Mar 29, 2022 City Commission Redistricting Public Input Workshop

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>>> I WILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS A REDISTRICTING WORKSHOP. IT IS MARCH 29. 2022.

SO PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH ÚLIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL..

>>> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> PEREMPTORY.

>> COMMISSIONER ARNOLD GAINS. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER . . .

[a. Presentation - Kurt Spitzer of Kurt Spitzer and Associates]

>>> FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A PRESENTATION BY KURT SPITTINGS ESSER.

>>> WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF HEARING MR. SPILTSER'S PRESENTATION LAST WEEK AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT ALL OVER AGAIN TONIGHT AND GET SOME PUBLIC INPUT.

>>> ALL RIGHT. MR. SPITSER. >>> YES, MA'AM.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES,. >> .

>> GREAT. AND I ASSUME YOU CAN SEE MY SCREEN AS WELL, POWERPOINT.

>> YES. >> THANKS, IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK. I WISH I WAS IN PERSON BUT MAYBE NEXT TIME. I'LL GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THAT I DID THE LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER. AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS AND CRITERIA THAT ARE COMMONLY USED. FOR THOSE WHO WERE WITH US THE LAST TIME I'M KURT SPITSER WITH KURT SPITSER AND ASSOCIATES. THE COMPANY HAS BEEN [INDISCERNIBLE] SINCE 1989, AND PRIOR TO THAT I WAS WITH THE SOUTH KOREA OF COUNTIES FOR TEN YEARS.

C KS.A. HAS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOCUS IN TERMS OF THE SERVICES IT PROVIDED AND WE'VE REDISTRICT 30 COUNTIES OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS OR SO. SO JUST TO THE BIB BIB, REDISTRICTLY TYPICALLY OCCURS EVERY TEN YEARS AFTER THE CENSUS ALTHOUGH IT CAN OCCUR MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THAT. BUT IT'S THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE LEGISLATIVE BODY WHETHER IT IS THE FLOOR LEGISLATURE, THE COUNTY COMMISSION, A CITY COUNCIL OR CITY COMMISSION EQUALIZES THE DIFFERENCES IN POPULATION BETWEEN THE VARIOUS DISTRICTS BY ADJUSTING THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. THAT'S HOW WE DO THAT OF REDISTRICTING IS APPORTIONMENT.

THE REAPPORTIONMENT IS WHEN CONGRESS LOOKS AT THE UPDATED POPULATION INFORMATION FOR EACH OF THE 50 STATES AND DECIDES IF A STATE SHOULD GAIN A SEAT OR LOSE ONE OR MORE SEATS.

NEXT OF FLORIDA THIS PAST TIME WE GAINED ONE CONGRESSIONAL SEAT AND [INDISCERNIBLE] WE LOST ONE SEAT. WHY DO WE DO THIS? WELL, NEXT OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IT'S REQUIRED IN THE CHARTER. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING AND MORE IMPORTANTLY REDISTRICTING FURTHERS THE PRINCIPLE OF ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE, WHETHER IT'S IN THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF THE CONSTITUTION OR THE RYE TO VOTE CLAUSE OR IN THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965. SO THERE ARE SOME GENERAL CRITERIA THAT WE FOLLOW IN THE PROCESS AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THESE IN GREATER DETAIL IN A SECOND.

BUT POPULATION IS THE DOMINANT CRITERIA AND DISTRICTS SHOULD BE A TERM OF ART AS NEARLY EQUAL IN POPULATION AS PRACTICABLE OR POSSIBLE. ABSOLUTE POPULATION EQUALITY IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ATTAIN, ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY IN THE CASE OF FORT PIERCE WE CAME PRETTY DARN CLOSE. POPULATION DOES NOT EQUAL REGISTERED VOTERS.

IT'S THE TOTAL POPULATION WITHIN THE CITY OR THE COUNTY. IF A COUNTY GOVERNMENT --

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GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN POPULATION OF MORE THAN TEN PERCENTAGE POINTS TEEN THE LARGEST AND THE SMALLEST DISTRICT, ABOUT TEN PERCENT, TEN PRINCIPAL PERCENTAGE POINTS THAT RAISES A RED FLAG IN THE COURTS. THIS EXAMPLE HERE IS IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, FLORIDA A FEW YEARS AGO, AND IN THIS CASE DISTRICT FOUR WAS FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT OVER THE AVERAGE OF THE IDEAL DISTRICT SIZE, DISTRICT FIVE WAS ABOUT 7.4 PERCENT UNDER SO THAT WAS ALMOST 13 POINTS, MORE THAN 10 POINTS SO THEY HAD TO ADJUST FOR BOUNDARIES. THE SECOND CRITERIA IS WE DRAW UP PLANS DO NOT DELETE MINORITY VOTING STRENGTH. THERE ARE TWO WAYS THAT THE VOTING STRENGTH OF A PROTECTED GROUP IS DILUTED IN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS. PACKING, WHICH IS WHERE WE ROTATE MOST OF THE MINORITY POPULATION IN ONE DISTRICT [INDISCERNIBLE] WHERE WE SPLIT THE POPULATION INTO TWO OR MORE DISTRICTS SO AS TO DILUTE THEIR INFLUENCE, SO THERE ARE PLANS THAT DO ONE OF THOSE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WE USE SET CENSUS BLOCKS.

CENSUS BLOCKS ARE READILY AVAILABLE. THIS IS THE SMALLEST UNIT OF INFORMATION WITHIN WHICH THE DATA FROM THE MONTHS RECENT CENSUS IS AVAILABLE.

CENSUS DATA IS PRESUMED TO BE CORRECT. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE DONE THIS THAT THIS USUALLY OCCURS MIDSTREAM IN THE PROCESS, IN YEARS SIX, SEVEN, EIGHTER NINE, IN A CYCLE WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO UPDATE THE PREVIOUS CENSUS INFORMATION WITH THE CURRENT INFORMATION. AND YOU CAN DO THAT BUT YOU NEED TO DOCUMENT THE BOUNDARIES AS WHY AND YOU NEED TO DOCUMENT YOUR MEDDLING AND WHY YOU'RE DOING THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE OCCASION WITH FORT PIERCE. THE DATA THAT COMES DOWN FROM THE BUREAU OF CENSUS COMES DOWN BY STATE AND COUNTY AND TRACKS, WHICH IS A GROUP OF CENSUS BROADCAST, AND THEN INDIVIDUAL BLOCKS. AND WITHIN EACH BLOCK, [INDISCERNIBLE] A LOT OF DIFFERENT INFORMATION, BUT MORE TO THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, INFORMATION ON WAY THAT NUMBERS OF PEOPLE IN THAT PARTICULAR BLOCK, THAT SORT OF STUFF.

WE TRY TO DRAW BOUNDARIES THAT IN THE SIMPLEST TERMS MAKE EDGES SENSE, THEY'RE EASY TO UNDERSTAND FOR THE VOTERS SO HOW DO WE DO THAT. WELL, TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN, FOLLOW THE EXISTING DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. WE ALSO TRY TO FOLLOW MAJOR ROADWAYS OR NATURAL FEATURES SUCH AS WATER BODIES. THE EASIER TO UNDERSAND FOR THE VOTERS, IT'S LESS DISRUPTIVE TO PREDICTS, LESS WORK FOR THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND IT'S USUALLY DETERMINES WHERE CENSUS BLOCK BOUNDARIES. WE TRY TO AVOID SPLITTING CENSUS BLOCKS IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. DISTRICTS MUST BE CONTIGUOUS, YOU CAN'T HOPSCOTCH FROM ONE DISTRICT TO ANOTHER. NEXT OF FORT PIERCE WE HAVE TWO DISTRICTS, SO THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE. THE ATTEMPT TO KEEP COMMUNITIES OF INTEREST TOGETHER [INDISCERNIBLE] NEXT OF COUNTIES OR THE STATE WE TRY TO NOT SPLIT CITIES.

WE AVOID DISTRICTS THAT HAVE SO-CALLED BIZARRE SHAPES [INDISCERNIBLE], WHERE THAT TERM CAME FROM, MASSACHUSETTS MANY YEARS AGO DREW THIS PLAN FOR REDISTRICTING AND SOMEBODY SAID

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A MORE MODERN DAY EXAMPLE, AND THIS IS I THINK 20 YEARS AGO, IF NOT 30 YEARS AGO, THIS WAS A CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA THAT WAS THROWN OUT BY THE COURT SO THIS IS WHAT THAT SHAPE LOOKS LIKE JUST BY ITSELF. WE AVOID BIZARRE SHAPES.

AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE CHARTER ITSELF IT SPEAKS TO HAVING TWO ELECTION DISTRICTS AND THE BOUNDARIES SHALL BE ADJUSTED WITH POPULATION CHANGES AS REPORTED BY THE CENSUS SO THE POPULATE OF THE TWO DISTRICTS REMAINS IN YOUR TERMINOLOGY APPROXIMATELY EQUAL.

SO IN SUMMARY FASHION THOSE ARE THE GENERAL CRITERIA OF THE PROCESS.

THE LEGISLATIVE BODY THAT MAKES THE FINAL DECISION FOR THE PARTICULAR JURISDICTION.

MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY REDISTRICTING PLAN TO ATTAIN 100 PERCENT COMPLIANCE WITH ALL OF THE CRITERIA, SO WHAT WE DO IS RECOGNIZING THAT POPULATION IS THE DOMINANT CRITERIA, WE BALANCE THE OTHER CRITERIA IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER, AND DEVELOP THE BEST PLAN THAT WE CAN GIVEN THE UNIQUE CHARACTERISTICS OF EACH CITY AND COUNTY IN FLORIDA. SO THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE THE CITY IS THAT WE WOULD DETERMINE IF THERE'S A NEED TO REDISTRICT, AND THERE WAS A NEED AND THEN WE WILL DEVELOP TWO ALTERNATIVE PLANS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST THING THAT WE DO IS WE -- WHAT'S CALLED LAYER THE NEW POPULATION INFORMATION ON TOP OF THE EXISTING DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. AND THEN YOU CAN TELL BASED ON THE 2020 CENSUS HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE IN EACH DISTRICT AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A NEED TO CHANGE THE BOUNDARYSS TO EQUALIZE THE -- GET CLOSER TO ZERO IN TERMS OF DEVIATION FROM THE AVERAGE SIZE FOR EACH OF THE DISTRICTS. SO WHAT WE FIND IS THAT IN DISTRICT ONE, THERE'S 222,201 PEOPLE. IN DISTRICT TWO, 25,187. AND SO WITH TWO DISTRICTS INSTEAD OF FOUR OR SOME OTHER HIGHER NUMBER, THE DEVIATIONS OVER AND UNDER ARE ALWAYS EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER. BUT IN YOUR CASE. AS SIMILAR TO JEFFERSON COUNTY, FLORIDA, TURNOUT AT 12 AND A HALF POINTS OF A SPREAD OF DIFFERENCE, SO THAT'S WHY YOU NEED TO ADJUST YOUR DISTRICT BOUNDARYIES. ON THIS TABLE THERE THERE WILL A TABLE LIKE THIS IN ALL THE ALTERNATIVE MAPS THAT WE'LL DISCUSS LATER ON BUT LET ME GO THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT CLEAN UPS. THE NEXT GROUP OF [INDISCERNIBLE] THERE ARE TWO COLUMNS EACH CONCERNING RACE, WHITE, BLACK AND OTHER.

