Mar 14, 2022 City Commission Conference Agenda

[1. Call to Order]

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TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THE FORT PIERCE CONFERENCE AGENDA MEETING. STAY TUNED FOR THE PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

TO THE REPUBLIC FOR AT WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: HERE, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA:

PRESENT. >> FIRST ITEM -- EXCUSE ME.

[a. Update on the Sunrise Humane Society and discussion on their request for representation from the Commission as a non-voting member of the Board of Directors.]

DIRECTORS. >> BEFORE WE GET STARTED -- AFTER THIS ITEM CAN WE MOVE ITEM E FORWARD TO THE ITEM NUMBER 2? BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE TO LEAVE BY 11:00 AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE IT THERE.

>> IS THAT FINE WITH THE REST OF ME AND THE REST OF THE

COMMISSION? >> ITEM E?

>> MISS MORRIS, ANYTHING TO SAY BEFORE WE GO INTO THIS

DISCUSSION. >> NO MA'AM.

>> WELCOME. >> I AM DR. JULIE KITUMS, THE FOUNDER OF SUNRISE HUMANE SOCIETY.

I AM A FULL-TIME VOLUNTEER AT THE SHELTER AND SITTING ON THE BOARD OF THE SUNRISE HUMANE SOCIETY.

THE HISTORY OF SUNRISE, JUST FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE UNAWARE, TWO YEARS AGO PLUS OUR MUNICIPAL SHELTER CLOSED.NOT A GREAT THING FOR THE CITY.

THE MUNICIPAL SHELTER IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT FOR SAFETY AND HEALTH. IF THE ANIMALS ARE RUNNING ON THE STREETS, IT IS NOT SAFE FOR RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

REOPENING A MUNICIPAL SHELTER IS A VITAL PART OF PUBLIC SAFETY. AS I PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY WATCH THIS PLAY OUT OVER TWO YEARS, I BECAME INCREASINGLY CONCERNED OVER AREA -- PRIVATE RESCUE AND SHELTERS BECOME OVERWHELMED IN THEIR CAPACITY FOR CARE.

AS THIS MOVES ON, WE RALLY THE TROOP OF THE ANIMAL WELFARE COMMUNITY AND WE CAN REOPEN A NEW SHELTER.

HIGHLY UNUSUAL ENDEAVOR. I DON'T KNOW IT HAS BEEN DONE WITH GROUPS OF OTHER NONPROFITS COLLECTIVELY REOPEN A MUNICIPAL SHELTER. TO THE CREDIT OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMMISSION, THEY GAVE US THE KEYS.

WE HAD BUMPS IN THE ROAD AS ANY NEW BUSINESS FINDS.

AND ADD TO IT THE GREAT RESIGNATION DESPITE WE PERCENT VEERED AND MOVED OVER 1800 ANIMAL IN OUR SYSTEM DURING THAT TIME. AN INCREDIBLE SUCCESS STORY.

WE ARE AVERAGING TWO ADOPTIONS A DAY.

AND WE ARE SLOWLY DRAWING THE COMMUNITY BACK INTO THE SHE SHELTER. AND THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF A MUNICIPAL SHELTER THAT IT IS A COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATION. A LOT OF NONPROFITS, MAYBE THEY HAVE THEIR -- THEIR SMALL SLICE OF WHAT THEIR MISSION IS, AND THE MISSION OF THE MUNICIPAL SHELTER IS HUMANE EDUCATION AND THE PUBLIC IT SERVES. WE SERVICE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND LAST WEEK WAS THE LAST WEEK INCORPORATING UNINCORPORATED. AND WE ARE GLAD TO SEE THIS NEW DAWN OF WORKING SOLELY AND EXCLUSIVELY WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ITS RESIDENTS. WE ARE VERY, VERY BUSY AT ALL TIMES. EVEN YOUR OPENING HOURS ARE SIX DAYS A WEEK, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. OUR LOBBY IS FLOODED WITH PEOPLE WHO NEED HELP. YESTERDAY OVER TEN PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING TO ADOPT OVER A THREE-HOUR PERIOD AND THREE ADOPTIONS. EACH DAY HAS CHALLENGES, BUT ARE OVERWHELMING SUCCESSES. THAT IS THE HISTORY OF WHY SUNRISE IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AND SPECIFICALLY TO THE -- TO THE COMMISSION.

YOU GIVE US FUNDING. AND THAT FUNDS SOMETHING VITAL TO OUR -- TO BEING SUSTAINABLE ORGANIZATION.

SO WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS A BOARD OF DIRECTORS FOR SUNRISE IS THAT HAVING TRANSPARENCY IS A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF THE NONPROFIT THAT SERVICES A COMMUNITY AND TRANSPARENCY MAY BE IN THE FORM OF PAPERWORK WHERE WE HAND OVER AND SAY HERE IS WHAT WE SPENT LAST MONTH. MORE IMPORTANTLY HAVE SOMEONE ON THE GROUND IN OUR BOARD MEETINGS THAT HAPPEN EVERY MONDAY AT 4 P.M. -- SORRY. THE LAST MONDAY OF THE MONTH AT 4 P.M. AT THE SHELTER. RIGHT NOW WE ARE HAVING VERY FREQUENT BOARD MEETINGS BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED AND THE MEETINGS LAST ABOUT AN HOUR. IT IS DURING SOMEWHAT NORMAL WORKING BUSINESS HOURS. DURING THAT TIME, WE, OF CO

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ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUES QUESTIONS?

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN AN UNUSUAL JOURNEY SO FAR, NOTHING WHAT WE THOUGHT WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED OFF.

IT HAPPENS. IT HAPPENS TO ME A WHOLE LOT.

I KNOW FUND RAISE SOMETHING IS A BIG COMPONENT OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. AND I KNOW THAT HAS BEEN HA HAMPERED BY THE PANDEMIC AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IS THAT STARTING TO RAMP UP? DO YOU SEE A LIGHT AT THE END

OF THE TUNNEL? >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THAT IS A REALLY GOOD POINT. THE INSTRUMENTAL PART WHY YOU HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THAT IS THEIR JOB TO FUND RAISE. WHEN WE STARTED THE ENDEAVOR WE HAD AN INTERIM BOARD AND THE BOARD WAS REPRESENTED BY THE VARIOUS ANIMAL WELFARE ORGANIZATIONS TO PITCH IN TO HELP THE FACILITY. AS YOU KNOW CONFLICT OF INTEREST IS CONCERN ON A BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT REPRESENT THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION OF WHICH THEY ARE FUND RAISING FOR AND IN TANDEM, TRYING TO FUND RAISE FOR A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION PRESENTS A HUGE CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THAT IS WHY THIS WAS ALWAYS INTENDED TO BE AN INTERIM BO BOARD.

WE HAVE SLOWLY SHIFTED IT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS AND TWO OF THOSE ARE STILL IN THAT CONFLICT OF INTEREST POSITION AND ARE LOOKING TO MOVE ON AND HAVE SOMEONE IN COMMUNITY REPLACE THEM.

ULTIMATELY IT WILL BE GREAT TO HAVE A BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF TEN INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO ASSIGN THE FUND RAISING COMPONENTS. RIGHT NOW THE FUND RAISE SOMETHING CROWD SOURCE -- CROWD FUNDING ONLINE BECAUSE ONLINE FUNDING IS VERY POWERFUL AND REACHES BEYOND THE COMMUNITY OF FORT PIERCE AND REACHES PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD.

A NEW WAY OF FUND RAISING IN A TIME OF COVID AND A TIME OF

TECHNOLOGY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? YOU MEET MONDAY AT 4 P.M. I AM A BELIEVER THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE A CHAMPION ON THIS COMMISSION.

ALL OF US NEED TO BE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE OPERATOR OF OUR SHELTER. AND I THINK THAT WE -- WE LOST GROUND FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM BUT CIRCUMSTANCES THAT -- THEN THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF ST. LUCIE IS NOW THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF PORT ST. LUCIE AND THEY ARE GOING WITH A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MODEL BECAUSE I THINK THEY HAVE ACTUALLY COUNCILMEMBERS ON THEIR BOARD. I AM NOT SURE, BUT I THINK THEY

DO. >> YOU ARE CORRECT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: NOW THE COUNTY IS GOING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ROUTE. SO ALL OF THIS IS -- HAS -- I THINK HAS HURT THE WHOLE EFFORT HAVING NOTHING DO WITH WHAT ANYBODY DID HERE. SO I THINK -- I THINK THAT WE HAVE COMMISSION MEMBERS APPOINTED TO CERTAIN THINGS -- YOU ARE ON THE SUNRISE. WE -- WE PICK YOU TO BE ON THE SUNRISE. AND I LIKE THE IDEA OF AN EX-OFFICIO BOARD MEMBER. ANYBODY HERE THAT WOULD OBJECT TO THAT. AND ANYBODY HERE IF WE AGREE THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO VOLUNTEER OR

WHO ARE INTERESTED IN IT? >> MAYOR, JUST A QUICK COMMENT.

I AM ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF EX-OWE FISH SHAH.

LOOKING TO A NONVOTING BOARD MEMBERS BUT PART OF THE PRO

PROCESS, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THE CITY IS

EX-OFFICIO. >> NONVOTING MEMBER.

IT IS AN OPTION AND ENGAGEMENT AND COMMUNICATION, DR. KITTUMS FROM THIS BOARD'S PERSPECTIVE, WE ARE ABLE TO COME BACK AND SHARE IT. NOT ALWAYS RELYING ON PEGGY -- PEGGY DOES A GREAT JOB. BUT WE SEE IT FROM A DIFFERENT LENS, I AM SURE. AS POLICYMAKERS AND HOW THAT INFORMATION IS SHARED AND WHAT INFORMATION IS SHARED AND WHY WE MIGHT WANT TO HELP YOU ALONG LINES.

I ALWAYS FOUND IT TO BE A VERY POSITIVE EXPERIENCE.

SO FOR THE BOARD AND FOR THE COMMISSION.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: KEEPS YOU UP TO DATE AND EDUCATED.

KEEPS THE WHOLE COMMISSION. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: VOTING OR NONVOTING. I WANT TO HEAR YOUR IDEAS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM MORE INCLINED TO HAVE IT EX-OFFICIO BUT I WILL LISTEN TO EVERYONE ELSE.

>> MY CONCERN BECAUSE OF FUNDING MECHANISMS AND THEY COME BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR THE FUNDING RECOGNITIONS.

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: PART OF THE BUDGET.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: PART OF THE BUDGET.

MY QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY TO WEIGH IN OF ANY CONFLICTS THAT

MAY PRESENT BECAUSE OF THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MISS EARLEY.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK IT IS CLEAN IROR EASIER IF IT IS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION WHO DOES NOT HAVE A VOTE. AGAIN, I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON SAID.

WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY POTENTIAL CONFLICT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: JUST POPPED IN MY HEAD FOR

SOME REASON. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE ORIGINALLY HAD SOME -- PREVIOUS IN A SIMILAR CITY ATTORNEY WE HAD SIMILAR ADVICE ABOUT THAT. THAT IS MY MEMORY.

>> I THINK YOUR MEMORY IS ACCURATE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YEAH. SO -- WELL, IF THERE ARE NO VOLUNTEERS, NOBODY ELSE, I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO IT IF THE

COMMISSION IS OKAY WITH THAT. >> PERFECTLY FINE.

>> I AM OKAY WITH THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: TOM, YOU ALWAYS ARE THE ONE -- YOU ARE AN ANIMAL LOVER LONG BEFORE I WAS. YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT THIS.

BUT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED. --

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MY FINGER IS ON THE TRIGGER.

I AM A SHORT-TIMER. BUT SOMEBODY --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHY DON'T YOU DO IT FOR THE SHORT TERM AND I

WILL DO IT -- >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WILL BE HAPPY TO. IT IS SOMETHING THAT I GOT TO BE A PART OF ESPECIALLY WITH OUR COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM, OUR TNVR AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS GOING ON.

IT IS QUITE INTERESTING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MAYBE YOU

WILL STAY ON AFTERWARDS. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: YOU KNOW MY WIFE AT ALL? [LAUGHTER]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SHE LOVES ANIMALS.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: SHE DOES.

[LAUGHTER] I AM SORRY FOR PAUSING ON THAT, MAYOR, BUT I HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE LONG TERM OF IT ALL. IF THAT IS THE AGREEMENT, I

WILL BE THRILLED. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD.

>> SHE WILL NEED YOU OUT OF THE HOUSE AT SOME POINT.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AM HOPING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE ON HER SIDE ACTUALLY.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WILL DO IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO TELL US.

>> WE HOSTED GIRL SCOUT TROOP WHO WILL DO A FUND RAISING PROJECT WITH THE SHELTER AND LOCAL PASTOR, JILL.

AND WILL SPEARHEAD OUR BIRTHDAY BLESSING OF THE ANIMALS ON APRIL 22, WHICH IS A FRIDAY AT 9 :30.

WE WILL HAVE AN OUTDOOR EVENT TO BLESS THE FACILITY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: CAN YOU GIVE ME THE DATE OF THE NEXT BOARD MEET SOMETHING IN THE LAST NONMARCH WOULD BE THE 31ST? WHEN IS THE LAST MONDAY IN MARCH.

ANYBODY EVEN HAVE A CALENDAR? >> THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY?

>> MARCH 28. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MARCH 28.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SO THAT -- >> 4 P.M. AT THE SHELTER.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I KNOW WE CAN'T TAKE ANY OFFICIAL ACTION AT THE MEETING. MISS COX AND MISS EARLEY?

>> SAUL DONE BY CONSENSUS AT A FORMAL MEETING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE DO IT AT A CON OFFICER RESIDENCE.

DO A LITTLE HORSE TRADING AND THEN -- YEAH.

OKAY, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU FOR

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: PLEASE READY. -- BE READY.

[e. Discussion of the development of current parking areas in Downtown Fort Pierce]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GOING TO E. >> THE DISCUSSION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF CURRENT PARKING AREAS IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ASKED FOR THIS COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

DO YOU WANT TO IS THAT RIGHT OFF.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I DID.

I AM NOT SURE IF THERE IS ANY STAFF ASSISTANCE ON THIS.

AND MICK AND I WERE TALKING AT ONE OF THE WEEKLY MEETINGS AND KNOWING THE MOVEMENT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND KNOWING THE GROWTH, THE POTENTIAL, THE KINGS LANDING APPLICATION BEING APPROVED BY THIS COMMISSION.

LOOK THE AT OUR PARKING COMMITTEE AND THE ANALYSIS DONE A FEW TIMES NOW AND LOOK AGENT OUR PARKING INVENTORY.

TALKING IN OUR SPECIAL WORKSHOP ABOUT PARKING THE LAST TIME WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP. I ASKED NICK IF WE CAN GET THIS ON THE AGENDA AND LOOK INTO AND TALK ABOUT AND I WANTED TO GET AN IDEA FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? MY THOUGHTS ARE, TO ANALYZE, LOOK AT THE OVERALL -- WE ARE DOING A DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

LOOK AT WHERE WE NEED TO IDENTIFY A PARKING STRUCTURE.

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THE LOCATION CHANGED A COUPLE OF TIMES BEFORE IT GOT APPROVED AND I BELIEVE IT WAS IN '05 AND '06.

SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINES IT GOT CONSTRUCTED AND BUILT.

MY FIRST QUESTION SINCE SHE IS UP HERE TODAY.

IT IS -- YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE INFORMATION, BUT WE ARE STILL PAYING OFF THE BOND ON THAT PARKING STRUCTURE OR -- WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? THROUGH THE FPRA.

>> IT IS THROUGH THE FPRA. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: 30 YEAR? >> 30 YEARS -- 2032, I THINK,

IS THE FINAL YEAR ON THAT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF TO PRO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION AT SOME POINT TO THE COMMISSION AND OPEN IT UP TO TALK TO YOU GUYS WHAT WE SHOULD DO NEXT.

A SHORTAGE OF INVENTORY AND START PLANNING AHEAD.

IN MY IDEAS AND MY THOUGHTS AND MY CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD ME TALK ABOUT IT.

WE ALL TALK ABOUT THE JC PE PENNY,/BISTRO.

I WANT TO OPEN IDEAS. LET THE MARKET INDICATE THROUGH A P 3 OPPORTUNITY, PU PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO MAYBE THERE IS ANOTHER LOCATION.

MAYBE THE MARINA SQUARE PARKING LOT.

NOT TALKING OF THE GREEN GRASS BUT SURFACE LEVEL AND GO VERTICAL ON THAT, POTENTIALLY. DO AN RFQ, RFP PROCESS, CHEYENNE IS HERE AND EXCELLENT TO GET THAT INFORMATION PUT TOGETHER, AT LEAST WITH A TEAM OF FOLKS, AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. MAYBE A PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY. SO I WANTED TO ASK THOSE

QUESTIONS -- >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

WHAT IS OUR CURRENT DEBT LEVEL RIGHT NOW JUST FOR THE CITY AND -- BECAUSE WE HAVE PPRA DEBT AND CITY DEBT.

>> NOT INCLUDING PPRA'S DEBT, WE ARE PROBABLY AT ABOUT -- TRYING TO REMEMBER BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME I INCLUDE FPRA'S

DEBT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: DOESN'T THE

AUDIT DEAL WITH THAT? >> WE HAVE INFORMATION IN THE AUDIT WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY. WE ARE ABOUT -- WITH -- WITHOUT FPRA, PROBABLY ABOUT $20 MILLION TO $30 MILLION.

INGING PORTION IS THE FPRA DEBT AND --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT WILL BE ANOTHER $20 MILLION.

>> ANOTHER $30, $40 MILLION WHERE WE CURRENTLY ARE.

THAT INCLUDES ALL DEBT. ALL OF DEBT THAT WE HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: SOME REASON A NUMBER

60, 65, 70 TOTAL. >> TOTAL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS PRETTY GOOD BECAUSE WHAT OUR DEBT LIMIT AT $67 MILLION FOR THE CITY AND I THINK WHEN I TOOK OFFICE IN 2012, WE WERE $97 MILLION.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: CLOSE TO 100.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: CLOSE TO 100. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THE TIMING BECAUSE OF THE AUDIT AND GETTING INFORMATION AND NUMBERS AND TRYING TO FORECAST OUR FUTURE.

WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO SOME SOMETHING.

SO WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? THAT IS WHY I ASKED FOR THIS TO

BE ON THE AGENDA. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I BELIEVE WALKER IS LOOKING AT THOSE LOCATIONS NOW.

WALKING PARKING GROUP. AND TO MAKE SOME RECOMM RECOMMENDATION. OUR DOWNTOWN IS MOVING NOW.

MAKE A DECISION TODAY MIGHT BE THE WRONG DECISION TOMORROW.

AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF MONEY.

NOT THAT WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF INVENTORY AND NEED MORE.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, XMINUS WHAT IS GOING ON.

USING THE TEMPORARY PARKING AND FILLS IN A WHOLE LOT.

ONE OF THOSE LOTS WAITING FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT THE CITY IS MAKING SOME TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT WITH.

WE ARE LOSING THOSE -- THOSE WILL BE AN ABSOLUTE DRAIN ON OUR INVENTORY. A RECENT PARKING COMMITTEE, WE START TALKING OF DEDICATING PARKING SPOTS FOR E. V.

CHARGING. YOU THINK ABOUT THAT THAT TAKES AWAY PARKING -- PART OF OUR PARKING SOLUTION.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE ERODING FASTER THAN WE ARE MAKING GROUND. YOUR DISCUSSION IS POINT -- RIGHT ON POINT RIGHT NOW. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT AND GET MOVING FASTER THAN NOT. WITH KINGS LANDING COME AGO ON LINED WITH THE 299 PARKING SPOTS THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH. WE ARE LOOKING AT A DEFICIT THAT EXTENDS FROM CITRUS OVERPASS ALL WAY TO SEAWAY AND

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ALL HAPPENING VERY FAST AND THE PARKING COMMITTEE, WE ARE ALL ON PINS AND NEEDLES BECAUSE SEEMS LIKE EVERY MOVE WE MAKE, WE LOSE GROUND. THE IMPORTANT PART THAT OUR VISION IS OUT THERE TAKING A LOOK AT ALL THE ASSETS THAT DO EXIST. EVEN IN MY MIND, ANY TIME, IF I CAN, MAYOR, WE HAD THE FOLKS FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE AT OUR LAST PARKING COMMITTEE MEETING BECAUSE THE ACCELERATED JURY CATCH-UP TIME FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO NINE MONTHS WHERE IT IS DOUBLE AND TRIPLE THE USUAL AMOUNT.

WE ARE TALKING OF GOING MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.

INSTEAD OF TWO DAYS A WEEK. IT IS FOUR DAYS A WEEK AND JUDGES COME IN AND LOOKING AT US RIGHT NOW AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE SAY WE HAVE 150 EMPLOYEES. START WITH IN NUMBER EVERY DAY.

AND WE CAN HAVE EVERYWHERE FROM 75 TO 250 JURORS ON THOSE FOUR DAYS. NOW YOU ADD THAT TO ALL THAT.

