Jul 14, 2021 Planning Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> WE ARE OPENING OUR PLANNING MEETING OF JULY 14, 2021.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE INSTRUMENTS, PLEASE TURN IT OFF. THAT INCLUDES OUR BOARD MEMBERS. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE STAND WITH US TO PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE.

NORMALLY, I TALK ABOUT POLITICIANS THAT MAY HAVE PASSED AWAY. OTHER NATIONAL EVENTS ? NOT THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A COUPLE OF POLITICIANS PASS AWAY.

OF COURSE, DONALD RUMSFELD PASSED AWAY AT ? 88, WAS IT? I THINK? BUT WHAT I WANTED TO CHAT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT TODAY IS SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE NEWS, FRESH ON OUR MINDS RIGHT HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA.

AND THAT WAS THE COLLAPSE OF ? AND I REALIZE I HAVE BEEN PRONOUNCING IT WRONG ? CHAMPLAIN, NOT CHAMPAGNE, RIGHT? I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT.

IT ALWAYS SOUNDED LIKE THEY WERE SAYING CHAMPAGNE.

AND I'M ONLY GOING TO BRING THAT UP, BRIEFLY, BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS SOMETHING WRONG ABOUT THAT BUILDING THAT IT FELL DOWN. THAT SORT OF THING JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN IN AMERICA WITH ALL OF OUR CODES AND ROLES, AND THE WAY THAT WE WATCH THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDINGS.

IT WAS A TERRIBLE DISASTER, OBVIOUSLY.

WE'VE LOST, SO FAR, I THINK THE COUNT IS CLOSE TO 100 PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE FOUND. I THINK THE NUMBER WAS AN ESTIMATED 123 OR 125 PEOPLE THAT WERE MISSING.

I THINK A COUPLE OF THOSE PEOPLE CAME FORWARD THAT THEY WEREN'T EVEN IN THE BUILDING YET AT THAT TIME.

BUT THERE IS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO WAS IN THE BUILDING.

AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO PRONOUNCE HIS NAME RIGHT.

MS. CARRERA, IF I'M NOT DOING THIS RIGHT, TELL ME ? ONE MORE? MORA? X MORA.

>> YEAH, YOU'VE GOT THAT LITTLE ROLE OF THE TONGUE GOING! ONE MORA WAS IN INSTRUMENTING GENTLEMEN. DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS GOING ON ? TWO THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW WAS GOING ON.

AND I'M ROLLING THIS OVER INTO CUBA.

BECAUSE WE'VE GOT RIOTS, PROTESTS ? WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM ? GOING ON IN THE STREETS OF CUBA RIGHT NOW.

AND HOPEFULLY, SOMETHING GOOD FOR THE CUBAN PEOPLE COMES OUT OF THAT. AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS ? I BET YOU MR. BURGE KNOWS ABOUT THIS.

THE WHOLE SITUATION IN CUBA WITH THE BAY OF PIGS STARTED UNDER EISENHOWER. AND I'VE ALWAYS REMEMBERED MY HISTORY AND CORRELATED IT UNDER JFK.

BUT IT ACTUALLY STARTED UNDER EISENHOWER.

ANNA PROGRAM WAS PUT TOGETHER TO DRAFT, IF YOU WILL, CUBANS INTO A SPECIAL UNIT, HEADED BY THE CIA TO BE THE FRONT LINE AND LEAD ON THE INVASION OF THE BAY OF PIGS.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND THIS GENTLEMAN ? I CAN'T DO IT THE WAY YOU DO IT ? MORA ? WAS INVOLVED IN THAT.

AND HE WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THAT PUT HIS HAND UP AND SIGNED UP WITH THE CIA TO BE TRAINED BY THE US MILITARY TO INVADE HIS OWN COUNTRY IN THE BAY OF PIGS, WHICH WAS TO DO AWAY WITH THE RUSSIAN MISSILES THAT WERE ARRIVING IN CUBA.

AND IN FACT, THEY WERE ALREADY STARTING TO ASSEMBLE THAT WHOLE MISSILE INSTALLATION. AND THAT GENTLEMAN WAS IN THE CHAMPLAIN TOWER WHEN IT COLLAPSED.

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UNFORTUNATELY, HE LOST HIS LIFE THAT DAY IN THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOUTH PART OF THAT SOUTH TOWER. AND I JUST CAN'T HELP BUT TO THINK OF THAT FELLOW SINCE I DISCOVERED THAT.

AND SO, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CHAT ABOUT.

IT TURNS OUT HE BECAME AN AMERICAN ? WAS EDUCATED HERE IN AMERICA LATER. JUST ANOTHER AMERICAN HERO THAT IS OF CUBAN DESCENT, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF CUBAN DESCENT PEOPLE FROM CUBA HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA.

IT MEANS A LOT TO OUR AREA. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> MR. ALBURY. MR. BURGE?

>> PRESENT. >> DID MR. ALBURY CALL IN?

>> MR. ALBURY STATED HE WOULD BE IN ATTENDANCE TODAY.

>> DO WE WANT TO HANDLE THAT NOW, OR DO WE WANT TO HANDLE

THAT AT THE END OF THE MEETING? >> IT CAN WAIT.

>> DON'T LET ME FORGET. >> I PROMISE.

[a. Minutes from the June 14, 2021 meeting]

I'LL WRITE IT DOWN. >> ALL RIGHT.

I WOULD LIKE A MOTION FOR THE MINUTES.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

[a. Future Land Use Map Amendment - RV Storage - 2192 Peters Road]

>> YES SIR. >> OKAY.

WE WILL VOTE ON THEM SEPARATELY.

AND MR. CRAGIN IS THE PRESENTER.

>> WERE WE GOING TO REORGANIZE THE AGENDA?

DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW? >> OH, I AM SORRY! I WROTE IT DOWN ? SEE THAT? I'M HAVING ONE OF THOSE DAYS! YES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MOVE ITEM G UP IN PLACE OF ITEM C. AND MOVE EACH OF THOSE OTHER ITEMS DOWN ONE NOTCH. THANK YOU.

SO, MR. CRAGIN IS GOING TO PRESENT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE RV STORAGE AT 2192 PETERS ROAD.

AND ALSO, THE REZONING OF THAT SAME ADDRESS.

>> MR. CREAGAN: GOOD AFTERNOON. ? THIS PROPERTY WAS RECENTLY ANNEXED INTO THE CITY NOT TOO LONG AGO.

SO YOU JUST ACTUALLY SAW THIS UPON ANNEXATION.

IT ACTUALLY HAD A COPENHAVER ADDRESS.

IT IS NOW BEEN CHANGED TO PETERS ROAD TO CORRELATE WITH THE ROAD IT IS ON. THE FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY IS RL RESIDENTIAL. WE WILL GIVE OUR LAND USE OF GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THE CURRENT ZONING IS SINGLE-FAMILY OF TWO DWELLING AND ACRE E2.

UPON REZONING, IT WILL BE GIVEN RC THREE COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATION. THIS CORRELATES WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE AREA AND OTHER FUTURE LAND USES THAT THIS BOARD APPROVED WITHIN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. AS NOTED THE REQUEST FROM LOW DENSITY TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. IN THE ZONING CHANGE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY DWELLING TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

IT'S CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 125 AND 136 OF THE CITY CODE IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN. IT DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE OR GENERAL WELFARE.

SO THE POSSIBLE ACTIONS IS TO APPROVE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. AND YOU CAN ALSO DISAPPROVE.

AND THIS IS WHERE I WILL STOP. >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON

THE FUTURE LAND USE. >> SO QUESTIONS REGARDING

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APPROVE THIS FIRST. >> I WOULD RATHER KEEP THE QUESTIONS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MR. BRODRICK.> MR. CHAIR, DO WE HAVE TO OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC HEARING FIRST?

>> YOU'RE RIGHT! BOY, I NEED YOUR HELP TODAY,

I'M TELLING YOU! >> THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE

(LAUGHING)! >> THAT'S THE FASTEST DECISION

I'VE EVER SEEN! >> DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE SPEAKING TO THE SUBJECT? I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE.

I'LL CLOSE IT TO PUBLIC MEETING AND COME BACK TO THE MOTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH A SECOND BY MS. CLEMENS.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. TAKING ROLL]

[a. Rezoning - RV Storage - 2192 Peters Road]

>> AND JUST TO REITERATE, THE ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT, POSSIBLE ACTIONS BY THE PLANNING BOARD IS TO APPROVE AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.

OR YOU CAN OPPOSE RECOMMENDED MOVEMENT.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? >> MR. CHAIR, JUST ONE QUESTION. WE HAVE A FUTURE PLANNED RV STORAGE FACILITY. I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SITE PLAN FOR THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD?

>> YES.> OKAY. I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I'M NOT SEEING ANY. WOULDANYONE LIKE TO.

>> MS. BAKER: THIS? I WILL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.

I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION TO THE MEETING AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ? >> MOTION TO APPROVE.>

SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BRODRICK AND SECOND BY MS. JOHNSON SCOTT.

[b. Annexation - 1701 Woodward Drive]

AND MR. CRAGIN IS PRESIDING. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO BEFORE YOU TODAY, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION AT 1701 WOODWARD DRIVE. FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY AT THE COUNTY IS ARE YOU RESIDENTIAL URBAN FIVE DWELLING IS AN ACRE. ONCE ANNEXED IT WILL BE GIVEN RL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. IT CURRENTLY HAS A COUNTY ZONING OF RS4 RESIDENTIAL SINGLE VALID FAMILY.

UPON ANNEXATION IT WILL BE GIVEN ARE ONE SINGLE-FAMILY LOW DENSITY. THE ANNEXATION MEETS THE STANDARD OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLANS.

PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PROPOSED ANNEXATION. I WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE BOARD?

>> JUST ONE.OW ARE THE OTHER PROPERTIES DESIGNATED IN THAT AREA?> THEY ARE ALL DESIGNATED ARE ONE ZONING AND

RL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. >> OKAY.

>> IS THIS PROPERTY SURROUNDED BY PROPERTY IN THE CITY

CURRENTLY? >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, THERE ARE TWO PARCELS TO THE SOUTH THAT ARE WITHIN CITY

LIMITS. >> AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THERE'S A MIX OF COUNTY AND CITY PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA.

SO THIS IS ONE OF OUR TARGETED AREAS FOR TRYING TO GET OUR FIRST SET OF INNER LOCAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO

ANNEX. >> SO ALL OF THE PROPERTY ISN'T

ZONED FOR ? ?. >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING MIX!

>> IT'S HARD TO DO REAL GOOD PLANNING WHEN YOU'RE ?.

>> WAS THIS A VOLUNTEER ANNEXATION?

>> IT WAS. WE HAVE ACTUALLY EXHAUSTED ALL OF OUR ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS. SO WE HAVE TO RELY ON VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS OR AGREEMENTS WITH THE COUNTY.

>> I BELIEVE THAT THE STATE LAW IS THE NEXT PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO SHARE A BOUNDARY LINE WITH THIS PROPERTY IN ORDER FOR

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STATE ANNEX IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES SIR.

>> I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO YOU RAISE THE QUESTION ABOUT.

[INDISCERNIBLE]. IS THERE A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT THE CITY CONTACTS THESE ADJOINING PROPERTIES TO SEE IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN BEING ANNEXED? OR DID SOMEBODY COME FORWARD AND SAY THEY WANT TO ?.

