Nov 08, 2021 Planning Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>>> GOOD MORNING. AFTERNOON. >> YOU TOO.

>> I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE MORNING. I SAT IN THIS CHAMBER THIS MORNING WITH THE COMMISSION LISTENING TO THEM SPEAK AND WHEN I LEFT I FELT I LIKE I HAD BEEN IN MEAT LOCKER.

I HOPE IT IS NOT AS COLD NOW AS IT WAS THEN. OF COURSE Y'ALL HAVE LONG SLEEVE

SHIRTS. YOU'RE DRESSED FOR FALL. >> WE'RE DRESSED FOR BEING IN

HERE. >> WHEN I CAME BACK I PUT A VEST ON.

THIS IS OUR REGULAR MEETING. AND IT DOES SAY REGULAR MEETING. PLANNING BOARD REGULAR MEETING.

I NEVER NOTICED THAT BEFORE. HAS IT ALWAYS SAID THAT? >> UNLESS IT IS A SPECIAL

MEETING. >> OKAY. PLANNING BOARD REGULAR MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 8TH. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE STAND WITH US FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

AND FOR ALL OF US THAT HAVE THESE INSTRUMENTS THAT SEEM TO BE GLUED TO, PLEASE TURN THEM

OFF. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >> MR. BRODERICK.

>> HERE. >> MR. ALBURY. MR. BURDGE.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MS. JOHNSON-SCOTT. >> PRESENT.

>> MS. BAKER. >> YES. >> MS. CLEMONS.

>> PRESENT. >> CHAIR MAN CREYAUFMILLER. >> PRESENT.

AND MR. ALBURY JUST CAME IN. VERY GOOD. MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL

[a. Minutes from the October 11, 2021 meeting]

OF THE MINUTES FOR OUR OCTOBER THE 11TH MEETING? >> SECOND.

>> HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BURDGE, SECOND BY MS. CLEMONS. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> MR. BURDGE? >> YES. >> MS. JOHNSON-SCOTT.

>> YES. >> MS. BAKER. >> YES.

>> MS. CLEMONS. >> YES. >> MR. BRODERICK.

>> YES. >> MR. ALBURY. >> YES.

[b. Minutes from the October 25, 2021, Special Planning Board meeting]

CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES, MA'AM. I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A

MOTION FOR OCTOBER 25TH, SPECIAL MEETING MINUTES. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION BY MR. BURDGE, SECOND BY MS. JOHNSON-SCOTT.

CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> MS. JOHNSON-SCOTT. >> YES.

>> MS. BAKER. >> YES. >> MS. CLEMONS.

>> YES. MR. ALBURY. >> YES.

MR. BURDGE. >> YES. >> CHAIR MAN CHAIRMAN

CREYAUFMILLER CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES, MA'AM. I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE, I GUESS EVERYONE -- WELL, NY'AL LIVE IN DISTRICT ONE. BUT IF THERE IS ANYBODY WATCHING THIS MEETING TODAY VIA VIDEO, I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT YOU HAVE A DECEMBER 7TH ELECTION IN DISTRICT ONE. PLEASE EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO VOTE.

I'M SURE YOU WILL. >> YES, OF COURSE. >> WE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING

[c. Site Plan and Conditional Use - Flagship Storage - Northeast corner of Jenkins and Okeechobee Road]

ITEM 6C FROM TODAY'S AGENDA TO THE DECEMBER -- >> CORRECT, CHAIRMAN.

[a. Annexation - Flagship Storage - At or near 3900 S US Highway 1 (1 Parcel)]

>> MOVED. >> FRANK CREYAUFMILLER, CHAIR: OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS ON THE NEW BUSINESS, THEN, WOULD BE ITEM A, THE ANNEXATION OF FLAGSHIP STORAGE AT OR NEAR 39 HUNDRED SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1. AND MS. HOFF MICER WILL BE PRESENTING TODAY.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. ITEM 40A IS THE FIRST SUBJECT FOR THE PARCEL CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE COUNTY LOCATED ON OR NEAR 39 HUNDRED SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1.

FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION IS CURRENTLY, AGAIN, WITHIN THE COUNTY AT COMMERCIAL.

AND THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND DESIGNATION IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

ZONING MAP SHOWN ABOVE ALSO IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY WITHIN THE COUNTY'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS PROPOSED TO THE CITY'S GENERAL COMMERCIAL SEAT 3.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ANNEXATION MEETS THE STANDARDS OF CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY POLICY SECTION 1.11 REGARDING ANNEXATIONS.

POSSIBLE ACTIONS BY THE PLANNING BOARD IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR TO RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS? >> FRANK CREYAUFMILLER, CHAIR: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. HOFF MICER? TRUE? I'M SORRY. NO QUESTIONS. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT?

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I HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ANNEXATION OR FUTURE.

THE PROJECT. >> QUESTIONS FOR MR. CAREY? NOT ANY, THANK YOU.

YOU MIGHT STOP BY MR. MIMM'S OFFICE AND PICK UP A PAYCHECK YOU'RE HERE SO OFTEN.

>> I'M HERE PRETTY OFTEN. I ENJOY IT. >> OKAY.

COME BACK TO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MICER. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MS. CLEMENS.

A ROLL, PLEASE. >> MS. BAKER. >> YES.

>> MS. CLEMENS. >> YES. >> MR. ALBURY.

>> YES. >> MS. JOHNSON-SCOTT. >> YES.

[b. Amendment to the Planned Development (PD) and Site Plan - Willow Lakes Phase 1A - 10050 West Midway Road]

>> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER. >> YES, MA'AM. OUR NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS AMENDMENT B AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PD AND SITE PLAN OF WILLOW LAKES, PHASE 1A AT 10050 WEST MIDWAY ROAD. IT HAS BEEN SOME TIME THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THIS AND I'M ANXIOUS

TO SEE IT BUILT. OKAY. >> CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD VERY HAPPY TO BE PRESENTING THE FIRST PHASE OF THE WILLOW LAKES COMMUNITY.

