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>> GOOD MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.

IT IS JULY 13, 2020. AND THIS IS A CONFERENCE MEETING.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG ãNOT ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

CHRIST MAYOR HUDSON. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

>> NEW BUSINESS. I'M WONDERING IF BECAUSE OF A PERSONAL SCHEDULE, MEDICAL APPOINTMENT FOR ITEM OR AT D, IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FROM THE COMMISSION THAT THAT ITEM,

FIRST. >> NO.>> WE WILL MOVE THAT UP.

[d. Discussion of Fort Pierce Police Department body worn cameras]

4D IS A DISCUSSION OF THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT BY THE CAMERAS.

>> IS IS FROM THE POLICE ADVISORY BOARD. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> THIS ITEM WAS REQUESTED TO BE PLACED ON THE CITY COMMISSION CONFERENCE AGENDA BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THE POLICE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAVE ADDED A RECOMMENDATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION BUT THIS IS YOUR ITEM AND ALSO WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTAL RULES THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN ESTABLISHED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT LEAD-IN. I WAS LOOKING AROUND TO SEE WHO WAS GOING TO LEAVE THAT IN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. HIATT, STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> DO I NEED TO SIGN IN AND ALL OF THAT?

>> YOU'RE OKAY. >> WE KNOW WHERE TO FIND YOU. >> YOU KNOW WHO I AM.

MAY I APPROACH THE DESK TO GIVE SOME HANDOUTS?> YES, CAN YOU GIVE IT TO THE CLERK PLEASE.

>> HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE THERE? >> BEFORE I GET INTO THE AGENDA ITEM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME RUMBLINGS THAT OUR COMMITTEE HAS HEARD THAT WE ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH, WERE NOT OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHATEVER. BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT EARLY IN DECEMBER WE ARE TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A SURVEY AND WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT FINALIZED IN JANUARY AND OUR GOAL WAS TO GO TO DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY AND PASS THE SURVEY OUT.

WE WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE POLICE WEBSITE AND THE CITY WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE TO FILL OUT THE SURVEY SO WE KNOW THE WEAKNESSES THAT THE PUBLIC PERCEIVES WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND HOW WE CAN RECTIFY IT. UNFORTUNATELY THE CORONAVIRUS HAS SABOTAGED OUR EFFORTS BUT WE ARE STILL HOPING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND ONCE WE GET PAST THIS MESS OF THE VIRUS, PERHAPS WE CAN GET BACK ON TRACK WITH THAT.

AND THAT IS ALL WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. EVERYBODY GET A PACKET?

>> YES. >> ARE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS REVIEWED THE POLICY OF THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH REGARDS TO BODY CAMERAS. IN HER RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ENUMERATED. WE FOUND OUT THE POLICY WAS VERY GOOD, NOT ON THIS PAGE WERE SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT THE COMMITTEE FELT AS WE ARE LEHMAN THAT WE DON'T UNDERSTAND, TOUR OF DUTY, INTO SHIFT AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO WE SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE SOME OF THE VERBIAGE BE AMENDED OR BROUGHT TOGETHER OR A GLOSSARY GIVEN SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THOSE TERMS MEAN. AND HOW IT IS USED. WE FEEL THAT THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCIPLINARY ACTION NECESSARY BECAUSE IT IS ALL WITHIN THE POLICY AT THIS TIME.

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THERE IS SO MUCH SCREENING THAT GOES ON WITH THE BODY WORN CAMERA.

THE SUPERVISORS CHECK IT AT THE END OF SHIFT, AND THEN THERE IS RANDOM CHECKS BY OTHER SUPERVISORS THAT DO SPOT CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THE OFFICERS ARE DOING THEIR JOBS AS FAR AS STOPS AND WHAT OTHER POLICE ACTIONS THEREON. AS WE ARE REVIEWING EVERYTHING, I WAS NOT HAPPY WITH AXON STATEMENT. I MAKE ABOUT MISTAKEN THE CAMERAS BE OPTIMIZED. COULD YOU PLEASE ALSO GO HOME AND MODIFY IT OR ALTER IT OR ANYTHING ELSE. IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OF AXON CAME BACK AND SAID THAT STATEMENT YOU HAVE TELLING ALL THE BACKUPS THAT THERE IS NO WAY THAT INFORMATION ON THAT CAMERA CAN BE COMPROMISED. IT WAS ALSO FELT THAT AN ADDITIONAL PROPOSAL TO HAVE A MISDEMEANOR CHARGE TO A POLICE OFFICER THAT DOES NOT DOWNLOAD AFTER SHIFT WOULD SERIOUSLY UNDERMINE THE MORALE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE ENOUGH PROVISIONS THAT THEY ARE MONITORED BUT TO MAKE IT A MISDEMEANOR, OFTEN TIMES A POLICE OFFICER CAN BE 456 HOURS BEYOND HIS SHIFT AND AND HE IS CLOSE TO HOME EXHAUSTED.

FOR HIM TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE STATION BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE INFORMATION, HE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE STATION AND PUT IT BACK ON THE MACHINE AND THEN GO BACK HOME. THERE IS NO PURPOSE IN THAT. ONCE HE GETS BACK ON HIS NECK SHIFT, HE CAN DOWNLOAD IT AND IT IS FINE. THE COMMITTEE DID FIND OUT THAT IT CAN BE DONE AFTER SHIFT BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE AN INCREASE IN THE BUDGET SO EACH POLICE OFFICER HAS TWO BODY CAMERAS. ONE THAT HE WEARS DURING HIS SHIFT AND ONE HE IS DOWNLOADING. IN GO BACK TO THE STATION AND PICK UP THE OTHER.

THE COST WOULD BE $300,000. I DON'T THINK IT IS A COST THAT THE CITY WILL SPIRIT THE

MOMENT. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> MAYBE I'M MISUNDERSTANDING THE PURPOSE OF THIS. MY THING IS, IT WASN'T TO TAKE SIDES FOR ANYONE.

I WOULD NEVER WANT ANYONE TO TAKE SIDES AGAINST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO PROVE THAT AMONGST NEAR MY POLICE OR MY CONSTITUENTS BUT I DO WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE PRIORITIES OF OUR BOARD. SHIRLEY IS NOT LOOKING INTO A SPENDING MORE MONEY.

SHIRLEY IS NOT THE FACT THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT POLICE OFFICERS DO WHEN THEY GET OFF.

JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. THEY GO HOME AND SIT DOWN OR LAY DOWN OR GET THEM A BEER OR COFFEE. IT IS NOT TO SIT THERE AND SAY MY LIFE IS NOT OVER UNTIL I COMPLETE THIS. AND MAYBE I HAVE EVERYTHING WRONG AND NOT ALIGNED.

BUT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS OR WHAT MY COMMITTEE IS DOING. I THOUGHT THEIR PURPOSE WAS ANOTHER PURPOSE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. THAT IS JUST ME IN MY OPINION.

OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, OUR FUNCTION IS A COMMITTEE IS TO BE THE CITIZENS EYES AND EARS OF WHAT GOES ON WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND TO REPORT BACK TO THE COMMISSION JUST WHAT WE FEEL ARE CITIZENS ARE TELLING US ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS

FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING.

YOU REPORT BACK TO US WHAT YOU THINK. THE PUBLIC IS FEELING.

IF IT'S WRONG RIGHT OR INDIFFERENT. JUST THE FACT THAT YOU ALSO

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PURPOSE THERE.T IS NOT TO WEED OUT. THAT IS NOT YOUR JOB.

YOU CAN'T HIRE NOT FIRE. I THINK YOUR JOB IS TO JUST SEE THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RUNS SMOOTHLY AND AGAIN IT'S A MATTER OF OPINION. OF WHAT THEY DO.

IT'S ONLY OPINION, NOT THEIR DUTY. NOT YOUR DUTY TO DO THIS OR THAT. IS YOUR OPINION WHEN YOU COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSIONER.

I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF. >> THAT IS FINE, COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE'RE LOOKING THAT THE POLICY FOR BODY WORN CAMERAS.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TASKED TO DO. WE WERE LOOKING AT IT THROUGH LEHMAN'S EYES. I KNOW THE POLICY WAS WRITTEN BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR POLICE OFFICERS BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT CERTAIN TERMS, WE'RE NOT QUITE SURE.

WHAT IS INTO SHIFT MEAN, WHAT IS TOUR OF DUTY MEAN. WE WERE TRYING TO DISSEMINATE ALL THAT INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE THAT POLICY COMPLIES WITH WHAT THE CITY WANTS FROM THIS BODY WORN CAMERAS AND FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR HAVING BODY WORN CAMERAS. THERE IS VERY FEW DEPARTMENTS IN SOUTH FLORIDA THAT HAVE THE CAMERAS. THEY MAY HAVE ãMOUNTED CAMERAS BUT THEY DON'T QUITE DO THE JOBS IS HUMOR AND IS. TO A MAN, EACH ONE OF THEM SAID I WOULD NOT GO MY SHIFT WITHOUT THAT BODY WORN CAMERA. IT IS SUCH A VALUABLE TOOL THAT I CAN'T BE MISREPRESENTED BY OTHER VIDEOS. I HAVE IT ON MY CAMERA. THAT IS WHAT WERE TASKED TO DO WERE TRYING TO TELL YOU THE BODY WORN CAMERAS ARE GOOD TOOL IN THE POLICY IS PRETTY MUCH AIRTIGHT AND THERE MIGHT BE A FEW WORDS THAT WE RECOMMENDED BE ALTERED.

BY MARCH IT IS A GOOD POLICY AND IT IS ONE WE SHOULD ADHERE TO AND NOT PUT ANY FURTHER RESTRICTIONS OR MODIFICATIONS TO THAT POLICY. THERE IS NO WAY THOSE CAMERAS

CAN BE COMPROMISED AFTER SHIFT. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE LOOKING INTO THIS BECAUSE HE DID ASK YOU TO DO THAT AND I WAS ABLE TO ATTEND THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING LAST WEEK. AND THERE WAS GOOD DISCUSSION THERE.

PRODUCT TODAY IN YOUR TERM OF THE ADDITIONAL EXPENSE OF HAVING A REDUNDANCY OR TWO CAMERAS PER OFFICER AND YOU TALK ABOUT DEMO TIME. DID YOU GET INFORMATION ON HOW

IT DOES TAKE TO DOWNLOAD THE INFORMATION. >> IT IS HARD TO PINPOINT IT BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG THE SHIFT MIGHT'VE BEEN BUT ON AVERAGE IS AROUND EIGHT HOURS.

>> WHAT IS THE DOWNLOAD TIME ã MIKE THAT IS A DOWNLOAD TIME. HAT IS GOOD INFORMATION.

AT THIS POINT UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE, THE OFFICERS REALLY, BACK TO THE STATION AND PUT IN THE CAMERA ON THE DOCK OR THE DEMO STATION AND THEY NEED TO DO THAT REGULARLY EVERY DAY BASICALLY OR ELSE IT TAKES ADDITIONAL TIME FOR DOWNLOAD AND THEN THEY

DON'T HAVE THEIR CAMERA OR BACKUP CAMERAS. >> THE POLICY STATES THEY CAN DO IT AT THE END OF TOUR OF DUTY AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD TO LEARN.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN. WELL A SHIFT IS A NORMAL 11 AND A HALF HOURS PER DAY.

THAT IS THEIR SHIFT. THEIR TOUR OF DUTY IS THAT WEEK'S WORK.

WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE THREE DAYS. THAT IS THE END OF THE TOUR DUTY AND I CAMERA CAN HANDLE THAT MUCH INFORMATION FOR THOSE THREE DAYS AND THEN THEY CAN DOWNLOAD IT AT ONE TIME WHEN THEIR OFF DUTY. THERE IS NO LOSS OF CAMERA FOR

THAT OFFICER TO USE. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT AXON AND THEY GIVE US INFORMATION WHICH IS HELPFUL AND THEY PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION A WHILE BACK WHEN WE ARE LOOKING INTO THE PROCESS. YOU'RE VERY CONFIDENT AND OF HER DISCUSSION AND HE SAID IT AGAIN TODAY THAT NOTHING CAN BE DONE UNLESS IT'S AT THE DOCKING STATION AND THERE IS FIRMWARE ATTACHED TO EACH CAMERA OR EMBEDDED IN THE SOFTWARE THAT DOES NOT ALLOW ANY HACKING OR ANYWAY TO GET INTO IT TO DELETE OR MODIFY DATA.

; IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES OR. IF YOU NOTICE THE INFORMATION FROM AXON IS STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR WHEREAS AXON PRESENTED TO THE

COMMISSION A YEAR OR SO AGO OR MORE. >> ARE THERE ANY CLOUD TYPE

SERVICES HAPPENING AT THIS POINT. >> NOT AT THIS POINT.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> THIS ALL STARTED WITH PERCEPTION VERSUS FACT AND WE GOT WALLOWED INTO IT. I GOT CONFUSED AND I THINK EVERYBODY WATCHED EVERYBODY

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PARTICIPATED GOT CONFUSED ON CURRENT POLICY VERSUS MAY BE POLICIES THAT ARE COMMON IN THE US. IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KICK IT TO YOUR COMMITTEE.

I HAVE A SENSE OF ACCOMPLISHMENT WHEN YOUR COMMITTEE WILL REVIEW IT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT BECAUSE ANOTHER SOME FOLKS ON YOUR COMMITTEE THAT ARE DYING TO FIND SOMETHING THAT IS WRONG AND FREE TO COME BACK TO US AND SAY BASICALLY THE POLICIES EXIST IN THE POLICIES ARE GOOD POLICIES AND THEIR ENFORCEABLE POLICIES AND ARE WELL WITHIN OUR BUDGET AND FINANCIAL ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO SO AND THEY ACTUALLY PERFORM A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AND THAT IS WHAT I HEARD TODAY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. MY ãMIKE I'M NOT DONE.

ALSO THE IDEA OF STORAGE. ALWAYS WONDERED IF WE DID REQUIRE THIS MANDATORY DOWNLOAD THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ALSO NOT ONLY IN THE COLLECTION AND EQUIPMENT BUT THERE WOULD ALSO BE A STORAGE EXPENSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME ABOUT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE NEW POLICY TO BE UP TO DO THIS. AND I KNOW THAT'S EXPENSIVE ALSO AND WHAT WE END UP DOING AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THIS AT A PLIER MEETING.

I HAVE THINKING ABOUT WELL IF WE EXPAND THIS BODY WORN CAMERA POLICY ORGAN AND TAKE AWAY FROM THE BUDGET WE ARE TRYING TO PREPARE AND ENHANCE FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU GUYS ARE YOUR COMMITTEE WEIGH IN ON THIS TO BRING US TO SOME FORM OF REAL ESTATE FACTS SO WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISIONS. EWS AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A SIDE TAKEN AND I THINK HER SIDE WAS WAS APPROACH THIS AS UNBIASED AS WE POSSIBLY CAN AND DELIVER A PRODUCT TO THE COMMISSION THEY CAN DEAL WITH. AND YOU DID.

>> TO LET YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STORAGE. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE POLICY ABOUT BODY WORN CAMERAS. IT GIVES YOU DEFINITE TIME PERIODS OF HOW LONG THAT INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE STORED. ROUTINE TRAFFIC STOP IS 90 DAYS.

AND AN ASSAULT COULD BE SIX MONTHS AND IT GOES ON FROM THAT IS THAT A SPOTTER OF THE POLICY

AND HOW LONG THAT INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE STORED. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> I JUST WANT MR. HIATT. ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I WANT HIM TO ELABORATE ON IT.

WHAT ACTIVATES THAT CAMERA. IT IS NOT JUST THE POLICE OFFICER BUT THEY HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT ACTIVATE THE CAMERA IN MY UNDERSTANDING THAT TO BE RIGHT.

>> HERE IS THE POLICY COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. ON THE WAY TO A CALL, THE DISPATCHER TELLS A POLICE OFFICER MUST ACTIVATE THE CAMERA AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT THERE IS A BUTTON HE PUSHES ON THE CAMERA. IT WAS FOUND BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENTTHAT THEY COULD NOT LET THE POLICE OFFICER GET TO THE SCENE OF THE INCIDENT AND DO IT HIMSELF BECAUSE OFTEN TIMES THERE IS SUCH A COMMOTION AND THINGS GOING ON THAT THE OFFICER WILL FORGET. HE GETS EMOTIONAL. THE SITUATION IS OVERWHELMING.

ON HIS WAY TO THE CALL, HE ACTIVATES THE CAMERA. ALSO, WHENEVER SOMEBODY PULLS OUT THERE TASER, IN THE OTHER POLICE OFFICERS WITHIN A 30 YARD RADIUS, HIS CAMERA IS ACTIVATED. OR WHEN THEY PULL A WEAPON. ALL CAMERAS IN THE AREA ACTIVATED. THERE IS PLENTY OF COVERAGE FOR SITUATION.

>> I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT YOU SAID OF THE BACKUP IN TERMS OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE OFFICER BECAUSE THEIR SUPERVISORS ARE WATCHING THIS ALSO. THE DOWNLOADS ARE MONITORED.

>> ON TOP OF THAT ONCE A MONTH THERE IS RANDOM SCREENINGS BY OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT COME IN AND MAYBE SAY OFFICER JONES, I WANT WITH YOUR CAMERA AND LOOK AT THIS INCIDENT.

TO MAKE SURE THE OFFICER IS FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROTOCOLS ON A TRAFFIC STOP OR WHATEVER

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CALL IT MIGHT BE AND THEY MONITOR THE POLICE OFFICERS ACTIONS TO MAKE SURE HE IS WITHIN POLICE POLICY OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE ON ANY PARTICULAR STOP.

>> IT IS A WAY FOR THE SUPERVISOR TO MAKE THE OFFICER ACCOUNTABLE AND TRAINED HIM IF HE IS DONE SOMETHING WRONG AND IT'S ALSO A WAY FOR THE PUBLIC AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT IS WHAT WE ALWAYS WANTED THE BODY WORN CAMERAS.

WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD MAKE THIS VERY TRANSPARENT FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS.

AND ALSO IT WOULD HELP NOT ONLY THE PUBLIC BUT HELP THE POLICE ALSO.

AND ALSO THE STORAGE OF IT. WE KNEW IT WAS CAN BE COSTLY BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY HAVE REALLY OPEN OUR EYES ABOUT HOW COSTLY.

IT IS NOT JUST BUYING THE CAMERAS IN THE BOX. IT'S KEEPING THE STORAGE SPACE AND PROVIDING IT TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IS THERE A REQUIREMENT FOR DIRECTION AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.O THAT TAKES AWAY FROM POLICE.

I'M HEARING AN ECHO. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE IS WHAT YOU HANDED US TODAY IS ON THE BACKUP THIS AGENDA ITEM SO ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC LISTENING OR WATCHES THIS CAN GO TO THIS MEETING AGENDA ITEM ON OUR WEBSITE AND DOWNLOAD AND SEE EXACT SAME THING THAT WERE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE IT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME THAT WE HAVE A POLICY PUT IN PLACE. THAT WE DIDN'T INVENT THE WHEEL.

WE WORK WITH OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ALSO

HELPED US WITH THIS POLICY. >> WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE POLICE ACADEMY AND WENT THROUGH EVERY STEP OF TRAINING WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT AND I HAVE TO SAY OUR OFFICERS ARE WELL TRAINED. WE HAVE A TRAINING DEPARTMENT UNBELIEVABLE.

BASIC A MOMENT HOW MY WIFE KATHY, I COULD LISTEN TO THEM FOR HOURS OF THE BREAK.

WE GO TWO HOURS WITHOUT A BREAK AND IT WAS AMAZING, THE DETAIL THEY WOULD TELL THE OFFICERS.

THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO ON THE STOCK. PTHIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

WE WERE TAUGHT JUST HOW EXPLOSIVE SOME SITUATIONS CAN BE.

IT IS ALWAYS EASY BEING A ARMCHAIR QUARTERBACK AND SAME BOY THAT POLICE OFFICER REALLY ACTED IMPROPERLY. BUT WHEN EMOTIONS FLARE AND PEOPLE ARE SCREAMING AT YOU ALL AROUND, IT IS HARD. IT'S HARD TO REMEMBER THAT TRAINING.

GET PUSHED AND SHOVEL AND THAT IS WHY THE BODY WORN CAMERAS SUCH A VALUABLE TOOL.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> I KNOW I DID NOT HEAR ABOUT AND IT'S NOT THAT I'M DEFENDING THE POLICE OFFICERS BUT I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW HOW MUCH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BEING SCRUTINIZED. ANYTIME THE POLICE OFFICER INITIATES A TRAFFIC STOP I UNDERSTAND THE CAMERAS ARE AUTOMATIC AND ONCE THEY INITIATE THE LIGHTS THE CAMERA COMES ON. THAT IS JUST THE INFORMATION FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THE CAMERAS ARE WATCHING ONCE LIGHTS GO ON. AND I WANTED TO SAY ONE THING I HEARD HIM SAY ABOUT THE ARMCHAIR. I KNOW THEY HAVE THEIR REASONS, THEY HAVE THEIR RIGHTS TO ASK ANY QUESTION THEY FEEL AND WE SHOULD BE UP TO HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THEM AND I THINK THAT IS WHY THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE THIS COMMUNICATION AS WE ARE TODAY TO THE COMMUNITY AND EVEN TO SOME COMMISSIONERS. DON'T CLAIM THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYTHING. YOU NEED TO BE ABREAST OF WHATEVER IS GOING ON AND I JUST WANT TO LET MR. HIATT KNOW, THIS COMMITTEE IS DOING EXCELLENT.

BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE COME IN AT YOU ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WHY THESE TYPE OF THINGS ARE INITIATED.

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>> MR. HIATT. >> MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE TALKED TO HIM IN THE SUM OF THE MEETINGS, THEY TRULY WANT THE POLICE HAVE A PRESENCE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

OFTEN TIMES THEY ARE SCARED TO DEATH. THEY WANT THAT OFFICER THERE.

HEY WANT TO HAVE THE PRESENCE THERE AND HOW IT HAS EVOLVED THEY WANT TO DO FROM THE POLICE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT A POLICE PRESENCE. I THINK THERE IS ENOUGH CONTROLS ON A POLICE OFFICER THAT THEY ARE DOING A PROPER JOB. ARE THERE BAD POLICE OFFICERS? SURE. ARE THERE BAD DOCTORS. SURE.

NOWHERE NEAR AS SCRUTINIZED AS A POLICE OFFICER. ARE THERE BAD PEOPLE AROUND, YES. CLERGYMEN, YES. THERE IS BAD IN ALL OCCUPATIONS BUT WE REALLY SCRUTINIZE OUR POLICE OFFICERS MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY I'M AFRAID THAT MOST OFFICERS WILL START TO QUIT OR RETIRE IF WE PUT IN MORE RESTRICTIONS ON WHAT THEY DO. BECAUSE 99.9 PERCENT OF THEM DO A GREAT JOB. THEY WANT TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY WANT TO HELP. THEY WANT TO BE PUBLIC SERVANTS.

SO WE HAVE TO WALK THAT FINE LINE OF HOW MUCH CONTROL DO WE WANT TO HAVE AND HOW MUCH CAN

WE LET THEM BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND DO THEIR JOB. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> THANK YOU MA'AM. AND THANK YOU MR. HIATT.NE THING I'VE LEARNED IN TAKING THE COMMENTS. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS TWOFOLD.

NOT ONLY DID HE INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC BUT ALSO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ADMINISTRATOR STAFF AND THE POLICE OFFICERS THEMSELVES AND YOU TIE THE TWO TOGETHER.

IS NO DIFFERENCE WHAT YOU DO ON A WEEKLY BASIS. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE POLICY AND A START REFLECT BACK AND THINKING AND ASSUME CHIEF BERNIE AND MR. BROWNING HERE TODAY. FROM AN HR PERSPECTIVE, MATERIAL MYSELF WITH EMPLOYEES, THE THING I DON'T WANT TO SEE HAPPEN IS POLICIES, ORDINANCES TAKING AWAY FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE RIGHTS OF THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE NO MATTER WHAT THE DEPARTMENT IS. I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT WE UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THEIR POLICIES AND PLAY THAT ALLOW THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROFESSIONALS IN UPPER MANAGEMENT HANDLE, ADMINISTRATE AND COORDINATE AND GIVE THE POLICIES WITHIN EACH DEPARTMENT AND I HEARD YOU GUYS MENTIONED THAT A LITTLE BIT BUT I WILL SAY IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

IT IS UP TO THAT MANAGEMENT TEAM. IT IS UP TO MR. MIMS LEAVING THE CITY TO GIVE DIRECTION ON HOW WERE GOING TO OPERATE AND ALSO THE DISCIPLINE FACTOR BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE AND I KNOW YOU HAVE LOOKED AT IT, THE OFFICER BILL OF RIGHTS ARE YOU TIED IT IN FOR SOME DISCUSSIONS. THERE ARE UNIONS THAT ARE PART OF THIS PROCESS IN NEGOTIATIONS. SO WE CAN'T FORGET THAT WE CAN'T TAKE THAT AWAY AND I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THIS INFORMATION IN LOOKING AT IT COMPREHENSIVELY AND SHOWING THEM FINDING THE AREAS THAT SAY SUPERVISOR OF THE SERGEANT LIEUTENANT ON SHIFT THAT DAY IS RESPONSIBLE. THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAY-TO-DAY AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE INTERMITTENT AUDITS, RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING THAT OFFICER OR THAT EMPLOYEE THE DIRECTION OF THE DAY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN'T FORGET THAT SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO REMEMBER THERE'S ADMINISTRATIVE OPERATION HAPPENING OUTSIDE OF THIS DESK RIGHT HERE AND WE CAN SET ALL THE ORDINANCES AND POLICIES WE WANT TO FROM YOUR, BUT I EQUATE IT TO ENVIRONMENTAL AND HEALTH. HERE IS WHY SAID THAT.

WE HAVE A SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. IF WE HAVE FOLKS LEAVING TRASH ALL THE TIME ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD, THAT WOULD BECOME ENVIRONMENTAL AND HEALTH ISSUE.

WE DON'T HAVE AN ORDINATE SAYING WERE GOING TO DISCIPLINE AN EMPLOYEE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT DO THEIR JOB. THE DISEASE IN RODENTS AFFECTS HEALTH AND DISEASE IN LIFE AND SAFETY. THEY ARE RUNNING PARALLEL BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF WHETHER IT'S IN THE MEDIA, ON T.V., IF THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION VERSUS THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT I SHOULD SAY. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION AND I MINISTRY DEPA CHIEF DOES AND WHAT OUR HR DIRECTOR HAS TO DO AND WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAS TO DO.

THAT IS IMPORTANT WE REMEMBER THAT.> AND I WANT TO SAY, WHAT I AM LEARNING IS THAT THIS

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POLICE ADVISORY BOARD IS REALLY HELPING US UNDERSTAND THINGS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

IT'S NOT THAT YOU'RE ONLY TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY BUT LENDING FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHY THIS IS WHAT IT IS. WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO AND THAT IS SOMETHING PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY FOR TO KNOW THAT AS WELL AS I AM BECAUSE WE DON'T TAKE THE TIME TO POLICE ADVISORY BOARD DOES UNDERSTAND THAT. I KNOW I WENT TO THE POLICE ACADEMY ON TIME AGO AND I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT AGAIN BECAUSE LEARNED SO MUCH THAT SHE WAS AN AVERAGE CITIZEN DOES NOT KNOW. I THINK THIS COMMITTEE IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATION.OMMUNICATION WITH US IN, MEDICATION WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC. IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT COMMITTEE AND I APPRECIATE THE

EFFORT YOU PUT INTO IT. >> THE CHIEF IS DONE WELL. HAVING ROLL CALLS.

THAT BRINGS THE COMMUNITY IN. IT IS CALLED COMMUNITY POLICING AND WE NEED MORE AND MORE THAT BECAUSE THE MORE THEY RECOGNIZE THE POLICE OFFICERS, THE MORE THE REALLY BECOME AND THEY SAY HEY I DID THAT. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO RETAIN QUALIFIED POLICE OFFICERS AND AS YOU GO INTO THE BUDGET MEETINGS OR THAT. WE LOST A NUMBER OF OFFICERS

AND THAT IS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WE ARE LOSING. >> IS COSTING.

YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. >> QUITE A BIT. FIRST OF ALL, AS IT RELATES TO THE AMOUNT OF SCRUTINY ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, WHETHER IT MANDATES AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING, ABOVE AND BEYOND AN INTERNAL POLICY I BELIEVE IT DOES.

IN LIGHT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE RECENTLY WITH INCIDENTS THAT HAVE OCCURRED HERE LOCALLY INVOLVING HER POLICE DEPARTMENT, GEORGE FLOYD, SITUATION UP IN ATLANTA GEORGIA WITH THE YOUNG MAN. THE LIST JUST GOES ON AND ON AND ON.

BUT WHAT REALLY SHOULD STRIKE A NERVE IS THAT WE OURSELVES HAVE BEEN INVOLVED PERSONALLY AND WE DON'T HAVE TO READ ABOUT IT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT THAT IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE IN OUR FRONT DOOR. AS A MATTER OF FACT I HAVE ARE THE POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN DICTATED BY THIS ADVISORY BOARD WITH REGARDS OF THE SITUATION DEPARTING MR. MARCUS SEAMER.

THE POLICY DID NOT WORK. AS A MATTER FACT, THE BODY CAMERAS HAVE BEEN ON, A LOT OF WHAT WERE GOING THROUGH AND A LOT OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH IN TERMS OF CIVIL LITIGATION EVEN CRIMINAL PROSECUTION WOULD HAVE EQUATED TO AT THE END SOMETHING WE ALL COULD LIVE WITH IN TERMS OF HOW IT HAPPENED. AND THERE WAS A BIG? IF SO MANY AND ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE BODY CAMERAS WERE NOT ROLLING. VOLUME CAMERAS ãMY BODY CAMERAS ARE NOT ROLLING. THE MARKET SITUATION. THAT IS THE ONE I'M SPEAKING OF THAT REALLY SHOULD STRIKE A NERVE FOR EVERYBODY HERE BECAUSE HE SAT THERE AND HE TOLD US ABOUT THIS PERFECT SYSTEM AND HOW IT WORKS BUT THE SYSTEM DID NOT WORK THAT DAY.

WHEN I SUBMIT TO YOU AS OF THE SYSTEM WITHOUT A MANDATE IN PLACE WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT IT HAS BEEN DOING AND THAT IS WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WHEN AN OFFICER IS CALLED ON THE SCENE IF THE BODY CAMERAS NOT ROLLING. WAS IT A GOOD POLICY.

NUMBER ONE IT PROTECTS THE OFFICER. THERE IS NO SCRUTINY IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW HE HANDLED THE CALL BECAUSE NUMBER ONE IF IN FACT EVERYTHING IS DONE AT BINGLEY THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE, AND IT PROTECTS AND GUARANTEES THAT OFFICER

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WILL BE TREATED FAIRLY BECAUSE THERE IS SOMETHING TO SHOW THAT HAS BEEN RECORDED AUDIO VIDEO THAT EVERYTHING WAS DONE RIGHT. SO ON THAT DEFENDANT OR INDIVIDUALS IN THE CROWD POTENTIALLY DO THINGS OR MAYBE TRY TO SAY THINGS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY TRUE OF THINGS THAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED, THAT CANNOT BE SHOWN OR PROVEN THEN IT HAPPENED LIKE THEY SAID THAT IT POSSIBLY DID UNLESS IT IS BEING RECORDED BY WAY OF AUDIO AND VIDEO.

NUMBER TWO, FROM A DEFENDANT STANDPOINT OR FROM INDIVIDUALS AROUND OR EVEN FOR ME PERSONALLY, IF MY SON OR DAUGHTER IS STOPPED IN THE MIDDLE THE NIGHT AND THERE IS NOBODY ON THEIR BUT AN OFFICER WITH THE GUN, AND MY CHILD OR MY DAUGHTER, UNDER WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST SIX 6 TO 8 MONTHS. BUT WHAT I'VE SEEN I CAN SLEEP BETTER KNOWING THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE TO RECORD AND MONITOR ALL THE TRANSACTIONS AND BEHAVIORS BETWEEN BOTH MY CHILD AND THE OFFICER. BECAUSE LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, IT'S A DANGEROUS WORLD OUT THERE. AND I HEARD COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAY IN SO MANY WORDS AND I WILL NOT QUOTE UNQUOTE AND SAY IT LIKE HE SAID IT BUT SIR, THIS REQUIRES A LOT MORE SCRUTINY AND A LOT MORE STRINGENT POLICIES UNLIKE PUBLIC WORKS. UNLIKE PARKS AND RECREATION'S INVOLVING HER EMPLOYEES AND ENCOUNTER THE PUBLIC. THIS IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE IS YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL BY WAY OF AUTHORITY THAT HE IS A TASER AND HE HAS A WEAPON IN THE AUTHORITY BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO APPREHEND SOMEONE AND TAKE THEM INTO CUSTODY.

AND WITH THAT, ALONE, THE FACT THAT HE HAS THAT TYPE OF AUTHORITY, THAT IN AND OF ITSELF, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD REQUIRE MANDATE SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST THE INTERNAL POLICIES OF THE DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE AGAIN IT'S A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.

AND IT HAS BEEN WITH THE RECENT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING THROUGHOUT OUR NATION. AND THEY ARE STILL GOING ON. I WILL BE CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY. WHERE I WAS TOLD AND I WILL NOT OPEN IT UP FOR A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSION BUT I WILL TALK ABOUT IT BRIEFLY JUST GET MY POINT ACROSS.

THERE'S A SITUATION THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION YESTERDAY WHERE AN OFFICER WAS SHOOTING. AND FOR WHATEVER REASONS, THE TARGET WAS MISSED.

AND FOR WHATEVER REASONS, IT INVOLVED HER POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND FOR WHATEVER REASONS, I DON'T KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES INVOLVING THE INCIDENT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN KINDA QUIET.

BUT GETTING BACK TO THE POINT AT HAND, WE WOULD ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IF IN FACT AND I'M CURIOUS TO KNOW IF A BODY CAMERA WAS ROLLING. AND I WILL SIT BACK IN MY SEAT AND WAIT ON MY CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF OF POLICE AS WELL AS MY CITY ATTORNEY TO ANXIOUSLY WAIT TO SEE IF A BODY CAMERA WAS ROLLING. BECAUSE IF IT IS AND WAS, REST ASSURED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AMBIGUITY WILL BE ELIMINATED. NOW, LET ME START FROM THE

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BEGINNING. FIRST OF ALL, HE HAD A MEETING IN MY CORRECT, AND YOU ADDRESS

THESE ISSUES. >> YES SIR. WE HAVE HAD MEETINGS THESE LAST

TWO WEEKS ON THIS ISSUE. >> WERE TO THE MEETING TO BASICALLY.

>> RIGHT HERE. >> THE OF THE MINUTES OF THAT MEETING?

>> NOT WITH ME. I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD'VE NEEDED THEM.

>> WAS RECORDED? >> NO SIR WAS NOT. WE HAVE A POLICE REPRESENTATIVE

TAKE THE MINUTES. >> SO FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC, AND MYSELF AS WELL, AM I GOING TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE MINUTES OF THAT MEETING SO THAT I CAN REVIEW

IT. >> IF YOU REQUEST IT, SIR. >> HOW I DO THAT?O YOU KNOW HOW? HOW DO I GO ABOUT GETTING THE MINUTES?

>> YOU CAN REQUEST IT FROM SERGEANT BRAUN OR THE POLICE CHIEF.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> GOING BACK TO YOUR

STATEMENT. >>, MY FIRST PLEASE? I SAT HERE PATIENTLY AND I WANTED TO INTERRUPT YOU 1,000,001 TIMES BUT OUT OF RESPECT FOR WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS. BUT THEN AGAIN GO AHEAD. TALK.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GET BECAUSE THERE WERE MILLION ONE TIMES THAT I WANTED TO ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU BUT I SAT HERE PATIENTLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS YOU AND A TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES OUT OF RESPECT. GO AHEAD.

>> UNFORTUNATELY AM NOT AWARE OF THE INCIDENT YOU WERE DISCUSSING YESTERDAY BUT YOU DID MISS THE OFFICER PULLED AGAIN AND THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED ABOUT BODY ACTIVATED CAMERAS. WHENEVER A TASER OR SERVICE REVOLVER IS PULLED OUT OF HIS HOLSTER, THAT CAMERA AUTOMATICALLY GOES ON. NOT ONLY WITH THAT POLICE OFFICER BUT OFFICERS WITHIN A 50 OF THE 100 FOOT RADIUS. ALL OF THEIR CAMERAS ARE ACTIVATED. I CAN'T SAY WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT INCIDENT BUT I CAN TAKE

THIS CAMERA SHOULD'VE BEEN ON. >> AND I'M GOING TO BE SITTING BACK PATIENTLY AWAITING AND HOPEFULLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING TO BE TRUE BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

THE BODY CAMERA ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID ONLY WENT ON AS A POINT THAT THE GUN WAS PULLED. DO YOU NOT THINK THAT THE INFORMATION LEADING UP TO THAT IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST AS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN ORDER TO DETERMINE THE FATE OF THE PARTIES INVOLVED.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, ON THE WAY TO A CALL, DISPATCH TELLS THE OFFICER TO TURN THE BODY CAMERA ON. I DON'T HAVE THE INCIDENT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CAMERA WAS ON OR NOT. BUT THAT IS POLICY TO TURN THE CAMERA ON ON YOUR WAY TO THE

SERVICE CALL. >> HOPEFULLY WILL BE EMBASSY WHAT YOU JUST SAID TO BE TRUE IF IN FACT MANDATING BODY CAMERAS BEING TURNED ON IS IN FACT THE CASE, WHAT HAPPENED IN

THAT PARTICULAR CASE. WOULD YOU AGREE. >> YES SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> CAN I INTERRUPT YOU.>> THE PRESENTATION, THE AXON FOLKS TOLD US WAS AN OPTION FOR THIS PROGRAM AND THE SOFTWARE FOR 30 SECONDS BEFORE.

IT IS RECORDING WITHOUT REALLY BEING ACTIVATED. IT WAS 1/32 LEAD IN BEFORE THE REVOLVER FOR THE SERVICE WEAPON WAS PULLED. THAT WAS IN THE POLICY THAT WE

APPROVED IN THE AGREEMENT WE APPROVED. >> AND THAT IS GOOD.

