[ C I T Y O F F O R T P I E R C E PROPOSED PARKING ORDINANCE WORKSHOP AGENDA Proposed Parking Ordinance Workshop - Monday, February 28, 2022 - 9:00 a.m. City Hall - Commission Chambers, 100 North U.S. #1, Fort Pierce, Florida]
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>> THIS IS MONDAY, FEBRUARY 28TH AND THIS IS A PARKING ORDINANCE WORKSHOP. PLEASE CALL THE
>> COMMISSIONER. COMMISSIONER GAINES.
COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON. >> HERE
>> COMMISSIONER CHRIS JOHNSON. >> PRESENT.
>> WILL YOU PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IS STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> THE AGENDA TODAY. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED PARKING MADAM MAYOR, W REPRESENTATIVES FROM WALKER PARKER CONSULTANTS AS WELL AS OUR SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATOR THAT STAFFS THE PARKING COMMITTEE AND THE INFAMOUS PEGGY, OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY RESPONSE.
THEY WILL BE WALKING US THROUGH A PRESENTATION AND HOPEFULLY ACHIEVE OUR OBJECTIVE TODAY TO ACHIEVE COMMUNITY INPUT SO YOU ALL CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
>> WE ARE TAKING NO VOTES, THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
>> WELCOME, WHICH OF YOU WOULD . >> I WILL START, HOWEVER WE'RE STILL WALKING ON WALKER CONSULTANTS TO CALL IN AND THEY
>> SO THAT WOULD BE MR. CORBETT AND TOP ZUPKA.
I WILL GIVE A BACKGROUND TO BRING EVERYBODY UP TO SNUFF.
THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE INFORMATION AS IT RELATED TO DIFFERENT LEVELS OF SERVICE FOR THIS ORDINANCE AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PAID PARKING.
SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THEIR ROLE. BUT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GET
I HEAR YOU DID SUCH A FABULOUS JOB IN TALLAHASSEE.
>> JUST TO GIVE THE COMMISSION A BACKGROUND, WE STARTED THIS PROCESS BACK IN JUNE 2020. AT THAT TIME, THE PARKING COMMITTEE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO HAVE WALKER CONSULTANTS TO UPDATE OUR 2016 PARKING STUDY BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT THE DEVELOPMENT OF KING'S LANDING AND OTHER ACTIVITY IN FORT PIERCE AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE AHEAD OF THE EIGHT BALL IN ADDRESSING THE PARKING SITUATION OR CHALLENGES WE FACED AS A CITY. SO WE MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT.
THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSAL WAS COMPLETED IN JULY 2020, AND THE PROPOSAL OR THE UPDATE WAS COMPLETED IN JANUARY 2021.
AND THEY MADE A PRESENTATION AT THAT TIME.
THE PARKING COMMITTEE MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE IMMEDIATE ACTIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED IN THIS STUDY.
AS PART OF THOSE IMMEDIATE ACTIONS WAS THEY WERE IMPLEMENTATION OF A PAID PARKING SYSTEM WITHIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE A AND B AS INDICATED IN THE PARKING STUDY AND DEVELOPING AN RFP TO IDENTIFY A THIRD PARTY VENDOR TO ADMINISTER THE PAID PARKING SYSTEM AS PROPOSED BY THE PARKING STUDY.
PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PAID PARKING SYSTEM, THE PARKING ORDINANCE HAD TO BE REVISED AND IT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY AND THE SUBJECT OF THIS WORKSHOP.
WE ARE AT VERSION 7 I BELIEVE. SINCE OUR LAST PRESENTATION TO YOU AND JUST SO TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHAT WE DID TO PROMOTE THIS AND LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW ABOUT IT.
WE ATTENDED THE MEETING OF THE JANUARY MEETING OF THE DBA TO EXTEND A PERSONAL INVITATION TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WERE AT THAT MEETING. WE PROVIDED A HARD COPY OF THE VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS AVAILABLE AT THAT TIME.
IN ADDITION, THEY ENCOURAGED US, THE DBA ENCOURAGED US TO SEND AN E-MAIL TO TIM AT FLORIDA HEMP COLLECTIVE SO HE COULD FORWARD THE INFORMATION USE THE DISTRIBUTION LIST AND SEND THE INFORMATION OUT ABOUT THE WORKSHOP.
WE ALSO ENCOURAGED OUR PARKING COMMITTEE MEMBERS TO ALSO HELP GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT THIS WORKSHOP SO WE CAN DISCUSS AND
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PROVIDE INPUT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I SENT ANOTHER E-MAIL TO THE ALMOST 1300 BUSINESSES WHO POSSESS A BTR, AN ACTIVE BTR IN OUR CITY AND PROVIDED AN E-MAIL.SO 1300 E-MAILS WENT OUT AND WE ALSO HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA
POSTING. >> BEFORE YOU GO ON, I SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR COUNTY CLERK IN THE AUDIENCE WITH HER.
SO TODAY HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE WALKER TO JOIN US WITH THIS PRESENTATION. IT WOULD BE TOM ZUPKA, AND JOHN CORBETT AND PEGGY. IN ADDITION TO PEGGY STEERING THE SHIP ON OUR ORDINANCE, WE GOT THE INPUT ON THE MARINA AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING, STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING COLLABORATIVELY TOGETHER TO BRING FORTH BEFORE YOU A PROPOSED ORDINANCE, NOTHING HASN'T WRITTEN IN STONE AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE COME UP
WITH SO FAR. >> CONSIDER IT A DRAFT.
>> YES, MA'AM. >> JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE THE PAID PARKING IS BEING CONSIDERED OR THE AREA IN OUR DOWNTOWN, THIS IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE A AND B.
>> OKAY. SO YOU CAN TAKE OVER.
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD MORNING THIS IS TOM ZUPKA AND JOHN CORBETT IS ON THE LINE.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE IN TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES.
I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SLIDE THAT SAYS LEVEL OF SERVICE. AUDRA, WE COULD HEAR YOU WELL.
THE FIRST SLIDE HIGHLIGHTS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE IDENTIFIED IN OUR REPORT. THIS IS MORE OF A BACKGROUND OR REFRESHER FOR INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SHARED.
LOOKING AT THE PATIENCE LEVEL SO TO SPEAK OF WHAT A PEDESTRIAN OR DRIVER OR VISITOR TO DOWNTOWN WILL ENDURE IN ORDER TO WALK FROM A PARKING SPOT TO THEIR DESTINATION POINT.
LOOKING AT SIMPLY A LEVEL OF SERVICE 450 FEET AND B BEING 800 FEET. THE MAXIMUM RADIUS OF WHAT AN INDIVIDUAL WILL WALK BEFORE THEY START COMPLAINING SO TO SPEAK OR BE UNCOMFORTABLE AND YOU GET FURTHER AWAY.
LEVEL SERVICE B AND C, D AND SO ON.
WE HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THIS ON THE MAP FOCUSING AS DOWNTOWN THE CORE JUST TO GIVE A PERSPECTIVE AND A STARTING POINT OF WHAT WOULD BE REASONABLE FOR WHAT YOU CONSIDER PAID PARKING PROGRAM WHICH WOULD BE PRIORITIZING THE MOST IN DEMAND SPACES WHICH WOULD HAVE THE HIGHER LEVELS OF SERVICE.
IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THAT IS TITLED PAID PARKING.
THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HIGHLIGHTING WHAT WE RECOMMENDED AS A STARTING POINT FOR ON YOU ALL IF YOU BRING PAID PARKING INTO THE DOWNTOWN. THIS WOULD BE THE STARTING POINT. TAKING ADVANTAGES OF LEVEL A AND B AS BEING THE PRIMARY OR AT LEAST THE COVETED PARKING SPOTS BECAUSE IT'S NEAR TO MOST ACTIVITIES TO INCLUDE ON STREET AND OFF STREET SURFACE LOT. THE ONE THING WE DID LEAVE OUT AND THE EDGE OF THE GREEN CIRCLE, YOU CAN SEE THE CITY PARKING GARAGE. WE RECOMMENDED THAT AT LEAST INITIALLY REMAIN AT NO COST TO PARKERS SO THAT THERE WAS A COLLECTOR FOR FOLKS THAT CHOSE NOT TO PAY FOR PARKING ON STREET. THEY COULD PARK IN THAT PARKING GARAGE AND HAVE A REASONABLE WALK STILL.
IT'S A GOOD WILL GESTURE IF NOTHING ELSE AND PROVIDES CUSTOMERS OR VISITORS TO YOUR CITY A PLACE TO PARK.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO FEEL OBLIGATED TO PAY BUT THEY ARE STILL IN A REASONABLE WALK TO MOST THINGS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. FURTHER AS PART OF THE NEXT PART OF OUR WORK WITH THE CITY STAFF WAS TO TAKE THAT IF YOU LOOK TO THE NEXT SLIDE THAT SAYS PAID PARKING AND HAS TWO PICTURES ON IT BASICALLY. THE ONE THAT WE JUST PREVIOUSLY SHOWN WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICES CIRCLES AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO
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THE RIGHT OF THAT IS A LEGEND OF ESSENTIALLY THE WORK WE CAN DONE TO ALLOCATE WORK PAY STATIONS AND WHERE THE SIGNAGE MAY BE INSTITUTING THE PAID PARKING SYSTEM.SO THE ORANGE SQUARES INDICATE WHERE AT LEAST IN OUR INITIAL WALK THROUGH WHERE WE MIGHT RECOMMEND YOU PUT PAY STATIONS TO ALLOW VISITORS AND CUSTOMERS PAY TO PARK.
THIS WOULD BE PAIRED WITH A MOBILE APPLICATION THAT ALLOW FOLKS TO ENGAGE WITH THE MOBILE DEVICE WITH THE DOWNLOADED MOBILE APP THAT IS CONNECTED TO THE SYSTEM.
THAT ALLOWS THE CUSTOMER TO PAY WITHOUT EVER LEAVING THEIR CAR OR INTERACTING WITH A PAY STATION.
AS THEY'RE WALKING TO THE DESTINATION, THEY CAN ENGAGE WITH THE MOBILE APP. THE CITY WOULD STILL RECEIVE THE FUNDS AND WOULD ALL COMMUNICATE IN A WAY THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WOULD NOT PENALIZE OR UNDULY WRITE CITATIONS FOR FOLKS COMPLYING WITH THE RULES. THAT IS TO GIVE NOT ONLY A LEVEL OF MAGNITUDE HERE OF WHERE THE PAY SAN DIEGO STATES WOULD BE LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN, BUT THIS IS ALSO WOULD BE USED WHEN PROCUREMENT PROCESS COMES FOR ACTUALLY ACQUIRING THE TECHNOLOGY TO BE PLACED ON THE STREET.
THE NEXT SLIDE WE CALL IT THE KINGS LANDING EFFECT.
I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SEEN THIS. THIS BECOMES A SECONDARY OVER LAY INTO THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR DOWNTOWN THAT WE, THAT WE PREVIOUSLY SHOWED YOU HERE TODAY AND IN PRIOR REPORTS.
ALSO OVER LAYS ONCE THE KINGS LANDING DEVELOPMENT COMES ALIVE, YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO CREATE ITS OWN CENTRAL DESTINATION POINT AND CREATE ITS OWN LEVELS OF SERVICE.