AN EXCITING PROJECT AND GAME CHANGE HER I BELIEVE FOR FORD PIERCE.

IT IS 150 WEST MIDWAY ROAD. THE ENTIRE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF OVER 200 ACRES.

THE SUBJECT OF THIS PETITION IS PHASE ONE AND CONSISTS OF JUST OVER 37 ACRES.

FUTURE LAND USE IS MIXED USE AND THE ZONING DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THE PROJECT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED IN -- AND THE ORDINANCE NUMBER WAS 20025 BACK IN 2020. THE PROJECT -- THIS IS OVERALL SITE -- CONSISTING OF FOUR PHASES. I WANT TO GIVE FOR THOSE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS NOT PRESENT AT THE TIME OF THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL, THE MISSION STATEMENT THAT WAS DONE OR PRESENTED BY THE APPLICANT, AS SHOWN HERE, THE WAVE GARDEN AT WILLOW LAKES DELIVERING HIGH QUALITY WAVES AND AUTHENTIC SURFING EXPERIENCES YEAR-ROUND FOR NEW AND EXISTING SURFERS OF ALL AGES AND CAPABILITIES. IT WILL BE IN SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS FOLLOW IN THE SUBSTANTIVE PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT BY A NETWORK OF ORIENTED STREETS AND FLOW WAYS DESIGNED FOR MAXIMUM RECREATIONAL PURPOSES. THE RESULT AN A INCLUSIVE ENVIRONMENT WHERE VISITORS, RESIDENTS AND PROFESSIONALS HAVE FUN, KEEP FIT AND FEEL PART OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SHARES THEIR PASSION WITH RESPECT TO SURFING, THE OCEAN, OTHERS, AND THE PLANET. THE SUBJECT OF THIS AMENDMENT IS A REQUEST FOR AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND IT IS, AS I HAD STATED EARLIER, PHASE 1A, WHICH IS IN THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. PURSUANT TO THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE, SITE PLANS FOR EACH OF THE PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT WILL REQUIRE DEVELOPMENT -- DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW OR SITE PLAN REVIEW.

THERE BY, THE PLANNING BOARD, YOU WILL ALL BE OPINING ON EACH OF THE PHASES OF DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO IT GOING TO THE CITY OF COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. PHASE ONE REQUIRES AN AMENDMENT TO THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE BECAUSE WITH THIS PROPOSAL, THEY'RE ASKING FOR SOME DEVIATIONS TO THE ALL STREET PARKING SPACE SIZES AND THE DRYWALL WIDTH AND INCORPORATING THE WAVE POOL REGULATIONS INTO THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE. AND THAT TOOK SOME TIME FOR THEM TO DO. AND I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER TO THE APPLICANT WHO EXPLAINED FURTHER ON THOSE REGULATIONS. BUT PURSUANT TO OUR CODE, WE REQUIRE 9.5 FEET BY 19 FEET FOR PARKING STALLS. AND THE MINIMUM OF 26 FEET FOR DRIVE AISLES.

BOTH PLANNING AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS SUPPORTY OF THE DEVIATION FROM THOSE REGULATIONS. AS IT IS VERY COMMON IN MORE OF THE URBAN COMMUNITIES THAT THEY'RE DEVELOPING TO HAVE SMALLER WIDTHS FOR DRIVE AISLES AND ALSO FOR PARKING STALLS.

AGAIN, THIS IS PHASE ONE OF THE WILLOW LAKES COMMUNITY. SHOWN ON THE SLIDE IS THE SURF

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AS YOU CAN SEE, THE PROPOSAL THAT IS SHOWN IN MORE OF A PINK COLOR IS THE WAVE GARDEN, WHAT THEY CALL THE CLUBHOUSE OR THE HUB. THE LEN ANYWAYS, ALSO CALLED SURF PODS AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE MAINTENANCE FACILITY WHICH IS NECESSARY FOR THE WAVE GARDEN. INDOOR PACKET, YOU RECEIVED A FULL SET OF PLANS FOR THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS DIVIDED UPPER SHEET. AND IT GIGGIVES THE DETAILS OF H OF THOSE ELEMENTS OF DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE THAT ARE BOLDER, ARE MORE OF A DARK YELLOW OR WHATEVER BEING CONSTRUCTED WITH THIS PHASE.

AND THOSE THAT ARE BLENDED OUT, FADED OUT, WILL BE COMING IN EITHER PHASE 1B OR FOLLOWING THAT, AS PART OF PHASE 2. SHOWN ABOVE ARE THE ELEMENTS OF PHASE 1A.

THE WAVE GARDEN WILL CONSIST OF A NUMBER OF ELEMENTS, INCLUDING THE HUB ITSELF WHICH WILL HAVE WITHIN IT, THE SURF AND THE WATER SPORT SHOPS. STAFF OFFICES, STORAGE AREAS, CHANGING ROOMS, THERE WILL BE A SCHOOL, A SURFING SCHOOL, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, A BREWERY, OUTDOOR TERRACE WITH A BAR, LAWN TERRACE AND AN AMPHITHEATER FOR A TOTAL OF THREE FLOORS AND ROOF TOP AREA. I'LL SHOW YOU THE PICTURE AND THE SUBSEQUENT SLIDE.

AGAIN, THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING WHICH IS COMPARATIVE FOR THE SURF GARDEN AND THEN THE SURF PODS WHICH ARE 28 UNITS, 14, WHICH ARE TWO STORIED. THE TOTAL FLOOR AREA, IS PROVIDED .6 -- RATHER .26. AND TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE WITH THIS PHASE IS JUST UNDER 76,000.

PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED. 160 AND 190 ARE BEING PROVIDED. SHOWN ABOVE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE HUB. AND IT IS ACTUALLY THE ELEVATION RATHER AND THE MATERIALS FOR IT.

