Sep 12, 2022 City Commission Conference Agenda

[1. Call to Order]

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHT, I THINK COMPASSION PERONA IS READY TO START THE MEETING. I AM READY TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 12. A CONFERENCE AGENDA.

WE DON'T TAKE ANY VOTES. WE JUST DISCUSS.

AND PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH I CAN ALERT

AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL

PLEASE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: PRESENT.

[a. Review of proposed amendments to the Parking Enforcement Ordinance without paid parking provisions.]

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: PRESENT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

PRESENT. >>JERRY: PRESENT.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA:: PRESENT. >> FIRST ITEM IS REVIEW TO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT OF THE PARKING ENFORCEMENT ORDINANCE

WITHOUT PAID PARKING PROVISIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MONTHS BACK WE WENT THROUGH A RIGOROUS AND EXHAUSTIVE EFFORT TO REVISE OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT ORDINANCE.

THAT INCLUDED PROVISIONS FOR PAID PARKING.

WE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS, WORKSHOPS AND IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT PAID PARKING.

WE COME BACK TO REVIEW THE PARKING ORDINANCE LESS PAID PROVI PROVISIONS.

>> GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

YES OUR HARD WORK HAS COME DOWN TO THIS PROPOSED PARKING ENFORCEMENT ORDINANCE. I HAVE THINGS THAT WOULD INTEREST TO YOU OR DO YOU WANT TO START WITH QUESTION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: HIGHLIGHT THE IMPORTANT PARTS SO WE CAN ASK

QUESTIONS. >> THE FIRST THING I WANT TO POINT OUT WAS THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.

THIS SECTION WAS COPIED FROM THE PLANNING SECTION.

ACTUALLY WHERE IT SHOULD BELONG IN THE PARKING SECTION.

IN SPECIFIC INTEREST IT LETTER C WHICH IS FOR YOUR -- FOR YOUR STANDARD BUSINESSMAN WHO MIGHT HAVE A PLUMBING BUSINESS WITH THEIR ADVERTISING ON THE SIGN ON THE SIDE VERSUS THE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES OR ANYTHING OVER 10,000 POUNDS.

SO IT ACTUALLY DEFINES THE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL VEHICLES FROM LARGE TO SMALL. OKAY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT ARE THEY ALLOWED TO DO OR NOT TO DO.

>> WELL, I HAVE THAT HIGHLIGHTED RIGHT NOW.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GO SEE. >> I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE DEFINITION THAT WE HAVE THE LARGE, THE TRANSPORT AND THE SMALL, AS DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS.

NOT JUST COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AS ONE BIG LUMP.

THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ARE BASICALLY THE FEES. ANY FEES WILL BE SET BY RESOLUTION. SOME OF THE TYPES THAT CAN BE DONE ARE THE TEMPORARY CONTRACTOR PERMITS, BUSINESS PARKING PERMITS, MARINA PERMITS, LATE PAYMENTS AND MOBILIZATION AND IMPOUNDMENT AND WE WILL DISCUSS THAT A LITTLE BIT LATER.

THEN WE GET INTO THE EVERYDAY PARKING REGULATIONS.

THE ONES WE DEAL WITH. IMPROPER PARKING.

SIDEWAYS ACROSS THE LINES. YOU HAVE TO PARK BETWEEN THE LINES. TIME LIMITED.

THE TWO-HOUR PARKING. WHERE IT IS PROHIBITED.

WHERE IT SAYS "DO NOT PARK." YOUR GENERAL PARKING VIOLATION.

WHAT WE GET TO DOWN HERE, COMMERCIAL PARKING, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. AND THE SAME RULES THAT EXIST IN -- IN THE ZONING, WHERE YOU CAN NOT HAVE COMMERCIAL VEHICLES IN EXCESS OF 24 -- 24 HOURS BUT YOU SEE IN HERE, WE DO RESTRICT IS TO A AND B, THE LARGE 10,000, THE ONES FOR HIRE OR AN INDUSTRIAL VEHICLE. THOSE ARE THE ONE THAT ARE PROHIBITED. DOES NOT PROHIBIT ANYBODY WITH THEIR OWN PERSONAL BUSINESS FROM PARKING THEIR VEHICLE IN THE DRIVEWAY. THAT IS WHERE WE JUST SPECIFY THE LARGE, THE TRANSPORT AND INDUSTRIAL VEHICLES THAT ARE PROHIBITED MORE THAN 24 HOURS. OTHERWISE, NO CHANGES TO WHAT WAS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE IN THE PLANNING SECTION.

THAT IS THE ONLY BIG CHANGE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHEN YOU SAY IN EXISTENCE, IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS IN THE RULES.

WE ARE PUTTING IN THE PARKING PLACE.

>> CORRECT. AND CHANGE IT FROM COMMERCIAL

VEHICLE TO SPECIFIC DEFINITIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SPELLING IT OUT.

>> SPELLING IT OUT AND NO, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TED'S PLUMBING AND HIS TRUCK AND VAN. THE 10,000-POUND VEHICLE AND INDUSTRIAL EQUIPMENT. WE JUST MADE IT MORE SPECIFIC.

OTHERWISE THE RULES ARE THE SAME AS WHAT THEY ALREADY WERE.

A RULE THAT I JUST WANT TO BRING TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION AND I

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IT IS ACTUALLY A VIOLATION TO CROSS OVER ONCOMING TRAFFIC TO PARK FACING THE WRONG DIRECTION. THIS HAPPENS DOWNTOWN A LOT.

SO I AM JUST REALLY BRING THIS UP FOR ANYBODY WHO IS LISTENING TO KNOW THAT THAT IS ACTUALLY A VIOLATION.

YOU CAN NOT ALLOWED TO CROSS ONCOMING TRAFFIC TO PARK.

THAT A VIOLATION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I HAVE DONE THAT

AND I LEARNED THE HARD WAY. >> THE NUMBER ONE -- I DIDN'T KNOW. I DIDN'T KNOW.

>>JERRY: GO BACK TO THAT -- SCROLL BACK UP REAL QUICK, MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SURE.

>>JERRY: BACKING UP INTO A ANGLED PARKING SPACE IS PROHIBITED. DESIGN OF BACK-END -- AND PARKING ORDINANCE GOES AGAINST SOME DESIGN PARAMETER.

>> WE ALREADY HAVE THAT DOWNTOWN.

THERE IS SOME DOWN BY THE MARINA THAT ARE ANGLE PARKING.

>>JERRY: BACK-IN ANGLE PARKING. >> PULL-IN ANGEL PARKING.

TO BACK IN, YOU HAVE TO TO GO AGAINST.

>> DESIGNS IF EVER A DESIGN TO GO FACT AND CHANGE THIS ORDINANCE AND NOW YOU ARE IN CONFLICT WITH YOURSELVES.

WITH YOU ADD AN -- UNLESS DESIGNED FOR BACK END PARKING.

>> IT IS UNDER -- WE CAN DO THAT ABSOLUTELY.

>> JUST SO NO CONFLICT IN THE FU

FUTURE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA:: I GET EXCITED WHEN WE HAVE AN EXCEPTION.

SO SOMEONE DOESN'T SHOW UP AT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND SAY YOU ALLOW IT IN SOME APPLICATIONS.

>> PARKING IN OPPOSING TRAFFIC LANE.

IF IT IS DESIGNED TO GO FORWARD AND BACK, YOU ARE NOT GOING AGAINST THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC. WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO -- WHAT I HEAR ABOUT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

YOU STAY IN THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND BACKING IN.

NOT IN OPPOSITION TO THIS RULE. >> YOU ARE RIGHT TITLE.

TITLE BY SECTION IT IS COVERED. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA:: IF A CONFLICT. I SEE IT BEING SOMEWHAT REMOTE.

IF IT IS A CONFLICT LATER ON, I WOULD RATHER FIX IT THAN ANY EXEMPT EXCEPTIONS WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

>> BY FINE IT COVERS. NEXT SECTION IS TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION LOADING ZONES. WE HAVE DESIGNATED LOADING ZONES. RESTRICTED TO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES AS DESIGNED IN THE SESSION OR THOSE DISPLAYING A BUSINESS PARKING PERMIT ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN THE LOADING AND UNLOADING. IN THE PARKING PERMITS UP TO THE BEGINNING, ONE FOR BUSINESSES. AND WHAT THEY COULD DO IS OBTAIN THAT PERMIT TO USE FOR THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES.

I HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS DOWNTOWN.

I DON'T HAVE A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE.

AND THE ZONES WITHOUT A VEHICLE. IN ALL CASES NOTHING SHOULD BE MORE THAN 30 MINUTES. NO VEHICLE SHOULD BE PARKED IN A LOADING ZONE MORE THAN 30 MINUTES WHETHER A COMMERCIAL VEHICLE OR ONE WITH A PERMIT. .NO MORE THAN 30 MINUTES IN A LOADING ZONE. ONLY USED FOR THE ACTIVE LOADING

AND UNLOADING. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA:: I HAVE A

QUESTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA:: HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT.

>> TWO HOURS. TAKE A PICTURE WITH AT THAT TIME STAMP AND 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR AND IT HAVEN'T MOVED, YOU

ENFORCE IT THAT WAY. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: YOU DO

ENFORCE IT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM JUST BEING ME THIS MORNING. IF YOU TAKE A LOAD LONGER THAN 30 MINUTES. WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO LOAD BEFORE YOU DO THE CITATION OR GO MOVE AND COME BACK.

I AM JUST -- >> AS A RULE WE DO FOR OUR TWO-HOUR PARKING. WE WILL USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.

WE TAKE PHOTOS OF THE VEHICLE IN THE SPOT AND INCLUDE PICTURES OF THE TIRE AND SHOWING THE TIRE STEM AND WHATNOT AND HAS A DATE AND TIME STAMP ON IT AND WE COME BACK AFTER THE TWO HOURS AND WE

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>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I UNDERSTAND THAT AND IT WASN'T MY QUESTION. I HAVE BEEN WHERE I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE TEN MINUTES TO MOVE SOMETHING AND I GET TO THE OTHER SPOT, AND I GOT TO MOVE OVER HERE TO MOVE STUFF LIKE THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE LEEWAY TO NOT TICKET SOMEBODY IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY MOVING.

THANK YOU. >> CONTINUOUS PARKING.

THIS IS A NEW SECTION THAT HAS BEEN ADDED.

THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM WITH OUR PARKING COMMITTEE WHEN WE WERE FIRST DOING THESE. ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS YOU CAN'T PARK YOUR CAR IN A NONRESIDENTIAL ZONE.

VISITING THE DOWNTOWN AND COMMERCIAL VISITS AND LET IT SIT THERE. YOU HAVE -- YOU CAN LEAVE IT THERE FOR 24 HOURS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE COMING OUT OF A BAR AT NIGHT AND GET IN THE VEHICLE DRIVING, LEAVE YOUR VEHICLES THERE. BUT YOU CAN'T LEAVE IT THERE FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS. A VEHICLE SITTING IN A PARKING SPOT IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT FOR MORE THAN 24 HOURS, IT IS

ELIGIBLE TO BE TICKETED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: INCLUDING THE GAR GARAGE?

>> SI DO NOT BELIEVE IT EXEMPTED THAT BUT THAT MIGHT -- THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD EXEMPTION EXCEPT FOR THE GARAGE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO PARK 24 HOURS IN A GARAGE EITHER, BUT I DON'T KNOW -- SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS NOT GET MONEY FOR THE CITY. WE ARE TRYING TO GET COMPLIANCE AND HAVE TURNOVER PARKING, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAVE TO THINK OF EVERYTHING THAT WORKS TO THAT END.

>> CORRECT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE WE TALK FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE ALLOWING 24 HOURS ESPECIALLY FOR OUR MARINA GUESTS THAT MAY BE GOING TO THE ISLAND FOR A WEEKS OR SOMETHING AND INSTEAD OF PLUGGING UP PARKING IN DOWNTOWN, WE PUSH THEM TO THE GARAGE.

SO I THINK THERE IS AN APPLICATION THERE.

>> THAT IS INCLUDED FURTHER DOWN.

FOR MARINA, PERHAPS, THAT IS JUST ANOTHER TYPE OF PERMIT THAT BE MAY LOOK AT FOR A LONG-TERM PARKING THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE PARKING GARAGE IS GETTING FULL.

PEOPLE ARE USING IT. AS BUSINESS SECTION --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE WANT THEM TO DO THAT.

>> RIGHT. SO -- IT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO PUT AN EXEMPTION FOR THE PARKING

GARAGE OR NOT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I DON'T THINK SO. BUT IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM, YOU SELL US. AGREED, EVERYBODY.

>> OBVIOUSLY NEW. NEW AND IMPROVED ELECTRIC CURRENT ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS.

IT IS FOR CHARGING VEHICLES. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A ELECTRIC VEHICLE, DON'T PARK IN THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE SPOT.

WE HAVE THE STATIONS ON THE THIRD FLOOR TO BE USED BY THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS.

SPECIAL EVENTS IS A NEW ONE. NOW WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS.

I DISCUSSED IT WITH MR. MIMMS. PARKING COMMITTEE DISCUSSED THIS A LOT. WHEN SOMEONE ESSENTIALLY LEASES THE MARINA PARKING LOT FOR A SPECIAL EVENT SUCH AS FRIDAY FEST OR THE FARMER'S MARKET. THE CITY IS LEASING THAT PROPERTY TO AN ORGANIZATION FOR A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO THAT IS WHY WE HAVE IN HERE WHEN IT IS LEASED TO A PRIVATE PARTY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT, UNLAWFUL TO PARK A VEHICLE IN THAT DESIGNATED AREA WITHOUT PERMISSION FROM THE PERMIT HOLDER. THE PROBLEM WITH FRIDAY FEST.

I MEAN IF WE GO SMALLER, THINK OF SECOND STREET, TASTE OF ST.

LUCIE. SECOND STREET.

YOU CAN'T PARK ON SECOND STREET DURING THAT LEASED TIME.

YOU HAVE TO BE OUTSIDE OF IT. THAT IS WHAT THIS SECTION IS FOR TO GIVE US SOME ENFORCEMENT ON PEOPLE WHO DON'T LISTEN. PIT IS SURE THAT THE SIGNAGE IS UP AND THAT NOTICE IS PROPERLY GIVEN SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE LEASED AND YOU CAN'T PARK THERE. THAT DOES PROVIDE US THE ENFORCEMENT THAT WAS MISSING UP UNTIL THIS ORDINANCE REWRWREWRI

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MAYBE IN THE NEXT SECTION.

THE FARMER'S MARKET OPEN FROM 8 A.M. TO NOON VENDORS HAVE TO PARK SOMEWHERE FOR FOUR HOURS. HOW DOES THIS APPLY TO THEM?

>> WITH EXPRESS PERMISSION FROM THE EVENT PERMIT HOLDER.

IF THE EVENT HOLDER SAYS GO PARK OVER HERE, THAT IS WHY IT SAYS

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IF YOU WERE PART OF THAT ORGANIZATION AND THEY ARE TELLING YOU WHERE TO PARK, THAT IS UP TO THE EVENT HOLDER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: HOW DO WE SIGNIFY THAT? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS A VENDOR WHO WE SAY, YOU KNOW, GIBBONS ORGANIC COME EVERY MORNING AND LEAVE AT 2:00 AFTER THEY LOAD BACK UP. THEIR VEHICLE IS PARKED SOME PLACE. SO DO WE -- DOES THE EVENT PERMIT HOLDER GIVE THEM SOME KIND OF PERMIT?

>> THEY DO NOT BUT WHERE COMMUNICATION COMES INTO PLAY.

DID WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT? IS IT -- THAT IS WHERE COMMUNICATION IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME INTO PLAY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I DON'T WANT THE VENDORS TO HAVE A TICKET BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BE AT THE MARKET FOR THAT MANY HOURS.

>> SO THE -- THE PURPOSE BEHIND THIS -- SO THERE ARE SIGNS THAT GO UP FOR FRIDAY FEST THAT SAY NO PARKING IN THIS AREA AFTER 2:00. SO FROM 2 TO 5, MY GUYS ARE OUT THERE MOVING PEOPLE ALONG. YOU CAN'T BE HERE.

YOU GOT TO MOVE. THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

TASTE OF ST. LUCIE BLOCKS OFF SECOND STREET.

THOSE VEHICLES ARE GOING -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT WHERE -- I AM TALKING OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO PARK MORE THAN TWO HOURS ON A SATURDAY BECAUSE THEY ARE A VENDOR. THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT.

>> PERMISSION FROM THE EVENT HOLDER AND WE WRITE A TICKET AND THEY SAY I AM A VENDOR, WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ALONG THAT LINE, IS THERE A GUARANTEED AREA FOR VENDORS. FRIDAY FEST, JAZZ FEST.

DO WE HAVE A DESIGNATED AREA THAT WE HAVE WALLED OFF FOR

VENDOR PARKING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I DON'T THAT ANSWER. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET. WE TELL OUR VENDORS TO PARK WEST OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. WE TELL THEM THAT -- BECAUSE OF

CUSTOMER PARKING. >> I AGREE WITH YOU AND I THINK

THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CRAFT MARKET DOES AND WE HAVE TO ENFORCE IT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. WE CALL THAT VENDOR VEHICLE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I UNDERSTAND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS, DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: VENDORS ARE THE GENERAL PUBLIC.

THEY FIND A PLACE TO PARK LIKE THE REST OF THE PARKING.

VENDORS, ONCE THEY DROP OFF AND PARK AND WHATEVER, THEY ARE MEMBERS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. WE DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIED VENDOR

PARKING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: NOT FOR THE CITY, BUT THE MARKET DOES. WE TELL OUR VENDORS TO PARK WEST

OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: IF THEY DO THAT, WE DON'T FOLLOW EVERY SINGLE ONE

OF THEM. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, MA'AM.

>> SIMILAR TO STAYING IN ONE SPOT FOR 24 HOURS, BUT NONMOTORIZED VEHICLE PARKING. WHAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED AND THE GENESIS OF THIS WE HAD SOME ENCLOSED TRAILERS PARKED IN THE MARINA AND GONE A WEEK. WE HAD THE SAME WITH BOAT TRAILERS WHERE THE VEHICLE HAS BEEN REMOVED.

NOT THAT THE VEHICLE AND BOAT TRAILER ARE SITTING THERE AND OFF ENJOYING THE WATERS. BUT WHERE THE BOAT TRAILER HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE VEHICLE AND THE VEHICLE IS GONE.

JUST THE BOAT TRAILER SITS AND TAKES UP A SPOT.

WE HAD THESE TYPE OF ISSUES HAPPENED WITH LEMONTED ABILITY TO ENFORCE. THE GENESIS OF THE NONMOTORIZED.

DON'T JUST DUMP YOUR BOAT TRAILER OR OTHER TRAILER.

AGAIN, IF IT IS CONNECTED TO A VEHICLE, 245 IS DIFFERENT.

IF YOU DUMP YOUR TRAILER TO SAVE A SPOT, THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS. I SEE YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I GOT YOUR PART.

I AM STILL STUCK ON THIS VENDOR THING.

I GOT TO GO BACK TO THE VENDOR THING.

I AM SORE. WE ARE LEASING OUT SPACE.

WE ARE LEASING OUT SPACER. WE ARE LEASING OUT SPACEY.

WE ARE LEASING OUT SPACE FOR EVENTS AND ASKING PEOPLE TO COME TO FORT PIERCE TO BE A PART OF THE EVENT.

CELL THE WHATEVER TO BE PART OF THE EVENT.

AND THERE IS A CHANCE THAT ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS COULD GET A TICKET FROM THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AS A VENDOR.

NOW I UNDERSTAND, MADAM MAYOR, YOU TELL YOUR VENDORS TO PARK IN A CERTAIN AREA, BUT THERE IS A CHANCE THAT SOME INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS TRAVELED TO FORT PIERCE TO PARTICIPATE IN AN EVENT THAT WE

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THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR MME THAT' -- IF YOU ARE ASKING ME TO COME TO FORT PIERCE, I LOAD UP, GET THERE 2:00 IN THE MORNING AS YOU SAID -- 2:00 IN THE MORNING. YOU KNOW, 8:00 IN THE MORNING.

LEAVE, GET THERE, SET UP AND I GO BACK TO MY CAR AND I HAVE A TICKET, I DON'T KNOW IF I AM COMING BACK TO FORT PIERCE.

I DON'T HAVE THE SOLUTION RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO TRY TO -- EVEN WHEN WE ARE TALKING TO THESE PROMOTERS WHO ARE HOLDING THESE EVENTS. MAYBE IF THEY HAVE A VENDOR -- A VENDOR CARD. A VENDOR CARD.

THAT WAY OUR OFFICERS AND PARKING PEOPLE CAN SAY, OKAY, THIS IS A VENDOR CARD. AND WE HAVE TO CHANGE BECAUSE YOU KNOW -- YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS.

I AM GO GOING TO KEEP MY VENDOR CARD FOREVER.

YOU KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHEN I AM NO

LONGER A VENDOR. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: NO LONGER A VENDOR. WE CHANGE IT SHALL OR WE LOOK AT SOME TYPE OF AREA WHERE WE SAY REGARDLESS OF THE EVENT GOING ON, IF YOU ARE A VENDOR OR PARTICIPANT IN THIS EVENT, YOU NEED TO PARK HERE. IF THEY DON'T PARK THERE, THEIR IS A DIFFERENT STORY. AT LEAST WE GIVE SOME AREA FOR THEM TO PARK SO THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO TICKET.

I AM TROUBLED WITH SOMEBODY COME INTO OUR CITY, GETTING A TICKET TRYING TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR CITY.

>> I AM GOING TO SPEAK ON A PERSONAL NOTE.

I HAVE A PRIVATE LIFE AND MY HUSBAND WHO IS EVIL EMPLOYED.

HE DOES SOME OF THESE VENDOR EVENTS.

HE HAD TO PAY FOR A PARKING PERMIT FOR SOME OF THE EVENTS HE HAS ATTENDED AS A VENDOR. I GET A VENDOR PARKING, AND SO I GET MY SPECIAL PARKING AREA. SO THAT IS AN OPTION TO PUT IT ON TO THE ORGANIZATION THAT IS HOLDING THE SPECIAL EVENT TO PROVIDE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO THE VENDORS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT DOES HAPPEN. MY HUSBAND HAD TO DO IT.

THAT IS JUST A PERSONAL N. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I AM GOING TO HAVE TO ECHO THAT, NUMBER ONE, WE KNOW THERE WILL BE A PARTICULAR AREA AND IF THOSE VENDORS ELECT NOT TO PARK THERE, THAT IS CLEARLY ON THEM.

AT LEAST WE ARE PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY, AND FURTHERMORE, BECKONS THAT THE DESIGNATED AREAS DOWNTOWN AND ONE I WILL TALK ABOUT WHEN WE TALK OF THE FISHING PIER AND PARKING THERE AND CURRENTLY ISSUES THAT OCCURRED THERE RECENTLY AND AS I READ THROUGH IT, CONCERNS WITH THAT.

WE NEED TO TAKE THAT UPON OURSELVES BECAUSE IF WE CAN SOMEWHAT POINT THEM AND DESIGNATE THEM TO A PARTICULAR AREA AND LEAVE IT UP TO THAT ORGANIZATION.

THE FARMER'S MARKET, THE CRAFT FAIR.

IF THEY WANT TO TACK ON A $5 VENDING THING AND A SPECIAL AREA THAT YOU PARK IN AND A LITTLE DECAL OR WHATEVER FOR THE YEAR, THEN THAT IS FINE. WE KNOW THOSE PEOPLE PARKING IN THAT AREA ARE DESIGNATED VENDOR PARKING.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT SO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT VENDORS SHOULDN'T PARK THERE. IF VENDORS ARE PARKING IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, WE ARE NOT TAKING UP PREMIUM SPACES FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED TO GO CLOSER TRANSACT BUSINESS FOR 30 MINUTES, HOUR,

TWO HOURS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MAKE IT EASY.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MANGE IT EASY FOR THE CUSTOMERS.

