Nov 16, 2020 City Commission Regular Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

THIS IS MONDAY, NOVEMBER 16TH. PLEASE STAND FOR THE OPENING PRAYER BY PASTOR CRAIG BRIDGES BY CROSSING COMMUNITY CHURCH.

>> APOLOGIZE FOR MY TARDINESS. YOU CHANGED THE TIME.

AND ETERNAL FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THE BUSINESS OF OUR CITY.

WE LOVE OUR CITY. WE LOVE OUR COUNTY AND WE HAVE GREAT RESPONSIBILITY AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND LEADERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. GIVE US DIRECTION AS WE DO THE VERY BEST WE CAN WITHIN OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING AND WISDOM BUT FOR ALL PEOPLE OF OUR CITY, OUR COUNTY AND I ASK THIS IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, THE SON AND HOLY SPIRIT.

AMEN AND AMEN.

>> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> PRESENT. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> IN PERSON. >> IN PERSON.

>> JEREMIAH JOHNSON? >> PRESENT.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> PRESENT.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSION. >> FIRST AGENDA, NOVEMBER 2ND

2020 >> MAY COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> PER ROBENA SESSIONS? >> YES, MA'AM.

[a. Proclamation and Special Recognition for Commissioner Reginald Sessions]

>> AND NOW WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND A SPECIAL RECOGNITION FOR COMMISSIONER REGGIE SESSIONS.

COMMISSIONER I THINK YOU HAVE A PROCLAMATION DOWN HERE.

IF YOU WANT TO COME DOWN TO THE FRONT, I'LL READ THAT AND THE MAYOR HAS A SPECIAL PRESENTATION.

>> WE COME DOWN THIS. >> TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE.

>> TO THE PODIUM. >> WHEREAS, REGGIE SESSION, EARNED HIS BACHELOR OF SCIENCE FROM FLORIDA ELECTRICAL ENGINEERING AND RECEIVED HIS DOCTORATE IN BATTON ROUGE LOUISIANA. AND WHEREAS AT AGE 27 IN 1994, REGGIE SESSIONS WAS THE YOUNGEST ELECTED CITY COMMISSIONER IN FORT PIERCE HISTORY. AND AS WHEREAS COMMISSION SESSIONS IS THE MEMBER OF FLORIDA BAR AND ACTIVE MEMBER OF GREATER PRESENT PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH, WHERE HE SERVES AS CHOIR DIRECTOR. HE'S ALSO A FORMER PROFESSOR OF LAW IN BETHUN UNIVERSITY. AND HAS SERVED AS A MEMBER OF MULTIPLE CITY AND COUNTY BOARDS, INCLUDING THE RETIREMENT BOARD, LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET, ST. LOUIS PLANNING ORGANIZATION, THE SUN RISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD, TREASURY RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY AND ST. LUCIE FIRE BOARD.

WHEREAS REGGIE SESSIONS HAS COMMITTED TO HIS RESPONSIBILITIES DURING HIS YEARS OF SERVICE AS CITY COMMISSIONER INSURING THE RESOURCES AND NECESSARY SUPPORT FOR CITY RESIDENTS TO ACHIEVE A GREATER QUALITY OF LIFE.

I DO HEAR BY ISSUE THIS PROCLAMATION IN HONOR OF REGGIE SESSIONS IN EXTEND HEART FELT APPRECIATION FOR HIS 20 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE AND BEST WISHES TO HIS CONTINUED SUCCESS AND HIS FUTURE ENDEAVORS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE KEY TO THE CITY.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

IS IT REAL GOLD? >> SURE.

>> I WILL AS WOOD. IT'S BEEN A PRIVILEGE AS WELL AS AN HONOR TO SERVE AS CITY COMMISSIONER OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I HAVE SPENT PRACTICALLY MY WHOLE ENTIRE ADULT LIFE IN THE CAPACITY OF CITY COMMISSIONER OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND I MUST SAY IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY ENJOYABLE. IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE AND IT'S

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AND YOU WILL TAKE SOME BLOWS FROM TIME TO TIME AND YOU WILL CATCH SOME BRUISES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU DON'T, THAT MEANS YOU'RE NOT PLAYING ENOUGH OFFENSE AND YOU'RE NOT DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, AND THAT'S WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS ELECTED YOU TO MAKE CHANGE IT COMES WITH THE TURF. IT'S LIKE FOOTBALL.

IT'S LIKE BOXING, BUT WHEN YOU GET KNOCKED DOWN, YOU GET BACK UP. AND YOU GET UP WITH THE DESIRE TO EVEN ACHIEVE AND DO EVEN BETTER THAN YOU WERE IN THE PAST AND WHAT YOU HAD DONE AND YOU LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES OF GETTING KNOCKED DOWN. IT'S A LEARNING PROCESS, IT'S NOT A LOSS. AND THAT'S BEEN FOR THE MOST PART HOW I'VE TRIED TO DO THINGS, SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE. AND I TELL YOU, AS YOU GO ALONG SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY.

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, IF YOU DO WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, YOU WILL GET ENEMIES. AND WHAT YOU GOT TO DO, THOUGH, IS MAKE THE ENEMIES YOUR FOOT STOOL.

AND MAKE A SUCCESS STORY EVEN OUT OF WHAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH AND MOVE ON FROM THERE AND STAY FOCUSED ON WHAT YOU ARE THERE FOR, AND THAT IS TO MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR THOSE THAT HAVE ELECTED YOU. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK A HOST OF PEOPLE TONIGHT THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ME THROUGHOUT MY CAREER FROM THE BEGINNING, UP TO NOW AND, YOU KNOW, I HAD A LIST.

MY MOTHER ALWAYS TOLD ME, YOU GET YOURSELF IN TROUBLE WHEN YOU START THINKING, THE WHOLE LIST OF PEOPLE.

YOU ALWAYS LEAVE SOMEBODY OUT. BUT I DID SEE A COUPLE OF THEM, IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. I THINK I SAW RAKE REED AND I WOULD BE REMISSED IF I DIDN'T SAY MY APPRECIATION, BECAUSE THEY ARE ON THIS LIST AND EXPRESSED THEM MY APPRECIATION FOR THEM SUPPORTING ME AND THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ME IN THE LONG HAUL. FOR THOSE THAT I WON'T BOTHER TO READ OUT TONIGHT, I WILL SEND THEM SOMETHING SHOWING MY APPRECIATION. BUT YOU KNOW ONE THING ABOUT THIS LIST IS THAT YOU GOT ELDERLY PEOPLE ON HERE.

YOU GOT YOUNG PEOPLE. YOU HAVE BLACK PEOPLE.

YOU GOT WHITE PEOPLE. YOU GOT REPUBLICANS AND I GOT DEMOCRATS AND I GOT PEOPLE IN THE ISLAND AND I GOT PEOPLE IN THE MAINLAND AND I HAVE PEOPLE ON HERE THAT PROBABLY ARE A LITTLE BETTER FINANCIALLY THAN OTHERS.

AND THEY ARE VERSATILE. ONE THING THEY HAVE IN COMMON, AND THAT'S WHY THEY SUPPORTED ME, THEY HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY INVOLVED AND THEY WOULD DO WHAT THEY CAN AND THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR ME AND I APPRECIATE THEM DOING THAT. AGAIN, THESE 20 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE, IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THROUGHOUT THE 20 YEARS I'VE LOST ABOUT THREE OR FOUR ELECTIONS AND WHAT I WOULD DO, I WOULD GO BACK IN THE CORNER AND POUT. I COULDN'T EAT FOR TWO DAYS.

I COULDN'T SLEEP FOR TWO DAYS AND I WILL BE ALL UPSET BUT THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS ONE.

WHEN I LOST THAT ELECTION THE LAST NOVEMBER THE 3RD, I WENT HOME AND WENT TO SLEEP FOR TWO DAYS.

AND I FELT THE BURDEN OFF OF ME BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, I UNDERSTAND, AS MY MOTHER TOLD ME, THE NIGHT OF THE ELECTION, SHE SAYS, I CALLED HER, I SAID, MOM, I LOST.

SHE WANTED TO BE HERE TONIGHT BUT I'M GLAD SHE DIDN'T COME BECAUSE SHE WOULD PROBABLY TAKE THE MICROPHONE FROM ME.

SHE'S THAT TYPE OF WOMAN. BUT I SAID, MOM, I LOST.

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SHE SAID, THANK GOD. I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? I'VE BEEN PRAYING THAT YOU LOSE. WHAT WENT TO MY MOMS, WHAT, WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? SHE SAID, SON, SHE SAYS IT'S TIME. SHE SAYS THAT WHAT HAPPENED WAS IN THE WILL OF GOD. I SAID, MOM, I DID THIS.

I DIDN'T DO THIS RIGHT. >> I SAID, NO, NO, NO, NO.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT HAPPENED.

GOD IS IN CONTROL AND HE MAKES NO MISTAKES.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S GOING TO BE A BLESSING.

BECAUSE WHEN HE CLOSES ONE DOOR, HE OPEN UP A WINDOW.

AND YOU KNOW, I, I HEARD HER AND I LISTENED TO HER AND THAT HAD A LOT TO DO WITH MY WHOLE APPROACH ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ELECTION BECAUSE I WASN'T POUTING, I WASN'T UPSET.

LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I'M SOMEWHAT RELIEVED.

AND I LOOK BACK AT MY HISTORY AND WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING AND SHUFFLING BACK AND FORTH, THE COURT, BACK AND FOR THE AND THE JUDGE IS LOOKING FOR ME AND IN CITY MEETINGS AND LOOKING FOR ME, THROW ME IN JAIL. AND THEN, AGAIN, I TAKE THAT BACK. IT STARTED OUT THAT WAY BUT I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH AND BLESSED ENOUGH AND A LOT OF LAWYERS, HE GETS FAVORITISM. I'M LATE OVER HERE.

I'M TRYING TO BE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

IT'S TIME TO CONCENTRATE. WHEN YOU PRACTICE, AND I BELIEVE YOU GOT ANOTHER CALL. AND SO WHATEVER IT IS THE LORD HAS FOR ME IS FOR ME BUT WHAT I COULD ASSURE YOU OF, MY MOM WANTS ME TO GIVE IT ALTOGETHER. I'M GOING TO BE HARD-HEADED.

I WILL BE BACK. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, AS THE CITY MANAGER AND I TALKED THE OTHER DAY, YOU PROBABLY WILL BE MORE DANGEROUS ON THIS SIDE, THAN I AM THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF DANGEROUS WAS THE CHOICE OF WORDS. IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE.

I WILL BE BACK. WHEN I LEAVE TONIGHT, I WILL LEAVE PROBABLY IN THE MOST PROUDEST MOMENTS.

WHEN I LOOK AT WHERE I STARTED, SEEING THE PORT, THAT WAS MY MAIN OBJECTIVE, SEE THE FORT PIERCE COME INTO FRU WIGS.

WHAT I SEE OUT THERE, IS A PROUD MOMENT.

I'M GLAD THAT IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING, BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE INVOLVED IN ONE OF THE MOST, ONE OF THE WORST TRAGIC THINGS IN OUR LIFETIME.

AND THAT'S THE PANDEMIC. AND YOU ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY, NOT TO GET THE POLITICS INVOLVED, AS I'VE DONE IN SO MANY OCCASIONS, EXPRESSED AND TRIED TO MAKE CHANGES BECAUSE MY INTEREST WAS TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE.

SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE SO MANY ISSUES.

MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT. RACISM EXISTS.

PANDEMIC, IT EXISTS. AND AS I LOOK OVER TO MY RIGHT THERE, COMMISSIONER PERONA, I WOULD SAY I'M PROUD OF YOU AND SOME OF THE CHANGES YOU'VE MADE IN YOUR DISPOSITION AND ATTITUDE TOWARDS VOTING. NOT JUST WISHES.

WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND BE IN ONE ACCORD.

AGAIN, YOU ALL WILL BE SEEING ME.

COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, WE CAN GO FISHING NOW.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE YOU ALONE.

I WILL BE HERE. WE CAN CALL.

YOU COULD CALL ME. WE CAN TALK.

TALK ABOUT THINGS. WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT VIOLATING THE SUNSHINE. I'M NOT GOING TO LEAVE YOU ALONE. I JUST PRAY AND TRUST, THAT THE REST OF YOU WILL ALLOW GOD TO USE YOU AND MOVE YOU AND BE WHAT THE OFFICE IS ALL ABOUT. THAT IS BEING A SERVANT.

GOD GIVES GLORY TO THE SERVANTS. PEOPLE IN THE BIBLE TELLS YOU THAT. SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO WORK AND PLEASE WORK FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE THAT YOU ELECT.

AND AS I LEAVE, I KNOW I'M KIND OF LONG WINDED TONIGHT, BUT IT WILL BE AWHILE AGAIN, BUT IT'S A VERY, VERY PROUD MOMENT.

I'M HAPPY. I'M GOING TO CALL MY FRIEND, RON

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I HOPE YOU ALL TAKE CARE OF THE BILL.

I'LL BE GIVING TO THE CITY MANAGER, ETHICS COMPLAINT.

BUT AT ANY RATE, GOD'S BLESSINGS TO EACH OF YOU AND I WISH YOU WELL. YOU'LL BE SEEING ME AGAIN.

THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION, RECOGNIZING

[b. National American Indian Heritage Month Proclamation being received by Betty Nevers. ]

I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEBODY HERE TO ACCEPT THIS.

SORRY. >> IF YOU WOULD COME FORWARD, MR. AND MS. NEVERS, PLEASE. COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM, IF

YOU WOULD PLEASE. >> I WILL READ YOUR

PROCLAMATION. >> WHEREAS THE HISTORY AND CULTURE OF THE GREAT NATION HAS SIGNIFICANTLY BEEN INFLUENCED BY AMERICAN INDIANS AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE.

AND THE CONTRIBUTION OF AMERICAN INDIANS, EN HABSED THE FREEDOM AND PROSPERITY AND GREATNESS OF AMERICA TODAY.

WHEREAS THEIR CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS ARE CELEBRATED AS PART OF THE RICH LEGACY THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND WHEREAS NATIVE AMERICAN AWARENESS WEEK BEGAN IN 1976 AND RECOGNITION WAS EXPANDED BY CONGRESS AND APPROVED BY PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH IN AUGUST OF 1990, DESIGNATING THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER AS NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE MONTH.

AND WHEREAS IN HONOR OF NATIONAL AMERICAN INDIAN HERITAGE, COMMUNITY AND HISTORICAL ACTIVITIES HAVE BEEN PLANNED.

AND NOW THEREFORE, I LINDY HUDSON, MAYOR OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA DO BY DECLARE NOVEMBER 2020, NATIONAL HERITAGE MONTH AND URGE OUR CITIZENS TO OBSERVE THIS MONTH WITH APPROPRIATE PROGRAMS, CEREMONIES AND ACTIVITIES.

>> CONGRATULATIONS MS. NEVERS. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. AND I'M VERY NERVOUS.

CO-CHAIR OF THE NATIONAL CHAPTER DOCTORS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. EACH YEAR OUR CHAPTER JOINS WITH OTHER D.A. THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, TO CELEBRATE NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH IN NOVEMBER.

THIS PROCLAMATION ACKNOWLEDGES THAT NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE GIVEN MORE TO THIS AREA THAN JUST THEIR NAMES.

THEY HAVE HELPED CREATE THIS COUNTRY.

IN RECOGNITION OF THESE CONTRIBUTIONS -- GIVES BACK THROUGH SUPPORT OF BECOME MARRIAGE, CAMALA INDIAN HIGH SCHOOL, AMERICAN INDIAN YOUTH SUMMER PROGRAM AND SCHOLARSHIPS.

THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR ISSUING THIS PROCLAMATION IN CELEBRATING THE AMERICAN INDIAN AND INDIGENOUS PEOPLE CONTRIBUTION.

IT'S MY HONOR TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF CORE

STIGMA HAPA CHAPTER. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO, MS. NEVERS.

THANK YOU.

[8. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS Any person who wishes to comment on an agenda item which is not under Public Hearings on the Agenda may be heard at this time and must sign up to speak in advance. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT

REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS. >> OKAY. WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YOU WILL GET A WARNING LIGHT AT 3 SECONDS AND SO YOU'LL NEED TO WIND UP PRETTY QUICKLY AND SO I AM GOING TO START WITH SHIRLEY AND DARRYL GIBSON. I PRESUME ONE PERSON WILL SPEAK.

I DON'T KNOW IF BOTH OF YOU WILL SPEAK.

IF YOU ARE, IT'S STILL THREE MINUTES.

>> WELCOME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

MY NAME IS SHIRLEY GIBSON. I'M A REPRESENTATIVE --

>> YOUR ADDRESS, PLEASE, STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> ADDRESS IS 424 NORTH 29TH STREET.

I AM HERE REPRESENTING THE GIBSON FAMILY.

MOTHER OF BERNIS GIBSON WAS BORN IN FLORIDA.

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OUR PARENTS HAD EIGHT CHILDREN. ONE SON, MY BROTHER, JAMES GIBSON, JR. WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL FLORIDA HIGHWAYMAN.

MY PARENTS HAVE BEEN A PILLAR OF THIS COMMUNITY THROUGH THIS NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. THEY HAVE DONE A LOT OF NON-PROFIT WORK. SINCE THEIR TRANSITION, MY DAD TRANSITIONED AT 95 1/2-YEAR-OLD. AND MY MOTHER IS 78.

MOTHER BERNIS GIBSON SCHOLARSHIP HAS BEEN GIVING SCHOLARSHIPS TO DESERVING STUDENTS AND ADULTS FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

JC MISSION OF HOPE GIVES FOOD AND CLOTHING ET CETERA TO THE NEEDY. DURING ALL THESE YEARS THAT MOTHER BERNIS SCHOLARSHIP, WE NEVER RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE CITY OR THE STATE. OUR MOTHER WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING A PETITION FOR A TRAFFIC LIGHT ON 29TH STREET AND AVENUE D, WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW. WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE STREET NAME BE SHARED.

AVENUE D AND 29TH STREET SOUTH BE NAMED AFTER MY MOTHER AND FATHER, JCB. GIBSON DRIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME IN THIS MATTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ASHLEY PIEFTSTER.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. NICE TO SEE MY FRIENDS UP THERE AND SORRY TO BE NOT SEEING AS MUCH OF YOU COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE.

MY NAME IS ASHTON DEPIEFTSISTER. I OWN 601 SEA WIND DRIVE, WHICH IS A VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROPERTY, DISCUSSED BY THE WESTERN PENINSULA SURETTE. I'VE BEEN A TAXPAYER FOR OVER 25 YEARS, ALTHOUGH I LIVE IN WEST PALM BEACH.

I THINK IT'S EIGHT OR NINE YEARS, SINCE THE COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTED THE SEWER PLANT SURETTE REPORT.

I AM HERE TO SAY, I'M STILL WAITING AND HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE VISION OF DEVELOPING MY PROPERTY TOGETHER WITH THE SEWER PLANT SITE. I SUGGEST THAT YOU PROCEED IN BOTH TRACKS, ENGAGE WITH EQUALIA AND PREPARE TO HAVE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS. I'VE BEEN TALKING TO EQUALIA FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND THEY TELL ME THEY ARE WILLING TO BUILD A NEWER SEWER PLANT AND FIX ALL THE PIPES AT ZERO COST TO THE CIY. THEY WANT IN RETURN TO OPERATE THE SEWER PIPE FOR 20 YEARS. THEY WILL PRESERVE THE JOBS OF FPUA WORKERS AND WOULD NOT RAISE RATES MORE THAN INFLATION.

EQUALIA IS A HUGE COMPANY, AMONG THE TEN WATER COMPANIES IN THE WORLD. THEY ARE CAPABLE OF MAKING A HUGE DEPOSIT TO INSURE THE PERFORMANCE.

THEY FEEL THAT FORT PIERCE IS NOT FULLY ENGAGED WITH THEM AFTER SEVERAL YEARS OF APPROACHING THE CITY.

I BELIEVE YOU WILL BE MAKING A MISTAKE IF YOU ENTRUST FUTURE PROGRESS TO THE FORT PIERCE UTILITY AUTHORITY.

WE HAVE TRIED THAT SINCE BEFORE I ARRIVED IN 1995.

THEY SEEM DISINCLINED TO MOVE THE PLANT.

I'M TOLD OVER THE YEARS, THEY'VE VASTLY EXAGGERATED THE COST OF MOVING THE PLANT AND MINIMIZE, ABOUT THE MANY SEWER SPILLS.

I RECOMMEND THAT YOU GET A BLUE RIBBON PANEL.

THAT YOU SUGGEST BROOK TURNONING, COURT LUCY WATER PLANT. HE'S WILLING TO SERVE FOR FREE BUT NOT IN AN ENDLESS BUREAUCRATIC THING.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE FORMER HEAD OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD A PANEL THAT, I THINK, WASTED TWO YEARS, INCLUDED A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE FPUA. AND IN THE FIRST MEETING, SHE SAID SHE WAS NOT ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT MOVING IT AND SUGGESTED MEETING ONE HOUR A MONTH. I THINK BUSH, COULD PROVIDE YOU RESULTS. I COULD GIVE YOU OTHER NAMES WHO ARE INVOLVED IN SUCCESSFULLY. AND I DON'T THINK THIS HAS BEEN

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU. >> DON TAMPIT.

>> DON TAMPIT. 206 SOUTH SIXTH STREET.

THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU JUST HEARD.

I'M HERE TO COMMENT ON AGENDA ITEM 13A, WHICH IS SOLICITATION FOR WASTE WATER PLANT. I STRONGLY NOT RECOMMEND YOU ACCEPT ANY UNSOLICITED BIDS RELATED TO WASTE WATER PLANTS NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF PREPARING FOR THE JOINT CITY FPUA COUNTY MEETING ON THE WASTE WATER PLANT RELOCATION, WHICH WILL BE SCHEDULED IN DECEMBER.

THE UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL IS FOR A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY IN CONSIDERATION AS AN OPTION FOR RELOCATING THE FPUA OFF THE ISLAND.

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE CITY SHOULD NOT ACCEPT ANY PROPOSALS CURRENTLY RAN BY FPUA. THE CLEAR ARTICLE OF THE CHARTER, AND I QUOTE, THE AUTHORITY SHALL HAVE EXCLUSIVE JURISDICTION, CONTROL AND MANAGEMENT OF THE UTILITIES OF CITY AND ALL ITS OPERATIONS AND FACILITIES.

ANY DECISIONS YOU MAKE ON THE PROPOSAL ARE NONBINDING TO FPUA AND WE WILL NOT SUPPORT EVALUATION OF THE PROPOSAL.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> EVA ARNEZ. >> WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, AND PEOPLE FROM FORT PIERCE. MY NAME IS EVA ARNEZ.

AND REPRESENTING EQUALIA. AND WHILE FIRST THING I WANT TO QUALIFY, WE HAVE NOT PRESENTED ANY ANSWERS TO THE CITY PROPOSAL YET BUT WE'RE WILLING TO DO SO. AND EQUALIA IS A WATER COMPANY.

WE'RE THE FOURTH WATER COMPANY IN EUROPE, IN TERMS OF THE WORLD, IN TERMS OF POPULATION. WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS TO PROVIDE A SOLUTION THAT THE CITY DESERVE FOR THEIR SEWER TREATMENT. AND IN OUR CITY PROPOSAL, WE WANT TO INCLUDE FINANCING, DESIGN, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF THE WATERS OF THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

WE'RE WILLING TO COLABRATE WITH THE CITY AND COLLABORATE WITH THE FPUA. I THINK WE'RE THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROPOSAL. THIS WOULD BE A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. IT WOULD BE A COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY, WHERE WE PROVIDE OUR FINANCE BUT THE CITY WILL BE THE OWNER OF THE PLANT, CONTROLLING THE PLANT.

THE CITY WILL BE THE ULTIMATE BENEFICIAL PEOPLE OF THE NEW INSTALLATION. AND WE ALWAYS DESIGN LOOKING TO SUSTAINABILITY, LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.

WE WILL TRY TO MAKE IT AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE SO, I MEAN, WE CAN'T REUSE THE WATER AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE WATER RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, SO YOU COULD REDUCE THAT AND YOU HAVE MORE RESOURCES FOR THE FUTURE AND FOR THE NEW PEOPLE COMING TO FORT PIERCE AND THE FUTURE KIDS.

SO I REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU, ONCE WE PRESENT IT, BECAUSE THERE'S MANY THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GOOD COLLABORATION WITH FPUA, TO DELIVER THE PRODUCT THE CITY DESERVES, BECAUSE THEY KNOW, HOW THE INSTALLATION IS RIGHT NOW.

THEY KNOW THE PIPES. THEY KNOW WHAT THE CITY NEEDS AND THEY KNOW HOW MUCH WATER, WHAT WATER THEY ARE RECEIVING.

THERE'S INFORMATION THAT I NEED TO SHARE WITH THEM OR THEY NEED TO SHARE WITH ME TO PRESENT THE BEST AND MOST COST-EFFECTIVE PROPOSAL AND THEY REALIZE TO TRY TO NOT INCREASE THE RATES, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE TO DECIDE, ONCE WE MAKE OUR NUMBERS, FINANCIALS AND EVERYTHING.

IF IT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY, WE ARE HAPPY TO SERVE THE CITY AND PROVIDE A GREAT SOLUTION. I HOPE YOU, ONCE WE PRESENT IT, I HOPE YOU ACCEPT IT AND READ IT.

IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

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>> THIS IS FROM CHARLIE HIGHBACK, FROM 1111 FRONT READER STREET. ALL OF US WITH UNRESOLVED ITEMS IN THE CITY, IT'S INTERESTING THAT COMMISSIONER SESSIONS IS RAISING AN ISSUE THAT WAS RESOLVED IN 7/13/2020.

IN THE MEETING, IN THE POLICE AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE CITY WAS EFFICIENT AND RECOMMENDED, TO RECOMMEND TOUR OF DUTY.

OTHERWISE THE POLICY CONTAINED ALL THE NECESSARY PROTOCOLS TO INSURE THE OFFICERS WERE FOLLOWING POLICE GUIDELINES.

FURTHERMORE, THE DOCUMENT SENT BY EXXON INDUSTRIES, IT WAS NOTED THE BOOEDY CAMERAS USERS OF THE PRODUCT.ED BY THE - TAT MEANS, NO PORTION OF THE VIDEO COULD BE ALTERED, DELETED, CHANGED OR MODIFIED IN ANYWAY WHILE IN CONTROL OF THE OFFICERS. AS THE COMMITTEE DECIDED THAT THE CURRENT POLICY OF HAVING AN OFFICER DOWNLOAD THE INFORMATION, BY END OF TOUR OF DUTY, WAS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT.

ANY FURTHER RESTRICTION WOULD RESULT AS LOSS OF MORALE BY THE OFFICERS, AT A TIME BY MORALE CAUSED BY ALL-TIME LOW.

AND AT THE CLOSE, THE COMMISSION DISCUSSED THE ISSUE.

WE'RE SATISFIED WITH THE CURRENT POLICY AND STATEMENT BY EXXON WERE MORE THAN ADEQUATE TO INSURE THAT THE CAMERAS WOULD NOT BE COMPROMISED, VOTED TO NOT PUT THE ISSUE IN CITY COMMISSIONER AGENDA. UNLESS, MR. SESSIONS COULD ADD TO THE DISCUSSION, THIS DECISION SHOULD BE CONSIDERED CLOSED.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THAT COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT.

[9. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

>>> NEXT WE MOVE ON TO ADDITIONS OR DELEAGUESES TO THE AJTD DA

AND APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. >> SIR, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS. IF NOT, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> ON ITEM 13B, I DIDN'T SEE AN ATTACHMENT TO THE AGENDA ITEM. IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BODY WORN CAMERAS. ARE WE CHANGING THE POLICY? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE ITEM?

>> THERE'S NO BACKUP FOR ITEM 13B.

>> ARE YOU ASKING ME. >> SIR, YES, SIR

>> I HAVE A LITTLE INFORMATION HERE.

I WANT TO SHOW IT TO YOU. >> YOU COULD MOVE YOUR MICROPHONE CLOSER TO YOU, COMMISSIONER, PLEASE.

>> QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT ITEMS. MY RESPONSE WAS I HAVE A LIST OF INFORMATION HERE THAT I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU WITH REGARDS TO THE MATTER.

OKAY. MATTER OF FACT, IN THE LETTER, THERE WAS SOME INDICATION THAT KIND OF INTERESTING, WHOEVER WROTE THAT LETTER THERE, ABOUT NEW ITEMS THAT HE FELT THAT IT SHOULD BE CLOSED BUT AT ANY RATE, I HAVE NEW INFORMATION.

>> MADAM MAYOR, POINT OF ORDER, I THOUGHT WE WAS ON THE CONSENT

AGENDA. >> NO, WE WERE ON ADDITIONS AND DEL DELETIONS ON THE AGENDA.

>> LAST TIME WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD, COUPLE OF US WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION WE WERE GOING TO GET THE ITEM TO REVIEW BEFORE WE DID ANYTHING WITH IT. IS TONIGHT JUST A PRESENTATION WITH A DOCUMENT -- BECAUSE NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON ANYTHING. SO -- OKAY. WE HAVE LIKE A RED MARK LINED ITEM REVIEW OF THE BODY WORN CAMERA POLICY.

>> WHAT I'M GOING TO DO COMMISSIONER, I WILL PRESENT YOU WITH INFORMATION, WITH REGARDS TO THE BODY WORN CAMERAS.

IT'S NOT AN ITEM TO BE VOTED ON. THAT'S A DECISION THAT YOU COULD MAKE, IF NEED BE. TORE YOUR INFORMATION, I WILL GIVE YOU THIS, IN REVIEW OF THE ISSUES, I CAME UP WITH SINCE WE WERE HERE BEFORE AFTER A REQUEST OF DOCUMENTATION FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FROM THE LAST MEETING, I FOUND INFORMATION, THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO KNOW, THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED.

I'M GOING TO DO THAT, IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION.

AT ANY LATER DATE, IF YOU DECIDE, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS VOTE ON IT, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

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IT'S NOT FOR VOTING ON. >> DID WE HAVE A SECOND.

