Apr 11, 2022 City Commission Conference Agenda

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TO CALL THIS MEETING TO TO ORDER MONDAY, APRIL 11, 2022.

THE CONFERENCE AGENDA MEETING FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES:

PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

[a. Traffic signal request at the intersection of South 25th Street and Frist Boulevard]

PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA:

PRESENT. >> FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL REQUEST AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH 25TH

STREET AND FRIST BOULEVARD. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMS.

>>NICK MIMMS: YES, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, THIS MORNING WE WILL HAVE A CITY ENGINEER REVIEW THE FINDING OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE INSTALLATION OF A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AT SOUTH 25TH STREET AND FRIST BOULEVARD.

THIS DIME A MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION, AND PRIOR TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE MOVING FORWARD AND CONTACTING FDOT FOR INVESTIGATION, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK.

IN ADDITION WE HAVE OUR CEO OF OUR HCA FLORIDA LONGWOOD HOSPITAL -- I HOPE I SAID THAT RIGHT MR. ERIC GOLDMAN IN ATTENDANCE AND HE HAS SOME INPUT IN ADDITION TO THE FINDINGS.

IF YOU WOULD ALLOW HIM TO SPEAK. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE WILL LET YOU GO FIRST AND THEN MARY FROM MR. BOWMAN.

>> VERY GOOD. GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS.

MR. MIMS ASKED ME INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION AT THE INTERSECTION OF 25TH AND FRIST BOULEVARD.

JUST AS PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION, I PUT TOGETHER A MAP. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE INTERSECTION DOES LIE PRETTY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS EXISTING SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. WE HAVE ONE AT VIRGINIA AVENUE AND ONE AT OKEECHOBEE. YOU CAN SEE THE DISTANCE IN BETWEEN FALLS WITHIN THE PRESCRIBED DISTANCE THAT A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION SHOULD BE.

IT IS TYPICALLY BETWEEN HALF A MILE AND QUARTER OF A MILE IN AN URBANIZED SECTION. THIS FALLS WITHIN THAT AREA.

THERE ARE NINE DESIGN WARRANTS THAT THE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL LOOKS AT PUTTING IN SIGNALS. THE BASIC ONES ARE THE VOLUMES.

THAT IS ONE THAT IS LOOKED AT MOSTLY.

SO THAT IS THE FIRST THREE, AND DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, THE EI EIGHT-HOUR, FOUR-HOUR AND THEN PEDESTRIANS, THE SCHOOL CROSSINGS AND THEY GO THROUGH THE -- YOU KNOW DOWN ON THE LIST SOMEWHERE. BUT ALL OF THESE PAR RANTS HAVE TO BE MET, BUT ONE OR MORE OF THEM DO NEED TO BE MET.

A ONE DAY OF PRELIMINARY COUNTS. WE SET UP ON FRIST TO GET A 24-HOUR COUNT THAT DURING A 24-HOUR PERIOD WET 957 VEHICLES THAT CAME THROUGH THE INTERSECTION.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE EIGHT-HOUR WARRANT.

THERE IS DIFFERENT -- ALL DIFFERENT BREAKDOWNS OF IT.

THEY HAVE TABLES OF IT. BUT ONE OF THE ONES THAT THEY LOOK AT IS THE EIGHT-HOUR AND THE MINOR STREET.

SO THE MINOR STREET USUALLY HAS TO BE IN EXCESS OF 150 CARS PER HOUR OVER AN EIGHT-HOUR PERIOD GOING FROM THIS COUNT THE 957 CARS GOES DOWN TO 70 CARS PER HOUR.

ABOUT HALF OF THAT REQUIRED PAR RANT.

I WON'T YOU SAY WE DON'T NEED IT.

WE WILL HAVE TO DO A LOT MORE TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR IT.

PRESIDENT PEAK HOUR GOES FROM NOON -- LET ME MAKE THIS A

LITTLE BIT BIGGER. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

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>> IT GOES FROM NOON, 11:00 IN THE MORNING UP UNTIL 8:00 IS THE SPEAK FOR THEM. ALTHOUGH WE HAVE CARS THROUGHOUT THE DAY BUT THAT IS OUR PEAK TIME.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THOSE ARE ON 25TH.

>> THESE ARE ON FRIST. >> MAYOR HUDSON: 25TH WILL BE A

WHOLE BUNCH MORE. >> A WHOLE BUNCH MORE, YES.

OTHER CHALLENGING WITH A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION.

SURGICAL CENTER, WHATEVER BUILDING THAT IS OVER HERE THE CONFIGURATION OF THE DRIVEWAY. EITHER THIS DRIVEWAY WILL HAVE TO BE RELOCATED TO ALIGN BETTER WITH THE INTERSECTION SIGN SIGNALINGIZATION IF THE SIGNAL WOULD TO COME.

THOSE DESIGN CHALLENGES AT THAT COME DOWN THE WAY.

THE NEXT STEP-TO-TO GO TO D.O.T. FOR A STUDY TO EVALUATE THIS.

YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THIS. THIS HAS BEEN DONE MANY TIMES FOR HIGH POINT ON U.S. 1. A FORMAL REQUEST WILL HAVE TO BE MADE TO THEM AND THEY WILL MOVE INTO THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY ANALYSIS. I GUESS IT IS THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE IF WE MOVE FORWARD TO THIS AND REQUEST THE D.O.T., OR I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SPEAKING OF HIGH POINT.

DO YOU KNOW WHY IT HAS NOT A SIGNAL YET?

WHAT DOES IT NOT MEET. >> IT DOESN'T MEET THE VOLUMES OFF OF U.S. 1 COMING IN AND OUT OF HIGH POINT.

>> COMING FROM THE SIDE STREET. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GOT IT.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MARE, OUT OF FRIST RIGHT NOW.

DON'T WE HAVE SOME NRI PRELIMINARY -- WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE COUPLE OF SLIDES MAGNIFY BACK FOR US.

>> FOR ONE-DAY PERIOD AND THAT IS ABOUT HALF OF THE REQUIRED WARRANT THAT IT WILL NEED. WHEN YOU DO THE TRAFFIC COUNTS FOR THE INTERSECTION IT ALSO TAKES IN THE MAJOR STREET THAT ENTERED INTO TOO. A LOT OF THINGS TO LOOK AT.

ARE YOU DONE. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: ON THE WEST FROM THAT INTERSECTION YOU IDENTIFIED THE FACT THERE COULD BE CONNECTIVITY TO WHATEVER BUSINESS IS ON THAT SIDE.

THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ABANDONED CONTINUATION OF THE ROAD.

WHO OWNS THAT PROPERTY? >> I BELIEVE THAT IS OWNED BY

LAWN WOOD MEDICAL. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: ACROSS,

GOING WEST? >> WHAT IT COMES UP ON PROPERTY

APPRAISER RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MAY BE SOME FORM OF A SOLUTION TOO THAT MAY ACCOMMODATE BUSINESS OWNERS

ON THAT SIDE. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: TAKING A LOOK AT THAT.

ANY ITEM HERE? YOU HIT NINE REQUIREMENTS AND NINE RECOMMENDATIONS. ANY IN THERE FOR EMERGENCY I E

ISSUES? >> NO, THERE IS NOT THERE IS THE

SCHOOL -- >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: HAVING PARAMEDICS AND LEFT, RIGHT, HELICOPTERS GOING UP AND DOWN AND STUFF LIKE THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE ON THE INTERSECTION?

>> NO. THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES USE NEBRASKA TO THE NORTH AS OPPOSED TO FRIST BOULEVARD.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WILL SAY IF IT IS OUT IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PART OF FORT PIERCE, THEY WILL BE COMING IN ANY WAY THEY CAN. 25TH MAY BE THE WAY THEY COME TO. I UNDERSTAND IF THEY ARE GOING OUT OR WHATEVER, THEY -- THEY COME OFF NEBRASKA THERE, I BELIEVE BUT STILL, THERE IS ACCESS.

YOU GET TO THE HOSPITAL AS FAST AS YOU CAN AND ALL ROADS ARE FAIR GAME. IT'S INTERESTING TO ME WHEN YOU STEP IT UP TO AN EMERGENCY FACILITY LIKE THIS, THAT IT DOESN'T CARRY ANY WEIGHT WITH T IT.

>> YES. THAT IS NOT PART OF THE WAR WARRANTS. VERY SPECIFIC ON THEIR WARRANTS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER J. JON AND THEN COMMISSIONER C.

JOHNSON AND THEN MAYBE ASK MR. GOLDMAN TO COME UP BECAUSE HE

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J. JON. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THANK YOU, JACK, FOR THAT INFORMATION.

ANY DATA FOR NEBRASKA? ANY DATA FOR NEBRASKA

SPECIFICALLY? >> I DID NOT TAKE TRAFFIC C S COUNTS. WE JUST WENT OUT THERE FOR THE ONE DAY. SO, NO, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING

ON NEBRASKA AT THIS TIME. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THEN THAT IS ALL RIGHT. HERE IS WHY I ASK THAT QUESTION.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE TRAFFIC COUNTS WILL BE HIGHER AND POSSIBLY PAR RANT -- BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF CONNECTIONS TO NEBRASKA. WE HAVE EVERYTHING FROM THE EAST AT 13TH STREET COMING THROUGH. WE HAVE 21ST STREET THAT MIGHT CONNECT TO ACTUALLY 23RD AND THE BURCH WHICH WHATEVER COMES TO AT

THE ANGLE. >> PAST THE RESTORATION CENTER.

>> WE HAVE BE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS POINTS.

MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO WHERE THE SIGNAL JUST NEEDS TO BE ONE BLOCK TO THE NORTH IF -- IF THE DATA SAYS THAT.

THE ONLY QUESTION I WILL HAVE IS, YOU TALK ABOUT A QUARTER OF A MILE WHICH IS 13 20 SO WILL BE VERY CLOSE.

>> VERY CLOSE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE REQUEST CAME FROM.

IT IS VIABLE THAT WE ARE LOOKING INTO IT WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE DOING NOW. W SHOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN NOT TOO LONG AGO -- GOSH, I TAKE THAT BACK.

MIGHT BE MIDDLE PANDEMIC, PREPANDEMIC WHEN WE APPROVED ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE LONGWOOD VILLAGE COMMUNITY AND ADDITIONAL IMPACT AND TRAFFIC LOAD WHEN THOSE COMMUNITIES COME ONLINE WHICH IS TO THE EAST OF THE HOSPITAL.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BRINGS IT TO THE CONVERSATION.

AND FRIST, THE MAIN ENTRANCE, I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY BUT MAYBE NEBRASKA IN MY MIND LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES A LITTLE BIT MORE SENSE, POSSIBLY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: JUST A QUICK QUESTION.

I KNOW EARLY ON THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT SAFETY AND ENGAGEMENT IN THE INTERSECTION. HAVE WE PULLED ANY PRELIMINARY CRASH DATA AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT AND ANYTHING ALONG HERE?

>> NO, SIR, I DID NOT. IT KIND OF CAME UP RATHER QUICKLY AND I DID NOT PULL ANY CRASH DATA.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: KNOWING THE PERSONAL ENTRANCE TO THE AREA AND AMBULANCE GOING DOWN NEBRASKA WITH A SIGNALIZED SECTION THERE TRYING TO NAVIGATE THAT.

HAVE WE LOOKED AT THE FURTHER -- I TALKED TO OUR PARTNERS TO OUR SOUTH WHICH IS THE COUNTY PARTNERS AND THE PAR SNELL DEVELOPMENT, I AM THINKING IN THE FUTURE THIS WILL BE A LOT MORE WARRANTED AS FAR AS TRAFFIC IN THE AREA.

I HEARD SOME RUMORS. I KNOW IT IS SOMEWHERE AND NEEDED. BUT IF WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM, WE NEED TO. THE POSSIBLE EXPANSIONS IN THE AREA AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO INCREASE TRAFFIC.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER%. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THEY ARE SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EXPANDING THE HOSPITAL AS WE SPEAK. HAS ANY OF THAT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION? OR CAN YOU ADD THAT IN? I MEAN IT IS NOT SAYING WE ARE GOING TO DO IT.

IT IS OBVIOUS THE WORLD, THEY ARE VERTICAL.

THIS THING WILL HAPPEN BEFORE YOU KNOW IT AND WILL ADD ADDITIONAL TRIPS, I AM SURE, TO YOUR CALCULATIONS.

>> YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN STANDARD PRACTICE THE D.O.T. NOT TO COUNT ON FUTURE TRIPS THEY GO BY ACTUAL TRIPS GENERATED. GENERATED IN THE WARRANT STUDIES INJURIES INJURY QUICK QUESTION. D.O.T. HAVE ANY PLANS -- IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN THIS SECTION OF 25TH.

D.O.T. HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL PLANS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF?

>> NOT AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONER.

THEY ARE DOING SECTION BETWEEN VIRGINIA AND EDWARDS AND THE SECTION BETWEEN AVENUE Q AND U.S. ONE.

THOSE ARE UNDER DESIGN AND GO INTO CONSTRUCTION IN THE F FIVE-YEAR WORK PROGRAM. THIS IS NOT YET IN THE FIVE-YEAR

WORK PROGRAM. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ANOTHER REASON I ASK GOES WITH THE TPO AND COMES INTO PLAY WHEN

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DIVIDED SECTIONS? >> NO TALK OF THAT YET.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THERE HAS BEEN TO TALK?

>> NO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

IF MR. GOLDMAN WOULD LIKE TO JOIN US.

I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME HIM. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE LIKE TO SEE YOU HERE ANY E

TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE LIGHT. YOU KNOW I FEEL LIKE IT IS AN ABSOLUTE IMPERATIVE TO THE HOSPITAL AND MANY OF YOU TOUCHED ON AN IMPORTANT POINT WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT.

FIRST AND FOREMOST FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY, ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS IS I THINK THE TRAFFIC COUNTS ARE ARTIFICIALLY LOW BECAUSE THE INTERSECTIONS IS NOT SAFE.

ANYBODY THAT LIKES TO TRAVEL SOUTH FROM THE HOSPITAL DOES NOT USE THAT AS A ROAD, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HIGH TRAFFIC TIMES ON 25TH STREET YOU TYPICALLY HAVE IT DURING RUSH HOUR TIMES. NOW AT THAT POINT IN TIME WITH SHIFT CHANGE, PEOPLE LEAVE THE HOSPITAL AND NOBODY WANTS TO MAKE A LEFT-HAND TURN ACROSS TRAFFIC INTO A BUSY TURNING LANE, TRAFFIC COMING ON. SO WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING IS THE STAFF ENDS UP AVOIDING FRIST BOULEVARD AS AN INGRESS AND EGRESS TO THE FACILITY AND WHAT DOES THAT ULTIMATELY END UP DOING PARTICULARLY AT SHIFT CHANGE, IT PUTS PEOPLE DRIVING IN FRONT OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DURING DROP-OFF TIME.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECTION OF 24 TO THE SOUTH -- SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE HOSPITAL, THAT SPOT -- STOP SIGN INTERSECTION HAS BUSES COMING IN. DROP-OFF COMING OUT AND YOU HAVE HOSPITAL EMPLOYEES WHO ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL.

WALKERS CROSSING THE STREET. IT'S A NIGHTMARE ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL PROBABLY 6:00, 7:00 AT NIGHT.

UNTIL IT ULTIMATELY STARTS TO SHUT DOWN.

I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING IS WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CONGESTION THERE THAT IS A PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD FOR THE SCHOOL.

NOT SO MUCH FOR THE HOSPITAL, BUT FACTOR INTO PEOPLE RUSHING INTO THE HOSPITAL, ETC. A LITTLE BIT OF A NIGHTMARE AND I AM SURE THE COUNTY CAN SEE SOME OF THAT BECAUSE THE FIRE STATION THERE AND THAT AREA THEY ARE ACCESSING AS WELL TOO.

THERE MAY BE OTHER FACTORS THAT THE D.O.T. TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION, I DON'T KNOW THEIR FORMULA FOR DECISION MAKING. SO I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF THE KEY EVENTS. NOW TOWARD THE HOSPITAL EXPANSION, THOSE ADDITIONAL 32 PEDESTRIANS AND PRE-OP AND T POST-OP AREA WILL BE OPENING UP THROUGH JUNE.

WE WILL SEE INCREASED TRAFFIC FOR THAT.

106 PARKING SPOTS WHICH AS EVERYBODY ON CAMPUS KNOW, THAT THOSE WILL FILL UP DAY ONE AND REMAIN FULL UNTIL WE BUILD OUR PARKING GARAGE -- [KNOCKING] -- KNOCK ON WOOD.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AS YOU MAY ORIGINALLY RECALL, IT WAS ORIGINALLY SET TO BE A TH THREE-STORY BUILDING AND PUTTING THE FOURTH FLOOR ON IT. WE ARE ABOUT TO RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR ANOTHER 62 MORE BEDS FOR THE HOSPITAL AS WELL.

SO AS WELL AS PART OF THE LAST CARES ACT BILL IN CONGRESS FOR HOSPITALS ALONG WITH LONGWOOD FOR A LONG TIME A COST REPORT WE HAVE TO SEND UP TO MEDICARE. AND IT EFFECTIVELY SHUT US OFF FROM HAVING RESIDENCY PROGRAMS WHERE THE LAST CARES ACT BILL GAVE HOSPITALS WHO FALSELY STARTED A PROGRAM.

THAT IS HOW THEY DOCUMENT IT AND HAD RESIDENTS A ONE-TIME OPPORTUNITY TO START A RESIDENCY PROGRAM.

AND SO WE ARE TAKING OURSELVES -- TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

THAT MEANS THERE IS GOING TO BE THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ANOTHER 150 TO 200 RESIDENTS. AND THIS PROGRAM WILL BEGIN STARTING JULY OF NEXT YEAR SO OF A SUDDEN 2,000 EMPLOYEES AND NOW AN ADDITIONAL 200 THAT WILL COME ON AND THE VOLUME OF AN ADDITIONAL FACILITY IS GOING TO BRING, THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN WHAT THAT TRAFFIC PATTERN IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I THINK THE LIGHT AT FRIST BOULEVARD

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AND SO I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DESPERATELY NEED AND WE

DESPERATELY CONSIDER. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAVE TALKED AS A COMMISSION, CONCERNED ABOUT 25TH STREET AND THE SPEEDING ON 259 STREET, BECAUSE IT IS AN AT -- 25TH STREET.

BECAUSE IT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO U.S. 1.

NORTH-SOUTH ALTERNATIVE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DEFINITELY IN

A HURRY, I WOULD SAY. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SCHOOL.

I WAS SITTING HERE THINKING WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING. BECAUSE THERE IS A SCHOOL RIGHT THERE. AND THEN ANY TIME THERE IS A BASEBALL GAME OR FOOTBALL GAME OR TRACK MEET OR ANYTHING ELSE, THERE IS OTHER TRAFFIC THERE. DID WE.

DID ANYONE LOOK AT THE STATISTICS OF KIDS THAT ARE NOT BUSED -- I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF BUS THERE IS, BUT KIDS THAT ARE NOT BUSED WALKING TO AND FROM THAT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

DID WE LOOK INTO THAT OR HAVE THAT INFORMATION?

>> COMMISSIONER, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE LOOKED AT ON THE WHOLE TRAFFIC STORY. THERE IS A WARRANT FOR PEDESTRIANS AND SCHOOL CROSSINGS AND THAT.

THAT WILL ALL BE PART OF THE STUDY THAT D.O.T. WILL LOOK AT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS NO MORE THAN WE DO

TOO. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: PRIOR, YOU HAVE SAID CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON THERE, NEW RESIDENCES.

WHATEVER IS GOING THERE. AND I KNOW HOW THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WORKS, IF YOU LIVE TWO MILES WITHIN A COOL, HE EITHER HAVE TO TAKE YOUR KID OR YOUR KID HAS TO WALK TO THAT COOL.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT ESPECIALLY IF WE ARE GOING TO PUT MORE EMPLOYEES ON LONGWOOD.

OR IF LONGWOOD WILL PUT MORE EMPLOYEES IN LONGWOOD.

AND WE HAVE EMPLOYEES TURNING SOUTH TO GO PAST THAT SCHOOL.

SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT THEY DON'T DO CROSSWAYS AND CROSSWALKS. AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS LAUGHING TRYING TO GET HOME. SOMETHING I WILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT. IF WE DON'T DO THIS, THAT WE WILL PUT MORE TRAFFIC TOWARD THAT SCHOOL.

THAT WAS MY CONCERN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS OF MR. GOLDMAN. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MADAM MARE. I THANK YOU FOR, WHY COMMENTS AND YOU CLARIFIED WHAT YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE DOING.

YOU HAVE A FIRST HAND FEEL AND YOU TALKED TO THEM.

THE INPUT THAT WE NEEDED, I NEEDED FOR SURE.

THE BEAUTIFUL -- NOT THE BEAUTIFUL PART, BUT ALL THE OPTIONS OF A SIGNAL ALONG 25TH STREET, THE CROSSING STREETS DON'T CONNECT WITH STRAIGHT CONNECTIVITY.

FOR INSTANCE, THERE IS NOTHING ACROSS FROM NEBRASKA.

NOTHING ACROSS FROM FRIST BUT A DRIVEWAY YOU SHOWED IN A PRESENTATION. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION AND THIS MAY BE AN OPTION AND I CAN SPEAK WITH THEM, THE SURGERY GENTLER THAT WAS ACROSS THE STREET, WE HAVE SOLD THAT TO ADVANCED CENTER OF EYE CARE. A DOCTOR FROM VERO BEACH TURNING THAT INTO AN EYE CENTER. HE MAY -- I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SPEAK WITH THEM IF HE OWNS THAT PROPERTY NOW.

I AM SURE HE WILL BE ALLOW TO HAVE A --

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MAY BE THE GREATEST PURCHASE HE EVER MADE IN A LIFE. IF I WAITED A FEW MORE MONTHS I

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I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF THE HOSPITAL.

THANK YOU FOR THAT INFO TOO. ANOTHER THING TO BRING UP IN CONVERSATION AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TALKED TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AN EMPLOYEE AT ST. LUCIE COUNTY, WE WERE MOVING THE FACILITIES AHEAD FROM HEADQUARTERS.

IT IS WHERE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS LOCATED, AS WELL AS SERVICES AT AVENUE C, THEY WILL BE AT THAT LOCATION ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL. LITTLE BUILDING -- HARD TO SEE

ON MAP, BUT THE SHADED SECTION. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ARUBAH IT S

SAYS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT IS HAPPENING THERE AND AN INCREASED LOAD AT THE INTERSECTION BECAUSE OF THE OTHER ACTIVITIES.

THE OTHER THING -- I RECOGNIZE YOU CAN'T TAKE FUTURE PLANS INTO ACCOMMODATION, BUT NO DOUBT IF WE ARE GOING TO BUILD OUT THE OTHER TWO FLOORS IN THE EXISTING TOWER, WE WILL NEED A PARKING GARAGE AS PART OF THAT. DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE AND HIRED THE ARCHITECTS AND, ETC, THAT THE ULTIMATE BEST LOCATION FOR THAT WILL BE ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PR Y PROPERTY, WHICH PLACE IT IS RIGHT UP AGAINST FRIST BOU D BOULEVARD. AND SO EMPLOYEES THAT ARE DRIVING AROUND BLACK ARE TO THE BUT WE INCLUDE OUR OVERFLOW TO NEBRASKA AND PUT THE TRAFFIC IN THAT DIRECTION FROM FRIST

BOULEVARD. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MAKES SENSE. ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS QUINCY.

>> ON THE CORNER OF 23RD AND QUINCY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS NOW.

>> WHERE THE PARKING GARAGE WILL GO.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: AND YOU CAN PUSH IT TO THE NORTH TO FRIST AND 25TH STREET. ALL THE TURNING MOVEMENTS NORTH

AND SOUTH. >> EXACTLY.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MAKE SENSE.

COMMISSIONERS, THE OTHER PART WORKING AT THE COUNTY -- JACK MENTIONED THE COUNTY OR COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON DID, 25 ACRE AT THE BOCC BUILDING. ONLY 11 ARE DEVELOPED.

THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT MORE DEVELOPMENT THERE.

I WAS WORKING WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR SCHOOL DISTRICT TRAFFIC AND TALK OF THEIR PLANS. IF YOU GO ON A SCHOOL DISTRICT AND DROP-OFF AND PICKUP, THEY WOULD GO NEAR THAT CENTER.

AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS THERE POTENTIALLY.

AROUND THE MARK, A LOT OF GRANDIOSE IDEAS.

JACK KNOWS ABOUT THEM AND HE HEARD ME TALK ABOUT THEM.

A LOT OF ACTIVITY OUT HERE AND WITH YOUR EXCEPTION, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE THAT STEP FORWARD AND I AM GOOD AT ADDITIONAL STUDIES AND LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL DATA, JACK.

NOT JUST FRIST BUT MORE ON THE REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE, IN MY

OPINION. >> I THINK IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT, ALSO, ANY ACCIDENTS THAT OCCURRED AT 23RD AND VIRGINIA. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THINK THAT NOTICED IS THAT -- AGAIN, PEOPLE TRYING TO AVOID THE L LEFT-HAND TURN ON TO 25TH STREET.

THEY WILL TRY TO COME DOWN 23RD AND MAKE THAT LEFT-HAND TURN BECAUSE THEY HAVE A MEDIAN THAT PROTECTS THEM.

WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT SIX E LANES OF TRAFFIC YOU ARE TRYING TO CUT ACROSS, OFTENTIMES YOU FIND THAT 23RD ENDS UP BACKING UP. SOMEONE IS STUCK, CAN'T GET

THERE OR AN ACCIDENT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I REFUSE TO DO IT. I JUST GO THE LONG WAY.

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: DO YOU

KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES. >> I DON'T KNOW BUT A LOT.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: 2,000 EMPLOYEES.

>> APPROXIMATELY. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: IN 24 HOURS WITH SHIFT CHANGES, WHAT IS THAT NUMBER?

>> I WOULD SAY PROBABLY CLOSER TO 1200 TO 1400.

THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE VISITORS, PHYSICIANS.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: NOT AN EMPLOYEE, SO WHEN THINKING ABOUT THAT AND ALL THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY THAT SEEMS TO BE ON.

GOING. REALLY, MR. GOLDMAN, YOU AND YOUR STAFF CREATED THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE SO GOOD, SO SUCCESSFUL.

WE HELPED GROW THE CITY. AND IT IS PART OF PROBLEM.

IT'S FUNNY, BECAUSE I REMEMBER MOVING THE HOSPITAL TO THIS

LOCATION IN '79 AND '80. >> '80.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: IT WAS ON OUTSKIRTS OF TOWN.

GUESS WHAT. YOU ARE DEAD CENTER OF THE MIDDLE RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU START THINKING ABOUT THAT, WE ARE EXPANDING OUT SOUTHWEST OF THE HOSPITAL.

THOSE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS.

YOU KNOW WHICH WAY THEY ARE GOING.

THE PEOPLE IN THE NORTHWEST SECTION WILL COME IN THEIR WAY.

EVERYBODY ELSE MOVES AROUND. WE ARE ALL VERY FAMILIAR TRYING TO ACCESS THAT BECAUSE EITHER THEY ARE GOING TO THE COUNTY,

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ONE OF YOUR MEDICAL FACILITIES ON NEBRASKA.

WE ARE IN THERE ALL THE TIME AND THE ONLY WAY SAFELY TO ACCESS VIRGINIA AVENUE TO GO EAST WOULD BE FROM NEBRASKA TO 13TH STREET OUT TO THE LIGHT. THAT'S IT.

A BIG WAY AROUND. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GO AHEAD AND RISK GOING ACROSS ON 23RD STREET WHICH IS REALLY A SUICIDE MISSION HALF THE TIME. THINKING OF THE FOLK WHO HAVE TO GET THERE AND GET TO THAT POINT. GOING THROUGH NEIGHBORHOODS, PAST SCHOOLS AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES.

THE FUNCTION AMOUNT OF IT ALL DUE -- FUNCTION THE OF IT ALL DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. THE ONE SOLUTION THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE ALL PATHS ON 25TH STREET.

AN ARTERY OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COME TO THAT SECTION AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN COME IN AND IT IS FASTER THAN GOING IN ANY OTHER ROUTES. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

>> THE MOST TELLING STATISTICS OF ALL OF IT, WE LOOKED AT 850 TRIPS OCCURRING ON FRIST BOULEVARD AND FIGURE 1200 TO 1400 EMPLOYEES SHOULD BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 2400 TO 2800 TRIPS DAILY JUST FROM OUR EMPLOYEES BEFORE WE TALK OF PHYSICIANS AND PEOPLE GOING TO THE MEDICAL OFFICE BUILDINGS, ETC. THAT REALLYS THE STORY WHERE THEY ARE GOING. NOT USING FRIST BOULEVARD FOR

THE SERVICES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: JUST LAST COMMENT. I KNOW YOU WANT TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE DISCOVERY, EXPANSION, PARKING GARAGES, SCHOOLS, THE COUNTY PARTNER. OFF OF 23RD NAVIGATING VIRGINIA AVENUE. HOPEFULLY TAKING A COMPREHENSIVE LOOK NOT ONLY AT FRIST BUT THAT BACK WAY OUT OF THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL WANT TO GO THAT WAY AS WELL TOO.

PEOPLE DON'T LOOK FOR THE LEAST PAST OF RESISTANCE TO GET OUT AND AVOID WHATEVER. HOPEFULLY WHEN WE DO THIS TAKE ONE BIG FELL SWOOP AND GET F. D.O.T. NOBODY HERE AND MY CONCERN IS 24TH AND VIRGINIA AND EVEN PUTTING SOMETHING BACK THERE TO NAVIGATE THOSE PARENTS TRYING TO COME SOUTH TO GET OUT

OF THERE. >> COMMISSIONER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST OF WARRANTS. THEY CONSIDER THE ROADS OF THE NETWORK IN THE CITY. I THINK IT IS NUMBER 8 ON THE WARRANT STUDY. BUT A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: EVEN THOUGH FDOT DOES NOT TAKE INTO FUTURE EXPANSION AND GROWTH, WE KNOW T IT.

IT BEHOOVES US TO START THIS PROCESS RIGHT NOW AND INVESTIGATE IT. WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO FURTHER TO FIND OUT IF WE CAN -- IF WE CAN -- BECAUSE THEIR FINAL DECISION. FDOT'S FINAL DECISION ON THE

SIGNALIZATION? >> BECAUSE IT IS A STATE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A STATE ROAD. OKAY, AND I ALSO THINK, MR. MIMS, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS YOU, YOU OR JACK, THAT WE AT LEAST LET THE COUNTY KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AND CONCERNED ABOUT IT. BECAUSE THE COUNTY CAN RIGHT THERE. AND THE COUNTY SHOULD BE CONCERNED AND NICE TO HAVE THAT ON THE BOARD TOO.

SOUNDS TO ME WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD PURSUE THIS FURTHER. IS THAT RIGHT? WE GOT IT? ANYTHING ELSE.

JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

THANK YOU, JACK. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

[b. City of Fort Pierce Equity Profile for Closing the Racial Gap in Homeownership presented by the Florida Housing Coalition.]

>> OKAY, THE NEXT ITEM ON AGENDA IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE EQUITY PROFILE FOR CLOSING THE RACIAL GAPS IN HOMEOWNERSHIP PRESENTING THE FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION.

>>NICK MIMMS: WE HAVE GUESTS TODAY THAT WILL GIVE US A PRESENTATION. THEIR FINDS INTO THEIR INVESTIGATION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE HOMEOWNERSHIP GAP. THIS IS BY THE FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION AND MISS SHAWN NECESSARY BY THE, AND YOU CAME BY YOURSELF. YOU DIDN'T BRING CODEY?

>> CODY IS NOT HERE, BUT WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE WITH ME.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WELCOME. >>NICK MIMMS: THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. YOU SEE THE ENTIRE GRANTS ADMINISTRATION IS IN ATTENDANCE AND SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATOR AND ALL CONTRIBUTED TO THE INPUT TO GET TO THIS POINT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS. MR. MIMS SAID IT FOR THE RECORD.

>> SHAWN NECESSARY BY THE. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

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I AM SHAWN NECESSARY BY THE, THE CHIEF PROGRAMS OFFICER.

CHARGED WITH US FROM TALL E TALLAHASSEE.

GREAT TO BE HERE IN BEAUTIFUL FORT PIERCE.

I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MR. MIMS AND HIS STAFF.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON HAVE BEEN A PART OF THESE CONVERSATIONS.

YOU WERE AWARDED A TECHNICAL ASSISTANT GRANT.

IT WAS A STATEWIDE COMPETITION, COMPETITIVE APPLICATION AND WE ARE EXCITED TO BE HERE AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE CITY TO CLOSE THE HOMEOIP GAP. MY PRESENTATION -- HOMEOWNER P GAP. MY PRESENTATION LOOKING AT HISTORICAL DATA AND COMING UP WITH PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS AND AS WE MOVE INTO IMPLEMENTATION.

WE DON'T JUST WANT TO DO A PLAN, WE WANT TO GET SOME THINGS R T RIGHT. TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD AND HOW TO JUMP START SOME OF THE EFFORTS TO CLOSE THE GAP.

SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION.

WE HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR 40 Y S YEARS.

WE ARE A STATEWIDE NONPROFIT. OUR MISSION IS TO BRING TOGETHER HOUSING ADVOCATES AND RESOURCES. PROMOTE HOUSING FOR ALL FLORIDIANS, THAT EVERYBODY CAN HAVE HOUSING AFFORDABLE OF THEM OF THEIR CHOOSING. SO AS I WORK WITH OUR STAFF, WE DO TRAINING AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND WORK WITH OVER GOVERNMENT IN THE STATE. THE SHIP PROGRAM, THE SADOWSKI TRUST FUND. THE AT THAT TIME LIST PROGRAM, THAT PROVIDES TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE AND TRAINING TO STAFF TO PROMOTE THOSE PROGRAMS WITH EXCEL EN AND WE DO THOSE PROGRAMS THROUGH THE STATE AND WITH THOSE CONNECTIONS WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WITH THINGS LIKE THIS, SPECIAL PROGRAMS TO REALLY DO VERY GOOD DEEP WORK WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. SO THE CLOSING THE GAP PROGRAM IS A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE GRANT FOR OUR FUNDERS.