WHICH DESCRIBES THE ELEMENTS OF THOSE ELEVATIONS. THE ARCHITECTURE FOR BOTH WILLOW LAKES AND THE SURF POD, WHICH I WILL BE SHOWING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES, ARE BOTH VERY CONTEMPORARY IN NATURE. THE HUB ITSELF, THOUGH, CREATES A LOOK AND FEEL AS THOUGH THE BUILDING IS A WAVE. IT IS VERY CREATIVE. THE NUMBER OF USES I INDICATED ARE PROPOSED WITHIN THE HUB THAT WILL CATER ONLY TO THE SPORTS ENTHUSIAST BUT RESIDENTS AND TOURISTS ALIKE. AND TO GO THROUGH -- A FEW OF THE SLIDES, YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE PROPOSED FOR EVERY LEVEL OF THIS BUILDING. THIS IS THE FIRST GRADE LEVEL HERE AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WILL BE SOME SERVICE AREAS, THE SURF SHOP, AND SOME RECEPTION AREA AND OUTDOOR STORAGE. AND A STAGING AREA. LEVEL 2 WILL CONSIST OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE, KITCHEN, STAFF OFFICES, SOME FLEX SPACE. THE SCHOOL WILL BE ON THIS LEVEL. AND SOME AREAS FOR CHANGING AND RESTROOM FACILITIES.

THE LEVEL 3 WILL CONTAIN THE BREWERY AREA AND OUTSIDE DINING. THERE WILL BE A LAWN TERRACE WITH OPPORTUNITIES FOR AMPHITHEATER AND MUSIC. AND THIS BERM, WHICH IS VERY CREATIVE AS IT BRINGS YOU DOWN TO THE GROUND LEVEL. AND HERE IS THE ROOF LEVEL.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE SURF PODS OR LENAIS PROPOSED TO SERVE AS HOTEL SUITES.

YOU CAN SEE THEY'RE VERY CREATIVE. AGAIN, HAS THAT CONTEMPORARY LOOK AND FEEL. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS THROUGHOUT THE SITES, PROPOSES AN ABUNDANCE OF NATIVE PLANTS MATERIAL SUCH AS GUMBO LIMBOS SEA CREATES, THE PINK TREE AND LIVE OAKS AND MAPLES WHICH ARE VERY INDICATIVE OF A COASTAL COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING FOR THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE WHOLE WILLOW LAKES COMMUNITIES. TO GO THROUGH THE SURF PODS, I'LL DO THIS QUICKLY.

THIS IS ACTUALLY THE WAVE POOL LEVEL. THIS IS THE WAVE POOL AND ALL OF THE LENAIS OR HOTEL SUITES LOOK ON THAT LEVEL. THE SECOND LEVEL HAS THE SAME LOOK AND FEEL WITH THE BALCONY. AND THIS IS THE ROOF TOP, WHICH IS A VERY CONTEMPORARY ROOF DESIGN. TECHNICAL REVIEW, COMMITTEE DID REVIEW.

ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS COMMENTED. ALL OF THE COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT. STAFFS ANALYST IS THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE PD IS CONSISTENT AND FURTHER THE GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE PLAN.

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WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PE PERMIT PURSUANT TO BUILDING CODE, A MITIGATION PLAN AND A FINAL MITTATION PLAN WILL BE APPROVED BY STAFF. PER THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, A CERTIFYING LETTER OF COMPLETION, BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, AND A LANDSCAPE BOND SHALL BE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY STAFF. LASTLY PRIOR TO CITY COMMISSION APPROVAL, INCORPORATE THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE P.D. REGULATIONS INTO THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE.

PLANNING BOARD ACTIONS APPROVE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.

APPROVE WITH CHANGESES TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION OR DISAPPROVE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS

AS WELL AS THE APPLICANTS. THEY ARE HERE AS WELL. >> FRANK CREYAUFMILLER, CHAIR:

QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD? >> YES. ON PAGE 6 AND A COUPLE OF OTHER PLACES, THERE'S A REFERENCE MADE TO TRANSPARENT HATCH. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE REFERENCE TO THAT WORD, I HAD NO IDEA -- IT IS SUPPOSED TO COVER AREAS NOT BEING CONSTRUCTED FIRST. BUT THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY THING THAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND

THAT SHOWS WHAT IT IS, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, HOW IT WORKS. >> IF I MAY, CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBER BAKER, HATCHING IS WHAT IS SHOWN HERE. SO IT IS A TERM USED TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CERTAIN TYPES OF -- CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF DESIGN.

IN THIS CASE, IT IS WHAT I TALKED ABOUT WHEN IT IS MORE FADED OUT.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS SLIDE, THE DARKER YELLOW, WHICH CONC CONCLUDES -- INCLUDES THE HUB, THE SURF PODS AND THE MAINTENANCE BUILDING AND PORTIONS OF THE PARKING AREA ARE WHAT IS BEING CONSTRUCTED NOW WITH PHASE 1B.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE ARE LIGHTER AS THE APPLICANT CALLS THEM HATCHED.

I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE STATE THAD IN THE IN THE PLANNING BOARD WHAT THAT MEANS.

THOSE ARE COMING OUT, WHETHER IN PHASE B OR PHASE TWO. >> WHAT IS A TRANSPARENT HATCH?

>> THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YOU CAN STILL SEE IT. BUT IT IS A WAY THAT YOU -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY -- OKAY. WHEN YOU ARE CREATING THE SITE PLAN THROUGH CAD, YOU CAN USE

THIS TOOL, WHICH IS A HATCHING TOOL, TO CHANGE THE COLORS. >> AHH.

>> IT IS NOT A PHYSICAL THING -- >> RIGHT.

IT IS JUST A TOOL IN DESIGN. >> I WAS ENVISIONING SOMETHING YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LIKE THE EGA

>> NO. IT IS A DESIGN TOOL. >> NO.

IT IS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MUCH.

>> FRANK CREYAUFMILLER, CHAIR: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE POSITIONS THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING? CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE

MORE DETAIL NUMBER 3 HOW THAT KIND OF ROLLS OUT? >> ABSOLUTELY, SURE, CHAIRMAN.