>> CALL THE ROLL? >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> YES, MAM. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

[a. Presentation of Fort Pierce Youth Council Recommendations]

> YES. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE THE YOUTH

COMMISSIONS. >> MR. SWEAT, YOU HAVE THE LEAD

IN? >> I HAVE A SHORT LEAD IN.

>> MY NAME IS LASHUANNA FRANKLIN.

>> I'M BRI KAZZEN. >> NIA MORRISSON.

>> I'M LIDA MOORE. >> I'M LEEIA JOHNSON AND THE CHAIR OF THE YOUTH COUNCIL AND WE'RE HERE TO PRESENT, TO SHARE

OUR PRESENTATION. >> WELCOME.

>> OUR MISSION, IS TO PROVIDE LOCAL YOUTH WITH THE EXPERIENCE OF WORKING WITH CITY GOVERNMENT WHILE OBTAINING A SENSE OF CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL AS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP AND DEMONSTRATE LEADERSHIP SKILLS. COLLECTIVELY WE PUT TOGETHER OUR GOALS AND OUR THREE MAIN GOALS WERE TO PROMOTE, CONNECT AND ENGAGE WITH OTHER YOUTH, PROMOTE SAFETY AND ENGAGE IN CIVIC EDUCATION WITH OTHER ADULTS. WHEN PROMOTING, WE TALKED ABOUT YOUTH SAFETY AND HEALTH. WE TALKED ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH, PHYSICAL HEALTH, AND MENTAL SAFETY, PHYSICAL SAFETY AT SCHOOL. THESE INCLUDED MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS AND IDEAS TO ENCOURAGE MEANTLE A HEALTH PROGRAMS AND TO MAKE KIDS FEEL SAFE. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT COVID RELIEF AND ASSISTANCE, FOR TEACHERS AND STUDENTS.

WHETHER THAT'S WEARS MASKS AND TRYING TO KEEP OUR SCHOOL SAFER FOR THE KIDS WE TALKED ABOUT SOME BULLYING PREVENTION. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF ON-LINE BULLYING SINCE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN ON-LINE.

AND WE WANT TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA TO COMBAT THE BULLYING AND MAKE KIDS FEEL SAFER IN A SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT.

NEXT, WE TALKED ABOUT WAYS TO CONNECT THE YOUTH WITH OTHER KIDS AND SCHOOLS. OUR FIRST IDEA WAS TO CONNECT THEM THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA. WE'RE WORKING ON STARTING A FACEBOOK PAGE TO GET MORE WORD OUT AND ALSO AN INSTAGRAM PAGE TO GO ALONG WITH THE INSTAGRAM PAGE, SO KIDS AN ADULTS COULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE -- WHAT EVENTS ARE GOING ON AND HOW THEY CAN GET INVOLVED. WE WOULD LIKE TO CONNECT WITH SCHOOLS THAT'S GOING TO BE POSTING LETTERS THROUGH THE SCHOOL, SENDING OUT SCHOOL E-MAILS AND OTHER WAYS TO GET THE WORD OUT ON WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE ALSO WANT TO CONNECT WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS. WE HAVE SO MANY GREAT PARTNERS, REC CENTER, PAL, THE FOOTBALL LEAGUE WE STARTED IN FORT PIERCE AND ANY OTHER WAYS THAT STUDENTS COULD CONNECT WITH EACH OTHER.

WE WANT TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE ALSO.

>> YOU'RE DOING GOOD. >> VERY GOOD.

>> THE NEXT THING WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ENGAGE THE YOUTH.

GET OUR BASE, AND ENGAGE THEM WITH ADULTS.

OUR MISSION STATEMENT, I TALKED ABOUT THE CIVIC ENGAGEMENT WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THAT IS, I BELIEVE A BIG PART.

IN ENGAGING THEM, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE GOVERNMENT IS BEING -- AND ENGAGE THE YOUTH WITH EVENTS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THEN POSSIBLY INTERNSHIPS, I BELIEVE.

SHE'S ON AN INTERNSHIP RIGHT NOW, BUT TO BRIDGE THE GAP BETWEEN THE ADULTS AND THE CITY AND THE YOUTH.

OUR UPCOMING EVENTS, WE HAVE A CHRISTMAS DINNER DRIVE THROUGH.

THERE'S A THANKSGIVING ONE GOING ON.

LATER THIS MONTH AND WE'VE DECIDED TO TAKE ON THE CHRISTMAS. WE ARE GOING TO BE PACKAGING THE

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I BELIEVE PERCY PEEK IS THE LOCATION WE DECIDED ON.

WE PUSHED THE TEACHER GIVEAWAY TO NEXT YEAR.

IT'S GOING TO BE SUPPLIES FOR THE TEACHERS AND THEN ESSENTIALLY THEY WILL BE ALSO, LETTING THE KIDS USE THEM.

IT'S LIKE A, THEY GET TO DECIDE HOW THEY USE THEM.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE 2021 SCHOOL YEAR. AND THEN WE HAVE DECIDED TO GET INVOLVED IN MORE YOUTH CONFERENCES TO CONNECT WITH OTHER YOUTH COUNSELORS AND SEE WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND GET -- SHARE IDEAS TO MAKE OUR CITY A BETTER PLACE.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> WELL, THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY VERY, VERY INFORMATIVE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE TEACHER GIVEAWAY. I THINK IT'SLE ARE REALLY NICE TO APPRECIATE THE TEACHERS. ANYBODY ELSE.

>> ANYBODY ELSE INTRODUCED THEMSELVES?

>> I THINK THEY DID. IT'S HARD TO HEAR THEIR NAMES.

>> WHEN WE FIRST PUT THE YOUTH COUNCIL TOGETHER, WE FIGURED WE WOULD ORGANIZE A BUNCH OF THE YOUTH COMMUNITY.

SO THEY WILL GET A TASTE ON WHAT'S GOING ON AND HELP TWEAK WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. SINCE THEN, THE WHOLE WORLD CHANGED. WHAT YOU'RE WORKING ON NOW, HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, SO I THINK IT'S VERY COOL.

WE DEPEND ON YOU MORE. WE'RE HAPPY YOU ARE THERE.

YOU'RE OUR VOICES AND EYES AND EARS AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY. YOUR JOB HAS BEEN ELEVATED TO A MOST IMPORTANT TIME AND PLACE SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE NEVER THOUGHT THIS IS HOW IT WOULD DEVELOP BUT YOUR MISSION HAS GOTTEN MORE, MUCH MORE DIFFICULT AND MUCH MORE INTENSE AND WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR EFFORTS.

>> MADAM. >> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER.

>> AND MY QUESTION, ARE YOU ALL GETTING CREDIT IN SCHOOL?

I MEAN, THIS IS -- >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

I DIDN'T KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT GRADES YOU ARE ALL, MAY BE SENIORS BUT YOU ALL GET CREDIT? IF NOT, WE NEED TO CHECK ON THAT,.

>> OF COURSE, I HAVE A SPECIAL ONE, OUT THERE SPEAKING TONIGHT, SO YOU DID WELL. ONE THING, WE TALKED ABOUT AS A COMMISSION, AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME, HOW TO CONNECT YOUTH. YOU MENTIONED IT OVER AND OVER IN YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT WAYS AND CONNECTING, AND WE DECIDED TO START THIS COUNCIL.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

HOW DO WE EVEN GET YOU SIX IN FRONT OF US TO TALK TO US AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR LIVES AND WHAT YOU EXPERIENCE? WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO CONNECT.

NOW YOU'VE BLOSSOMED TO OTHER IDEAS AND YOU'RE TAKING ON THAT CHALLENGE AND YOU'RE DOING IT IN A WAY BETTER FASHION THAN WE CAN EVER DREAM OF WAS SOCIAL MEDIA AND GETTING CONNECTED WITH YOUR CLASSMATES AND PEERS. GOOD JOB.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

I'M JUST GLAD, YOU PUT YOUR NAME THERE TO BE NOMINATED

>> WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK. UP WITH OF THE THINGS YOU EARN.

>> YOUR CITY HAS A SPECIAL ROLE. TAEGS DIFFERENT THAN THE COUNTY AND IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE STATE.

THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO KNOW, TOO, THAT EVERYBODY IS KIND OF STAYS IN THEIR LANE, BECAUSE CITIES PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND STATES MAKE LAWS AND SO, IT REALLY IS FURTHERING, YOUR CIVIC EDUCATION, BY YOU BEING A PART OF THIS.

AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR YOU AND YOUR IDEAS, ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US.

SO WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> HATS OFF TO YOU ALL. WORDS OF ENCOURAEMENT.

I LOVE THE PRESENTATION AND I LOVE TO SEE A DIVERSE CROWD.

I DON'T KNOW WE DIDN'T GET ANY MEN INVOLVED BUT I LOVE SEEING

THIS DIVERSE CROWD. >> THEY GIVE ME A HARD TIME.

>> THE ONLY THING MISSING, I GUESS.

BUT WE MAY HAVE THE NEXT FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT.

>> YES. >> WOMAN GOVERNOR, STATE OF FLORIDA. BUT AS IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU ALREADY, WE HAVE AN IS INNING ELEMENT.

THAT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO KNOW WHAT'S ON THE YOUNG PEOPLE'S MINDS, BUT WE MAKE DECISIONS THAT IMPACT FOR YOU ALL.

[00:45:01]

LOCAL GOVERNMENT, IN AND OF ITSELF, I ALWAYS SAID, HAS A GREAT IMPACT IN STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE. YOU LIVE HERE AND THESE PEOPLE ARE ELECTED BY YOU ALL. NOW YOU ALL ARE REPUTATION OF US. YOU'RE ANALOGY.

AND YOU MEET AND MAKE THE DECISIONS.

THE DECISIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD.

I WON'T BE HERE. THE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD. AND OUR HOPE THAT THEY WILL TAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL OUT THERE, YOU ARE IN THE MAINSTREAM. THEY TALK ABOUT FORT PIERCE SO MUCH. WE HAVE A HIGH CRIME RATE, JUVENILE DELINQUENCY AND IT'S TRUE.

THAT'S WHY YOU ALL COULD PLAY A PART IN WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN TERMS OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE, YOUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THINGS THAT HAPPEN. BLACK LIVES MATTER, I SEE THAT YOUNG LEADER, BLACK LIVES MATTER MASKS.

THINGS ARE GOING ON IN AMERICA AND IT INVOLVES YOUNG PEOPLE.

YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE PART OF DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.

FORT PIERCE STANDS OUT. NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO, I ALWAYS HEAR SERVICEMEN, IN GERMANY, WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE FROM FORT PIERCE, YOU ALWAYS REMEMBER FORT PIERCE.

I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT, BE PROUD OF WHO YOU ARE, DO WHAT YOU CAN TO BETTER THE PLACE. YOU'RE ALL IN A POSITION WHERE YOU COULD MAKE DECISIONS TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

>> IF YOU WANT TO, SAY YOUR NAMES.

>> WE WANT TO REINSTATE OUR NAMES.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. MIA MORRISSON.

>> BRIA KAYSON. >> KATE CASY.

>> LEADER MOORE. >> LASHONEDA FRANKLIN.

>> AND I'M LEEIA JOHNSON. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[b. Renaming of North 29th Street]

RENAMING 29TH STREET >> ALL RIGHT.

WHO HAS THIS? YOU? OKAY. YOU GET -- MR. SWEAT.

>> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONER AND CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND PROVIDING AN UPDATE ON THE NORTH 29TH STREET RENAMING. OVERVIEW ON THE SCREEN.

THE COMMISSION WAS PRESENTED THE OPPORTUNITY TO RENAME NORTH 29TH STREET, TO HONOR FANNY LOU STODDARD.

AT THE REQUEST, CITY COMMISSIONER OF GAINING PUBLIC INPUT, THROUGH DIRECT MAIL OITS, ON-LINE SURVEY AND UTILIZING OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. FEEDBACK.

CITIZENS WERE ABLE TO CHOOSE FROM THREE OPTIONS.

TOTAL NAME CHANGE OF THE STREET SIGN, DUEL STREET SIGN AND NOT IN FAVOR AT ALL. WE RECEIVED 360 RESPONSES, FOR PUBLIC MAIL-IN. THE COMMUNITY WAS IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING A DUAL STREET SIGN WITH THREE VOTES ON THE ON-LINE SURVEY. OUT OF 35 DIRECT MAILOUTS, ALONG THE VIBT OF TRAIL VOTES, TO A DUEL.

IN ALL, 54 STREET SIGNS ARE NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT.

FROM ORANGE AVENUE TO AVENUE Q. TOTAL COST IS 9,351.

PRODUCTION WILL TAKE APPROXIMATELY 6-8 WEEKS.

IN A SIDE NOTE, MS. FANNY STODARD WOULD BE TURNING 92.

>> THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. HAPPENED IN A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S A RESPONSE FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO REALLY WITH THIS, BUT HOW DO WE LOOK AT THIS GOING FORWARD? OBVIOUSLY, WE HEARD TONIGHT. AND IT'S GREAT, BUT I BELIEVE THIS SPEAKS TO THE POINT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS RATHER THAN JUST HAVE FOLKS.

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I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE FORMATTED PROCESS, WE GO THROUGH, WHERE THE CITY COMMISSIONER KNOWS, THE COMMUNITY HAS WEIGHED IN ON IT. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FUNDING.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS, MAKE SURE IT FITS CERTAIN CRITERIA, WHICH I'VE NEVER, I'VE NEVER CONTRIBUTED TO THAT LIST OF ITEMS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. I REALLY DO BELIEVE, WE HAVE TO

HAVE A FORMAL PROCESS >> SIMILAR PERHAPS TO WHEN WE CREATED THE PROCESS FOR NAMING OF PARKS OR RENAMING OF PARKS?

>> WHATEVER, MAYOR. >> WE DO HAVE A PROCESS FOR

THAT. >> I KNOW WE DO.

BUT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ONE FOR THIS.

AND TO TELL YOU THAT, AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE POINT, THIS POINT HERE. I'M TOTALLY SUPPORT THAT, AND STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB, REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO BUT I'M SAYING GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROCESS, SO WE DON'T STUMBLE AND MOVE AND DO THINGS, BECAUSE WE COULD END UP LOOKING AT FIVE OR SIX OF THESE EVERY MEETING THAT WE'RE UP.

WE HAVE A LOT OF STREETS IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE START RENAMING THEM EVERYTHING.

NOT TO SAY, WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT.

I'M SAYING WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A FORMAT.

>> THAT NEEDS TO BE FAIR. >> THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE, WE HAVE CROSSED ALL THE T'S AND DOTTED ALL THE EYES,

THROUGH THE CITY AND THE SYSTEM. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR >> I GUESS MY PERSONAL INPUT ON IT IS, IT'S TIME FOR US TO START DOING SOMETHING, BUT OUR STREETS. NOT ONLY REPAIRING THEM BUT I THINK WE'RE COME TO A POINT IN OUR LIFE, WE'RE ABOVE NUMBERS AND ALPHABET. WE CAN READ.

YOU KNOW WE CAN COUNT SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY.

AND THEY ARE PERSONALIZED, OUR CITY, BECAUSE WE'VE COME A LONG WAY. I WANTED TO ASK JOE, WHERE WERE THE FUNDS COMING FROM FOR THIS PROJECT?

>> WE HAVE -- THIS IS THE QUESTION?

GOT IT RIGHT THERE. >> IT WAS PUT IN THE CITY OF

FORT PIERCE? >> YES.

>> I GOT IT, JOE. >> THANK YOU.

>> OH, OKAY. . >> GOOD EVENING, SIR.

WITH REGARD TO FUNDING, WE'LL FIND THE FUNDING.

THIS PROBABLY COULD HAPPEN THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND.

$3,900 IS NOT A LARGE EXPENDITURE.

WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER PERONA. I THINK IT WILL COME TIME AND TIME AGAIN. THE MAYOR AND I WERE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE RENAMING OF OUR CURRENT STREETS.

HOW WE WENT FROM LORRAINE, TO SELLIN TO AVENUE D.

WE'RE LEFT WITH A RENAMING. WE'RE LEFT WITH RESOLUTIONS AND APPROVAL OF MOTIONS WITHOUT ANY BACK STORY.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS HAPPENED. I THINK IT HAPPENED IN 1916.

>> 1923. >> AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT OCCURRED. BUT I BELIEVE WE ESTABLISHED THAT PROCESS, SIR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND WE CAN HAVE A CALL FOR NOMINATIONS SIMILAR, TO OUR PARKS AND FACILITIES. WE CAN HAVE A DESIGNATED GROUP TO REVIEW OF THE NOMINATIONS AND BRING YOU RECOMMENDATIONS BASED

UPON THEIR FEEDBACK. >> I COULD SEE THIS MUCH.

WHEN YOU AND I AGREE, COMMISSIONER PERONA, I THINK WE NEED TO GET A PROCESS INVOLVED AND I HOPE THAT THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF WHAT'S TO COME BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER SAID, EARLIER WE'VE OUTGROWNED THE NUMBERS AND AVENUES AND 13TH STREET IN AVENUE K.

THERE'S SOME HISTORY BEHIND THAT, MR. CITY MANAGER.

I HAD A TALK TO A VERY RESPECTFUL ELDERLY GUY TWO YEARS AGO, BY THE NAME OF PAT DUVAL. PAT DUVAL HAD A HISTORY OF KNOWLEDGE OF HIM ABOUT ST. LUCIE COUNTY, FORT PIERCE.

HE'S ONE OF THE FIRST DEPUTY SHERIFF, MINORITY SHERIFFS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. I THINK PAT DUVAL WAS.

HE SHARED WITH ME, WHY THOSE STREETS WERE NAMED BY NUMBERS AND AVENUES BY LETTERS. IT WAS A FORMAT TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ACADEMY FIND BLACK PEOPLE AND

[00:55:03]

IT MADE IT EASIER. AND LIKE COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER SAID EARLIER, WE'RE BEYOND THAT, NOW.

AT LEAST I WOULD HOPE SO. I'M HOPING THAT, EVERY LAST ONE OF THE STREETS, NAMED AFTER SOMEBODY, SOMETHING NICE, LIKE THEY HAVE IN SAINT FORT LUCIE. THEY DON'T HAVE IT IN OTHER CITIES EITHER. PAT DUVAL SHARED THAT WITH ME.

DOWN IN JIM CROW'S DAYS, THAT'S WHAT THEY DID.

WE'RE BEYOND JIM CROW. AND I WOULD HOPE, THE FLOODGATES WILL START TO FLOW AND START CHANGING THE NAMES OF THE

STREETS AND AVENUES. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR >> I WOULD LIKE TO FORMAT AND COULD BRING IT TOGETHER. IT'S ALREADY RESOLVING.

WE'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND WE HAVE NOT YET TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC BUILDINGS. AND SO IT'S REALLY PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S PUBLICLY OWNED INFRASTRUCTURE. AND IF WE CAN INCOME PASS ALL THE ITEMS INTO PROCESS, POLICY, FORM AND FORMAT, I THINK I'M GOOD WITH THAT. WE'VE HAD SOME GOOD REQUEST, AND

HERE WE GO. >> I AGREE.

>> PERHAPS WE CAN GET STAFF TO LOOK AT SOME ESTABLISHED COMMUNITIES DID, TO FIND OUT. AND IT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO WORK ON, IS COME UP WITH A PLAN. AND IT MAKES IT EASIER ON US.

AND TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING, WE HAVE REACTED SOMETIMES TO ISSUES, THAT LATER ON, AND SO WE'RE GETTING SMARTER AT THIS.

SO IF WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, TO SEE WHAT IT IS.

I KNOW, THERE'S SEVERAL COMMUNITIES OUT THERE, THAT TAKES WHAT FORT PIERCE DOES AND USE IT AS THEIR OWN.

SO I THINK IT'S FAIR, THAT WE CAN DO THE SAME.

>> YOU HAVE OUR DIRECTION? YOU HAVE OUR DIRECTION? SO I THINK WHAT WE WANT, IS STAFF TO COME UP WITH A SUGGESTED PROCESS FOR RENAMING STREETS.

>> WE HAVE THE FEEDBACK FOR THIS PARTICULAR STREET.

BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, WITH THE RENAMING, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PROCESS, WE APPROVE AS A CITY COMMISSION.

THEN WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, AGAIN, FOR THE STREET.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, START OFF WITH THE STREET. RIGHT.

WE HAVE SOMEBODY AM COULD UP HERE TONIGHT AND ASK FOR THAT.

>> IF I MAY. I BELIEVE STAFF HAS PICKED THIS UP AND MOVED IT IN A DIRECTION. I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO PUT THE GABOSH ON THIS THING.

MY QUESTION, INQUIRIES GOING FORWARD.

I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL, WITH GOING THROUGH WITH THE ISSUE AT HAND BUT I'M SAYING, GOING FORWARD FROM THAT MOMENT IN TIME, HAVE STAFF HAPPY WITH THE WAY WE VETTED IT ALL THE WAY

THROUGH? >> I COULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, JOE HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN GAINING COMMUNITY INPUT, WHERE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO COME OUT. PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO GET INTO GROUPS. WE HAVE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT REPRESENTS THE COMMUNITY. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE MAIL LETTERS FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE ACTUAL CORRIDOR.

WE HAVE AN ON-LINE SURVEY TO GAIN THE COMMUNITY INPUT AS WELL. OUR JOB, IS TO PROVIDE YOU, THAT FEEDBACK SO YOU COULD MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

I THINK IT'S BEEN A SUCCESSFUL VENTURE TO GET THAT FEEDBACK FOR

YOU. >> I THINK IT'S A TIMING MECHANISM, TOO. AND DARDEN IS 100-YEAR-OLD OR GOING TO BE ANOTHER YEAR OLDER PRETTY SOON.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF INTENT TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT POINT IN TIME, FOR US TO SIT THERE AND THROW IT IN A MIX, WHERE WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH A POLICY AND PLAN, WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS TIME FOLKS. AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH GOING FORWARD WITH THAT PROCESS, BUT GOING -- DEVELOPING A PROCESS

GOING FORWARD AFTER THAT. >> AS LONG AS THAT'S VERY CLEAR, THAT WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENCE.

AS LONG AS THAT'S VERY CLEAR. >> ANOTHER QUESTION, TO THAT, COMMISSIONER, IF OUR NEW FORMAT, LATER ON COMES TO THE TRULY RENAMED AS SOME OF OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE TALKED ABOUT, RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE A DUAL DESIGNATION.

IT'S PROBABLY SIMPLE TO REMOVE THE NUMBERED SIGNS.

[01:00:01]

>> THAT'S FINE WITH ME. I THINK STAFF HAS DONE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AND GET TO THIS POIN.

I JUST DON'T LIKE MAKING A LEFT-HAND TURN, WHEN WE GET TO THE END, SAY, HEY, LET'S DO SOMETHING ELSE.

WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THIS. I LIKE THE DUAL DESIGNATION.

I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION, I WOULD LIKE TO GO INTO.

AS THAT ONE GETS PERFORMED AND PERFECTED, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A POLICY IN THERE GOING FORWARD. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE.

>> WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TWO TRACKS.

>> THAT'S MY VIEW RIGHT NOW. .

I THINK THERE'S A TIMING ISSUE, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED, WHEN THIS THING WAS GETTING INTO A CRESCENDO.

STAFF DID A GREAT JOB FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION.

>> IT HAS OPENED UP OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PROCESS GOING FORWARD.

>> NOW ARE YOU CLEAR >> YES.

>> ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH THAT. >> AT THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WOULD ASK THAT MR. NIMS BRING IT BACK IN THE NEXT MEETING, SO WE CAN DOCUMENT, WHAT WE DID, WHY WE DID IT AND FORMALIZE IT IN THAT MANNER.

>> AGREED. >> AGREED?

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> THANK YOU, RIGHT. THE I NEXT ITEM OF THE AGENDA IS

THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> ANY ITEMS.

>> ANYBODY ELSE. IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> WHAT IS THE APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER ALEX ANDER?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER PER ROAN NA?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS

>> YES, MAM. >> TWO YEAR, ON THE PLANNED, LOCATED IN INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. THE NEW EXPIRATION DALT WOULD BE

NOVEMBER 19TH, OF 2022 >> COMMISSIONER QUORUM.

>> AND I KNOW, WHEN THIS PROJECT WAS FIRST TALKED ABOUT IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, IT WAS ABOUT 4-5 YEARS AGO, WE STARTED THE PROCESS, IN 2018, WE ACTUALLY GOT TO THE WEEDS OF ALL OF IT, AND GOT TO SEE THE SIGHT PLAN AND GOT EXCITED.

THIS PARTICULAR COUNCIL IS WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER A GATEWAY TO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. I WAS REALLY EXCITED WE WERE GOING TO GET DEVELOPMENT ON THAT.

FOR THE LONGEST TIME, IT'S PRETTY MUCH BEEN FALLO OTHER THAN -- I KNOW AT THE TIME, IT WAS AN UNANIMOUS DECISION.

WE HAD FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY, WEIGHING IN, TALKING ABOUT THEIR WELFARE, SAFETY AND IMPACTS. I KNOW AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME, I VOTED FOR IT, BECAUSE OF THE EXCITEMENT OF THE PROJECT.

I'M LOOKING AT IT NOW, IT IS DOUBTFUL, IT WILL COME TO FRU WIGS. I BELIEVE THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNER IS MOVING TOWARDS GETTING THE ENTITLEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO MARKET IT. FOR THAT PURPOSE, I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD PASS THIS RIGHT NOW, IF IT WAS PRESENTED TO US IN 2020. CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WE MOVED IN THE DIRECTION IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

REAL ESTATE IS GOING WILD. RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE, ESPECIALLY WATERFRONT PROPERTY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD AND PULLING BUILDING PERMITS.

I JUST WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE COMMISSION, RATHER THAN PASS IT AND CONSENT AND BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE TWO YEARS TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND YOU DIDN'T.

>> I NOTICE THERE'S A FOR SALE SIGN.

>> THERE'S FOR SALE SIGNS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> IT'S BEEN THERE, I THINK I LOOKED AT IT SINCE JUNE.

>> MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL OF THIS TRYING TO GET ANYTHING PREPARED TO BE SOLD, IF IT'S THAT'S WHAT HIS REASONS ARE? WHY WOULDN'T WE -- ESPECIALLY ON

[01:05:01]

I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. WE HAVE TIME AND TIME, AGAIN, OF REQUESTS COMING IN FOR EXTENSION.

I DON'T RECALL HARDLY EVER OF A TWO YEAR EXTENSION? THAT'S JUST MY QUESTION AND WHY IT WAS PUT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SOMEBODY HAD TO PUT IT THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS? >> WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT'S NOT A ROAD WE DIDN'T TRAVEL BEFORE SO WHY IT WAS PUT, I DON'T KNOW.

THEN AGAIN, I DO KNOW. I HOPE THE COMMISSION WOULD PUT THEIR PERSONAL DIFFERENCES ASIDE AND HANDLE THE BUSINESS AS IT SHOULD BE HANDLED AND BE FAIR AND PUT OUT OUR PERSONAL DIFFERENTS TO THE SIDE. LIKE COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

WE DO, SOME FROM THE NIGHT AND TO BE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA, IT PUZZLES ME. I JUST DON'T LIKE SETTING PRECEDENCE WHERE WE DO THINGS OUT OF THE NORM.

THIS IS NOTHING THAT'S TYPICAL FOR THE COMMISSIONER TO DO AND TO PULL THIS NOW, I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY JUSTIFIABLE REASONS FOR DOING SO, OTHER THAN SOMEONE COULD TELL ME OTHERWISE, OTHER THAN ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION, WHICH IS WHAT PEOPLE DO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WILL DO. IN FLORIDA, YOU HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS. OWNERS, SOME OF THE MOST LIBERAL RIGHTS. AT ANY RATE, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

THAT'S MY POSITION >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR >> I WAS ALONE, OPPOSER IN THE FIRST SITE PLAN. I DIDN'T GET TO VOTE IN THE 2016 PROPOSAL. COUPLE OF MY COMMENTS AT THE TIME, WERE ABOUT THE BUILDINGS IN ALIGNMENT OR ADJACENT TO INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, KNOWING HOW CLOSE THEY ARE TO THE SIDEWALK.

THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE, IT WAS A MINOR ONE, WAS THE SEA WALL AND THE BULK-TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, ALONG THE LIVING WATERFRONT. I'M JUST OPPOSED TO THAT.

I BELIEVE AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO PROEFFECT OUR NATIONAL RESOURCES. THAT'S WHY I VOTED AGAINST IT IN 2018. IF COMMISSIONER WAS GOING TO PULL IT, I WAS GOING TO PULL IT FOR THAT EXACT REASON.

>> AND I WILL SAY THIS MAYOR. I DON'T DOUBT, BOTH OF YOU WILL PULL IT. I DON'T KNOW EVERYBODY UP HERE.

AND BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU, I FIGURE SOMEBODY WOULD PULL IT.

I'M NOT TRYING TO POINT THE FINGER ON YOU OR NOTHING, I FIGURED THAT WOULD HAPPEN. I WAS NOT SURPRISED.

BUT, AGAIN, UNLESS, GENTLEMEN, YOU COULD SHOW SOME JUSTIFIABLE REASON, WE WOULDN'T APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WE NORMALLY WOULD. THAT'S WHY THAT'S IN THE CONSENT AGENDA, I CAN'T SEE DOING SO. AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, BUT THAT, IN OF ITSELF, IN MY OPINION, IS NOT AN EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WOULD MANDATE NOT HAVING THIS ITEM APPROVED IN LIGHT OF WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TRYING TO DO AND ACCOMPLISH HERE.

AND THAT'S THE WAY WE SHOULD DO BUSINESS.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FACILITATE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUILD AND PAY TAXES, WHETHER THEY SELL IT, WHETHER THEY DO IT THEMSELVES, WE HAVE THE POLICE OFFICERS OUT HERE.

WE HAVE VALUABLE PROPERTY. WE HAVE THE LOWEST PRICE WATERFRONT PROPERTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA RIGHT NOW.

WHAT I'VE SEEN IN TERMS OF THE PLANS OF THE PROPERTY, WILL STAND OUT AND REALLY LOOK NICE AND, YES, IT REQUIRES MR. ENGINEER, SOMETHING OUT OF THE NORM.