NO COST TO YOU. BUT US BRINGING OUR RESOURCES TO COME ALONGSIDE THE COMMUNITY AND ADDRESS AN ISSUE THAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO THE COMPONENTS OF BEING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THESE FIRST SIX MONTHS. WE REALLY KIND OF KICKED OFF WITH THE CITY IN SEPTEMBER. WORKING WITH STAFF.

AND THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN INTERVIEWS AND DISCUSSIONS TO COME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT ARE GOING TO WORK SPECIFICALLY FOR FORT PIERCE. WE LOOK AT THE GAP IN HOMEOWNERSHIP AND EVERY COMMUNITY IS UNIQUE AND DIFFERENT, AND WE WANT TO IDENTIFY WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR FORT PIERCE. THE NEXT STEP WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY, PARTICULARLY WITH STAFF ON POLICY AND PROGRAM ALIGNMENT. WORKING WITH THE NONPROFIT COMMUNITY ON CAPACITY BUILDING AND, OF COURSE, WE BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THE ROLE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, IN THE POWER OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO CREATE POSITIVE CHANGE.

AND WE KNOW THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT CAN'T DO THIS WORK BY IT SELF, SO DEFINITELY A ROLE FOR PRIVATE SECTOR INVOLVEMENT AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT. JUST SOME LOCK KEY FINDINGS AND YOU HAVE A DRAFT OF THE PRO FILE AND THINGS WE FOUND, OF COURSE, LINGERING SEGREGATION, ECONOMIC ISOLATION.

A LOT OF THIS RESULTING FROM POLICIES AND PROGRAMS IN THE PAST THAT CREATED THE REALITY THAT WE SEE TODAY.

THE LOW INCOMES AND HOUSING COST BURDEN.

WE KNOW THAT THE RENTER'S COST BURDEN IS VERY HIGH BECAUSE INCOMES ARE LOW. WHEN RENTERS CAN'T SAVE FOR A DOWNPAYMENT CREATES OBSTACLES FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP.

WE FOCUS ON THE LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY BECAUSE AS IT IS CHALLENGED BUT HAS THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE I E ISSUE. LOOKING AT THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY, WE SEE, YOU KNOW, THE EMPTY LOTS, THE TILE ISSUES.

A HUGE CONE ESSENTIAL OPERATION OF PROPERTY IN THAT COMMUNITY WHICH IS, IF THAT IS UNLOCKED, COULD HAVE PEOPLE TO HAVE CLEAR TITLE AND HOMEOWNERSHIP. LACK OF BUYER EDUCATION.

WE KNOW THAT THE CITY DO HOME BUYER EDUCATION SEMINARS PERIODICALLY, BUT NOT A H HUD-CERTIFIED COUNSELING AGENCY IN THE CITY, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO ACCESS TO EDUCATION BUT ALSO TO LOAN PROJECTS OF FREDDIE MAC AND

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WE ARE SEEING THAT ACROSS THE BOARD WHICH IS INCREASING THE AFFORDABILITY GAP. AND THEN I WILL SAY LIMITED RESOURCES. BUT I WOULD SAY THE CITY IS DOING QUITE A THINGS RIGHT. AND THINGS THAT ARE IN PLACE AND JUST A LITTLE BETTER COORDINATION OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE CAN GO A LONG WAY OF ADDRESSING THE ISSUE.

SO SOME OF OUR PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS, FIRST OF ALL, FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS WITH KNOWLEDGE AND RESOURCES THAT WE NEED. HOMEBUYER EDUCATION AND EXPANDING THAT TO A REALLY CITY WIDE EFFORT THAT INVOLVES OUR NONPROFIT COMMUNITIES, RELIGIOUS ORGANIZES, OTHER COMMUNITY GROUP. AND GETTING EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH GETTING INFORMATION OUT TO FOLKS FOR HOMEOWNERSHIP.

SEVERAL ACTIONS IN THE REPORT THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT ADDRESS THIS. BUILDING CAPACITY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW FOCUSING ON HOW WE CAN CREATE OPPORTUNITY FOR EXISTING RESIDENTS TO MOVE INTO HOMEOWNERSHIP, AND REALLY UNLOCKING THE GREAT DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL THAT EXISTS IN THE LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY WITH THE VACANT LOTS. A LOT OF THEM CITY-OWNED, FOR EXAMPLE. LOOKING AT THE TIDAL ISSUE.

WE KNOW THAT THE CRA AND OTHER PROGRAMS GETTING STARTED.

THE RESIDENTIAL INFILL LOT PROGRAM.

THE LIEN WAIVERS. AND KIND OF ROLLING ROLLING ALL THAT TOGETHER WITH ADDITION REAL SOURCES CAN CREATE A POWERFULFUL TO MOM FOLKS INTO HOMEOWNERSHIP AND LIFT UP THE COMMUNITY ALMOST ECONOMICALLY CREATING BUSINESSES AND THING OF THAT NATURE.

FACILITATING HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES CITYWIDE.

I WILL TALK OF ONE THING WE SAW HERE.

IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE WE HAVE A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM WHICH IS AN AMAZING THING WE HAVE TO ADDRESS WORK FORCE HOUSING AND CREATE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.

IF YOU LOOK AT OPPORTUNITY AND DEVELOPING OTHER PLACES TO KIND OF MIX THE INCOMES IN THOSE COMMUNITIES AND CREATE LIMITED AFFORDABILITY. THE BONES ARE THERE AND TO JUMP OFF AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT THAT YOU ALREADY HAD THAT.

A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DON'T HAVE THAT IN PLACE.

HAVING THAT ALREADY THERE IN YOUR CODE, JUST A MATTER OF SUPPORTING IT TO GET IT GOING IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING. AND SO, WITH THAT, I WANTED TO TALK BRIEFLY OF YOUR STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS AND HOW THOSE CAN BE USED FOR THIS PURPOSE, BUT BROADLY AROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PART TWO OF THE PRESENTATION.

WE KNOW INTO THESE FUNDS ARE AWARDED STATEWIDE.

YOU CAN USE THEM FOR A VARIETY OF THINGS.

OF COURSE, WE RECOMMEND USING SOME OF THOSE FUNDS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SOME OF THE THINGS THEY APPLY.

OBLIGATED FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS IN 2026.

TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE IN A SENSE, AND WE CAN USE THEM FOR A LOT OF THINGS AND A LOT OF NEEDS, BUT WANT YOU TO CONSIDER AFFORDABLE HOUSINGAS ONE OF THOSE.

AS FAR AS THINGS YOU CAN DO FOR HOUSING, CONSTRUCTION LAND ACQUISITION, PERSONAL ASS E ASSISTANCE.

THE SPECTRUM IS WIDE OPEN. YOU TIDAL CLEARING.

YOU CAN USE IT FOR CAPACITY BUILDING ACTIVITIES FOR NONPROFIT. A WIDE SPECTRUM, A WAY TO USE THESE DOLLARS TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND YOU KNOW JUST TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS KIND OF THE -- LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND WHAT QUALIFIES WHO CAN BE SERVED WITH THESE DOLLARS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE INCOME L S LIMITS. WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU AND ALSO THE REGULATIONS ARE PRETTY NEW BUT PRESUMED ELIGIBILITY FOR THOSE WHO QUALIFY FOR HOME.

THE CITY RECEIVED SOME HOME DOLLARS.

THOSE WHO QUALIFY FOR SECTION 8 VOUCHERS.

THOSE WHO FALL INTO THE INCOME CATEGORIES THAT QUALIFY.

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HOUSEHOLDS THAT RECEIVE ME D MEDICAID, SSI, TANFS.

THESE ARE FOLKS WHO ARE PRESUMED ELIGIBLE AND LOOK AT THE WIDER NEED WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY TO DETERMINE ELIGIBILITY.

IF YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE, THIS IS HOW YOU CAN JUSTIFY BASED ON THE IMPACT. THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF TIE TO THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC. IF FOLKS WITH HIGHER INCOMES IN THE COMMUNITY ARE IMPACTED THEY CAN BE AVAILABLE TO USE THOSE FUNDS IN THE SYSTEM. A GRANT, LOAN, IN KIND SERVICES.

ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN USE THE FUNDING.

IT IS ONCE IN A GENERATION. THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES. AND YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY THAT IS BEING RECEIVED.

FORT PIERCE, $13.5 MILLION THAT YOU RECEIVED.

I KNOW A LOT OF IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DEVOTED TO OTHER THINGS, BUT LOOKING AT WHAT REMAINS AVAILABLE AND TO CONSIDER USING A PORTION OF THAT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

JUST AS COMPARISON, THE 13.5 COMPARED TO WHAT YOU EXPECT TO RECEIVE HAVE SHLF. GREAT YEAR FOR HOUSING.

MORE MONEY WE RECEIVED IN OVER 20 YEARS FROM THE STATE LENTS PUMP FOR THE FIRST TIME. FORT PIERCE IS RECEIVING ABOVE THE MINIMUM ALLOCATION OF $350,000.

SO THAT IS GREAT. TO GET $460,000 IS GREAT, COMBINE IF T WITH THE CDBG, HOME DOLLARS, OTHER DOLLARS, EVERYTHING YOU HAVE GOING IS A FANTASTIC TIME TO RECEIVE ALL OF THESE RESOURCES TO ADDRESS A GREAT NEED.

AND ALSO THE INFRASTRUCTURE DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN FROM THE STATE, AS WELL AS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE STATE LEVEL, SO YOU HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES NOW THAT CAN REALLY BE USED TOWARD ADDRESSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ST.

PETERSBURG IS OUR LEADERSHIP, THEY ARE USING 76% FOR THEIR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AS YOU CONSIDER IT, YOU ARE NOT ALONE. IN GOOD COMPANY WHO ARE LOOKING AROUND THE STATE FOR FISCAL RECOVERY DOLLARS FOR HOUSING.

SO COMES THINGS THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER.

AGAIN, JUMP STARTING YOUR W WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM AND JUST WANTED TO SHARE AN EXAMPLE TO THE SOUTH OF YOU IN PORT ST.

LUCIE. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE WITH THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST WHICH IS A PART OF YOUR WORKFORCE HOUSING LEGISLATION. THEY PARTNERED WITH THE COMMUNITY LANDS TRUST OF PALM BEACH COUNTY TO DOLE HOUSING ON CITY LOTS AND THEY PROVIDE THE LOTS AND USED SOME OF THEIR REMAINING NSP DOLLARS. NEIGHBORHOOD STABILIZATION PROGRAM. CDBG DOLLARS.

THEY DO CONSTRUCTION FINANCING. AND BUILT THE HOUSES WITH THOSE DOLLARS ON CITY LOTS. SO TAKING A COST OF LAND AND THE LOW COST OF CONSTRUCTION, THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO SELL HOMES FOR BETWEEN 74,000 AND 130,000, WHICH IS UNHEARD OF IN THIS CURRENT MARKET IN THEY ARE ABLE TO SELL HOMES AT THAT LOW PRICE AT THAT AFFORDABLE RATE. RECENTLY HAD AN OPEN HOUSE AND 8 800 FOLKS SHOW UP WITH THESE PRICES.

A LOT OF FOLKS ARE LOOKING AT THAT.

THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH THE RESOURCES THAT THEY HAVE. AND THOSE HOMES WILL BE PERMANENTLY AFFORDABLE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST.

THAT IS AN EXAMPLE RIGHT HERE IN ST. LUCY COUNTY THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT. AND YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN BRING TO YOU AS YOU LOOK AT JUMP STARTING THE WORKFORCE HOUSING PROGRAM. ANOTHER IDEA THE OAKS AT MOORE CREEK. THAT YOU ARE ALREADY DOING.

15 HOMES ON CITY LAND PROVIDING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO ENSURE THE SUCCESS OF THAT PROJECT. WE KNOW YOU HAVE SUPPORTED THAT QUITE A BIT WITH THE LAND AND THE FUNDING AND USING FISCAL RECOVERY DOLLARS FOR GAAP FINDING FOR THE PURCHASERS OF THAT PROPERTY WILL BE A GREAT USE OF FUNDS.

AND ALSO SUPPORTING DOCTOR YOU KNOW HOW WE CAN UNLOCK THE

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LOOKING AT TITLE CLEARING, CONSTRUCTION, REHAB ASSISTANCE, WORKING, DOING CAPACITY BUILDING FOR NONPROFITS THAT WANT TO BUILD AND OTHER -- OTHER COMPANIES THAT WANT TO BUILD IN OUR COMMUNITY. A LOT OF THINGS TO LOOK AT AND FOOD FOR THOUGHT OF HOW YOU CAN TAKE SOME OF, YOU REMAINING FISCAL RECOVERY DOLLARS AND USE IT TOWARD THIS PURPOSE AND HAVE REALLY STRONG IMPACT ON THE CITY IN TERMS OF EQUITY AND ECONOMIC OUTLOOK AND, OF COURSE, BENEFITING THE CITY ONCE AND FOR ALL. THIS IS MY CONTACT INFORMATION.

AND CODY GLAZER IS OUR LEGAL DIRECTOR AND EXPERT IN EVERYTHING RELATED TO ARPA. SO DEFINITELY ENCOURAGE YOU AFTER TODAY, AS YOU CONSIDER THIS, YOU KNOW, E-MAIL US, GIVE US A CALM. OUR VIRTUAL DOORS ARE ALWAYS

OPEN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GREAT.

ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. NECESSARY BY THE?

ANY SDMUTION YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THANK YOU FOR THAT. A GREAT LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME TO COME UP WITH CREATIVE WAYS TO HELP THIS ISSUE WE ARE FACING WITH. I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH WITH THE RISING CONSTRUCTION COSTS. HOW DO YOU HANDLE THAT AS AN AGENCY? OR HOW DO YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE LOCALS HELP WITH CONSTRUCTION COST.

CONCRETE WENT UP 20 A CUBIC YARD.

HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THAT? >> A GREAT QUESTION.

WE ALL IN THE INDUSTRY ARE KIND OF WRESTLING WITH THAT.

I THINK THERE ARE SOLUTIONS OUT THERE, LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND METHODS.

UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF IT HAS NOT SCALED UP TO THE LEVEL THEY CAN BE DONE ON A MASS LEVEL. AND LOOKING AT POLICIES AND PROCEDURES HOW WE REVIEW BUILDING PLANS AND INSPECT PROPERTY. THINGS BUILT QUICKLY AND WITHIN DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE ARE NOT USED TO.

IT REALLY REQUIRES ACCOMPLISHING A LOOK AT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

AND HOW WE INTERACT WITH THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES.

SO I WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT, AS WE LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE CONSTRUCTION METHODS AND SOME OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT FOLKS ARE PUTTING OUT THERE, LOOKING AT ENTIRE SYSTEM.

LOOKING AT THE REGULATORY SYSTEM.

LOOKING AT THE FINANCE SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT HAS TO GO INTO THAT.3 BUT EVERYBODY, BIG OR SMALL, IS WRESTLING WITH THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND SUPPLY CHAIN.

THEY NEED A CONFIDENCE OF HOW THEY CAN WORK.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT MAKES SENSE.

PROBABLY NO GOOD ANSWER. A CHALLENGE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

>> CERTAINLY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: IF YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES.

YOU TALKED OF THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE FRAMEWORK VERY BRIEFLY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL ME ON THE SLIDE AT THE VERY BEGINNING E HERE. WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> ONE OF THE THINGS -- HANDS IT IS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

LOOKING AT WATER, WASTEWATER AS AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, BOOED SUPPORT AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE AND THIS IS TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT -- HOW EVERYONE IS COMING TOGETHER TO SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE REALLY A LOT OF MONEY FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND WASTEWATER.

WASTEWATER EFFICIENT PROGRAM. THERE IS DECENTRALIZED WASTEWATER PROGRAM. $50 MILLION ANNUALLY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THINGS TO MAKE HOMEOWNERSHIP, HOUSING, SUFFICIENCY, SUSTAINABILITY.

THERE ARE A LOT OF RESOURCES AVAILABLE AROUND THAT JUST TO SAY YOU CAN USE THOSE DOLLARS AS WELL ALONG WITH YOUR OTHER MONEY AND YOUR HOUSING DOLLARS TO CREATE HIGHER LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY AS WELL AS SUSTAINABILITY LONG TERM.

THIS IS REALLY TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THERE IS BROAD SUPPORT AROUND INFRASTRUCTURE AND SOMETHING YOU CAN TAP INTO

SOMETHING FOR HOUSING. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I GOT THROWN OUT FOR THE LAST PART OF THE SENTENCE -- THE FIRST LINE IT SAYS "INSTEAD OF HOUSING.

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WHEN YOU SAID THAT ARE I GOT THROWN OFF.

BASICALLY A BROAD STROKE -- WE HAVE THESE OTHER MONIES COME IN THAT CAN HELP OFFSET THE COST OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I GOT CAUGHT UP FOR A SECOND. I NEEDED TO MAKE SURE I UNDER

STAND TO. >> UNDER STOOD.

>> IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AS A COASTAL COMMUNITY, WE HAVE THESE PROBLEMS EVERY DAY AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO EXPANDS OUR SYSTEMS AND CREATE A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT FOR OUR FOLKS TO LIVE AND, OF COURSE, FOR OUR EXISTING ENVIRONMENT.

THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON AND COMMISSIONER%.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THANK YOU.

NICE TO SEE NEW PERSON. THE WORK YOU PUT THIS AND THANK YOU TO STAFF, MR. MIMS, I KNOW THE STAFF HAS PUT IN QUITE A BIT OF HOURS MEETING WITH MR. PUTTING TOGETHER A PLAN OR INFORMATION SO WE CAN GET A PLAN.

I WANTED TO FOCUS ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOU TALKED OF THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PARTS.

WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS. YOU LOOKED UNDER THE HOOD.

YOU IDENTIFIED WHAT WE HAVE. WHAT WE CAN DO.

I AM MORE LIKE, WHAT ARE THOSE ACTIONAL STEPS AND WHEN WILL WE GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT AND WHERE ARE YOU GOING WITH THIS?

>> RIGHT. OUR NEXT STEPS.

LATER ON TODAY WILL BE MEETING FURTHER WITH STAFF IS TO LOOK AT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE LAID OUT AND HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THOSE AND WHICH ONES THAT STAFF BELIEVES SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD AND IN CONSULTATION WITH THE COMMUNITY.

THE STAFF HAS PUT TOGETHER A SMALL WORK GROUP OF FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACT TO THIS AND GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK. SO AS STAFF SAYS, THE FIRST THING WE WANT TO TACKLE IS HOME BUYER EDUCATION.

WE WILL ACTUALLY LOOK AT THAT IN DETAIL.

LAY OUT SOME SPECIFIC STEPS TO IMPLEMENT THAT PARTICULAR STRATEGY. SO SOME THINGS THAT WE WILL DO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, PROVIDING TRAINING IF THERE IS ANY TRAINING THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH STAFF AND NONPROFIT.

HOW WE CAN HELP NAVIGATE PROJECT OF BECOMING HUG CERTIFIED AND SUPPORT THAT THROUGH A WEEKEND AND BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL RESOURCES FROM OUR MEMBERS OF OUR ORGANIZATION OUTSIDE OF THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, LENDING INSTITUTIONS AND SUPPORT THAT.

AND WORKING TO GET THAT GOING AND THIS WILL BE HAPPENING VERY SHORTLY. SO, AGAIN, PRIORITIZATION, A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. AND ACTUALLY DOING THE WORK OF

IMPLEMENTING. >> YOU WILL COME BACK WITH THAT AND PRESENT US TO AS TO WHAT YOU HAVE ON THAT.

THAT IS A CRITICAL PART. WE HAVE TO PRIME THE PUMP.

PEOPLE PREPARED TO BUY A HOUSE AND DO OUR PART TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE SOME HOUSES TO BUY. THE MOST CRITICAL PART IN WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD HOUSES AND IF PEOPLE ARE NOT PREPARED, THERE IS TO DEMAND FOR IT OR PEOPLE BEING PREPARED TO GET INTO HOMEOWNERSHIP. THANK YOU FOR THAT WORK THAT I KNOW THAT YOU AND STAFF WILL BE EVENTUAL DHURING DOWN IN.

IT SOUNDS TO ME SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND THAT IS THE PART WE NEED TO GET CORRECT. A LOT OF NONPROFITS AND FA FAITH-BASED ORGANIZATION IN OUR COMMUNITY AND IT WILL BE VITAL THAT YOU -- THAT WE CONNECT WITH THEM TO GET THIS INFORMATION OUT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHEN YOU ARE READY TO GO PUBLIC TO GET THE PARTICIPANTS TO SIT THROUGH THE CLASSES.

CAN YOU GIVE US ANY IDEA KIND OF WHAT THAT TAKES WITH YOUR EXPERTISE IN WORKING WITH THIS BEFORE.

HOW LONG ARE THE CLASSES OR A PROGRAM?

>> YES, SO HUD CLASS, FOR EXAMPLE, MIGHT BE A DAY-LONG EIGHT-HOUR CLASS. THAT IS, LIKE, THE MINIMUM THAT IS REQUIRED FOR LENDING PROGRAMS TO HAVE A EIGHT-HOUR CLASS.

THAT IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT.

THE BIGGER PART IS THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GETTING THE INFORMATION AND FOLKS TO COME IN TO THOSE CLASSES.

WE FOUND THAT THE BEST WAY WILL GO TO THE PEOPLE.

THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO GO INTO LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR A NONPROFIT, BUT IF YOU GO TO WHERE THEY ARE.

THEY MIGHT NOT TRUST ME, BUT THEY TRUST THEIR PASTOR.

THEY TRUST THEIR FRATERNITY BROTHER.

THEIR AUNT, UNCLE. ANY KIND OF GOING OUT THE COMMUNITY IN DOING THAT KIND -- LAYING THAT GROUNDWORK AND SAYING THAT THE OPPORTUNITY IS THERE.

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THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER%.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WAS INVOLVED IN LOW-INCOME HOUSES FOR MANY YEARS WITH SECTION 8. AND WE TALKED OF PROGRAMS LITION THIS ALL THE TIME AND DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY.

RIGHT NOW NOT THE MONEY BUT THE WHERE.

>>WITHAL. THE SUPPORT GOING FORWARD.

I WILL TELL YOU A BRIEF STORY WE WENT TO OUR TOP TEN TENANTS WITH WHAT YOU MADE WITH THE SECTION, YOU WILL OWN THIS HOUSE FOR TEN YEARS. I COULDN'T GET ANY TAKERS AT FIRST. GENERATIONAL -- NOT POVERTY BUT GENERATION LEVEL OF INCOME THAT FOLKS NEVER, EVER THINK THEY WILL EVER OWN A HOUSE. START THERE AND YOU HAVE TO ONE DAY BELIEVE YOU CAN OWN A HOME. PEOPLE WITH THE PASTORS -- WE HAD TO GET PASTORS INVOLVED. FAMILY MEMBERS INVOLVED.

I HAD TO TELL PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

IF NOT THE RENTS WILL GO UP AND A CHANCE TO OWN SOMETHING.

FIVE OUT OF THE TEN AND THREE OF THEM MADE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE END AND NOW OWN THEIR HOMES. HOW DO WE TALK TO THOSE FOLKS AND PEOPLE. PEOPLE WHO CAN BE A HOMEOWNER.

PEOPLE MADE UP THEIR MIND SOMETHING THEY COULD NEVER ACHIEVE. AND RIGHT NOW ALL SIGNS ARE ALIGNED. THIS IS THE TIME TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. AND AN ANSWER BEYOND WHAT WE CAN SAY IN TERM OF POLICY SPIRITUAL THING THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS.

THOSE EXAMPLES, YOU LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL AND SAY I WAS IN THE SAME SITUATION THEY WERE IN AND THEY DID IT.

FOLKS CAN SEE MORE EXAMPLES OF INDIVIDUALS WHO ACTUALLY CROSSED THE FINISH LINE. THOSE WHO CROSS THE FINISH LINE ARE WILLING TO COME BACK AND SAY FOR THOSE WHO ARE BEHIND WHO ARE STILL TRYING TO RUN, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU CAN KEEP GOING.

IT IS NOT THAT FAR. IT IS -- IT IS ATTAINABLE.

YOU CAN DO IT. I WAS IN YOUR SHOES AND LOOK AT ME NOW. THERE IS A PATH FORWARD.

AND IF WE CAN REALLY BUILD THAT SUPPORT SYSTEM AROUND THOSE THAT DO WANT TO RUN THIS RACE AND REALLY ENCOURAGE THEM, I THINK WE CAN -- WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND SHOULDN'T BE ASHAMED OF THE FEW THAT GET STARTED.

THOSE FEW CAN TURN INTO MANY. IF WE MAKE THOSE FOLK A WITNESS OF THAT COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, YOU CAN DO IT.

JUST KEEP GOING. I REALLY FEEL LIKE THAT IS A BIG

-- BIG PART OF IT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MAYBE THROUGH THE CHURCHES AND THROUGH OUR EDUCATION COMPONENTS, YOU KNOW YOU -- EVEN OUR ADVERTISING SAY, YES, EVEN YOU CAN OWN YOUR OWN HOME AND THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT.

WHEN YOU START BELIEVING IN T THAT, IT CAN HAPPEN.

I WAS INVOLVED YEARS AND YEARS AGO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HAD A PROGRAM CALLED SELF-SUFFICIENT. THEY FUND YOU EDUCATION, TRANSPORTATION, THEY FOUND YOU CLOTHING, BABYSITTERS, MOVED YOU UP TO TRY TIME PROVE YOUR LIFE AND THEY ENDED UP -- AS YOU MADE MONEY IN THE MARKET, YOUR RENT STARTED GOING UP BUT CAPTURED THAT AMOUNT. AT THE END OF THE PROGRAM THEY GAVE THAT YOU TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A DOWN PAYMENT ON A HOME.

BUT STILL IT WAS REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT BECAUSE THE BELIEF JUST WASN'T THERE.

NOW I AM SAYING YOUNGER -- Y G YOUNGER ADULTS RIGHT NOW PROBABLY DIDN'T COME UP WITH THAT GENERATIONAL THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT I STILL THINK THAT -- THAT IS A CULTURAL THING WE HAVE GOT TO REALLY CRACK AND GET THOSE FOLKS OUT THERE FRONT AND CENTER AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THESE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE.

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

WHAT YOU SAID AND COMMISSIONER PERONA SAID, AT THESE MEETINGS AND YOU ARE READY TO GIVE IT TO THE LINCOLN PARK AND THE REST OF FORT PIERCE, WHEN YOU GUYS ARE READY, FIND ME.

I AM THE PERSON THAT CAN GET THE INFORMATION OUT.

I CAN HOST MEETINGS AT CHURCHES, BASEBALL FIELDS, WHEREVER WE NEED TO GO, BECAUSE WE CAN DO ALL THE WORK WE WANT TO DO.

YOU CAN DO ALL THE WORK YOU WANT TO DO.

UNLESS WE GET PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS REAL.

WE HAVE HEARD THESE DREAMS BEFORE.

THEY SAYS IT NOT FOR US, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

IT IS FOR EVERYBODY ELSE BUT US. I AM TELLING THE COMMUNITY AND TELLING YOU, SIR. ONCE YOU -- WE ARE READY.

I WAS HOPING IT COULD BE TOMORROW, BECAUSE IF IT IS TOMORROW, I CAN GET OUT -- START BEATING THE BUSHES AND DO IT.

YOU LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU NEED THE PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AND GET THE INFORMATION OUT, AND I HAVE THE PEOPLE THERE FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GREAT.

THAT IS GREAT. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

YOU MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES HUD CERTIFIED EDUCATION.

WE AS BEEN, AS A CITY, FROM TIME TO TIME IN THE PAST, WE HAD EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS FOR HOME BUYERS AND HOMEOWNERS.

WE ACTUALLY BUILT HOMES AND HELD MORTGAGE AGES AND HAD EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS AND WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE IN THAT BUSINESS OF CONSTANTLY -- AND ONE OF THEM AT THE COURT CENTER, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY ARE GOING TO TRY DO IS ENCOURAGE HOME BUYING AND ALSO EDUCATE AND TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. HUD CERTIFIED EDUCATION SOMEHOW SAYS THAT THE NATIONAL HUD GOT TO HAVE A STAMP OF APPROVAL ON EDUCATION. SO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB. TELL ME HOW WE GET THIS HUD

CERTIFIED EDUCATION. >> USUALLY INK IS IN PROCESS OF BECOMING A HUD CERTIFIED AGENCY. THERE YOU GO.

SO YOU ARE ON YOUR WAY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I IMAGINE WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU GOT TO LEARN THE RULES OF HUD TO BE HUD

CERTIFIED. >> THEY KIND OF HAVE STANDARDS AROUND EDUCATION. IT IS ALMOST LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE A MOVING TARGET. YOU HAVE TO BE DOING IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GOVERNMENT SPEAK IS WHAT I THINK.

THAT IS OKAY. WILLING TO DO IT AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS FOR. WE ALSO HAVE A HOUSING AUTHORITY HERE AND THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF HOUSING AND IN THE BUSINESS OF ACTUALLY PROVIDING HOUSING TO PEOPLE OF MODEST AND LOW INCOMES. I WOULD THINK THAT THEY WOULD HAVE HUD CERTIFIED EDUCATION AND I WILL FIND THAT OUT AND LET THEM KNOW THEY NEED TO DO THAT. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO DO, AT LEAST FROM THIS REPORT'S VIEWPOINT. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU -- WHEN YOU SAY "PORT ST. LUCIE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST." THE CITY OF ST. LUCIE IS NOT HOLDING THE MORTGAGE?

>> IS THAT RIGHT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAVE BEEN HOLDING MORTGAGES. SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN THAT BUSINESS. GOOD INTENTION -- BUT WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO GOOD INTENTIONS.

I HAD READ THE REPORT. IT HAS BEEN A WHILE, SO I AM GLAD THAT YOUR PRESENTATION KIND OF REFRESHED MY MEMORY.

AND APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK OF OUR STAFF AND YOU WORKING TOGETHER. I REALLY DO.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS DESPERATELY NEEDED.

AND ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK HAPPENED WITH THE CDBG FUNDS, WE DIVERTED SOME OF THOSE FOR PANDEMIC-RELATED ISSUES. AND WE THINK NOW THAT WE ARE NOT IN A PANDEMIC ANYMORE. SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT AND SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT, BUT I HEARD WE ARE IN THE ENDEMIC STAGE AND NOT THE PANDEMIC STAGE.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK TO THE BUSINESS THAT WE WERE IN BEFORE. BECAUSE WE DID A PRETTY GOOD B JOB, OUR CITY, WITH LIMITED 911 TERMS OF HELPING PEOPLE HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOUSING THAT WAS QUALITY HOUSING.

SO I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WANTS TO TALK A T ABOUT? THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND

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IT IS IMPORTANT. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

[c. Follow-up discussion to the Proposed Parking Ordinance Workshop.]

>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED PARKING ORDINANCE WORKSHOP.

>>NICK MIMMS: WE DO NOT HAVE A PRESENTATION TODAY.

WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR YOUR REVIEW.

AND THIS INFORMATION WAS PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED TO YOU THROUGH A PARKING PRESENTATION ALONG WITH OUR CONSULTANTS.

WE HAVE. WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT INFORMATION, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE INFORMATION.

AND WE HAVE INFORMATION ON THE TRAM, AS WELL AS, WE HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER CITY'S EXPERIENCES IN MOVING FORWARD WITH PAID PARKING. SO WE DO HAVE STAFF IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

BUT IN IS A CONTINUANCE OF THE PUBLIC INFORMATION WORKSHOPS THAT HAS BEEN HELD. AND THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION ON THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES THAT WERE BROUGHT TO YOU -- YOUR ATTENTION FOR REVIEW. SO THIS IS THE SIGN THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION AMONGST YOURSELVES AND WE ARE HERE TO ADD ANY TECHNICAL INFORMATION AS YOU

NEED. >> MAYOR HUDSON: SO IS THERE DISCUSSION ON PARKING? WE HAVE -- RESIDENTS, TO A PERSON, THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT HAPPY OF THE PROSPECT OF PAID PARKING. THERE IS NOBODY OUT THERE CALLING FOR IT. AND SO THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT WE DON'T DO IT, BUT IT'S -- IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT -- WELL, IT'S HARD -- IT'S HARD TO BUILD A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE LONGING FOR US TO CREATE PAID PARKING.

AND I -- I HAVE NOT EVEN HEARD IT FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS EVEN THOUGH THEY RECOGNIZE THERE IS A PARKING PROBLEM.

I HAVE -- I HAVE HEARD THAT ON THE BEACH, THE PARKING PROGRAMS. THIS IS KIND OF TOO GOER IN TROYBING SAY THAT I CAN PROVE IT OR DISPROVE IT.

THE ISSUES WITH PARKING ON THE BEACH ARE MOSTLY ISSUES OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE HERE. WHO COME COME HERE BECAUSE THERE IS NO PAID PARKING AND COME HERE BECAUSE THE BEACHES ARE NOT CROWDED AND THEY COME FROM OTHER PLACES IN FLORIDA.

SO TO ME, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IF WE MIGHT WANT TO DO IS START WITH A PILOT PROGRAM ON THE BEACH WITH SOME OF THE -- OF THE MOST USED AREAS AND PAID PARKING AND PERMITS FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN FORT PIERCE AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY WHICH IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUTIER. THE MORE CROWDED FLORIDA GETS, ESPECIALLY SOUTH FLORIDA, THE MORE PEOPLE WILL COME FROM OTHER PLACES TO USE OUR BEACHES AND PARK HERE.

MAYBE THAT GETS US STARTED TO AN CONVERSATION.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM MARE, I AGREE AND EXCEPT COSTS.

IT CREATES COST AND CONTRIBUTE ZERO.