BOARD MEMBER BRODERICK. AS PART OF THE APPROVAL ONCE IT GOES TO CITY COMMISSION, WE AS STAFF WILL BE DRAFTING AN ORDINANCE WITH AN AMENDMENT. WHICH YOU DO NOT SEE BEFORE YOU.

WHAT I HAD ATTACHED AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT IS ATTACHMENT ONE IS THE ADOPTING ORDINANCE 2025 THAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2020. WE'LL BE AMENDING THAT ORDINANCE, SO IT WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE NUMBER. AND IT WILL ALSO BE INCLUDING AS PART OF THE DOCUMENT BUT AS AMENDMENT TO IT, THE SITE PLAN FOR PHASE 1A.

AND THE AMENDMENTS TO THE SURF POOL AND THE DEVIATIONS TO BOTH THE PARKING STALL WIDTH AND THE

LINE WIDTH. >> SO THAT'S WHAT IS TRIGGER IT IS THE --

>> CORRECT. AND WE ENVISION THAT EACH PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT WE WILL BE ATTACHING THOSE SITE PLANS TO IT. SO THAT THERE WILL BE AN OVERALL ORDINANCE THAT WILL HAVE ALL OF THE PHASES, MASTER PLAN AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT PHASES.

>> THEIR SITE PLAN IS INDICATING THAT THEY'RE MEETING ALL REQUIREMENTS FOR LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE, THE ONLY DEVIATIONS ARE PARKING STALL WIDTH AND LENGTH

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AND -- >> AISLE. >> AISLE WIDTH, CORRECT?

>> THEY HAVE GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH LANDSCAPING. >> IT CERTAINLY APPEARS TO BE THE CASE. I'M GOOD. THANK YOU

>> FRANK CREYAUFMILLER, CHAIR: OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? NOT HEARING ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> FRANK CREYAUFMILLER, CHAIR: GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> FOR RECORD, LEE BOB -- DATE OF BIRTH BINS, WITH THE LLAW FIM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

>> I GUESS YOU COULD STOP AT THE OFFICE IF YOU WOULD LIKE, JUST LET THEM KNOW I SENT YOU.

>> A FREQUENT FLYER. >> FRANK CREYAUFMILLER, CHAIR: HA HA.

>> I'D JUST LIKE TO START OFF BY THANKING STAFF FOR ALL OF THEIR HARD WORK ON THIS.

IN PARTICULAR, ALL OF THE WORK THAT JENNIFER PUT IN ON THIS, IN HELPING US COME TO THE BOARD TODAY AND GET TO A BOARD MEETING QUICKLY. JUST TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT, WE CAME FORWARD WITH OUR APPROVAL LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS THE OVERALL APPROVAL OF THE PD WITH THE GUIDELINES, GOT THE SET OF GUIDELINES HERE FROM WHAT WE APPROVED BEFORE, SO WITH WHAT MS. HOFF MICER WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE DEVIATIONS, THOSE ARE CHANGES TO THE GUIDELINES, PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT GOING FORWARD WILL GOVERN HOW THE PROJECT IS DEVELOPED.

LIKE I SAID, WE GOT THE APPROVAL LAST YEAR IN OCTOBER. DURING THAT TIME, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK IN THE BACKGROUND. A LOT OF TIMES WHEN PEOPLE DON'T SEE A PROJECT WITH THE PUBLIC, THEY THINK MAYBE THERE'S NOT A LOT GOING ON.

SIMILAR TO WHAT I WAS TELLING YOU WITH THE KINGS LANDING PROJECT AT YOUR LAST MEETING.

THERE'S BEEN A LOT HAPPENING BEHIND THE CEILINGS WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH.

SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMITTING, FPL. THERE'S BIG FPL EASEMENTS TO GO AROUND HERE, WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND THOSE WITH DESIGN. ALSO COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY, WITH MIDWAY ROAD AND GORDY ROAD. THERE'S ALSO OTHER DEVELOPERS HERE THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT, WALTON DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH.

LTC RANCH TO THE SOUTH. WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING WITH THOSE GUYS IN TERMS OF MIDWAY ROAD AND INTERSECTIONS AND ALL OF THAT. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK WITH THE TEAM ON THIS. I HAVE HERE WITH ME TODAY CHAD LABONTE, ONE OF THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. PAUL ISSO, A STAFFER AND PAUL OF THE ENGINEER, GOING TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION FOR YOU AND AT THAT POINT, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO YOUR QUESTIONS CHFRMTHS OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> FRANK CREYAUFMILLER, CHAIR: GO AHEAD, YOU CAN DO THE PRESENTATION. DO YOU NEED TO SIT HERE AT THE TABLE?

>> NO. IT IS OKAY, ACTUALLY. ALL OF THE SLIDES JENNIFER HAS HER -- SO FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS ANDREW SALVAGE WITH BEAU ENGINEERING 19 HUNDRED CORCORPOE BOULEVARD BOCA RATON, FLORIDA. APPRECIATE YOU HAVING ME TODAY. FROM A CIVIL PERSPECTIVE I WANT TO RUN THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGH LEVEL ELEMENTS FOR DESIGN, ESPECIALLY FOR WATER, SEWER AND STORM WATER FOR OUR PROJECT. SO I'LL START OFF WITH WATER AND SANITARY SEWER.

AS WE ALL KNOW THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR EACH PROJECT THAT WE WORK ON.

SO BULLAR, AS THE ENGINEER HAS BEEN COORDINATING WITH ST. LUCIA COUNTY FOR THE UTILITY EXPANSIONS THAT ARE BEING DISCUSSED ALONG MIDWAY ROAD THAT OUR SITE WILL BE TAPPING INTO FOR BOTH WATER SANITARY AND SEWER CONNECTIONS. FOR WATER, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAP INTO THE WATER MAINS ALONG MIDWAY. AND THEN BE BROUGHT INTO OUR SITE FOR POTABLE WATER AND FOR FIRE PROTECTION, BOTH FOR THE BUILDING SPRINKLERS AND ALSO WITH THE FIRE HYDRANTS AS WELL THROUGHOUT THE SITE. FOR SANITARY SEWER.

