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[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER MONDAY JULY 20TH.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE OPENING PRAYER BY THE REVEREND GEORGE WELCH OF WHITE CITY METHODIST

CHURCH AND REMAIN STAND FORTH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> MAY WE PRAY.

FATHER YOU WERE THE CREATOR OF US ALL AND YOU HAVE KNOWN US BY NAME BEFORE WE WERE WORN AND YOU HAVE BEEN BY OR SIDE ALL THESE YEARS. YOU'RE THE ULTIMATE PROVIDER OF ALL THINGS AND YOUR WORD TELLS US THAT WE ONLY NEED TO GET 2 THINGS RIGHT.

ONE IS TO LOVE YOU WITH ALL OF OUR HEART ALL OF OUR SOUL ALL OF OUR MIND AND TO LOVE OTHERS AS WE LOVE OURSELVES. IF WE DO THOSE 2 THINGS THEN EVERYTHING FALLS INTO PLACE FOR US. BUT THE PROBLEM IS AND YOU KNOW IT IS THAT WE ARE NOT GOOD AT EITHER OF THOSE THINGS AND NOT GOOD AT BOTH OF THEM PUT TOGETHER FOR WE STRUGGLE ABOUT OURSELVES AND ABOUT OUR OWN PRIORITIES WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE PRIORITIES AND THE NEEDS OF OTHERS AND LOOKING AT THE ULTIMATE NEEDS OF THE WORLD AROUND US.

AS WE SPEAK ABOUT ISSUES TONIGHT WE WILL COME FROM SOME OF THOSE SAME PERSPECTIVES BUT WE PRAY THAT YOU'RE SPIRIT WILL FALL UPON US. AND GIVE US A SENSE OF PEACE AND DEEPER UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WORK THAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT.

MAY OUR DISCUSSION SINCE THIS HONOR YOU HONOR EACH OTHER AND HONOR THOSE IN GENERATIONS THAT ARE YET UNKNOWN WHO WILL LIVE IN THIS CITY OR BE IMPACTED BY IT. AND MAY WE AS NEIGHBORS IN FORT PIERCE BUILD THIS CITY IN LOVE FOR GENERATIONS YET TO COME. MAY THIS CITY BE OPERATED IN AND LIVED IN WITH THOSE 2 PRINCIPLES WHICH SEEM SO EASY SO SIMPLE YET WE KNOW EVERYTHING HINGES UPON THEM AND UNDERSTANDING AND LIVING THEM OUT YET WE STILL FALL SHORT.

SO MAY YOUR BLESSINGS TONIGHT POUR UPON THIS MEETING AND ALL THOSE PRESENT AND UPON THIS CITY AND ALL WHO WORK AND LIVE AND PROSPER WITHIN IT EACH DAY OF OUR LIVES.

AMEN. >> AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE JULIE 6:2020 MEETING. >> APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[a. Email from Mike Oyler, CMI President, in support of Police Chief Diane Hobley-Burney and in appreciation of the assignment of two outstanding officers, John Fasenello and Damian Spotts, to their Colonnades COP program and Crime Watch program.]

OFFICE. WE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM MIKE OYLER CM I PRESIDENT IN SUPPORT OF POLICE CHIEF AND IN APPRECIATION OF THE ASSIGNMENT OF 2 OUTSTANDING OFFICERS TO THEIR COP PROGRAM AND CRIME WATCH PROGRAM. AN E-MAIL FROM COMB MORE

[b. Email from Allie Comer thanking Mayor Hudson and the City of Fort Pierce for supporting the downtown merchants by providing parklet spaces.]

THANKING MAYOR HUDSON AND FORT PIERCE FOR SUPPORTING THE DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE MEASURE

[c. Letter from Julie Oyler expressing great pride in the Fort Pierce Police Department and thanking Officer John Fasenello and Officer Damian Spotts for their contribution to the monthly Colonnades Crime Watch Program.]

COMMENTS A LETTER FROM JULIE OLD HER EXPRESSING THANK YOU TO THE POLICE FOR THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE MONTHLY CRIME WATCH PROGRAM. AN E-MAIL FROM JOE CRAFT

[d. Email from Joe Craft complimenting Police Chief Diane Hobley-Burney for her professionalism at the press conference regarding the recent incident at a mental health facility and for her swift action and transparency.]

COMPLIMENTING POLICE CHIEF FOR HER PROFESSIONALISM AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE REGARDING THE RECENT INCIDENT AT A MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY AND FOR HER SWIFT ACTION AND TRANSPARENCY.

[e. Voice message from Veronica Fountain in appreciation of Tanya White, Executive Assistant, Public Works Department, excellent customer service.]

A VOICE MESSAGE FROM VERONICA FOUNTAIN IN APPRECIATION OF EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT PUBLIC WORKS FOR EXCELLENT PUBLIC SERVICE A LETTER FROM ERIC AND REBECCA COMMENTING OFFICERS FOR THEIR

[f. Letter from Rebecca and Eric Ascoli commending Officer Damian Spotts and Officer Caleb Gillette for their conduct and demeanor as well as for their concem for the citizens of Fort Pierce at the recent Town Hall Meeting at Renaissance on the River Condominium Association.]

CONDUCT AND DEMEANOR AS WELL AS THEIR CONCERN FOR THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE AT THE RECENT TOWN HALL MEETING AT RENAISSANCE ON THE RIVER COULD NOT DO MIN JIM.

NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS BY THE PUBLIC. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAD ANYBODY SIGN UP. WE HAD 2 SOON UPS BUT THEY'LL BE HEARD AT THAT TIME.

>> NEXT WE HAVE A MISCELLANEOUS REPORT WHICH IS THE MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT FOR THE MONTH

ENDING MAY 31ST 2020. >> MR. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

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>> MADAM MAYOR NO WE DO NOT AT THIS TIME. >> WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE AGENDA

FIRST? >> WE SKIPPED ONE. >> IDDID SKIP.

I'M SORRY. >> WE SKIPT A COUPLE. >> ADDITION OR DELETIONS AND

[9. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. >> MOVE TO SET THE AGENDA. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> I WANT TO ADD AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA CONCERNING THE F P U.A.

SERVICE FOR DISCUSSION. >> COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC SIR.

>> WE CUT OFF SERVICE JULY 27TH. THEY CHANGED IT TO THE 27TH. I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE

AGENDA. >> COMMISSIONER ALEX 7ED UNDER WE HAVE AN F U.P. A MEETING PTOMORROW AND I'M GOING TO BE ASKING THAT THE F P U.A. BOARD MOVE THAT BACK A MONTH SO WE CAN STILL DISCUSS IT BUT I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE F P U.A. BOARD WILL BE DISCUSSING

THAT TOMORROW AT 4 -- >> OK. BUT I DON'T HAVE TO GO ANY

FURTHER IF YOU DO THAT. >> YES, SIR. >> I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT TOO.

AND WHY MAYOR I UNDERSTAND YOU MAY BE MAKING A PROPOSAL AND IN TERMS OF POSTPONING IT HOWEVER THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON TOO AS WELL. A BIRD IN THE HAND IS WORTH MORE THAN 2 IN THE PUSH AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. AND THIS SITUATION WARRANTS IN MY OPINION SOME REVIEW FROM THIS BOARD APPS AUTHORITY IF IN FACT ABOUT 2100 SLASH CUSTOMERS CITIZENS LIGHTS ARE GOING TO BE TURNED OFF IT WOULD BE NOT ONLY REMISS BUT ABSOLUTELY UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES WHATSOEVER EXCUSE BL IN TERMS OF REVIEWING FROM MY OPINION WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IMPACT THAT THAT WOULD HAVE ON THIS CITY -- AND NOT TO MENTION IT WAS A BLESSING MAYBE SOMEBODY READ MY MIND AS WELL AS COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER APPS MIND TO HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF THE UTILITIES AUTHORITIES HERE WITH US TODAY WHICH MAKES IT MORE CONVENIENT BECAUSE IF I WAS SUCCESSFUL IN ACHIEVING WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DO I WAS GOING TO SEND SOMEBODY OUT TO GO AND GRAB HIM TO BRING HIM HERE BUT HE'S HERE. WE'RE HERE AND THE FACT THAT THOSE LIGHTS COULD POSSIBLY BE TURNED OFF WITH THAT AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE A PANDEMIC IN OF ITSELF WHILE WE'RE ALREADY INVOLVED IN A PANDEMIC. SO IT MAKES NO SENSE AT THIS POINT FOR A SITUATION LIKE THAT TO OCCUR. IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY IN A GROCERY STORE WITH AN AISLE FULL OF FOOD WOULD BE LIKE ANYBODY'S LIGHTS BEING TURNED OFF IN THIS SITUATION HERE THAT WE'RE IN. SO I THINK AGAIN EVEN WITH YOUR EFFORTS, MAYOR, I'LL BE THERE HEIGHTING YOU ON TRYING TO GET YOU TO DO WHAT I HOPE YOU WILL ACHIEVE BUT AGAIN THAT'S NOT A GUARANTEE. I THINK WE NEED TO SEND A MESSAGE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE WE WILL REGRET IT LETTER IF WE SIT HERE I BELIEVE AND NOT ADDRESS SOMETHING AND DISCUSS THIS ISSUE

AND HAVE AT LEAST AN EXPLANATION AT THE LEAST. >> SO THE U.A. VOTED ON THIS ABOUT 6 WEEKS AGO AND IT WAS A PAR DIFFERENT SITUATION THEN. AND WE THOUGHT THAT THINGS WOULD BE MUCH CLOSER BACK TO NORMAL AND I BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS HAS PUT OFF GOING BACK TO SCHOOL UNTIL AUGUST 24TH. AND I THINK THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT BACK TO WORK AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY PITCH TO THE U.A. BOARD TOMORROW AND I HAVE TALKED TO MR. TOM PECK ABOUT THAT THIS AFTERNOON. HE KNOWS THAT I'M GOING TO BRING THAT UP TOMORROW. AND SO COMMISSIONER FAR REASON THAT.

>> I'LL AMEND MY MOTION AND INDEPENDENT CLYDE A DISCUSSION ON THE UTILITY AUTHOR IDENTIFY.

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>> OK. >> SECOND WITH THE QUESTION. >> WERE WE GOING TO ADD IT.

>> WHERE YOU GOING TO ADD IT. >> AT THE END. >> COMMISSION DISCUSSION.

>> YES. >> SECOND. >> 13.

IF. >> 13. IF.

OK. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[10. MISCELLANEOUS REPORTS]

FINANCIAL REPORT. >> MISS MORRIS. MR. MIMS DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? YOU'RE GOING TO LET HER TAKE THIS RIGHT?

>> BRIEFLY WE HAVE OUR MONTHLY FINANCIAL REPORT HERE FOR THE MONTH OF MAY AND WE START ALWAYS WITH OUR FUND EVALUATION REPORT AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE YELLOW BUT IT CAN BE EXPLAINED. WE ARE SHOWING THAT OUR MARINA THE NET OPERATING INCOME IS NOT POSITIVE BUT AGAIN THAT'S A RESULT OF THE RESTAURANT AND THE FUEL AND ALL OF THAT AS WELL HOWEVER THERE IS FUND BALANCE OR RETAINED EARNINGS TO RECOVER THAT.

OUR GOLF COURSE WE'RE SAYING THAT OUR NET OPERATING INCOME IS NOT POSITIVE AND THE FUND BUT I WILL SAY IT'S GOOD BUT I HAVE TO SAY WHAT IT ACTUALLY IS. THE FUND --

>> IS IT GETTING CLOSER >> VERY CLOSE. IT'S ONLY 16106 DOLLARS SHORT.

WE'RE GET VERY VERY VERY CLOSE. I JUST HAVE TO SHOW YOU WHAT THE NUMBERS SAY.

SUNRISE THE NET OPERATING INCOME WAS POSITIVE AND I'M SAYING RIGHT NOW THE CASH BALANCE IS POSITIVE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE POSITIVE CASH FLOW THAT'S THERE BUT THAT WILL NOT CONTINUE FORWARD BECAUSE WE DO KNOW WE HAVE SOME REFUNDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROCESS OUT OF THAT. AND THE BUILDING HAD A NEGATIVE NET OPERATING INCOME FOR THE MONTH OF MAY AND THAT'S A RESULT OF THE BUILD OUT AS WELL HOWEVER THEY HAVE RETAINED EARNINGS TO SUPPLEMENT THAT AS WELL. AND I WANTED TO ALSO MAKE A NOTE THAT THERE WAS A TRANSPOSITION ERROR IN THE REPORT THAT YOU SAW ON THE I.T. LINE ITEM IT HAD THE PURCHASING BUDGET.

AND SO WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT I'M LIKE 200 PERCENT ACCEPT OVER BUT IT WAS A TRANSPOSITION ERROR SO IT WAS THAT NUMBER. 800,000 SHOULD BE I.T.

THE 200 THOUSAND IS PURCHASING. BUT THE END NUMBER IS CORRECT. AND I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS. NEXT MONTH WE WILL GET OUR AT THE NEXT MEETING I WILL BE GIVING YOU THE THIRD QUARTER FINANCIAL REPORT AND I'M GOING TO CHANGE THE FORMAT SOME TO GIVE YOU A CLEARER PICTURE AS TO WHERE WE ARE OUR ACTUAL NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT OUR BUDGET WAS SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE'RE SHORT WHERE WE HAVE THE UPON TELL SHAN SHALL TO BE SHORT.

>> SO IT WILL BE ACTUAL VERSUS. >> IT WILL BE THE ACTUAL. WE'LL HAVE THE BUDGET THE FISCAL YEAR ACTUAL AND THEN I'M GOING TO TAKE USUALLY WE WERE SHOWING BEFORE IT WAS SHOWING YEAR TO YEAR. I THINK IT'S BETTER PICTURE IF I SHOW YOU WHAT WAS ACTUALLY BUDGETED FISCAL YEAR TO DATE THEN BASED ON WHAT OUR BUDGET WAS WHERE WE SHOULD BE AND WHERE THE VARIANCE IS WHERE WE'RE SHORT. SO.

>> ALL RIGHTY. ANY QUESTIONS? MISS MORRIS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OK THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> IS THERE ANY ITEM ANY COMMISSIONER WANTS TO PULL. >> SO MOVED.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[a. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for Conditional Use with no new construction submitted by property owner and applicant, Dreamchaser Preschool, LLC, to operate a 7,126 square foot preschool at 505 N. 7th Street. The property is zoned Medium Density Residential Zone (R-4), Parcel ID: 2410-601-0134-000-8.]

THIS IS THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION DREAM CHASER PRESCHOOL TO OPERATE A 7,000126 SQUARE FOOT PRESCHOOL AT 505 NORTH 7TH STREET. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ARE.

4. >> MR. SWEENEY. >> THANK YOU MAYOR.

THE CITY SERVED A JUDICIAL ROLE. THE COMMISSION ENGAGES IN LAW MAKING ACTIVITY BYPASSING LAWS.

WHEN ACTING AS A JUDICIAL BODY THE COMMISSION APPLIES THOSE AND IS HELD TO PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS. QUASI JUDICIAL ARE LESS FORMAL THAN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE A

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CIRCUIT COURT BUT ARE MORE FORMAL THAN THE COMMISSION MEETINGS.

QUAD SEE MUST FOLLOW NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASE ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. THERE FOR COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO CONDUCT THE PROCEED SEES DINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN COMMISSIONERS. THEY HAVE ESTABLISHED QUASI

JUDICIAL -- >> MAD AM THE CLERK HAS THE ADVERTISING BEEN MET.

>> THE ADVERTISING HAS BEEN MET. >> AT THIS TIME WOULD YOU POLE THE COMMISSION AND ASK FOR EX

PARTE COMMUNICATIONS PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER DID YOU HAVE ANY EX PARTE

COMMUNICATION ON THIS ITEM? >> YES, I DID. YES.

>> OK. WAS THAT WITH THE APPLICANT? >> WITH THE APPLICANT YES.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YES WITH CITY STAFF.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT? >> NO MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> YES. WAY BACK BEFORE WE STARTED THE PANDEMIC ABOUT 6 MONTHS AGO WITH

THE APPLICANT I BELIEVE IT WAS. >> THANK YOU. AND MAYOR HUDSON.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES NOW?

ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO BE SPEAKING. >> YES WILL ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT PLANS TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM AS WELL. OK.

DO YOU SQUARE OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHEN YOU COME FORWARD I'LL ASK THAT YOU SOON IN AND COP FIRM WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN.

>> CITY STAFF WILL NOW MAKE IT'S PRESENTATION AND THIS IS THE TIME WHEN WE ASK QUESTIONS OF

STAFF. PLEASE PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR CITY COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION.

SEEK AGENT PROVE VAL TO OPERATE A PRESCHOOL AT 5 ZERO 5 NORTH 7TH STREET.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT NORTHWEST CORNER OF NORTH 7TH STREET IN CEDAR PLACE.

SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE. OF RM WHICH IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. IT HAS A ZONING OF ARE. 4 MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE. QUESTION ARE SEEKING APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE TOP RATE THE 7,000126 PRESCHOOL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ONE CONDITION.

HERE'S A BRIEF SYNOPSIS OF OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. ON NOVEMBER 19TH 2018 CITY COMMISSION APPROVED RESOLUTION NO. 18 -- ARE. 5-7 AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF 5 ZERO 5 NORTH 7TH STREET WITH THE PROPOSED INTENT OF A PRESCHOOL. ALSO QUASI 1Y50UD DISH SHALL HEARINGS THERE'S NO VALIDATED EVIDENCE AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE THERE'S NO CITY OF FORT PIERCE CODE ENFORCEMENT OR POLICE DEPARTMENT CURRENT VIOLATIONS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE BEING ADDED TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S 65 NOTIFICATIONS SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET. 5 WERE IN FAVOR AND ZERO IN OPPOSITION.

POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE CITY COMMISSION ARE TO APPROVED THE USE SUBJECT TO NO CHANGES APPROVE THE PROPOSED WITH CHANGES OR DENY THE CONDITIONAL EYES.

STAFF HAS THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATION. PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 22 -- 62 B 4 SIDEWALKS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE CONTINUING ACCESS SIDEWALKS SHALL BE REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDE BID THE PROPERTY OWNER OR PERMIT APPLICANT WHEN PLANS ARE SUBMITTED OR A PAY A PAYMENT TO THE CITY SIDEWALK FUND. PLEASE INSTALL A SIDEWALK ALONG AVENUE. HE AND CEDAR PLACE CONNECT TOGETHER NORTH 7TH STREET EXISTING SIDEWALK OR SUBMIT PAYMENT IN LEU OF TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ENGINEERING

DEPARTMENT WITHIN 90 DAYS OF CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

YES. >> THANK YOU. IN THE ORIGINAL INFORMATION IT

SAID THERE WERE TWO CONDITIONS. WE LOST A CONDITION? >> CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT. WHAT WAS THE CONDITION THAT WE EITHER DROPPED OR WE KNEW.

>> OR DID THEY MEET IT OR WHATEVER? >> THE OTHER CONDITION HAD TO DO WITH THE LOOTING. BUT CURRENTLY THAT PARKING LOT THE CITY OWNS THE PARKING LOT.

>> CITY STAFF WE WERE DIRECTED TO REMOVE THAT CONDITION SINCE IT IS OUR PROPERTY RIGHT NOW AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET THAT CONDITION. AND IT'S SIMPLY SUBMITTING A

LOOTING PLAN AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALL RIGHTY NOW IT'S TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? AND YOU WERE SWORN IN SIR? YES UH-HUH.

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DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THESE 2 STAFF?

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THEM? >> YES.

>> WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND SOON IN FIRST AND YOU WERE SWORN IN AND THEN YOU CAN ASK YOUR

QUESTIONS. >> MY NAME IS CLAWED ON BEHALF OF DREAM CHASERS.

THANKS FORETAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO OUR CONCERN. I THINK THE QUESTION WE HAVE REGARDING THE SIDEWALKS WE'RE IN TOUCH WITH CULPEPER TO GET SITE PLANS BUT WE HAVE TO GET WITH THE CITY IN TERMS OF TYPOGRAPHIC HOW THE SIDEWALKS SHOULD RUN WHERE IT SHOULD STOP AND SUCH.

HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HELP US OUT WITH THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL WORK WITH ENGINEERING. >> RIGHT IS THAT IT FOR THE STAFF?

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY BE EXCUSED.

THANK YOU. YES, SIR. PLEASE PROCEED.

>> THE OTHER THING I KNOW WE'VE BEEN COMING BACK AND FORTH FOR A COUPLE MONTHS DEALING WITH THE SITUATION. THE PARKING LOT IS NOT CURRENTLY UNDER OUR SIGHT TALL THE DREAM CHASERS YET. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS WILL BE ENTERTAINING THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE SO THAT WILL RELIEVE YOU GUYS FROM TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT THE PARKING LOT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET SITE PLANS TO PUT INLAND SCAPING AND PLAYGROUND AND DRAINAGE PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING LOT SO STUFF LIKE THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD CONSIDER IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO TRANSFER THAT TO DREAM CHASERS SO WE CAN MAINTAIN AND DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU ON ISSUES WE HAVE RELATING.

>> WE'LL TRY GET SOME ANSWERS ON THAT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LOOK TO TELL

THE COMMISSION? >>IS THERE ANYTHING. I THINK THAT'S BASICALLY IT.

>> SO ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> YOU MENTIONED PROBLEMS WITH THE PARKING LOT. COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC?

>> DRAINAGE. THE DRAINAGE AND THE LANDSCAPING.

WE'RE DOING THE LANDSCAPE FOR BOTH THE PARKING LOT AND THE DAYCARE ITSELF.

>> DO YOU HAVE A REASON TO BELIEVE OR ARE YOU AWARE OF A DRAINAGE PROBLEM IN ITS EXISTING

STATE? >> YES. THE DRAINAGE THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW EVERY TIME IT RAINS IT GETS CLOGGED UP AND THERE'S A SECTION OF THE PARKING LOT THAT'S ACTUALLY BEEN ERODE SGLD BASED ON YOUR OBSERVATIONS DOES IT APPEAR FROM A LACK OF MAINTENANCE OR SIT GOING TO REQUIRE SOME FORM OF MAJOR CONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING ALONG

THOSE LINES? >> PARKING LOT APPEARS TO NEED REPAIRS BECAUSE THERE ARE POTHOLES AND I THINK FROM THAT ALL THAT SAND BEING GOING INTO THE DRAINAGE CLOGGING IT UP WHEN IT RANCE. SO IT'S LACK OF MAINTENANCE BASICALLY.

>> OK. THANK YOU SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OF THE APP CAPTAIN? OK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING

AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION. . >> THAT

>> YOU. >> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

TIME. I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND AND REALIZE WHAT YOU'VE INHERITED.

IT HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL BUT IT HAS A WELL LOT OF PROBLEMS. SO HATS OFF TO YOU.

BEST WISHES. I'M SURE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THIS CITY HALL CAN DO TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN CONTINUE IN TERMS OF WHAT YOUR GOALS ARE AND I SEE IT'S A GOOD IDEA ESPECIALLY FOR THAT AREA I'M SURE THE CITY MANAGER WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HELP YOU OUT.

THANK YOU SIR. >> GOOD LUCK. >> AND NEXT ITEM IS THE REVIEW

[b. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for Conditional Use with no new construction submitted by property owner and applicant, Tiffany Wood, a Vacation Rental at 1123 Hernando Street, Apt. B, offering lodging for less than six (6) months. The minimum rental period is identified as one (1) day. The property is zoned Hutchinson Island Medium Density Residential Zone (R-4A), Parcel ID: 2401-811-0018-000-6.]

AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CAN BE NALL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY -- CONDITIONAL USE A VACATION SHN RENTAL OFFERING LODGING FOR LESS THAN 6 MONTHS.

THE MINIMUM RENTAL PERIOD IS FOOD AS ONE DAY. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED HUTCHISON

ISLAND MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL ARE. 4-A. >> MADAM CLERK HAS THE

ADVERTISING BEEN MET FOR THIS ITEM. >> THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM

HAS BEEN MET. >> WOULD YOU ASK THE COMMISSIONERS IF THEY'VE HAD EX

PARTE XHIEB OCCASIONS. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER DID YOU HAVE EX PARTE XHUP OCCASIONS

ON THIS MATTER. >> NO NOT THAT I RECALL. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNS SON.

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>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT. >> NO, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> NO, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> WE'LL NOW PROCEED WITH THE HEARING AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO

SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES PLEASE? >> WILL ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE WHOLE TRUTH AND

NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL ASK THAT WHEN YOU COME FORWARD THAT YOU'LL SOON IN WHEN

IT'S TIME AND CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN. >> OK.

NOW CITY STAFF YOU MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. >> GOOD EVENING MAD DAY DAM MAYOR CITY COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION TO OPERATE A VACATION RENTAL OFFERING LODGING FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS WITH A MINIMUM RENTAL PERIOD OF ONE DAY AT THE SUBJECT SITE 1123 HERNANDO STREET APARTMENT B. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WEST OF SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE AND APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET NORTH OF MARINER BAY.

SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF H I.R. WHICH IS HUTCHISON ISLAND RESIDENTIAL WITH ZONING OF HUTCHISON ISLAND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE.

APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE ONCE AGAIN IS TO OPERATE A VACATION RENTAL WITH A MINIMUM RENTAL OF ONE DAY. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO 5 CONDITIONS.

HERE'S A SYNOPSIS 74 RECOMMENDATION. ORDINANCE K -- 114 PAST ESTABLISHING DWELLINGS. FLORIDA LEGISLATION SHOULD 2011 PROHIBITS CITIES FROM DENYING SHORT-TERM RENTAL RIGHTS. CONDITIONAL USES ARE ALLOWED. AS FAR AS QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING THERE WAS NO VALIDATED EVIDENCE THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE. NO CURRENT VIOLATION SHINS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE BEING ADDED TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THERE WERE 75 NOTIFICATIONS SENT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET.P5 WERE IN FAVO OPPOSITION. POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE CITY COMMISSION ARE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE SUBJECT TO 5 CONDITIONS NO CHANGES A3R50I6D OR DENY THE PROBED POEF CONDITIONS USE. STAFF RECOGNIZE SUBJECT TO 5 CONDITIONS.

ONE THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THE VACATION SHALL BE AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES TO RESOLVE COMPLAINTS OR VIOLATIONS SHINS OF CITY CODE. SAID MANAGER SHALRIE SIDE IN SAINT PIERCE AND BE REGISTERED. GOOD BOOKS AVAILABLE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT REGARDING LEGAL CALL RULES AND PUBLIC SERVICE TO MINIMIZE CONFLICTS. 3 THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE FOR AND OBTAIN BUSINESS TAX LICENSES WITHIN 30 DAYS OF ISSUANCE OF A LICENSE FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL REGULATION. 4 THERE SHALL BE A LIMITATION OF NO MORE THAN 2 WEEKS IS AT THE SITE. 5 THE FORT PIERCE BUSINESS TAX NUMBER LICENSE SHALL BE IN CLOUDD ON ALL ADVERTISING. THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OK.

NOW I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE. AND SOON IN AND YOU WERE SWORN

IN I SAW. >> YES. >> HOW ARE YOU?

>> GOOD. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR ME PLEASE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU GUYS TONIGHT >> STATE YOUR NAME. >> I'M SORRY TIFFANY WOOD.

>> WELCOME. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> NO. I THINK YOU GUYS DID GREAT THANK YOU.

>> THEN YOU MAY BE EXCUSED. THANK YOU. AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR

FROM YOU NOW. >> I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FORGIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE HOME AGAIN. ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO OR MORE WE WERE APPROVED FOR MONTHLY RENTALS AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO IN FOR LESS THAN 30 DAYS. WE HAVE HAD NO VIOLATIONS ON THE HOME WHATSOEVER. NO COMPLAINTS. AND WE'VE I THINK ARE MORE THAN

READY TO PRO ED SOOPD AND CONTINUE ON. >> YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE

HAPPY WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PUT ON. >> ABSOLUTELY YES.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THOSE. >> YES.

WE PAID FOR THE SIDEWALK. WE HAVE THE LICENSES. SO I THINK WE'RE READY.

>> GOOD. ANY OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT.

>> SO YOU WERE -- OVER 30 DAYS UNDER 6 MONTHS. HOW DID THAT WORKING FOR YOU.

>> VERY WELL ACTUALLY. I MEAN IT DID CUT I MEAN I WAS 75% OCCUPIED SO IT DID CUT BACK ON MY OCCUPANCY FROM PRIOR TO US HAVING YOU KNOW YOU GUYS HAVING ANY ISSUES WITH US RENTING SO BUT IT WORKED VERY WELL. EVERYBODY WAS VERY HAPPY. OUR TENANTS WERE VERY HAPPY.

THE NEIGHBORS WERE VERY HAPPY. IT JUST CUT BACK ON THE POTENTIAL AT THE HOME WHICH IS MY ISSUE FROM THE BEGINNING OF ALL. THIS WE'VE NEVER HAD A VIOLATION

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EVER SINCE 2011 THIS BEGINNING. SO I'VE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND HAVE BEEN GONE 2 YEARS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD ON GETTING THIS TO THIS POINT AGAIN.

SO. >> I MEAN I GUESS I WILL ATTEST TO THAT BECAUSE I HAVE MY DUPLEX 4 UNITS AWAY FROM YOURS AND I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE DOING THAT DOWN.

THERE I KNEW YOU WERE DOING IT BUT THAT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S KIND OF ECLECTIC.

THERE'S SOME FOLKS THAT ARE HAVE WITH BEEN LIVING THERE BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT WORKS THERE ON HERNANDO. SO WHATEVER YOU DID BELIEVE ME I WOULD HEAR ABOUT IT AND I

DIDN'T. >> EXCELLENT THANK YOU. >> CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.

NOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH UNIT A? YOU'RE NOT DOING THE SHORT-TERM?

>> NO WE'RE NOT DOING THE SHORT-TERM. WE USE IT AS OUR STORAGE AREA

AND THE OWNER JUST FOR ALL OF OUR ITEMS PERSONAL ITEMS. >> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW.

IT WAS KIND OF EXCLUDING. >> IT NEVER FIT INTO THE NOR PLAN TO BE HONEST WHEN WE WERE RENOVATING IT. IT WAS A NICE SPACE BUT IT DIDN'T WORK.

SO IT >> PERFECT FOR STORAGE. >> AND YOUR LOCAL MANAGER IS

WHO? >> MY SISTER. SHE'S BEEN DOING IT SINCE 2011.

I LOVE HER TO DEATH. >> I THINK I REMEMBER THAT FROM 2 YEARS AGO.

>> RIGHT BEHIND. SO IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE.

>> GOOD FOR YOU. YOU DID A GOOD JOB. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY OR QUESTIONS? OK THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? ANYONE ELSE? AND YOU WERE SWORN IN SIR; IS

THAT CORRECT >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. I STOOD UP.

>> WOULD YOU SOON IN FOR ME PLEASE SIR. >> YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES.

MY NAME IS PAUL SHAW I'M A 32 YEAR RESIDENT OF FORT PIERCE. I JUST WANT TO I'M SPEAKING IN SUPPORT OF VACATION RENTAL. I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFIC UNIT BUT I'M GOING SPEAK IN FAVOR OF VACATION RENTAL. I THINK IN THE PAST THAT ONE DAY OR THAT SHORT-TERM SOMETIMES FRIGHTENS YOU. HONESTLY I'M QUITE CERTAIN THAT FREQUENTLY THE MOST USED TIME WILL PROBABLY BETWEEN 7 AND 12 DAYS WHAT THESE UNITS ARE USED FOR YOU KNOW WHEN YOU THINK OF ONE DAY. YOU THINK WHAT DOES THAT GENERATE? A LOT OF TRAFFIC? I DON'T THINK SO. THAT'S MY OPINION.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE CASE. IT WILL BE 7 PLUS DAYS. COULD BE A MONTH.

BUSINESS PEOPLE. PROFESSIONALS WILL USE THAT. SO IT SHOULD BE GOOD FOR

EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> SOON IN FOR ME AND YOU WERE

SFWHORN CORRECT? >> YES. >> OK.

MICHELLE 7:15 SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE UNIT D. I JUST WANTED TO COME OUT AND SUPPORT MS. WOOD. SHE'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW SHE HAS AWESOME PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WHERE SOME OF US ARE FIGHTING WITH THE PUBLIC THINKING THAT A VACATION RENTAL IS SCARY THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO YOU KNOW HAVE PARTIES AND RENT TO COLLEGE KIDS AND YOU KNOW MY HAT IS OFF TO HER PROVING MY POINT ALL ALONG THAT YOU KNOW WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU KNOW OUR RESTAURANTS ALL OF OUR LOCAL ACTIVITIES ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE AND YOU KNOW THE FACT THAT SHE WAS ABLE TO PROVE THIS POINT EVEN DOING A LESS THAN 6 MONTHS NOW SHE'LL BE ABLE TO DO IT I THINK THIS WILL FURTHER THE CAUSE. I LOOK FORWARD TO YOU KNOW WORKING WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO KEEP THIS GOING.

FORT PIERCE IS STILL GROWING AND WE NEED ALL OF THE TAX DOLLARS POSSIBLE FOR THE ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO COME AND SUPPORT ALL THE

VACATION SPIN RENTALS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD.

YOU WERE SWORN IN I THINK. >> YES. >> SO SOON IN FOR ME PLEASE.

>> YES. >>OKAY. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE

RECORD PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS ALENE SCHMITZ AND I'M A CALIFORNIA RESIDENT AND I COME TO FORT PIERCE AS A VACATION RENTAL. I MEAN I RENT AND I'VE BEEN IN

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TIFFANY'S HOME. I DO COME IN SUPPORT OF DOING LESS THAN 30 DAY RENTALS BECAUSE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE US IT'S DIFFICULT TO ACTUALLY RENT FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH.

IT'S TOO LONG. WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF VACATION DURING THE SUMMER.

SO I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO DO THIS FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. AND WERE YOU SWORN IN SIR?

>> YES, I WAS. >> ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU SOON IN FOR ME PLEASE?

STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. >> WILLIAM FERN.

CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU DON'T MIND TAKING IT OFF.

>> WILLIAM FERN. >> WELCOME. >> THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

I WAS HERE IN FEBRUARY OF 2014 AND SPOKE AGAINST THIS APPLICATION.

I WAS HERE AGAIN IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR AND SPOKE AGAINST THE APPLICATION.

OF COURSE THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE LESS THAN 6 MONTH APPLICATION IN NOVEMBER OR IN FEBRUARY OF 2017 AND THEN DAYS APPROVED THE APPLICATION IN NOVEMBER OF LAST YEAR.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 2014. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE.

I'VE MADE SOME GREAT FRIENDS. IT'S WHAT I SEE IS A STABLE NEIGHBOR HIDE BUT THERE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMS AND I'VE HAD FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE IN THOSE PROBLEMS AND MOST OF THE PROBLEMS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SO I HAVE SEEN YOU KNOW A CHARACTERISTIC OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS THAT CARS WILL PARK BACKWARDS SO YOU CAN'T SEE THE TAGS. I HAVE SEEN THE LOUD -- JUST PEOPLE COMING IN.

AT FIRST I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS WHAT WAS GOING ON. I THOUGHT I TRIED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS. THESE PEOPLE I WOULD INTRODUCE MYSELF AND THEN 2 DAYS LATER I WOULDN'T SEE THEM AGAIN AND THEN THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE PARTIES AND THERE WAS LOUD NOISES AND I'VE BEEN UP AT 2, 3 IN THE MORNING WITH EAR PLUGS. NOW I WOULD SAY THAT THINGS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE GOTTEN CONSIDERABLY BETTER. I THINK MOST OF THAT IS â– THE RESULT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT. I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT I MADE IN THE PREVIOUS 2 COMMISSION MEETINGS. ONE IS THAT YOU HAVE CERTAIN STANDARDS NOW AND I THINK 6 MONTH RENTAL GIVES YOU A NEIGHBOR SOMEBODY YOU CAN MEET AND RELY ON AND TALK TO.

WHEN YOU GO 30 DAYS AND ALL THE KAWHI DOWN ONE DAY IT GIVES YOU A ROAD TO A NEIGHBOR HIDE INSTABILITY AND IF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECOMES A NEIGHBOR HIDE THAT'S JUST FULL OF RENTAL PROPERTIES IT'S NOT A PLACE I WANT TO LIVE. A PLACE I'LL LEAVE.

I WANT NEIGHBORHOOD I CAN -- I WANT A NEIGHBOR HIDE THAT HAS LONG-TERM RESIDENTS THAT I CAN

RELY ON AND TALK TO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> LET ME ASK HIM A QUESTION. SIR. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS HAS A

QUESTION. >> YOU HAD A LIST OF THINGS ISSUES THAT YOU HAD.

WERE THEY SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THIS APPLICANT? >> NO AND I DON'T MAKE A HABIT OF GOING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SPYING ON PEOPLE AND TRYING TO FIND CODE VIOLATIONS EITHER.

>> NO I MEAN THE APPLICANT. >> NO I LIVE ON PERSON THAT DEANA STREET -- BUT I DO THINK IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE AND I THINK WHEN WE START MOVING TOWARDS ONE DAY RENTALS IT WILL

IMPACT PERSON THAT DEANA STREET -- >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> OK. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE? CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR MOTION.

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>> MOVE TO APPROVE. WITH CONDITIONS. >> THE THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. >> ALL RIGHT. >> WHILE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE SINCE WE HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN NEIGHBORHOODS IT HASN'T BEEN THE IDEAL SCENARIO AND I'VE CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE SOME

CONCERNS WHEN YOU HAVE TRANSIT PROPERTY. >> A REASON WHY I MOVED TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD IS BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET OUT FROM AROUND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND HOTELS OTHERWISE I WOULD HAVE MOVED NEXT DOOR. NEVERTHELESS AND THIS IS MORE OF NOTICE TO EVERYBODY INVOLVED. I DON'T MEAN TO SOUNDS LIKE A BROKEN WHEEL BUT THE ISSUE LOSE WITH THE STATE LEGISLATION. OUR HANDS ARE TIED. I KNOW IT'S NOT THE BEST-CASE SCENARIO. AND I SEE LIKE SO MANY OF YOU THAT IT COULD GET OUT OF HAND BUT WE HAVE GOT TO START LOBBYING. YOU HAVE GOT TO START LOBBYING RATHER INDIVIDUALS THAT PERHAPS COULD CHANGE THIS IF YOU FEEL THERE'S A NEED TO BECAUSE IN THE ABSENCE OF SOME TYPE OF ULTRA HAZARDOUS ACTIVITY OR WHERE THERE IS SOMETHING REGARDING THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE PUBLIC AND EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO THAT EFFECT WE'RE TIRED AND WE

HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH ACCEPTING THESE APPLICATIONS THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> YEAH. BECAUSE THIS IS QUASI JIED DISH SHALL WE'RE HELD TO A HIGHER STAND DIRT. -- MR. SWEENEY OVER HERE IS GOING TO JUMP UP AND DO YOU KNOW IF WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON PERCEPTIONS AND A LOT OF THE PERCEPTIONS MAY BE TRUE.

I LIVE IN THE NEIGHBOR HIDE TOO. BUT I'M WAITING FOR THE FIRST BREAKDOWN WHEN THE SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTERS ARE CAUSING SUCH A PROBLEM THAT IS CAUSING NEIGHBORHOODS TO YOU KNOW MEET AND BE ABLE TO DEFINE ALL THE ISSUES AND I'M NOT SAYING IT HASN'T HAPPENED BUT IT JUST HASN'T HAND THAT MUCH. MOST OF THE DISTURBANCE I GET IS ARE WHEN THE KIDS COME HOME FROM COLLEGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND THEY TAKE OVER THE WHOLE NEIGHBOR HIDE.

AND I WAS ONE OF THOSE AT ONE FOR THAT. HAVE A LOT OF LENIENC- SO IF YOU'RE -- IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER NOT APPROVING THIS WE WOULD HAVE TO HEAR COMPETENT THAT WOULD SAY THIS HAS IDENCE - HAPPENED. IT IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE SEEN. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE A COMPLETE FAILURE TO THE SECURITY SAFETY OF THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT TONIGHT. WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT.

WE HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER HERE WHO HAS GONE FROM SO IS THE FIRST ONE VACATION RENTAL AND SHORT-TERM OR IS IT SHORT-TERM AND VACATION. I DON'T KNOW.

IT KEEPS CHANGING. >> IT'S DWELLING TOO. >> 30 DAYS AND UNDER ONE.

>> THIS LADY AND HER HUSBAND HAVE OPERATED ONE OF THOSE THAT CAN BE 30 DAYS UP TO 6 MONTHS AND FOR THE LAST 2 YEARS AND I DO HAVE A BUSINESS IN THE AREA. I'M 4 UNITS AWAY FROM THAT THAT I HAVE A LONG-TERM SUSTAINABLE DUPLEX THERE. AND WE HAVE FOLKS THAT LIVE NEXT TO ME THAT KNOW EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON IN THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD.

NOT ONLY THAT OVER ON FERNANDINA STREET -- AND SHE KNOWS WHO I AM AND I NORMALLY GET AN EARFUL EVERY TIME BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ON THIS. SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE RUNNING IT THE RIGHT AWAY. YOU KNOW IT'S A BETTER FIT FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD I THINK THAN GOING INTO ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF RENTAL PROPERTIES OR THAT IS SKOEFRND YOU KNOW R1 OR R1. SO I THINK REALLY THE MATTER HERE IS THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO SAY NO. IT SEEMS LIKE THE OPERATION HAS BEEN DONE IN A PROPER SENSE AND

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IT'S GOT MY SUPPORT. >> YEAH AND COMMISSIONER

JOHNSON? >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M JUST GOING QUICKLY TALK ABOUT THAT AND THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT FOR BRINGING THOSE POINTS TO OUR ATTENTION AND TALKING ABOUT IT. AND THIS ALSO THE ARE. 4-A DISTRICT AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT EXTENSIVELY OVER THE YEARS AND WE VOTED WITH THE CONDITIONS.

WE HAVE A GOOD SET OF CONDITIONS. THE PROCESS PROBABLY NEEDS SOME WORK AND SO WE'RE WORKING ON THAT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US AND YOU'RE RIGHT.

THE CONDITIONS AND THE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK TO.

WE HAVE A GOOD CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT THAT'S TAKING CARE OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU. >> AND I WANTED TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER SESSION ANYONES IS

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TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE HAS TOLD US THAT WE CANNOT REGULATE BY DURATION OR LOCATION AND I THINK THAT WHAT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WOULD POSITION IS THAT WE BELIEVE EVERYBODY PROPERTY RIGHTS FOR THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY AND FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THIS CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS IS HOW WE TRY TO BALANCE THAT AND SO IF WE COULD I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD BE DESIRABLE WOULD BE WE WOULD HAVE ONLY CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THIS WOULD BE NOT THE R1 BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT.

WE CANNOT DO THAT. SO AS A CITY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WORKS ON EVERY SINGLE LEGISLATIVE SESSION.

SO IF YOU SUPPORT THIS OR DON'T SUPPORT IT COMMISSIONER SESSIONS IS RIGHT.

YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHO YOUR STATE LEGISLATOR IS AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THIS

ISSUE. COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT -- >> AND ALSO YOU'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND YOU HEAR SOMETHING THAT IS YOU KNOW LOUD NOISE INTO THE NIGHT THE RIGHT THIS INNING IS TO CALL ON THAT. THE RIGHT THING IS TO REPORT THAT BECAUSE THAT HELPS US WITH OUR DECISION. AND IT SPEAKS TO THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT GOES ON. IF WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT I HAVE NO PROBLEM EYES THAT GO IF I WANTED TO I MEAN IF IT LED TO THAT TO DENY SOMETHING BUT IF NOBODY SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND WE HAVE NO RECORD THERE FOR WE REALLY HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE THEN TO APPROVE IT.

>> AND A CONDITIONAL USE IS BASED ON FOLLOWING THOSE CONDITIONS.

>> RIGHT. >> SO PLEASE IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE REPORT IT.

>> SHALL WE VOTE? CALL THE ROLE PLEASE.

[c. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for Conditional Use with no new construction submitted by property owner and applicant, Tiffany Wright-Ofeimu, a Vacation Rental at 715 S. Ocean Drive, Unit E, offering lodging for less than six (6) months. The minimum rental period is identified as two (2) days. The property is zoned Hutchinson Island Medium Density Residential Zone (R-4A), Parcel ID: 2401-504-0001-000.]

>> -- THE NEXT IS REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY OWNER AND APPLICANT VACATION RENTAL AT 7 ONE 5 SOUTH OCEAN UNIT. HE OFFERING LODGING FOR LESS THAN 6 MONTHS WITH THE MINIMUM RENTAL PERIOD FOOD AS 2 DAYS. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED HUTCHISON ISLAND MEDIUM SENSE SIT I THINK

RESIDENTIAL ARE. 4 AN A. >> AND HAS THE ADVERTISING BEEN

MET FOR THIS ITEM. >> THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM HAS BEEN MET.

>> COULD YOU ASK FOR EX PARTE XHAN OCCASIONS ON THIS ITEM. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER DID YOU HAVE EX-PARTE DISCUSSION SHINS WITH REGARD TO THIS YIEB KNIT.

>> NO. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I'M GOING TO SAY YES I BELIEVE I DID WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT OR CONVERSATION WITH NEIGHBORS.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT -- >> YES, MA'AM. >> WITH THE APPLICANT.

>> WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE APPLICANT. >> OK THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> NO, MA'AM. I DON'T RECALL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> NO, MA'AM. >> WE'LL NOW PROCEED WITH AN OPEN HEARING AND WOULD YOU SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES PLEASE. EVERYBODY THAT'S GOING TO TALK

ON THIS PLEASE STAND AND BE SWORN IN. >> THANKS YOU DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OK.

>> CITY STAFF YOU MAY MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. >> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR CITY COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR VACATION RENTAL WITH A MINIMUM RENTAL PERIOD OF 2 DAYS FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT 7:15 SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE UNIT.

HE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE BOARDWALK CONDOMINIUMS AND IS AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF OCEAN DRIVE AND GULF STREAM.

SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS H I.R. WHICH IS HUTCHISON ISLAND RESIDENTIAL.

ARE. 4-A MEDIUM DENSITY I THINK. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO 5 CONDITIONS. FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE. THE SYNOPSIS FOR OUR RECOMMENDATION AS PREVIOUSLY STATED ORDINANCE K -- 114 PASSED IN 2001.

