Oct 11, 2021 Planning Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> CALLING THE OCTOBER PLANNING BOARD MEETING TO ORDER. AND TODAY IS THE 11TH, RIGHT? YEAH. I WENT TO LUNCH AND CAME BACK AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH WHAT YOU GOT. I HAD NO ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, I DON'T DRINK.

BUT I GOT TO GET MY MIND BACK INTO THE MODE HERE AGAIN. WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND WITH US FOR OUR PLEDGE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JOLLIBERTY AND JUSL LIBERTY AND JOLLIBERTY AND JUS UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JN NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE,

WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL THANK YOU >> GNAW THANK YOU.

IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE INSTRUMENTS, PLEASE TURN IT OFF OR KILL THE SOUND OR SOMETHIN .

IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE INSTRUMENTS, PLEASE TURN IT OFF OR KILL THE SOUND OR SOMETHING.

IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE INSTRUMENTS, PLEASE TURN IT OFF OR KILL THE SOUND OR SOMETHING.

IF YOU HAVE ONE OF THESE INSTRUMENTS, PLEASE TURN IT OFF OR KILL THE SOUND OR SOMETHING

AND YES, I DID MINE. >> MS. CLEMONS >> HERE.

>> MS. BAKER >> YES. >> ROLL CALL.

>> AND WE'VE GOT A FULL HOUSE. NO NEED TO TALK ABOUT ABSENTEES.

MR. ALBERRY, MY HEART IS WITH YOU FOR YOUR LOSS. I KNOW THAT IT'S A STRUGGLING TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS.

I ALWAYS GENERALLY HAVE SOMETHING THAT I COMMENT ON BEFORE WE BEGIN OUR MEETING.

AND I JUST -- I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT WE DID AS A COUNTRY AND IT WAS JUST EXPLAINED TO ME. I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON COLUMBUS DAY, BEING TODAY.

AND BECAUSE OF MY WHITE HAIR, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S STILL COLUMBUS DAY TODAY.

BUT IT'S INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY. AND WE'RE CELEBRATING THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY TODAY. AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT -- DID I UNDERSTAND IT CORRECTLY THAT WE ARE GOING TO REPLACE COLUMBUS DAY WITH THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE'S DAY? IS THAT WHAT IS HAPPENING? IT'S DONE. IT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. >> IT'S DONE.

>> ALL RIGHT. WELL, OKAY. MOVING ON.

THERE IS A SPECIAL ELECTION COMING UP ON DECEMBER 7TH IN FORT PIERCE.

FOR COMMISSIONER. AND COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER PASSED AWAY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND THERE IS A SPECIAL ELECTION TO ELECT A COMMISSIONER TO REPLACE COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER FOR THE BALANCE OF HIS TERM ON THE COMMISSION, WHICH I THINK IS ROUGHLY A YEAR, I THINK HE HAD LEFT.

SOMEWHERE IN TO THAT ORDER. THERE ARE -- I'M NOT GOING TO NAME THE INDIVIDUALS.

THERE ARE THREE INDIVIDUALS RUNNING. AND THIS IS DISTRICT ONE.

AND I'M JUST SAYING THIS TO REMIND ANYONE IN DISTRICT ONE THAT YOU HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION COMING, AND YOU SHOULD CERTAINLY EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE.

[a. Minutes from the September 13, 2021 meeting]

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION, MR. BRODERICK AND A SECOND FROM MR. BURGE. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL,

PLEASE. >> ROLL CALL. >> AND FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THOSE WATCHING ON TV, THOSE MINUTES WERE FOR OUR SEPTEMBER 13TH MEETING.

[a. Annexation - East Coast Packers - 2120 North Old Dixie Highway]

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>> THAT IS THE CASE. >> AND THAT PRESENTER IS GOING TO BE MS. HUFFMEISTER-DREW

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD MEMBERS. BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON IS AN APPLICATION FOR A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. THE PROPERTY CONSIST OF JUST UNDER AN ACRE .4 ACRES, INDUSTRIAL LAND USE, THEY ARE PROPOSING TO GO TO INDUSTRIAL IN A CITY. THE CURRENT ZONING IS INDUSTRIAL LIGHT.

THEY ARE PROPOSAL LIGHT INDUSTRIAL WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

WHEN REVIEWING OUR ANNEXATIONS, WE LOOKED TO CHAPTER 1.71 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES.

AND THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS WHEN WE LOOK AND ANALYZE ANNEXATIONS AND THE FOUR ARE BEFORE YOU ON THIS SLIDE. ONE HAS TO BE CONTINUOUS, TO A MUNICIPALITY, REASONABLY COMPACT, THE PETITION MUST BEAR ALL OF THE SIGNATURES OF ALL OF THE OWNERS ON THAT APPLICATION. ADOPTING ORDINANCE FOR THE ANNEXATION MUST FOLLOW DUE PROCESS AND NOTICE. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, FOLLOWING THIS MEETING, WE WILL BE PREPARING THE ORDINANCE, REQUIRED TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND WITHIN 30 DAYS, FOLLOWING THAT WILL GO TO CITY COMMISSION. WHY IS IT GOING THE WRONG WAY?

>> I DIDN'T TOUCH IT. >> OKAY. START THIS OVER.

OKAY. ADDITIONAL STAFF ANALYSIS, WE ALSO HAVE TO IN ADDITION TO REVIEWING IT PURSUANT TO STATE STATUTE, STAFF ALSO REVIEWS IT BASED ON ITS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SPECIFICALLY POLICY 1.11.1 OF OUR CITY'S COMP PLAN, WHICH WE EVALUATE PROPOSED ANNEXATIONS WITHIN OUR URBAN SERVICE BOUNDARY, BASED ON THE FOLLOWING FOUR CRITERIA, ONE, THE ABILITY TO THE CITY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC SERVICES AT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD. TWO, THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC SERVICE AT OUR CITY'S ADOPTED LEVEL SERVICE. THREE, WHETHER THE ANNEXATION WILL ELIMINATE UNINCORPORATED ISLAND AND WHETHER THE ANNEXATION WOULD ELIMINATE IRREGULARITIES IN THE CITY'S BOUNDARY, PLANNING STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT ALL OF THESE ELEMENTS HAVE BEEN MET AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION, ALONG WITH THE CHANGE FROM THE COUNTY'S FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING DESIGNATION TO THE CITY'S. POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION OF THE PARCEL AT 2120 WITH THE CHANGES TO THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING OR DISAPPROVE THE ANNEXATION OF THIS PARCEL, WITH ALSO THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGES TO THE CITY. CAN I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE.

>> VERY RECENTLY, WITHIN THE LAST FOUR TO 6 MONTHS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG HERE, WE HAD DONE SOME WORK IN THAT PART OF THE CITY AND I'M GOING TO SAY REVERSE ANNEXATION, BECAUSE I THINK IT WENT TO ST. LUCIE PROPERTIES WENT TO ST. LUCIE VILLAGE FROM FORT PIERCE

>> I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY OF THAT, CHAIRMAN. >> OKAY.

>> I DO KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING SOME WORK THERE WHEN IT COMES TO THE NORTH BRIDGE, BUT I'M

NOT FAMILIAR. >> A LITTLE FURTHER NORTH OF THIS

>> JUST ADJACENT TO THIS PROPERTY ALONG THE WATERWAY IS WITHIN THE CITY AND THEN IT

DOES GO INTO THE VILLAGE. >> YEAH. OKAY.

FOR SOME REASON, I THOUGHT I EITHER READ SOMETHING ABOUT AN ANNEXATION BY ST. LUCIE VILLAGE

OF PROPERTY THAT WAS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. >> RIGHT ALONG THE EAST SIDE

>> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT FALLS IN THAT. OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS? OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

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LIKE TO ADD? IF YOU DO, STEP FORWARD. >> PLEASE STEP UP TO THE MIC

AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF. THIS WAY IT'S ON RECORD. >> MY NAME IS GREG NELSON AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF EAST COAST PACKERS, LLC, THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND ADDRESS IS 1900 OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY, FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. I WOULD CLARIFY, BECAUSE YOU HAD EXPRESSED CONCERN ABOUT NORTH AND ST. LUCIE VILLAGE. THE PROPERTY TO THE IMMEDIATE NORTH OF THIS, .4 ACRES THAT WE'RE ANNEXING IS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, HAS BEEN FOR 20 YEARS. THIS IS CLEANING UP A CLERICAL ERROR, I THINK ON OUR PART, NOT THE CITY'S PART, 20 YEARS AGO, WHEN WE ANNEXED THAT PROPERTY IN AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY, THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION SIMPLY LEFT OUT THIS .4 ACRES OF THE SOUTH SIDE OF OUR PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH IS ALREADY IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND HAS BEEN FOR A LONG

TIME. >> MAYBE I READ THAT SOME PLACE WHEN I WAS STUDYING ITSELF.

THAT COULD BE WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET STRAIGHT IN MY HEAD. >> YES.

BUT THIS IS ALL CONTIGUOUS TO EXISTING CITY OF FORT PIERCE PROPERTY, TO THE WEST AS WELL

AS TO THE NORTH. >> ARE YOU STILL USING THIS PACKING HOUSE?

>> WELL, WE'RE UTILIZING IT RIGHT NOW ON A LIMITED BASIS. WE WILL BE STORING SOME JUICE PRODUCT IN THE FACILITY. AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR OTHER USERS THAT WOULD BE JOB CREATORS IN THE FOOD OR FOOD RELATED PRODUCTS FOR THAT LOCATION.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> SO IT'S KIND OF JUST CLEANING IT UP.

IT SHOULD HAVE HAVE BEEN ANNEXED IN WITH THE OTHER PARCELS.

>> SOMETIMES THOSE LITTLE DETAILS COME BACK AND GET YOU LATER.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND STAFF HAS BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE ON THIS AND VERY PROFESSIONAL. SO WE APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. OKAY.

>> VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? NONE.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GLAD YOU CLARIFIED THAT.

>> HAPPY TO DO SO. >> VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER -- ANYONE ELSE HERE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANYONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

NOT SEEING ANY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BRODERICK, SECOND BY MR. BURGE.

SEE HOW THAT FLOWED THIS TIME. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> ROLL CALL.

[b. Zoning Atlas Map Amendment and Site Plan - Oleander Oaks - 2433-144-0002-000-3]

[c. Preliminary Plat - Oleander Oaks - 2433-144-0002-0003]

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 6B. ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT AND SITE PLAN, OLEANDER OAKSS.

2433-144-0002-000-3 IS THE IDENTIFICATION ON THE COUNTY MAP.

MS. HUFFMEISTER-DREW IS GOING TO PRESENT. BUT BEFORE YOU DO, ON PAGE 9 OF THE STAFF REPORT, I BELIEVE ALICIA HAS ALREADY CORRECTED THE ERROR THAT WAS ON HERE.

AND IT'S NOT A BIG ERROR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF IT SO IT'S IN THE RECORD.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE AND I GUESS THAT WAS JUST PICKED UP IN

PUTTING THE DOCUMENT TOGETHER >> WHAT WILL HAPPEN, CHAIRMAN, FOLLOWING THIS MEETING, STAFF REPORT WILL THEN PUT IN THE VOTE OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS AND THEN WE WILL KEEP THIS

STATEMENT BECAUSE IT MOVES ON TO CITY COMMISSION. >> CITY COMMISSION.

>> SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF IT HERE SO THAT IT'S IN THE RECORD AND WE ARE THE PLANNING

BOARD. VERY GOOD. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO BEFORE I BEGIN, CHAIRMAN, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS APPLICATION FOR OLEANDER OAKS DOES CONSIST ON A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO VOTE ON SEPARATELY, BUT I'M PRESENTING ALL OF THEM TOGETHER. IT WILL BE A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, A SITE PLAN WHICH CONSISTS OF DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW.

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I'M PRESENTING EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME. >> SO YOU'RE GOING TO PRESENT B

AND C TOGETHER? >> THIS PRESENTATION WILL HAVE EVERYTHING IN IT AS THE ITH OWNERSHIP AND LD WHATNOT.

THAT WILL ALSO -- YOU WILL SEE THAT PRELIMINARY PLOT AGAIN WHEN IT COMES IN FOR FINAL PLAT. OKAY. OKAY.

SO OLEANDER OAKS, CONSISTS OF ABOUT JUST UNDER 13 ACRES, AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CITY CODE, AS I HAD STATED EARLIER, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT TO PLANNED UR DEVELOPMENT AND OUR DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATIONS AND REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT. ALL OF THIS WILL ALLOW FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF THIS LAND, WHICH CONSISTS OF 12.92 ACRES, TO CONSTRUCT 50 UNITS, ALL OF WHICH WILL BE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS SHOWN BEFORE YOU. AND THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE PRPOSED TO THIS, AS IT IS CONSISTENT, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WHICH ALLOWS ANYWHERE FROM 6.5 DWELLING UNITS TO 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. ZONING CURRENTLY IS R-4, WHICH ALLOWS 10 TO 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, MAXIMUM. PROPOSED PD WILL BE RESTRICTING IT TO 3.47 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. WANTED TO JUST PROVIDE YOU WITH A COUPLE OF THEIR COLORED RENDERINGS, BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT REALLY SHOWS EASIER TO ALL OF US, WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE, IT'S DIFFICULT SOMETIMES READING THE BLACK AND WHITE SITE PLAN AT THIS SCALE. SO THIS IS THE 50-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DWELLING.

AND THE ENTRANCE FROM OLEANDER AVENUE. AND HERE IS THE COLOR SITE PLAN, WHICH ALSO SHOWS WHERE THE AMENITY AREA WILL BE. HERE ARE SOME RENDERINGS OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THREE BEDROOM, TWO BATH, WITH GARAGES.

SHOWN ABOVE IS THE SITE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE WHERE THERE WILL BE A ONE ACRE WETLAND.

ONE ACRE POND IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY. AND IN THAT AREA, THERE WILL BE AN AMENITY AREA, THAT WILL BE SHOWN ON THE PLAT. AND IT WILL INCLUDE A TOT LOT, GRILLING STATIONS AND SITTING AREAS FOR THE RESIDENTS. ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS A SCHOOL BUS STOP WHICH IS AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE COMMUNITY. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS SHOWN HERE. AGAIN, REFLECTS WHAT THE TREES WILL BE REMOVED, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A HEAVILY WOODED AREA, THAT WILL REQUIRE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED. AND THERE WILL BE THE TOTAL OF 490 TREES THAT WILL BE PLANTED.

NOW, THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION AND I'LL GET INTO IT WHEN WE SPEAK TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AS YOU ALL KNOW, A MITIGATION PLAN IS REQUIRED.

WHAT THAT MITIGATION PLAN WILL BE IS YET TO BE DETERMINED AND THAT HAS TO BE DONE AT BUILDING PERMIT. AS THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THAT NOT ONLY RELOCATE TREES ON-SITE TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY, BUT BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A HEAVILY WOODED AREA, THE ONLY WAY TO REDEVELOP IT IS TO REMOVE TREES TO DETERMINE IF THERE IS A SUITABLE LOCATION OF PUBLIC LANDS AND PARKS IN THE CITY. SO THAT WILL REQUIRE MORE OF A REVIEW WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND OUR TREE ARBORIST.

SPEAKING TO THE ZONING, CURRENTLY THE SITE HAS AN R-4 ZONING, WHICH PERMITS SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, DUPLEXES AND DESIRABLE TOWNHOUSE DEVELOPMENT, MOBILE HOMES OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WITH THREE OR MORE UNITS. THE MAXIMUM GROSS ACREAGE AS I INDICATED IS 10 UNITS UP TO 12. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PD, WHICH ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY IN A DESIGN AND PERMIT DIVERSIFICATION AND INTEGRATION OF USES AND STRUCTURES. WHICH ARE AT THE SAME TIME GRANTING THE CITY COMMISSION, THE FINAL 40. BECAUSE THAT WILL BE, ALTHOUGH SOME VARIATIONS, THE ULTIMATE DECISION COMES WITH RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU ALL AND FINAL APPROVAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THE TABLE ABOVE SHOWS WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AND THE

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SO THE HOMES WILL BE CLOSER TO THE ROAD. THE SIDE INTERIOR IS REQUIRED TO BE SIX. APPLICANT IS PROVIDING TEN FOR BOTH THE SIDE INTERIOR AND CORNER. THE REAR, THE R-4 REQUIRES FIVE FEET AND THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING 15 FEET. SO THE FRONT YARD THAT HOUSES ARE CLOSER TO THE STREET, BUT THAT ALLOWS FOR A LARGER BACKYARD. HERE IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT EQUIREMENTS BASE UPON OUR CODE, CHAPTER 121.