WHILE THIS ISN'T SOMETHING TODAY THAT IS GOING TO OCCUR, WHEN THAT DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLETE, IT WILL BE SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED THAT IF YOU CHOOSE TO EXPAND THE PAID PARKING PROGRAM, THIS IS ANOTHER GOOD STARTING POINT TO EXPAND FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND YOU KNOW PRESUMABLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THESE CIRCLES INTERCONNECT. THOSE PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE LOCATED IN BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE WOULD PRESUMABLY BE THE MOST VALUABLE PARKING SPACES OF ALL AND THUS WHEN IT COMES TIME TO DETERMINE YOU KNOW THE PAY RATES OR THE FEE RATES THAT YOU WOULD PRESUMABLY HAVE THOSE AT A HIGHER COST THAN THOSE IN THE OUTSIDE CIRCLES. THIS WILL BE A TIME WHEN YOU ALL WILL WANT TO CONSIDER DO YOU EXPAND THE PARKING SERVICES SORRY, THE PAID PARKING FEES BEYOND THE INITIAL PROGRAM THAT WE HAD SHARED IN THE PREVIOUSLY SLIDE.
AND I THINK AUDRA OR PEGGY, WE PASS TO YOU OR DO WE NEED JIM TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDE SAYS.
>> BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THAT, TO OUR ORDINANCE, ARE THERE ANY
QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE
COMMISSION? >> CAN YOU HEAR ME?
TOM, CAN YOU HEAR? >> I CAN HEAR SOMEONE TALKING.
I CAN ONLY HEAR AUDRA CLEARLY. >> I ASSUME THERE'S A MICROPHONE
THERE. >> WHAT I WILL LIKE TO UNDERSTAND TO BE CLARIFIED BACK ON THE SLIDE WITH THE ORANGE SQUARES THAT TALK ABOUT THE PAID PARKING KIOSK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TOTAL QUANTITY AND WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT
>> SORRY, IF I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY, IT'S LOOKING THE QUANTITY AND THE TOTAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MIGHT
>> OKAY. FROM AFTER AN INFRASTRUCTURE STANDPOINT, IT'S THE PURCHASE OF THE PAY STATIONS.
I CAN GIVE YOU A SENSE OF HARDWARE COSTS BUT TRULY NOTHING I CAN QUOTE YOU WITH UNTIL THE VENDORS CAN RESPOND.
YOU'RE LOOKING ANYWHERE, WELL, I'M RECENTLY DOING ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE LOOK AT $6,000 PER PAY STATION AND THE SIGNAGE THAT WILL BE NEEDED TO PROVIDE INSTRUCTIONS AND DIRECTIONS TO UTILIZING THAT. FROM A ON THE STREET INSTALLATION, THESE UNITS ARE SOLAR POWERED.
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IN OTHER WORDS THE SOLAR PANELS WILL CHARGE UP ANOTHER BATTERY AND WILL OPERATE THE UNITS. THE WAY WE PROPOSED THEM IS NO PRINTERS, I'M SORRY, NO BILLS SO THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF POWER THAT IS REQUIRED. IT CAN BE CLOSER TO LESS POWER WHEN IT COMES TO JUST USING CREDIT CARD ONLY.AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE RECOMMENDED.
SO YOU KNOW, THEY'RE KIND OF LIKE ENCAPSULATED AND WORK ON THEIR OWN. THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY IS TO PROVIDE THE SIGNAGE AND BASICALLY A TWO BY TWO PIECE OF CONCRETE IN WHICH THE UNITS CAN BE BOLTED TO.
SO, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE VENDOR WOULD HAVE TO BE ONCE YOU SELECT THE VENDOR WOULD HAVE TO BE INVOLVED THAN CONSULTANTS THAT SIT BEHIND THE DESK. IT'S REALLY A TWO BY TWO PIECE OF CONCRETE. IF YOU HAVE GOOD SIDEWALKS WHERE THE LOCATIONS ARE WHERE WE PICKED THE LOCATIONS, YOU CAN BOLT THEM INTO THE SIDEWALKS GENERALLY SPEAKING AND THERE MAYBE A FEW IT'S REQUIRED TO POUR A CONCRETE PAD WITH AN ANCHOR. THAT'S THE INITIAL OUTLAY.
WHEN YOU COME TO SELECTING THE VENDOR, THERE WILL BE ON GOING SUBSCRIPTION COSTS. IN ORDER TO OPERATE THE UNITS, THEY ARE OPERATED THROUGH DATA AND CELLULAR DATA TECHNOLOGY.
THERE'S THE COST OF THE CELLULAR DATA WHICH THE VENDORS WILL PROVIDE AS WELL AS THE SOFTWARE FEES TO OPERATE THE BACK OFFICE AND THE ACTUAL UNITS THEMSELVES. SO THAT EVERYTHING IS YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATING IN THE CLOUD, PRESUMABLY OR WELL IF YOU CHOOSE, IT WILL COMMUNICATE WITH THE MOBILE APPLICATION SOLUTION YOU CHOOSE AS WELL AS ANY MODERN DAY ENFORCEMENT UNITS WHERE CITATIONS CAN BE WRITTEN THROUGH.
SO IT KIND OF WORKS IN AN ECOSYSTEM SO TO SPEAK SO IT'S ALL COMMUNICATING. THERE ARE MONTHLY COSTS TO THOSE AND WILL VARY BY THE VENDOR. I CAN GIVE YOU A GENERAL SENSE OF WHAT THAT IS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M COMFORTABLE QUOTING YOU ON BECAUSE EACH VENDOR HAS A
DIFFERENT TAKE ON THAT. >> THE TOTAL QUANTITY BASED ON THE SCREEN IS 43? IS THAT WHAT I SEE?
>> YES. WHAT YOU SEE NOW, I WANT TO SAY WE'RE AROUND 43 IN TOTAL. THIS IS JUST FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE DID INCLUDE SOME FOR BEACH PARKING. AS THAT WAS PART OF THE SCOPE WITH STAFF. BUT SO WE, YOU KNOW IF THAT IS INCLUDED, THERE'S A LARGER DEMAND FOR UNITS I WANT TO SAY AN ADDITIONAL, BEAR WITH ME HERE.
7, 10, 15. ABOUT 19 TO 20 MORE UNITS IF YOU
INCLUDE THE BEACH PARKING LOTS. >> OKAY.
>> ABOUT 65 IN TOTAL. >> WHAT IS THE STAFFING LOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY SIDE? ONCE WE GET, IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT SUCH A PROCEDURE BUY ALL THE HARDWARE, SOFTWARE, WHAT DOES IT TAKE FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS AND STAFF IN OTHER WORDS, COLLECTION, POWER IT IS. IT'S ELECTRONIC.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? DO YOU KNOW THAT PEGGY?
>> GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT VARIABLES REGARDING STAFFING.
THE FIRST THING STICKING WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE CAN OUTSOURCE THE MAINTENANCE OF THE UNITS TO CONTRACTOR WE PURCHASE THEM FROM OR ANOTHER MAINTENANCE ORGANIZATION.
WHERE WE COULD HAVE OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TAKE ON YET ANOTHER TASK. THAT'S AN OPTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER REGARDING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.
REGARDING THE ADMINISTRATION, I WOULD SAY WE WOULD NEED AN ADMIN PERSON SPECIFIC TO ADDRESS THE PARKING ISSUES AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO PART TIME PARKING ENFORCEMENT POSITIONS.
THEY MAY NEED TO BE UPGRADED TO FULL TIME.
BUT IT'S REALLY A WAIT AND SEE. IT'S, LIKE MANY OTHER THINGS WE DO, WE HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH FIRST.
WE CAN GUESSTIMATE AND THEN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.
>> SURE. SO, WHAT HAPPENS NUMBER ONE WITH THE MONEY WITH FUNDING COMING IN.
AND WHO HAS TO ADDRESS TO MAKE SURE IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR PROPERLY? THE SECOND IS UNPAID.
YOU GUYS -- FROM THE DRAFT AND THE UNPAID SIDE.
HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT SIDE? >> WE HAVE THAT IN THE NEWLY
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PROPOSED ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS THE UNPAID SIDE.PARDON ME. WE ARE LOOKING AT SOFTWARE OPTIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE TYLER MUNIS SYSTEM.
ALL PAY SHOULD INTEGRATE WITH THAT SYSTEM AND WITH AUTOMATION, IT WILL BE A LOT LESS ON STAFF THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE PRETTY MUCH DOING EVERYTHING MANUALLY.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL NOT PUT AN EXTRA BURDEN ON US.
IF ANYTHING, IT WILL LEVEL IT OUT.
REGARDING UNPAID PARKING, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR IMMOBILIZING VEHICLES FOR UNPAID PARKING TICKETS.
THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR DOING IT.
SOMETIMES THERE'S A BOOT ON THE WHEEL.
THERE'S A BARNACLE THAT GOES ON THE WINDSHIELD.
THERE'S OPTIONS FOR IMMOBILIZING VEHICLES FOR UNPAID PARKING
TICKETS. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN HEAR ME. I NEED TO KNOW IF THE SOFTWARE PACKAGE INCLUDES AN ELECTRONIC DELIVERY SYSTEM TO SAY YOU HAVE
FIVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS? >> YES.
WE HAVE ALREADY DONE THE DEMOS AND WE'RE RECEIVING THE QUOTE FOR THE SOFTWARE THAT HELPS US WITH THAT.
IT'S PART OF THE TYLER MUNIS SYSTEM.
>> WE HAVE OTHER VENDORS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IF WE WERE TO MOVE
FORWARD WITH THIS SYSTEM. >> RIGHT.
SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A PROGRAM THAT'S AUTOMATED.
THE READERS TELL US WHAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU GO TO GET A PARKING SPACE, YOU PUT IN YOUR LICENSE PLATE NUMBER AND YOUR PARKING SPOT NUMBER. THAT INFORMATION IS RELAYED TO STAFF THAT A 1 IS EMPTY. BUT WE SEE A CAR IN IT.
THEN IT GETS A TICKET. IT'S ALL AUTOMATED AND COMES TO STAFF. IT'S REALTIME.
I BELIEVE THEY SAID IT'S A 45 SECOND DELAY.
IT'S FAIRLY REALTIME SO WE'LL KNOW WHICH VEHICLES ARE GOOD AND YOU CAN DO IT THROUGH THE LICENSE PLATE READER TECHNOLOGY TOO. WHICH IS AN UPGRADE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE IN THE FUTURE NOT RIGHT AWAY, WHERE YOU CAN SCAN THE LICENSE PLATE AND IT WILL START FLASHING RED WHEN YOU COME TO ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PARKING METER SPACE.
>> THE LAST TIME I WAS IN ST. AUGUSTINE, I APPROACHED THE FOLKS THAT WERE DOING THAT. IT WAS VERY SIMPLE.
BUT, A LOT OF COST TO IT. >> CORRECT.
THE LICENSE PLATE READER SYSTEM IS LIKE THE GOLD STANDARD.
AND WE'RE HOPING TO REACH THAT AT SOME POINT.
THAT WON'T BE HOW WE START. BUT STILL THE CELLULAR PHONES THAT DATA, IT'S A LOT EASIER THAN THE MANUAL WHICH WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH SIX PICTURES ON EACH CAR.
IT WILL DEFINITELY IMPROVE OUR CAPABILITIES BY GOING TO AN UPGRADED SOFTWARE. WE HAVE DONE OUR DEMOS AND WE'RE GETTING THE QUOTES AND IT'S PART OF THE TYLER MUNIS SYSTEM.
>> THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT DOES THE SOFTWARE PACKAGE LOOK LIKE? A THOUSAND DOLLARS A MONTH? OR $20,000 A MONTH. I HAVE NO IDEA.
HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE US A QUOTE, AT THE SAME TIME,
JUST GIVE ME AN IDEA. >> THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO YOU HAVE THE HARDWARE AND RUNNING THAT WHICH IS A SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
SO THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICE TO THE PAY STATION IS DIFFERENT THAN THE ENFORCEMENT SOFTWARE. THE WORK TOGETHER BUT THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS THE ENFORCEMENT SOFTWARE. IT WAS VERY, VERY REASONABLE.
IT WAS NOTHING, MR. MENZO IS HAPPY.
>> I HAVE HARDWARE, SOFTWARE AND SOFTWARE THAT WILL POSSIBLY CONTACT. I NEED TO KNOW THAT ELEMENT.
IF YOU COULD ASK THAT. >> TOM, DID YOU HEAR THAT?
>> YEAH. SO, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE QUOTED ON IT. THE DATA PACKAGE.
SO BASICALLY IT'S A SIM CARD FOR THE DATA.
LIKE YOU WOULD HAVE FOR A HOT SPOT.
I THINK THEY CAN GET THOSE GENERALLY SPEAKING FOR ABOUT 20, 25 BUCKS A MONTH PER PAY STATION AND ADDITIONAL, I WANT TO SAY 50 BUCKS A MONTH PER PAY STATION FOR THE SOFTWARE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. THE COMPANY WILL CHARGE YOU.
ALL TOLD I WOULD SAY YOU KNOW JUST FROM PUTTING IT UP IN THE WIND, IT WAS ABOUT 70 TO $80 A MONTH PER PAY STATION IS YOUR ON GOING COST. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS YOU WOULD HIRE THAT COMPANY TO HAVE AS WELL. THOSE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL AFTER
INITIAL WARRANTY >> MADAM MAYOR.
>> YES, SIR. >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
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ONE OF THE POINTS THAT COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON BROUGHT UP WAS THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF STATIONS, AND I KNOW WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THE SLIDES TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED AND THAT'S MY CONCERN. IF I HEARD CORRECT.43 FOR DOWNTOWN AREA. DO WE HAVE THAT PROPOSED IN A
MAP SOMEWHERE? >> IT'S JUST, THESE ARE JUST
THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. >> THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BECAUSE HERE YOU SHOWED A MAP A MINUTE
AGO THAT SHOWED -- >> THAT WAS THE BEACH.
>> I WAS LOOKING TO SEE -- >> THAT'S WHAT CAUGHT MY EYE.
I WOULD LIKE TO MORE OR LESS UNDERSTAND IN A GRAPH WHERE WE ARE FOR DOWNTOWN AND THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS.
>> OKAY. AND THEN ALL OF THIS.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THESE LITTLE DOTS I'M SEEING RIGHT HERE. THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME.
>> YES. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS ON THIS PAGE HERE. THE MULTISPACE METER THAT'S WHERE THE METER WILL BE PLACED FOR THE PARKING SPACES THAT IT WILL COVER. RIGHT, TOM?
>> YES. SO ESSENTIALLY ONE FOR EVERY BLOCK FACE. YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT RELATIVELY CONVENIENT THAT YOU'RE NOT, SOMEONE IS NOT WALKING MORE THAN SIX TO EIGHT SPACES TO GET TO A PAY STATION IN ORDER TO PAY. SO THE ORANGE SQUARES ARE WHERE THE METERS WOULD BE LOCATED. THE PURPLE CIRCLES ARE SIGNS
THAT PROVIDE DIRECTION. >> OKAY.
GOT IT. SO THE ORANGE SPOTS WILL BE ACTUALLY WHERE THE METERS, THE PAY METERS ARE.
OR THE PAY STATIONS. >> YES AND THEY ARE NUMBERED.
>> AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON -- >> THAT MAY CHANGE WITH THE VENDOR WHEN YOU CHOOSE A VENDOR. YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THEM TOO CLOSE TOGETHER CLEARLY AND TOO FAR APART.
YOU WILL HAVE A MOBILE APP TO GO WITH THIS.
SO IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT MAY NOT BE AS CONVENIENT TO A METER, A MULTISPACE METER, THE MOBILE APP IS AN OPTION TO PAY IF SOMEONE CHOOSES NOT TO WALK TOO FAR.
>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
ON THE SIGNAGE, THERE WILL BE INFORMATION ON THE APP WE GO WITH. I DON'T HAVE TO GO TO A PAY
STATION. >> AS I SAID BEFORE, I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. I LIVED THIS LIFESTYLE IN CHICAGO. I HAVE CONCERNED BECAUSE OF OUR POPULATION HERE. RIGHT WE HAVE A MATURE AUDIENCE IN THE DOWNTOWN AND FORT PIERCE AREAS AND THE ACTUAL MANEUVERING OF THESE PROCESSES SOME ARE NOT COMFORTABLE USING APPS.
TO GET TO THE PAY STATIONS YET STILL MAY PRESENT ANOTHER CHALLENGE BUT IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BETTER THAN AN APP.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHERE THEY WOULD BE LOCATED AND I SEE 40 HERE AND YOU ARE SAYING 43.
SO, I'M JUST YOU KNOW TRYING TO LOOK AT THIS, OKAY, THERE WE GO.
THANK YOU. I'M JUST TRYING TO BE
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES, SIR.
>> SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE VENDOR.
IS THERE A MODEL ONLY FOR PURCHASE OR A MODEL FOR THESE?
>> TOM. I HEARD IS THERE A MODEL FOR
PURCHASE. >> OR IS THERE A MODEL FOR
LEASING? >> SO, IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE
VENDOR. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
>> SOME VENDORS WILL PROVIDE A LEASE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU.
SOME WILL REFER YOU TO A BANK THAT WILL PROVIDE THE LEASE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THEM. YOU KNOW AND VENDORS REALLY JUST DON'T WANT TO DO LEASING. THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY THEM OUT RIGHT, THIS IS WHERE THAT THIRD PARTY OPERATOR MAY COME INTO PLAY.
THEY MAY PURCHASE ON YOUR BEHALF TO OPERATE.
THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS IF YOU WANT TO EXPLORE THEM.
>> AND SO, IN A TYPICAL INSTALLATION OF THESE METERS, DOES THE OPERATION OF THE PAID PARKING PAY FOR ITSELF?
>> >> IN A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY. AND SO THAT'S WHY YOU KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESSES EXACTLY AS YOU SHOULD. MAKING SURE THE ORDINANCES ARE
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SET AT THE RATES THAT YOU HAVE THE WAY TO ACHIEVE THE RATES AND GET THE RATE YES, IT SHOULD ABSOLUTELY PAY FOR ITSELF FROM THE OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT IN ADDITION CREATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS TO BE REALLOCATED TO WHETHER STREETSCAPING, GENERAL FUND ET CETERA.YEAH. THIS SHOULDN'T BE RUNNING IN
ANYTHING OTHER THAN A PROFFER. >> SO, IS THE IDEA, MAYBE NOT YOUR IDEA, BUT THE OTHER WAY CITIES USE IT, IF THEY DO MAKE MORE THAN THE SUPPORTING THE PROGRAM, YOU USE IT FOR SOMETHING LIKE A FUTURE GARAGE OR SOME KIND OF
>> THAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION.
>> BECAUSE I WOULD HATE NOT THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY READY TO DO THIS, BUT I WOULD HATE TO DO THIS WITH A THOUGHT THAT PEOPLE THINK ARE WE GOING TO MAKE MONEY ON THIS.
WE DON'T WANT TO MAKE MONEY ON OUR CITIZENS.
WE WANT TO SERVE THEM AND MAKE THIS, THIS IS -- WE WANT TO MAKE THIS NOT PROFITABLE BUT NOT A LOSING PROPOSITION EITHER.
AND BECAUSE THE MAIN REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS TO HELP OUR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES AND TO KEEP OUR DOWNTOWN THRIVING.
AND WE HAVE ALREADY, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE ALREADY GETTING SOME REAL UNHAPPINESS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE GETTING TICKETED.
AND THEY ARE PARKING ILLEGALLY AND SAY I HAVE ALWAYS PARKED HERE. FOR 40 YEARS I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE. PEOPLE ARE AT THE SAME TIME, MANY PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT PARKING AND NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND A PARKING PLACE. MANY PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THE IF THEY PARK ILLEGALLY, THEY GET A TICKET.
EVEN THOUGH THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN PARKING ILLEGALLY AND WE'RE NOT ENFORCING IT UNTIL NOW. I DON'T ENVY OUR JOB, INITIATE THE TALK OF PAID PARKING BECAUSE IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE POPULAR EXCEPT WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE. WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT.
>> MADAM MAYOR, WITH THAT, WE CAN'T STICK OUR HEAD IN THE SAND WITH THIS. THIS IS A CHALLENGE WE WILL HAVE GOING FORWARD. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.
AS WE GRADUALLY BEGIN TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS, WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS.
I DEFINITELY WANT TO. THEY ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR DOWNTOWN IS GROWING. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON EVEN MORE. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE WELCOME BECAUSE IT ALSO BRINGS REVENUE TO THOSE BUSINESSES THAT WANT AND NEED THAT REVENUE THAT INVEST IN OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S, I'M GLAD TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION. I WELCOME THE CONVERSATION.
AND AS LONG AS WE ARE GETTING THAT PRICE POINT CORRECT AS YOU MENTION AND WE'RE NOT PROFITING BUT WE'RE REINVESTING THAT INTO MORE ENHANCED OPPORTUNITIES OF CREATING MORE PARKING DOWNTOWN, I THINK IT WOULD MEET WITH THAT. I THINK WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THIS TYPE OF COMMUNICATION GOING BACK AND FORTH, THAT'S WHEN THE ISSUES WOULD SURFACE. I THINK WE NEED TO STRIVE MORE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS TO LET THEM KNOW AND HAVE THIS DIALOGUE. BUT BACK TO THE POINT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, THAT THE LEASING OPTION, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ASKED THIS AS WELL, WE REALLY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET A FIRM HOLD OF COST UNTIL WE PUT THIS OUT FOR BID AND START GETTING RFPS BACK. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I KIND OF REALIZED RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE MADE AN INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY TO HAVE WHAT I JUST CALL UPGRADED TECHNOLOGY CAPABILITIES FOR REPORTING. AND I THINK ANY RFP PROCESS GOING FORWARD WHOEVER SENDS US INFORMATION SHOULD BE ABLE TO TIE INTO WHAT WE ALREADY INVESTED IN.
IF THEY CAN'T COMMUNICATE TO THE SYSTEM WE INVESTED IN, THAT'S A DEAL KILLER. WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY AND INFRASTRUCTURE GETTING THIS NEW SYSTEM.
IF THEY ARE NOT THERE OR WOULD REQUIRE US TO PURCHASE AN UPGRADE TO DO THAT, TO ME, THAT'S A DEAL KILLER.
HOPEFULLY WE SCRIPT THE RFP PROCESS SO WE GET THE VENDORS THAT CAN COMMUNICATE TO US HOW WE NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED TO BECAUSE WE ALREADY MADE OUR INVESTMENT.
