[b. Approval to contract with FPUA for the purchase and installation of street lighting along Avenue B from 13th Street to 8th Street at a cost not to exceed $79,373.93.]

>> MR. PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YEP. >> B IS APPROVAL TO CONTACT WITH FPUA FOR THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF STREET LIGHTING ALONG AVENUE B FROM 13TH STREET TO 8TH STREET AT A COST NOT TO

EXCEED 7,93$7,937,393. >> SAME QUESTION FOR THIS ONE. I'M JUST -- DO YOU HAVE A TIME FRAME ON WHEN WE APPROVE THIS, IF APPROVED, WHEN WE WILL HAVE TO BEGIN THIS?

>> B IS FOR THE STREET LIGHTS, WHICH WILL COME, YOU KNOW -- E IS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE

ROAD. >> RIGHT. >> THEY ARE READY TO GO.

PROBABLY -- FIRST APPROVAL, WE NEED TO DO THE PRECONSTRUCTION MEETING.

WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT TWO MONTHS BEFORE WE HAVE SHOVEL IN THE DIRT.

BOTH E AND B WILL BE THAT SAME TIME FRAME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHTY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE TWO?

>> YES, MA'AM. I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEMS B AND E.

>> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER KRFRPLT JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

[i. Acceptance of $10,000 donation from Carole L. Mushier for City of Fort Pierce South Beach Maintenance Fund.]

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> ITEM 11A ACCEPTANCE OF A $10,000 DONATION FOR THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE SOUTH BEACH MAINTENANCE FUND.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM. WHEN SOMEBODY CONTRIBUTES $10,000 AND WE PUT IT ON A CONSENT AGENDA, JUST DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT TO ME.

WE ARE APPRECIATIVE OF IT AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO GO FOR SPECIFIC UNDISCLOSED LITTLE PROJECTS. I THINK THEY'RE WELL WORTH IT. I THINK MORE SO, $10,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY, BUT WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE TIME AND EFFORT AND ALL THE GOOD THINGS CAROL MUSHIER DID. WE DID A PROCLAMATION FOR HER A WHILE BACK.

THE MONEY IS SMALL COMPARED TO ALL THE OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WENT FORWARD.

I WANTED TO PULL JUST TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE.

THANKS FOR THE MONEY. THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT.

YOU HAVE TO THANK FOLKS FOR THE MONEY. >> WE KNOW SHE WATCHES THE

MEETINGS. >> IN TROUBLE. >> SHE WATCHES IT.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. GOOD IDEA. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE DONE, ESPECIALLY, AND THE MONEY. >> I'D LIKE PERMISSION TO WRITE

A LETTER AND THANK HER. >> I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST. CAROL HAS MEANT A LOT OVER THE

YEARS AND SHE'S STILL DEDICATED AND WE THANK HER. >> I STILL HAVE NOT MET A PERSON WHO COULD REACH TO THE COUNTY, TO THE CITY TO, THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND GET AN AUDIENCE IMMEDIATELY ON ANY ISSUE THAT WAS GOING ON. THAT LADY HAS EARNED THAT RIGHT.

>> YEP. SHE DOESN'T TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM I. >> SECOND.

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>> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM.

[a. Ordinance 22-014 Amending Chapter 22, Section 22-32 to provide for a 5% increase in business tax fees for businesses, professions, or occupations. SECOND READING]

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> LEGISLATIVE PUBLIC HEARING ON 22.014 AMENDING CHAPTER 22 ARTICLE 2 BUSINESS TAX SECTION 22.32 TAX TO PROVIDE FOR 5% INCREASE IN BUSINESS TAX FEES FOR BUSINESSES, PROFESSIONS OR OCCUPATIONS AS CONTAINED IN REZ TKAOUGS -- AND PROVIDING FOR

EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE, I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL 22.014. >> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

[b. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 22-015: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida: Amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of a parcel generally located along the east side of South US Highway 1, approximately 250 feet South of Dickson Drive, from City of Fort Pierce General Commercial (GC) to City of Fort Pierce Medium Density Residential (RM); providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. FIRST READING]

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE HAVE ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE HEARING ON ORDINANCE 22.015. ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, AMENDING FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF A PARCEL GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1, APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET SOUTH OF DIXON DRIVE FROM THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE GENERAL COMMERCIAL GC TO CITY OF FORT PIERCE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RM, PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING

FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> ALL RIGHTY.

WHO IS PRESENTING TONIGHT? >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF YOU WOULD ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO DO A PRESENTATION BEFORE WE START.

THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE APPLICANT REQUESTING TO DO A PRESENTATION

BEFORE YOU. >> COMMISSIONER? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE PRESENTATION FOR ALL? >> THE APPLICANT WANTS TO DO A SEPARATE ONE. YOU HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT AFTERWARDS. >> ONE PRESENTATION BUT WE HAVE

SEVERAL DIFFERENT VOTES, IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> CORRECT. >> SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT. I WAS HOPING THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE CASE. AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, WE HAVE TWO

LEGISLATIVE AND ONE QUASI JUDICIAL. >> MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THIS MEETING LAST ANY LONGER THAN NECESSARY FOR ANYONE HERE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CREATE A GOOD RECORD THAT'S CLEAN AND TO THE EXTENT THAT IT DOES REQUIRE SOME REPETITION, I THINK WE NEED TO TREAT THESE AS THREE DIFFERENT AGENDA ITEMS AND HANDLE THEM

INDIVIDUALLY. >> SO HERE'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST.

ONE PRESENTATION PERIOD AND THEN HANDLE THE REST OF THEM WITHOUT ANY PRESENTATION.

>> ONLY PROBLEM IS THE THIRD ONE -- >> THIRD ONE IS QUASI JUDICIAL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MERGE THAT. >> I'M SORRY TO KEEP INTERRUPTING.

>> HELP ME OUT. >> IF WE'RE GOING TO COMBINE ANYTHING, I WOULD FEEL BETTER IF WE COMBINE THE TWO LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS AND LET THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING STAND ON ITS OWN SO IT'S CLEAR AS TO WHAT EVIDENCE IS COMING INTO RECORD FOR THE QUASI JUDICIAL.

>> CAN THE PRESENTATION WAIT UNTIL THE QUASI JUDICIAL? ALL RIGHT.

HOW ABOUT WE DO THAT? DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? >> ALL RIGHT.

>> WE'RE ALL RIGHT? >> GUESS WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GET THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO READ BOTH? OR ONE AT A TIME.

>> ONE AT A TIME. I THINK WE'RE BACK ON TRACK. DON'T THROW ME ANY MORE OF THOSE

CURVES. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. ORDINANCE 22-015. SUBJECT PROPERTY IS SAT THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH HIGHWAY 1, APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET SOUTH OF DICKSON DRIVE.

4.04 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE. GENERAL COMMERCIAL, FUTURE LAND USES MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

MAP SHOWING YOU WHAT IS EXISTING. APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST FOR THE

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FOLLOWING. THIS IS ONE OF FOUR PARCELS FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

IT ALREADY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF RM MEDIUM DENSITY. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH 125-136 OF CITY CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DOES NOT ADVERSARY AFFECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE. PLANNING BOARD AT THEIR MAY 9, 2022 MEETING VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. BEFORE YOU ARE ACTIONS BY THE CITY COMMISSION, APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT.

THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALL RIGHTY.

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DENNIS MURPHY.

WE ARE HERE THIS AFTERNOON REPRESENTING COLTER LAND DEVELOPMENT, OWNERS OF THAT PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF DICKSON DRIVE AND SOUTH U.S. 1.

MULTIPLE PARCELS. MAYOR, JUST TO KEEP THINGS NICE AND SIMPLE, WE'LL DO EACH PETITION ITEM, A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION ON THE LAND USE MATTERS.

PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD. THEN THE QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX

BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION AND RECORD CREATION REQUIREMENTS. >> GREAT.

I THINK WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BOAT THERE. >> DENNIS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE AREA MAP, PLEASE? ONE MORE BACK. THAT'S GOOD RIGHT THERE.

THIS IS A PETITION FOR CHANGE IN LAND USE FOR FOUR ACRE PARCEL OF LAND LOCATED, THE SECOND PARCEL DOWN FROM THE AFOREMENTIONED INTERSECTION OF DICKSON AND U.S. 1.

LAND USE LIES IS COMMERCIAL. WE'RE SEEKING A REDESIGNATION TO RESIDENTIAL TO TIE IT INTO OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WHICH WE WILL BE DISCUSSING WITH YOU LATER ON THIS EVENING.

WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE POLICIES AND THE GUIDANCE FOR SMALL LAND AMENDMENTS IN THE CITY.

WE RESPECTFULLY THAT YOU APPROVE THIS SMALL AREA LAND USE AMENDMENT AND ALLOW US TO PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEPS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS MATTER, I WILL TRY TO

ANSWER THEM. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS

ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> MAYOR HUDSON I'M DAVID BRIANER.

I REPRESENT THE TWO COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, ONE TO THE SOUTH AND ONE TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPOSED PRESERVE PROJECT. THAT'S THE MASTER ASSOCIATION, HIGH POINT NUMBER 2.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A SMALL PARCEL AND MY CLIENTS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HERE AND WANT TO BE HEARD ON THOSE ISSUES.

I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THE ASSOCIATION'S DEEP CONCERN OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL WHICH IS MAYBE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, ONE OF THE LAST UNDEVELOPED LARGE PARCELS OF LAND. CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE SOME IMPACT.

SOME MEMBERS OF MY ASSOCIATIONS HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT WE TAKE THIS PIECE MEAL INSTEAD OF PUTTING IT ALL IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE WE BELIEVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED PARTICULARLY REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL AND DRAINAGE, IN TRAFFIC AND THOSE AREAS. WE'RE HERE. ACTUALLY, I THINK SOME OF MY ASSOCIATION MEMBERS ARE HERE TONIGHT. YOU'LL HEAR THEM.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP A LOT OF TIME. THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONCERN EXPRESSED ON OUR PART THAT WE TAKE THIS PIECE MEAL. YOU'RE TAKING SOMETHING DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL AND SOMETHING OF A COMMERCIAL ZONE ON U.S. 1 AND YOU'RE CHANGING ITS USE TO RESIDENTIAL IN CONJUNCTION WITH A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT REALLY PERMITTED YET.

THOSE ARE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ALL RIGHT.

>> MY NAME IS --

WHERE DO YOU LIVE? >> HIGH POINT. I'M CONCERNED WITH THE WILD LIFE. NUMBER TWO THE AQUIFER. HOW MUCH MORE CAN WE SEND BEFORE THE LIME STONE COLLAPSES AND WE END UP WITH SINK HOLES? AND THE TRAFFIC THAT U.S. 1.

THOSE ARE MY BIGGEST CONCERNS. WILD LIFE NUMBER ONE AND THE AQUIFER NUMBER TWO.

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>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WE'RE ON THE THREE MINUTE RULE.

YES, MA'AM. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS GLADYS PARKER AND I LIVE AT HIGH POINT, 2019 AND 2020 WE FORMED A COMMITTEE TO ADDRESS SEVERAL PROBLEMS WITH THE WATER AT HIGH POINT. I HEADED THAT COMMITTEE. I HAVE TO SAY THAT WE ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM IF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES IN.

WE ARE ONE OF THE FEW CONDO COMMUNITIES TO HAVE A PUMP OPERATION.

EVEN THAT IS INADEQUATE AT TIMES. WE SIT IN THE ELEVATION OF THE WILD LIFE PRESERVE, WHICH RUNS ON OUR EAST BORDER. IT WOULD RUN ON THE EAST BORDER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE THE PRESERVE DOES NOT HAVE ITS OWN PUMPING OPERATION, WE GET THE RU RUNOFF.

THIS DEVELOPMENT, DEPENDING ON WHAT ELEVATION IT IS BUILT ON WOULD PROBABLY EXPERIENCE SOME OF THAT. IF IT'S HIGH ENOUGH, WE WOULD GET RUN OFF FROM WILD LIFE PRESERVE AND THE DEVELOPMENT. SO WE ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE I HAD WORKED WITH THE SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT WATER DEPARTMENT WHEN WE WERE ADDRESSING OUR PROBLEMS, I CONTACTED THEM THIS LAST WEEK. THEY STATED THAT THE OWNERS OF THAT PROPOSED PROPERTY HAVE NOT YET APPLIED FOR A PERMIT FROM THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT SO THEY CAN'T COMMENT ON ANYTHING UNTIL THAT IS DONE. OUR SECOND CONCERN, AS ONE OF OUR RESIDENTS MENTIONED, IS THE TRAFFIC. MAYOR HUDSON WAS AT OUR VETERANS PROGRAM. FIRST WORDS WERE, WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET A STOP LIGHT? RIGHT NOW IF YOU WAIT LONG ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY TURNING LEFT, THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE BREAK BECAUSE OF THE STOP LIGHT AT FARMERS MARKET ROAD, WHICH IS THE OTHER SIDE OF DICKSON.

IF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH AND THEIR PROPOSED ACCESS TO U.S. 1 IS BETWEEN DICKSON AND EDWARDS ROAD, THEN WE LOSE THAT BREAK. THAT IS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

IN ADDITION TO THE CONCERNS THAT SHE HAS. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PROTECTION AGAINST DRAINAGE AND THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONTROVERSY OVER WHERE THAT WILL BE PLACED. IN ANY CASE, WE ARE EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE MOST OF THE STANDING WATER ON THE SOUTHEAST AND NORTH BORDERS OF HIGH POINT --

>> YOU HAVE TO WRAP IT UP. >> ARE CATCH BASINS. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WANT TO GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT.

DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED?

>> MADAM MAYOR, I BELIEVE MOST OF THE COMMENTS CAN BE MORE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED DURING THE REVIEW ITEM AND NOT THE LAND USE CHANGE. THAT'S JUST A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, DO YOU BELIEVE THIS PROPERTY IS BETTER SERVED AS RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO COMMERCIAL? THEN WE WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THE CONCERNS REGARDING TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, SO FORTH AS WE COME FORWARD. AGAIN, I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE OUR FIRST READING AND WE'LL COME BACK TWO, THREE WEEKS FOR A SECOND READING.

THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHTY.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION. >> MADAM MAYOR? JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. JUST TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE SPECIFICALLY.

SOME OF THE FOLKS HAVE REACHED OUT IN THE COMMUNITY TALKING ABOUT DRAINAGE.

TALKING ABOUT SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT AND THEIR REVIEW.

I DID GET SOME DOCUMENTATION ON THAT. I DID SEE SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT

THE REVIEW. >> YOU CAN ADDRESS IT LATER. I'M SORRY.

>> SO I JUST WANTED TO ENGAGE STAFF IF WE COULD. >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

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>> WHERE IS IT FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AS FAR AS THE APPLICATION? I KNOW WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT FUTURE LAND

USE CHANGES HERE. LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT. >> ASPECT THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING TO AT THE MOMENT, SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, THAT'S ON GOING.

THAT'S PART OF THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PART OF THIS. WE'RE DEALING WITH FUTURE LAND USE. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. WE DO WANT TO SPEAK TO THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ISSUES AND THE BERM AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DELAY THOSE UNTIL WE TALK ABOUT THE ZONING CHANGE, REZONING.

WE ARE AWARE OF THESE THINGS. I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE ENGINEERS OF THE APPLICANT.

>> PLEASE SPEAK UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. OR MOVE THE MIC CLOSER.

>> I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT, ENGINEER, TO THE APPLICANT.

I HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME RESIDENTS, REPRESENTATIVES OF RESIDENTS. WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT WE CAN RELAY AT THE THIRD READING OF THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE FACING AT THE MOMENT. ESSENTIALLY THE POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS A FUTURE LAND USE. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PATTERN OF THE FUTURE LAND USE IN THE AREA, WHETHER OR NOT IT FITS INTO THE PATTERN WE'VE SEEN THAT'S QUITE EASILY REPRESENTED ON THE MAP BY THE COLORS THAT YOU SEE ON THE MAP. PRIMARILY THE YELLOW COLORS REPRESENT RESIDENTIAL. RED COLORS REPRESENT COMMERCIAL. STAFF HAVE REVIEWED THIS AND FEEL THAT IT IS WITHIN THE REALM OF AN ADEQUATE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE TO LOOK AT THAT, THE BLEND OF YELLOW THERE AND BEING THE MAJORITY OF THAT LAND USE BEING RESIDENTIAL IN THIS AREA.

I WOULD SUPPORT THAT FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE. THES IS SPEBGTS OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND STORM WATER AND HOW THAT'S HANDLED WILL GO INTO

FURTHER DEPTH IN THAT. >> LATER AGENDA. >> WE ARE AWARE A PERMIT IS

UNDER REVIEW AND THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THAT. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> THE OTHER POINT IS WE HAVE A COUPLE ITEMS IN FRONT OF US, IN LOOKING AT IT. PERSONALLY, I DON'T HAVE A BIG RESERVATION ON THIS PART OF THE AGENDA ITEM AND WHILE WE GET TWO CRACKS AT IT, THIS IS LEGISLATIVE FIRST HEARING TONIGHT. THIS WILL COME BACK TO US. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IT AGAIN.

IN ADDITION TO THE LATER AGENDA ITEM, WHICH WE'RE REALLY GONNA DIG DEEP, AS YOU JUST INDICATED AND REALLY DIG INTO SOME SOFT ISSUES, EVEN THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE AND WELL RECEIVED BY THE WAY. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

>> I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S QUESTION. WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TONIGHT IS JUST TO CHANGE THE USE OF THE LAND. THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK BEFORE US AGAIN FOR A SECOND READING. AND THEN WHEN WE, WHENEVER THE DEVELOPMENT AND PLANNING AND WHEREVER THEY PROPOSE TO GO ON THAT LAND, THAT HAS TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US AGAIN.

>> YES. WHAT YOU ARE SEEING TODAY ARE THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS.

>> RIGHT. >> FIRST TWO, I WILL DESCRIBE THAT AS CHANGE OF COLOR OF THE

MAP. >> RIGHT. >> THIRD ITEM WILL BE LOOKING AT MORE SITE SPECIFIC ASPECTS, WHAT THINGS ARE REQUIRED TO DEVELOP THE SITE, THE REZONING OF THAT

SITE AND WHAT USES ARE GOING TO BE PLACED ON THAT SITE. >> I JUST WANT IT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE WE GET A CHANCE TO HEAR IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? ANYBODY PREPARED TO MAKE A

MOTION? >> IF I CAN GET MY DEVICE TO WORK, I WOULD.

I'M NOT THERE YET. >> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

>> WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 22-015.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> ? >> SECOND.

>> ANY DISCUSSION? CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER SKWRFRPLT JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. OKAY. >> SO NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE

[c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 22-016: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida: Amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of two (2) parcels generally located along the south side of Dickson Drive, at the intersection with South US Highway 1, from City of Fort Pierce General Commercial (GC) to City of Fort Pierce Medium Density Residential (RM); providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. FIRST READING]

22-016. AGAIN, THIS IS LEGISLATIVE HEARING.

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ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF TWO PARCELS GENERALLY LOCATED AROUND THE SOUTH SIDE OF DICKSON DRIVE AT THE INTERSECTION WITH SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1 AND CITY OF FORT PIERCE GENERAL COMMERCIAL GC, MEDIUM STKEPBSTY RESIDENTIAL RM PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR ORDINANCE OR PARCELS AND PROVIDING FOR AN

EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> DO YOU HAVE FURTHER

PRESENTATION ON THIS? >> NO. ONLY FOR REZONING.

>> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

LET'S HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST, MR. MURPHY. >> MAYOR, COMMISSIONER.

MY NAME IS DENNIS MURPHY. WE'RE HERE TODAY REPRESENTING CULTURAL LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR A CHANGE IN LAND USE ON A PARCEL OF LAND LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF DICKSON -- TWO PARCELS AT THE INTERSECTION OF DICKSON DRIVE AND SOUTH U.S. 1. IT IS TWO PARCELS UNDER THIS PARTICULAR DESCRIPTION THAT MAKE UP THE ENTIRETY OF I BELIEVE IT'S ABOUT 5.5 ACRES OR THERE ABOUT. 7 ACRES. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE PRIOR AGENDA ITEM. THAT IS A REQUEST FOR CHANGE IN LAND USE FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. YOU MAY REMEMBER THAT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS YOU HAVE AUTHORIZED DESIGNATION OF A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT KNOWN AS THE SAVANNAH PRESERVE.

WE'VE AMENDED THAT BOUNDARY TO INCLUDE THIS PROPERTY. THIS PROPERTY WAS NOT PART OF OUR ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AS WE GOT INTO THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, IT BECAME APPARENT THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A BETTER CONNECTION TO U.S. 1. THAT IS CONNECTING UP TO DIXON DRIVE. ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WAS TO ACQUIRE THIS 7 ACRES OF LAND.

AS YOU WILL SEE LATER ON IN THE PD PETITION THAT IS TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU.

WE'LL TALK ABOUT HOW WE HAVE REALIGNED THE INTERSECTION, TO ENHANCE ALL OF THAT.

AGAIN, THIS IS SIMPLY TO PUT IT INTO A RESIDENTIAL USE DESIGNATION CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE PROPERTY. IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, I WOULD TRY TO ANSWER THEM. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU APPROVE THE FIRST READING AND SECOND READING

WE'LL ULTIMATELY APPROVE THIS PETITION. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ONE LAST THING.

JUST TO MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE IT AS PART OF THE RECORD THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION AND ALL OF OUR PRESENTATION MATERIALS I ASSUME ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.

>> THEY ARE. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE? YES. >> I'M DAVID ROYAL FROM STEWART REPRESENTING BOTH OF THE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT.

AS I SAID BEFORE, JUST MAKING MY RECORD. BOTH OF MY ASSOCIATIONS ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED WITH THE DETAILS OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THAT AT GREATER LENGTH. WE DO HAVE MEMBERS WHO EXPRESSED CONCERN TAKING THIS PROJECT PIECE MEAL AND GIVING IT APPROVALS ALONG THE WAY, CHANGING ZONING FROM WHAT EXISTS AND WHAT WORKS ON U.S. 1 WITHOUT APPROVAL FOR THE OVERALL PROJECT. MOREOVER, AS WE GET INTO THE DETAILS HERE, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO BE DEVELOPED BEFORE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO APPROVE THIS. WE TAKE COMFORT IN THE FACT THAT I THINK YOU'RE FOCUSED ON THIS PROJECT AND UNDERSTAND THE DEEP CONCERNS THESE RESIDENTS HAVE, SO THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION COME FORWARD.

NO ONE. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT ORDINANCE NUMBER 22-016.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. CALL ROLL, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

[d. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Ordinance 22-017: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida: Rezoning four parcels of land generally located on the east side of South US Highway 1 at the intersection of Dickson Drive and lying north of the existing Gator Trace Planned Development, from General Commercial (C-3) and Planned Development (PD) to Planned Development (PD), for the residential project to be known as Savannah Preserve; providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. FIRST READING]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING ON ORDINANCE 22-017. REZONING FOUR PARCELS OF LAND ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH U.S.

HIGHWAY 1 AT THE INTERSECTION OF DICKSON DRIVE AND LYING NORTH OF THE EXISTING GATOR TRACE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PD FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECT TO BE KNOWN AS SAVANNAH PRESERVE.

PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

>> THIS IS FOR ALL QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS TONIGHT. PLEASE LISTEN TO THE CITY

ATTORNEY. >> THE CITY COMMISSION SERVES LEGISLATIVE AND QUASI JUDICIAL

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ROLE. WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY THE COMMISSION PASSES LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICIES. WHEN ACTING AS A QUASI JUDICIAL BODY, THE COMMISSION APPLIES THOSE LAWS AND IS HELD TO STRICTER STANDARD. QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS ARE LESS FORMAL THAN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT BUT ARE MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. THEY MUST FOLLOW NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS, AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO CONDUCT THE PROCEEDINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATORS. THAT'S WHY THE PROCEDURES WERE ESTABLISHED THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED. FIN FINALLY, NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH DURING HEARING. IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVE TON THE CITY CLERK, GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT OF ARMS, ONE OF THE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAM CLERK, HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS?

>> WE HAVE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS. >> WOULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS

IF THEY HAVE HAD ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION ON THIS ITEM. >> YES, MA'AM.

COMMISSIONER GAINES, EX-PARTE? >> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. I HAVE MET WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. I HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AND ALSO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CONCERNING THE ISSUE, INCLUDING CORRESPONDENCE

VIA E-MAIL. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM W THE APPLICANT

AND ALSO WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> I HAVE RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THIS FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE RECEIVED CORRESPONDENCE, TOO.

>> WOULD YOU SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES. >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK, WOULD YOU STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, IF YOU INFEND TO SPEAK, THIS IS WHERE YOU HAVE TO STAND.

>> I'LL ASK YOU AGAIN IF YOU'VE BEEN SWORN IN. >> MADAM CLERK, I THINK I DID

RECEIVE SOME E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE. >> I'LL CORRECT THAT.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> I CAN'T REMEMBER. >> OKAY.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. AS I STATED EARLIER, APPLICANT

ALSO HAD A POWER POINT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY PRESENTATION?

>> I DO. >> OKAY. YOU GO WITH YOUR PRESENTATION

FIRST. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. BEFORE YOU IS A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT FOR ORDINANCE 22.017 EAST SIDE OF SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1 AT THE INTERSECTION OF DICKSON DRIVE IN LINE NORTH OF THE EXISTING GATOR TRACE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. BEFORE YOU IS AN AERIAL OF THE OVERALL SUBJECT AREA. APPROXIMATELY 132.7 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE.

BEFORE YOU IS THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST BASED ON ITS CONSISTENCY WITH 125-212 OF CITY CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT DOES NOT AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, GENERAL WELFARE.

APPLICANT -- SORRY. THIS IS CONCEPTUAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY

WHICH CONSISTS OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TOWNHOMES. >> MAYOR, IF I MAY.

>> YES, SIR. >> IN ADDITION TO THE PRESENTATION OF STAFF, I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD WHEN THIS APPLICATION WENT THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD DID MAKE A NUMBER OF REPRESENTATIONS, PRIMARILY AIMED AT THE STORM WATER MEASURES AND BERM THAT THE PLANNING BOARD THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT TO NOTE. THE THREE ITEMS THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY WANTED TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD WERE THE ISSUE OF THE POTENTIAL MAINTENANCE OF THE STORM WATER BERM, ITS LOCATION IS ACTUALLY IN A PARCEL WHICH IS OWNED BY ST. LUCIE COUNTY. RIGHT OF WAY AND ALSO CONCERN ABOUT ANY DESIGN OF THAT THAT WASN'T FULLY EXPRESSED TO THEM THE PLANNING BOARD, WHAT THE ULTIMATE PLAN WOULD BE.

I KNOW THERE'S BEEN ON GOING NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVES AND THE HOA'S OF THOSE COMMUNITIES. THEY ALSO WOULD WANT -- THE PLANNING BOARD DID REQUEST IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES MADE TO THE INTENDED LOCATION OF THAT

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BERM WITHIN THAT EASEMENT, THAT IT GO BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR FURTHER REVIEW.

STAFF TO DATE HAS NOT REALLY HAD A FULL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED BERM AND METHODOLOGY OF THE STORM WATER TREATMENT. WE'RE DEFINITELY ASKING THAT THAT BE CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION TONIGHT. IF ANY APPROVAL IS MADE, THAT THAT IS PUSHED BACK ONTO THE APPLICANT TO DELIVER THAT BEFORE FINAL DECISION IS MADE ON THAT. STAFF WILL ALSO LOOK AT THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT. THE APPLICANT HAS APPLIED FOR A PERMIT ON THIS PROPERTY. THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS REVEALED ITSELF IN THE COMMENTS MADE BY SOUTH FLORIDA. WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE STAFF POINT OF VIEW THAT THIS HAS TO BE DEALT WITH PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT BEING UNDER TAKEN ON THIS SITE. SO WHATEVER WE ARE WITH THE DECISION ON THIS, THERE WOULD BE NO DEVELOPMENT ON THIS SITE WITHOUT THAT PERMIT BEING ADDRESSED BY THE APPLICANT.

TO BE ABLE TO PROPERLY ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS, THE APPLICANT DOES NEED TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION FOR WHERE THE BERM IS, DESIGN OF THE BERM, AND THAT SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO STAFF FOR

REVIEW. >> IS THAT PART OF THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT

PROCESS, TOO? >> THAT'S SEPARATE. STAFF CANNOT REQUIRE THAT THAT'S DONE AT THIS MOMENT. ALL THAT WE CAN NOTE IS THAT'S IN PROCESS AND DEVELOPMENT CANNOT BE UNDER TAKEN PRIOR TO THAT PERMIT BEING ISSUED. WE CAN'T DEMAND THAT PERMIT IS

ISSUED PRIOR TO THIS PROCESS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES YOUR

PRESENTATION? >> YES. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT THE BERM.

THE PLANNING BOARD DID, TOO, IN DETAIL, RIGHT? SAYING THEY'VE REQUESTED IT.

>> YES. >> TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BERM IN RELATION TO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM OUTFALL STRUCTURES. JUST GIVE ME A GEOGRAPHICAL REFERENCE.

WHAT'S HAPPENING? >> CURRENTLY, THE BERM IS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THIS EASEMENT

AREA. >> COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY? >> CORRECT.

>> I DO NOT RECALL. I KNOW THAT STARTED IN THE PLANNING BOARD.

>> GO AHEAD. SORRY. GO AHEAD WITH THE BERM TALK.

TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BERM SOME MORE, PLEASE. >> IN THE SOUTHERN LOCATION OF

THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY ALONG GATOR TRACE. >> WHERE'S THE OUTFALL? MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER. YOU HAVE THE LOCATION OF THE OUTFALL FOR THE STORM WATER

SYSTEM? >> NO. THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE ARE REQUESTING THAT WHEN THEY DO HAVE THOSE SPECIFICATIONS, THEY BRING IT BACK AND WE TAKE IT

BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD OR CITY COMMISSION. >> WE DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TO NORTH OR SOUTH. WE HAVE TWO DEVELOPMENTS IN THE NORTH THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.

NEVER MIND. I THINK I CAN DO THAT. DEVELOPMENT PLAN ITSELF, TALK TO US ABOUT THE INTERSECTION OF U.S. 1 AND THEIR CONNECTION POINT FROM YOUR STAFF'S

PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S DICKSON DRIVE, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> NORTHWEST CORNER? >> YES. I HAVE CREATED A DRIVE WAY ALONG DICKSON DRIVE TO ENTER INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE.

IT'S NOT A GATED COMMUNITY. THERE WON'T BE ANY -- >> RESTRICTION?

>> RESTRICTION AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. >> IS DICKSON DRIVE CITY OR

COUNTY? >> DICKSON IS COUNTY. >> ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO DICKSON DRIVE THAT ARE GOING TO OCCUR? THAT RIGHT OF WAY HAS TO REMAIN

BECAUSE OF THE PARCELS THAT ARE TO THE EAST, RIGHT? >> RIGHT.

>> ANY IMPROVEMENTS THERE? >> JUST LIKE THE WESTERN SECTION OF DICKSON DRIVE.

>> OKAY. >> THE APPLICANT CAN TALK ABOUT ALIGNMENT OR RECONFIGURATION OF U.S. 1. BECAUSE THEY HAD TO WORK WITH THE DOT.

DID THE DOT BRING UP COMMENTS TO YOU OR STAFF? >> NO COMMENTS AS FAR AS NOT

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RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, NO. >> HOW ABOUT OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT?

>> ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED APPROVAL. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT

THIS SECOND. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> PLANNING BOARD VETTED THIS WHOLE ISSUE, OBVIOUSLY, AND THEY APPROVED IT. WAS IT UNANIMOUS?

>> CORRECT. >> IT WAS WITH CONDITIONS. >> THEY MADE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE ISSUE IS IT'S NOT WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CURRENT PROPOSAL.

>> TALKING ABOUT A MOTION THEY FINALLY MADE HAD CONDITIONS IN IT.

THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. >> YES.

>> WE'RE RELYING ON THE PLANNING BOARD TO CUT THROUGH THE INFORMATION.

JUST TO SAY THEY APPROVED IT, NOT NECESSARILY SO. THEY APPROVED IT WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS, MEANING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN REPRESENTED TONIGHT.

>> CORRECT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY.

I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF

STAFF? >> NO, MA'AM, I DON'T. I DO HAVE A POWER POINT PRESENTATION. IT WILL ANSWER SOME, IF NOT MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE OUT

THERE RIGHT NOW. DO I HAVE THE DEVICE? >> ARE YOU AWARE OF OUR TIME CONSTRAINTS? YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES. IS THAT RIGHT?

>> NO, I DID NOT KNOW THAT. I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO TALK FAST.

I JUST NEED SOMETHING TO BE ABLE TO STEER THIS THING. >> LET'S TRY THAT.

DON'T START ME UNTIL I START TALKING HERE. >> DON'T WORRY.

WE'LL GIVE YOU TIME. >> DID IT SHOW UP? >> GO BACK TO BIG IMAGE YOU HAVE. MAYOR, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY.

>> YOU CAN'T FIND IT. >> NO. >> DO YOU HAVE IT ON A THUMB

DR DRIVE? >> YES.

AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THIS IS A THREE PRONG PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

I SUSPECT IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ADEQUATELY ADDRESS TONIGHT,

WE'LL ADDRESS THOSE AT OUR SECOND READING. >> OKAY.

>> IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. I'LL WORK MY WAY THROUGH IT.

FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS DENNIS MURPHY. WE'RE ENGINEERS AND LAND PLANNERS, SURVEYORS. WE'RE REPRESENTING SAVANNAH PRESERVE PROJECT.

AS WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED ON THE REZONING PETITION, WE'RE DEALING WITH APPROXIMATELY 132 ACRE PARCEL OF LAND LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF U.S. 1 IN BETWEEN GATOR TRACE AND HIGH POINT GATOR FRAYS TO THE SOUTH, HIGH POINT TO THE NORTH. SAVANNAH'S PRESERVE PARK AREA TO OUR EAST. U.S. 1 OF COURSE IS TO OUR WEST. THIS GENERAL GRAPHIC THROUGH HERE GIVES AN INDICATION OF WHAT THE ULTIMATE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE PROPERTY IS.

AS I MENTIONED A MOMENT AGO, EARLIER, THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY COMMISSION FOR DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT AND SAVANNAH LAKES DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT.

THAT DISTRICT IS TO BE FINANCING METHOD FOR THE DEVELOP PHRPBT OF THE PROPERTY AND FOR MAINTAINING THE LONG TERM MAINTAINING THE VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE COMMUNITY.

THAT WILL BE THE FINANCING MECHANISM FOR MANY OF THESE IMPROVEMENTS.

STREETS IN THE COMMUNITY ARE ALL PRIVATE. THE LAKES AND DRAINAGE SYSTEM ARE ALL PRIVATE. CONSERVATION AREAS WILL ALL BE PRIVATE AND MAINTAINED BY THE ASSOCIATION AND DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. MADAM MAYOR, LITTLE HISTORY THROUGH HERE. ONE OF THE OTHER MAPS THAT WAS UP HERE EARLIER.

THE LARGE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, LARGER POSITION, THE BULK OF THE PROPERTY, IS CURRENTLY ZONED PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. IT WAS APPROVED ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, TEN YEARS AGO FOR SAVANNAH PRESERVE AT GATOR TRACE.

WE LIKE THE NAME SAVANNAH SO WE STAYED IN THAT GENERAL THEME. THAT PROJECT DID NOT ADVANCE FORWARD. THAT PROJECT HAD A COUPLE THINGS THAT WERE OF SOME CONCERN TO THE COMMUNITY AT THAT TIME, INCLUDING RUNNING ACCESS THROUGH THE GATOR TRACE COMMUNITY INTO THIS PROPERTY. WE WOULD HAVE COME UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY LOOKING AT THIS IMAGE BEFORE YOU. YOU WILL SEE THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER PART OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S WHERE GATOR TRACE BOULEVARD COMES UP, WHICH IS A

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PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THAT WAS THE FRONT DOOR TO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

THAT DEVELOPMENT DID NOT PROCEED. IT WAS AUTHORIZED FOR 850 UNITS AT THAT TIME. AS TIME HAS GONE ON, NEW DEVELOPERS, NEW PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY. BASICALLY, WE CONCLUDED THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO ACCESS THROUGH GATOR TRACE. WE FELT A MORE APPROPRIATE ACCESS WAS TO COME OFF U.S. 1.

THAT'S WHERE WE LOOKED AT THE TWO PARCELS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED TONIGHT AS BEING POTENTIAL ACCESS POINTS. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE ONE AT THE CORNER OF DICKSON AND U.S. 1 INITIALLY. WE WERE TRYING TO WORK OFF THE ONE PARCEL BELOW THAT.

IT BECAME VERY APPARENT THAT ACCESS CONNECTION FROM U.S. 1 AT THAT LOCATION WAS NOT IN THE PWEFLT INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY. WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEMS, LIKE WE MENTIONED TONIGHT, ABOUT GETTING ON AND OFF U.S. 1 IN THESE AREAS.

WE'VE DECIDED IT WAS BETTER TO GO AND ACQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL LAND AND TIE INTO THE INTERSECTION AT DICKSON AND FARMER'S MARKET AND U.S. 1 WHICH IS A SIGNALED INTERSECTION.

BECAUSE OF THE SCALE OF THE GRAPHICS, YOU'RE NOT SEEING IT VERY WELL IN HERE RIGHT NOW.

GENERALLY, WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A 650 UNIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEFORE YOU. 130 UNITS, I'M SORRY. LET ME GET MY NOTES.

310 TOWNHOME UNITS AND 340 UNITS OF TWO FAMILY ATTACHED. IT'S ACTUALLY 170 STRUCTURES.

THESE WILL BE DEVELOPED AND I BELIEVE IN YOUR INFORMATION PACKAGES YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN COPIES OF THE SITE PLAN, ARCHITECTURE RENDERS TO SHOW YOU IF TYPE OF PRODUCT WE'RE PUTTING OUT HERE. THESE ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED BY NATIONAL BUILDERS.

THEY'RE AT THE HIGH END OF THE MARKET REACH FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE FEE SIMPLE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE RENTAL COMMUNITIES. FEE SIMPLE. THIS IS NOT AN AGE STRICTED COMMUNITY. GENERAL MARKET RATE FAMILY DRIVEN COMMUNITY.

