Sep 27, 2021 City Commission Special Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER IT'S MONDAY, SET 27,

2021. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES STATES OF AMERICA AN TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS WITH LIBERTY AND JUST -- JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>>

COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. >> ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WOULD

LIKE TO COMMENT. >> SEEING NO ONE MOVE ON.

[5. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> NEXT THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THE APPROVAL OF RECOMMENDATION OF AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE TO AWARD THE BID TO THE HIGHEST

RESPOND END. >> MAYOR.

>>IES. >> AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS COMMITTEE IT WAS A GOOD PROCESS. I APPRECIATE THOSE THAT SAT ON THE COMMITTEE. IT WAS WE HAD SOME SUBMITTALS SO I'LL MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF RECOMMENDATION.

>> IS THERE SECOND. >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION. >> QUICK QUESTION.

JUST LOOKING AT THE METALS, WERE THEY IN A TIGHT BAND OR WAS

THERE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE TOP. >> IT WAS TIGHT WITHIN THE TOP

FOUR. >> TOP FOUR.

>> TOP FOUR OR FIVE. IT STARTED TO FALL OFF A LITTLE BIT. THERE WAS MISSING INFORMATION ON SOME. IT WASN'T REALLY APPARENT.

IT WAS CLEAR CUT AS FAR AS THE COMMITTEE IS CONCERNED OF WHO

THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE. >> OKAY.

>> SO IT WAS A GOOD MEETING. >> YES, SIR.

>> AS FAR AS THE COMMITTEE GOES THERE WAS AN OVERWHELMING

CONSENSUS? >> YES.

>> READY FOR ROLL CALL. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE. >> YOU SECONDED IT.

>> I DIDN'T HEAR IT. >> YOU'RE BLOCKING THE SOUND.

>> COMMISSIONER STEVE JOHNSON. >> PRESENT SHORTLY.

>> COMMISSIONER JAY JOHNSON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER [NAME].

>> YES. >> GLAD WE GOT THROUGH THAT.

>> NEXT WE MOVE ON TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY INTERVIEWS.

WE HAVE MR. DAVID WITH MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT F. WOULD

YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM HIM. >> TO SITE OR START THE PROCESS OFFICER. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SORRY.

>> WE'VE GIVEN YOU THE FINAL REPORT.

WE FORWARDED THE RESULTS OF OUR BACKGROUND CHECKS, ALL THE CANDIDATES CAME WELL RECOMMENDED.

WE FOUND NOTHING IN PARTICULAR TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT ON ANY OF THE CANDIDATES. WE DIDN'T GET A WHOLE LOT FROM TANYA, BUT WE DIDN'T THINK WE NEEDED A LOT FROM TANYA ZONES YOU ALL WOULD BE THE REFERENCES FOR HER.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS UPDATED?

>> I'LL BE HERE ALL AFTERNOON AND IF SOMETHING COMES UP, FEEL FREE TO ASK ME AT ANY TIME ON ANYTHING.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MAYBE LINDA WENT AND GOT THEM. AND COMMISSIONERS, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, WE KIND OF EACH COMMISSIONER ASKED INTERVIEW QUESTIONS. DO WE WANT TO DO THAT LIKE WE DID BEFORE? OKAY.

>> OKAY. >> SO, WITH OUR ELDEST SENIOR

[a. Manny Anon, Jr.]

COMMISSIONER. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> SO OUR FIRST CAN IS MR. MANNY ANON, JR.

>> WELCOME MR. ANON. WE HAVE TALKED TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY. WE ARE GOING TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS AND GIVE YOU TIME TO CLOSE OUT IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA IF YOU

WANT TO START. >> SURE.

FIRST OF ALL IT WAS A PLEASURE TALKING WITH YOU.

>> LIKE WISE, SIR. YOU'RE NORMAL. GO I WOULD SAY -

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>> MY WIFE WOULDN'T SAY THAT THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ABSOLUTELY A PLEASURE SPENDING ALL DAY WITH ATTORNEYS IS NOT ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO.

>> GOOD TO KNOW, SIR. I GUESS I WON'T BE YOUR OFFICE

IF I GET APPOINTED. >> YES, SO WE'VE READ A LOT ABOUT WHO YOU ARE, WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

IF YOU COULD TELL US RIGHT NOW MAYBE IF YOU SPOKE ABOUT ONE OF YOUR, THE ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT YOU'RE MOST PROUD OF.

>> OKAY. >> IT CAN BE NOT LEGAL, BUT JUST TALK TO US ABOUT WHO YOU ARE AND HOW THIS ACCOMPLISHMENT MEANT A

LOT TO YOU. >> I GOT TO START THAT ONE IF IT'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT IF IT'S NOT LEGAL THEN IT'S GOT TO BE THE BIRTH OF MY DAUGHTER WHICH WAS BORN ABOUT A WEEK AGO.

I WELCOME HER SOPHIA. BUT TALK ABOUT PROFESSIONALLY I ASSUME IS THE MAIN THING. THERE'S A LOT I'VE DONE IN MY CAREER. NUMBER 1 I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED MY TIME IN THE MILITARY, OVER 20 YEARS IN THE MILITARY JUST RECENTLY I SHARED WITH ONE-ON-ONE SEPTEMBER FIRST I WAS PROMOTED TO LIEUTENANT COLONEL IN THE ARMY SO THE ARMY THE JAG CORPS SENATE AND PRESIDENT THINK HIGHLY OF THAT PROMOTION SO COMING FROM HISPANIC BACKGROUND CUBA WE APPRECIATE THAT OPPORTUNITY SO THE MILITARY HAS BEEN AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITIES FOR ME AND ALL MY DEPLOYMENTS. WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIFICALLY WITH MY BEING A CITY ATTORNEY SPECIFICALLY I THINK THE MOST I GUESS BOTH REWARDING AND CHALLENGING EXPERIENCE I HAVE TO SAY I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS IS WHAT HAPPENED RECENTLY WITH SEBASTIAN. I THINK I WAS THE PERFECT PERSON THAT PERFECT STORM THAT ARISE. WE HAD THREE PEOPLE THAT VIOLATED THE SUNSHINE LAW. I HAD TO MEET WITH CITY AND THE MAYOR TO SEE WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO.

WE ENDED UP FILING THE INJUNCTION.

I SAW IT MORE AS SOMETHING AS A VIOLATION OF THE RULE OF LAW.

I SAW IT AS VIOLATION OF OR GOVERNANCE.

I SAW IT AS VIOLATION OF INTEGRITY OF MAYOR.

I KNEW AS I SHARE WITH EVERYONE I KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO COST ME MY JOB AND I KNEW GOING INTO IT, BUT ONE THING I LEARNED IN THE MILITARY IS WITH ONE OF OUR VALUES IS PERSONAL COURAGE.

YOU HAVE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND I THOUGHT WHAT I DID WAS HEAL ETHICAL MORAL AND THE RIGHT THING TO DO AND ENDED UP AS A RESULT OF THAT I BELIEVE MY HUMBLE OPINION THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PRETTY MUCH SALVAGE THE CITY, COURSE OF ALL THIS HAPPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC. SO IT'S JUST WITH THAT PERFECT STORM SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE ONE ACCOMPLISHMENT I THINK I WAS THE PERFECT PERSON FOR THE PERFECT STORM WEATHERING THE LAWSUITS AND COUNTLESS OTHER STUFF.

WE HAD THE RECALL WE ALL KNOW, SEBASTIAN HAS TO BE NOW THE ONLY CITY IN THE HISTORY THAT I KNOW OF IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS GONE FROM POINT A TO POINT Z WHEN IT COMES TO RECALL WHERE THE ONLY ONES HAVE DONE THAT TO MY KNOWLEDGE SUCCESSFULLY AND SAME THING WHEN I COMES TO THE OUR INVOLVEMENT WHEN IT CAME TO THE SUNSHINE LAW VIOLATION WHAT WE DID AS FAR AS GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

UP TO THE END WE ARE THE ONLY CITY THAT I KNOW OF THAT HAS GONE FROM POINT A TO POINT Z. I KNOW MANNY COUNTY HAD AN ISSUE WITH THE CHARTER VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW BUT THAT WAS RULED IN FAVOR OF THE COMMISSIONER.

BUT YOU WILLLY THAT TOO WENT FORWARD AND WE WERE INVOLVED BEGINNING TO END ALL CONVICTED BY JURORS OF THEIR PEERS AND SENTENCED SO I THINK ALL THAT EXPERIENCE IS SOMETHING I'M PROUD OF AT LEAST BEING INVOLVED LIKE I SAID PERFECT STORM AND BEING THERE WEATHERING IT WITH EVERYONE WAS A TEAM EFFORT BUT

GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU.

PLEASURE GETTING TO CHAT WITH YOU THIS MORNING.

>> LIKE WISE SIR. >> GOING THROUGH SOME OF YOUR BACKGROUND, VERY IMPRESSIVE, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BIRTH OF

YOUR DAUGHTER. >> ONE THING YOU KNOW ABOUT CHARTER ET CETERA TWHING CITY ATTORNEY TOUCHES ALL ASPECTS OF CITY GOVERNMENT SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT YOUR STYLE OF LEADERSHIP AND ANY EXAMPLES THAT YOU HAVE ORCHESTRATED WITH OTHER EXPERIENCES, YOU'VE BEEN WITH PORT ST. LUCIE AND SMASH.

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE QUESTION.

OTHER THAN THE QUESTION WITH COMMISSIONER PERONA, MY LEADERSHIP STYLE I HAVE THOSE ARMY VALUES WHICH -- THING WENT OFF. THE LEADERSHIP VALUES IS WHAT WE HAVE, AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK I'M NOT SURE WHICH COMMISSIONER I SHARED IT WITH ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT INVOLVED WITH QUESTIONABLE THINGS DEALT WITH THOSE DAYS THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA ISSUE WHERE WE HAD TO COME FORWARD AND WE HAD TO RAISE THE ISSUES IN THAT CASE PSL COMMISSION LET THEM KNOW WHAT THE LAW SAID AND OF COURSE EVERYONE WAS SPLIT WHAT TO DO BECAUSE AT THAT BEEN POINT IN TIME YOU COULD EITHER AGREE NOT TO HAVE IT OR AGREE TO GO FORWARD SO IT WAS A LOT OF EDUCATION SO I'M KIND OF PROUD BEHALF WE DID THAT AS FAR AS EDUCATING THEM.

ULTIMATELY THEY SELECTED TO ALLOW THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY MUCH WHAT THE VOTERS WANTED AS WELL SO THEY WENT THAT ROUTE. VERY PROUD OF MY TIME WITH SEBASTIAN WHEN IT CAME TO THE CURRENT SITUATIONS.

I THINK THAT IT'S ALLOWED ME TO GROW EXPONENTIALLY.

I'VE BEEN THERE A NUMBER OF YEARS SO THOSE THINGS IN PSL WORKING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRAINING PEOPLE WITH THAT SKILL AS WELL WITH MEDICAL MARIJUANA, TRAINING H.R. PEOPLE, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING I CAN.

I'M NOT SURE IF I FULLY ANSWERED.

>> IF YOU WOULD DESCRIBE YOUR LEADERSHIP STYLE WHAT WOULD IT BE? HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR

STYLE OF LEADERSHIP? >> MY LEADERSHIP STYLE LIKE I SAID I BELIEVE IN THE ARMY VALUE WHICH IS LOYALTY TO EVERYONE HERE IN THIS COMMISSION AND CITIZENS, DUTY AS WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE DUTY TO WHAT WE DO AS CITY ATTORNEY I KNOW WHAT THOSE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WOULD BE.

>> OKAY. >> ONE OF THOSE ISSUES ALSO THE VALUE OF MY LEADERSHIP SKILLS IS THAT PERSONAL COURAGE WHICH I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT. I WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT HONESTLY WHAT'S LEGAL AND WHAT'S RIGHT.

YOU CAN NEVER GO WRONG WHEN YOU DO THE RIGHT THING LEGAL AND ETHICAL STUFF. I I BELIEVE IN I CALL THE THREE BIG AMIGOS, I BELIEVE BIG ON SUNSHINE LAW, I BELIEVE BIG ON PUBLIC RECORDS AND I BELIEVE BIG ON ETHICS SO THOSE ARE BIG ISSUES THAT OF BELIEVE THAT EVERY SINGLE BOARD MEMBER CANNOT GO WITHOUT KNOWING THERE ARE OTHER LEADERSHIP SKILLS BUT THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH WHAT I DO IS JUST THE ARMY VALUES AND I BRING THAT AS WELL HERE TO SEBASTIAN AND HERE HOPEFULLY TO

FORT PIERCE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> MR. JAY JOHNSON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. GOOD TALKING WITH YOU.

S. >> JESSE: FOR US YOUR BIGGEST CHALLENGE IN A SCENARIO AN EXAMPLE REGARDING MAYBE HUMAN RESOURCES. I CAN BE ANY EXAMPLE YOU LIKE TO DESCRIBE. WE KNOW ALL ABOUT SEBASTIAN.