AND THEY TURN OVER MORE THAN A VENDOR SPOT TOOK IT UP.

LOOK AT IT AND SUPPORT MY COMMISSIONER ON THAT.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE A GREAT EXPERIENCE IN OUR DOWNTOWN WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS. MEMPHIS MIMMS I WANT YOU TO.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I WANT TO YOU KEEP IN MIND THE PARKING ORDINANCE IS FOR THE WHOLE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

WHAT WE DO FOR ONE DISTRICT, ALL DISTRICTS, THE BEACH, NORTH AND

WEST FORT PIERCE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I WANT TO START WITH NO SPECIFIC VENDOR SPACES. THEY FIND THEIR OWN SPACES.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GO. LET'S JUST SAY FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET. THE FARMER'S MARKET IS THE PERMIT HOLDER AND TELL THEIR VENDORS TO PARK WEST OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. IF WE HAVE TO -- BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE THE TWO-HOUR LIMIT HAS NOT BEEN ENFORCED ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY. NOW THIS IS A NEW -- CORRECT? SO THIS IS NEW. THAT WAS NOW GOING TO BE ENFORCED ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAYS.

>> AND THE OTHER DAY THERE WAS A SPECIAL EVENT GOING ON.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SEVEN DAY AS WEEK INSTEAD OF FIVE DAYS A WEEK. WE NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM BEFORE. WE NEED TO GET USED TO THIS.

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I, MYSELF, THINK IT IS OUR JOB TO TELL THEM THERE ARE THESE NEW RULES IN PLACE. AND IF WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM PERMITS TO PARK BEYOND -- BUT I -- I, RIGHT NOW -- HEARING WHAT MR. MIMMS SAYS, DESIGNATING A PLACE FOR VENDOR PARKING IS -- I DO NOT THINK IT IS NECESSARY AT THIS POINT, BUT MIGHT BE NECESSARY IN THE FUTURE IF WE CAN DO IT, I DON'T KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, MAYBE I MISSED SOMETHING. ENFORCE PARKING FOR TWO HOURS.

PEOPLE ARE ROVING AROUND, SEE -- >> TWO HOURS DO NOT APPLY ON THE

WEEKEND. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I THOUGHT YOU

JUST SAID YOU DID. >> I MISHEARD YOU.

I THOUGHT THE SPECIAL EVENTS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OBSERVATION.

TWO HOURS IS -- >> NO, NO.

NOT TWO HOURS. THE SPECIAL EVENT, YES.

NOT THE TWO HOURS. SORRY.

I MISHEARD YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WHAT IS BEING ENFORCED. TWO HOURS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

WHAT IS BEING ENFORCED. >> THE SPECIAL EVENTS.

THE CITY-OWNED AND MAINTAIN PARKING LOTS AND OTHER CITY PROPERTY ARE LEASED TO A PRIVATE PARTY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT, OKAY.

SO -- I KNOW WE ARE FOCUSED DOWNTOWN.

AND CAN BE ANY ROADWAY. WE ARE LEASING CITY PROPERTY TO A PRIVATE ENTITY. THROUGH OUR SPECIAL EVENTS ORDINANCE. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR A PERSON TO PARK A VEHICLE WITHIN THAT DESIGNATED AREA WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION FROM THE EVENT PERMIT HOLDER.

SO, AGAIN, IF THE PERMIT HOLDER IN THIS CASE WILL TAKE THE FRIDAY FEST. IF THEY SAY TO THE VENDORS YOU GUYS CAN PARK THERE, THEN THEY ARE GETTING PERMISSION FROM THERE AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO DOCUMENT THROUGH A PERMIT --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS THE SPACE THEY LEASE.

>> THE SPACE THEY LEASE AND THEY HAVE CONTROL OVER IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: OTHER SPACES ARE OPEN.

>> ONLY THE AREA LEAGUED BY THE PRIVATE ENTITY FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT. LET'S GO A LITTLE SMALLER.

SECOND STREET GETS SHUT DOWN BETWEEN ORANGE AND A, FOR TASTE OF ST. LUCIE. THE PERMIT HOLDER HAS THAT LEASE. THEY OWN THAT LEASE.

IF THEY SAY, YEAH, COME IN, YOU ARE ONE OF OUR VENDORS.

OPEN THE BLOCKADES -- YEAH, YOU CAN COME IN AND PARK.

THAT IS UP TO THEM. FOR THE VEHICLES LEFT THERE AND PARKED WITHOUT THE PER MISSION AND -- PERMISSION AND GIVES THE AUTHORITY FOR US TO GO IN AND ADDRESS IT AS NEEDED.

ALL THE SECTION IS ABOUT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY.

>> ARE WE GOOD? >>MAYOR: WE ARE GOOD.

>> YOU SEE IN HERE A BIG RESERVE EXCEPTION.

A SECTION THAT WAS A PAVED PARKING AND THE SPACES ARE OUT.

IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO BRING THAT BACK UP, SPACE TO ADD THIS TO THE ORDINANCE. PERMIT AND PARKING REGULATIONS FAIRLY NEW, A SLIGHT PROCESS IN PLACE NOW, BUT THIS GIVES THE CITY MANAGER AND DESIGNEE THE ABILITY TO GRANT, RENEW, DENY AND REVOKE AN ON HPD STREET PARKING PERMIT.

IF THAT PERMIT IS DISPLAYED THEY ARE ALLOWED IN A RESTRICTED SPACE. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE -- WELL, WE WILL GO WITH THE BUSINESS PARKING PERMITS.

THIS IS THE PERMIT FOR WHAT I DISCUSSED THE COMMERCIAL PARKING. THIS IS FOR IF YOU HAVE A BUSINESS THAT NEEDS REPAIR. SO WE HAVE A -- I NEED TO HAVE A PLUMBER COME IN AND DO WORK FOR MY BUSINESS, I CAN GET AN ON-STREET PARKING PERMIT FOR THEM TO USE IN A TWO-HOUR SPOT.

SO THEY ARE NOT STUCK TO THAT TWO-HOUR PARKING REGULATION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT HAS TO BE DONE IN ADVANCE OBVIOUSLY SO YOU

KNOW YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. >> CORRECT, CORRECT.

THIS CONTRACTOR PARKING PERMIT IS JUST THAT.

FOR A VEHICLE ACTIVELY IN THE REHABILITATION, REPAIR OF A BUSINESS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET TO YOUR TRUCK. I CAN'T PARK IN THE PARKING GARAGE BECAUSE IF I LEFT MY WRENCH.

YOU CAN'T BE WALKING BACK AND FORTH.

ALLOWS WORKMEN TO PARK IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO WHERE THEIR JOBSITE IS. IT DOES ALLOW FOR DUMPSTERS BUT IT HAS THE CITY MANAGER'S REVIEW.

ANY SAFETY CONCERNS OR ISSUES, IT MAY -- HE DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE ANY OF THESE INTO CONSIDERATION FOR SAFETY REASONS OR WHAT NOT. YOU CAN PUT SPECIFIC CONDITIONS ON IT. AGAIN, BASED ON TIME, LOCATION, SAFETY CONCERNS. THEY ARE MADE TO THE CITY MANAGER. AND NO CASE WILL THE PERMIT GO BEYOND WHAT THE BUILDING PERMIT IS.

IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT FOR A MAJOR REHABILITATION.

WHEN THAT PERMIT IS CLOSED, THE PERMIT AUTOMATICALLY EXPIRES.

AND TWO TYPES OF CONTRACTOR PERMITS.

YOU CAN HAVE YOUR LIMITED, WHICH GIVES YOU THE PERMISSION TO STAY

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IT JUST GIVES YOU THAT EXTRA TIME.

FOR AN UNLIMITED WHICH -- SO NOW I HAVE THAT SPACE -- THIS PARTICULAR SPACE IS GIVEN TO THIS BUSINESS FOR THIS AMOUNT OF TIME -- FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

SO IF THERE IS A BUSINESS DOWNTOWN THAT THEY KNOW THEY WILL HAVE THREE DAYS OF REPAIR WORK, THEY CAN GET A SPACE, SIMILAR TO PARKLETS WHERE YOU CAN RENT THOSE SPACES.

THE SAME THING ONLY FOR CONTRACTORS AND CONSTRUCTION.

ANY -- I SEE YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MAYBE -- I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

MAYBE BECAUSE IT IS EARLY MONDAY MORN MORNING. I GO TO MY BUSINESS DOWNTOWN.

I OPEN UP MY BUSINESS DOOR. I HAVE A MAJOR FLOOD.

SO FIRST THING I AM GOING TO DO IS CALL A PLUM TO COME -- A PLUMBER TO COME FIX MY FLOOD. AM I READING THIS.

THE NEXT THING I NEED TO DO IS CALL THE CITY AND GET THEM TO ISSUE AND HAVE A PERMIT TO -- THE PLUMBER TO COME FIX THE

FLOOD, OR THE PROBLEM? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

AND IT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE TWO-HOUR PARKING UNLESS YOU HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT. SO WHAT WE ARE PROVIDING HERE -- HE KNOW IT IS AN EXTRA STEP, BUT IT DOESN'T EXIST RIGHT NOW.

IT IS COMPLETELY -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: THEY WILL GET A TICKET. SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA:: MADAM MAYOR, THE PARKING COMMITTEE, WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS BECAUSE SOME BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN ESPECIALLY CAME TO US AND SAID, HEY, WE ARE AN OLDER COMMUNITY, A LOT OF OLD BUILDINGS. A LOT OF THINGS HAPPEN.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE RIPPING FLOORS OUT AND PUTTING A PLUMBING PIPE IN AN EMERGENCY. AND IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT COMPANY NEEDS TO REACH OUT TO THE CITY AND THIS IS NOT A LONG PERMITTING PROCESS. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY AND THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE ABILITY TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAIN IT TO ME. YOU HAVE -- HOW LONG DO YOU NEED. I NEED ALL DAY.

I AM GIVING YOU ALL DAY TO GET IT DONE AND IT IS DONE AND GONE, BUT IT FIXES A PROBLEM THAT WE HAD.

BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T PULL UP -- AND YOU HAVE -- HALFWAY THROUGH YOUR REPAIR YOU HAVE TO PACK YOUR TRUCK UP AND LEAVE.

SO, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS -- THIS WITH AS TALKED ABOUT.

WE VETTED THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS WITHOUT REALLY DAMAGING THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AND WE CAME UP WITH THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: COMMISSIONER PERONA, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE -- I WANTED TO BE CLEAR THIS IS WHAT I AM READING AND WHAT I READ.

CALL THE PLUMBER, CALL WHATEVER YOU NEED.

THE NEXT THING -- THE NEXT CALL NEED TO BE FOR OUR BUSINESS OWNERS TO CALL THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO GET THE PERMIT TO HAVE THEIR PLUMBER OR WHATEVER OTHER CONTRACTOR THERE BE ABLE TO PARK THERE SO THEY WON'T GET A TICKET.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR THIS IS WHAT I AM READING AND WHAT I READ LAST NIGHT. OKAY.

>> AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT EXIST NOW.

WE ARE LOOSENING THE RULES A LITTLE BIT TO PROVIDE BETTER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WHERE PHYSICALLY DO THEY GO IN THIS BUILDING?

WHO DO THEY CALL? >> WELL, THE PROCESS WILL BE UP TO MR. MIMMS. [LAUGHTER]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DETAILS TO FOLLOW, IS THAT IS IT.

>> THAT IS THE PROCEDURE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE COMMONSENSE APPROACH. YOU CALL THE EMERGENCY CONTRACTOR, THE LAST THING IN MIND IS CALLING ME TO GET A PARKING PERMIT. I MEAN, THAT'S NIGHT TO HAVE YOU THERE, BUT TRUTHFULLY, I MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE.

I MAY BE SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR THE NEXT TWO DAYS.

SO THAT -- I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A COMMONSENSE APPROACH AND THE CONTRACTOR WILL PARK WHERE THE CONTRACTOR PARKS.

AND IF THERE IS AN EXTENDED PERIOD, HE CAN SIMPLY EXPLAIN THAT TO OUR PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND WE MOVE FORWARD

TOGETHER. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: CAN I

MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? >>MAYOR: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: PARKING IS NUMBER THREE OR FOUR ON THAT LIST. LOWER ON THAT LIST.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WHEN THE CONTRACTOR IS COMING.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WHEN THE CONTRACTOR IS COMING.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE IT IS. ANOTHER FACTOR.

HE WAS SITTING IN THAT CORNER AND LEFT IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. SO THAT CONTRACTOR AND/OR OWNER SHOULD CALL THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WITHIN THE FIRST 30 TO 45 MINUTES AGO. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT UNDERSTANDS THAT, OH, THIS IS THE LOCATION. YES, WE ARE GOING TO HELP YOU

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AND OH, BY THE WAY, YOU ARE IN THIS RESTRICTED PARKING AREA, YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE YOUR CONTRACTOR HAS A PARKING PERMIT.

VERY EASY TO CONVEY THAT INFORMATION IN A ONE-STOP-SHOP APPLICATION. THEY HAVE TO GET A PERMIT.

SUPPOSED TO GET A PERMIT. SOME PEOPLE GET A PERMIT.

SO THAT IS MY POINT, THAT THERE IS A LOT OF COMMUNICATION THAT IS GOING ON IN ADDITION TO THE REPAIR.

>> FROM THE COMMUNICATIONS I HAD WITH THE BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT.

IF WE EXPLAIN THIS PROCEDURE TO THEM BECAUSE THIS IS AT THEIR REQUEST, I THINK THEY WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM FOLLOWING THE RULES PAUSE A REQUEST THAT CAME FROM THE BUSINESSES.

I REALLY JUST THINKING, AGAIN, THAT EDUCATION, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROCESS IS IN PLACE AND THE ONE, TWO AND THREE STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN BECAUSE THIS WHOLE ENTRY WAS GENERATED FROM REQUESTS FROM THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I THINK FURTHERMORE, THE ENFORCEMENT ADMINISTERS WHO ARE DOING THE WORK.

IF WE ARE ENCOUNTERING SOMETHING DOWN THERE AND THAT VAN HAS BEEN SITTING THERE, THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION TO CLOSE THAT GAP AT THE END.

IN THE CASE OF AN EMERGENCY, WE AREN'T ALL THINKING CLEARLY.

GET WATER STOPPED. GET IT FIXED.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY ADDITIONAL HARDSHIP.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: RIGHT, RIGHT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: OKAY. >> WE MOVE ON TO THE MARINA PARKING PERMITS. TENANTS WITH REQUEST A MARINA PARKING PERMIT. THEY SHALL FOLLOW OUR RULES AND THE MARINA PARKING RULES. THIS IS THE PART THAT COMPASSION PERONA WAS REFERRING TO. UNLESS THEY ARE IN THE DESIGNATED MARINA PARKING IN THE NORTH SIDE OF THE MARINA.

THEY CAN'T BE PARKED IN ONE LOCATION MORE THAN TEN DAYS, IF YOU ARE PARKING MORE THAN TEN DAYS GO TO THE THIRD, FOURTH AND FIFTH FLOOR OF THE GARAGE. THIS HAS KIND OF BEEN A POLICY, A LOOSE POLICY. THIS IS KIND OF MEMORIALIZING IT. WITH THE MARINA PARKING, PARK IN THE NORTH PARKING LOT. THE 24-HOUR DOES NOT APPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MARINA PARKING.

IF YOU ARE MORE THAN TEN DAYS, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE PARKING GARAGE. JUROR PARKING PERMITS.

ONE OF MY FAVORITE DISCUSSIONS. THIS SIMPLY GIVES THE CLERK OF COURT THE ABILITY AND THE RIGHT TO ISSUE A PARKING PERMIT FOR JURORS. TO BE USED FOR ONE DAY FOR JURY DUTY AND IF YOU ARE ASSIGNED TO A JUDGE -- PUT ON A JURY, YOU CAN GET A SEVEN-DAY ONE. UP TO THE CLERK OF COURT.

GIVING THEM THE AUTHORITY TO DO THIS.

THEY CAN ISSUE IT. THE JUROR -- UP TO THEM IF THEY WANT TO DO IT AND PARK IN A TWO-HOUR SPARKING SPOT.

I KNOW I WOULDN'T BE PUTTING IT. I WOULD BE PARKING IN THE GARAGE WITHOUT A TICKET. IF YOU WANT TO PUT A THING THAT I AM A JUROR AND PARK IN THE TWO-HOUR PARKING PAUSE YOU WANT TO BE CLOSE TO THE COURTHOUSE, THAT IS UP TO YOU.

GIVES THE THE CLERK. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THEY CREATE THE

PERMIT AND ISSUE IT. >> WE ALREADY HAVE THIS IN PLACE. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS DESIGNATED PARKING ON THE BACK SIDE.

SO THAT IS THE GENERAL CHANGES AND OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE RULES ARE. THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE IS REGARDING HOW WE ENFORCE IT. NONE OF THIS HAS CHANGED.

THIS IS ALL IN EXISTENCE RIGHT NOW.

I AM PASSING -- LOOKING AT THE LETTER -- THIS, THOUGH, DOES PUT MORE RESPONSIBILITY ON MY DEPARTMENT IF YOU ARE APPEALING A CITATION, WE PROM IN IS TO HAVE IT REVIEWED WITHIN SEVEN DAYS TO EITHER SAY YES, YOUR ARGUMENT IS CORRECT.

OH, YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU ARE DOING A REPAIR.

I SEE THE REPAIR BILL. WE MOVE ON.

OH, NO, I AM SORRY, IT IS GOING TO GO FOR A HEARING.

PUTTING A TIME RESTRICTION ON ME AND MY STAFF THAT WE CAN'T TAKE THE APPEALS AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

WE HAVE TO ACT ON IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE FIRST THING YOU DO WHEN YOU GET A TICKET AND YOU DON'T THINK IT IS JUSTIFIED,

YOU CALL YOU. >> YES.

>> SOME OTHER CHANGES IN HERE. THIS IS FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IF FIND IT IS IN VIOLATION.

HAS TO BE PAID WITHIN 14 DAYS AND GOES TO THE CIRCUIT COURT -- CLERK OF COURT. WHICH, AGAIN, IS THE PROCESS NOW. IT IS MEMORIALIZING IT.

WHAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATES DO NOW.

14 DAYS TO PAY OR SEND IT OVER TO THE COUNTY COURT.

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AND OBVIOUSLY OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.

THIS IS -- IF YOU RECEIVE MULTIPLE PARKING TICKETS AND YOU DON'T PAY THEM, THE CITY HAS THE RIGHT I'M MOBILIZE A VEHICLE THROUGH A BOOT, CLAM SHELLS OR A MOBILIZATION DEVICE.

OBVIOUSLY WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO.

THE OTHER THAT DO IT IS THE BUREAU.

THEY DO THE IMMOBILIZATION. STUART DOES IT.

NOT ANYTHING NEW FOR THE AREA, BUT NEW FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WHICH IS ENFORCEMENT OF PAST-DUE TICKETS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: $1 50. HOW MANY TICKETS IS THAT?

>> THAT WILL BE TWO. $50 FIRST CITATION AND $100

SECOND CITATION. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: JUST SO I AM CLEAR, THEY WOULD KNOW AT THE.THEY ARE WRITE THIS CITATION THAT THIS PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF THIS 37.

. >> YOU CAN GET 17 CITATIONS BUT AS LONG AS YOU PAY THEM FOR NOT PAYING IT.

FOR THE SOFTWARE WE ARE GETTING, WILL PROVIDE US WITH THAT INFORMATION, THE TRACKING INFORMATION.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: CHA.

AT THAT POINT PUTTING IN LICENSE PLATE.

I OWE PAST TICKET IN EXCESS. THE CLAM SHELL OR THE BOOT AND GOES TO THAT PARTICULAR CAR. TO GET THAT REMOVED IS WHAT, ANOTHER FEE ON TOP OF THAT OR ON TOP OF THE PERSONALITIES.

>>REPORTER: A FEE THAT WAS SET. ON THE LIST OF ITEMS THAT COULD BE SET BY CITY COMMISSION. THAT COULD BE UP TO THE CITY

COMMISSION. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GOT IT. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, THAT VEHICLE THEN IS STUCK DOWNTOWN WITH A BOOT ON IT UNTIL WE DETERMINE THAT WE ARE GOING TO CALL A WRECKER TO REMOVE IT

BECAUSE IT IS STILL STUCK THERE. >> FOR 24 HOURS.

24 HOURS IS THE VERY LAST SECTION THERE.

IF MORE THAN 24 HOURS, WE WILL HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND REMOVE IT BECAUSE NOW IT IS BECOMING A SAFETY ISSUE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I UNDERSTAND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY. >> THAT'S --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PEGGY, WHERE DOES IT SAY WHAT DAY IT IS

ENFORCED IN THIS DOCUMENT? >> IT DOES NOT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE TELLING ME MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

>> THE TWO-HOUR PARKING IS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT TIME TO WHAT TIME?

>> FROM 8 TO 5:30 IS WHAT THE TWO-HOUR PARK IT IS RIGHT NOW.

IT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT COULD CHANGE.

THE CITY COMMISSION COULD DECIDE 6 A.M. TO 6 P.M. SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CHANGED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE LEAVING WHAT IS IN PLACE IN TERMS OF WHAT IS IN PLACE, WITH THE DAYS AND TIMES.

>> CORRECT. IF WE GO BACK TO THE RULES AND REGULATIONS SAYS TIME RESTRICTED.

IF IT IS POSTED AS A TIME RESTLIKTED.

WHATEVER THAT RESTRICTION IS. THAT IS WHAT IS ENFORCED.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MARE, TWO-HOUR PARKING.

IT TELLS THE HOURS AND THE DAYS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MAYOR. WE ESTABLISH THAT BY A RESOLUTION. WE DON'T WANT THAT PART OF THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE ADDITIONAL READINGS AND PUBLIC HEARING, BUT DIDN'T WE ESTABLISH THE TIME BY RESOLUTION?

>> DEFER ON MR. RAYS. BUT THE, YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS

EASIER -- >> I WILL PASS THAT OVER TO LINDA, BUT IT HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE ORDINANCE.

SO -- AND IT HAS BEEN IN THIS PLACE SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE IN THIS POSITION. SO I WOULD ASSUME IT IS MEMORIALIZED IN SOME MANNER IN SOME WAY.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: IT IS OKAY WHAT IT WAS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS EASIER MOVING FORWARD IF MODIFICATIONS NEED TO BE MADE FOR COMMISSION BODIES IN THE FUTURE, TEN YEARS FROM TODAY, THEN THEY CAN MODIFY THAT, THAT'S ALL.

>> I CAN STATE THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN IN THE ORDINANCE.

I AM NOT REMOVING ANYTHING FROM THE AUDIENCE.

IT WAS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE. MAYBE DO A RESOLUTION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: FIND OUT IF WE HAVE ONE ALREADY.

>> IF I MAY, MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW -- JUST SOMETHING I AM THROWING OUT TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER MAKING A GENERAL REFERENCE TO TIME-RESTRICTED PARKING IN THE ORDINANCE AND ACTUALLY POST IT ON THE SIGN. BECAUSE YOU MAY FIND THERE ARE DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITIWHERE YOU MAY WANT THE HOURS TO BE DIFFERENT GOING FORWARD AND WILL ALLOW MORE FLEXIBILITY SO WE ARE NOT HAVING TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU EITHER WITH A RESOLUTION OR AN ORDINANCE. BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO CRAFT THE ORDI ORDINANCE.

>> IT'S WHAT IT SAYS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT IT SAYS NOW. ARE YOU SAYING WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO DO A RESOLUTION TO CHANGE THE TIMES?

>> I WILL LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE AGAIN.

TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CRAFTED FOR THAT PURPOSE.

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>> WITH PARKING TIME LIMITED. NO PERSON SHOULD PARK IN VIOLATION OF THE PARKING LIMITS. WE HAVE TWO-HOUR PARKING.