>> IF THEY RECEIVE WATER OR WASTEWATER FROM THE AUTHORITY, TYPICALLY AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT WOULD'VE BEEN SIGNED.

BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE PROBABLY RECEIVING THOSE SERVICES FOR DECADES, IT'S POSSIBLE THEY WEREN'T SIGNED.

SO IT WOULD BE COMMON FOR THE UTILITIES TO GO OUT AND GET

THOSE AGREEMENTS. >> ANOTHER PROACTIVE WAY OF

BRINGING THEM INTO THE FOLD. >> IT IS AN EXHAUSTING TASK.

>> THAT'S JUST LIKE A SHOTGUN ANNEX.

>> AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE A LOT OF ANNEXATIONS COMING.

AND ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, WE ARE PROVIDING A GROUP OF ANNEXATIONS THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE READY HAVE THESE AGREEMENTS WITH. AND WE ARE ALSO ? WE DID HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY BACK IN MAY.

ONE OF THE ITEMS OF DISCUSSION WAS PULLING BACK UP THAT DRAFT IN THE LOW SHOW SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT THAT WAS NEVER ADOPTED. IN PARADISE PARK, WHICH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS, WAS THE FIRST TARGETED AREA FOR A GROUP ANNEXATION. AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME THROUGH AN ARRANGEMENT WITH THE COUNTY.

AND THEY WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

SO THIS WAS PRESENTED AT THE COMMISSIONER MEETING ON MONDAY, THAT WE ARE ? ? TO ASSIST US. THEY DID DO THAT PRESENTATION AT THE JOINT MEETING. SO THEY WILL BE WORKING AT BOTH THE COUNTY AND CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO GET THAT AGREEMENT BACK AND UPDATE IT. THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS.

>> IT WOULD HELP THE PEOPLE IN THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE IT WOULD ALSO OFFER THEM A REDUCTION IN THE UTILITY

COSTS, WOULDN'T IT? >> YEAH.

>> BECAUSE. [INDISCERNIBLE] SURTAX.

AND BETTER PLANNING AND PUBLIC SERVICES AND REPRESENTATION.

A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ? YOU KNOW YOU HAVE THE FOUR PEERS ADDRESS AND YOU THINK YOU ARE IN THE CITY AND THEN YOU'RE NOT. AND IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, WHO ARE YOU CALLING? IT'S EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW? WHO AM I CALLING? SHERIFF?

CITY? >> AND ALL THE VACANT PROPERTIES THAT YOU SEE, IF THEY EVER GET DEVELOPED, THOSE WOULD BE THE CANDIDATES FOR SIGNING AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT. WHEN YOU GET WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE NOW, YOU HAVE TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M LOOKING AT THE MAKEUP OF THE PROPERTY ? THE BORDER. IT SAYS IT'S ALMOST 4/10 OF AN ACRE. ARE THERE ADEQUATE SETBACKS IN

ORDER TO BUILD A HOUSE ON? >> THERE IS A SINGLE-FAMILY

HOME RIGHT NOW. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> AND ITS CONFORMING?

>> IT IS, YES. >> ANYTHING FURTHER? I'LL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. BACK TO THE BOARD ? ANY FURTHER

COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> A QUESTION OF CURIOSITY.

YOU SET A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE? >> YES I THINK IT'S A SINGLE

GENTLEMAN'S RESIDENCE. >> I WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY. AND YOU PROBABLY DID TOO.

IT LOOKS MORE LIKE A DUPLEX. YOU HAVE TWO FRONT ENTRANCES.

>> IT COULD BE. IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WAS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. BASED ON A CONVERSATION WITH

THE OWNER. >> I RAN BY THERE IN BETWEEN MEETINGS, AND IT DOES HAVE TWO FRONT DOORS ON IT.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY HAVE BEEN USED AS A DUPLEX AT ONE TIME.

NO TELLING OVER THE YEARS. IT'S AN OLD HOUSE.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING WITH A CONVERSATION WITH THE OWNER IS THEY WERE GOING TO RENOVATE THE STRUCTURE AND IT WAS GOING TO

BE THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE. >> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS?

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MR. BURGE AND A SECOND BY MS. BAKER.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. TAKING ROLL]

[g. Disposal of Surplus Property - 133 N. 10th Street ]

>> I AM NOW GOING TO BRING UP THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS THE NEW ITEM C, DISPOSE OF SURPLUS PROPERTY AT 133 NORTH 10TH

STREET. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD.

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SO THIS IS A PRIME PROPERTY. IT IS JUST UNDER 1/4 ACRE.

IT'S OWNED ARE FOR AND ITS MARKET VALUE ACCORDING TO THE APPRAISER IS ABOUT $5500. SO WE PUT OUT A REQUEST FOR BIDS BACK IN MARCH AND WE RECEIVED FIVE BIDS FOR THIS PROPERTY. THE HIGHEST GOING TO BRENDA SMITH AND JOHN BASS. THEY ARE OUT OF WASHINGTON DC, BUT MS. BRENDA SMITH IS A FORT PIERCE NATIVE.

THEY OWN HISTORIC HOME THAT THEY RENOVATED TO LOTS DOWN FROM THIS THAT THEY USE AS THEIR SECOND VACATION RENTAL.

THEY BID $13,100 FOR THIS PROPERTY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY JUST SAID VACATION RENTAL.

THAT IS NOT WHAT THEY USE IT FOR.

THEIR VACATION HOME! (LAUGHING) LET'S NOT GO THERE! (LAUGHING) [LAUGHTER] OKAY. SO THEY BID $13,100.

THEY RENTED TOTAL OF 196/200. HEIR BID INCLUDES EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR WHEN WE LOOK AT THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA AND CITY SURPLUS PROPERTY. THEY WILL BE CONSTRUCTING A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME THAT THEY CAN COME AND RETIRE TO WITHIN ABOUT TWO YEARS, THEY SUGGEST. THEY'RE LOOKING AT PURCHASING THE LOT IN BETWEEN THEIR CURRENT HOME AND THIS LOT, SO THEY CAN BUILD A SUBSTANTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOME.

THE BUILDING THAT THEY ARE ESTIMATING THE VALUE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IS ABOUT $200,000. AND AS I MENTIONED, THEY PLAN TO BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF 2023.

SO OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO AFFORD A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE SALE OF THE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY AT ONE 3310 NORTH 10TH STREET TO BRENDA SMITH AND JOHN

BASS OF WASHINGTON DC. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS ? THE VERY TOP PAGE ? AND I SAW THE SCALE ? I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER TODAY TO SOME OF OUR STAFF.

AND I SAW THE WASHINGTON DC. AND I SAID I DON'T LIKE THIS.

I KNOW THAT IT HAS MORE POINTS. AND I KNOW THAT'S THE WAY WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE DONE IT ANYWAY.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE OUTLYING THAT OUR COMMISSION GAVE US THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE KINDS OF PROPERTY BE SOLD TO, HOMETOWN PEOPLE ? THAT'S A SHAME, YOU KNOW? EVEN AT WORST CASE SCENARIO, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN, PERHAPS, ONE OF THE OTHERS THAT WERE WITHIN THE THREE TOP.

BUT WHEN I DUG INTO IT, AND THEN I FOUND HER LETTER THAT

SHE WROTE ?. >> IT WAS NICE, RIGHT?

>> I SAID YOU KNOW, SHE'S THE RIGHT PERSON.

NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. AND WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT, PERHAPS, BUYING THE PROPERTY ADJOINING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ? AND SHE WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THE TWO PARCELS TOGETHER, IT REALLY

SEALED THE DEAL IN MY MIND. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO, JOB WELL DONE. ANY OTHER CONVERSATION?

>> THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE IS I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NEW CUT CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA. SO THIS IS A WELCOME ADDITION AND GREAT USE OF THE PROPERTY. I'M EXCITED TO SEE DIRT GETTING

MOVED AROUND. >> ABSOLUTELY.

AND TO YOUR POINT, WE PUT A CLAUSE IN ALL OF THE DEEDS THAT SAY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD YOUR CONCRETE PAD WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME. IN THIS CASE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THEIR HOUSE COMPLETED WITHIN TWO YEARS.

WE LIKE TO HAVE THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE POINT ? IT'S THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THESE LOTS IN THIS AREA.

SO YEAH, IT'S A GREAT POINT. IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL ADDITION

TO 10TH STREET. >> ANY OTHER CONVERSATION OF THE BOARD? I'M NOT HEARING ANY.

I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS? I'M NOT HEARING ANYONE.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

I'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. (LAUGHING).

>> WE HAVE A MOVE FOR APPROVAL BY MS. JOHNSON SCOTT AND A SECOND BY MS. CLEMENTS. I'M GIVING IT TO THE OTHER LADY THIS TIME (LAUGHING)! CALL OR ROLL, PLEASE.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE TO SEPARATE YOU TWO LADIES, ?

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[c. Conditional Use - Orange Blossom Storage - 4204 Okeechobee Road]

CRAGIN IS BACK IN THE HOT SEAT. >> SO THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4204 OKEECHOBEE ROAD. THIS WAS THE FORMER ORANGE BLOSSOM MALL NOW ORANGE BLOSSOM BUSINESS CENTER.HIS IS OWNED BY THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD.

IT'S GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL WITH THE ZONING OF C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THE REQUEST IS A USE APPROVAL TO OPERATE A 1290 UNIT SELF STORAGE BUSINESS.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AS IT IS CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING USES AND ZONING. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH 125 TO 37 IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN AND IT DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, OR GENERAL WELFARE.

THE USE WILL BE INTERNAL TO THE BUILDING AND WILL NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE OUTSIDE. THE SITE WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR UPDATING LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING WITH THE APPLICANT.

AS PART OF ANY RESERVATION RENOVATION TO THE OUTSIDE, THE APPLICANT WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO BRING THE BUILDING UP TO ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING CODES AND MAKE SURE THE BUILDING IS COMPLIANT WITH FLOOD PROTECTION STANDARDS AT THE TIME OF THE BUILDING PERMIT. MOST OF THE ORANGE BLOSSOM BUILDING CENTER WAS FLOOD PROTECTED DURING, I WANT TO SAY, AFTER HURRICANE MATTHEW HAPPEN.

AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS PORTION OF THE BUILDING STILL NEEDS TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE FLOOD PROTECTION STANDARDS IN PLACE. SO THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT. AND THE ENTIRE ORANGE BLOSSOM SITE CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 800 PARKING SPACES.

IT'S JUST A FLOOR PLAN TO GIVE YOU THE IDEA OF HOW IT WILL BE LAID OUT INSIDE THE BUILDING. THERE WILL BE 24 HOUR ACCESS GIVEN TO POLICE AND FIRE VIA KNOCK BOX.

IT WILL BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.HE CUSTOMER ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING.

OTHER THAN THAT, IT WILL BE CONTROLLED BY A GATE ? OR A CODE OR SOME SORT OF MECHANISM THAT WILL ONLY LET THE STORAGE UNIT OWNERS GET INTO THE BUILDING.

SO THE GENERAL PUBLIC SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET INTO THE BUILDING.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST SUBJECT TO NO CONDITIONS. POSSIBLE ACTIONS BY THE PLANNING BOARD IS TO PROPOSE APPROVAL.

YOU CAN APPROVE WITH CHANGES OR YOU CAN DISAPPROVE.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE BOARD?

>> I'VE A QUESTION. THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING IS STILL GOING TO BE THE SCHOOL BOARD?

>> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GOING TO SELL IT TO A PRIVATE GROUP. AND MARTY IS ACTUALLY HERE SO HE CAN OPINE ON THIS.> THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS A CONTRACT WITH A BUYER.N THIS APPLICATION IS PART OF THEIR DUE DILIGENCE FOR CLOSING. SO UPON APPROVAL OF THE SCUM OF THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY AND THE NEW BUYER WILL OWN AND OPERATE THIS FACILITY.

I DO WANT TO REPORT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ENTHUSED THAT THIS BUILDING IS MOVING FORWARD. GETTING IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLL. YOU KNOW, PUTTING IT TO WORK IN THE COMMUNITY AS A RESOURCE. THE REMAINDER OF THE MALL, ACTUALLY, WAS SOLD LAST FRIDAY TO ANOTHER GROUP THAT'S LOOKING AT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE REST OF THE MALL AS WELL.

SO THE TWO BUYERS ? OUR BUYER AND THE OTHER BUYER THAT CLOSE ON FRIDAY ? ARE WORKING WELL TOGETHER.

WE BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF REVITALIZATION OF THAT AREA AS WELL. SO WE ARE EXCITED MOVING IT

FORWARD. >> AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THIS IS THE OLD SEARS BUILDING?

>> RIGHT. >> BUT IT'S THE ONLY SECTION THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT ST. LUCIE COUNTY OWNS?

>> YEAH. IT IS THE OLD SEARS BUILDING.

AND AS BRANDON INDICATED, THE REMAINDER OF THE MALL AFTER HURRICANE IRMA WAS FLOODED. AND THAT OWNER AT THE TIME FLOOD PROVED THAT ENTIRE BUILDING.

THEY PUT WATERPROOF MEMBRANE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THEY FLOOD PROOF BETWEEN OUR BUILDING AND THEIR BUILDING.

THEY HAVE EMERGENCY GATES TO GO IN ALL THE DOOR OPENINGS IN THE CASE OF A FLOOD. SO WE ANTICIPATE THE NEW BUYER WILL DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR. AND I WILL GIVE YOUR BUILDING

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SO THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO.

AND I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL KEEP THINGS IN ORDER AND GET IT PROPERLY FLOOD PROVED SO IT WILL MINIMIZE LOSSES IN THE FUTURE.

>> VERY GOOD. >> MAY I ASK, DO YOUR CONTRACTS

INCLUDE A HOLD HARMLESS CLAUSE? >> I'M NOT SURE THAT HOLD HARMLESS ? YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BUYING IT AS IS.

WE'VE DISCLOSED ALL OF THE FLOODING AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE BUYER IS WELL AWARE OF THE HISTORY OF THE FLOODING OF THE PROPERTY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

>> I MEAN, HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, IF BY SOME MS. CHANCE OF FLOOD DID DAMAGE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY IN, LET'S SAY, THE UNITS WOULD ANYBODY HAVE ANY RECOURSE AGAINST THE SCHOOL

BOARD. >>.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. BECAUSE, WE ARE SELLING IT, LIKE I SAID, AS IS. WE DISCLOSED THAT.

AND CERTAINLY, THE BUYERS ARE WELL AWARE OF THAT.

THEY HAVE TO GET INSURANCE. THEY'VE GOT MORTGAGES AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I BELIEVE THE SCHOOL BOARDS

WHILE PROTECTED. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

>> MR. CHAIR, I COULD BE NOT RECALLING THIS CORRECTLY, BUT I THOUGHT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE HAD DONE SOME TYPE OF BLANKET EXPANSION OF USES AT THIS FACILITY.

>> AM I NOT RECALLING THIS CORRECTLY?

>> AND CAN YOU EXPAND ON THE COMMENTARY IN YOUR PRESENTATION REGARDING SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY ARE BEING REQUIRED TO

MAKE? >> SO AS PART OF THE WHOLE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE, THEY WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO DO LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPING UPGRADES.

AND BECAUSE THERE IS A MASTER HOA WHO CONTROLS THE ENTIRE SITE ? THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE TABLE AND COME TOGETHER AND DECIDE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE SITE.

>> WHEN DOES THAT HAPPEN? >> ACTUALLY, WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE NEW OWNERS OF THE OTHER PORTION OF THE ORANGE BLOSSOM MALL ABOUT POSSIBLE PD AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE. SO WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THAT IS A STAFF THAT WILL COME FORWARD.

SO THAT'S WHY IT IS NOT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ON THIS PROJECT. IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, YOU CAN IF THAT MAKES YOU MORE COMFORTABLE. BUT WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT IN STAFF THAT IT WILL COME TO FRUITION BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH BOTH GROUPS.

>> AND IF I MAY, YOU WILL BE SEEING THAT PROJECT AND THAT THEY HAVE CLOSED. WE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM FOR SOME TIME NOW. AND YOU WILL SEE THAT DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROJECT BEFORE THE SPORT.

>> SO THE PLAN WE WILL EXPECT TO SEE WILL BE A NEW LANDSCAPE PLAN, A WRITING PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE ?.

>> THE ENTIRE ? HOA CONTROLS EVERYTHING.

>> AND IF WE MAKE A CONTINGENCY ? ? UNTIL THE SITE IS DEALT

WITH? >> IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, I WOULD NOT ? ?

>> THAT WOULD BE ON THE MASTER PLAN WHEN THE ENTIRE SCOPE

COMES IN? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY, I'M GOOD. THANK YOU.

>> SO BASED ON YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU SUGGESTED THAT THERE IS AN ASSOCIATION THAT HAS CONTROL OVER THE

UPGRADE IN TERMS OF ?? >> FOR THE NEW OWNERS OF THIS PROSPECTIVE SITE, THEY HAD TO GET APPROVAL FROM THE MASTER

HOA TO DO THE SELF STORAGE. >> SO THE HOA IS RESPONSIBLE

FOR ALL THE LANDSCAPING? >> THE LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, PARKING ? EVERYTHING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

>> OKAY. >> IT WILL COME IN AT SOME POINT OF TIME IS WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING? I WANT THE WHOLE THING TO COME IN AT THE SAME TIME.

>> MR. BURGE ?? >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

BACK DURING THAT TIME ? WITH SOME OF THE FLOODING WAS THE CAUSE BECAUSE SOMEONE DIDN'T OPEN UP THE FLOODGATES THAT

WERE LOCATED ON BANK CREEK? >> NUMBER MY BACKGROUND ? I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER. I WAS ACTUALLY THE ST. LUCIE ENGINEER FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AS MY BIZ PARTNER USED TO SAY, THE GROUND IS TOO SHORT. THE PROPERTY IS ABOUT ? THE

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WE'VE NEVER HAD MORE THAN FIVE OR SIX INCHES OF WATER IN THAT BUILDING. REALISTICALLY, THERE WAS A BAD FLOOD MAP AT THE TIME THAT THE MALL WAS BUILT.

AND EVERYBODY RELIED ON THAT AND MADE BAD DECISIONS ON RELYING ON THAT MAP. AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT A FOOT TOO LOW. SO IT'S A LARGE WATERSHED AND THERE IS A BIG FLOODPLAIN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS THAT RUNS INTO THE NORTH FOLK OF THE ST. LUCIE RIVER FLOODPLAIN ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHITE CITY. YOU CAN SEE THE ELEVATIONS ALL THE WAY BACK THROUGH HERE. IT'S JUST THE FLOODPLAIN.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BY THE BOARD? I'M NOT SEEING ANY.

I'LL OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? IF YOU WOULD ? I THINK THERE'S A SIGNING SHEET IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SIGN IN PLEASE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MICHAEL HOUSTON WITH.

[INDISCERNIBLE] DESIGN STUDIO REPRESENTING THE APPLICATION WHICH IS LAND AMERICA. I THINK STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF GOING THROUGH THE ISSUES WITH THE STAFF REPORT.

AND IF YOU ALSO LOOK AT THE SUBMITTAL THAT WE MADE, WHICH WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CAREFULLY WITH BOTH THE HOA FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT AS WELL AS MARTY AND THE GROUP FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, WE'VE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.

WE'VE LOOKED AT THE LETTER OF SUPPORT.

THE MARKET REPORT, WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE NEED FOR SELF STORAGE IN THIS AREA. WE HAVE A GREAT BUILDING.

MARTY AND THE SCHOOL BOARD PUT ON A CHILLER ON THIS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO THAT IS SUPER EFFICIENT FOR THE AIR CONDITIONING. WE WILL NOT MODIFY THE BUILDING, BUT WE CERTAINLY WILL MODIFY THE INTERIOR FOOTPRINT.

AS YOU CAN SEE, WHAT'S UP IN FRONT OF YOU, THE SITE IS MUCH BIGGER THAN WE NEED FOR PARKING.

SO WE HAVE IDEAS ABOUT HOW THAT MIGHT MOVE FORWARD AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF AND THE NEW OWNERS TO SEE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. UT TODAY, WE ARE HERE FOR THE STORAGE. WE HAVE SUPPORT FOR IT AND WE THINK IT'S A GOOD USE FOR THE PROPERTY.

AS MARTY SAID, FROM 2017 IT HAS BEEN VACANT OR GENERALLY VACANT. AND THIS BRINGS IT INTO THE TAX ROLLS IN A WAY THAT WE THINK WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF BUSINESSES. QUITE FRANKLY, A LOT OF THE STORAGE ? THIS IS A HIGH-END STORAGE FACILITY ? WILL BE RESIDENTIAL. BUT THERE ARE ALSO DOCTORS OFFICES AND MEDICAL OFFICES AND DIFFERENT FIRMS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO KEEP RECORDS STORAGE.

AND THEY DO THAT IN AN AC SETTING.

THIS IS QUITE THE CONTRAST IN THE OLD WORLD STORAGE WHERE YOU DROVE UP IN YOUR OLD TRAILER, ROLLED UP THE DOOR, AND PUT IN WHATEVER YOU PUT IN. THIS IS ALSO CONTROL.

AND AS STAFF MENTIONED, THERE ARE SECURITY CAMERAS.

SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING IN FOR PIERCE.

THE COMPANY IS ACQUIRING OTHER PROPERTIES AND WE ARE EXCITED

TO BE HERE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> YES. WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING IN

EMERGENCY PUMPS? >> YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A CIVIL ENGINEER, SO MARTY MIGHT BE ABLE TO.

>> MS. BAKER: THAT. >> ACTUALLY, THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO FLOOD PROOF THE BUILDING.

WHAT THE REMAINDER OF THE MALTED WAS FLOOD PROOF IT.

AND THEY HAD SMALL EMERGENCY PUMPS INSIDE, SO IF THE GREATS SEEP A BIT, THEY PUMP THE WATER OUT.

IN TALKING WITH LAND AMERICA, I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING AT A SIMILAR TYPE OF FLOOD PROOFING THAT WOULD HAVE SUMP PUMPS INSIDE THE DOORWAYS. THE PROBLEM THAT YOU HAVE WAS TRYING TO FLOOD PROOF THE SITE, OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE BASIN RELY ON THAT FLOOD STORAGE. SO IT'S VERY HARD TO JUST PROTECT YOUR SITE. I THINK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. IN WHATEVER MANNER THAT'S THE BUYERS CHOICE ? ON THE MANNER THAT HE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD AND. BUT THERE ARE FEMA REGULATIONS AND GUIDANCE DOCUMENTS THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT USES.

SO I THINK THEY WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NORMAL COMMERCIAL USE.