BUT BEYOND 30 SECONDS, 30 SECONDS IS JUST LIKE THAT. BUT IF IN FACT ALL OF THE TIME AT LEAST FROM A REASONABLE STANDPOINT OF TIME, THAT LED UP TO THAT OFFICER PULLING THAT GUN, I'M SURE IT WOULD HAPPEN HOPEFULLY IT WILL ELIMINATE A LOT OF AMBIGUITY IN TERMS OF THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT AND WHAT HAPPENED, IF THE BODY CAMERA HAVE BEEN ROLLING AT THE POINT THAT THE OFFICER HAD COME IN UNTIL THE TIME HE LEFT. WE CERTAINLY WOULD AFFECT COVERAGE BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT. BUT WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DONE IF THE GUN IS PULLED AND PERHAPS GIVEN DEFERENCE TO WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS SAYING, 30 SECONDS BEFORE BUT THIS IS BIGGER THAN 30 SECONDS IN MOST INSTANCES BECAUSE THE SITUATION INVOLVING AN OFFICER WHERE GUN IS BEING PULLED AND THAT SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES LEADING TO THE OUTCOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE PARTIES, WHAT WAS GOING ON ON THE SCENE THAT LED TO THAT ARE VITAL IN AN INVESTIGATION.SO THIS JUST

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ONE INCIDENT. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE DEMARCUS'S SITUATION BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. NOBODY CAMERAS. WILL NOT GET INTO THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED AT LONGWOOD BECAUSE WE KNOW NOBODY CAMERAS. AS A MATTER FACT THEY WERE TOLD TO MAKE SURE THEY WEREN'T ON. FROM WHAT I READ, FROM THE REPORT.

NOBODY CAMERAS. BUT WE DID HAVE OR SECURITY CAMERAS IN THE HOSPITAL THAT OUR CAMERAS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING WITH THE HOSPITAL CAMERAS DOING AND THANKS BE TO GOD WE DID HAVE SOMEBODY RECORDING THAT IS IN IT BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT KNOW AGAIN WHAT WENT ON AND IT WOULD HAVE LEFT SO MUCH ROOM FOR A LOT OF AMBIGUITY AND UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

AS FAR AS THAT BEATING IS CONCERNED, ãMIKE MEETING THAT YOU HAD, WAS THE PUBLIC PUT ON

NOTICE ABOUT THE TISSUE SO THEY COULD COME IN AND PARTICIPATE. >> IT'S ON YOUR AGENDA.

>> I'M ASKING YOU. AS FAR AS YOUR ADVISORY BOARD IS CONCERNED, DID YOU REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC BY WAY OF SOME FORM OF NOTICE OR ADVERTISEMENT ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

>> NO SIR WE DID NOT. >> IT IS REQUIRED. YOUR STAFF DID.

IT IS A PUBLICLY NOTICE MEETING. EVERY MEETING HAS TO BE

PUBLICLY NOTICED. YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR STAFF DID. >> I TAKE IT THAT ONCE I DO GET THESE MINUTES FROM THIS INDIVIDUAL. WHAT DID YOU SAY HIS NAME WAS?

>> JASON BRAUN. SERGEANT JASON BRAUN. >> I WILL BE UP TO SEE WHO THE PARTICIPANTS WERE IN EVERYTHING LEADING UP TO IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE REGARDING.

YOU OKAY. >> I'M FINE. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> HOLDS A SECOND BECAUSE I'M FEELING UNCOMFORTABLE.> I DON'T MEAN TO MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.> YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL UNCOMFORTALE. HIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT BODY WORN CAMERAS WE HAVE A REPORT FROM OUR COMMITTEE.T STARTED BEFORE YOU GOT HERE COMMISSIONER. MR. HIATT WENT THROUGH IT VERY SPECIFIC REPORT AND WE ARE ABOUT READY TO SUM IT UP IN OUR BACK INTO DISCUSSIONS THAT I

DON'T THINK ARE NECESSARILY GERMANE TO THE ISSUE. >> WELL IT IS GERMANE FOR ME.

NUMBER ONE, I CAME HERE PURPOSELY AT THE END OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.

I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT'S BEEN SAID BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION. SO FOR YOU TO TRY TO DRAW AN

INFERENCE. CAN I FINISH PLEASE. >> YOUR ATTACKING AND I WILL

CALL YOU OUT ON IT. >> PLEASE DO. FOR YOU TO DRAW AN INFERENCE THAT ME COMING IN AT THE POINT THAT I AM COMING IN DOES NOT ALLOW ME TO BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF THE BOARD THAT I AM MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS, AT LEAST MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO ME REGARDING BRODY CAMERA ACTIVITY, I'M CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO CEASED.

THE REASON WHY I'M NOT GOING TO CEASE IS BECAUSE NUMBER ONE, THIS IS SERIOUS ISSUE.

AND YOU AGREED AND I AGREED TO HAVE IT ON A CONFERENCE AGENDA. AND THE MERE FACT THAT I AM QUESTIONING THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING HIS RECOMMENDATIONS AND FOR YOU TO SIT NEXT TO ME AND IMPULSIVELY BREATHED IN AND OUT AS IF YOU ARE TRYING TO SHOW SOME FORM OF INTIMIDATION TO ME IS SOMETHING I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.

>> MAYOR, THIS IS A POINT OF ORDER IN THIS IS AN ATTACK AND HE NEEDS GET ON ABOUT HIS

BUSINESS. AND LEAVE ME ALONE. >> I WILL BRING IT UP IF YOU

MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE. >> GENTLEMEN, LISTEN TO ME. MR. HIATT WENT FIRST AT THE DISCRETION OF ME IN THE COMMISSION BECAUSE HE HAS AN APPOINTMENT.

COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, IF YOU CAN RAPIDLY GO THROUGH WHAT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH, SO THIS CAN

BE DONE IN A TIMELY FASHION. >> MA'AM, PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT STAKE IN THIS ISSUE IS

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SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ONLY IMPACT OF THE GLOBE, THE NICE IT'S AMERICA, THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BUT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND REST ASSURED, I'M GOING TO ASSESS EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF INFORMATION REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT OFFICERS SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT HAVE THEIR BODY CAMERAS ROLLING WHILE THEY ARE ENGAGED IN ANY TYPE OF TRANSACTION BETWEEN THE CITIZENS AND THEMSELVES. AND I WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY ANYBODY HERE. BECAUSE WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS GUARANTEE THOSE THAT ELECTED ME WILL GET THE SATISFACTION OF JUSTICE UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES.IN THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, I WAS ON THE ROLE AS BEING CITY COMMISSIONER DISTRICT ONE WHICH HAPPENS TO BE AN AT-LARGE POSITION SO I AM ENTITLED TO QUESTION THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND I WILL NOT DO IT IN AN CULPABLE POSITION OR HAVE A COLLEAGUE OF MINE CONSTANTLY BREATHING DOWN MY NECK AND HUFFING AND PUFFING. NOW, GETTING BACK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND. AND THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO THESE THINGS.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU GO ON THE RECORD. NOW, AS I WAS ABOUT TO ASK YOU EARLIER, AS FAR AS THE POLICY PUT IN PLACE OR THAT YOU SPENT TIME AND EFFORT IN GIVING US THIS MORNING, WHAT YOU HAVE TO GUARANTEE THAT EACH OFFICER DOES IN FACT LIVE UP TO THIS

PERFECT POLICY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US THIS MORNING. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION MR. SESSIONS. WHAT GUARANTEE DO YOU HAVE IF YOU GO TO A HOSPITAL THAT HAS A CERTAIN POLICY AND THAT DOCTOR DOES NOT MAKE A MISTAKE. WHAT GUARANTEE DO YOU HAVE THERE. THE POLICE OFFICERS MAKE A MISTAKE, ABSOLUTELY.

YOU PUT A POLICY IN PLACE TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THOSE MISTAKES. THAT IS ALL YOU CAN DO.

ARE HUMANS PERFECTLY ABSOLUTELY NOT. AM I PERFECT? I'M NOT EVEN CLOSE. BUT YOU TRY AS HARD AS YOU CAN. YOU MAKE THAT POLICY TO MAKE THAT OFFICER ADHERE TO THAT POLICY. ARE THEY PERFECT?

NO. >> I LIKE THAT. I LIKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

HE BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING POINT. WHAT DO I DO? I TELL YOU WHAT I DO IN REGARDS TO THAT DOCTOR. I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT EITHER WILL HOLD THEMSELVES TO A HIGHER STANDARD IF HE KNOWS THAT HE HIMSELF COULD BE PUNISHED OR HE HIMSELF OR SOMETHING WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM BY WAY OF PENALTIES, BY WAY OF A FINE, SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS THEM DIRECTLY. HE WILL IN FACT HOLD HIMSELF TO A HIGHER STANDARD. HOWEVER, IF HE HAS NOTHING IN PLACE TO COVER HIM.

LIKE A LOT OF OFFICERS, THEIR POLICIES IN PLACE THAT THEY ARE NOT DIRECTLY IMPACTED AS A RESULT OF THEIR FAILURE TO DO SOMETHING. AND GUESS WHAT.

IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. BUT IF WE PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE, WHERE IT IMPACTS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS THE DISCRETION TO DO SO, THEN IN FACT YOU WILL GET BETTER AND THEY WILL GET A LOT BETTER IN TERMS OF HOW THEY HANDLED THE SITUATION.

>> CAN HE INTERRUPT YOU? COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER, I HEAR YOU.

IT WENT INTO EFFECT IN ITS ON THE TITLE PAGE, JULY 1, 2017, POLICY AND PROCEDURE FOR THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE THAT. WE HAVE IT IN PLACE.

AND SO I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT. WE HAVE IT.

AND IT'S UP TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGEMENT THAT HANDLED THE DISCIPLINE OF THOSE WHO FAIL TO DO THEIR JOB. IT IS THEIR JOB TO MAKE SURE OTHERS ARE ALWAYS WITH HER JOB AND THE PENALTY IS YOU MAY LOSE YOUR JOB IF YOU DON'T LOSE YOUR JOB.VERYONE IN THIS ROOM HAVE SOMEONE ANSWER TO AND YOU MAY LOSE YOUR JOB IF YOU DON'T DO YOUR JOB.

AND THAT POLICY AND WHAT OUR COMMITTEE REVIEWED, THEY DID NOT PROPOSE THIS THAT I'M AWARE OF. THEY DID NOT WRITE THE WORDS ON PAPER, THE ADVICE AND SAT WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND ADMINISTER THE STAFF AND THEY BROUGHT THIS POLICY TO US AND

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IT WAS DRAFTED IN AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE. NOVEMBER 2016 AN EFFECTIVE DATE JULY 2017. AND SO WE ASKED HIM TO REVIEW IT AND THEY MAKE COMMENTS AND ADMIT A COUPLE OF UPGRADES OR CHANGES IN DEFINITIONS AND THAT IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

IN THE CASE OF MR. SEAMER, THERE WAS NO POLICY. THIS WAS BORN OUT OF THAT.

I WAS NOT EVEN UP THERE. I WAS IN THE SPRING OF 2016 AND I SAT THERE COMMISSION HEARINGS AND DISCUSSIONS, POLICY WAS ON NOVEMBER 2016, SIX MONTHS LATER AN EFFECTIVE DATE IN JULY A

YEAR LATER. >> WAS THERE POLICY IN PLACE WHEN THAT INCIDENT HAPPENED IN

LONGWOOD. >> I HAVE NO IDEA AND I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.I'M LOOKING AT

THIS POLICY TODAY. >> WHAT YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS NO POLICY PUT IN PLACE WHEN IT HAPPENED TO DEMARCUS SEAMER AND YOU WANT TO BE TO DRAW AN INFERENCE IN TERMS OF MY ARGUMENT SO I WOULD TAKE IT AS SOMETHING AS RECENT AS LONGWOOD.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN IDEA TO KNOW BECAUSE IF THAT IS THE CASE, IT DIDN'T WORK.

IF IT WAS IN PLACE IT DID NOT WORK BECAUSE THEY DID NOT DO IT.

>> AND THAT WAS AN OFF-DUTY THING INSIDE OF THE MEDICAL FACILITY.

I DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT BECAUSE I SEEN IT. >> LET ME INTERJECT ON THAT COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. ACTION WAS TAKEN IMMEDIATELY. THE OFFICERS DID NOT ADHERE TO THE POLICY AND THEY WERE IMMEDIATELY FIRED AND FDLE WAS BROUGHT IN TO INVESTIGATE.

ACTION WAS TAKEN. WAS IT A BACK COP? ABSOLUTELY.

WAS HE WRONG? ABSOLUTELY. BUT ACTION WAS TAKEN AT RID OF HIM. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT TO GET FROM A POLICY.F YOU HAVE A

BAD HIRE YOU CAN GET RID OF THAT PERSON. >> WHAT I WANT IS THIS, WHEN THAT INDIVIDUAL SPANISH, I DON'T WANT HIM TO BE UP TO GET WALK AWAY FROM THE CITY FORT PIERCE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND GET ANOTHER JOB BECAUSE HE RESIGNED.

WHEN THAT INDIVIDUAL VIOLATES A POLICY, I WANT HIM TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR SOMETHING TO POTENTIALLY BE TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM IN THE INCIDENT YOU JUST DESCRIBED, HE WAS NOT.

PUNISHED. WHAT HAPPENED WAS HE WAS GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO WHAT? RESIGNED AND THAT OPENS HIM UP TO GO ELSEWHERE AND APPLY FOR A JOB SOMEWHERE ELSE.

WHAT I WANT IS THIS, I WANT SOMETHING. AND I WILL GO ON THE RECORD AS SAYING THIS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SOMETHING AS STRINGENT AS AN ORDINANCE AND PITTING AN OFFICER IN JAIL. WHEN WE SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.

IF IT DOES LEAD TO THAT SO BE IT BUT WHAT I WANT IS A POLICY OUTSIDE OF THIS POLICY TO GUARANTEE THE CITIZENS GIVE SOME TYPE OF SATISFACTION THAT THERE IS TRANSPARENCY PUT IN PLACE OTHER THAN THE CHIEF OR THE SERGEANT OR LIEUTENANT GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESIGN. I WANT SOMETHING WITH SOME TEETH TO IT.

PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT STAKE AND WE CAN SIT HERE RIGHT IN THIS BUILDING THIS MORNING AND PRETEND LIKE NOTHING IS GOING ON BUT I SUBMIT TO YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WE HAVE SOME MAJOR PROBLEMS AND IF WE DON'T ADDRESS ON BUT ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE OFFICERS OUT THERE AND THE LACK OF EXPERIENCE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME THINGS EXPLODE ALMOST NONE OF US WANTS THAT. I WANT TO BE MORE PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT AN OFFICER IN JAIL. WHAT I WANT IS ON SOMETHING THESE POLICYMAKERS CAN GUARANTEE THAT THIS POLICY IS BEING FOLLOWED.

AND IF NOT, THEN THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES OTHER THAN ANSWERING TO THE ADMINISTRATOR.

THAT IS ALL I'M SAYING. BUT GETTING BACK TO THE ISSUE AT HAND, HE TALKED ABOUT COST.

AND BY THE WAY THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO BE ABLE TO REDACT AND GET THIS INFORMATION, HOW IT WILL BE COSTLY.

NOW, HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND ASSESS OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE MORE STRINGENT THAN OURS TO SEE IF IN FACT THERE IS A COST SAVINGS WE COULD DO TO ELIMINATE WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER WITH REGARDS TO COST.

>> THE ONLY TIME I MENTION COST WAS WHEN I SAID WE COULD HAVE BACKUP CAMERAS FOR EACH OFFICER SO THEY COULD COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST, THAT THAT INFORMATION IS DOWNLOADED AT THE END OF

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EACH SHIFT. OTHERWISE THEY DO IT AT THE END OF TOUR OF DUTY.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO HAVE BACKUP CAMERAS WHICH WILL COST ABOUT $300,000 FOR EACH MAN HAVE ONE PLUS THE ADDITIONAL STORAGE, I'M NOT SURE YOU'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.

>> THE SOME TALKING ABOUT.E TALKED ABOUT THE COST. NOW YOU TELL ME HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING OUT YOU SAY YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE COST. THE STILL OF THE COST.

MY QUESTION AND YOU IS, HAVE YOU GONE OUT IS WORKING WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS WHETHER OR NOT COST IS SOMETHING THAT IS GREAT THAT WOULD EXPLORE US FROM PUT THIS

IN PLACE.ASALA MASKING. >> WE ARE DOING WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND WE ARE SO PROUD THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED BODY CAMERAS.

DO YOU REALIZE OR ONE OF THE ONLY JURISDICTIONS IN SOUTH FLORIDA THAT HAVE BODY WORN THA.

NOBODY ELSE IS WILLING TO SPEND THAT MONEY. BUT FORT PIERCE DID IT.

WE SCRUTINIZE OUR OFFICERS. THEY LIKE THAT PARTICULAR ITEM ON THEM.

THEY FEEL SAFE AND COMFORTABLE. >> YOU KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED? THAT HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF INCIDENTS PRIOR TO THAT BECAUSE OF LACK OF COVERAGE, IT LED TO THE CITY MAKING THAT INVESTMENT SO WE COULD ELIMINATE THOSE ISSUES FROM EVOLVING.S A MATTER FACT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAD SOME INVOLVEMENT IN THAT. REMEMBER.

>> YES OR. >> WE KNOW WHAT TO DO. I ASSURE YOU.

CAN WE FOR ONE, OUR JURISDICTION HAS STEPPED OUT. I'LL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH BLEEDING.Y CONCERN IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GUARANTEE THE SAFETY OF INDIVIDUALS SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT MY POINT AGAIN IS THIS, WHAT WE HAVE OTHER THAN AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT IS PERFECT FROM PERHAPS OUR STANDPOINT TO SOME DEGREE BUT A GUARANTEE THAT IT COMES CLOSE TO GUARANTEEING THAT IT IS IMPLEMENTED ACROSS THE BOARD AND IF NOT HER CIRCUMSTANCES AND CONSEQUENCES THAT AN INDIVIDUAL WILL PAY AS A RESULT

OF THEIR FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THIS POLICY. >> META-MAYOR.

>> THE CONSEQUENCES ARE IN THE POLICY. BUT LET ME ASK YOU AGAIN, PLEASE PUT YOURSELF IN THE SHOES OF A POLICE OFFICER. REALIZING WHAT THAT OFFICER IS SO SCRUTINIZE, EVERY MOVEMENT IS TAPED BY THE PUBLIC. WHEREVER HE GOES, WOULD YOU

EVER WANT TO GO ON A CALL AND NOT ACTIVATE YOUR CAMERA. >> THAT IS FINDING GOOD.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> BUSING INCENTIVE. HE IS BEING SCRUTINIZED.

THE BAG IS YOUR LEGAL PRACTICE AND SAID WHAT IS MR. SESSIONS DOING TODAY.

IS HE DOING A GOOD JOB WITH HIS LAW WORK. YOU DON'T OPERATE WITHIN THE PUBLIC. HOWEVER THAT POLICE OFFICER DOES AND HE IS SCRUTINIZED.

I WOULD WANT ALL THE PROTECTION I COULD GET. I WOULD WANT THAT BODY CAMERA ON. AS WE WENT TO THE POLICE ACADEMY, WE HAD AN INCIDENT.

WE WATCHED AN INCIDENT. ONE POLICE OFFICER SHOWED UP AT A SHOOTING WITH HIS BODY CAMERA ON. WE DISSECTED THE TAPE AND LOOKED AT IT AND CANNOT TELL DEFINITIVELY WHAT HAPPENED. OWEVER WHEN THE SECOND OFFICER CAME WITH HIS BODY CAMERA, HE CLEARLY SHOWED THAT THE PERP HAD A WEAPON ON IT. SO THIS POLICE REALLY NEED ALL

THE INFORMATION THEY CAN GET IN THERE SO HAPPY TO HAVE IT. >> WHY IS IT A PROBLEM.

YOU'RE PREACHING TO THE CHOIR. >> WHY WOULD A POLICE OFFICER NOT WANT TO PUT HIS CAMERA ON.

>> YOU AND I CAN'T ANSWER AS TO WHY AN OFFICER WOULDN'T DO. YOU JUST SAID A MINUTE AGO, 95 PERCENT OF MOST OF THE OFFICERS ARE GOOD. BUT THERE'S A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF THOSE THAT HAVE AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE, PERHAPS TO SOME DEGREE YOU AND I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER UNLESS WE PUT A POLICY IN PLACE THAT COVERS 100 PERCENT OF ALL OF THEM.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON CAN INTERRUPT. >> YES MA'AM.

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>> THE GUARANTEES I HAVE. HE IS SITTING TO MY RIGHT. THAT IS OUR CITY MANAGER AND HE'S AN EMPLOYEE OF THIS COMMISSION. THIS COMMISSION CANNOT GET INVOLVED IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IN THE TINY MINUTE DETAILS OF WHAT WERE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE CANNOT. NOT SUPPOSED TO IN THEIR STATUTES AND FLORIDA LAW THAT COVER THAT. AND COMMISSIONER, UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. IT CAN'T BE FROM THIS TEST. OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO THE MANAGER AND CITY CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY WHICH THEN GOES INTO THE DEPUTY CHIEFS, LIEUTENANTS AND MAJORS AND SERGEANTS AND THAT IS I WOULD GET THE JOB DONE AND THE WORK IS DONE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THAT IS, THE EVERYDAY PRACTICE AND RETAINING EVERYDAY TO MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WE LEAN ON THIS GENTLEMAN, I CAN DATE THE CEO FOR A LONG TIME COMING THE CITY FORT PIERCE IN THE WAY. WHEN I TALK ABOUT BUDGET.

IF ONE TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER DAY BUT IS NOT ON THIS AGENDA AND YET GOES HAND-IN-HAND BUT IF WE WANT TO TAKE BABY STEPS AND DISSECT THIS PART IN PEACE OF THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT 'S BUT THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN TASKED WITH REVIEWING THE POLICY TO MAKE CHANGES. AS TIME TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES AND MOVE ALONG AND WAS PUT ON ANOTHER AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT SOME OTHER DAY AND DISSECT ANOTHER PART OF THIS POLICY OR THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT AM SATISFIED WITH HER IT IS.

>> CAN I SAY SOMETHING. IF A POLICE OFFICER GETS FIRED FROM THE DEPARTMENT, GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE AND GET A JOB, AND IN MY POSITION, I READ AS MUCH INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT GOES ON IN THE NATION, OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS. THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP.

I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO HAVE A DATABASE WHERE THEY CAN SHOW EACH POLICE OFFICER AND WHAT HIS BACKGROUND HISTORY IS. HE CANNOT GO FROM DEPARTMENT TO DEPARTMENT OR STAY WITHIN A DEPARTMENT WITH SO MANY REPRIMANDS ARE BAD MARKS AGAINST HIS RECORD AND STILL REMAIN A POLICE OFFICER. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. WE AS ONE DEPARTMENT.

SO THAT OFFICER CAN LEAVE HERE AND GO SOMEWHERE AND LIE ON HIS APPLICATION.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT. BUT THERE WILL HOPEFULLY BE A DATABASE TO GET THE BAD

OFFICERS FROM GETTING ANOTHER JOB. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT BUT THE HIRING POLICY OF POLICE OFFICERS IS VERY HIGH. THEY EVEN HAVE A CERTAIN STANDARD WE CAN EVEN BE INVOLVED IN COME IN CONTACT WITH FELONS.

THEIR HISTORY SCRUTINIZE VERY HIGH. SO IS IN FACT SOMETHING IS PUT IN PLACE LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THAT IS FINE AND WILL INDEED BE IN GOOD. BUT THERE IS SOMETHING AS FAR. BY THE WAY GETTING BACK TO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I LOOKED TO MY LEFT THE CITY ATTORNEY, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON MADE HIS STATEMENT THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO FROM THIS AS IT RELATES TO THIS POLICY.

>> IS WRONG. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS AND TELL EMPLOYEES WHAT TO DO WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO.

THE CHIEF HAS A MAJOR POSITION OPEN, APPLY FOR IT AND YOU HAVE SOME DIRECT DIRECTION ON THE

OPERATIONS OF THE FORT PIERCE WAS DEPARTMENT. >> I'M NOT HERE FOR THAT.HAT I AM HERE FOR AND AGAIN I WILL ASK MY CITY ATTORNEY AGAIN, IF IT IS OKAY WITH YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE LEGAL AUTHORITY. AS IT RELATES, SIR, TO A POLICY OF IMPLEMENTING FROM THIS DAIS, DOES THIS BOARD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO IN THE FORMER PROVISION AND WAY OF AN ORDINANCE OF HOLDING AN OFFICER ACCOUNTABLE FOR FAILURE TO USE

A BODY CAMERA. >> THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO BUT I WOULD LIKE

ANSWER. IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> MR. SWANEY.

>> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, SUGGESTING THAT A PROPOSED ORDINANCE COULD BE CREATED HAS NOT BEEN LOOKED AT FROM IN-DEPTH LEGAL RESEARCH YET. AND WHEN I ATTENDED THE FIRST OF THE TWO MEETINGS WITH THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I SPENT ABOUT 15 MINUTES ADVISING

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THEM I WOULD NOT BE THERE TO GIVE THEM LEGAL ADVICE AT THAT TIME BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO PROHIBIT, INHIBIT OR ANYWAY INFLUENCE WHERE THE DISCUSSION WILL GO.

I REMOVED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE FOR MANY POLICY DECISION-MAKING DISCUSSION.

AND AS WE SIT HERE NOW, I COULD RESEARCH THESE ITEMS. I CANNOT GIVE YOU THE ANSWER TO THAT IMMEDIATELY BUT UNTIL I HAVE A CONSENSUS OF WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD BE A DIRECTION, IT WOULD BE IN MY OPINION PROBLEMATIC TO GIVE AN ADVISORY OPINION ON THAT.

THAT SAID, ORDINANCES ARE CREATED EVERY DAY IN THIS COMMISSION IS AWARE OF THAT.

HEY ARE UPHELD AND STRUCK DOWN AND THEY WILL BE REVIEWED AND CROSS-REFERENCED AGAINST SEVERAL OF THE THINGS ALREADY DESCRIBED. STATE LAW, THE POLICE OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS WHICH IS ALSO PART OF STATE LAW. THE UNION CONTRACTS, PERSONNEL RULES AND REGS. COMMISSIONER, THE SHORT ANSWER IS, AFTER THIS THE WILL TO DO IT, I'LL GET THE BEST LEGAL ADVICE I CAN BUT HAVE NOT DONE THAT YET AND I DON'T HAVE A LEGAL ANSWER THAT I FEEL IS DEFENSIBLE.> SO I DON'T NEED TO APPLY FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE POSITION IN ORDER TO RUN A POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT IS NOT MY DUTY.

I DID NOT GET ELECTED TO BE CHIEF OF POLICE BUT WHAT I DID DO IS I WAS ELECTED TO GUARANTEE THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF EACH AND EVERY CITIZEN WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT THEY ARE PROTECTED FROM THE POLICE, FOR ME, YOU AND ANY OTHER IMPOSTER THAT PERHAPS COULD BE PERCEIVED AS INFRINGING UPON THE RIGHTS TO DO SO.

AND FROM THIS DAIS I CAN CREATE A POLICY IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE IF I FEEL ALONG WITH TWO MORE INDIVIDUALS IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT A POLICY TO PROTECT INDIVIDUALS.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ORDINANCES SET OUT BY THE STARTER THAT WAS MADE FROM THIS DAIS IN TERMS OF PROVISIONS GUARANTEEING THE SAFETY OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND IF THAT IS IN FACT SOMETHING THAT WE FIND, AT LEAST ME FOR ONE, TWO MORE THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPLEMENTED, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OPERATIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CHIEF. AND YOU CAN REST ASSURED, I DON'T EVEN COME ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. ONE THING YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS COMMISSIONER SESSIONS HAVING ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS YOU CAN SEE. THIS IS ONE, YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT ONE SIR.

BUT WHAT I DO TAKE SERIES IS MY JOB TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED AGAINST ANY INDIVIDUAL POLICE, SHERIFF OR ANYONE ELSE WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR SAFETY AND WELL-BEING.

IN THE LAST TIME I CHECKED WE CAN CREATE ORDINANCES TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. KNOW THEIR UNIONS INVOLVED. I NOTE THAT POLICIES IN PLACE AND OFFICERS BILL OF RIGHTS.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE WE COULD EVEN DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND WOULD NOT HAVE

THE AUTHORITY TO DO IT, I DIDN'T SAY THAT. >> I WILL NOT REPEAT WHAT I SAID BECAUSE I DID NOT SAY THAT. I'M JUST READY TO CALL THE QUESTION. WHILE THE POLICY HERE WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE NEED TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE. THAT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL FIVE OF US TALK ABOUT IT OR GIVE AN ANSWER. YES OR NO, READING IT ORDINANCE

ARE WE ACCEPTING THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED. >> THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING. WE NEED TO WIND THIS UP. I AM SATISFIED WITH THE POLICY AS IT IS. I BELIEVE WE HAVE PLENTY OF SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.

COMMISSIONER. >> I SAID WHAT I SAID IN THE BEGINNING AND I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE. YOU DID WHAT YOUR CHARGE WAS. PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE.

I FEEL A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE POLICY GOING ON. I DON'T KNOW FOR NEW ORDINANCE WOULD PREVENT ANYTHING ELSE FROM HAPPENING. THERE ARE TIMES WHERE IT APPEARS THAT IT IS BROKEN BUT I DON'T THINK AS A GENERAL RULE THAT WE ARE BROKEN ON OUR POLICY. I THINK IT IS THERE AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO COMMUNICATE THAT POLICY TO THE PUBLIC AND TO OURSELVES UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AND

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WE NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY WATCHING THE SITUATION AND MAKE SURE IT IS STILL UPDATED AND CURRENT AND IF NOT, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO IT AND IF SOMEDAY AND ORDINANCE COMES ALONG OR WE CREATED AN ORDINANCE BECAUSE OF A FAULT OR FAILURE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO DO SO. I AM NOT WANT TO DO IT IN ADVANCE WHEN I DON'T THINK THE

SYSTEM IS BROKEN. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> IT MAY TAKE A MINUTE TO MEET HIMSELF. >>.

WE WILL HAVE TO. >> WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD SIGNAL YOU'RE BREAKING UP.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, LESS WIND THIS UP. >> YES MA'AM.

YOU'RE RIGHT IT IS TIME TO WIND IT UP BECAUSE NUMBER ONE THIS IS A CONFERENCE AGENDA AND THERE IS NOTHING LEGALLY WE CAN DO FROM A PERSPECTIVE IN MAKING A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE DO IMPLEMENT SOME FORM OF AN ORDINANCE LEGALLY. AM I CORRECT?

>> YOU COULD NOT TAKE ANY ACTION BUT I GET A CONSENSUS LIKE MR. MIMMS DOES WHENEVER

THEY PRESENT ITEMS. >> AND WE GET BACK TO THE POINT OF HAND.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE A PROBLEM WAS. ITEMS OF MAJOR CONCERN TO THE PUBLIC BEING PLACED ON A CONFERENCE AGENDA AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER ON ON THIS LIST HERE. ABOUT A MONTH AGO, IT WAS STANDING ROOM ONLY IN HERE WITH PEOPLE ALL OUTSIDE WANTING TO ADDRESS THIS POLICY OF GETTING BODY CAMERAS AND HAVING SOMETHING IN PLACE TO GUARANTEE THAT IT DOES NOT CONTINUE IN THAT STATUS QUO WITHOUT PUTTING SOMETHING IN PLACE. SO THE PUBLIC HAS A CONCERN. BUT TODAY WE HAD THIS AND BROUGHT IT HERE AT A CONFERENCE AGENDA WHERE IT'S ONLY STAFF AND A FEW OTHERS AROUND HERE WHERE THE PUBLIC DOES NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS IT. WHAT I WILL DO IS PLACE IT IN THAT WILL BECOME A PROPOSED ORDINANCE. AND I WILL PUT IT ON THE RECORD. IT MAY NOT BE ASTRINGENT AS MISDEMEANOR VIOLATION BUT THERE WILL BE SOMETHING PUT IN PLACE I WILL PROPOSED AND I DO HAVE THE RIGHT AND AUTHORITY TO DO SO OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS IS TODAY. THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE THAT WILL DIE AND GO AWAY. REST ASSURED OF THAT. I WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE DO NOT SET OURSELVES UP BY WAY OF POTENTIALLY HAVING ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR LATER BECAUSE OF HER LACK OF EXPERIENCE WITH OUR OFFICERS AS WELL AS TO GUARANTEE THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I AM NOT GOING TO DROP THIS ISSUE. SO WE CAN SIT HERE AND PONDER AND GO BACK AND FORTH IN THE SLOW CONFERENCE AGENDA, WHAT THEY CALL A KANGAROO MEETING BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN LIKE YOU SAID TAKE A CONSENSUS AND MOVE ON IN THERE BUT I WILL GET SOMETHING LATER ON AND YOU WILL BE SEEING IT. AND I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID. I'M GRATEFUL FOR WHAT YOU DID.

I HAVE MUCH MORE RESPECT FOR YOU THAN I DID BEFORE I CAME IN HERE BECAUSE I LIKE THE WAY YOU DIALOGUE AND YOU HAVE A GENUINE CONCERN ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING. AND I LIKE THAT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ME. WHAT I'M DOING IS BRINGING IT TO THE FRONT TO BE ADDRESSED AND YOU DID A GOOD JOB IN YOUR HANDS ARE TIED AND IT'S ONLY SUMMIT YOU CAN DO.

AND YOU'RE DOING GOOD. I WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT MUCH RESPECT ABSOLUTELY FRUIT YOU'VE

DONE TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> I'M NOT FINISHED YET.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW I'M BACK ONLINE.

>> I WILL BE BRINGING IT BEFORE THE CITY IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE REAL SOON SO WE CAN ADDRESS IT BECAUSE IT WILL NOT STOP HERE. NOT AS LONG AS I PEOPLE KNOCKING ON MY DOOR AND RINGING MY PHONE OFF THE HOOK AND COMPLAINING ABOUT IT IN MY DISTRICT ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.S LONG AS I'M IN OFFICE I WILL DO ALL I CAN.

AFTER NOVEMBER, IF IT'S GOD'S WILL WILL BE HERE TO CARRIED ON BUT IF NOT I WILL CONTINUE TO

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RIDE THIS. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> YES.

COMMITTEE IS HERE TODAY TO BE SCRUTINIZED. I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS ã MAC.

AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. MR. HIATT THANK YOU FOR US YOUR

PATIENCE AND GOOD REPORT AND WE THINK. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> I WILL SAY THIS. I DID NOT HEAR A CONSENSUS FOR CREATING AN ORDINANCE AND WILL COMMISSIONER CANNOT DIRECT STAFF TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE TO CREATE A SENSE CONSENSUS.

>> I JUST GAVE YOU MY CONSENSUS. >> I DID NOT HEAR.

THERE SHOULD NOT BE AN ORDINANCE BROUGHT FORWARD. >> FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY.

>> DOE MIKE YOU HEARD AN INDIVIDUAL ON THIS BOARD SO THAT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AS A REPRESENTATIVE, I AM FORBIDDEN FROM BRINGING ORDINANCE BEFORE THIS COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO CONSENSUS FROM THIS CONFERENCE AGENDA I JUST WANT TO GET VERIFICATION FROM YOU ABOUT THAT.

>> MEHTA MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE PATTERN AND PRACTICE OF THIS COMMISSION FOR DECADES HAS BEEN ONLY HAVE ORDINANCES BROUGHT FORWARD IF THERE IS IN FACT A CONSENSUS. THERE MAY EVEN BE SOME LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER THAT REQUIRES THAT THERE ARE LEVELS OF CONSENSUS REQUIRED FOR BRINGING OTHER FINANCIAL LEGISLATION.

PERHAPS A ROLL CALL OF CALLING THE QUESTION IS MOST APPROPRIATE.

OTHERWISE, YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM HERE COMING UP AT NUMBER E.

IF THAT PRESIDENT IS SOUGHT TO BE CHANGED, THEN LET'S DISCUSS IT AT E BUT GIVEN THAT THIS WAS TAKEN IN THE ORDER THAT THIS IS TAKEN, HAVE TO FALL BACK ON PRECEDENT OTHERWISE.

>> WE CANNOT TAKE ABOUT NOW. >> UNDERSTOOD IT WOULD NOT BE A VOTE.

BUT I'VE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER WHAT HE FEELS AND COMMISSIONER SESSIONS I FEEL VERY CLEAR ABOUT YOUR POSITION AND I THINK I'VE HEARD COMMISSIONER WHAT YOU SAID AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. SO MAYOR I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR

POSITION IS ON IT. >> THERE IS NO CONSENSUS. >> YOU HAVE THE THREE ãTWO DITHIRD AROUND. I'M GETTING VERY CONCERNED ABOUT NO CONCERN OF THE PUBLIC.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WE DON'T NEED INCIDENTS TO HAVE SLAP US IN THE FACE. MAKE SOME SIMPLE REQUESTS AND HAVE OUR ATTORNEY LOOK AT IT. AS PART OF HIM SERVING THE COMMISSION.

NOT INDIVIDUAL, NOT THE PUBLIC. HE SERVES THE COMMISSIONERS AND MAYBE I GOT THAT MISUNDERSTOOD.

> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. >> I WILL GO BACK TO ITEM 4A,

[a. Proposed FY 2020-2021 General Fund Budget, FPRA Budget and Enterprise Fund Budgets]

THE PROPOSED FY 2020 ã2021 GENERAL FUND BUDGET, FPR A BUDGET IN ENTERPRISE FUND

BUDGETS. >> MR. MIMS DO YOU WANT DELETED.

>> IT WILL BE BRIEF. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021 HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST CONCERNING AND UNFORTUNATELY ONE OF THE MOST MYSTERIOUS DURING MY TENURE AS CITY MANAGER.

THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC HAS CAUSED GREAT DIFFICULTY IN THE FINANCIAL MODELING THAT WOULD TYPICALLY UTILIZE TO CREATE A FUNCTIONAL RESPONSIBLE OPERATING BUDGET.

CURRENTLY THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS IN THE MIDST OF A SURGE OF COVID-19 INFECTIONS AND

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HOSPITALIZATIONS. THAT IS HAVING DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON ECONOMIC CLIMATE.