BUT IN THE PARKS NO OVERNIGHT PARKING TO OR NO PARKING AFTER SUNSET. WHAT IS THE RESOLUTION FOR THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION AND IS THE SIGN POSTED WHAT THAT IS.

BECAUSE MISS EARLEY JUST SAID. WHAT IS THE TIME RESTRICTION FOR THAT PROPER LOCATION AND DID WE PROPERLY POST IT.

SO IS THE PERSON DOING THE PARKING SEE IT IS AND

UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE RULES ARE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT I HAVE GOTTEN COMPLAINTS ARE, THAT PEOPLE PARKING IN BOAT TRAILER PLACES AND THEY DON'T REALIZE THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. SO THE SIGNAGE NEEDS TO BE REALLY CLEAR FOR THAT. YEAH, GO AHEAD.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO ECHO THAT. THE WHOLE BOAT PARKING THING AND SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE HERE. NOT ONLY PEOPLE PARKING REGULAR VEHICLES IN BOAT PARKING LOT. WHEN THAT IS FULL AND THEY MOVE TO ONE OF OUR CITY DESIGNATED SPOT AREA THAT WE ARE PAYING A LEASE ON FOR PUBLIC PARKING FOR FREE, AND THEY PARK THERE, IN AN AREA THAT IS EVEN NOT IN A PREMIUM SPOT BUT IN THE BACK OF THE LOT, THEY ARE BEING TICKETED AND NO SIGNAGE THERE.

SO -- >> YES, THERE IS.

THERE ARE SIGNS. BOTH ENTRANCES THAT SAY NO

TRAILER PARKING. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

SO OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON:

ACROSS FROM MANATEE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

YES, I AM, SPECIFICALLY. >> SIGNS AT BOTH ENTRANCES THAT SAY NO TRAILER PARKING. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND SOME DISCUSSION OF ADDING TRAILER PARKING POSSIBLY TO THE BACK AND RECONFIGURE IT. BUT CONFIGURED RIGHT NOW FOR PERSONAL VEHICLE USE. THAT IS THE CONFIGURATION.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: IN THE FRONT PART.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY NO TRAILER.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I UNDERSTAND.

THE BACK PART IS NOT CONFIGURED AT ALL AND JUST GRASS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: INVITING. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: FULL ACROSS THE STREET WITH VIOLATORS OR PEOPLE PARKING APPROPRIATELY. PEOPLE ARE LAUNCHING THEIR BOATS AND PARTAKE WITH THAT AND SOME ARE MET WITH TICKETS ARE, SOME AREN'T. THIS PAST SUNDAY AND LABOR DAY HOLIDAY A OVERFLOW AND I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THE TICKETS ARE LIKE WITH THE DAY BEFORE.

NO TICKETS WERE GIVEN? >> ON HOLIDAY WEEKEND, WE DO A LOT MORE COMMUNICATION. WE TRY -- WE KNOW MASS OVERLOAD.

WE DO ISSUE TICKETS. I DON'T MEAN THAT, BUT WE TRY TO DO A LOT MORE EDUCATION AND MOVING PEOPLE ALONG ON HOLIDAYS.

WE DO IT ON ALL HOLIDAYS. I RECEIVED THE COMPLAINTS AND HE DIDN'T GET A TICKET. IF I HAVE ONE PERSON WRITING TICKETS, THEY CAN'T HIT -- NO MAGIC WAND THAT PUTS TICKET ON EVERY VEHICLE. WE DO ONE TICKET AT A TIME.

THAT PARKING SPOT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MR. MIMMS' ATTENTION.

IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT CURRENTLY THE RULES SAY NO

TRAILER PARKING IN THAT LOT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YOU ARE TELLING ME THE EXPECTATION THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND IF I TOOK MY PERSONAL VEHICLE AND PARK IT ON THE MANATEE BOAT RAMP, AND PARKING SPACES DESIGNATED FOR TRAILERS AND TRUCKS, I SHOULD GET A TICKET, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE

TELLING ME? >>MAYOR: HAPPENED IN THE 12A ABOUT,OWIE PARKING LO THE. MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A COUPLE OF REITERATIONS AT THE FISHERMAN'S WHARF AND VETERANS PARK WHICH AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS THE MANATEE BOAT RAMP AREA.

IN THE CENTER BOAT AND PARKING ONLY IS NOW FLEX PARKING.

BOTH PERSONAL VEHICLES AND VEHICLES TOWING A TRAILER CAN PARK THERE. WE HAD THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOMETIMES WHEN THERE IS -- THERE ARE NO BOATS OR TRAILERS IN THE AREA AND SOMETIMES THERE IS OVERLOADED WITH TRAILERS.

WE HAVE FLEX PARKING IN THESE ZONES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: BOTH OF THEM? >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: FISHERMAN'S WHARF USED TO BE CALLED BLACK PEARL AND MANATEE PARKING AREA.

WE ARE CONSIDERING THE CONFIGURATION OF THE FORT PIERCE RESORTS, TEMPORARY PARKING AREA, EXPANDED FOR THE USE AS WELL.

YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ACCESS TO THE WATER IS A PREMIUM.

FOLKS COME TO FORT PIERCE FOR THIS.

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YES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: AND JAYCEE PARK

ALSO HAS TRAILER PARKING TOO. >> IT DOES, BUT HOWEVER THAT IS

VERY, VERY CLEARLY MARKED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CLEARLY MARKED.

>> VERY CLEARLY MARKED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREET PARKING.

SECTION 41 -- I FOUND IT INTERESTING AND I LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT THAT I NEVER REALLY KNEW.

WE HAVE A LOT OF NARROW RESIDENTIAL STREETS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AND I HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL CONCERNS -- I AM NOT GOING TO CALL THEM COMPLAINTS -- ABOUT PARKING ON THOSE STREETS. IN FAK FACT TALKING TO POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, NOT CLEAR WHAT IS LEGAL, WHAT IS NOT, WHAT IS DANGEROUS. PART OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT THAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. PARKING NEAR A DRIVEWAY AND ALL THE RESTRICTIONS AND THAT'S GOOD.

SO IF I -- IF I WANT TO AND HAVE -- WANTED TO LOAD UP MY WHOLE

YARD WITH CARS, CAN I DO THAT? >> NO, SIR, THAT IS CODE

ENFORCEMENT. >> THAT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: IF AN AUTOMOBILE IS UP ON THE GRASS OR UP ON THE HOUSE NOT IN A DRIVEWAY.

>> THAT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT. AN ORDINANCE THAT SAID YOU CAN NOT PARK IN THE FRONT YARD OF YOUR HOUSE.

THAT IS A SEPARATE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE.

WHAT WE INCORPORATED INTO THE PARKING IS REGARD CAN STREET.

ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, CODE ENFORCEMENT HAS THAT IN EXISTENCE. THIS IS NEW TO ADDRESS THE NARROW STREETS THAT WE HAVE. THAT YOU EXPECT PARK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THE PERSON COMING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY, A SAFETY ISSUE AND MINIMUM STREET CLEARANCE. YOU NEED IT MINIMUM STREET CLEARANCE FOR FIRE TRUCKS, AMBULANCES, AND WHATNOT LET ALONE REGULAR TRAFFIC. THESE TWO ARE INCORPORATED -- ALMOST EVERY CITY I LOOKED AT HAS SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO IT. IT WAS JUST MISSING FROM OURS AND IT HAPPENS AND MORE AN ISOLATED INCIDENT BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE HAVE COMMON SENSE BUT UNFORTUNATELY, WE GET THESE INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE PARK NEXT TO A DRIVEWAY AND THE PERSON CAN'T COME OUT SAFELY. NEXT TO A DRIVEWAY.

IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND PROVIDES LITTLE MORE SAFETY.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: AN AUTOMOBILE ON A RESIDENTIAL STREET OUT IN FRONT OF JUSTICE HOUSE AND YOU ARE NOT WITHIN TEN FEET OF A DRIVEWAY, YOU CAN STAY THERE ALL YOU WANT?

OKAY. >> AND NOT POSTED NO PARKING.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I GOT IT.

THE OTHER PART OF THE QUESTION OF NOT PARKING IN A YARD I WILL SAVE THAT FOR THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS? OK

OKAY. >> WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AT A COMMISSION MEETING FOR FINAL REVIEW AND ADOPTION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WILL LET US KNOW IF THERE IS A RESOLUTION ALREADY WITH THE TIMES AND WHAT WE WILL DO IN THE FUTURE ABOUT

THE TIMES AND DAYS. >> I WILL LOOK INTO THAT MATTER.

[b. Presentation and review of the short-term/vacation rental program, costs and fees.]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANKS. EVERYBODY OKAY?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PEGGY. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

>> NEXT ITEM IS PRESENTATION AND REVIEW OF THE SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTAL PROGRAM, COST AND FEES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHT, MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTALS IS SOMETHING OF GREAT COMMUNITY INTEREST.

OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, AS WELL AS OUR CITY CLERK, HAVE DEVELOPED A PROCESS I BELIEVE IS FUNCTIONING AS INTENDED AND WE HAVE AN UPDATE WITH SOME POSSIBLE RECOMMENDATIONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MRS. REYES ARE YOU DOING THIS OR MISS COX.

>> WE ARE DOING IT TOGETHER. >> GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE DOING AN UPDATE ON THE SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTAL PROGRAM IN PLACE FOR JUST ABOUT A YEAR.

WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 301 REGISTRATIONS.

OUR INCOME HAS REACHED 97,500. AND WE DO HAVE EXPENSES THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. $32,000 IS THE COST OF THE SOFTWARE WE USE. SOMETIMES CALLED GRANICUS OR HOST COMPLIANCE. I THINK IT IS CALLED HOST COMPLIANCE. WE HAVE THAT PROTECTION OF NO RATE INCREASES FOR THREE YEARS. WE HAVE STAFFING AND ADMINISTRATION COSTS THAT TOTALED ABOUT 95,000.

ABOUT $# 500 IS FOR LIEN SEARCHES.

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THE TIME FOR THE CITY CLERK IS ROUGHLY $39,000 IN EXPENSES.

>> SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO HELP WITH THE -- I JUST READ THE

SCREEN. >> OH, OKAY.

WELL, I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT THAT WE DID DROP THE REGISTRATION FEE TO $300 MIDWAY THROUGH THE YEAR JUST LIKE WE DO FOR BUSINESS TAX. THE REASON FOR THAT IT DIDN'T SEEM FAIR IF WE ARE GOING TO REGISTER TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE RENEWAL PERIOD YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE FULL 600 AGAIN.

I WOULD RECOMMEND GOING THROUGH A ANNIVERSARY RENEWAL OPPOSED TO EVERYTHING RENEWS ON SEPTEMBER 30.

WE USED TO DO IT ON SEPTEMBER 30 BECAUSE TIED TO THE BUSINESS TAX RELEASE RENEWAL. BUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUSINESS TAX AND NO REASON IT COULDN'T BE DONE ON AN ANNIVERSARY BASIS AS OPPOSED TO ONE POINT IN TIME AND I THINK WE WILL MAKE IT MORE FAIR TO EVERYONE AND FROM A PROCESSING DIDN'T, WILL MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR US AS WELL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I SECOND THAT BECAUSE SQUISHING EVERYTHING INTO A TWO-MONTH PERIOD IS CHALLENGING AT LEAST ON STATUTE.

WHEREAS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE DOING CONSISTENTLY, 12 MONTHS OUT OF A ON STATUTE. WHEREAS, IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE DOING CONSISTENTLY, 12 MONTHS OUT OF A YEAR.

IT EVENS OUT EVERYTHING. I AGREE WITH LINDA, WE SHOULD GO TO AN ANNIVERSARY YEAR, MAKES LOGISTICS, FINANCIAL SENSE.

THAT IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR AMENDING THE ORDINANCE TO AN

ANNIVERSARY YEAR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE MORE

SLIDES? >> JUST TWO.

REAL QUICKLY, THE COMPLAINTS WE RECEIVED HAVE DROPPED SIGNIFICANTLY. I HAVE TO SAY THAT.

WE HAVE NOT HAD TO ADDRESS A RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR FAILURE TO RESPOND. THE COMPLAINTS WE HAVE RECEIVED WHOEVER THE MANAGER, OWNER HAS RESPONDED.

I HAVE FOUND THAT THE STATE STATUTE PROHIBITING ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS HAS BEEN A DETERRENT, ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT JUST FOR THIS BUT CODE ENFORCEMENT. I PERSONALLY SPOKE THAT I CAN'T ADDRESS THIS UNLESS YOU GIVE ME YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS UNLESS THIS WHICH IS REQUIRED. ONE OF ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS ENOUGH OF A SAFETY ISSUE. ABOUT BLOCKING ROADWAY.

WE WILL SEND SOMETHING OUT ON A SAFETY RESPONSE.

BUT IT HAS BEEN A DETERRENT AND WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE STATUTE. WE CAN'T GET AROUND THAT.

TWO ADDRESSES THE SOURCE OF MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS, BUT, AGAIN, THE OWNER HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE. I HAVEN'T HAD THAT PROBLEM.

IN FACT THEY HAVE ME ON SPEED DIAL NOW.

THEY HAVE BEEN RESPONSIVE AND THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

I DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS IN THAT AREA.

I WANT TO SHOW THAT THE NUMBER OF DOCUMENTED COMPLAINTS FOR A YEAR IS 31. THAT INCLUDES SIX GENERAL INQUIRIES. PEOPLE ASKING QUESTIONS.

25 FOR THE YEAR OF A NUMBER OF DOCUMENTED COMPLAINTS THAT WE HA HAVE.

>>> ENFORCEMENT, WE CURRENTLY FROM 270 ADVERTISED.

GRANICUS HAS MAIN WEB SITES. DON'T DO LOCAL ONES.

87 THAT HAVE NOT BEEN IDENTIFIED YET.

AND WE ARE WORKING ON THE NONCOMPLIANT.

THIS PAST WEEK FOUR MORE THAT CAME AND SAID WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. FOR AS MUCH ADVERTISING AS WE DO, STILL PEOPLE WHO SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW.

AND SOMETHING WE ARE RUNNING INTO IS TURNOVER.

THESE PROPERTIES ARE TURNING OVER AND THEY ARE TURNING OVER QUICKLY. AND THE REG STINGRAYS STATION DOESN'T GO WITH THE PROPERTY. GOES OWNER TO OWNER.

SO WE HAVE FOUND -- WE WILL SEND A LETTER AND IMMEDIATELY GETTING A CALL BACK SAYING, OH, I ALREADY SOLD IT.

AND WE HAVE TO START OVER AGAIN. WE ARE FINDING THAT THERE IS A LOT OF TURNOVER IN THESE PROPERTIES.

AND THEN FOR ALL OF OUR ADVERTISING, PEOPLE ARE STILL NOT AWARE OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. BUT I DON'T GET A WHOLE LOT OF PUSH BACK FROM THEN REGARDING OUR RULES.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR.

THE QUESTION, NOT YET IDENTIFIED.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.

>> SURE. PEOPLE DON'T PUT THEIR ADDRESS OR IDENTIFYING FEATURES ON THEIR ADS.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE PA PAYING GRANICUS.

THEY SCAN RESOURCES TO TRY TO MATCH THE PROBLEMS. I WANT EVERYONE OUT THERE TO HEAR IT, JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T PUT YOUR ADDRESS AND IDENTIFYING FEATURES DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T

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ONE OF MY FAVORITE. THE PICTURE ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT WITH REALTOR.COM WITH IDENTIFYING FEATURE ARE THAT I'M, ADDRESS. THE AIRBNB WITH NO IDENTIFYING FEATURES. AND THEY WERE ABLE TO MUCH THE STUCCO PATTERN TO IDENTIFY WHO THIS IS.

IF YOU ARE OUT THERE AND YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT WITH NAME AND ADDRESS. THAT IS TRUE.

WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: TRYING -- IN THE PROCESS AUTO EYE DEN TIE.

>> GRANICUS, WE ARE PAYING THEM TO IDENTIFY.

>> THESE ARE THE LENGTHS THEY GO TO DO IDENTIFY.

THAT IS THE BRIEF QUICK UPDATE WHERE WE ARE AT WITH THIS

PROGRAM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: HAD WE HAD ANY KIND OF MEET WITH REAL STORES TO EXPLAIN OUR PROCESS AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR OUR PROCESS SO THEY CAN BE EDUCATED FOR BUYES.

>> NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING. IN THE BEGINNING A DISCUSSION GOING ON WITH DIFFERENT REALTORS.

NOT SINCE THEN, NO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IN THE PAST WE HAVE VISITORS WHO ARE IN THE BUSINESS TO MAKE A SALE HAVE SAID THINGS LIKE, OH, IT IS OKAY TO DO THIS AND DON'T BOTHER WITH THAT AND WHATEVER. IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THEIR BEST INTEREST TO BRING IT UP TO THE POTENTIAL SALE PARTY.

BUT IT JUST WOULD BE PERHAPS AN EXERCISE IN EDUCATING THE REAL ESTATE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT OUR PROCESS IS, WHY IT IS, SOME

JUSTIFICATION. >> ON THE FLIP SIDE, OTHER REALTORS WHO ARE INCREDIBLY CONSCIENTIOUS.

I AM STARTING UP IN THIS AREA. WHAT RULES DO I KNOW.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A BUYER AND GET A SURPRISE. I DON'T WANT A BE TO A REALTOR AND SOLD SOMEONE SOMETHING AND YOU GET A SURPRISE.

COMMISSIONER JON. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THANK YOU. ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, A FOLLOW-UP WITH THE ACTUAL AIRBNB OWNERS OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE REGISTERED THEIR RESPECTIVE PROPERTIES TO HAVE FEEDBACK

SESSION WITH THEM. >> NO AND YES.

THE LETTERS WE SEND OUT GENERATE THE BASIS OF THE COMMUNICATION.

AGAIN, THE VAST, THE VAST MAJORITY, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO TO COMPLY. WE DID LEARN THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT AIRBNB AND VRBO HAVE RESTRICTION WHAT IS THE OWN CAN POST ONLINE. ONE OF THE RULES IN OUR ORDINANCE YOU HAVE TO PRESENT A LINK TO THE GOOD NEIGHBOR.

BUT AIRBNB DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO POST A LINK.

NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. THROUGH DISCUSSION WITH THEM -- ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO SAID IF I JUST USED THE PDF AND PUT IT AS PART OF THE PHOTOS, WILL THAT WORK.

I SAY ABSOLUTELY. WE RECOMMEND THAT TO ANYONE WHO CALLS US. BECAUSE THE OTHER SIDE WHICH IS THE ADVERTISING NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH -- WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE THE PHOTOS AND PUT IT LIKE THE JPEG.

BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL NOT CLICK ON THE LINK BUT READ IT IF IT IS IN

A PHOTO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A PHOTO OF THE

BROCHURE, YOU ARE SAYING. >> A PHOTO OF THE BROCHURE.

YES WE HAD DISCUSSION -- YES, AND IT IS USUALLY GENERATED BY THE LETTERS. AS A GROUP, I AM NOT SURE HOW

THAT COULD TOOK PLACE. >> I GUESS THE REASON I ASKED THAT, LEARNINGS ON BOTH PERHAPS. I THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING -- WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT OPEN COMMUNICATION, IT DOES TEMP DOWN SURPRISES, ANGER A AND MISCOMMUNICATION OPPORTUNITIES IF WE ARE TALKING TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE BUSINESS. AND IT IS GREAT TO SEE THAT COMPLAINTS ARE CERTAINLY DOWN, BUT I HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF E-MAILS CONCERNING OUR -- I AM SURE WE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF E-MAILS OF THE PRICE STRUCTURE. I WANTED TO REVISIT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MRS. COX, OUR FEE DOWN TO 300 --

>> RENEWAL SEASON. ON SEPTEMBER 1, WENT BACK TO 600. SO SEPTEMBER 1, $600.

THE RENEWALS ARE DUE BY SEPTEMBER 30.

SO ONCE THEY PAY THE $60, IT WILL BE GOOD FOR THE ENTIRE

YEAR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SHE WAS

PROPOSING. >> WHENEVER YOU SIGN UP WITH US, THAT WILL BE YOUR RENEWAL YEAR DATE ONE YEAR LATER.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: OKAY.

SO THE RENEWAL PROCESS IS ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE.

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IF I GO IN JANUARY, SHOULD GO TO JANUARY THE FOLLOWING YEAR.

>> STRONGLY RECOMMEND. >> ISN'T THAT WAY NOW.

>> BUT I GUESS THE PART -- THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS THE ACTUAL COST OF WHAT WE ARE CHARGING AND WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW IS WHAT THE COST OF THIS TYPE OF ADMINISTRATION PROGRAMMING IS. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S AT THE LEVEL PRETTY MUCH OF WHERE THE INCOME IS PRETTY MUCH IN ENFORCEMENT OF THIS PROJECT. RIGHT.

AND I GUESS ONE OF THE CONCERNS, TOO, IF PEOPLE HAD MULTIPLE UNITS HERE AND I KNEW AT ONE POINT, I THOUGHT CONTEMPLATING THAT, AND MAYBE I AM WRONG. I THOUGHT CONTEMPLATING ON PEOPLE WITH MULTIPLE UNITS THAT THERE WILL BE STAGGERED COSTS ON THAT OPPOSED TO HITTING THAT AGAIN AT THE SAME POINT.

I GUESS SOME DISCUSSING ABOUT THAT, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS I THINK WE WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION UPON IN OUR CONFERENCE TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL GOTTEN THOSE E-MAILS.

I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A LONG, HARD LOOK AT MAKING SURE THAT WE COVERED ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS AND MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE $39,000 OUT OF THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS AND WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT.

>> BASICALLY THAT IS A PERCENTAGE -- EVERYBODY IN OUR OFFICE TOUCHES THE VACATION RENTALS IN SOME WAY, SHAPE FOR FORM. OUR ESTIMATE OF THEIR DAILY -- YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH OF THEIR ANNUALIZED ARE THEY DEDICATING TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. RIGHT NOW THEY CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE BECAUSE ALL THEY ARE DOING IS SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

LATER ON THE YEAR, IT IS NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE DEALING WITH NEW ONES AND NOT DEALING WITH THE RENEWAL PROCESS.

TAKES A LOT OF STAFF TIME BECAUSE NEVER TO REVIEW ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE COMPLIANT. I WILL TELL YOU A LOT OF THEM DON'T SUBMIT ALL OF DOCUMENTATION SO AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF FOLLOW-THROUGH AND FOLLOW-UP WITH THEM TO SAY, WE NEED MORE INFORMATION. WE NEED THESE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION. SO US SIMPLY GATHERING THE INFORMATION, VERIFYING THE INFORMATION, AND MAKING SURE IT IS ALL ON THE WEB SITE AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE.

SO THAT WAY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT.

THEY NEED TO SEE WHAT IS SUBMITTED SO WHEN THEY DO THE EVERYTHING IS DONE AS IT SHOULD BE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: HAVE WE TAKEN A LOOK AT THOSE THAT -- I UNDERSTAND A NEW -- A NEW PERSON COMING TO A BRAND-NEW PERSON COMING TO THE AREA AND A BRAND-NEW HOUSE I WILL PUT ON AIRBNB. A WHOLE NEW PROCESS PUTTING IT IN THE SYSTEM, ETC. HAVE WE LOOKED AT POEM WHO HAVE BEEN WITH US FOR A WHILE. AND LOOK AT WHAT WE TO DO RENEW THEM AND WHAT PRICE TO RENEW THEM AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT.

AND INTERESTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE, RIGHT, BRAND-NEW PEOPLE JUST COMING OPPOSED TO MA MANY PEOPLE WITH THE SECOND ANNIVERSARY OF THAT NEW PROGRAM THAT NOW WOULD BE MORE OF A FORMALITY OF THEM JUST RENEWING THAT.

AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS AS TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, AND WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT THOSE CHARGES FOR THE RESPECTIVE PEOPLE.

AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS -- HOW MANY UNIT ORGANIZATIONS DO WE HAVE. FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE IS ONE PERSON WHO HAS, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE LISTINGS, HOW MANY OF THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE IN THE SYSTEM OR ORGANIZATIONS?

>> WELL, AS TO THE RENEWAL PROCESS, IT IS DEFINITELY NOT AS RIGOROUS AS THE INITIAL PROCESS. STILL HAVE TO DO A LIEN SEARCH AND REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THEIR STATE LICENSES, BUT NOT AS RIGOROUS AS THE FIRST-TIME RENEWAL.

AND IN TERMS OF THOSE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY.

WE HAVE SEVERAL INDIVIDUAL -- INDIVIDUAL OWNERS THAT OWN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. WE HAVE CALDWELL BANKER, FOR INSTANCE, THAT REPRESENTS 140 PROPERTIES OR SO.

SO WE HAVE -- I MEAN, IT'S UP TO YOU IN TERMS OF THE FEE.

WE HAVE NOT LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, HAVING A PRORATED FEE IF YOU OWN

MULTIPLE UNITS. >> LINDA, TO GO ALONG WITH THAT.

TYPICALLY, WHAT I HAVE SEEN FROM THE -- IS -- IF YOU OWN MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES, REQUIRED TO GET A SEPARATE LICENSE FROM THE STATE FOR EACH OF THOSE UNITS. YOU HAVE A BUILDING WITH A, B AND C. YOU HAVE A LICENSE FOR A AND B.

WITH THE SAME BUILDING, YOU LOOK AT THE HOTEL LICENSE WHICH IS

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HOTEL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL IN THE SAME

PLACE? >> ALL IN THE SAME PLACE.

PART OF OUR ENFORCEMENT. WE GET A INFORMATION WHERE THERE IS NO LICENSE, BUT WE FIND OUT THEY ARE HOTELS.

WE DO AN EX-EXEMPTION. THE HE HOTEL IS THE SHORTHORN

TERM VACATION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THEY HAVE TO GET

A HOTEL LICENSE. >> CORRECT.

THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO GET A HOTEL LICENSE AND YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THAT IF YOU HAVE FOUR OR MORE UNITS.

OTHER AVENUES THEY CAN PURSUE TO STAY OUT OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GOT IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WHERE IS YOUR TIME IN THIS.

>> THIS PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED. IT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR A PART-TIME CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

AND WE PUT THAT -- WE HAD TROUBLE FILLING A PART-TIME POSITION. WE HAD A PART-TIME PARKING ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND WE HAD TROUBLE FILLING THAT TYPE OF POSITION. WHAT MR. MIMMS -- WE COMBINED BOTH PART-TIMES INTO A FULL-TIME.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: TWO HALVES MAKE A WHOLE.

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: THE STAFFING AND ADMINISTRATION COST TO THIS.

SURE, THE FACT THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS MOST OF THE COMMUNITY IS HAPPIER ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF, BUT TO TELL ME WE ONLY HAVE 400 VACATION RENTALS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS ALMOST ABSURD TO ME. I WILL SAY THAT IF YOU AND I HAD TO SIT DOWN AND BET ON IT, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE SOME MULTIPLE OF THAT. IF YOU WERE A I BELIEVE TO CAPTURE THOSE FOLKS AND BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE.

HOW WOULD THAT EFFECT THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND STAFFING CROSSTHOSE FOLKS AND BRING THEM COMPLIANCE.

HOW WOULD THAT EFFECT THE ADMINISTRATIVE AND STAFFING CR CROSS.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME DOING THAT.

AND THE ISSUE WAS YOU DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH WORK FOR THEM, BUT NOW YOU DO. IF THAT DOUBLED DOCTOR IF THAT 301 DOUBLED, ARE YOU LOOKING AT -- AT A SIGNIFICANT HIGHER COST IN YOUR ADMINISTRATION AND STAFFING COST?

>> YES, SIR. AGAIN, NOT JUST THE REGISTRATION THAT MY STAFF ENFORCES, BUT CHECK THE ADS.

WE MAKE SURE THE ADS ARE COMPLIANT.

YOU MAY HAVE ONE UNIT AND FOUR ADS UP.

YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE LINK OR POSTING.

600, EACH OF THOSE UNITS HAVE THREE ADS.

1800 ADS THAT HAVE TO BE REVIEWED.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: WHAT I AM SAYING THEY WOULDN'T DOUBLE

NECESSARILY. >> WOULDN'T NECESSARILY DOUBLE

BUT BE MORE. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO CAPTURE ALSO.

TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE, TOO, IS THE LOWER -- THE LOWER AMOUNT OF FORMAL COMPLAINTS.

I DON'T THINK IT IS COMMENSURATE TO COMPLIANCE.

AND I DON'T THINK IT IS COMMENSURATE TO THE HAPPINESS OR THE ACCEPTANCE OF FOLKS IN THE COMM COMMUNITY. I THINK IT IS AVOIDANCE.

PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS, NOT LOOKING AND WHAT IS RIGHT. I THINK IN THE LONG-RUN, THAT MAY END UP BEING A PROBLEM TO US ALL.

I GET COMPLAINTS ALL THE TIME. I LIVE IN AN AREA RIGHT NOW WHERE I HAVE WITHIN ONE BLOCK FOUR VACATION RENTALS WITHIN THROWING DISTANCE. AND PERSONALLY, I SUPPORT THEM.

I THINK IT IS GREAT, YOU KNOW, BUT WHEN THERE ARE VIOLATIONS BEING MADE, NOBODY WANTS TO REPORT ON THEM.

AND THEY END UP. THAT GUY DOWN THE STREET GETS TO DO THAT. WHY DON'T I GET TO DO THAT AND STARTS THE FLOW. I HAVE TWO MORE MONTHS REST OF THIS AND I AM WHERE TO GIVE THEM IN JEREMIAH'S NUMBER AFTER THIS IF HE DOESN'T ALREADY HAVE IT ALREADY.

THOSE LOW NUMBERS -- I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO COME BACK AND SAY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS, WHY ARE WE SPENDING THIS MUCH MONEY. I AM TELLING YOU THOSE COMPLAINS ARE OUT THERE. THEY MAY NOT GET FORMALIZED TO YOU, MAYBE, PROBABLY, PAUSE OF THE FACT THEY HAVE TO IDENTIFY THEM THEMSELVES.

DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN ISSUE.

AND EVERYBODY OTHER THAN COMPASSION GAINES GUARANTEED THESE FOLKS AND MADE SURE THAT WE PROTECT THEM AS MUCH AS WE COULD THAT THE STATE WOULD ALLOW.

>> WE GAVE UP OUR GRANDFATHER STATUS.

WE GAVE IT UP WITH THE PROCESS. WITH A COMMITMENT TO THIS PROCESS AND OUR RESIDENTS. AND THE NEXT SCREEN -- WASN'T IT

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IT WOULD DOUBLE, COMMISSIONER. JUST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING -- IT

WOULD DOUBLE. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

THE NUMBERS WITHOUT THE LISTINGS -- COLDWELL BANKER AND TWO OTHER LITTLE WEB SITES. THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS NOT COMING ONES ON COLDWELL BANKER. COMPASSION PERONA, I FELT REQUIRED TO PUT IN THERE. I KNOW I RECEIVED MORE COMPLAINTS THAN WHAT IS OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTED.

WITH THE STATE STATUTE. MY HANDS ARE TIED.

I HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I THINK IT IS INCUMBENT UPON US TO EXPLAIN.

I LOVE YOUR GRAPHS AND YOUR QUICK WAY AROUND IT.

BUT EVEN IF YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF A HANDOUT OR SOMETHING ON MEDIA THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO SEND OUT AND SAY DO YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT WHAT YOU -- THESE ARE VIOLATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL. IF YOU SEE THEM, LET ME KNOW.

LET US KNOW. AND I THINK OF THEM -- THE QUESTION IS CAN THEY DO THIS? CAN THEY DO THIS? CAN THEY DO IT? THE MOST PART, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE EDUCATE THOSE NEIGHBORS, THOSE CITIZENS, THOSE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, ON WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE DONE.

AND THEN IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE, INVITE THEM TO MOVE TO THE

PROCESS OF CORRECTING THAT. >> ALSO NEEDS TO BE DONE TIMELY.

AN ISSUE, I SAW THIS ON SATURDAY.

AND IT IS MONDAY MORNING. AND I AM LIKE, THE CARS ARE GONE. I CAN SEND SOMEONE OUT THERE NOW AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

MY STAFF WORKS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

OUT THERE ON SATURDAYS AND SUNDAY AND NOT THAT WE CAN'T RESPOND. I RECEIVED THE COMPLAINT ON MONDAY MORNING, NOT GOING TO DO MUCH GOOD FOR WHAT HAPPENED ON

SATURDAY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I LIKE THE ANNUALIZED PROCESS.

WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE 301 ON THE PREVIOUS SCREEN ALREADY REGISTERED. PRORATE WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY SIGNED UP OR SIGN UP AT OCTOBER 1 AND KEEP THEM AT OCTOBER 1

FOREVERMORE. >> PROBABLY KEEP THEM OCTOBER 1, UNLESS YOU SAY YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I WANTED TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE SOME FOLKS MAY SAY, HEY, I SIGNED UP IN JUNE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN --

>> THEY WOULD HAVE PAID A HALF RATE.

ALL OF THESE OCTOBER 1. BUT ANYBODY NEW COMING IN WILL

GET THEIR NEW ANNIVERSARY DATE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS THE

EVERYBODY EWE. >> SEND THAT FIRST LETTER AND A CALL BACK. I JUST SOLD THAT.

ALWAYS SOMEBODY NEW COMING ON BOARD.

THAT. I WAS PERSONALLY SURPRISED OF THE TURNOVER OF THESE VACATION RENTALS BECAUSE IT IS INCOME PROPERTY AND I WASN'T -- I WASN'T EXPECTING THAT.

BUT WITH THIS REAL ESTATE MARKET, IT IS CHANGING.

WE ARE IN A FLUX AREA. BUT IN THE RECENT YEAR, TURNOVER HAPPENED A LOT. AND I WAS VERY -- I PERSONALLY

WAS SURPRISED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A LOT OF HAPPY

REALTORS. >> A LOT OF HAPPY REALTORS AND A LOT OF HAPPY PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE SOME BENEFIT TO IT.

>> WE HAD SOME THAT PAID THE FEE AND CALL ME TWO WEEKS LATER AND SAID PAID FOR THE UNIT. I AM LIKE WHY DID YOU PAY THE

FEE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM

MARE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ON THE REGISTRATION I EXPECTED THE FIRST-TIME REGISTRANT -- ENCUMBER STAFF TIME.

IT WILL BE COMPLICATED, NO DIFFERENT THAN A CONTRACTOR LICENSE, BTR. THEY DON'T KNOW THE STEPS -- I AM NOT SAYING I KNOW ALL THE STEPS, I WOULD MESS IT UP TOO, BUT COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON TAKED ABOUT IT.

TALKED ABOUT MAYBE AT SOME POINT THERE IS AN OPTION ONCE THEY ARE USED TO THE PROCESS AND BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.

A CHALLENGE FOR US BECAUSE MAY HAVE TO DOCUMENT IT MORE AND SOFT WARE THAT ALLOWS THAT. I WOULD ALMOST WANT TO HAVE A CONSIDERATION FOR MAYBE YEAR THREE, THE PROCESS IS DOWN TO A SCIENCE. IT IS VERY CLEAR.

IT IS CONCISE. MY APPLICATION IS HERE.

IT IS COMPLETE. MAYBE IT IS YEAR FIVE.

I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE THAT IS WHEN THE REDUCED RATE COMES INTO EFFECT. JUST FOR CONVERSATION.

I WANT TO HEAR MY FELLOW BOARD HERE -- BECAUSE IT IS SHE IS CUMBERSOME. NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

I REGISTER FOR MY CONTRACTOR LICENSE.

I ALREADY KNOW THE PROCESS. I CONTINUE TO DO THAT.

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>> IF TRUERLY TIME SAVED, I NEED 20 HEAR FROM THE STAFF.

I THINK WE NEED TO EEVALUATE EVALUATE THIS ALL THE TIME.

JUSTIFY TO THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE IS ALREADY IN THIS BALL FAME AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS JUST JUSTIFIED.

>> I THINK FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE DIDN'T, WAITING UNTIL YEAR TWO, THREE, FIVE, ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN FEASIBLY DO THIS.

LIKE PEGGY SAID, A LOT OF TURNOVER.

THESE UNITS GET SOLD ALL THE TIME.

WE TRACK UNITS BY ADDRESS, NOT NECESSARILY BY OWNER AND IF YOU WERE THINKING, WANT TO DO IT AT RENEWAL FEE.

THEN YOU -- I THINK YOU DO IT AT THE FIRST YEAR RENEWAL JUST TO BE FAIR. IF YOU WANT TO DO THE REDUCED FEE. AND FROM -- FROM OUR -- FROM MY OFFICE'S DIDN'T, THE WORKLOAD IS REDUCED AT RENEWAL.

I EXPECT SPEAK TO WHAT PEGGY HAS TO SAY.

>> YOURS STAYS THE SAME. >> YOURS STAY THE SAME.

FROM OUR OFFICE IT IS EASIER. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

NOT AS MANY -- NOT AS MUCH PAPERWORK TO GO THROUGH AND NOT AS MUCH TO FOLLOW UP ON. BUT I THINK IF WE DO A REDUCED FEE AT THE FIRST RENEWAL PERIOD OPPOSED TO THE THIRD AND FIFTH.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT -- AT LEAST WHAT HI THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE GET NOR

EXPERIENCE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NOT NECESSARILY US BUT THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES.

THEY WILL HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE. THEY KNOW WHAT THE PACKAGE INCLUDES AND THEY SUBMITTED A COMPLETE PACKAGE THAT IS TIDY, ORGANIZED AND HERE I AM. I AM DONE.

THE FIRST TIME. IT SHOULD BE CONCISE AND CLEAR

BUT NOT ALWAYS THAT WAY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT I AM SAYING EVEN OUR STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THAT MUCH EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF

THIS PROCESS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU

ARE RIGHT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: TO ME WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK WHAT I HEAR FROM AT LEAST TWO COMMISSIONERS AND I AGREE.

WHEN WE CAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT EVALUATION AND REDUCE THAT RENEWAL FEE. I THINK THAT IS FAIR IF IT IS

JUST I NEED. >>COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON: WHAT I HEAR WERE MISS COX. THE FIRST RENEWAL IS THE TIME TO MAKE THE CHANGE AT FIRST RENEWAL ONLY.

>> FROM AN ENFORCEMENT DIDN'T. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: STAYS

CONSISTENT. >> IF THERE IS AN INCENTIVE TO KEEP AN OWNER. THAT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME.

OBVIOUSLY IF I AM DEALING WITH A BUSINESS.

I AM DEALING WITH A BUSINESS OWNER I WORKED WITH FOR TWO, THREE YEARS, A LOT EASIER THAN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS ALL

OVER AGAIN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: AGAIN, YOU WANT

COMPLIANCE. >> IF THERE IS AN INCENTIVE FOR THAT OWNER NOT TO SELL AND KEEP THAT PROPERTY AS A RENTAL UNIT, NOW I HAVE ONE BUSINESS OWNER THAT I NOW WORK WITH.

EASIER FROM AN ENFORCEMENT DIDN'T.

>> MAKE SURE THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH RENEWAL.

IF THE RENEWAL FEE IS LESS THE SECOND TIME AROUND, LESS MORE APT TO RENEW THAN THE WHOLE THING OVER AGAIN.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ENCOURAGED WITH THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN THE REVENUE VERSUS EXPENDITURES.

REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT $1200 AT ONE POINT.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I AM ENCOURAGED THAT THE NUMBER IS LOOKING GOOD. I AM ENCOURAGED THAT WE ARE NOT GOING ABOVE AND -- YOU KNOW, WITH REVENUE AND WE ARE NOT LOSING A BUNCH ALSO AT THE SAME TIME.

WE ARE ACTUALLY COVERING THE EXPENSES.

THAT THE PROGRAM HAS. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU

WANT TO SAY? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ALWAYS.

I AM SITTING HERE LISTENING. LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T HERE, BUT I HAVE GONE BACK AND READ EVERYTHING I COULD READ AND EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DID. I LIKE THE IDEA OF AT RENEWAL, IF THERE COULD BE SOME TYPE OF REDUCED FEE AT RENEWAL, JUST BECAUSE THE INITIAL PAPERWORK IS ALWAYS -- IS ALWAYS THE HARDEST.

ONCE YOU HAVE IT DOWN, ONCE YOU HAVE IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE OWNERS -- THE OWNERS SHOULD SAY COPY WHAT I GOT.

MAKE SURE NO NEW DOCUMENTS NEEDED, UPDATED DOCUMENTS, HERE IT IS. ALSO I FEEL IT WOULD BE A WAY TO

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WE HAVE THIS PROGRAM. WE WILL WORK WITH YOU.

THIS IS MY CONCERN. SOMETHING THAT COMPASSION PERONA SAID AND SOMETHING THAT COMPASSION JOHNSON C. JOHNSON SAID. I GET THE E-MAILS.

I GET THE CALLS. I AM NOT GOING TO SAY THERE WERE 31 COMPLAINTS. I KNOW -- I UNDERSTAND THE STATUTE AND I UNDERSTAND IT. BUT I AM FRYING TO FIGURE OUT.

AND SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER -- I THINK IT WAS JEREMIAH OR COMPASSION PERONA SAID. WE HAVE GOT 301.

RIGHT, REGISTRATIONS AND WE KNOW THERE ARE 301 OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT REGISTER WHAT WE NEED TO DO. MY QUESTION IS THIS.

WHERE IS THE DISCONNECT? WHAT CAN I DO AS A COMMISSIONER.

AND WHAT CAN WE DO AS A -- TO -- TO MAKE THAT # 01 THAT WE KNOW IS OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROGRAM.

WHAT ARE WE MISSING? ARE THEY JUST TO SKIRT THE $600? IF THAT IS THE CASE IF THEY ARE TRYING TO SKIRT THE $600, IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN LET'S BRING THEM IN AND TALK TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.

NOT ONLY TRYING TO PROTECT YOU BUT EVERYBODY WORK WITH YOU, WHAT WHATEVER.

SOME OTHER PROBLEMS AND HAVE PEOPLE OUT THERE.

MAY GET MAD AT ME OR THINK THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY IT BECAUSE BEFORE ALL OF THIS WENT IN, THEY -- I HATE TO USE THE WORD "GRANDFATHERED IN" BUT THEY WERE EXEMPT OR WHATEVER.

HAVE WE SAID, NO, WHY NOT. I AM TRYING TO SEE THE DISCONNECT I WANT ANYBODY TO COME -- EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO OPEN UP THE BUSINESS AND DO A RENTAL PROPERTY IF THEY FOLLOW THE RULES. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE FAIR TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO WANT TO INVEST AND BUY PROPERTY, MAKE IT A RENTAL PROPERTY. COMPARE IT TO OUR RESIDENTS WHO ARE THERE TO LIVE PEACEFULLY ON THEIR PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I UNDERSTAND -- I READ EVERYTHING.

I UNDERSTAND. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE DISCONNECT. SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID, COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE SAT DOWN AND TALKED TO THE REST DENTS OUT THERE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE GOING ON.

LET ME HEAR THE COMPLAINTS WITHOUT ANY REPERCUSSIONS AND SEE IF WE CAN FIX IT. WHAT I AM HEARING THIS MORNING IS WE THINK WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

WE ARE WILLING -- I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN ANY OF MY COMEDIES OR EVEN THE MAYOR'S MOUTH, WE ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT REDUCTIONS AT RENEWALS FOR -- THAT'S WHAT I AM HEARING -- YOU TELL ME IF I AM NOT HEARING -- FOR RENEWALS TO KEEP COMING BACK IN THE PROGRAM, BUT I AM HEARING THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE STILL NOT WANTING TO JUMP IN AND I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY AND WHAT CAN WE DO SO IN 29 DAYS COMMISSIONER PERONA WON'T HAVE TO GIVE JEREMIAH THE NUMBER OUT THERE TO CALL JEREMIAH WITH THE CALLS THEY ARE GETTING. I DON'T MIND GETTING THE CALLS.

I DON'T MIND GETTING THE E-MAILS, I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW CAN I FIX A PROBLEM THAT WE KNOW IS THERE WERE AND IF IT CAN BE FIXED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE ANSWER OR NOT. I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING TO COME TOGETHER AND TRY TO FIX IT BECAUSE I AGREE THAT ONCE YOU DO -- FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROGRAM, LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T HERE, BUT I DID GO BACK AND READ EVERYTHING THAT YOU DID. ONCE THAT INITIAL PAPERWORK GOES IN, THAT IS THE CRUCIAL THING. IDENTIFY SAFETY, THIS.

I GOT ALL THAT. RENEWAL IS JUST -- IT IS THE SAME ADDRESS. SO EVEN IF IT IS A DIFFERENT OWNER, ALL WE ARE DOING IS CHANGING THE OWNER BUT ANYTHING ELSE UNLESS THEY MADE IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER, NOTHING IS REALLY CHANGING BECAUSE ADDRESSES.

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THERE ARE SOME ISSUES OUT HERE. HOW CAN WE FIX THEM.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF RENEWING, LOWERING THE FEE.

HOW CAN WE FIX THEM. >> COMMISSIONERS, A NUMBER OF THINGS YOU BROUGHT UP. THE FIRST ONE IS HANDFUL OF INDIVIDUALS WHO DEFIANTLY SAYING IT DOESN'T APPLY WITH ME.

I AM GETTING READY TO WORK WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE BECAUSE A NEW PROCESS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE CORRECTLY. THERE IS THAT HANDFUL.

A GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO JUST THINK THEY WILL BE SLY AND SLICK.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GET -- NOT JUST A CITY LICENSE OR -- YOU HAVE TO GET THE COUNTY. YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR TOUR I678 TAX, YOUR SALES TAX, YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR STATE LICENSE.

THERE ARE STEPS AND STEPS WHO ARE LIKE.

IF YOU DO THIS WITHOUT IDENTIFYING MYSELF I WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO ANY OF THESE STEPS. PUT THE SLIDE UP.

GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT IS ALLOSE EASIER.

SOMETHING ELSE THAT REALLY ISN'T TALKED ABOUT, THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE A PENALTY FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.

WE HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO TRIES TO DO THIS.

WE IDENTIFY WHO THEY ARE. WE SEND OUT A LETTER.

THEY CONTACT ME, LINDA OR WHOEVER.

AND WE SAY, LOOK, JUST REGISTER. REGISTER.

NO LATE FEE. NO PENALTY.

NO ANY -- YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT STOPPING THEM BY SAYING IF YOU DO GET CAUGHT WE WILL CHARGE YOU AN EXTRA PENALTY.

THIS DOESN'T EXIST. WE DO THIS WORK AND IDENTIFY THEM. BECAUSE WE HAVE STAFFING ISSUE.

I PERSONALLY DID THIS. AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO MANY, MANY PEOPLE. SO THERE IS THAT GROUP THAT THINKS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET AWAY WITH IT.

TURNS OUT THAT THEY ARE NOT. PLEASE KNOW WE ARE NOT PENALIZING YOU BECAUSE YOU GOT CAUGHT.

JUST DO THE PAPERWORK WHICH IS THE LEGAL PROCESS OF DOING IT.

SHOULD WE EVERY SIX MONTHS DO ANOTHER ADD CAMPAIGN? MAYBE WE SHOULD. MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT MR. MIMMS AND OUR MARKETING DEPARTMENT CAN WORK ON.

GETTING A NEW AD OUT THERE EVERY SIX MONTHS, REMINDING PEOPLE

WHAT THE PROCESS IS. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM JUST CURIOUS. LAST QUESTION.