THE COLUMNS FOR WHITE AND BLACK ARE THE RESPONSES OF PERSONS HO FILLED OUT THE CENSUS FORM AND SAID I AM A SINGLE RACE WHITE PERSON OR I AM A SINGLE RACE BLACK PERSON.

THE CENSUS FORM HAS -- I BELIEVE IT'S 15 CATEGORIES OF RACE THAT PEOPLE MAY CHECK IN ADDITION TO HANDWRITING IN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY LISTED ON THE FORM T.

AND SO IN THE OTHER CATEGORY THESE ARE A GROUP OF PERSON WHO WERE NOT SINGLE RACE WHITE OR SINGLE RACE BLACK, PERHAPS AMERICAN INDIAN, ASIAN AMERICAN, PACIFIC ISLANDER, OR THEY ARE

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IF YOU ADD OTHER BLACK AND WHITE TOGETHER, YOU WILL GET THE POPULATION OF THE PARTICULAR DISTRICT OR THE TOTAL POPULATION OF THE CITY. AND THE LAST TWO COLUMNS CONCERN HISPANIC ETHNICITY. WHEN THEY TOOK THE CENSUS A PERSON WHO IS EITHER HISPANIC BACKGROUND ORTH IN ETHNICITY IST A RACE. I MIGHT SAY THAT I AM A SINGLE RACE WHITE PERSON BUT I HAVE A HISPANIC BACKGROUND AND SO THAT'S WHAT HISPANIC IS.

BUT IT'S NOT -- IT'S SPREAD AMONGST THE OTHER RACIAL CATEGORY AS REPORTED TO THE CENSUS. SO WE USE THE EXISTING DISTRICTS MAP AND WITH A 12 AND A HALF OR SO LITTLE BIT GREATER PRINCIPAL POINT SPREAD BETWEEN THE LARGEST AND THE SMALLEST DISTRICT. THE FIRST MAP THAT WE PREPAREED TAKES SOME POPULATION FROM DISTRICT TWO AND MOVES THAT OVER INTO DISTRICT ONE. AND THAT BASICALLY FOLLOWS VIRGINIA AVENUE TO 13TH STREET, SOUTH 13TH STREET TO GEORGIA AVENUE AND THEN GOES EAST ALONG THE 15TH BOUNDARY AND IN THIS CASE IT'S A NICE CLEAN DIVIDING LINE, IT'S A BOUNDARY THAT'S EASILY UNDERSTOOD AND TENDS TO FOLLOW THE EXISTING BOUND RES TO THE GREATEST EXTENT POSSIBLE.

THE SECOND PLAN HERE IS THE POPULATION IN THE SAME GENERAL CENTRAL AREA OF THE CITY.

BUT HERE WE GO ALONG GEORGIA. GO SOUTH ON SOUTH 13TH STREET AND IT MAKE A DOG LEG TO OHIO AVENUE UNTIL IT HITS U.S. ONE AND THEN GOES NORTH AND CONTINUES WITH THE BALANCE OF THE EXISTING BOUNDARY BETWEEN DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT TWO. SO THIS IS A SIMPLE TABLE OF THE CURRENT DISTRICTS AND THE ALTERNATIVE DRAFT PLAN. THE DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE LARGEST AND THE SMALLEST DISTRICT IS JUST UNDER 3,000 PEOPLE.

DISTRICT ONE IS AS YOU CAN SEE 1483, DISTRICT TWO IS 1383 OVER. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENCE THERE OF ALMOST A TOTAL OF 2,000 PEOPLE. -- A THOUSAND PEOPLE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVE ONE, THE DISCREPANCY COMES COUNT TO 200 PEOPLE AND ALTERNATIVE TWO COMES DOWN TO AROUND 140 OR SO PEOPLE. SO IT'S A VERY CLOSE IN TERMS OF POPULATION BETWEEN THE LARGEST AND THE SMALLEST DISTRICT. IT MAINTAINS DISTRICT ONE AS A SIGNIFICANT MINORITY AND MAJORITY DISTRICT, AND MAINTAINS BOTH DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF HISPANIC INFLUENCE AND ABOUT THE SAME NUMBERS AS THE CURRENT DISTRICTS. SO NOW I CAN TAKE QUESTIONS NOW OR I CAN JUMP OVER TO THE SOFTWARE LIKE WE DID LAST WEEK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME. AND WHATEVER YOUR PLEASURE MIGHT BE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. SPITSER AT THIS POINT? OKAY, JUMP OTHER TO THE

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SOFTWARE. >> OKAY. YOU'RE SEEING THIS MAP NOW?

>> NOT YET. >> NOT YET. OKAY.

HOW ABOUT NOW? >> YES. >> GOOD.

OKAY. SO THIS IS A MAP OF THE CURRENT DISTRICTS, AND WITH THE FIRST ALTERNATIVE, THE BOUNDARY CHANGE IS RIGHT IN THE CENTRAL PART OF THE CITY.

IT'S AROUND THE SPORTS COMPLEX, AND THEN THE REGIONAL MEDICAL CENTER HERE.

ALL OF THESE SHAPES ARE CENSUS BLOCKS, AND LET'S JUST PICK OUT ONE RIGHT HERE.

AND THE SOFTWARE -- [INDISCERNIBLE] LET'S TRY OVER HERE.

IN THIS CASE, FOR THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 36 PEOPLE HERE.

13 WHITE, SEVEN BLACK, 16 OTHER. FOLKS, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, BLOCKS AREN'T NECESSARILY BLOCK SHAPED, BUT THIS IS HOW THIS -- IN URBAN AREAS I WOULD SAY THEY GENERALLY FOLLOW CITY STREETS AND CITY BLOCKS. BUT NOT NECESSARILY AND SO YOU KNOW, HERE'S ANOTHER BLOCK AND HERE WE ARE 153 PEOPLE IN THIS PARTICULAR BLOCK THAT HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY LIVE HERE, 113 ARE WHITE, 12 BLACK, 27 OTHER. SO IT'S JUST -- THIS IS HOW THE CENSUS WORKS. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, THIS AREA HERE WOULD BE MOVED FROM DISTRICT TWO INTO DISTRICT ONE. IN THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN, IT TAKES A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT APPROACH AND UNTIL A NEARBY AREA, BUT THIS AREA HERE WOULD BE MOVED CURRENTLY FROM DISTRICT TWO INTO DISTRICT ONE. THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR NORTH IN TF THE APPROACH, THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF PERSONS THAT ARE MOVED. PLAN TWO HAS A SLIGHTLY BETTER -- SLIGHTLY LOIRE SPREAD IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE POINT SPREADS TEEN THE LARGEST AND THE SMALLEST DISTRCT BUT IT REALLY IS ALMOST IMMATERIAL. THIS IS -- YOU'RE SO CLOSE WITH THESE PARTICULAR OPTIONS THAT I'M NOT SURE IF I WOULD WORRY ABOUT THE SPREAD TOO MUCH.

WE'RE INVOLVES IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS NOW WHERE WE HAVE -- BECAUSE OF OTHER COMPETING CRITERIA, THE PLANS THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED HAVE SPREAD EIGHT NONPOINTS SO SOLVE SOMETHING THAT IS BASICALLY AROUND ONE POINT OR LESS IS REALLY AN AMAZING THING TO HAVE.

SO THIS IS THE DIFFERENT -- THE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED, I THINK CERTAINLY THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED , BUT THIS AREA HERE IS THE AREA OF THE CITY THAT IS MORE DENSELY POPULATEED TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN OTHER AREAS,

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SO MADAM MAYOR I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOUR COLLEAGUES OR MEMBERS OF THE

PUBLIC MIGHT HAVE. >>> ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. SPITSER?

COMMISSIONER GAINS. >> THANK YOU MR. SPITSER. I ASKED THIS QUESTION AT THE LAST WORK SHOP AND I WANT TO ASK IT AGAIN. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE HERE AND WHO ARE LISTENING WHY THE BOUNDARY LINES ARE MOVED NOTICE THE CITY LIMITS

AND NOT OUT THE CITY LIMITS? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. >> YES, SIR.

FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE REDISTRICTING THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS.

AND TO -- YOU CAN'T -- I SHOULDN'T -- I WON'T SIGH SAY YOU CAN'T, BUT IF THERE'S A -- U CAN AT TIMES UNDERPOPULATE DISTRICTS BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT THEY ARE RAPIDLY GROWING, RIGHT AND YOU KNOW THAT FIVE OR TEN YEARS FROM NOW THOSE WILL BE AREAS THAT WOULD BE MORE RAPIDLY GROWING. BUT AND WE'RE IN THE -- THE PLAN DOES THAT.

BUT THE AREA THAT WE'RE DOING THAT FROM IS AN AREA THAT'S ALREADY INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH EFFORTS THAT HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR POPULATION THAT IS NOT REALLY INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS YET. AND AS AN EXAMPLE, WE JUST FINISHED WITH THE CITY OF NORTH MIAMI AND THERE WAS A BRIEF DISCUSSION THERE ABOUT INCLUDING THE -- UNDERPOPULATING A PARTICULAR DISTRICT THAT WAS GIANT TO AN -- ADJACENT TO AN AREA -- PEOPLE SEEMED TO BE CONFIDENTIALITY CONFIDENT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE ANNEXED BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY ABANDONED THAT IDEA BECAUSE IT WAS NOT INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. IT WAS A POPULATION THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE CITY BUT NOT INSIDE THE CITY OR POPULATION THAT WE HOPE TO GETTED GET INSIE CITY, IT'S ONLINE NOT REALLY IN THE CITY THOUSAND BUT I THINK YOU RUN THE RIB OF BEING CHALLENGED BASED ON INACCURATE DATA THAT WAS USED IN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. SPITSER?

PLEASE. >> MR. SPITSER, IF WE CAN REVIEW THIS ONE MORE TIME, I'M A PATIENT TYPE PERSON, SO AS I LOOK AT THIS MAP HERE AND WE HAVE TWO DISTINCT PROPOSALS HERE LOOKING AT TRIES FOR REDISTRICTING, SO FIRST QUESTION IS WE'RE NOT DOING AWAY WITH ANY DISTRICTS HERE, WE'RE WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE TWO DISTRICTS, DISTRICT ONE, DISTRICT TWO.