AT THE SAME TOKEN, LOOK WHAT IT WILL BRING.

THAT'S MY POSITION. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M NOT GRASPING, YOUR PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS. AS I SAID, THIS IS A GATEWAY INTO DOWNTOWN. WE ATTEND STRATEGIC PLANNING

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WE WERE CATERING TO THEM, TRYING TO GET THEM TO SPEND SOME MONEY TO GO VERTICAL IN SOME OF THE ASSETS THAT ARE GOING ON.

I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS 2020. IT'S A NEW TIME AND IT'S A TIME FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE THINGS AND HOW IMPORTANT WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON. WE DIDN'T START FOR TWO YEARS.

WE HAVE PROGRESSED. THE CITIES HAS WORKED PRETTY HARD. THE BUSINESS PARTNERS, PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS BOOMING RIGHT NOW. FOLKS, WANT TO ENHANCE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL, WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT MOVING AT ALL. THERE'S NOT AN ECONOMIC REASON FOR IT. SO I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO THE COMMISSION, AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME, WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THAT BAR FOR SURE, WE HAVE TO START MAKING NEW POLICIES AND MOVING, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS ACCORDINGLY.

IF NOT, WE WOULD HAVE GIVEN UP A FOUR YEAR, FIVE YEAR BUILDING PERMIT ALLOWANCE FOR A SITE PLANNED.

AND WE DIDN'T. IT GIVES US A CHANCE TO REVISIT THIS. THIS IS THE TIME WE HAVE.

WHAT WE DID IN THE PAST, DOESN'T MATTER.

IT'S HOW WE GO FORWARD. THINGS ARE CHANGING ALL THE TIME. WE'RE ALL STARTING TO CHANGE OUT HERE. THIS IS A NEW ERA.

IT'S TIME TO LOOK AT IT WITH THE FRESH EYES AND MOVE FORWARD.

I HAVE BIGGER VISIONS FOR FORT PIERCE THAN SITTING, WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY. I SEE THE PICTURE, SEE THE SITE PLANNED. I BET $20, I WILL NEVER SEE THAT BUILT IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. I HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.

THOSE FOLKS THAT WERE IMPACTED NEGATIVELY, ARE NOW KNOCKING ON MY DOOR SAYING, HEY, YOU VOTED FOR IT.

YOU SUPPORTED IT. IT'S NOT HAPPENING.

SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW? YOU WILL PUT US OUT THERE FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS? I AM SAYING NO, I'M NOT.

FOR THAT, I CAN'T SUPPORT MOVING THIS AGAIN FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS. LOOK AT IT.

ALL THE ZONING CHANGES, THAT BELONGS TO THE PROPERTY.

THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

I'M BLAMING, IF THEY BRING -- IF THEY BROUGHT THE SITE PLAN TO US TODAY, WOULD WE VOTE ON IT POSITIVELY.

I DON'T THINK WE WOULD. WE'VE CHANGEDED THAT MUCH.

IF YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH A NEW PLAN, PLEASE BRING A SITE PLAN. BRING IT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND MOVE IT FORWARD AGAIN.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY, TO DETERMINE HOW WE MOVE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, MOVING FORWARD.

>> AND I REMEMBER, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CITIZENS, WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE CONGESTION AT THAT PARTICULAR SITE.

I REMEMBER YOU WANTED IT A CROSSWALK, BECAUSE OF THE NEED, INCREASED NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE THEIRS.

THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY MOVEMENT, AND THE REAL ESTATE IS HOT RIGHT NOW. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY, 11B.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> AND CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> YES, MAM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> NO, MAM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC

[a. Resolution No. 20-R54 and Quasi-Judicial Hearing – A hearing to allow the owners and/or parties of interest in the property identified as 1909 N 16th Street to show cause why the structure located on the premises should not be condemned and demolished.]

EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. THERE WILL BE ONE MORE.

IF YOU HAVE A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING TONIGHT, PLEASE LISTEN

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. >> CITY COMMISSIONER SEVERS AS A QUASI-JUDICIAL ROLE. WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY. BY PASSING LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICY. WHEN ACTING AS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY, COURT, IS HELD TO STRICTER JUDICIAL REQUIREMENTS.

QUASI-JUDICIAL MEETINGS MUST FOLLOW BASIC STANDARDS OF NOTICE AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASED ON COMPETENT STANDARDS.

THAT'S WHY THE COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED THE UNIFORM PROCEDURES FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED

THIS EVENING. >> THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE NOW IN ORDER. HAS THE ADVERTISING BEEN MET FOR

THE ITEM? >> YES, MA'AM, THE ADVERTISING

HAS BEEN MET. >> WOULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS

ABOUT EXPARTY COMMUNICATIONS. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, HAVE YOU HAD EXPARTY COMMUNICATIONS REGARDING THIS PARTY?

>> YES, I HAVE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> NO, MAM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, NO

MAM, NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES NOW? WOULD ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

>> OH, YES, MADAM CLERK. I HAVE SOME CONVERSATION, I'M

SORRY. >> ALL RIGHT.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS CLEARLY FOR THE RECORD AND CONFIRM YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

>> IT'S TIME FOR THE CITY STAFF TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.

MR. RICE. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER. WE'RE REQUESTING FOR DEMOLITION FOR 1909, NORTH 16TH STREET. THERE'S QUITE A LONG HISTORY WITH THIS, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME, AS WE GO THROUGH IT.

IT'S QUITE DETAILED. WE RECENTLY RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FOR AN ABANDONED STRUCTURE IN DECEMBER OF 2017.

THE DEPARTMENT OF BUILDING COMPLETED THE INSPECTION REPORT.

THE INSPECTION WAS DONE BY SEAN CLARK.

HE NOTICED, ALL THAT REMAINED IN THE STRUCTURE.

AND HE REPORTED, IT WAS UNFIT FOR HUMAN OCCUPANCY.

CONSTITUTED IT BEING DECLARED. THE AFFIDAVIT OF SAFE STRUCTURE

WAS ISSUED JANUARY. >> I SPOKE TO -- OPENER HOWARD KESSLER, RECENTLY PASSED AWAY. SHE WAS UNAWARE HE OWNED THE PROPERTY. SHE ADVISED US OF THE GRASS.

I FORWARDED HER THE CITY FOR PREVIOUS LOT CLEARINGS.

AS OF TODAY, THEY REMAIN UNPAVED.

AT THAT TIME, KESSLER'S BUSINESS OFFICER ARRANGED FOR A QUICK CLAIM DEED TO RG DEVELOPER, INC. AND MINERVA CELESTETON.

IN FEBRUARY OF 2020, VIEW OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER, WAS IN THE NAME. AND IN 2015, I TOOK OWNERSHIP ACTION. AND I CONTACTED THE PROPERTY APRAISER AND THEY CONFIRMED THE NAME COULDN'T BE CHANGED BECAUSE THE PROPERTY DIDN'T GO THROUGH PROBATE.

SO I REACHED OUT BACK TO MRS. KESSLER.

SHE WAS, BASICALLY. SHE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF STAYING PROBATE. SHE DIDN'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY. I SPOKE WITH RG DEVELOPER, INC., PROVIDED THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED.

I REFERRED THEM, THERE WAS SOME CONSIDERATION, THAT WEIGH.

WE'RE MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE PERMITS ON THE PROPERTY HAD EXPIRED AND WE CONTINUE TO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS. THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY STARTED IN MARCH, BUT IT WAS CANCELLED BECAUSE OF CO.

IT WAS ISSUE ISSUED. IN AUGUST 2019, THEY DEMOLISHED

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IN FEBRUARY 2020, THE PERMIT EXPIRED.

THAT'S WHEN I SCHEDULED THIS, FOR THE MARCH HEARING.

WE NOTIFIED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OF THE TITLE ISSUES.

AND THE PERMIT WAS RENEWED IN THE NAME OF RJ DEVELOPER, AFTER WE CONTACTEDED BY KESSLER. THERE WAS NEVER AN ESTATE TO PROBATE. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH, NOR DO I CARE. SHE RELAYED TO THE CITY, SHE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF TAKING ANY IS. AND AFTER RJ DEVELOPER WAS NOTIFIED OF US COMING FORWARD AGAIN, MOVING THE PROCESS FORWARD, THEY DID COME IN AND RENEWED THE PERMIT AGAIN.

THE PERMIT IS ACTIVE AT THIS TIME.

THOUGH NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE, SI

SINCE. >> WE START.

AND WE GOT THE INITIAL COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.

ON JANUARY 2018, WE STARTED WITH THE AFFIDAVIT OF UNSAFE STRUCTURE. MARCH 2019, REHAB PERMIT WAS ISSUED. AUGUST 2019, STRUCTURE IS PARTIALLY DEMOLISHED. FROM THAT POINT TO, TO DAY, NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE. SINCE THE PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF

THE STRUCTURE IN 2019. >> COULD I ASK YOU A QUESTION?

>> YES, SIR >> WE HAVE A COLORED PICTURE HERE. THIS ONE.

THIS IS IT. IS THIS THE PROPERTY?

>> I BELIEVE SO, SIR >> IT'S THE ONLY COLORED ONE.

>> I WAS OUT THERE A MONTH. >> THE ONLY -- CLEARED KWUP.

IT WAS A LOT OF WALLS THERE AND THE WALLS UP FRONT HAVE

DISAPPEARED. >> THE 4TH WALL WAS DEMOLISHED ON 2019. NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE IN THE

PROPERTY SINCE THEN. >> AND THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY

HERE. >> NO WORK HAS BEEN DONE.

THE PERMIT EXPIRED IN SEPTEMBER. >> BECAUSE THERE'S NO

INSPECTIONS AND NO WORK DONE. >> IT LOOKS LIKE, THERE'S A LOT

MORE HE >> DID YOU GIVE THESE TO US? THAT'S ACTUALLY THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTAL.

HE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN IT COMES FORWARD.

>> IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COPY, MAYBE YOU NEED A COPY.

>> IT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. >> IF I COULD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERMITS. YOU HAVE THE OTHER SCREEN ON THE PERMITS. COULD YOU EXPLAIN WHAT EACH PERMIT. PERMITS ISSUED MARCH OF 2017.

>> THAT WAS SEVERAL PERMITS, INCLUDED IN, PLUMBING, ELECTRIC

AND ET CETERA. >> THAT WAS PART OF THE PERMIT?

>> YES. >>

. >> HERE'S ANOTHER ONE.

I'M LOOKING AT ONE FROM 2018. I FINALLY PAIRED THEM UP.

THANK YOU. >> DID YOU HAVE MORE?

>> OKAY. >> THE NOTICE WAS SENT, CERTIFIED MAIL, BUT WAS RECLAIMED.

AND WE ALSO HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH DAVID THORNTON, WITH RJ DEVELOPER AND ROD WALLER, WITH SUN REZ.

AND THE TAXES ARE DUE FOR TWO YEARS.

THE NOTICE OF HEARING, WAS PROVIDED BY DEVELOPER ART DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. REGARDING THE RESPONSES, WE'VE SPOKE WITH MS. KESSLER ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS.

SHE'S INDICATED TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND, SHE DOESN'T INTEND TO GO TO PROBATE. I'VE HAD.

FUNDS DUE, FOR NRNG. TAXES REMAIN UNPAID FOR THE

YEARS 2018 AND 2019. >> THERE'S NO LAW AGAINST THAT,

IS IT? >> NO, SIR

>> OKAY. . I'M JUST, MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR >> I AM JUST, FOR THE LIFE OF ME. I RIDE UP AND DOWN AND I SEE SO

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WHY ARE WE. >> DEVELOPER AND WHOMEVER, I'M

SORRY, MA'AM. >> YOU HAVE MORE?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> AND JUST BRIEF STATUS, IT'S A NONHOMESTEAD PROPERTY AND IT'S VACANT.

THERE'S AN ACTIVE PERMIT. THAT'S GOING TO BE CLOSED.

IT'S NOT A HISTORIC PROPERTY. THERE'S NO UNIVERSITIES AT THE PROPERTY AND WE DID COMPLETE THE TITLE SEARCH.

THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL PARTIES THAT WERE NOTIFIED.

THIS IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE PROPERTY, EXCEPT FOR THE GRASS BEING CUT. AS I INDICATED, THE REAR WALL

WAS REMOVED LAST YEAR. >> THERE A LAW AGAINST THAT?

>> NO, SIR >> OKAY.

I'M TRYING TO FOM YOU. >> HAROLD KESSLER IS THE OWNER

AND HE'S DISEASE. >> IT'S CLOUDY.

AS I INDICATED, THE WIDOW DOESN'T INTEND TO GO THROUGH PROBATE. AND AT ONE TIME,.

THE NAME OF THE PROPERTY, IS SO IN HAROLD KESSLER ESTATE.

IT HAS TO REMAIN THAT WAY UNTIL IT GOES TO PROBATE.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, THE CONTRACT.

THEY GO THROUGH AN EXTENSION -- THEY DON'T WANT TO COORDINATE

HERE. >> THAT'S PRETTY CONCISE.

>> THAT'S KIND OF AWKWARD HERE. THE PERSON WHO ACTUALLY HOLDS THE PROPERTY, THAT HOLDS THE DEED, COULD CARE LESS.

THE CONTRACTOR IS HERE TO, I GUESS WITH THE LETTER, PLEADING TO GET AN EXTENSION, ANOTHER EXTENSION?

>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING >> AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER VIEW OF WHAT IS REMAINING AT THE PROPERTY NOW.

THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THIS. AND IT SHOWS THE NEIGHBORS, PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH, IS OWNED BY MS. DIANE.

H HE'S.

SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONER REGARDING THE EFFECT THIS

PROPERTY IS HAVING ON HER. >> I'M NOT READY FOR THE PUBLIC

HEARING RIGHT NOW. >> THIS I PART OF THE

PRESENTATION. >> IT'S PART OF YOUR

PRESENTATION, OJ. >> IF IT'S PART OF COMBRUR PRESENTATION, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DIANE PRINCE DARDEN. I LIVE IN 1905 NORTH 16TH STREET. I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS VACANT PROPERTY. AND I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON MY BEHALF AND THAT I AM TIRED OF THIS PROPERTY.

IT'S BEEN LIKE THIS FOR YEARS. I UNDERSTAND IT'S BEEN CHANGED HANDS. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH THINGS AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT THE RIGHT WAY.

AS A PROPERTY OWNER, I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY, NUMBER ONE, IT'S AN EYE SORE TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.

THEY COULDN'T COME. I AM HERE TO SAY, THAT THERE'S TIMES THE GRASS GOTTEN SO HIGH. YES, I KNOW THE CONTRACTOR.

AT THIS POINT, I WANT SOMETHING TO BE DONE.

I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S A PANDEMIC.

I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT NEEDS TO GO ON.

AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE POINT, YOU ARE AFRAID, TO LET YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN PLAY OUT IN YOUR OWN YARD, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. I HAVE A 4-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON AND I WON'T ALLOW HIM TO GO ON THAT SIDE, WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, TO

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I FOUND ONE IN MY BACKYARD. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON MY BEHALF.

YES, I TALKED TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS.

THEY WANT SOMETHING DONE AND IT'S ONLY FAIR.

I HAVE BEEN PATIENT. I HAVE UNDERSTANDING.

I HAVE BEEN PROFESSIONAL. BUT NOW THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE TO ACCOMMODATE MY 4-YEAR-OLD, GOING OUT IN MY FRONT YARD AND I DARE NOT GO IN MY BACKYARD.

FOR ANY REASON. SO I ASK, YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, TO GET THIS SETTLED, PLEASE DO SO.

I HAVE TO LIVE THERE. AND THIS IS WHERE MY PARENTS RAISED US. THAT COMMUNITY, OUR STREETS WERE NOT LIKE THE WAY IT IS NOW. I HAVE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE ABOUT THEM, ABOUT IT. IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING.

RATHER THAN TEAR IT DOWN, THAT'S OKAY WITH ME.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW HIM, MORE EXTENSION, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE A TIME LIMIT AS TO SOMETHING BEING DONE.

I WOULD HOPE, EVERYBODY INVOLVED WILL UNDERSTAND THAT.

THIS IS MY HOME. THIS IS MY GRANDSON'S PLACE WHERE HE LOVES TO COME SEE HIS NANNA.

SO PLEASE, TAKE ALL OF THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, HAS A

QUESTION. >> MA'AM, YOU SAID, THAT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. SO ARE YOU IN A POSITION TONIGHT, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO GIVE ANOTHER EXTENSION?

>> WORST CASE SCENARIO? WHAT'S THE IDEA OF BEING DONE

MEANS TO YOU? >> I AM A FAIR PERSON, OKAY. IF HE IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITHIN SIX MONTHS, I'M OKAY WITH THAT, FOR NOW. IF HE'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING, I SAY TEAR IT DOWN AND LET'S GET OVER THIS.

IF HE CANNOT DO SOMETHING IN SIX MONTHS, TO RECTIFY THIS, AND IT'S BEEN MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE, NO.

I'M NOT GOING -- I'M NOT GOING BEYOND SIX MONTHS.

>> SIX MONTHS WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.

>> SIX MONTHS FROM THIS DATE. >> YOU SHOULD KNOW.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CALL ME.

IT IS GOING TO BE MY LAST NIGHT. I HAVE TO CALL HIM

>> I WANT TO GET IT DONE TONIGHT.

WHAT'S YOUR POSITION? YOU FEEL LIKE, YOU'VE BEEN CALLED AND BURNING MY PHONE UP. AND I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU FEEL, IT'S BEEN EXTENDED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

I DON'T EVEN THINK ROLAND KNOWS THE ISSUE ABOUT THIS.

THAT'S A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DON'T KNOW IF ROLAND KNOWS WHAT HE'S GOTTEN HIMSELF INTO.

YOU SAY, YOU DON'T MIND EXTENDING IT AGAIN, IF THE

DECISION COMES UP? >> YOU KNOW WHAT MR. SESSION, COMMISSIONER SESSIONS? I WILL GIVE MR. ROLAND THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THIS TIME BECAUSE OF WHAT'S BEEN TOLD, AS FAR AS THE PANDEMIC. OKAY. SIX MONTHS FROM TODAY, I -- I'M GOING TO CALL COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

I'M GOING TO CALL MAYOR HUDSON >> PLEASE DO.

>> AND I'M GOING TO CALL, IF I GET EVERYBODY'S NAME, DIANE PRESS IS GOING TO CALL YOU ALL. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO ME, TO PUSH THIS ANY MORE. I LIKE GIVING PEOPLE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP YOUR

WORD. >> MA'AM, YOU FEED TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. I KNOW.

WE HAVE THE MESSAGE AND HE DID, TOO.

HE DID TOO. >> CLOSING.

YEAH OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING IN HERE.

YEP. YES

PEGGY. >> AND THIS IS JUST A QUICK

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AND YOU COULD CHANGE IT. YOU COULD AMEND IT, YOU COULD DO A CONSIDERATION OR YOU COULD DENY IT IN FULL.

WE WILL PROVIDE A 30 DAYS IN APPEAL.

IT WON'T HAVE TO GO TO A PRESERVATION BOARD AND WE WILL DO A FINAL NOTICE. THE COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PAGE THERE. IT COULD BE AMENDED.

IT COULD BE DENIED OR IT COULD BE APPROVED.

IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE CHOICES FOR THE COMMISSIONER TONIGHT.

THAT'S THE STAFF HAS. >> AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR

STAFF? >> THANK YOU.

>> WHICH WALL WAS REMOVED ON THE PLAN THERE.

>> THE REAR WALL. THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THE

6 AND 5. >> THAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE THE

WESTERN WALL. >> WESTERN WALL.

>> AND IN THE PERMIT APPLICATION, THE CENTER PRINTS THAT WE'VE ATTACHED, I HAVE A FEELING, THE APPLICANT OR REPRESENTATIVE WE TALKED ABOUT, IS THAT PART OF THE PERMIT.

WERE THE PRINTS, THE PERMIT APPLICATION.

WAS IT JUST THE REPAIR RENOVATION.

>> I DON'T HAVE THE PERMIT IN FRONT OF ME.

I KNOW IT'S A REPAIR PERMIT AND THE PLANS WERE SUBMITTED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLANS WERE THAT WERE SUBMITTED.

>> IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. >> COULD WE GET, COULD I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CALL BACK SOMEONE, TO ASK THAT QUESTION, THAT MAY

HAVE THAT ANSWER. >> THE BUILDING PERMIT IS

WATCHING SO. >> YES.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE AND MR. RAYS, I THINK YOU MAY BE EXCUSED

>> WORKS OUT -- >> YEAH

. >> THANK YOU.

YEP. ONE SECOND, MR. RAYS.

STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE?

>> MY NAME IS WARREN DARSON. FROM DOLPHIN DEVELOPER.

>> AND YOU'RE THE APPLICANT? >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND YOU WERE SWORN IN.

>> YES. >> AND YOUR QUESTION OF

MR. RAYS, PLEASE >> YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR HER?

>> I DO. >> THE INFORMATION SHE GIVE IS

NOT REALLY CORRECT, 100 PERCEN >> YOU PRESENT WHAT YOU WANT TO PRESENT, UNLESS YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC QUESTION OF HERS.

>> DID YOU HAVE A PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH ME?

THAT'S THE QUESTION >> NO, SIR

>> BECAUSE I THINK.

>>. >> YOU PRESENT, WHAT YOU WANT TO

PRESENT. >> AND IF I MAY, YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES, YOU COULD SEE THE TIMER IN THE PODIUM.

>> MR. ROLAND, YOU MAY WANT WHERE YOU WANT TO BE AT.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT. AND I KNOW IT'S EVIDENTIARY HEARING. YOU MAY LOOK WHAT YOU MAY BE LOOKING TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TALK TOO MUCH. YOU MAY WANT TO TALK YOURSELF

WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. >> AND COMMISSIONER.

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER. >> AND MY NAME IS ROLAND DAWSONVILLE. I'M CEO OF QIEN CONSTRUCTION.

AND IT'S MY FIRST TIME IN MY CAREER, I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FIRST OF ALL, MY MIND WAS BLOWN BECAUSE I COME FOR THE DEMOLITION -- I DIDN'T COME THERE FOR THE DISEASED, SO NOW I HAVE TO PUT THIS END.

IF YOU LOOK AT MY LETTER, I DO HAVE A BLUEPRINT ON THE PROPERTY AND I STOPPED THE CONSTRUCTION AND I HAVE DEMOLITION PERMIT, DUE TO THE COVID-19 MY STAFF AND WE HAVE A LOT OF JOB, KEEPING ME FROM GOING FORWARD. ME AND MS. DIANE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. WE ALWAYS TALK ALL THE TIME.

THIS IS WHERE I AM. NOW, I UNDERSTAND, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK, THEY WILL ASK, IF SHE HAS A PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH ME.

I GIVE YOU THREE COUNTS, AND DON'T HAVE ANY PERMIT.

I DO MY THING LEGIT. I STICK WITH MY ENGINEERING, AND ALL MY STAFF, WE DO EVERYTHING PROPERLY, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO

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YOU MOVE, YOU MOVE THE ELECTRIC. THAT OF ANY THEFT.

THE BACK FROM THE WEST WALL, WE REMOVE IT, BECAUSE THAT WAS TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH. WE WILL MAKE IT FIVE BEDROOM, ONE BATH. I GAVE YOU A COPY OF THE BLUEPRINT. HOW IT WILL LOOK, WHEN WE FINISHED. IT WILL BE THE BEST PROPERTY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. COVID SLOWED ME DOWN BECAUSE WE DIDN'T CAN'T PUT TOO MANY PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME.

I'M TRYING TO SATISFY THE CUSTOMER.

NOW, I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE -- I WAS NOT EVEN GOING TO TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT FEE. THAT'S HOW -- I WAS GOING TO BE HAPPY BY MYSELF TO REMOVE IT AND PUT NEW ONE OFF.

JUST BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT FEE, LET ME ADD IT UP.

AND THIS IS THE PATH AWAY. AND SO THEY NEVER DO THE PERMIT.

AND NOW I GO TO THE LAWYER, AND TO GO THROUGH, AND MAKE HER GO, AND DOING WHAT SHE HAS TO DO, SHE HAS NO MONEY TO PAY FOR IT.

NOW DUE AFTER TWO YEARS, SHE HAS TO -- AND MAKE HER GO BACK THERE AND WE CAN GO FORWARD. THIS IS WHERE I AM

>> AND ROLAND. >> PROBATE, VERY LENGTHY PROCESS. AND IT SEEMS LIKE, TO ME, THAT'S WHAT IS STILL IN THE AIR. WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

WE STILL ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE PROPERTY, PIECE OF PROPERTY, THAT'S IN QUESTION, THAT HAS NOT BEEN EVEN BEEN PROBATED.

AND YOU'RE IN THE OWNER, YOU IN THE POSITION TO OFFER SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW AND SUBSTANTIATE THAT THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE PULLED IN PERMITS, PULLED IN CONSTRUCTION, START IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, BECAUSE IT'S STILL IN PROBATE AND IF THE WOMAN DOESN'T HAVE MONEY FOR THE PROBATE, WHERE ARE WE AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU ANOTHER THING. THIS IS AN EYE SORE IN THE AREA.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT IT, AND I NE YU COULD WORK MIRACLES AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU ASSESS THE SITUATION AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING PROFITABLE TO YOU. WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING TO BE TORN DOWN. BE IT AS IT MAY, THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, NOT MINE. IT'S BEEN AGGRAVATING FOR YEARS NOW. GETTING BACK TO THE QUESTION, WHERE ARE WE AT IN THE PROBATE. YOU COULD TAKE IT AND MOVE

FORWARD, WHAT'S GOING ON? >> MS. KESSLER WAS DOING IT THROUGH THE PROBATE DUE TO THE HOSPITAL BILL.

SHE SAYS, SHE HAS NO MONEY TO PAY.

THAT'S OVER TWO YEARS. I'M GOING TO ALLOW MY ATTORNEY, TO ISSUE THE PROBATE AND I WILL PAY FOR IT WITH MY POCKET.

>> YOU WILL PAY FOR IT. SO THAT'S WHERE IT IS.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, HOW SOON WILL IT BE TO PULL A PERMIT

>> I HAVE A PERMIT. I HAVE PERMIT TO BUILD FROM GROUND AND UP. I DON'T HAVE TO PULL NOTHING.

THAT'S A NEW PERMIT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

>> HOW SOON WILL IT BE TO START CONSTRUCTION?

>> AGAIN, WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PROJECT IN FRONT OF ME.

I WILL LET MY PARTNER ANSWER. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> WHICH PERMIT DO YOU HAVE ACTIVE?

>> THE SAME PERMIT YOU HAVE, IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT.

IT'S NOT LIKE REPAIR PERMIT. >> READ THE NUMBER FOR ME, THE

TOP RIGHT CORNER. >> 183836.

>> SAME ONE I HAVE. THANK YOU

>> READY, YES, SIR

>>. >> WOULD YOU SWEAR IN?

>> DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> I DO. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> JOHN GEORGE, 2909 CONIFER DRIVE, FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.

FIRST OF ALL, THE PROPERTY IS A WHOLE LOT MORE PROPERTIES WORST THAN THAT PROPERTY. AND IF WE KEEP THE GLASS CLEAN

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WE'LL START DOING WORK. SIX MONTHS, YOU SAW THOSE PLANS, WHO WILL HAVE IT BUILT IN SIX MONTHS.

NOBODY. I DON'T CARE IF WE WORK ALL DAY AND NIGHT AND EVERYTHING. SO WE NEED TO GIVE AT LEAST, A

YEAR FOR THE PROJECT. >> HOW SOON YOU COULD START?

>> WE CAN START TOMORROW. IT DOESN'T MEAN, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE UP. OKAY.

WE HAVE ALL THE PERMITS. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, LIKE WE TOLD YOU. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH, A LOT, LIKE THE PERSON DIED. AND THE WIFE AND ALL OF THAT

STUFF >> SO ONCE YOU GET CLEAR, ARE YOU READY TO START CONSTRUCTION THE NEXT DAY

>> THE NEXT DAY. IT'S NOT A FINANCIAL PROBLEM.

WE CAN DO IT. WE CAN GET IT TAKEN CARE OF.

I TOLD DIANE THAT. ME AND HER SAID THAT.

FOR PEOPLE, TO STAY QUIET OUTSIDE.

I TOLD HER, THAT I WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GO AROUND.

AND THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. AND YOU KNOW ALL ME, SO, YOU ALL KNOW ME. I'M A MAN OF MY WORD.

WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AT COMMISSIONER. OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, YES? >> THANK YOU.

>> >> THE PERMIT YOU TALKED ABOUT A MINUTE AGO, WAS THAT THE FIRST PERMIT YOU RECEIVED ON THE

PERMIT. >> THE PERMIT AND IT'S A PERMIT TO BUILD FROM GROUND TO UP. TO SET OF BLUEPRINTS YOU HAVE.

>> SPENT EVERYTHING ON IT. >> THAT'S IN 2018.

>> YES, SIR >> LET ME SEE, IF YOU HAVE 2018.

>> THE PERMIT NUMBER IS 18-SOMETHING.

I'M ASSUMING, IT'S 2018. >> 18, 38, 36.

>> THE DATE. >> THE DATE, YES.

>> YES YES

. >> SO YOU HAVE SIGN AND SEALED PLANS, THAT I HAVE HERE. ARE THOSE PLANS, SIGNED AND SEALED CURRENTLY. IS THAT THE DATE BACK THEN, TOO

>> FROM THE SAME DATE, YES. >> AND OKAY. AND SO ARE YOU LICENSED CONTRACTOR OR PULLING THE PERMITS?

>> YES WE'RE LICENSED CONTRACTOR.

PULLED THE PERMIT. >> OKAY. .

>> WE DON'T NEED NO MORE PERMIT. THE SAME PERMIT IS THE ONE FROM GROUND AND UP. THE SAME ONE YOU'RE JUST

READING. >> YOU MENTIONED GROUND AND UP.