SO MAYBE IT'S IN ANOTHER ENTITY OR ANOTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHERE YOU HAD THAT CHALLENGING SITUATION AND HOW DID YOU GO

ABOUT SOLVING THAT SITUATION. >> OKAY.

I CAN TELL YOU JUST WITH H.R., SPECIFICALLY SINCE YOU MENTIONED I WON'T GO INTO DETAILS OF THE SPECIFIC FACTS BUT I CAN GENERALLY TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED.

AN ISSUE CAME UP WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

POLICE DEPARTMENT CAME TO US THE CITY WAS NOT THERE SO WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION TO ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER AT THAT TIME AND THE ISSUE BECAME THAT THERE WAS A PENDING INVESTIGATION THAT THE POLICE WERE STILL CONDUCTING AND OF COURSE THE POLICE CHIEF SHOWS UP WITH ALL HIS REPORT HERE YOU GO WHAT DO I DO ONE OF THE COMMISSIONER WANTS THIS SO THE LAW DOESN'T PERMIT SO I ASKED HIM PENDING INVESTIGATION THE LAW DID NOT PERMIT IT SO YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE CONCLUSION TWO WEEKS DOWN THE ROAD SO I WAS WALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER TO ADVISE HIM THIS IS WHAT HIS OPTIONS WERE, ONE OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS WERE SITTING THERE THE ONE THAT WANTED THE INFORMATION AND YOU HAD THAT KIND OF CONFLICT AND DUE RESPECT TO EVERYONE LIKE I SAID I DO WHAT'S LEGAL AND WHAT IS RIGHT AND RESPECTFULLY TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE CITY MANAGER THIS IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS THIS IS WHAT YOU DO IF YOU VIOLATE THAT IT'S ON YOU.

OF COURSE THE COUNCIL PERSON WAITED UNTIL IT BECAME FINAL AND ULTIMATELY THEY GOT THE STUFF BUT THINGS LIKE THAT YOU ALWAYS RUN INTO ISSUES LIKE THAT. THAT'S ONE.

ISSUES YOU TALK ABOUT WITH H.R. SPECIFICALLY.

ALSO ANOTHER COUNCIL PERSON DEALING WITH H.R. IS CONFLICTS.

WITH NEGOTIATIONS AND THINGS LS- LIKE THAT.

WE WERE PRETTY MUCH DONE WITH NEGOTIATIONS AND ISSUES COME UP WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO DEMAND CONTINUED NEGOTIATIONS WHEN PEOPLE I WON'T SAY INTERFERE BUT PEOPLE MAKE THOSE KIND OF

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SO, J JUST ISSUES LIKE THAT. IF A CONFLICTS COME UP.

IF YOU GO OUTSIDE THAT, YOU GET INTO TROUBLE.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHERE I PLAY THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> SO YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

WE KNOW A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE, AND BUT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT AND I'M NOT SURE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN YOUR OTHER CITIES, THE INSURER, I DON'T KNOW BUT WE HAVE FLORIDA MUNICIPAL INSURANCE TRUST AND WE WORK WELL WITH THEM AND USE THEM QUITE A LOT AND MOST OF THAT IS HANDLED BY OUR RISK MANAGER BUT I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH THE RISK MANAGER TO KNOW KIND OF KNOW. YOU'D HAVE TO BE KEPT UP TO SPEED KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON AND I FORGOT TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE DIFFERENT INSURANCE AND THE ACTUAL LEGAL REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF CASES IN

LITIGATION. >> I CAN TELL YOU HOW I WORK CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WITH SEBASTIAN BEING A CITY ATTORNEY.

I THINK WE DON'T HAVE THAT I THINK WE HAVE PGIT AND KNOW H NOW GOING TO FMI. WE ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS.

>> I THINK FMI IS TRYING. >> RIGHT, SO HOW I WORK SINCE THEY CARRY STUFF FOR US WHAT I DO IS WE DON'T HAVE RISK OF MANAGEMENT. WE DEAL WITH H.R. SHE'S THE ONE IN CHARGE SO I GUESS IT'S DUAL ROLE FOR HER.

SO WAY GET INVOLVED IN LEDLY IF CASES GET FILED CASE IN POINT WHERE WE HAD A CRACK SIDEWALK SITUATION.

MY PRIOR EXPERIENCE WITH CITY OF MIAMI WAS LITIGATOR FOR THREE YEARS. I LITERALLY DID EVERYTHING FROM OPENING ARGUMENTS TO CLOSING ARGUMENTS, I'M SORRY, FILING MY INITIAL COMPLAINT TO CLOSING ARGUMENT AT TRIAL SO I HAVE A LOT OF LITIGATION EXPERIENCE. THING KEEPS FLASHING FREAKING ME

OUT. >> YOUR TIME IS NOT.

>> I LET THE DIRECTOR TO LET ME KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

THEY FILE WITH US THE SUMMONS OF THE COMPLAINT GOES BEFORE US, GIVE ME A COPY AND I START WORKING WITH OUR PEOPLE.

I KNOW CRACKED SIDEWALK PROBABLY PARKS FLEET MANAGER WHOEVER BUT I DIVVYU FOR EVERYBODY TO START WORKING ON THE TROJANS.

I DO GET INVOLVED ASSIST THE INSURANCE COMPANY WITH THAT SO I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ATTORNEYS.

THEY KNOW I'LL DO THAT LEG WORK AND PRETTY MUCH ENTER THE INTERROGATORIES ANSWER THEIR COMPLAINT FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW GETTING EVERYTHING FOR THEM SO I DO GET INVOLVED IN THAT.

ALSO I'M INVOLVED SETTLEMENT DISCUSSIONS, THEY WANT MY BUY INS WHICH IS FAIR. I'M NOT GOING TO INTERFERE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED. EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUR INSURANCE.

VICE-VERSA EVEN RECENTLY I CAN TELL YOU, I THINK IT WAS PGTI, I DO NOT KNOW WHY, I THINK IT'S OUR GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM BUT I DO NOT KNOW INITIALLY WHY WHEN WE HAD AN AN NEXTATION ISSUE WE COULD HAVE GONE TO PGIT.

YEARS DOWN THE ROAD I WAS SHOCKED TALKING TO CITY MANAGER SAYING LET'S TAKE A SHOT SUBMIT THIS BILL SEE WHAT THEY PLAY.

I THINK BECAUSE OF OUR GOOD RELATIONSHIP EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T NOTIFY OF THEM THEY PICKED UP THAT TAB $56,000 SO THAT'S THE KIND OF RELATIONSHIP I HAVE WITH PGIT.

HOPEFULLY I HAVE THE PREP WITH THE NEXT INSURANCE CARRIER.

SAME THING WITH OUTSIDE COUNSEL. WE DON'T HAVE OUTSIDE COUNSEL, WE ARE A SMALL CITY SO WE HAVEN'T TODAY USE OUTSIDE COUNSEL UNDER MY TENURE TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH I WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE THROUGH OUR CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE TO MONITOR THESE THINGS BECAUSE I HAVE TO COME TO YOU.

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>> WE EXPECT YOU TO BE INFORMED. >> THAT'S WHY I DO GET INVOLVED WITH THEM AND I EXPECT TO DO THE SAME THING HERE AND ONCE I

HOPEFULLY GET THE APPROVAL. >> RIGHT.

>> HOPE I ANSWERED THE QUESTION. >> YOU DID.

>> ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANY FOLLOWUP? MR. JOHNSON.

>> THANK YOU AGAIN. ONE OF THE THINGS TOO THAT YOU KNOW FROM THIS POSITION HERE LOOKING OUT IS TRYING TO SEE WHAT CANDIDATES ARE AS FAR AS ASSESSMENT OF CHALLENGES AN THINGS TO COME. YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT CITY ATTORNEY ROLE IN SEBASTIAN FOR SOME TIME NOW AND ONE OF THE THINGS TOO IS THAT OVER TIME, YOU KIND OF HAVE SOME EXPERIENCES AND THINGS THAT YOU KIND OF SEE AND KIND OF FORECAST SO KIND OF A TWO-PART QUESTION. I'D KIND OF LIKE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK AS TO ALL THOSE PLACES A LITTLE LARGER THAN SEBASTIAN, WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE COUNCIL ON AS CITY COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF OR HEARD THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF AND THEN I'D KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD BE IF YOU GOT THE JOB 30 DAYS FROM NOW. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK FOR YOU AS

FAR AS THIS OPPORTUNITY? >> THERE'S NOT MUCH ISSUES I PROBABLY WOULD IMMEDIATELY ADVISE YOU.

I KNOW SOME OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE HAD HERE OBVIOUSLY.

TIVE NOW ORDINANCE WITH THE HOME BASED BUSINESS WHICH SOMEBODY RECENTLY PASSED SO I WOULD I GUESS I WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT BEFORE I COULD ACTUALLY ADVISE YOU GUYS MANY I CAN TEL YOU THAT ONE OF THE SEMINARS I ATTEND ACTUALLY IS FMAA FLORIDA MUNICIPAL ATTORNEYS ASSOCIATION. ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE ATTENDING THAT THEY HAVE IN GIGANTIC CHEAT SHEET FOR MY TOOLBOX WHICH IS ALL THE CURRENT CHANGES IN THE LAW AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS IN THERE AND YOU FOLLOW THROUGH THAT AND I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT WITH THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SO RIGHT NOW OTHER THAN BLARING, I THINK IT WAS YOU COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ME A QUESTION ONE MAIN THING THAT STUCK? MY MIND AND ONE THING I WOULD HAVE DONE IS ADVISE YOU TOES CHANGES OF THE LAW THAT IMPACT US. I KNOW YOU HAVE FUTURE ANNEXATION ISSUES. BASE ORDINANCE I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IF I COME ON BOARD THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE.

OTHER ISSUES PENDING WOULD BE A LABOR EMPLOYMENT NEGOTIATIONS WHO ARE WHO I SHARE THAT WITH BUT MY BACKGROUND WITH LAKE OR EMPLOYMENT I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEING FARMED OUT.

ALL THAT COMES N. THAT'S ONE THING I WAS ABLE TO DO AT PORT ST. LUCIE WAS BRING THAT IN HOUSE AN NOT HAVE TO FARM IT OUT AT SUBSTANTIAL SAVINGS. THERE MAY BE CODE REVIEWS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT I DON'T KNOW RIGHT OFF THE BAT WHAT I WOULD BE ADVISING YOU BECAUSE I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE BOOTS ON THE GROUND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE OUR ISSUES HERE BUT I THINK THAT ALSO FALLS INTO YOUR SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION WHAT DO YOU DO WITH YOUR 60 DAYS. I HAVE TO SAY FIRST THING TOIF DO IF APPOINTED IS IMMEDIATELY INCORPORATE THE CURRENT STACK THAT WE HAVE. I WORK WITH TANYA.

I MET WITH HER PERSONALLY WITH HER EVEN BEFORE I WHEN I BECOME A FINALIST I CONGRATULATED HER AND I OFFICE MY CITY ATTORNEY OFFICE AS ASSISTANT I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HER SO I VIEW THOSE FORCE 30-60 DAYS HAS TO BE WORKING COLLABORATING WITH STAFF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WHAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE.

WE'VE BEEN FROM FOUR ATTORNEYS DOWN TO 3.

THAT COULD BE A PERFECT FIFTH DO I NOT KNOW.

OBVIOUSLY SHE'S BEEN PAST MONTH AND A HALF DOING IT WITH ONE ATTORNEY SO THOSE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE.

I SEE MYSELF HAVE TO. THEY HAVE THE OPERATIONAL KNOWLEDGE, THEY HAVE THE INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE I NEED TO BETTER SERVE IN THAT SITUATION AN BETTER ASSESS.

I'M A TEAM PLAYER OBVIOUSLY IN THE MILITARY SO IN THAT 30 DAYS I WOULD INCORPORATE MEETING WITH THEM AND EVERY ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SEE WHAT YOUR RISHGS OR MEET AND GREET AS WELL AS CHARTERED OFFICERS. ONE GREAT RELATIONSHIP I HAVE WITH SEBASTIAN IS THE GREAT RELATIONSHIP I HAVE WITH THE TWO CHARTER OFFICERS. I CAN TELL YOU HONESTLY WITHOUT A DOUBT ONE OF MY REFERENCES I GUESS MR. GREEN CAN TELL YOU OTHERWISE BUT I CAN TELL YOU HONESTLY EVERY DAY LITERALLY

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60 DAYS OUT, SIX MONTHS OUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR LONG-TERM WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GO WITH THE OFFICE ISSUES THAT I FEEL PENDING MAY BE EVEN DISCUSS REVIEW THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE AT.

SEEING IF WE HAVE TO DO CHANGES TO SOME OF THE CODES.

I KNOW THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE AND OR AMENDING OUR CODES, ANNOTATION MIGHT BE AN ISSUE SO WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS THE NEXT SIX MONTHS BUT WHO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ESTABLISH AND I THINK I TRACKING SYSTEM. F YOU IS A - I INSTITUTED THAT IN PORT ST. LUCIE AND GOT THAT IN THE MILITARY.