I TALKED ABOUT THAT BEFORE IN OUR PARKS AND OUR WATERWAYS AND WE ARE THE CITY THAT HAVE THE MOST ACCESS TO -- PUBLIC ACCESS TO WATER. SO WHY NOT JUMP IN A CAR, GRAVEL AN HOUR AWAY, GO TO FORT PIERCE. AND YOU CAN PUT YOUR BOAT IN THE

WATER FOR FREE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: BOAT FOR FREE.

PARK FOR FREE. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: PLAY PICKLEBALL, EVERYTHING -- YOU BUY YOUR GAS IN THE TOWN YOU ARE FROM. BUY YOUR FOOD BUFFER COME UP.

THE IMPACT IN COST IS A LOT TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AND THEY MAKE NO CONTRIBUTION. SO, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS WAY TO CAPTURE THAT. THE OTHER THOUGHT -- AND I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT DOWNTOWN.

AND SOME -- SOME WHAT OF THAT I DO AGREE WITH, BUT REALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. THE SAME PEOPLE IN ARE SAYING IT -- I DON'T AGREE WITH PAID P PARKING IN DOWNTOWN, EXPECT US TO COME UP WITH A PARKING SOLUTION.

SO YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT DISCONNECT.

WE HAVE THE OVERLAY, THE BUSINESS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND DOWNTOWN, WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE PARKING IF OUR BUSINESS. THE BUSINESS PEOPLE AREN'T

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AS SOON AS YOU GET KINGS LANDING OUT OF THE GROUND AND THINGS STARTED HAPPENING, THAT PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE GONE.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE SAME PEOPLE THAT SAY -- I DON'T THINK THAT PAID PARKING NEEDS TO BE IN DOWNTOWN, WILL BE LOOKING AT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND POINTING AT EACH ONE OF YOU, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO PROVIDE ME WITH THE PARKING I NEED, RIGHT NOW. I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE OF FINDING A PARKING SPOT IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE ON ANY GIVEN DAY AT ANY GIVEN TIME. THAT'S WHAT THE REALITY.

SO I REALLY THINK IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PAID PARKING IN DOWNTOWN, YOU NEED TO HOOK IT TO A PARKING SOLUTION.

AND THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT.

AND PARKING SOLUTIONS? JEREMIAH, YOU CAN WEIGH IN.

THEY ARE NOT CHEAP. THEY ARE NOT CHEAP AT ALL.

AND IF WE DON'T PULL THE TRIGGER ON THAT SOON, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE GUEST GOING TO GET MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND.

SO IN MY MIND, IT IS -- IT IS NOT ABOUT 2022.

IT IS ABOUT THE NEXT 20, 30 YEARS AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO APPROACH THE ISSUES OF A GROWING ECONOMICALLY BLOWING-UP AREA AND WE ARE. ALL THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE APPROVED. ALL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ASKED TO COME IN HERE. DON'T WORRY ABOUT PARKING.

WE HAVE IT COVERED. WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

THIS IS THE FIGURING OUT PART. SO I REALLY THINK IT NEEDS TO BE

PART OF THE DISCUSSION. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: COMMISSIONER, I HEAR YOU. MY CONCERN IS PAID PARKING DOWNTOWNWN WILL NOT FIX OUR PROBLEM.

ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME DOWNTOWN ARE STILL GOING TO -- WHATEVER WE CHARGE TO PAY, THEY WILL STILL PAY, AND PEOPLE ARE -- I MEAN, INDUSTRIAL A PARKING PROBLEM.

I AGREE WE HAVE A -- WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION.

I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT SOLUTION.

I AM TRYING TO FIGURE THOUGHT SOLUTION.

YOU GO DOWNTOWN. EVERY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT.

EVERY FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT, IT IS FULL.

DURING THE WEEK. YOU HIT THERE CERTAIN TIMES DURING THE WEEK, IT'S FULL. WHAT DO WE LOSE 5%, 2% OF PEOPLE WHO SAY I AM NOT GOING TO PAY WHATEVER PARKING.

I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE THEY LOVE GOING DO N DOWNTOWN. AND FOR THEM TO GO DOWNTOWN, THEY ARE GOING TO PAY THE PARKING.

SO ARE WE GOING TO USE -- ARE WE USING PAID PARKING TO TRY TO FUNDING IS IN THE FUTURE? THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND WE HAVE TO GET -- WE HAVE TO GET THAT TO THE COMMUNITY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING DO.

BUT IF WE THINK WE ARE GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM -- LIKE I D SAID, I KNOW IT IS NOT 2022. BUT 2022 IS WHERE WE ARE NOW AND IF WE TALK OF PAID PARKING 2022 AND 2023, THE RESIDENTS WILL BE HIT RIGHT NOW AND THEY WILL NOT COME TO FORT PIERCE BECAUSE -- OR GOING DOWNTOWN JUST BECAUSE OF PAID PARKING.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HURTS OR NOT HURT THE BUSINESSES.

BUT THAT'S ALL I HEARD. CAN'T DO PAID PARKING.

BUT I HAVE ALREADY STARTED ANSWERING BACK WHAT YOU JUST SUGGESTED. WELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO.

YOU ARE DOWN HERE GIVING ME A SOLUTION.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS AS YOU JUST SAID.

YOU WANT MORE PARKING. YOU WANT MORE SOLUTIONS.

BUT EVERYTHING WE TRY DO, YOU ARE SAYING NO TO US.

I ALREADY STARTED SAYING IT TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO ME.

I JUST DON'T SEE RIGHT NOW THAT THAT THEY ARE TAXES CITIZENS FOR PACKING IS GOING TO SOLVE IT BECAUSE THEY MIGHT GRIPE FOR THE FIRST WEEKEND. BUT THE SECOND WEEKEND THEY WILL BE IN THERE AND THEY ARE GOING TO PAY IT AND START COMING IN AND COMPLAINING. I DON'T SEE THAT AS A SOLUTION.

JUMPING TO THE BEACHES, I UNDER STAND AND KNOW THAT FORT PIERCE BEACHES, COME PUT YOUR BOAT IN. COME PLAY FOR FREE.

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I AGREE IF YOU GO ANYWHERE ON THE EAST COAST AND THE CITY HAS A BEAUTIFUL BEACH, YOU ARE GOING TO PAY TO GO TO THAT BEACH.

I AGREE 100%. YOU CAN GO -- YOU CAN NORTH FOR COCOA. SOUTH TO WEST PALM BEACH AND FT.

LAUDERDALE, YOU WILL PAY TO USE THEIR BEACH I WANT TO BE CLEAR WE ARE NOT HURTING ANYBODY COMING ON BOARD AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE PLAN OF WHAT BEACHES AND WHAT AREAS WE ARE GOING TO WHERE THIS POWER PLAN TO START THIS PARKING.

GOING NORTH AND SOUTH AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE IDEA WHERE YOU ARE GOING. AND STILL IN 2022 CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY GO NORTH TO THE BEACH.

SECOND PART OF THE COMMUNITY GO SOUTH TO THE BEACH.

AND I DON'T WANT A SITUATION WHERE ONE PART IS PAID.

ANOTHER PART IS NOT PAID. THAT IS JUST ANOTHER -- ANOTHER WHOLE, YOU KNOW, STEP THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH.

BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF STARTING A PROGRAM BECAUSE ON THE BE S BEACHES, BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IF YOU TRAVEL, YOU CAN'T GO TO SOMEONE ELSE'S BEACH WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT.

SO AS FAR AS DOWNTOWN, I AM JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY PICKING THOSE PARKING METERS -- NOT PARKING

METERS BUT PAID PARKING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

J. JACKSON. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: A LOT BOUNCING AROUND IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.

IT IS A BIG TOPIC AND A BIG CONVERSATION.

I WILL SAY THIS. I AM 50/50 ON THE PHONE CALLS ON PAID PARKING OR NO PAID PARKING. JUST ABOUT AT 50/50.

WHERE IT IS VERY CLOSE, 55/45. OR I WILL CALL IT 50/50.

HERE ARE THE CHALLENGES AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT.

AND BOTH COMMISSIONERS YOU TOUCHED ON IT AND HAS TO DO WITH INFRASTRUCTURE AND PARKING. AND WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO SOLVE.

IS IT -- ARE WE TRYING TO CREATE MORE TURNOVER IN PAID PARKING IN THE AREAS OF DOWNTOWN THAT WILL ALLOW MORE TURNOVER FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE OPERATING DOWNTOWN? I BELIEVE THAT IS THE ISSUE AT HAND.

BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE WITNESSED FIRST HAND TO THIS DAY AND YOU CAN PROBABLY GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW AND SEE IT THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE EMPLOYED DOWNTOWN ARE WORKING IN THOSE PARKING SPACES.

THEY MAY GET CAUGHT OR MAY NOT GET CAUGHT.

EVERY HOUR AND 59 MINUTES THEY GO OUT AND MOVE THE VEHICLE.

THAT IS JUST UNFORTUNATE BUT THAT IS WHAT IT IS.

WE NEED TO LET THE EMPLOYER HANDLE THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES BUT STILL A CHALLENGE. WE TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND GO BACK TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE PART. I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO HAVE A SOLID PLAN AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES WHEN ARE QUESTION BEING TO PINPOINT A LOCATION FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. TALKING OF DEVELOPMENT AND A POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE LEASING PARKING SPACES AN LOTS HERE AND THERE. THE BRIGHTLINE OR WHOEVER THAT CONTRACTOR DOWN THERE IS TAKING UP ONE OF OUR -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A GRASS LOT BUT A GRASS PARKING AREA DOWN ALONG MORRIS CREEK. SO WE HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACE THERE S IS.

BUT GET BACK TO WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO VERTICAL.

WE HAVE TO GO VERICAL. FIVE YEARS FROM NOW REAL ESTATE LAB TO EXPENSIVE AND IN LINE WITH WHERE OUR BUDGET IS AND WHAT VALUES THE REAL ESTATE ARE AT THAT DAY.

FOR DOWNTOWN, I THINK WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THAT AND IDENTIFY IT QUICKLY AND REALLY ADDRESS IT AND PUT SOLID NUMBERS.

BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, MAYBE THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE PAID PARKING. BECAUSE TO GET A BOND OR CREATE REVENUE, WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE REVENUE.

WE HAVE TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE THIS MUCH MONEY COMING IN.

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WE NEED A COMPARISON HOW MUCH WE OWE ON OUR EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WE ARE COMMITTED INTO IT AND 20 YEARS INTO IT AND HOWEVER THAT MAY BE AND HOW LONG FOR THAT NOTE TO BE PAID OUT. BUT COMMISSIONER PERONA, I THINK YOU SAID IT. WE JUST NEED TO DIAL IT IN AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AND HOW MUCH IT IS GOING TO COST AND DEDICATE THIS MUCH MONEY AND DEDICATE THIS MUCH REVENUE AND CREATE A PAID PARKING SYSTEM THAT WILL CREATE REVENUE. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THING THAT ARE DWIRLING AROUND IN MY HEAD. AND PAID -- TWIRLING AROUND IN MY HEAD, BUT PAID PARKING -- JUST A CHALLENGE OVERALL BECAUSE OF THE 50/50. NOBODY WILL BE HAPPY ABOUT IT AT THE END OF THE DAY. MR. MIMS, YOU GRABBED YOUR MICROPHONE. YOU HAVE MORE TO SAY.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. >>NICK MIMMS: I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. I WASN'T AT THE LAST -- YOU TALKED OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARKING AREAS.

I HEARD A COMMON THEME AMONG YOUR COMMENT.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IDE IDENTIFYING A SOLUTION.

AND ONCE WE HAVE THAT CONCEPTUALIZED SOLUTION YOU IDENTIFY A METHOD OR MEANS TO FINANCE AND PAY FOR IT.

THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, I DO BELIEVE IN DOWNTOWN AS THE PARKING STUDY SUGGEST, WE HAVE AMPLE PARKING.

THE PARKING IS NOT CONVENIENT. WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE, BUT NO ONE WANTS TO WALK, RIGHT.

I THINK WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT OUR PRIME AREAS OF FORT PIERCE IN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT HANDS AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE, THE MOST FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE AND BENEFICIAL WAY TO GO. IF WE ARE TO UNDERTAKE A 20 TO 25 MILLION EXPENDITURE, THAT IS GOING TO PUT SOME SERIOUS FINANCIAL STRAIN ON THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND PARKING STRUCTURES ARE NOT GETTING C P CHEAPER.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. YOU SAID THE COST OF CONCRETE AS IS STEEL AS IS LABOR. AND OUR PARTNERSHIP A PARTNER WILL CREATE A MIXED USE OR PARKING DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE DOWNTOWN A AREA.

IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INFORMATION FOR OUR FINANCES AND A DRAFT RFP FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF CERTAIN AREAS INTO DOWNTOWN. ONCE WE ESTABLISH THAT, WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A SOLUTION WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNER.

THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION. BUT LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T AT LAST MEETING TO SAY THAT ALREADY BUT THAT IS THE MOST FINANCIAL FEASIBLE SITUATION WE NEED TO DO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: LIKE A TRIPLE P.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE DON'T NEED TO COMPLICATE WITH A P 3. AND RFP AND DEVELOPMENT PARTNER.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU WANT TO CONTINUE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MR. MIHM AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS. AND HE SAID IT WELL BETTER THAN I SAID IT. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT.

WE DID IT WITH THE KINGS LANDING WITH KINGS POWER PLANT PROPERTY AND WHY NOT DO IT WITH OUR OTHER PARCELS OF THIS ADDITIONAL SOURCE A COMPONENT OF PAID PARKING GARAGE, THEN WE DO THAT COMPONENT. A PRIVATE PARTNER AND RFP AND THEY CONTROL IT AND OTHER PARTS WE CONTRIBUTE THROUGH AGREEMENTS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW -- SORRY, NOT WORKING ON IT --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: TALK ABOUT IT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WAITING FOR THE FIRST DIG OF THE SHOVEL AT KINGS LANDING.

I JUST DON'T SEE AND I AM WITH COMMISSIONER GAINES.

YOU SAID IT ALSO, WHAT ARE WE REALLY ACCOMPLISHING AND SO G SOLVING. ARE WE CREATING ANGST IN THE COMMUNITY OR ARE WE NOT? YOU KNOW I DO EXPERIMENT.

THE LAST TIME THAT WE TALK ABOUT THIS I FOUND PARKING SPACE ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE PARKING GARAGE, THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND DRIVEN IT AND DOCUMENT IT ON THE SPOT.

I GOT A SPOT, YAY, ME! WHAT MR. SMIMS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE ARE USED TO PARKING RIGHT OVER HERE INSTEAD OF RIGHT OVER THERE AND OVER THERE AND WALKING A BLOCK AND A HALF.

THAT IS AN IDEALISM THAT HAS TO CHANGE A LITTLE BIT.

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THIS IS ALL OVER THE MAP OF PAID PARKING.

ON THE BEACH SIDE LITTLE DIFFERENT THEME AND TUNE.

MAYOR, YOU SAID IT. I THINK THAT IS A GREAT TIME.

IN IS A GREAT TIME FOR A PILOT PROJECT.

I THINK WE NEED TO IDENTIFY A PLACE, JAYCEE PARK.

A BECAUSEWAY PARK, JETTY PARK. WE NEED TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA AND A PLAN TO SAY YOUR DENTS OF FORT PIERCE OR ST. LUCIE COUNTY, I DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS. I DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AND I WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO SAY.

WE HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE AND TAKE CARE OF THIS.

WE HAVE BEEN TO THE PARKS AND CLEANUP AND BEACH AREAS, A LOT OF STAFF TIME FOR THE UPKEEP. TRASH OR PARKING OVERLAY OR FENCING THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN DOWN.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: VANDALISM. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: VANDALISM -- OH, BY THE WAY, WE NEED A NEW BATHROOM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: EVERY DAY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

BECAUSE THEY ARE OVERUSED. >> MAYOR HUDSON: OVERUSED.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AND IT WILL DIAL DOWN APPROACH FOR US TO EVALUATE.

SEE WHAT THE DATA SAYS AND GO FROM THERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WILL GIVE US SOME EXPERIENCE.

I DON'T WANT TO START WITH THE WHOLE SALE OF THE PROGRAM OF PAID PARKING AND BEACH WITH NEW GADGETS PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DOWNLOAD THE APP AND PAY. BELIEVE ME, THAT PAYING PARKING COULD PALE THE COMPLAINTS -- PALE PATIENTS TO I CAN'T USE THE APP. I DON'T KNOW WHAT AN APP IS, I KNOW I CAN DO IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT.

I THINK WE CAN HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM ON THE BEACH WHERE WE HAVE REALLY A LOT OF ABUSE AND WHERE THE RESIDENTS REALLY WANT TO PROTECT THEM AND BE ABLE TO USE THE BEACHES AND THE BEACH

PARKS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WE MIGHT SEE THAT APPROACH IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY TOO.

IF WE WANT TO DIAL IT IN SOMEWHERE ELSE AND HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM, I AM OKAY WITH THAT. PINPOINT THE ONES OF THE FOLKS WHO ARE COMING ALL THE TIME FROM OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT IS THE LOCATION. I AM GOOD, THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: AGREE WHAT IS GOING ON.

PROBABLY MORE TENSE DOWNTOWN. BECAUSE I SEE THE TRAIN ACOMING.

BUT I IDENTIFY THAT. ALSO, TOO -- AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT THAT WHICH HAVE A FREE PARKING BEACH ACCESS ON THE BEACH AND DOWNTOWN THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED ALSO. NOT EVERYBODY WHO COMES TO DOWNTOWN WILL PAY. IF YOU WANT CONVENIENCE, YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THE CONVENIENCE. THE OTHER PART IS, AND I AM SURE IN OUR IN LIEU OF FUNDS AND RESTRICTED PARKING FUNDS, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. PLANNED MIMS TALKED OF 20 MILLION TO $25 MILLION AND WILL PROBABLY GO UP FROM THAT MOMENT.

AND I AM SURE WE DON'T HAVE THE DROP IN THE BUB KET COMPARED.

ONE THING TO CONSIDER TOO IS THAT WE SOLD SOME PROPERTY IN DOWNTOWN AREA. FISHERMAN'S WHARF, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO RESTRICT THAT FUND FOR THIS PURPOSE AS A SOLUTION TO START THIS WHOLE PROCESS OFF.

AND I REALLY -- WE TALKED ABOUT THAT SOFTLY BEFORE AND IF WE CAN GET THE THINKING AROUND THAT AND GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN MOVE THAT. WE GAVE UP AN ASSET.

WE STILL HAVE WE STIILL ACCESS TO THAT ASSET BUT GIVEN UP OWNERSHIP. IT GOES AWAY IN SOME EXPENSE IF WE DON'T SIT THERE AND MAKING IS THAT CAN LAST THROUGH TIME AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

PROBABLY NOT SOMETHING HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, BUT I NEED TO GET THAT OUT TO YOU ALL. A GREAT TIME TO RESTRICT THE FUNDS FOR PARKING SOLUTIONS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: VERY GOOD POINT.

COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: OKAY.

I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT -- COMMISSIONER JON SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ME. I HAVE DRIVEN DOWN FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT, NO PARKING. MAKE THAT LITTLE TURN, AND COME BACK IN, AND TO THE TOWER -- TO THE PARKING SPACE AND FIND A PARKING SPOT. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT $25 MILLION FOR ANOTHER -- FOR ANOTHER PARKING GRAGE OR SPACE, WHAT ARE WE DOING OR NOT DOING TO LET PEOPLE

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THERE IS A PARKING GARAGE -- A PARKING GARAGE RIGHT THERE LESS A COUPLE OF BLOCKS TO GET YOU WHEREVER YOU WANT TO GO.

SOMETHING THAT ANY MY HEAD -- WHAT ARE WE NOT DOING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT PARKING GARAGE IS THERE.

THE BEACH -- GOING BACK TO THE BEACHES.

SO I AM CLEAR WHAT EVERYBODY IS THINKING OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM.

SO ARE WE GOING TO JUST CHARGE NONRESIDENTS OR WILL RESIDENTS HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME TYPE OF PERMIT TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF PERMIT OR IS IT JUST -- THEY WILL GET A RESIDENT PERMIT AND SAY I AM A RESIDENT AND I AM GOING TO PARK AND WE JUST PARK OUT-OF-TOWNERS. THAT'S WHAT I AM TRYING TO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK THE LATTER IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ISSUE A PERMIT TO RESIDENTS WITH NO COST, I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

AND JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE NONRESIDENTS.

AND LIKE JEREMIAH SAYS ST. LUCIE AND FORT PIERCE, SOMETHING THAT

THE COMMISSION HAS TO DISCUSS. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: RESIDENTS FOR THE WHOLE CITY, NOT JUST RESIDENTS ON THE BEACH?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: OKAY.

WE WILL JUST BE LOOKING TO CHARGE OUT-OF-TOWNERS AND PEOPLE COMING IN TO FORT PIERCE. OKAY.

I CAN WORK WITH THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK WE HAVE PERMITS FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY BECAUSE IT IS THEIR

BEACHES TOO. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: OKAY.

AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID WITH THAT IDEA, WE WILL DO SOMETHING. LOOK FOR A SPOT DOWNTOWN TO DO A PILOT PROGRAM DOWNTOWN. WHERE DOWN.

JUST THE BEACHES. >> JUST THE BEACH.

I WAS TALKING OF PAID PARK GOING WESTERN TO DO SOME KIND OF VERTICAL STRUCTURE FOR OPTION FOR PAY JUST FOR THAT STRUCTURE.

YOU ARE GOING TO PAY FOR IT SOMEHOW.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY IT? THE BUDGET COMES IN AND THE

BUDGET GOES OUT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AGREE WITH THE PAID PARKING OF THE STRUCTURE, BUT WHY WOULD WE DO ANOTHER STRUCTURE IF THEY ARE NOT USING THE ONE THAT WE HAVE NOW. SO.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MAYOR, IF I COULD.

I LIKE THE PLAN. I AM A FIVE, TEN, 15-YEAR PLANNER. FOR ME FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE WILL HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

IF WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING ON THE BOOKS READY TO GO IN THE NEXT TWO AND A HALF TO THREE YEARS, WE WILL BE BEHIND THE 8-BALL. WE ARE IN NOT IN THE RIGHT POSITION. IT TAKES TWO OR THREE MORE YEARS TO CONSTRUCT THE FACILITY. FIVE YEARS FROM NOW YOU ARE GOING, OH, MAN, IN 2022 WHEN YOU HAD THAT SPECIAL MEETING SHOULD HAVE MADE THE DECISION TO GET STAFF ENGAGED.

THAT'S WHERE I AM. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: SIGNATURE HERE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE A FIVE, TEN, 1 15-YEAR DOWN THE ROAD. BUT MY CONCERN IS THE PARKING THAT WE HAVE NOW, IS NOT BEING UTILIZED BECAUSE OF DISTANCE.

PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO WALK. THAT IS WHAT I AM HEARING, R T

RIGHT? >> MAYOR HUDSON: THE LOCAL PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHERE THAT GARAGE IS HAVE A VARIETY OF REASONS NOT USING. ONE IS, THEY DON'T WANT TO WALK.

AT LEAST ONE. IN SOME CIRCLES SOME LADIES FOUND DANGEROUS -- THE PROSPECT OF DANGER.

THEY DON'T -- THEY WANT TO BE PARKING OUTSIDE.

BUT I THINK THAT IS THE TWO MAIN REASONS WHY LOCALS DON'T PARK IN THE GARAGE. I AM NOT SURE IF PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN KNOW WHERE THE GARAGE IS.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: BACK ON US TO GET THEM THERE.

AND COMMISSIONER JON. WHAT I AM HEARING AND I AGREE WITH YOU WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE CAN'T WAIT FOR ALL OF THIS STUFF BEING BUILT AND TALK ABOUT PARKING.

I AM 100% ON THAT. AND I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. IF WE DO SOMETHING ELSE, LOOKING TO SPEND MONEY TO PUT SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE ACTION SO TO SPEAK SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WALK OR LIKE YOU SAID TO FEAR MADAM M MAYOR TO FEAR ANOTHER GARAGE THAT IS, THERE.

IS THAT WHAT I AM HEARING, COMMISSIONER?

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: HE BELIEVES.

I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF ELEMENT TO IT.

AS DEVELOPMENT COME ON LINE AND POTENTIAL DEVELOPERS OR PRIVATE LANDOWNER LOOK AT THE PROSPECT OF WHAT THEIR PROPERTY IS WORTH, I THINK IT IS GOING TO BECOME IMPERATIVE THAT THEY PERFORM THEIR OWN DUE DILIGENCE TO P PARKING IN ADDITION TO --

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AGREE.

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>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: -- OUR CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND IF IT GETS COMPLICATED BY ACROSS U.S. 1.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET BEHIND US WHERE WE ARE SITTING HERE TODAY. THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORT S OPPORTUNITIES. THERE ALSO -- A LOT OF VACANT LAND RIGHT THERE. WE NEED FOLKS TO BUILD A FEW COMFORTABLE -- NUMBER ONE, CROSS SOMETHING ONE, BUT PARK THERE, DOWNTOWN. AND THEN IT BECOMES AN EXPERIENCE. THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN DESTINATION BECOMES AN EXPERIENCE. THE OTHER PART THINK THAT WANTED TO MAKE SURE THINK THAT STATED AND TWO PART AND I CAN'T REMEMBER ONE OF THEM. BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THE PART ABOUT THE INVESTMENT. THE BEAUTIFUL PART OF THE RFQ AND RFP. WE CAN WRITE LANGUAGE THAT SAYS BRING US WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AND BRING US WHAT YOUR IDEA IS.

THE DEVELOPER MAY PAY FOR IT AND SAY ARE YOU OKAY OF DOING A PARKING GARAGE ON YOUR CITY PROJECT WITH NO INVESTMENT FROM FORT PIERCE THEY COULD SAY I AM READY TO GO BECAUSE THEY SEE IT AS A REVENUE VENTURE. MISS EARLEY IS LIKE LET'S HAVE ONE OF THOSE BECAUSE THAT IS EASY.

I DON'T THINK IT WILL GO THAT WAY.

THAT IS OKAY. THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR IT.

A POTENTIAL FOR IT. WE CAN USE OUR MONEY.

A LOT OF SOFT COST IN THIS STUFF.

A LOT OF DESIGN FEES AN RESEARCH AND TITLE WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE. WE GOT THAT MONEY, MAYBE IF WE RESERVE IT HAVE THAT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

WE HAVE A SHOVEL-READY JOB. GRANTS COMING IN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WE DON'T HAVE A SHOVEL-READY JOB.

IF THEY SAY -- IF YOU GUYS -- NOT THAT THEY ARE INTERESTED IN INVESTING IN PARKING BUT A SHOVEL-READY PROJECT OR

POTENTIALLY COULD BE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON, YOU ARE QUIET.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SHOCKING, ISN'T IT?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A LITTLE S Y SCARY.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I AM MORE INTERESTED IN FOCUSING ON SOLUTIONS, RIGHT. WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON, WHEN TALKING OF PARKING ORDINANCES, A PROBLEM BROUGHT TO US BY THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION ALLIANCE.

THEY HAD A CONCERN FOR PARKING SPOTS NOT BEING TURNED.

SO WE WENT DOWN THAT PATH. WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS NOWHERE CLOSE TO THAT ORIGINAL ISSUE. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE AND WE ARE TRYING FORECAST. SO I THINK THAT -- AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I LINE THE THE POINT BY MR. NOIMS COME BACK US TO AND LOOK AT INCREASING CAPACITY DOWNTOWN.

UNTIL WE GET REAL NUMBERS WHAT THAT WILL COST, $25 MILLION, $30 MILLION, WE CAN REACT TO THE PUBLIC AND THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHICH WAY WE GO. BUT PUT THAT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THEM. THIS IS WHAT IT WILL COST AND WE NEED TO GO THERE AND FIGURE OUT THE FINANCIAL TOOLS TO GET US THERE. BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THERE AND EXPAND. THAT THE IS FIRST THING THIS HA HANDLED DOWNTOWN FOR ME. THERE ARE SOME THINGS STRATEGICALLY THAT WE CAN TO DO GET THE PEOPLE TO SEE THE GARAGE PARKING. A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH PROGRAMMING AND LIGHTING AND BUSINESSES TO THROUGH THE THAT MOVE PEOPLE IN A CERTAIN WAY. WAYS TO DO THIS KIND OF STUFF MOVE PEOPLE IN CERTAIN DIR N DIRECTIONS.

THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. BEACH START WHAT IS INTERESTING FOR ME. AS LONG AS WE ARE NOT TAXING RESIDENTS OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND FORT PIERCE ON ANY PART.

I CLEARLY GET WE HAVE VISITORS COMING IN AND WORK OUT THE LOGISTICS OUT WHAT DO THEY WAY, IF I PULL IN TO A MEETING AS A RESIDENTS. A GUY OR GIRL COMES BY, DO I GET A TICKET OR NOT GET A TICKET. OVERALL, I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY DOING THAT.

SO WHAT I HEARD IS BATHROOMS BEING DESTROYED.

VANDALISM. PRETTY HIGH BECAUSE IT IS WIDELY USED AND I THINK THE CITIZENS CAN APPRECIATE THAT WHEN WE FIX ONE OF THOSE THINGS COMING OUT OF GENERAL FUNDS AND SOMEWHERE AND TAKING AWAY FROM TAXES THAT THE CITIZENS PAY IN.

I GET IT. THAT IS RUN AROUND IN MY HEAD.

I KIND OF QUIETED EVERYTHING ELSE AND PRETTY MUCH SAID WE ARE WAITING ON STAFF AND NEED ST. ST/. LOUIS DOWNTOWN WHAT WE CAN DO AND PUT THAT OUT SO PEOPLE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF 25 MILLION TO $30 MILLION. ONCE WE DO THAT, I THINK WE CAN

REACT TO EVERYTHING ELSE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

HAVE WE COME TO SOME PLACE WHERE WE CAN GIVE MR. MIMS SOME DIRECTION. [LAUGHTER] BECAUSE -- LET'S JUST SAY WE START A PILOT PROGRAM ON THE BEACH, I HAVE MY IDEAS OF WHERE THAT MIGHT -- BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE ENFORCEMENT OF PARKING.

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PILOT PROGRAM. >>NICK MIMMS: WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND RESPONSE RIGHT THERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I KNOW WE DO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ARE WE GOING

TO PUT HER ON THE SPOT? >>NICK MIMMS: PUT HER ON THE

SPOT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: SHE HAS EXPERIENCE. THE EXPERIENCE WE NEED.

>>NICK MIMMS: ALL PEGGY TALKS ABOUT WITH TICKET, CITATIONS.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WE HAVE THAT IN OUR PACKET,

CITATION REPORT. >> MADAM CHAIR, COMMISSIONERS.

YES, FULLY SUPPORT THE PILOT PROGRAM ON THE BEACH BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST IMPACT FROM THE OUT-OF-TOWN RESIDENTS. THE MAIN THREE PARKS JETTY SOUTH CAUSEWAY AND JAYCEE PARK WHAT STAFF WOULD SUGGEST WITH THE PAID PARKING AND LEAVE FREE K PARKING A AVAILABLE.

ANY OF THE OTHER BEACHES ALONG -- ANY OF THE OTHER PARKING ALONG THE BEACH AND ALL THOSE CAN ALL STAY FREE FROM OUR

RECOMMENDATION. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YEP.

AND WHAT MAY HAPPEN AND I DON'T KNOW, WE MAY BE DRIVING THESE OUT-OF-TOWNERS TO THOSE BEACHES. BUT THAT WILL BE A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD OR MAYBE A MONTH. THIS IS GOING -- THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. A LOT OF PLANNING HAS TO GO INTO THIS. WE HAVE TO HAVE A VENDOR AND A SYSTEM. YEAH.

BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY CHOICES TO THOSE THREE PARKS, BECAUSE THOSE PARKS ARE SO HEAVILY USED AND I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND JAYCEE PARK HAVE PEOPLE PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSES AND PEOPLE -- I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE WAS A FENCE AT JAYCEE PARK THAT HAS BEEN SENTENCED SEVERAL TIMES AND THAT PARK TAKES A LOT OF ABUSE BECAUSE -- SO DOES JC -- JC PARK. AND AFFECT THOSE BUSINESSES AND MR. GAINES TALKED OF THE BUSINESSES.

HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANY THE BUSINESS OWNER THERE IS?

>> NO MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY, SO WE MIGHT BE -- HAVE A CONVERSATION SO WE KNOW HOW TO AFFECTS THEM.

WILL MIMS. >>NICK MIMMS: YES, MA'AM, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO PRIOR TO COVID, OUR STAFF WAS MEETING -- MEETING WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS OWNERS AND ALSO THE SOUTH BEACH BUSINESS OWNERS AND AT THAT TIME THE NUMBER ONE, TWO AND NUMBER THREE PRIORITY FOR THE SOUTH BEACH BUSINESS OWNERS WERE, WE WANT MORE PARKING. THAT'S IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THEY WANTED MORE BUT DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING

ABOUT PAID. >> OF COURSE NOT.

MORE PARKING. THAT WAS THEIR ONLY THING.

BUSINESS IS FINE BUT WE WANT MORE PARKING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ONE LOT THAT IS PRIVATE.

IS THAT FULL USUALLY ON WEEKEND AS SOON AS I DON'T PAY ANY

ATTENTION TO IT. >> I HAVEN'T SEEN IT OVERLY

USED. >> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF ABOUT ANYTHING?

YES. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THE PARKING ALONG SOUTH OCEAN, I THINK THAT IS NOT PART OF OUR

AUTHORITY, VAST? >> THE PARKING LOTS ARE OUR

AUTHORITY. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: ON-STREET PARKING. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE OWN THE ROAD. IS THAT A STATE ROAD? MIMMS NAIMZ IS A STATE ROAD, BUT IF THERE IS ANY TYPE OF PAID PARKING WE WILL TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO WORK WITH THE

STATE TO FACILITATE THAT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THE

STATE WILL ALLOW US. >>NICK MIMMS: I DON'T KNOW,

SIR. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: IN FACT I DON'T THINK YOUR ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS CAN DO ANYTHING WITH

THE PARKING ALONG -- YOU CAN? >> WE HAVE, YES.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WELL, GOOD.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT IS THE INFRACTION?