YOU'RE -- ARE YOU GOING TO HOLD THE WALLS THAT ARE THERE AND

BUILD AROUND THE WALLS? >> NO, THE WALLS YOU HAVE THERE, THEY ARE GOING TO STAY. THE ONE WE TEAR IT DOWN FROM THE WEST SIDE, WHERE WE WILL PUSH THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BIT BACK

AND PULL. >> AND THE OTHER THREE WALLS,

YOU WILL MAINTAIN? >> YES, SIR

>> HAS YOUR ENGINEER RECORD AFFECTED THE REBAR.

>> AND FROM THE BLUEPRINT. >> THERE'S A LOT CHANGED FROM MARCH OF 2018, TO OCTOBER, NOVEMBER -- WHERE ARE WE AT?

NOVEMBER, 2020. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AS WE COME FROM INSPECTION, THAT WILL DETERMINE FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHEN WE GET THERE. IF THERE'S ANY PROBLEM.

>> WELL, NOT NECESSARILY. BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHERE YOUR DOWNPOURS ARE AND YOUR CONCRETE, DOES YOUR -- HELP ME OUT HERE.

>> MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE STRICTURE ITSELF.

LOT OF THINGS CHANGED. >> WE GO BY THE PLANS.

IF THE ENGINEER TELL US, WE NEED TO ADD MORE REBAR OR WHATEVER.

I'M SURE, WHEN WE GET THE INSPECTIONS DONE, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CHECK THAT TO MAKE SURE.

YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME.

I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO GET DONE,

OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE?

>> SO DID YOU WANT TO ASK THE BUILDING OFFICIALS SOMETHING,

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YEAH.

DO WE HAVE? DO WE HAVE SOMEONE?

>> I WANT TO KNOW, IF I CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO

-- >> YEAH, I NEED TO ASK NOW.

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>> DO WE HAVE SOMEBODY HERE FROM THE -- FROM -- WHERE IS

MR. NIMS. >> MR. NIMS IS TO GET

MR. THOMAS? >> YEAH

. >> NICK WENT TO GET HIM.

>> NICK IS GONE. >> EXCUSE US, JUST A MOMENT,

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN >> I THINK HE'S HERE.

DO YOU NEED TO SWEAR HIM IN, MR. COX?

>> I DO. >> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUG, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> I DO. >> MR. THOMAS, COMMISSIONER HAS

SOMETHING FOR ME. >> WE HEARD SOME TESTIMONY, SEEN SOME LITERATURE IN FRONT OF US. THERE'S A PERMIT PULLED ON THE PROPERTY FROM 2018, MARCH OF 2018, PERMIT APPLICATION I HAVE.

THERE'S SIGNED AND SEALED ENGINEERING PLANS, IN ADDITION TO THAT. AND THE APPLICANT TESTIFIED TONIGHT THAT DURING THE INSPECTION PROCESS, THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO, YOUR DEPARTMENT WOULD BE ABLE TO CERTIFY THAT THE STRUCTURE INTEGRITY IS OKAY AT THE TIME OF YOUR INSPECTION. IS THIS ACCURATE?

>> THAT'S INCORRECT. THE ONLY PERSON THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO VERIFY STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY WOULD BE AN ENGINEER.

NORMALLY, LIKE IN THE CASE, YOU HAVE A BUILDING, IT'S BEEN EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS WITHOUT A ROOF FOR QUITE SOME TIME, WATER INTRUEDS INTO THE CEMENT OR AROUND POTENTIALLY WHERE THE REBAR IS. IF THE ENGINEER COMES AND SAYS, IT LOOKS LIKE IN HIS OPINION, GOOD ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO ATTACH TO OR THEY CAN CONNECT TO IT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. WE WILL NEED TO BE THE ONES TO ACCEPT THE LIE ABILITY, CITY OF FORT PIERCE CAN'T SAY, THE CITY WILL BE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT WILL BE DESIGN OF A

PROFESSIONAL. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. AND THE OTHER THING THAT INTRIGUED ME, LOOKS LIKE A SET OF PRINTS FROM 2018, I DIDN'T SEE REALLY ANCHORED DETAILS OR CONNECTIONS.

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE SET OF PRINTS.

>> I'M NOT, I'M SORRY. >> YOU GO BY DETAILS AND CENTERED DETAILS OF CENTERED ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS.

>> THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. THOMAS, BEFORE HE LEAVES?

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO I'LL ENTERTAIN

DISCUSSION. >> MADAM, MAYOR.

>> YES. >> I'M TORN WITH THIS.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW THE PROJECT COULD MOVED FORWARD, PRESENTED INFORMATION, NEARBY RESIDENTS ARE HAVING AN ISSUE.

I HAVE EVIDENCE THAT WE HAVE PERMITS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN MOVED FORWARD. WE HAVE EVIDENCE THAT THERE'S PROBATE HEARING THAT'S GOING ON, EVEN THOUGH WE CAN TRY TO GUARANTEE THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD.

MY HANG-UP, WE DON'T KNOW, IF IT COULD MOVE FORWARD.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD-FAITH EFFORT, AT THIS POINT.

THE CITY OF FORTH WORTH AND TAXPAYERS HAVE EXTENDED EFFORT AND MONEY TOWARDS THIS. AND I AM JUST NOT SURE IF I CAN GO WITH ANYTHING, EXCEPT FOR WHAT STAFF HAS PRESENTED TONIGHT

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. >> I'M TROUBLED BY THE FACT, THERE'S GOING TO BE WORK DONE BY THIS AND THE TITLE IS NOT CLEAR AND THE WHOLE, THE OWNERSHIP IS NOT CLEAR.

IF THAT WERE CLEARER, I COULD BE WILLING TO GRANT THE EXTENSION.

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>> AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THAT'S WHAT TROUBLES ME ALSO.

AND PROBATE IS A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS.

>> IT DOESN'T TAKE, IT DOESN'T TAKE FEW DAYS, RIGHT?

>> HOWEVER, MS. DARDEN, BY THE WAY, THAT'S THE EXDAUGHTER-IN-LAW, THE YOUNG LADY THAT WAS 102-YEAR-OLD.

>> RIGHT, I RECOGNIZE HER NAME. >> AND MS. DARDEN, HAS INDICATED THAT SHE DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY CHANGED MY MIND BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, I SAW THEY TOOK THE POSITION THAT YOU ALL DID.

IN LIGHT OF THE TWO OF THEM BEING AMEANABLE TO GIVING HIM A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AND THAT'S WHY I QUESTIONED HER ABOUT THAT, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

IT APPEARS, THAT'S WHAT SHE WANTS.

AND SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S SUFFERING MORE THAN ANYONE AND IN TERMS IN PROPERTY IN THE STATE THAT IT'S IN.

SHE'S BEEN SUFFERING FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND SHE'S TIRED.

AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK SHE HAS CONFIDENCE, AND SHE'S WILLING TO GIVE THEM EXTENSION. IF THEY BUILD WHAT I SAW IN THE PLANS, IT WILL LOOK NICE. IT PROBABLY WILL IMPROVE OUR PROPERTY, TOO. THE THING IS, JUST GETTING IT DONE. WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH AND BACK AND FORTH FOR THE LONGEST WITH THIS.

IF SHE LIKES IT, I LOVE IT. IF THEY CAN'T GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER BY THE END, TEAR IT DOWN.

I LOVE SEEING A NEW HOUSE BEING BUILT, ESPECIALLY IN THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. IF THEY ARE ABLE TO PUT THE MONEY INTO IT, AND SHE'S WILLING TO MAKE THE SACRIFICE, IN ORDER TO PUT UP WITH IT FOR A FEW MORE MONTHS, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

>> ANYONE ELSE. >> I SAID, THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF BUILDINGS. AND INSTEAD OF TAKING DOWN THE STRUCTURE, IT WILL BE ALL -- I'M JUST I'M SAYING, WHY IS THE PERMITS, IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO UTILIZE THE

PERMITS. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> I'M TORN, TOO. IT'S SOMETHING I USED TO DO MYSELF. MY PARTNER AND I BOUGHT A LOT OF PROPERTY IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION.

A LOT OF THEM WERE NOT THIS BAD OF SHAPE AND SOME OF THEM DID NOT HAVE ROOFS. WE GOT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WORKED OUR MAGIC AND GOT THEM, IN TAX ROLES AND GOT THEM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I KNOW IT'S CHEAPER AND EASIER, WHEN YOU HAVE STRUCTURE ALREADY THERE AND YOU'RE NOT PAYING IMPACT FEES AND GOING THROUGH THE IMPACT PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN. WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT INFIELD AND TRYING TO BRING THE LEVEL OF THE HOUSING STOCK UP AND WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATION IN THE AVENUE, H AREA AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. I COULD SEE THAT POINT, AND IF I LIVE NEXT TO THE HOUSE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, AND I, TOO, HAVE A 2-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON AND 7-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON.

AND I WOULD BE SCREAMING. I WOULD BE CALLING HIM LIKE EVERY DAY. IS THAT WHAT YOU DID? SO I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES OF IT.

IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CREDIBILITY WITH THE CONTRACTOR CAME FORWARD ON US. I LIKE THE IDEA OF STARTING AND DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACTLY TOMORROW.

IF WE GET SOME ACTIVITY GOING ON THERE, IT'S THE SAME THING.

IF WE WENT AND KNOCKED THE HOUSE DOWN, BUILDING ALL OVER AGAIN, YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE ACTIVITY.

IT'S THE QUESTION OF NO ACTIVITY.

I THINK IF WE FEEL SOMEWHAT GUARANTEED THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN AND THERE'S THE TWO FOLKS BACK THERE THAT WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN HERE, WHAT WE'RE SAYING TONIGHT. YOU WILL NOT GET, ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE EVER. WE'RE HOLDING THAT BAR PRETTY HIGH. SO I'M TAKING A LEAD FROM MY COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONERS.

IF THEY ARE SUPPORTING THIS, SO WILL I.

>> MS. JARDEN, IS SIGNALLING ISSING THAT THAT SHE AND THE

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SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> COMMENT BEFORE WE DO THAT.

THE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND, TOO I THINK THE IMPACT FEES ARE NOT IMPACT FEES UNTIL YOU LET IT SIT DORMANT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE.

I DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER ALL OF THAT.

I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU DECIDED TO CHANGE YOUR HOUSE, I THINK YOU HAVE ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE YOU COULD GET CHARGED NEW FEE.

AND I'LL ASK PETE. HE'LL HAVE TO LOOK IT UP.

AND I JUST REMEMBER THAT. THAT'S NOT AN INFLUENCE IN MY DECISION AT THIS MOMENT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

AND I AN AGREE. THE OTHER THING THAT WORRIES ME AND I LIKE SIX MONTHS. SIX MONTHS IS BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON STARTS. WHEN YOU GET RID OF THE 4TH WALL, YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.

WHEN YOU HAVE A HIGH WIND SCENARIO, IT'S GOING TO CHANGE.

IT'S GOING TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF HIGH WINDS POTENTIALLY, ON ITS OWN; RIGHT? THE STRUCTURE HAS CHANGED, INTEGRITY HAS CHANGED.

I'M COMFORTABLE WITH SIX MONTHS ALSO.

WE HAVE TO HAVE PERMITS PULLED IN SIX MONTHS.

WE HAVE TO START CONNECTING STRUCTURAL MEMBERS BACK 'PLACE, WHETHER IT'S TIDE BEAMS OR REBARS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THING IS SAFE. BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I'LL STOP THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE.

WE WANT TO COME BACK WITH A POSY DOWN THE ROAD, THAT HELPS WITH PICKING UP PROPERTIES THAT ARE, READY TO BE KNOCKED DOWN, THAT SHOULD BE KNOCKED DOWN, MAYBE COME UP WITH INCENTIVES, AND I THINK COMMISSIONER SESSION WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT, AND DISCUSSION OF AVENUE H. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING DOWN THE LINE, THAT WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT, RATHER THAN JUMP AROUND THE RULES AND REGULATIONS, ABOUT IMPACT FEES AND ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. AND I'M REMINDED WITH THE WHOLE THING OF THUMB POINT AND WHAT WE DID WITH THE STRUCTURE, THAT PRETTY MUCH STAYED THE SAME WAY 20 YEARS.

>> AND AFTER PUSHING AS HARD AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AND GETTING TO THIS POINT RIGHT HERE, WE GOT THE ATTENTION OF THE OWNER AND CONTRACTOR AND THAT BUILDING, THAT HOME RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING LIKE IT BELONGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S ALMOST AT THE END, END OF ITS CONSTRUCTION.

SO WE KNOW THAT WORKS. AGAIN, I TAKE THE LEAD FROM DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONERS AND IF THEY ARE SUPPORTING THIS, SO

WILL I. >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR THE APPROVALS OF SIX MONTHS EXTENSION.

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> QUESTION.

>> SIX MONTHS, AND I AGREE. I COULD HELP THEM, TOO, AND THERE'S NO WAY IN THE WORLD, THEY WILL GET IT DONE IN SIX MONTHS. JUST TO START THE PROCESS AND TO BE NOTICEABLE AS FAR AS AND MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY DURING

THAT PERIOD OF TIME. >> YEAH.

>> MAKING UP THE MOTION. >> HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION. WE HAVE TO START THE PROCESS

AGAIN. >> I WOULD THINK, TO SET THE

HEARING. >> OKAY. WHAT WAS YOUR

QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> WHEN WE SAY, TO START THE PROCESS, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS, BUILDING AND PULLING A PERMIT OR HAVING A FIRS INSPECTION, FOR ME IN MY MIND. THAT WAY WE KNOW, SOMETHING IS GOING ON. THEY ARE OUT THERE ON THE SITE AND THEY ARE DOING ACTIVE WORK. FIRST INSPECTION.

>> WHAT ABOUT UTILITIES HOOKUP. UTILITIES.ORG.

>> AND NOT YET, I DON'T THINK. >> AND MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY? I WILL TRY TO ADD A LITTLE CLARITY.

THERE ARE TWO THINGS GOING ON. I WILL ASK IF MS. RAYS HAS TO CLARIFY. THERE'S CONDEMNATION AND DEMOLITION. CONDEMNING THE PROPERTY, BASED ON THE NUISANCE, HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE ISSUE AND THE SUBSEQUENT FOLLOW THROUGH THAT THE CITY WILL GO DEM LISH WHATEVER, AND MAYOR IS SHOWING, SIX MONTH PROCESS, TO AVOID DEMOLITION, MAYBE NOT CONDEMNATION. AND IT MAY NOT BE, IF THE BENCHMARK IS MET. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS ASKING, WHAT WOULD BE AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND HAVE A HEARING.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR, THAT YOU MOVING INTO THE SAME OBJECTIVE STANDARD. AS MS. COX INDICATED, OTHERWISE IT'S CLEAR AS MUD AND WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER HEARING AND REVISIT ALL THE ISSUES. AGAIN, THERE IS AN ACTIVE

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MAYBE ONE OF THE FIRST AND SECOND TIER INSPECTION WILL BE APPROPRIATE WITHIN THE SIX MONTHS.

IT WILL OBVIOUSLY NEED SOME TYPE OF STABILIZED FLOORING.

TYPICALLY, YOU BUILD FROM THE GROUND UP.

I'M NOT THE BUILDING COMMISSIONER.

I DON'T PLAY ONE ON TV. YOU WILL HAVE ROUGH PLUMBING.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS FAMILIAR WITH THE CONTEXT AS WELL.

WORKING IN CONJUNCTION, YOU COULD GET AN OBJECTIVE STANDARD THAT COULD BE MET. THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>> WITH THE MOTION MAKER? >> TO AT LEAST HAVE INCLUDED OR PASSED THE FIRST INSPECTION. SUBJECT TO REVIEW, IF NOT BY THE

COMMISSION. >> CONCUR.

>> WE'RE READY TO VOTE. >> OKAY CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> GENTLEMEN, MAM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MAM.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS? >> YES, MAM.

[b. Resolution No. 20-R55 and Quasi-Judicial Hearing – A hearing to allow the owners and/or parties of interest in the property identified as 712 Avenue E to show cause why the structure located on the premises should not be condemned and demolished.]

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MAM.

>> NEXT, WE HAVE RESOLUTION, DETERMINING A CERTAIN BUILDING OR STRUCTURE LOCATED AT 712 AVENUE E IN FORT PIERCE FLORIDA IS UNSAFE AND CONSTITUTE A MENACE TO THE BUSINESS AND HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.

THAT SAID BUILDING OR STRUCTURE SHALL BE DEMOLISHED, DECLARING PARTIES BE AVAILABLE TO BE HEARD AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BUILDING OF THE STRUCTURE AND ORDERING CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO REPLACE A LIEN, IDENTIFIED, PROVIDING FOR PO, PROVIDING FOR ALL NOTICE OF ALL PARTIES AND PROVIDING FOR ALL EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> HAS THE ADVERTISING HAS BEEN MET?

>> ADVERTISING HAS BEEN MET. >> WILL YOU CHECK FOR EXPARTY

COMMUNICATIONS? >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> NO, MAM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>>? >> NO MAM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO, MAM.

>> WOULD YOU SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES PLEASE.

>> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL.

DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, TELL NOTHING BUT THE

TRUTH? >> THANK YOU

>> YOU MAY PROCEED. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE HERE, TO DECLARE, 712 AVENUE E: THERE IS A MUCH BRIEFER HISTORY WITH THIS ONE.

WE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS BACK IN 2017.

WE ACTUALLY SECURED THE STRUCTURE.

THE CITY BOSHEDED IT UP. HOWEVER, WE CONTINUED TO RECEIVE COMPLAINTS, REGARDING THE ABANDON STRUCTURE AND VAGUE RANTS WERE LIVING IN THE RESIDENTS AND THERE'S DRUG ACTIVITY TAKING PLACE. A PROPERTY INSPECTION REPORT WAS COMPLETED BY THE BUILDING INSPECTO IN JANUARY OF 2020 THIS YEAR AND HE DETERMINED THE BUILDING WAS UNSAFE AND RECOMMENDED DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE.

THE AFFIDAVIT UNSAFE STRUCTURE WAS ISSUED MARCH 5TH, 2020 AND THE TAXES REMAIN UNPAID FOR 2017, 2018, 2019.

AND THE IN THES OF UNSAFE BUILDING, SENT CERTIFIED MAIL, AND IT WAS RETURNED UNCLAIMED. AND THE FOLLOW-UP WAS RETURNED UNCLAIMED. WE DID SEND CERTIFICATES TO THE TAX OWNERS. THIS IS AN ESTATE.

THE OWNER IS DECEASED. WE'VE DONE THE TITLE SEARCH.

WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO LOCATE ANY HEIRS.

WE'VE DONE SOME DUE DILIGENCE TO FIND SOMEONE WHO HAS INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY. WHICH IS INDICATED, WHEN THE TAXES ARE NOT PAID. IT IS NOT HOMESTEADED.

WE ARE UNAWARE OF ANY ATTEMPTS. THERE'S NO COACTIVE ENFORCEMENTS AT THIS TIME. IT IS A HISTORIC PROPERTY.

IT HAS GONE THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND THEY HAVE APPROVED THE DEMOLITION OF THE STRUCTURE.

THERE ARE NO UTILITIES AND WE DID COMPLETE THE TITLE SEARCH.

THIS IS THE STRUCTURE AS IT STANDS.

THIS IS THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE.

YOU COULD SEE WHERE THE BOARD UP OF THE DOOR HAS BEEN REMOVED.

THIS IS THE FLOOR. THIS IS NOT IN GOOD CONDITION.

AND THESE ARE SOME SHOTS, THE LEFT SHOT IS THE INTERIOR FROM THE REAR. THE MIDDLE PICTURE IS ACTUALLY FROM THE FRONT AND THEN YOU COULD SEE ON THE THIRD PICTURE

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IT IS ALSO, DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE PRESCHOOL.

WE HAVE CHILDREN IN THE AREA AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BEEN CALLING THE CITY PRETTY ROUTINELY ABOUT THE PROPERTY.

AND, AGAIN, THE THREE ACTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION, YOU COULD APPROVE THE DEMOLITION. YOU COULD AMEND THE RESOLUTION OR YOU COULD DENY IT ON ITS ENTIRETY.

WE WILL PROVIDE 30 DAYS APPEAL. THIS IS HISTORIC, AND WE WENT TO HISTORIC PRESERVATION, TO GET OPINION ON THE MATTER.

FOLLOWING THE APPEAL PERIOD, WE SEND A FINAL NOTICE TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES AND THEN, IF NEED BE, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE DEMOLITION. THAT'S ALL.

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE'S -- WAS THERE AN APPLICANT OR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR A MOTION

>> MADAM MAYOR >> YES, COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> I'M SURE THIS WAS DIFFICULT FOR THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE.

I LOOK AT THE HOUSE AND THIS IS WHAT ALL HOUSES LOOK LIKE BACK THEN BEFORE AIR CONDITIONING. IT WAS THE WAY WE LIVED IN FLORIDA AND IT'S JUST REALLY A SHAME THAT THIS HAS BEEN LET GO SO BAD. I AGREE IT'S TO THE POINT, WHERE IT WOULDN'T BE WORTH SALVAGING, BUT I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE HISTORICAL COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO SAY TEAR

IT DOWN. >> RIGHT.

THEY HAVE A HARD TIME DOING THAT.

>> THIS IS A WAY WE DID IT. THIS IS THE NEW STYLE, AIR CONDITIONING, AIR FLOWED UNDERNEATH THE HOUSE AND ABOVE IT AND ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. IT WAS THE COOLEST WAY YOU COULD STAY. NOT ANYMORE, BUT IT IS THE WAY YOU LIVED COMFORTABLY BACK THEN. SO WITH THAT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION

TO APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> ANY DISCUSSION. CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS >> YES, MA'AM.

[c. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Application for Conditional Use with New Construction submitted by property owner, Yes Sandhill Exp, LLC, and Representative Lucido & Associates, to development & operate a Manufactured Home Park with 202 home sites at 3030 South US Highway 1 in Fort Pierce, FL. The property is zoned Medium Density Residential (R-4). Parcel ID: 2422-344-0001-000-6.]

>> MAYOR HUD SOUTHERN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> WE HAVE A QUASY JUDICIAL HEARING, WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY OWNER, YES, SAND HILL EXP, LLC, AND REFTIVE LUCIDO & ASSOCIATES TO DEVELOPMENT AND OPERATE A MANUFACTURED HOME PARK WITH 202 HOME SITES AT 3030 SOUTH U.S.

HIGHWAY 1 IN FORT PIERCE FLORIDA.

THE PROPERTY IS ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

>> HAS THE ADVERTISING BEEN MET? >> THE ADVERTISING HAS BEEN MET.

>> WOULD YOU CHECK FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING EXPARTY.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> I DON'T BELIEVE, NO MAM.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS >> NO, MAM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO MA'AM.

>> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH

AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH RJT? >> NO.

>> THANK YOU. PROCEED.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, IS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, DESIGNER REVIEW, PROPERTY, LOCATED AT 3030, SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 31.

THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY, IS RM, MEDIUM RE RESID RESIDENTIAL.

AND THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS FOR A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW, DESIGN REVIEW FOR OPERATION OF A MANUFACTURED HOME DEVELOPMENT, WITH 202 HOME SITES. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF WELFARE. IT WAS PREVIOUSLY A.

BOARD VOTED 7-0, WITH APPROVALS. THE SITE PLAN WILL CONSIST OF A SITE HOUSE. IN THE HOUSE, WILL BE A POOL, PATIO AND OUTDOOR KITCHEN, ACTIVE PLAY AREA AND HALF COURT BASKETBALL COURTS. AND ON SITE, THERE WILL BE TWO

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THIS IS AN IDEA. CURRENTLY, THERE'S A BUILDING THAT DOES STAND IN THE PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY, AND BUILDING WILL BE RETROFITTED WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN TONIGHT.

16 LETTERS WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS 15 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE ONLY LETTER, ST. LUCIE'S COUNTY, THEY WILL SEE A CONNECTION TO THE SAVANNAH, AND INTERNAL WALKING PATHS, THAT ARE CONTAINED.

THE PLANNING BOARD, 2020 MEETING, VOTED 7-0, AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ONE CONDITION, LANDSCAPE BOND WILL BE PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF THE OCCUPANCY TO THE CLUBHOUSE, PURSUANT TO CITY CODE 1-316. POSSIBLE ACTIONS IS TO APPROVE THE CONDITION USE WITH NEW DESIGNER VIEW WITH NO CHANGES, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE COMMISSION AND PLANNING APPROVAL. AND YOU COULD APPROVE WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSAL.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> MY QUESTION OF CONCERN, THIS ADDRESS, 3,000 BLOCK SECTION OF U.S. 1, WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH PEDESTRIANS CROSSING AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT 200 HOMES HERE, WITH TWO PARKING, TWO CARS.

WHERE'S THE TRAFFIC LIGHT? THEY'VE BEEN -- ISN'T THAT

ADJACENT TO -- >> THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT

THE FRONT. >> AND WHERE IS THAT?

RAILROAD TRACK? >> CORNER OF U.S. 1 AND EDWARDS.

>> EDWARDS, IS THAT FAR? >> YEAH, THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY A MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY ON THE SITE BACK IN THE MID 2000S.

>> AND HAVE MORE HOME SITES. >> AND OKAY.

>> I'LL CALL THE AREA NOW. OKAY. BUT, AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO -- WE HAD A TRAFFIC STUDY ON THIS?

>> IT DIDN'T NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY BECAUSE IT WAS PROPOSING LESS HOME SITES THAN WAS ON. AND IT WAS LESS THAN WHAT THEY

PREVIOUSLY HAD. >> YOU DON'T FEEL ANY CONCERN WITH -- WHAT'S GOING TO SLOW UP THE TRAFFIC.

U.S. 1 IS CRAZY NOW AS IT IS. OKAY. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION OF CONCERN. THAT'S IT FOR ME.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

RELATED TO PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY ALSO.

I LOOKED AT THE PLANS. WHAT KIND OF CONSTRUCTION IS OR WHAT KIND OF CONNECTIVITY IS GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTED TO CONNECT THE PEDESTRIANS TO U.S. HIGHWAY 1 OR EDWARDS ROAD, WHICH

EVER SO CHOOSE. >> SO CURRENTLY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE'S A SIDEWALK AND THE FRONT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT TRAVERSE HIGHWAY 1. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CROSSWALKS THAT THE DOT HAS GOING ACROSS THE ROADWAY?

>> HOW ABOUT EAST AND WEST? I THINK THERE'S A CROSSWALK GOING EAST TO WEST ALONG -- CROSSING U.S. 1.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FOLKS INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT? I DON'T RECALL SIDEWALKS INTERNALLY AT THE INTERSECTION.

I KNOW WE WERE GOING TO CONSTRUCT THEM.

YOU SAID TODAY, THEY WILL CONSTRUCT FOUR FOOT SIDEWALKS.

ARE THEY GOING TO CONSTRUCT U.S. 1?

>> NOT IN THE CURRENT PLAN. YOU COULD PUT, APPROVAL ON THE

PROJECT. >> IN ADDITION TO THAT, AT THE INTERSECTION, IS THAT CONNECTING ROADWAY INTERSECTION ON THE DEVELOPERS SIDE GOING TO BE IMPROVED WITH AN OVERLAY, NEW ASPHALT, REPAINTING OF CROSSWALKS?

WHAT WILL HAPPEN THERE? >> THAT WAS NOT REQUESTED BY THE D.O.T. THE D.O.T. IS PART OF THE TRC, DID HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THE PROJECT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE

ANY COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT >> OKAY. I'LL WAIT FOR THE

APPLICANT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF

STAFF BEFORE THEY ARE EXCUSED. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR.

BRIAN OWEN, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. PROCEED.

>> I DO HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION THAT WE CAN RUN

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THROUGH, IF WE COULD. >> READY?

>> THANK YOU, IS THIS WORKING? >> I COULD HELP YOU OUT

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> IT'S WORKING.

ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT SITE AND ITS LOCATION AGAIN.

IT WAS A MANUFACTURED HOME COMMUNITY THAT SUSTAINED MAJOR DAMAGE IN THE HURRICANES OF THE EARLY TO MID-2000'S.

AND YES, COMMUNITIES PICKED IT UP.

THEY ALSO OWN SAND HILL SHORES DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF HERE.

THIS IS THEIR SISTER COMMUNITY. AND I HAVE TO SAY, THAT THEY DID A WONDERFUL JOB DOWN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU BEEN TO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE NICE WITH A NICE CLUBHOUSE AND EVERYTHING. I WAS PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH IT.

AND THE BASIC SITE DATA, IT'S 202 UNITS.

I THINK IT WAS ORIGINALLY 207 UNITS, BASED ON WHAT WE CAN TELL BASED ON AERIAL IMAGERY. SO IN TERMS OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO REHAB THE EXISTING UTILITIES.

THE PROJECT ENGINEER, HENRY VALK, HAD A PREAPP, WITH FPWAY THIS AFTERNOON, ON WATER WASTE WATER, ELECTRIC GAS AND THAT WE ALSO HAVE LOCAL PLUMBING MEETS PLUMBING IS GOING TO DO A FULL INSPECTION OF THE UNDERGROUND, IF THEY DIDN'T START ALREADY.

WE'LL MAIL AND RESURFACE THE INTERNAL DRIVEWAYS.

THERE ARE MINIMUM 20 FOOT PAVEMENT.

THEY VARY A LITTLE BIT. THOSE WILL BE MILLED AND RESU RESURFACED.

WE WILL INSTALL BUILDING PADS AND ANCHORING SYSTEMS, TO CURRENT CODES FOR THE HOMES. WE ARE GOING TO INSTALL FOUR FOOT CONCRETE SIDEWALKS, ALONG AT LEAST ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WE ARE BOUND A LITTLE BIT BY THE EXISTING WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT AND OUR CIVIL ENGINEER COULD SPEAK MORE ABOUT THAT.

WE WERE ABLE TO CUT SOME OF THE EXISTING IMPERVIOUS SO WE CAN PROVIDE A SIDEWALK AND CONNECT A LEVEL OF ACTIVITY.

WE ARE COLLECTING TO THE SIDEWALK, THERE'S AN EXISTING SIDEWALK RUNNING NORTH AND SOUTH.

