[a. Email from County Commissioner Chris Dzadvosky expressing his appreciation of the City and County's swift response to the removal of the unusual overflow of trash from the Indian Hills Recreation Area. The following Public Works employees contributed toward the successful result: Donald Spells, Parks & Grounds Foreman; John Viola, Parks & Grounds Irrigation Specialist; Ernest Ricciardi, Parks & Grounds Equipment Operator; William Diaz, Parks & Grounds Maintenance Worker; Tora Parker, Streets & Drainage Equipment Operator; Delvin Hart, Streets & Drainage Maintenance Worker; Larry Owens, Streets & Drainage Maintenance Repair Worker and Vontravious Jones, Streets & Drainage Maintenance Worker.]

KEPT ON FILE IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. WE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM COUNTY COMMISSIONER CHRIS DZADVOSKY EXPRESSING HIS APPRECIATION TO THE CITY AND COUNTY'S SWIFT RESPONSE TO THE REMOVAL OF THE UNUSUAL OVERFLOW OF TRASH FROM THE INDIAN HILLS RECREATION AREA. DONALD SPELLS, PARKS AND GROUNDS FOREMAN, JOHN VIOLA, PARKS AND GROUNDS IRRIGATION SPECIALIST, ERNEST RICCIARDI, PARKS AND GROUND ES QUIPMENT OPERATOR, WILLIAM DIAZ, PARKS AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE WORKER, TORA PARKER, DELVIN HART, STREETS AND DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE WORKER, LARRY OWENS, STREETS AND DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE REPAIR WORKER AND VONTRAVIOUS JONES, STREETS AND DRAINAGE MAINTENANCE WORKER.

[b. Email from Ben Murray thanking the entire Public Works Department Team for their swift response and efficiency in making a picnic table wheel chair accessible at Jaycee Park.]

WE ALSO RECEIVE AN E-MAIL FROM BEN MURRAY THANKING THE ENTIRE PUBLIC WORKS DIPLOMAT TEAM FOR THEIR SWIFT RESPONSE AND EFFICIENCY IN MAKING A PICNIC TABLE WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE AT

[8. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS Any person who wishes to comment on an agenda item which is not under Public Hearings on the Agenda may be heard at this time and must sign up to speak in advance. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

JAYCEE PARK. NEXT COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING

PUBLIC HEARINGS. >> OKAY. WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP. YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES. ARE THEY SIGNING IN?

>> NO. >> FIRST IS BOB BIRCH. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR

US, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BOB BIRCH, 1302 NEBRASKA AVENUE IN FORTPIERCE. I CAME TO SPEAK TO YOU ON AGENERAL DIET EM11E HAS TO DO WITH THE 2020 STREET RESURFACING PROGRAM. I KNOW THAT THE EVENING IT'S RECOMMENDED THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LETTING OF THE BID. FIRST I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, I HAVE NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT. I'M HERE AS A CITIZEN AND I JUST NOTICED THIS.

THE NOTICE I NOTICED ABOUT IT IS WE HAVE ONE COMPANY THAT IS FROM PALM CITY, FLORIDA AND ONE COMPANY FROM FORT PIERCE FLORIDA. THE PALM CITY, I DO NOT KNOW THE CONTRACTING COMPANY. I'M SURE THEY ARE A FINE COMPANY.

I'M SURE THEY DO GOOD BUSINESS AND GOOD WORK. THEY HAVE BEEN RANKED AS NUMBER ONE FOR THIS BID AND RANGER, RANGER CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRIES OF FORT PIERCE IS THE SECOND LOWEST BIDDER. DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO BIDS IS $1449.

AND I WOULD ASK THE CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMISSION TO AWARD THE BID TO A FORT PIERCE COMPANY VERSUS AN OUT OF TOWN COMPANY. I KNOW THE COMMISSION IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OFFERING PEOPLE JOBS AND I THINK THAT RANGER PROBABLY HAS MORE FORT PIERCE PEOPLE WORKING, EVEN THOUGH I DO NOT KNOW CW ROBERTS BUT AT LEAST THE HOME OFFICES FOR THESE TWO ARE MUCH DIFFERENT. ONE IS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND THE OTHER IS IN PALM CITY, FLORIDA. I ASK THAT 11E, THAT ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS PULL THIS ITEM FOR CONSIDERATION CONTINUATION OF YOUR DISCUSSION. I HOPE THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT RANGER CONSTRUCTION, THE LOCAL COMPANY, OF A $1449 DIFFERENCE SO THAT IT WOULD BE -- THE MONEY WOULD STAY IN TOWN, I GUESS YOU WOULD SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. VINCENT MARCILENO. >> GOOD EVENING.

HOW YOU ALL DOING? >> WELCOME. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> VINCENT MARCILENO. I'M COMING ABOUT 11B AND 11C FOR REDUCTION OF DEMOLITION FEES AND CLEARING FEES. THE GENTLEMAN THAT I'M PURCHASING THE PROPERTY OF, WHEN HE PURCHASED IT, THE FEES WERE THERE.

HE NEVER KNEW ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW IN WHICH MANNER HE ACQUIRED THE LAND BUT FOR HIM AND I TO NEGOTIATE THE PURCHASE PRICE, WHICH I GAVE A COPY OF THE CONTRACT, THESE FINES SUPEREXCEED THE VALUE OF THE LAND. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO OVER THERE ON 13TH STREET, I'M TRYING TO ACQUIRE A FEW MORE PIECES OF PROPERTY TO PUT TOGETHER, IT'S ALL NEIGHBORHOOD. I'M PLANNING ON PUTTING A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT THERE, LAUNDROMAT AND THEN MAYBE A SMALL SHOPPING PLAZA THAT I'M WORKING WITH THE CITY BOARD MEMBERS ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR PLAN IS FOR THAT PROPERTY AND GETTING THEIR SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO DESIGN IT. IF YOU WERE WILLING TO CONSIDER THE DROPS DOWN FROM 7400 TO

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6300. STILL THOSE TWO AMOUNTS COMBINED IS MORE THAN I'M PURCHASING THE LAND FOR. BECAUSE IT'S A VERY AWKWARD LOT, IT'S ONLY 0.14 ACRES IT ALMOST HAS NO USE BEYOND THAT UNLESS I REQUIRE IT. IF SOME MORE CONSIDERATION COULD BE DONE ON THE MATTER, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. SEE IF WE CAN GET DONE WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, WHICH I HAVE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE BOARD MEMBERS HERE ON OTHER

OCCASIONS ABOUT IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

[9. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

>> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE ADDITIONS OR DELESIONS TO THE AGENDA AND

APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. >> IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD?

IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. >> MOTION TO SET THE AGENDA.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONTENT AGENDA.

>> ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL ANY ITEMS? >> YES, 11E.

>> ALL RIGHTY. >> ANY OTHERS? >> B AND C.

>> ANY OTHERS? IF NOT I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REST OF THE

CONSENT AGENDA. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> YES, MA'AM.

[b. Approval of request to reduce demolition fees in the amount of $7,456.31 against 1216 Avenue E, Ft. Pierce, FL 34950, Parcel ID Number 2404-823-0013-000-7 owned by Lee R. Lachmund, 2303 E. Hildy Lane, Palm Springs, CA 92262 and contracted to Vincent Marcellino (applicant) 5625 N. W. Wawan Court, Port St. Lucie, FL 34986 to $3,318.00 payable in 30 days. However, applicant is requesting a waiver of all charges totalling $7,456.31, which requires a direct vote by Commission.]

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE'LL START WITH 11B AND 11C.

B IS THE APPROVAL OF THE REQUES TO REDUCE DEMOLITION FEES IN THE AMOUNT OF $7456.31 AGAINST 1216 AVENUE E. IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA OWNED BY LEE LACHMUND CONTRACTED TO VINCENT MARCELLINO. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER OF ALL CHARGES TOTALLING $7,456.31 WHICH REQUIRES A DIRECT VOTE BY THE COMMISSION. AND THE NEXT ONE IS AN APPROVAL

[c. Approval of request to reduce lot clearing fees in the amount of $6,404.82 against 1216 Avenue E, Ft. Pierce, FL 34950, Parcel ID Number 2404-823-0013-000-7 owned by Lee R. Lachmund, 2303 E. Hildy Lane, Palm Springs, CA 92262 and contracted to Vincent Marcellino (applicant), 5625 N. W. Wawant Court, Port St. Lucie, FL 34986 to $1,676.55 payable in 30 days. However, applicant is requesting a waiver of all charges totalling $6,404.82, which requires a direct vote by Commission.]

