[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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MEETING OF DECEMBER 8, 2020. AND THIS IS THE LAST MEETING FOR 2020. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS YEAR HAS GONE. BEFORE WE ENTER IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT YESTERDAY WAS PEARL HARBOR D DAY.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE RECITE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THE HARDSHIP THAT OUR COUNTRY EXPERIENCED THROUGH THAT OCCASION AND SPECIFICALLY THINK OF ALL THE LIVES THAT WERE LOST. THANK YOU.
YOU. A REMINDER IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE INSTRUMENTS WITH YOU, I THINK MOST OF US DO.
IF YOU WOULD, TRY TO REMEMBER TO TURN AT LEAST THE RING TONE OFF SO THAT WE ARE NOT DIS DISTURBED.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NOTE THAT WE HAVE A NEW BOARD MEMBER. MISS CUMMINGS IS JOINING US FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY. AND SHE IS REPLACING MISS D DIAZ. SO YOU ARE AN AT-LARGE MEMBER.
WHICH REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE TOO MUCH OF ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR ROLE. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, PERHAPS COULD YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOURSELF.
ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.
>> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MICHELLE CLEMENS.
I AM A PRODUCT OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA.
I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. ATENDED HIGH SCHOOL AND WENT TO COLLEGE AT TALLAHASSEE. I HAD A CAREER IN PHARMACEUTICALS IN RETAIL PHARMACY, HOSPITAL PHARMACY.
I HAVE DONE CONSULTING. WORK WITH INSURANCE COMPANY.
MY THE GAMUT. MY SIDE HOBBY WAS REAL ESTATE.
I MARKED BACK TO FORT PIERCE AND FAMILY ISSUES AND I AM GLAD TO BE BACK HERE IN FORT PIERCE THE CITY I WAS BORN IN.
I LOVED. I ALWAYS PREDICTED TO COME BACK AND I LOVED THE BEACHES. AD MY BIGGEST THING IS I WANTED TO BE AN ASSET TO THE I LOVED.
I FOUND MY SPOT ON THE PLANNING BOARD AND HOPEFULLY I WILL BE A GOOD ASSET TO THE CITY AND WE CAN GET THINGS DONE AROUND HERE.WELCOME. WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THANK YOU, AND WELCOME TO THE BOARD AND I THINK YOU AND I HAVE MET ONCE OR TWICE AROUND THE CITY HERE BEFORE. AND I THINK A COUPLE OF TIMES YOU WERE ON THE VOCAL SIDE. SO I AM EXPECTING GOOD THINGS FROM YOU. THE NEXT ITEM IS ROLL CALL.
LEE LEE YES, MA'AM. BAKER BAKER YES.
>>BOB BURDGE: PRESENT. >>MICHAEL BRODERICK: PRESENT.
>> YES, MA'AM. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YES, MA'AM. GLORIA JOHNSON-SCOTT HAS AN
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EXCUSABLE ABSENT. >>CLERK: THAT'S RIGHT.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: APPROVAL OF THE MINUTE.
DO I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. >> SO MOVED.
>> SECOND. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: MOTION AND SECOND FROM -- I HEARD VOICES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
MR. BURDGE. BATON ROUGE BATON ROUGE YES,
MA'AM. >>MICHAEL BRODERICK: YES LEE LEE YES, MA'AM. BAKER BAKER YES.
>> ABSTENTION. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YES,
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MA'AM. UNDER NEW BUSINESS.MR. GILMORE IS PRESENTING. WELCOME TO THE MEETING TODAY.
>> YES. >> WE HAVEN'T SEEN MR. GILMORE FOR QUITE A WHILE. CONDITIONAL USE, SKYLINE CHILDCARE 4812 SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1.
>> CHAIRMAN, ALICIA WILL BE CALLING THE APPLICANT AND THEIR PARTNER -- THE APPLICANT WILL CALL HER PARTNER ON TH THREE-WAY.
>> MR. CHAIR. WHILE WE HAVE THAT FIRED UP.
DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO TODAY'S AGENDA?
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>> ITEM C WHICH WAS PULLED BY THE APPLICANT.
>> THANK YOU. >> DIDN'T MEAN TO JUMP IN
THERE BUT I WAS CURIOUS. >> HELLO.
>>CLERK: HOLD FOR A MINUTE. >> HELLO.
>>CLERK: THIS IS CITY OF FORT PIERCE PLANNING BOARD.
YOUR ITEM IS GETTING READY TO START.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: WILL YOU PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF.
>> I AM WITH THE APPLICANT. >> I THOUGHT I HEARD A SECOND
VOICE IN THERE. >> YES, MY NAME IS -- AUBE --
THE APPLICANT. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. MR. GILMORE CAN BEGIN THEN.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, PLANNING CHAIR, A CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY 4812 SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1.
THE APPLICANT, DENAY NAVARRO IS LOOKING FOR A CHILDCARE FACILITY OFFERING BE BEFORE-SCHOOL AND AFTER-SCHOOL CARE. SOUTH CORNER OF SOUTH U.S.
HIGHWAY 1 AND EAST MIDWAY R ROAD.
THE SUBJECT LEASING SPACE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 2,000 SQUARE FEET. THE PROPERTY IS AS A FUTURE LOUIS OF GC, GENERAL COMMERCIAL WITH A ZONING OF C 3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE. THE FLOORPLAN WILL INCLUDE AN OFFICE SPACE, COMPUTER ASSISTANCE AREA, ARTS AND CRAFTS AREA, ENTERTAINMENT AREA, TWO REST ROOMS. THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE 6:30 A.M. TO 8:30 A.M. AND 3 P.M. TO 6:30 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FOR CHILDREN AGES FIVE THROUGH 12. THERE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 20 CHILDREN ON AVERAGE. TWO TEACHER AIDE EMPLOYEES ALSO IN ATTENDANCE. PARENTS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING FOOD. ONCE AGAIN CONSIDERATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR SKYLINE CHILDCARE FACILITY. THEY WILL BE OFFERING BE BEFORE-SCHOOL AND AFTER-SCHOOLCHILD CARE.
HOMEWORK ASSISTANCE, COMPUTER TIME, GAMES, RECREATIONAL DANCING, ARTS AND CRAFTS AND LEARNING ACTIVITIES.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED USE.
>> THANK YOU, IF I QUESTIONS BY MR. GILMORE BY THE BOARD.
>> QUESTIONS. >> ANY TYPE OF OUTDOOR
RECREATIONAL AREA? >> NO, THERE WILL NOT BE.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: APPLICANT, WHEN, READY FOR YOU TO SPEAK, WE WILL CALL ON YOU. THANK YOU.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THERE A SHOPPING CENTER
THAT SELLS ALCOHOL? >> DO YOU HAVE HER -- ARE YOU ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH HER? NO? OKAY. I AM SORRY, REPEAT THAT.
>> THE QUESTION IS, ANY BUSINESS IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER THAT SELLS ALCOHOL, A BAR OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE T
THAT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE TO BUT I DID INCLUDE IT IN THE PACKET THE LIST.