ALL OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING WILL FLOW VIA GRAVITY TO AN ON SITE LIFT STATION.

AND THEN FROM THERE, THE LIFT STATION WILL FORCE MAIN TO TIE INTO THE PROPOSED LIFT STATION ALONG MIDWAY ROAD THAT WE'RE RECORDING WITH ST. LUCIE FACILITIES.

ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND THEN FOR STORM WATER, WE'LL BE MEETING ALL OF THE ON SITE REQUIREMENTS FOR WATER QUALITY, EXTRATION, BIO TRACTION, BIO CELLS BEFORE OUR PROJECT FLOWS DOWNSTREAM TOWARDS THE ON SITE LAKE JUST NORTH OF OUR DEVELOPMENT. WHICH WE WILL THEN INSTALL A CONTROLLED STRUCTURE LIMIT THE

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THERE AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> ANY DISCHARGE TO THE CANAL,

WHERE DOES THAT CANAL FLOW TO? >> IT GOES TOWARDS THE -- IT IS THE ST. LUCIE RIVER, I BELIEVE,

EVENTUALLY. YEAH. >> WHAT IS THE NUMBER ON THAT

CANAL, DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND? >> DO YOU KNOW, PAUL? >> I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF

MY HEAD. >> THAT'S OKAY. IT'S LOOK IT UP ON THE MAP.

>> I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS ON HERE. >> DO YOU HAVE IT IN HERE.

>> NO. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. IT IS JUST ON THE NORTH SIDE OF

THE LAKE. I FORGET THE NAME OF IT, THOUGH. >> IT IS NOT GOING TO THE

LAGOONS. >> IT IS -- I THINK EVENTUALLY WILL.

>> EVENTUALLY MAKE ITS WAY TOWARDS THE RIVER. >> TOWARDS THE ST. LUCIE RIVER.

>> OKAY. I WAS JUST WANT TO BE CERTAIN WE'RE NOT DUMPING ADDITIONAL

WAT WATERS TOWARD -- >> NO NO NO.

ACTUALLY, MEANT -- I FORGOT TO MENTION -- >> FOR AN AREA THAT IS ALONG JENKINS ROAD AND DOWN ALONG OKEECHOBEE ROAD, THE OLD SUNSHINE MALL AREA GETS FLOODED.

I THINK THIS IS FURTHER -- >> MISSIONS ACTUALLY DOES THIS. IT ACTUALLY OUT FALLS TO THAT CANAL CURRENTLY. SO WE'LL BE FOLLOWING THE SAME CONDITIONS.

>> OKAY. YOU MENTIONED ST. LUCIE COUNTY IS PROVIDING POTABLE WATER AND

SEWER TREATMENT FOR YOU? >> CORRECT. >> IT IS NOT GOING INTO FPA AT

ALL? >> CURRENTLY THAT IS HOW -- THEY'RE UNDER THEIR --

THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION. >> THAT'S NO MAN'S LAND OUT THERE OR HAD BEEN THE COUNTY IN FOUR PERIODS JUST KINDS OF OVERLAP ALL OVER THE PLACE, ISN'T IT?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. >> SO WE'RE COORDINATING WITH

THEM FOR THOSE SECTIONS ON MIDWAY ROAD. >> OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO. >> NOT SEEING ANY.

>> APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS? >> NO, SIR, THAT'S IT.

WE'RE EAGER TO GET YOUR APPROVAL WITH OUR FIRST PHASE AND MOVE FORWARD.

>> I VHAVE A QUESTION CONCERNIN THE WAVE POOL. IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, AND I THINK THIS IS ALMOST A YEAR AGO THAT WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION; ISN'T THAT RIGHT?

>> THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. >> I VAGUELY REMEMBER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WAVE POOL REGULATIONS THAT REGULATED THE A SWIMMING POOL AND THE DIFFICULTY YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE OR THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE WORKING WITH THE STATE TO TRY TO DRAFT A NEW REGULATION FOR A WAVE POOL.

>> YES, YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY. WE ACTUALLY GOT A CHANGE IN THE STATUTES AT THE STATE TO ALLOW FOR -- TO ALLOW FOR POOLS SPECIFICALLY FOR SURFING UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS.

AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT THE SURF POOL GUIDELINES THAT M MS. HOFMEISTER MENTIONED ARE. BUT PURSUANT TO THE STATUTE WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT IF YOU ARE DOING A WAVE POOL AND YOU ARE GOING THROUGH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS IT CAN BE REGULATED BY THE MUNICIPALITY. THROUGH THAT PROCESS, BY CREATING GUIDELINES INCORPORATION WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.

WE CAME UP WITH THESE GUIDELINES BETWEEN -- WORKING BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND FLEMENT STAFF AND DIRECTED GUIDELINES IT TEAL DEALS -- IT TAKES SOME OF THE REGULATIONS OUT OF SWIMMING POOLS, FOR CERTAIN THINGS LIKE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE MORE SLOPE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL.

YOU NEED MORE SLOPE ON THE BOTTOM OF THE POOL IF YOU WANT THE WAVE TO BREAK.

OR HOW TO KEEP THE WATER CLEAN. IT ALLOWS US TO USE OTHER TECHNOLOGIES OTHER THAN JUST KEEPING A HIGH LEVEL OF CHLORINE IN THE POOL. WHICH IS HARD TO DO WHEN WAVE ACTION DISSIPATES THE CHLORINE. SO IT ADDRESSES HOW THE POOL IS BUILT, SAFETY, OPERATION, CHEMISTRY, ALL OF THOSE KIND OF THINGS ARE ADDRESSED IN THE REGULATIONS.

AND THOSE WILL ACTUALLY BECOME A PART OF THE REGULATIONS. IT ALSO INCLUDES INSPECTIONS AS WELL. SO THE CITY STAFF, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH STAFF CAN GO OUT AND

INSPECT AND MAKE SSURE REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING LMET. >> OKAY.

WAS IT DIFFICULT? >> UM, YEAH, IT TOOK SOME TIME TO GET THROUGH THOSE AND GET

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BUT IT WAS TIME CONSUMING. >> OKAY. >> LEARNED A LOT ABOUT POOL

CHEMISTRY. >> PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU WANTED TO.

