[a. Quasi-Judicial Hearing Review and approval of an application for a Site Plan (Development and Design Review) with a Conditional Use to construct an approximately 78,408 square foot closed-roof Water Reclamation Facility development with one (1) administration and maintenance building, open-roof processing, pump stations, aqua basins, storage tanks and ponds, chlorine tanks and basins, and associated site improvements at or near 4515 Energy Lane in Fort Pierce, Florida, more specifically located at Parcel Control Number: 2431-422-0001-000-3.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

WE HAVE A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SITE PLAN WITH A CONDITIONAL USE TO CONSTRUCT AN APPROXIMATELY 78,408 SQUARE FOOT CLOSED ROOF WATER RE RECLAMATION FACILITY DEVELOPMENT WITH ONE ADMINISTRATION AND MAINTENANCE BUILDING, OPEN ROOF PROCESSING, PUMP STATIONS, AQUA BASINS, STORAGE TANK AND PONDS, AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT OR NEAR 4515 ENERGY LANE IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.

>> OUR CITY ATTORNEY WILL READ OUR GUIDELINES FOR

QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS. >> WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE

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BODY, THE CONDITION ENGAGES IN LAW-MAKING ACTIVITIES BY PASSING LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICIES. WHEN ACTING AS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY, THE COMMISSION APPLIES LAWS AND POLICIES AND IS HELD TO STRICTER STANDARDS OF PROCEDURE. QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS ARE LESS FORMAL THAN A CIRCUIT COURT, BUT MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. THEY MUST FOLLOW DUE PROCESS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

THEREFORE COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE DUTY TO CONDUCT THE PROCEEDINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATORS.

FINALLY NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION DURING THE HEARING. IF DOCUMENTS REPUBLIC GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT-AT-ARMS WHO IS ONE OF THE UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. MADAME CLERK, HAVE WE MET THE NOTICE AND ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WOULD YOU ASK ABOUT EX PARTE

COMMUNICATIONS? >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM WITH THE -- >> OH.

>> SO YOU TWO MET WITH FPUA? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON?

>> IN PARTICULAR FOR THIS PLAN OR THIS INFORMATION HERE?

>> YES. >> I DIDN'T MEET TO DISCUSS

THIS, NO. >> THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER PERONA? >> NO, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

WITH THE FPAU. I ALSO WATCHED A PLANNING BOARD MEETING TOO. NOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN

THE WITNESSES? >> SURE, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

JUST IN CASE. >> JUST IN CASE.

>> IT WILL SPEED UP THE PROCESS. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

THANK YOU. >> YOU MAY PROCEED.

THERE ARE SOME RELUCTANT SWORN-IN WITNESSES OUT THERE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE YOU IS A SITE PLAN FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE FORT PIERCE WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY TO BE LOCATED AT 4515 ENERGY LANE.

SUBJECT PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 05.23 ACRES.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MOVE THE CURRENT FPUA WASTE WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY TO THE MAINLAND LOCATION AT 4515 ENERGY LANE. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS OFFICIAL LAND USE OF INDUSTRIAL WITH LIGHT INDUSTRIAL I-ONE. SITE PLAN INCLUDES APPROXIMATELY 78,408 SQUARE FOOT CLOSED ROOF WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY, ONE ADMINISTRATION AND MAINTENANCE BUILDING, OPEN ROOF PROCESSING, PUMP STATIONS, AQUA BASINS, STORAGE TANKS AND PONDS AND CHLORINE TANKS AND BASINS, IT ALSO INCLUDES SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS IS A SITE DATA CHART WHICH IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS AS FOLLOWS AND SHALL INCLUDE NINE CREPE MYRTLES, GROUND COVERS PROPOSED FOR THE SITE INCLUDE ARGENTINE, AND THEY ALSO PLAN TO INSTALL NEW IRRIGATION. BEFORE YOU IS THE NORTH ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

THERE'S AN EAST ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

THIS IS A WEST ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 12, 2022, MEETING THEY VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH TWO ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS FROM THE TWO THAT STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH FOUR CONDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE, A COMPLETION CERTIFICATION BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, COST ESTIMATED LANDSCAPE BOND PRUDENT TO 123-6 SHALL BE ACQUIRED BEFORE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED. THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A

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TREE MITIGATION SURVEY FOR REQUIRED MITIGATION OF ANY CITY-REGULATED TREES PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.

AND NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FOUR WERE CONDITIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.

NUMBER THREE, INSTALL A GREEN VINYL-COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND THE PERIMETER. AND NUMBER FOUR, PROVIDE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT EXHIBITS LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND ADHERES TO THE CITY CODE 123-27 GENERAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS. POSSIBLE ACTIONS TO CITY COMMISSION ARE APPROVAL, APPROVAL WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU.

>>. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> THE LAST TWO CONDITIONS YOU SAID WERE ADDED AND/OR DISCUSSED

BE I -- BY THE PLANNING BOARD? >> CORRECT.

>> WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL AS FAR AS A BARRIER OR PERIMETER FENCING? WAS THERE ONE?

>> NO, JUST LANDSCAPING. THE PLANNING BOARD FELT AS THOUGH THAT THE LANDSCAPING WAS, DIDN'T MEET OUR REQUIRED STANDARDS IN WHAT WE NORMALLY REQUIRE OF APPLICANTS.

BUT THAT WAS THE LANDSCAPE PORTION?

>> YES. >> AND THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSE

WAS WHAT? >> THE APPLICANT I DON'T THINK THEY DID RESPOND SUBSTANTIALLY. THEY WERE GOING TO GO AWAY AND

ADDRESS THOSE SITUATIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, LATER ON MAYBE

THEY CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> JUST TO FOLLOW UP, THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS INCORPORATED THE PLANNING BOARDS?

>> CORRECT. >> THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN, SOMETIMES YOU DO, AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T.

AM I REMEMBERING THAT RIGHT? >> I THINK STAFF SHOULD ALWAYS BRING FORWARD THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND NOT ALWAYS THE CASE, I THINK THOSE ARE INCORPORATED INTO STAFF'S FINAL RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT WE THINK THESE TWO WERE

QUITE IMPORTANT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I THINK WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THEM, BUT I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES YOU DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> JUST GOING BACK TO NUMBER FOUR ON THE LANDSCAPING, SO DID THE CONVERSATION GET TO ANY OF THE PERIMETERS, ANY LOCATIONS? BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY BEING INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE ABUTS AND BORDERS A RAILROAD TRACK. TALK TO ME ABOUT THE BORDERS.

>> I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD WERE VERY CONCERNED, MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BOUNDARY WHICH CONNECTED THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST, TO THE WATER TREATMENT PLANT. I THINK THAT WAS WE DO HAVE AN APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AT THAT SIDE.

THOSE OWNERS DID EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS DIRECTLY TO STAFF.

AND I THINK THAT IT'S A VALID CONCERN THAT THE INVESTMENT IS

NOT DISRUPTED. >> RIGHT I ASK THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS BECAUSE IN MY CONVERSATIONS, IT MAKES SENSE, WE HAVE TO PUT A PRACTICAL SENSE TO THIS.

WHEN WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST OF US WHICH WE KNOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A CUL-DE-SAC, RIGHT.

THIS IS THE END OF THE ROAD AND WE HAVE OTHER NEIGHBORS TO WORRY ABOUT, WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

SO OUR INVESTMENT SHOULD BE MORE FOCUSED ON THOSE FRONTAGES THAT MAKE SENSE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE OTHER THING THAT CAME TO MY MIND WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT WHAT KIND OF LANDSCAPE ARE WE CHOOSING, WHILE OUR CODE MIGHT GET SPECIFIC OR NOT VERY SPECIFIC IN THE LANDSCAPE STYLE OR TYPE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THE APPLICANT'S NEED, PRESENTATION, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT NATURAL DISASTERS, WE'RE WITNESSING OUR SISTER CITIES ON THE WEST COAST GOING THROUGH THIS AND WE DON'T WANT TO CAUSE ANY ADVERSE EFFECTS.

THIS IS A WATER TREATMENT PLANT AND WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO

AFFECT IT DURING OTHER EVENTS. >> ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS IS ACTUALLY THE TREASURE COAST ENERGY CENTER, ISN'T THAT CORRECT? TO THE SOUTH.

WHICH IS BASICALLY IN THE SAME BUSINESS AND IT'S THE SAME

OWNERS IN ESSENCE. >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT.

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>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

EVERYBODY WAS SWORN IN. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEAK BUT

YOU CAN SAY HI. >> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

>> IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD, SIR.

I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. GO AHEAD.

IDENTIFY YOURSELF. >> I'M THE DIRECTOR OF WATER AND

WASTE WATER. >> AND YOU WERE SWORN IN?

>> I WAS SWORN IN. >> GO AHEAD.

PROCEED. >> SO AS I SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE HARD WORK. THIS HAS BEEN A VERY FAST PROJECT. AS YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN MOVING THROUGH THE STEPS VERY QUICKLY. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE OUT THERE BY NEXT MONTH. SO THE APPROVAL OF THIS IS VERY VALUABLE FOR US. IT'S ACTUALLY THE LAST PIECE OF THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS THAT WE NEED BEFORE WE CAN GET MOVING. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.

AS FAR AS EVERYTHING GOES, THE SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS, NUMBER THREE, A CHAIN-LINK FENCE WAS ALWAYS INCLUDED.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS VERY CLEARLY DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN. SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE AT ALL.

THE LANDSCAPING, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON AND I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE ALLUDING TO.

THE ONE SIDE ON THE WEST IS A RAILROAD TRACK.

THE SIDE ON THE NORTH, THERE'S A CANAL THAT'S HEAVILY WOODED.

AND THEN THERE'S ALSO A CONCRETE BATCH PLANT AND THEN OUR BORDER TO THE SOUTH IS THE TREASURE COAST ENERGY CENTER.

THIS WILL BE THE SECOND -- PROCESS FACILITY IN THE UNITED STATES. THE FIRST ONE IS UP IN ALABAMA THAT WE VISITED. IT'S A MUCH SMALLER PLANT THAN OURS. BUT YET THERE ARE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT VISIT THAT.

AT LEAST EVERY WEEK SOMEONE IS VISITING THAT PLANT.

SO WITH THIS BEING A LARGER PLANT AND BEING ABLE TO TAKE SOME OF THE LESSONS THAT WERE LEARNED FROM THAT PLANT AS WELL, THIS PLANT WILL BE VISITED QUITE A BIT AS WELL.