>> JUST TO CONTINUE TO ADD ON, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER, I'M SURE I'M READY TO MOVE DOWN THAT BECAUSE NO MATTER HOW WE LOOK AT IT, LET'S SAY WE GO WITH THE PURCHASE OPTION.
WE LOOK AT DOWNTOWN, 43ISH, THAT'S ALMOST $300,000 IN TOTAL
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CAPITAL JUST FOR HARDWARE. >> RIGHT
>> 425 THOUSAND DOLLARSISH, IF WE ADDED THE LEAD TIME.
WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THE LEAD TIME.
THOSE ARE BIG NUMBERS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $70 AND $80 A MONTH FOR SUBSCRIPTION TYPE SERVICES AND HAVEN'T INCLUDED THE CITY SIDE OF TYING INTO OUR FINANCIAL SOFTWARE AND STAFFING.
SO WHILE I UNDERSTAND IN A HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND THERE MIGHT BE A BREAK EVEN POINT, I QUOTE HEALTHY ENVIRONMENT AND BREAKING POINT BOTH OF THOSE, EVEN IN THERE'S ADDITIONAL FUNDING, YEAH WE CAN PUT TOWARD INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE A WELL-LAID PLAN HOW TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROVIDE MORE PARKING AND PAY FOR IT IN OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR US? DOES THAT MEAN CHANGING OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT? DOES IT MEAN ELEMENTS OF OUR CRA AND CONTINUING TO INVEST IN THIS LITTLE AREA ON THE MAP RIGHT NOW WHICH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.
I HAVE ASKED MR. MIMMS TO BRING THIS COMMISSION AND ANOTHER WORKSHOP OR ONE OF OUR CONFERENCE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT.
I DON'T WANT TO SEPARATE AND GET ON A TANGENT TODAY.
I HAVE ASKED HIM TO BRING IT FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE OF PARKING IN DOWNTOWN AND OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.
I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE A SURPRISE.
I HAVE ASKED THAT QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE WHERE HE IS ON IT.
BUT IT'S A REAL THOUGHT IN MY MIND
>> FOR ME LOOKING AT THIS, THAT'S SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. >> WHETHER LEASING OR
PURCHASING. >> EVEN TO THE CONSULTANT MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HE MENTIONED, THEY MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS PROJECT IN ANOTHER CITY.
OR COUNTY. COULD WE JUST USE THEIR MODEL AND WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN TO GET A BALLPARK.
THEY ARE DOING THIS IN ANOTHER CITY SOMEWHERE.
YOU MENTIONED ST. AUGUSTINE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF HE SAID ST.
AUGUSTINE. JUST FOR KICKS AND GIGGLES, CAN WE TAKE THAT SYSTEM AND SAY PLUG IT IN HERE, WHAT WOULD THAT BE.
JUST TO GET A LOOK REALISTICALLY.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM IN ASKING THAT.
YES. SO WHAT EXACTLY IS THE QUESTION? I WAS HAVING TROUBLE HEARING. HE SEEMS TO BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
>> THEY WOULD LIKE, WELL COMMISSIONER JOHNSON WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SINCE YOU ARE ALL CURRENTLY WORKING WITH ANOTHER JURISDICTION ON A PAID PARKING PROGRAM, IS THERE THE ABILITY OF TAKING WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND PLUGGING IT INTO OUR CITY TO KIND OF GET AN IDEA OF THE COSTS INVOLVED WITH IMPLEMENTATION OF
PAID PARKING? >> SO, FROM THE COST PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THE NUMBERS I DID HEAR -- LIKE I SAID.
I MENTIONED THE COST PER PAY STATION AND THE ON GOING COST.
THE REAL, YOU KNOW I THINK THE $300,000 TO $400,000 ARRANGE IS CORRECT IN THE INITIAL INSTALLATION OF THIS.
THE ON GOING COSTS YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO THAT MATH OR IN THE SAME WAY AND I MAYBE A LITTLE HIGH. I WOULD RATHER BE A LITTLE HIGH THAN LOW WHEN I QUOTE TO YOU COST FOR PAY STATIONS SUBSCRIPTIONS YEAH YOU'RE LOOKING $30,000 TO $40,000 A YEAR JUST TO MAINTAIN THE OPERATOR, I'M SORRY THE OPERATION OF THESE UNITS. SO IN ORDER TO MAKE IT BREAK EVEN OR HAVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS OR WHATEVER TERMS YOU WANT TO USE, YOU HAVE TO COLLECT THE FEE OR THE FEES HAVE TO BE SUCH THAT THAT WILL MAKE THAT. THAT WILL BE THE DETERMINED BASED ON THE ACTIVITIES LEVEL OF THE DOWNTOWN.
WE COULD FROM THE INSTALLATION PART, YES THOSE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY CLOSE. I DON'T THINK YOU WILL FIND TOO MUCH DEVIATION FROM THAT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO THE RFP.
THE REAL QUESTION, WILL YOU GENERATE ENOUGH INCOME TO OFFSET THOSE ON GOING COSTS? I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF EVERYTHING GOES AS EXPECTED IN THE DOWNTOWN OR GETTING MORE VIBRANT NOW WE'RE GETTING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC EFFECTS THAT A
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HEALTHY RATE WOULD BE ABLE TO RETURN YOUR INVESTMENT IN A FEW YEARS AS FAR AS THE INITIAL CAPITAL OUTLAY.CERTAINLY THE REVENUS GENERATED SHOULD COVER YOUR OPERATING COSTS WHICH WOULD BE THE SUBSCRIPTION SERVICES.
THOSE WOULD BE YOUR OPERATING COSTS.
THE CAPITAL OUTLAY IS REALLY WHERE YOU MAY HAVE TO, MAY TAKE A COUPLE YEARS TO GET THAT RETURN.
DEPENDING ON HOW SUCCESSFUL THE PROGRAM IS.
THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM MEANS, IF YOU START CHARGING, WILL EVERYBODY RUN TO THE CITY GARAGE WHERE IT'S FREE AND PARK THERE AND WALK? HUMAN BEHAVIOR AND WHAT WE EXPERIENCE SAYS THAT WON'T HAPPEN.
EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE CLOSE WILL PAY THE $1.50 AN HOUR.
IF YOU LOWER TOO MUCH, YOU MAY RISK COVERING OUTLAY OR HAVE A MUCH LONGER RETURN TO THE INVESTMENT SO TO SPEAK.
IF YOU CAN KEEP THE RATES YOU KNOW AT MORE OF A CLOSER LOOK TO WHAT SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBOR MIGHT BE CHARGES WHETHER $1.50 TO $2 AN HOUR, YOU MIGHT BE FINE TO HAVE THAT RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT IN A FEW YEARS IF NOT SOONER.
I REALIZE THAT IS NOT A DEFINITE ANSWER TO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.
EVERY CITY IS A LITTLE UNIQUE AS MUCH AS WE LIKE TO SAY BEHAVIORS ARE THE SAME, YOUR DOWNTOWN IS UNIQUE TO YOU.
IT MAY NOT HAPPEN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I MY RESPONSE.
>> THANK YOU. >> MADAM MAYORS AND MEMBERS OF CITY COMMISSION. YOU HAVE ASKED VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION WITH REGARD TO THE INITIAL COST.
AT THIS TIME, AND FROM AN ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION PERSPECTIVE, WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THIS COST IS.
WE CAN THROW OUT NUMBERS ALL DAY.
BUT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO OUT INTO THE DOWNTOWN, DO BASICALLY A TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY. WE HAVE TREES.
SIDEWALK CAFES. WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT CONDITIONS IN OUR DOWNTOWN. THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS WILL RANGE BASED UPON WHAT WE WANT AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE PHYSICALLY EFFECTIVE. AS FAR AS THE FUNDING, THE MONEYS WILL BE PLACED IN A RESTRICTIVE REVENUE ACCOUNT AND I AGREE WITH THE CONSULTANT, ANY TYPE OF INITIAL OUTLAY WOULD HAVE TO BE ADVANCED BY THE CITY WHETHER WE FINANCE THAT OR TAKE ANOTHER FUND TO DO SO AND THEN THE REVENUES FROM THE PROGRAM CAN BE USED TO PAY BACK THE INITIAL ADVANCE AND AMORTIZE THAT. THE STAFF CANNOT GIVE YOU ANY SPECIFICITY WITH REGARDS TO THE PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS.
>> THANK YOU. IN ADDITION TO THE COST WHICH NOBODY CAN GIVE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE KNOW LET'S SAY IT'S NOT A LITTLE. IT'S A LOT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS, WHAT IS THE CITY OR CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS AND HOW DID THEY MAKE THE TRANSITION FROM FREE PARKING TO PAID PARKING? HOW DID THEY EDUCATE? HOW DID THEY GET SUPPORT? BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU ENCOUNTERED THAT AT ST. AUGUSTINE AND THAT IS A BIG TOURIST CITY. I'M SURE THEY HAD IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. I DON'T KNOW THAT.
HAVE STAFF LOOKED INTO ANY OTHER CITIES AS THEY HAVE GONE FROM
FREE PARKING TO PAID PARKING. >> NO, MA'AM, I KNOW COMMUNICATION IS KEY AND DEVELOPING THE RIGHT TYPE OF MESSAGES TO OUR DIFFERENT SETS OF POPULATION IS VERY IMPORTANT AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE WAY AHEAD OF TIME PRIOR TO ANY IMPLEMENTATION SO THAT OUR RESIDENTS VISITORS AND WHOEVER COMES TO OUR CITY ARE WELL AWARE OF WHAT IS HERE AND WHAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED. UTILIZING OUR BUSINESSES AND MOST DEFINITELY TO HELP US IN THAT.
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE A DIRECTED CAMPAIGN AT MAKING SURE THAT WE MAKE OUR COMMUNITY AWARE OF THIS PROCESS IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION
YOU SO CHOOSE. >> CAN YOU ASK THE CONSULTANTS TO SHARE A CITY THIS.
>> TOM. >> THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE THAT I LIKE IS CITY OF SARASOTA. THEY WENT FROM A NON-PAID ENVIRONMENT TO A PAID ENVIRONMENT.
SOME OF THE OTHER RECENT ONES WE WORKED WITH ARE PAID ENVIRONMENT TO UPGRADED PAID ENVIRONMENT. SOME THINGS ARE SIMILAR BUT
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THEIR CONSTITUENTS ALREADY USE PAID PARKING.THE CITIZENS OF SARASOTA WENT FROM FREE PARKING TO PAID PARKING. IT'S EXACTLY HOW AUDRA GAVE HER ANSWER. IT'S PREDOMINANTLY GOT TO BE ABOUT THE COMMUNICATION. LETTING THE CONSTITUENTS KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. THE TECHNOLOGY YOU CHOOSE AS FAR AS THE METERS GO, YOU WANT TO MAKE IT AS USER FRIENDLY AS POSSIBLE. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT SELECTION PROCESS. I KNOW SARASOTA GOT INVOLVED.
THEY TOOK DIFFERENT UNITS AS PART OF THE PROCESS AND BROUGHT THEM OUT TO THE AREA AND HAD CONSTITUENTS COME AND INTERACT AND DID A STRAW MAN POLL SO TO SPEAK WHAT THEY DID LIKE AND DIDN'T LIKE TO BE PART OF THE SELECTION PROCESS.
THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THEY HAD DONE TO GARNER ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY. BUT YOU KNOW THAT INTERACTION, BASICALLY IF YOU, THE EASIER YOU MAKE IT FOR THE PUBLIC, THEY WILL GET OVER THE FACT THEY HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE QUICKER IF IT'S NOT A PAINFUL PROCESS. SO THE APPS, PAY STATION THAT'S EASY TO USE. CLEAR AND ABUNDANT SIGNAGE THAT GIVES PROPER INSTRUCTIONS SO NO ONE FEELS THEY WEREN'T TOLD THEY HAVE TO PAY FALLS UNDER COMMUNICATION AS AUDRA OUTLINED IT AND THAT'S PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS AS MUCH AS ANYTHING THAT HAS TO OCCUR WELL BEFORE THE UNITS GET PUT IN
THE GROUND. >> THIS IS JIM CORBETT WITH WALKER CONSULTANTS. I WOULD ALSO ADD TO THE MESSAGE OF YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE TRANSPARENCY RELATED TO THE FUND BALANCE AND THE REVENUES TO BE COLLECTED.
YOU WANT THE SYSTEM TO FUND ITSELF ON A CAPITAL COST BASIS.
NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A FUND BALANCE THAT BEGINS TO ORGANICALLY GROW OVER TIME. WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH THE CITY OF STEWART, THEY HAD CHALLENGES WITH THEIR TROLLEY SYSTEM. THEIR MICROTRANSIT SYSTEM THERE.
IT WAS BEING FUNDED BY GRANTS MONEY AND THE GRANTS WERE GOING
TO BE EXPIRING >> THE TYPE OF PROJECT OR INITIATIVE YOU COULD CREATE IS THE PROCEEDS FROM THE PARKING CITY COULD BE USED TO FUND OTHER PARKING AND MOBILITY RELATED INITIATIVES WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
IF THAT MEANS THE ADVANCEMENT OF A VERY ELABORATE MICROTRANSIT SYSTEM TO GET BETWEEN THE DISTRICTS AND TO POTENTIALLY GET FROM THE DOWNTOWN AREA TO THE BEACH WHICH MAYBE A STRETCH IF WE THINK ABOUT THAT TODAY. BUT, THERE ARE CERTAINLY PROGRAMS THAT CAN BENEFIT, THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF FT.
PIERCE. WHEN PEOPLE CAN BEGIN TO SEE THAT PLAYED OUT IN A STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN, IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO DIGEST AS OPPOSED TO THINKING IT'S JUST A MONEY GRAB AND THE CITY WILL USE THIS FOR SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES DOWNTOWN.
THE MORE YOU CAN SPELL THAT OUT AND AGAIN, BE TRANSPARENT WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE VISITORS. THIS IS THE STRATEGIC MASTER PLAN APPROACH, YOU ARE GOING TO GET CONSENT AND RAPID CONSENT FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE. PEOPLE DON'T MIND PAYING FOR THINGS WHEN THEY CAN SEE THE END GOAL OF WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING
TO DO WITH ITS DOWNTOWN VISION. >> SO, THAT REMINDS ME OF OUR CONSULTANTS. AREN'T THEY STUDYING MOBILITY AND HOW DOES THIS PLAY INTO THAT?
WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THAT FRONT? >> YES, MA'AM, THE MOBILITY CONSULTANT IS GENERATING A MOBILITY PLAN THAT WILL EFFECTIVELY USE OUR IMPACT FEES MORE SPECIFICALLY OUR TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES AND THAT WAY WE CAN BUILD THE CAPACITY OR CREATE OTHER FORMS OF MULTIMODAL ACCESS THROUGHOUT OUR URBAN CORE. NOW, WITH REGARD TO THIS PAID PARKING REVENUE, YES, I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS CAN ALSO BE USED TO FUND MOBILITY OPTIONS BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY WE THINK. WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO BE EXPANDING ROADS WITHIN THE URBAN CORE.
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WE WILL PRODUCE MORE MOBILITY OPTIONS TO MOVE PEOPLE DOWNTOWNAND ON THE BEACH. >> I WOULD THINK OUR MOBILITY CONSULTANTS SHOULD HAVE A LOOK AT THIS.
THIS SHOULD BE PART OF, THEY SHOULD KNOW THIS IS IN THE
>> AND WE COULD GET SOME INPUT FROM THEM PERHAPS.
IN TERMS OF THE WAY THEY LOOK AT THINGS.
>> YES, MA'AM. AND ALSO WHAT ABOUT THE SUN TRAIL? ISN'T IT SUPPOSED TO GO
I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NAME OF THAT, THE TRAIL.
YEAH. IT IS AND WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF DESIGNING THAT. WHETHER IT GOES DOWN SECOND STREET OR ANY OTHER DRIVE. WE ARE INVISIONING THAT.
IF IT GOES DOWN SECOND STREET, THE ON STREET PARKING WILL BE REMOVED. THAT ASPECT WILL DISAPPEAR.
AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH WAYS TO FULFILL OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THAT AT THE NEXT CONFERENCE AGENDA MEETING THAT'S ALREADY ON THE AGENDA AS PER THE REQUEST OF
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. YOU'RE PUSHING FOR SECOND STREET. AND SO THAT WILL EVEN FURTHER
>> IT'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT SOME OTHER TIME. IT'S A BIG DISCUSSION.
>> YEAH. >> SO HERE'S, IF I COULD SUM UP WHERE I AM ON THIS SPECIFICALLY. NUMBER ONE, I ASK MYSELF WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS MISSION OBJECTIVE? WHAT AM I TRYING TO DO? ARE WE TYING TO, IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THIS, IS IT BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET FOLKS TO UTILIZE MORE OF THE FREE PARKING SPACES? THAT'S MY QUESTION. ARE WE TRYING TO PUSH, NUMBER ONE, I DO KNOW BUSINESSES WANT MORE TURNOVER.
SO WE HAVE OUR TWO HOUR ORDINANCES IN PLACE AND SOME ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY GOING ON. BUT, I DO KNOW OUR BUSINESSES WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND NEED MORE TURNOVER IN THOSE PARKING SPACES, WHETHER TWO OR THREE HOURS OR PAID PARKING.
PAID PARKING, I WOULD ASSUME WITH AN EDUCATED GUESS CREATES TURNOVER. MAKE SENSES TO ME.
THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO PAY.
WHAT IS OUR MISSION OBJECTIVE? THE UNKNOWN FACTS HAVE BEEN WRITTEN DOWN MANY TIMES. WE HAVE A PARKING DEFICIT FOR PARKING SPACES VERSUS CARS DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE THAT. SO, THAT IMMEDIATELY SAYS TO ME, BASED ON AN URBAN CORE WHAT DO WE DO NEXT WITH PARKING? HOW DO WE CREATE MORE PARKING AND THAT IS GOING VERTICAL ON SOME CITY-OWNED PARCEL SO WE'RE NOT OUTLAYING CITY CAPITAL? HOW DO WE PAY FOR THAT? MY FINAL PIECE IS THINKING ABOUT THE OUT LIAR QUESTIONS I JUST MENTIONED IS IF THERE'S A DEBT SERVICE AND IN THIS CITY WERE TO MOVE FORWARD.
I SAY THIS CITY BECAUSE THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A COMMISSION DECISION, IT WILL BE CITY DECISION.
WHAT IS THE DEBT SERVICE? WE KNOW DOLLARS GOING TO BE A DEBIT SERVICE. IF YOU ONLY HAVE 25 OR 30, THEY'RE GOING TO COST $5,000 EACHISH.
THAT'S OVER $150,000 RIGHT THERE.
IT'S GOING TO BE A SIX-FIGURE NUMBER.
WHAT IS THE RATE OF PAYING THAT OFF AND HOW MANY YEARS DOES THAT TAKE? AND THEN, WHEN I THINK OF HOW MANY YEARS IT TAKES TO PAY THAT OFF.
I FEEL LIKE I'M BEHIND THAT CURVE.
WE'RE PAYING OFF INFRASTRUCTURE WITH WITH REVENUE SOURCE AND I STILL HAVE A PARKING DEFICIT AND TRYING TO FIX THIS.
WE HAVE TO GO TO PARKING GARAGE AND THIS CIRCULAR REFRAME FROM MY PHRASE I WANT TO USE. OF THINKING AND LOGIC.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S GOING TO TAKE COMMITMENT BY US TO YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WANT TO GO VERTICAL AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. AND DOES THIS PART MAKE SENSE AND WHAT IS THE RATE OF RETURN HERE? OUR CONSULTANT SAID WE HAVE TO TAKE OFFER THE CAPITAL AND TAKE THE MONEY AND START DOING OTHER THINGS.
WELL HOW MANY YEARS DID I SET MYSELF BACK?
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>> AND WHEN YOU COULD HAVE TAKEN THAT MONEY --
I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT FIRST. WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT REVENUE.
SO. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS ANOTHER WAY OF CREATING AND ELIMINATING THE PARKING DEFICIT OR TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE PARKING DEFICIT? THAT'S WHERE I AM.
>> IF YOU START WITH THAT PREMISE IN MIND FIRST.
WHAT YOU HAVE JUST LAID OUT IS THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG FACTOR BASICALLY. SO I THINK YOU TRY TO FIND THE MOST CRITICAL POINT OF WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO START WITH.
WE HAVE A DEFICIT AND IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET MORE CHALLENGING AS THINGS GROW AND GO VERTICAL IN DOWNTOWN.
IF THAT'S THE MOST CRITICAL, THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A TOUGH DECISION AND WEIGH THE OPTIONS. THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW IS GET COSTS FACTORS IN HERE. WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST AND WE ARE ALL BUSINESS MINDED. WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, DOES IT MAKE SENSE? DO WE FOCUS ON THIS PROJECT OR ADDRESSING THE DEFICIT OF PARKING.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT IS BECOMING MORE CLEAR TO ME AT THIS POINT. THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE YOU KNOW, WHAT POPPED TO MIND IN THE LAST COMMENT THAT THE CONSULTANT SAID, I INVISION THIS HAVING ALMOST LIKE A HALF CENT SURTAX.
TAKE THE HALF CENT AND MAKE SURE IT'S ALLOCATED TO PROJECTS AND WE HAVE CITIZEN INPUT ON THAT. WE GET THAT COMMUNICATION OUT.
THIS ALMOST IS GOING DOWN THAT PATH FOR ME WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING BECAUSE IF THERE'S A SOURCE OF REVENUE COMING IN, I WOULD REALLY WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT AND HELP US COMMUNICATE THAT THE REVENUES FROM THIS DID THIS OR DID THAT.
AND WE HAD SOME TYPE OF CITIZENRY INPUT AT THAT POINT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A BALANCE THROUGHOUT OUR CITY OF FT.
PIERCE THOSE THINGS ARE BEING ADDRESSED AND DONE.
SO, IT'S A WELCOME CHALLENGE AND FOR ME, I'M BECOMING MORE CLEAR THAT OUR DECISION CAN GET EASIER TO MAKE IF WE HAD SOME NUMBERS IN DATA. BECAUSE WE ALL OPERATE ON THAT AND WE ARE SHOOTING IN THE RIGHT NOW.