THE CITY SHALL CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING WHEN IT REVIEWS FOR PRELIMINARY PLATS, ONE, IF THERE IS ADEQUATE VEHICULAR ACCESS AND TRAFFIC CIRCULATION IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE EACH OF THE OTHER WITHIN THE SUBDIVISION. LEVEL OF SERVICE IN THE COMP PLAN ARE NOT ADVERSELY IMPACTED. AND OTHER APPLICABLE COMP PLAN POLICIES ARE ADDRESSED IN THE PROPOSED PLAT. AS PART OF THE FINAL PLAT REVIEW, PRIOR TO THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ALONG WITH OUR, WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT, NORTH STAR GEOMATICS, REVIEWED AND DETERMINED THAT THESE THREE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET AND SATISFIED. BASED UPON OUR STAFF LEVEL REVIEW OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE BELIEVE THAT IT HAS BEEN MET AND WE RECOMMEND TO THE BOARD TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. WITH REGARD TO THE ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT AND SITE PLAN, IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT I HAVE PRESENTED AND SENT OUT TO YOU ALL, CONDITION ONE WAS OUR STANDARD MITIGATION PLAN REQUIREMENT. AFTER TALKING TO THE APPLICANT FURTHER, THERE WERE SOME EXCHANGES OF CONVERSATION WITH BRANNON WHO WAS THE ORIGINAL PLANNER ON THE PROPERTY, INDICATING THE NEED FOR TREE MITIGATION, BECAUSE THE COST IS OVER $700,000. SO WE ARE WILLING TO OF COURSE, WORK WITH THE APPLICANT BECAUSE WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SINGLE FAMILY, BRAND NEW SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.

AND IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. SO THAT FIRST CONDITION HAS BEEN MODIFIED TO REFLECT THAT WE WILL WORK TOGETHER ON A TREE PROTECTION MITIGATION PLAN AND THAT FINAL PLAN WILL BE APPROVED. STANDARD LANDSCAPE BOND REQUIREMENT IS THERE.

TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS ALSO CONCEPTUAL, PRELIMINARY, THOSE PLANS ARE NOT REQUIRED UNTIL BUILDING PERMIT ALSO. AND THEN LASTLY, PD DOES NOT IS NOT CONSTRUCTED WITHIN TWO YEARS, BEGUN WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT, NO BUILDING PERMIT ISSUE, THEN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE ZONING DESIGNATION REVERT BACK TO THE R-4 AND WE WILL BE MAKING THIS A STANDARD CONDITION OF OUR PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE OFTEN PROJECTS THAT DO NOT, NOT OFTEN, WHEN PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, WHEN THEY EXCEED THAT TWO-YEAR PERIOD AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED, THAT PD EXPIRES AND THEN THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS IN PLACE. IT'S AS IF IT HAS NO ZONING. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU ALL RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION, WITH OUR STANDARD FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, CHAPTER 121, BE OBTAINED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A FINAL CERTIFICATE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE. WITH REGARD TO THE REMAINING APPLICATIONS, WE RECOMMEND THAT THIS BOARD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT, APPROVE THE SITE PLAN WITH CONDITIONS, AS REVISED. AND APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE ONE CONDITION. ALTERNATIVE ACTIONS WOULD BE TO DISAPPROVE, TO APPROVE WITH

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>> I'M GOING TO ASK JACK TO COME UP AND SIT AT THE TABLE, PLEASE.

BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS PROJECT THAT YOU MAY BE IN A BETTER POSITION TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER. IF YOU'RE NOT, I'M GOING TO PUT YOU ON THE HOT SEAT ANYWAY. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. YOUR STAFF REPORT SAYS THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN UPDATED SITE PLAN WITH FLOOD ZONE BOUNDARIES. IS THAT AVAILABLE YET?

>> CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER, NO, THAT HAS NOT. THAT WILL BE DONE AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PERMIT. THE SITE PLAN, WHEN IT ACTUALLY ONE, WHEN IT COMES TO DRAINAGE, REVIEWED BY SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS HERE, HE IS A CIVIL ENGINEER. HE CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. THAT IS NOT REQUIRED AT THIS

TIME. >> THERE IS NO WAY OF US TAKING A LOOK AND SEEING THE FLOOD DESIGNATIONS VIS-A-VIS, THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE DEVELOPMENT?

>> WELL, ALL OF THE -- THIS IS A TYPICAL PROCESS WHEN IT COMES TO SITE PLANNING.

WHEN YOU GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF DRAINAGE AND ANY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, THAT IS DONE WITH THE CONSTRUCTION READY DRAWINGS. NOT WITH THE SITE PLAN.

SO THIS PROCESS WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL BY ALL REGULATORY AGENCIES, AS ANY ARE.

THE FLOODPLAIN, I THINK THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ONES. THEY ARE SHOWN.

AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO EXPLAIN THE ENGINEERING OF IT IN GREATER

DETAIL. >> I SAW THE PLANS FOR THE ROAD AND IT SHOWED THE ELEVATIONS.

I'M JUST WONDERING WOULD THERE BE PLANS TO HAVE DIFFERENT ELEVATIONS OF THE DIFFERENT

HOUSES, DEPENDING ON WHICH FLOODPLAIN THEY ARE ON? >> IT MAY BE POSSIBLE, BUT THAT

IS AN ENGINEERING QUESTION. AND I WOULD -- >> BOTTOM LINE ON THIS, THOUGH,

IS THAT THIS BOARD NEVER GETS INVOLVED IN THAT PHASE. >> YOU ARE CORRECT.

>> THAT PHASE IS ENGINEERING, CITY LEVEL, PERMITTING WITH THE CITY AND WORKING WITH SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT HAS THE FULL AUTHORITY OVER LEVELS NEEDED IN REGARD TO FLOODPLAIN. SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THIS BOARD TRADITIONALLY WOULD EVER

HAVE PURVIEW OVER. >> CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY EXPAND ON THAT ALSO, AS THIS ALSO AN APPLICATION FOR ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT, A CONCURRENCY REVIEW IS REQUIRED.

AND THAT IS WHY THAT INFORMATION IS IN THERE. IF THIS SITE HAD NOT REQUIRED THAT, ALL OF THAT DATA WOULD NOT BE PART OF THIS APPLICATION. IT WOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD TO THE CONSTRUCTION READY DRAWINGS. AND THEY WOULD HANDLE IT

WITHOUT US EVEN KNOWING THE DEPTH OF THAT REVIEW. >> IN A FEW MOMENTS, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT. BUT I THINK WE'VE CONDUCTED THE

DISCUSSION WHERE WE NEED TO CARRY IT. >> I'M SURE THE CHAIR WOULD NOT WANT TO LIMIT ANY QUESTIONS BY BOARD MEMBERS TO STAFF, IN REGARDS TO INQUIRIES THAT THE BOARD MEMBER MIGHT WANT TO HAVE. I WOULD HATE TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE A QUESTION COULD NOT BE ASKED SIMPLY FOR THE FACT OF WELL, WE'RE NOT SURE THAT IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE BOARD. BUT IT IS IN THE PURVIEW OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY ITSELF. AND I SOLELY SUPPORT MS. BAKER AND HER ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS.

IF THE CHAIR WANTS TO OVERRULE HER AND CALL HER OUT OF ORDER, THAT WOULD BE THE CHAIR'S DISTINCTION TO DO THAT. BUT THE CHAIR MAY BE APPEALED FOR HIS DECISION ALSO.

SO I NEED TO PUT HIM ON NOTICE OF THAT TOO. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS, WHEN THEY FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THEM TO ASK THAT

QUESTION. >> I'LL RESPOND TO THE GENTLEMAN IN THIS WAY, I DIDN'T PREVENT MS. BAKER FROM ASKING HER QUESTION. I JUST SIMPLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE QUESTION WAS ASKED AND THAT IT IS NOT IN PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD TO MAKE DECISIONS ON ELEMENTS OF GROUND LEVELS IN REGARD TO SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT.

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>> I'LL ASK MY QUESTIONS THAT ARE EITHER RELEVANT OR IRRELEVANT.

THE RESPONSE TO KIMBERLY HORN, REGARDING MAILBOXES. IT APPEARS THAT THE DEVELOPER IS SUGGESTING THAT EACH RESIDENT WILL HAVE A MAILBOX IN FRONT OF THEIR PARTICULAR PROPERTY. I'VE NOTED THAT ON CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS, WHILE THAT STARTED OUT THAT WAY, THE POSTAL SYSTEM WILL ALTER THAT AND SUGGEST THAT THERE BE A CENTRAL LOCATION FOR MAIL DISTRIBUTION. HAS STAFF INVESTIGATED THAT PARTICULAR PART ON WHERE CENTRAL LOCATED MAILBOXES MIGHT BE FOR THIS PARTICULAR

DEVELOPMENT? >> CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER, NO, WE HAVE NOT.

THE WAY THAT THIS SITE IS DESIGNED RIGHT NOW, SINGLE FAMILY, TRADITIONAL.

THE MOST SUITED LOCATION WOULD BE IN FRONT OF THE YARD. THERE IS -- THE ONLY COMMUNITY SPACE RIGHT NOW IS ALONG THE POND AREA. THEY DON'T HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS MORE SUITABLE. BUT WE DID NOT DISCUSS THIS. BUT AGAIN, YOU CAN DEFER TO, I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT TO RESPOND TO THAT. IF THAT ISSUE HAD COME UP.

>> I CAN TESTIFY THAT THAT IS HAPPENING IN CERTAIN AREAS, THAT HAVE ALREADY, DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE RIGHT NOW, THAT THE POSTAL SYSTEM IS DEFERRING THE ASPECT OF MAILBOXES, IT STARTED OUT AS MAILBOXES IN FRONT OF EVERY UNIT, AND NOW THE POSTAL SYSTEM, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CENTRAL COLLECTION AREA. I NEEDED THAT TO UNDERSTAND.

THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS WAS THE ASPECT OF THE BUS STOP, WHICH THEY'RE SUGGESTING ALONG OLEANDER AVENUE, IF THAT IS WHAT THE SCHOOL BOARD WISHES TO DO IT'S FINE. A QUESTION TO THEM SPECIFICALLY WAS WHETHER OR NOT A STRUCTURE WOULD BE DEVELOPED SO THAT THE CHILDREN COULD WAIT OUT OF THE WEATHER.

HERE AGAIN, I FIND THAT IN CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS THAT DON'T HAVE STRUCTURES, THE CHILDREN ARE JUST LOLLY-GAGGING AROUND AND NO PLACE TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM THE WEATHER.

EVEN THOUGH THE DEVELOPER IS SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONCRETE SLAB, BUT YOU KNOW, TO SOME DEGREE THE OLD BUS STOP, WITH THE POLE BARN OR WHATEVER ELSE ABOVE IT, MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL. BECAUSE THE OTHER ASPECT OF CHILDREN ARE PICKED UP AT DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, THE MORNING, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PICKED UP, HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN PICKED UP. MIDDLE SCHOOL CHILDREN PICKED UP.

THREE DIFFERENT TIME PERIODS. THEY WILL ALSO BE BROUGHT BACK AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME.

WHAT I FOUND OUT IN DEVELOPMENTS WHERE THEY HAVE SHELTERS, CHILDREN GET OFF THE BUS, IF IT'S RAINING, THEY HAVE NO PLACE TO GO TO. THE OTHER THING IS ALSO THE PARENTS ARE WAITING THERE IN SOME CASES, IN THEIR CARS WAITING FOR THEM.

WHAT AREA -- IT COULD BE ALONG OLEANDER AVENUE, BUT WHERE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF MIGHT THERE BE PARKING TO ALLOW THE PARENTS TO PICK UP THEIR CHILDREN WHEN THEY GET OFF THE BUS. FOR SAFETY. THE OTHER PART, IS FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE. THE WELFARE OF THE CHILDREN AS FAR AS THE SHELTER IS CONCERNED. I KNOW MAYBE THE DEVELOPER OR THE REPRESENTATIVE MIGHT DISCUSS THAT AS HE COMES UP AND TALKS TO US. THANK YOU.

>> CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST TIME TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

FOLLOWING A REVIEW OF THIS SITE PLAN, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT AND MR. SANDERS ACTUALLY PROVIDED ME WITH A DESIGN OF A GATED COMMUNITY, WHERE THEY COULD PUT, YOU KNOW, A BUS SHELTER FOR KIDS. BEING THAT OLEANDER HAS HAD YOU KNOW, RECENTLY A VERY TERRIBLE ACCIDENT, THERE IS -- THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS IDENTIFIED OLEANDER AS A ROADWAY THAT IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF SIDEWALKS. MR. SANDERS, YOU COULD OPINE ON

THAT. >> ST. LUCIE COUNTY IS WORKING ON SIDEWALKS MIDWAY FROM SOUTH FARMER'S MARKET ROAD. THEY HAVE COMPLETED A DESIGN AND WORKING ON GRANTS TO FULFILL SIDEWALK NEEDS ON OLE OLEANDER.

NORTH OF THAT, WHICH YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT FALLS WITHIN THAT SEGMENT, NORTH OF THAT FROM SOUTH FARMER'S MARKET ROAD TO EDWARDS, THEY HAVE PROGRAMMED IN THEIR CAPITAL WORKS PROGRAM, 2024, A SIDEWALK IN THAT SEGMENT. SO YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY HAS GOT PLANS. SO YOU KNOW, WITHIN RELATIVELY SHORT ORDER FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.

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CERTAINLY THERE IS A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE IS, IF WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS, IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO GET OFF OF THE ARTERIAL, GO INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, PICK UP STUDENTS AND NOT STOP TRAFFIC. LIKEWISE, IT PROVIDES A SAFER PLACE FOR STUDENTS TO WAIT. AND WE SUGGESTED THAT, A LOT OF TIMES, ESPECIALLY IN A GATED COMMUNITY, THIS ONE IS NOT GATED, BUT WITH A GATED COMMUNITY, A LOT OF TIMES WE WILL PICK UP JUST, WE'LL DO A TURN-OUT AND PICK UP JUST OUTSIDE THE GATE, GET OFF OF THE ARTERIAL. I BELIEVE WE COULD DO THAT HERE.

WE WOULD PREFER NOT TO GO WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BECAUSE IT'S 50-FOOT RIGHT-OF-WAY, NARROWER STREETS. PRIVATE STREETS. BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE DESIGNERS TO LOOK AT OPTIONS FOR THAT. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, A PREFERRED OPTION. EITHER WAY, I THINK AS LONG AS WE COME UP WITH A SAFE PLACE

FOR STUDENTS TO WAIT AND STAND, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IT >> THERE IS WORK GOING ON ALONG OLEANDER ON THE EAST SIDE, I BELIEVE THAT IS IN PREPARATION OF THE SIDEWALK YOU'RE REFERRING TO. THE SIDEWALK DESIGN PRESENTLY IS ONLY FOR THE EAST SIDE OF

OLEANDER, IS IT NOT? >> I DON'T REMEMBER. >> CAN YOU ANSWER THAT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, CHAIRMAN. ON THE EAST SIDE. >> NOW YOU HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE CONVERSATION OF THIS BUS STOP AND TURN-OUT AND I THINK THE COUNTY IS REQUESTS TURN LANES ON OLEANDER, IN FRONT OF THIS. I'M GOING TO ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME UP. THERE IS NOBODY ELSE HERE. SO I'M GOING TO BRING YOU UP INTO THE CONVERSATION. BECAUSE I KNEW WE WERE GOING TO HEAD INTO THIS CONVERSATION.

>> RIGHT NOW THE APPLICATION IS FOR A GATED COMMUNITY, BUT THERE IS DISCUSSION ALSO IF

THAT IS A FINAL YOU KNOW, STATEMENT. >> I'M NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE GATE AS I AM ABOUT THIS BUS STOP. AND THE TURN LANES AND THE SIDEWALK GOING IN ON THE EAST SIDE, AND NOT ON THE WEST SIDE. THE COMMUNITY IS ON THE WEST SIDE. WE'RE DEALING WITH A VERY NARROW ROAD, WHICH DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF RIGHT-OF-WAY OR SETBACK ON EITHER SIDE.

SO I'M INTERESTED TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW ALL OF THIS IS GOING TO COME TOGETHER.

AND MS. BAKER HAS ANOTHER QUESTION TOO. >> CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THE PRESENTATION THE ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT, BUT NOT COVERED THE SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW AT ALL. IN FACT, MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHICH YOU FELT WAS INAPPROPRIATE, WAS ON PAGE 6 OF THE STAFF REPORT, REFERRING TO THE FLOOD HAZARD ZONES. NOW, MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK, PAGE FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT, THE REST OF THE STAFF REPORT WAS NEVER PRESENTED.