IT IS OUR GOAL TO HAVE A VERY NICE LOOKING ENTRANCE, NICE LANDSCAPE WALLS, ALL OF THAT, GATES, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO LOOK REALLY GOOD, FLAGPOLES, THE ADMIN BUILDING.

IN ALL OF OUR STRUCTURES THE PLAN IS TO GO WITH A STRUCK BLOCK LOOK, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD AT JC PARK.

AND THAT'S FOR AESTHETICS AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE.

THE MAINTENANCE ON THE BUILDING AS YOU PRESSURE CLEAN IT EVERY TEN YEARS. THAT'S WHAT WE LIKE TO DO.

THE LANDSCAPE ISSUE ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT'S ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO THE AESTHETICS OF THE SITE. AND WE FULLY INTEND TO DO THAT TO FULL CODE, MAYBE EVEN A LITTLE BIT BEYOND CODE.

THE OTHER LANDSCAPING ON SITE IS A LITTLE BIT PROBLEMATIC AS FAR AS WHAT YOU CAN DO. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WANT TO PLANT OAK TREES AROUND ALL OF YOUR UNDERGROUND PROCESS PIPING.

THAT WOULD BE MORE LIKE SOME PALM TREES WITH SOME SOFT ROOTS.

OUR GOAL HERE IS TO BUILD A FACILITY THAT WHEN HURRICANE IAN OR A HURRICANE MICHAEL COMES HERE, OUR MAINTENANCE IS PICKING UP SOME PALM FRONDS. WE ARE PLANNING ON BUILDING A FACILITY THAT WILL SERVE OUR COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. HUTCHINSON? SO I KNOW, I WATCHED THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED. THEY WANTED THE FPUA TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY FOLLOWED THE SAME LANDSCAPING RULES AND IT WASN'T VERY CLEAR I GUESS AS A RESULT OF THAT.

>> YES, IT WOULD BE OUR DESIRE TO ONLY LANDSCAPE THE EAST SIDE IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMISSION.

I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE OTHER CONCERNS, OTHER THINGS YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE OUR

REQUEST. >> ALL RIGHTY.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON YOUR TEAM WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK?

>> WE HAD OUR TECHNICAL EXPERTS HERE FROM OUR ENGINEERING TEAM THAT CAN ANSWER ANY REAL TECHNICAL QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. AND MR. CISNEROS, DID HE LEAVE?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> SO YOU MENTIONED THE NORTH

PROPERTY LINE. >> YEAH.

>> SO THERE'S A CANAL THERE. THERE'S A BATCH PLANT NORTH OF THAT. YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT NATURAL VEGETATION AND/OR JUST EXISTING VEGETATION THERE.

ARE YOU NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT PROPERTY LINE TOO, TOO MUCH JUST WITH THE FENCING ONLY. OR WHAT IS YOUR PLAN ON THAT NORTH PROPERTY LINE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER IF

NEEDED? >> THE NORTH ST. LUCY RIVER CONTROL DISTRICT THEY OWN THAT RIVER ON THE ADJOINING SIDES.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CANAL, THERE IS AN ACCESS ROAD, IT'S AN OLD HAUL ROAD THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED DURING THE

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CONSTRUCTION WITH THE ENERGY CENTER.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO USE THAT TO KEEP THE TRAFFIC OFF OF ENERGY LANE WITH THE DUMP TRUCKS COMING IN.

AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT CANAL, I BELIEVE THE OTHER PART OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE CANAL ITSELF IS VERY HEAVILY WOODED. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, THERE'S NO PLAN TO GET INTO ANY OF THAT NATURAL VEGETATION ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PLANT.

>> IS THERE EXISTING VEGETATION ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY AS WELL ALONG THAT CANAL? OR DOES NORTH ST. LUCIE HAVE A

MAINTENANCE SHELF? >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING REAL SIGNIFICANT ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CANAL.

THAT'S WHERE THE HAUL ROAD AND THE MAINTENANCE ROAD IS.

ON THE NORTH SIDE, ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE CANAL FROM US IS WHERE THERE WOULD BE MORE NATURAL VEGETATION.

>> OKAY, SO IT'S HEAVILY WOODED ON THAT BACK PLANT SIDE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO UTILIZE THAT ROADWAY YOU SAID FOR

CONSTRUCTION? >> YES, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT. HAS NORTH ST. LUCIE PROVIDED ANY

INPUT? >> THEY APPROVED OUR PERMIT.

>> THEY'LL EVEN LET US USE IT PERMANENTLY IF WE WANT TO.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING THAT, THERE ARE OTHER TRAFFIC CONCERNS BUT IT WILL HELP WITH THE CONSTRUCTION.

THE ENTIRE SIDE HAS TO COME UP FOUR FEET.

THAT'S A LOT OF DUMP TRUCKS, CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT.

AND THIS IS ALL HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE REST OF THE PARK IS BEING DEVELOPED AS WELL. SO THE LAST THING THAT WE WANT TO DO IS COME IN THERE AND BE TEARING UP A BRAND NEW ROAD.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO STAY OFF OF THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

>> SO LET'S MOVE TO THE WEST SIDE.

GLADE'S CUT OFF RIGHT-OF-WAY, THERE'S ALSO A RAILROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. DO THOSE TWO TOUCH?

>> I BELIEVE THEY DO TOUCH. >> CAN WE SEE THE SITE PLAN?

>> ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THERE'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT BUFFER THERE TOO, A NATURAL BUFFER.

THERE' ALSO A DITCH THAT'S THERE AS WELL.

SO THAT'S A FAIRLY WIDE RAILROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY.

I'M NOT SURE HOW LIGHT IT IS, BUT IT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

>> I'M JUST THINKING, AND THIS IS UNIQUE IN NATURE, THIS IS WHY I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT'S INDUSTRIAL AND ALSO THE TYPE OF PROCESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE HERE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THAT RAILROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY IS.

BUT I IMAGINE IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.

IN YOUR OPINION IS IT BIG ENOUGH TO DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE IF THE RAILROAD LEFT? I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR LANDSCAPE, AND IF PROPERTY AND WE HAD TO LOOK AT

OTHER PARAMETERS OF DEVELOPMENT. >> I UNDERSTAND.

IT'S A STRIP OF LAND THAT'S HEAVILY WOODED RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ENOUGH AREA THERE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ANY CONSTRUCTION. RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GLADE'S HIGHWAY, I THINK JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER TO THE SOUTH OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE LANDFILL. I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL USE THAT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE OVERPASS. SO THE FEAR OF HAVING ANOTHER INCOMPATIBLE NEIGHBOR ON THE WEST SIDE IS LOW.

>> MAKES SENSE. SO YOUR REQUEST IS BEEF UP THE LANDSCAPING ON THE EAST SIDE, BE FRIENDLIER TO THE NEIGHBORS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT, WITHIN THE INDUSTRIAL PARK ALONG ENERGY LANE IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT.

AND WORK THIS COMMISSION AND THE STAFF TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

THAT'S WHAT I HEAR. >> THAT IS ACCURATE, COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER MEMBER OF YOUR TEAM WHO'S GOING TO SPEAK, I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND GIVE US YOUR VIEWS ON THIS SITUATION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, ANY LAST MINUTE ANYTHING? OKAY, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> WITH THE CONDITIONS?

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MAYOR, ONE MORE QUESTION.

ON THE MOTION JUST TO MAKE SURE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD THAT EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT WAS PART OF YOUR

MOTION? >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> SO MODIFYING THE LANDSCAPING? OKAY. COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> HOLD ON. YOU SAID MODIFYING THE

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LANDSCAPE, COULD YOU PUT THE CONDITIONS UP, PLEASE, THAT YOU HAVE. IF I MAY, MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR. >> I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THAT THE MAJORITY OF LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED WOULD BE INSTALLED ON THE EASTERN BOUNDARY WHICH IS THE BOUNDARY CLOSEST TO THE COMMERCE PARK.

AND THE VARIETY AND NATURE OF THAT LANDSCAPING WILL BE DESIGNED WITH EMERGENCY RECOVERY IN MIND OR HURRICANE IMPACT

POTENTIAL IN MIND. >> MADAME MAYOR, SO BASED ON THAT, THE WAY I READ AND UNDERSTAND THIS POINT NUMBER FOUR IS WHATEVER SITE PLAN WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BASED ON OUR CODE. SO SOMEONE FROM STAFF IS GOING TO LOOK AT THAT BASED ON OUR CODE AND PROVIDE ON THIS SITE PLAN WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPING.

>> YES, AND ACTUALLY I'M LOOKING AT CONDITION NUMBER FOUR, IT'S REQUESTING A LANDSCAPE PLAN. THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL BE REVIEWED BY OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT MAY BE INVOLVED. BUT IF YOU ALL WANT TO PUT IN ANOTHER CONDITION ABOUT I GUESS THE RECONFIGURATION OF THAT LANDSCAPE PLAN, I THINK NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO

ACCOMPLISHMENT THAT. >> SO MADAME MAYOR, I'M GOING TO WITHDRAW MY MOTION. I WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE CLEAR GOING FORWARD, THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL APPLICATION THAT'S SPECIALIZED AND IF WE NEED TO GIVE THAT DIRECTION TO STAFF, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT IS.

SO I'M GOING TO REMOVE MY MOTION.

>> SO I THINK I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.

MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS PLAN WITH THE FOUR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS THAT WE SEE IN FRONT OF US.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE FINAL SITE PLAN COME BACK BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL BASED ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR AND GETTING FINAL APPROVAL OF THAT.

SO IT GIVES US ONE MORE LOOK AT THE FINAL SITE PLAN THAT WOULD BE APPROVED FOR THE LANDSCAPING, BECAUSE THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL AND THERE OBVIOUSLY WILL BE SOME ADJUSTMENT THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED ON OUR SITE PLAN THAT WOULD BE OUTSIDE OR WITHIN OUR CURRENT CONFIGURATION FOR THIS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> MADAME MAYOR, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT PROBABLY ALREADY HAS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH THEM I MEAN WITH SOME HELP WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ORDAIN THAT TONIGHT SO WE CAN SKIP THAT STEP IS PROBABLY WHERE I WOULD RATHER BE.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT GOING FORWARD, BUT AGAIN I LOOK AT THIS AS A SPECIAL APPLICATION FOR AN INDUSTRIAL SITE THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAVE, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN THE CENTER OF TOWN, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF VISITS COMING THROUGH THAT HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING AT A RECLAMATION PLANT.