I THINK THERE'S A CROSSWALK THAT GOES ACROSS U.S. 1 AND EDS WARDS. WE HAVE A PREAPPLICATION MEETING WITH FDOT. THEY APPROVED US INITIALLY ON THE CONVEYANCE. THERE'S TWO PARCELS OF LAND, BETWEEN THE WESTBOUNDRY LINE. AND THE COUNTY OWNS THE SLITHER AND THE CITY OWNS A SLITHER. THE CITY CLERK DID A WONDERFUL JOB IN HELPING US PIECE TOGETHER THAT WHOLE STRING OF TITLE.

RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY IS WORKING ON THEIR END.

SO WE'RE KIND OF BEHOLDEN TO OUTSIDE FORCES BUT WE DID GET CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON THAT. SO WE MAY BE COMING BACK TO STAFF AND HAVING SOME COORDINATION EFFORTS, BECAUSE D.O.T. WANTS THAT LAND. BECAUSE THEIR SIGNAL CABINETS, SWITCH CABINETS AND STUFF ARE IN THE PARCELS.

WE WILL ALSO BE INSTALLING STREET LIGHTING.

WE HAVE CAM CONSULTING THAT DOES A LOT OF WORK HERE IN THE CITY DOING OUR LIGHTING AND PHOTO METRICS.

WE ARE RENOVATING THE EXISTING AMENITY, ABOUT A 3,000 SQUARE FOOT EXISTING CLUBHOUSE. WE HAVE RENDERINGS ON THAT.

WE WILL DO A NEW POOL PATIO, ACTIVE PLAY AREA, SMALL OUTDOOR KITCHEN, JUST SOUTH OF THE COMMUNITY SOUTH OF US.

WE ARE FOCUSING A LOT OF OUR LANDSCAPE TREATMENT IN THAT AMENITY AREA, BECAUSE IT'S ADJACENT TO U.S. 1.

WE WILL WANT TO PRESENT A NICE AESTHETIC APPEAL.

WE WILL PROVIDE A BUFFER BETWEEN THE ROAD AND US.

WE ALSO, OUR BUFFERED PRETTY HEAVILY BY EXISTING VEGETATION ON THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE. OUR EAST PROPERTY LINE IS THE SAVANNAH'S PRESERVE. THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, WE WILL BE AMENDING THE BUFFER. ONCE IT IS RESERVED, IT WILL LEAVE SOME HOLES. THEN AGAIN, IT'S OUR SISTER COMMUNITY TO THE SOUTH. WE DON'T WANT TO SHUT THE DOOR ON THEM EITHER. WE DID GO TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TO TACKLE EARLY IN THE PROCESS WAS THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH THE BIT OF AN ANTIQUATED CODE BECAUSE THE CODE HAS NOT BEEN VISITED SINCE THE 70S AND EARLY 80S.

THE MATERIALS AND METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION HAS CHANGED A GREAT DEAL SINCE THEN. AND WE ARE FORTUNATE AND

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SO WE GRANTED, THEY GRANTED US FOUR VARIANCES.

AGAIN, THE SITE PLANNED, AND ENTERING OFF U.S. 1 THROUGH AN EXISTING ACCESS, ACROSS ACCESS, AGREEMENT OF THE OWNER, I THINK IT'S A CINERCO GAS STATION TO THE SOUTH.

>> MR. JOHNSON. >> COULD I INTERJECT.

THAT'S A GOOD SLIDE. THAT'S ACROSS EASEMENT ONLY, NOT THE CITY RIGHT OF WAY COMING INTO THE PROPERTY?

>> RIGHT. YOU SEE THE DASH, IRREGULARLY SHAPED DASH, IN AGREEMENT WITH THE CINERCO GAS STATION.

YOU COULD SEE HOW MUCH DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EDGE OF PAYMENT AND THE WEST PROPERTY LINE. THERE'S TWO SLITHERS THAT THE COUNTY AND CITY OWNS. YOU SEE THE EXISTING WET RETENTION POND AND CENTER THERE. WE ARE GOING TO GET THAT CLEANED UP, PUT A PATH AROUND IT. MAYBE SOME BENCHES.

WE HAVE PLANS FOR AN OBSERVATION DECK OR SOMETHING FOR IT TO BE AN AMENITY. WE ALSO, ARE WORKING, HAVE STARTED INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY TO CONNECT TO THE SAVANNAHS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE.

THAT APPEARS TO HAVE NOT BE AS SIMPLE AS I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT.

THEY LOOK AT IT WITH A WHOLE DIFFERENT LENS, WHICH I RESPECT.

WE ARE CONTINUING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

I ACTUALLY WANTED TO LEAVE IT OUT OF THIS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT IT TO HOLD UP. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROJECT, STAND ALONE. JUST KNOW, WE ARE WORKING WITH

THE COUNTY TO TRY TO CONNECT. >> SANDHILL SHORES HAVE A

CONNECTION >> THEY DO NOT.

ON THAT, MADAM MAYOR, IT'S STARTING A BROADER CONVERSATION.

THERE'S A BROADER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ADJACENT TO.

YOU COULD GO GATOR TRAYS. THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS ADJACENT TO THE SAVANNAHS, THAT HAVE NO ACCESS.

WE'RE TRYING TO CRACK THAT NUT AND SEE HOW WE CAN ACCOMMODATE

THAT AND GET THE ACCESS. >> YOU'RE NOT FAR AWAY FROM THE

GREENWAY TRAIL? >> THAT'S THE THING.

WE JUST NEED TO GET TOO IT. IF YOU COULD REMEMBER, WE HAVE CARROT POINT, IN RAULS ROAD. THAT WAS A PLOT OF EASEMENT.

THAT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THIS IS A DIFFERENT BEAST.

YOU COULD SEE HERE, OUR BEEFED UP AMENITY, WITH THE LANDSCAPE TREATMENTS. AS YOU COULD SEE, THEY OPTED TO GO. THEY DIDN'T HOLD BACK MUCH, WHICH WE LIKE TO SEE. IT'S REVAMPING THE SITE.

I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A GREAT THING.

WE HAVE BRENTWOOD, LOCAL ARCHITECT, WHO DOES A LOT OF WORK IN THE CITY. HAS GENERATED SOME CONCEPTIONAL, RENDERINGS FOR US, TO GET THE LOOK AND THE FEEL OF IT.

THAT'S THE FRONT ELEVATION. WE GAVE THEM A LOT OF LIBERTY, BASICALLY SAID, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

THIS IS WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. THE OWNERS REALLY LIKE IT.

I DO LIKE TO INCLUDE A TIME LINE.

SO THE COMMISSION COULD SEE KIND OF WHAT WE GO THROUGH ALONG THE PROCESS. YOU COULD SEE, WE HAD A PREOPT MEETING, JANUARY 29TH. SIX MONTHS LATER, WE MADE THE INITIAL SUBMITTAL. NOT EVEN A MONTH LATER, WE WENT TO TRC. THEN WE HAVE A PREOPT MEETING WITH DOT. WE HAD A BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING AND NOW NOVEMBER WE'RE HERE.

PRETTY SEAMLESS, PRETTY CLEAN REVIEW PROCESS, GIVEN WE HAD A PREAPT MEETING WITH DISTRICT 4 AND WENT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> THAT'S A GOOD TIME LINE.

>> IF WE CAN DO THAT ALL THE TIME, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> AND OUR STAFF WAS VERY COOPERATIVE, I TAKE IT?

>> THERE WERE A FEW ITEMS THAT STAFF BROUGHT UP THAT WE DIDN'T THOUGHT OF. ONE OF THEM WAS THE SIDEWALKS, WE THOUGHT WE WERE BOUND WITH OUR PERMIT RESTRICTIONS.

THEY BROUGHT IT UP. WE FOUND A WAY TO DO IT.

ANOTHER THING, THE STAFF, I THINK WE KIND OF ARRIVED TOGETHER WAS THE CONNECTION TO THE GREENWAY, TO COUNTY'S GREEN WAY, THE SAVANNAHS. SO YEAH, THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH AND DIALOGUE THAT GOES ON BEFORE WE SUBMIT.

AND HAVING A PREAPPLICATION MEETING, AS YOU COULD SEE EARLY

IN THE PROCESS, IS KEY TO THAT. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

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>> IS THIS A SENIOR CITIZEN DEVELOPMENT?

>> THIS IS NOT AGE RESTRICTED. >> IT'S NOT A --

>> HAVE YOU CONSIDERED A SCHOOL BOARD, BUS STOPS?

>> WE DID. THAT WAS A DANGLING ITEM FROM PLANNING BOARDMENT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP.

WE DID COORDINATE WITH MR. SANDERS.

I BELIEVE WE COPIED THIS OFFMEISTERS IN THE DISCUSSIONS.

WE'RE AMENDABLE TO THE APPROVAL, TO ALLOW THE BUSES TO COME IN OUT OF U.S. 1. WE DON'T WANT THE CHILDREN TO PICK UP ON U.S. 1 EITHER. WE SEE THE BUSES, AT VARIOUS POINTS DURING THE DAY THEY GET SOME GAS STATIONS AND GET SOME FOOD. THERE'S ACTUALLY GOOD SANDWICHES IN THERE. WE KNOW THE BUSES COULD GO IN AND OUT. WE MAY HAVE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT OF PAVEMENT TO DO A U-TURN OR THEY HAVE TO COME FROM THE COMMUNITY AND BACK OUT. THAT'S NOT GATED EITHER.

THAT WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE. .

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

THE OTHER THING, IS ABOUT GOLF CARTS.

I WAS BEING LOOING HOW THE DRIVEWAYS WERE ALIGNED.

I AM SURE THERE'S GOING TO BE GOLF CARTS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY HAVE TO COME OUT TO THE EASEMENT AREA, WITH THE GOLF CART TO GO TO THE CLUBHOUSE. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT AT ALL?

>> I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE ANYTHING IN THE EASEMENT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD PRO CLUED A GOLF CART.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONT CONTEMPLATED A GOLF CART.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S SOMETHING IN THAT PREDICAMENT THAT WILL

USE THE GOLF CART. >> MAYBE SOMETHING FROM THE TRAFFIC, FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH.

>> AS LONG AS YOU MAINTAIN THE MEDIUM.

>> AND I THINK THEY GET A RIGHT, AND TO GET TO THE CLUB.

WE HAVE NO PLANS OF REMOVING THE MEDIUMS AT ALL.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO RESPECTFULLY RESERVE THE RIGHT OF REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED.

>> ABSOLUTELY. IF NEEDED.

YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT AND I WOULD HAVE CALLED YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, I THINK THERE'S NOTHING TO REBUT; RIGHT? AND WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE WITH STAFF'S 1 CONDITION.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. >> CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YES, MAM.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YES, MA'AM.

[d. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Application for Conditional Use with New Construction submitted by property owners, John & Suzanne Hofer, and Representative William P. Stoddard, to construct a single family home seaward (east) of the Coastal Construction Control Line (CCCL) that will be up to 32.82 feet in height from FEMA Based Flood Elevation on an unaddressed parcel along Surfside Drive in Fort Pierce, FL. The property is zoned Single Family Low Density Residential (R-1). Parcel ID: 2412-501-0123-000-7.]

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MAM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES.

>> SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY OWNERS, JOHN AND SUZANNE HOFER TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY SEA WARD, OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE, THAT WILL BE UP TO 32.82 FEET IN HEIGHT FROM FEMAA BASED FLOOD ELEVATION ON AN UNADDRESSED PARCEL ALONGSIDE SURFSIDE DRIVE IN FORT PIERCE.

HAS THE ADVERTISING BEEN CHECKED.

>> WOULD YOU CHECK FOR EXPARTY COMMUNICATION?

>> WOULD BE HAPPY TO. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> NO, MAM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS

>> NO, MAM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> WOULD YOU NOW SWEAR IN THE

WITNESSES, PLEASE. >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEMS, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE

TRUTH >>.

>> BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, IS COMMISSIONER USE, AND DESIGN REVIEW, FOR PARCEL LOCATED IN SURFSIDE DRIVE.

THIS PROPERTY IS SEA WARD OF THE COASTAL CONTROL LINE AND SUBJECT TO THE OUR USE COMMISSIONER APPROVAL.

AND FUTURE LAND USE, IS CURRENTLY LL LAND, WITH ZONING OF R1 LOW DENSITY. THE REQUEST IS DESIGN REVIEW OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME, SEA WARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE AND FOR THE CON VUKS TO BE BUILD 32.82 FEET IN HEIGHT. AND IS CONSISTENT AND IT DOESN'T ADVERSELY AFFECT THE SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE.

IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE COASTAL.

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AS YOU COULD SEE TOTAL HEIGHT, WILL BE 37.22 FEET APPROXIMATELY AND FROM FEMA BASED FLOOD ELEVATION IT WILL BE 32.82 FEET IN HEIGHT. IT'S JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA HOW THE SITE WILL BE CONFIGURED. IT DOES COMPLY WITH THE SETBACK AND LOT COVERAGE RIRMS AND THERE WILL BE TWO DRIVEWAYS THAT MEET THE RIRM OF 40 FEET APART. AND IT'S JUST A PICTURE OF WHAT THE HOME WILL BE LOOK LIKE UPON COMPLETION.

AND 35 LETTERS WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. WE RECEIVED ONE COMMENT, OWNER WAS NOT IN FAVOR OF THE CONDITIONS BEING APPROVED.

I DID RECEIVE FOUR OTHER COMMENTS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE APPROVING OF THE DESIGN AND THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME CONSTRUCTION. THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED 7-0, TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS PRESENTED.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO ONE, OBTAIN APPROVAL, SEA WARD CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES COULD COMMENCE. POSSIBLE ACTIONS BY THE CITY COMMISSIONER IS TO APPROVE THE DESIGN AND REVIEW WITH NO CHANGES, STAFF REMAIN APPROVAL AND PLANNING RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. YOU COULD APPROVE WITH CHANGES OR YOU COULD DISAPPROVE. I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

IF YOU ARE THE APPLICANT, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

>> YES, MA'AM. JEFF MARQUETTE.

NOT BILL STODDARD. HE'S A LITTLE SKINNIER THAN I AM. I AM HERE WITH MR. HOFER TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU WITH STAFF.

HOPEFULLY THAT COVERS IT. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> I DON'T KNOW AS WELL, AS BILL

>> TRY. THERE'S JUST BEEN A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOOD TALK ABOUT IT. IT'S BEEN A NICE SIGN IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

>> AND SINCE 2004. >> WELL, THE CITY APPRECIATES ALL YOUR TAX MONEY THAT HAS GONE TO THAT.

AND THE INTENT OF THE HOME IS FOR RESIDENTS.

>> AND WERE YOU BOTH SWORN IN? >> YES, MA'AM, WE WERE.

>> ALL RIGHT. FINE.

NO, THAT'S RIGHT. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD,

SO WE KNOW YOU'RE HERE. >> JOHN HOFER, 2590 GLENWOOD

TRAIL. >> FOR NOW.

I WILL BE ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. I LIVE DOWN THE STREET.

I'VE BEEN RUNNING PAST THE SIGN AND WE'RE EXCITED.

I WAS RUNNING ONE DAY WITH MY WIFE.

THE WAY THE HOUSE WAS BUILT WITH STAIRWAY, GARAGE OVER THERE, AND IT'S A PERFECT HOUSE FOR US DEAR.

YOU LIVE ON THE NORTH SIDE AND I LIVE --

>> BE CAREFUL >> MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

I WANTED TO ASK A THE QUESTION TO ALEVE ANY OF THE CONCERNS.

YOU'RE GOING TO FIND, YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL WELCOME YOU INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE AN ELECTIC GRUN -- GROUP OF PEOPLE, BUT WE APPRECIATE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THAT PLACE A

NICER PLACE TO LIVE. >> IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME COMING

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER THINGS YOU WANT TO SAY BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> NO, MAM. >> THANK YOU.

>> I'VE NEVER EVEN MET BILL. >> ALL RIGHT.

AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. >> RIGHT.

>> WITH CONDITIONS, YES. >> AND CALL THE ROLL.

>> MR. ALEXANDER? >> YES.

>> MR. JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MAM.

[a. Consideration of the unsolicited proposal for the Waste Water Treatment Facility submitted by FCC Aqualia USA Corporation. ]

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS >> YES, MAM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON, YES. >> AND TREATMENT SMITTY FCC

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AQUALIA USA CORPORATION. >> MR. NIMS, IS THIS YOUR ITEM.

AND I DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION, BUT I'M SIMPLY GOING TO DISCUSS WITH YOU WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY I SEE THAT WE DID HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSIONER, WITH REGARDS WITH THE ISSUE. ONE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS, WAS EVA ARNESS AND REPRESENTS FCC AQUALIA BUT SHE HAD TO GO HOME. UNFORTUNATELY, SHE COULDN'T BE HERE TO EXPLAIN HER PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT SHE IS ABLE TO DO FOR

OUR COMMUNITY. >> YOU DO HAVE.

>> WE HAVE ONE SLIDE. ONE SLIDE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY, CITY OF FORTH WORTH HAS RECEIVED AN INTEREST TO ENTER A PARTNERSHIP FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION AND MANAGEMENT OF A WATER FACILITY PLANT, AND WILL RESULT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE LAST 15-20 YEARS.

IT'S THE RELOCATION OF THE TREATMENT PLANT COMMITTEE AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL STIR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR CITY. THE CRE AND WASTE PLANT HAD THE ABILITY TO REVIEW, AND BASED ON STATE GUIDELINES, DOESN'T MEET THE GUIDELINES FOR AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL.

THEREFORE, WE HAVE GIVEN YOU TWO OPTIONS, NOT ACCEPT THE UNSOLICITED APPROVAL BASED ON THE GUIDELINES OR WAVE THE GUIDELINES TO INITIATE THE COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS TO RELOCATE THE WASTE WATER FACILITY.

AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE HIGHEST PRIORITY WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. OUR COMMUNITY HAS GONE THROUGH SEVERAL PLANNING EXERCISES, IN CLUEING THE SHER IT BACK IN 2012 AND 2013. ONE OF THE MOST OVERWHELMING OF THE ABUNDANT OPINIONS, THAT THEY WANT TO SEE IT MOVED BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. WE SAID IT IN THE ROOM.

>> WE WANT THE SAME THING. >> AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT FROM -- THERE'S CERTAIN PERSPECTIVES, WE CAN LOOK AT THIS.

THERE'S THE FPUA AND COUNTY PERSPECTIVE.

RIGHT NOW THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY AND FPUA RECENTLY COMPLETED A FEASIBILITY STUDY. THEY PAID A HANDSOME AMOUNT FOR THE CONSULTANT TO RELOCATE THE FACILITY.

AND THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE LOCATION WAS AT THE ST. LOUIS, TREASURE COAST INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, BUT THAT WAS DEEMED TO BE THE LEAST OF THE FEASIBLE OPPORTUNITIES.

THIS DOES OCCUR, WE WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW WE GET THERE, HOW WE COME TOGETHER AS A REGIONAL, AND IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SHARED, CERTAIN SECTOR OF THE UTILITY, TO GOVERN ONE PARTICULAR PLANT AND WE HAVE NOT EVEN HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE COUNTY, NOR THE FPUA, DUE TO OUR, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTED MEETING, GUIDELINES, DUE TO THE CORONAVIRUS.

AND THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE IS GO TO LOOK THROUGH IT THROUGH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THIS IS TIME TO GET THIS MOVING.

IN MY VIEW AS YOUR CITY MANAGER AND THE DIRECTOR OF THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, IT'S TIME FOR US TO TAKE CHARGE OF THE SITUATION. AND IF A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP WILL GET US MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, LET'S EXPLORE IT. I'M NOT SAYING LET'S DO IT TONIGHT, BUT AT LEAST LET'S EXPLORE IT.

>> YES, SIR >> AND MR. ALEXANDER.

>> AND HEARD JOHN. >> HEARD JOHN.

>> AND IS HE SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO

ACCEPT ANY -- >> YOU DON'T WANT TO GET ME INTO

IT. >> NO, I WANT TO BE PERFECTLY UNDERSTOOD ON SOMEONE IS TELLING THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WHERE

THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO. >> YES, SIR, IN MY RESPONSE TO THAT, YOU FIVE ARE THE ELECTED BODY AND THE GOVERNING ENTITY OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE INTEREST

OF THE COMMUNITY. >> YOU NEED TO SEND A MEMO.

>> AND YOU ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY.

IT IS FOR THE USE AND FPUA, BUT YOU ARE THE OWNERS.

YOU REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF THE OWNERS.

WE HAVE TO SPUR THIS ALONG. JOHN, HE HAS A NICE OPINION BUT

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HE JUST STATED HIS OPINION. IT'S UP TO YOU TO DETERMINE THE

PARCEL AND THIS ENTIRE AREA >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? > THANK YOU. NICK, YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS UP THERE ON THE SCREEN. IT'S WAVING GUIDELINES, INITIATE

COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS. >> YES.

>> SO TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT THE STATE SAYS ABOUT OPTING TO

NUMBER TWO. >> THE STATE GIVES THE ENTITY, THIS AGENCY THE ABILITY TO WAVE THE GUIDELINES THAT THEY HAVE SET TO DETERMINE THIS AS AN UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL.

THIS DOESN'T MEET THE PROPOSAL CRITERIA, BECAUSE THERE'S NO FINANCIAL DATA ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSAL.

BUT WE CAN WAVE THOSE GUIDELINES AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WANT TO EXPLORE THIS. WE WANT TO GET THE FINANCIAL DATA. WE WANT TO GET THE SPECIFICATIONS. WE WANT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

YOU AS THE PUBLIC ENTITY, AND GOVERNING BODY, COULD SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. WE CAN SAY THIS UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL, WILL SERVE AS THE IMPETUS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WAY, WE CAN EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY.

>> RIGHT. AND I APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION. AND IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THINK COULD RUN IF PARALLEL WITH THE DISCUSSIONS AND TALKS WITH ST.

LUCIE COUNTY AND COMING TOGETHER AS A COLABRATION?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> WE CAN RUN THIS IN PARALLEL?

>> ABSOLUTELY IN FACT, IN PARALLEL WITH THE CONDITIONS, OUR STAFF IS WORKING WITH COUNTY STAFF AND FPUA STAFF TO SEEK GRANTS FOR THE RELOCATION OF THE FACILITY AS WELL. WE'RE SEARCHING EVERY POSSIBLE AVENUE. THIS IS A PRIORITY AND WE HAVE NOT SEEN MUCH MOVEMENT AND AS TIME, WE CAN GET THIS GOING.

>> TIE THAT IN FOR ME THE CHARRETTE FOR THE WESTERN PENINSULA. WE HAD A CONVERSATION, OH, GOSH, I DON'T REMEMBER, DURING COVID. IT WAS NOT PRECOVID.

>> FEW MONTHS. >> AND THE WESTERN PENINSULA.

IS THAT COMING BACK TO US TO DO SOMETHING?

WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THAT? >> MATTER OF FACT -- JEN IS NOT HERE RIGHT NOW. JEN HOFMEISTER, HAS BEEN TASKED WITH LOOKING AT THE ISLAND, ALSO STATE ROAD 81A, TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD, NOT ONLY THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR. AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN FACED WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND WE COULD NO LONGER PERMIT OR APPROVE THE CORRIDOR. I BELIEVE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO NOW, IS IDENTIFY WHAT WE CAN DO, ALONG THE PENINSULA AND ALSO DETERMINE, I GUESS AN IMP IMPROVED -- WHERE WE LOOK AT THE MOBILITY PLAN AND ELIMINATE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENT BUT YES, JEN HOFMEISTER IS ON THIS. SHE TALKED TO THE MAYOR ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE MET WITH THE CONSULTANT

TO GET THIS MOVING. >> WE WILL SEE THAT SOME TIME SOON BUT IT WILL BE MORE COMPREHENSIVE THAN WHAT WE

DISCUSSED THE LAST TIME? >> YES.

WE CAN LOOK AT THE 2012 PLAN, YES, WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT.

WE NEED TO UPDATE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND LOOK AT THE GROWTH, THE EXPECTED GROWTH, NEW DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

WE HAVE TO LOOK, IN MORE MODERNIZED APPROACH.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS

DOING. >> THANK YOU.

BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AND WE START TALKING D.O.T., THAT'S THEIR BRIDGE; RIGHT? WHEN WE START TO FORMULATE A PLAN FOR THE WESTERN PENINSULA, WE START FORMULATING A PLAN FOR ALL OF THE ISLAND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, NOW, WE'RE THROWING IN THE MIX.

WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THIS REALITY, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

THAT'S IMPORTANT. THAT'S IMPORTANT, FOR -- IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US, AS A COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR PARCEL IN ADDITION TO THE NORTH SIDE OF 81 HP A, WHICH IS THE COUNTY OWNED PARCEL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND I AGREE WITH YOU.

YOU KNOW, I LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH WHAT FPUA HAS DONE WITH THE COUNTY. I APPRECIATE IT.

IT'S GOOD INFORMATION. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK IT'S A LOSS CAUSE. IT'S NOT.

IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT. IF WE CAN MOVE IT ALONG IN PARALLEL OR CONJUNCTION WITH WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, WE'RE DOING SOME GOOD. WE TALKED ABOUT IT A LONG TIME.

YOU SAID 15-20 YEARS. >> I WILL SAY, AT LEAST 22.

>> I KNOW IT'S 18. >> I DO, TOO.

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OF FORT PIERCE. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. PERONA? >> EQUALITY HAS BEEN ALONG FOR A LONG TIME. MANY, MANY TIMES, IT'S A POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR THE ISSUE. WHEN WE -- AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT LOOKING AT THE NEW OPPORTUNITIES.

ONE THING, I STEPPED BACK. I CAN'T IMAGINE GETTING IT BE DONE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE, WITHOUT THE BULLY AND -- I'M DONE WITH YOU. I OWNED ALL THE PIECES AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE DECISION AND MOVE THIS ALONG.

AND I DO GET THE FEEL FROM YOU. AND YOU KNOW, AND -- AND ASK PETE SWEENEY, WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY, WHO HAS THE LEGAL AUTHORITY AND WHO HAS THE AUTHORITY TO GET DEFINED BECAUSE, IT'S ONLY BEEN HERE, THREE YEARS NOW.

AND I DON'T WANT HIM TO QUIT TONIGHT.

SO THINK, THAT IN MY MIND, THE COMMUNICATION FOR THE COUNTY HAS BEEN PROGRESSIVE. THE ATTITUDE OF THE UTILITY AUTHORITY, IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, PROBABLY MORE THAN IT HAS, IN THE LAST 20 YEARS.

MAYOR, COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT. I THINK IT'S TO SET UP A TIME LINE, AND I WOULD RATHER BUILD SOME TYPE OF ULTIMATUM OUT THERE, SAYING, HEY, STRATEGIC PLAN TO FIT OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO START DELIVERING THE THINGS TO US.

YOU CAN'T SIT THERE AND PUSH THE PEG LITTLE BIT THIS WAY AND LITTLE BIT THAT WAY. GIVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

IF THAT TIME DOESN'T HAPPEN, THEN WE INITIATE OUTSIDE SOLUTIONS AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

YOU WILL TELL ME, WE WILL DO THIS AT THE SAME TIME.

THE SAME WAY, I THINK WE TAKE AWAY FROM THE COLABRATION, THE TRUST AND RESPECT WE HAVE FOR OUR PARTNERS.

I WANT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WITH THAT.

IN THE SAME WAY, EVERY TIME, I THINK I'M SLOWING THE PROCESS AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. I WANT THIS THING TO MOVE FORWARD. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN DO THIS, WHERE ALL OF US IS PARTICIPATING? IS THERE A WAY, WHERE WE ARE PUSHING THE NEEDLE FORWARD AND ALL JOINING IN AND IN THIS PROCESS AND COMING UP WITH SOME TYPE OF FINAL PRODUCT, WE CAN HANG OUR NAME ON AND DO THIS INK THIS IN A SUCCESSFUL WAY. THAT'S IN A PERFECT WORLD,

THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO BE. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, I WILL SAY THIS WITH A SMILE ON MY FACE.

YOU'RE A RACER. YOU'RE A RUNNER.

START THE RACE. WE HAVE TWO OPPORTUNITIES, START THE RACE. THERE'S NO BETTER DEADLINE THAN A RACE TO THE FINISH LINE. I KNOW, ME TAKING THAT WAY, IT'S OKAY. I'M NOT SAYING, WE WILL DISCOUNT ANYTHING.

WE DON'T DISCOUNT ANY PARTNER. THE MAJOR QUESTION, THE COLABRATION, THE PPP BECOMES PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, BECOMES COUNTY, CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE OTHER VERSION, WE'RE STILL ASKING THE QUESTION, HOW DO WE FUND THIS? AS A TAXPAYER, WHETHER I'M SITTING HERE OR NOT, I HOPE YOU DON'T RAISE MY TAXES TOO MUCH. I HOPE YOU DON'T PUT IT IN MY PROPERTY TAX BILL. THAT'S A REAL HONEST CONCLUSION FOR A TAXPAYER. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD FOR 22 YEARS. I THINK NICK HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 22 YEARS. HE'S HEARD IT.

I SAY THAT WITH A SMILE ON MY FACE AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S THE UNDERLYING CONCERN EVERY TIME.

HOW DO WE FUND IT >> YOU HAVE TO ADMIT, THERE'S A

CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESPECT >> OF COURSE.

>> WE OWN THE PROPERTY. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE FATHERS, FOREFATHERS HAVE PUT TOGETHER, SAYING, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MINUTIA OF BEING IN THE UTILITY ASPECT.

WE WANT TO BE A SECOND BOARD, THAT'S AUTOMOUSE, THAT GOES INTO DEBT, THAT CREATES SERVICES AND LEVEL OF SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND MAKES A CONTRIBUTION TO THE BOTTOM LINE OF THE CITY. AND YOU GUYS STAY AWAY FROM THAT AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND DO THAT FORWARDLY.

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I'M NOT SO SURE, BY PUSHING THIS THING SO QUICK.

WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ACTUALLY, THE SHOCK THAT IS HEARD AROUND THE WORLD, US, RIGHT NOW, RATHER THAN SAYING, HEY, CONTEMPLATING THIS. AND WE WOULD LIKE YOU GUYS TO COME ABARRED AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND TELL US WHY THIS IS A BAD

IDEA. >> IF WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION AND ALL A SUDDEN, HERE'S THE BOOK.

EVERYBODY WANT TO EVALUATE THE BOOK NOW? AND THIS IS THE PPP, AND WE'LL DO THE ANSWER.

>> AND MAYBE FOR OUR PART, PEACE NOT ABOUT THE PROPOSALS AND RESEARCH GOING ON. IT'S HOW WE GO ABOUT IT.

>> I AGREE. >> AND MAYOR, YOU SAID ON BOTH BOARDS. I NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU RIGHT

NOW >> TRYING TO GET.

>> AND YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING. >> AND I'M SORRY.

YOU GOT STEREO COMMISSIONERS. >> AND LIKE THE TENNIS MATCH.

>> I'M GOING TO RELINQUISH THE FLOOR.

>> AND SO, THIS IS -- I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. SWEENEY, PERMISSION TO ASK. MR. SWEENEY, THIS IS A THREE P

PROJECT. >> THIS IS A THREE P PROJECT.

>> NICK HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.

THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS. >> STATE STATUTE, 558.

>> CERTAIN THINGS, CERTAIN TIMES AND ALL KINDS.

>> AND DEFICIENCIES, PROPERLY IDENTIFIED.

THIS IS UNSOLICITED. SO THEY CAN FIX THEM

>> AND SEND THEM IN TOMORROW OR NEXT WEEK OR SOME OTHER ENTITY COULD DO THAT. I THINK IN NICK'S DEFENSE, THE FACT OF THE MATTER, THAT IT'S DEFICIENT, IS ALMOST IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THOSE COULD BE CURED WITHOUT OUR CONTROL.

I THINK THE BIGGER DISCUSSION IS WHAT NICK IS TALKING ABOUT.

DO WE DECIDE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD AT ALL, OR DO WE MOVE FORWARD.

>> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, IT IS A THREE P PROJECT, WHICH IS COVERED BY STATE LEGISLATION?

>> CORRECT. >> I JUST WANTED THAT CLARIFIED.

BACK TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, I WANT TO SAY, FIRST OF ALL, THE UTILITY AUTHORITY HAS DONE SOMETHING TOWARD THIS.

THEY HAVE. AND THEY'VE SPENT $20 MILLION.

THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO SPENT ANY MONEY TOWARDS THIS.

IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'VE BEEN DRAGGING THEIR FEET.

HOWEVER, I DON'T THINK YOU EVER YOU NEVER KNOW, WHAT COULD E - HAPPEN. AND I THINK, THAT WE SHOULD EXPLORE AND GET INFORMATION AND KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS AND BECAUSE, AT SOME POINT, WHEN WE KNOW MORE, WE MAY SAY, OH, NO, THIS IS NOT FOR US. I COULD SEE WHERE THIS IS GOING.

RIGHT NOW, ALL WE HAVE IS THEIR TWO PAGE LETTER; RIGHT?

>> NO, MAM. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THAT WAS SENT AT A LATER DATE. THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN YOUR

PACKAGE? >> ALL RIGHT.

AT ANY RATE, WE DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE INFORMATION?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> AND MADAM MAYOR, IF I COULD SAY SO. I WANT TO CLEAR COMMISSIONER PERONA, WE ARE NOT BEING BULLIES HERE.

AS SOON AS WE GOT THE LETTER, AS SOON AS WE WERE CONTACTED, MYSELF AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, WE CONTACTED MR. TOM PET. AND THEY'VE BEEN -- AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TIME, AND IN THE BACK OF DOCUMENTATION, WE HAVE RECEIVED THE FEEDBACK ON TWO OCCASIONS.

AND THIS IS A DEFINITE PARTNERSHIP.

AND I DON'T WANT YOU THINK, WE'RE TRYING TO GO SIDEWAYS.

WE DON'T HAVE THE TECHNICAL EXPERTISE TO DESIGN, ALL OF THE, I GUESS, REQUIRED SPES FESSITY, OF THE PROPOSAL.

THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE BY FPUA.

WE NEED THEM TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS.

AT THIS POINT, JUST DUE TO THE STATE STATUTES, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS FACED WITH.

WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO EITHER SAY, HEY, LOOK, THE FCC AQUALIA, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH YOU OR LET'S EXPLORE THIS,

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DATA, AND TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION,

TO SAY, WE FORMALLY ACCEPT THAT. >> THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD CUTOFF ANY INFORMATION. AS WELL, DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, WE'RE ON THIS ONE TRACK ALREADY WITH THE UA AND COUNTY AND THE CITY, BUT THIS COULD BE

ANOTHER TRACK. >> DEFINITELY.

>> WE CAN WALK AND CHEW GUM AT THE SAME TIME.

>> WE CAN EMERGE THE TRACKS. >> YES, YES.

YES .

>> WITH THE INFORMATION? >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

THERE'S NO OBLIGATION AS FAR AS AQUALIA GOES, AS FAR AS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND AQUALIA. IF THEY DO THE RESEARCH, DUE DILIGENCE. WE CAN LOOK AT THE REPORT AND SAY, THANKS, NO THANKS AND MOVE ON.

THERE'S NO COST. >> NO COST, NO FOLLOW-UP, AND NO WHATEVER. AND THEY ARE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. I'VE READ THROUGH MANY

DOCUMENTATIONS. >> AND THEY ARE INTERNATIONAL.

>> ACTUALLY, IT'S FUNNY, THIS IS A BIG DEAL FOR US.

AND 120 TO 150 MILLION PROJECT. I MEAN, AND THE CULTURE SHOCK OF MOVING THAT OFF THE ISLAND AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT.

TO THEM, IT'S SMALL POTATOES. IT REALLY IS.

>> IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. >> UNLESS THEY DON'T WANT TO

REMOVE THAT. >> I GUESS, IT'S 18 YEARS, I'VE

BEEN HEARING, YOU SAME MINUTIA. >> YEAH.

>> SAME MINUTIA MOVED FROM ONE SIDE TO ANOTHER.

AGAIN, HEARING SUPPORT OF MY STAFF.

AND HE DON'T HAVE TO BE A BULLY BECAUSE HE'S TOO BIG, IN ORDER TO BE A BULLY, IN ORDER TO TAKE YOU THAT WAY ANYWAY.

>> NOT A BULLY, SIR >> NEITHER AM I.

AGAIN, I JUST THINK, THE WHOLE CITY WILL PROSPER UPON THE REMOVAL OF THE PLAN. NO TELLING WHAT?

WE CAN PUT A COLISEUM. >> AND WE SAID, IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS, WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH.

WHEN WE SAY, WE ALL. WE SAY THE CITY, THE FPUA, THE COUNTY, WE ALL SAID, THIS IS A PRIORITY.

WHY WOULD YOU FOT EXPLORE EVERY AVENUE

>> IT HAS TO BE YOU, THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC USE, RIGHT?

>>. >> EVEN AT THE USE WITH THE FPUA. HAD HAS A PUBLIC REQUIREMENT FOR ACCESS TO THE WAR FRONT. YES, SIR

>> WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT KNOWN, TOO

>> YES, SIR >> IT HAS TO BE PUBLIC USE.

>> AND NOT THE WHOLE PARCEL. >> I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S JUST A PARKING LOT, AS LONG AS YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC USE.

IT'S JUST LIKE RESTRICTION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS, OF PEOPLE FISHING ON LAND, YOU KNOW. PUBLIC LAND, PUBLIC USE, PUBLIC FISHING. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THERE TALKING ABOUT FISHING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROPERTIES.

>> SO, IS THERE A MOTION, SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION? SOMEBODY READY TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF?

>> MADAM MAYOR. >> I'LL BE GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION. I JUST WANT TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT MORE. I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE YOU MORE IN FAVOR OF WAVING THE GUIDELINES, OR ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF DIRECTING STAFF, THE QUALITY, HERE'S OUR CONVERSATION AND THEY SUPPLY STAFF WITH MORE

INFORMATION. >> SECOND.

>> SECOND ONE. THAT'S WHAT I AM IN FAVOR OF.

>> SO OKAY. >> DO YOU THINK, THEY WILL PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. MAYOR, WE ARE GLAD YOU'RE

KNOCKING IN OUR DOOR. >> MATTER OF FACT, SIR, WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT? THE YOUNG LADY THAT WAS HERE, SHE'S VERY IMPRESSIVE.

SHE'S DONE THIS THROUGHOUT THE GLOBE.

MATTER OF FACT, THIS COMPANY CONTROLS ONE-THIRD OF THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM FOR THE COUNTRY OF SPAIN.

I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THE WITH IT ALL, TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AND PROVIDE THE DATA WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

IT IS GOING TO TAKE A CONCENTRATED EFFORT WITH THE

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>> AND, OKAY. BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION, A COUPLE OF COMMENT.

I WAS AN ENGINEER FOR FPUA IN 2002-2003.

IT WAS THE EXACT CONVERSATION IN 2000.

THE SAME CONVERSATION, WHAT IS CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WHEN WE DECIDE WE WANT TO GROW UP? IT'S A JOKE IN OUR OFFICE.

WE ASKED THE QUESTION ALL THE TIME.

20 YEARS LATER, EXACTLY 20 YEARS LATER, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION, WHAT DOES THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WANT TO BE WHEN WE GROW UP? IT'S THE SAME CONVERSATION, THAT'S TALKED ABOUT THE IN WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIRECT STAFF TO DISCUSS WITH THE UNSOLICITEDED BID PROPOSAL TO GET MORE INFORMATION AND THAT THEY PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS THEY CAN ABOUT THEIR PLANNING PROCESS, THEIR FINANCIAL PROCESS, WHAT THEY CAN DO TO BRING TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND HOW -- WHAT INFORMATION DO THEY NEED FROM OUR LOCAL

UTILITIES AUTHORITY. >> I'LL SECOND THAT.

>> GO AHEAD. >> AND MY QUESTION, IS IN -- THIS IS STARTING TO SOUND LIKE, WE'RE GETTING AHEAD ON AN RFP AND WE MAY HAVE A LEGAL ISSUE WITH THIS LATER ON.

I DON'T KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT CLEARS OUR LEGAL

DEPARTMENT JO. >> MADAM MAYOR, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE MOTION. WE'RE VERY MUCH IN THE INFORMATIONAL STAGE. THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL ACTION.

THE UNSOLICITED BID IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE STATUTE.

WE COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD NLGS WE WAVE THE FORMALITIES.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS? >> AND YOU'RE RIGHT, PROBABLY, 22 YEARS AGO, THIS PROBABLY IS ISSUE, COMING BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN EVERY YEAR SINCE THEN. AND I MEAN, WHEN I LOOK AT THE PROPERTY, AND WHEN THE PLANT WAS BUILT, IT APPEARS IT NEEDED TO BE, TALKING TO THE ENGINEERS THAT IT NEEDED TO BE CLOSE TO THE WATER, IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE OPERATIONS ITSELF. HOWEVER, IT WAS PLACED ON PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE PIECES OF PROPERTY IN THE PENINSULA IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND IT WAS OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND IN ITS PRESENT STATE, IT'S STILL OWNED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. IT'S GOING TO BE PURPOSE DRIVEN BY THE LAND OWNERS AND PEOPLE WHO WANT TO INVEST.

AND NOW THEY CAN APPRECIATE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, AND WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN FORT PIERCE, I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US, WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO FACILITATE WHAT'S PURPOSE DRIVEN AND THAT IS THE LAND OWNERS ADJACENT TO IT, WANTING TO PUT THE INVESTMENT SO WE CAN GET THE TOP DOLLAR.

HOW WE ACHIEVE THAT, IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.

I THINK WE NEED TO EXPLORE ALL THE POSSIBILITIES HERE AND WE'RE DOING SO WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

I THINK WE'RE MAKING AWISE DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD.

WE'RE SHOWING BOTH THE UA AND THE INTERESTED PARTIES THAT WE MEAN BUSINESS TO TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN MAKE THE PROPERTY, WHAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN 20 YEARS AGO, WHAT IT COULD BE HOPEFULLY NOT 20 YEARS FROM NOW, IN MY LIFETIME.

THANK YOU >> ONE MORE COMMENT.

IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION TO NICK.

IT'S RETORTICAL IN NATURE. YOU WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALWAYS KEPT IN THE LOOP IN THE INFORMATION AND IN ADDITION TO THE PARTNERS; RIGHT? WE'RE NOT -- IT'S MORE OF A STATEMENT THAN A QUESTION. YOU HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR, THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN KEEPING THE PARTNERSHIP OUT THERE, WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING. I THINK I HEARD THAT IN

ADDITION. >> MATTER OF FACT, YES, SIR.

I SHARED THE INFORMATION WITH FPUA AND VOLUSIA COUNTY.

EVERYBODY THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE POTENTIAL RELOCATION, IS VERY AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU. >> READY TO VOTE?

>> CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> MR. ALEXANDER?

>> YES. >> JOHNSON?

>> YES, MAM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

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>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> YES. >> MAYOR HUD SOUTHERN?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> WHAT I'M HANDING OUT IS SOME INFORMATION, COMMISSIONERS FOR

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AND WHETHER TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE MATTER, WHICH IS ONE THAT I CONSIDERED TO BE VERY SERIOUS IN LIGHT OF THE ACTIVITY THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, I GET YOU ONE LATER. I GOT IT RIGHT HERE.

I'LL HAND IT TO YOU BEFORE I LEAVE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IMPORTANCE OF WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, IN OUR NATION, WHAT HAS HAPPENED, EVEN LOCALLY IN OUR CITY, RECENT INCIDENTS, THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED OUT OF THE HOSPITAL, WHICH IS UNEXPLAINED, IN TERMS OF BEHAVIOR AND WHAT HAPPENED, REFLECTING BACK ON THE DEPTH ON THE SEAMAN, WHO WAS SHOT IN THE BACK ON THE PRETENSES OF A CELL PHONE BEING IN HIS POCKET, WHEN IT WASN'T.

AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT AT ANY RATE FROM REVIEWING THE INFORMATION THAT I LOOKED AT AND RECEIVED, IT WAS A STOP THAT WAS MINISTERIAL ISSUE, THAT WAS ESCALATED INTO A YOUNG MAN BEING KILLED AND WHAT WE SEE AND WHAT WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY COMING FORTHWITH ANY INFORMATION TO SHOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. AND THAT IS HAPPENS TYPICALLY IN THE TYPES OF SITUATIONS, WHERE THERE'S NO BODY CAMERA COVERAGE.

IT HAPPENS, WITH GEORGE FLOYD, IT HAPPENED TO BRING ANNA TAYLOR AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON AND ON.

WHY IT'S AN ISSUE IT'S DEAR TO ME AND IT SHOULD BE DEAR TO YOU AS WELL, IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN OUR BACKYARD.

AND IT APPEARS TO BE HAPPENING REPETITIVELY OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THERE IS, TO SOME SDREE, NO SOLUTION WITH REGARDS TO A LOT OF THE, WHAT I CALL SOCIAL SYSTEMATIC INJUSTICES WHEN IT COMES TO THESE INCIDENTS.

IT APPEARS TO BE HAPPENING TO QUITE A BIT OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN MALES. AND THAT'S A COMMON DENOMINATOR.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF BODY CAMERAS WERE PUT IN PLACE, FIRST OF ALL, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT PROTECTS THE OFFICER.

IF THE CAMERA IS ROLLING, THAT OFFICER COULD VERIFY ANYTHING THAT HAS HAPPENED WHERE IT WILL PROTECT HIM, HOPEFULLY IN FURTHERANCE OF WHAT HE SHOULD BE DOING LEGALLY WHILE COMING IN CONTACT WITH THE SUSPECT. NEEDLESS TO SAY, IT CERTAINLY PROTECTS THE VICTIM OR COULD HAVE PROTECTED THE VICTIMS IF THEY HAD THE BODY CAMERAS ROLLING AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT, TO SHOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

NOW, FORT PIERCE WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH FROM THE DEMARCUS SITUATION, OCCURRING AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAD HAPPENED, WHERE WE BROUGHT INDIVIDUALS IN TO DO SOME INVESTIGATIONS AND WE CAME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS OF BODY CAMERAS TO RECTIFY A LOT OF THE SITUATIONS THAT I JUST COMPLAINED OF AND SPOKE OF.

WHERE ARE WE TODAY? YES, WE PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR BODY CAMERAS AND YES, WE HAVE A BODY CAMERA POLICY THAT'S PUT IN PLACE. BUT ARE WE USING THE BODY CAMERAS ADEQUATELY LIKE WE SHOULD BE AND NOT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER. THAT'S ONE THAT'S LEFT, IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. HOPEFULLY, YOU WILL PUT THE NECESSARY MEASURES, RULES IN PLACE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THESE OFFICERS CONTINUE TO USE AS ALL TIMES, BODY CAMERAS, WHEN THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH INDIVIDUALS AND THAT WILL PRECLUDE, I BELIEVE, A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE.

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IT APPEARS THAT WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS RESOLVED AND THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION. THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT? IN REVIEWING THE MEETING.

FIRST OF ALL, I COULDN'T EVEN FIND THE MEETING.

THEN WHEN IT SHOWED UP, AND THE MINUTES IN ALL OF THE MEETING ITSELF, THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS DATA DRIVEN.

THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

: >> FROM WHAT I SEEN, AND NOT SEEN. THAT DECISION WAS NOT DATA DRIVEN. THAT BROUGHT TO THE POINT TO START ASKING QUESTIONS. WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU WAS A MEMORANDUM THAT I PREPARED. IN THAT MEMORANDUM.

AND THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A COPY OF THAT. IT'S A LONG LENGTHY DOCUMENT AND YOU HAVE TO GET A COPY OF THAT AT YOUR DISCLOSURE LATER ON.

I DON'T HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. I HAVE OUTLINED THE RULES AND PROCEDURES AND BODY WORN CAMERAS, INVESTIGATION POLICY, CREATED BY THE FORT POLICE DEPARTMENT, ADMINISTRATION, TO MAKE SURE THE BODY CAMERAS ARE OPERATED AND USED AND IF NOT, THERE'S CERTAIN ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN WHEN THEY ARE NOT.

AND GUARANTEE, THE BODY CAMERAS, AND VIOLATION AND THEN THAT INDIVIDUAL, AND RESPONSIBILITY IS -- NOW.

>> THE POLICY SAY THAT? >> YEAH.

>> THAT'S WHAT I JUST SAID. >> THE POLICY SAID THAT.

>> I'M REPEATING EXACTLY WHAT THE POLICY SAID.

>> NOW, THE BODY WORN CAMERAS MONTHLY COMPLIANCE REPORTS.

AFTER WHAT I DID, WAS I REQUESTED THAT, BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, I NEEDED TO SEDATE -- SEEDATA.

THERE WAS A POLICY, 83.19A. WHAT THAT WAS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS SUPPOSED TO SHOW A MONTHLY COMPLIANCE REPORT TO THIS DAY, I HAVE NOT SEEN A PART OF IT.

IF A BOARD IS GOING TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, THAT NOTHING SHOULD BE DONE IN ORDER TO GUARANTEE THE OFFICERS USED A BODY CAMERAS ON THE A CONTINUESIOUS BASIS, YOU WOULD THINK, THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE APPLIANCE REPORT.

HOW COULD YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION, SOMETHING TO BE USED AND YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT THE COMPLIANCE REPORT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE BEEN USED. NUMBER TWO, THIS IS ALL DATA DRIVEN. THIS IS THE QUESTIONS I'M ASKING, IN ORDER TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS BODY CAMERAS ARE BEING USED PROPERLY.

BODY WORN CAMERAS RECORDING, ACCORDING TO THAT POLICY, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, 83.182.12, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AUDITS.

SIR, TO THIS DAY, AT THE REQUESTING, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE AUDITS. I INTEND TO BELIEVE THEY DON'T EXIST. HOW YOU COULD MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER OR NOT AN OFFICER SHOULD OR IS COMPLYING WITH THE RULES, IF YOU DON'T HAVE AUDITS TO REVIEW? NUMBER THREE, PROGRAM AND POLICY REVIEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURE.

PROGRAM AND THE REVIEW POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE OUTLINED IN THE BWC. THESE REPORTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN

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THE PROGRAMS >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> COULD I ASK A QUESTION. >> YES, SIR

>> SO THE REVIEWS AND THE AUDITS AND THE REPORTS, THOSE THREE

BULLET POINTS, AGREE WITH YOU. >> AND WHAT -- WHAT DOES THE -- WHAT DOES POLICY SAY ABOUT THOSE THREE ITEMS? DOES IT SAY, IT HAS TO BE REPORTED TO THE COMMISSION, TO THE CITY MANAGER, TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE, TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE HOLD ON TO IT? DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN WRITTEN

FORM? >> IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN

WRITTEN FORM. >> IN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT, THERE SHOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL POLICY PUT IN PLACE, TO GUARANTEE OR TO EVEN SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S BEEN VIOLATIONS OF THE BODY CAMERAS, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US TO FIND OUT AND GET THE POLICY REVIEWS, DEALING WITH THE AUDITS AND DEALING WITH THE COMPLIANCE REPORTS, THESE ARE ESSENTIAL THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED, THAT WERE NOT CONSIDERED. IF I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, WHAT A PANEL AND ADVISORY BOARD, HOW YOU COULD DO THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF HAVING THE INFORMATION?

>> NOW. >> LET'S LOOK AT THE CHARGE.

YOU LOOK AT IT YOUR LEISURE. WHAT I DID, THE CHART, ON THE

LAST PAGE. >> THE LAST PAGE, OKAY.

>> YOU SEE IT. >> IT'S A CHART.

FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MONTHLY COMPLIANCE REPORT, ANALYSIS. I REQUEST, INFORMATION WITH REGARDS TO THE TIME PERIOD FROM 7/2018, TO 7/2020.

AND IN DOING SO, TOLD A NUMBER OF VIDEOS, VIEWED IN THE MONTHLY COMPLIANCE REPORT FOR THE FIRST SECTION WAS 149.

FOR THAT ENTIRE YEAR, THE MIDDLE PORTION WAS 543.

AT THE END, THE LATTER SIX MONTHS, IT WAS 244 TOTAL VIDEOS, REVIEWED. TOTAL OF 936 REPORTED.

NOW OF THAT COMING DOWN TO THE MIDDLE CHART, MONTHLY COMPLIANCE REPORTS, DATA, ACTIVATED, DEACTIVATED, POLICY COMPLIANCE, AS IT RELATES TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT TOOK A LOT OF TIME. 143, FOR THE FIRST SIX MONTHS.

514 ACTIVATED, DEACTIVATED POLICY COMPLIANCE, FOR THE YEAR OF 2019, AND THEN 215 FOR THE LATTER SIX MONTHS.

THEN IT GOES DOWN AND YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DATA THAT I DID HAVE AND RECEIVE VARIOUS -- AND THIS IS IMPORTANT RIGHT HERE. POLICY NONCOMPLIANCE.

ACTIVATED AND DEACTIVATED. 1 AND 28 AND 29.

BUT EVEN WHAT'S DISTURBING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGE OF NONCOMPLIANCE AND THE LAST SECTION.

CHART, IT'S UP 12 PERCENT. NOW 12 PERCENT OF NONCOMPLIANCE AND WHEN YOU GET THE BWC IN YOUR LEISURE TIME, YOU WILL SEE IT.

12 PERCENT OF NONCOMPLIANCE FOR SIX-MONTH PERIOD FOR A POLICE DEPARTMENT, OF ANY CITY DESERVES SOME ATTENTION.

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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I SUBMIT TO YOU, IF YOU TELL ME OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COMING IN CONTACT, WITH 936 PEOPLE, I COULD ASSURE YOU, AS WELL AS I'M STANDING SITTING HERE, THAT IT DID, IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. ONLY 936? THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE INCIDENTS WHERE CALLS WERE MADE, WHERE THERE WERE REPORTS NOT FILED, BUT INCIDENT REPORTS NOT FILED AND TRAFFIC STOPS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF TRAFFIC STOPS, WHEN THERE'S NO CITATIONS MADE.

THAT'S NOT TRUE. THAT'S JUST SUSPECT IN AND OF ITSELF. AGAIN THAT 12 PERCENT, NONCOMPLIANCE FROM THE BODY WORN POLICY FOR THAT SIX-MONTH PERIOD, DESERVES SOME ATTENTION. THIS IS ANOTHER THING ABOUT THE PARTICULAR PERIOD, WHERE IT IS 12 PERCENT HIGH.

THE INCIDENT INVOLVED OFFICER ECOBI OUT OF THE HOSPITAL WAS NOT EVEN MENTIONED. IT'S NOT EVEN ON THERE.

COME ON. SO DATABASE, DATA DRIVEN.

I HOPE YOU ALL REVIEW THIS. PULL THE DWC POLICY, TAKE THIS INFORMATION WITH YOU. LOOK AT IT.

REVIEW IT AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHOW YOU HERE.

THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING DONE.

AND I'M NOT INTERESTED SEEING WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL GO TO JAIL. WHAT'S NOT WORKING, AFTER THE VIOLATION OCCURS, OBVIOUSLY, THE SANCTIONS ARE NOT WORKING BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

SO TO WHAT EXTENT, WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW I DON'T WANT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO SUFFER. OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS, I'M SURE OUR TAXPAYERS AND NOT TO MENTION THE FAMILIES OF VICTIMS, IF WE DON'T MAKE SURE WE HAVE A POLICY PUT IN PLACE, ULTIMATELY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WILL HAPPEN. SO, AGAIN, PLAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE LAST SIX MONTHS IN THE 12 PERCENT OF NONCOMPLIANCE.

WHEN YOU GET THE DATA FROM THE BWC, IT WILL MAKE SENSE TO YOU.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE WAS ANOTHER ITEM THAT I WANT TO BRING UP, THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW.

BECAUSE OF THE CONFERENCE AGENDA BEING CANCELLED.

AND I WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOU. AND IN YOUR PACKET, I HAVE THE REPORTS THEMSELVES, FROM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON WITH REGARDS TO THE REPORTING.

FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN'T KEEP ONE DOWN THERE IN RECORDS.

THAT'S A POSITION THAT'S BEEN TURNED OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. MAYBE THEY AGREE, MAYBE THEY DISAGREE. I HAVE FOR YOU, JUST A FEW CASES AND I PUT THEM IN YOUR PACKET THERE, FEW CASES, WHERE THESE SHOOTINGS TOOK PLACE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF FORT PIERCE. AND THEY WERE WRITTEN UP AS MINOR INCIDENTS. NUMBER ONE, CASE AT ISSUE, I HAND IT TO YOU, CASE NUMBER 1902-0025.

AND NOW THIS IS THE CASE WHERE A SHOOTING TOOK PLACE, WHERE THERE WERE A SERIES OF GUNSHOTS AT A HOME WHERE INDIVIDUALS WERE RIDING DOING THE STREETS LIKE THE GOOD OLD WESTONS, RIDING MOTORCYCLES WITH HOODS ON THEM. COVERING THEMSELVES UP, SHOOTING HOMES UP AND AUTOMOBILES UP LEFT AND RIGHT, TWO VEHICLES WERE

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I SUBMIT TO YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WERE WRITTEN UP AS? AN INCIDENT. WHAT'S THE HARM IN AN INCIDENT AS OPPOSED TO A REPORT? THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN UP FOR? WELL, WHEN I TALKED TO THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, NUMBER ONE, FIRST OF ALL, THAT WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THE DESK OF THE DETECTIVE, IT'S AN INCIDENT AS OPPOSED TO A PRIORITY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE INVESTIGATED. IT'S AN INCIDENT.

AND SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE, WHERE SHOOTINGS TOOK PLACE, WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE RIDING THROUGH A NEIGHBORHOOD, IT SHOULD HAVE, IT DESERVED A POLICE REPORT.

NOT AN INCIDENT. IT'S NOT AN INCIDENT.

IT'S NOT AN INCIDENT WHEN I HEAR THE GUNSHOTS GOING OFF LEFT AND RIGHT. AND ALL OF THESE ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE UCR IS SOMETHING THAT'S REVIEWED BY THE FBI AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND THE IMPACT THAT HAS, IF WE DON'T HAVE CRIME, GUESS WHAT? WE DON'T GET THE FEDERAL DOLLARS IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE OFFICERS. THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM.

WE DON'T GET FEDERAL DOLLARS, BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THERE'S NO CRIME. WHY IS THERE NOT ANY CRIME? BECAUSE THE POLICE EPISODES AS GETTING WRITTEN DOWN AS INC INCIDENTS AS OPPOSED TO ACTUAL REPORTS.

THAT'S ONE CASE. YOU COULD REVIEW IT AT YOUR LEISURE. HERE'S ANOTHER CASE.

SEVERAL GUNSHOTS FIRED, WITH THE VICTIM'S RESIDENTS, BULLET HOLES INSIDE AND OUT. THE VEHICLES, DRIVE BY.

NIGHT CASE, WHAT IS IT? 1902-00199.

THIS HAPPENED OVER ON 29TH STREET IN AVENUE I.

HERE'S ONE WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL WAS ACTUALLY SHOT AND A BULLET WOUND. HE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL.

SHE SAYS, SHE CAN'T GET ANSWERS TO THE REPORT AND GET NO RECORD WHEN SHE MAKES THE REQUEST. SOMEBODY WAS ACTUALLY SHOT IN AN INCIDENT? COME ON.

THIS HAPPENED ON 25TH STREET. FEBRUARY, 2019.

CASE NUMBER 190200309. I ATTACHED TO YOUR PACKET FOR YOU THERE. SOMEONE GOT SHOT IN THE HEAD AND WRITTEN AS AN INCIDENT. THEN YOU HAVE SOME CAMERA FOOTAGE. SO YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE.

YOU HAVE A MAN WITH A BULLET IN HIS HEAD.

YOU HAVE CASEINGS. BUT THIS IS AN INCIDENT? I SUBMIT TO YOU, NO, IT'S NOT. IT NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED AS ONE. IT NEEDS TO BE PRIORITY AS ONE.

