Jan 10, 2022 City Commission Conference Agenda

[1. Call to Order]

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TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CONFERENCE AGENDA. IT IS MONDAY MORNING, JANUARY 10, 2022. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE I

HAVE ALY BEGAN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE NATION FOR AT WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.

WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: BE

[a. Parking Committee Recommendations]

PRESENT. >> THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PARKING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMS. >> NICK MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATOR TO PRESENT THE LATEST RECOMMENDATIONS FROM

THE GROUP. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO IS GOING FIRST.

>> GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

SEVERAL MATTERS THAT COME UP TO THE PARKING COMMITTEE FOR RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

THE FIRST OF WHICH IS A REQUEST BY THE FORT PIERCE CHIEF OF POLICE TO DESIGNATE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT USE IN THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE C CITY'S PARKING GARAGE.

ONE PARKING SPACE WILL BE LOCATED NEAR THE ENTRANCE DESIGNATED FOR 30-MINUTE PARKING AND OTHER LOCATED AVENUE A IN THE FIRST PARKING SPOT ON THE LEFT.

ANY POLICE OFFICER VISITING CITY HALL MUST USE DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES FIRST IF AVAILABLE.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF BACK ITEMS TO CONSIDER IN THIS REQUEST. AND IT IS OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE THAT THE REQUEST WAS GENERATED FOR COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PURPOSES. ONE, IS TO HAVE HIGH EXPOSURE LOCATION FOR POLICE VEHICLES THAT ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA. OBVIOUSLY THE ACCESS INTO THE PARKING GARAGE AND VISIBILITY OF THE PARKING GARAGE IS AN ADDED BENEFIT TO THAT, BUT THE PRIMARY REASON IS EASY AND QUICK ACCESS INTO BOTH THOROUGHFARES INTO THE DOWNTOWN AREA SO THE CARS CAN CAMP OUT THERE IN ESSENCE WHILE OFFICERS ARE IN DUTY AND ALSO IF THEY WERE GOING TO BE VISITING CITY HALL, THOSE WILL BE DESIGNATED SPACES FOR POLICE PARKING ONLY.

NOW ONE QUESTION THAT THAT DID ARISE BECAUSE OF THIS WAS THE SITUATION WITH THE 30-MINUTE PARKING SPOT THAT IS CURRENTLY THE SECOND SPOT IN, ADJACENT TO THE HANDICAP SPOT ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE GARAGE NEAR THE ENTRANCE TO CITY HALL.

JUST A SIMPLE VIEW OF THE PARKING LAYOUT.

IT MADE SENSE TO HAVE THAT 30-MINUTE SPOT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE CORRIDOR TO THE OTHER WALL AND JUST AS CONVENIENT.

AND THIS IS REQUEST BY THE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR UTILIZATION OF THESE TWO SP SPACES.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE 30-MINUTE SPOT WAS THE MAYOR'S SPOT ORIGINALLY WHEN I BECAME MAYOR AND I DID NOT WANT A PARKING SPOT. I GAVE -- I WANTED THAT TO BE CONVENIENT FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO BUSINESS QUICKLY.

AND -- IN CITY HALL. SO -- SINCE IT IS NO LONGER MINE TO GIVE UP, I WOULD LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING IT ACROSS THE WAY MAKES IT EQUALLY AS CONVENIENT.

WHAT I DIDN'T WANT IS PEOPLE TO COME IN TO THE GARAGE AND CONSTANTLY SEE A PRIME PARKING PLACE THAT THEY COULDN'T PARK -- THAT SOMEBODY COULDN'T USE. BUT IF IT IS CLEARLY MARKED FOR POLICE, I -- I FEEL LIKE THAT -- THAT -- NOT ONLY APPROPRIATE, BUT I WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT.

AND I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF INCIDENTS THAT PROMPTED T THIS. AND I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY A GOOD SOLUTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR

DISCUSSION? >> MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THE POLICE DESIGNATION HERE BUT

MOVE THIS ACROSS THE -- >> THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION.

IT IS KIND OF LATE. I OBSERVE THAT THE 30-MINUTE SPOT -- I USE -- KNEW THAT USED TO BE THE MAYOR'S SPOT AND THE 30 MINUTE SPOT IS CONVENIENT AND VERY WELL UTILIZEMY SUGGESTION -- DIDN'T COME FROM THE COMMITTEE -- BUT WALKING THROUGH THE GARAGE MAKES SENSE A WALL TO MOUNT THE SIGNAGE ON IN THE SECOND SPOTS IN FROM THE ENTRANCE WAY.

IT IS JUST RIGHT ACROSS THE AISLE.

>> IT WILL BE ACROSS -- OKAY. >> YOU CAN ALSO GO ON THE OTHER

SIDE. >> COULD YOU MOVE IT DOWN FURTHER ON THAT -- ON THAT SAME SIDE OF THE WALL.

>> MORE OF THE CONVENIENCE OF BEING RIGHT THERE.

SIX OF ONE AND HALF DOZEN OF THE OTHER.

>> I GUESS I AM SIDING WITH THE MAYOR.

LOOKING FOR THE MOST VISIBLE SPOT FOR PEOPLE COMING INTO CITY HALL. QUICK FEW MINUTES.

IN AND OUT REALLY QUICK. WHERE THAT SITS ON THE WALL IS

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SPACE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YEP.

>> I AGREE AND I THINK IT IS WELL UTILIZED.

MOST TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF CITY HALL IS 30 MINUTES OR LESS.

I THINK IT GETS WELL USED. >> WHEREVER IT IS AT, IS FINE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE HIGHLY VISIBLE SPOT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: CLEAR SIGNAGE SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND WHY THAT SPOT IS RESERVED. COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: ALSO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT, BUT THE ONE THING, TOO, IS PARKING SPACES -- ESPECIALLY IN THE FIRST FLOOR -- ARE GETTING RARER AND RARER AND WE ARE FILLING OUR PARKING GARAGE UP.

NOT THAT LONG AGO WHEN THIS COMMISSION TALKED ABOUT NOBODY USES OUR PARKING FACILITY OUT THERE, BUT THAT -- THAT IS A LONG TIME AGO. BUT IF WE DO DESIGNATE THESE TWO SPOTS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ENCOURAGED TO USE THEM FIRST SO YOU ARE NOT SEEING A VACANT PARKING SPOT --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: PRIME. >> PRIME PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE DESIGNATED FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEY ARE PARKING EVERYWHERE THEY WANT. IT IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED.

WE KNOW A LOT OF MECHANICS GOING ON.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE TEN OFFICERS HERE AT CITY HALL FOR SOMETHING AND SOMETIMES WE DON'T. SO JUST SO THAT WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, USING UP A WHOLE LOT MORE SPACE FOR GOVERNMENT VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THE PUBLIC HAS PLENTY OF

ACCESS FOR A PARKING GARAGE. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >> MY PREVIOUS POSITION WITH THE COUNTY I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH OF WATCHING FOLKS AND HOW THEY INTERACT WITH THE GOVERNMENT.

I WATCHED IT HERE AS A COMMISSIONER.

YOU KNOW MY POSITION ON RESERVED PARKING SPACES.

I TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. THIS IS A GOOD CHANCE FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK -- I LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COMMITTEE.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY TWO 30-MINUTE PARKING SPACES.

THAT WOULD INDICATE THE HOURS OF OPERATION.

SOME FOLKS COME IN THE GARAGE AND THEY THINK IT IS RESERVED ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THE PLACARD ON THE GROUND SAYS

"RESERVED." >> MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD POINT.

>> I DON'T HAVE A COMMISSION SPACE.

I UTILIZE THAT AND THIS BOARD AS COMMISSION DESIGNATED ONE OF THE SPACES FOR THE PURPLE HEART.

BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD CHANCE FOR COUPLE OF THINGS.

INCREASE SIGNAGE. OPERATIONS OF OPERATION.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS NOT ON THE SPACE BECAUSE PRIME PARKING FOR THE PUBLIC AND I LOOKED AT FLOOR TWO TO SEE IF WE COULD MOVE IT ONE LEVEL UP AND DO THE CORNER, THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF THE BLACK. FIVE SPACES THAT ARE PERFECT.

IF WE WANTED TO DESIGNATE SPACES FOR THE COMMISSION IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

SO THIS IS AN INCREASED EFFORT. I DON'T WANT TO PUT TOO MUCH ONTO WHAT IS HAPPENING, BUT PUT TIMES ON IT.

I DID THAT AT THE COUNTY WHEN WORKING THERE.

WE ALSO DESIGNATED AREAS THAT WERE PRIME AND ONLY VISITOR SPACE SO AS EMPLOYEES COULDN'T PARK THERE.

I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE OTHER BATTLES THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE. WHILE MR. MIMS HAVE DEDESIGNATED OR INFORMED STAFF, WE LIKE THEM TO PARK ELSEWHERE.

NO REAL REQUIREMENT OF THAT. I THINK IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BIGGER CONVERSATION. NOT A HUGE CHANGE.

I JUST THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB WITH SIGNAGE AND MAYBE RELOCATING SOME OF THESE SPOTS THAT ARE RESERVED ALL THE TIME TO OTHER AREAS IN THE PARKING GARAGE IF WE NEED TO, JUST TO -- TO TELL THE PUBLIC THAT THEY ARE FIRST.

THAT'S ALL. AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT NOW. BUT I KNOW FOLKS DON'T PARK IN THESE SPACES BECAUSE IT SAYS "RESERVED" AND IT DOESN'T TELL THEM ANYTHING ELSE. OTHER THAN SAYING RESERVED ALL THE TIME. SO, AGAIN, THAT IS JUST -- MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO RELOCATE A FEW OF THE SPACES.

INCLUDE THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND MAYBE INCREASE THE SIGNAGE -- EITHER HAVE THE SAME 30-MINUTE PARKING WITH HOURS OF OPERATION OR TWO 30-MINUTE PARKING SPACES.

ONE OF MY CONCERNS -- THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP TOO, CONTRACTORS THAT COME INTO CITY HALL TO PULL PERMITS.

THEY DON'T DRIVE TO THE THIRD FLOOR BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE A BIGGER VEHICLE. THEY JUST DON'T NAVIGATE THE GARAGE TO COME UP TO THE THIRD FLOOR TO PULL A BUILDING PERMIT. THEY PARK ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THEY WILL JUST GET IN THE ELEVATOR, DO THEIR BUSINESS AND COME RIGHT DOWN. MAYBE THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO INCREASE THE VISITOR SPACES.

IT IS AN IDEA. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT. BUT I SEE -- I THINK I

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CUMBERSOME THAT -- >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MAKING THOSE TURNING MONTHS AS YOU GET UP GETS

TIGHTER AND TIGHTER. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I RAN A COUPLE -- NOT LITERALLY BUT ALMOST.

WHAT IS THE FEELING OF THE COMMISSION OF MOVING THOSE PRIME SPOTS TO COMMISSIONERS TO ANOTHER LOCATION?

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I HAVE NO TROUBLE AT ALL. NOT HAVING DESIGNATED SPOTS IS FINE WITH ME. AND THE ONLY THING -- AND THIS IS AN EXPERIENCE I HAD WHEN I FIRST BECAME A COMMISSIONER.

I SAID DON'T GIVE ME ONE BECAUSE I LIKE TO WALK ANYWAY.

BUT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW YOU ARE HERE.

WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR NAME UP ON IT AND YOU ARE ON THE FIRST FLOOR, I KNOW THERE ARE THREE OF US NOW THAT DO OFFICE HOURS AND OPEN DOOR. PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THERE TO SEE IF WE ARE THERE OR NOT. AND I HAD SEVERAL OF THEM NOT COME IN THINKING THAT WE WERE NOT HERE IF I DID NOT PARK IN THAT SPACE. SO IF THERE IS A WAY TO IDENTIFY THAT WE ARE HERE, READY TO GO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ALWAYS THE BIG PLUS. THAT IS WHY WE CHANGED BACK TO IT. THAT WILL BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ALSO. OF COURSE, NOW WE ARE ADDING -- WE ARE STARTING OFF WITH THIS AND NOW WE ARE OUT TO HERE.

JEREMIAH ON A MONDAY. THERE YOU GO, RIGHT.

JEREMIAH ON A MONDAY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: PARKING IS MY NEMESIS AND I AM VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT

PARKING. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AM

TEASING. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: YOU ARE RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: A BIGGER CONVERSATION THAT WE SHOULD DO.

I WOULD RATHER US TO CONCENTRATE ON WHAT IS ON THE CONFERENCE AGENDA WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WE PERHAPS LOOK AT THIS AS A COMPLETE PARKING STRUCTURE FUNCTI FUNCTIONALITY, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE GO THROUGH EACH ONE.

BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE CHANGE A PART IN IT, IT CHANGES THE WHOLE DYNAMIC OF THE PARKING GARAGE.

YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT AND SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT. BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, I BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DEMONSTRATED THE FACT OF A NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT QUICKLY, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY NEED TO BE HERE AND THEY NEED TO BE HERE NOW AND TO HAVE THAT DESIGNATION IS IMPORTANT.

THEN AGAIN TO TAKE THAT TO THE NEXT LEVEL AND LET US TAKE A LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PARKING STRUCTURE AND COME UP WITH A

FUNCTIONAL PLAN. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: FOR ME IF I COULD, A PRETTY SIMPLE MATH.

THREE OR FOUR RESERVED SPACES WE WANT TO ADD TO.

THE EQUATION IS VERY SIMPLE. TAKE -- NO DISRESPECT, TAKE THE COMMISSION SPACES, FIGURE IT OUT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND THAT GIVES US A MASS BALANCE.

WE HAVE TWO PLUS TWO EQUALS FOUR STILL.

AND WE HAVE THE ADDITIONAL SPACES WE NEED AND WE COVERED IT. WE WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT WE

SNEED TO DO SOMETIME. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ANOTHER RECOMMEND DIETITIAN BRING IT BACK TO THE

PARKING COMMITTEE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WAS GOING TO ASK. THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE KNOW THE PARKING GARAGE WILL BE INCREASINGLY USED.

AND WE KNOW AT SOME POINT, PEOPLE WILL BE LOOKING FOR PREMIUM SPOTS ON THE FIFTH FLOOR.

RIGHT NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO LOOK INTO THE FUTURE.

AND ESTABLISH SOME -- IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE RESERVED SPOTS FOR COMMISSIONERS AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE 30-MINUTE -- AND WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY -- LAW ENFORCEMENT IS MORE IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THEN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE IN TERMS OF EMERGENCIES.

I THINK WE ALL THE -- MAYBE THE PARKING COMMITTEE CAN LOOK AT

THAT WHOLE CONCEPT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: SURE. I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION? WE WILL DEAL WITH THIS TODAY.

AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE CONCEPT BY THE PARKING COMMITTEE.

YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I AM OKAY WITH THAT AND I AM OKAY WITH HAVING A CONVERSATION OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE PARKING SPACES.

I HAVE CONCERNS AND RESER RESERVATIONS.

I THINK COMMISSIONER PERONA EXPRESSED THEM WELL.

I AM CERTAINLY OPEN TO IT AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND UNDERSTANDING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT FEEDBACK. WALK IT.

SEE IT. AND SEE WHAT IS PROPOSED.

MY TIME HERE AT CITY HALL IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED BUT I KNOW PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THROUGH TO LOOK TO SEE IF YOU ARE IN THE

BUILDING OR NOT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AREN'T YOU

SCHEDULED? >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I AM SCHEDULED, BUT THINGS HAPPEN.

CREATURES OF HABIT. THEY KNOW IF YOU DRIVE UP THAT

THEY SEE YOUR CAR FOR REAL. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IF THEY DON'T KNOW -- I AM HALF IN JEST. I PARK -- NOBODY KNOWS WHETHER

I'M HERE OR NOT. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT IS TRUE, BUT PART OF T THAT, TOO, MAYOR, IS SAFETY

CONCERNS AS WELL. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

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>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TOO KNOWING THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT I'M HERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ISN'T THAT A CONCERN IN THE OTHER PARKING GARAGE WITH JUDGES. JUDGES HAVE THEIR NAMES ON IT.

AND THAT WAS A SECURITY -- >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

ALWAYS SECURITY CONCERN -- >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THEY MUTT YOUR NAME ON IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT IS TRUE, BUT ONE CONSOLIDATION. IF THAT IS AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS, IT WILL BE KIND OF SOMEWHAT IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA AND HOPEFULLY MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE SECURITY TEAM HERE AT CITY HALL TO DEAL WITH THAT AND MONITOR THE SITUATION.

OKAY. LIKE I SAID, I AM KIND OF THE POINT OF DEAL WITH WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND HAVE THAT COME BACK WITH THE PARKING COMMITTEE COMES BACK.

I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OF THAT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER GAINS, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS?

>> I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD. I AM OPEN TO MOVE AND TO ACCOMMODATE US TO HELP THE PUBLIC AND THE POLICE OFFICERS.

I AM GOOD. >> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT.

GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. OKAY, ALL RIGHTY.

I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON. MR. MIMMS.