>> WE ARE. >> I STILL GO BACK TO THE FIRST QUESTION. WHAT IS THE ULTIMATE MISSION? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE? IT JUST PUSHES THE POPULATION ELSEWHERE. AND IF THAT'S THE MISSION OBJECTIVE AND THAT'S A POSITIVE MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I'M STILL ASKING THE QUESTION,
WHAT AM I TRYING TO SOLVE TODAY? >> WELL I THINK YOU ALSO SAID, YOU ANSWERED THAT EARLIER. DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES WANT THAT TURNOVER. I THINK THAT WAS INITIALLY IT.
BUSINESSES ARE LOOKING FOR THAT TURNOVER.
THE MORE PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR RESTAURANTS AND THE MORE PROFIT THEY CAN MAKE. IT SOMEONE TAKES THAT PARKING SPACE ALL DAY LONG, WE PROBABLY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR GO BACK
HOME. >> WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT
WE TRY. >> WE HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE WE TALKED ABOUT. STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON, TO HELP SOLVE THAT WITHOUT SYSTEM
I'M PROUD OF THAT. >>HEMA: I'M HAPPY WITH THAT.
>> MAYBE I MISSED IT APOLOGIZE. HAVE WE HAD AN UPDATE HOW THAT IS GOING? HAVE WE HEARD FROM THAT PROCESS?
>> I HEAR FROM THAT PROCESS EVERY DAY.
>> THAT'S YOUR JOB. I'M JUST SAYING FROM A POLICY MAKER. MR. MIMMS HAVE WE HEARD FROM THE PARKING SINCE WE HAD THIS UPDATED PROCESS OF TICKETING DOWNTOWN TO OUR LIMITS. EVERYONE IS LOOKING AT MY LIKE
THIS IS FOREIGN LANGUAGE. >> YES WE HEAR EVERY DAY.
>> I'M SAYING THE COMMISSION, WE HAVE NOT HAD A REPORT OF ACTIONS OR WHAT HAS BEEN TICKETED OR COLLECTED.
HOW ARE THOSE EFFORTS? >> WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION AT THE CONFERENCE AGENDA AND GET YOU THE NUMBER OF TICKETS.
>> THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
>> MESSAGE OF OUR CITY COMMISSIONERS RECEIVE COMPLAINTS ON A DAILY BASIS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND I BELIEVE IT'S A MATTER OF HABIT. I BELIEVE WILL MAYOR MENTIONED THAT EARLIER TODAY. PEOPLE DOING WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 27 YEARS AND NOW WE ARE PUTTING FORTH MORE OF AN EFFORT FOR OUR EXISTING PARKING ORDINANCES AND OUR EXISTING NO PARKING AND RESTRICTED AREAS.
WE WILL GET THAT AREA AND HELP US WITH THAT
JAI THINK ANOTHER -- ANOTHER ASPECT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP
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IS WE ARE MISSING TWO COMMISSIONERS IN AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. WE DON'T HAVE THEIR INPUTS OR THOUGHTS. AND AT LEAST ONE I THINK IS ON THE PARKING TEAM. COMMISSIONER PERONA IS ON THE PARKING TEAM. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT HANDICAPPED. THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU HAD TO LEAVE EARLY AND WE WERE MISSING A COMMISSIONER.NOW WE'RE MISSING TWO COMMISSIONERS.
TO EMBARK ON THIS WOULD BE A HUGE EFFORT FINANCIALLY AND ALSO IN TERMS OF OUR CITIZENS TRUSTING US AND MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND MR. JOHNSON, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD HARD WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACHIEVE OR DO WITH PAID PARKING? THE CITIZEN I CAN TELL YOU IS GOING TO FEEL LIKE IT'S PUNITIVE. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY, THAT'S WHERE THEY GO TO. AND SO, I THINK FOR US TO EMBARK ON THIS, WE NEED TO HAVE A FULL COMMISSION AND HAVE A DISCUSSION. EVEN.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GO FROM HERE.
YES, SIR. MR. MIMMS. WE HAVE HALF OF A PRESENTATION THAT HAS YET TO BE PRESENTED.
I HAVE A PAPER COPY. SO, I GUESS I WILL TAKE OVER.
>> THE BIG PORTION OF THE WORK THAT I WORKED ON IS THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. NOW I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT PARTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
THE REGULAR PARKING ENFORCEMENT AND THE PORTION FOR THE PAID PARKING. CODE ENFORCEMENT STARTED DOING PARKS ENFORCEMENT IN 2017. WE DID A MINOR AMENDMENT TO THE PARKING ORDINANCE BACK THEN. WE LIVED WITH IT FOR THE PAST FOUR, FIVE YEARS AND WE KNOW THERE'S ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS WE NEED TO DO. THIS PROPOSED PARKING ORDINANCE INCLUDES THE CHANGES WE WANT TO THE EXISTING ORDINANCE REGARDLESS PLUS THE PORTION FOR THE PAID PARKING.
SO THERE'S TWO PORTIONS TO THIS. REGARDING THE COMPONENTS OF THE ORDINANCE, THERE'S A STRUCTURE THAT GOES TO IT.
YOUR AUTHORITY TO DO IT. THE AUTHORITY FOR THE FEES AND THE TYPES OF FEES. THE PAID PARKING REGULATIONS WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. PARKING PERMITS WHICH GO HAND IN HAND WITH PAID PARKING COULD ALSO GO HAND IN HAND WITH TIMED PARKING. THAT'S A CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN REGARDLESS OF PAID OR NOT. AND THEN THERE'S THE PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENT WHICH I MADE CHANGES AND UPGRADES FROM OUR EXISTING ORDINANCE. NEXT SLIDE.
SO IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, OF COURSE THERE'S THE TITLE, THE APPLICABILITY.
THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE PARKING CITATIONS AND THEN THE CITY'S ABILITY TO ESTABLISH PAID PARKING ZONES.
SO THAT'S THE GENERAL ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION OF IT.
IT GIVES US THE RIGHT TO DO IT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.
OKAY. THE NEXT SECTION IS THE FEE RESOLUTION. AND THIS IS ESTABLISHING FEES FOR THE PAID PARKING AND PARKING PERMITS.
IT'S ESTABLISHING FEES FOR LATE PENALTIES AND IMMOBILIZATION.
IT'S MISSING FROM OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE.
IF YOU HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, YOU CONTINUE TO ACCUMULATE WHERE WE'RE NOT ADDING IMMOBILIZATION SECTION TO OUR ORDINANCE. SO THERE'S DISTINCT SECTIONS FOR FEES AND WHAT THE CITY CAN, AND HOW WE DO IT.
IT WILL BE BY RESOLUTION WHICH IS WHAT ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES ARE SET BY. STICKING TO PAID RESOLUTIONS, THE SECTION THAT IS SPECIFIC TO THE PAID PARKING REGULATIONS IS THE IMPROPER PARKING, THE HOURS OF OPERATION WHICH WE HAVE FROM
9:00 A.M. TO 9:00 P.M. >> YES.
9 TO 9. THAT RECOMMENDATION CAME FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE. TO ALLOW FOR THE MORNING TRAFFIC TO ALLOW YOU TO GRAB COFFEE AND GO.
BEFORE YOU COME AND STAY. VERSUS THE PEOPLE COMING IN TO STAY. AND MY SCREEN JUST WENT TOO.
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ESTABLISHING LOADING ZONES. ESTABLISHING ELECTRICAL VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS AND PROVIDING CERTAINLY EXEMPTIONS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND ENFORCEMENT FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE TO THE ORDINANCE IS TO ESTABLISH FOR PARKING PERMITS. THEY WERE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PARKING PERMITS BEING RECOMMENDED.
THIS IS PART OF OUR LEARNING CURVE WE HAVE FROM THE EXISTING TWO HOUR PARKING. AND THE FIRST ONE IS FOR BUSINESSES. THE LOADING ZONES IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ARE STATED FOR COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.
WE HAVE PLENTY OF BUSINESSES THAT HAVE OWNERS THAT USE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES FOR THEIR BUSINESS.
AND SO WHAT THIS ALLOWS FOR IS BUSINESSES TO OBTAIN A PERMIT TO USE THE LOADING ZONES. WOULD GO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THEIR BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS. IT WOULD ALLOW THE PERSONAL VEHICLES IN THE LOADING ZONES TO USE THEIR VEHICLES.
IF I HAVE UPS I KNOW IT'S LOADING AND UNLOADING.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED. THE OWNERSHIP OF SAIL FISH WAS MAKING A DELIVERY. BUT HE HAD HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE AND GOT CITED FOR BEING IN THE LOADING ZONE.
JAMIE'S FLOWERS HAVE PEOPLE WHO USE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES.
IT ALLOWS THEM TO USE THE LOADING ZONES WITHOUT BEING TICKETED. AND CONTRACTING.
THIS WAS RAISED WITH ENFORCEMENT OF THE TWO-HOUR PARKING.
IT'S RECOMMENDED TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONTRACTOR PERMITS. A LIMITED AND UNLIMITED IS I BELIEVE THE VERBIAGE. THE LIMITED WOULD PROVIDE A CONTRACTOR PARKING FOR A WEEK. WHERE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO USE METERED PARKING. JUST COME IN, SOMEBODY IS COMING IN FOR THE DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN AN UNLIMITED WHERE YOU RESERVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME. SO WE HAD A BUSINESS DOWN HERE AT SECOND AND A THAT CAUGHT ON FIRE.
THEY HAD A DUMPSTER OUTSIDE FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME FOR THAT REHABILITATION. THEY WOULD PAY FOR THOSE PARKING SPOTS FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME.
>> MARINA PERMITS WOULD BE RESTRICTED TO NORTH MARINA PARKING LOT AND THE THIRD AND FOURTH FLOOR OF THE PARKING LOT.
IT WOULD NOT APPLY FOR MARINA SQUARE.
AND THEN RESIDENT PARKING. THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THIS.
FOR WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING BACK IN THE FALL.
AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS RAISED BY SEVERAL PEOPLE WERE PEOPLE WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN. WILL THEY BE ELIGIBLE TO GET A PARKING PERMIT FOR GUESTS THEY HAVE COMING IN? SO WE PUT THAT IN AS AN OPTION. A RESIDENT PARKING PERMIT IF YOU RESIDE WITHIN 500 FEET OF A PAID PARKING ZONE, YOU COULD PURCHASE TWO RESIDENTIAL PARKING PERMITS TO GIVE TO YOUR GUESTS SO THEY CAN PARK IN A PAID PARKING ZONE. THERE'S ALSO BEACH PARKING.
AND THAT'S A DISCUSSION I THINK THE COMMISSION MIGHT WANT TO HAVE. THIS IS AN IDEA FOR THOUGHT.
IF THE DOWNTOWN PAID PARKING IS A LITTLE BRIDGE TOO FAR, PAID PARKING ON THE BEACH MIGHT BE THE TOE IN THE WATER WE NEED TO START WITH. WE HAVE RESTRICTIONS DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE THE TWO HOUR PARKING. THERE'S UNLIMITED FREE PARKING ON OUR BEACHES. WE HAVE VISITORS COMING FROM AS FAR SOUTH AS MIAMI BECAUSE EVERYTHING DOWN SOUTH IS PAID.