TO REQUEST THE REDUCED LOT CLEARING LIENS IN THE AMOUNT OF $6,448.82 AGAINST 1216 AVENUE E, SAME PROPERTY CONTRACTED TO VINCENT MARCELLINO. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING REDUCING IT TO $1,676.55 PAYABLE IN 30 DAYS. APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER

OF ALL CHARGES. >> MR. SESSIONS? >> MADAM MAYOR, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WE SHOULD HAVE TWO SEPARATE VOTES. ONE ON EACH ITEM.

DISCUSSION PURPOSES IS FINE TO DO THEM COLLECTIVELY, BUT TWO SEPARATE VOTES, PLEASE.

>> IN LIGHT OF -- HE'S NOT THE ACTUAL APPLICANT, HE IS THE PERSPECTIVE BUYER.

>> CORRECT. THERE'S A CONTRACT. >> YOU'VE SPOKEN WITH HIM, I

TAKE IT? >> NO, SIR, I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT.

THESE REQUESTS ARE HANDLED BY COLLEEN GRIER, OUR EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT.

SHE PROCESSES ALL OF THE PAPERWORK. I REVIEW THEM AND BRING THEM FORWARD. BUT I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY SPOKEN TO THIS GENTLEMAN, NO.

>> HAVE YOU REVIEWED HIS REQUEST? >> WE HAVE REVIEWED HIS REQUEST.

IT'S BEEN LONGSTANDING TRADITION FOR THE CITY NOT -- WE MOVE FORWARD WAIVING SOFT COSTS BUT THE ACTUAL HARD COSTS THAT THE CITY HAS EXPENSED HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE POLICY THAT THAT IS NOT

A WAIVABLE FEE. >> THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS VALUED AT WHAT, DO YOU KNOW?

ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH IT? >> I DO NOT HAVE -- THE PROPERTY APRAISER ISN'T NECESSARILY THE MARKET VALUE. THE PROPERTY APPRAISER HAS IT AT $6,200.

>> AND THE ACTUAL FEES THAT ARE OUTST OUTSTANDING?

>> DEMOLITION FEE IS $3,318 AND THE LOT CLEARING FEE IS $1,676. >> SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT'S

OWED TO THE CITY IS? >> ABOUT $5,000. 49

4994. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT NORMALLY THIS IS NOT PROTOCOL.

I HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH HIM. I HAVE LOOKED AT HIS TRACK RECORD, IN TERMS OF WHAT HE'S DONE. HE HAS A GREAT TRACK RECORD,

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WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HE HAS BOUGHT IN DISTRICT 1 AND THE WORK THAT HE'S PUT INTO THEM, THE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES OVER OFF AVENUE H.

THOSE BUILDINGS WERE IN SOME OF THE WORST BUILDINGS IN THE AREA. AND THE GENTLEMAN SPENT AN EXTREME AMOUNT OF MONEY NORMALLY NO ONE WOULD SPEND UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THAT'S WHAT MOVES ME, OTHERWISE I WOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER IT. HIS TRACK RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND WHAT HE'S DOING AND WHAT HE'S DONE. WITH THAT SAID, HE'S MADE HIS REQUEST. IT'S VERY SIMPLE. HE ASKED FOR ALL COSTS TO BE FORGIVEN. I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE THAN REASONABLE IF WE REDUCED IT DOWN TO $2,000 TO TRY TO MAKE IT AMENABLE FOR EVERYONE UP HERE. I TAKE THAT POSITION.

I WOULD MAKE THAT MOTION. $2,000. >> I WOULD SECOND THAT WITH A

QUESTION. >> ALL RIGHTY. GO AHEAD.

>> I WOULD LIKE FOR MY ATTORNEY TO GIVE ME SOME INPUT ON THAT. CAN WE, CAN WE NOT? SHOULD WE OR SHOULD WE NOT? SHOULD IT BE PLACED IN OUR HANDS?

>> MR. SWEENEY? >> YES, MA'AM, MAYOR. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, I'M A LITTLE HARD UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION. CAN YOU? YES. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY. ALTHOUGH IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OFTEN, IT HAS HAPPENED, EVEN IN THE LAST YEAR THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT ALL COSTS HAVE BEEN WAIVED, INCLUDING HARD COSTS ON AT LEAST TWO OR THREE OCCASIONS. MAYBE MR. REEVES CAN, IF HE HAS ONE THAT COMES TO MIND. I WANT TO SAY THERE'S MAYBE BEEN ONE OR TWO.

IT'S VERY LIMITED I KNOW THAT. >> VERY RARE. >> IT IS VERY RARE.

THERE IS NO REASON, LEGALLY, WHY YOU COULDN'T DO IT. IT'S A POLICY DECISION.

AS A POLICY DECISION, WHETHER YOU SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DO IT, I CAN'T OPINE ON.

THAT IS THE PROVINCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION. >> I WOULD SPEAK FOR MYSELF BECAUSE I KNOW THE QUESTION ABOUT HAVING THOSE TWO DIFFERENT ADDRESSES ON TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS. IT WAS ALWAYS AN EYE SORE. THE THING ABOUT IT IS THIS PERSON IS WILLING TO COME INTO THIS CITY AND MAKE THIS CITY A BETTER CITY, PROVING HIMSELF.

I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE MOTION. >> COMMISSIONER SESSION, DID YOU

SAY YOU KNOW OF HIS WORK IN OTHER BUILDINGS? >> YES.

>> IN OUR CITY? >> YES. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THOSE BUILDINGS, THOSE DUPLEXES ON AVENUE H THAT WERE UP FOR AUCTION?

>> I AM. >> NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, SIR.

SORRY. >> I HEARD COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER SAY THAT HE WAS.

>> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH IT? >> YES, SIR. MR. VINCENT HAS BEEN BEFORE THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. I THINK HE HAS A DISTINCT INTEREST IN REHABILITATING STRUCTURES THAT NEED A LITTLE TENDER LOVING CARE.

I THINK HE'S DONE A VERY GOOD JOB WITH THAT. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO SPUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR REVITALIZATION AND CREATE SUSTAINABLE NEIGHBORHOODS, THEN I WOULD THINK THAT WE NEED INVESTORS LIKE HIM AND HIS COMPANY TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT HE'S DOING. I BELIEVE HE'S DOING A VERY GOOD JOB.

>> HE DOESN'T OWN THE PROPERTY NOW, IS THAT RIGHT? THEY'RE NEGOTIATING THE PRICE

WITH THE SELLER? >> THAT'S CORRECT, MA'AM. THERE IS A CONTRACT FOR SALE.

I BELIEVE IT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. IT HAS NOT CLOSED.

>> YEAH, RIGHT. >> MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S A VERY TYPICAL THING.

I'M SURE COMMISSIONER SESSIONS IS AWARE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A CONTINGENCY IF THESE TYPES OF THINGS CAN'T BE CLEANED UP BEFORE CLOSING, THEN ALL BETS ARE OFF.

I HAVEN'T SEEN THE CONTRACT BUT I IMAGINE THAT'S THE CONTINGENCY CLAUSE IN THERE.

>> IT WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT THE CONTRACT IS EXECUTED AND BOTH PARTIES EXECUTE THE CONTRACT, ONE THAT HE INDICATED AS RELATES TO THAT PRIVILEGE WOULD EXIST AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IN MAKING THE MOTION ANYWAY. IT WOULD ONLY ATTACH IT IF THE

CONTRACT IS CONSUMMATED. >> I CONCUR. >> THAT WOULD BE PART OF YOUR

MOTION? >> IT'S $2,000 ONLY IF THE CONTRACT MOVES FORWARD?