CURRENT. >> THERE IS A GAMING FACILITY THERE. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT LISTS ANYTHING OF ALCOHOL. BUT THREE OR FOUR BUSINESSES
THAT WERE VERY NONDISSCRIPT. >> ARCADES DO NOT ALLOW THE
SALE OF ALCOHOL. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THERE WAS A FACILITY THERE, MR. BURDGE, AT ONE TIME. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS PANDEMIC-RELATED THAT IT CLOSED BUT IT DID CLOSE.
>> CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IF HE CAN ELABORATE ON THE OUTDOOR RECREATION. A PROVISION IN THE CHILDREN AND FAMILY SERVICES GUIDEBOOK THAT DOES ALLOW FOR URBAN CENTERS CALLED URBAN CHILDCARE WHICH IS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THAT THEY PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INDOOR.
AND JUST SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE AND KNOW ABOUT THE PROCESS, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET OWNOY SUBMIT APPLICANTS APPLICATION THROUGH THE STATE, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LOCAL
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GOVERNMENT FIRST. WE PUT THEM ON KNOWLEDGE THESE ARE REQUIREMENTS THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET WHEN WE GO TO THE STATE BUT THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS TO GET LOCALAPPROVAL. >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
MR. GILMORE, WHAT IS TRIGGERING THE CONDITIONAL USE
REQUIREMENT? >> THE ALLOWED USE TABLE.
SO BASICALLY IF IT IS A CHILDCARE FACILITY, ANY TYPE -- THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY A SCHOOL BUT ANYTHING DEALING WITH CHILDREN AUTOMATICALLY A CONDITIONAL USE.
>> THE C G ZONING CHASTE IF I OCCASION A REQUIREMENT.
>> FOLLOW-UP, IN THE EVENT THEY GO TO THE STATE AND FILE THEIR APPLICATION THERE AND SOME TYPE OF EXTERIOR YARD AREA IS REQUIRED, I AM GOING TO ASSUME THAT WILL TRIGGER THAT COMING BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD?
>> YES, SIR, CHAIRMAN, MEM MEMBERS.
IT WILL TRIGGER THAT. IT WILL HAVE TO COME BACK
BEFORE YOU ALL. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. GILMORE?
NOT SEEING ANYONE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE
APPLICANT. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: WE WILL GET TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT.
I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT.
AND MISS BAKER HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
ARE YOU STILL ON THE LINE? >> SHE IS STILL ON LINE.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: MISS BAKER, ONE OF OUR BOD MEMBERS
HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. >> I UNDERSTAND THE WAIVER BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE INDOOR RECREATIONAL SPACE THAT -- THAT THE WAIVER OF OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL SPACE IS WAIVED.
I AM CONCERNED SOMEWHAT ABOUT THE FOOD SITUATION.
DO YOU HAVE ANY PROVISION THERE TO SUPPLEMENT FOOD FOR CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS DO NOT PROPERLY SUPPLY THEM WITH F
FOOD? >> NO -- WE WILL NOT PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF FOOD FOR THE KIDS. BECAUSE THAT -- OUR LICENSE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. WE ONLY -- WE ARE TRYING TO BE -- WE ARE GOING BE TOO FACILITY FOR -- BEFORE SCHOOL AND -- WE WON'T HAVE ANY FOOD IN THE FACILITIES DURING
SCHOOL HOURS. >> SO YOU ARE NOT EVEN GOING TO ARE REFRIGERATE -- REFRIGERATION TO KEEP CHILDREN'S FOOD COLD WHILE -- DURING THE DAY? IT IS JUST GOING TO BE -- I AM JUST WONDER BEING THE STORAGE OF THE CHILDREN'S FOOD -- IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE THERE ALL DAY LONG AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL MEALS PREPARED BY THE PARENTS OR THE FAMILY TO BE BROUGHT IN, WHAT ARE YOU GOING -- HOW ARE YOU GOING TO STORE IT PROPERLY IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE KEPT COLD?
>> YES, WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE REFRIGERATION -- AND GO TO THE CHILDREN AND FAMILY TO SEE IF THAT IS A
REQUIREMENT WITH US. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY.
IN IS A BEFORE AND AF AFTER-SCHOOL CARE.
SO -- >> ONLY TWO OR THREE HOURS.
>> SO THEY ARE ONLY OPEN FROM 6:30 A.M. TO 8:30 A.M. AND --
>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. THEY WILL BE IN SCHOOL THE
AND THEY WILL HAVE RECESS AND EVERYTHING.
>> OKAY. WHAT IS THE TRANSPORTATION TO
AND FROM THE SCHOOL -- >> THE PARENTS.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>> THE PARENTS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TRANSP
TRANSPORTATION. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: ANY OTHER QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT BY BOARD MEMBERS.
NOT HEARING ANY, GO TO THE AUDIENCE.
ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICANT? NOT SEEING ANYONE.
I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT HEARING ANY.
I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION BAKER BAKE I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. LEE LEE SECOND.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: YES LEE LEE YES BAKER BAKER YES.
>> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YES, MA'AM. THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL IS PASSED. I THANK YOU LADIES FOR YOUR
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PARTICIPATION. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR LIST, ITEM B, CONDITIONAL USE DWELLING RENTAL AT 1122 SOUTH[00:15:01]
OCEAN DRIVE. AND MISS HOVERBOARD IS GOING TO PRESENT. -- MISS HOFMEISTER IS GOING TOPRESENT. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD. I WILL TALK OF TWO ISSUES OF RENTAL APPLICATIONS. ITEM NUMBER C FOR 2025 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT.
THE ITEM BEFORE IS YOU A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A DWELLING RENTAL WITH THE MINIMUM OF LESS THAN 30 DAYS. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED 1122 SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE ON HUTCHINSON ISLAND.
THE PROPERTY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF HUTCHINSON RESIDENTIAL WITH A COMPATIBLE ZONING DISTRICT OF HUTCHINSON MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL OR R 4 A. THE SYNOPSIS FOR RECOMMENDATION AS I INDICATED IN THE PAST, BUT WE HAVE A NEW BOARD MEMBER HERE SINCE I WILL EDUCATE YOU SINCE YOU WILL SEE THESE DWELLING RENTALS QUITE OFTEN.
IN 2001, THE CITY PASSED K 114 THAT ESTABLISHED DWELLING RENTALS OF CONDITIONAL USES IN CERTAIN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND ALLOWED FOR CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO BE ADDED IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE GENERAL HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHEN WE RECEIVED THESE QUESTIONS FOR CONDITIONAL USE, WE DO CHECK FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND AND -- POLICE DEPARTMENT VIOLATIONS. THERE ARE TIMES THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT KNOWN THAT IS REQUIRED WITHIN THE CITY AND WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHECK THIS, BECAUSE WE DO LOOK ON SUCH WEB SITES AS AIRBNB AND WHAT NOT ON A REGULAR BASIS. IF THEY ARE ADVERTISING FOR SUCH A USE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THEY ARE NOTIFIED. AND THEN THEY STOP DOING THE ADVERTISING AND GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS BECAUSE THEY DO REQUIRE APPROVAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION, WITH A RECOMMENDATION FROM THIS BODY. SUBSEQUENT TO 2001, FLORIDA LEGISLATION PASSED THEIR LAWS AND REGULATIONS WITH REGARD TO VACATION RENTALS IN 2011. AND A LOT OF LOCAL GOVER GOVERNMENTS, IT -- IT ALLOWED ONLY THE STATE TO REGULATE AND NOT HAVE -- IF THIS LOCAL GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE BOOKS, THEN THEY HAVE -- THEY WERE COMPLETELY CONTROLLED BY THE STATE.