>> THE MOST RECENT ONE, THE BIKE LANE BECAME A PARKING SPOT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: OR IF THEY STAY THERE TWO DAYS AN DON'T

MOVE. >> WE HAD I'M OVER THE CURB.

ON THE SIDEWALK. LITERALLY BLOCKING ONE OF THE TRAFFIC LANES. BUT MOST RECENT ONE WAS USING A

BIKE LANE AS A TRAFFIC STOP. >> BACK TO THAT POINT.

FOLKS AND CAMPERS THERE FOR WEEKS.

>> THAT WAS A LEGITIMATE PARKING SPOT AND NOT MUCH WE COULD DO.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: A DIFFERENT RULE AND SITUATION THERE. OBVIOUSLY AN INFRACTION OF ANOTHER LANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT IF THEY ARE IN THAT PARKING SPACE, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH NOT UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYBODY ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: SORRY, WAIT A MINUTE.

ON THE REPORT, YOU TALKED ABOUT -- AND I WANT TO PERCENTAGE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE I READ THIS. CITATIONS OUT OF STATE AND ST.

LUCIE COUNTY. THE PERCENTAGE WE OWE -- THE PIE CHART THERE WAS THE PERCENTAGE COMPARED TO --

>> THAT WAS THE AVERAGE. I PULLED THREE RANDOM MONTHS AND USED THAT TO CREATE AN AVERAGE. SO THOSE PERCENTAGES OF THE AVERAGE OF THOSE THREE MONTHS WHICH ARE JUST RANDOMLY CHOSEN.

BUSY PERIOD. REALLY BUSY PERIOD, AND NOT SO

BUSY PERIOD. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: OKAY. MY POINT IS THAT 65% RESIDED AND OWNERS OF WERE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT BUT LOOKING AT THE DATA AND THE NUMBERS.

MY POINT IS ANY INDICATION THAT THE REMAINING 35% IS ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE FOR OUR PILOT PROGRAM.

WE ARE TALKING 35% OF FOLKS. IF WE WERE TO COMPARE IT TO HOW MANY VISIT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT A ACCURATE, SOME KIND OF DATA IN FRONT OF ME.

65% VISITED AND GOT TICKETS. LIVE IN ST. LUCY COUNTY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE FREEING UP IF WE HAVE PAID PARKING PERHAPS. I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW HOW DO YOU THE RESIDENT PERMIT.

I MEAN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT PLANS -- THEY GOT TO COME UP WITH THAT AND HOW WE DO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT -- IS THAT IS SOMETHING YOU MAIL OR ISSUE.

I JUST DON'T KNOW. SO THAT -- THAT IS GOING TO COST

MONEY AND COST MONEY. >> ONE OF THE GREEN TAGS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: AFTER THE HURRICANE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: EOC.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ONE TIME.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO COLLECT? TO ME, THAT IS THE MOST

CHALLENGING PART. >> NO, SIR.

I CAN COME UP WITH THE IDEAS, BUT THE LOGISTIC I WILL PUT TO

MR. MIMS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: HE IS A LOGISTIC GUYS. I LIKE IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. I THINK WHAT WE ARE HEARING FROM MR. MIMS SPACE IS A PILOT PROGRAM ON THE BEACH.

START THINKING OF THAT OF PAID PARKING THIS THOSE AREAS AND THING THE FPRA, YOU WERE TALKING OF REPORT A RFQ OR RFP, ISSUING SOME KIND OF DOCUMENT TO THE WORLD THAT SAYS TO THE WORLD WE ARE INTERESTED IN PARTNERING WITH YOU IN SUCH AN ADVENTURE OR

VENTURE. >>NICK MIMMS: JUST FOR CLARITY SAKE, THAT'S CORRECT. AS FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA WE ARE ALREADY IN PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THE WITH A RAM TERES FOR THE RFP FOR THE DEVELOPABLE PROPERTIES AND DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM WALKER DEVELOPMENTS OF THE SITE SELECTION AND THIS IS DOWNTOWN. AS FAR AS THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE THAT IS POSTPONED INDEFINITELY BASED ON WHAT I AM HEARING.

I AM HEARING THAT WE ARE NOT MOVING FORWARD.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DEFINITELY UNTIL -- UNTIL WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE AND SOMEBODY SAYS BRING IT BACK.

I AM LOOKING AT COMMISSIONER PERONA.

IT WILL STAND IN ABOUT TWO MONTH.

>>NICK MIMMS: WE MAY COME BACK TO REVISIONS AND THEN ON THE BEACH, JC PARK, SOUTH CAUSEWAY AND JETTY PARK.

PAID PARKING FOR VISITORS AND NO FEE FOR RESIDENTS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GO AHEAD. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THE TRAM PRESENTATION IS IN OUR PACKET.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ADVERTISE OR GET THAT FULLY OUT THERE THAT FOLKS CAN USE THE TRAM AND THE APP.

SAYS AN APP. I LOOKED FOR THE AN APP.

I NEED CLARIFICATION OF THAT P APP.

>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS APP. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ME EITHER. WE WILL FIND THAT APP.

WHILE HE IS WALKING FORWARD, ONE OF THE OLD REPORTS IN 2016 BEFORE I TOOK OFFICE, A RECOMMENDATION FOR DIGITALIZING THE PARKING GARAGE. AND THAT SHOULD BE AVAILABLE.

SIGN AGE THAT SAYS 87 PARKING SPOTS AVAILABLE.

YOU DON'T RIDE TO THE TOP AND FIGURE OUT THAT IT IS FULL --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: RARELY FULL. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WE SHOULD DO THAT. I THINK PERSONALLY THAT IS JUST

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TO DO THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: HAPPENS AT

AIRPORTS AND THINGS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: FORT PIERCE PARKING. THE FIRST THING IS PARKING

GARAGE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AND HOW MANY

SPOTS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: DIGITAL SIGNAGE. AT LEAST THE FOLKS COMING DOWNTOWN TO COME TO THAT PARK GARAGE.

RIGHT NOW YOU TYPE IN AND POP UP.

THANK YOU. >> MR. WILLS.

>> WE CAN DO A SPOT AND GET INFORMATION UP ON THE APP AND GET THAT ADVERTISED AND SHOW FOLKS HOW TO USE IT AND HOW TO DOWNLOAD IT, HOW TO USE IT, HOW TO SPOT THE TRAM.

IF YOU REVIEW THE INFORMATION ON THE TRAM, WE ARE NOT I GUESS WE USED THE TERM GOOD PROBLEM TO HAVE.

WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO START ADVERTISING STOP TIMES.

WE ADVERTISE STOP TIMES A TRAM WILL BE HERE EVERY 15 MINUTES, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ADHERE TO IT BECAUSE BEING UTILIZED THAT HEAVILY. AND GET THE APP IF PEOPLE ARE DOWNTOWN ON SECOND STREET, MAY WANT TO HEAD BACK TO THE CAR AND LOOK AT SEE WHERE THE TRAM IS. FOLLOWS A CONSISTENT ROUTE FOR THE MOST PART. MAY GO DOWN TO DROP SOMEONE OFF CLOSER TO THEIR CAR AND A CONSISTENT ROUTE TO BE ABLE TO OUT AUTHORIZE AND SEE WHERE IT IS AND KIND OF JUDGE WHEN THEY NEED TO STEP OUT ONTO THE CURB AND PICK UP A TRAM AND GO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO. MOVING FORWARD, THE RIDERSHIP IS UP CONSIDERABLY. THE FIRST YEAR OF COVID WAS REAL REALLY SLOW, BUT THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF WE HAVE SEEN RELATIONSHIP MOVE UP ON THAT -- RIDERSHIP MOVE UP ON THAT.

WE WANT TO PICK UP THE OPTION OF PICKING UP ANOTHER TRAM.

THERE WAS CONVERSATION OF BRINGING ON A FIRM TO DO THAT FOR US AND SOMETHING I AM SURE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING FURTHER

VERY SOON. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GREAT NEWS.

IT IS BEING HEAVILY USED. THAT TROLLEY, PEOPLE DIDN'T GET ON THAT TROLLEY. HAVING THE LOW OPEN VEHICLE MADE

THE DIFFERENCE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WHAT IS THE APP. I DON'T SEE IT.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR PRESENTATION THERE, SCREEN SHOTS FROM THE ACTUAL APP. WE WILL GET THAT OUT VERY, VERY QUICKLY. I WILL MAKE SURE THAT OUR OUTREACH COORDINATOR PUT A SPOT TO ADVERTISE ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA OUTLETS AND WEB SITE AND CHANNEL 27.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IS IT AVAILABLE ON THE WEB SITE NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT'S WHAT I AM TRYING TO FIND. I SEE THE SCREEN SHOTS.

I SEE THE TRAM APP NOW AVA E AVAILABLE.

ACTION FROM TSO MOBILE. IS THAT WHAT I HAVE.

SO I WILL LOOK INTO THAT AND E SEE.

IF IT IS HIDDEN SOMEWHERE TO BRING IT OUT TO THE FOREFRONT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: QR CODES.

SCAN IT AND BOOM, DOWNLOADED LITERALLY IN FIVE SECONDS.

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. GOING HIGH-TECH.

>> MR. MAYOR, BEFORE WE LEAVE, SOMETHING AS A CONCESSIONARY TYPE THING. I WOULD LIKE A CONSENSUS OF HAVING A FORMAL DISCUSSION OF SETTING UP A RESTRICTED FUND FOR

PARKING SOLUTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WE SAID THAT TWO OR THREE TIMES.

WE HAVE ASSETS AND I THINK THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO START PUTTING SEED MONEY INTO T IT.

AND IDENTIFYING FINANCE RATHER THAN WAIT UNTIL THE PROBLEM IS

ALREADY HERE BEFORE WE START. >> MAYOR HUDSON: DID YOU HEAR

THAT, MR. MIMS. >>NICK MIMMS: YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I AGREE. THAT IS COMMITMENT.

A COMMITMENT TO OURSELVES AND OUR STAFF MEMBERS.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD WHEN I SLID MY MIC BACK BECAUSE HE ASKED MY QUESTION.

I WAS LOOKING INTO THE COST OF -- OF ADDING THAT SECOND TRAM OR ADDITIONAL TRAMS BECAUSE IT ALSO CREATES -- IT ALSO CREATES SOME MORE EMPLOYMENT FOR SOMEBODY DOWN HERE TO DO IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: PROVIDES A SERVICE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: PROVIDES A SERVICE.

AND ESPECIALLY IF WE CAN GET ONE -- PUT ON THE APP.

IT GOES TO THAT PARKING GARAGE. IT GOES TO THE PARKING GARAGE.

I WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THAT COST IS.

AND I PULL MY MIC UP WHEN YOU SAID WE WERE FULL AND YOU LOOKED DOWN AND SAID ADDITIONAL TRAM AND I SLID MY MIC BACK UP.

I JUST WANTED -- AN OPPORTUNITY THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW. SOMETHING WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE AND EVEN TRY TO GET PEOPLE TO THIS PARKING

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: ALSO, MR. L RAILS, CROSS U.S. 1.

>> IT TRAVERSE BUS CANNOT -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: CAN IT OR DOES

IT? >> IT HAVEN'T BEEN LATELY.

THE DEMAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF U.S. 1.

BUT SHOULD WE HAVE -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: IN THE FUTURE

WE MIGHT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, JUST FOR AN IDEA. TODAY WITH INFLATION AND EVERYTHING WHERE IT IS, THAT WILL COST US IN THE NEIGHBOR OF $30,000 TO $35,000 TO REPLICATE. ONE OF THE LARGEST UNITS THAT THEY HAVE. ONE OTHER OPTION, A CITY HAS A TRAIL THEIR PULLS BEHIND THAT. I AM NOT CRAZY ABOUT THAT IDEA AND POSES SOME MORE CHALLENGES TRYING TO NAVIGATE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SEATS CONTINUE TO?

>> ABSOLUTELY. AS TIGHT AS WE ARE DOWNTOWN AND TRAFFIC ON THE WEEKENDS, I WILL NOT RECOMMEND IT.

THE SECOND TRAM IS THE WAY TO GO.

>> THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I E HAVE, COMMISSIONER.

YOU WERE PRIVY TO THIS. WOW, I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE.

FREEBIE WAS IS SERVICE WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE FPRA WHICH IS ON-DEMAND TRAM SERVICE IN THE CRA DISTRICT.

THAT MEANS ALL ASPECTS OF THE CITY.

SUPPLEMENT A VENDOR WHERE THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF THE OPERATIONS AND PROVIDING A SERVICE AS A FPRA IN ADDITION TO OUR TRAM SERVICE, WE HAVE THE ENTIRE FPRA COVERED.

FROM 33RD DOWN TO DOWNTOWN AND YOU NAME IT.

YOU NAME IT ALMOST DOWN TO ALMOST JUANITA AVENUE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THEN, BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING CAN'T PUT STOP TIMES -- STOP TIMES ON A TRAM BECAUSE WE ARE SO BUSY AND HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY DO SO. I THINK WE NEED TO -- YOU KEEP HARPING ON THE APP. I UNDERSTAND THE APP, AND THE APP IS GOING TO BE USELESS IF NO STOP SIGNS THAT WILL BE AT THE TRAN TRAM STATION AT 11:15. AND YOU GO STAND AT THE FAMILIAR AT 11:15 AND WE CAN'T GET THERE -- THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE APP TO SAY LET ME FINISH THIS MEAL AND DO WHATEVER BECAUSE I WANT TO BE BACK AND CATCH THE NEXT SHUTTLE AT 11:15 OR 10:45.

WHATEVER IT IS. IF YOU LOOK ON THE APP, IF IT IS NOT THERE, IT SHOULD BE THERE. THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET FREEBIES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OF SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO IF WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT IT FOR THE WEEKEND.

THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAYS TO SEE, YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AND.

GO FROM THERE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THE TECHNOLOGY IS ONLY GOOD FOR THE TECHNOLOGY IN AND OUT.

IF WE DO THE SCHEDULE WHICH WE HEARD THE COMPLICATIONS WITH IS ONE THING. IF YOU PUT IN AND SAY I NEED A PICKUP AT ORANGE AVENUE AND SECOND STREET.

AND THE APP RESPONDS TO YOU JUST LIKE IT DOES WITH LYFT AND UBER THAT SAYS I WILL BE THERE AT 12:15 WHICH IS 25 MINUTES FROM NOW YOU ACCOMPLISHED THE SAME MISSION.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I LOVE THAT.

IF WE HAVE THE CAPABILITY, LET'S DO THAT.

BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS, ONE, AGAIN, MAXIMIZE THE USE OF THIS PARKING GARAGE THINK THAT KEEP HEARING THAT WE ARE STILL PAYING ON IT AND UTILIZE AND WHATEVER THIS COMPANY IS, PROVIDING A SERVICE FOR THAT COMPANY, BUT ALSO PROVIDING A -- A REALTIME APP-FRIENDLY FOR OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE DOWN THERE WHO ARE PATRONIZE OUR BUSINESSES. THE TROLLEY CAN'T DO IT.

BUT IF I USE THIS APP AND I KNOW I HAVE GOT TO BE THERE IN 20 MINUTES, HERE WE ARE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW IF A TROLLEY PULLS UP AND SOMEBODY ELSE USES AN APP WHEN TROLLEY PULLS UP.

OTHERS SAY CAN YOU STOP ME HERE AND THERE.

AND IT GOES TO HELP WHAT MADAM MARE SAID -- IT TAKES AWAY THE SAFETY ISSUE OF PEOPLE TRYING -- AFRAID TO TAKE OFF THE RAILROAD TRACKS TO PARKING. I AM TRYING UTILIZE THE PARKING.

SAW SOME OF THE PROBLEM AND IF WE HAVE -- I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT BUT GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.

WE HAVE THAT CAPABILITY, WE NEED TO GET IT TO THE RESIDENTS SO THEY CAN USE IT. MORE PEOPLE WHO ARE STARTING TO UNDERSTAND APPS AND USE APPS THEN WE GIVE CREDIT TO.

I HAVE TWO ELDERLY PARENT AND I AM TEACHING THEM ABOUT APPS.

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AND SAY HOW TO YOUR OUR APPS. >> OR DO THE YOUTUBE.

BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO ACCESS THE YOUTUBE.

MR. MIMS. >>NICK MIMMS: EMPLOYING PEOPLE AND I HEARD COMMISSIONER JOHNSON TALKING ABOUT --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DOWN THE ROAD. >>.

>>NICK MIMMS: LET ME TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE WITH FREEBIE.

HAD NETWORKS AND THEY GAVE US A PRICE.

THE PRICE WAS MORE THAN WE ANTICIPATED PAYING.

WE PARTNERED WITH ST. LUCIE FORT PIERCE COUNTY FOR A GRANT FOR FEDERAL FUNDING TO OFFSET THE ADDITIONAL COSTS.

IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $300,000 AND THEY WOULD HAVE TWO OR THREE VEHICLES CIRCUMSTANCE LITTLE LATEING FOR THE ENTIRE FP RA.

A MUCH COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM BY INDIVIDUALS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH APP AS THAT HAVE ADDITIONAL DRIVERS AND ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND WHAT I AM TRYING TO DAY, IF WE HAVE FREEBIE, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE MIKE OUT THERE DRIVING THE TRAM.

IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. MIKE HAS A TWO-BLACK RADIUS.

FREEBIE HAS A FPRA BOUNDARY. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

IF YOU ARE SERIOUS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH FREEBIE.

WE CAN FREE UP SOME FUNDS AND WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ARE WE SERIOUS ABOUT FREEBIE?

>> LET'S HEAR ABOUT -- BEFORE WE FREE OUT FUNDS AND WE WANT TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ARE WE GOOD. >> REAL QUICK.

WE HAVE A LOCAL VENDOR THAT IS TRYING TO OPERATE DOWNTOWN CALLED THE TROLLEY DOLLY I THINK IT IS.

THEY HAVE BEEN IN THROUGH BTR AND HAVE A GOLF CART THEY INTEND TO USE DOWNTOWN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS

OPERATIONAL. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE WANT THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO STEP UP. ARE WE DONE WITH THIS TOPIC?

[d. Cares Act Funds Update]

[LAUGHTER] >> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS

CARES ACT FUND UPDATE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMS.

>>NICK MIMMS: THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE WHO HAS DONE -- WE WANT HER TO COME UP RIGHT NOW AND THINK HAS DONE SOME INVESTIGATION INTO THE UTILIZATION OF OUR CORONAVIRUS -- OUR CORONAVIRUS -- I FORGET THE ACRONYM.

CARES ACT FUNDS. I FORGOT THE ACRONYM.

WE RECEIVED $700,000 FOR CARES ACT FUNDS FOR CORONAVIRUS MITIGATION AND RESPONSE TYPE ACTIVITIES.

SO WHAT WE HAVE IN YOUR BACK-UP DOCUMENTATION IS JUST A SIMPLE SPREADSHEET SHOWING THE RECEIVERS, THE EXPENDITURES AND THE BALANCE REMAINING. AND THIS TOPIC, THIS DISCUSSION WAS INITIATED BY A REQUEST FROM A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, THE FREE CHARITABLE MEDICAL -- I R FORGOT.

FREE CHARITABLE CLINIC. OKAY.

I AM -- HANDS CLINIC. AND THEY WERE INTERESTED IN THE AVAILABILITY OF LEFTOVER OR REMAINING CARES ACT FUNDS.

AT THIS POINT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO OUR DIRECTOR OF FORT

PIERCE FINANCE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MISS MORRIS.

>> GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. I DID PROVIDE A BRIEF SP SPREADSHEET GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF OUR RECEIPT OR OUR AWARD OF FUNDS AND HOW THOSE FUNDS HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED UP TO DATE.

WE RECEIVED $728,000. OF THAT, WE SPENT $323,000 IN 2020, IN 2021, 77,000. IF A MR. MIMS DID SEND A REQUEST TO ME FROM THE HANDS CLINIC AND THEY WERE ASKING FOR $150,000 DISTRIBUTION, AND I MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE FUND $100,000. THE RATIONAL OF THOSE FUNDS ONLY 15% OF OUR TOTAL ALLOCATION CAN GO FOR A PSA OR PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCY. SO IF WE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DO WE HAVE LIMITATIONS?

>> COULD ONLY FUND $109,000 FROM THOSE FUNDS.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WHAT IS THE NUMBER AGAIN?

>> $109,000 IS THE MAX THAT WE CAN DO.

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: WASN'T THIS MONEY SUPPOSED TO BE ALL SPENT

COVID-RELATED? >> YES, IT IS VERY RESTRICTED WHAT IT CAN BE USED FOR MARY STEVE MCNAIR TERMS OF MEDICAL, TESTS OR SHOTS OR WHATEVER. OKAY.

WELL, SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE HANDS CLINIC QUALIFIES.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I DON'T HAVE AN OPTION TO IT.

A ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION? >> ONE-TIME REVENUE SOURCE MARY PWHAIRZ IS THE DEADLINE TO SPEND THE CARES ACT MONEY.

>> IT WAS EXTENDED ON THIS ONE. UNTIL UNTIL 2025 TO EXPEND THESE FUNDS. I HAVE WITH A REMAINING PORTION THAT STAFF IS RIGHT NOW WORKING ON A PLAN TO DISTRIBUTE THOSE BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS AS TO WHAT WE COULD.

GAINESVILLE GHAINZ IS THE QUESTION I HAD.

>> VERY RESTRICTED AND WE ARE MOVING AWAY FROM TESTING.

WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE WITH PROJECTS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ELIGIBLE AND DO IT BY THE DEADLINE.

YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS $100,000? >> $100,000.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: QUICK QUESTION, IF YOU I MAY,

MADAM MAYOR? >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: BASED ON THE NARROW SCOPE OF WHAT WE CAN, AND WE LOOK AT PROJECTS FOR THE REMAINING -- LET'S SAY $200,000 IS LEFT. COULD -- COULD THIS ENTITY OR OTHERS LIKE IT COME IN AND QUALIFY FOR IT? OR DOES THIS EXCLUDE THEM BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS GIFT FOR US ONE TIME, ETC. .

>> RIGHT. IT WOULD EXCLUDE ANY OTHER PUBLIC SERVICE AGENCY BECAUSE WE ARE GIVING THE TOTAL $15,000 ALLOTMENT OTHER THAN THE REMAINING $9,000 THAT WOULD BE REMAINING. IT WOULD EXCLUDE THEM AS WELL AS ANY OTHER FALLING UNDER THAT CATEGORY OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BECAUSE IT FALLS UNDER THAT CATEGORY, SOMEBODY ELSE IN THE SAME BUSINESS COULD NOT QUALIFY.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I THINK

THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: BUT WITH THE HELP OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND WILL DO WITH THIS REMAINING, YOU WILL GIVE US SOME TYPE OF IDEA OF TYPES OF THINGS WE CAN PUT OUT THERE SO THAT THE PUBLIC -- SO THE PUBLIC THAT IS LISTENING MAY HAVE SOME SERVICE THEY MAY HELP GOING DOWN WITH T IT. I JUST NEED TO BE REAL CLEAR ON

THIS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE WANT TO USE IT ALL AND USE IT ALL APPROPRIATELY FOLLOWING THE RULES. COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WILL THERE BE TOUGHER REQUIRED REPORTING FROM HANDS TO STAY WITHIN THE RESTRICTIONS?

>> THERE ARE REPORTING GUIDELINES IN OUR GRANTS.

DIVISION WILL PROVIDE THAT WITH THE ALLOCATION.

YOU KNOW, THAT THEY SIGN KNOWING THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS HAVE AND

COME BACK. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

J. JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I LIKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.

DID WE PARTNER WITH HANDS. >> WE DID NOT PARTNER WITH HANDS AND HAD OUR OWN TESTING. WE HAD A VENDOR AND HAD THE SITES AT THE ELLIS PARK AND SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS AND FUNDED THAT OURSELVES WITH THE $90,000 OR $30,000.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: IS THERE IS A CAP IN THE

TESTING. >> THERE IS A CAP.

WHAT THEY ARE UTILIZED FOR, I DON'T KNOW IT OFF HAND.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THE REASON I BRING THAT UP.

THEY PARTNERED WITH THE COUNTY AND DID TESTING INCLUDING VACCINATIONS AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A WELL LAID OUT AND VERY GOOD PARKING LOT AND VERY GOOD ACCESS AND EVEN COMMUNITY TRANSIT CAME. A LOT OF ELEMENTS THAT BROUGHT A LOT OF FOLKS TO THAT LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE FAIRGROUNDS -- THE FAIR GROUNDS TO OUR WEST. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MINDS TOO THAT THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY WITH HANDS BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION IN THE OLD SAM'S

CLUB. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I ACTUALLY WAS TESTED THERE AT ONE POINT AND IT WAS VERY WELL ORGANIZED.

YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WANT TO BE CLEAR AGAIN, MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS TALKED ABOUT TESTING.

SO THERE ARE STILL RIGHT NOW CATCHING COVID.

COMING DOWN WITH COACHED INSTEAD OF BEING TESTED.

WE USED HANDS. IF THIS OUTPATIENT GOES THROUGH AND WE USED OTHER TESTING COMPANIES TO DO TESTING FOR COVID, RIGHT. SO MY UNDERSTANDING NOW THAT ALL OF THE MONEY THAT WE CAN GIVE IS NOW PRETTY MUCH BEEN EXHAUSTED

FOR THAT TYPE OF SERVICE? >> NOT FOR TESTING.

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AREAS OPPOSED TO ONLY TESTING. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: GOT IT. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: TO FOLLOW UP ON YOU, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. IF WE APPROVE THIS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STILL GETTING COVID OR GETTING SICK.

AND THIS MONEY WILL ALLOW -- MY UNDERSTANDING TO ALLOW HANDS CLINIC TO SEE AND TREAT THESE PEOPLE UNDER ANY OTHER FICTIONS OR SERVICES THAT THEY USE WILL HELP THEM TREAT THE RESIDENTS OF FORT PIERCE TO TRAVEL THERE TO GET SERVICES.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IF THEY ARE

ELIGIBLE. >> WE DO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR TESTING. IF THERE IS A MAJOR UPTICK AND HAVE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT AS WELL. JUST TO BE FAIR WE DIDN'T WANT TO ALLOCATE OVER AND ABOVE FOR AGENCIES THAT HAVE SOME NEED AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS HOUSING AND FOOD DISTRIBUTIONS AND OTHER NEEDS AS WELL. SO WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME OF THE SERVICES TO THOSE CITIZENS AS WELL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SOUNDS TO ME WE HAVE A CONSENSUS UNLESS

ANYBODY OBJECTS. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I NEED TO TALK TO MY ATTORNEY AND ASK FOR CONSENT.

WILL THIS COME BEFORE A FORMAL BOARD FOR US TO VOTE ON?

IF THIS GOES THROUGH? >>NICK MIMMS: COMMISSIONER, I KNOW YOU ASKED THE ATTORNEY, BUT DEFINITELY.

IF WE HAVE CARES ACT FUND AN EXTERNAL AGENCY AND WE WILL HAVE A GRANT AGREEMENT WITH REQUIREMENTS AND ALSO REPORTING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MANDATED BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, ESPECIALLY TO MEET STATE AND FEDERAL GUIDELINES, BUT I WILL ALLOW THE CITY ATTORNEY TO CHIME IN.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MISS EARLEY. >> TANYA EARLEY: MR. MIMS, YOU SAID IT BETTER THAN I COULD. IF IT COMES BEFORE YOU IT WILL BE ON AN AGENDA. IT WILL COME BACK.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YOU AND I WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION -- FOR THE COMMISSION, I SIT ON THE HANDS BOARD.

FULL DISCLOSURE I WOULD RECUSE MYSELF TO AVOID ANY PERCEPTION

OF CONFLICT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW. YOU ARE GOOD.

[e. Discussion on the current policies for liens and consideration of amending / updating the policy to allow for alternate solutions for reductions and establishing a cap on the accrual of fines.]

ARE YOU CLEAR, MR. MIM S. >>NICK MIMMS: YES, MA'AM.

>> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION ON THE CURRENT POLICIES FOR LIENS AND CONSIDERATION OF AMENDING AND UPDATING THE POLICY TO ALLOW FOR ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS FOR REDUCTIONS AND ESTABLISHING A CAP ON THE ACCRUAL OF FINES.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMS. >>NICK MIMMS: WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT LIEN REDUCTION AND CODE ENFORCEMENT POLICY FOR COUPLE OF MONTHS AND OUR DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY RESPONSE COMES TO US WITH A FRESH NEW IDEA AND IN ADDITION WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL MAGISTRATE PRESENT TO COME TO LEND ANY EXPERTISE THAT SHE MAY HAVE IN THIS AREA AS WELL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHERE WILL. >> GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. I PROMISE IN ADVANCE, THE LONGEST PRESENTATION. AND A LOT OF DETAILS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BETWEEN US AND LNCH.

>> I WILL NOT HOLD UP LUNCH. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM KIDDING.

>> REGARDING THE MANAGEMENT OF LIENS.

OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS ARE -- ARE AN ISSUE UNDER STATE STATUTE 162.09. SO THAT GIVES US A FINING AUTHORITY, UP TO $250 A DAY. THIS IS WHERE THE LIENS GOT SO LARGE, CODE BOARD A $250 PER FINE PER VIOLATION.

IF THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF FIVE ITEMS. $250 PER DAY PER VIOLATION. AND THIS WILL HELPED INCREASE THE LIENS WE HAVE TODAY. IT ALLOWS A ONE-TIME LARGE $5,000 FOR SOMETHING IRREPAIRABLE OR IRREVERSIBLE CHOPPING DOWN A TREE OR THROWING THINGS DOWN A SEWER DRAIN WHICH IS HE RECENTLY HAD. ALSO A LIEN THAT APPLIES TO THE PUBLIC RECORD. NOT JUST A LAND IT IS ON OR ANY PROPERTY OWNED BY A VIOLATOR. A SPREADING LIEN.

IF YOU OWN SIX PROPERTIES IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND A LIEN IN THE CITY, THE LIEN APPLIES TO ALL SIX PROPERTIES.

YOU CAN'T TRANSFER TO ANY FIVE PROPERTIES WITHOUT ADDRESSING OUR LIEN BECAUSE IT ATTACHES TO EVERYTHING YOU OWN, OKAY.

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TWO DIFFERENT TYPES WE TALK ABOUT.

SECTION 3 SAYS A FINE IMPOSED TO PURSUANT TO THIS PART SHALL CONTINUE UNTIL THE VIOLATOR COMES INTO COMPLIANCE.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE TALKED OF CAPPING LIENS IN THE PAST AND THE STATUTES ARE VERY CLEAR.

YOU HAVE CONTINUE TO ACCRUE THE FINES.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEEWAY FOR CAPPING A FINE OR A LIEN.

AND IT ALSO GIVES US THE OPTION TO FORECLOSURE THAT THE CITY HAS JUST INITIATED THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS AND WE ARE DEEP INTO THAT RIGHT NOW. STAFF MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO THE FINE TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CONSIDERS STAFF'S DESIGNATION BUT BY STATE STATUTE, DETERMINE THREE THINGS. GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION, ANY ACTIONS TO TRY TO CONNECT IT, AND THE PRIVATE HISTORY OF THE VIOLATIONS. THE VIOLATION.

IF IT IS THE FIFTH TIME BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, CAN HAVE HIGHER FINES. THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAVE TIME TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION UNTIL THE FINES START, A MASSEY HEARING IS REQUIRED BY LAW AND ONLY THEN IS A LIEN FILED.

I WANT TO EXPLAIN FROM THE COMMISSION THAT WE DON'T GO FROM CITING SOMEONE TO IMPOSING A LIEN.

A LOT OF STEPS BEFORE THAT LIEN IS FILED.

WHAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING OF FORECLOSURE OF FINE OF $50,000.

I CAN'T STOP THE FINE OR CAP THE ACCUMULATION, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE OUR FORECLOSURE PR T PROJECT.

I RECOMMENDED $50,000 AFTER DISCUSSING WITH MR. MIMS. THAT NUMBER IS UP TO THE CITY COMMISSION IF YOU LIKE THIS POLICY. TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA FOR A $50 FINE, WOULD YOU REACH $50,000 IN APPROXIMATELY THREE YEARS.

FOR THE HIGHEST FINE ON OUR LIST WHICH IS $250, IT TAKES ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS. SO THAT IS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF HOW LONG THE FINE WOULD ACCUMULATE BEFORE WE INITIATE FORECLOSURE PROCESS. CAP IS PROHIBITED BY STATUTE.

WE CAN'T DO THAT. IF YOU ARE A HOMEOWNER AND H HOMESTEADIED. I CAN'T FORECLOSURE ON YOU AND THAT FINE WILL ACCUMULATE AND WILL RUN FOR 20 YEARS.

FOR DEMOLITION, WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO SET FORECLOSURE AFTER THREE YEARS. WE ARE PUTTING IT IN LINE WITH THE LONGEST PART OF THE CODE LIEN.

50 YEARS FOR THE 50 FINE. THREE YEARS FOR DEMOLITION AND MAKING THAT RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP IT CONSISTENT.

NUISANCE ABATEMENT LIENS. CHECK IT EVERY YEAR AND WHEN THE TOTAL DUE IS $5000, THE FORECAST ACTION WILL BE TAKEN.

A LOT CLEARING CAN RUN FROM $100 TO $1,000,000 DEPEND AGO.

WE CAN REACH $50,000 WILL NEVER HAPPEN YOU BUT AS WELL TO SITE A LOT. $5,000 FOR LOT CLEARINGS, REPETITIVE LOT CLEARINGS TO INITIATE THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS

AT THAT TIME. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

MAYOR? >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE EVALUATED ALL THESE NUMBERS. $50,000 -- $50 SEEMS HIGH TO E ME. DID YOU LOOK AT OTHER NUMBERS?