WE MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER, LOOKING AT THE BEACH TO START AND MAYBE EXPANDING DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THE BEACHES ARE OUT OF CONTROL WITH PARKING. OTHER THAN SAYING YOU NEED TO PARK IN A LEGITIMATE PARKING SPACE, THERE'S NO RESTRICTIONS AT ALL. NO TIME LIMITS.
IT'S UNLIMITED FREE PARKING AT THE BEACHES RIGHT NOW.
HAVING SAID THAT, IF WE GO TO THE PAID PARKING INCLUDING AT THE BEACH, EVERY RESIDENT WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY PROVIDED TWO FREE PARKING PERMITS TO USE AT THE BEACH.
SO THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE PARKING PERMITS.
AND PENALTIES AND ENFORCEMENT. THE PENALTIES WOULD BE THE SAME.
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CONTESTING THE PENALTIES WOULD HAVE A CHANGE.THE PAY SYSTEM IS THE CHANGE AND THE ADJUDICATION IS THE SAME.
THAT'S EXISTING PROCESS WE TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT BUT THE SAME THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.
>> THAT'S IT. >> JUST TO FINISH THAT UP ON ADJUDICATION, WE HAVE BOOTING OR BARNACLES.
SOME TYPE OF IMMOBILIZATION. >> IN THAT MAP I INCLUDED WHERE
THE SPACES WOULD BE. >> IS IT OUT OF CONTROL IN ALL
PLACES. >> SOUTH PARK AND JETTY.
>> SOUTH BEACH, I NEVER KNEW IT WAS ALL THAT OVERWHELMINGLY.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY. BUT JC, JETTY AND SOUTH CAUSEWAY. I TOTALLY GET IT.
COMMISSIONER. >> I KNOW WE'RE 1:10 IN.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE FOLKS CAN TALK TO US.
>> ME TOO. >> I THINK WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION. I CREATED A DISTRACTION EARLIER.
APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC IF I COULD ASK. A LOT WITH ME.
YOU'RE FINISHED WITH YOUR PRESENTATION, RIGHT?
>> ALL RIGHT WITH ME. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE
COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> GOOD MORNING.
MICHELE MILLER. CLERK OF COURT.
I HAVE TWO CONCERNS AND NOT HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH AUDREY WITH THIS. IT REQUIRES AS US THE CLERK TO SEND ON THE A JURY SUMMONS. THIS NEEDS TO BE RECONSIDERED.
PUTTING AN ADDITIONAL PIECE OF PAPER INTO THAT COST US THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DO THAT EVERY YEAR.
SO WE WOULD NEED TO THINK OF A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THAT AND THE SECOND CONCERN I HAVE. WHAT WOULD WE DO WITH MY EMPLOYEES? WOULD THEY HAVE A PARKING PERMIT THEY WOULD HAVE YOU KNOW IN SOME OF THE PARKING LOTS OR WHAT DO WE DO WITH THEM? THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING IN
THE GARAGES RIGHT NOW. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT TO US. MAYOR, COUNCIL.
JOHN HENNING. A RESIDENT OF THE FORT PIERCE.
I KNOW I HAVE THREE MINUTES. THE FIRST WORKSHOP WE WENT TO TALKED ABOUT IT BEING FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS FOR TWO TO $3.
WHEN THE GUY WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST IT, SEEMS LIKE THE PRICE SOUNDS LIKE IT'S COMING DOWN SOME.
IS IT TO SELL US ON THE IDEA OR NOT? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FIVE TO SEVEN YEARS TO PAY IT BACK.
THAT'S NOT COUNTING ANYTHING OF INSTALLING ALL OF THIS STUFF.
AS FAR AS THE TOTAL PRICE, IT'S TALKING ABOUT $750,000 TO INSTALL, NOT COUNTING US. AND ALSO WHAT ABOUT PAYING FOR THE FOOD PICK UP? YOU GO IN THERE AND ALREADY ORDERED. YOU HAVE TO PAY TO GET IN? IS THERE A PLAN FOR THE 15 MINUTES YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO GET AN ORDER IN AND GET IT COOKED? IS THAT GOING TO COST ME ANOTHER $2 TO PARK TO RUN INTO THE STORE.
I DID TALK ABOUT A LOT ABOUT THE -- TO THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE RESTAURANTS LIKE THE CAFES. SHE DEFINITELY DOES NOT WANT THAT. WHAT SHE, HER IDEA AND MY IDEA WAS WHY REINVENT THE WHEEL? WE HAVE THIS PERFECT THING EVERY TWO HOURS, YOU HAVE TO MOVE YOUR CAR AND GET IT OUT OF THERE.
WHY DON'T WE MAKE THAT OBVIOUS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF SPOTS THAT ISN'T OBVIOUS. EVEN IF WE HAVE TO PAINT THE CURB YELLOW OR SOMETHING AND ENFORCE IT.
WHY DO WE PUT ALL THIS MONEY OUT JUST TO ENFORCE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE? SO LET'S ENFORCE WHAT WE DO HAVE AND I'M GETTING OUT OF MY CAR ALL THE TIME.
I WORK DOWN HERE ALL THE TIME AS A REALTOR AND MY WIFE WORKS HERE AS AN ATTORNEY. WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT OUR TWO HOURS. BUT NOW, THE LAST SIX MINUTES OR SO, WE HAVE BEEN HAPPY AS HELL BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE THE CARS. YOU ENFORCE THAT, I KNOW I HAVE TO MOVE MY CARS. I DON'T NEED A METER AND MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT. LET'S SEE.
YOU TALKED ABOUT CITIES. THERE'S SEVERAL CITIES AND I'M
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SURE DOWNTOWN STEWART TURNED THIS DOWN.ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THEY TURNED THIS IDEA DOWN.
THERE'S PROBABLY 10 CITIES IN FLORIDA THAT THIS HAPPENED AND SOME TURNED IT DOWN AND SOME TOOK IT.
WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH THE CITIES? WHAT HAPPENED WITH THEM? WE BROUGHT THAT UP AT THE FIRST MEETING ALSO.
AT THAT FIRST WORKSHOP. WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT OTHER ONES? I BELIEVE IT WAS YOU THAT BROUGHT IT UP.
WE TALK ABOUT LET'S COMPARE IT TO OTHER CITIES AND SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT. THEN I WILL MAKE THIS MY LAST ONE. I DARE YOU RIGHT NOW TO FIND FIVE NOT USED SPOTS. I COULD SHOW YOU FIVE AT LEAST RIGHT NOW. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A BIG PROBLEM OF PARKING. WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PARKING.
ON -- I'M DOWN HERE EVERY DAY. THAT'S MY TIME.
THANK YOU VERY >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT. >> I PRACTICED.
YOU DID A GOOD JOB. ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE AND FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE.
GO BACK TO THE COMMISSION. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND COMMISSIONERS, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?
>> WELL, MADAM MAYOR AND I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR WAITING AROUND AND ALLOWING US TO HAVE CONVERSATION.
THIS IS OUR PROCESS LIKE IT OR NOT.
THIS IS THE ONLY TIME WE GET A CHANCE TO TALK AS COMMISSION AND MAYOR IN A PUBLIC SETTING AND PUBLIC FORUM FOR ALL OF YOU.
THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO SHARED YOUR COMMENTS.
IT'S WELL RECEIVED. JUST KNOW WE ARE CONSTANTLY CHALLENGING AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH OURSELVES AND I WILL HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH CONSTITUENTS AND I WELCOME THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO JUMP INTO THIS AND MAKE A RAPID DECISION. I ENJOYED THE CONVERSATION AND THE THOUGHTS. I HAVE ENJOYED THE INPUT AND SHARING OF IDEAS AND THINGS THAT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT.
I STILL GO BACK TO THE POINT OF, THIS COMMISSION OPERATES BETTER WITH DATA. MORE DATA WE HAVE, AS FAR AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, WE ARE PRETTY DISCERNING IN LOOKING AT THAT. WE WILL PROTECT THE INTERESTS OF THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE BEFORE WE MAKE COSTLY DECISIONS.
THIS CITY HAS WORKED ITSELF OUT OF FINANCIAL SITUATIONS AND WE ARE STARTING TO SEE A GLIMMER OF HOPE AND LIGHT ON THE HORIZON.
I DON'T WANT TO RETURN US TO THAT POINT.
I WASN'T A PART OF IT THEN AND I DON'T WANT TO BE A PART OF IT NOW. SO THANK YOU.
I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO WHERE IT WAS BECAUSE I WAS NOT THERE.
AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT US WHERE YOU GUYS WERE THAT WERE HERE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK THERE. >>
>> YEAH. JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS.
YOU KNOW IF WE COULD GO BACK AND [INAUDIBLE] AND MICHAEL ROBERTS WERE HERE EARLIER. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE WENT TO.
THESE GUYS HAVE GOOD CONVERSATIONS IN THEIR MEETINGS.
YOU KNOW THE FOLKS THAT I TALKED TO THAT ARE CONSTITUENTS OR JUST FOLKS THAT CARE ABOUT FT. PIERCE AND COME DOWNTOWN A LOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A CHANGE SO THEY'RE CHALLENGED WITH THE IDEA AND THOUGHTS OF CHANGE. BUT THERE ARE SOME FOLKS WHO SAY IN THEIR OWN PARKING COMMITTEE THAT ARE VERY IN TUNE WITH THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE COME FROM OTHER AREAS OR CITIES AND THIS IS A NORMAL WAY OF LIFE. IT'S PART OF THAT URBAN CORE ENVIRONMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN. SO WHEN YOU COME DOWNTOWN, WHETHER IT'S TO PICK UP SOMETHING OR DELIVER, THERE'S A MEANS AND A METHOD AND APPROACH TO HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT.
WHETHER IT'S YOU HAVE TO PARK AND WALK A LITTLE BIT OR YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THE METER TO DO YOUR BUSINESS OR THERE'S A LOADING ZONE TO DO THAT ACTIVITY ALSO.
LIKE YOU SAID EARLIER, IT'S A MARKED VEHICLE STILL DOING BUSINESS WITH THE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENT OF DOWNTOWN.
YEAH. WE NEED THE DATA COMMISSIONER.
I STILL, I WANT THE DATA. I'M NOT SURE THE DATA IS GOING TO TELL ME, IT MAY TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT WHAT IS MY, I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. THE MISSION OBJECTIVE.
AM I TRYING TO, AM I CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT TO WHERE FOLKS ARE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS? OF COURSE THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AT WHAT PRICE NO PUN INTENDED.
AND PART OF THAT PRICE MIGHT BE DISCONTENT OR UNHAPPINESS.
PANDERING FOR MORE REVENUE. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
I TAKE ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT. THESE ARE CHALLENGING DECISIONS.
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IT'S A LOT TO WEIGH IN ON. I FEEL LIKE, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT AT ANOTHER AGENDA MEETING.THE PARKING DEFICIT IS A LITTLE HIGHER ON MY RADAR SCREEN THAN THIS ONE TO BE HONEST. JUST LOOKING AT THE ACTIVITY OF THE PAST WEEKEND AND ALL THE EVENTS AND FOLKS FOUND A WAY TO PARK AT THE PARKS AND PLACES SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PARKING ALL OVER THE PLACE ACTUALLY. AND SO IT'S COMMON PRACTICE FOR US TO MOVE ALONG WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S A SPECIAL TIME OR A SPECIAL EVENT. BUT AS FAR AS THE DAY-TO-DAY OPER OPERATIONS, WE REALLY HAVE TO LOOK AT. THE CLERK OF THE COURT AND WHEN I WAS AT THE COUNTY, WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME.