THE TRACKING SYSTEM I BELIEVE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT ALLOWS YOU TO TRACK YOUR CASES WHEN THEY COME TO YOUR OFFICE AND ALLOWS THAT WHETHER OR NOT WHAT'S THE CORRECT ISSUE.

IN OTHER WORDS THEY SEND YOU THE ISSUE.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. THEY ATTACH THE DOCUMENTS THEY NEED TO REVIEW. WE DO THE WORK AND IT GETS OUT.

THAT'S ANOTHER THING I HOPE TO ESTABLISH FIRST SIX MONTHS IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE GETTING A TRACKING SYSTEM SO WE CAN TRACK THE INPUT COMING IN AND GOING OUT.

I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. >> YES YOU DID.

>> ANYBODY ELSE, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS DIFFICULT FOR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND IS THE CITY ATTORNEY WORKS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION AND THEY THINK YOU WORK FOR THE CITY AND THEY WANT TO CALL YOU AND ASK YOU LEGAL ADVICE OR WHAT HAPPENED AND WHATEVER. HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT?

>> I HAVE THAT CONSTANTLY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW EVEN IN SEBASTIAN. SOMETIMES I GET CC'ED AND THEY SEND TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. YOU DON'T WANT TO REPLY TO ALL VIOLATE SUNSHINE ISSUES. RECENTLY I HAD AN ISSUE WHERE THEY DID EXACTLY THAT AND I RESPONDED TO THE PERSON LETTING HIM KNOW HEY X PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT POTENTIALLY YOUR EMAIL YOU SENT OUT IT'S NOT THAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO RESPOND TO YOU, IT'S THAT THEY CANNOT REPLY TO ALL AND I SUGGESTED TO THIS GENTLEMAN MAYBE A BETTER FIT WOULD BE GOING TO THE NEXT AGENDA COMING UP DURING THE PUBLIC SECTION AND SAY HEY THIS IS AN ISSUE I HAVE AND HOPEFULLY ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL PICK UP ON THAT AND SAY OKAY, CITY MANAGER CAN YOU PLEASE PUT IT DOWN NEXT AGENDA ALSO WITH MASKS, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH MASKS BACK IN THE DAYS.

>> YOU'RE NOT ALONE. >> BUT THE BOTTOM LINE I GUESS TO HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD CITY ATTORNEY DOES NOT REPRESENT THE PUBLIC. WE DO NOT GIVE ANY KIND OF LEGAL ADVICE TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN GUIDE THEM TO, IF THEY NEED SOCIAL WORK YOU CAN ALWAYS REFER THEM TO OR ATTORNEY REFERENCES THEY CAN GO TO, BUT WE CANNOT, I AND CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENT THE BOARD, THE BOARD REPRESENTS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU. IT TAKES THREE TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN BUT THAT'S EVERYTHING FALLS ON YOU SO I COME TO YOU WITH THOSE KINDS OF THINGS BUT NO WE DO NOT REPRESENT THE COUNCIL I MEAN THE COMMUNITY, AND I THINK TWHISHGS THEY COME IN THAT'S HOW YOU ANSWER THEY RESPECTFULLY AND HOPEFULLY YOU MOVE ON AND IF THEY CONTINUE TO EMAIL YOU, REFER TO MY LAST EMA EMAIL.

TY DON'T CONTINUE TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC.

>> I KNOW IT SOMETIMES GETS TOUCHY BECAUSE THEY COME TO US AND SAY WHY WON'T HE RESPOND OR WHY CAN'T I JUST TALK AND EXPLAINING TO THEM, SO WE WILL H WE ALL HAVE TO BE DIP MAT I CAN

BUT FIRM. >> THE COMMENT I ALWAYS HEAR I'M A TAXPAYER, I PAY FOR YOUR SALARY AND I RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND THAT BUT YOU APPOINT ME, I WORK FOR YOU, YOU WORK FOR THEM. SO THEY COME TO YOU, YOU GUYS COME TO ME. THAT'S HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.

>> GOOD EXPLANATION. ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE ANY

CLOSING STATEMENT? >> OTHER THAN IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE AND HONOR MEETING EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU.

FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO T THE OP YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN NOTHING BUT GREAT. I ENJOY OR ONE ON ONE TOGETHER.

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I LOOK FORWARD. I THINK I AM THE ONLY CITY CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW BEFORE YOU GUYS SO I BRINK IN THAT EXPERIENCE. OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS KNOW MY RECORD, YOU SEE MY RECORD. I BELIEVE AGAIN FROM THE MILITARY I CAN HIT THE GROUND RUNNING, BOOTS ON THE GROUND, HIT THE GROUND RUNNING IMMEDIATELY WORK THINGS OUT WITH CITY OF SEBASTIAN BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD WITH YOU GUYS AND PRETTY MUCH COME BACK TO ST. LUCIE

COUNTY. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

>> THANK YOU. BE BLESSED EVERYBODY.

[b. Aleksandr Boksner]

>> SO OUR NEXT CANDIDATE IS ALEX BOXNER.

MANNY IS GOING TO BRING HIM IN. >> LET ME JUST GIVE YOU MY LUNCH MONEY RIGHT NOW. COME ON DOWN.

MR. BOXNER. WE ARE GOING TO BE ASKING YOU QUESTIONS. I'LL GIVE YOU TIME AT THE END TO

CLOSE OUT. >> PERFECT.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> FIRST OF ALL IT WAS A

PLEASURE. >> LIKE WISE.

>> I ENJOYED OUR CONVERSATION. I'M SURE WE HAD A GOOD TIME WITH THAT. SO WE'VE GOT ALL YOUR INFOR INFORMATION.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU WHAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS ARE YOU MOST PROUD OF BOTH IN YOUR PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE?

>> WELL, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

I GUESS IN MY PERSONAL LIFE, YOU KNOW, I ULTIMATELY WAS NOT BORN IN THIS COUNTRY. I CAME HERE WHEN I WAS 5 YEARS OLD. MY PARENTS ULTIMATELY INSTILLED UPON ME WORK HARD AND GET WHATEVER I WANT TO ACHIEVE BY DOING THAT, AND I'VE STRUGGLED COMING FROM A DIFFERENT COUNTRY.

I'VE BEEN GLAD TO SAY I'M A SUCCESSFUL ATTORNEY.

I WORK FOR CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. I WORK FOR OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES AND I'VE ULTIMATELY BY INSTILL THAT WORK HARD AND ULTIMATELY THAT CONCEPT HAS REVERB RATED AND I COME BEFORE YOU WITH THAT KNOWLEDGE AND THAT SKILL SET THAT ALLOWED ME TO EXCEL AT ALL THE OTHER PLACES I WORKED FOR.

SO THAT'S ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. ON A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL, I THINK THAT ULTIMATELY BEING ABLE TO BE AT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH I'VE HAD THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE OF INTERACTING WITH AND DEALING WITH A SLEW OF DIFFERENT AN COMPLEX ISSUES AND PROBABLY THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT RISES TO THE OCCASION IS I'VE BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH LEGISLATION THROUGH THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH REGARDING SHORT TERM RENTAL.

THAT OF COURSE GOT THE ATTENTION OF OUR FRIENDS IN TALLAHASSEE ALONG WITH AIRBNB AND WHY LEGALLY I DRAFTED THE LEGISLATION THAT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH USES TO PREVENT THE ILLEGAL SHORT TERM RENTALS AIRBNB DID IN FACT SUE US IN FEDERAL COURT AND TRY TO GET TO US INVALIDATE THE ORDNANCE.

WE WERE SUCCESSFUL AND AIRBNB CUT US A CHECK FOR SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

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SATISFACTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. JOHNSON. >> MR. BOXNER WE HAD AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION. I GOT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOU YOUR CURRENT MANAGEMENT STYLE AND TEAM FOR THE MOST PART.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SHARE A PILL BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY MANAGING AS WELL AS YOUR MANAGEMENT STYLE PHILOSOPHY

WHEN IT COMES TO LEADERSHIP. >> SO, MANAGEMENT WISE IN TERMS

OF ALL THE ISSUES. >> YOUR STYLE OF MANAGEMENT AND

LEADERSHIP. >> SORRY?

>> YOUR STYLE OF MANAGEMENT OR LEADERSHIP.

>> SO ULTIMATELY I AM NOT A MICROMANAGER.

I DO NOT SIT OVER ANYONE'S SHOULDERS.

I EXPECT THE PEOPLE THAT ULTIMATELY WILL REPORT TO ME OR ULTIMATELY ARE GOING TO ASK ME QUESTIONS, THEY WILL DO WHAT NEED TO BE DONE AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT ULTIMATELY NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. NOW WITH THAT I DON'T LEAD THEM OUT ONTO THEIR OWN. IT'S A CLOOENLT EXPERIENCE AND EVEN THOUGH I'M IN THE SUPERVISOR ROLE I INTERACT WITH PEOPLE IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON A DAILY BASIS.

WE TALK ABOUT LANGUAGE OF POTENTIAL ORDINANCES, HOW WE ARE GOING TO DRAF IT, WHAT THE HELD INTERPRETATION THE POLICE ARE ASKING TO US DO WHAT THE ARE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT SO DO I NOT OPERATE IN A VACUUM. WE DO NOT OPERATE IN A VACUUM AND WHEN WE HAVE THAT COLLEGE YAL RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CONVEY THAT WHETHER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IT ALLOWS US AT THAT POINT IN TIME AS A MANAGER TO COME TO A RESOLUTION WHERE IT'S JUST NOT ONE DECISION BUT IT'S A DEAF SIGS AS A WHOLE AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT BECAUSE IT STEMS AND ALLOWS A BIT OF CREATIVITY, ALLOWS FOR A LITTLE BIT OF INDEPENDENCE AND IN THAT WAY THERE'S NO CENTRAL HIERARCHY.

IT'S AN APPROACH THAT FACILITATES BETTER GOVERNMENT.

>> CURRENTLY YOU'RE MANAGEING A TEAM?

>> WELL, THERE'S A CORE GROUP I GUESS THAT WILL GO TO ME AND THAT IS THE CITY PROSECUTOR, THE POLICE LEGAL ADVISER AND SOME OTHER ATTORNEYS. ULTIMATELY I OVERSEE EVERYONE OTHER THAN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF IT WHICH IS ONE TO TWO ATTORNEYS AND THEN OF COURSE TH CONTRACT.

I'VE DONE ALL THAT BUT MY PRIMARY FOCUS HAS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW IS TO REALLY DEAL WITH QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AND CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENT WITHIN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH THAT SEEMS TO BE THE MOST PREVALENT MAT THERE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE DEALING WITH. SO IT'S DEALING WITH THAT ENACTING LEGISLATION AND TRYING TO CURB KIND OF THE LAWLESSNESS FOR LACK OF ANOTHER WORD THAT BEEN ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE HEARING FROM OUR RESIDENTS. THANTS PRIELLY WHAT I DO AND

WHAT I FOCUS. >> THANK.

>> MR. JAY JOHNSON. >> BUILD ON COMMISSIONER C.

JOHNSON'S QUESTION THERE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TEAM AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT YOU'RE IN RIGHT NOW.

WHEN YOU MANAGE THAT I THINK YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE DUTIES OF THE DEPARTMENT.

CAN YOU TELL -- YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT BUDGETING.

WHAT EXPANSIVE DUTIES DO YOU HAVE? I WILL HANDLE ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE VECTORS THE CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE IN TERMS OF FUNCTIONING DAY IN DAY OUT.

THAT IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE PORTION OF AND THERE'S THE LEGAL PORTION OF IT SO I SEPARATE THOSE TWO OUT SO IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET I'VE OVERSEEN THE BUDGET FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. >> THE ENTIRE BUDGETS $6.3 MILLION GIVE OR TAKE. AS PART OF THAT TO FIND WHAT PORTIONS OF THE LINE ITEM OF THAT AND HOW IT'S ALLOCATED AND HOW IT'S SPENT SO I AM THE ONE ULTIMATELY THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED IN IDENTIFYING WHICH SPECIFIC LINE ITEM OF OUR BUDGET HOW IT'S EXPENDED AND TO WHAT EXTENT IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL AND VARIOUS ASPECT OF THE DAY IN DAY OUT FUNCTIONING OF THE CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE AT THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION IN TERMS OF HIRING AND FIRING.

I'VE ALSO BEEN DOING THAT AND I HAVE DONE THAT.

THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT WHEN I TALK ABOUT A

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ARE OTHERS OF COURSE AS WELL BUT THEY'RE DIFFERENT FROM THE DAY IN DAY OUT GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU IF YOU WOULD JUST GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OR DESCRIBE FOR THE COMMISSION SOME EXAMPLES.

IN ALL CITY GOVERNMENTS REALLY, H.R. ITEMS ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND CAN BE VERY COSTLY OR RISK MANAGEMENT ISSUES SO IF YOU WOULD GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST CHALLENGES AN HOW DID YOU SOLVE THE PROBLEM THAT WAS PRESENTED WHETHER IT'S H.R. OR RISK MANAGEMENT TYPE ISSUE.