>> I LOOKED HIGHER. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

YOU LOOKED THE OTHER WAY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: 50 FEELS HIGH

TO ME, I DON'T KNOW WHY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: 50 SEEMS HIGH OF THE CONDITIONS YOU TALKED ABOUT ON THE SCREEN HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET THERE.

OKAY. I GUESS I AM LOOKING AT TWO THINGS. I AM LOOKING AT THE PHYSICAL FINANCIAL DOLLAR AND I AM ALSO LOOKING AT TIME.

TIME IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN MONEY.

BECAUSE LOOKING AT PRODUCING MOVEMENT ON EACH ONE OF THESE VIOLATIONS, NOT JUST A PHYSICAL NUMBER FOR FINANCIAL REASONS.

NOT A FINANCIAL NUMBER. SO WE LOOK AT A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, DO WE LOOK AT RECOMMENDATION AND NO MATTER WHAT THE FINE IS, TAKE US TO THAT NUMBER TO GET THERE EVENTUALLY WHATEVER THE $50,000. WOULD IT BE BETTER OR MORE PRUDENT TO LOOK AT A MONTH TIME TABLE FOR A ONE-YEAR TIME TABLE? WHAT DOES THAT DO FOR YOUR OUTLOOK?

>> ANOTHER OPTION. THE STATE ALLOWS US TO INITIATE FORECLOSURE AFTER THREE MONTHS. FOLLOW A STATE STATUTE AND SIX MONTHS ONE YEAR REGARDLESS OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

WE OBVIOUSLY WANT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT TO BE WORTH THE LEGAL

TIME. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

CORRECT. >> SO WE WANT THAT BALANCE INJURIES SDWLAERZ IS A CHALLENGE TOO.

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-- >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT IS A CHALLENGE TOO. MAYBE A HYBRID AMOUNT.

I AM STUCK ON TIME BECAUSE TIME IS THE MOST SENSITIVE SUBJECT IN THESE CLAIMS PERCENT, GOING ON SINCE 2009 AND 2015.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHY DIDN'T WE GET THEIR ATTENTION EARLIER.

THE FORECLOSURE IS TOTE GO THEIR ATTENTION.

>> YES, MA'AM, TO GET THEIR ATTENTION OR PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF SOMEONE WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.

BECAUSE THE END ACTION OF A FORECLOSURE IS A FORECLOSURE SALE. AND THEN THE PROPERTY.

AND UP TO THAT POINT YOU HAVE BEEN FINING AND GETTING, WHAT, MONTHLY -- HOW MANY NOTICES DO THEY GET?

HOW MUCH ARE THEY. >> THE CURRENT POLICY ONCE THE LIEN GETS FILED. PUT IN A FILE DRAWER -- IF THE FINE IS NOT PAID, IT SITS FOR 20 YEARS.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, THAT IS HOW WE GOT TO THIS, TO THAT POINT. WE ARE ASPIRING TO GET A SYSTEM TO HAVE A FLAG THAT WILL WARN US SO OFTEN, BUT RIGHT NOW A PRETTY MANUAL PROCESS AND WE DON'T KNOW UNTIL SOMETHING TRIGGER IT IS AT THAT POINT. EVEN IF WE PUT A NUMBER ON IT, IT COULD BE $20,000. BUT STILL A MANUAL PROCESS RIGHT NOW AS WE SEE IT. , BUT THE ONLY THING THE STATE STATUTE IF I JUST HEARD THIS CORRECT, THAT TRIGGERED WITHIN THREE -- THREE MONTHS. A SHORT STACK OF FILE.

THIS SITS OVER THREE MONTHS AND WE GO HERE AS OPPOSED TO SITTING IN A CABINET FOR. THAT IS A FINAL.

A FORECLOSURE. THAT IS TOUGH.

THAT IS DRASTIC. THAT IS DRASTIC AND WHERE I DON'T HAVE THE STOMACH FOR THAT RIGHT NOW AND GOING AND TRYING TO GET TO IT. THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE IN BETWEEN. THREE MONTHS AND TAKING THE INTERPRETATION AND TAKING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY, BUT I THINK THIS IS VERY HELPFUL. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS STATE STATUTE THAT IS THERE NOW. AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE SAYING THAT THAT WE WANT TO GET A T E THREE-MONTH START AND FORECLOSURE ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WE ARE FILING.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE ARE FILING.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THEY MAY WANT TO COME IN

COMPLIANCE RIGHT AWAY. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

BUT CAN YOU FROM A FORECLOSURE? >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

THAT I DON'T KNOW. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WAY ABOVE MY PAY GRADE OVER HERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MISS EARLY, DO YOU HAVE.

>> I ALWAYS WANT TO ADVISE CAUTION WHEN EVALUATING A CASE FOR LITIGATION. BECAUSE A FORECLOSURE CASE IS A SIMILAR ACTION. YOU ARE GOING BEFORE A COURT.

CAN A CASE SETTLE AT ANY POINT? SURE.

CAN IT SETTLE BEFORE YOU -- CAN YOU SEND OUT A NOTICE AND CAN THE CASE FILE BEFORE YOU HAVE A COMPLAINT, ABSOLUTELY.

I THINK IT IS GOOD TO KEEP IN MIND THIS IS -- THIS IS GOING TO BE A GENERAL GUIDELINE I THINK. AND WE WILL HAVE TO DO CASE BY CASE ANALYSIS OF HOW WE PROCEED WITH EACH PROPERTY.

BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT ARE THERE OTHER PARTIES MAY HAVE TITLE TO THIS PROPERTY, ARE THERE MORTGAGES AND LOOK AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT EACH INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY MAKES SENSE

TO ACTUALLY GO TO SUIT. >> I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT, THE LIST WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING N ON, THERE IS PROBABLY FOUR CURRENT CASES WHERE THE ATTORNEY HAS NOTIFIED ME THEY ARE TRYING TO WORK THINGS OUT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.

THEY ARE TRYING TO COME TO A RESOLUTION DURING THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS. IT HAS BEEN FILED.

THEY ARE TRYING TO WORK THINGS OFF.

NOT MOVING FORWARD WHILE -- SO, YES, THAT DOES HAPPEN.

AND WHAT MISS EARLEY SAID, I HAVE A LARGE FIVE-PAGE LIST OF PROPERTIES WITH EXCESSIVE LIENS THAT I AM WORKING ON NOW AND OTHER RESEARCH FIRST. IS THERE A BUILDING PERMIT.

IT HOMESTEADED. IS IT ELIGIBLE.

I AM DOING THAT BACKGROUND WORK BEFORE WE SENDS IT TO THE ATTORNEY. A VERY, VERY SIMPLE STEP.

WE SEND NOTICES THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS.

YOU HAVE MAXED OUT ON YOUR GRACE TIME.

I AM PREPARING THIS CASE FOR FORECLOSURE.

IF YOU DON'T WANT ME TO DO THAT, YOU NEED TO CALL ME.

WE CAN SEND THAT NOTICE VERY EASILY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A WARNING. >> I AM SETTING US UP FOR -- JUST FOR THE ATTORNEY TO FORECLOSURE.

YOU NEED TO CONTACT ME. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I LIKE THAT METHOD AND I LIKE IT FOR MANY, MANY REASONS.

IT PUTS FOLKS ON NOTICE WITHOUT THE WHOLE PROCESS GOING TO THE

FILING. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WITHOUT DROPPING THE HAMMER. MR. GAINES.

COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: OH, YEAH. OKAY.

TELL YOU ALL MY YOU ARE OVER THERE LAUGHING.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW I -- THIS NOTICE THAT WE ARE SENDING OUT, OKAY. AND LISTEN TOING TO MY

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I HEAR COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON SAYING WE BETWEEN GET THEIR ATTENTION. AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

I KNOW THREE YEARS, WAITING THREE YEARS SUBJECT SIT WELL WITH ME. I AM RIDING AROUND THIS PROPERTY FOR THREE YEARS AND NOT SEEING WHAT WE WANT TO SEE.

SO MY QUESTION IS THIS. THE IDEAS THAT YOU SEND OUT.

IS IT CERTIFIED, MAILED? WHAT THE NOTICE WE SEND OUT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WELL, WE DON'T DO IT.

>> WELL, WE DON'T DO IT YET AND WE HAVE TO CREATE THIS PROGRAM.

I WILL FALL IN LINE WITH WHAT WE DO WITH THE DEMOLITION WHICH IS

BOTH. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE PROPOSING -- YOU CAME UP WITH THAT, I THINK.

SHE DOESN'T DO THAT NOW. >> A CHANGE TO OUR CURRENT POLICY, BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING IT BOTH.

CERTIFIED AND REGULAR AS A PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY AND NOT SITTING UP HERE, YOU WANT TO GET SOMEBODY'S ATTENTION THAT WE ARE SERIOUS. I WOULD SAY IF YOU HAVE THAT OWNER SERVED WITH YOUR NOTICE THAT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ABOUT TO DO, NINE OUT OF TEN TIMES, YOU ARE GOING TO GET A RESPONSE IMMEDIATELY WHEN SOMEONE KNOCKS ON YOUR DOOR WITH THE SERVICE AND SAYS THAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS SERIOUS ABOUT WH R WHATEVER. I SEND CERTIFIED LETTERS EVERY DAY. AND HALF OF THEM COME BACK BECAUSE IF THEY ARE NOT HOME AND THEY LEAVE THAT NOTE THAT SAID CERTIFIED, NINE OUT OF TEN TIMES THEY KNOW IT IS A LAWYER SENDING IT OR A BILL COLLECTOR SENDING IT SO THEY DON'T GO -- I AM BEING HONEST. THEY DON'T PICK THEM UP AND THEY COME BACK. SO THAT IS WASTED MONEY GOING OUT THE DOOR. IF YOU SEND A REGULAR LETTER, YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR, I NEVER GOT THE LETTER.

RIGHT. HOWEVER, IF WE MAKE A DECISION AND WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. AND OFF SERVICE -- SOMEBODY GETS SERVED. NOW YOU KNOW THAT THEY KNOW.

AND HOW MANY DAYS WE DECIDE WE WANT TO GIVE THEM, GIVE THEM, BECAUSE LEGAL CASES YOU GET 20 DAYS.

WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND GIVE THEM 30 DAYS, THAT'S UP FOR US TO CONTACT YOUR OFFICE AND TRY TO WORK SOMETHING OUT.

I THINK THAT WILL GET EVERYONE'S ATTENTION WE ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR ATTENTION TO. AND PREVENT US MAYBE HALF OF THE TIME OR 70% OF THE TIME FROM HAVING TO EVEN FILE A LAWSUIT.

AND I KNOW MOST SERVICES ARE $35 TO $50 COMPARED TO A LAWSUIT ARE RIGHT SIDE 410, $565. WHEREVER GO.

SOMETHING -- LOOKING INTO YOUR IDEA.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF THREE YEARS. THE THREE YEARS, I DON'T LIKE.

I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. THE THREE MONTHS, TAKING SOMEBODY'S HOUSE. I -- I AM -- THAT IS HARD PILL FOR ME TO SWALLOW, BUT FOR -- LOOKING INTO A PROCESS SERVER TO GET THESE NOTICES OUT WILL ACCOMPLICE EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE WANTING TO SEE BECAUSE IT IS A HARSH REALITY.

YOU HAVE TO SERVE THEM ANYWAY IF YOU HAVE TO FILE A LAWSUIT.

YOU HAVE TO SERVE THEM ANYWAY. AND IF WE ARE REALLY NOT TRYING TO TAKE SOMEONE'S HOUSE BUT TRYING FOR THEM TO FIX AND TAKE CARE OF THESE LIENS, I THINK THAT IS A BETTER WAY TO GET THEIR ATTENTION. THIS IS AFTER DUE DILIGENCE AND ALL OF THAT. ONCE THOSE -- WHATEVER TIME FRAME YOU ARE UP, THEN THAT SHOWS EVERYBODY SITTING UP HERE THAT THEY DON'T CARE. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO HELP AND WE CAN TURN IT OVER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WE GO FROM THERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT HE IS SAYING IS, IS IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE PUNISHING, BUT WHAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO TO KEEP THEM FROM HAVING THIS HUGE, HUGE N LIEN.

KIND OF HELPING THEM DEAL WITH -- WITH WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.

AND HE IS RIGHT, I THINK. IF THEY -- IF THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY, THEY WILL TRY DEAL WITH IT.

IF THEY DON'T, BECAUSE -- WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN FORECLOSING.

I MEAN WE REALLY -- THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO.

WE WANT COMPLIANCE. >> CORRECT.

AS A REMINDER, THESE ARE NONHOMESTEADED PROPERTIES.

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ONCE I STARTED BRINGING THINGS IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND MY COMPLIANCE NUMBERS WENT THROUGH THE ROOF.

AS THIS PROCESS STARTS, WORD IS GOING TO SPREAD QUICKLY AND WITH LUCK, WE WILL SEE OUR COMPLIANCE NUMBERS INCREASE GREATLY WHICH

IS THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE GOING TO GO BACK TO YOUR PRESENTATION AND COME BACK WITH THE TIMING THING.

>> WE WILL DO THE SUMMARY AND GET ALL THE THINGS AT THE END.

THE NEXT -- THAT IS THE MANAGEMENT OF THE LIEN UP TO AND IMPOSING A LIEN AND WHAT WE WILL DO WITH IT NEED SOMETHING FOR REDUCTION. TWO TYPES OF LIENS.

CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN THAT GOES IN FRONT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, A DAILY FINE AND ACCUMULATES UNTIL IT COMES INTO COMPLIANCE IT DOES EXPIRE AFTER 20 YEARS AND DOES NOT ACCRUE INTEREST OR PENALTIES. JUST A DAILY FINE.

NUISANCE ABATEMENT LIENS, LOT CLEARING, DEMOLITION, SECURING POOLS. LIENS ARE BY THE CHARTERS AND ORDINANCES. HOW WE ADDRESS ABUSEMENT LIENS IS 100% OUT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

THEY ARE CONSIDERED A TAX LIEN AND THEY DO ACCRUE INTEREST IN PENALTIES. THE ORDINANCE ORDINANCE THAT IMPOSES THESE. IN JUNE, THE CITY COMMISSION ADAPTED A FAST TRACK PROGRAM. SO MANY LIEN AND TRYING TO ADJUST THEM AND THIS IS STEP ONE THAT THE COMMISSION CHOSE.

GIVES STAFF THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO RELEASES OF LIENS WITHOUT ANY HEARINGS. FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.

IF YOU PAY 5,000. AND RELEASE OF PAYMENT.

AND GOES TWO WEEKS GET TO THE SYSTEM.

IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO SELL A PROPERTY AND GET IT DONE QUICK, YOU HAVE THAT OPTION. A SECOND STEP THAT REQUIRES A HEARING IN FRONT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND GIVE THE MAGISTRATE TO DO A RELEASE FOR RESIDENTIAL, $75,000 FOR COMMERCIAL AND THIS PARTICULAR TIME TAKES FOUR TO SIX WEEKS THROUGH THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE THROUGH PAYMENT AND WHATNOT, TAKES FOUR TO SIX WEEKS. ANYTHING LESS THAN THOSE AMOUNTS REQUIRE TWO HEARINGS AND MORE TIME.

HAVE TO BE HEARD BY THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

THE CITY COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE IT AND TAKES TWO TO THREE MONTHS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THE THINKING OF THIS TIME LIMIT WHICH IS TRUE, HOW FAST DO WE NEED IT DONE. AND THIS IS THE EXISTING POLICY IN THE ESTABLISHED RULES OF PROCEDURES ADOPTED BY THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. SO THIS RULE EXISTS RIGHT NOW.

SO PART OF THAT FAST TRACK POLICY ALLOWED STAFF TO WAVES THE ADMINISTRATION CHARGES ONLY ON NUISANCE ABATEMENT LIENS.

I CAN WAIVE IT ONLY. EVERYTHING ELSE BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THE POLICY IS IN PLACE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND HAS NOT BEEN CHANGED OTHER THAN THAT ONE CHANGE FOR STAFF. AND THE COMMISSION HAS CONSISTENTLY WAIVED EITHER ALL OR A PORTION OF THOSE SOFT COSTS. DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS DID DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THE SOFT COSTS HAVE TRADITIONALLY BEEN THE PART THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ADDRESSED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE SOFT COSTS ARE THE BUSINESS AND

ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. >> KIND OF, SORT OF.

TO TALK ABOUT THAT. NUISANCE ABATEMENT COSTS.

THE ACTUAL CHARGE BY THE VENDOR TO DO THE JOB.

THAT IS UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED AS A HARD COST.

AND HAS BEEN -- EVERY COMMISSION I SIT IN FRONT OF, THEY DON'T ADDRESS HARD COST. THREE TIMES IN MY 16 YEARS THAT I HAVE SEEN A HARD COST REALLY BEEN ADDRESSED.

INTEREST IN PENALTIES, AGAIN, UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED AS A SOFT COST. ADMINISTRATION FEES HAVE BEEN A

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IS IT A HARD COST OR SOFT COST? I AM VERY HAPPY TO ASK THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT A ANSWER TO THAT TOO.

AND I WANT THE:COMMISSION TO WEIGH THAT.

THE FEES INCURRED TO PROCESS THE CASE WHICH IS WHY IT WAS IMPOSED IN THE FIRST PLACE. I SAT IN FRONT OF COMMISSIONS WHO DID NOT WAIVE IT AND INSISTED ON THE AD MIN PRICE TO BE CHARGED AND THOSE WHO DON'T WANT ANYTHING.

AND TO COVER THE RECORDING FEES. THIS COMMISSION IS LOOKING AT PART OF THE ADMIN, AND PART OF THE SOFT COST TO WAIV.

SO THAT IS THE KIND OF BACKGROUND AND BASEMENT OF ADMINISTRATION COSTS. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE

COMMISSION'S -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: $100.

>> $100. >> MAYOR HUDSON: UNIVERSAL.

>> ALL ABATEMENT AND NUISANCE ABATEMENT $100 SET BY THE CITY

COMMISSION. >> MAYOR HUDSON: A

JUSTIFICATION FOR THE SNAMENT. >> NOT NECESSARILY, NO.

IT HAS BEEN $100 FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

IT HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE I HAVE STARTED.

SO I CAN TELL YOU FOR 16 YEARS, BEEN $100.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: OKAY.

SINCE -- >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: THE ADMINISTRATION COST AND YOU SAID "TO BE DETERMINED." YOU JUST SAID $100 FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

THIS -- THIS COST THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT OUR EMPLOYEES. SOMETHING HAS TO GENERATE TO DO -- SOMETHING IN OUR OFFICE HAS TO DO SOME TYPE OF WORK IT

JUSTIFY THIS $100. >> OH, YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: YOU SAID RECORDING.

ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN -- ANYTHING ELSE THAT GOES INTO

THIS $100? >> YES, SIR.

TO START, JUST TO RUN YOU BRIEFLY THROUGH A GENERAL LOT CLEARING CASE WHETHER COMPLAINT OR OFFICER-INITIATED.

INSPECTION, YOU TAKE YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS AND GO TO THE OFFICE AND START YOUR FILE. CERTIFIED REGULAR MAIL.

AND THEN PHYSICAL POSTING WHICH IS ANOTHER CHARGE.

THE COST OF THE POSTING BOARD THAT WE PURCHASE GETS PUT OUT ON THE PROPERTY. MULTIPLE INSPECTIONS AND THEN THE VENDOR GOING OUT. SO YOU DO HAVE YOUR ADMINISTRATION COSTS. THERE IS A MINIMUM OF THREE INSPECTIONS. MINIMUM THREE TIMES WITH AN OFFICER GOING OUT THERE IF NOT MORE.

THERE IS ADMIN COSTS, MAILING COSTS, POSTING COSTS, MY REVIEW COSTS. THERE ARE MULTIPLE STEPS

INVOLVED. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT SO THE PUBLIC CAN LISTEN.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR, JUST NOT SOMETHING SITTING THERE ADDING ON A FINE FOR INTEREST, BUT IT IS CITY WORKERS REVIEWING DOCUMENTS, GOING OUT, TAKING PICTURES.

GOING OUT, PURCHASING AND -- AND PUTTING UP THE RED AND WHITE SIGNS I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AND PLACING THEM ON THE PROPERTY AND DRIVING AT LEAST TWO TO THREE MORE TIMES TO GO

OUT TO SEE IF SOMETHING IS DONE. >> YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: FOR ALL OF THAT THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED THE SIMPLE DEMOLITION, COST IS $100?

>> YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM MAYOR, THE QUESTION THERE IS -- THANK YOU FOR LEADING UP TO T THAT. THE QUESTION THERE IS, DO YOU BELIEVE IT COSTS YOU MORE THAN $100 TO GET ALL THAT DONE?

TIME, EFFORT, MATERIALS. >> WHEN IT COMES TO THE POST LIEN. I JUST GAVE UP TO THAT AND FINANCE. FINANCE DOES AN INVOICE AND COMES BACK TO ME AND WE HAVE TO -- YOU KNOW ALL THESE TIMES OF PRINTING OUT A PROPERTY RECORD CARD EVERY TIME.

EVERY STEP OF THE WAY WE PRINT OUT DAY CARD.

THE RECORDING FEES TO DO IT. I BELIEVE IT IS MORE THAN $100, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I AM NOT SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR MORE.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO ANSWER IT, I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT $100 WAS A GOOD DEAL.

DO YOU HAVE STAFF DEDICATED JUST TO DO THIS WORK?

>> AT THIS TIME, YES. ONE CODE OFFICER -- HER PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY -- SHE DOES OTHER THINGS IF NECESSARY, BUT HER PRIMARY JOB OPPORTUNITY -- SHE IS YOUR CSI OFFICER.

DOES THE LOT CLEARINGS AND B D BOARD-UPS.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WE PAY HER?

>> YES, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WITH

TAX DOLLARS? >> YES, SIR.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THIS.

I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME THINGS CALLED "ADMINISTRATION

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: RECORD SOMETHING IN.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YOU GO RECORD IT AT THE COURTHOUSE. A PHYSICAL FEE THAT ST. LUCY COUNTY COSTS US. ADMINISTRATIVE HARD COSTS THAT ARE BEING PAID TO BRING THIS CASE TO BEAR, RIGHT.

I THINK SITTING HERE AND REFLECTING BACK THE OTHER NIGHT WHERE WE WERE, TRYING TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THESE TWO PROCESSES. IF WE HAVE SOMETHING BY RESOLUTION THAT SAYS, HEY, IT IS $100 OPINION RIGHT.

TECHNICALLY BASED ON THAT. I COULD HAVE UNDERSTOOD WITH $100 FOR THAT COSTS AND REDUCTIONS WOULD MAKE SENSE.

BUT US HAVING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE HARD COSTS WHEN IT COMES TO ADMINISTRATION. I THINK WHERE WE HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH THIS T IS IF WE ARE PAYING A SALARY FOR ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE HERE FOR EIGHT HOURS A DAY.

WHATEVER HOURLY THEY ARE DOING, WE ARE PAYING THEM FOR THEIR TIME AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT. TO ME THAT IS A SOFT COST.

IF WE ARE PURCHASING MATERIALS. WILL BE CERT I NEED MAILINGS THAT WILL BE AN ACTUAL COST TO US THAT WE HAVE TO PAY THE UNITED STATES POSTAL SERVICE. IF WE TAKE ON A SERVER TO SERVE SOME OF THESE NOTICES, THAT IS A PHYSICAL ADMINISTRATIVEARDCAST THAT WE PAID. FOR ME, I AM LOOKING TO KIND OF HAVE THAT TYPE OF DELINEATION WHEN IT COMES TO THESE CASES.

IT WILL HELP BETTER UNDERSTAND AND I THINK IT WILL HELP THE PUBLIC BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT. WHERE WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOURLY RATES, GAS, THAT KIND OF STUFF WE ARE GETTING INTO AN AREA WE ARE A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND WHERE I AM AT THAT.

WE GET ADMINISTRATIVE HARD COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO BUY THESE THINGS AND PUTTING A LOT OF SIGNS UP. POSTER BOARD.

YOU BUY IT IN BULK, COUPLE HUNDRED, 200, $300.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS, BUT IT IS A HARD CAST.

I GET IT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO CHIME IN. COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> I SEE HIM. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: IT IS OKAY. I DIDN'T RAISE MY HANDS, BUT I WANT TO COMMENT BEFORE WE GET INTO ANOTHER COMMENT PERIOD.

THE ONLY SOFT COST I SEE IN THIS ENTIRE PROCESS AND A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK IS INTEREST AND PEN PENALTIES.

THOSE ARE FEES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED THAT HAVE BEEN TACKED ON IN ADDITION TO ALL THIS OTHER -- I BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON'S SALARY AND BENEFIT PACKAGE IS A HARD COST.

IF THEY ARE NOT WORKING ON THIS, HE WILL DO SOMETHING ELSE.

BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING ON THIS.

THEY WILL HAVE TO ABSORB THAT FEE AND THE GENERAL BUDGET IS FUNDING THIS AND TAKING AWAY FROM GENERAL BUDGET AND WAVE THIS. THAT IS ME PERSONALLY.

I REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THAT TOO BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT IS -- I WANT TO DEFINE HARD COSTS BUT I WANT TO DESIGN SOFT COSTS. AND FIND THAT OUT HOWEVER I WANT TO. SOFT COSTS, I ONLY SEE TWO I S ITEMS. PENALTIES WHICH WE ARBITRARILY.

I SAY ARBITRARILY, LOOSELY, THAT WE IMPLEMENT BY RESOLUTION.

IT DOESN'T COST THE CITY. WE SAY IMPOSE A PENALTY.

DOESN'T COST THE TAXPAYER ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

THAT IS WHERE I AM AND EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE R N RETAINED. HOLDING ON TO $100 THAT IS A DEAL BASED ON WHAT I JUST HEARD. I CAN GUARANTEE -- NOT GUARANTEE BUT ONCE YOU GET INTO THE CODE, UPWARDS OF $700, TO $800.

I IMAGINE A LOT OF TIME AND A LOT OF FILINGS, A LOT OF RESEARCH. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT DOESN'T INCREASE, THE $100, DOES IT? IT IS FLAT? FLAT FEE?

>> MADAM MAYOR, ASK I ASK TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

THIS SLIDE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS NUISANCE ABATEMENT WHICH

IS THE $100 COST. >> NUISANCE ABATEMENT ONLY.

>> A CODE CASE THAT HAS GONE TO MAGISTRATE AND CITED THEM OVER ANOTHER VIOLATION OF THE CODE. JOUST WE WANT THEM TO MOW THE LAWN OR KNOCK DOWN A BUILDING, A DIFFERENT ANALYSIS FOR

ADMINISTRATIVE COST. >> NO ADMINISTERED I HAVE IT COST CONTINUE TO CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN.

A DAILY FINE. THIS IS FOR NUISANCE ABATEMENT

ONLY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: A GOOD POINT.

I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. >> YOUR LOT CLEARING, YOUR DEMOLITION. ANYTHING WHERE I HAVE A VEND GER DO WORK. SOMETIMES SOLVING ONE OF THOSE

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BUT YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. WHENS THAT THAT RESOLUTION SET BY THIS COMMISSION THAT SET IT AT $100?

>> THE $100 WAS SET BY CITY ORDINANCE A LONG TIME AGO.

THAT $100 WAS IN PLACE 16 YEARS AGO WHEN I STARTED.

IN THE ORDINANCE. WE REWROTE THE ORDINANCE IN 2020, TOOK THE FEES OUT OF THE ORDINANCE AND PUT IT IN A RESOLUTION. $100 WAS SET BY ORDINANCE A LONG

TIME AGO AND NOW IN RESOLUTION. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WHICH MAKES IT EASIER TO CHANGE AND ADOPT AND ADJUST.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR HUDSON: UNLESS THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS OF MRS. WAYS. I THINK WE CAN HEAR FROM THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IF SHE WANTS TO PROVIDE ANY KIND OF INFORMATION. IS THAT ALL RIGHT FOR THE COMMISSION? BECAUSE SHE HAS HEARD OUR DISCUSSION AND OUR QUESTIONS. WILL MIMS, DO YOU WANT TO SAY

ANYTHING BEFORE THAT? >>NICK MIMMS: NO, MAYOR ARE.

I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD FOR THE CONSENSUS OF ADMINISTRATIVE FEES

IS A HARD COST OR SOFT COST. >> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY.

WELL -- >> MADAM MAYOR MORE THAT INVOLVES THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN MY PRESENTATION.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: PLEASE, GO AHEAD.

WE CAN PUT THIS PAINFUL THING OFF JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE.

AMENDMENTS. THESE WILL -- PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. ANYTHING THAT THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDS OR CHOOSES WILL BE PUT INTO THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. A SPECIAL DOCUMENT ADOPTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. NOT A POLICY JUST OUT THERE IN THE AIR. IT WILL BE A DOCUMENTED POLICY.

SO THESE ARE, AGAIN, OUR ONLY ADDRESSING REDUCTIONS.

THESE ARE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS AND NUISANCE ABATEMENT LIENS. GENERAL RULE FOR ALL LIEN REDUCTIONS. REQUEST ONLY BE MADE BY THE OWNER OR WITH WRITTEN APPROVAL FOR A THIRD PARTY TO ACT ON THE OWNER'S BEHALF. A LOT OF PROSPECTIVE PURCHASERS TO PUT IN REDUCTION REQUESTS AND WE LIKE TO PUT A -- YOU HAVE TO BE AN OWNER AND WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER TO ACT ON THEIR BEHALF. A COPY OF THE DEED SHOWING OWNERSHIP AND DATE OF OWNERSHIP MUST PROVIDED.

IF THE PROPERTY IS CONVEYED VIA A SPECIAL WARRANTY DEED OR WARRANTY DEED, ONLY ACCEPT REQUEST IF YOU TRY TO GET THE DAUGHTER RAN FOR. ER IN GUARANTEED THAT THERE ARE NO LIENS ON PROPERTY. IF YOU TRANSFER BY SPECIAL WARRANTY AND WARRANTY DEED, AFTER DO YOU YOUR DUE DILIGENCE OF TRYING TO GET THE GAURANTER. AND WHY THE CITY WILL THE REDUCTION AND APPLICATION FEE OF 250.

>> TO ALL REQUESTS. STAFF'S GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALL REDUCTION REQUESTS. AND I CAN KEEP GOING AND GO BACK SEPARATING TWO TYPES OF LIENS. STAFF -- WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU INCLUDE SPREADING LIENS TO STAFF'S APPROVAL WHICH IS SOMETHING NOT ADDRESSED WHEN WE FIRST DID THE FAST TRACK.

AND THIN FOR ASKS ON PROPERTIES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

REMEMBER YOU HAVE THE SIX PROPERTIES AND FIVE OF THEM ARE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND AFFECTING LIENS ANDS, NOT ST.

LUCIE COUNTY TO RELEASE THE LIENS AT SPREADING AT 3% OF THE FEE. 3% OF WHATEVER THE LIEN IS.

REQUEST WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REGULAR FAST TRACK PROCESS OKAY. AND NUISANCE ABATEMENT LIENS.

AMID STAFF'S APPROVAL TO WAVE 0 50% OF INTEREST PENALTIES AND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES AT THOSE LEVELS STAFF CAN DO A RELEASE OF LIENS WITHOUT IT GOING TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR ANYTHING ELSE. FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN WILL BE REDUCED TO NOTHING MORE THAN THE ADMINISTRATION COSTS AND WE HAVE SEEN THE ADMIN FEE PAGE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS THAT IS THE MINIMUM ALL THIS BE ABLE TO WAIVE IT TOO. NUISANCE ABATEMENT LIENS, WE DON'T HAVE A DECISION. TO BE DETERMINED.

THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS FINAL, BUT YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO APPEAL IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR ANOTHER $250 APPEAL FEE TRYING TO LIMIT THE APPEAL FEE. AND THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS OF

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START THE FORECLOSURE PROCEEDING TIMELY.

FROM WHAT I AM HEARING THREE YEARS IS TOO LONG.

THREE IS TOO SHORT. APPROXIMATELY 12-MONTH TIME TIME TO START THE PROCESS WHICH WILL BE A FINAL NOTICE SERVED BY A PROCESS SERVER PRIOR TO US SENDING IT TO LEGAL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SO FAR THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> 250 FEE FOR ALL REDUCTION REQUESTS BECAUSE THE REDUCTION PROCESS IS. IT IS FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT.

ADDING OWNERSHIP REQUIREMENTS AND FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS AND STAFF'S AUTHORITY FOR RELEASES OF LIENS INCLUDING THE PARTIAL WAIVERS WHICH ARE THE SPREADING LIENS.

AND 50% OF INTEREST PENALTIES AND ADMINISTRATION FEES.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY SOFT COSTS. ANY CASE NOT RESOLVED STAFF OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND MUST APPEAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR AN ADDITIONAL $250. THAT IS THE SUMMARY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THAT IT? >> I BELIEVE SO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: LEAVE THAT UP FOR US.

YOU HAVE COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: ON THE VERY FIRST ONE, YES.

A LOT OF DISCUSSION. I STARTED WRITING DOWN TIME FRAMES. I LIKE THE IDEA OF -- I LIKE THE IDEA OF LESS THAN ONE YEAR, I AM GOING TO SAY STARTING WITH THE THREE-MONTH PERIOD WITH A STRONG LETTER.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WRITE NOTES. I AM TALKING WITH MY FRIENDS UP HERE BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY WILL HAVE ISSUE WITH WHAT I SAY.

THAT'S OKAY. THAT IS WHY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. IF WE WERE ABLE TO START THE PROCESS AT THE THREE-MONTH PERIOD.

IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME FRAME FOR YOUR OFFICE TO NOW ENGAGE.

THE RED FLAG SAYS THREE MONTHS HAVE HIT.

NOW STAFF IS GOING TO GO DO SOMETHING, WRITE.

I IMAGINE THEY WILL DO A LITTLE BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE.

A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH AND Y SAY, OKAY, I DO JUST SEND A LETTER OR NOT SEND A LETTER. SOME TIME FRAME.

I WROTE DOWN 20 DAYS, BECAUSE 20 DAYS IS THE OTHER PROCESS SERVER TIME FRAME. IF WE DIDN'T SEND THE LETTER.