WE'VE DESIGNED AND BUILT INTO THE COMMUNITY RECREATIONAL ELEMENTS, INCLUDING RECREATION TRAIL THAT WORKS AROUND THE LARGE WETLAND PRESERVE. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY RECREATION AREA SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE AND WE HAVE CONNECTIONS FROM OUR COMMUNITY INTO THE PARK OPTIONS THAT EXIST TO OUR EAST. THOSE ARE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, NONVEHICULAR IN NATURE. VEHICULAR CONNECTIONS ARE ONE PRIMARY THAT IS THE AFOREMENTIONED DICKSON AND U.S. 1 RECONSTRUCTION AREA. WE HAVE TWO SECONDARY EMERGENCY ONLY NOT OPEN TO THE GENERAL USE. THEY'RE ONLY LIMITED FOR EMERGENCY PURPOSES. THEY WILL BE GATED OFF. ONE AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AND ONE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. THE REASON WE HAVE THE TWO HERE IS BECAUSE THE AFOREMENTIONED WETLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY TENDS TO DISSECT THE PROPERTY AND CREATES A DESIGN CHANGE. TO AVOID ISOLATION, WE HAD TO GIVE TWO LOCATIONS.

ONE GOING EAST. ONE GOING WEST. WE HAVE THOSE IN PLACE.

LET ME GO TO THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, SO TO SPEAK. DRAINAGE.

OKAY. FIRST OFF, YES. WE DO HAVE A PENDING APPLICATION WITH THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. WE ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW WITH THEM. I BELIEVE WE'RE ADDRESSING THE LAST OF THEIR QUESTIONS TODAY WITH THE OBJECTIVE TO GET IT BACK INTO THEM EITHER TO ADVANCE THIS PROJECT.

EITHER GIVE THEM COMMENTS THE END OF THIS WEEK OR FIRST PART OF NEXT.

THE CHALLENGE ISSUE ON THE SITE HAS BEEN THE WETLANDS AND THE WETLAND IMPACTS.

ONLY A SMALL PART OF THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAN LOCATED UP IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. EVERYTHING ELSE IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR FLOOD PLAIN.

WE DESIGNED OUR PROJECT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AND USE THE WETLANDS AS PART OF OUR STORM WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM. THAT TREATMENT SYSTEM INVOLVES A COLLECTION, STANDARD TYPE COLLECTION WHERE WE WILL RAISE THE YARDS, GO TO THE GUTTER, GOES TO THE STORM WATER, GOES TO THE WATER TREATMENT, GOES TO THE LAKES, WETLANDS, WORKS ITS WAY DOWN TO THE OUTFALL POINTASKING WHERE THE OUTPOINT IS. LOCATED ON IF SOUTHWEST PART OF THE PROPERTY.

I HAVE A BETTER GRAPHIC TO SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE IT'S LOCATED. IF YOU SEE WHERE THE ROUND ABOUT

IS? >> CAN YOU MOVE THE CURSOR? >> YEAH.

>> THAT HELPS. >> YEAH. YEAH.

THERE WE GO. PLANT WOULD BE HERE. GIVE OR TAKE A FEW FEET.

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DRAINAGE FLOW OVERALL PROPERTY DRAINAGE FLOW WORKS ITS WAY FROM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST. SO OUR DRAINAGE WILL BE DIRECTED FROM THIS INTO THE LAKES IN AND OUT POINT. THEN IT WILL WORK ITS WAY DOWN, FILTERING THROUGH THE WETLAND SYSTEMS WHERE IT DISCHARGES INTO AN EXISTING DITCH ALONG MAY FLOWERFL CANAL, WHATEVER YOU WA TO CALL THAT PARTICULAR CORRIDOR. IT WORKS ITS WAY SOUTH AND INTO TEN MILE CREEK. ONE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IN ALL OF THIS, OUR RATE OF DISCHARGE IN THE POST DEVELOPMENT CONDITION, MEANING AFTER WE'RE DONE BUILDING AND DURING BUILDING CANNOT EXCEED THE RATE OF DISCHARGE IN THE PREDEVELOPMENT CONDITION.

WHEN I GO BACK TO MY ENGINEERS AND THEY GO DO THEIR MATH, THEY'RE GONNA TELL ME WE ARE DISCHARGING SO MANY CUBIC FEET PER SECOND OF WATER OFF THIS SITE IN THE PREDEVELOPMENT CONDITION. IN THE POST DEVELOPMENT CONDITION, WE WILL BE DISCHARGING THE SAME NUMBER. THAT WILL BE DONE THROUGH A SYSTEM OF RETENTION, WORKING THE WETLANDS SYSTEM INTO IT. THIS IS WHERE THE BERM COMES IN. WE HAVE AND HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT TO GATOR TRACE SINCE WE FIRST STARTED WORKING ON THIS PROPERTY, AS GOOD NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO CAUSE ANY NEGATIVE DRAINAGE IMPACTS UPON THEM. I HAVE MET WITH THE GATOR TRACE FOLKS.

I HAVE BEEN OUT TO THE SITE. WE'VE WALKED IT. LOOKED AT IT.

WE'VE COME UP WITH THE IDEA THAT THE BEST WAY TO AVOID IMPACTS TO THE GATOR TRACE COMMUNITY IS THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION OF A BERM ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE.

NOW, HERE'S WHERE THINGS GET A LITTLE SQUIRRELY. THERE IS A HIATUS BETWEEN OUR SOUTH PROPERTY LINE AND THE GATOR TRACE NORTH PROPERTY LINE. THAT HIATUS IS A COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY. DRAINAGE RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA.

WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THAT COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY. WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE WATER DISTRICT AND COUNTY AND WE'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE BERM IS THE BEST WAY TO GO TO AVOID HAVING DRAINAGE IMPACTS ON GATOR TRACE. THE ONLY QUESTION IS, WHERE DO WE PUT IT? DO WE PUT IT ON OUR PROPERTY LINE OR SOUTH COUNTY LINE OF THE COUNTY WAY? RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING IS LEANING TOWARD THE SOUTH COUNTY LINE.

WE WANT IT THERE. THE COUNTY WANTS IT THERE. MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TAKING A HARDER LOOK AT IT. THEY INITIALLY SAID NO. PART OF THAT RESPONSE BACK TO THEM IS HOW WE WILL PROVIDE MITIGATION IN THE WETLANDS THAT WE'RE IMPACTING SO BASICALLY WE GET A BIGGER BILL FOR MITIGATION. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, I BELIEVE, A BERM ALONG THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY LINE, SUFFICIENT HEIGHT. DON'T ASK ME THE PRECISE NUMBER. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.

I KNOW IT WILL BE TALL TPHOUF SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS. DIRECT WATER SO IT DOES NOT IMPACT UPON THE GATOR TRACE PROPERTY UP TO THE DESIGN LEVEL STORM.

NOW, I NEED TO QUALIFY SOMETHING VERY CLEARLY, VERY SPECIFIC, AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW THIS.

DEVELOPMENT IN FLORIDA GOES BY A VERY THICK RULE BOOK, PARTICULARLY DRAINAGE.

PART OF THAT IS WHEN YOU DO YOUR STORM WATER DESIGNS, YOU'RE DESIGNING FOR A CERTAIN LEVEL OF STORM. OKAY? WE ALL KNOW THERE MAY BE AN OCCASION WHERE IT MAY RAIN HARDER THAN WHAT THAT BOOK IS GONNA SAY AND WE'RE GONNA EXCEED DESIGN LEVEL. THAT HAPPENS. OKAY? I CANNOT CONTROL THAT. I CONTROL WHAT MY DESIGN REQUIREMENTS ARE.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY WILL BE MET AND WE WILL NOT CAUSE ANY EXCESS FLOODING OR FLOODING ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES SO LONG AS WE'RE CONSISTENT WITH DESIGN LEVELS.

IF IT EXCEEDS DESIGN LEVEL, JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY, ALL BETS ARE OFF AND WE'LL HOPE IT DRAINS FAIRLY QUICKLY. IT COMES BACK TO THE COMPLETENESS OF THE OVERALL PROJECT DESIGN. DRAINAGE, I BELIEVE -- DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> PARDON? NO. >> OKAY.

DRAINAGE, I BELIEVE WE HAVE COVERED AND DEALT WITH PRETTY COMPREHENSIVELY.

I DON'T SEE THERE BEING A REGULATORY PROBLEM ON THAT. UTILITIES, REAL QUICKLY.

WE WILL BE BRINGING WATER INTO THE PROPERTY. OUR PRIMARY POINT OF CONNECTION WILL BE COMING IN OFF THE INTERSECTION OF DICKSON AND U.S. 1.

WE WILL HAVE LOOP CONNECTIONS COMING IN SOUTH MARKET. WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED TO DO

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A DIRECTIONAL BORE -- PROPERTY THE BIFURCATED BY THE WETLANDS. WE WANTED TO DO A DIRECTIONAL BORE TO CONNECT BACK TO THAT LOOP CONNECTION POINT. POA SAID THANK YOU, NO.

WE WOULD PREFER YOU TO CONNECT TO THESE UTILIT LINES IN GATOR TRACE.

WE WOULD HAVE A LOOP CONNECTION POINT HERE AND A LOOP CONNECTION POINT DOWN HERE.

SUBJECT TO GETTING ALL THE NECESSARY EASEMENTS FROM THE GATOR TRACE FOLKS.

WE SHOULD, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, UTILITY LINES ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PROPERTY LINE SO IT WILL NOT BE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. THAT ACTUALLY IS A NET POSITIVE FOR THE GATOR TRACE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THAT LOOP WILL PROVIDE EXTRA PRESSURE BENEFITS, EXTRA WATER QUALITY. IT WOULD ALLOW THE WATER TO FLOW WHAT IS NOW A DEAD END LINE.

TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION. WE'VE ALLOCATED DICKSON DRIVE. WE ARE REBUILDING THE ENTRANCE THROUGH HERE. WE ARE RECONSTRUCTING A PORTION OF DICKSON AT LEAST UP THROUGH THIS CURVE TO A POINT APPROXIMATELY HERE. DICKSON WILL REMAIN AS IT IS NOW FOR COUNTY ROADWAY. WE HAVE REVIEWED THESE CONSTRUCTION PLANS WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY ARE ACCEPTABLE TO THEM. WE HAVE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS, I WILL NOT TELL YOU HOW MANY W THE DOT AND WORKING ACCESS CONNECTION ISSUES FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THIS INTERSECTION WITH U.S. 1. WE HAVE APPROVALS FROM THEM.

THEY HAVE GIVEN US A LIST OF CONSTRUCTION DESIGNS WE WANT TO SEE.

THERE WILL BE SOME SIGNAL MODIFICATIONS. OVERALL TRIP IMPACTS ON TO THE U.S. 1 NETWORK DO NOT VIOLATE ANY LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD. WILL IT VIOLATE SERVICE? NO. WILL WE HAVE AN ACCESS CONNECTION POINT HERE AT U.S. 1? YES. THERE WAS A QUESTION ASKED A MOMENT AGO, ARE WE LOOKING TO HAVE A CONNECTION POINT IN BETWEEN DICKSON AND EDWARDS ROAD? NO. ALL OF THAT TRAFFIC WILL BE COMING OUT OF THAT ONE SIGNAL LOCATION. I SHOULD ADDRESS THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM.

THE OTHER ITEM THAT I HAVE -- LET ME JUST GO BACK. DRAINAGE WE TOUCHED ON.

BERMS WE TOUCHED ON. UTILITIES WE TOUCHED ON. ACCESS.

PARKS AND RECREATION COMMUNITY ASPECTS OF IT. APPROXIMATELY 55% OF OUR SITE, PLUS OR MINUS, IS SET UP AS OPEN SPACE, ACTIVE AND COMMON TOGETHER.

MUCH OF OURS IS PASSIVE. WE HAVE A RECREATION AREA HERE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

WE HAVE A SMALL LITTLE COMMUNITY AREA UP HERE IN THE NORTH CORNER.

AS I SAID, THIS IS A FAMILY BASED DEVELOPMENT. IT IS NOT AGE RESTRICTED.

BOTH THE NORTH HERE AND THE SOUTH END DOWN HERE ARE CAPABLE OF HANDLING SCHOOL BUS TURN AROUNDS. WHEN MR. SANDERS AND HIS TRANSPORTATION CREW COME AROUND, THEY CAN TURN IN, GET OUT AND GO QUITE WELL. BOTH THE NORTH POINT HERE AND THE SOUTH POINT DOWN HERE ARE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE POSTAL BOX.

THE WORLD WE LIVE IN TODAY, THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE DOES NOT DO HOUSE TO HOUSE DELIVERY ON LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTS. THEY DO COMMON AREA DROP OFF AND PICKUPS.

SO WE HAVE SET UP TWO LOCATIONS AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AS I SAID, ONE OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS HERE, WE WILL HAVE A LANDSCAPED ENTRY REFLECTION POND, POND HERE, FOUNTAIN, LANDSCAPING. IT WILL BE DONE PROFESSIONALLY.

IT IS INTENDED TO IMPROVE THE ES THET EUBGS. WE BELIEVE THE OVERALLS A THETICES WILL BE ENHANCED BY OUR WORK AND BY THE WORK OF THE OTHER NEWER COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE ALONG THE CORRIDOR. EVERYONE RECOGNIZES FIRST APPEARANCES ARE IMPORTANT. YOU DON'T GET A SECOND CHANCE TO MAKE A FIRST APPEARANCE.

TOWN HALL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS REGION THROUGH HERE. WE HAVE TWO FAMILY ATTACHED IN THROUGH HERE. AGAIN, I THINK YOU HAVE COPIES OF THOSE, WHAT THE ILLUSTRATIONS ARE, IN YOUR INFORMATION PACKETS. I APOLOGIZE THAT I DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF -- WE'LL FIND OUT THE PROBLEM IS FOR THE NEXT GO AROUND AND HAVE SOME BETTER GRAPHICS UP THERE. LET ME MAKE SURE I COVERED MY IMMEDIATE NOTES THROUGH HERE.

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MAKE SURE THIS DRAINAGE. WE'RE OKAY FOR MOMENT.

I THINK THAT COVERS THE HIGH POINTS OF THE PROJECT. KOULTER HAS COMMITTED TO PROVIDING THE CITY WITH A PREMIERE QUALITY DEVELOPMENT AND OUR BUILDER PARTNERS.

WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL ENHANCE THE VALUES OF PROPERTIES THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL.

WE BASICALLY ARE LOOKING TO DO A FIRST CLASS JOB. WE BELIEVE OUR REPUTATION PRECEDES US AND THAT YOU KNOW WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE CAN DO. I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT SPECIFICS, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE THE HIGH POINTS OF ALL OF THIS. I WOULD REQUEST THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE OUR FIRST READING, PETITION FOR CHANGE IN ZONING. WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONDITIONS, OKAY. WE CAN WORK WITH CONDITIONS. I WOULD RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP FROM THE PUBLIC, IF YOU SO LIKE.

AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, SINCE I HAVE GOT ONE MINUTE AND 20 SECONDS LEFT, I THINK. YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'M ASSUMING THAT STARTS AT THAT

POINT WHEN YOU START ASKING QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

DID YOU SAY THERE WILL BE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL THERE? >> TRAFFIC SIGNAL IS THERE RIGHT

NOW. >> AT DICKSON. THAT'S RIGHT.

>> DOG LEG TYPE INTERSECTION THAT WE COULD NOT SUGGEST ANY MORE BUT THERE IS A TRAFFIC SIGNAL RIGHT THERE. WE WILL BE MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO THAT BECAUSE OF OUR ROADWAY WORK. BUT IT IS THERE TODAY. THAT SIGNAL OPERATION WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE PLATOONING GAP THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER FOR THE FOLKS WHO COME OUT OF

HIGH POINT. >> THAT'S VERY, VERY CRITICAL TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN HIGH POINT. DOT DOES NOT SEEM FIT TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. >> BEING THAT I STILL NEED A

PERMIT FROM DOT, I WILL NOT BE TOO RUDE TO THEM. >> I DON'T WANT YOU TO PETITION THEM AT ALL. I'M JUST TELLING YOU IT'S VERY IMPORTANT AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN AS SOON AS WE CAN. ALL RIGHT. QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> GIVE ME THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RESIDENTS? >> 650.

>> 650, OKAY. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE BERM AND THE DEPTH AND THE

TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THAT SOUTH BERM AREA. >> YES.

>> HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THAT, AS FAR AS THE DEPTH OF WHAT THAT IS?

>> IT'S MORE OF A HIGH. >> THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. >> THE BERM WILL PROBABLY BE SOMEWHERE IN THE FOUR TO SEVEN FOOT HEIGHT RANGE. THAT'S ALL IT NEEDS TO BE TO PROVIDE FOR THE DIRECTION OF SURFACE WATERS. I STAND TO BE CORRECTED ON THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. BY THE TIME WE GOAT SECOND READING, I WILL HAVE THAT

INFORMATION FOR YOU. >> OKAY. >> IT'S HIGH ENOUGH TO DIRECT WATER. IT WILL HAVE SOME PLANTINGS ON IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. IT'S DEPENDENT UPON WHERE IT IS. WE RESPECT IF IT'S IN THE COUNTY RIGHT OF WAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.

THAT WOULD BE AN OBLIGATION, AS I SAID EARLIER. THIS PROJECT IS SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. WHEN WE ESTABLISHED THE COMMUNITY DISTRICT, IT IS ESSENTIALLY AN HOA OR POA ON STEROIDS BECAUSE IT HAS ASSESSMENT AUTHORITY.

IT HAS A GUARANTEED SOURCE OF REVENUE WHERE AS AN HOA MAY NOT. THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MONEY AVAILABLE TO MAINTAIN THE SYSTEM. YOU DON'T WANT TO MAINTAIN IT.

YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON THE PRO PROJECT.

>> WE HAD ONE OF THE PROPERTIES AROUND THE CITY THAT ARE CDD'S THAT ARE OPERATING, SO I GET THAT PART. I JUST WANTED TO BE REAL CLEAR OF THAT.

IN THE PRESENTATION MATERIALS, WE HAVE WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT ON YOUR POWER POINT?

>> I WILL MAKE SURE YOU GET IT IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT ALREADY. I HAVE THIS WHICH IS THAT KIND OF STUFF, MY SLIDES. LY SEE THAT YOU HAVE IT IN TIME FOR THE SECOND MEETING.

ONE MORE THING I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT. I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT THIS SITE WAS APPROVED FOR 850 UNITS. IF YOU TAKE THE ZONING DESIGNATION OF THE PROPERTY AND IF YOU APPLY THE MAXIMUM BONUS DENSITIES THAT WE WOULD BE ENTITLED TO BECAUSE WE ARE

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ADJACENT TO A TRANSIT SPOT WE COULD HAVE 2600 UNITS ON THE PROPERTY.

WE DON'T WANT 2600 UNITS. WE BELIEVE THE UNIT NUMBERS WE ARE SHOWING HERE IS A GOOD USE OF THE PROPERTY. EURT PROVIDES FOR A LARGE AMOUNT OF CONSERVATION AND PRESERVATION

AND GETS US TO WHERE WE WANT TO BE, BUT PREMIERE DEVELOPMENT. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WE TALKED ABOUT DRAINAGE IMPACTS.

SOME OF THE FOLKS TONIGHT WENT AHEAD AND SPOKE ABOUT HIGH POINT AND THEIR ISSUES WITH DRAINAGE IMPACTS. I ASSUME WATER FLOWS TO THE SOUTH.

THAT'S YOUR GATE, NOT MINE. ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS AT ALL AS FAR AS HIGH POINT TO THE NORTHERN END AS FAR AS IMPACTS TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT OR TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT CAUSED BY WHAT WE'RE

TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING? >> COMMISSIONER, ALL THE MODELLING THUS FAR HAS SHOWN WATER DOES FLOW TO THE SOUTH. WE WILL NOT BE DRAINING ANY WATER ONTO HIGH POINT.