>> WELL I WOULD SAY PROBABLY THAT WHILE IT'S A COMPONENT OF RISK IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE RISK EVEN THOUGH IT HAS THE ABILITY TO IMPACT IT. YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH IS SELF INSURED SO WE OPERATE DIFFERENTLY THAN THE WHAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS IN THE SENSE WE WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISIONS WHICH WAY WE ARE GOING TO GO.

A LOT OF THAT TIME A LOT OF ITS BASED UPON WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE BETTER RESULT SO TO PROVIDE A BIT OF SPECIFICITY I BELIEVE I MENTIONED THAT THE POLICE CHIEF HAD SOUGHT TO INSURE THAT ANY ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENT THAT IS SERVING ALCOHOL OPEN TO 5 P.M. IS REQUIRED TO GET AN OFF DUTY POLICE OFFICER FOR THEIR BUSINESS OPERATIONS FROM MIDNIGHT UNTIL 30 MINUTES AFTER THEY CLOSE. ULTIMATELY THERE'S A RISK OF COMPONENT IN TTHE SENSE IF IT'S AN ORDINANCE MANDATED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION IT BECOMES A LEGALIZE BUILT ON THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH. WHAT I MEAN IS THAT BECOMES A SECURITY FUNCTION OF OUR GOVERNMENTAL OPERATIONS SO WHEN IT BECOMES A SECURITY FUNCTION AND IF IT'S NOT ABLE TO BE MET BY CURRENT STAFFING NEEDS AND WE HAVE ABOUT 150 OR SO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE ESTABLISHMENTS OPEN TO 5 P.M. WE DO NOT HAVE THE SAME LEVEL OF POLICE ON DUET THAT I CAN STAFF THAT WHICH MEANS IF THEY'RE ON STAFF AND THEY HAVE REQUESTED IT SHOULD AN UNFORTUNATE EVENT OCCUR IT WOULD THEN BE NO LONGER, IT WOULD NO LONGER BE DISCRETIONY BUT IT WOULD BE OPERATIONAL AND WE WOULD BE LIABLE IF TRAGEDY UNFOLDS THAT CAN BE A NUMBER OF THINGS, A SHOOTING, ANOTHER TYPE OF FELONIOUS ACTIVITY SO IN THAT REGARD IS SOMETHING THAT I DEALT WITH EVER SO RECENTLY BEEN THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF MAYBE TWO AND WHERE IT WAS EXPRESSED I EXPRESSED TO THE CITY MANAGER THAT IF WE DO THIS WE GOT TO POTENTIALLY TAKING ON A BIT OF PROBLEM.

SINCE THERE'S NO STAFFING AVAILABLE IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY ENACTING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD BE

DETRIMENTAL TO THE CITY. >> INTERESTING.

WE TALKED ON THE INSURANCE QUESTION AND I THINK I SHARED WE ARE FMIT AND WE HAVE RISK OF MANAGER BUT I WOULD THINK AS CITY ATTORNEY YOU WOULD WANT TO BE KEPT UP TO DATE SO YOU CAN KEEP US UP TO DATE. HAVE YOU DONE LITIGATION

YOURSELF FOR YOUR CITY? >> I HAVE DONE LITIGATION AND I DO CURRENTLY DO LITIGATION. I ACTUALLY DO SOME OF THE NEGLIGENCE LAWSUITS MYSELF PRESENTLY.

I'VE DONE ANYTHING FROM THE TAKING OF PROPERTY TO WHEN I WORKED AT CHARLOTTE COUNTY I DID IN TERMS OF REZONING ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH LAND USE LIT GAIGS, NON-LAND USE LITIGATION CHALLENGES TO OUR ORDINANCE, I'VE DONE A SLEW OF LITIGATION THROUGHOUT MY CAREER CITY OF MIAMI BEACH MARION AND CHARLOTTE COUNTY AND STATE ATTORNEY OFFICE WHICH IS CRIMINAL.

TO SPECIFICALLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE NOT SELF INSURED THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS TO KNOW THE EXISTING STATUS OF LITIGATION AGAINST THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH.

TO NOT KNOW THAT IS PROBLEMATIC TO SAY THE LEAST AND I THINK PART OF THAT IS IT'S IMPORTANT TO ITS WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE LITIGATION AND IF THERE'S OTHER ISSUES THAT MAYBE MORE MORE FUNDAMENTAL WITH THE CITY AND WHAT IS GOING WRONG IF THERE'S SOMETHING HAPPENING SO I WOULD EXPECT THAT I WOULD BE WELL VERSED IN KNOWING ALL THE EXISTING LITIGATION THE CURRENT STATUS OF IT, THE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEFENSE OF IT AND TO WHAT EXTENT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY

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>> ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? >> I'LL COME BACK WITH A FOLLOWUP ON THAT. GOING DOWN THE PATH YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THIS OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU'RE SEEKING, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS YOUR ASSESSMENT OF WHERE WE ARE AND MAYBE THINGS THAT YOU'VE ENCOUNTERED THAT A CITY LIKE THIS THAT'S GROWING THAT YOU WOULD ADVISE US OF AND IMPORTANT MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT DOES 30-06 DAYS LOOK LIKE TO YOU IF YOU GET THIS OPPORTUNITY?

>> I'M GOING TO GO BACKWARDS N. 30-60 DAYS I KNOW FROM THE OUTSET I WOULD WANT TO MEET YOU WITH ON A WEEKLY OR BI-WEEKLY BASIS ASSUMING YOU WOULD BE INCLINED TO DO SO.

PART OF IT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU INDIVIDUALLY MAYBE AS ELECTED OFFICIALS YOU HAVE YOUR OWN ULTIMATELY OWN GOALS AND CONCEPTS AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO PROVIDE THE LEGAL ASSISTANCE TO FACILITATE THAT PROCESS.

I WOULD NEED TO EVALUATE THE CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE IN THE SINKS OF I KNOW THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW TANYA AND I WERE CHATTING EARLIER BUT DO I NOT KNOW THE OTHER LEGAL DEMANDS THAT ULTIMATELY ARE UPON THE CITY AND I THINK IT'S ESSENTIAL TO ASCERTAIN THAT INFORMATION.

I KNOW THAT ONE OR TWO ATTORNEYS CAN'T HANDLE IT ALL AND I KNOW AND SUSPECT ALL OF ITS BEING DONE BY A FIRM THAT'S BEING FARMED OUT. THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SOMETIMES THE COST IS WORTH IT SOMETIMES THE COST IS NOT AND I WOULD OF THELY WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING EXPENDED IN THAT TYPE OF EXPENSE.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT POTENTIAL THREATS MAY EXIST AGAINST THE CITY WHETHER ACTUAL PENDING OR WHAT MAY HAPPEN BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO GET ACCLIMATED AGAINST WHAT COULD BE LEGAL ISSUES AND I'M TALKING ABOUT LAWSUITS.

SO THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT I WOULD SEE IN THE NEXT 30-60 DAYS. IN TERMS OF WHAT I SEE FORT PIERCE YOU'RE GROWING AND YOU'RE A COACH COMMUNITY AND THAT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE FOR A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

IT ALLOWS VISITORS TO COME IN. WITH VISITORS THERE'S A CHANGE IN QUALITY OF LIFE AND I'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING THAT IN THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH FOR 12-PLUS YEARS. WHEN I FIRST STARTED IT WAS NOISE. AND THE NOISE GOT AWAY TO SHORT TERM RENTAL. SHORT TERM RENTAL GOT AWAY TO SCOOTERS AND THEN OF COURSE WITH THE EMERGENCE OF TECHNOLOGY IT'S ELECTRIC BIKES AND THE SPEED ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE BEING RENTED AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE USING THE CITY GOVERNMENTAL SPACE FOR THAT SHORT TERM RENTAL HAS BEEN AN ISSUE IN MIAMI BEACH I "CBS2 NEWS" IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE HERE.

THE MORE DEVELOPMENT COMES IN HERE THE MORE RESIDENTIAL YOU GOT TO REGULATE WHEN YOU CAN CONSIDERING THERE'S A LOSS BUT YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE GRANDFATHERING POSITION.

THE MORE PEOPLE COME HERE YOU MAY FIND YOU'RE DEALING WITH QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES YOU DIDN'T ANTICIPATE SO MAY BE GOOD TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE WHERE WE DO PERMIT DAILY WEEKLY MONTHLY RENTALS AND THEN SCOOTERS AND SLINGSHOTS AND ALL THAT OTHER FUN STUFF IT HAS AN IMPACT. I KNOW THAT WE GET COMPLAINTS ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS ON THE OPERATION OF THESE VEHICLES AND THE COMMISSION IS RESPONSIVE TO THAT SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'D WANT TO CONSIDER BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT PROBABLY THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF YOUR RESIDENTS WILL BE IMPACTED AND YOU'LL PROBABLY BE HEARING ABOUT THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IS WHAT MY GUESS. THAT'S JUST KIND OF A QUICK

TOUCH UPON IT. >> THANK YOU.

>> MR. PERONA. >> SO WE ALL KNOW THAT THE LAW CHANGES PROBABLY FASTER AS YOU LEARN IT IT STANDS TO CHANGE AGAIN. HOW DO YOU KEEP YOUR COMMISSIONERS UPDATED ON THE NEWEST AND THE LATEST WHEN IT

COMES TO THE LAW? >> SO, I AM ABLE TO THROUGH THE ABILITY OF THE INTERNET, I USUALLY GET ALL THE BILLS THAT ULTIMATELY GET FILED IN TALLAHASSEE EVERY LEGISLATIVE SESSION IDENTIFYING WHICH LEGISLATION IS BEING PROPOSED BY

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I KNOW HOME RULE IS AN ISSUE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE TOOLS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO ME.

I DO GO TO CONFERENCES. I DO GET EMAILED ALMOST LIKE A DAILY UPDATE ON CURRENT CHANGES CURRENT LEGAL OPINIONS.

I REVIEWED FLORIDA LAW WEEKLY SO I TRY TO STAY AS ABREAST AS I CAN BECAUSE THERE'S A LSU OF INFORMATION OUT THERE AND THAT'S THE MAIN ASPECT, YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF LAWS BEING AMENDED, EVERYTHING THE ABILITY TO GET EMAIL WHEN THERE'S ANY LEGISLATIVE PROPOSAL IS KEY AND THEN THAT WAY THERE COULD BE A DE -- CONSENSUS. I HAVE GONE TO TALLAHASSEE AND LOBBIED FOR SPECIFIC RELIEF THAT WAS MORE PERTAINING TO MIAMI BEACH AND THEN OF COURSE GETTING THE MOST RECENT DECISIONS, THOSE ARE EMAILED TO ME ALSO ON A DAILY BASIS AND I WILL READ THEM AND IF THERE'S APPLICABILITY TO CITY OF MIAMI BEACH I WILL DELVE INTO THAT AND DETERMINE WHETHER THAT'S SOME NEEDS TO BE APPLIED BY THE CITY MANAGER. OFTENTIMES THE CITY MANAGER WILL HAVE TO SHIFT THEIR COURSE DEPENDING ON CIRCUMSTANCES BUT THAT'S ALL THE DIFFERENT AVENUES.

THERE ARE OTHERS BUT THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY ONES THAT ALLOW ME TO SAY UP TO DATE WITH THE CURRENT LAW IN THE STATE OF

FLORIDA AND NATIONALLY. >> MR. JAY JOHNSON.

>> I WAS READING THROUGH THE QUESTIONNAIRE.

YOU DIDN'T LIST ANY SALARY REQUIREMENTS SPECIFICALLY.

>> I DID NOT. >> ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE CURRENT BUDGET OF THE CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE AND WHAT THE PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY WAS MAKING AS SALARY?

>> I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE PREVIOUS CITY ATTORNEY WAS MAKING BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE BUDGET BECAUSE THAT WAS IN THE MATERIALS BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ULTIMATELY WHERE ANYTHIG STOOD. I FIGURED THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN ULTIMATELY COME TO RESOLUTION IF IN FACT YOU DECIDE THAT I'M THE BEST FIT FOR THE CITY.

>> OKAY. >> DID YOU LIST ANYWHERE WHAT

YOUR CURRENT SALARY IS. >> I DID.

IT'S $262,000 PLUS EXECUTIVE BENEFITS.

>> OKAY. AND THAT'S PART OF OUR

DISCUSSION. >> OF COURSE.

>> WE GOT TO DISCUSS THOSE THINGS.

>> I FULLLY UNDERSTAND THAT. >> WHAT DO YOU DO CURRENTLY IN CITY OF MIAMI BEACH TO INTERACT WITH YOUR PROFESSIONAL PEERS? YOU WOULD BE IF YOU WERE SELECTED TODAY FOR THE POSITION AND WERE YOU COMING TO FORT PIERCE, HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT INTERACTING WITH THOSE AGENCIES THAT ARE SISTER AGENCIES AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH YOUR PROFESSIONAL PEERS?

