[a. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 22-015: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida: Amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of a parcel generally located along the east side of South US Highway 1, approximately 250 feet South of Dickson Drive, from City of Fort Pierce General Commercial (GC) to City of Fort Pierce Medium Density Residential (RM); providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. SECOND READING]

>> YES, MAM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WE HAVE A LEGISLATION HEARING

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FOR ORDNANCE, 32, FEW PURR MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNTION OF THE PARCEL GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTHEAST SIDE SOUTH HIGHWAY 1, APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET OF DIXON DRIVE, TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE RESIDENTIAL, PROVIDING THE, PROVIDING ORDINANCE AND CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR THE EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

>> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> GOOD EVENING. DETECT THE TIME.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS DENNIS MURPHY, CALL FOR INTERPRETING, REPRESENTING THE PETITION, LANG, PREVIOUSLY DESCRIBED PROPERTY. AND AT OUR MEETING, TWO WEEKS AGO, WE WALK THROUGH THE RECENT PROPOSED LANDINGS.

AND PRESERVED DEVELOPMENT POJECT.

WE RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL AND I WOULD REQUEST ANONYMOUS APPROVAL AT 2ND AND HEARING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> STATE YOUR NAME.

>> HARRIET SCOTT. VICE PRESIDENT OF GARDEN H.O.A.

AND ALSO A PRIVATE CITIZEN IN THAT COMMUNITY.

OKAY. I'VE TIMED MYSELF. IT'S UNDER 3 MINUTES.

THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

AND THIS PROJECT HAS MUCH RED FLAGS.

U.S. 1 TRAFFIC FLOW, ALREADY AN ISSUE WITH ACCIDENT AREAS.

WILDLIFE ISSUES. CHEMICAL RUNOFF AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FLOODING, WITH THE ALREADY DOCUMENTED RISE IN WATER TABLES, ESPECIALLY COASTAL THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

AND MY REFERENCE, THE SITE HAS A LOT OF GREAT MOST CRITICAL POINT, IS WE NEED TO HAVE A CANAL, PLACED IN THE SOUTHERN END OF THE PROJECTED BUILT AS A WAY THIS CONSTRUCTION COULD BE A WIN, WIN SITUATION FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED IN FLOOD MANAGEMENT. IN SIMPLE RECENT REAL-TIME WATER ISSUE, COULD BE IN GATOR TRACE AFTER RAINSTORMS. THE FIBER OPTICS PUT IN ARE BURIED.

THEY ARE BURIED 2-3 FEET DOWN. EVERY TIME IT RAINS, ALL THE WIRES FLOW OFF. THE WATER TABLE IS REALLY HIGH.

THAT'S JUST A SIDELINE NOTE. I'M SORRY.

THERE'S A GENERAL FEELING, THE CARD IS BEFORE THE HORSE.

WE HAVE A ZONING PERMIT, WITHOUT ANY SOLID ENGINEERING PLANS THAT ARE ALREADY, PREFER ANY LEGAL QUESTIONS COUNCILED.

THE COUNTY HAS NEGLECTED WITH MASSIVE OVERGROWTH, WITH INFRINGEMENT, H.O.A. PROPERTY AND NEEDS TO EXPENSE TO MY H.O.A. WE HAVE ADDITIONAL 1,000 PEOPLE AND THEIR VEHICLES, WILL ADD MUCH MORE STRESS TO THE ALREADY HIGHLY STRESSED RESIDENCY AREA. WE DO NEED TO SEE THE LAWS THAT ARE SUPPORTING THE ARGUMENTS, THAT ARE NOT PRESENTED AND THE APPLICATION, BY THE CIVIL ENGINEERS BEFORE ANY AGREEMENT TO PLANS TO BE MADE. OTHER SIDE NOTES, THE -- POLICE TOLERANCE OF HIGH SPEED RATES ARE ONE.

THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NIGHT. AND IT APPEARS, FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN, THE DOWNTOWN AND THE LA FAYETTE AREA, RECEIVE PRIORITY. YOU COULD DRIVE DOWN EITHER ROAD AT ANYTIME AND YOU WILL SEE EXACTLY WHAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT.

THE BURDEN OF EXPANS FROM ANY OF THE CHANGES MUST BE PUT ON DEVELOPERS, TO INSURE MANAGEMENT THAT ARE ALREADY FRAGILE COASTAL WET LANDS AND -- YOU NEED TO WIND UP.

>> ONE MORE SENTENCE. >> AND DETAILED PLAN IS REQUIRED FOR MAINTENANCE LIABILITY AND THE WHAT IT'S.

ONE MISSTEP COULD BE A HUGE CONSEQUENCE.

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>> ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME

FORWARD. >> MY NAME IS BARB KAMP AND I OWN THE HIGH POINT OF SECTION ONE.

MY QUESTION IS MORE FILL SOLVE FICCAL.

AND LAST YEAR, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COST OF INCREASING LOANS AND YOU FIND IT NECESSARY, TO RECONSTRUCT RATHER THAN TO JUST THROW AWAY SOME MONEY ON RESURFACING.

THIS IS GOING TO ADD TO YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

IF I SAW SIGNS THAT A BIG CORPORATION WERE COMING DOWN HERE AND THEY WERE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO WORK, MANUFACTURING, CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, WHATEVER, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STORY. I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THE REASONING FOR ALL THE INCREASE IN RESIDENCIES IS THAT IS GOING ON IN THE COUNTY. AND THAT CONCERNS ME AND I REALLY THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CONCERNS YOU ALL.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> YOUR NAME, AGAIN.

>> BARBARA KAMP. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BEFORE I CLOSE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO CLOSE THAT OUT.

>> NO, MA'AM. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, APPEARS TO BE RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS OF THE PROPERTY, NOT THE MAIN PETITION AT HAND.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. NOW I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR

DISCUSSION. >> MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO BE CLEAR. FIRST THING CLEAR.

FIRST THING WE'RE VOTING ON IS WHAT I'M LOOKING ON THE MAP IS THE LITTLE RED CIRCLE? THAT'S WHAT THIS FIRST ONE IS

ABOUT? >> OKAY. .

>> ALL RIGHT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

>> THANK YOU >> AND IT'S FUTURE LAND USE.

>> JUST THAT AREA. >> RIGHT

>> MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE 22015.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES RJTS YES, MA'AM.

[b. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 22-016: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida: Amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of two (2) parcels generally located along the south side of Dickson Drive, at the intersection with South US Highway 1, from City of Fort Pierce General Commercial (GC) to City of Fort Pierce Medium Density Residential (RM); providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. SECOND READING]

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> WE HAVE ORDNANCE 22-016. ORDNANCE, TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF TWO PARCELS GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF DIXON DRIVE AT THE INTERSECTION OF SOUTH U.S.

HIGHWAY 1, FROM CITY OF FORT PIERCE MEDIUM DENSITY, RES DEBTIAL RM PROVIDING THE CIVIL CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

>> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. MR. MURPHY.

>> FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS DENNIS MURPHY, INTERPRETING FOR FORT PIERCE, REPRESENTING PETITIONER, FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL. AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU SAY FORWARD, TO THE MEETING. I WOULD REQUEST YOU FORWARD, BE APPROVED IN THE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION, UNANIMOUSLY.

IT'S A LONG DAY. IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PETITION, I COULD TRY TO ANSWER.

THIS IS A LAND USE MATTER. I KNOW THERE'S FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE ULTIMATE USES. THIS SHOULDN'T BE APPROVED AND BE HAPPY TO GRANT IT AT THAT TIME.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING

AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE

ORDNANCE 22-016. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND, CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

[c. Quasi-Judicial Hearing Continued from June 21, 2022 - Ordinance 22-017: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida: Rezoning four parcels of land generally located on the east side of South US Highway 1 at the intersection of Dickson Drive and lying north of the existing Gator Trace Planned Development, from General Commercial (C-3) and Planned Development (PD) to Planned Development (PD), for the residential project to be known as Savannah Preserve; providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. FIRST READING]

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> NEXT WE HAVE THE QUAZI JUDICIAL HEARING, ORDNANCE 22-017, ORDNANCE BY THE CITY OF COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1 AT THE INTERSECTION OF DIXON DRIVE.

FROM GENERAL COMMERCIAL C3 TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PD.

FOR THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO BE KNOWN AS SAV VAN NAH PRESERVE, PROVIDING FOR SEVER ABILITY CLAUSE, TO PROVIDING REPEAL, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE FIRST READING.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE CITY

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ATTORNEY TO READ THE GROUND RULES FOR THE HEARING AND I HOPE

EVERYBODY PAYS ATTENTION. >> THANK YOU

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS A CONTINUING OF A QUAZI JUDICIAL HEARING. THE CITY COMMISSION SERVES BOTH LEGISLATIVE AND JUDICIAL ROLE. ENGAGES IN ACTIVITY BY ESTABLISHING LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICIES.

WHEN ACTING AS A QUAZI JUDICIAL BODY, THE COMMISSION, IS HELD TO STRICTER PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS.

QUAZI JUDICIAL ARE LESS FORMAL BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT AND ARE MORE FORMAL THAN A NORMAL MEETING.

QUAZI JUDICIAL, MUST PROVIDE, AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

AND MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATURES.

THAT'S WHY THE COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED THE UNIFORM PROCEDURES FOR SUCH HEARINGS THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED THIS EVENING. FURTHER, AS THIS IS A CONTINUED HEARING OF A PREVIOUS QUAZI JUDICIAL HEARING, THE PRESENTATION WILL BE LIMITED TO ADDITIONAL RESEARCH ON THE PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED TESTIMONY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE OR INFORMATION. ANY ATTEMPT TO INTRODUCE TESTIMONY, EVIDENCE OR INFORMATION THAT'S OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF THE PRIOR PRESENTATION WILL BE CONSIDERED IRRELEVANT AND SHOULD BE DISREGARDED DURING ANY DELIBERATION.

FINALLY NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH ANY COMMISSION IN THE DIE OS, THE CITY CLERK DURING THE HEARING.

IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT OF ARMS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE TWO POLICE

OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE NOW CALLED TO ORDER.

WILL THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH THE ADVERTISING NOTICING REQUIREMENTS.

>> ADVERTISING HAS BEEN MET. >> AT THIS TIME, ANY EXPARTY COMMUNICATION SHOULD BE DISCLOSED BY EACH MEMBER OF THE

COMMISSION >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WHAT TYPE OF EXPARTY.

>> I HAVE A MEETING WITH THE DEVELOPER.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> YES, MEETING WITH THE

DEVELOPER. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON?

>> MET WITH THE RESIDENT, MET WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION

AND APPLICANT. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> YES, MA'AM. I MET WITH THE DEVELOPER.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO, MA'AM.

I'M NOT WITH ANY MEETINGS. I HAD PREVIOUS E-MAILS WITH THE

PREVIOUS HEARING. >> OKAY. WE WILL NOW PROCEED TO OPEN THE HEARING ON THIS MATTER. WILL THE CITY CLERK PLEASE SWEAR

IN THE WITNESSES >> WOULD ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM PLEAS STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT INTENDS TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO STAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> I DO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> AND WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, YOU WILL BE STATING YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. DO WE HAVE A SIGN IN SHEET?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> NO SIGN IN SHEET.

THE CITY STAFF WILL MAKE THE PRESENTATION IN THE MATTER.

SO PLEASE PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. BEFORE YOU WE HAVE THE ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT, ORDINANCE 22-2017.

THE REASON WHY I'M USING THE PDF FORMAT, THERE'S A TECHNICAL ISSUE WITH THE MICROSOFT POWER POINT.

>> LOOKS THE SAME TO ME. >> AND SO THIS BEFORE YOU IS THE AREA MAP OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES, APPROXIMATELY 132.7 ACRES GIVE OR TAKE. THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICATION CURRENTLY HAS FUTURE LAND USE OF GC AND RM.

YOU RECENTLY APPROVED THE SECOND READING FOR THE THREE PARCELS TO CHANGE FROM GC TO RM, WHICH IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR ALL FOUR PARCELS TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. STAFF, APPROVED REQUEST WITH CONDITIONS, SECTION 125-112, 125-36, CITY CODE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. DOESN'T AFFECT THE SAFETY CODES AND GENERAL WELFARE. FOUR YEARS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

THE SUBJECTS SITE WILL CONSIST OF 650 PLOTTED LOTS.

I WOULD ASSOCIATE AMENITIES AND ALSO IMPROVEMENTS.

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THE PLANNING BOARD ON THE MAY 9TH, 2020 MEETING, VOTED, REQUEST THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING THREE CONDITIONS.

THE BERM WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER.