>> NICK MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR, JUST FOR CLARITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT APPROVING THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION, ADDING THE TWO RESERVED SPOTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WITHIN THE PARKING GARAGE. HOWEVER, THE 30-MINUTE PARKING, I DID NOT GET CLEAR FEEDBACK. DID THAT GO AWAY? I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT MOVE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES. >> NICK MIMMS: I DON'T KNOW

WHAT THAT MEANS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT MEANS MOVES IT TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE GARAGE.

>> THE SECOND SPOT IN. >> NICK MIMMS: THE SECOND SPOT

IN? >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: A WALL WITH A SIGN ON IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I HEARD SIGNAGE WITH TIME -- DAYS AND TIMES BECAUSE -- ON THE WEE WEEKENDS, PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO PARK IN THOSE PRIME SPOTS BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THE CITY

HALL ISN'T OPEN. >> NICK MIMMS: OKAY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT TIMES ON FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. EVERYBODY AGREED?

>> NICK MIMMS: 30-MINUTE PARK ALSO MOVE TO THE EAST SIDE, SECOND SPOT IN WITH SOME SORT OF TIME INDICATION.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8:00 TO 5:30.

WHEREVER WE ARE. >> NICK MIMMS: OKAY, GOT IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ONE RIGHT NOW BUT ASKING THE PARKING COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER AN ADDITIONAL ONE.

IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT RIGHT? AND ASKING THE PARKING COMMITTEE TO LOOK AT RESERVED SPOTS FOR COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS FOR OTHER RESERVED SPOTS. IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. ARE YOU CLEAR NOW?

>> NICK MIMMS: YES. YES.

MARY MRAIRZ RANSOM, LET'S MOVE ON.

>> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: OH, WAIT, WAIT.

SORRY. I APOLOGIZE.

I WAS CUTTING YOU OFF. [LAUGHTER]

>> MOVING ON THE NEXT SEGMENT OF THIS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE NOT CUTTING YOU OFF.

WE ARE CUTTING OFF JEREMIAH.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MOVE MY BRAIN.

MOVE MY BRAIN TO THE NEXT SUBJECT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: PLEASE GO ON. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: GETTING INTO THE REAL EASY STUFF NOW.

PARKING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE WALKER SCOPE OF WORK OF THE PARKING ANALYSIS. PLEASE SEE THE ATTACHMENT.

THE ATTACHMENT, JUST BRIEFLY, AS WE ARE WELL AWARE, THE WALKER PARKING CONSULTANT GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR YEARS. THEIR LATEST RENDITION OF REPORTS FROM BEEN CRITICAL IN THE ANALYSIS OF THE DOWNTOWN PARKING CONCERNS, PAID PARKING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHICH HAS ALL BEEN PERCOLATING UP; HOWEVER, THE -- THE IMPACTS OF INCREASED BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN AND THE PROPOSED KINGS LANDING PROJECT DRIVES THE PARKING COMMITTEE INTO THE DIRECTION OF DETERMINING THAT DOWNTOWN PARKING QUANTITIES ARE SIMPLY INADEQUATE. IN OTHER WORDS, WE ARE AT OUR MAXIMUM CAPACITY NOW. WE CON SELL PLATE MOVING INTO THE FUTURE THAT WE WILL HAVE PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PARKING SHORTFALLS. THE NUMBERS BEAR THIS OUT.

NOT TO GET WONKY ON YOU BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEW NUMBERS.

THE ENTIRE COMPLEMENT OF DOWNTOWN PARKING BETWEEN CITRUS, SEAWAY, FEDERAL HIGHWAY AND INDIAN RIVER IS 2034 PARKING SPACES, THIS INCLUDES SURFACE LOTS, ON-STREET PARKING AND THE GARAGE. SO OUR MAXIMUM CAPACITY IS 2 2034. WITH THE PROPOSED SALE OF THE HD KING SITE, WE HAVE A NET LOSS OF 89 SPACES IN ONE OF THE SURFACE LOTS THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED AND 114 SPOTS IN A SECOND LOT THAT IS BEING TRANSFERRED WITH THE SALE OF THE HD KING SITE. MOVING OUR NET NUMBER TO 1831

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I HAVE COPIES OF THIS ANALYSIS IF THAT IS HELPFUL FOR YOU.

NOT GENERATED BY THE PARK COMMITTEE BUT MY OWN PIECE OF WORK AND I ACCEPT ANY FAILURES IN IT.

BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I WOULD DISTRIBUTE THAT TO YOU SO YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS THAT I AM REFERRING TO THE PARKING COMMITTEE WANTS THE WALKER FOLKS TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE PARKING NEEDS ARE INTO THE FUTURE.

THIS IS A BIT OF A CHALLENGE, OBVIOUSLY.

AS THEY HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE DEVELOPMENT, IMPACT OF REUSABLE SPACE IN THE DOWNTOWN MARKET AND NEW CONSTRUCTION, ETC.

AND THE KINGS LANDING PROJECT. THE IMPACTS OF THIS IS PLACING A STRESS LEVEL ON THE QUANTITY OF PARKING AND THE USABILITY OF PARKING AND THE -- AND THE MOVEMENT OF PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND SIMPLY PUT, THE PARKING COMMITTEE MASS COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING IS NEEDED.

THE QUANTITY OF PARKING NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED, THE LOCATION OF THE PARKING NEEDS TO BE DETERMINED AND IN OTHER WORDS VERTICAL, PARKING GARAGE OR PARKING GARAGES DEPENDING ON WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE. THE PARKING COMMITTEE IS NOT SKILTD ENOUGH TO GENERATE THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE WALKER PARKING FOLKS BE ENGAGED TO COMPLETE THIS STUDY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

WE BELIEVE THAT THE STUDY IS NEEDED SO THE PARKING COMMITTEE CAN DIGEST THAT AND COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH RECOMMENDATIONS HOW TO ENHANCE DOWNTOWN PARKING MOVING FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE. THE PARKING COMMITTEE HAS A SENSE THAT THERE IS A TIME ISSUE HERE WITH THE ADVENT OF THE PROPOSED KINGS LANDING PROJECT COMING BEFORE YOU SHORTLY AND THE PARKING COMMITTEE FEELS THAT THE CITY NEEDS TO BE ACTING IN CONCERT TO REMEDY THE PARKING SITUATION WHILE KINGS LANDINGING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

NOT ARCH THE FACT. AND SIMPLY PUT.

WE KNOW THAT THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO HAVE STRESS BECAUSE OF A PARKING BEING MINIMIZED DUE TO NET LOSS OF PARKING, BUT ALSO DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE HUNDREDS OF VEHICLES SEEKING PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN MARKET ONCE KINGS LANDING IS BUILT UP. JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT BRIEFLY.

I WON'T GET ON TO THE WEEDS ON THAT BECAUSE I HAVE MORE ANALYSIS WORK IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT.

THE KINGS LAND ALSO HAVE 277 PARKING SPACES ON-SITE.

THEIR OWN INTERNAL REPORTS, WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN KIND ENOUGH TO PROVIDE TO PLANNING, INDICATE THEY HAVE A SHORTFALL -- A NET SHORTFALL OF 550 SPARKING SPACES.

THOSE 550 PARKING SPACES DURING THEIR REPORT WILL BE INFUSED INTO THE DOWNTOWN PARKING MARKET.

THE INTERNAL ANALYSIS OF THEIR SITE PLAN INDICATE THEY HAVE A SHORTFALL OF APPROXIMATELY 460 PARKING SPACES.

ONCE AGAIN, THAT IS GOING BE. DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMBER 460 AND 550 IS THE NEGATIVE IMPACT INTO THE DOWNTOWN MARKET AND NEED GARTOWN. THIS PARKING NEEDS TO BE MANAGED AND THE QUANTITIES NEED TO BE DETERMINED.

THE SPECULATION HAS BEEN THE CITY NEEDS TO INCREASE ITS PARKING CAPACITY BY UP TO 1500 SPACES.

WE DON'T KNOW. UP FOR THE EXPERTS TO FIGURE OUT. THE OTHER THING IS LOCATION OF THAT PARKING. SO THESE ARE THE MOVING PARTS WE NEED THE WALKER PARKING FOLKS TO ANALYZE AND COME BACK WITH SOLID RECOMMENDATIONS TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE PARKING COMMITTEE LOOKED HARD AT IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF PARKING ASSETS ON CITY-OWNED LAND. WE FOCUSED INITIATIVES TO CONCENTRATE ON THAT AND DON'T KNOW THE AVAILABILITY OF COMMERCIAL LAND AND THAT INSTANTLY DRIVES THE PRICES UP.

CITY-OWNED ASSETS ARE THE FIRST PLACE TO START.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE OF 30,450 DOLLARS TO HAVE THIS REPORT COMPLETED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. QUESTIONS?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS OF MR. RODERICK?

DISCUSSION? >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >> MR. BRODERICK, THANK YOU FOR THAT AND YOUR ANALYSIS LOOKING AT SCOPE.

I AGREE WE NEED TO. BUT I GUESS I AM A LITTLE PERPLEXED. I HAVE BEEN ON HERE A YEAR AND WHEN I FIRST GOT ON, I THOUGHT HE WERE UNDERTAKING THE WALKING

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CAN YOU CLEAR THAT UP FOR ME? >> YES, WALKING PARKING ARE DOING A DIFFERENT STUDY. A DIFFERENT SCOPE IN DIFFERENT CAPACITY. THEY WERE DOING A PARKING STUDY FOR OVERALL CONDITIONS. THE PARKING STUDY YOU ARE REFERRING TO IS PAID PARKING AND TRANSITORY PARKING THE

DOWNTOWN MARKET. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: BUT EVEN WITH THAT, DID THEY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO RESOLVE THAT? I THINK IF I AM CORRECT, WE HAD

A SHORTTALL THEN. >> SHORTFALL INDICATES AN EXISTING PROBLEM. IN THIS PARTICULAR STUDY WE ARE ASKING THEM TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

WE KNOW WE NEED PARKING. WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OR WHERE. WE ARE LOOKING TO BE EXTREMELY FINITE TO COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION TO SAY HERE ARE THE BEST RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND THIS IS WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES. SIMPLY PUT, THE ANSWERS ARE, BUILD SIX AND SEVEN STORIES ON THE BISTRO PARKING LOT OR BUILD SIX AND SEVEN PARKING LOTS ON INDIAN DRIVE.

WE ARE NOT EXPERT ENOUGH TO MAKE THE DETERMINATIONS.

WE NEED SOMEONE TO LOOK IN THE FUTURE AND DETERMINE THE QUANTITY OF PARKING NEEDED. ONE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND THE IMPACTS OF THE FORT PIERCE KINGS LANDING PROJECT WAS NOT KNOWN FOR THEIR PARKING NEEDS AND PARKING GARAGE ISSUE WAS NOT RESOLVED UNTIL THIS PAST AUGUST.

ALL THAT INFORMATION HAS COME IN AFTER THE FACT.

ONE OF THE LIMITING FACTORS HERE, CLEARLY, IF YOU -- LET ME DIGRESS ONE SECOND HERE. I DIDN'T WANT TO REALLY BOG YOU DOWN WITH MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF DETAIL; HOWEVER, INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, THE CITY LEASES A LOT ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE CURRENTLY.

SCHEDULE FOR ANNUAL EVERY 12 MONTHS.

ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES THAT WE ARE POTENTIAL POE POTENTIALLY GOING TO LOSE. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE SPECULATION ONCE SHOVELS GO IN THE GROUND FOR KINGS LANDING A HIGHER AND BETTER USE FOR THAT PIECE OF LAND.

WE GO TO 1600 SPACES TO 1500 SPACES AND A NET LOSS OF 315 SPACES ACROSS THE BOARD IN THE DOWNTOWN MARKET.

NOW ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS RELATIVELY NEW NOW THAT WE HAVE THE KINGS LANDING INFORMATION IN FRONT OF US.

TO SUGGEST THAT WALKER HAD THE BENEFIT OF INFORMATION A YEAR AGO WASN'T THE CASE. THIS WAS KIND OF IN THE ETHER WHAT THEY WERE DOING. WE KNEW THERE WOULD BE IMPACT BUT DIDN'T HAVE THE MINUTIA. NOW THAT WE HAVE THE MINUTIA, THE NET LOSS OF DOWN TO 1500 SPACES.

AND THERE IS MORE TO IT. I WILL DIGRESS FURTHER TO SUGGEST THAT AT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD MEETING AND PLANNING MEETING IT WAS DETERMINED BY THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM THEY PLAN TO SEEK 108 SPACES OF OFF-SITE PARKING FOR THEIR HOTEL USE. INQUIRING MINDS WANTED TO KNOW WHERE MIGHT THOSE SPACE BE. AND IT WAS SUGGESTED THEY WOULD ENTER INTO A REVENUE SHARING WITH THE CITY TO UTILIZE SPACE IN THE CITY PARKING GARAGE. THAT IS OUT THERE IN THE ETHER AS WELL. SO VERY -- SEVERAL COMPETING INTERESTS IN TRYING TO SECURE LAND PARKING SPACES, ETC. SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THIS SITUATION TO SUGGEST NOW THAT WE HAVE ALL THIS DATA IN FRONT OF US, IT IS TIME FOR US TO STEP UP AND MAKE A MOVE.

AND WE NEED QUANTIFIABLE INFORMATION TO BRING TO YOU TO

MAKE A SOLID DECISION WITH. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT'S WHERE I AM GOING. AS A COMMISSIONER AND YOU ARE SITTING AND ASKING ME TO LOOK AT A $30,000 EXPENSE.

I WOULD HOPE THAT STAFFING AND US AS THE POLICYMAKERS WOULD LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO NOW MAKE SURE WE ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING THAT IS COMING TO DOWNTOWN, RIGHT.

AND WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS FORT PIERCE WALKER OR I HEAR ANOTHER STUDY FROM WALKER THAT WE FORGOT TO DO THIS AND FORGOT TO DO THAT. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO DO THAT.

I AM A LITTLE RIFFED ABOUT THIS QUITE FRANKLY BECAUSE WE KNEW THIS. WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR SOME TIME DOWN THERE WHY DIDN'T IT FACTOR IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I CAN TELL THAT YOU DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE ARE PRIVILEGED TO KNOW THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE COMING WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE THE IMPACT OF THAT ON DOWNTOWN AND PARKING OF THIS $30,000 ASK THAT ALL THIS IS ANTICIPATED AND THAT WILL BE GIVEN TO US AND MAKE A SOUND POLICY DECISION BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT WILL COME UP TO US HOW WE DETERMINE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN.

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MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS. >> MORE THAN THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MILLIONS WITH AN "S" WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENT AND THIS IS MY CONCERN.

$30,000, YES -- LITTLE BIT THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THIS, AND I WILL BE WATCHING THIS VERY CLOSELY AND IMPLORE OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND MADAM MAYOR THAT WE LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE WE WANT IT, BUT EASY -- THE GROWTH PAINS WE ARE GOING THROUGH TO GET OUR CITY ON THE MAP, BUT IT IS EXPENSIVE.

>> JUST TO TOUCH ON THAT BRIEFLY, COMMISSIONER.

AND YOU HAVE A VALID POINT. THIS HAS KIND OF EXPANDED OVER THE COURSE OF LAST 18 MONTHS REALISTICALLY AND BEING ON THE PLANNING BOARD, I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE DATA HAS COME IN NOW. THE DATA ON THE ACTUAL PARKING NEEDS FOR KINGS LANDING WASN'T AVAILABLE UNTIL MAY OF 2021.

THE SIZE, SCOPE OF THE PARKING GARAGE WAS NOT KNOWN UNTIL AUGUST OF 2021. THIS IS STILL PRETTY FRESH INFORMATION AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO QUANTIFY THESE PARTICULAR NEEDS. AND THE OTHER POINTS YOU ARE MAKING THAT I THINK OF VALUE. OBVIOUSLY NOT FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS IN THE GENERAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS CORRIDOR TLVS THERE IS NO DOWNTOWN PARKING REQUIREMENT AND ELIMINATED BY THE CITY COMMISSION TO INFUSE MORE BUSINESS ACTIVITY INTO DOW DOWNTOWN. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE REVISITED AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE AS ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WILL BE TAKING PLACE AS YOU HEAD DOWN INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, YOU SEE THE VACANT LANDS WITH BUILDINGS SPRINGING UP OUT OF THEM. MAYBE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WILL WANT TO PUT THIS. AND NOT WHAT THE PAR PARKING:COMMITTEE LOOKED AT AND SCRATCHED OUR HEADS SAYING WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO. COMMISSIONER, THE OTHER COM COMMENT, THE PARKING COMMITTEE HAD AN INTERVIEW SESSION WITH FOLKS FROM WALKER. SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF HOW ARE WE GOING TO ANTICIPATE SCOPE. HOW ARE WE GOING TO ANTICIPATE NEED. WE KNOW FOR A FACT THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE ON THE BOARD CURRENTLY. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE COMING UP A YEAR FROM NOW. SIX MONTHS FROM NOW.

A 20-STORY DEVELOPMENT COULD BE PROPOSED ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE BECAUSE THEY KEEP REPEATING THE FACT NO HEIGHT RESTRICTION.

HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT MOVING FORWARD AND SPECULATE? WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED NOW SPECIFICALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR AS FAR AS WE NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE. MOVING TO THE OUTLIER AREAS, I BELIEVE WHAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS MAY BE -- AND THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED. THIS WILL BE A PHASED DEVELOPMENT OVER TIME AND INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT THE $30,000 PRICE TAG OF THE STUDY EQUALS ONE AND A QUARTER PARKING SPACES IN A PARKING GARAGE.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: JUST ONE LAST QUICK QUESTION ON THAT IS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND ANOTHER WAY TO ASK OR THOUGHT ABOUT IT WITH STAFF IS, WE WORKED WITH THIS GROUP SO MUCH.

THEY DEVELOPED SO MUCH ALREADY. IS THERE AN ADDENDUM -- INSTEAD TO START ALL OVER WITH THE $30,000.

IF YOU SAID THIS IS $15,000 TO ADD ANOTHER PHASE AND GIVE US A SCHEMATIC OR DRAWING OR RECOMMENDATION, I CAN PROBABLY TOLERATE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER BUT A WHOLE START $30,000 WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE DATA.

WE ALREADY KNOW SOME THINGS FROM THE WALKER PARKING STUDY, THAT IS WHERE MY MIND IS. WHEN I SAW THAT -- I HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE, IT SEEMS LIKE. IT FEELS LIKE WE ARE STARTING ALL OVER THE AGAIN WHERE WE HAVE DONE ENOUGH THINGS AND KNOW ENOUGH DATA. WHY DON'T WE ADD THE NEXT PIECE. WE HAVE NEW INFORMATION.

GIVE US SOME RECOMMENDATIONS WHAT TO DO.

I AM DONE. >> OFF VALID POINT.

THE PARKING COMMITTEE'S PERSPECTIVE IS LET'S TRY TO NEGOTIATES THIS. WE ARE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND NOT IN THE POSITION. I THINK YOU KNOW THAT COMMITTEE NOW KNOW THAT WE WILL WRESTLE THIS TO THE GROUND AND GET THE BEST DEAL FOR THE CITY. WE ARE SHAKING OUR HEADS SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO SPENDS $30 $30,000.

UNFORTUNATELY WE NEED THIS DATA.

CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AND GIVES AN UMBRELLA OF PLAUSIBILITY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE HIRING OUTSIDE EXPERTS TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION WHAT IS NEEDED AND HOW IT IS GOING TO BE NEED. WE ARE NOT EXPERIENCED ENOUGH

TO MAKE THOSE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER PERONA, YOU HAVE BEEN DYING TO GET IN HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: YES. WHEN WE FIRST ENGAGED WALKER YEARS AND YEARS AGO. WE ENGAGED THEM AND PAID MONEY AND DID A STUDY. IT ON THE SHELF.

YOU PAY FOR IT. YOU GET THE SERVICE.

YOU GET THE BENEFITS OF IT ALL. WE HAVE NOW MORPHED INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. EVERY TIME WE MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THE COMMISSION YOU CHANGE THE DYNAMIC.

IF YOU THINK YOU WILL PAY ONE TIME AND GET A PRODUCT THAT IS

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IN FACT, BEING ON THE PARKING COMMITTEE, YOU GET WIRED TO THE POINT EVERY TIME YOU START TALKING A NEW PROJECT OR BUSINESS, THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MY MIND IS THE PARKING ISSUES, THE IMPACTS BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC.

THIS AMOUNT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. THIS AMOUNT IS GOING TO SHOW UP PROBABLY EVERY YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR BECAUSE THIS IS A MOVING TARGET. THIS THING WILL BE HERE ALL THE TIME. AND THE $30,000, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, IS PROBABLY GOING TO SAVE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN WE ARE ALL DONE WITH THIS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH. WE CAN MAKE A MAJOR MISTAKE.

WE CAN PUT A PARKING FACILITY IN THE WRONG SPOT.

WALKER NOW HAS SUCH AN INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF FORT PIERCE.

THEY KNOW THE WORKING OF EVERYTHING.

EVERY TIME WE SHOOT A QUESTION AT THEM, THEY ARE QUICK TO GO WITH IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW WE ARE SET UP.

WHERE OUR PARKING OPPORTUNITIES ARE, WHAT OUR SOLUTIONS ARE, WHAT THE MIND SET OF THE AVERAGE PERSON IN DOWNTOWN CITY OF FORT PIERCE CITIZEN. I THINK THEY STARTED OFF BY SAYING WE DON'T HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM.

WE HAVE A WALKING PROBLEM IN FORT PIERCE.

AND SO WE NEED TO MOVE THIS. AND IT DOESN'T -- IT DOESN'T SCARE ME AT ALL ABOUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS BECAUSE I KNOW THE VALUE IS THERE. IF WE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS WHICH ARE TIME SENSITIVE.

THEY ARE VERY TIME SENSITIVE. YOU TAKE.

YOU TAKE A DECISION TODAY AND PUT IT OFF UNTIL NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THAT, THERE ARE MULTIPLE OF TENS TO 100 ON THAT COST WHEN YOU ARE FINALLY DONE WITH IT ALL.

SO YOU HAVE TO REWIRE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

I WOULD EVEN SUGGEST SOMETIME LOOKING THE IT AS A BUDGETED ITEM THAT YOU KNOW YOU WILL HAVE TO SPEND.

IF YOU DON'T SPEND IT EVERY YEAR IT IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR THAT. BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY IN 2022. THIS PROBLEM WILL BE BIGGER AND BIGGER AND BIGGER AS WE MOVE THE NEEDLE ON THE COMMISSION.

AS THE CITY GROWS OUR DOWNTOWN. YOU TALK OF THE PEACOCK ARTS DISTRICT, FISHERMEN'S WHARF. EDGAR TOWN.

ALL OF THESE GEL, A PARKING IMPACT THAT HAS TO HAVE A SOLUTION AND WE WANT TO SAY SOME DAY THAT WE ARE NOT TOTALLY AHEAD OF IT, BUT WE KNEW IT WAS COMING AND WE PREPARED THE BEST WAY WE POSSIBLY CAN AND THAT'S WHY YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ENGAGE WALKER ALL THE TIME THROUGH

THAT POINTS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, TO ADD TO THAT IN OUR FRBA.

THE PURPOSE OF THE AGENCY IS TO REVITALIZE THE PHYSICAL AND ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.

EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS ENCOMPASSED RIGHT THERE TOO.

AND YOU HAVE TO BUDGET THAT. AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IT.

YOU KNOW THERE ARE FOLKS OUT THERE THAT -- YOU KNOW, WHY DID WE ENGAGE WALKER SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE? WE ENGAGE WALKER BECAUSE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND BALANCE MAINTENANCE BUDGETS. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ATTRACT MORE IN OUR DOWNTOWN CORE.

MORE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES. HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE NOW? AND WE ARE STRUGGLING COMING OFF AND STILL IN A PANDEMIC.

LAST YEAR WHEN WE ENGAGED WALKER TO LOOK AT PAID PARKING TO SEE IF WE COULD CREATE, FIGURE OUT, ORGANIZED.

WAS THERE A MEANS, METHOD AND DESIRE IN THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE PAID PARKING. I BROUGHT UP THE SHARE POINT FILES THE COMMISSION PROJECT TRACKING THAT MR. MIMMS UPD UPDATES. EIGHT MONTHS AGO, HE TYPED IN ON HIS UPDATE ABOUT THE BIWEEKLY MEETINGS WITH WALKER TO TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PAID PARKING.

AND I REMEMBER THE DIRECTIVE AND CONTRACT WITH WALKER WAS SPECIFIC TO PAID PARKING. COMMISSIONER, I AGREE WITH YOU.

STARTED READING IT, CAN'T WE JUST ADD MONEY TO THE EXISTING CONTRACT. WE ARE ESSENTIALLY -- I KNOW THE ATTORNEY IN THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT HAS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ADHERING TO PROCUREMENT REGULATION AND WE ARE DOING THAT THE PROPER WAY. WE ARE HERE ON THE DAIS TALKING ABOUT IT. I THINK WE ARE DOING IT IN THE PROPER WAY. YOU CAN SOLE SOURCE.

YOU CAN PICK. BECAUSE THESE ARE THE EXPERTS THAT ARE IN THIS GROUP FOR THIS DISCUSSION POINT AND THAT IS WHO WE WANT TO HIRE. NOT HIRE ANYBODY ELSE.

AND GETS THE BACK DATA AND BRING IT ALL FORWARD AND TAKE HOURS AND HOURS WHICH IS AN EXPENSE TO THE CITY.

SO YOU ARE RIGHT. ALL -- ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE HEARD ARE EXACTLY ON POINT, BUT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS.

WE CAN'T BE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE SAYING, PENNY WISE, POUND FOOLISH IN LOOKING AT THE OVERALL SCOPE OF WHAT IS HANGING. AND EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED AS

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IT HAS CHANGED. CHANGED ON MY RADAR.

MY NOTES HAVE CHANGED. AND THE PARKING DAY HAS CHANGED. AND I THINK IT IS CRITICAL THAT WE CONTINUE TO ENGAGE THESE FOLKS AND TELLING US THEIR PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS. ANALYZING IT.

LOOKED AT THE CENTRAL DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR.

WHERE DO WE WANT TO START GROWING OUR PARKING NOW.

HOW DID WE DO THAT. WHAT IS THE PHASED APPROACH.

I THINK COMMISSIONER JOHNSON TALKED OF THE PHASED APPROACH OR BOTH OF YOU DID. THAT IS NECESSARY.

THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE DO.

WE DON'T HAVE A BUCKETS OF CASH TO BUILD THREE OR FOUR PARKING

GARAGES. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT IS WHERE I AM GOING MADAM MAYOR.

I HAVE HEARD TWO THINGS. AS A CONFERENCE AGENDA ON CITY COMMISSION AND A FRA ZONE. AND THAT IS A DIFFERENT BUDGET AND MAYBE $30,000 TO COME OUT OF THAT.

I WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AND HAVING A HOLISTIC APPROACH. I AM NOT ARGUING THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED THIS GOING FORWARD.

THAT IS VERY CLEAR TO ME. BUT WHEN IT STRUCK TO ME, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE TAKING A HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THIS TO MAKE SURE WE WEREN'T STARTING OVER FROM SQUARE ONE, BUT WAY TO EXPLORE ADDING ON TO WHAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING AND IF IT TOTALS $30,000. IT IS $30,000.

DIDN'T FATHOM IN MY MIND TO GET $30,000.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT WAS TOUGH TO CHEW ON AT FIRST. I WAS HAVING THE SAME STRUGGLE.

AND FOLKS IN THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, IN SOCIAL MEDIA ARE GOING TO HAVE A STRUGGLE WITH THIS AND GOING TO BE NEGATIVE COMMENTS. I AM OKAY WITH THAT, YOU KNOW WHY? PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN. THIS IS IMPORTANT.

>> IMPORTANT FOR FORT PIERCE, COMMISSIONER BECAUSE THIS WILL IMPACT FORT PIERCE, AND WE ARE JUST TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM PEACOCK DISTRICT AND ANOTHER BLOCK FROM THE LINCOLN PARK DISTRICT AND ALL THESE AREAS ARE GROWING AND WE WILL NEED PARKING CHALLENGES COMING UP THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ANOTHER LOOK BACK AT HISTORY. SO -- LET'S LOOK AT THE PARKING GARAGES NEXT TO US. ALL THE COMMENTS THAT CAME OUT YOU HAVE THAT PARKING GARAGE AND WHERE IT WAS A YEAR AGO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ORIGINALLY SUPPOSED TO BE LOCATED.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ONLY A FEW IN THE ROOM WITH THE TRUE HISTORY. I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT HISTORY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THE MOVE WAS MADE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SPECULATE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT'S RIGHT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU I DON'T RECALL US OR THIS COMMISSION, THIS COMMISSION ENGAGING IN THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL AND THIS DEPTH ABOUT THE OVERALL MASTER PLANNING OF DOWNTOWN. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID IN RAMON AND ALL HIS DRAWINGS AND SOMEONE IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND THEY ARE ALL OVER THE MAP.

BUT ONCE YOU START PUTTING IT INTO PLAY AND PUT THE CONCRETE IN THE GROUND, YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT SPOT

AND THE RIGHT PLACE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

AND SO MR. BRODERICK, YOU HAVE BEEN KIND OF THE CANARY ON THE COAL MINE ON THE PARKING ISSUE CONSTANTLY SAYING THIS HAS TO BE DONE AND I AM SURE THAT COMES OUT OF THE PARKING COMMITTEE, NOT JUST YOU ALONE, BUT THE PEOPLE CONSTANTLY THINKING OF PARKING WHILE THE REST OF US ARE GOING ABOUT OUR DAILY BUSINESS. AND YOU ARE -- I THINK THAT THE -- I HAD CONCERNS OF THE COST OF THE STUDY AND LIKE THE FOURTH STUDY. WE ARE GOING TO STUDY THIS THING TO DEATH. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ALSO REMEMBER THE SUN TRAIL AND GREENWAYS AND TRAILWAYS, ISN'T THAT SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH DD? I MEAN, WE HAVE TO KNOW ABOUT THAT. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE RAILROAD -- LIKE WE COULD FORGET THE RAILROAD.

BUT THE RAILROAD. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT U.S. 1 BECAUSE IT IS A FEDERAL HIGHWAY, BUT THERE IS A REAL ATTACHMENT TO NOT CROSSING U.S. 1@AS THE GREAT DIVIDE.

AND ALSO BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT THE TPO DID, A STRETCH OF U.S. 1 IN FORT PIERCE AND A STRETCH OF U.S. 1 IN PORT LUCY THAT IS DANGEROUS FOR -- PORT LUCIE THAT IS DANGEROUS FOR PEDESTRIANS AND AUTOS.

THE WHOLE UMBRELLA IDEA THAT THERE IS NO PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR DOWNTOWN. SO WE -- ALL OF THOSE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS OUR PARKING ISSUES. ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE HIGH-SPEED TRAINS. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE -- WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE U.S. 1. I DON'T -- I DON'T SEE US NOT HAVING U.S. 1. AND SO -- SO I WOULD HOPE THAT

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>> IN THEIR SOLICITATION TO THE CITY AND THEY MADE THE COMMENT -- AUDREY AND I HAD THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH THE COMMITTEE. THAT CITY STAFF WOULD PROVIDE THEM WITH AS MUCH INFORMATION AS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE SO WALKER CAN PUT THAT INTO THEIR MATE TRESS AND DECISION PLANNING AND STRATEGIZING. THE CITY STAFF HAS BEEN COOPERATED TO WORK IN UNISON. CITY STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL WHAT WILL BE BUILT X, Y AND Z.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING COME DOWN THE PIKE IN THE LOTS OF INDIAN RIVER. INEVITABLE THIS WILL COME.

WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE TODAY BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE WILL BE BEHIND THE 8-BALL. T.

2,000 PARKING SPACES IN DOWNTOWN, NET LOSS OF 15%.

OFF THE TOP WITH THE KINGS L LANDING PROJECT.

IN THE VICINITY OF 1700 SPACES. 500 SPACES REQUIREMENT BEING INFUSED INTO THE DOWNTOWN REDUCES THAT 1700 USABLE TO 1200. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THE CAR AS SOON AS SIMPLY NO SOLUTION OTHER THAN TO COME OUT OF THE GROUND. WE NEED TO BE WALKING IN UNISON AS THE KINGS LANDING PROJECT TO GET IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

AND WE ARE BEHIND THE SCHEDULE BECAUSE KINGS LANDING IS READY TO CUE IT UP FOR YOU FOLKS TO VOTE ON.

>> JANUARY 18, IT IS COMING. >> CAN I GO ISN'TLY NEEDED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. THE STUDY IS THE EASY PART BUT THE -- TO GET NICK WRITE THE CHECK OUT FOR THE PARKING GARAGE AND THAT IS THE CHALLENGE AND THOSE COSTS ARE STAGGERING AND SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS MORE FORWARD OR WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK HERE WITH A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE CHANGE THAT VEHEMENTLY ABOUT LACK OF PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. ONE OTHER THING TO KEEP IN MIND THE KINGS LANDING PROJECT -- NOT A PRO OR AGAINST -- BUT THE FACTUAL DATA. DIDN'T COME FROM THE CITY AND CONSULTANT. PROVIDES ANOTHER 4,000 CAR TRIPS INTO DOWNTOWN DAILY. ONCE AGAIN, 4,000 CARS SEEKING PARKING. SO THE -- THE RESOLUTION TO THAT I HEARD FOR YEARS. NOT -- JUST PUT THEM IN A PARKING GARAGE. GUESS WHAT, THAT WILL REACH MAXIMUM CAPACITY AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE.

IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME DOWNTOWN THIS PAST FRIDAY NIGHT. IF YOU DID YOU WILL SEE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. MY WIFE AND I STARTED PARKING ON THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOORS. IT WAS PAKISTAN.