THERE IS A 100 FOOT SO SPOT OF LAND -- LITTLE MORE THAN 100, 125 FEET.

125 FOOT AREA BETWEEN NORTHERN RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND THEIR SOUTHERN RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

MOST OF THAT LAND GOING TO HIGH POINT. THAT APPEARS TO DRAIN TO THE EAST. THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF DRAINAGE COMING OFF THE HIGH POINT PROPERTY ON OUR SITE THAT WE HAVE ACCOMMODATED AND THAT WE HAVE MAINTAINED.

AS I SAID EARLIER, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BEFORE AN AFTER ANALYSIS OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE PROPERTY AND WHERE IT IS AFTER THAT. EVERYTHING THAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, WE SEEM TO BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE THIS PROJECT SHOULD HAVE NO DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON HIGH POINT ISSUES. AS WAS POINTED OUT, THEY'RE BUILT LOWER THAN STAGE LEVELS IN THE SAVANNAHS. THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE ENTIRELY. OUR DEVELOPMENT WE EXPECT TO

HAVE NO IMPACT ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION REGARDING THE APPLICATIONS WITH SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND DOT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHEN YOU

WILL GET YOUR APPLICATIONS BACK SAYING YEAH OR NAY? >> LET'S DO DOT FIRST BECAUSE

THAT'S EASIER. >> OKAY. >> WE SPENT SIX MONTHS GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH DOT ON TRAFFIC ANALYSIS AND MODELLING REQUIREMENTS AND MODELLING ISSUES FOR THE RECOGNIZED IMPROVEMENTS TO U.S. 1. WE FINALLY GOT A LETTER OF INTENT THAT SAID BASICALLY DO X, Y AND Z. ADD A RIGHT TURN LANE, MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE TURN LANE ON U.S. 1. BASICALLY GO TO THE NEXT STAGE WHERE YOU DO DESIGN. THE PREVIOUS WORK WAS ALL MORE -- BASICALLY LIKE THIS.

SITE PLAN. WE'VE GOT THE AUTHORIZATION FROM THEM TO GO TO THE NEXT STAGE, WHICH IS DESIGN WORK. WE'LL CRUNCH THE HARD NUMBERS. THAT IS IN PROCESS AND SHOULD BE WRAPPED UP OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR THREE. IT'S GETTING A PERMIT OUT OF DOT. IT TOOK US FOREVER TO GET THE FIRST PART.

SOUTH FLORIDA IS VERY SIMILAR. SOUTH FLORIDA RELIES NOT SO MUCH ON THE CONCEPTUAL PLANS.

THEY WANT TO SEE THE HARD MAPS, THE HARD DESIGNS. I THINK WE'RE ON OUR SECOND ROUND OF COMMENTS TO ADDRESS RAISED VALID QUESTIONS. WE LAD TO ANSWER THEIR CONCERNS.

THEY HAVE THE BROADER CHARGE OF FLOOD WATER, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT AS WELL.

THAT'S KIND OF WHERE A BIT OF THE CONFLICT HAS COME UP IN THE CASE OF THE BERM ON THE SOUTH.

AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS IMAGE, THESE ARE THE BLUE AREAS BASED ON SURVEYS AND AERIALS REPRESENT THE TIPS OF THE WETLANDS HERE, THIS ONE HERE AND THIS ONE HERE REPRESENT THE TIPS OF THE WETLAND THAT EXTEND OFF OF THAT PROPERTY. THIS ONE STARTS, I SHOULD SAY IN ITS PRIOR LIFE, ACTUALLY CONTINUED FURTHER ON THROUGH GATOR TRACE BUT I BELIEVE IT'S GONE NOW. THE QUESTION HAS COME UP. THE QUESTION THAT WE'VE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE DISTRICT ON, OKAY, IF WE PUT A BERM ALONG THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE, HOW DO WE MITIGATE THE WETLANDS? THAT'S EVOLVING AS WE SPEAK. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BERM

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THERE. IT IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO BE ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE.

IT WILL BE A SUFFICIENT DESIGN AND REQUIREMENTS NOT TO CAUSE FLOODING ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND GO FROM THERE. NOW THAT, AS YOU KNOW, IS A CONSTRUCTION LEVEL DESIGN.

WE ARE AT THE PRECONSTRUCTION LEVEL DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. WE'RE DEALING WITH BIGGER PICTURE TYPE THINGS, AS WE SHOULD BE AT THIS STAGE. TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION LEVELS IS A GREAT DEAL OF TIME AND EFFORT AND ACTIVITY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IF THE PROJECT DOESN'T MOVE FORWARD. IF WE GET THE CONCEPTUAL AP PROEFLS.

THIS IS MORE THAN CONCEPTUALS. THAT ALLOWS US TO PROCEED. >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR WITH THE SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. YOU PRESENT SOMETHING.

THEY SENT IT BACK WITH SOME QUESTIONS. YOU ANSWERED THEIR QUESTIONS.

NOW YOU'RE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM? >> ALMOST.

WE ACTUALLY -- WE HAD ANOTHER STEP. WE PRESENTED SOME THINGS BACK TO THEM. THEY POPPED SOME QUESTIONS BACK TO US.

WE'RE READY TO RESPOND BACK. WE'RE ON OUR THIRD ITERATION OF IT.

>> THANK YOU. >> IT IS THAT COLLECTIVE ITERATION THAT ALLOWS THESE

THINGS TO PRO-AOED. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HEARD CORRECTLY ON THE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, MORE SPECIFICALLY THE WATER SYSTEM. YOU'RE LOOKING AT CONNECTING TO, INTERIOR TO GATOR TRACE, INTO LOOP THIS SYSTEM, THEN SOME COMMENTS FROM FORT PIERCE UTILITIES WHICH CREATES SOME RELIABILITY IN THE SYSTEM? WHAT WERE THE COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO?

>> THEIR COMMENTS, LET'S RECAP IT HERE. PRIMARY POINT OF CONNECTION WAS HERE IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER, BRINGING THE WATER LOOP. WE WERE GOING TO BRING IT THROUGH AND THEN BRING IT THROUGH THE WETLANDS AREAS AND CONSERVATION AREAS THROUGH A DIRECTIONAL BORE. THEN BRING IT BACK DOWN TO U.S. 1.

WE DON'T LIKE HAVING A DIRECTIONAL BORE THROUGH WETLAND CONSERVATIONS WE CAN'T GET TO.

WE WANT YOU TO DO THIS. MAINTAIN YOUR LOOP HERE, YOUR LOOP CONNECTION HERE.

ADD A LOOP CONNECTION HERE IN GATOR TRACE. THAT WILL ALLOW FOR GREATER PRESSURE AND GREAT ER WATER QUALITY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THE DEAD ENSYSTEMS THAT EXIST HERE IN GATOR TRACE TO HAVE FLOW. THEY HAVE ANOTHER WAY FOR THE WATER TO MOVE THROUGH THE SYSTEM

AND GET BETTER QUALITY. >> OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE.

IN YOUR HISTORY, THIS WAS PART OF THEIR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THEY PROBABLY MADE THOSE STUB

OUTS YEARS AGO IN HOPES OF HAVING A LOOP SYSTEM? >> ONE WOULD HAVE HOPED.

>> OKAY. THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH. THERE'S LIABILITY IN THE SYSTEM.

WHERE'S THE SEWER SYSTEM LOCATED? WHAT KIND OF SEWER SYSTEM AND

WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR THAT? >> OUR SEWER CONNECTION TO THE FORCE MAIN THAT EXISTS ALONG U.S. 1 IS RIGHT UP HERE AS WELL, DICKSON AREA. WE HAVE TWO INTERNAL LIFT STATIONS. WE HAVE A LIFT STATION HERE WHICH SERVES THE EASTERN HALF OF THE PROJECT. WE HAVE A LIFT STATION HERE WHICH WILL SHOW THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROJECT. SO IT'S A GRAVITY FROM THE HOMES TO THE LIFT STATIONS.

LIFT STATION PRESSURIZED OUT TO U.S. 1. >> OKAY.

THOSE ARE OWNED BY THE COMMUNITY. >> THEY WILL BE OWNED BY PUA.

ALL UTILITIES WILL BE OWNED BY THE UA. WE ARE NOT MAINTAINING THESE AS

PRIVATE SYSTEMS. WE WILL HAVE THE UA DO IT. >> WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, MAKE SURE. ALL RIGHT. SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT.

I ASKED EARLIER ABOUT THE OUTFALL LOCATION. YOU ANSWERED IN YOUR PRESENTATION SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY WHICH RIGHT THERE AT THAT CORNER, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. THERE'S NO OTHER OUTFALL POINT. NO OTHER DISCHARGE INTO THE

SAVANNAHS TO THE EAST. >> THERE MAY BE SOME NATURAL FLOW UP IN THIS LITTLE AREA WHERE WE'RE NOT TOUCHING MUCH IN THE 100 YEAR FLOOD PLAIN WHICH WOULD BE TO THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE. BUT THERE IS NO OTHER FLOW FROM OUR SITE GOING INTO THE SAVANNAHS. WE ARE NOT OUTFALLING INTO THE STPHAZ.

EVEN IN THE PRIOR PLANS, POWER PLANTS, THEY WERE ALL DRAINING HERE TOWARD THE SOUTHWEST CORNER

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OF THE PROPERTY. DOWN TO TEN MILE CREEK. >> SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC IN DISCUSSION POINTS IS THE BIGGER PICTURE JUST NOT THIS PARCEL.

NOT JUST THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH AT HIGH POINT. NOT JUST THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH. BUT THE OVERALL SYSTEM COMPONENTS.

IS YOUR ENGINEERING GROUP LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM COMPONENTS? WE HAVE AN OUTFALL HERE. WE ALL KNOW -- WE DON'T ALL KNOW.

I'M ASSUMING IN CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME ABOUT IT, THAT THEIR OUTFALL MIGHT BE TO THE SAME POINT. NOW WE'RE OUTFALLING TO THE SAME POINT OF ENTRANCE WHICH WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN MULTIPLE PIPES FLOW TO THE SAME DIRECTION AT THE SAME POINT IN TIME.

>> THE JAR GETS FILLED. THE GLASS GETS FILLED. YOU CAN HAVE BAD THINGS HAPPEN.

>> EASY PHYSICS, RIGHT? >> AS I SAID EARLIER, OUR RATE OF DISCHARGE IS REGULATED.

START WITH THAT. TO THE BEST OF OUR INFORMATION, THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT CAUSED ANY PROBLEMS IN THAT OUTFALL DITCH AS IT GOES SOUTH. NOW HERE'S THE CHALLENGE.

AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT. IT'S THERE. THAT DITCH IS THERE.

IT'S A DITCH. YOU WILL NOT FIND A DEFINED RIGHT OF WAY.

YOU WILL NOT FIND A DEFINED OWNERSHIP ENTITY. IT IS THERE.

PUBLIC HAS A STACK OF RIGHTS. THAT ALLOW IT TO CONTINUE. COULD IT USE SOME MAINTENANCE? YES. WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IS THAT? GOOD QUESTION.

THAT'S A COUNTY WE'LL ASK THE COUNTY. IT LIES WITHIN THE COUNTY'S JURISDICTION. WE'VE ALL LIVED AROUND US TO KNOW THE TALES OF WHITE CITY DRAINAGE. IT'S AN ADVENTURE IN THAT PART OF THE WORLD.

EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TELLING US THAT OUR RATES OF DISCHARGE ARE NOT GOING TO CAUSE A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON OUR PROPERTY NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OR NORTH.

THEY'RE REGULATED BY THEIR DISCHARGE. WE'RE REGULATED BY THE SAME SET OF RULES. WITH ALL THOSE DOWN THE SAME PATH.

>> OKAY. YOU TALKED ABOUT IT AND YOU BRIEFLY MENTIONED AND I MISSED THE SOLUTION TO THE EXISTING CONNECTION. I BELIEVE IT'S HIGH POINT

FLOWING INTO THIS PARCEL. >> IT'S A SMALL DEPRESSED AREA UP HERE WHERE WE TAKE SOME WATER IN. WE WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE THAT WATER IN.

THAT'S A NATURAL IN FLOW. THERE'S TWO PIPES THAT COME IN THROUGH THIS AREA HERE.

THIS RED INDICATION INDICATES A PORTION OF AN EXISTING WETLAND THAT WE WILL BE FILLING.

THIS IS THE WORST QUALITY WETLAND OUT OF THAT OVERALL WETLAND SYSTEM ITSELF.

THIS IS THE WORST STUFF UP HERE. HIGHEST LEVEL OF IMPACT. SO WHATEVER IS COMING THROUGH THIS AREA IN THIS LOWER CONDITION WILL BE CONTINUING TO COME THROUGH IN THE AFTER CONDITION. JUST A MATTER OF WHAT THE PIPE SIZES ARE.

>> IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE FOR NOT ONLY NUTRIENT LOADING BUT BECAUSE OF CONCERNS.

WE EVEN HEARD OTHER AGENDA ITEMS TONIGHT ABOUT DRAINAGE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I KNOW SOUTH FLORIDA CARES ABOUT THAT. LET'S MOVE OVER TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AT U.S. 1. YOU'VE GOT A LITTLE STORM WATER AREA THERE.

>> LET'S TALK ABOUT NUTRIENT RULES. THIS IS MORE DECORATIVE.

THIS IS A DECORATIVE LAKE. THIS IS THE REAL TREATMENT AREA. >> WEST ONE IS PRETTY.

THIS ONE IS WHERE WE DO BUSINESS. >> IT IS CONNECTED TO A SYSTEM HERE THAT I BELIEVE CONTINUES SOUTH BOUND THIS WAY. THERE'S NO WAY TO TIE THIS BACK INTO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN. AT LEAST THE PLANS THAT I HAVE SEEN.

I'LL DOUBLE CHECK IT. UNLESS SOMETHING'S CHANGED. CALL IT A SUBBASIN.

>> HOW MANY BASINS ARE IN THAT ZONE RIGHT THERE? >> I DON'T KNOW.

PROBABLY -- >> THESE WILL BE A STRING OF TWO FAMILY UNITS IN THROUGH HERE.

SO WE'VE GOT TWO, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT, TEN, 12. 12 UNITS OR SIX BILLINGS OF THE TWO FAMILY. THEN WE HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT,

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NINE, TEN, 11, 12. CALL IT 100 OR SO. 110.

I'M JUST DOING MATH REAL QUICK. THE STREAMS VARY. THERE'S SOME EIGHTS, FOURS, SIXES. JUST BECAUSE OF THE CURVE. BASED ON THIS SCALE, I CAN'T

GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC NUMBER. >> OKAY. WHILE THOSE PARCELS -- WE JUST RULED ON FUTURE LAND USE. I'M LOOKING FOR THE INTENSITY OF THAT WHOLE AREA.

SO WE HAVE SEVEN ACRES WITH COMBINED USES. I FORGET THE SIZE OF THE OTHER

ONE. >> CALL IT 4 1/2. >> THAT'S 11.

YOU HAVE HOW MANY UNITS IN THIS SEC SECTION?

>> CALL IT JUST FOR ROUND NUMBERS, CALL IT 120, 125. >> OUT OF 650?

>> YES. >> OVERALL IT'S 132. TAKING OUT 11.

CALL IT 120. >> OKAY. >> I'M USING ROUND NUMBERS.

>> IT'S YOUR TESTIMONY. NOT MINE. >> I KNOW.

I QUALIFY IT BY THAT. I WILL VERIFY THE NUMBERS PRIOR TO THE SECOND READING IF THERE'S

ANY QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. >> JUST TALKING OVERALL DRAINAGE. NUMBERS 128 ACRES. HOW MANY ACRES DO YOU HAVE AS

PERVIOUS AREA? >> I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE TABLES.

>> DO YOU HAVE THAT IN THE APPLI APPLICATION?

>> THEY WOULD BE IN THE SITE PLAN. >> THE ONE YOU WERE GOING TO

SHOW US? >> THE ONE IN THE OVERALL INFORMATION PACKAGE.

I ASSUME THAT'S PART OF YOUR GENERAL INFORMATION. >> IT IS.

IT'S JUST 121 PAGES. I DON'T LIKE LOADING THAT INFORMATION.

I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE THAT REALLY CARES. NOW I'M AGE 67, I LOOK AT THAT

DOCUMENT. >> I KNOW THERE'S A SHEET OR TWO OF A WHOLE BUNCH OF DETAILS IN

THERE BECAUSE I PUT THEM ALL IN THERE. >> WITH ANY DEVELOPMENT ESPECIALLY CONCERNING DEVELOPMENT CLOSE TO THE SAVANNAHS, WHAT ARE WE DOING TO HELP MOTHER NATURE IN GENERAL WITH NUTRIENT LOADING RUNOFF STORM WATER CONDITIONS? WHAT ARE WE DOING IN THIS PROJECT THAT'S GIVING US, LIKE YOU SAID, WE COULD GO TO THIS LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT BUT WE'RE NOT. SO TALK TO ME ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THIS PROJECT THAT MAKES IT SPECIFICALLY ADVANTAGEOUS. WE'RE TREATING SOME OF OUR --

>> WE'RE SETTING ASIDE THIS CENTRAL CORE OF OUR PARCEL HERE WHICH IS A COMBINATION OF WETLAND HABITAT SYSTEM THAT WE'LL BE ROUTING OUR STORM WATERS THROUGH.

ROUTING IT THROUGH THAT MIXED HABITAT COMMUNITY WHICH TECHNICALLY IT'S A WETLAND.

THAT WILL ALLOW FOR AN ASIMULATION OF NUTRIENTS INTO VEGETATION, TREE VEGETATION, BEFORE THOSE SUSPENDED NUTRIENTS ARE DISCHARGED INTO TEN MILE CREEK AND CREATING ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS DOWN THERE. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT PLANTS AND SUCH LIFE LIKE NI NIT NITROGEN. THEY WILL PICK UP THAT INFORMATION TO THEIR -- I'LL USE THE WRONG TERM. THEIR ECOLOGICAL SYSTEM AND IT WILL HELP THEM. AS IT GOES THROUGH THE SAVANNAHS, MAIN THING WE'RE GOING ON THAT, WE'RE STAYING AWAY FROM IT. OTHER THAN AFFORDING RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A PATH TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AMENITIES THERE.

NAMELY THE EAST COAST TRAIL. OUR DRAINAGE IS ALL INTERNAL. IT GOES INTO THE LAKES AND WORKS ITS WAY BACK OUT TO THE SYSTEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOU DIRECTLY.

HAVING MOTHER NATURE CLEAN THEM BEFORE WE KICK THEM OFF THE PROPERTY.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. >> ARE YOU DONE?

>> SURE. >> YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING THE INTERNAL PART OF THAT.

THAT'S STAYING AS IT IS. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? >> ONLY THING WE'RE DOING, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS GRAPHIC AND THIS AREA THROUGH HERE, THAT IS OUR NATURE TRAIL THAT WE GO THROUGH. WE'LL HAVE TWO SMALL BRIDGES THAT WILL CROSS THAT WETLAND TRAIL. THEN THIS LOOP TRAIL WILL PROVIDE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY A HIKING AND/OR BIKING AND/OR WALKING AND/OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO GO AND DO THROUGH

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THAT. THOSE ARE THE ONLY DIRECT IMPACTS THAT WE'RE HAVING, OTHER

THAN THE POINT UP HERE INTO THAT WETLAND SYSTEM. >> OKAY.

>> FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> ONE MORE.

>> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. >> IN YOUR PRESENTATION, DID YOU SHOW OR TALK ABOUT ANY AREAS OF IMPACT IN MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT YOU ARE MAKING? DO YOU HAVE ANY MITIGATION

IMPACT? >> YES, WE WILL. WE WILL BE IMPACTING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WETLANDS. IF YOU CAN SEE IN THESE BLUE AREAS, THERE ARE SOME HIGHLY IMPACTED WETLANDS THAT EXIST ON THE SITE. WE WILL BE MITIGATING THOSE.

MITIGATION WILL BE DONE, I BELIEVE IT WILL BE DONE OFF SITE.

WE'LL GET SOME CREDIT FOR ENHANCEMENTS HERE. ANYTHING WE HAVE TO DO WILL BE AN OFF SITE MITIGATION. MITIGATION BANK OR HOWEVER WE WORK IT OUT WITH THE DISTRICT.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? GREAT. YOU CAN SIT DOWN NOW. IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THEN I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I MAY ASK YOU TO COME BACK AT

THE END. >> I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP.

>> OKAY. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, SO MAKE YOUR IMPORTANT POINTS FIRST.

>> I REPRESENT TWO COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS. MAYBE I'LL BEG SIX MINUTES FROM YOU. DAVID EARL. I REPRESENT THE COMMUNITIES ASSOCIATIONS TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THIS PROJECT. LET ME GET RIGHT TO THE HEART OF IT. DRAINAGE IS THE ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN IT OR NOT, BUT THIS IS THE MAY 18 CORRESPONDENCE TO THE APPLICANT FROM THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT IN THE RECORD.

I'LL SUBMIT IT. IT'S GOT 39 POINTS OF INQUIRY, ALL REQUESTING MORE SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION FROM THEM WITH REGARD TO HOW THEY PROPOSE TO MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK.

NOTHING THAT I HAVE HEARD HERE AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND IN MY REVIEW, I WONDER HOW READY WE ARE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, CERTAINLY FROM MY CLIENT'S PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THE TABLE FOR US TO MAKE A VALUED JUDGMENT.

AS FAR AS GATOR TRACE GOES, THERE'S NO AGREEMENT FOR ACCESS THROUGH UTILITIES THROUGH OUR PROPERTY YET. WE HAVEN'T AGREED TO ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO THE BERM.

THAT'S BECAUSE EVEN ASKING TONIGHT WHERE'S THE BERM GOING TO BE? WHAT'S THE BERM GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS? HOW WILL IT WORK? HOW WILL THE WATER FLOW? WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC INFORMATION FROM WHICH TO MAKE A DECISION. THE BERM, AT LEAST TONIGHT, THE GENTLE MAN HAS VERY FRANKLY TOLD YOU IT WILL BE LOCATED ON SOUTH PART OF PROPERTY THEY DON'T OWN ON THE KENNY LAND, FOR WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE, FOR WHICH THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED APPROVAL. GATOR TRACE MASTER ASSOCIATION IS NOT IN FAVOR AND HAS CONVEYED TO THEM WE ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF A LARGE BERM ON THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE EFFECTS ON OUR PROPERTY. THAT AREA ALREADY BECAUSE OF THE LOCATION OF THE WETLAND IS SUBJECT TO WETNESS AND FLOODING. THIS IS GONNA TAKE A LOT OF INVESTIGATION AND DISCUSSION BEFORE WE COME TO SOME AGREEMENT. SOME FOLKS IN OUR SECTOR ARE SUGGESTING A BERM IS THE PROPER THING TO DO, A CANAL WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE.

BUT IF YOU COME DOWN TO THE BASICS OF THIS, WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS SRVACANT LAND.

THERE'S NO DRAINAGE PLAN ON THAT LAND NOW, REALLY. THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE A DRAINAGE PLAN FOR THIS ENTIRE PIECE THAT FLOWS INTO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PLANS WHATSOEVER THAT SHOW US HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK, WHAT IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE MADE OFF THEIR SITE THAT NEED TO BE REFERENCED ON ANY APPROVALS GIVEN BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE BERM ON ANY OF THESE PLANS, WHICH ARE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN ANY DEVELOPMENT INCLUDED IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. ARE WE READY FOR THIS? THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION. TO COME AND ASK FOR ALL THESE IMPORTANT THINGS AND LAY THE GROUND STEPS TO MOVE FORWARD, THESE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED.

THIS INFORMATION NEEDS TO BE CONVEYED. IT'S NOT HERE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> IS THAT MY TIME? >> THAT'S YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> THAT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT, MAYOR.

>> AND I APPRECIATE THAT. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND WERE YOU SWORN IN? LET US KNOW. OK

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OKAY. >> RETIRED HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER. >> CAN YOU SAY YOUR NAME.

>> AURAO MATA, MIDDLE INITIAL A. RETIRED HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER, FORT PIERCE HIGH SCHOOL.

HIGH POINT IS THE POINT. I STILL HAVEN'T UNDERSTOOD HOW WILD LIFE IS GOING TO BE PROTECTED BY ALL OF THESE DISCHARGES. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE ALL THIS WATER IS GOING, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO IT, WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE AQUIFER IF THEY USE MORE AND MORE WATER. WE ALREADY HAVE TONS OF DEVELOPMENT IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

I WAS GONE FOR EIGHT MONTHS. I COME BACK AND SAY, WHAT HAPPENED HERE? I DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE THE PLACE. TERRIBLE.

I USED TO BE DCF. I'M SO CONCERNED WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO THE WILD LIFE, TO OUR AQUIFER. 650 UNITS WITH TWO CARS PER UNIT.

IF THEY HAVE TEENAGERS, EVEN MORE CAR. THAT'S OVER 1,300 VEHICLES COMING OUT OF DICKSON DRIVE. DO NOT TELL ME THAT ONE LIGHT IS GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT.

THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MAKE YOUR MOST IMPORTANT POINT FIRST, PLEASE. >> MY WIFE AND I OWN THE

PROPERTY -- >> WERE YOU SWORN IN? I THINK I SAW YOU STAND UP.

THANK YOU. >> MY WIFE AND I OWN THE PROPERTY, THE BUSINESS PROPERTY THAT'S RIGHT BY THE ENTRANCE OF DICKSON. NAME OF THE COMPANY GOLF CARTS AND TRAILERS. WE'RE THE GOLF CART PLACE. BIG BLUE BUILDING WITH THE STRIPE. WE'RE INTERESTED IN WHAT'S GOING ON.

ALL THE CONSTRUCTION OFF DICKSON IS RIGHT ON MY DRIVEWAY. IT'S GOING TO HAVE IS A BIG IMPACT. WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT. LESLIE, WE'VE ASKED MS. COLESON

TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. >> WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. WHAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES? OKAY. LESLIE -- I KNOW YOU. YEAH.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FAIR. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION. LESLIE OLSEN WITH DISTRICT PLANNING GROUP, 130 SOUTH INDIAN

RIVER DRIVE HERE IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE. >> YOU WERE SWORN?

>> I WAS SWORN. SO THIS EVENING I AM HONORED TO REPRESENT BOTH HOUSTONS WITH WILL GOLF GOLF CARTS A LONGSTANDING SUCCESSFUL COUPLE WHO HAVE BUILT THIS COMPANY UP AND IT IS CONTINUING TO EXPAND. SO WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THEM AND I'M HONORED TO REPRESENT THEM TONIGHT. AS BILL MENTIONED, THEY ARE ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF DICKSON AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS YOU SAW TONIGHT ARE FOR THE SOUTHEAST CORNERS.

DIXON DRIVE IS GOING TO BE REALIGNED. AT FIRST I THOUGHT, THAT COULD BE BAD. THEN I LOOKED AT THE DESIGN. I THINK THEY'VE DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB WITH THIS REALIGNMENT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A NETS A AESTHETIC INVESTMENT.

IT IS GOING TO LOOK GOOD. IT IS GOING TO INCREASE THEIR PROPERTY VALUE.

OUR ONLY REASON FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT IS THERE'S ONE SMALL TWEAK THAT WE HAVE MET WITH CULPEPPER AND HAVE ASKED FOR AND HAVE GOTTEN SOME CONCEPTUAL AGREEMENT FOR.

THE SECOND DRIVE WAY ON DICKSON DRIVE, WHICH YOU CAN BARELY SEE HERE.

WE WANT THAT TO BE REALIGNED JUST SLIGHTLY TO THE WEST FOR A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL FOR ROBAR. THEY HAVE A TWO BUSINESSES ON THEIR PROPERTY.

THEY HAVE A THE GOLF CART COMPANY AND THEY ALSO HAVE A HIGH QUALITY COUNTY APPROVED, BECAUSE THAT'S UNINCORPORATED ST. LUCIE COUNTY. COUNTY APPROVED RV AND BOAT STORAGE BACK THERE. SO IN THE FUTURE, THEY MAY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE THAT SITE TO SELL THEM OFF SEPARATELY, IN WHICH CASE THEY'LL NEED TO ACCESS THEIR PROPERTY.

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I HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH DAVID HAYES AT THE COUNTY'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE OF RELOCATING THE EXISTING GOLF CART DRIVE WAY ON DICKSON WHICH IS REALLY VERY CLOSE TO U.S. 1 FARTHER TO THE EAST FOR A NEW ACCESS. I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE INTO THE RECORD, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, AN OVERLAY THAT OVERLAYS THE ROGAR CONCEPT PLAN WITH THIS ONE.

WE'RE INTRODUCING IT SIMPLY TO ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT ON THE NEXT HEARING FOR THIS REALIGNMENT AND

TO ENTER INTO THE RECORD HOW THESE LINE UP. >> IS IT OFFICER SPOTS?

>> CAN BE EITHER ONE. YOU CAN PICK YOUR OFFICER. >> THAT IS HOW WE HAVE TO REQUEST. IT'S A SIMPLE DRIVE WAY REALIGNMENT.

WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE AND JUST LOOK FOR YOUR SUPPORT

TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> CAN I CONFIRM WHICH PARCEL? SECOND PARCEL ON DICKSON? >> SO THE ROBAR PARCEL IS ONE PARCEL ON DICKSON. IT IS THE NORTHEAST CORNER PARCEL.

SO THE FIRST PARCEL ON DICKSON. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S SOUTHERN ACCESS.

VERY VERY CLOSE TO U.S. 1. IT WILL BE REALIGNED WITH THIS TO MOVE FARTHER TO THE EAST AND

GET AWAY FROM U.S. 1 A LITTLE BIT. >> THANK YOU.

>> YES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS OLSEN. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION?

PLEASE COME UP. SHE'LL DO IT FOR YOU RIGHT NOW. >> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR, AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> MY NAME IS SUE QUAINT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. IT'S CLEAR FROM MR. MURPHY'S PRESENTATION THAT A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT AND PLANNING HAS GONE INTO THIS PROJECT. I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT.

OUR CONCERN THAT HAS BEEN VOICED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, HOWEVER, IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THIS BE ADDRESSEDED A KWAEULTLY BECAUSE WE ALREADY TAKE WATER FROM THIS LAND WHEN THERE ARE HEAVY RAINS. AND SO MR. MURPHY STATED THAT RATE OF DISCHARGE CANNOT EXCEED RATE OF PREDEVELOPMENT. I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT IS THE STANDARD.

IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE HOW ADDING ALL OF THIS IMPERVIOUS COVER, ROADS, SIDEWALKS, ETC, IT WOULD CLEARLY CREATE A LOT MORE RUNOFF AND A LOT MORE WATER, AND I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT COMING UP WITH A PLAN THAT IS COMPLETELY ADEQUATE, WHICH I PERSONALLY QUESTION WHETHER THE BERM IS. THAT IS REALLY CRITICAL BEFORE THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE? >> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

I HAVE A DRAINAGE CANAL AT THE END OF DICKSON DRIVE. THE LAKE THAT'S THERE.

GENTLE MAN HERE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT. HE WAS VERY GENERAL ABOUT HOW THAT LAKE WOULD NOT IMPACT THE DRAINAGE CANAL. PBUT I FEEL AS THOUGH THAT DRAINAGE CANAL WOULD BE VERY HIGHLY IMPACTED BY THAT WATER. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO PLEASE

ADDRESS THAT AT SOME TIME. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

BEFORE I CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF THE APPLICANT WILL COME BACK.

YOU HEARD SOME OF THE -- CAN YOU ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP?

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR I CAN. LET ME DO THE EASY ONE FIRST. THE SITE ACCESS.

WE HAVE MET WITH MS. OLSON. TALKED ABOUT LOCATION ISSUES. FRANKLY, THE DRIVE WAY LOCATIONS ARE A FUNCTION OF THE COUNTY. THIS IS THEIR ROAD. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH

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ADJUSTING IT. WE'VE ALREADY DONE SOME PRELIMINARY ADJUSTMENTS TO IT THAT I THINK WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. ONE CAVEAT I WILL PUT INTO IT, IT IS SUBJECT TO FINAL COUNTY APPROVAL. THAT SAID, WE'LL GO FROM THERE. THE ISSUES ABOUT DRAINAGE AND LEVELS OF CONSTRUCTION PLAN, KIND OF A BROAD BIG PICTURE ISSUE.

THAT KIND OF GETS TO A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN.

THOSE OF US WHO HAVE ENGAGED IN THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS ON ALL SIDES KNOW THIS IS, BY ITS VERY NATURE, A STEP BY STEP PROCESS. THERE ARE MANY STEPS WE MUST GO THROUGH. THIS IS WHAT I LIKE TO CALL THE MAGIC MARKER STAGE.

THINGS ARE STILL CHANGING A LITTLE BIT. WE WORK WITH THE BASIC PRINCIPLES SO THAT WHEN YOU, AS THE GOVERNING BODY, ULTIMATELY COME IN AND GRANT PD APPROVAL, THAT YOU'RE INCLUDING WITH THAT SITE PLAN AND SPECIFIC CONDITIONS/EXPECTATIONS THAT WE ARE TO MEET DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING PROCESS. NOW, YES, WE ARE DOING CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING RIGHT NOW. WE'RE ON PARALLEL COURSES SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE ON AS A FAIRLY GOOD PACE. WE CAN GET YOU THE INFORMATION CONC CONCEPTUALLY. I CAN'T CONTEST TO THAT BEING FINAL. IF YOU SAY WE HAVE TO DO FULL CONSTRUCTION PLANS, WELL, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT PROCESS. HISTORICALLY, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN BIG PICTURE, BIG CONCEPTS, AGREE TO DETAILS, AGREE TO GENERAL DETAILS, THEN YOU COME IN AND WORK OUT THE FINE POINTS.

WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH LIMITED CONDITIONS ON THE SITE PLAN WITH THE CHANGE IN ZONING AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH CITY STAFF WORKING OUT TIMING ISSUES AND WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO.

THE ISSUES ABOUT DRAINAGE, THIS IS, MY UNDERSTANDING THIS IS THE FIRST OF TWO REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE WILL BE HAVING OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING JULY 5.

I WILL ASSURE YOU ALL AND ASSURE THOSE BEHIND ME AS WELL THAT PRIOR TO THAT MEETING, WE ARE AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH ANYONE TO GO OVER THE DETAILS OF THE PLAN, TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. HOPEFULLY WE'LL SHOW IT WON'T BE AS DETRIMENTAL AS SOME THINK IT WILL BE. I UNDERSTAND FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN.

I APPRECIATE THE FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN. I LIVE WITH THAT.

ONCE WE SIT DOWN AND WALK EVERYONE THROUGH, YOU'LL FIND OUT EVERYTHING IS COMING TOGETHER WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. AS FOR THE WILD LIFE, WE DID DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT.

WE WILL BE DOING OUR PRECONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES. WE WILL BE DOING ALL THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO TAKE CARE OF THE WILD LIFE. WE ARE SPREFRBING APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE SITE IS A DEFINITE POSITIVE TO MAINTAINING HABITAT AND COMMUNITY.

TO THAT END, I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THIS FIRST READING AND THAT WE COME BACK ON THE 5TH AND I WILL COORDINATE WITH YOUR STAFF ANYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS. IF ANYTHING COMES UP OVER THE NEXT WEEK OR THREE THAT YOU WANT US TO ADDRESS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LET US KNOW AND I WILL ENDEAVOR TO GET YOU THE RIGHT

ANSWERS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

TIME FOR OUR DISCUSSION. COMMIS COMMISSIONERS.

>> WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS AND THE WHOLE PROCESS, IT FELT TO ME LIKE WE WERE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME AND ETC.

WE'VE DONE THIS TIME BEFORE WHERE WE'VE APPROVED THESE TOP LEVEL PLANS, MOVING FORWARD, ZONED IT APPROPRIATELY AND SOMEHOW IN BETWEEN THE COMMITTEES OF THE BUILDING PERMIT BEING ISSUED, THE TECHNICAL REVIEW AND ALL OF THOSE THAT REALLY DIG INTO THE REAL NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS CO-WORK. THAT'S OUR FAIL SAFE TO BE ABLE TO CATCH THINGS THAT -- THERE'S ONLY ONE ENGINEER UP HERE ON THIS PANEL.

RIGHT. WE ALL LEND OUR LEVELS OF EXPERTISE.

WE ALSO REACT TO WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC. I GUESS I PUT MYSELF IN THE PUBLIC'S SHOES. IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

THIS IS A PROCESS THAT GOES THROUGH MANY FAIL SAFES THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BRING THIS BACK AND ALLOW FOR US TO REACT ON IT. I WANT TO SAY THAT PUBLICLY. I ALSO WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE

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DEVELOPER TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. TO ME IT APPEARS LIKE THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE TO TALK TO AND ENGAGE AND MAKE SURE THOSE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED TO THE FULL EXTENT THAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE BEFORE WE GET BACK HERE AGAIN.

I THINK WE'RE ALL GONNA DO THAT. FOR ONE, I'LL PROBABLY GO DOWN THAT ROAD.

I HAVE BEEN OVER THERE BUT I HAVE NOT BEEN DOWN THAT ACTUAL ROAD TO TAKE A LOOK AND GET A FEEL FOR MYSELF. THIS HAS BEEN A YEAR AND A HALF. WE STARTED WITH THE WHOLE CDD PROCESS AND NOW WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. I JUST WANT TO ASSURE THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, AT LEAST I AM, TO MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND THIS.

THERE'S FAIL SAFE IN HERE TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T IMPACT COMMUNITIES, IMPACT ENVIRONMENT, IMPACT THESE THINGS. IT SOUNDS TO ME SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS A BIG PIECE OF THIS THING THAT COULD SHUT THE WHOLE THING DOWN PERIOD, BASED ON WHAT THEY WILL SAY. THAT'S A FAIL SAFE THAT I INTERPRET WHEN I LOOK AT THIS TO SAY, HEY, I'M A COMMISSIONER. THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS THAT DO THIS EACH AND EVERY DAY AND THEY WILL HAVE THE ULTIMATE FINAL SAY SO. WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS ONE OF THOSE THAT WILL BE A FAIL SAFE. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? I, TOO, THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH SOMETHING THAT -- I'M GLAD THE PUBLIC IS HERE AND RAISING THESE CONCERNS, BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE ALL OF FLORIDA, RIGHT, IS BECOMING MORE CROWDED. WE ALL NEED TO WORRY ABOUT RESILIENCE. RESILIENCE IS IMPORTANT TO WORRY ABOUT IN OUR STATE.