SO IF I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IT, NOBODY IS GOING TO KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT OTHER THAN HAVING READ THE FULL STAFF REPORT. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS,

ARE YOU PLANNING ON PRESENTING THE REST OF THE STAFF REPORT? >> CHAIR, BOARD MEMBER BAKER, THE REASON WHY THAT INFORMATION IS IN THE STAFF REPORT IS THAT IS THE CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS.

THE SITE PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW IS THE LAY-OUT OF THE SITE PLAN.

THAT IS WHAT WAS PRESENTED ON ONE OF MY SLIDES, INDICATING THAT ALL OF THESE UNITS, THE SIZE, SETBACKS, THAT IS ALL PART OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. THE HEIGHT LIMITATIONS, TOT LOT IS GOING TO BE, WHERE THE WETLAND IS. THAT IS THE SITE PLAN.

>> YOU'RE SAYING PAGE 4, WHICH I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTIO ABOUT, WHICH REFERRED TO THE FACT THAT VACATION RENTALS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO PUT SWIMMING POOLS IN OR ANY STORAGE UNITS IN THEIR OWN PROPERTY.

THESE ARE -- I WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT SINCE YOU HAVEN'T PRESENTED

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WAS REFERRING TO. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. AS PART OF THIS OVERVIEW OR PRESENTATION OF THIS ITEM, PART OF THIS IS THE AGENDA ITEM ITSELF.

AND THAT HAS BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. IT IS AN AGENDA ITEM.

THIS REVIEW THAT I HAD IN-DEPTH IN THIS REPORT, WHICH IS NOT TYPICAL, I'M ACTUALLY WRITING IT NOW, I PROVIDED THE CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS, THAT IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO CHANGE THE ZONING. NOT ALL OF MY STAFF DOES PUT THAT IN.

MY TRAINING, I PUT IT IN. IT IS AN ANALYSIS OF OUR CONCURRENCY MEETING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD, FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS, TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, PUBLIC SCHOOLS, PARKS, IT'S ALL IN THERE. THIS PROJECT IS GOING FROM A DENSITY POTENTIAL OF 10 TO 12 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. AND THEY'RE PROPOSING LESS THAN FOUR.

SO THE ANALYSIS IS LESS IMPACT ON THIS AREA. IF THEY HAD BUILT OUT TO ITS MAXIMUM POTENTIAL. WHAT I AM PRESENTING NOW WOULD TAKE A VERY LONG TIME, THE INFORMATION IS THERE, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. BUT AGAIN, THAT IS PART OF THE CONCURRENCY ANALYSIS. IT'S NOT PART OF THE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS THE LAY-OUT OF THE PROJECT. AND HOW ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUAL, 50 INDIVIDUAL LOTS

WILL BE LAID OUT ON THE SITE. >> I WILL ADDRESS THE REST OF MY QUESTIONS TO THE GENTLEMAN

THERE. >> MR. CHAIR, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

FIRST OFF, I THINK THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS WELL-SUITED FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA, IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT THIS BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION HAS RECENTLY APPROVED SEVERAL MILLION SQUARE FEET OF INDUSTRIAL USES USE TO THE WEST, BIG SURF PARK, HOUSING IS GOING TO BE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IN THE AFFORDABILITY RANGE THAT PEOPLE WORKING IN THOSE FACILITIES ARE GOING TO BE SEEKING. I THINK THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A STRONG MARKET FOR THE PRODUCT THEY'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING ONLINE.

I DO SHARE MR. BURGE'S CONCERN, RELATIVE TO, IN MY OPINION, THIS IS GOING TO BE A YOUNG FAMILY TYPE DEVELOPMENT, AT LEAST THAT IS WHAT I'M SPECULATING.

AND THAT PROTECTION FOR THE KIDS AS FAR AS PROPER BUS STOP THAT IS COVERED AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE I BELIEVE IS INTEGRAL TO MY APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT FROM R-4 TO PD, EXACTLY THE REASONS YOU OUTLINED. NO PROBLEM WITH THE APPROVAL OF PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH CONDITIONS, HOWEVER, THIS SITE PLAN NEEDS TO ADDRESS THAT NEED.

SO THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO PLAY LET'S MAKE A DEAL RIGHT NOW AND GET THAT RESOLVED.

OR IT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION THAT THIS THING WOULD BE MOVED TO THE NEXT MEETING, UNTIL A RESOLUTION CAN BE REACHED ON THAT POINT. POTENTIALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF KIDS THERE. WE ALL KNOW WHAT OLEANDER AVENUE IS LIKE, HEAVILY TRAFFICKED AT HIGH RATES OF SPEED. THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ACCOMMODATION TO KEEP THE KIDS IN MIND. SO THAT IS KIND OF WHERE I

STAND ON THIS. >> HOT BUTTON CONSIDERING THE UNFORTUNATE, MOST RECENT

>> I DO BELIEVE THAT SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT AND MR. SANDERS HERE WITH REGARD TO THIS, THAT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WHERE THAT LOCATION IS SUITABLE. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT COMMUNICATION, WHETHER WE WANT TO MAKE IT A CONDITION OF THIS APPROVAL TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT YOU KNOW

>> MARTY, WHAT WOULD YOU BE LOOKING FOR HERE? WHAT IS YOUR BEST CASE SCENARIO

BASED ON THE PARTICULARS OF THIS APPLICATION? >> WE HAVE THE GATED COMMUNITIES, WE HAVE A TURN-AROUND BEFORE THE GATE, YOU GO THERE, YOU CAN'T GET IN, WE LIKE TO SEE TURNING RADIUSES LARGE ENOUGH FOR A SCHOOL BUS TO GO IN THERE, AND TURN AROUND

BEFORE THE GATE, AND THEN BACK OUT ON TO OLEANDER. >> ARE THEY PROVIDING THAT WITH

THIS APPLICATION? >> NO. THEY'RE NOT. IT WOULD BE LARGER TURNING RADIUSES IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT WORK. TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, JUST A SIDEWALK GOING AROUND THAT GATED, THAT ENTRY AREA, TO GIVE STUDENTS A PLACE TO LOAD AND UNLOAD AND WAIT. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT LARGE OF A DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH PARENTS CAN SURPRISE YOU, THAT THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY DRIVE TO THE FRONT ENTRANCE TO WAIT FOR THE SCHOOL BUS, IT COULD BE A WALK.

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>> MARTY, YOU'VE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE APPLICANT AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AND THEY'RE INDICATING THAT THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO PROVIDE THAT?

>> I BELIEVE THEY WERE SILENT ON THE RESPONSE. I DID NOT SEE A RESPONSE.

>> TEASE IT UP FOR YOU. >> IF YOU WOULD, NAME, ADDRESS. >> HI, EVERYONE.

THANKS FOR HAVING ME. MY NAME IS BLAINE,WITH KIMBERLY HORN, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. I WROTE DOWN SOME NOTES WHILE YOU GUYS WERE SPEAKING.

I FIGURED I WOULD START FROM MY LEFT AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT ALL, IF IT WORKS FOR

EVERYONE. >> FINE. >> PERFECT.

SO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, MS. BAKER ABOUT THE FLOOD ZONE QUESTION, THERE ARE TRADITIONAL FLOOD ZONES ON THE PROPERTY. THE ONE FLOOD ZONE, AE IS WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING WETLAND.

SO THERE IS A ONE ACRE WETLAND ATTACHED TO A CANAL THAT RUNS ALONG OUR NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. SO WE'RE PROPOSING NOT TO TOUCH ANYTHING IN THAT AREA AND LEAVE IT AS IS. IF YOU LOOK ON OUR SITE PLAN, THERE IS A DASHED LINE.

BASICALLY THE FLOOD ZONE LINE FOR AE. EVERYTHING ELSE ON OUR SITE IS OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD ZONE. SO WE WON'T BE IMPACTING ANY AREA IN THE FLOOD ZONE, AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, WITH OTHER OUTSIDE PERMITS, WE WILL BE BUILDING AT LEAST A FOOT ABOVE

THE EXISTING FLOOD ZONE ELEVATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> YEAH. THE NEXT QUESTION YOU HAD ABOUT THE MAILBOXES, TYPICALLY, I DO A LOT OF MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. THAT IS WHERE I TEND TO SEE MORE OF THE CENTRALIZED MAILBOXES. ON SINGLE FAMILY, WE TYPICALLY SEE THEM AT EACH HOME. THAT IS FOR TWO REASONS, ONE, IT'S EASIER FOR RESIDENTS.

WHEN I DO IT AT A MULTIFAMILY ONE, THERE IS A DRIVE-UP, YOU CAN GO AND GET YOUR MAIL.

50 HOLES, IT'S LOOPED. IT'S MUCH EASIER TO HAVE IT RIGHT THERE.

WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE, I COULD SAY STILL USE PAPER DELIVERY A LITTLE BIT.

WE SEE A MAILBOX FOR THE PAPER DELIVERY AS WELL AT THE PEOPLE'S HOMES.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE TEND TO LIKE JUST FOR THE EASE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE.

TOUCH OPEN THE BUS STOP. WE DID RECEIVE COMMENTS DURING OUR REVIEW ABOUT A PROPOSED BUS STOP. MR. SANDERS DID SEND US SOME DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, SOME THAT MY OFFICE HAS WORKED ON IN, IN TRADITION.

A LOT OF THOSE EXAMPLES HAVE LARGE ROUND-ABOUTS. KIND OF ONE OF THE ISSUES WE WERE DEALING WITH, THERE IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT I BELIEVE THE COUNTY OWNS, BUT THERE IS ALSO A CANAL THAT IS ON THE FRONT OF OUR SITE. SO WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE THE ROOM TO MAKE A LARGE ROUND-ABOUT FOR THE BUS TO TURN AROUND WITH.

SO KIND OF OUR SOLUTION WAS IF YOU LOOK ON OUR SITE PLAN, ON THE ENTRANCE COMING IN, WE PUT AN EXTRA 12-FOOT LANE BUMP-OUT. OUR GOAL WAS THAT THE BUS COULD USE THAT BUMP-OUT AS THE TURNING MOTION, TO MAKE A TURN BEFORE GETTING TO THE GATE. AND THEN WE PROVIDED A CONCRETE PAD PICK-UP AREA FOR THE STUDENTS AS PART OF THAT. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSON ABOUT A SHELTER AND WE WOULD GLADLY BE OKAY WITH PUTTING IN A SHELTER FOR YOU KNOW, WEATHER THAT YOU TYPICALLY SEE AT, THE GO LINE SYSTEM. BUT IT WASN'T THAT WE WERE IGNORING THE COMMENT. WE WERE TRYING TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT FIT WITH THE EXISTING PARAMETERS. OF HAVING A BUMP-OUT. TO MAKE THE TURN-AROUND AND

PICK UP THE STUDENTS ON OUR EXIT. >> DO YOU THINK THAT IS WIDE

ENOUGH? >> 75-FOOT DIAMETER. >> I LOOKED AT THIS DRAWING

CLOSELY. >> TYPICALLY WHAT THE DESIGN ENGINEER WILL DO, TURN ANALYSIS TO SHOW THAT A BUS WORKS. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS SINCE THIS IS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY'S RIGHT-OF-WAY, WE'RE GETTING A DRIVE-WAY WORK.

WE'RE GLADLY WILLING TO WORK WITH HIM AND HAVE HIM LOOK AT IT BEFORE WE CAN GET OUR ST.

LUCIE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> THE EDGE OF THE BLACK TOP TO WHERE IT'S NOT A DEEP CANAL, THEY ARE A SHALLOW CANAL. RIGHT ACROSS THE FRONTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY.

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IF I'M INCORRECT IN WHAT I'M SAYING THERE, JACK, STOP ME. THAT IS WHY I ASKED YOU TO COME UP TO THE SEAT. BECAUSE I KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO BE A BIG TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AFTER STUDYING THE PACKAGE. IT NEEDS WORK. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, MY VIEW OF IT, IT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. FROM HEARING WHAT I'M HEARING, QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS OF THE

BOARD, IT'S GOING TO NEED A LOT OF WORK. >> MR. CHAIR, I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD HERE. I DON'T THINK THIS IS A FINISHED PRODUCT YET.

AND LIKE I SAID, THE TWO STIPULATION, REGARDING THE STOP OF THE KIDS AND THE TURNING RADIUS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DEFINITIVELY LAID OUT PRIOR TO APPROVING IT.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PD SCENARIO AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD TO US.

BUT THESE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH JUST SAYING WELL, IT'S GOING TO WORK ITSELF OUT BETWEEN THE DEPARTMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE

RESOLUTION TO THIS IS. >> WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT, MARTY?

>> I AGREE 100 PERCENT. IT'S A SITE PLAN ISSUE. IT'S NOT A DETAIL DESIGN ISSUE.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO STUDENTS WHILE IT HAS TO BE WORKED OUT AT A DETAIL DESIGN? THAT FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE OF HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SERVICE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED WITH THE SITE PLAN, ESPECIALLY WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

>> PERFECT WORLD, IF THIS WERE TO BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO GET IN WITH MARTY AND COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION THAT IS GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE. I WOULD REALLY FEEL MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE MARTY, IF YOU WERE GIVING SOME TYPE OF A BLESSING HERE.

I AM NOT HEARING THAT. I THINK IT'S A QUESTION. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, MORE THAN

ANYTHING ELSE, IS MY CONCERN. >> WHAT IS THE PROXIMITY OF YOUR PRESENT DESIGN OF THE EXIT AND ENTRANCE INTO YOUR DEVELOPMENT IN REGARD TO EGRESS AND INGRESS ALONG OLEANDER AVENUE TO THE EAST SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT? AND THE DISTANCE BETWEEN A STREET GOING IN TO THE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU, OR THIS IS RIGHT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I DID NOT GO OUT THERE WITH A TAPE MEASURE TO PULL A TAPE, BUT IT'S CLOSE TO THE CHAMP'S STRIP CENTER, THAT SHOULD JUST BE NORTH OF YOU I THINK.

THERE IS A SMALL DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU THAT HAS GOT A STREET THAT COMES OUT ON TO OLEANDER AVENUE. I THINK THERE IS CHILDREN BEING PICKED UP RIGHT THERE TOO.

IT SEEMS TO ME THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY RIGHT NEAR YOUR ENTRANCE AND EXIT.

WHICH COMPOUNDS SOME OF THESE ISSUES BEING DISCUSSED. >> RIGHT.

CLARIFY, ARE YOU ASKING THE DISTANCE FROM OUR DRIVEWAY TO OTHER EXISTING DRIVEWAYS AROUND

US? >> ROUGHLY. I MEAN, AM I RIGHT THAT THEY'RE

RELATIVELY CLOSE THERE? >> I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT THE WEST SIDE OF OLEANDER, BECAUSE I HAVE IT ON MY PLAN. BUT I MEAN, WE'RE WELL WITHIN HUNDREDS OF FEET BETWEEN ANY EXISTING DRIVEWAY ON EITHER SIDE OF US ON THE WESTERN SIDE. I KNOW THAT ITEM WAS LOOKED AT BECAUSE WE HAD TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC REPORT TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND GET IT APPROVED BEFORE WE COULD COME IN FRONT OF YOU AND THAT ITEM WAS DISCUSSED WHEN THEY LOOKED AT

THE TRAFFIC. >> DO WE KNOW THE DIRECTION OF THE BUS TRAVEL ON OLEANDER

AVENUE THAT WOULD BE STOPPING HERE? >> IT WOULD DEPEND UPON WHICH SCHOOL THEY WERE GOING TO, MORNING OR AFTERNOON. YOU KNOW, THEY WILL BE GOING

BOTH WAYS. >> EVEN IN THE WAY THAT THIS LAY-OUT IS, EVEN IF YOU CORRECTED THE ISSUE OF A BUS STOP HERE WITH A PULL-OUT OF SOME KIND

>> WHAT WE WOULD DO IF WE HAD THAT SITUATION, WE WOULD ROUTE THE BUSES SO THEY WOULD SERVICE

IT FROM THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. >> BACK AROUND SO THAT THEY WOULD BE GOING SOUTH RATHER

THAN NORTH. >> CORRECT. >> YEAH.

I HAVE A COMMENT, WHICH STREET IS THAT BEHIND? I CAN'T SEE.

BASED OFF THIS. >> TO THE WEST? >> IS THAT THE WEST?

>> THERE IS NO STREET BACK THERE. >> OH, OKAY.

I JUST SEE AN AVENUE. >> RIGHT-OF-WAY PROBABLY. >> WHO KNOWS WHAT IT'S FOR, SETBACK FOR THE FENCE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE PERHAPS. THERE IS NO STREET BACK THERE.

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SUNRISE. THE NEXT ROAD OVER, SUNRISE >> I THINK THERE IS AN ACCESS

THAT GOES NORTH THAT KIND OF GETS UP IN BEHIND THERE. >> ARE THERE QUESTIONS OTHER

THAN THIS? >> LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MOVE ON TO A QUESTION THAT WE CAN ANSWER AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND BEAT THIS AGAIN A LITTLE BIT.