THEN EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE GO GOING ON IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

A TEMPORARY ISSUE RIGHT NOW BUT CAUSING A LOT OF STRESS WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. THE WHOLE PARKING SITUATION IS GETTING TO BE QUITE CRITICAL AT THIS TIME AND WE NEED TO GET WALKER STUDY IN HERE TO TELL US WHAT THEY ENVISION AS THE AREAS WE NEED TO REDEVELOPMENT. CREATE A RFP AND LOOK FOR SOMEONE TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND START GETTING VERTICAL WITHIN THE NEXT 18 MONTHS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO

SEE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: YOU ARE RIGHT ON POINT AND ALL THIS IS SPURRING THE CONVERSATION IN MY MIND, AND WE LOOKED AT OUR DOWNTOWN CORE. REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT EXPANDING BEYOND U.S. 1. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS.

AND ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE IN MOTION AND TALKED TO NICK ABOUT THIS AND WE NEED TO IDENTIFY -- WE NEED TO RUN SOME ACTION ITEMS IN PARALLEL WITH THE WALKER STUDY AND CREATING THE RFP, RFQ LANGUAGE TO GET IT OUT THERE TO SEE WHAT THE INTEREST IS. WILL HELP WALKER AND HELP THE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES I THINK.

IT IS HERE AND NOW AND YOU LOOK AT OUR CENSUS JUST CAME OUT.

I FORGET TO MENTION THIS A MINUTE AGO IN LISTENING TO OUR CLERK OF COURT FOLKS AND EXPANSION OF THEIR BUSINESS -- WHICH IS A BUSINESS UNIT HAPPENING ON THEIR COURTHOUSE COMPLEX. POPULATION IS UP AND WILL CONTINUE TO GO UP. COURT CASES GO UP.

CONSTRUCTION. COURT DOCKETS ARE FULL.

ST. LUCIE WEST HAS A SMALL COMPLEX.

I KNOW IT VERY WELL. DOWNTOWN IS WHAT IT IS.

AND NOT ENOUGH PARKING. WHEN I RAN THE NUMBERS FOR COURT COMPLEX AS AN EMPLOYEE OVER THERE, IT WAS -- ON THE EMPLOYEE DOCKET, JUDGES, EVERYONE FULL BORNE IN WHAT THEY HAVE NOW NOT ADDING TO WAS OVER 600 TO 650 ON A CONSISTENT BASIS. SO THAT IS A LOT TAKING OUT OF OUR INVENTORY OF, WHAT, 1800 OUR PARKING COMMITTEE GAVE TO

US NOT LONG AGO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT RESPONSIBILITY DOES THE COUNTY HAVE PROVIDING PARKING FOR ITS EMPLOYEES AND JURORS? I MEAN, IS THERE --

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MAYOR, THAT IS A DISCUSSION.

AUDREY -- AUDREY IS NOT HERE, BUT SHE IS THE ACTUAL PARKING CZAR OF THE CITY OF FORT PI PIERCE.

IN ANYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT PARKING.

SHE IS NOT HERE AND IT IS SAFE. PLEASE CALL HER.

BUT I ASKED HER THE SAME QUESTION.

I SAID, LOOK, WE START TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE AS A SOLUTION. THE ORIGINAL ARCHITECT JACK SCOTT AND HIS GROUP ALWAYS TOLD ME THAT WAS BUILT TO BE ABLE TO ADD FLOORS TO IT. NOW WE ARE HEARING REAL QUICK -- YEAH, BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THE CURRENT STANDARDS AND THEREFORE IT CAN'T BE DONE. OAY.

OR I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY AND GO UP TWO MORE FLOORS IN THE COUNTY. MORE IN YOUR AREA, JEREMIAH.

BUT I AM SAYING TO THE FACT THAT RIGHT NOW AUDREY IS DOING A COMPLETE INVENTORY OF THAT GARAGE LAND DRIVE THROUGH BECAUSE THE JUDGES GET THE BOTTOM FLOOR OR MOST OF THE BOTTOM FLOOR. SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT GETS TEN

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NOT A PUBLIC -- NECESSARILY A FULLY PUBLIC FACILITY.

IT HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO CERTAIN ASPECTS OF OUR COURT AND CLERK SYSTEMS. SO REALLY IT IS NOT PART OF OUR SOLUTION. AND EVERY TIME THEY REQUIRE A MORE SPACE, IT TAKES AWAY FROM OUR INVENTORY.

SO WE ARE GETTING THAT -- SHE SHOULD HAVE THE REPORT HERE WITH US THIS WEEK AND MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY GETS AHEAD OF IT. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT UNDER STANDING BECAUSE WE KEEP THINKING THERE IS A PARTY PARKING GARAGE DOWN THE WAY. SHOULD BE A SOLUTION BUT IT ISN'T. BECAUSE THEY DEDICATE THOSE

SPOTS AWAY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: 187, 189. SIX LANDI CAP SPOTS.

14 ARE DEDICATED TO JUDGE'S ASSISTANTS JAS.

TEN DEDICATED TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

AND FIVE MORE DEDICATED TO SOMEONE ELSE.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FOLKS COMING INTO OUR DOWNTOWN.

AND I SAID A NUMBER A MINUTE AGO, 600 TO 650 WHEN THEY ARE FULL. AND THEY HAVE 187.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: TO ADD TO THAT IF I MAY, MAYOR, LET'S TAKE THE CLERK'S EMPLOYEE PARKING, THE CLERK'S DEPA DEPARTMENT, 150. WE ARE DONE.

JUST WALK AWAY FROM THAT ONE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: REMEMBER, THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT ON A PARKING LOT. THERE WAS A PARKING LOT THERE

AND WE WENT VERTICAL. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THE CLERK'S BUILDING. TOOK AWAY INDIANA HAVE TORY -- GOOD FOR OUR DOWNTOWN, BUT TOOK AWAY INVENTORY.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: LISTENING TO THIS I AGREE ON THE PROCESS AND WE HAVE TO ENGAGE SOME OF OUR PROPERTY OWNERS DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO OWN PROPERTY DOWNTOWN IN FORT PIERCE. AND AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS, WE HAVE TO ALSO TAKE IN CONTINGENCY WHAT THEY ARE THINKING ABOUT AND MAYBE SOME WAY IN THAT RFP, P-3 PROCESS TO FIT WITHIN THEIR PLANS AND THEIR THOUGHTS OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREAS. LARGE SWATHS OVER THERE.

AND SOME HAVE BEEN RECENTLY ACQUIRED AS WELL AND PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE INCLUDING THAT AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS.

TALKED OF ONE SPACE THAT MAY BE COMING OFF THE ROLL.

THE PERSONAL PREROGATIVE, BUT I I THINKS THIS A WAY TO THINK OF HELPING GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE PARKING AS AS WELL -- AS WELL

AS THEIR AMBITIONS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THE SPOT

BEHIND -- AND. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: OWNED BY AN INDIVIDUAL AND A LOT ACROSS THE STREET THAT WE PARK IN ALL THE TIME OWNED BY AN INDIVIDUAL.

THE NEXT BLACK WITH A SWATH OF LAND OWNED BY AN INDIVIDUAL.

AND. THOSE ARE ALL --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BEHIND THE OLD FORT PIERCE HOTEL.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YES.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SO WHAT I HEAR ALL OF US SAYING THAT THE WALKER STUDY IS COMING SOON THE MASTER PLAN IS IN PROCESS, AND WE ARE ALL INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING A PARKING SOLUTION

AGGRESSIVELY, I THINK. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WITH THE BUSINESS AND ENTERTAINMENT OVERLAY, WE MADE THE COMMITMENT TO PROVIDE THE PARKING. SO THE CITY IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE. EVEN IF THE 3 P ISN'T IN THE WORKS WHICH I THINK IT WILL BE BECAUSE IT MAKES A WHOLE LOT OF

TENSE TO ME. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IT HAPPENS IN

OTHER CITIES. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AM SAYING THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS ANOTHER LOOK AT IT IS WE SPRAY TO TAKE IT ON OURSELVES. WHILE WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE CAN RFP AND TRY TO GET A PARTNER OUT THERE.

WE MAY LOOK AT IT AS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO TAKE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: TWO TRACKS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THAT PROCESS.

IT PUTS IT OUT THERE AND LET'S OTHER CREATIVE MINDS TO THE TABLE. REVENUE SHARING.

OUR PAID PARKING LOT. REMEMBER WE TALKED OF THAT TOO.

DOWNTOWN FOR PAID PARK GOING THERE IS ONE.

WE DISCUSSED THIS FOUR YEARS AGO.

COMMUNITY COMES IN TO TALK ABOUT IT.

NOW IS THE TIME TO ENGAGE THAT PROCESS.

A GOOD IDEA AND TALKED ABOUT FROM IS THIS DAIS.

I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CHOICE. IT IS ABOUT TIME.

KINGS LANDING IS GOING TO BE -- WELL, IT IS AN ACTIVATOR.

IT IS GOING TO SPUR OTHER ACTIVITIES ON PARCELS WE LEASE FOR GROUND PARKING OR SP UR MOVEMENT WITHIN PARCELS

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I WOULD RATHER BE IN FRONT OF IT AND HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION AGAINST THE COMMISSION AND MAKE A DECISION THE NEXT 20 YEARS

WHERE I AM GOING TO GO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I REMEMBER -- I WASN'T ON THE COMMISSION T THEN, BUT THIS GARAGE, THE DECISION TO BUILD IT HAD BEEN LOCATED IN -- NEAR THE WATER FRONT WHAT WE CALL THE OLD JC PENNY PARKING LOT.

I REMEMBER IN THE LAST MINUTE, IT GOT MOVED TO HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THE CRUMB BRINGS FOR

SURE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I REMEMBER THAT WAS -- AND -- AND THERE WERE -- AND DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A REAL GOOD REASON. THE BEST REASON I HEARD WHICH DIDN'T -- I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS A GOOD REASON IS BECAUSE THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSE WILL BE ACROSS THE WAY AND PARKING FOR THE FEDERAL COURTHOUSE. I THINK -- JUDGE MAINARD IS THE SOLO PERSON INSIDE THAT BUILDING, RIGHT.

AND ALSO JONNA, ARE YOU GOING TO BRING US SOME FINANCIAL PROJECTIONS FOR THE NEXT FPRA MEETING.

DIDN'T WE TALK ABOUT HA ABOUT THAT?

>> I AM GOING TO GIVE A THOROUGH REPORT WHERE WE ENDED AND STAND WITH FUND BALANCE AS WELL.

AND OUR AUDITORS WILL BE HERE. THE AUDIT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IT WOULD SEEM TO ME WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS WE THINK -- WE ARE PRETTY SURE WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A STRUCTURE.

IT HAPPENED STRUCTURE WILL BE BUILT SOME PLACE AND PROBABLY WILL TAKE CITY FUNDS AS WELL AS FPRA FUNDS AND MAYBE THE 3-P WITH THE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE STARTING AND WE ALL NEED TO BE UP TO SPEED WHEN WALKER COMES AND SAYS THIS IS WHERE WE THINK YOUR FUTURE PARKING.

AND ALSO THE PORT MASTER PLAN. ALL DECISION MAKING TIME IN

THIS NEXT YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ABSOLUTELY. THE NEXT MONTH.

>> JUST TO ADD, MAYOR. NOW IS A GOOD TIME BECAUSE WHEN YOU SEE FROM FPRA, A GOOD TIME. WHILE THERE WERE FUNDS AVAILABLE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL

LAST. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WILL BE BRINGING US TO WHAT THE DEBT IS.

THE DEBT THAT THE FPR A OWES THE CITY.

>> I ALMOST KNOW THAT BY HEART. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ANOTHER FACTOR TOO IS FISHERMAN'S WHARF IS COMING ON LINE. AND WE TALKED ABOUT UTILIZING THAT AND USING THAT WITH THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE USDA.

WHEREVER IT MIGHT BE AND NEED TO HAVE A COMPONENT OF THAT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: IF WE SILT BACK AND WAIT FOR IT TO COME TO US, IT

IS NOT GOING TO BE READY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. DO WE OWN THE PROPERTY OF THE BACK WITH THE MANATEE CENTER SITS?

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WHICH SIDE?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE EAST S SIDE, INDIAN RIVER DRIVE.

BECAUSE GABLES IS ON OUR PROPERTY.

BACCHU. >> WEST SIDE RELEASE.

I THINK THAT KINGS LANDING -- FOLKS ARE GOING TO START TALKING. THE CATALYST AND INVENTORY WE ACCOUNT FOR NOW THAT IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE

AND WE UTILIZE IT FOR RELEASE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GOING TO BE

GONE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: HAS THE POTENTIAL OF GOING AWAY.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WHEN WE DO THE INVENTORY IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY OWNS AND CONTROLS.

ALL CHIPS HAVE TO BE ON THE TABLE AND COULD THERE BE A VERTICAL STRUCTURE THERE AS WELL IN I KNOW PEOPLE MIGHT NOT WANT TO ENTERTAIN THAT BUT CITY OWNED, IT IS EASIER IN MY MIND TO NEGOTIATE THAT GOING FORWARD THE LOT BEHIND THE OLD JC PENNEY. EAST OF THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: BETWEEN COW'S LANDING AND -- TAKE THE SAME FOOTPRINT AND GO VERTICAL.

WE ARE NOT TAKING OFF WATERFRONT PROPERTY.

IT IS ALREADY USED AS A PARKING LOT.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT MAYBE. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: IN MY MIND PART OF THE EAST MANATEE SEVEN GABLES AREA, IF YOU WENT UP YOU COULD HAVE MORE OBSERVATION DECKS TO ENJOY THE WATER. WHEN I THINK OF STRUCTURES AND PARKING AND I HAVE BEEN TO THE RECENT AREA AND WEIRD PARKING STRUCTURES WITH BETTER VIEWS AND WATER VIEWS AND BETTER

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WE OPEN UP OPPORTUNITIES OF PEOPLE BEING VERTICAL STRUCTURE S THAT ARE GIVEN MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING IN PEOPLE TO ENJOY THE WATERFRONT. AMAZING WHEN YOU GET UP TWO, THREE STORIES THE VIEWS THAT UP AND CAN ENJOY THE WATER.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: PRETTIEST PART IN

DOWNTOWN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IN THE GARAGE

JERSZ. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MOST BEAUTIFUL VIEW IN DOWNTOWN.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I SEE THESE STRUCTURES AND ENCASED AND WRAPPED. P-3.

I WENT IN A GROCERY STORE THAT WAS IN A PARKING GARAGE AND A GREAT OPPORTUNITY DOWNTOWN MIAMI.

IT WAS REALLY NICE WRAPPED STRUCTURE AND DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IN YOU OPINION A GARAGE. IT PROVIDED SPACES AND DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT FROM THE STREET. AS WE EMBARK I AM PUTTING IT OUT FOR PUBLIC. THE LAST THING WE WANT IS PEOPLE SAY WE DON'T WANT A PARKING STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS ON THE WATER. WE HAVE TO FACE IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BETTER CLOSER TO THE RAILROAD TRACK.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT IS I DIDN'T ENGAGED THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY THINK IT WORKS.

THAT IS WHY THEY WANT TO DO IT WITH US IF THEY WANT TO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SO, ALL RI RIGHT.

WHAT -- WHAT ARE NEXT STEPS? INITIAL?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT ARE NEXT STEP.

I THINK COMMISSIONER PERONA IS RIGHT.

THE WALKER STUDY IS COMING. WE NEED THAT INFORMATION.

WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THAT -- WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A STRUCTURE AND WE KNOW WE HAVE TO PUT YOU IT SOME PLACE FROM THERE ON WE HAVE TO -- TO PLAN THE RFP AND PLAN THE TWO TRACKS WHETHER TO DO IT OURSELVES OR DO IT WITH A PARTNER.

I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW TO DO IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MY BULLET POINTS WERE THE FINANCIALS I WORKED FOR ON THE CITY AND FPRA SIDE.

TO DIRECT STAFF TO BEGIN THE RFP, RFQ PROCESS FOR THE LOOK.

AND JUST A DRAFT. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE P PINPOINT LOCATION BUT START THAT BACK GROUND LANGUAGE.

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.

LOOKING FORWARD TO PRIMP. AND GETTING FOLKS TO PARTNER WITH US. AS COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON AND COMMISSIONER PERONA TALKED ABOUT.

WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE DOW DOWNTOWN.

WHAT DOES A FOOTPRINT OF A STRUCTURE LOOK LIKE.

SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO EVEN ENTERTAIN.

IF IT IS 200 X 200, ARE THE PEAR SELL MAY NOT BE BIG EN ENOUGH. BUT 500 X00 MIGHT WORK.

LONG AND NARROW LIKE THIS ONE. MY POINTS OF DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GATHER AND START THAT INFORMATION WITH EXPEDE EN TEE,

TO BE HONEST. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THE PARKING COMMITTEE EVER DONE AN INVENTORY OF AVAILABLE LAND TO

YOUR KNOWLEDGE? >> YES, MAYOR.

I BELIEVE IT IS IN -- IN CONCERT WITH THE WALKER STUDY.

BUT WE HAVE -- WHEN WE ASKED THAT TO BE PART OF THE STUDY IS TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY EITHER LANDS THAT WE OWN OR PRIVATE LANDS THAT WE HAVE. IN FACT, WE ADDED A COUPLE AND GETTING CREATIVE WITH THIS IDEA AND KNOW WHATEVER OPPORTUNITIES AS FAR AS SOLUTION GOES. I JUST WROTE THAT DOWN.

WE NEED TO KNOW AS A COMMISSION AND KNOW THAT PARKING COMMITTEE HAS THAT. IT IS IMPORTANT TO ENGAGE THOSE FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE STEPPING WITH US.

IN FACTOR THIS AHEAD OF US RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE ALL THESE THINGS MO MOVING.

WE TRY -- THE MEETINGS GO OVER TWO HOURS EVERY TIME WE ARE UP, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT JUST GETS SO INTENSE WITH EVERYTHING MOVING FORWARD. IT IS GETTING TO BE A HIGH PRIORITY. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, COMMI COMMISSIONER, WE CAN'T WAIT AROUND FOR THIS.

OUR OPPORTUNITIES ARE HERE AND THEY ARE DWINDLING VERY QUI QUICKLY. BEFORE I BUILD OUT KINGS LANDING AND FISH EN'S WHARF. 37 THE MARINA IS REQUIRING MORE AND MORE PARKING. AND YOU ADD THAT TO THE MIX.

NOT A SOLUTION BUT THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE MOST OF THE ISSUES. I DON'T THINK WE WILL FIX

EVERYTHING. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: NO, WE WON'T, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET CUTE I -- I

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I AM NOT INTERESTED IN THE SMALLER BANDAID.

>> SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER PERONA BROUGHT UP.

DO WE HAVE ASSIGNEDED FOR THE SLIPS.

PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE AND PARKING SOMEWHERE AND AIM ASSUMING THEY GET A BOAT SLIP, THEY WOULD GET A PARKING SPACE.

ONE OR TWO. >> THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING.

>> 48 SPACES. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SO WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE BOATS COMING ON SHORE? THAT IS ANOTHER THING. WITH THAT INDUSTRY BUILT, THEY WILL COME THE BIGGER VESSELS AND WE ARE COMMITTING TO PARKING VESSELS PARKED ON THE WATER WITH THE PARKING SPACE.

WHERE ARE THEY CUR RENTEDLY PARKED AND WE ANTICIPATE IN THE

STUDY? >> THERE IS PART OF THAT AND ALSO ANOTHER COMPONENT WITH THAT BECAUSE A LOT OF BOATER ALSO PARK THEIR BOAT. AND PARK THEIR CAR AND THE BOAT IS HERE MARY MARE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME?

>> IT COULD BE THREE MONTHS. WE HAVE FOLKS THAT RENT SLIPS.

THEY GO TO THE BAHAMAS. THEY GO UP AUTHORITY.

THEY DO WHATEVER. I AM NOT INTO THE BOATING TH THING. BUT I KNOW THAT IN LISTENING TO DEAN KUBECHE K THAT IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE AND HAVING FOLKS PARK THEIR CARS AND MEETING -- LEAVING THE CARS THERE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF SOMETIME A VERY -- LARGE NECESSITY FOR PROPER,

YOU KNOW OPERATION. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I GUESS WHERE I AM GOING AND CURRENTLY IF THEY RENT A SLIP AND DO THEY GET A PARKING SPACE ASSIGNED TO THEM CURRENTLY?

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MY RECOLLECTION IS THEY HAVE AN ABILITY TO FIRST-COME FIRST-SERVE AT THE MARINA PARKING OR PURCHASE AND RENT A SPOT AT THAT FACILITY.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE NEED TO ANTICIPATE THAT BECAUSE WE SEE THAT INDUSTRY BLOSSOMING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IN ADDITION TO THE INVENTOR REEF PARCELS WHO OWN IT IS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE, WE NEEDED INVENTORY OF DEMAND. SO WE HAVE DEMAND FROM JURY.

DEMAND FROM MARINA. AND DEMAND FROM DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES SO WOULD YOU NEED BOTH NUMBERS, I WOULD THINK.

JOHN, ARE YOU GETTING THIS? >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: DO YOU HAVE THE SOLUTION, JOHN? IT IS GOING TO COST US A LOT OF

MONEY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: PIECE OF PROPERTY AND MONEY FOR BUILDING THE GARAGE AND WE CAN MOVE

TONIGHT NEXT TOPIC. >> YOU HAVE FINANCIALS AND INVENTORIES OF PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POTENTIAL AND KIND OF THE DEMAND. DO YOU HAVE THAT? ALSO YOU TALKED ABOUT MAYBE A DRAFT OF A RFP FOR P-3.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: BEGIN THAT PROCESS.