FLORIDA LEGISLATURE IN 2011 PROHIBITS CITIES FROM DENYING SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND CONDITIONAL USES ARE ALLOWED. THERE'S NO VALIDATED EVIDENCE OR FORT PIERCE CURRENT VIOLATIONS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE BEING ADDED TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED WITHIN 500 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE WERE 158 NOTIFICATIONSCH 7 WERE IN FAVOR AND 16 WERE IN OPPOSITION.

POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE SUBJECT TO 5 CONDITIONS. NO CHANGES APPROVE THE MROEP POSED CONDITIONAL USE OR DENY

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THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE. STAFF HAS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS FOR RECOMMENDATION.

NUMBER 1 THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THE VACATION RENT TEAL SHALL BE AVAILABLE TO RESOLVE COMPLAINTS OF THE CODE. SAID MANAGER SHALRIE SIDE IN ST. LOUIS SEE COUNTY AND BE REGISTERED WITH CITY OF FORT PIERCE. NUMBER 2 GOOD BOOKS SHALL BE PROVIDED REGARDING LOCAL RULES AND PUBLIC RESOURCES TO MINIMIZE CONFLICT.

NUMBER 3 THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE FOR COUNTY AND CITY FORT PIERCE BUSINESS TAX LICENSES WITHIN 30 DAYS OF A LICENSE FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS.

NUMBER 4 THERE SHALL BE A LIMITATION OF NO MORE THAN 2 WEEKS AT THE SITE.

NUMBER 5 THE BUSINESS TAX SHALL BE INCLUDED ON ALL ADVERTISING. THANK YOU.

>> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> ON THIS ONE I WANTED TO ASK WHAT IS THE LARGEST OPPOSITION ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? THAT'S AN ENORMOUS NUMBER THERE.

>> THE NUMBER OF POSED. >> YES. >> MOST OF THE OPPOSING PROPERTY OWNERS BASICALLY SAID THEY DON'T AGREE WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THAT WAS THE BASIS OF MOST OF

THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE DENIAL. >> OK.

AND SO JUST ON THAT PART OF IT MR. SWEENEY I THINK IT OH EASE A GOOD TIME FOR YOU TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT THE STATE WHAT DOES THE STATE RECOMMEND WHAT DOES THE STATE TELL THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THEY CAN AND CANNOT DO. BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BIG MULTIPLEB. I'VE NEVER SEEN A NUMBER THAT LARGE.

>> WAS THAT A QUESTION FOR MR. SWEENEY? >> YES.

>> DID YOU UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION MR. SWEENEY. >> YES I APOLOGIZE.

MAYOR, COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. CAN YOU REPEAT IT.

>> THE QUESTION IS YOU HAD OPPOSITION OF 170. >> NO IT WAS 16 I THINK.

WE SENT 150. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE SCREEN. >> WE SENT 158 NOTIFICATIONS AND

THERE WERE 7 IN FAVOR AND 16 IN OPPOSITION. >> OK.

I'M SORRY. I WAS READING IT CROSS-EYED. >> OK.

>> WELL SINCE HE SAID THE LARGEST OPPOSITION IS THEY'RE AGAINST VACATION RENTALS MAYBE

YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO THEM MR. SWEENEY WHAT STATE STIPULATES. >> THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE

LEGISLATION MAYBE. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER I THINK WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS A WHAT XHAGS NURSE SESSIONS AND THE MAYOR WERE TALKING ABOUT ON THE LAST APPLICANT THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA SAID YOU CAN'T REGULATE WHEN IT COMES TO DURATION OR LOCATION AND SO NOT LOOKING THEM AS A REASON IS NOT

COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF.

>> OK. > I CAN ONLY ASK YOU TO REPEAT IT BECAUSE IT WAS IN OPPOSITION YOU KNOW I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE HEARING AND UNDERSTANDING.

>> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALL RIGHTY.

SO NOW I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE.

AND YOU WERE SWORN IN I THINK THAT'S CORRECT. WOULD YOU SOON IN FOR ME PLEASE

AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? >> NO.

NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR EVERYTHING. >> I ALSO BELIEVE THE

APPLICATION HAS A PRESENTATION. >> YES. I DID PREPARE.

I PROBABLY DON'T NEED IT. IT MIGHT HAVE GONE OVERBOARD. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP YOU GUYS ALL NIGHT. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND I DON'T MIND.

I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE DIRECTION. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> 3-12-2 WINCHESTER ROAD WEST BLOOMFIELD MICHIGAN 48-32-2. I JUST FOR THE RECORD I BELIEVE 2 PEOPLE HAD SAID THAT THEY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MY AGENT. MY AGENT THAT WAS LISTED I'VE HANDLED THE APPLICATION. MY AGENT THAT WAS LISTED SARAH. SO I THINK THAT WAS PREVIOUS

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WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH MICHELLE JUST KIND OF FOLLOWING ALONG WITH HER BECAUSE MY AGENT IS HERE WITH ME AND SHE SAID SHE HASN'T TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT IT.

JUST SO IT'S NOT A CORRECTION. >> YEAH WE APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFICATION OF THAT.

>> THANK YOU. I WON'T GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS ALL BUT I JUST APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF MY APPLICATION AND JUST ASSURE THE COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR AND JUST THE CITY THAT I AS A HOMEOWNER AND AS A LANDOWNER OF NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY BUT OTHER RENTAL PROPERTIES TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN MY PROPERTY AND WANT IT TO ONE NOT ONLY WELL FOR THE NEIGHBORS BUT FOR MYSELF. YOU KNOW I CANNOT RUN A VACATION RENTAL WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TRASHING THE PLACE. IT DOESN'T HELP. MY BUSINESS SO TO SPEAK.

I PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION. WE'RE RIGHT BY A LOT OF COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. WE'RE RIGHT BY HOTELS. I MEAN WE'RE RIGHT MAYBE A FEW BLOCKS AWAY FROM A HOTEL. I THINK THAT IT ADDS TO A FAMILY ATMOSPHERE TO HAVE A CONDO WHERE A SMALL FAMILY CAN COME AND HAVE A KITCHEN. I HAVE USED VACATION RENTALS MYSELF AND I FIND THAT SOMETIMES THEY'RE MORE BETTER MAINTAINED THAN THE ONES AROUND THEM.

I KNOW THAT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES BEFORE. I LIKE FOREVER WASHED TO TRYING TO IMPROVE OUR COMMUNITY AND BRING PEOPLE TO THE COMMUNITY ON MY FLASH I HAD A LETTER FROM A FRIEND WHO I JUST BROUGHT TO THE CITY. SHE GOES TO FLORIDA TWO OR THREE TIMES AND SHE HAD NEVER COME TO THIS COMMUNITY. SHE STATED HOW YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF PLACES LIKE THIS SHE MIGHT LOOK INTO OTHER PLACES BECAUSE SHE'S COME TO THE NORMAL ORLANDO TAMPA AREA. IN FACT WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY I HAD NEVER COME HERE BEFORE. SO I JUST WOULD LIKE THE COMMUNITY REMEMBER THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO HELP ENCOURAGE REVENUE TO THE COMMUNITY ENCOURAGE GROWING THE REPUTATION OF THE COMMUNITY AND BEING PART OF THE GROWTH OF FORT PIERCE AND LETTING EVERYONE SEE THE BEAUTY THAT IS AROUND THIS CITY. IN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONS I HAVE MET OR IN THE PROCESS OF MEETING THEM ALL I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH ANY OF THEM. I'VE ORDERED MY GOOD BOOKS.

I HAVE ALREADY APPLIED FOR MY LICENSES SAINT LUCIE COUNTY IS JUST WAITING FOR ME TO GET THE B. THE ARE. FROM HERE.

I HAVE A SITE MANAGER WHO LIVES IN FORT PIERCE READY TO RESPOND TO ANY NEEDS.

AND JUST ALSO THIS WORKS FOR ME TOO. JUST ONE THING I WANT TO SAY IS I PERSONALLY WANTED SOMEPLACE THAT I COULD VACATION RENTAL BECAUSE I AM A PROFESSOR AND FOR ME I'M NOT GOING TO GET A MONTH OFF. I'M GOING TO GET 2 WEEKS OFF HERE. I'M GOING TO GET A WEEK OFF FOR SPRING BREAK.

EVEN A LONG WEEKEND. SO THIS ALLOWS ME TO COME HERE AND ENJOY THE CITY SPEND MONEY IN THE CITY. I DO A LOT OF SHOPPING WHEN I COME.

I TRY TO ENCOURAGE THE ECONOMY EAT A LOT OF FOOD WHEN I COME. I DON'T USE MY KITCHEN WHEN I COME. SO I AGAIN WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO THINK ABOUT THAT WE AS OWNERS INVEST A LOT OF MONEY AND WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRASHED. WE DON'T WANT TO PARTIERS.

I RESPECT WHAT THE GENTLEMEN SAID BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW IT WAS A HOMEOWNER WHO DIDN'T HAVE A PARTY? I MEAN UNLESS YOU HAVE A POLICE IDENTIFICATION HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO CARS ARE PARKED THE WRONG WAY? PEOPLE HAVE PARTIES AND WE HAVE TO STAND TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE SUPPORT YOU KNOW KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY WELL AND I HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT BUT THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS OF ME. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION OUT OF CURIOSITY. YOU SAID YOU NEVER HAD BEEN HERE

UNTIL YOU MADE AN INVESTMENT. WHAT ATTRACTED YOU. >> I'M GOING TO BE HONEST.

NOTHING. BECAUSE I DID NOT KNOW ANY I HAD BEEN TO HUTCHISON ISLAND DAD HA GOOD FRIEND THAT LIVED DOWN IN STEWART ON HUTCHISON ISLAND AND I HAD BEEN HERE BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE IT. PORT ST. LUCIE. I DO TEACHER TRAINING AT PORT ST. LOUIS SEE SCHOOLS. BUT MY REALTOR LIVES HERE AND SHE SAYS THIS IS GREAT

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COMMUNITY. COME. IN ALL HONESTY I BOUGHT IT ONLINE AND NEVER HEARD OF IT AND JUST WAS JUST REALLY PLEASED WITH IT.

BUT NO ONE IN MY AREA KNEW ABOUT IT EITHER. SO THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING WE

WANTS TO BUILD UP THIS HIDDEN GEM. >> MAYBE WE CAN HIRE HER HERE

AND SHE'LL STOP SELLING REAL ESTATE. >> SHE'S HERE TODAY.

I WAS LIKE ANYTHING DEERFIELD AND FORT LAUDERDALE. I THINK SHE DIDN'T WANT TO DRIVE TO GO SEE ALL THOSE HOUSES FOR ME BUT SHE FOUND THIS ONE FOR ME AND IT WAS PERFECT.

I LOVE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OK THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD? AND YOU WERE SWORN IN I BELIEVE AND YOU'VE ALREADY SIGNED IN SO

JUST STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD PLEASE SIR. >> PAUL SHAW FORT PIERCE.

I'VE BEEN WORKING AS A REALTOR FOR 20 YEARS HERE RIGHT IN DOWNTOWN.

AGAIN AS A REALTOR WE MEET THESE PEOPLE HERE AND WE PROMOTE THE CITY AND I'VE BROUGHT IN MANY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY BUYERS AND BEFORE I FORGET I DO WANT TO SPECIFICALLY MENTION THIS PROPERTY HERE. I ACTUALLY DID SELL 2 PARCELS 2 UNITS IN THAT COMPLEX WHICH ONLY HAS 13 UNITS THIS. I DO BELIEVE THE BOARDWALK CONDOMINIUM IS SPECIFICALLY SUITED FOR SUCH A USE BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY 13 UNITS IN THERE. IT HAS QUITE A BIT OF SEPARATION. 2 OTHER PROPERTIES. AND IT DOES NOT HAVE OTHER AMENITIES LIKE SOME BIG PLAYS MAY HAVE. THE AMEN NET I THINK IS ACROSS THE STREET. THE OCEAN. SO THERE YOU HAVE IT.

AND AGAIN THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE A PUBLIC BEACH. YOU HAVE AN OCEAN AND YOU GOT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. THE BEACH BELONGS TO ALL. AND YOU PROMOTE THAT AND ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ALL YOUR LIFE WHILE YOU'RE HERE YOU TALK ABOUT THAT SO YOU'RE TRYING TO BRING VISITORS TO FORT PIERCE AND IT'S TO THE BEACH BEACH. AND THE BEACH YOU HAVE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. YOU HAVE THERE COULD BE A BUSY BEACH ONE DAY.

IT CAN BE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE ALMOST BY MYSELF. OTHER DAYS YOU HAVE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE. THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT.

YOU WANT TO BE BUSY. AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE. I HEARD SOME GOOD NEWS THE MARINA IS FINALLY GETTING THERE'S SOMETHING THERE HAPPENING WITH THE MARINA AND THE HARBOR. THERE'S GOING BE A LOT OF ACTION THERE COMING.

YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THE THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE TONS OF PEOPLE WORKING HERE AND I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOK FOR THESE VACATION RENTALS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE HERE TEMPORARY EMPLOYEES OR MANAGERS THAT WORK WITH THE MARINA WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING. THEY RENT TYPICAL LL CALI 2 WEEKS, 2 MONTHS AND THERE'S A PLACE FOR IT. I KNOW --. IF P AND L HAS PEOPLE THAT WORK 3 MONTHS THERE. WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING? THEY STAY IN THAT KIND OF PLACE.

AGAIN I BET YOU THAT WOMAN DOESN'T WANT 2 DAY RENTALS? WHO WANTS 2 DAY RENTALS 2 DAY CLEANING FEES? NO IT'S GOING TO BE 7 TO 12 PLACE PLUS PROBABLY INTO THE 30 DAY RANGE AND THEY LIKE THAT. I WOULD LIKE IT. WHO WANT TO PAY SOMEBODY TO CLEAN DAILY? ONE DAY I GO AND TAKE A HOTEL BUT 7 DAYS? 10 DAYS? IN COLORADO I WAS RIGHT BELOW SOME APPS HOUSE.

IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. SO KEEP THAT IN MOON.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. AGAIN SIT TOURISM. IT IS YOUR WHAT YOU'RE PROMOTING

AND THESE PEOPLE NEED A PRAISE TO STAY. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE ANYONE ELSE?

I THINK I SAW YOU WERE SWORN IN. >> I WAS. DO I SOON IN.

>> PLEASE. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS GUS. I LIVE IN ZERO ARE BEACH. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TONIGHT. I REALLY CAN'T OFFER ANYMORE ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF THIS PERMIT APPLICATION OTHER THAN THE ON VIEWS USE INCREASE TOURISM FOR THE YEAR INCREASE TAX REVENUES FOR THE CITY STUFF YOU'VE ALL HEARD BEFORE BUT WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO IS TIFFANY'S CHARACTER. SHE HAS 2 BOYS.

BOTH ARE PROFESSIONAL SOCCER PLAYERS. BOTH PLAYING FOR SECOND DIVISION

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PROFESSIONAL TEAMS. HER OTHER SON JORDAN IS AN EDUCATOR JUST LIKE HIS MOTHER.

SHE'S BEEN MARRIED TO HER HUSBAND OF 27 YEARS NELSON. SHE'S THE HOLDER OF MASTER'S DEGREE IN CHILD EDUCATION FROM OAKLAND UNIVERSITY AND IS A FULL PROFESSOR THERE.

SHE'S A SECRETARY TREASURER OF BOARDWALK HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATION WHERE SHE'S PROVING TO BE A FINANCIALLY PRUDENT OFFICER AND WELCOME ACASE SHIN TO OUR BOARD.

HOW DO I KNOW THIS? I OWN 2 UNITS IN THE COMPLEX AND I SEVEN ON THE BOARD WITH HER AS WELL. SHE'S A LANDLORD OF 4 PROPERTIES WHICH I FEEL IS ADDED BENEFIT AND EXPERIENCE FOR ANYONE INTERESTED IN OPERATING A VACATION PROPERTY RENTAL.

I OFFER THIS IN CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL FOR HER AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU >> ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS ON THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD? AND YOU WERE SWORN IN I BELIEVE AND YES ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS JUST STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN.

>> OK. THANKS. >> MICHELLE 7:15 SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE UNIT D. TIFFANY IS MY NEIGHBOR. SHE IS TO THE LEFT OF US.

WE TOO ALSO OWN 2 PROPERTIES IN THERE. THIS PROPERTY IS UNIQUE AS STATED. I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS THAT I'M AWARE OF WITH THE VACATION RENTALS. WE DO HAVE A PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR ONSITE WHO KIND OF KEEPS US ABREAST OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND IF THERE IS ANYTHING WRONG WHATSOEVER HE IS CALLING ME.

AND WHEN HE DOES YOU KNOW WE CALL GUS OR WE KIND OF ALL TRY TOE FIX THE PROBLEM.

YOU KNOW I JUST THINK THAT AGAI. EVERYONE KIND OF HAS THIS WEIRD IDEA OF VACATION RENTALS.

IT IS WORKED REALLY WELL ON THIS PROPERTY. I KNOW IN THE PAST THEY'VE BROUGHT UP LIKE THE WHOLE PARKING PROBLEM. WE HAVEN'T HAD A PARKING PROBLEM AT ALL. WE HAVE SEVERAL GUEST SPACES. YOU KNOW AND THEY'RE JUST HASN'T BUNNY PROBLEMS THAT I'M AWARE OF AS ROUGH PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THERE'S ABOUT 6 APPLICATIONS IN TOTAL ON THIS PROPERTY. WE WERE THE FIRST. AND IT'S JUST SNOWBALLED FROM THERE. AND BUT LIKE I SAID WE DO KEEP A TIGHT EYE ON IT.

MY SPOUSE IS ALSO ON THE BOARD. HE'S A VICE PRESIDENT. AND YOU KNOW I THINK THAT GUS, TIFFANY AND NICK ALL WORK WELL TOGETHER IN TRYING TO YOU KNOW GET RID OF ANY KIND OF PRB HELPS THAT THERE COULD BE AND WORKING TOGETHER TO KEEP THE PROPERTY CLEAN MAINTAINED.

IT'S NOT THE FANCIEST PROPERTY BUT IT DEFINITELY LOOKS NICE. WE TRY TO KEEP IT MAINTAINED.

MANY OF US ALSO HELP IN KEEPING YOU KNOW THE LANDSCAPE AS CLEAN AS POSSIBLE AND PICKING UP THE TRASH EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS THAT RUN THROUGH WITH SCOOTERS.

YOU KNOW THEY USE THIS AS A BYPASS. YOU KNOW BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING WRONG. AGAIN LIKE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS ON ANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I MEAN WE'VE BEEN OPERATING SINCE MARCH AND WE'VE HAD NO ISSUES. SO I'M IN FAVOR OBVIOUSLY OF THE VACATION THEN RENT AM THES.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM -- RENTALS. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME

FORWARD. AND WERE YOU SWORN IN. >> I'M THE LAST ONE.

I WAS. >> WOULD YOU MIND SOON ANYTHING FOR ME PLEASE?

>> SURE. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

SARAH. I'M HERE OBVIOUSLY YOU HEARD THAT I KNOW TIFFANY LONG TIME.

SHE WAS MY PROFESSOR. SO WE GO BACK PROBABLY 10 YEARS NOW.

10 YEARS. I SOLD HER THE CONDO. MY FAMILY IS LONG TIME FORT PIERCE RESIDENCE. WE'VE GOT 60 YEARS BETWEEN US 5 GENERATIONS AND I LOVE IT HERE.

I THINK EVERYONE SHOULD LOVE IT HERE. WE HAVE THE COOLEST STUFF AND WE SHOULD BE DOING MORE TOURIST ACTIVITIES. THIS IS LIKE A HIDDEN GEM WITH ALL KINDS OF COOL STUFF THAT NO ONE GETS TO EXPERIENCE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. SHE'S TRYING TO CHANGE THAT AND I THINK IT'S TOTALLY WONDERFUL.

WE DON'T WANT RIFFRAFF. I'VE INTRO DUDE HER TO A PROPERTY MANAGER IN FORT PIERCE.

SHE HAS HANDYMAN IN FORT PIERCE. I'M IN FORT PIERCE. WE'RE ALL READY AND WILLING TO HELP HER AT A MOMENTS NOTICE. I FEEL LIKE SHE'S BEEN HERE 3 TIMES IN THE THE LAST MONTH.

I MEAN SHE'S BRINGING REVENUE INTO FORT PIERCE HERSELF. SHE MIGHT AS WELL OWN THE CITY.

BUT THERE'S NOTHING BETTER THAN BRINGING NEW PEOPLE IN FRESH BLOOD INTO OUR CITY WHERE WE'RE

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NOT GETTING STAGNANT YOU KNOW THE SAME OPINIONS THE SAME PROBLEMS. WE SHOULD BE BRINGING IN FRESH FACES FRESH BLOOD FRESH IDEAS INTO OUR LITTLE CITY AND RISING UP. EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN MENTIONED ALL THE FANTASTIC THINGS THAT EVERYONE SAID EARLIER BETWEEN TIFFANY, THE OTHER TIFFANY, AND THE PRESCHOOL TOO WHICH I THINK THE FABULOUS SINCE OBVIOUSLY WE BOTH HAVE EARLY EDUCATION DEGREES WE'RE BOTH IN FAVOR OF THAT. SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.

I JUST DID WANT TO SPEAK TO HER CHARACTER AND OUR WILLINGNESS TO MOVE FORT PIERCE INTO A POSITIVE

LIGHT. >> THANK YOU MA'AM APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS. SO WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS OR ENTER TAKEN A MOTION. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> YES I'LL START OFF. THIS PROPERTY MANY MONTHS AGO I THINK WE CAME HERE AND WE HAD A BIG DISCUSSION AND THERE WERE OTHER CONDITIONS ON THAT APPLICATION AND THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE TO COME THROUGH. YOU KNOW SINCE THEN WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF MEETINGS. WE'VE HAD OUR PLANNING BOARD SESSIONS. WE'VE HAD PLANNING STAFF SESSIONS.

AND THEY BRING UP SOME VERY GOOD POINTS. I THINK THAT WE'RE EVOLVING AND CHANGING AND LOOKING AT OUR PROCESS. WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR CODE AND SECTION SHINS AND SEEING HOW WE CAN YOU KNOW ACCOMMODATE ADAPT NOT ONLY OUR RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE FULL-TIME BY THE VACATION SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROCESS AND THAT ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS A 4-1 I BELIEVE IT WAS. I WAS THE LONE DISSENTING VOTE. I DON'T SEE THOSE CONDITIONS HERE. I KNOW STAFF HAS WORKED HARD ON IRON THING OUT SOME DETAILS AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT IT'S LOUD AND CLEAR AND BEING HEARD AND I'LL BE VOTING IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TONIGHT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE MOVING FORWARD ARE WORKING. IT'S JUST LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE LAST APPLICATION.

WE HAVE OUR POLICE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT THAT ARE WORKING HARD TO ASSIST THOSE RESIDENTS AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES WITH YOU KNOW KEEPING OUR CITY CODES IN ORDER AND ENFORCE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO IT'S A PROCESS YOU KNOW I'M THE FIRST ONE TO SAY THAT I'M READY FOR CHANGE AND SOMETIMES YOU VOTE FOR THAT CHANGE. SOMETIMES YOU DON'T.

AND THAT'S WHERE I STAND TONIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> YEAH IT IS. COMMISSIONER. >> I THINK YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. YOU KNOW WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS WE ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT AND RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WOULD KEEP EVERYBODY YOU KNOW IN THE PROPER WAY BUT IT WAS UNTESTED. SO IT WAS REALLY HARD FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

I THINK IT SPEAKS LOUD FOR OUR DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY'RE DOING EXACTLY WHAT WE SAY TO DO.