WE KNOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STATE PERMIT, LICENSURE, WHATEVER, RIGHT. WHAT IS THE STATE DOING? WHAT IS THE STATE DOING FOR -- FOR THE ONES YOU ARE SAYING THAT ARE -- THAT ARE TRYING TO SLIDE UNDER.

WHAT IS THE STATE DOING? >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND I CAN LOOK INTO THAT. I USED TO HAVE -- DIRECT COMMUNICATION WITH THE WOMAN WHO WORKED FOR THE STATE.

I THINK SHE RETIRED. AND I HAVE THE NAME AND NUMBER OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS NOW DOING IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE -- I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THEM IN A LONG TIME SINCE THEY TOOK OVER THE

JOB. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT GOOD TO

KNOW. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THE ONLY REASON I AM ASKING WHAT THE STATE IS DOING, WE AS A CITY, YOU KNOW -- IF WE MIRROR THE STATE.

>> I CAN CHECK INTO THAT. I WILL REACH OUT TO THE STATE, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS AND CHECK OUT AND

FIND OUT. >> JUST A CLARIFICATION, NOT EVERONE NEEDS A STATE LICENSE. IF YOU WERE RENTING FOR GREATER THAN 30 DAYS, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A STATE LICENSE.

WE HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS VERSUS VACATION RENTALS.

WE TRY TO MANGE THAT DISTINCTION.

OUR DISTINCTION ANYONE WENTING LESS THAN SIX MONTHS TO BE REGISTERED AS A SHORT TERM OR VACATION RENTAL.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT BE A DETERRENT.

OUR PROCESS REQUIRES EVERY SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTAL TO HAVE A ST. LUCIE COUNTY T TOURISM TAX ACCOUNT.

A LOT OF THE RENTAL PROPERTIES -- THEY WILL GET THAT TOURIST ACCOUNT AND NEVER REMIT THE TAXES.

BEYOND WHAT WE ARE DOING, ST. LUCIE COUNTY I THINK -- THEY HAVE BOUGHT THEIR OWN SOFTWARE AND LOOKING AT THE TOURIST TAX ACCOUNT THAT HAD TO OPEN BECAUSE THEY HAD TO REGISTER FOR US AND WE REQUIRED IT, BUT THEY WERE NEVER REMITTING THEIR TAXES.

NOW THEY ARE GOING BACK TO THOSE BUSINESSES AND SAYING, HEY, YOU REGISTERED. YOU HAVE A SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTAL, WHY AREN'T YOU REMITTING YOUR BED TAX.

THAT IS OUT THERE AND I WOULD SAY THAT IS PROBABLY PART OF THE REASON WHY FOLKS ARE, AGAIN, TRYING TO AVOID IT OR UNHAPPY WITH OUR FEE. THE FEE THAT I HEAR THE MOST COMPLAINTS ABOUT, THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A BUSINESS.

THIS IS THEIR BUSINESS. JUST LIKE ALL OF US THAT HAVE A BUSINESS, YOU NEED TO DO ALL OF THE STEPS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PART OF THAT HIS AND THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS

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HAPPENING. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK YOU, MISS COX. I WILL LAY DOWN THE LAW BECAUSE I USUALLY GET IN TROUBLE WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY.

[LAUGHTER] I AM JUST -- I AM JUST CURIOUS.

DID WE EVER SIT DOWN WITH THE -- WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS FROM THE COUNTY THAT ONCE WE REQUESTED THIS, THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALREADY ON BOARD TO SAY, HEY, LET'S DO IT NOW INSTEAD OF GOING BACK. IT IS ALMOST LIKE -- YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND, WE ARE TELLING OUR RESIDENTS, BY THE WAY HERE WE GO AGAIN NOW. THE COUNTY -- SO I AM KIND OF UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE E-MAILS AND SOME COUNTY COMPLAINTS I AM GETTING BECAUSE IF I WAS A BUSINESS OWNER AND I AM LIKE -- I AM DOING EVERYTHING YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME TO DO.

I AM TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING. BUT NOW HERE I AM GETTING HIT SOMETHING ELSE THAT I DID EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS TOLD ME TO DO. AND NOW THE COUNTY IS SENDING ME LETTERS AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS SENDING ME LETTERS.

WHEN IS IT GOING TO STOP AND WHAT IS THE REAL PROCESS.

I KIND OF UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE FRUSTRATIONS.

>> THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE TO HAVE A TOURIST TAX ACCOUNT NUMBER.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WELL -- OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES, THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS NEW ISSUE.

EVERY COMMUNITY IS DEALING WITH IT IN ITS OWN WAY.

THE STATE -- KIND OF EVOLVING, I THINK.

A WHOLE NEW CONCEPT. AND ALSO ABOUT THE TURNOVER.

I AM TOLD BY REALTORS AND PEOPLE WHO SHOULD KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT IT MAKES YOUR PROPERTY MORE VALUABLE INITIALLY IF YOU HAVE -- IF YOU -- IF YOU ARE RENT IT FOR SHORT TERM.

THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY THE TURNOVER, I THINK, IS HAPPENING.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, LIKE I SAID DOING MY RESEARCH AND UNDERSTAND -- TRY TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE STATE AND SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON IN OTHER CITIES.

SO WE CAN TRY TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE.

THAT IS WHY I ASKED -- THAT IS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION WHAT IS

THE STATE DOING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A GOOD QUESTION.

CONVENTIONAL WES COME TO IS THE STATE CAN'T DO AS GOOD A JOB MONITORING THE WHOLE STATE. WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT -- BUT I DON'T KNOW, YEAH. ALL RIGHTY.

ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, SO I AM CLEAR WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ASKED.

ANNIVERSARY OF RENEWAL, I THINK, IS PRETTY CLEAR.

I THINK WE NEED MAYBE SOME MORE -- I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE DATA AND FEEDBACK AS TO KIND OF -- TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, THE NUMBER OF OWNERS THAT HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES.

I WANT TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THAT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT IMPACT TO LOOK AT THIS WHOLE RENEWAL OPPORTUNITY TO LOWER FEE. WHAT I JUST HEARD, ALSO, I THINK COMES INTO LINE, BECAUSE THERE IS -- IT BEGINS A STACKING EFFECT AT SOME. WITH ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS OF LICENSES HERE. LICENSES THERE.

LICENSES THERE. WHERE DO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE STAND OUT IN THE WHOLE ALGORITHM.

I KNOW COSTS WE NEED TO MEET, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ALIGNMENT IS NOT BEYOND WHAT OTHER REQUIREMENTS ARE.

EVEN THOUGH THE COUNTY IS BIGGER THAN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THE STATE IS BIGGER THAN CITY OF FORT PIERCE, I GET THAT.

BUT A PROPORTIONALITY THAT OUR FEE STRUCTURE IS NOT OUT OF PROPORTION WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

WHEN WE LOOK AT IT. IF IT IS, I WANT THAT CONVERSATION TO UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK I UNDERSTAND -- I JUST LEARNED OF THE COUNTY AND THE BED TAX.

IF THAT IS REQUIRED, THAT WILL HELP US IDENTIFY SOME OF OUR OTHER INSTITUTIONS THAT DOESN'T HELP US -- DOESN'T HELP TO

IDENTIFY -- >> CAN'T DISCLOSE TO US WHO HAS A TOURIST TAX ACCOUNT. THERE IS A SPECIFIC STATE STATUTE THAT PROTECTS THAT INFORMATION.

I CAN'T GO TO THE COUNTY AND SAY DOES CURTIS JOHNSON JR. HAVE A TOURIST TAX ACCOUNT WHERE HE IS REMITTING MONEY.

I CAN'T DO THAT. THEY CAN'T TELL US.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT OUR LIST ON A REGULAR BASIS TO TRY TO CROSS REFERENCE IT. BUT THE INFORMATION, THE TOURIST TAX INFORMATION, IS SPECIFICALLY EXEMPTED BY STATUTE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: INTERESTING.

>> VERY FRUSTRATING. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: OKAY, OKAY. SO I THINK -- BASED ON THAT THEN, I STILL THINK WE CAN HAVE THAT -- HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

BECAUSE AS WE LOOK TO THAT RENEWAL PERIOD AND IF WE LOOK TO THOSE THAT ARE GOOD STEWARDS AND WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT GOING FORWARD FOR CONTINUITY. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WILL LOOK AT THAT. SOUNDS LIKE WE PROBABLY WILL, MADAM MAYOR, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND I NEED A LITTLE

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MORE DATA. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM NOT READY TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY ABOUT, ABOUT YOU I WOULD LIKE MORE

INFORMATION. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM MAYOR, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO APPLY FOR THIS LICENSE ALSO. BE ABLE TO HEAR FROM THEM HOW IT AFFECTS THEIR BUSINESS. WHAT WORKS.

WHAT DOESN'T WORK. A LOT OF TIMES WE GET -- WE BUILD THIS WHOLE ORDINANCE ON WHAT EXACTLY THEY SAID TO DO OR NOT TO DO. NOT TO THE AMOUNT.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF THEM AGREED THAT $600 WAS A GREAT IDEA.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: $1200. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: 1200 FROM OUR TASK FORCE THAT WAS OUT THERE.

WE HAVE TO HEAR FROM THEM AND TAKE THAT INFORMATION AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT. THE ONE THING I WILL SAY IS IT IS INTERESTING LIVING IN A -- IN AN AREA ON SOUTH BEACH FOR 16 YEARS, RECENTLY BECAUSE OF ALL THE INCREASE IN PRICES AND WATCHING A HOME THAT WAS A HOME TO FOLKS THAT WE HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. AND THEY SOLD IT FOR X.

A MOMENT LATER GOT SOLD FOR AN X PLUS $150,000.

A MONTH AFTER THAT, COULD GOT COLD FOR X PLUS $400,000 AND THEN CRAZY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN TURNS INTO A VACATION RENTAL.

AND OFF THE TAX ROLLS AS A HOMESTEADED PROPERTY.

AND I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THOSE PEOPLE ARE PAYING DOUBLE THE TAX WHICH SOME OF THAT FILTERS TO THE GOVERNMENT AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION TOO.

WHEN YOU ARE TOO IG TO OFFSET SOME OF THE EXPENSES.

KNOW IT IS MORE CONTRIBUTION. MORE IMPACT TO PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE FLOATING AROUND IN MY HEAD AND THIS DYNAMIC, SINCE THE DAY WE STARTED HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT, BECAUSE THE FINAL THING ARE WE TOLD THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS THAT WE WILL PROTECT THEM THE BEST WAY WE CAN IN LIGHT OF WHAT THE STATE HAS MANDATED TO US I THINK WE ARE

DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB ON THAT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, A COUPLE OF THINGS. ON THE TOURISM SIDE.

WE REQUIRE THAT UP FRONT, RIGHT. A REGISTRATION IS COMPLETE.

>> IF IT IS REQUIRED AND THE TOURIST TAX ACCOUNT FOR

EVERYONE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I

WANTED TO MAKE SURE. >> WE REQUIRE THEIR SALES TAX ACCOUNT, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. THEY HAVE TO COLLECT SALES TAX.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MAKES SENSE.

AS A MEMBER OF THE TDC, I CAN TELL YOU A VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS AND LOOKING AT THEIR BUDGET AND TALKING TO MI MISS BYERLY. AND LOOKING, OF COURSE, HOW LITTLE MONEY NORTH OF MIDWAY ROAD.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: EXACTLY. ALWAYS A SORE POINT.

HOW MUCH MONEY NORTH OF MIDWAY ROAD.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: 60% OF THE BUDGET REVENUE AND WE GET ONE-THIRD OF THE FIFTH CENT. SORRY, OFF MY BOX FOR A SECOND.

THE LAST PART IS, WHEN WE EVALUATE THE MULTIPLE REGISTRATIONS BY ONE OWNER. I AM OKAY WITH EVALUATING IT.

I AM NOT SURE I AM IN AGREEANCE WITH, IF YOU OWN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES THAT YOU GET A DISCOUNTED RATE.

IF I AM THE SPECIALTY ENGINEER, CONTRACTOR, I WILL USE THAT WORLD FOR A MINUTE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I LIVE.

I AM AN EXPERT FOR SHINGLE ROOFS.

I DON'T GET A BLANKET PERMIT THAT SAYS THAT JEREMIAH IS THE EXPERT OF SHINGLE ROOFS. SO YOU GET A $5,000, YOU KNOW, BLANKET, PERMIT FOR ALL OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE EXPERT. I HAVE TO DO A PER ADDRESS, PER APPLICATION. I PAID THE SAME FEE EVERY TIME BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE CITY PROCESS.

OR JUST THE BUILDING PROCESS. SO I AM GLAD TO EVALUATE IT.

I AM JUST NOT SURE I WILL BE WILLING TO SAY BECAUSE YOU OWN TEN PROPERTIES, YOU GET A DISCOUNTED RATE.

THAT TYPE OF THING. THAT IS WHERE I AM WITH THAT.

YOU CAN APPLY TO THAT ANY INDUSTRY LIKE I JUST GAVE IN AN EXAMPLE. SO.

THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING -- NO, THAT WAS IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE WILL LOOK AT THE RENEWAL.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YEAH, THE RENEWAL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: IF THERE IS JUST FACE FOR THAT.

I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN THAT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHT? YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED?

>> I BELIEVE SO, THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHT, OKAY.

>> SO WE WILL COME BACK WITH THE CLARIFICATION AND THEN BECAUSE -- THE CHANGING TO ANNIVERSARY BUILDING WILL BE DONE BY ORDINANCE. DO YOU -- IF YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT CHANGE, I DON'T THINK ANYTHING ELSE WE ARE LOOKING AT WILL BE REQUIRED TO BE DONE BY ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE FEES WERE ALL ADOPTEDRIA RESOLUTION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE CAN PROCEED WITH THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. THE OTHER THINGS WE NEED MORE

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DATA ON. >> THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: IS THAT RIGHT? >> NEXT WE HAVE THE OVERVIEW OF

[c. Overview of Impact Fee Moratorium]

THE IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS IS

GOING TO COME BEFORE US. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND SIT DOWN HERE. ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM.

ALL RIGHT, AS YOU KNOW, WE DO -- WE HAD AN IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE FPRA, WHICH IS OUR INFILL AREA THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM THAT THESE INFILL LOCATIONS ARE WITHIN OUR URBAN CORE. THERE HAS BEEN LIMITED NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND THIS WAS STARTED TO SPUR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY. NEW CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY TO STIR UP THEIR CONSTRUCTION COULD AND FOR THE BUSINESSES TO GO TO THE FPRA. STARTED IN MARCH OF 2020.

WE ARE NO YOU IN CONTRACEPTIVE OF 2022, AND THIS IS A GRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION OF WE HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING OVER OF THE LAST SIX MONTHS. MARCH '22 THROUGH SEPTEMBER '22.

AS YOU CAN SEE MUCH MORE ACTIVITY OUTSIDE OF THE FPRA THAN INSIDE. ANOTHER GEOGRAPHICAL REPRESENTATION WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS.

WITHIN THE FPRA, WE HAVE 11 NEW CONSTRUCTION BUILDING PERMITS.

OF WHICH, FIVE OF THEM WERE EXEMPT DUE TO PREVIOUS STRUCTURES BEING ON THE PROPERTY WHICH DOES NOT NECESSITATE OR REQUIRE IMPACT FEES. SO OF THE.

OF THOSE A TOTAL OF 4% NEW CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY MRP WITHIN THE FPRA. OUTSIDE THE FPRA KIDS FOR 96 PERCENT OF OUR ACTIVITY. WITHIN THE INFILL AREA, WE DON'T HAVE NEW CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY. NOW TAKE A LOOK AT THIS.

THIS IS FROM OUR PREVIOUS PERIOD.

THIS IS FROM MARCH '22 THROUGH OCTOBER OCTOBER '21.

A SIMILAR PERCENTAGE. NOTHING CHANGED.

4% WITHIN THE FPRA AND 96% YOUTH SIDE THE FPRR.

AS YOU SEE THIS IS NOT HELPING OR HURTING OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO EXTEND THE IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM IN AN EFFORT OF 24 MONTHS AND EMPHASIZE OUR STRONG DESIRE FOR INFILL DEVELOPMENT THROUGH AN ORDINANCE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THAT IS -- THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION. I THINK IT -- I THINK IT IS ANOTHER VALUABLE TOOL IN OUR TOOL KIT.

NOT HELPING OR HURTING. SO THIS IS -- THIS IS FOR YOUR

DISCUSSION TODAY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MAKING A DIFFERENCE EITHER WAY. COMMISSIONER C. JON.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I AM GOING TO COMMENT ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE -- I THANK YOU FOR THIS, MR. MIMMS IN STATING THE DATA AND THE FACTS. HOW DO WE MAKE IMPACT.

THIS IS AN AREA THAT WE NEED TO HAVE INFILL AND GROWTH IN OUR CITY. I AM GLAD WE ARE HAVING THIS SOFSHGS, BUT HOW -- I THINK WE ARE MISSING A PIECE OF THIS PUZZLE HERE TALKING TO PEOPLE. WHERE ARE WE IN TALKING WITH THE COUNTY AND COMING ALONG WITH THAT.

MUCH OF THIS AREA THAT IS WITHIN THE FPRA WAS MUCH INHABITED AND LIVED UPON. INFRASTRUCTURE WAS THERE FOR THE MOST PART. WE HAD STRUCTURES THERE.

OBVIOUSLY SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN, ETC. BUT THE MAIN PART IS NOT THERE. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS GO, WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR COUNTY TO COME ALONG TO ASSIST WITH THEIR IMPACT PART OF THIS.

AND I WILL JUST SAY IT. I WAS -- I WAS OPTIMISTIC UP UNTIL RECENTLY IN WHAT I READ IN THE NEWSPAPER OF MAYBE PENDING TRANSITION IN THAT COUNTY APARTMENT, BUT FURTHERMORE, IT FURTHER FUELS ME TO HAVE THAT CHALLENGE IN CONVERSATION WITH MY COUNTERPARTS ON THE COUNTY LEVEL BECAUSE THIS IS PART OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE COUNTY OF ST. LUCIE, THAT WE NEED TO SEE GROW WITH HOMEOWNERSHIP, BUSINESS OWNERSHIP, ETC., SO THAT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY CAN BE REALIZED. AND SO, I GUESS, MR. MIMMS, I

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WITH THE COUNTY. AGAIN.

AND ON RECORD. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IT HAS HAPPENED OVER AND OVER AND THE COUNTY NEVER BUDGED THAT MUCH FROM

THEIR IMPACT FEES. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: THAT IS CORRECT, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

I CHECKED WITH THEM AND LET THEM AWARE, WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY TYPE OF NOTICE THEY WILL RECIPROCATE THIS TYPE OF EFFORT.

WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING COMING UP THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AT A JOINT MEETING IN OCTOBER AND WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THIS TYPE OF

PARTNERSHIP FOR THIS MORATORIUM. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL BRING IT UP IN OCTOBER. I WILL BE ON THAT SOAPBOX.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. YOU AND THEN COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I KNOW -- I THINK IN THE LAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, THAT THE COUNTY HAS RE-EVALUATED THEIR IMPACT FEES AND INCREASED THEM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I THOUGHT I HEARD THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: PART OF THEM.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: SOME HAVE INCREASED.

SOME HAVE DECREASED. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THEY DID TRUE EVALUATION. EITHER WAY, IT STILL COSTS.

IF YOU LOOK WHAT IT TAKES TO BUILD, FOR INSTANCE, A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN TWO YEARS AGO.

MORE EXPENSIVE. SO THAT TELLS ME A LOT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE IMPACT FEE WORLD.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT

IS REAL-LIFE LIVING IN NUMBERS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE LEGISLATURE TRIES TO GO GET INTO THAT TOO WITH UNJUSTIFIED IMPACT FEES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WHY THEY DO THE EVALUATION.

YOU KNOW. WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO THE SAME THING AT SOME POINT -- DO YOU HAVE GOOD NEWS FOR THAT.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: ABSOLUTELY, I.

MR. FREEMAN, OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING, IS LEADING THIS CHARGE. WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR EXISTING IMPACT FEES. WE WILL USE THE SAME CONSULTANT WHAT HELPED THE COUNTY. CALL IT MENESH -- THEY HAVE A NEW NAME AND CHANGE IT RECENTLY. WE ARE REEVALUATING OUR EXISTING IMPACT FEE FEES AND LOOKING TO CREATE A LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE FEE. WITH OUR MORATORIUM, I WILL EXTEND AND SAY THIS. THE CORE OF OUR CITY DOES HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUSTAIN RESIDENCE AND BUSINESSES.

THE OUTSKIRTS OF OUR CITY THAT WE NEED THAT INFRASTRUCTURE GROWTH. THAT NEEDS TO BE THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT AREA. MAYOR ROADS.

WE HAVE COUNTY ROADS, JENKINS, HARTMAN, KING.

IN THE OUTSKIRTS OF OUR CITY, THEY ARE EXPERIENCING EXPLOSIVE GROWTH. WE NEED TO COMPARE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE TO FACILITATE THAT GROWTH.

THE CORE OF THE CITY, WE HAVE BEEN THERE.

WE HAVE SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE AND ROADS.

THAT IS WHY THE IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM DOES NOT NEGATIVELY EFFECT THE CORE OF OUR CITY. WE CONTINUE TO SPUR THIS GROWTH AND WITH THE PARTNERSHIP OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL IMPACT THE DESIRE OR WILLINGNESS FOR DEVELOPERS TO

COME INTO THE CORE OF THE CITY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: AND SOME OF THE ARGUMENT. TO PLAY THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE FOR HALF A SECOND. I AM NOT SAYING FOR OR AGAINST, BUT WHEN WE HAVE NEW BUSINESS LIKE A CHICK-FIL-A AND A

STARBUCKS OR AN ALDI. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A WA-WA.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: OR A WA-WA OR CHIPOTLE, THE CORRIDOR THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

A PORTION OF THE POPULATION, MYSELF INCLUDED, THAT TRAVELS TO THOSE LOCATIONS FOR THEIR SERVICES.

SO THERE IS AN ARGUMENT FOR IMPACT FEES THAT SAYS, WELL, JEREMIAH, YOU CREATED AN IMPACT BECAUSE YOU DROVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPED PART OF THE IS IT I TO GET TO THE WESTERN CORRIDOR.

SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU COLLECT THOSE IMPACT FEES TO HELP IMPROVE, DEVELOP, REDEVELOP AND EXPAND YOUR CAPACITIES TO GET BACK TO THAT BRAND-NEW BUSINESS. SO THAT IS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT.

YOU ARE CREATING AN IMPACT BY BUILDING IN NEW HOME TO GET TO THE WESTERN CORRIDOR WHICH YOU ARE RIGHT IS GROWING BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS. I AM NOT SAYING I AM FOR THAT ARGUMENT. I AM SAYING THAT IS THE ARGUMENT BECAUSE I SAT AT THE TABLE MANY, MANY TIMES AND TOO MANY TIMES

ARGUING FOR AND AGAINST. >> I WANT TO COUNTER THAT ARGUMENT QUITE FRANKLY BECAUSE YOU ARE DRIVING PAST A BLIGHTED AREA THAT IS NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE TAX BASE OF THIS ECONOMY BECAUSE THOSE -- THOSE LANDS ARE JUST SITTING THERE VACANT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ABSOLUTELY.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE JUST RECENTLY MET WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME.

AND WE REALIZED THAT WE ARE -- WE HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN

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>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NOT AN ARGUMENT.

WHEN WE GET TO THE -- TO BE WELL REVERSED.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL BE WELL-VERSED ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS HOW I SEE IT AND THE BURDEN RIGHT NOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE BARREN LANDS THAT ARE NOT GILDED IN OPPORTUNITY FOR EITHER ADDRESSING A HOME SITUATION OR TAX OF WHAT WE PROVIDE FOR OUR CITIZENS. SO THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ENLIGHTENING. MR. GAINES, DO YOU WANT TO SAY

SOMETHING? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: OH, YEAH. THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR THE COMMENTS. MR. MIMMS, I AM JUST TRYING TO

FIGURE OUT. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WHAT CAN WE DO EAR THAN TALKING TO THE COUNTY -- I AM READY FOR THAT MEETING TOO.