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>> RIGHT. I THINK HE HAS CONSENT TO TRY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

HE LEFT. I DON'T KNOW WHY. >> ARE YOU SAYING $2,000 TO APPLY TO BOTH OF THESE? OKAY. $1,000 THEN.

>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A NEW MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION FOR THE HARD COSTS AS BEING INDICATED BE REDUCED DOWN TO $1,000 AS IT RELATES TO ITEM B.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. YOU READY TO VOTE?

GO AHEAD. >> I'M STILL TRYING TO DIGEST. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS PERSON OR HIS WORK. I HAVE A REAL HARD TIME -- I AGREE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO. WE SHOULD IDENTIFY CERTAIN PROPERTIES THAT NEED A LOT OF HELP AND COME UP WITH A POLICY THAT MAKES IT FAIR FOR ANY DEVELOPER THAT HAS THAT VISION TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND HELP US. BUT TO PULL AN ITEM FROM A CONSENT AGENDA RIGHT NOW AND JUST START TALKING ABOUT IT AS IF THESE ARE FACTS.

I DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS IN FRONT OF ME, OTHER THAN THERE'S AN OWNER THAT'S FROM CALIFORNIA AND A DEVELOPER WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND REHAB THE PLACE FROM PORT ST. LUCIE AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I'M THINKING ABOUT THE HARD COSTS.

THERE WAS A DEMOLITION. WAS THERE AN IMPROVEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY?

>> THERE WAS A DEMOLITION AND THEN THERE WAS LOT CLEARING. >> SO WE TOOK DOWN A HOUSE OR

SOMETHING? >> YES. WE TOOK DOWN A STRUCTURE OF SOME

TYPE. >> WE'RE GOING TO END UP GETTING A LOT OF THESE.

A LOT OF THESE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN PICKED UP ON TAX SITUATIONS.

PEOPLE DON'T LOOK TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY LIENS. I APPRECIATE THE DIRECTION OF THE MOTION MAKER. I AGREE WITH THAT IN ITS PHILOSOPHICAL SENSE.

BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, I HAVE A HARD TIME VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M GETTING. WE HAVE PUT TEETH IN OUR CODES TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THIS POINT IN TIME. IF WE'RE PULLING THE TEETH OUT WITHOUT HARD FACTUAL INFORMATION, I JUST HAVE A REAL DISCOMFORT WITH THAT.

>> I'LL SAY THIS MUCH. AS I INDICATED EARLIER, UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, I WOULD NOT EVEN ENTERTAIN IT. HOWEVER, IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, 13TH STREET HAVING A HISTORY, AND EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM PROBABLY IS AWARE OF IT, THAT IT'S NOT IN THE BEST STATE, IN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONS AND AESTHETICS, SOMEWHAT DILAPIDATED.

THAT IN AND OF ITSELF WARRANTS, IN MY OPINION, FROM SITTING ON THIS DIAS, SPECIAL ATTENTION.

BECAUSE IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO CLEAN THIS CITY UP, IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH TRYING TO CHANGE THE MOMENTUM OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD NOT NORMALLY INVEST TO INVESTING AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CHANGING THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND PUTTING INSPIRATION AND HOPE INTO THE NEIGHBOR, THEN IT'S GOING TO TAKE ABNORMAL ACTIONS AND PHILOSOPHICAL SWELL AS WELL AS PRACTICAL. IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND LACK OF ATTENTION THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO GIVE THIS, AGAIN, IF THE CONTRACT IS EXECUTED BETWEEN THE PARTIES. OTHERWISE, I WOULD NOT MAKE THE MOTION.

IF, IN FACT, THAT'S DONE, THEN I THINK -- I LOOK AT IT MORE IN TERMS OF AN INCENTIVE TO TRY TO ATTRACT INVESTORS SO WE CAN DO IT FROM HERE AT 6:15 P.M. ON NOVEMBER 2ND, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO START PRACTICING DOING.

BUT AT ANY RATE, I AM ON A MISSION TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND CLEAN UP AREAS SUCH AS THAT.

THAT MEANS GOING OUT OF THE NORM AND DOING THINGS THAT WE NORMALLY WOULDN'T DO.

THAT'S MY POSITION. THANK YOU. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR. >> AS I SIT HERE AND CONTEMPLATE ON THAT, THAT'S NEAR A SECTION OF PROJECT THAT WE JUST INITIATED LAST WEEK. AS I RIDE THROUGH THAT AREA ON A

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REGULAR BASIS, I SEE ALL THIS AS -- UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES, GRASS IS TALLER THAN VEHICLES. IT SADDENS ME WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO COME INTO THIS COMMUNITY AND TRY TO MAKE IT BETTER, THAT WE -- HOW DID THE CIA OBTAIN SO MANY PIECE OF PROPERTY? IT WASN'T GIVEN TO THEM. AGAIN, WE ARE NOT GIVING IT AWAY. WE ARE JUST INVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, I SAY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET, WALKING DISTANCE OF OUR PROJECT THAT WE GOT WITH THE

MIDDLE SCHOOL. NOT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL BUT -- >> YEAH.

YEAH. ELEMENTARY. NOW WE CALL IT MEANS COURT

CENTER. >> YES. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.

>> RIGHT. >> ARE YOU DONE? >> THAT'S MY CONCERN.

WE GOT TO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP IN REVITALIZING THIS CITY. WE JUST CAN'T DO -- CITY CAN'T

DO IT BY ITSELF. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> THE FACT THAT I'M NOT CLEAR ON. I HEARD THE GENTLEMAN SAY HE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY FROM AN OWNER AND THE OWNER DID NOT KNOW THESE LIENS EXISTED.

IT SAYS HERE THAT PROPERTY OWNER'S OWNED THAT SINCE JULY OF 2012.

WAS THIS PROPERTY OWNER THE OWNER OF RECORD WHEN WE DID THE DEMOL

DEMOLITION? >> BEAR WITH ME ONE MOMENT, SIR. LOOKING FOR THE PRINTOUT.

THE DEMOLITION -- NO, SIR. THE DEMOLITION WAS COMPLETED, THE FIRST INVOICE WENT OUT IN 2004. IT WAS SOLD TAX DEED IN '07 AND THIS OWNER PURCHASED IT IN '12.

>> I SEE THAT. THAT WAS JUST THE QUESTION I HAD.

JUST DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE IF WE JUST DID THE DEMOLITION AND THE OWNER DIDN'T KNOW IT.

>> YEAH. >> JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW UP. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COUPLE COMMENTS. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA ELUDED TO EARLIER TALKING ABOUT POLICY. I AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT FOR THIS REASON.

AN APPLICANT COME FORWARD TONIGHT, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR PROFIT BUSINESS ENTITY ENVIRONMENT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. IT IS ADJACENT TO OUR NEW MEANS COURT CENTER, WHICH WE'RE GETTING READY TO FOCUS IN ON A LOT.

SO MY TROUBLE WITH IT IS THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE CHANGING THE PRECEDENCE THAT WE'VE SET AS FAR AS THE HARD COST, BUT THAT'S TAXPAYER FUNDED MONEYS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT HAS BEEN EXPENDED AND I THINK WE SHOULD RECOUPE THOSE MONIES TO CONTINUE OUR PROGRAM OR TO USE THEM IN OTHER AREAS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A POLICY ON THE CRA SIDE TO ASSIST IN THIS FUNDING MECHANISM NOT THERE THE CITY COMMISSION SIDE.

THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE CRA BUT WITH THE CITY COMMISSION SIDE OF THE HOUSE, I DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS A VIABLE OPPORTUNITY FOR US AT THIS MOMENT BECAUSE I THINK WE COULD FUND IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY, NOT THROUGH THIS COMMI COMMISSION.

>> I WANT TO ASK AGAIN. HAVE WE WAIVED HARD COSTS IN WHAT MR. SWEENEY SAID?

>> YES, MA'AM. IT IS VERY RARE. USUALLY WITH SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES ATTACHED TO IT. BUT IT HAS BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

I BELIEVE IN MY TENURE IT'S BEEN DONE ABOUT THREE TIMES. >> YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE WORST DUPLEXES IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF FORT PIERCE? THERE'S ABOUT FIVE OF THEM ON AVENUE H. YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM?