SOME GOOD DRAFT FOR MAT BUT INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL AND

WITH TO INCLUDE IN THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED FOR THE -- OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT US TO AND MAKING THAT MAKE A DECISION. WE CAN JUST AVOID THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER. UNTIL THE WALKER STUDY COMES.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THIS COMMISSION WILL BE TALKING

ABOUT THAT FOR EVER. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE DONE

[b. The Parks Advisory Committee have analyzed the issues reported at Jetty Park and have summarized their conclusion in the attached report. ]

THAT TOPIC. >> THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAS ANALYZED THE ISSUES AT JETTY PARK AND CONCLUDED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO STATE BEFORE YOU

BEGIN ON THIS? >> NO MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHO IS STARTING YOU OR MISS ADAIR.

>> SMAD DAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

I WILL START OFF AND PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE CHAIRPERSON.

AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU THE DETAILS ON WHAT THEY DID.

GET THIS PULLED UP REAL QUICK. OKAY.

THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS ASKED TO TAKE A LOOK AT JETTY PARK. I BELIEVE THAT SOME COMPLAINTS WERE RECEIVED ABOUT NOZ NOISE AND ACTIVITIES GOING ON THAT WERE UNFAVORABLE WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS AND THE PARKS

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I SHARED WITH THEM THE INFORMATION I WAS GIVEN.

WE TURNED IT OVER TO THEM AND THEY DID WHAT THEY DO SO WELL AND DOVE RIGHT IN AND DID A BUNCH OF HOMEWORK.

AND MISS AD A+ IR IS HERE TODAY TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT

DISCUSSION AND FINDING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WELCOME, MISS

ADAIR. >> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. WE APPROACH ALL OUR PROBLEM SOLVING THE SAME. FIRST TO UNDERSTAND THE PRO PROBLEM, AND OUR MEMO KIND OF YOU KNOW DETAILS THAT AS FAR AS THE NOISE GOES. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET TOO MUCH INFORMATION ON WHAT WAS CAUSED TAILGATING AND DID THE BEST WE COULD. AND WENT ON FROM THERE TO DO RESEARCH. WE LOOKED AT STATE LAWS WHICH, OF COURSE, IN A RECENT COURT CASE, MADE JURISDICTIONS MORE HESITANT TO -- TO MAINTAIN A LAW OR ENFORCE A LAW OF PLAYING MUSIC AND VEHICLES WHEN THEY WERE MOVING.

WE DO HAVE CITY ORDINANCE 28 28-31, PROHIBITING ACTIVITIES INCLUDE IN THE PARK. ALL A PARK'S ORDINANCE AND INCLUDES AUDIBLE NOISE OF A DISTANCE OF MORE THAN 100 FEET.

THAT IS PRETTY CLEAR AND EASY. WE HAVE, I THINK -- I LIVE A MILE AWAY. AND WE -- WE ARE ABLE TO HEAR THE BOOM-BOOM. THE BASE NOISE OVER OUR TV AT NIGHT WITH WINDOWS CLOSED SOMETIMES.

I THINK THAT WELL EXCEEDS THAT. THIS ORDINANCE REQUIRES A WARNING BEFORE ISSUING A TICKET OF ANY SORT WHICH IS CERTAINLY FAIR. THE SAME ONE IS CLEARLY ADDRESSES THE GRILLING IN THE PARK.

YOU CAN ONLY USE PROVIDED GR GRILLS AND PROHIBITS ALCOHOL WHICH IS PRETTY CLEAR IN PARKS. THE NEXT I THINK I DID WAS GO TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY DO AND PARTICULARLY ASKED TO LOOK AT JURISDICTIONS WITH PARKS CLOSE TO COMMERCIAL AND OR PERFORMANCES, YOU KNOW, LIKE MIAMI-DADE ACTUALLY HAS SOME PAVILIONS WHERE BANDS PLAY SOMETIME WITHIN THE PARK. WE DID CHOOSE MIAMI-DADE BECAUSE THEY SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THESE ISSUES OF FT.

LAUDERDALE PUNTA GORDA, JACKSONVILLE BEACH AND CLEARWATER HAD ORDINANCES THAT WE CAN DRAW FROM.

IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND UNDER THAT CRITERIA ADDITIONAL ONES THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSED THIS WITHIN THE PARKS.

WITH THAT, IT GAVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THEY HAVE SIMILAR ORDINANCES TO OUR PARKS ORDINANCE AND ENFORCE THOSE WITHIN THE PARKS AND COMMUNICATE THOSE OFFERINGS CLEARLY. WE ALSO ASKED FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT, DEPUTY CHIEF CAME TO ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WELL PREPARED WITH ALL OF THE DATA AND PICKED TWO SIX-MONTH PERIODS. LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR BEFORE.

THERE WAECHBILITY A GREAT INCREASE WITHIN THOSE TWO YE YEARS. OF COURSE, WE HAD OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THOSE TWO YEARS BUT A BOTTOM LINE A DISTURBANCE RECOGNIZED EVERY WEEK. AND EVEN DEPUTY CHIEF SAID IF I LIVE CLOSE BY, THAT WILL BE TOO MUCH.

THERE IS ABOUT -- EXCUSE ME MORE CAUSE THAN THAT PER WEEK, FOUR TIMES, FIVE TIMES THE NUMBER OF CALLS FROM RESIDENTS.

MAYBE THERE WERE MULTIPLE CALLS FOR ONE DISTURBANCE.

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW THAT. HE DID VERIFY HE WAS GOING -- SOMETHING GOING ON THERE. THE BOTTOM LINE.

STORED ALL THAT DATA AND BR BRAINSTORMED POSSIBLE SOLUTION WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO.

THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE LISTED THESE POSSIBLE SOLU SOLUTIONS. AND I SUPPOSE THEY ARE SOMEWHAT IN ORDER OF HOW OUR BRAIN ST STORMING WENT JUST TO PRESENT TO YOU. SIGNS NOT THE USUAL LIST OF RULES BUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAT PEOPLE WILL NOTICE AND

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THE COOKING AND ALCOHOL MAYBE RE-EMPHASIZE THAT.

AND TO LIST THE SIGN HAD THE LIGHTED SIGN AND LISTED A FINE FOR NOT DOING THE NO-WAKE ZONE THAT THE CITY HAS IMPLEMENTED SO WELL AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. SO WE THINK THAT WHAT OFFICERS ARE TELLING US IS IT REALLY HELPS TO HAVE A SIGN TO POINT TO WHEN THEY ARE EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT AN ORDINANCE.

THERE IS THAT. PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, PEOPLE DON'T READ SIGNS. THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT AT LEAST IT HELPS THE OFFICERS WITH THE ENFORCEMENT AND NOTHING ELSE.

EDUCATE THE OFFICERS ON THE PARKS ORDINANCE BECAUSE DIFFERENT THAN THE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE.

IF YOU CAN HEAR IT, WE MAYBE NEED A CHAT.

THEY REQUEST JETTY PARK DRIVE-THRUS AND WE APPRECIATE THE MINI DRIVE-THRUS AND WALK-THROUGHS, 2500 SELF-INITIATED WALK-S THROUGH AT JETTY PARK DURING THE S SIX-MONTH PERIOD AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND THE LAST ONE THAT WAS MENTIONED, SHOULD WE CLOSE THE PARK DOES TOCK DAWN LIKE THE OTHERS.

OUR COMMITTEE IS OF THE OPINION THIS WOULD BE A PROBLEM.

A BIG PROBLEM LEFT OPEN FOR THE FISHERMEN WHO LIKE FISH AT NIGHT. SO WE ARE JUST THINKING THAT CLOSING THE PARKING LOT WOULD JUST MOVE THE ISSUE TO ONE OF THE OTHER LOTS IN THE AREA AND MIGHT NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

THAT IS OUR OPINION AND WE ARE COMMUNICATING THAT TO YOU.

THOSE ARE OUR FINDINGS. AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS

AY QUESTIONS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS

OF THE COMMITTEE? >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR. I WILL START OFF, I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE IS, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. I REMEMBERED THIS WHEN I SAW THE AGENDA ITEM. SO WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION OF THE 100 -- 100 FEET AT ALL? HERE IS WHAT I AM REFERENCING.

TALKED ABOUT IN A PARK, RIGHT. HERE WE HAVE A PARK THAT HAS A PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, AND SO THIS IS WHERE THE ISSUE IS BEING CREATED FROM THE CALLS I RECEIVED.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMITTEE FOR LOOKING AT THIS, BUT ANY OTHER DISCUSSION -- ANY OTHER LANGUAGE WITHIN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS IN FINER DETAIL, 100 FEET OR JUST 100

FEET. >> SAYS 13E SPECIFICALLY, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, PLAY OR OPERATE ANY RADIO, SOUND-EMITTING DEVICE THAT THE SOUND PRODUCED IS AUDIBLE IN

100 FEET. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: PRETTY CLEAR -- PHONE CALLS AND -- I HAD PHONE CALLS FROM FOUR BUSINESSES, SPECIFICALLY AT JETTY PARK AND ABOUT TEN RESIDENTS. AND MY OWN OBSERVATIONS AND -- I WILL JUST TUESDAY AS THAT, MY OWN OBSERVATION.

WHEN SITTING OUTSIDE TO DINE OR TO GO TO PICK UP SOMETHING ON THE GO, VEHICLES ARE COMING TO THE PARK.

THEY YOU IN THE A STEREO SYSTEM IN THE BACK OF THE PICKUP TRUCK WITH LITERALLY EIGHT TO TEN SPEAKERS.

I AM A MUSICIAN. AND I LOVE MUSIC.

I LISTEN TO MUSIC VERY LOUD. BUT PUT EIGHT TO TEN SPEAKERS AND SIT IN THE PARKING LOT AND TURN THE VOLUME UP.

SO IT CREATES A FEW ISSUES. SO, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE FRIENDS THAT COME AND JOIN, NOT WITH MORE SPEAKERS BUT THEY COME AND LISTEN TO THAT MUSIC WITH THE TRUCK AND MAYBE THREE OR FOUR TRUCKS THAT HAVE THE SAME SET-UP.

I AM NOT PICKING ON PICKUP TRUCK BECAUSE I OWN A PICKUP TRUCK AND WHAT I WITNESSED AND OBSERVED AND SPURRING THIS ENTIRE CONVERSATION FOR ME AND FOLKS AND I AGREE THAT FOLKS COME TO FISH. THE BEST FISH IS AT NIGHTTIME BECAUSE OF THE TIDE, MOON OR WHATEVER IS HAPPENING.

GREAT FISH CAN BE HARVESTED AT THAT TIME.

THAT IS A FEDERAL PROPERTY AND THE COUNTY HAS A LITTLE SPUR, BUT OUR PARK IS A PARKING LOT WITH SOME PA I WILL HAVE I I DON'T KNOWS. WISH GOOD PAVILIONS.

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THANK YOU FOR READING THAT. I WASN'T CLEAR HOW THE 100 FOOT WAS INTERPRETED. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS IT BUT ENFORCEMENT. IT SOUNDS LIKE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN JETTY PARK AT NIGHT, BUT I KNOW IS IN THE MORNINGS. I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS THE NIGHT BEFORE BECAUSE I HAVE MY BU BUCKET.

NO ALCOHOL IN THE PARK. THAT IS NEWS TO A LOT OF PE PEOPLE. AND ONE THING THAT I AM REMINDED OF WHEN WE TALKED DO WE HAVE THE PARKING -- WHEN WE HAD THE PARKING WORKSHOP. MR. WADE TOLD US ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS HAPPENING ON OUR BEACH PARKS THEY ARE BEING POPULATED BY PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LIVE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

A LOT OF THEM. I AM SURE THAT IS INCH JETTY PARK AND OTHER BEACHES TOO, THE DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY. A LOT -- I DON'T KNOW THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SETTING UP IN JETTY PARK WITH THEIR SPEECHERS ARE ST. LUSZY COUNTY PEOPLE. I HAVE NO WAY OF -- ST. LUCY PEOPLE. I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING.

AND XLAINTSD FROM PEOPLE ACROSS THE WAY BUT THE ONES ALONG THE WAY. BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD IT IN A WHILE. I HAVEN'T HEARD THE COMPLAINTS FOR A WHILE AND JUST LIKE JC PARK.

A LOT GOES ON AT JETTY PARK. WE ARE ACCOMMODATING THE FISHERMEN. 24-7 -- NOT JUST AT NIGHT 24-7.

I SEE THEM EARLY IN THE MORNING.

I SEE THEM. AND THEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY SITTING IN THE SWINGS ENJOYING THE INLET.

I HAVE PEOPLE ARE IN THE GA GAZEBOS.

SOMETIMES THEY ARE -- THEY ARE SLEEPING ON THOSE BENCHES BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FROM THE NIGHT BEFORE.

AND SO, I MEAN, IT IS A HEAVILY USED PARK.

HEAVILY USED IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN JC PARK.

HEAVILY USED AND NO DAWN-TO-DUSK AT JETTY PARK.

I BELIEVE IT IS BUSY 24-7. SO ONE SOLUTION IN THE FUTURE MIGHT BE PAID PARKING IN JETTY PARK AND PERMITS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. ONE SOLUTION MIGHT BE IF WE ARE GOING TO INITIATE PAID PARKING IN THE CITY, WE MIGHT START WITH THE BEACH. AND MAY START WITH THE BUSIEST PARKS AND GIVE PERMITS TO OUR RESIDENTS.

AND THAT WOULD REDUCE THE INCOMING PEOPLE OTHER PARTS OF FLORIDA THAT ARE COMING TO ENJOY THE BEACHES BECAUSE IT IS STREET PARKING AND -- AND ACCORDING TO THEM AMPLE PARKING. WE HAVE A BUILT-IN PROBLEM WITH THE ENTERTAINMENT AREAS ACROSS THE WAY FROM JETTY PARK BECAUSE PEOPLE POUR OUT OF THERE AND POUR INTO THE PARK AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE WHOLE SMOKING ISSUE THINK THAT BROUGHT UP BEFORE. SMOKING IN JETTY PARK IS QUITE PREVALENT BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ENJOY ADULT BEVERAGES LATE AT NIGHT ALSO ENJOY SMOKING.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT INTO THE MIX AS PART OF THE PROBLEM AT JETTY PARK. WHAT I AM DOING IS NOT ADDING ANY SOLUTIONS BUT ADDING PROBLEMS.

COMMISSIONER%. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT COMPETING USES AT OUR PARKS.

TO GOES TO THE PARK PLAYING MUSIC SITTING BACK AND WATCHING THE BOATS COME IN WITH S A WAY TO ENJOY THE PARKS.

WE WOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

BUT WHEN IT INTERRUPTS SOMEONE ELSE'S USE OF THE PARK WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.

JUST SEEMS LIKE FOR RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY VIS VISITORS AND PEOPLE OUTDOORS, WE HAVE ALL THESE COMPETING USES AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO THIS AND HAVE THEIR OWN PARK IN THEIR OWN WAY. I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TO BE

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I KNOW THAT -- ON A PLAYGROUND PROJECT AT JC PARK.

WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT THAT MAY BRING WI-FI THERE AND LILY PUT SECURITY IN THAT PARK TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE NOT GETTING OUT OF HAND AND THAT FOLKS ARE USING THE PARK IN THE WAY THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN.

I AM NOT SAYING I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR A IT, BUT I AM SAYING THAT MAY BE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION AS WE GO FORWARD ESPECIALLY IF THOSE TWO PARKS COME UP THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND HAVING THAT IS TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT ISSUE RIGHT AWAY AND TO BE ABLE TO GET IT SHUT DOWN BY LAW ENFORCEMENT WHO ACTUALLY TAKE THOSE ORDINANCES THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE ENFORCED. SO --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WHEN I READ THIS -- LET ME BE CLEAR. THIS ALL STARTED AND TRIGGERED BY NOISE, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY.

SOMETHING EMITTING FROM SOME PERSON'S CAR, TRUCK, ETC.

DISRUPTING EITHER THE BUSINESSES OR I. E.

THE HOMES IN PROXIMITY OF JETTY PARK.

>> YES, THAT IS MY UNDE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS

STEMS FROM. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO -- TIME IN AGREEMENT PART OF WHAT COMMISSIONER PERONA IS SAYING. WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOO RESTRICTIVE. THIS ISSUE OF EMITTING THE SOUND, NOISE, COMING FROM VEHICLES IS NOT JUST IN JETTY PARK. OKAY.

I AM ON RECORD AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. MIMS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT THIS TRAVERSING OUR CITY AND COUNTY IN CARS. AND SO NOT ONLY IS IT JETTY PARK, THE ELLIS REGIONAL PARK. THE RECREATIONAL AVENUE M.

.T IT IS ON THE CORNER OF 21ST -- 25TH AND AVENUE N. AND SO THAT IS AN OFFICIAL P PARK. I THINK WHAT WE -- I RESEARCHED AND I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE THAT IS THERE.

I CAN TELL YOU WE ARE IN THE GRAY LINE OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH LAW. THE ENFORCEMENT OF LAW.

AND THEN ALSO THE RIGHTS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THESE DEVICES AND THEY KNOW THE LAW MORE SO THAN SOME OF OUR LAW PEOPLE WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT TELL THEM TO DO AND ENFORCE WE ARE IN AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS WITHIN THE CITY AND I AGREE THE PARKS IN OUR CITY. HIT THIS MORNING 2:10 ON THE CORNER OF MY HOUSE AND IT WOKE ME UP.

THIS IS 2:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN EVERYTHING IS QUIET.

SO I -- WHILE I SAY THAT TO SAY THAT I HAVE PEOPLE THEE AND I UNDERSTAND THIS, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, AS PO POLICYMAKERS, HOW WE HELP AND SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT OF THIS.

I CAN TELL YOU BASED ON THE 1 100-FOOT RADIUS AND THE MEASUREMENT OF THE VIBRATION. IT GETS VERY TECHNICAL AND AT SOME POINT IT IS NOT EVEN THERE AND THEN ALSO THE RESOURCES OF HOW DO WE ACTUALLY ENFORCE T THIS.

A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING AT ONCE AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING TO DISTRESS AND GO OUT AND PLAY MUSIC AND SMOKE ALL KIND OF THINGS AND DRINK KIND OF THINGS.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: LISTEN TO ALL KINDS OF STUFF.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I HEAR YOU AND I AM -- BUT WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR POLICY AND SEE HOW DO WE SUPPORT THOSE WHO CAN ENFORCE THE POLICY ON THE BOOK. WE HAVE A QUIET ZONE ON OUR ORDINANCE. GOES 11 TO 7 AND SUPPOSED TO BE A CERTAIN DECIBEL LEVEL AT A CERTAIN POINT BETWEEN THOSE HOURS AND IF ANYTHING, WE HAVE TO START THERE TO REALLY TRY TO ENFORCE THAT. I DON'T KNOW THE HOURS OF THIS DISRUPTION NOW. I AM ASSUMING EVEN EARLIER THAN 11 ON SOME OF THE BUSINESSES THAT THIS NOISE IS BEING

EMITTED AT JETTY PARK. >> MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT

HAPPENS ALL HOURS. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

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SIDES AND ALL TIMES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: DIFFERENT FOR

A MOVING VEHICLE, I THINK. >> THAT IS WHERE THE STATE LAW CAME IN AND THE CONCERN BECAUSE THAT LAW IS CHALLENGED IN CO

COURT. >> THEY ARE SAYING THEY KNOW

THEIR RIGHTS. >> AND YOU ARE RIGHT.

SOME -- SOME ARE MOVING AND SOME ARE MOVING SO SLOW IT IS LIKE THEY ARE PARKED. BUT WHEN THEY DO PARK NEXT TO BUSINESSES AND HOMES AND RESIDENTS, YOU FEEL THE VIBRATION, RIGHT. YOU ARE NOW PART OF THEIR WORLD AND YOU DON'T ELECT TO DO THAT AND YOUR RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED. TIME IN AGREEMENT THIS WILL REQUIRE MORE AND WORK OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THIS IS A PROBLEM THROUGHOUT OUR CITY AND IT IS A MAJOR ISSUE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ALREADY CHALLENGED ON ENFORCEMENT AND TRAFFIC AND CHALLENGING US WITH THE SPEEDING THE CITY AND WHY DON'T WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR MORE ENFORCEMENT IN -- AND I -- DID YOU GET FROM DEPUTY CHEAP RIDDEL HOW MUCH ENFORCEMENT THEY CAN DO? ANY SENSE OF DOING MORE OR RECOMMENDATION?

>> MADAM MAYOR, HE JUST REPORTED ON DISTURBANCES AND CALLS. WE WERE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE ISSUE. AND FURTHER DEFINE IT.

WE DIDN'T REALLY ASK HIM SO MUCH ABOUT SOLUTIONS.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? >> COMMISSIONERS, THIS WHOLE TOPIC WAS -- WAS -- TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, CHALLENGING FOR THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, IT WAS DISCUSSED.

NOT JUST JETTY PARK. JETTY PARK SPURRED THE CONVERSATION, BUT IT WAS CITY WIDE.

AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY CAME UP WITH SUGGESTION AS FAR AS SGNAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT; HOWEVER, FROM THE FIRST MEETING TO THE LAST MEETING, IT CENTERED AROUND ENFORCEMENT AND HOW DO WE DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS TRYING TIMES FOR EVERYBODY JETTY PARK IS AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL LOCATION. FOLKS FINANCIALLY ARE STRUGGLING AND WHO WOULDN'T WANT TO GO OUT FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT AND SIT IN YOUR CAR AND LISTEN TO LIVE PERFORMANCES FROM ANY OF THE VENUES OUT THERE.