IN FACT WE EVEN HEARD TONIGHT FROM A RESIDENT THAT WAS IN OPPOSITION THAT SAID YOU KNOW I MEAN BUT YOU HAVE YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEY'RE KEEPING A LID ON THIS TYPE OF THING.

YOU KNOW THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING. WE HAVE PROBLEMS IN OUR PARKS CODE ENFORCEMENT IS THERE NOW DOING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. AND WE'RE RESPONDING TO THOSE THINGS. SO WE REALLY HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT YEAH, THE IDEAS SOMETIMES GET SCARY BUT IT COMES DOWN TO TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER RULE AND

REGULATION AND ENFORCEMENT TO BACK IT UP AND WE DO. >> YEAH.

AND I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS BUILDING AND SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER AND THEY'RE ALL HOPEFUL OF HAVING A VERY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THIS AND OUR CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS IS BEING MASSAGED AND CHANGED AND WE HOPE IMPROVED BECAUSE IT STILL GIVES THE CITY THE RIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE

PROTECTED. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS.

>> AND I'LL SECOND THAT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[d. Quasi-Judicial Hearing for a Conditional Use Approval with no new construction for a Vacation Rental located at 1014 S. 7th Street submitted by the applicant, Michelle Longarzo, for the property owner, Michael Robbins. ]

CONDITIONAL WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A VACATION RENTAL SUBMITTED BY THE

APPLICANT MICHELLE FOR PROPERTY OWNER MICHAEL ROBBINS. >> AND HAS THE ADVERTISING BEEN

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MET FOR THIS ITEM. >> THE ADVERTISING ITEMS HAVE BEEN MET.

>> AND WILL YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EX PARTE XHAGS OCCASION PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER DID YOU HAVE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS REGARDING THIS ITEM.

>> NO, NOT THAT I RECALL. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> MISS LONG GARZ SO AND I HAD A

CONVERSATION. -- SHE STATED THIS WAS COMING. >> COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT.

>> YES TO THE SAME EXTENT. MS. LONG GARZA. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS --

>> I DON'T RECALL. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> NO, MA'AM.

NOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES? >> WOULD ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOU'RE RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. STAFF YOU MAY PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A VACATION RENTAL RENTING FOR 6 MONTHS WITH A MINIMUM OF 2 DAYS.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. IT'S A 2 BEDROOM 2 BATH UNIT JUST UNDER 1900 SQUARE FEET. PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE PINE WOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT IS SITUATED JUST NORTH OF SUNRISE BOULEVARD AND SOUTH OF PARKWAY. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS SURROUNDED BY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS RESIDENTIAL LOW. AND THE ZONING IS SINGLE-FAMILY INTER MEAD YET DENSITY OR R2.

THE ROBBINS VACATION RENTALS IS A CONSIDERATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE TO OPERATE A MINIMUM OF 2 DAYS AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH OUR 5 STANDARD CONDITIONS THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN THE LAST 2 PRESENTATIONS WITH AN ADDITION OF ONE ADDITIONAL CONDITION WHICH I WILL GO OVER. AGAIN AS STATED IN THE LAST 2 PRESENT TAILORINGS SHINS THIS IS OUR BASIS FOR OUR RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON OUR PASSAGE OF ORDINANCE K-11.4 IN 2001 AND LEGISLATURE PASSING THEIR LAWS IN 2011 WHICH PREEMPTS MOST OF THE REGULATIONS FOR THE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT REGULATING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IF THEY DID NOT ALREADY HAVE LEGISLATION IN PLACE LOCALLY.

THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND AGAIN THESE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THIS APPROVAL AS A CONDITIONAL USE TO PROTECT THE

HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE SURROUNDING WHAT BORE HIDE. >> AFTER THE IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE 5 STANDARD CONDITIONS. ONE SPEAKS TO THE REQUIREMENT OF THE PROPERTY MANAGER. ALSO BEING REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

NO. 2 THE GOOD BOOKS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE IN OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO ALL THE RENT TRS OF THOSE UNITS. THE THIRD CONDITION SPEAKS TO THE APPLICANT FILING FOR BOTH A CITY AND COUNTY B. THE ARE.

WITHIN 30 DAYS OF OBTAINING A LICENSE WITH THE STATE -- NUMBER 4 IS THAT THERE IS A MAXIMUM OF 2 PARKING SPACES ONSITE AND NUMBER 5 IS THAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BUSINESS TAX LICENSE SHALL BE NOTICED ON ALL ADVERTISING. THE LAST OF THE CONDITIONS IS NUMBER 6 WHICH IS TO OUR PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR DRIVEWAY IMPROVEMENTS CURRENTLY THE SITE DOES NOT HAVE CITY CODE REQUIRED DRIVEWAY. SO THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO MEET THAT BASED ON CITY ENGINEERING STANDARDS. PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION TO PLANNING BOARD LAST MONTH. ONE OF OUR MEMBERS DID HAVE TO ABSTAIN THERE WERE 3 IN FAVOR AND ONE NOT. WE HAD A SMALL BOARD THAT NIGHT. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTICED. OF 73 NOTIFICATIONS 2 WERE IN FAVOR AND 7 WERE IN OPPOSITION.

THESE ARE THE POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE CITY COMMISSION. EXCUSE ME APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE 6 CONDITIONS APPROVE WITH CHANGES TO THOSE CONDITIONS AND 3 DENIAL OF THE PROPOSED APPLICATION. AND I CAN ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> WAS THIS NOT A PROPERTY THAT CAME BEFORE US ONCE BEFORE? >> YES IT DID.

>> AND WERE THERE PROBLEMS WITH THE BUILDING PART OF IT? AM I REMEMBERING THAT.

>> MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS THE REASON FOR IT COMING BEFORE YOU-ALL IT WAS FIRST IT CAME ABOUT AS A CODE VIOLATION BECAUSE THEY WERE OPERATING THE RENTAL WITHOUT PROPER LICENSE.

SO THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR THE BOTH THE CITY PLANNING BOARD AND COMMISSION THAT THEY WERE NOT ABIDING BY THE RULES AND IT WAS ALSO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A

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SINGLE-FAMILY HOME AND SINGLE-FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND REALLY NOT THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE HAVE TODAY ON OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL LAWS IN THE STATE AND HOW OUR BUSINESS PROFESSIONAL REGULATIONS DEPARTMENT REALLY THE AGENCY THAT REGULATES SHORT-TERM RENTALS WE HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT REGULATIONS OR CONDITIONS ON APPROVAL BECAUSE WE DID HAVE LEGISLATION IN PLACE PRIOR TO 2011. AND THE BOARD THE COMMISSION HAD MENTIONED THE PLANNING BOARD AND PLANNING STAFF WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DIVING DEEPER IN OUR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL AND MAKING THEM MORE ENFORCEABLE BUT WE'VE COME UP WITH 5 STANDARD CONDITIONS.

THE APPLICANT TODAY HAS AFFIDAVIT OF APPROVAL THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RESUBMIT FOR THE SAME APP SCHANGS AFTER 6 MONTHS FOLLOWING

A DENIAL AND SO THAT THE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. >> AND D.B. B ARE.

INSECTS THESE -- IS THAT RIGHT. >> EVERY YEAR THEY DO AN IRV SPECKS SHIN.

ANNUALLY THEY INSPECT THIS PROPERTY. AND ALL OF THEM.

THE CITY WE DO OUR BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT BUT WE DON'T ANNUALLY ISSUE THOSE.

>> RIGHT. >> SO THEN IT GOES INTO MAINTAINING THE CONDITIONS OF

APPROVAL THAT WE IMPOSED ON THEM. >> ALL RIGHTY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE.

I SAW YOU BEING SWORN IN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN IN AGAIN I DON'T THINK.

STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR ME PLEASE. >> MICHELLE LONG GARZ SO REPRESENTING MICHAEL ROBBINS -- THE PROPERTY IS ONE ZERO 1.4 SOUTH 7TH STREET MR. ROBBINS IS HERE TODAY AS WELL. WITH REGARDS TO THIS PROPERTY I JUST WANT TO STATE ON THE RECORD I KNOW THAT I'VE ALREADY SAID THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES IN PREVIOUS BUT I'M JUST GOING TO GO AHEAD AND REMIND. AS YOU KNOW I'M COMPLETELY IN FAVOR OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT THE BINDING INTERPRETATION 179 ON MARCH 3RD 2020 WAS BY THE D.B. P.R. -- WAS IN FAVOR OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THEN ALSO JUST ON THE RECORD AS WELL IS YOU HAVE THE INFORMAL OPINE 8027 AND THAT BASICALLY JUST STATES THAT WE CAN'T REALLY ENFORCE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T DO FOR A NORMAL RESIDENT. SO YOU KNOW LOOK FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU WERE BUILDING A NEW HOME AND YOU KNOW WE CAN'T REQUIRE A NEW HOME TO PUT IN FIRE SPRINKLERS SAME THING WITH A VACATION RESIDENT. THAT'S WHAT THAT SAYS.

THE LAST THING I WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD IS THAT MY CLIENT IS NOT WAVING QUASI JUDICIAL OBVIOUSLY AND THAT HAIL VERSUS HINKLE ALSO STATES THAT IN THE SUPREME COURT RULING SINCE THE U.S. DECIDE TODAY INCORPORATE THAT THEY MUST ABIDE BY ANY OTHER RULES AND REGULATIONS YOU KNOW THAT ANY OTHER CORPORATION WOULD ABIDE BY. SO RULES, CODES, ORALED NANCEES, LOCAL ORDINANCES, POLICIES, EXECUTIVE ORDERS ARE CORPORATE BY LAWS.

SO WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT MR. ROBBINS MAY HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY WE OF COURSE ON THE CONDITIONS NUMBER 1 THE PROPERTY MANAGER HE DOES LIVE IN POLK COUNTY.

I WILL BE ASSISTING HIM IN MANAGING. AS YOU KNOW I LIVE HERE.

SO THAT TAKES CARE OF THE FIRST ONE. THE GOOD BIKE LET'S I HAVE THEM AND I WILL BE HELPING MR. ROBBINS GET SET UP WITH A CORK BOARD LIKE WE HAVE WITH OUR PROPERTY. WE'VE ALREADY STARTED FILING FOR ST. LOUIS SEE.

WE CAN'T GET THE FORT PIERCE B. THE ARE. UNTIL THE REST OF THEM ARE FILED -- WE DID FILE WITH THE D.B. P.R. AND SUN BUSINESS. HE WILL BE LISTED AS SUNRISE CITY VACATIONS L.L.C. THE ADVERTISEMENT I 100 PERCENT SENT AGREE WITH PUTTING EVERY LICENSE THAT'S KNOWN THAT YOU HAVE ON ADVERTISEMENT THAT WAY IT WEEDS OUT ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT LICENSE. . WE PAY OUR LICENSES AND TAXES.

I WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO DO IT -- SO THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY WAS ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. HE'S A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENT.

I CAN'T IMAGINE A TON OF PEOPLE WILL BE RENTING IN THIS SPOT. THAT WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM.

THE ONLY THING THAT IS AN ISSUE TO MR. ROBBINS IS THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE REALISTICALLY HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO THAT BY PROPERTY RIGHTS SO YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSIONS POSITION IS ON IT BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT IMPROVEMENT THAT'S ONE THING OH BUT TO ENFORCE THAT PARTICULAR RULE HAIL VERSUS HIFRPG KELLIE WE CAN'T MAKE HIM. WE CAN'T MAKE HIM CHANGE THE

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DRIVEWAY. I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON HAS I THINK ONE OF YOU GUYS STATED THAT IN A PREVIOUS APPLICATION. I GUESS WE CAN PUT THAT UP FOR DISCUSSION. MR. ROBBINS IS WILLING TO COMPLY WITH MOST EVERYTHING AND YOU KNOW I'M IN REGULAR CONTACT WITH HIM. SO I THINK THERE WON'T BE ANY

ISSUES ON THIS PROPERTY. SO ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE?

WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD >> CITY OF FORT PIERCE RESIDENT.

NOT CITY RESIDENT. FORT PIERCE RESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS AGAIN THERE WAS ONE ITEM I WANTED TO BRING UP. OK.

WHEN PEOPLE BIKE THESE THINGS OBVIOUSLY THEY LIKE AS I HAVE DONE AND YOU HAVE DONE PROBABLY LOOK FOR YOU CHECK OUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOMETIMES YOU CONCERNED WHO COMES IN HERE.

THE CITY HAS YOU WANT TO LOOK GOOD WHEN SOMEBODY GOOD GOALS YOU AND GOOD GOALS THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO SHOWS UP? HOW GOOD DO YOU RATE? YOU KNOW IT'S BASED ON IF YOU RATE GOOD THE PEOPLE WILL WANT TO VISIT AND YOU COME ACROSS ALL KIND OF STUFF ON THE INTERNET OF COURSE NEGATIVE BUT THE BETTER THE CITY HAS IT THE MORE PEOPLE WILL ACTUALLY WRITE TILL LOSE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TOO. IT'S NOT LIKE BAD PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR A GOOD PLACE TO STAY. YOU KNOW. IT'S GOOD PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A GOOD POLICE TO STAY. AND THAT WOULD BE FORT PIERCE. SO JUST YOU KNOW IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. AND I HAVE COMMENTED ON THIS AT THE BOARD REGARDING SIDEWALKS YOU KNOW. SIDEWALKS IF THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED BY THE CITY IN THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE A SIDEWALK LEFT OR RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY I WOULD IMAGINE WHY WOULD YOU FORCE SOMEBODY TO PUT IN 50 FEET OF SIDEWALK THAT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE? THAT WOULD BE REDO YOU UNDERSTAND CAN'T. IF THAT'S IN THE RULE RIGHT NOW I THINK SOMEBODY MIGHT HAVE TO TWEAK THAT UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER REASONS WHY THAT WAS DONE THAT WAY. BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT ALONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE? OK.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR COMMISSIONER?

>> I'M JUST SHOCKED THAT WE DON'T HAVE FOLKS SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION.

THIS IS AN R. . IN R2 WHICH YOU KNOW THE HAIR IN THE BACK OF MY NECK STARTS TO STAND UP BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE MANY BIT DIFFERENT.

I KNOW MAYOR YOU SAID AS FAR AS THE LEGISLATION IS CONCERNED WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT BUT WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS THERE ACCORDING TO STAFF WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS THERE TO MAKE SURE THE IMPACTS AREN'T CAUSING ANY TYPE OF PROBLEMS TO THE HEALTH WELFARE AND SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS BUT I EXPECTED SOMEBODY TO BE HERE TONIGHT SAYING HEY I LIVE NEXT DOOR AND I DON'T WANT THAT HAPPENING NEXT TO ME. IT DOES HELP OUT WHEN WE DO -- DID THEY SHOW UP AT THE PLANNING

BOARD? >> MADAM MAYOR THERE WAS MUCH DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM AND PLANNING BOARD AND I THINK THAT THERE WAS SOME RESOLUTION MADE AT THAT POINT.

JUST BASED ON WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW WHEN IT COMES TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND HOW WE SHOULD BE APPROACH WHY I'VE THE THAT WE HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE.

MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DO NOT AND WE DO. .

>> RIGHT. >> AND I SAW THE RESIDENCE LOOKS REALLY NICE AND THEY'RE INNING.

IT'S TYPICAL -- EVERYTHING. >> TYPICAL OLD FORCE PIERCE. THEY POURED 18 INCHES OF COLUMN ON BOTH SIDES SO THE CAR TIRES CAN JUST FIT ON THAT AS THEY GO ON UP.

JEREMIAH PROBABLY LOOKS THAT BECAUSE OF THE DRAINAGE ISSUES. >> LOTS OF GREEN GRASS.

>> A LOT OF GROAN GRASS. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LOOK AT TOO IT DOES ENCOURAGE FOLKS THAT DON'T LIVE HERE A LOT OF TIMES THEY'LL END UP PARKING ON THE STREET AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL THOSE TYPE OF ISSUES. ESPECIALLY IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

I KNOW I MEAN I DON'T WANT TO SOUND LIKE I'M DEFENDING ANYTHING HERE BUT I DO WANT TO GET AROUND ANY TYPE OF POTENTIAL IMPACTS SO I WAS HAPPY THAT STAFF ADDED THE DRIVEWAY AT LEAST PAVING THAT. IT DOES ENCOURAGE AUTOMOBILES TO BE PARKED ON THE PROPERTY AND

NOT OUT IN THE STREET OR ON THE SIDEWALK. >> MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONER IF I MAY ADD TO THAT. IT IS A CODE REQUIREMENT BUT THE CODE READS THAT THERE IF YOU GOT CITY ENGINEER APPROVAL YOU CAN HAVE ALTERNATIVE DRIVEWAY MATERIAL BUT IT PROVIDES US AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS CODE AND RIGHT NOW

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IT DOES NOT AND IT IS AN ENHANCEMENT TO THE PROPERTY AND IT WOULD ENCOURAGE AND ALMOST SUPPORT THAT THE WAY THE CARS ARE PARKED WILL NOT IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT WILL BE SOME UNIFORM MIGHT I THINK TO THAT DESIGN. >> IT'S A CHANGE OF USE RIGHT?

>> YES, IT IS. >> AND IT'S ALSO NOW A BUSINESS USE.

>> WELL WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING THE WAY WE TREAT IT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SAY CHANGE

OF USE BECAUSE I KNOW EVERYONE GETS ALARMED WITH THAT. >> THAT'S ANOTHER CONNOTATION.

>> THAT IS CONDITIONAL USE TO OPERATE THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS SO WITH THAT WE GO THROUGH OUR CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS MEETING CODE. AND WHERE IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SO SIDEWALKS ARE NOT REQUIRED RIGHT NOW. BUT WITH THIS DRIVEWAY IT IS.

>> ANY OR DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> THE GOOD THING IS THERE'S SIDEWALKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD ON THIS STREET SO WE'RE COVERED THERE.

THE DRIVEWAY IS AN INTRIGUING CONVERSATION. THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS AS YOU SAID. IT COULD BE ILL PER I HAVE USE BREAK PAVE VOIRS OR CONCRETE WHICH IS ILL PER VIE USE WHICH DOES CONTRIBUTE TO MORE WATERSHED NO MATTER WHERE IT GOES. IT'S STILL WATER SHED. BUT IT IS AN ENHANCEMENT.

I WAS WITH YOU MAY YOUR WHEN YOU SAID CHANGE OF USE BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO USE THAT WORD BECAUSE IT IS FRIGHTENING BUT IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT IS A CONSIDERATION.

YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND THE BUILDING CODE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS TRIGGERED BY EYES CHANGES OR DIFFERENT OCCUPANCY LOADS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. ONE THING THAT I DID WANT TO BRING UP AND I DIDN'T HEAR IT TONIGHT IS BECAUSE IT IS AN IN AN R.

2 ZONE SINGLE-FAMILY STYLE -- HISTORICALLY SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES TODAY EGRESS CODE WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO EXIT THE BEDROOM WINDOWS FOR INSTANCE WITH A CERTAIN DIMENSION IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY LIKE A FIRE FOR INSTANCE BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS BEING A DRIVEWAY.

SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PICK UP. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD EDITION.

THE 5 CONDITIONS ARE THERE. THIS IS FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AND WHAT I'VE ANALYZED I SEE IT AS A POSITIVE THING BASED ON WHAT OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE. SO THERE ARE OTHER STEPS IN THE FUTURE THEN AS WE KNOW WE'RE ADAPTING AND CHANGING AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO THE OPTIONS.

>> I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD YOU HAD AN EDUCATIONAL SESSION. >> YES.

WE DID HAVE THAT LAST WEEK AND WE WILL CONTINUE THAT CONVERSATION AT OUR AUGUST.

>> BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS LEARNING RIGHT? EVERYBODY IS LEARNING.

>> WE'RE TWEAKING SOME OF OUR CONDITIONS AND THE BOARD WILL BE COMING TO YOU-ALL WITH A

RECOMMENDATION SO. >> GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE A MOTION? >> MOVE TOE APPROVE WITH THE CONDITIONS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SHALL WE CALL THE ROLL?

>> AND THAT WAS THE 6 STAFF CONDITIONS. >> YES.

[e. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-014 adopting new Code of Ordinances. SECOND READING]

>> OK. NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 20 -- ZERO 1.4 AN ORDINANCE ADOPTING AND ENACTING A NEW CODE FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF CERTAIN ORDINANCES NOT INCLUDED THERE IN PROVIDING A PENALTY FOR THE VIOLATION PROVIDED FOR AMENDING SUCH CODE PROVIDING FOR SEVER GUILTY AND WHEN SUCH CODE IN THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BECOME

EFFECTIVE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. IF YOU'LL SOON IN FOR ME SIR

PLEASE. >> YEAH. AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS

FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. >> CURTIS JOHNSON JUNIOR 1501 NORTH 21ST STREET.

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MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS I RISE AND RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE COMMISSION DEFER THIS ITEM AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT AND TIME. I UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY CLERK AND THE CONSULTANT HAVE DILIGENTLY WORKED ON THIS AND TRYING TO MAKE SOME AMENDMENTS AND CHANGES HERE FOR OVER A YEAR AND THEY'VE WORKED WITH YOU KNOW OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS ETCETERA BUT SOME OF THESE CHANGES PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITY CHARTER AND ORDINANCES ARE OF CONCERN SO I'M SPEAKING OF ITEM 11. HE.

I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ON CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> SO BEFORE THE PUBLIC WE'VE ONLY BEEN GIVEN A COUPLE WEEKS TO LOOK AT THIS AND IT'S 80033 PAGES WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS CHARTER AND ORDINANCE ETCETERA AND I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT WITH THE -- NOT CONCERNED WITH AS MUCH ORDINANCES THEY CAN BE READDRESSED AND ISSUES BUT ANY POSSIBLE MISSTEPS AND AMENDED BY CHARTER WILL HAVE TO BE CORRECTED DID REFERENDUM.

SO THAT'S A CONCERN. MY QUESTION IS WHY IS THERE A RUSH ON THIS RIGHT NOW? THE LANGUAGE HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1957. YOU KNOW I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES A LITTLE MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THIS AND STUDY SOME OF THIS.

AND SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE RUSHES OF THIS. THE SECOND READING ON THIS PARTICULAR THING. I WAS IN THE AUDIENCE WHEN IT BROUGHT UP THE FIRST READING.

I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS I HEARD. AND I DID UNDERSTAND THAT THE FLORIDA STATUE CREATED BY ATTORNEY ALLOWS CERTAIN PRE1973 LIMITING LANGUAGE AND MUNICIPAL CHARTERS TO BE DELETED BY ORDER NAPS. THERE MAY BE A LEGAL RATIONAL BY DELETING LANGUAGE BY ORDINANCE BUT YOU KNOW TO THE COMMISSION SO WHY SO HASTILY BEING RUSHED THROUGH AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE FOR US TO KIND OF HAVE A CHANCE TO LET THE PUBLIC CATCH P WITH THIS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

IT WAS KIND OF SHOCK TOGETHER ME THAT NIGHT AND SO SOME OF THE THINGS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGE IN HERE AND SOME OF THE ORDINANCES WHY IS THE OATH OF OFFICE GOING TO BE COMMISSIONED.

WHY REQUIRING THE ATTORNEY TO BE A MEMBER OF FLORIDA BAR TO BE CROSSED OUT.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ORDINANCES THAT REPLACE THE DEAL HEATED LANGUAGE.

PUBLIC MAY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS AS THEY BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE.