SO WITH THOSE SENSITIVITIES IN MIND, I THINK MAYBE THE APPLICANT, I KNOW THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL, AND WE'RE SITTING HERE STUMBLING OVER THE FINAL PLAN.

BUT I'M SURE THEY CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THAT PLAN IS AND MAYBE WE CAN ORDAIN THAT TONIGHT AND MOVE FORWARD.

>> SURE. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GETTING BOGGED DOWN IN LANDSCAPING.

AND I THINK WE'RE DEALING WITH A SITUATION WHERE AT LEAST ON THREE SIDES, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY HUMAN BEINGS EXCEPT ONE NEIGHBOR, AND ONE NEIGHBOR IS THE SAME OUTFIT.

SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS BACK UP AND ASK FOR INPUT FROM YOUR DELEGATION, FROM SOMEONE WHO CAN TELL US ABOUT YOUR SPECIFIC PLANS FOR LANDSCAPING, PLEASE. AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE

RECORD, WERE YOU SWORN IN? >> YES, MA'AM.

JOE CANTOR REPRESENTING GLOBAL TECH HASKELL, THE VENTURE IN CHARGE OF DESIGNING THE NEW WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

SO BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE HAD RECEIVED ORIGINALLY FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE WENT BACK AND WITH THE INTENT OF SATISFYING ALL OF THOSE COMMENTS, PRIMARILY IT SEEMS THE TOPICS ARE ITEMS 3 AND 4. THE ORIGINAL INTENT WAS ALWAYS TO HAVE A PERIMETER FENCE TO SECURE THE SITE AND KEEP THE FOLKS THAT NEED TO BE THERE SEPARATED FROM THE PUBLIC AND NOT MAKE IT A PUBLIC HAZARD. WE WILL CERTAINLY INCORPORATE THE GREEN FINAL COATING IN ADDITION TO THE STANDARD CHAIN-LINK FENCE. COMMENT NUMBER FOUR, IT'S ALWAYS OUR INTENTION TO TRY TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF DEEP-ROOTED TREES

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SINCE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF LARGE, UNDERGROUND PIPING THAT'S ON SITE. SO TO ELIMINATE FUTURE ISSUES OF POSSIBLY DAMAGING THOSE JOINTS WITH TREE ROOTS THAT GROW SIGNIFICANT OVER TIME, WE TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE KEENLY AWARE OF SOME OF THE OUTWARD FACING PIECES OF A WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

YOU WANT IT TO WORK BUT NOT BE SEEN.

AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH OUR ORIGINAL LANDSCAPING PLAN OF HAVING THAT OUTWARD FACING BUFFER TOWARDS THOSE CLIENTS THAT WILL BE ALONG ENERGY LANE. SO WE'VE DEVELOPED A NEW SITE PLAN, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ONLY HAVING A SINGLE COPY.

BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THIS AMONGST THE COMMISSION IF THEY'D LIKE TO REVIEW THIS. TO SEE THE BUFFER THAT'S ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROJECT. SO THIS IS ALONG ENERGY LANE.

YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE ENTRANCE AND THE CUL-DE-SAC IS DOWN IN THIS CORNER. AND THEN THE OUTWARD FACING SIDE TO INCLUDE THAT BUFFER ALONG WITH YOUR PERIMETER FENCING TO AROUND THE ENTIRE PERIMETER SITE.

SO THESE ARE THE NORTH, THE WEST, AND THE SOUTH-FACING SIDES. WITH THESE CONSIDERATIONS OF THE OTHER INDUSTRIAL USERS AS WELL AS UTILIZING SOME OF THE NATURAL BUFFERS THAT ARE IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, WE'VE COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT REALLY MAKES BEST USE OF THE DOLLARS FOR THE PROJECT AND TRYING TO CREATE THAT BUFFER FOR THE EXTERNAL USERS.

>> SO THE FENCING WOULD BE ON THREE SIDES AND THE LANDSCAPING WOULD BE ON ONE, HAVE I GOT THAT RIGHT?

>> THE FENCING WILL COVER ALL SIDES OF THE PLANT.

IT WILL BE A RESTRICTED SITE. WE'LL HAVE A SLIDING GATE THAT STAFF WILL COME IN AND OUT OF ON THE PLANT SITE.

AND THE BUFFER WILL BE ON ONE SIDE OF THE CHAIN-LINK FENCING.

>> SO IF IT'S NOT LANDSCAPING TREES, WHAT IF IT'S LANDSCAPING

BUSHES OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> I'LL HAVE CRAIG WEIGH IN ON THAT. HE DOVE INTO THE CODE REQUIREMENTS AND HAS COME UP WITH A BUFFER THAT HE BELIEVES ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH FORT PIERCE STANDARDS.

>> OKAY, THAT'S FINE. >> CRAIG, YES, I'VE BEEN SWORN

IN. >> THANK YOU, CRAIG.

>> YOU COULD DEFINITELY LOOK AT THAT OPTION PROVIDING THAT IN LIEU OF PROVIDING TREES AROUND THE ENTIRE SITE.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD SATISFY CODE AS IT'S STIPULATED ASKING FOR TREES. IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN WE COULD DEFINITELY PROVIDE THAT AS A SOLUTION.

>> I BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL, IT'S THE EXISTING SITE OVERLAY OR THE SITE PLAN LAID OVER THE EXISTING SITE. SO YOU GET AN IDEA FOR THE EXISTING BUFFERS IN PLACE FOR SOME OF THE EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS. SO THIS IS THAT EAST SIDE RIGHT HERE. THAT OUTWARD FACING PIECE THAT'S TOWARDS THE WAREHOUSE CLIENTS THERE ALONG ENERGY LANE.

YOU CAN SEE THE -- >> SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

MOVE IT, YEP THERE. >> YES, SO YOU CAN SEE THE

ENERGY CENTER. >> AND THE ENERGY CENTER IS THE NEIGHBOR THAT WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME BUSINESS.

>> YOU CAN SEE THE RAILWAY UP HERE.

>> IF I CAN JUMP BACK IN TOO, I CAN ADD THAT WE ARE ALSO SHOWING SHRUBS ALONG THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE PARKING AREAS WHICH WOULD BE THE STREET FRONTAGE ON THE ACTUAL CUL-DE-SAC AND ALONG THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE THE PARKING AREAS ARE.

SO WE ARE INCLUDING SOME SCREENING ALONG THOSE USES.

>> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

>> MADAME MAYOR, MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION FOR THE CHANGE, BASICALLY CHANGE CONDITION NUMBER FOUR PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMITS, PROVIDE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT EXHIBITS LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EASTERN BORDER OF THE PROPERTY THAT ADHERES TO CITY CODE SECTION 123-37, GENERAL LANDSCAPING

REQUIREMENTS. >> THERE ARE SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR THOSE OTHER SITES.

>> MADAME MAYOR, I KEEP THINKING SPECIFIC APPLICATION, IT WOULD

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BE LIKE THE CITY REQUIRING OAK TREES IN AN AIRFIELD.

THERE'S JUST CERTAIN THINGS THAT DON'T WORK.

>> THEY'VE GIVEN A GOOD REASON FOR NOT HAVING THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. AND IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL USE AND IT ISN'T GOING TO BE UNSIGHTLY TO ANYBODY WITHOUT, UNLESS YOU HAVE A DRONE, I GUESS A DRONE CAN SEE IT.

>> UNLESS YOU'RE THERE AND YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

>> IF IT'S APPROPRIATE I WOULD LIKE TO REMAKE --

>> CAN I DO ONE MORE THING. IS THERE ANY OTHER PERSON THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE SINCE I REOPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING? OKAY, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> COMMISSIONER MADE A MOTION EARLIER.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- >> DIED FOR LACK OF SECOND.

>> HE WITHDREW IT. >> I DIDN'T HEAR THAT PART,

SORRY. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL WITH STAFF'S CONDITION WITH THE AMENDMENT TO NUMBER FOUR WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GET RESTATED BY OUR PLANNING PERSON ONE MORE

TIME. >> WE CAN ALWAYS TRANSCRIBE IT

FROM THE RECORD. >> BUT IT IS EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS

SAID. >> IT WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> LET'S CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> I'M VOTING YES, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE

NUMBER FOUR. >> HE DIDN'T.

>> I HEARD WHAT HE SAID. BUT I THINK PERSONALLY THAT INSTEAD OF TRANSCRIBING IT, WE SHOULD STATE IT AGAIN WHILE THE MOTION IS BEING READ SO EVERYBODY KNOWS AND THEY CAN'T COME AND SAY WE TRANSCRIBED SOMETHING WRONG OR ADDED SOMETHING WRONG. I THINK WE OUGHT TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD NOW, LET THEM STATE IT WITH YOUR MOTION AND THEN WE VOTE. SO THAT'S MY HESITATION.

>> GOOD TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY ON THIS BOARD.

>> RIGHT, GOOD IDEA. ARE YOU RESTATING IT?

>> NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMITS PROVIDE A LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT EXHIBITS LANDSCAPING ALONG THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE THAT MEETS GENERAL

LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS. >> YES, MA'AM.

THERE YOU GO, THERE'S MY VOTE. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

[b. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for a Site Plan (Development and Design Review) approval to construct a 7,329 square foot Vehicle Reconditioning Facility with associated site improvements at or near 3300 and 3330 S US Highway 1 in Fort Pierce, Florida, more specifically located at Parcel Control Numbers: 2427-421-0001-000-7, 2427-421-0002-000-4.]

>> CONGRATULATIONS. THANKS.

>> NEXT WE HAVE ANOTHER QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING FOR THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 7,329 SQUARE FOOT VEHICLE RECONDITIONING FACILITY WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT OR NEAR 3300 AND 3330 SOUTH US HIGHWAY 1 IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.

>> HAVE THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS BEEN MET?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> AND WOULD YOU ASK ABOUT EX

PARTE COMMUNICATIONS? >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, I DID. BUT IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS.

A COUPLE OF YEARS MAYBE. SO IT'S PROBABLY NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS SITE PLAN APPLICATION. BUT I'VE HAD CORRESPONDENCE AT

SOME POINT. >> WITH THE OWNER?

>> YES. >> OR APPLICANT.

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> NO, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO, MA'AM.

AND WOULD YOU SWEAR IN WITNESSES, PLEASE?

>> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> PROCEED.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAY -- MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

BEFORE YOU IS A SITE PLAN FOR 3300 AND 3330US HIGHWAY 1.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS YEN COMM -- GENERAL LAND USE WITH C3 COMMERCIAL. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A 7,329 SQUARE FOOT VEHICLE RECONDITIONING FACILITY.

THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING.

TREES RED MAPLE 13, SOUTHERN MAGNOLIA, EIGHT CREPE MYRTLES, ALONG WITH PALMS, SHRUBS, GROUND COVERS, AND NEW IRRIGATION TO BE INSTALLED. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THE STRUCTURE. IT'S MEDIUM CHARCOAL TONES FOR

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SPLIT-FACE CMU MASONRY. PLANNING BOARD AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 12, 2022, RECOMMENDED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH STAFF CONDITIONS. STAFF IS REPRESENTING APPROVAL WITH EIGHT CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 123-6 SHALL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED FOR THE SITE.

NUMBER TWO, PRIOR ISSUANCE OF ANY SITE PLAN PERMITS, THEY WILL COORDINATE WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ARBORISTS FOR THE MITIGATION OF CITY TREES PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.

NUMBER THREE, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL, THE PROPOSED BUILDING PERTAINS TO THE DESIGN REVIEW.

AND CONFIRM THAT THE ARCHITECTURE AND COLOR SCHEME OF THE NEW STRUCTURE WILL MATCH THAT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO THE SOUTH. NUMBER FOUR, PER CITY CODE CHAPTER 121, SUBDIVISIONS, A PRELIMINARY, AND FINAL PLAT ARE REQUIRED. NUMBER FIVE, PROVIDE SIDEWALKS AND SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS ALONG ABUTTING ROWS PER CITY CODE SECTION 125-317B. NUMBER SIX, A CROSSWALK FROM BEV SMITH TOYOTA'S SOUTH PARCEL TO THE PROPOSED EMPLOYEE PARKING TO THE NORTH SHALL BE PROVIDED WHEN THE SITE PLAN TO THE NORTH PARCEL IS SUBMITTED. NUMBER SEVEN, PROVIDE A COVENANT IN LIEU OF UNITY OF TITLE OR SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT BETWEEN BEV SMITH TOYOTA NORTH AND SOUTH PARCELS.

AND NUMBER EIGHT, A UNITY OF TITLE WITH THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS AND A PARCEL COMBINATION WITH THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER SHALL BE CONDUCTED BEFORE THE ISSUANCE

OF A BUILDING PERMIT. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. THE CROSSWALK, TALK TO ME ABOUT THE CROSSWALK. CAN YOU SHOW ME ON THE SITE PLAN

WHERE THAT IS LOCATED? >> YES, AND THE APPLICANT HAS

PROVIDED THAT AS YOU CAN SEE. >> OKAY.

AND WHEN YOU DEFINE CROSSWALK, THAT'S GOING TO MEET ALL OF THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS LIKE SIGNAGE AND BEWARE PEDESTRIANS, ALL PER THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT?

>> CORRECT. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DEFINED THAT SO IT'S NOT JUST THE STRIPING ON THE GROUND?

>> CORRECT. >> AND ANYTHING WITH TRAFFIC AS IT RELATES TO US-ONE? ANY ADDITIONAL STRIPING, TURNING MOVEMENTS, LEFT TURN ONLY, RIGHT TURN ONLY?

>> NO ACCESS FROM US HIGHWAY 1. >> NO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC

IMPROVEMENTS? >> NO.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ALL RIGHTY. I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD

AND WERE YOU SWORN? >> YES, I WAS SWORN IN.

MY NAME IS BILL WITH MVP ENGINEERING.

>> WELCOME. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> I CAN CLARIFY WE ARE IN COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY ON SOUTHLAND DRIVE FOR REQUIREMENTS THERE FOR STORM WATER AND --

>> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> I DO NOT.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE

COMMISSION? >> HE ANSWERED IT.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION.

>> MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE WITH THE EIGHT

CONDITIONS. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY, LET'S SEE.

[c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 22-026 amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of one (1) parcel generally located at or near the south side of Graham Road and approximately 600 feet east of South Kings Highway from RL, Low Density Residential to GC, General Commercial. SECOND READING]

NEXT WE HAVE A SECOND READING OF ORDINANCE 22-026, AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF ONE PARCEL GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR THE SOUTH SIDE OF GRAHAM ROAD AND APPROXIMATELY 600 FEET EAST OF SOUTH KINGS HIGHWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

>> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, I CLOSE THE

PUBLIC HEARING. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF

ORDINANCE NO. 22-026. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

[d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 22-029 - an ordinance rezoning the property generally located at or near the south side of Graham Road and approximately 600 feet east of South Kings Highway, from (R-1) Low Density Residential Zone to (CP-1) Commercial Parkway Zone. SECOND READING]

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

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>> NEXT WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE NO. 22-029, AN ORDINANCE REZONING THE PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR THE SOUTH SIDE OF GRAHAM ROAD AND APPROXIMATELY 600 FEET CEASED OF SOUTH KINGS HIGHWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY TO TO COMMERCIAL PARKWAY ZONE PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND ORDINANCES HEREWITH, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS A SECOND READING. >> ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE FOR THE

APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

[e. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 22-030 - Review and approval of an application for a voluntary annexation by property owners Canadian Corporation and applicant Jeremy Mears of the parcel at or near 3000 Virginia Avenue. Parcel ID: 2419-111-0002-000-7. SECOND READING]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 22-030. AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF FORT PIERCE TO INCLUDE ONE PARCEL AT OR NEAR VIRGINIA AVENUE AND SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A, DIRECTING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO ASSESS SAID PROPERTY AND PLACE IT ON THE CITY TAX ROLLS AS OF JANUARY 1, 2023, DIRECTOR THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY TAX DIRECTOR TO COLLECT TAXES ON THE HEREIN DESCRIBED PROPERTY ESTABLISHING THE ZONING DESIGNATION, LAND USE DESIGNATION, AND CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER OF ST.

LUCIE COUNTY TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE, AND SUBMITTED TO THES OFFICE OF DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR THE REPEAL OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

>> THIS IS THE SECOND READING, ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

[f. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 22-031 - Annexing three (3) parcels at or near the northeast corner of South Kings Highway and White Road. SECOND READING]

>> OKAY NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 22-031, AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA TO INCLUDE THREE PARCELS AT OR NEAR SOUTH KINGS HIGHWAY SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A, DIRECTING THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER TO PLACE IT ON THE TAX ROLLS AS OF JANUARY 1, 2023, DIRECTING THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR TO COLLECT TAXES ON THE HEREIN DESCRIBED PROPERTY, ESTABLISHING ZONING DESIGNATION, AND LAND USE DESIGNATION, DIRECTING THE CHARTER BOUNDARY ARTICLE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING, ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A

MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

[g. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 22-033 changing Short Term and Vacation Rental renewal dates from September 30 to anniversary billing. FIRST READING]

>> OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 22-033, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, ARTICLE 10, SHORT TERM AND VACATION RENTAL REGULATIONS EXISTING LEGAL NONCONFORMITIES, AMENDING SECTION 22-516, REGISTRATION PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

>> AND THIS IS BASICALLY DEALING WITH THE ANNIVERSARY BILLING,

CORRECT? >> YES, MA'AM.

I DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

BUT THIS IS BASICALLY AN IMMEDIATE FOLLOW UP TO A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD THE CONFERENCE AGENDA.

WE WILL BE REVIEWING AND DISCUSSING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL FEE AT THE DECEMBER 12TH CONFERENCE AGENDA.

I KNOW THAT'S IMPORTANT TO EVERYBODY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS WELL. SO THAT WILL BE ON THAT AGENDA.

>> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> SOMEBODY LEFT THIS UP HERE. >> I'LL TAKE IT.

THANK YOU. >> I HAVE SUCH AN ADVERSE I GUESS SITUATION WITH THE CITY HERE.

I MEAN YOU GUYS WANT TO DO IT ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE.

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I MEAN, PERSONALLY I PREFER TO STAY THE SAME BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY BTR IS DUE ON THE 30TH OF SEPTEMBER.

IT'S BOTH WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE CITY.

IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WOULD STREAMLINE TO BE MORE LIKE THE COUNTY TO BEGIN WITH.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY IT HAS TO GO THROUGH AN ANNIVERSARY DATE. WHEN YOU REGISTER, YOU REGISTER.

I THINK MY FIRST ONE I HAD GOTTEN APPROVAL IN OCTOBER AND I REGISTERED RIGHT AWAY. TIS WAS THREE YEARS AGO AND I PAID THE FEE. I WASN'T GIVEN ANY PROVISION WHATSOEVER FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, I JUST PAID IT EVEN THOUGH IT WAS ONE MONTH OR TWO MONTHS SHORT.

IT MAKES IT EASIER, I THINK IT'S GOING TO CREATE ANOTHER DISASTER WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS DOING IT ON AN ANNIVERSARY DATE.

I THINK THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE NEEDS TO LOOK REALLY HARD AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING VERSUS WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING WHICH IS WORKING WELL. YOU GUYS HAVE HAD AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

JUST LOOK AT ALL OF THE TIME THAT HAS BEEN SPENT WHERE WE'VE ALL COME UP HERE, YOU GUYS HAVE PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO IT AS WELL. AND IT JUST NEEDS TO MAINTAIN AND BE STREAMLINED. WHEN I REGISTER, IT'S ON A CERTAIN DATE ANNUALLY. WITH THE CITY, SAME THING.

CITY AND COUNTY, THE BTRS ARE ON THE SAME DATE.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR THE CLERKS TO BEGIN WITH. THEY ACT LIKE THAT THIS IS AN ACT OF CONGRESS TO REGISTER US. I MEAN IT'S A PACKET OF PAPERWORK. I HAVE IT HERE, YOU FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK, YOU HAND IN YOUR BTR, YOU HAND IN THAT YOU'RE LICENSED BY THE DBPR. IT GOES INTO A QUOTE, FILE, AND IT'S A RECORD. THERE'S NO REASON THIS HAS TO BE LIKE A MAJOR ORDEAL TO REGISTER ALL THE TIME.

AGAIN I GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT YOU GO TO THE COUNTY AND IT'S NO PROBLEM. I PAY $9.05 TO REGISTER ALL OF MY VACATION RENTALS WITH THE COUNTY.