>> A QUESTION. >> YES. >> DID ANY OF THE WAVE POOLS THAT WE HAD IN THE REST OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, LIKE THE RAPIDS IN WEST PALM BEACH AND ORLANDO WITH DISNEY, WERE THEY ANYTHING THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO HELP GUIDE YOURSELF THROUGH?

>> THIS IS REALLY COMPLETELY SPRAMENT FROM THOSE AND SEPARATE FROM THE WAY THOSE WERE APPROVED. AND IT IS FUNNY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGULARS FOR -- REGS FOR POOLS AND WAVE POOLS, THERE'S STUFF IN THE STATUTE THAT THEY MUST HAVE GOTTEN PASSED WHEN THEY DID SOME OF THEIR PROJECTS IN THE PAST THAT DOESN'T REALLY FIT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

THERE'S ONE THERE THAT I THINK WAS DOWN BY WET AND WILD MANY YEARS AGO.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REGS, THEY'RE KIND OF A HODGEPODGE OF DIFFERENT THINGS CREATED FOR DISNEY AND OTHER OPERATORS. BUT WHAT WE DID IS REALLY UNIQUE AND WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT

FITS FOR THIS SPECIFIC PLAN. >> HMM. VERY GOOD.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. FOR THE PARKING THAT YOU ALL ARE DESIGNATING FOR THE PARK, IS IT EXCLUSIVE TO THE PARK OR IS IT AVAILABLE FOR THE OTHER PARKS IN DEVELOPMENT?

>> WELL, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN AND THE WAY IT IS SHADED NOW, THE PARKING AREA THAT IS SHOWN ON THERE IS REALLY INTENDED FOR SERVING THE HUB AND THE WAVE PARK.

BUT THEN THERE'S I THINK -- SO THAT'S IN THE UPPER LEFT CORNER. THAT IS REALLY TO SERVE THE HUB BUILDING AND PATRONS OF THE SURF PARK. BUT IN THE AREAS THAT ARE THE LIGHTER HATCHING, YOU CAN SEE THOSE AREAS ARE FOR FUTURE USES THAT WOULD BE WITHIN MAKING A PHASE 1B. SO THAT NORTH, SOUTH ROAD. WHAT WE CALL THE STRAND, THOSE ARE GOING TO BE RETAIL ALONG THERE. AND YOU CAN SEE OTHER PARKING THAT WOULD SERVE OTHER RETAIL, NOT JUST RETAIL. BUT RETAIL RESTAURANTS, COFFEE SHOPS, DIFFERENT USES LIKE THAT. SO THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING AS WELL.

ON STREET PARKING ON THE STRAND. AND THEN UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THERE'S A FUTURE HOTEL BUILDING THERE, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY SHADED WHICH HAS ANOTHER PARKING.

OF COURSE WHEN IT IS ALL UP AND RUNNING, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE OVERLAP IN TERMS OF WHERE PEOPLE PARK AND WALK UP TO. BUT WHAT IS INTENDED THERE IS TO SERVE THE INITIAL USE.

THE PLAN IS TO DO THE WAVE PARK FIRST, THAT'S WHAT ANCHORS EVERYTHING ELSE AND WHAT BRINGS

EVERYBODY TO THE PROJECT. >> THANK YOU. >> GORDY ROAD IS -- THERE WAS A LOT OF VERBIAGE OF GORDY ROAD. THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY A ROAD NOW, IS IT -- I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH

IT BEING THERE. >> THERE -- THERE IS A PAVED SECTION THERE.

IT IS -- IT IS COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING IT ABANDONED BY THE COUNTY. WE'RE GOING THROUGH THEIR FORMAL ABANDONED PROCESS. BECAUSE WE WANT GORDY ROAD TO -- WE WANT TO CONTROL GORDY ROAD. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN IT. WE WANT TO LANDSCAPE IT.

WE WANT TO CONTROL IT. IT ALSO CONTINUES -- THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT CONTINUES NORTH OF THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY ACTUALLY DEAD ENDS WITHIN OUR PROPERTY.

AND THEN THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT GOES FURTHER UP INTO THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH.

SO WE WOULD BE IMPROVING ALL OF THAT. AND CARRYING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH, TO MAKE IT A REAL ROAD. AND THEN CONNECT DOWN INTO ONE OF OUR MAIN ENTRANCES IN MIDWAY.

>> BUT YOU RATHER THAT IT DID NOT SERVICE THE PROPERTY THROUGH YOUR NORTH? . NO. WE WERE ACTUALLY COORDINATING

WITH WALTON TO THE NORTH. >> OKAY. >> AND HAVE ENTERED ENTERED -- WE'VE -- WE WORKED OUT AN EASEMENT WITH THEM. A CANOE EASEMENT, THAT WOULD KEEP THE NEW GORDY ROAD ALIGNMENT. BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO ALIGN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY WHEN WE LAY IT OUT. BUT GIVE THEM A NEW EASEMENT OVER THE NEW GORDY ROAD ALL THE WAY UP INTO THEIR PROPERTY SO THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE

CONNECTIONS INTO THEIR PROPERTY. >> SO YOU WOULD BE INVITING THEIR TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THIS

SUM ROAD THAT WOULD BECOME MORE OF A PRIVATE ROAD TO Y'ALL. >> RIGHT.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A TRUCK ROUTE, FOR EXAMPLE. RIGHT NOW, THE WALTON PROPERTY IS APPROVED FOR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL. ALTHOUGH I THINK IT IS -- GIVEN THE WAY THE MARKET IS GOING, IT SEEMS UNLIKELY THAT THAT IS WHAT IT WINDS UP BEING.