>> CORRECT. UNLESS THAT'S CHANGED BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S -- WE'RE TALKING

ABOUT REDISTRICTING THE EXISTING TWO DISTRICTS. >> RIGHT.

>> AND THOSE DISTRICTS, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, THE COURT IS YOU HAVE TWO DISTRICTS IN THE PAST ALTHOUGH PEOPLE ARE ELECTED ON A CITY WIDE BASIS, THE COURT REJECTED THAT PRACTICE BUT KEPT THE TWO DISTRICT. BUT AS YOU KNOW THERE ARE NOW TWO COMMISSIONERS ELECTED FOR

EACH OF THE TWO DISTRICTS PLUS THE MAYOR WHO IS CITY WIDE. >> AND THAT WILL ALWAYS REMAIN, SO LOOKING AT THE MAP THE PROPOSED ALTERNATIVE ONE, COULD YOU PROVIDE A BETTER ZOOM IN ON

THAT PLEASE. >> YES. AND I CAN SWITCH TO A -- A

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>> RIGHT. AND IN THIS AREA HERE THIS AREA WAS DRAWN BASED ON POPULATION

NUMBERS BASED ON CENSUS DATA, CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

>> SO THIS BRINGS US INTO A VARIANCE OF APPROXIMATELY WHAT AGAIN?

WHAT'S THE NUMBER DIFFERENCE? >> A DIFFERENCE THAT WAS 200 PEOPLE, IT WOULD BE LESS THAN ONE PERCENTAGE POINT BETWEEN THE LARGEST AND THE SMALLEST DISTRICT.

>> RIGHT. AND FOR THOSE OF US THAT LIVE LOCAL HERE THAT'S 13TH STREET RUNNING PARALLEL HERE AND THEN THAT'S WHAT, VIRGINIA AVENUE AT THE BOTTOM HERE.

COULD YOU POINT TO THAT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. THIS IS VIRGINIA, THEN THIS IS

SOUTH 13TH. >> THAT WAS SQUARED OFF AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROPOSALS? RIGHT AND IF YOU COULD DO THE SAME FOR ME ON THE ALTERNATIVE NUMBER TWO,

PLEASE. >> . >> SORRY, MY COMPUTER IS RATHER SLOW. SO ON THE ALTERNATIVE TWO, IT'S ADJACENT TO THE SAME AREA BUT IT FOLLOWS SOUTH 13TH SOUTH. MAKES A LITTLE DOG LEG -- NOW, THIS IS OHIO AVENUE HERE.

GOING INTO U.S. ONE AND THEN CONTINUES UP THE CURRENT BOUNDARY OF U.S. ONE NORTH.

>> ALL RIGHT. SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, THAT'S ACTUALLY MISSISSIPPI I THINK THAT COMES IN AND THEN IT COMES BACK, SO THAT'S THE AREA JUST NORTH OF WITH A WE KNOW HERE IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY AS DAN MCCARTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. BUT IT THEN CONTINUES OVER TO U.S. ONE. SO AND WHAT'S THE VARIANCE FOR THIS ONE AGAIN?

>> IT'S A LITTLE BELT BETTER BUT IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF 140 PEOPLE THAT THE SPREAD IS .6 POINTS TEEN THE LARGEST AND THE SMALLEST SO IT'S -- THEY'RE BOTH VERY GOOD IN TERMS OF THE SPREADS BETWEEN THE LARGEST AND THE SMALLEST DISTRICTS. I THINK REALLY, IF -- YOU KNOW, UNLESS THERE'S SOME OTHER CONCEPT THAT'S OFFERED HERE IT'S WITH YOUR POLICY DECISION IS ALTERNATIVE ONE OR TWO I THINK YOU KNOW, YOU ALL WOULD HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THESE AREAS THAT I DON'T, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S REALLY -- I WOULDN'T FOCUS TOO MUCH ON THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE SPREAD BETWEEN PLAN ONE AND PLAN TWO, THEY'RE SO CLOSE THAT IT'S

ALMOST IMMATERIAL NORTH IN TERMF THE POPULATION ASPECT. >> COMMISSION CENTER PALOMA.

AND ON THAT LEAN, SO WHEN YOU THE TAKE A LOOK, YOU WENT ALL THE CRITERIA, NUMBER IS POPULATION, NUMBER TWO IS THE MINORITY STRENGTH IN THAT REGION OR THAT DISTRICT, AND THEN YOU GO TO BOUNDARIES. NOW, WHEN -- I MEAN, I'M GOING THROUGH AND THEY LOOK PRETTY WELL EVEN BUT WHEN YOU GO TO BOUNDARIES I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I'M HEARING WORDS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH THAT SAY DOG LEG, GO RIGHT, NORTH, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO DESCRIBE ALTERNATIVE ONE THAN IT IS TO DESCRIBE ALTERNATIVE TWO. BECAUSE YOU REALLY JUST HAVE A RIGHT ANGLE. SO THE WHOLE ISSUE IS JUST A RIGHT ANGLE.

WHERE THIS OTHER ONE SEEMS SOMEWHAT CONVOLUTED AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT OVER THE YEARS WHEN

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TWO. >>> THE NEW BOUNDARIES IN TARIFF ONE ARE IN ANY OPINION EASIER TO

UNDERSTAND THAN THE BOUNDARIES OF ALTERNATIVE TWO. >>> AND I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT IF WE THINK BACK ON THE CRITERIA YOU GAVE US, WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO GET AS MANY AS THOSE AS POSSIBLE THAT YOU SAID POPULATION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CONTIGUOUS AND COMPACT AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT MAKE SENSE TO ME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. SPITSER? >> JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR. MR. SPITSER CAN YOU GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL SLIDE WHERE YOU HAD THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS FROM 2012 MAP AND TO THE NUMBERS WE HAVE TODAY OF ALL THE CRITERIA,

WHERE YOU HAD THE THREE NUMBER . >> I. ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE

THAT NOW, THAT SLIDE? LET>> LET ME FIX MY GLASSES. >> SO THE TOP TABLE IS THE EXISTING DISTRICTS USING THE 2020 POPULATION AND THEN ALTERNATIVE ONE AND ALTERNATIVE

TWO. >>> AND IN THIS GRAPH IT SHOWS ALL OF THE BREAKDOWNS THAT YOU DID, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND ALL OF THE NUMBERS ON THIS PAGE TO GET YOU TO WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT THE TWO DISTRICTS AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE TWO DISTRICTS BUT THESE ARE THE BREAKDOWNS OF THE NUMBERS THAT WILL BE CHANGED IF ALTERNATIVE ONE OR ALTERNATIVE TWO IS CHOSEN, CORRECT?

THAT'S HOW WE READ THIS SHEET? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> THANK YOU, SIR, I HAVE NO

FURTHER QUESTIONS. >>> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR.

>> MR. SPITZER, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TURN OFF YOUR NOTES. IT'S SMALL ON OUR SCREEN HERE,

THE CHART, IF YOU'RE ABLE THE TO THE TURN OFF YOUR NOTES SETTING. >> THAT BETTER?

>> THIS WE GO, THANK YOU. AND IF YOU CAN GO BACK ONE SLIDE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, WHICH I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU STATED EARLIER TODAY IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH SLIDE AS LONG AS THE MAP IS HERE THAT WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT REORGANIZING THE DISTRICTINGS BASED ON THE AREA IN RED AND THE AREA IN BLUE ONLY, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT, THE SYMBOL YOU OF THIS MAP IS THAT THE RED AND BLUE IS INTENDED TO SHOW THE CURRENT DISTRICTS SO USING THIS AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS ALTERNATIVE TWO.

THE -- AND THE BLACK LINE THERE, THAT AREA IN THE NORTHERN PART OF DISTRICT TWO WOULD BE MOVED

INTO DISTRICT ONE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

T AND OTHER PART IS I BELIEVE I TOUCHED ON IT LAST TIME WE SPOKE WHEN WE WERE HERE, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR CREDENTIALS AND HOW MANY FOLKS THAT YOU'VE DONE THIS FOR, HOW MANY

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PROFESSIONAL DOING THIS? >> WE'VE -- IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 30 MOSTLY CITIES AND COUNTIES, ALTHOUGH WE'VE DONE SOME SCHOOL BOARDS IN THERE AS WELL.

JURISDICTIONS, BUT 25 OR 30 OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS OR SO. THERE WERE THREE THAT WERE CHALLENGED IN COURT. ONE WAS JEFFERSON COUNTY AND THE BASIS OF THE CHALLENGE THERE WAS THAT THE PLAINTIFF SAID YOU SHOULD NOT COUNT PRESENT POPULATION, I BELIEVE IT'S A STATE [INDISCERNIBLE] IN JEFFERSON COUNTY, IT'S A COUNTY WITH 15,000 MAYBE 16,000 PEOPLE, AND THERE WERE 2,000 PEOPLE -- 2200 PEOPLE AS I RECALL IN THE STATE CORRECTIONAL FACILITY, SO THAT VERY MUCH DISTORTED THE POPULATION THERE. AND SO THAT WAS CHALLENGED AND THE CHALLENGE WAS UPHELD BY A FEDERAL -- DISTRICT COURT IN TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA.

THE COUNTY WENT BACK AND REDID THE MAP UNDER THE NEW CASE LAW AND WHAT WAS IRONIC ABOUT THAT CASE IS THAT THE DAY BEFORE THE NEW MAPS WERE DUE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE COURT, THE U.S.

SUPREME COURT SAID THAT -- IT WASN'T EXACTLY ON POINT IN TERMS OF PRISON POPULATION BUT THEY DID SAY THAT PLANS THAT ACCOUNT -- THAT ARE BASED ON TOTAL POPULATION OF THE -- IN THIS CASE IT IS THE STATE, ARE ACCEPTABLE. NOW, THAT SAID, I THINK THE CASE LAW ON COUNTING PRISON POPULATION OR NOT IS SORT OF MOVING INTO AN AREA WHERE YOU DO NOT COUNT PRISON POPULATION. LAST YEAR WE REDISTRICTED COLUMBIA COUNTY, WHICH HAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT FACILITYINGS IN ITS BOUNDARIES AND WE DID NOT COUNT PRISON POPULATION AND THAT PLAN WAS NOT CHALLENGED. WE ALSO WERE -- PLANS THAT WE DEVELOPED FOR THE CITY OF QUINCY. THEY WERE CHALLENGED IN COURT, ALTHOUGH THAT -- WE WERE DEPOSED IN THAT PROCEEDING. BUT THE CITY OF QUINCY'S PLAN WAS UP HELD AND THEN ALSO IN SARASOTA COUNTY, FLORIDA, A PLAN THAT WE DID NOT ORIGINALLY DEVELOP BUT WE DID -- THE COUNTY COMMISSION SORT OF GRAVITATED TO THIS PLAN, WE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ADJUSTMENTS TO THE PLAN AND THAT PLAN WAS CHANNELED IN COURT AND AS WITH THE CITY OF QUINCY THE ACTION OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER WAS UPHELD IN COURT. OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. JUST WANTED TO GATHER MORE UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORK YOU'VE BEEN DOING AND THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN TOO OFTEN BECAUSE WE DO A CENSUS EVERY TEN YEARS, SO OBVIOUSLY YOU MAY BE TASKED WITH SOME WORK -- HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE WORK BETWEEN EVERY TEN YEARS BUT THAT'S NOT UP TO US. SO I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. THE OTHER ELEMENT THAT WE WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT, AND HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE AND I KNOW OUR CITY CLERK TALKED ABOUT IT LAST TIME, HAVE YOU HAD A CANCELS CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH OUR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OR NOT?