HERE YOU HAVE TO REGISTER PER, YOU CHARGE PER, THEN YOU WANT TO CHARGE A REGISTRATION. AND I JUST ASK WHO HAS TO BE ABLE TO REGISTER IN ANY PROFESSION IN FORT PIERCE, AND THERE'S NOBODY. YOU HAVE TARGETED THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS A MONEY GRAB FOR $600.

IT'S A RULING. YOU DON'T JUST GET TO THROW AWAY OUR RULINGS. I HAVE TWO OF THEM SITTING RIGHT HERE. SO I THINK YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO REFLECT AND LOOK AND KEEP IT STREAMLINED WITH THE WAY THE

COUNTY RUNS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> I HAVE TO ASK MS. COX ABOUT THIS TOO.

BECAUSE I'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES OF THAT COME FROM THE VACATION RENTAL FOLKS. IN FACT WE HAD SEVERAL ARGUMENTS STATING THE FACT THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE ANNIVERSARY PART BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO BE ABLE TO ADJUST THAT IF THEY'RE COMING ON LIKE SIX MONTHS DOWN THE LINE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND WE DON'T REALLY GIVE, I THINK ONE TIME YOU GAVE THEM A 50% AND IT REALLY GOT CONVOLUTED AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

IF YOU DID IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REGISTER ONLY ONE MONTH OUT OF THE YEAR WHICH IS JUST NOT GOING TO WORK OUT SO THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT WE GOT FROM THE VACATION RENTAL FOLKS, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES. AND THE BUSINESS TAX AND THE REGISTRATION ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

THEY'RE DIFFERENT ITEMS. THEY'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON ONE ANOTHER. YOU CAN GET A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT AND NOT REGISTER YOUR UNIT.

YOU'RE IN VIOLATION. BUT THEY'RE NOT DEPENDENT ON ONE ANOTHER. YOU CAN GET A REGISTRATION WITHOUT A BTR, BUT NOT EVERY SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS REQUIRED TO

HAVE A BTR. >> SO I CAN UNDERSTAND ALWAYS KNOWING WHAT THE DATE IS. BUT IF YOU REGISTER ON DECEMBER 15TH, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO ALWAYS KNOW THAT IT'S

DECEMBER 15TH. >> CORRECT.

>> BECAUSE IT'S ONCE A YEAR, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU NOTIFY THEM BY, DO THEY GET A REMINDER?

>> IT'S ALL DONE ELECTRONICALLY. WE DON'T TAKE THE APPLICATIONS IN OUR OFFICE ANY LONGER. IT'S ALL DONE THROUGH THE

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WEBSITE THROUGH THE VENDOR. AND WE ARE DOING AN AGGRESSIVE PROJECT FINDING PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, ARE WE NOT?

>> AND THAT'S WHY IT'S TIED, THE REGISTRATION HAS TO BE TIED TO THE SOFTWARE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE LINK COMES IN SO THEY CAN AUTOMATICALLY DETERMINE WHO'S PROPERLY REGISTERED AND

WHO IS NOT. >> RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT COMMISSIONER PERONA WAS SAYING. SO WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY AS A RESULT OF SOME SHORT-TERM RENTALS COMING FORTH AND MAYBE FEELING AS THOUGH THEY PAID FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD AND WE WERE ALMOST AT THE FISCAL YEAR END WHEN IT WAS TO TERMINATE.

WE DIDN'T PUT A WAY OF THAT TO SAY IF IT'S ONLY TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE END WE JUST CHARGED THEM THE FULL AMOUNT OF MONEY WHATEVER IT WAS, RIGHT? BUT NOW WE'RE GOING ANNIVERSARY.

IF I CAME IN IN JULY AND IT'S GOING TO TERM RIGHT NOW IN SEPTEMBER 30TH, MY ANNIVERSARY DATE WOULD BE JULY OF THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO IT WOULD GIVE ME A FULL YEAR.

>> NO MATTER WHAT, EXACTLY. >> SO I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND CERTAINLY I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT.

I GUESS THE POINT WHERE WE ARE NOW THOUGH IS WE NOW HAVE SOFTWARE THAT THIS IS AN AUTOMATED PROCESS THAT WHEN I REGISTER MY DATE IS IN THE SYSTEM AND IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER TO SEND HOW MANY DAYS PRIOR TO TO LET ME KNOW --

>> I BELIEVE IT'S 30. >> SO WE'RE GETTING 30.

JUST CURIOUS, COULD WE MAKE IT 60 IF WE WANTED TO.

>> ABSOLUTELY WE CAN. >> AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE NOT STRONG ARMING PEOPLE THE DAY AFTER THEIR DEADLINE.

WE ALL UNDERSTAND LIFE HAPPENS AND THERE'S NO DELINQUENT FEE ON

THESE. >> I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE THINGS, WE FORGET.

AND LIFE GETS IN THE WAY AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF WE HAD THOSE TRIGGERS IN PLACE IF WE COULD MODIFY IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THAT. BUT THERE'S NO PENALTY IF THEY MISS A DAY OR TWO AFTER A WEEK, WHATEVER, THEY'RE NOT PENALIZED

AT THAT POINT? >> SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS SOMETIMES THE REGISTRATION PERIOD WHEN IT'S TIME TO RENEW IS THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME OF THE YEAR FOR THE VACATION RENTAL PROPERTY OWNERS TO PAY THAT FEE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD GOOD RENTALS. SO THE ANNIVERSARY BILLING ALLOWS THEM TO WHEN THEY DO THEIR INITIAL REGISTRATION,

HOPEFULLY THEY'RE AT A BETTER -- >> IT'S IN FEBRUARY AND NOT --

>> EXACTLY. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY, THE BTR,

WE'LL STILL HAVE BTR RENEW AT -- >> 9/30.

THAT'S A STATE STATUTE. >> THAT'S A STATE STATUTE, GOT

IT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YEAH, I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTAL IN THE LAST THREE WEEKS THAN I THOUGHT I WOULD EVER LEARN. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS I STILL HAVE AND I'VE HEARD BOTH SIDES, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S BEEN SAID TONIGHT WITH THE WRONG TIME OF THE YEAR, THE FEES, THE COUNTY, THE PROCEDURES. AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE BEFORE, BUT I WOULD LIKE US TO TAKE ONE LAST LOOK AT THIS GOING FORWARD I KNOW WE GOT SOMETHING COMING ON THE DECEMBER AGENDA. BUT JUST A REAL GOOD LOOK BECAUSE SOMETHING TO ME IS NOT RIGHT.

I JUST CAN'T PUT MY HAND ON IT, MAYBE IT'S JUST ME THAT I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. SO I'M GOING TO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH. BUT I'VE HEARD ABOUT THE, I UNDERSTAND WHY WE GOT THIS ON BECAUSE WE WANTED THE ANNIVERSARY DATE IS EASY OR WHATEVER.

BUT I ALSO KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT REGISTERING ANYWAY AND WE'RE SPENDING MONEY TRYING TO SEE WHY THEY'RE NOT REGISTERING. AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE JUST TRYING NOT TO REGISTER TO BEAT THE SYSTEM. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING IS PREVENTING THEM FROM DOING IT. AND IT COULD JUST BE ME.

THE ONE DATE THAT SEEMS EASY TO US AND EASY TO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S THE ANNIVERSARY DATE.

I DON'T SEE OUR RESIDENTS SEEING IT THAT WAY, I'M JUST HAVING SOME TROUBLE WITH THIS WHOLE ISSUE.

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TO ME IT'S ALWAYS IF THERE'S SMOKE THERE'S A FIRE SOMEWHERE.

AND I'M SEEING A LOT OF SMOKE OR I'M HEARING ABOUT A LOT OF SMOKE SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR SITTING IN THIS SEAT BEFORE I CAN SAY WHATEVER. I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> I'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM AND A LOT OF GOOD DISCUSSION POINTS. IN ONE OF MY DISCUSSIONS, I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA WITH DRIVER'S LICENSES, I'M SORRY WITH CAR TAG RENEWALS. SO IN MY 20 WHATEVER YEARS OF BEING A PROFESSIONAL, I'VE HAD TO REGISTER PRIVATE VEHICLES WHICH WE ALL HAVE TO DO AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLES.

AND IT'S CHANGED OVER TIME BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT MONTH OF THE YEAR HOW DO YOU REGISTER A BE IDAHO AND PUT A TAG ON IT, AND WHAT'S THE ANNIVERSARY DATE OF A TAG.

NOW IT'S DECEMBER IF THERE'S A CERTAIN SIZE.

>> A BIRTHDAY. >> THERE'S NO BIRTHDAY.

I CAN TELL YOU NOW THE WORST ONES TO REGISTER IS THE DECEMBER ONES BECAUSE OF THE TIME OF YEAR AND BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T THINK ABOUT ANYTHING BUT YOUR BIRTHDAY.

SO IF YOU HAVE AN ANNIVERSARY DAY, I KNOW THE WAY MY BRAIN WORKS IS MY BIRTHDAY IS COMING UP, I NEED TO REGISTER MY CAR AGAIN. THAT'S JUST THE WAY I THINK.

THAT'S THE WAY I WAS GROOMED TO THINK AND I GUESS THIS IS WHAT WE DO. SO THE HARDEST ONES ARE THE ONES THAT REPEAT ANNUALLY ON THE MISCELLANEOUS DATE WHICH HAPPENS TO BE DECEMBER 31ST. AND THERE'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THE SIZE OF THE VEHICLE AND IF IT'S A TRAILER AND ET CETERA, ET CETERA. THIS IS NOTHING NEW THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BE DYNAMIC AND TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT WORKS.

WE ALSO HAD SOME CONVERSATION IF WE GO BACK, I THINK WE HAD CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR NEW APPLICANTS COMING IN AND HOW STAFF IS ABLE TO MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR SITUATIONS OR NEEDS OR THEIR QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE WHEN THEY HAVE A NEW APPLICATION THAT COMES IN. AND WHEN YOU'RE AT THE SEPTEMBER 30TH DEADLINE, WE HAVE A STAFF OF MS. COX AND 2 OR 3 OTHERS AND SO THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING AT THAT TIME OF YEAR.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE I DON'T KNOW I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT SPECIAL ATTENTION BUT I WANT TO BE AWARE OF IT.

I WANT US TO BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN DEADLINES, WE'RE TRYING TO OPERATE A CITY, WE'RE TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE INS AND OUTS OF LIFE. AND IT NEEDS TO BE FLUID, EFFICIENT, AND ECONOMICAL AND ANY WAY WE CAN MAKE IT THERE.