NUMBER TWO, THE BERM WILL BE LOCATED IN THE EASEMENT OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. THREE, ANY LOCATION, WILL NEED TO BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OF THE REZONING, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH THE FOLLOWING SIX CONDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE, PLANS SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY ALL APPLICABLE CITY REQUIREMENTS PRIOR TO THE SITE PERMIT.

THE PLANS SHOULD INCLUDE DETAILS, OFF SITE AND STONE WATER CONTROLLED BERM. REQUIRED REGULATORY AGENCY, INCLUDED, BUT NOT. AND SHOULD BE OBTAINED BY THE APPLICANT AND COPIES OBTAINED BY THE CITY, AND NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE A CONCEPTIONIAL STONE WATER DESIGN AND INDIVIDUAL STATEMENT, ATTESTING THE P.D. STONE WATER, WOULD BE WITH. NUMBER 4, THE DRIVEWAY SHOULD BE ALIGNED TO PROVIDE ACCESS, TO THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH.

IT'S DATED PARCEL ID NUMBER BEFORE YOU, AND NUMBER 5, THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE CONFIRMATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE LOCATION OF THE BERM AND STONE WATER, AND FOR THE SUBJECT PARCEL LISTED ON WHICH -- THE SITE RUNNING ALONG THE 7 BOUNDARY OF ANY DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES.

NUMBER 6, THE APPLICANT SHOULD PROVIDE, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE BERM AND TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, EASEMENT OFF THE PARCEL LISTED, WHICH ALSO RUNNING AROUND THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY, IN COMMENCEMENT OF THE ACTIVITIES.

THANK YOU >> ANY QUESTIONS? THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

>> HAVING QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF.

ALL RIGHT. THE CURRENT ZONING IS GC; RIGHT?

JEN CONTRACTOR. >> GENERAL COMMERCIAL FOR THE THREE PARCELS. AND APPROVED THE FUTURE LAND

AMENDMENT, >> SO FOR -- THAT'S FOR THE

FIRST 2, FOR THE BIG -- >> WITH ALL FOUR.

THIS IS FOR ALL FOUR TO BE RESOLVED TO P.D. PLANNED

DEVELOPMENT. >> THAT'S FINE

>> MY QUESTION, WITH THE LABOR OF G.C.; RIGHT? IF THERE IS NO CHANGING, WHAT COULD BE BUILT THERE

>> AND THE POSSIBILITY OF ANY CONDITIONAL USES IF APPROVED BY

CITY COMMISSION. >> AND MY QUESTION, SOME COMMERCIAL IF THEY MET OUR CRITERIA, THAT COULD BE BUILT

THERE. >> AND THE BEST OF THREE PARCELS. COR

CORRECT. >> ANY QUESTION OR STAFF.

>> GO BACK TO THE CONDITIONS, PLEASE.

THIS IS JUST THE SIX CONDITIONS. >> SIX ONLY.

CORRECT >> MY AGENDA, MY ITEM IS NOT COMING UP. IT'S COMING UP WITH 2022, 015, INSTEAD OF THIS ONE. MY AGENDA.

SO NUMBER 6, TALK TO ME ABOUT NUMBER 6.

IS THE APPLICANT, MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT FOR THE BERM.

SO AT ONE POINT IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THE BERM WAS ON THE PARCEL. DID YOU SAY THAT? YOU GO BACK. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THE

BERM. >> THE PLANNING BOARD.

APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. >> WHAT STAFF POSITION AND

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DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BERM AND ITSELF AND THE LOCATION.

IS THERE A POSITION? >> WE ARE REQUIRING THE BERM.

>> THERE'S THROUGH ENGINEERING AND PLANNING.

>> COULD I SPEAK? >> KELLY FREEMAN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. WHILE WE HAVE SET OUT HERE, IS A RANGE OF CONDITIONS, WHICH STARTS, YOU KNOW, A FOUNDATION, REQUIREMENT FOR -- THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR THE STONE TREATMENT AND STONE CONTROL. ULTIMATELY, COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS, WILL BE CARRIED THROUGH TO THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT. AND THAT, THROUGH THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, ENGINEERING AND THE DEPARTMENT OF CITY, WILL BE REVIEWING THE PROPOSAL. THESE CONDITIONS REQUIRE THE REVIEW OF SOUTH FLORIDA DISTRICT, TO OBTAIN A PERMIT FOR THAT. SO THE STAFF'S POSITION ON THIS IS THAT ACCORDING TO THE SUBMITTED, BERM, SHOWING THEM THAT SECTION OF RIGHT OF WAY, THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED STONE WATER TREATMENT, METHODOLOGY, WHICH INCLUDES THE BERM.

IF THE BERM IS APPROVED BY THE EXTERNAL AGENCIES, STAFF IS IN APPROVAL. IF IT'S NOT, THAT HAS TO BE REDESIGNED AND POTENTIALLY HAS TO COME BACK TO THE SYSTEM TO BE APPROVED AGAIN. IF THAT DOESN'T TAKE PLACE.

>> THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. THANK YOU.

>> YES, SIR >>.

>> 650 LOTS, RIGHT? >> RIGHT.

>> WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM AVAILABLE FOR THIS SITE?

>> I THINK IT'S 2000. >> 1,000.

>> AND BASED ON THE MAXIMUM DENSITY ALLOWED.

>> NOT TALKING ABOUT THE WETLAND OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT? YOU HAVE TO FILL IT IN, IN ACREAGE

>> BASED ON ACREAGE. >> I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION COMING UP THE LAST TIME. I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER.

IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF WHAT'S ALLOWABLE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR STAFF. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO ASK TOUGH QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT? NOW THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL DO. IT'S TIME FOR THE APPLICANT AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A PART OF THE INTERVENER.

AND EACH HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS TO STAFF LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF? DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> NO.

MADAM MAYOR, NO. I HAVE NO PARTICULAR QUESTIONS OF STAFF. HOWEVER, I ASK GENERAL QUESTIONS, AND IF WE COULD.

WE RECEIVED. >> I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY.

>> STATE YOUR NAME. >> THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME.

>> WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE. >> APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

MY NAME IS DENNIS MURPHY, INTERPRETING FOR PIERCE, AND WE'RE HERE TO REPRESENT CULTURAL LAND DEVELOPMENT, PETITIONER FOR THE SAV VAN NAH PRESERVE PROJECT.

MAYOR, APOLOGIZE AND WE'LL GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE THING AND THIS IS MUCH OF A LEGAL QUESTION TO THE ATTORNEY.

YOU INDICATED, THERE'S NO NEW. HOW ABOUT ADDRESSING PRIOR

QUESTIONS AT THE PRIOR MEETING? >> MADAM MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMISSION NOT XAKLY TO THE APPLICANT.

THE PURPOSE FOR TODAY'S HEARING AND THE REASON WHY IT WASND IT, THE COMMISSIONER HAD OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS.

AND THE PURPOSE IS TO ANSWER THE OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS.

>> DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? >> WITH THAT SAID, I DO HAVE A

SLIGHT PRESENTATION COMING. >> AND THIS WOULD NOT BE THE TIME FOR THAT. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE -- CERTAINLY

GOING TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. >> IT'S NOT THE TIME RIGHT NOW.

>> FIRST TIME DOING THIS. >> ME, TOO

>> WE'RE ALL LEARNING >> AS FAR AS THE INTERVENTION QUESTIONS GO, AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME, WE DON'T HAVE QUESTIONS TO STAFF. FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, LAND USE PARTNER REPRESENTING MY CLIENTS.

WE'VE SEEN THE INTERVENTION SUBMISSION.

WE HAVE IT ADDRESSED LATER ON IN PRESENTATION.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS TO STAFF AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT

IN TIME. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> NOW I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE PARTY INTERVENER.

WOULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF PLEASE, SIR

>> JOHN CARROLLTON, THE LAW FIRM OF ROSS, EARLE, BOEING, GATOR TRACE MASTER ASSOCIATION, GOOD EVENING..

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> PURELY, AS THE INTERVENTION. >> LET ME ASK MY ATTORNEY.

>> MADAM MAYOR, THIS IS QUESTIONS OF STAFF IN REGARD TO THEIR PRESENTATION THAT THEY JUST MADE.

CROSS, IF YOU WILL OF STAFF. >> I HAVE THIS QUESTION, AT THIS POINT NP TIME. IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, THERE'S A PRIOR SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE BERM I WILL GO BACK AND FORTH AS TO THE BURNS, AND THEY -- THE BERM HAD TO BELOW INDICATED IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S NOT IN THE CONDITIONS.

THAT'S STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION.

THE CONDITIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED TO SPECIFICALLY PROVIDE

FOR THAT. >> STAFF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO

ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION

SOMEWHERE THERE. >> THE STAFF'S POSITION IS BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S SMIGS. YES, THE STAFF DID RECEIVE A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD TO THE LOCATION OF THE BERM. THE APPLICANT PRESENTED A WHOLE STONEWATER PLAN, ENGINEERING, REMEDY TO THE STONE WATER HUGHES THE STAFF IS PRESENTING THAT AS THE PLAN THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND FOR ME FORWARD. .

>> THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SLIDE, IN THE NORTHERN PORTION, ARE NOT WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED IN THE COMMISSION TODAY

>> THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

THAT FORMER SLIDE, IS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED. IS THAT RIGHT, MR. FRIEDMAN?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IS THAT IT?

>> ALL RIGHT. >> SO FOLLOWING UP ON THOSE TWO, DOES THE COMMISSIONER HAVE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS OF STAFF, BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE JUST ASKED?

>> EVERYBODY CLEAR SO FAR. SO NOW STAFF HAS COMPLETED YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOU ARE EXCUSED AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR VERY CLEAR PRESENTATION. SO I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION AND PLEASE INTRODUCE YOURSELF, AGAIN, FOR THE 25TH TIME.

YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES MAXIMUM. SO -- I WILL KEEP IT QUICK.

VENICE, ARE WE WORKING OR NOT? >> LET ME TRY AGAIN.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WHILE WE MAKE SURE, THINGS ARE WORKING.

I DO HAVE HARD COPIES -- YOU WANT TO COME UP AND GET THEM.

>> GIVE IT TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS, PLEASE.

THANK YOU >> FORTUNATELY, MADAM MAYOR,

STILL NOT WORKING, SORRY. >> WE CAME BACK THIS AFTERNOON

AND IT WORKED. >> IT WORKED.

>> IT WORKED. >> IT'S NOT WORKING AT ALL?

>> REBOOT THE COMPUTER. >> I COULD TRY THAT.

>> PLEASE. >> OKAY.

YEAH. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE BARE WITH US. WE HAVE TECHNICAL PROBLEMS

>> I APOLOGIZE MADAM MAYOR. HARD COPY I PRESENTED TO YOU.

I WILL ONLY HEAR THE HIGH POINTS.

. >> AT LEAST PUT THE LOCATION MAP

ON THE BOARD >> I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS.

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YOU DON'T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE. >> AS WE INDICATED, PETITIONER FOR PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, COMMISSIONER GENERAL TO PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE PURPOSE WE HAVE A PD DESIGNATION IN THE CHANGE, SOME YEARS AGO, A PORTIONS PROPERTY, FOR A PROJECT, SAV VAN NAH PRESERVE.

THE PROJECT EXPIRED. SITE PLAN IS TYPICALLY SEEN AS BEING A PRELIMINARY DESIGNED DRAWING FOR THE PROPERTY.

IT IS NOT A DRAWING TO BE USED FOR CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING.

IT'S DESIGNED TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION, THE OBJECTIVES AND INTENSE OF THE DEVELOPER. DUE TO THE PROCESS, IDENTIFIED THE CONDITIONS, CARRIED OUT AND IMPLEMENTED AS PART OF THE SITE CONSTRUCTION PERMANENT PROCESS, THE NEXT STAGE IN THIS.

THIS IS A MULTI-STEP PROCESS. PRELIMINARY SITE, CONSTRUCTION PLANNING AND CONSTRUCTION, IN THE MOST IMPLICIT OF RESTRICTIONS. AND THE DOCUMENTS IN THERE, YOU WILL FIND A CONCEPT PLAN, PRESERVE OF SAVANNAH PLAN.

THIS IS PART OF THE RECORD, AND WILL BE ON THE WEBSITE.

WE IDENTIFIED THE EFFECT, THE PRIOR PLAN, THERE'S ACCESS COMING FROM GATOR TRACE TO THE PROPERTY.

WE IDENTIFIED, AS AN EMERGENCY ACCESS TO DIXON DRIVE.