BUT HERE, YOU WERE HAVING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN THE STORAGE UNITS ? IN A FACILITY THAT'S PROBABLY CENTRAL STATION FIRE AND BURGLAR ALARM AND ALL SORTS OF SECURITY CAMERAS.

IT SEEMS PRUDENT IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO ADVERTISE THE FACILITY BESIDES HAVING THAT AVAILABLE.

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>> WELL, WE CERTAINLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS HAVE A FACILITY THIS LARGE AND THE QUALITY OF THE PROJECT TO HAVE ANY FLOODING.

SO, I THINK WE ARE OPEN TO WHATEVER THE BOARD SUGGESTS.

BUT I THINK WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL YET IN TERMS OF THE WATERPROOFING. BECAUSE THE REST OF THE CENTER DID WATERPROOFING, WHICH WAS TWO FEET ? MAYBE 2 AND A HALF

FEET ?. >> FOUR FEET.

>> SO THEY DID WATERPROOFING LITERALLY RIGHT UP AGAINST THE COMMON WELL WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD SITE.

SO WE PROBABLY WOULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR.

I'M JUST NOT SURE IF THAT'S THAT AND A SUMP PUMP.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT REASON TO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU SAID DOES NOT HAPPEN.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED A CAREER IN RADIO? (LAUGHING) VERY GOOD! THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE. I'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I'M NOT HEARING ANY. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.>

I AM IN APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION OF APPROVAL BY MS. BAKER AND A SECOND BY MR. BURGE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[d. Conditional Use - Nole Dwelling Rental - 1501 Thumb Point Drive]

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

REBECCA. [NAME] PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE OF APPROVAL FOR NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NO VACATION.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1501 THUMB POINT DRIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THUMB POINT DRIVE. THE PROPERTY HAS A ZONING DESIGNATION OF R2 AND FUTURE LAND USE OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THE FLORIDA STATE LEGISLATURE HAS DONE (LAUGHING).

THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ? THE SAME FIVE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE FOR EVERY SINGLE CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.HERE WE HAVE LIMITED THE VEHICLES FOR TWO AND THE APPLICANT IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS.

POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE BOARD IS TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE OF THE FIVE CONDITIONSWITH NO CHANGES OR YOU CAN ? I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

>> AND IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, MS. CARRERA WAS PRESENTING.

I DID NOT INTRODUCE YOU (LAUGHING)!

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. CARRERE? >> WAS THERE A DISCUSSION WITH THIS APPLICANT REGARDING WAITING FOR THE REGISTRATION

AND THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORTH? >> THEY DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD GIVEN THE UNCERTAIN TIMING OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED CURRENTLY

BEFORE CITY COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M NOT HEARING ANY. I WILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. SPECIFICALLY, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU.

AND IF THERE IS ANYONE ELSE, THIS IS THE TIME TO SPEAK.

IF YOU WOULD, SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD. MY NAME IS MIKE KNOLL.

I RESIDE AT 1147 HERNANDO STREET, APARTMENT A.

>> YOU CHOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ACTIVITY THAT'S GOING ON, PRESENTLY, IN THE CITY CONCERNING CONDITIONAL USE.

AND YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT WAS WHAT? AND 'M ONLY ASKING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT SOME BACKLOG ? AND I'M EXPECTING TO SEE SOME OF THAT BACKLOG.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE EFFORT THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING THROUGH, PRESENTLY, IS PROBABLY GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE LONGER THAN THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN IT TAKE.

SO I'M ANTICIPATING THAT WE WILL PROBABLY SEE SOME MORE APPLICATIONS. AND I'M CURIOUS INTO YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS. I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON YOU, PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, SUGGESTS THAT I DON'T ?.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I'M NOT A POLITICAL PERSON AT ALL. I WENT TO THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT THREE OR FOUR MONTHS AGO, AND I SAID I WANTED TO RENT THIS HOUSE OUT FOR. LESS THAN SIX MONTHS.

IT WOULD TAKE 3 TO 4 MONTHS TO GET IT THROUGH.

AND I TOOK THE STEPS AND I AM WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS AS

I STARTED. >> OKAY.

BUT YOU WERE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT MOVE FORWARD? IS THAT WHAT WE DID? I MEAN ? DID ?.> MR. NOEL DID NOT INDICATE IF HE WANTED TO PULL OUT OF THE PROCESS.> OKAY.

I GUESS THAT'S THE QUESTION I AM TRYING TO ASK.

I'M GLAD YOU HAD THE ANSWER WITHOUT THE QUESTION (LAUGHING)! OKAY, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIMING. AND THE TIMING DOESN'T ? THE TIMING DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. BUT IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIMING STOP THAT THE CLOCK TICKED OUT AND HERE WE ARE.

>> THE PROCESS WAS STARTED PROBABLY THREE MONTHS AGO.

AND THE FEES HAVE BEEN PAID ? THE INITIAL APPLICATION FEE.

I GOT THE SURVEY ? THAT WAS AN EXPENSE.

I SPENT A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO GET TO THIS POINT AND I FEEL LIKE I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ?.

>> YOU CERTAINLY DO! I DON'T DISPUTE THAT AT ALL.

ANY COMMENTS? QUESTIONS?

>> MR. NOEL, WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FAIRLY RECENTLY,

WHY DID YOU BUY IT? >> WELL, TO BE HONEST, I WASN'T LOOKING TO BUY PROPERTY. MY DAD WAS IN TOWN VISITING.

WE WERE OUT IN TOWN AND WE DROVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND WE SAW THERE WAS AN OPEN HOUSE.

SO I ASKED MY DAD, WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT? AND I WAS EXPECTING HIM TO SAY NUMBER HE'S USUALLY A PRETTY MUCH NOT, I'M GOOD. BUT WE TOOK A LOOK AT IT AND WE LOVE THE PROPERTY. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.

>> YOU BOUGHT IT FOR WHAT PURPOSE IS WHAT I'M SAYING?

>> I BOUGHT IT BECAUSE I LIKE THE PROPERTY.

I HAD ANOTHER HOUSE ON HERNANDO STREET THAT I ENJOY.

I OWN A COUPLE OF LOTS THAT I PLAN ON BUILDING A NICE HOME FOR MY FAMILY. UPON TRYING TO START THE BUILDING PROCESS, IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE AND TIME-CONSUMING.

SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO BUY A POOL HOME IF I WANTED IT. I COULD PURCHASE IT AND IT WAS READY TO GO, VERSUS DEALING WITH ALL OF THE ENGINEERING.

AND IT WILL PROBABLY BE LESS OF AN INVESTMENT THAN IF I WENT TO BUILD SOMETHING SIMILAR ON THE LOT THAT I ALREADY OWN.

>> YOU BOUGHT IT, ACCORDING TO YOUR MORTGAGE, AS A RESIDENTIAL HOME. 211.

>> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE ASKING.

>> YOUR MORTGAGE SAYS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR RESIDENCE.

>> OKAY. TO BE VERY CLEAR, THERE'S NO

MORTGAGE ON THIS PROPERTY. >> THERE IS NO MORTGAGE? OKAY, VERY GOOD. HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU BOUGHT IN? HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE HOUSE IS

IN? >> IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE IN ONE DAY. IT'S A GORGEOUS NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> AND HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE NATURE OF VACATION RENTAL BUSINESS IN THE HOUSE?

WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE?>> CAN

I GET BACK TO MY NECK? >> I REALLY THINK WE ARE GETTING OFF ?

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>> SO WE HAVE THE REQUEST BEFORE US.

IT'S EITHER CONSISTENT OR IT'S NOT CONSISTENT.

AND WE HAVE THE FIVE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

>> I DON'T THINK THIS LINE OF QUESTION IS A GOOD WAY TO GO.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE OUR LEGAL ADVISOR HERE TODAY. BUT I'M GOING TO PUT AN END TO

IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MS. BAKER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR.>>

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I'M NOT HEARING ANY.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MR. CHAIR, I MOVE FOR

APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION OF APPROVAL BY MS. JOHNSON SCOTT AND SECOND BY MS. CLEMENTS. CALL ROLE, PLEASE.

[e. Conditional Use and Waiver of Distance - Bamboo Palms Arcade - 1717 S. US Highway 1]

AND MR. GILMORE IS PRESENTING. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS. THIS IS A WAIVER OF DISTANCE AND CONDITIONAL USE FOR BAMBOO PALMS ARCADE AT 1717 S. US HIGHWAY ONE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF OHIO AVENUE AND SOUTH US HIGHWAY ONE. THE PROPERTY HAS A GENERAL COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE WITH A C-3 ZONING COMMERCIAL ZONE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR 1/1100 30 SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY ON WHICH WILL BE DEDICATED ADULTS 21 YEARS OF AGE AND UP. 8 AM TO 12 AM SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY HOURS AND 8 AM TO 2 AM FRIDAY AND SATURDAY HOURS.

22 ARCADE MACHINES, ONE OFFICE, AND TWO RESTROOMS. APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER OF DISTANCE IS TO OPERATE THE 22 ARCADE MACHINES IS BECAUSE IT'S WITHIN THE 1250 FEET OF ANOTHER ARCADE AMUSEMENT CENTER ? GATEWAY PLASMA ARCADE.T'S ALSO NEAR THE TRIPLE ROYAL ARCADE, WHICH IS AN OUT PARCEL.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. AND FOR YOUR WAIVER OF DISTANCE, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS PER THE CITY CODE:THE ACTUAL LOCATION AND DISTANCE OF THE PROPOSED ESTABLISHMENT IN RESPECT TO BUSINESSESLICENSED TO SELL INTOXICATING BEVERAGES. THERE IS A WALGREENS NEXT DOOR, AND THERE IS AN ALDI'S TO THE SOUTH ? WELL, TO THE NORTH AT THE CORNER OF OHIO AND US ONE. AND THEN, NUMBER TWO, THE TYPE AND SIZE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT ? DOES IT CREATE A PUBLIC NUISANCE OR TRAFFIC IMPEDIMENT BY DRAWING CROWDS OF PERSONS ABOUT THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING?BOTH THE SIZE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT IS RELATIVELY SMALL FOR COMMERCIAL USE, SO WE DON'T SEE THAT AS AN ISSUE. ALSO, NUMBER THREE, IS THERE ADEQUATE PARKING AND LANDSCAPING FOR THE FACILITY? THE 17 PARKING SPACES WITH THREE DESIGNATED HANDICAP SPACES, WHICH IS REQUIRED. THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING THE 17 SPACES WITH THE EXISTING THREE DESIGNATED HANDICAP SPACES. THE APPLICANT WILL NOT PROVIDE EXISTING ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE TO THE EXISTING SITE.

NUMBER FOUR, THE FACILITY IS BUFFERED FROM AN ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LYONS AREA. THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL AREAS. BUFFERING IS NOT NEEDED.

AND NUMBER FIVE ? I'M SORRY. NUMBER FIVE, WHETHER THE TRAFFIC GENERATED BY PATRONS OR PICKUP DELIVERY VEHICLES WILL

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IT DOES NOT OFFER A SERVICE, BUT RATHER ENTERTAINMENT.

ANY PICKUP OR DELIVERIES WILL BE MODERATELY LOW IN NATURE OR NONEXISTENT. AND THE NUMBER OF POLICE CALLS ? IT'S NOT SHOWING ? HOLD ON. THE NUMBER OF POLICE CALLS TO THE PROPOSED LOCATION OR ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITHIN THE PAST YEAR ? AN UPDATE WOULD BE PROVIDED TO CITY COMMISSION.