SO TO ME THIS MAKES SENSE BECAUSE I REGISTERED AT THIS TIME OF YEAR SO I KNOW NEXT YEAR I'LL GET MY NOTICE AND REREGISTER. THAT'S WHERE I STAND AND ALL OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS I PUT IT THERE FOR YOU.

>> WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE A LOT OF THINGS AND COMMISSIONER GAINES, THIS IS A NEW THING THAT THE WHOLE STATE OF FLORIDA IS DEALING WITH AND PROBABLY THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS DEALING WITH.

SO WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO JUST LIKE THE PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE LEARNING AS THEY GO.

AT ANY RATE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS

ANYTHING TO SAY. >> I JUST WANT TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT, I GUESS AS I COME DOWN ON THIS, ONE THING THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID THAT CHALLENGED ME IS WE'RE POLICYMAKERS AND WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT IN A POLICY THAT STAFF HAS TO ENACT. THEY HAVE TO DO THE WORK AND THINGS. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS FROM THE LENS OF A POLICYMAKER, I'M HEARING FROM A STAFF MEMBER TO SAY I HAVE FRUSTRATIONS ON THIS SIDE, I HAVE FRUSTRATIONS ON THAT SIDE, AND HOW DO WE COME DOWN TO BE FAIR FOR CITIZENS BECAUSE IF SOMEONE COMES WITH A BRAND NEW REGISTRATION ON RIGHT NOW TODAY, IF THEY COME IN, THIS IS TOO LATE, BUT THE EXAMPLE I'M GOING TO USE IF THEY CAME IN BEFORE SEPTEMBER 3RD, THE MONTH BEFORE, THEY'D PAY FOR THE ENTIRE AND GET ONE MONTH AND HAVE TO REREGISTER AGAIN OR WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER 30TH TO REGISTER THEIR SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THAT'S WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.

SO IN A WAY OF TRYING TO BE FAIR TO ANYONE THAT COMES INTO THE PROCESS, WE'RE SAYING WHATEVER TODAY IS, THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR ANNIVERSARY DATE FOR THIS AND BY THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO REMIND YOU 30 DAYS, TEN DAYS, 15 DAYS PRIOR THAT YOUR ASSESSMENT OR WHATEVER IS DUE. THAT'S HOW I KIND OF SEE IT.

I'M LISTENING TO STAFF AND STAFF IS TELLING US THIS IS THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT, IT'S A LESS INTRUSIVE WAY TO BE FAIR TO

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EVERYBODY. SO THE REAL QUESTION WAS THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE SYSTEM NOW CURRENTLY, THERE WILL BE A SHIFT FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PICK AN ANNIVERSARY DATE AND THAT RIGHT NOW WILL SETTLE ON A DATE, WHICHEVER DATE THEY

PUT IN. >> ANYBODY NEW COMING IN, THAT WILL BE THE ANNIVERSARY. EVERYBODY IN THE SYSTEM IT'S

ALREADY SET FOR 9/30. >> SO PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM, THEIR DATE WILL BASICALLY NOT CHANGE, IT WILL BE

9/30. >> THAT'S THEIR ANNIVERSARY.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU.PTHAT'S THE MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD, IF YOU'RE WITH US RIGHT NOW, YOUR ANNIVERSARY DATE IS 9/30.

ANYBODY NEW COMING IN, YOU WILL HAVE A NEW DATE.

I'M WELL, THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY READY TO MAKE A MONTH

EDUCATION? >> MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE WE

APPROVE ORDINANCE 22-033. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 22-034, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 103, ARTICLE 10, TO ESTABLISH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE REPEALING PORTIONS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS THE FIRST READING. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO TELL US? DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO TALK?

>> I SURE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION.

>> FOR THE RECORD, I'M THE GRANTS DIVISION MANAGER.

THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS A REQUIREMENT FROM THE FLORIDA STATUTES BASED ON THE STATE HOUSING INITIATIVE SPONSORSHIP ACT. THE REQUIREMENTS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AND CURRENTLY BECAUSE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAS RECEIVED A LARGER ALLOCATION OF OVER $350,000 THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WE ARE REQUIRED TO FORM AN AHAC, AN ADVISORY HOUSING -- AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE, I'M SORRY,

I'M TIRED. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

>> THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE SHALL INCLUDE ONE ELECTED MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION, TWO MEMBERS APPOINTED AT LARGE, AND ONE REPRESENTATIVE OF AT LEAST SIX OF THE FOLLOWING CATEGORIES, WHICH ONE WOULD BE A RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDING INDUSTRY, ONE WOULD BE A BANKING OR MORTGAGE INDUSTRIES CITIZEN, ANOTHER WOULD BE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE HOME BUILDING INDUSTRY CONNECTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ANOTHER WOULD BE ANOTHER CITIZEN WOULD BE AN ADVOCATE FOR LOW-INCOME PERSONS, ANOTHER CITIZEN WILL BE ACTIVELY ENGAGED AS A FOR-PROFIT PROVIDER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ANOTHER WOULD BE AN ACTIVELY ENGAGED CITIZEN FOR A NOT FOR PROFIT PROVIDER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A CITIZEN OF A REAL ESTATE PROFESSION CONNECTED WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, A MEMBER OF THE CITY PLANNING AGENCY, AND RESIDENTS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION, THIS COULD INCLUDE THE ENTIRE COUNTY, NOT JUST THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. A CITIZEN WHO REPRESENTS EMPLOYERS, AND CITIZEN WHO REPRESENTS ESSENTIAL SERVICES PERSONNEL AS DEFINED BY OUR CURRENT AHAC.

THE DUTIES OF THE AHAC ARE TO RECOMMEND INCENTIVES TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO REPRESENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY.

ANNUALLY THEY REVIEW THE ESTABLISHED POLICIES, PROCEDURES, ORDINANCES, LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, AND THE CITY'S ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND RECOMMEND SPECIFIC ACTIONS OR INITIATIVES TO FACILITATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHILE PROTECTING THE ABILITY OF THE PROPERTY TO APPRECIATE IN VALUE. THESE RECOMMENDATIONS MAY INCLUDE THE MODIFICATION OF EXISTING POLICIES, PROCEDURES, ORDINANCES, REGULATIONS, OR PLAN PROVISIONS.

THE CREATIONS OF EXCEPTIONS APPLICABLE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR THE ADOPTION OF NEW POLICIES, PROCEDURES, REGULATIONS, ORDINANCES, OR PLAN PROVISIONS INCLUDING RECOMMENDATIONS TO AMEND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CORRESPONDING REGULATIONS, ORDINANCES, AND OTHER POLICIES.

ANNUALLY SUBMIT A REPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS WELL AS REPORT TO THE STATEWIDE TRAINING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CATALYST PROGRAM WHICH INCLUDES RECOMMENDATIONS AND IMPLEMENTATION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVES IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS. PROCESSING PERMITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS EXPEDITED TO A GREATER DEGREE THAN OTHER PROJECTS, THE ALLOWANCE OF FLEXIBILITIES IN DENSITY FOR

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AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FOR VERY LOW INCOME PERSONS, LOW INCOME PERSONS, AND MODERATE INCOME PERSONS.

AFFORDABLE ACCESSORY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, THE REDUCTION OF PARKING AND SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE ALLOWANCE OF FLEXIBLE LOT CONFIGURATIONS, INCLUDING 0 LOT LINE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PROCESS BY WHICH A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS BEFORE ADOPTION POLICIES, PROCEDURES, ORDINANCES, REGULATIONS, OR PLANNED PROVISIONS THAT INCREASE THE COST OF HOUSING, THE PREPARATION OF A PRINTED INVENTORY OR PUBLIC LAND SUITABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH THE FLORIDA STATUTES. OTHERWISE, WE ARE OPEN TO ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE ORDINANCE.

>> SO WE'RE OBEYING STATE LAW BY CREATING THIS?

>> CORRECT. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I MAY HAVE MISSED IT, IT TALKS ABOUT AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THE COMMITTEE SHALL REPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

WHO DOES IT ON A STAFF LEVEL? >> THAT WOULD BE ME.

>> ALL RIGHT. GOOD.

ULTIMATELY THE CITY MANAGER IS RESPONSIBLE, RIGHT MR. CITY

MANAGER, AT THE END OF THE DAY? >> IF THE COMPOSITION OF THIS BOARD IS SUCH THAT YOU ALL PUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON THAT BOARD, THEN THAT BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE.

IF YOU ALL ARE SAYING THAT CITY STAFF IS GOING TO BE PROVIDING THIS THEN THAT IS WHAT WE SHALL DO.

BUT IT'S ALL BASED UPON YOUR COMPOSITION.

>> SO I'M THINKING OF MORE THE LOGISTICS OF THE OPERATION.

THE LOGISTICS OF YOU BEING IN THE MEETING AND THE NOTE TAKER AND THE PARAGRAPH WRITER, PRESENTATION CAN BE ONE THING.

THE COMMITTEE COULD COME AND PRESENT OF COURSE.

HOPEFULLY THE COMMITTEE WOULD NEVER DELEGATE THE COMMISSIONER TO COME PRESENT, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN BUT HOPEFULLY NOT.

>> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE IRON OUT THOSE DETAILS.

ONE OF THOSE BOARDS WE LOOKED AT OVER THE YEARS IN THE CITY IS LIKE WE HAVE THIS, WE'VE CREATED IT, NOW WHO PUTS THE PEN TO

PAPER TYPE THING. >> I'LL JUST GIVE YOU FOR INSTANCE. SO WE HAVE A VERY, VERY INVOLVED, WE HAVE SOME COMMITTEES THAT ARE VERY INVOLVED. ONE IS THE PARKING COMMITTEE, AND THE OTHER IS THE PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AND THE REPRESENTATIVE MEMBERS OF THOSE COMMITTEES ACTUALLY DRAFT THE CONTENT OF THE REPORT THAT THEY PROVIDE TO YOU.

>> AND THEY PRESENT IT. >> AND THEY PRESENT IT.

SO I FEEL LIKE IF THIS BOARD IS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION AND THIS IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY THEN THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE

FOR PROVIDING THAT CONTENT. >> ADDITIONALLY, THE STATE GIVES US A TEMPLATE TO GO BY AND EXACT QUESTIONS TO ANSWER SO WE DON'T

DEVIATE FROM THE TASK. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU THAT

QUESTION TOO IN GENERAL. >> YES, I THINK WE PROBABLY ANSWERED THE ISSUE THAT I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS THAT IT DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT COME FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S LEVEL.