WE SEE THIS MORE ENHANCED AS TIME GOES BY AND HITS THE WALL WITH KINGS LANDING AND TRAUMATIC IF WE ARE NOT

PREPARED TO DEAL WITH IT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE NEED TO GET THE BENEFIT IF THERE IS ANOTHER COASTAL TOWN IN FLORIDA THAT HAS DONE THIS RIGHT OR PLANNED THIS RIGHT AND ADDRESSED THE PARKING -- THEIR SITUATION.

BECAUSE IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT MOST DOWNTOWNS DON'T HAVE A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT AND DON'T HAVE A PARKING REQUIREMENT.

SO THEY HAVE TO HAD ADDRESSED IT IN SOME WAY.

>> THE CITY PROVIDES PARKING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THE CITY PROVIDES THE PARKING. BUT ONCE AGAIN MR. MIMMS HAS TO WRITE. COMMISSIONER GAINS, ANYTHING TO

ADD? >> I DO, MADAM MAYOR, BRINGING THIS IN AND GETTING UP TO SP SPEED.

I AM HEARING EVERYBODY AT THE COMMISSION.

WE KNOW ALL OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING, VACANT LAND THAT ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLIGHTED. MY QUESTION IS THIS.

IF WE WRITE A CHECK FOR $30 $30,000, WHAT IS TO PREVENT US FROM SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD SAYING WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS DATA OR WE FORGOT ABOUT THIS NEW PROJECT OR THAT NEW PROJECT.

ARE WE GOING TO COME BACK AT THAT TIME AND BE ASKED -- IS

THE GROUP GOING TO SAY -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: TO STUDY M

MORE? >> TO STUDY MORE AND ANOTHER $30,000 REQUEST. I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM.

I TURNED AROUND AND WINTER BACK HOME, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I SEE A PROBLEM AND I KNOW THE PROBLEM.

WITH EVERYTHING COMING DOWNTOWN, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PARKING AND I WANT TO MAXIMIZE WHATEVER MONEY WE ARE SPENDING THAT WE ARE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET

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WE ARE ASKING FOR ANOTHER $30,000.

AND I SEE MY COLLEAGUE HERE SIT BACK AND -- AND MR. JOHNSON SIT BACK. I AM JUST WONDERING WHERE DOES IT STOP. I UNDERSTAND PUT IT IN A BU BUDGET, AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO, GOING FORWARD. AT A CERTAIN TIME, ONLY HAVE SO MUCH SPACE DOWN THERE. WE CAN ONLY, LIKE SAY, BUILD UP. AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM WHEN THEY COME IN. WE WANT TO BUILD UP.

SO AT WHAT POINT DO WE SAY THESE MASTER PLANS KEEP COMING BACK SIX MONTHS, NINE MONTHS, AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, 30 LEER, 30 HERE, 30 YEAR. EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT US WHY ARE WE THROWING OUR MONEY AWAY. A CONCERN.

IS IT SAFEGUARD TO PREVENT SOMETHING AND SOMETHING YOU SAID. AS SOON AS THE SHOVEL HITS THE GROUND AND THE DEVELOPER DOWN THERE WILL SAY, LET'S JUMP IN ON THIS -- ON THIS MOMENT AND THEN DOES THAT MESS UP ANY MASTER PLAN THAT WE PAY FOR TODAY?

THAT IS MY CONCERN. >> AN EXCELLENT COMMENT AND QUESTION. MY RESPONSE WOULD BE, IF THERE IS ANOTHER REQUEST FOR $30,000 EXPENDITURE, I WILL SEND THE VICE-CHAIRMAN IN TO MAKE THAT REQUEST.

NOT ME. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WILL NOT BE HERE.

>> THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN TOSSED AROUND WITH THE PARKING COMMITTEE LEVEL AT LENGTH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE BELIEVE THAT WILL COME OUT OF THIS STUDY AND WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH FPUA WALKER. THE PHASEABILITY OF ADDING PARKING. WE KNOW THAT OUR -- OUR FOCUS POINT RIGHT NOW IS SPECIFICALLY DOWNTOWN.

AS DOWNTOWN EXPANDS AND THE DEFINITION OF DOWNTOWN EXPANDS DOWN TOWARD SEAWAY, ETC. WE BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A PHASED POSSIBILITY TO ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE CONCERN OF DOWNTOWN WITH AN OUTLINING PLAN TO DEAL WITH PARKING DOWN THE ROAD. WE AS A GROUP BELIEVE THIS IS THE DIRECTION, DOWNTOWN TO THE PORT.

IN CONTEMPLATING THIS PROBLEM, WE ARE SUGGESTING TO DEAL WITH THE IMMEDIATE NEED HERE. WE WILL HAVE LOCATIONS AND POTENTIAL SIZING AND SCOPE OF ADDITIONAL PARKING FACILITIES INTO THE FUTURE A WHEN NEEDED WHICH COULD BE SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. BEST WE ARE ABLE TO DO TO GET THE CRYSTAL BALL OUT AND THINK WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN HERE AND THINKING THE SAME THING YOU ARE THINKING.

THAT WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO MAKE A MISTAKE.

WE WANT TO GET THIS DONE THE FIRST TIME AND HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN TO KNOW WHAT THE FUNDING NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE.

WHAT THE CAPACITY NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE.

AND FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO THE SOLUTION IF THE NEEDS INCREASE WE CAN INCREASE THE SCOPE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO TARGET. FOLKS FROM WALKER HAVE BEEN VERY SPECIFIC IN THE ORAL AND WRITTEN PRESENTATION.

WE NEED ALL THE DATA OFF. GIVE US EVERYTHING YOU GOT.

CITY STAFF PROVIDED THAT AND THINKING MORE FUTURE.

OKAY, WE NEED MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THE OUTLYING PROJECT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY IS BRINGING UP.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, ANOTHER COMMENT IN IF I COULD, COMMISSIONER GAINES, GREAT POINT, SIR.

I WILL SAY THIS, I SEE THIS OVERALL, BUILDING THIS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, MASTER PLAN, BEHAVIOR YOU WANT TO CALL IT ABOUT PARKING WAR PHASING AND INFORMATION BROUGHT IN TOG TOGETHER. THREE PARTS OF IT THAT WE HAVE TO HEAVILY CONSIDER: WHAT IS THE CITY'S INVESTMENT OF IT.

YOU THINK OF CITY AND INVE INVESTING.

WHAT IS THE PRIVATE INVESTORS INVESTMENT AND WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO TO HELP THEIR BUSINESSES TO BE SUCCESSFUL, A CONDO, MULTISH USE, ETC, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

IF THEY HAVE THOSE EXPERIENCES THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS HAVE TO INVEST IN THEIR NEEDS. AND PART OF THE CITY INVESTMENT AND SEPARATED OUT AS COMMUNITY TRANSIT.

WE CAN SAY TRANSIT WITHIN OUR DOWNTOWN CORE, VIA THE TRAM, THE TROLLEY, WHATEVER WE SAY. HOW WE ARE INVESTING IN VERTICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. HOW WITH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER.

AND HOW ARE WE MOVING WITHIN THE CITY WITHIN THE PHASED P PLAN. THE THREE LEGS OF MY STOOL AS I LOOK AT THIS ISSUE AND I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE PHASES, WHERE? POTENTIAL INPUTS AND PRICE FROM

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FROM THERE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MOAT BUILT

STUDY GOING ON. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: RUNS PARALLEL ON THIS.

THAT IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR THAT JUST POPPED IN MY MIND AND NOBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS THIS OR BRING THIS UP, BUT I WILL. ANOTHER PART IN THIS THAT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT TOO IN THAT DOWNTOWN AREA.

WE HAVE OUR COUNTY PARTNERS DOWN HERE A WITH ASSETS INSIDE THE CITY THAT IS DOWNTOWN. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WALKERS AND FUTURE IDEAS OF THE ASSETS OF PROPERTY DOWNTOWN.

THAT NEEDS -- THAT NEEDS -- THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE BROACHED. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT AWARE IF THEY DO OR DO NOT HAVE PLANS.

IF THEY CURRENTLY WANT TO CONTINUE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE ASSETS AS WELL TO HELP US SOLVE THE PARKING PROBLEM.

THERE COULD BE VERTICAL STRUCTURES ADDED AND OR WHATEVER THEIR PLANS MAY BE. WE ALL HEARD RUMBLINGS BUT A CONVERSATION THAT SEVERELY IMPACTS US IN A PROBLEM THAT WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING UTILIZED PR PROPERLY AND WELL AND WE DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE, I DON'T THINK.

WE MAY BE SPEAKING OUT OF TURN AND SEEING THAT FOR STAFF WITH WALKER THAT WE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

THAT CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD AS WELL.

>> COMMISSIONER, I WOULD -- AT LEAST FROM A BIT OF INFORMATION REGARDING THAT. THE PARKING COMMITTEE HAD TWO OR THREE MEETINGS WITH COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: RIGHT.

>> ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES.

NONE OF THOSE MEETINGS WAS THE CONVERSATION OF EXPANDING THE GARAGE AS A SOLUTION FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.

THE INFORMATION THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS IS THAT IN THEORY THEIR GARAGE IS EXPANDABLE AT A PRETTY EXTREME COST DUE TO BUILDING CODES WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

IT WAS BUILT TO EXPAND IT BUT DOESN'T MEET CURRENT CODE.

VARIETY OF HURDLES BUT IN THEORY IT IS DOABLE.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I AGREE WITH YOU BUT FLAT SERVICE LANDS THAT ARE PART OF THE PROPERTIES AS WELL AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE. WE ARE TALKING OF GOING VERTICAL ON SOME OF OUR FLAT STRUCTURES.

I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IN APPROACHING THIS IS AS A BUSINESS PERSON WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN TOTALITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO SEE IF IT MAKES SENSE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

EVERYBODY CAN DO MATH. EVERYBODY KNOWS WE WILL HAVE A SHORTFALL WHEN IF COMES TO PARKING SPACES AND NUMBERS.

THAT ISSUE CONTINUE TO BE FRUSTRATING TO US.

WHAT ARE WE DOING TO LOOK AT IT AND PUT ALL THE CHIPS ON THE

TABLE IS WHAT I AM SUGGESTING. >> TOTALLY AGREE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ARE WE GOOD? ARE WE GOOD WITH PROCEEDING WITH THE WALKER STUDY? I THINK YOU GOT THE SENTIMENT OF THE FACT THAT THE COMMISSION REALLY WANTS GOOD VALUE FROM THIS STUDY BECAUSE IT IS THE FUTURE OF OUR DOWNTOWN AND OUR CITY. SO IT IS VERY IMPORTANT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ONE OF THE COMMENTS THINK THAT HEARD EARLIER WAS THE GREENWAY.

COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON AND I HAD -- AND THE NET LOSS INTO DOWNTOWN IS ANOTHER 85 PARKING SPACES POTENTIALLY IF THAT WERE TO COME TO PASS AND CREATE A WALKING ENVIRONMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. BUT THAT IS OBVIOUSLY WAY DOWN THE LINE BUT ALL I KEEP CEASE IS MIN UES AND.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: NO PLUSES. >> THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS A PLUS AND ARE YOU READY TO MOVE INTO THAT ONE?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, PLEASE. >> THIS AREA IS A CITY-OWNED PIECE OF PROPERTY. I WILL READ THE RECOMMENDATION.

PARKING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS MOVING FORWARD IMMEDIATELY WITH DESIGN LAYOUT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY TO CREATE LONG-TERM PARKING SOUTH OF BOSTON I HAVE A AND NORTH OF CITRUS AVE. ENCOMPASSES THE MARKET STREET RIGHT-OF-WAY AND CITY-OWNED PARCEL WEST OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY TO ENTER INTO THE DISCUSSION OF LEASE AND PURCHASE TWO ADJACENT

PRIVATELY OWNED PARCELS. >> THE PIECE OF LAND WE ARE LOOKING AT CURRENTLY IS A CITY. -OWNED ASSET.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS CONVERTED INTO A PUBLIC PARKING FACILITY. IN ADDITION TO THAT TWO ADJACENT PARCELS OF LANDS THAT ARE PRIVATELY OWNED THAT IMMEDIATELY ABUT THIS PROPERTY THAT WE WILL AT LEAST SUGGEST THE CITY MOVE INTO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE OWNERS TO SEE IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF BUYING THOSE PROPERTIES OR LEASING THOSE PROPERTIES. ONCE AGAIN THE CITY-OWNED PIECE OF PROPERTY CAN BE A ST STAND-ALONE PROJECT AND THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SECURING ADDITIONAL LAND FOR PARKING, WE THINK IT WILL BED A VANTAN DAY JUSTICE OF THE CITY TO DO SO.

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS. DISCUSSION? RIGHT NEXT TO THE RAILROAD TRACK?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ISN'T THERE

PARKING THERE ALREADY? >> THERE IS PARKING ON THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THE RED HIGHLIGHTED PARCEL.

FROM BOSTON AVENUE SOUTH, IT IS PRETTY MUCH VACANT RIGHT NOW.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY, OKAY. YES, SIR, COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I THINK THE PARKING COMMITTEE REALIZED THIS IS LOW HANGING FRUIT.

AFTER HEARING OUR CHAIRMAN TALK OF THE NET LOSS OF HUNDREDS OF SPOTS WE ARE GOING TO USE, WE ARE GRASPING AT ANYTHING.

GRAB 10, 20, 30, 40 SPOTS, WE ARE DOING IT BECAUSE I THINK EVERY -- EVERY SINGLE SPOT THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS PART OF THE SOLUTION. AND TO LET SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO GO WOULD BE REALLY A WASTE. AT ONE TIME, I THINK CITY MANAGER AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND SAID NOBODY WILL WANT TO PARK DOWN THERE.

RIGHT NOW PEOPLE WILL WANT TO PARK ANYWHERE THEY CAN.

IF THEY KNOW IT IS AVAILABLE THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

SO I TOTALLY SUPPORT. THIS IS LOW HANGING FRUIT AND TALK OF GOING VERTICAL AND ALL OTHER THINGS OF DEVELOPMENT.

THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY THIS IS AVAILABLE AND HOW MANY SPACES

ON THE CITY PROPERTY. >> I THINK POTENTIALLY OF 30 AND PREMATURE TO STATE. CITY ENGINEERS NEED TO LOOK AT

THIS. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE THE LOT AND GET IN AND OUT EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS EASY STUFF FOR AT LEAST

30 SOLUTIONS. >> WORTH THE DISCUSSION OF THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNERS IF THEY ARE WANTING TO LEASE.

THE HIGHER AND BEST USE AND NOT BUILD A BUILDING.

FOR PARKING A PRIME CANDIDATE. AT LEAST WARRANTS A DISCUSSION TO SEE IF THERE CAN BE SOME ENGAGEMENT THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: A QUICK QUESTION.

ON THE MAP, WHAT DOES ADJACENT POTENTIAL PARTNERS.

WHERE WILL THAT BE LOCATED? >> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THAT THE

GREEN? >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE GREEN, OKAY. THE ACCESS WILL BE OFF OF ORANGE, LITERALLY OUT THERE TO THE RIGHT.

THAT IS THE KIND OF AREA YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

>> GENTLEMEN. THAT BRINGS US RIGHT DOWN TO THE END. THE THOUGHT PROCESSES OF CREATING PARKING ON THE CITY OWN $LOTS.

IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO AT LEAST MAKE THE INQUIRY.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: OKAY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, A WHOLE BUNCH OF VACANT PROPERTY OWNED BY THE FTC, THAT'S CORRECT? DO WE EVER HAVE -- HAVE WE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT APPROACHING THE MIGHTY RAILROAD FOR USE OF PARKING SPACE ON THAT KAY -- VACANT PROPERTY? MR. MIMMS.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE WORKED WITH THEM AND THE C & C PARKING LOT BEHIND THE OLD SHOE STORE. WE USED TO PARK THERE.

AND WE PRASHINGD DURING THE CONSTRUCTION R STRUNGS OF THE PARKING GARAGE. WE WORKED WITH THEM.

THEY DON'T MIND AND THEY LIKE MONEY, OF COURSE.

IF THERE IS A NEED, WILL ENTERTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP

AGAIN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I CERTAINLY HAVE PARKED THERE BEFORE WHENEVER DOWNTOWN IS TOTALLY CROWD AND AND WANT TO GET OUT OF DOWNTOWN QUICK AND NOT FAR TO WALK TO DOWNTOWN. I WOULD SAY -- THAT THE PARKING COMMITTEE KEEPS THAT IN MIND IN TERMS OF -- THAT IS A LOT OF

VACANT. >> AS YOU MENTION IT, WHY DON'T WE CALENDAR IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM TO TAKE A HARDER LOOK AND

THE POSSIBILITIES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: LOOKING AT LOW HANGING FRUIT AND NONIF THE FEC CAN CONSIDER THAT.

BUT WE WILL TRY. >> AVAILABLE FLAT GROUND.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: AVAILABLE FLAT GROUND.

>> YOU KNOW ODDLY ENOUGH, FIVE OR SIX ACRES THAT LOOKS VERY NICE FOR A BRIGHT LINE STATION. JUST SAYING.

JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THEY WOULD ACCESS THAT OFF OF -- WHERE WOULD YOU ACCESS OFF

OF U.S. 1. >> BOSTON AVENUE AND U.S. 1.

YES, SIR. IF A.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. IN SOUNDS GOOD.

LOW HANGING FRUIT SOUNDS GOOD. >> WE NEED ABOUT 50 MORE OF

THESE IS WHAT WE NEED. >> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT,

COMPACTLY. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: TO

SOLVE THE PROBLEM. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYTHING ELSE FROM YOUR COMMITTEE? ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SUBJECT? ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND ALL THE TIME YOU SPENT ON THIS.

[b. Overview of Impact Fee Moratorium]

MISS RANSOM. >> NEXT IS THE OVERVIEW OF THE

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. >> NICK MIMMS: A REVIEW OF THE IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM THROUGHOUT THE URBAN INFILL

CORRIDOR OF OUR CITY. >> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION. MY PLEASURE TO BE BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING. IT IS FUNNY TALKING OF PARKING AND HOW MUCH IMPACT DEVELOPMENT CREATES, AND NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WAIVING THOSE IMPACT FEES IN CERTAIN AREAS.

BUT IT ALL TIES TOGETHER. AND I HAVE SOME POSITIVE DATA TO SHOW AND LET'S JUST GO AND DIVE IN.

THIS IDEA CAME FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.

LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE URBAN CORE OF OUR CITY WHERE A LOT OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THERE A LOT OF THE IMPACT HAS ALREADY BEEN MAIDS.

HOW CAN WE INCENTIVIZE NEW DEVELOPMENT INSIDE THE URBAN CORE. WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT YOU AREOR IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM. VERY LIMITED CONSTRUCTION WANT URBAN CORE OF THE CITY. I THINK THE NUMBER WE GAVE YOU BETWEEN 2016 AND 2019, WE COLLECTED $40,000 WORTH OF IMPACT FEE IN THAT AREA. IT JUST IS NOT A LOT OF NEW CONSTRUCTION HAPPENING THERE. THIS IS A WAY TO ASSIST BUSINESS WITH THAT INITIAL START-UP COST.

IMPACT FEES ARE COLLECTED DURING -- AT THE BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE AND HELP OFFSET SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

SOME OF THE CAPITAL FACILITY COSTS.

BUT LIKE I MENTIONED, THE IMPACT HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE AND IN A LOT OF THESE AREAS. WE ADOPTED THIS ORDINANCE BACK IN MARCH OF 2016, 2020. A 12-MONTH MORATORIUM WHICH MEANS WE DID NOT COLLECT CITY IMPACT FEES FOR 12 MONTHS.

WE COLLECTED FOR THE COUNTY, THE SCHOOL BOARD, ETC.

MARCH 16, 2021, THAT IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM EXPIRED.

WE CAME BACK TO YOU AND SAID WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC AND EXTEND THIS FOR SIX MONTHS TO GET MORE DATA.

WE DID THAT. IT ULTIMATELY EXPIRED OCTOBER 5, 2021. SO I HAVE LOOKED AT EVERY BUILDING PER NATE THIS CITY HAS ISSUED MORE THAN I CARE, RIGHT.

BUT I HAVE A REALLY GOOD PICTURE OF WHAT HAS OCCURRED IN OUR CITY. AND IT KIND OF BOILS DOWN TO THIS UP OUTSIDE OF THE FPRA, WE EXPERIENCED 96% OF ALL OF THE BUILDING PERMITS. NEW CONSTRUCTION PER NIGHTS ARE ISSUED. 96% OF THOSE WERE PULLED FOR PROPERTIES OUTSIDE OF THE FPRA. ONLY 4% OF BUILDING PERMITS WERE PULLED FOR INSIDE THE FPRA.

THE NUMBERS TO 459 NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING PERMITS VERY US 20 NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING PERMITS.

I PUT IT ON A MAP -- BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT IS EASY TO SEE.

OF COURSE, WE HAD A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES BUILT.

BENT CREEK EXPANSION, AVALON CELEBRATION POINT.

THEY ARE OVERLAPPING AND HARD TO SEE ON THE MAP.

459 NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING PERMITS.

HERE WITHIN THE FPRA, YOUR 20 NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING PERMITS. A COUPLE OF POINTS I WANT TO PULL OUT HERE. WE HAVE NO NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THE PEACOCK ARTS DISTRICT, DOWNTOWN AND FISHERMAN'S WHARF.

ALL IS HAPPENING ON SOUTH BEACH AND LINCOLN PARK.

MAJORITY OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

WE HAD A COUPLE OF DUPLEXES. WE HAD THAT PLAZA OUT IN FRONT OF HARBOR ISLE. THE 7-ELEVEN ON THE 25TH AND ORANGE, BUT THE MAJORITY WERE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.

SOUTH BEACH AND LINCOLN PARK. LOOKING THAT THE, WAS THIS SUCCESSFUL? WAS IT NOT? HOW CAN WE GAUGE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE MORA MORATORIUM. I DON'T LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AS STAND-ALONE INCENTIVE, RIGHT? WE ARE LOOKING AT INFILL DEVELOPMENT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS, COMMERCIALS AN RESIDENTIAL. YOU LEVERAGE SOME OF THE OTHER INCENTIVES THE BRAND-NEW ONLINE REDHAUNGS WE JUST LAUNCHED -- THE FIRST PEW PROPERTIES WILL BE COMING TO YOU SOON.

TONYA IS WORKING ON THAT. AND LOOKING AT THOSE HOLISTICALLY, CLUSTERING THEM. TRYING TO ACQUIRE NEW PROPERTY FOR RESIDENTIAL AND OUR RESIDENTIAL GRANTS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION WHICH WILL BE LAUNCHING VERY SOON.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT INCENTIVES, AND YOU ADD THE IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM, IT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE VERY QUICK I HAVE IT. SAME GOES TO COMMERCIAL.

WE OFFER TAX INCREMENT REVENUE SHARE WITH KINGS LANDING AND FISHERMAN'S WHARF. AND COMPETITIVE SOLICITATION LIKE 301 SOUTH OCEAN WILL BE ONE TO GO OUT.

SOMETIMES WE CAN USE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY AS AN INCENTIVE AND WE LAUNCHED OUR COMMERCIAL GRANTS LIKE THE COMMERCIAL

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IF YOU COUPLE IN COLLABORATION WITH OTHER INCENTIVES, IT HAS THE ABILITY TO BE MORE SIGNIFICANT.

LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDATION -- WE WILL HAVE TO DO THIS MORE FORMALLY AT CITY COMMISSION THROUGH AN ORDINANCE.

WE LOOK AT IT AS, HEY, ONE MORE TOOL IN OUR TOOL KIT FOR INDICING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN OUR INFILL DEVELOPMENT AREA.

WE WOULD RECOMMEND EXPANDING FOR ANOTHER 12 MONTHS TO ADVANCE OUR DESIRE FOR INFILL LINCOLN PARK, FISHERMAN'S WH WHARF, PEACOCK ARTS DISTRICTS AND SOUTH BEACH.

I WILL BE HOPE THAT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS OF MISS HARNIGE.

>> WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE GRAPH.

AND GO BACK ONE MORE. IT WAS 4%.

SO 20 NEW CONSTRUCTION. THAT IS A MIXTURE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL WHEN IT CAME TO THIS.

TO ME THIS -- SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO OFFER -- CONTINUE TO OFFER INCENTIVES, RIGHT.

OF BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO GROW THIS.

I HAVE BEEN THINKING THIS. AND THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING -- I WAS WONDER WHERE WE WERE WITH THIS.

AND I WAS REMEMBERING WHEN THEY FIRST GOT ON, RELAXED THE MORATORIUM AND NOW WE HAVE REAL NUMBERS HERE.

AND I THINK -- WHAT IS YOUR -- WHAT IS YOUR TAKE? WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE GETTING LESS WITHIN THE FPRA? WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT?

>> NUMBER ONE IS THE LIENS. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS HIGH AND LOW. THE LIENS ON THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, YOU CAN'T REALLY DEVELOPMENT THEM.

WORKING ON THE LIENS WITH THE LIEN REDUCTION PROGRAM.

ANOTHER THING IS, A LOT OF IT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED.

LUKE AT YOUR DOWNTOWN, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF VACANT LAND LEFT.

FISHERMAN'S WHARF, SOUTH BEACH. THE SPRAWLING LAND BY YOU ARE I-95, JENKINS ROAD. WHERE YOU ARE SEEING NEW CONSTRUCTION. I DON'T WANT TO PAINT A PICTURE THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN THE FP RA BECAUSE IT IS.

JUST TO THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. PART OF THE MAJOR KIND OF HINDRANCES TO DEVELOPMENT IN THE FPRA AND WHY WE ARE OFFERING THESE TYPES OF INSENSITIVE.

I TRY TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING INCENTIVES '18 '19.

I WAS -- WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE LISTENING TO THE PARKING, PULLED THE IMPACT FEES WE COLLECTED OVERTIME.

$322,000 WORTH OF IMPACT FEES IN '17.

TO $172 MILLION TO 1.6 TO 1.7 MILLION.

DEVELOPMENT IS HAPPENING IN OUR CITY, BUT UNFORTUNATELY NOT AS MUCH IN OUR ALREADY DEVELOPED URBAN CORE.

>> I THINK THAT IS THE POINT I WANTED TO TRY TO GET TO.

IN THE URBAN CORE PART OF THIS, IF IT IS GOING TO GROW HAS TO BE RESIDENTIAL, RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE A LARGE SWATH OF COMMERCIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BIG --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BIG WARE WAREHOUSES.

>> AND I THINK WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO LOOK AT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW TO GET NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH TEN COMES TO HOME OWNERSHIP AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS THAT COME IN AND GROW THAT WHOLE TAX BASE THERE GOING FORWARD. HOPEFULLY STAFF WILL LOOK AT THIS AS PUTTING THE RIGHT INCENTIVES IN FOR RESIDENTIAL GROWTH OPINION RECENTLY ON OUR COMMISSION, WE HAD A PEELS OF INFORMATION I ASKED TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA LOOKING AT AN ACCESSORY OF PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE LINCOLN PARK FPRA ZONE THAT WAS RESIDENTIAL AND IT WAS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BY ONE APPLICANT. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT TO SAY, YOU HAVE ACQUIRED THESE PROPERTIES, HOW DO WE BUILD HOUSES AN GET PEOPLE IN.

AND THE CITY WAS RECENTLY GRANTED A GRANT TO HELP TRAIN AND GET PEOPLE UP TO SPEED AS TO HOMEOWNERSHIP.

I THINK WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THINGS WE CAN HOPEFULLY PUT TOGETHER HERE TO GET SOME HOUSING PROJECTS.

QUITE FRANKLY IN THIS CORRIDOR FOR US TO GET MORE NUMBERS THAN 20 IN THIS FPRA, A LOT OF THIS HAS TO BE HOMEOWNERSHIP.

>> I AGREE, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON.

LOOKING AT THESE INCENTIVES, SOME OF THESE WERE NOT OFFERED DURING THE MORATORIUM. IF WE WERE TO EXTEND THIS MORATORIUM IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER INCENTIVES THAT YOU ALL JUST APPROVED. I THINK IT IS MORE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SIGNIFICANCE SCANT, IN YOUR WORDS, RESIDENTIAL GROWTH

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THEY HAVE 12 MONTHS TO PULL THEIR BUILDING PERMITS AND 12 MONTHS TO GET THAT CO. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THESE HOUSES BUILT. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BUY UP THESE LOTS AND SITTING ON THEM, JUST LIKE YOU MENTIONED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU.

THIS IS INTERESTING TO ME. I DON'T TAKE IMPACT FEES VERY LIGHTLY. THERE IS A PURPOSE FOR THEM.

NOT TO JUST GIVE THEM AWAY. YOU HAVE TO -- THERE IS AN IMPACT ON DEVELOPMENT ON THE PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

IF NOT, IT IS NOT FREE MONEY. SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. I AM WONDERING WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THE MORATORIUM, THAT 4%.

HOW MUCH OF THAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED NO MATTER WHAT.

DID WE MAKE A BIG DEAL WITH ALL OF THAT?

>> THAT IS A GREAT POINT. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CONTINUE THIS FOR FORWARD.

WE DO CONTINUE IT AND I AM REALLY ON THE FENCE.

ANY ONE OF YOU CAN TALK ME INTO IT IF YOU WANT TO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: OR OUT OF IT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: OR OUT OF IT, RIGHT OPINION I REALLY THINK -- A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD REQUEST. I WOULD LIKE A TIMING ON IT.

TIME CERTAIN. AND I WOULD LIKE -- AT LEAST ACCEPT SOME FORM OF A DELIVERABLE WHEN WE ARE DONE.

RATHER THAN LET'S PUT IT OUT THERE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

BECAUSE I WANT TO GET A FEELING IF WE ARE PUTTING AN INCENTIVE OUT THERE. IF WE ARE TAKING AWAY A BENEFIT FROM THE CITY AND COLLECTING AN IMPACT FEE FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IMPACTS, I WANT TO KNOW THAT I AM GETTING VALUE NOR THAT.

AND I KNOW THIS IS ALL KIND OF IFFY AND STUFF AND WE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS MANY, MANY TIMES AND PERHAPS YOU CAN HELP US WITH THAT IF WE COME UP WITH SOME FORM OF A DELIVERABLE.

WHAT THIS IS WE EXPECT. THE IDENTIFIABLE PROPERTIES.

WE THINK IN THE NEXT 12 MONTHS TO GET TO THAT POINT.

IF WE DON'T TEACH, GET OFF THIS FOR A WHILE AND COLLECT THOSE FEES. WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND -- IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO COLLECT WITH THEM THROUGH IMPACTS, WE WILL PAY FOR THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THEY ARE REAL IMPACTS AND REAL COSTS TO THE PUBLIC.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ALSO OUR IMPACT FEES COMPARATIVELY ARE NOT AS GREAT AS THE COUNTIES. SO YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF AN INCENTIVE IT IS, BECAUSE THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY THE HEFTY ONE. THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY THE

HEFTY ONE. >> THAT IS TRUE.

TO GIVE YOU A NUMBER COMMISSIONER PERONA, MADAM MAYOR. I RAN THEM QUICK, ABOUT $80,000 OVER THE PAST 18 MONTHS. THAT WILL INCLUDE THOSE BIG -- BIG COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. SO $80,000 IS WHAT WE ARE KIND OF MISSING OUT ON. I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT. IF -- IF WE ARE NOT GETTING IT ON THE FRONT END. WHERE ARE WE PAYING FOR IF.

YOU COMPARE $80,000 TO $177 MILLION, NOT AS SIGNIFICANT BUT

A GOOD POINT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: FOLLOW UP. PART OF THE PACKAGE.

NOT JUST THE SINGLE -- YOU ARE JUST NOT TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM. OFF PACKAGE OF BENEFITS AND ADDS ANOTHER LITTLE BENEFIT TO THAT PACKAGE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU GOT TO BE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS MORATORIUM IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SHOW A BENEFIT WHEN IT IS ALL OVER WITH.

AS HARD AS THAT MAY BE, BUT -- THE NEXT TIME WE MAKE THAT DECISION. I WANT SOME TYPE OF DATA THAT SAYS, HEY, WE HAVE GOT THIS GOING ON HERE.

WE BELIEVE THAT BY ADDING THIS TO OUR MIX OF GOOD THINGS FOR ALL OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT THIS HAS ENERGIZED THIS WHOLE PROGRAM OR HAS NOT AND CAN MAKE A DECISION FROM THERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD POINT. >> AS FAR AS THE NUMBERS, YOU SAID $80,000, BUT THAT IS THE NUMBER IN TOTALITY.

THAT $80,000 IS DIVVIED UP IN PIE PIECES FROM MY UNDE UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT? DESIGNATED FOR ROADS.

OR DESIGNATED. >> STORMWATER, ABSOLUTELY.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT IS RELATED TO THE CITY AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY RESERVED AND HELD BACK SPECIFIC TO THAT -- THAT ITEM.

WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS BEFORE, AND I AGREE, COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW, I AM KIND -- I AM NOT ON THE FENCE AS MUCH MAYBE AS YOU ARE, BUT -- BUT I COULD BE TALKED IN IT OR OUT OF IT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

BECAUSE OF THE DATA. BECAUSE OF THE DATA.

BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE A PACKAGE, I THINK WE CAN DO A VERY GOOD JOB WITH WHAT WE ARE SEEING ON THE SCREEN HERE WITH ADVERTISING TO THOSE WHO DO PULL PERMITS WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WHO HAVE BUILT HOMES IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, REACH OUT TO THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND SAY,

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I THINK THOUGH I AM NOT SURE ABOUT 12 MONTHS.

I WILL BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH SIX MONTHS.

BRING IT BACK. JUST AN APPROVAL PROCESS.

AND IF WE WANT TO EXTEND IT ANOTHER SIX.

GET THE DATA IN SIX MONTHS, AND MAKE THE APPROVAL AGAIN.

>> WORKS FOR ME. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER GAINES. .

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: YOU STOLE MY THUNDER.