JUST IN CASE AS PART OF THE EASEMENT THAT WE ENTERED INTO, THEY AGREED THAT THEY WOULD NOT

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BUT AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL TRAFFIC, THAT IS FINE. THEY HAVE -- THEY HAVE TWO OTHER ENTRANCES WHERE THEY COULD BRING MOST OF THEIR TRAFFIC THROUGH. SO I THINK THIS WOULD REMAIN KIND OF A BACK ROAD, IN TERMS OF THEIR ACCESS. THEY HAVE TWO OTHER ENTRANCES FURTHER WEST. ONE IS 100 FOOT WIDE EASEMENT RUNNING SOUTH.

AND ART MATERIAL A THAT CONNECTS TT RANCH TO THE SOUTH. THOSE BOTH CONNECT INTO THEIR

PROPERTY. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> YES. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TWO HOTELS. DO YOU HAVE COMMITMENTS FROM

ANYBODY FOR EITHER OR BOTH OF THEM? >> NOT AT PRESENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT HEARING ANY, I WOULD JUST LIKE A CLARIFICATION ON THE NARROWING OF THE PARKING SPACES. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF?

>> CHAIRMAN, IT DEPENDS WHERE THE DEVELOPMENT IS. WHAT WE HAVE MORE ON THE CORRODE RIGHT NOW IS MORE OF A SETTLEMENT STANDARD. THE ONE BEING PROPOSED HERE IS A NEWER STANDARD VERY COMMON DOWN SOUTH AND THIS DEVELOPMENT REFLECTS THAT KIND OF MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, LOWER SPEEDS. A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN, REALLY CATERING TO THE PEDESTRIAN.

AND IT IS JUSTIFIED ENGINEERING -- >> THAT'S A STANDARD FORMAT.

I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THE -- >> MANY CITIES DON'T HAVE 26 ANY MORE.

THE STANDARD IS 24. >> IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. I DRIVE A SMALLER CAR.

SMALLER THAN I USED TO DRIVE. SO OKAY, VERY GOOD. >> MOTION WE APPROVE WITH THE

COMMISSION. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. TO APPROVE WITH THREE CONDITIONS.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MR. BRODERICK. >> YES.

>> MR. ALBURY. >> YES. >> MR. BURDGE?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MS. JOHNSON-SCOTT? >> YES.

>> MS. BAKER. >> YES. >> MS. CLEMENS.

>> YES. >> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER. >> YES, MA'AM.

>>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I'M STILL NOT QUITE USED TO THAT.

ONLY BEEN ON THERE A YEAR. IT TAKES ME TIME. DIRECTOR'S REPORT.

>> I DO NOT HAVE ONE THIS AFTERNOON. >> OKAY.

>> NO SURPRISE THERE. A LITTLE BUSY. >> I'D LIKE TO FIRST THANK ALL

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IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS ALMOST A BY WEEKLY OCCURRENCE THAT WE COME TO THE COMMISSIONER CHAMBERS.

AND I APPRECIATE AND I KNOW MS. HOAOFMEISTER APPRECIATES TH WORK THAT YOU DO ON THIS BOARD.

I'D LIKE TO JUST REMIND YOU THAT WHEN WE GET OUR PACKETS, THAT THEY'RE COMING EARLIER NOW THAT THEY'RE ON TTHE COMPUTER. TWO -- EVEN IF YOU GO BY A SITE EVERY DAY BACK AND FORTH TO WORK, OR TO THE GROCERY STORE, WHATEVER, GO AND LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF APPLICATION.

BECAUSE YOU'D BE LOOKING AT IT WITH AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT EYE. I NOTICE THINGS SOMETIMES THAT I DON'T GENERALLY NOTICE. GORDY ROAD, I KNEW THAT IT WAS THERE.

BUT I ALSO KNEW THAT IT DIDN'T REALLY GO ANYWHERE. AND THEN I STARTED READING ALL OF THE VERRIAGE BACK AND FORTH OF GORDY ROAD AND WALTON RANCH, WANTING TO USE GORDY ROAD SO ON AND SO ON. I'M THINKING OKAY. TERMS OF QUESTIONS WE HAD A LITTLE GO AROUND HERE, NOT TOO LONG AGO, ON QUESTIONS, I' ALWAS PROMOTE THAT EVERYBODY ASKS QUESTIONS. THE DIFFICULTY THAT THIS CHAIR HAS HAD OVER THE PAST EIGHT

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AND THAT ONLY -- THAT PUTS THE BURDEN ON WHERE TO CONTROL WHERE WE ARE AT LEGALLY AND TODAY THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THAT WE HAVE TO BE MORE CONSCIOUS OF THE LEGAL IMPACT, POTENTIAL LEGAL IMPACTS. THAT PUTS A BURDEN ON THIS CHAIR.

AND IF I MAKE ERRORS, IN THAT JUDGMENT CALL REGARDING ANYTHING THAT I HEAR THAT MIGHT TAKE US INTO A FUZZY AREA OF A POTENTIAL LEGAL ISSUE RARITY ON DOWN THE ROAD, I'LL APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE.

BUT I CAN'T SIT HERE AND ALLOW CONVERSATION TO START GOING OFF OF CENTER IF I CONSIDER THAT IT COULD TAKE US INTO A FUZZY AREA IN THE LEGAL STANDPOINT. I HAVE HAD A RECENT CONVERSATION WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY. AND SHE APPEARED TO BE SURPRISED THAT WE DID NOT HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL ON THIS BOARD. AND HER RECOLLECTION OF WHAT SHOULD'VE HAPPENED WAS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WHO WAS ASSIGNED TO THE -- I HOPE I'M NOT GETTING HER IN HOT WATER.

NOT THE MAGISTRATE, OUR CITY ATTORNEY. THAT WAS ASSIGNED TO THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD, WOULD'VE ALSO BEEN ASSIGNED TO REPLACE HER SEAT ON THIS BOARD.

AND THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. SHE WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT WE HAD NOT HAD LEGAL

RECOMMENDATION. >> IF I MAY, CHAIRMAN, JUST TO ELABORATE ON THAT, BECAUSE YOU ARE RIGHT, AND WHEN OUR CURRENT CITY ATTORNEY DID GET OFF OF OUR BOARD AND ALL OF THE OTHER BOARDS, STAFF WAS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. AND THE HISTORIC RESERVATION IS A QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD. AND WE ARE NOT. HOWEVER, WE HAVE BEEN TAKING ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING OUR MEETING LAST MONTH, I FEEL THE SAME WAY AS YOU.