AND IT'S OKAY IF YOU SAY NO OR YES. >> NOT DIRECTLY BUT I RECEIVEED A -- I BELIEVE IT WAS A PHONE CALL YESTERDAY FROM -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS SOMEBODY WHO'S AN EMPLOYEE OF THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OR IT WAS A CONSULTING FIRM THAT IS ASSISTING THE

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WE PROVIDED THE SHAPE FILES TO THEM THIS MORNING BUT I'VE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM

>>> OKAY, THANK YOU. MISS COX ARE YOU HEARD FROM THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, ANY

ADDITIONAL INPUT OR CONVERSATION? >> NO, U I'VE HEART NOTHING AND

I WASN'T AWARE OF THE SHAPE FILES EITHER. >>> AND THAT'S --

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS DEBORAH AND I'M A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FOR THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE. ACTUALLY JOHN SPRATLIN WILL BE DOING THE CHANGES SO WHAT WE'RE WAITING ON IS THE UPDATED MAP SO THAT WE CAN GO ON AND GET STARTED.

BECAUSE THE ELECTION THAT WE HAVE IN AUGUST. >> THANK YOU.

>> SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF THAT AND TO MOVE IT FORWARD AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT -- SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND I'M GLAD YOU PEREMPTORIED THAT INFORMATION AND REMINDSED US THAT WE HAVE AN ELECTION IN AUGUST THAT WE HAVE TO BE READY FOR.

SO I WAS GOING THROUGH AND I DID SOME MORE RESEARCH THROUGH THE THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WEBSITE AND JUST LOOKING AT -- THERE'S BETWEEN PRECINCTS WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AS IDENTIFIED BY THIS SOE WEBSITE AND I THINK A LOT OF US ARE FAMILIAR IN THIS AREA THAT THERE ARE PRECINCTS THERE ON OLEANDER AVENUE AND THE HABIT CENTER AND THEN OF COURSE GOING TO THE OUTSKIRTS IN OUR BOUNDARIES SO I IMAGINE, AND I DON'T KNOW BUT WE RELY ON OUR PROGRESSALS TO TELL US THAT NOT TOO MANY PRECINCTS WILL CHANGE. THEY MAY CHANGE BASED ON THE SIZE AND OF THE FACILITY AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO VISIT BUT THAT WAS A QUESTION I RECEIVED WAS OH MY GOOD NECESSARY DO I HAVE TO CHANGE PRECINCTS AND SO I STARTED THINKING ABOUT DISTANCE OF TRAVEL FOR FOLKS TO COME AND VOTE SO I THOUGHT IT WAS A VALID CONVERSATION AND QUESTION SO I WANTED TO BRING IT UP. SO THANK YOU.

>> I REMEMBER WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE MAPS, I EYEBALLED IT AND I THINK BOTH OF THESE ARE WITHIN PRECINCT SEVEN, WHICH IS A BIG PRECINCT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor.The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> YES, IT WILL BE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC BUT IF I MAY I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME SO WOULD YOU

MIND COMING TO THE MICROPHONE. >> IF YOU WOULD COME FIRST, I'M NOT -- IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING AND

NOW STATE YOUR NAME. >> MY NAIL NAME IS DEBORAH, LAST NAME IS HOLM, HOLM, AND ACTUALLY

I'M THE COORDINATOR FOR THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> NOT A PROBLEM. >> WE'LL HAVE THIS HOPEFULLY COMPLETE BY THE FIRST OF MAY --

>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR. >> ALL RIGHT.

ARE WE READY MS. COX? >> WE HAVE A LIMITATION OF THREE MINUTES.

WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU START AND MS. COX WILL GIVE YOU

A THREE MINUTE WARNING. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARIO WILCOXING 5227 OAKLAND LAKE CIRCLE FLORIDA. MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, FIRST OFFER OFF THANK YOU MS. DATABASE DEBORAH FOR YOUR TESTIMONYING -- AND THE FIRST WORKSHOP OF THE SUPERVISOR OF HEALTH CARE OFFICE BEING INVOLVED INSIDE THE PROCESS.

THOUGH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY MUST BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS AS WELL.

THIS SHOULD HAVE OCCURRED INSIDE BEGINNING. THIS IS WHY WE NEED A

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NOW, THE FIRST POINT IS THE HIBISCUS COMMUNITIES THAT'S WHAT I KNOW THEM AS BEING MOVED TO DISTRICT ONE. I OPPOSE IT BECAUSE WHY WOULD YOU MOVE THEM OUT OF DISTRICT TWO AND MAKE THEM A MINORITY IN ANOTHER DISTRICT, THUS LESSENING THEIR CHANCE OF BEING ABLE THE CHOOSE A REPRESENTATIVE OF THEIR CHOICE, WHICH DOES NOT GIVE THEM AN EQUAL AND EQUITABLE AND FAIR REPPING RECOMMENDATION. TWO YOU'RE ALSO DILUTING THE VOTER STRENGTH? DISTRICT TWO. SENT SECOND OFF INSTEAD OF AN NECKING THAT AREA, MR. SPITZER DID NOT SHARE THAT SHERIDAN PLAZA CANNOT BE BROUGHT IN. THEY NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN.

THEY'RE PAYING TAXES TO THE CITY. SO AND CAN'T VOTE IN THE ELECTION, THERE SHOULD NOT BE NO TAXATION WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION REPRESENTATION.

30-POINT MR. SPITZER STATED THAT WOULD JAIL AND PRISON POPULATION -- THEY'RE MOVING MON THAT THAT DIRECTION AND NOT COUNTING THEM, HOWEVER WHICH MEANS THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN COUNT. THEY'RE UNDER THE SPECIAL HOUSING UNIT, SO THE YOUR NURSING HOPES, REHAB UNITS. THERE'S OUR TRANSITIONAL PLACES. OR THE HOSPITALS.

YOU'RE GOING TO GLORY FOR HOSPICE SO THERE'S NO ADDRESS IN GLORY.

NOW WE DON'T HAVE A PRISON HERE MR. SPITZER WE HAVE A LOCAL KETANJI BROWN COUNTY JAIL SO THEREFORE THE CITIZENS IN THAT JAIL, THEY ARE CITIZENS AND THEY SHOULD BE COUNTED AT THEIR HOME OF RECORD AND NOT THE RECORD OF THE FACILITY BECAUSE IF YOU COUNT THEM THAT WAY YOU'RE BOLSTERING THE NUMBER IF THAT FACILITY THUS YOU YOU ARE LESSENING OUR VOTER STRENGTH AND THAT MY FRIEND IS THE DEFINITION OF GERRYMANDERING. THANK YOU GOD BLESS YOU AND I HOPE TO SEE YOU ON THE OTHER

SIDE. >>> YES, SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT?

>> HI. MY NAME IS MIKE CURRY, 1016 SOUTH 19TH STREET FORT PIERCE.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HIBISCUS -- I AM PRESIDENT OF THE HIBISCUS PARK NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND CRIME WATCH. A NUMBER OF OUR MEMBERS ARE HERE TODAY.

THE BOUNDARIES OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ARE GEORGIA, SOUTH OF GEORGIA TO MISSISSIPPI, SOUTH OF MISSISSIPPI, FROM 13TH EAST TO 13TH TO BEACH COURT EAST OF BEACH COURT.

SO WE'RE RIGHT SMACK THIS THIS ONE AREA WHICH MAY BE MOVED FROM ONE DISTRICT TO THE OTHER.

THE CONSENSUS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION IS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REMAIN IN DISTRICT TWO. AND ONE OF THE BASIC REASONS FOR THAT IS IS WE BELIEVE THAT POLITICAL STABILITY IS TO OUR ADVANTAGE. THE PURPOSE OF OUR ASSOCIATION IS TO BEAUTIFY OUR CURRENT AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR HOME VALUES STAY THE SAME, CONTROL CRIME IF IT EXISTS WHICH WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD RECORD ON THAT RECENTLY.

AND THE PROGRESS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN IN THE PAST ON OUR ABILITY TO CREATE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN OUR ORGANIZATIONS AND OUR DISTRICT THAT HAVE SIMILAR GOALS IN MIND AND WITH OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. SO WITH THE DAMAGE CHANNELS FACING US NOW FROM ALL THE THINGS WE SEE AS FAR AS DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL TURMOIL, THE PANDEMIC, ALL THESE THINGS HAVE IMPACTED US HAVE IMPACTED OUR ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD AS FAR AS REACHING OUR GOALS FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGE OF BEING MOVED TO A DISTRICT WILL ALSO CREATE MORE CHAN CHANNELS FOR US IN TERMS OF REESTABLISHING OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER ENTITY IN THAT DISTRICT AND ALSO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

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REGARDLESS OF YOUR DECISION, WITH A WE WOULD LIKE -- OUR PREFERENCE THAT WE REMAIN IN

DISTRICT -- >> THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? >> REDECK CAN A ISAAC, AND I LIVE ON [INDISCERNIBLE] AVENUE

APARTMENT B. I CAN BEGIN? >> BEGIN.