IT'S GOT TO COME FROM THE ACTUAL BOARD WHICH IS THEIR CHARGE BY STATUTE. WHERE STAFF CAN ASSIST WOULD BE IN PROVIDING THE TEMPLATE AND ASSISTING WITH SYNTHESIZING THE DRAFT SUCH THAT IT'S A DOCUMENT THAT CAN EASILY BE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION. BUT IT'S THE REQUIREMENT BY STATUTE THAT THE BOARD PRODUCE THIS REPORT.

>> OKAY, GOOD. SOMETIMES IT'S THE INTRICACY OF PEN TO PAPER. LITERALLY I'VE SEEN THOSE BOARDS COME FORWARD, THEY'RE LIKE YEAH THREE OF US HAVE A COMPUTER AND WE DIDN'T GET THE EMAIL TO EACH OTHER TYPE THING.

>> I CAN SEE 11 PEOPLE, AND MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING YOU. I CAN SEE 11 PEOPLE ARGUING OVER HOW TO DRAFT A DOCUMENT. SO I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY UNFORTUNATELY, SOME OF IT WILL FALL ON STAFF TO TRY TO SYNTHESIZE WHAT THE BOARD IS TELLING THEM.

>> ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND YOU JUST MENTIONED IT SO IT REMINDED ME AGAIN. IT'S ONE COMMISSION MEMBER PLUS SIX AND THOSE 11 CATEGORIES COULD BE THE MAKEUP OF THE SIX,

IS THAT ACCURATE? >> YES.

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>> SO A SEVEN MEMBER COMMITTEE? >> YES, I MISSPOKE.

>> IS IT NINE? >> IT IS NINE.

THERE'S TWO AT LARGE. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> EITHER WAY IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE TO AGREE ON A DOCUMENT.

>> WE DON'T EACH GET A PICK, IT'S NINE TO MAKE UP, THE SIX HAVE MAKE UP THAT CRITERIA, SO I GUESS THAT WILL BE A CHECK OFF OF WHO WE CAN BRING FORWARD IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT.

THEN WE HAVE TO GET TO A TOTAL OF NINE.

I HAD TO REREAD THAT BECAUSE I HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

>> THIS IS STATUTORY, RIGHT? >> CORRECT.

>> SO WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE STATE STATUTE AND IT'S GOING TO BE NINE AND THEN PROBABLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A PRESS RELEASE ASKING FOR PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THIS COMMITTEE.

AND SINCE IT'S STATUTORY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE STATUTE WITH THE MEETINGS OF THE COMMITTEE.

WHICH I WANT TO KNOW IS IT COVERED UNDER SUNSHINE?

>> THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING NEXT.

>> THAT WAS MY NEXT AREA. >> DO YOU KNOW?

YES, IT IS. >> YES.

>> YES, SIR? >> FIRST I'M GLAD WE'RE AGREEING THAT IT SHOULDN'T COME FROM US THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHATEVER PRESENTATION TO THE CITY SHOULD COME FROM THIS COMMITTEE.

AND BECAUSE THIS IS A HOT TOPIC ISSUE RIGHT NOW AND WE CAN HELP THEM WITH DOCUMENTS. I'M LOOKING AT THE REQUIREMENTS I'LL PUT ON THE RECORD TONIGHT THAT IF I NEED TO BE THE ONE TO GO ON THERE I WILL JUST BECAUSE --

>> I'M ALREADY THERE. >> YOU'RE VOLUNTOLD, DON'T WORRY

ABOUT THAT. >> I DON'T WANT ANYMORE WORK, BUT I'M ALREADY ON THE ONE FOR THE COUNTY SO IT'S JUST BETTER TO MAKE IT RIGHT THERE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL VOLUNTEER, VOLUNTOLD HOWEVER THEY WANT TO SAY IT, I'LL BE THE CITY COMMISSIONER. WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WON'T BE ARGUING OVER A DOCUMENT. WE'LL HAVE THE RIGHT DOCUMENTS, BUT THAT IS AN ACT OF FLORIDA STATUTE.

I WANT US TO BE TRANSPARENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

IF THE CITY MANAGER OPPORTUNITY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED, THAT'S PERFECT BECAUSE BY THE CITY MANAGER BEING INVOLVED, THAT LINKS EVERYBODY UP HERE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU HOW IT LOOKS IN THE PUBLIC. LET US GO MEET, PRESENT BACK TO EVERYBODY, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

WHATEVER HELP WE CAN GIVE THEM, WE GIVE THEM AND I SAY WE GO FROM THERE. YOU KNOW ESPECIALLY IN OUR DISTRICT, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU KNOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT OUR HANDS ON THAT WE SAY, SO LET'S JUST NIP IT IN THE BUD IN THE BEGINNING.

THIS IS THE COMMISSION THAT HAS BEEN FORMED.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO THEIR JOB, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND PRESENT TO US, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, MADAME MAYOR.

JUST TO BE CLEAR THEY NEED STAFF SUPPORT.

BECAUSE THIS NEEDS TO BE MET IN THIS PUBLIC BUILDING SOMEWHERE.

IT NEEDS TO BE RECORDED. WE NEED TO HAVE ACCESS AND PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND WITNESS IT AND SO WHEN I HEARD STAFF WASN'T INVOLVED, THAT WAS MY CONCERN BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO BE COORDINATED WITH THIS BUILDING AND WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH LIKE OTHER COMMITTEES I'VE SERVED ON IN

THIS BUILDING. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, SIR, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE STAFF THAT ATTENDS THE MEETING AND IS THERE FOR TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

>> RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. >> THE BOARD IS GOING TO DRIVE THE CONTENT OF THE DISCUSSION. THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE THE CREATION OF THE AGENDA. AND THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE THE REPORTS WHICH THEY WILL PRESENT TO YOU.

>> AND THAT'S ONLY THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE, SO WE NOW HAVE CERTAIN AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND, WE HAVE CERTAIN COMMITTEES THAT ARE TELEVISED WHEN THEY MEET OR PEOPLE CAN TUNE IN TO THE PLANNING BOARD, ET CETERA. IS THIS ANOTHER ONE THAT WILL BE TELEVISED OR WILL THEY MEET IN THE LARGER CONFERENCE ROOM AND IT WILL BE RECORDED? HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE IF WE CAN AT THIS POINT.

>> THERE'S NO PLAN FOR TELEVISING THIS COMMITTEE AT

THIS TIME. >> OKAY.

>> IF YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE TELEVISED --

>> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. SOME ARE, SOME AREN'T.

I NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND. >> I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH

ROOM FOR THAT LARGE OF A BOARD. >> WOW.

>> THAT'S A CONSIDERATION. >> OKAY, WELL AT LEAST SAY THAT IT WILL BE RECORDED AND THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCESS THAT, THAT'S MY CONCERN AND ALSO THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS BOARD UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY OPERATE IN THE SUNSHINE AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST CHALLENGES OF BOARD

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MEMBERS HAVING RUNOFFS AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

THIS IS A VERY SERIOUS TOPIC AND THE CRITERIA IN WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO CONSIDER PEOPLE FOR THIS BOARD IS A HIGH HURDLE TO

MEET TO GET ON THIS BOARD. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I CAN LET YOU KNOW, IF I'M PUT ON THIS BOARD, ALL SUNSHINE LAWS WILL BE ENFORCED. SO THAT'S ONE CONCERN YOU DON'T HAVE. JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, AS FAR AS TELEVISION OR WHATEVER, I JUST WANT IT THAT THE PUBLIC BE NOTIFIED.

WHEN THIS BOARD MEETS, THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND LISTEN AND DO WHATEVER. THAT'S ALL I NEED AND THEN WE GO FROM THERE. THANK YOU, MADAME MAYOR.

>> ABSOLUTELY. WE DON'T HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT DOESN'T DO THAT. THE PUBLIC IS WELCOME TO ANY OF OUR COMMISSION BOARDS AND WE WANT THEM TO COME.

>> CAN YOU DEFINE FOR ME AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON SUCH A BOARD.

I THINK THEY PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN JUST THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE.

SO THAT NUMBER 11, ESSENTIAL SERVICES AS DEFINED BY, DOES

THAT INCLUDE LAW ENFORCEMENT? >> YES, IT INCLUDES LAW ENFORCEMENT AS ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL.

>> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT DEFINITION IS THERE.

>> GOOD CATCH. >> I WOULD ASK THAT SOMEBODY FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT IS ON THERE ON THE OTHER COMMITTEE THAT I SIT WITH, THE JOINT COMMITTEE WITH THE COUNTY, WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THERE BECAUSE THEY PLAY A BIG ROLE.

SO THAT NEEDS TO BE EVEN IF WE CHANGE ONE OF THEM, THERE NEEDS TO BE A, LAW ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO HAVE A SEAT ON THIS COMMITTEE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO BACK AND CHANGE IT AND MAKE IT --

>> I DON'T THINK I'M JUMPING TO A CONCLUSION, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD COMMISSION MEMBER THAT'S GOING TO MAKE THIS

BE A GREAT BOARD. >> ALL RIGHT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I THINK WE NEED A PUBLIC

HEARING. >> I'M SORRY.

>> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS

ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> IT IS AN ORDINANCE, THAT'S

RIGHT. >> WE WERE HAVING THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> HI, MICHELLE.

THIS IS SPEAKING FROM WHAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH PUBLICLY WITH THE COMMISSION AND THEY STARTED A TASK FORCE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND THEY HAD A MEETING FEBRUARY 15TH, MARCH 1ST, MARCH 15TH, MARCH 29TH, APRIL 12TH, APRIL 26TH, MAY 10TH, MAY 24TH, AND JUNE 14TH. NOT ONE OF THESE ALLOWED THE PUBLIC, ANY OF US, TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK REGARDING THIS.

AND VIOLATIONS OF SUNSHINE LAW, STAFF MEMBERS SPEAKING EX PARTE, AND I MEAN WORKING WITH THE CITY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF THEM BECAUSE THEY WILL VIOLATE YOU IF THEY CAN.

AND I'M SHOCKED AT THE LEVEL THAT YOU GUYS WENT TO IN A QUOTE TASK FORCE, AND HERE YOU'RE TELLING THIS LADY TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS WHEN YOU DON'T EVEN FOLLOW IT YOURSELVES.