THAT'S ONE OF MAJOR PLAYERS IN OUR CORE BASED ON JURY SUMMONS, THEY ARE INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF JURY SUMMONS ALSO.
THAT'S THE CONVERSATION I HAVE HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE COUNTY.
NOT FROM CLERK MILLER. BUT SHE CAN PROBABLY TELL THAT'S WHAT SHE'S GOING TO DO. SHE DIDN'T SAY IT TODAY.
THAT'S THE TRUTH. AND THEN THE INVENTORY OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT COME JUST WITHIN THAT ELEMENT OF THE CLERK OF THE COURT SYSTEM IN DOWNTOWN. YOU KNOW THE ELEMENT OF EMPLOYEES IS OVER 200 WHEN I WAS THERE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS.
WHEN YOU HAD A JURY SUMMONS ON MONDAY, TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY OVER 200 AND EMPLOYEES REPORTING IN THE SAME ENVIRONMENT THAT ARE OVER 200, WE HAVE A PARKING GARAGE OF 187 PARKING SPACES.
THE MATH IS REAL SIMPLE. THAT NOW THAT MOVING INTO OUR INVENTORY OF PARKING SPACES. I SAY OUR AS IN THE CITY OFFERED FREE PUBLIC PARKING. SO THESE ARE ALL CHALLENGES.
THEY ARE GOOD CHALLENGES BUT THINGS WE HAVE TO STRIVE FOR.
THE LONG STORY SHORT. LONG STORY LONGER IS THAT THE INVENTORY IS WHERE I'M FOCUSED AT THIS POINT.
THE PAID PARKING ELEMENT, IT'S A GOOD THING TO KEEP ON THE RADAR SCREEN. I WANT TO KEEP IT ON THE RADAR SCREEN. I'M JUST TORN WITH THE MOVEMENT TODAY WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER PLAN THAT'S A PARALLEL PLAN.
I THINK THE JURY PARKING IS A REAL CHALLENGE.
AND OBVIOUSLY I'M GLAD THAT THE CLERK SHAREDED THAT WITH US.
SO, TO ME, IT SEEMS LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS TODAY WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO KNOW.
FIRST, ENFORCEMENT REPORT AT SOME POINT.
WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT REPORT AT SOME POINT. ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE HOURS OF THE TRAM AND HOW THAT, WHAT DAYS AND HOURS IT WORKS.
THAT'S PART OF PARKING. IF I COULD ADD TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT IT'S, I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE GARAGE AND PICK UP THE TRAM THERE. I HEARD THAT.
I ALSO, DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIME WHEN KINGS LANDING WILL BE
BUILT? >> I WOULD SAY IT'S VERY CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW. I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS SHOULD BE COMPLETE. I WILL SAY THAT THE SITE WORK
WILL BEGIN LATER THIS YEAR. >> IN A WAY, WE HAVE A THREE-YEAR WINDOW TO GRAPPLE WITH THAT.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A BIGGER DEFICIT.
A HUGE DEFICIT BY THEN. WE HAVE, WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR RADAR THAT DOES CREATE MORE PARKING IN MY OPINION. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AND HAVE THAT KIND OF A PLAN TO DO THAT. SO, I ALSO AM VERY INTERESTED IF WE CAN REACH OUT TO SARASOTA AND FIND OUT THEIR CHALLENGES.
WHAT THEY LEARNED FROM GOING FROM FREE PARKING TO PAID PARKING AND THE THINGS THEY DO DIFFERENTLY OR JUST KIND OF WHAT THEIR EXPERIENCE IS AND ALSO DO THEY HAVE A PLAN FOR CREATING MORE PARKING SPACES? AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHAT
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WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY. ALSO I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY THINK THAT MAYBE THE PARKING COMMITTEE CAN -- WHEN IT MEETS AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT THE JURY PARKING AND PART OF THE RECOMMENDATION, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT THE CLERK -- WHETHER CAN DO FINANCIALLY OR CANNOT DO FINANCIALLY. SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DRIVE AND WE ALREADY DEALT WITH THE COURT SYSTEM.WE SET ASIDE PARKING PLACES FOR THE SHERIFF, FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ALREADY. SO, I DON'T WANT THE CLERK TO LEAVE DOWNTOWN AND WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE FORCED.
WE DON'T NOT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE THE CITY OF FT.
PIERCE, THE BOOGIE MAN BECAUSE WE WON'T PROVIDE JURY PARKING.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY OUR RESPONSIBILITY BUT WE WANT TO BE SERVICE MINDED TO EVERYBODY. ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADD? MR. MIMMS.
>> YOU HAVE STATED YOU WANT THAT AND THE DATA THAT I HAVE BEEN TAKING NOTES IS PARKING ENFORCEMENT, INFORMATION ON SARASOTA AND THEIR EXPERIENCES. AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL ESTIMATE FOR THE PHYSICAL OR THE OPERATIONAL COSTS, WE CAN GIVE YOU A CURSORY ESTIMATE ON THAT. IS THERE ANY OTHER DATA YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE THE NEXT TIME WE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE?
>> IF I COULD ADD ONE MORE. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT AND I MEANT TO BRING IT UP EARLIER. I HAVEN'T HEARD IT YET FROM ANY REPORTS IS THE ELEMENT OF A VERTICAL STRUCTURE.
THAT'S THE ONLY REPORT WE HAVEN'T SEEN.
IF YOU GO TO A FIVE STORY GARAGE, YOU ONLY HAVE ONE CONTROLLED PAID PARKING KIOSK. THAT ONLY COST $65,000 AND $80 A MONTH. AND I CAN GO IN AND OUT OF A
CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT. >> YOU KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE IT,
THE BRIGHT LINE STATION >> EVERY ONE.
>> RIGHT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT REPORT. I WROTE IT DOWN AND APOLOGIZE.
I DIDN'T BRING IT UP EARLIER. THAT BIG INVESTMENT GOT A LOT SMALLER. WE INVESTED IN THE CONCRETE FOR THE VERTICAL. MAYBE THERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT
IN OTHER CITIES. >> THAT'S AN EXAMPLE IN EVERY
CITY. >> A CITY OR JURISDICTION WENT FROM FREE PARKING EVERYWHERE TO A PAID PARKING SYSTEM WITH ONE GARAGE OR SOMETHING. I'M SURE.
>> AND REFRESH MY MEMORY, DOES ANYBODY REMEMBER WHAT BRIGHT LINE WAS GOING TO MAKE THEIR DECISION WHERE THE BE? RIGHT?
>> ALL RIGHT. THE STRUCTURE IN 2023 SHOULD BE OPERATIONAL FROM MIAMI TO ORLANDO.
THEY CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION AND HAVE A
>> UP THE COAST. >> OPERATIONAL STATION WITHIN
SO RIGHT NOW IT'S THE POSSIBILITY IS 2028.
>> YEP. AND THEY MADE A REPORT THE OTHER DAY ON TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING.
I WILL BRING UP IN OUR CONFERENCE AGENDA.
>> DO THEY HAVE A GOVERNMENT LIAISON.
>> RUSTY. >> IT WAS NOT RUSTY.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH QUIET ZONES AND SIGNALIZATION OF CROSSWALKS. I WILL BRING THAT REPORT NEXT
TIME. >> SO MY NEXT QUESTION TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. DO YOU WANT TO SCHEDULE ANOTHER SPECIAL WORKSHOP. WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE ON MARCH 14.
WE WILL TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE PARKING IN DOWNTOWN AND THOSE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES. THIS INFORMATION WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE. SO WHAT TYPE OF TIME FRAME ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? I'M GOING TO SAY CONSERVATIVELY.
GIVE US AT LEAST 60 DAYS TO GET ALL THIS INFORMATION TOGETHER.
WE HAVE TO OUTREACH TO ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
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WE WOULD LIKE TO GET THEIR INFORMATION AS WELL.>> WELL, I WOULD PREFER IT ON A CONFERENCE AGENDA THAT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED. BUT, IF YOU KNOW, IT'S APRIL.
APRIL PERHAPS. >> WE COULD PROBABLY PUSH IT FOR APRIL. I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE FOR MAY.
WE CAN PUSH FOR APRIL. I WOULD SAY MARCH.
I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WE WILL TRY APRIL.
>> I THINK APRIL FOR ME WOULD BE A GOOD CHECK IN.
I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS, WE MAY NOT GET ALL THAT LIST.
SOME WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT DATA BETWEEN NOW AND APRIL TO KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING. OBVIOUSLY THE THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL LISTEN TO THIS AND GATHER THEIR THOUGHTS.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THE PARKING COMMITTEE AS SIGNED OFF ON THESE RECOMMENDATIONS. IS THAT SOMETHING THEY SIGNED
OFF ON? >> THE PARKING COMMITTEE WAS VERY INVOLVED WITH PROVIDING THEIR INPUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE. THEY REVIEWED IT TWICE BEFORE TODAY. THEY AGREE AND ACTUALLY HAD REALLY GOOD INPUT AS IT RELATED TO SOME OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS.
THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS. >> AND THEN, SO, IT'S NOT LIKE
>> THEY JUST ARE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
YOU TWEAKED THE ENFORCEMENT A LITTLE BIT
>> YES, MA'AM. WHAT IS DIFFERENT?
>> THE APPEAL PROCESS IS DIFFERENT.
IT PROVIDES FOR REQUEST FOR THE APPEAL FOR REVIEW BY MANAGEMENT, WE STARTED IMPLEMENTING IT BUT SO IT DOES A LITTLE BETTER FOR THE APPEAL PROCESS. OUTLINING THE STEPS AND IT ALSO INCLUDES THE IMMOBILIZATION. SO UNPAID PARKING TICKET
PENALTIES. >> LAST QUESTION, ARE WE STILL UTILIZING PARKING SPACES IN THE PROCESS? OR WAS THAT BLOCKED OFF? WE ALLOWED THAT? THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE. I THOUGHT WE HAD GOTTEN RID OF
IT. >> I THINK WE DO STILL HAVE THE,
OUR LITTLE, THEY CAN PAY -- >> SO, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PUTTING CONES OUT OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS?
>> CONES. >> THE ONE THAT PUTS THE CONES OUT IS THE ST. LUCIE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
HOPEFULLY THAT IS CURED. WE DON'T HAVE SPECIAL PROVISIONS FOR BUSINESSES. I SAW PEGGY LOOKING AT ME.
WE DON'T HAVE SPECIAL PROVISIONS TO BLOCK OFF PARKING SPACES.
PERMITS CAN BE ACQUIRED THROUGH SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
IF THERE'S A SPECIAL EVENT, YOU CAN PAY THE SPECIAL EVENT FEE
AND HAVE A PARKING SPACE. >> IT ENTERED MY THOUGHT BECAUSE SHE TALKED ABOUT THINGS CHANGING.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND THAT EXACT THING.
>> RIGHT NOW OUR ENFORCEMENT IS TWO HOUR PARKING UP UNTIL 5 O'CLOCK. IS THAT RIGHT?
AND ON THE WEEKENDS? >> THERE'S NO TIME REQUIREMENTS.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? OKAY. SHALL WE ADJOURN.
ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO BE ADJOURNING.
IF EVERYBODY WILL MOVE OUT OF THE CHAMBERS.
WE WIL
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