WE ALSO NOTE, THERE IS RATHER SUBSTANTIAL IMPACTS AT THAT TIME AND THERE'S RATHER SUBSTANTIAL BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY, ADJACENT TO THE SAVANNAHS, IN EXCESS OF 3 FLOORS, OVERLOOKING THE SAVANNAHS. YOU ASKED THE QUESTION, AS INDICATED LAST TIME. THE MAXIMUM DENSITY, WITHIN THE ASSUMPTION, THAT IT APPEARED AT THAT TIME, 2026.

DENSITY IS 650 UNITS. INSURE, ALL WE HAVE IS A 340 UNIT, 170 BUILDINGS, TWO FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT IS LOCATED ON INDIVIDUALLY OWNED LOTS.

THERE'S ADDITIONAL TOWN UNITS, INDIVIDUALLY PLOTTED LOTS.

THIS IS A PLOTTED OWNERSHIP COMMUNITY.

IT IS NOT A RENTAL COMMUNITY MUCH CONTAINED IN THE DEVELOPMENT, 100-OR SO ODD ACRES.

PRESIDENT 650, GREEN SPACE, PRESERVATION, RECREATION AREA.

WE'RE ONLY DEVELOPING, APPROXIMATELY, 58, 45 PERCENT, COUPLE OF PERCENTAGE POINTS HERE AND THERE.

AS YOU COULD SEE, IN THE ATTACHED GRAPHICS.

THE CENTER PART, IS ESSENTIALLY THE WETLAND, PRESERVE AREA.

AN AREA EAST OF THE WETLAND AND AREA WEST OF THE WETLAND.

GOING THROUGH, YOU ALSO SEE THE HIGHLIGHT, OF THE PARTICULAR SITE. THE FACT, THAT WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY RECREATIONAL AREA. RECREATIONAL TRAIL THAT GOES AROUND THE WETLAND, SO THE COMMUNITY COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES THERE ON THE PROPERTY.

SKIPPING AHEAD FOR A MOMENT, WE GET TO THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM.

I KNOW TIME IS LIMITED. OVERALL DRAINAGE, IS LIKE ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE PRE TREATMENT STORAGE.

AND STORAGE AREAS ARE LAKES AND SYSTEMS AND IN THE DEVELOPED AREA. ALL OF THE LAKES AND SYSTEMS, DISCHARGED INTO THE CENTRAL WETLAND AND ESSENTIAL WETLAND, AND VIA WETLAND, THEY CONVEY AND CARRY TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, WHERE IT DISCHARGES TO THE CORNER AND WORKING ITS WAY SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY.

IN THE VARIOUS DISCUSSIONS, THERE WAS CONCERN OF A DRAINAGE, WE AGREED TO PROVIDE A BERM. THE BERM, ACTUAL PLACEMENT, AND MOSTLY FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSIONS, WHO'S PROPERTY IS LOCATED AND OTHER PERMANENT AGENCIES. RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT PLAN, KIND OF MEANDERING, ALONG AND MEANDERING INTO THE PROPERTY.

GENERALLY RUNNING IN THE SOUTHERN BORDER BUT NOT ONE PARTICULAR PROPERTY LINE. WE CAN GET INTO MORE DETAIL.

AND THEY WILL TOUCH IN THE LAST TIME.

PRIMARY WATERS COMING IN, IN THE INTERSECTION OF DIXON AND U.S.

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1, WITH LOOP CONNECTIONS COMING IN DOWN SOUTH MARKET AND WE HAVE BEEN DIRECTED BY THE UA, TO HAVE A CONNECTION IN THE BERM LINES WITHIN THE ROAD, INTO THE SOUTH EASTERN CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT OF THE UA WE'RE WORKING WITH AND COORDINATING WITH THE TRACE, TO TRY TO OBTAIN EASEMENT.

LIST STATIONS, IN THE PROPERTY. ULTIMATELY DISCHARGES, RUNS ALONGSIDE U.S. SOUTH 1 AND IT GOES TO WHATEVER THE LOCATION IS IN THE FUTURE. PRIMARY ACCESS, RECONSTRUCTION OF U.S. 1 AND DIXON, REALIGNING IT SLIGHTLY.

MAKING SOME MINOR MODIFICATION, CITY OF FORT PIERCE REQUIREMENTS AND WE WILL BE BASICALLY MAKING SOME TWEAKS THERE, TOO.

EMERGENCY SECONDARY ACCESS IS FOUND AT THE SOUTHEAST AND THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY, ACCESSING THOSE AREAS IS LIMITED AND RESTRICTED TO EMERGENCY USE ONLY.

THERE'S KNOCKS BOX GATES IN THE PROPERTY AND IT'S NOT UP FOR DAILY USE, IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AND THERE'S ACCESS, THERE'S A WAY TO GET IN AND GET OUT BUT IT'S ALL BACKUP USES.

AND MOVING TO THE BRIEF ARCHITECTURAL.

THERE'S INDICATIONS OF ARCHITECTURAL IN THE TOWN HOMES AND FAMILY HOMES. IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

THERE'S CONTEMPORARY DESIGNS AND TRADITIONAL DESIGNS AND WE'RE SCROLLING THROUGH ALL OF THIS. LET ME GET TO THE PARTS THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AT THE MEETING THE OTHER DAY

>> ARE YOU SEEING THE PRESENTATION.

>> SAVANNAH, PRESERVE LOS QUESTION.

>> MADAM MAYOR, CAME UP FROM THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE MEETING THE OTHER NIGHT. AND TRAFFIC SERVICES.

WE SUBMITTED A TRAFFIC IMPACT REPORT TO THE CITY, TO THE D.O.T. AND THE REPORT WAS REVIEWED AND ULTIMATELY ACCEPTED AND THE BASIS FOR THE CIVIL MODIFICATIONS TAKING PLACE IN DIXON AND U.S. ONE. PRIMARY COMPONENT AND.

I RECEIVED THE FAR RIGHT HAND COLUMN OF THE GRAPHICS.

COUPLE OF THINGS IN HERE. SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, QUANTITATIVE, AND AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, MEETS THE DEFINITION OF SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. AND THAT TELLS US, THE NEXT STEP. YOU GO AND LOOK, WHAT THE LEVEL OF STANDARDS ARE. AND IT'S ACCEPTABLE IN ALL LOCATION. AND YOU WILL SEE THE COLUMN, SAYS, YES THAT MEANS, WE'RE AT LEAST, WHAT'S IN THE ACCEPTABLE RANGES, SET FORTH IN THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. QUESTION I WANT TO KNOW, WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE WHEN IT'S DONE. AND THAT'S THE CHART ON THE RIGHT. AND YOU SEE THE CIRCLE GREEN AREA. WE CAN SAY YES THAT TELLS US, WE NEED CONSISTENT WITH LEVEL OF STANDARDS, OF THE COUNTY FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

OTHER QUESTION, THE OPERATION IN THE INTERSECTION OF DIXON AND U.S. 1. DOES THAT MEET LEVEL OF STANDARD'S PRACTICE. LOOK AT THE FAR RIGHT SIDE, IT SAYS ADEQUATE. YOU SEE THE WORD YES AND THAT MEANS, RECOMMENDED IMPROVEMENTS ARE SUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN THE ACCEPTABLE METHOD OF SERVICE.

THAT'S THE KEY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN, WHAT'S IN THE CODE. NOT NECESSARILY, IF THERE'S PERCEPTION. AS WE KNOW, THAT'S PART THE CHALLENGE AND TRAFFIC. THAT'S DOWN IN ENVIRONMENTAL.

IT'S PART OF THE MATERIALS ON FILE.

THAT REPORT WAS REVIEWED AND WE'RE GETTING NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.

WE ASSUME IT'S ACCEPTABLE. WE'RE HAVING SOME LIMITED IMPACTS TO WETLAND AREAS. THERE'S SOME WETLAND AREAS THAT ARE IMPACTED. SOME FILMED, SOME LOW QUALITY

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WETLANDS. AND THE MAJORITY OF THE HIGH QUALITY -- I'M NOT GOING TO USE PRISTINE, ARE GOING TO BE PROTECTED IN PLACE, WITHOUT ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THEM.

THERE'S A QUESTION THAT CAME UP RELATIVE TO SINKHOLES.

WHETHER IT WILL CAUSE CREATION TO THE LAST MEETING.

WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THESE ARE THE COUNTIES THAT REPRESENT, THE HIGHEST RISK FOR SINKHOLES.

MOST OF THEM, OR ALL OF THEM, ARE IN THE WEST COAST, NORTH OF TAMPA. THE GEOGRAPHY AND GEOLOGY IN THE AREA IS DIFFERENT IN THE PART OF THE STATE.

WE WILL NOT HAVE THE SAME LEVEL, FOR THAT PROBLEM.

WILDLIFE, YES, WE WILL BE IMPACTING WILDLIFE.

THERE WILL BE ON THE SITE THAT ARE DISTURBED IN THE CONSTRUCTION. HOWEVER, PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF SITE CONSTRUCTION, WE ARE REQUIRED TO UNDERTAKE, SURVEYS AND OTHER REQUIRED SURVEYS TO RELOCATE, IDENTIFY AND PROTECT AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE WILDLIFE. THAT'S PART THE PROCESS.

WE HAVE THE PERMITS, PART OF THE AUTHORIZATION WITH THE SURVEYS.

WE WILL BE PROTECTING THE WILDLIFE.

HALF OF THE SITE IS BEING KEPT AS OPEN SPACE.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART TO REMEMBER.

FINALLY, YOU GET DRAINAGE. DRAINAGE, WE'RE REQUIRED, AS PART OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, REQUIRED TO PROVIDE CONCEPTIONIAL PLANS FOR DRAINAGE.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF COMING THROUGH AND GETTING CONSTRUCTION PERMITS. WE'RE RUNNING PARALLEL TRACKS IN ALL OF THIS. AS PART OF THE PD PROCESS, THAT'S WHERE I WILL CALL THE 30 PERCENT LEVEL.

THAT'S WHERE YOU SET THE GENERAL STANDARDS FOR WHERE YOU'RE GOING. THE CULMINATION OF THE ACTION, IS GOING TO BE WITH YOU TONIGHT. AND YOU'RE SAYING YES, HERE'S YOUR CONDITIONS. THE NEXT STEP, CONSTRUCTION PERMITTING AND OTHER IN THE PROCESS AND MOVING IN THE DESIGN LEVEL. THEN WE'LL MOVE IN THE CONSTRUCTION LEVEL. IT'S NOT BEING IGNORED.

IT'S WHERE IT FALLS IN THE PROCESS.

THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW, IS IN THE 30-60-90, TYPICAL FOR THE ROADWAY WORK. TAKE THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO COME IN AND DEAL WITH THAT.

WE WILL TO GET PERMITS, FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

NOW LET'S GO TO THE ISSUE PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THAT'S THE BERM ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

OUR EARLY DESIGNS ON THE SITE, BASICALLY, WE'RE TRYING TO COME IN AND ROUTE THE WATERS THROUGH THE SOUTHWEST PART OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE THE CURRENT, WE BELIEVE THE CURRENT, THE NATURAL, THE BULK OF THE DISCHARGE OF THE PROPERTY TAKES PLACE.

THAT'S WHERE IN THE PRIOR DEVELOPMENT REVIEWS, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY LOOKED AT THE DISCHARGE POINT.

IT'S GOING TO THE SOUTH, TO THE TRACE AND RUNS ALONG THE COUNTY ROAD THERE. IT DITCHES SOUTH AND GOES SOUTH TEN MILES CREEK. IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE AND I DON'T HAVE, WHERE YOU COULD SEE, WHERE IT SAYS, 16-7.

THE TOP OF THE LINE, THAT ROUGHLY REPRESENTS AND THAT CONTINUES TO GO TO RIGHT AND DROP DOWN TO THE BOTTOM.

YOU SEE HOW IT MIXES THAT COVE RIGHT THERE.

THEN IT GUESS EAST. THAT ROUGHLY REPRESENTS THE TOP OF THE BERM THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PROPOSE TO CONSTRUCT AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW. THAT ELEVATION, 16-7, BY COMPARESON. THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH OF US, IS THE GATED TRACE PROPERTY. THE UNDER DEVELOPED AREA AROUND, WHATEVER GULF HOLES IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER.

THOSE ELEVATIONS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA NEAR THE PROPERTY LINE ARE RUNNING ROUGHLY 17-5, 17, THAT RANGE, A LITTLE HIGHER.

THAT

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BACK AND SAYS THE BERM IS WRONG. DOES IT HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE

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CONDITION. I THINK THE CURRENT ANSWER IS

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NO. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT.

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WOULDN'T IT BE NICE THE COMMISSIONER TO HAVE THE ANSWER

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BEFORE IT MAKES THE DECISION? >> I THINK, THOSE KIND, I THINK

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WE'RE GOING TO NEVER AGREE ON . I THINK WE THINK THE CONDITIONS

ARE COVERING IT. >> WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO APPLY FOR APPROVAL, IF APPROVED, THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF WILL WORK

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WITH WHEN THEY COMPLETE THEIR TECHNICAL REVIEW.