>> HERE WITH ME THIS IS A LAWSUIT FROM THE NAACP IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IN REGARD TO THE REDISTRICTING. I JUST WANT TO READ A PART OF THIS TONIGHT AND IT'S GOING TO GO WITH MY QUESTION. ACCORDING TO THE AGREEMENT OF THE PARTIES THE DEFENDANTS HAVE APPROVED THE PLAN FOR THE ELECTION [INDISCERNIBLE] -- N. READING FROM DOCUMENT DOCUMENT.D WITH ME RED RADDING THAT I KNOW IT WAS KIND OF FAST BECAUSE OF THE THREE MINUTE MARK,

MR. SPITZER, I COULDN'T SEE UP THERE. >> YOU ASK THE QUESTION, WE'LL

ANSWER IT LATER. >> BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S GOING TO RESPOND SO THAT'S WHY I ADDRESSED HIM. BUT I WANT THE EXACT NUMBERS. I READ THIS SO THAT I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK I'M TRYING THE STIR ANYTHING BUT WHAT THESE TWO -- THE YOU GIVE ME THE NUMBERING FOR THE OPTIONS WITH THE BACK RESIDENTS OR RESIDENTS OF COLOR VERSUS WHITE RESIDENTS? WE WANT THE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT GOING BACKWARDS WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

JUST LIKE YOU'RE NATIVES HERE WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE CITY HAS GONE THROUGH SO WITH THE REDISTRICTING WE'RE TRYING THE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER REPRESENTATION, THAT EVERYBODY -- THE WAY THE COMMISSION LOOKS THAT'S HOW THE CITY LOOKS AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY SO WITH THOSE OPTION CAN YOU PLEASE GIVER ME THE NUMBERS FOR BOTH OPTIONS, RECESSES OF COLOR VERSUS WHITE RIDSES FOR BOTH OF THOSE OPTIONS.

AND THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY LAST WORK SHOP YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING BY ONE FORT PIERCE AND EVERYTHING, I'M ALL FOR UNITY. I WANT US TO WORK TOGETHER, I DON'T LIKE THE DRAMA BUT IT THE IT HASN'T ALWAYS BEEN A ONE FORT PIERCE AND DISTRICT ONE HAS

ALWAYS BEEN UNDERREPRESENTED IN THE COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO COMMENT? PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> I WANTED TO COMMENT ON --

>> SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN JUST FOR THE RECORD. >> DEBORAH, --

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD SO WHEN PEOPLE LISTEN TO TITILLATER ON, THAT'S.

>> I HEART MR. WILCOX, I SEE THAT HE'S LEFT BUT JUST FYI, I AM THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT GO TO -- [INDISCERNIBLE] WE DO A THOROUGH BACKGROUND CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE

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THE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY AT THE TIME OF THE ELECTION, YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT

TO VOTE. SO I WANTED TOE CLARIFY THAT. >> AND TO CLARIFY ROCK ROAD IS A

COUNTY JAIL, IT'S NOT A PRISON. >> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. WHO'S NEXT? >> MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION MY NAME IS TRAVIS RAY MATTHEWS AND I'M REPRESENTING AS PRESIDENT OF THE CONCERNED CITIZENS INCORPORATION HERE IN FORT PIERCE. REVEREND JOHN LEE HAS THAT POSITION QUITE A WHILE AND HE'S DECEASED AND WE MOVING ON. THE P.O. BOX AND LOCALING MAIL ADDRESS IS ADDRESS 643 FORT PIERCE ASK THE SEX OFFENDER IS 3495 SOUR T. I'M CONCERNED NOT ONLY BY THE VOTERS IN THE DISTRICT OF -- NORTH SIDE. I'M BEGINNING TO WONDER ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WHEN LAST DID YOU CONSULT WITH [INDISCERNIBLE]. THE CENSUS REPORT WAS COMING IN AND YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE A LITTLE BETTER IN PREPARING FOR IT. AND THIRD I CAN PRETTY MUCH LOOK AT TH UNITED UNITED STATES POSTL SERVICE. MAYBE ONE OR TWO SOUTH MIGHT BE NORTH OR NORTH MIGHT BE SOUTH WHEN YOU MOVE THINGS AROUND. I REMEMBER SOME TIME AGO THE COMMISSIONER TRIED TO GET SOME PROPERTIES MOVED OFTEN TO BE SOUTH AND THE POSTMASTER SENT A NOTICE SAYING THAT'S NOT SOUTH THAT'S NORTH. I'M GOING TO MAKE FOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. THE FIRST WOULD BE -- AND I'LL TAKE A MINUTE TO GIVE THEM TO YOU, ONE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TALK ABOUT THE CONCERNED CITIZEN, WE HOPE THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER US IN YOUR PLANNING AND NOT SO MUCH ON POPULATION. SECONDL WE RECOMMEND THAT THE POPULATION WILL CONSIDER IN THE FUTURE OF YOUR PLANNING BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF DIVERSIFIED PERSONS COMING. AND [INDISCERNIBLE] TALK MUCH ABOUT THE HAITIAN COMMUNITY.

I MYSELF AM FROM THE KENTUCKY, OHIO AREA AND FIRSTLY I WENT AND KNOCKED ON SEVEN DOORS AND JUST ASKED THE QUESTION DID THEY VOTE AND SEVEN PEOPLE SAID NO T. SO YOU GOT SOME ANSWERS THAT YOU CAN GET IF YOU SENT A SURVEY AND I DON'T KNOW WHY THE CONSULTANT DIDN'T SEND A SURVEY TO THE ADDRESSES TO GET MORE. WE ALSO RECOMMEND THAT YOU GO THROUGH TWO FULLFACESES OF ANNEXATION, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING CONFUSED. SO WE RECOMMEND FIRST THAT THOSE STREETS AND AVENUES IN, AVENUE Q, R, S AND, THE BE ANNEXED. PHASE TWO CONSIDER THE PLAZA IN THE ANNEXATION PLAN, PHASE THREE WE [INDISCERNIBLE] AND PHASE FOUR TO COMPLETE IT WE THINK THERE'S TIME THE LOOK AT FINISHING THE PARADISE PARK AREA.

THE CONCERNINGS CITIZENNED DO NOT RECOMMEND EITHER MAP AT THIS PRESENT TIME.

WE JUST THINK THAT EITHER MAP -- WE DON'T THINK YOU HAVE DONE A SUFFICIENT TIMELY JOB OF

CONTACTING THE MAJOR PLAYERS IN THIS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> AND PROPERTY VALUE MIGHT BE CHANGED TOO. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? >>> CHI FONTAINE, 1102 SOUTH 11TH STREET HERE IN FORT PIERCE.

I WOULD LIKE TO START HOW AWESOME IS IT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

I TOOK SOME VERY THOROUGH TIME TO READ THIS MEN MEMORANDUM FROM MR. SPITZER REGARDING THE REDISTRICTING CRITERIA AND DID SOME RESEARCH MYSELF OUT IN THE REAL WORLD: I THINK EVERYTHING WHEN YOU LOOK IT WOULD ALTERNATIVE OF THE ONE VERSUS TWO SEEMS TO KEEP IN MIND WITH MOST OF THE POINTS UNTIL WE GET TO THE COMPACT AND COB CONTIGUOUS WHICH MANY OF YOU

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A DISTRICT WITH SMOOTHER BOUNDARIES ARE MORE COMPACT AND THE DEGREE TO WHICH THE DISTRICT SPREADS HAVE A CENTRAL CORE, YOU KNOW ALSO DESPAIRS THOSE LEANS. A DISTRICT WITH FEWER PIECES STICKING OUT FROM THE CENTER IS MORE COMPACT. ALTERNATIVE TWO TO ME SOON SEEMINGS TO BE A BIT BIZARRE USING THE TERMS OF THE CONSULTANT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE ONE IT TRULY USES ARTERIAL ROADS TO DEFINE VERY STREAMLINED BOUNDARIES TEEN THE TWO. I'VE HEARD THE WORD FROM THE CONSULTANT TONIGHT, WHICH I WROTE DOWN DOG LEG, DOESN'T THE DOG LEG KIND OF SPEAK TO THAT BIZARRE OR UNUSUAL AND NOT CONTIGUOUS BOUNDARY? WITH THAT I WILL WALK AWAY. THANK YOU GUYS.

>>> THANK YOU MATCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

I'M SEEING SOMEBODY MOVE. COME ON DOWN. WELCOME.

>>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BARBARA BENNETT. I LIVE AT 201 SINCE JUANITA AVENUE IN FORT PIERCE FLORIDA. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS AND MR. SPITZER.

I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SHOWERY WEATHER TAN PLAZA AND PARADISE PARK BEING ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. WE NOW PAY THE 25 PERCENT SURCHARGE IN AND I WOULD LOVE IN PARADISE PARK FOR US TO BE ABLE TO BE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY SO THAT WE CAN PAY THE TEN PERCENT.

WE'RE CURRENTLY GETTING UTILITIES FROM FORT PIERCE UTILITIES IN PARADISE PARK.

WE GET THE WATER. WE GET THE ELECTRIC AND WE GET THE GARBAGE.

WE DO NOT GET SEWER. SO WITH SAYING THAT, THE 15 PERCENT REDUCTION WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. SO I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER PARADISE PARK IN OUR OWN PROPERTY ALSO IN SHOWERY WEATHER TAN PLAZA AND HOUSES ON SHOWERY WEATHER TAN PLAZA CAN I WOULD LOVE FOR THEM TO BE ANNEXED AND ALSO THAT WE COULD GET THE BENEFITS FROM THE CITY

AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING THE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND NOW THE

[6. Commission Comments and Discussion]

AND BECAUSE THE CHART WAS VERY HARD TO SEE WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN READ OUT

FOR THE RECORD? >> YES, MA'AM. FOR THE ALTERNATIVE ONE, FOR DISTRICT ONE, THE POPULATION OF PERSONS WHO INDICATED THAT THEY ARE SINGLE RACE WHITE WAS 5,048, SINGLE RACE BLANK BLACK, 13,911 AND OTHER 4,849. IN THE SAME PLAN FOR DISTRICT TWO, THE WHITE POPULATION IS 13,021, AND BLACK POPULATION IS 4,356, AND THE OTHER POPULATION IS 6,223. IN ALTERNATIVE TWO, IN DISTRICT ONE, THE WHITE POPULATION IS 4,754. THE BLACK POPULATION IS IS 13,553, AND THE POPULATION OF OTHER RACES IS 5,069. FOR THE SAME ALTERNATIVE IN DISTRICT TWO, THE WHILE POPULATION IS 13,315. BLACK POPULATION 4,314, AND OTHER IS 6,003.

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>>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND SO COMPARING THE PERCENTAGES THOSE ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL

PERCENTAGE, ALMOST IDENTICAL PERCENTAGES, ISN'T THAT RIGHT. >> ALMOST IDENTICAL, YES.

>> RIGHT. AND SO THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT THE AREAS OF SUMMER GARDENS SHOWERY WEATHER TAN PLAZA AND PARADISE PARK, ANNEXING THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH REDISTRICTING BUT FOR THE FUTURE, WE HAVE DONE SOME OF THAT IN THE PAST. WE HAVE APPROACHED THE COUNTY ABOUT TAKING WHOLE SWATHS OF AREA IN THE NORTH. THE COUNTY HAS NOT SEEN FIT TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT SO WE ARE HAVING TO DO THAT IN A SLOW PROCESS, BUT IT IS ON OUR AGENDA AS A PRIORITY TO DO THAT.