WITH OUR CASE, WE DO HAVE SOMETHING.
WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS.
WE DO -- THIS ALLOWS US TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PROTECTION OVER THIS TYPE OF USE. BUT THE LEGISLATION STATES THAT ANY LOCAL LAW, ORDINANCE OR REGULATION MAY NOT PROHIBIT VACATION RENTALS OR REGULATE THE DURATION OR FREQUENCY OF THOSE RENTALS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A APPROVAL OF THIS DWELLING RENTAL WITH FIVE STANDARD CONDITIONS WITH THE HELP OF THIS BOARD AND THE COMMISSION HAVE CREATED OR DEVELOPED OVER THIS TWO-YEAR PERIOD.
AND THOSE ARE LISTED BEFORE YOU.
THE FIRST IS TO HAVE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT FOR THE DWELLING RENTAL AND MUST BE AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES AND MUST BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND BE A COUNTY -- MUST RESIDE IN THE COUNTY. GUIDEBOOKS HAVE TO BE PROVIDED IN EACH OF THESE UNITS. THE APPLICANT HAS TO FILED FOR OR OBTAIN BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS FOR THE BUSINESS AND COUNTY AND MUST BE DONE 30 DAYS OF THE LICENSE OF THE DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL REGULATION WHICH IS THE AUTHORITY OVER THESE DWELLING RENTALS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN TWO VEHICLES PER UNIT, AND AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD MEETING THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL ADD-ON TO THIS CONDITION THAT STATED ON-STREET PARK ALSO BE PROHIBITED.
LASTLY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TAX BUSINESS LICENSE MUST BE INCLUDED ON ALL ADVERT ADVERTISEMENTS.
THE POSSIBLE ACTIONS BY THE BOARD IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS SO STATED. RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CHANGES TO THOSE CONDITIONS. OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL.
AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT, JASON MANCOF WHO IS ALSO REPRESENTING THE OWNER.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMISSION GOT INVOLVED IN YESTERDAY EVENING, LAST NIGHT. I GUESS IT RAN INTO NIGHT,
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YOU WERE FORTUNATE YOU GOT OUT OF
THERE A LITTLE EARLY. >> I GUESS 9:00 IS EARLY,
RIGHT. >> IT IS ALL RELATIVE, ISN'T IT? [LAUGHTER]
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YOU SPEND YOUR LIFE HERE AT CITY
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THERE WAS A DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE ON-STREET PARKING THAT WE ADDED INTO ONE PARTICULAR
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CONDITIONAL USE ITEM, APPLICATION.AND THEY HAPPENED TO HEAR IT LAST NIGHT.
IN THIS CASE, I WOULDN'T THINK THAT THE ON-STREET PARKING SHOULD BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THERE IS PARALLEL PARKING ON OCEAN DRIVE --
>> IN -- >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: NOT DIRECTLY HE IN FRONT OF THIS PARTICULAR SITE AREA.
THAT WAS A CONSIDERATION DUE TO THE WIDTH OF THE STREETS AND BEING IN A VERY, VERY TIGHT RESIDENTIAL AREA, THE CONDITIONAL USE ITEM I AM REFERRING TO THAT WAS HEARD BY
THE COMMISSION LAST NIGHT. >> IF I MAY ELABORATE ON THAT, AND, BOARD MEMBER BRODERICK, YOU CAN ADD TO THIS BECAUSE THAT WAS A CONDITION OR ADD-ON THAT YOU PROPOSED.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: WHAT WAS THE APPLICATION THEY WERE
DISCUSSING IN PARTICULAR? >> THIS IS THE ONE FOR SHARON.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: TWO HOUSES DOWN FROM ME.
I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT. >> ON-STREET PARKING IS ONLY PERMITTED ON STREETS THAT PROVIDE FOR ON-STREET PARKING.
SIMILAR TO SOUTH OCEAN OR DOWNTOWN WHERE IT IS DELINEATED FOR PARKING SPOT. SO IF YOU DO PARK IN A RIGHT-OF-WAY WHERE THERE IS NO PARKING, COULD YOU BE TICKETED FOR THAT. OFTEN IT IS NOT HAPPENING BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DOING MANY OTHER THINGS THAN CITING PEOPLE FOR PARKING ON THE STREET.
AT THIS LAST MEETING, IT WAS REITERATED BECAUSE THERE IS CONCERN -- ESPECIALLY WITHIN SINGLE FAMILY OR DWELLING -- THAT TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO NOT MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T THIS ACTIVITY HAPPENING FOR ON-STREET PARKING. THAT IS WHAT I GATHERED FROM YOU. IT WAS NOTED BY THE APPLICANT LAST NIGHT THAT SHE SEES ON-SITE -- ON-STREET PARKING AND REALLY AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.
AND COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY WERE CONCERNED BECAUSE A NUMBER OF VACATION OR DWELLING RENTALS APPROVED IN THE PAST FEW YEARS THAT WE HAVE NOT ADDED THIS.
AND THERE ARE -- WHENEVER WE HAVE ADDED -- ONCE WE HAVE CREATED THESE STANDARD CONDITIONS, THE ONLY THINGS THAT WE HAVE ADD READY REITERATION OF WHAT IS IN OUR CODE. IT HAVEN'T BEEN SOMETHING ARBITRARY. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS SIMILAR. I DON'T HAVE THE CODE SECTION, BUT YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE STREET IF THERE ISN'T DESIGNATED ON-STREET PARKING.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY, I DID ADD THAT CONDITION AND TO ADD THAT CONDITION MOVING FORWARD IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT ON THAT, BUT TOUCHING ON THAT PARTICULAR MATTER.
CANDIDLY A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. THOSE STREETS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO HAVE ON-STREET PARKING AND WITH FIRE, AMBULANCE AND POLICE VEHICLES AND SUCH, IT SIMPLY -- IT SIMPLY DOESN'T WORK. A SEPARATE FUNCTION OF THAT.
IF, IN ESSENCE, OFF TH THREE-BEDROOM HOME YOU ARE CONVERTING INTO A COMMERCIAL USE OF A VACATION RENTAL FOR MINIMUM OF TWO DAYS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, GENERALLY THE DRIVEWAYS IN THOSE PARTICULAR BUILDINGS WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE TWO OR FOUR VEHICLES.