THE TECHNICAL DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW ALL ASPECTS OF THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION AND INSURE THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.

THEY ARE LICENSED TO DO SO. >> AS MY EXPERIENCES, EVERY SINGLE THING THAT'S CONSTRUCTED IN THIS CITY, HAS GONE THROUGH ALL KINDS OF TECHNICAL REVIEW SO THAT WHATEVER IS BUILT DOESN'T

ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBOR. >> THAT'S CORRECT, MADAM MAYOR.

AND FOR YOU ALL TO TRY TO MAKE A DECISION, BASED ON THE CONCEPTIONAL DRAWING AND CONCEPTIONAL IDEA, I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO THE COMMISSION. YOU SHOULD ALLOW YOUR PROFESSIONALS TO REVIEW THE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS THAT FOLLOW THE REZONING AND SUBSEQUENT SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

>> BECAUSE IT'S BUILT INTO OUR DECISIONS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADVERSELY AFFECT THE NEIGHBORS.

PERIOD. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE STAY

AT TASK. >> THE RECORD, THE --

>> AND I AGREE WITH YOU IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

AVE QUESTION FOR THE INTERVENER. DOES YOUR CLIENTS HAVE ANY AGREEMENT, ANY MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT, ANY SOUTH WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT CONDITIONS THAT ALONG THE SOUTHERN, EXCUSE ME, THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER THAT.

THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN SUPPLEMENT THE RECORD.

>> I SEE SOME OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.

YOU POINTED TO OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE CLEAR THAT IS BASICALLY EAST OF LOUISE V-SHAPE CUL-DE-SAC, ABOVE THE WORD TRACE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SOUTH WATER DISTRICT PERMIT IN THE AREA TO ANSWER THAT AND BE ASSURED I

GAVE YOU THE CORRECT ANSWER. >> THAT'S FINE.

I UNDERSTAND. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THE LOCATION AND ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE AGREEMENTS.

THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

OKAY. NOW THIS IS THE TIME WHEN THE APPLICANT CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS, MR. INTERVENER. SO

SORRY. >> GREAT.

>> MR. MURPHY. >> AND I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. I THINK WHAT I'M OUTLINING, IS MORE ON THE LINES, WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES.

WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES. AND I THINK SOMEWHERE, ONE OF THE COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE MAY DISAGREE ON HOW TO IMPLEMENT THE RULES. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AS THEY ARE WRITTEN RIGHT NOW. WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, LOST THE OPPORTUNITY.

SORRY TO HEAR THAT. >> FOR WHAT WE HAVE.

>> AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY SCRIPT SAYS, THE STAFF, THE STAFF HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE

INTERVENER? >> NO, MADAM MAYOR.

>> OKAY. . >> MAY WE BE EXCUSED?

>> NOT YET. ALMOST

>> ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS FOR THE INTERVENER? I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW OUR RULES AND BE FAIR TO YOU.

>> FAIR ENOUGH. >> BASED ON JUST ANYTHING THAT WAS JUST ASKED. ANY FURTHER REFLECTION.

NOW YOU MAY BE EXCUSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT'S NOW TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. >> CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT YOU

WERE SWORN IN. >> CONFIRM WHETHER OR NOT YOU

WERE SWORN IN. >> PAUL, I WAS SWORN IN.

I SAW THIS MEETING TWICE ON QB. I LIVE PROBABLY TO THE EAST, TO THE WEST OF DIXON ROAD, NORTH OF DIXON.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT DRAINAGE. DRAINAGE, IS ALWAYS A PROBLEM.

I'VE BEEN FLOODED MANY TIMES IN THE PAST YEAR.

I REQUESTED ANY INFORMATION AND I DIDN'T GET ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY. I DID HAVE A CHAT FROM THEN MURPHY HERE. SO THIS IS NOT COMING IN MY WAY,

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WHICH WOULD MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING WEST OF U.S. 1 ON DIXON ROAD.

AND IF IT DOES, ON THE LEFT SIDE, TO THE POINT, TO THE AREA OF HIGH POINT ENTRANCE. HIGH POINT HAS AN UNDERGROUND COVERT, AT THAT POINT, THAT GOES WEST, AND SOUTH AND NO MATTER HOW TO SPREAD IT ALL, I KNOW EVERY SQUARE, NEAR, RIGHT OF THE AREA, WITH DRAINAGE. AND THE LAST SOUTH, AND I'M CONCERNED THAT SOME WATER MAY GET PUSHED OUT THE COVERT AT PINES MOBILE HOME PARK THERE, AT HIGH POINT ENTRANCE.

I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT. I'M NOT AGAINST.

AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS, BUT I'M WORRIED ABOUT DRAINAGE.

THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF STORMY WATER THERE BEFORE.

AND THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED. LET ME SAY THIS HERE.

I LIKE WHAT JOHN KERRY SAID. AND HONESTLY, I WATCH IT A SECOND TIME AT THE LAST MEETING. THE ENTIRE COMMISSION, THE IMPACT OF THE ROAD. YOU'VE BEEN EDUCATED A LOT SINCE THE LAST TIME IN THE LAST FEW DAYS, BUT AT THAT MEETING, NONE OF YOU WERE RELATED, PUSHED THE WATER OUT.

RIGHT NOW SECOND HEARING, HAS NOTHING, AND IT DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING. IT'S TODAY, IT IS TODAY, WHEN ALL THINGS ARE BEING. THAT'S VERY PAINFUL TO WATCH, HONESTLY. I THINK YOUR ATTORNEY WAS VERY TIMID, JUST BEFORE YOU FALL ANOTHER NOTCH.

>> THAT'S YOUR TIME'S UP, SIR >> CITY ATTORNEY SHOULD ANSWER.

>> THE TIME IS UP. >> AND CITY MAGISTRATE, THAT'S

HER POSITION. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NEXT PERSON.

THE NEXT PERSON, PLEASE COME UP TO THE -- IS THERE ANY OTHERS THAT WANT TO SPEAK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE.

IF YOU WOULD LINE UP IN THE MIDDLE AISLE.

>> MY NAME IS P. JACKSON. I LIVE IN LAKESIDE SAVANNAH DEVELOPMENT JUST TO THE NORTH OF HIGH POINT.

>> WERE YOU SWORN IN, MR. JACKSON, YES, I WAS.

>> PROCEED. >> AND JUST TO THE NORTH OF HIGH POINT. WE, AS WELL AS HIGH POINT, HAVE CONCERNS ON ACCESS ON WEEK ONE. AND THIS IS HOW THE GOVERNMENTS HAS MADE IT AS THE DENSITY GETS HIGHER AND HIGHER, PROPER FLOW NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.

IF YOU LOOK AT DIXON DRIVE, WHICH THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES TO, INTERSECTION OF WEEK ONE, WHICH WILL MAKE IT MUCH MORE, INTERSECTION CAN HANDLE A LOT MORE TRAFFIC.

IF YOU LOOK IF YOU GO TO THE EAST DRIVE, AND THAT'S THE CANAL HERE. AND YOU COULD SEE IT ON THERE, THE DEVELOPER HAS A BRIDGE OVER THE CANAL, THAT GOES TO THE DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU GO ALONG, NORTH ALONG THE CANAL. YOU REACH THE HIGH POINT ACCESS ROAD, HIGH POINT DRIVE. THERE'S NO REASON, A ROAD COULD BE BUILT ALONG THE CANAL. AND THE COUNTY DEVELOPER GETS INVOLVED WITH THE COUNTY. OF COURSE.

>> ADDRESS THE COMMISSION -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS HIM

>> AND IT'S A COUNTY ROAD. THE COUNTY WILL BE INVOLVED AS WELL MUCH THE IDEA, WE CAN HAVE HIGH POINT, HAVE TRAFFIC HEIGHT ACCESS TO ROUTE ONE, ON DIXON DRIVE, HUGGING THE ROAD ALONG THE CANAL. WHERE IT REACHES THE HIGH POINT ROAD, SAVANNAH AND ALSO BE THERE.

AND WE CAN JOIN, TRACKING ACCESS TOO, ALONG WITH THE TWO

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NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. SO THIS WOULD BE LOCAL GOVER GOVERNMENTS DEVELOPER TO CONSIDER, IMPROVING THE ACCESS TO WEEK ONE BY DIXON DRIVE.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NEXT. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> IF YOU WOULD LINE UP OVER

HERE >> I RESIDE AT GARDEN VILLAGE

>> AND SHOWING ON THE ROAD, IN THE BACK CUL-DE-SAC, WHERE THE WATER FLOODS, THE WATER DOESN'T TRAVEL NORTH IN THE AREA.

AND THE REASON WE KNOW THAT, THE BACKYARDS, IN THE CUL-DE-SAC, FLOOD A LOT. THE ROADWAY REMAINS CLEAR UNTIL YOU EXIT THE CUL-DE-SAC. AS YOU MOVE SOUTH, THE ROADS COULD FLOOD. TWO FOOT BERM, YOU GUYS MIGHT AS WELL NOT BOTHER. WE WORK IN THE AREA, FOR 40 YEARS. THAT WOULD BE NO GOOD.

I MENTIONED THE CANNERO, WHETHER WE PUT IN A COVERT.

THE COVERT HAS IN DANGER OF WASHING OUT.

YES, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORS.

WE HAVE TO LOOK 20 YEARS AHEAD AND LOOK AT WATER TABLES.

IT CAN'T BE A BERM DEFECT. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> NEXT, PLEASE >> SORRY FOR THE MIX-UP

>> WERE YOU SWORN IN? >> I WAS SWORN, MY NAME IS SUE TRAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. I WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT, THAT WE, AND THAT INCLUDES ALL OF US HERE, WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BEST WATER MANAGEMENT SOLUTION, BOTH FOR THE PLANNED KNEE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS TO EXIST IN NEIGHBORS.

THE BEST SOLUTION IS, I BELIEVE IS PROBABLY PERHAPS NOT DETERMINED YET. THERE'S CERTAINLY A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE BERM. IS THE BERM THE RIGHT PLACE, THE RIGHT SIZE OR IS IT A RIGHT SOLUTION.

I THINK IT'S A QUESTION THAT'S STILL OUT THERE UNTIL THE PROPER AUTHORITIES HAVE TO WEIGH IN AND APPROVE.

THE DISTRICT AND CITY MANAGERS, THAT'S THEIR JOB, THAT'S THEIR EXPERTISE. WHO YOU ENTRUST TO INFER THE PROCESS. THE EXISTING SIX CONDITIONS THAT WERE LAID OUT, ONLY PERTAIN TO THE EXISTING SOLUTION OF A BERM IN THE COUNTY EASEMENT. IT IS IMPERATIVE TO MOVE FORWARD AT THIS TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO YOU, THAT CONDITIONS BE BROADEN TO ALLOW FOR ULTIMATE SOLUTIONS TO BE CONSIDERED, YOU KNOW, FOR THE WATER TABLE AND AS WELL AS GRAND WATER TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE SOLUTION.

CLEARLY, A PIECE OF THE PROJECT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO GET RIGHT FOR ALL THE PARTIES CONCERNED.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YES, MA'AM. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

WERE YOU SWORN IN? >> NO.

>> ALL RIGHT. SHE NEEDS TO BE SWORN.

>> YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

>> CERTAINLY WILL. >> MY NAME IS VELMA FAULKNER.

I LIVE IN HIGH POINT. I BELIEVE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS PRESENTED TO YOU, BEFORE YOU MAKE THE DECISION THAT WILL AFFECT SEVERAL COMMUNITIES.

TO GET THE WAIT FOR THE LETTER, ONE OF THE THINGS GET THE LETTER, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED. IT SEEMS LIKE, IT'S GOING TO GO HERE. IT'S GOING TO GO THERE.

YOU CAN'T MAKE THE DECISION UNLESS YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS.

I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ALL THE FACTS, IN MY PERSONAL OPINION.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? NOW YOUR TURN. ANYONE ELSE.

>> OKAY. WE ARE NOW CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

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>> MADAM MAYOR. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT AND THE INTERVENER AND STAFF TO

MAKE ANY FINAL COMMENTS. >> YES IF THAT'S THERE, I MISSED THAT. SO SHOULD I START WITH THE

APPLICANT. >> YES, MAM.

WE'RE AT PARAGRAPH 22. >> THANK YOU.

>> I HAD TO TURN THE PAGE OVER. >> YES, SIR.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY CLOSING REMARKS.

LET ME SEE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

>> I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY LENGTHY SET OF INSTRUCTIONS.