>> TUMBLING KLING, CLARIFICATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD CATCH. >> I HAVE A QUESTION THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT WAS REFERRING TO YOUR RESTRICTIONS ON THE HOMEOWNERS NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE A POOL, NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE VACATION RENTALS. I ASSUME THAT THIS IS ALL GOING TO BE A FUNCTION OF THE

HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION RATHER THAN A DEED RESTRICTION? >> YES.

THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, ONCE THE PROPERTY IS COMPLETELY SOLD OUT, GETS TURNED OVER TO THE RESIDENTS WHO CAN EASILY CHANGE ANY

RESTRICTIONS, AM I CORRECT? >> OH, YES. THEY COULD GO INTO AN AMENDMENT

OF THE HOMEOWNER DOCUMENTS ANY TIME THEY CHOOSE. >> I'LL MAKE A COMMENT BECAUSE I SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING. SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, AND STAFF CAN CORRECT ME ON THIS, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT PD DOCUMENTS THAT GET APPROVED WITH THE ZONING, SAY FOR INSTANCE IN OUR DOCUMENTS IT SAYS NO VACATION RENTALS, NO SHEDS, AND SOMEONE GOES TO PULL A SHED PERMIT IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THAT TYPICALLY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR STAFF WOULD REVIEW THE PERMIT APPLICATION AND SEE IN OUR PD DOCUMENTS THAT ARE I BELIEVE RECORDED

WITH THE CITY, THAT NO SHEDS ARE ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY. >> SO IT WOULD BE A DEED

RESTRICTION? >> IF I MAY. >> GO AHEAD.

>> WE HAVE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT THESE. I HAVE ACTUALLY EVEN HAD CONVERSATION, TAKING OVER THIS PROJECT WITH THE OWNER OF IT. WHEN IT COMES TO -- THERE WILL BE AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED AND HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY OUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS JUST TONYA RIGHT NOW, IT WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, THE SETBACKS THAT ARE PROPOSING THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE R-4, IT GOES INTO THAT ORDINANCE. THEY HAVE INDICATED THESE RESTRICTIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ON TO THE HOMEOWNERS. AND I HAVE ASKED ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE I FEEL IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THAT, LIKE SAY THE HOMEOWNERS WANTS, THEY CAN DO A TINY POOL OR SOMETHING, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.

MINOR OR MAJOR. PROBABLY MORE LIKELY A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE PD.

NO. IT WOULD BE A MAJOR. SO YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS.

BUT AT THIS MOMENT, THAT WAS RELAYED TO THEM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THEIR PROPERTY. BUT AGAIN, THAT GOES IN TO THE ORDINANCE, BUT ALSO SITES THESE

PD REGULATIONS. >> SO I'M PRESUMING THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, IN YOUR LEARLY INDICATED TO THE POTENTIAL BUYERS?

>> YES. THAT IS ACCURATE. >> MAY I ASK, IN WHAT GENERAL

PRICE RANGE DO YOU THINK THAT THE HOUSES WILL BE SELLING AT? >> I WISH I KNEW.

I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >> I WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT HIGH END HOMES, I CONSIDER IT MORE MID-RANGE AFFORDABLE HOMES FOR LIKE ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER

STATED, A YOUNG FAMILY. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> FOLLOW-UP ON THAT, WHY ARE YOU ELIMINATING THE ABILITY FOR THE HOMEOWNER TO PUT IN A SWIMMING POOL? WHY ARE YOU SUGGESTING, I SHOULD SAY?

>> IT WAS A PREVIOUS SUGGESTION FROM WHILE WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS ABOUT HAVING DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS. TO BE HONEST, IF YOU LOOK AT

OUR LOT DETAILS >> WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM SETBACK IN THE BACKYARD?

>> THERE WASN'T A LOT OF ROOM FOR A POOL. SO WE WERE NERVOUS THAT PEOPLE WOULD TRY TO START PUTTING IT ON THE SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE OR KIND OF ENCROACHING ON IT AND ALMOST HAVING IT RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. THAT WAS OUR REASONING FOR

THAT. >> MAKES SENSE. >> GOT IT.

>> WHEN I LOOK AT THAT SETBACK ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND THEN IF I GO BACK TO

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EVEN A LAP POOL WOULD BARELY FIT BACK THERE. I CAN SEE THE SWIMMING POOL ISSUE AND WANTING TO GET THAT INTO THE PD UPFRONT AND THE REGULATIONS WITH THE CITY.

THE SHEDS, WHICH I'M NOT A FAN OF, I'M GLAD I LIVE IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DON'T ALLOW SHEDS EITHER. THAT MIGHT BE A BIT OF A STRETCH.

BUT THE SWIMMING POOLS I CAN SEE WHY. THERE IS JUST NOT ROOM IN THE

BACK OF THE PROPERTY. >> WOULD A HOT TUB BE AVAILABLE?

>> I WOULD ASSUME, YEAH. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU NEED A PERMIT FOR AN ABOVE GROUND TYPE

OF HOT TUB SYSTEM. >> NO AMENITIES FOR THIS PROJECT AT ALL OTHER THAN A TOT PARK AND NO SWIMMING POOL AMENITIES, NO CLUBHOUSE. EVEN DOWN AT THE TOP PART, THE PARK DOWN THERE, NORTH SIDE, THERE IS NO PARKING DOWN THERE. I'M NOT SURE, BECAUSE THAT IS CONSIDERED A PARK, WHETHER THE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE CITY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING FOR THAT AREA. BECAUSE I KNOW SERVING ON THE PARK COMMITTEE, WE WENT THROUGH

A MAJOR RENOVATION, WE HAD TO PUT PARKING IN THERE. >> CHAIRMAN, THIS PARK IS FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT'S NOT A PUBLIC PARK. THERE WON'T BE PEOPLE COMING INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE AREA THAT IS IDENTIFIED AS LIKE THE

DRY POND? >> NO. ON THE AREA WHERE THERE IS -- IT LOOKS LIKE ON THE NORTH SIDE, BETWEEN 50 AND 34, ON THE CURVE. THERE IS A PARK THERE.

>> THE AMENITY PARCEL. >> UH-HUH. >> FOR THE COMMUNITY.

>> THEY WILL HAVE THE COOK-OUT AREA. >> NOT EVEN HALF A MILE FROM

LOT NUMBER NINE AND EIGHT. >> THERE WILL BE PEOPLE ASKING WHY ISN'T THERE ANY PARKING DOWN THERE. I MEAN, I LIVE AT TWO HOAS SO I KNOW.

I SERVE ON THE BOARD ON ONE OF THEM. >> WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PUBLIC SPACE AND IT'S SMALL.

HAD THERE BEEN A COMMUNITY CENTER, THEN WE WOULD HAVE REQUIRED SOME PARKING.

BUT THERE IS NOT. >> NOW, THE LIGHTING PROGRAM FOR THE STREETLIGHTS, AREN'T

THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE OR TWO? >> ONE.

>> I THINK THERE IS DEFICIENCIES DOWN THERE. >> FOR RESIDENTIAL, IT'S ONE.

COMMERCIAL IT'S TWO. >> WHAT I'M SAYING, I NOTICED THAT THE AVERAGE, I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT, THERE WAS NOT A NUMBER OF THEM NOT AT THE ONE LEVEL IN THE STREETS.

THAT IS ANOTHER PROBLEM THAT WE RUN INTO WITH THESE KINDS OF COMMUNITIES.

THE DEVELOPER, THEY'RE INTERESTED IN STICKING UP A POLE WITH ILLUMINATED THING.

IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE HOMEOWNERS AND ALSO FOR THE SAFETY OF THE HOMEOWNERS.

>> IF I MAY, CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER, WHEN THE APPLICANT SUBMITS FOR THEIR PHOTO METRICS PLAN AS PART OF THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET THE CODE REQUIREMENT.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. AND THEN THAT IS A SIGNED AND

SEALED DOCUMENT. >> WHAT I SEE HERE, AT LEAST IT DOES NOT REPRESENT THAT THERE IS A -- I DON'T SEE ANY 2S ON HERE AT ALL IN FRONT OF BUILDING 31, LOT 31, 32.

I SEE .9. THERE IS A FEW. BUT YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S AN AVERAGE OR IT HAS TO BE STIPULATED THAT EACH AREA THAT IS MEASURED HAS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE. I'M FORTUNATE WHERE I LIVE THERE IS A LIGHT RIGHT IN FRONT

OF MY HOUSE. TWO LOTS DOWN HAS NOTHING. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? LET'S COME BACK AND ADDRESS THE WHOLE BUS STOP THING AND PUT A BUTTON ON IT AND MAKE A DECISION WHERE WE WANT TO GO. I SAW ALL OF THE COMMUNICATION IN THE APPLICATION PAPERWORK. AND THAT IS WHY I KNEW THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE BUS STOP. GIVE ME YOUR FEELING ON WHAT THIS BOARD SHOULD BE CONSIDERING HERE AND HOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD ON IT. BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE'RE AT A POINT RIGHT NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MEMBERS THAT ARE NOT HAPPY WITH MOVING THE

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YOUR POSITION ON IT >> I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN.

WE ALL ARE CONCERNED WITH THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF OUR CHILDREN AND CONSIDERING WHAT HAS HAPPENED ON OLEANDER. THE FINAL APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS WILL BE A SCHOOL BOARD, OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, RATHER, DETERMINATION THAT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS FINALIZED. OLEANDER IS NOW UNDER REVIEW WHEN IT COMES TO YOU KNOW, OUR STUDENTS THAT ARE BEING PICKED UP BY BUSES. YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT YOU COULD HAVE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT SAYS THAT THIS IS REQUIRED TO GET AN APPROVAL BY THE DISTRICT BEFORE YOU KNOW, THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT. AND THAT IS -- THE OWNER AND THE APPLICANT'S RISK. IF THAT REQUIRES A REDESIGN OF THE SITE PLAN, AND NOT SUBSTANTIAL, WELL, THEN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF CAN APPROVE THAT.

BUT IF IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE SITE PLAN, THAT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE OR APPROVAL BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND THERE IS A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE SITE PLAN. YOU KNOW, REALLY MORE LOSS OF GREEN SPACE, AND IF THERE IS ANY INCREASE IN DENSITY OR INTENSITY AND I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD -- IT WOULD BE LESSENED IF THEY HAD TO TAKE MORE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR CHANGE THE ENTRANCE INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> FAIR. >> MARTY, DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU IN ANY CAPACITY?

>> IT DOES. BUT I WOULD JUST CAUTION THE APPLICANT, THEY MAY WANT TO SIT OUT FOR A MONTH AND WORK THROUGH THE DETAILS AND NOT HAVE TO THEN COME BACK FOR A POSSIBLE REAPPLICATION IF SOMETHING MOVES THAT REQUIRES THEM TO LOOK AT THE PD AGAIN.

>> IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THIS BOARD COULD APPROVE THE PD PORTION OF THIS AND APPROVE THE PLAT AND COME BACK AND REVISIT THE SITE PLAN ISSUE AFTER SCHOOL DEPARTMENT HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGENT TO RESOLVE THESE QUESTIONS?

BECAUSE CANDIDLY, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. >> WELL, WE COULD APPROVE THE PD. BUT I BELIEVE THE PLAT MAY ALSO CHANGE.

AND SO I WOULD HOLD OFF ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AS WELL. I MEAN, WE COULD GO FORWARD, PD

DOES REQUIRE TWO CITY COMMISSION HEARINGS. >> IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY TIME, NOT SLOWING DOWN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, WE CAN GET THE SCHOOL BOARD'S QUESTION.

>> I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 25TH. PERHAPS WE COULD ADD THAT.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, PD MOVING FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN

BEING REMOVED AND COMING BACK. >> YEAH. BUT YOU'RE NOT LOSING ANY TIME

BECAUSE YOUR PD IS TWO SESSIONS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION. >> MY SECOND READING.

>> HOW THAT WORKS IS THAT THE FIRST MEETING BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION IS WHEN THE PRESENTATION IS MADE, SECOND ONE TYPICALLY THAT IS THE VOTE. VERY RARELY WOULD I BE PRESENTING. BUT THEN I WOULD BE ABLE TO AT THAT POINT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST READING, THE ONLY READING OF THE SITE PLAN. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT

IS ACTUALLY COMING FORWARD. >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT TO APPROVE THE PLAT OR MOTION TO APPROVE THE PD, CONVERSION FROM R-4 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

NOW, THAT KEEPS THAT MOVING FORWARD CONSISTENTLY WITH A 60-DAY TIMELINE.

RUNNING IT BACK. IF YOU CAN BE PREPARED TO RUN IT BACK AT THE OCTOBER 25TH SPECIAL MEETING. WE KNOW THE ISSUES HERE. I THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY EXPEDITIOUS TO GET IT DEALT WITH. ASSUMING THAT MARTY'S CONCERNS

HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. >> I THINK THE TIMING ON THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE 25TH THIS

COULD BE HAMMERED OUT. >> WE COULD WORK THROUGH IT PRETTY QUICK.

>> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO BE A

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KEY ELEMENT IN GETTING THIS HAMMERED OUT. >> WE WOULD ALSO HAVE TO PULL IN THE COUNTY, BECAUSE IT PROBABLY WOULD AFFECT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> JUST RESPOND LIKE THAT TO YOU, DON'T THEY? >> EVEN IF IT WAS PUT ON TO THE

NOVEMBER MEETING. >> NOVEMBER MEETING. THEY GOT A 60-DAY TIMELINE IN

FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION WITH THE PD. >> I WOULD HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I THINK WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. BUT I WOULD ASK THAT WITH THE PD APPROVAL, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL COULD MOVE FORWARD AS WELL.

BECAUSE ALL OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW IS HAPPENING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THAT IS NOT EVEN INCLUDED IN OUR PLAT.

OUR PLAT IS GOING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ITEMS ON OUR SITE PLAN. >> BOUNDARY LINES.

>> THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK. >> WE STILL HAVE THE FINAL PLAT

AS WELL. >> I SEE YOUR POINT. >> THE PLAT DOES HAVE A LONG

TIME. >> TWO READINGS TOO, I BELIEVE. >> AND THEN YOU HAVE TO HAVE

THE FINAL PLAT. >> BUT THERE IS A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. INTERNALLY, YOU CAN MODIFY IT AS LONG AS IT MEETS YOUR

THRESHOLD >> PRELIMINARY PLAT BY ITS OWN TITLE IS PRELIMINARY.

>> OKAY. LET'S DO THIS, JUST, YOU JUST STAY PUT RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE AT FOR A MINUTE. OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

OT SEEING ANYBODY. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS MEETING FOR FURTHER COMMENTS. I THINK WE'RE READY FOR A MOTION. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE YOU TO DO IS BRING THE SLIDE UP WITH THE THREE ELEMENTS. WE'LL CALL FOR A MOTION FOR EACH OF THE THREE ELEMENTS INDEPENDENTLY. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE WANT TO DO A MOTION ON THIS, ON THE

SITE PLAN. >> TABLE IT. >> TABLE IT

>> WE'RE GOING TO TABLE IT. >> NOT VOTED DOWN. IT'S TABLED.

>> DATE CERTAIN MAYBE. >> WITH THE LAST POTENTIAL DATE TO HEAR IT WOULD BE THE FIRST

MEETING IN NOVEMBER. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH

CONDITIONS. >> NOVEMBER 8TH Ô> OKAY.

NOW, IF WE COULD HEAR IT, IF IT'S PREPARED AND READY ON OUR SPECIAL MEETING ON THE 25TH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BRINGING IT IF THAT IS ALL WE'RE GOING TO SPEAK TO.

I DON'T WANT TO BRING IT BACK IN ON THE 25TH, IF IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT TO BE A LENGTHY DECISION AGAIN. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ENOUGH TO TALK ABOUT ON THAT KING SITE IN

ITSELF WITHOUT MUDDYING THE TIME PERIOD UP. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION, MR.

CHAIR IF YOU'RE READY. >> I'M READY FOR A MOTION. SO LET'S DO THIS ZONING

APPROVAL MOTION. >> MAKE A MOTION AMENDMENT FROM R-4 TO PD.

>> WE HAVE A SECOND BY MS. BAKER. AND CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> ROLL CALL. >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM TWO, APPROVAL OF THE SITE

PLAN. >> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT BE TABLED, UNTIL THE NOVEMBER MEETING. BECAUSE THAT IS THE COMPONENT HERE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE DOWN THE LINE. BUT WE WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT

WITH CONDITIONS. >> NOVEMBER 8TH MEETING. >> NO. WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IS I WOULD MAKE A MOTION, MAKING A MOTION, APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH CONDITION. THAT MOTION IS A STAND-ALONE MATTER.