WE'VE BEEN A VERY ATTRACTIVE STATE. THEY SAY 1,000 PEOPLE A DAY ARE MOVING TO FLORIDA. THIS STATE WAS NEVER MEANT TO HANDLE AS MUCH AS IT HAS SO WE'VE GOT TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH AS SMARTLY AS WE CAN. BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE THINGS, LIKE THAT WAS MENTIONED AGREEMENTS WITH GATOR TRACE. I'M NOT SURE WHEN THEY COME IN THE PROCESS. I KNOW A VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS IS TO BUILD THE SITE PLAN AND BILLING DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY DECIDE HAS TO HAPPEN. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GUARD AGAINST MUCH OF THIS. I UNDERSTAND FROM THE PLANNING BOARD, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE BERM. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT AS A CONDITION.

I'LL START WITH THE STAFF OF THE FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BECAUSE THEY ARE, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, OUR BEST PROTECTION FOR RESILIENCE IN OUR STATE, THE DIFFERENT WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS. AND SO I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO TAKE ALL OF THESE CONCERNS INTO OUR DECISION AND UNDERSTAND. I THOUGHT IT WAS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT THIS WAS APPROVED -- THIS IS ALREADY APPROVED AND COULD HAVE MUCH MORE DENSITY ON IT, MUCH MORE THAN IT IS NOW.

WHAT HAPPENS IN FLORIDA SOMETIMES, AND I HAVE SEEN IT OVER THE TIME THAT I HAVE BEEN MAYOR, PEOPLE MOVE SOMEPLACE WHERE THERE IS VACANT LAND NEXT TO THEM AND WE ALL GET USED TO IT AND DON'T REALIZE AT SOME POINT SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE PUT THERE.

I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WAS COMPARATIVELY NEW NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF VACANT LOTS. I LIKE IT WITH A LOT OF VACANT LOTS.

BUT I KNOW THOSE HOMES ARE COMING. THEY ARE COMING BECAUSE IT'S ALL PERMITTED AND IT'S PLOTTED AND IT'S ALL BEEN THERE. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN

HERE? >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHERE THIS AREA IS IN RELATION TO FORT PIERCE. I REMEMBER WHEN HIGH POINT WAS BEING BUILT.

I WAS A LOT YOUNGER THEN. IT'S ON THAT SAME RIDGE IN A SENSITIVE AREA.

THERE'S A LOT OF WATER. LOT OF ANIMALS. LOT OF EVERYTHING GOING ON.

THE DEVELOPERS WENT IN THERE AND DID HIGH POINT ONE AND TWO. THEY KEPT BUILDING IT.

BECAME ITS OWN CITY. SAME THING WITH GATOR TRACE. THOSE FOLKS WENT IN.

THEY BUILT GOLF COURSES. THEY DID EVERYTHING THEY COULD. NOW WE HAVE THIS VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD ON IT.

I AGREE DENSITY IS A BIG ISSUE WITH ME. IT'S ALLOWED THAT YOU COULD TRIPLE THE DENSITY ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY PROBLEM AT ALL.

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I THINK, THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE SENSITIVITIES OF THE LOCATION RIGHT NOW AND TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. ALSO HOW IT FITS IN WITH THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA. I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE ANSWERS IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. I AGREE WITH THE FOLKS ON THE PLANNING BOARD. THEY LIKE THE IDEA BUT THERE ARE ALL THESE UNCHECKED BOXES THAT HAVE TO BE CHECKED BEFORE FINAL AUTHORITY IS GIVEN. SEEMS LIKE THE CART GOT PUT IN FRONT OF THE HORSE ON THIS. BUT THIS IS PART OF OUR PROCESS. WE'RE JUST ONE OF THE HURDLES.

WE'RE NOT A BIG HURDLE. I THINK WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT, THAT'S A BIG HURDLE. I THINK THERE'S OTHER HURDLES DOWN THE LINE JUST IN THIS PROCESS. WHEN I TAKE A LOOK AT THE WHOLE AREA, IF I HAD A CHANCE TO GO BACK 70 YEARS AGO, WE WOULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ELSE WITH THIS WHOLE PROPERTY.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT IS. WE'VE ALREADY BUILT ON IT. IT'S ALREADY PART OF WHO WE ARE.

MOVING IT FURTHER DOWN THE LINE IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO WITH THE THOUGHT THAT ALL THESE ANSWERS, ALL THESE BOXES HAVE TO GET CHECKED. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE -- THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPACTS. EVEN DEVELOPER'S REPRESENTATIVE STOOD UP AND SAID WE HAVE ALL THE IMPACTS HANDLED. BUT, AS WE ALL KNOW LIVING IN FLORIDA, THE NORM ISN'T ALWAYS THE NORM. I STILL HAVE, ON A LITTLE DRIVE WHEN WE HAD A SUPERFLOODING OF SAVANNAH AND HIGH POINT, AND DRIVING THROUGH THERE. TOOK MOVIES OF IT SEVER YEARS BACK. I COULDN'T BELIEVE THIS HAPPENED IN MY OWN COMMUNITY.

IT CAN HAPPEN EVERY SO OFTEN. CAN'T PLAN FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

YOU CAN DO THE BEST YOU CAN FOR EVERY DAY USAGE AND RAINFALLS. BUT HIT BY A COUPLE HURRICANES IN A ROW, WHICH WE'VE ALL BEEN THROUGH BEFORE, AND IT'S A GAME CHANGER.

I BELIEVE IT'S UP TO US NOW TO IDENTIFY THOSE SITUATIONS AND THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AND MOVE THIS TO THE NEXT LEVEL. I REALLY BELIEVE THE BIG PARTY WILL BE ON THE SECOND READING WHEN ALL THOSE ISSUES HAVE TO BE SPOKE ABOUT AND HAVE TO BE

CONSIDERED AND SOLVED. >> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

THE CART IS IN FRONT OF THE HORSE. SOME BOXES ARE JUST NOT CHECKED.

I UNDERSTAND THE SAFE GUARDS OF THIS PROCEDURE NOW. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THE UNCHECKED BOXES. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT NOT REVIEWING SOME OF THE PERMITS AND APPLICATIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER LIKE MY COLLEAGUE TO THE LEFT OF ME, BUT I ALSO TRIED TO PULL UP THE PAGES AND REVIEW THE PAGES.

MAYBE I MISSED IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEE THE PAGE WITH THE CONCERN FROM THE SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. MAYBE I JUST MISSED IT. I DIDN'T SEE THAT.

39 I THINK THE GENTLE MAN SAID 39 QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, THAT BOTHERS ME.

LIKE I SAID, I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS. I KNOW THEY HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE SHOVEL GOES TO GROUND. BUT EVEN AT THIS STAGE I HAVE

SOME CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR.

>> YOU'RE FLANKED BY ENGINEERS. >> APOLOGIZE. I'M FLANKED BY TWO ENGINEERS.

>> YOU'RE SAFE. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> SO THERE'S MULTIPLE FACETS TO THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT PAPER WAS E-MAILED TO ME. THEY REFERENCED IT TONIGHT WITH ALL THE CONDITIONS.

IT WAS E-MAILED TO ME FROM THE PUBLIC, AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

I DIDN'T CHECK TO SEE WHO ALL GOT IT. THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS.

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WE TALKED ABOUT AND I HEARD CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CANAL ITSELF TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY WHETHER IT'S OWNED OR NOT OWNED OR MAINTAINED BY ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

THE OUTFALL BEING IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER MAKES SENSE. BUT THEN IT'S GOING TO FLOW WESTERLY. IT IS GOING TO FLOW WEST THROUGH PARTS OF OUR CITY.

PART OF THE TESTIMONY THROUGH THE CREEK INTO AREA OF THE ST. LUCIE RIVER.

ALL OF THOSE ANALYTICS HAVE TO COME INFO PLAY AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WATER JUST STACKS UP IN THIS WHOLE AREA? COMMISSIONER PERONA TALKED ABOUT SOME HISTORIC EVENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. I HEARD HIM SAY THAT JUST A SECOND AGO.

LET'S GO BACK TO THE TESTIMONY PART. I ALSO HEARD THE APPLICANT TALK ABOUT, AND I HAVE ASKED SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS ON IF WEST SIDE VERSUS THE EAST SIDE. THERE IS A CANAL IN BETWEEN. ALSO HEARD TESTIMONY FROM AN ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER THAT'S REQUESTED A DRIVE WAY REALIGNMENT.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. WE'RE ALWAYS TRYING TO IMPROVE DRIVE WAY CONNECTIONS IN OUR CITY. ESPECIALLY AT SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS.

IT'S GOING TO BECOME AN ENHANCEMENT FOR THAT INTERSECTION.

WE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT THEY'RE EXCITED FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY FOR AN ENHANCEMENT. THERE'S NO DOUBT. ALL OF US HAVE DRIVEN BY THERE.

CAN USE A LITTLE LIFT. THIS APPLICATION DOES THAT. LET'S DIG INTO THE NUMBERS.

WHEN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE UNITS, MAYBE 15% TO 20% ARE GOING TO BE ON THAT U.S. 1 CORRIDOR SIDE. REMAINING 500 PLUS, 525 UNITS OR SO, BASED ON THE APPLICANT TESTIFYING, IT WAS AN ESTIMATE, BEING ON THE EAST SIDE. THEY'VE MITIGATED SOME OF THE IMPACT JUST IN THAT CALCULATION, RIGHT? IN THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT.

I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT PART OF IT. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD FOOTPRINT ON A VERY CHALLENGING PIECE OF PROPERTY. NO DOUBT THAT PROBABLY THOSE THAT DEVELOPED GATOR TRACE YEARS AGO SAID, I'M NOT GONNA GO THAT WAY YET BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON THAT TASK. I'M MAKING AN ASSUMPTION. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD AMENITIES. THEN THERE'S THE COMPONENT THAT OUR STAFF LOOKS AT ABOUT HOUSING AND FOLKS COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY, DEVELOPMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN I TALK TO STAFF ABOUT IT, THAT'S ALWAYS A DISCUSSION POINT.

THIS IS PROVIDING SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. I THINK THERE ARE SOME PARTS AND PIECES. I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT THE BERM PART.

WE'VE HEARD LIKE A PING PONG MATCH ON THE BERM. I CAN TELL YOU FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, POSSIBLE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS FROM JUST CREATING A BERM.

WE DON'T KNOW. THE ENGINEERING FIRM HAS TO TELL US THAT.

THE PLANNING BOARD HAD A GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. DOES IT MAKE SENSE? I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN TELL FROM COMMON SENSE LOGIC, IF YOU BUILD UP ONE AREA HIGHER THAN ANOTHER AREA THAT'S LOWER, SOMETHING GOES ON WITH THAT.

I HEARD THAT TESTIMONY TONIGHT. WHAT ELSE DID I HEAR? DESIGN LEVEL STORMS, THEN 100 YEAR STORMS, BIG STORMS THAT CREATE ISSUES AND FLOODING. I'M EXCITED.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PROJECT.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. WE'VE GOT SOMETIME TO CONSIDER.

WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR A REASON. IT'S TO ADDRESS COMMENTS UP FRONT, TO START YOUR PROCESS. ANY DEVELOPMENT COMES THROUGH, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DESIGN THE ENTIRE PROJECT BECAUSE THAT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DO DOLLARS.

TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ALLOWANCES OF THE ZONING AND THE PARCEL THAT'S HERE.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU, WHILE I CAN SUPPORT A MOTION OF APPROVAL TONIGHT FOR THE FIRST STAGE, I'M GONNA TELL YOU THAT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S A LAUNDRY LIST OF ITEMS FOR THIS PROJECT TO BRING

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ANSWERS TO, A VERY LARGE LAUNDRY LIST. IT'S NOT A LAUNDRY LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT WE NORMALLY DEAL WITH. IT'S JUST NOT NORMAL FOR US IN THESE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS. THIS IS JUST DIFFERENT. WE HEARD THE RESIDENTS TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK YOUR COMMISSIONERS, ALL OF US, ARE TAKING NOTE IN HEARING WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE. THERE NEEDS TO BE FURTHER ANALYTICS AND DESIGN PRIMERS THAT HAVE TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD. PROBABLY SOMEWHERE GREATER THAN WHAT WE'RE USED TO IN A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. HAS TO BE. BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVITY OF THIS LAND, WILD LIFE, MITIGATION, HOW WE'RE GOING TO REMEDY POTENTIAL IMPACT, OR ARE WE CREATING SOME OTHER BUFFER SYSTEM? MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE BY FORCING DIFFERENT FLOW PATTERNS THAT WE'RE HELPING OURSELVES AND OUR FELLOW NEIGHBORS. THAT'S WHERE I STAND AT THIS POINT.

>> OKAY. IS ANYBODY PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> I HAVE A COMMENT. THIS, UNLIKE THE OTHER DECISIONS WE MADE, WERE COVERED UNDER A QUASI-JUDICIAL. WE HAVE TO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO DENY WHAT'S GOING ON. IT'S NOT AS EASY AS LEGISLATIVE, WHICH WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE OF THE FLOW. I'M THINKING ON THE SAME LINE AS COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON.

TO MOVE TO IT THE NEXT LEVEL. IN THE FINAL READING, WHEN WE HAVE THE FINAL PRESENTATION, WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED AND HAVE ANSWERS TO GO ALONG WITH THEM.

AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME, WE CAN IDENTIFY HOW IT RELATES TO THE HEALTH, WELFARE, SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY AND COME UP WITH A MOTION THAT EITHER SUPPORTS IT BECAUSE OF THAT OR DENIES IT BECAUSE OF THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT OUR CHARGE IS.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF "IFS" AND A LOT OF "MAYBES." THE NEXT HEARING I EXPECT TO HAVE ALL THOSE BOXES MARKED AND ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S SATISFACTORY TO MAKE A QUASI-JUDICIAL DECISION BASED ON FACTS.

>> GOOD POINT. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE NEXT REVIEW OF THIS, I HOPE THE PUBLIC COMES BACK TO THIS CHAMBER AND TALKS ABOUT IT WITH US.

NEXT IS LEGISLATIVE AND NOT QUASI OR IS IT QUASI? >> TYPICALLY FIRST READING IS WHERE WE TAKE ALL OF THE TESTIMONY AND CLOSE THE HEARING AND THAT'S IT.

SECOND READING IS JUST THAT. A SECOND READING. ALTHOUGH THERE IS PRESENTATION -- THERE COULD BE PRESENTATION. THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT. ONE PROCEDURAL THING I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT.

IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS AN OPTION.

YOU CERTAINLY CAN'T CONTINUE A MATTER INDEFINITELY WHILE YOU WAIT FOR ANY STATE BOARD OR COMMISSION OR ANY DECISIONS. OUR CODE DOES GIVE YOU ONE OPTION THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER EXERCISING. IF YOU LOOK AT ZONING CODE WHERE IT REFERENCES PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING, SECTION 125212, IT DIRECTS THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHICH IS WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN BEFORE YOU NOW AT THE TIME OF MAKING THE REZONING DECISION.

YOU HAVE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT AND YOU ALL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. SAME SUBSECTION REFERS YOU TO SECTION 125313 WHICH PERMITS -- WHICH STATES THE COMMISSION SHALL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON APPROVING A SITE PLAN. IT SAYS DURING THE PUBLIC COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL MAY CONTINUE TO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PURPOSE. CONTINUATION SHALL BE ANNOUNCED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, NOT MORE THAN ONE CONTINUANCE SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THIS PURPOSE.

THE COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO VOTE TO CONTINUE THE MATTER TO A DATE CERTAIN.

PUTTING IT OUT THERE JUST SO THAT YOU ALL KNOW IT IS AN OPTION.

IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A SITUATION WHERE WE CAN KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOREVER.

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>> THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL. >> YES, MA'AM. >> THE CONTINUANCE, HOW WOULD

THAT LOOK? >> IT WOULD LOOK LIKE SOMETHING LIKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING TO A DATE CERTAIN. YOU COULD POSSIBLY HAVE ALL THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND WE COULD HAVE THE READING AT THAT SAME DATE.

>> WHAT I'M ASKING YOU, DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THE PROCESS WE WENT THROUGH TONIGHT?

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AN AMENDED PROCESS, CORRECT? >> IT WOULD BE A CONTINUATION OF THE HEARING. EVERYTHING YOU HEARD, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY IT ALL OVER AGAIN. IT WOULD JUST BE WHATEVER IS NEW TO PRESENT.

>> THAT WAS MY CONCERN AND MY TREPIDATION IS THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING HEARING FROM SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT BETWEEN NOW AND JULY 5TH. WE ALL KNOW THAT.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SECOND READING JULY 5TH WHEN WE COME BACK AND WE HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES AGAIN, AT THAT POINT A MOTION COULD BE MADE TO CONTINUE TO A DATE CERTAIN.

WE'LL HOPE TO GET THAT INFORMATION BACK SO WE CAN HAVE FACTUAL DECISIONS.

RIGHT? >> MOTION WOULD BE MADE AT THIS TIME, AT THIS MEETING TO CONTINUE IT TO DATE CERTAIN. THIS GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO GATHER ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE.

IT WOULD NEED TO BE DONE TODAY. >> MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? IF IT'S CONTINUED UNTIL JULY 5TH, THAT'S A CONTINUATION OF JULY 5TH. SECOND MEETING WOULD BE ON THE SUBSEQUENT MEETING, IS THAT CORRECT? OR NO?

>> THE CODE DOESN'T SPECIFY. IT SAYS CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TWO VOTES. >> IT DOESN'T SPECIFY.

WHAT THIS DOES IS GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO GATHER ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE AND YOU'RE NOT JUST CLOSING DOWN EVIDENCE AT THIS POINT. YOU CAN TAKE MORE FACTUAL INFORMATION IN. MS. COX AND I CAN DISCUSS THAT. I HAVEN'T SEEN US DO THIS BEFORE IN THAT MANNER. EITHER IT MIGHT REQUIRE ONE ADDITIONAL HEARING.

>> MR. MIMS WANTS TO CHIME IN. >> I HAVE HEARD A FEW OF YOU SAY WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS YOU'LL GET YOUR ANSWERS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I BELIEVE, MR. MURPHY KNOWS FULL WELL, DESIRE OF THIS MAGNITUDE IS NOT GOING TO BE RESOLVED ANYTIME SOON. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FROM THE 10,000 FOOT LEVEL. WE NEED TO HAVE THE ISSUES ADDRESSED, NOT SO MUCH AS SOLVED. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE DESIGNED OR PERMITTED.

BUT IF THEY ARE ADDRESSED. IF WE CAN PUT PRACTICAL LIMITING CONDITIONS ON THE APPROVAL AS YOU MOVE FORWARD, I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE A WISE APPROACH. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANY ANSWERS ANYTIME SOON. OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HASN'T EVEN LOOKED AT THIS.

WE REALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. THIS IS A REZONING. >> THAT'S NOT EVEN A SITE PLAN.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS HERE. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ALL YOUR

ANSWERS. >> CONCEPTUAL RIGHT NOW. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT.

I WAS AFRAID WE WERE HEADING TO HAVING ALL OUR ANSWERS IN THE SECOND READING.

THAT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. >> CAN I MAKE ONE MORE CLARIFICATION, MAYOR? I WANTED TO GIVE THE COMMISSION THAT OPTION JUST SO YOU HAVE IT. OUR CODE ALSO TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION MODIFICATIONS TO THAT CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS ANY MAJOR MODIFICATION, IT HAS TO WORK ITS WAY THROUGH THE SYSTEM AGAIN.

IT RESTARTS THE WHOLE PROCESS.P. WE HAD A CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. THEY CAME BACK AND WE AMENDED THE ORDINANCE TO HAVE A MORE DEFINITE SITE PLAN WITH OUR SUBSTITUTED SUBSTITUTE PLAN ESSENTIALLY. WE DID THAT IN TEAM PLANNING. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. MIMBS. THIS IS THE WAY THE PROCESS IS, RIGHT?