AND SHERIDAN PLAZA, I NEED SOME HELP, THAT IS A WHOLE AREA THAT HAS TO BE ANNEXED IN -- THAT

CAN'T BE ANNEXED IN ONE OF ONE AT A TIME, CAN IT? >> WELL, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT METHODS BUT SHERIDAN PLAZA RECEIVES MUNICIPAL UTILITIES HANOVER HOW ARE WE DOUGHNUTS HAVE ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE SO WE WOULD HAVE TO EITHER DO ANNEXATION THROUGH A LOCAL AGREEMENT. SOME SORT OF LOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT OR LEGISLATIVE ANNEXATION FOR SHERIDAN PLAZA.

BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE COOPERATION FROM THE COUNTY AND SO FAR WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THAT BUT WE HAVE IT ON OUR GEMMED AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT AS A COMMISSION.

>> YES, MA'AM, SECTION -- I'M SORRY, WE HAD A PLAN THAT HAD CERTAIN SECTIONS CAN CERTAIN TIERS TO PRIORITIZE OUR AN NEBRASKA SAYINGS AND ZONE ONE A WAS PARADISE PARK, I BELIEVE ZONE ONE BE RIGHT BACK WAS SHERIDAN PLAZA, WE INITIATED THE LOCAL BOUNDARY AGREEMENT, INITIATING RESOLUTION AND THE COUNTY DID NOT RESPOND IN A POSITIVE MANNER, SO THE

ANNEXATION DID NOT CONTINUE. >>> AND WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL JOINT MEETINGS WHERE WE HAVE BROUGHT THAT UP SO WHAT WE HAVE CONTINUED TO DO IS ANNEX ONE AT A TIME WHERE WE CAN, WHICH IS A SLOW AND VERY ARDUOUS PROCESS BUT THE PROCESS OF ANNEXATION HAS NOTHING AD WITH REDISTRICTING BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IMEVERYONE TO KNOW THAT IT'S PART OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WHO HAS -- COMMISSION JOHNSON. >>> I WANT TO SAY ON THAT TOPIC, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THE FEW TIMES -- I'M SORRY THE MANY TIMES THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABPARADISE PARK AND THE FEW TIMES WE HAVE SENT LETTERS TO THE COUNTY IF I RECALL ALL OF THE DEVELOPED LOTS IN PARADISE PARK OR THE MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPED LOTS, THOSE THAT ARE RECEIVING WATER AND ELECTRIC SERVICE HAVE BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WHICH IS ABOUT 60 SOMETHING PERCENT. THE REST OF THE PARCELS NOT AN EX-ED ARE VACANT AND SO WENT WE INITIATED THAT ONE A PLAN WE TALKED ABOUT HOW CAN WE CHANGE THE WAY WE HAVE DONE BUSINESS IF MORE YEARS RELYING ON VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AGREEMENTS 33 WATER AND WASTE WATER SERVICE AGREEMENT ASKS WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHEN WE SENT THE LETTER TO THE COUNTY WHICH WAS PROBABLY IN 2018, I BELIEVE IT WAS, A PANDEMIC HAS BEEN HERE FOR TWO YEARS SO YOU HAVE TO THINK PRE-PANDEMIC NOW SOT WAN AND 2018, SO IT WENT INTO NOWHERE.

JUST SO EVERYONE IS AWARE, IT WENT INTO SOMEONE'S OFFICE, IT WAS EVALUATED AND A UNDER THE AGE OF MONTHS IRRITATE NUMBER OF MONTHS LATER A RESPONSE WAS SENT TO US AND THERE WAS NO REAL SONS-IN-LAW. SO THERE'S ALWAYS SO MANY METHODS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT WE'RE LEGALLY ALLOWED TOO ANNEX BUT OUR CURRENT. SYSTEM, IT'S AN EASY WAY TO ANNEX BUT IT'S A VERY TEED YOU WAY FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE IT'S THROUGH VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION SO WE HAVE TO REPARCEL ID NUMBER ASKS SINGULARLY.

>> ONE AT A TIME AND IT'S AN ARDUOUS PROCESS. >> IT IS AND THE OTHER WAY ARE THROUGH VOTES. IF WE WANT TO ANNEX, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU WE HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO IT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>> AND THEN THE COUNTY HAS TO AGREE.

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>> THERE'S A PROCESS ON THAT SIDE AND THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S THE PART IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY AND IT'S A GOOD PROCESS WHEN YOU -- AND I'M GLAD WE GOT ON TO THAT BECAUSE IN THE ANNEXATION PART IS DIFFERENT, WE CAN'T MUDDY THE WATERS.

THERE'S A REASON WE DO THE CENSUS, THERE'S A REASON WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STATE GOVERNMENT TELL US HOW TO DO THIS.

WE HAVE A CONSULTANT HELPING US WITH THIS PROCESS AND I'LL SHARE WHAT I SHARED LAST MEETING IS THAT AND MR. SPITZER AND I WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WE STAYED ON THE PHONE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND I TOOK THAT GIS MAP, THE ONE WHERE HE WAS CHANGING THE DATA AND WE WERE TRYING THE FIND A WAY -- I'M SORRY, I WAS TRYING THE FIND A WAY. HE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THE ITERATIONS AND I CAME UP WITH MY OWN ITERATIONS OF WHICH AREAS SHOULD WE ANNEX, WHICH NUMBERS MAKE SENSE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE POM POPULATION DATA EVER WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ETHNICITY -- HOW ABOUT THE RACIAL MAKEUP AND IT JUST -- I CLICKED THE BUTTON MANY TIMES TO GO THROUGH AND HE SHOWED ME THE DEET DATA AND IF YOU GO THROUGH HIS FIRST SLIDES THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. SO YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE EVALUATE THAT.

I WAS TRYING TO FIND WAYS AND -- AND HER COMMENT ABOUT THE WESTERN PART OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, TRYING TO FIND WAYS ON N OKEECHOBEE ROAD CORRIDOR TO ADJUST THE LINES AND IT DIDN'T LOOK GOOD: IT WENT BACK TO THAT MAP UP IN NORTH CAROLINA, I THINK IT WAS THAT WAS GERRYMANDERING AND IT DID NOT LOOK GOOD AND IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE AND IT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY CONFUSING AND THE NUMBERS WOULD HAVE BEEN OFF AND THESE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AS TITLE AS THEY ARE WITH THESE TWO OPTIONS SO I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND A LOT OF HOURS LOOKING INTO IT AND I WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO CUT IT UP DIFFERENTLY BUT WE CAN'T BUZZ IT'S NOT WITHIN OUR CITY SO WE CAN'T GO OUT AND TRY TO CHANGE THING THAT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY.

THESE FOLKS OUTSIDE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, EVEN THOUGH THEIR PO ADDRESS SAYS FORT PIERCE FLORIDA DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE A CITY RESIDENT. THE OTHER ASPECT THAT I LIKE THE BRING UP AND REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT OUR CITY IS GROWING SO THERE WERE SOME GOOD POINTS TONIGHT THAT OUR CITY IS GROWING. WE ARE GROWING WEST, WE'RE NOT GROWING EAST AND A FEW YEARS AGO, WE ACTUALLY MADE UP SOME GROUND IN THE DISPARITY BETWEEN DISTRICT ONE AND DISTRICT TO. WE DIDN'T DO IT BY POPULATION YET BUT IT'S HAPPENING NOW.

WE ANNEXED OVER 2300 PROPERTIES INTO DISTRICT ONE OVER THE LAST TWO TO THREE YEARS, PRE-PANDEMIC. WHEN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS STARTED OFF AND SO WE STARTED LOOKING -- AND THOSE HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT AND THOSE FOLKS ARE MOVING INTO EASY EC THOSE HOUSES -- BUT WE CAN'T PREDICT WHAT A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO DO. A DEVELOPER CAN STOP DEVELOPING TOMORROW SO MY POINT IS BEFORE WE START TO ANNEX, THE NUMBERS -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE BACK THEN BECAUSE I WASN'T EVALUATING IT AT THAT TIME BUT AS IT GROWS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STOP CAN REEVALUATE AND IF WE NEED TO DO IT BEFORE THEN I GUESS WE CAN, I HAVE TO CONSULT OUR ATTORNEY AND ALL THOSE THAT ARE EXPERTS IN THAT FIELD BUD

THAT'S WHAT I SEE. >> WE MIGHT BE HERE. >> MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO COMMENT FOR NOW. >>> I WANT TO FOLLOW ON THAT AND THEN GO BAN ON SOMETHING, SO THAT WESTERN CORRIDOR. MR. SPITZER IF YOU CAN PUT THAT MAP UP ABOUT OUR CURRENT BOUNDARY, OUR CURRENT BOUNDARIES RIGHT NOW FOR DISTRICT ONE INCLUDE THE WESTERN CORRIDOR AND THE WHILE YOU'RE RIGHT THERE; NOR CAN WE PREDICT WHO OR WHAT WILL MOVE INTO THOSE HOUSES OR WHERE THEY COME FROM, SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER LOOKS LIKE AS FAR AS THE POPULATION OF PEOPLE OR ETHNICITIES OR WHAT WE JUST KNOW

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ON THE CANAL BANK YOU'LL SEE THOSE HOUSES BUILDING BUILT. YOU CAN'T COUNT THAT.

THERE'S ALSO A AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT GOING ON BEHIND THE WAL-MART SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT WE KNOW WE'LL LOOK AT THE POPULATION NUMBERS. SO I WOULD JUST -- AS I LOOK AT THIS CURRENT MAP RIGHT NOW OUR VOTING DISTRICT RIGHT NOW FOR DISTRICT ONE IS WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU AND IT'S DIVERSE, ALL POPULATIONS, ALL CULTURES, IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST DIVERSE POPULATION. AND ONE OF THE THINGS MR. SPITZER YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CLASSIFICATION OF ETHNICITY ON THE CENSUS REPORT AND OUR CENSUS REPORT OR THE CENSUS ONLY GIVES BASICALLY TWO MAJOR CATEGORIES, THAT'S BLACK, WHITE AND THEN OTHER?

IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING? >> IT'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT WHAT IS REPORTED MOSTLY IS SINGLE RATION BLACK OR SINGLE RACE WHITE. THERE ARE 12 OR 15 CATEGORIES OF RACE THAT PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE BUT THE MOST COMMON SINGLE RACE IS SINGLE RACE WHITE OR SINGLE RACE

PLAQUE. >> AND SO GOING BACK THERE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT MS. COX, THE NUMBERS THAT WERE READ OFF BY MR. SPITZER ON THAT MAP, IS THAT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC NOW THAT

THEY MAY GET THAT? >> YES, SIR, IT'S ATTACHED TO AGENDA ITEM.