THE SITE PLAN, WE'RE JUST SUGGESTING BE TABLED UNTIL THE NOVEMBER 8TH MEETING.

>> AM I ON TARGET THERE? >> WITH THE POTENTIAL OF BEING ABLE TO GO TO OCTOBER 25TH.

>> LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, IF IT'S READY FOR THAT EARLIER MEETING, GREAT.

IF NOT, THE 8TH. >> DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> THE PLAT AND SITE PLAN HAS

TO BE TWO SEPARATE APPROVALS >> I HAVE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT

WITH CONDITIONS. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> MAKE A MOTION FOR THE SITE PLAN REVIEW UNTIL THE OCTOBER 25TH MEETING.

WHENEVER STAFF AND THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS READY. >> MOTION IS SECONDED BY MS.

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JOHNSON SCOTT. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> ROLL CALL.

>> I HOPE THAT YOU'RE HAPPY WITH THAT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR

TIME. >> OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY. MARTY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT ON THIS.

IT'S VERY HELPFUL. >> WHEN THIS IS SPUN UP AGAIN, WILL YOU BE IN ATTENDANCE TO GIVE YOUR INPUT ON THAT? I THINK YOU ARE THE CRITICAL COMPONENT WITH ALL OF THAT.

>> IT WAS VERY HANDY THAT YOU ARE HERE IN THE ROOM WITH US. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 6D.

[d. 2021-2022 Capital Improvement Program ]

THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, MY NAME IS JACK ANDREWS, I'M THE CITY ENGINEER. IN YOUR JACKIE IS GOING TO PRE THAT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, MY NAME IS JACK ANDREWS, I'M THE CITY ENGINEER.

IN YOUR >> MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD, MY NAME IS JACK ANDREWS, I'M THE CITY ENGINEER.

IN YOUR PACKAGE, YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE CIP, GOES THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, BE IT TRANSPORTATION, BUILDINGS, PARKS, STORMWATER, MARINA, GOLF COURSE, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ONES THAT ARE IN HERE, ALL OF THE PROPOSED PROJECTS IN FIVE YEARS ARE LISTED IN HERE. BUT I WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH A PRESENTATION BEFORE THAT, TO KIND OF TELL YOU WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHAT PROJECTS WE'VE COMPLETED, DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT WE'VE HAD AND JUST KIND OF GIVE YOU AN OVERALL REVIEW.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF 17TH STREET, WE HAD JUST COMPLETED THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT.

A LONG PROJECT. A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES, CAME OUT TO BE A REAL NICE PROJECT IN THE END. SO LOOKING AT OUR COMPLETED PROJECTS, THIS IS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2021, 17TH STREET, OF COURSE, I JUST BROUGHT UP. FUNDING SOURCES, ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS OF PUTTING TOGETHER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IS MENDING ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES TOGETHER. ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, WE HAD FEMA, WE HAD OUR STORMWATER UTILITY. WE HAD CITY GENERAL FUNDS.

WE HAD SURTAX MONEY. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT FUNDS INVOLVED IN THIS TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO FRUITION. SO 17TH STREET WAS ONE. CITRUS AVENUE OVERPASS, THIS WAS THE BRIDGE THAT GOES OVER THE FEC TRACKS. EVERY TWO YEARS, THE DOT DOES A DETAILED INSPECTION OF THAT. AND WE HAD DEFICIENCY IN THAT BRIDGE AND WE WENT OUT AND DID DESIGN PLANS FOR ALL OF THE REPAIRS. WE DID THE REPAIRS THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR. THIS WAS A PROJECT THAT WAS FUNDED ALL BY SURTAX.

WE DID SOME STREET RESURFACING FOR THE 2020. THIS WAS THE SECTION -- PORTIONS OF 17TH STREET. IT WAS THAT SECTIONAL LONG OKEECHOBEE, RIGHT NEAR 17TH STREET, WHERE IT CROSSES IN THERE. WE DID SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS RIGHT IN THAT AREA. CITY HALL, EXTERIOR REFURBISHMENT.

A LOT OF WATERPROOFING ON CITY HALL. PAINTED THE EXTERIOR.

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SO ALL TOGETHER, WE KNOCKED OFF 3.6 MILLION OFF THE CIP LIST FOR LAST YEAR.

COMING UP IN 2021, NEW PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TACKLING. OUR STREET RESURFACING, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME STREETS AROUND THE LINCOLN PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AREA.

10TH STREET, 17TH STREET. MOORS CREEK UP TO AVENUE E. EXTENDING ON FURTHER.

WHEN WE DO RESURFACING PROJECTS, IT'S ALWAYS A PROCEDURE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OUR UTILITIES IN PLACE. BECAUSE THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS GO OUT AND RESURFACE AND HAVE UTILITIES REPAIRED A COUPLE OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. SO ALL OF THESE STREETS HAVE BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY, IN FACT, THERE IS ONE STREET ON THIS LIST THAT I NEED TO REMOVE.

AND THAT'S 12TH STREET. BECAUSE THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY JUST CAME BACK AND SAID THAT THEY NEEDED SOME REPAIR. THEY ASKED IF WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE NEXT RESURFACING CYCLE, SO THEY COULD GET IN AND DO REPAIR. ALL TOGETHER, WE'RE LOOKING AT 485,000, 500,000 FOR RESURFACING. PLANNING ON, I TOOK THIS TO THE COMMISSION. WE'RE GOING TO WHAT WE CALL PIGGY BACK ANOTHER CONTRACT, VERO BEACH HAS A CONTINUING SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR RESURFACING.

I TOOK IT BEFORE THE COMMISSION. THEY APPROVED THAT.

AND I'LL BE BRINGING THESE STREETS BACK TO THE COMMISSION THE FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER TO GET THIS ANTICIPATION THAT WE DO THE WORK BY THE END OF NOVEMBER.

WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR ALL ONLINE. SO THIS WILL BE MOVING QUITE QUICKLY NOW THAT WE HAVE GOT APPROVAL FROM EVERYONE. THESE ARE SOME OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE ARE COMING UP THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. E STREET IS A SMALL SECTION BETWEEN D AND E. WE HAVE COMPLETED THE DESIGN PLANS.

UTILITIES AUTHORITY HAS COMPLETED THEIR UTILITY WORK. AND WE WILL BE GOING OUT, I THINK IT ADVICES THIS WEEK, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND LOOKING AT COMING BACK AND GETTING THIS GOING EITHER THE END OF THIS YEAR OR VERY FIRST PART OF JANUARY.

AVENUE B IS ANOTHER OF THESE STREETS. AND THE REASON WHY WE PICKED THESE STREETS IS THEY ARE IN BAD CONDITION. WE HAD UTILITIES WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THAT THEY REALLY NEED TO DO SO. ON A STREET, THE UTILITY WORK HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED. ON AVENUE B, THE UTILITIES WORK WILL GO IN AHEAD OF US.

THEY WILL DO THE UNDER-GROUND WORK, LEAVE THE STREET IN KIND OF DISREPAIR.

THEY WON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND RESURFACE AND EVERYTHING AND WE'LL FOLLOW RIGHT BEHIND WITH THE DRAINAGE WORK, THE NEW CURB AND GUTTER SIDEWALK AND STREET REPAIR.

THESE ARE COMPLETE REWORKED STREETS. EVERYTHING FROM UNDER-GROUND ELECTRIC TO RENEWING ALL OF THE UTILITIES, NEW DRAINAGE, NEW CURB GUTTER, SIDEWALK.

LIMITED ON LANDSCAPING BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF NARROW ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

SO THERE IS SOME LANDSCAPING BUT IT'S KIND OF HELD TO A MINIMUM IN THAT AREA.

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IT WAS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WAS A JOINT EFFORT WITH THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY, THEY HAD UTILITIES THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO. THE STREET WAS IN BAD SHAPE.

AND SO IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION, LOOKING AT HAVING THAT COMPLETED BY FEBRUARY.

SO THAT'S THE SECTION OF 5TH STREET NEAR MURVIS'S RESTAURANT, IN THAT AREA.

BETWEEN BOSTON AND DELAWARE. OHIO AVENUE. THIS IS -- EVERYONE KNOWS THIS IS A STREET THAT HAS BEEN IN POOR CONDITION FOR A LOT OF YEARS.

WE HAVE UTILITY WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT IS CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN.

WE HAVE AWARDED THE DESIGN TO ONE OF OUR CONTINUING SERVICES CONTRACTORS.

DESIGN SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED IN MARCH. AND I'M LOOKING TO GO RIGHT IN TO CONSTRUCTION AFTER THAT. OHIO AVENUE WILL BE FUNDED MOSTLY WITH SURTAX FUNDS.

WITH EXCEPTION OF THE OF COURSE THE UTILITIES AND DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT CAN'T BE FUNDED BY SURTAX AND WILL BE -- BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT WILL BE THE SURTAX FUNDING.

GRENADA STREET WAS OUR LAST REMAINING DIRT ROAD OVER ON THE BEACH.

THIS WILL BE A CITY DESIGNED IN-HOUSE PROJECT. GO OUT FOR BID.

I BELIEVE THIS IS A -- FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT. I BELIEVE THIS IS CITY FUNDING BETWEEN SMU FUNDING AND CITY STREETS IMPROVEMENTS FUNDS. AVENUE D IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE HAVE COMING ON. THE RESURFACING FROM AVENUE D FROM 29TH STREET TO US-1 AND THEN FROM US-1 TO INDIAN RIVER DRIVE WILL BE COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OF THAT AREA.

SO THIS WILL BE A VERY NICE PROJECT TO FINISH OUT THAT. >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THE TAPE FROM THE AGENDA MEETING THIS MORNING. PUBLIC COMMENTS.

>> OH, OKAY. YES. >> CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS, WE'RE ACTUALLY MEETING ON THAT. SO WE DO HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR WEDNESDAY.

THIS IS JUST -- THEY LIVE ON AVENUE D. THEY WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN

THE REDESIGN. >> OKAY. >> ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT IS NOT PART OF THE CIP FOR THIS COMING FIVE-YEAR PERIOD, BUT WAS ON LAST YEAR'S WAS THE INDIAN HILLS TRAIL, SUNTRAIL PORTION. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY MEMBERS ARE AWARE OF THIS. THIS WAS BROUGHT ABOUT BY APPLICATIONS THAT THE COUNTY PUT TOGETHER AND SUBMITTED THROUGH DOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A HARDENED TRAIL THAT WILL CONNECT THIS REALLY PART OF THE GREENWAY TRAIL SYSTEM, WHICH GOES FROM MICHIGAN ALL THE WAY TO KEY WEST. AND THIS IS A SEGMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH OUR COUNTY. AND IN FACT, THIS IS THE FIRST CONSTRUCTED SECTION OF THE SUNTRAIL. SUNTRAIL WAS DOT'S PORTION OF IT THROUGH HERE.

AND THIS IS THE FIRST CONSTRUCTED PROJECT IN DISTRICT 4.

SO THIS IS KIND OF SOMETHING THAT HAS KICKED OFF THIS SUNTRAIL THROUGH THE STATE.

THIS SECTION GOES THROUGH INDIAN HILLS RECREATION AREA. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT,

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SO THIS IS A SECTION, WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION IN JUNE, FINISHED UP THE CONCRETE LAST WEEK. CURRENTLY DOING THE FINAL GRADING AND SODDING AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO FINISH THIS PROJECT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS MAKES A NICE TRAIL THROUGH THAT AREA. NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS LITTLE PROJECT, EXCEPT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT LOVES IT OVER THERE. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WALK, BICYCLE. BABY CARRIAGES, EVERYTHING ON THIS. THEY SEEM TO REALLY ENJOY IT. IT MAKES A NICE PROJECT THERE.

THE OTHER PORTION OF IT, HISTORIC HIGHWAY TRAIL GAP, GO FROM THE NORTHERN END OF IT, INDIAN HILLSS DRIVE, CONTINUE UP THROUGH THE GOLF PORTIONS OF THE GOLF COURSE, COME OUT ALONG 3RD STREET, GO BEHIND THE POLICE STATION, UP TO GEORGIA AVENUE.

THIS IS THE NEXT PHASE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT UNDER DESIGN.

WE HAVE 30, 50 PERCENT DESIGN PLANS FOR THAT. SO THIS IS FUNDED FOR CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR. SO IN JULY OF 2022, DOT WILL HAVE CONSTRUCTION FUNDS AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THAT. THE NEXT PORTION, HISTORIC DOWNTOWN PORTION, WHICH GOES FROM GEORGIA AVENUE, THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AREA, THROUGH THE PORT AREA, ALL THE WAY UP TO NORTH BRIDGE. SO THIS IS A LONG SECTION.

THE ORIGINAL PD AND E STUDY, PRELIMINARY STUDY, KIND OF SHOWED A GENERAL PATH FOR IT, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH. BECAUSE THAT IS A DIFFICULT AREA TO GET A BICYCLE PATH UP THROUGH THERE. THIS WE JUST RECENTLY AWARDED THE CONTRACT TO MARLIN ENGINEERING FOR THAT DESIGN. THAT IS GOING TO START WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH AND THAT WILL GIVE US GUIDANCE OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THIS.

AND THEN THE FINAL THING THAT IS NOT ON HERE, THE SOUTHERN END, WHERE WE HAVE NOW STOPPED OUR TRAIL, OUR CONCRETE TRAIL WITH THE TRAIN TRACK, SO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS THE EXISTING SIDEWALK THAT COMES UP THROUGH THE SAVANNAHS RECREATION AREA OF THE COUNTY.

SO THERE IS A CONCRETE TRAIL UP TO THAT POINT, WE'LL HAVE A CONCRETE TRAIL TO THAT.

THE NEXT OBSTACLE IS TO GET OVER THE TRAIN TRACK. THERE HAS BEEN DESIGN MONEY FUNDED, EARMARKED FOR THE DESIGN AND THERE IS ACTUALLY BEEN CONSTRUCTION MONEY EARMARKED FROM DOT FOR FISCAL YEAR '24. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. THE MISSING LINK BETWEEN THE TWO TRAILS.

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>> MR. CHAIR, THEY ARE WORKING ON THE SECTION SOUTH OF THAT FROM WALTON ROAD NORTH, ALL THE WAY TO KITTERMAN. BUT THEY'VE GOT THAT SECTION AT LEAST DESIGNED, READY FOR

CONSTRUCTION. >> EXCITING. >> YOU WILL SEE ME OUT THERE

EVERY DAY. >> I KNOW YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THIS EARLIER, I WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE SURTAX FUNDS, THE SURTAX IS THE HALF CENT SALES TAX THAT WAS PASSED A FEW YEARS AGO, WHERE THE TWO CITIES AND COUNTY COLLECT A HALF PENNY OFF THE SALES TAX IN THE COUNTY. I GIVE YOU A BREAK-DOWN OF WHAT WE HAVE COLLECTED SO FAR. LET ME GO THROUGH MY CHEAT SHEET.

SO FAR FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE SURTAX PROGRAM, WHICH STARTED IN MARCH OF 2019, TO

DATE, THE CITY HAS RECEIVED $5,072,000. >> THAT IS A LOT OF HALF

PENNIES. >> A LOT OF HALF PENNIES. >> AS YOU CAN SEE, THE UNENCUMBERED FUNDS WAS $1.2 MILLION. THE FUNDS THAT WE RECEIVED THIS FISCAL YEAR FROM OCTOBER 1ST, TO SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2.1 MILLION. E HAD ENCUMBERED FUNDS THAT WE TOOK OUT OF THAT, DESIGN WORK FOR GEORGIA AVENUE, STREET RESURFACING, 17TH STREET, THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE. 596,000.

THAT WAS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. LEAVES US 2.7 MILLION. UPCOMING PROJECTS, A LOT OF THESE I'VE ALREADY TALKED TO YOU ABOUT, AVENUE B. STREET RESURFACING.

GEORGIA AVENUE, BASIN IMPROVEMENT. I HAVEN'T TOUCHED BASE WITH YOU THAT. BUT I'LL SHARE WITH YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

BRINGS US TO 2.1 MILLION THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING FOR THIS YEAR.

WE HAVE A BALANCE OF UNENCUMBERED FUNDS OF LIKE $600,000.

SO THIS WILL BE PUT IN TO OTHER PROJECTS SHORTLY. SO THIS HAS BEEN A GREAT HELP TO THE CITY. TO THE CITY AND WHOLE COUNTY. THIS IS OUR UPCOMING PROJECTS FUNDED MAINLY BY THE SMU, STORMWATER UTILITY. BEACH COURT, FROM DELAWARE TO FLORIDA, FAILING STORM IN THERE. MOST OF THE TIMES, THE REPLACEMENT OF THE STORM SYSTEM WILL LEAD TO COMPLETE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROADWAY.