>> I THOUGHT YOU SAID NEW DUPLEXES. >> NO, MA'AM.

>> I'M SORRY. >> THIS YOUNG MAN HERE. HE'S AN INVESTOR.

HE'S COME IN AND DONE SOME WORK. I ASKED YOU THE QUESTION EARLIER ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HIS WORK

AND YOU SAID NO. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE REFERRING TO NEW DUPLEXES.

I COULD NOT PICTURE ANY NEW DUPLEXES. >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THOSE?

>> YES, SIR. >> COULD YOU SPEAK ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? WHAT'S YOUR POSITION REGARDING HIS WORK? COMMISSIONER PERONA IS NOT

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FAMILIAR WITH IT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT.

COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER IS FAMILIAR WITH IT. CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON IT? I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT PRESSURE ON YOU.

>> I'M NOT COMFORTABLE REFERRING TO HIS WORK BECAUSE I'M NOT -- THAT'S NOT WHAT I DO.

>> YOU ARE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, MA'AM. YOU ROUTINELY RIDE THIS CORRIDOR

ON A REGULAR BASIS, AM I CORRECT? >> NO, SIR, I'M NOT ROUTINELY

OUT ON THAT STREET. >> YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THESE PROPERTIES?

>> SIR, I AM FAMILIAR WITH AVENUE H AND A BUNCH OF THE DUPLEXES THAT ARE ON THERE BUT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE WORK HE HAS DONE. I HAVE NOT SEEN THE WORK THAT HE

HAS DONE. >> THIS IS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR ME.

'CAUSE IT STOOD OUT IN MY MIND BECAUSE IT'S ONE OF THE WORST AREAS IN THAT AREA.

IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, THEN THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME, ASIDE FROM THIS ISSUE.

SO IN MY DISTRICT ON AVENUE H, THERE WERE ABOUT FOUR DUPLEXES THAT WERE ABOUT TO CAVE IN.

IF YOU RIDE THROUGH THERE NOW, YOU WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE THESE DUPLEXES.

YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THEM. >> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE REHABILITATE -- IF IT'S THE FOUR DUPLEXES RIGHT IN A ROW A J SHAPED PROPERTY, IT'S AVENUE G IS THE OFFICIAL NAME.

I VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN BY THEM RECENTLY. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> I KNOW EXACTLY THE DUPLEXES BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THE WORK THAT WAS DONE TO THEM.

>> I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT WAIVING HARD COSTS, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THIS COULD BE AN INVESTMENT IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD LIKE US TO THINK ABOUT SO THAT WE'RE NOT TREATING PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY IN THE FUTURE, BUT WHEN WE SEE A POSITIVE ADDITION TO AN AREA THAT NEEDS A POSITIVE AND THIS -- I HAVE BEEN BY THOSE DUPLEXES.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT. AND I THINK THAT THAT IT WOULD BE A TIME THAT WE COULD MAKE AN EXCEPTION. I'D LIKE TO KNOW, MAYBE THIS IS FOR YOU, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO FROM THE CRA STANDPOINT THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GONNA COME IN AND -- HE'S NOT DOING THIS OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF HIS HEART.

HE'S IN BUSINESS. HE'S GONNA COME IN AND IMPROVE PROPERTY AND, HOPEFULLY, MAKE MONEY HIMSELF. BUT H THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHAT WE'RE

ASSUMING. >> THE ANSWER IS, YES, THE FPRA BOARD CAN CREATE A PROGRAM TO SPUR RESIDENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR TARGETED AREAS.

THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE A VERY GOOD PROGRAM. HOWEVER, WE HAVE LIMITED AMOUNT OF RESOURCES. WE HAVE THESE TYPE OF REDUCTIONS BUILDING REDUCTIONS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT REDUCTIONS ON A RECURRING BASIS. HISTORICALLY, YOU ALL HAVE LOOKED AT THESE SITUATIONS ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS AND YOU ALL HAVE MADE A DECISION AS TO WHAT THE REQUESTER IS GOING TO PAY. STAFF CAN ONLY WAIVE, I GUESS, THE INTEREST, PENALTIES AND FEES. THAT'S IT. IT'S UP TO YOU AS A CITY COMMISSION, WHETHER YOU WANT TO WAIVE THE REMAINDER OF THE FEES. WE DO NOT HAVE A RULE.

IT IS COMPLETELY AT YOUR DISCRETION. THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS, YES, THE CRA CAN ESTABLISH SOMETHING, BUT I WOULD JUST WARN YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE

LIMITED FUNDS. >> RIGHT. WELL, THAT HELPS.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SHALL WE VOTE? >> I JUST WANT TO BRING IT TO ALL YOUR ATTENTION THAT WE DID THE SAME THING FOR ONE WIDOW, HER HUSBAND PASSED THAT HAD OWNED A LOT OF PROPERTIES HERE THAT WAS IN DISARRAY AND THAT HAD WHOLE LOT OF FINES AND FEES ON IT. ALL THOSE WAS WAIVED. THAT WAS BEFORE YOUR TIME.

YOU NEED TO HELP YOURSELF TO SOME HISTORY IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

SWEENEY HAS SAID IT WAS DONE. WHY PRETEND THAT IT'S A MAGIC NICKEL THAT DISAPPEARED?

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WE'VE TRIED TO GET THIS COMMUNITY TO BE REDEVELOPED AND WE ARE TRYING ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA. AND IF ANYBODY COULD HELP THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WE OUGHT TO BE WELCOMING IT INSTEAD OF PUT NAILS IN EVERYTHING AND BOARD IT UP AND TEAR IT DOWN.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. >> MADAM MAYOR, I WON'T PROLONG TIME ON THIS ISSUE, BUT THOSE DUPLEXES THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WERE AN EYE SORE. OBVIOUSLY, TAX DEED PURCHASED.

THEY WERE OFF THE TAX ROLL. THIS GENTLEMAN, HIS COMPANY, HAS COME IN AND MADE A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT TO THOSE DUPLEXES TO THE POINT THAT IT PAYS -- LET'S FACE IT.

THAT'S A TAX REVENUE AT THAT POINT. IT PAYS EVERYBODY IN HERE'S SALARY. IT GOES TOWARDS IT, IF NOT DIRECTLY, INDIRECTLY.

WE NEED TO START PAYING CLOSER ATTENTION. RULES ARE RULE, PROTOCOLS ARE PROTOCOLS, PRECEDENTS ARE PRECEDENTS. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO USING THESE RULES AS A PROCESS OF ELIMINATION AND NOT INCLUDING THOSE THAT ARE ONLY TRYING TO BENEFIT WHAT WE ALL SHOULD HAVE IN MIND, AND THAT IS A COMMON GOAL OF IMPROVING OUR AREAS AND GENERATING REVENUE IN THE FORM OF TAXES. I DON'T SEE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

THIS LITTLE DEMOLITION FEE, CLEANUP FEE, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED A GIFT.

IF WE COULD PAY OR WAIVE FEE, IF WE WANT TO START SETTING PRECEDENT, MAYBE WE NEED TO START DOING THAT. WE PUT ALL THIS MONEY INTO DEMOLITION AND CLEANUPS OF PROPERTIES THAT HAVE SAT THERE 10, 15 YEARS WITH NO TAXES BEING MADE AND THEY'RE A BURDEN ON THE TAXPAYERS. CERTAINLY I DON'T THINK ANY TAXPAYER IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WAIVING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE LONG TERM POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCE THAT THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS, AND THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM IN DISTRICT 1 WILL ULTIMATELY END UP GIVING. THAT IS PUTTING THINGS BACK ON THE TAX ROLL.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT. NOBODY'S KNOCKING DOWN OUR DOOR, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

AND IF WE CAN FIND INVESTORS THAT COME HERE -- AND I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.

THEY COME HERE AND THE FIRST THING THEY DO IS COMPLAIN ABOUT CITY HALL.