IN RESPONSE TO THIS LIFE-CHANGING SITUATION, THIS MORNING OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WILL BE EXECUTING IN ORDER THAT MANDATES FACIAL COVERINGS IN ALL PLACES AND SPACES OR SOCIAL DISTANCING CANNOT BE ACHIEVED. AND HER NATION IS SUFFERING AT THIS TIME. AND WE ALL ARE CAUTIOUSLY NAVIGATING THROUGH UNCERTAINTY AS WE ATTEMPT TO RIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH THE SERVICES. AT THIS TIME WE PREVENT THE FY 20 ã21 PROPOSED BUDGET AND THE AMOUNT OF $43,323,874. IT IS BALANCED AND METICULOUSLY PREPARED BY THE AMAZING DIRECTOR OF FINANCE JOHN MORRIS WHO STATED COUNTLESS NIGHTS AND CALLED ME AND HARASS ME COMPLAINED BUT SHE GOT IT DONE. THE BUDGET WILL PROVIDE ALL ESSENTIAL MUNICIPAL SERVICES SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE DURING THIS CRISIS.

THIS BUDGET IS PRESENTED IN UTILIZING THE MILLAGE RATE OF 6.900 AND INCLUDES REVENUE GENERATED FROM A ROUGHLY 6.1 PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR PROPERTY VALUATION.

EVERY DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAS PARTICIPATED IN THIS PROCESS AND THEY ARE KEENLY AWARE THAT OUR FINANCIAL FUTURE IS UNKNOWN. HOWEVER OUR COMMAND STAFF IS EXPERIENCED AND PROFESSIONAL AND WE HAVE DEALT WITH EMERGENCIES AND CIRCUMSTANCES IN THE PAST. AT THIS TIME, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR WHO WILL LEAD US THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND PRESENTING THE BALANCE.

>> GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.AND WE HAVE THE FISCAL YEAR PROPOSED 2021 BUDGET. IT WAS A TEDIOUS TASK AND I'M SURE EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF OUR CURRENT ECONOMIC SITUATION AND I WILL SAY THIS IS THE ONE OF THE HARDEST BUDGETS TO DRAFT BECAUSE WE ARE USING A MOVING TARGET. USUALLY WE HAVE STAPLE ECONOMIC TRENDS WE GO TO AND LOOK TO HELP US DRAFT OUR BUDGET. BUT WHEN ALL OF THE ECONOMIC PROFESSIONALS CANNOT COME UP WITH ANYTHING CONCRETE, IT IS HARD TO RELY ON ANYTHING.

SO WE HAVE BALANCED THIS BUDGET WITH A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY AND HOPING AND PRAYING IT COMES TO FRUITION THE WAY WE HAD PLANNED IT. HOWEVER WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT WE WILL BE MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AS THE YEAR PROGRESSES IF THE NEED BE SO. ALL OF THAT CONSIDERED, WE HAVE TAKEN EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION AND ARE PRESENTING A BUDGET OF $43,323,874 AND IT'S AN $893,902 INCREASE FROM THIS FISCAL YEAR OR 2.1 PERCENT INCREASE.

THE BUDGET HIGHLIGHTS. THE FIRST IS WE DO HAVE AS MR. MIMMS SAID A 6.1 PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR ESTIMATED TAXABLE VALUES FROM OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER AND BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING THIS 6.1 PERCENT INCREASE, WE ARE PROPOSING A CHANGE TO THE MILLAGE RATE.

WE HAVE GONE IN AND MADE ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR REVENUE AND OPERATING EXPENDITURES BUT THIS INCREASE WILL ALLOW AS WE GET FURTHER ON INTO THE BUDGET PRESENTATION, ALLOW FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL WANTED JUST TO ADDRESS IN THE MAIN THING WAS SIMPLY SALARIES.

I ADDED THIS SLIDE LAST YEAR BECAUSE I THINK IT IS VERY INFORMATIONAL FOR OURCITIZENS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE CITY SAW 6.1 PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR TAXABLE VALUES, THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION WAS AMENDED IN JANUARY 1995 THAT LIMITED THE INCREASE, ANNUAL INCREASE FOR ALL HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES. IF OUR TAX BASE HAVES HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES, IT CANNOT HAVE A PROPERTY VALUE FOR THAT YEAR. IT IS MAKES IT THREE PERCENT OR THE CPI, WHICHEVER IS LOWER.

THE CPI IS 2.4 PERCENT. EVEN THOUGH WE SAW 6.1 PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR VALUES, AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE THINK THAT IT IS A 6.1 PERCENT OF THEIR VALUE.

THAT IS NOT THE CASE. AS LONG AS IT IS A HOMESTEADED PROPERTY, THEY WILL ONLY SEES PERCENT INCREASE IN THE PROPERTY. WE ALWAYS LIKE TO SHOW HOW WILL BE SEEN ON THE PROPERTY BILL OF CITY FORT PIERCE MILLAGE RATE. WENT FROM $100 PROPERTY VALUE

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UP TO 100,000. OUR MEDIUM IS ABOUT 75. AT 100,000, AT THE 2.4 PERCENT INCREASE ON THE TAXABLE VALUE IT IS A DIFFERENCE OF $16.56 IN THE TAX BILL.

>> REPEAT THAT AGAIN. >> IT IS $16.56. >> OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. $16. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

WHEN THEY HEAR $16 AGAIN THEY WILL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE

TALKINGABOUT. THANK YOU. >> NO PROBLEM.

ALSO I WANTED TO INCLUDE OUR ASSESSED VALUES FROM 2012 UP UNTIL THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT WE ARE BUDGETING. I KNOW WE SAY 2012 WHICH IS THE RESULT OF WHERE WE ACTUALLY SAW THE DECREASED OR STARTED SEEING THE DECREASES IN OUR ASSESSED VALUES.

WE HAD THE DECLINE THE RECESSION OF 2008, BUT AS I EXPLAINED IN MY BUDGET TRANSFER LETTER, THE TAXABLE $17,860,908. AN INCREASE OF $1 MILLION. AND WE HAVE USE THAT TO BALANCE ITS BUDGET. WE ARE DECREASING ALL OF OUR STATE DISTRIBUTIVE REVENUE.

THAT IS OUR STATE SHARED REVENUE, OR HAVE CENTS SALES TAX AND WE HAVE GONE IN AN INCREASE AT SOME AND I EXPLAINED AGAIN IN THE METHODOLOGY THAT I'VE USED IN PREVIOUS YEARS AND I SAID WITH THAT AND THEN DECREASED ON THE LAST YEARS ACTIONS OF THE

NUMBER THAT WE START OFF WITH. >> THE REASON FOR THAT IS COVID RIGHT.

>> CORRECT. THE STATE HAS INFORMED US THAT WE WILL HAVE DECREASES IN REVENUE, HOWEVER THEY DON'T HOW MUCH. WE DID DISCUSS THIS BUT WE WERE INFORMED THAT STARTING WITH OUR THAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM MAY, JUNE, JULY AUGUST ALL THAT IS 50 PERCENT. THEY TOLD US IT IS AUTOMATICALLY 50 PERCENT FROM WHAT WE WILL ACTUALLY RECEIVE WANT TO GO IN AND MAKE A CALCULATION AND WE SHOULD BE IN MAY BE ABOUT $1.3 MILLION SHORT. SOON HIS COVID WE WERE HIT.

SO WE DO HAVE $1 MILLION TO HELP ADDRESS ISSUE. >> IS IN EFFECT ALSO, ALL OF THIS IS AFFECTED COVID'S REASON FOR MAKING THESE ADJUSTMENTS. THE REVENUE FROM HER REVENUE FACILITY CHARGES WE WENT IN BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THE SOCIAL DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL AND NOT KNOWING WHERE WE ARE GOING TO END UP AS A RESULT OF THIS WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY AND WE DID DECREASE THAT. WE ARE ALSO STILL RESTRICTING $600,000 IN OUR FISCAL YEAR 2021 FOR THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES AND THAT IS THE 400 THAT WILL GO TO CAPITAL PROJECTS IN THE 200 FOR THE INTERFUND LOAN REQUIRED DOMINANT REQUIREMENT THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED AND WE CONTINUE TO RESTRICT THAT FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

THAT IS THE MAIN THINGS OR ADJUSTMENTS WE'VE MADE IN OUR REVENUE.

FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. AS WE LOOK AT THE EXPENDITURES, THERE IS NO COST-OF-LIVING INCREASE FOR BARGAINING OR NONBARGAINING EMPLOYEES. WE FIGURE AND MR. MIMMS AND I

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HAVE DISCUSSED AND CONVEYED THAT WE WILL ADDRESS OUR BUDGET AT THE END OF THE SECOND QUARTER OR HAVE YOUR MARTS. IN APRIL WE WILL LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THE THINGS FOR OUT BETTER, THAN WHAT WE PROJECTED AND IT ALLOWS, WE CAN ADDRESS BARGAINING AND

NONBARGAINING EMPLOYEES. >> ARE POLICE, WE WERE TASKED WITH TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THIS BUDGET IT INCLUDED THE COST OF LIVING INCREASES TO MOVE OUR POLICE INTO THEIR STEP PLANS. AND WE HAVE DONE THAT. AS I STATED EARLIER, MOST OF THE INCREASE WE ARE GOING TO ABSORB FROM THE INCREASE IN OUR BUDGET AS THE TAX INCREASE, WE WILL USE THAT TO FIND THE POLICE BEING MOVED INTO THEIR STEP PROGRAMS AND THE COST OF THAT INCLUDED BENEFITS IS FOUR AND $51,288. AND CURRENTLY THE POLICE BUDGET IS ABOUT 35 PERCENT OF THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET. WE ALSO HAVE NINE POSITIONS UNFUNDED IN THIS BUDGET. WE WENT IN AS WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT COST-SAVING MEASURES AND THERE WERE NINE ADMINISTRATIVE POSITIONS THAT WERE NOT FILLED AT THE TIME.

SO MR. MIMMS DECIDED WE WOULD FIND THOSE POSITIONS AND WE STILL HAVE AND WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE HIRING FREEZES WELL. EXCEPT FOR OUR SWORN OFFICERS

AND SOME OF THE PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEES. >> I'M SORRY.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> THE TELLING OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND POLICE DEPARTMENT. COULD YOU ELABORATE MORE AND EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT APPLIES

TO NUMBER NINE AND IF IN FACT IT DOES. >> THE HIRING FREEZE IN PLACE FOR SWORN OFFICERS. IT RIGHT NOW WE ARE NOT AT FULL CAPACITY FOR SWORN OFFICERS.

INSTEAD OF FREEZING THOSE POSITIONS AND NOT ALLOWING FOR THOSE OFFICERS TO FIELD THOSE POSITIONS, WERE SEEN AS OFFICERS, THOSE POSITIONS CAN BE FILLED.

>> WHAT TYPE OF OFFICERS ARE YOU REFERRING TO? ROAD PATROL, ADMINISTRATIVE,

WHAT EXACTLY?>> THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION. IT'S A SWORN OFFICER.

LEASE OFFICER, SERGEANT, LIEUTENANT, WHOEVER THE SWORN OFFICER IS.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT CAN BE FILLED.F IT'S AN EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT THAT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW IS UNFILLED, OR IT IS FROZEN. THERE IS NO INCREASED ANY POSITIONS OTHER THAN SWORN OFFICERS AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION SOLID WASTE DIVISION,

THINGS LIKE THAT. >> WANTED DECLAN PLACE? >> MARCH.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> AGAIN, ALL DEPARTMENTS OPERATING BUDGETS WERE REDUCED TO LEVELS THAT WILL HELP MITIGATE THE IMPACT THE REVENUE LOSS. ALL DEPARTMENTS WHEN IN. WE DID NOT DO A ZERO-BASED BUDGET HOWEVER WAS ALMOST TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS ZERO-BASED AND WE WENT AND LOOKED AT THE LAST TWO ACTUAL YEARS OF FISCAL YEAR EXPENDITURE AND IF THE EXPENDITURE LINE ITEM WAS OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WAS BEING USED, WE REDUCE THAT TO WHAT WAS BEING UTILIZED AND USE THOSE FUNDS IN OTHER CAPACITIES. BUT EVERYONE TOOK THE BRUNT.

WE REALIZE IT'S AN ORGANIZATION THAT WERE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS TOGETHER AND WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AND WE ARE PREPARED TO GIVE UP THAT EXPENDITURE COST.

TO GET IT DONE. OUR RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTION RATE, FOR THE GENERAL IT INCREASE 0.5 PERCENT AND IT IS FROM 16 AND IT IS FROM 16.77 PERCENT TO 16.82 AND IT'S AN ESTIMATED ABOUT $137,000. THE INCREASE FOR THE POLICE WAS 1.32 PERCENT FROM 11.99 TO

13.31 PERCENT OR $141,215 INCREASE. >> THAT IS A FUNCTION OF THE

INCREASE IN THE WAGE IS CORRECT. >> CORRECT.

OUR HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE, PRM IS OUR PROVIDER AND CONTINUES TO BE AN EXCELLENT RESOURCE FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE ARE ONLY SINGLE .5 PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUM THIS YEAR AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYBODY ELSE AND WHERE THEY ARE IN THE INCREASE THAT THEY ARE SEEN IT'S PHENOMENAL.

OTHERS ARE EXPERIENCING THE 25 TO 30 PERCENT INCREASE AND WE STILL SEE THE.5.

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LAST YEAR WAS.7. IT CONTINUES TO BE GREAT BENEFIT TO US AT THAT .5

PERCENT. >>, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE ATTRIBUTE THAT TO?

IS IT THE CARENET FACILITY. >> THAT IS A GREAT PART OF IT THAT WE DO HAVE THE CONTRACT PWITH CARE NOW AND IT HELPS WIT ARMIDA CAUSED OR WHEN THEY LOOK AT ARMAND OR EXPERIENCE AND THEY SAY WE ARE NOT DOING A LOT OF DOCTOR VISITS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT WE ARE OFFSETTING BY PAYING FOR THAT OUTSIDE OF ART INSURANCE BECAUSE IT HELPS.

AND THEN WERE IN A CONSORTIUM AND THEY TAKE THE GROUP AND BASED ON THE AVERAGE IN OUR EXPERIENCE WHEREVER WE LINE, IT IS KEPT HOW MUCH THE GROUP IS GOING TO PAY THIS YEAR THE CAP WAS 13 PERCENT WAS THE HIGHEST THAT ANYBODY WOULD PAY IN THE CONSORTIUM BUT WE FAILED

BECAUSE OF ALL THE MEASURES WE HAVE IN PLACE TO HELP. >> AND WELLNESS PROGRAMS.

>> CORRECT. WHEN IT COMES TO OUR DENTAL INSURANCE, WE SEEN IT EIGHT PERCENT INCREASE IN NET A RESULT OF AN RFP WE DID. THIS IS THE RATED SIX PERCENT INCREASE WE ARE TOLD WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SIX PERCENT NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS WELL AND LOOKING AT THE EXPERIENCE IN INCREASE, I FELT WE NEEDED TO DO AN RFP TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING THE BEST COST FOR A PDOLLAR. AS RESULT, WE WILL BE CHANGING CARRIERS OCTOBER 1 TO FLORIDA COMBINED LIFE, FCL. THEY ARE A SUBSIDIARY OF BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD WHO IS OUR HEALTHCARE CARRIER. WE WILL BE CHANGING THEM.N ADDITION TO THE EIGHT PERCENT DECREASE, THEY ARE GIVING US $50,000 AND WELLNESS FUNDS, 30,000 FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR AND THEN 20,000 IN THE PRECEDING FISCAL YEAR.

IT IS A PLUS. ASIDE FROM THEY ARE ALSO ADDING BENEFITS TO THE EMPLOYEES AS WELL. THEY'RE GETTING MUCH MORE FOR LESS COST.

>> GOOD JOB. >> ARE CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE ARE BUDGETING THE ARE CAPITAL PROJECTS, WE ARE BUDGETING THE $2.1 MILLION AND I HAVE SHOWN WHAT THEY ARE.E HAVE THE 1.5 FROM OUR INTERFACE FOR SALES TAX PROJECTS. ASIDE FROM THE 1.5 THERE'S A 525,000 WE BUDGET ANNUALLY IN THE 400 FROM THE CAPITAL RESERVE AND THEN THE 125 THAT WE WERE BUDGETING EVERY YEAR. OF THAT $250,000 IS BEING SET ASIDE OR ALLOCATED FOR IT.

IN LIGHT OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, AND THE POSSIBILITY OF MOVING TO ALMOST EVERYTHING REMOTE WISE, WE HAVE GATHERED THERE ARE SOME IMPROVEMENTS WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME BISON PRODUCT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE ARE ALLOCATED TO A $50,000 TO IT TO HELP BRING US UP TO THE STANDARD TO WHERE IF IT MEANS WORKING AT HOME WE CAN WORK AT HOME AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE $100,000 IS THE AMOUNT WE PAY FOR THE POLICE LEASED VEHICLES THAT WE HAD ALREADY GOTTEN BEFORE IT WENT INTO THE REVOLVING LOAN WITH THE ENTERPRISE WE HAD ABOUT 20 OR 25 VEHICLES THAT WE HAD AND WE ANNUALLY TAKE THAT OUT OF THEIR. THE ADDITIONAL $100,000 THAT IS PERFECT PLEASE CAPITAL OF THE CSI FUNDS THAT YOU ALL APPROVED TO BE TRANSFERRED OVER FROM POLICE TICKET SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. THE 85,000, THAT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. IT IS SUPPOSED TO SAY OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS HAD NOT BEEN ALLOCATED AS OF YET BUT WE HAVE THE OTHER $85,000 FOR OTHER CAPITAL PROJECTS. THE $90,000 IS ANNUAL PAYMENT WE PAY FOR THE POLICE BY THE BODY CAMS. THERE IS NO TRANSFER TO F PRA FOR THE THIRD CONSECUTIVE YEAR AND LASTLY THE DEBT SERVICE COST IS INCREASED BY 321,006 92 AND THAT AS A RESULT THE MORE THE PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS BEING DUE TO SUPPOSED TO THE INTEREST ONLY.

AND AS WE ADDRESS DEAD. I INCLUDED THIS TABLE INTO OUR WORKSHOP AND THEN I GOT QUESTIONS WHILE WE WERE IN OUR MEETINGS. OUR TOTAL ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE REQUIREMENTS, I WENT THROUGH AND OUT LINED EVERY FUND THAT HAS CURRENT DEBT.

WHAT THE ORIGINAL ISSUE AMOUNT, WINDED -- WHEN IT MATURES AND THEN THE OUTSTANDING BALANCE.

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YOU WILL SEE FOR THE GENERAL FUND, WE HAVE $11.7 MILLION IN DEBT AND 1.9 OF THAT IS THE GOLF COURSE BUT GENERAL SECURED THAT. IT'S ABOUT 11.7.

CDBG, THE REMAINING PORTION IS $848,000. FPRA, TOTAL OUTSTANDING IS 39 MILLION. OUR MARINA HAS 7.4 MILLION. STORMWATER THEY.4.

THE SOLID WASTE IS 98. HOWEVER THERE WILL BE IN ADDITION TO THAT BECAUSE WE JUST DID THE TRUCKS THAT WE HAVEN'T GOT THE BILL FOR YET BUT IT IS THERE AND THE BUILDING IS $11,000. TOTAL OUTSTANDING IS $67.8 MILLION AND THAT IS ALL FUNDS.

>> AND THAT IS ALL FUNDS BECAUSE 67 IS A CAP FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

THE GENERAL FUND IS WHAT. >> 7.7. >> GOOD JOB.

>> AND THEN I SHOW HERE THE DEBT LIMITS. YOU JUST ASKED ALL FUNDS.

THE DEBT LIMIT IS 67 MILLION AND THE TOTAL THAT IS APPLICABLE TO THE LIMIT IS $28.6 MILLION. TOWARD DEBT MARGIN, WE HAVE 38 MILLION FROM THEIR AND OUR PERCENTAGE OF OUR DEBT LIMIT IS 42.7 WHICH IS PHENOMENAL BECAUSE I WENT BACK AND LOOKED

AT 2007. IT IS ABOUT 80 PERCENT. >> THAT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.

>> AND ARE REFINANCING HIS HELP OUR DEBT SERVICE. THE AMOUNT OF DEBT SERVICE DID CHANGE AND THAT WAS LARGE. WE HAVE DECREASED OUR INTEREST REQUIREMENTS PHENOMENALLY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT RIGHT NOW, FOR INSTANCE WE JUST REASON FINANCED.

2032 WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR MARINA IT WAS JUST TOOK ON ANOTHER 3 MILLION WILL BE DONE WITH ALL DEBT. THE NEXT FEW YEARS WE SEE A LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL

THAT WE MADE. >> WE'VE ALSO KIND OF RESTRAIN OURSELVES FROM TAKING ON ANY

DEBT THAT WE ABSOLUTELY DIDN'T HAVE TO HAVE. >> CORRECT.

>> AND THAT IS OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET BEFORE WE GO INTO FPRA. I WILL ENTERTAIN QUESTIONS.

>> THESE ARE UNUSUAL TIMES. EVERY FAMILY RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE WORST HAPPENS. I CANNOT HELP IT. I'M GETTING THE NEWS FROM THE PANDEMIC AND RIGHT AFTER THAT THE AMOUNT OF NAME STORES AND HIT THE US FOR HER CANS OF CAT THREE OR HIGHER. NO ONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT BUT ASSUME THE WORST CASE SCENARIO. ARE YOU FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN GET THROUGH THOSE TIMES JUST IN CASE. JUST GIVE A SECURITY KNOWLEDGE THAT WE WILL SURVIVE.

>> WELL WERE GOING TO PRAY AND HOPE WE SURVIVE. BUT IN PLANNING, WE ALWAYS IN OUR RESERVE, WE HAVE THE 10 PERCENT RESERVE THAT WE HAVE. ON TOP OF THAT I HAVE ABOUT 2.5 IN RESERVE THAT IF THIS BUDGET. SOME OF THE PROJECTS THEY WERE ALLOCATED TO WE CAN VERY EASILY GO IN AND ALLOCATE AND USE OTHER SOURCES. WE WOULD HAVE A POSSIBILITY OF ABOUT OF ABOUT 252.5 THAT WE COULD TRANSFER OVER IF WE HAD TO.

AND THAT WOULD HELP SUSTAIN US BARRING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO USE SOME OF THAT REMAINDER THAT FISCAL YEAR. IT IS A BIG IF GAME AND WE ARE PRAYING.

I'M PRAYING FOR NIGHT GOD PLEASE KEEP US COVERED IN SUSTAIN US BUT IN THE EVENT WE HAVE CAUTIOUSLY AND I WILL REMAIN TO BE CAUTIOUS AS LONG AS MR. MIMMS DOESN'T TWIST MY ARMS TO SPEND MONEY. BUT WE WILL ALWAYS TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT IN THE EVENT

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SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE DO HAVE SOME SAVINGS AND IF IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE WE ARE BLEEDING INTO OUR FUND BALANCE AND NOT HAVE SOME CUSHION, I WILL COME BEFORE YOU MUCH NOTE WHAT WE

ARE WHAT WE NEED TO DO FAST. >> THINKING BACK IN THE 2011 AND 2012 TIMES WHEN IT WAS TERRIBLE THE CITY RESPONDED AND STAFF RESPONDED AND THE COMMISSION RESPONDED WE BECAME VERY EFFICIENT AND WHAT WE DO ONLY START LOOKING AT WAYS TO CUT COSTS AND HOW TO IDENTIFY REVENUES AND HOW TO DO EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY. IT JUST SEEMS SO UNFAIR THAT THERE ARE THINGS OUT THERE THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT CAN RUIN ALL THAT AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE IT IS NOT FAIR. WE ARE ON A PATH OF PROBABLY THE BEST PATH THAT PAUL FORT PIERCE HAS BEEN ON EVER. RIGHT STAFF AND RIGHT LEADERSHIP IN EVERYTHING GOING ON AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS OUTSIDE INTERFERENCE COMING IN AND TRYING TO MESS UP OUR DAY. IT IS GOOD TO KNOW AND I APPRECIATE AND I PUT YOU ON THE PEDGE WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO BUT EVERYBODY'S THINKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW AND WE MIGHT NOT BE OF THE SAY. I STAYED AT HOME AND I GET SHUSHED BY MY WIFE. BUT WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR THAT AND GET OUR MINDS AROUND IT AND WE HAVE NO THAT IF IT REALLY GETS BAD IN THE WORLD IS NOT WHAT WE EXPECTED EVERY DAY BECAUSE OF SOME CATASTROPHE, WE WILL SURVIVE AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.

>> WE BOUNCE BACK AND WE WILL. ALWAYS SAY THIS TOO SHALL PASS THAT WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS WE ARE IN A RECESSION AND IT'S NOT FELT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL TRYING TO OPERATE. SOME PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS.

TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WE TRY TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF WHERE WE ARE IN OUR LAST RESORT ILL BE LAYOFFS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND THAT WILL BE THE LAST THING WE DO.

I WAS TOLD MY STAFF ABOUT TO GET DOWN TO WRITING WITH THE LEAD ON THE PENCIL TO MAKE SURE NOBODY LOSES HER JOB, THAT IS WHAT WERE GOING TO DO. WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER.

IT IS DURING THESE TIMES WE ARE GIVING OUT RAISES TO OUR OFFICERS.

BECAUSE THAT IS THE COMMITMENT YOU MADE TO THEM, THAT IS WHAT WERE GOING TO DO.

AND SO WE ARE TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD AND THAT IS WHERE

WE ARE. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> THIS CAME UPON ME ABOUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I SIT LISTEN TO A LOT OF THE CONSTITUENTS AND I GATHER MY THOUGHTS AND I FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS IT AND I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IN SPENDING OUR RESOURCES WITH THE CITY ESPECIALLY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE STREETS AND PAVING, THERE SEEMS TO BE A DIFFERENCE IN THE ACTUAL PRODUCT PROJECTS THEMSELVES IN DISTRICT 1 VERSUS ON THE BEACH. I BROUGHT THAT UP TO BRING THIS TO HAND AND I WILL ASK JACK ABOUT IT IN HIS PRESENTATION AND I'M ASKING YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BETTER GRIP ON THE FPRA AS WELL AS THE GENERAL FUND IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING REVENUES BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S A MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION OF 17TH ST. AND I BELIEVE IT STARTS AT ABOUT SOMEWHERE AROUND ORANGE AVENUE AND IT GOES AROUND AVENUE D. AND I HAVE AFFLICTED THE PLANS AND THEY ARE PRETTY DECENT AND NICE. BUT THEY ARE NOTHING THAT RESEMBLES THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT I AM SEEING ON A 1A IN OUR JURISDICTION IN TERMS OF THE LIGHTS IN THE SIDES OF THE SIDEWALKS IN THE STREET ITSELF WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE IS THIS AND WE HAVE A ROADMAP TO FOLLOW AND IT'S VERY EASY. AS WE REDUCE 17TH ST., I WOULD

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LIKE FOR IT TO BE SOMETHING THE RESIDENTS CAN BE PROUD OF AND WHAT MAKES A RESIDENCE PROUD BASED ON MY DIALOGUE WITH THE PUBLIC IS THAT REGGIE, WHILE WE CAN HAVE A LOT OF THE THINGS OVER ON THE BEACH OVER IN DISTRICT 1. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ROAD AND CONSTRUCTION AND LIGHTS IN THE SIDEWALKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYTHING IN DISTRICT ONE THAT RESEMBLES ANYTHING ON A 1A IN DISTRICT 1. I KNOW THIS WAS A PROJECT WE WERE DOING JOINTLY I GUESS WITH THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY AND MAYBE THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS IT TOO. BUT I KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE WHILE THE GROUND HAS BEEN BROKEN, SOMETHING OUT OF THE NORM AND NICE FOR 17TH ST. THAT RESEMBLES SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT IS ON THE BEACH A 1A AND THE RECONSTRUCTION IN THAT PARTICULAR QUARTER.

AND WHILE THE TIMING IS PERFECT BECAUSE NUMBER ONE IT WILL GIVE PEOPLE A SENSE OF PRIDE TO BE ABLE TO SEE MONEY BEING SPENT IN AN AREA THAT PERHAPS HAD BEEN NEGLECTED IN THEIR MINDS AND NOT ADDRESSED IN THE PAST BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE ROADS BROKEN UP.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN IS THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CHANGE ORDERS DONE AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BE SMART MONEY SPENT AND I WAS GOING TO TAKE THAT UP WITH JACK AGAIN BURIED IN WAIT ON HIM TO COME UP HERE IN A MINUTE BUT I'M DIRECTING THIS QUESTION TOWARDS YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST. IF IT'S THE WILL THIS COMMISSION TO UPGRADE THEIR PROJECT SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REAL NICE PEOPLE CAN TAKE PRIDE IN AND BE ABLE TO SAY WE HAVE SOMETHING WE HAVE TO SOMETHING IN DISTRICT 1 JUST AS NICE AS WHAT YOU SEE IN DISTRICT 2. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY ARE RIGHT. SO IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE FEEL THEY ARE BEING TREATED FAIRLY AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THIS IS A STREET THAT HAS BEEN NEGLECTED AND I HAVE BEEN PREACHING FOR YEARS AND WE FINALLY GET IT TOGETHER BUT THIS IS THE TIME NOW TO MAKE IT A REALITY AND GET PEOPLE SOMETHING PROUD OF.

WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST IN TERMS OF A FUNDING SOURCE, GENERAL FUND IN ORDER TO UPGRADE THIS PROJECT SO WE CAN MAKE IT SOMETHING NICE. THAT IS IF IT IS THE WILL OF EVERYONE INVOLVED, EVEN UPGRADE IT COMPARED TO WHAT JACK AND THEM ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, THAT WILL BE A QUESTION I WILL HAVE TO DEFER TO JACK WITH HIS CPI.

I DO NOT KNOW THE COST.T WOULD BE SOMETHING HE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS IS THE COST AND RIGHT NOW HE IS USING MOST OF WHAT HE IS USING ARE THE SURTAX MONEY THAT THE CITIZENS ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR ROAD PROJECTS.F HE SAYS HE COMES WITH A NUMBER AND YOU NEED 500,000 IN UTAH ASKED ME TO FIND IT, I WILL HAVE TO FIND IT IF THAT IS THE WILL THE COMMISSION BUT I THINK JACK IS THE ONE THAT WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

ONLY FIND THE MONEY WANT TO TELL ME YOU ALL TELL ME TO FIND IT.

AS FAR AS THE PROJECT WHAT IS INCLUDED, THAT WILL BE JACK ISSUE.

AND HE IS COMING RIGHT BEHIND ME TO DO THE PRESENTATION ON THE CPI.

>> EVEN UP NORTH AND OTHER CITIES, THEY HAVE MURALS, BLACK LIVES MATTER, DOWN THE CENTER OF THE STREET, SOMETHING OF THAT MAGNITUDE, SOMETHING NICE, SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE PRIDE IN AND DO SOME DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE WE DEALING WITH COVID-19, POTENTIALLY HURRICANES AND A SHORTAGE OF FUNDS, RIGHT NOW LADIES IN GERMAN, THERE IS A LOT OF FRICTION IN THE AIR WITH REGARDS TO THE DISPARITIES BETWEEN RACES.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THE BEST WAY FOR THIS BODY AND THE TIMING IS PERFECT, WHILE THEY HAVE THE STREETS ALL TORN UP, TO GO IN AND MAKE THAT A GRADE A NUMBER ONE PROJECT, SOMETHING DIFFERENT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AND SAY NOW WE'RE DOING SOMETHING.

SO I DID NOT MEAN TO TAKE YOUR TIME TO GET THIS ACROSS BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN YOU ARE THE

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FINANCE DIRECTOR IS WHERE WE SHOULD GO IN TERMS OF FINDING THE FUND UPGRADE AND DO SOME CHANGE ORDERS. BUT PEOPLE ARE WANTING MORE THAN THAT AND THEY NEED TO SEE MORE THAN THAT AND I WILL TRY TO DO ALL I CAN TO MAKE SURE THEY GET MORE THAN THAT.

THIS IS PERFECT TIMING TO ADDRESS THAT. >> MATTA MAYOR.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >>, AND ON THE GENERAL FUND PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU AND I AND NICK HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PROPOSED COST-OF-LIVING INCREASES FOR BARGAINING AND NONBARGAINING. OU KNOW IT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART AND IS NOT THE CASE AND YOU MENTION COMING BACK AND REDRESSING THAT AND WHAT WAS

THE TIMEFRAME FOR REDRESSING. >> APRIL. >> AT THE END OF OUR SECOND QUARTER. IT WOULD BE MARRIED YEAR. IF WE ADDRESS IT IN APRIL THAN I THINK THAT WOULD GIVE US A BETTER PICTURE AS TO WHERE WE ARE IF WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO WITH TAKING APRIL AND WILL DO WITH CASTING FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS.

>> IN OUR DISCUSSION, WE TALKED ABOUT AND YOU GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES.

HE SOLICITED TWO PERCENT COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT. WHAT WAS THE ROUGH NUMBER.

>> I THINK WE DID THREE PERCENT, TRYING TO REMEMBER. >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS TWO OR THREE PERCENT BUT I REMEMBER 300,000. OVERALL.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US TALK ABOUT IT IN THE JANUARY AFTER THE FIRST QUARTER JUST TO SEE.

I KNOW YOU GIVE US BUDGET UPDATES AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF WE CAN GET DETAILED INTO TO START THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE USUALLY THE BEGINNING OF THAT CONVERSATION TAKES A

COUPLE MORE MONTHS TO GET ACTION. >> A GOOD IDEA.

IN MANY CASES I WILL HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE END OF THE BUDGET TO TALK ABOUT THE MILLAGE RATES. IT IS IMPORTANT IN THE GENERAL FUND IS OUT EVERYONE IS SITTING IN THIS ROOM AND STAFFED AND HOW WE PAY FOR THE OPERATIONS OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

WE REALLY HAVE TO CONTINUE AND I BROUGHT IT UP LAST YEAR AND CONTINUE TO SCRUTINIZE THE ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURES.

>> I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE AND WE CANNOT LOSE SIGHT OF THAT.HE PRIVATE INDUSTRY IS ALL OVER THE MAP. IT IS TOUGH BUT I WANTED TO BE

KNOWN THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO KEEP IT ON OUR RADAR. >> AS WE LOOK AT FPRA THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE AD VALOREM TAX WHICH IS A RESULT OF THE 6.1 INCREASES WELL AND THAT IS AN INCREASE OF ABOUT $630,000. AS WE DRAFTED THE BUDGET WE ARE STILL ALLOCATING $350,000 FOR

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SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AND WE CURRENTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS IS OR IT IS GOING TO BE WITH SCHOOL AND THE SROS BUT WE DO HAVE THAT ALLOCATED TO BE UTILIZED FOR THE SERVICES.

AND THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE DEBT SERVICE OF AND THERE IS AN INCREASE IN THE DEBT SERVICE OF $65,000 AS WELL AND THAT AS A RESULT OF THE PRINCIPAL INCREASE IN THE PRINCIPAL PAYMENT INCREASE. WE STILL ARE BUDGETING THE $450,000 TRANSFER DESIGN RIGHTS THEATER. AGAIN THAT IS CONTINGENT ON THE OPERATIONS AND HOW FUNCTIONAL IT WILL BE AS WE MOVE THROUGHUT THE FISCAL YEAR BUT UNLESS YOU SAY OTHERWISE WE'RE STILL ALLOCATING OR VISITING FOR THE $450,000 TRANSFER DESIGN RIGHTS.

>> MATTA MAYOR. >> YES SIR. >> I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT.

DISTILLING WITH COVID AND SEEING WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE GATHERING PLACES ARE EVERYDAY THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER OR SOMETHING THAT TELLS US SOMETHING DIFFERENT NUMBERS INCREASE OR DECREASE. THAT IS WHERE I WANT TO KEEP FOCUS ON THEIR ALSO.

I'M NOT AGAINST THE 450 BUT IF WE HAVE A DIFFERENT OPERATION OR WE ARE NOT IN OPERATION, THAT IS FOR JANUARY MIGHT HAVE AN ABILITY TO REEVALUATE AND SEE THAT NUMBER CAN CHANGE WHICH THEN INCREASES NUMBER FIVE WHICH YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN OF, POTENTIALLY, WHICH HELPS THE CAUSE. THIS IS IN OPERATION WORKOUTS. THANK YOU.

>> HAVE A QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> ON NUMBER FOUR, AND IT IS FOR FUTURE PURPOSES, I KNOW WHERE WE ARE TODAY. IN TERMS OF THE SUNRISE CEDAR RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY ACTIVITY FOR THE MOST PART AT THE SUNRISE AND I WOULD BE REMISS AS LONG AS I LOVE THE SUNRISE AND I WOULD DO ALL I CAN TO KEEP IT UP AND RUNNING AND I FOR ONE, I AM WITH IT THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD I WANT TO DO IS SEE IT FALL DOWN IN ANY SHAPE FORM OR FASHION WHILE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THIS CRISIS BUT IT IS GETTING KIND OF HARD FOR ME TO SIT HERE IN THE SEAT AND KEEP JUSTIFYING THE SUNRISE EXISTENCE AND THE TRANSFER OF THE AMOUNT OF MONIES WE ARE GIVEN THE SUNRISE IN LIGHT OF WHAT WERE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. I SUBMITTED A CHALLENGE TO STAFF AT SUNRISE AS WELL AS OUR CITY MANAGER THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO JUSTIFY THE HARD WORK AND LABOR WE HAVE PUT INTO THE SUN RIGHTS THEATER.

AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE TO APPOINT WHERE WERE MAKING IT HAPPEN BUT JUST TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO TRANSFER THESE FUNDS DURING THIS CRISIS IS GETTING DIFFICULT TO DO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WERE GOING TO DO BUT WE CAN'T JUST SIT HERE AND IGNRE IT BUT AGAIN WE NEED TO PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER. I KNOW WE HAVE A SKELETON CREW RIGHT NOW MAYBE PERHAPS WE CAN GET THAT CREW AT THE SUNRISE TO PARTICIPATE AND BE A PART OF THE JOB RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOME OF THE AREAS IN CITY HALL TALKING JUSTIFY WHAT WERE DOING HERE.