IT'S BEEN REQUESTED FROM THE 9/11 SERVICES AND WE ARE STILL WAITING ON THE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST.

SO YOU HAVE THE CONSIDERATION FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE, APPROVAL FOR THE AMUSEMENT CENTER.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH THREE CONDITIONS.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE APPROVAL FOR THE WAIVER OF DISTANCE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE THREE CONDITIONS THAT WE RECOMMEND ARE, NUMBER ONE, INSTALL A BICYCLE RACK WITH MINIMUM REQUIRED SPACES. NUMBER TWO, PLEASE ADHERE TO CITY CODE SECTION 125 ? 325. NUMBER THREE, A LOT COMBINATION AND UNITY OF TITLE OR A COVENANT IN LIEU OF UNITY OF TITLE FOR PARCELS 24, 15 ? 311 ? 004 ? 000 ? THREE.

AND THE ADJACENT PARCEL, WHICH THE APPLICANT WILL BE PROVIDING MORE PARKING TO PROVIDE CONTINUAL ACCESS FOR SUSTAINABLE COMMERCIAL SITE. POSSIBLE ACTIONS FOR THE WAIVER ? YOU COULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER WITH NO CHANGES OR YOU CAN RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL OF THE WAIVER.

POSSIBLE ACTIONS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE: YOU CAN RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH NO CHANGES.

RECOMMEND WITH CHANGES. RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL OF USE.

>> ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY OUR BOARD?

>> YES. COULD YOU REFRESH MY MEMORY ABOUT THE REGULATIONS FOR ARCADES SUCH AS THIS, IN REFERENCE TO ALCOHOL? THERE'S NO PERMITTED ALCOHOL ON PREMISES ON ANY OF THE ARCADES. I NOTICED THE WAIVER OF DISTANCE TO ALCOHOLIC ESTABLISHMENTS ? WHERE IN THE

CODE ? IS THAT IN THE ?. >> CODE SECTION?> CODE SECTION. WHERE THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO

BE NEAR ?? >> IT DOESN'T STATE THAT THEY CAN'T BE NEAR AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT SELLS ALCOHOL.

BUT THERE IS A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT FROM ANOTHER ARCADE

AMUSEMENT CENTER. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT IS THERE A DISTANCE REQUIREMENT IN THE ARCADE ?.

>> FROM AN ALCOHOL ESTABLISHMENT?

NUMBER. >> THEN WHY IS ?.

>> DOESN'T ASK THAT QUESTION? WE DON'T KNOW.

>> MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE ARE HAVING OUR STAFF BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING A NUMBER OF ARCADES.

AND WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING THROUGH THIS CODE SECTION AS TO WHY THIS IS IN THERE AND WHETHER WE ARE INTERPRETING IT DIFFERENTLY. SO WE DO HAVE THIS AS AN ITEM

FOR INTERPRETATION. >> THANK YOU.

I THOUGHT IT WAS WEIRD. >> WE AGREE WITH YOU.

WHY HAVE A WAIVER OF DISTANCE AND MENTION ALCOHOL? IT DOESN'T FLOW RIGHT. IT'S AN INCONSISTENT SECTION AND WE ARE WORKING ON CLARIFYING THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU PROVIDE MORE DETAIL ON THIS UNITY OF TITLE ISSUE RELATIVE TO CONTINUAL ACCESS FOR SUSTAINABLE COMMERCIAL SITE MUST BE COMPLETED RELATIVE AND TIE THAT INTO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT? I UNDERSTAND THE ANALYSIS ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE.

SO LET'S START WITH THAT FIRST, AND I'LL SEGUE TO THE PARKING ISSUE THAT'S ACTUALLY MORE FOREFRONT IN MY MIND.

BUT THIS APPEARS TO BE CONNECTED TO THAT IN SOME

CAPACITY? >> CORRECT.

SO THERE ARE TWO PARCELS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING ADDITIONAL PARKING, WHICH WOULD BE TOWARDS THE REAR IN THIS AREA.

AND THAT PARCEL IS ACTUALLY A SEPARATE PARCEL.

AND IT'S OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER.

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>> THE PARKING THAT'S REQUIRED FOR THIS FACILITY, BASED ON OTHER USES, WAS A PARKING CALCULATION DONE TO DETERMINE THE EXISTING PARKING ON-SITE ? OKAY ? IS INADEQUATE TO SATISFY THE NEEDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR USE?

>> CORRECT. >> SO TO BE ASSURED THAT THAT PARKING IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE, IT'S A VACANT PIECE OF LAND NOW. THEY HAVE TO DO IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT ADDITIONAL PARCEL, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> SO THIS IS ALL LINKED.

THEY CAN'T GET THEIR OPERATIONAL APPROVAL UNTIL THE PARKING IS CREATED, WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE.

HICH MEANS THE SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO COME IN THERE AS

WELL? >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT BUILDING PERMITS FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING.

>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD.

>> BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A LANDSCAPE PLAN AND LIGHTING

PLAN AND ALL OF THE ABOVE? >> THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT

PROCESS. >> OKAY.

SO THE LANGUAGE YOU HAVE IS CRITICAL TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING ETC. FOR THE SITE?

>> AND WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THIS WILL BE DONE AS THE OWNER

OWNS BOTH PARCELS. >> YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT THAT WOULD BE IN ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL? THAT IT WOULD BE COMPLETED AND SUBSEQUENTLY THOSE ADDITIONAL APPROVALS TO THE OTHER SITE WOULD BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO

THIS BECOMING OPERATIONAL? >> CORRECT.

>> CORRECT.> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

COMMENTS? >> JUST A COMMENT.

I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING ALSO.

AND EXACTLY WHERE BUT THEY ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING.

BUT YOU HAVE ANSWERED THAT. DO WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY FEET WE ARE CONCERNED WITH? AS FAR AS THE DISTANCE TO THE

NEXT ARCADE? >> YES.

SO WE MEASURE IT FROM PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE ? GATEWAY PLAZA IS 470 FEET AND THE ARCADE IS 1171.

>> AND THEY SHOULD BE 1250?> THEY SHOULD BE MORE THAN 1250.

>> MR. CHAIR, I WANT TO COME BACK TO THIS PARKING ISSUE.

IT IS TROUBLING ME SOMEWHAT. WITH WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF US NOW, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH ? WOULD BE THE WEST OF THE BUILDING OR EAST ? IT APPEARS THERE IS SOME SORT OF SERVICE OR EXCESS WEIGHT UP BACK THERE? I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHERE THE DUMPSTERS ARE LOCATED, AIR CONDITIONING EQUIPMENT AND SERVICE EQUIPMENT. THAT'S WHERE DELIVERY VEHICLES ARE ENTERING THE PROPERTY FOR THE EXISTING TENANT BASE.

SO THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF TRANSITION FROM THE SCREEN AREA WITH WALKWAYS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE.

AND REAR ENTRANCE WAYS INTO THE BUILDING.

I GUESS MY DISCOMFORT ON THIS IS I LOOK AT THIS AS NOT BEING A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW AS TO WHAT'S GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE. WE HAVE A PIECE OF THE PUZZLE BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER PIECE IS GOING TO BE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A PARKING LOT, BUT THAT BACK ALLEYWAY IS BEING USED AS A SERVICE CORRIDOR CURRENTLY.

>> WHILE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE 17.

AND IN THE PACKET ? LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT.

SO IF THERE'S A RETAIL PLAZA, PYOU HAVE TO CALCULATE BY THE USE. AND THE APPLICANT PROVIDED THAT IN THEIR PACKET FOR EACH USE ? LIKE, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES.

>> I WASN'T AWARE THAT WE HAD THE LINKAGE TO CREATING PARKING ON THE OTHER LOT. IS THAT MR. MINARD BACK THERE WHO'S RAISING HIS HAND? I THOUGHT I RECOGNIZED HIM.

>> WHEN WE LEAVE THIS UP TO THE APPLICAT?

>> LET'S GET THE REPRESENTATIVE UP HERE.

>> MR. MINARD, STEP FORWARD, PLEASE.

>> MIKE MINARD. THE PARKING ISSUES ? THE WAY THE SITE WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED, IF YOU LOOK AT THE

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IN THE PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS NOT WITHIN THE ACTUAL BOUNDARY AS WELL. IT'S ON THE ADJACENT PARCEL.

THAT'S PART OF THE UNIT.HEN YOU DO THE PARKING CALCULATIONS, COUNTING THE PARKING THAT'S NOT ON THE PARKING BUT IN THEM PLAZA, THEN WE STILL FALL SHORT.

SO WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE TAKING THE 30 FOOT ROAD AISLE IN THE BACK, WHICH IS USED FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING CURRENTLY.

IT'S NOT STRIPED OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

IT'S WIDE ENOUGH WHERE WE CAN MAKE IT A ONE LANE OR ONE-WAY TRAFFIC WITH ANGULAR PARKING. AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE GETTING OUR ANGULAR PARKING AND. WE ARE CUTTING OUT SOME LANDSCAPE ISLANDS TO ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING.

WE ARE ADDING LANDSCAPING ON THE ENTIRE SITE AND UPGRADING THAT. WE HAVE A MAGIC PLAN AS WELL.

WE HAVE THE BIKE RACK SHOWN AS WELL.

SO WE HAVE EVERYTHING ACCORDING TO THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE PARKING TO WORK BY RESTRIPING THE BACK AND ADDING SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ? ONE WAY ENTER ? DO NOT ENTER.

AND IT ALL WORKS OUT CALCULATION WISE.

>> SO THE PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT THAT I SEE HERE ON THE DRAWING TO THE SOUTH OF THE BUILDING ? IS THAT ??

>> THAT IS TECHNICALLY NOT ON THAT PARCEL.

>> SO IT'S INGRESS TO THE BACK LOT?ECHNICALLY?

>> THERE'S A DRIVEWAY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND ?.

>> THE DRIVEWAY GOES ALONG THE BUILDING.

THERE IS A DRIVEWAY ON THE NORTH SIDE THAT IS NARROWER

THAN THE ONE ON THE SOUTH SIDE? >> THERE'S PARKING ON THE SOUTH

SIDE. >> THE PARKING THAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE DIAGRAM IS ACTUALLY THE PORTION ? PART OF THE BACK LOT THAT BECOMES INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE BACK LOT? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING

ME? >> YOU CAN ACTUALLY GAIN ACCESS TO THE SOUTH PARKING LOT FROM THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, OR FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

IT HAS AN L-SHAPED PARKING LOT. AND THERE'S PARKING FACING THE TIRE STORE. AND THEN, THERE IS THE DUMPSTER

IN THE BACK SOUTHWEST CORNER. >> OKAY.

>> SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS FROM THE NORTH CORNER ? THE SINGLE LANE DRIVE ? WE ARE MAKING IT A ONE-WAY DRIVE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING, AND PUTTING ANGLED PARKING ACROSS

THE BACK. >> SO YOU WILL NOT BE ADDING ANY BLACKTOP ONTO THE GRASS? ON THE GRASS LOTS?

>> WE ARE NOT ADDING ANY ASPHALT.

ACTUALLY, WE ARE REDUCING ASPHALT BY CUTTING IN A

LANDSCAPE ISLAND. >> OKAY.