I'M KIND OF GETTING SICK OF IT MYSELF. WHAT THEY SAY, THIS IS THE MOST DIFFICULT PLACE THEY HAVE EVER GONE TO TRY TO INVEST AND IMPROVE AN AREA.

AND THE FIRST OBSTACLE IS CITY HALL. I'M TIRED OF IT.

I'M SERIOUS. I AM SO TIRED OF IT. AND IF STAFF WOULD REALIZE AND UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT PAY YOUR SALARIES, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND LIKE I DO.

YOU SHOULD BE TAKING IT A LOT MORE SERIOUS. FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT UP TO THE CITY MANAGER AND EVERYBODY IN THE MIDDLE, INCLUDING ME. WE NEED TO START TAKING THIS

MORE SERIOUS. THANK YOU. >> MR. PERONA.

>> SO ANY OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS THAT WE MADE IN THE PAST, WERE ANY OF THEM COMMERCIAL? MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE ONES THAT WE DID WERE RESIDENTIAL. SPECIAL NEEDS, ELDERLY, FAMILIES, THAT TYPE OF THING, THAT WE ALL HAD THE ENTIRE HISTORY IN FRONT OF US.

WE WENT THROUGH -- IN FACT, IF I RECALL, THE ONLY TIME THAT I VOTED FOR SOMETHING ON THE EXCEPTION IS WHEN YOU TOLD US TO VOTE FOR IT BECAUSE EVEN YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA, PEGGY. AND YOU DON'T GIVE ANYBODY ANYTHING.

GO AHEAD AND BLUSH, BUT YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA, I CAN TELL YOU THE MOST RECENT ONE, WHICH WAS NOT TOO LONG AGO, IT WAS A LIEN FROM, I BELIEVE, 1997, HANDED DOWN TO A FAMILY. I BELIEVE I DID RECOMMEND ON THAT ONE.

>> YES, I KNOW YOU DID. >> SUNRISE AND VIRGINIA? >> I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS AT THE TIME. IF I COULD, I'M SORRY. I KNOW I MIGHT BE STEPPING

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OUTSIDE, BUT I HAVE RECENTLY SUBMITTED SEVERAL PROPERTIES TO CITY MANAGER TO INITIATE FORECLOSURE ON THESE LIENS AND DEMOLITION LIENS, LOT CLEARING LIENS.

ONE BLOCK NORTH OF THIS ON AVENUE F, I HAVE IDENTIFIED AN ENTIRE BLOCK FULL OF LOT CLEARING DEMOLITION LIENS. I HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I HAVE A REQUEST IN TO THE CITY MANAGER FOR A MEETING WITH OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR BECAUSE WE NEED TO -- FORECLOSURE ARE NOT FREE. THERE'S TITLE SEARCH COSTS, THERE'S FILING CHARGES AND WHATNOT. I HAVE SENT A REQUEST FOR A MEETING TODAY TO DISCUSS THAT.

SO THE OTHER OPTION THAT'S OPEN TO THE CITY IS FORECLOSING ON THESE PROPERTIES, DECLARING THEM SURPLUS AND PUTTING THEM OUT FOR SALE. OR IF THIS CONSIDERATION WHICH YOU ARE CONSIDERING TONIGHT IS ALMOST A SHORT CIRCUIT OF THAT PROCESS.

BUT THAT IS THE OTHER PROCESS IS FOR US TO FORECLOSE ON THIS PROPERTY, WIPE OUT OUR LIENS,

DECLARE SURPLUS, PUT IT FOR SALE AND HOPEFULLY RECEIVE $2,000. >> THAT'S A LONG PROCESS.

>> THAT'S A LONG PROCESS. >> MADAM? >> YES.

>> JUST ANOTHER OBSERVATION. I'LL GO BACK TO THE COMMERCIAL IDEA.

I'M NOT IN FEAR OF, WHAT I WORRY ABOUT IS THAT IF WE WERE TO DO THIS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PLAN DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. THAT'S ONE THING THAT RINGS TRUE IN MY MIND WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS. THE OTHER IS, THE FOLKS THAT I TALK TO ABOUT WHEN WE REDUCE THESE LIENS, IN GENERAL ACROSS THE BOARD, SOFT COSTS OR HARD COSTS, FOLKS COME TO ME ALL THE TIME AND SAY, COMMISSIONER KWROURBGS KNOW IF YOU DIDN'T REDUCE ALL THE LIENS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE SUCH BAD ROADS IN FORT PIERCE. IF YOU WOULD COLLECT THE MONEY AND PAVE THE ROADS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THIS WAS DURING THE IS YOUR TAX VOTING TIME. IF YOU WOULD JUST COLLECT THE MONEY, YOU COULD DO OTHER THING LIKES A DUMPSTER PROGRAM DOWNTOWN. THEY REALLY BUILT ON THIS CONVERSATION. I SAID, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S A BIG STEP.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY FORECLOSE? THAT'S THE OTHER PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT COMES UP NEXT. THOSE ARE THE IMPORTANT ELEMENTS FOR ME.

IT'S THE PROPERTY, WHAT IT'S ZONED? WHERE IS IT LOCATED AS FAR AS HERE WE HAVE A MEANS COURT CENTER THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN. WHAT'S THAT NEXT DEVELOPMENT PHASE GONNA LOOK LIKE? AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WANT TO REINVIGORATE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AT THIS JUNCTURE, AT THIS APPLICATION. HOW DO WE DO THAT? I GO BACK TO WHAT MR. MIMS WAS TALKING ABOUT AS MANAGER OF THE CRA.

HE'S RIGHT, WE'RE LIMITED IN FUNDS. I FEEL LIKE THAT'S THE MECHANISM WE HAVE IN OUR TOOL KIT TO DO IT. I REALLY BELIEVE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND TODAY. I UNDERSTAND IF WE HAD -- IF WE BUILT UPON THE CONVERSATION SOME MORE, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE AVENUE H DUPLEXES ARE, BUT IF I HAD THE PICTURES AND THE SHOW AND TELL AND IT SHOWED US WHAT THE PLAN IS, WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS COULD BE AND WHAT IT MIGHT BE, MAYBE I CAN CHANGE MY MIND. AT THIS POINT, I KNOW THAT WE'RE -- WE'VE BEEN CONSISTENT. WE'VE BEEN VERY GOOD AT IT. THE TAXPAYERS HAVE PAID FOR THIS IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. NOW IT'S THE PAY BACK OF WHAT THE TAXPAYERS HAVE PAID FOR.

>> YOU ALL ARE SOMEWHAT AT A DISADVANTAGE THAN I AM BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS PROJECT. I DON'T MEAN NO HARM, BUT WHEN SOMETHING IS IN AS TERRIBLE SHAPE AS THAT AREA WAS AND MY CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SAYS SHE'S NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH IT IN TERMS OF THE HISTORY OF IT, THAT CONCERNS ME. THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL, WHEN I SAW WHAT HE HAD DONE, I SOUGHT TO FIND HIM. I WANTED TO KNOW WHO IN THE WORLD CAME AND PUT THAT KIND OF MONEY IN THOSE RUNDOWN DUPLEXES? I SOUGHT THIS GENTLEMAN, THE ONE THAT WAS HERE. THAT'S HOW WE MET. I WENT LOOKING FOR HIM.

HE DIDN'T COME LOOKING FOR ME FOR NO FAVORS. I WENT LOOKING FOR HIM.

WHO ARE YOU? WHAT DO YOU LOVE ABOUT THIS CITY? WHERE ARE YOU FROM? HE SAID ALL THE BUZZ WORDS AND THINGS THAT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR, FOR A LONG TIME. NOT ONLY THAT, HE COULD SHOW ME WHAT HE HAD DONE.

THAT'S WHAT MOVES ME, DEEDS, ACTIONS. TALK IS CHEAP.

YOU'RE ALL AT A DISADVANTAGE. MAYBE THAT'S WHY I MAY BE A LITTLE MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS SITUATION. THAT'S JUST THE WAY WE SHOULD START HANDLING THESE MATTERS.