MY STRATEGY THAT WE ARE SEEING AND THE QUESTION GOING BACK TO THE AREA WITH THE 4% OR THE 2 20%.

HOW ARE WE GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT TO -- ESPECIALLY IN MY DISTRICT, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING HOUSES OR PROPERTY.

HOW ARE WE GETTING THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE WANT TO REBUILD OR BUILD SOMETHING NEW ON THE LOTS. HOW ARE WE GETTING THAT

INFORMATION OUT. >> SURE, MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONER GAINES, NICE TO SEE YOU.

WE PUT A MORATORIUM OUT AND PUT WITH A PRESS RELEASE AND ON OUR WEB SITE AND ADDED TO THE PACKAGE OF ANY COLLATERAL THAT WE ARE PUTTING OUT. THE ECONOMIC CHAMBER AND BUSINESS PARTNERS, DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU INCLUDE THE TREASURE COAST BUILDERS. .

>>. >> I AM GOING TO DO THAT AND I DID NOT. THE LANDLORD ASSOCIATION.

I AM THINKING OF OTHER ONES TO REACH OUT TO AS WELL.

THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THINK THAT RECEIVE INITIALLY WERE VERY POSITIVE. SO PEOPLE LIKE -- OH, WOW, WHERE IS THIS. HOW CAN I DEVELOP THERE.

I DO KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE PURCHASE LOTS IN THE AREA BECAUSE OF INESSENTIAL THAT I WAS ARE NOT AVAILABLE ELSE ELSEWHERE. DO I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF GETTING THIS OUT? ABSOLUTELY.

ASSIST ME OF THAT I IMPLORE YOU WITH THE PERSPECTIVE DISTRICTS.

THE WORD DID SPREAD IN TERMS OF THE CONTRACTOR.

SO ONE KNEW ABOUT IT AND THEN THE OTHER ONE AND THEY BUY THESE PROPERTIES UP AND COULD CONTRIBUTE TO WHY SOME CONTRACTORS ARE BUYING UP SO MANY PROPERTIES IN A CERTAIN AREA. WE HOPE THAT THEY USE IT PR PROPERLY AND ACTUALLY BUILD WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO

BUILD. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I THINK THAT -- A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY DIG STRICT.

I UNDERSTAND -- GREAT CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND WE -- BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE JUST DON'T GET IT THAT WAY.

SO TO MAXIMIZE AND GET THE BENEFIT THAT MY COLLEAGUES ARE ASKING FOR TO SEE THE NUMBERS, I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF BETTER WAY TO -- TO LET SOME OF THE OLDER HOMEOWNERS AND THE NEW H HOMEOWNERS IN THAT AREA KNOW, HEY, THE CITY HAS PROGRAMS. AND HERE ARE THE PROGRAMS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO HAVE SOME ONE ON ONES IN THE COMMUNITY WITH YOUR OFFICE AND SOME TOWN HALL MEETINGS WITH YOUR OFFICE TO LET -- INVITE THEM AND GET THEM THERE, BUT I AM WILLING TO HELP YOU DO THAT. BECAUSE I THINK TO MY COLLEAGUES, IF WE GET THE WORD OUT, OFF OF THE SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING AND PUT IT -- SOME OF THE CHURCHES IN OUR AREA JUST TO HAVE SOME MEETINGS, I THINK YOU GUYS WILL HAVE THE BENEFIT THEIR LOOKING FOR AND THE NUMBERS WILL SHOW.

SO THAT IS MY FIRST QUESTION. SECOND QUESTION, I SEE ALL THE VACANT LOTS BEING -- BEING BOUGHT.

I DRIVE EVERY DAY AND I SEE ALL THE VACANT LOTS.

DO WE HAVE ANY PLANS OR ANY STRATEGY TO MAKE THESE CONTRACTORS WHO HAVE GONE ON HERE AND KNOW ABOUT THIS TO S SAY, HEY, LET'S NOT SIT ON IT. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO.

ANYTHING IN THE WORKS THAT SAYS HEY, YOU NEED TO HELP US OUT HERE AND BUILD SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING.

>> YES, SIR, MADAM MAYOR. WE HAVE TWO PROGRAMS THAT INITIALLY -- ONE HAS LAUNCHED AND ONE WILL SOON BE LAUNCHED.

THE LIEN REDUCTION PROGRAM IS SEPARATE FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INFILL KIND OF STRATEGY.

THAT IS MY MOST POPULAR PROGRAM TO DATE AND WE HAVE A RUNNING LIST. ULTIMATELY HERE IS HOW IT GOES.

YOU BUY THE PROPERTY OFF THE TAX DEED -- HOWEVER YOU ARE GETTING IT VERY LOW. HAS $100,000 WORTH OF LIENS CONTINUE TO. WHO GOING TO BUY IT AND BUILD ON IT. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

WE HAVE THIS PROGRAM WHERE WE WILL GO AHEAD AND WAIVE ALL OF THE SOFT COSTS, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANT ADMIN FEES AND ANY HARD COSTS. IF YOU HAD TO MOW THAT LOT OR BOARD UP THE WINDOWS AND THE CITY EXPENDED MONEY, REDUCE

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THEY WILL HAVE FIVE YEARS TO PAY THAT PART OFF.

REALLY NO UP-FRONT EXTREME COST.

IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT QUICKLY TIME PROVISIONS. I GOT TO CATCH YOU UP TO SPEED ON ALL THE CRAZY THINGS. 12 MONTHS TO PULL THE BUILDING PERMITS AND 12 MONTHS TO GET THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND THEY NEED TO BE READY TO GO.

THE RESIDENTIAL GRANTS IS A CASH INCENTIVE GRANT OF $2500 IF THEY BUILD WITHIN THE CERTAIN TIME PROVISION WHICH IS ALSO GOING TO BE 12 MONTHS. SO THAT IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO INCENTIVIZE MOVING FAST. UNFORTUNATELY, COMMISSIONER J.

JOHNSON KNOWS THE COST THE MATERIALS IS EXTREMELY HIGH.

EVEN GETTING ESTIMATES FOR OUR COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANTS.

THE CONTRACTORS ARE INUNDATED RIGHT NOW.

HOWEVER, WHEN WE ARE TYING THE CASH TO THE TIME, WE THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO INVENT SIZE SOME MOVEMENT EXPEDITIOUSLY.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO ADD.

THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENTS AND I THINK THEY ARE SPOT ON.

ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE I EMPHASIZE HERE AND I WANT TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION, AS A COMMISSIONER ALSO REPRESENTING AN AREA. WE ARE IN NEED OF HOMEOW HOMEOWNERSHIP. THERE ARE A LOT OF DEVELOPERS THAT ARE THAT HAVE PICKED UP THESE PROPERTIES AND DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR INTENTIONS ARE, BUT IT HAS TO BE SAID THAT OUR PARTNERSHIP SHOULD BE IN ONE WHERE WE ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO HELP PEOPLE OWN HOMES BECAUSE THAT IS TRULY WHERE WE WILL GET THE WHOLE TAKE OF COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD AND NEED TO MAKE SURE TO INCENTIVIZE THAT.

HOPEFULLY -- WE LOOK TO PARTNER WITH DEVELOPERS THAT WHETHER PARTNER WITH THE CITY TO HELP PUSH HOMEOWNERSHIP.

AND I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT THE CITY WAS IN RECEIPT OF A GRANT LAST YEAR TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAINING THE DEVELOPMENT OF PEOPLE WITH FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS AND WE WILL SEE THAT AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL PUT AN EMPHASIS ON THAT AND HOPEFULLY -- WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE EDC, BUT WE THINK MAY PLAY A PART AS THEY ARE WORKING TO BRING PARTNERS TO THIS AREA FOR WORK FORCE HOUSING THAT SOME OF OUR AREAS ARE GREAT FOR THAT AND HOPEFULLY WE ARE LETTING THEM KNOW AS WELL WHEN THEY ARE TALKING TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS AS THEY MOVE BUSINESSES AND DEVELOP BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP PARTNER WITH THEM. MAYBE INCENTIVES WE CAN OFFER FOR FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS WORKING AT THESE COMPANIES TO HELP GET INTO HOMEOWNERSHIP. A CREATIVE WAY THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD. I KNOW WE TALKED TO PETE AND EDC A LOT SPECIFICALLY OF HOMEOWNERSHIP AND COMPANIES THAT COME TO OUR AREA AND LET THEM KNOW AS WELL BECAUSE THEY WANT A STABLE WORK FORCE AND A PART THAT THEY MAYBE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT WILL MAYBE GET WHO HOMEOWNERSNIPE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOMEOWNERSHIP DRIVES A LOT OF THING.

NOT ONLY HOMEOWNERSHIP, BUT SAFETY, THERE IS A REDUCTION IN CRIME AS WELL, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT POPPED IN MY MIND AND ENGAGE EDC AND MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE PROGRAM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. SEEMS TO ME THAT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT AND A SUGGESTION FOR A SHORTER TIME FRAME.

SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR -- WHICH -- HOW DOES THE COMMISSION.

LET'S GIVE THEM DIRECTION. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT IT?

>> UPDATE IN SIX MONTHS. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM MAYOR, I MENTION A $YEAR ONLY AS AN EXAMPLE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK THAT IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, FOR

A YEAR. >> A RECOMMENDATION, LIKE YOU ALL, WE CAN BE PERSUADED EITHER WAY.

THE DATA IS NOT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: SIX MONTHS DURATION OR A YEAR? I AM FINE WITH SIX MONTHS.

I AM FINE WITH SIX MONTHS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I LIKE SIX MONTHS BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY.

WE DON'T KNOW -- WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. THERE IS JUST SO MUCH GOING ON WITH MATERIAL. WITH STAFF SHORTAGE.

EMPLOYMENT. A PANDEMIC.

I DON'T KNOW, I JUST -- WE DID GOOD ON THE FIRST TRY.

WE ARE DOING GOOD NOW. WE HAVE A BIG PROGRAM HERE.

I AM GOOD WITH APPROVING IT FOR SIX MONTHS OR HAVING IT COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSIONOR SE HAVE TO REAPPROVE IT OR EXTENDS IT ANOTHER SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT, I AM OKAY WITH THAT TOO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: UNDERSTANDING THAT THE DATA DELIVERABLE.

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>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WILL BE INCLUDED.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: SOME FORM OF A DELIVERABLE OR WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO HAPPEN IN THAT SIX MONTHS NEEDS TO BE A PART OF THIS TOO. SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO MEASURE AGAINST IN SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. AND WILL EITHER EXTENDS IT OR NOT. THAT WILL BE SUBSTANTIVE TO WHATEVER WE -- WE EXPERIENCE DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANOTHER THING YOU CAN DO IS JUST ASK PEOPLE YOU DEAL WITH. THIS INCENTIVE? DOES THIS MAKE THIS HAPPEN OR -- OR PEOPLE TURNING AWAY OR

WHATEVER. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: FOR SOME OF US PROCRASTINATORS KNOWING THERE IS A SHORT TIME

LIMIT ON IT -- >> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: -- I ALWAYS HANDLE THOSE FIRST.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY, MR. MIMMS AND MISS HARNIGE ARE YOU

[c. Report by Committee Chairperson Charles Hayek on the results of the Police Community Advisory Committee’s Community Survey. ]

CLEAR. >> I AM CLEAR.

>> MISS RANSOM. >> THE NEXT IS COMMENTS BY CHARLES CHARLES OF THE CITY COMMUNITY SURVEY.

>> MR. MIMMS. >> WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE POLICE COMMITTEE THAT IS GOING TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE RESULTS OF A SURVEY THAT HE CAME TO YOU TO DISCUSS MANY MONTHS AGO. AND NOW THAT SURVEY HAS BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO THE COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE THE FINDINGS.

>> MR. PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. HAYEK.

>> COMMISSIONERS AND MEMBERS OF THE DAIS, GOOD TO BE HERE AND PRESENT THIS SURVEY AFTER WORKING ON IT FOR SO LONG WITH YOU. I TRIED GET SOME INFORMATION TO YOU. I KNOW MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS GOT PART OF THE PACKAGE BUT DA COX OUT OF TOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOTTEN THE RESPONSE WHERE I TRIED TO QUANTIFY THE WRITTEN RESPONSES ON 14 AND 15.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM NOT SURE WE GOT IT EITHER.

>> BUT THE SURVEY DID COME OUT. OUR COMMITTEE LOOKED AT IT.

WE LOOKED AT THE RESULTS. AND WE WERE PLEASED AT THE RESULTS. AND IT SHOWED THAT MOST OF THE CITIZENS IN FORT PIERCE ARE HAPPY WITH THE JOB THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING IN FACT A LOT OF THE RESPONSES WERE, WE NEED MORE POLICE. WE NEED MORE COMMUNITY INTERACTION IS WITH POLICE. AND RAISE THEIR SALARIES.

WELL, THE CITY KEEPS GROWING. THE CITY KEEPS GROWING.

WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS. WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A FULL STAFF AS IT IS. SO IT IS REALLY HARD FOR THE NEW OFFICERS TO INTERACT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THAT IS WHAT THE CITIZENS REALLY WANT. THEY WANT TO KNOW THEIR POLICE OFFICERS BY NAME. THEY WANT TO SEE THE SAME FACES. THEY WANT TO SAY HI.

AND THEY FEEL LIKE THE POLICE CARE IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESULTS THAT I BELIEVE YOU ALL HAVE THE RESULTS IN GRAPH FORM.

>> WE DO. >> MOST PEOPLE ARE VERY SATISFIED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO WE HAVE TO WORK ON INCREASING PAY AND KEEPING OFFICERS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: RETENTION. >> OUR COMMITTEE WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTED WITH THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES WE HAVE GOTTEN WHICH WAS 143. BUT WHENEN I SPOKE TO JOE SWEAT, HE SAID THAT IS REALLY GOOD TURNOUT IN RESPONSES.

BUT THEN A WRITER FROM THE TC PALM CAME OUT WITH AN ARTICLE.

AND SHE SAID WELL THE POLICE ONLY GOT 143 RESPONSES BUT THE PARKING PROBLEM GOT 744 RESPONSES.

>> YOU ABOUT THE PARKING SURVEY SAID, IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH PARKING, YES OR NO. THAT WAS THEIR SURVEY.

SO IT DIDN'T TAKE TOO MUCH TO DO IT.

BUT IT SHOWS YOU THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HOT BUTTON ISSUE WHICH IS PARKING. IF PEOPLE AREN'T COMPLAINING OF

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ISN'T THAT GREAT THAT IS NOT A HOT BUTTON ISSUE.

>> WE COMMENT ABOUT THAT AT OUR MEETING.

OUR MONTHLY MEETINGS. THEY ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

WE HAVE TWO INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THE POLICE. THEY CAME AND SAT WITH US.

WE DISCUSSED IT. AND WE RESOLVED THEIR PROBLEMS AND MOVED FORWARD, BUT IF PEOPLE DON'T SHOW UP, OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE QUITE SATISFIED WITH THE JOB THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DOING. AND IF YOU LOOK AROUND WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE NATION WITH RIOTS AND PEOPLE SHOWING UP, WE NEED TO DEFUND THE POLICE AND THIS AND THAT, WE ARE NOT SEEING ANY FEEDBACK THAT WAY. I THINK PEOPLE ARE PROUD OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH THE

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MORE NEW HIRES. >> IS THAT THE MAIN RESULT OF

YOUR SURVEY IN YOUR OPINION? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. HAYEK? ANY DISCUSSION? YEAH, I WAS VERY PLEASED -- I READ ABOUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, THE RESULTS, AND SO -- AND THEN THAT -- WHEN -- WHEN I READ THE PACKET THIS WEEKEND AND WAS VERY PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY AND YOU CAN'T EVER TALK.HOW MANY OR WHAT THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T MAKE DECISION. YOU CAN'T MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT IN A VACUUM. BECAUSE THAT TOOK A WHILE TO COMPLETE THAT SURVEY. WASN'T A REAL QUICK SURVEY TO COMPLETE. SOMEBODY HAD TO THE CITY DOWN AND GIVE IT SOME TIME.

>> UNFORTUNATELY NOT THE WAY WE WANTED TO PRESENT THE SURVEY.

WE WERE HOPING TO HAVE MEETINGS AROUND THE CITY AND COMMUNITY CENTERS TO HELP THEM WITH THE SURVEY, BUT WITH COVID, WE WERE UNABLE TO DO THAT. AND AGAIN GOING BACK WITH THE TC PALM ARTICLE. A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT WEREN'T PROPERLY REPORTED PEOPLE ARE NEUTRAL --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: NOT SITTING AROUND WORRIED ABOUT IT.

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WHEN I READ THROUGH THE SURVEY AND PEOPLE COULD RESPOND TO THE SURVEY TO LASH OUT AND DO SOMETHING.

WHATEVER INTERACTION THEY HAD WITH OUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT. PUBLIC PERCEPTION.

WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO MANY MOVING PARTS. MANY MINUTES, 24 HOURS A DAY.