ALWAYS FEW THAT SPOIL IT FOR THE BUNCH AND I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A GATHERING OF 20, 30 CARS DOING THIS.

ONE, TWO, MAYBE THREE CREATING A DISTURBANCE AND CAUSING A PROBLEM. THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE SPENT A GOOD DEAL OF TIME CONVERSING ABOUT THIS, LOOKING INTO, AS THEY SAID, SIMILAR CHALLENGE WITH PARKING AND BUSINESS. AND IT WAS A TOUGH ONE.

REALLY, REALLY WAS. BUT BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THEIR FINDINGS. AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE IN ANY DIRECTION YOU WISH TO GO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE CREATIVE SIGNAGE.

IT SAYS NO DOGS. NO ALCOHOL.

IT IS ALL DON'T THIS. DON'T DO THAT.

DON'T DO THIS. RIGHT.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF BY THE CREATIVE SIGNS, YOU MEAN CUTE OR SOMETHING THAT DRAWS ATTENTION TO IT WITHOUT IT BEING SO PUNITIVE. WHAT YOU MEANT BY CREATIVE SIGN

AGES, DO YOU KNOW? >> I THINK TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ENJOYING THE PARK.

BECAUSE THEY COME OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE KNOW, THE PARK SIGNS.

THEY DON'T SEE THEM ANYMORE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I CAN SEE THAT. I DON'T SEE THEM ANYMORE.

>> AS FAR AS WE GOT ON THOSE, MADAM MAYOR.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MAYOR, IF I CAN ADD.

COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON, YOU ARE RIGHT.

THE LEGISLATURE GOING THROUGH THAT, '80S AND '90S ABOUT CAR SOUND SYSTEMS AND GOT INTENS WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS PULLING YOU OVER BECAUSE THEY COULD HEAR YOU AT THE STOP LIGHT, RIGHT. AND I WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE FOLKS. AND, AGAIN, I LIKE LOUD MUSIC.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: SO MY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THIS IS DID THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE LOOK AT WHAT PARKS -- WHAT PARKS WE ARE TRULY CLOSING AND HERE IS MY POINT.

IF YOU TRULY CLOSE PARKS, THEN -- AND IF FOLKS WANT T SIT IN THE PARKS AND ENJOY THEM AFTER HOURS, LET'S CALL IT.

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SOMETHING THAT IS OLD AND WE DRIFTED AWAY FROM BECAUSE INTENSE WITH LABOR AND WE HAVE TO PAY FOR FOLKS TO CLOSE A

PARK. >> MAYOR HUDSON: LIKE PINEWOOD

PARK. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: USED TO BE GATES ON PARKS AND WE WOULD CLOSE THEM

DOWN. >> TO OWN YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, WE ARE NOT PHYSICALLY CLOSING ANY PARKS. THE PARK REST ROOMS ARE CLOSED AT NIGHT. AND THEY ARE SHUT DOWN.

IN THEORY IF IT IS DARK, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE PARK. WE HAVE NO GATES.

WE ARE NOT PHYSICALLY BLOCKING FOLKS OUT OF THE PARKS.

BUT JETTY PARK IS THE ONLY PARK WE SAY IS OPEN 24-7, UNOF

UNOFFICIALLY. >> UNOFFICIALLY.

>> YES, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE ARE ON THE TRACK.

AT SOME POINT IT IS AN ENGAGEMENT.

A CIVIC ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO BEGIN TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, I THINK. A CERTAIN DEGREE OF ENTERTAINING AND ENJOYING YOURSELF AND A POINT WHERE IT IS INTRUDING UPON EVERYTHING ELSE.

AT SOME POINT, IT HAS TO BE A CONVERSATION MORE SO THAN PUNITIVE. IN SOME CASES DONE THE RATE W WAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL BEGIN TO -- TO ADHERE TO AND UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO GO, RIGHT.

AND YOU TALK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND LISTEN TO THEM.

HOW THE MESSAGE IS BEING MADE THAT YOU CAN GET A BREAK FROM THAT AND WILL BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND AND I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE TO STRIKE THIS BALANCE.

THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY PARKED IN THEIR CAR THERE ARE THIS AREA OF JETTY PARK AND THEIR MUSIC IS JUST BLASTING, BLAST ARE, BLASTING. HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT I AM NOT DOING LAW ENFORCEMENT'S JOB AND SOME TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT TO SAY AT SOME POINT, IT INTRUDES BEYOND YOUR PERSONAL SATISFACTION OF YOUR MUSIC. NOW IT IS INTRUDING ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S RIGHTS AS W WELL.

AND THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT IF IT IS IN THAT AREA OF A PARK LIKE THAT OR CONGREGATED -- IF A LOTTED SOMEWHERE OR A CORNER SOMEWHERE, WE HAVE TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT HOW WE ENGAGE OUR CITIZENS TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, GET THIS MESSAGE ACROSS THAT YES FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT AND WHY SHOULD THAT INTRUDE ON EVERYBODY ELSE NOT LIVING THEIR LIFE AND BEING BOTHERED.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT REALLY LOOKS LIKE YET, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. I THINK WE -- WE ADMIT UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF ONE FORT PI PIERCE.

IT IS ALL OVER FORT PIERCE. IT IS EVERYWHERE.

PEOPLE ARE GATHERING IN ALL KIND OF PLACES AND PARKS THROUGHOUT OUR CITY. NOT JUST JETTY, IT IS EVERYWHERE. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT,

COMMISSION, TO SEE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAVE DONE A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF CONTROLLING THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR AT J. C. PARK, HAVEN'T WE? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM IN A WHILE.

>> MY OPINION IS THAT YOU HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB AND THINGS

ARE UNDER CONTROL. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT -- I AM ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS.

AND SO WHAT WE DID AT J. C. PARK IS WE DID ENFORCE -- WE HAVE ENFORCED THE DAWN TO DUSK IN JC PARK.

>> IT IS DAWN TO DUSK. IF WE WERE HAVING ISSUES WE WOULD BE GETTING PHONE CALLS FOR SURE.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS IN JC PARKS AND THINGS RECOMMENDED BY THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT THE BIGGEST THING IS THE

WEEKEND ENFORCEMENT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: CODE ENF

ENFORCEMENT. >> HAVING TO BE GO AROUND HAVE THAT ENGAGEMENT WHEN IT HAPPENS.

A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE COME IN AND TURN THAT MUSIC UP AND THEY KNOW IN A MATTER OF MINUTES, SOMEBODY WILL BE THERE.

SO THEY MOVE ON. WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT ARRIVES, THEY -- THE -- YOU CONTINUES BEEN A IS MOVED ON.

THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE WITH -- WITH JC RIGHT NOW.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT. RIGHT.

WHAT I AM THINKING IS. PERHAPS THE -- THESE RECOMMENDATIONS NEED TO BE -- WE NEED TO HEAR FROM CODE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ABOUT WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: AND CHALLENGES AND

EXPERIENCES. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: HOW WE MAY SUPPORT, IF WE CAN. I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. MAIRDZ MARY HEARD IT THROUGH

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NOW WE LIKE TO HAVE THEIR MAYBE -- SOLUTIONS.

NOT ONLY FOR JETTY PARK BUT FOR IN GENERAL THAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO. BECAUSE I KNOW I HEAR CITIZENS COMPLAIN TO ME ABOUT THE LOUD NOISE AND THE REVERBERATIONS OF PEOPLE ARE DRIVING. AND MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH, BECAUSE THAT IS A FREE SPEECH ISSUE OF SOME SORT. I MEAN, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING

THAT -- BUT MAYBE I AM WRONG. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YOU ARE RIGHT. MAYOR, WE GET IT RIGHT HERE.

THE CALLS -- IT IS RIGHT HERE. WE FEEL IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: STOPPED AT THE LIGHT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: EXACTLY. SO I THINK WE NEED TO -- MAYBE SOME MORE OF OUR STAFF INPUT IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND WHAT IS DOABLE AND WHAT MIGHT WORK IN OTHER AREAS AND I THINK CODE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE THE TWO MAIN ONES BUT THERE MAY BE -- MAY BE PARKS AND GROUNDS, I DON'T

KNOW. >> MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. PEGGY IN THE AUDIENCE AND OFFICER SPOTS WHO IS ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY RESPONSE OFFICERS.

SO INTERNALLY, WE CAN GATHER AND HAVE CONVERSATION.

AND TOO SOON. PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETS THIS WEEK, BUT BY THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN COME WITH INFORMATION TO GIVE TO THEM AND WOULD YOU LIKE US TO COME BACK TO YOU IN ANOTHER CONFERENCE AGENDA IN THE FUTURE WITH GREATER DETAIL AND TAKE FROM THAT MEETING IF ANYTHING WE CAN IMPLEMENT, TO GO AHEAD TO DO SO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK I WOULD.

BUT I THINK I WOULD -- THE NEXT TIME OF THE PRESENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HEAR FROM CODE TOO -- DO YOU AGREE? AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE THAT IS PART OF THE EQUATION. AND BEYOND JETTY PARK IN GENERAL AND GENERAL AND GATHERING PLACES WITHIN THE

CITY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: TO KEEP IT LIGHTHEARTED, I CAN TELL YOU I HAVE SEEN VERY LARGE MOTO MOTORCYCLES THAT CAN GIVE MY TRUCK A RUN FOR ITS MONEY. NOT THE SOUND OF THE MOTO MOTORCYCLE, BUT I AM TALKING THE SOUND SYSTEM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE MUSIC -- BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY HAS REALLY

ADVANCED. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE GOOD FRIENDS THAT DO SUCH THINGS. I DO NOT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BOATS DO IT TOO.

BOATS GOING FROM THE INLET AND HEAR THE MUSIC SYSTEM.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE -- ARE YOU CLEAR. ARE YOU CLEAR WHAT THE MISSION IS LOOKING FOR? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE SOLVED ANY TIME SOON.

WE -- WE WANT TO REALLY -- AT LEAST I WANT TO PROTECT THE -- THE PEOPLE THAT IT USES THE PARKS APPROPRIATELY AND WANT TO USE THEM. I DON'T WANT TO PUNISH THEM BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH OTHERS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

>> THANK YOU. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THAWING FOR TAKING -- TACKLINGS THIS AS USUAL.

WE APPRECIATE IT AND YOU DID A GOOD JOB AND YOU ARE THOROUGH.

[c. The Parks Advisory Committee have analyzed the request for the sponsorships of public facilities throughout the City of Fort Pierce. Attached for your review, is the draft guidelines for the sponsorship of naming public facilites. ]

SHALL WE MOVE ON? >> THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM WHICH IS THE DRAFT GUIDELINES FOR THE SPONSORSHIP OF NAMING OF PUBLIC

FACILITIES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY.

WHO IS GOING TO START THIS? >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMIS COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE BACK AGAIN.

THIS CONVERSATION ORIGINALLY I BELIEVE SPURRED FROM THE RECENT NAMING OF THE MEZZANINE SUNRISE THEATRE.

RAISES THE POSSIBILITY TO DO THIS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE AREA AND OUR PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE DOVE HEAD FIRST AND THE CHAIR IS HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GLAD THEY DID THEIR HOMEWORK.

>> WE ARE KNOWN AS THE RESEARCH ARM, RIGHT?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT. >> BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DRAFT PROCEDURES, I WILL QUICKLY OUTLINE WHAT HAPPENED.

WE WERE ASSIGNED THE PROJECT RIGHT IN OCTOBER DECIDED TO DO OUR RESEARCH BY PICKING OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WAS ALREADY SELLING SPONSORSHIPS. WE FOUND THAT MIAMI BEACH, CORAL GABLES AND PARTICULARLY PINELLAS COUNTY OVER IN THE TAMPA AREA, I BELIEVE, HAD A LOT OF GREAT INFORMATION.

WE ALSO CONTACTED INDIAN RIVER, MARTIN COUNTY, ST. LUCIE COUNTY, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WENT BACK TO THE SUNSHINE LAW JUST TO BE SURE THERE WASN'T SOMETHING THERE THAT ALSO NEEDED TO ENTER INTO THIS PROCESS.

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HAS BEEN USING IT FOR A WHILE NOW BECAUSE SPONSORSHIP IS QUITE DIFFERENT THAN NAMING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, FOR THE UNFORESEEABLE FUTURE IN TERMS OF -- WE COLLECT MONEY AND DO IT FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME AND WE GET MORE THAT THAT.

DRAFTED A SEPARATE PROCESS. AND DID THAT IN MUCH DETAIL AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE WORDS IN THIS ARE TAKEN FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS.

AND WE TOOK DIFFERENT PARTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS FROM EACH OF THESE, PARTICULARLY THE THREE, MIAMI BEACH, CORAL GABLES AND PINELLAS COUNTY HAD THE MOST COMPLETE PROS AND PRESENTING THE DRAFT THAT WE HAVE TODAY. YOU HAVE THE FULL DRAFT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT I DECIDED TO SHORT TON A LITTLE BIT AND PUT ON SLIDES. FEEL FREE TO ASK QUESTIONS ON THAT. THE PURPOSE OF THE GUIDELINES SYSTEM MATTEDIC AND CONSISTENT APPROACH OF THE SPONSORSHIP OF THE NAMING OF PUBLIC FACILITIES IN FORT PIERCE INCLUDING AN ENTERPRISE FUND FACILITY. THAT MEANS A FEE IS CHARGED.

THAT WILL BE LIKE SUNRISE THEATRE, A GOLF COURSE.

PARK OBJECT LOCATION, PROGRAM AND EVENT.

NOW I HAVE TO SAY THAT WE -- WE HAD SOME TREPIDATION FROM SOME OF OUR MEMBERS ABOUT INCLUDING PARK IN THAT.

AND WE DECIDED TO LEAVE IT BROAD BRUSH BECAUSE YOU ARE THE DECISION-MAKERS ANYWAY, SO JUST TO POINT THAT ONE THING OUT THE DISTINCTIVE CHARACTERISTICS, PUBLIC SERVICE AND INCREASE MARKET SHARE. A BUSINESS DEAL WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN NAMING SOMETHING FOR SOMEONE WHO MAY HAVE PROVIDED SERVICE AND WE WILL NAME IT THAT FOREVER.

WE PICKED A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS AND MAXIMUM OF 20 YEARS THAT IS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF ALL THESE WE REVIEWED, BUT ALL OF THEM WERE DIFFERENT. BUT WE THOUGHT FIVE TO 20 WAS PROBABLY REASONABLE. AGAIN, UP TO YOU.

SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY, OF COURSE, A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR A SPECIFIC LENGTH OF TIME.

CAN WE ATTACH TO A TRADITIONAL NAME OR REPLACE THE TRADITIONAL ONE. MAYOR LINDA HUDSON SUNRISE THEATRE OR JUST NAME IT, YOU KNOW, THE P. D. BANK THEATRE -- TD BANK THEATRE. DONATE RIGHTS TO AND IA APPROVED ORGANIZATION AND, OF COURSE, THEY GO THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS AS WELL. SEPARATELY SPONSORED EACH WITH A DIFFERENT NAME. AND THAT IS WHAT REALLY PROMPTED THIS WHOLE EFFORT WAS THE SUNRISE THEATRE WANTED TO NAME THE MEZZANINE. THAT IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.

ANOTHER PRIVATE OPTION IS THE BACCHUS MUSEUM.

THEY ARE DOING A MAJOR EFFORT IF YOU WALK THROUGH THERE LATELY, NAMING THEIR DIFFERENT ROOMS AND CHARGING FOR THAT.

A NUMBER OF OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT.

>> OBJECT JECK TIFFS. YOU CAN FOOL THE SAME NAMING FOR MAT. CONSISTENT WITH THE VALUES AND CHARACTER OF THE CITY. ENCOURAGE PUBLIC INPUT OPPORTUNITIES. THAT WAS ANOTHER AREA THAT WAS VERY DIFFERENT WITHIN THE THREE.

AND WE TRIED TO BLEND THOSE TO FIT OUR NEEDS.

OPTIMIZE NONTAX REVENUE. OBVIOUSLY THIS IS THE SPO SONSORSHIP THEY PAY FOR OUTSIDE OF US TAXPAYERS.

CITY STAFF MAY SOLICIT SPO SPONSORSHIP.

PAY IN FULL PRIOR TO THE AGREEMENT.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING NO, LET'S FROM A PAY PLAN PAYMENT PLAN.

PAY IS IN FULL. COUNTY HAS THE FULL RIGHT TO MAINTAIN THE ASSETS AND FACILITIES.

THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT OF MANAGEMENT AND LEGAL REQUIREMENT AND THE AGREEMENTS, OF COURSE, ARE REVIEWED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY'S LEGAL INTERESTS ARE PROTECTED. CRITERIA, EMPHASIZES COMMUNITY

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MAYBE A CORPORATE ENTITY OR ANY ENTITY OR INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS MARKETING APPROACH.

AGAIN, THIS IS A BUSINESS DEAL. IT IS FOR BUSINESSES.

NOT ELIGIBLE TO SPONSOR, POLICE REGULATED BUSINESSES, FA FAITH-BASED AND POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS, COMPANIES WHOSE BUSINESSES SELL ALCOHOL, QUARTERBACK, FIREARMS OR ADULT USE OF A SEXUAL NATURE. ALSO ADVERTISING DESIGNS.

THIS IS LIKE WHAT WOULD BE ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING OR IN THEIR ADVERTISEMENT. THEY MUST BE REVIEWED, AND MOST COMPLY WITH CITY STANDARDS. FOLLOWING ARE EXAMPLES OF WHAT WILL NOT BE DISPLAYED. FILES MISLEADING.

SEXUAL, OR SCENE, TOBACCO OR ALCOHOL TO MINORS, DEPICTS VIOLENCE AND OUR ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOR AND SPECIFIC TO RELIGIOUS OR POLITICAL BELIEFS. AND THE SPONSORSHIP PROGRAM DOES NOT APPLY TO. THIS MEANS SOURCES OF ORGANIZATIONS CANNOT APPLY AND ARE NOT ELIGIBLE.

PHILANTHROPIC CONTRIBUTIONS, GIFTS, GRANTS, UNSOLICITED DONATIONS WITH NO COMMERCIAL BENEFITS.

THAT IS THE KEY TO THIS ONE, NO COMMERCIAL BENEFITS.

FUNDING OBTAINED FROM OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES THROUGH FORMAL GRANT PROGRAMS. AGAIN, THAT WOULDN'T BE A COMMERCIAL BENEFIT. CITY SPONSORSHIP, SUPPORT OF EXTERNAL PROJECTS. CONTRIBUTIONS FROM INDEPENDENT FOUNDATIONS OR REGISTERED CHAIR OR ORGANIZATIONS AND RENT FEES THAT ARE OTHER COMPENSATION RECEIVED BY THE CITY FOR THIRD PARTIES WHO LEASE, LICENSE OR USE CITY PROPERTY FOR THEIR OWN ACTIVITIES. THIS MIGHT BE LIKE A GYM OR A TEAM THAT PLAYS THERE ALL THE TIME.

SO WITH THAT SAID, PROCEDURES THAT WE RECOMMEND AND THESE WILL LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE OTHER NAMING PROCEDURES BUT WITH KEY DIFFERENCES. THE STEPS THAT WE RECOMMEND ARE, FIRST, THE INITIATION OF A REQUEST FOR THE APPLICATION.

THIS CAN BE INITIATED BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE INCLUDING DEPARTMENTS WITHIN OR LIKE THE SUNRISE THEATRE OR BY POTENTIAL SPONSOR. IT CAN GO EITHER WAY FROM THE BEGINNING. INITIATE A CALL FOR SPONSORS IF DEEMED APPROPRIATE FOR A DEADLINE OF SUBMISSION OF APPLICATION WITHIN 30 DAYS. ANOTHER THING TO LOOK AT WHEN WE LEFT AT 30 DAYS KNOWING THAT WE WILL MAKE THE FINAL DEC DECISION. APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO THE CITY CLERK FOR EACH NOMINATION BY POTENTIAL SPONSORS.

REVIEWED THE APPLICATION FROM POTENTIAL SPONSORS FROM THE PARKING ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF OBJECTIVES AND CRITERIA.

WE WILL BE VETTING THE APPLICATION AND PROVIDING THE INFORMATION AND NUMBER FOUR TO THE COMMISSIONERS WITH NOTES FROM THE REVIEW JUST LIKE WE DO THE OTHER NAMING OPPORTUNITIES.

THE COMMISSIONERS WILL DISCUSS THESE ACTIONS DURING A CONFERENCE AGENDA MEETING YOU MAY ACCEPT OR REJECT THE APPLICATIONS. IF REJECTED, IT WILL BE REFERRED BACK TO THE COMMITTEE AND YOU MAY DECIDE TO NOT MOVE FORWARD AT ALL. AND THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVE OR DENY THE APPLICATION BY A VOTE OF THE COMMISSION MEETING.

IF APPROVED, THE FINAL AGREEMENT WILL BE PRODUCED AND EXECUTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO WITH THAT, WE WILL ENTERTAIN

QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. >> MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION. LOOKS PRETTY COMPLETE TO ME.