YOU GUYS LIKE TO PUT ALL OF THIS STUFF OUT THERE LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE PUBLIC, BUT YOU'RE NOT.

YOU DIDN'T INVITE THE PUBLIC TO ANY OF THESE MEETINGS.

NOT ONLY DO YOU NOT INVITE ANYBODY TO THESE MEETINGS, YOU LITERALLY CLOSE THE DOORS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND LET ALL OF THE PEOPLE ADVERSARY TO OUR CAUSE GO AHEAD AND SPEAK.

AND I HOPE THEY DON'T DO THIS TO THIS COMMITTEE AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE ORDINANCE 22-034 TO CREATE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING

ADVISORY COMMITTEE. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

[i. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 22-035 - Impact Fee Moratorium within Urban Infill and Redevelopment Area. FIRST READING.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU.

>> NEXT, WE HAVE A FIRST READING ON ORDINANCE 22-035, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, PROVIDING FOR A MORATORIUM ON THE IMPACT FEE FOR ONE YEAR IN THE URBAN INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT AREA REQUIRED BY SECTIONS 113-8 AND 113-153 AND INCLUDING 113-19 OF THE CITY

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CODE REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT HEREWITH, AND PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO MOVEMENT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN

A MOTION. >> MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE FOR

APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

[a. Resolution No. 22-R40 appointing members to the Fort Pierce Youth Advisory Council]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO WE MOVE ON TO RESOLUTION 22-R40, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, CERTIFYING THE APPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS TO THE YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL AND

PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> SO I WAS LOOKING AT THE NAMES SUBMITTED AND MR. MIMS AND I ADDRESSED A GROUP FROM A SMALL AND WE URGED THEM TO APPLY FOR THE YOUTH COUNCIL AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE ABLE TO, THEY GOT -- SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST IF IT DOESN'T VIOLATE ANYTHING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT VOLUNTEERED BE ASKED TO SERVE BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE ON THERE.

THE COMMITTEE ISN'T LIMITED BY NUMBER, IS IT LIMITED BY NUMBER?

>> THERE'S A CERTAIN NUMBER THAT IT SETS OUT, BUT I THINK THERE'S, JUST BASED ON THE MAKEUP OF THE BOARD AND WHAT IT'S TASKED TO DO, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY HARM IN ADDING ADDITIONAL FOLKS AS AT-LARGE MEMBERS SINCE WE HAVE INTEREST

-- >> WE HAVE GOOD APPLICATIONS AND I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THEM.

IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, I'D LIKE THEM ALL TO BE A PART OF IT.

>> I LIKE THAT IDEA. >> MAKE THEM ALL AT-LARGE APPOINTMENTS INSTEAD OF INDIVIDUAL APPOINTMENTS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SELECT A NAME? THEY DON'T HAVE CONCURRENT TERMS. SO THEY DO HAVE A SPECIFIED

TERM. >> THEY VOLUNTEERED, LET THEM

WORK. >> I READ THOSE APPLICATIONS, THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THOSE APPLICATIONS.

>> I HAVE NO OBJECTION, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT KICKING ANYONE CURRENTLY OFF, I HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO LETTING YOUTH WORK

IN FORT PIERCE. >> GOOD.

SO I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MADAME MAYOR, ONE QUICK QUESTION. MADAME ATTORNEY, ARE WE DOING

THE RIGHT THING? >> MS. COX AND I SPOKE ABOUT THIS THAT IT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY AND I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO YOU PROCEEDING AS SUCH.

>> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHTY.

>> MADAME MAYOR, A QUESTION BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION.

ARE WE JUST GOING TO MODIFY THE RESOLUTION TO INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL NAMES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED, RIGHT?

IS THAT ACCURATE? >> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, HOWEVER WE GET IT DONE. HOWEVER WE GET IT DONE.

>> I'LL SWITCH THE ADOPTING RESOLUTION TO NAME THEM AS ALL AT-LARGE APPOINTEES AS OPPOSED TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL NAMED

APPOINTEES. >> THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> THAT WAY YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO PICK A NAME.

IF THEY'RE ALL GOING TO GET APPOINTED, IT WILL MAKE THE PROCESS A LOT EASIER FOR THEM AS WELL I THINK.

>> TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT, WHEN WE CAME UP WITH IT, WHEN THIS IDEA WAS PROPOSED, IT WAS A PHENOMENAL IDEA AND WE WERE JUST MOVING ALONG TO GET IT STARTED AND WE MADE OUR APPOINTMENTS AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S BECOME, IT'S CAUGHT FIRE AND THERE'S ENERGY. SO WHY QUENCH THAT, SO HERE WE

ARE. >> WHEN WE CREATED IT, REMEMBER WE WENT RIGHT INTO THE PANDEMIC TOO.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> MADAME MAYOR, JUST A WORD.

>> YES, SIR. >> I'M JUST THINKING AHEAD.

JUST A WORD OF CAUTION. WE'RE DOING IT TONIGHT, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS YOUTH COUNCIL AND WE NEED TO SAY OKAY, WE DO NEED TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER.

>> YEAH. >> BECAUSE NEXT YEAR WE COULD GET 40, 50 APPLICATIONS AND WE CAN'T --

>> WOULDN'T THAT BE WONDERFUL. >> IT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

>> BUT IT'S NOT MANAGEABLE MAYBE.

>> JUST THINKING AHEAD, SOME TYPE OF LIMITATION OR SOME TYPE

OF -- >> MAYBE THE YOUTH COUNCIL COULD

COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION. >> LET THEM COME UP WITH

SOMETHING. >> YEAH.

>> BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE SITTING HERE AND WE HAVE 100, IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO HAVE 100 APPLICATIONS TO SERVE ON YOUTH COUNCIL AND THEN WE SIT HERE SAYING WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO.

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IT COULD HAPPEN BECAUSE IF THEY START DOING, WHAT I THINK AND I DON'T WANT TO CALL HER OUT, BUT WITH MIA PUTTING IT OUT AND TALKING TO ALL OF THESE KIDS, I THINK SHE SPARKED --

>> OH OKAY. SHE WENT OUT AND RECRUITED.

>> SHE WENT OUT AND RECRUITED AND TALKED TO OTHER KIDS TO COME JOIN HER AND DO STUFF. SO IF THIS GROUP COMES IN AND DOES GREAT THINGS WHICH I THINK THEY WILL, NEXT THING YOU KNOW

-- >> IT WILL CATCH ON.

>> WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT TO LOOK AT.

>> I THINK WE DON'T WANT TO STIFLE THIS, RIGHT.

EVEN IF YOU HAD 100 YOUNG YOUTH IN HERE, WHAT GREAT WAY TO GET SOME GREAT DAYS. THEY'LL BOIL DOWN THE POINTS THAT THEY WANT TO ADDRESS AND MORE OF A CONSENSUS.

SO I THINK WE CONTINUE TO GO IN THIS PROCESS.

LET'S WELCOME AND CONTINUE TO WELCOME APPLICATIONS FROM OUR YOUTH. AND I THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN ACT AS A COLLECTIVE BODY AND CHANNEL THAT INFORMATION TO US BECAUSE THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT OUR AGE GENERATION TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR NEEDS, WANTS, AND CONCERNS ARE WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY. I WOULD ALMOST SAY WE NEED TO REALLY JUST HAVE CAUTION WHEN IT COMES TO EVEN PUTTING A NUMBER ON IT. I WOULD REALLY LIKE FOR MORE OF THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A ROOMFUL.

WE'VE HAD THAT BEFORE WHEN YOUTH HAVE HAD THEIR SYMPOSIUMS. AND WHAT A GREAT WAY FOR US TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY THINK ABOUT AND HOW THEY PROCESS IT.

BUT I'M IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS RESOLUTION, ACCEPTING ALL OF

THESE NAMES MOVING FORWARD. >> IS SOMEBODY READY TO MAKE A

MOTION? >> MADAME MAYOR, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE YOUTH COUNCIL ADVISORY INCLUDING ALL OF THE APPLICANTS AS AT LARGE POSITIONS.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. > YES, MA'AM.

[b. Resolution No. 22-R41 appointing David BuShea as Commissioner Curtis Johnson's representative to the Keep Fort Pierce Beautiful Board.]

>> COMMISSIONER PERONA. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION 22-R41, A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE KEEP FORT PIERCE BEAUTIFUL ADVISORY BOARD, THIS IS DAVID BUSHEA AND COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON TO THE BOARD.

>> I MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

[14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM

THE PUBLIC. >> ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> MY NAME?

>> PLEASE. >> MY NAME IS DANA FRANCE.

I'M A VACATION RENTAL OWNER BORN AND RAISED IN FORT PIERCE.

THEY READ THE QUASI-JUDICIAL RULES ON THE RECORD.

YOUR VOTE WAS ON THE RECORD AND ISSUED A RULING WHICH CANNOT BE EVOKED BY THIS COMMISSION. EACH PERSON GOING THROUGH QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS WITH VIOLATIONS TO REVOKE THE HEARING WHICH ALSO REQUIRE DUE PROCESS. PETERSON STATED I BELIEVE THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENED, THE DUE PROCESS HAS BEEN AFFORDED TO BOTH OF THE APPLICANTS. MY PROPERTY PARCEL ID NUMBER 24016010031008 WAS APPROVED AND TRANSFERABLE WITH THE PROPERTY THROUGH THIS QUASI-JUDICIAL RULING WITH THE FOLLOWING SIX CONDITIONS. THE PROPERTY MANAGER FOR THE VACATION RENTAL SHALL BE AVAILABLE AT ALL TIMES TO RESOLVE COMPLAINTS OR VIOLATIONS OF CITY CODE, SUB MANAGER SHALL BE REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

GUIDE BOOKLETS SHALL BE PROVIDED TO RENTERS TO MINIMIZE CONFLICTS. THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE FOR AND OBTAIN CITY AND COUNTY BUSINESS TAX LICENSE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF ISSUANCE OF A LICENSE FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS AND PROFESSIONAL REGULATION. THERE SHALL BE A LIMITATION LIMITING TWO VEHICLES PER UNIT, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BUSINESS LICENSE SHALL BE PURSUANT TO ALL LICENSE.

SIDEWALKS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE CONTINUING ACCESS FOR PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS AND SIDEWALK LINKAGES SHALL BE REQUIRED TO BE PROVIDED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OR CURRENT APPLICANT OR PAY A PERMIT TO THE