ALMOST AT THE FOUR-MONTH MARK. WE SEND THE LETTER AND HOW MANY

DAYS, COMMISSIONERS? >> MOST --

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: 20, 30 DAYS TO RESPOND.

>> WHEN YOU GET SERVED, YOU HAVE TO RESPOND BETWEEN 10 AND 30

DAYS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

A NORMAL NUMBER. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: NOT IN THE COURT SYSTEM. BUT TRY TO BE FAIR.

WE CAN SAY 30 DAYS AND IT WON'T HURT ANYBODY.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT'S GOOD.

NOW I AM AT 30 DAYS ADDITIONAL. I AM AT THE FIVE-MONTH MARK.

AND AT THAT TIME, THEY CAN THEN COME IN BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO RESPOND AND THEY ARE GOING TO START NEGOTIATING.

THEY ARE GOING TO START SOME DIALOGUE WITH STAFF.

THE WHOLE POINT IS TO START DYING LOG WITH STAFF.

WE ARE AT SIX MONTHS AND ALL WE DID WAS START INITIATING LE S LETTERS. SO FOR ME I THINK YOUR 12-MONTH MARK IS GOOD. BUT I BELIEVE IT WILL BE STRETCHED INTO THAT WITHOUT YOU FINALLY SENDING THE OFFICIAL LETTER AND THE FORECLOSURE NOTICE SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AFTER THAT -- HOW LONG -- MISS EARLEY, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR A LEGAL DOCUMENT TO BE PREPARED TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO FILE THIS.

WHAT DOES THAT LEGAL DOCUMENT LOOK LIKE?

I HAVE NO IDEA. >> AN ACTUAL COMPLAINT AND ALL OF THE STUFF THAT GOES TOGETHER WITH IT.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT -- IT IS -- ONCE YOU GET A PROCESS GOING IN TEMPLATES IN PLACE, IT IS TO THE OVERLY TIME CONSUMING.

BUT, AGAIN, WHEN YOU ARE GOING TO WALK INTO COURT AND SEE SOMEBODY. AND AT LEAST -- IN THE CASE OF THESE PROPERTIES. NOT JUST ONE PERSON.

IT COULD BE FIVE SIBLINGS THAT INHERITED A PROPERTY.

WE GOT TO SERVE ALL OF THEM. YOU KNOW, AND WE HAVE GOT TO SORT OUT AND UNTANGLE ANY ISSUE AS FAR AS TITLE AND THE PROPERTY. WE BETTER HAVE DUCKS IN A ROW.

IT IS NOT AN UNDERTAKING THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN LIGHTLY.

THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS THEMSELVES, DRAFTING TIME, NOT A BIG DEAL.

BUT WE NEED OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: A TIME FRAME AND A PROCESS. I CAN SEE HOW -- WORKLOAD.

WE ARE NORMAL, EVERY DAY, COMING TO WORK AND DOING EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO -- BY THE WAY HERE IS EXTRA ONE AND ANOTHER WIDGET AND ANOTHER WIDGET AND PRODUCE ALL THESE WIDGETS.

I CAN SE IT COMING TO THEE 12-MONTH MARK BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH A COURT FILING. I JUST FEEL THAT --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ABSOLUTELY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: HERE OUR COMMUNITY IS LOOKING AT US GOING, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING, CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME.

HOW COME YOU HAVEN'T TALKED TO THAT PROPERTY OWNER OR FILED ANY

PAPERWORK. >> MAYOR HUDSON: HOW CAN YOU

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LET IT SIT THERE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: IT IS IN THE PROCESS AND THE PROCESS IS RATHER LENGTHY.

THAT IS I DIDN'T SAY ALL OF THOSE THINGS.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE STRONG LETTER BEING DELIVERED AT A T COST, BEING SERVED. PROCESS SERVER BECAUSE IT MAKES A STATEMENT. FOR SO LONG -- I HAVE BEEN HERE ALMOST SIX YEARS NOW, AND FOR SO LONG, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

WE MADE GOOD GAINS. WE WORKED HARD AT ALL THESE ASPECT OF IMPROVING, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTERISTICS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY, AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO -- TO PUSH THAT ONE EXTRA STEP TO SEE IF -- WHAT WE CAN O DO. YOU HAVE GREAT SUCCESS IN THE PROGRAM, AND PEOPLE RESPONDING TO THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED. I LIKE THE OTHER ONES BY THE Y

WAY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: DID YOU SAY -- I WROTE DOWN THREE MONTHS, A STRONG LETTER AND THEN AFTER 30 DAYS OF SERVING -- OR THE STRONG LETTER GOING TO BE SERVED?

>> SO THE THREE-MONTH IS WHERE THE RED FLAG GOES UP FOR STAFF.

AND THEY HAVE TO IMPLEMENT THEIR INTERNAL PROCESS TO GET TO THAT LETTER. WHETHER THEY CALL A PROCESS SERVER. THEY HAVE THE LETTER IN THEIR DOCUMENT. TWO MORE WEEKS HAVE GOT TO GO BY BEFORE THEY GET THE LETTER FOR THE PROCESS CENTER --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE PROCESS SERVER DELIVERS THE STRONG

LETTER. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT'S CORRECT. AT THE FOUR, FIVE-MONTH MARK.

THE FOUR-MONTH MARK PA. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THE THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT THIS STARTED LONG BEFORE THIS PERIOD OF TIME. WE ARE TALKING OF THE TIME IT HAS GONE INTO DEFAULT. TIME BEFORE THAT.

WHEN WE TALK OF THE COMMUNITY BEING INVOLVED WITH IT.

THEY ALREADY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IT.

AND FAST TRACKED FOR US TO GET THIS RESOLUTION MAY TAKE A YEAR BEFORE ANYTHING GETS MOVING THAT DIRECTION.

SO -- SO IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A YEAR, IT IS REALLY A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS. IF IT IS -- REALLY, YOU HAVE TO ADD THAT TIMING TO THIS ISSUE. SO JUST A THOUGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT.

PENTAGON TIME BEFOREHAND. .> COMMISSIO

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: JUST AS IMPORTANT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YOU ARE TALKING OF THE NORMAL ABATEMENT PROCESS WE GO THROUGH NUISANCE.

TO GET THE RED SIGN ON YOUR PROPERTY.

YOU HAVE SO MANY DAYS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS.

YOU ARE TALKING OF THAT PROCESS, COMMISSIONER?

>> AND COMMISSIONER, A REGULAR CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE.

WE CAN ISSUE A NOTICE OF VIOLATION.

AND THEN A FRIENDLY NOTICE AND THEN WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN PRIOR TO SCHEDULING IT FOR A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WHICH IS A MONTH OUT. THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

NOT UNCOMMON FOR HER TO SEE CASES THAT STARTED SIX, NINE MONTHS PRIOR THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK AND GET COMPLIANCE BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

THE SPECIAL MANAGE STRAIGHT AND APPEAR BEFORE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SHE WILL GIVE YOU TIME.

30 DAYS, 60, 90. AND RAISE THINGS ON THE STATE STATUTE. SO IT IS ONLY ONCE ALL OF THAT IS DONE DOES A FINE START, AND ANOTHER CHANCE OF ANOTHER HEARING ABOUT A LIEN GETS FILED. SO THIS TIME FRAME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STARTS AFTER THE LIEN GETS FILED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: VERY GOOD POINT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THERE ARE INTERACTIONS IN HERE WITH THAT LAND OWNER TO BRING THEM IN BEFORE OUR SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND THEY KNOW THE SERIOUSNESS OF WHERE THIS IS GOING. OKAY.

>> TO CLARIFY, THAT IS FOR CODE HEARINGS -- I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP SEPARATE IN OUR HEAD CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES AND LIENS ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE AND NUISANCE ABATEMENT.

SOMETIMES THEY NEVER SEEN A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

GOT A BILL IN THE MAIL AND DIDN'T PAY IT AND AFTER A WHILE LIEN. WHEN INVOICE IS SET OUT BY FINANCE HAS STATEMENT. IF YOU DISAGREE WITH, YOU HAVE A CHANCE FOR A HEARING. YOU NEED TO CONTACT THE CITY.

SEND A REQUEST IN WRITING AND A REQUEST BY SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

>> THEY HAVE TO REQUEST IT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SET THAT

AUTOMATICALLY. >> BUT THEY HAVE TO REQUEST IT AND ON THE NOTICE IT SAYS OFF RIGHT TO DISCUSS THIS.

WE HAD PEOPLE WHO ASK FOR THE HEARINGS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: REALLY, WHY WE ARE DEALING WITH THIS IS TO GET THEIR ATTENTION AND TO KEEP THEM FROM HAVING ASTRONOMICAL COSTS.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS -- TO GET COMPLIANCE YOU AND HELP THEM SO IT DOESN'T GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT HAS TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE COMMISSION TO GET A REDUCTION.

>> WE DON'T GET THE $1.1 MILLION REDUCTIONS ANYMORE.

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>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: A GOOD POINT.

MAYOR, WE ARE TRYING TO HELP THE FOLKS THAT SOMETIMES -- I WILL BE HONEST. I CAN GET IN MY OWN WAY SOMETIMES. AND SOME FOLKS CAN'T GET OUT OF THEIR OWN WAY. THAT IS JUST THE CASE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TOO DO WITH IT.

BUT IF YOU GIVE ME A FATHER OF LEAST RESISTANCE I WILL TAKE THAT ONE AND A SIMPLE -- OH, MY GOODNESS.

I JUST GOT A LETTER THAT SAID -- OH, I BETTER DO SOMETHING NOW.

SOME FOLKS NEED THAT. I NEED THAT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

WHEN WE WERE DEALING WITH NOT TURNING PEOPLE'S ELECTRICITY OFF DURING THE PANDEMIC REACHING OUT TO THEM.

THEY WEREN'T RETURNING OUR C S CALLS.

THEY WEREN'T -- THEY WERE AFRAID WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO HEAR.

A AND THEY WERE DODGY. AND WE WERE TRYING TO HELP THEM.

SO PEOPLE DON'T DEAL WITH THINGS IN A TIMELY FASHION WHEN THEY THINK, OH, MY GOSH, THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR ME TO DEAL WITH, SO I

AM JUST GOING TO IGNORE IT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. SO I VARIED WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE SCREEN. IN MY OBSERVATION IS -- AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS A TIME FACTOR. NOT A DOLLAR FACTOR.

WHEN DOES THE TIME CLOCK START FOR YOU? WHEN IS THAT THREE MONTH GOING TO THEN INITIATE? THAT IS MY OTHER VARIABLE I DON'T UNDERSTAND YET.

>> WHEN A LIEN GETS FIRED. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT IS WHEN THE THREE MONTHS BEGIN?

>> WHAT THE STATE STATUTE SAYS, NOW THAT THE CELINE FILED THREE

MONTHS STARTS. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: YOU PROBABLY SAID THAT AND I MISSED IT.

>> ANYTHING PRIOR TO THE LIEN IS NOT WITH THIS TIME FRAME.

THE DISCUSSION IS WHEN THE LIEN IS RECORDED IN PUBLIC RECORD.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MAKES SENSE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A WHOLE LOT THAT GOES ON A BEFORE THAT.

A WHOLE LOT OF COMMUNICATION THAT GOES ON BEFORE THAT.

>> YES. AGAIN, JUST TO RESTATE, IF YOU WERE HOMESTEADIED AND HOMEOWNER, THIS REALLY DOESN'T APPLY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE STATE STATUTE PREVENTS IT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: FOCUS ON OUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE ABANDONED AND IN ILL-REPAIR AND JUST BLIGHTED, LOOK BAD.

ATTRACTS, YOU KNOW LITTERING AND ADDING TO THAT AND CATCHES PAPER AND BOTTLES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT AND IT BECOMES A EYESORE.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET THAT CLEANED UP AND ADDRESSED IN OUR CITY SO THAT OUR CITY PRESENTS A BETTER LOOK FOR OUR OVERALL COMMUNITY. SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE

ULTIMATELY TRYING TO DO, RIGHT? >> AS WELL NONHOMESTEADIED PROPERTIES SUCH AS RENTAL PROPERTIES.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NONHOMESTEADED RENTAL PROPERTIES ADDRESSING THAT AS WELL. SO VERY WELL.

HERE UNDERSTANDING THAT GO THROUGH ALL THE PROCESS.

THE LIEN IS FILED. THEY WANT TO HAVE A REDUCTION, RIGHT. FOR THEM TO HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE SUMMER A $250 APPLICATION FOR THAT.

SO YOU COME IN AND YOU WANT TO COME FOR REDUCTION, YOU PAY $250. AND HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE THIS PROCESS GO THROUGH FOR RED N REDUCTION.

.> TH >> CORRECT.

SOMETHING I DIDN'T DISCUSS BUT IN THE EXISTING RULES OF PROCEDURE, YOU CANNOT FILE A REDUCTION REQUEST UNLESS YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE. SO YOU HAVE TO -- WHATEVER YOUR VIOLATION WAS, IT HAS TO BE COMPLIED BEFORE A REDUCTION REQUEST CAN BE ACCEPTED. THAT IS IN THE EXISTING RULES PLEASE KNOW ANY REDUCTION RATE THAT COMES IN CURRENTLY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THEY WILL Y STAY.

>> NOT A REDUCTION UNLESS THEY COMPLIED.

EVERY REDUCTION REQUEST UNTIL THEY COMPLIED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY COMMENT ON COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON'S RECOMMENDATION. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO THE

COMMISSION? >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I HAVE

ONE QUESTION BEFORE THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: SURE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: THIS 2 $250 FEE, RIGHT.

THESE ARE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY FOR SOME REASON -- EITHER THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY OUR LIEN OR COULDN'T 35EU OUR LIENS. RIGHT.

COULDN'T PAY -- COULDN'T PAY. I ALWAYS GO BACK TO THE TIME WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ELDERLY LADY THAT -- THAT COULDN'T DO ANYTHING. DO WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE TO UNDERSTAND WHO WE ARE REALLY DEALING WITH.

ARE WE DEALING WITH OUT-OF-TOWN OR LANDLORD THAT JUST DOESN'T CARE? OR ARE WE DEALING WITH SOME TYPE OF CITIZEN, ELDERLY CITIZEN OR, YOU KNOW, DISABLED CITIZEN THAT THEY -- THAT NEEDS SOME HELP. WHERE DOES THAT COME IN? WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY BEFORE WE GET TO THESE THREE MONTHS AND EVERYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ARE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING ANOTHER BURDEN THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON AND ALREADY CAN'T AFFORD THAT WANT TO PAY, WANTS TO GET SOMEBODY TO CUT THE GRASS AND WANTS TO GET SOMEBODY TO DO WHATEVER, BUT JUST CAN'T. WHERE --

>> THIS MIGHT BE ONE YOU WANT TO CALL THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE UP.

WHAT THE COMMISSION -- I AM WILLING TO TAKE ALL THESE RULES.

PUT IF INTO THE WRITTEN RULES OF PROCEDURES THAT WILL COME BACK

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THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO GIVE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SOMETHING TO WEIGH AND DECIDE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: HE DID ASK, WITH WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE.

>> AS A PROPERTY OWNER ANYBODY WITH A LIEN.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SOMETIMES A NEW PROPERTY OWNER THAT -- THE O'ER FIND DERR DIDN'T -- THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER, RIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM JUST TRYING TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE OTHER PEOPLE -- AND PEOPLE IN OUR -- ELDERLY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT GET OUR LETTERS AND THEY WANT TO DO RIGHT, BUT FOR WHATEVER RESTRICTED INCOME THEY ARE ON, THEY JUST CAN'T. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE -- WE SEE -- WE MAKE SURE WE KIND OF IDENTIFY AS BEST WE CAN AS THE CITY COMMISSIONER SAID -- THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, TO HAVE OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. WE KNOW WHO WE ARE DEALING WITH AND SEE IF WE CAN LOOK TO SEE HOW TO GO AFTER THAT INDIVIDUAL.

NOW THAT YOU CLARIFIED THAT THE $250 APPLICATION FEE IS ADDED N ON. SOMEBODY WHO IS ALREADY STRUGGLING DON'T HAVE TO COME UP TO PAY $250.

I CAN'T PAY $25 TO CUT THE G S GRASS, HOW CAN I WAY $250 FOR AN

APPLICATION FEE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: TO GET IT

REDUCED. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: NOW THAT YOU CLARIFY THAT FOR ME. I THANK YOU FOR THAT AND SOMETHING WE ADD ON AT THE END AND WAIVE IT OR NOT WAIVE IT AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE VOTED N ON.

>> CORRECT. SPECIAL MANAGE.

I SIT IN FRONT OF HER FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND SHE TAKES FACTORS INTO RECOMMENDATIONS MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS FOR REDUCTION. SHE ALWAYS ASKS.

HOW LONG DO YOU NEED TO REPAY T IT.

I HAVE SEEN HER GIVE UP TO A YEAR TO PAY.

NOT LIKE 30 DAYS OR 60 YEARS. I HAVE SEEN HER GRANT UP TO 12

MONTHS TO PAY. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM CLEAR NOW. I WAS JUST WORRIED OF COMING UP WITH THIS $250 OPINION I COULDN'T UP WITH $50 TO HAVE SOMEONE TO CUT THE GRASS. OKAY, I AM CLEARED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON HAS MADE A SUGGESTION. AND I THINK -- IF EVERYBODY IS GOOD WITH THAT SUGGESTION AND WE DECIDE WHAT THE -- I WANT T THE:SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO COME UP BEFORE HERE.

OUR DUCKS IN A ROW. THAT THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DECIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION COSTS.

>> THAT IS THE LOST THING. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: WE

HAVEN'T DECIDED THAT ONE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU GO BACK TO

THE SCREEN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I HADN'T THOUGHT OF WHAT YOU SAID COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON THAT THAT REALLY -- THE PENALTIES AND THE INTEREST ARE GOING NOT ARBITRARILY, BUT SOMETHING WE ADD ON. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IF THERE IS -- THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE FOR WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE ADMINISTRATIVE TIME TO BE SPENT AT $100.

I MEAN, I CAN GO WITH YOUR SUGGESTION, ACTUALLY.

HOW DO YOU FEEL OF THAT, COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. HE STRONGLY AGREED ON ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. I WILL STRONGLY DISAGREE.

WE ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT OTHER ADMINISTRATION COSTS TO BE ADDED ON TO THIS, IF I AM NOT MI N MISTAKEN.

$250. ARE WE --

>> APPLICATION FEE. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SO, AGAIN. AT THAT POINT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A PHYSICAL DOING. I GUESS WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE PART OF THIS, MY CONCERN IS WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY EXPENDING, AND I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OF WORKING ON SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THIS IS STILL THEIR JOB.

WE ARE PAYING THEIR BENEFITS TO BE HERE FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WHATEVER THEIR WORK ASSIGNMENTS PER PART OF THEIR DIRECTOR. I THINK WE GET REAL THIN WHEN WE START TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH TIME IS BEING SPENT ON THIS CASE OR DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM THAT CASE TO DO THAT.

THAT IS WHERE MY ARGUMENT COMES THAT I HAVE A CHALLENGE TO THAT.

WORK FOR THE CITY OF FORT P E PIERCE.

AND WHATEVER THAT ASSIGNMENT IS, THAT IS THEIR ASSIGNMENT FOR THAT DAY AND WE WILL PAY THEIR BENEFITS FOR THAT PARTICULAR

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AND IF YOU WERE SAYING MAYBE THAT IS NOW $150.

OR A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE ADMINISTRATIVELY MATERIALS WE USE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. COST INCREASES TO THAT.

TO ME THAT SITS BETTER BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE SIT AT SOME NUMBER THAT COULD BE A FLOATING, MOVING NUMBER BASED ON THE SITUATION. IF YOUR HARD COSTS ARE -- YOU SAY, OKAY, COST OF MATERIALS ARE GOING UP AND SHE GIVES IT -- SHE GIVES US AN ITEMIZED LIST. WHAT ARE THE HARD COSTS OF THIS, THIS AND THIS. LET'S SAY $200.

WE ADOPT THAT. A $200 FLAT ON ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. THEN ON TOP OF THAT, THAT PERSON IS GOING TO APPEAL NOW IS GOING TO BE BASED ON A RECOMMENDATION.

MAYBE NOT ANOTHER $250 FOR THE APPEAL.

NOW UP TO $450 ON THAT PARTICULAR COST.

YOU KNOW, THAT -- THAT IS ALL IN MY MIND OF HOW THE CASE.

I GET CONCERNED WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MAN-HOURS, EXTRA DUTIES, THINGS THAT ARE BEYOND JUST THE HARD SCOPE OF

WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MISS REYES, YOU SAID THIS WAS SET BEFORE YOU CAME HERE.

WHAT KIND OF WORK WILL IT BE FOR YOU TO ACTUALLY DELINEATE THE HARD COSTS -- BY HARD COSTS I MEAN POSTER BOARD OR WHATEVER AS OPPOSED TO A GENERAL FLAT FEE. WHAT KIND OF WORK WILL THAT BE

INVOLVED IN THAT? >> THAT WILL BE A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING MARY STEVE MCNAIR IS WHAT I THINK.

>> COULD I PROVIDE THE COMMISSION A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT ALL MY HARD COSTS ARE AS FAR AS SUPPLIES? I COULD DO THAT KURZ DHAWRZ IS KIND OF WHAT I WAS ASKING.

IF WE KNEW THAT NUMBER AND WHAT IT IS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK YOU KNOW IN GENERAL BUT NOT FOR

EVERY SPECIFIC CASE. >> YES, MA'AM.

THE SUPPLY COSTS WILL BE GENERALLY THE SAME.

THERE IS THE CERTIFIED MAIL. THE REGULAR MAIL.

THE POSTING -- ACTUAL POSTING. THE MAILING OF INVOICE.

ALL OF THAT IS -- IS PRETTY EASY TO DEVELOP.

THE PRINTING COSTS WILL BE MORE CHALLENGING.

AGAIN EVERY STEP WE TAKE, WE PRINT PICTURES AND A PROPERTY APPRAISAL CARD. THE PRINTING OF THE PHOTOS -- IF I AM DEALING WITH A QUARTER-ACRE LOT, I AM ONLY GOING TO HAVE FOUR PHOTOS. DEALING WITH A LARGE LOT, I WILL 15 PHOTOS. THINGS LIKE THAT ARE A LITTLE HARDER TO DETERMINE, BUT THERE ARE COSTS THE FOLDER AND THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH EVERY STEP THAT WE TAKE.

AND OF COURSE IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE EMPLOYEE COSTS.

BUT THE PHYSICAL SUPPLY, PRINTING, RECORDING, I CAN COME UP WITH A GENERAL ESTIMATE. A LOW AND MAYBE HIGH.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET

AT MADAM MAYOR. >> MAYOR HUDSON: TRYING SEE WHAT YOU DO PAID AS A STAFF PERSON.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SUPPLIES TO PRINTING.

A GENERAL BALL. PARK FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND.

THAT IS I AM TRYING TO GET. DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EXACT, BUT IF I CAN GET THIS AROUND MY HEAD, IT HELPS US UNDERSTAND THIS IS A

HARD COST, IN MY MIND. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I CAN'T GET PAST IT. I AM TRYING TO GET THERE, COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. YOU BROUGHT THIS UP SEVERAL TIMES. TO ME, THIS IS REAL MONEY.

IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A VIOLATOR OUT THERE, THAT POSITION WOULDN'T BE USED FOR THIS PURPOSE. THIS IS SPECIFIC TO THE NEEDS OF BEING ABLE TO -- TO ADDRESS THOSE FEW PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE JUST NOT GOING TO FOLLOW THE RULE.

I THINK THE $100 IS A VERY LOW FIGURE.

HAVING IT SET IN THERE. I FEEL GOOD THROUGH MY FIDUCIARY, THAT THE TAXPAYERS IS PAYING FOR THIS.

AT LEAST SOME OF THIS GOING FORWARD.

I THINK THAT COULD ALSO PRODUCE ANOTHER PERSON IN YOUR DEPARTMENT THAT CAN DO THINGS THAT ARE FOR GENERAL SAFETY AND WELFARE OF -- OF THE PHOENIX IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AIM HARD TIME. FOR ME THAT IS REAL MONEY.

I CAN'T GET PAST IT. IT IS REAL MONEY WHEN YOU ARE WRITING A LETTER. WHEN YOU ARE -- WHEN YOU ARE GOING FOR INSPECTIONS AND ALL DONE BECAUSE SOMEONE IS NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. AND IT IS JUST NOT THE FIRST TIME. IT'S TIME AND TIME.

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THEY GET THE LITTLE LETTER AND SAY YOU ARE IN VIOLATION.

MOST PEOPLE WILL SCRAMBLE AND GET DONE.

IT IS IN ALL COMPLIANCE. THESE FEW THAT WILL NOT DO THIS.

WE HAVE PROVIDED A EMPLOYEE THAT WE PAY WITH TAX DOLLARS TO GO AHEAD AND IDENTIFY WHO THEY ARE AND MOVE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.

I THINK THOSE VIOLATORS NEED TO HELP PAY FOR THAT.

THIS IS A HARD COST. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YEAH, BUT COMMISSIONER PERONA. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DELINEATE HOW MUCH TIME IS ALLOCATED. IF IF I HEAR FROM YOU, WE NEED TO KNOW THE AMOUNT OF TIME. AND WHAT NUMBER TO PUT ON IT.

$100 ON IT. IF IT IS $100, $150, $200, A FLAT COST FOR THAT. I GUESS HEARING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, TO ME THERE ARE IS THE FIRST I HEARD OF 100. IT IS A LITTLE LOW, BUT WHATEVER IT IS, IF THAT IS THE COST WE DETERMINE, THEN THAT -- I CAN GET THERE, BUT I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE SAME THING BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR NUMBER IS ON THIS.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AM SET AT $100.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: OKAY, $100.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THERE MAY BE QUESTIONS OF OTHER CHARGES IN HERE MUCH LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. I KNOW THE LOW FIGURE IS $100.

YOU CAN JUSTIFY THAT $100 ALMOST IN EVERY CASE THAT YOU BRING ME, I WILL SHOW YOU $100 OF HARD KANSAS.

SO THAT IS THE NUMBER. -- OF HARD COSTS.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE ARE SAYING THE SAME THING.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH 0 $100.

THE OTHER DAY ON THAT CASE. SEVERAL MOVING PART OF THAT.

WHEN I STARTED ASKING ABOUT IT, IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

AND THAT CASE JUST THE OTHER DAY A $2300 PLUS $100 FOR THAT CASE A TOTAL OF $2400 WE WILL BE ASKING THAT PERSON TO BRING THAT

INTO COMPLIANCE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: SEVEN LIENS IN

HIS. >> SEVEN LIENS IN HIS NAME.

>> SEVEN TIMES $100 WOULD HAVE BEEN $700.

WE WERE ASKING FOR THE $20 FOR ONES NOT IN HIS NAME.

THAT IS STILL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT -- AND I HAD TO TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE THERE WAS -- FOR THE DISCUSSION PART, BUT STAFF IS STILL RECOMMENDING THAT THIS THAT FOR ANY LIEN IN THAT PERSON'S NAME THAT THE $100 FEE APPLIES AND JUST THE RECORDING FEES FOR ANY LIEN PRIOR TO THEIR OWNERSHIP.

STILL STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER GAINES, WHERE ARE YOU IN ALL THIS?

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: REAL QUICK.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT $100. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SOME NUMBER -- I THINK EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT $100. WE KNOW WE GOT TO BUY SIGNS.

WE GOT TO BUY METAL WIRES. YOU JUST MENTIONED FOLDERS, RIGHT. FOLDERS.

PRINTING -- YOU CAN PUT A NUMBER ON THERE, BUT I KNOW COLOR PRINTING, BLACK AND WHITE PRINTING IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT -- THAT IS A COST. DO YOU KNOW OFF HAND HOW MUCH

RECORDING FEES ARE? >> YES, SIR.

RECORDING FEES ARE $10 FOR THE RECORDING OF THE LIEN.

$10 FOR THE RELEASE OF LIEN. A $10 PAGE.

$10 FOR THE FIRST PAGE AND A LIEN IS ONE PAGE LONG.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: NOW WE ARE TALKING.

NEW START DOING THE MATH LIKE THAT, $10 HERE.

AND THEN $90. GO A AND BUY A BOARD AND A WIRE.

THEN WE ARE DOWN TO $80. YOU GO BY -- I MEAN WHATEVER, FOLDERS. YOU ARE DOWN.

PRINTING. YOU ARE DOWN.

SO YOU CAN -- IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT KEEPING A -- AN ADMINISTRATION FEE FOR $100, RIGHT.

IS THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, I CAN SLEEP WITH THAT AND I CAN JUSTIFY THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND BUY MATERIAL. AND WE HAVE TO RECORD AND DO STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT I CAN DO.

I UNDER STAND MY COMMISSIONERS. AND IT IS HARD COST AND THE PERSON HAS TO DO THE WORK. IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT, THEY COULD BE DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

I GET THAT. BUT MY CONCERN IS BEING ABLE TO JUSTIFY TO SOMEONE WHY IS IT $100.

FOR $100, I CAN SAY HAD YOU FOLLOWED THE RULES, I WOULDN'T HAVE TO SENDS A CERTIFIED LETTER OR PRINT SOME PAPER OR GET A -- CREATE A FOLDER JUST FOR YOU. GO BUY A -- TWO-SIDED -- O ONE-SIDED WHATEVER IT IS -- TWO-SIDED, WHATEVER IT IS THOSE ARE DIFFERENT PRICES AND THE METAL WIRES.

BEFORE I KNOW IT I CAN HAVE $60 TO $70 THAT I CAN SHOW WHAT THE CITY HAD SPENT FOR -- JUST BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE

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RULES AND GOT US TO THIS POINT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AND HAD A LOT OF NOTICE BEFORE THAT. G.A.U.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JUST $100, I AM FINE WITH THAT.

I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

AND HIS CONCERN WAS, IS IT -- I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM.

IS IT GOING TO BE $100? OR MORE THAN $100.

GREATER THAN $100. IF WE STICK WITH THE $100 THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR 16 YEARS I SAY WE STICK WITH IT AND MOVE N ON. IF SOMEBODY ASK ME I CAN COME TO YOUR OFFICE AND SAY GIVE ME A BREAKDOWN I SPENT ON THIS CASE.

AND YOU CAN SAY YOU GOT TO DEAL BECAUSE IF WE SPENT MORE THAN 1 $100 TO GET TO THIS POINT. IF WE ARE TALKING OF $200, $300 OR TO BE DETERMINED A PROBLEM I HAVE TO WORK WITH BECAUSE HOW CAN I JUSTIFY THAT TO SOMEONE ELSE WHEN I KNOW $10 CERTIFIED LETTER, PRINTING IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO IF $100, I AM FINE WITH IT. AND ESPECIALLY NOW THAT I KNOW THAT THE 250 IS IN THE ENOUGH FOR AN UP-FRONT COST.

SOMETHING DOWN AT THE END. LAST POINT I MAKE.

ON THIS ADMINISTRATION FEE OF 1 $100, SOMETHING THAT THE MAGISTRATE LOOKS AT AND SAYS THIS IS WAIVEABLE OR NOT WAIVEABLE OR WHATEVER. THIS IS SOMETHING IN HER -- OR IS IT JUST BEST THAT SHE DOESN'T DISCUSS.

>> THE $100 IS FOR NUISANCE ABATEMENT.

ONLY TIME IT WILL GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS NUMBER ONE, IF YOU APPEAL THE ACTUAL ACTION.

IF YOU GET THAT NOTICE AND SAYS ON THE POSTING -- ON THE POSTING IT SAYS OFF RIGHT TO A HEARING. WHEN WE SEND THE INVICE, A RIGHT TO A HEARING. IF YOU APPEAL ONE OF THOSE OR LOOKING FOR A REDUCTION REQUEST. WAIVING THE $100 IS DETERMINED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. GAINESVILLE GHAINZ IS I DIDN'T WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. AND, AGAIN, WE ARE ONLY TALKING OF NUISANCE ABATEMENT CASES. THIS IS WHERE.

THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE GONE OUT AND DONE SOMETHING --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A LOT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: TO MAKE A PROPERTY SAFE AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AND. AND, YES, WE WANT TO CHARGE YOU $100 BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT IT COSTS TO DO THIS AS FAR AS THE ADMINISTRATION FEE. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT, RIGHT? >> JESS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM GLAD YOU. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO AS A COMMISSION IS AGREE THAT WHAT YOU HAVE DEFINED AS HARD COSTS IS HARD COSTS. WHAT YOU DEFINED AS SOFT COSTS ARE SOFT COSTS. AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, WE WILL NOT CALL IT HARD OR SOFT. THEY ARE ADMINISTRATIVE.

SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO CONFUSE OURSELVES IF IT IS A HARD OR

SOFT COST. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NOW WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THAT IS.

I GET THAT NOW AND I AM IN AGREEMENT OF THAT.

BUT THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANT TO ADD IN THIS CASE -- AND STILL IN MY HEAD. SEVEN TIMES 100.

SEVEN DIFFERENT -- >> SEVEN DIFFERENT CASES.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SEVEN DIFFERENT PIECES OF

PROPERTY. >> CITED THEM SEVEN TIMES AND

CUT IT SEVEN TIMES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT ONE. NOT TO BEAT THIS INTO THE G D GROUND, BUT COMMISSIONER, THAT WAS ONE PARTICULAR CASE.

ONE PARTICULAR CASE AND -- IT COULD COME IN FRONT OF US AND WE CAN DECIDE. THIS ONE PROPERTY OWNER.

JUST ONE PROPERTY OWNER, BUT GOING FORWARD, IF WE KNOW YOU DIDN'T -- MISS RESIDENT, MR. RESIDENT.

YOU DIDN'T DO SOMETHING WRITE. WE CHARGE $100 WE ARE GIVING YOU A DEAL ON BECAUSE IT IS PROBABLY MORE THAN IT IS COSTING IT.

AND CHARGING THIS $100. IF THEY CAME IN HERE AND GOT IN FRONT OF US AND SAID SHOW ME THE $100.