I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP AND MODERNIZE THINGS BUT IT FEELS AS THOUGH IT'S BEING RUSHED. I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC IS AWARE.

AND WHEN YOU START TOUCHING THINGS LIKE THE CHARTER THAT'S A CONCERN.

I JUST WANTED TO COME AND RISE AND BRING THOSE CONCERNS TO YOU ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM 11.

HE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD? SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND TO ENTER

TAKEN DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. >> I'D LIKE TO HEAR A COMMENT FROM OUR ATTORNEY ON THAT ISSUE.

JUST FOR CLARITY. BECAUSE YOU'RE A LOT MORE INCIDENT TIM MEAT WITH THOSE 800

SOME PAGES THAN I AM. >> YES, SIR. MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS.

>> YES, SIR. >> THIS IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ON THE FIRST READING. AND SO 6-166 .02 ONE OF FLORIDA STATUTES AND IT'S CITED THROUGHOUT YOU'LL SEE REFERENCES IN THE NEW VERSION OF ALL OF THIS IF SOMETHING IS CHANGED THERE'S ALWAYS A SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO SAY WHAT WAS THE RATIONAL FOR IT BEING CHANGED.

AND THIS STATUTE SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT CHARTERS THAT ARE PRE1973.

AGAIN THIS IS REFERENCED THE ONLY THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY SUPPOSED TO STAY IN A CHARTER BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S CONSIDERED A LIMITATION ARE SUBJECTS RELATED TO ANNEX SAIGS SHIN MERGER OTHERWISE -- LET ME CONTINUE ON. ANNEX ANNEXATION MERGER THE QUALIFICATION EXISTENCE OF THE MOON NEWS PATTY THE TERMS OF ELECTED OFFICE AND THE MANNER OF THEIR ELECTION EX SKEMENT POOR THIS ELECTION PERIOD. THE DISTRIBUTION POWER.

MR. MATSON: SISTERS DESCRIBED RELATED TO APPOINTING BOARDS. ANY CHANGE IN THE FORMAL GOVERNMENT OR ANY RIGHTS OF MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES IS QUOTE ANY OTHER LIMITATION OR POWER UPON A MUNICIPALITY CONTAINED IN ANY CHARTER ENACTED OR ADOPTED PRIOR TO 1973 IS HEREBY NULLIFIED AND REPEALED. SO THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS A LOT OF THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS IN OUR CHARTER WAS PURSUANT TO THIS STATUTE ALREADY NULLIFIED AND REPEALED. IT JUST WAS STILL IN THERE. AND AGAIN I GO BACK TO WHAT I

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TOOK THE ORIGINAL CHARGE TO BE WITH THIS ENTIRE PROJECT FIND THINGS THAT WERE NOT CORRECT THAT WERE IN CONFLICT WITH STATE LAW STATE CONSTITUTION TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CLEAN SET OF WORKING BONES. NOW IT IS SURPRISING TO SOME PEOPLE THAT THINGS ARE COMING OUT OF THE CHARTER BUT THEY'RE NOT LEGALLY VALID TO BE IN THE CHARTER.

THE SEPARATE PART OF THAT IS OTHER THINGS CAN BE NOW REDUCED TO ORDINANCE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T APPROPRIATELY IN THE CHARTER BUT THEY COULD STILL BE AN ORDINANCE.

SO SOME OF THE OTHER MAUDE FILLING OCCASIONS DUTIES THOSE TYPES OF THINGS HAVE MOVED AND BECOME AN ORDINANCE. SO I KNOW THAT'S MAYBE SYNTHESIZED TO A VERY COMPLEX QUESTION BUT ESSENTIALLY NOTHING WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE CHARTER THAT LEGALLY.

>> BELONGED THERE. >> CORRECT. THAT'S IT IN ITS SIMPLEST FORM.

AGAIN YOU'LL SEE A REFERENCE IF IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN THERE BECAUSE IT WASN'T PROPERLY PASSED IN THE FIRST PLACE BY A REFERENDUM OR B IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN YOU OUT PURSUANT TO THIS STATUTE MAYBE YEARS AGO THAT'S THE REASON. AND TO FOLLOW KNOW JUST BECAUSE I IMAGINE THE NEXT QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE RUSH? IT'S NOT THAT THERE'S A RUSH BUT THIS IS THE PROCESS OF HOW IT WORKS AND WHEN WE CHANGE OVER FROM WHAT OUR OLD CODE LOOKS LIKE TO OUR BRAND-NEW CODE AND WE'VE HAD THINGS IN THE PIPELINE PARTICULARLY WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SIGNIFICANTLY WE HAVE HAD THEM ON HOLD FOR ABOUT 4 MONTHS TO SAY IF THEY ARE AMEND AG SECTION HERE BUT IT'S NOW GOING TO BE NUMBERED OVER HERE IF YOU WILL THEY'VE HAD TO STOP BECAUSE THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH SAYING OK WE'RE AMENDING THE OLD CHAPTER 22 -- 54 WHICH IS NOW GOING TO BE CHAPTER 125 -- 360. SO AGAIN CERTAINLY IT'S THE WISDOM AND PROVISION OF THE COMMISSION TO DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE BUT THAT WAS THE IDEA OF HAVING IT STAGED COORDINATING WITH ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO HAVE THEIR COMMENTS AND I FULLY EXPECT THERE WILL BE CHANGES. I ABSOLUTELY THERE WILL BE CHANGES TO THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THAT WAS THE INTENT. THIS IS NEVER GOING TO BE A FINISHED DOCUMENT EVER. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO CHANGING IT AND BRINGING IT UP FOE MORE

CURRENT DAY STANDARDS. >> THAT SO THAT WAS MY FEELING ON THIS WAS THAT WE WERE CLEANING THINGS UP. WE HAVE THINGS THAT WERE CONTRADICTING ITSELF.

WE WERE DEALING WITH A SET OF RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT JUST DID NOT WORK.

NOW YOU KNOW I WOULD SEE WHERE THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE A BENEFIT TO BE ABLE TO COME IN IF WE WERE MAKING SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO IT BUT WE'RE NOT. THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKE ARING MADE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MADE FOR US IN A LOT OF CASES ALREADY AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS GETTING OUR RECORDS MADE UP RIGHT THE RIGHT AWAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A

BENEFIT BY EXTENDING THIS OR NOT. >> COMMISSIONER ALL LEKS XANDER.

>> YEAH -- ALEXANDER. I ASKED A SIMILAR QUESTION LAST MEETING AND MY QUESTION WAS WHY THE RUSH WHEN WE GOT AN ELECTION COMING AND I KEEP TELLING YOU-ALL THAT 3-2 VOTE IS ON THE EDGE YOU KNOW SO WHY ISN'T IT YOU KNOW BEING CONSIDERED? BUT YOU KNOW NOW YOU WANT TO GIVE A WHOLE ANOTHER DIFFERENT DIRECTION OF EXCUSEES WHAT YOU GAVE LAST TIME.

>> OK. MR. SWEENEY DID I ASK LAST TIME I THOUGHT I DID EACH STAFF

DEPARTMENT REVIEWED WHAT THEY WORKED WITH RIGHT? >> EACH STAFF DEPARTMENT WAS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IN DEMTHS SOME DEPARTMENTS MADE SIGNIFICANT CLEANUPS BECAUSE OF INCORRECT LANGUAGE. SOME DEPARTMENTS DIDN'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD BECAUSE THERE JUST WASN'T MUCH THERE. FOR EXAMPLE I DON'T REAL HE RECALL A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM ENGINEERING. NOW OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MULTIPLE REFERENCES TO THE CITY ENGINEER THROUGHOUT THE CODE. BUT I DON'T SEE JACK IN HERE BUT IT DON'T RECALL MAYBE A SINGLE

CHANGE COMING FROM THE ENGINEERING. >> MY POINT IS IF SOMETHING WAS BEING CHANGED THAT THAT DEPARTMENT WOULD KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO NOW COME UP WITH AN ORDINANCE IF THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT GOING THE WAY WE'VE DONE IT ALWAYS SO THERE'S GOING TO BE

ORDINANCES FOLLOWING THIS RIGHT? >> ABSOLUTELY. I FULLY EXPECT THEY'LL BE MANY

ORDINANCES. >> BUT MADAM MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> YOU KNOW WHAT CONCERN I HAD NO DEPARTMENT HEAD EVEN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SPOKE TO WELL

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NOT THIS COMMISSIONER I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY SPOKE TO OTHER COMMISSIONERS OR NOT BUT I KNOW NO ONE CAME TO ME AND THEY KNOW IF THEY BEEN THERE OVER 2 YEARS THEY KNOW ONE THING I'M ADAMANT

ABOUT THAT I'M THROUGH WITH IT. >> LET ME ASK A QUESTION. >> MR. SESSIONS.

>> I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE ON DID POINT THAT WE HAD A CHARTER THAT WAS JUST DINOSAUR IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE MODERNLY. NOW WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? TO UPGRADE IT SO THAT WE CAN MEET STANDARDS AND CUT OUT THE BUREAUCRACY THAT I CALL IT IN GOVERNMENT AND MOVE TOWARDS GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT? IT'S GOING TO WAR RANT AND IT DID IN FACT HAPPEN WHERE THE CHANGES WERE MADE. AND ACCORDING TO WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS SAYING THE CHANGES WERE MADE WERE CHANGES THAT WERE ILLEGAL OR FORBIDDEN OTHERWISE THESE CHANGES WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE. AND THOSE THAT ARE ISSUES OR THAT MAY BRING UP AN ISSUE THAT MAYBE ADDRESSED WHERE THERE'S A DISCREPANCY OR A PROBLEM THEN THEY CAN DO IT BY WAY OF AN ORDINANCE WHICH I CHARTER OUR CHARTER ALLOWS US TO DO. SO IT'S LIKE STALLING THE INEVITABLE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER OR ANYONE ELSE CAN BRING UP THAT WOULD CONTRADICT OR THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT YOU KNOW MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING BUT IF IT IS THEN SOMEBODY FILL ME IN AND I CAN ASSESS IT FROM THAT RESPECTIVE. BUT IF THERE'S A CHARTER ON THE LEFT SIDE THAT NEEDS AMENDING AND CHANGING MODIFIED OR WHATEVER IF IT'S ULTIMATELY DONE AND THE SEAL OF APPROVAL SAYS ALL THOSE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE BECAUSE THEY ARE IMPROPER IN TERMS OF ILLEGAL OR NOT ENFORCEABLE ANYWAY THEN IT'S JUST A MOVEMENT TO ELIMINATE A BUREAUCRACY FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THE CHARTER WAS ESTABLISHED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A SMOOTH OPERATION AND EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR RIGHTS AS A CITIZEN AS WELL AS OUR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO LEGISLATE THE CHARTER FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE AND ANYTHING IN THE ABSENCE OF DOING SO FROM ANY OF THE PARTIES CAN BE DONE BY WAY OF A CHANGE FROM THE ORDINANCE.

I MEAN DO I HAVE THIS RIGHT OR NOT? >> MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONER

SESSIONS I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT 100%. >> SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT CAN BRING UP SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT STANDS OUT IN THERE MIND NOW I WOULD APPRECIATE IT THAT IT WOULD BE DONE SO WE COULD ADDRESS IT.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> BUT IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT IF WE MAKE A MISTAKE OR THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T CATCH AND WE WANT TO FIX IT IT'S AN EASY FIX.

>> I THINK IT'S A MUCH EASIER FIX BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CLEAN CHARTER SO YOU'RE NOT MIXING 2 THINGS. THE CHARTER IS CLEAN AND THE ORDINANCES IF THEY NEED TO BE

MODIFIED THAT'S WHERE YOU GO. >> CHARTERS LIKE THE CONSTITUTION.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> AND THEN THE ORDER MANSES ARE LIKE SPECIFIC BILLS THAT CARRY

OUT THE CONSTITUTION. >> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

SO. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'LL TO ENTER TAKEN A MOTION.

>> I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> ROLL CALLED]

[f. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-015 - extending the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include 4114 Poinsetta Avenue in Fort Pierce, Florida. FIRST READING]

>> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 20 -- ZERO ONE 5 AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CONTINUE CLYDE 4114 POINSETTIA AVENUE IN FORT PIERCE FLORIDA AND SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A DIRECTING THE ST. LOUIS SEE PROPERTY APRESSER TO ASSESS THAT PROPERTY AND PLACE IT ON THE CITY TAX ROLLS AS OF JANUARY 212021 DIRECTING THE TAX COLLECTOR TO COLLECT TAXES ON THE HERE IN DESCRIBED PROPERTY ESTABLISHING THE LAND USE AND FILING WITH THE

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COURT CIRCUIT COURT OF SAINT LEASE SEE COUNTY DIRECTING MISSOURI VISION TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND DEM GRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING FOR A SEVERE GUILTY AND REPEALING CONFLICT AND PRO IDVOOLG FOR AN EFFECTIVE

DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST MEETING. >> MR. KRIEG AGAIN.

>> GOOD EVENING. BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS AN APPLICATION FOR ANNEX SAIGS SHIN FOR A PIECE OF PROPERTY AT POIB SET THAT AVENUE. THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A COUNTY FUTURE LAND USE OF RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM 9 DWELLING UNITS AN ACRE.

ONCE ANNEX IN FORT PIERCE IT WILL BE GIVEN OUR FUTURE LAND USE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

CURRENT COUNTY ZONING IS RM 5 RESIDENTIAL MULTIPLE TIE FAMILY. ONCE PROPOSED OR ONCE PROPOSED THE ANNEX SAIGS SHIN WOULD BE BROUGHT INTO THE CITY AS AN EGIVE LENT ZONING OF ARE.

4 MEDIUM SENSE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THIS PROPERTY IS PART OF ANOTHER POP PROVIDE THE IS IN THE CITY LIMITS AND THIS ANNEXATION BECAUSE THE PROPERTY HAS HALF

THE PROPERTY IN THE CITY AND HALF THE OUTSIDE. >> THIS IS A VOLUNTARY.

>> YES. AS SUCH STAFF IS RECORD MEANTING APPROVAL OF THIS ANNEXATION AS SIT CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS -- OF THE PLAN POLICY 6-1 POINT 11 REGARDING ANNEX SAIGS SHINS. POSSIBLE ACTIONS BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

YOU COULD APPROVE IT AS STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND PLANNING BOARD VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. OR YOU CAN DISAPPROVE THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION.

I AM AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OK. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

ME PLEASE SIR. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS MARIO WILCOX.

ADDRESS IS 5-227 OAKLAND LAKE CIRCLE. I'M NOT GOING TO BE LONG BEFORE YOU. I PROBABLY BE SHORTER THAN MY 3 MINUTES ACTUALLY.

NOW WE TALK ABOUT ANNEXATION OF THIS PROPERTY. I'M NEITHER FOR MORE TO AGAINST IT BUT I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE BEEN RAISING AN ISSUE ABOUT ANNEXING AND APPLYING TO THE CITY. I WONDER HOW DOES THIS MAKE IT ON THE AGENDA AND NEVER THE

ANNEXATION OF THE PLAZA. >> THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS IN ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ATTEMPTS

TAKEN DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. >> VOTE FOR THE APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>> MAYOR, AND I DON'T KNOW THE GENTLEMEN MUST HAVE READ MY MIND BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. HOW WE COMING ALONG AND I KNOW IN OUR PLANNING SESSIONS WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS IN TERMS OF PUTTING PLACING OUR CITY IN THE DIRECTS SHIN OF MOVING FORWARD WITH ANNEXATION SHINS ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY? COULD WE GET AN UPDATE ON THAT?

>> MAYOR MAY I SMACK. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS WE ARE HAVING A CONFERENCE AGENDA ITEM IN AUGUST WHERE WE WILL BE BRIEFING YOU ON WHERE WE'RE AT WITH OUR ANNEXATION PROCESS. IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTION FROM THE PUBLIC I COULD

DO THAT AT THAT POINT AS WELL. >> OK. SO YOU OPENING YOURSELF UP TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS AUGUST YOU WILL BE THERE TO ENTERTAIN

THE ISSUES? >> WELL, I JUST SAID THAT BECAUSE A MEMBER OF OUR PUBLIC ASKED ABOUT ONE PROPERTY. I CAN'T ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW BUT I WILL HAVE AN ANSWER FOR

YOU AND HIM AT THE CONFERENCE AGENDA. >> YEAH.

NOT SPECIFICALLY THAT BUT THAT INCLUSIVE OF JUST MOVING NORTH IS WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT AND

THAT HAPPENS TO INCLUDE THE NORTHERN SECTION. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE DISCUSSION OF SOUTH BEACH

[a. Discussion of the South Beach Western Peninsula Charrette Report at the request of Commissioner Alexander.]

WESTERN PENINSULA REPORT AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER ALL LEKS XANDER.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES GOOD EVENING. -- MY CONCERN IS DO YOU BY ANY

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CHANCE HAVE THAT LETTER WITH YOU? THAT WAS SENT IN BY MR. SMITH.

>> YES, SIR COMMISSIONER ALEX VANNED -- I BELIEVE THAT LETTER IS ATTACHED TO THIS ITEM.

THERE ARE 3 ATTACHMENTS. I BELIEVE ONE IS THE SURE LET. ONE IS A LETTER -- FROM I BELIEVE MR. SMITH AND ALSO THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING THAT WAS HELD BACK IN 2012.

>> OK. I DON'T WANT ALL THAT READ BUT I SURELY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT LETTER READ INTO THE MINUTES. THAT WOULD CLEAR UP WHAT I'M ASKING.

I'M ASKING FOR STAFF TO CONTINUE TO FINISH TO WRAP UP WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US AS A RESOLUTION I FORGOT WHAT YEAR IT WAS BUT YOU KNOW WE GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION TO READ THAT HAVE THE ON TRAIN I THINK TO REED THAT AND BRING IT BACK ON THAT. MR. MIMS.

>> I DON'T HAVE THE LETTER. >> YES, SIR. >> I THOUGHT MAYBE I LOST YOU.

>> NO, SIR. I DO NOT HAVE THAT LETTER IN FRONT OF ME.

>> I CAN READ IT INTO THE RECORD IF YOU'D LIKE? >>THAT YEAH SHE CAN READ IT

INTO THE RECORD SIR. >> YES. >> DEAR COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER ON SEPTEMBER 172020 THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ADOPTED SURE RIGHT. IN THE MINUTES IT WAS COMMISSIONER SESSION WHO ASKED WHERE DID THEY DO? MR. SAID THE PLANNING STAFF WILL CREATE A RESOLUTION AND BRING THIS PLAN TO THE CITY COMMISSION VIA THE PLANNING BOARD FOR FORMALLY ADOPT AS IT IS PART OF THEIR COMP PLAN. THIS ALSO NOTED THAT COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER CANNED IF THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PRIVATE SIT CONTINUE. MR. SAID IT IS A MUST. MR. THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WAS CALLED TO ACTIVE DUTY AND SUBSEQUENTLY NEVER RETURNED AND THE CITY MANAGER SOON LEFT LEAVING NO ONE TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE RESOLUTION. WHEN THE NEW CITY MANAGER WAS HIRED AND THE NEW PLANNING DIRECTOR CAME ONBOARD THEY DID NOTE CONSIDER THIS A PRIORITY AND THEREFORE PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER. IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHEN A NEW CEO COMES ON THE BOARD IT'S UP TO HIM TO COME MOTOR UNFINISHED PROJECTS OTHERWISE THE BUSINESS CANNOT MOVE FORWARD. SIT WITH MY SINCERE REQUEST THAT THE CITY MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLANNING STAFF TO CREATE A RESOLUTION AN BRING THIS PLAN WITH THEIR ANALYSIS OF IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN TO CITY COMMISSION FOR A FORMAL ADOPT AS IT IS PART OF THE COMP PLAN AS RECOMMENDED BY THEN PLANNING DIRECTOR MR. MARCH GATT THAT OTHERWISE THIS WILL BE

UNFINISHED BUSINESS SINCERELY HAROLD H BUZZ SMITH. >> AND THAT GOES TO MY POINT OF

QUESTION MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> IS THAT WHY IS IT THAT WE DON'T COMPLETE BUSINESS THAT THE CITY VOTED FOR? THE COMMISSIONER SENT OUT EXPECTING THAT TO COME BACK AND MR. BEEN GONE QUITE A FEW YEARS NOW.

SO I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I WAS ASKED A QUESTION AND I'M ASKING A QUESTION.

SO I'M TRYING TO SEE IF I CAN GET AN ANSWER. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> MR. MIMS. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER THE LEADERSHIP THAT ACTUALLY HEARD AND MADE THIS SURE LET REPORT POSSIBLE THIS WAS ABOUT 2 GENERATIONS BEFORE ME SO WHAT I'M GOING SAY TO YOU AT THIS TIME IS THAT EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A STRATEGIC PLANNING AND THE CITY COMMISSION SITS TOGETHER AND THEY DETERMINE WHAT DIRECTION WHAT ITEMS WHAT ACTION ITEMS WHAT STRATEGIC GOALS WHAT INITIATIVES THAT WE CARRY FORWARD AND WE COME MEET IN THE UP COMING YEAR. I WOULD BE HAPPY SIR TO INCLUDE THIS AS ONE OF OUR STRATEGIC INITIATIVES IF THIS COMMISSION SEES FIT TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION.

WE I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISHED SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS AS PRESENTED IN

THAT SURE LET REPORT. THER >> YES, SIR.

>> I DON'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF BUT THIS WAS VOTED ON RIGHT? THIS IS NOTHING THAT CAME OUT OF OFF THE SHELF. THIS WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS VOTED ON 5 TO ZERO ROY YOUR I

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UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHAT WAS READ. BUT NOW WE GOING TO PUT IT OFF

ANOTHER YEAR OR 2? BECAUSE WHY? >> MADAM MAYOR COULD I SAY

SOMETHING. >> MR. SESSIONS. >> YOU KNOW WHAT MAKES THIS A VERY VERY VERY SIMPLE PROCESS IS WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE MINUTES BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MINUTES THAT THE CLERK JUST READ WE WOULD BE SO DISCOMBOBULATED RIGHT NOW BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S OLD IT WAS VOTED ON. IT WAS DECIDED.

AND IN THE ABSENCE OF SOMETHING BEING AMENDED MODIFIED IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE AND ACTUALLY IT'S A HINDRANCE TO THE LANDOWNER BECAUSE IF IN FACT HE HAS END DE VERSE THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE -- ENDEAVORS WHATEVER HE DECIDES SELLING IT DEVELOPING IT OR WHATEVER CAN YOU IMAGINE THE IMPACT OF A RESOLUTION IN FURTHERANCE OF A SURE LET THAT WE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY AND TIME ON THAT THE CITIZENS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SOME INPUT ON AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST WE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS VOTED TO SACKS SEPTEMBER IT -- ACCEPT IT WE NEED TO PUT IT IN PLACE AND ACTUALLY WE OWE HIM AN APOLOGY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU BECAUSE OUR WORD IS OUR WORD AND OUR WORD SHOULD BY OUR BOND AND IN THE ABSENCE OF US KEEPING OUR WORD THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH GOVERNMENT. SO UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE THAT'S THE POSITION THAT I TAKE AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY ANYTHING THAT COULD BE TO THE CONTRARY OR THAT'S JUSTIFIED IN CHANGING WHAT WE VOTED ON AND THAT WAS A RESOLUTION.

ANYBODY KNOW. >> YEAH. I REMEMBER THE PROCESS.