IT'S NOT AN INCIDENT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

>> SO YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED THAT YOU BELIEVE, THAT THE INVESTIGATING OFFICER

WOULD TAKE IT DIFFERENTLY? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WHY. WHY.

>> A POLICE REPORT. IF THERE'S AN INVESTIGATOR, AN

INCIDENT IS NOT A REPORT. >> IT SAYS RIGHT HERE.

INCIDENT INVESTIGATIVE REPORT. >> THAT'S NOT A POLICE REPORT.

>> FORT PIERCE REPORT, INCIDENT INVESTIGATION REPORT.

>> IT'S AN INCIDENT. IT'S NOT A POLICE REPORT.

>> AN INVESTIGATOR LOOKS AT THIS, OH, MY GOODNESS, I NEED TO

GET ON THIS, NO? >> WITH THAT WORD INCIDENT UP

THERE? >> YOU SEE THAT INCIDENT.

WE'RE IN A CITY, SUCH AS FORT PIERCE, WHERE WE HAVE A MULTITUDE OF INCIDENT, THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME, BUT IN THIS CASE, THIS IS AN INCIDENT THAT DOESN'T GET THE ATTENTION

THAT A REPORT WOULD. >> AND WHO SAYS THAT?

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>> WELL, WHAT I WILL DO IS THIS. I WILL LET YOU REVIEW IT.

FOR THE LITTLE SIDE ISSUE, EVEN IF YOUR ARGUMENT, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

ASIDE FROM THAT, WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THIS.

THAT SHOULD NOT BE WRITTEN UP AND REPORTED TO THE UCR AS AN INCIDENT. THAT'S AN ACTUAL SHOOTING.

MEGHAN MCRONALDS IS POUNDING THE DOORS DOWN, FOR SEVERAL MONTHS,

TO FIND OUT WHAT'S HAPPENING. >> I UNDERSTAND.

I NEED TO LOOK AT THE UCR AND COMPARE.

I DON'T THINK MEGAN MCROBERTS, IS.

ND SHE'S LOOKING AT THE REPORTING THE INFORMATION.

WHEN WE COMPARE THE TWO, WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE FOR ME. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, FOR ALL OF US

HERE. >> AND I ALSO ATTACH FOR YOU, A LITTLE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE UCR AND WHY IT'S BEING PUT IN PLACE AND WHAT IT'S IMPORTANT, THESE BE PUT UP PROPERLY FOR YOU

TO REVIEW LATER. >> THE STATE ATTORNEY GAVE YOU AN CONTINUE. THE STATE ATTORNEY DOING THE INVESTIGATION OR ARE WE DOING THE INVESTIGATION.

>> THE STATE ATTORNEY, THIS IS WHAT THEY COULD DO.

BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, THEY ARE HANDED THAT PIECE OF PAPER.

>> WHAT THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DOES, HE HAS THE SAME THING THAT I HEAR ABOUT THE GUNSHOTS AND PEOPLE GETTING SHOT AND WHY AREN'T PEOPLE GETTING ARRESTED.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. GUESS WHAT? THEY ARE NOT BEING ARRESTED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BEING INVESTIGATED. NO REPORT IS DONE, OBVIOUSLY.

WHAT WILL GET TO THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> AND I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT WE'RE RIGHTING UP

AN INCIDENT REPORT >> WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO ARREST.

>> AND THIS IS REALLY GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF SOMETHING THAT WE AS COMMISSIONERS -- THIS IS WAY DOWN INTO THE WEEDS OF THE OPERATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPRUNG ON US.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT AHEAD OF TIME OR CHECK IT OUT. OUR STAFF HASN'T HAD TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU GOT FROM WHAT YOU -- THE DATA THAT YOU

GOT. >> MAYOR --

>> AND OUR CHIEF IS HERE. AND PERHAPS SHE CAN ENLIGHTEN US ON SOMETHING THAT, BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING AN AWFUL LOT OF

STATEMENTS. >> AND I'M NOT HERE TO ASK FOR A DECISION, REGARDING THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WHAT I'M HERE TO DO, GIVE YOU INFORMATION THAT THAT ADVISORY

BOARD OBVIOUSLY -- >> YOU COULD HAVE GIVEN TO US AHEAD OF TIME SO WE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO READ IT AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO DIGEST IT AND TELL US.

>> YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT. I'M JUST GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION. YOU JUST ELECTED FOR FOUR MORE YEARS I'M OUT OF THE PICTURE.

SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING YOU MAY WANT TO LOOK INTO, BUT I'M GIVING YOU THE DATA AND INFORMATION FOR YOUR REVIEW.

>> YOU COULD HAVE GIVEN IT TO US IN WRITTEN FORM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OVER, WITH INFORMATION, THAT YOU'RE STATING, IS OPINION, AND INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE, THAT WE HAVE NO CHANCE TO VET. NO CHANCE WHATSOEVER.

>> YOU DO WHATEVER YOU SO PLEASE, MA'AM.

GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION.I'M - I'M NOT LOOKING FOR YOU TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE ISSUE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

I WAS JUST ADDRESSING COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

YOU COULD HAVE THE, THE INFORMATION, DO IT AS YOU PLEASE AND REVIEW IT. AT THAT POINT, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING >> WE'RE DONE WITH THE CONVERSATION. COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> IN PREPARATION FOR THIS, I WENT THROUGH THE POLICY SEVERAL TIMES. MUCH OF WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S A LOT OF CLARIFICATION THAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE.

ACTUALLY, TOMORROW, I GRADUATE FROM THE POLICE CITIZEN ACADEMY, WHICH THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT BODY WORN CAMERAS.

I'VE BEEN THROUGH TWO RIDE ALONGS, SHOTS WERE FIRED IN DELAWARE. I'M OUT LOOKING FOR BRASS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.

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THE RESPONSE, ACCORDING TO THE POLICY, IS TO CALL SUPERVISOR IMMEDIATELY. AND IF THE SUPERVISOR THINKS IT'S A LITTLE OFF BASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT GOES TO ADMINISTRATION. THERE'S AN INVESTIGATION ON THAT, THAT OFFICER ENDS UP IN SOME SORT OF A DISCIPLINE.

IF IT'S INTENTIONAL, WILL BE FIRED.

SO I MEAN, THERE'S OVERSIGHT UPON OVERSIGHT UPON OVERSIGHT.

YOU GET TO THE MINUTIA IN THIS TYPE OF THING AND YOU LOOK AT EVERY SITUATION, YOU WILL FIND FLAWS.

THE BODY WORN CAMERA IS ONLY A SMALL TOOL TO HELP RECORD THE ENCOUNTER THAT A POLICE OFFICER HAS WITH ITS COMMUNITY, ONLY A SMALL TOOL. IT'S A VALUABLE TOOL.

AT FIRST I THOUGHT THE BODY WORN CAMERA IS SOMETHING POLICE OFFICERS WOULD SAY, I DON'T WANT THAT.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THEY ARE EMBRACING THEM.

IT'S HELPING THEM. IT'S ONLY ONE SMALL BIT OF WHAT THAT POLICE OFFICER GETS TO SEE IN THAT INSTANCE.

WHEN THEY MAKE AN ENCOUNTER, THE BODY WORN CAMERA RECORDS ONLY CERTAIN PART OF IT. THERE'S SO MUCH, THAT ENDS UP IN A WRITTEN REPORT. THAT'S ONLY ONE SMALL TOOL IN THE TOOL BOX. FROM EVERYTHING THAT I SAW IN MY EIGHT WEEKS OF TRAINING THROUGH THE POLICE, I'M SAYING THAT I ONLY KNOW A VERY SMALL. THOSE QUESTIONS GOT ASKED.

AND THEY GOT ASKED AND THEY GOT ANSWERED NOT ONLY BY THE CHIEF, BUT THE STAFF, THAT MADE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

YOUR RCO HAS AN UNBELIEVABLE JOB.

AND THAT'S THE RECORDS COMPLIANCE OFFICER, GOING THROUGH THE REDACTION, STORAGE AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION, THE SUPPORT STAFF AND THE OFFICER ITSELF.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I FEEL COMFORTABLE.

WHEN YOU ASK ME ABOUT THAT AND PART OF THE DISCUSSION, IS THE FACT I FEEL COMFORTABLE, THAT THE POLICY WE HAVE IN PLACE IS WORKING. THE BODY WORN CAMERAS THAT ARE BEING WORN BY EVERY OFFICER, EVERY UNIFORM OFFICER, THROUGH SERGEANT, I THINK IS -- ACCORDING TO THE POLICY, IS BEING DONE. AND IF IT'S NOT BEING DONE, IT'S BECOME CALLED IN, IT'S BEING REVIEWED AND LOOKED AT BY OTHERS. I'M NOT SURE BY ALL THE AUDITS GOING ON AND I DID READ THROUGH THE AUDITS, YOU REQUESTED THE LAST TIME, AND I THINK IT WAS BACK IN SEPTEMBER, WENT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE, 100 OR SO, INDIVIDUAL INSTANCES.

I'M SAYING, MY PERSONAL FEELING, WE HAVE A POLICY THAT'S WORKING.

IT'S A TOOL, NOT ONLY FOR THE OFFICER, BUT IT'S ALSO A TOOL FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT TELLS PART OF THE STORY AND IT HELPS US TELL THAT STORY THAT HAPPENED AND IN THAT ENCOUNTER

BETTER THAN IT DID BEFORE. >> I WILL SAY THIS MUCH.

PLEASE DON'T MINIMIZE HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OFFICERS WEAR BODY CAMERAS CONTINUESIOUSLY ON ANY EPISODE THAT THEY COME UP ON AND THEY ENCOUNTER SOMEONE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TENURE OF THE AVERAGE POLICE OFFICER IN FORT PIERCE, WHERE WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST TURNOVER RATES THERE IS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, THERE'S A LOT OF INEXPERIENCED OFFICERS OUT THERE.

AND THIS IS A MECHANISM THAT IF USED PROPERLY, NOT ONLY WILL SERVE AS SOMETHING TO TRAIN AND MAKE AND GIVE US THE TYPE OF EXPERIENCE, AT LEAST GUARANTEE AND HELP US TRAIN THE OFFICERS, BUT ALSO PROTECT FROM ANY POTENTIAL PROBLEMS LIKE THE ONE WE HAD OVER AT THE HOSPITAL WHERE THERE WAS NO BODY CAMERA WORN. AND AGAIN, SOME OTHER INCIDENTS.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO PROLONG THE TIME.

I PRESENTED IT TO YOU. I'M OUT OF HERE.

I HOPE I DON'T COME BACK AND TELL YOU IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I TOLD YOU SO, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PRAY FOR THE CITY.

I LOVE THE CITY AND I WANT TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION.

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I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. IF YOU WANT TO CALL HER AND TALK TO HER, SO BE IT. I AM JUST GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION. SO THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE. I'M THROUGH IT WITH.

>> CHIEF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CLOSE US ON THIS.

>> I WOULD. THANK YOU FOR GIVING THIS OPPORTUNITY. THERE'S POINTS THAT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE I DON'T WANT OUR CITIZENS TO THINK THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING ANYTHING INAPPROPRIATELY.

AND FIRST OF ALL, IN THE POLICY WHAT MR. SESSION WAS REFERRING TO IS THE AUDIT. THAT IS UNDER.

IT'S ON PAGE 10, 9A. IT TALKS ABOUT THE AUDIT WHERE A SUPERVISOR IS REQUIRED TO DO MONTHLY CHECKS ON THEIR OFFICERS. THAT'S NOT EVERY OFFICER OF THE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT'S RANDOM CHECKS.

THIS IS WHY THE NUMBER SEEMS TO BE WHAT IT IS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE REPORT, IT'S AMAZING.

WE WRITE OVER 3500 REPORTS A YEAR.

WE ANSWER APPROXIMATELY 7500 CALLS.

75,000 CALLS PER YEAR. OUT OF THAT, YOU REFER TO 5 REPORTS. I'VE ALSO HAD THE REPORTS BEFORE ME. WITH THE FIRST ONE, WHEN YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE GENTLEMAN WAS SHOT, IT WAS A GRAZE.

AND AT THE HOSPITAL, THE DOCTOR DID NOT SAY, THE DOCTOR ACTUALLY SAID, IT WAS NOT A GUNSHOT WOUND.

SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT ONE. THE VEHICLE THAT ONE HOUSE WAS SHOT AT, THAT WAS A GANG MEMBER AT THE HOUSE, NOW CAN WE MAKE MISTAKES? OF COURSE, WE CAN.

WE DO. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A PERFECT ENTITY. BUT WHEN WE FIND THE THINGS, WE TRY TO CORRECT THEM AND ADDRESS IT, SO IT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN.

AND THE OTHER ONE YOU REFER TO 199, THE HOUSE WAS SHOT.

YOU SAID, THERE WERE SITUATIONS, WHERE A PERSON WAS SHOOTING AT SOMEONE ELSE, WHICH WE DIDN'T FIND, WHO WE WERE.

THROUGH THAT, A HOUSE WAS STRUCK.

A CAR WAS STRUCK. YOU GET THE IMPRESSION, THEY WERE SHOOTING AT THE HOUSE AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

YOU SAID YOURSELF, THEY WERE SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER.

IN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS. >> CORRECTION, WHAT THEY WERE SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER, BUT YOU INDICATED, THEY WERE SHOOTING AT THE HOUSE AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE.

WE DON'T NEED TO GO TO DEBATE. I WANT TO ASSURE THE PUBLIC, THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HAVE THE BODY WORN CAMERAS AT THEIR REQUEST. WE DID EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY COULD TO ASSURE THEIR SAFETY AND GAVE EVERYTHING THAT THE GRAND JURY ASKED OF US, FROM OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE PUBLIC. WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS.

BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO FEEL SAFE WITH US, AS WE WANT THEM TO KNOW, THAT WE ARE THERE EVERY DAY FIGHTING FOR THEM.

THESE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO THE GUNFIRE.

WHEN PEOPLE ARE SHOOTING, THEY ARE GOING INTO THE GUNFIRE FOR THEIR SAFETY. AND YOU GET THE IMPRESSION, ONLY THING WE HAVE TO DO, THE CITY IS NOT SAFE.

WE'RE WORKING HARD TO ASSURE. >> AND THIS IS NOT WHAT IT IS

ABOUT. >> NO, IT'S NOT.

>> IT'S ABOUT FALSELY REPORTS. >> NO, SIR

>> DON'T MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE -- >> LET HER FINISH.

>> I DON'T WANT HER TRYING TO SAY, I DON'T HAVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE OFFICERS INVOLVED AND THE OFFICERS ARE OUT THERE POTENTIALLY GOING TO GET HURT AND I DON'T HAVE THE BEST INTEREST AT HEART. THIS IS NOT WHAT IT IS ABOUT.

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY THE POINT. I WANT THE CITY TO KNOW, THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING HARD FOR THE CITY.

[c. Resolution 20-R56 appointing members to the Sunrise Theatre Advisory Board.]

>> LET'S MOVE ON. >> THE NEXT ITEM, RESOLUTION 20-R56, RESOLUTION OF CITY, MEMBERS TO THE SUN RISE THEATRE ADVISORY BOARD AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS ITEM WILL REQUIRE A VOTE. I WILL PASS ALONG THE BALLOTS.

WE HAVE FOUR OPEN SEATS FOR CITY RESIDENTS.

AND ONE OPEN SEAT FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENT.

ON THE BALLOT, I WILL ASK YOU TO SELECT YOUR TOP FOUR

>> AND THE BOTTOM OF THE BALLOT, YOU WILL SELECT ONE.

>> I LIKE TO SAY, I WILL HAVE THE RESOLUTION, FOR THE SUN RISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

AND I WILL LIKE FOR THE COMMISSION, TO LOOK AT THAT AND

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IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO TONIGHT OR IS THIS SOMETHING WE WANT TO HAVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SUNRISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD. SINCE WE'RE IN A HIATUS BECAUSE OF COVID. AND BEFORE WE VOTE --.

>> SAY THIS, MAYOR. >> RIGHT NOW, WITH IT BEING QUESTIONABLE ABOUT THE SUNRISE THEATER IN ITS FUTURE, IT'S ALMOST IMPERATIVE, THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A FULL PLEDGED BOARD READY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES.

AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN MEETING, EVEN DURING COVID THEMSELVES. THEY CALLED ME IN FOR MEETINGS.

THAT'S JUST HOW SERIOUS THEY TAKE IT.

SO DON'T TAKE IT LIGHTLY. I WOULD SUBMIT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE GIVEN SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION

>> COMMISSIONER. >> AND I THINK WE CAN DO THAT ACT SOONER THAN LATER. HAVE THAT IN PLACE, SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. RATHER THAT TAKE THE TIME AND MOVE IT FORWARD. MOVE IT TO THE PRIORITY LIST, TO SEE WE CAN DO IT THET MEETING OR THE FOLLOWING MEETING. .

>> WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL ORGANIZATION.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT?

>> YEAH YEAH THAT BOARD AND HOW IT FUNCTIONS WITH THE FOUNDATION AND SUN RISE

THEATER IN GENERAL, PERHAPS >> WHEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THE RESOLUTION BACK FOR YOUR VOTE.

>> THIS IS THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER?

>> THE SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER.

>> DECEMBER. >> YEP, YEP, YEP

>> AND ARE WE GETTING ANY COMMENTS, ARE WE GOING TO ASK ANY BOARD COMMENTS. ADVISORY BOARD.

IS THERE SOMETHING WE WANT TO IMPROVE OR CHANGE UPON?

>> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I'M WONDERING IF STAFF -- IS

MR. MIMS HERE? >> HE'S MOVING AROUND.

IF WE CAN GET SOME INPUT FROM THE ADVISORY BOARD AND STAFF, IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT THE MISSION AND WHERE THEY ARE GOING AND THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS AND HOW THAT'S WORKING AND IF THAT'S THE RIGHT -- NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO LOOK AT THAT, I THINK.

DO YOU AGREE >> I AGREE.

>> AGREED. >> AND MAYBE I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE HAVE. DO WE HAVE A CONFERENCE AGENDA IN DECEMBER? DO WE HAVE THAT?

DO WE HAVE A CONFERENCE AGENDA? >> YES.

>> SO MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THE SUNRISE THEATER AT THE CONFERENCE AGENDA SO THEY HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT

>> WHEN DO THEY MEET >> ADVISORY BOARD?

>> THEY MEET EVERY OTHER MONTH. >> YEAH, EVERY OTHER MONTH.

>> AND MR. MIMS. >> ON A REGULAR BASIS.

>> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION, IN EVENS SH YOU WANT ME TO OBTAIN FEEDBACK FROM CITY STAFF, FROM SUNRISE THEATER STAFF, AND SUNRISE ADVISORY BOARD WITH REGARD TO THE FUNCTION OF THE ADVISORY BOARD. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> MEMBERSHIP AND HOW THEY ARE FUNCTIONING AN WHAT THEY SEE THEIR ROLE ON AND IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE OR INPUT THEY HAVE.

THIS IS A BIG CHANGE. THERE'S NOT THAT MANY.

IT'S A BIG CHANGE. MIGHT AS WELL DO.

>> I WOULD DO SO. >> THANK YOU.

>> DO YOU NEED TO HAVE A MOTION FOR THAT?

DO WE NEED TO HAVE MOTION. >> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE

ADVERTISED IN ADVANCE. >> I'LL GO AHEAD AND POSTPONE

[d. Resolution 20-R57 appointing an individual to fill an at-large seat of the Planning Board due to a resignation.]

SO THIS IS WHERE YOU WILL SELECT ONE.

IT'S AN AT LARGE MEMBER. COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, IF YOU

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I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE DON'T LEAVE WITHOUT THAT.

>> THANK YOU >> OKAY. WE'RE GIVING IT TO

YOU. >> I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE

HAD EARLY YEAR. >> WANT ME TO TAKE IT OUT.

>> I WILL HAND IT TO YOU. ALL RIGHT

>> SO THE BALLOTS ARE IN. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER.

COMMISSIONER, ALEXANDER, SELECTED MICHELLE CLEMENTS.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, SELECTED CHARLES BRYANT.

COMMISSIONER PERONA SELECTED NASHLE CLEMENTS.

COMMISSIONER SESSIONS SELECTED CHARLES BRYANT.

NISCHELLE CLEMENTS.LECTED - IT APPEARS WE HAVE NISCHELLE CLEMENTS AS THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THE FORT WORTH PLANNING

>> NEXT, WE HAVE RESOLUTION, R28, COMMISSIONER OF FLORIDA, ACCEPTING THE REPAIRS OF THE GENERAL ELECTION, AND AS PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

IS. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. >> AND I DIDN'T

>> YOU DIDN'T AM. WE DIDN'T NOT.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> COMMISSIONER, PERONA.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> YES.

[e. Resolution 20-R58 Accepting the returns of the General Election]

>> AND MAYOR HUDSON? >>.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MOTION IS SECOND.

CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, YES.

[f. Resolution No. 20-R59 determining that the structure located at 425 N 23rd Street is unsafe, has been condemned in accordance with the International Property Maintenance Code as adopted by the City Commission and should be demolished. A hearing to determine this matter is scheduled before the City Commission on December 21, 2020.]

>> COMMISSIONSER JOHNSON, YES. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES. >> AND CERTAIN BUILDING, STRUCTURE, LOCATED AT 425, NORTH 23RD STREET IS UNSAFE AND NUISANCE THAT CONSTITUTE, TO THE BUSINESS HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY. ALL PARTIES OF INTEREST, MUST SHOW CAUSE, STRUCTURE SHOULD NOT BE DEMOLISHED.

IN ORDINANCE OF FORT PIERCE. PUBLIC HEARING BE HELD AT THE REGULAR PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING, AT 4:30 P.M. IN THE CITY COMMISSION CHAMBERS, 100, NORTH HIGHWAY 1, AND PROVIDING FOR NOTICE TO ALL PARTIES. .

>> THIS STARTS THE PROCESS. ENTERTAIN THE MOTION.

>> CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

[g. Submittal of applications to serve on the Keep Fort Pierce Beautiful Board.]

>> MAYOR HUDSON, >> YES, MA'AM.

>> AND TO THE FORT PIERCE BEAUTIFUL BOARD.

[14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> THIS IS A TIME ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

YOU'LL HAVE A THREE SECOND WARNING

>> MR. SWEENEY, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> NO SIGN IN TONIGHT.

>> NO, SIR. >> YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE

RECORD. >>ED GOO EVENING, CURTIS JOHNSON, JR., 1501 NORTH 21ST STREET.

I WANTED TO ARISE THIS EVENING, TO PAY RESPECT FOR COMMISSIONER SESSIONS FOR SERVING DISTRICT ONE, FOR HIS PASSION AND VIGOR.

I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY, WORKING WITH COMMISSIONER.

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I SIMPLY WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MOVING FORWARD, I LOOK FORWARD TO PREPARE, PREPARING ENGAGEMENTS.

I AM CONCERNED WITH WHAT PEOPLE SEE IN THE INTERNET, ABOUT OUR CITY, ABOUT OUR COMMISSION. AND I'M EMPLOY YOU THAT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS, AS WE TRANSITION, THAT WE TAKE THAT UNDER CONSIDERATION. THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY, A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN THE BOARD. WE CAN AND WE WILL DO BETTER.

WE HAVE TO DO BETTER BECAUSE THE CITIZENS HAVE THE FINAL SAY SO, WHO SITS UP HERE. AND WE CAN'T TAKE THAT LIGHTLY.

WE ARE APPROACHING A COUNTRY RIGHT NOW THAT'S CONSIDERING ANOTHER SHUT DOWN. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE HEADED THAT WAY.

WE'RE HEADED INTO A SITUATION OF TRANSITION THAT IS CHALLENGING AND BEING CHALLENGED LIKE NONE OTHER.

OUR CITIZENS NEED US RIGHT NOW. TO WORK TOGETHER, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PROCESS, THAT HELPS THEM.

BECAUSE THEY ARE HURTING. I EMPLOY YOU, WE HAVE TO DO THIS AND WE HAVE TO MOVE THE CITY FORWARD.

I ASK YOU TO JOIN ME. WHEN I JOIN YOU ON DECEMBER 7TH TO DO JUST THAT. THANK YOU

>> THANK YOU, SIR >> ANYONE ELSE, WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ANYONE ELSE.

>> SO I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL MOVE ON

[15. COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER]

>> OKAY, NEXT, WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUR PUBLIC COMMI COMMISSIONER.

>> MR. REALS WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM COMMISSIONERS, AND AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S BEEN A FAIRLY LONG JOURNEY TO GET TO THE POINT, WHERE WE'RE REPAIRING THE A1A SOUTH OCEAN. AND I AM HAPPY TO REPORT, FOR FIXTURES ON PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT HAS BEEN ORDERED.

AND IF ANYONE WANTS TO SEE THE SAMPLE PRODUCT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROUND ABOUT, IN THE JETTY, SAMPLE FIXTURE HAS BEEN INSTALLED THERE. WE REVIEWED IT.

WE LOOKED AT IT. IT LIGHTS UP THE AREA REALLY WELL. WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DELAY IN OBTAINING THE FIXTURE. SHORTLY AFTER, YOU ALL APPROVED THE PROJECT. I BELIEVE AS EARLY AS THE NEXT MORNING. WE'RE GETTING E-MAILS FROM CONCERNED CITIZENS ON QUESTIONS ON THE PROJECT AND LIGHTS THAT ARE TO BE YET INSTALLED. WE HAVE SINCE WORKED WITH THE CONTRACTOR. AND WORKED WITH THE LIGHTING MANUFACTURER AND FPUAC. THE PROJECT WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL THE LIGHTS BEING IN THE AMBERED COLORED FIXTURES.

WE HOPE WE WILL HAVE THE FIXTURES IN HAND AND BEING INSTALLED IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, 2020 HAS BEEN AN EXCITING YEAR. WE HAD A BIT OF A WEATHER EVENT LAST WEEK. I KNOW THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTND AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, HAS RECEIVED SOME PHONE CALLS AND OUTAGES AND I'VE RECENTLY LEARNED, WE LOST ANOTHER HEAD AND SOME IN THE 1100 BLOCK OF SOUTH OCEAN.

SO THAT'S OF GRAVE CONCERN TO US.

FPUA IS AWARE OF THE ISSUES, WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING LATE LAST WEEK. THEY WERE OUT AND LOOKING ANYTIME WE GET A BIG WIND EVENT, I'M AFRAID WE WILL SEE SOME OF THE LIGHTS, LOSE POWER AGAIN. HOPEFULLY, WE DON'T LOSE ANY MORE FIXTURES, THIS FALL. THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THE PROJECT, WE ARE TO GET RID OF THAT SAFETY CONCERN.

WITH THE MOTION, THE WIND, VIBRATION, CAUSING SOME OF THE TERMINALS, WITHIN THE FIXTURES, WE LOSE POWER.

WE GET TIMES, WHERE THE CIRCUITRY WILL CAUSE THE BREAKER TO TRIP. AND THAT FPUA WAS OUT, LOOKING

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WITH PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT, ALL OF THE POLLS THAT ARE MISSING FIXTURES, WILL BE REPLACED.

AS OF JUST ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO, AN AUDIT WAS DONE OF SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE FROM THE JETTY ALL THE WAY TO BLUE HERRING.

AT THAT TIME, A TOTAL OF 109 FIXTURES WERE EITHER OUT OR MISSING. THIS PROJECT AIMS TO REPLACE 105 OF THE FIXTURES THAT WERE MISSING PHASE ONE AND WE WILL BE COMING BACK SHORTLY TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR PHASE 2.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM MR. REELS. >> IN THE NEW PROJECT THAT'S BEING SELECTED. THE ORIGINAL PROJECT, WHEN WAS

IT ORIGINALLY INSTALLED? >> WITH THE A1 PROJECT.

>> WHICH WAS ROUGHLY? >> YEARS AGO.

>> LIKE LONGER THAN THAT. >> I WAS ON THE COMMISSION.

IT WAS 10. THE CONSTRUCTION WAS 10 YEARS.

>> SO THE LEAD INTO THE NEXT QUESTION, WHAT IS OUR LIFESPAN

EXPECTANCY, OF THE NEW FIXTURE. >> AND THE NEW FIXTURE, HAS A TEN YEAR WARRANTY. THEY ARE A LED FIXTURE.

THE LIGHTING ELEMENT, IS EXPECTED TO LAST MUCH LONGER AND ALSO HAVE A MUCH BETTER EFFICIENCY RATING.

WE EXPECT TO SEE AN ENERGY REDUCTION WITH THE FIXTURES AS WELL. THEY WILL HAVE A TEN YEAR

WARRANTY. >> THE CHANGE IN THE TECHNOLOGY, WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE, WE HAVE A LONGER LIFESPAN.

WE HAVE LONGER LIGHTING CAPABILITY.

WE WERE NOT USING LED 10 YEARS AGO?

>> NO, SIR >> OUR HEADS ARE PROBABLY A LITTLE DIFFERENT. OF COURSE, WE SELECTED A LOWEST BIDDER, WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING.

IT'S NOT PART OF THE PROCESS. AND NOT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO LAST, ASSAULT AIR ENVIRONMENT, FOR LONGER THAN 5, 8, 10 YEARS.

YOU'RE EXPECTING THIS TO BE 10 YEARS.

>> THEY ARE FINDING A TEN YEAR WARRANTY WITH THE PRODUCT.

>> AND REMEMBER THAT, 2030, TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> FIXTURES THAT LOSE THEIR LIGHTING AND LIGHTING ABILITY. FIXTURES THAT FALL IN THE SIDEWALK, BUT IT DID HAPPEN. THESE ARE SIDEWALKS, WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE WALKING AND RIDING BIKES ON SCOOTERS, SOMETIMES.

THERE WAS A TRIATHLON THIS WEEKEND.

AND ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON. THERE IT IS.

DID YOU GUYS PICK IT UP OR WAS IT GONE ALREADY.

>> IT WAS GONE ALREADY. I'M ASSUMING, WILL GRAB IT IN

THE WEEKEND. >> AND IT BEGS FOR THE QUESTION.