>> I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE REFERRING TO --

>> COUNTY GOVERNMENT CITY OF PORT SANTA LUCIE, VERO BEACH,

OTHER COUNTIES. >> IN TERMS OF JUST FOCUSING ON MIAMI-DADE COUNTY OFTENTIMES I WILL REACH OUT TO A LOCAL CITY ATTORNEY, VERY RARELY SOMETIMES THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BECAUSE THERE ARE STAFF OF I THINK 200 PLUS.

SOMETIMES THERE IS AN OVERLAP AND I GIVE YOU THE PRIME EXAMPLE DURING COVID THE CITY OF MIAMI AND MIAMI-DADE COUNTY WERE THE ONES PUSHING THE CURFEW SO WE GOT FEUD IN FEDERAL COURT SO THERE WOULD BE A RELATIONSHIP WE ESTABLISHED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME LEGAL FOOTING. SOMETIMES THERE'S DISAGREEMENT THAT HAPPENS BUT PREDOMINANTLY BASED UPON THE NATURE OF THE WORK AND THE VOLUME OF THE WORK INTENSITY OF THE WORK THERE'S COMMUNICATION WHEN THERE'S AN ISSUE THAT WE ARE SIMILARLY SITUATED IN AND THAT MAY BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND I WOULD REACH OUT TO THEM BUT PREDOMINANTLY BARRING US BEING IN MAYBE THE SAME SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE NEED EACH OTHER'S ASSISTANCE WE DON'T KNOW NORMALLY REACH OUT.

NOW IN TERMS OF HERE CERTAINLY I'D BE WORKING TO WHATEVER EXTENT IS NECESSARY WITH THE, MY COLLEAGUES AND THE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES. IF THAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF AND FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IN TERMS BEHALF MAY NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. IT COULD BE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS INTERPLAY BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND MUNICIPALITY IN TERMS OF A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT EXISTS WHEN I WAS IN CHARLOTTE COUNTY AND DEALING WITH THE MUNICIPALITY ALONG WITH MARION AND CERTAINLY MIAMI-DADE COUNTY. THAT'S EVEN A BIGGER ANIMAL AND I COULD SPEND THE DAY TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THERE IS THAT CONNECTION BUT OFTENTIMES THAT THE LEGAL ISSUES ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE POLITICAL ISSUES.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT

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>> YES, IT DOES HAPPEN, AND IT'S A VERY, VERY FINE LINE THAT HAS TO BE WALKED. FIRST AND FOREMOST YOU'RE NOT THEIR LEGAL COUNSEL. YOU'RE REALLY COUNSEL FOR THE MAYOR AN CITY COMMISSION IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY MANAGER SO OFTENTIMES MY APPROACH WHEN I'M DEALING WITH IT IS DEALING AS IF I AM ANSWERING A QUESTION TO MY ELECTED OFFICIAL. AND INCLUDED MY ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT MAY ULTIMATELY BE INVOLVED IN THE MATTER THAT THE WAY MAKES IT EASIER BECAUSE I'M ANSWERING THE QUESTION ON BEHALF OF MY ELECTED OFFICIAL AN THAT CAN BE CONVEYED TO THE INDIVIDUAL BUT I'VE OFTEN MADE IT CLEAR I CAN'T PROVIDE YOU LEGAL COUNSEL BECAUSE THAT IS NOT MY ROLE BUT WHAT I CAN TELL YOU IS THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OF MIAMI BEACH OR FORT PIERCE, THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN TERMS OF THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE AND LEAVE IT AT THAT. THAT WAY I'LL BE AT LEAST NOT GIVING LEGAL ADVICE BUT ACTUALLY REPRESENTING THE GOVERNMENT.

>> RIGHT, AND BEING DIPLOMATIC. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY THESE

ARE THE RESIDENTS. >> WE WILL HEAR ABOUT IT.

RIGHT. >> YOU'LL CERTAINLY HEAR BIT.

LIKE I SAID IT'S NOT ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT I PROTECT THE GOVERNMENT. THAT'S MY NUMBER ONE ROLE AND CERTAINLY IT'S NOT TO ALIENATE THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO UPSET ANY OF YOU.

>> NAME OTHER QUESTIONS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING

ELSE? >> FIRST AN FOREMOST THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU. I HAD A MEETING WITH ALL FOUR OF YOU. I KNOW SOME THINGS MAY HAVE CAUGHT YOU OFF GUARD ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE ORDINANCES I'VE BEEN TASK E TO DO IN MIAMI BUT I REPRESENT A BODY OF 7 AND THEY ALL HAVE CERTAIN IDEAS WHERE THEY WANT THINGS TO GO USUALLY FOR THE RESIDENTS BUT I HAVE BEEN WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT 20-PLUS YEARS THE MAJORITY OF IT WITH EITHER COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY AND I'VE SAID THIS TO YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY I'M GOING TO SAY IT TO YOU NOW, THERE'S NOT ONE LEGAL MATTER THAT I HAVE NOT DEALT WITH IN THAT TIME.

IT'S BOTH BEEN CRIMINAL, IT'S BEEN CIVIL AND I'VE BEEN ABLE TO EXCEL AND GET TO THE POINT WHERE I AM NOW SO THAT WHEN AND IF YOU DO CHOOSE ME AND YOU ASK ME A LEGAL QUESTION YOU WILL BE INSURED THAT WILL BE THE LEGAL GUIDANCE YOU CAN RELY UPON AND OF COURSE I BELIEVE THAT IS AN INVALUABLE TRAIT AN INVALUABLE CHARACTERISTIC. I DO NOT BELIEVE I HAVE A ROLE AS BEING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL ON AS LEGAL COUNSEL TO PROVIDE THE BEST LEGAL ADVICE AND I BELIEVE OVER MY LAST 20 YEARS CAN I DO THAT WITHOUT ANY RESERVATION AT ALL IF ASKED ANYTHING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU MAY OR NOT WANT TO DO INCLUDING COME UP WITH UNIQUE ORDINANCES TO DEAL WITH CERTAIN ISSUES.

IT'S MY TO GO IN TRADE. >> WE THANK YOU FOR SPENDING TIME WITH US. WE'VE ENJOYED IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I APPRECIATE IT.

>> MADAM MAYOR. CAN WE HAVE A SHORT BIOBREAK FOR

THE NEXT CANDIDATE? >> DO WE NEED TO RECESS? THANK YOU.

[c. Tanya M. Earley]

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>> I'M GOING TO KEEP ASKING THE SAME QUESTION.

I KEEP GETTING DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

AGAIN THANK YOU FOR DEALING WITH ALL OF US TODAY.

WE LEARNED A LITTLE BIT, SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

YOU NEVER THINK YOU CAN WITH SOMEBODY YOU SEE ALMOST ALL THE TIME. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS BOTH IN YOUR PERSONAL ONES THAT YOU WANT TO SHARE AND YOUR PROFESSIONAL LIFE.

GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE BIGGEST THING IN THE WHOLE WORLD TO WHAT YOU ACCOMPLISHMENT'S MEAN A WHOLE LOT TO YOU.

>> ABSOLUTELY. SO, JUST TO START WITH MY BACKGROUND A LITTLE BIT, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE MY ENTIRE RESUME BECAUSE THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU ASKED ME BUT I WILL JUST SAY.

THIS I STARTED MY LEGAL CAREER AS AN ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY.

AND I STARTED IN FLORIDA AS BUSIEST JUDICIAL CIRCUIT.

I HAD A CRUSHING CASE LOAD COMPARED TO WHAT I HAVE NOW, AND I SURVIVED THAT. I'VE WALKED INTO A COURTROOM WHERE 90 CASES WERE SET FOR TRIAL AND ALL 90 OF THOSE CASES WERE MINE. I'VE WALKED INTO A COURTROOM WHERE I'M STANDING AT THE PODIUM AN THERE'S A LINE OF DEFENSE ATTORNEYS TO THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND ALL OF THEM ARE THERE TO FACE ME SO I'M PROUD OF HAVING GOTTEN THROUGH THOSE FIRST EARLY STAGES OF MY CAREER. HAVING STUCK WITH IT, I'VE LEARNED FROM IT, AND I WOULD BRING ALL OF THAT EXPERIENCE TO MY JOB HERE. ME RECENTLY THOUGH, IF YOU WERE TO ROLL THE CLOCK BACK BACK ABOUT SIX MONTHS I THINK I WOULD BE YOUR INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY I HAD NO IDEA BUT IN THE TWO MONTHS THAT I HAVE BEEN I'VE BEEN HOLDING DOWN THIS OFFICE.

THIS OFFICE HAS BEEN AT TIME STAFFED BY FIVE ATTORNEYS.

RIGHT NOW I'M YOUR ENTIRE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY I HAVEN'T HAD WONDERFUL SUPPORT FROM YOUR CHARTER OFFICERS. THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT AND I THINK OF BOTH OF THEM BUT I'M REALLY PROUD OF BEING ABLE TO STAND HERE AND LET YOU KNOW I'VE BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE WHEELS OF THE CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE TURNING. I'VE GOTTEN THOSE CONTRACT OUT, I'VE MADE SURE LITIGATION IS TAKEN CARE OF.

I'VE MADE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE THAT NEEDS TO DO, NOT ONLY TO SERVE THE COMMISSION BUT TO SERVE THE NEEDS OF STAFF.

SO IF I HAVE TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS.

>> PERSONAL ACCOMPLISHMENT YOU'RE PROUD OF.

>> I THINK GETTING THROUGH LAW SCHOOL WITH A TOPLESS.

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>> MR. C. JOHNSON. >> MR. -- MISS EARLY, MY QUESTION GOES TO LEADERSHIP STYLE.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP STYLE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY HOW WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT OR A VISION FOR THIS ROLE YOU'RE SEEKING.

>> ABSOLUTELY. SO, I WANT TO TAKE VERY EVERYONE THAT HAS SUPERVISED ME IN THE PAST AND TAKE THE GOOD, THE BAD AND REFOCUS BASED ON THAT I THINK I'VE TOLD ONE OR MORE OF YOU I'VE HAD 11 BOSSES AT LEAST AND THEY'VE ALL HAD THEIR DIFFERENT STYLES AND I FOUND THAT THE ONES THAT WORKED THE BEST ARE THE ONES THAT FACE ISSUES HEAD ON, AND ALSO THE ONES THAT ARE ENCOURAGING AND INSPIRE YOU TO DO YOUR VERY BEST. SO, THAT'S THE LEADERSHIP STYLE I WANT TO ADOPT, AND THAT IS INSPIRATIONAL.

I THINK IF PEOPLE ARE GIVEN THE RIGHT TOOLS TO SUCCEED, IF THEY'RE GIVEN PROPER ENCOURAGEMENT AND IF MISTAKES ARE CORRECTED AND PROPERLY DIRECTED, THAT ADDS TO THE

PRODUCTIVITY OF THE OFFICE. >> OKAY.

>> MR. J. JOHNSON. >> SO THINGS WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IN THE CITY OR TRY NOT TO THINK ABOUT ARE ISSUES OR CHALLENGES THAT BECOME RELATED TO H.R. ISSUES OR RISK MANAGEMENT ISSUES. SO IF YOU TWO JUST DESCRIBE FOR THE COMMISSION AN EXAMPLE OF A CHALLENGE THAT WAS FACED BY YOU IN YOUR TENURE HERE AND THEN ALSO ELSE WHERE AND GIVE US AN EXAMPLE HOW YOU SOLVED THAT CHALLENGE, BUT SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE H.R. RISK MANAGEMENT WORLD WHICH COULD COST THE CITY LOTS OF MONEY SOMETIMES.

>> RIGHT. SO, YES.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN RESOURCES AND THOSE DECISIONS FREQUENTLY YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DEALING WITH AN EMPLOYEE WHO HAS BEEN DISMISSED FROM THE CITY.

THAT CAN LEAD TO LITIGATION SOMETIMES.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE HANDLING THINGS ON THE FRONT END. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE THEY CAN PICK UP THE PHONE GET YOU INVOLVED AT ENEARLIER STAGE SO THAT CAN YOU REDIRECT AND AVOID AN ISSUE THAT COULD HAPPEN DOWN THE ROAD. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK ME SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING POLICY RELATED SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING ON I WOULD TALK ABOUT MAYBE THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA CBD ISSUE GETTING THE WORD OUT TO OUR STAFF.

IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. WE HAVE A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE I WORK CLOSELY WITH APPROPRIATE STAFF TO MAKE SURE IF THAT CONTINUES TO BE THE WILL, THAT THAT IS CLEARLY COMMUNICATED SO THAT STAFF KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IS

EXPECTED OF THEM. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT WORKING WITH FMIT AND THE RISK MANAGER. TALK ABOUT HOW YOU ENVISION STAYING ON TOP OF THAT WHILE IT'S WORKING WITH THE RISK MANAGER AND STAYING ON THE LITIGATION YOU KROG AND FMIT

WORKS. >> YES, MA'AM.