IT WAS A LOT OF EXCITEMENT. I ACTUALLY YOU KNOW WHEN I CLOSED MY EYES I SAW THE BUILDING AND HOW THINGS WOULD BE MOVING OUT THERE AND THEN IT JUST GOT YOU START THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE CHANGING CITY HALL AND YEAH SOMEBODY DROPPED THE BALL.

THE ECONOMY WENT LEFT. AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT WENT ON THERE IT ALL HINGES AROUND MOVING THE WAIST WATER PLANT HINGES. THAT WAS THE NUMBER 1 THING THAT CAME OUT OF THE SURE LET WAS THAT NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED -- AND THE CONDITIN WAS WE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. SO WE'VE NOT FOOD FUNDING AND WE HAVE THIS BEAUTIFUL PLAN.

WE HAVE A GOOD PARTNER WITH MR. DE52S SISTER AND THE COUNTY WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IS MOVING THAT WEIGHS WATER FACILITY.

AS YOU WELL KNOW, MAYOR, BECAUSE IT IS A FUNCTIONAL FACILITY. IT'S COULD LAST THERE FOR ANOTHER 50 YEARS WITH AND STILL PROVIDE LOW COST SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS OR TO THE RIGHT PAYERS.

THAT'S NOT THE ISSUE ANYMORE. I WILL SAY THAT THIS HAPPENED BACK IN 2012 I THINK.

SO 8 YEARS HAVE GONE BY. WHERE ARE WE? I THINK WE'RE CLOSER AT TALKING ABOUT MOVING THAT WEIGHS WATER PLANT NOW THAN EVER BEFORE. I KNOW WE'RE ALL MEETING WITH.

IF P U.A. -- I KNOW THE COUNTY IS COMING ONBOARD. THEY'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ALL THE PROPERTY AROUND THERE. I MEAN IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT BEING DEVELOPED IN SOME MAIN WAY MAJOR WAY THEY'RE DEFINITELY A STEAK HOLDER IN THIS.

>> LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PICTURE YEAH. >> SO YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO I APPRECIATE WHAT HAS BEEN SAID. I DO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE MOVED FORWARD ON IT I THINK WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON MOVING THAT WEIGHS WATER PLANT AND DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DO THIS. I THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MAY BE IN A BETTER POSITION MAYBE NOT NOW BUT I'M THINKING BACK IN JANUARY I WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO FIND SOME FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT SOLUTION FOR THIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW A NUMBER THAT IS ANYWHERE FROM 100 TO 150 MILLION DOLLARS TO MOVE THIS WAIST WATER PLANT. WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION COMING ONE THE COUNTY ON THAT AND WHERE AT LEAST TO GET THE WHERE AND THE IDEA GOING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL SAIGS SHIN AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT MAYBE IMPORTANT KEY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS OFF THE ISLAND. I'M STUCK WITH THAT. I REALLY AM STUCK WITH THAT.

I'D LIKE TO SEE A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN BUT LET'S GET REAL. NOTHING IS GOING TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION UNTIL WE MOVE THAT WEIGHS WATER PLANT OFF THE ISLAND.

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>> RIGHT. >> YES. >> WELL, I WANTED TO JUST POINT OUT THAT WHAT I REMEMBER ABOUT THE SURE LET -- IS THAT IT WAS ALL BASED ON THE 2 PROPERTIES TOGETHER WHERE THE WAIST WATER TREATMENT PLANT WAS AND MR. DIE 52S SISTERS PROPERTY AND -- ALSO IT REQUIRED MOVEMENT AND CITY COMMISSION TO REMOVE THE WAIST WATER PLANT.

I THINK THAT WE HONESTLY HAD DIDN'T WE HAVE RIGHT AFTER THAT FORT PIERCE WE DID THAT AND NOW THE COUNTY AND THE F P U.A. HAVE PAID FOR A STUDY AND BY THE WAY THE F P U.A. HAS PUT IN $20 MILLION INVESTMENT TOWARD THE MOVING OF THE WAIST WATER TREATMENT PLANT.

SO PORTIONS OF THIS HAVE BEEN MOVED AND HAVE BEEN ACCOMPLISHED BUT I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS HE NEEDS TO HAVE VALUE FOR HIS PROPERTY AND WITH THE WAIST WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S A HAMPER ON THE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST

PROBLEM. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. AND YOU ARE SAYING EVERYTHING THE PROPERTY OWNER IS SAYING. I THINK YOU ALL AGREE. HIS MOTIVE IS TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST STATED YOU AGREE THAT IT IT SHOULD BE MOVED.

EVERYBODY UP HERE ON THE TABLE AGREES THAT'S SHOULD BE MOVED BUT WE KNOW HOW GOVERNMENT WORKS. A RESOLUTION WILL GIVE IT SOME TEETH IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT

IT'S MOVED. >> WE ALREADY HAVE THAT THOUGH. WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THAT

RESOLUTION. >> BUT IT HASN'T BEEN ADOPTED AND PASSED.

>> IT HASN'T BEEN FILED >> WE HAVE ADOPTED A RESOLUTION TO MOVE THE WAIST WATER

TREATMENT PLANT. >> SO WHAT'S THE ISSUE. >> IF THE LETTER WHAT ARE WE

SHORT OF NOW. >> YES, SIR. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND THEN

COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> WHAT I READ INTO IT WHAT WE'RE SHORT OF IS WE WENT THROUGH THE SURE LET THE COMMISSION ADOPT TODAY SURE LET. I THINK 3 OF YOUR WERE PRESS SEPTEMBER. WHAT WE DIDN'T TAKE FROM THE STAFF OR COMMISSION LEVEL WHICH IS IF NEXT LEVEL WHICH GOES PLANNING AND COMMISSION WHICH IS A RESOLUTION SCHWINN FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE -- CHANGES IN THE COMP PLAN TO BE AMENDED TO ADOPT THAT PLAN INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER IN MY READING AND MY NOTES AND I THINK

SOME OF THE ITEMS. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO THAT'S STARTS A WHOLE ANOTHER PLANNING PROCESS THAT GOES TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND COMES BACK TO US AND GOES TO

PLANNING AND PUBLIC HEARINGS. >> DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY DECIDE.

>> DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DECIDE WHAT THE PUBLIC TELLS US TO DECIDE.

>> RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT. >> SO AT THIS POINT IT SEEMS LIKE IT CAN RUN PARALLEL WITH THIS WHOLE PROCESS OF MEETING WITH THE COUNTY MEETING WITH THE U.A. ALL THE AGREEMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. I CALL IT THE BLESSING IN DISGUISE BECAUSE THAT RESOLUTION MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE PUSHED US TO GET WHERE WE ARE TODAY. SO THAT'S MY TAKE ON THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS FAR AS NEXT STEPS.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER AND THEN COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT.

MR. ALEXANDER. >> WELL, YES WHAT MY CONCERN IS THAT WE VOTED ON AN ITEM AND WHEN I VOTE ON AN ITEM IT'S LIKE GIVING MY WORD AND I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THAT FIGHT BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS IF I GIVE A PERSON MY WORD THEN I MEAN FOR IT TO BE SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THAT AND NOT 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY AND HAVE TO SAY BECAUSE IF YOU DIDN'T VOTE ON IT THEN YOU DON'T HAVE A SAY ON IT.

I'M THROUGH. >> COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT. >> AND ALSO -- I MEAN I DON'T

KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER OR NOT SOME OF YOU WEREN'T HERE. >> I WATCHED IT.

>> SOME OF YOU WEREN'T HERE BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE ALSO MADE A RESOLUTION WITH THE OWNER MR. DE52S SISTER -- ON THAT PROPERTY AND THAT WAS OUR COMMITMENT TO WALK IN STEP WITH THEM AND TRY TO DO THIS TOGETHER AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY KEY AND YOU KNOW AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT OVER THE YEARS EVEN THOUGH WE MAY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH ON ALL THAT I WILL SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF CAUSEWAY COVE HAS BEEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S STILL I THINK KEEPS THE RESOLUTION AT HEART BECAUSE NONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THERE ARE LONG LASTING.

I MEAN I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THEY'RE LONG LASTING BUT IF WE WERE ABLE TO CHANGE THIS IN THE

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NEXT YEAR OR 2 YEARS THE INVESTMENTS THAT OUR PARTNERS PRIVATE PARTNER HAS DONE I THINK CAN BE CHANGED TO THE POINT WHERE IT ISN'T GOING TO COST A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IN CHANGE THAT GO OVER TO A LARGE SCALE PROJECT SO THAT HAS HAPPENED ALSO.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT. >> MAYOR.

>> YES MR. JOE AND SON. >> IT PARALLELS -- THE CONVERSATION THE UTILITY HAS DONE AND PLANNING AND SETTING UP THE FUTURE FOR NEW WAIST WATER TREATMENT WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED THE BOARD AND STAFF COMMITTED THEMSELVES FROM GETTING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THE SOUTHWEST SECTION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND SO THAT'S THERE TOO AND THAT'S TAKEN A LOT OF TIME.

YEAH 8 YEARS IS A LONG TIME WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT THE DATE OF WHEN THIS WAS YOU KNOW ADOPTED IT WASN'T REALLY ADOPTED. I GUESS IT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE COMMISSION.

>> YEAH. >> IT WAS ACCEPTED THE REPORT WAS ACCEPTED.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT RIGHT. >> SO HOST TO ARE THOSE NEXT STEPS. I HEAR IT LOUD AND CLEAR. WE'VE GOT SOME ALL RIGHT.

WE'VE HAD SOME FOLKS WE'VE HEARD THEM IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND LAST FEW YEARS SAYING ALL RIGHT IT'S TIME NOW. LET'S MOVE AHEAD. SO I AGREE

>> THAT'S WHERE THIS MONEY HAS BEEN AT. CITY OF FORT PIERCE HASN'T SPENT A DOOM AND IT'S SAD THAT WE AS A CITY EXPECTING DEVELOPERS TO COME TO THIS CITY AND YOU KNOW WE JUST TURN OUR BACKS ON THEM BUT I'M HERE TO JUST BRING FORTH A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED OF ME DO YOU REMEMBER I SAID YES, I REMEMBER BUT YOU KNOW FOR ME TO SIT HERE AMONGST MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY MAKING EXCUSEES ABOUT WHAT A 5-0 VOTE COUNTED FOR AND NO ONE SEEMS TO REMEMBER. BUT YOU KNOW AGAIN WE OUGHT TO GIVE THAT DEVELOPER SOME TYPE OF ANSWER JUST OUT OF RESPECT. I TOLD HIM I DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIM BECAUSE THAT 3-2 VOTE KICK US OUT THE DOOR EVERY TIME. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, IF THE PROCESS INVOLVES NOW TAKING IT TO THE PLANNING AND THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND SEQUENTIALLY I MEAN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE AT THIS STAGE IN ORDER TO FULFILL OUR PROMISE I DON'T THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD CHANGE OR MITIGATE THE SITUATION BECAUSE THE SAME PEOPLE THE U.A. AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TOY VOICE THEIR OPINION THEN AND WE SAT THERE AND WE SPENT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME AND LISTENED TO IT AND THE MERE FACT THAT HALF WAY DONE THE FIELD THEY DECIDE THAT THEY WANT TO GO OFF TO THE SIDELINES THROW IT TO THE RECEIVER AND GET IN THE END ZONE THAT'S NOT MY CONCERN.

MY CONCERN IS TO FULFILL WHAT WE DECIDED IN THE HUDDLE LONG TIME AGO AND GET IT ACCORDING TO THE PLAN THAT WE PROMISED THAT WE WERE GOING TO DO IT AND GET IT IN THE END ZONE.

SO WE ALL WANT THE SAME END RESULT BUT I MEAN IT JUST DOESN'T SEND OUT A GOOD MESSAGE TO SET PRECEDENCE WHERE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS OR PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THAT MATTER IF YOU DON'T WERE IT TO BE THAT POINT NOW BUT I CONSIDER DEVELOPER WHERE WE SPEND MONEY ON SURE LET'S AND THING LIKE THAT TO FULFILL -- WHAT THE PLANS ARE BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO US ANYWAY. THERE'S SO MANY PROPERTY RIGHTS THEY CAN PRETTY MUCH DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY BUT IF THEY ALLOW GOVERNMENT MEANT TO CONSIDER THE PUBLIC'S CONSIDERATION AS TO WHAT THE PLANS ARE I THINK WE'RE IN A FORTUNATE SITUATION.

WE DON'T NEED TO START ABUSING THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS. LET'S ADD HERE TO WHAT WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO AND ENJOY THE PRIVILEGE OF DOING SO AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOOD FROM MY PERSPECTIVE TO CHANGE HALF WAY DONE THE FIELD.

SO THAT'S MY POSITION ON THAT. >> SO WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION.

>> MADAM MAYOR. MR. MIMS TALKED ABOUT STRATEGIC PLANNING.

>> YES I DON'T WANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD EITHER BUT I DO NEED INPUT ON HIM ON STATS PARTICIPATION THEIR LEVEL OF INVOLVEMENT IN OTHER PROJECTS THAT AT THIS POINT THAT WE HAVE ASSIGNED TO THEM BECAUSE WE DID GO THROUGH A LENGTHY STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.

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I WOULD LIKE A REPORT ON HOW WE COULD FIT THIS IN AND HOW WE CAN KEEP IT GOING.

I KNOW YOU CAN SAY YEAH WE CAN KEEP IT GOING AND DO IT BUT FOLKS HAVE TO SLEEP TOO.

I GET THAT. BUT RUNNING PARALLEL IF WE NEED TO ASSIGN SOMEONE OR WHATEVE IT MIGHT BE TO TAKE THOSE NEXT STEPS AND TO GIVE US A REPORT ON THE PLANNING PROCESS THE COMMISSION PROCESS THE CORPS PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS AND WHAT'S THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE

IN PARALLEL WITH WHAT YOU'VE BEEN ASSIGNED ALREADY. >> AND BY THE WAY COVID TOO.

>> MAYBE THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME. MAYBE THIS IS WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AND SO OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE HEARING I HEAR THAT THE COMMISSION WANTS THIS FOR SURE ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR NEXT YEAR WHEN WE START DRAFTING NOT THAT WE'VE OMITTED IT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT IT EVERY YEAR BUT

WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT SPECIFIC TO THE SURE LET. >> BUT WE TALKED -- ABOUT MANY

OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THERE YES. >> SO THIS IS A NORMAL PLANNING PROCESS. DOES IT COME UP MIDYEAR SOMETIMES? YEAH IT DOES. SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND. I NEED TO HEAR THAT INFORMATION.

>> OK. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON JUST TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION OF COURSE SIR WE CAN ALWAYS FIT THIS INTO OUR DAILY AND ALSO SFRAT TEIGE JIBBING WORK PLAN -- STRATEGIC WORK PLAN AND LOAD. JEN DOESN'T SLEEP. SHE TEXTS ME CALLS ME WHENEVER

SHE HAS AN IDEA. IS SHE WORSE THAN ME. >> YES SHE IS WORSE THAN YOU.

BUT NO WE CAN DEFINITELY GET THIS DONE BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS PIECEMEAL. YOU-ALL HAVE ALREADY TOLD US THAT ONE OF YOUR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES IS TO RELOCATE THE WAIST WATER TREATMENT PLANT FROM THE ISLAND TO THE MAIN LISTENED.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON EVERY YEAR. AND MR. TOM PACK IS HERE.

HE CAN SPECK TO THAT AS WELL. THE COUNTY IS VESTED IN THERE. WE'VE HAD A WAIST WATER TREATMENT RELOCATION COMMITTEE THAT SPOKE YOU TO AND A GIVE A REPORT ABOUT.

THIS I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A JOINT CITY. IF P U.A. MEETING -- AUGUST THE 13TH THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING HOPEFULLY THE FINALIZATION SHIN OF THE RELOCATION BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING IF THE PLANNING STAFF CAN PUT THIS THROUGH THE PROCESS TO LOOK AT THE PLANNING ASPECT FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION THE ANSWER IS DEFINITELY YES. NOW IT WON'T HAPPEN WITHIN THE NEXT I SAY 90 DAYS. THERE'S A CERTAIN PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW AND SOME THINGS ARE ALREADY FROM THE CUE THAT HAVE BEEN BACKED UP FROM THE COVID-19 SITUATION.

SO I CANNOT GIVE YOU A DIFFERENT AT THIS POINT GIVE DATE AT THIS TIME BUT I BELIEVE THAT JUST CONSERVATIVELY -- I WOULD SAY OVER THE NEXT 4-6 MONTHS THAT WE COULD HAVE SOMETHING TO YOU THAT YOU ALL CAN HAVE AN ULTIMATE DECISION UPON FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

>> THAT KIND OF PROCESS IS A LONG PROCESS ANYWAY. >> YES.

>> NOT JUST FOR THIS BUT FOR ANYTHING FOR ANYTHING. >> YES.

>> YEAH. >> WELL MAYOR MAY I SAY OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE DEVELOPERS JUST SEND THEM SOME TYPE OF LETTER THE MAYOR OR CITY MANAGER OUT OF RESPECT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT --

>> AND I AGREE WITH CONSIDERING THIS MOVING IT FORWARD BUT THE 8 YEARS ARE BOTHERING ME A LITTLE BIT. WE HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD AND KIND OF REDEFINED A LOT OF WHAT FORCE PARTY IS AND I'M WONDERING LIKELY KNOW -- FORT PIERCE. I KNOW IT HAS GREAT BONES.

WE MAY NOT EXACTLY DO SOME OF THIS STUFF MAY BE OUT OF WHACK ALREADY MAYBE THE TIME SOMETHING GONE. THE INTENTIONS ARE GOOD. AND THAT'S THE PART THAT I'D LIKE STAFF TO BE ABLE TO SAY YOU KNOW WE UNDERSTAND THE CHARACTERISTICS AND THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE COME FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND WE THINK WE CAN PRESERVE THEM AND HERE'S HOW WE CAN PRESERVE THEM AT TODAY'S ISSUE. EVEN THE CLEAR AMOUNTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WHEN YOU READ THROUGH THIS THING WOW IF WE COULD DO IT FOR THAT LET'S JUST

DO IT. >> YOU KNOW WHAT I NOTICED IS THAT THEY SAID IN THAT REPORT

THAT SEA WAY DRIVE HAD EXCESS CAPACITY >> THINGS HAVE CHANGED.

>> RIGHT. >> SO IT IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK IF WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE THE WAIST WATER PLANT OFF THE ISLAND 5 YEARS AGO THIS WOULD BE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOP PRIORITY AND THAT'S ALL WE WOULD BE DOING FROM THEN ON. IT'S REALLY HARD WHEN WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER ISSUES TO DO TO BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN FOR 5 YEARS OR 10 YEARS BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT.

>> IT PUTS IT ON EVERYBODY'S RADAR. >> SO I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO AT

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LEAST TAKE A FIRST LOOK AT IT IF IT'S NOT 90 DAYS OR 10020 DAYS TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE REPORT ITSELF AND TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF TRANSLATE IT INTO 2020 TERMS AND TO BE ABLE TO GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE CHARACTERISTICS COME FORWARD AND SAY HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD EXPRESS TO THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THIS THING RELEVANT FOR NOW. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS NECESSARILY RELEVANT IN THE STATE THAT IT IS. I NEED IT RELEVANT BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND MOVE IT FORWARD THE FASTEST WE

CAN POSSIBLY CAN. >> WE DON'T HAVE A PRECONCEIVED IDEA OF WHAT THE STAFF IS GOING

TO COME BACK WITH OR ANY KIND OF RECOMMENDATIONS. >> WE NEED TO MAKE OURSELVES FAMILIAR WITH THIS. WHICH NEED TO BE ABLE TO WHEN WE DRIVE BY THERE WE'RE ADVICE CONTINUING ONE OF BUZZ CY APPS EVENTS YOU KNOW WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AROUND.

WE GET IDEAS OF WHAT'S HAPPENING AND TAKE THIS ON IN BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO

HAPPEN AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW SOONER THAN LATER I THINK. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE HAVE A RESOURCE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US AT ALL TIMES REGIONAL COUNSEL. WE JUST VOTED ON THE BUDGET REVIEWED THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. THERE ARE BUDGET DOLLARS THERE FOR PARTNERSHIPS JUST LIKE THIS.

SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE SURE LET DIGEST THE INFORMATION THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL STAFF DOES A TECHNICAL AND PROFESSIONAL REVIEW ALONG WITH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF. THEY LIKE AT THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ASPECTS.

THEY CALL THE T P.O. AND STAFF OF THE T P.O. AND -- PULL ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED WHAT THE COMMUNITY SAID BRING IT INTO 2020 TERMS AND WE CAN MOVE

FORWARD WITH IT. >> THEY HELPED US WITH KINGSLANDING.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. SO THAT'S A VERY VALUABLE RESOURCE AND ACTUALLY JUST BECAUSE I HAD THE MEETING THIS PAST FRIDAY AND IT WAS VIRTUAL MEETING SO IT WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BUT IT WAS GOOD BECAUSE IT ADDRESSED ISSUES AND PROJECTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE.

SO I I THINK THAT'S A GOOD STEP. >> SO I JUST WANT TO LEAVE WITH A DELIVER BL ON ALL THIS STUFF.

WE KNOW THAT IT'S OUT THERE 90 DAYS -- OR 120 DAYS. MR. MIMS WHAT DELIVER BL DO YOU

THINK THIS COMMISSION IS GOING TO GET? >> WELL, I THINK WE'RE HEARING WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LOOK AT 2012 SURE LET REPORT. WE WILL ANALYZE THAT AND COMPARE IT TO 2020 CONDITIONS AND THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD FOR THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS.

IF THAT IS WHAT I'M HEARING THEN THAT IS WHAT WE WILL DO. >> AND THERE MAY OR MAY NOT BE A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. JUST WHATEVER THE STAFF AND BOARD AND WE ALL DECIDE.

I MEAN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I AGREE MAYOR EXCEPT NOT TOO MUCH HAS CHANGED ON THE TWO PARCELS. THE ONLY VARIABLES THAT I'VE SEEN AND I'VE ONLY HEARD IT MORE THAN I'VE SEEN IT IS DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY APPS PARCELS WHICH IS A BIG CONTRIBUTING FACTOR AND HOW DOES IT TIE INTO THIS SURE LET REPORT LIKE YOU MENTIONED COMMISSIONER.

THEY'RE THE LARGEST LANDOWNER IN THAT WESTERN TOTAL WESTERN PENINSULA.

BUT YOU JOIN ALL 3 OR ALL 4 OF THOSE AMENITIES RIGHT THERE AND YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING PRETTY

SUBSTANTIAL. >> UH-HUH. >> SO AND SEE HOW IT GOES FROM

THERE. >> I'M JUST SAYING IF THE WAIST WATER TREATMENT PLANT IS THE --

ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. >> RIGHT. I WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT. WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT DEVELOPERS AND REMEMBER THAT DEVELOPERS APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE A WAIST WATER TREATMENT PLANT WHERE WE DO WITH EXCESS CAPACITY BECAUSE ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS SAY WELCOME TO THE CITY OF FORCE PIERCE. MR. TOM PACK KNOWS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE. HERE'S YOUR APPLICATION TO SIGN UP FOR WATER AND SEWER SERVICES ALONG WITH GAS INTERNET WHATEVER ELSE.

IT'S THERE AND IT'S AVAILABLE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.