SUBSEQUENTLY IF YOU HAVE EIGHT VEHICLES, I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER IN THE SPIRIT OF USING A THREE-BEDROOM RENTAL. SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A L LIFE-SAFETY ISSUE COMPLIANCE ISSUE OF WHAT YOU ARE APPROVED T DO AND THE NUMBER OF BEDS -- I KNOW FOR FACT -- I WON'T GET INTO THAT WHAT HAPPENED OVER THANKSGIVING WEEKEND.
IT WAS IT REPORTED TO POLICE? OF COURSE NOT.
NO ONE HAS THE TIME TO DO THAT BUT AN ABUNDANCE VEHICLE PARKED ON THE STREET AND NOT A SINGLE ONE THEM WAS TICKETED.
THE PROBLEM EXISTS CLEARLY IN MY MIND.
OTHER PEOPLE MAY NOT BE CONVINCE OF IT BUT MY MIND.
NO PARKING ON STREETS LEADS US AWAY FROM THE LIFE SAFETY ISSUE. IT LEADS US AWAY FROM THE OVEROCCUPANCY ISSUE AS WELL. AND IN THESE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES I ALWAYS ADVOCATE IT TO BE THE CASE.
THERE COULD BE ONE OFF YEAR WHERE IT MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE WHEN YOU HAVE LEGAL ON-STREET PARKING, BUT I THINK THAT IS A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. IF YOU HAVE A TWO-BEDROOM UNIT AND GENERATED EIGHT OR TEN VEHICLES.
YOU DON'T NEED A CALCULATOR TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE OCCUPANCY OF THE UNIT.
IT IS A BIT OF FLUID SITUATION JUST LIKE THIS ENTIRE MATTER IS, BUT I WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THAT POINT UP ON THESE APPLICATIONS MOVING FORWARD. THAT IS KIND OF THE BASIS OF WHERE MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS COMES FROM.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: MY GOAL WAS TO NAIL THIS DISCUSSION DOWN A LITTLE BIT AND TO CONFIRM -- I DO KNOW THAT THE COMMISSION PASSED THAT ISSUE LAST NIGHT WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS AS THEY WERE WRITTEN.
SO IN EFFECT THEY APPROVED THE ADDITIONAL VERBIAGE CONCERNING
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ON STREET PARKING. AND YOU WANTED TO NAIL THATDOWN RIGHT AT THE GET-GO. >> IF I MAY TALK A LITTLE BIT
MORE ABOUT THIS. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: PL
PLEASE. >> AS MR. BROCK RICK POINTED OUT AND SAME -- BRODERICK AND SAME AS YOU AS WELL MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THIS INSTANCE THERE IS LEGAL ON-STREET PARKING. BY PUTTING THIS EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT IN FRONT OF THE UNIT, IT MAY BE CONFUSING THAT -- IF SOMEONE CAME TO VISIT AND PARKED ON THE PUBLIC ON-STREET PARKING SPACES. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT -- I KNOW WE ARE TRYING TO STANDARDIZE THIS, BUT WE ARE ALSO OPENING UP THIS FOR DISCUSSION, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BE HOPEFULLY SETTING UP SOME TYPE OF WORKING GROUP TO REALLY HAMMER OUT WHAT THESE CONDITIONS ARE GOING FORWARD AND COMING UP WITH COMPROMISES OF HOW IT MAY BE DIFFERENT -- I DON'T KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS AS COMPARED TO RIGHT ON THE BEACH.
THESE ARE THINGS I CAN'T REALLY ANSWER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO IT IS REALLY THE BOARD'S PLEASURE HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE THE ADD ON TO CONDITION NUMBER FOUR.
IF YOU DON'T THINK IT IS APPLICABLE HERE GOING FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION, I CAN REMOVE THAT ADDITIONAL -- IT MAY BE CONFUSING FOR THIS PARTICULAR UNIT.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: WILL CHAIR, QUESTION ON THAT THEN.
RELATIVE TO THE APPLICATION ITSELF.
I REVIEWED IT IN DETAIL. HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE THEY LOOKING TO CONVERT HERE TO -- IS IT -- IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY
IT IS RIGHT ON THE WATER. >> I RECALL IT IS TWO BEDROOM.
>> TWO BEDROOM, TWO BATH. >>MICHAEL BRODERICK: BY PICTORIAL -- I WOULD SUGGEST AMPLE PARKING FOR FIVE CARS.
>> THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING. I HAVE BEEN BY THAT PLACE.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: I WILL KEEP IT.
>> JUST TO MAKE YOUR LIFE E EASIER, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM
WITH THE CONDITION. >> PERFECT.
>> THAT TOOK A HALF HOUR OFF THE MEETING.
YES I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY CHANGE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE RIGHT NOW WHERE IT SAYS PLEASE PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY OR UNDER THE HOME WHEREVER POSSIBLE.
THERE IS ALSO TWO OFF-STREET PARKING A AVAILABLE AS FI FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVE. I WOULD SUGGEST THEY REMOVE THAT. BECAUSE THOSE TWO OFF-STREET -- THOSE TWO ON-STREET P PARKINGS ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO TO THE BEACH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT IS ON A STATE ROAD. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: JUST A MINUTE, SIR. BAKER BAKER ON A STATE ROAD AND THAT WOULD DEPRIVE REGULAR RESIDENTS AND SO FORTH FROM THEIR PARKING AREA. IF THEY ELIMINATE THAT FROM THEIR -- FROM THEIR REGULATIONS, THAT WOULD FULFILL THE REQUIREMENTS OF NO ON-STREET PARKING.
MY SECOND QUESTION WAS, HOW LONG HAVE THEY BEEN IN BUSINESS AS A -- AS A VACATION RENTAL? AND AT WHAT POINT WHEN THEY WERE NOTIFIED THAT THEY NEEDED TO GO FOR CONDITIONAL USE WERE THERE ANY ACTIONS TAKEN LIKE CITATIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR THEY JUST STOP DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING AND THEN IMMEDIATELY APPLY?
>> IF I MAY, CHAIRMAN. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: LET ME
HANDLE THIS. >> I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT, TO RESPOND TO THAT -- THAT IS WHY.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I WILL GIVE YOU A MOMENT IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT YOU WERE GOING TO.
>> I WAS GOING TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT WITH THIS.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND THERE SHOULD BE A SIGN-IN SHEET.
NORMALLY I DON'T REOPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING BUT IN THIS CASE, I THINK IT'S NECESSARY.
>> OKAY, IN ALL DUE RESPECT. I DIDN'T TRY INTERFERE.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS OPEN. I WAS TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT CONDITION.
AND I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION.
I THINK THAT MAKES COMPLIANCE WITH THAT CONDITION CORRECT.
SO HERE IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION.
I AM NOT THE ATTORNEY AS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CLIENT. BUT THE CLIENT CALMED SOMEONE IN OUR FIRM AND SAID, GREG, I JUST GOT A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY.
WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS IS WHY I BOUGHT THIS.