I'M PRETTY SURE ONCE WE GOT THE FILE.

I UNDERSTAND THE $700 BECAUSE JUMPED OUT WHEN I READ IT.

I UNDERSTAND SEVEN TIMES THE ONE PROPERTY.

BUT WE HAVE THE ABILITY -- WE HAVE A ABILITY AS A COMMISSION TO SEE EACH OF THOSE CASES AND COME BACK AND SAY, OKAY, WE UNDERSTAND WENT OUT SEVEN TIMES AND CUT THE GRASS SEVEN TIMES AND GIVE THIS PERSON A BREAK OR WHATEVER BASED ON IF THEY ARE TRYING TO WORK TO FIX THE PROBLEM THAT IS WORKING WITH IT.

OTHER THAN, I GOT WHERE YOU ARE COMING FLORIDA.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: SEVEN TIMES THE ADMINISTRATIVE KEY FOR THIS CASE. THAT IS THE WHOLE ARGUMENT RIGHT

NOW. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK -- WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE DECISIONS TO MAKE.

WE ARE SORT OF THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IF THAT IS ALL RIGHT.

BECAR HER TO COME FORWARD AND TELL US WHAT SHE THINKS OF WHAT WE ARE SAYING BECAUSE SHE HAS THE REAL FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE. COUNSELOR, FRAN ROSS, THANK U

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YOU. >> GOOD MORNING.

LET ME JUST SAY THE CITY DOES A GREAT JOB AT WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE MATTERS. AND, AGAIN, THESE ARE NUISANCE ABATEMENT -- NUISANCE ABATEMENT COSTS.

WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNER OR OWNERS HAVE JUST NEGLECTED THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO CARE FOR THE PROPERTY.

AND SO THEN THE CITY IS FORCED TO HIRE SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND TAKE CARE OF THE PROPERTY AND DO WHATEVER WITH THE HARD COSTS.

AND SOFT COSTS. YOU UNDERSTAND AND ADMINISTRATION FEES. I DON'T SEE -- IN MY 15 YEARS, I THINK THAT I DON'T THINK THEY EVER HAVE BEEN ABUSIVE.

THE ONLY EXAMPLE TYPICALLY THE CITY WORKS WITH THESE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IS NOT BEING ABUSED OR IS HE NIL TEE OR WHATEVER. I TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THERE ARE -- -- SENITIY OR WHATEVER.

I TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THERE IS SITUATIONS WHERE CUT YARD AND GRASS SEVEN TIMES. PERSON IS NOTIFIED.

THOSE ARE THINGS THINK THAT CONSIDER BEFORE I RENTER A DECISION. AND YOU HAVE THE DECISION MAKING SES BUT BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, AS A PROPERTY OWNER, WE DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO MARY PWHAIRZ IS BEING PROPOSEDO YOU SEE ANY RED FLAG WITH WHAT WE ARE BEING PROPOSED.

>> I DON'T, MADAM MAYOR, I D T DON'T.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE THE ONE THAT DEALS WITH IT.

>> I DON'T. THIS DEPARTMENT -- IF YOU EVER SEEN ANY OF MY HEARINGS, I ALWAYS TELL THEM, TALK TO THE CITY. THEY WILL WORK WITH YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I KNOW YOU DO. >> I TELL THEM TO DO THAT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE BEND OVER BACKWARDS TO GET PEOPLE TO

COMPLY. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHTY. OKAY.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS QUITE A BIT AND A LOT TO DIGEST ON WHAT WE ARE PROPOSE -- COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON, WHAT WE PROPOSE. ARE WE OKAY WITH THAT?

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: NOW THAT HE EXPLAINED IT MADAM MAYOR AND HIS RATIONALE. I HAVE BEEN THINKING THE SAME THING. AND THINKING THE THREE MONTHS

STARTS -- THREE MONTHS STARTS -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT THE STATE

GAVE US. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. STARTED IN JANUARY.

DIDN'T GIVE THREE MONTHS TO GET IT CAUGHT UP.

NOW APRIL, MAY, AND YOU GET THE LETTER AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER MONTH. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE THEM ANOTHER MONTH TO COME TALK TO S US.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: EVEN BEFORE WE DO STUFF.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYTHING ELSE -- ARE YOU CLEAR.

>> I AM FAIRLY CLEAR. AS I UNDERSTAND WE WILL PUT THIS IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

WILL COME TO YOU IN A REGULAR COMMISSION MEETING FOR FINAL

ADOPTION. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I HAVE ONE QUESTION THAT I AM NOT CLEAR ON.

DECIDE IN ALL THAT SUMMARY THAT ADMINISTRATION FEES ARE WAIVEABLE OR NOT? DID WE MAKE THAT DECISION?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE DIDN'T MAKE THAT DECISION.

WE DECIDED TO CALL THEM ADMINISTRATION FEES AND I THINK THE COMMISSION -- GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONERS.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THEY ARE NOT HARD COST OR SOFT COSTS.

YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THANK EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE AND IN PARTICULAR, IT IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE HARD COSTS AND DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION. SO WHEN WE SAY WE WILL WAIVE HARD COSTS, WE WILL STILL TALK ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THE DEFINITION WILL BE SOFT COST FROM NOW ON AND INTEREST AND PENALTIES AND ADMINISTRATION FEES.

IS IT WRITTEN ANYWHERE THAT WE SAY WE WAIVE SOFT COSTS AND CHARGE HARD COSTS? NOT SOMETHING WRITTEN EVE E

EVERYWHERE% PER FROM STAFF THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

>> CORRECT. AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS SAT HERE AND HEARD YOUR DISCUSSION AND UNDERSTANDS YOUR DECISION. THEY WILL COME TO HER AND I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR THE COMMISSION SO THAT

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THESE ISSUES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMS, ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS? .

>>NICK MIMMS: NOPE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU CLEAR

THAT WE HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: WE DIDN'T MAKE A DECISION. IT IS UP -- IT CAN BE WAIVED.

AT THE END OF THE DAY BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS IF THIS COMMISSION AND THIS BODY SAYS WE WANT TO WAIVE

IT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE CAN DO

THAT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

MISS EARLEY. >> OR CHANGE HOW WE HANDLE AND MORE -- IN AN APPELLATE CAPACITY, WHAT YOU CAN DO IS DELEGATE AUTHORITY TO WAIVE M THEM.

AND IT CAN BE DONE ON A CASE BY CASE.

SO THAT IS AN OPTION AS WELL. BUT OBVIOUSLY IF YOU WERE DOING IT CASE B CASE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS CONSISTENT AND TREAT

LIKE PARTIES ALIKE, EFFORTS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT.

JAERZ INJURIES AT THE END OF THE DAY --

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: AT THE END OF THE DAY THESE LENGTHY AGENDA ITEMS AND BIG CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. AND TRYING NOT TO POLITICIZE THE PROCESS THAT IS PART OF IT.

PEOPLE WANT TO COME AND GIVE A WORD TO US, THEY ARE FREE TO DO SO. THEY CAN COME TO THIS PLACE AND TALK TO US ABOUT IT. THERE WILL BE A LOT OF DISCUSSION BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO THIS DAIS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE NOT NECESSARILY TRYING TO PREVENT THAT, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE A SYSTEM THAT IS FAIR TO -- TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS. FAIR TO THE OTHER TAXPAYERS.

FAIR TO EVERYBODY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I LIKE TO VOICE -- WE ARE ALL TAXPAYERS HERE AND I WILL BE HONEST, $100.

I AM STILL PAYING FOR THAT OFFENDER AT THE END OF THE DAY.

I DON'T TO PAY FOR THAT. AS A TAXPAYER, I DON'T WANT TO -- TAKE THE COMMISSION HAT OFF, THAT IS HOW I FEEL OF A TA R TAXPAYER. WE ARE TRYING MAKE A BEAUTIFUL

COMMUNITY AT THE END OF THE DAY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THEY WANT US TO MAKE BEAUTIFUL. THEY GET ON US WHEN IT IS NOT BEAUTY. WHY CAN'T WE GET ON THAT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I HEAR YOU, COMMISSIONER.

BUT DEAL WITH DATA. A GREAT MAJORITY OF WHAT OUR CODE AND ABATEMENT ISSUES ARE COME FROM A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT IS REALLY STRUGGLING AND HAS STRUGGLED FOR A LONG TIME ECONOMICALLY. WE ARE DOING OUR PART TO ECONOMICALLY TRY BEAUTIFY AREA SO INVESTMENT WILL COME IN AND PEOPLE WILL TAKE PRIDE IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND MAY NOT BE ANYTHING BUILT THERE, BUT TO NOT HAVE A TRASHY LOT OR BUILDING THAT IS NOT SAFE FOR KIDS OR PEOPLE WALKING AROUND THE AREA. WE HAD A STRUCTURE CATCH ON FIRE THE OTHER DAY ON AVENUE 2 AS A RESULT OF MANY YEARS OF ABANDONMENT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR THAT WE ALL ARE SAYING THE SAME LANGUAGE BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT FORT PIERCE IS JUST STARTING TO BEGIN TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER AN ECONOMIC ENGINE SO THAT THE CITIZENS -- THE COMMUNITY, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE LABORED HERE FOR MANY YEARS WILL HAVE SOME MEANS TO DO THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

CUTTING GRASS AND TEARING DOWN BUILDINGS MAY NOT SEEM LIKE A LOT BUT CHALLENGING FOR SOME THAT ARE NOT CHALLENGING ECONOMICALLY AND I WANT TO PERSONALLY SAY THAT AND I AM SENSITIVE TO THAT. AND I WANT TO HEAR YOU TO SAY THAT WHAT I AM MOST PROUD ABOUT IS THAT WE ARE MAKING THIS.

WE ARE COMMUNICATING THIS AND TRYING MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AND AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AT ALL LEVELS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET TO. MAKE SURE IT IS CLEAR.

IT IS FAIR. AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: TO RESPOND, I AGREE WITH YOU.

I JUST THINK THAT THE DATA WILL SHOW THAT THE OFFENDERS ARE NOT THOSE FOLKS. THE OFFENDERS ARE PROPERTY O R OWNERS THAT DON'T LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I THINK THEY ARE BUSINESS OWNER THAT MAY OPERATE HERE OR LANDLORDS WITH BUSINESSES OPERATING WITHIN THAT REALLY DON'T CARE. BECAUSE WHEN I LUKE AT THE RENTAL RATES AND THE HIGH NUMBER OF RENTAL HOMES WITHIN PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITIES WANT LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY.

DRILL DOWN DATA. I KNOW IT IS GREATER THAN 68%.

I THINK THE LAST NUMBER I SAW, THAT TELLS ME THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS MAKING THE PROFIT AND NOT REINVESTING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY ARE MAKING THAT MONEY. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT I LIKE -- LIKE I AM TAXPAYER AND I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR MOWING THE GRASS. BUT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT FOLKS AND RESIDENTS. WE WILL BE OUT THERE HELPING THEM OUT. SO I AM WITH YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK WE ARE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING BUT IN

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A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WAY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK WE ARE

[f. Follow-up discussion on Business Tax Receipt Rates]

>> THE NEXT ITEM BE THE AGENDA IS A FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION ON

BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT RATES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: HERE IS ANOTHER ONE. THAT WE COULD -- SO I -- SO -- I LOST TWO COMMISSIONERS HERE. OKAY.

SO I WANT TO SAY THAT I AM WHERE I WAS LAST TIME.

I AM READY TO MOVE IT BACK TO PREPANDEMIC LEVELS.

SO -- MEANING AN INCREASE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: NO.

BACK TO PREPANDEMIC LEVELS. YEAH.

IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT IT? AM I GOING TO MAKE THIS DECISION BY MYSELF?

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: YOU SAID -- WHAT -- TELL ME WHAT THAT IS. WHICH PARAGRAPH IN THIS LETTER

HERE? >> MAYOR HUDSON: CAN YOU HELP HIM, MISS COX, I HAVEN'T PULLED IT UP.

>> LET'S SEE. WE DID A -- 2020, WE DID A DECREASE OF 5% OF THE CURRENT -- OF THE -- OF WHAT WAS THE

BUSINESS TAX RATE. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

DECREASED IT. >> DECREASED IT OPINION INJURIES INJURY YOU ARE SAYING BRING IT BACK UP TO 5%.

>> WHERE IT WAS PRIOR. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WHERE IT WAS.

THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT WOULD GIVE US THE TABLE THAT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE L R

LETTER? >> THE CURRENT RATE RIGHT NOW.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: THAT IS CURRENT.

>> SO 23.82 IS JUST THE GENERAL RATE FOR A BEAUTY SHOP.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: TODAY?

>> TODAY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: 5% WILL BE

HALF OF 10%. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

A SMALL NUMBER. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW, WE DON'T DO SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

THAT IS MY FEELING ON THAT. ANY OTHER COMMISSION THEIR HAS

AN OPINION? >> ANNUAL FEES.

$1.19 PER YEAR. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I AM SAYING I AM READY TO GO BACK TO WHERE WE WERE BEFORE.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE.

WOULD IT BE 5%? I LOOKED AT THAT PACKET.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: YOU SAY TWO YEARS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE CAN'T CHANGE IT FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS.

>> UP, DOWN, OR STAY THE SAME EVERY TWO YEARS.

LESS THAN THAT $100 WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.

>> MUCH LESS. THE HIGHEST -- THE HIGHEST AMOUNT WOULD BE $28.83 A YEAR, I THINK, IN GENERAL.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: SAY THAT AGAIN?

WHAT WAS IT? >> THE HIGHEST AMOUNT OF INCREASE THAT SOMEBODY WOULD RECEIVE ON A INDIVIDUAL LICENSE

IS $28.83, I THINK IS -- >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

YOU KNOW WHAT -- >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT CATEGORY OR BUSINESS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A BANK. >> BANKS AND MERCHANTS OVER

$15,000 HAVE THE HIGHER RATES. >> MAYOR HUDSON: FOR A WALMART

OR BANK. >> MULTIPLE CLASSIFICATION.

A FEE FOR EACH CLASSIFICATION. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I THINK THAT THE FEE SHOULD GO BACK UP TO PREPANDEMIC.

5%. THAT'S WHERE I AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT'S WHERE I AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: WE ONLY HAVE ONE SHOT OF IT HERE, RIGHT?

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: VOTE FOR IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I HAVE THREE PEOPLE NO OPINION?

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I HAVE AN OPINION.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING IT FORWARDS.

MOVE IT FORWARDS AT 5% AND PUTS IT IN THERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SOMETHING TO VOTE ON.

[g. Annual performance evaluation of Linda Cox, City Clerk]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAVE A CONSENSUS.

ARE YOU CLEAR? >> I AM CLEAR.

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF LINDA

COX, CITY CLERK. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WILL BE HOPE THAT START UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO START.

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I HAVE. AND YOU HIRE SUCH GOOD PEOPLE AND SOMEBODY HIRES THEM AWAY, SO YOU ARE KIND OF CONSTANTLY IN TRAINING MODE. BUT THAT SEEM TO GO WITH THE TERRITORY. I LIKE TRANSPARENCY AND THE RECORDS -- AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE GOING TO BE UNDERSTANDING WHAT RECORDS THEY KEEP AND HOW THEY KEEP THEM AND I AM VERY SATISFIED WITH ALL THE SCHEDULING SUPPORT THAT YOU PROVIDE FOR ME. AND THAT'S IT.

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I, TOO, AM VERY HAPPY WITH THAT. WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD RIGHT NOW. WHATEVER IS THE WAY RIGHT TODAY IS GOING TO CHANGE TOMORROW. AND I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THE RESPONSE TIME CLERK HAS DONE TO GET US IN THE 21ST CENTURY. STILL IN THE 19TH CENTURY AND SHE WORKS ON ME ALL THE TIME. AND I ALWAYS HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT WE ARE HOLDING OUR OWN AS A CITY AS PROGRESSIVE CITY ON THE TREASURE COAST. WE HOLD OUR OWN.

AND IT IS BECAUSE THAT DEPARTMENT RIGHT THERE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YEP. WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WILL JUST ADD.

MISS COX. I AM CONFIDENT IN YOUR DEPARTMENT AND ITS WORK YOU HAVE DONE AND THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME ON TASK AND ALL OF THOSE CHALLENGES I THROW YOUR WAY.

I WILL SAY THAT IT IS OFFERING ANY TYPE OF CONSTRUCTIVE MOVE FORWARD IS THAT WE ARE MOVING INTO A CENTURY WHERE, YOU KNOW, TECHNOLOGY WILL PLAY A RAPID PART.

AND AS MUCH AS YOU CAN ANTICIPATE THAT AND TRY TO FORECAST THAT SO AS POLICYMAKERS AND BUDGET SETTERS THAT YOU KEEP THAT IN FRONT OF US. YOU KNOW, TO START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE THOSE ARE A HUGE INVESTMENT WHEN YOU ARE STARTING TO DIGITIZE STUFF AND THINGS.

YOU DO A GOOD JOB. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW. YOU GO TO CONFERENCES AS PROFESSIONAL CLERK OF THIS CITY AND ANYTHING YOU PUT ON THE HORIZON AND THINGS WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT.

I CHALLENGE YOU TO CONTINUE TO BRING THAT TO US SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. SO MAYBE, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE TO YOU MAYBE HAVE MORE UPDATES FOR US ALONG THE WAY TO SAY, HEY, I AM HEARING THIS. AND THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL.

BUT OVERALL, YOU KNOW, YOUR STAFF AND YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT?

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I CAN.

-- >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I CAN.

MISS COX. FOUR MONTHS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER AND EVERYTHING FROM YOUR OFFICE HAS BEEN PROFESSIONAL. YOU HAVE TOLD ME AND HAD THE HARD CONVERSATIONS YOU HAD WITH ME.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND YOU KEEP MY AGENDA AND MY CALENDAR VERY WELL UPDATED. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE TO WORK FOR YOU. AND AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE FOR ME.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: NOT MUCH LEFT TO SAY BUT I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK EFFORT, DEDICATION, AND ESPECIALLY THE EFFICIENCY WITHIN THE OFFICE. I THINK THAT IS I DIDN'T TELL CAL FOR RECORDKEEPING FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

RECORDKEENING IN GENERAL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

BEING EFFICIENT AND ORGANIZED AND HAVE STAFF TO DO THAT TOO.

HAVING A STAFF THAT GREETS FOLKS WITH A SMILE, DIVERSE, BIL L BILINGUAL. IT IS IMPORTANT -- YOU KNOW YOUR MAKE-UP OF YOUR OFFICE IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.

VERY ACCESSIBLE IN KEEPING STAFFING LEVEL.

ALWAYS WORKING ON THAT, OF COURSE.

BUT, THEN -- AND I WILL BOUNCE THE TECHNOLOGY PART OFF MR. S MIMS, BUT TECHNOLOGY IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU KNOW TO LOOK UP RECORDS AND GET IT TO THE PUBLIC SO WE DON'T ENCOUNTER. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO ADD ANYTHING, BUT HARD TO FIND AND IT IS IN A BOX SOMEWHERE AND GRAB THAT BOX. I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND TO KEEP US ORGANIZED. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYTHING WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY?

>> I AM HAPPY TO REPORT AS OF THIS WATCHING FRIDAY, ALL OF OUR MINUTES, ORDINANCES AND RESOLUTIONS WILL BE AVAILABLE AND SEARCHABLE ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE.

BASICALLY THE TECHNOLOGY THAT BE CURRENTLY USE FOR SCANNING ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS OF THE CITY HAS A PUBLIC PORTAL.

AND THAT IS GOING TO GO LIVE ON FRIDAY.

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: WONDERFUL. >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH I.T. FOR QUITE A LONG TIME MAKING SURE THINGS ARE RIGHT.

WE ARE MOVING FORWARD MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS AND ASK INTO THAT SOFTWARE SO WE ARE NOT ALL USING DIFFERENT THING.

IT IS A CONSTANT BATTLE THAT MR. MIMS HAS BEEN A GREAT SUPPORTER ON THAT EFFORT, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO TAKE AND MOVING FORWARD IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND ANY POSITION AS A RECORDS COORDINATOR WILL BE CRIT IN HELPING THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS MOVE FORWARD. BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT IS OVERWHELMING WHEN YOU START THINKING OF ALL THE RECORDS THAT THE CITY HAS AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO BEGIN HANDS IT IS WITH WHAT THIS POSITION IS REALLY GOING TO FOCUS ON AND HELP

EVERYBODY WITH MOVING FORWARD. >> AND USING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, WE ARE JUST NOT CURRENTLY UTILIZING TO ITS BEST ABILITY. EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GREAT JOB. WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT PUBLIC RECORDS HAVE BECOME AND TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT.

SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID. AND I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT OF MR. NIMS THAT WHOLE EFFORT ALSO. SHALL WE MOVE ON.

[h. Annual performance evaluation of Nick Mimms, City Manager]

>> NEXT, WE HAVE THE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF NICHOLAS MIMMS, CITY MANAGER. MARY MRAIRZ MIMS, I WILL START BY SAYING I AM HAPPY WITH YOUR ADMINISTRATION AND REALLY HEAPING WITH THE TRACKING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

BECAUSE IT KEEPS US THINKING ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE WE GET THOSE THINGS THAT SAY THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THIS ISSUE AND THIS. I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THAT TRACKING MECHANISM. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROBLEM AREAS AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THAT AND YOU ARE WORKING ON THAT.

AND I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR PROMPT COMMUNICATION IN ADDRESSING PROBLEMS PROMPTLY THAT -- SOME OF THEM ARE -- ARE REALLY IMPORTANT AND SOME OF THEM ARE JUST IMPORTANT TO THAT ONE CONSTITUENT. I APPRECIATE JAY YOU BEING PROMPT ADDRESSING THAT. WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: MAYOR, I CAN ADD TO THAT.

THAT IS IMPORTANT AND NICK, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT YOU PUT INTO KEEPING US UPDATED. THAT IS IMPORTANT.

I KNOW THERE IS A TIME IN LIFE WHERE PROBABLY SOME IN STAFF ON THE COMMISSION DIDN'T FEEL LIKE THEY WERE GETTING ALL THE INFORMATION. IT IS VERY CLEAR.

IT IS VERY CONCISE. HERE IT IS.

AND IT GOES TO EVERYONE. WE SEE IT GOES TO EVERYONE OPINION THAT IS IMPORTANT. I APPRECIATE THAT.

I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATIONS WHERE WE HAVE OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IDEAS OR IDEAS WE COME WITH ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE WORK YEAR.

WE HAVE TO MOVE AND ADJUST AND YOU ARE GREAT AT ACCOMMODATING THOSE SITUATIONS. AS FAR AS THE TECHNOLOGY WE TALKED ABOUT. EVERY DAY IS SOMETHING NEW IN TECHNOLOGY AND I CONTINUE TO ASK AND YOU ADDRESS IT.

IDENTIFYING WAYS, MEANS AND METHODS TO IMPROVE AT CITY HALL WITH TECHNOLOGY. NOT JUST DEVICES UP HERE.

AND THE ENTIRE STAFF. I WANT STAFF TO BE MOST EFFICIENT, RIGHT YOU CAN GET US ITS INFORMATION TO MAKE DECISIONS. KEEPING US DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS IS CRITICAL AND I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT YOU TAKE NOTE OF IT AND WORK WITH YOUR STAFF IN GETTING THAT DONE I APPRECIATE THE FACT OFF CHANGE.

>> OVER AND YOU CITIZEN TO A LEAD WITH DIRECTION AND PURPOSE WITHOUT THE CHANGES IN YOUR LEADERSHIP TEAM SO JUST CONTINUE TO DO THE BEST YOU CAN AND GET THOSE JOB POSTS OUT THERE WHEN YOU CAN ONE THING I WILL SAY. NOT A LOT OF ROCKET SCIENCE AND GET FOLKS BACK TO WORK AND WORKING HERE UNDER YOUR LEADERSHIP TEAM, YOUR DIRECTORSHIP.

ANYWAY, GOOD REPORT. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT, COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: YOU ARE MY THIRD CITY MANAGER SINCE I HAVE TAKEN OFFICE AND I HAVE SOMETHING TO COMPARE TO SINCE THE OTHER TWO AREN'T HERE. BUT I WILL SAY THAT YOUR SUCCESS I THINK IS YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL SKILLS AND YOUR COMMUNICATION SKILLS. I KNOW OUR REAL BUSY GUY, AND I THINK THAT YOU JUST WORK FOR ME SOMETIMES BUT DO YOU A REALLY GOOD JOB OF COMMUNICATING WITH THE REST OF THE COMMISSION.

AND BY DOING THAT, I FEEL MORE INFORMED ALL THE TIME.

NOT NECESSARILY ABOUT WHY THEY THINK BUT MORE DIRECTION OF WHERE THE CITY IS GOING. YOU NOTIFY ME OF PROBLEMS THAT ARE GOING TO HAPPEN MAYBE FIVE, SIX MONTHS FROM NOW THAT HELPS

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BUT I WILL SAY THAT NEVER HAD THAT BEFORE.

WITH ANY OTHER CITY MANAGER. YOU ARE UNIQUE ON THAT, NICK.

I THINK THAT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE BOUGHT INTO THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS IS YOUR HOME. AND THE OTHERS DID NOT.

AND IT IS REALLY RARE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, RARE FOR THE CITY MANAGER STAYS TO THE SAME AREA FOR FOUR TO FIVE YEARS. THEY ARE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND ABLE TO KEEP THEIR COMMISSIONERS WHICH IS SOMETIMES LIKE HERDING CATS, BUT THEY -- YOU KEEP THEM ALL ON LINE AND MAKE SURE THEIR THEY HAVE THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOB AND I FEEL TOTALLY CONFIDENT I HAVE ALL THE TOOLS I NEED.

GOOD JOB ON THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WHO WOULD LIKE

TO GO NEXT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WILL.

MR. MIMS, THANK YOU. I WILL START OFF BY SAYING THAT, YES, YOU HAVE THE CAT WHI R WHISPERER, CAT HERDER RESPONSIBILITY TO HERD ALL THE CATS UP HERE.

YOU DO A GREAT JOB. WE HAVE OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH A YOU. VERY REWARDING.

SOME DAYS I COME, YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT I TAKE WITH THAT CONVERSATION. AND WE HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE OPINION TOGETHER WE HAVE TACKLED SOME THINGS AND HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS. I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU FOR INVESTING IN YOUR STAFF. I KNOW RECENTLY YOU HAVE CON SOME THINGS WITH YOUR LEADERSHIP TEAM TO LOOK AT MORALE.

CONTINUE TO INVEST IN THEIR LEADERSHIP CAPABILITIES AND COMPETENCY AND IMPORTANT. YOU ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOUR STAFF AROUND YOU AND FOR YOU TO BE LOOKING AT INDICATORS AND HOW CAN YOU GET BETTER BY GETTING YOUR STAFF BETTER BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT THE EFFORTS THAT WE THROW OUT TO YOU AND YOU CHANNEL DOWN TO THEM. SO THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU CONTINUE TO RECOGNIZE THAT. THANK YOU FOR THE CHANGES YOU HAVE MADE TO -- TO BE MORE COMMUNICATIVE TO US.

AND THROUGH THE NOTES THAT WE GET ON THE UPDATES OF PROJECTS.

THAT HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SEE INITIALLY AND TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW CERTAIN PROJECTS ARE AND TRACKING AND VERY HELPFUL.

I MAY NOT GET IN THE WINGS, AND GIVES ME IDEA AND AS I AM HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. WHAT IS THIS.

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. I AM ABLE TO BE MORE INFORMED WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND MUCH LIKE I SHARED WITH MISS COX.

I CHALLENGE YOU AS THINGS CONTINUE TO EVOLVE, YOU ARE GOING TO CONFERENCES AS OUR CITY MANAGER AND UNDERSTAND THE HORIZON. WHAT IS COMING.

SHARE THOSE THINGS WITH US SO THAT WE CAN BE BETTER INFORMED POLICYMAKERS TRYING TO ANTICIPATE THAT.

SO THAT IS THE GENERAL CHALLENGE FOR ALL OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS HERE IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AS A CITY MANAGER AND I WILL WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, FEELING AND HEARING OUT THERE. WE ARE COMING OUT OF THIS PANDEMIC. RIGHT NOW WORK FORCE MORALE IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE MAKING SURE WE ARE ADDRESSING AND TLKED ABOUT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORT OF STAFF SURROUND YOU. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. GAINES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: MR. MIMS, THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT I AM READY FOR BOARD MEETINGS AND CONSENT AGENDA MEETINGS.

OUR MEETINGS HAVE BEEN REAL PRODUCTIVE.

AND IT IS A JOKE GOING BETWEEN ME AND YOU TO START READING EVERYTHING, BUT YOU KNOW EVERYTHING YOU SEND ME I READ.

I READ EVERYTHING THAT I GET. I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU BECAUSE I HAD CERTAIN COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS AND IN DISTRICT ONE.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT LAST WEEK, MADAM MAYOR, WAS THE LIGHTING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YEP. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND LIGHTING AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE. I LOOK FORWARD TO -- TO CONTINUE WORKING WITH YOU. AND AS EVERYBODY ELSE SAID, YOU KNOW, YOUR HEART IS IN FORT PIERCE BECAUSE YOU ARE BORN AND RAISED IN FORT PIERCE. SO IT MATTERS TO YOU JUST LIKE IT MATTERS TO US UP HERE. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU

CONTINUE YOUR GOOD WORK. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

IS THAT EVERYBODY? THANK YOU.

WE WILL MOVE ON. DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING?

>>NICK MIMMS: SURE. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND ALSO YOUR INPUT AND CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.

I WILL SAY THAT YOU GOT A TREMENDOUS TEAM HERE WITH YOUR CHARTER OFFICERS AND STAFF. BUT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO REINVEST IN OUR STAFF. AND YOUR OFFICERS.

IT HAS TO BE CONTINUAL BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING -- WE ARE SEEING

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WE ARE SEEING ISSUE WITH STAFF. -- WE ARE STRESS.

AND EVERYTHING THAT COPE YOU ENGAGED.

THIS IS THE BEST COMMISSION I EVER SEEN IN FORT PIERCE.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ALL DO. A GREAT PLEASURE AND GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME PERSONALLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[i. Six-month probationary performance evaluation of Tanya Earley, City Attorney]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: LET'S MOVE ON. >> NEXT WE HAVE THE SIX-MONTH PROBATIONARY PERFORMANCE EVALUATION OF OUR CITY ATTORNEY,

TANYA EARLEY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WILL START AND SATAN I CAN'T, I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK ETHIC AND HARD WORK.

I KNOW YOU ARE IN THERE WORKING ALL THE TIME.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL WHAT YOU DID WITH KINGS LANDING.

YOU HAD DIFFICULT THINGS AND I AM APPRECIATIVE HOW YOU APPROACHING THE FORECLOSURE ISSUE.

AND I KNOW WE HAD CITY ATTORNEYS BEFORE WHO -- WHO WERE TIMID ABOUT THAT, AND NOT THAT YOU ARE AGGRESSIVE, IT IS JUST YOU ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT YOUR COMMISSION HAS TOLD TO YOU.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND.

I APPRECIATE YOUR WORKING STYLE. EVERY CITY ATTORNEY HAS A ST.

DIFFERENT STYLE. EVERY CITY CLERK AND CITY MANAGER. I AM APPRECIATIVE OF YOUR WORK ETHIC AND RESPONSIVENESS AND THE SERIOUSNESS THAT YOU LIKE TO APPROACH YOUR JOB. WHO WILL GO NEXT.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: GUILT. MISS EARLEY, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAVE.

IT IS ALWAYS GOOD AND I DON'T MEAN THIS IN DISRESPECT TO OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, BUT ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER LEGAL MIND IN THE ROOM WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING. BECAUSE WE SEE STUFF DIFFERENT REGARDING WHAT WE HAVE. WE JUST SEE STUFF DIFFERENT.

AND IT IS GOOD TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS THAT I CAN GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY -- I CAN HAVE DISCUSSIONS AND SAY, HEY, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS. SHE IS -- I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO SAY THAT BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAID IN THE COMMISSION MEETING.

I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE THINKING. JUST THANK YOU.

BEEN HERE A LITTLE TIME FOR MYSELF ALSO, AND I AM JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE JUST TO MAKE FORT PIERCE NOT ONLY A BETTER CITY WITH POLICY AND PROCEDURES BUT BY WHAT WE DO ON THE LEGAL SIDE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT?

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MISS EARLEY, TWIPT SAY THANK U YOU. YOU ARE THE SECOND ATTORNEY I GOT TO KNOW. OUR WORKING RELATIONSHIP IS GREAT. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO OUR WEEKLY ENGAGEMENTS. YOU KNOW, YOUR UNDERSTANDING AND COMMAND OF THE LAW IS CERTAINLY UNDERSTOOD AND OFF GREAT COMMAND AND GREAT TEMPERAMENT HOW YOU APPROACH.

I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU ON SHARING UP YOUR OFFICE AND THE HIRE YOU MADE TO BEGIN TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT EXPERTISE IN HOUSE TO DEAL WITH THINGS AND ALSO HOW YOU ARE MANAGING THE OVERALL I HAVE A APPROACH TO OUR LEGAL BUDGETS AND USING OUTSIDE COUNCIL ON -- COUNSEL ON CERTAIN THINGS.

I WILL ADD FROM A LEGAL PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I WELCOME THAT YOU WILL LOOK FORWARD TO LOOKING ON THE HOARDS AND PUTTING THINGS AND ANTICIPATE THINGS AND BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION SO WE CAN BE BETTER INFORMED POLICYMAKING BODY UP HERE YOU GO TO THE LAW COLLEAGUES ACROSS THE STATE.

I ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE THAT AND DO MORE OF IT.

LIKE I SAID TO MISS COX AND MR. MIMS. MAKE AWARE THAT WE DO THAT THROUGH OUR CITY COMMISSION MEETING. APPRECIATE IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHO IS NEXT? OKAY, COMMISSIONER.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WAS SHOCKED TO READ THAT YOU WERE ON PROBATION FOR PERFORMANCE. I WAS ALREADY ALL IN.