AND SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW. AND I -- WHETHER WE WILL HAVE REPRESENTATION AND THE SAME ONE WHO SERVED RIGHT NOW, SHE'S THE SPECIAL IMMAGISTRATE AND DOES SERVE ON OUR QUASI JUDICIAL BOARDS. NOT ONLY HISTORICAL RESERVATION BUT WHEN WE MEET WITH THE BOARD OF JUSTICE, BECAUSE WE MEET REGULARLY ON THAT, REALLY DEPENDS ON IF THERE'S VARIANCES. FOR THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IF YOU LIKE ME TO LOOK INTO THAT

FURTHER, I WILL. >> I WOULD. AND I'M ALSO LOOKING INTO IT FURTHER. I LIKE ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO SPEAK WITH THE COMMISSIONERS

WHO APPOINTED YOU, TAKE IT UP WITH THEM. >> SURE.

I THINK YOU REMEMBER THAT A FORMER CITY ATTORNEY SUGGESTED THAT WE NOT HAVE A LEGAL -- LEGAL FROM THE CITY'S ASPECT. AND AS FAR AS THE CITY IS CONCERNED. BECAUSE OF THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT IT WOULD HAVE.

AND IT WAS ALSO POINTED OUT THAT OUR REPRESENTATIVE IS THE DIRECTOR.

AND SHE IS THE ONE WHO CONTROLS THIS BOARD, NOT THE -- AND WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THE ASPECT OF LEGAL MAKING -- PLANNING SUGGESTIONS TO US. ONE OF THE REASONS MR. WALKER IS NOT HERE. BECAUSE I WOULD SUGGEST BRINGING HIM BACK.

BECAUSE HE WAS VERY VALUABLE IN A LOT OF THINGS OTHER THAN JUST LEGAL.

BUT THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU GO BACK AND RESEARCH, THE CITY MADE THAT DETERMINATION.

WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ASKED THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. AND THE CITY FOREGO US TO HAVE THE LEGAL RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE IT IS NOT NECESSARY WHEN WE HAVE THE -- SHE IS OUR

REPRESENTATIVE. >> IF I MAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

WHEN IT COMES TO THE REASON WHY RIGHT NOW WE DO HAVE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SITTING ON QUASI JUDICIAL, THERE WAS A NEED FOR THAT AND THERE WAS A PERCEIVED COMING DUPLICATE OF INTEREST -- CONFLICT OF INTEREST, THAT'S WHY OUR REPRESENTATIVE AS A CITY ATTORNEY WAS REMOVED FROM THAT POSITION, THAT ROLE BECAUSE THE CITY ATTORNEY, OUR PREVIOUS ONE AND OUR CURRENT ONE, THEN SERVES AT THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND THERE WAS PERCEIVED CONFLICT BY SITTING ON A BOARD. NOW, WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING YOU ARE CONTROLLED BY REDUCE OF ORDER YOU'RE NOT -- THERE'S SOME INTERPRETATION AS TO WHETHER WE

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OR DIRECTING ME TO DO THAT, RATHER. >> THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY THREE DIFFERENT CITY ATTORNEYS, CONCERNING THE ETHIC DISCUSSION, WAS SIMPLY ON THE FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY REPRESENTS THE COMMISSION AND THEREFORE THE CITY'S ATTORNEY OFFICE SHOULD NOT REPRESENT THE INDEPENDENT CITIZENS BOARDS, WHETHER THEY WERE QUASI JUDICIAL OR OURSELF IS NOT. BUT I NEVER HAVE GOTTEN ANY DISCUSSION FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE AT ANY TIME THAT SUGGESTED THAT THEY DIDN'T AGREE, THAT AN ATTORNEY SHOULD BE SITTING WITH THIS BOARD. WE VERY OFTEN HAVE QUESTIONS OF LEGAL ISSUES THAT COME UP. AND IF I DON'T ADDRESS IT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO.

AND NEITHER ONE OF US ARE ATTORNEYS. >> CORRECT, SIR.

>> AND I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ADDRESSING A POTENTIAL LEGAL ISSUE.

I'M EVEN MORE UNCOMFORTABLE IF I FEEL THAT THERE'S A POTENTIAL LEGAL ISSUE THAT WE'RE GETTING INTO A FUZZY AREA. AND WE DON'T ADDRESS IT. I'M MORE UNCOMFORTABLE NOT ADDRESSING IT. SO I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF -- WHAT'S THE PHRASE? I JUST LOST THE WORD. ERR ON THE SIDE OF GOOD JUDGMENT. BUT THAT IS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT I'M NOT OPEN FOR ANYBODY ASKING

QUESTIONS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I THINK WE DO NEED LEGAL REPRESENTATION THERE ARE THINGS THAT COME UP THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE THE TRAINING OR ANSWER TO UNSLOWLY. SO IN ORDER TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION, WHY NOT HAVE THAT REPRESENTATION? I THINK IT IS A PROTECTION FOR

ALL OF US AND FOR WHAT THE BOARD DOES. >> PROTECTION FOR THE CITY.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE ELSE?

>> YES. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TRY TO ORGANIZE A CITY SPONSORED WORK FORCE HOUSING PROJECT THAT WOWOULD BE ESTABLISHED AND SUPPORTED BY ALL OF THESE NEW DEVELOPERS WHO COULD CONTRIBUTE, IF NOT FINANCIALLY, APT LEAST THEIR EXPERTISE BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE MARVELOUS NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING INTO THE CITY THAT REQUIRE A LOT OF PEOPLE TO WORK IN THEM AND THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO LIVE. AND WITH THE LAND THAT IS NOW STILL AVAILABLE AND GROWING SMALLER, WITHIN THE SCITY, THER SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY SHOULD DO ABOUT WORK FORCE

HOUSING. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> WE'RE ADJOURNED

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