TRUST ME. YOU WON'T BE BY YOURSELF.

YOU CAN PUT ME IN LEAD IF YOU WANT ME TO.

I DON'T REALLY CARE. I HAVE SEEN 4% FOR TWO YEARS IN

A ROW. >> YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT -- THAT WE CAN MAKE A FOUR TO EIGHT, MAKE THAT EIGHT TO TEN PERCENT.

BECAUSE DOUBLING THAT 4% IN THE AREA WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WILL MAKE SUCH A DIFFERENCE. SUCH A DIFFERENCE.

PRIME EXAMPLE IS THIS. THAT 7-ELEVEN SHAH OPENED UP --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ON 25TH. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MAYOR KNOWS, 25TH AND ORANGE. IT WAS VACANT -- USED TO BE A WALGREEN'S. USED TO BE VACANT.

THE GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET DOING BUSINESS.

AND I KNOW EVERYBODY SHOOK THEIR HEADS WHEN THAT OWNER CAME IN AND PUT ALL THAT MONEY INTO THAT LOCATION.

BUT THERE IS NOT ONE TTIME YOU CAN DRIVE BY NOW -- YOU KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH -- THAT THAT LOCATION IS NOT BUSY.

SO THE EXCUSE THAT IT CAN'T BE DONE OR THEY DON'T WANT TO COME.

THAT -- SO THE WA-WAS AND EVERYBODY ELSES, THEY NEED TO COME IN IF WE NEED TO GO OUT AND ADVERTISE OR WHATEVER, JUST A DOUBLE OF OUR 4% WOULD MAKE A TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT IN THAT AREA AND OPEN UP TO WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS SAYING AND BOTH JOHNSONS ARE SAYING. YOUR DRIVE TO WA-WA MIGHT SPUR A STOP AND A CONVERSATION IN AN AREA WHERE YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE I CAN PUT SOMETHING HERE AND MY DRIVE TO WA-WA WOULDN'T BE THAT FAR AND I CAN STOP RIGHT HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS IT.

MAYBE I NEED TO GO OUT AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID THE MEET WITH THE HOUSING. THEY HAVE DEVELOPERS WITH AREAS LIKE THAT, DO WE NEED TO GO OUT AND SEEK DEVELOPERS.

NOT SEEK DEVELOPERS. LET ME TAKE THAT BACK MADAM ATTORNEY. TALK TO DEVELOPERS.

TALK TO DEVELOPERS SO WE CAN INC INCREASE. AND I LIVE IN THE AREA.

I REPRESENT THAT AREA. AND JUST DOUBLING THAT 4%.

THAT CAN BE THREE OR FOUR NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.

THAT IS MAJOR IN THAT AREA AND THIS CAN SPUR WHAT BOTH OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING THE GROWTH, THE BLIGHT, EVERYTHING THAT IS BRINGING EVERYBODY INTO ALL OF FORT PIERCE.

WHAT I AM HEARING IS THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. I AM PRETTY SURE I AM HEARING IT. FORT PIERCE IS GROWING.

OUT WEST IS GROWING. EVERYTHING IS GROWING AND WE ARE LEAVING BEHIND THE LITTLE BIT OF AREA.

THE I CAN'T -- PARTS OF DISTRICT ONE.

WE ARE LEAVING IT. WE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

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WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT MUSEUM -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT -- MUSEUMS THERE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN IN THE MIDDLE. AND WHAT ELSE -- MY SIMPLE QUESTION IS WHAT CAN WE DO. WHAT CAN YOU DO, WHAT CAN I DO, WHAT YOU CAN TO DO GET THAT 4% OFF.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: BEFORE YOU ANSWER, IF I COULD, I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT THE FPRA.

I THINK EVERY ONE OF US LIVE IN THE FPRA.

EVERY FIVE OF US LIVE IN T THE FRA, THE ZONE.

>> EXCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SORRY, YOU ARE RETIRING.

[LAUGHTER] IT IS VERY CLOSE.

YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE FPRA. THANK YOU FOR VISITING.

APPRECIATE YOU. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU ARE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER.

WE HAVE SO MANY PROGRAMS AND PROCESSES IN PLACE NOW.

WE ARE JUST ON THE BRINK OF -- OF SOMETHING PHENOMENAL IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE ARE THERE.

I AM LOOKING AT THIS STREET. ORANGE AVENUE -- NICK, YOUR STAFF ENGINEER. WHAT YEAR WAS THAT?

>> IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, BETWEEN 2002.

MY PROJECT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I WAS INVOLVED IN THE UTILITY SIDE. YEARS AGO.

20 YEARS. WHAT A DIFFERENCE IT HAS MADE.

WHAT A DIFFERENCE IT HAS MADE. HERE WE ARE TRYING TO BUMP THE NUMBERS, RIGHT. TRYING TO BUMP THE NUMBERS IN A LIMITED -- SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME. NOT 20-YEAR SPAN BUT ONE OR TWO-YEAR SPAN. I AM WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER.

ABSOLUTELY WITH YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT TO REMIND THAT WE ARE ALL PART OF IT FOR SURE.

AND -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: FOUR DIFFERENT AREAS MAKE UP THE FPRA. MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YOU HAD A LONG QUESTION, COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: HOW CAN

WE DOUBLE THAT. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT BETTER. KEEP IN MIND THAT THE FPRA IS A LARGE AREA, LINCOLN PARK DISTRICT, DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, THE SOUTH BEACH DISTRICT AND THE PORT DISTRICT.

WHEN WE SPEAK OF THE LACK OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT IS IN ALL OF THESE AREAS. NOW I HAVE SEEN SEVERAL PLANS, SEVERAL IDEAS, BUT AS YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS TAKE TIME.

WHAT WE CAN DO IS CONTINUE TO BE AGGRESSIVE WITH THE MARKETING AND THE PROMOTION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES FOR THIS AREA. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PUSHED WAS THE INFILL REDEVELOPMENT LIEN.

WE THOUGH THIS WOULD BE A WINNER.

THIS ONE WILL DO IT. ZERO APPLICATIONS.

A PRESS RELEASE. WE PUT IT ONLINE.

PUT IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA. THERE IS A HIS TEN SEE RIGHT NOW TO DEVELOP WITHIN THE CORE OF OUR CITY.

IT IS EASY AND FAST TO DEVELOP ON THE OUTSKIRTS, BUT THE CORE OF OUR CITY IS A AND CONTINUE TO BE A CHALLENGE.

CONTINUE WITH INCENTIVES AND THE IMPACT FEE MORATORIUM IF APPROVED, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE ISSUE OF PROFIT MARGINS, COST OF CONSTRUCTION, NEIGHBORHOOD SUSTAINABILITY.

WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO CREATE A WELCOMING ATMOSPHERE, PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ENSURE SOME TYPE OF ATTRACTION AND SMART CITY INITIATIVE, WHERE WE ARE BRINGING HIGH-SPEED FIBER THROUGHOUT OUR AREA AND OUR DOWNTOWN.

WE DID INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS LIKE ORANGE AVENUE.

STATE 1A. IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PARKS.

INCREASE THE QUALITY OF LIFE WITHIN THE FPRA.

IT WILL REMAIN A CHALLENGE. WHY THE FPRA EXISTS.

WE HAVE PROJECTS IN THE CUE. WE HAVE KINGS LANDING IN THE FPRA. THE FISHERMAN'S WHARF IN THE FPRA. IN A FEW YEARS, TIERZING FORCOB B'S LANDING. THINGS WILL HAPPEN.

IN THE CORE, UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO AGGRESSIVELY MARKET.

AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY IS A MUST.

WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM COME TO THE TABLE TO BRING ABOUT A GREATER INCENTIVE FOR THE PROSPECTIVE BUI BUILDERS. THE INCENTIVE TO SPARK NEW DEVELOPMENT AND MAKE IT BETTER. THAT MAKES IT MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WE WILL DO WHAT WE POSSIBLY CAN, BUT STARTS WITH EFFORTS LIKE THIS.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM -- >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, MR. MIMMS, YOU IDENTIFIED THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA.

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DOWNTOWN, IT IS RECREATION, DOWNTOWN.

LEISURE, BUT THAT URBAN CORE. I THINK WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS. AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THAT. I THINK WE HAVE OAKS AT MORRIS CREEK THAT IS COMING WITH THE DEVELOPER.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: 15 HOMES. F

FACH. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: 15 HOMES. IF WE CAN AGREE AND GET THE COUNTY TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE URBAN CORE IS MORE HOUSING AND ADDRESSING WHAT WE CALL ATTAINABLE HOUSING TO MEET THE -- THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

BECAUSE WE -- WE JUST REALIZED THAT WITH THIS MEETING THAT OUR SENIORS ARE LIVING IN PLACES THAT WE NEED ATTAINABLE HOUSE FOR THEM OF SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY THAT WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, EITHER REPURPOSING OR REBUILDING ON SOME OF THOSE AS WELL THAT WILL BRING SOME OF THESE THINGS UP TO -- TO HABITABLE LIVING, ETC.

THAT IS KIND OF WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US THINK ABOUT THIS IN PARTICULAR IN THIS URBAN -- INTERIOR CORE HERE TO ADDRESS THAT AND WE HAVE -- HOPEFULLY WE HAVE OUR CITY PLANS AREA WILL -- KEVIN AND THOSE GUYS WILL HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CONTAINER HOMES. I KNOW THAT SEEMS TO BE AN AREA WHERE ATTAINABILITY BASED ON THE COST OF THOSE TYPES OF STRUCTURE AND PRIOR TO COMING ON BOARD, WE WERE HAVING BRIEF DISCUSSIONS OF LOOKING AT TYPE OF HOUSING OPTIONS THAT PEOPLE COULD ATTAIN AND GET INTO A CERTAIN PRICE POINT THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO GROW INTO HOMEOWNERSHIP INTO THESE AREAS AND I THINK THAT IS AN AREA AS WE LOOK TO EXPLORE AND LOOK FOR COUNTY PARTNERSHIP, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE.

BECAUSE OWNERSHIP BRINGS ABOUT A SENSE OF PRIDE.

IT BRINGS ABOUT A SENSE OF DEVELOPMENT OF COMMUNITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND THE MORE WE CAN TRY TO REVIEW THAT WITH COMMUNITY.

GETTING COMMUNITY AT AN AABLE PRICE OF A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT YOU OWN THAT WILL HELP US BRING IT TO A CORE AND A TAX BASE THAT WILL TRY TO SUSTAIN ITSELF AND SUSTAIN THIS CITY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE DOING SOME OF THAT ALREADY WITH INK.

ALREADY DOING THE HOMEOWNERSHIP WORKSHOPS.

AND SOME OF THIS IS AS A RESULT OF THE MARKET.

THE MARKET IS GOING TO THE WESTERN CORRIDOR.

IN FACT THE WESTERN CORRIDOR IS EXPLODING AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY HOW ARE WE GOING TO SERVE IT WITH CITY SERVICES.

AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO MAKE -- TO INCORPORATE ALL THE NEW PEOPLE THAT WILL BE MOVING IN THERE INTO OUR CITY TO MAKE THEM

KNOW THAT THEY ARE IN OUR CITY. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, YOU ARE RIGHT. THE CORE GROWTH AND GOOD PAYING JOBS. PEOPLE WHO TAKE THOSE JOBS WILL

LOOK FOR HOUSING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: HOUSING OUT

THERE TOO. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT IS TRUE AT A CERTAIN PRICE POINT.

NOT EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ATTAINABLE HOUSING IS AVAILABLE

FOR ALL ECONOMIC LEVELS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ACROSS THE STATE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY IS AN ISSUE.

OKAY. ARE YOU? I THINK WE ARE GOOD WITH CONTINUING THE MORATORIUM.

ARE WE GOOD WITH THAT? YES.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: WE WILL COULD BE BACK AT A CITY COMMISSION AGENDA. AND WE WILL HAVE A FORMAL

ORDINANCE FOR THAT PURPOSE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

YOU CAN COME BACK UP HERE AND JOIN US.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I HAVE ONE MORE ITEM.

[d. Discussion on City-owned property located at 1920 Seaway Drive (parcel ID: 2401-501-0031-000-1) for potential development.]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THEN YOU CAN'T COME BACK UP HERE.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: ALMOST.

>>. >> DISCUSSION ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTY AT 19120 SEAWAY DRIVE MIMMS MIMMS WE HAD A DISCUSSION OF THIS PROPERTY. INTEREST FROM THE PRIVATE SECTOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.

AT THAT TIME YOU AS A CITY COMMISSION GAVE US DIRECTION TO COME BACK WITHIN 90 DAYS AND WE CAN REVIEW IT AGAIN.

SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED ANY ADDITIONAL INTEREST IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

AND ALSO FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE NEARBY AREA AT 301 OCEAN DRIVE, THAT IS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. BUT AT 301 OCEAN DRIVE, WE ARE GOING TO BE ADVERTISING THE RFP ON SEPTEMBER 19.

WE HAVE A PROPOSAL MEETING ON OCTOBER 5, AND PROPOSALS WILL BE DUE ON DECEMBER 1 OF THIS YEAR. SO IF THAT CAN HELP YOU WITH

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: 301. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: LIPSHIP AND D[L]IMAGGIO. LEVELED PARKING.

IT IS USED -- NOT A LOT BUT IT IS USED.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ON THIS ITEM.

I AM GOOD. DO YOU HAVE A DATE SET FOR RFP

OR RFQ MUCH. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: FOR 301.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WE HAD DISCUSSION OF HOLD THIS UNTIL THAT ONE IS COMPLETED. I AM GOOD WITH THAT.

HOLD AS A STATUS QUO WITH THIS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE

INTEREST. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WILL WAIT WHEN ALL THIS HAPPENS, BUT I NEED TO GET IN HERE WHEN I

CAN. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GIVE

YOU THREE MINUTES. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: AN INTERESTING PIECE OF PROPERTY. WE HAD AN RFP ON IT PREVIOUSLY.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: WE DID. YEARS AGO, YEARS BACK.

YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: WE HAD PEOPLE INTERESTED IN DOING SOMETHING WITH THIS AT ONE TIME.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I THINK SO, YES.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: WE OPTED OUT.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

WHAT GIVES ME A LITTLE CONCERN IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PROPERTY WEST OF THE RESTAURANT RIGHT THERE THAT IS PRIVATELY OWNED THAT IS NOT DEVELOPED YET AND WE ARE -- WE HAVE THE INLET ON ONE SIDE. THE OCEAN ON THE OTHER SIDE AND A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING N THERE AND I WILL ASK THE COMMISSION TO BE CAUTIOUS AS WE APPROACH THIS. IF WE WENT OUT AND DID SOMETHING PRIOR TO THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD REGRET THAT GOING DOWN THE LINE. IF WE TAKE A LOOK AT THE FUNCTION OF IT RIGHT NOW, NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE.

IT IS KINDS OF -- A SHELLED LOT. THE RESTAURANT USE IT IS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE AND OVERFLOW TYPE OF THING.

IN WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS, IT IS PACKED UP.

I BELIEVE IF YOU HAVE INFILL OUT THERE AND YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING -- AND I KNOW MR. MIMMS HAS A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT THAN THE REST OF US OF WHAT IS BEING TALKED ABOUT FOR THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. THE IMPACT TO THAT AREA WILL BE EXTREME. AND WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAVE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS THERE, AND I AM TELLING YOU, THAT IN MY MIND, WHAT HE -- GOING FORWARD. THING IS KEY TO MANY SOLUTIONS.

SO BE CAUTIOUS AS WE APPROACHED THIS IN YEARS TO COME.

A. YOU LIKE TO SAY THAT.

>> I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT IT WAS ALWAYS A LOT MR. INTERESTING TO ME TO SAY I MARKED THAT ON MY LIST, MY RADAR.

AND WHEN IT COMES UP UP AGAINST, I AM READY TO GO.

MY RADAR IS FLICKERING RIGHT NOW.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL OF WHAT YOU SAID APPLIES TO 1920, NOT 301.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: 192037. 301 IS A DIFFERENT ENTITY ALL IN ITSELF. SOME SIMILARITIES.

BUT THIS 1920, AGAIN, I LOOKED AT AS A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH THAT WILL COME THROUGH AS AN IMPORTANT SOLUTION FOR THAT ACTIVITY. YOU ARE LANDLOCKED RIGHT THERE.

YOU CAN'T GO OUT AND BUY SOMETHING ELSE AND MAKE IT HAPPEN. IT IS ALREADY HAPPEN.

PROCEED WITH CAUTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER ON THIS COMMISSION AND COME BACK AND GIVE THE SAME

I'M PASSIONED SPEECH. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I DON'T

THINK SO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYTHING ELSE ON 1920. I THINK LET'S HOLD OFF BUT 301

IS A GO. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: SOUNDS GOOD.

[e. Discussion regarding Cold Weather Shelters at the request of Commissioner Curtis Johnson, Jr.]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I WILL COME

BACK UP. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION REGARDING COLD WEATHER SHELTERS AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON JR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, FELLOW COMEDIES, I WANTED TO BRING THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION. THINGS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE MAY NOT ALL BE AWARE OF AND I CERTAINLY AM BECAUSE I DEALT WITH THE ORGANIZATION AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DEALT WITH THIS SITUATION IN OUR CITY.

SO I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THINGS AND CONVERSATIONS I HAVE BEEN HAVING RECENTLY AND KIND OF LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE. AND PA WHAT MAY BE TRANSPIRING HERE. AS YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW WHEN THE WEATHER DIPS BELOW A CERTAIN DEGREE, IT TRIGGERS AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE. AND PEOPLE REENCOURAGED TO NOT

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9 COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A OPERATIONAL PLACE THEY OPERATE

WITH GOLD WEATHER. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THEY DON'T?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NO, MA'AM.

ALL OF THIS WAS HEAPED ON A PRIVATE CITIZEN INDIVIDUAL WITH HER NONPROFIT CENTER AND TAKING THE RESIDENTS IN AND THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD GO OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED ON THE STREETS IN FORT PIERCE, ST. LUCIE COUNTY, AS A RESULT HER NOT HAVING A PLACE THAT SHE COULD UTILIZE, WE ARE APPROACHING COLD WEATHER SEASON. SO AS A RESULT, CONVERSATIONS WERE TAKEN PLACE AS TO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE CITIZENS ON OUR STREETS SUFFERING FROM FROST.

BITE, COULD FACE DEATH, AND COULD FURTHER CLOG UP OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AS A RESULT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN PREVENT BY PROVIDING JUST OVERNIGHT SHELTER TO GET THEM OUT OF THE ELEMENT, SO THIS CONVERSATION SPURRED ANOTHER CONVERSATION THAT WE -- SHE HAS HAD WITH -- WITH MR. WILL ARMSTED THAT RUNS A GIRLS AND BOYS CLUB. AND THE PERCY PEAK GIMG.

WITH THOSE TWO HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

THEY ARE WORKING OUT A MUM DUMB OF UNDERSTANDING.

THEY -- A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.

FOR THE FIRST TIME NOT A BUDGET ATTRIBUTED TO THIS AND FORMAL STEPS TAKEN PLACE TO MAKE US AWARE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND IN MUM DUMB OF UNDERSTANDING SO WE HAVE A -- MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PASTOR WILL HAVE A SHELTER TO REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE STREETS, INTO A WARM SHELTER, AND THIS MORNING, RETURN BACK TO NORMAL OPERATION. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS COMMISSION IS AWARE OF THIS AND WHAT I JUST STATEDED.

SOME ASSUMPTIONS THAT THE COUNTY DID THIS, AND THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. WE HAVE VERY LITTLE, IF ANY, OPERATION FACILITIES THAT WOULD TAKE IN PEOPLE OVERNIGHT JUST TO GET THEM OFF THE STREET FOR COLD WEATHER.

NOW KNOCK ON WOOD, WE HAVE BEEN -- WE ARE -- WE ARE GETTING PAST THIS TIME OF SEASON WHERE WE WOULD TYPICALLY HAVE SOME -- BUT WE HAVE GOT -- WE ARE WILLING TO GET AWAY FROM OUR TROPICAL SEASON, BUT WE ARE RIGHT ON THE CUSP OF WINTER SEASON.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.

SO I WANTED TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION WITH THIS CITY COMMISSION BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN MEETING.

THERE HAVE BEEN INFORMATION THAT IS FORTHCOMING THAT THE ACTUAL BUDGET WHICH I CAN TELL IS YOU UNDER $30,000 TO -- FOR THIS ENTIRE OPERATION FOR THIS ENTIRE WEATHERIZATION SEASON AND THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING I JUST RECEIVED AND THEY WILL BE FORWARDING THAT TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO REVIEW THAT AND ADVISE US ACCORDINGLY, BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB RIGHT NOW FOR PERCY PEAK GYM AND AMEND THAT CONTRACT TO ALLOW FOR CERTAIN PROVISIONS, ETC., IF THIS WERE TO TAKE PLACE.

SO I WILL KIND OF STOP RIGHT THERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION WITH MY FELLOW COMEDIES AND MADAM MAYOR REGARDING THIS BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REPRESENT ALL CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE.

AND THOSE THAT LIVE UNFORTUNATELY UNSHELTERED ARE OUR CITIZENS. AND WINTER SEASON IS APPROACHING. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T MAKE THE HEADLINES ON SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AVOID WHEN IT COMES TO JUST BEING SENSITIVE AND CARING FOR TON THE COLD WEATHER NIGHTS. I WILL REMIND THIS COMMISSION, WE HAD A VERY BAD FIRE ON THE CORNER OF 13TH AND AVENUE D THIS STRUCTURE THIS PAST WINTER THAT PEOPLE WERE TRYING -- A HIGH WIND NIGHT. IT WAS COLD.

I WAS 30 DEGREES. WE COULD HAVE LOST THAT WHOLE ENTIRE BLOCK THAT NIGHT BECAUSE OF THE WIND GUSTS AND THE EMBERS FROM PEOPLE TRYING TO SHELTER IN AN ABANDONED BUILDING THAT CAUGHT FIRE. AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT IF

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WE DIDN'T LOSE A LIFE. WE COULD HAVE LOST LIFE.

BUT LOST A STRUCTURE. THAT CONCERNS ME BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE FOR THEM TO GO TO GET OUT OF THE

WEATHER IMPLEMENT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: HAZEL USED TO DO IT OUT OF THE OLD HOSPITAL BUT SAID SHE COULDN'T DO IT

ANYMORE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

THAT'S CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MAYOR, A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD. THE COUNTY HAS SOMETHING WE PAY FOR. THEY DON'T DO IT.

THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

NO, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WHAT

IS THE WORD WHEN YOU HAVE A -- >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THEIR MISSION STATEMENTS. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THEIR MISSION STATEMENT, I WOULD THINK.

I AM A LITTLE PERPLEXED THEY DON'T HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE.

AT THE SAME TIME, GROWING UP HERE -- I AM NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT TO BE FORWARD THINKING AND PARTICIPATE, BECAUSE I DO.

THE CHURCH HAS ALWAYS TOOK BE THIS CHALLENGE ON IN THIS COMMUNITY. LIKE AS A YOUNG MAN GROWING UP, GOING TO KITCHENS AND SOUP KITCHENS AND OR COLD WEATHER SHELTERS. YOU HAVE BEEN MEETING WITH THE PASTORS IN THAT GROUP. ARE THEY -- ARE THEY PARTICIPATING IN THIS EFFORT ALSO? HAS IT BEEN BROUGHT UP TO THIS GROUP ALSO?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: IT WILL BE BROUGHT UP BUT PASTOR HAZEL WAS THE PASTOR WHO WAS DOING THIS.

SHE DID IT FOR MANY YEARS NOW, SHE HAS BEEN DOING THIS.