BUT WE HAVE TO BE CREATIVE HERE. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE SAYING ALL WHILE YOU'RE SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY ON SUNRISE GOING THROUGH THIS AND THAT AND WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES. I WILL BE HONEST WITH Y'ALL. IT'S GETTING HARD FOR ME AND BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DEFEND THAT. I KNOW WE CAN GET OUR MINDS TOGETHER AND BE ABLE TO SHOW THAT THERE IS LIMITED ACTIVITY AS FAR AS THE FUTURE IS CONCERNED AS FAR AS THEATER IS PCONCERNED. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS. AS A RELATES TO COVID-19 AND THE POLICIES OF SOCIAL DISTANCING AND THAT IT WILL EVEN BE SOMETHING WE CAN EVEN CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN OURSELVES AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT THE PARTICIPATION AND ACTIVITY OF THE SUNRISE.

LET'S TRY TO START ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES AND IT'S NOT JUST BUSINESS AS USUAL.

WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW AND JUSTIFY AND PERHAPS MODIFY AND DO SOME THINGS DIFFERENTLY FROM

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WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING AS RELATES TO THE SUNRISE THEATER. THANK YOU.

>> AND LASTLY WE ARE TRANSFERRING 500,000 GENERAL FUNDS.WE DO HAVE A $500,000 TRANSFER FROM FPRA THAT IS HELPING US BALANCE OUR BUDGET. AFTER THE TRANSFER THE DEBT OWED WOULD BE DOWN TO $7.5 MILLION. SO IT IS DECREASING AS TO WHAT IS OWED FOR WHAT GENERAL HAS PAID FOR FPRA IN LAST TWO YEARS.

>> MATTA MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANYTHING OR CONFUSE ANYTHING. I WAS TRANSFER TO THE GENERAL FUND.

WE DID NOT TRANSFER TO THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE WOULD HAVE IT TO BE UTILIZED IN THE PUBLIC AS IT SHOULD BE AS IT WAS PLACED TO BE. SO WHY IS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW DOLLARS IN FPRA THAT WE WILL TAKE IT OUT AND PUT IT IN THE GENERAL FUND.

THEY HAVE A RUNNING TAB WITH US TO CITE SUNRISE THEATER FOR FOREVER.

IF THEY WISH, FPRA, WHY ARE THEY BEING THE MAN TO PUT ANYTHING BACK INTO THE GENERAL

FUND. >> MISS MORRIS. >> WELL COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW THE GENERAL FUND IS TASKED WITH TRANSFERRING ABOUT $3.7 MILLION OF THE AD VALOREM REVENUE WE RECEIVE OVER TO FPRA. FOR ALL YEARS, WE HAVE EVEN DURING THE DOWNTURN, WE'VE ALWAYS TRANSFER THAT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD TO.

THIS IS THAT WE ARE GIVING OVER THAT AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE OVER TO THE FPRA AREA.

WE HAVE FOR THE PAST SINCE I THINK ABOUT 07, WE PAID AND BEEN PAYING THE DEBT SERVICE COSTS. GENERAL HAVE PAID THE DEBT SERVICE CAUSE FOR FPRA WHICH IS WHY THAT NUMBER GOT UP TO $8.7 MILLION. ON TOP OF THE AD VALOREM TRANSFER THAT WE HAVE MADE THAT GENERAL FUND DOLLARS HAVE PAID FOR FPRA'S DEBT RESPONSIBILITY AND NOW WE ARE STILL DOING THE TRANSFER AND THERE IS ADDITIONAL REVENUE IN FPRA SO WEIRD TO SAY THAT WE TRANSFER THAT $500,000 BACK OVER BECAUSE IF WE DON'T WE ARE AND WE

SHORTEN GENERAL FUND 500,000 AND HAVE TO USE FUND VALUES. >> WHAT IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT?

>> I'M SORRY. REPEAT THAT. >> I SAID, WHAT IS FPRA DID NOT HAVE THAT $500,000? WILL WEEDS WILL BE ON THAT OVER THE HEAD OR WHAT IS I'M JUST ASKING THE MONEY BEING SPENT FOR THE FPRA AND THE FPRA WHATEVER, FOR IT TO BE SPENT THERE IS A REASON WHY THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE TO BEGIN WITH. THE FPRA FUNDS.

THAT IS FOR THE PUBLIC. I THOUGHT IT WAS. THE CITY TOOK THE RESPONSIBILITY IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO REPAY ANY FUNDS FOR DEBT AND THEY TEST. TEST.

TEST. 'TIS.

I'M JUST ASKING $500,000 COULD GO A LONG WAY.

IN THE FDRE DISTRICT. BUT RIGHT NOW WE WILL TAKE IT FROM THE FDRE. THEY ARE NOT PRODUCING ANYTHING

IN THE FDRE DISTRICT. >> THERE'S SOME CONTINGENCY FUNDS THAT REMAIN IN BUDGET ONCE THE DEBT IS PAID.

THIS $500,000 TRANSFER IS ALLOWING US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN OPERATE IF OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION.

ALL OF THE OTHER FUNDS IN GENERAL.

>> I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

I ASKED A QUESTION, WHAT IF YOU KNOW WE WERE DEMANDING 500,000 DOLLAR. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

WELL, OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, JUST

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TO ADD WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE FPRE WILL MEETING JULY 28TH AT JULY 28TH THE CRA PLAN WILL BE UPDATED AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTED WITH A RESOLUTION AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE WILL BE PRESENTED WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL ADOPT THE CRE PLAN.

CRE PLAN WILL THEN BE UTILIZED TO GENERATE THE BUDGET AND THE BUDGET WILL BE CRAFTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THIS CRE PLAN. YOU WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, SIR, TO PLACE THOSE FPRE DOLLARS AND TO ANY CAPACITY THAT THE FPRE BOARD TEAMS ACCEPTABLE TO MEET THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF

THE CRE PLAN. >> PROCEED.

>> OKAY. AS WE LOOK AT OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS WHICH ARE NOT ACTUAL BUDGETS.

THEY ARE SPENDING PLANS FOR THEM.

AND WE HAVE I'VE SHOWN HERE THE PROPOSED BUDGETS FOR OUR FUNDS AND THE INCREASE OR DECREASE AS TO COST THERE.

MOST NOTABLE IS MARINA, WELL MARINA AND BUILDING AND STORMWATER AS WELL. STORMWATER IS THE INCREASE BILLING COST AND THAT IS PROJECTING REVENUE ON.

MARINA, YOU KNOW IS UP AND GOING.

HE'S FACTORED IN THE -- THE FUEL DOCK.

>> RIGHT. >> AND FUEL DOCK.

HE'S INCREASED HIS BUDGET. AND BUILDING WILL BE MOVING OVER TO THE NEW FACILITY OVER IN THE PARKING GARAGE SHORTLY AND SO HE'S TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THE PROJECT THAT HE HAS UPCOMING AND THESE ARE HIS REVENUE PROJECTIONS.

YOU WILL SEE SUNRISE. I WENT IN AND WE ARE DOING $464,000 DECREASE. WE ARE -- THE BUDGET THEY'VE BEEN PROJECTED HAS BEEN ABOUT 3-3-3-2.

SOMEWHERE IN THERE. HOWEVER THE ACTUAL IS ALWAYS ABOUT 2-8, 2-7. I WITH ENTITY IN AND WE BUILT A BUDGET FOR WHAT THE LAST TWO ACTUAL RECEIPTS HAVE BEEN.

THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE TO SPEND ANYTHING OVER AND ABOVE THAT. THEY HAVE TO HAVE REVENUE TO JUSTIFY THE EXPENDITURE OVERAGE. WE ARE DECREASING THAT BUDGET AS WELL AS GOLF COURSE. WE HAVE BEEN BUDGETING ABOUT 1-4 IN THE PROJECTION HE'S BEEN PRESENTING.

WE WENT IN AND DECREASED IT TO ACTUALS WHICH IS 1-1.

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO START PRAYERFULLY WHERE WE WILL

END AS WELL. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THEN COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> QUICK QUESTION ON THE SINCE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS MOVING. I DIDN'T EVER REACH OWL TO PAUL AND ASK -- I JUST THOUGHT OF IT. ARE THEY CONTRIBUTING IN THEIR BUDGETS TO MAINTENANCE OF THAT FACILITY OVER THERE?

>> THEY ARE. THERE'S AN INCREASE.

WE INCREASED THAT CONTRIBUTION TO $275,000 THIS YEAR.

WE DID NOT DO AN ACTUAL SQUARE FOOTAGE COST.

WE DID INCREASE THE COST. BECAUSE THEY ARE NO LONGER IN THE BUILDING NOW. THEY WILL BE ABSORBING ALL COST FOR SQUARE FOOTAGE AS WELL AS UTILITY COST AND OTHER HARD COST THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. WE DID GO IN AND INCREASE THE

NUMBER. >> EXCELLENT.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

MR. JOHNSON. THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING OF.

THERE WAS SOME CONCERN IF THEY DON'T MEET THEIR GOALS THEN WHAT WE IS THAT GOING TO BE SELF-ADDRESSED? IS THAT GOING TO BE ON THE CITY'S BEHALF?

>> TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION THE SUNRISE THEATER FACES A SCENARIO IN BY THE REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES ARE OFF BALANCE.

WE WILL MAKE ADJUSTMENT TO INCLUDE OPERATING TO INCLUDE PERSONAL AND TO INCLUDE CAPITAL. THE SUNRISE THEATER WE FEEL IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

BUT WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC. AND SHARON ENGLE HAS DONE A MAGNIFICENT JOB. SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH US.

I THINK WE MEET MONTHLY; RIGHT? WE MEET MONTHLY.

WE GO OVER THE NUMBER AND FIND A LITTLE BIT IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM. THE BOTTOM LINE IS SHE UNDERSTANDS WHERE WE ARE. AND AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID WE RECEIVE EXECUTIVE ORDERS REGULARLY THAT CHANGES HOW AND

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WHEN WE CAN OPERATE OUT OF HERE. CURRENTLY WE HAVE SMALL PROGRAMS GOING ON. OUR NEXT ONE IS JULY 25TH AT THE BLACK BOX VENUE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS SITUATION, SIR. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IN JANUARY, WHEN WE DO REVIEW AND HAVE OUR FIRST QUARTER REPORT THIS WILL PROBABLY BE ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED AS

WELL. >> ARE WE EXPECTING TO BE OPENED

IN JANUARY. >> IT'S PARTIALLY OPEN TO SMALL VENUES. JUST DUE TO THE SIZE AND CAPACITY, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT WE WANT TO DO IS INVITE 1100 PEOPLE OR 1200 PEOPLE INTO A SMALL CONFINED SPACE TO SEE A SHOW. YOU DON'T WANT THE DO THAT.

WE WILL FOLLOW THE CDC GUIDELINES AND THE GOVERNOR --

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION. WHY FULL BUDGET FOR THE SUNRISE THEATER AS THOUGH THEY WILL IN BUSINESS ON A DAILY -- WHAT CAN I SAY, DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION. I CAN SEE THE GOLF COURSE SUPPOSEDLY OUTSIDE. AND I CAN SEE THEM BREATHING FRESH AIR. BUT ON SUNRISE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PEOPLE CONFINED TO THE AIR BEING PRODUCED INSIDE THE SUNRISE THEATER. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LIFE OF ME I DON'T UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T THINK PAST JANUARY THEY WILL BE IN OPERATION, OF -- TO FULL CAPACITY TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND THEN THEY GOT -- 20 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS.

I JUST YOU KNOW WE HAVE SPOKEN AT ONE TIME ABOUT DOING SEASONAL OPERATIONS AT SUNRISE THEATER. WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT TOO IN

JANUARY. >> BECAUSE IT'S NOT QUESTIONING

TO WORK. >> YES, SIR.

>> KEN, JUST FOR CLARITY, WE WILL --

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> AND THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE EARLIER. HOW CAN WE JUST -- WE CAN'T JUST SIT HERE AND CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE MAGNITUDE OF MONEY AS IF IT'S NORMAL OPERATIONS WHEN, IN FACT IT'S NOT. AT LEAST FROM THE CITIZENS STANDPOINT WE'RE TRANSFERRING MONEY OVER AS IF IT'S NORMAL OPERATION AND WE KNOW IT'S ABSOLUTELY COME TO COMPLETE HALT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER IS TRYING TO SAY. AT WHAT POINT ARE WE --

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO HERE?

>> I MEAN THIS IS THE BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY THAT IT'S NOT.

BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. IT'S INCOUUMBENT UPON US TO DO SOMETHING. IT'S THE LAST.

TRUST ME. THAT SUNRISE THEATER.

I KNOW WHAT WE PUT INTO IT. I KNOW THE EFFORT AND TIME AND CITIZENS AND ESPECIALLY THE PRIVATE SECTOR; HOW THEY PARTNERSHIP UP WITH CITY GOVERNMENT AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROJECTS IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE INVESTMENT THAT PRIVATE SECTOR PUT INTO IT.

THAT'S WHY I FIGHT SO HARD. AND I'VE BEEN CATCHING A LOT OF CRITICISM AND RIDICULE IN MY CAPACITY.

I CATCH HEALTH FOR THE SUNRISE. I TRY TO STAND TALL BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT IS AND WHAT IT CAN DO FOR US IN TERMS OF BEING AN INVESTMENT THE CITY PUT INTO IT PARTNERING WITH SO MANY PRIVATE INVESTORS. BUT I MEAN, RIGHT NOW, IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE ARE GOING TO TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. THIS IS A LARGE -- THIS IS A LOT

OF MONEY. >> JUST TO CLARIFY.

I THINK WE WILL ADDRESS THIS ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

IF THEY ARE CLOSED OCTOBER, THERE'S NO REVENUE SHOULD BE NOT MUCH EXPENDITURE. HOWEVER, THAT 450,000 THAT WE HAVE TRANSFERRED HONESTLY IF WE WERE TO CLOSE THE DOOR TODAY WE WOULD HAVE A COST OF ABOUT 450 IN HARD COST.

THAT'S THE INSURANCE COST WHICH IS ABOUT $275,000 ANNUALLY.

JUST FOR THE INSURANCE ALONE. WE GOT TO KEEP THE AIR FOLLOWING IN WITH THE UTILITY COST WHICH IS ABOUT $100,000.

THERE'S HARD COST IF WE CLOSE THE DOOR TODAY NOT HAVE ANY MORE

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REVENUE OR EXPENDITURE COST JUST FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 450,000 THAT WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO PAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND THAT'S OUR BUDGET PRESENTATION THUS FAR.

I ENTERTAIN MORE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

>> ALL THE QUESTIONS HAVE NO ANSWERS.

THERE'S SO MUCH WE DON'T KNOW. RIGHT? SO IT WILL CHANGE. WE CAN HOPEFULLY FOR THE BETTER, IT PROBABLY WE WILL HAVE I KNOW WE WILL HAVE ADJUSTMENTS.

>> I APPRECIATE THE BARE BONED ATUDE WE HAVE TAKEN AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE ARE TAKING THE MONEY THAT WE DO HAVE AND BEGIN IT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND APPRECIATE THE REST OF THE EMPLOYEES WHO UNDERSTAND AND WE'LL REVISIT THAT IN APRIL. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> READY TO MOVE ON TO NEXT

[b. Presentation of proposed FY 2021 Capital Improvement Plan by City Engineer]

ITEM. >> THE PRESENTATION OF PROES FY-2021 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN BY THE CITY ENNEAR.

THE PRESENTATION MISS MORRIS GAVE.

I'M NOT SURE ITS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA.

>> SO I'M WONDERING IF YOU COULD SHARE THAT WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. IT HAD GOOD PERCENTAGES AND NUMBERS IN THERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO USE WITH TAX PAYERS ASKING ABOUT THE BUDGET AND HAVE SOME GOOD INFORMATION.

>> WE WILL ATTACH TO THE AGENDA ITEM AFTER THE MEETING.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY LEAD-INS FOR MR. ANDREW. I BELIEF THE CIP ONE OF THE MOST COMPONENTS OF WHAT WE DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PLAN.

WE HAVE A FLUID CIP DOCUMENT. WE DO HAVE ON ANNUAL BUDGET AND WE PRESENT THIS TO YOU ALL AND WE UPDATE EVERY TIME WE HAVE A BUDGET WORKSHOP. MR. ANDREWS OUR CITY ENGINEER IN CHARGE OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM FOR ALL FACETS FROM TRANSPORTATION BUILDING, STORMWATER, AND PARKS AND RECREATION. AT THIS TIME I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR HIM TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.

>> MR. ANDREWS. >> MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, GOOD MORNING. LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION.

WOULD YOU LIKE I KNOW 17TH STREET CAME UP EARLIER.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT FIRST BEFORE I --

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> IF THAT WORKS FOR YOU. THAT WORKFORCE US.

COMMISSIONER SESSIONS YOU ARE RIGHT 17TH STREET IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. WITH -- PULLED IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUN FUNDS. FEMA, SURGICAL AT T TTHE -- SURTAX MONEY.

WE'VE COBBLED TOGETHER A LOT OF FUNDS.

I KNOW THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING SPECIAL.

I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S ABOVE ORDINARY.

OF COURSE WE'RE DEALING WITH THE STUFF THAT'S NOT TOO GLAMOROUS.

WE'RE DOING THE STORM, SEWER, WATER, SEWER, CURB AND GUTTER, PAVING. WE GET INTO THE STREET LIGHTS.

WE HAVE DECORATIVE STREET LIGHTS UP AND DOWN THIS SECTION.

WE'VE WENT AND PUT THE OVERHEAD ELECTRIC UNDER GROUND.

IT WILL BE ALL THE DISTRIBUTION WILL BEEN UNDER GROUND.

ALL THE SERVICES TO THE HOMES WILL BE UNDER GROUND.

THIS IS MORE THAN JUST AN ORDINARY PROJECT.

WE'RE LIMITED ON LANDSCAPING. WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING BUT THE SIZE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY REALLY CONSTRICTS WHAT WE CAN DO. WHERE WE HAVE AREAS WHERE WE CAN DO LANDSCAPING WE ARE DOING IT. WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE MOST WE CAN. BESIDES THAT, WE KIND OF WENT

ALL WE CAN DO. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW AND IT'S VERY VERY, VERY VALID POINT. IF I WERE TO PUT A PHOTO OF A-1-A RIGHT BESIDE PHOTO OF THE END RESULT OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, WOULD I BE ABLE TO SEE AT A MINIMUM SOMETHING ALONG THE

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SAME MAGNITUDE OF WHAT I SEE ON A-1-A VERSES WHAT'S BEING DONE.

AND THAT'S THE QUESTION OF THE DAY.

AND IF NOT, WHY SHOULDN'T WE AND THAT'S NOT FOR YOU.

THAT'S FOR EVERYBODY UP HERE. THAT'S NOT FOR YOU.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

WHAT I NEED FROM YOUR PROFESSIONAL STANDPOINT IS WHAT IS IT IF ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO BRING THAT UP TO THE SAME MAGNITUDE. YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE NICEST STREETS IN THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE.

UNLESS YOU GOT A STREET RIGHT HERE THAT I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT. I KNOW WHAT I SEE.

I SEE THAT TO BE TREE. SO WHAT CAN WE DO TO UPGRADE IT TO SOMETHING OF THAT SAME MAGNITUDE.

I KNOW THE EASEMENT PROCUREMENT WOULD DICTATE THE SIZE OF THE SIDEWALKS. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

WE'RE TOO FAR ALONG, GUESS IN THE PROCESS TO BE ABLE TO UNDO.

IF WE CAN DO THAT, THAT'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN'T DO IF IT'S ALL ABOUT PUTTING THE MONEY INTO IT AND WE CAN GO GET THE EASEMENTS THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS IN ORDER TO EXPAND.

BUT, AGAIN, WHAT IS IT WE CAN DO?

>> WELL, COMMISSIONER, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.

LET ME GIVE YOU THE KIND OF THE DILEMMA THAT WE'RE IN.

WE HAVE SECTION OF 17TH STREET FROM AVENUE B TO ORANGE AVENUE.

WE HAVE A CONSTRAINED RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THERE.

AND THAT SECTION WE'RE ONLY GOING TO HAVE SIDEWALK ON WEST SIDE. THE -- FROM B TO ORANGE LIKE I SAID WE HAVE CONSTRAINED RIGHT-OF-WAY.

WE HAVE WENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS REQUESTING THEM TO GRANT US AN EASEMENT. WE TOLD THEM THAT YES, YOU WILL HAVE SIDEWALK. WE CAN DO THIS, MAKE A COMPLETE STREET IN FRONT OF YOUR -- THERE'S FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS. I COULD NOT GET CONSENSUS FROM THEM. I ONLY HAD ONE THAT WOULD AGREE TO AN EASEMENT. SO ON THAT SIDE OF THE STREET, BETWEEN B AND ORANGE WE WILL NOT HAVE THE SIDEWALK ON THE EAST

SIDE. >> WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

YOU SAY YOU WENT TO THEM AND YOU APPROACHED THEM.

WHAT ISSUES IT. WHAT'S THE PROBLEM.

I KNOW MONEY WILL CHANGE THE MINDS OF ANYBODY AND ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY. THAT BENEFIT ME TO HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY IF I CAN'T MAKE MONEY AND IF IT MEANS GIVE IT UP FEW INCH FOR A SIDEWALK IS IT MONEY.

YOU CAN OFFER MY MONEY OR WHAT EXACTLY.

WHAT WAS THE ISSUE. THEY JUST JUST COMMITTED TO DIRT OUT THERE. WHAT IS IT?

>> WE WROTE A LETTER TO THEM. I DEPOSIT MONEY OR ANYTHING.

I SAID WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO AGREE LET THE CITY HAVE AN EASEMENT TO DO THIS. AND THEY CAME BACK AND SAID NO.

>> YOU DIDN'T OFFER MONEY. >> I DIDN'T OFFER ANY MONEY.

NOR DID I SAY WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER MONEY.

>> ESPECIALLY NOW. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK? THE ONE RESIDENT WE WERE WORKING WITH.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD MATTER. >> THEY'VE BEEN DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL MATTER

TO THEM. >> OKAY.

>> WELL, I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE TOO FAR IN THIS PROCESS NOW. WE HAVE TO SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN. THERE'S A WAY TO GET PROPERTY.

ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S FOR PUBLIC PURPOSE.

WE KNOW HOW TO DO IT. >> CAN YOU MAKE A STATEMENT.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA WHEN YOU LOOK AT PROJECTS TO SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE AND IMPROVE IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAT JUST THE CITY STANDARD. I WANT TO GO BACK TO LIKE WHEN D.O.T. TALKS ABOUT RIGHT OF WEIGHT ACQUISITION.

IT'S 2, 2 AND A HALF, 3-YEAR PROCESS.

THAT'S WHAT BUILDS TIME INTO PROJECTS LIKE THE BRIDGE PROJECT OVER HERE. NOT ONLY DESIGN BUT IT'S A PROCESS. WE HEAR THIS A LOT.

IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING GROUP.

IF YOU TALK TO THESE TWO PROFESSIONALS.

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WHEN YOU LOOK HOW YOU ENHANCE 17TH STREET COMPARED AVENUE D OR K A-1-A.

IT'S A CORRECT COLLECTOR ROAD. WHICH HAS HIGHER SPEEDS OR HIGHER CAPACITY FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES.

I HAVE ZONING MAP UP. 17TH STREET HAS RESIDENTIAL THROUGHOUT. IT DOESN'T ADHERE ITSELF AS A PROJECT TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AVENUE D OR A-1-A TOP PROJECT. YOU ENHANCE THE LANDSCAPE WHERE YOU CAN LIKE JACK ALLUDED TO. YOU IMPROVE THE STORMWATER UTILITY. THE UTILITY UNDER GROUND.

ENHANCE OR ENACT THE CITY ORDINANCE.

WHEN YOU DO RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT WHICH FPLE IS DOING.

IT COMES DOWN TO ZONING AND COMES DOWN TO COLLECTORS AND TYING THOSE INTO ARTERIALS. ARTERIAL WOULD BE U.S.-1, 25TH STREET. AVENUE D.

ORANGE AVENUE. THOSE ARE YOUR THOROUGHFARES.

THEN YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS WHICH THIS IS 17TH STREET I WOULD CONSIDER IT TO BE AN DEFER TO PROFESSIONALS.

WHAT I LOOK AT IN THE ZONING MAP I WOULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD COLLECTOR STREET. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. IF WE WERE LOOK AT ONE LIKE SUNRISE BOULEVARD GETTING IN THE GRAY AIR WHERE IT'S COLLECTOR VERSES AN ARTERIAL. THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CLEAR ON THAT TOO. OLEANDER AVENUE SAME TYPE OF NEW. ENHANCED ORANGE AND ENHANCED AVENUE D. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> AND TO DEGREE YOU HAVE A VALID POINT IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CONVENIENT AND YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGNATION IN THE ZONING I MATE NOT BE FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE THE IDEAL PLACE OR EVEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO. BUT WHAT I SUBMIT TO YOU IS THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST FREQUENTLY TRAVELED ROADS IN DISTRICT ONE. OF THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE.

I MAY NOT BE U.S. ONE OR AVENUE D OR 25TH STREET.

WHAT IT IS A STREET THAT EACH AND EVERY INDIVIDUAL FOR THE MOST PART IN MY DISTRICT FREQUENTLY COME DOWN.

I CAN ATTEST FOR THE LONG PERIOD OF TIME PEOPLE WERE WAITING FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. IT MAY NO BUT SOMETHING THAT IS PROBABLY EASY FOR US TO FIT IT INTO THE PROTOCOL.

BUT WHAT WE NORMALLY DO. WHAT I WILL SAY IT'S A STREET THAT DESERVES SOME ATTENTION TO BE REGARDS TO DOING SOMETHING OUT OF THE NORM RIGHT NOW GIVEN THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE FACING WITH THE INJUSTICES OF BLACK VERSES WHITE.

RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE ISSUES OF RACE THAT ARE ON THE CUSP OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US HERE. AND A CITY OF THIS SIDE AND A CITY GIVEN WHAT THE HISTORY HAS BEEN VERSES WHAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO. THE TIMING IS IDEAL FOR THIS PARTICULAR STREET. BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE AND MAKE PLANS FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS.

WE ALREADY HAVE THE STREET TORN APART.

ALL THAT WILL IT TAKE IS PERHAPS SOME CHANGE ORDERS AND SOME ENGINEERING AND SOME THINGS TO BRING IT ABOVE THE NORMAL STANDARD SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND THE CITIZENS CAN SEE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, WE REALIZE AND WE WANT TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND THE STRENGTH, TRUST ME OF YOU AND I MAKING A DIFFERENCE AND MAKING THAT STREET STAND OUT I MAY NOT BE AVENUE D OR US-1 MAY NOT BE ORANGE AVENUE.

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BUT EVEN IF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE PROBLEMS OCCUR. THE CORE OF THE CANCER IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE CAN'T FORGET ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE SECOND STREET DOWNTOWN WE'VE BEEN PUTTING ALL THAT MONEY INTO IT.

WE HAVE A-1-A TO A DEGREE IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

I JUST CAN'T SEE THAT AS BEING CAVEAT TO WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO DO HERE AND THAT IS TO COME IN AND RECTIFY SOME INJUSTICES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

>> AND IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

TRUST ME. WE'VE SPENT MORE MONEY FOR LESS IMPORTANT THINGS BUT TO GO IN THERE ON THAT THAT STREET TREAT FREQUENTLY TRAVELED, A STREET THAT'S NEGLECTED NOT FIT FOR YOU TO DRIVE A FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE ON IT FOR SEVERAL YEAR.

IF WE JUST GO IN THERE AND JUST DO SOME GREAT THINGS AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE, I CAN ASSURE YOU HAVE AN IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENT.

PEOPLE TAKE PRIDE WHEN THEY SEE YOU INVESTING IN SPENDING MONEY.

TAX PAYER MONEY. THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE MAGNITUDE OF THE TAX PAY.

THEY ARE TAX PAYERS TOO. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL WOULD BENEFIT FROM. NOT JUST THE NEIGHBORHOODS BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AVENUES OF HOW YOU GO FROM POINT A TO POINT BE IN THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE THAT'S A STREET AS FAR AS DISTRICT ONE IS CONCERNED THAT HAS SO MUCH TRAFFIC GOING BACK AND FORTH. THAT MAKES THIS A GOOD PROJECT TO DO. BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS GOING TO SEE IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY IN THAT REGARD. I KNOW IT WILL BE OUT OF THE NORM. I KNOW IT'S NOT THE BEST ZONING OR AVENUE D. WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PEOPLE FREQUENTLY VISIT AND TRAVEL DOWN.

IT'S BEEN NEGLECTED. AND RIGHT NOW THE TIMING IS PERFECT FOR US TO STEP TO THE PLATE FROM THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE AND SAY WE LOVE YOU TOO DISTRICT ONE.

AND WE WILL SHOW IT BY SPENDING SOME MONEY.

>> >> WE ARE I THINK IMPROVING.

YOU WILL SEE A PICTURE LIKE THAT WHEN IT'S OVER.

AND IT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.

MY OTHER CONCERN IF YOU ENHANCE A STREET TOO MUCH YOU TAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND NOW WE ATTRACTED TRAFFIC TO IT.

WE'RE SAYING COME DOWN THIS STREET.

THEN YOU HAVE A TRAFFIC ISSUE AND REMEMBER WE HAD TO PUT SPEED TRAPS OR SPEED BUMPS AND NOTIFICATIONS SIGNS OUT IN FRONT OF CA MEMORIAL ELEMENTARY COOL. THAT'S WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DO TAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET AND THIS IS WHY SIT A COLLECTOR AND NOT AN ARTERIAL. WHEN YOU CHANGE IT, BE READY FOR ALL THOSE DRIVEWAYS. I LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS THAT BACK INTO THE STREET TO -- TO HAVE MORE ISSUES AND NOW THE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE EXACT SAME DISTRICT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THEY SAY HEY, MAN NOW I HAVE SPEEDERS. BECAUSE I MADE THE STREET ALMOST TOO INVITING TO TRAVEL FASTER THAN THE POSTED 25-MILE-AN-HOUR SPEED LIMIT OR WHAT EVER IT MAY BE.

>> THERE'S MANY AVENUES FOR US TO ADDRESS THE INJUSTICES IN OUR SOCIETY. AND CAPITAL PROJECT ON STREET LIKE THIS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ENHANCE EXACTLY WHAT WE PROMISED THE TAX PAYERS THAT VOTE FORD THE -- VOTED FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE TAX. WE PROMISED THEM WE WOULD ENHANCE IT AND HOW WE WOULD SPEND THE MONEY.

I'M NOT LOOKING TO MAKE A CAPITAL PROJECT -- WE CAN DO THAT IN OTHER WAYS AND TAKE CARE OF THOSE INJUSTICES IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I AM FOR THAT.

>> I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> COULD I SAY SOMETHING PLEASE.

I WOULD -- YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID WE'RE UNDERGROUNDING UTILITIES;

RIGHT? >> WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A LOT OF OTHER PROJECTS. THAT'S UNUSUAL.

ALSO THE STREET LIGHTING YOU'VE SAID WE'RE DOING DECORATIVE STREET LIGHTING. I THINK WE'RE ALL RIGHT TREAT THING PROJECT AS SPECIAL AS WE CAN.

I THINK JACK HAS OUTLINE WHAT OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DONE BUT CAN'T BE DONE BECAUSE OF LACK OF EASEMENT OF JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS STREET IS.

I FEEL LIKE THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY SPECIAL.

>> LET ME ASK YOU THIS. IS THAT IT RIGHT THERE?

THAT'S NOT IT. >> THIS IS 7TH STREET.

>> MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THIS PROJECT WILL VERY SIMILAR IN

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DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AS 13 LITTLE STREET FROM ORANGE TO AVENUE E. THAT WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS DONE UNDER THE SAME HOSPICE AS THIS. I THINK IT CAME OUT GREAT.

THIS WILL BE ANOTHER PROJECT. IT WILL BE THE SAME WAY.

IT'S FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THINGS. I THINK IT WAS THE SAME COLLECTOR STYLE ROAD THIS IS. 13, 17TH STREET IS VERY SIMILAR.

THE DESIGN WAS VERY SIMILAR. I'VE NEVER

>> I WILL SAY THIS MUCH. WHEN YOU PUT A PICTURE OF A 1 A IN THE PRESENT STATE COMPARED WHAT THIS WILL BE IS IT ANY WAY GOING TO SEE RESEMBLE THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT YOU HAVE OVER THERE. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AS FAR AS ATTRACTING TRAFFIC AND POTENTIALLY ENCOURAGING INDIVIDUALS TO COME THROUGH THERE SPEEDING, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT OVER ON THE BEACH. IT'S BEEN THROUGH FLY STREETS AS IF A 1 A. IN FLY NEIGHBORHOOD ON A DAY-TO-DAY OPERATION. THAT'S NOT GOING TO TOM PER OR HAVE IMPACT ON TRUST ME THE SPEED OF THE TRAVELLERS.

BECAUSE THEY COME THROUGH MY STREET OVER IN DISTRICT ONE.

I KEEP TELLING YOU ALL. SOMETIMES JUST GO OVER -- JUST AND THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

GO OVER THERE AND SPEND TIME AND TALK TO RESIDENTS.

AND YOU WILL SEE THEY COME THROUGH THERE SPEEDING 40 OR 50 MILES PER HOUR IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ONE THROUGH THE LIGHTS AS IF IT'S NORMAL OPERATIONS.

I DON'T THINK THAT MINIMIZING THIS ISSUE BY WAY OF SAYING THAT IT WILL ATTRACT A NUISANCE THAT WE DON'T WANT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY DO FREQUENTLY ANYWAY.

IF ANYTHING THEY WILL SLOWDOWN IF THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT OTHER THAN TYPICAL 13TH STREET.

IF ANYTHING WHEN WE START WITH NICE PALM TREES TRUST ME.

THEY WILL SLOWDOWN. THEY WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK IT AND THEY WILL TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT THEY HAVE.

IT'S NOT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN -- IT'S NOT EVEN A POLITICAL ISSUE. IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WARRANTS AND BY THE WAY IT MIGHT BE A POLITICAL ISSUE.

I'M A POLITICIAN. IF IT IS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT WOULD BE JUSTIFIED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE FOR US TO APPROACH THIS PROJECT WHILE WE DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND DO SOME CHANGE ORDERS AND ENHANCE IT AND MAKE IT NICE.

JACK SPOKE ABOUT THE EASEMENT. MOST TIME WHEN GOVERNMENT.

I DON'T KNOW. I WOULDN'T GIVE UP MY PROPERTY.

FOR FIVE INCHES IF YOU DON'T KNOW CHECKBOOK THE PAY FOR IT.

THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE THAT WE CAN GET RESOLVE.

I'M SURE PEOPLE LISTEN THAT WILL GET INVOLVED.

I WILL FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE. AND SEE YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. THIS SOMETHING WE COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THIS THE TIME, THE TIMING IS RIGHT. THE STREET ITSELF IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEMS

ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> WE'VE BEAT YOU UP PRETTY ABOUT STREET RESURFACING.

I THINK I HAVE AN E-MAIL GOING OUT EVERY MONTHS.

IT'S ALL HEADED TOWARD. IT'S LIKE A LITTLE TORPEDO.

AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE A VERY EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR.

BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT AS SIMPLE AS JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT COATINGS DOWN OR SOME JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE STREET RIGHT.

YOU GET CURBING. YOU COULD HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH. WHEN YOU START TO TALK ABOUT UNDERGROUNDING AND AND ADDING A LITTLE BIT OF A STREET LIGHT THINGS LIKE THAT, TO ME I THINK THAT'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT.

AND I WOULD RATHER NOT SPEND ONE MORE DIME THAN I HAVE TO JUST SO

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I CAN GO AHEAD AND MAYBE EVENTUALLY GET TO ANOTHER PROJECT AND START MOVING THAT FORWARD.

WE TALKED ABOUT GETTING PUBLIC WORKS AND BUYING A MACHINE ONE TIME. AND I THINK COMMISSIONER SESSIONS CHAMPIONED THAT WHICH MADE SOME SENSE AT THIS TIME THAT WE START DOING OUR OWN STREETS.

BECAUSE IT'S THAT BIG OF AN ISSUE.

YOUR LIST ON STREET RESURFACING IS PROBABLY OUT THE DOOR.

I'VE SEEN IT YOU KNOW. WE TELL PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE ON THE LIST AND THAT YOU'RE AT NUMBER TEN.

NUMBER TEN ON THE LIST MAY TAKE TEN YEARS TO GET THERE.

I THINK IT'S LIKE TRIAGE. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SO HOW MUCH, HOW -- MUCH FINANCIAL ASSETS WE HAVE. AND HOW CAN WE USE FOR THE BIGGEST RETURN. AND I THINK YOU'RE PROJECT ON 17TH STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -- I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THE STREETS IN FT. PIERCE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DIFFERENT APPEAL. ESPECIALLY IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT NEIGHBORS, THOUGH A LOT OF TIME NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATIONS WILL COME UP AND THEY WILL TRY TO PARTICIPATE WITH THE CITY IN SOME OF THESE THINGS TOO.

THIS MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE WERE THEY CAN COME IN AND DRESS UP A STREET WITH A CERTAIN LANDSCAPE OR DO WHATEVER TO BE ABLE TO ENHANCE IT. BUT IN THE LONG HALL, I WOULD RATHER USE THOSE RARE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO DO MORE

PROJECTS AS WE GO FORWARD. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> YES. AS I LISTEN TO THE CONVERSATIONS GOING ON. THAT'S ONE THING I HAVE TO SAY IS NUMBER ONE THAT I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING UNTIL THE PROCESS IS FINISHED. YOU SAY YOU DON'T -- MAKE SENSE. WE HAVE A SCHOOL LANGDON PARK ACADEMY -- NOT EVEN A MILE DOWN THE ROAD THAT DRAWS SO MANY PARENTS.

COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, WE'RE LOSING YOU.

YOU'RE BREAKING UP. >> I'M SORRY.

THIS MODERN TECHNOLOGY. >> YOU'RE BETTER NOW.

>> I SAY THAT BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT STREET BECAUSE OF THE POST OFFICE THERE. THEN YOU WHAT IS IT ONE OF THOSE DYING STORES. DOLLAR STORES.

YOU KNOW, WE BUILDING OURSELF UP TO BE RESPECTED.

AND I KNOW -- WAS AVENUEM AND EVERYBODY COMPLAINED ABOUT.

EN RIDING ON THE BUS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

BECAUSE HE KNEW IT WAS NOT RIGHT.

IT HAD A CHANGE ORDER. MONEY HAD TO BE SPEND.

YOU TALK ABOUT THE NEXT 100 YEARS.

YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IT'S WELL DESERVING.