>> I DO >> MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONERS, VERY BRIEFLY. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AS THEY ARE WRITTEN. WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROCESSES THAT THE CITY HAS EMPLOYED FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OR THE LIKE TYPE ADNAUSEUM. WE HAVE CITATION OF ELEVATION, 16-7 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS. IF THE NUMBERS COMES BACK, IT NEEDS TO BE 17-5, IT WILL BE 17-5678 THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. YOU WORK IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGE. YOU MOVE TO THE DESIGN STAGE AND YOU MOVE INTO CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND WE'RE FOLLOWING THE RULES AS PRESENTED.

I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE COME IN AND ADDRESSED AS MANY OF THE COMMUNITY ISSUES AS WE CAN. THERE'S SOME ISSUES.

THAT'S AN EXCELLENT TOPIC, 20 BRING UP POTENTIAL FUNDING ACTIVITY. THAT'S NOT US.

THAT'S NOT -- WILL WE SUPPORT IT? PROBABLY. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT GOES BEYOND US.

IT'S GOOD, TO BE BROUGHT UP IN THIS KIND OF FORM.

THERE'S ALL PAST TO FOLLOW AS YOU KNOW.

DRAINAGE, SEEMS TO BE A BIG ISSUE IN THE PARTICULAR SITE.

WE WILL FOLLOW THE RULES, AS THEY ARE WRITTEN, AS THE PROCESSES ARE PRESCRIBED. TO THAT END, OTHER THAN OUR CULTURALLY DEVELOPMENT, IS ANXIOUS TO BRING THE PROCESS TO THE CITY. WE'RE ANXIOUS TO HAVE THE CITY EXPAND AS TAXABLE BASIS AND ADD ADDITIONAL VALUE TO THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE CITY HERE. WITH THAT, REMAIN AVAILABLE, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I RESPECTIVELY REQUEST, CHIEF COME IN, TO APPROVE ON FIRST READ AND TAKE IT FROM THERE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY.

>> IT NEVER HAS TO BE TRANSCRIBED.

AND FOR THE INTERVENER. >> JOHN KERRY, ON BEHALF, YOU HEARD A LOT OF INPUT FROM THE APPLICANT, CERTAINLY ARGUMENT FROM MY SIDE. THAT'S A LOT TO WEIGH FOR YOU ALL. I HEARD A LOT OF, WE'RE PLAYING BY THE RULES. THIS IS HOW IT'S ALWAYS DONE.

THEY PROVIDE FOR YOU ALL, TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISION. THAT'S BROUGHT UP BY THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BROUGHT UP BY ME. THERE'S NO RUSH TO GET THIS DONE TONIGHT. THERE'S ONE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT RIGHT. MAKE A FIRM DECISION.

IT'S COMMON SENSE TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION, BEFORE YOU DETERMINE THE BUILDING OF THE COMMUNITY AND HOW IT WILL IMPACT THE NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH. THANK YOU.

>> STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS?

>> AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS MEETING GOING AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE DISPLAYS OF APPROVAL.

THIS IS NOT A TV SHOW. ALL RIGHT.

STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY IN CLOSING?

>> JUST WANT TO BRIEFLY COMMENT, MADAM MAYOR, KEVIN FRIEDMAN, PLANNED DIRECTOR. I WANT THE COMMISSION TO BE AWARE AND EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT, THAT ANY SUBSEQUENT PERMIT THAT'S GRANTED AS A SITE PLANNED PERMIT DOES NOT ABSOLVE THEENGINEER OF RECORD, FROM THE APPLICANT'S POINT OF VIEW, FROM MAINTAINING, GUARANTEEING, THAT IS OPERATING IN PERPETUITY AS DESIGNED AS IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.

THE HONNOUS IS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD THAT SUBMITS THE PLANS, THE CITY WILL REVIEW AND EXTRA THAT WILL BE REVIEWED, AND THEY

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WILL BE HELD TO THE OPERATIONAL COMMITMENTS, BASED ON THE

SUBMITTALS. >> THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S IT FOR YOU THEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO AT THIS TIME THE APPLICANT MAY RESPOND TO THE PARTY INTERVENERS FINAL COMMENTS. DO YOU HAVE ANY RESPONSE?

>> THAT'S ONE MINUTE, MAYOR. >> THAT'S ONE MINUTE.

>> AND VERY BRIEF COMMENT? >> YOUR NAME.

>> YES, THAT, TOO. DENNIS MURPHY, CULPEPPER INTERPRETING. THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN THE PROJECT FOR H FOR A LONG TIME.

WE'VE HAD A NUMBER ISSUES, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT.

IT'S GETTING TO THE POINT, SOMEWHAT TIMEDENCE SENSITIVE.

WE HAVE EARLY PROCESSING DELAYS. NO ONE COULD FORESEE, THAT KIND OF HELD US UP. WE BELIEVE, WE HAVE SAID, THERE'S SAFEGUARDS IN THE SYSTEM, OUTLINES IN THE SYSTEM.

AND THEABLE THAT WHAT WE HAVE NOW WORKS.

YOU KNOW. ALL I COULD ASK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING WE CAN NOT LIVE UP TO AND WE WILL LIVE UP TO WHAT YOU SAY. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE TIME FOR THIS KIND OF PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS CLOSED; RIGHT? NOW IT COMES BACK TO THE COMMISSION. AND WE WILL HAVE DISCUSSION AND MAKE A DECISION. ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO START?

>> MADAM MAYOR, I WILL START. I DON'T CARE.

I WILL START. I JUST WANT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS. I'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH SEVERAL OTHER APPLICANTS SINCE TAKING HIS SEAT.

AND ANY VOTE TONIGHT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THIS PROJECT GETS DONE. IS THAT CORRECT?

? >> REZONING.

REZONING. >> IT'S JUST REZONING.

>> AND SO OUT THERE REZONING, THEN THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH OTHER PERMITS, OTHER QUESTIONS, EVERYTHING ELSE TO TIE ENGINEERS TO PLANNING BOARDS TO ALL THESE BOARDS FOR YOU GUYS TO REVIEW. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT; RIGHT? MAYBE IT'S JUST ME. EVERYBODY IS WAITING ON THE REPORT. IF THIS REPORT COMES BACK AND SAYS, DON'T DO THIS, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO COME TELL US, HEY, THEY SAID DON'T DO THIS AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ISSUE A PERMIT FOR A PROJECT. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, HOW THIS WORKS. I THINK I KNOW HOW IT WORKS, BUT I PUT IT ON THE RECORD. EVERYBODY HERE, THIS IS HOW IT

WORKS. >> I THINK YOU COULD ASK

MR. NIMS BUT NOT THIS STAFF. >> MAYOR, THAT'S HOW IT WILL BE.

AND THIS IS THE PROCEDURE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN THE SEAT.

THEY COME WITH A GENERAL CONCEPT.

WE SAY YES OR NO. WE REZONE IT AND THEY GO TO WORK TO ACTUALLY SENDING, WHAT THEY WANT TO BUILD.

WE RELY ON OUR ENGINEERS, OUTSIDE AGENCIES, TO REVIEW EVERYTHING, TO MAKE SURE ALL THE CONCERNS I'M HEARING HAS BEEN ADDRESSED. SO THEN, THEY COME BACK, IF THEY ARE NOT ADDRESSED, WE DON'T GET PERMITS.

THE CITY DOESN'T ISSUE PERMITS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TO GO FORWARD. IS THAT CREDIT CARD.

ANY VOTE TONIGHT, DOESN'T MEAN, SHOVELS ON THE GROUND; RIGHT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT >> THANK YOU.

>> EVERYBODY IS LAUGHING AT ME. I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

I HAVE TWO MEETINGS, THAT HAVE RESIDENTS, IN THIS CHAMBER, WANT THIS QUESTION ASKED. I HAVE A DEVELOPER WHO HAS FOLLOWED OUR PROCEDURES. HE DID WHAT HE TOLD THEM TO DO.

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I WANT EVERYBODY TO KNOW, HOWEVER WE VOTE TONIGHT, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOING TO WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE BULLDOZERS AND EVERYTHING, AT THIS PROPERTY. THEY HAVE TO GO GET THE OTHER PERMITS AND ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, YOU CLARIFYING FOR ME.

>> WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT? >> I FOLLOW THAT.

ECHOING OFF A COUPLE OF POINTS THERE.

AND I'M ALWAYS EXCITED THE PUBLIC COMES IN AND ENGAGES US.

IT'S ALWAYS A LEARNING PROCESS. QUAZI JUDICIAL HEARINGS, WE DON'T TAKE LIGHTLY. IT'S CONFIDENTIAL EVIDENCE.

AND WE'VE BEEN DOWN, QUASY JUDICIAL.

AND THEY ARE RIGHTS WITH PEOPLE WHO OWN THE PROPERTY.

IN SOME CASES SUPERCEDE WHAT YOU THINK, THE LOCAL AUTHORITY CAN AND CAN'T IMPOSE. AS I'M SITTING HERE AND RECOLLECTING WHAT MY FELLOW CITIZEN IS SAYING, IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS, SINCE I WAS KNOWN IN A BOAT, AND THE PROCESS THAT GOES BEYOND, AND PRANKLING ON THE ENGINEERING AND THE TECHNICAL SPOT. WE'RE JUST POLICYMAKERS.

>> DOES IT IF FIT THE ZONE. AS I LOOK THROUGH THE LENS OF THAT, I'M SENSITIVE AND ARE HERE ABOUT -- THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR PROPERTY BEING IMPACTED OR DAMAGE.

I HEAR THAT LOUDLY AND CLEARLY. I LOOK AS WE LOOK AT THE CITY STAFF ENGINEERS, WE WILL PUT A STAFF OF APPROVAL, IF WE DECIDE, TO MOVE IN, TO MAKE SENSE, WITHOUT THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS ARE CORRECT. WE ALSO HAVE ONE OF OUR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, SELENA GRIFFITH, SHE'S HERE.

SHE'S BEEN LISTENING TO THE ENTIRE CONVERSATION.

SHE'S HEARD THE CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC.

IT IS HER RESPONSIBILITY AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, AS IT IS MIND, AS WELL AS A CITY ENGINEER TO INSURE THE PUBLIC WILL NOT BE HARMED BY THE DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT ADHERES TO ALL SOUTH DEVELOPMENT CITY DESIGN. AND FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT HAS JUST OCCURRED, THAT'S BEEN READ INTO THE RECORD.

THESE ARE RECORDS. AS PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT YOU, THIS IS A LEGAL COURT DOCUMENT THAT COULD COME BACK AT SOME POINT. WE'RE ASSURING THAT THERE WILL NO BE DETRIMENT TO THE OWNERS OF HIGH POINT.

WE'RE ALL TIED TO THAT WHAR POINT WE DECIDE TO GO.

WE WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND, THERE'S ALWAYS RECOURSE.

AND IT'S ALL ABOUT, MAKING THE DECISIONS TO IMPACT THE TO OF

FORT POOERT. >> I AGREE WHAT'S BEEN SAD IF YOU IT'S LIKE HIGH POINT. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS THE LAST TIME. WHEN HIGH POINT BUILT, EVERYBODY WAS IN ARMS. WE GOT BUILT AND WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND IT'S DONE. HERE'S A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY WHERE THEY'VE TAKEN A LOOK AND ANY WAY THEY CAN POSSIBLY CAN, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD 2600 HOME SITES AND IT'S NOW 650, PROBABLY NEGATE BY THE WETLANDS IN THE CENTER OF IT. WHICH I'M HAPPY THEY ARE NOT WETTING THE WETLAND. AND WE LOOK AT THE FACTS.

THEY ARE VETTED THE PUBLICING BOARD.

I WATCHED PARTY. OUR PLANNING BOARD VOLUNTEERS GET INTO THE WEEDS INTO EVERYTHING.

IT'S A BIG HELP TO US, BY THE TIME IT GETS HERE.

IT'S BEEN VETTED BY STAFF, IT'S BEEN VETTED BY THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S VETTED BY THE COMMUNITY. WE HAD NOT HAD INTERVENERS

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BEFORE, BUT THIS INTERVENER DID A GREAT JOB.

WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, IS FOLLOW THE FACTS.

A LOT OF THE SUGGESTIONS WERE BROUGHT UP, THIS COULD WORK, THAT COULD WORK. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR.

WHAT WE HAVE TO HEAR, WE HAVE FACTS IN FRONT OF US.

IF THOSE FACTS AREN'T TRUE, IF THOSE FACTS DON'T WORK, WE NEED TO HEAR IT NOW. WE HEARD A LOT OF SUGGESTIONS.

WE ALREADY GONE DOWN THE ROAD. WE THINK THE PROCESS IS WORKING FINE ALL THE WAY TO THE MOMENT IN TIME.