BUT DID -- SOMEBODY MAY KNOW, THE -- THE NEXT STADIUM IS CALLED CLOVER PARK STADIUM, RIGHT? AND BEFORE IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THOMAS WHITE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THAT.

BUT IS THAT -- IS THAT HOW THAT -- DO YOU KNOW HOW METS STADIUM

GOT ITS NAME? >> WE REVIEWED THE ST. LUCIE RENAMING PROCESS. THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE US A SEPARATE ONE FOR SPONSORSHIP, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY USE THEIR NAMING PROCESS AS A SPONS SPONSORSHIP.

SO THEY WEREN'T UP WITH OF THE PLACES WITH A SEPARATE PROCESS FOR THAT. BUT WE KNOW FROM HAVING FORMER ST. LUCIE MEMBER ON OUR TEAM THAT THAT'S HUE IT WORKED.

THEY PLAYED CERTAIN AMOUNT FORP. P.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE METS BEING INVOLVED.

IT WAS A LITTLE -- LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE WOULD SOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A MAJOR -- MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL

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TEAM. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM. YES, SIR, COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I LIKE THIS A WHOLE LOT.

ONE THING THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE INDIGESTION IS NAMING OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ALIVE.

THE REASON WHY IS THINGS CAN CHANGE.

WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. A PERSON -- THEY NAMED A BIG WHOLE LIBRARY AND SOMETHING, AND THAT PERSON ENDED UP NOT BEING AT THE SAME HEIGHT IN CHARACTER -- SOMETHING CAME ABOUT AND WHATEVER, AND IT BECOMES AN EMBARRASSMENT TO THE COMMUNITY. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN EXIT THIS IN ANY WAY? THE CONTRACT?

>> YOU ARE REFERRING MORE, COMMISSIONER PERONA TO THE INITIAL NAMING PROCESS WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE A COMMERCIAL BENEFIT OR MARKETING BENEFIT AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY RENAME A FACILITY AND THAT PROCESS.

AND I THINK IF THAT WERE THE OCCASION AND IT WAS NAMED FOREVER, AND SOMETHING CAME UP, AND YOU WANTED TO SUBMIT NEW NAME, IT WOULD GO UNDER THAT ORIGINAL PROCESS.

THE SPONSORSHIP, MAYBE WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING ON THAT.

>> IF I MAY, THE NFL. YOU SEE ALL OF QUARTERBACKS ON THE ADVERTISEMENT. ONE SITUATION AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THOSE ADS ARE PULLED, SOMEONE SELLS COMES IN AND TRYING TO AVOID SOME KIND OF COMMERCIAL OR PR PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THAT AND I AM NOT TRYING TO OVERTHINK IT.

THIS HAPPENS EVERY DAY AND WE ARE DEALING WITH FOLKS TO ARE STILL ALIVE AND WE ARE HUMAN BEINGS AND POLITICS GET INVOLVED. NEGATIVE THINGS START HAPP HAPPENING. IS THERE A WAY TO EXIT THIS TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, PERSON OR COMPANY.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER PERONA.

WE HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS AND LIVING NAMES, OUR LEGAL TEAM CAN HELP US ON THIS, BUT I BELIEVE THERE WOULD BE A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, BARRING CIRCUMSTANCES AN AGREEMENT --

>> FOR PURPOSES OF OUR DISCUSSION THIS MORNING, I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD WRITE INTO THE CONTRACT. THAT ULTIMATELY GETS APPROVED.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THAT IS WHAT I WOULD EXPECT TO SEE

IN THAT. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT POINT UP EXACTLY.

NOT MORE SO THE PERSON. WHEN LUKE AT THIS, THESE ARE CORPORATIONS THAT ARE LOOKING TO EXTEND THEIR BRAND AND EVEN CORPORATIONS CAN VIOLATE MORE CLAUSES AND, ETC. AND MORE INVOLVEMENT AND I DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE OUR ATTORNEY TO LOOK AT THAT AND PUT IN THE PART OF CONTRACT BECAUSE THINGS ARE SHIFTING EACH AND EVERY DAY. THESE COMPANIES ARE GLOBAL.

THEY ARE AROUND THE WORLD. AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT WON'T JUST BE LOCALLY FORT PIERCE, THAT BRAND WHEREVER IT EXTENDS TO AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RELEASE THEM FROM THEIR CONTRACT AT SOME POINT IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I AGREE.

DIFFERENT OF NAMING A PARK FOR A SILT OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, COMMISSIONER. I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU.

THE LAST ONE I HAD TO GO THROUGH WAS TO NAME THE CHESNEY SOFT BALL TO THE COUNTY. THE PERSON MUST BE DECEASED TWO YEARS. IT IS AN EXAMPLE.

IN THEIR CODES AND POLICIES. BUT WITH THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE THERE, THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

I THINK THE OUTCLAUSES -- YOU ARE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER, THE OUTCLAUSES THROUGH LEGAL AND THE CONTRACT CAN PROVIDE US THE OPPORTUNITY. IT DOESN'T BECOME A BIG POLITICAL DISCUSSION, BUT PART OF A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT.

IT GETS RATIFIED AN UNRATIFIED AND WE MOVE ALONG.

BUT YOU ARE RIGHT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: SIMPLE BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE PROCESS.YE

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WITH A SPONSORSHIP.

LITTLE DIFFERENT IN THE LIVING AND NONLIVING BECAUSE I THINK IT IS A FINITE TERM. THAT WAS THE OTHER PART OF IT I WAS LOOKING FOR AND IT WAS EXPLAINED.

THE FINITE TERM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM MAYOR. A.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: ANOTHER REMEDY MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS AND 20.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: YOU CAN HAVE 20 WITH FIVE-YEAR RENEWALS. AND OFF BITE IN THE APPLE IN CASE THE WEATHER -- OR WINDS FLY ANOTHER WAY.

I REALLY THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER IT BECAUSE WE CONNECT OURSELVES OF PUBLIC RELATIONS -- THE WAY PEOPLE VIEW WHO WE ARE IS ALSO INCLUDED IN EVERYBODY ELSE THAT WE ADD TO THAT LIST. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FROM A MARKETING STANDPOINT THAT WE STAY PURE AND ABOVE AND

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OUR SFREVS THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK WHEN YOU ARE NAMING AFTER INDIVIDUALS WHICH WAS THE PREVIOUS THING THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE MOST PA PART. THAT IS AN HONOR.

THAT IS AN HONOR. THAT ISN'T ABOUT MONEY.

BUT THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE.

THIS IS -- THIS IS BASED ON MONDAY.

AND WOULD PROBABLY BE CORP CORPORATE.

CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP AS OPPOSED TO AN INDIVIDUALS, I WOULD -- TO AN INDIVIDUAL, I WOULD THINK.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: ONE QUICK QUESTION, FOLLOWING UP COMMISSIONER PERONA, MINIMUM OF FIVE AND MAXIMUM OF 20.

>> I BELIEVE -- I WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS MORE CLOSELY, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, BUT I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THEM EVEN

DID ONE YEAR. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. >> A LITTLE SHORT AND SIGNS --

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: CORPORATE THE WAY THINGS ARE EVOLVING, A YEAR IS A LIFETIME AND THINGS CAN GO SIDEWAYS REAL QUICK. IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE LOOKING AT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO EXPERIMENT LOOKING AND RENEW AND GO FORTH. OPINION BUT THINGS CHANGE AND I WOULD HATE FOR US TO SIGN A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT AND GETS TO BE A LITTLE CHALLENGING OF MONEYS THAT WERE PUT OUT ALREADY AND REIMBURSEMENT, ETC.

TO ME THAT GIVES ME INDIGESTION RIGHT THERE AT THAT POINT OF A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT ON SOME SOMETHING, ESPECIALLY IN THE CLIMATE OF THE WAY OUR GLOBAL SOCIETY IS OPERATING RIGHT NOW.

ONLY TAKES 30 SECONDS AND CORPORATION CAN BE GONE

TOMORROW. >> ONE THINGS WE WANTED TO

LEAVE UP TO THE COMMISSION. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

MY THOUGHT UP FRONT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WAS THERE A DISCUSSION OF CURRENT VENDORS FROM THE CITY WHO IT A LOT OF BUSINESS WITH THE CITY? WAS THERE A DISCUSSION OF HOW YOU TREAT THAT? YOU DON'T -- THEY MIGHT WANT TO DO A CORPORATE SPONSORSHIP BUT DON'T WANT TO DO IT BASED ON THE FACT YOU DO A LOT OF BUSINESS WITH THE CITY.

DO YOU? >> MADAM MAYOR.

I WILL BE HONEST THAT WASN'T DISCUSSED, I THINK FROM A STAFF LEVEL, WE WEREN'T THINKING OF EVEN ENTERTAINING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAD ONE OF OUR CONTRACTORS THAT DO A LOT OF WORK FOR US. MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. CAN'T BE AN EXISTING VEND WERTD

CITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I DON'T KNOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE IT MAYBE WITH MISS EARLEY.

THINK OF THE WRITE AND WRONGNESS OF IT.

BECAUSE IF -- LET'S JUST SAY WASTE MANAGEMENT IS A VENDOR.

I DON'T KNOW -- IF THEY WANT TO DO A COOPERATE SPONSORSHIP.

THE RIGHT AND WRONG WITH IT. DOES THAT MEAN THEY CAN'T BE A VENDOR? I WOULD LIKE TO FLESH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT. I AM NOT GOING TO ASK YOU RIGHT OFF THE BAT, BUT SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT. YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: CHALLENGING BECAUSE HERE IS WHAT I SEE. I SEE A LOCAL ENTITY BEING ACTIVELY ENGAGED AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY THROUGH CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS.

AND THEN WANTING TO PARTICIPATE AS A BUSINESS AND GIVE BACK TO

THE COMMUNITY AT THE SAME TIME. >> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT, RIGHT,

SO I MEAN -- >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: OR OFF THIS RELATIONSHIP THAT ALREADY EXISTS AND THEIR COMPETITOR

COMES ALONG AND WANTS TO -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: YEAH.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO THINK IT THROUGH.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT

WE ARE NOT MESSED UP. >> MAYOR HUDSON: BECAUSE WE --

ACTUALLY, YOU ARE RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I DON'T WANT TO THROW THEM AWAY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE RI RIGHT.

PEOPLE WHO CARE ABOUT FORT PIERCE AND WANT TO CONTRIBUTE IN THIS WAY, BUT THEY ARE ALREADY CARING ABOUT FORT

PIERCE BY DOING BUSINESS HERE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: PUT THIS WAY, I AM NOT AFRAID OF SOCIAL MEDIA.

FOLKS WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT IT EITHER WAY.

THEY WILL COMPLAIN JOE CONTRACTOR GOT THIS CONTRACT AND NOW CONTRIBUTING BACK TO THE CITY AND GOT THE CONTRACT BECAUSE OF THAT. I AM NOT AFRAID OF THAT.

I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO BE THINKING THAT I AM SCARED -- ME

PERSONALLY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM NOT SCARED OF IT UNLESS MISS E ARLY TELLS US TO BE SCARED OF IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I SEE THIS GOING BEFORE A EVALUATION COMMITTEE. AND MULTIPLE PEOPLE VYING TO GET THEIR NAMES. MAY BE CERTAIN INDUSTRIES OBVIOUSLY, BUT I THINK THE PROCESS IS WHAT I HAVE TO COME DOWN ON THE SIDE OF. AS LONG AS WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS USING THE CRITERIA, LOOKING AT ALL THESE

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BUT THAT EVALUATION COMMITTEE IS WHAT I AM RELYING ON TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE AND THE DEAL MAKE SENSE. BECAUSE ULTIMATELY SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO PUT MORE MONEY OUT THERE AND MAY BE THE WAY AND OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THEY PUT MORE MONEY OUT THERE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: YOU ARE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. I DON'T WANT THEM SILTING ON A COMMITTEE OF SOMEONE THAT PROVIDES TIRES TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. PLEASE EXCUSE YOURSELF AND MISS EARLEY WILL SAY THAT. THE COMMON SENSE.

YES, MISS ADAIR. >> EXCUSE ME, PLAID DAM MAYOR, IT OCCURS TO ME THAT ONE OUR REQUIREMENTS WAS AN FOR THE PUBLIC TO HAVE INPUT AND WHICH DID DISCUSS THAT AND DECIDED AT THE DISCUSSION OF THE CONFERENCE AGENDA AND PUBLISHING OF THOSE APPLI APPLICATIONS PRIOR TO THAT JUST LIKE WE DO THE NAMING LENS GIVES THAT TO THE PUBLIC AND, OF COURSE, THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COMMENT PUBLICLY -- EXCUSE ME DURING THIS MEETING OR PRIOR TO IT TO EACH OF YOU.

ANOTHER QUESTION IS, IS THAT ENOUGH PUBLIC INPUT.

BUT -- I ASSUME THAT THE PUBLIC WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY WITH SOME OF THAT WHICH IS AN EXCELLENT POINT THAT WE TOTALLY MISSED AND TALKED ABOUT IT OPINION. IS PUBLIC INPUT ALSO AN INDICATION IF THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE WITH THIS

PARTICULAR ONE OR NOT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM KIND OF THINKING IF WE GO THROUGHOUT NORMAL PROCESS.

AND PROBABLY SHOULD AGENDA -- I AM THINKING THAT IS -- WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT.

A LOT. SO I AM NOT SEEING THAT WE NEED ANY -- ANOTHER STEP. I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE DO.

DOES ANYBODY ELSE DISAGREE? SO WHEN WE LEAVE THIS TODAY.

DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THIS BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AGAIN.

DO WE HAVE ANOTHER CRACK AT IT? WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS GOING FROM WHAT YOU HEARD THE DISCUSSION TODAY.

>> MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, TO GET IT BEFORE YOU AND SEE IF THEY ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

GET YOUR FEEDBACK. IF THERE ARE CHANGES, MAKE THOSE CHANGES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WORK WITH TANYA AND PURCHASING AS WELL, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE AND SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.

YOU KNOW THEY MAY ALL THE BOXES ON THE CRITERIA BUT LIKE I S SAID, WE HAVE MULTIPLE SOLICITORS.

WHEN WE HAVE AN RFP AN EEVALUATION TEAM THAT GATHERS AND RATES THEM. MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SOUNDING MORE AND MORE LIKE A RFN A WAY.

OKAY. SO ALSO, COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON TALKED ABOUT NOT GOING THE FIVE YEARS.

THE COMMITTEE MAY NEED TO RETHINK THAT.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.

I WAS OKAY WITH THE FIVE YEARS BUT HE RAISE AS GOOD POINT.

>> WE BRING THIS BACK IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION OF FINAL APPROVAL. I WOULD LIKE TO GET IN FRONT OF YOU AT A CONFERENCE AGENDA TO GET IT IRONED OUT BEFORE IT COMES TO YOU FOR FINAL APP APPROVAL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

>> AND ALSO I -- IN THE CASE OF THE NAMING PROCESS THE FINAL BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING WE ALSO HAD AN APPLICATION CREATED AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR YOU WISH YOU US TO GO AS A PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WITH THAT.

WE DID THE EVALUATION FORM AND THE APPLICATION AS WELL.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS ONE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY AND WORK WITH

SHAUNA AND HER TEAM ON THIS. >> I THINK SO TOO.

THE WAY IS IS WRITTEN IS YOU HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE IT AND TD BANK WILL COME TO YOU AND SAY I WOULD LIKE TO SPONSOR X, Y AND Z. AND BE BY A SPONSOR AND NOT BY

THE CITY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD.

YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO CHEW ON BEFORE THE NEXT --

>> I DO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT THANK TOPIC. THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR YOUR HARD WORK. YOU KEEP MAKING US THINK.

GOOD. OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON. >> NEXT ITEM UPDATE ON THE

[d. Update on the Short Term / Vacation Rental Program]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MISS APPLICANT ARRAY, THIS IS YOUR

SHOW AND MISS COX. >> MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE

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WE WILL MAKE HER SAY SOMETHING.

>> GOOD MORNING. YES.

WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN UPDATE ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL -- VACATION RENTAL PROGRAM WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING.

WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH GRANICUS WHICH IS HOST COMPLIANCE. THE NAMES ARE INTERCHANGEABLE.

THEY ARE A THIRD-PARTY OPE OPERATOR.

THEY ARE THE OPERATOR THAT SCANS ALL THE ADS.

PROVIDES US WITH ALL THE INFORMATION.

IDENTIFIES ALL THE RENTAL UN UNITS.

WHEN I SAY THEY IDENTIFY RENTAL UNITS, IT IS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE.

WE HAVE GONE -- THE FAVORITE ONE SO FAR WAS AN OUTSIDE PORCH THAT THEY MATCHED TO A REAL ESTATE AD WITH AN OUTSIDE AND IDENTIFIED THE STUCCO PATTERNS TO IDENTIFY WHICH ONE IT IS.

THEY GO DEEP. MARBLE PATTERNS IN A BATHROOM FLOOR. THEY DIVE DEEP TO MATCH UNITS TO THE ACTUAL UNIT. THIS IS QUICK SCREEN SHOT OF THE DASHBOARD THEY PROVIDE US THAT IS REALTIME.

IT IS UPDATED DAILY. RIGHT NOW AS OF LAST WEEK, 302 SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTAL UNITS IDENTIFIED.

JUST A LITTLE SNAPSHOT OF A BIGGER SCREEN.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE AT 85% IDENTIFICATION.

ABLE TO IDENTIFY 5 OF THE UNITS BEING ADVERTISED.

ANOTHER SCREEN SHOT. MULTIPLE REGISTRATIONS.

SEE IN I CAN ZOOM IT IN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS ON MY IPAD I HAD TROUBLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THIS IS. I HOPE YOU EXPLAIN IT TO ME.

>> THE REGISTRATION PAGE. TWO TYPES OF REGISTRATION.

YOU CAN REGISTER ONLINE OR QUITE A FEW PEOPLE REGISTERED PRYING TO THIS PROGRAM BEING UP AND RUNNING AND THERE WAS A DATA UPLOAD. LET ME TELL YOU ONE OF THE THINGS -- LEARNING EXPERIENCE THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP ONE BIG LIST BECAUSE WHEN YOU UPLOAD A NEW LIST, YOU WIPE OUT ALL THE OLD LISTS. WE LEARNED THAT ONE THE HARD WAY. OUR REGISTRATION PAGE AND IDENTIFIES THE ADDRESSES AND REGISTERED AGENT.

CONTACT INFORMATION HERE. AGAIN, THE ONLINE REGISTRATION.

THEY HAVE TO UPLOAD ALL THEIR DOCUMENTS THAT WE CAN THEN AND LOOK AT THE LIVE LINKS. IF I AM HAVING A PARKING ISSUE I CAN LOOK AT THEIR PARKING DIAGRAM AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE COMPLYING WITH THEIR PARKING AND THESE COMMENT ITEMS ON THE DIFFERENT SCREENS THAT COMMENT CARRIES OVER.

NO MATTER WHERE I AM, I SEE WHERE THE UPDATES ARE IN HERE.

AND THEN ON AN UPLOADED ONE, I STILL GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION HERE AND IT DIDN'T GO ONLINE. YOU CAN SEE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PACKET IS IN THE COMMENTS.

YOU CAN UPLOAD INTO THE COMMENTS.

AND I CAN LOOK AT ALL THE INFORMATION PROVIDED BY THE OWNER. VERY, VERY FRIENDLY.

THESE PAGES ARE SORTABLE AND YOU CAN CLICK ANY ONE OF THESE AND IT SORTS BY ADDRESS OR IT IS PRETTY USER FRIENDLY AND

INTUITIVE. >> ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC?

>> IT IS NOT. OKAY.

I WANT TO SHOW YOU TWO SCREEN SHOTS OF WHAT OUR THIRD PARTY PROVIDES. WE HAVE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH THE PROGRAM. AGAIN, IT TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF LEARNING, BUT WE ARE -- MAYORS MAYORS I LIKE ANYTHING NEW.

>> WHEN I MADE THIS PROGRAM 307 ADVERTISED UNITS.

271 REGISTERED UNITS. WE ARE AT 88% REGISTRATION R RATE. 59 FRIENDLY LETTERS WERE SENT.

45 OF THOSE COMPLIED. WE ARE AT A 75 PERCENT FWINS RATE. OUR 14 DO REQUIRE FILE-UP AND SECOND OFFICIAL NOTICES OF VIOLATION WILL BE COMING OUT AND CONTINUED NONCOMPLIANCE IT WILL GO BEFORE THE SPECIAL FRAGILE STRAIGHT. WE ARE AT 76% RATE.

THAT IS PRETTY GOOD. THE OWNERS OUT OF TOWN AND RELYING ON THEIR REAL ESTATE ACTS AND WHATNOT.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, THE 59 LETTERS WERE

THOSE THAT DIDN'T REGISTER IN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: CORRECT.

>> LITTLE BIT OF A BOTH. UNREGISTERED AND PEOPLE WHOSE

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ADVERTISING. >> OKAY.

SO THAT LEFT WITH YOU 14 -- OKAY, GOT IT.

>> ABOUT COMPLAINTS, THERE IS A HOTLINE.

AND A WEB PORTAL. THEY ARE MANNED 24-7 BY GRANICUS AND THEY MAKE A FO FOLLOW-UP CALL TO THE MANAGER.

COMPLIANT OF LOUD NOISE AND THEY CONTACT THE PROPERTY MANAGERS WHO HAVE THE HOURS TO RESPOND.