THE RELIEF OR THE CONGESTION AND SPENDING A FEW DOLLARS.

WE WILL HAVE MAJOR ROADS. THOSE THE STREET TRAVELED.

I JUST THINK THAT, YES, IF IT'S ONLY THREE STREETS, AND TWO OF THEM TWO ARE TAKEN CARE OF. THOSE ARE 17TH STREET.

THEY DESERVE IT. AND I KNOW THERE'S A FEW MORE DOLLARS IN THE CHEST. IT'S NOT WE CAN COME TO COMMISSION AND ASK FOR THAT. THAT'S ALL.

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MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME ORGANIZATION OR SOMEONE TO ADOPT THAT STREET SO THEY CAN MAINTAIN IT OR BEAUTIFY IT MORE.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ATTEMPT TO DO IT AND NOT JUST DOING FLY BY NIGHT. THAT'S MY CONVERSATION.

>> JACK, WHY DON'T YOU GO THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> OKAY. YEAH.

I WANT TO QUESTION OVER SOME OF PROJECT WE'VE FINISHED AND WE GOT OFF THE COMPLETED PROJECT WE HAD FROM LAST YEAR.

WE DID COMPLETE THE REALIGNMENT. THE 7 LITTLE STREET RECONSTRUCTION THAT WAS THE PICTURE ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

AVENUE A AND B. THESE WERE TWO SECTION OF STREET THAT WERE IN VERY POOR CONDITION.

WE COUPLE UTILITY AUTHORITY WENT IN AND REDID THIS UTILITIES AS WELL AS UPDATING THE PAVING AND DRAIN AGE AND PUT SIDEWALK AND THEN THE SEAWALL THAT WAS DAMAGED ALONG MELODY ABLE.

WE ALWAYS CLASSIFIED THAT AS TRANSPORTATION PROJECT ALSO.

>> BUILDING AS YOU ARE AWARE OF I'M CLAIMING THIS IS COMPLETED.

WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO IT ON THE PARKING GARAGE.

WE SHOULD BE FINISHED BY THE END OF THIS MONTH.

THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. >> CAN I ASK WHERE THE MONIES COME FROM? TO GET A PARKING GARAGE?

>> YES, COMMISSIONER THEY CAME OUT OF GENERAL FUND.

>> THE IDEA WE HAVE THAT PARKING GARAGE UP THERE AND WE KNOW NOTHING WE KNEW NOTHING AND I KNOW WE DID.

BECAUSE THE WARD THERE. HE CLAIMED THAT HE WAS GETTING REFUNDED FOR THE WORK THAT WAS DONE.

NOW YOU ARE TELLING ME ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF GENERAL FUND. FOR SOMETHING WE OVERLOOKED.

THIS THE MAINTENANCE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE.

THE PARKING GARAGE WE KIND OF DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR GOOD MANY YEARS. I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T HEAR THAT COMMISSIONER. >> I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING.

I'M LISTENING TO YOU. >> OH, OKAY.

THERE WAS FEEDBACK. I THOUGHT YOU ASKED A QUESTION.

ANY WAY THAT MONEY WAS DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE GRADUALLY THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.

BUT THAT'S THE HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT NEEDED TO BE SPENT FOR -- TO PREVENT THE WATERPROOFING AND EVERYTHING

THAT HAPPENED TO THAT. >> OKAY.

PROCEED. >> AND CONTINUING OF COURSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEIR NEW OFFICES OVER THERE AND THEN THE FUEL DOCK SUPPORT BUILDINGS. IT WOULD BE HAPPY DREDGING IN THE INTRACOASTAL THIS YEAR WHERE WE WERE MANDATED BY THE ARMY CORPS TO DO THAT. STORMWATER FUNDS WE HAD THE SURF SIDE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE WENT IN AND REDIED THE DRAINAGE.

PROVIDED DRAINAGE FOR THAT AREA AND RESURFACED THE STREETS ON THOSE. AND WE HAD OUR STORMWATER PUMP STATION YOU KNOW REMEMBER THIS IS E-STREET DOWN BY EDWARDS ROAD WHERE WE HAD THE PROBLEM DRAINING DOWN THERE AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL NEVER SEE THIS AGAIN.

>> WAS THIS WITH THE COUNTY. >> THIS WAS -- THIS WAS ALL -- DISCHARGED TO THE COUNTY BUT IT WAS -- WE INSTALLED THE PUMP STATION AT THE END OF THE STREET BECAUSE THERE WAS NEVER A POSITIVE OUTFALL. NOW WE CAN RAISE THE ELEVATION AND DISCHARGE INTO THE COUNTY. AND SO THIS WILL ELIMINATE THAT PROBLEM AT THE END OF THE STREET.

>> YES, SIR. >> I JUST ASK ONE QUESTION.

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THE INTRACOASTAL DREDGING THAT WE DO AROUND THE MARINA, IS THAT THE ONLY AREA THAT IN THE INTRACOASTAL THAT WE DO

DREDGING? >> I'M THINKING OF THE SAME THING THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT ABOUT THE PAVING OF THE STREETS.

IF THIS MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE A YEAR, THE EQUIPMENT WOULD PAY FOR ITSELF. WE CAN KEEP OUR OWN WATERWAYS WITHOUT BEING DEPENDENT ON ANYTHING.

WE CAN DO AN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE. BE BETTER TO BE DONE TWICE A YEAR THAN TO GIVE UP. IT'S A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, THIS WAS MAINTENANCE DREDGING THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY BY THE ARMY CORPS WITH CLAIMS THAT OUR CONSTRUCTION OF THE ISLANDS AROUND THE MARINA HELPED CAUSE THIS. THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION.

THERE WAS A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH -- I THINK WILL HAVE TO BE A JOINT AGREEMENT BETWEEN FINES AND THE ARMY CORPS I DO NOT SEE THIS BEING A CITY ANNUAL COST THAT WILL ARMY CORPS AND FINE TO HAVE PARTNERS FOR OUR MAINTENANCE.

>> I WAS JUST THINKING OF YOU KNOW -- IF IT WAS GOING TO BE THAT TYPE OF -- THAT TYPE OF TWICE A YEAR RESPONIBILITY

>> THIS IS OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PRACTICE.

WHICH I THINK EVERYONE IS FAMILIAR WITH.

IT'S THE SAME FORMAT. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IS STREET RESURFACING OR ONE OF OUR MAJOR PROBLEMS LIKE COMMISSIONER WEAR ABOUT 13 MILLION UNFUNDED FOR THE STREET RESURFACING BUT THIS YEAR LET ME GO AHEAD. THIS YEAR WE'RE LOOKING IN THE SECTION OFF OF OKEECHOBEE, FULTON DRIVE.

TUCKER COURT. PIERCE STREET.

THESE STREETS HAVEN'T SEEN RESURFACING FOR AT LEAST -- I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 25 YEARS. THEY HAVEN'T SEEN RESURFACING IN 25 YEARS. AND PROBABLY ANOTHER TEN TO 15 YEARS ON TOP OF THAT. THESE STREETS ARE IN REALLY BAD SHAPE. THE REASON WHY I CHOSE THESE STREETS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE A LOW VOLUME STREETS, WE CAN GO IN AND DO THESE STREETS WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A LOT OF OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE. THESE STREETS DON'T HAVE CURB AND GUTTERS. I'M NOT SPENDING MONEY FOR THAT.

I'M NOT DRAGGING STORMWATER MONEY AND EVERYTHING INTO THIS.

WE CAN GO IN, RESURFACE AND PAVE THESE STREETS AND MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN THIS AREA. I AM CHECKING WITH THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY. WE WILL WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DO WORK AND THEN TEAR IT UP.

BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK MOST OF THESE UTILITIES ARE OUT OF THE PAVEMENT AND WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DO

WORK AND WASTE IT. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> THAT'S NINE STREETS FOR $352,000.

>> CORRECT. WOW.

SO BY BEING VERY CAREFUL WITH YOUR EXPENSE YOU'VE COME UP WITH 40,000 AVERAGES 0,000. 40,000 NOW MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADD OTHER STREETS TO THE LIST. THAT WAS MY POINT FROM BEFORE.

THAT EVEN THOUGH WE START TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE STREET RESURFACING PROJECT WHEN THEY INCLUDE INFRASTRUCTURE CURB, SIDEWALKS, LIGHTING AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

IT GETS INTO THE BIG DOLLARS. THERE'S STREETS OUT THERE RIGHT

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NOW THAT MAYBE DON'T REQUIRE ALL OF THOSE OTHER ANCILLARY UPGRADES THAT WE CAN GET IN THERE AND AT LEAST MAKE THE STREET REASONABLE. BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH A LOT OF THEM IF YOU ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND YOU LOOK OUT ON YOUR STREET AND YOU SEE A PATCH, THAT'S BEEN PATCHED, AND THAT PATCH HAS BEEN PATCHED. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE MOST BENEFIT FOR OUR LIMITED RESOURCES.

>> THIS MONEY THE ESTIMATED 350,000 THAT WILL BE ALL SURTAX MONEY. THAT WILL COME FROM HALF CENT

SALES TAX. >> ACCORDING TO ONE OF OUR NEXT PROJECTS. THIS IS GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT RIGHT HERE. THIS IS E STREET.

E STREET BETWEEN OF E AND AVENUE D.

STREETS IN TERRIBLE SHAPE. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE BOTTOM PICTURES, SO THE CURB AND GUTTER.

THIS THE BOTH TO THE LEFT SIDE AND THE RIGHT SIDE IN VERY POOR SHAPE. ALMOST AS YOU CAN SEE THE CRACKS THE BASE HAS BEEN COMPROMISED. THIS STREET IS NEEDS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED. THE WAY -- THIS IS ANOTHER JOINT PROJECT THAT WE HAVE WENT WITH THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY.

THEY HAVE ALREADY COME IN AND COMPLETED THEIR WATER AND SEWER

UPGRADES IN THIS SECTION. >> I TOLD THEM THAT YOU GO INTO YOUR UTILITIES DON'T WORRY ABOUT DOING YOUR OVERLAY AND EVERYTHING BECAUSE THAT'S JUST LIKE THROWING MONEY AFTER GOOD AFTER BAD. BUT TAKE THAT MONEY, GIVE US THE CONTRIBUTION BACK TO THE CITY SO WE CAN HAVE THAT AND WE'LL GO IN AND RECONSTRUCT THE ROADS. THAT'S THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS. RIGHT NOW IT'S A CONSTRAINED

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> IT'S A 40-FOOT EXISTING IS 28-FOOT OF PAVEMENT. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS GOING IN NARROWING THE PAVEMENT UP.

PROVIDING SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDE AND STILL FITTING IN THAT SECTION. MAKING IT VERY NICE LOOKING SECTION IN THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN GET ADDITIONAL RIGHT-OF-WAY.

WE HAVE BUILDING THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO TO NARROW IT OUT GET IN SIDEWALK. MAKE IT A DECENT LOOKING

SECTION. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

>> YOU GO BACK TO THAT. THAT PREVIOUS PHOTO.

>> THOSE TELEGRAM POSTS ARE THEY GOING TO BE BURIED?

>> NOT IN THIS SECTION. WE'RE ON THIS SECTION OF ROADWAY THERE'S NO THAT MANY EXISTING HOMES.

I DON'T HAVE THE BIG CROSSING OF THE UTILITIES ACROSS IS THERE.

THE REASON WHY I ASK I KNOW THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

YOU HAVE EDUCATED ME ON THIS ISSUE.

THERE'S A DIFFERENT BETWEEN RECONSTRUCTION AND REPAVING AND WE HAVE ACTUALLY RECONSTRUCTED WE HAVE GONE AND TRIED TO DO A COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION AND THAT IS BURY THAT BLIGHT OF THE TELEGRAM POSTS. THAT'S WHY I ASK.

WAS THAT THE CASE. ARE WE GOING TO REDO THE STREET WHICH IS STILL THE TELEGRAM POST AND UP THERE LIKE IT'S -- I WILL

LEAVE THAT ALONE. >> OKAY.

>> IT'S JUST TO ANSWER WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

CITY OF FT. PIERCE HAS AN ORDINANCE WHEN WE DO RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT ALL UTILITIES ARE TO BE BURIED.

IF THIS RECONSTRUCTION. ALL UTILITIES SHOULD BE BURIED

UNDER GROUND. >> I WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. 3

>> THAT'S WHAT HE SAY. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A YES.

>> AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE WILL JUST REQUESTING FRO POSTAL FORBID DESIGN TOW WE'RE JUST ENTERING INTO THE DESIGN PHASE OF THIS. I WILL INCLUDE THAT IN.

I REMEMBER THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS

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WE HAD. WHEN I COMES TO REPAVEMENT VERSES RECONSTRUCTION. WE TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH WITH TELEGRAM POLLS AND OUR CITY MANAGER JUST VERIFIED THAT.

I'M LOOKING WHEN I RIDE DOWN THERE.

I WANT TO SEE ALL THAT BLIGHT UP IN THE AIR WHEN IT COMES TO THIS PROJECT. WE WILL HANDLE IT LIKE WE ARE

SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. >> IT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.

BECAUSE AT OLEANDER. WHEN IT WAS RECONSTRUCTED.

THE UTILTITIES WEREN'T PUT UNDER GROUND.

THAT WAS A PROJECT WITH THE COUNTY OR THE STATE; RIGHT?

>> YEAH. IT DOESN'T -- IT'S DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN BUT HAPPENS WHEN WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.

. >> YES.

>> IT'S A CITY PROJECT. NOT A STATE.

>> CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER WHEN WE DO RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IS I'VE TALKED WITH SOME FOLKS AT PFUA ABOUT RUNNING EMPTY CONDUIT AND MAKING SURE IT'S PART OF YOUR PLAN OR POSSIBLY PART OF YOUR PLAN, THROUGH THEIR CONTRIBUTION, BECAUSE I KNOW THEY TALK ABOUT RUNNING FIBER OPTIC THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BURY CONDUIT NEXT TO THEIR UNDER GROUND ELECTRIC OR WHATEVER UTILITY THAT HAVE.

JUST THINGS TO CONSIDER. SOME FOLKS ARE INTERESTED.

I'VE HEARD THE BOARD TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> MAKE SURE HAVI KNOWS. >> THAT'S ALL.

>> I WILL CAUTION THE COMMISSION ON SOMETHING.

WHEN WE DO UNDER GROUND ELECTRIC.

IT'S ANOTHER COST FOR THE CITY. I WILL TAKE AWAY FROM ANOTHER

PROJECT. >> LET ME CONTINUE HERE.

WHEN WE UNDER GROUND ELECTRIC WE ENTER INTO THE OTHER THING WHERE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE STREET LIGHTING.

STREET LIGHTING CANNOT BE FUNDED FROM THE SURTAX MONEY.

I WILL HAVE TO BE COMING BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

TO TAKE THAT OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.

I HAVE STORMWATER SURTAX AND REQUIREMENTS ON EACH OF THEM.

THAT'S WHILE I'M JUST CAUTIONING.

WE IMPLEMENT POLICY LIKE HE SAID HE DICTATES IT TAKES PLACE.

I WOULD HOPE YOU AS THE CITY ENGINEER MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT BEARING THE LINES WITH MAJOR RECONSTRUCTIONS. SO YOU LET US DEAL WITH THE MONEY. WE'VE IMPLEMENTED THE POLICY.

I DON'T WANT YOU TO CHORES CHANGE LIKELY WHAT WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN WITH THIS PROJECT HERE AND NOT BURY THE LINES.

WHEN YOU DO A STREET PROJECT THOSE TELEGRAM POLES THAT'S ONE OF THE UGLIEST THINGS YOU CALL LOU TO REMAIN IN PLACE.

EVEN A CHILD CAN SEE THAT. CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL THE TELEGRAM POLL BEING REMOVED HOW THAT WILL ENHANCE THEIR PROJECT.

IT'S GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE.

THAT'S WHY WE MRIIMPLEMENTED TH POLICY.

WE WILL FIND THE MONEY PART OF THIS.

BUT YOU HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF THIS.

>> THE ESTIMATED COST OF RIGHT NOW FOR THE SIDEWALK PAVING AND DRAINAGE WE'RE AT APPROXIMATELY $250,000 FOR THAT.

THIS WILL GO UP SLIGHTLY. BUT WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT.

>> THE OTHER PROJECT WE HAVE VERY SIMILAR PROJECT WILL BE AVENUE B FROM EAST TO 13TH STREET.

THIS IS ANOTHER JOINT PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY WHERE WE HAVE PORK CONDITION OF ROADWAY.

THEY NEEDED TO DO THE UTILITIES COLLECT MONEY FOR THEM FOR THE RESTORATION. PUT THAT TOWARD THE PROJECT, AND THIS WILL BE ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THIS. ESTIMATED COST AROUND $650,000.

WE'RE ABOUT THE SAME SAME PLACE WE WENT OUT FOR FROM POSTAL FOR ENGINEERING DESIGN. THIS IS RIGHT IN THE BEGINNING OF IT. THIS PROJECT WAS ALL -- ANOTHER SURTAX FUNDED PROJECT. AND THE SAME WAY WITH WELL FIFTH STREET IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

FIFTH STREET IS ANOTHER POOR CONDITION.

THIS IS IN OUR PEACOCK ARTS DISTRICT.

THE SECTION FROM BOSTON AVENUE TO DELAWARE.

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VERY POOR CONDITION CURB AND GUTTER POOR CONDITION AS YOU CAN SEE. IT'S BEEN PAVED OVER AND THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH OF THE CURVE LEFT.

THIS WILL BE ANOTHER COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION IN THIS AREA.

THIS IS -- LET'S SEE THIS PROJECT WE WILL UTILIZE THE ROAD IMPACT FEES FOR THIS PROJECT. AND THIS WILL AND WE'RE ALSO IN THE SAME TIME FRAME. THIS IS JUST GOING OUT FOR DESIGN. THESE THREE PROJECTS WILL ALL BE OUT FOR DESIGN AND CONTINUE RIGHT INTO CONSTRUCTION.

>> ALL RIGHT MAYOR. THIS WILL BE A GOOD PROJECT.

I THINK EVERYTHING ALONG FIFTH STREET IS COMMERCIAL.

IF I REMEMBER. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

. >> DON'T WANT TO ENHANCE THAT.

THEY HAD TO SHUTDOWN THE STREET FOR COUPLE OF DAY RIGHT NEAR

CITRUS AND FIFTH. >> YEAH.

THERE WAS A FEW DAYS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE THEY HAD TO REPLACE. I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITIES. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. SO JUST MOVING ON THROUGH OUR CIP. ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT I AM STILL SEARCH MONEY IS 13TH STREET.

WE HAVE THE SECTION BETWEEN DELAWARE AND ORANGE IN REALLY POOR CONDITION. THAT WHOLE SECTION OF 13TH WE REALLY NEED TO TRY TO FIND SOME DIFFERENT FUNDS AND I CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR FUNDING FOR THAT SECTION.

WE WILL CONTINUE ON THAT. GRANADA STREET IS ONE THAT WAS ADDED. IT WAS LAST YEAR.

THIS WAS SECTION OF STREET THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

THIS DIRT ROAD STREET ON THE BEACH.

WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT ONLINE. PROJECT WE NEED TO LOOK AT TO COMPLETE. THIS IS OUR LAST IN THE CITY.

>> WE DO HAVE SOME STREETSCAPE PROJECT THAT CONTINUE TO BE ON THE LIST. NOTHING NEW HAS BEEN ADDED HERE.

AND OUR PEDESTRIAN PROJECT. ONE THAT I WILL POINT OUT THAT'S THIS IS JOINT PROJECT BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. THIS IS THE CONNECTION OF THE TRAILS. THE INDIAN HILLS INDUSTRIAL AND THE SAVANNAH TRAIL. THIS IS THE CONNECTION OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. DOT IS FUNDED DESIGN -- WELL THEY FUNDED THE PD AND E STUDY. THEY FUNDED THE DESIGN.

AND CONSTRUCTION IS JUST COME ON FUNDING.

SO IN WHAT 24 THIS PROJECT IS HAS 2.7 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S A NEAT PROJECT THAT WILL BE COMING ONLINE. BUILDINGS.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING KNEW WE DID UP THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT ON THE CITY HALL EXTERIOR REFURBISHMENT.

THERE'S BEEN SOME RECENT ESTIMATES THAT PUBLIC WORKS IS ACQUIRED AND SO WE HAD TO BUMP UP THAT FUNDING A LITTLE BIT.

WE'RE STILL SHOWING IT'S UNFUNDED.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT DOING IN THE NEAR FUTURE. LOOKING OVER HERE.

>> WE DO HAVE PORPOISE BEACH PARKING AREA.

WE HAVE A SURVEY COMPLETED. A DESIGN SURVEY.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT DESIGN FOR THAT AND CONSTRUCT THAT.

THAT'S COMING DUE. WE NEED TO DO THAT IN NEXT FISCAL YEAR. THERE WAS A DATE CERTAIN ON THAT; WASN'T THERE? 82

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YEARS AGO. >> WE'VE GOT TIME.

>> THIS IS THE PARK IMPROVEMENTS THESE HAVE ALL BEEN ADDED CAUSEWAY PARK. WE HAVE MOVED THAT UP TO THIS YEAR. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOING A DESIGN AND POSSIBLY GOING INTO CONSTRUCTION IN THAT FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. THIS WILL EVEN THAT PARK THERE.

IT'S A VERY POPULAR PARK OVER THERE.

REVAMP THE PARKING, DO SOME CONSTRUCTION ON THE SEPARATION BETWEEN PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR USE.

THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO USE. WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN THE WAY ON THAT. FEN PARK.

THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN PRELIMINARILY DESIGNED.

AND THAT WILL BE IT'S ESTIMATED TO BE FUNDED FROM THE PARKS

IMPACT FEE I BELIEVE. >> WE DON'T HAVE A SOLID

ESTIMATE ON THAT YET. >> THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CIP.

OUR UPDATE ON THAT WE HAVE FAA APPROVAL.

WE'RE WORKING AT THE DOT APPROVAL.

GETTING CLOSER ON THAT. BE HAVE TO DO ONE THING WE DO HAVE TO DO WE HAVE TO GO TO LONG WOOD MEDICAL CENTER AND DO INTRALOCAL AGREEMENT TO LET THEM KNOW WE ARE PLANNING ON DOING A C-PLANE AND THAT WE WON'T INTERFERE WITH THEIR AIRSPACE AS FAR AS HOSPITAL -- THERE'S THOSE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO DO.

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. MARINA PROJECTS.

WE DO HAVE. WE'RE LOOKING AT GRANTED FOR A STORAGE POP OUT STATION. ARE ANTICIPATING THAT WE CAN GET THAT THIS FISCAL YEAR. AND THE REST OF IT STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT. WE DO HAVE SOME STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT WERE LOOKING AT DOING.

16TH STREET WE HAVE A SECTION OF STORM THAT FAILING.

WE'RE STARTING SINKHOLES IN THE ROAD.

WE NEED TO MOVE THAT UP ON THE LIST AND GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF THIS YEAR. AND THIS IS ALL STORMWATER MONEY WHICH HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED FOR THIS.

MOST OF THESE HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST.

SURF SIDE. SURF SIDE TRAIDRAINAGE.

WE COMPLETED THE PHASE ONE LAST YEAR.

THIS IS THE REMAINDER OF THOSE STREETS OVER THERE WERE WE REALLY HAVE NO DRAINAGE, WE NEED TO GO IN THERE AND RECONFIGURE THE DRAINAGE AND THE ROADS ARE IN SUCH POOR CONDITION THIS WILL BE PART OF THAT. WE HAVE SPLIT IT UP INTO THREE ADDITIONAL PHASES TO TAKE CARE OF THIS.

AND WE'LL EXTEND THAT OUT OVER THE FISCAL YEAR.

SOME OF THE STREETS COMMISSIONER CORONA LIKE PLOVER AND THAT WILL BE IN FIRST PHASE. AND THOSE STREETS ARE IN POOR

CONDITION. >> I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT RIO VISTA BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE REGULAR DRAINAGE SYSTEM, I GUESS. AND WATER DOES SEEM TO PUDDLE UP ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET ON A-S-A.

>> COMMISSIONER WE'RE WE HAVE WENT TO THE DOT AND WORKING WITH GETTING CONNECTION POSITIVE DIRECTION TO THE DOP SYSTEM.

THAT'S IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW. >> THANK YOU.

GETTING CLOSER. >> WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

>> I DID WANT TO GO OVER THE -- JUST AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE WITH SURTAX FUND. SINCE MARCH OF 19, WE HAVE

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RECEIVED 2.4 MILLION IN SURTAX MONEY.

WE EXPENDED 431,000 ON 7TH STREET.

A AND B. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE 1.1 MILLION INCUMBERED FOR 17TH STREET.

AND THE CITRUS AVENUE OVERPASS THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL BE STARTING WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS.

THAT'S A MAJOR PROJECT THAT WE'RE -- NEED TO TAKE CARE OF.

UPCOMING PROJECTS WITH THE E STREET WE TALKED ABOUT AND AVENUE B. WHICH LEES THE BALANCE OF 749 BY THE STREET RESURFACES THAT I TALKED ABOUT EARLIER AT 350 WILL COME OUT OF THAT 750.

I KNOW JOHN SAID THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A DECREASE IN OUR FUNDS. SO FAR WE'VE BEEN PRETTY LUCKY.

IN JUNE WE COLLECTED 108,000 FROM SURTAX.

THAT'S DOWN A LITTLE BIT LAST YEAR.

WE BROUGHT IN FROM THE MONTH OF JUNE 133,000.

WE'RE NOT THAT FAR OFF AS DIFFICULT TIMES AS WE'VE BEEN THROUGH. WE JUST HAVE TO SEE HOW OUR -- I THINK OUR NEXT PAY WILL TELL HOW THE VIRUS IS TAKING A TOLL ON

PEOPLE -- >> YOU MEAN FOR JULY?

>> WE DO HAVE FUNDS TO CONTINUED OUR PROGRESS FOR THIS YEAR.

I JUST WANT TO BRING THE COMMISSIONER UP-TO-DATE ON THAT.

SURTAX IS HELPING US. >> APPRECIATE YOUR HART WORK AND YOUR INGENUITY. YOUR ABILITY TO BRING MONEY FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLACES, AND DO PROJECTS.

>> MADAM MAYOR? 82

>> YES, SIR. >> I'M TRYING TO RECALL.

IS THERE ONE TIME PLACE MONEY FROM CITY COVERS.

DID YOU ADD THAT TO LINE ITEM OR DID I REMEMBER THAT WRONG?

WAS THAT A LINE ITEM? >> WHAT -- WHICH PARTICULAR

THING WAS A LINE ITEM? >> WE HAD PLACED MONEY --

>> DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION?

>> MR. MIMMS WILL ANSWER. I BELIEVE I DON'T HOW MANY YEARS AGO MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO WE ESTABLISHED.34MILLS TO WILL DEDICATED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND. IS THAT CORRECT JOHN?

>> YES. >> THAT AMOUNT IS USED FOR CAPITAL WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND, SIR.

>> BUT I'M ASKING DID WE -- 500,000 FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENT OR PAVEMENTMENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUYING OUR OWN EQUIPMENT. HOW LONG AGO?

>> ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO.

>> MISS MORRIS WILL ANSWER THAT FOR YOU.

>> WE DIDN'T -- WE ARE NOT BUYING EQUIPMENT.

WE DID NOT -- >> NOT BUYING EQUIPMENT.

>> I THINK COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS. IT WAS TOTAL OF $600,000.

WE TOOK 300 FROM THE SELL OF THE PROPERTY THAT WENT STRICTLY FOR ROAD IMPROVEMENT, 300,000 FOR THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS WE

DID. >> OKAY.

ARE WE STILL DOING THAT? >> WE DID NOT.

WE USED THAT FROM THE SALE OF THE PROPERTY.

AND THE REMAINING BALANCE YOU ALL DECIDED WOULD BE USED TO FUND DEBT PAYMENTS. I'M SORRY.

I WANT TO LET THEM KNOW LIKING INTO THAT GOING OVER HIS RECORD.

HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIECE.

I'M REALLY PROUD OF HIM. I'M NOT CRITICIZING OR SCRUTINIZING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.

I THINK THAT EVERYTHING WE DO NOW, ANYTHING THAT WE DO NOW IS

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GOING TO LAST FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS.

YOU KNOW WHEN I SEE A FINISHED PRODUCT OF HIS -- LIKE I SAID I DON'T HAVE A COMPLAINT. BUT I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE HAS THE COMPLAINT. NOTHING CRITICAL ABOUT IT.

HIS PROJECT AND HIS WORK. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> JACK, WITH THIS ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW, JUST SEEMS LIKE ALL MATERIAL COST AND ALL CONSTRUCTION COST HAVE ALL GONE THROUGH THE ROOF.

HOW IS THAT -- HAS THAT TRANSLATED INTO ROAD REPAIR AND

RESURFACING? >> OH, YES.

ABSOLUTELY. WE FIND THE COST CONTINUE TO GO

UP. >> I MEAN, WHAT SPURRED THAT I THINK WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE CITRUS AVENUE BRIDGE. WE WERE SOMEWHERE IN 400, 450,000 RAGE. NOW WE GET CLOSE TO 700,000.

I'M GOING, WE BETTER START FIXING THIS STUFF BEFORE IT GETS WAY OUT OF OUR REACH. BUT THAT'S ONE THING THAT IS MOVING TARGET. IT'S THE FACT THAT AS WE COMPETE FOR CONSTRUCTION AND MATERIALS, IT'S GOING TO -- IT'S GOING TO SHOW UP IN THE BOTTOM LINE PRICE.

>> GOOD POINT. >> IS THAT IT?

>> ONE MORE THING BEFORE WE LEAVE THIS ISSUE.

AGAIN, AS IT RELATES TO THE 17TH STREET PROJECT.

I'M JUST SITTING HERE GOING THROUGH THE CITY MAP HERE.

THOROUGHWAYS, FROM DISTRICT ONE OVER TO DISTRICT 2 YOU ONLY HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR STREETS, U.S.-1, 7TH STREET PARTIAL.

13TH STREET, 17TH STREET, AND 25TH STREET.

SO THE USE OF 17TH STREET IS CERTAINLY UTILIZED OF A GREAT MAGNITUDE BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY THOROUGH WAYS THEREN THOUGH IT'S TO SOME DEGREE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND RESIDENTIAL. AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF I BELIEVE JUSTIFIES DOING SOMETHING ABOVE NORMAL IN TERMS OF ENHANCING THE AESTHETICS OF IT.

SO COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER BROUGHT OUT A VALID POINT.

THAT'S ONE OF THE ONLY THOROUGHWAYS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT LINCOLN PARK ACADEMY, ONE OF THE JEWELS OF DISTRICT ONE THAT'S THE THOROUGHWAY TO GET TO IT.

THAT'S STREET IS PROBABLY USED JUST AS MUCH AS 25TH STREET.

I KNOW MORE THAN 32ND STREET TO GET TO LINCOLN PARK.

IT'S CERTAINLY BEING UTILIZED MORE THAN NORMAL.

IT'S NOT THE TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD STREET IS WHAT IMTRYING TO SAY. IT'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

A LOT OF VISITOR THAT BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO LINCOLN PARK.

THEY TRAVEL THAT STREET FREQUENTLY.

THE BUSES THEMSELVES THAT'S WHY IT'S REQUIRING MAJOR RECONSTRUCTION LIKE THAT STREET ON DELAWARE.

WE KNOW WHAT A BUS WILL DO FOR A STREET.

JUST LOOK AT DELAWARE OVER THERE.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED WITH 17TH STREET.

AGAIN, I HOPE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.

I WILL STAY ON TOP OF IT. I WILL SEE IF I CAN GET SOME CITIZENS INVOLVED. HOPEFULLY THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING TODAY. THEY WILL COME OUT AND SUPPORT OF TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ALLOWING THIS STREET TO BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE CAN DO. I WOULD LOW FOR IT TO BE SOMETHING NICER THAN NORMAL. 13TH STREET WAS NICE.

AVENUE M, I STILL GOT HEARTBURN FROM THAT ONE.

BECAUSE HOW THAT WAS HANDLED. BUT AGAIN, I JUST HOPE EVEN IF

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IT COMES FROM THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW SERIOUS IT IS. ESPECIALLY RIGHT NOW WITH TRYING TO SHOW AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE THAT WE CAN BE JUST AS FAIR IN OUR SPENDING ON ONE SIDE OF TOWN VERSES THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN AND THERE'S NO DISPARITIES AND WE CAN SHOW IT BY WHAT WE ARE DOING REGARDING SPENDING OUR MONEY ON THESE STREETS AS RELATES TO RECONSTRUCTION IN THIS CASE.

THANK YOU. ONE QUICK COMMENT ON THAT.

17 LITTLE STREET IS 1.2 MILLION. JACK PRESENTED WE COLLECTED 2.4 # MILLION. IT'S HALF OF WHAT WE COLLECTED ALREADY. AND I WILL JUST SALINE COHN PARK DOES ADD AN ADDITIONAL FACTOR TO THIS.

BUT LINCOLN PARK IS ALSO MADE UP OF HALF OF RESIDENTS AND STUDENTS FROM THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE.

WHEN EL START TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT THAT STREETS AND WE START LOOKING AT THE SCHOOLS, WE HAVE THE LOOK AT THE POPULATION JUST LIKE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES AND SEE HOW MANY TRIPS ARE GENERATED WITH THE LOCAL RESIDENTS IN GETTING TO LINCOLN PARK AND HOW MANY TRIPS ARE GENERATED BY GOING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD STORE AND THOSE ARE FACTORS AND ALL THIS STREET DESIGN. THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE USING HALF THAT MONEY TO RECONSTRUCT 17TH.

IT'S WELL DESERVED. WELL NEEDED AND IT'S A GREAT PROJECT. I DO NOT DENY THAT.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE OTHER FACTORS ARE IN PLACE THAT POINT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH JACK, FOR

YOUR HARD WORK. >> WE WILL MOVE ON.

[c. Discussion of Clean & Safe Initiative (CSI) program and fees]

>> NEXT ITEM DISCUSSION OF CLEAN AND SAFE INITIATIVE.

CSI PROGRAM AND IT'S FEES. >> WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE CLEAN AND SAFE INITIATIVE THAT WAS I BELIEVE INITIATED IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THREE YEARS AGO. I WILL START WITH BACKGROUND AND BRING US UP-TO-DATE. WE INTRODUCED IN 2015 TO THE CITY COMMISSION. CALLED CLEAN COMMUNITY INITIATIVE AT THE TIME. AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

WE WERE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVE INCOME SOURCES.

2015 WE WERE STILL COMING OUT OF THE PRO EL RECESSION.

PROPOSED BUDGET INCLUDE CODE ENFORCEMENT.

STAFF MEMBER FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND OTHER NONRELATED CODE ITEMS. DUE TO LACK OF FOCUS THEY CHOSE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CLEAN COMMUNITY INITIATIVE IN 2015. ASKED TO REVAMP AND COME BACK.

IN 2017 WE SUBMITTED CSI TO CITY COMMISSION.

THIS WAS FOCUSED ON DEMOLITION AND ABATEMENT OF STRUCTURES.

ALL FUNDS WERE RESTRICTED. ANY USE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COMMISSION. THE PROJECT DID RECEIVE APATROL.

CSI WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE ORBEDNANCE WITH SUN SET DAYS OF SEPTEMBER 30TH. UNLESS THE COMMISSION FINDS THE GOAL ARE NOT REACHED THEN THEY WOULD CONTINUE FOR THREE YEARS.

WHERE WE ARE TODAY. FUNDING SET BY RESOLUTION.

1 DOLLAR PER MONTH FOR UTILITY BILL.

>> EVERYBODY WHO HAS UTILITY BILL EVERYONES PART OF THE FUNDING. AND FISCAL YEAR 2018 JUST OVER 2290,000. 315,000 AND WE'RE AT $157 THIS YEAR. YEAR TO DATE.

A TOTE OL OF 148 DEMOLITION CASES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

OF THEM, I WANT TO FOCUS ON THE SECOND TOTAL DOWN HERE WHICH IS TOTAL COMPLIANCE. I NEED MY PEN HERE.

IT'S 97 OUT OF THE 148. THAT'S A FULL TWO THIRDS OF THE DEMOLITION CASES THAT WE INITIATED HAVE BEEN COMPLIED BY

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THE OWNER. WE ALSO DID 169 NUISANCE ABATEMENT CASES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

AND IT'SEN HIGHER NUMBER. 73 WERE COMPLIED.

CITY HAD TO ADDRESS 9 PROPERTIES WE HAD TO DE-MOLLISH THEM.

WE DID COMPLETE 40 OF OUR NUISANCE ABATEMENTS.

BUT OVERALL IT HAS BEEN SURPRISINGLY SUCCESSFUL THE AMOUNT OF COMPLIANCE WE'VE REACHED FOR THIS.

THE COST OF DEMOLITION IN 2018 WAS $38,000 AND IT WENT UP IN 2019 AS THE PROGRAM RAMPED UP. 2020 IS STILL PENDING.

ON TRACK TO DO 7. WE STARTED IN MARCH WHEN CORONAVIRUS HIT AND SO IT ALL CAME TO A HALT.

WE ARE -- WE JUST HAD ONAS THE LAST COMMISSION TO RESTART THAT PROGRAM AGAIN. FOR NUISANCE ABATEMENT 20,000 FOR 2018 AND 46,000 FOR 2019. AGAIN WITH SLOWED DOWN A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR. CLUSTER SUPPLIES.

THAT'S FOR THE CLEAR BOARDING AND WOOD FOR THE STRUCTURES.

JUST OVER $5,000 IN 2018 THEN WE SPENT ABOUT $5,000 THIS YEAR.

WHICH SHOULD HOPEFULLY LAST ABOUT TWO YEARS.

AND THEN THEY ADMINISTRATION 3,000 FIRST YEAR.

5,000 THE SECOND YEAR. WE'RE ONLY 750 YEAR TO DATE.

AGAIN OUR PROGRAM HAS KIND OF STALLED A LITTLE BIT.

LESSON NUMBER ONE. THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.

AND I KIND OF HAVE TO GIVE THAT CREDIT TO NEW PROCESS AND THE CITY COMMISSION. BECAUSE I COULD WORK FOR TWO YEARS TO GET A PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE, AND GET NOTHING.

AND THEN I SCHEDULE IT FOR CITY COMMISSION AND IT IS SUDDENLY FIXED. YOU GET SOMEONE'S ATTENTION.