WE'LL DO THE WALKS, CURB AND GUTTER. SO BEACH COURT, 16TH STREET, ATLANTIC AVENUE, THESE ARE SIMILAR PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE NEED TO REDO. SOME OF THESE, WE WILL, FOR 16TH STREET, WE SUGGESTED THAT THIS MAY COME FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES.

BUT THE STORMWATER UTILITY WILL GO OUT AND DO THE DESIGN FIRST, GET THESE PROJECTS ROLLING AND THEN WE'LL SEE IF THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR FUNDING FROM OTHER SOURCES.

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THE TWO SURFSIDE PROJECTS, DO YOU REMEMBER WE FINISHED IT UP TWO YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE.

ON THE BEACH WE HAVE THE CASE THAT WE HAVE POOR DRAINAGE ON. OVER THE YEARS, THE WAY THE DRAINAGE WAS SET UP ON THE BEACH, IT WAS SWELLS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

WHEN THE LOTS WERE DEVELOPED, A LOT OF PEOPLE FILLED IN THEIR SWELLS.

THEIR PIPES HAVE SINCE COLLAPSED AND IT ENDS UP ALL OF THE WATER COMES IN TO THE STREET AND THEN GOES TO THE INLETS. A COUPLE YEARS AGO, WE ELIMINATED THE SWELLS, CONSTRUCTED GUTTERS ALONG THE SIDES OF THE STREETS.

PUT CROWNS IN THE STREETS THAT WE DIRECT THE WATER TO THE EDGES OF THE ROADS, CARRY THAT TO THE EXISTING DRAINAGE AND WE'VE HAD GOOD LUCK WITH THE SUCCESS OF THAT.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING MORE OF THE SURFSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL OF THE STREETS WHERE WE HAVE CURRENT DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. AND POOR PAVING AND EVERYTHING. MOST OF THE PAVEMENT IN THIS AREA, SINCE THE WATER SITS ON THE ROAD, THE PAVEMENT HAS DETERIORATED AND WE REALLY HAVE A BAD PAVEMENT, BAD SUB-SURFACE AND EVERYTHING ELSE OVER THERE. SO THESE TWO PROJECTS WILL HELP THAT AREA OUT. AND THE LAST ONE THAT I WANTED TO BRING ATTENTION TO WAS THE GEORGIA AVENUE BASIN IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS AN AREA AROUND THE GEORGIA AVENUE WEST OF THE GOLF COURSE. WHEN I SAY 230 ACRE DRAINAGE BASIN THAT COLLECTED, DRAINS STRAIGHT INTO THE LAKES AT THE GOLF COURSE.

DRAINS STRAIGHT TO THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON. NO TREATMENT.

NOTHING TO STOP IT, DELAY IT. IT COMES IN AND GOES OUT. THIS PROJECT, WE WENT, WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE SURTAX TO COME UP WITH A PRELIMINARY DESIGN. WE WENT TO SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND ST. JOHNS, RECEIVED THE GRANT FOR THIS.

SO WE'LL UTILIZE THE SURTAX TO MATCH THE GRANT FOR THIS. THIS IS A GREAT WATER QUALITY PROJECT. WE'LL DO THE BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES IN THE LAKE AT THE GOLF COURSE. WE'LL PUT IN SEDIMENT TRAPS COMING IN FROM THE OUTFALLS, ALL OF THE NECESSARY TO REMOVE THE PHOSPHOROUS NITROGEN OUT OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF BEFORE IT DISCHARGES INTO OUR LAGOON. SO THIS IS SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS COMING YEAR.

AND JUST ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> GIVE US A LITTLE -- THE SHORT VERSION OF THE WATER PARK. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD A LITTLE BIT IN ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE THAT DOING ADVERSELY TO PARKING IN THAT PARKING AREA.

>> OKAY. WHAT THE CHAIRMAN IS REFERRING TO IS OUR SEA PLANE TERMINAL, DOWN ON THE RIVERFRONT OF INDIAN RIVER. THIS WILL BE LOCATED IN VETERANS PARK, THE PARK THAT EXTENDS FROM THE MANATEE CENTER TO SOUTH BRIDGE.

IS PROPOSED TO BE IN THE AREA OF THE SHUFFLE BOARD COURTS. IF EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THAT

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A COUPLE OF PERMITS THAT WE HAD TO GET FROM THE FAA AND DOT AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY AT THAT. GETTING CLOSE TO IT. THE COMMISSION NOW HAS THE DECISION TO MAKE PURSUING THIS ACTUAL ENDEAVOR. YOU REFERRED TO PARKING, I REALLY DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE PARKING. BECAUSE MOST OF THE -- MOST OF IT WILL BE DROP-OFF I GUESS. PEOPLE THAT UTILIZE THE SEA PLANES, EITHER THEY WILL BE COMING IN AND STOPPING HERE, PROCEEDING ON TO THE BAHAMAS OR WHEREVER THEIR FINAL DESTINATION IS. SO I DON'T SEE A LOT OF NEED FOR PARKING, MORE SO THAN WE ALREADY HAVE THERE. THE ORIGINAL IDEA WAS TO JUST HAVE A DROP-OFF AREA.

WHERE THE CUSTOMERS WOULD ACTUALLY BE DROPPED OFF AND BOARD THE PLANE AND GO FROM THERE. YEAH. IT'S AN EXCITING CONCEPT AND

WE'LL SEE IF THE COMMISSION PURSUES IT. >> WELL, IF WE CONTINUE THE GROWTH RATE THAT WE ARE IN FORT PIERCE, JENNIFER, YOU'RE GOING TO BE A VERY VERY BUSY YOUNG

LADY. YOU CAN FORGET YOUR WEEKENDS. >> JACK, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ON THE CITRUS AVENUE OVERPASS, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE TRAIN TRACK THINGS, NOW AND IN THE

FUTURE? >> UNDER THE CITRUS OVERPASS, THERE IS ROOM ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE SECOND RAIL THAT IS THERE. THE PROPOSAL -- THE ONLY IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY WILL BE DOING THERE IS THE SECOND TRACK, PLUS BARRIERS THAT THEY WILL BE INSTALLING AND UNDER THE -- TO PROTECT THE PIERS OF THE BRIDGE.

SO THERE IS ACTUALLY CONCRETE STRUCTURES THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE TRACK TO YOU KNOW, PROTECT THE PIERS OF THE BRIDGE. SO THAT IS THE ONLY PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION BY BRIGHT LINE, OR WHOEVER THEY ARE THIS WEEK, TO DO THAT.

>> MY SECOND QUESTION IS, IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY IMPACT IN TERMS OF YOUR FUNDING WITH THE CHANGE ON JULY 1ST, WHERE INTERNET SALES HAVE TO PAY SALES TAX?

>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> I MEAN, ALL INTERNET SALES NOW HAVE TO PAY FLORIDA SALES TAX NOW. I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S JUST THE BASE TAX OR WHETHER THAT IS THE -- WHEREVER THE PURCHASE IS COMING FROM, WHETHER THAT WOULD BE THE CITY OR COUNTY, WHATEVER. SO I HAVEN'T FOUND OUT YET, EVEN THOUGH I LOOKED, TO SEE WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE LOCAL TAX, SALES TAX OR JUST STATE SALES TAX.

>> GOOD QUESTION. >> GOOD QUESTION. >> WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO

THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> I MEAN, I'VE BEEN STUDYING THAT, BUT I HAVEN'T CONSIDERED WHAT IMPACT IT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT HAVE ON THE LOCAL TAX.

GOOD QUESTION. THAT COULD BE A LOT MORE HALF PENNIES FOR YOU, BUD.

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>> IT COULD BE. I FAILED TO SHARE THIS WHEN I WENT THROUGH THAT, THE FIRST PORTION WAS FROM MARCH 2019 TO DECEMBER. SO WE HAD WHAT, TEN MONTHS IN THAT AREA THAT WE COLLECTED THE FEES. AND THAT FIRST PERIOD WE HAD COLLECTED 1.4 MILLION. THE NEXT FULL YEAR, WE COLLECTED 1.9 MILLION.

THIS YEAR, SO FAR WE'VE COLLECTED 1.7 MILLION. WE'RE IN FACT AHEAD OF LAST YEAR. SO THE PANDEMIC OR ANYTHING THAT SEEMS TO COME ALONG DOESN'T AFFECT THE PENNIES FLOWING IN. SO THAT

>> INFLATION IS GOING TO HELP YOU. >> QUESTION.

THIS PAVEMENT MARKINGS, IS THAT ACTUALLY THE STRIPING OF THE STREETS, SO WE CAN SEE WHERE

THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET IS? >> CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER, YES. THAT IS.

WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS THIS YEAR, FUNDING 50,000 FROM THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND FOR THAT. AND CURRENTLY MAKING PLANS TO GET THIS OUT TO BID SHORTLY.

I EXPECT WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS I WILL HAVE THIS OUT TO BID.

SO WE CAN -- >> THAT IS GOING TO BE THE NEW STUFF, NOT PAINT, BUT WHAT DO YOU CALL, LATEX? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO LAST A LOT LONGER THAN THE STUFF THAT WE'VE CURRENTLY USED IN THE PAST.

>> I'M PROPOSING TO PRICE IT BOTH WAYS, SO WE HAVE A -- FROM THE THERMOPLASTIC, WHICH IS MORE EXPENSIVE TO THE TRADITIONAL PAINT, I WANT TO PRICE BOTH WAYS SO WE CAN SEE.

>> WOULD IT DEPEND ON THE ROAD? YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME STREETS, 13TH STREET, YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO THERMAL, AND SOME OF THE SIDE ROADS YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO PAINT.

>> RIGHT. >> LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS REVIEW THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO COME UP WITH SUGGESTIONS OR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ENDORSE, AS FAR AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED

TO US. IS THAT TRUE? >> CHAIRMAN BOARD MEMBER, YOU ARE CORRECT. HOWEVER, AT THIS STAGE, THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM HAS BEEN ADOPTED. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING TALKING WITH JACK, THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR AMENDMENTS AND WHATNOT THROUGH THE YEAR THAT ABSOLUTELY WE, YOU ALL AS A BOARD, CAN SUGGEST. AND THEN YOU KNOW, STARTING NEXT YEAR, DURING BUDGET PERIOD TIME, YOU WILL BE SEEING THE PROGRAM THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN

ADOPTED AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THAT. >> WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THOSE

RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUESTS IN WRITING? >> ABSOLUTELY.

I MEAN, IT'S ALL PART OF WHAT THE BOARD CAN DO AND IT WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART WITH LAST YEAR'S BUDGET. AND SO WE ARE RESUMING THAT. AND THAT IS WHY JACK IS HERE TODAY, YOU KNOW, TO PRESENT WHAT WAS ADOPTED AND GOING FORWARD, ANY AMENDMENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE JACK TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, AND YOU WILL BE A PART OF THE REVIEWING BOARD DURING EACH CYCLE OF THE BUDGET WHEN IT COMES TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT

PROGRAMS. >> I KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME THAT I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS BOARD TAKE AN OPINION ON AS FAR AS THE RANKINGS ARE CONCERNED.

YOU KNOW, LIKE JACK MADE MENTION OF 13TH STREET, PHASE FOUR FROM GEORGIA AVENUE TO ORANGE AVENUE, WHICH THAT ROAD IS JUST AS DELAP DATED AS OHIO AVENUE.

OHIO AVENUE, WE KNOW THAT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH. BECAUSE THAT IS THROUGH THE HALF CENT. ANOTHER ONE TOO, T2, T8, T9. AND I THINK THAT UNDER B, WHICH IS BUILDINGS, THE RENOVATION OF THE LINCOLN PARK THEATER. I BELIEVE THAT THIS PLANNING BOARD, IN THE ASPECT OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, SHOULD HIGHLY SUPPORT THE

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FUNDING PLACES FOR THAT AVAILABLE. AND THEN THE ONE OTHER, S-12, WHICH IS THE GEORGIA AVENUE BASIN, WHICH I KNOW IS GOING TO GO THROUGH ANYWAY.

THOSE ARE THE ONES I WOULD BE ENDORSING AS TRYING TO PROMOTE AS THE ONES THAT THIS BOARD FEELS NECESSARY TO MOVE FORWARD. BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS STUFF WILL NOT GET DONE, THERE IS NO FUNDING SOURCES FOR IT. AND IT JUST WILL NOT GET DONE, EVEN THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR, WITHIN THE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD UNLESS WE DEVELOP THOSE FUNDING SOURCES FOR IT. MOST OF THESE THAT I TALKED ABOUT HAVE FUNDING SOURCES.

WE SHOULD HIGH PRIORITIZE THOSE THINGS. ESPECIALLY THE LINCOLN PARK

THEATER. >> I COMPLETELY CONCUR WITH WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW, WITH REGARD TO THE GOLF COURSE, WE HAVE HIRED, WE HAVE A CONTINUING SERVICE CONTRACT WITH OUR PLANNING CONSULTANT WHO HAS PREPARED A SITE PLAN, IT IS A MINOR SITE PLAN, IT WILL REQUIRE SOME CHANGES TO INCORPORATE WHAT WILL BE THEN THE SUN TRAIL THAT IS GOING THROUGH THAT. SO SHE HAS NOT COMPLETED IT YET BECAUSE WE JUST HIRED OUR CONSULTANT TO DO THAT WORK. SO ONCE THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE PLAN, I WOULD LOVE TO COME AND SHOW THAT IT DOES HAVE THE CLUBHOUSE ON

THERE. >> I NOTICED ON THE IMPROVEMENTS, TALKING ABOUT

REMOVING THE PAVERS. WHAT IS THAT? >> AVENUE D, AS YOU KNOW, HAS THE MID BLOCK AS WELL AS THE INTERSECTION PAVER CROSSWALKS. THIS WAS IN THE VERY BEGINNING, WHEN THE CITY STARTED PUTTING IN PAVERS. AND WE'VE LEARNED LESSONS SINCE THAT TIME, AS YOU CAN TELL, THE RIDABILITY OVER THEM NOW IS A LITTLE BIT TO BE DESIRED.

SO WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS TO ACTUALLY REMOVE THOSE PAVER CROSSWALKS, ACTUALLY REMOVE THEM AND COME BACK IN WITH ANOTHER TREATMENT OF THE STAMPED ASPHALT.

THERE IS STILL DECORATIVE. THEY WILL STILL BE COLORFUL, SO STAND OUT THAT YOU CAN RECOGNIZE, BUT IT WILL HAVE THE SMOOTH RIDE OVER IT. AND IT WILL BE EASIER IN THE FUTURE COMING BACK TO IT, WHEN YOU HAVE TO RESURFACE IT AGAIN. WE JUST MILL THROUGH IT AND REDO THE TREATMENT. SO WE LEARNED YEARS AGO THAT BRICK PAVERS, YOU NEED SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST THE ROAD BASIN UNDER THEM. WE STARTED -- ANY PAVERS WE DO NOW, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A WHOLE CONCRETE TROPH UNDER THEM. BUT ON AVENUE D, I THINK WE COULD STILL MAKE IT A DECORATIVE TREATMENT. AND THEY'VE COME A LONG WAY

WITH DIFFERENT METHODOLOGIES. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT LOSING THAT

ARCHITECTURE DESIGN. >> IF I MAY ADD, CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER, NOW THAT ENTIRE LENGTH OF AVENUE D, THE BEGINNING, GOING ALL THE WAY FURTHER EAST TO INDIAN RIVER

DRIVE WILL ALL HAVE A SIMILAR LOOK AND FEEL. >> THANK YOU.

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>> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO PIGGY BACK ON MEMBER BURGE'S COMMENTS.

EXCUSE MY VOICE. I THINK OVER A YEAR AGO, THE LINCOLN THEATER WAS ON THE LIST FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. AT THAT TIME IT WAS LISTED WITH NO FUNDING SOURCE.

AS I WENT THROUGH THE PAPERWORK TIS YEAR, IT WAS LISTED AGAIN. BUT NO FUNDING SOURCE.

SO I TRULY AGREE WITH MR. BURGE, THIS DOES NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.

HIS BUILDING HAS COME U AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR, BUT STILL NO FUNDING. SO IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO GET IT FUNDED AND COMPLETED.

A LOT HAS BEEN DONE, BUT THERE IS STILL A LOT THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THAT BUILDING.

WONDERFUL ACCESS TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THAT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THAT SS TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THAT E TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THAT T TO THE

COMMUNITY AND THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA. >> THE CITY COMMISSION AND FDRA BOARD HAS RECENTLY HAD PRESENTATIONS ON THIS. I THINK WE'RE GAINING MOMENTUM ON THIS. LIKE JEN SAID EARLIER, THIS IS AN EVER-MOVING DOCUMENT.