EVIDENCE SUCH AS PHOTOS CAN BE UPLOADED.

IF YOU DO THE PHONE CALL YOU CAN E-MAIL A LINK TO STILL UPLOAD INFORMATION. VERY HELPFUL FOR ME AS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL UPDATE THE PHOTOS OF THE PARKING WHICH IS THE ONE I GOT IN THE PHOTOS OF THE MOST IS THE PARKING.

WE ALREADY HAVE 12 COMPLAINTS SO FAR.

I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH THAT AS WELL MOST OF THEM FOR PARKING.

GENERAL INQUIRIES AND A TRASH COMPLAINT AND UNAUTHORIZE THE

BIGGEST ONE. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: NO NOISE? NOBODY WAS YELLING AND SC SCREAMING AND PARTYING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SPRING BREAK THIS WEEK.

%NERS IS THE TEST. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THE THIRD PARTY COMPANY THAT IS HOW YOU ARE GATHERING THAT INFORMATION.

HOW DO WE INFORM THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS AND DO THEY CALL AND WE GIVE THEM THE NUMBER? HOW DOES THIS HAPPEN?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IT IS ON OUR WEB SITE.

>> I WILL JUMP TO THE NEXT P PAGE.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THINKING AHEAD.

>> HOW TO REGISTER IS ON THE CITY CLERK'S WEB PAGE OF THE CITY'S WEB SITE. AND THIS IS A CUTOUT FROM THE CITY'S WEB SITE. THE CITY CLERK WEB SITE.

THE ENFORCEMENT IS ON MY WEB PAGE BUT A FULL F FULGHUM LET OF REGISTRATION. THERE IS THE 24-HOUR HOTLINE -- I KEEP FORGETTING THIS IS NOT A PDF.

LINK TO DO THE ONLINE COMPLAINT FORM IS RIGHT THERE.

I GET AN E-MAIL THE VERY NEXT DAY.

EVERYTHING GETS AWARDED TO ME. IF I COME BACK WITH A PAGE LIKE THIS FOR COMPLAINTS AND A LINK TO LISTEN TO THE PHONE CALL.

A LINK TO LOOK AT THE PICTURES EVERYBODY IS READILY ACCEPTABLE TO FOLLOW UP ON. THAT IS REALLY WHERE WE ARE WITH THE PROGRAM. HIS SOME ISSUE STAFFING AND WE WILL ADVERTISE AGAIN FOR MY POSITION WITH MY DEPARTMENT.

STAFFING ISSUES WHICH I THINK THE WORLD IS MAY HAVE GONE.

AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN MOVING ALL FINE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHEN YOU WANT TO LOOK UP THE -- A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, THEY ARE MIXED IN WITH THE BTRS.

IS THAT RIGHT? IS MY MEMORY RIGHT?

>> NOT EVERY SHORT-TERM RENTAL HAS A BTR.

NOT A CURRENT LIST READY LIE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

I WILL PROVIDE A LIST OF REGISTERED VACATION RENTALS UPON REQUEST. BUT THERE IS NO READILY AVAILABLE LEST. JUST BECAUSE OF HOW IT POOLS.

>> HOW TO POOLS. I AM NOT RELYING ON MY BUSINESS TAX ANYMORE. THAT IS HOW WE USED TO PULL THE

LIST AND WE DON'T ANYMORE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK THE PUBLIC CAN CHECK TO SEE IF ANYTHING IS REGISTERED ANYMORE?

>> NOT ANYMORE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MY EXACT CONVERSATION AND QUESTION.

BECAUSE HOW I DO KNOW MAKE A COMPLAINT ON THE GRANICUS WEB SITE IF I DON'T KNOW IT IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

I SEE THREE CARS PARKED IN THE GRASS.

I WOULD CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT BEFORE I WILL THINK ABOUT GOING TO CALL -- GO TO THE WEB SITED TO MAKE THE COMPLAINT.

I HAVE NO IDEA IT IS A STR. >> IF THE COMPLAINT IS -- IF YOU BELIEVE IT IS A STR THAT IS NOT REGISTERED, GO TO THE GRANICUS. THAT IS MY TRACKING MECHANISM.

I RESPOND AND GO BACK TO YOU. SAME AS CALLING CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT JUST GOING THROUGH THE PROGRAM SO IT IS

DOCUMENTED. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WHAT HAPPENS IF I GO TO THE WEB SITE, MAKE A COMPLAINT AND TURNS OUT NOT A ST R.

WHAT IS OUR VENDOR GOING TO SAY TO US. NOT ON OUR LIST?

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>> THEY SEND IT TO ME AND I CHECK IT OUT.

YES. THERE IS AN ISSUE AND WE HAD THIS COMPLAINT IN TO OCEAN VILLAGE.

NO GOOD ANSWER FOR THIS. THEY BELIEVE THE RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORS, A STR, THERE IS NO AD.

NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE. AND I NEED PROOF OR EVIDENCE.

I CAN'T JUST SAYS IT A STR. WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO THINK A STR EXISTS. AND NO ADD.

RESIDENTS SAY NO ADD. SO I CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

WITHOUT EVIDENCE OR PROOF, THERE IS NOT ANYTHING WE CAN

DO. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN TALLAHASSEE.

LIVING AND BREATHING AS A RESIDENCE, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM.

LIVING AND BREATHING AS A RESIDENCE.

THAT IS A PROBLEM. ACTING LIKE A RESIDENCE.

>> RESIDENCE, NOT A BUSINESS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: BLUE HAIR, BLACK H HAIR, BLONDE HAIR, DOESN'T MATTER YOU ARE ACTING AND LIVING AS A RESIDENT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GRANICUS SCANS 70 DIFFERENT WEB SITES YOU CAN THINK YOU ARE GOING TO THE MOST REMOTE WEB SITE AND THEY ARE STILL GOING TO TRY Y YOU.

YOU MAY FIGURE OUT YOU ARE NOT PUTTING A PICTURE OF THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE WITH THE ADDRESS NUMBER.

THEY HAVE THEY WILL FIND YOU. AMAZING SOME OF THE PHOTOS.

THEY SHOWED ME THE COMPARISONS TO GO IN AND DOUBLE CHECK IT AND CON GIRL THE RIGHT ADDRESS BEFORE FORWARD.

THEY MATCHED A STUCCO PATTERN ON A BACK PORCH AND IT WAS VERY

IMPRESSIVE. >> WE NEED TO TIE IN HOW THE REGISTRATIONS ARE OUT THERE WITH THE INFORMATION.

MAYBE WE NEED TO GET A PUBLIC RECORD OF THE LIST AND THAT'S OKAY. I AM OKAY WITH THAT TOO.

TELL ME WHAT THE MECHANISM IS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: PEOPLE IN WANT TO CHECK IT THEMSELVES. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THERE WAS A COMPLETE LIST OF ALL THE ONES THAT WERE REG REGISTERED THAT WERE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT -- DONE THROUGH THE BUSINESS TAX.

>> WE EXPECT DO THIS ANY WAY. AND USED TO BE A NEW CHARGED BUSINESS TAX AND WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT INDEPENDENT PROGRAMS. SOMEBODY CAN COME IN AND GET A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT AND NOT BE REGISTERED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

SOMEONE NOT -- THEY ARE REQUIRED TO.

WE DON'T. WE CAN'T CONDITION YOU ARE BUSINESS TAX ON THAT, SO -- AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OF THEM COME OF THE NONCOMPLIANT HAD THE BTR BUT THEN WANTED TO REGISTER.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IF A MEMBER OF A PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW IF THEY ARE ON A SHORT-TERM RE RENTAL, HOW DO THEY DO THAT?

>> DO A PUBLIC RECORDS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: CAN WE NOT USE THE DATABASE ON OUR SCREEN TO POPULATE THE GIS WITH THAT LINK.

CAN I.T. -- WE ARE LOOKING AT A DATABASE.

>> IT IS. AND CAN BE EXPORTED.

LITTLE BUTTON CAN BE EXPORTED TO A XL SPREADSHEET WHICH I HAD A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. AS FOR WHETHER GIS AND THE L LINK, THAT IS A MR. MIMMS QUESTION.

>> I THINK HE CAN TAKE ON POPULATION.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I WILL HAVE MISS MORRIS.

YOU KNOW I WAS GOING GET TO YOU SAY SOMETHING.

I WOULD LIKE -- I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT EXPLORED TO SEE IF THERE IS A WAY THAT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL LIST CAN BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK FOR A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. IS THAT -- THE OTHER

COMMISSIONERS AGREE WITH THAT? >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WE NEED TO MAXIMIZE OUR GIS SYSTEM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I PLAYED AROUND WITH IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: A WEALTH OF INFORMATION THERE, ONCE YOU POPULATE IT, IT IS EASY TO UPLOAD, CHANGE IT AND DOWNLOAD, UPLOAD, REFRESH.

I AM NOT THE EXPERT, I JUST SEEN IT HAPPEN WITH BUTTON PUSHES. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, IT WILL

BE HANDY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YEAH.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: IN A MAP FOR MAT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: LET ME ASK YOU THIS TOO.

THE $600 REGISTRATION FEE, DOES THAT SEEM TO BE JUSTIFIED -- IT SEEMS THIS IS A PRETTY SOPHISTICATED OUT FIT THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. I MEAN, THE LEGISLATURE WAS

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SO IS THAT -- IS THAT WORKING THE $600 REGISTRATION FEE?

>> IT IS GOING INTO A SPECIALIZED FUND TO HELP COVER

THE COST OF THE PROGRAM. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THE COST OF THE SERVICE MUST BE SO MUCH A MONTH OR SO MUCH A CALL OR

WHAT. >>> IS IT?

>> I BELIEVE IT IS AN ANNUAL FEE.

I BELIEVE IT IS AN ANNUAL FEE. I MEAN, WE HAVE THOSE NUMBERS.

WE RUN THOSE REPORTS. LAST MINUTE SO IT DIDN'T MAKE

THIS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: SEND IT TO US. >> WE HAVE OUR DEDICATED CODE

ENFORCEMENT. >> DEDICATED EMPLOYEE THAT WORKS WITH THIS PROGRAM WHICH IS REALLY NECESSARY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: FUNDING FOR THE EMPLOYEE, THE STAFFING AND EQUIPMENT AND WHATNOT AS WELL AS THE WEB SITE.

SO COULD YOU SEND US THOSE -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE IT TO

US. >> OCEAN VILLAGE IS THE BULK.

COLD WELL BANKER HANDLED OCEAN VILLAGE.

AND REST OF IT -- I BELIEVE IT IS OF ITS OWN AMOUNT THAT IS SUFFICIENT TO COVER THE SOFTWARE AND THE EMPLOYEE,

WHICH, AGAIN, IF -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY IT.

I FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT IT, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT REGISTRATION.

YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: YOU KNOW THIS THING STARTED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND I AM GOING TO FELL YOU, OF ALL THE THINGS WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH, THIS IS THE MOST PAINFUL PROCESSES THAT WE EVER HAD TO GO THROUGH.

THE PUBLIC PERCEPTIONS OUT THERE WERE ALL OVER THE PAGE, THE NOISE, THE PARKING, INTERFERENCE WITH THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF MY HOME WAS KEY. WE HAD FOLKS PLEADING TO US FROM -- FROM THE PODIUM. SOME CRYING.

SOME THINKING THAT THEY HAVE THE MOVE AND ALL THIS TYPE -- I AM JUST SAYING THAT -- YOU K KNOW, I GET IT.

A LOT OF THIS NEW VACATION RENTAL IS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW. AND WE ARE LIVING PEACEFULLY TOGETHER. EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, IT GETS A LITTLE WILD OUT THERE, SO IS MY HOUSE ONCE AND A WHILE.

AND SPECIFICS -- MY NEIGHBOR, HE IS A DETECTIVE DOWN IN PALM BEACH. HE CAME BY MY HOUSE AND KNOCKED ON THE DOOR SAID SUPER BOWL SUNDAY IS COMING UP AND FOLKS PILING TO THIS TWO-STORY HOUSE ON SURFSIDE.

WE WADDLED DOWN THERE -- I TOOK A BREAK FROM THE GAME AND ALL INSIDE AND MY HOUSE WAS NOISIER THAN THEIR HOUSE.

NEIGHBORS ARE POLICING DOING A LOT OF THAT.

AND THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PICK UP THE PHONE.

THEY HAVE A RESPONSE IMMEDIATELY I EXPECTED THE NUMBERS TO BE HIGHER AND INTERFERENCE OF THE NORMAL AND PLEASED TO KNOW. I AM PLEASED TO KNOW THAT WE ARE LEARNING HOW TO COEXIST AND A FUNCTION AND THIS STARTED WITH THE STATE MANDATES THAT WHAT WE COULD AND COULDN'T DO AND I WAS HAPPY WHERE WE GOT THROUGH ON THIS PROCESS.

IT WAS PAINFUL. IT IS THE MOST -- IS DISAGREED WITH YOU, MAYOR HUDSON AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAD A TOUGH TIME AND FOUR PEOPLE.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: FOUR PEOPLE AND TIED AT EVERY MEETING AND POSTPONE FOR 60 DAYS, AND COME BACK AND GUESS WHAT, IT WAS STILL TIED. I UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS AS FAR AS HOW THAT WORKED.

THIS HAS WORKED. CONGRATULATIONS TO STAFF AND TO COMMISSION AND CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FOLKS OUT THERE GAVE IT AND MOVED IT FORWARD JEREMIAH, I PASSED BY THOSE THREE ON A DAILY BASIS. WE WILL HAVE PROBLEMS AS WE GO FORWARD AND WE ARE READY AND THE BIGGEST SUCCESS.

I AM VERY HAPPY WITH IT, FINALLY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAD A VOLUNTEER COMMITTEE THAT WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS, AND SPENT A LOT OF HOURS ON IT AND I KNOW STAFF WAS INVOLVED WITH YOU MISS COX AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR STAFF SPENT A LOT OF I'M AND CITIZENS HAD A LOT OF TIME WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE COULD LIVE WITH BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE AFRAID OF IT I THINK HAD A VALID POINT

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YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING BUT NOT THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THAT PROPERTY DON'T LIVE THERE.

AND THAT -- THAT IS SOMETHING THAT GOES AGAINST THE GRAIN IN TERMS OF KEEPING A NEIGHBORHOOD IDENTITY SO I DON'T.

IN MY OPINION, DON'T WANT A NONRESIDENTS, NONVOTERS SO THAT IS MY WORRY THAT IS DOWN THE LINE.

MOSTLY ON THE BEACH, >> WHAT I CAN SAY MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS HAVING SPOKEN AND PUTTING THESE LETTERS OUT AND SPEAKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY WANT TO COMPLY.

GETTING THREE CARS REPE REPETITIVELY.

AM I COMPLIED YET. WHAT DO I NEED TO DO.

I WANT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THESE SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTAL OWNERS THEY WANT TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT. AND I HEARD THAT IS DIRECTLY FROM THEM. I WANT TO BE A GOOD JAKE AND WANT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. WHAT DO I NEED TO DO.

WILL YOU TELL ME WHAT I NEED TO DO.

I AM GOING TO DO IT. AND -- WANT CAN TO PROTECT YOUR OWN PROPERTY AND IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE STRANGERS IN YOUR HOME IN AND OUT, YOU WILL WANT TO MAKE THEIR SHAH EVERYTHING IS OKAY. SO I DO -- I DO SEE THAT.

YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: ANOTHER OBSERVATION TOO IS THAT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES, I ALWAYS THOUGHT THEY WERE KEPT IN PRETTY DECENT MAINTENANCE AND WHEN THEY BECAME A VACATION RENTAL, THEY LOOKED LIKE -- THEY LOOKED LIKE A RESORT. I MEAN, I AM HAPPY TO HAVE THAT BUILDING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I THINK IT STILL IS INCUMBENT UPON THE NEIGHBORS, THE RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO HELP IN OUR POLICE AND I THINK THAT IS KEY TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THOSE VACATION RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE SO WE CAN STAY AT HEIGHTED ALERT WHAT IS GOING ON AND HELP AND BE PART OF THAT PROCESS TO MAKE SURE IT STILL OPERATES

SMOOTHLY AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WELL, I THINK THAT IS THE IMPORTANT FACTOR AT ANY POINT BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE CHARACTERISTIC OF THE PROPERTY, THERE COULD BE CIRCUMSTANCE, RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHY IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE PROGRAM.

WE VETTED THE PROGRAM. WE DISCUSSED IT AD NAUSEAM AND VOTED AND TIED AND VOTED AND TIED AND CAME UP WITH LANGUAGE THAT WORKED IN A DATABASE AND HAVE THE PARAMETERS IN PLACE THROUGH STAFF AND STAFFING AND LOOKING AT WHAT IS MAPPING, AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT IS A GOOD PARTNERSHIP, LIVING WITH IT.

WE ARE DOING GOOD. AND I THINK WE ARE IN A GOOD SPOT. THE SYSTEM IN PLACE IS REALLY GOOD AND INCLUDING THE REGISTRATION AND THE FEE WE ARE IN GRUELING YEARS OF REHASHING IT OUT.

AND I AM GLAD -- I AM GLAD TO SEE THESE NUMBERS.

SO THANK YOU THAT WE HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF US AND THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO PUSH IT FORWARD AND WE ARE GOING TO MASSAGE IT AND THE DIFFERENCE AND A LITTLE BIT OF A -- OF A CHANGE IN THE USE AND FOLKS THAT SAY NO, BUT, HEY, OUR CITY AND RESIDENTS. WHAT I SAID WITH PREVIOUS PUBLIC MEETINGS OUR HOA AS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHICH IS AN HOA IS AND WE CAME UP WITH A

SYSTEM AND GOOD FOR US. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU

VERY MUCH. >> OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE

[f. Discussion on Business Tax Receipt Rates]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THIS IS YO YOURS.

>> MY ITEM.3 EVERY OTHER YEAR THE CITY COMMISSION HAS THE ABILITY TO INCREASE BUSINESS TAX.

INCREASE, DECREASE OR KEEP THEM THE SAME AND THIS IS OUR TWO-YEAR MARK. SO I'M HERE BEFORE YOU JUST TO GIVE SOME CONSENSUS OF WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH BUSINESS TAX RATES THIS YEAR LAST YEAR IF YOU REMEMBER DECREASED IT BY THE 5%. AND ANYTHING 20 --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC?

>> WE DID THAT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

IN 2016, THERE WAS NO INCREASE BUT HAD A 5% INCREASE IN 2010, 2012, 2014, 2018. EVERY YEAR WE WERE PERMITTED TO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO, WE DID A 5% INCREASE IN BUSINESS TAX. IF YOU WERE TO DO AN INCREASE

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WE REACHED OUT TO VERO BEACH AND PORT ST. LUCIE.

AT THE TIME WE REACHED OUT, THEY DID NOT INDICATE THEY WOULD MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE BUSINESS TAX.

WE ARE ON THE SAME CYCLE, I WOULD THINK.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY DISCUSSION.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SO ALL OF THE BUSINESSES WE HAVE REGISTERED BTR. IF WE HAVE A 5%, ONLY $13,000?

THAT IS -- OKAY, EVERYTHING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: INCREASE BUT

A TOTAL. >> THE TOTAL AMOUNT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: OKAY.

>> BASICALLY BRINGING $70,000 ANNUALLY FOR BUSINESS TAX

REVENUE. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

OKAY, GOT IT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: SO WE DECREASE IT AND IF WE INCREASE IT, WE BRING BACK TO WHERE WE

WERE IN 2020. >> 2018.

>> CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: RECENTLY IN YOUR DEPARTMENT WITH THIS SPECIFICALLY, IS THIS FALLEN UNDER. I KNOW THIS IS DOING THINGS AS FAR AS DIGITIZING AND OTHER THINGS.

DOES THIS FACTOR IN AT ALL IN THOSE PROJECTS AND HAVING TO UPGRADE OUR EQUIPMENT TO WORK WITH THIS BT R APARTMENT?

>> NO, SIR. IT IS TAX REVENUE THAT GOES

DIRECTLY TO THE GENERAL FUND. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YOU DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY PROJECTS COMING UP OR PERSONNEL

TO HANDLE BTRS? >> NOTHING NEW OR DIFFERENT FOR

BUSINESS TAX, NO, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: DO WE HAVE THE DPOOVT DO BTRS ONLINE COMPLETELY 100%?

>> WE DO NOT CURRENTLY ACCEPT WE DO ALL THE RENEWALS ARE ONLINE. NEW APPLICATIONS WE DON'T CURRENTLY DO THEM ONLINE. WE DO IT ALL THROUGH E-MAIL AND WE DON'T HAVE AN ONLINE PORTAL BECAUSE ONE OF THE THING WITH BUSINESS TAXES IS IT REQUIRES OUR STAFF TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY WE ARE DOING TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT CLASSIFICATION AND WHEN IT GETS HE SHARED WITH BOTH THE PLANNING AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THAT EVERYBODY HAS A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY DOING WITH THE PROPERTY BEFORE THE BUSINESS TAX IS ISSUED.

SO THE SYSTEM DOES ENVISION AN ONLINE PORTAL, SO WE WILL DEFINITELY GO THAT DIRECTION. IT IS GOING TO TAKE SOME -- YOU KNOW, SOME FORESIGHT AND OUR STAFF ALREADY KNOWS WHAT QUESTIONS TO ASK AND WE WILL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: HOW FAR ARE YOU WITH THAT

SYSTEM? >> EARLY.