IT'S NOT OUT OF WHACK. >> YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE CORRECT PROCESS.

RIGHT NOW YOU ARE GATHERING WHATEVER INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE TO YOU TO MAKE AN

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INFORMED DECISION. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THEY WILL COORDINATE WITH EXTERNAL AGENCIES, FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL, TO ENSURE ALL DESIGN STANDARDS ARE MET AND ENSURE THE PROTECTION OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. THAT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY.

YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CLEARING

THAT UP FOR ME. YES, SIR? >> ALL RIGHT.

JUST A COUPLE STATEMENTS, I GUESS, ABOUT THE PD PROCESS. THIS IS DIFFERENT IN THE IDEA OF A STRAIGHT AND STRICT SITE PLAN REVIEW AN APPROVAL, FROM MY KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING.

WHILE I DON'T NEED ANY MORE CRACKS AT IT, AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS MY ONE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE COMMENTS, ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF, I'M SORRY, ADDRESS THE APPLICATION FROM THE LAND OWNER AT THE SAME TIME ADDRESS THE CONCERN OF THE HOMEOWNERS IN THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

MY POINT IS, THIS IS NOT GOING TO COME, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IT'S NOT GOING TO COME BACK HERE. WHILE THE PROFESSIONALS, THEY ARE GOING TO HANDLE IT FROM HERE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE IT AS A BODY AGAIN, ARE WE? I HAVE TO ASK STAFF. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THIS AGAIN?

>> AGAIN, IF THERE IS A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE SITE PLAN, IT'S GONG TO HAVE TO COME BACK.

>> ONLY IF. >> IF. IF THERE'S A MINOR AMENDMENT,

THE CODE SAYS A MINOR MODIFICATION -- >> YOU READING SECTION F?

>> SUBSECTION F, 125212. LOOKING RIGHT AT SECTION F, IT SAYS A MAJOR MODIFICATION SHALL REQUIRE APPROVAL OF THE CITY'S COMMISSION, WHILE MINOR MODIFICATION MAY BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY BY PLANNING DIRECTOR OR DESIGNEE. THEN THERE'S DISCUSSION OF WHAT CONSTITUTES, A DISCUSSION OF MODIFICATION REVIEW CRITERIA FOR MAJOR PLAN AND MINOR

MODIFI MODIFICATION. >> IT'S ONLY COMING BACK WITH ANY MAJOR AMENDMENTS OR MAJOR MODIFICA MODIFICATIONS.

WHICH IS OKAY. AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE -- I ASKED HER FOR SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOME CRITERIA. MS. HURLEY CLARIFIED WHERE MY NEXT QUESTION WAS GOING TO GO.

AT THE SAME TIME, I BELIEVE WHAT I WAS DISCUSSING EARLIER, WE NEED SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW STEP TWO, LEGISLATIVE HEARING, PART TWO AND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT OR DO WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MEETING TO GET THOSE ANSWERS? CONTINUE THE KWA S QUASI JUDICIL PART? I KNOW THAT I WANT THOSE ANSWERS PROVIDED AND THEN AN OVERALL BIG PERSPECTIVE, BIG PICTURE LOOK AT

THE SYSTEM IN GENERAL AND THE DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. >> SO MAKE A MOTION.

>> BEFORE DO I THAT, MADAM MAYOR, IF I CAN HEAR FROM STAFF. WE HAVE TO GET A TIME CERTAIN TO CONTINUE, RIGHT? MR. ENGINEER, HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE WE TALKING? THREE MONTHS? I NEED SOME HELP HERE. I DON'T KNOW THIS AREA OF EXPERTISE. WE HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC IN A TIME CERTAIN THAT WOULD BE THERE.

I'M WILLING TO UNDERSTAND A MOTION THAT HELPS ME UNDERSTAND THE TIME FRAME HERE.

>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY SPECIFIC DETAILS. WITH A DESIGN OF THIS MAGNITUDE, THIS COULD TAKE SIX WEEKS OR IT COULD TAKE SIX MONTHS. WE DO NOT KNOW.

IT IS UP TO THE DISCRETION OF THE DESIGNER AND THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. IN ADDITION, YOU'VE GOT ST. LUCIE COUNTY INTERTWINED WITH THIS SYSTEM. YOU HAVE A MYSTERY DITCH WHO NOBODY KNOWS WHO'S RESPONSIBLE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS ISSUES. WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE IN OTHER DEVELOPMENTS. WE DON'T KNOW WHO OWNS THIS STUFF AND WHO'S SUPPOSED TO MAINTAIN IT. THAT IS OF SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE TO THE ACTUAL DRAINAGE OF THE IMMEDIATE AREAS. THERE ARE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ANSWERED. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I CANNOT TELL YOU A TIME.

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WE CAN LOOK AT MR. MURPHY AND SAY, LOOK, YOU BETTER COME BACK WITH INFORMATION THAT GIVES US MORE INFORMATION SO THAT YOU ALL CAN MAKE A DECISION. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF WORK THAT

NEEDS TO BE DONE HERE. >> NO MORE. OK

OKAY. >> IT'S A PROCESS. I GET IT.

>> WE GO THROUGH THIS WITH EVERY PROCESS. IT'S JUST THAT WE DON'T USUALLY

HAVE THIS MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. >> THE TRIGGER FOR ME, MAYOR, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SUBSTATIAL EVIDENCE. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH THAT BEFORE.

WE'VE MADE DECISIONS UP HERE THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH EITHER LACK OF OR PRESENTATION OF WHAT IS ACCEPTED AS COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. MY CONCERN IS WHEN WE START DEALING WITH OUTSIDE AGENCIES WITH JURISDICTION ON WATER FLOW THAT'S SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO ME THAT I WOULD WEIGH AND CONSIDER, THAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE MAKING A DECISION. I UNDERSTAND COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OVER INNUENDOS, RUMORS. SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THAT.

THEY HAVE GOOD FAITH ARGUMENTS THAT MAKE A LOT OF LEGITIMATE SENSE.

TO ME, I NEED TO HEAR FROM THE PROFESSIONALS WHO DO THIS. IN A COURT OF LAW, THAT IS WHAT WILL BE UPHELD BASED ON THOSE STANDARDS HELD BY THOSE INSTITUTIONS WHICH WILL BE READ IN AT THIS POINT. I'M TRYING TO GET THERE TO UNDERSTAND.

I NEED THAT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD BUT I CAN'T EVEN SAY A TIME OR DATE CERTAIN OF WHEN WE WILL ALLOW THIS TO GO THROUGH. I GUESS IF WE MAKE IT A POINT OF TIME AND IT'S NOT HERE, WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION AT THAT POINT AND GO FROM THERE. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

THAT'S WHERE I'M AT, COMMISSIONERS. SOMEBODY HAS TO PICK A DATE.

I'M LEANING TOWARD MY TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT DEEM WITH THESE ORGANIZATIONS MORE THAN I DO.

I JUST KNOW HOLIDAYS ARE COMING UP. WE'VE GOT SUMMER.

THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS THAT HAVE FAMILIES. THEY GO ON VACATION, LIKE WE ALL

DO. I NEED HELP WITH THAT. >> NOT SURE ANYBODY CAN GIVE IT

TO YOU. >> BEST GUESTIMATE, JEREMIAH. >> MADAM MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRIEFLY REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ASPECT? WE HAVE A GENTLE MAN THAT MIGHT

HAVE SOME INFORMATION, MR. MURPHY. >> IF WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO

OPEN IT FOR ANYBODY ELSE, ALSO. MR. MURPHY, WE'LL REOPEN IT. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU. I THINK SOMEBODY UP HERE SAID IT FAIRLY SUCCINTLY.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION LEVEL DETAIL ON A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE THAT YOU MAY BE SEEKING -- THE CONSTRUCTION LEVEL DETAIL, FOR SOMETIME.

THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVE TO HAPPEN BEFORE THAT ARE THE BIG PICTURE POLICY POSITION.

YES, WE'RE GOOD WITH THIS. THEN YOU HAMMER OUT DETAILS. THAT'S THE CHALLENGE.

WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE BETWEEN WHAT IS BIG PICTURE AND WHAT IS CONSTRUCTION LEVEL? BASICALLY ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. WE CAN GET YOU BIG PICTURE INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED BERM QUESTION.

WE CAN GET YOU BIG PICTURE INFORMATION RELATIVE TO THE GENERAL ACCESS CONCERNS UP AT THE -- DICKSON AND U.S. 1. WE CAN GET THAT KIND OF STUFF. I'M COMPETENT WITH THAT.

THERE ARE OTHER WHEELS SPINNING AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH HERE. IF WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO WHAT I CALL THE DAFFODIL LEVEL OF INFORMATION, THAT'S WHAT MR. MIMS POINTED OUT, IT'S WAY DOWN THE PIKE. I CAN GET YOU THE POLICY DRIVEN. IF YOU TAKE THOSE POLICY POSITIONS AND TURN THEM INTO REASONABLE LIMITING CONDITIONS, THAT'S THE OBLIGATION TO CARRY IT OUT. IF WE FIND WE HAVE TO COME IN AND MAKE A PLAN ADJUSTMENT, THERE'S A PROCESS FOR THAT. YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT. GRANTED, IT'S A GIFT OF GOOD LUCK NOW. IN THE PAST, YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD TO WORRY ABOUT LARGE SCALE PD'S. NOW YOU'RE SEEING THEM. NOW YOU'RE GETTING MORE OF THEM.

GETTING MORE THAN A SMALL 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT. THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

SO IF YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE A SECOND READING ON THE

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6TH. IF YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING, I CAN GET YOU INFORMATION THAT WILL ADDRESS MOST OF YOUR CONCERNS BY THE 6TH. IF WE ARE TWO WEEKS LATER FOR A SECOND HEARING, IF I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID CORRECTLY, THAT'S MORE LEGISLATIVE IN NATURE, EVIDENTIARY PORTION OF IT IS CLOSED AT THAT POINT. NOW IT'S JUST --

>> SECOND READING. >> RIGHT. >> I THINK TECHNICALLY, MAYOR, THE MOTION WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE FIRST READING AND THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING TO A DATE CERTAIN. IF THAT WERE THE TYPE OF MOTION TO BE MADE. UP TO THE COMMISSION. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW

TECHNICALLY WHAT IT MIGHT SOUND LIKE. >> THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MURPHY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS? WE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING. TO BE FAIR, WE HAVE TO DO THIS. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

>> I WANT TO CLARIFY THE WHOLE PROCESS HERE. WE'RE GOING TOWARDS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. WHAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT HERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES.

I'M TRYING TO NOTE ATE THOSE DOWN. SOME COULD BE ADDRESSED VERY QUICKLY BY THE APPLICATION OF A COND CONDITION.

THERE ARE SOME THAT WOULD NEED INFORMATION TO THE COMMISSION BEFORE ANY APPROVAL.

I HAVE GOT REALLY SIX BASIC ELEMENTS THAT I THINK ARE RELEVANT TO DESIGNING CONDITIONS AROUND. ONE THE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT OF ANY DESIGN COMING FORWARD,

WHEREVER THAT DESIGN IS. OWNERSHIP OF THAF GHOST. >> MYSTERY DITCH.

>> TO HAVE A REAL CONCEPTUAL PROPOSED DESIGN WHERE THE WATER FLOWS AND HOW IT FLOWS.

TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT NO BUILDING WILL BE PERMITTED UNLESS WE HAVE A SOUTH FLORIDA WATER DISTRICT MANAGEMENT PERMIT ISSUED. CONFIRMATION THAT THE DRIVE WAY IN U.S. 1 AND TO THIS IS RESOLVED AND REDESIGNED, AS WE'VE BEEN TOLD.

ALSO HAVING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO USE THE RIGHT OF WAY DRAINAGE AREA.

THOSE ARE THE MAIN PIECES THE COMMISSION ARE WANTING MORE INFORMATION ON.

MAYBE MORE THAN THAT. THE APPLICANT, IF THEY WORKED WITH STAFF ON CONSTRUCTION OF SOME CONDITIONS THAT COULD BE SUPPLIED TO THIS. BUT ALSO SUPPORTED THAT WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. COMMISSION COULD BE CONFIDENT THAT WOULD BE COMING THROUGH.

>> SURE. >> BEFORE ULTIMATE APPROVAL. THAT WOULD BE STAFF'S

RECOMMENDATIONS. >> THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. YES, SIR.

>> I AGREE WITH KEVIN. >> WHAT HE SAID, RIGHT? >> AND I AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT. YOU AREN'T GOING TO GET THE LEVEL OF DETAIL EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE UNTIL YOU GET SOME CONSTRUCTION DESIGN. LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THIS IS THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE IN SOME SENSE. THERE'S MORE INFORMATION THAT THIS COMMISSION CAN HEAR AND UNDERSTAND AND ABSORB AND UNDERSTAND INTELLIGENTLY TO YOU.

WHAT I HEAR ABOUT YOUR PROCESS, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH YOUR PROCESS. IT MAY NOT COME BACK BEFORE YOU. YOU HAVE TO PUT THE CONDITIONS ON. MY CLIENTS WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM AND PUT CONDITIONS ON THESE THINGS. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE INFORMATION NECESSARY FOR YOU TO HEAR, EVALUATE AND CREATE CONDITIONS. THAT'S GOOD DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO URGE YOU TO DO. I THINK YOU'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THAT WAS DAVID EARL, FOR THE RECORD.

>> AND HE WAS SWORN IN. ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY. WE'RE CLOSING THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

AGAIN. KEVIN, DID YOU INCLUDE THE BERM? DID YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? LIMITE NUMBER OF CONDITIONS TO THAT NUMBER. THERE MAY BE MORE.

>> I DIDN'T HEAR YOU MENTION THE BERM. GENTLEMEN, WHERE ARE WE?

MR. GAINES? COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> ALL RIGHT, MADAM MAYOR.

I TRIED TO SIT HERE AND BE AS QUIET AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE IN A HEARING FOR

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REZONING. WE HAVE TAKEN A REZONING HEARING AND BROUGHT IN EVIDENCE FOR CONSTRUCTION PERMITS, QUESTIONS, EVERYTHING. IT'S A REZONING.

ALL THEY ASKED US TO DO WAS REZONE. IF WE SAY YES OR NO, THAT'S WHAT THEY ASKED US TO SAY, YES OR NO, JUST ON A REZONING. JUST REZONING.

WITH THE REZONING, WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR THE SECOND HEARING, IS REZONING.

AFTER THE REZONING, THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BACK WITH THE PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCTION AND ALL OF THESE OTHER CONCEPTS, WHICH WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER HEARING.

BASICALLY, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE ASKED A WHOLE BUNCH AND BROUGHT A WHOLE BUNCH OF EVIDENCE INTO A HEARING THAT WAS JUST FOR REZONING. ALL WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS SAYING YES OR NO TO ALLOW THEM TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY. NOT ASKING THEM FOR -- I MADE THE COMMENT. I DIDN'T ASK QUESTIONS. I JUST MADE THE COMMENT THAT I HAD QUESTIONS. IT'S JUST REZONING. ALL WE'RE DOING IS REZONING.

AFTER WE REZONE, WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID, WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID, THAT'S WHEN ALL THESE QUESTIONS WILL COME BACK BEFORE US AND SAY, WHAT ABOUT THIS? WHAT ABOUT THIS? WE CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS HEARING WAS JUST TO CHANGE REZONING.

THAT WAS IT. AFTER THAT, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THE NEXT PROCESS.

WE'RE REALLY JUST VOTING ON, DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT REZONING, WHAT WAS COMMERCIAL TO -- WHAT WAS IT? THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING. WE'RE JUST CHANGING THE ZONING.

NOTHING ELSE IS HAPPENING TONIGHT BUT JUST CHANGING. WE VOTE YES OR NO TO REZONING.

EVERYTHING ELSE AFTER THAT COMES, WE CAN ASK OTHER QUESTIONS.

I CAN GET MY BOXES CHECKED. COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON AN GET HIS ANSWERS. PLANNING BOARD CAN GET THEIR ANSWERS. BUT RIGHT NOW, WE'VE SPENT -- WHICH IS FINE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS HERE AND THEY WANT US TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.

WE'VE SPENT AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT REZONING, JUST REZONING. YES OR NO TO REZONING.

I THINK WE ARE JUMPING OUTSIDE OF THE HEARING THAT'S ON THE PAPER WHEN WE GO OVER ALL THESE OTHER QUESTIONS. EITHER YES OR NO, DO THE FIVE OF US WANT TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY

OR NOT? >> MAY I RESPOND, MAYOR? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES, I AGREE. THERE'S ONE LITTLE NUANCE THAT IS IN OUR CODE, WHICH IS WHY YOU HAVE THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S BECAUSE 125.212 REFERS SPECIFICALLY TO ZONING FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. IT SAYS THAT APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT PLAN SHALL OCCUR CONCURRENTLY WITH A CHANGE IN ZONING OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT, AT LEAST AT A BASIC CONCEPTUAL LEVEL.

IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE TO THAT IT RETRIGGERS THE WHOLE PROCESS. IF THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THAT, WHEN THEY GO TO PERMITTING, THEY STILL HAVE TO GET ALL THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW AND MEET ALL OF THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS. SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT FAIL SAFE OR BACK DROP, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT. AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THIS THAT WOULD

COME BACK THROUGH PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSIONS. >> LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK I HAVE HEARD. I HAVE HEARD FROM MR. MURPHY. HE ASSURES US AT THE NEXT MEETING, IF WE APPROVE THIS NOW AND MOVE IT FORWARD, WE WOULD HEAR IT ON JULY 5TH, WOULD BE OUR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. HE ASSURED HE WOULD HAVE SOME INFORMATION, IF I UNDERSTAND HIM CORRECTLY. I THINK AT THIS POINT I HAVE HEARD WHAT I THOUGHT FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS PHASE ONE, GOT TO GO OVER TO PHASE 2. IT COULD GO EITHER WAY BASED ON

WHAT WE ARE HEARING GOING FORWARD. >> WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS?

>> AT THAT POINT. >> OR TONIGHT? >> OR TONIGHT.

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WHATEVER. COMMISSIONERS? >> MADAM MAYOR, SO I AGREE WITH THE INFORMATION AND MOVING TO THE NEXT MEETING. AT THIS POINT, HEARING WHAT I HAVE HEARD IN THE SECOND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS, CONTINUATION OF THE QUASI JUDICIAL PROBABLY BEST SUITED IN MY OPINION. THESE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS, IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A FEW WHERE THERE'S INTERVENERS EVEN, WHERE SOMEONE FILES AS AN INTERVENER.

I'M NOT SURE SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO CAME TONIGHT, IT GIVES A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF COMMENT PERIOD OR DIFFERENT PRESENTATION OF ACTS. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR THAT BECAUSE IT ELONGATES A MEETING. I'M NOT ADVOCATING FOR A SHORTENED MEETING.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE MAKE THE BEST DECISION. WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT INFORMATION BACK TO US. I'M OKAY WITH A CONTINUANCE OF THE QUASI JUDICIAL UNTIL JULY

5TH IF EVERYONE ELSE IS OKAY WITH THAT. >> MAKE A MOTION.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> THIS IS JUST A REZONING, BUT I HAVE TO SAY, WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, IT DOES TALK TO THE HEALTH, WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. IN THE ABSENCE OF HAVING SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SHOW EITHER WAY, I HAVE A HARD TIME, AT LEAST IN A GENERAL 1,000 FOOT LEVEL HAVING AN ANSWER TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH CONTINUING IT UNTIL JULY 5TH, AS WE CONTINUE AND PERHAPS WE'LL HEAR SOME OF THOSE THINGS SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION. I THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST GONNA FLY RIGHT THROUGH JUST BUT A IT WAS A REZONING ISSUE. WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT HOW THE IMPACTS CAN AFFECT FOLKS AND YOU SAY, WELL, HERE'S THE SOLUTION TO THAT, AND THAT SOLUTION ISN'T THERE.