WE'RE NOT STRUGGLING WITH OH MY GOODNESS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO DESIGN A WAIST WATER PLANT BECAUSE IT TRIGGERS THE D. HE P SAYS WHEN YOU GET TO 60, 70, 80% -- YOU HAVE TO HAVE ALL THIS IN PLACE AND DESIGN AND OH BY THE WAY YOU BETTER BRING YOUR BANK ACCOUNT BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD A NEW PLANT NOW. AND IT'S DRIVEN BY DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. IT'S DRIVEN BY COMMITMENTS TO SERVICE.

AND WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE'RE GETTING THERE. SO.

>> BUT WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. WE NEED A CHECK BIKE. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> WE'RE NOT THERE YET. >> WE'RE NOT THERE YET. YEAH RIGHT.

>> WE'RE ALMOST THERE. >> MR. MIMS. >> MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF

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THE CITY COMMISSION AT THE COMPLETION OF THE FIRST STEP WOULD YOU-ALL LOOK TO RECEIVE AROUND INTERIM REPORT FROM CITY STAFF AND ALSO ANY OTHER EXTERNAL STAFF POSSIBLY REGION TREASURE COAST REGIONAL TRAVEL COUNCIL FOR AN UPDATE OF THIS SURE LET REPORT --

>> I THINK SO. >> IT'S A LIVING DOCUMENT SOY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT BLOSSOM.

>> OK. WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION.

>> AND ALSO VERY IMPORTANT KEEP THE APPLICANT SLASH LANDOWNERS ANY DEVELOPER IN THE LOOP BECAUSE I MEAN A LOT OF TIMES WE CAN ELIMINATE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IF WE BE MORE INCLUSIVE THAN EXCLUSIVE. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S A KEY PLAYER.

THE PERSON THAT OWNS THE LAND. YOU NO THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN PRECEDENCE FOR THE MOST PART OVER ANYONE ELSE FOR CONSIDERATION. I MEAN WE CAN TAKE IT THROUGH THE GOVERNMENTAL BUREAUCRACY AND MAKE A DECISION BUT WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT -- IMPACT DEVELOPERS LAND AND TRUE ENOUGH I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SEEING SAYING COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ABOUT BEING EFFICIENT AND THE FACT THAT DEVELOPERS COME HERE AND THEY SAY OK LIKE. WE GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THAT ISSUE LIKE WE GO TO OTHER CITIES BUT THAT'S JUST NOT THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PEN OPINIONS IN HAS OF LAND SO I'VE BEEN TOLD IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THE WAY IT IS SURROUNDED BY THE WATERWAY. AND IF IT MEANS US FINALLY GETTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER TO REALIZE WHAT POTENTIAL WE HAVE AND PUT OUR EFFORTS INTO JUST HIGHLIGHTING BEAUTY OF WHAT WE HAVE IT'S GOING TO TAKE US TO ANOTHER LEVEL. SO WHAT THEY DID IN THOSE DAYS OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T THE BEST DECISION. MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE WHAT WE HAVE NOW BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE IS WE GOT A BALL MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS BALL AND WE JUST GOT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGE AS WE GO ALONG SO THAT WE CAN GET THE BEST BANG FOR THE DOLLAR AND SELL OUR CITY AND WHEN YOU RIDE OVER THERE AND YOU SMELL THAT I DON'T WANT TO SAY AND JUST SO MANY NEGATIVES YOU KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT TREATMENT PLANT OVER THERE IT'S A WIN-WIN IF WE CAN JUST GET IT OUT OF THERE. IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY BUT EVENTUALLY I DO BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH IT.

SO THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHTY. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> WHEN I HEAR YOU SAYING WIN-WIN THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY DEVELOPERS WORRIED CONCERNED OR WANT TO BE PART OF LEAVING THAT TREATMENT CENTER THERE YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD UP AROUND IT. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD UP

NEXT TO IT. THAT'S THE DILEMMA WE HAVE NOW. >> RIGHT.

>> SO WE NEED TO TAKE THAT IN CORE RACE SHIN TOO YOU KNOW AND NOBODY IS GOING TO COME -- CONSIDERATION. NOBODY IS GOING TO COME. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COME NOT WITH THAT TREATMENT. I HEARD SOMEONE SAY 50 YEARS LONGER.

YOU KNOW THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE BEACH FIFTH I THINK YEARS FROM NOW? NO. NO. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE FORT PIERS

THAN THE BEACH. THAT'S IT FOR ME. >> ALL RIGHTY.

MR. MIMS DO YOU NEED A FORMAL ACTION ON THIS OR YOU GOT A CONSENSUS.

>> I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU-ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND GET SOME INTER RUM REPORTS TO YOU AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO WHAT WE WILL DO IN ORDER TO NOT EXTEND THIS PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WE WILL REPORT TO YOU AS TO THE PROGRESS THAT WE HAVE MADE ESPECIALLY THE COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS WITH OUR EXTERNAL PLANNING STAFF AND

HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET THAT TO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> ALL RIGHTY.

SHALL WE MOVE ON? OK. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS RESOLUTION

[b. Resolution 20-R33 establishing Building Department fees.]

20 -- ARE. 33 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ESTABLISHING PERMIT AND PLAN REVIEW PIECE FEES INCENTIVE AND OPTIONAL SERVICE FEES PENALTY FEES CONTRACTOR LICENSING FEES AND MISCELLANEOUS SERVICE FEES PROVIDING FOR APP

EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHTY MR. HIMS IS THIS YOUR ITEM?

-- MIMS? >> NO THIS IS I BELIEVE THIS IS A COMBINATION OF THE BUILDING

OFFICIAL AND THE CITY CLERK. >> WELL NOT REALLY THE CITY CLERK BUT I CAN EXPLAIN IT.

THIS IS SIMPLY WHEN WE DID THE CODE REWRITE ALL THE ACTUAL FEES THAT WERE INCORPORATED INTO THE

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CODE WERE REMOVED AND ASKED THAT THEY BE ESTABLISHED IN ESTABLISHING THOSE FEES BY RESOLUTION. NONE OF THE FEES ARE CHANGING THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY INCREASES OR DECREASES OR ANYTHING. IT'S SIMPLY MOVING THEM TO THE MORE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENT.

>> OK. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> BEFORE WE DO THAT I HAVE A QUESTION WELL I'LL JUST MAKE A STATEMENT IF MR. THOMAS IS LISTENING.

IT JUST CAUGHT MY EYE AND I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT YOU TRY TO FOLLOW THE RULES AND DO THE THINGS YOU SHOULD DO YOU KNOW AS RESIDENTS CONTRACTORS ENGINEERS WHATEVER.

AFTER THE FACT PERMIT WORK STARTED OR COMPLETED IT'S FUNNY TO ME AND I'LL JUST USE SOME REVERSE LOGIC THAT WE VALUE BUILDING PERMIT FEES ON THE VALUATION OF THE PROJECT RIGHT? SO BUT IN TURN IF YOU STARTED WORK AND YOU'RE ONLY 5% SEPTEMBER INTO IT WE DOUBLE YOUR FEE EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ONLY 5% SEPTEMBER INTO IT AS A PENALTY. WHY WOULDN'T IT BE PRORATED

BASED ON THE VALUATION OF THE WORK STARTED AND THE WORK INPUT. >> IS THAT UNIQUE TO THIS?

>> IT JUST IT'S MORE I DON'T KNOW. IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE DEALS THAT AND AFTER THE FACT PERMIT IT'S A DOUBLE I DON'T A WANT TO CHANGE IT TODAY.

>> MAYBE HE COULD PROVIDE US INFORMATION ON THAT. >> IT'S ALMOST BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON VALUE THE PERMIT BUT FEW ARE START THE WORK AND YOU'RE 5% SEPTEMBER INTO IT AND YOU REALLY MADE A MISTAKE IF WE HAD I DON'T KNOW LIGHT COMMERCIAL OR EVEN A RESIDENT THAT THEY'RE JUST BARELY INTO THE WORK AND THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY NEEDED TO GET A PERMIT WHICH MOST OF ALL WORK HAS TO GET A PERMIT BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS IN GOVERNMENT WE'RE

GLAD YOU'RE HERE AND THINK YOU VERY MUCH. >> IT'S ONLY $10.

>> NOW IT'S 20 DOLLARS. >> MADAM MAYOR. JUST VERY BRIEFLY.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON THAT IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY WE WHAT NOT TO DO THESE THINGS BY RESOLUTION NOW BECAUSE OTHERWISE THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD TAKE 2 READINGS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST CAUGHT YOUR EYE.

I'M SURE MR. THOMAS AND HIS DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND TO THE EXTENT IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WE COULD HAVE IT AVAILABLE ALMOST AT THE NEXT MEETING PROBABLY NOT WITH SOME ADVERTISING BUT THAT IS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THESE NEXT 2 THIS ONE AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO BE MORE NIMBLE WHEN YOU AS THE POLICY MAKER SEE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE OR NEEDS TO BE RECTIFIED. SO AGAIN THANK YOU FOR POINTING

IT OUT BECAUSE IT KIND OF PROVES THE POINT. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> I WANTED TO POINT OUT ALSO MR. JOHNSON SAID THAT WHAT ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG CHANGE ORDER WORK ORDER CHANGING THE WORK ORDER THAT WILL PUT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY UP. DO YOU HAVE CONSIDERATION OF THAT?

>> I DON'T KNOW DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH A CHANGE WORK ORDER DOES IT HAVE ANYTHING

TO DO WITH PERMIT FEES? >> TALKING ABOUT THE FINAL I MEAN THE COST OF THE PROJECT.

AND MR. JOHNSON MADE A STATEMENT THAT HOW DID YOU STATE IT MR. JOHNSON?

>> WELL, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN COMMISSIONER SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS THAT THERE'S A CHANGE ORDER IN THE PROJECT JUST BEING A PROFESSIONAL IN THAT FIELD MR. THOMAS CAN ANSWER IT BETTER BUS IT'S GOING TO VARY FROM CASE TO CASE DEPENDING ON WHAT KIND OF PERMITS ARE PULLED FROM THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS COVERS THE CHANGE ORDER WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT PROBABLY WOULD BE ABSORBED INTO PERMIT FEES IN SOME WAY. MAYBE ANOTHER INSPECTION FEE OR

SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. >> OK. >> BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

>> WHEN I HEARD YOU SAY MAKE THAT STATEMENT IT CAUGHT MY EYE. OK.

>> SO IS THERE A MOTION. >> MOVE THE APPROVE RESOLUTION. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>> AND WE CAN GET SOME INFORMATION MAYBE IN A FUTURE MEETING ABOUT ANSWERING THAT

QUESTION MR. MIMS? >> SORRY. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION YOU WANT A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OR YOU WANT SOME SORT OF EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THERE'S A DOUBLE FEE OR DO YOU WANT THERE TO BE A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF A PRORATED FEE BASED UPON THE

VALUATION OF THE PERMIT. >> NONE OF THE ABOVE. IT WAS AN EXAMPLE I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT OF HOW BUILDING PERMIT FEES ARE CALCULATED IN SOME INSTANCES.

>> OK. >> AND THEN THE PENALTY IS DOUBLE NO MATTER WHAT.

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SO IF IT'S A $10,000 WORTH OF PERMIT FEES AND YOU'RE 1% DONE YOU NOW HAVE TO PAY 20,000 EVEN THOUGH IT SHOULD BE 1% OF THE 20,000 IN MY OPINION. BUT THAT'S THE DISCUSSION ON THE SIDE WAR. NO, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THAT INFORMATION.

>> OKAY. >> IT'S AN EXAMPLE LIKE MR. SWEENEY WAS SAYING HOW WE CAN ADOPT AND CHANGE AND MODIFY AND I WAS PLANTING A SEED OF GOVERNMENT DOING IT'S FEES AND

CALCULATIONS. >> OK. >> OK.

WE GOT IT NOW. READY. >> MIX WE HAVE RESOLUTION 20 --

[c. Resolution 20-R34 establishing Planning Department fees.]

ARE. 34 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA ESTABLISHING BY RESOLUTION THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FEES AND PROVIDING

FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE >> AND NONE OF THESE ARE CHANGING RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> THE MOTION IS SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[d. Resolution 20-R35 appointing members to the Civil Service Appeals Board following a vote.]

>> NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION 20 -- ARE. 35 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA CERTIFYING THE APPOINTMENT OR RE APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS TO THE CIVIL SERVICE APPEALS BOARD AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS ONE WHERE YOU HAVE TO VOTE. WE'VE HAD 5 OR 6 APPLICANTS.

ALL THEIR APPLICATIONS WERE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA BUT I'M GOING TO PASS DOWN THE BALLOTS.

I E-MAILED COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER HIS EARLIER. SO ONCE EVERYBODY TURNS THEM IN

I WILL ASK HIM POOR HIS NAMES BUT NOT YET. >> OKAY.

>> SO 2 OF THESE ARE CURRENT MEMBERS AND THERE'S A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PEOPLE ON THIS LIST

THAT WANT TO SERVE AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. >> CAN YOU POINT OUT THE CURRENT

MEMBERS. >> MR. GAINES AND MR. AMEND DAFRJTS MR. GAINES WAS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND IS SERVING AS THE CHAIR OF THE BOARD AT THIS TIME AND FRANK IS A CURRENT MEMBER APPOINTED AND SERVING AS THE ALTERNATE. YOU HAVE I THINK 2 REGULAR APPOINTEES AND 2 ALTERNATE APPOINTEES THAT YOU AS THE COMMISSION MAKE.

>> AND WE CHOOSE IN BETWEEN THE 6 OF THEM? >> CORRECT.

YOUR FIRST CHOICE GETS 2 POINTS. SECOND CHOICE GETS ONE POINT. AND THEN I ADD UP ALL THE POINTS AND THE ONES WITH THE TOP 2 ONES WITH THE MOST POINTS WILL BE THE REGULAR MEMBER AND SECOND MOST

POINTS WILL BE THE ALTERNATE MEMBER >> WILLIAMS AND GAINER.

>> THANK YOU. OK SO COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER VOTED FOR WILLIAMS FIRST GAINS COMMISSIONER SESSIONS WILLIAMS AND GAINS.

COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT -- GAINS APLANNED DRAWER. >> LINDA HUDSON FRANK.

>> JEREMIAH JOHNSON JAY AND FRANK. >> SO WHEN I TALLY IT UP JAY

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GAINS RECEIVED 8 POINTS. HAIRY WILLIAMS RECEIVED 4 TOTAL POINTS.

FAFRNG APLANNED DRAWER RECEIVED 3 TOTAL POINTS. SO WITH THAT JAY GAINS WOULD BE NAMED THE REGULARLY MEMBER AND HARRY WILLIAMS AS THE ALTER NATO THE CIVIL SERVICE APPEALS BOARD

-- >> OK I'LL EBT TR TAKEN A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR THE APPROVE VAL. >> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>> WHO HAD THE SECOND PLEASE I'M SORRY. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> THANK YOU.

[e. Resolution 20-R36 modifying the meeting times of City Commission meetings and establishing a 3rd meeting to accommodate any unfinished business continued from a meeting earlier in the month.]

ARE. 36 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA SETTING THE TIME OF CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS SCHEDULING A THIRD MEETING EACH

MONTH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> OK.

I'LL ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. >> NOW LET'S REVIEW THAT AGAIN.

MADAM CLERK. REFRESH MY MEMORY PLEASE. >> YES, SIR.

THE RESOLUTION IS GOING TO TO ESTABLISH LET ME GET IT PULLED UP HERE.

>> I HAVE IT UP LINDA IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO READ IT. >> RE:.

>> MADAM MAYOR COMMISSIONER SESSIONS IT'S 6-1 THE COMMISSION DOES RESOLVE THAT THE MEETING HELD ON THE FIRST MONDAY OF EACH MONTH WILL BEGIN AT 6. THE MEETING HELD ON THE THIRD MONDAY OF EACH MONTH WILL BEGIN AT 4:30 P.M. IN THE EVENT THAT THE FIRST OR THIRD MONDAY FALLS ON A HOLIDAY THE COMMISSION WILL MEET ON TUESDAY OF THAT WEEK. AT THE SAME TIME AS IF THE MEETING WERE HELD ON MONDAY. AND IF THE NEXT SECTION 2 SAYS THE COMMISSION DOES RESOLVE THAT A THIRD MEETING WILL BE SCHEDULED TO BE HELD ON THE LAST MONDAY OF EACH MONTH AS 6:00 P.M. TO COMPLETE UNFINISHED BUSINESS CONTINUED FROM EITHER MEETING HELD EARLIER IN THE MONTH IN THE EVENT THERE IS NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS THE MEETING SHALL BE CANCELED AND IT'S

EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1. >> I REMEMBER NOW. >> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR

QUESTION SIR. >> YEAH YOU CLARIFIED IT. THAT WAS AN OH FRIENDS AGENDA.

I REMEMBER WHY I WAS IN SUPPORT. I TAKE THE SAME POSITION. NOW.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE EXTRA MEETING. IT'S THE TIMES THAT WE'RE CHANGING THE FIRST AND THIRD MEETING AGAIN I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD NOT EXCLUDE THE GENERAL PUBLIC FROM BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS REGARDING ISSUES AND WHILE THEY MAY BE SOME THAT ARE RETIRED, RETIRED PEOPLE ARE MORE FLEXIBLE SOSHGS THEREFORE, THEY CAN COME IN THE MORNING, AFTERNOON AND EVENING, THERE MAY BE WHOM I BELIEVE BASED ON MY OBSERVATIONS THE MAJORITY WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE WORKING DURING THE DAY AND TO PUT A MEETING AT 4, 430 IN THE AVERAGE PERSON WORKS 5 I THINK IS NOT BENEFICIAL AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE TO BE ABLE TO ASSESS AND MAKE DETERMINATIONS FROM HERE BECAUSE I APPRECIATE NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE FOR THAT MATTER WHEN IT COMES TO THE PUBLIC HAVING AN INCH PUT ABOUT THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE IT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO EVALUATE MY PERFORMANCE OR A LACK THEREOF AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. IT GIVES ME ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPRESS MY CONSTITUENTS THAT COME BEFORE US IN REGARDS TO PERFORMING OUR JOB.

SO I'M TRYING TO GRASP MY MIND ON WHAT THE MOTIVE IS HERE. IF WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT AN HOUR'S DIFFERENCE WHICH WOULD CERTAINLY BE MORE CONVENIENT FOR BOTH RETIRED PEOPLE AS WELL AS WORKING PEOPLE THEN WHY ARE WE TRYING TO PLACE A CAVEAT THAT WILL CAUSE A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE THAT WORK? AND WHEN I HEAR THE EXPLANATION THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING IT THAT

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OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IT THAT'S NOT MOVING ME TO MAKE A CHANGE. RULES WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF EVERYBODY I BELIEVE WHEN THIS WAS DONE PROBABLY BEFORE I WAS BORN SO I'M NOT IN A POSITION OUTSIDE OF EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING HERE THAT WOULD PRESENT THAT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT PERHAPS WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND LESS TIME IN HERE BUT I STILL DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE JUSTIFIED IN CHANGING THESE MEETINGS AND IT DOESN'T SEND OUT A MESSAGE TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE WANT THEIR PARTICIPATION AND I FOR ONE AGAIN I LOVE THE PARTICIPATION OF THE PUBLIC. I DON'T WANT TO INFRINGE UPON THEIR RIGHTS FIRST AMENDMENT OR ANYTHING ELSE TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES MERELY BECAUSE I DECIDED TO HAVE A MEETING DURING WORKING HOURS. SO THAT'S MY POSITION IN THAT REGARDS. THANK YOU.

>> FOR YOUR PATIENTS. >> AND MAYOR. >> YES, SIR.

>> I'M SOMEWHAT TRAVELING DOWN THE SAME ROAD. I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE JOBS AND I WOULDN'T DARE I HEAR ENOUGH AS IT IS ABOUT THE TIMES OR THE MEETINGS YOU KNOW BUT YOU KNOW WHATEVER TIME WE GOT TO HAVE FOR THE MEETING WE NEED TO SET ASIDE FOR THE PUBLIC TOE HAVE A MEETING BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS THE REASON WHY WE IT IS WHERE WE AT.

THE PUBLIC IS THE REASON WHY WE SMAEK OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALK ABOUT.

AND I JUST YOU KNOW FOR THE LIFE OF ME DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE WANT TO START MESSING WITH ESPECIALLY MAKING IT WRERL EARLIER -- EARLIER I KNOW THE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW WORK YOU KNOW AND THE ONES THAT DON'T WORK THEY JUST NOT GOING -- THEY HAVEN'T -- I'VE HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT AND I'M NOT GOING DWELL ON IT.

>> ALL RIGHTY. COMMISSIONER PER REASON THAT -- >> I HEAR YOU COMMISSIONERS.

I HEAR YOU WELL. BUT LONG TIME AGO WE DIDN'T HAVE INTERNET.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THEY WEREN'T TELEVISED. MEETINGS WEREN'T TELEVISED.

MOST PEOPLE GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. WE MAKE IT REAL EASY.

>> T.V. CHANNEL. EVERYBODY IS PART OF THAT. IN THE KISS OF FOLKS THAT WORK AND NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE HEATING. TONIGHT IT'S ONLY 917 AND OTHER THAN STAFF I ONLY SEE 2 FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT'S HERE THANKS FOR BEING HERE BY THE WAY BOTH OF YOU. AND IT'S NOT I DON'T EVER THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT WE'RE DISENFRANCHISING ANYBODY. WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING OUT OF THE SUNSHINE AND OUT OF THE ABILITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE THE COME IN AND AT LEAST COMMENT MAKING A MEETING EARLIER IN THE DAY GIVES US A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO GO LONGER THAN BEFORE.

SOME OF YOU I KNOW MARIO HAS BEEN HERE WHEN WE'VE HIT THAT 11 AND 12 O'CLOCK TIME SOMETIMES.

IT'S PRETTY TOUGH AND HE BRINGS A CHILD ONCE IN AWHILE TOO. I'M JUST GOING TO PICK ON YOU A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I SEE THAT. YOU WANT TO BRING A YOUNG PERSON INTO A COMMISSION MEETING THAT LASTS TILL MIDNIGHT. I MEAN REALLY IT'S TOUGH IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO SAY IF YOU WANT SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR OR BE A PARTICIPANT IN THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PRAISE FOR A YOUNG CHILD. AS IT ISN'T FOR A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME OUT.

AFTER 8:00 O'CLOCK. THIS ISN'T IT. WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EXACTLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT IT DOES MAKE SENSE IN THE THE FACT THAT WE CAN HAVE A 430 MEETING.

IF IT GOES 6 HOURS IT'S 10:30 AT NIGHT AND NOT THE NEXT DAY. AND THAT'S PART OF THE BIG REASON FOR DOING. THIS COMMISSION THE COMMISSION MEETING IS SET UP SO THAT WE CAN DO THE CITY BUSINESS. WE WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT THE AND INVITE THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO BECOME A PARTICIPANT FOR THAT BUT IT'S OUR BUSINESS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CONDUCT FOR THE BUSINESS OF THE CITY. STAFF HAS GOT TO BE HERE AND IF IT'S A LITTLE EARLIER IN THE DAY AND WE CAN GET THEM FRESH FROM THEIR JOBS I JUST THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER PRODUCT ON ALL THAT. IF IT ISN'T RIGHT WE'LL CHANGE IT BACK TO THE WAY IT IS.

WE'RE ADDING A THIRD MEETING BECAUSE OF THIS TERRIBLE PANDEMIC HAS CAUSED US NOT TO DO

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ANY WAS IS I JUDICIAL FOR 3 MONTHS. AND THAT'S JUST LIKE SAYING -- I'M GOING ON VACATION I'M NOT GOING TO PAY MY BILLS AND WHEN IT GET BACK I DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANY OF THOSE THAT I SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAYING. SAME THING HERE.