I WANT TO COME VISIT BUT WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO RENT THIS. I WAS TOLD YOU COULD DO IT FROM WHOEVER THEY SPOKE TO. I THINK THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 2018 AND THEY STARTED AFTER DOING RENOVATIONS MAYBE IN 2019. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATES.
AND I DON'T HAVE -- I CAN LOOK UP THE CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION. AND WE GOT THAT CALL.
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AND AS SOON AS I GOT IT, GREG HAD SOME MEDICAL ISSUES.HE SAID JASON, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS CASE.
I SAID, SURE, LET ME LOOK AT IT.
I WENT TO YOUR WEB SITE AND FORTUNATELY I SAW THAT MISS HOFMEISTER WAS THE PLANNINGER. I SAID JENNIFER, DO YOU REMEMBER ME. I HAVE A CLIENT.
TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO DO. THIS GUY DIDN'T KNOW HE COULD DO IT. WE WANT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
DIDN'T WANT VIOLATIONS. IN GUY WANTS TO DO THINGS THE CORRECT WAY. I THINK WE WROTE A LETTER TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SAID PLEASE PUT THIS VIOLATION ON HOLD. WE ARE GOING TO SUBMIT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE AS REQUIRED. I GOT THE DEADLINES FROM MISS ROFMEISTER. WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BASICALLY HAD OUR CLIENT -- TOLD HIM MANY TIMES TO REMOVE ALL ADVERTISING.
MAKE SURE THEIR DOING IT ON THE UP AND UP WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. HE IS ANXIOUS TO GET IT RESOLVED. BUT I TOLD HIM -- WHAT ARE WE IN DECEMBER. MID-JANUARY HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE COMMISSION.
YOU WILL BE APPROVED. YOU CAN DO IT.
AND GO ON. SO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING
THE HISTORY OF THE PROCESS. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: OKAY.
DISCUSSION OF ON-STREET AND OFF-STREET PARKING IS NOT AN
ISSUE? >> JUST FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE AND ALL THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD ALSO -- BY ALLOWING -- BY NOT ALLOWING THE PARKING THE ONLY THING -- WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE CONDITION.
YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHO IS PARKING THERE? BECAUSE IF YOU SAY THAT OUR PEOPLE AREN'T PARKING THERE.
THEY ARE NOT THE ONES PARKING THERE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO START TICKETING PEOPLE.
SO A GLOBAL THING. WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING.
IT IS ONLY A TWO BEDROOM. THEY ARE NOT RENTING IT OUT FOR COLLEGE KIDS TO GO BRING 20 KIDS AND HAVE PARTIES -- PLENTY OF PARKING. HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE -- THE CONDITION UNTIL, AND HE SAID NO PROBLEM.
THAT WAS JUST LANGUAGE HE HAD IN THERE BECAUSE HE WAS JUST INFORMING THEM THAT THERE WERE TWO SPOTS IF YOU WANT TO PARK THERE. WE DON'T NEED THEM SO IT IS
COMPLETELY FINE. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I WENT BY THAT FACILITY ALSO. AND THE ON-STREET PARKING IS
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: PUBLIC PARK BUG TO --
>> TO THE NORTH. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: TO THE NORTH OF THE UNIT AND TECHNICALLY HE NO ON-STREET PARKING AVAILABLE AN THAT IS THE KEY WE NEED TO CONSIDER N ADJUSTING THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING PARKING IS WHETHER
OR NOT -- >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: THAT IS WHAT -- MOST OF THE TIME THERE ISN'T ON-STREET PARKING.
WHAT WE ARE JUST REINFORCING WHAT WE PROHIBIT ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY. WHERE YOU CAN'T JUST PARK ON RIGHT-OF-WAY WHEN IT IS A THREE-WAY FOR CARS.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: MR. CHAIR, THAT IS THE POINT.
ON-STREET PARKING ADJACENT. NO ON-STREET PROPERTY IN FRONT OF PROPERTY. SO YOU HAVE THAT SITUATION IN ANY THESE APPLICATIONS. OKAY, IF -- IF YOU WERE APPROVED ON MY STREET, THERE IS LEGITIMATE MUNICIPAL P PARKINGS THREE BLOCKS AWAY. DOESN'T MATTER THREE SPACES OR THREE BLOCKS. THAT IS THE OPTION TO GET AWAY FROM THE ON-STREET PARKING SCENARIO.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION YOU HAD MISS BAKER CONCERNING BED BEDROOMS?
>>MARCIA BAKER: EXCUSE ME, WAS THE OWNER IN TOUCH WITH ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER?
>> NOT THAT I KNOW OF. AND THE MAILINGS WENT OUT AND I ASKED THEM IF THERE WOULD BE ANY ISSUE HE THOUGHT WITH THE NEIGHBORS. AND HE SAID ABSOLUTELY NOT.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAD A SPECIFIC DISCUSSION.
>>MARCIA BAKER: THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THIS IS AT 1110 SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE. THAT'S -- MR. HOLLINDER PROPERTY. IF YOU HAD ANY COMMUNICATION
TO HIM. >> NO, BUT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SPEAK TO HIM BEFORE THE COMMISSION
>>MARCIA BAKER: NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: IF I CORRECT THAT.
MAILINGS GO UP FOR THE CITY CITY COMMISSIONS AND THE PROPERTY IS POSTED. AND I HAVE DONE THE POSTING.
AND IT IS THERE >>MARCIA BAKER: THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS SINCE THE OWNER IS THE HEAD OF TITAN PROPERTY MANAGEMENT WHICH HAS VACATION RENTALS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, DOES -- DOES -- DO WE HAVE THINK OTHER VACATION
RENTALS IN FORT PIERCE? >> NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF
>>MARCIA BAKER: THANK YOU. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> THANK YOU. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: NOT SEEING ANY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US,
MISS JENNIFER HOFMEISTER. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: A
TONGUE TWISTER, ISN'T IT. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER:
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SHOULDN'T BE FOR ME. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: RIGHT.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: NOT SEEING ANY.
I WILL OPEN THE REST OF THE PUBLIC MEETING.
ANYBODY SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.
NOT SEEING ANYONE. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND GO BACK TO THE BOARD.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT HEARING ANY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>>MARCIA BAKER: I MOVE APPROVAL.
>> SECOND. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: A MOTION BY MISS BAKER. AND A SECOND BY MISS CUMMINGS.
I AM TERRIBLE WITH NAMES. >> HE DECLARED IT UP FRONT.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I JUST DID.
>>MARCIA BAKER: YES. >> MISS CLEMENS.
>> YES. >>MICHAEL BRODERICK: YES.
>>BOB BURDGE: YES. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YES, MA'AM. I AM MESSING IT UP EVEN IF I AM READING IT OFF A PIECE OF PAPER.
YOU CAME UP FROM WHERE? >> UP.
>> ER TOWN. >> WEST PALM BEACH.