>> OKAY, MIKE. WE PULLED THE THREAD ON THIS ONE, DIDN'T WE? SO THE REAR ACCESS AREA ? YOU WILL PUT IN ANGLED PARKING THERE ? A ONE LANE SERVICE ?

ONE DIRECTION? >> YES.

>> ARE THERE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS THERE?

>> THE DUMPSTERS ARE ON THE SOUTH CORNER WHERE THE PARKING

IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. >> A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO THAT IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO BLOW THIS UP BY ANY CHANCE?

>> I HAVE A COPY OF THE SITE PLAN IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE A

FULL-SIZE SITE PLAN. >> WAS SITE PLAN REVIEW REQUIRED FOR THIS? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING IS SOMEWHERE I MENTIONED THAT THEY ARE ELIMINATING LANDSCAPE

ISLANDS CORRECT? >> NO, NO, NOPE.

I'M REMOVING A LITTLE ASPHALT TO CREATE A LANDSCAPE ISLAND.

>> OKAY. SO NOTHING IS BEING REMOVED?

>> CORRECT. WE ARE NOT TAKING OUT ANY LANDSCAPING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ROAD IN THE BACK IS 30 FEET WIDE BY 60 FEET LONG.

AND WE HAVE ANGLED PARKING.

WHAT THIS ITEM IS ON THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED A MINOR SITE PLAN WHEN IT COMES IN FOR THE SITE CHANGES. PLANNING AND ENGINEERING WILL BE SEEING THAT MINOR SITE PLANS.

RIGHT NOW, IS THE FIRST STEP TO SEE IF THEY CAN EVEN DO THIS.

>> WE WON'T SEE THAT. >> IT'LL BE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY. BUT BEFORE THEY GET INTO ALL OF THOSE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE

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DISTANCE. >> BASICALLY YOU ARE REALLOCATING BLACKTOP FOR PARKING AND YOU ARE NOT ELIMINATING GREEN AREA. YOUR ONE DIRECTIONAL FLOW ? ETC. ETC. ONE FINAL QUESTION. ? ?.

>> NUMBER THE PARKING IS ADEQUATE FOR THE PLAZA ITSELF.

WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUIRED PARKING DUE TO THE THREE QUARTERS PARKING SPACE PER MACHINE.

AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE MIXED USAGES THAT ARE IN THE PLAZA. WE CAME UP WITH A TOTAL REQUIREMENT, AND THEREFORE HAVE PARKING IN THE BACK.

>> OKAY. I'M GOOD.

SO THAT CLEANS US UP. YOU SAW THE DIRECTION I WAS

GOING IN? >> I UNDERSTAND.

>> IF THIS WAS THE ONLY AREA THAT WAS GOING TO BE TACKLED, I

ENVISIONED A PROBLEM. >> IT WILL REQUIRE A BURNING PERMIT FOR THIS AND INTERVIEWED BY PLANNING AND ENGINEERING.

>> YOU GUYS GOT IT? I'M GOOD.

I'M FINE. I'M DONE.

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MINARD WHILE HE IS HERE, PRESENTLY? HAVE A SEAT, SIR. THANK YOU.

WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU (LAUGHING)! ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M NOT HEARING ANY. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. THAN MR. MINARD?TO THIS OTHER I'M NOT SEEING ANYONE. I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS, CORRECT MR. GILMORE?

>> CORRECT. >> SO THE WAIVER WOULD BE

FIRST. >> THIS IS A WAIVER OF DISTANCE BETWEEN THIS SITE AND THE TWO OTHER SITES.

AND WOULD YOU BRING THAT DIAGRAM BACK UP.

THE REQUIRED DISTANCE BETWEEN THE TWO ARCADES WOULD NEED TO

BE WHAT, NORMALLY? >> MORE THAN 1250 ? 1250.

>> OKAY. AND WE ARE THIS SHORTISH DISTANCE IS 470 FEET WITH THE LONGEST DISTANCE ? AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE ARCADE THAT'S IN THE OLD PALOS SHOE STORE, IS

THAT CORRECT? >> YES.

>> WOULD BE 1181 FEET? >> CORRECT.

>> SO THE 457 IS THE ARCADE THAT IS ? PORTION OF THE STRIP CENTER? IT'S NOT AN OUTBUILDING? IT'S IN THE MAIN PORTION OF THE STRIP CENTER.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR EVERYBODY.

BECAUSE I AM SURE THAT THERE IS STILL A QUESTION ABOUT THE DISTANCE. OKAY.

>> I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE WAIVER OF DISTANCE.

>> SECOND.> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BRODRICK ? MR. BURGE, I'M SORRY. SECONDED BY MS. BAKER.

CALL A ROLL, PLEASE.

IN THE SECOND PORTION OF THIS THAT WE NEED IN MOTION FOR IS

?. >> THE CONDITIONAL USE.

WHICH WOULD BE WITH THESE THREE CONDITIONS.

>> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS.

>> SECOND. >> MR. BURGE, AS PART OF YOUR MOTION, SO THE THREE CONDITIONS YOU ARE SUGGESTING WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO YOUR MOTION, CORRECTLY THE UNITY OF TITLE

INCORPORATED WITH THAT? >> THE ONES THAT ARE PROPOSED

BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >> OKAY.

SO ITEM 3. BUT THIS IS AN EITHER OR, IS IT NOT?

OR COVENANT IN LIEU OF TITLE? >> TWO LEGAL MECHANISMS THAT

YOU CAN UNITIZE THE PROPERTIES. >> AND THE END RESULTS ARE THE SAME? OKAY.

THANK YOU.>> THAT'S IT. I'M GOOD.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BURGE, SECONDED BY MS. BAKER.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. TAKING ROLL] MS. BERNARD, THANK YOU! NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ITEM

[f. Site Plan and Conditional Use - Ocean Village Clubhouse - 2400 S. Ocean Drive]

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW ? DESIGN REVIEW AND CONDITIONAL USE WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE OCEAN VILLAGE CLUBHOUSE, AT 2400 S. OCEAN DRIVE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE OCEAN VILLAGE COMMUNITY.

THE PARCEL ACREAGE IS APPROXIMATELY 40.2 ACRES.

IT HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF HIR AND A ZONING OF OUR FOR A HUTCHINSON ISLAND MEDIUM RESIDENCY ZONE.

THE EXISTING CLUBHOUSE IS APPROXIMATELY 3455 SQUARE FEET.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 6426 SQUARE FOOT CLUBHOUSE.

AND THE CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH YOU ARE PROBABLY WONDERING WHAT THAT'S FOR, IS FOR THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION FOR CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE. IT LOOKS LIKE A RACQUETBALL COVERING AREA. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY THEY HAVE TO DO THE CONDITIONAL USE.

AS FAR AS DESIGN REVIEW, THEY ARE PROPOSING A ONE-STORY BUILDING WITH CLASSIC FLORIDA STYLE ARCHITECTURE WITH THE PITCH ROOF WITH A HOOPLA AND CROWN AND LILY WHITE COLOR SCHEME. THE LANDSCAPING ? TREES AND SHRUBS REMOVED AND RELOCATED. PALMS WE MITIGATED.

TREES TO BE PLANTED WILL INCLUDE EIGHT SABLE PALMS TO COCOA LOMA AND TO NAME NAMES.

[LAUGHTER] AND NEW IRRIGATION WILL BE INSTALLED. ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS THE APPROVAL OF THE REDEVELOPMENT DESIGN REVIEW FOR THE 6426 SQUARE FOOT CLUBHOUSE. WITH AN ASSOCIATE OF PARKING, LANDSCAPING, STORMWATER COLLECTION.

AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE CONSIDERATION OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL USE OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THE VERTICAL AMENITY.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. POSSIBLE ACTIONS IS RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH NO CHANGES, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WHICH CHANGES, RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL, AND FOR CONDITIONAL USE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL, RECOMMENDED APPROVAL WHICH CHANGES, OR

RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL.>> AND WE HAVE TWO MOTIONS ON THIS

ITEM. >> AND WE WILL DO THEM ONE AT A

TIME. >> I WAS GOING TO COMMENT TO YOU HOW WELL YOU DID WITH ALL THE NAMES OF THE VEGETATION, UNTIL YOU ? KIND OF ? RAN A LITTLE BIT THERE.

I THINK THE SAME PEOPLE THAT COME UP WITH NAMES OF VEGETATION COME UP WITH NAMES OF MEDICATIONS!

[LAUGHTER] >> THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF ALL THREE APPLICATIONS.

>> SO WE ARE GOING TO ?. >> WELL, THE FIRST MOTION WOULD

BE THE CONDITIONAL USE. >> WILL DISCUSS THEM BOTH AT

THE SAME TIME. >> YEAH.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE IT APPEAR, BUT I WAS READING THE PLANS AND THERE WAS A REFERENCE TO REFUELING STATIONS.

WAS THAT REFERRING TO THE GOLF CART ? ELECTRIC REFUELING STATIONS? OR WAS THERE SOME OTHER REFUELING STATION THAT ? THAT GOT BY ME SOMEWHERE?

>> NO, I THINK THAT WAS A TYPO. >> THAT WAS A TYPOGRAPHICAL ??

>> YEAH. >> THE ONLY ACTUAL FUELING STATIONS THAT I SAW WERE FOR GOLF CART CHARGING STATIONS.

AND I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHY YOU HAD NEW FUEL STATIONS IN

THE PROPOSAL. >> WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

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>> YEAH, ON THE SITE PLAN, THERE IS SOME VERBIAGE IN HERE THAT, EVIDENTLY, WE PROBABLY PULLED A SITES ? WE PROBABLY PULLED A REPORT UP AND REWORKED THE REPORT.

AND WE FAILED TO TAKE A SMALL SECTION OUT.

I MEANT TO CALL IN MONDAY, I GUESS IT WAS, AND TALK TO ABOUT IT. I GENERALLY CALL ALICIA.

AND I WENT TO SLEEP ON SUNDAY NIGHT, AND I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT EVER AGAIN UNTIL JUST THIS MINUTE!

>> WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND CORRECT IT.

>> MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION RELATIVE TO PARKING.

IS THERE A PARKING CALCULATION THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS

FACILITY? >> FOR THIS FACILITY, THERE WOULD BE. BUT THEY ARE NOT REDUCING ? AND

IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED ?. >> IT'S A PRIVATE CLUBHOUSE.

>> THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS ? I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE LAYOUT THERE. AND THERE IS DEFINITIVELY ? I'VE SEEN ON MULTIPLE OCCASION A PARKING PROBLEM.

WHERE IT IS EXPANDING INTO LAWN AREAS ETC. IT'S COMMON THAT IT IS FAIRLY CONGESTED. BUT MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN REVIEW THAT. BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN MY OBSERVATION AS LATE AS THIS PAST SUNDAY.

AND I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THAT IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSED.

>> WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD AND.

>> MS. BAKER: THAT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

WE HAVE TAKEN THE AREA ADJACENT TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND THERE IS A SMALL PORTION. WHAT WE DID WAS EXTRACT OUT THE LARGER CLUBHOUSE AREA AND ADDED MORE SPACES TO IT.

THAT'S WHERE THAT FRONT PARKING IS FOR THE ADDITIONAL AREA.

I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT PODS OF PARKING AREAS LIKE YOU STATED. SO WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE USE FOR THE AMOUNT OF PARKING AROUND THIS CLUBHOUSE.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE AMOUNT OF PARKING IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THAT VICINITY VERSUS WHAT YOU ARE

CONTEMPLATING PUTTING IN? >> I DIDN'T CALCULATE ALL OF THE PARKING AROUND THERE. I KNOW TO THE SOUTH ? IF YOU WANT TO BRING UP GOOGLE MAPS ? I KNOW THERE'S A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES TO THE SOUTH.