SO THE WAY THINGS HAVE BEEN HANDLED IN THE PAST THERE'S BEEN A PRETTY CLEAR BREAK IN THE CASES THAT ARE HANDLED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AN THE CASES THAT GO THROUGH RISK MANAGEMENT OUT TO OUTSIDE COUNSEL.

SO ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT HAS COME UP AND THAT I'VE IDENTIFIED IS THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE BETTER COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE RISK MANAGER'S OFFICE.

SO I'VE HAD THOSE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR RISK MANAGER. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OPTIONS THAT MIGHT BE SOFTWARE BASED THAT MIGHT INCLUDE GETTING IN TO PLACE A SOFTWARE WHERE SHE CAN SEE WHAT I'M DOING AND I CAN SEE WHAT SHE'S DOING SO EVEN IF SHARITA AND I CAN'T TALK I CAN SEE WHAT'S GONE ON WITH A CASE THAT WENT THROUGH THROUGH HER

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>> YES, MA'AM. MISS EARLY I WANT TO CONTINUE -S JOB ONE. WITH US WE GOT SOME ONE IN PLACE, WE CAN REEVALUATE. I DON'T INTEND TO HIRE MULTIPLE ATTORNEYS ON THE FRONT END. WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO IS START WITH ADDING ONE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY AND SEEING WHERE THAT PERSON'S SKILL SET LIES AND SEEING WHAT THE CURRENT LEGAL LANDSCAPE IS FOR OUR OFFICE AN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF. OVERALL MY GOAL FOR THIS OFFICE IS THAT IT WILL BECOME A WELL OILED MACHINE.

I WANT IT TO BE EFFICIENT. I WANT TO BUILD INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE. I WANT STABILITY.

I WANT FOR US TO BE AN OFFICE THAT, THE OFFICE THAT THE CITY DESERVES. IT HAS AGAIN AND IT CAN BE AGAIN BUT WE JUST NEED TO BUILD OUR STAFF BACK.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> SO YOU'VE WORKED HERE FOR A COUPLE YEARS AS ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. AND YOU GOT TO SEE HOW WE PERFORM AND THE NEEDS OF THE CITY GOING FORWARD.

WHAT CHANGES AS FAR AS YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMISSION WOULD YOU INSTILL IN THE FIRST 90 CASE?

>> AS FAR AS MY RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU WHAT I QUANTITY TO DO IS GIVE YOU A BETTER MORE DETAILED LITIGATION UPDATE, ESPECIALLY GOING BACK TO THE PRIOR QUESTION, NOT JUST WHAT CASES MY OFFICE IS HANDLING BUT ALSO THE CASES THAT ARE BEING HANDLED THROUGH OUR INSURANCE COVERAGE.

SO THAT'S THE LITIGATION UPDATE WHETHER IT'S VERBAL UPDATE OR SOMETHING MORE FORMAL WE WILL HAVE TO CROSS THAT BRIDGE.

BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO DO A BETTER JOB OF KEEPING YOU WILL OF YOU UP TO DATE. I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT YOU WILL HAVE MY CITY CELL PHONE. I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE IT.

I'VE SPOKEN TO EVERYBODY. I WANT YOU TO KNOW YOU CAN CALL ME AT ANY TIME. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 10 P.M., IF I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 7 A.M. I DON'T CARE IF I'M IN THE OFFICE. I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I'M AVAILABLE AND I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR AND I WANT THE LINES OF COMMUNICATION TO BE CLEAR AND YOU KNOW, I ALSO WILL LOOK FOR FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF YOU AND AS I GO. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY I'M PROVIDING THE TYPE OF SERVICE THAT YOU EXPECT OF ME AND THAT I AM PERFORMING UP TO STANDARDS.

>> J. JOHNSON. >> EXPAND UPON YOUR IDEAS UPON YOUR COMMUNICATION YOUR OFFICE'S COMMUNICATION TO DEPARTMENT

HEADS. >> OKAY.

>> MAYBE IT'S WHERE YOU WANT IT TO BE.

>> I THINK I'M IN A GOOD PLACE WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS.

THERE'S ALWAYS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT.

RIGHT? AGAIN I WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE IF THEY'VE GOT A QUESTION, THEY CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND ASK ME. I'D RATHER THEM ASK ME AND GET SOMETHING HANDLED ON THE FRONT END THAN HAVE SOMETHING FESTER AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT WHEN WE ARE IN LITIGATION.

SO THAT'S MY GOAL. I WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING TO ME. I WANT PEOPLE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ASKING ME QUESTIONS. MAY NOT ALWAYS BE IN A POSITION WHERE I CAN RESPOND WITH AN ANSWER IMMEDIATELY.

I MIGHT HAVE TO SAY LOOK, I'M GOING TO RESEARCH THIS AND I'LL TO BE COMFORTABLE COMING TO ME - AND I THINK I'VE FORMED A FAIRLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH A LOT OF THE STAFF.

I COME FROM A PLACE OF OPEN DOOR POLICY.

WE ALL WORK FOR THE SAME CITY. WE ALL HAVE THE SAME GOAL.

AND THAT'S THE PATH WE NEED TO BE ON.

>> OKAY. MY LAST PART IS ADMINISTRATIVELY

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>> SO, AS FAR AS THE BUDGET IS CONCERNED, I BELIEVE OUR BUDGET FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT'S COMING TO A CLOSE WAS SOMEWHERE AROUND $524,000. I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO INCREASE THAT BUDGET DRAMATICALLY OR IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.

I THINK FOR THE TIME BEING WE NEED TO HAVE A PAUSE AND I THINK I NEED TO REEVALUATE SO IDEALLY THAT PUTS US I THINK I THINK THE BUDGETS TALKS WILL START IN THE SPRING FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR AND I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY PERFECT TIMING BECAUSE IDEALLY AT THAT POINT I WOULD HAVE AT LEAST MY ONE PERSON HIRED AND HAVE SOME IDEA OF THE NEEDS OF THE OFFICE AND AT THAT BEEN POINT I THINK I CAN REEVALUATE WHAT DO WE NEED, DO WE NEED ADDITIONAL SUPPORT STAFF, DO WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL ATTORNEY, DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT BRINGING OUTSIDE COUNSEL ITEMS IN OR VICE-VERSA ET CETERA SO AT THIS POINT I DON'T WANT TO PRE-JUDGE ANYTHING. I WANT TO LOOK AT THE FACTS.

I WANT TO SIT DOWN AND DO THAT ANALYSIS.

I WANT TO SIT DOWN WITH MS. MORRIS AND MR. MIMS AND

FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN GO. >> SO CITY ATTORNEYS HAVE PROBLEMS SOMETIMES BECAUSE THE PUBLIC WANTS THEM TO WEIGH IN ON ISSUES AND WANTS TO TALK TO THEM AND I'M WONDERING HOW YOU HANDLE THAT BECAUSE OF COURSE IF THEY DON'T GET TREATED NICELY THEY COME TO US BUT I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT.

WAS YOUR TAKE ON THAT. >>R.

>> YES, MA'AM. BASICALLY AS YOU KNOW WE ARE HERE TO REPRESENT THE CITY AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE DO CALL IN AND THEY DO SEEK LEGAL ADVICE AND WE TRY TO EITHER DIRECT THEM TO LEGAL SERVICES OR TO THE PROPER OTHER AGENCY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASSIST THEM. SOMETIMES WE ARE JUST NOT ABLE TO ASSIST. I THINK THE PROPER RESPONSE TO THAT IS POLITE I'M SORRY, I DON'T GIVE LEGAL ADVICE TO THE PUBLIC. THESE ARE SOME RESOURCES AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION SHOULD

APPROPRIATELY END. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING

CLOSING OUT TO US? >> ALL RIGHT.

SO CLOSING OUT, IT'S LIKE THIS HAS GONE BY EXTREMELY FAST.

>> SEEMS THAT TO ME TOO. >> YOU ALL HAVE MY RESUME.

YOU HAVE MY WORK HISTORY. LOOK.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, I JUST I WANT LIKE I SAID TO BRING SOME STABILITY TO THIS OFFICE. MY WORK ETHIC THE PRETTY SIMPLE.

IT'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SUBSTITUTE FOR HARD WORK.

I BELIEVE STROONG -- STRONGLY IN HONING YOUR CRAFT AND PUBLIC SERVICE. I'VE SAID THIS TO ALL OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

IT'S REALLY WHAT I'VE DEDICATED MY LEGAL CAREER TO AND I CAN'T PICTURE MYSELF DOING ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN THIS AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE YOUR NEXT CITY ATTORNEY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU.

[7. DISCUSSION AND SELECTION OF CITY ATTORNEY]

>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE DISCUSSION AND SELECTION OF

THE CITY ATTORNEY. >> ALL RIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT I THINK THAT WE HAVE THREE REALLY INTERESTING AND GOOD CANDIDATES ALL WITH THEIR STRENGTHS AND SOME VERY, VERY DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES, REALLY AND THERE'S SOME STRONG CANDIDATES AND REALLY, KIND OF DELIGHTFUL PEOPLE, ALL INTERESTING AN ALL DELIGHTFUL AND ALL WELL QUALIFIED I WILL SAY.

I THINK SOMEHOW WE ENDED UP WITH THE THREE BEST OF THE SELECTION.

>> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES.

>> SO, I WILL ECHO THAT. YOU KNOW, MY PERSPECTIVE IS DIFFERENT THIS TIME. LAST TIME I ACTUALLY SAT IN THE AUDIENCE. I WAS HERE WHEN YOU GUYS INTERVIEWED THE LAST THREE CANDIDATES AND I KNEW ONE OF THOSE CANDIDATES PERSONALLY THAT WAS VYING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND HAD FOLLOWED THAT PORTER GOSS PRETTY CLOSELY AND AGAIN, AND YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD TO GIVE US UNIQUE DID I HAVERS

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I'M REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT AND THE DISCUSSIONS I HAD WITH THEM IN HOW THEY SEE OUR CITY AND THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS CITY AND ME BEAK ABLE TO HAVE BOUNCED SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS OFF SOME OF THE CANDIDATES SO I FEEL REALLY GOOD ABOUT THE PROCESS OF BEING ABLE TO SELECT AN ATTORNEY GOING FORWARD BASED ON WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED SO FAR.

>> J. JOHNSON. >> NO DOUBT COMMISSIONER AND MAYOR WHAT A GREAT DAY IT'S BEEN SO FAR AND JUST LEARNING ABOUT THESE INDIVIDUALS, THREE VERY, VERY QUALIFIED FOLKS, YOU KNOW, VYING FOR THIS POSITION. YOU KNOW I STARTED LOOKING AT IT A FEW WEEKS AGO FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHERE'S THE THE CITY GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT 5, 10, 15 YEARS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO BE LIKE, WHAT'S THE PRESSURE GOING TO BE LIKE FROM THE GROWTH OF OUR CITY OR FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND WHO IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THOSE TYPES OF DETAILS. AND ALL THREE OF THESE CANDIDATES HERE TODAY NO DOUBT CAN HANDLE THE TASKS THAT ARE COMING OUR WAY. WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, IT'S COMING OUR WAY. AND I LEARNED A LOT MORE THIS MORNING ABOUT EACH ONE OF THEM AND HOW THEY WOULD HANDLE YOU KNOW THE VARIOUS SITUATIONS. YOU KNOW, I REALLY THINK TWO OF THE THREE AND ME ASKING THAT PERSONAL QUESTION FOR ME, TWO OF THE THREE STOOD OUT A LITTLE MORE THAN THAN THE THIRD CANDIDATE AND SO, I'M WRESTLING RIGHT NOW WITH YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR CITY, WHO IS GOING TO BE BEST SUITED TO HELP US MOVE INTO THE NEXT REALM OF OPPORTUNITY FOR FORT PIERCE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD WITHOUT SAYING ANY NAMES YET. I'LL SAY IT IN A FEW MINUTES BUT THERE ARE TWO I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH ON FOR SURE TO HELP ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION I WAS ASKING MYSELF.

>> YES, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> SO I WILL SHARE WITH YOU IN MY INTERVIEW WE TALKED, I TRIED NOT TO TALK ANYTHING ABOUT LAW.

I'M NOT A LAWYER. I CAN READ ALL THE RESUMES AND I TRUST THE FLORIDA BAR TO BE ABLE TO SAY THEY'VE PASSED ALL THEIR TESTS AND CAN DO WHATEVER. TO ME IT'S PERSONALITY.

TO ME 90 PERCENT OF THE JOB IS THE RIGHT PERSONALITY TO HAVE THE RIGHT FIT. I JOINED THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IN 2010 AND I DIDN'T LIKE THE STAFF VERY MUCH BACK THEN.

[LAUGHTER] IT. >> WAS OBVIOUS IN A FEW MEETINGS BUT I REALLY LIKE OUR STAFF RIGHT NOW.

THEY WORK TOGETHER. IT'S A TEAM.