I THINK THE PROCESS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT.

AS SOON AS WE MENTION IT IS COMING TO CITY COMMISSION.

IT STARTS WORKING. YOU CARRY A BIG STICK.

IT'S BEEN USED -- IT'S BROUGHT RESULTS ABOUT.

STAFF'S OPINION WE TRULY HAVEN'T REACHED THE GOAL AS DRAFTED IN THE 2017. AND STAFF IS NOT ONLY RECOMMENDIC THAT WE CONTINUE THE PROGRAM BUT THAT WE HAVE TO AMEND THE CODE A LITTLE BIT. I BELIEVE THE INTENTION WHEN WE WROTE -- WHEN WE PUT THIS PROGRAM WAS FOR CLEAN AND SAFE.

AND THAT HAS BEEN THE INTENT IN EVERYONE'S MIND FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. BUT WHEN THE WORDING WENT IN WE DIDN'T CAPTURE THE INTENT. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE TWEAKING TO THE ORDINANCE TO TRULY CAPTURE WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS ORDINANCES. FOR THE CLEAN AND SAFE INITIATIVE. I WILL SHOW YOU THAT IN A MOMENT. JUST A QUICK RECAP.

YSI GOALS WHEN I FIRST PREVENTED IN 2015 HAD EVERYTHING IN THE KITCHEN SINK. WE HAD A FULL LAUNDRY LIST.

WHEN I CAME BACK IN 2017. IT WAS BARE BONES PROGRAM DEMOLITION AND ABATEMENT. WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS IN 2020 DEMOLITION NUISANCE ABATEMENT IS IMPORTANT.

LOT CLEARING HAS A BIG, BIG IMPACT ON THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY AND IT WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM. I THINK THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT AND AGAIN THE WORDING WHEN IT PUT IT IN THERE.

THE LOT CLEARING IS IN MY OPINION REALLY VITAL TO THIS PROGRAM AND PROVIDING BOTH CLEAN AND SAFE THAT IT HITS BOTH TARGETS THERE. .

>> AND THEN ANY SAFETY MEASURE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

I THINK THAT CATCH-ALL PHRASE IS NECESSARY.

LET'S SAY THAT SOME STRANGE HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS VIRUS IMPACTS THE CITY. AND IT DEFINITELY CAUSES A SAFETY CONCERN. AND THE COMMISSION WANTED TO BUY50,000 MASKS. THIS FUNDING COULD BE THERE.

IT'S A RESTRIKED FUND. ONLY USE BAD I CITY COMMISSION WHEN THEY FEEL THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE THAT'S NOT ALREADY ADDRESSED. BUT I BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE JUST THAT LITTLE OPEN-ENDED THE ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO USE RESTRICTED FUNDS AS THEY FEEL ARE NECESSARY TO ADDRESS SAFETY ISSUE IN THE CITY. WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CHANGE FOR 2020, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING SOME MINOR CHANGES TO THE ORDINANCE. IT'S ADDING THE WORD CONDITIONS STRUCTURES AND CONDITION. CONDITION COULD BE COVID-19.

IT COULD BE AN UNFORESEEN CHANGE THAT WE DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD IMPACT THIS SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN THE LAST ANY METHOD DEEM APPROPRIATE BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THE SECOND CHANGE THAT I'M MAKING AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ITEM FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE COMMISSION, IS I THINK THAT THE SAFETY, THE CLEAN AND

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SAFETY -- I THINK IT'S A MOVING TARGET.

TO SAY WE WILL REACH THAT GOAL IN THREE YEARS IS REALLY AMBITIOUS TO SAY WE WILL REACH THE GOAL.

WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDING THAT WE FLIP THAT A LITTLE BIT AND SAY THREE-YEAR PROGRAMS. BUT UNLESS WE FIND THAT WE HAVE REACHED OUR GOAL, IT WOULD JUST CONTINUE.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S BOTH THESE ARE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION FOR THE CITY COMMISSION. IT'S STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

NUMBER ONE WE DON'T BELIEF WE REACHED OUR GOAL.

WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD GO FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS.

I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO AMENDMENT THE ORDINANCE A LITTLE BIT TO CLEARLY COVER WHAT THE INTENT OF THE PROGRAM WAS.

AND WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT IT BE CONTINUING PROGRAM UNLESS THE COMMISSION FEEL WE'VE REACHED THE GOAL OF CLEAN AND SAFE COMMUNITY. THAT'S -- COULD YOU LEAVE THAT

ON THE SCREEN. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

JUST A SECOND COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHEN YOU SAY ANYTHING ELSE AND SAY WOULD YOU HAVE INPUT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT COULD INCLUDE THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT? >> IF IT'S ANY METHOD DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY THE CITY COMMISSION IT WOULD BE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT COULD BE PUBLIC WORKS.

IT COULD BE SOME OTHER. >> OKAY.

AND THE EFFECTIVE PERIOD YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AUTOMATIC RENEWAL UNLESS SOMEBODY THINKS WE REACHED OUR GOAL.

>> THEN IT COULD BE STOPPED. AND LOT CLEARING THE MOWING

PRIMARY? >> IT'S THE CITY COMMISSION MANY YEARS AGO ADOPTED THE CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN. AND THAT'S PART OF THE LOT CLEARING PROGRAM. IT'S ADDRESSING ANY OF THOSE

ISSUE. >> I HAVE HAD THAT COURSE.

FORGET A LOT OF IT. IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN. I BELIEVE OVERSIGHT TRYING TO MAKE IT AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE. I THINK WE MISSED A FEW THINGS.

COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES.

I WANT TO ALONG THE SAME LINE ABOUT THE SAFETY ESPECIALLY --

AGREEMENT WITH HIRING EMPLOYEES? >> YES, COMMISSIONER.

IN 2015 WHEN WE FIRST INTRODUCED IT, IT DID COVER THE COST OF ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT EMPLOYEES. IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PROGRAM WHEN FIRST INTRODUCED BUT DIDN'T MAKE THE APPROVED

VERSION IN 2017. >> OKAY.

YOU SAY '17 DID NOT UP CRUDE IT. APPROVED PROGRAM IN 2017 DID NOT

INCLUDE THE EMPLOYEE. >> AND THAT'S NOTHING THAT YOU

NEED TO INCLUDE THIS GO AROUND? >> COMMISSIONER, I WOULD.

>> I'M JUST ASKING. NO ONE ASKED ABOUT THESE THINGS UNTIL THERE'S EMERGENCY OR URGENCY.

IF THERE ARE MANY OF THE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS.

>> AND IN MY OPINION, YES, THERE IS.

THERE'S FUNDING. THERE'S SUFFICIENT FUNDING IN THIS PROGRAM THAT WOULD COVER EVEN IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE A PART-TIME. THE PART-TIME CODE EMPLOYEE WAS CUT FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. EVEN BRINGING SOMEONE ON PART TIME TO ADDRESS ISSUE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A BENEFIT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO MORE AND ADDRESS MORE. THERE'S NO QUESTION WITH THAT.

THAT WOULD BE A COMMISSION DECISION TO -- HOW DO WE GET COMMISSIONERS TAKING CARE OF? IF YOU DON'T HAVE NECESSARY EQUIPMENT THAT INCLUDES THE WORK.

I'M NOT JUST FOR HIRING INDIVIDUALS UNLESS IT'S NECESSARY. IF NECESSARY I WANT YOU TO SEE

WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO. >> THAT'S ALL.

>> ALL RIGHTY. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> YOU MAY NOT HAVE HIT YOUR GOAL.

BUT I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF SUCCESS WITH THIS PROGRAM.

AND IT HAS RESOLVED A LOT OF ISSUES FOR MANY YEARS.

IT HAS GIVEN US A FUNCTION TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THEM.

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I THINK YOU SAY WE'RE THE HEAVY HAND.

BUT I KNOW PEGGY ONCE YOU SHOW UP AT THEIR DOOR.

THEY ARE FIGURING OUT WAYS TO GET IT FIXED.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. PART OF IT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DISTURBS ME OR NOT. IS JUST THAT WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE SUN SET. I ALWAYS SUSPECT GOVERNMENT WILL

FIND A WAY TO EXTEND IT. >> CORRECT.

>> CORRECT. AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE THAT GOVERNMENT THAT DOES THAT. AND SO WHEN I SAY THINGS LIKE ANY SAFETY MEASURE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

GENERALITY, I MEAN, WE ARE CREATIVE PEOPLE, FOLKS.

WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING. >> I THINK IF WE EXTEND THIS RATHER THAN GENERALITY. WE NEED TO DEFINE IT EVEN MORE.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY EXPLICITLY.

>> GIVE SOME EXAMPLES. >> THIS THE WHAT WE'VE DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED. HERE'S WHAT WE ARE GOING AFTER AND IF WE ACCOMPLISH THAT, THEN THIS PROGRAM IS OVER.

MAYBE WE CAN OR WE LOOK AT IT FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT SUNSET. IT'S SOMETHING WE WILL DO EVERY YEAR AND THEN WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO WITH IT.

BUT I HAVE TO SAY THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT JUST EVERY TIME THERE'S A SUNSET PROVISION IT'S SOMETHING I KNOW GOVERNMENT WILL FIGURE A WAY TO EXTEND IT. I DON'T WANT TO BE THOSE GUYS.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. IST -- I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. OUR ORIGINAL GOAL AND INITIATIVE CHANGES FROM 15 TO '17 AND LOOK AT 2020.

OUR BULLET POINT LIST IS NOT THAT BROAD.

>> YEAH. >> OR IT'S NOT THAT DEFINED I SHOULD SAY. IT'S BROAD.

BUT IT'S BROAD. IT'S NOT DEFINED LIKE IT WAS IN '15. IN 15 IT SAID WE WILL USE CRIME CRIME FOR PREVENTION. I'M WITH YOU.

WE TALKED EARLIER TODAY AND JOHN AND I THINK MENTIONED 100,000 IN THE BUDGET THROUGH THE CSI AND THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE.

T FIND IT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF IMPACT IS THAT IN THAT BUDGET IS THAT? CARRYOVER FUND?

>> IS IT EXISTING? DO WE RELY ON THE 100,000 BECAUSE OF THE PROGRAMMING BECAUSE WE DID IDENTIFY IN 2015 THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO SOME STAFF.

WHICH ARE NOT DOUGH THING YEAR. WHATEVER IT IS.

IF POLICE DEPARTMENT. SAFETY SECURITY TYPE THINGS.

WHICH TALKS ABOUT -- WHICH IS IN CRIME PREVENTION.

I'M WITH YOU. IT'S AN INTERESTING POINT.

>> MAY I HAVE -- >> SURE.

>> IF I WAS TO SAY ADD CRIME PREVENTION AND THEN IF THERE'S DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY THAT TYPE OF --

>> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR.

>> AGAIN, THAT'S GENERAL. I'M PROBABLY NOT BEING FAIR.

BUT WHEN YOU DO THESE TYPE OF PRODUCTS WHERE YOU SAY, HEY.

I WILL TAKE YOU MONEY FOR X AMOUNT OF TIME AND IT WILL BE OVER. THAT'S WHAT WE SELL TO THE PUBLIC. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN

AMOUNT OF DELIVERABLE. >> WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO QUANTIFY EVERY LITTLE THING COMING IN.

I'M THINKING THAT IF WE WANT TO EXTEND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND HAVE FOLKS COME IN AND WEIGH IN ON IT.

BE ABLE TO TELL EVERYBODY WHAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED WITH THE THREE YEARS THAT WE HAVE AND WE'RE ANTICIPATING MOVING THIS FORWARD LISTEN TO PUBLIC. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THEM KNOW THEY ARE PART OF THE DECISION PROCESS THAN IT JUST MAKING OUR

MIND UP AND GOING. >> PEGGY ON 2015 YOU HAD REASON TO -- ARE ALL OF THOSE THINGS ESTABLISHED?

>> NO, MA'AM. WE DIDN'T ADDRESS.

BECAUSE THE COMMISSION SAID NOT TO MOVE FORWARD IN 20 A.

RIGHT. I KNOW WHAT I SAY YOU NOW ADDED LOT CLEARING BACK IN. RIGHT?

>> REQUESTED THAT. >> IT'S STILL VERY LIMITED.

WITH THE GENERAL FUND. AND WE'RE JUST NOT ADDRESSING WHAT WE COULD WITH THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING.

>> IS GRAFFITI ADDRESSED? >> THAT THE GET IMAGE ADDRESSED.

WE ALSO I'M AFRAID TO SAY THIS ALLOW.

WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT. >> IT'S IMPROVED.

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>> THE KEEP FT. PIERCE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE COULD SPEND SOME OF THAT MONEY. IT'S CLEAN AND SAFETY COMMUNITY.

WE TRY TO IMPROVE THE LOOK OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AS WELL AS THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ACCOMPLISHED THAT ARE THAT YOU ENVISIONED WHEN WE CAME UP WITH

THIS? >> I THINK THEY COULD ALL BE OBVIOUSLY -- AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST DIRECT WITH SAFETY AND CLEAN. WE NEED TO DO MORE OF THAT.

>> GREAT FITTEDY THANKFULLY HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM RECENTLY.

AND I HOPE IT'S NOT IN THE FUTURE.

THE TAG AND TOE CONTINUOUS ISSUE.

THE PROBLEM WITH THE "T" AG AND TOE EVERYTHING IS REQUIRED TO BE CERTIFIED MAIL. WITH THAT PROGRAM WAS ADDRESSING ALL YOUR NONSCREECHES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

STAFF TIME. PROGRAM WE REQUIRE - WE'RE WITH THE LIMITED STAFF WE HAVE IT'S A PROGRAM THAT JUST HAD NOT BEEN RESSURECTED DUE TO LACK OF FUNDING AND STAFF. IT ADDRESSES SAFETY.

ALL VEHICLES ARE CONSIDERED ATTRACTY NUISANCE.

YOU HAVE STUDENTS THAT WANT PLAY.

BES CAN HIDE. THERE'S MULTIPLE ISSUE THAT ARE INVOLVED. AND WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THAT

IN THE MANNER IT COULD BE. >> SOME COULD BE POSITIVE OUTCOME OF HAVING COMPLIANCE LIKE YOU HAVE WITH DEMOLITION

AND NUISANCE ABATEMENT? >> WITH THE EVACUATES.

DEFINITELY. THE MORE THAT GET ADDRESS THE MORE COMPLIANT YOU WILL GET. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T ADDRESS. ONLY BECAUSE THE COST OF MAILING I DID NOTIFY THE PROPERTY OWNER. I'VE NOTIFIED THE VEHICLE OWNER AND I HAVE NOTIFY ANY LEAN OLDER.

IT'S DONE BY SERLTFIED MAIL. WE HAVEN'T ADDRESS THROUGH THE TAG AND TOW SO MUCH. THEY GET ADDRESSED BUT NOT IN

THE SAME MANNER OR FAST. >> THE KEEP FT. PIERCE BEAUTIFUL. BECAUSE THEY DO SUCH A GOOD JOB.

WE LOOK TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THEM SO THAT DO MORE.

THE ADMONISH FUNDING YOU HAVE BETTER YOU CAN DO IT.

USING CRIME PREVENT THEY HAVE THE PROGRAMS AND SO IT WAS LOOKING FOR FUNDING TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR PROGRAMS.

>> I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER. IT LOOKS YOU DO A GREAT JOB TELLING STORY. LET'S TELL THE STORY AND HAVE THE PUBLIC COME IN WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING REVIEW WHAT WE DONE. REVIEW ALL OF THE SUCCESS.

SHOW WHAT 2017 THOSE BULLET POINTS AND ALL THE GOOD THINGS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE AND HOW THAT 66, 67% IS A SPECIAL NUMBER. IF IT'S CHANGED WHAT'S

HAPPENING. >> TELL THE STORY WHAT WE WILL DO. REWRITE IT AND SAY THIS THE WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. IF WE CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM.

INCLUDE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION AND SAY THIS THE PART OF THIS.

WE WOULD LIKE TO DO TAG AND TOW. LOT CLEARING.

I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE. FOLKS THEY DON'T CALL ME REGULARLY. BUT THEY CALL.

EVERY NOW AND THEN SAY HAVE YOU LOOKED AT SUCH AND SUCH A CORRIDOR. IT JUST LIKES THEY ARE OVERLY

USED OR STORED ON A PRIVATE LOT. >> I THINK THAT'S NEW INITIATIVE. I THINK WE SAY THIS WHAT WE DID.

IT'S SUCCESS. THIS WHAT WE HAVE PLANNED.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THIS? >> PASS OR FAIL THE NEW

ORDINANCE. >> I WOULD REQUIRE TWO PUBLIC

HEARING. >> WE WOULD HAVE PUBLIC HEARING.

YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PRESENTATION.

>> I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE SUNSET.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF KEEPING IT 3-YEAR PROGRAM.

BECAUSE THEN AT LEAST THE PUBLIC THINKS THERE'S AN

OPTION -- THERE'S AN OPTION. >> YOU CAN EVEN ADVERTISE.

SUNSET THIS ONE. THIS IS OUR NEW ONE.

WE WILL CALL IT THE SAME THING. >> GOOD POINT.

>> NOW WE WILL START AGAIN. IT MAY HAVE THE SAME NAME OR CHANGE IT A LITTLE BIT. BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO FOOL

ANYBODY. >> SUBSECTION A THE CONDITION

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AND NUISANCE COMPLIANCE BY THE CITY ORDINANCE OR METHOD APPROPRIATE AND APPROVED BY DECISION COMMISSION.

YOU WANT THAT CHANGED. OR THAT'S OKAY.

>> I THINK YOU NEED TO CHANGE IT AND GET SPECIFICS.

>> C, DON'T CHANGE. KEEP IT THE ORIGINAL SUNSET

DATE. >> THREE YEARS FROM THE NEXT.

>> I WILL WORK ON LETTER A. C BACK TO ORIGINAL WORDING AND WORK ON SUBSECTION A TO BE MORE SPECIFIC.

>> MADAM CHAIR. >> YES, SIR.

>> IT WOULD IN IT SELF WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING HIM BACK TO BE

EXTENDED? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK IN THREE YEARS IF THE ORDINANCE REWRITTEN.

AS COMMISSIONER JOHN SAID ALMOST A NEW ORDINANCE.

>> I WILL GO ALONG WITH THAT. IT WOULD BE VERY SOON.

>> RIGHT. >> THIS WE HAVE TO FORGET ABOUT

WHERES IT? >> RENEW IT AUTOMATICALLY?

>> WHAT MY RECOMMENDATION WAS CONSIDERING THAT BE CLEAN AND SAFE COMMUNITY COULD BE A MOVING TARGET IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY GO FOR THREE FISCAL YEARS AND AUTOMATICALLY RENEW FOR THREE MORE YEARS UNLESS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION THE COMMISSION FOUND THAT WE HAD REACHED OUR GOAL IN WHICH CASE IT WOULD BE ALLOWED

TO SUNSET. >> FROM WHAT I HEAR FROM THE COMMISSION IS TO NOT MAKE THAT CHANGE TO ALLOW THE ORIGINAL WORDING WHICH WAS TO SUNSET SEPT SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2020 THEN ADDITIONAL THREE YEAR AND IT WOULD SUNSET AFTER THE ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS.

>> OKAY. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER INPUT ON THIS

SUBJECT? >> ARE YOU PRETTY CLEAR?

>> I'M PRETTY CLEAR. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SORT OF SUCH AN OPEN-ENDED THING IT'S ALMOST AS IF YOU WERE ANTICIPATING ANOTHER COVID COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

WE CAN'T ANTICIPATE THAT KIND OF THING.

>> CORRECT. AND THAT'S THE REASON FOR IT.

THIS RESTRICTED FUND. I COULD ONLY BE USED BY VOTE OF THE COMMISSION. IT'S NOT SOMETHING MR. MENDEZ CAN TOUCH OR JOHNNIE CAN TOUCH WITHOUT APPROVAL.

I WAS FOR SEEING THERE'S THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT CAN BE FORESEEN AND CAN'T BE DETAILED IN THIS. WHAT IF SOMETHING UNFORESEEN HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE WOULD ALLOW THE COMMISSION TO USE THE FUNDS BECAUSE THEY ARE THERE. IT'S JUST SO HARD TO SAY.

NO ONE WAS ABLE TO PREDICT COVID-19S GOING TO HAPPEN.

THIS IS NOT ON ANYBODY'S RADAR. YOU KNOW IF YOU FOUND SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO DO NOW THAT MONEY IS NOT AVAILABLE TO YOU.

BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR FUND AND YOU CAN'T TOUCH IT.

WHERE IF YOU PUT CAVEAT. YOU CAN MAKE MORE SPECIFICS.

THEN END WITH THAT. IT'S THE STATE OF EMERGENCY.

MAYBE THAT'S THE WORDING YOU NEED.

>> DOES THAT SOUND. >> SAY OR UNLESS THEMED BY THE MAYOR STATE OF EMERGENCY OR WHATEVER IT IS.

THE COMMISSION NEEDS. AND YOU KNOW VOTES ON THE FUNDS USED FOR -- EVEN USE THE WORD PANDEMIC.

WHATEVER THAT WORD IS. THAT DISASTER PREPAREDNESS.

WHATEVER IT IS. THERE'S SOME WORD.

CATASTROPHIC. UNFORESEEN EMERGENCY.

>> THAT'S LOOSE. >> OKAY.

I WILL TIE IT TO STATE OF EMERGENCY.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET.

MORE SPECIFICS BUT END WITH KIND OF DESCRIPTION OF JUST WHAT YOU SAID. WHICH IS UNFORESEEN

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CATASTROPHIC, STATE OF EMERGENCY.

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> I LIKE RESTRICTIVE.

IF WE GET INTO THAT BIG OF TRUCK.

WE DON'T TALK ABOUT LOT OF MONEY.

I WOULD RATHER BEAT THAT LATE OVER THERE.

AND SAY JOHN I NEED 100,000 IN EMERGENCY AND I'M SURE WE WOULD FIND IT. THIS RIGHT HERE, AGAIN, IS SOMEWHAT SACRED IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MADE GUARANTEES AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T LIKE THE EXCEPTIONS.

I WOULD CONSIDER IF IT WAS A STATE OF EMERGENCY MADE BY YOU MAYOR BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A GAME CHANGER.

I DON'T THINK THAT -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER REALLY DONE THAT BEFORE. BUT IF IT'S HOOKED TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT I COULD UNDERSTAND IT. BUT MY BIG SELL ON THIS ISSUE IS THE FACT IT'S RESTRICTIVE. THERE'S NO WAY THEY -- WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT IT FROM US. WE CAN'T TOUCH IT.

WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WAY WE CAN TOUCH IT.

I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE CAN FIND OTHER FUNDING SOURCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.

I'M JUST THINKING THAT LEAVE THIS THING PEER.

LEE IT ALONE. AND IT SELLS WELL.

THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SAY WHEN WE DO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

GET YOUR PICTURES OUT. PEGGY, YOU'VE SHOWN WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE AND WHAT IT BECOME NOW.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WIN ME OVER.

I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE SO MANY SUCCESSES OUT THERE.

HERE'S WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. HERE'S WHAT IT WAS AFTERWARD.

HERE'S WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO FUNCTION WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY. WE DID A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD FOR THAT. EVEN IF WE DIDN'T HIT YOUR GOALS. BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WOULD RATHER KEEP THIS AS RESTRICT STIFF AS I POSSIBLY COULD.

I DON'T WANT MY HANDS ON IT UNLESS WE DECIDED AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE HAVE SOLD THIS TO OUR PUBLIC AND SAID THIS THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH IT.

I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT. >> THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE.

>> I THIS ONE QUESTION WHICH MAY NOT BE ADDRESSED HERE.

WE HAVE HIRING FREEZE. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> I THINK IT MAY BE FOR PETE.

THE ORDINANCE SAID THAT UNLESS THE COMMISSION FIND WE HAVEN'T REACHED OUR GOAL, IT WILL CONTINUE FOR ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS. I THINK YOU WILL NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING TO MEET THAT NO MATTER WHAT.

YOU COME UP ON EXPIRATION DATE. BUT IT WOULD BE SEPARATE THINGS.

A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT HAVE THE PRESENTATION THIS THE WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED MUCH LIKE WE SAW.

AND THEN IF YOU WERE TO AMEND THIS -- IF IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE LANGUAGE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE HEARING. YOU CONTINUE WITH ONE ACTION RATHER THAN ORDINANCE AMENDED OR NOT.

THEN A SECOND ACTION WOULD BE TO AMEND IT TO CHANGE THE WORDING.

>> CORRECT. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY MATTER OF EMERGENCIES WE PAY WANT TO LOOK INTO I DON'T THINK IT'S AN ISSUE. I WANT TO CONFIRM IT.

AND CHECK IT. OFF THE LIST ARE THERE ANY ISSUE WITH RESTRICTED FUND DOLLAR USE GOING BACK AND ASKING FOR REIMBUSMENT FROM FEMA. IF YOU HAVE PROGRAM IN PLACE.

YOU COLLECT AND USE IT THEN GOING BACK INTO THE FEMA QUESTIONS AND ALL OF THE LANGUAGE THEY HAVE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE HAVE DECLARATION OF EMERGENCY WE GET REIMBURSED OR WE CAN MAKE AN APPLICATION.

NOT THEM SAY. WAIT A MINUTE.

I SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. YOU HAVE A SPECIAL FUND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE A RED FLAG.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT. IT'S JUST A QUESTION.

>> YEAH. YEAH.

ARE YOU CLEAR? >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANT TO ADD THIS.

SOME OF NOT ACCOMPLISHING SOME SOMETHINGS YOU TELL ME IF THIS IS SO. YOU WERE DEALING A LOT WITH ANIMAL SHELTER A LOT THIS YEAR. YOUR STAFF WAS; RIGHT?

>> THAT'S VERY TRUE. >> AND YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW AND REALLY HOW MUCH YOU COULD HAVE DONE IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THAT WHOLE EMERGENCY. IN TERMS OF THE DEMOLITION AND THE -- THE FIRST FOUR MONTHS OF THE YEAR WERE FAIRLY DEDICATED

TO THAT. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> ISSUE THAT WAS UNFORESEEN THING THAT CAME.

>> AND IT WASN'T ALL THREE YEARS.

BUT KIND OF BUILDING UP TO THAT YOU WERE SPENDING PORE TIME WITH

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THAT. >> YES.

>> THAT'S VERY TRUE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> MADAM MAYOR. >> CITY COMMISSION.

PRIOR TO US MOVING TO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

WE HAVE HEARD AND WE RECEIVED A PRESENTATION ON OUR GENERAL FUND. FPRE FUNDS AND OUR ENTERPRISE FUND. AND ADDITION.

WE ALSO RECEIVED PRESENTATION ON OUR CIP.

AND OUR CSI FUNDS. THIS THE BASIC CONCLUSION OF THE BUDGET WORKSHOP. SO BASED UPON THIS FIRST BUDGET WORKSHOP AND THE PRESENTED MATERIAL THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED TODAY DO YOU FEEL THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SECOND?

BUDGET WORKSHOP? >> I DO NOT.

>> I DO NOT. >> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION?

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? I GUESS HE HUNG UP.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> HE MAY BE MUTED.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS, MR. MIMMS ASKED A QUESTION.

DO YOU WANT TO RE. SHORT VERSION IS BASED UPON THE CONCLUSION OF THIS BUDGET WORKSHOP DO YOU FEEL THAT WE

NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER? >> WE WILL GO WITH CONSENSUS AND

MAJORITY. >> I'M TRYING FOR ALL OF OUR SAFETY AND WELL-BEING TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE MEETING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE CONDITIONS THAT WE ARE FACING. WE ALL TAKE A CHANGE EVERY TIME WE WALK IN, IN HERE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID ON THE NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES I WOULD SAY, YES, LET'S MEET AGAIN.

BUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T SEE A NEED TO. I WILL GO WITH THE CONSENSUS OF THE MAJORITY. BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW MEETING IN HERE LIKE THIS ON A REGULAR BASIS IS JUST RISKY AT THIS

POINT. >> I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH YOU. WE AGREED WITH YOU BEFORE YOU CAME BACK. AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. ARE YOU THERE?

>> WELL WE HAVE CONSENSUS ANYWAY.

APOLOGIZE TO HIM IF WE HAVEN'T HEARD HIM.

>> I'M SORRY. MR. MIMMS HAS A QUESTION WOULD

YOU REPEAT IT MR. MIMMS? >> I HEARD IT.

>> I WAS ON MUTE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IF WE HAVEN'T SAID IT GOOD JOB.

FOR DOING THE BUDGET UNDER DIFFICULT TIMES.

FOR YOU AND MISS MORRIS. WE APPRECIATE YOU.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

[e. Discussion, at the request of Commissioner Perona, of the restructuring of City Commission meetings to include the following: frequency of meetings, duration of meetings, selection of one date per month for continuation of meeting (if necessary), and the agenda creation and modification process.]

NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER PEROA OF RESTRUCTURING OF CITY COMMISION MEETING TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING. FREQUENCY OF MEETING DURATION OF MEETINGS, SELECTION OF ONE DATE PER MONTH FOR CONTINUATION IF NECESSARY AND AGENDA CREATION IN THE MODIFICATION PROCESS.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES.

MA'AM. THIS THE GREAT WE'RE FOUR HOURS AND 15 MINUTES INTO THE MEETING. AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW RATHER THAN PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THE REASON WHY I'VE ASKED THIS FOR DISCUSSION IS TODAY. SOME OF OUR MEETINGS GO ON UNTIL 11:00 AT NIGHT. SOME TO MIDNIGHT.

SOMETIMES WE'VE COME TO A MEETING ON A MONDAY AND ENDED UP GOING HOME ON A TUESDAY. AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT WORLD OUT RIGHT NOW. WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER DEMANDS GOING ON. WE START TALKING ABOUT CATCHING UP THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. WE HAVE MORE DISCUSSION AS FAR AS POLICY GO AND EVERYTHING LIKE LIKE THAT.

ALTHOUGH WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP OUR TIME HERE AT CITY HALL AS MINIMAL AS WE CAN. THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY DOESN'T ALLOW US TO DO THAT. SO I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A TIME FOR TO US BE ABLE TO TRY TO BECOME MORE EFFICIENT AND ACCOMMODATE THE NEEDS OF THE PUBLIC, STAFF, AND EACH OTHER ON

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THE COMMISSION. SO I CREATED AN OUTLINE.

I'M SORRY THIS IS NOT STAFF DRIVEN.

THIS IS ALL ME. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE COMMISSION MEETING OUTLINE. IT'S DISCUSSION 4-E FOR TODAY.

I BASICALLY PUT THE IDEAS THERE'S REALLY FOUR IDEAS.

I JUST ADDED NUMBER FIVE WHICH IS THE ROBERT'S RULE.

CHEAT SHEET THAT I FOUND ON THE INTERNET.

AND I JUST ADDED IT TO EVERYBODY CAN HAVE IT TO KNOW WHAT TO DO AND HOW IT'S PERCEIVED. FREQUENTLY OF MEETING.

I ALWAYS THOUGHT AND I SAID THIS YEARS AGO.

ALTERNATINGENING AND DAY TIME MEETING.

>>THE WORLD RIGHT NOW AT POINT IN TIME.

YOU SHOW UPS A 6:30 AT NIGHT THAT GOES TO MIDNIGHT, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY'S BUSINESS IS BEING DONE AT THE BEST ULTIMATE TIME. I SEE FOLKS THAT CAN'T GET DAY CARE. TRYING TO BRING THEIR KIDS HERE.

IT GIVES ME SOME CONCERN. STAFF FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY IS COMING IN FOR SOME PROPOSAL SOME DEVELOPMENT OR EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. THEY ARE ON THE ROAD LATE AT NIGHT. I GET UP EARLY IN THE MORNING FOR MY ROUTINE. AFTER 10:00 I HAVE A HARD TIME FOCUSSING. BUT I'M TELLING YOU THAT MAY BE A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. I LOOKED AT THE OTHER COMMUNITY.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT I HERE.

HOLD ON ONE SECOND. >> IT'S THE WING COMMISSIONER COUNCIL MEETING. I GOT ONLINE AND LOOKED TO SEE WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS DOING. YOU CAN SEE THAT ST. LUCIE COUNTY HAS EVENING MEETING AND MORNING MEETING.

PORT ST. LUCIE HAS TWOENING MEETING AND ALTERNATE MEETING THAT THEY SCHEDULE SOMEWHAT REGULARLY IF THEY NEED IT.

INDIAN RIVER COUNTY IS 9:00 A.M. TWO TIMES A MONTH AND VERO BEACH CITY IS 8:30 IN THE MORNING FOR BOTH THEIRS.

>> I WOULD SAY TO ADD TO THAT THEY HAVE REGULARLY SCHEDULED SPECIAL MEETING OR ALTERNATE MEETING IN CASE THEY CAN'T GET EVERYTHING DONE. IN THE ONE SETTING.

SO ADDED THAT TO THE AGENDA JUST TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT LOT OF THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.

WE 3 AND A HALF FOUR HERS THERE'S A TIME WHERE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY TO ONE ANOTHER. ARE WE GIVING ALL THE ATTENTION AND EFFORT THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN TO ISSUE THAT SHOWS UP ON OUR AGENDA. IN THE FIFTH HOUR.

>> I DON'T KNOW. I'M SAYING THAT THERE'S PARTS OF THIS -- I'M LISTENING TO THE COMMISSIONER EVEN IN THE PAST SAYING, THE HOURS LATE I'M GOING TO CUT TO THE CHASE.

SOMETIMES THE CHASE GETS YOU TO WHERE YOU NEED TO BE.

WHEN WE HAVE 6:30 MEETING THERE'S A CHANGES OF THE AGENDA TO MOVE THINGS UP AND DOWN TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE.

I WANT TO GET THIS OUT IN FRONT OF ALL.

EFFICIENTLY BE ABLE TO TO STAY FOCUSED AND ONLINE AND UP-TO-DATE AND TO BE ABLE TO ASO NOT DISENFRANCHISE THE OUR MEETINGS. YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU AN OUTLINE. IF YOU HAVE IDEAS OR COMMENTS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT.

>> PORT ST. LUCIE DOES SOME INTERESTING THEY HAVE A TIME CERTAIN THEY ARE GOING TO TRY TO END THE MEETING.

AND THE LAST AGENDA ITEM. THEY FINISH THAT AGENDA ITEM BUT THEY DON'T START A NEW ONE. THEIR TIME IS 11:00 AND THEY DON'T START A NEW ONE AFTER 11:00.

THEY RESCHEDULE THAT. THAT'S ONE IDEA.

AND ALSO I DON'T KNOW WHAT SACRED ABOUT 6:30.

BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH US STARTING OUR MEETING EARLIER

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IN THE EVENING. AND THERE'S ONE GROUP THAT YOU FORGET ABOUT. THERE'S PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE OLDER WHO DON'T WANT TO BE OUT LATE AND OUT AFTER YOU KNOW -- THEY DON'T STAY UP LATE ANYMORE.

THAT'S ANOTHER GROUP DISINFRANCHISED.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN STARTING OUR MEETING EARLIER AND HAVING A TIME CERTAIN AND NOT STARTING ANY NEW ITEM AFTER THAT. AND THEN HAVING AN ALTERNATE MEETING DAY FOR THE FINISHING UP OF THE BUSINESS THAT THEY FEED

TO FINISH UP. >> ALSO MAYOR, ON THAT, YOU THINK BACK WE'RE DOING IT THE SAME WAY THEY DID IT 40 YEARS AGO. THERE WAS REALLY IF YOU TAKE A LOOK WHAT THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY COMMISSION WAS IT'S TWO MEETINGS A MONTHS. YOU COME IN YOU DO THE CITY BUSINESS TAKES AN HOUR AND A HALF TWO HOURS AND YOU GO HOME.

WE HAVE GROWN WAY PAST THAT MOMENT.

NOW IT'S THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE NOT ONLY THESE.

WE HAVE CONFERENCE AGENDAS. WE HAVE SPECIAL MEETING THAT ARE DRAWN UP ALL THE TIME. WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL COMMITTEE MEETINGS GOING. THIS MORPHED INTO A BIGGER PRODUCTION THAN JUST A COUPLE OF MEETINGS A MONTHS.

>> WITH COVID-19 WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR SOME SOMETHINGS.

>> YOU KNOW THINGS WILL BE LONGER AND LONGER.

>> AS FAR AS THE MEETING ARE NOW, IN TERMS OF TIME I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MAYBE AN HOUR EARLIER OR SO.

BUT WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO ME THAN ANYTHING AND I TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER. WITH THESE CONFERENCE AGENDAS.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN BE A PART OF THE DISCUSSION. AND WE ARE FROM BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. DISENFROM CHOICE FROM BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND PERHAPSEN AN INFRINGEMENT ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BE HEARD WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THE MEETINGS WHERE IT'S CONVENIENT FOR THE AVERAGE PERSON THAT WORKS ON A REGULAR BASIS ON 9:00 TO 5:00 OR 8:00 TO 5:00 SCHEDULE.

SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THAT. THAT'S A VERY SENSITIVE ISSUE FOR ME. I WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE, TO BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF OUR DISCUSSIONS TO BE HEARD. BECAUSE HEARING THE PUBLIC IS WHAT MOVES ME. I NEED TO COME IN HERE WITH A PRECONCEIVED NOEGS NOTION OF VOTING ON ISSUE.

ME IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE AND ME SITTING UP HERE AND I MAY CHANGE MY MIND ALL TOGETHER. THAT'S IMPORTANT.

FOR ME, BECAUSE WHAT I THINK MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO A DEGREE. THAT I SERVE THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO ME. HOW THEY FEEL.

HOW IT IMPACTS THEM. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A WORLD WHERE WE I BELIEVE INFRINGE UPON THE AVERAGE PERSON TO BE ABLE TO COME WHERE IT'S CONVENIENT AFTER WORK AND YOU KNOW THEY MAY BE DOING THAT AT THE COUNTY THEY MAY DO IT AT PORT ST. LUCIE. WHO IS SAY WHAT THEY DO IS RIGHT WAY? SINCE I'VE BEEN DOING THAT.

I CAN SAY THIS PUSH. IT'S MORE CONVENIENT BASED ON WHAT I SEE FROM PARTICIPATION OF PEOPLE THAT THESE MEETINGS ARE HELD AFTER WORK HOURS. THAT'S MY POSITION ON THAT.