I THINK I HAVE EIGHT HOURS NEXT WEEK JUST IN MEETINGS WITH THEM JUST TO BUILD THE INITIAL STEPS TO GO TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE,

EIGHT HOURS ONLY. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MISS MORRIS HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT T

THAT. >> IT IS NOT GOING TO BE IMMEDIATE. I KNOW FINANCES SUPPOSED TO BE UP AND RUNNING OCTOBER 1, BUT IT IS VERY TEDIOUS WITH BUILDING IT OUT AND THEN GETTING IT UP AND RUNNING.

>> I GUESS LOOKING FORWARD AND KNOWING THAT WE COME THROUGH -- STILL IN OR WHOEVER YOU WANT TO INTERPRET THIS PANDEMIC WE ARE IN, BUT, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT PHYSICALLY ONLINE WOULD ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS TO BE CURTAILED AND SHORTCUT AND ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO BE PROFICIENT AND GETTING BTR IN FORT PIERCE COMING UP AND GET AN E-MAIL TO THEM AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO ALL OF THAT.

BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT.

>> PRETTY MUCH ALL DONE ONLINE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MISS COX, WITH THE LEGISLATURE, CONSTANTLY WANT TO TINKER WITH THIS. BECAUSE THEY THINK CITIES ARE DOING THINGS THAT ARE HURTING BUSINESS.

>> CORRECT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT AND CALLED SOMETHING ELSE IN OTHER CITIES IS -- IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING SO WE KNOW WHO IS DOING BUSINESS IN OUR CITY AND WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. AND WE.

IT IS A REGULATION THAT -- THAT WE DON'T CONSIDER OVERREGULATION, IT JUST CONSIDERED KIND OF INVENTORY JUST AS WE WANT A LIST OF SH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

>> THE STATE REGULATION HAS CHANGED IT TREMENDOUSLY OVER

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IT IS NOT DESIGNED TO BE A REGULATORY TOOL.

THE CITY AND PLANNING DEPARTMENTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGULATE. AND IF SOMEBODY GOES IN AND WORKS WITHOUT A PERMIT, THAT DOESN'T HOLD UP YOU RECEIVING YOUR BUSINESS TAX BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND TAKE ENFORCEMENT MATTERS TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THE PROPER PERMITS. IF YOU GO IN A BUILDING AND IT ISN'T DESIGNED FOR THAT USE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A BEAUTY SALON AND YOU WANT TO OPEN A CAR DEALERSHIP IN THAT SAME LOCATION, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A CHANGE OF USE PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT IT WAS INITIALLY DESIGNED FOR AND THAT CHANGE OF USE IS ON THE BUILDING SIDE.

MARY STEVE MCNAIR IT IS NOT REGULATORY, WHAT IS IT?

>> A TAX. IT USED TO BE BUSINESS RECEIPT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU SAY TAX ON BUSINESSES.

>> CORRECT. IT IS A TAX.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU TAXED BECAUSE -- FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF

DOING BUSINESS IN OUR TOWN? >> EXACTLY.

THAT IS WHAT WE TELL PEOPLE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: PROBABLY WHY THE LEGISLATURE DOESN'T LIKE IT.

SO WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE COMMISSION.

I DON'T HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THIS EITHER WAY MYSELF.

MISS MORRIS -- SHE WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

GO AHEAD. >> WEIGHING IN AS YOUR FINANCE DIRECTOR. MY THOUGHTS ON THIS.

I SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECAPTURE SOME REVENUE SO THAT WE WILL BE IN A BETTER STANDING AS WE GO FURTHER ALONG FUTURE.

IT IS MY JOB TO LOOK FUTURE AND FORWARD MOST OF THE TIME.

AND I THINK -- I KNOW WHERE WE HAVE FALLEN INTO PROBLEMS IN THE PAST. IS WHEN WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE REVENUE OR PUT IT BACK TO THE POINT WHERE WE AT LEAST START IT. WE HAVE NOT.

SO WHEN WE GET DOWN THE ROAD AND WE HAVE CHALLENGES, WE DON'T HAVE REVENUE THAT WE COULD HAVE HAD OR CAPTURED AT THE TIME AND THEN WE ARE PLAYING CATCH-UP AND OUR CITIZENS FEEL IT MORE BECAUSE AT THIS POINT, WE GOT TO DO A 5% TO 6% AND COULD HAVE DONE A 1%, YOU KNOW.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU DECREASED IT IN THE TIMES WHEN IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NEEDED FOR OUR CITIZENS. SO NOW IF WE INCREASE IT BACK TO THE 5%, WE ARE TAKING IT WHERE WE WERE INITIALLY.

AND SO WE ARE NOT LOSING ANY MORE ADDITIONAL REVENUE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE FINANCE DIRECTOR.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL ADD, MADAM MAYOR, IF I CAN, THE FUTURE LOOK AT MAKING THIS TRULY AN ONLINE PROCESS AND MOVING THAT POINT. I SEE MORE BUSINESSES COME INTO OUR CITY. AS WE ARE GROWING, MORE PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY OPERATE EITHER FROM THEIR HOMES AS A STALL IN BUSINESS OWNER OR THESE TYPE OF THINGS AND ULTIMATELY THAT LEADS TO PROBABLY A CODE VISIT AND SOMETHING OPERATING SOMETHING THEY SAY IS A BEAUTY SHOT AND X-Y-Z.

THAT IS DIFFERENT SOME TYPE OF AN ENFORCEMENT THAT OUR CITIZENS MAY ENGAGE TO SAY, HEY, THIS PERSON IS RUNNING A RESTAURANT OUT OF A PLACE THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A BEAUTY SUPPLY. WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

JUST A CRAZY EXAMPLE. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE GROWING PAINS IN OUR CITY. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE COMING HERE WANTING TO OPERATE THIS AND I FORECAST NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IF WE DON'T GET THIS ONLINE FULLY ASSESSED AND HAVING SOMEONE TO KIND OF LOOK AT THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO BE PLAYING CATCH-UP WITH PERSONNEL, I THINK.

I REALLY DO. WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE OPERATING BUSINESSES IN OUR CITY CAUSING MORE CHALLENGES THAN WE

ANTICIPATE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THIS SOUR ONLY OPPORTUNITY. IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING NOW, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL TWO YEARS.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: TWO YEARS.

>> UP TO 5%. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYBODY WANT TO WEIGH IN? GIVE AN INDICATION? I WOULDN'T OBJECT GOING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE IN 2018.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: IS THAT THE 5% INCREASE? I WOULDN'T EITHER. I THINK THAT IS THE SDWRENGS TO GO. AND MISS MORRIS IS SPOT ON.

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IT WAS REALLY HARD TO PUSH THAT BUTTON TO RAISE TAXES WHEN WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IT. THIS PARTICULAR ONE I THINK VALUE IS COMING BACK TO ALL OF THOSE BUSINESSES BECAUSE OF IT.

WE CAN IDENTIFY THAT. GOES IN THE GENERAL FUND.

WE ARE THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX.

WE ARE DOING THINGS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE INVITING FOLKS TO OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE BUSINESSES THRIVE.

AND I THINK IF WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE MONEY TREES THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BACK LOT, RIGHT. I MEAN, BUT WE GO THERE ALL THE TIME LOOKING FOR THOSE FUNDING THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PUSH AND PROMOTE FORT PIERCE.

I SUPPORT THAT TOTALLY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I AM TORN. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

BECAUSE IT IS -- THE WAY I SEE IT -- AND YOU CAN CHASTISE ME LATER. I SEE IT AS OUR OWN FORM OF POTENTIAL INFLATION. BECAUSE THAT COST IS GOING TO GET DISTRIBUTED TO CUSTOMERS OF OTHER BUSINESSES.

AT THE SAME TIME, EARLIER THIS CONVERSATION TODAY, WE TALKED ABOUT ADDITIONAL PARKING NEEDS IN OUR DOWNTOWN, WHICH DIRECTLY SUPPORTS AND PROVIDES A POSITIVE IMPACT TO BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALSO PAYING THIS EXACT FEE SO I LEAN ON THAT SIDE OF IT TO SAY WE AS A COMMISSION AS A CITY THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS AND PROVIDING OTHER COMMU OPPORTUNITIES AND USING REV REVENUES TO HELP PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REVENUES TO OUR LOCAL ECONOMY AND LOCAL BUSINESSES, THEN I AM OKAY WITH IT SO I CAUTIOUSLY MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

AND IF WE CAN THINK ABOUT OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND THIS 270 AND SOME THOUSANDS THAT COME IN AND TAKE THOSE MONIES AND USE IT TO POSITIVELY IMPACT THE DOWNTOWN OR OUR CITY AS A WHOLE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

I AM OKAY WITH THAT. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT -- ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT IS A TWO-YEAR OUTLOOK.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF THAT TOO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I HEAR US ALL SAYING WE ARE ALL OKAY WITH GOING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE? COMMISSIONER GAINES? WEIGH IN HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: COMMISSIONER JOHNSON KIND OF

STOLE SOME OF MY THUNDER. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: REAFFIRM IT. THAT'S ALL.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO FORT PIERCE AND SHOP AT THESE BUSINESSES AND DO BUSINESS IN FORT PIERCE AND INCREASE IS GOING TO BE PUT ON THE CUSTOMERS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY, BUT GOING TO BE PUT ON THE CUSTOMERS.

I AM TORN HERE BECAUSE ONE TIME I CAN'T BE OUT SAYING COME TO FORT PIERCE, COME TO FORT PIERCE, COME TO FORT PIERCE, BUSINESSES ARE JUST REALLY REAL TRYING TO OPEN BACK UP AND GET TO WHERE THEY ARE WHEN WE LOWERED IT.

SO THEY ARE TRYING TO GET TO WHERE THEY ARE AND TO HIT THEM WITH ANOTHER TAX AND GAS PRICES ARE HIGH AND YOU SAY I HAVE A TAX GOING. BECAUSE I AM TORN BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED THE MONEY CUSTOMERS WHO NEED TO PAY THE MONEY AND GOES CONTRARY TO GO VISIT OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY AND I THINK YOU SAID IF WE DID THIS, JUST AN ADDITIONAL

$13,000? >> RIGHT, THE AVERAGE BUSINESS IS REQUESTING GOING TO HAVE A $6-A-YEAR INCREASE.

KURZ SDHURZ GOING TO BE THE END OF THIS YEAR?

>> OCTOBER 1. WE HAVE TO DO IT NOW BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE CHANGED BY ORDINANCE. YOU WILL SEE THINGS GOING FORWARD IF YOU GIVE ME SOME CONSENSUS OF DIRECTION.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM MAYOR, ANYTHING WITH A 5% INCREASE IF YOU LOOK AT THE MARKET AREA, WE ARE STILL UNDER EVERYBODY ELSE. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BUT LET'S TAKE A LARGE -- A LARGE MERE COMMAND IS $300 AND SOME.

AND TALKING $16 $17 IS AN INCREASE.

I DON'T THINK IT IS AND WE NEED TO RESPONSIBILITY BE CLOSE TO

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ALSO RESPONSIBILITY, I THINK, TO RECOVER FROM THAT.

WHEN THINGS HAVE RECOVERED. AND I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

AND IF WE WERE TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS AND ALL THE OTHER TYPE THINGS AND IF WE WERE EXCEEDING WHAT OUR MARKET OF VERO AND PORT ST. LUCIE IS DOING, WE ARE NOT.

WE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE. UP TO 5%.

AND NOSE BUSINESSES AND STILL TRAFFIC -- WEAR AND TEAR ON THE STREETS AND SURFACES OF THOSE CARS COMING HERE.

AND THEY ARE COMING FROM OUTSIDE AREAS AND PATRONIZING THOSE BUSINESSES AND MAYBE DIFFERENT CITIES, ETC.

WE WANT TO REALIZE THAT WE -- WE DON'T WANT ALL OF THAT BURDEN ON THE PACK OF THE CITIZENS THAT LIVE HERE, THAT RESIDE HERE, THAT PAY RESIDENTIAL TAXES HERE AS WELL AS THIS OTHER PART OF IT. SO EVEN IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT A PARTIAL BENEFIT, WHERE I AM NOT AT IS NOT MOVING ANYWHERE, I CAN GO .5. I CAN GO 2.5.

BUT I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BEGIN.

WE ARE STARTING NOW AND FOUR YEARS UNTIL WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AGAIN. AND ANOTHER TWO YEARS AFTER THIS. AND SO --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THIS IS OUR CHANCE KURZ DHURZ SUR TO CHANCE TO DO ANYTHING TO MOVE THAT FORWARD AND KEEP UP WITH THE

MARKET. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR? >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: COMMISSIONER GAINES, THANK YOU, YOU MADE ME THINK OF IT.

I AM INVOLVED.TWO BUSINESSES THAT ARE IMPACTED EVERY DAY.

NOT JUST THE EXPANSIVE NATURE OF OUR CHANGE.

BUT WHERE IS THE BLEEDING STOP FROM TWO BUSINESSES I AM ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN, IT IS LKE -- I CAN'T TAKE ANOTHER HIT, BECAUSE IT -- IT HURTS. AND SO THEN I AM PASSING IT ON OR I AM ABSORBING IT AND I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT -- BECAUSE THEY THINK ABOUT IN THE BUSINESSES I AM INVOLVED WITH.

THEY THINK ABOUT WHAT AM I GOING TO DO TWO MONTHS FROM NOW AND I NEED MAKE SURE I AM PREPARED FOR TWO MONTHS FROM NOW BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF DOLLARS COMING IN TO HELP SUPPORT ONE MORE EMPLOYEE OR ONE MORE JOB BECAUSE I CAN'T GET TO THAT JOB BECAUSE GAS IS $5 A GALLON.

SO THESE ARE -- THESE ARE NUANCES THAT WE NEVER HAD TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE AND I CAN TELL YOU NOW, ANY MOMENT WE CAN SAY, OH, MY GOSH, THANK YOU, I AM SPEAKING WITHOUT MY COMMISSIONER HAT -- THANK YOU, FORT PIERCE, NOT CHANGING SOMETHING. SOMETHING ON MY PLATE IS THE SAME. I CAN TELL YOU NOW THAT BUSINESS OWNERS WANT TO SAY THAT.

AND I PUT MY COMMISSION HAT BACK ON REAL FAST AND LEAVE IT THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND OUR CONVERSATION PIECE TOO. I AM TELLING YOU THE ECONOMICS IN THIS WORLD AS A BUSINESS OWN REMEMBER VASTLY DIFFERENT THAN WE WERE THREE MONTHS AGO. THE BELT IS TIGHT AND THE OPPORTUNITY IS GREAT AND THE BELT IS TIGHT.

NOT ONLY WHAT WE ARE THINKING TODAY BUT THE THINKING OF SIX MONTHS FROM NOW BECAUSE I AM -- AM I GOING TO SUSTAIN.

AM I EVEN GOING TO BE IN BUSINESS? THOSE ARE CONVERSATIONS I AM HAVING WITH FOLKS.

AND, YOU KNOW, MY PRAYERS THAT EVERYONE STAYS ON THE SAME PLANE. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I DON'T WANT THE BUSINESSES TO COME AT US IN SOME UNEXPECTED DIRECTION TO SAY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS THINKING AT THE SAME TIME. SO.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM MAYOR.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AM REMAINING MYSELF BEFORE I BECAME A COMMISSIONER, I GOT PUT ON THE COMMITTEE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WORKED ON THIS EVERY TWO YEARS. AND I DON'T KNOW -- WE DON'T HAVE ONE ANYMORE, BUT I THINK WHAT IT IS TO GET THAT VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T HANDLE.

BECAUSE WE ARE SITTING UP HERE TRYING TO SECOND-GUESS ALL THIS

TOO. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I AM DOING IT FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WAS BE THE COMMITTEE AT ONE TIME AND I AM THINKING -- I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.

AND I AM REMEMBERING NOW IT WAS PROBABLY BACK IN THE EARLY 2

2000S WHEN I WAS -- >> THERE WAS A STATE REQUIREMENT THAT EVERY MUNICIPALITY THAT LEVIED A BUSINESS TAX -- I FORGOT -- WE ARE STUCK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

WE CAN'T CHANGE WHAT WE HAVE UNLESS THROUGH -- I THINK IT IS AN EQUITY STUDY COMMISSION.

WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT AGAIN TO CHANGE OUR

CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: TO

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WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK TO WHERE WE ARE AND HO TO RELATES TO THE REST OF THE MARKET AREA. WE ARE STILL STILL THE LOWEST AND I FEEL ON MY HEART THAT EACH ONE OF US HAVE COMMITTED TO FEEL THAT THAT BENEFIT GETS BACK TO THOSE VENDORS, COMMERCIAL VENDORS. I HAVE NO PROBLEM SUPPORTING A

5% INCREASE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANOTHER THING THINK THAT THINK OF IS -- I UNDERSTAND PRIVATE BUSINESSES AND THAT IS WHERE THE CUTTING EDGE IS.

THE CITY IS A BUSINESS TOO. CITY HAS EXPENSES THAT IT HAS TO I FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT NOW, WHO KNOW WHAT IS WE WILL HAVE IN TWO YEARS.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, COMMISSIONER, BUT SYMBOLIC AS OPPOSED TO SUBSTANTIVE, THE INCREASE.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IT IS NOW AND IS NOT GOING TO BE ONE OF THE BUSINESS EXPENSES, IS IT? GOING TO BE ONE OF MANY THAT GOES UP.

RIGHT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.

YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

JOHNSON: ONE MANY SCRATCHES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: A DEATH OF 5,000 CUTS, RIGHT. SO WHERE ARE WE.

WE WILL NEED GIVE MISS COX DIRECTION.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WHAT IS THE TIMING.

WE NEED TO GO THROUGH AN ORDINANCE WITH TWO PUBLIC

MEETINGS. >> WE NEED TO HAVE IT COMPLETE BY JULY 1 TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR BILLING CYCLE.

>> THIS IS MARCH. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: ANOTHER BITE AT THE CONFERENCE AGENDA.

SO WE CAN GET THE PULSE OF PEOPLE WATCHING IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WE HAVE TO GET IT OUT

THERE. >> CONFERENCE AGENDA OR DO IT

BY ORDINANCE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: CONFERENCE GAUGE. BETWEEN NOW AND THE OTHER CONFERENCE AGENDA WE WOULD HAVE HEARD SOMETHING BACK FROM THE

PUBLIC ON THIS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: SOMEHOW WE GOT TO ASK FOR THAT INPUT, RIGHT?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THEY HAVE TO KNOW THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING

IT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN TWO MEETINGS -- LET'S CALL IT JUNE. THE TWO MEETINGS IN JUNE WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THIS.

BUT BEFORE THAT, I HOPE THAT WE HAVE SOME ENGAGEMENT AND SOME INFORMATION BACK, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING

ABOUT? >> I'M SURE THIS WILL FIND ITS WAY OUT THERE IN THE UNIVERSE LIKE MANY OTHER THINGS.

FIND ITS WAY OUT IN THE UNIVERSE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THE PRESS MERE.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE PRESS IS ALWAYS HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT IS TRUE.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I AM SURE WE WILL HEAR SOMETHING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT COME BACK ON CONFERENCE TO AT LEAST ALLOW -- I WILL PERSONALLY TALK TO SOME BUSINESS OWNERS. I AM ONE MYSELF, RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, YEP. >> COME BACK IN NEWPAPER.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WOULD LIKE THAT.

I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

I THINK THAT IS REALLY OUR -- YEAH.

>> OKAY. >> BACK IN APRIL.

IN THE MEANTIME, DO OUR OWN RESEARCH.

WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THIS KIND OF LUXURY.

>> THANK YOU, MRS. COX FOR BRINGING THAT EARLY.

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> OKAY, NEXT WE MOVE CONTINUE TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE. LET'S MOVE ON.

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

>> ALL RIGHT, CITY COMMISSION BOARD AND COMMITTEE UPDATES.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THERE A VOLUNTEER TO START?

IF NOT, COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WILL GO FIRST. APOLOGIES.

I HAD AN EMERGENCY WITH A PLAYER.

LEFT THE HOSPITAL AND CAME H HERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM SORRY. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: FIRST UPDATE WILL BE FROM THE LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET.

WE MET THURSDAY NIGHT AND I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT OUR GREAT BLACK AND WHITE EXHIBIT.

WE HAVE MORE THAN 165 ATTE ATTENDEES.

THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL CONDUCT A SURVEY IN LINCOLN PARK TO SEE ON TOPICS OF JOB TRAINING, TRANSPORTATION, AND OTHER TOPICS THAT THAT SURVEYOR SHOULD BE GIVING OUT NEXT MO MONTH. AND THEY ARE DEVELOPING EARLY

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NEXT COMMITTEE BOO BE THE -- THE :ON HOMELESSNESS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU GOT AN EARFUL.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: DID YOU HEAR? WE MET AFTER -- WE HAD OUR FIRST TOWN HALL MEETING.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN FORT PIERCE, AND A THIRD ONE IN PORT ST. LUCIE. IT'S -- THE COMMITTEE WAS FORMED TO SEE IF WE ACTUALLY NEED A -- A COMMITTEE IN SAINT LUCY COUNTY FOR HOMELESSNESS. THERE IS A LOT OF PASSIONATE PEOPLE REGARDING HOMELESSNESS, BUT RIGHT NOW, IT IS LIKE EVERYBODY IS THROWING DARTS AT THE TARGET AND THE DARTS WHERE EVERYWHERE, SO WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE NEED TO GO AND WE ARE GOING TO STREAMLINE THE NEXT TOWN HALL MEETING NOT TO HEAR THE WAR STORIES SO TO SPEAK BUT TO COME WITH SOLUTIONS. RIGHT NOW THE TWO MAIN THINGS COMING OUT OF THE FIRST TOWN HALL MEETING ARE FUNDING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. FORT PIERCE HAD A TARGET BECAUSE THEY SAID WE HAVE ALL THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY AND NOT HAVING TO H HELP. I WOULD LIKE TO YOU KNOW COMMISSIONER JOBSON. THAT IS WHAT WE HEARD AND WE WANT HERE AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. THE OTHER COMMITTEE IS THE SKAP TREASURE COAST COUNCIL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

I THINK EVERYBODY WAS UPDATED ON THE BILLS THAT PASSED AND THE BILLS THAT DIDN'T PASS. UNFORTUNATELY SENATE BILL 620 IS SITTING ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK TO SIGN.

AND BASICALLY WHAT THAT SAYS IS IF WE AS A BOARD MAKE ANY ORDINANCE OR DO ANYTHING TO HAMPER A BUSINESS AND THAT BUSINESS CAN SHOW THAT THEY LOST 15% OF THEIR INCOME, THEY CAN SUE US FOR SEVEN YEARS OF WAGES, SEVEN YEARS OF -- OF LOSS EARNINGS. SO WE HAVE -- SO WHEN WE SEE A BUSINESS AND WE THINK THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING WE DON'T LIKE,

WE NEED TO ACT REAL QUICK. >> MAYOR HUDSON: BEFORE JUNE

1. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: REAL QUICK BECAUSE THEIR BILL IS ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK AND WILL BE SIGNED. THE SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY BILL DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF CHAMBERS AND SAFE WITH THAT.

THEY DID PASS AS I INDICATED LAST MEETING THE BAN ON SMOKING IN PARKS. SO WE -- WE CAN DO THAT.

I THINK THAT -- >>.

>>THE TREAT -- THE THING THEY WANTED TO FIX ON THE TREE BILL.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: DID PASS THE TREE PRESERVATION B BILL. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A BUNCH OF LEGAL MURDERLES TO REMOVE ANY TREES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND THAT IS A GOOD THING.

THE BIGGEST I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY BILL BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T COME TOGETHER BECAUSE ONE SENATOR WANTED 3-5. AND ANOTHER GENERAL 46.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ORIGINALLY A MILLION.

THE SAME? >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: THE SAME RIGHT NOW. LIKE I SAID THE BIG BILL OUT OF THAT WAS THE BILL 620. SENATE BILL 620 ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK TO -- FOR HIM TO SIGN AND ALL INDICATION IS HE WAS FOR IT. AND HE IS GOING TO SIGN IT.

SO WE HAVE TOO BE PREPARED FOR THEIR WITH ANY ORDINANCE WE PASS THAT A BUSINESS IS GOING TO COME AND SAY, HEY, YOU HURT MY BUSINESS AND YOU OWE ME MONEY.

SO WE GOT TO BE -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS AND I THINK NICOLE FOGERTY WROTE AN E-MAIL TO MR. MIMS AND HE SHARED IT WITH US TO GIVE US THE SPECIFICS.

IT WASN'T AS BAD AS IT STARTED OUT WITH AND NOT A GREAT THING.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: WE CALL IT -- STILL A BAD BILL.

I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT WAS SAID.- LA [LAUGHTER] -- BUT THERE IS -- IT HAS BEEN WATERED DOWN FROM THE FIRST BILL THAT CAME.

SO WE -- WE FOUGHT PRETTY GOOD, LEAGUE OF CITIES AND FOUGHT GOOD TO WATER IT DOWN AND A BILL THAT CAN COME AND BITE US SO WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL OF IT. AND I THINK THAT IS MY

COMMITTEE REPORT UPDATES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU,

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>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: SURE.

I WILL GO VERY BRIEF. MAIN STREET DOING WELL.

HAD ANOTHER GREAT WEEKEND WITH THOSE FOLKS.

ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE WITH MAIN STREET.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR BOARD MEMBERS.

WE LOST A COUPLE. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.

I BELIEVE THAT DORIS IS APPLYING -- AT LEAST WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WASN'T FOR SURE. APPLYING FOR ANOTHER GRANT WITHIN THE FLORIDA MAIN STREET. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS ABOUT AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND FIND SOMETHING TO MAKE AN APPLICATION FOR AND THEN THE TBO WE DON'T MEET UNTIL NEXT MONTH. AND THE CHAMBER AID GREAT MEETING AND TALK OF ALL THE HAPPENINGS OF DOWNTOWN.

WE TALKED ABOUT PARKING. CONTINUED TO TALK ABOUT PARKING AND SOME OF THE FOLKS WEIGHED IN ON THAT TALKED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS HAPPENING WITHIN OUR CITY NOT JUST IN DOWNTOWN BUT ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. AND THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT AS BUSINESSES AND PARTNERSHIPS, AND THEN THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE OF COURSE IS FULLY ENGAGED IN EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING AND COME WUPING OTHER IDEAS IS TO HAVE IDEAS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THAT GROUP SOON. AND VERY INTERESTED IN THE KIOSK THAT IS COMING TO TRY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD.

WILL SEE US MORE ENGAGED WITH MORE OF THE STREETSCAPEING THROUGHOUT THE CITY SPECIFICALLY IN DOWNTOWN AND THE STREETSCAPE. WE TALKED OF A PRESSURE WATCHING CONTRACT IN AREAS ACROSS THE CITY.

SO THEY WOULD -- THEY WOULD, OF COURSE, APPRECIATE ANYTHING THAT THE CITY CAN DO ON THEIR BEHALF.

OUTSIDE OF THAT, THAT'S IT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT'S GOOD?

COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: REALLY QUICK, THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COU COUNCIL. AN UPDATE AND OVERVIEW FROM THE BRIGHTLINE PEOPLE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONVERSATIONS WAS THE SAFETY AND THEY ARE CONTINUING TO DO A DEEPER DIVE ON THE SAFETY ANALYSIS AND THE CROSS GATING AND -- SPECIFIC NAME THEY CALL IT.

I CAN'T THINK OF IT RIGHT NOW, BUT NONETHELESS, THERE WILL BE SOME ENGAGEMENT SERIES COMING UP WHERE THEY WILL BE ENGAGING CITIES, MUNICIPALITIES ALONG THIS WALKWAY TO HEAR THE CONFIRMS OF THE GREAT GATE CROSSINGS AND HOW TO MAKE THEM EVEN SAFER AND SOME OF THE SIGNAGE AND THINGS THAT WILL GO INTO PLACE AND SO IT WILL BE DOUBLE TRACKING COMING ALONG HERE AND SOME INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE -- THEY HAVE CLEARED AND GONE AROUND THE GATE AND BEEN HIT BY BRIGHTLINE ITSELF. COMMENTS CAME UP AND THE ORLANDO IS ON TRACK TO BE OPEN IN 2023.

SO THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE LOOKING AT SOME STAGE -- PROBABLY LATER 2023. BUT THAT ORLANDO STATION WILL BE OPEN. AND SO IT WAS QUITE A -- WE HEARD FROM ANOTHER GENTLEMAN ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS HE IS DOING.

WE DO HAVE A JOINT MEETING COMING UP -- A WORKSHOP COMING UP WITH TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL PRETTY SOON.

GOT AN UPDATE OR A INVITATION FROM THE PORT ADVISORY BOARD.

A DATE WE WILL BE MEETING THROUGH MARCH 30.

FINGERS CROSSED. WE WENT ALL LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR WE HAVE A DATE. AND I WENT TO MET WITH STAN PAYNE AND INTRODUCED MYSELF AND TO PULL A GROUP TOGETHER TO HAVE THOSE MEETINGS AGAIN AND MORE TO COME.

MAYOR YOU WERE WITH ME AT -- PRETTY DIRECT, EMOTIONAL MEETING BUT ONE OF OUR LOCAL HEROES MR. CARL MOBILE TO BE RECOGNIZED WAS QUITE TOUCHING. YES, IT WAS QUITE TOUCHING TO SEE HIM THERE. TPO THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON WILL BE MEETING LATER THIS MONTH.

THAT'S IT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THANK YOU, MAYOR. QUICKLY, SO RETIREMENT.

WE HAD A REPORT FROM OUR CONSULTANT AND FORT PIERCE REQUIREMENTS DOING WE HAVE VERY WELL.

AS OF 12:31, THE MARKET IS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND I WOULD LIKE TO POST BY THE END OF THE YEAR. THE ASSETS WERE SHY OF $260 MILLION. AND THE ACTIVITY OF THAT LAST QUARTER WAS -- WAS ALMOST $12 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT

[02:45:02]

AND YOUR BOARD IS VERY ACTIVE TO MAKE SURE ALL THE MONEY MANAGERS ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.

PARKING. I REFERRED TO IT EARLIER.

WE DID HAVE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION ABOUT EV CHARGING STATIONS. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT TH THIRD-PARTY VENDORS THAT WOULD COME IN WITH NO COST SOLUTIONS FOR US, AND IT IS BASICALLY THEY SUPPLY ALL THE EQUIPMENT AND GIVE THEM THE SPACE, AND THEY WILL PUT IN DIFFERENT TYPE OF CHARGING STATIONS. AND I THINK WHAT IS ANTICIPATED IS CALLED THE LEVEL TWO CHARGING STATION.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IT, BUT RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CHARGING STATIONS.

HOUSE CURRENT LEVEL 1 AND LEVEL 2.

AND 24 KW AND 2800 KW THAT I DON'T THINK IS EX-EXISTS YET.

PLUG IN YOUR CAR FOR TWO MINUTES AND IT COMPLETELY CHARGES AND SOMETHING LIKE T THAT.

THIS IS A LEVEL TWO WHERE ANYTHING 15 MINUTES, SUCK TOP OFF YOUR BATTERY AND I DON'T OWN AN EV, ELECTRIC VEHICLE BUT I WILL TELL THAT YOU PEOPLE WHO DO, DON'T WAIT UNTIL I DO WITH MY GAS AND BREATHING FUMES. THIS IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.

THE PARKING COMMITTEE IDENTIFIED THE FACT THAT IF WE GIVE THE SPACES FOR CHARGING THAT WE ARE LOSING PART OF OUR INVENTORY. IT IS A GOOD CONVERSATION.

WE YOU LOOK AT THE DYNAMIC ON IT ALL, SOME THINGS THAT I LEARNED WAS THAT RIGHT NOW, AUTOMOBILES IN THE UNITED STATES, 2% OF THEM ARE ELE ELECTRIC.

RIGHT NOW. 2% RIGHT NOW, BUT BY 2038, 15 YEARS FROM NOW BASICALLY, THEY WILL TAKE OVER GAS AND DI DIESEL-POWERED VEHICLES. AND NEXT YEAR 10% AND GROW, GROW, GROW. YOU CAN SEE WHAT OUR MANUFACTURERS COMMITTED TO IN 1930 OR 036, 38.

WHERE THEY ARE ALMOST NO MORE FOSSIL FUEL VEHICLES OUT THERE THAT THEY WILL BE PRODUCING. IN SEA WORLD CHANGING RIGHT NOW AND EVEN THOUGH WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING IN FORT PIERCE, IT WILL BE DYNAMIC BUT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ADDED ALL THE TIME AND ENTERED INTO ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS INTO PARKING, ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO ACCOMMODATE THIS, BECAUSE IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT CULTURE ON ELECTRIC VEHICLES. SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET UP TO SPEED ON THAT. AND WE ARE IDENTIFYING THE FACT THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THAT RIGHT NOW IN FORT PIERCE, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN. AND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO COME

TO SOME SOLUTIONS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE ONE OF THE FIRST TO OFFER IT IN OUR GARAGE.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THAT IS A LEVEL 1 TOO.

WHEN THEY PUT IT IN NO ONE IN THE SPOT, NOW WE ARE FIGHTING OVER IT. THE SPOTS, THEY ARE FIGHTING

OVER IT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: A CLUB. IT IS A LITTLE CLUB.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: BOB, YOU HAVE FROM YOU 8 TO 9 AND I WILL BRING MY CAR -- IT ALL WORKS OUT.

JUST KNOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO STAY -- I DON'T KNOW ABOUT AHEAD. BUT TRYING TO EVEN WITH THE GAME ON THEM. OKAY.

AND LAST, SUNRISE THEATRE. WE STARTED OUR SECOND QUARTER WITH PFM, PROFESSIONAL FACILITIES MANAGEMENT CONTRACT, A 12-MONTH CONTRACT WITH MEM. WE ARE SEEING SOME VERY STRONG BENEFITS WORKING WITH THEM AND I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN -- THEY

MET WITH YOU LAST WEEK? >> NO, MR. MIMS AND SHARON --

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THEY DIDN'T MEET WITH YOU.

BUT THEY ARE MAKING THE ROUNDS AND SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE A DEFINITE BENEFIT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO ESPECIALLY IN THEIR PROGRAMMING AND TALENT, THE WAY TICKET PRICES AND ALL THE OTHER TYPE OF THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THE -- THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO DO THINGS. AND WE ARE NOT ONLY MAKING MORE MONEY AT IT, BUT WE ARE ALSO SAVING MONEY ALSO THOUGH.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE SECOND QUARTER TURNS

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OUT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA, I WANT TO YOU TO KNOW WE NEED TO BE AHEAD OF THE GAME BECAUSE A TWO TO THREE-YEAR WAIT WHEN YOU TRY ORDER A FORD F-150 ELECTRIC TRUCK. YOU GO TO TRY ONE NOW, YOU ARE ON A WAIT LIST FOR TWO OR THREE YEARS.

THEY ALREADY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE DEMAND.

>> YOU HAVE TO FIGURE THAT THERE ARE STILL 30-YEAR-OLD VEHICLES OUT ON THE ROAD RIGHT NOW AND THEY DON'T ALL BELONG

TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THEY USED TO.

BUT I AM SAYING THAT. SO 30 YEARS AND THESE NEWER EVS WILL COST MORE MONEY AND DO MORE THING.

AND WE AS AMERICANS ARE RIDE OUR GAS CARDS UNTIL THEY DON'T RIDE ANYMORE AND TOO EXPENSIVE FOR PARTS.

TOO EXPENSIVE -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: TAKES ENERGY

-- TAKES ENERGY TO RUN AN EV. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: YOU DON'T WANT TO TALK TO ME ABOUT -- WE HAVE AN INDUSTRY FOR GAS AND DIESEL THAT RUNS OUR POLITICAL WORLDS THAT I THINK IT WILL TAKE A CERTAIN A.TIME AND COST TO BE ABLE TO GET THERE. BUT I REALLY BELIEVE IT IS

GOING TO HAPPEN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THE ANALOGY

IS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: AS A CITY WE WILL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT IF WE HAVEN'T ANTICIPATED WHAT SIZE TRANSFORMER THAT WILL POWER THE GRID SYSTEM THAT WILL BE FOR THE RECHARGING STATIONS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: TELEVISION POLE WON'T BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE SIZE -- WE DON'T KNOW HOW OBNOXIOUSLY OBSCENE THEY WILL LOOK LIKE BECAUSE A LOT OF POWER MOVING THROUGH A LOT OF CONDUIT AND A LOT OF WIRE. I DON'T THINK WE REALIZE WHAT

WE ARE ASKING FOR YET. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT WE ARE

DOING WITH OURSELVES. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I AM BALL THAT, BUT SOME THINGS WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK INTO. WE ARE TRYING TO PAINT BOX THIS NOW BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO POWER OUR HOMES AND POWER THIS

BUILDING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IT IS TRUE.

I HAVE -- I THINK EVERYTHING HAS BEEN COVERED FOR ME ACCEPT -- I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE FUPA AGENDA IS OUT FOR THE MARCH 22 JOINT WORKSHOP AND I SALK TO MR. CISNEROS LAST WEEK AND THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO KNOW WHY WE ARE MEETING AND SO YOU WILL BE GETTING -- ALREADY HAVE THAT E-MAIL FROM HIM ABOUT WHAT WOULD -- THE MAIN REASON WE ARE HAVING A JOINT -- IN ADDITION TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE HAS REQUIRED FOR US TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE JOINT M MEETING A YEAR BUT IN WILL BE PREDOMINANTLY ABOUT REMOVING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IF WHAT THE PLANS ARE AND GOING TO HAVE TO -- WHAT -- WHAT RATES ARE GOING TO BE CHARGED AND WHAT COMMITMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE MADE BY BOTH FUPA AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

SO THIS IS -- MARCH 22 JOINT WORKSHOP.

AND WE ARE LOOKING AT THE E-MAIL RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE NOT SURE. OUT AT THE 37TH STREET FACILITY. I DON'T THINK IT IS IN THE E-MAIL, SO LET'S MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT IS.

>> ON EVERYBODY'S CALENDAR AND I WILL ADD THAT AGENDA AND GO

AHEAD AND POINT IT ONLINE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THIS WILL BE A REALLY IMPORTANT MEETING TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS INTO THE FUPA WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE AND WHAT THEIR TIMETABLE IS AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. SO IT INCLUDES LUNCH.

SO -- 9 TO 1. SO -- AND WITH THAT, I THINK ALL MY OTHER COMMITTEES HAVE BEEN KIND OF COVERED, ESPECIALLY THE LEGISLATIVE FROM THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: DON'T WE HAVE LEAGUE OF CITIES.

I SAW LUNCH IN VERO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: LUNCH IN VERO

IS IN APRIL -- IS IT THIS WEEK? >> ANNUAL MEETING.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: SOMETHING ON MY CALENDAR THIS

WEEK FOR VERO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IT'S -- I DON'T THINK IT IS THIS WEEK. WE ALREADY MET THIS MONTH, I THINK. LET ME JUST CHECK.

LET ME JUST CHECK MY CALENDAR. >> IT IS ON WEDNESDAY, TREASURE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES. A LUNCHEON LEARNED.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMING UP

FAST. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES:

CONFLICTING WITH MY MEETING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WILL BE THERE. EVERYBODY IS INVITED IF YOU WANT TO COME. YEAH, THEY MAY HAVE KIND OF A

WRAP-UP ON THE LEGISLATIVE -- >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH

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DOES EVERYBODY RECEIVE JIM O OPENBORN'S E-MAILS.

HE IS THE -- OH, GOSH -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: HE DOES MORRIS CREEK. I GOT THE E-MAIL ON MORRIS CREEK AND GOING ON IN MORRIS CREEK.

THEY DRAINED IT DOWN AND STOPPED THE FLOW TO GET INTO MORRIS CREEK AS PART OF THE CLEANUP.

WHAT THEY FOUND BEFORE THEY REPLENISHED.

THEY WALKED THROUGH AND SHOALSING OF CONCERN WHICH IS SAND MIGRATION. THEY WANT TO --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WITH THE HELP OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: SO I WILL FORWARD TO THE CLERK TO SEE IF YOU GUYS CAN GET ON HIS LIST.

BECAUSE GREAT INFORMATION COMES FROM HIM.

I GET -- EVERY TWO WEEKS I GET A REPORT ON THE LAGOON OR MORRIS CREEK, ASSUMING HE HAS HIS E-MAILS PREPARED.

HE AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING BACK AND FORTH THE LAST THREE, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS IN DETAIL, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MORRIS CR CREEK. BECAUSE NOT ONLY ABOUT MORRIS CREEK, THE BEAUTY OF IT, MORRIS CREEK THE WATER TREATMENT PART AND MORRIS CREEK THE WATER ELEMENT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE OWE HIM A LOT.

DEVOTED TO IT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: TIDE TO FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE.

DOING GOOD TO WORK IN MORRIS CREEK.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A GOOD GROUP. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: 30 SECONDS OR LESS. TO MADAM MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONERS, SATURDAY NIGHT, THE FIRE HAWKS RING PRESENTATION AND CHAMPIONSHIP JACKETS WAS JUST OUTSTANDING.

THE KIDS -- I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS MORE EXCITED, THE KIDS OR THEIR PARENTS. THEY HAD A GOOD TIME.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: HOW MANY

PEOPLE? >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: A FULL HOUSE. AND THE ATMOSPHERE JUST -- WENT FROM HERE ALL THE WAY FROM ZERO TO 100 REAL QUICK.

AND THE SMILE ON THE KIDS FACES AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON READING THE PROCLAMATION AND READING FROM THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND I WAS JOKING WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

WE NEVER SEEN NO -- THIS BIG. THE WINGS ARE LIKE -- THE RINGS ARE THIS BIG. THIS BIG.

>> THE CHAMPIONSHIP RINGS. >> LIKE THE SUPER BOWL.

>> THE SUPER BOWL RINGS. SO THE KIDS.

THE KIDS -- THE KIDS WERE ECSTATIC.

THE PARENTS WERE ECSTATIC. A GOOD WAY FOR THE AMERICAN CLEANUP AND A GOOD NIGHT AND A GOOD LOOK FOR THE CITY OF FORT

PIERCE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I APPRECIA%-Ú. THE GREAT AMERICAN CLEANUP. I SAW THE SHIRTS ALL OVER FORT PIERCE. I WAS REALLY, REALLY PLEASED.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF

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