JUST TO SEE US. >> NOW I AM GOING TO GO CHECK OUT YOUR CIDERY OR SOMETHING. SPEND LOTS OF MONEY WHILE I'M
>> THANK YOU. >> JEFF: WE GO BACK 20 YEARS.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: TAKES YOU BACK 20 YEARS.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: GOES BACK 20 YEARS.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YOU MUST BE IN GRADE SCHOOL.
>> A LOT EASIER TO SAY -- IT WAS SIMON BACK THEN.
[d. Conditional Use - Dwelling Rental - 1341 Binney Drive, Unit A & B]
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST, ITEM D, CONDITIONAL USE DWELLING RENTAL AT 1341 BINNEY STREET UNIT A AND B. MISS HOFMEISTER AGAIN.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, BEFORE IS YOU SECOND CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR VACATION RENTAL FOR F A MINIMUM OF TWO DAYS. SUBJECT LOCATION IS LOCATED AT 13 -- SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1341 BINNEY DRIVE.
BOTH UNITS A & B. THEY ARE REQUESTING FOR A VACATION RENTAL. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OWNER DOES OCCUPY UNIT B AT THE TIME AND UNIT A IS BEING OCCUPIED BY LONG-TERM RENTER.
SO THAT WHEN THAT ENDS IS WHEN THIS WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE SHORT-TERM DWELLING RENTAL STATUS.
FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING IS SHOWN ABOVE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION HUTCHINSON RESIDENTIAL AND HUTCHINSON ZONING RESIDENTIAL OR R 4 A. OUR SYNOPSIS, FOUR DWELLING UNITS RENTALS IN THE CITY WAS BASED ON LEGISLATION WE LOCALLY PASSED IN 2001 THAT ESTABLISHED DWELLING RENTALS AS CONDITIONAL USES. SUBJECT TO THAT, FLORIDA LEGISLATION PASSED LAWS PERTAINING TO VACATION RENTALS IN 2011. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE FIVE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WITH AN ADDITIONAL ADD-ON OF THAT ON-STREET PARKING THAT WAS ESTABLISHED AT THE LAST MEETING TO CONDITION FOUR.
POSSIBLE ACTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS STATED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CHANGES TO THOSE CONDITIONS OR TO RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL.
AND I'M MERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I AM NOT SURE IS THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS TO THE
BOARD TO MISS HOFMEISTER >>MARCIA BAKER: YES.
THE PICTURE YOU ARE SHOWING OF THE DRIVEWAY IS CONFUSING BECAUSE I WENT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND THAT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT A PAVED DR DRIVEWAY.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THIS IS NOT THE HOUSE.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: THIS IS THE HOUSE
>>MARCIA BAKER: THERE IS NO PAVED DRIVEWAY.
I DON'T -- >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: DOVE
THE WRONG -- >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YOU HAVE THE WRONG HOUSE. THIS IS THE PICTURE FOR 2025
SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE, I BELIEVE. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: LET ME
PULL UP -- >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THE
UNIT WE ARE DISCUSSING -- >>MARCIA BAKER: PULL IT UP FROM THE PROPERTY RECORDS IT IS NOT A DIRT --
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: I DON'T THINK IT IS 2025, THAT MISS
BAKER. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT -- I WENT BY.
AND TOOK A PICTURE OF IT. DO I HAVE THE WRONG HOUSE?
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THE WRONG PICTURE.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: 1341 >>MARCIA BAKER: YOU CAN SEE
WHAT THE DRIVEWAY LOOKS LIKE. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: LOOK AT YOU. THIS IS -- YEAH, BUT IN IS NOT BINNEY DRIVE. I DON'T BELIEVE.
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>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: THIS IS LIKE TWO DOORS FROM THE
OTHER ONE WE WENT TO. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: MAYBE I AM WRONG.
>>MARCIA BAKER: THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: THAT IS WHAT IT LOOSE LIKE WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT
>>MARCIA BAKER: IT SURE DOES. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: WAIT A MINUTE. I AM MIXED UP.
NO, IT'S GOT A BRICK DRIVEWAY NOW.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: SEE THIS AND -- SEE WHAT I MEAN.
BECAUSE I DID SEE THAT TOO, MISS BAKER.
AND THEN I WAS TRYING -- SO I WENT BY.
AND FROM EVEN GOOGLE EARTH, IT HAS BEEN PAVED NOW.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: PAVER BRICKS.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: LET ME ON GOOGLE EARTH.
>>MARCIA BAKER: I KNEW THEY GOT A PERMIT FOR THE DRIVEWAY BUT I DID NOT SEE ANYTHING ON THE RECORDS THAT THERE WAS A
-- THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY DONE. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I WENT BY AND I POSTED THE PROPERTY. LET ME JUST HAVE THIS.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: WHILE WE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT.
ARE THERE ANY ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I CAN'T GET FROM HERE.
>> THAT IS NOT PAVED. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: WELL I TOOK THE PICTURE. IF I COULD -- GENTLEMEN, COULD YOU GIVE ME SOME ASSISTANCE PLEASE.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: COULD HAVE BEEN PAVED RECENTLY.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I ASKED MICHELLE MENGARZO AND
THEY GOT THE PERMIT. >> WE HAVE A GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK WHO CONFIRMED THAT THE PROPERTY WAS PAVED.
>> THEY PUT PAVERS IN. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YOU ARE RIGHT. WHEN I WENT BY --
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I POSTED IT.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I REMEMBER NOW, IT HAD PAVERS.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I THINK WE HAVE GOT THAT RES RESOLVED. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF ME? ARE YOU THE OWNER?
>>MARCIA BAKER: IS THERE A NEW DRIVEWAY THERE OR NOT.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: THERE IS A NEW DRIVEWAY
>>MARCIA BAKER: LEADS DIRECTLY TO THE STREET.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: A STOP SIGN AND BINNEY AND WHATEVER STREET THAT COMES IN THAT LEADS RIGHT NO SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE. AND THEN PURPOSE -- BEFORE YOU GOT BACK ON THE BOARD A FEW MONTHS BACK, WE HAD ANOTHER APPLICANT WHO WAS A NEIGHBOR. VERY SIMILAR HOUSING STYLE AS THIS DUPLEX THAT IS JUST TWO HOUSES TO THE SOUTH.
AND THEY -- LIKE PARTIAL DR DRIVEWAY.
THEY DID NOT HAVE THE APRON. AND SO THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PUT IN THE APRON. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DO KNOW EACH OTHER AND PERHAPS THAT IS WHY THERE IS NO DR DRIVEWAY AT THIS HOME. BECAUSE THEY KNEW THIS WOULD
BE REQUIRED. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?
>>MARCIA BAKER: I AM JUST WONDERING HOW THEY GOT PERMISSION FOR A APRON WHERE IT IS LEADING DIRECTLY INTO A CROSS STREET. I THOUGHT THAT WAS NOT ALLOWED
UNDER -- >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: WELL IT IS HERE AND A VERY NICE LOOKING DRIVEWAY.
>>MARCIA BAKER: OKAY. >>MICHAEL BRODERICK: I THINK IF IT WAS PRE-EXISTING THEY HAD A CURB CUT THERE REGARDLESS TO THE DISTANCE OF THE INTERSECTION.