I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT, YOU KNOW, I FEEL THAT THE PUBLIC HAS HAD THEIR SAY. BUT I HAVE TO GRAB ON TO THE FACTS, IF I WAS GOING TO DENY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I FELT, I HAVE TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT I VOTE NO, BECAUSE I HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF ME, THAT STATES THE FACT, THAT EVERYTHING YOU SUBMITTED WAS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.

I DO NOT HAVE THAT. I HAVE TO RELY ON THAT.

I HAVE TO RELY ON STAFF TO BE ABLE TO CERTIFY THAT INFORMATION TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE IS RIGHT AND CORRECT.

I HAVE TO RELY ON THE FACT, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS DONE THEIR JOB AND EMBEDDED EVERYTHING. AND TIME NOW IN THE QUAZI JUDICIAL HEARING, THAT I'M SATISFIED WITH WHAT I'VE HEARD AND I THINK IT'S TIME TO GO TO THE NEXT STAGE.

>> SO, YEAH. PATHWAY TO THIS HAS BEEN FOLLOWED ACCORDING TO OUR PROCEDURES.

THIS IS A REZONING. THIS IS A REZONING HEARING.

BUT I WANT TO SAY, I APPRECIATE, YOU CARING AND TELLING US, BECAUSE THIS HELPS WITH THE RECORD.

THIS HELPS, THIS BRINGS IT TO US HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.

IT BRINGS IT TO US, WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR AREA AND I WILL HAVE TO SAY, THAT WE DO A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE OATH.

WE CAN'T SOLVE THE FLOODING PROBLEMS IN VADER TRACE, WHATEVER THEY ARE, BUT WE CAN NOT EXACERBATE THEM.

IS THAT CORRECT? WHATEVER HAPPENS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, CANNOT MAKE THAT ANY WORST.

THEY CAN'T CURE IT EITHER. I SAT ON THE BOARD.

THE UTILITY ENGINEERS, THEY DO THEIR WORK AND DO THEIR PLANS AND THEY FIGURE OUT HOW THEIR SYSTEM WORKS AND TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY NEED APPROVAL FOR PROPERTY OR SOMETHING ELSE.

OF COURSE, THEY GET APPROVAL. THEY WORK OUT WHAT THE BEST WAY TO PROVIDE THEIR SERVICES TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S THEIR DECISION AND THE ENGINEER'S BEST WORK AND TO THE EXTENT THEY NEED TO GET APPROVAL, THEY DO GET APPROVAL.

AND I DON'T BLAME YOU FOR BEING WORRIED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.

THE PERSON WHO SAID, ALL FLORIDA HAS TO WORRY, THAT'S TRUE.

FLORIDA NOW HAS MORE PEOPLE THAN IT'S EVER HAD AND EXPECTING MORE PEOPLE. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY FROM OTHER THINGS AND OTHER STATES.

WE HAVE BECOME THE PARADISE AND THE WHOLE STATE IS AT SEA LEVEL.

WE UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A FLORIDA PROBLEM.

I THINK OUR ENGINEERS AND OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

MR. MENDS, HAS GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED US, AND IT IS VERY MUCH OF AN EYE OPENER. I'VE HEARD FROM EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT HEAD THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS, IS THAT RESILLIENCY FOR FLORIDA'S FUTURE, IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEMS WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS.

WE AS A CITY, KNOW WE HAVE TO DO IT, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE A COASTAL CITY. WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON

>> ONE MOMENT, YES THANK YOU.

YOU LEARNED A LOT FROM THE FELLOW COLLEAGUES HERE AND WE WILL ECHO THE EXACT SAME SENTIMENTS.

AND I WILL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ENGINEER MYSELF.

LET'S SAY, IT'S IN THE HANDS OF THE ENGINEERS WE HAVE TO.

WE LIVE IN THE SQUARE BOXES OF THE WORLD AND WE UNDERSTAND

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THAT. AT THE SAME TIME, WE DESIGN AND THE ENGINEERS ARE DESIGNING, BASED ON THE CONDITIONS AND THE DATA REVIEW OF THE TESTIMONY TONIGHT ABOUT BERMS AND PROPOSED ELEVATIONS AND WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAY OR MAY NOT GET CHANGED BASED ON THE TESTIMONY THAT'S HEARD TONIGHT.

WHAT I DO KNOW, IN THE TESTIMONY, THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, THAT THE CITY AND STAFF IS REVIEWING SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT PERMIT. ENGINEERS RECORD ARE REVIEWING.

THE ENGINEERS, CULPEPPER AND INTERPRET, IS GOING TO SIGN AND SEAL WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL LICENSE WITH THIS DESIGN.

THEN WE HAVE THE D.O.T. FOLKS AND THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS.

THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER AGENCIES INVOLVED INCLUDING ST. LUCIE COUNTY. WE TALKED ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CANAL THAT IS TO THE WEST OF THE PROJECT, THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH. SO AT THE SAME TIME, WHILE I'M A RESIDENT, LIKE ALL OF YOU, REACH OUT TO MAINTENANCE THAT ARE IN CHARGE OF THE CANAL TO HELP THE CANAL SYSTEM.

THE LAST MEETING, WE HEARD TESTIMONY OF THE DISCHARGE OF THE PARCEL AND WHERE DOES IT FLOWS TO? IT FLOWS TO THE WEST. IT GETS OVER TO THE NORTH FORK OF THE SAINT LOUISY. THERE'S TESTIMONY OF THE APPLICANT, STORM WATER TREATMENT AREA.

ALL OF THIS IS CONNECTED. IT'S ALL CONNECTED.

WE'RE DOING OUR PART AS RESIDENTS, AS ENGINEERS, AS FOLKS WHO JUST LIVE IN FORT PIERCE TO TREAT THE RUNOFF FROM OUR ENVIRONMENT, FROM THE ENVIRONMENT WE CREATE, INCLUDING ROADWAYS, INCLUDING ROOFTOPS AND ALLOWING IT TO GO TO THE ACTION AREAIES. THE TRAFFIC IMPACT, DIDN'T SEEM SIGNIFICANT. THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER TALKED ABOUT A FUTURE GROWTH AT 2026, I BELIEVE IN THE REPORT, THEY SAW.

SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. WHAT ELSE WAS THERE IN TESTIMONY AND GOING TO, ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND HOW WE HAVE TO EVACUATE THIS AND HEAR TESTIMONY TO DENY OR POSTPONE.

IN THIS REZONING, THE REZONING FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

WE ZONE FROM COMMERCIAL TO RES DEBTIAL, TO COMMERCIAL.

AND IN THIS CASE, WE'RE LOOKING FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND IN FRONT OF US IN THE PUBLIC FORMAT TODAY. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL THE INTRICATE DETAILS. THE OTHER THING IS, WHAT HE THE ELEVATION OF THE BERM AND WHAT'S THE ELEVATION AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY. AND IT'S SOME ELEVATION OF 6, 7, OR 8 FEET. WE THINK OF PERSPECTIVE OF HOW TALL, IS JEREMIAH JOHNSON, ABOUT 6 FOOT TALL.

THE DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION WAS. I'M MOST APPRECIATIVE OF A UNIQUE PIECE OF PROPERTY, BEING PROTECTED, IN A FARE THAT'S AN INCR INCREDIBLE.

AND I'M LOOKING AT FROM TESTIMONY OF THE PROJECT AND THE APPLICANTS, CONCERNS FOR THE EM BERM, CONCERNS FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. YES, WE HAVE TO BE AWARE OF AND APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FLORIDA.

WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FORT PIERCE. WHERE ARE THE AQUA FORS BEING RECHARGED? YOU KNOW, I COULD TELL YOU, IT'S PART OF THE AREA. IT'S PART OF THE VIRGINIA,

AVENUE CORRIDOR. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT IP.

AND MAYBE WE DOEB FINEIT DETAILS OF THE AQUA FOR.

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IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAESH. AND THE CONCERNS OF OUR RUSS DENTS WITHOUT A DOUBTS. ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS APPRECIATES THAT. THE OTHER ASPECTS OF IMPACT ARE VERY CRITICAL AND VERY IMPORTANT.

THERE'S SOME GREAT QUESTIONS FROM THE INTERVENERS HOW HYDROLOGY. AND AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PAST, U.S. 1 ONLY BEING U.S. 1, HOW HAS THAT IMPACTED THE AREA.

THOSE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN LAEJ LAYTIVE AS EFFECT. IF I WERE TO MOVE FORWARD AND NOT BE POSTPONED. IF IT'S POSTPONED, WE WILL CONTINUE FON WITH THE SECTION. I I HAVE NO.

>> CONTRADICTION, AND TO SAY, I HAVE TO VOTE NO, AND THIS IS WHY, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE SET IN STONE TODAY.

THAT'S WHERE I AM TODAY. >> SO IS THERE ANYBODY PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION? DOES ANYBODY -- DO WE AGREE WITH

THE CONDITIONS. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS. NUMBER TWO, ALL REQUIRED RADIOLOGY ISSUE LANGUAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WANT TO MODIFY, THERE WAS A REQUEST TO MODIFY THAT. I DON'T THINK ANY REQUIRED PERMITS, IS GOING TO BE APPLIED FOR, YOU KNOW, IS GOING TO STOP PROGRESS, IF THAT'S PART OF AT THAT.

>> I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN. BETWEEN STAFF, MR. NIMS AND THE ATTORNEY, YOU COULD HELP US OUT ON THAT? THAT'S ONE POINT I HEARD AND I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT?

>> IT SEEM ED. AND MEET.

MRS. EARLY. >> MAY DAM MAYOR, I LISTEN TO IT. TRM TO THE EXTENT THAT SOMETHING MINOR IS BEING DONE, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A STATE REGULATED PERMIT OR COUNTY REGULATED PERMIT, OTHER THAN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT WORK.

I THINK THE WORD REQUIRED IS THE NECESSARY AND SUFFICIENT WORDS THERE. I'M NOT READING IT THAT WAY.

>> GETTING RID OF IT. VERDEAL, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE

SAYING. >> I'M READING IT AS.

I HAVE THE -- >> SORRY, TALKING LIKE A LAWYER

>> MY QUESTION, WOULD BE, YOU'RE INTERPRETING THAT IN SUCCESSION OF A TYPICAL PERMIT APPLICATION PROCESS, IS WHAT YOU'RE

INTERPRETATION. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND I SEE THE MANAGER WANTS TO SPEAK.

OBVIOUSLY, THE PROCESS THAT >> YOU GET PERMIT TO BUILD STUFF. YOU COULD TELL US HERE.

>> I HATE TO OVERSIMPLIFY THIS, BUT THIS IS REALLY NOT A CONDITION. THE DEVELOPER HAS TO COME TO THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT ANYWAY, TO REQUIRE THIS IS BASICALLY --

>> IT'S BASICALLY SAYING, FOLLOW THE LAW, FOLLOW THE RULES.

>> >> FOR MY SAKE, IT'S NOT JUST US. WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC COME OUT AND ENGAGE US. WE SPEND AN ABUNDANT AMOUNT OF

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TIMES WITH YOU AND THE LAWYER. WE WANT TO WELCOME THE PUBLIC.

NOT ONLY ON THIS. THIS IS HOW WE CONTINUE TO BE

BETTER LEDGE LAY THANK YOU. >> IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED.

>> COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT EVERY ONE UNDERSTAND, YES, THERE'S A PERMITTING PROCESS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED IN ORDER FOR WORK TO BE DONE.

WE CAN'T IGNORE THE THE DISTINCTION, TO A MODERN APPROVAL PLAN AND MAJOR MODIFICATION.

ANY MAJOR MODIFICATION, WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS. IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER BY STAFFER. IT'S GOING TO PLANNING BOARD.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DISTINCTION IS CLARIFIED

AND WE CLIER IT FOR THE RECORD. >> THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO IS SOMEONE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION NUMBER 4, WE TALKED ABOUT THE DRY AND ENTRANCE -- I THINK THAT'S CLEAR ENOUGH IN MY MIND I BELIEVE. WITH WOESHG.

SO I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MY COLLEAGUE'S OPINION IS ON THAN.

IT'S IN THE APPLICATION. >> IT'S SOMEWHERE.

IT'S >> I DIDN'T, AND THEY -- THE

PERSON THAT OWNS THE SHOP THERE >> IT'S GOOD TO MAKE US THINK

ABOUT IT. >> LRLT.