>> SO YOU CAN GO TO THE AGENDA ITEM & CLICK ON THAT BREAK DOWN OF THE NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT WE

HAVE THAT ARE THERE. >> NORTHWESTERN I WILL PUT IT UP AS A SINGLE FILE SO EASY EASIER

TO IDENTIFY. >> MR. SPITZER WE DON'T GET INTO OTHER SUB CATEGORIES, LATINO POPULATIONS, CREOLE POPULATIONS IN THIS COMMUNITY, DO WE? OR DO WE HAVE THE DATA?

>> WE HAVE DATA ON HISPANIC, FOLKS WHO INDICATED THEY WERE HISPANIC ETHNICITY.

I DON'T KNOW IF CREOLE IS A AN ONS, I'M HAPPY THE CHECK THAT OUT.

>>> THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED THERE WAS EXEMPT EARLIER ABOUT POPULATIONS BEING COUNTED AND WE HEARD A COMMENT FROM THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE TALKING ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE A FEDERAL PRISON, WE HAVE A COULD JAIL WHICH IS GOES TECHNICALLY -- I DON'T KNOW, THAT DISTRICT ONE? THAT'S WEST BUT THAT'S -- THAT'S

COUNTY. >> IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY. >> IT'S NOT WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AND THIS IS A CENSUS COUNT, SO IS THERE ANY IMPACT ON A THAT PERSON BEING INCARCERATED NOT BEING COUNTED ET CETERA IN THIS PARTICULAR POINT?

>> MR. SPITZER. >> YOU'RE SAYING ARE THERE PERSONS IN THE COUNTY JAIL THAT ARE RECESSES OF FORT PIERCE THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INCLUDED IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

>> EXCUSE ME, MR. SPITZER, PLEASE I'M TRYING THE GET SOME ANSWERS, THANK YOU, GO AHEAD,

SIR. >> YES, I HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE HOW THAT IS HANDLED.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PERSONS WHO ARE INCARCERATED IN A COUNTY JAIL ARE COUNTED BUT THE QUESTION THAT CAME UP IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS ARE THEY INCLUDED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITSEN WITHIN THE CITY POPULATION, BUT THEY ARE COUNTED.

NOW, THEY ARE COUNTED IN TERMS OF STATE OR FEDERAL WIND PRISONS WELL.

WHAT I WOULD SAY WITH THAT IS THE PRACTICES AND IN COURT CASES IN TERMS OF PRISON POPULATION IS

THAT THEY ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE REDISTRICTING PROCESS. >> OKAY.

SO WE ARE ASSURED THAT AND WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE OFFICE HERE IF WE WANT THE GET INTO THAT MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS BUT I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT POPULATION WAS AND HOW IT WAS ACCOUNTED FOR T. SO LAST EXEMPT I'M GOING COMMENM GOING TO MAKE IS THIS IS A PUBLIC WORK SHOP. THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT INTERACTION FROM THE PUBLIC, SO LAST TUESDAY OR MONDAY WE HAD THIS WORKSHOP, TODAY WE HAD THE WORK SHOP AND THIS WILL BE ON THE DOCKET OF THE CITY COMMISSION FOR OUR

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>>> OBJECTIVE DATA. >>> ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO BRING SEVEN -- SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT US BEING INTERESTED IN HOW WHO WAS REGISD TO VOTE AND MR. SPITZER, THIS PROCESS REQUIRES POPULATION BASE, NOT VOTER REGISTRATION BASE, I JUST WANT THAT CLARIFIED, BECAUSE WE CLARIFIED THAT LAST TIME BECAUSE I WANT TO SAY IT AGAIN.

>> IT IS, IT'S DRIVEN BY TOLD POPULATION, NOT WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE OR

WHETHER OR NOT. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER KING AND THEN CHIGGER -- >> I THINK EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED FROM MY NOTES EXCEPT I HEARD SOMEBODY TALKING ABOUT THE DOGMATIC LINES OR THE STRAIT LINE AND IF YOU GO BACK THE ALTERNATIVE TWO CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE LISTENING POPULATION AND THE AUDIENCE THAT THAT LITTLE CUTAWAY THERE IS BECAUSE OF A SCHOOL.

DAN MCCARTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. >> THE SCHOOL IS JUST SOUTH -- >> RIGHT JUST SOUTH OF THE LINE, SO THERE IS NO RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA BECAUSE IT'S AN ACTUAL SCHOOL.

>> IT WOULD SEEM THERE ARE NOT -- YES, NOBODY LIVES THERE, CORRECT.

>> SO THAT'S WHY THAT LINE WAS MOVED THAT WAY. IT WASN'T MOVED TO GO AROUND

SOME COMMUNITY, IT WAS MOVED BECAUSE THERE WAS A SCHOOL THERE >> THE SHAPE THERE -- IT'S THE NATURE OF THE SHAPE OF CENSUS BLOCKS, AND SOMETIMES THEY'VE SHAPED IN A WAY THAT'S CONVENIENT TO DRAW THE LINES, SOMETIME NOT AND THE SCHOOL IS JUST SOUTH OF MISSISSIPPI THERE.

>> OKAY. SO THAT WAS THE FIRST THING. AND I THINK WE ANSWERED THE QUESTION BUT I'M NOT REALLY SURE. THE QUESTION ABOUT EXACT NUMBERS. I THINK THE REAL QUESTION THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW IS WE CAN SEE THE EXACT NUMBERS BUT IS IT COMMUNITIES WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE EXACT CHANGES IN NUMBERS THAT'S WE -- WE GOT NEW NUMBERS IN THE ACCEPT SUSS, SO WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS IF YOU HAVE THAT INVESTIGATION? WITH BOTH OF THESE MOVES HOW MANY -- SINCE THE QUESTION WAS WHITE AND BLACK, I'M FOLLOWING THE QUESTION, HOW MANY NEW WHITE VOTERS OR HOW MANY NEW BLACK VOTERS WILL BE IN THESE DISTRICTS? DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION?

BECAUSE THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR. >> SURE.

I DON'T HAVE THAT AT MY FINGER TIPS BUT THAT'S FAIRLY EASY TO PRODUCE.

BUT THE -- >> LET ME CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD.

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THE NEW POPULATION NUMBERS DIVIDED BY THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU HAVE ON THE SHEET, PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHAT ARE THE NEW NUMBERS, NOT THE TOTAL NUMBERS BUT WHAT ARE THE NEW UNDER THE K THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC WAS ASKING FORX IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION I WOULD LOVE TO

SHARE IT AND IF YOU DON'T CAN YOU PLEASE GET IT TO US. >> WE CAN PRODUCE THAT BUT THAT'S THE -- THE SHEET THAT WAS DISCUSSED A FEW MINUTES AGO TOWNSHIPS ONE PAGE OF TABLES YOU

CAN EXTRAPOLATE THAT PRETTY EASY FROM THAT DATA THERE. >> AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO TO HAVE THAT SHEET AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE IT'S JUST SIMPLE ADDING AND SUBTRACTING.

>> PAGE 23 TO HAVE PRESENTATION THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA BUT LIKE I SAIDIVELY PULL IT OUT

AND MAKE IT A STAND ALONE SHEET. >> I WOULD ASK YOU TO GO A STEP FURTHER IF WE YOU CAN BELOW THAP AND PUT IT IN THE LOBBY. THAT SHEET IS PRETTY BIG AND I THINK EVERYONE CAN PROBABLY SEE IT SO WE CAN GET THAT AND PUT IT IN THE LOBBY AND HAVE THE NUMBERS AND MAKE IT REAL SIMPLE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON -- >> THIS IS ALTERNATIVE TWO. >> THEY'RE ALREADY OUT THERE.

>> . >> THE SHEET YOU WANT IN THE PUBLIC IS THE SHEET I ASKED FOR

EARLIER WHERE IT HAS THE ORIGINAL NUMBERS AND -- >> THIS ONE.

>> THAT SHEET THAT HAS THE CHANGES. THAT'S THE PEOPLE CAN ADD AND

SUBTRACT AND GET THE QUESTIONS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. >> CAN WE GET THAT ONE UP FRONT?

>> YES, SIR. >>> COMMISSIONER PALOMA. >> I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS ONCE BEFORE BELIEVE IT OR NOT AND I'M REALIZING THAT IT HAS BEEN TEN YEARS AGO.

AND I REMEMBER IT SO CLEARLY AT TIME AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXACT SAME THINGS AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMUNITY -- I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT YOU'RE ALL HERE THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS YOU AND YOUR LIFE BECAUSE YOU'RE PROUD FORT PIERCE CITIZENS AND WE ALL WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TOO. AND JUST KIND OF FUNNY IS IN 2010 CENSUS, SO TEN YEARS AGO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DISTRICT ONE AND GOOD LUCK TO WAS OVER 9,300 PEOPLE.

WE HAD A SMALLER POPULATION, JUST A LITTLE OVER 41,000 CAN WERE ABOUT 25 PERCENT OVER THE OVER DISTRICT AND WE HAD TO DO SOME HORSE RATING BACK AND FORTH AND CONCERNS ABOUT DILUTING THE MINORITY STRENGTH CAN MAKING SURE THE BOUNDARIES WERE -- AND IT WAS AN UNBELIEVABLE DIFFICULT TASK TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND WHEN WE GOAT GOT TO THE END OF IT WE WERE WITHIN 1500 PEOPLE CAN WE CONSIDERED THAT CLOSE ENOUGH. NOW TODAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A CONSULTANT, MR. SPITZER'S GOT IT WITHIN 174 OR LESS THAN 200 WHICH I CONSIDER SPOT ON.

I MEAN, THOSE NUMBERS THE YOU THINK ABOUT 2020 THOSE NUMBERS HAVE ALREADY CHANGED, FOLKS, WE REALLY HAVE. SO WENT WE START LOOKING AT THIS AND THERE MIGHT BE A DISPARITY INSIDE IN THE NUMBERS OF 100 OR 150 OF 75 OR 74, I WOULDN'T GET TANGLED SEVEN IN ALL OF THAT AND THIS IS PRETTY MUCH IS GUESSTIMATE WORK WHEN WE TRY TO GET TO THAT NUMBER.