JUST SOMETHING I DIDN'T IMAGINE. YOU HAVE THE DISTINCTION OF TELLING ME NO MORE THAN EVERYTHING ELSE THIS YEAR SO FAR. ANY TIME I ASK HER A QUESTION, CAN I? SHE SAYS NO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: HIRED THE RIGHT PERSON.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: HIRED THE RIGHT PERSON DEFINITELY.

IF YOU ANY OF THE HIRES THIS COMMISSION HAS MADE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, FINALLY WE GOT IT RIGHT.

I THINK HAVING GOOD FIT AND GOOD TEAM IS ALL ABOUT -- YOU CAN HAVE A GOOD CITY MANAGER AND THE REST COULD NOT BE THERE, BUT WITH TANYA AS THE -- SORRY, MISS EARLEY AS THE THIRD PART OF THE TEAM, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE A COMPLETE SET.

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LET'S GET IT DONE. LET'S GET IT OFF MY DESK.

AND LET'S MOVE FORWARD. THAT IS SO ANTI -- ANTI- Y ANTI-ATTORNEY. ANYWAY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHO IS NEXT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: I APPRECIATE THE EFFICIENCY. TELLS YOU NO.

N-O. TWO LETTERS.

WAY MORE EFFICIENT. I DON'T -- DON'T ANSWER.

I WILL ASK YOU LATER. EVERYTHING YOU DREAMED OF.

SIX MONTHS IN AND DIDN'T KNOW YOU WOULD BE SITTING IN THIS SEAT, BUT YOU HAVE DONE A SUPERB JOB AT EVERY ASPECTS OF THE CHALLENGES THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS FACED SINCE YOU HAVE BEEN IN THAT SEAT AND I AM GLAD YOU ARE IN THAT SEAT AND MOVING FORWARD AND YOU ARE VERY DIRECT AND FRANK ABOUT THE SITUATION.

YOU ARE VERY GOOD OF ANSWERING THE QUESTION THAT IS ASKED WITHOUT ALL THE EXTERNAL FACTORS BECOMING A FACTOR BECAUSE I CAN TELL FROM YOU THIS SEAT, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

WE NEED THAT. WE HAVE GOT LEFT SIDE BRAINS UP HERE AND RIGHT SIDE BRAINS UP HERE.

AND YOU BALANCE THAT OUT VERY WELL WITH YOUR ANSWERS AND YOUR -- AND YOUR -- ACTUALLY YOUR LEGAL PROFESSIONALISM.

I APPRECIATE IT AND I SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT AND CONGRATULATIONS THAT YOU MADE IT THIS FAR, AND I HOPE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO ASPIRE FOR GREATNESS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FOR MANY YEARS. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY.

>> TANYA EARLEY: MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU.

THE SIX MONTHS HAVE FLOWN BY. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY. I LISTENED TO EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID THIS MORNING. AND ANY -- ANY ASPECTS THAT YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS I HAVE TAKEN THOSE TO HEART AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO EXECUTE. THANK YOU.

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. OKAY.

>> NEXT WE MOVE ON TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: NOW TIME FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

SPEAKER ALSO HAVE THREE MINUTES. MISS COX WILL GIVE YOU A TH THREE-MINUTE -- THREE-SECOND WARNING AND STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS AS YOU BEGIN. >> GOOD EVENING, REGULAR CITY OF FORT PIERCE RESIDENT. SIX MONTHSING A AND THIS COMMISSION ADDRESSED AND ONLY PERSON WHO WASN'T THERE NOW WAS COMMISSIONER GAINES. BUT A DISCUSSION DOING AWAY FROM -- IN THE DISTRICT. ANYTHING THAT HIT ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I SAT THERE AND WATCHED THE MEETING AND COMMISSIONER PERONA TOOK THE STRONGEST POSITION IN TERM OF ADVOCACY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS STILL YOU IN THE PLACE. NEVERTHELESS, IT COME BACK TO HAUNT US ALL OVER AGAIN UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE CENSUS.

CENSUS ACCOUNT. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN AND HEARD INDIVIDUALS COME HERE AND SAYS IT DATA DRIVEN.

ACCORDING TO THE 2020 CENSUS, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAS 2 47,297 RESIDENTS, 15,645 WHICH ARE WHITE.

11,600 HISPANIC, 19,340 WHICH ARE BLACK.

THE PROPOSED PLAN SAY THERE ARE 47,408 RESIDENTS, $18069 WHITE.

11622 WHICH ARE HISPANIC AND 18267 THAT ARE BLACK.

GIVEN THE NOMINAL ANNEXATIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, I FIND THAT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE BECAUSE WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO A SURPLUS OF CLOSE TO 3,000 WHITE INDIVIDUALS AND LESS THAN 1,000 BLACK INDIVIDUALS.

NOW THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR DAY-DRIVEN PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING AND FOR YOU BECAUSE, FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS LEGISLATION IN PLACE THAT WAS YOU IN THE PLACE IN THE CASE OF CORBIN VERSUS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND RULING WITH THIS COMMISSION AT THE TIME WAS HAVING A PROBLEM WITH ELECTING MINORITIES AND MAKING SURE THAT THE DISTRICTS WERE DRAWN THAT THERE WAS A MINORITY ELECTED BY THE NORTHWEST SECTION. IN LIFE AFOREMENTIONED, I WOULD

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RACIALLY POLARIZED VOTING REPORT, AND A PERCENT OF BLACK PRIMARY VOTERS TO BE CONSIDERED AND GENERAL ELECTION TO BE CONSIDERED FOR ELECTION DAY FOR THE PREVIOUS THREE YEARS AS FAR AS DISTRICT ONE IS CONCERNED TO GIVE THE PUBLIC A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHETHER OR NOT IT IS RIGHT TO GO BACK AND REVAMP THE SINGLE DISTRICT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAJORITY HAS ACCESS TO THAT SEAT. THANK YOU.

AND I AM GOING TO LEAVE THIS WITH THE CLERK.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, R SIR.

WHO IS NEXT. MR. MATTHEWS, WELCOME.

>> I COME TO THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING I SEE -- STILL EXISTING.

MADAM MAYOR, MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, I'M HERE TODAY TO AND HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS AND PARTICIPATED AT ONE.

BUT THE THING THAT COMES TO ME OF THE DECISIONS BEING MADE.

YOU LOOK AT THE INFORMATION THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSION CALLED AN EMERGENCY MEETING OF YOURSELVES WITH THE ATTORNEY AND LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DRAWING OF THE LANDS.

YOU LOOK AT THE LANDS YOU DRAWN ON, YOU BARELY DEFEAT WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. YOU HAVE RIGHT SERVICES THAT DON'T WANT TO BE IN DISTRICT E ONE.

BLACK CITIZENS WHO DON'T WANT TO MOVE TO ANOTHER CATEGORY.

THE TURMOIL OF THE CONSULTANT FOR THE OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, I WOULD URGE TO YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY MEETING AMONG YOURSELVES AND IN YOUR LEGAL ADVISORS TO TALK.

THE OTHER THING I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GET TIED UP IN A LITIGATION THAT DONE MAKE SENSE.

IF YOU DON'T MOVE FORWARD TRYING TO JUSTIFY WHAT THEY CALL " T "RIGHT." AND I AM GLAD I DIDN'T GO TO LYNN CAN PARK ACADEMY AND TAUGHT US TO DO RIGHT.

THE FAIRNESS IS THAT THE COMMON SENSE WHEN YOU BRING IN A GROUP OF CITIZENS INTO THE DISTRICT, YOU ARE GOING TO DILUTE WHAT WE WERE NOT TRYING TO DO WHEN THEY VERSUS THE CITY SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICT HEARING. I WANT TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE TIME MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS AND BEFORE ANY LEGAL ACTION GO FORWARD, YOU DON'T WANT THAT BLACKOUT ON THE CITY AS IT IS NOT BEING FAIR.

TRYING TO BE FAIR, BUT THE UNFAIRNESS KOOMTION IN WHEN YOU KNOW THAT -- COMES IN THAT YOU KNOW A LONG STRUGGLE TO GET INVOLVED AND DILUTING IT LANDS AND OTHER WAYS TO GET DONE IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE HEARINGS AND CODE DOCUMENTS.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, GOOD AFTERNOON.

NOT A STRANGER HERE. BUT FOR THE RECORD I WILL SAY MY NAME MINISTER MARIO WILCOX, 5227 OAKLAND LAKE, CIRCLE, BEAUTIFUL FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, 3 495 1. I COME UP HERE SEVERAL TIMES, EVEN IN THE PAST WHERE MY GOD FATHER LATE COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. I ALWAYS ADDRESS WHAT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE FOR EVERYONE. I AM NOT FOR ONE PERSON HAVING PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT OFFER ONE CULTURE.

LIKE I SAID MY MILITARY SERVICE, I FOUGHT FOR ALL OF OUR RIGHTS.

I DO BELIEVE IN A CONCEPT OF ONE FORT PIERCE, HOWEVER, WHAT IS FAIR AND EQUITABLE. WHAT IS NOT FAIR AND EQUITABLE IS DILUTION OF ANYBODY'S VOTER STRENGTH.

BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK OF GERRYMANDERING -- AND I AM -- I WAS GOING TO SPEAK OF THE FEDERAL COURT CONSENT DECISION, BUT MR. SESSIONS AND MR. FRANK ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT, BUT WHEN YOU TALK OF DILUTATION GOES INTO GERRYMANDERING.

GERRYMANDER ASKING COME IN MANY FORMS. IT CAN -- GER MANDERING CAN COME IN MANY FORMS.

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ACROSS THE STREET DISTRICT TWO. ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE.

I CANVAS THE AREA. IF I WERE YOUR OPPONENT, I WOULD ARGUE THE FACT THAT YOU WANT THAT AREA ANNEXED BECAUSE THAT GO GIVE YOU A POLITICAL ADVANTAGE AS INCUMBENT OVER ME.

THAT IS WHAT WE TALL POLITICAL GERRYMANDERING.

MANY DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COME BACK AND REVISIT. I DON'T LIKE A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT. I AM A FISCAL CONSERVATIVE.

WE PAID THE CONSULTANT. WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A CITIZEN BOARD. WE SHOULD HAVE GAUGED A CITIZEN AND HAVE A REDISTRICTING COMMISSION FORMED BY THE CITIZENS OF THIS AND THE OUTSIDER, NO DISRESPECT TO HIM HAD LEGAL ISSUES AS WELL. AND BE IT AS THEY MAY, AT THIS POINT. STANDING HERE ASKING FOR YOU TO RECONSIDER. GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED.

LET'S NOT SQUANDER OUR TAX DOLLARS.

BETTER THINGS WE CAN DO WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS THAN A SQUANDER AND PAYING OUT A LAWSUIT THAT CAN BE PREVENTED.

THANK YOU. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

>> NEXT WE HAVE CITY COMMISSION BOARD AND COMMITTEE UPDATES.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: A VOLUNTEER TO GO FIRST?

COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: ALL RIGHT, BOARD, WITH THE TREASURE COAST COUNCIL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. WE MET LAST WEEK.

MY UPDATE FROM THAT BOARD IS WE ARE STILL TRYING TO PERSUADE THE GOVERNOR NOT TO SIGN SOME OF THE BILLS THAT IS ON HIS DESK, SPECIFICALLY SENATE BILL 620. LAST WEEK HE HAS NOT, BUT WE ARE MONITORING THAT BILL BECAUSE THAT BILL WILL BE THE BILL THAT COMES BACK TO -- THAT WE WILL HAVE TOE DEAL WITH, AND, AGAIN, FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE REST OF MY BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT THAT BILL IS BASICALLY SAYING IS THAT WE CREATE AN ORDINANCE AND BUSINESS CAN JUSTIFY THEY HAVE BEEN HURT BY 15% OF THEIR PROFITS BECAUSE BECAUSE OF ORDINANCE, THEY CAN COME AND BACK SUE US FOR SEVEN YEARS OF PROFITS. AND IT TAKES SOME OF OUR HOME RULE AWAY. THE LETTERS THAT ARE STILL GOING TO GOVERNOR DESANTIS, HE DOESN'T SIGN IT.

NEXT ONE WAS THE HOMELESS TASK FORCE.

THEY MET LAST FRIDAY. I WAS OUT OF TIME LAST FRIDAY, AND MR. MIMS SOMEONE STAND IN FOR ME.

I KNOW THAT THE LAST MEETING, WE WERE GOING TO ANOTHER TOWN HALL MEETING IN FORT PIERCE AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO GIVE FEEDBACK OF WHAT EVERYONE WANTED THAT TASK FORCE -- THAT TASK FORCE TO DO. I KNOW WE HAVE TO FILE A -- NOT TO FILE, BUT WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BY JUNE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE FOUND AND THEY WILL MAKE A DECISION IF WE ARE GOING TO BE A FORMAL BOARD OR INFORMATION. BIG THINGS CAME OUT OF THAT BOARD. STILL AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

FOR SOME REASON, THE CITY OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS IN THE BULLS-EYE. WE HAVE DONE A LOT AND FOR SOME REASON WE ARE IN THE BULLS EYE. EVERY TIME I WEAR THE FORT PIERCE, IT IS LIKE I HAVE THE PAINTER PAINT ON MY BACK WELL BULLS-EYE. THAT IS FINE AND WE ASK THE QUESTIONS. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE ON THIS.

THE COUNCIL ON AGING, WITH WE HAD A MEETING.

THEY ARE MOVING RIGHT WELL. EVERYBODY IS GOING WELL WITH THAT. LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET, THEY COMPLETED THEIR QUESTIONNAIRE. 3,000 QUESTION NEARS TO THE REST DENT OF LINCOLN PACK ASKING OF THE ORGANIZATION AND ASKING WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE AND THEY ARE GOING OVER AND TALEING THE QUESTION NEARS NOW TO PERFORM A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT I TOLD THEM I LIKE THE IDEA THAT THEY DID GOING FORWARD.

ONCE WE HAVE THAT, I WILL AND FORWARD THAT TO THE BOARD.

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THAT IS MY UPDATE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANYBODY VOLUNTEER TO GO NEXT. COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL BE REAL QUICK.

YOU STOOD IN FOR ME AT THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL COUNCIL.

I AM SURE YOU ENJOYED THAT MEETING.

BUT REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH FOR BOARDS.

WE HAD THE TBO BOARD MEETING LAST WEEK AND WE GOT INTO A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS.

I THINK YOUR T PO BOARD IS TRYING TO BE RESPONSIVE.

LOOK TOGETHER NORTH AND SOUTH AND HOW WE LOOK AT PROJECTS AND FUNDING AND SUPPORT OF THOSE, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THAT BOARD IS PROBABLY THE MOST PROMINENT THING WE GOT TO TACKLE TO THAT AS WE LOOK TO GET FUNDING MOVED UP AND FDOT EYES AND OTHER PEOPLE'S EYES, NEED THE CONSENSUS BUILDING OF TREASURE COAST ALLIANCE. IT IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.

WE ARE THROUGH SOME PAINS THERE. LET'S SEE THE ROUNDTABLE.

REPORTING FROM THERE. WET A COUPLE OF TESTIMONY F FACE-TO-FACE MEETS AND THE BIGGEST THING THERE IS TO EEE EVALUATE PROGRAMMING THE NUMBER OF SERVICES THERE.

THE IGNITE PROGRAM. A LOT OF CONVERSATION GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR PROGRAMMING FOR THAT GOING FORWARD FIRE BOARD WE HAVE COMING OUT. YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED FIRE FIGHTER DEDICATION STATION. AND LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU GUYS TO THAT. I THINK THAT IS COMING UP PRETTY SOON AND LAST PART I WANT TO ADD AND NOT SURE IF IT IS PART OF THE BOARD, BUT MR. MIMS, THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

IT HAS BEEN PREPARED AND HAS IT BEEN WIDELY CIRCULATED YET?

>>NICK MIMMS: OUR STRAW TJ RICK PLAN HAS A FINAL REPORT DONE BY MR. -- OH, MY GOSH -- WHAT IS HIS NAME.

LYLE -- LYLE SUMAC. AND WE HAVE PLACED THAT ON OUR CITY WEB SITE AND WE HAVE A WORKING DOCUMENT THAT IS OUR WORKING ACTION PLAN THAT WE ALSO PLACE AND WE HAVE AN UPDATE IN THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND ON THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING AS WELL. WHEN YOU SAY CIRCULATING.

WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR? >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GET THE STRATEGIC PLAN FROM PORT ST. LUCIE.

I KNOW NOT THE PHYSICAL ASPECT OF PRINTING IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE WIDE CIRCULATION OF THAT DOCUMENT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. I HAD TALKS OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION I AM PART OF, NOT A PART TIME GOING BY.

WE ARE ALL SAYING THE SAME T G THING.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT IS PART OF THE PLAN.

FOR THE COMMUNITY TO LINE OUR RESOURCES TO A STRATEGIC PLAN, IT WILL BE HELPFUL IT GOT OUT THAT WAY.

I KNOW IT IS ON THE WEB SITE BUT THE STRATEGIC E-MAILING OF THE PDF TO OUR FAITH-BASED, GREEK LEVEL ORGANIZATIONS, TO OUR COUNTY OFFICIALS, TO OUR SOUTHERN CITY OFFICIALS, JUST SO THAT WE CAN AT LEAST SHARE WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WE HAVE PUT IN WRITING THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR.

>>NICK MIMMS: YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY PLAN.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: TALKING OF THE AN UTILITY REPORT.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: TALKING OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A STRATEGIC PLAN FOR PORT

ST. LUCIE. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: RIGHT. I THINK THE ALIGNMENT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTANDING IN OUR COMMUNITY OUR TRA STRATEGIC PLAN.

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ADOPTING ROADS AND DOING DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY AND THING WILL ONLY FUEL THE ENTHUSIASM OF WHAT WE ARE DOING AND THE CLEANUP OF CORRIDORS.

A NUMBER OF ORGANIZATIONS TALKING ABOUT THAT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WE ARE STRATEGICALLY ALIGN AND IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS AS WELL.

>> YES, SIR, THE VERY EASIEST THING WE CAN DO A PRESS RELEASE WITH A LINK TO THE INFORMATION. THE PDF WILL PROBABLY BE TOO BIG BECAUSE A LOT OF STUFF IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GOVERN WHAT.

>> THAT ACTION WORKING DOCUMENT CAN BE SPENT AS A PDF AND

IMPORTANT FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. A LINK FOR A PRESS RELEASE AND WE CAN FORWARD IT OUT. THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES ARE ON THE LIST THAT GET ALL THAT. I AM HOPING THAT WE KEEP OUR BOARDS -- ALL OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES INFORMED.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: TBO AND PROJECTS WE ARE LOOKING

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THOSE ORGANIZATIONS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: I ATTENDED THE FIRST MEETING AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY.

WHAT AN EYE-OPENER. JUST SOME FINANCIAL ISSUES GOING ON OBVIOUSLY. SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME THERE IS A NEED, ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY SHOWS UP AND MAKES A CONTRIBUTION AND SAVES THE DAY. BUT -- WE ARE LOOKING FOR SUSTAINABLE WAYS TO MOVE THAT FORWARD OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS.

IT'S COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, IT HAS BEEN VERY DIFFICULT.

THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE VERY, REIMAGINATIVE.

AND I AM SURE THAT WE WILL COME TO SOME CONCLUSIONS TO THAT AND HELP THE FUNDING EFFORTS. BUT IF YOU WERE LISTENING TO THIS, THE HUMANE SOCIETY -- SUNRISE HUMANE SOCIETY NEEDS HELP. ISSUES WITH BUILDING MAIN E MAINTENANCE. THE CITY HAS RESPONDED TO THOSE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. INTERESTING ENOUGH, WREN THEY FIRST STARTED ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND THE CITY BOTH WERE THE FIRST COMMUNITIES -- WERE THE ONLY COMMUNITIES, BUT THE COUNTY BROUGHT, LIKE, 57 ANIMALS THERE. THEY ACCEPTED THEM YET WHEN THEY LEFT THEY DIDN'T TAKE THE 57 ANIMALS WITH THEM, SO THEY ENDED UP WITH -- BUT JUST TALKING AS FAR AS COSTS GO, IT CREATED COSTS GOING ON. INTERESTING TO HEAR ABOUT THE DYNAMICS. MY LEARNING CURVE IS VERY DEEP.

I WILL SAY THERE ARE NO EIGHT HOUR DAYS AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY.

MORE LIKE 50-HOUR DAYS AND EVERYBODY JUST WORKS UNTIL THE WORK IS DONE. I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT TYPE OF DEDICATION IN A LONG TIME OF FOLKS THAT WILL JUST SERVICE AND BE A PART OF THE HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE ANIMALS AND THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES. I WILL SAY THAT IS IT ONE OF THE THING THAT I WALKED AWAY WITH. RETIREMENT.

WE HAVE -- OUR ACTUARIAL REPORT. BRAD ARMSTRONG WAS THERE IN PERSON WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM IN A COUPLE OF YEARS.

COUPLE INTERESTING CHANGES. ONE IS FORWARD LOOKING AT REVENUES AND MARKET, WE HAVE DECIDED TO ADOPT A 7.25 RATE OF RETURN. NOT TOO LONG AGO WE WERE AT 8.

AND FINDING OUT THAT AMERICA SOMEWHERE A AROUND 675.

YOU KNOW, JUST -- IN A HEALTHY RETIREMENT PLAN, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THOSE BACK STEPS JUST TOO MAKE SURE THEIR IN STEP WITH WHAT ACCOMPLISHMENTS YOU SEE ARE GOING TO HAPPEN.

WE DID HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT COLAS.

I DON'T WANT TO GET EVERYBODY UP AND GOING.

>> WHOA. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA: THREE ELEMENTS OUT THERE THAT HAVE TO -- HAVE TO ALIGN BEFORE WE CAN EVEN CONSIDER THAT. AND BASICALLY ALWAYS TWO OF M THEM. OUR MARKETS DO VERY WELL.

OUR FUND DID YOU SEE VERY WELL. AND JUST OUR LIABILITY IS STILL AROUND THAT $38 MILLION MARK. UNTIL THAT HAPPENS WE WON'T SEE A COLA. IN MY LIFETIME THERE PROBABLY WON'T BE ONE. HAVING SAID THAT, THE COMMITTEE DID COME UP WITH A CONVERSATION THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANNUALLY AND ASKED OUR ACTUARIAL TO COME UP AND OFFSET THAT. IF YOU THINK OF SOMEBODY THAT RETIRED 20 YEARS AGO, THEIR $1,000 IS WORTH ABOUT 280 RIGHT NOW JUST IN RELATIONSHIPS. SO WE DO WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THAT. IT WAS EASY NOR THE 12 YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE RETIREMENT BOARD TO SAY, NO, WE DID NOT MEET ANY THRESHOLDS AND SEEING IF THERE IS ANY OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO DO SO AND LITTLE COST TO THE PLAN AND WHAT THE PLAN CAN AFFORD AND A LIVELY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

NOT JUST NO ANYMORE. IT'S -- WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT. PARKING COMMITTEE.

WE HAD -- PRESENTATION FROM AN ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING COMPANY WHO WANTED TO COME INTO THE CITY AND FURTHER THESE UP AND WE LISTENED TO THE SPIEL AND BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, IT'S --

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IN FACT, ONE OF THE REPORTS THAT THEY PUT ON -- ON THEIR PRESENTATION WAS THAT IN 20. LOCAL VEHICLES WILL TAKE OVER GAS CARS AN PROBABLY WILL HAPPEN THE BEFORE THEN THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING NOW. THAT IS NOT THAT FAR OFF, FOLKS.

NOT FAR AT ALL. RIGHT NOW THE CALCULATION IS 2% OF OUR INVENTORY IN THE COMMUNITY IS EV.

AND SO REALLY TALKING ABOUT IT SDRUN REAL HIGH PRIORITY BUT THE PRIORITY WILL CHANGE AS TIME GOES ON.

TALKING OF THE PARKING GARAGE. THE WALKER CONSULTANT UPDATES WHICH IS COMING FORTH AND TALKED ABOUT -- LET'S SEE.

CITY HALL AND THE TEMPORARY PARKING SOLUTIONS THAT THE CITY HAS AND STRESSED THE WORD "TEMPORARY." KEEPING A FINGER ON THE POST. AND THIS THING WILL HAPPEN.

FINALLY FOR GIGGLES. THE JC PARK PLAYGROUND COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A DRAFT PROPOSAL.

WE ARE LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A PRESTIGE BUDGET THAT TAKES TWO DAYS TO GET OVER. BUT IT IS STILL WELL WITHIN IT BECAUSE WITH THE PANDEMIC, ALL PRICES WENT UP THROUGH -- NOT ONLY CONCRETE, BUT THEMILES-PER-HOUR IN PLACE RUBBERIZED MATERIAL HAS GONE THROUGH THE SKY AND A BIG COST OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLICE AND WE ARE SPOT ON AND GOING TO TRY TO HOLD ON TO THE SAME FOOTPRINT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE. THE UTILITY AUTHORITY IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TO BUILD, REBUILD THE SPLASH PADS.

WE SIT ON THE GRANT WE APPLIED FOR LAST WEEK.

WE SHOULD HAVE A SPIRITED MEETING TOMORROW ON OUR COMMITTEE. YOU ARE ALL WELCOME TO JOIN IF YOU WOULD LIKE. AND OUR FUND RAISING AND VOLUNTEER COORDINATORS WERE OUT THERE BAITING THE BUSH AND PICKED A PLATFORM AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR FOLKS TO GET ON.

I THINK IT IS A SIGN -- SIGN UP GENIUS IS THE PLATFORM WE ARE GOING TO TAKE AND BEING SET UP SO FOLKS CAN GET ON AND SIGN UP FOR HELPING OUT IN SOME WAY TO HELP PUT THIS INTO FRUITION.

THAT IS THAT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, JUST FOR THE RECORD. I DID ATTEND THE RETIREMENT BOARD AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER PERONA WOULD --

>> MAYOR HUDSON: AND YOU LEARN MORE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WILL TELL YOU THIS.

I WAS SURPRISED AT THE LAST RETIREMENT BOARD.

I SPOKE UP. EVERYBODY LOOKING AT ME AND SAID OH, HE IS -- BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR EVERYBODY LISTENING, I AM ON THE RETIREMENT BOARD AND I JUST ATTEND, BUT I LET COMMISSIONER PERONA DO HIS REPORT.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: YOU AND I, WE TWO TEAMED THEM.

THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES: WE DID.

>> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: INJURIES I THINK SO.

WE WILL START OFF WITH TRANSPORTATION, I GUESS AND I WILL JUST ELABORATE. EV IS AT REAL THING.

REAL DISCUSSION AT THE STATE LEVEL AND AT THE TBO AND, OF COURSE, WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE BIG QUESTIONS IS WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THEM. WHO WILL PAY FOR IT AND BY THE WAY, WHO WILL MAINTAIN IT AND PAY FOR THE ELECTRICITY.

THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR DISCUSSION POINTS, I BELIEVE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: EVERYBODY IS FOR IT BUT DOESN'T KNOW WHO WILL

PAY FOR IT. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: NOBODY KNOWS. THE GASOLINE TAX.

THIS IS FLORIDA. THE SUN COMES UP.

THE ASPHALT DETERIORATES. PEOPLE DRIVE ON IT AND 15, 20, 25 YEARS WE HAVE TO DO MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR.

SO A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION THERE AT THE TBO.

SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS AND THE WAY WE ARE FUNDED IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY IS UNIQUE. BUT BASED ON THE IDEA THAT IT IS ONLY 12 TO 14%. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER OWNED BY THE STATE THEIR ROADS ARE.

THEY ARE PAID MORE ATTENTION TO AND A BIGGER POPULATION.

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AND FOR CERTAIN GRANTS. AND MR. ED THROUGH THE DIS-- ADMINISTERED THROUGH OUR DISTRICT.

OUR DISTRICT. IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE AND WE ARE FIGHTING FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE CAN FIGHT FOR.

ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITHIN THE TPO AND A REAL THING AND I WANTED TO BRING IT UP. WE GAVE A LETTER OR WE AS A BOARD SUPPORT A LETTER FOR BRIGHT LINE TO APPY FOR AA G T GRANT. A LITTER OF SUPPORT THROUGH THE BOARD. YOU KNOW, IT IS REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION. SO WE SUPPORT THAT.

AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER THINGS LATER.

BUT THE ADVANCED AIR MOBILITY STUDY AND HAS TO DO WITH DROYNS AND DRONES AND DELIVERIES AND DELIVERY SYSTEMS. WE HAVE SO MANY WAREHOUSES AND SO MANY DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS BEING BUILT WITHIN OUR COM COMMUNITY.

BUT IT IS JUST PART OF THAT "WHAT IF"SCENARIO.

WHAT IF THESE MAJOR SUPPLIES AND RETAILERS BRING US TO? WHAT IS IT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DELIVER GOOD AND SERVICES? THEY TALK OF DRONES AND A REAL CONVERSATION. HARD TO BELIEVE BUT A REAL CONVERSATION. SO GET OFF THIS FOR A SECOND.

OR FOR TODAY. MAIN STREET.

MAIN STREET IS DOING WELL. OUR BUDGET IS OKAY.

WE ARE COMING BACK. WE HAVE DONE SOME CREATIVE THINGS WITH OUR BUDGET, BUT I DID WANT -- I DID WANT TO ASK AND MAKE SURE MR. MIMS, ARE WE DOING THE FOURTH OF JULY AS CITY. YOU ALREADY MADE STEPS BUT I

WANTED TO ASK TO MAKE SURE. >>NICK MIMMS: THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS THE NOT EVENT ORGANIZER AND I DO NOT BELIEVE I

RECEIVED FROM MAIN STREET. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: USUALLY YOU GIVE ME AN EMPHATIC YES, BUT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.

YOUR ANTICIPATION THAT YOU ARE GOING TO RECEIVE A LETTER.

>>NICK MIMMS: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON:

YOU ARE ANTICIPATING A LETTER. >>NICK MIMMS: I'M ANTICIPATING,

YES. >> COMMISSIONER JERMIAH JOHNSON: FOURTH OF JULY. VERY GOOD.

ANOTHER THING I NOTICED IN THE BUDGET WE WERE STRUGGLING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION OF THAT WHOLE OPPORTUNITY.

SO MAYBE YOU AND I CAN TALK ABOUT IT IF SOME COSTS BORN BY MAIN STREET. I PROMISE TO HAVE A COVERING.

LET'S SEE. WHAT ELSE IS HAPPENING.

TOURISM. TOURISM IS WEDNESDAY.

AND I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR. WE HAVE NEW PROJECTS FOR TOURISM PERFORMING IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT.

VISITOR TRACKING STUDY AND MARKET PERCEPTION STUDY.

TWO KEY ELEMENTS OF INFORMATION THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN FROM THE TOURISM COUNCIL THAT WILL TELL US A GOOD STORY ABOUT OUR CITY. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

NEW PROJECTS THEY ARE PROPOSING AND ASKING FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET MODIFICATIONS. OTHER THAN THAT, THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR TODAY. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. I AM GOING TO BE BRIEF.

I HAVE FAMILY WAITING FOR ME. I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO SAY ANY WAY. BUT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WILL HAVE ITS CONFERENCE IN AUGUST.

BUT ALSO MEETS MONTHLY AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS -- OUR JUNE MEETING IS WHEN WE GET OUR -- OUR HOME RULE HERO ATWHARDZ I UNDERSTAND CURTIS JOHNSON. OFF HOME RULE HERO AS WELL AS I DID. BUT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES WILL BE SENDING SOMEBODY TO THE JUNE MEETING TO GIVE US A LEGISLATIVE DEBRIEFING AND ALSO FOR THAT PURPOSE.

AND EVERYBODY HERE IS INVITED TO THAT LUNCHEON.

AND THE FMIT MET AND OUR INSURANCE COMPANY IS IN VERY GOOD SHAPE FOR AN INSURANCE COMPANY.

I KNOW YOU HEARD A LOT OF THE INSURANCE RATE FOR HOMEOWNERS, ETC. BUT THIS IS FOR OUR CITY AND GAVE AN APPROVAL AND AT OUR NEXT MEETING WE WILL HEAR WHAT THE NEW RATES WILL BE FOR CITIES. AND THE FIRE BOARD I THINK MEETS THIS WEDNESDAY, I THINK. THIS COMING WEDNESDAY AND I THINK -- AND I THINK -- OH, THE FPUA, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON THE RETIREMENT PLAN AT THE FPUA AN SOMETHING I ASKED FOR SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND THEY REGULARLY DO THAT.

THE FPUA BOARD SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE RETIREMENT PLAN LIKE WE

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>> COMMISSIONER PERONA: HE IS COMING HERE TO SPEAK TO US.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: HE IS? OKAY, GREAT.

THEY ARE MOVING ALONG ON ALL THE PROJECTS AND WE REVIEWED A LIST OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING CARRIED OVER AND MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. MIMS, THEY ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY IN TERMS -- SO WE MAKE SURE WE CAN DO PROJECTS TOGETHER SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TEARUP STREETS.

>>NICK MIMMS: YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE UA?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES. >>NICK MIMMS: ABSOLUTELY.

MAIN STREET AND 12TH STREET. A PRECURSOR TO THE RESURFACING OPINION WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY TOGETHER.

THEY HAVE A GREAT STAFF. AND COLLABORATION IS SECOND TO

NONE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GREAT, GREAT.

SPEAKING OF THAT, I WENT TO THE RIBBON CUTTING.

WELL ATTENDSOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

VERY GRATEFUL FOR THE POLICE SHOWING THEY HAVE THE K-9 DEMONSTRATION AND WE HAVE -- IT WAS A GOOD CELEBRATION.

I THINK THAT NEIGHBORHOODS IS REALLY LIKING MAINS COURT AND ALL THE ACTIVITY GOING ON THERE. SO GREAT JOB.

IF NOTHING ELSE, SHALL WE I JOURNEY BECAUSE ANOTHER MEETING COMING IN HERE. WE WILL BE LEAVING THE CHAMBERS AN

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