WE RAN INTO A PROBLEM WITH A COUNTY WHERE THE COUNTY WANTED US TO MOVE THE CURB CUT.
>>MARCIA BAKER: THIS IS A CITY STREET.
NOT A COUNTY ROAD. >> BUT IF IT IS AN EXISTING CURB CUT INTO THE PROPERTY, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO
RELOCATE IT. >> MR. CHAIR, QUICK QUESTION.
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ARE THERE SIDEWALKS ACROSS THE STREET BUT NOT ON THIS SIDE?>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: YES, SIR.
AND IF I MAY ELABORATE ON THIS AS WELL.
THIS WAS A DISCUSSION, AGAIN, WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH AT A COMMISSION MEETING. AT THAT POINT WHEN THE COMMISSION MADE A RULING THAT DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WERE SIDEWALKS ON THE OTHER SIDE I DID REMOVE THAT CONDITION THAT THERE BE A PAYMENT IN LIEU.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: NOT HEARING ANYTHING FURTHER.
I WILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.
ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.
IS THE APPLICANT HERE? IS THE REPRESENTATIVE HERE?
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: SHE IS NOT.
MICHELLE LENGARZA AND SHE INVOLVED ME THAT SHE WOULD NOT
MAKE IT TO THE MEETING. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I LIKE
TO HAVE THE APPLICANTS HERE. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I
UNDERSTAND, SIR. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I THINK IF THEY ARE INTERESTED ENOUGH TO APPLY FOR AN APPLICATION SUCH AS THIS, THEY SHOULD BE INTERESTED ENOUGH TO COME TO OUR MEETING.
>>MARCIA BAKER: WHAT IS THE ZONING THERE.
R-2? >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: R 4 A
>>MARCIA BAKER: ALL RIGHT, NEVER MIND.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: NO ONE SPEAKING TO THIS.
I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY OUR NEWEST BOARD MEMBER.
>>MARCIA BAKER: YES. >> MISS CLEMENS.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: YES LEE LEE YES, MA'AM.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YES, MA'AM.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THAT TAKES CARE OF OUR NEW BUS BUSINESS. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC YOU? MAY STEP FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN. YOU CAN SPEAK US TO ABOUT ANYTHING. NOT SEEING ANYONE.
[8. DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
DIRECTOR'S REPORT. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I HAVE NONE OTHER THAN WELCOME ABOARD AND LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU
MIS CUMMINGS. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: LET ME
ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I HOPE NOT. ALREADY DIFFICULT IT AFTERNOON
BUT OKAY. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: PLANNING ON ATTENDING -- WE WERE PLAN ATTENDING TWO COMMISSIONER MEETINGS CONCERNING OUR PROPOSED
COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THIS -- >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER:
DWELLING RENTALS. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: THIS VERY TOPIC DWELLING USE RE RENTALS.
AND TWO MEETINGS WERE POSTPONED AND CANCELLED.
AND I BELIEVE MONDAY IS THE NEW TARGET MEETING THAT WE ARE GOING TO ATTEND AND MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION CONCERNING THE POSSIBILITY OF A -- OF.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: A WORKING GROUP.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: A LENGTHY MEETING.
A PROPOSAL AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.
AND A WHOLE HOST OF ITEMS. YOU ARE REPRESENTING THE PARKING COMMITTEE AND IT WILL PROBABLY LAST A FEW HOURS.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: AND BY NOW, I GOT THE MIC.
YOU CONFIRMED IT TODAY. BY NOW THE TWO OF YOU WORKED OUT A GOOD PLAN HOW TO PRESENT THIS TO THE COMMISSION.
>> SO MUCH NOW THAT WE HAVE GOT IT COMPLETELY MEMORIZED.
>> YOU ARE CORRECT. IT HAS BEEN TWO MONTHS.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO ASK IS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE FOR THAT PRESENTATION THE NUMBER OF CONDITIONAL USE APPROVALS WE HAVE GRANTED IN THOSE TWO MONTHS. I THINK THAT IS A COMPELLING
FACT. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I WILL HAVE THE TOTAL AND THE NUMBER WE HAVE DONE.
>> I THINK THAT WILL GIVE SOME EMPHASIS TO THE TIMELINESS OF THIS GETTING COMPLETED. AND MY HOPE WOULD BE THAT WE GET AUTHORIZATION. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WORKING MECHANICS OF THIS, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT I DID HAVE A CONCERN THAT I WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK OUT OF THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING WITH A CLEAR DELINEATED UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS IS GOING TO PROCEED. AND HAS THAT ACTUALLY BEEN DISCUSSED INTERNALLY AT ALL OR PREMATURE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN IN A CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
>> I BELIEVE IT IS PREMATURE. I THINK WE SHOULD COME WITH SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING.
>> IT MY -- NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT WOULD IT BE THE APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATION -- AND OBVIOUSLY WE CAN DISCUSS THIS ON FRIDAY PRIOR TO THE MEETING, BUT WE NEED SOMEBODY WHO WILL SPEARHEAD THIS COMBINING OF THE WORKING GROUP CONSIDERING THE CITY COMMISSION GOES ALONG WITH THIS. DOES THAT FALL UNDER YOUR DEPARTMENT? CITY MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT? AND ON MY MIND. WE WALK OUT OF THERE, AND SAY
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LET'S GO -- >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS CONCRETE.
>> THERE IS AN IDEA WHERE IT WILL GO POST MEETING?
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: CORRECT.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I THINK MIKE SHOULD BE THE SP
SPEARHEAD ON THIS THING. >> YEAH, THANKS, FRANK.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: IT IS THE PLANNING BOARD THAT HAS BROUGHT THIS WHOLE ISSUE UP -- WHOLE MEASURE UP.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: IT INVOLVES THE NEWEST MEMBER --
NO, I AM ONLY KIDDING. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: WILL BE THE MIND. YOU CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TIME.
URN AT THE COMMISSIONER MEETING UNTIL 9:00.
>>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: HAD ENOUGH ON THIS ITEM.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: GOT TO MAKE IT ESTABLISHED.
>>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: GO FISHING.
EVERY TIME I TRY TO GET HIM. HIS WIFE TELLS ME HE IS
FISHING, GOLF -- >>MICHAEL BRODERICK: COMMENTS I MAKE TO HIM BECAUSE HE IS RETIRED.
THE WORKING DYNAMICS OF THAT WILL BE LEFT TO -- MAYBE THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE IMPACT WHAT DIRECTION THEY WANT TO
SEE IT HEAD IN. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: I THINK THE COMMISSION KNOWS HOW MANY OF THESE THINGS WE HAD IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS. THEY HEAR THEM ALL TOO.