WE GO THROUGH THE CITIZENS ACADEMY AND I LEARN A WHOLE LOT AND ALL THESE MOVING PARTS ARE GOING ON AND YOU GET ONE SMALL GLIMPSE AND YOU MAKE YOUR OPINION OF WHAT THAT DEPARTMENT IS ALL ABOUT. AND I THINK REALLY THAT IS WHAT THIS ALL DID FOR ME. IT'S THAT LITTLE GLIMPSE OF WHAT IS GOING ON. BECAUSE IN MY YEARS HERE ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WASN'T DOING WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO DO, LET'S SAY, OR AT LEAST TRYING TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND INVOLVE THEM IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, WE HEARD IT HERE IN THIS -- IN THIS COMMISSION.

THEY SHOWED UP AND LINED UP AND TOLD US THAT WAS HAPPENING.

THAT IS A BETTER SURVEY TO ME. WHEN I GET PHONE CALLS ALL THE TIME SAYING, HEY, YOU GUYS AREN'T HERE.

THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS. I DON'T FEEL SAFE BLAH-BLAH-BLAH. AND I AM NOT HEARING THAT AS MUCH ANY MORE. I AM HEARING WE HAVE TAKEN -- THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS MOVED TO ANOTHER LEVEL SEE THEM OUT AND ALL THE COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES GOING ON.

THEY ARE IN AND AMONGST US ALL DAY LONG AS WE GO.

STILL WE ARE ONLY SEEING ONE ITTY-BITTY LITTLE GLIMPSE WHAT IS GOING ON AND THAT PERCEPTION WHAT WE NEED TO WORK ON.

YOU ARE RIGHT, WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THOSE POLICE OFFICERS AND MAKING SURE IT IT IS SUSTAINABLE THAT THEY ARE HERE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. AND THEY SPEND THEIR ENTIRE CAREER WORKING IN THIS COMMUNITY MAKING SURE THAT COMMUNITY IS WORKING AND OPERATING PROPERLY.

WE ALL TALK ABOUT WE CAN'T GROW FORT PIERCE.

WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IF WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE FEELING SAFE, THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK.

AND I THINK PEOPLE ARE NOW FEELING SAFE.

>> THE PERCEPTIONS ARE THERE BECAUSE IT IS BACK BY FACTS THAT WE ARE GETTING THE JOB DONE.

AND THAT MAKES ME REALLY HAPPY. AND SO I AM ALL ABOUT IT.

I THINK YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS SPOT ON.

AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY THE ISSUE THAT THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO FOR THAT SUSTAINABILITY. TO REACH OUT TO THOSE OFFICERS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE JUST NOT HERE FOR THE FIRST THREE YEARS AND THEY HEAD DOWN SOUTH AND GO NORTH.

THAT THEY SAY HERE AND THEIR CAREERS ARE DONE HERE AND THAT THEIR ENTIRE WORLD IS ABOUT FORT PIERCE AND ITS CITIZENS AND ITS VISITORS AND HOW WE WORK THROUGH THAT AS WE GO

FORWARD. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYONE ELSE?

COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF POLICE OFFICERS BEING MORE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. I SAW THAT FIRST HAND.

I COACH. SO I SAW THAT FIRSTHAND.

AND WHEN THE CHIEF FIRST ARRIVED, HER AND HER OFFICERS

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THAT LASTED ABOUT A WEEK. AND IT MEANS SOMETHING.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GET ANY OFFICERS IN TROUBLE, BUT MEANS SOMETHING FOR A KID TO PLAY CATCH WITH AN OFFICER.

IF IT IS JUST -- JUST ONE TOSS OF A BALL.

AND I SAW IT FIRST HAND. AND SO I SEEN THE CHIEF IS IN THE AUDIENCE. WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON IN YOUR WORLD, EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THE WORLD OF FORT PIERCE WITH EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW, DON'T FORGET THE KIDS.

BECAUSE YOU CAN GET TO THE KIDS WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING AND HAVING FUN, BEFORE YOU GET A CALL ABOUT THE KIDS, IT MAKES -- IT MAKES A MAJOR IFFERENCE. AND SO I AGREE -- IF WE CAN RETAIN THEM AND LET THEM BE ALL ABOUT FORT PIERCE AND BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND LIKE, AS YOU SAID, LET SOME OF THESE KIDS KNOW THESE OFFICERS BY THE FIRST NAME.

EVEN THOUGH AT THE PARK, IT WAS ALWAYS OFFICER BOB OR CHIEF WHATEVER. NEVER LET THEM CALL THEM BY THEIR FIRST NAME AND RESPECT THING AND GOES A LONG WAY.

AND GOES A LONG WAY. AND EVEN WHEN THE OFFICERS ARE NOT ON DUTY AS THEY SEE THESE KIDS.

THESE KIDS RECOGNIZE THEM AND I AGREE.

IF WE CAN GET THESE OFFICERS IN AND DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO LET THEM INTERACT MORE WITH THE YOUTH IN THE COMMUNITY NOW THAT -- NOT AFTER THEY GET A CALL BUT BEFORE THEY GET A CALL IT WILL SOLVE SO MANY PROBLEMS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE COURAGEOUS KIDS PROGRAM AT FIRST STEP PARK?

>> NO, I WAS NOT. I COACHED AT NORTH SIDE LITTLE LEAGUE. NORTH SIDE LITTLE LEAGUE AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE CHIEF WHEN SHE FIRST GOT HERE KIND OF HAD HER POLICE DEPARTMENT ADOPT THAT PARK.

AND THEY STARTED BY JUST DOING DRIVE BYS AND GET OUT AND SAY HELLO TO THE KIDS AND THE KIDS JUST GOT -- THE KIDS JUST GOT USED TO THEM. I GUESS THEY GOT BUSY AND IT KIND OF DIED DOWN MORE, BUT IF WE DO MORE THINGS LIKE THIS -- AND WE HAVE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AROUND HERE.

OTHER PARKS AROUND HERE. FOOTBALL FEEDS AND WE JUST HAD THAT NATIONAL TEAM JUST TO SHOW UP.

>> THE KIDS IN MY DISTRICT SEE THE OFFICERS IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT WHEN THEY ARE THERE CHEERING THEM ON INSTEAD OF, HEY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING. SO IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING JUST TO GET MORE INTERACTIONS BEFORE WE GET A CALL THAT A KID IS DOING SOMETHING, SAW FIRST HAND THE DIFFERENCE MADE AT MY PARK.

>> YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. AND THE CURE RIGHTEOUS KIDS PROGRAM STARTED THREE YEARS AGO AT FIRST STEP PARK AND EVERY TUESDAY THE KIDS KNEW THEY COULD COME.

THE POLICE OFFICER WOULD PLAY BALL WITH THEM.

THEY WOULD SERVE THEM DINNER. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: IT

MAKES A DIFFERENCE. >> THE PROGRAM WAS STOPPED BECAUSE OF COVID. AND THE CHIEF SAID I NEED TO GET THIS PROGRAM GOING. I SEE THE KIDS UNSUPERVISED.

THEY LACK THE GUIDANCE THEN GETTING FROM US.

AND WE NEED TO GET THE PROGRAM STARTED BUT WITH THE HAVE YOU VIRUS COMING THROUGH, IT IS HARDS TO RESTART SOME OF THESE

PROGRAMS. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I UNDERSTAND WITH THE PANDEMIC AND EVERYTHING GOING ON, EVENTUALLY HOPEFULLY WE GET PAST ALL THIS PANDEMIC STUFF.

>> HOPEFULLY. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: HOPEFULLY BUT IF WE DON'T, WE NEED A WAY TO WORK AROUND IT AND GET CONNECTION WITH THE KIDS.

BECAUSE THE MORE INTERACTION WE HAVE WITH THE KIDS.

THE LESS CALLS WE ARE GOING TO GET.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE BETTER OUR FUTURE.

>> AND NOT HAVE THIS COMMISSION FILLED UP WITH COMPLAINTS.

I HAVE SEEN IT FIRST HAND. I KNOW.

I JUST WANT TO SAY I BELIEVE THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

>> I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ALSO IN THAT SAME VEIN, OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN EXCELLENT AT MOORE AND MCCARTY. AND THOSE OFFICERS DO COMPACTLY WHAT YOU SAY, BECAUSE THEY ARE. THEY ARE THERE EVERY DAY AND THEY INTERACT WITH KIDS IN A POSITIVE WAY.

ALMOST A MENTOR KIND OF WAY AND I WISH WE DO MORE FROM -- I THINK THE FPRA IS PAYING FOR THAT.

I THINK THAT IS A FPRA PROGRAM AND THAT IS A REAL POSITIVE INFLUENCE OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH YOUNG PEOPLE.

>> THE BIGGEST CONCERN -- AND AT THAT CAME OUT IN THE SURVEY -- IS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. SOME SAID WE EXPECT THE POLICE

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SOME SAY WE ARE NOT DOING BUT THE POLICE OFFICERS ARE NOT

MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THEY ARE ASKING ASKED TO DO THAT, MARRIAGE COUNSELING, DOMESTIC

VIOLENCE, THE WHOLE GAMUT. >> WE GET THE ARREST REPORTS ON A DAILY BASIS AND 30% TO 40% ARE BAKER ACT.

THESE OFFICERS AREN'T TRAINED TO DO THAT.

THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACT IN SOME OF THE CASES SO WE GOT TO FIGURE THAT OUT AND NOT A PROBLEM JUST IN FORT PIERCE, BUT ALL OVER THE

COUNTRY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YEP.

COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MR. HAYEK AND YOUR COMMITTEE, THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS.

WE EMBARKED UPON THIS AND LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF THINGS.

TRYING TO GET DATA AS TO THE PERCEPTION OF THE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT. AND WHAT IT IS NOW, WE HAVE SOME DAY. AND SO WE HAVE A STARTING POINT. I THINK WHEN I LOOK AT THE DATA, IT IS A STARTING POINT. IT IS BEYOND A IF I MALL IN TEE WHEN IT COMES TO IT. IT ENCOURAGES US TO HAVE THESE CONSTANT CHECK BACKS WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND I WOULD CHALLENGE YOUR COMMITTEE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SMALLER SUB SURVEYS WHERE YOU -- WHERE YOU LOOK AT AND SOLICIT THE CHURCHES TO GIVE FEEDBACK AND FIND THE PASTORS AND CIRCULATE AMONG THEM TO CIRCULATE THE FEEDBACK. I THINK THE MORE INFORMATION WE HAVE AND WHAT I GLEAN FROM T THIS, THE BETTER WE ARE GOING TO BE, RIGHT. SOME OF THE THINGS I LOOKED AT THAT OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION WILL TAKE UPON AND WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND RETENTION, PAY, ETC.

THOSE ARE THINGS WE CAN CONTROL.

THE PERCEPTION OF THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT YOUR ADVISORY AS WELL AS THE CHIEF AND HER STAFF CONTROLS.

AND THAT IS WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR.

THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PERCEPTION OF THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD IMPLORE YOU, RIGHT, TO CONTINUE TO WIND WAYS TO GET THAT FEEDFWRABINGT COMMUNITY AND CHANGES FROM DAY IN, DAY OUT, SITUATION FROM SITUATION.

THE LAST COMMENT YOU BROUGHT UP AS FAR AS SOME OF THE DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE BAKER ACT AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND CREATIVELY OF THE CALL LOGS AND WHAT THE OFFICER NEEDS TO DO. WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

I SEE THOSE REPORTS AND I GET EQUALLY CONCERNED.

BY ON SOME OF THOSE CALLS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON AND THAT WE ALL -- THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE ADVISORY AND STAFFING OF POLICE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT TO REALLY FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT WE CAN INVITE PARTNERSHIP IN OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP DEAL WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF AND GET THE APPROPRIATELY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS THAT DEAL WITH SOME OF THESE MENTAL HEALTH BAKER ACT SITUATIONS. I THINK WHAT I WANT TO HEAR AND WHAT I AM SUGGESTING TO YOU FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS THAT WE WILL LOOK AT OUR PART, BUT, YOU KNOW, 143 IS 143 RESPONSES.

DATA, RIGHT. STATISTICALLY, YOU CAN PICK IT APART AND MAKE IT STATISTICALLY RELEVANT.

I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO STATISTICS TODAY, BUT IN MY OPINION 20,000 PLUS -- CLOSE TO 50,000 RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND I WOULD IMPLORE US TO CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR EARS ON AND CONTINUE TO USE THESE TO SURVEY THESE SUBSETS OF OUR COMMUNITY TO SEE. ONE OF THE THINGS I LOOK FOR IN THE DATA IS WHEN YOU LOOK FOR TOOLS LIKE THIS DETERMINE GEOGRAPHICALLY WHERE ARE THE RESULTS COME FROM AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP ON MY DISPLAY BUT DIDN'T SHOW ME A HEAT MAP SAYING IT CAME FROM THIS PART OF FORT PIERCE OR THAT PART. WHAT WE DID SEE WAS THE AGE BREAKDOWN. WHAT WAS MISSING IS THE SUBSECTIONS OF YOUNGER AND MIDDLE AGE.

THE LARGE RESPONSE DRIVEN BY THE 55 AND PLUS OLDER CROWD AS A PERSON WHO HAS DONE SURVEYED -- SURVEYS BEFORE.

MY CHALLENGE TO US, HOW DO WE GET THAT LISTENS VOICE TO THOSE WHO DIDN'T RESPOND AND CHALLENGE OURSELVES AS GOOD STEWARDS OF THE COMMUNITY TO HEAR IT AND NOT CONDEMNING ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE BUT CHALLENGING US TO SAY HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. I THINK WHEN WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT PEOPLE ON ADVISORY BOARDS, THE POLICE ADVISORY BOARDS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE THINK ABOUT THAT.

IF WE GET THOSE TYPE OF VOICES ON THAT, MIGHT HELP US GET TO AREAS OF COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT RESPONSIVE AT ALL.

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I AM VERY PLEASED WITH IT. I THINK IT IS A GREAT STARTING POINT. IT IS -- IT IS WHAT IT IS AND LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET EVEN MORE DATA.

>> MADAM MAYOR, TO BUILD ON THAT, CHARLIE.

WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? I THINK THESE ENGAGEMENT SURVEYS NEED TO HAPPEN ANNUALLY IF NOT MORE FREQUENT THAN THAT.

BUT ANNUAL IS A GOOD TEST, IN MY OPINION, JUST TO SEE HOW WE ARE DOING AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AS A COMMUNITY, AS THIS COMMISSION, AND AS AN ADMINISTRATION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHAT IS YOUR GOAL?

>> AGAIN, ALL DUE TO COVID. IF THE OUTBREAK GOES AWAY AND PEOPLE ARE NOT AFRAID TO GET INTO GROUPS ANYMORE, WE WOULD LIKE TO GO TO THE CHURCHES AND MEETING AREAS.

AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE ONE PASTOR ON OUR COMMITTEE AND SHE WOULD BE A GREAT END ROAD FOR THAT TO GET IT INTO THE CHURCH, BUT WE

NEED TO GET PAST THIS PANDEMIC. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: SURE. THAT IS THE CHALLENGE, RIGHT.

WE HAVE COME UP WITH OTHER CREATIVE WAYS TO DISSEMINATE AND RECEIVE INFORMATION. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE WHEN I FIRST CAME ON AS A COMMISSIONER IS HOW MANY DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS DO WE HAVE.

WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE. WHO GOES TO THOSE.

AND I BELIEVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OVER THE YEARS HAS ALREADY ATTENDED OR MOSTLY ATTENDS MOST OF THOSE ASSOCIATION MEETINGS. WHO DO WE TALK TO IN THOSE ASSOCIATIONS NOW TO SAY HERE IS THE INFORMATION.

HOW TO GET THAT TO YOUR ASSOCIATION.

HOW DO WE GET THAT TO YOUR CHURCH.

LET THEM GIVE YOU THE ANSWER. DON'T TRY TO RE-CREATE THE WHEEL AND GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO THEIR FOLKS.

THEY ARE DOING THAT. CHURCHES ARE STILL MEETING.

TIME IN A CHURCH. I GO EVERY SUNDAY.

MOSTLY EVERY SUNDAY. I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT.

SO THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE, RIGHT.

SO HOW DO WE DO IT? LET THEM USE THEIR PLATFORM.

LET THEM USE THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM AND E-MAIL BLAST SYSTEM TO DISSEMINATE THEIR INFORMATION AND GIVE FEEDBACK.

MAYBE INCREASE OUR NUMBERS AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION AND JUST A SUGGESTION ON BEING CREATIVE HOW TO CONTINUE THIS AND ALSO I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT THIS -- THIS IS GREAT INFORMATION AND I FIRM ME BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO THIS ANNUALLY. I THINK -- YOU CAN NEVER HAVE

TOO MUCH DATA, RIGHT. >> YOU ARE RIGHT.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS NOT ENOUGH OF A RESPONSE, BUT IT GIVES YOU A FEELING THAT THERE REALLY WERE NO MAJOR COMPLAINTS. FUNNY, YOU COULD GO THROUGH AND READ EACH RESPONSE AND SAY, OH, THIS GUY GOT A TICKET.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAVE FOR THE CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF AND PASS THIS TO DEPUTY CHIEF, AND I ANSWERED SURVEY READING THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERING ITS DATA. I AM ON THE ABOVE AVERAGE, SATISFIED AND ABOVE SATISFIED FOR BOTH OF YOU IN MY INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS. IN MY FIVE YEARS HERE ON THE COMMISSION AND EVALUATING ANDING THE DEPARTMENT GROW, CHANGE, CHANGE AGAIN, GROW AGAIN.

US WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS TO GET THROUGH OUR BUDGETARY CHALLENGES, PANDEMIC AND ALL OF THE ABOVE.

I FEEL VERY GOOD CHIEF AND I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

WE ARE IN A GOOD SPOT. AND THANK YOU FOR THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU AND YOUR ADMINISTRATION BRINGS TO THE DEPARTMENT. I AM VERY PROUD OF OUR DEPARTMENT. AND I HAVE TOLD NEW MEETINGS, I WANT TO BE THE LEAD AGENCY AND THE HIGHEST WHETHER IT IS IN PAY AND OR ATTRACTION. I WANT TO GO TO FORT PIERCE TO BE A POLICE OFFICER. THAT IS MY MANTRA.

THAT IS MY MOTZO. THAT IS WHAT I KEEP THINKING.

THE TOLD THE CHIEF AND MANAGER THAT.

WE ARE ALMOST THERE BUT I WANT TO THERE AND BE LOUD AND PROUD THAT THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS THE PLACE TO BE AND TO WORK AND LIVE. AND TO INCENTIVIZE ITEM THAT IS BROUGHT TO THE EMPLOYMENT GROUP OF FORT PIERCE AND SPECIFIC TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT YEARS AGO AND MR. MIMMS.

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AS YOU ARE SITTING HEREED A COMMITTEE, CONTINUE TO THINK OF THOSE THINGS TOO. MY GOAL IS TO BE THAT -- THAT LEAD AGENCY ON THE TREASURE COAST.

WHATEVER IT -- WHATEVER THAT MEANS TO YOU.

I KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO ME. SO KEEP THAT AS YOUR DRIVING

FORCE TO, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER, THAT HAS COME UP AT OUR MEETINGS ALSO. A NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT LEFT FORT PIERCE DUE TO HIGH PAY -- HIGHER PAY.

THEY COME BACK AND SAID I WISH I NEVER DID THAT.

FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS LIKE FAMILY TO ME.

WE GOT THAT FEELING, BUT THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO WORK ON SALARIES AND MAKING SURE OUR OFFICERS ARE PAID COMMENSURATE WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THE OTHER STATISTIC THAT COMES UP IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF CALLS PER OFFICER.

>> OUR OFFICERS. THE CALLS PER SERVICE ARE ABOUT 500 A WEEK AS OPPOSED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THAT DOES LESS THAN 100. OUR GUYS ARE OVERWORKED.

THEY ARE PUTTING OUT 110%. YOU CAN'T REALLY DO 110 -- BUT THEY ARE WORKING HARD AND SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORK ON AND WE NEED MORE OFFICERS AND BETTER PAY.

THE GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. THE CHIEF HAVE BARBECUES TO KEEP THE PEOPLE AND THE FAMILY ATMOSPHERE TOGETHER AND SHE IS WORKING WELL AT THAT. WE JUST NEED TO KEEP OUR OFFICERS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO LEARN THE CLIENT.

LEARN THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO WORK TOGETHER.

WE WILL GET THE DATA FOR YOU, AND YOU GUYS WORK ON GETTING

THE PAY INCREASE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: YOU ARE RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

YOU LOOK AT THE GENERATION COMING AND GENERATION THAT IS RETIRING. THAT IS WHERE I START TO LOOK.

HOW DO I FILL THE GAP IN BETWEEN? WHO IS HERE WITH THE ATTITUDE I AM GOING TO RETIRE HERE.

WHO IS HERE WITH THE ATTITUDE I AM PUMPING OUT MY 300, 400.

WHATEVER CALLS OF SERVICE THAT I HAVE TO DEAL WITH, AND THEY ARE WOK IT BECAUSE THEY LOVE THEIR JOB.

THEY LOVE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. AND BEING PAID WELL TO DO THAT.

THOSE ARE ALL THOSE FACTORS. AND I LOOK AT IT ALL THE TIME.

AND IT IS INDUSTRY -- IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH INDUSTRY YOU PICK, THIS IS HAS. WE CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND ADAPT TO WHAT THIS GENERATION IS TELLING US.

WHAT IS THIS GENERATION. WHETHER IT IS GEN-X, GEN-Z -- BABY BOOMERS, YOU ARE ALREADY RETIRING -- I DON'T COUNT YOU OUT YET. THEY ARE RETIRING AND GOOD FOR YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND ALL THE TIME EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO. SO I CHALLENGE YOUR COMMITTEE TO DO THAT IN AUDITION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

-- IN ADDITION TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON BECAUSE I AM PROUD OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HERE IN FORT PIERCE.

WE HAVE COME THROUGH TOUGH TIMES.

WHEN THE NATION WAS PUTTING THEIR EYES ON LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WE -- WE KEPT IMPROVING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND KEPT IMPROVING OUR PUBLIC SERVICE AND OUR DEDICATION TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND THIS -- THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I AM VERY PROUD OF AND VERY CAUTIOUS OF BECAUSE AS A NATION, WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH A TOUGH TIME.

IN OUR BUBBLE IN FORT PIERCE, WE HAVE BEEN IMPROVING, I THINK. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TRY DO IS I GO THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BREAKFAST WHERE THE CHIEF OWNERS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND A CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE AND SHE SHOWS -- SHOWS TO THE ASSEMBLED GROUP WHICH IS 60 PEOPLE. TELLS THE STORY OF WHAT THAT OFFICER DID AND HOW HE OR SHE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND AND THE RESULT. AND IT GIVES EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM AN APPRECIATION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AN EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY A PROMOTIONAL OPPORTUNITY.

A LOT OF WAY FOR LEADERSHIP ARE SHOWING APPRECIATION TO OUR OFFICERS AND -- AND -- AND HELPING THEM GROW AND WANTING THEM NO KNOW THAT THIS COMMISSION APPRECIATES IT.

AND I KNOW AT THE END, IT IS ABOUT MORE MONEY TO TAKE HOME.

I DO KNOW THAT. AND WE HAVE A GREAT -- AS A GROUP, THIS COMMISSION HAS A GREAT APPRECIATION FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND WE LOOK FORWARD

TO HEARING FROM YOU AGAIN. >> ABSOLUTELY.

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

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>> NEXT COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THIS IS THE TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

COME FORWARD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU WILL GET A WARNING LIGHT. MISS RANSOM, YOU KNOW HOW TO DO

THE TIMER. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD MORNING, WELCOME.

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY HERE, MAYOR HUDSON. I WILL HAVE --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: STATE YOUR NAME FIRST.

>> [INAUDIBLE] I AM PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE IN FORT PIERCE.

I WANT TO GO REALLY QUICK ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE WALKER PROJECT FEE. I AIR AGREE IT IS NECESSARY BUT I AGREE IT IS TOO MUCH. I AGREE SOMETHING THAT AS PROFESSIONALS THEY SHOULD THE ONGOING KINGS PLANT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PAID ATTENTION TO AND SHOULDN'T JUST BE THIS VACUUM.

THEY SAID SOMETHING SHOULD BE THERE SINCE IT IS AILS A HOTEL DISCUSSION. ALWAYS RETAIL DISCUSSION.

AND JUST TO SAY THAT IT WASN'T -- IT IS A NEW THING.

THERE WILL BE A NEW THING TOMORROW.

THERE WILL BE A CAFE TOMORROW. EVERY WEEK WE WILL HAVE TO DO ANOTHER REVAMP OF THE WHOLE THING.

I THINK IF WE FOCUS ON IT BEING A VERY CENTERED FOCUS PRONG AND WE TRY -- BY THE WAY, AND ALSO I AM CO-CHAIR OF THE PARKING COMMITTEE AND DISCUSSED IT WITH THE CHAIR.

IF WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE A $10,000 FEE TO IDENTIFY THE GARAGE. BECAUSE EVERYTHING ELSE HAS BEEN REHASHED THREE TIMES. SO EVERY SINGLE SIX MONTHS REHASH, REHASH, AND COME -- I THINK IT IS AN EXORBITANT FEE, SO WE CAN FOCUS ON -- -- OKAY. WE NEED HELP WITH THIS SPECIFIC TOPIC AND THAT IS THE GARAGE LOCATION.

A FEE WE HAVE BUDGETED. $10,000.

ASSIST US WITH THAT. AND THAT WAY SIX MONTHS LATER, WE HAVE ANOTHER IDENTIFIED PROJECT.

WE HAVE THE FISHERMAN'S WHARF PROJECT.

HELP WITH US IDENTIFYING SOLUTIONS HERE AND DONE PROJECT BY PROJECT TO WE DON'T KEEP REHASHING.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THEF FEES, THEY ARE EXCESSIVE.

THERE IS THAT. THE RAILROAD ADJACENT PARKING AREA THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE PARKING COMMITTEE.

I THINK THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL AND WILL BE VERY BEN FITCH SHALL TO THE COURTHOUSE. I THINK BRINGING IN THE COUNTY TO SEE IF THEY CAN PARTICIPATE WITH THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE A GREAT BENEFIT FROM THESE ADDITIONAL SPACES AND DO A COLLABORATION WITH THE COUNTY.

A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WHERE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND IT HELPS BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY RELIEVING SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES. MAYBE WE CAN THINK INCORPORATING THE COUNTY. THOSE ARE TWO THINGS.

ONLY THEY MINUTES. MORATORIUM FEE SCHEDULED AND TAX INCENTIVES TOWARD REDEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES.

I THINK IF WE DID SOMETHING TO INCENTIVIZE WITH A TIME FRAME.

WHERE IF SOMEBODY PURCHASES A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR INFILL REDEVELOPMENT, THEY SHOULD HAVE A TIME TIME TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. IS MY TIME UP?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS US? SEEING NO MOVEMENT, WE WILL CLOSE THIS PART OF THE MEETING. AND MOVE ON.

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

MISS RANSOM. >> CITY COMMISSION BOARD AND

UPDATES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST?

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SURE.

NOTHING TO REPORT. MY BOARDS HAVE NOT MET YET.

>> I AM THE SAME. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ASK ME.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: JUST BRIEFLY.

ONE IS THE SUNRISE THEATRE. WE WERE PLANNING A RECEPTION FOR -- FOR MR. LITTLE. AND THIS WHICH WAS SCHEDULED FOR THE 12TH. AND THERE WAS A GALA FOR THE 23 22ND OF JANUARY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THAT BUT THEY ARE CANCELLED DUE TO COVID.

THE FOUNDATION HAS REALIZED THE FACT THIS IS PROBABLY NOT A GOOD TYPING FOR THAT. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT HAPPENED. BRIEFLY, JUST TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON THE JC PARK COMMITTEE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF SETBACKS WITH COVID TALKING OF DESIGN DAY GETTING INTO THE SCHOOLS.

WE LOST ONE SCHOOL ALREADY. IF WE CAN'T, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT VIRTUALLY. WE ARE STILL MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. PUBLIC WORKS WILL BE PUTTING UP A SIGN SO THAT FOLKS WILL KNOW THAT SOMETHING IS HAPPENING THERE THAT THE CITY HAVEN'T JUST FORGOTTEN ABOUT ITS FAVORITE PACK AT JC PARK AND SOMETHING WILL BE COMING BACK

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AND THAT SHOULD HAPPEN THE NEXT WEEK WITH PUBLIC WORKS GOING ON. OTHER THAN THAT, RETIREMENT.

THAT WAS KIND OF A BUNCH OF RETIREMENTS LAST MONTH.

NOTHING GOING ON THERE. AND THE PARKING COMMITTEE -- YOU HAD THE BEST REPORT FROM MR. BRODERICK RIGHT THERE.

KNOW IT IS A LITTLE CONTENTIOUS BECAUSE YOU JUST HEARD THE -- THE VICE-CHAIRMAN -- NOT CO--- THE VICE-CHAIRMAN KIND OF CONTRADICT EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING.

SO YOU CAN TELL WHAT OUR WORLD IS LIKE ALL THE TIME, THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE. AND IT DOES GET SCRAMBLED AROND A WHOLE LOT. VERY COMPLEX ISSUES THAT ARE HAPPENING THERE. AND THAT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE CONSENSUS KIND OF RULES OUT AND GIVES US A CLEAR PATH OF WHICH WAY TO GO AND THOSE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE

CONSISTENT WITH THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: EVERYTHING GETS AIRED AND NOT EVERYTHING --

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: IT'S CRAZY.

THE HOUR GOES BY SO FAST BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEAT AND POUNDING BACK AND FORTH.

A VERY DYNAMIC COMMITTEE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE ON THAT. WOW.

COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> MADAM MAYOR, I WENT TO THE FIRST MEETING OF THE TREASURE COAST COUNCIL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I HEARD. EVERYBODY WAS PLEASED TO SEE

YOU. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: VERY INTERESTING MEETING. I THINK I WILL LEARN A LOT FROM THAT GROUP. THANK YOU FOR STEERING ME TH THERE. A COUPLE OF HOUSE BILLS THAT CAME UP FOR DISCUSSION THAT THE GROUP IS ANYTHING OF SUPP SUPPORTING. WRITING A MEMORANDUM TO SUP SUPPORT. I THINK --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WILL GET A COPY OF IT AND THEN SHARE IT

WITH ALL OF US. >> ONCE IT IS DONE I WILL GET A COPY AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

I HAVE MEETINGS THAT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING.

AND I AM COMPLETING OR I THINK I HAVE COMPLETED THE APPOINTMENTS THAT -- THAT YOU GUYS GAVE ME WHEN I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET FOR THE BO BOARDS.

MOST OF MY PEOPLE WANTED TO FINISH OUT THE TERM AND THEY AGREED. AND I HAVE TWO NEW APPOINTMENTS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR THAT ARE -- THAT ARE PUTTING

APPLICATIONS IN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: BOARDS?

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I HAVE A COUPLE OF YOUNG PEOPLE.

AN ATTORNEY AND PRELAW STUDENT THAT GRADUATED CAME BACK IN.

HAS BEEN IN FOR A YEAR TO PUT THAT -- TO PUT THEM ON.

SO I AM UP AND RUNNING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: TRY TO CATCH UP WITH EVERYBODY AND

THAT IS MY REPORT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WILL SKIP YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID TO SKIP YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I HAVE ONE I SHOULD ANNOUNCE BECAUSE MAIN STREET. THE REVERSE RAFFLE IS STILL ON AT THIS POINT. WE MAY BE DOING IT VIRTUAL AND IN PERSON. MAY BE A COMBINED --

>> SEND MY CHECK. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: SEND IT TO DORIS. >> SEND MY WINS.

I AM GOING TO WIN. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: COMING UP IN M MID-FEBRUARY AND IMPORTANT TO MAIN STREET AND ALL THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING.

FRIDAY FEST, AS USUAL, GO WELL. AND JUST ANOTHER CHALLENGE, RIGHT. ANOTHER CHALLENGE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE HEARD FRIDAY NIGHT DOWNTOWN FORT

PIERCE. >> IT WAS.

I DROVE THROUGH TO CHECK IT OUT AND IT WAS GOING.

BUT OVERALL, MAIN STREET IS TRYING TO CONTINUE AS MANY ACTIVITIES AS POSSIBLE AND JUST WORKING THROUGH LIKE WE DID WHEN WE START THIS IN 2020. MARCH OF 2020.

HERE WE ARE. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT'S IT? GUILT QUICKLY.

THE LEGISLATURE CONVENES TOMORROW.

THE TREASURE COAST -- THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY HAVE CONFERENCE CALLS ON MONDAY -- OF COURSE I MISSED THE ONE TODAY -- FOR -- TELLING US WHAT HAPPENED THE PREVIOUS WEEK AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I WILL BE ON THAT CALL NEXT MONDAY AND FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AUTHORITY IS CELEBRATING ITS 50TH ANNIVERSARY AND AT FRIDAY FEST AND THEY HAVE SPONSORED COFFEE WELL MAYOR.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE HAVING -- COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR AND THEY WILL HAVE CELEBRATIONS ALL MONTH LONG AS LONG AS COVID PERMITS. THE DISTRICT THAT MEET NEXT WEEK AND SPEAKING TO THE ST. LUCIE HISTORICAL SAFETY OF THE HISTORY OF THE DISTRICT THURSDAY JANUARY 20.

SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

I WILL BE ATTENDING THAT. WITH THAT, I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAVE. IF NOTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD --

YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: ALL ON OUR CALENDARS.

I WILL TRY GET TO SOME BUT FOR SURE THE PARADE.

FOR SURE. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER. IF NOT, WE WILL ADJOURN.

IF EVERYBODY WILL MOVE OUT OF THE CHAMBERS.

WE WILL BE PACKING UP OUR STAFF.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ANYBODY ON THE DAIS YOU CAN DO IT OUTSIDE IN THE FOYER. WE ARE ADJOU

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