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WE NEED TO TAKE THING I.N.S. TO CONSIDERATION AND TAKE IT A LITTLE MORE CESERIOUS, PEGGY, SY

ON TOP OF THEM. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> YES.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW, I HEAR SOME OF MY COMMISSIONERS SAY THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AREA LOOKS LIKE BUT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU CAN GOOGLE 1200 BLOCK AVENUE H. WHILE I'M TALKING AND YOU CAN SEE THE AREA, NOT JUST ONLY AVENUE H AND I. PEGGY IS AWARE OF THESE PROPERTIES 'CAUSE SHE HAD TO GO OUT THERE AND TAG THEM. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO A DEBATE ABOUT THAT. WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT WANTS TO GO -- I HEARD SOMEBODY SAY ABOUT COMMERCIAL. A DOLLAR IS A DOLLAR.

GREEN IS GREEN IS GREEN. WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL. I MADE MENTION OF THAT PROPERTY OWNER THAT WAS A WIDOWER AND HER HUSBAND PASSED AND OWNED A WHOLE LOT OF PROPERTY IN DISTRICT 1.

NO ONE SAT THERE AND DEFENDED THAT DOLLAR THEN. EVERYBODY GAVE HER A GRACIOUS SMILE AND SAID, WE'RE SORRY THAT YOU LOST YOUR HUSBAND AND THAT WAS TRUE.

THAT STILL DIDN'T TAKE OFF THE TABLE WHAT WAS OWED TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

I WANT TO KNOW -- DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PIECES OF PROPERTY CRA OWNS NOW, MR. MIMS?

>> YES, SIR. YES, WE DO. LAST FPRA MEETING, THERE WAS AN ATTACHMENT TO YOUR DOCUMENTATION IN THE SUMMARIES AND ACTIVITIES AND LISTED ALL OF THE FPRA PROPERTIES AND HOW THEY WERE SURPLUS OR NOT AND WHAT THEIR USE WAS.

SO WE HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, SIR. >> WE ALL ARE KNOWING AND I'M SPEAKING OF THE COMMISSIONERS. WE ALL KNOW PROPERTIES THAT THE CRA OWNS THAT'S OFF THE TAX RECORD. WE'RE LOSING DOLLARS THERE EVERY YEAR.

WE CAN'T COUNT THEM DOLLARS BECAUSE THAT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTIES.

THAT'S FPRA OWNED PROPERTIES. BUT THAT'S WELL AND GOOD BECAUSE IF WE GOT THEM ON OUR CARE, I KNOW THEY'D BE MANICURED, THEY'RE BEING CUT EVERY TWO WEEKS AS WE EXPECT OUR PUBLIC TO DO. I KNOW THIS. THAT'S NOT EVEN A QUESTION.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT CUT, THEN WHO GOES THERE AND POSTS IT? I SEE A WHOLE LOT POSTED SIGNS AROUND HERE IN THIS AREA WHEN IT IS RAINING TWO WEEKS IN A ROW. AND I SEE IT.

AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA ELABORATE ON THAT POINT. WE'RE BACK TO THE POINT OF HAVING A PARTNER IN THIS CITY THAT'S WILLING TO GO INTO THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND JUST DO SOME WORK AND BE A PARTNER OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE WANT TO THROW THAT AWAY?

I SAID MY PEACE. >> ALL RIGHTY. I AM LOOKING AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN I THINK EVERYBODY ELSE IS BECAUSE I SEE THAT THIS GENTLEMAN IS WHAT WE NEED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THAT AREA IS AN IMPROVEMENT OF THE HOUSING.

I SEE THAT THIS PERSON COULD BE THE CATALYST FOR THAT SO I THINK I COULD SUPPORT THIS.

SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, SHALL WE CALL THE ROLL?

>> TO REDUCE 11B TO $1,000 CONTINGENT UPON THE CONTRACT MOVING FORWARD.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM. >> 11C.

>> DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE THE OUTSTANDING FEE TO THE SAME AS B, $1,000. AND THAT IT EXTENDS ONLY FOR PURPOSES OF THE CONTRACT BEING EXECUTED BETWEEN THE PARTIES AS MENTIONED HERE EARLIER. OTHERWISE, REDUCTION WOULD NOT

BE PUT IN PLACE. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> I SECOND IT.

>> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> NO, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

[e. Request award of the 2020 Street Resurfacing Program to the low bidder, C.W. Roberts Contracting, Inc. of Palm City, Florida in an amount not to exceed $263,948.80.]

>> SO 11E IS A REQUEST TO AWARD THE 2020 STREET RESURFACING PROGRAM TO LOW BIDDER CW ROBERTS

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CONTRACTING INC OF PALM CITY, FLORIDA, IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $263,948.80.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, WAS THAT YOU? >> YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU.

JUST A FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. MR. BYRD BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD POINTS.

JACK, I NEED SOME MORE INFORMATION. I THINK IN OUR PACKET, I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE BID TABULATIONS. BUT I DID SEE CW ROBERTS RECOMMENDED.

AS YOU KNOW, WITH SOME EXPERIENCE WITH LOOKING AT THE BIDS WHEN THEY COME IN, IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER THAN PRICE POINT THAT SAID, OH MY GOODNESS, THEY'VE LOADED ONE ITEM OVER ANOTHER THAT WOULD SWAY YOUR DECISION ON NOT LOOKING AT RANGER, WHICH IS A LOCAL

COMPANY? >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, NO, THERE WASN'T.

THEY WERE VERY CLOSE ACCORDING TO OUR PURCHASING GUIDELINES, CW ROBERTS IS ALSO LOCAL.

IT'S THE THREE COUNTIES AROUND IT. CW ROBERTS HAS DONE WORK FOR US.

THEY WERE OUR MOST RECENT RESURFACING CONTRACTOR. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM, AS

WE ARE WITH RANGER. IT CAME DOWN STRICTLY TO PRICE. >> OKAY.

THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION IS HOW FAMILIAR ARE WE WITH BOTH COMPANIES.

SO WE'VE WORKED AS A CITY WITH BOTH OF THEM? I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE

RECORD. >> YES. >> IN THIS CASE IT'S UNIQUE BECAUSE IT IS LITERALLY, WHAT, LESS THAN HALF A PERCENT DIFFERENCE.

SO EXPANDING ON THE PROCUREMENT MANUAL, PURCHASING MANUAL, IS HOW IT READS.

>> OUR PURCHASING GUIDELINES HAVE A LOCAL PREFERENCE TO THE THE THREE COUNTIES, MARTIN, ST.

LUCIE. LUMPS US ALL TOGETHER. THEY'RE ALL GRADED THE SAME.

QUITE FRANKLY, AS FAR AS CONTRACTORS, WE'RE LIMITED SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THREE COUNTIES TO GET A FAIR REPRESENTATION. BOTH COMPANIES WORK FOR US IN THE CITY SO WE KIND OF LOOK AT THEM ALL AS LOCAL. THEY EMPLOY PEOPLE FROM ST.

LUCIE COUNTY. THEIR ASPHALT PLANT HAPPENS TO BE IN PALM CITY.

RANGER IS VERY SIMILAR. THEIR MAIN OFFICE IS IN WEST PALM.

THEY DO HAVE A SATELLITE OFFICE HERE IN FORT PIERCE. VERY SIMILAR.

THE COMPANIES ARE VERY SIMILAR. >> RIGHT. SO THEIR PROJECT MANAGEMENT TEAM, THEY'RE HERE, READY TO RESPOND TO YOUR CALLS AND FOR SERVICE OR PROJECTS? BOTH COMPANIES HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THAT TYPE OF APPLICATION?

>> YES. YES, SIR. >> I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH CW ROBERTS AS I AM RANGER. JUST IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER. I HAVE HEARD GOOD STORIES ABOUT BOTH. RANGER MORE EXPERIENCE, IN MY PERSONAL HISTORY.

THEY DO HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE THAT ARE LOCAL. THEIR PLANT IS HERE IN TOWN.

IT'S STILL OPERATING, RIGHT, THEIR PLANT? >> YES.

THE REASON WHY YOU MAY NOT BE THAT FAMILIAR WITH CW ROBERTS IS BECAUSE A YEAR AGO THEY WERE BOUGHT OUT. IT'S LYNCH. LYNCH PAVING FROM OKEECHOBEE.