IF I HAD TO GUESS, I GUESS ONE OUT OF FIVE HEADS OUT THERE, DON'T WORK OR ARE MISSING RIGHT NOW.

I'M NOT SUREMENT I TRY TO LOOK AT IT, WHILE I WAS GOING THROUGH THERE. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOSING THE LIGHT AND LOSING THE HEAD.

I WOULD SAY, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO GET OUT THERE AND MAKE SURE THE HEADS AREN'T GOING TO FALL OFF TO THE PEOPLE.

IF WE ARE REPLACING THOSE THAT ARE MISSING, IS THERE A WAY, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THAT ARE EXISTING, ARE THEY SAFE AND SECURE AND MAYBE HAVE A SAFETY STRAP OR SAFETY, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S REALLY SCARY WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

THOSE THINGS WEIGH LIKE WHAT? 50 POUNDS? THEY ARE FULL OF GLASS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE PRETTY IF

SOMEONE GETS HURT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA, WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND ANOTHER FIXTURE FALLING, WE WILL GET OUT THERE AND ASSESS THE FIXTURES. THE REASON WHY SO MANY OF THEM ARE MISSING NOW, BECAUSE THEY WERE RECOGNIZED TO BE LOOSE, AND RATHER THAN WAIT FOR THEM TO FALL.

>> AND WHEN I WAS OUT THERE, WE SAW THE HOOKS, AND MY WIFE, HAD PICTURES. NO WAY.

SO I WENT DOWN THAT WAY AND I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT.

IT DOES HAPPEN. I MEAN, IF WE'RE REPLACING THEM, IF WE ARE REPLACING THEM, MAKE SURE THE ONES THAT REMAIN, THERE'S A WAY TO PUT THE SAFETY STRAP, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT

NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. >> AND THE NEW PRODUCT, THE ARM THAT HOLDS THE FIXTURE, HAS BEEN REINFORCED TO HOPEFULLY REALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE.

>> AND IT'S AN INVENTION FOR YOU.

>> WHEN DO YOU THINK, THIS PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETED

>> THE PRODUCT, AND I SPOKE TO LANE TODAY.

ONCE HE HAS A PRODUCT IN HAND, THEY ARE HOPING IN TWO TO THREE WEEKS, TO HAVE ALL OF THEM INSTALLED.

>> SO IN THE NEXT 90 DAYS. >> YES

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>> THANK YOU. >> THIS HAS BEEN A LONG TIME AND COMING. THANK YOU.

I KNEW THERE WERE OBJECTIONS FROM THE PEOPLE THAT WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TURTLES AND PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER

THINGS. >> AND ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY. >> THE COMMUNITY REACHING OUT AND WE ALLEVIATED POTENTIAL PROBLEM AND WE'RE THANKFUL FOR

THAT. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> HAVE SOME MORE FUN STUFF TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT.

AT THIS TIME OF YEAR, THIS IS THE MOST FUN TIME.

WE'RE GETTING TO THE HOLIDAY SEASON. HOWEVER, WE HAVE A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC CRISIS, THAT IS ALL AROUND US.

NOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE, WE HAVE GIVEN PREVIOUS APPROVAL TO AND THAT'S THE PARADE, SIGHTS AND SOUNDS PARADE, THAT ANNUALLY ATTRACTS, WAS A 10,000 PEOPLE TO THE DOWNTOWN.

THAT IS A HUGE EVENT. THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I WANTED TO THROW IT AT YOU ONE MORE TIME. YOU ALL INSTRUCTED ME TO MOVE P PERMITTING OF SPECIAL EVENTS. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE. BUT IF YOU ALL FEEL COMFORTABLE, YOU SHOULD PRESS AHEAD. WE WILL GET FEEDBACK FROM YOU.

WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT EVERY CITIZEN AND EVERY VISITOR IN OUR

COMMUNITY >> AND COMMISSIONER PERONA.

I AM A MEMBER OF THE CLUB THAT HELPS ORCHESTRATE SOME OF THAT.

AND I'VE BEEN PART, OF THEIR BOARD AND SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS. AND IT'S INTERESTING, EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A DOWN SIDE.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE BIG SCHOOL BANDS.

I THINK IT'S MORE OF A PUSH FOR THE TRADITION THAT FORT PIERCE ALWAYS HAD. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE BIG EVENT.

TO BE ABLE TO DO A DOWN SCALE MODEL OF IT.

STILL HAVE THE FOLKS, THAT HELP SUPPORT THE SAFETY AND DIRECTION OF THE RACE AND THE ORGANIZATION OF THE RACE, OR THE EVENT.

YOU GOT ME ON RACE MODE. >> I'M NOT RACING.

>> THE PARADE. AND I KNOW THAT THE ORGANIZERS IN THE QUANTIS CLUB, WHO HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB, ARE TAKING IT IN TO CONSIDERATION. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT. AND I KNOW THAT, FROM A PERSPECTIVE, THAT U.S., THE CITY MANAGER, AND THE DIRECTION WE'VE GIVEN YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, SO WE'RE GOING TO PULL THE PLUG, IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN ENGAGEMENTS MADE ALREADY.

I'M JUST THINKING THAT THE WHOLE GIST WAS KEEPING THE TRADITION ALIVE, DOWN SCALE IT. PUT FOLKS IN THERE.

TELL EVERYBODY, GET OUT AHEAD AND MAKE SURE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL DISTANCING AND DOING EVERYTHING, THE PROTOCOLS THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD DO. IT'S REALLY UP TO US TO MAKE

SURE, THAT IS DONE ACCORDINGLY. >> FROM MAINSTREAM PERSPECTIVE, WHERE I'M ON THE BOARD. I SIT ON THE MEETINGS AND WE TALK ABOUT THAT. WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT EXTENDING THE LENGTH OF THE PARADE.

WE'E TALKING ABOUT CHANGING IT. WE'RE TRYING TO ADVERTISE IN SUCH A WAY, IF IT'S MOVING FORWARD, FOLKS ARE FEELING COMFORTABLE. FIGURE OUT AN AREA TO WHERE THERE'S LARGER SIDEWALKS, MAYBE. AND MAYBE WE USE AM SO OF OUR PARKER PROGRAM BARRIERS TO EXTEND THE WIDTH OF THE SIDEWALK SO PEOPLE COULD SOCIALLY DISTANCE MORE.

THERE'S STILL A WILL IN THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE IT.

THERE'S A WILL IN THE COMMUNITY TO BE SAFE.

THERE'S A WILL IN THE COMMUNITY TO NOT SHOW UP.

WATCH IT LIVE SOMEHOW. IF THAT'S AN OPTION.

THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS. WE'RE WORKING WITH FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OF COURSE. THEY ARE INTEGRAL IN THE ENTIRE THING. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE FROM THE STAFFING PERSPECTIVE? A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

. >> BANDS ARE NOT ABLE TO PARTI PARTICIPATE.

THE LIGHTING OF THE TREE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE E END.

>> IT'S A BIG CROWD. SO WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THAT LITTLE BIT, AND LIGHT THE TREE WITH THE LIGHTING OF THE SINGING TREES. AND LIGHTING THE SQUARE.

THOSE -- THAT'S THE INFORMATION I HAVE.

AND IT'S TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYONE TO

ATTEND. >> AND I'LL SAY THIS MUCH, IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY OF WELL-BEING OF THE CITIZENS.

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I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CALL YOUR CEO, THE HOSPITAL IS FILLING UP AGAIN. PCU FLOOR IS FULL OF NOTHING FOR THE MOST PART, COVID CASES. AND WHAT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY HAPPEN, IS THAT, THE HOSPITAL IS GOING TO BE SO BURDEN WITH COVID CASES, WHERE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE COMPLAINTS INDEPENDENT OF COVID ARE NOT GOING TO BE TREATED ADEQUATELY, BECAUSE THE FLOORS ARE GOING TO BE SO PREOCCUPIED.

SO WHAT'S REALLY TROUBLING TO ME, AND I HEARD MY NEW COMMISSION JOHNSON, INDICATED EARLIER, WE'RE GOING THROUGH SOME SERIOUS ISSUES. HE'S RIGHT.

ZIP CODE IN DISTRICT ONE, IS THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF CASES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE DISTRICT ONE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS A SERIOUS MATTER.

PARADES ARE SOMETHING IN OTHER PLACES.

RALLIES. WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? THERE'S A CERTAIN GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY DON'T CARE.

TO PASSES IT ON TO SOMEONE ELSE, I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR.

WHEN YOU HAVE THE LARGE CROWDS, THE VIRUS PASSES.

THEN YOU GO IN, MAYBE THERE'S NOBODY THERE THAT WANT TOSS PARTICIPATE. WHEN SOMEONE CATCHES IT, 2-3 CATCHES IT FROM THOSE PERSON. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL HARM AND WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN.

IF WE WILL DO SOMETHING, WE PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO DO IT REAL SOON. AND MY POINT IS THIS.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE WE'RE HEADED, AND WHAT IS PREDICTED BY THE SCIENTISTS AND THE DOCTORS, I DON'T THINK A PARADE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY. ESPECIALLY IN THE COUNTY.

WE'RE THE NUMBER ONE COUNTY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WITH CASES OF COVID-19. THAT MEANS PEOPLE DYING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND SO, JUST TAKE THAT INTO CONSID CONSIDERATION.

THE MOST JOYOUS OCCASION OF THE YEAR IS CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE TO SEE IT. JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, BECAUSE IT'S NOT BUSINESS AS USUAL. IT'S GOING TO GET WORST.

AND IF HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, WE WILL BE PART OF THE WORST END OF IT, IF NOT WORST. SO, THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

. >> I'M KIND OF CONCERNED, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE MANAGE CROWDS AND ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT, WE HAVE SPONSORED ORGANIZATION, AND MAIN STREET AND THEY HAVE TO PUT A LOT OF WORK.

THIS IS NOVEMBER 16TH AND WE DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL DECEMBER 7TH. IF LAST WEEK, WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN THIS WEEK, BECAUSE OF SOME THINGS THAT I HEARD IN TERMS OF PEOPLE I KNOW HAVE CASES NOW.

AND IT WAS THAT DISCUSSION HELD AT THE QUANAHS, AND CONCERNED IN THE PEOPLE OF KUWANIS, THAT YOU WOULD BE INTERACTING WITH

PEOPLE, TOO >> AND ALL I KNOW, THE VOLUNTEERS ARE IN PLACE. IT'S MORE, THEY'VE DONE IT EVERY YEAR, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT TO DO.

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THEY KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE DOWN SCALED AND THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.

THE COMMUNITY SAYS, YOU WILL GET A PERMIT FOR THIS.

THE MAIN STREET SAYS IT'S SUPPORTING IT.

YOU HAVE ALL THREE ENTITIES KIND OF GOING, OKAY.

LET'S JUST DO IT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S A GREAT IDEA. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE, WHAT STAFF HAS TO SAY, CITY IS BEING ABLE TO AVAIL THESE TYPE OF ROUTES AND HAVE SOCIAL DISTANCING.

IS THIS POSSIBLE? AND IF IT IS POSSIBLE.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK. CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WE'RE NOT DOING EVENTS THIS HOLIDAY. WE'RE NOT DOING ANY TROLLEY TOURS. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR CITIZENS, OUR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT: IN DOING SO, WE'RE EXPECTING THEM TO TAKE EVERY PRECAUTION, TO PROMOTE CLEANLINESS AND HEALTH. TRUTHFULLY, IT WOULD BE GREAT TO STAY AT WORK. IF WE HAVE A SOLUTION, IT WOULD BE DONE. FOLKS ARE CONTINUING TO CONTRACT THE VIRUS AND BEING HOSPITALIZED AND IN SOME CASES, PASS AWAY.

SO DO WE WANT TO TAKE A CALCULATED RISK? I DON'T KNOW. I COULD TELL YOU, WE EXPECT THAT ANY EVENT ORGANIZER, WILL EXHAUST ALL EFFORTS INTO PROVIDING THE PROPER SOCIAL DISTANCING, AS PER CDC

GUIDELINES. >> TO FOLLOW-UP, I THINK THAT'S GOOD ADVICE. ONE THING WE'RE DOING, WE'RE DOING THE MUSICAL TREES, AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I HAVE A PLAN.

I HAVE A PLAN. >> UNVEIL THAT.

>> AND GOING TO HAVE TO CALL SOMEONE ELSE.

>> I HAVE A NEWBIE. >> WE'RE HAVING VENUES AVAILABLE, THAT'S FAMILY DRIVEN, THAT DOES PROMOTE SOCIAL DISTANCING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND IN CLUMPS, WHEN YOU'RE LISTENING TO THE SONGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT

>> IF I KNEW THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY, I WOULD NOT ENDEAVOR. WOULD RATHER DEFER TO THE REST OF YOU. THIS IS A TRADITION THAT'S THE PART THAT KIND OF BOTHERS ME. I COULD LET A TRADITION GO AND INSIDE, INTELLIGENT PRECAUTION. .

>> AND TO ASIGN NUMBERS TO HELP KIWANIS.

THAT'S A BIG AM IN, WHERE DO I GO? I'M NOT SURE, IT WILL WORK FLAWLESSLY.

BECAUSE IT WON'T. IT'S PART OF THE PROGRAM TO HELP THE CAUSE. THE OTHER THING THAT WE COULD DO AND THIS IS A REAL OPTION. I DON'T KNOW IF FOLKS WOULD BE IMMUNABLE OR NOT. TO DO A REVERSE RAFFLE.

IS TO DO A REVERSE PARADE. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

FLOATS STAND STILL. >> AND THEY ARE DOING THAT IN

ZERO. >> THEY ARE DOING THAT IN VERO.

THEY HAVE FLOATS PUT TOGETHER. >> AND THERE'S NO VACCINE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE AROUND, FOR ANOTHER YEAR.

WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR ANOTHER YEAR, WATCH.

IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. WE GET COMPLAISANT.

I TRY TO DO MY BEST, WEAR MY MASK EVERY SINGLE MOMENT.

I HAVE A VERY BEST FRIEND FROM COLLEGE, HE'S ASIAN, JAPANESE.

THIS IS WHAT WE DO. WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU? I KNOW. HIS NAME IS MACKO.

HE JUST SAID, WEAR YOUR MASK. WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU? HE'S A CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE. I TALK TO HIM ALL THE TIME.

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TO THAT. >> I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE MAINSTREAM STAFF. WHEN I PROMOTED, I GOT NEGATIVE

CONCERNS ON THE SAFETY OF IT >> WE WERE WIN OF THE FIRST FLOATS, OR, WE'RE TAKING SANT CLAUSE'S PLACE, AS WE GO THROUGH THE FIRST PART. EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE THE FIRE ENGINES AND WE'RE THE FIRST GROUP, TOO.

THEY ARE EXPECTING US TO THROW COUNTY AND COMMISSIONER SESSIONS TO THROW CANDY AT THEM OR WHATEVER.

I'M SAYING, THAT FOR US TO SAY, SOCIAL DISTANCE AND EDUCATE, THERE'S NO WAY, A LITTLE KID AT CHRISTMAS IS GOING TO BE SITTING UP IN A CHAIR OR BACK BEHIND THE PARENTS OR SIX FEET AWAY FROM THE NEXT KID OR WHATEVER ELSE LIKE THAT.

WEARING MASKS. I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD JUST HATE FOR THE CITY TO PROMOTE ANYTHING THAT WOULD

INFECT ANYBODY IN A MAJOR WAY. >> BE SORRY FOR IT LATER.

>> WE'RE ALL GETTING SOFT RIGHT NOW.

COMMISSIONER PERONA, I HAVEN'T HAD THE VIRUS.

I'VE SEEN THE RESULTS, SEVERAL TIMES, TOO MANY TIMES OVER.

AND I WOULD THINK, MAYBE WE AS A CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WE CAN HAVE A DRIVE BY GIFT THING INSTEAD OF A PARADE.

SPEND THE MONEY FOR GIFT BAGS FOR THE FAMILIES.

LET THEM COME THROUGH OUR TREE LIGHTING OF THE TREES, LET THEM TAKE OVER DOWNTOWN, DOWN AND OUT AND BACK TO HIR HOMES, WHERE THEY ARE SAFE AND SOUND. THAT MEANS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE CARS. THEY CAN DO THEIR ROUTE.

I GUARANTEE YOU, EVERY YEAR, DOWNTOWN IS EXPLODING WITH PEOPLE. AND THEY WILL BE THERE, IF WE HAVE, WE HAVE A TEN CAR CONCESSION, THAT DOWNTOWN WILL BE FILLED UP BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPECTING IT.

FOR THEM TO EXPECT THE VIRUS TO GO AWAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY. NOT ANYTIME THIS YEAR.

SO IF WE CAN HAVE A CITY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE DO SOME GIFT BASKETS FOR FAMILIES I GUARANTEE YOU THEY ARE GOING TO SHOW UP FOR THAT, BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT AND THEY NEED IT. DESPERATELY, THEY NEED IT

>> SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS, WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE A PARADE, BUT HAVE MAYBE SOMETHING VIRTUAL?

>> I DIDN'T HEAR THAT, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I'M JUST ONE GUY.

I THINK THERE'S A GUP MEETING TOMORROW, TO PUT THE BOTH ENTITIES. I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND MAIN STREET, KIWANIS. I COULD SHARE INFORMATION UNLESS THERE'S ANOTHER DIRECTION, OF COURSE.

I TALK TO DIRECTOR MAIN STREET AND MANAGER.

SHE HAS CONCERNS ALSO, BECAUSE SHE'S BEING REAL AND SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IT AND OBJECTIVELY THINKING WHAT TO DO.

THE SAME FOLKS, WHY AREN'T YOU HAVING IT? THE SAME FOLKS AND THE SAME NUMBER OF FOLKS.

AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OURSELVES AND SOME PEOPLE FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT.

I COULD PARTAKE AND HAVE A MASK AND FEEL SOCIALLY DISTANCE.

AND IF I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE, I GO TO THE OTHER SIDE.

AND I COULD BRING IT TO THE GROUPS TOMORROW.

THAT HASN'T HELPED US AS A COMMISSION.

AND I DO KNOW AND I DO HEAR, THAT WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE SAFE. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO BE

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ENJOY THE FAMILY ATMOSPHERE. WE'RE STILL LIGHTING THE TREES;

RIGHT?. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> TALKING ABOUT MARINA SQUARE? >> ALL OF OUR FOCAL POINTS, WILL BE IN 17U, SUN RISE IN OHIO. AND ALSO GEORGIA AVENUE.

WE HAVE FOCAL POINTS, THAT WE ARE GOING TO LIGHTEN THE VIEW OF

THE CITY. >> MY POINT IN THAT, AT ANYTIME, THERE COULD BE MORE THAN TEN PEOPLE THERE.

AT ANYTIME. BASED ON MERE FACT, I SHOWED UP AND YOUR FAMILY SHOWED UP AT THE SAME TIME.

THERE HAS TO BE SOME COMMON SENSE PERSPECTIVES AND --

>> NOT JUST 5,000 PEOPLE. >> IT'S NOT.

>> IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT. >> BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK, IF YOU COULD REPORT TO THE GROUP TOMORROW OUR VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS.

> I HAVE A BOARD MEETING TOMORROW MORNING, WITH THE KIWANNIS CLUB. IF WE HAVE INFORMATION, THEY WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION TOMORROW MORNING.

>> BETWEEN THE TWO OF US. >> WE HAVE TO HANDLE IT.

>> AND WHAT IS IT? ARE WE -- ARE WE RESTRICTING PERMITS THIS YEAR FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE?

HELLO? >> I'M NOT READY TO DO THAT.

>> YOU'RE NOT READY TO DO IT. >> AND YOU KNOW OUR CONCERNS?

>> THEY WORKED HARD IN MAKING SURE ALL THE BASIS ARE COVERED, AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. .

>> AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. HOW YOU COULD MAKE ALL OF IT

SAFE AND SOUND? >> WE CAN'T.

WE STILL HAVE SCHOOL IN SESSION. >> AND WILL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU

ALL? >> I WILL SAY THIS, AGAIN, FOR CONSIDERATION. YOU'RE RIGHT, WE STILL HAVE SCHOOL IN SESSION. SCHOOLS HAVE HAVING A MULTITUDE OF ISSUES. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHAT'S CONSIDERED TO BE TRYING TO DO THINGS IN A NORMAL COURSE OF BUSINESS IS NOT WORKING. SCHOOLS ARE PRIME EXAMPLES, THEY ARE SHUTTING SCHOOLS DOWN, AND CATCHING CLUSTERS AND HAVE TO CLOSE THE SCHOOLS DOWN AND IT IS NOT WORKING.

SO I MEAN, UNLESS THINGS CHANGE AND I DON'T SEE IT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I JUST THINK EVERYTHING SHOULD BE FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, SHUT DOWN UNTIL FURTHER NOTICES.

AS FAR AS ANY GATHERINGS OR ANY TYPE OF PARADES ARE CONCERNED WITH POTENTIALLY PEOPLE COULD GET TOGETHER AND SPREAD THE VIRUS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL I BELIEVE ARE HAVING IN COMMON, THEY ARE JUST -- IT APPEARS TO BE, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO MAKE THE SACRIFICES NECESSARY. SOME ARE DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE SACRIFICE. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS LIFE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE LIFE, WHAT GOOD IS A PARADE. WHAT GOOD IS CANDY? THIS IS NOT A COLD. THIS IS NOT A FLU.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER.

THE DOCTORS CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT. AND WHAT WE DO KNOW, PEOPLE ARE ENDING UP IN COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER'S -- AND THEY ARE COMING BY WAY OF THE HOSPITAL. THEY ARE COMING IN RECORD-BREAKING NUMBERS BY THE COUNTY.

THEY ARE COMING BY NEAR THE ZIP CODE.

IT IS PART OF THE CITY. WE HAVE TO KEEP THIS IN MIND.

WE CAN'T JUST LOOK WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND IS, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE HAVE AN ISSUE HERE AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL DO WE CAN FROM THIS SYSTEM, TO AVOID PUTTING PEOPLE'S LIVES AT STAKE.

AND GOVERNMENT HAS CONTROL. DOCTORS HAVE NO CONTROL.

INDIVIDUALS ULTIMATELY HAVE THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS AND THEY COULD IMPACT IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, THAT ARE NOT LISTENING. AND THAT'S WHY ANY INDIVIDUAL, THAT PUTS THEIR LIFE, AND STEP IN AND CALL IT A DATE, AND STOP

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I WOULD RATHER, IF WE DO THIS NOW, PEOPLE WILL PUT THE MONEY, PEOPLE WILL PUT THE MONEY IN SO MANY DIFFERENT THINGS.

PEOPLE DON'T EVEN HAVE FOOD TO EAT AND PLACE TO LIVES.

TALKING ABOUT CUTTING PEOPLE'S LIGHTS ON.

WE CAN'T ACT LIKE IT'S JOYOUS. WE HAVE TO ADDRESS AND DEAL -- THIS IS EXTRA CIRCUMSTANCES AND WE HAVE AN EMERGENCIES AND WE HAVE TO MAKE SACRIFICES, ON TYPICALLY WHAT WE FEED TO DO IN

ORDER TO SAVE LIVES. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR >> I HEARD GREAT CONCERN, AND ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONER PERONA, OUR LOCAL SURVIVOR.

AND HE SAID, HE WOULD NEVER WANT TO FACE THAT AGAIN.

IF YOU RECALL, BACK IN, I BELIEVE MARCH, APRIL, MAY AND EARLY PART OF JUNE, WE HAD A RESTRICTION ON LARGE GATHERINGS AND LARGE EVENTS. HOWEVER, WE DID ALLOW SMALL GATHERINGS AND SMALL EVENTS. I DON'T THINK IT WILL SLOW DOWN ANYTIME SOON. BUT IF YOU WANT ME TO BE THE BAD GUY, WE CAN DO THAT. I BELIEVE, WE'RE BACK WHERE WE STARTED. I THINK FLORIDA WILL EXPERIENCE ANOTHER WAVE AS WELL. SO I WOULD SAY, MAYBE WE HAVE TO PUT A BAND ON LARGE GATHERINGS AND PROTECT OUR CITY.

IF THERE'S ANY DOUBT, WHY MOVE FORWARD? THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PARADE NEXT YEAR.

THIS IS JUST TALKING -- ME TALKING TO YOU ALL.

>> IT WILL BE STILL CHRISTMAS WITHOUT IT.

>> ALLINCOME PASSING AND I UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. THERE'S EVENTS THAT'S HAPPENING

EVERY OTHER WEEK. >> YES.

>> AND ENTERTAINMENT ISSUES, AND BIG ENTERTAINMENT THINGS GOING ON, SPORTS EVENTS, THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.

MOST OF THE FOLKS I'VE LOOKED AT AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SPORTING EVENTS, LIKE THE TRIATHLON, THEIR PROTOCOL AND THEIR POLICIES SEEMS VERY GOOD FROM WHAT I SAW.

SO IF WE ARE GOING TO STOP THE ACTIVITY ALSO, HOW DO YOU STOP

ONE AND NOT THE OTHER. >> HOW DO YOU STOP A FOOTBALL

GAME. >> HOW DO YOU STOP A FOOTBALL

GAME. >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO

DO. >> IS THAT A MYTH.

>> WE CAN TAKE IT OUT TO THE BEACH.

WE CAN USE THAT ALL THAT -- AROUND ABOUT, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FREDERICK DOUGLAS, YOU KNOW? IT'S PLENTY OF SPACE.

PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW -- I'M JUST LEARY OF NOT TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION. I ENJOY.

I ENJOY THE KIDS. I ENJOY THE PEOPLE.

I ENJOY. I NEVER WANT TO COUNCIL THE PARADE. MAYBE WE CAN RELOCATE IT.

THAT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING.

AND IT SURE BE A BLESSING FOR THE RESTAURANTS OVER THERE IN THE AREA. IT SURELY WILL BE -- I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR IT.

RIGHT. >> I STRUGGLE WITH, HERE'S WHAT I STRUGGLE WITH. I STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA, JEREMIAH DOESN'T HAVE TO GO DOWNTOWN TO ATTEND THE PARADE IF I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. NONE OF YOU ARE FORCING ME TO GO TO PARADE BECAUSE WE HAVE A PARADE IN FORT PIERCE.

THE OTHER THING, WE CAN USE TECHNOLOGY, THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE, VIA FACEBOOK LIVE OR SOMETHING ELSE.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. OUR GROUPS ARE WILLING TO DO THAT. WHATEVER THE TECHNOLOGY MAY BE TO HELP THE SITUATION. I'LL GO BACK TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WE WILL TALK ABOUT A CITY WIDE THING. WE WILL STOP THE LIGHTS.

WE NEED TO STOP THE SOCCER GAMES.

WE DEFINITELY CAN'T STOP FOOTBALL.

>> CITY OF FORT PEERS. .

>> WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE IS A BAN ON SPECIAL EVENTS, IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FOR GATHERING. THAT'S WHAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY.

THAT'S SOMETHING AS WE THE ELECTED BODY COULD CONTROL.

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>> THERE'S NO GOOD ANSWER. >> SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION, WE'LL TAKE A VOTE? ARE YOU JUST WANT -- WHAT'S.

>> MADAM MAYOR, BEFORE WE GET GOING DOWN THE ROUTE.

A QUICK QUESTION FROM COMMISSIONER MIMS.

>> HAVE YOU ALREADY ISSUED A PERMIT FOR THE PARADE.

>> PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE SENT THEM A

LETTER. >> I'VE BEEN REALLY QUIET, BUT THE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS AND SEVERAL OF YOU TALKED ABOUT, PEOPLE HAVE SPENT SOME MONEY. IF WE'VE ISSUED A PERMIT AND WE'RE PULLING IT BACK, I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF I RECEIVE A LETTER, DEAR MR. SWEENEY, CITY ATTORNEY, WE'VE --

>> DID YOU GET THE LETTER FROM THE VIRUS

>> I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANYTHING YET.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE RULES, WITHOUT ANY NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC.

THIS IS NOT AGENDA STUFF, AT ALL.

>> I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.

I'M NOT TRYING TO CAUSE A STIR. I'M NOT LOOK -- LOOKING FOR

FEEDBACK. >> IF PEOPLE WERE TAKING DETRIMENTAL ALLIANCE, MR. SESSIONS KNOWS THAT WELL,

FROM THE LEGAL FIELD. >> WHAT ABOUT FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE? DO WE NEED TO ASK THAT QUESTION.

>> I WILL TELL YOU, AS THE OPERATOR OF THE ADMINISTER TO HAVE ACTIVITIES FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

IF THERE IS A CIVIL, ENVIRONMENTAL OR HEALTH EMERGENCY, WE CAN PUT AN END TO A SPECIAL EVENT.

I DON'T CARE WHAT LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS WE FACE.

>> IS THERE A CONCERN, POLICE DEPARTMENT MONITORING THE EVENT.

>> WE HAVE THE BEST POLICE FORCE.

THEY CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> THEY FEEL SAFETY JOOP AND WE WILL FIND ANSWERS TO THIS BY TOMORROW.

I'M TALKING, IF YOU COULD TALK TO MAIN STREET, TALKING TO MY DISCUSSION AND BE ABLE TO FIND OUT IF, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM WHERE THEY ARE HEADED AS FAR AS THE PERMITTED EVENTS, FIND OUT IF WE HAVE SUPPORT IN THIS. I KNOW IT'S OUR DECISION.

JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING AN END TO SOMETHING THAT

ALREADY HAS STARTED. >> I COULD COMMUNICATE WITH EACH ONE OF YOU TOMORROW. I COULD GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND

MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. >> YOU'RE THE FINAL DECISION IN

THE PARTICULAR SITUATION. >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, YOU GAVE ME DIRECTION, IN JUNE, WE'RE PRESSING AHEAD.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTAL EMERGENCY. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR GROUPS, I WOULD LIKE TO BE FURY, AND

THEN WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS. >> COULD GET THIS DONE TOMORROW

>> I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S A MEETING.

>> THERE'S ONE NOW. >> WITHIN 24 HOURS, YOU WILL

HAVE ALL THAT INPUT. >> AND I END IN A GOOD NOTE.

THIS WEEKEND, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE ONCE AGAIN, HELPING OUR COMMUNITY WITH A FOOD INSECURTIES.