WE MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO ITMENT WE BRING. WE BRING PROJECTS UP.

A LOT OF IT IS BASED ON FUNDING. THESE ARE GOING TO JUMP UP IN RANKING.

I EXPECT THAT VERY SHORTLY TO BE THE CASE, THAT THE LINCOLN THEATER RISES UP AND DUE FUNDING. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. OVER

>> OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS, THE CITY COMMISSION HAS SPENT SEVERAL HOURS DISCUSSING THE LINCOLN THEATER. YOU'RE PROBABLY MORE AWARE OF THE ORGANIZATION INVOLVED, THE ACTIVITY OF THE ORGANIZATION INVOLVED IN THE LINCOLN THEATER.

BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT OTHER COMBINATION, PRIVATE MUNICIPAL FUNDING OPTIONS THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE TO HELP AND GET THAT PROJECT MOVING FORWARD. SO IT'S GOT THE EYES OF THE COMMISSION ON IT NOW IN A MUCH BIGGER WAY THAN IT HAS IN PAST YEARS.

IT'S RISEN TO THE TOP OF CONCERN HERE IN FORT PIERCE. >> TAKING TOO LONG.

>> IT IS. >> BUT IT'S REALLY GETTING SOME EYES.

I THINK COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS THE DRIVING FORCE IN THAT. HE HAS BEEN DOING AN EXCELLENT

JOB OVER THERE IN DISTRICT ONE. >> THAT IS GOOD TO HEAR. BECAUSE IF IT GOES ON MUCH LONGER, THE RENOVATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE WILL NEED TO BE REDONE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> IT NEEDS TO MOVE ALONG. >> YOUR COMMENT ABOUT BEING ON THE CIP AND NOT BEING FUNDED FOR YEARS AND YEARS, THE MAJOR REASON WHY THAT IS DONE IS WE MAINTAIN IT ON THERE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES FOR GRANTS, IT'S A BE ON THE CITY CIP.AT NEEDS TO- DIFFERENT THINGS. WE KEEP THAT PLACEHOLDER IN THERE, FOR WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY COMES, WE CAN SAY YES, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WE'RE PLANNING ON.

WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT IT RIGHT NOW. THAT IS WHY IT'S ALWAYS ON

THERE. WHETHER IT'S FUNDED OR NOT. >> THANK YOU.

[7. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Chair, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The Planning Board will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Board and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

WERE EMPTY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

REBECCA GARRISON, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. I WANTED TO ANNOUNCE ON MONDAY, I WILL BE GETTING A NEW POSITION, FOR A DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITY.

AND I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK ALL AND EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE FOR THE

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BUT I'M VERY GRATEFUL. VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE CHANCE THAT I HAD.

I HOPE TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THIS CITY IN OTHER CAPACITIES. PLEASE DON'T THINK THAT I'M ABANDONING THE CITY THAT I LOVE AND LIVE IN. I'M GRATEFUL FOR EVERYONE THAT I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> I APPRECIATED ALL OF YOUR INPUT THAT YOU GAVE US. YOU GAVE US INPUT THAT I ENJOYED AT TIMES AND SOMETIMES NOT SO MUCH. BUT YOU ALWAYS WERE THERE TO PROVIDE YOUR INPUT.

AND I HOPE THAT THINGS WORK OUT FOR YOU WHERE YOU ARE GOING AND THAT YOU KEEP THE SMILE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW ON YOUR FACE AS YOU MOVE FORWARD IN YOUR NEXT VENTURE.

AND WE WISH YOU WELL. ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? >> ONE RIGHT HERE.

>> NOT SEEING ANY. >> MR. SANDERS WANTS TO TALK. >> NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST

>> I HAVE TO EXCUSE MYSELF. I'VE GOT A PRESSING MATTER THAT COMES UP.

MY PHONE IS BLOWING UP IN FRONT OF MY FACE HERE. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EXCUSE

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MYSELF. >> NEXT ITEM IS DIRECTORS REPORT.

>> YES. WE HAVE -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIRMAN.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THIS AFTERNOON, WE HAVE INVITED MARTY TO PRESENT ON SCHOOL PLANNING HERE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. HE DID GIVE US THIS PRESENTATION, BOTH TO MYSELF AND MR. MIMS THIS PAST WEEK. IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT HE

PRESENT TO YOU ALL. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND SUPERINTENDENT, I WANT TO SHARE THE DISCUSSION WE HAD AT A SCHOOL BOARD WORKSHOP ON THE 28TH OF SEPTEMBER. MUCH LIKE MR. ANDREWS PRESENTED THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WE DO THIS SAME TYPE OF PLANNING, LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR CAPITAL NEEDS ON RENOVATION, NEW SCHOOL BUS PURCHASS, NEW BUILDINGS, ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

I'M GOING TO BREAK OUT THIS ONE SECTION SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT COMMUNITY GROWTH, COMMUNITY NEEDS, AND SHARE THAT WITH YOU. WITH THAT, I WILL START OUT. FIRST, WE'RE LOOKING AT GROWTH FROM -- HISTORICAL GROWTH IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, I BROKE THOSE OUT IN THE THREE REGIONS IN THE COUNTY, NORTH ST. LUCIE COUNTY, NORTH OF MIDWAY ROAD. WE HAD ABOUT 2600 NEW DWELLING UNITS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. EAST PORT ST. LUCIE, ABOUT 3,000 DWELLING UNITS AND THEN SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE, WEST OF THE TURNPIKE, ALMOST 11,000 DWELLING UNITS.

YOU CAN SEE ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THE NEW GROWTH WAS IN SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE.

ABOUT 16 PERCENT IN FORT PIERCE AND NORTH ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND ABOUT 18 PERCENT IN EAST PORT ST. LUCIE. YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GROW IN THE FUTURE, WE START LOOKING AT WHAT IS OUR RESIDENTIAL INVENTORY, WHAT CAN PEOPLE BUILD ON.

YOU KNOW, WHAT SITE PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY PULLING BUILDING PERMITS AND BUILDING UNITS. YOU KNOW, CELEBRATION POINT, BENT CREEK, THOSE HAVE BEEN THE NEWER COMMUNITIES IN THE CROSSING, CARRIAGE POINT, BUT WE HAVE OTHER ONES COMING IN TO THE COUNTY, RESIDENTIAL AND THEN EAGLE BEND WE THINK IS GOING TO BE COMING IN AS WELL.

OTHER -- THERE IS A 2500 UNIT DEVELOPMENT AT I-95 CALLED COCONUT COVE, HARBOR BRANCH IS STARTING AGAIN. THERE IS ALMOST 10,000 DWELLING UNITS AVAILABLE IN THESE PLANNED PROJECTS THAT COULD BE BUILT ON. I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS IN THE CITY. THERE IS OTHERS OF THAT THAT WILL COME IN AS FILL-IN AS WELL. IN ROUND NUMBERS, AROUND 10,000 DWELLING UNITS IN NORTHERN ST.

LUCIE COUNTY, AVAILABLE INVENTORY, VACANT LOTS. IN EAST PORT ST. LUCIE, MOST OF

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LUCIE. AND THEN WE GO TO THE WESTERN OR SOUTHWEST, SOUTH MIDWAY ROAD, WEST OF THE TURNPIKE. ALONG THE TURNPIKE YOU'VE GOT THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITIES. PLANNING AREA IS ONE. 8 IS ST. LUCIE WEST.

ST. LUCIE WEST IS ALMOST BUILT OUT, 500 DWELLING UNITS LEFT. PLANNING AREAS FOR NORTH AND SOUTH, THE AREA, 34953 ZIP CODE, DOWN BY SAMS AND BECKER ROAD.

THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF THE NEW DWELLING UNITS HAVE BEEN COMING FROM THE LAST FIVE OR TEN YEARS. YOU STILL THERE IS ALMOST ANOTHER 9,000 DWELLING UNITS IN THAT AREA. AS YOU GO WEST, THE DEVELOPMENTS OF REGIONAL IMPACT, YOU KNOW, TRADITION, WESTERN GROVE AND THEN SOUTHERN GROVE, WILSON GROVE, AND DRI THAT HAS COME IN, LTC RANCH, AGAIN, GOT 4,000 DWELLING UNITS, THAT IS MOVING FORWARD.

AND THEN THE OLD STARKE RANCH, REBRANDING THAT, 10,000 UNITS. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IS ALMOST 58,000 POTENTIAL UNITS IN SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE, TO BUILD ON.

A LOT OF INVENTORY. AND AGAIN, IT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN GROWING IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. AS Y'ALL KNOW, THERE IS ALL OF THE MAJOR HOME BUILDERS ARE HERE. THEY'RE UP AND RUNNING. THE HOME SALES ARE NEAR THE PEAK OF THE 2008, 2010 BOOM. YOU KNOW, LOW INTEREST RATES. AND COVID PEOPLE MOVING TO FLORIDA HAVE REALLY FUELLED THE FLORIDA SALES, THE SHORTAGE OF LABOR, SUPPLY CHAIN PROBLEMS, YOU KNOW, GETTING MATERIALS, APPLIANCES FOR HOMES, THOSE ARE LIMITED THE HOME BUILDER'S GROWTH. TALKING TO THE HOME BUILDERS, IF THOSE WEREN'T OBSTACLES, THEY WOULD BE GROWING AT 30 TO 40 PERCENT FASTER RIGHT NOW. THERE IS DEFINITELY THE DEMAND IS THERE. THE LOWER INTEREST RATES. I EVEN ATTENDED A WEBINAR A FEW WEEKS AGO WHERE THE MILLENNIALS AND COVID, WITH THEM BEING HOME HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO SAVE AND NOW HAVE MONEY FOR DOWN PAYMENTS. AGAIN, MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE ENTERING INTO THE HOME MARKET BECAUSE OF COVID. THIS LOOKS THROUGH '01 THROUGH TODAY WHAT THE QUARTERLY BUILDING STARTS WERE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE AS HIGH AT 4,000 UNITS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY THIS YEAR, NEW RESIDENTIAL STARTS. TO DO OUR PROJECTIONS, WE LOOKED AT UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA BUREAU OF ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS RESEARCH, FOR THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS.

THEY PRODUCE POPULATION PROJECTIONS EVERY YEAR. THEY DO A LOW, MEDIUM AND HIGH.

WE LOOKED AT THE MEDIUM NUMBERS, BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE, I TURNED THEIR POPULATION PROJECTIONS BACK INTO DWELLING UNITS, BUT IT LOOKS AT ALMOST 3,000 DWELLING UNITS A YEAR, THROUGH 2025, WE DID NOT THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD PRODUCE OR SELL THE HIGHER RATES. SO WE LOOKED AT THOSE RATES. BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S ABOUT 3,000 UNITS THROUGH 2025 AND THEN 2450 THROUGH 2030 PER YEAR.

THOSE ARE PER YEAR NEW CERTIFICATES OF OCCUPANCY RATES.

WE LOOK AT OUR SCHOOL PLANNING AND THE K-8S AND THE HIGH SCHOOLS AS SEPARATE.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING K-8S THE LAST ALMOST 20 YEARS NOW.

AND THEN HIGH SCHOOLS, A SEPARATE SCHOOL BUILDINGS. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE A LITTLE OVER 10,000 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS AND A LITTLE UNDER 25,000 K-8 STUDENTS.

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AND THEN THE HIGH SCHOOL, ABOUT 2300 STUDENT GROWTH THROUGH 2030 IN THE HIGH SCHOOLS.

AND THEN HOW WILL WE GROW AND WHERE WILL WE GROW. WE BELIEVE BASED UPON THE INVENTORY AND WHERE THE MARKET IS THAT WE'LL GROW SIMILAR TO THE PAST TEN YEARS.

IN THE NORTH REGION, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 15 TO 18 PERCENT. THE EAST REGION, ABOUT 15 TO 18 PERCENT. AND THEN SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE, ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF OUR GROWTH WILL OCCUR THERE. WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE DID PUMP UP THE NORTHERN ST. LUCIE COUNTY RATES A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THE GROWTH ACCELERATE THE LAST FIVE YEARS MORE THAN IT WAS THE FIRST FIVE OF THE TEN. AND THEN WE'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING IN SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE.

WE BELIEVE WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE ABOUT 20 TO 25 PERCENT AGE RESTRICTED IN SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE. VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THE AGE RESTRICTED COMMUNITIES, GATED NEIGHBORHOODS, SENIOR ACTIVITIES. BUT NO CHILDREN.

WHICH IS YOU KNOW, A GOOD THING FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEMAND FOR BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS, BUT WE GET AD VALOREM REVENUE. WE THINK THE STUDENT GENERATION RATES WILL BE SIMILAR AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST. THERE COULD BE DIFFERENCES TO THAT. YOU CAN SEE THE RED AREAS HERE IN THE COUNTY, OVER IN THE EAST SIDE OF THE COUNTY, THESE ARE THE SPANISH LAKES DEVELOPMENTS AROUND PRIMA VISTA, ST. LUCIE WEST, KINGS ISLE, SOUTHWEST, YOU'VE GOT TRADITION, TOWN PARK AND THEN ALL OF RIVERLAND GROVE DRI HAS BEEN AGE RESTRICTED TO DATE. AND THEN THERE IS DELL WEBB.

AGE RESTRICTED. BUT WE ALSO BELIEVE, TALKING TO THE DEVELOPERS, THAT MUCH OF THIS WILL BE AGE RESTRICTED AS WELL. FOR THE SOUTHWEST AREA, WE BELIEVE WE'LL GET THE DWELLING UNIT GROWTH, BUT WON'T GET THE STUDENT GROWTH.

SO WE'VE TAKEN THOSE INTO CONSIDERATION IN OUR CALCULATIONS AND STUDENT GROWTH. SO THIS IS WHERE WE BELIEVE WE WILL GROW THROUGH 2030.

NORTH ST. LUCIE COUNTY, THIS IS THE DWELLING UNIT GROWTH. WE BELIEVE WE'LL GET ABOUT 4800 NEW DWELLING UNITS. YOU CAN SEE IT'S WITHIN THE RANGE OF A LITTLE LESS THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE AVAILABLE INVENTORY. SOUTHWEST, PORT ST. LUCIE, TWO-THIRDS OF THE AVAILABLE INVENTORY, 4,000 UNITS. SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE, WE AGREE WILL GROW BY ABOUT 18,000 DWELLING UNITS IN THE COMING DECADE.

TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR ENROLLMENT. WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL OUR FULL-TIME ENROLLMENT. IT'S FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT. IT'S EQUIVALENT TO PER STUDENT, YOU KNOW, THEY MAY NOT BE IN HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE LESS THAN ONE FTE PER STUDENT BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT TAKE A FULL COURSE LOAD. CAPITAL OUTLAY IS STUDENTS ENROLLED IN THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT BUILDINGS.

SO IF THE STUDENT IS AT A CHARTER SCHOOL, AT DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS FACILITY, THOSE ARE NOT COUNTED AS PART OF THE CAPITAL OUTLAY. THE DIFFERENCE, YOU CAN SEE UP TO ABOUT 2008, THOSE LINES WERE ALMOST THE SAME, ABOUT 2008, WE STARTED GETTING A LITTLE BIT SEPARATION, WE STARTED GETTING SEPARATION, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IN 2008, WE OPENED PALM POINT, THAT TOOK ABOUT 1400 KIDS. THEY'RE A SEPARATE SCHOOL DISTRICT ACTUALLY. FLORIDA ATLANTIC UNIVERSITY IS A LAB SCHOOL.

DISTRICT 72. VARIOUS LAB SCHOOLS, THEY'RE ALL IN DISTRICTS.

THEY COME OUT OF THE EQUATION AS FAR AS OUR ENROLLMENT. THEY'RE STILL OUR STUDENTS, BUT THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ENROLLMENT. THE OTHER THING THAT HAS CHANGED IS CHARTER SCHOOLS AND EMPOWERMENT SCHOLARSHIPS, MCKAY, VARIOUS FAMILY

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YOU CAN SEE OUR CUMULATIVE CHARTER SCHOOL CAPACITY HAS GROWN TO 3900 STUDENTS.

IF I ADD THE YELLOW LINE AND THE GREEN LINE TOGETHER, YOU CAN SEE THAT IS WHAT THE COMBINATION OF OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS AND OUR CAPITAL OUTLAY FTE LOOKS LIKE.

THE LINES GET CLOSER TO OUR FTE. IT SHOWS YOU THAT STARTING IN ABOUT 2008, NOT ALL NEW STUDENTS GO TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY SCHOOLS.

THEY MAY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO OUR CONSIDERATION IN OUR ENROLLMENT AS WELL. LOOKING AT FACILITIES PLANNING, YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD DAYS, IT USED TO BE WE MATCHED BODIES AND SEATS. YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO HAVE ENOUGH SEATS FOR THE STUDENTS AND IT DIDN'T REALLY MATTER WHERE THEY WERE.