NOW ON TIME RESTRAINTS, DO WE COME IN HERE AND SAY WE WILL SPEND THREE HOURS FOUR HOURS AND CALL IT A NIGHT.

AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT.

TRUST ME. IT WORKS FOR ME.

I STILL DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

BECAUSE THE TIME THAT WE SPEND IN HERE FOR INSTANCE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REZONING AND THINGS GOING ON WITH THE BUILDING OF THE CUMBERLAND FARM OVER AT THE BEACH THAT NIGHT.

THOSE WERE ISSUED THAT MAJOR AND GRAVE CONCERN FOR THOSE CITIZENS AND TO JUST LEAVE BECAUSE I'M TIRED AND SLEEPY.

I THINK WOULD BE UNFAIR TO THEM AND WHEN I TOOK ON THIS RESPONSIBILITY THIS JOB THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, I MADE GREAT SACRIFICES AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. AGAIN, WHILE A LOT OF THE THINGS

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YOU SUGGESTED WORK MORE G FAVORABLY FOR ME.

I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS IT'S THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS THEMSELVES. THAT'S MY POSITION ON THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> THANK YOU.

>> IF A FEW ITEMS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT FOR THIS.

I AGREE WITH THE TIME SLOT ADJUSTMENT.

AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DURING THE DAY TIME.

I WOULD THINK THAT MAYBE A START OF 4:00 OR 4:30.

IT CHANGED WHAT HAPPENED AT THE END.

YOU KNOW WHAT THE AGENDA LOOKS LIKE.

AND IT'S SET UP FOR THE FIRST LET'S SAY TEN TO 20 TO 30 MINUTES SOMETIMES. MIGHT BE YOU KNOW OUR WELCOME INTRODUCTION, PRAYERS, PLEDGE, PROCLAMATIONS, NOTES FROM THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AND THE RED OUTLOUD INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. THERE'S A TIME FACTOR IN THAT, THAT'S AUTOMATICALLY BUILT IN. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT TIME FROM 6:30 ON TO WHENEVER IT ENDS THEN WE START THE BUSINESS.

A LOT OF FOLK SIT ON THE LOBBY PRE-COVID.

MINOR ADJUSTMENT IN THAT NATURE WOULD BE A BENEFIT.

IT BENEFITS AT THE END OF THE MEETING SIDE WE'RE NOT HERE.

IT HAPPENED. THERE'S TWO PERSPECTIVE THAT I THINK ABOUT. I HAD CALLS AND SOME FOLKS TALK TO ME ABOUT WELL, I WORK THE SECOND SHIFT OF THE DAYND I CAN'T COME TO THE MEETING. I OR HAVE I THAT TAKE.

THIRD THIFT PREPPING OR GETTING MY KIDS DINNER BEFORE I GO TO WORK. IT'S A MINORITY PART OF THE POPULATION. THEY ARE THE POPULATION THAT DOES WORK THOSE HOURS. I UNDERSTAND THE DAY TIME CONSIDERATION FOR THAT FACTOR. THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCESS AND HOW DO WE ANTICIPATE OR LOOK INTO OR TACKLE THAT PROCESS.

THAT PROCESS MIGHT BE LENGTHY OR SHORT.

DO WE LIMIT TO THREE OF THOSE PER MEETINGS.

IS THAT AN OPTION FOR US? I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S A CHALLENGE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE TRY TO DO THE WORK OF THE CITY WITH OUR PRIVATE INTEREST AND THE GROUPS THAT ARE COMING FORWARD WITH APPLICATION.

DOES THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN PUSH ANOTHER TWO-WEEK BURDEN ON THEM.

I DON'T WANT CAUSE THAT ISSUE EITHER.

THERE'S A LOT OF ADJUSTMENT THAT CAN BE MADE THERE.

>> DO WE HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING THESE ARE GOING TO BE LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS ONLY. JUST IN THAT SEPARATE MEETING.

THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY LEGISLATIVELY.

NOT QUASI-JUDICIAL. MAY WE KEEP THOSE AT THE NORMAL.

SPECIAL MEETING FOR LEGISLATIVE OR SPECIAL COMMISSION ITEMS ONLY. IT'S ALA-CART PICK IT AND CHOOSE IT. THAT'S HOW WE DO THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. THERE'S A LOT TO TAKE IN THERE.

I'M GOOD FOR THE TIME ADJUSTMENTS, FIRST AND THIRD.

THAT'S PERFECT. THAT'S A TWO-FOLD BENEFIT BY ADJUSTING THE TIME FRAME. IF I'M INTERESTED AS A RESIDENT TO COME TO CITY COMMISSION MEETING, IT'S THE END OF MY WORK SHIFT FROM I'M 8:00 TO 5:00 TYPE.

I MAY HAVE TO LEAVE A FEW MINUTES EARLY.

IF IT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART.

HOW MANY TIMES DOES THAT HAPPEN IF IT IMPACTS YOU.

ONCE EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS. IF YOU REALLY ACTIVE.

EVERY TIME THERE'S A MEETING. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS.

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. BECAUSE THESE THINGS WILL RATTLING AROUND IN MY HEAD. IT'S BASICALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ON THE SURFACE OVER THE LASTLY OR FOUR OR FIVE WEEKS. ESPECIALLY AMIDST THE PANDEMIC THAT'S HERE. IT'S REALLY BROUGHT THESE THINGS TO THE SURFACE. AND SOME OF THE HEARING THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO HEAR AND NOW WE'VE GOT A SLEW OF THEM ON THE BACKSIDE. ONE OF THE IDEAS TOO THAT I GOT FROM SOME OF THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE THIRD MEETING SCHEDULED AND IT COULD BE LIKE THE LAST MONDAY OF THE MONTH. AND WE WILL KNOW EARLY ON IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEED THAT MEETING CANCEL.

I DON'T KNOW. I THOUGHT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE FROM THE CLERK'S PERSPECTIVE THAT MAY BE EASIER TO HAVE IT AND CANCEL RATHER THAN HAVE TO ADD IT EVERY MONTH THAT WE NEED IT. I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE YOU CAN WEIGH IN ON THAT. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO

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HAVE IT SCHEDULED. BUT THE ONE THING WE NEED TO KEEP IN MIND WITH ANY OF THIS WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE THESE HEARINGS. IT HAS TO BE -- WE HAVE TO PICK A DATE. WE CAN CONTINUE IF WE HARD STOP AT THE END OF MEETING. WE CAN CONTINUE THE HEARING ON THAT SPECIFIC MATTER TO A DATE CERTAIN TO THAT MEETING THAT WAS ALREADY SCHEDULED. WITHOUT HAVING TO READVERTISE.

BUT WE HAVE TO -- WITH HAVE TO MINDFUL OF THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENT. THAT GOES BACK TO STAFF.

STAFF NICK, YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH YEAR UNDER YOUR BELT TO LOOK AT THE AGENDA. YOU KNOW THE HOT SPOTS.

YOU KNOW THE THINGS THAT GO FAST.

>> NO HE DOESN'T.

. >> GIVING YOU CREDIT.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE ARC ADMINISTRATE THING THING TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN ESTIMATE, MAYBE. ESTIMATE EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH AN AGENDA THAT PUTS US SIX, SEVEN HOURS DOWN THE WAY. I THINK HAVING THAT THIRD MEETING SCHEDULED EVERY MONTH AT LEAST MAYBE THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR JUST TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES, MAY

BE HELPFUL TO THE PROGRAM. >> HAVE NO PROBLEM.

OTHER THING I FORGET TO MENTION, THINK ABOUT IT FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE. THEY ARE HERE AND THEY SAYING OH HIGH GOODNESS. ANOTHER NIGHT.

ANOTHER NIGHT. THEY ARE ALREADY DOING THE WORK OFTY THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NORMAL BUSINESS TIME.

SO THEY HAVE TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT THERE.

THAT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY PROPONENT OF MOVING THE HOUR UP OR THE TWO HOURS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE IN MY CASE.

I PROPOSE 2 AND A HALF HOUR CHANGE.

FROM STAFF BEING HERE. FOR THE NIGHT MEETING, THAT WE HAVE NOW. MOVING UP TO 4:30 OR 5:00.

ONE OF THE TWO THAT WE DO THAT WITH.

IF YOU THINK FROM STAFF PERSPECTIVE.

THEY PREPARED. IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IT GETS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA AND FINALLY GETS TO US AND THAT'S ANOTHER PART I WILL ASK FOR.

EARLIER SUBMITTAL TIME. BUT FINALLY GET TO US NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THE FOLLOWING MONDAY WE'VE GOT TO STAY LATE AND IT'S PART OF THE DEAL. NAY SIGNED UP FOR.

WE DIDN'T SIGN THEIR NAME FOR THEM.

THEY HAVE PART OF THEIR EMPLOYMENT IS ATTENDING THESE MEETING AND HELPING US OUT. BY MY OTHER REQUEST I DON'T WANT TO FORGET IS THE AGENDA SUBMITTAL TIME.

IF WE COULD I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, WANT TO HAVE MORE INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC WHEN IT'S FEASIBLE NOT IN THE QUASI-JUDICIAL FORMAT. ALLOW US TO GET MORE FEEL FROM THE PUBLIC PRIOR TO A COMMISSION MEETING.

IF WE CAN GET THAT AGENDA PUBLISHED AND TWO MINIMUM OF 7 DAYS IN ADVANCE. I YOU TRY TO PUSH AND PULL.

THE DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE TO BE ORGANIZED AND STRIKE AND HOW THEY PLAN AND SUBMIT. WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SUBMIT.

I KNOW. IT'S A CHALLENGE.

>> THAT'S MY REQUEST. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER, ALEXANDER. >> YES.

I'M LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION.

I HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF YOU ALL. I'M ABLE TO LOOK AT YOU UP AND DOWN THE LINE. I THINK YOUR IDEA OF THE THIRD MEETING IS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO MAKE A SUGGESTION ABOUT. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A LONG DRAWN-OUT MEETING. IT CAN BE JUST TO TRY TO CATCH UP ON THOSE QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEMS THAT WE HAVE.

I'M LOOKING AT TALKING ABOUT 30 OR 40 YEARS OF CHANGES THAT YOU ALL WANT TO MAKE IN ONE NIGHT. I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO OBSERVE WHAT'S BEING SAID TAKEN IN. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WITH THE PUBLIC. I THINK IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NOT CAST OUR PUBLIC TO THE SIDE.

EVEN IN THIS BUSINESS THERE'S A PART WE HAVE FROM AFAR.

WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY COME. FOR THEM TO SAY THEY DIFFICULT THROUGH THIS. THE COMMISSION UP ALL NIGHT.

YOU TOLD THAT THEY GOT TO GO HOME AND TALK ABOUT THE NEXT MEETING. THAT'S JUST DUMB.

WE SHOULD KNOW THIS BEFORE WE SHOULD KNOW WHAT KIND OF ITEMS WE HAVE ON THIS AGENDA. AND WE SHOULD BE -- THAT SHOULD COME FROM THE ATTORNEYS A OFFICE.

THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE CITY MANAGER.

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THERE'S AN OCCASION WE SIT TO 11:00 OR 12:00 AT NIGHT.

FOR ONCE OR TWICE. YOU KNOW, I CAN REMEMBER EVERY MEETING AT 11:00 AND 12:00. THOSE DAYS WERE NOT THAT FAR AWAY. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO DEAL WITH IT AS COMMISSIONER. NEVER FOR THE PUBLIC.

WE GOT TO THE END OF THE MEETING NOW AS IT IS.

>> A LOT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE THERE 6:30.

THAT'S WHO I JUST I DON'T KNOW. THEY ARE AT THE END OF THE MEETING, WE RISK THAT ALL THE PUBLIC STAY SOMETIME AND SEE HOW BUSINESS IS DONE. THE ADD ANOTHER MEETING, THEY ADD MEETING EVERY DAY. ANOTHER MEETING.

IT'S NOT NECESSARY. WE DON'T NEED IT.

I CAN BE CANCELLED. BUT AT LEAST HAVE IT THERE AVAILABLE LAST MONDAY IN THE MONTHS.

THAT DON'T SOUND LIKE MUCH. IT'S THERE AND AVAILABLE FOR US.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> YES, SIR.

>> AND AGAIN, HE BRINGS UP VALID POINT ABOUT EXCLUDEING THE PUBLIC. I KNOW THAT AGAIN THE AVERAGE INDIVIDUAL FROM A MAJORITY STANDPOINT WORKS TO 5:00 OR 5:30. THESE SOMETHINGS WERE DONE FOR A REASON. A LOT OF TIME WE TRIED TO CHANGE THEM FOR OUR CONVENIENCE. WE DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. A LOT O FOUR FOREFATHERS DID THESE THINGS FOR A REASON. I AM ONE TO BELIEVE THAT, THAT WAS DONE AT LEAST I FAUX IT WORKS FOR ME IN BASED ON WHAT I SEE. IS THAT IT WORKED FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION WHEN PEOPLE WORK.

AS EARLY AS 4:30 I DON'T THINK IS APPROPRIATE.

PEOPLE DON'T GET OFF WORK UNTIL ABOUT 5:00 OR 5:30 GIVE THEM 5:30. BUT 4:30, AGAIN, THAT'S GO INFRINGE UPON THE PEOPLE THAT WORK.

HAVING AN EARLY MEETING LIKE THAT.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO STAY AWAY FROM.

THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE MY WHOLE ENTIRE LIFETIME.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING. SOME CHANGE IS NOT THE BEST CHANGE. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S DONE FOR THE PURPOSE TO SERVE THOSE THAT IT WAS CREATED FOR.

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN COMING HERE EARLY BEFORE WORK HOURS ON A REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING. AGAIN I MAY GET VOTED OUT.

I'M NOT GOING TO SIT AS PROPONENT FOR PUBLIC AND SAY I WANT TO SET MEETING BEFORE THE AVERAGE PERSON GETS OFF OF WORK.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS.

THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS SET UP. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING AWAY WITH THAT. WE SAY WE WANT TO ADD ANOTHER MEETING. IF NECESSITY TO DO SO.

SO BE IT. I PREFER THAT WE COME IN HERE.

THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY NIGHTS WE'RE IN HERE THAT LATE.

ESPECIALLY ONCE WE GET BACK TO NORMAL.

AS A MATTER OF FACT WE HAVE A HAPPENED ON IT IN OUR CITY MANAGER. THAT'S WHY WE DID THIS CONFERENCE AGENDA. SO THAT WE COULD DEAL WITH THE ISSUES THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF TIME AND NOT NECESSARILY VOTING ON THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF CREATING THIS CONFERENCE AGENDA MEETING. AND OUR MEETING BELIEVE IT OR NOT WE WERE GETTING OUT OF HERE VERY EARLY.

ON THE AVERAGE WE WERE OUT OF HERE BEFORE 9:00 OR 9:30 AT THE LATE. .

IT'S A RESULT OF WHAT'S GOING ON WITH PAN DEMIC.

I THINK WE'RE MOVING TOO FAST HERE.

WHAT'S GOING ON NOW MANDATES THAT WE SPEND A LOT MORE TIME IN HERE. IT'S CIRCUMSTANCE.

ONCE THING ARE BACK TO NORMAL. WE WILL SEE WHAT WE TRYING TO ESTABLISH HERE. THAT'S GETTING OUT OF HERE IN REASONABLE TIME. TO RESPOND NOW IS PREMATURE.

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SPREADING OUT THE MEETINGS, I'M KIND OF LIKE THE JUDGES IN THE 19TH CIRCUIT. THEY WANT TO GET IT OVER WITH.

EL COME IN HERE. I DON'T WANT STAY IN COURTROOM.

EVERY DAY WE HAVE TO COME FOR MEETING.

I LOVE YOU ALL. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. WITH THAT BEING SAID.

I WOULD LIKE TO JUST COME IN HERE.

HANDLE BUSINESS. IF SOME MEETING WE HAVE TO STAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER THAN NORMAL THEN SO BE IT.

I WOULD RATHER DO SOMETHING IN ONE MEETING THAT IT TAKES US COMING IN HERE THREE DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK WHERE WE SPREAD IT OUT AND WE GOT TO COME IN HERE ON A CONSTANT BASIS.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. THAT'S A SACRIFICE I'M WILLING TO MAKE. I SIGN UP FOR THIS.

I IF IT TAKE AWAY FROM ME PERSONALLY.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. I SIGNED UP FOR IT.

I WAS ELECTED FOR IT. SO I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN REINVENTING THE WHEEL TO MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR ME.

BECAUSE THE PUBLIC THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE SERVED WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO LETTING THEM HAVE ACCESS TO MEETINGS.

I DON'T EVEN LIKE THE IDEA. BUT I WANT ALONG WITH THE CONFERENCE AGENDAS. BECAUSE WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS THAT APPEARS THAT CERTAIN ISSUES THAT ARE IMPACTING THE PUBLIC IS SEEMS LIKE WE'RE HAVING THEM HIT IN THE CONFERENCE AGENDAS.

POPLE CAN'T COME IN AND PARTICIPATE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WORKING. WHAT THE MOTIVE IS.

I DO KNOW THE END RESULT. THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

IT'S ONE THING FOR US TO DISCUSS AN ISSUE THAT'S NOT THAT SIGNIFICANT. THAT THE PUBLIC IS NOT IMPACTED BY ON CONFERENCE AGENDA. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

MAJOR ISSUES THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON PEOPLE IT REQUIRES US TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE WE SERVE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR INPUT AND WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON THAT.

THAT'S JUST MY OUTLOOK ON HOW I THINK THINGS SHOULD BE IN TERMS OF THE MEETING. I THINK WE'RE MOVING THAT FAST.

I THINK THINGS WILL CAM DOWN. WE ALREADY PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE. THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO DO THIS CONFERENCE AGENDA. BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO TONE DOWN THE MEETING. WE WILL NOT BE IN HERE THAT LONG. THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT.

HAVING A MEETING EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO GO IN HERE.

I SPEND ALL NIGHT WITH YOU IF I HAVE TO.

WHEN I LEE HERE I DON'T WANT COME BACK AND FORTH.

AND A LOT OF TIME BELIEVE IT OR -- THAT'S THE REASON THEY JUDGE DOES THAT. THEY DON'T LIKE INTERRUPTION.

YOU YOU WILL SIDE BAR THIS ISSUE AND TAKE TO ANOTHER DAY.

YOU CAN'T PUT YOUR TIME AND EFFORT INTO THE ISSUE BECAUSE YOU SPREAD IT OUT. AND YOU CAN'T REASONABLY YOU CAN'T GIVE THE ISSUE THE DUE DEFERENCE YOU NEEDED.

HOWEVER IF WE JUST DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.

WE COME IN HERE. IF TAKES US BEING HERE LONGER.

THEN NORMAL. I WOULD RATHER DEAL WITH IT TOGETHER AND BE THROUGH WITHIT. IT'S NOT CONVENIENT FOR EVERYBODY TO COME IN HERE DURING HOURS.

EVERYBODY IS NOT RETIRED. A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK FOR A LIVING. PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIRED HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY. THEY CAN COMED A NIGHT AND DURING THE DAY. THE PERSON THAT WORKS.

AND AGAIN LIKE I TOLD YOU. IT WORKS FOR ME.

BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

AT THE END OF THE DAY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THEM WHAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IN TERMS OF THEIR RIGHT TO EXERCISE THEIR RIGHT OF THE DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM AND THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND COME IN HERE AND VOICE THEIR OPINIONS. AND IF IT MEANS ME MAKING A SACRIFICE BEING UP IN HERE LONG PERIODS OF TIME, THAT'S WHAT I SIGNED UP AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEAR FOR.

>> WE HAVE TO BACK TO BASIC. REASON WE HAVE CITY COMMISSION MEET FIVE PEOPLE FOR US. WE INVITE THE PUBLIC TO PARTICIPATE WE WANT THE PUBLIC HERE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

TOP PRIORITY LEADER AND DECISION MAKER.

THIS OUR BUSINESS MEETING. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH IT. I UNDERSTAND THE WORKING PUBLIC OUT THERE. IF IT'S AN ISSUE THAT THEY NEED TO BE HERE FOR THEY WILL NINED A WAY TO BE HERE.

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I'M JUST SAYING THAT I REALLY LIKE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S IDEA OF ONE 4:30 AND ONE 6:00 MEETING.

AS HE CORRECTLY PUT INTO POSITION AS THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDA, WE'RE PROBABLY AN HOUR AND A HALF SOMETIMES TWO HOURS BEFORE WE LETTER GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE MEETING. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S ALWAYS A GUARANTEE. BUT IT ACTUALLY GIVES US -- GIVES US A WAY TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE NOT ONLY THE WORKING FOLKS BUT THOSE PEOPLE AS THE MAYOR SAID THAT ELDER I WILL THAT MAY NOT WANT TO BE OUT PAST 8:00 AT NIGHT.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS US AND HOW WE -- HOW WE OPERATE FOR THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY.

IT IS OUR MEETING. WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING. THAT WOULD BE KEEPING MOST OF THE PUBLIC OUT. I JUST THINK IT NEEDS TO BE DURING SOME TIME DURING THE DAY WHERE WE CAN BE EFFECTIVE AND ACCOMMODATE MOST OF THE ISSUE THAT ARE GOING ON.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF 4:30 AND 6:00 MEETING.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONE-THIRD MEETING THAT IS SCHEDULED THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE.

BUT IT'S PARLIAMENT OF OUR REGULAR MONTHLY SCHEDULE.

>> CAN I SAY THIS, MA'AM. >> I TEND TO DISAGREE WHEN YOU SAY IT'S ABOUT US AND OUR MEETING.

AS A MATTER OF FACT THE CLERK WOULD TELL YOU THAT IT'S MANDATED BY LAW THAT THE FIRST PRIORITY IS TO PUT THE PUBLIC ABOUT ANY BUSINESS THAT GOES ON IN THIS BUILDING.

IT'S NOT FOR US. IT'S NOT ABOUT US.

AS A MATTER OF FACT THE LEGISLATORS HAVE IMPLEMENTED LAWS THAT WILL GET HER IN TROUBLE AND YOU AND IF WE DON'T GIVE THE PUBLIC AMPLE NOTICE ABOUT THE MEETING.

WITH THAT BEING SAID. I TEND TO DISAGREE WITH YOU.

IT'S NOT ABOUT US. IT'S ABOUT THE PUBLIC.

IT'S ABILITY THEM BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED THREE LIFETIMES BEFORE I WAS.

AND MAYBE TWO IN YOUR CASE OR THREE, TWO.

AGAIN, THESE THINGS WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON.

AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT'S ABOUT US AND THE FIVE OF US.

BECAUSE PRIORITY IS GIVEN THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO HAVE NOTICE ABOUT ANY BUSINESS THAT GOES ON. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID IF WE'RE GOING TO START HAVING MEETINGS, THAT THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO PARTICIPATE THEN THAT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK GOOD FOR YOU AND I BECAUSE IT APPEARS WE HAVE A HIDDEN AGENDA.

AND I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WAS AGAINST THIS CONFERENCE AGENDA.

BUT FOR THE SAKE OF TIME, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE COULD MAKE OUR MEETING A LITTLE BIT LESS ALTERNATE NIGHT.

I WANT ALONG WITH THAT. I DON'T HAVE NO HIDDEN AGENDA UP HERE. EVERYTHING I DO AND SAY I WANT THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO COME IN HERE AND VOICE THEIR OPINIONS AND TELL ME LOOK, WHAT YOU SAY ON'T MAKE SENSE. I FEEL I SHOULD BE ANOTHER WAY. IT'S IMPACTING ME.

I NEED TO HEAR THAT. I DISAGREE WITH YOU, SIR ON THAT. IT'S NOT ABOUT ME.

AND WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT YOU THAT'S YOU.

IT'S NOT ABOUT ME IT COMES TO MEETING.

FIRST PRIORITY IS MAKE SURE THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD AND VOICE THEIR OPINION ABOUT THE DECISIONS THAT YOU AND I MAKE. BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT ME.

>> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, AGAIN. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT NOT INCLUDING AND NOT INCLUDING THE CITIZEN.

I'M TALKING ABOUT OUR MEETING TIMES.

I ASSUME THAT WE WILL -- I INSIST WE NOTIFY THE PUBLIC THAT WE HAVE THE MEETING AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN.

BUT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYTHING JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN ALL THE TIME WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A REASONABLE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO DO THE CITY'S BUSINESS AND THIS IS REASONABLE PLAN. I HEARD WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID. I THINK THAT'S HAS A LOT OF MERIT. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT CHANGE.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT CHANGE. AND ADD THE THIRD MEETING OF THE MONTH THAT CAN BE CANCELLED IF WE DON'T NEED IT.

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY. MY MEMORY WHEN THE CONFERENCE AGENDA STARTED AND I THINK WAS PRE-MR. MIMMS.

>> MADAM CONFERENCE AGENDA GOT CREATED UP NOSH THE TIME AND INSIST WE START HAVING MONTHLY WORKSHOP.

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AFTER THAT BECAUSE WE WERE EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSION SESSION WOULDING TAKE A LOT AWAY OF DELIBERATION AND INFORMATION STAGE OF A CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND HOPES OF BEING ABLE TO CON AGAINST TO CONDENSE THAT. THAT HAPPENED AT THAT TIME.

FROM THAT MOMENT ON IT WAS IN 2010 THAT THEY.

>> AND MY POINT WAS GOING TO BE WAS DELIBERATE THAT WE WEREN'T

GOING TO TAKE ANY VOTES. >> RIGHT.

>> AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SUBJECTS AND NOT TAKE A VOTE.

AND THAT WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION I THINK YOUR CONCERN COMMISSIONER SESSIONS THAT THE PUBLIC WASN'T EASY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME TO A -- EASY AS MAYBE TO AN EVENING.

AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO REMEMBER WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SATISFY EVERY SINGLE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAS ALL HAVE DIFFERENT SCHEDULES AND DIFFERENT REASONS FOR BEING WHERE THEY ARE. AND SO BUT THE CONFERENCE AGENDA WAS I THOUGHT DELIBERATELY SET TO BE A MONDAY ON A MONDAY BUT ON MORNING WHERE WE COULD DISCUSS ISSUES.

BUT NOT TAKE VOTES SO YOU WOULDN'T BE REQUIRED TO HAVE PUBLIC INPUT. AND THEN THAT WHATEVER YOU TALKED ABOUT MAY OR MAY NOT GO FORWARD IN AN ORDINANCE.

AND THAT ORDINANCE WOULD BE DISCUSSED INNEN THING AND THE PUBLIC WOULD BE ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THAT.

I KIND OF LIKE THE CONFERENCE AGENDA.

BECAUSE IT DOES GIVE US THIS LUXURY OF KIND OF FLUSHING SOMETHING OUT AND FINDING OUT HOW EVERYBODY FEELS BUT NO VOTES VERY TAKEN. I DON'T MIND MEETING EARLIER IN

ON TWO -- EVENING NIGHTS. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY I RECALL ABOUT THIS.

BECAUSE OF THE SUNSHINE LAW THAT DIDN'T ALLOW COMMISSIONERS TO LEE. TALK WITHOUT COMMITTING A CRIME.

IF WE CAN TALK WITH EACH OTHER OPENLY IT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE IN OUR REGULAR MEETINGS. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE COULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT. WE THE TALK ABOUT ITEM WE GIVE CONSENSUS ITEM THAT HAVE ON THE AGENDA.

NOT THAT WE MAKE A DECISION. WE ARE ABLE TO DISCUSS IT.

AND I DO THINK THAT, THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA THEN AND I THINK IT'S 2010 COMMISSION,BOY WE'RE GETTING OLD.

>> THAT'S A LONG TIME TO HAVE THAT MEETING.

THEY DID NOT REQUIRE. THEY DIDN'T TRY TO ATTEMPT IT.

AGAIN, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN YOU UNDERSTAND ME LIKE I WE ALWAYS PICK THINGS SERIOUSLY. AND WE TAKE IT TO MIND.

AND WE SOMETIMES GO HOME AND GO TO SLEEP ON IT.

I I THAT'S A GOOD THING. THAT'S CARRYING PEOPLE ABOUT THEIR OWN CITY. I JUST DISAGREE SOMETIMES WITH INDIVIDUAL TAKING SIDES. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO TAKE MY SIDE. I'M THERE TO COME TO CONSENSUS AND DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY AND OUR COMMITTEE.

>> MR. SWEENEY. JUST VERY BRIEF LEGAL POINT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT POLICY BUT THERE'S SOME UNDERLYING LEGAL IMPLICATION.

I WANT TO SAY ALEXANDER REFERRED TO AS YOU.

SUNSHINE LAW REQUIRES THE PUBLIC HAVE ABILITY TO INPUT PRIOR TO FINAL DECISION BEING MADE. THAT'S WHY WHEN WE HAVE REGULAR AGENDA IF IT'S ITEM THAT NOT HEARING ITEM BUT IS A DECISION ITEM THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT PROPOSED CONTRACT ON CONCURRENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT IT.

THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN BEFORE IT DECISION IS MADE. OF COURSE DURING THE QUASI

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JUDICIAL OR LEGISLATIVE HEARING PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S WHEN THEY SPEAK. AND WE PROVIDE EVEN MORE ABILITY THAN THAT WE PROVIDE A WHAT I CALL OPEN FORUM PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE END. SO AS LONG AS THAT'S HAPPEN AT THE REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING THE SUNSHINE LAW WILL BE PROTECTED. BUT TO BUTRESS THAT I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE A 1 1/2. I'VE SEEN PRESENTATION MADE BY A COMMITTEE. I REMEMBER PARKS COMMITTEE PRESENTATION MADE DURING A CONFERENCE AGENDA ON THE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ITEM WHERE THE PUBLIC STILL CAME IN AND PARTICIPATED AND STILL WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME PARTICIPATE WHEN THE ULTIMATE ORDINANCE WAS COMING UP.

BECAUSEN THOUGH THEY TALKED HERE THIS THERE'S CONSENSUS AND DISCUSSION. THEY STILL HAD THE RIGHT TO COME BACK TO REGULAR MEETING AND MAKE THAT DECISION.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THAT WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN.

AND I'M SURE CONSISTENT WITH THE CLERK AND THE CITY MANAGER WE WILL MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK BEFORE FINAL AGENDA ITEM HAPPENS WHATEVER IT IS.

SEPARATELY SOMETHING AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON COMMISSION JOHNSON MENTIONED SOME OF THIS IS SET IN OUR ORDINANCES ALREADY. OUR CHARTER DOESN'T SAY WHEN WE HAVE TO HAVE MEETING. OUR ORDINANCE WHICH IS ALL UNDER SECTION 2. WHICH IS CITY COMMISSION DIVISION 2 SECTION 2-27 WHICH PEROA PUT IN BACK UP MATERIAL.

DOESN'T SAY IT HAS TO BE THE FIRST AND THIRD OR SECOND.

IT DID PREVIOUSLY. THE ORDINANCES AMENDED IN 2018.

IF THE FIRST ORDINANCE PASSED IN 2018 THAT TOOK THAT LANGUAGE OUT AND GAVE FLEXIBILITY. I WANT TO BE CLEAR LEGALLY.

TWO MEETINGS. WE HAVE VERY SPECIFIC PROCEDURE ON 2-29 ON HOW MEETING ARE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

THERE'S A SECTION A TALKS ABOUT ORDER OF BUSINESS AND THAT'S WHY WE FOLLOW A ROLL CALL AND APATROL OF -- APPROVAL OF MINUTE. TO EXTENT THAT CHEAT SHEET IS CORRECT AND I'LL GO BACK AND DOUBLE CHECK IT.

I WILL. >> THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

REQUEST FOR PLACEMENT ON THE AGENDA.

GIVES THE TIME FRAME OF HOW THINGS GET ON TO THE ALLEGED.

AND HOW IT WORKS THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.

AND FOUR, WHICH IS D. THE AGENDA.

I WANT TO BRING THIS UP. ALL REPORTS COMMUNICATIONS, ORDINANCES, RESOLUTIONS, CONTRACTS, DOCUMENTS OR OTHER MATERIALS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSION SHALL NO LATER THAN TWELVE NOON ON WEDNESDAY PRIOR TO EACH MEETING BE DELIVERED TO THE CITY CLERK. WHO SHALL ARRANGE THEM AND PROVIDE THEM. THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS THAT'S AN OR FANS. ORDINANCE.

THAT MEANS ANYBODY. DOESN'T SPECIFY ANYONE DIFFERENT HAS UP UNTIL THAT 5:00 -- NOON CUT OFF ON WEDNESDAY FIVE DAYS BEFORE A MEETING.PIF THERE WERE YOU COULD CREATE A POLICY THAT WE MOVE IT BACK. I KNOW MR. MIMMS WANTS TO PROVIDE EARLIER. IT'S AN ORDINANCE.

IF WE WANT TO CHANGE TEN DAYS PRIOR.

TWO WEEKS PRIOR. THAT WILL REQUIRE ORDINANCE CHANGE. I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY LABORING UNDER THE FACT THAT OKAY. WE WILL FOLLOW THIS POLICY.

BECAUSE WE KNOW IF IT'S NOT REDUCED WRITING, SOMETIME GET LOST. JUST BE CLEAR.

IF -- IF THIS COMMISSION THIS IS YOUR CONSENSUS MEETING.

IF YOU WANTED IT 15 DAYS BEFORE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU MR. MIMMS. DOES THAT HAPPEN?

>> FIVE DAYS BEFORE? >> DOCUMENTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TWELVE NOON RESCUE PRIOR TO EACH MEETING?

>> THAT'S WHY YOU PUBLISH WEDNESDAY.

>> TYPICALLY, I WOULD SAY YES. WHEN YOU SAY DOCUMENTS.

I WOULD SAY REQUESTS FOR AGENDA ITEMS AND DOCUMENTS, YES.

>> TYPICALLY. >> IF A COMMISSIONER ASKED FOR SOMETHING THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR DOCUMENTS IN ON WEDNESDAY.

>> IF THE COMMISSIONER ASKED ME TO PLACE AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA I

PLACE THE ITEM ON THE ALLEGED. >> THEY NEED TO HAVE DOCUMENTS

IN. >> I DO WHAT --

>> YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN. >> ALL RIGHT.

I DO WHAT I AM TOLD. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> THAT WHY I LIKE THESE KIND OF DECISION.

WE DON'T VIOLATE THE SUNSHINE LAW AND WE CAN GO BACK AND FORTH AND TALK ABOUT THINGS. WHEN YOU SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WE CAN'T ADDRESS EVERYBODY.

I THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WORK FROM 9:00 TO 5:00. BY THE TIME THEY CAN GET HERE

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IT'S ABOUT 5:30. NOW THAT'S FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CONSTITUENTS. HOWEVER, WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ELECTORAL PROCESS? THAT WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE? A LOT OF PEOPLE WORK FROM 9:00 TO 5:00. BY IMPLEMENTING A POLICY THAT PUTS SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT WOULD INFRINGE UPON PEOPLE THAT WORK NORMALLY THEN THEY CAN'T EVEN PARTICIPATE IN ELECTORAL PROCESS AND BE A PART OF THIS LIKE YOU AND I CAN.

I DON'T LIKE GETTING INTO AREAS WHERE WE START TO ELIMINATE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THIS POSITION.

FOR MOOR CONVENIENTLY. I RUN MY OWN BUSINESS.

LET'S SAY SOMEONE A SCHOOL TEACHER SOMEONE THAT WORKS FROM 9:00 TO 5:00 AGAIN I THINK WE AGREE MOST PEOPLE WORK.

HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR NAME ON THE BALLOT TO RUN FOR A POSITION TO RUN FOR ME AND ANY OF THESE POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ELIMINATED BY WAY OF THIS POLICY PUT IN PLACE WHERE IT'S INFRINGING UPON PEOPLE THAT WORK FROM 9:00 TO 5:00. AGAIN, I DON'T YOU KNOW ALL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. END OF THE DAY PUBLIC IS WATCHING US AND I DON'T HAVE NO HIDDEN AGENDA.

I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO REGISTER AND QUALITY RUN AND HAVE A JOB IF THEY WANT. I WANT THEM TO BE RETIRED IF THEY WANT. I WANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE A LOT OF PEOPLE WELL COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO BE AT MEETING NOW. THEY JUST CHANGED IT.

AT 4:30. WAIT A MINUTE.

I HAVE A JOB. GUESS WHAT.

YOU WON'T BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. >> I'M NOT GOING TO PLACE MYSELF IN THAT POSITION. ELIMINATE ALL DISCREDIT ANYONE FROM BEING PART OF THIS PROCESS IF THEY WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE.

I DO BELIEVE, AGAIN, THAT WE ALL CAN AGREE ON THAT MOST PEOPLE DO WORK FROM 8:00 THAT 5:00. 9:00 TO 5:00.

OR WHATEVER 8:00 TO 4:00. ON THE AVERAGE MOST PEOPLE GET OFF ABOUT 5:00. BY THE TIME THEY CAN GET HERE.

THAT'S WHY I KEEP TELLING YOU ALL.

THESE RULES THESE THINGS WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON.

NOW WE CAN COME HERE AND WE ORCHESTRATE AT OUR OWN C CONVENIENCE. IT'S THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC AND LET THEM HAVE ACTEST TO NOT ONLY BEING PARTICIPATE FROM CONSTITUENT STANDPOINT BUT BE A PART OF ELECT TORAL PROCES.

I DON'T THINK NO ONE WILL COME HERE FOR THESE FEW DOLLARS TO RUN FOR CITY COMMISSIONER. I DON'T THINK SO.

THAT'S IT FOR ME. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH

STARTING AT 5:30. >>> HOURLY EARLIER.

WHAT DO YOU FEEL? >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> YOU WANT TO STICK 4:30. I LIKE THE 4:30 AND 6:00 OPTION.

I THINK GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF DIFFERENT.

THINK ABOUT THE OTHER NIGHT WHEN WE HAD LATE MEETING WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE WANTING TO SPEAK TO US AT THE OWNED OF THE MEETING WHICH IS WHEN WE ALLOW THE OPEN DIALOGUE TO COMMISSION.

>> NOT A BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S 11:30.

YOU KNOW BY STARTING THESE MEETING EARLIER THAN ALLOWS THAT PUBLIC TO HAVE INTERACTION AT A TIME WHEN THEY GENERALLY WOULDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY OR THEY WOULD HAVE SAID I GOT TO GO. I HAVE TO HANG IT UP.

I'M WAITING TOO LONG. >> ON THAT.

I AGREE WITH THAT. 4:30 YOU DON'T A TIME RESTRICTION ON IT. JUST DON'T.