>> A RESTAURANT. >> YES.

AND THERE'S A PARKING TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS SITE, ALONG WITH THE NEW PARKING THAT WE ARE DOING TO THE EAST OF OUR

SITE. >> THE ONLY REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP, I OWN A UNIT THERE, SO I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE LAYOUT AND THE PARKING ISSUES. I ACTUALLY HAD LUNCH AT THE RESTAURANT ON SUNDAY. AND WHEN I ENTERED INTO THE PROPERTY, THE ADMIN PARKING LOT WAS 100 PERCENT FULL.

THE PARKING LOT FOR THE RESTAURANT WAS 90 PERCENT FULL.

I WAS IN THE BACK WEST PARKING LOT, WHICH WAS 50 PERCENT FULL.

THE REASON I AM COMMENTING ON THAT IS THE NEW OPERATORS ARE BUSY. AND THAT'S ONLY A PORTION OF THE FACILITY. I'M CONCERNED THAT WHEN THEY ARE FULLY OPERATIONAL WITH THE MAIN FLOOR OF THE RESTAURANT, THAT THERE SIMPLY IS NOT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT ROOM ? IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, IT'S CLOSE TO MAXIMUM CAPACITY NOW.

AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED.

I HAVE OBSERVED IN THE PAST DURING SEASON, FOR EXAMPLE, THE OVERFLOW PARKING IS IN THE LAWN AREA.

IT IS CONTEMPLATED THAT THAT WILL BE LAWN PARKING?

>> I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT NO ONE HAS BROUGHT IT UP.

I THINK THE REPRESENTATIVE THAT WE'VE TALKED TO, THEY HAVE TALKED TO THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT BOARDS THAT THEY HAVE WITHIN OCEAN VILLAGE COMMUNITY. HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE EXPRESS THAT WE NEED EXTRA PARKING FOR THAT AREA.

WE ARE JUST DOING THE CLUBHOUSE AT THIS TIME.

BUT I'LL EXPRESS YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PARKING FOR THE ENTIRE SITE. I JUST DON'T KNOW, WITH THE AMOUNT OF THE ASSOCIATIONS, WHO WAS ALLOWED TO BUILD WHAT AND IN WHAT AREA. SO I WILL BRING THAT UP TO

THEM. >> THIS IS CONTROLLED BY THE POA? SO THAT AREA IS DESIGNATED UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION I'M GOING TO ASSUME.

IT'S JUST A CONCERN. BECAUSE SUNDAY, IT WAS AT MAXIMUM CAPACITY. AND THAT'S WITH THE RESTAURANT AT 25 PERCENT OPERATIONAL. THESE AREAS ARE WITHIN A STONES

[01:25:21]

SO I HAVE MY CONCERNS. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, I BELIEVE, FOR THE POA MOVING FORWARD.

SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED.

IF THE PARKING IS LIMITED TO THIS ? THESE SPIT 15 SPACES HERE AND THAT'S WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING AS WELL ? MY OBSERVATION IS THEY WERE MAXED OUT.

>> IF I MAY, WITH REGARD ? BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO ISSUES GOING ON. THE RESTAURANT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WHEREAS, THE CLUBHOUSE IS MORE INTERNAL AND PRIVATELY OWNED. SO YOU DO HAVE PARKING FOR IT.

BUCKS THEY ARE WITHIN A STONES THROW EACH OTHER.

THE OVERFLOW PARKING IS GOING TO GO TO THE RESTAURANT.

>> RIGHT. BUT IF IT'S THE BOARD'S PLEASURE, WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE RESTAURANT PORTION AND WHERE THAT PARKING IS PROVIDED AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU THE NEXT MEETING. JUST TO GIVE A BASELINE AS TO WHERE THEY ARE WITH PARKING NEEDS AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY PLANS.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME A SITE PLAN CAME THROUGH FOR THE RESTAURANT. SO WE DO HAVE THOSE PLANS.

>> I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW COLD WATER ON ?.

>> ? I DON'T DISAGREE. I PARKED IN THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING WAS FULL.

JUST TO INDICATE WHERE PARKING IS.

>> ONCE AGAIN, I'M NOT LOOKING TO COME OUT AGAINST THIS.

I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT FOR THE LONG-TERM PROSPECTS OF THE RESTAURANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THEY WILL NEED PARKING.

WHEN I WAS THERE, THERE WAS ONLY 1/4 OF THE RESTAURANT WAS OPEN. IT WAS FULL.

AND THAT WAS GREAT TO SEE. I'M THRILLED THAT THEY ARE OPERATING A SUCCESSFUL OPERATION.

IT IS JUST CONCERNING TO ME. IT'S GOING TO CAUSE DISHARMONY WITH RESIDENTS WHEN WE ARE PARKING CARS ALL OVER THE LAWN AREA ? TO ACCESS THE RESTAURANT AND THE BEAUTIFUL, NEW CLUBHOUSE FACILITY, AND PEOPLE WORKING IN THE ADMIN BUILDING.

THERE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH ROOM. O IT WARRANTS A LOOK.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING TO NOT MOVE FORWARD.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED. >> ARE THESE PICKLE BALL

COURTS? >> THEY AREN'T SURE WHAT THEY

ARE DOING YET. >> OKAY.

THESE TWO VERTICAL ? WHILE ONE IS MARKED IN RED.

I'M GUESSING THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS COURT ALSO HAS A TOWER.

>> YES. >> IS THAT LOWER?

SHORTER? >> IT BASICALLY RUNS STRAIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE. AND IF THAT IS AN ISSUE, WE WILL GLADLY REMOVE IT. ALL IT IS IS FOR POSTS AND A COVER. FOR SOMEONE TO GET SHADE.

>> OH THAT'S ALL THAT IT IS? I WAS THINKING THAT THAT WAS FOR THE ELEVATED JUDGE TO BE WATCHING (LAUGHING)! THAT'S WHERE ? I WAS LEADING WITH IS THIS THING GOING TO POSSIBLY TURN INTO A COMMERCIAL PICKLE BALL COURT FOR ALL OF THESE TOURNAMENTS THAT ARE BEING EXPECTED TO FLOOD FORT PIERCE WHEN WE START PUTTING PICKLE BALL COURTS IN

(LAUGHING)! >> IF THAT CANOPY AREA IS AN ISSUE, WE WILL GLADLY REMOVE IT.

LIKE I SAID, IT'S FOR POSTS WITH A ROOF OVER IT JUST TO

PROVIDE SHADE. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYONE COLLAPSING FROM HEATSTROKE!

>> EXACTLY! [LAUGHTER]

>> THE PARKING ISSUE, I THINK, IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THE MASTER ASSOCIATION.

>> I AGREE. >> I JUST DON'T KNOW.

I WAS JUST HIRED TO DO THE CLUBHOUSE.

BUT BEING AT THE SITE, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES.

BUT WE ARE ADDING SPACES. I THINK WE HAVE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED THE PARKING FOR THE CLUBHOUSE ITSELF, BUT I CAN SEE THE ISSUES THAT YOU ARE BRINGING TO THE TABLE.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

IS THE CLUBHOUSE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR RENTALS LIKE

PARTIES OR RECEPTIONS? >> I WAS TOLD NUMBER I WAS TOLD

FROM SOMEONE ELSE THAT ?. >> WILL YOU KNOW BETTER THAN I DO OF WHAT THE USE IS GOING TO BE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE

A PUBLIC RENTAL. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT OWNERS BEING ABLE TO RENT IT FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR RECEPTIONS FOR WEDDINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT?

>> I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING

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>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BRENTWOOD AND THE ARCHITECT OF THE PROJECT. I BEEN WORKING WITH OCEAN VILLAGE FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS PLANNING THIS PROJECT.

WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THIS WOULD GO.

HOW MANY SQUARE FEET. WHAT USAGES.

THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF CLUBHOUSES AROUND THE PROPERTY.

AND EACH ONE DOES SERVE THE DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES WITH AN OCEAN VILLAGE. THE INTENT FOR THIS CLUBHOUSE IS NOTHING MORE THAN THE CURRENT CLUBHOUSE ONLY BIGGER.

THE CURRENT CLUBHOUSE IS REALLY A COMMUNITY CENTER, IT'S NOT A CLUBHOUSE. WHEN WE SAY CLUBHOUSE FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES, WE THINK OF LOCKER ROOMS AND GOLF CART PARKING.

THIS DOESN'T HAVE THAT. THIS WILL HAVE ? THERE'S A LARGE MEETING ROOM THAT'S DEFINABLE INTO THREE SMALLER ROOMS. THE INTENT FOR THIS ? THOUGH HAVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THEY DON'T HAVE A GOOD PLACE FOR THAT.

THERE IS NO HOUSING BIG ENOUGH. SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY GOAL FOR THIS IS TO GIVE THEM A PLACE FOR THE MEETINGS BUT IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE RENTED OUT FOR ANY EVENTS AND IT'S NOT INTENDED TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY OF THE PARKING IN THE AREA. WHICH WE HAVE MADE AS GOOD AS WE CAN DO. SO WE TOOK THE AREA WE HAD AVAILABLE AND FILLED IT IN. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR

QUESTION. >> WELL, IT DOES AND IT DOESN'T. MANY HOA'S RENTER CLUBHOUSE TO THE RESIDENCE. I KNOW TWO OF THEM THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT I HAVE LIVED IN RENT THEIR CLUBHOUSE TO PARTIES AND SUCH LIKE THAT. AND YOU CAN RENT FOR PARTIES INCLUDING THE SWIMMING POOL. SO MY QUESTION IS, YOU MENTIONED THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT IT COULD BE FOR THE OWNERS? THE OWNERS BEING ABLE TO RENT PART OF THOSE AREAS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT CAN BE DIVIDED WITHIN THE LARGE CLUBHOUSE ITSELF?

>> I UNDERSTAND THEY COULD DO THAT.

I WAS TELLING YOU, IN MY THREE YEARS OF TALKING THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT. THIS BUILDING IS SITUATED INTENTIONALLY ON THE TENNIS COURTS.

THIS IS PRIMARILY FOR THE PEOPLE USING THE SPORTING ACTIVITIES DAILY. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO WILL COME IN AND OUT OF THE HEAT AND USE THE RESTROOM FACILITIES.

SO, NUMBER OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT THE OWNER, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD

IT. >> LET ME ASK STAFF THE FOLLOW-UP ? IF THEY WERE TO EITHER RENT IT TO THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE FACILITY OR THAT MIGHT HAVE PEOPLE COMING FROM OUTSIDE OF THE FACILITY FOR BIRTHDAY PARTIES OR RECEPTIONS, WOULD THAT HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE PARKING? IF IT WAS CONSIDERED A PLACE THAT COULD BE RENTED BY OWNERS?

>> WE DO NOT HAVE A PARKING REGULATION FOR EVENTS, DO WE? BUT THIS IS MORE OF A COMMUNITY ISSUE.

NOT ONE FOR PLANNING. BECAUSE THIS IS A PRIVATE CLUB.

SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S REGULATED BY THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY. AND I WOULD ASSUME THEY WOULD HAVE CONTROL OVER WHO IS RENTING THE SPACE AND HOW MANY NUMBERS OF PEOPLE ? THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW YOU RUN A FACILITY OF THIS SIZE. SO, WE GET INVOLVED WHEN THEY ARE MAKING THESE CHANGES OF SIGNIFICANCE OR ANY ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO HOW THEY ARE OPERATING THEIR CLUBHOUSE IS, WE'VE NEVER ? AS YOU'VE INDICATED, THERE ARE MANY CLUBHOUSES AND THIS ONE HAS FUNCTIONED AS A CLUBHOUSE. IT'S NEVER BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR

ATTENTION. >> IF I MAY ADD TO THAT.

I'VE WORKED ON A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY GOLF HOUSES AND I'VE BEEN IN THIS AREA OF BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME.

THE OCCUPANCY AND PARKING FOR THESE FACILITIES ARE ALMOST ALWAYS RELATED TO THE NUMBER OF MEMBERS.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS.

WE ADDED ON 15,000 SQUARE FEET TO PIPERS LANDING CLUBHOUSE IN PALM CITY A FEW YEARS AGO. WE DIDN'T ADD ONE PARKING SPACE. AND I'M AWARE OF FRENCHMAN'S CREEK AND ADMIRALS COVE. THAT'S TYPICALLY THE WAY THE APPROVALS WORK FOR THESE COMMUNITIES.

>> EVERYTHING WE DO ? ? HAVE BEEN HANDLED INTERNALLY.

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>> AND IF I MAY, THIS WOULD BE MY POSITION ON THIS MATTER.

IF THERE WAS SUCH A SHORTAGE OF PARKING WITHIN A COMMUNITY ? THAT THE MEMBERSHIP IS PAYING DUES AND THEY HAVE BOARD MEETINGS REGULARLY, AND THEY ARE POSTED ? THEY FUNCTION LIKE A LITTLE CITY. SO IF THERE WERE ISSUES THAT WERE BEING BROUGHT FORWARD BY THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, THEN THEY WOULD BE TAKING CARE OF IT.

>> AND THE ASSOCIATION HEARS ABOUT IT.

TRUST ME.

SIMPLY AN ACCESSORY TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'M NOT HEARING ANY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANYTHING FURTHER?

>> I MOVE APPROVAL ON BOTH. >> WELL, WE ARE GOING TO DO ONE. CONDITIONAL USE.

>> I MOVE APPROVAL FOR THE FIRST ONE (LAUGHING).

>> OKAY. WELL, WE HAVE TO SEPARATE IT (LAUGHING). OKAY.

MS. BAKER ?. >> I SECOND IT.

>> AND HER SIDEKICK OVER HERE. THEY ARE WORKING TOGETHER NOW (LAUGHING) MS. CLEMENS SECONDED THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE. CALL ROLE, PLEASE.

MOTION FOR THE WHAT ?? >> THE SITE PLAN.

>> THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW.

>> THERE WERE NO CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO IT?

>> NUMBER. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. CLEMENS, AND SECONDED BY MS. BAKER.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

WHEN I PULLED THIS APPLICATION OPEN A WEEK AGO, ALMOST, I WAS VERY ENCOURAGED TO SEE THAT. REGARDLESS OF ALL OF OUR CONVERSATION. IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY GOOD PROJECT, AND IT WILL BE A GOOD IMPROVEMENT FOR OCEAN VILLAGE.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS

[9. DIRECTOR'S REPORT]

BEFORE I MOVED TO THE DIRECTORS REPORT, MAYBE I'M JUMPING THE

GUN? >> MAY BE!

CAN I START? >> GO AHEAD, AND LET'S FIND OUT

(LAUGHING)! >> CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I JUST WANT TO SAY WE HAVE HAD A WONDERFUL SUMMER HERE THIS YEAR WITH OUR INTERN FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, BRIDGET MURPHY. AND SHE WILL BE LEAVING US AND GOING ON TO HER SENIOR YEAR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

SO WE ARE HOPING THAT WHEN SHE RETURNS TO FORT PIERCE THAT, PERHAPS, THERE WOULD BE SOME CONSIDERATION OF AN OPPORTUNITY

TO WORK WITH HER AGAIN. >> THAT WAS A VERY FAST SUMMER!

>> IT DID FLY BY. >> AND CONSIDERING THAT HER FATHER IS SO ACTIVE HERE IN FORT PIERCE, AND HER MOTHER BEING VERY ACTIVE IN THE CITY, MAYBE WE WILL SEE HER COME BACK. AS LONG AS YOU TREATED HER

RIGHT! >> I FED HER VERY WELL!

>> FEET ARE REALLY GOOD TOMORROW (LAUGHING)! SORRY TO SEE YOU LEAVE. WE WERE HAPPY TO SEE YOU GET HERE AND SORRY TO SEE YOU LEAVE.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOU COMING BACK.

NOTHING FROM THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS?

WHAT ELSE DO YOU HAVE? >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

>> SEE, I WAS GOING TO STEAL YOUR WHOLE THUNDER!

>> I'M GLAD YOU DID NOT! >> AND I NOTICED ? IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE I LOOKED DOWN AND I SAW YOUR NAMEPLATE.

AND MR. CRAGIN WAS SITTING HERE.ND I SAID GEEZ, WE NEED TO GET A NEW NAMEPLATE. AND SURE ENOUGH, ALICIA CAME IN AND SHE FIXED THE NAMEPLATE. AND SHE CHANGED YOUR FIRST NAME AND ADDED YOUR NEW LAST NAME. SO NOW YOU DO HAVE A MIDDLE

[10. BOARD COMMENTS]

NAME! >> THERE YOU GO!

>> YEAH, SO YOU'E NOT THE HALLOWED GIRL OUT ANYMORE.

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I'VE BEEN WRONG BEFORE ? NOT OFTEN.

AND IT'S NOT LATE ENOUGH IN THE YEAR TO HAVE MY ONE TIME BEING WRONG FOR 2021. BUT I THINK THIS MAY EASILY DRAG OUT A COUPLE MORE MONTHS ON THE COMMISSION'S DAIS.

WE KNOW WHAT A COMPLEX ISSUE CONDITIONAL USE IS.

AND THE WORK THAT THE TASK FORCE DID WAS MORE THAN YOU COULD'VE ASKED FOR THE TASK FORCE TO DO.

THEY REALLY STEPPED UP AND DID A JOB ON THAT.

THEY PUT THEIR BEST FOOT FORWARD IT'S VERY HIGHLY CHARGED POLITICALLY AND EMOTIONALLY.

AND THE COMMISSION IS EVEN WRESTLING WITH THE RESULT OF WHAT THE TASK FORCE FINISHED TO GET EVERYTHING DONE.

I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE IT GO A COUPLE MORE MONTHS.

OR AT LEAST A COUPLE MORE MEETINGS.

I HOPE I'M WRONG, BUT I WOULD BE SURPRISED TO SEE IT HAPPEN.

IN THE MEANTIME, IF THEY HAVE DONE OR SAID ANYTHING REGARDING THAT ISSUE THAT YOU AREN'T HAPPY WITH AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD ? AND OBVIOUSLY, AS A MEMBER OF THE CITY ? CALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND TELL THEM. SPEAK UP.

DON'T HOLD BACK. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE ELSE?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, IS THAT TRE?

>> I'M NOT QUITE SURE ON THAT. IT DOES MAKE SOME SENSE.

I KNOW THAT WE SHOULD BE ADOPTING AS PART OF OUR COMP PLAN WHICH WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING.

AND SO, THAT WOULD BE A ROLE. BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING THROUGH AND I HAVE TALKED TO JACK ANDREWS ABOUT COMPLETING THAT PROCESS.O IT'S GOING IN THROUGH THE BUDGETING NOW AND YOU YOU WOULD BE SERVING AS OUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY FOR

REVIEW. >> I THINK WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GIVE SOME ADVICE TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN REGARDS TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET AND PROGRAM.

>> THAT I AM NOT AWARE OF. IF ANYTHING, [INDISCERNIBLE] LOCAL PLANNING REVIEW FOR RECOMMENDATION.

CROSS

>> FOR SOME REASON IT JUST ENDED.

I THINK IT'S WITHIN OUR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

WE ARE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE RESUBMITTING A BUDGET TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO.

>> I'VE NEVER BEEN TOLD ABOUT THAT.

I CAN LOOK INTO THAT. AND YOU HAVE A HISTORY.

YES. DEFINITELY.

I KNOW THAT BECAUSE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN CHANGES EVERY YEAR. [INDISCERNIBLE] BUSINESS. I'M GLAD MS. BAKER SAVED ? WE NEED TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS THE ABSENTEE OF MR. ALBURY.

ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? >> WELL, HE'S NOT HERE.

>> IT'S AN UNEXCUSED ABSENCE. I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE EXACT PROVISION IS. I THINK IT'S THREE UNEXCUSED

ABSENCE ?. >> I BELIEVE IT'S THREE UNEXCUSED ABSENCES, AND YOU ARE ASSUMED ? THAT YOU HAVE NO

INTEREST. >> RIGHT.

>> AND YOU ARE REPLACED. HE IS THE APPOINTEE OF

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>> QUESTION ? WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS FOR EMERGENCY SITUATIONS? SAY, A CAR ACCIDENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW DO THEY GO ABOUT ADDRESSING

THAT? >> I BELIEVE THEY WOULD CALL

IN. >> I MEAN, IF YOU ARE IN A TRUE EMERGENCY YOU WON'T CALL IN BECAUSE YOU AREN'T ABLE TO CALL

IN. >> AND THAT MAY BE A GOOD REASON TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING ?.

>> I MOVED TO POSTPONE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

>> NEXT MEETING? I WOULD ASK THAT WE CLEARLY PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. SO THAT MY GRAY MATTER DOESN'T

?. >>.

[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> JUST PUT A NOTE IN THEIR (LAUGHING) SO IT REMINDS ME. BECAUSE I DIDN'T MAKE IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS MEETING WITHOUT HAVING TO GET REMINDED!

>> I WOULD SECOND THAT MOTION BY THE WAY.

AND MY POSITION ON THIS IS THERE ARE EMERGENCY SITUATIONS THAT COME UP. LIFE GETS IN THE WAY SOMETIMES.

AND I AM MORE IN LINE ? AND ONE OFFICE SUCH AS THIS TO GIVE SOMEONE A HALL PASS AND JUST MOVE ON.

AND EXPECT ATTENDANCE TO BE EXCUSED BY ALICIA.BUT EVERYBODY GETS A HALL PASS IN MY OPINION.HAT'S WHERE I

COME DOWN ON IT. >> OKAY.

WE HAVE A MOTION TO POSTPONE ACTION UNTIL NEXT MEETING WITH

A SECOND. >> MOTION.

DID MARSHA MAKE A ?. >> YES, I MADE THE MOTION.

>> WE HAVE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING FOR HIM TO COME UP WITH A REASON WHY HE WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND.

>> IF I CAN MAKE ONE COMMENT. SOMEONE CAME UP THE BIZARRE STORY OF AN UNEXCUSED ABSENCE ? HE WAS WRAPPED UP IN HIS WINE PLANTS IN HIS BACKYARD. AND THEY WERE THORNY BUSHES.

IT WAS THE MOST REMARKABLE STORY FOR 15 MINUTES.

I SAID YOUR EXCUSED!

[LAUGHTER] >> I'M SORRY IT'S JUST AN INTERESTING ASIDE ASIDE ON ABSENCES.

>> COLOR ROLL, PLEASE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.