WE DON'T HAVE TO BE IN A BIG HURRY FOR A LOT OF THINGS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SOMETHING

THIS COMPLEX AND THIS LARGE. SO I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. >> CONTINUANCE WITH CONDITIONS?

>> CONDITIONS AS STATED BY THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE OF THIS QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 22-017. WITH CONDITIONS.

AND THAT WE RECONVENE ON JULY 5TH. >> DOES THE MOTION ALSO INCLUDE

A REQUEST TO CONTINUE THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE? >> YES.

>> WITH ADDED LANGUAGE OF WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY JUST SAID. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> ARE WE CLEAR ON THE CONDITIONS? YOU'RE CLEAR ON THE CONDITIONS?

>> YES. MAYOR, THE CONDITIONS WEREN'T STATED IN THE MOTION, BUT MAYBE -- I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE. MAYBE IT'S JUST QUESTIONS THE

COMMISSION WANTS ANSWERED AT THE NEXT HEARING. >> RIGHT.

>> RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> WITH ADDENDUM TO WHAT THE

CITY ATTORNEY JUST SAID. >> WHAT SHE SAID. >> OKAY.

ARE WE READY TO VOTE? CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON? YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU, ALL. >> NEXT ITEM WAS THE -- WAIT A MIN

MINUTE. >> IF YOU COULD TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE, WE'D LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH OUR MEETING, PLE PLEASE.

>> NEXT WAS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WHICH HAS BEEN POSTPONED. WE'LL MOVE ON TO QUASI JUDICIAL

[f. Quasi-Judicial Hearing: Review and approval of an application for a Conditional Use with No New Construction submitted by applicant, Surrounded by Love Eternally, to operate a 2,591.1 square foot daycare at 2806 S US Highway 1 Units D1-D7. Property is zoned General Commercial (C-3); Parcel ID 2422-314-0001-000-3.]

FOR REMOVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION SUBMITTED BY APPLICANT TO OPERATE A 2591.1 SQUARE FOOT DAY CARE AT 2806 SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY ONE UNIT C1 THROUGH D7. PROPERTY ZONED GENERAL COMMERCIAL C3.

>> HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS? >> WE HAVE MET THE ADVERTISING

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REQUIREMENTS. >> WOULD YOU ASK FOR EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR? >> NO, MA'AM. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN

ANY WITNESSES? >> YES, MA'AM. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?

>> NO, MA'AM, I HAVE NOT. >> PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR.

CONDITIONAL USE SURROUNDED BY PRESCHOOL AND DAY CARE LOCATED AT 2806 SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1 UNITS D1 THROUGH D7. SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PLAZA BEFORE YOU, LOCATED NORTHEAST OF EDWARDS ROAD AND SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY ONE. CURRENT ZONING IS C-3 GENERAL PROVISION FUTURE LAND USE OF GC, GENERAL COMMERCIAL. APPLICANT PROPOSING TO BE LOCATED 9,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY IN FT. PIERCE. HOURS OF OPERATION 6:30 TO 7:00 P.M. THEY WILL EMPLOY APPROXIMATELY 10 TO 12 STAFF MEMBERS WITH THE CAPACITY INCREASE. TIS IS TENTATIVE. THEY HAVE A TENTATIVE CAPACITY APPROXIMATELY 41 CHILDREN ON AVERAGE WITH A MAXIMUM OF 74. WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY AT THEIR MAY 9, 2022 MEETING. ACTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION ARE TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE WITH CHANGES, APPROVE OR DISAPPROVAL.

>> IF YOU COULD BACK OFF YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

YES, SIR, COMMISSIONER PERONE. >> YOU SAID THE HOURS. IS IT SEVEN DAYS A WEEK?

>> YES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF IN OKAY.

NOW I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE

RECORD, PLEASE, AND YOUR ADDRESS. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT

TO TELL US ABOUT YOUR PROJECT? >> NO, NOT REALLY. I JUST BELIEVE THAT MOVING TO THIS LOCATION WILL JUST BE BENEFICIAL TO SERVING FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE OUTGREW OUR CURRENT LOCATION. >> WHERE IS IT? >> 802 NORTH 7TH STREET.

WE'RE VERY SMALL. OUR FAMILIES HAVE FAR SURPASSED THOSE NUMBERS.

I CURRENTLY STILL HAVE A WAITING LIST. SINCE THE PANDEMIC HIT, LOT OF PRESCHOOLS CLOSED UP. THAT MEANS A LOT OF FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FOR CARE.

WE ARE ONE OF THE FACILITIES OPENED LATER. WE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK BUT THAT COULD VARY. WE JUST LEAVE THE OPTION OPEN IN CASE PARENTS WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE THE SERVICE. PEOPLE COME TO THE AREA AND DON'T HAVE FAMILY.

SO TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMEONE CARE FOR THEIR CHILDREN IS VERY PORPT.

THAT PREVENTS THE CHILDREN FROM BEING LEFT HOME ALONE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS APPLICANT? YES.

>> WHAT ARE THE AGES OF THE CHILDREN THAT YOU WATCH? >> WE START FROM 6 WEEKS TO 12 YEARS OF AGE. WE ALSO HAVE PROGRAMS THAT SERVE HIGH SCHOOL CHILDREN FOR TUTORING. ESSENTIALLY, WE GO UP TO AGE 17 FOR SERVICES LIKE THAT.

>> HATS OFF TO YOU. >> WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU. >> I SPENT THE WHOLE WEEKEND WITH A 2-YEAR-OLD. TOOK THREE OF US TO KEEP THAT PERSON ENTERTAINED.

>> WE CAN HAVE 15 3-YEAR-OLDS FOR ONE STAFF AND 11 2-YEAR-OLDS TO ONE STAFF.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> AT THIS LOCATION, IS THERE A SCHOOL OR EDUCATION FACILITY

NEXT DOOR TO THIS PROPERTY? >> YES, THERE IS. THEY

>> ALREADY SERVICE US FOR MEALS. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS

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CLEAR. THERE ARE ALREADY CHILDREN AND/OR STUDENTS IN THE AREA.

>> CORRECT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DID ANYONE ELSE WHO'S INTERESTED IN THIS AND WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING, PLEASE COME FOR WARD? SEEING NO ONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I WILL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION. >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE LOVELY

CHILD DAY CARE. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM. CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU WAITED A LONG TIME FOR YOUR SIX MINUTE HEARING.

[g. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for a Conditional Use and Site Plan (Development Review) submitted by owner/applicant Huey & Karen Blackman, to construct a single-family home that will be approximately 33 feet and 11-5/8 inches in height from FEMA Based Flood Elevation at 1627 Thumb Point Drive. The property is zoned Single-Family Low Density (R-1); Parcel ID 2401-700-0001-000-3.]

>> WE LET YOU OFF EASY. >> NEXT REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE AND SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW SUBMITTED BY HUEY AND KAREN BLACKMAN TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 33 FEET AND 11 5/8 INCHES IN HEIGHT FROM THE FEMA BASED FLOOD ELEVATION AT 1627 THUMB POINT DRIVE. PROPERTY IS IN SINGLE FAMILY LOW

DENSITY. >> HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS?

>> YES. >> WOULD YOU ASK FOR EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> GOOD EVENING, AGAIN, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. BEFORE YOU CONDITIONAL USE FOR 1627 THUMB POINT DRIVE. SUBJECT PROPERTY JUST SOUTH OF THUMB POINT DRIVE.

THE CURRENT ZONING OF THE PROPERTY IS R-1 SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY.

THIS IS THE FRONT AND REAR ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT THE HEIGHT OF 33 FEET AND 11-5/8 INCHES. PER CITY SECTION 125-191 SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY ZONE R-1 BUILDING HEIGHTS NO -- CONDITIONAL USES WITH BUILDINGS THAT HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET ABOVE GRADE MAY BE APPROVED. SYNOPSIS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.

THIS IS NOT A VARIANCE APPLICATION. VARIANCES ARE TO ALLOW FOR MODIFICATION OF CERTAIN ZONING ORDER ANSWERS. CONDITIONAL USES ALLOW USE NOT APPROPRIATE GENERALLY AND DOES NOT AFFECT PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY COMFORT, ORDER, APPEARANCE, GENERAL WELFARE. DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THIS CONDITIONAL USE AND PROVIDED COMMENTS BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH REQUIREMENTS OF CITY CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY AT THEIR MAY 9, 2022 MEETING.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A HEIGHT UP TO 35 FEET. APPLICANT IS REQUESTING 33 11-5/8.

THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU HAD A LONG DAY. I'LL TRY TO MAKE MINE SHORT AND SWEET. I'M HUEY BLACKMAN. I HAVE BEEN THERE 36 YEARS NOW.

MY IN LAWS LIVE OUTSIDE ORLANDO, FLORIDA. ONE THING MY WIFE WANTED TO MAKE

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SURE. WE CAME DOWN ONE YEAR. A BIG STORM CAME THROUGH.

WE CAME DOWN TO HELP THEM MOVE.

IT'S GOING TO BE HIGH AND DRY. SHE SAID WHEN YOU DESIGN THE HOUSE, MAKE SURE IT'S HIGH.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE OF IT BEING FLOODED. LOT OF TIMES STORMS AREN'T THAT BIG. WE DESIGNED A PLAN. THE LOT WE BOUGHT WAS ONE LOT.

THEY SUBDIVIDED IT. IT WAS CHALLENGING TO DEVELOP A PLAN.

WHAT WE DID, THE WHOLE FIRST FLOOR IS NO LIVING SPACE. THE SECOND LEVEL IS WHERE YOU LIVE. WHEN WE DID THAT, THE ELEVATION OF THE LOT NOW IS THREE FOOT ABOVE SEA LEVEL. THE GARAGE SET 6' 4" ABOVE SEA LEVEL.

200 YEARS IT HASN'T BEEN THAT HIGH. WATER HASN'T BEEN THAT HIGH IN 200 YEAR, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET IN YOUR HOUSE. I SAID IF WE DO THAT, WE HAVE TO GET A VARIANCE. WHEN YOU BASE THE LEVEL PLUS THE ELEVATION, YOU WILL BE A BIT ABOVE THE STANDARD. SHE SAID GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THAT KIND OF BRINGS US WHERE WE

ARE TODAY. >> ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE AT THIS, NOT JUST TO ACCOMMODATE NECESSARILY. IT'S TO BE ABLE TO -- WE LIKE WHEN YOU SPEND TIME WITH THE GINGER BREAD. DESIGN OF YOUR HOUSE IS BEAU

BEAUTIFUL. >> HAPPY WIFE, HAPPY LIFE. >> GUY ACROSS THE STREET, AT LEAST HE GETS TO LOOK AT A NICE HOUSE. I ALWAYS LOVED IT.

USED TO BE ONE BIG LOT. >> WE KNOW. >> WE KNOW.

WE KNOW ALL ABOUT IT. >> FOLLOW THE PUBLIC RECORD. YOU CAN RELIVE IT, TOO.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THIS APPLICANT? >> YOUR FINISHED FLOOR IS WHAT?

HOW MANY FEET ABOVE? >> SECOND LEVEL? >> SECOND LEVEL.

>> FIRST FLOOR AND GARAGE IS 6' 4 4".

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>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS

ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS WITH THE HIGH OF UP TO 35 FEET.

THEY WERE ASKING FOR 33 FEET. WHAT NUMBER ARE WE GOING WITH? WE APPROVE THIS TO A MAXIMUM OF

35 FEET NOT TO EXCEED. >> I CONCUR. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. WELCOME. >> NEXT ITEM IS REVIEW AND

[h. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for Site Plan (Development and Design Review) approval submitted by property owner Scannell Properties #533 LLC and applicant Jeff H. Iravani, Inc., to construct one building totaling 750,500 square feet of office and warehouse distribution space with associated site improvements at SE corner of Kings Highway and White Road approximately ½ mile north of Okeechobee Road and known as Kings Highway Commerce Park Phase II. The property is zoned Commercial Parkway (CP-1); Parcel IDs: 2324-241-0004-000-0, 2324-211-0001-000-6, 2324-214-0002-000-2, 2324-214-0001-000-5, 2324-241-0002-000-6, 2324-241-0003-000-3, 2324-211-0002-000-3, 2324-232-0000-000-4, 2324-210-0000-000-6.]

APPROVAL OF SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY OWNERS NUMBER 533 LLC AND APPLICANT -- OF OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION SPACE WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF KINGS HIGHWAY AND WHITE ROAD APPROXIMATELY ONE HALF MILE NORTH OKEECHOBEE ROAD AND KNOWN AS KINGS HIGHWAY COMMERCE PARK PHASE TWO. PROPERTY IS ZONED COMMERCIAL PARKWAY CP-1.

>> CHECK FOR EX-PART COMMUNICATIONS. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> NO, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON? >> NO, MA'AM, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> NO, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> NO, MA'AM. CAN YOU SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES? >> DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM TO TELL

THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> PROCEED.

>> EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. BEFORE YOU THE KINGS HIGHWAY COMMERCE PARK, A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATION 2496 SOUTH KINGS HIGHWAY. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN A PRIOR SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW FOR PHASE I. SUBJECT APPROXIMATELY 107.55 ACRES AND IS LOCATED BETWEEN KINGS HIGHWAY AND I-95. SUBJECT PROPERTY OF THE FUTURE LAND USE OF GC, GENERAL COMMERCIAL. ZONING OF CP-1. IT CONSISTS OF 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE, 710,000 SQUARE FEET OF WAREHOUSE AND 623 PARKING SPACES WITH 13 HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE. PROPOSED LANDSCAPING WOULD INCLUDE MAPLES, CREPE MYRTLES, JAPANESE AND SOUTHERN MAGNOLIAS, LIVE OAK, PINK, PALMS AND LIVING WALLS.

STAFF THE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH TWO CONDITIONS. SHALL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY APPROVED. NUMBER TWO, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF SITE WORK PERMIT, OTHER PROPERTIES WOULD NEED TO BE COMBINED.

IF POSSIBLE, COMBINATION COUNTY PROPERTY AND UNITY OF TITLE FOR THE CLERK OF COURTS.

THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR. >> MR. GILMORE, ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT TRAFFIC OR TRAFFIC IMPACT?

WAS THERE A STATEMENT MADE OR A REPORT? >> YES.

IT WAS PART OF THE APPLICATION. >> WERE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY OR EXPANSION PROJECTS ON KINGS OR OKEECHOBEE ROAD? IT'S NOT FAR FROM OKEECHOBEE.

>> THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY. I'LL LET THE APPLICANT CONFIRM

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THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? WOULD THE APPLICANT COME

FORWARD, PLEASE? >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING.

ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. WE ARE HAPPY TO BE HERE FOR PHASE II.

PHASE I WAS APPROVED FOR 500,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS PHASE II FOR 750,000 WITH POSSIBLE ADDITION OF 250 WHICH WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.

AS FAR AS TRAFFIC GOES, WE DID HAVE A HIGHWAY TRAFFIC IMPACT REPORT FOR 1.9 MILLION SQUARE FEET. THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO FDOT. IT WAS APPROVED AT THAT TIME.

NOW WE ARE COMING BACK, WITH REDUCED SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 1.5. OUR TRAFFIC IMPACT REPORT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR LARGER SQUARE FOOTAGE. OF COURSE IT'S BEING REVIEWED BY

THE COUNTY. >> THAT WAS HOW MANY SQUARE FOOT, TRAFFIC IMPACT?

>> WE WERE COMING WITH 1.5 PLUS. ORIGINAL WAS 1.9. THAT WAS MUCH LARGER PROJECT BUT BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN AND THIS PHASE II BUILDINGS, ONE LARGE BUILDING, OVERALL WENT DOWN.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THIS COMMISSION FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND CITY STAFF, ESPECIALLY PLANNING

FOR THEIR GUIDANCE. THANK YOU. >> JUST ONE QUESTION.

I'M SORRY. I KNOW IT'S LATE. BUILDING A WAREHOUSE OF THIS CALIBER AND THIS SIZE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS EMPLOYEES AND/OR FOLKS? ARE THEY PERMANENTLY STATIONED THERE OR THEY WORK AMONGST THE FACILITIES?

HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> EMPLOYEES WILL BE THERE PERMANENTLY.

THEY WILL PROBABLY BE DIVIDED INTO ONE OR MORE TENANT. LOOKING PROBABLY COUPLE THOUSAND

EMPLOYEES, WHICH JOBS AND CONSTRUCTION JOBS AHEAD OF THAT. >> THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING

AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION? >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH

THE TWO CONDITIONS MADE BY STAFF. >> MOTION SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

[i. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for a Conditional Use and Site Plan (Development Review and Design Review) submitted by owner, U-Haul Co. of Florida and representative Jeffery W. Banker, Highland Engineering, Inc., to construct a four (4)-story storage building totaling approximately 33,888 square feet with associated site improvements at 3602 S US Highway 1. The property is zoned General Commercial (C-3); Parcel IDs: 2434-121-0005-000-6, 2434-123-0001-000-4, 2434-123-0002-000-1.]

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM. >> QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE AND SITE PLAN SUBMITTED BY OWNER U-HAUL COMPANY OF FLORIDA AND REPRESENTATIVE JEFFREY BANKER HIGHLAND ENGINEERING TO CONSTRUCT A FOUR STORY STORAGE BUILDING TOTALLING APPROXIMATELY 33,888 SQUARE FEET WITH

ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS. >> HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS?

>> YES. >> WOULD YOU ASK FOR EX-PARTE? >> WOULD YOU SWEAR IN WITNESSES.

>> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

BEFORE YOU IS A CONDITIONAL USE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AN DESIGN REVIEW FOR U-HAUL STORAGE 3602 SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY I. SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 5.5 ACRES CONSISTS OF THREE PARCELS. THE GC LAND USE WITH C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

BEFORE YOU I HAVE THE SITE PLAN ACCOMPANYING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WHICH SHALL INCLUDE SEVERAL TREES AND ALSO PALMS SURROUNDING THE SITE. THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING, NOT SURE IF YOU NOTICE. APPLICANT WILL BE UTILIZING THE ENTIRE SITE, ONLY THE MORE SO WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. NORTHERN ELEVATION, PROPOSED STRUCTURE, SOUTH ELEVATION EAST, WHICH IS FACING AWAY FROM SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1. HERE'S THE ELEVATION WHICH WILL

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BE FACING U.S. HIGHWAY 1. PLANNING BOARD MAY 9, 2022 MEETING VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH TWO CONDITIONS.

CERTIFIED LETTER OF COMPLETION BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT PURSUANT TO 123-6 SHOULD BE ACQUIRED PRIOR TO FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. NUMBER TWO PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF SITE WORK PERMIT. ALL PROPERTIES THAT MAKE UP THE DEVELOPMENT WILL NEED TO BE COMBINED. PARCEL COMBINATION AND UNITY OF TITLE WITH COUNTY CLERK OF

COURTS. THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD, PLEASE? STATE YOUR NAME.

I KNOW YOU WERE SWORN IN. TELL US ANYTHING YOU NEED TO TELL US.

>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JEFF BANKER WITH HIGHLAND ENGINEERING, CLERMONT, FLORIDA. WE CONCUR WITH ALL STAFF'S FINDINGS.