IT REALLY IS. WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER BUT THE CITY MANAGER IS ONLY GOOD AS WHOEVER HE HAS WORKING RIGHT THERE WITH HIM AND THOSE FOLKS KNOW IT AND SAME THING WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. WE CAN MAKE A VERY BAD DECISION BY PUTTING SOMEBODY THAT JUST DOESN'T FIT.

SO MY QUESTIONS AND I KNOW THEY'RE ALL GOING AWAY GOING WHAT THE HECK IS THAT COMMISSIONER TALKING ABOUT? HE'S TALKING ABOUT WHAT I DO FOR FUN, WHERE DO I GO, WHAT'S MY FAVORITE VACATION. THIS IS A CHANCE FOR ME TO FIND OUT WHO WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, ASSUMING THE LAW PART OF IT IS ALL GOOD AND THEY ARE VERY, VERY QUALIFIED.

AND I CAME DOWN, I HAD TWO FINALISTS THAT THEIR PERSONALITY WOULD SLIDE RIGHT INTO WHAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON HERE AND I

WOULD BE HAPPY WITH THAT. >> YOU HAVE TO NARROW IT DOWN TO

ONE PERONA. >> I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT WAS ABOUT FIT, ALL ABOUT FIT, NOT ABOUT CREDENTIALS AND NOT ABOUT WHO, WHAT, WHERE; HOW OLD YOU ARE,

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NOW SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS BEHALF YOU DO AND HOW DO YOU IT PROBABLY NEVER CHANGES. I WAS VERY HAPPY WITH ALL OF THEM BUT I THOUGHT TWO WOULD BE AN EASY FIT.

>> MADAM I'LL EXPAND UPON WHAT COMMISSIONER PERONA SEDIMENT MY PERSPECTIVE ON FIT IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT I SOUGHT OUT YOU KNOW, MY BACKGROUND IN THINGS I'VE DONE IN THE PAST BEING ABLE TO EVALUATE CANDIDATES AND BEING IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS BEFORE IS NOT ONLY THE FIT BUT IT'S ALSO SUSTAINABILITY.

AND IT'S ALSO THE VISION OF WHERE WE ARE AND THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT LEADERSHIP STYLE OR WE TALK ABOUT THE ABILITY TO GRASP AND HAVE A FEELING AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CURRENT CLIMATE AND CULTURE OF AN ORGANIZATION IS, THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT THINGS THAT SPEAK TO FIT BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CULTURE AND CLIMATE YOU'RE WALKING INTO, THAT CAN BE A CHALLENGE AND RIGHT NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT LITERALLY WITHIN THE LAST PROBABLY 30 DAYS WE HAVE APPROVED A LOT OF STUFF IN CITY OF FORT PIERCE SO WE ARE ALREADY RUNNING A HUNDRED MILES PER HOUR RIGHT NOW. WE ARE RUNNING A HUNDRED RIGHT NOW. SO THAT TRAIN IS DOWN THE TRACK.

SO I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THIS FOR ME IT CAME DOWN TO SAYING, WHO CAN GRASP THAT TRAIN AT A HUNDRED MILES PER HOUR AND HOLD ON AND KEEP GOING WITH US. SO I'M PRETTY CLEAR ON WHO I WANT TO SELECT HERE AS OUR NEXT CITY ATTORNEY AND I DON'T KNOW OUR PROCESS IF WE ARE VOTING BY PAPER BUT I'M PRETTY CLEAR ON WHO I THINK THAT PERSON SHOULD BE.

>> WELL. NOW WE HAVE TWO THAT HAVE FAVORITES, NO NAMES, AN ONE THAT HAS ONE FAVORITE, NO NAME.

SO, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOME, BECAUSE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE.

RIGHT? SO, I'M TRYING TO ELIMINATE SOMEBODY AND ONE OF THE ONES I THINK THAT REALLY IS A STANDOUT IS MR. BOXNER WITH HIS DEPTH BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT AND HE'S WORKING FOR LIVING IN A PLACE THAT'S LESS HECTIC THAN MIAMI BEACH. AND HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW UNHECTIC THIS PLACE IS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE, THAT THIS IS A QUIETER PLACE, A MORE EASY PACE, AND CERTAINLY PEOPLE MAKE A LOT LESS ABOUT THE SUSTAINABILITY AND THE ABILITY TO MEET A SALARY REQUEST THAT MIGHT BE IN THAT PERSON'S MIND. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

AND ALSO, SOMETIMES WHEN PEOPLE HAVE WORKED IN A BIG OPERATION, THEY'RE USED TO A BIG OPERATION. SO I THINK FORT PIERCE DOES A LOT WITH A LITTLE, AND I THINK WE HAVE HAD TO DO THAT AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE WE ARE GOING TO BE SO LUXURIOUS AND HAVE AS MANY ATTORNEYS AS PORT ST. LUCIE OR WHATEVER. SO AS MUCH AS I LIKED HIM AND I THINK HE HAS GREAT QUALIFICATIONS, IF I HAVE TO ELIMINATE SOMEBODY THAT MIGHT ELIMINATE MR. BOXNER FOR ME.

AND THEN I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT I KEEP THINKING ABOUT THE STORIES I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE WAY ST. LUCIE COUNTY HIRED DAN MCINTYRE WHEN HE WAS A YOUNG ATTORNEY AND I DON'T NOTE IF HE WAS FRESH OUT OF LAW SCHOOL BUT HE WAS UP AGAINST CANDIDATES WITH MORE EXPERIENCE AND NOW HE'S IN HIS 25TH OR 30TH YEAR AND HE'S BEEN DEDICATED. HE'S BEEN QUIET.

HE'S QUIETLY DONE HIS JOB. AND I DON'T THINK THEY'VE EVER HAD MORE THAN THREE ATTORNEYS IN THAT OFFICE IN MY MEMORY.

AND SO, I'M AGAIN, WE HAVE TO, I REALLY LIKED ALL THREE OF THEM AND I REALLY LIKED MR. ANON. I THOUGHT TOTALLY PERSONAL. WE KNEW A LOT OF THE SAME PEOPLE BUT I COULD TELL HE COULD BE SERIOUS WHEN HE NEEDED TO BE

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BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE A REALLY BRIGHT STAR RIGHT HERE IN OUR MIDST ALREADY, AND I'M TALKING ABOUT FIT AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE WHEN YOU WERE FIRST ELECTED. YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE WHEN THERE'S TENSION AND CONSTANT DRAMA AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND RIGHT NOW I FEEL LIKE THAT WE HAVE A NON-COMPETITIVE WORKING TOGETHER TEAM. I DON'T SENSE THE TENSION.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY KIND OF ONE UP MANSHIP.

EVERYBODY IS PULLING FOR FORT PIERCE SO I THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO HIRE ALL THREE OF THEM BECAUSE I REALLY THINK THEY'RE ALL COMPETENT BUT WE CAN'T, SO WE HAVE TO CHOOSE ONE.

SO, YES. >> SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS A COUPLE YEARS AGO AND WE HIRED PETE SWEENEY, A LOCAL GUY, HAD IT ALL FROM SOUP TO NUTS AS FAR AS I WAS CONCERNED, INCLUDING A CONNECTION TO FORT PIERCE ITSELF WHICH JUST WAS THE FROSTING ON THE CAKE. HE WAS AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME WHEN I GOT TO THE END OF THAT DECISION PURCHASED, I WAS VERY CONFIDENT. IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS WE EVER CAME TO AND GETTING TO KNOW PETE OVER THE YEARS, THE FEW YEARS THAT HE WAS HERE I WAS NOT DISAPPOINTED WHATSOEVER. AND BEING HERE ON A WEEKLY BASIS FOR OPEN DOOR, I GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO HIM IN AND OUT, AND I SEE TANYA EARLY COMING AND GOING COMING AND GOING COMING AND GOING AND IT WASN'T LONG UNTIL I LEARNED THAT BIG PART OF PETE'S SUCCESS WAS COMING AND GOING COMING AND GOING COMING AND GOING AND I FINALLY ASKED HIM ONE DAY I SAID, DO YOU DO ANY WORK? HE SAID THERE'S MY WORKHORSE RIGHT THERE. I TO DO WORK WORK I DEAL WITH STAFF BUT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THAT PERSON.

ALL RIGHT. SO I HAD THAT BACK THEN BEFORE ALL THIS STAFF BECAME RELEVANT, AND I ALWAYS THOUGHT FOR MYSELF THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE GOOD WORKERS AND NOT GOOD MANAGERS.

WE'VE ALL KNOWN THE PETER PRINCIPLE.

WE'VE ALL HEARD THAT. YOU ELEVATE SOMEBODY HIGH ENOUGH AND THEY BECOME WORTHLESS AND I'M ALWAYS CAUTIOUS OF THAT AND WHEN WE MADE TANYA THE INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY, I SAID THIS WILL BE THE TEST, AND I'M TELLING YOU WHAT, I THINK THE MILITARY GEAR CAME ON, SHE BECAME A DIFFERENT PERSON AT THAT HAPPENING AND I THINK BLOOMED INTO EXACTLY WHAT YOU KNOW LIKE A PETE SWEENEY BUT WITH ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS AND ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DELIVER.

SO, THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS.

I DO AGREE SOME OF THESE CANDIDATES MR. BOXNER TURNED MY HEAD EVERY TIME. I'D LOVE IF WE WERE UNDER ATTACK LEGALLY TO PUSH HIM INTO THE ROOM BECAUSE I THINK HIS PRESENCE THERE WOULD GET THE JOB DONE MOST OF THE TIME BUT YOU CAN'T DISCOUNT THE FACT THAT FIERY LITTLE ATTORNEY THAT CAME IN LAST COULDN'T GET THE SAME THING DONE SO I AGREE WITH YOU MAYOR. I THINK GIVEN THE CHOICE BETWEEN THE TWO MISS EARLY PASSED ALL MY TESTS.

I EVEN TRIED TO FLIP HER ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH MY CONVERSATION EARLY ON AND SHE WAS STEADFAST.

I AM NO RIVAL, BELIEVE ME. SO I THINK THE CITY WOULD BE IN GREAT SHAPE BY PROMOTING HER TO CITY ATTORNEY.

>> AND I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT.

TANYA EARLY AT THE PODIUM WAS A DIFFERENT TANYA EARLY TOO.

I MEAN SHE WAS VERY OUTSPOKEN AND STEELY AND KNEW, IN MY OPINION. MY OPINION.

SO. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK?

OR WE WANT TO VOTE? >> I'M READY TO VOTE.

>> SO, IS IT BALLOT OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION AN VOTED?

>> WE CAN DO THAT TOO. >> I HAVE ONE PREPARED FOR YOU

TO RANK THEM 1 THROUGH 3. >> THEY'RE ALL 1'S SO WE HAVE TO

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CHOOSE ONE. >> MADAM MAYOR, DO WE NEED TO RANK THEM? DO YOU THINK THAT'S PROPER PROTOCOL THAT WE COULD GIVE THEM A RANKING?

>> ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER HIS QUESTION?

SORRY, SIR. >> DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A

FORMALITY. >> I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

>> EITHER WAY WORKS. IF THERE'S A STRONG CONSENSUS FOR A NUMBER 1, VOTE ON IT. IF THERE'S CONSENSUS ISN'T THERE YET THEN TRANG THEM AND SEE IF YOU CAN GET A CONSENSUS.

>> OKAY. >> MAYOR.

>> I MAKE A MOTION WE ENGAGE STAFF TO WORK WITH MISS TANYA EARLY TO CONTRACT HER AS OUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY.

>> SECOND. >> ANY DISCUSSION? CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>> GOOD JOB. GREAT CANDIDATES.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK.

THEY'LL OBVIOUSLYLY BE WATCHING IT.

I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED ALL THE INTERACTIONS WE HAD HE HAD AND I THINK AND MR. [NAME] WELL QUALIFIED, THE CONCERN WOULD BE SUSTAINABILITY AT SUCH A HIGHER LEVEL IN WHICH HE'S COMPENSATED THAT WOULD POSE TO ME AS A LONG-TERM CONCERN.

THAT'S A HUGE GAP BETWEEN THOSE TWO POINTS RIGHT NOW FOR ME.

AND THEN, WITH MR. ANON IT WAS VERY CLOSE.

IT CAME DOWN FOR ME IT WAS THIS TRAIN RIGHT NOW IS A HUNDRED MILES DOWN THE TRACK AND WHILE I THINK HE COULD BE A GOOD FIT THE FIT IS WORKING RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S BEEN DEMONSTRATED FOR ME SO I'M RELYING ON THAT AS MY DECISION-MAKING TO CHOOSE TANYA EARLY BECAUSE SHE'S ON THAT TRACK WITH US BUILT THOSE THINGS. SHE'S BEEN HERE TWO YEARS SO THAT WEIGHED HEAVILY WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO THOSE TWO FROM MY

PERSPECTIVE. >> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT

YOU'RE SAYING. >> YES, SIR.

>> YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT I DID TALK TO MR. BOXNER ABOUT THE

SALARY. >> YES.

>> AND HE SAID HE REALLY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE WOULD DEMAND BUT HE LEFT ME WITH IMPRESSION IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE THE SAME AMOUNT HE'S GETTING NOW. WHETHER IT WOULD BE ANOTHER HUNDRED GRAND DIFFERENCE WOULD BE ANOTHER STORY.

>> EXACTLY. >> THAT'S JUST THE CONCERN.

I COME FROM THE BUSINESS WORLD AND I'VE BEEN ON THAT SIDE OF THE TABLE AND I'VE HAD CANDIDATES SAY THAT BURT IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY WHEN THEY'RE IN THE BOOK WHEN THE PAYCHECK COMES. AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE CITY IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. WE NEED SOME STABILITY HERE.

THIS OFFICE AN UNSTABLE NOW FOR A COUPLE YEARS AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR GLERM STABILITY AND I FEEL AS THOUGH THE CANDIDATE THAT I VOTED FOR WOULD GIVE US THAT STABILITY.

>> WE ARE PROUD OF ALL THREE CANDIDATES AND IF WE GET ANOTHER CONTRACT FOR ANOTHER ATTORNEY YOU CAN BET WE WILL BE CONTACTING THE TWO THAT DIDN'T GET THIS JOB.

>> THEY PERFORMED WELL. THEY SEEM TO BE QUALITY PEOPLE AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE ALL THREE OF THEM BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE

CAN'T. >> OKAY.

AND YOUR QUESTION WILL I BE CONTACTING THEM, YES I WILL BE CONTACTING THEM. I SUGGEST FOR THE INTERNAL CANDIDATE PROBABLY YOU MAYOR MAY TALK TO HER, TWO REASONS ONE SHE'S INTERNAL AND TWO IT'S GOOD NEWS.

>> RIGHT. YOU GET TO GIVE THE BAD NEWS.

>> I'LL TAKE THE BAD NEWS. I TRUST YOU'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER AN EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT OR CONTRACT.

SHE'S ALREADY INDICATED WHAT COMPENSATION I GUESS THE DOLLAR

COMPENSATION. >> RIGHT.

>> I DOUBT IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANY TROUBLE WITH THAT.

IF YOU DO JUST GIVE US A HOLLER AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ASSIST.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE CONTRACTUAL I JUST BRIEFLY BEFORE WE GET INTO THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING OR CHANGING PARTS AND PIECES.

ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TO THE CANDIDATES WAS TALKING ABOUT CONTRACT WAS TALKING ABOUT MONEY SPECIFICALLY WHICH I ASKED HERE BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MISS EARLY I ASKED HER ABOUT LIVING ARRANGEMENTS, SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ON THIS DAIS MANY YEARS WITH OUR CHARTER OFFICERS IS THE LIVING ARRANGEMENT. SO WE'VE CHANGED OVER TIME, NOT TOO MUCH BUT WE'VE MADE A REQUIREMENT WITHIN SO MANY YEARS

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TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED US AROUND.

I'M NOT SURE THAT I CAN, I WOULD BE WILLING TO FOREGO COMPLETELY THE LIVING REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF LIMITS OF FORT PIERCE. HOWEVER I AM AMENABLE TO IT BECAUSE OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE PANDEMIC AND BECAUSE THERE HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE FOR ME AS ONE OF FIVE COMMISSIONERS GETTING IN CONTACT WITH MR. MIMS MISS COX OR THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE. IF I NEED TO HAVE A MEET WITH THEM I PICK UP A DEVICE AND HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM.

I'VE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH THEM RESPONDING TO A CITY EMERGENCY TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOT FROM IN COMMISSIONER.

SO WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE CONTRACT I THINK WE SHOULD START TALKING ABOUT THAT ELEMENT, BECAUSE ONE THING THAT DID I ASK EACH ONE OF THEM IS ABOUT THE LITTLE THINGS OUTSIDE OF THE WORKPLACE, OUTSIDE OF THE LEGAL WORLD AND THEY HAD SHARED WITH ME DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THEIR PERSONAL LIVES.

THEY SHARED WITH ME WHERE THEY ARE WITH THEIR PERSONAL LIFE WHEN IT'S A KID IN COLLEGE IN HIGH SCHOOL OR MIDDLE SCHOOL A NEW BABY, YOU KNOW, JUST BEING BORN, SO THEY SHARED THAT INFORMATION. TANYA SHARED THAT INFORMATION WITH ME. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A CHALLENGE IF WE WERE TO PUT A SPECIFIC TIME FRAME IN THAT CONTRACT RIGHT NOW. SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT TIME WHEN WE ARE VOTING ON A CONTRACT, SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE ARE IN A

DIFFERENT WORLD. >> YES.

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT AND I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE CONTRACT GETS HERE BUT YOU KNOW MY THOUGHT ON THAT IS THAT WE HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS THAT ARE HIGH PROFILE IN OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CITY MANAGER OUR CITY CLERK OR POLICE CHIEF YOU KNOW THESE WHO ARE THERE AND KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO KNOW MY ATTORNEY.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT ALL THROUGH THIS MEETING HOW THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT HAVE A DIRECT CONTACT WITH THAT.

SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING THE EXCEPTION IN THIS PLACE IN THIS TERM FOR THAT CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER.

IN FACT I DON'T WANT MY ATTORNEY TALKING TO ANYBODY ELSE AND IT'S BECAUSE I'D RATHER THAT PERSON BE WORKING ON THE ISSUES OF THE CITY CONCENTRATING TOTALLY ON THE ISSUES OF THE CITY AND NOT DEALING WITH ALL THE -- THAT'S OUR JOB.

>> THAT'S OUR JOB. >> SO WE DID THIS BEFORE WITH PETE SWEENEY AND MECIR AND EVERYBODY ELSE.

WE'VE DONE THAT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME BUT I REALLY THINK WE SHOULD RETHINK THAT FOR THIS ONE POSITION BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR ME TO KNOW MY CITY MANAGER LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY AND THEY SEE THEM AT PUBLIX OR RUNNING DOWN THE STREET, SAME WITH MY CITY CLERK. THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE.

THEY KNOW THEY'RE ENGAGED WITH THE COMMUNITY BUT THE CITY ATTORNEY IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I WANT THEM TO STAY IN THEIR LITTLE CAVE DO ALL THE WORK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND KEEP US SAFE. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

>> MR. C. JOHNSON. >> WOW.

HOW TO FOLLOW THAT ONE. WHAT I COULD SAY IS I HAD THAT ENGAGING CONVERSATION WITH MISS EARLY AND THAT WAS A SMALL CONCERN OF MINE. I THINK AS WE HANDLE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THAT I'LL BE LOOKING TO CRAFT LANGUAGE ON AVAILABILITY AND I THINK SHE'S OFFERED TO BE AVAILABLE BY PHONE, WE HAVE THESE HANDY DEVICES NOW, WE CAN ALWAYS SEE PEOPLE FACE-TO-FACE PER SE AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

MY ONLY QUESTION WOULD BE IS THAT SOMETHING IN THE CHARTER THAT REQUIRED THAT, IF NOT, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE IT WAS A POINT OF CONTENTION LAST YEAR AND AS I RAN IT WAS SOMETHING I HEARD ABOUT AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE PART I NEED TO MAKE SURE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT I THINK AS WE ENTER NEGOTIATIONS I THINK THERE ARE WAYS WE CAN TALK ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY TO MISS EARLY BECAUSE SHE'S SERVING THE COMMISSION AN THE SURPRISING THING WHEN I TALKED TO HER SHE WANTS TO BE A LITTLE BIT INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITIES JUST TO KNOW ABOUT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, RIGHT, NOT NECESSARILY MAKING FRIENDS WITH EVERYBODY OUT THERE BUT JUST KNOWING MORE ABOUT THE HISTORY AND BEING INVOLVED SO THERE'S AN INTELLECTUAL CURIOSITY THAT SHE IS DEMONSTRATING IN OUR CONVERSATIONS THAT SHE WANTS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITIES SHE SERVES AND I THINK THERE ARE WAYS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT HOW WE

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>> MADAM MAYOR THERE'S THREE POSITIONS OUTSIDE OF US ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT I ALWAYS SEE AS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITIONS TO BE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

ONE CITY MANAGER. CITY MANAGER OPERATES AS WE KNOW AND DIRECTS ALL ASPECTS OF THE CITY WHETHER IT BECOMES TO A PARK A ROADWAY OR WHATEVER. NEXT YOU HAVE YOUR STATE INITIATED POSITION, THE CITY EVENING NEAR.

CITY EVENING NEAR NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING.

IT'S TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS THAT AFFECT ALL OUR PUBLIC OR CONNECTIVITY OR WAIVER. THIRD IS DIRECTOR OF UTILITY SYSTEM. THEY SHOULD BE A RESIDENT AN USER OF THE UTILITY SYSTEM BECAUSE THOSE UTILITIES AFFECT THE DAILY LIVES OF ALL OF OUR FOLKS AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THOSE THREE POSITIONS OUTSIDE OF ELECTED OFFICIALS.

EVEN THE CITY CLERK, SO IT'S IN YOUR CONTRACT NOW, YOU LIVE HERE AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE HERE. IT'S OKAY IF YOU DIDN'T.

I WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT BUT THOSE THREE POSITIONS.

>> I'M GLAD YOU WANTED TO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE AND I WANTED TO GET THAT BEFORE US BEFORE WE GET A CONTRACT AN LETSD FIGURE OUT LANGUAGE TO TALK ABOUT IT OR MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS WITH A ONE OR TWO-YEAR WE WILL READDRESS IT IN THAT TIME FRAME.

>> LISTENING TO ALL OF YOU I THINK IT'S SORT OF GELLED.

I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS IT REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY LIVE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THEY'RE PROVIDING A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE THAT IS TO THIS COMMISSION AND SO, THAT LEGAL OBLIGATION DEDICATION TO THIS COMMISSION AND THIS CITY IS PRESENT WHEREVER AND SINCE WE ARE IN 2021 AND WE HAVE IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT THAN 1921.

THE TREASURE COAST IS MUCH CLOSER.

WE ARE ALL OF CLOSER THAN WE WERE.

SO I'M NOT -- I'VE RETHOUGHT THAT WHOLE THING BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE DIRECTOR OF UTILITIES SHOULD BE AT LEAST A RATE PAYER AND PREFERABLELY LIVE IN THE CITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE CAN BE TALKED ABOUT. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE CITY EVENING NEAR. NOW I'M GOING TO THINK ABOUT

THAT. >> AND THE POLICE CHIEF.

>> AND THE POLICE CHIEF. I'M COMFORTABLE MAKING THE POLICE CHIEF LIVE IN THE CITY. I'M VERY -- I CAN JUSTIFY THAT BUT I CAN'T JUSTIFY NECESSARILY THE ATTORNEY.

SO, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.

BECAUSE I THINK WE NEEDED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND KNOW HOW EVERYBODY FEELS. SO ANYTHING ELSE? MR. MIMS, CAN I ASK YOU, WHO DOES DO THE CONTRACT?

WHAT HAPPENS FROM HERE? >> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSIONER I DID HEAR A MOTION FOR STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. LINDA AND I ARE STAFF SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SPECIFIC DIRECTIVE TO ONE OF US OR WE COULD WORK TOGETHER, WE COULD TAKE CARE OF IT, BUT I THINK IT'S GOOD FOR LINDA AND I TO HAVE THAT CLARITY MOVING

FORWARD. >> LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING.

DO YOU FEEL THE NEED OF AN ATTORNEY TO CRAFT A CONTRACT?

>> NO. >> WOULD IT BE AN ORDER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE LAST CONTRACT OF OUR LAST CITY ATTORNEY LOOKED LIKE IF WE START WITH THAT FROM A DRAFT PERSPECTIVE SO THAT I CAN LOOK AT IT AN DELINEATE CROSS OUT THINGS MAYBE SUGGEST LANGUAGE OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND GIVE IT TO YOU AS A WORKING DOCUMENT AND YOU BRING IT BACK.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST?

I'VE NEVER SEEN A CONTRACT. >> WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS ABOUT 4 OR 5 TIMES SINCE I'VE BEEN CITY MANAGER SO WE HAVE A TEMPLATE WE HAVE USED AND THE SAME TEMPLATE IS IN USE FOR THE CITY CLERK AND MYSELF AS WELL. I'LL BE-LAP TO FORWARD THAT TO

YOU. >> VACATION STUFF IS STANDARD.

>> IT'S BASICALLY ALL STANDARD. YOU TALKED WILL BE ACCESSIBILITY. I BELIEVE WE ARE ACCESSIBLE 24 HOURS A DAY. THAT'S OR JOB.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY RESTRAINT ON THAT BEING CITY ATTORNEY.

I'LL BE HAPPY TO SEND YOU THE TEMPLATE.

>> I'M GOING TO CALL MISS EARLY IF THAT'S AGREEABLE AND I'M

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TO GET THAT NEW ASSISTANT ATTORNEY.

RIGHT? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> ALL RIGHT. ARE WE

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