THE QUASI JUDICIAL ISSUES ARE CONSTANTLY STACKING UP SO WE HAVE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT.

WE HAVE TO BE READY TO GO AND GET THAT GOING. BY CHANGING IT TO EARLIER TIME

HELPS US TO GET TO THE POINT. THAT'S THE ISSUE RIGHT THERE. >> LET ME SAY THIS.

I DON'T THINK IT'S AND FAIR XAERS SON TO COMPARE THE CROWD WITH WHAT NORMALLY WOULD BE HERE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF PANDEMIC. AND REST ASSURED IF IN FACT THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE OF PRESSING SUCH AS WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST INVOLVING FOR EXAMPLE CUMBERLAND FARMS THEY WOULD STILL BE HERE. I MEAN THINGS OF IMPORTANCE THAT YOU PRIOR YORT RISE BUT THE PROCESS OF -- ELIMINATION IS MY CONCERN. I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT THE PUBLIC HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT THEMSELVES IN TERMS OF AN ARGUMENT.

WATCHING SOMETHING ON TELEVISION IS THE AFTERMATH. WATCHING AND PARTICIPATING ON SOMETHING IS A PART OF THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS. SO THERE ARE 2 DIFFERENT VARIABLES THERE. WATCHING IT ON T.V. WHICH IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOY THEIR MIND-SET IS TO JUST OBSERVE BUT WHAT ABOUT THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE AND INFLUENCE YOU AND I THOSE PEOPLE WORK. A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE WORK.

AND THOSE THAT DON'T WORK IT WOULD BE EASIER AGAIN FOR THE RETIRED PEOPLE TO COME IN BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL DAY VERSUS THE PEOPLE THAT WORK. SO I MEAN I DON'T HAVE HIDDEN AGENDA. I LIKE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE AND ASSESS THE SITUATION AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST COMMISSIONER LET'S TAKE THIS THING SERIOUS.

THIS TRAUMA IS REAL. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW ADDING MEETINGS AND WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC. COME ON NOW. LET'S BE SERIOUS.

WE NEED TO BE FIGURING OUT HOW WE CAN STAY OUT OF HERE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

BUT TO SIT HERE AND WANT TO ADD A MEETING DURING A PANDEMIC COME ON NOW LET'S BE SERIOUS.

IS THAT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ANY OF US INCLUDING THE PUBLIC TO ADD A MEETING AT THIS POINT AND TIME? IF WE WANTED TO EVALUATE THAT SITUATION ONCE THIS THING CALMS DOWN AND THESE NUMBERS CALM DOWN AND FROM WHAT I'M READING IT'S STEADY GOING UP AND UP AND AN UP I AM NOT ONE TO STAY THAT IT'S NOT HAPPENING. I KNOW I RECOGNIZE AND I RESPECT COVID-19. HE'S VERY POWERFUL. SO POWERFUL TO THE POINT THAT I HAVE TO SUBDUE TO HIM. AND HE CONTROLS THIS SITUATION RIGHT NOW.

SO ALL I CAN DO IS TRY TO PROTECT MYSELF AS HE MAKES HIS POINT OF GETTING HIS POINT ACROSS AND HE IS NOT HAVING MERCY ON ANYBODY. WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE TALKING

ABOUT AN EXTRA MEETING RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. >> ACTUALLY I DISAGREE BECAUSE THE REASON FOR AN EXTRA MEETING IS SO YOU CAN CREATE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND SPACE OUT. IF ROUGH HAVE A HEAVY APPLICATION AND WE CAN HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING HERE IN THESE CHAMBERS BUT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY CONTINUE CLYDE ABOUT 30 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS IN THIS AUDIENCE THEN WE'RE PROTECTED STAFF IS PROTECTED AND THE COMMUNITY IS PROTECTED BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC MEETING FOR A SPECIFIC CAUSE THAT THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE COMING TO BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE 10 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. SO I'M JUST GOING STATE IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE EXTRA MEETING. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR THE PUBLIC TO DO THIS DURING THE MIDDLE OF PANDEMIC AND IT'S A GOOD REASON AT THIS TIME TO DO THAT.

I DO RESPECT THE COVID-19 THING. AND PANDEMIC. SO THE TIME CHANGES I'M NOT SURE WHY THE RESISTANCE TO CHANGES HERE AND THAT'S OKAY I GET IT. BUT I THINK WHAT WE'RE DISENFRANCHISING FOLKS THAT WORK THIS THE RETAIL INDUSTRIES THAT GO TO WORK IN NOONTIME AND HAVEN'T PARTICIPATED IN A MEETING FOR MANY YEARS BECAUSE THEIR SCHEDULE SAYS I WORK IN

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THE AFTERNOON THROUGH THE EVENING. I THINK THAT WE ARE ALSO IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT CHILDREN. I THINK WE'RE EXCLUDING THOSE YOUNG ADULTS THAT ARE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR CITY GOVERNMENT BUT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE YOUNGER CHILDREN OR THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR A BABY SITTER TO COME TO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS AND WE'RE CREATING AN ON CONTINUE I THE FOR THEM TO COME AND THEY'VE NEVER BEEN AFFORD HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I THINK THIS IS A GOOD REASON AND GOOD CAUSE TO MAKE THESE CHANGES. WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES. SEE HOW IT EVALUATES.

YOU KNOW THERE COULD BE MANY REASON TO EVEN HAVE A MORNING MEETING RATHER THAN AN EVENING MEETING BECAUSE OF THAT BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE AND AMENDMENT FOR THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OR SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND PERFORMING FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT THIS PANDEMIC IT'S BROUGHT ON NEW OPPORTUNITY NEW TECHNOLOGY NEW WISCONSIN OF DOING BUSINESS AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING TO SUPPORT THAT CAUSE. ALONG WITH THE IDEA THAT STAFF IS HERE. THE BUILDING IS ON. THE BUILDING CONTINUES TO BE ON.

WE'RE CREATING EFFICIENCIES IN GOVERNMENT. WE'RE CREATING EFFICIENCIES IN BUILDING USE. FOLKS MIGHT WANT TO COME AND HAVE A MEETING WITH STAFF BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING AND THEY CAN ACCOMPLISH 2 THINGS AT ONCE BECAUSE IT'S DURING NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS. I SEE A LOT OF BENEFITS. THANK YOU.

>> SO I THINK TOO I'VE BEEN GIVING THIS A LOT OF THOUGHT BECAUSE IT CONCERNED ME THAT THE PERCEPTION WAS WE WERE TRYING TO EXCLUDE PEOPLE AND IN A WAY WE'RE MAKING IT MORE CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE IF THEY'RE LEAVING WORK THEY COME STRAIGHT HERE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS MEETING. AND IF WE START EARLIER WE'RE GIVING PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT ONCE I GET HOME I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK OUT AGAIN. SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GIVING OPPORTUNITIES PERHAPS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT MIGHT WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

SO I'VE KIND OF GONE OVER IN MY MIND AND THINK THAT GO THERE'S NEVER GOING TO BE ANY PERFECT WAY TO DO THIS MEETING. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRY IT. SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE THING I WANT TO SAY AND THEN I'M GOING TO LEAVE THIS THING ALONE.

WHEN YOU SAY IT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRACTICE SOCIAL DISTANCING AND BY HAVING AN EXTRA MEETING I TAKE IT THERE'S A PRESUMPTION THAT THAT'S EVEN SAFE.

THE SAFEST WAY IS DON'T EVEN BE IN HERE PERIOD. WHERE WE SHOULD BE HOME.

SO I DON'T THINK THAT JUSTIFICATION IN A SOCIAL DISTANCING AND EVEN WEARING MASK IS NOT THE BEST AND THE SAFEST FORM THAT WE SHOULD BE TRYING TO PRACTICE HERE.

BECAUSE WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEETING IN A FEW MORE DAYS WE MAY BE SHUT DOWN AS A RESULT OF THE RESPECT OF COVID-19 AND WE WON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CHOICE BUT NOT MEET AND THAT'S WHY WE DON'T WANT TO PLACE OURSELVES IN A POSITION THAT ULTIMATELY WE COULD GET TO THAT POINT WHERE WE WILL HAVE TO SHUT DOWN AND IF HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS STARTING TO HAPPEN ALL OVER AGAIN THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS THAT STARTED DOING WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING DOING HERE AND NOT RESPECTING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS VIRUS TO CARRY ON BUSINESS AS USUAL THE BEST WAY WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND REST ASSURED THERE'S NOTHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAN TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BLISS OF FORT PIERCE BUT I WILL NOT DO IT IF IT MEANS SUBJECTING THE SAFETY AND THE WELL-BEING AND THE HEALTH OF ANYBODY IN HERE INCLUDING EVERYONE IN HERE AND THE CITIZENS TOO. SO WE CAN SIT HERE AND ACT LIKE IT'S BUSINESS AS USUAL BEFORE IT'S OVER IN A COUPLE WEEKS WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET AN ORDER BECAUSE EVERYBODY ELSE IS CONSIDERING IT. WHY WE'RE NOT DOING IT IN LIGHT OF THESE NUMBERS IT JUST I'M CONFUSED BUT AGAIN MY CONCERN IS THE SAFETY AND THE WELL-BEING AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY STAYS ALIVE. IF IT IMPACTS THE CITY OF PORT PIERCE FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT SO BEE IT. LIFE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING.

WHAT GOOD IS LIFE TO ENJOY ECONOMICS? WITHOUT LIFE YOU HAVE NO ECONOMICS. AND YOU WON'T ENJOY LIFE. SO THAT'S MY PRIORITY TO PROTECT THE SAFETY OF EVERYBODY INVOLVED. SO.

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>> SO I THINK. >> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL. SEKT.

>> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> NO.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONE THAT.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> NO, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE ADDED

[f. ADDED ON ITEM - Request of Commissioner Alexander and Commissioner Sessions to discuss cut-off dates for delinquent utility accounts with the FPUA]

ITEM OF REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER AND COMMISSIONER SESSIONS TO DISCUSS CUT OFF

DATES FOR UTILITIES WITH THE F P U.A. -- >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> I WANTED TO INITIATE THE CONVERSATION AND SAY ONE THING THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT A CITIZEN OWNED UTILITY COMPANY WOULD BE SHUTTING OFF THAT MANY CUSTOMERS FOR A DOLLAR AND IT'S SAD AND I REPEAT IT AND JUST LIKE -- I FILED AND DIDN'T GET MY WHY.

NOW THE PRESIDENT HAD TO MAKE IT MANDATORY BUT I DON'T KNOW. SOME OF US STILL WON'T PAY ATTENTION BUT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THIS VIRUS. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

I'M AGAINST THE UTILITIES SHUTTING OFF SHUTTING DOWN ANYONE.

IT'S GETTING READY TO BE HOT. WE TALKING ABOUT 100 DEGREES. YOU KNOW JUST TOUCHING YOUR CAR IS CRAZY. AND WE GOT KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL. AND WHERE THEY GOING TO GO? GO AHEAD UNDER A TREE SOMEWHERE? NO. NO.

WE HAVE TO SUFFER RIGHT ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. NOT WITH KIDS.

THAT'S A CITIZENS OWN THAT AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY PUT A SYSTEM IN PLACE AND GUESS WHAT? IT FAILED.

IT FAILED. YOU KNOW WHY IT FAILED? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 2100 PEOPLE GETTING THEIR LIGHTS TURNED OFF. SO THAT WAS A FLOP.

NOW WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I HOPE WE'VE GOT A LITTLE WEISS WISER.

I HOPE THAT WE'VE -- HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASSESS THE SITUATION BETTER NOW AND WE CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE MUSTARD SEED DISPERSEMENT DID NOT WORK.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN GIVE THE MONEY OUT. THEY GOT ALL THIS MONEY LEFT.

THE MONEY THEY HAVE LEFT IS THE MONEY THAT COULD KEEP THESE 2100 PEOPLE FROM GETTING THEIR LIGHTS CUT OFF. WE SET OURSELVES UP IN FAIL. I SAID THAT THE IN THE UTILITIES BOARD THAT THAT SYSTEM WAS NOT GOING TO WORK BUT NOBODY LISTENS TO ME BUT GUESS WHAT? IT FAILED. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A SITUATION WHERE 2100 PEOPLE IN THE MIDST OF A PANDEMIC POTENTIALLY COULD GET THEIR LIGHTS CUT OFF AND WHAT I ANTICIPATE IS WE'RE GOING TO STALL PERHAPS ANOTHER MONTH OR 2 AND DON'T DO IT.

IS THAT ULTIMATELY WHERE WE WANT TO BE? BECAUSE WE'RE SETTING THEM UP TO DO WHAT? FAIL AGAIN. WE'RE BUYING TIME UNDER THE AUSPICES OF HELPING AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS SETTING PEOPLE UP BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO ADD ANOTHER MONTH AND THEN WHEN WE FINALLY FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NOT 3 MONTHS NOT 4 MONTHS BUT 5 MONTHS AND THE BURDEN AT THAT POINT IS EVEN GREATER BECAUSE THY WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO FULFILL IT THEN WITH 3 MONTHS.

SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY CAN DO IT WITH 4 OR 5 MONTHS. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT MAYOR AND FORT PIERCE UTILITIES BOARD MEMBERS AND MR. TOM PECK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN RECTIFY THIS SITUATION NOW BECAUSE WE'RE JUST STALLING THE INEVITABLE IF WE DO WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE PROPOSED TOMORROW AND THAT IS SET IT OFF UNTIL AUGUST. WELL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN AUGUST? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN SEPTEMBER? THAT'S JUST ANOTHER 2 MONTHS ADDED. JUST LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY THERE'S A THOUSAND DOLLARS AFTER 3 MONTHS. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE $1,500 AFTER 6 MONTHS? OR MORE? WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE.

AND AGAIN WE NEED TO START TAKING THIS REAL SERIES. THERE ARE SO MANY -- REAL SERIOUS. THERE ARE SO MANY FAMILIES THAT DON'T HAVE THE CONVENIENCE THAT WE HAVE. I GET PASSIONATE ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE BECAUSE

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THEY DON'T HAVE WHAT WE HAVE AND A LOT OF TIMES WE DON'T FEEL THEIR PAIN AND IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS ELECTED OFFICIALS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS PROTECTED.

WE DON'T NEED A BLACKOUT WITH A MAGNITUDE OF PEOPLE A MONTH DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW.

PEOPLE ARE UNEMPLOYED. PEOPLE ARE NOT WORKING. PEOPLE ARE OUT SICK AND FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER ANYTIME SOON. SO I DON'T KNOW MAYOR IF PUTTING IT OFF ANOTHER MONTH IS THE ANSWER. WHAT WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WE GOT TOO FIND A FUNDING SOURCE AND THAT'S ME TALKING TO TRY TO STOP THIS BLEEDING NOW BECAUSE IT'S

JUST GOING TO GET WORSE. SO THAT'S MY SPEECH. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM AND IT WAS A WALK ON SO WE HAVE REALLY NO SUPPORTIVE INFORMATION BUT WE DO HAVE MR. TOM PECK HERE AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT REALLY IS HAPPENING NOW FROM THE

UTILITIES AUTHORITY AND WHAT IS THE RESPONSE AS FAR AS. >> IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH THE

COMMISSION IN? YES. >> OH YEAH.

>> PLEASE. >> THANK YOU FOR STAYING SO LATE.

>> IT'S MY PLEASURE YOU KNOW TO BE ABLE TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE CONVERSATION.

YOU KNOW THERE'S NO QUESTION IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION AND YOU KNOW ORIGINALLY.

IF P.O. A STAFF RECOMMENDED CUT OFFS ON JULY THE 13TH AND THE BOARD DECIDED WE SHOULD MAKE IT A COUPLE WEEKS LATER. NOW AS OF TODAY WE'RE WE HAVE 1,600 AND 74 CUSTOMERS THAT ARE ON THE DISCONNECT LIST AND THAT'S DOWN FROM 2100. AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON THAT THAT NUMBER IS DOWN IS THAT YOU KNOW WE DID TALK ABOUT THIS CONNECTION AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME IN AND PAID. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS AND THAT ACCOUNTS FOR ABOUT 800 $6,000. THAT'S OUTSTANDING. THAT NUMBER WOULD BE HIGHER EXCEPT THAT WE HAVE OFFERED SPECIAL PAYMENT PLANS AND 300 AND 59 CUSTOMERS HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT SPECIAL PAYMENT PLAN WHICH IS 12 MONTHS NO INTEREST.

THAT ACCOUNTS FOR 205,000 DOLLARS. SO PEOPLE HAVE STARTED TO COME IN. SAME THING WITH COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ABOUT 32 COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS HAVE COME IN. THAT ACCOUNTS FOR $36,000. SO THOSE PAYMENT PLANS ARE STARTING TO WORK AND WE REALLY HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ENCOURAGE OUR CUSTOMERS TO COME IN AND WORK OUT THESE PLANS. YOU KNOW WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER WE HAVE DONE QUITE A FEW THINGS OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. WE DROPPED THE PCA $2.

DIDN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH BUT IT'S A MILLION $600,000 THAT'S COMING BACK TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

AND THAT WASN'T A ONE TIME SHOT. THAT'S GOING TO BE IN THE RATE AS LONG AS WE CAN AFFORD TO LEAVE IT THERE. WE'VE WAIVED ALL THE LATE FEES AND CHARGES.

THAT'S $280,000 THAT WE'VE WAIVED FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. MR. SESSIONS YOU TALKED ABOUT MUSTARD SEED WE'VE GOT $100,000 THERE. WE'RE WILLING TO SEED ANOTHER $100,000 THERE BUT OUR CUSTOMERS NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO MAKE AN APPOINTMENT GO DOWN THERE FILL OUT THE APPLICATIONS AND WE'LL RELEASE THE MONEY. ALL WE'RE ASKING IS THAT MUSTARD SEED NOW BE THE AGENCY THAT REVIEWS OUR OR REVIEWS THE APPLICATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT

IT'S THE RIGHT THING WE'RE DOING. >> MR. TOM PECAN I INTER JEKT FOR A SECOND NOT TO BE RUDE BUT I WANT TO GET THIS PROBLEM RESOLVED.

A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

IF THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR LIGHT BILL THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY.

NOW IF YOU WERE TO WORK OUT DEAL WITH WHOEVER COUNCIL ON AGING OR WHOEVER IS DOING BUSINESS IN TERMS OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND I'M TELLING YOU WHAT THE PUBLIC IS TELLING ME WHERE WE COULD TRANSPORT PEOPLE TO WHEREVER MUSTARD SEED IS SET UP THAT MAY HELP BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE IT OR NOT YOU AND I GOT A NICE CAR. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T HAVE CARS LIKE WE DO. THEY'RE BARELY MAKING IT. SO WE GOT TO THINK ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE. LET'S SHOW THEM SOME LOVE TOO. SO THAT'S ONE ISSUE YOU NEED TO ADDRESS. ANOTHER THING WAS THIS APPOINTMENT.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE MAKING APPOINTMENTS AND WHEN THEY GET THERE THEY GOT TO SPEND HALF A DAY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT. I'M TELLING YOU WHAT THE PUSH LICK IS SAYING TO ME. AND THEY HAVE COME BACK. SO THESE APPOINTMENTS WITH MUSTARD SEED OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A LOT OF AMBIGUITY GOING ON BECAUSE I'M EXPRESSING TO YOU

WHAT THE PUBLIC IS SAYING TO ME. SO LOOK INTO THIS. >> I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK

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ON THAT. THE REASON WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO MAKE APPOINTMENTS IS JUST SO

THE MUSTARD SEED DOESN'T GET OVERWHELMED BY PEOPLE. >> SIR MAYBE YOU DON'T WALK DOWN 23RD STREET OR 13TH STREET AND RIDE DOWN 13TH STREET LIKELY DO. YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? YOU'RE NOT IN THAT ENVIRONMENT WHERE I AM AND PLEASE APPRECIATE WHAT I'M SHARING WITH YOU AS AN ELECT OFFICIAL. YOU MAY NOT SEE AND HEAR WHAT I SAY.

THAT'S WHY I WAS ELECTED FOR THIS POSITION. >> MR. TOM PECK PROCEED.

>> THE OTHER RACE SOURCE THAT'S RECENTLY COME VEIL SOFTBALL THE CARES ACT THAT'S BEING ADMINISTERED BY THE COUNTY AND THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 16 AND HALF MILLION DOLLARS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR INDIVIDUALS TO HELP WITH THEIR MORTGAGE RENT INSURANCE AND UTILITIES AND WE NEED FOLKS TO GO AHEAD AND FILL OUT THE APPLICATIONS FOR THAT. THAT WILL GET PEOPLE UP TO $4,000 ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS. SO THERE'S SOME PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT I THINK ARE AVAILABLE. WE'VE BEEN DOING OUR BEST TO COMMUNICATE WITH OUR CUSTOMERS IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW ON OUR WEBSITE AND FACEBOOK BILL STUFF FIRST.

WE'VE HAD OVER -- 60 RADIO SPOTS ENCOURAGING OUR CUSTOMERS TO COME IN AND WORK OUT A PAYMENT PLAN OR WORK WITH MUSTARD SEED. AND ALL THE POTENTIAL CUT OFF CUSTOMERS WERE ADVISED WITH A LETTER EARLIER THIS MONTH AND A SEPARATE FOLLOW-UP CALL WAS MADE LAST WEEK.

YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT WE'RE RUNNING ABOUT 2.8 MILLION DOLLARS BEHIND OUR BILLINGS FROM SIMILAR PERIOD LAST YEAR.

SO ONLY PART OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL DISCONNECT. AND I WANTED TO ADVISE THE COMMISSION THAT WE'RE NOT OBVIOUSLY NOT THE FIRST ONES WHO HAVE STARTED DISCONNECT.

MOST OF THE OTHER UTILITIES HAVE STARTED ALREADY. AND I TRIED TO GATHER SOME EXPERIENCE FROM WHAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH. K.U. A HAD 3,000 PEOPLE ON THEIR DISCONNECT LIST AND BEFORE THEY WERE DISCONNECTED 90% OF THE CUSTOMERS CAME IN AND PAID.

SO THEY HAD LESS THAN 10% OF THE PEOPLE WERE CUT OFF BUT OF COURSE THEY'RE IN A LITTLE DIFFERENT. THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE DIFFERENT. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THEY ALSO HAVE A.M.I. SO TURNING ON AND TURNING OFF IS ALSO MUCH EASIER.

TALK TO NEW SMYRNA BEACH AND THAT'S A UTILITY ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS WE ARE.

THEY HAD ABOUT 944 ACCOUNTS ON THE CUT OFF LIST. AND THEY ONLY WOUND UP HAVING TO DISCONNECT 30 CUSTOMERS. SO I SUSPECT THAT OF THE 1,6007,400 CUSTOMERS THAT WE HAVE ON THE CUT LIST THAT A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THEM WILL COME IN AND PAY.

AND I THINK WE'VE STARTED TO SEE THAT WHEN WE MENTIONED A PRESS RELEASE TALKED ABOUT SERVICE DISCONNECTIONS. WE DID HAVE SOME PEOPLE COME IN AND WORK OUT PAYMENT PLANS.

AND WE'RE STILL PUSHING VERY HARD FOR THAT BECAUSE WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT.

YOU KNOW THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS DISCONNECT THE CUSTOMER.