THEY RECENTLY ACQUIRED. THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME AND ACQUIRED THE PLANT IN PALM CITY.

>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE. BACK TO THE PURCHASING MANUAL AND OUR LOCAL PREFERENCE, WHAT'S THE NUMBER EXACTLY? IF IT WAS OUT OF TOWN? WAS IT 5%?

IS IT A 5% I THINK? >> I BELIEVE SO. YES.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS NOT FUZZY AND I WAS CLEAR. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS.

I REALLY -- HAVING THE PLANT HERE IN TOWN MAKES A DIFFERENCE FOR ME BECAUSE IT'S OTHER FOLKS WITH BOOTS ON THE GROUND. I'M SURE COMPANIES ARE FAMILIAR WITH PAVE CO, ALSO.

THAT'S WHERE I RECOMMEND. I'D LIKE TO HEAR IT FROM MY COMMISSIONERS.

HAVING AN ASPHALT PLANT HERE IN TOWN IS A FACTOR WITH THEIR ADMINISTRATORS AND SOME SUPPORT

SERVICES. >> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW IS EITHER ONE OF THESE COMPANY, ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE RESURFACING

OF THE AVENUE M BETWEEN 13TH AND 17TH? >> NO, SIR.

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>> OKAY. AGAIN, NOT THAT I HAVE A PERSUASION OR ANYTHING, BUT I SEE RANGER ALL OVER THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS OTHER CONTRACTOR. AGAIN, JUST MY CONCERN ABOUT LOCAL HELP.

I DO KNOW PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR RANGER. >> JUST SO I'M CLEAR, YOU'VE WORKED WITH BOTH OF THEM? YOU CAN WORK WITH EITHER ONE OF THEM?

YOU WOULDN'T BE UNHAPPY WITH EITHER ONE OF THEM? >> ANY OF THE THREE, TO BE

HONEST WITH YOU, MA'AM. >> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> YEAH, I GET THAT, TOO. I'M ALWAYS A LITTLE DEFINITELY SIDING TOWARD LOCAL PREFERENCE.

BUT THE PROBLEM I LOOK AT WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE THE AREA SOMETIMES TO BE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE TO BID ON JOBS.

THE WAY THAT USUALLY WORKS IS IF THEY'RE BUSY, THEY BID HIGH. IF NOT, THEY GET AGGRESSIVE, COMPETITIVE, THEIR NUMBERS COME DOWN. THEY WANT THE JOB.

THEY WANT THE WORK. SO IF WE FINAGLE THESE BIDS THAT COME IN, EVENTUALLY YOU LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF CREDIBILITY AS FAR AS SHOULD I BID ON THAT IN FORT PIERCE? THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT ANYWAY.

I JUST WORRY ABOUT THAT. THERE'S A BID PROCESS OUT THERE. IF LOCAL PREFERENCE WAS IDENTIFIED AND IT WAS ALREADY PLUGGED IN OR WHATEVER ELSE LIKE THAT, AGAIN, I'M BACK ON THIS PROCESS. MY WIFE WOULD LOOK AT ME AND SAY, MR. ORGANIZATION OVER THERE FOR ONCE. BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT. WE SENT THAT MESSAGE OUT.

WE'RE THE LOWEST BIDDER, YEAH. BUT IT GETS TO COMMISSION LEVEL AND WE THROW THE WHOLE THING OUT. EVENTUALLY YOU CAN LOSE RESPONSES ON THAT AND THEN YOU HURT YOURSELF IN THE LONG RUN. I WONDER IF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS A POSSIBILITY OR NOT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS A GREAT POSSIBILITY, COMMISSIONER.

WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL, ONE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE -- RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING GOOD CONTRACTORS IN. WE'RE HAPPY WITH OUR CONTRACTORS.

WE'RE GETTING OUR GROUP OF CONTRACTORS THAT WE HAVE. WE TRY TO SPREAD IT AROUND BETWEEN QUALIFIED PEOPLE. PAVECO, WHICH WAS A THIRD BIDDER, IS CURRENTLY DOING 17TH STREET FOR US RIGHT NOW. CW ROBERTS RECENTLY FINISHED AVENUE B AND AVENUE A.

THEY DID THE WORK OVER ON SURFSIDE, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY WERE THE PAVING CONTRACTOR THERE. SO, YES, WE TRY TO MOVE IT AROUND AND WE TRY TO BE FAIR TO ALL THE CONTRACTORS. WE WANT A GOOD BIDDING PROCESS. WE DON'T WANT -- IF A LOW BIDDER, WE DON'T WANT TO THROW HIM OUT. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD

EXACTLY. YES. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> I CAN SAY THIS MUCH ABOUT THAT COMPANY, RANGER. SOMEONE COMES KNOCKS ON MY DOOR, RINGS MY PHONE OFF THE HOOK AND THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A JOB AND THEY GOT A CRIMINAL BACKGROUND RECORD, I ALWAYS CALL THEM. AND YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO, THEY DO HIRE A LOT OF LOCAL PEOPLE WITH RECORDS. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY MAKES THEM STAND OUT IN MY MIND, IN TERMS OF GIVING THEM PREFERENCE. PEOPLE THAT NORMALLY WOULD NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THAT WANT TO WORK, THAT'S HARD WORK, THEY CAN ALWAYS GO THERE -- I CAN'T SAY ALWAYS GO THERE AND GET HIRED, BUT THAT IS A PLACE THAT DOES GIVE THEM CONSIDERATION. I SEE A LOT OF LOCAL PEOPLE WORKING THERE.

I SEE PEOPLE WORKING THERE, FELONS, AND THEY PUT THEM TO WORK.

IT'S NOT A REVOLVING DOOR WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO BACK INTO THE SYSTEM.

IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND OUTLET, AND THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY I HAVE SEEN IT DONE, JUST LIKE THE GENTLEMAN A MINUTE AGO, TALKING ABOUT WHAT I HAVE SEEN, NOT WHAT I HAVE HEARD.

SO AGAIN, SOMETHING AS CLOSE AS $1,000, $1200, $1500, $2,000, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GIVING THEM PREFERENCE, IN LIGHT OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE IN THIS COMMUNITY AND THEIR HISTORY AND

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THEIR BACKGROUND AND TRACK RECORD. >> WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU

USED RANGER? >> MADAM MAYOR, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK IN THE RECORDS AND LOOK FOR THAT. HISTORICALLY RANGER HAS BEEN HIGHER PRICED ON THEIR BIDS.

TYPICALLY, THEY DO A LOT OF DOT WORK. SO IF THEY'RE BUSY, THEN THEIR PRICES ARE USUALLY A LITTLE HIGHER. I'M TRYING TO THINK.

>> IF YOU HAVE TO THINK, IT'S BEEN AWHILE. >> RIGHT.

>> YOU CAN REMEMBER CW ROBERTS AND YOU CAN REMEMBER PAVE CO, SO IT'S BEEN AWHILE.

>> IT'S PROBABLY BEEN TWO OR THREE YEARS. >> ALL RIGHTY.

YES, SIR? >> BOTH COMPANIES, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'VE GOT THE EQUIPMENT TO HANDLE WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO, CORRECT? OKAY.