>>MICHAEL BRODERICK: GET INTO THE RECORDS TO SHOW THE VO
VOLUME. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: IF THEY ARE NOT TIRED OF DEALING WITH THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHO
ELSE SHOULD BE >>MARCIA BAKER: A GOOD REASON WHY WE HAD SO MANY IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND APPLICANTS KNOW THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO WOULD NORMALLY SHOW UP TO OBJECT ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES TO
THE VIRUS. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: VERY
POSSIBLE >>MARCIA BAKER: SO A LOT OF THEM HAVE REAPPLIED FROM APPLICATIONS THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN TURNED DOWN, FIGURING THAT NOBODY WILL SHOW UP TO OBJECT. AND AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, IN ORDER FOR SOMEONE TO OBJECT, THEY HAVE TO BE THERE PHYSICALLY IN PERSON. THERE IS NO LONGER ANY WAY FOR ANYBODY TO BE SWORN IN AND DO ANYTHING REMOTELY.
SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD THIS NORMALLY BE TURNING OUT IN FULL FORCE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY BLOCKED FROM PARTICIPATING AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY WE WILL NOT HAVE TO FACE FOR VERY LONG, BUT I THINK THAT -- THAT ISSUE OF THE -- OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE LEGALLY IN THE CITY COMMISSION HEARINGS ON THESE CONDITIONAL USES WHETHER IT IS FOR VACATION RENTALS OR ANYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE SWORN IN
REMOTELY. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: THEY
CAN. >>MICHAEL BRODERICK: ANOTHER COMPELLING FACTOR -- WE WILL BRING THIS UP AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING AS WELL, THAT THE BUSINESS MODEL OF THE -- OF THE SHORT-TERM OR VACATION RENTAL HAS JUST EXPLODED EXPONENTIALLY BECAUSE OF COVID PANDEMIC.
BECAUSE HOTEL OCCUPANCIES ARE DOWN, BUT THE AIRBNB RENTALS
ARE UP MASSIVELY. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: FA
FAMILIES CAN STAY TOGETHER. >>MICHAEL BRODERICK: A FINANCIAL UNDERPINNING TO ALL OF THIS AND WE WILL BE SURE TO EMPHASIZE THAT AT THE MEETING. THAT IS MY PORTION OF THE MEETING THE GLOBAL AND ECONOMIC IMPACTS AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WILL TAKE IT AS FAR AS THE NUANCES OF CONCERN. BUT WE WILL GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AGAIN COME FRIDAY AND MAKE SURE WE ARE SPOT ON.
WE WILL BE READY. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: YES,
SIR. >> MR. CHAIR, I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION OF STAFF, BASICALLY. ON THESE -- I WON'T SAY AIRBNB. BUT ON THESE PARTICULAR APPLICATIONS, CONDITIONAL USES ESPECIALLY, ARE -- IS THERE ANY -- ANYTHING LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE AS COMPARED TO LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED AS THIS BECOMES NO LONGER A RESIDENT, BUT A COMMERCIAL ENTITY HE OF-TO-UPGRADE LANDSCAPING OF A PARTICULAR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO A CONDITIONAL
USE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN OUR CODE SO FAR.
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RENTING THEIR HOMES OR UNITS OUT NOW,
THEY ARE DOING MORE. >> THEY ARE DOING MORE? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE FOR THEIR APPLICATION, THAT THEIR PROPERTY IS IN GOOD ORDER AND THE LANDSCAPE SOMETHING IN GOOD ORDER.
IF IT IS NOT IN GOOD ORDER. WE SHOULD HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY GET IT IN GOOD ORDER TO THE ASPECT OF COMMERCIAL
PROPERTY. >>JENNIFER HOFMEISTER: SOMETHING THAT WE ADD AND DISCUSS WITH THIS WORKING GROUP OF SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT EXTERIOR
FACADE AND APPEARANCE. >> JUST SOMETHING I THOUGHT OF BECAUSE I THOUGHT HOW WONDERFUL THAT ONE LOOKED.
THE HEDGES AND STUFF. AND YOU PUT THE AERIAL UP AND LIKE A FOREST AND SUCH. AND SO MUCH OF THE PROPERTY -- THERE ARE PROPERTIES IN FORT PIERCE THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE THAT. IF THEY COME HERE AND ASKING FOR CONDITIONAL USE TO BE COMMERCIAL, TO BE USED AS A
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COMMERCIAL PROPERTY, THEN MAYBE WE COULD REQUIRE THEM TO[9. BOARD COMMENTS]
UPGRADE. >>FRANK CREYAUFMILLER: OUR NEXT ITEM IS BOARD COMMENTS. I HAVE GOT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. NUMBER ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER OUR CONDOLENCES TO MAYOR HUDSON AND HER FAMILY ON THE LOSS OF MAYOR HUDSON'S HUS HUSBAND, JOHN KNOX BAILEY.
I DID SAY THAT RIGHT? IT WAS RATHER QUIET WHEN HE PASSED AWAY. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY SERVICES.
BUT MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILY.
ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY OF BRIGADIER GENERAL CHUCK YEAGER'S PASSING YESTERDAY ON PEARL HARBOR DAY.
PROBABLY FITTING FOR A MAN OF HIS STATUS IN THE MILITARY.
HE -- HE WAS MOST NOTED FOR THERE BEING THE FASTEST MAN IN THE WORLD. HE BROKE THE SOUND BARRIER ON OCTOBER 14, 1947. WE WERE ALREADY IN THE AIR FLYING FAST ENOUGH TO BREAK THE SPEED OF SOUND IN 1947.
IT'S AMAZING TO ME. AND ALSO, YESTERDAY, MAYOR HUDSON, COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON WAS RESWORN IN OR SWORN BACK IN. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT TO THEIR RESPECTIVE POSITIONS. MAYOR HUDSON, OF COURSE, THE CITY MAYOR OF FORT PIERCE. JOHNSON REPRESENTING DISTRICTS ONE. COMMISSIONER -- NEW COMMISSIONER -- FIRST-TERM COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON WAS ALSO SWORN IN YESTERDAY AFTERNOON.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME HIM TO THE COMMISSION.
AND I MUST SAY THAT HE WAS SWORN IN AT 5:00.
BEGAN A COMMISSIONER MEETING AT 6:00.
AND WAS 100% PREPARED AND EXTREMELY ACTIVE IN THAT MEETING. PRESENTED DISTRICT TWO EXTREMELY WELL. I WAS VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH WHAT I SAW FROM COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON.
AND I GUESS WE ARE GOING TO BE CALLING HIM AT COMMISSIONER MEETING C JON VERSUS J JOHNSON.
JEREMIAH JOHNSON. SO I WAS WONDERING HOW WELL THAT WAS GOING TO WORK OUT. AND IT WORKED OUT PRETTY WELL.
SOME WELCOME TO MR. CURTIS JOHNSON AND CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER JAY JOHNSON.
AND ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? NOTHING? THIS WAS OUR LAST MEETING FOR THE YEAR.
I WOULD LIKE TO WISH EVERYBODY A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR AND I GUESS WE ARE COMING BACK ACCORDING TO THIS SCHEDULE ON JANUARY 12 OF 2 2021.
YEARS ARE JUST FLASHING BEFORE MY EYES
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.