OUR POPULATION NUMBER OF ISN'T EXACTLY WHAT IT SAID SO I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND I'M COMFORTABLE WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING SO THE PROCESS AS BROUGHT US THROUGH THAT YOUR COMMENTS AS FAR AS HOW IT AFFECTS YOU IT'S IMPORTANT TO US WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE FINAL DECISION PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE USED THAT IN OUR COLLISION AND MOVED IT FORWARD SEW WE HAVE THAT IN THE FINAL DECISION. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE ONE FORT PIERCE AND WE HAVE TWO DISTRICTS AND BOTH ARE GOING TO BE LARGER THAN WE WERE BEFORE AND WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP AND HOW THE DISTRICTS ARE RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT THE -- WHEN THE TWO JOHNSONS ARE HERE IN 2030 DEALING WITH THE CENSUS AGAIN THEY'RE GOING TO GOING BACK IN THE MINUTES AND HE SEE THAT IT'S GOTTEN BIGGER THAN

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BUT I'M EXCITEDDED ABOUT THIS PROCESS AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT THESE IN YOUR IN YOURE BASICALLY NEGLIGENT, THEY ACTUALLY EQUAL ZERO.

I REMEMBER VOTING LAST TIME WITH 1500 DIFFERENCE GOING TO DISTRICT ONE AND I COUNTED THAT ZERO. I DON'T KNOW IF I WOULD DO THAT AGAIN RIGHT NOW BUT AT THE TIME WE WERE GETTING SO FRUSTRATED WITH THE PROCESS AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING AN OUT CONSULTANT WHO HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS MANY TIMES, SO I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN THERE. ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE CAN PICK SEVEN BEFORE WE MAKE THIS

DECISION WILL BE HELPFUL IN OUR FINAL DECISION. >> MS. COX, WOULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD? TONIGHT, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN INDICATION WHICH OF ALTERNATIVE WE PREFER AND THEN TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.

>> SO BASICALLY IF WE GET CONSENSUS TONIGHT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PICK ALTERNATIVE ONE OR ALTERNATIVE TWO, WE WILL PROCEED IN PREPARING AN ORDINANCE WHICH WILL REQUIRE TWO READINGS, SO THE WAY IT STANDS NOW THE ORDINANCE WILL HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER, WE'LL HAVE THE FIRST READING AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING ON APRIL 18, WHICH IS A MONDAY NIGHT. THAT MEETING IS AT 4:30 I BELIEVE AND THEN WE WOULD DO THE SECOND READING ON MAY 2, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING. AND THAT MEETING WOULD START AT SICK O'CLOCK AND ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE THAT WOULD BE TRANSMITTED TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS SO THAT SHE CAN CONTINUE WITH HER WORK BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE'S AN ELECTION COMING AND SHE ASKED WE BE FINISHED AS CLOSE TO MAYOR ONE AS WE COULD.

SO THAT WILL BE THE NEXT STEP, TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS, AN AD IN THE NEWSPAPER, WE WILL REDRAW THE BOUNDARY FOR THE CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED OF OUR CODE.

>>> AND IF THE FORMER MEETING WE TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY HAD BECAUSE UP THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS EARLIER BUT THIS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THIS IS WHAT WE DO THIS WORK AND THEN WE TURN IT OVER TO THE SUPERVISOR OF

ELECTIONS. >> AND SHE WAS FULLY AWARE THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND WE COORDINATED WITH HER TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PROCESS WAS COMPLETE IN TIME TO

MEET HER NEEDS AS WELL. >> THANK YOU. OKAY.

IS THERE ANYBODY WHO'S WILLING TO STATE A PREFERENCE? IF NOT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO START. MY PREFERENCE IS ALTERNATIVE ONE, I THINK IT THE MAKES MORE SENSE. IT IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND. IT MOVES THE -- IT FITS IN BETTER, IT'S MORE COMPACT AND CONTIGUOUS. I AM LEANING TOWARD ALTERNATIVE

ONE. >> MAYOR, I'M GOING TO JUMP ON THAT ALSO.

I PRETTY MUCH ALREADY SHOWED MY HAND EARLIER. IT MAKES MORE SENSE AND IT'S A LOT EASYIER TO UNDERSTAND. JUST FOR THAT IT FITS ALL THE DIFFERENT CRITERIA THAT WE HAD TOO BUT IT DEFINITELY IS A BETTER CHOICE WHEN YOU GET TO THE BORDERS AND THE DIMENSION AND THE WAY THAT IT'S SHAPED IS A LOT MORE SENSIBLE THAN NOT AND IT'S EASIER TO EXPLAIN.

>> IT FLOWS. >> SO WHEN I RAN FOR THIS SEAT AND I LOOKED AT THE INITIAL MAP, I CAN RECALL GOING BACK INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S WEST OF THIS AND I FOUND MYSELF WEAVING ON SOME BACK STREETS BY FAIR LAWN AND BACK ON THAT OTHER SIDE WHICH RIGHT NOW ARE IN AND IS IN DISTRICT ONE AND I FOUND THAT IT WAS A DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD, OF ALL ETHNICITIES AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT, AND I GOT CONFUSED WHEN I CAME UP WHAT I CALLED A PAL CENTER FOR US BECAUSE THE WAY IT CURRENTLY CUTS RIGHT NOW WESTERN CUTTING RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE OLD YMCA

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SO I LEARNED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD CANVASSING AND ASKING FOR VOTES WHEN I RAN FOR THIS SEAT AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I OFTEN WONDER WHY IT DIDN'T COME STRAIGHT DOWN VIRGINIA AND UP 13TH AND SQUARE THAT WHOLE BLOCK OFF BECAUSE THAT LARGELY IS A DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT'S ALSO -- WE HAVE A HOUSING AUTHORITY BUILDING IN THAT AREA THAT I DISCOVERED BEING BACK IN THERE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I LOOK AT WHEN I LOOK AT THAT MAP SO WHEN I LOOK AT THAT AND MY EFFORTS OF WORKING WITH ALL COMMUNITIES BUT THIS COMMUNITY TO ME, I WAS ALREADY IN THE COMMUNITY WORKING AND DOING WORK AND IT MAKES SENSE TO ME BASED ON THAT THAT WE SQUARE THAT UP SO THAT'S I THINK ALTERNATIVE ONE IS WHAT I'M LEANING TOWARDS AT THIS

POINT. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> YEAH, LIKE I SAID BEFORE I'VE SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES OUTSIDE OF ONE AND TWO AND IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, IT CREATED SOME ISSUES.

LOOKING IT WOULD DATA, LOOKING AT THE INFORMATION THAT HAS COME TO ME, AND LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND EVALUATING AND TAKING NOTES I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I'M IN AGREEANCE AND ALTERNATIVE ONE IS THE OPTION THAT I WOULD GO WITH OVER ALTERNATIVE TWO.

THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ALSO OVER KEEPING IT THE SAME BECAUSE THAT IS

TECHNICALLY A THIRD OPTION, NOT CHANGING IT. >>> YEAH.

OKAY, COMMISSIONER GAINS. >> MADAM MAYOR I'M NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH EITHER ALTERNATIVE SO I GUESS THE NEW GUY WILL BE THE FIRST -- BE MY FIRST NOT UNANIMOUS AGREEANCE WITH THE ECONOMY BUT THAT'S WHAT I WAS ELECTED FOR SO I'M IN THE AEGREGIOUS WITH EITHER STRIVER

AT IS THIS POINT. >>> SO DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FURTHER FROM US MS. COX? ANYTHING ELSE? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND ANYBODY THAT'S LISTENING THAT I -- FROM MY OBSERVATION, EVERY SINGLE COMMISSIONER UP HERE IS RESPONSIVE TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND ALSO RESPONSIVE TO ANY CONSTITUENT OF FORT PIERCE BECAUSE WE'VE ALL GOT -- WE'VE ALL ADOPTED THE ONE FORT PIERCE ATTITUDE AND WE'RE ALL VERY DEDICATED TO CONSERVING THE CITY SO NO MATTER WHO YOU HAVE FOR A COMMISSIONER I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE PLEASED. AND I JUST -- I THINK THAT WE JUST HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE AND MAKE THE NUMBERS -- WE HAVE TO PICK A PLAN AND IT HAS TO MAKE SENSE AND IT HAS TO MEET THAT CRITERIA AND SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND TRIED TO DO THIS IN

A FAIR AND OBJECTIVE MANNER. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER I'M PROUD OF YOU FOR -- AND I'M PROUD TO SIT UP HERE WITH YOU AND MAKE THIS DETERMINATION, BUT I HAVE TO ASK YOU BECAUSE NOW MY CREATIVE MIND IS GOING, WHAT IS THE OPTION IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT ONE OR TWO, WHAT WOULD BE THE -- I'M INTRIGUED BECAUSE I'M NOT ALLOWED TO SIT IN THE ROOM WITH YOU AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITHOUT SITTING UP HERE ON THIS DAIS.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON I THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I HAVE SOME IDEAS.

I HAD SOME IDEAS BEFORE I CAME IN. I WAS GOING BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN ONE TARIFF ONE AND TWO. BUT LISTENING TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS OF DISTRICT ONE AND THE RESIDENTS OF DISTRICT TWO TONIGHT I NEED TO GO BACK AND JUST LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE FURTHER AND TRY TO GET SOME CLARITY IN MY MIND BEFORE I CAN AGREE OR IT MIGHT GET TO A APPOINTMENT -- I STILL DON'T AGREE AND I WILL COMPLAINT COME AND SAY THAT BUT I ALSO LIKE YOURSELVES FIGURED OUT HOW TO PLUG NUMBERS IN SINCE OUR LAST MEETING ON MONDAY AND I WILL

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I'M NOT TRYING TO KICK IT DOWN THE LINE, I ANSWERED THE QUESTION AS BEST I COULD.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT; THANK YOU I. SO YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED MS. COX?

ANYTHING ELSE? >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. SPITZER AGAIN FOR TAKING US THROUGH AND WE MET WITH HIM INDIVIDUALLY OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH HIM AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I LEARNED A WHOLE LOT MORE GOING THROUGH THESE PROCESSES MUCH

LIKE THE PUBLIC DID SO THE PROCESS IS COMPLETE. >> AND I WOULD LIKE THE THANK THE PUBLIC WHO SHOWED UP TONIGHT AND WHO SHOWED UP LAST NIGHT AND WE HAVE TWO MORE HEARINGS.

>> AGAIN TO MADAM MAYOR AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I WANT TO AGAIN THANK YOU FOR GRANTING MY REQUEST LAST MONDAY TO HAVE THIS SECOND MEETING,. I THINK IT WAS MUCH NEEDED AND I'VE HEARD SOME MORE THINGS TONIGHT THAT I DIDN'T HEAR THE FIRST MEETING SO I WANTED TO REACH OUT TO EVERYBODY AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING CHANGES TO YOUR SCHEDULE TO COME AND SAY WHAT

THEY HAVE TO SAY AND WE MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. >> ABSOLUTELY.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO ADJOURN SO IF EVERYONE CAN MOVE OUT TO THE FOYER AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK WITH ANYBODY UP HERE ON THE DAIS WE CAN MEET YOU OUT THERE.

SO FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER WE'RE ADJOURNED

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