IS ANYONE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> MADAM, MAYOR. I MOVE WE APPROVE ORDINANCE, 22-07 FOR REZONING PARCELLS OF LAND 6 FULT.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> AND ENTIRE STAFF, ASKED TO POSTPONE JULY 18TH, BECAUSE IT

HAS TO BE HELD SECOND READING. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU COULD TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE, I WOULD REALLY

APPRECIATE IT. >> NO, NO, NO.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT. >> PRELIMINARY PLATT, THE STAFF

[d. STAFF REQUESTS THIS ITEM BE POSTPONED TO JULY 18, 2022. (Quasi-Judicial Hearing Postponed from June 21, 2022) - Review and approval of an application for Preliminary Plat, submitted by Property Owner(s) Karma Capital Investments, LP and Applicant, Kolter Land Partners, LLC (Culpepper & Terpening, Inc.), to subdivide approximately 132.7 acres of land (more or less) for The Preserve at Savannah Lakes Planned Development located at or near the east side of S US Highway 1 at the intersection of Dickson Drive and lying North of the existing Gator Trace Planned Development in Fort Pierce, FL. The Developer/Applicant is required to enter into an agreement with the City of Fort Pierce and post the appropriate bond regarding the completion of the outstanding site work during the Final Plat approval process. The property is currently zoned General Commercial (C-3) and Planned Development (PD) Parcel Control Numbers: 2427-433-0002-000-1, 2427-433-0001-000-4, 2434-121-0001-000-8, 2426-333-0015-000-5.]

IS ASKING TO BE POSTPONED JULY 18TH, 2022.

>> THAT'S D. >> ITEM D.

>> I'M SORRY. DO WE HAVE TO TAKE ANY ACTION ON

THAT. >> YOU HAVE TO VOTE TO POSTPONE.

>> THERE A MOTION. >> MOTION TO POSTPONE.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER? >> JOHNSON?

[a. Resolution 22-R23 establishing business tax rates as approved via Ordinance 22-014.]

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>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> IN THE CITY OF FORT WORTH FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING BUSINESS TAX FEES FOR BUSINESSES, PROFESSIONS OR OCCUPATIONS OR PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE RESOLUTION THAT'S ADOPTING THE RATES WE APPROVED BUT NOW THEY ARE SPELLED OUT.

IS THAT RIGHT? >> CORRECT.

>> IS THERE A MOTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL RESOLUTION,

22-R23. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON?

[b. Resolution 22-R26 authorizing sale of property held for the use and benefit of FPUA.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> CITY AUTHORIZING THE TRANSFER OF CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNED BY THE FORT WORTH, UTILITIES AUTHORITY, FOR PARKING TO PAUL HEMMINGWAY AND LAL HEMMINGWAY, HEMMINGWAYS, DIRECTING THE CITY CLERK TO ADVERTISE SAID CONVEYANCE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS BASICALLY A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS OWNED BY THE UA.

THEY HAVE AN INTENTION TO SELL IT.

BUT BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR NAME FOR USE AND BENEFIT, WE NEED TO FOLLOW THE DISPOSITION PROCESS, IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE SALE.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE RUTHERFORD IN THE AUDIENCE.

IF ANYONE HAS A QUESTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

>> CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

[c. Discussion regarding a request to rename Pinewood Park]

>> EM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT, WE HAVE DISCUSSION, REGARDING A REQUEST TO RENAME PINEWOOD PARK.

>> MR. NIMS? >> YES, MAM.

MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AT A PREVIOUS CONFERENCE AGENDA, YOU WERE PRESENTED OR PRESENTED AN ITEM FOR THE POSSIBLE RENAMING OF PINEWOOD PARK.

DURING THAT CONFERENCE, THERE WAS AN INFORMAL MEETING, NO DECISIONS WERE MADE. WE'RE AT A POINT RIGHT NOW, THIS CITY COMMISSION MUST COME TO A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, WE WISH TO PROCEED WITH THE RENAMING PROCESS OR NOT.

THAT IS THE DECISION AT HAND. WE HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, MR. MARK RULES AND CHARLENE OF SOUTH BEACH EXTRAORDINAIRE, DOES EVERYTHING FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THEY ARE HERE TO PRESENT THIS ITEM TO YOU.

>> WELCOME BOTH OF YOU, THANK YOU FOR SITTING THROUGH ALL OF THAT, JUST WENT BEFORE TO PRESENT THIS ITEM.

APPRECIATE IT. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, WE ARE HERE TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK FOR YOU.

WHEN PRESENTED, IT WAS DECIDED TO BE HELD IN THE VAN WHILE AN ORIGINAL NAMING OF THE PARCEL. NOW WE'RE BACK TO BRING IT TO YOU AGAIN, TO MAKE A DETERMINATION WHETHER TO PROCEED

OR NOT. >> YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING I SAY, I BELIEVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME THE VETTING FORGE FOR THE FORT PIERCE COMMITTEE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CLEARLY PRESENTED.

IT IS WHAT WE THANK MS. JUANITA FOR THE NOMINATION.

THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED RENAMING NOMINATION.

AS SUCH,S THE RENAMING IN THE PROCESS, CARRIES A MUCH GREATER INITIAL REASON TO RENAME, VERSUS JUST NAMING SOMETHING FOR THE FIRST TIME. IN OTHER WORDS, WE KNOW THE REASON TO UNNAME IT, TO CHANGE IT.

I BELIEVE AT THIS AGENDA MEETING, YOU REQUESTED SOME HISTORY IN PINEWOOD PARK AND HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY NAMED.

THAT WAS FOUND I FOUND IT ON THE WEBSITE.

MAYOR, YOU'RE OUR HISTORIAN. >> I WASN'T THERE AT THE TIME.

1927, RIGHT. >> AUGUST 18TH, 1927, APPARENTLY, THIS WAS SIGNED TO THE CITY, THIS PIECE OF LAND BY THE COLONIAL LAND COMPANY, WHICH WAS OWNED BY MR. FEE, HIM AND HIS WIFE, MR. M. FEE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY MORE ABOUT

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THE HISTORY? >> I GOT INTERESTED IN IT, WHEN WE SAID, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THE ORIGIN OF THE NAME.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS PINEWOOD ESTATES, THAT IS INDEED WHAT IT WAS. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THAT OLD AND IT HAD THE COLLECTION, THE COLONIAL LAND COMPANY, IS THE COMPANY AT THAT TIME, IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND THEY ARE ANCESTORS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE IN TOWN, LAST NAME FEE. I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT -- I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE RENAME THE PARK.

I LIKE THE NAME OF THE PARK BECAUSE OF ITS HISTORICAL VALUE.

THE PARK'S COMMITTEE SUGGESTED A PLAQUE BE PLACED ON THE PARK.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES WE WANTED TO PRESENT THAT AS AN IDEA.

THAT MIGHT BE RECOGNITION OF MS. DUNN'S VOLUNTEERISM FOR YEARS AND YEARS, WHICH WE APPLAUD ALL VOLUNTEERS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. MAYBE A PLAQUE WOULD BE MORE

APPROPRIATE. >> THAT WAS OUR THOUGHT.

>> IT WAS -- I GUESS THE COMMISSION HAS TO DECIDE, DOES IT WANT TO GIVE UP THAT NAME? DOES IT WANT TO GIVE UP THE NAME. IF IT DOES, THAT'S A DIFFERENT DECISION THAN NAMING IT THIS. THERE MAY BE OTHER NAMES.

IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER GAINES, IT LOOKS

LIKE YOU WANT TO TALK. >> ONE QUICK QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR. WITH SITUATIONS THAT COME UP IN THE FUTURE, WITH THE RENAMING OF PARKS AND ESPECIALLY A PARK THAT

HAS BEEN AROUND FOR -- >> ALMOST 100 YEARS.

>> DO WE EVER CONSIDER, I KNOW WE HAVE A HISTORICAL BOARD.

HAS A HISTORICAL BOARD EVER COME IN.

>> HISTORICAL PRESERVATION. >> PRESERVATION BOARD, BECAUSE THE NAMES YOU JUST MENTIONED ARE SYNONYMOUS WITH THE -- FEES ARE SYNONYMOUS WITH THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS NOT WITHOUT KNOWS NAMES.

SOMETHING THIS OLD, THAT MEANT SOMETHING, MAYBE THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD, MAY BE IN THE FUTURE, ONCE WE GET THE INFORMATION LIKE THIS, AND MAY WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S LOOK AT THIS. I'M JUST THINKING.

SAY, I'M NOT SITTING HERE AND EVERYBODY WANTS TO RENAME THE LICKING PARK AREA AND WE HAVE A BOARD.

THE BOARD HAS TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHY THIS PARK IS HELD.

AND THE INPUT. AND I KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF FORT PIERCE AND I KNOW THE NAMES YOU JUST MENTIONED. IT'S SYNONYMOUS, WHY WE'RE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. HE HAD A LOT TO DO WITH FORT PIERCE. WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL BEFORE WE START RENAMING THE PARKS.

I PREFER PLAQUES. AND ONCE YOU START -- AND THAT BOARD, HAD BEEN IDENTIFIED, HAD INPUT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO TALK OVER MR. REALS.

THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, GENERALLY HAS TWO TASKS, WHICH IS DESIGN REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MAKING CERTAIN AREAS IN THE CITY HISTORIC DISTRICTS.

IF IT'S A DESIRE FOR THE COMMISSION, TO REVIEW THIS TYPE OF THING, WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR ORDNANCE.

>> I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO GIVE ANYMORE.

I DON'T WANT THE PRESERVATION BOARD TO E-MAIL ME IN THE MORNING. PLEASE DON'T E-MAIL ME. HOWEVER, WE HAVE SOME HISTORICAL NAMED PARKS IN THE CITY.

WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. I DON'T WANT TO CHANGEYTHING.

IN A HISTORY LIKE THIS, I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE HISTORY.

>> COMMISSIONER JAY JOHNSON. >> AND WHAT WE DID, IS -- THEY

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DO THE RESEARCH. EVEN IF IT INVOLVES HISTORY, THEY GO GRAB, AND GRABBING THE INFORMATION.

YOU'RE ALL RIGHT ON TARGET. I'M NOT SURE, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, AND WE HAVE TO ADD THEIR TASK LIST.

I THINK WE ALREADY ADDED IT TO THE PARKS ADVISORY GOING TO THE APPLICATION AT HAND, I LIKE HISTORY ALSO, AND I LOVE THE APPLICATION AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF IT.

I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT.

NOT JUST RENAMING THE PARK. I WANT TO HOLD THE RENAMING AT

THIS MOMENT. >> READING THROUGH THE PACKET, MS. STONE WAS AN AMAZING PERSON, FOR SURE.

AND I WANT TO THANK. AND WE REPRESENT ALL CITIES OF FORT PIERCE. A LOT IS HOOKED IN THE HISTORY ASPECT. FOR THE MOST PART, I BELIEVE THIS IS A SLIPPERY MOKE. WE HAVE PART FOR SOMETHINGS FAST AND AMAZING. AND THAT'S WHY WE SLOWED THE PROCESS SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND KICK IT TO THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I KNOW WE DO IT TO YOU.

CHARLENE, YOU DO AMAZING JOB. PART OF IT, IS TO SLOW THE PROCESS DOWN, SO WE CAN MAKE A LONG-TERM GREAT DECISION.

FIRST THING I CAME UP, HAVE THE FAMILY PLANT A TREE, PUT A PLAQUE BEHIND IT. AND PERHAPS SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, WE HAVE A PARK, THAT HAS A WALL OF VOLUNTEERS.

ONE SPECIFIC PLACE THAT WE IDENTIFIED AND HONOR.

THE VOLUNTEERS HAS BEEN EXCEPTIONAL FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND MAYBE WE CAN GET BACK TO THE ADVISORY. THAT'S SOMETHING I HAVE TO -- FROUD OF. MUCH LIKE WHAT WE DO FOR THE VETERANS. TO BE ABLE TO PASS THROUGH THE SCRUTINY, TO BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND LIMITED ELSE, GET YOUR NAME ADDED TO THIS WALL OF HONOR, OF BEING AN AMAZING CITIZEN IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF RENAMING THE

PARK. >> AND I WANT TO SAY, I, TOO, WITH THE A PACKET, I WAS IMPRESSED WITH THAT.

I THINK WE'RE GOING DOWN THE PATH, TO ME, I THINK THE HONORABLE WAY, WE CAN HONOR HER. PLAQUE, AND THERE'S A PAVILION, YOU COULD ATTACH IT TO THE PAVILION.

. >> AND EXENTER A MISMAGNITUDE.

AND IF WE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING, RFP, AND I THINK YOU GUYS COULD FORMALIZE A PROCESS, PUTTING OUT PLAQUES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. FOR THIS RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT IN

SUPPORT OF RENAMING THE PARK. >>

>> CALL ATTENTION TO WHAT MS. GROVE.

AND AS WONDERFUL AS THIS LADY WAS, AND WHAT WE, AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT THE FAMILY THOUGHT ABOUT THIS TO PUT TOGETHER. THIS IS SOMETHING NEW TO ME.

I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER WAY TO HONOR HER.

IS THERE ANYONE TO MAKE A MOTION.

>> WE CAN ACCEPT THE PARK ADVISORY RECOMMENDATION.

>> DO WE NEED TO MAKE A FORMAL MOTION?

>> I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY -- I THINK THE ISSUE ON THE TABLE

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RIGHT NOW, WHETHER YOU WANT TO RENAME THE PARK AT ALL.

SO -- IF THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES, IT WOULD BE OPENED UP AND SENT BACK TO THE PARKS COMMITTEE FOR FURTHER VETTING.

MOTION THAT IS FOR OR NOT FOR RENAMING THE PARK.

PROPER MOTION. IS SOMEONE PREPARED.

>> COMMISSIONER, IF I COULD, I WANT TO ECHO WHAT STATED.

AND ADVISORY COMMITTEE OF THE PLAQUE.

THE ROLE IS TO BRING YOU BETTER APPLICATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

. >> THE RECOMMENDATION.

>> AND THESE ARE OUR FINDINGS. >> THESE ARE OUR FINDINGS.

THIS IS WHAT YOU MIGHT DO KIND OF THING.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO INSURE COMMISSIONER GAINS AND ALL OF YOU, THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE DOES THEIR BEST TO RETREAT THE DATA. YOU REMIND US, IF WE FORGET

SOMETHING >> BETWEEN ALL OF US, WE WILL PAY ATTENTION TO THE HISTORICAL D DATA I THINK MADAM MAYOR, 1927. I'M COUNTING ON MY FINGERS UP HERE. SO YOU KNOW, AND WHAT? FIVE YEARS THE PARK WILL BE 100 YEARS OLD.

I KNOW SOMETIMES WITHIN THE 100 YEARS.

>> I THINK IT STARTS. >> AND FIVE YEARS, THE PARK WILL -- AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO.

>> IS THERE SOMEONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> I'LL MAKE A MOTION, THAT WE DENY RENAMING THE PARK AFTER MS. DUNN AND KEEP IT AS PINEWOOD PARK.

>> MOTION AND SECOND, CALL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER JCHLT JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WOULD YOU LIKE CITY STAFF TO REACH OUT TO THE DUNN FAMILY AND WORK WITH THEM ON SOMETHING ARTISTIC AND SOMETHING IN THE MEM -- MEMORIAL OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

>> WE'RE NOT RENAMING THE PARK, BUT WE WILL HONOR HER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT.

[d. Approval of letter of support for the St. Lucie County Arts Alliance's grant application to the Levitt Foundation.]

THANK YOU >> NEXT WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE ARTS AND LION'S GRANT FOUNDATION TO

THE LEMON FOUNDATION. >> THIS IS A, A GRANT THAT THE CULTURAL ALLIANCE HAS REQUESTED. THEIR DEADLINE WAS THE END OF J JUNE.

WE WON'T HAVE A COMMISSION MEETING UNTIL NOW.

I GAVE THEM A PERSONAL LETTER ORDER THE NEXT MEETING, IF THEY WANTED THIS ADDITIONAL LETTER. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN SUBMIT IT OR NOT. MAYBE THEY WILL KEEP IT IN THEIR

FILES. >> THEY WILL SUBMIT IT TO THE

LETTER FOUNDATION. >> THEIR REQUEST DIRECTLY TO THE

LEMON FOUNDATION. >> AND I MOVE TO APPROVE AND

SUBMIT THE LETTER OF SUPPORT. >> QUAL THE ROLL.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINS? >> YES, MA'AM, COMMISSIONER J.

JOHNSON? >> EM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> AND VALLENNA WAY TO SEAWAY DRIVE IN THE AMOUNT OF 4,733,203. DID I GET THAT RIGHT?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> YOU KIND OF GAVE US A

PREVIEW. >> YES, MA'AM.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE FLORIDA HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, WE CAN SUBMIT FOR AUTHORIZATION FOR GRANT FUNDING AND WE'RE REQUESTING ROUGHLY $2.7, WHICH IS THE BALANCE OF THE $2.7 PROJECT AND WE HAVE ALLOCATED OF SURPLUS TAX

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FUNDS, BETWEEN MARINA WAY AND SEAWAY DRIVE.

WE HAVE GREAT SUPPORT BY REPRESENTATIVE DANA SEBOLSKI.

SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITH US AND WITH THE ADC.

THIS IS THE AUTHORIZATION TO SUBMIT THE GRANT AND THE COMPLETION ATTESTTATION LOCAL SUPPORT GRANT FORM.

>> THIS IS MONEY THAT'S BEEN FREED UP THAT YOU HAVE TO REQUEST TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE, STATE AND LOCAL

FUNDS >> YES, MA'AM.

WE WERE NOTIFIED OF $175 MILLION STATEWIDE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED

FOR THIS PURPOSE. >> REPRESENTATIVE CHOFBOLSKI

CAME TO US >> SHE'S ALL OVER.

>> AND QUICK QUESTION. THIS INCLUDES, HAD SOME CONVERSATION ON THE MORRIS CREEK BRIDGE.

. >> YES, SIR

>> WE WANT TO REPLACE THAT BRIDGE AND HOPEFULLY, WE CAN DO SOMETHING FUNCTIONING AND AESTHETIC AS WELL.

>> NOT I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT AS WELL.

>> GOT IT ON THE RECORD. >> MOTION.

>> ONE QUICK QUESTION. >> JUST SO I'M CLEAR.

MR. CITY MANAGERS, YOU'RE ASKING US TO APPROVE YOU TO ASK FOR A

2.74, 2.7 MILLION. >> YES, SIR

>> I WANT TO ASK QUESTION. >> AND SAY NO.

>> LONG TIME AGO. >> I'M STARTING TO RECOLLECT.

I KNOW THE MEETINGS STARTING TO RUN TOGETHER.

THE POOLS OF MONEY THAT WILL BE THERE AND SO, WE ONLY HAVE IN THIS ONE APPLICATION, AND WE HAVE OTHER PROJECTS AND I THOUGHT I RECOLLECT AT SOME POINT, WE WILL APPROACH, TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDINGS, FOR LACK OF MOVEMENT IN THE ISLAND.

>> YES, SIR, ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS MORE OF A SMALL PROJECT-TYPE THING. THIS, I BELIEVE THE LARGEST ALLOCATION THAT HAS COME ACROSS MR. TR OBOLSKI AS DESK.

THIS IS THE LARGEST ALLOCATION, GRANT OPPORTUNITY, FROM THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVE. LARGER GRANT POSSIBILITIES, DEFINITELY. WE WANT IT, WHETHER IT'S AFPD, OR THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.

RESILLIENCY. I BELIEVE THE MAYOR BROUGHT IT UP BEFORE. THERE ARE AEDLES AND AEDLES, FOR COMPETITIVE APPLICATIONS FOR THAT PURPOSE.

THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES EXIST. THIS IS JUST ONE OF MANY AND WE BELIEVE, THIS, INNER RIVER DRIVE, RECONSTRUCTION, FITS WITHIN THE PROFILE OF THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY.

WE BELIEVE WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE, HOPEFULLY ACQUIRING THE

FUNDING. >> LET ME ASK THIS ANOTHER WAY.

MR. WEATHERFORD IS OUT HERE, TOO.

YOU KNOW, THAT PROCESS HAS STARTED.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT THEY WOULD LOOK AT, FUTURE DECIDED. WE NOTIFY THEM OF THESE TYPE OF

OPPORTUNITIES. >> WE HAVE NOT BEEN WORKING WITH FUPA FOR ANY SUPPLEMENTAL APPLICATIONS SUCH AS THIS.

HOWEVER, THE UTILITIES WORK, INCLUDED, RECONSTRUCTION IS

INCLUDED IN THE APPLICATION. >> GOTCHA.

THAT'S FINE WITH THAT. I GUESS FOR PUBLIC RECORD, I KNOW, I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT.

WE TALK ABOUT JULY 1, THE FINANCIAL MECHANISM KICKED IN HERE. I KNOW, AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE BEEN HAVING THE DISCUSSION FOR THE DIETS, AND ALSO LOOKING AT FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT COULD BRING SOME RESOLVE, SOME POINT, TO HELP THE PROCESS EVEN FURTHER AND DO EVEN MORE.

THAT'S THROUGH THE FPUA. AND THOSE WHO HOPEFULLY, WILL LOOK INTO THIS AND SEE IF THEY WILL QUALIFY FOR THOSE TYPES.

>> AND UA IS ALL OVER. >> EVERY GRANT THAT EVEN, HAVE A

GLIMMER OF HOPE FOR. >> AND THEY ARE, MADAM MAYOR.

I PUT IT ON PUBLIC RECORD. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> I NOTED RIVER DRIVE HAS A LOT OF PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE. THIS SECTION RIGHT HERE, 100

PERCENT, CITY OF FORT PIERCE. >> THIS CITY IS SAN LOUISE

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COUNTY. WE INTEND TO TAKE THE ROADWAY.

ACTUALLY, WE MAY DO IT SOONER. THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY, FOR OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE SWAP FOR SOME ROADS SOUTH OF SEAWAY DRIVE, SOME ROADS NORTH OF SEAWAY DRIVE IN THE FORT DISTRICT. THIS IS A COUNTY ROAD, THAT THE CITY IS STRONGLY CONSIDERING TAKING OVER OWNERSHIP AND

MAINTENANCE. >> ASSUME THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THIS GRANT OPPOR

OPPORTUNITY. >> YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION.

>> YEAH, COMMISSIONER. >> THE ONLY COMMENTS I HAD, WAS 'ST. LOUIS COUNTY ROAD OWNERSHIP.

IN THE DATA TABLE, I SAW SAW WE DOCUMENTED THREE IMPROVEMENTS.

I FELT LIKE WE CAN INCREASE OUR DESCRIPTIONS AND TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC JOB OPPORTUNITIES, IMPROVE WASTE WATER, GROUND WATER, DRINKING WATER QUALITY. I FEEL LIKE WE WILL WOULD PUT

INFORMATION IN ALL OF THIS. >> AND WE HAVE AN AGENT WORKING ON OUR PAG. THEY COMPLETED THE FORUMS AND APLIKICATION. IF THERE'S'S RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD GLADLY REPORT THEM AND I WILL CALL TO PUT IT IN THE

APPLICATION. >> IS ANYONE READY TO MAKE A MOTION? ?

>> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION, THAT WE ALLOW THE GRANT REQUEST TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.

>> CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

[14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT, WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM

THE PUBLIC. >> OKAY. IT'S TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO MAKE ANY COMMENT. ANY SUBJECT, PLEASE COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. WELCOME.

>> WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING, LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET, MAIN COURT CENTER, 532 NORTH MAIN STREET FORT PIERCE. I COME HERE BEFORE YOU ON TWO ITEMS. ONE IS THE LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY SURVEY THAT ALLEGHENY FRANCIS MINISTRIES CONTRACTED WITH LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET TO CONDUCT IN THE LINCOLN PARK AREA AND WE HAVE THE DRAFT FINDING THINGS OF THAT REPORT, SIMPLY BECAUSE WE MET WITH ALLEGHENY, TO GIVE THEM THE DATA OF THE INFORMATION, REGARDING THE SURVEY.

THEY WANTED TO VET THAT INFORMATION, LOOK IT OVER, SO THEREFORE, WE ALLOW TO DISSEMINATE THE DRAFT VERSION OF THE WHAT THAT INFORMATION IS. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR EACH ONE

OF YOU TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU.

>> TOTAL OF 2500 SURVEYS WERE PRINTED.

2464 SURVEYS WERE COMPLETED. 35 DID NOT RETURN BACK TO US.

HOWEVER, WE HAD 24 CANVASS THAT DEPLOY INTO THE COMMUNITY.

AND I WENT ABOUT CONDUCTING THE SURVEYS, 19 QUESTIONS.

TWO QUESTIONS WERE OPEN ENDED, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO INDIVIDUAL RESPONSES. SO OF THAT, THE NUMBERS WERE VERY IMPRESSIVE. PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON THE 2016 SURVEY THAT ALLEGHENY HAD PRESENTED TO THE COMMUNITY PREVIOUSLY. THERE WAS MODIFIED TO IDENTIFY THE TRANSPORTATION GAP IN ST. LOUISY COUNTY.

THE TRANSPORTATION GAP AS WELL AS EMPLOYEE FUNDED OR COMMUNITY FUNDED TRAINING PROGRAMS. AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE REPRESENTED IN THERE AND A LARGE NUMBER OF THE INDIVIDUALS, WERE IN FAVOR OF PARTICIPATING IN A TRAINING PROGRAM.