IT'S NOT GOING TO GO UNTIL 11:00.

YOU KNOW IF YOU GO ON TO FIVE HOURS 5 AND A HALF HOUR.

YOU GET THE CITY'S BUSINESS DONE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK FOR IT.

IT'S THE 6:00 ONE THAT I WOULD PUT AN 11:00 CURFEW ON IT.

AND THAT'S WOULD GENERATE THE NEED FOR THE THIRD MEETING.

THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN THAT OFTEN. BUT THERE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE BUSINESS FOR THE FIRST MEETING LET'S SAY IT'S AT 4:30. AND IT JUST GOES ON AND ON AND ON. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU HAVE THE NEXT MEETING AT 6:00 IN THE EVENING.

THAT WOULD GO TO 11:00. THERE YOU GOT ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF

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TIME. IT'S STILL DURING WAKING HOUR.

AND I THINK IT'S ACCOMMODATES NOT ONLY THE WORKING PEOPLE BUT THE PEOPLE WHO YOU KNOW MAY HAVE THAT WORK AT NIGHT.

IT'S HARD TO HAVE THE PERFECT TIME WHERE EVERYBODY CAN GO.

THIS ACCOMMODATES BOTH. I AGREE WITH THAT.

AND I WOULD PUT A TIME RESTRICTION TO 11:00 ON THIS

6:00. >> ON THE 4:30 DO YOU THINK THE PUBLIC WANTS TO BE HEARD ON AGENDA ITEMS, THEY CAN GET THERE IN TIME FOR THAT 4:30 MEETING START?

>> HAVE YOU THOUGHT THAT THROUGH?

>> IN THE EARLIER PUBLIC COMMENT.

>> YEAH. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND I'M I COME FROM PERSPECTIVE OF CURRENTLY I WORK FOR A LOCAL GOVERNING BODY THAT HAS MEETING AT 9:00 IN THE MEETING.

IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THEY WOULD FEEL DIFFERENTLY.

I WOULD FEEL LIKE, OH, WE THAT'S TOUGHER.

AND THAT MEETING HAS A DIFFERENT ATMOSPHERE WITHIN IT.

BECAUSE FOLKS -- THEY STILL COME.

THEY MAKE IT HAPPEN. THEY COME TO THAT 9:00 MEETING.

BECAUSE THEY ARE INTERESTED. BUT I WOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSONAL FEELING TOWARD THAT BECAUSE I THINK ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE WORKING AND I THIS ABOUT THE FOLK TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY WILL DO WITH YOU KNOW BABY-SITTING SERVICES.

YOU KNOW SOMETIMES THE DAY CARES AND WHAT NOT THEY STAY OPEN UNTIL 6:00 P.M. THAT ALLOWS THEM TO COME AND MAKE A COMMENT THEN THEY GO PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN.

AND MOVE ALONG. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS DISSUADES THE FOLKS AS MENTION FROM RUNNING FORS OF.

IT MIGHT. WHEN THEY RUN FOR OFFICE, YOU KNOW USUALLY THERE'S A DIFFERENT MENTALITY.

THERE'S THOUGHT AND PROCESSES WITH EMPLOYMENT AND PROCEDURE.

BECAUSE THIS IS PART-TIME. IT'S LITERALLY FULL-TIME, PART-TIME JOB. SO YOU SET UP YOUR SCHEDULES TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. I JUST I DID THINK ABOUT THAT.

MAYOR TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IT'S A LONG ANSWER.

BUT THE MORE I THOUGHT THROUGH IT THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE TWO MEETINGS AND YOU ALLOW THAT FLEXIBILITY.

AND IT JUST CHANGES THE DYNAMICS OF THE WHAT WE'RE DOING.

AND OTHER THING WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

AND WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. IT HAS TO BE FLEXIBLE.

NOW I LOOK AT GENERATION OF KIDS YOUNG ADULTS THAT THEY WILL WATCH IT ONLINE OR SUBMIT SOMETHING ONLINE.

AND THEY ARE LIKE WHY WOULD I COME THERE.

NOW WE HAVE COVID-19. WE'VE EVEN INCREASED THAT OPPORTUNITY TEN FOLD. BECAUSE OF THAT.

BECAUSE NOW WE'RE DOING IT VIA ELECTRONIC TECHNOLOGY AND I THINK THAT THE CITY IS READY FOR THAT.

AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK OUT. WE'LL CHANGE IT.

ORDINANCE. THE CHARTER SAY TWO MEETINGS A MONTHS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE. TWO MEETINGS A MONTH.

TWO MEETINGS. I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE.

AND IF WE DON'T LIKE IT. IT'S NOT WORKING WE WILL HEAR FROM IT FROM EDGE TOS WE WILL HEAR FROM EACH OTHER AND WE SEE

IF WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. >> YOU SAY THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING THEIR MEETING AT 9:00 IN THE MORNING.

>> ONE OF TWO. AGAIN, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE EL ELECTORAL.

THEY MAKE MORE THAN WHAT WE MAKE UP HERE.

>> THEY MAKE 84,000 A YEAR. >> TO COMPARE THEM WITH US IN TERMS OF AGAIN, ELIMINATING PEOPLE THAT WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS, THE WORKING CLASS PEOPLE THERE'S NO COMPARISON. BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE I SEE WHY THEY MADE THE DECISION THAT THEY DID TO MAKE IT 9, 1:00, K, WHAT EVER IT. THEY EARN A FULL-TIME SALARY.

UNLIKE AS YOU POINTED OUT HERE. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DO FOR THE LOVE OF DOING IT. BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT SALARY THAT'S FOR SURE. I JUST FEEL NOT ONLY AGAIN AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING TO JUSTIFY WHAT DIFFERENCE IS IT 30 MINUTES. 45 MINUTES OF AN HOUR.

YOU SAY 4:30. I SAY 5:30.

MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WORK UNTIL 5:00.

THE POINT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE HERE.

DO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF PEOPLE.

I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT MUCH OF DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IMPACTS IT COULD HAVE SOME IMPACT ON THIS THEM.

THAT'S WHY I WILL NOT PROLONG TO KEEP TO KEEP THEM TALKING ABOUT.

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RIGHT NOW WE TALK ABOUT STUFF THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

BE A PART OF THIS PROCESS. IT JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE.

BUT, AGAIN I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY HAVE MEETING IN THE MIDDLE OF DAY.

THEY CAN AFFORD TO. THOSE FULL-TIME JOBS FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS. IF IT'S NOT A FULL-TIME JOB THEY EARN FULL-TIME SALARY. HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU KNOW MAKE 84,000 A YEAR. SO THEY CAN AFFORD FIVE OR SIX TIMES A DAY AND MAKE IT CONVENIENT FOR THEM.

IT'S ABOUT MAKING IT CONVENIENT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT I SERVE.

>>. >> MR. ALEXANDER DO YOU HAVE

ANYTHING TO SAY? >> LET'S WRAP THIS UP.

WHERE ARE WE GOING? >> WE LOOK FOR A CONSENSUS.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A LOT OF MOVEMENT UP HERE.

I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER SESSIONS ONE OTHER POINT TOO IF YOU RUN FOR OFFICE AND YOU WORRIED ABOUT THE TWO COMMISSION MEETING. THERE'S A HECK OF LOT OF COMMITTEE MEETING THAT WE GO TO AND NONE OF THEM THAT I GO TO MEET AT NIGHT. THEY ARE ALL DURING THE DAY AND THEY ARE ALL ININCONVENIENTLY PLACED SOMEWHERE IN MY WEEK.

OR IN PORT SAINT LUSZ LUCEY. TO SAY THIS IS THE FACT THAT I THINK WILL HELP US. AGAIN I LIKE THE 4:30 MEETING WITH NO TIME RESTRAINTS. GIVES CHANCE MARATHON MEETING.

GET ALL THE BUSINESS DONE. SECOND MEETING AGAIN CAN BE 6:00 AND THEN HAS FIVE-HOUR LIMIT ON IT.

I LIKE THAT IDEA. I THINK IT MAKES SENSE.

I DON'T THINK WE DON'T THINK WE KEEP ANYBODY OUT FROM WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN THE CITY BUSINESS. I THINK THAT ALL GREW OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

>> I'M ONE THAT WOULD SUPPORT IT.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> I THINK I SUGGESTED 4:00 AT SOME POINT.

>> I THOUGHT 4:30. THAT WORKS.

I WAS THINKING ABOUT. THE REASON I CAME UP WITH 4:00 BECAUSE OF STAFF. AND OPERATION OF BUILDING.ALSY - WHO IS NOT HERE. AND THEN FOLKS COMING TO WORK LEAVING WORK. TRYING TO GET BACK TRYING TO PREPARE THEIR AFTERNOON FOR COMMISSION MEETING AND OH MY GOODNESS. I DIDN'T HAVE LUNCH TODAY.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ON MY MIND TOO.

AND I DON'T EVER WANT TO FORGET THAT FOCUS.

IT'S ABOUT THE PUBLIC AND ABOUT STAFF AT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE.

>> IF WE DO TWO DIFFERENT TIME WE MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WHICH MEETING IS WHICH. IT'S VERY EASY TO GET THAT PICKED UP. AND ALSO WE HAVEN'T ASKED OUR CITY MANAGER. HOW THIS EFFECTS YOU CITY MANAGER. WE READY IMPLEMENT WHATEVER POLICY YOU DIRECT. WE ARE HERE.

WHETHER THE MEET STAGE ART 1:00, 2:00, 3:00, 4:00, 5:00 OR 6:00.

WE WILL BE READY TO HAVE THAT MEETING.

AND TO MOVE FORWARD. >> YES.

I KNEW YOU WOULD SAY THAT. >> ALL THE FOLKS WILL ADAPT.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, NOW WE CAN HEAR YOU.

>> I WANT TO INPUT ON THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSIDERATE OF THE PUBLIC. WHEN YOU FEEL THAT WORKS IN IT DOES THE PUBLIC WORKS 9:00 TO 5:00.

YOU ADD THEM RIGHT HERE.

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AND I GUESS CHANGE THE TIME TO 4:00 WHATEVER THEY GET THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

IT'S FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE SET ASIDE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT'S THE COMMISSIONER THAT HAVE TO ADAPT TO THE PUBLIC.

NOT THE PUBLIC ADAPTING TO US. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> THANK YOU. GLAD WE HEARD FROM YOU.

>> WE WILL TRY 4:30 AND 6:00 START.

IS THAT THE CONSENSUS? >> YES.

>> I WILL SAID THE RECORD I DON'T AGREE.

>> NOPE. >> I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT

EITHER. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. IT'S 3-2.

>> 3-2 MEANS NOTHING

>> 6:00 SHOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING OF THE MONTH.

IT'S CONSISTENT. EVERYONE KNOWS IT'S A FIRST MEETING. IT'S I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS MORE SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION.

BUT I AGREE WITH THE 6:00 FIRST, 4:30 SECOND MEETING OF THE

MONTH. >> YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGE TO 6:30

TO 6:00 TOO. >> THAT'S WHAT COMMISSIONER

PROPOSED, YES, SIR. >> YOU WILL CHANGE ONE TO 4:00.

BUT CHANGE FROM 6:30 TO 6:00. >> I HOPE YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE

HAPPY WITH YOU. >> THEY ARE, SIR.

>> I HOPE SO. BECAUSE I KNOW THEY ARE RETIRED.

MINE WORK FOR A LIVING. >> COMMISSONER PERONA.

>> AND ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THE 6:00 MEETING TO HAVE A FIVE-HOUR

DEADLINE? >> DO YOU CARE OR NOT? YOU WANT THE TRY WITHOUT AND SEE IF WE NEED IT.

I DON'T CARE. >> I'M NOT -- I A GRIEVE SESSION IF IT'S GOT ONE ITEM TO GO AND WE CAN GET IT DONE LET'S GET IT DONE. AT LEAST WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH IT. WE'RE MOVE THIS BACK HALF HOUR WHICH WILL GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

>> I AGREE. >> ALL RIGHT.

OTHER DISCUSSION. YOU TALK ABOUT THE DEADLINE.

THE HARD DEADLINE. THAT WOULD TRIGGER THE CONTINUED

MEETING. >> ARE YOU NOT CONSIDERING.

>> WE DIDN'T PUT ONE IN. >> OKAY.

YOU ARE NOT CONSIDERING THE THIRD MEETING.

I WOULD CONSIDER THE THIRD MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW IF I GET CONSENSUS TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.

BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES MUCH LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT HERE WITH A QUASI JUDICIAL ISSUE TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN OUT THE BACKLOG WE HAVE AND MOVE FORWARD. THEY CAN CANCEL THEM.

IT JUST CAN BE A CONSTANT CANCEL.

>> FOURTH OR -- THERE'S A FIFTH SOMETIMES FIFTH MONDAY OF THE

MONTH. >> WE COULD LAST MONDAY OF THE

MONTH. >> COMMISSIONER.

I AGREE WITH THAT. >> YES.

LAST MONDAY OF THE MONTH. >> MR. JOHNSON.

>> THANK YOU. THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION NEXT CITY COMMISSION SHALL BE ON SUCH AND SUCH A DAY.

DO WE INCLUDE THAT AT THE END OF THE AGENDA.

IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO THAT THEN YOU HAVE TWO I KNOW THERE'S OTHER NOTIFICATION PARAMETERS HAVE TO FOLLOW.

THE NEXT MEETING IS SCHEDULED AT AND COULD BE SUMMER REVIEW AT

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THE END OF THE PUBLISHED AGENDA THAT SPECIFIES THAT AND COULD ALSO SAY AT THE END OF THE MONTH THE LAST MONDAY OF THE MONTH.

THERE MAY BE A MEETING RESERVED FOR CONTINUIANSES OR WHATEVER.

IT DOESN'T PROBABLY SATISFY THE LAW BUT AT LEAST ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO SEE IT AS A PUBLISHED ITEM.

>> MADAM MAYOR. >> SHE STILL CLERK STILL HAS TO MEET THE APPROPRIATE ADVERTISING TIME FRAMES AND ALL THAT.

IT'S MORE DISCLOSURE LIKE WE HAVE ON THESE.

>> JUST BE A COURTESY TO THE PUBLIC.

AND COURTESY THAT WOULD BE ALWAYS NOTIFIED.

>> CORRECT. >> ONE LAST QUESTION.

I JUST THOUGHT OF IT. IF WE WILL HAVE A THIRD MEETING, WHAT TIME IS THAT ONE GOING TO BE?

>> >> 6:00.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION. 6:00, 4:30.

6:00. >> IF IT'S PUBLISHED AS THE LAST MONDAY OF MONTH IS THAT WHAT WE DECIDED.

THAT WOULD BE THE MONDAY PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MONTH.

BACK-TO-BACK 6:00 MEETINGS. >> I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH NO 6:00. I WON'T BE A SUPPORTER OF THE THIRD MEETING IF YOU GOT. 500 YEARS YOU WILL CHANGE SOMETHING. YOU KNOW PEOPLE WALKING IN AS IT IS. AND 6:30.

IS TIME THIS TIME RESTRAINT. NOW YOU WANT TO PUT ANOTHER -- JUST NOT AGREEMENT WITH YOU.

>> I AGREE. I'M THE SAME WAY.

I DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH THE THIRD MEETING.

IF IT WILL DEVIATE FROM 6:30 SCHEDULE AND THROW MAJOR INCONVENIENCE ON THE PUBLIC AGAIN.

I WILL BE AGAIN IT TO. ON THE GENERAL CONCEPT OF DOING SOMETHING THIRD MEETING, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

THE CHANGE IN THE TIMES AND THE MEETINGS, AND THROWING CAVEAT TO BE PUBLIC BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROCESS I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF. AND 4:00, 4:30.

5:00, PEOPLE WORK. THEY GET OFF OF AVERAGE 5:00.

YOU CAN SAY YOU CAN SIT THERE AND WATCH ON TELEVISION.

SO BE IT. THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT COME BEFORE US THAT WANT VOICE THEIR OPINIONS AND BE ABLE TO SPEAK ABOUT ISSUES. THEY CAN'T DO THAT FROM HOME WATCHING TV. LIKE WE DO NOW.

THEY NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

AND I AM NOT GOING TO BE PART OF HIDDEN AGENDA THAT KEEP ANYTHING AWAY FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND GOOD WE TALK ABOUT THIS ON ITEM OF CONFERENCE AGENDA. YOUR CONSTITUENTS I KNOW MINES WILL BE IN HERE WHEN WE GET READY TO QUORUM THIS.

I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF FUSS.

I WILL LET PUBLIC TELL YOU HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.

>> OKAY. >> MR. JOHNSON.

>> JUST A FOLLOW UP. I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK AT THE OWNED OF THE MEETING.

AND THE LONGER THEY HAVE TO STAY HERE THAT MEANS IT IMPACTS THEIR MORNING THE NEXT DAY. NOW THEY ARE DRAGGING TAIL TRYING TO GET WORK. THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE BUT DON'T WANT TO WATCH US GO THROUGH ENTIRE MEETING 11:30.

IT'S A CHICKEN OR THE EGG. THAT'S WHERE I STAND.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> BRIEFLY TWO OTHER ISSUES ON THERE. ONE THE AS WE SPOKE THE CARTER MANDATES TWO MEETINGS A MONTH. SECTION 2-27.

THERE'S TIMES WHERE WE END UP IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, WHERE AND I DON'T THINK THE CHARTER PROVIDES FOR US AN EXCEPTION TO THE RULE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THAT DOESN'T EXIST. IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CHANGE OR EFFECT A CHANGE ON THIS? OR DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS EVERY MONTH NO

MATTER WHAT. >> THAT'S ORDINANCE.

>> MADAM CHAIR. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> YES. I'M ASKING TWO MEETINGS A MONTH.

WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER THE CONFERENCE AGENDA?

>>. THAT'S A MEETING NOT A REGULAR

COMMISSION MEETING. >> IT'S YOU KNOW WE ARE SIT IT'S

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A WORKSHOP. >> I GUESS WE CAN GIVE IT ANOTHER NAME FOR THE THIRD MEETING.

THERE'S ANOTHER NAME. I WILL JUST ASKING A QUESTION.

BECAUSE THE MEETING IS A MEETING.

>> OKAY. MR. SWEENEY WILL ANSWER.

>> I WILL DO THE BEST I CAN. THE SECTION 2-27 WHICH ORDINANCE IT DOES CITY COMMISSION MEET REGULARLY NOT LESS THAN TWICE EACH MONTH. THAT'S TEND OF IT PERIOD.

NOTHING ELSE. FOR EXAMPLE I BELIEVE THE COUNTY DIDN'T FORMALLY MEET FOR ALMOST A MONTH.

I MAY BE INCORRECT. BUT I BELIEVE SAINT LUSZ LUCEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MEETING. IN SITUATION, WE HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO MEET VIRTUALLY.

BUT LET'S ASSUME SOME OTHER CATASTROPHE AS THEY WERE ALLUDING TO HAPPENS. AND THE BUILDING BURNS TO THE GROUND. ARGUABLY WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO HAVE A MEETING SOMEWHERE REASONABLY CLOSE BY.

THERE'S SOME PROVISION THAT SAID IT COULD BE SOME OTHER LOCATION.

BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. IN CHAMBER COMMISSION, AT COMMISSION CHAMBERS AT AT LEAST TWICE A MONTH.

THERE'S NO WAY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE.

OBVIOUSLY. BUT I THINK THAT'S ORDINANCE.

IT'S STANDARD WE HAVE TO MEET. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE CONSENSUS TO TASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. LOOK AT THAT FIND OUT IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN HOOK IT TO MAYBE ANOTHER EMERGENCY SITUATION.

FROM THE MAYORAL PARTICIPATION. LOOK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF HURRICANE. WE CAN HAVE MEETING TO HAVE A MEETING. THERE'S TIMES YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SAY WE HAVEN'T WE HAVE AN OPTION NOT TO HAVE THE MEETING BECAUSE OF THIS. AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT ACCORDING TO OUR. I PUT IN IT THERE FOR THAT.

>> IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED IF YOU LOOK INTO IT.

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> I WOULD GO THROUGH ORDINANCE.

WE WOULD HAVE TWO READING. SIMPLY CLAUSE AT THE END.

UNLESS X. WHATEVER THAT IS.

AND I WILL PRESENT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR THAT LANGUAGE. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER ASKED FOR A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE THIRD MEETING SHOULD BE CALLED.

WHICH WOULD BE A COMMISSION MEETING.

>> COMMISSION MEETING. >> IT WOULD BE COMMISSION MEETING. AND I THINK ANYTHING UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW THAT MORE THAN TWO OF YOU PRESENT AT PROBLEMERLY NOTICED CALLED A MEETING UNDER THE SUNSHINE LAW.

YOU KNOW LANGUAGE. THIS IS AKIN TO WORKSHOP.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE ATTEND AKIN TO WORKSHOP.

>> STRATEGIC PLANNING. WE CALL THEM MEETINGS.

THEY ARE IN THE SUNSHINE MEETINGS.

BUT THE THIRD ONE WOULD BE APPROPRIATELY CALLED ALTERNATE CITY COMMISSION MEETING. AND I WILL DO SOME MORE RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT SOME OTHER PLACES CALL THERE'S TOO.

>> LET ME ASK ANOTHER THING TOO. AS WE IMPLEMENT THIS POLICY, AND WE GET READY TO START HAVING ALL THESE MEETINGS, PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THOSE ARE HALF TO ATTEND THESE MEETING.

WHEN YOU LOOK ADMIT A AUDIENCE, I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY WOULD NOT BE HERE UNLESS THEY WERE MANDATED BY THE CITY MANAGER.

WE GOT SOME SAFETY CONCERNS GOING ON HERE.

IT'S CALLED COVID-19 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

AND EVERY TIME WE SNEP THAT DOOR RIGHT HERE WE'RE TAKING A RISK UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. YOU ALL CAN SIT HERE AND DICTATE ALL THE POLICY YOU WANT. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN SUBJECTING PEOPLE TO HAVE TO COME UP IN HERE AND BE SUBJECTED TO WHAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO. I MADE A DECISION TO COME HERE.

THAT WAS MY DECISION. BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF MAKING OUR EMPLOYEES COME IN HERE UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES.

BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO THEM GUESS WHAT.

SO WE KEEP CREATING ALL THESE METINGS.

KEEP DOING IT. IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO HAUNT US. WE DON'T NEED THESE MEETING.

WE SHOULDN'T BE HERE OURSELVES. >> WE DON'T NEED TO SUBJECT

PEOPLE TO THAT. >> IT'S A RISK.

>> IT'S CALLED LIFE DEATH. AND PEOPLE ARE DYING.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT AS A RESULT OF SOMETHING CALLED COVID-19.

I'M NOT INTERESTING IN MAKING PEOPLE COME IN HERE.

ALL RIGHTY. >> OKAY.

ARE WE CLEAR ON THE MEETINGS? >> I HAVE AQUESTION.

>> JUST SO MY STAFF KNOWS. AS FAR AS CHANGING THE MEETING TIME AND DATES AND ALL THAT STUFF.

BY RESOLUTION? ORDINANCE?

>> I'M ASKING FOR THE CLERK. AND ATTORNEY THAT WAY NOW KNOW

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. >> MR. SWEENEY.

>> I MEAN, SIMPLE ANSWER NOT BIT ORDINANCE.

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NOT REQUIRED TO BE RESOLUTION. IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR, MOST OF THE DEPARTMENTS -- THE DIFFERENT BOARDS INCLUDING THIS BOARD HAVE ALREADY YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY DECEMBER SEE WHEN TENTATIVELY WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE DATE SCHEDULED BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING A FIRST AND THIRD RUBRIC. IF IT MAKES SENSE THEN IT PROBABLY WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE RESOLUTION STATING AS OF -- BECAUSE WHEN IS THIS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE?

>> AUGUST? SEPTEMBER?

>> THAT WE NEED A LITTLE BIT CONSENSUS ON THAT.

AND I THINK A RESOLUTION TO ESTABLISH THAT BECAUSE YOU WILL LIKELY MADAM CLERK HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHANGE THOSE DATES.

>> WE HAVE ADVERTISING. >> SIGNIFICANT ADVERTISING AS

WELL. >> RESOLUTION.

>> OKAY. >> I WILL WORK CLERK AND BRING

RESOLUTION >> JULY 20TH.

>> EFFECTIVE AUGUST. >> FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST.

>> FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST. >> AUGUST 3RD.

>> YOU HAVE TIME. >> AGAIN, REPEAT WHAT ARE WE

TALKING ABOUT? >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING

THE MEETING TIMES. >> I DON'T KNOW.

THIS IS NOT NECESSARY. I DON'T SEE THAT YOU KNOW, AGAIN

IT'S 3-2. >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEETING TIMES THE FIRST MEETING STARTING AT 6:00 P.M.

THE SECOND MEETING STARTING AT 4:30 P.M. OF THE MONTH.

AND IF NECESSARY A THIRD MEETING ON THE LAST MONDAY STARTING AT

6:00 P.M. >> IS THAT CORRECT?

>> JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT'S ON THE RECORD.

>> IF IT'S GOING TO BE DONE BY RESOLUTION.

I DON'T HAVE TO TIME AGAIN-DAY ADS PRIOR TO THE AUGUST 3RD

MEETING. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

WE HAVE TO TARGET AUGUST 17TH. >> THAT'S FINE.

>> THAT'S FINE. >> WANT TO DO IT LEGAL.

>> ALL RIGHT. SHALL WE MOVE ON.

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

ANY MEMBER OF PUBLIC WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. SEEING NO ONE.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

>> THIS IS TIME FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE

ON THEIR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. >> COMMISSIONER SKWANDER

ALEXANDER DO YOU HAVE A REPORT? >> I HAVE SAD REPORT ON -- THEY DID IT. THEY PLACED UPON THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE. THEY CHANGE -- THEY CAN CHANGE TO THE TRANSPORTATION OR COMPANIES FOR A COMPANY THAT HAS BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB FOR MANY YEARS.

FOR MANY YEARS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REASONS WERE.

I DON'T KNOW DAY CHOSE TO CHANCE THE TRANSPORTATION.

I DIDN'T AGREE WITH. IT DON'T AGREE WITH IT.

I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>> ALL RIGHTY. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER P R.E. -- PEROA. >> I'M REPORTING ON THE PARKING COMMITTEE. WE'RE WORKING WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY TO CREATE SOLUTIONS FOR JUROR OF DOWNTOWN THAT CAME TO OUR MEETINGS. WE ACTUALLY HAD A VERY GREAT DISCUSSION WITH THEM. AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH REASONABLES SO LUG RESOLUTION. IS THAT YOU COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? IF YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE

PARKING GAR AGE. >> NO.

THAT'S MY SUPERVISOR. WE CAN'T BE IN THE SAME MEETING PLACE. I'M ENCOURAGED THE RUMOR AND SUSPICION WILL GO AWAY. WE WILL COME UP WITH REASONABLE PLAN THAT WOULD I'M SURE THIS COMMISSION WOULD SUPPORT TO ALLOW THE JUROR TO HAPPEN AND ALL THE COURTHOUSE ACTIVITY.

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THE RETIREMENT BOARD WE HAD OUR ACAIR WALL OUR ACTUARIAL VALUATION. THE RETIREMENT PLAN COMPARED TO OTHERS LIKE US IN THE NATION WERE AT THE TOP.

THINGS ARE GOING VERY WELL WITH SMOOTHING.

WE RECEIVED 8.08% ON OUR INVESTMENT.

RETURN WHICH IS HIGHER THAN 7.75% ASSUMED RATE OF RETURN.

ALL THAT MEANS IS THAT IT'S FAVORABLE TO THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE AND IT'S SAVING TAX PAYERS A LOT OF MONEY.

BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF COMMUNITY PAYING BIG TIME INTO THE RETIREMENT PLAN. FINALLY.

INTERESTING ENOUGH AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANT US ALL TO BE CONSCIOUS OF. I ACTUALLY WAS IN A CONVERSATION WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT SELLING THE OLD OLD NUMBER 2 FIRE

STATION. >> THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT

AGAIN? >> THE FIRE DISTRICT DOESN'T BUILD A FIRE STATION UNLESS IT HAS MONEY.

THEY CAN'T FINANCE A STATION. I THINK THAT LOOK TO SALES A STOETS BE ASSETS TO ACCOMMODATE. TO ME IT HAS AN EFFECT BECAUSE THIS IS KIND OF OUR MAIN STREET OF FT. PIERCE TYPE OF THING.

IT'S A VERY ACTIVE AREA. WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE FIRE STATION, CAUSEWAY PARK. THE MUSEUM, THE AQUARIUM, OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM, AND CAUSEWAY COVE THAT'S A WHOLE AREA THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT BY DIFFERENT PARTICIPANTS THAT MAY CHANGE THE WAY THIS THE ALL ENDS UP DEVELOPED IN THE LONG-TERM.

WE NEED TO BE CONSCIOUS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

HOW IT WOULD EFFECT US AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL GET A LOT OF SAY IN THIS TOSTUFF. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONCERT WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS FOR THAT AREA.

MAYBE IF LINE WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WENT FORWARD.

THAT WAS -- IT'S NOT REALLY A REPORT.

JUST KIND OF GET YOU UP-TO-DATE ON THE THINGS I'M LOOKING AT AND

CONCERNED ABOUT. >>

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. AS FAR AS THE FIRE BOARD IS CONCERNED, IT'S PRETTY MUCH BUSINESS AS USUAL.

IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.

I GIVE MUCH CREDIT AND I'M ALSO ENCOURAGED TO ENCOURAGE OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS FIRST RESPONDENTS ON A LOT OF THE CALLS, THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

I'VE NOT HEARD ANYTHING BUT POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT THOSE FIREFIGHTERS OVER THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

I WAS ABLE TO HAVE A FULL DRIVE THIS PAST WEEKEND.

THE CITY WAS THERE. YOU WERE THERE MAYOR.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE THERE.

WE HAD THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE VOLUNTEERS OVER THERE.

THEY WERE THERE. AND WE WERE OUT THERE IN THE RAIN. AND WE JUST WORKED REAL HARD TO TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN PEOPLE'S LIVES AND SERVE IN THE PUBLIC AND WE SERVED ABOUT 560 PEOPLE WITH FOOD.

AND THING ABOUT IT WE STARTED AT 2:00.

WE DID IT FROM 2:00 TO 6:00. UNFORTUNATE WE GAVE OUT BEFORE 4:30. THERE WAS A LINE OF PEOPLE FROM THE OF D. NOT AT OF I ORMY.

BUT ALL THE WAY COMPLETELY ALMOST TO AVENUE Q.

A LINE OF PEOPLE WAITING. AND WHEN I SAW THAT, I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. IT BROUGHT TEARS TO MY EYES TO KNOW. I MEAN LITERALLY WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LINE. PEOPLE ARE IN A BAD PREDICAMENT.

THEY WANT JUST OLD CARS. THEY WERE NEW CARS.

THEY WERE PROFESSIONALS. THERE WERE ALL KIND OF PEOPLE.

BLACK, WHITE, YOUNG, OLD. BASED ON THE CARS.

THEY COULD BE BMW. THAT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE

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COLUMNA WE DEAL WITH NOW. IT'S A DILEMMA THAT ALL OF US ARE FACING. AND WE'VE GOT TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE DID AND THAT COME TO THE CALL AND THE RESCUE OF EVERYBODY BECAUSE IT'S IMPACTING US. THAT WAS ONE OF THE POSITIVE THINGS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN AND BE A PART OF AND WE HAVE FARM SHARES COME IN HERE FROM MIAMI TO DISBURSE THE FOOD AND EVERYTHING JUST WORKED OUT REAL WELL.

AUDREY DID A FIND JOB AND GETTING THAT ORGANIZED.

I APPRECIATE ALL OF THAT. THERE WERE SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE. THAT APPRECIATE WHAT WE DID.

THAT'S BEEN ALL THE FOOD BANKS. BUT I JUST GOT A CHANCE TO BE IN C MYSELF. I HAD BEEN SHOWING UP BUT JUST ORGANIZE AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING.

PEOPLE ARE IN TROUBLE, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

WE BROUGHT ATTENTION. IN NOT TODAY IT WILL BE WEDNESDAY. THEY WILL MANDATE MASKS.

THANK YOU. SOMEBODY FINALLY SAW THAT IT WAS A NECESSITY. IT'S NOT OFFICIAL YET.

BUT YOU KNOW I'M NOT IT'S JUST -- AND I BROUGHT THIS UP LAST MEETING. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I'M NOT INTERESTED IN FOLLOWING ANYBODY. I HAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES AT STAKE.

IF IT MEANS ME STEPPING OUT THERE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

FOR PEOPLE TO WEAR A MASK RIGHT NOW IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN HERE. WE SIT HERE AND WE ACT AS IF WE DON'T KNOW. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, OBVIOUSLY NOBODY IS READING OR WATCHING WHAT I'M WATCHING.

BECAUSE WE ARE IN A WORST PREDICAMENT NOW THAN WE HAVE BEEN IN THE HISTORY OF THIS PANDEMIC.

AND THAT HOSPITAL IS NOW RUNNING OVER.

I TOLD YOU IT WOULD GET TO THAT POINT.

BECAUSE THERE WAS A CASE WITH A CASES WERE UP.

HIGH, THERE'S A LAG WITH WHERE PEOPLE ARE TREATED.

AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST THE MODELS INDICATE ALL THE TIME THAT PEOPLE START -- WHY WE COULDN'T IMPLEMENT MANDATING MASKS COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, 3-2, 3-2 ALL THE AIM.

I'M SICKED AND TIRED OF IT. I WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHATRY SO DO IN ORDER DO ALL I CAN TO PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF I WAS ELECTED TO DO. I DON'T GET DISCOURAGED.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> MA'AM, COUPLE OF THINGS. PARKING COMMITTEE IF I COULD MAKE A REQUEST TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKLETS.

MAYBE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU AND CHEYENNE TO THE GROUP.

>> WE KNOW SHE'S OUT ON LEAVE. >> I WANTED TO SAY SHE CAN GIVE STATUS UPDATE AT SOME POINT. I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG SHE TAKES

OFF. >> THAT TOPIC DID COME UP.

AND WE KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO IMPACT PARKING BECAUSE IT TAKES AWAY SO MUCH. THAT REPORT OR THAT DISCUSSION WILL HAPPEN AT THE NEXT MONTH MEETING IF.

>> OKAY. >> YOU CAN'T COME AND SPEAK.

BECAUSE I'M THERE. >> NO, I'M NOT.

>> I WON'T. >> I WILL BE A FLY ON THE WALL

ONLY. >> BUT I WON'T.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT PAUSE A LOT OF FOLK HAVE REACHED OUT IN THE

POSITIVE AND THE NEGATIVE. >> THERE'S A LOT OF STIRRING

GOING ON WITH THE PARKLETS. >> MAIN STREET.

MAIN STREET BEING WELL. WE'RE CHANGING WITH TIMES.

AND CHANGING FUND-RAISERS, AND AND HOW WE DO THINGS.

FIREWORK MOVED TO LABOR DAY. AS FAR AS THAT COORDINATION EFFORT NOTHING HAPPENING WITH -- NOT TOO MUCH HAPPENING WITH FRIDAY FEST. AT THIS POINT.

BUT MAIN STREET IS HEALTHY AND DOING WELL.

LOOKING AT SOME TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENT AND ONLINE OPPORTUNITIES POTENTIALLY. LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

JULY THE MONTH FOR BARBECUE. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING.

WE HAVE HAD ONE VIRTUAL. >> TWO VIRTUAL.

ANOTHER ONE IN AUGUST. >> THAT'S THE BUSINESS AS USUAL.

THERE'S PROJECT THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED AROUND AND JACK IS STILL HEAR. STILL WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT ABOUT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT. THE BELL AVENUE SUNRISE BOULEVARD RIGHT IN THAT ZONE. THERE'S SOME MORE DISCUSSION.

NOT A LOT. BUT I THINK I HEARD COMMISSIONER

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HUTCHINSON TALK ABOUT IT TOO. >> I KNOW THEY LOOK FOR US TO HAVE IT ON A RADAR SCREEN SOMEWHERE OR SCHEDULE.

I DIDN'T SEE IT IN YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY.

I ASSUME THAT IT'S NOT ON A BUDGET AT THIS POINT.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT'S TPO SCHEDULE

SOMEWHERE. >> IT IS.

>> WE MIGHT NOT BE A PART OF IT AT ALL FINANCIALLY.

BUT SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT IT. >> REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.

THERE'S AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION THIS FRIDAY.

I WILL ATTEND THAT. IT'S VIRTUAL.

THAT'S EASY. HURRICANE PLANNING, AND HOW TO HANDLE A SHELTER DURING A PANDEMIC.

>> OH. THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.

>> THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION THAT COUNTY ALSO ABOUT THE FIN CENTER. WHAT A DIFFERENCE.

ALMOST LIKE AT THE NURSING HOME HAVE THE SAME ISSUE.

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. >> OKAY.

BEFORE I GIVE MY REPORT. MR. MIMMS WHEN ARE YOU SCHEDULING THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PILOT PROJECT ABOUT

SCOOTERS? >> THAT WILL BE AUGUST 3RD.

2020. >>> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. THAT'S GOOD.

>> FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY AND THE WHOLE MEETING WILL BE VIRTUAL NOW.

AND SO THE VOTING I'M SURE WILL BE GETTING REQUEST FOR NAMING THE VOTING DELEGATE AT SOME POINT SOON.

AND COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER CAN DO IT OR I CAN DO IT.

WHOEVER WE USUALLY KIND OF TRADE IT AROUND.

DOESN'T MATTER. THE FT. PIERCE UTILTITY AUTHORITY HAD VIRTUAL MEETING. ROUNDTABLE HAS NOT MET.

BUT THE EXECUTIVE HAS MET. AND WE'VE MET BY VIRTUAL MEETING. TPO WE TALKED TREASURE COAST CITY NOT MEETING DURING THIS SUMMER.

AND THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD WAS VIRTUAL.

MOST OF ALL MY MEETING HAVE BEEN VIRTUAL.

THAT'S IT FOR MY REPORT. AND COMMISSIONER ANSWER.

>> HE STARTED. >> I'M ZONED OUT OVER HERE.

IS THAT IT? >> THAT'S IT.

>> IF EVERYBODY IN THE CHAMBER WOULD START MOVING TOWARD THE DOOR WE WILL PACKING OCCUPY MATERIAL AND SHALL WE

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