SHE HAD A PLACE. AND THAT PLACE NOW HAS BEEN -- HAS DEEMED -- SHE CAN'T OPERATE THAT THERE IN THE CURRENT PLACE

-- THEY WON'T LET HER DO IT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THIS GROUP YOU MEET WITH IS ABOUT IN THE HANDFULS.

COUPLE OF DOZEN -- PASTORS. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THEY HAVE NOT EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CHURCHES TO TAKE ON THIS, BUT ALWAYS A CONVERSATION THAT WE CAN HAVE. BUT BY THE TIME WE REACH THAT, THEN WE ARE WITH THAT OPERATIONALIZED IN THE CITY.

WHERE WOULD THAT BE? WHO IS EQUIPPED TO EVEN TAKE THAT ON IN THEIR RESPECTIVE CHURCHES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I DON'T KNOW.

THAT IS WHAT I WOULD WANT TO ASK.

FOR DECADES IT HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW EITHER EVERYBODY STOPPED OR SOMETHING CHANGED AND CODES -- I GOT TO ASK MY OWN CHURCH AND LEADERSHIP.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: A GREAT PLACE TO START.

BECAUSE THERE WAS NO OTHER CHURCH DOING THIS, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BESIDE PASTOR HAZEL. AND I GUESS THEY ALL KIND OF DEFERRED AND SHAME FROM ALL OF US A LOT OF US OBFUSCATED OUR DUTY AS ELECTIVES, COUNTY, STATE, EVERYBODY.

WE HAD NO PLACE FOR OUR CITIZENS JUST TO GET OUT OF THE COLD WEATHER TO GO TO. NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG, IF A STORM CAME, THOSE CENTERS OPEN, RIGHT.

THAT IS EOC, THAT IS COUNTY, TRIGGERED.

BUT COLD WEATHER AND DROP BELOW 32 DEGREES WHICH WE HAVE GOTTEN SOME OF THOSE NIGHTS. NO, NOTHING THAT OPENS.

SHE WAS IT. THEY WOULD CALL HER AND SAY PASTOR, IT IS DEEMED TO GO BELOW THE FREEZING POINT TONIGHT.

SHE WOULD GO INTO EFFECT AT THAT POINT AND PROVIDE A WARM COT, FOOD AND A WARM BREAKFAST THE NEXT MORNING AND THAT WAS IT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I HAVE SEEN DECLARATIONS COME OUT FROM THE COUNTY BEFORE DURING COLD WEATHER EVENTS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE TRYING TO TELL US THAT THE COLD WEATHER IS COMING OR IF THERE IS SOME SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE SOLUTION WAS PASTOR HAZEL, THE SIGNAL FROM THE COMMUNITY AND POLICE OFFICERS.

EVERYBODY KNEW AT THAT POINT THEY COULD TAKE THEM UP TO THE OLD HOSPITAL IN THE AREA, AND SHE WOULD KEEP THEM OVERNIGHT AND PROVIDE STAFFING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SAFE.

PEOPLE ARE THERE RESPONSIBLE TO CARE FOR THEM.

THOSE ARE ALL EXPENSES THAT WOULD OCCUR NOW -- INCURRED NOW

AS A RESULT, RIGHT AND SO -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU MENTIONED $30,000. DO THEY THINK THAT 30,000 WILL

COME TO US. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATE, MADAM MAYOR.

THE CITY AND THE FORT PIERCE COUNTY HAS A PART AND A 501-C-3, MAYBE SOME FUND RAISING EFFORTS AS WELL.

I WANT US TO BE AWARE THAT FOR MANY YEARS, THIS WHOLE BURDEN HAS BEEN SHOULDERS BY HER ORGANIZATION, AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. AND I THINK A BORINGS -- A SMALL PORTION OF THAT CAN BE -- A PORTION.

A SMALL PORTION OF THAT CAN BE SHOULDERS ABOUT I CITY, COUNTY, AND OTHER FILL LAN TROPIC TO CARE WHAT IS WARM, WHY OVERNIGHT

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: GOT IT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I EQUATE IT TO RED CROSS. I AM A PROPONENT OF GETTING TO THESE ORGANIZATION THAT ARE EQUIPPED TO HANDLE IT.

THEY ARE VERY EXPERIENCED. THE RED CROSS COMES IN DURING A DISASTER DECLARATION AND THEY COME IN, EFFICIENT SYSTEM, BOOM, BOOM, BOOM. AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, I AM SAYING PARTNER WITH THOSE FOLKS AND PROVIDE A FACILITY AND MODIFICATION OF THE AGREEMENT AND SEE WHAT CAN HAPPEN FROM THERE AND IDENTIFY AND MAKE SURE -- I STILL WANT ST. LUCIE COUNTY TO BE -- THAT IS THE MISSION OF THEIR ENVIRONMENT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: TO BE ON THE AGENDA.

DO YOU AGREE? >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I DO.

PART OF IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DIDN'T WANT TO

INTERRUPT. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: COMMISSIONER JOHN, I DO WANT TO SAY IN PREVIOUS YEARS, PAST YEARS, ST.

LUCY COUNTY WAS PART OF THE SOLUTION.

ST. LUCIE COUNTY OPERATED COLD WEATHER CENTERS AT OUR RIVERWALK CENTER. ST. LUCY COUNTY ORCHESTRATED THAT. THEY HANDLED THAT AND HAD THE VOLUNTEER REPRESENTATIVES THERE THAT DID ALL OF THE GROUNDWORK.

BUT THAT STOPPED. I AM NOT QUITE SURE THAT ANYONE ON THE COUNTY ROSTER HAS THAT INFORMATION OR IS AWARE OF THAT CURRENTLY. BUT THEY WERE PART OF THE SOLUTION AND MOVING FORWARD, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION BECAUSE AS AN EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER FOR THE COUNTY, THIS SHOULD BE AN EMERGENCY OPERATION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PART OF THEIR MISSION.

NIMZ NIMZ THE MOU BEING FINALIZE $OF THE IMAGE OF CHRIST, THAT WILL ESTABLISH THE ONLY COLD WEATHER CENTER IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. EVEN THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE BRINGS PEOPLE TO FORT PIERCE DURING THESE COLD WEATHER EVENTS. I THINK MAKE PORT ST. LUCIE SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THE SOLUTION.

I THINK SEVERAL INCIDENTS TEASE WILL BE PART OF THIS AND SHOULD

BE A COUNTY-WIDE EFFORT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: CITY MANAGER JUST -- IT'S FINE. ONE THING I DO KNOW IS THIS JOINT MEET WITH THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING.

IT IS GOING TO BE -- GOING TO BE VERY INTERESTING.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MUST SEE TELEVISION.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WANT TO KNOW LIKE YOU MR. MIMMS, WHY THAT IS NO NOT PART OF THE COUNTY.

LIKE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID PASTOR HAZEL AND SHE HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB I HEARD THAT EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY SENT THEIR PEOPLE -- KNEW ABOUT HER AND INCENTIVE THE RESIDENTS TO FORT PIERCE. I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: EVEN THE NEIGHBORING COUNTY TO

THE NORTH. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: CAME

DOWN TOO. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: BUT UNDERSTAND FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND MADAM MAYOR THAT -- WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON THAT BURDEN AND BE DEEMED THAT CITY THAT SOMEONE DIED ON THE STREETS OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE ON COLD WEATHER. AND I THINK AT OUR PART, WE HAVE AN ASSET IN THIS BUILDING THAT CAN PROVIDE OVERNIGHT SOME SHELTER. IF MR. ARMSTED CAN REALIZE NOT ALL DAY. JUST OVERNIGHT.

GET THEM OFF THE STREET. EXACTLY.

AND TURN THEM BACK AND THEN REALIZE THAT MAYBE CONSECUTIVE DAYS, BUT AN OPERATION THAT WILL BE -- LITERALLY GIVE THEM A WARM PLACE OVERNIGHT AND FIGURE IT OUT UNTIL WE GO FORWARD.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK ITS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE PARTNERS. OTHER PEOPLE -- IT IS -- IT HAS BEEN A COUNTY FUNCTION THAT IS -- APPARENTLY.

>> NOT THERE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THE LAST PART I WILL MAKE, MADAM MAYOR THAT REMEMBER AGAIN -- I GOT TO THROW THIS OUT THERE, THAT IT WAS THEAND GIRLS CLUB CAME US TO EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT THAT NEW --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: HOW CAN I FORGET THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ASKED FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY.

THEY CAME TO US ABOUT THAT PROJECT THEY HAVE OVER IN THE NORTH PART -- OF ST. LUCY COUNTY.

RIGHT OFF OF ANOTHER IDEAS AND SOLUTION THAT IF NEED BE HE WILL

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ONE LADY AND ONE PASTOR IN AN ORGANIZATION IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY HAD A -- COUNTY OF -- AND A FEW ON THE COUNTY OF SOUTH THAT ACROSS THE BORDER AND COME, THEY WOULD COME TO -- THEY WOULD COME TO FORT PIERCE. AND SHE DID A TREMENDOUS JOB AND AS JEREMIAH SONSON SAID -- TO CALL OUT -- HE DIDN'T SAY THAT -- TIME FOR US TO PARTNER WITH SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE KNOWN TO DO THIS AND HELP IN THE TIME OF NEED.

TIME FOR US TO PARTNER AND SAY LET'S PROTECT THE VULNERABLE RESIDENTS OF ST. LUCY COUNTY AND FORT PIERCE AT THIS TIME.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT IS FORTHCOMING, I WILL

CIRCULATE THIS TO MISS COX. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK WE ARE AGREEING IT SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE COMBINED MEETING.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: COMBINED MEETING.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT WILL BE A LONG MEETING.

THAT WILL BE A LONG MEETING. THAT WILL BE AN ALL-DAY MEETING.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: CAN YOU MAKE THAT IN DECEMBER?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I CAN ALREADY SEE IT COMING.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: GIVE ME THE BUCKET, I WILL CARRY IT.

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

MOVE ON. >> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM

THE PUBLIC. >>MAYOR HUDSON: NOW TIMES COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. MISS COX.

>> GOOD MORNING. ATLANTIC BEACH BOULEVARD.

I AM PUTTING MY FARMER'S MARKET HAT AT BEGINNING.

THE NEW PARKING LOT THE CORNER OF MELODY LANE IS GREAT.

I'M ENCOURAGING OUR VENDERS TO UTILIZE IT.

AND IT IS BEING UNDERUTILIZED AND THERE IS STILL A SIGN THAT SAYS NO TRESPASSING. YOU WILL BE TOWED.

I THOUGHT OF YANKING THAT OUT MYSELF.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NOT A GOOD IDEA. >> IT IS KIND OF SENDING A MIXED MESSAGE BECAUSE IT MAYBE -- MAYBE 15% CAPACITY EACH SATURDAY MORNING THAT I NOTICED. SO -- IT IS JUST A SMALL PLACARD, BUT IT DOES SAY PRIVATE PROPERTY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE WILL WORK ON THAT.

>> TWO YEARS AGO I WAS PLAYING MUSIC, AND A 15-YEAR-OLD KID SHOWED UP WITH A SAXOPHONE. I LOVE MAKING MUSIC WITH PEOPLE.

I INVITED HIM UP. HE PLAYED WITH ME FOR THREE HOURS. WE HAVE BEEN PLAYING TOGETHER EVER SINCE. IT HAS BEEN A GREAT PARTNERSHIP.

A GREAT FRIENDSHIP. HE PLAYED WITH ME YESTERDAY AT LITTLE GYM. I PAID HIM $55 AN HOUR YESTERDAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE MAKING AT 17 YEARS OLD BUT I WAS MAKING AT A YOGURT MAKING $4.25.

A YOUNG MAN LOOKING AT COLLEGES NEXT YEAR, PRETTY SOLID OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM. HE IS WORTH IT, THAT IS WHY I PAY HIM SO MUCH. POINT OF ALL THIS IS WITHOUT AMPLIFIED LOUD MUSIC AT CIDER WORKS, THIS WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED. TO HAVE THAT ARTISTIC INTERACTION AND MISSING OUT ON RELATIONSHIPS SUCH AS THESE.

WE ARE HERE TO, AGAIN, ASK THAT THE REVISED ORDINANCE BE PUT ON THE AGENDA AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE GOING ON SIX MONTHS NOW.

AND WE WANT TO AT THE VERY LEAST MAKE THAT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU FOLKS TO VOTE ON SO WE CAN -- SO WE CAN RESUME EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING. AND ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR

YOUR TIME. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO -- >> GOOD MORNING, CITY COMMISSIONERS. TANNER GOULET.

3454 58TH COURT IN VERO BEACH. I AM THE 17-YEAR-OLD WHO MET HIM AT PIER CIDER. A SENIOR FOR THE SCHOOL OF THE VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS. I HAVE BEEN THERE.

THIS WILL BE MY FOR YOU ARE THE YEAR.

ABSOLUTELY LOVE PLAYING MUSIC. I MET WILL TWO YEARS AGO AND HAVE BEEN PLAYING WITH HIM EVER SINCE.

I PLAYED WITH HIM YESTERDAY. AND PIER CIDER GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS MYSELF WITH ART.

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ANOTHER THING ABOUT ME IS I AM AN EAGLE SCOUT.

AND GOT IT IN MARCH. HELD IT AT PIER CIDER.

A GREAT VENUE. THEY WERE VERY GRACIOUS AND HOOK THE SPEAKER UP SO EVERYBODY COULD HEAR US WITH THE MICROPHONE SO EVERYBODY WILL BE ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING IN MY COURT OF HONOR. FANTASTIC.

AFTER, MY BAND PLAYED FOR TWO HOURS.

IT WAS GREAT. IT WAS A HUGE PARTY CELEBRATION.

WHAT MORE COULD YOU ASK FOR. SO I'M HERE, AND I WANTED TO ASK YOU, THE CITY COMMISSION IF YOU COULD CONSIDER PUTTING -- REVISING THE ORDINANCE AT -- PUTTING THE ORDINANCE REVISION ON THE NEXT AGENDA. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> CAN I GET YOUR LAST NAME. >> GOULET.

SAME AS WILL. >> NO RELATION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I WAS GOING TO SAY.

YOU JUST MET. I DON'T WANT TO GO THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: JOHNSON IN FORT PIERCE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YOU ARE SO SILLY.

>> JAMES NOLY. SEAWAY DRIVE.

I HAD A WHOLE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS I WANTED TO SAY AND THEN LISTEN G TO YOU EARLIER.

YOU ARE GETTING ME. TALKING OF THE TAXES AND IMPACT FEES AND ALL THIS STUFF. LITERALLY JUST COMING BACK -- THIS MORNING UP 7:00, WORKING AT TOOTSIE TIKI, ON THE FISHERMAN'S WH WHARF.

I AM POURING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT AND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT RIGHT. WE WILL HAVE LIVE MUSIC OVER THERE AND REALLY -- YOU KNOW IT REALLY MAKES IT.

YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DO THIS.

I HAVE MOVED MYSELF AWAY OUT OF PALM BEACH COUNTY.

ALL THE OTHER, 1620 ORANGE AVENUE.

I BOUGHT THAT. THAT WOULD BE MY MANUFACTURING FACILITY FOR PIER CIDER WORKS. FUNDED BY PEOPLE COMING IN LISTENING TO MUSIC. THAT BUILDING DRIVE BY NOW, IT IS FOR SALE. YOU GUYS -- I MEAN, WE ARE TAKING A HIT HERE. SO, I AM THE GUY TRYING TO DO THIS STUFF. I AM WORKING IN FISHERMAN'S WHARF, EDGARTOWN, ORANGE AVENUE. I HAVE A PLACE ON TAYLOR CREEK THAT I AM PLAN BEING ON DEVELOPING.

PRETTY EASY TO TALK TO ONE WAY, BUT WE NEVER GET -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. COMING ON SIX MONTHS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO KEEP PUTTING MONEY INTO THIS AREA. LIKE I SAID, I HAVE A 1.7 ACRES I WOULD LIKE TO DEVELOP AT TAYLOR CREEK.

I WILL PAY YOU THE IMPACT FEES. I AM HIRING PEOPLE.

YOU GUYS ARE LOOKING FOR THESE OTHER PEOPLE.

I AM THE GUY WHO IS CARE. I AM UP HERE BEING A PAIN IN YOUR BUTT EVERY DAY, I AM ASKING YOU GUYS TO GIVE US A PAIR SHAKE. IF WE DON'T GET A PASS, THAT'S FINE. KEEP KICKING -- I NEED TO MOVE THAT SO I CAN SEE. I GOT TWO SPOTS AT KING'S LANDING. EVERY SINGLE SPOT THAT YOU GUYS TALKED ABOUT. I AM YOUR GUY.

YOU DON'T LIKE ME, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW.

I AM TELLING YOU -- YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE BEEN -- I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO EASE -- TRYING TO EASE MY WAY OUT OF PALM BEACH COUNTY. TWO MORE BUSINESSES.

LOOKING TO SELL. AND REALLY, REALLY MAKE THIS HOME. BUT SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS THIS? THAT HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR SO LONG.

AND, YOU KNOW -- AND, YEAH, TO SUM IT UP TOO.

IT HAD BEEN TWO YEARS PRIOR WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TALK ABOUT IT. WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE TIME FOR THAT. I ASKED THEM TO CALL THE POLICE ON ME SO WE CAN PUSH THIS AGENDA.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. BUT MAYBE I WILL SEE YOU AGAIN.

I TAKE OFF WORK EVERY SINGLE TIME TO DO COME DO THIS.

I COULD BE MAKING THE PLACE A BETTER PLACE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO MOVEMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING

AND WE WILL MOVE ON. >> NEXT ITEM IS COMMISSION BOARD

AND COMMITTEE UPDATES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

WE JUST CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING -- YOU WEREN'T MOVING.

BUT SO, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD.

I WILL REOPEN FOR YOU. >>U THAT, MADAM MAYOR.

MY APOLOGIESES. I WAS STALKING TO JOHN.

JOHN IS A FRIEND OF MINE. SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

YOU GUYS KNOW -- >> YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,

PLEASE. >> MICHELLE.

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THANK YOU COMMISSIONER GAINES WHO HAS BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ME.

AND ALSO J JOHNSON AS WELL. SO WE DID QUASI JUDICIAL RULINGS. WENT ON OUR PARCEL.

COME ON, GUYS. WE ARE ALL GRANDFATHERED.

YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. THE BTRS ARE THE ORIGINAL REGISTRATION. PETITION? MADE ME COME IN WITH SOME BIDS. BTR FROM THE CITY OF PORT ST.

LUCIE, THE BED TAX. WE ARE PAYING NONHOMESTEAD TAX.

AND YOU KNOW THIS TURNOVER IS BECAUSE YOU GUYS MAKE IT COMPLETELY DIFFICULT. I HAVE SPENT OVER 1,000 HOURS OF MY PERSONAL TIME VOLUNTEERING TO HELP THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMMUNITY. I'M HERE AT EVERY MEETING.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE TIRED OF SEEING ME.

I HAVE THE SAME LICENSE AS A HOTEL.

I KNOW THE PERSON FROM, YOU KNOW, THE DPBR AND CONTACT WITH THEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. THEY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DO WATCH OVER US. IF THERE IS AN ISSUE.

IF I DO SOMETHING WRONG. IF YOU COME AND STAY IN MY SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND I VIOLATE THE RULES, THEY ARE GOING TO COME AFTER ME. AND I AM NOT GOING TO RISK MY LICENSE FOR THAT. SO WE GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS STUFF. WE ARE THE HIGHEST PAID TAX BTR PERSON BESIDES AN ARCADE. THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

WE ARE BRING TAX DOLLARS AND ALL THE WAY TRESSES AND WAITERS ARE GETTING MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE ENCOURAGING THEM TO GO OUT AND SPEND MONEY INTO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS A PUGH I HAVE IT SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE PUNISHING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE AND IT IS NOT RIGHT. YOU NEED TO REMOVE THAT ORDINANCE. YOU NEED TO GIVE IT BACK TO THE STATE WHO ARE ALREADY THE ONES WATCHING OVER US TO MAKE SURE WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE. YOU MADE A BIG OR DEAL PUTTING THE PROPERTY MANAGER'S INFORMATION ONLINE AND IT IS NOT SO. IF GO LINDA COX.

THE PROPERTY MANAGERS ARE NOT EVEN ON THERE.

YOU CAN'T EVEN GET A HOLD. PROPERTY MANAGERS.

UP NEED TO SUPPORT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE.

WE BRING A LOT TO THIS WHOLE PROCESS AND YOU BRING A LOT OF MONEY TO THE CITY. YOU ARE GIVING FREE IMPACT FEES TO EVERYBODY, BUT PUNITIVELY COMING AFTER US.

GOING AFTER PIER CIDER WORKS. COME ON.

INCREDIBLY CRAZY. THE TASK FORCE YOU BROUGHT FORWARD TO BRING ON THE ORDINANCE DID NOT HAVE ONE PERSON WHO OWN THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ON THAT BOARD DESPITE EVERY MEETING THAT I HAVE COME HERE.

SO THAT SHOWS THAT YOU GUYS HAD NO INTEREST IN WORKING WITH THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNERS. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> IS THIS ON? CAN YOU HEAR ME? I AM DANA FRANS, 1361 BENNY DRIVE.

I REALLY LOVED ARNOLD S. GAINES. I LOVE WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS OF THIS, SO IT IS A BIT INTIMIDATING. I WAS BORN IN FORT PIERCE 48 YEARS AGO AT THE BIG HOSPITAL OUT THERE AT THE TOP.

SO MY WHOLE FAMILY MADE A PLACE HERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. YEAH.

SO I ACTUALLY BOUGHT MY FIRST HOUSE ON 207 AVENUE D IN MY 20S.

I LIVED RIGHT ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND A PROBLEM FROM THE CITY. I MADE IT SO BEAUTIFUL AND RENOVATED IT -- I NEED MY GLASSES BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE GETTING FINED FOR NOT PAINTING A FENCE.

IN MY YOUTH FOR NOT BEING THAT YOUNG, I DECIDED TO SELL IT AND MOVE TO FELLS MER. ON FIVE ACRES EASIER TO DEAL WITH THAT SORT OF THING. I HAVE THREE GROWN CHILDREN.

IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN. MY HUSBAND -- EX-HUSBAND IS A DEPUTY WITH A COUNTY. I COME HERE AFTER MY DIVORCE BUYING A DUPLEX THINKING I CAN OFFSET MY EXPENSES BY LIVING ON ONE SIDE AND AIRBNBING THE OTHER.

LITTLE DID I KNOW WHEN THE REALTOR -- MY REALTOR DID SAY, OH, NO PROBLEM THE AIRBNB LICENSE WON'T BE A PROBLEM AND YOU CAN GET IT. IT WAS HELL.

THANK GOD I MET MICHELLE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAY TO GO SIX THINGS -- I HAD TO PAY $5,000 GRAND TO PUT A NEW APRON ON MY DRIVEWAY. WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE, THE PEOPLE THERE -- THE DOORKNOBS WERE CHEWED OFF THE DOORS.

GIANT DOGS. LEFT THE FURNITURE IN THERE

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THE PEOPLE ON BENNY DRIVE ARE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.

THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND THEY DON'T PAY VERY MUCH RENT THERE. IT WAS EASIER TO DO A SHORT-TERM RATHER THAN LONG TERM AND EVERY DAY I COULD MAKE MONEY CLEANING THE UNITS. AND I COULD CLEARLY SEE THAT NOBODY WAS DESTROYING THEM. AFTER DOING THAT A YEAR, I HAVE ALMOST A FIVE-STAR RATING WITH AIRBNB AND NO COMPLAINTS AND A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY THAT IS WAY MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN HOW I GOT IT. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW I HAVE TO FIGHT AND GO THROUGH ALL THIS QUASI-JUDICIAL STUFF, AND NOW I AM BEING TOLD EVEN IF I SELL MY PROPERTY, I DON'T GET THE BENEFIT OF SELLING MY LICENSE THAT I FOUGHT SO HARD TO GET IN THIS CITY THAT I WAS BORN IN. THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO BE LOVED BY, YOU PEOPLE THAT WORK -- THAT YOU WANT ME TO HAVE THIS HOUSE, PRIDE AND ALL THIS STUFF, BUT I DON'T FEEL SUPPORTED BY YOU.

BUT I DID FEEL SUPPORTED BY YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE MISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE. NOW SEEING NO MOVEMENT.

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

ALL RIGHTY. >> SO NEXT WE HAVE CITY COMMISSION BOARD AND COMMITTEE UPDATES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. IS THERE A VOLUNTEER?

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: YES, MA'AM.

ALL RIGHT, SO SUMMERTIME, AND THE COMMITTEES THAT I AM ON DID NOT HAVE MEETINGS BUT I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THE RETIREMENT BOARD IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT FOUR SCENARIOS FOR COLAS COMING UP WHICH HAS BEEN A BIG ITEM. AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE BALANCING OUR COMMITMENT TO THE CURRENT RETRIERIES AND STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT THAT THINGS ARE FAIR ENOUGH AND I MENTION THIS BEFORE IN STATEMENT. I WILL SAY THAT THIS UPCOMING MEETING IS COMING UP AND WE HAVE A REPORT FROM OUR ACTUARY THAT WILL COMPLETELY CONFUSE US ALL WITH CALCULATIONS.

BUT AT THE END WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT AND MOVE FORWARD.

THERE IS SOME TYPE OF TRACTION WITH THE -- WITH THE RETIREMENT COMMITTEE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS AND POSSIBLY COME UP WITH A STRONG RECOMMENDATION. I THOUGHT THAT WAS WORTH MENTIONING. SUNRISE HUMANE SOCIETY.

WE ARE MEETING AT 1:00 AGAIN. THIS IS, AGAIN, ON THE AMENDMENT TO OUR AGREEMENT. I AM GOING TO TELL YOU THAT IT HAS CHANGED ELEMENT EVERY DAY I THINK FOR THE LAST TWO WEEKS.

BUT BECKY AND I WILL BE THERE AT THAT MEETING AND TRY TO GET THROUGH THIS ONE. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO SOME RESOLUTION. I WANT TO THANK STAFF GEB AND MR. MIMMS FOR WORKING REALLY HARD ON THIS IT PROBABLY WITH THE MOST INTERESTING BOARD I HAVE BEEN ON IN 13 YEARS.

WITH A LOT OF TURNS AND STOPS AND JUMPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT HOPEFULLY AT THE END, WE COME UP WITH A RESOLUTION OR AN AGREEMENT, AMENDMENT, THAT CAN BOTH SUPPORT THE SUNRISE HUMANE SOCIETY WHICH HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TO GET TO WHERE THEY ARE AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WHO RECOGNIZESS THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING ANIMAL FACILITY -- ANIMAL CONTROL IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND THE SERVICES IT PROVIDES FOR US CITIZENS. THAT MEETING OUGHT TO BE REALLY INTERESTING TODAY. THE ONLY OTHER THING -- TWO OTHER THINGS. ONE, QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I AM INTERESTED BY MR. JACOB WILLIAMS AND THE FMPA AND HIS RESILIENCE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION.

THIS IS NOT JUST SOMEBODY WHO SAYS THIS IS A WORLD PROBLEM.

IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM. HE HAS TAKEN IT ON AS HIS PROBLEM. MAYOR, YOU GET THE SAME INFORMATION AND IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY OTHER DAY I GET THESE UPDATES AND THE MESSAGE IS REALLY CLEAR AGAIN THAT WE HAVE THE SOLUTION HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

NATURAL GAS SHOULD NOT BE AT $9 OR $10.

WHATEVER THE UNIT IT. ANYWAY, AND I DO WANT TO GIVE THEM A SHOUT OUT BECAUSE I THINK THAT RESILIENCE IS GOING TO WIN OVER IF SEVERAL OTHER FOLKS IN HIS POSITION DO THE SAME THING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. SO MY FINAL COMMENT.

IT IS A COMMENT MORE SO. WE HEARD A LOT OF PEER CIDER WORKS. AND A DECISION THAT WE ARE MAYBE

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BUT I GO BACK TO SQUARE ONE WHEN EDGARTOWN WAS NOT THE PLACE TO BE AFTER DARK. AND I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THAT IS LIKE. YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, BUT IT WAS ALMOST A TRUE EMBARRASSMENT TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OF HOW THAT AREA CAN WAS.

I MEAN, DRUGS, PROSTITUTION AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE GOING ON IN THAT AREA. WE MADE A COMMITMENT FROM THE CITY COMMISSION AT THAT TIME TO GO IN THAT AREA AND VITAMIN PEOPLE TO BUILD THAT AREA UP TO WHAT WE HAD TODAY AND WITH THAT CAME A LOT OF GUARANTEES. SPEND YOUR MONEY.

MAKE IT YOUR RESIDENTIAL HOME. WE WILL HELP PROTECT IT.

IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD. WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT STUFF.

AND NOW, WE ARE ASKED TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE SOME OF THE ORDINANCES THAT WOULD ALLOW SOME TIME OF AN IMPACT TO -- TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I AM SAYING THAT.

I LOOK TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO TELL ME THAT THIS IS OKAY FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT. I AM LOOKING TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO SAY, YEAH, WE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND IT ADDS A CERTAIN BENEFIT AND AS SIT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND WE REALLY WANT THAT TYPE OF THIS I THINK TO HAPPEN.

THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. WHAT HAPPENED IS, IT WAS DONE WITHOUT PERMISSION. IT CREATED A LOT OF BAD WILL.

YOU KNOW, THE ARMY HAVE SET UP A LINE.

AND BOTH SIDES WENT TO EACH SIDE.

AND NOW IT IS ALL THROWN TO THIS COMMISSION TO MAKE SOME FORM OF A DECISION THAT IS GOING TO UPSET SOMEBODY.

AND I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE REMEMBER HOW T IF PIER CIDER WORKS WANT TO CHANGE THEIR ATTITUDE AND GET IN THE COMMUNITY AND SAY LET'S WORK OUT A SOLUTION AND COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH AN AGREEMENT THAT WE BOTH CAN AGREE TO.

THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE IN THIS BOOK.

THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE. NOT YOU GUYS ASSERT YOUR AUTHORITY AND CHANGE WHAT WE HAVE SAID -- WE PROMISED WE WOULD PROTECT. I AM COMFORTED EVERY TIME I HEAR THIS. I UNDER STAND WHERE I AM COMING FROM. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT THEY SAY THAT MUSIC SHOULD BE AMPLIFIED IN CERTAIN AREAS.

AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. A BENEFIT TO THE YOUTH OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE MUSICIANS, THE FOOD SERVERS, THE -- EVERYBODY ELSE BENEFITS. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE AT HAND.

GET OUT TO THERE AND FIX THE PROBLEM, REACH ACROSS THERE.

COME UP WITH SOME IDEAS. STOP IT AT 9:00, DO SOMETHING TO HELP SOUND DEADEN IT SO IT DOESN'T BLOW INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT YOU GUYS -- THEY CAN FIX IT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE FIXED. IF YOU ARE GOING TO THROW IT AT THE CITY COMMISSION AND I AM SITTING RIGHT HERE, I AM NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME OF THE WORK. WE CAN'T FIX IT.

ANYWAY, JUST MY THOUGHTS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WELL, I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THEM. ABSOLUTELY.

BECAUSE IT'S -- A WORRISOME THING.

IT HANGS OUT THERE, AND -- IT -- IT SEEMS LIKE HAS TO BE A RESOLUTION IN THE MAKING SOMEWHERE.

A AND.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: THEY HOLD THE SOLUTION.

THEY REALLY DO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THEY HOLD THE CARDS. COMMISSIONERC. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL BE BRIEF.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: UNLIKE ME.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WON'T TOUCH THAT ONE -- YET.

FIRE BOARD. WE ARE GOING THROUGH OUR BUDGET HEARINGS. WE HAVE ONE MORE FIRE BOARD BUDGET HEARING TO COME BEFORE US.

BUT THE FIRE BOARD IS MAINTAINING THE RESPECTIVE MILLAGE I THINK OF 3.0 RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE DID HAVE A FEW PEOPLE TO SHOW UP THERE, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT LOOKING AT WHAT IS FORECASTED TO COME FOR THE FIRE BOARD AND THE NUMBER OF EXPANSIONS AND NEW FIRE STATIONS AND NEW EQUIPMENT. VERY ASTONISHING TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THE BURDEN WILL BE FELT.

THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING HASLER GONE UP AND WE HAVE TO HAVE EMERGENCY SERVICES IN OUR COUNTY AND OUR CITY, SO WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT WITH THE FIRE BOARD.

AND TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL.

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>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MEETING IN OCTOBER.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GETTING OFF THE SUMMER INTO THE

FALL KICK OF THINGS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

GAINES, DO YOU WANT TO GO NEXT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, I CAN, MADAM MAYOR. THE MEETING OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS MET LAST WEDNESDAY AND WE HAD OUR LEGISLATORS FROM TALLAHASSEE THERE. THEY DIDN'T SEND A REPRESENTATIVE, THEY AND THEMSELVES, ALL OF THEM.

AND THE MAYOR DISCUSSION WAS AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE HOUSING.

THEY ARE -- THEY LOOK FOR US FOR NOT ANSWERS BUT CONCERNS AND PROBLEMS TO TAKE BACK TO TALLAHASSEE TO SEE WHAT CAN BE DONE. THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED IN OUR MEETING WITH THE LOCAL HOUSING AUTHORITY.

WHEN I SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAD MET WITH THEM AND THE MANAGER FROM HUD AND TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE PROJECTS THEY HAD AROUND THE STATE, THEY WERE VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHEN THAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. WHEN WE WERE GOING TO VISIT SOME OF THE STATES AND ACTUALLY HAD SOME OF THE CITIES THAT WERE THERE WHAT THEIR STATES WERE SO THEY MAY WANT TO GO SEE TOO.

THAT IS HOW THAT MEETING WAS. JUST A QUESTION AND ANSWER DISCUSSION-TYPE THROWING IT OUT THERE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN TO DO TRY TO ATTACK THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING FROM ALL THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TOGETHER. SO THAT'S THAT MEETING.

RETIREMENT BOARD. I MISSED THE LAST MEETING.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WAS -- BECAUSE I WAS SOMEWHERE.

I DID TAKE MY FIRST ONLINE CERTIFICATION STEP THAT YOU GUYS -- THAT I HAVE TO TAKE AND I AM REGISTERED TO DO THE COURSE.

I AM REGISTERED TO DO THE COURSE FOR MY FIRST LEVEL OF -- WHATEVER, CERTIFICATION, WHATEVER IT IS.

I WILL BE THERE. I WILL THERE THURSDAY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE MEETING. AN INTERESTING MEETING TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THE COLAS. HE THINKS THEY ARE NEEDED WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THE WHOLE FUND.

SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT. AND DURING THE CERTIFICATION.

COMMISSIONER PERONA DIDN'T TELL ME THERE WAS A TEST AFTER THE CERTIFICATION. HE SAID YOU AND THE CHAIRMAN SAY

GO ONLINE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON:

SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU THE NOTES. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: IF I PASSED IT, YOU WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: GO TO THE CLASSES AND SIT THERE AND READING THE DOCUMENTS AND I AM LIKE -- THIS TEST AT THE END IN WAIT A MINUTE. I WILL BE READY FOR IT.

I WILL BE READY FOR THE TEST. I THINK THAT IS IN OCTOBER.

AND THE ONE CONFLICTS WITH THAT IS, THE COMMISSION MEETING -- THERE WAS A COMMISSION MEETING DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME WE GET OUT, I MAY TRY TO COME BACK AND RUN BACK UP.

BUT I AM STARTING THAT -- STARTING YOUR CERTIFICATION.

SO LINCOLN PARK, MAIN STREET. YOU EVER MR. CARUTHERS DID A GREAT PRESENTATION LAST WEEK WITH THE -- WITH THE PLACARDS.

ANOTHER THING THAT I AM MEETING WITH HER AND SOMEBODY SOMETIMES.

I THINK IT IS WESTERN. WE HAVE A SITUATION WHERE -- I TOLD THEM MADAM MARE TO SPEAK TO YOU OF THIS.

WHERE THEY HAD A -- A FORMER WAR HERO, SOMEBODY THAT -- PRIVATE

POINDEXTER. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALREADY HELPED

HIM. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: PRIVATE POINDEXTER. WAS IT VIETNAM -- HE WAS KILLED IN VIETNAM. BROUGHT BACK TO FORT PIERCE.

HE WASN'T ALLOWED TO BE BURIED IN A CEMETERY IN FORT PIERCE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: DURING THE TIME OF RACHEL SEGREGATION. THE FAMILY HAS ALLOW -- RACIAL SEGREGATION. THE FAMILY IS ALLOWING US TO GO BACK AND MAKE IT RIGHT. THEY TALKED OF A LITTLE PRESS RELEASE. I SAID, GUYS, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, LET'S GO IN AND SEE IF WE CAN UPGRADE THE GRAVE SITE. UPGRADE --

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM. THEY HAVE A LITTLE CEREMONY OR

SOMETHING. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: A LITTLE CEREMONY AND DO SOMETHING. YOU KNOW -- THE CONGRESSMAN IS ON BOARD AND I AM LIKE, GUYS, AND I SAY THIS AND I WILL SAY THIS NOW AND SAID IT IN THE MEETING.

IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR. IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR.

AND THIS AND HISTORY -- IT IS HISTORY TRYING TO RIGHT A WRONG.

AND WE NEED TO REACH OUT. JUST DON'T KEEP IT INTO THIS LITTLE -- THIS LITTLE COMMUNITY THERE ARE LITTLE AREA, YOU KNOW, THIS LITTLE GROUP. LET'S GET OUT AND MAKE IT A BIG DEAL IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT RIGHT.

AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REMEMBER, HERNSTEN, HER GRAVE

SAT THERE FOR YEARS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: UNIDENTIFIED.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: UNTIL SOMEBODY SAID, THAT'S WHO? NOW YOU GO TO HER GRAVE SITE. IT IS BEAUTIFUL.

FOR A GRAVE SITE, YOU WALK IN -- SO I THREW THAT OUT THERE.

THEY SAID LET'S THINK -- LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

SO, MADAM MAYOR YOU MIGHT GET ANOTHER CALL SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND THE COMMISSIONERS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TO MAKE IT RIGHT IN FORT PIERCE.

AS YOU KNOW, THE HOMELESS TASK FORCE.

WE HAVE NOT MET YET, BUT LAST CITY MEETING, YOU APPOINTED ME ON THAT BOARD AND WAITING FOR THAT TO START BACK UP.

SAME THING WITH THE COUNCIL OF AGING.

SUMMERTIME AND WE ARE ABOUT TO START MEETING.

THAT IS MY UPDATES. I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS RIGHTS NOW TO MYSELF. SO -- THERE IS STUFF THAT I CAN SAY, THIS MORNING HAS BEEN LONG. AND I WILL WAIT UNTIL THAT TIME COMES WHERE -- WHERE WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE ISSUES.

SO, MADAM MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SFLACH COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: TDC. A FRONT NOW MAYBE NEXT WEEK -- I

WILL HAVE TO CHECK THE CALENDAR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND LOOK AT THE CALENDAR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: EVERY DAY.

THE CHAMBER, LEADERSHIP APPLICATIONS FOR THE 40TH CLASS.

IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPONSOR OR GO YOURSELF, BUT THAT IS HAPPRIGHT NOW. THEY ARE LOOKING IN THE NEXT MONTH TO FULFILL THAT NEXT LEADERSHIP CLASS WHICH IS A GREAT THING. I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN AND THEY

GO ALL OVER THE PLACE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THAT YOU FIND OUT WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU FIND OUTS.

DIALING INTO DOWNTOWN AND MAIN STREET.

EDGARTOWN HAS A COMMUNITY MEETING IN CASE YOU ARE NOT AWARE. I HAVE OPINION FOLLOWING ALONG WITH THEM. THE MEETING IS TOMORROW EVENING AND THEY WERE HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING TOMORROW.

MR. MIMMS, I THINK AT ONE POINT, THEY WERE WANTING TO TALK TO STAFF OR YOURSELF OR SOMETHING ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE DESIGN WORK. 30% OR 60% OR 90% OR WHATEVER WITH THE DRAINAGE AND SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS WITH EDGARTOWN.

SO IF THERE WAS SOME INFORMATION I CAN HELP PASS ON THERE, THANK YOU FOR THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT WAS PASSED ALONG.

LET'S SEE. COMBINE A LITTLE BIT OF MAIN STREET IN THE DBA. A LOT OF EVENTS HAPPENING WITHIN BOTH OF THOSE OVER THIS FALL SEASON INTO THE WINTER SEASON.

PROBABLY BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT OUR COMMITTEES AGAIN.

THE DBA IS HAVING THEIR OKTOBERFEST, THE FIRST WEEKEND IN OCTOBER. THEY ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROGRAM WITH FREEBIE. A LOT OF BUZZ WITH THEM.

THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR PRESENTING THAT AND AT LEAST TALKING ABOUT IT. THEY ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE OF PUBLIC WORKS FOR THE WORKS THAT THEY DO AFTER EVENTS AND JUST HELPING THEM GET ORGANIZED, BARRICADES, ALL OF THE ABOVE.

I TALKED TO SOME OF THEIR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS AND THEY JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.

MAIN STREET. THE GHOST WALK IS COMING UP.

THE REVERSE RAFFLE, GOLF TOURNAMENT.

SANDY SHOES IS BEING TOSSED AROUND.

A BUSY WEEKEND MARCH 18. OF COURSE THE PLANNING STARTED FOR THAT ALREADY BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE COMBINING IT WITH DBA BECAUSE THAT WILL PROBABLY BE A BIG WEEKEND WITH -- WITH ST. PATRICK'S DAY. SO I AM SURE THAT A LOT GOING ON. AND THEN ONE UNIQUE THING THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL. FRIDAY FEST IS GOING WELL, AND ACTUALLY IT HAS TURNED AROUND FROM THE -- YOU CAN SEE THE SHIFT FROM SUMMER TO THE FALL SEASON.

BUT THEY ARE TALKING TO SOME INDIVIDUALS ABOUT MAYBE GETTING PERMITTED THROUGH THE FAA FOR HELICOPTER RIDES.

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I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY WILL HAVE ALL OF THE LOGISTICS.

GOT TO BE SAFE AND SECURE, BUT -- WELL -- SO -- SO BECAUSE OF OUR APPLICATION WITH OUR SEAPLANE BASE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE AN UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY IF IT WORKS, KNOW, TALKING TO LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT. TALK AGO TO THE FAA.

A LOT HAS TO BE COORDINATED. BUT WHY NOT.

WHY NOT. SFUR TALKING ABOUT SEAPLANES COMING IN AND TALKING OF ADDING SOMETHING UNIQUE AND FOLKS DON'T GET A AERIAL OF THEIR LITTLE CITY.

MAYBE THAT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY FOR THE LOCAL LOCAL RIDE FOR 10 MINUTES OR 15 MINUTES, AND A BIRDS-EYE VIEW.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: WHAT DRONES ARE FOR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU NEED A DRONE LICENSE WITHIN CERTAIN RADIUS OF AIRPORT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY COOL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU THINK THE EDGARTOWN MEETING WITH P

PIER CIDER WORKS ISSUE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SEVERAL MEETINGS. I CAN'T GO TO IT -- THE FPR MEETING -- I NOTIFIED THEM THAT I WOULDN'T MAKE IT DEPENDING ON WHAT TIME. THEY ARE IN THE SAME ROOM

TALKING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I WAS THINKING THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THAT COMMISSIONER% WAS BRINGING UP.

I AM SURE THEY DON'T WANT TO BUT THE OTHER THING THEY WILL.

AND ONE HER THING I FORGET TO MENTION.

COFFEE WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER ON MAIN STREET.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: COFFEE WITH THE COMMISSIONER.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE REASON IS I AM ON THE LAND USE AND ECONOMIC POLICY COMMITTEE FOR THE TRESH INTERESTTURE COAST -- FOR THE -- TREASURE COAST AND FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND I AM CHAIR. AS CHAIR, I CAN'T MISS IT.

I APPRECIATE YOU COVERING FOR ME.

I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT FPUA. THEY ARE HAVING COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS. THEY ARE HAVING FOUR.

AND THEY ARE TALKING OF ALL THINGS FPUA AND ALSO CONSERVATION. SO THE TWO -- THEY HAD TWO ALREADY. AND THE TWO LEFT ARE OCTOBER 1 AT THE UP CENTER AND OCTOBER 15 AT INK.

GETTING READY TO START AT THE FIBER NETWORK AND SUSPENDED DISCONNECTS AND LATE FEES AND TEMPORARILY.

AND -- AND THEY ARE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO GO ON BUDGET BILLING.

I WENT ON BUDGET BILLING AND I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE.

25% OF CUSTOMERS ARE ON BUDGET BILLING AND REALLY A HELP BECAUSE I WENT ON IT MYSELF. AND -- SO, FMIT IS A MEETING NEXT SEPTEMBER 20 AND # 1ST. AND I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRE DISTRICT ONLY -- IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU SAID, COMMISSIONER. THE FIRE CHIEF HAS ISSUED A LETTER ABOUT THE MULCH FIRE THAT IS IN THE TRADITION AREA OUT THERE. AND SO, IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT FIRE TO CONTAIN PAUSE IT IS -- BECAUSE IT IS UNDERGROUND AND ALMOST LIKE WE HAVE TO WEAR IT DOWN.

IT IS GOING TO BE A WHILE. A NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SMOKE AND THE DAMAGE OF THE SMOKE, AND IT IS -- THERE -- THE -- THE FLORIDA FOREST SERVICE SP INVOLVED.

AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE IS INVOLVED.

AND SO I DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT THE FIRE DISTRICT IS NOT DOING WHAT THEY CAN. THEY HAVE DONE WHAT THEY CAN.

AND THIS HAS GOT TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS HANDLED BY THE FOREST SERVICE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE.

AND FORTUNATE -- I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TOO MUCH PROBLEM HERE BUT THE TRADITION IN THE PORT ST. LUCIE AREA HAS THE PROBLEM.

ALSO TALKING ABOUT -- I WASN'T THERE FOR YOUR MEETING THAT CAME IN LATE FOR THE TREASURE COAST COUNCIL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

I HAD A MEETING AFTER THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TALKED OF PROPERTY INSURANCE, BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU I WAS BEEN DROPPED FROM MY PROPERTY INSURER BECAUSE I AM LEAVING THE STATE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS -- DID YOU TALK ABOUT THAT? YEAH. SO MY -- I AM GOING TO HAVE TO FIND MORE PROPERTY INSURANCE AND THAT WILL BE HAPPENING TO OTHER PEOPLE TOO, I THINK. SO -- AND I WANT TO JUST SAY

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AND YOU CAN REGISTER ONLINE. AND YOU CAN GET SUPPLIES.

YOU CAN CLEAN UP WITH A GROUP OR BY YOURSELF AND WHATEVER, AND I HAD PEOPLE APPROACH ME SAYING THEY WANT TO BRING TEAMS AND SIGN UP AND REGISTER. SO -- WE STARTED DOING THAT IN THE PANDEMIC WITH KEEP FORT PIERCE BEAUTIFUL NOT ALLOWING PEOPLE TO COME TO ONE PLACE AND GATHER AND CLEAN WHEREVER THEY ARE, AND HAS SEEN A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT AND A LOT OF ENCOURAGEMENT. SO I THINK THAT IS ALL FOR ALL MY COMMITTEES. SO IF NOTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER, I WOULD LIKE TO STAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ADJOURNING. IF EVERYBODY WILL MOVE OUT OF THE

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