ACTUALLY, THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION WOULD NOT LET US BUILD A SCHOOL IF WE HAD ENOUGH SEATS. SOME OF THAT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.

NEW HOME CONSTRUCTION, SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE, SHOWS THE NEED FOR US TO GROW.

ALSO, A LOT OF DESIRE FROM THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE SCHOOLS IN CLOSER PROXIMITY TO THEIR HOMES. WE LOOKED AT OPTIONS TO BUILD SCHOOLS, TO CAPTURE THE STUDENTS MOVING THERE AND PROVIDE A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THIS JUST SHOWS YOU A MAP OF ALL OF OUR K-8 AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN A TWO-MILE RADIUS.

YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT MOST OF THE COUNTY COVERED. IN THE SOUTHWEST AREA, PALM POINT SCHOOL, GOT A DIFFERENT ENROLLMENT THAN OUR STANDARD SCHOOL DISTRICT ENROLLMENT.

WE DON'T HAVE MUCH COVERAGE THERE AS FLORIDA ATLANTIC UNIVERSITY ENROLLMENT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS TO COMMIT SCHOOL SITES AS THEY PLAN THESE LARGE COMMUNITIES. MANY OF THE COMMUNITIES WE HAVE TWO SCHOOL SITES PLANNED.

AND WE TYPICALLY ENTER INTO IMPACT FEE AGREEMENTS WITH THOSE DEVELOPERS AND IN EXCHANGE FOR IMPACT FEE CREDITS, THEY GIVE US THE SCHOOL SITE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY CASH FOR IT. BUT WE PAY THE EQUIVALENT OF CASH BY GIVING THEM IMPACT FEE CREDITS. SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT K-8 SCHOOLS, THESE ARE THE SCHOOL SITES THAT WE HAVE PLANNED IN THAT SOUTHWEST AREA.

YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS, YOU CAN SEE THE REASON WE NEED TO PLAN A LOT OF SCHOOLS IN THAT AREA. SAME THING FOR THE HIGH SCHOOLS, I DREW THE LINCOLN PARK SCHOOL IN ORANGE, BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT ENROLLMENT, AS A MAGNET SCHOOL.

YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE MOST OF THE COUNTY COVERED. THESE ARE THE THREE HIGH SCHOOL SITES THAT WE HAVE HAD COMMITTED THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT, DEVELOPERS, IMPACT FEE AGREEMENTS WITH THESE THREE DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE SCHOOL SITES WHEN THEY'RE NEEDED. WE BELIEVE THAT THE SCHOOL SITE THAT WILL BE READY FIRST WILL BE THE VERANO SCHOOL SITE, THE TIMING IS SUCH THAT WE CAN GET TO THAT SITE FIRST.

WE ALSO HAVE ONE IN LTC RANCH AND ONE DOWN IN RIVERLAND. SO APPLYING THE GROWTH FOR THE NEW BUILDING PERMITS, THE AGE RESTRICTED HOUSING, TO EACH AREA, WHAT WILL THAT DO TO THE ENROLLMENT AND ABILITY TO SERVE KIDS. IN 2030, WE STILL HAVE AVAILABLE CAPACITY, WE'RE ONLY 78 PERCENT OF OUR UTILIZATION RATE, EAST PORT ST. LUCIE, 81 PERCENT FULL. SOUTHWEST, WE'RE 105 PERCENT OF OUR CAPACITY, OR ABOUT 558 SEATS SHORT. 70 PERCENT OF ALL OF OUR STUDENTS ARE K-8.

THIS IS THE BULK OF WHERE OUR STUDENTS ARE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HIGH SCHOOL, APPLYING THAT SAME GROWTH, YOU CAN SEE IN NORTH ST. LUCIE COUNTY, WE START TO RUN SHORT OF HIGH SCHOOL SEATS, 163 SEATS SHORT. EAST PORT, WE STILL HAVE 272

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OVERALL COUNTY WIDE, WE'RE 1100 SEATS SHORT IN 2030. IT TELLS YOU THAT WE NEED TO BUILD HIGH SCHOOL SEATS. SO WE LOOKED AT A PLAN TO ENHANCE CAPACITY AND WHAT OTHER MODERNIZATIONS WE NEEDED. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE SUPERINTENDENT HAS BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IS POINTING OUT THE NEED TO IMPROVE FORT PIERCE WESTWOOD, YOU MAY RECALL, HE WAS A FORMER PRINCIPAL THERE. THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE POINTED OUT THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO HAVE EQUITY IN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND RECOGNIZE THAT THAT SCHOOL DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME FACILITIES. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MODERNIZING FORT PIERCE WESTWOOD. . WE HOPE THAT WE CAN TEAR DOWN AND REBUILD A NEW SCHOOL THERE. THERE IS A PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION TO SHOW THAT THAT IS THE LEAST EXPENSIVE COST.

WE BELIEVE FROM A SCHOOL ARE CERTAIN THINGS IN STATE E - REQUIREMENTS FOR EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES THAT THAT SCHOOL DOESN'T MEET ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

WE CAN EASILY SHOW THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. >> HOW OLD IS THAT SCHOOL?

>> I THINK IT WAS OPEN IN 1977. >> SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF HISTORICAL VALUE THERE?

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN AWFUL SCHOOL. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE NATURAL DAYLIGHTING. YOU KNOW, IT'S -- SOME OF THE SCHOOLS WE BUILT IN I WOULD SAY THE '50S, '60S, '70S, WHEN VERY EFFICIENT. I JOKINGLY LAUGH AT TWO OF MY FRIENDS, ARCHITECTS ON THAT BUILDING, THEY WERE FRUGAL, THERE WERE TIMES THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD TO BE FRUGAL AND THEY KNEW HOW TO BE FRUGAL AND THEY BUILT VERY FRUGAL BUILDINGS. AND THERE WAS A TIME AND PLACE FOR IT.

BUT THERE IS MUCH MORE THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO STATE OF THE ART EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES TODAY. SO THAT IS WHY WE BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WESTWOOD. . THE OTHER THING WE WANT TO DO IS MOVE FORWARD WITH A NEW K-8 IN SOUTHWEST TO MEET THAT GROWTH.

AND A NEW HIGH SCHOOL IN SOUTHWEST ST. LUCIE. ON WESTWOOD, WE WANT TO ADD A COUPLE HUNDRED STUDENT STATION TO THAT, BRING UP THE CAPACITY TO 2000 STUDENTS, BUT MAKE IT EXPANDABLE TO 2500. WHEN WE DO NEED IT, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO BUILD AN ADDITION OR NEW BUILDING FOR IT. SO PLAN FOR THE GROWTH BEYOND 2030, AND LIKEWISE, THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL, WE ONLY NEED ABOUT 1500 STUDENT STATIONS, BUT WE'LL PLAN FOR 2500 STUDENT STATIONS. I SHOULD SAY 2500 STUDENTS, NOT STATIONS.

YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHAT THE CAPACITY OF TREASURE COVE HIGH SCHOOL IS AS WELL.

APPLYING THOSE, THAT PROGRAM TO THE DEMOGRAPHICS SHOWS YOU THAT WE MEET ALL OF THE CAPACITY NEEDS IN THE K-8S LOOKING AT A SCHOOL IN SOUTHWEST ST. LUCIE FOR THE K-8S AND THEN LIKEWISE, IN THE HIGH SCHOOL, MODERNIZING AND REBUILDING FORT PIERCE WESTWOOD.

WE'RE ABOUT 592 SEATS BOVE THE 2030 DEMANDS. SO WE -- THEY'RE DEFINITELY NEEDED. LIKE I SAID, WE'RE LOOKING AT WESTWOOD, ABOUT 2000 STUDENTS STATIONS. AND OF COURSE, ONE OF THE REASONS WE LIMITED THE SIZE OF THOSE IS TO KEEP THE COST DOWN. YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A WESTWOOD REMODEL RENOVATION OF ABOUT 82 MILLION. NEW HIGH SCHOOL, 72 MILLION. NEW K-8, 43 MILLION.

TOTAL COST, A LITTLE OVER $200 MILLION. AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SCHOOLS IN SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE. HIGH SCHOOL ON CROSSTOWN PARKWAY, GOOD CENTRAL LOCATION. YOU CAN BE ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTY IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES FROM THIS LOCATION. THERE IS A NEW ROAD THAT WILL GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO BECKER.

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BOTH OF THOSE SITES WE BELIEVE WILL BE AVAILABLE. SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES TO THE WESTERN GROVE SITE, IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO A LARGE REGIONAL PARK THAT THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE IS BUILDING. WE TRY TO COLLABORATE ON THOSE MUTUAL USE FACILITIES AND CO-LOCATE THINGS TOGETHER. SO THAT WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING.

AGAIN, THAT IS THE PROGRAM. MODERNIZE WESTWOOD. .

AND K-8 AND HIGH SCHOOL. WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, MR. ANDREWS TALKED ABOUT THE HALF PENNY SALES TAX, WE'VE GOT A SALES TAX SURCHARGE AT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE ALSO HAVE IMPACT FEES. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SPENDING A LITTLE BIT OF OUR IMPACT FEE AND SALES TAX MONEY. SCHOOL DISTRICTS AREN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE MORTGAGES. WE HAVE ANOTHER FINANCING TOOL CALLED CERTIFICATES OF PARTICIPATION. WHICH IS IN ESSENCE A LEASE PURCHASE.

IF WE DEFAULT, THEY TAKE THE BUILDING BACK. SO WE WILL USE THOSE AS WELL.

SO THAT WILL MEET ALL OF OUR GROWTH NEEDS THROUGH 2030. WE LOOKED BEYOND THAT.

WE LOOKED AT THE 2045 PLANNING WINDOW, THOSE NUMBERS GET FUZZY BECAUSE THINGS CHANGE.

BUT JUST FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, WE SAID WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE K-8S, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN 2032, WE'LL PROBABLY NEED A NEW K-8 IN 2035. AND THEN HIGH SCHOOL, WE COULD ADD CAPACITY TO WESTWOOD IN 2036. AND 2036, ADD CAPACITY TO THE SOUTHWEST HIGH SCHOOL.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE SEE IN THE CURRENT DEMOGRAPHIC PROJECTIONS THROUGH 2045.

OUR NEXT STEPS, FINALIZE PLANNING, SELECT ARCHITECT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, WHETHER WE BUILD A NEW BUILDING, REUSE OF EXISTING SCHOOL.

AND THEN WORK WITH OUR ACADEMIC TEAMS TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THE SCHOOL PROGRAMMING NEED TO LOOK LIKE, WHETHER IT BE MEDICAL, YOU KNOW, CAREER TECHNICAL, EDUCATION, ALL OF THOSE ACADEMIES AND PROGRAMS THAT WE WILL INTEGRATE INTO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH THE AGREEMENT WITS WITH THE DEVELO.

THE SCHOOL BOARD AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROGRAMMING. IT IS EXCITING THAT WE GET TO REBUILD A SCHOOL IN NORTHWEST FORT PIERCE THAT IS SO NEEDED AND WE'RE FINANCIALLY ABLE TO MEET THE GROWTH NEEDS IN SOUTHWEST ST. LUCIE, SHOWS YOU A LOT OF THE PLANNING THAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT HAS DONE WITH THE BOARD AND SUPERINTENDENT, WITH THE HALF PENNY SALES TAX, IMPACT FEES, ALL OF THE LONG-TERM PLANNING EFFORTS THAT HELP MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN FUND THESE SCHOOLS AS WE GROW, IT WORKS. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE MOVING

FORWARD. >> VERY GOOD. QUESTIONS?

>> WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE OLD FORT PIERCE CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL SITE ON EDWARDS ROAD?

>> WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN TODAY FOR IT. WE BELIEVE THAT AS YOU KNOW, DEMOGRAPHIC NEEDS IN FORT PIERCE CHANGE, WE HAVEN'T SEEN A LARGE PROJECTS THAT ARE BRINGING RESIDENTIAL UNITS TO FORT PIERCE, BUT IF THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE HANGING ON TO IT. IF I GIVE UP A SCHOOL SITE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WHEN I NEED TO BUILD A SCHOOL, WE'LL BE BUILDING SOMETHING OUT AT 11 MILE ROAD TO SERVE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. SO YOU KNOW, LONG-TERM, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE A GOOD INTERIM USE THAT THE CITY COULD USE FOR IT. WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT.

>> I COULD IMAGINE A TINY CITY OUT FOR THE HOMELESS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ACRES THAT ARE OUT THERE. WE DO HAVE A HOMELESS PROBLEM IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPOT, IT'S BIG. A LOT OF IT.

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>> YEAH. WE'VE TALKED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WORK WITH THE CITY, IT'S A DIFFICULT SITE. ON ONE SIDE WE HAVE A NICE RESIDENTIAL UNIT, ON THE OTHER SIDE, WE HAVE THE PUBLIC WORKS YARD, TO THE SOUTH, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL USES.

SO I'M NOT SURE OF THE RIGHT USE BEYOND A SCHOOL THERE. BUT WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT

THAT. >> JUST WHAT IS THE APPROXIMATE DISTANCE FROM CENTENNIAL HIGH SCHOOL TO THE PROPOSED HIGH SCHOOL IN SOUTHWEST PORT ST. LUCIE?

>> I WOULD GUESS IT'S SIX OR EIGHT MILES. SOMEWHERE AROUND THAT.

YEAH. I WILL SAY, BEAR WITH ME A SECOND.

I WILL POINT SOMETHING OUT TO YOU GUYS. IF I CAN FIND THE RIGHT MAP.

>> DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT WE COULD GET? I'LL COME DOWN AND TALK TO YOU

ABOUT IT. >> IT'S ON THE DESKTOP RIGHT NOW AND I'LL SAVE IT.

>> MY PRINTER ISN'T VERY GOOD. THAT IS THE REASON WHY I ASKED. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, I'M GOING TO POINT OUT HERE, THEY'RE NOT EXTREMELY HIGH DENSITY, BUT YOU CAN SEE IN WHAT I WILL CALL THE 34953 ZIP CODE, DOWN BY TREASURE COVE HIGH SCHOOL.

WE HAVE GOT ENOUGH STUDENT TODAY TO FILL TWO HIGH SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA RIGHT HERE.

AND THE DISTANCE MS. JOHNSON, IS ABOUT THE SAME DISTANCE BETWEEN CENTENNIAL AND TREASURE COVE HIGH SCHOOL. AND THEN HERE IS THE NEW HIGH SCHOOL OUT WEST.

THEY'RE PRETTY REASONABLE SP SP

SPACED APART OF WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE. >> MARTY, GOOD LUCK.

>> WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT SCHOOL CONCURRENCY IN 2005. I MET WITH THEN CITY MANAGER.

MARTY, I DON'T GET IT. WE APPROVE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S THAT SIMPLE.

WHY DO YOU GOT TO TALK ABOUT SCHOOL CONCURRENCY? HE IS KIND OF RIGHT.

WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BUILD SCHOOLS. AS LONG AS WE DO IT TOGETHER AND WE COME UP WITH THE RIGHT MECHANISMS AND JOINTLY PLAN, IT WORKS.

THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, YOU KNOW, SINCE 2005, WORKING WITH BOTH CITIES AND THE COUNTY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, JENNIFER CALLED ME LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT SCHOOL CONCURRENCY FOR OLEANDER OAKS HERE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE FOLDER. WE'RE OKAY, WE HAVE ENOUGH SEATS.

BUT THAT IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT, MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T WORK ON SILOS, WE PLAN PROPERLY AND WORK TOGETHER AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE AN OBSTACLE THAT YOU CAN'T BUILD NEW UNITS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, BUT YET AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO BE SAYING WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT OUR KIDS. AS LONG AS WE PLAN TOGETHER AND YOU KNOW, THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T TAKE AWAY ALL OF THE TOOLS WE HAVE TO FUND THINGS, WE'RE OKAY.

>> I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY ON EDWARDS ROAD IS PRETTY CHEAP JUST TO

KEEP SITTING THERE. >> OUR CARRYING COSTS ARE PRETTY LOW.

>> YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT. >> NO QUESTIONS. MARTY, YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

APPRECIATE IT. GOOD MATERIAL. AND EVERYBODY IS ALWAYS

INTERESTED IN SCHOOLS. >> EXCITING. >> I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY, THE 25TH, OCTOBER 25TH, THANK YOU, AT 4:00 P.M.

>> 4:00 P.M. >> YES. >> DINNER GOING TO BE SERVED?

>> PRIMARILY, UNLESS THIS OTHER LITTLE PROJECT THAT WE -- UNLESS THIS PROJECT THAT WE'RE

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