MR. SWEENEY, ONLY THING I WOULD DEFER BACK TO YOU IS ANY OR A QUESTION -- NOT DEFER BACK TO YOU, BUT A QUESTION. ANY CHALLENGES? ANYTHING CAN BE CHALLENGED, OF COURSE, AT ANY POINT, BUT WITH THE BID BEING SO CLOSE, WITH OUR PURCHASING MANUAL AND THE GUIDELINES STATED WITHIN, IS THERE ANY ISSUES THAT YOU SEE ON THE SURFACE IF WE WERE TO GO

WITH THE NUMBER TWO? >> MADAM, MAYOR, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THIS IS A PURE

INVITATION TO BID, JACK, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

>> WE COULD HAVE DONE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL, WHICH ALLOWS FOR OTHER FACTORS SUCH AS EXPERIENCE IN SIMILAR PROJECTS, CAPACITY TO CARRY OUT THE WORK, EQUIPMENT, MOBILIZATION ABILITY, NONCOST FACTORS. IN MY EXPERIENCE, WHEN IT'S AN INVITATION TO BID, IT'S BASED ON THE LOWEST PRICE. IT'S INTERESTING TO ME LOOKING AT THEM THAT THE THIRD BIDDER IS OVER, I BELIEVE, $100,000 MORE EXPENSIVE. WHAT THAT LEADS ME TO BELIEVE IS YOU HAVE TWO COMPETITORS THAT HAD VERY SHARP PENCILS, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IN DEALING WITH BID PROTESTS, THAT COULD BE AN END RESULT IF YOU END UP CHOOSING THE HIGHER PRICE BECAUSE EFFECTIVELY, THAT'S THE ONLY ELEMENT YOU USE. NOW, IF THERE WAS A DEFECT IN SOME ASPECT OF THE BID, SUCH AS THE BID BOND WAS NOT SUFFICIENT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING YOU COULD LOOK AT. I WANT TO JUST BE CLEAR TO THIS COMMISSION, THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR QUALITY TO FACTORS OR SCORING IS INVOLVED.

IT'S JUST MATH. SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS WORKING IN PALM BAY, IT WAS THE BASIS FOR A BID PROTEST THAT IMMEDIATELY WENT TO COURT THE NEXT DAY.

IT WAS OVER ROUGHLY $1.5 MILLION STREET LIGHTING PROPOSAL. SO, AGAIN, I HAVE NOT HEARD ARTICULATED EITHER FROM STAFF OR BASED ON QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION A VIABLE REASON WHY

YOU WOULD NOT PICK THE LOWEST COST BIDDER. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> JACK, JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE -- I JUST LOOKED FOR IT AGAIN. I DON'T THINK I HAVE IT. THE BID TAG FROM RANGER? THE LINE ITEM THAT'S THE BIG ONE IS THE SUPERPAVE ASPHALT. THAT'S THE BIG ONE.

IN THIS ONE IT'S $165,000 OF THE $263,000 FOR CW. IS THAT SIMILAR IN FASHION FOR RANGER? IS THERE A WAY TO GET A COPY OF THAT? DO WE HAVE IT? DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THEIR -- A LINE ITEM SOMETIMES STICKS OUT IN A BID THAT SAYS, OH, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PADDING THE NUMBER TO GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE

DOLLAR. THAT JUST HAPPENS. >> COMMISSIONER, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, I REVIEWED THEM ALL MYSELF AND EVERYTHING.

I THINK THE ONLY PRICE DIFFERENCE WAS THE ASPHALT. THERE WAS A COUPLE DOLLARS DIFFERENCE ON THE TONNAGE OF ASPHALT. THAT'S WHAT MADE UP THE

DIFFE DIFFERENCE. >> HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT MAKING

A MOTION? >> CLEAR AS MUD AS WHAT IT IS. >> AREN'T YOU GLAD YOU ASKED?

>> THIS IS SO TIGHT. IT GOES EITHER WAY. YOU WIN SOME, YOU DON'T WIN

SOME. >> MAYBE A POSSIBILITY THAT I COULD OFFER AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ATTORNEY TO SEE IF WE COULD DO THIS, WE COULD AWARD IT TO BOTH AND UTILIZE THE UNIT PRICES ON AN UPCOMING PROJECT THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE SUR TAX MONEY THAT WE

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NEED TO SPEND. >> YOU DID SUBMIT -- I JUST PULLED THAT DOCUMENT.

I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO LOAD. YOU SUBMITTED A PLANS DOCUMENT, I THINK IT WAS?

RIGHT? WHERE IT SHOWED THE AREAS. >> YES.

>> OKAY. DO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THAT PLAN? I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO LOAD. DO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS --

>> I CAN'T HELP YOU BECAUSE I CAN'T GET INTO MY IPAD. >> I WOULD OFFER THAT THIS BID

WAS BASED ON WHAT MONEY WE HAVE IN SUR TAX MONEY. >> YES, SIR.

>> WE WERE SUCCESSFUL THIS YEAR. KIND OF SURPRISED EVERYONE THAT WE CONTINUED TO HAVE THE SUR TAX MONEY EVEN THROUGH THE PANDEMIC. WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN KEEPING A FAIRLY GOOD REVENUE COMING IN.

THERE'S OTHER PROJECTS THAT I'LL PROBABLY BE GOING TO THE SURTAX COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND DOING SOME MORE RESURFACING. SO MAYBE IF WE COULD AWARD THIS TO ONE, AWARD UPCOMING STREETS

TO ANOTHER. >> MADAM MAYOR? >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> TRYING TO BE A POLITICIAN OUT THERE. >> TRYING TO BE A HORSE TRADER

HERE. >> YOU KEEP MENTIONING SUR TAX. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE PUTTING MORE CONSTRAINTS ON IT. WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE A FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK FOR THOSE TAX DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN. YOU JUST MADE MY MIND UP FOR ME, JACK. YOU REALLY DID. WE TAKE THE LOWEST BID.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE COULD LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? OH, WELL, WE WANTED TO GIVE TO IT THE LOCAL PEOPLE.

THAT'S NICE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.

WE NEED TO UPHOLD THE BID PROCESS THAT WE HAVE AND THAT HAS TO FOLLOW FORWARD BECAUSE IT WILL COST US IN THE FUTURE. AND, YOU START TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS OR DOING THAT, WELL, IF ROBERTS HAS ASSETS IN THE AREA AND THEY'RE JUST FINISHING A JOB AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER JOB, THAT COULD CAUSE THEM TO COME IN A LOW BID THE NEXT TIME, TOO.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THEIR BUSINESS. IT'S REAL EASY FOR ME.

WE'RE SAFE BY STAYING WITH THE LOWEST BID AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WANT TO BE.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR. >> I BEG TO DIFFER WITH THE COMMISSIONER. I THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RANGER BEING IN THIS COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT THE FACT THAT IT'S RANGER, BUT IT'S THE FACT THAT JACK SAID HE HAS NOT USED THIS COMPANY IN A COUPLE YEARS, COULD BE TWO OR THREE, YOU KNOW? BUT THE OTHER COMPANY, THEY'RE DOING WORK IN PROGRESS. MY CONCERN IS ANY OF THEM THAT WE HAVE A TIMELY ESSENCE ON THIS PROJECT BEING COMPLETED. IF THAT'S THE FEAR PART OF IT THAT'S THE DIVIDING LINE, THEN SO BE IT. IF THEY CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE ON TIME, THEN WE'LL SAVE THAT

$1400, $1500. RIGHT, MR. SWEENEY? >> ALL RIGHTY.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I BROUGHT IT FORWARD. BASED ON THE EXPLANATION OF THE BID AND HOW IT WAS AT LEAST ASKED FOR OR REQUESTED OF THE CITY AND THEN ALSO DISCUSSION OF WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM, I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD BRIGHT FUTURE IN ALL THESE.

JACK, YOU BOUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. BOTH OF THESE FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE JOBS WHEN NEEDED. I'LL JUST MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE ITEM 11E TO CW ROBERTS CONTRACTING. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> MOTION IS SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

[a. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 20-029 - extending the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, to include 504 Tumblin Kling Road in Fort Pierce, Florida. SECOND READING]

THANK YOU, MR. ALEXANDER. NEXT WE HAVE LEGISLATIVE HEARING ORDINANCE 20-029 AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE TEARER TOIAL LIMITS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO INCLUDE TUBLING ROAD

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DIRECTING THE ST. LUCIE PROPERTY TO PUT IT ON THE TAX ROLLS OF JANUARY 1, 2021.

ESTABLISHING THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, FILING WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT AND CHIEF ADMINISTRATION OFFICER OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY. ARTICLE TO BE FILED WITH DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE FULFILLING ALL ORDINANCES THERE WITH AND PROVIDING FOR TPBIVE

DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> VOTE FOR APPROVAL.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> NEXT UP SUBMITTAL OF APPLICATIONS FOR THE SUNRISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD.