Nov 14, 2022 City Commission Conference Agenda

[1. Call to Order]

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CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. MONDAY, DECEMBER 14, 2022.

STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PRESENT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, MA MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: PRESENT.

>>JERRY: PRESENT. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: HERE, MM MAN.

[a. Presentation of One St. Lucie Community Homelessness Task Force Report and Recommendations]

>> I WAS GIVING YOU TIME TO GET UP THERE.

FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PRESENTATION OF ONE ST. LOUIS COMMUNITY HOMELESSNESS TASK FORCE REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION.

>> WELL, MADAM MAYOR, I DO NOT SEE MR. JEFFERSON OR MEMBERS OF ST. LUCIE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE CURRENTLY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THEY WERE THE ONES MAKING THE PRESENTATION?

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, MA'AM, YES, MA'AM.

SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE WE CAN MOVE ON AND TRY TO COMMUNICATE REQUEST MR. JEFFERSON WHILE WE MOVE ON TO ITEM B.

[b. Discussion of health and safety ordinances related to panhandling and other activities. ]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: FINE WITH ME. LET'S MOVE ON.

>> HEALTH AND SAFETY ORDINANCES RELATED TO PANHANDLING AND OTHER

ACTIVITIES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS IS LEAVING THE PODIUM SO MI MISS EARLEY LET'S TALK TO YOU.

>> YES, MAYOR, GOOD MORNING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD MORNING.

>> I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE SHOW, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE LAWS AS IT RELATES TO PANHANDLING AND OTHER ACTIVITIES. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT INDICATED, I SEE CHIEF WRIGHT OVER THERE -- THEY WERE HAVING COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS OF FOLKS WHO ARE PANHANDLING MOSTLY IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY HAD COMPLAINTS OF PEOPLE CAMPING IN CITY PARKS OVERNIGHT AND BEING IN THERE AFTER -- AFTER PARK HOURS, ETC. I HAVE ASKED DEPUTY CHIEF RYDELL TO TRY TO GIVE US SOME ACTUAL HARD STATS SO THAT WE KIND OF CAN GET A HANDLE ON WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

SO I KNOW HE HAS -- HE HAS HAD HIS HANDS FULL LATELY WITH THE STORM. SO I THINK THOSE WILL BE FORTHCOMING AND WE DON'T HAVE THOSE TODAY AND THEY WILL TAKE SOME ANALYSIS. I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST STARTING POINT TO GET A HANDLE ON WHAT EXACTLY IS THE TYPE OF PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING AND ONCE WE KNOW EXACTLY BY THE STATS WHERE THE PROBLEM AREAS ARE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE SOLUTIONS.

SO I ATTACHED A MEMO TO -- TO TODAY'S MEETING AGENDA.

AND REGARDING THE PANHANDLING ORDINANCES, THEY ARE JUST REALLY DICEY. THEY ARE FREQUENTLY OVERTURNED BY COURTS ON FIRST AMENDMENT GROUNDS.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT MEMO, A NUMBER OF CITIES WITHIN THE LAST YEAR OR SO ENACTED PANHANDLING ORDINANCES AND HAD THEM RETURN AND HAD TO REPEAL THEM BASICALLY.

SO RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A CASE PENDING IN FT. LAUDERDALE.

AND THAT CASE IS ACTUALLY SET FOR TRIAL.

THE ATTORNEYS FILED THEIR TRIAL BRIEFS RECENTLY.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE KIND OF WAIT TO SEE, WHILE WE ARE GATHERING THE STATS AND TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT OUR ISSUES ARE HERE IN FORT PIERCE, THAT WE WAIT AND SEE WHAT THE COURTS SAY ABOUT THAT ONE AND MAY GUIDE US AND GIVE US GUARDRAILS AS TO WHERE WE CAN GO. PANHANDLING IS THE SEPARATE ISSUE THAN TWO OTHER ISSUES IN THE MEMO.

DO WE HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT FIRST BEFORE WE GO ON?

>>MAYOR: I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT WHAT I GET -- CITIZENS EXPRESS CONCERNS TO ME ABOUT THE PINEWOOD PARK AND THE FEEDING THERE. AND IT'S -- AND THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON A LONG TIME. AND I KNOW THAT MR. MIMMS HAS TRIED TO TALK TO THE PROVIDERS. MANY PEOPLE HAVE TRIED TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM FEEDING THEM THERE, BUT NOT FROM FEEDING THEM, BUT FEEDING THEM MAYBE IN THEIR OWN HOME CHURCHES OR SOME OTHER PLACE. THAT IS ONE PROBLEM AREA.

ANOTHER ONE IS, HOMELESSNESS, CAMPING OUT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

WE HAD COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT. AND WE HAD COMPLAINTS OF HOMELESS AND PEOPLE PANHANDLING AND OR DOWNTOWN -- NOT NECESSARILY HASSLING PEOPLE BUT PEOPLE BEING CONCERNED AND ALSO HOMELESS PEOPLE BEING FED IN MARINA SQUARE.

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MANY TIMES THEY ARE OUT OF SIGHT BACK IN THE WOODS AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT FEED THEM AND TAKE CARE OF THEM OFFER THEM SERVICES BACK IN THE WOODS. WE KNOW THAT TOO.

I THINK IT IS A PROBLEM ON SO MANY LEVELS.

AND IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT -- AND COMMISSIONER GAINES IS ON OUR HOMELESS TASK FORCE. HE PROBABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT THAN I DO. BUT THOSE ARE THE COMPLAINTS THAT I GET. SO, YES, COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD BE REMISED IF I DIDN'T SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC. I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLAINTS OR CONCERNS FROM OUR CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE.

BUT UNTIL WE, AS A BOARD, OR WE AS A CITY COME WITH SOME TYPE OF CONCRETE SOLUTION TO ADDRESS AND ATTACK THE HOMELESSNESS IN OUR COUNTY, THIS PROBLEM IS JUST BEING REPLACED BY SOME OTHER PROBLEM, BY SOME OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE WILL BE DOING.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD WHEN THE TASK FORCE GETS BACK TOGETHER AND TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT I JUST HEARD.

I CONCUR WITH MADAM ATTORNEY THAT WE SHOULD WAIT FOR THAT BROWARD COUNTY RULING AND FEED OFF OF THAT IF WE ARE ON THE SIDE OF THE STATE. HOWEVER, I DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN AS A COMMISSION. AND I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. BUT I DON'T WANT TO BE SEEN AS A COMMISSION THAT IS PUTTING RESTRICTIONS ON PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP THE LESS FORTUNATE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN SET UP SOMETHING. WHERE WE CAN GO FEED THEM OR -- OR THEY CAN COME GET SOME FOOD. I KNOW PEOPLE LIKE -- LIKE GRACE WAY. THEY DO A GOOD JOB.

I DON'T WANT ANY TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS WHERE WE ARE EXCLUDING A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF OUR SITUATION. I DON'T HAVE A FIX TO IT.

AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING.

I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING TO GO DOWNTOWN AND MAKE DOWNTOWN THIS DESTINATION AREA; HOWEVER, WE NEED TO FIX OUR PROBLEM FIRST BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ALWAYS SAYS, IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ONE FORT PIERCE, WE CAN'T LEAVE OUT ANYBODY IN FORT PIERCE.

WE GOT TO CAN ONE FORT PIERCE. WE NEED TO PUT OUT -- PUT OUR WORK CLOTHES ON, THINKING HATS ON, AND COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION. SOME TYPE OF AREA.

WHATEVER WE DO, IS WHATEVER WE DO BECAUSE IT IS GROWING.

I SEE THE TENTS IN THE WOODS. I SEE THE, YOU KNOW, DRIVING BY HOME DEPOT, COMING OUT -- ON JENKINS ROAD, YOU SEE THE TENTS GO UP AS SOON AS HOME DEPOT IS CLOSING AND RIGHT THERE AND TO THEM IT IS A SAFE SPOT BECAUSE IT IS A TRAVELED AREA.

AND WE KNOW FOR A FACT THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PROJECTS HAVE COME BEFORE US ON JENKINS ROAD.

THAT WILL BE AN ISSUE SOON. SO WE JUST NEED TO PUT IT -- PUT IT ON OUR AGENDA. PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER AND THINK ABOUT IT. AND LET'S BE -- LET'S BE THE LEAD. LET'S BE THE LEAD OF THE STATE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING AND SAY THIS IS WHAT FORT PIERCE IS DOING AND LET THE STATE LOOK AT US AND SAY THIS IS HOW WE ATTACK

OUR HOMELESS PROBLEMS. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: THE APPROACH IS JUST THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OR REGIONALIZATION ON THIS WHOLE THING.

THE REGIONALIZATION THE ONLY WAY THIS WILL WORK IS IF WE COME UP WITH AN OUTLINE OF HOW TO APPROACH THIS THAT EVERYBODY CAN ADOPT AND HELP WITH THE EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS THE ONLY WAY. FORT PIERCE IS JUST DOING THEIR OWN THINKING AND PORT ST. LUCIE IS DOING THEIR OWN THING AND THE COUNTY IS ONLY DOING THEIR OWN THING, THIS THING WILL NOT TRANSLATE VERY WELL TO THE PUBLIC.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: COMMISSIONER PERON THAT.

I AGREE WITH THAT 100% AND ONE THING I LEARNED ON THE TASK FORCE IS I KNOW THAT MY COLLEAGUE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH WILL GET MAD AT ME, BUT I DON'T REALLY CARE.

FORT PIERCE IS THE DROP-OFF. THEY HAVE PROBLEMS, GO TO FORT PIERCE, GO TO FORT PIERCE, GO TO FORT PIERCE, ONE THING WE NEED

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BRING IN THE COUNTY. BRING IN MARTIN COUNTY.

AND HOWEVER WE CAN DO IT AND WE ALL NEED TO COME UP WITH -- COME UP WITH THE IDEA OF HOW WE ARE DOING IT.

BECAUSE THE ONE THING I LEARNED AT THE TASK FORCE WAS THAT WHEN CERTAIN COUNTIES. I WILL JUST PUT IT THAT WAY.

AND THEY CALL CERTAIN COUNTIES THAT 211 NUMBER OF CERTAIN COUNTIES, PEOPLE ARE BRINGING -- THEY GO PICK IT UP AND BRINGING HOMELESSNESS AND TROP THEM OFF IN ST. LUCIE AND FORT PIERCE.

FOR SOME AREAS DESIGNATED AS THE AREA TO HELP THE FORT PIERCE, WHICH IS FINE. BUT IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO THAT, YOU WILL JOIN IN AND HELP US WITH THE SITUATION.

SO COMMISSIONER PERONA, I AGREE 100%.

I KNOW YOU ARE COUNTING YOUR DAYS, BUT THAT TASK FORCE IS ALWAYS LOOKING FOR -- ALWAYS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO COME SIT ON IT SO YOU CAN JOIN US -- YOU CAN COME JOIN US WHEN WE CRANK IT BACK UP VERY SOON AND WE LOVE YOUR INPUT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SO WE KIND OF GOT INTO THE -- THE DISCUSSION ON A, BUT B KIND OF PLAYS INTO THAT.

SO DID YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD, MISS EARLEY.

>> MAYOR, I WILL ADDRESS THE TWO OTHER THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. NUMBER ONE, ACTIVITIES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. THEY CAN BE EASIER AND HARDER TO FIX. IF YOU HAVE COOPERATION OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY THEY WANT PEOPLE REMOVED FROM THEIR PROPERTY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEIR COOPERATION AND YOU WANT TO ALLOW THESE PERSONS TO BE ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEN WE ARE REALLY LIMITED TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF OUR NUISANCE LAWS AND IT WOULD BE IF ALLOWING INDIVIDUALS TO STAY ON THEIR PROPERTY ACTUALLY VIOLATE SOME OTHER ASPECT OF THEIR CODE. AT THIS POINT WOULD BE THE ONLY POINT WE CAN STEP IN. AS FAR AS FOOD DISTRIBUTION IS CONCERNED, OTHER CITIES HAVE ADDRESSED IT WITH VARYING LEVELS OF SUCCESS. .FT. LAUDERDALE, I THINK, TRIED TO BAN IT ALL TOGETHER AND THEIR PARKS AND THAT WAS OVERTURNED ON FIRST AMENDMENT GROUNDS ORLANDO INSTITUTED A PERMITTING PROCESS AND THAT WAS UPHELD. BUT AGAIN, A LOT OF THESE ACTIVITIES ARE -- THEY DON'T SOUND LIKE FREE SPEECH ISSUES BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE COURT VIEWS THEM.

WHATEVER THE CASE, WHATEVER LEGISLATION OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT ENACTS, THEY HAVE TO BE APPROPRIATELY TAILORED TO THE PROBLEM THEY ARE TRYING TO FIX. SO IF IT IS TOO BROAD A LAW OR TOO BLUNT OF AN INSTRUMENT, THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ENACTING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT POTEN POTENTIALLY ENAFORCEABLE. THAT IS WHERE THE DATA COMES IN AND WE HAVE GOT TO GET A HANDLE ON STATISTICS AND BESIDES INDIVIDUAL REPORTS WHICH ARE HELPFUL IN RAISING AN ISSUE AND ALLOWING US TO SEE THERE IS A PROBLEM.

WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE DATA TO JUSTIFY ANY LEGISLATIVE ACTION THAT THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO TAKE.

AND SECONDARY TO THAT, WHAT I AM HEARING IS THERE IS REALLY A LOGISTICAL. THERE COULD BE POTENTIALLY LOGISTICAL FIX THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY LEGISLATION BASED THAT MAY BE LOOKING WITH OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT PARTNERS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PARTNERS, YEP. I WANT TO HEAR FROM DEPUTY CHIEF RIDEL. WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU FOR

STATISTICS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, WHEN DEPUTY CHIEF IS MAKING HIS WAY, I WILL CHIME IN ON ONE THING. I SIT ON THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. I AM SURE THIS IS UP AND DOWN -- I WILL BRING THIS UP TO SEE IF THERE ARE BEST PRACTICES AND RESOURCES TO MAYBE PULL TOGETHER THAT COULD HELP FOSTER SOME OF THE NORTHERN, SOUTHERN CONVERSATIONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I HAVE HEARD THAT FOR YEARS.

I HAVE HEARD THAT FOR YEARS. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

I AM SERIOUS THOUGH. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DEPUTY CHIEF.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

FROM NOVEMBER OF 2020 TO NOVEMBER 2021, WE HAD 234 CALLS OF SERVICE CONCERNING PANHANDLING SPECIFICALLY.

THE SAME TIME PERIOD A YEAR LATER, WE HAD 351 CALLS OF PANHANDLING, AN INCREASE OF 117 CALLS FOR SERVICE.

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WE DO GET SOME CALLS FROM CITIZENS.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE CALLS COME ANYWHERE FROM SABLE PALM PLAZA, TAYLOR CREEK COMMONS, THE SUNRISE AND GEORGIA BOULEVARD, VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK, THE CITY MARINA, THE RENAISSANCE BUILDING, DOWNTOWN, HOUSE OF SEVEN GABLES.

WE GET CALLS FOR CAMPS AT TIME AROUND THE INDIAN HILLS AREA, AROUND VETERANS PARK AND THE WESTERN I-95 AREA, AND WE EVEN

HAD A CAMP OUT ON THE BEACH. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ON SOUTH BEACH.

>> RIGHT ON THE BEACH, THE SEAGRAPES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE NO SEE UMS MUST HAVE BEEN AWFUL.

DID YOU SAY PINEWOOD PARK, ARE THEY IN THE STATS?

>> WE DON'T GET CALLS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PINEWOOD PARK BUT THE OVERFLOW FROM PINEWOOD PARK.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: LIKE THE PLAZA. >> LIKE THE PLAZA.

A FEW YEARS AGO WE HAD A STABBING COMMITTED AT THE PLAZA AND OVERFLOW FROM PINEWOOD PARK. SIX OR SEVEN GROUPS WE MADE OFFICIAL CONTACT WITH THAT FEED AND DROP OFF THINGS AT PINEWOOD PARK. AN AREA TO DROP THESE THINGS OFF. BRINGING THEM AND DROPPING THEM OFF. A CLOTHING COLLECTION BOX UNDER

A PAVILION AT ONE TIME. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I KNOW THAT HAS HAPPENED AT MARINA SQUARE ALSO, CLOTHING.

AND I KNOW -- I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT RESTRICT ING BUT WHAT I HD IN MIND WAS SOME KIND OF ALTERNATIVE.

SOME KIND OF A WAY TO -- BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT AREA IN GEORGIA AND U.S. 1 IS THAT -- IT DOES SPREAD OUT TO THE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE. AND IT DOES EFFECT THOSE BUSINESSES AROUND THERE. AND IT'S -- IT IS A THORNY ISSUE BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO BE -- YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT CHARITABLE AND YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR BUSINESSES ARE SUCCESSFUL AND SO, ANYBODY ELSE?

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON I. .<,NEW LINE>>> J[L]O[L]H[L]N: DEPUTY MAYOR, PANNED. WERE THEY MORE BROAD IN NATURE.

>> THEY WERE MORE BROAD. YOU ARE REFERRING TO ACCOSTING

SOMEONE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: AGGRESSIVE

SOLICITATION. >> I DON'T KNOW WE HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAD PROBLEMS BECAUSE OF THE STORM -- WAIT, I DIDN'T KNOW I COULD MULTITASK.

>> I DON'T HAVE EYES IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD.

>> THAT -- WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO -- I DIDN'T SAY IT EARLIER BUT WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO BREAK THIS DOWN HOW KIND OF THE MEMO READS AND OUR CONVERSATIONS HAVE GONE.

HOW WE HANDLE EACH ITEM. MISS UEARLY AND THE CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF TALKED ABOUT IT AND A CHALLENGE WITHOUT A DOUBT.

ORGANIZATION THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A CHALLENGE YET. AS SOON AS YOU SAID ORLANDO, I KIND OF THOUGHT THAT SOUNDS GOOD MUCH A PERMIT TO HAVE MORE AND MORE CATERED EVENT BUT IS THAT REALLY THE SOLUTION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: IT BECOMES ALMOST OFFICIAL.

>> BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR MOMENT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANOTHER COMPLAINT OF WHAT IS HAPPENING

AT THE TURNPIKE AND I-95. >> PEOPLE STAND THE MEDIAN AND APPROACHING VEHICLES. A STATE STATUTE THAT ADDRESSES THAT. YOU CAN NOT DO THAT.

IT IS SO COMMON. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IF SOMEBODY IS DOING IT AND WATCH IT, DO THEY CALL 911.

WHO DO THEY CALL? >> WE RARELY GET CALLS FOR THAT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: BUT HOW DOES THAT GET STOPPED THE PERSON TOLD

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>> THEY WOULD TELL THEM OF A STATUTE AND THEY LEAVE.

THEY MAY COME BACK -- ONE PERSON WAS CITED -- I DON'T REMEMBER THE CASE BUT CITED SOMEONE ON VIRGINIA AND U.S. 1.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SOME OF THE MOTELS OUT THERE HAVE BEFORE -- PROVIDED HOUSING TO PEOPLE WHO WERE TRANSIENT AND WHATEVER.

AND IT JUST THERE IS -- AND THEN I HEARD ABOUT THE HOME DEPOT COME GLOMERATION OF WHERE THE TRANSPORTATION IS.

>> TRANSIENT WITH THE TRUCK STOPS AS WELL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR DEPUTY CHIEF RYDELL. ANYTHING ELSE? IF YOU COME UP WITH A SOLUTION, LET US KNOW.

YOU DON'T NEED DIRECTION BECAUSE IT IS UP IN THE AIR WHAT WE CAN

AND CAN'T DO. >> GIVE IT A COUPLE OF MONTHS.

WE CONTINUE TO TREAT THE SYMPTOMS OF THE PROBLEM LIKE LITTERING AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT AS FAR AS THE SPECIFIC PANHANDLING ORDINANCE GIVE IT A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO SEE WHERE THE COURT COMES DOWN AND WE WILL SEE WHERE THE COMMISSION COMES.

>> WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IT WILL NOT CHANGE NOT IN THE NEAR FEATURE ANYWAY.

AS LONG AS WE ARE AHEAD OF THE GAME AND WATCHING OTHER CASES AND TRYING TO ADOPT OUR CODE TO DO SOMETHING.

I WILL SAY THIS ONE THINNING AND THEN BE FINISHED.

I AM NOT SURE WHAT CHANGED BUT THE LOCATIONS HAVE.

THIS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THEY ARE WITH

THE FOOD BANK. >> AND INDIVIDUALS INDIVIDUALLY WORKING AND THAT IS THE GOOD THING AND I AM ENCOURAGED TO SEE THAT. AND THEN POPULATION IS INCREASING. SO LOCATIONS ARE GOING TO EXPAND WHETHER IT IS IN PUBLIC PROPERTY

OR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: 1,000 PEOPLE A DAY ARE COMING TO FLORIDA AND MAY NOT HAVE HOMES TO COME TO.

ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC? WE WILL MOVE ON.

[c. Providing updates and status on Capital Improvement Projects.]

>> GO BACK FOR AN UPDATE ON 4-A. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: NO MA'AM.

>> 4C, PROVIDING UPDATES ON STATUS OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT

PROJECT. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: OUR

EVER-GROWING AND EVOLVING CCIP. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. ANDREWS.

>> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

IT WENT TO SLEEP. >> THE CAPS LOCK IS ON.

YOU HAVE TO UNDO THE CAPS LOCK.

>> GOOD MORNING, AGAIN. THIS IS JUST AN OVERVIEW OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT LIST THAT WE HAVE GOING ON.

I ALWAYS LIKE TO DO THIS KIND OF RECAP LAST YEAR, WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE FISCAL YEAR '22.

8TH STREET FROM AVENUE D TO E GETTING CLOSE TO FINISHING THAT UP AND SHOULD HAVE THAT COMPLETED.

WE HAVE THE FIRST LIFT OF ASPHALT ON IT.

CURRENTLY WORKING ON SIDEWALKS AND EVERYTHING.

SO, THERE, AGAIN, WE CONTINUE TO STRUGGLE WITH OUR TWO UTILITY COMPANIES: COMCAST AND AT&T. IT IS JUST REALLY DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH, ESPECIALLY COMCAST. WE DON'T GET THE BEST RESPONSE

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WE NEED TO APPROACH SOME TIME. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT. HAVE YOU TALKED TO MISS HURLINGLY OR THEIR LEGAL. I KNOW YOU ARE DEALING WITH THEIR FIELD FOLKS AND ENGINEERS IN THE OFFICE.

ANY WAY TO ENHANCE THAT COMMUNICATION A LITTLE BIT?

>> COMMISSIONER, YES, WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE OUR ORDINANCE.

BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, THEY JUST -- THEY BASICALLY IGNORE IT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THEY DO?

INTERESTING. >> TRY TO COME UP WITH

SUGGESTIONS OF HOW TO -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: BECAUSE THEY LOBBIED IN THE LEGISLATURE AND KIND OF GOT THEIR WAY.

WE CAN PUT OUR GADGETS ANYWHERE AND THAT IS SUPPOSED TO IT BE

UNIFORM, RIGHT? >> YES.

WHAT THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO LAY THEIR CLAIM TO IS EVERY PROJECT WE DO, THEY CALL IT AN ENHANCEMENT.

WELL, NOT ALL OF OUR PROJECTS ARE ENHANCEMENT.

THERE IS A NECESSITY THAT WE NEED TO REDO THE STREET, REDO THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS. AND THIS IS NOT ALWAYS

ENHANCEMENTS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHY DOES THAT MATTER. THEY CAN CHARGE YOU MORE?

>> YES, A LITTLE BLUSH IN THE STATE STATUTE THAT IF IT IS A STREET IMPROVEMENT ENHANCEMENT LANDSCAPING THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. THAT THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO IT BY STATE STATUTE. SO THAT --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: EVERY TIME YOU WORK ON OUR STREET IT IS

ENHANCED -- IMPROVEMENT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND.

COSTING US MONEY. THAT MEANS THAT ENHANCEMENT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THEY ARE CHARGING MORE FOR IF THEY HAVE TO MOVE A BOX OR REROUTE THEIR LINES.

THAT IS WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT COSTING US MONEY?

>> YES, AND WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTING THAT THE UTILITIES GO UNDERGROUND. SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AUTHORITY ON THAT.

NOW IT HAS COME TO THE FACT THAT ALL THE MATERIALS, ALL THE LABOR, ALL THE DESIGN, THE COMCAST AND AT&T IS EXPECTED IN THE CITY TO PAY THAT. AND IF THEY DON'T, THEY STOP.

>> APPROXIMATELY. WE HAVE A PROJECT ON AVENUE D IS HALF A MILLION. THIS COST OF $554,000.

THIS COST OF AT&T IS IN THIS PRICING THAT IS COSTING US THIS.

IS THAT A FAIR WAY TO LOOK AT IT SOMEWHERE?

>> WELL, AVENUE D IS NOT THAT BAD BECAUSE HE THE MAJORITY OF IT FROM U.S. 1 TO 29TH STREET. MOST OF THAT IS UNDERGROUND ALREADY. THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PART FROM U.S. 1 TO INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. THAT COST IS NOT FIGURED INTO

OUR COST YET. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

OKAY, OKAY. >> THAT WILL PROBABLY BE -- JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, $80,000 TO $100,000.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: LAST COMMENT, I GUESS, MAYBE, MADAM MAYOR, NEED A CONVERSATION WITH OUR STATE OFFICIALS, ELECTED OFFICIALS AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS AS WELL BECAUSE THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT WE NEED SOME HELP BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE STREETS ARE IN REALLY BAD DISREPAIR.

I MEAN THIS -- IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE IF IT RAINS ON SOME OF THE STREETS BECAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE THE WATER IN ENOUGH TIME.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD CONVERSATION.

AS I UNDERSTAND THESE PROJECTS. THAT'S WHY I LOOK SPECIFICALLY -- LOOKING AT THIS ONE -- I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE BETWEEN D AND E.

WE DON'T HAVE ISSUE WITH AT&T AND COMCAST NEXT TO THE FUNERAL CHAPEL, OR DID WE? ON THE 17TH STREET WE HAD AN

ISSUE TOO? >> ALSO ON 8TH STREET.

THERE WAS A DELAY ON THAT. WE ENDED UP PAYING THEM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: HELPFUL FOR ME AND MAYBE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO KNOW THAT PRICE, WHATEVER I COSTS TO DO THAT STREET, IS CONTRIBUTED TO THE COMCAST AT&T ISSUE WE ARE FACED WITH. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE HAVE SOME -- OUR PROJECTS ARE OVERRUN AND COSTING US MORE BECAUSE OF THIS ISSUE. I THINK IT HELPS WITH THE BETTER CONVERSATION WITH MY STATE OFFICIALS AND FEDERAL OFFICIALS TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THAT IS MONEY THAT -- THAT IS NOT HELPING US. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO

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MY ATTENTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: EXCUSE ME JUST A MINUTE. WE WILL BE DOING LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES PRETTY SOON FOR THIS COMMISSION.

>> YES, MA'AM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE FACTORED INTO THAT MAYBE.

SOME WAY. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AND ALSO OUR CITY ENGINEER.

OUR CITY ENGINEER AND I HAVE SPOKE THAT BATTLING WITH COMCAST IS SOMETHING WHERE WE WILL NOT WIN WITHOUT OUTSIDE HELP.

WHAT WE ARE INTENDED TO DO IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RECONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES TO INCLUDE THEIR ACTUAL RELOCATION US PAYING FOR THAT. WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR OUR CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS. WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AND CAPTURE ALL OF OUR COSTS AND ALL OF OUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM.

AND WE WILL PROCEED WITH WHATEVER TYPE OF AVENUE WE NEED TO RECOUP THOSE FUNDS. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST.

WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I WANT TO ADD TO THAT TOO.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW AND D.O.T. DOES IT ALL THE TIME IN ADDITION TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. IT HAPPENS ACROSS FLORIDA.

THE COMMUNICATION WITH AT&T -- AND COMMUNICATION FOLKS IN THE WORLD HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE DAY. MR. BUCKWALL IN THE OFFICE SEEN IT. JACK HAS SEEN IT.

NOTHING NEW. COLLECTIVELY WE NEED TO START HAVING THIS CONVERSATION MAYBE IN A BROADER SPECTRUM WITH OUR STATE OFFICIALS, FEDERAL LIKE YOU SAID, COMMISSIONER.

AND JUST REALIZE WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO OUR RESIDENTS.

I MEAN -- THAT IS -- 17TH STREET WAS 1.WHATEVER MILLION AND A CHANGE ORDER IN $30,000 TO $40,000 IN THE 11TH -- IF NOT 12TH HOUR. AND IT IS LIKE, WAIT A SECOND.

WHAT -- YOU GUYS ARE A REVENUE-PRODUCING AGENCY OR

BUSINESS, AND WE ARE HERE -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: HELPING THEM

STAY IN BUSINESS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: AND SIGN UP AND PAY SOME MONTHLY FEES.

>> EXACTLY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: PROCEED.

>> STREET RESURFACING. WE COMPLETED OUR 2022 STREET RESURFACING. AND WE ARE MOVING RIGHT INTO THE '23. WE HAVE A LIST THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED. AND WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE UTILITY AUTHORITY ON THAT. AND GETTING THAT GOING.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF MOVE IT UP IN THE YEAR AND KIND OF GET THAT GOING IN THE SPRING, THE '23 RESURFACING.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE HAVING GREAT COOPERATION WITH UTILITY

AUTHORITY? >> YES, I AM.

PAYMENT MARKINGS ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE.

WE MANAGED TO GET THAT IN. THAT IS FROM CITRUS TO SAVANNAH.

AND UPDATED THE PAYMENT MA MARKINGS.

I AM LOOKING AT DOING MORE OF THAT THIS YEAR.

PROBABLY TARGET ING OKEECHOBEE AND PARTS OF DELAWARE TO GET THAT FRESHENED UP BECAUSE -- EVEN THOUGH THAT IS A COUNTY ROAD, THERE IS A INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT THE CITY MAINTAINS THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS. I WAS HOPING TO HOLD OFF ON THAT UNTIL THEY RESURFACE IT. FROM THE LATEST CORRESPONDENCE, WE ARE PROBABLY NOT SEEING OKEECHOBEE RESURFACED WITHIN THE

NEXT FIVE YEARS. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

WHAT ABOUT DELAWARE? >> DELAWARE, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY

COURSE. .<,NEW LINE>>> SO DENSE ON THAT EITHER. KEEP ASKING.

>> WE ARE SAYING ANASTASIA. THERE IS IMMEDIATE NEED.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: THE CITY AND COUNTY HAVE NOT CONTACTED THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE NOR THE IMPROVEMENT OF THAT ROADWAY.

THAT IS A COUNTY ROAD. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A COUNTY ROAD AND THEY ARE IN NEED OF IT AND SAINT ANASTASIA LIVE WITH IT

EVERY DAY. >> WE WERE ALL AT THAT MEETING AND TALKING ABOUT THE DIPS AND THE SWELLS AND SOUNDED LIKE THE COUNTY WAS TAKING CHARGE OF THAT AND WILL BE DONE SOON.

>> OFF ON THAT CULVERT SITUATION TO

TOO. >> UTILITIES WAS A BIG PART OF THAT. MY LAST CONVERSATION WITH THE UTILITIES ASSOCIATION, THEY WERE NOT CONTACTED EITHER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE NEED TO BE REMINDING THEM OF THAT.

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>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: A BUNCH OF NEW PEOPLE THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: LOOK AT HIM SMILING.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I LIKE CHANGE.

I LIKE CHANGE. >> BEACH PARKING.

IT FAIRED VERY WELL THROUGH THE STO STORM. I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF GOOD COMMENTS ABOUT THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: BEAUTIFUL.

IT IS REALLY BEAUTIFUL. >> THE INDIANS FORT PIERCE HILLS TRAIL WAS COMPLETED THIS YEAR AND A GRANT FROM D.O.T.

BROUGHT US TO THE LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR MOVING AT OTHER PROJECTS.

THE 2020 STREET RESURFACING AREA.

23RD TO 28TH IN THE AREA FROM ORANGE AVENUE TO MORRIS CREEK IN THAT AREA. BOSTON AVENUE, IN THAT SAME AREA. WHEN I DO THE RESURFACING, I TRY TO PUT THEM IN THE SAME AREA AND MORE ECONOMICAL FOR THE CONTRACTOR AND HIT CAN THE STREET IN THE CITY AND MOVING AROUND. SO SI FIND THAT THE IT WORKS BEST WITH THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY AND WORKS BEST WITH

EVERYONE TO CLUSTER THE SERVICE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE CUMULATIVE

EFFECT IS VERY POSITIVE TOO. >> I WOULD SAY.

OKAY. AVENUE B WHICH GOES FROM 8TH STREET TO 13TH STREET THE DESIGN HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.

WE HAVE GONE OUT ON BID ON THAT. THE CONTRACT HAS BEEN AWARDED.

THE CONTRACTOR IS WORKING ON MATERIAL ACQUISITIONS AND WE FIND THAT OUR PROJECTS NOW ARE STILL HARD TO GET MATERIALS.

CONCRETE STRUCTURES. CONCRETE PIPE IS REALLY THE KIND OF THE ITEMS THAT WE STRUGGLE THE MOST WITH.

AND LOOKS LIKE IT -- HE HAS HAD THIS MATERIAL ON ORDER.

LOOKS LIKE FIRST OF JANUARY WE ARE TRYING TO GET UNDER WAY.

THE UTILITIES WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

AND SO WE WILL JUST GO INTO DRAINAGE AND PAVEMENT IN THAT.

SO THERE AGAIN, WE ARE SO -- SO STRUGGLING WITH AT&T AND COMCAST. BEACH COURT UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

STARTED OFF WITH THE WATER AND SEWER WORK THAT IS GOING ON THERE. ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE WRAPPED UP WITHIN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR WEEKS AND RIGHT INTO THE DRAINAGE AND PAVING WORK THERE. ANTICIPATING APRIL OF THIS

COMING YEAR BEING COMPLETED. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, CAN YOU GO BACK TO PAGE 4, THE LIST OF ROADS? AND I WILL TELL YOU WHY -- THE REASON WHY I GET THE CALLS OF -- LIKE YOU JUST DID 29TH STREET FROM -- NOT 29TH STREET BUT AVENUE M FROM -- AWL AVENUE M FROM --

>> 25TH TO -- >> I GET THE CALLS FROM THE NEIGHBORS. [LAUGHTER] I GET THE CALLS FROM THE NEIGHBOR, WHY DID THEY DO THAT STREET AND NOT MY STREET. THOSE ARE THE CALLS I GET.

I MEAN, THEY LOVE THE WORK OVER THERE -- I AM JUST TELLING YOU.

THOSE ARE THE CALLS I GET. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN, IF YOU CAN, WHY WE PICK CERTAIN AREAS OR IS THERE -- IS THERE A MASTER PLAN TO DO IT SO THEY CALL ME I CAN SAY -- I CAN SAY -- SO THEY WON'T CALL YOU, THEY CALL ME AND I CAN SAY HEY, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING ON. THIS IS WHY THEY ARE DOING IT.

>> YES, COMMISSIONER, WE DO. WE HAVE A PLAN WITH ALL THE STREETS AND THE CONDITION OF ALL THE STREETS.

THE NEIGHBORING STREETS ARE -- >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I NKNOW

>> THEIR FAIR TO POOR. AND SOME STREETS ARE A LITTLE POORER THAN OTHERS AND ALSO WE LOOK AT THE VOLUMES ON THE STREETS. SO IF IT IS NOT AS BAD CONDITION, HAS A LOWER VOLUME, THAT MAY SLIP FOR A YEAR OR SO.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT WE ARE

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BUT -- THAT LITTLE AREA BETWEEN 29TH, THAT HAS CREATED A WHOLE

LOT OF -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: ONCE YOU SEE SOMETHING REALLY NICE, YOU SAY I BEEN AT THAT FOR MY STREET.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: A WHOLE LOT OF CONVERSATIONS OVER THERE BECAUSE IT IS NICE -- IT'S NICE. I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT I AM HEARING. WHERE I -- THEY DID THAT STREET BECAUSE THAT IS THE CHURCH HE GREW UP IN.

OH, YES! >>MAYOR HUDSON: EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION ONLY A YEAR.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ONLY A YEAR.

THOSE ARE THE TYPE -- YOU DID NOT DO THAT -- YOU DID NOT -- I -- MAN, I AM JUST TELLING YOU WHAT I AM GETTING CALLS ABOUT.

Y'ALL CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, BUT I LOVE -- IT LOOKS GREAT. AND AVENUE.B. LOOKS GREAT.

IF YOU START GETTING THOSE CALLS, THEY ARE OUT THERE AND

COMING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: TELL THEM TO

CALL JACK. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT IS WHY I WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION.

>> I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE YOUR HOME CHURCH WAS.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: COMMISSIONER GAINES, I AM GLAD YOU ARE GETTING THEM -- I GOT THEM FIRST.

THIS IS WHAT I WOULD SAY TO THE PUBLIC IS WE ARE NOW ENGAGED IN HAVING -- THE CITY AND THE STAFF ARE ENGAGEDND AND ALL OF US UP HERE ARE REPRESENTING ONE FORT PIERCE 37.

WE HAVE IDENTIFIED EVEN BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, THAT STREET WAS IDENTIFIED BEFORE YOU EVEN GOT HERE BECAUSE IT WAS IN POOR, POOR, POOR SHAPE EVEN WHEN I RAN FOR TO OF.

AND YOU KNOW LITERALLY IF YOU DROVE DOWN THAT STREET INCH THE PAST NO LINES AND JUST BASIC STUFF.

WHAT I WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR THAT YOUR COMMISSIONERS ARE EN JAJED. THEY ARE ENGAGED AND -- ARE ENGAGED. THEY ARE ENGAGED AND IT IS IN A SYSTEM THAT IS FILTERED THROUGH AND I AM GLAD THAT WE FINISHED -- WHAT 600 WORTH OF PAVINGS AND BACK TO FISCAL YEAR 23 WITH THE -- WHEREAS IN THE PAST PRIOR, THIS WAS -- THESE ARE NOT THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE SEEING. WE SAW NO PROJECTS COMING.

SO I AM JUST HAPPY THAT THE PROJECTS ARE COMING TO THIS.

AND WE WILL WORK THROUGH IT. IT IS OUR PLAN.

WE HAD A GREAT BUDGETING CYCLE AND HOPEFULLY THE PUBLIC REALIZES THAT WE ARE TAKING OUR TAX DOLLARS AND PUTTING THEM BACK INTO -- INTO THE SURCHARGE. PUTTING THEM BACK INTO THE SYSTEM TO GET OUR NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKING GOOD.

AND SO THANK YOU, MR. ANDREWS. >> GEORGIA AVENUE.

BASIN WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS.

THIS IS -- A LOT OF THIS WORK IS IN THE AREA OF THE GOLF COURSE.

THIS IS AN UNDEVELOPED -- I DON'T KNOW WETLANDS THAT HAVE BEEN GROWN UP AND, AS YOU NKNOW BASIN THAT DISCHARGES TO THE GOLF COURSE AND 200 ACRES DRAIN THROUGH THERE.

IT DRAINS DIRECTLY -- TAKES IN THE AREA SUNRISE AND THOSE AREAS, GEORGIA AVENUE COME DOWN THAT WHICH.

DRAIN RIGHT INTO THE GOLF COURSE AND DRAIN RIGHT INTO THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON. NOTHING THAT HOLDS IT BACK.

STOPS IT, DELAYS IT, ANYTHING. THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO KIND OF PUT IN THE IMPROVEMENTS TO IMPROVE THE WATER QUALITY.

WE WILL PUT AN OUTFALL STRUCTURE IN THE LAKE AT THE GOLF COURSE.

THERE WILL BE STRUCTURES THAT TAKE THE SENTIMENT BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE GOLF COURSE. THIS WILL BE -- THIS AREA YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE IS THE CLEANING FOR THE BIO SWELL.

THE WATER WILL COME THROUGH HERE, AND GO THROUGH THE DIFFERENT ROCKS AND PLANT LIFE TO CLEANSE THE BAUER BEFORE IT DISCHARGES INTO THE RIVER. SO THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT.

GRANT FROM SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO DO THIS.

AND IN CULMINATION WITH THE SURTAX MONEY BECAUSE ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED WHEN WE FIRST CAME UP WITH OUR

LIST OF PROJECTS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: JACK, IF YOU COULD, YOU SAID 200 ACRES ROUGHLY.

GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE WESTERN BOUNDARIES NORTH AND SOUTH

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>> YEAH, I WOULD SAY, I KNOW -- FROM -- IF YOU GO ON SUNRISE, COMING ALONG THERE, IT IS SUNRISE IS THE WESTERN BOUNDARY.

IT GOES PAST PARKWAY UP TO GEORGIA AVENUE.

SO THAT WHOLE AREA IN THERE PINEWOOD PARK AND EVERYTHING.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HOW FAR WEST IS IT PICKING UP?

>> WEST -- I KNOW PART OF THE 7TH STREET DOES DRAIN TO THAT.

AND THAT IS PROBABLY THE WESTERN BOUNDARY IS 7TH STREET.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GET UP TO DELAWARE TOO OR NOT QUITE?

>> DOES NOT GO TO DELAWARE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: STILL A LOT OF ACREAGE TO TREAT AND THESE LITTLE POCKETS WITHIN OUR CITY AND TRYING TO TREAT THIS WATER BEFORE WE RELEASE IT ON OUR EASTERN BOUNDARIES IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HELP THE LAGOON.

SO -- I HAVE BEEN EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR A LONG TIME AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A LONG TIME.

GOOD STUFF HAPPENING. THANK YOU.

>> OHIO AVENUE. THIS IS FROM U.S. 1 TO 11TH STREET FROM THE ROUNDABOUT IN OHIO AND SUNRISE.

PLANS ARE WE JUST RECEIVED A 100% PLANS.

WE WERE DOING AN IN-HOUSE REVIEW OF THAT AND ANTICIPATING THE END OF THIS YEAR, FIRST OF NEXT OF HAVING THAT OUT TO BID.

AND PROCEEDING WITH THAT PROJECT.

THE STREETSCAPE WILL ANTICIPATE THE REVISED PLANS BACK NEXT WEEK AND LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT. I MET WITH THE HOMEOWNERS OF EDGARTOWN ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND WENT THROUGH THE PLANS WITH THEM AND THEY SEEMED REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO DO THAT. WE ADDED A LITTLE BIT ON TO IT ON THE WESTERN PART FROM 25TH TO 29TH.

NO PROJECT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND I WANTED TO INCLUDE THAT IN IT. SO WE SENT THAT BACK TO THE DESIGNERS TO HAVE SIDEWALKS TO TIE 25TH STREET WITH 29TH STREET. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD

IMPROVEMENT THERE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR. I APPRECIATE THAT.

THIS IS A MAY JO JOR STREETSCAPE FROM THAT AREA.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM #TH STREET ENGAGE TO KIND OF HAVE A MEETING TO LET THEM KNOW THIS IS A MAJOR DISRUPTER OF TRAFFIC.

FUNERAL HOMES ON THAT. YOU HAVE A LOT OF TOUGH ON AVENUE D. AND WOULD LIKE THE COMMUNITY TO BE AWARE OF A TIME TABLE MUCH WITH EDGARTOWN AND I WILL BE HAPPY WORKING WITH MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER TO GET THE WORD OUT TO GET PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT. SOME OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS OF ENTREPRENEURS COMING ONLINE ALONG AVENUE D WILL BE DISRUPTED. IN A GOOD WAY -- I MEAN THIS IS GOING TO BE GREAT. HAVE THE PROACTIVE MEETING UP FRONT AND MAY NOT BE PROACTIVE OF THE MEETINGS AND ROADS ARE BLOCKED AND A MAJOR PROJECT. WE ARE GOING TO HEAR IT.

EVERYBODY IS GOING TO HEAR IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: NERVOUS.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE EXAMPLE ON MERVINS AND THAT SORT OF THING. THAT IS WHAT IS ON MY MIND AND I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOU ON THIS AND I THINK WE ALL SHOULD BECAUSE THIS IS -- THIS IS GOING TO BE A MAJOR CORRIDOR AND A

MAJOR, MAJOR IMPROVEMENT. >> COMMISSIONER, HOPEFULLY WITH OUR MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC, IT IS NOT GOING TO BE THAT DISRUPTIVE. THE MAJOR WORK IS GOING TO BE THE REPLACEMENT OF THE CROSSWALKS.

SO PROBABLY -- WHAT I ENVISION WITH OUR CONTRACTOR THAT WE WILL PROBABLY TAKE MAYBE A TWO-BLOCK AREA AND CLOSE DOWN AVENUE D.

HAVE THE DETOUR AROUND IT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THE

CLOSED DOWN. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE CLOSED DOWN PART. THAT WILL MAKE THE PHONE RING.

IT SOUNDS GREAT. I AM ALL FOR IT AND I WILL SUPPORT IT, BUT MAKE SURE WE ARE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE AS WE

GET THIS WORD OUT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD IDEA.

I AM VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THE GATEWAY ARCH IS IN THIS.

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>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: A GREAT PROJECT.

I WANT TO BE PROACTIVE AND SUPPORT THIS IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN IN AN AREA THAT ELECTED TWO OF US.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THIS AND HEAR THIS UP FRONT, YES YOUR LIFE WILL BE INTERRUPTED.

MAY NOT GO FROM THESE TWO BLOCKS --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GO THROUGH ALL THAT PAIN TO GET SOMETHING

BEAUTIFUL. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR TO GET RID OF THE PAVERS THAT

ARE VERY UNEVEN. >> OKAY, THIS BRINGS US INTO OUR SUN TRAIL PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THROUGH A GRANT SUBMITTED BY ST.

LUCIE COUNTY THROUGH DOT AND THE GREENWAY TRAILS.

THIS IS A JOINT PROJECT THAT WE WORKED ON FOR A LONG TIME.

PORTIONED THROUGH THE INDIAN HILLS RECREATION AREA.

PEOPLE LOVE IT. THIS NEXT SECTION WILL GO FROM THERE THROUGH THE GOLF COURSE UP THE GEORGIA AVENUE.

NOW I JUST RECEIVED THE 100% PLANS AND THE COST ESTIMATE.

WE ARE A LITTLE UPSIDE DOWN ON THE COST ESTIMATE.

DOT HAD ORIGINALLY EAR MARKED WHAT WAS IT, 762,000 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT. MY ESTIMATE CAME IN AT $1.7 MILLION. SO WE ARE, LIKE, $960,000.

I NEED TO GO BACK TO THE -- TO DOT AND SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME MONEY. JUST -- JUST THE COST OF CON CONCRETE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: INCREASE IN COST.

>> THAT WILL BE THE DISCUSSION. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FTC RAILROAD TO GET A CORNER CLIP OF PROPERTY THAT I NEED FROM THEM THAT THEY DON'T EVEN USE AND DON'T NEED IT IS THEIRS, BUT I

WILL NEED THAT CORNER TO -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM SURPRISED YOU ARE ONLY HAVING LITTLE PROBLEM.

>> WE WILL CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM.

MY -- I GUESS MY IDEA IS PROBABLY TO APPROACH THEM TO INCREASE OUR LEASE FOR THE GOLF COURSE.

THIS IS RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE GOLF COURSE.

SO INCLUDE THAT INTO A HES, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THE LEASE AREA.

THE MAINS COURT EXTENSION TO BENEFIT THE OAKS AT MORRIS COURT 2. WE DID THE PLANS IN HOUSE.

IT IS CURRENTLY OUT TO BID. AND WE ANTICIPATE THIS TO START MOVING AHEAD. SO WE COMPLETED THE PLATTING.

IT HAD TO BE REPLATTED AND EVERYTHING.

AND SO ALL THAT WORK HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

PLANS ARE DONE. AND WAITING TO GET A CONTRACTOR IN THERE. OKAY, THIS IS THE -- THIS IS THE DOWNTOWN PORTION OF THE SUN TRAIL.

MR. MIMMS HAD ASKED ME TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO DATE ON THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE. BECAUSE THIS IS A CONTINUATION.

IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THIS FACILITY THROUGH DOWNTOWN AND GET IT ALL THE WAY TO MIDWAY ROAD.

THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO BRING UP IS SINCE WE HAVE OUR TRAIL THROUGH THE INDIAN TRAILS RECREATION AREA, THE STATE IS DOING THE PORTION THAT CONNECTS THE TWO TRAILS WITH THE SAVANNAHS RECREATION AREAS OF THE INDIAN HILLS OF THE OVERPASS OVER THE SPUR TRACK. THEY HAVE STARTED DOING THE SURVEY WORK FOR THAT. AND SO IT IS IN DESIGN.

AND THEY ARE, AGAIN, I HAVE SOME LITTLE MORE MAJOR PROBLEM WITH FAC, BUT THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT.

THEY DID GET THE SURVEY. THEY ARE WORKING ON THAT.

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WE STILL HAVE CONSTRUCTION MONEY FUNDED FOR IT.

AND LOOKING TO MOVE THAT PROJECT.

BUT THIS -- ON THE NORTHERN SECTION FROM GEORGIA AVENUE TO I GUESS NORTH A1A ARE ALWAYS THE LIMITS OF IT.

WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE UNKNOWN OF HOW WE ARE GETTING THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AREA. GETTING PAST THE KINGS LANDING AND ALL THAT WORK IN THERE. THE ORIGINAL ROUTE WAS TO COME DOWN SECOND STREET AND GO OVER TICKLE TUMMY BRIDGE AND CONNECT ON BACKUS AND INDIAN RIVER DRIVE THERE.

WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT MOVING THAT TO INDIAN RIVER DRIVE TO RUN THE TRAIL ACROSS THERE. THIS PLAYS IN -- THIS PROJECT PLAYS INTO A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOVING PARTS THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN -- END CAN RIVER DRIVE, THE DESIGN OF THAT.

THE REPLACEMENT AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MORRIS CREEK BRIDGE AT INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. IT ALL NEEDS TO BE IN CONSIDERATION OF HOW THIS TRAIL GETS THROUGH THERE.

I DO HAVE A CONSULTANT THAT -- HE DID BASICALLY THE SURVEY AND THE PRELIMINARY LAYOUT. AND WE ARE UP AT 30% PLANS.

AND I HELD HIM AT THAT TIME. HE IS CURRENLY ON HOLD UNTIL WE -- AND I KNOW YOU JUST HAD THE MASTER PLAN -- DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN SUBMITTED TO YOU. SO THE COMBINATION OF THAT, INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND THIS REALLY NEEDS TO MESH TOGETHER TO SEE HOW WE CAN GOING TO DO THIS. SO CURRENTLY THEY ARE ON HOLD AND WE NEED TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION BEFORE

WE CONTINUE ON THAT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: JESUS CHRIST AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS ON THIS. YOU ASKED -- 30%.

AND LOOKING AT DIFFERENT IDEAS AND SINCE WE RECENTLY GOT THE MASTER PLAN, IT JUST STARTED PUTTING SOME PUZZLE PIECES TOGETHER FOR ME. THE INDIAN RIVER DRIVE IS.

I GUESS IT IS A LITTLE MORE TASTY THAN SECOND STREET.

JUST THE LOGISTICS OF 2K3W59ERING AND GETTING ST.

LUCIE FROM ST. LOUCIE COUNTY AN INCORPORATING THE GREEN -- THE SUN SUNSHINE TRAIL. I STARTED THINKING OF PARKING AND GOES COMPLETELY TO PARKING AND THE PARKING COMMITTEE AND THINKING ABOUT FROM THE ROUNDABOUT TO CITRUS.

I AM NOT SURE HOW YOU NAVIGATE UNDER THE CITRUS AVENUE BRIDGE AND WE WILL GET THERE. START TO THINK OF THE PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE SOUTH OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

NOT TOO MANY PARKING SPACES IF YOU PICK ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD OR THE OTHER WHERE YOU WOULDN'T LOSE TOO MUCH OF YOUR PARKING STOCK BY EXPANDING THE SUN. TRAIL THROUGH THAT EXCEPTION OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. YOU HAVE A FEW SPACES MAYBE EIGHT OR TEN FROM ORANGE AVENUE TO AVENUE A.

A FEW IN FRONT OF THE CLERK OF COURT BUILDING AND THE COURTHOUSE COMPLEX WHICH IS A ONE-WAY STREET ON THE ELEVATED SECTION BY THE BOSTON HOUSE. SO THE MORE I LOOKED AT IT, THE MORE I WAS, YOU KNOW, WILLING TO, IN MY MIND, START TALKING ABOUT -- WITH OUR PARKING FOLKS, THE REAL CONVERSATION OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING AWAY SOME OF THA STOCK TO ENHANCE THIS OPPORTUNITY. WHATEVER THAT DESIGN LOOKS LIKE HAVE JACK, GOING THROUGH A LOT OF LOGISTIC ITEMS TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. SO WHAT IS THE IMPACT AND THE POSITIVE IMPACT TO VETERANS MEMORIAL PARK.

IN THAT DIRECTION OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND WHAT WE LOOKED AT LAST WEEK WITH THOSE LITTLE THREE-DIMENSIONAL BUILDINGS AND OPPORTUNITIES OF THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW DO WE WORK WITH OUR -- OUR PRIVATE LANDOWNERS IN ENHANCING THIS SECTION.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE BETTER OPPORTUNITY AS MUCH AS WE TALKED ABOUT SECOND STREET, GETTING THE MASTER PLAN HELPED ME REALIZE THAT MAYBE THIS IS THE BETTER OPTION AT THIS POINT.

JACK -- WE HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION SINCE WE GOT THE

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BUT ALSO LOOKING AT THAT PART OF MARINA SQUARE OF LOOKING AT THAT ELEMENT AND THAT CONSENSUAL AND INCORPORATING THE SUN TRAIL WITH THAT IS A WOW FACTOR. CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE.

>> MOVING ON. THE PARKING FACILITY.

I KNOW WE HAD BROUGHT THIS TO THE FPRA BOARD.

OR MAY HAVE BEEN THE COMMISSION, I FORGET WHICH ONE IT WAS NOW, BUT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE DESIGN -- THE SURVEY FOR THAT.

WE ARE DOING THAT DESIGN IN HOUSE TOO, SO CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT. ANTICIPATE MOVING IT FORWARD TO CONSTRUCTION FOR NEXT YEAR. FEN PARK.

WE HAVE A SURVEY COMPLETED. AND THERE, AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING DESIGNING THAT FOR PARKING LOT.

AND THE TRAILS AND -- LOOKING AT DIFFERENT MATERIALS OF -- TO DO THE TRAILS THROUGH THE PARK, LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN THAT. SO WE WILL BE PRESENTING THAT BACK BEFORE YOU FIRST OF THE YE

YEAR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. ANDREWS, IS THE PARKING LOT ON AVENUE D ON THE SOUTH SIDE ACROSS FROM THE POLICE STATION. AND WE ARE PAVING THAT?

>> YES -- WELL, WE ARE DOING -- WE ARE ANTICIPATING -- WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IT IN PERVIOUS PAVERS SO WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF ALL THE PARKING AREA AND PROVIDE THE DRAINAGE FROM UNDERNEATH. THE SEAPLANE BASE, I AM LOOKING TO GET THIS MOVING ALONG. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO ONE CONSULTANT. IT WAS KIND OF AN EXCESSIVE PRICE, I THOUGHT. CAME IN.

I REACHED OUT TO OUR MARINA CONSULTANT WHICH IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA AND THE SEAGRASS STUDIES AND EVERYTHING AND THEY CAME BACK WITH A ACCEPTABLE PROPOSAL.

I AM JUST DOING THE FINAL PAPERWORK FOR THAT AND THAT WILL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU TO GET THAT UNDER WAY.

WORKING WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY ON THE RELOCATION OF THE SHUFFLEBOARD COURT. I HAD BROUGHT THAT BACK TO YOU AT ONE TIME TO DO THE AREA, I GUESS, CLOSER TO THE LAKE AT INDIAN HILLS. WE ARE LOOKING AT MOVING THAT MORE UPLAND AND TAKING THE AREA WHERE WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE AREAS WHERE THE DUTCH ADMINISTERS ARE AND RELOCATING THAT FURTHER SOUTH ON LAND THAT IS CONTROLLED BY ST. LUCIE COUNTY. WE WILL PROBABLY END UP DOING A PROPERTY SWAP THERE TO HAVE MORE ROOM FOR THE SHUFFLEBOARD COURTS AND TO KIND OF -- MR. REALS AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A GOOD WHILE TO KIND OF GET THE SOLID WASTE DIVISION MO MORE COMPACTED AND TOGETHER. BECAUSE ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD IF THEY HAD EVERYTHING IN ONE AREA.

IT MAKES MORE SENSE. SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT AND JAYCEE PARK FLOATING DOCKS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THEY WERE FLOATING.

>> PICTURES OF THAT ON THURSDAY MORNING.

AND, YEAH, THIS IS -- WE ARE LOOKING AT -- MR. MIMMS HAD DIRECTED US BEFORE THIS TO LOOK AT THE REDESIGN OF THIS.

AND TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR THAN WE DID ON MORRIS CREEK BOAT RAMPS TO PROVIDE A FLOATING DOCK SCENARIO THERE.

SO WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT IS STARTING ON THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING DESIGN AND DESIRED THIS TO BE A DESIGN-BUILD

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DID THE BOAT RAMPS AT MORRIS CREEK AND THE DINGY DOCKS AT THE MARINA. THEY WORK WITH US AS WELL AND DESIGN-BUILD WITH MORE OF A ECONOMICAL PRICE TO DO IT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, JUST ONE COMMENT ABOUT THAT. I MENTIONED TO MR. REALS, WHEN WE DO THE BUILD THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, JACK -- WHATEVER YOUR THOUGHTS ARE, WHAT IS THE BEST PRACTICE CONCRETE PAVING IN LIEU OF AS FAURLT PAVING TO WHATEVER EASTERN POINT THAT IS NECESSARY. AS THE WATER FLOODS AND SITS ON THAT ASPHALT, THE DEGRADATION OF ASPHALT IS A LOT FARTHER THAN CONCRETE. WHENEVER WE CAN BRING ASPHALT TO DO THAT TO SAVE REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE AND POTHOLES AND MAYBE LAST A LOT LONGER THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW.

MAYBE SAVE OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT FROM DOING TOO MUCH

EXTRA WORK. >>MAYOR HUDSON:

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: WE KNOW THAT THE BOAT DOCK DID NOT FAREWELL DURING NICOLE AND I SEE THEY ARE BUCKLED AND ALL BLOCKED OFF.

DO -- SO THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF AN EMERGENCY TYPE THING NOW.

ARE WE MOVING IT FORWARD A LITTLE BIT FAST.

DO WE HAVE -- WE OBVIOUSLY WILL KEEP THOSE -- THAT FACILITY CLOSED UNTIL WE HAVE REPAIR IN PLACE AND I CAN'T IMAGINE TO FIX WHAT IS THERE. IT WAS BROKEN TO BEGIN WITH.

DO YOU HAVE A TIME ESTIMATE ON THAT?

>> COMMISSIONER, I DO ENVISION THAT WE KIND OF MOVE THIS UP.

IT IS CURRENTLY -- IT IS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN RIGHT NOW FOR THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING. SO I THINK YOU KNOW A PHONE CALL TO THEM TO STRESS THE NEED FOR THIS AND I AM SURE WE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND MOVE THIS UP AND GIVE THEM BACK TO THE

COMMISSION. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: HIGHLY USED BY THE PUBLIC. THAT IS THE BIG THING.

BARRICADES ARE RIGHT NOW AND SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING AROUND THE BARRICADES. THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE TOO.

SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TO DO ACCELERATE THAT IS GOING TO BE IMPOR IMPORTANT.

>> LITTLE JIM. THE CONVERSION OF THE SEPTIC TO SEW SEWER.

THE PLANS HAVE BEEN ALL COMPLETED.

WE ARE IN FOR.PERMITTING WITH DEP AND THE ARMY CORPS.

WE HAD TO DO SEAGRASS SURVEYS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO DO A DIRECTIONAL BORE UNDER THE WATER AND KIND OF A SLOW PROJECT THAT WE ARE WAITING FOR PERMITTING NO NOW. THE INDIAN HILLS AND PICKLE BALL COURT ALWAYS GROSS AND ALWAYS A MOVING TARGET AND WE HAVE THESE SURVEYS COMPLETED AND WE HAVE PRELIMINARY SITE PLANS THAT DIFFERENT ENTITIES HAVE DID OVER THE PAST YEARS TO BRING THESE IN HOUSE TO FINALIZE A SITE PLAN AND GET PLANS THAT WE CAN GET THIS UNDER WAY. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY WORK ON THAT. WE ARE DOING A LOT OF IN-HOUSE DESIGN AND STUFF RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE THE CONSULTANTS ARE SO BUSY ALSO. STORM.

16TH STREET. WE HAVE A STORM DRAIN THAT IS STILL WORKING, BUT THERE ARE GAPS IN THE JOINTS AND WE ARE LOOKING -- WE ARE EVALUATING WHETHER TO REPLACE IT OR TO LINE IT. RIGHT NOW THE PRICES ARE CLOSE.

I KNOW THAT WE STILL NEED TO DO THE KNOWING AND RESURFACING EVEN IF WE WOULD LINE IT. THAT IS THE EVALUATION THAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE THE WHOLE LINES TELEVISED AND A GOOD REPORT ON THEM.

WE WILL BE COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION WITH THAT SHORTLY.

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WE HAVE OLDER CONCRETE PIPES THAT THE JOINTS HAVE SEPARATED.

AND THAT IS WHEN YOU GET THE SINKHOLE AND THE PAVEMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SURFSIDE DRAINAGE AND RESURFACING. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT DOES MOST OF THE STREETS RIGHT SOUTH OF JAYCEE PARK IN THAT AREA.

37 AND WE ARE -- WE ARE PROBABLY CLOSER TO 90% PLANS RIGHT NOW.

AND FOCUSED ON THAT AND SOMETHING WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT AS SOON AS WE GET IT BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE ROADS HAVE BEEN UNDER WATER, HAVE BEEN UNDER WATER, AND I AM HAPPY TO SAY ON THURSDAY MORNING. A LOT OF THESE STREETS THAT WERE UNDER WATER. I WENT TO RIO VISTA AND BAY SHORE WHERE WE DID THIS PROJECT THIS YEAR, AND THEY WERE DRY

REALLY LOOKED GOOD -- >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: WE WITNESSED WATER COMING FROM OUT OF THE STREET FROM UNDERNEATH AND THAT IS CAUSED FROM THE PRESSURE OF THE TIDES AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT, I WOULD IMAGINE. THAT SOMETHING WE CAN CONTROL OR ADAPT THE ROAD TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE I AM SURE THAT HAS A BIG EFFECT ON THE LONGEVITY OF THAT

SURFACE. >> SURFSIDE DRIVE IS PRETTY BAD SHAPE. WHAT WE WILL DO, COMMISSIONER, IS WE WILL NEED TO IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE ESPECIALLY IN THAT AREA AND TRY TO GET IT TO DRAIN OUT, BUT LIKE SAY, THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH YOU CAN DO BECAUSE NOWHERE TO TAKE IT TOO.

WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER IS DOING WHAT WE CALL BLACK BASE WHERE WE HAVE ASPHALT THAT IS DEEPER SOME KIND OF BASE WHERE IT IS SHOT. THE ROAD BASE IS SHOT AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT -- DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE SURFSIDE DRIVE IS IN PHASE 4 OF THE SURFSIDE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND YES NEED TO MOVE THAT UP AND GET THAT INTO DESIGN QUICKER INUNDATED WITH WATER AND IN VERY POOR SHAPE NOW.

LITTLE REVIEW OF THE SURTAX -- I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE COMMISSION UP TO DATE ON THAT FISCAL YEAR UNENCUMBERED BALANCE OF $#.5 MILLION. THE FUNDS RECEIVED DURING THE LAST FISCAL YEAR WERE 2.3 MILLION.

ENCUMBERED IN $1.7 MILLION AND UNENCUMBERED BALANCE OF 3.5 MILLION. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE UPCOMING PROJECTS AS FAR AS THE RESURFACING CLOSE TO $1 MILLION THERE. OHIO AVENUE WHICH WILL GO INTO CONSTRUCTION. AVENUE D, AND THEN INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT YET, BUT THAT IS SOME DESIGN, MATCH MONEY FOR THE GRANT THAT

WE RECEIVED FROM THE STATE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT.

>> AND WENDELL ROAD IS ANOTHER ROAD OVER THERE THAT WE NEED TO -- IT HAS A LOT OF UTILITY PROBLEMS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A JOINT PROJECT WITH THEM TO GET THIS.

SO OUR SURTAX IS DOING WELL. WE ARE EXPENDING THE MONEY AS IT COMES IN. LIKE I SAID, THE UPCOMING PROJECTS, WE ARE LOOKING AT GIVING A CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO DO THE DESIGN OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE.

THE -- THE GRANT THAT WAS RECEIVED -- THAT MONEY IS AVAILABLE QUICKLY. IT'S -- A LOT OF IT IS FOR

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>MAYOR: I HAD TALKED WITH MR. MIMMS. AND I THINK HE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE LITTLE PROJECT IN THE VILLAGES OF LONGWOOD.

THE LITTLE -- WHERE THE STUDENTS WAIT.

THERE IS NO SIDEWALK THERE. DO YOU HAVE THAT ON YOUR RADAR

ANYWHERE? >> YES, I AM GOING TO PUT THAT ON THE C.I.P. FOR THIS YEAR. WE WILL DO AN UPDATE TO THAT.

BUT WE HAVE LOOKED AT -- WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE MISSING SIDEWALK AND WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST FOR THAT SO THAT

WILL BE BROUGHT IN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT WILL BE GREAT. THAT WILL BE GREAT.

SIDEWALKS IN SOME PLACES. AND SEVERAL DEVELOPMENTS IN THERE. QUITE EXTENSIVE WHEN I RODE AROUND WITH THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT AND LOOKED AT -- SIDEWALKS SOME PLACES AND NEW CONSTRUCTION GOING IN FOR HOUSING AND I AM ASSUMING THEY WILL PUT SIDEWALKS IN AS A

ENVIRONMENT. >> ALSO IN THAT AREA THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER PUT IN SOME OF THE SIDEWALKS IN THERE.

JUST ASPHALT. -- THE ASPHALT IS DETERIORATING AND WE NEED TO REPLACE THOSE AND GET THE CONCRETE WALKS IN.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. ANDREWS? GOOD JOB. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO SAY THAT FORT PIERCE HAS HAD ALWAYS DONE A GREAT JOB OF PROTECTING THE LAGOON AND CLEANING THE WATER. I WILL SAY WE DID IT LONG BEFORE IT WAS SEXY BEFORE EVERYBODY ELSE.

WE WERE PROTECTING THE LAGOON FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.

I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS THANKS TO YOU.

[d. Lease Agreement Extension Request from Little Jim Bait & Tackle]

SO THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

>> NEXT ITEM IS LEASE AGREEMENT REQUEST FROM LITTLITTLE JIM BAID

TACKLE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

IS THIS YOU, MR. MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: IN COMBINATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.

MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSION, WE HAVE AN ISSUE WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS. THAT IS A REQUEST FOR A LEASE EXTENSION AT THE LITTLE JIM BAIT AND TACKLE LOCATION.

WE DO HAVE WITH US TODAY, WE HAVE MISS DONNA CUE AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM LITTLE JIM AND OUR MARINE MANAGER WHO IS OUR REST -- RESTAURANT LIAISON. WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE TALK GET FEEDBACK ON. WE GOT INFORMATION FROM THE LITTLE JIM FACILITY AND THEY ARE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB TO THAT FACILITY. THE REQUEST WITH THE EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THAT THEY SAID THEY HAVE INVESTED HALF A MILLION DOLLARS OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE FACILITY BUT THE REQUEST IS TO EXTEND THE EXISTING LEASE FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS. PUN OF THE ISSUES AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IS THE TIME INVOLVED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE NORTH BRIDGE OF THE ISSUES AND REASONS WHY IS THE TIME INVOLVED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE NORTH BRIDGE OF THE ISSUES AND REASONS WHY IS THE TIME INVOLVED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE NORTH BRIDGEO OF THE ISSUES AND REASONS WHY IS THE TIME INVOLVED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE NORTHN OF THE ISSUES AND ONE OF REASONS WHY IS THE TIME INVOLVED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE NORTH BRIDGEE OF THE ISSUES ANDE REASONS WHY IS THE TIME INVOLVED IN THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE NORTH BRIDGE WHICH IS SET TO BEGIN THIS YEAR. NOT NEXT YEAR BUT THIS YEAR.

THEY WANTED THAT CONSIDERED. I WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK HOW YOU FELT ABOUT THIS, WHICH DIRECTION TO GO.

AND WE ALSO RECEIVED RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND THEY WERE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET FOR BACK-UP.

WE ARE ALL HERE AND WE HAVE THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CAN

ASK YOUR QUESTIONS, IF NEEDED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I HAVE HEARD NOTHING BUT GOOD ABOUT THE WAY LITTLE JIM IS PROVIDING A REALLY WONDERFUL ENTERTAINMENT VENUE AND KEEPING THE KIND OF OLD FLORIDA ASPECT. AND LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY, VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT. AND SO I HAVE NOTHING BUT POSITIVES OF WHAT I HEARD. BUT I -- I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MAYBE MISS EARLEY CAN EXPLAIN THE MEMO.

THERE ARE SOME OPTIONS LAID OUT IN OUR MEMO.

WHAT CAN WE DO LEGALLY? WHAT CAN WE DO LEGALLY?

>> SO THE OPTIONS AS SET FORTH IN THE MEMO, MAYOR ARE BASICALLY -- WELL, LET ME ROLL IT BACK FOR EVERYONE WHO MAYBE HAVEN'T READ

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THAT IS NUMBER 1, THE FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION, AND ALSO HOW THE -- HOW THE RESPONDER TO THE BID -- HOW THEY -- THE EXTENT OF WHICH THEY MEET THE CRITERIA WE PUT OUT IN OUR RFP.

MY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING THIS PARTICULAR LEASE AGREEMENT DOESN'T CALL FOR ANY ADDITIONAL EXTENSIONS.

AND SO OUR OPTIONS REALLY ARE TO EITHER GO OUT AND ADVERTISE AGAIN AND RESTART THAT COMPETITIVE PROCESS.

OR WE GO AHEAD AND WE EXECUTE A NEW LEASE AGREEMENT FOR A PERIOD THAT IS LESS THAN A YEAR AND MY UNDERSTANDING SOME TIME LEFT ON THE CURRENT LEASE AGREEMENT WHICH IS VERY PROACTIVE WHICH IS A GOOD THING AND NOT WAITING UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE BEFORE THE LEASE IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE. THIS IS REALLY THE MOST TWO --

MOST TWO VIABLE OPTIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE SAYING IF WE WENT UP FOR BID IN A YEAR, LESS THAN A YEAR, WILL THAT YEAR BE TACKED ON AT THE END OF THEIR LEASE.

IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? THE CURRENT LEASE?

>> IT IS EITHER TWO OPTIONS. THE LEASE EXPIRES WHEN IT EXPIRES AND WE GO OUT FOR BID AND THEY -- IF THEY WISH TO REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY, GO INTO THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS.

AND THEY HAVE TO COMPETE WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A NEW LEASE LONGER THAN A YEAR.

OTHERWISE WHAT WE CAN DO IS GO AHEAD AND LET THIS LEASE TERMINATE AND WHEN THAT LEASE TERMINATES, WE WILL ENTER A NEW SEPARATE BRAND-NEW LEASE AGREEMENT FOR LESS THAN A YEAR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NO OPTION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM AN EXTENSION BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF NORTH BRIDGE?

>> I THINK THE PROBLEM WITH GIVING THEM AN EXTENSION IS THE WAY THE LEASE AGREEMENT THAT WE ARE UNDER RIGHT NOW WAS DRAFTED.

IT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR ANY -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: EXTENSIONS.

>> FURTHER EXTENSIONS. OTHERWISE THEORETICALLY, WE CAN ALWAYS EVADE THE CODE BY SIMPLY -- WITHOUT ANYONE EVER HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE PROCESS BY SIMPLY EXTENDING A

LEASE AGREEMENT INDEFINITELY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE DON'T WANT TO EVADE THE CODE?

>> NO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I DON'T EITHER.

>> WE WANT TO FOLLOW THE LAW. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONERS, ANY -- YES, SIR? NO?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I'LL START.

SO I READ THROUGH THE LEASE -- AND THIS -- WE ARE IN THE SECOND HALF OF -- I AM SORRY -- LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN.

WE ARE IN THE TEN-YEAR EXTENSION PERIOD OF THE LEASE.

THE ORIGINAL LEASE WAS '05 TO '15.

AN OPTION FOR A TEN-YEAR EXTENSION AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THROUGH 2025.

>> I BELIEVE SO. MR. MIMMS IS SHAKING HIS HEAD.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I DON'T REMEMBER CHANGE ANYTHING AND I REMEMBER THAT BEING THE DATE.

THEORETICALLY GET THROUGH 2026 IF WE WERE TO GO THROUGH THE LEASE TERM AND EXTEND FOR 364 DAYS OR WHATEVER YOUR --

WHATEVER THE LEGAL DAYS ARE. >> I WOULDN'T CALL IT AN

EXTENSION, A NEW LEASE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: A NEW

LEASE. >> THEORETICALLY, WILL BRING US

TO '26. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WE CAN DO THAT AND THE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE SAME TIME FRAME AND UPDATE IN 2026. A NEW RFP THROUGH 2025.

GET IT THROUGH THE LEGAL PROCESSES AND GET IT READY FOR THE NEW TENANT. THE WINNER OF THE -- WELL, NEW TENANT, WELL, THE SAME OPERATION.

>> NOTHING THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE VERY LAST DAY.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT WILL BE MY NEXT QUESTION.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AT ANY POINT.

WE CAN ALSO AT THAT TIME START AGAIN.

DO IT FOR THE END OF OUR AGREEMENT PERIOD.

ANYTHING IN THE CLAUSE THAT ALLOWS US TO LOOK AT THE OPTION OF SELLING THE PARCEL. ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS IT?

>> I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THAT PROHIBITS US FROM SELLING THE PARCEL AS LONG AS THE LEASE AGREEMENT IS UP.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WHAT ABOUT NOW? WHAT IF WE DIDN'T WANT IT ANYMORE?

>>. >> YOU WOULD HAVE -- WE WOULD BASICALLY BE BREAKING OUR WRITTEN AGREEMENT WITH THEM BECAUSE UNLESS WE ARE GOING TO SELL IT TO THEM AND A

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ONE ON ONE SALE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT'S FINE. WE WOULD LIST IT AS SURPLUS AND DO ALL THE NORMAL THINGS WE DO. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PREMISES IN THE LEASE AGREEMENT. THERE HAS BEEN A VAST AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENTS THERE BUT THIS BUILDING, IS IT ON THE HISTORIC

REGISTER. >> I DON'T KNOW THAT BUT THE.

THE U.S. NAVY AND ANYTHING OLDER THAN 50 YEARS KIND OF GOES RIGHT IN THERE. I GUESS YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH PAPERWORK. AND I AM JUST WONDERING -- CAN I JUST INTERRUPT YOU FOR ONE SECOND TO ASK A QUESTION.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HISTORIANS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I KNOW. HOW DID WE GET THIS LAND?

WASN'T IT A SWAP WITH THE STATE? >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: IT WAS GOING TO BE MY LAST QUESTION.

MIMMS MIMMS MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE NO IDEA.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: A SWAP WITH THE STATE AND INLAND AND WATER RIGHTS. AND THE STATE.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: LONG TIME AGO.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: READ A BLUSH SOMEWHERE --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GO AHEAD WITH YOUR QUESTION.

I JUST WANTED TO -- >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS -- WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN MY TENURE THE LAST SIX YEARS TALKING ABOUT THIS PARCEL.

THE OTHER CHALLENGING THING ABOUT THIS IS IT IS A VERY NARROW PIECE OF PROPERTY. I AM DIGRESSING FROM THE LEASE FOR A HALF A SECOND BUT LIKE TO INCORPORATE THE LIKE YOU JUST ASKED TO FULLY DIGEST THE INFORMATION.

THE DOT RITE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE OLD BRIDGE WAS VERY CLOSE TO THIS PARCEL. THE NEW BRIDGE IS IN A NEW LOCATION. THE NUTTDOT OWN AS RIGHT-OF-WAY.

WHERE THE BATHROOM IS UP ON THE HILL.

PART OF THE STATE RIGHT-OF-WAY, I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MAPS EXACTLY. I AM PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT, RIGHT. THE COUNTY WAS OPERATING THOSE RESTAURANTS. THE COUNTY BEGGED US TO TAKE THEM OVER. THEY TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT AND SAID GOOD LUCK TO THAT. YOU BETTER TALK WITH FOUR OTHER PEOPLE TO TAKE OVER FOR THOSE BATHROOMS. THE LITTLE JIM HAVE TAKEN OVER THE OPERATIONS -- THE MAINTENANCE OF THE BATHROOM BECAUSE OF THE GOODNESS OF BEING THERE. THANK YOU FOR THAT PART.

THAT WAS MY CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

PART OF THE EXPANSION OF WHAT THEY ARE IMPROVING IN THIS PARCEL. SO NOW WE COME TO RECENT STORM EVENT. AND WE SAW SOME PICTURES OR BEEN PICTURES CIRCULATED I SHOULD SAY OF THE HIGH TIDE, AND TALK OF THE SEPTIC TO SEWER TRANSITION BY HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THERE.

SO OUR TENANT IS DEALING WITH THAT IN PARTNERSHIP WITH US STILL DOESN'T HELP THE LEASE AND THE TIME FRAME.

HOW WE BREAK THIS APART. MY LONG STORY GETTING LONGER AND I WILL SHUT UP IN A SECOND, BUT JUST NOT A WAY TO BREAK IT DOWN ANYMORE ACCEPT WHAT YOU ALREADY ADVISED US OF.

I THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

I THINK THAT IS A GREAT OPTION. AT LEAST IT GIVES US A LITTLE MORE TIME. D.O.T. SET TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION ON THE BRIDGE IN 2023.

IT WAS SLATED FOR '21 OR '22. AND WILL GO INTO A23.

DO YOU REMEMBER HOW LONG, 30-MONTH PROJECT, FIVE-YEAR

PROJECT? >>MAYOR: HE CAN PROBABLY TELL US

WHENEVER HE GETS UP HERE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HOW

MANY? >> I THINK IT IS TWO YEARS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YEAH. TWO-PLUS FOR SURE.

>> PETER SAYS THREE YEARS. >> THREE OR FOUR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: LONG. SO ALL THOSE -- ALL THOSE THINGS TO CONSIDER, I APPRECIATE THE REQUEST AND WE HAD GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT THE REQUEST. I JUST DON'T KNOW THERE WAS A LEGAL MEANS TO CHANGE IT. BUT HERE WE HAVE A OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOMETHING IN A FEW YEARS AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT AND I BROUGHT IT UP ON A FEW OCCASIONS WHILE WE LIKE TO PRESERVE AND IN OUR ORDINANCES TALK OF PRESERVING WATER FRONT BUT USED FOR A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.

NOT FULLY PUBLIC ACCESS. IT IS BUT IT IS NOT.

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ANYWAY, I AM ALL RIGHT WITH TALKING ABOUT SELLING THE PROPERTY AT THE SAME TIME, IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO CON CONSIDER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: THANK YOU, MADAM MARE. THIS SUBJECT CAME UP WHEN THE KINGS OWNED IT. AND SIMILAR SITUATION GOING ON WHEN WE WERE ABLE TO PUT SOME TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT.

CURRENTLY WHAT EXISTS IS NOTHING CLOSE TO WHAT IT WAS BEFORE AND I THINK WHAT WAS CONSIDERED WAS HAVING THE TENANT AT THE TIME PUT IN A LOT OF CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

WITH THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WOULD HAVE TO BE REALIZED OVER A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME THE LEASE AND MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR THE RIGHT THINGS TO BE DONE TO THE PROPERTY INCLUDING SOME THAT WOULD HELP PREVENT AGAINST STORM SURGE AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. YOU CAN'T EXPECT THAT TO HAPPEN.

NO WAY IN THE WORLD YOU CAN REALIZE AND CAPITALIZE ALL THOSE IMPROVEMENTS OVER A FIVE OR TEN-YEAR PERIOD SOMETIMES.

SO I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF CONSIDERING A PURCHASE SALE COUNTY PROPERTY. YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WELL, WHAT'S -- WHAT IS THE PROPERTY CONNECTED TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT IS GOING TO WANT AND HAVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THERE REALLY ISN'T ANYTHING. IT IS OUT THERE.

IT IS ISOLATED. THE ONLY WAY THAT PROPERTY CAN REALLY ADVANCE FORWARD IS IF SOMEBODY OWNED IT AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT CAPITAL DOLLARS IN IT AND PROTECT IT AND CAN INCIDENT IT GOING AS IT IS WITHOUT THE FEAR OF HAVING TO MOVE OUT ONE DAY AS A LEASEHOLD. THE BRIDGE -- THE NEW BRIDGE IS GOING TO CREATE A WHOLE NEW BUSINESS PLAN.

IT MAY EFFECT OR MAY NOT EFFECT. I WOULD ASSUME IT WILL CHANGE A LOT OF THE FUNCTION YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPENING BY AND SEE THE RESTAURANTS -- OR THE FACILITIES AND SAY, HEY, I WILL STOP IN. YOU WILL HAVE TO PLAN TO GO THERE IN MOST CASES AND I THINK THAT WILL CHANGE SOMEWHAT.

I WOULD SAY -- OF COURSE -- KEEP REMINDING ME, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME WITH THIS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ONE-YEAR EXTENSION -- NOT EXTENSION BUT ONE YEAR LEASE AND THAT THE COMMISSION USE THIS TIME. AND YOU CAN TIE INTO MOST OF THAT AND NOT ONLY TO ACCOMMODATE THE TENANT BUT ACCOMMODATE LOOKING AT THIS THING AS A LEASE.

PUT IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS AND TO ALLOW THE OWNER DO THINGS THAT YOU CAN'T GET DONE AS A LEASEHOLD KNOWING THAT THE PROPERTY WILL EVENTUALLY GO BACK TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: CAN I MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT, I WILL STOP AFTER THIS, I PROMISE, AT LEAST UNTIL EVERYBODY ELSE GETS A CHANCE.

I FOUND OUT NOT TOO LONG AGO, THEY WENT TO PULL A PERMIT FOR ELECTRICAL IMPROVEMENTS. SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE TENANT ABOUT THIS. SO BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD PLANE. YOU LOOK AT THE CODE, TRIGGERED A FLOOD PLAN REVIEW. AND BECAUSE OF THE EVALUATION OF THE IMPROVEMENT, THROUGH A PERMIT THE CODE SAYS IF IMPROVEMENT IS SAID DOLLARS, TRIGGERS OVER 50% OF VALUE TRIGGERS ANOTHER REVIEW AND NUMBER CONTEMPLATION BY THE LANDOWNER TO MAKE FLOOD PLAIN IMPROVEMENTS OR FLOOD IMPROVEMENTS OR FLOOD PARAMETERS.

AND GUESS WHO THAT IS. PROTECT THE BUILDING FROM FLOODING AND GO BACK TO THE PICTURE IT IS YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO GO SEE PICTURES, YOU WILL SEE WHY.

I WANT TO SHARE THAT TOO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SURE, THAT IS IMPORTANT. COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU WANT TO

TALK? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE TENANTS BECAUSE I THINK HURRICANE NICOLE CHANGED THE DATE -- WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET LAST WEDNESDAY, AND THIS WHOLE AREA IS -- IS A SPECIAL AREA TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO GREW UP IN FORT PIERCE.

MIGHT NOT BE ON A HISTORICAL THING BUT A LOT OF TIME PEOPLE FISHING ON THE PIER, PROBABLY CAUGHT A CATFISH WAY BACK THEN AND THE SAME FISH. I AM BEING HONEST.

THEY KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH.

BECAUSE -- WHATEVER WE CAN DO AND ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A

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363 DAYS, LET'S DO IT AND LET'S TAKE THAT TIME TO GIVE US SOME TIME TO REALLY SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT THIS AND COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION POSSIBLE MOVING FORWARD.

BECAUSE IT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME. SO I AM WILLING TO DO IT.

362. AND WE WORK WITH US.

AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE CITIZENS AND THE TENANT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE OPTION THAT WE SHOULD DO. SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT. THAT IS THE BEST WE CAN DO.

HAVING SAID THAT, I AM REALLY PLEASED WITH THE -- WITH THE CURRENT TENANTS THAT ARE THERE NOW AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THEY DID MAKE IMPROVEMENT. AND KEPT THE ESSENCE OF WHAT LITTLE JIM WAS WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO THEM AND AS TO OUR CITIZENS AND OUR VISITORS AND I KNOW ONE THING THEY HAVE DONE IS REALLY WORK CLOSELY WITH THE NAVY SEAL MUSEUM AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING BACK. BECAUSE PEOPLE WITH FOND MEMORIES WITH THAT. OF COURSE THEY ARE DYING OUT, AND IT IS STILL -- YOU ARE RIGHT.

IF IT IS NOT ON A HISTORIC REGISTER, IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE SO DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED TO HAVE WITH US MISS EARLEY AND MR.

MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, THIS 2022. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT IT IN 2025, THINGS MAY BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THE EXTENSION IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD BASED ON YOUR INPUT. WE WILL CONTINUE ON WITH THE EXISTING LEASE AND RE-EVALUATE THE SITUATION ON 2025.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: RE-EVALUATE A 360-DAY TENNESSEE OR WHATEVER

YOU CALL IT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR. MR. MIMMS, TO FULLY VET THE RFQ AND RFP PROCESS AS WE NORMALLY DO DEEM THE PROPERTY SURPLUS BEFORE THE LEASE IS UP. BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE -- YOU KNOW, FIVE COMMISSION -- WELL, FOUR COMMISSIONERS AND A MAYOR SITTING HERE THAT HAVE KIND OF SPOKEN THE SAME WORDS WITHOUT DISAGR DISAGREEING.

OBVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER PERONA WILL CHANGE.

COMMISSIONER-ELECT BRODERICK WILL BE HERE.

BUT I WANT TO SEE WHAT MISS FORT PIERCE EARLEY CAN BRING TO US.

IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMISSION IS WILLING TO DO THAT WY DON'T WE TALK ON IT AND ACT ON IT NOW IF WE ARE FOLLOWING DO

IT INSTEAD OF WAITING TO 2025. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WILLING TO DO

WHAT, SELL IT? >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: PUT IT OUT. WHATEVER THE PROCESS TO SAY WE

WANT TO SELL IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM FOLLOWING LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE IF MISS EARLEY NEEDS TO INVESTIGATE OR A CONDITION ON THAT SWAP, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

MR. MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DOING BEFORE. DOING AN RFP WHILE THE LEASE WAS ENGAGED. THE CITY COMMISSION INSTRUCTS STAFF TO DO A RFP AT ANY TIME. YOU WOULD DIRECT US HOW TO PROCEED. WHETHER A SALE, A LEASE, OTHER -- SOME OTHER TYPE OF DISPOSITION OR NOT TO TAKE ANY ACTION AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A RFP AT ANY TIME.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION AND COMMISSIONER PERONA.

WE TALKED ABOUT IN FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO AND ALL I WOULD NEED

IS THAT DIRECTION. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT

IS WHAT I AM IN FAVOR OF. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A TIME TABLE IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM.

I LIKE IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IS THAT ALL RIGHT. WILL YOU COME BACK FOR THAT

DISCUSSION? >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WILL

BE THERE. >> THREE MINUTES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THREE MINUTES. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US

[e. Repurpose one lane on the SR-A1A South Causeway Bridge to accommodate two-way bicycle traffic from South Hutchinson Island to Downtown Fort Pierce.]

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MR. MIMMS AND MISS EARLEY. >> NO, MA'AM.

>> LET'S MOVE ON. THE NEXT ITEM REPURPOSE ONE LANE OF THE SOUTH CAUSEWAY BRIDGE FOR THE TWO-WAY BICYCLE FROM SOUTH HUTCHISON ISLAND TO FORT PIERCE. MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: JACK IS NOT BACK, BUT WE HAVE SELENA AND AN ENGINEER FROM OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE HONORABLE PETER BUCKWALD FROM THE TPO THAT WILL LEND OF COURSE THAT COULD BE HELPFUL AS WE GET FEEDBACK OF THE POSSIBILITY OF THE RECONFIGURATION OF ONE LANE FOR THE PETER P. COBB BRIDGE BETTER

KNOWN AS SOUTH BRIDGE -- >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: LOOK

AT THE TIME -- NO, I HAVE -- >> NOT POPPING UP.

IS THERE A REASON. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SELENA, RIGHT.

REMIND ME OF YOUR LAST NAME. >> GRIFFITH.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GRIFFITH. >> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR HUDSON AND COMMISSIONERS, THE OCTOBER 25 MEETING OF THE TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATION BOARD, PPO STAFF THE SR-AIA BICYCLE LANE PILOT PROJECT FOR APPROVAL AND TO IDENTIFY FUNDING.

PRESIDENT BOARD DID NOT VOTE ON THE ITEM AT THEIR MEETING INSTEAD TABLED IT UNTIL THE CITY HAS A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND PROVIDE THEIR INPUT. THE PROJECT WOULD REQUIRE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO ACT AS THE RESPONSIBLE AGENCY FOR PERMITTING, INSTALLATION, MAINTENANCE AND RESTORATION.

THE CITY WOULD NEED TO WORK CLOSELY WITH FDOT AND THE TPO TO DEVELOP FORMER AGREEMENTS DELINEATING THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF EACH AGENCY. I WILL GIVE YOU A LITTLE VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY. MR. BUCKWALT CAN TELL YOU MORE.

THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE BICYCLE LANES OF THE BRIDGE WAS EVALUATED IN 2011 AND 2012. IN THE JULY 5, 2011 MEET, THE CITY COMMISSION AGREED TO COMPLETE THE SOUTH CAUSEWAY BRIDGE RECONFIGURATION STUDY. AND TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF LANES TO TWO AND ALLOW THE OUTSIDE LANE TO ACCOMMODATE BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS. SUBSEQUENT PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT RESULTED IN THE PROJECT BEING SHELVED.

IN 2019, REINITIATED WITH THE REQUEST OF THE TPO ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT WAS COMPLETED WITH MIXED RESULTS. YOU CAN SEE A PUBLIC WORKSHOP, AN ONLINE SURVEY AND LETTERS AND E-MAILS.

TPO STAFF PRESENTED THE PROJECTS AND THE RESULTS AGAIN TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMMISSION ON APRIL 15, 2019.

THE MEETING WAS HEAVILY ATTENDED BY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

COMMISSIONER COMMENTS AT THE TIME INDICATED MOSTLY DESIGN ISSUES THAT IN SOME CASES REMAIN TODAY.

THESE COMMENTS LED TO A REVISED ALTERNATIVE IMPLEMENTING A TEMPORARY TWO-WAY BICYCLE LANE ON THE BRIDGE.

ELIMINATING A LANE IN THE WESTBOUND DIRECTION.

THE TYPICAL SECTION THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT KIND OF SHOW IT IS ON THE EASTBOUND SIDE. AND REALLY IT IS INTERCHANGEABLE, BUT BASED ON SOME LIMIT STUDYIES IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT IT GO ON THE WESTBOUND SIDE.

JUST FLIPPED THIS. TEMPORARY RECONFIGURATION IN PLACE FOR SIX TO 12 MONTHS. ITS GOAL FOR BETTER ASSESSMENT OF PUBLIC OPINION AND IMPACTS PRIOR TO LANE APPLICATION.

HOWEVER, FDOT NOTIFIED THE FPO AND STAFF THAT THEY WILL NEED TO RESCHEDULE THE LANE REPURPOSING PROCESS WITH CONSIDERATION WITH THIS BEING A TEMPORARY INSTALLATION.

THE TPO HAS SUGGESTED AN EVALUATION PLAN AND ON OCTOBER 6, STAFF WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN A COORDINATION MEETING WITH FDOT AND THE TPO. FDOT COMPLETED THEIR ANALYSES AND LOOKED AT THE ACCUMULATIVE IMPACT OF THE WESTBOUND LANE AND THE INDIAN RIVER DRIVE INTERSECTION AND IDENTIFIED WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS POTENTIAL CHALLENGES FOR LANE REPURPOSE APPROVAL. HIGH CONGESTION LEVELS AT THE INDIAN RIVER DRIVE SIGNAL, LONG QUEUES AFTER MULTIPLE CYCLE FAILURE, EMERGENCY RESPONSE DELAY AND SPLIT PUBLIC RESPONSE.

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STAND NOT HAVE ADDITIONAL FAILURES.

DISCUSSION IN THE MEETING OF CLASS IF I OCCASION OF THE ARTERIALS, UNINTERRUPTED FLOW -- WE ARE GETTING REAL TECHNICAL -- AND IMPACT ON THE SERVICE VOLUME OF THE BRIDGE.

SERVICE VOLUME VALUE ALSO REFLECT THE CALCULATION OF THE SERVICES AND CAN ACCOUNT FOR THE DISCREPANCY WHAT D.O.T.

CALCULATED AND WHAT THE CONSULTANT CALCULATED.

CITY STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN BE DEVELOPED WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

SO THAT WE KNOW -- YOU KNOW, SHOULD THERE BE AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION, WE KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

THERE ARE CONCERNS OF SAFETY CONCERNING EMERGENCY RESPONSE.

ST. LUCIE COUNTY FIRE STATION 2 RESPOND A SIGNIFICANTLY NUMBER OF CALLS ON THE MAINLAND. BY REDUCING THAT WESTBOUND LANE, THEY HAVE ONE LANE TO GET ACROSS.

AND THEN THERE ARE SOME TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND LASTLY, CONCERNS HOW THE PROJECT WILL BE ASSESSED OVER THE TRIAL PERIOD.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, WHAT IS THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS OR FAILURE.

HOWEVER, IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THESE CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED WITH FURTHER ANALYSIS AND DECLINE.

WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SAY NO. ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS IS THE ESTIMATED COST AND THE FUNDING SOURCE.

THE TPO SUGGESTED USING CRRFA SPUNDZ.

CORONAVIRUS RELIEF SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS ACT.

THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY $350,000 OF THESE FUNDS REMAINING THAT MUST BE SPENT THIS FISCAL YEAR. THE TPO WILL APPROVE THIS FUNDING SOURCE. TPO STAFF SAY THAT THIS FUNDING MAY BE SUFFICIENT FOR IMPLEMENTATION BUT WE HAVE CONCERNS IF IT WILL COVER MAINTENANCE AND/OR RESTORATION.

THE MAINTENANCE RESTORATION COSTS ARE DIFFICULT TO ESTIMATE UNTIL THEY ARE FULLY IT HE SIGNED.

FUNDING HAS NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED.

IN EARLY 2022, THE SOUTH CAUSEWAY BRIDGE WAS IDENTIFIED AS ARE RESURFACING REHABILITATION PROCESS BY FDOT.

AND SUPPOSED TO OCCUR IN FY '27. THAT PROJECT WAS DEFERRED PENDING THE OUTCOME OF THIS LANE REPURPOSING STUDY.

CURRENTLY NO RRR PROJECTS SCHEDULED AT THIS TIME AND FDOT SAID THEY WILL REVIEW IT AGAIN IN THE FUTURE.

IT HAS BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY AND THE TPO CONSIDER REQUESTING THE BRIDGE REPLACEMENT BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF NEEDS AND PRIORITIES. THE BRIDGE WAS BUILT IN 1974.

WHILE STRUCTURALLY SOUND, IT IS FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE AND IS APPROACHING THE DESIGN SERVICE LIFE, WHICH WOULD BE 2024.

TYPICALLY 50 YEARS. BEFORE WE PROCEED FURTHER INTO DISCUSSIONS OF THE BIKE LANES, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON A COUPLE OF THINGS I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. I WORKED IN FDOT, REPRESENTATIVES OF FDOT. IF YOU ARE GOING EASTBOUND ON THE SOUTH BRIDGE. AND THE RIGHT LANE IS THE RIGHT TURN ONLY AND NEEDS TO BE A MERGE.

IN TALKING WITH FDOT STAFF, THEY PROVIDED US WITH PLANS.

WE SAID WE WILL AGREE WITH THEM AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM SHOWS THE LEFT-TURN AIR ROWS. THE RIGHT TURN ARROWS.

AND ADDITIONAL MERGE AND SIGNAGE.

I KNOW THEY SENT IN A WORK ORDER FOR THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT IS WORKABLE BUT IT IS COMING.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> OH, THAT'S GOOD. >> THE OTHER THING THAT FDOT HAVE RECENTLY COMPLETED, A STUDY DONE -- SAFETY STUDIES DONE LAST YEAR OR MAYBE A YEAR BEFORE ABOUT SOME IMPROVEMENTS OF THE SEAWAY DRIVE AND ROUNDABOUT. AND THEY WENT IN AND INSTALLED A BUNCH OF NEW SIGNS. PART OF THE PROJECT, BUT I SUSPECT WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS GETTING THIS OTHER PART DOWN AND DO ALL THE PAVEMENT MARKINGS AT ONCE AND GO AROUND THE

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WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS. I AM CERTAINLY WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE IMPROVEMENTS -- THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED TO BE THE CONCERNS ARE THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AT CHUCK'S -- GOING INTO CHUCK'S RESTAURANT.

>> THAT IS THE ROUNDABOUT. AND THE SEAWAY DRIVE WITH INCREASED SIGNAGE. AS FAR AS THAT KNOWS, SIGNAGE AND ENHANCED STRIPING WAS INTENDEDED TO REDUCE THE ISSUES THERE. I KNOW THEY REFUSED THE SPEED LIMIT TO 15 MILES PER HOUR. THEY PUT NEW SIGNS UP.

ONE SIGN AND I AM GOING TO SEND IT OVER TO -- TO THE DOT.

BASICALLY THE SIGN -- WHEN YOU ARE COMING OUT OF CHUCK'S, THEY PUT IN A NEW YIELD SIGN AND A RIGHT TURN ONLY EXCEPT IT IS COMPLETELY BLOCKED BY A TREE. COMPLETELY BLOCKED.

SOME I AM GOING TO BE SEND THAT OVER TO FDOT AND SAY MOVE TO THE MEDIAN, THE MIDDLE ISLAND OR ASK THEM TO GET RID OF THE TREE, I

DON'T KNOW. >>MAYOR HUDSON: HE WANTED MORE OF A MARE I DON'T REMEMBER THERE AND MR. ANDREWS TALKED TO FDOT AND THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THEY WERE INTERESTED IN AND APPRECIATE ALL THE THINGS THEY DID, BUT WHAT HAS HAPPENED THAT THE ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HAPPENED LATE AT NIGHT AND WHERE ALCOHOL WAS INVOLVED PERHAPS AND THAT KIND OF DRIVING DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE AND TRUCKS SO CLOSE TO THAT ROUNDABOUT. COMMISSIONER PERONA.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AM EXCITED WE ARE PUTTING THE SIGNAGE UP FOR THE RIGHT TURN ONLY.

AMAZING WE DON'T HAVE THE ACCIDENTS -- THIS WEEKEND AN EVENT AT COCOSGROVE COVE. PEOPLE WANT TO PASS ON THE OUTER LANE GET TO THE MERGE THING AND THEY HAVE TO STOP.

FINDING THEIR WAY BACK INTO THE LEFT LANE AND IT WAS JUST CRAZIER. WE HAVE ALL SEEN IT A LOT AND I KNOW A LITTLE OBSCURE SIGN THAT SAYS RIGHT-TURN ONLY THAT NOBODY PAYS ATTENTION TO. SO REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOME SIGNAGE ON THAT LANE PRIOR TO GETTING TO THAT POINT SO PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING -- THAT IS COMING UP RATHER THAN WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE ON THIS 70-FOOT BRIDGE TRYING TO MANIPULATE YOUR WAY TO THE LEFT-HAND SIDE.

I AM REALLY HAPPY WITH THAT. SO THAT PART OF IT I GET.

BUT I AM REALLY EXCITED -- ONE THING I WILL HAVE TO SAY IS WHEN THE D.O.T. WAS DOING WORK ON THE BRIDGE.

THEY ARE WORKING ON THE LIGHTS. DOING SOME PAINTING.

THEY CLOSED DOWN THE LANES EARLIER THIS YEAR AND WE ALL HAD TO OPERATE IN THE ONE LANE, YOU KNOW, PROFILE GOING UP AND OVER.

I NOTICED THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY CHANGE IN ANYTHING.

WE BASICALLY GOT IN OUR LINE. TRAFFIC FLOWED VERY WELL.

OVER AND BACK. I SAID TO MYSELF AT THAT TIME -- I REMEMBER MAKING A NOTE SAYING, WOW, WE CAN ACTUALLY SURVIVE THIS AND STILL OFFER BIKE LANES AND PEDESTRIAN LANES FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. I DON'T THINK THE OVERALL IMPACT -- I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PERCEIVED IMPACT BUT THE IMPACT OF THE REGULAR MOTION OF USING THAT BRIDGE EITHER BY A VEHICLE, BIKE, OR PEDESTRIAN. I THINK WILL BE ENHANCED BY THAT AND I THINK WILL BE EXCITED TO HAVE SOME FORM OF A TRIAL PERIOD TO IMPRO THAT AGAIN. WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE THAT IS DOING WORK ON THE BRIDGE. THE NORTHERN LANE FIRST AND THE SOUTHERN LANE SECOND. AND WE HAVE A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE BOTH OF THOSE. I GET IT.

I THINK IF WE DID THIS ON SCALES AND WE CUT OFF SOME OF THE PERCEPTIONS. I REMEMBER GOING TO THE RIVERWALK CENTER WAY, WAY BACK WHEN, 11, 12 YEARS AGO, PETER.

AND Y'ALL DID IT ON A SATURDAY, LIKE AT 8:30 OR 9:00 IN THE MORNING WHERE EVERY CYCLIST WAS OUT IN THE WORLD RIDING THEIR BIKE AND NOT THERE. THE PEOPLE THAT STOOD UP AGAINST THAT TYPE OF THING, REALLY WE CHANGED A LOT SINCE THEN.

WE ARE A PEDESTRIAN. WE ARE TALKING OF MOBILITY AND EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO

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AND THIS WILL BE A BIGGER, BIGGER CONCERN AS WE MOVE THE WASTEWATER PLANT AND DEAL WITH ALL THE OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE HAPPENING THAT WAY. THING IS REALLY -- GOOD TIMING ON THIS. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT

WE NEED TO PROMOTE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHO IS NEXT?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MAYOR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SORRY I MISSED THAT MEETING.

THETPO MEETING. I HAD AN EMERGENCY THAT DAY.

I KNEW IT WOULD COME BACK IN FRONT OF THIS COMMISSION AND I WOULD GET TO SPEAK. THE TRIAL IS AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND HOW THE BRIDGE IS GOING TO FUNCTION.

THE DOT IF YOU LOOK AT DESIGN PARAMETERS ALONG THE TREASURE COAST. JENSON BEACH.

THE STEWARDS. I DON'T REMEMBER THERE ARE TWO OF THEM. WHATEVER THE NAMES ARE, TWO-LANE CONFIGURATION WITH PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITIES.

FRIENDLY PATHS ON NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE.

THIS BRIDGE. I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE DESIGN PARAMETERS BECAUSE I HAVE KIND OF SPOKEN ABOUT THAT IN A NUMBER OF YEARS. YES, IT IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND.

YES, IT IS GOOD. EVEN PART OF THAT MAINTENANCE TO TAKE THE BOOM ARM AND GOING UNDERNEATH AND DOING THE INSPECTIONS, BUT EVEN THE RAILING IS AT A DIFFERENT HEIGHT THAN TODAY'S REQUIREMENTS AND TODAY'S STANDARDS.

SO IT IS A LITTLE ANTIQUATED. NOT BAD, JUST DIFFERENT.

YOU KNOW BACK IN 1974 VERSUS TODAY 50 YEAR DESIGN LIFE AND TO REITERATE THAT CONVERSATION. IT IS GOING TO BE A REAL CONVERSATION OF SOME CONVERSATION WITHIN THE NEXT 10, 15, 20 YEARS. I IMAGINE IT WILL BE A REAL CONVERSATION WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING ALONG THE SOUTH AND NORTH SIDE IF WE EVER HAVE DEVELOPMENT OR CHANGE IN THE LANDSCAPE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE BRIDGE AND -- WHEN THE WASTEWATER PLANT MOVES WE WILL TALKING ABOUT WHEN THAT RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE WILL BE THE ONLY ACCESS.

A LOOP AND THE LEFT-HAND MOVEMENT WILL PROBABLY TALK ABOUT BEING ELIMINATED. A LOT OF THINGS THAT WILL CHANGE. THIS IS GOING TO CONDITION US AS A CITY TO PREPARE FOR THOSE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING.

AND SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH SOME FUNDING IDENTIFIED TO IDENTIFY THE CAUSE AND I LIKE YOUR LIST OF CONCERNS.

THEY ARE ON MY BULLET POINT LIST TO ADDRESS IT.

TO HAVE A FUN. IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN, THEN WE ARE NOT DOING OUR JOB. LET'S GET THE DATA FROM IT.

I AM READY TO IMPLEMENT AND SAY YES TO IT.

FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE UPSET. THEY ARE -- THEY ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE CHANGE AS I SHOULD SAY.

HOPEFULLY THEY WILL GET USED TO IT FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

IF -- WE CAN GO BACK AND -- WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE BRIDGE YET.

YOU AND JACK OR PETER HAVEN'T COP WITH A PLAN TO CHANGE THE

BRIDGE. >> IT IS FDOT'S BRIDGE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I KNOW IT IS.

BUT YOU GUYS GET TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM.

BUT YOU ARE RIGHT, IT IS FDOT'S BRIDGE.

I THINK THE ARROWS IN THAT GRAPHIC WILL CAUSE HEARTBREAK AND FOLKS ARE NOT USED TO THAT. I PASS THROUGH THAT LINE, RIGHT-TURN LANE ONLY. AND I SMILE AT IT EVERY TIME I PASS BY IT, BECAUSE ONE DAY, I KNEW IT WOULD GET PAINTED ON THE ROAD AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WILL LOOK WITH EMERGING TRAFFIC.

READY TO GO FORWARD. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. BUCKWALD, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADD THINKING TO THIS CONVERSATION?

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

GREAT TO BE BACK AGAIN. TAKES ME BACK 17 YEARS AGO WHEN I WORKED IN YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND REALLY SEE ALL THE CHANGES AND THE IMPROVEMENTS -- FORT PIERCE IS A PROGRESSIVE CITY AND YOU TALK ABOUT HOW PROGRESSIVE YOU ARE WITH REGARD TO THE SUN TRAIL PROJECT AND HOW YOU HANDLE HOPELESSNESS. PRIORITIZING BICYCLISTS JUST AS MUCH AS VEHICLES. PRIORITIZING THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IS JUST IMPORTANT. JACK TALKS OF ALL THE SIDEWALKS HE IS PUTTING IN. VERY PROGRESSIVE.

THIS KEEPS IN LINE WITH ALL THE PROGRESSIVE.

YOU TALK OF THE ISSUE WITH THE RIGHT-TURN LANE.

THAT'S RIGHT. IT WOULD GO AWAY WITH THE BIKE LANE AND THE EASTBOUND -- IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION RATHER THAN

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GREAT TO BE BACK [LAUGHTER] BUT THE POINT BEING, THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF YOUR ISSUE BUT A YOU ONLY HAVE TWO LANES ON THE ISLAND AND ONLY TWO LANES.

NEVER FOUR LANES ON THE ISLAND BECAUSE NOT GOING TO EXPAND OR RECEIVE THE FUND TOCK PROVIDE A BARRIER ISLAND.

BACK 17 YEARS AGO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE.

45 FEET IN HEIGHT. SOURCE LIMITING THAT.

YOU HAVE DONE THAT AS PART OF THOSE BATTLES BACK THEN.

JUST ONE MORE IN LINE AND THE KEY IS THAT IT IS TEMPORARY.

YOU CAN PULL IT UP. AND GO BACK TO THE WAY IT IS, BUT I THINK YOU ARE GOING TO SEE PEOPLE USING IT.

THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO SEE. YOU DON'T SEE BICYCLISTS USING THE BRIDGE BECAUSE SO UNSAFE. WE HAVE BICYCLE ADVOCATES IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LOVE TO RIDE THERE AND IT IS UNSAFE.

EVEN HARD-CORE CYCLISTS SHY AWAY FROM IT.

DEMONSTRATE WHO WILL USE IT AND DEMONSTRATE THOSE IMPACTS AND IF THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS. WHY WESTBOUND? WELL, WHEN WE DID THIS BACK IN 2012, THE BIG CONCERN IS PEOPLE GETTING OFF THE ISLAND. THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN TWO LANES GETTING OFF THE ISLAND FOR EVACUATION.

WE COME BACK IN 2019, HEARD THE REVERSE.

TWO LANES ON THE ISLAND WE NEED TO ARE PRESERVE AND THAT IS WHERE THE CONGESTION IS. WE RESPONDED TO THE PUBLIC, LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC. NOT TO OVERSIMPLIFY AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. A.

A BICYCLIST WANT A BIKE LANE. THOSE THAT DON'T BICYCLE DON'T WANT A BIKE LANE. THEY WORRY ABOUT CONGESTION.

BUT TO PRIORITIZE. YOU ARE A PROGRESSIVE COMMISSION AND IN KEEPING WITH EVERYTHING YOU DO DOWNTOWN.

THE KINGS LANDING PROJECT IS A GOOD ONE.

IN THE PLANS PART OF THE SUN TRAIL AND TALK OF A RAIL STATION HERE FOR FOR THE BRIGHT LINE AND MAKES A GO TO PLACE.

BEAUTIFUL NORTH BRIDGE IS GOING TO HAVE A BIKE LANE ON IT AND GO UP TO 82 FEET HIGH. FIXED SPAN BRIDGE.

FLIES OVER THE BRIGHT LANE. ALL THESE GOOD THINGS FIT TOGETHER. JUST ONE MORE PART OF.

WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO SAY YES, YES, WE CAN RATHER THAN NO, NO WE CAN'T. THE DOT IS THE FIRST ONES TO SAY NO, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WE HEARD THAT ALL ALONG, 2016 WITH THE DECORATIVE LETTING. NO, YOU CAN CAN'T DO IT.

WE GOT TOGETHER THE FUND FROM THE TPO AND THE CROSSSECTION.

I WOULD ASK THAT WE NEED -- IF YOU HAVE A MAJORITY, LET'S GET THIS DONE SOONER THAN LATER. AS QUICK AS WE CAN.

GET WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO OFFICIAL BUSINESS AND THE OTHER BE CONSENSUS AND GET IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION TO GET THE PERMIT GOING IN FRONT OF THE FDOT TO GET STARTED AS SOON AS JANUARY AND GET IT DONE BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON SO WE CAN PULL IT UP AND CASE OF HURRICANE SEASON. AND I WILL ASK IF IF YOU DESIRE

US DO IT SOONER THAN LATER. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I HAVE A QUESTION. THE TIMING OF THE FUNDING.

>> TIMING OF THE FUNDING IS, IT IS AVAILABLE.

PROCEDURAL -- REIMBURSEMENT TYPE OF THING AND THEY WANT IT EXTENDED BY THE END OF FISCAL YEAR.

BY THE END OF JULY -- BEGINNING OF JULY, JULY 2023, WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT FUNDED BY THEN OR PAID BY THEN.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

MR. MIMMS? >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR.

IT IS AWESOME LISTENING TO YOU SPEAK NOW, PETER.

HE IS SO FULL OF LIFE AND A VIBRANT.

[LAUGHTER] >>MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK HE IS A

SALESMAN MYSELF. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, BUT HE HAS CHANGED.

MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WISH TO PURSUE, POSSIBLY A RESOLUTION, THAT WE CAN PASS, THEN WE CAN TRANSMIT TO OUR TPO. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

I KNOW RIGHT NOW THIS IS AN INFORMAL MEETING AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME FORMAL DECLARATION OF OUR DESIRES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE CAN'T BY CONSENSUS MOVE TODAY.

WHILE I AM -- WHILE I AM REALLY ENERGIZED BY PETER'S SALESMANSHIP -- THAT IS THE THING. PUTTING ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER

WHICH YOU HAVE DONE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO IS MAKE DECISION IN THESE CHAMBERS AND

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AND THEY GO, ARE YOU NUTS! BECAUSE THAT IS THE PERCEPTION -- THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED TWICE. WHEN YOU TRY TO EXPLAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, IN GOOD FAITH, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT SAFE FOR EVERYBODY, CYCLISTS AS WELL AS VEHICLES AND YOU GO DOWN SOUTH TO COMMUNITIES DOWN SOUTH AND YOU GO THROUGHOUT THE INTERCOASTAL. MOST ARE SLOW MOVING INTERCOASTAL CROSSINGS. I MEAN, THEY -- THE PEOPLE IN THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE GOTTEN USE TO THE FACT YOU CAN'T ZOOM OVER THE BRIDGE LIKE WE ZOOM OVER THE BRIDGE NOW WHICH WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO. VERY FEW PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO THE SPEED LIMIT NOW REALLY. IF YOU DON'T GET IN THAT CENTER LANE THEN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MERGE AND JUST BECOMES A VERY CHALLENGING THING. AND WE WANT TO BE PROACTIVE.

BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND THAT WILL HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS AND ACCEPT THIS AND UNDERSTAND TWO MAIN CONCERNS WHICH WERE EVACUATION AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES WILL NEVER BE A CONCERN AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO ASSURE THEM.

COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU WANT TO TALK?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: LET ME START OFF BY SAYING I AM FOR THE BICYCLES GOING ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

PLEASE DON'T CALL ME OR E-MAIL ME FOR WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY.

[LAUGHTER] BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ONE POINT THAT IS STICKING AT ME IS THE STATION TWO.

BECAUSE STATION TWO COMES ACROSS THAT BRIDGE AND I THINK MOST OF THAT TERRITORY IS PART OF DISTRICT ONE.

DISTRICT ONE AND THIS RESCUE SERVICE IN RESCUE ONE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: BACK UP STATION

13. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MY QUESTION IS THE TIME PERIOD -- THE STATIONS WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THERE IS SOME TYPE OF JAM-UP THAT DAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOME TYPE OF SITUATION BECAUSE A TRUCK COULDN'T GET THERE AND SOMEBODY COULDN'T GET THERE.

SO HAVE WE TALKED TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS OR THE FIRE DISTRICTS TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING INTO PLAY.

>> I INVITED THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM ST. LUCIE FIRE TODAY.

BE HERE. S THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO- >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAVE A FIRE

BOARD MEETING. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THIS

WEEK. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE CAN BRING IT

UP. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT IS

MY CONCERN. >> MAYOR, IF I MAY ASK, DURING THE IT IS STRICT REVIEW, AND THE FIRE DISTRICT ADDRESSED THEIR CONCERNS. THE INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND INTERSECTION. LEFT-TURN LANE THAT EASE AS THAT CONGESTION. I GO BACK TO COMMIS COMMISSIONER PERONA. WORKING ON THE BRIDGE.

MIMIC THE COORDINATION ON THE FIRE SERVICE WHEN D.O.T. WAS SHUTTING DOWN THE LANE FOR THE BRIDGE MAINTENANCE.

SO WE MIMIC THAT TO DO THE SAME THING AS WELL AS THAT.

THE LAST THING WE WANT IS TO CAUSE -- TO INCREASE THE PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE

PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MY ONLY

CONCERN. >> I DIDN'T GET SO FIRED UP A LITTLE UNFAIR THAT FORT PIERCE DOESN'T HAVE BICYCLE FACILITIES ON THE BRIDGE AND 26-MILE A 1A SIGNIFICANCEMENT AND THE ONLY ONE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A BICYCLE FACILITY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OLD BRIDGE.

IF YOU GIVE US A NEW BRIDGE. >> 2045.

IF YOU START RIGHT NOW 10 TO 20 YEARS TO START CONSTRUCTION.

WHAT WILL WE DO IN THE MEANTIME? A $5,000 BIKE RACK THAT WE REIMBURSED YOU MORE. BEAUTIFUL BIKE RACK.

WE WANT TO SEE MORE BIKES IN THAT RACK.

ROCK AND ROLL. [LAUGHTER]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: FIRE AND BRIMSTONE.

[LAUGHTER] >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SO I WAS AT THAT TPO MEETING AND I THANK MR. BUCKWALD FOR SHOWING UP TODAY AND THE PARKS THAT YOU SHOWED THERE, YOU BROUGHT IT HERE TODAY.

I AM A DATA GUY AND I HEAR WHAT YOU AND COMMISSIONER PERONA DID AND THE STUDY YOU DID -- I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT WAS, TEN YEARS

AGO? >> WE DID THE STUDY FOR THE TPO.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WHEN YOU HAD THE SHUT DO YOU KNOW FOR THE BRIDGE MAINTENANCE. WHEN WAS THAT.

>> JUST RECENTLY. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WANTED TO BE CLEAR. AND I GOT -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. WE WOULD HAVE ONE LANE WESTBOUND COMING BACK FROM OFF THE ISLAND, THAT'S CORRECT? ONE LANE. BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE IT AND REPURPOSE IT TO MAKE THE OTHER LANES.

>> OR WE CAN DO IT IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

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WANT THAT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WHAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND WE WANT TO DO IT WITH DATA.

MY CONCERN LIKE COMMISSIONER GAINES, THE VOLUME OF CALLS, 15 IS THE BUSIEST IN FORT PIERCE. AND OFTENTIMES THEY COME OFF THE ISLAND BECAUSE 15 IS NOT AVAILABLE EITHER THEY RUN ALREADY AND THEY CAN'T. WHEN ANOTHER CALL COMES IN, THEY COME OFF THE ISLAND TO SERVICE THAT, RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, FROM A FIRE BOARD DIDN'T, I WILL WANT THEM IN THIS ROOM TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER WE HAVE TO -- WHAT DO WE HAVE TO SHIFT TO ADDRESS THAT. SHIFT THE AIRPORT OR WHATEVER IT IS DURING THIS TRIAL PHASE TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE CITY. I AM IN SUPPORT OF ANYTHING PROGRESSIVE WHEN IT COMES TO EXERCISE, BUT I WANT TO DO THIS WITH -- WITH THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.

AND FOR ME, THAT IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN.

WHEN YOU PUT UP THE CONCERNS OF THE FIRE BOARD, I WANT TO SEE THE ANSWERS AND WE OWE THAT TO THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND AND SHARE WITH THEM THEIR CONCERNS. AS FAR AS THAT WHOLE RIGHT TURN AFTER YOU COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE, THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL DO THAT AT A CERTAIN POINT. YOU WILL COME UP WITH SOME PHYSICAL BARRIER STRUCTURE AND THE TIP OF I-95 AT A CERTAIN POINT AND CUT OFF AND IF YOU DON'T GET IN THE LANE TO TURN LEFT OR KEEP GOING STRAIGHT, YOU WILL BE FORCED TO MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN AND NAVIGATE HOW YOU NEED TO NAVIGATE.

AND UNTIL YOU CHANGE THOSE TYPES OF BEHAVIORS OVER THERE, YOU ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT AND MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS WILL AMPLIFY THAT ISSUE. IN MY MIND, RIGHT.

SO SI WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION.

WHAT I AM SAYING COMMISSIONER, WHEN YOU COME ACROSS THAT BRIDGE, A HARD RIGHT-TURN LANE OVER THERE.

HEADING EAST. AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE TALKING OF REPURPOSING THOSE LANES. THE RIGHT-TURN LANE IS GOING TO BE THERE AT SOME POINT. TWO LANES GOING ACROSS.

ONE COMING BACK. IF YOU GET STUCK IN THAT RIGHT, RIGHT LANE. AND IT IS A TURN LANE AND YOU WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO CHUCK'S OR WHETHER YOU ARE GOING TO SOUTH BEACH, THAT TO ME IS GOING TO CAUSE CHALLENGE UNLESS YOU CAN REALLY CORDONED THAT OFF. IN THE BACK OF MY MIND AS I SEE IT. I HAVE SEEN THESE BRIDGES AND YOU ARE RIGHT IN SOUTH FLORIDA THAT ARE PARTICULARLY PEDESTRIAN BIKE BRIDGES AND NOWHERE CLOSE WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO REPURPOSE.

I UNDERSTAND IT AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE EXERCISE THAT WE ARE HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND WE WILL LOOK AT THIS ON A TRIAL BASIS. BUT I CAN TELL YOU, LOOKING AT THE BICYCLE COMMUNITY IN MIAMI PARTICULARLY ON OLD CUTLER ROAD AND ACROSS THE -- GOING TO STAR ISLAND.

I LOOK AT THOSE ALL THE TIME IN THOSE AREAS AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS TAKING PEOPLE GOING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE AT 50/50 MILES PER HOUR OR MORE AND TRYING TO PUT IN A BICYCLE AREA.

THAT IS A CONCERN. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WANT A BICYCLE AND RECREATE BACK AND FORTH AND I GET THAT.

I, TOO, UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T A PROBLEM MAKING DECISIONS BUT I WANT THE DECISION-MAKING PEOPLE IN THE ROOM TO HELP ME AND I KNOW IT DEPENDS FOR CERTAIN LEVELS OF SERVICE. AHEAR AND APPRECIATE THAT YOU INVITED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE TODAY.

A DIFFERENT WAY WE INVITE IT THAT THEY DO SHOW UP AND I WISH WE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT. BECAUSE I WANT THEM ON RECORD TO HELP US UNDERSTAND IT. AND WE NEED THOSE CALL VOLUMES.

THAT IS IMPORTANT. PRESIDENT PARAMOUNT ISSUE FOR M ME.

>> IF I MAY QUICKLY. IF WE DO THE BIKE PILOT LANE IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION AND TAKE AWAY ONE EASTBOUND LANE AND CHECKS OFF A LOT OF THE BOXES, CHECKS OFF THE RIGHTWAY INTO SEAWAY DRIVE. TWO LANES OF ACCESS.

TWO LANES FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THE ONLY REASON WE SWITCHED IT. INTUITIVELY GOING IN THE EASTBOUND DIRECTION. THE CONGESTION GETTING ON TO SOUTH BRIDGE WHERE IT BACKS UP ACROSS -- ACROSS THE BRIDGE THAT WE HEARD IN 2019. WE CAN FLIP IT TO THE OTHER SIDE. YOU KNOW, IT'S -- I CAN WORK SOME THINGS. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO -- IF WE CAN SCHEDULE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS FOR YOU TO DO THIS RESOLUTION GOING IN FRONT OF THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

IF WE CAN GET THAT SCHEDULED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER WE CAN WORK ON THE REVERSAL OF THE PLANS AND BACKGROUND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE CAN'T MAKE THIS DECISION WITHOUT PUBLIC

INPUT. >> RIGHT.

IT -- WE WILL RALLY OUR BICYCLE SUPPORTERS.

DO IT NOT AT A TIME AT 9:00 ON A MONDAY.

EVENING HOURS AND THEY WILL SIT ON ONE SIDE AND THE OTHER PEOPLE WILL SIT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND ROLL THE DICE AND SEE HOW IT SHAKES OUT AND I WILL GET YELLED OUT AGAIN AND SEE IF THAT IS

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WHAT YOU CHOOSE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THIS IS MEANT FOR A DISCUSSION AND NOT TAKING A VOTE AT A CONFERENCE AGENDA.

>> IF WE SCHEDULED SOMETHING, DO IT AT THE FIRST MEETING IN

DECEMBER. >> WE ONLY HAVE NIGHT MEETINGS WITH VOTES. SO WE DON'T HAVE MORNING

MEETINGS WITH VOTES. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. I HAVE BEEN THROUGH FIVE OR SIX RENDITIONS WHERE WE BROUGHT THE IDEA -- EVENTUALLY IF YOU KEEP COMING BACK WE PROBABLY WILL SAY YES SOME DAY, BUT THE THING ABOUT IT IS WE HAVE DATA PEOPLE HERE THAT WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING TO THE COMMUNITY. IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET THE CROSS SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY ON BOTH SIDES AND FIGURE IT OUT.

AND MATCH IT UP AGAINST WHAT IS OUR STRATEGIC PLAN.

OUR OVERALL STRATEGIC PLAN AND HOW IT FITS IN THAT.

AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU WILL FIND OUT YOU WILL MAKE SOME PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT UNHAPPY BECAUSE OF THEIR PERCEPTIONS OF BEING TRAPPED ON THE ISLAND. BUT THERE ARE FOLKS RIGHT NOW WHEN YOU SEE SATURDAY -- MAYOR, YOU DO, AND JEREMIAH, WE ALL SEE IT ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY MORNINGS.

THE LINE OF CYCLISTS THAT FLY UP FROM JENSON BEACH AND STUART.

THEY LOVE TO COME BACK OVER THE BRIDGE AND HEAD TO END AND RIVER DRIVE. THEY LOVE TO COULD BE BACK BECAUSE THAT BRIDGE IS SCARY. SCARY FOR A PEDESTRIAN, RUNNER AND CYCLIST. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

I THINK BY REACHING OUT INTO OUR POPULACE AND TO BE ABLE TO SAY HEY, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU REALLY BEEN AT? TAKE BOTH SIDES AND CONSIDER IT AND GO FORWARD.

I AM NOT GOING TO BE HERE FOR ALL OF THAT, BUT I NEED TO SEE IT NOW. THANK YOU FOR KEEP BRINGING IT BACK AND BE PERSISTENT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. AND THERE IS A LOT -- A LOT OF NEGATIVITY OF THE WHOLE THING AND MOST OF THOSE ARE HOOKED -- NOT ALL OF IT, BUT MOST ARE HOOKED TO PERCEPERCEPTIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, NOT CONNECTIVITY BUT THE UNKNOWN. WE NEED TO PROVIDE TO THE CITIZENS AS MUCH DATA THAT WE CAN.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM MAKING A DECISION, BUT I WON'T MAKE A DECISION NOT BEING INFORMED AND I OWE THAT TO THE PEOPLE I REPRESENT IN ALL OF FORT PIERCE ON THIS SIDE AND THAT SIDE OF THE ABOUT I THINK. I ENJOY RECOGNIZE RATING AND SPENDING TIME ON THE BEACH AND SPENDING TIME OVER THERE.

LONG KNOWS I DON'T WANT A LONG LINE TO EAT AT CHUCK'S SQUARE GROUPER. I WANT TO GO TO THE MARINA AND ENJOY THE BARBECUE FEST. I WANT TO ENJOY THAT, RIGHT? WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN FORT PIERCE THAT HAVE A BEHAVIOR IF WE STOP REMOVING THINGS AND SLOWING DOWN THE PROGRESSION, WE HEAR IT. UNTIL WE CAN AGAIN EXPLAIN IT TO THEM. HELP THEM UNDERSTAND AND ADDRESS WHAT WE KNOW SOME OF THESE ISSUES ARE OPENLY AND UP FRONT, THEN WE CAN AVOID SOME OF THIS. THAT IS ALL I AM TRYING TO DO IS LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND IF WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, OBVIOUSLY A RESOLUTION OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO DO IT. 37 AND THAT IS MY ONLY THING TO OWE IT TO PEOPLE IN FFORT PIERC TO TRAVERSE THAT BRIDGE TO DO IT IN EITHER DIRECTION. IF I CAN GET COMFORTABLE WITH THE DATA AND INFORMATION. I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WE WILL HEAR FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

I TOLD YOU WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AGREE TOTALLY WITH THAT, BUT YOU -- YOU ALSO SAID YOU ARE A DATA PERSON. I CAN'T IMAGINE ANY BETTER WAY TO GET DATA THAN TO DO A TEST ON THE WHOLE THING, A TRIAL PERIOD IF IT DOESN'T WORK, YOU HAVE EMPIRICAL DATA THAT IT DIDN'T WORK OR DID WORK. THAT IS MY POINT.

TALKING ABOUT IT FOR OVER TEN YEARS.

IT IS TIME FOR US -- IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FITS IN WHAT WE NEED TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE CITY, GIVE IT A TRY. IF IT DOESN'T WORK, TAKE IT OFF THE BOARD FOREVER. I DON'T CARE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YOU ARE RIGHT.

PROVING THE THEORY UP FRONT. .I AM MORE COMFORTABLE WITH TWO LANES. BETTING IN THE TRUCK TO GET THE ENGINE ACROSS. YOU ARE SAYING TWO LANES EAST --

SOMEONE SAID TWO LANES EACH. >> THE CURRENT PLAN.

THE PLAN HAS FLIP-FLOPPED. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SO I WAS CONFUSED. SO MY COMFORT IS COMING WEST.

AT LEAST I HAVE A BETTER CHANCE TO GET THE ENGINES OFF THE

ISLAND. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I AGREE WITH THAT. TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE DATA IS CONVERSATION.

WE ARE GETTING THERE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MAY I, MADAM MAYOR, AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE CAN DETERMINE.

>> YOU CAN DETERMINE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WILL FDOT HAVE

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>> I WOULD HEM SIX TO 12 MONTHS FOR THE STUDY.

WHETHER YOU WANT TO CARRY IT ON THROUGH THE HURRICANE SEASON.

HAVE GOOD SEE RACK SITUATION PLAN AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WILL NEED TO BE FIGURED OUT AND PLANNED.

AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS THE CITY'S DECISION AND NOT THE EASIEST OF THE DECISIONS BECAUSE IF THE HISTORY IS ANY INDICATION, WE WILL HAVE BOTH SIDES COMING OUT AND WILL BE VOCAL AND VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT.

BUT DECIDE NOT TO THE HAVE IT, WE WILL JUST MOVE ON.

AND DO SOMETHING -- THE TPO WON'T HOLD IT AGAINST YOU.

FIGHT FOR YOUR OTHER NEEDS. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE YOUR DECISION. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DECISION

SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: A LOT OF DISCUSSION YEARS AGO.

IN THIS TOTO THE YELLOW STANCHIONS THAT DELINEATE OF TRAVEL LANES BY VEHICLES AND BICYCLES.

WE KNOW THEY ARE NOT BARRIERS, THEY ARE JUST DE-LYNN ATORS.

IF SOMETHING -- DE-LYNN ATORS. I AM NOT GOING TO THE DEGREE ANY. A STAND SON WHO -- OTHER THAN THAT YELLOW DEVICE THAT IS THREE LANES TALL.

I AM IN FAVOR OF THE TWO LANES EASTBOUND AND HERE IS WHAT I AM THINKING. BY LAW, YOU HAVE TO MOVE OVER FOR AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE AND TRAVEL IN WHATEVER LANE IS NECESSARY TO GET THE INTENDED PURPOSE AND DESTINATION.

IN THE MOST A TO B FASHION. BY LAW WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD.

A DIFFERENT STANCE, AND ALLOW THE EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO COME THROUGH, THEN THAT COVERS THE PART YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT.

I AM IN FAVOR OF THE TWO LANES EASTBOUND BECAUSE OF PERSONAL EXPERIENCES BUT THAT'S JUST ME. SO IS THERE ANOTHER OPTION?

DOES DOT ALLOW IT? >>.

I WAS GOING TO SAY -- THAT'S OKAY.

THE CURRENT IS HE SIGN FOR THESE ELONGATED RUBBER KIND OF MOUNTABLE TYPE PIECES DELINEATED.

AND THEY ARE MOUNTABLE AND SPACED TEN FEET APART.

MY CONCERN -- BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN A BARRIER THERE. MY CONCERN WITH THE BARRIER AND I THINK WHAT F. D.O.T. WILL SAY IS TO DO A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS.

AND LOW THE OF DEAD LOAD. ALMOST A MILE ANALYSIS ON DEAD LOAD. AND TO ENSURE THAT THE STRUCTURE CAN HANDLE THE DEAD LOAD. I -- I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT SOME SORT OF DELINEATOR. OR THE MOUNTABLE CURB THINGY THAT ARE RUBBLERIZED. I WAS GOING TO ORDER ONE SO YOU ALL CAN SEE IT..THEY ARE INTERESTING AND SOME ARE NEW.

SOME THAT ARE BEAUTIFULLY DECORATIVE BUT NOT ALLOW FOR SOMEONE TO SWERVE OVER IN THERE, IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.

I WOULD SUPPORT THE RUBBERIZED DELINEATORS AND THEN THE YELLOW TARGETS. THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE.

THEY WILL GET HIT ALL THE TIME. ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE TALKED.IS MAINTENANCE. BECAUSE SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO BE OUT THERE AND REPLACING THEM FAIRLY REGULARLY.

BUT -- BUT STILL IT PROVIDES THE BICYCLE -- YOU KNOW PROVIDES A LANE THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR AN EMERGENCY IF NEEDED.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WHY THE EIGHT FEET FOR BICYCLES, WHY NOT SIX. WHAT IS THE REASON IN THE

NUMBERS. >> MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER, MAXIMIZING SPACE SAFELY SO THEY CAN CROSS.

A TWO-WAY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: FOUR-FOOT NORMAL FOR A NEW DESIGN OR I THOUGHT IT WAS

SMALLER. >> FOR NEW, QUITE A BIT.

>> SEVEN-LANE WITH A THREE-FOOT -- YOU SEE TWO FEET.

THAT LEAVES FOUR FEET FOR THE BIKE LANE.

U.S. ONE IN SOME AREAS WHERE IT -- IT HAS A BIKE LANE WITH A THREE-FOOT PAVEMENT -- OR PAVEMENT MARKING AND HAVE THE CURB PARTS. IT WAS TO -- IT WAS TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE AND NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE OTHER VEHICLE

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LANES. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT

MAKES SENSE. >> A COMBINATION OF A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK WE FOUND OUT THAT FDOT DOESN'T HAVE A STANDARD FOR BIKE LANES LIKE THIS.

DEVOLVING -- >> EVOLVING AS YOUR APPROACH.

EVEN FDOT OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS -- FDOT ITSELF HAS PRIORITIZED SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLING AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE LATEST INFRASTRUCTURE LAWS AND ALL THESE GRANTS AND FUNDINGS MAKE SURE EVERY USER IS SAFE ON THE ROADWAYS. ALL USERS NOT JUST THE VEHICLE OPER OPERATORS.

>> MADAM MAYOR AND I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL IF WE HAVE A PICTURE ON THE CURVE AND I SEEN IT IN SOUTH FLORIDA, AND IT IS VERY EFFECTIVE. AND IT IS A GOOD, YOU KNOW, TWO INCHES UP AND A GOOD BARRIER AND I HAVE SEEN IT ALSO WITH THE LITTLE PLASTIC STAKES THAT STICK UP THAT PROVIDE THAT.

I THINK THAT IS PART OF THIS WHOLE DATA THING.

DATA. IF PEOPLE SAW IT AND UNDERSTOOD WAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WILL HELP ALLEVIATE THAT.

I HAVE SEEN IT IN ACTION AND THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT -- I TRAVEL 95 A LOT. HIGH OCCUPANCY -- THEY HAVE THESE TEMPERATURE THINGS THAT SIT UP TO ALLOW YOU TO PERSON HAD OVER. IF YOU ARE IN THERE, YOU ARE IN THERE. YOU CAN EASILY RUN OVER AND GET IT TO THE LANE. YOU CAN DO A LITTLE DAMAGE TO YOUR CAR AND TACK OUT FIVE OR SIX OF THEM AND AT SOME POINT THAT EITHER HAS TO BE REPLACED OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.

I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT. YOU GO DOWN SOUTH DWIGHT A BIT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: IF YOU GET CAUGHT HITTING ONE OF THOSE

POLLS LIKE A $350 TICKET. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

OH, WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, THE

CAMERAS ARE WATCHING. >> THE PRESENTATION THAT THE CONSULTANT DID MOST RECENTLY DID HAVE SOME PHOTOS IN THERE OF WHAT THEY ARE RECOMMENDING. I DIDN'T ATTACH IT TO THE AGENDA BECAUSE THERE WAS LIKE ANOTHER 40 PAGES TO THE AGENDA.

SO I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO MR. MIMMS SO WE

CAN GET IT TO YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHEN THIS GETS VOTED ON AT A EVENING MEETING, AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY WILL WANT TO KNOW AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

THEY WILL WANT TO BE ABLE TO VISUALIZE IT AND ASSURE.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE CONCERNS

THAT WERE EXPRESSED. >> FDOT HAD THESE CONCERNS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: CITY STAFF'S CONCERNS WITH BE ADDRESSED.

HOW ABOUT FDOT CONCERNS? >> WHEN WE HAD OUR MEE MEETING FDOT'S MAIN ISSUE LOOKED AT THE 2025 HORIZON YEAR AND NO IMPROVEMENTS HALFWAY OFF THE BRIDGE EASTBOND OR SWBD.

AND THAT'S WHERE THERE WERE DIFFERENCES, THE CONSULTANT LOOKED A COUPLE OF YEARS AHEAD AND THE TRAFFIC PROJECTIONS WERE LOWER. LIKE I SAID A DISCUSSION WHETHER THE BRIDGE WAS AN A TER YELL OR UNINTERRUPTED FLOW THAT HAD AN IMPACT ON THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. SOME THINGS WILL NOT CHANGE.

A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS ALREADY FAILING AS SOON AS -- REGARDLESS OF ANYTHING BEING DONE TO THE CONFIGURATION HERE.

SEGMENTS OF SEAWAY DRIVE WERE ALREADY FAILING.

YOU ADD IN HERE AND LOOK 20 YEARS IN ADVANCE, YOU SEE SIGNIFICANT FAILURES BUT THE CONSULTANT LOOKING AT A TEMPORARY, SHORTER TERM HORIZON DOESN'T SEE THE SAME LEVEL OF FAILURES. WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN ADD ADDRESS FDOT'S CONCERNS TAMPA.MAY JUST BE A LITTLE BIT MORE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE DATA AND I THINK WE CAN COME UP WITH THAT. I HEARD ABOUT THE FDOT.

I WILL REACH OUT TO MY CONTACTS AT FDOT AND SEE IF THEY PROVIDE DATA OF MAINTENANCE, WHAT DID THEY SEE.

I THINK WE CAN GET TOGETHER AND EVERYBODY WILL ADDRESS EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. IT IS NOT READY RIGHT NOW.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS, HOW MUCH IS THE CITY INVOLVED IN

THIS FINANCIALLY? >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR,

I DO NOT KNOW. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY.

>> MADAM MAYOR, IF I COULD, WHAT WOULD BE HOPEFUL IF TPO CAN COVER THE COST -- COVER ALL THE COST.

WE NEED TO SHARPEN OUR.ENSILES TO SEE IF $350,000 IS ENOUGH TO

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BUCKWALD.

THANK YOU. SO COMMISSION, DO WE HAVE DIRECTION TO GIVE TO MR. MIMMS? OR ARE YOU ASSUMING WHAT -- ARE WE GOING TO A RESOLUTION AT THIS POINT OR NOT?

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: AT THIS TIME, I RECEIVED YOUR FEEDBACK FROM OUR DISCUSSION TODAY. OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT -- WE WILL WORK ALONG WITH THE TPO AND GET ALL OF THIS DATA COMPILED AND ONCE WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE DATA THAT WE HAVE, WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU AN ITEM FOR APPROVAL THAT ALSO IS ACCOMPANIED BY A RESOLUTION THAT CAN BE TRANSMITTED TO THE TBO IF THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVAL OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

BUT RIGHT NOW MUCH DATA TO BE ACQUIRED.

MUCH INFORMATION THAT WE NEED COMPILE.

WE JUST NEED TO GET THIS TOGETHER.

AND RIGHT NOW WE HAD AN OPENING DISCUSSION -- SORRY, A REOPENING DISCUSSION. BUT WE WILL GET THIS TOGETHER I AM NOT GOING TO RUSH THIS. I ANTICIPATE POSSIBLY LATTER

DECEMBER AND EARLY IAN. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, THAT WILL BE MY REQUEST WITH THE TIME FRAME.

A RESTRICTION WITH THE MONEY. UNDERSTAND BEING THOROUGH.

AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, BRINGING IT TO A MEETING WHERE EVERYONE CAN COME AND ENJOY DECEMBER OR JANUARY, RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD. >>MAYOR HUDSON: EVERYBODY OKAY

[f. Community Engagement Strategy]

>> NEXT ITEM IS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT STRATEGY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: OUR COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST AND OUR I.T. DIRECTOR WHO ARE HERE AND THEY WILL TALK OF HOW THEY ARE ENGAGING AND COMMUNICATING WITH OUR PUBLIC. YOU KNOW THIS IS ONE OF THEIR STRATEGIC GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND THEY ARE HERE TO TALK OF

THAT STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. JOHNSON AND

MR. SWEAT, WELCOME. >> GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, MISS COX IS PASSING OUT A HAND-HELD DOCUMENT. I GO TO THE RECORD THAT THIS WASN'T MY DOING. AND I AM A TECHNOLOGIST.

YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A PDF FORBES ME.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: .COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON DOESN'T LIKE PAPER.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: FALL OUT OF MY CHAIR.

>>THE SAME ONE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA TO FOLLOW ALONG.

I WILL CUFF ON FIVE QUICK POINTS AS AN OVERVIEW AND MR. SWEAT WILL TAKE THE HELM AND I WILL BE ON STAND BY TO ASSIST AS I HAVE ASSIGNED HIM TO TAKE THE LEAD ROLE IN PRESENTING THIS TO YOU ALL AS HE IS OUR COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST AND YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH HIM AND MR. LUDEN IN THE CONTROL ROOM.

THE COMMUNICATION DIVISION WAS ESTABLISHED LAST YEAR, LAST DIVISION YEAR IN THE LEADERSHIP OF MR. MIMMS DIRECTIVE.

WE HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS, MR. SWEAT WHO YOU WORK WITH AND MR. LUTEN. BOB LUTEN WHO IS IN OUR CONTROL ROOM. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK WITH MR. MIMMS, BUT HE IS SEEING OUR ABILITY TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX AND DO THINGS AND HE ESTABLISHED THAT DIVISION IN OUR I.T. DEPARTMENT AND YOU HOPEFULLY TESTED FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR, YOU HAVE SEEN A GREAT IMPROVEMENT AND INCREASE OF VOLUME AND THE QUALITY OF THE WORK AND INTERACTION WITH THE COMMUNITY, GETTING INFORMATION OUT THAT HAS COME OUT OF THAT DIVISION. KUDOS TO THOSE GUYS FOR DOING THAT. SO THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF OVERVIEW IS HISTORY. GIVE A HISTORY HOW WE ARE ESTABLISHED. THE FIRST THING THAT WE DID WAS ASK JOE TO IDENTIFY THE EXISTING RESOURCES AND MEANS OF WHICH WE ARE COMMUNICATING WITH THE PUBLIC.

WHAT RADIO STATIONS. WHAT PRINT MAGAZINES AND SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THAT FOR TV BUT ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT, OUR LOCAL STATION THAT WE WERE LEVERAGING? A REVIEW OF EXISTING RESOURCES AND DID FOR THE SAME MEDIAS, RADIO, PRINT.

I LOOKED AT DEMOCRAT GRAPHICS. WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL OF THEM AND WHAT I WAS SEEKING WHERE IS THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS GOING AND ARE THEY EFFECTIVE? WHAT IS THE R TO SHGZI.

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MY GOAL WAS TO FIND DATA CENTRIC DECISION-MAKING PROCESSES AND PULL THAT DATA IN TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS LOOKING AT DEMOGRAPHICS AND EFFECTIVENESS AND WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE.

WE WALKED INTO COVID AND OTHER SITUATIONS AND BECAME A GREATER IMPORTANCE TO UNDERSTAND IF I CHOOSE VENDOR OR RESOURCE AID AND THE IDEA WAS BUSINESS GRANTS.

IS THAT VERY BENEFICIAL AND REACHING THE TARGET AUDIENCE AS OPPOSED TO RESOURCE -- WE JUST DID -- UTILITY ASSISTANCE GRANT.

WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO USE RESOURCE A OPPOSED TO B.

REACH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST EFFECTIVE AND STILL ON GOING BUT FATH FATHERING AND PARTNERSHIP, WE PART HERRED WITH THE HISPANIC, HAITIAN AND CREOLE-SPEAKING COMMUNITY. WE REACHED OUT TO OUR ELDERLY IN AN APRIL TEMPT -- IN AN ATTEMPT TO GARNER THE HIGH SCHOOLERS WITH COMMUNITY CREDIT HOURS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO GRADUATE AND CONNECTING THE DIGITAL DIVIDE AND THE COMMUNICATION ASPECT WITH OUR ELDERLY AND SOMETHING WE ARE DISCUSSING AND TALKING ABOUT REACHED OUT TO THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY FOR THE CITY. THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY IS THE HUB AND TO EFFECTIVELY COMMUNICATE AND HAVE LIAISONS IN THE COMMUNITY TO REACH OUT TO THOSE CONSTITUENT IS VERY IMPORTANT. SOMETHING WE DISCOVERED THAT KIND OF PUT TO PLAY WITHIN OUR RESEARCH.

INTERSECTION TECHNOLOGIES. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU MENTIONED ROAD CLOSURES EARL REMEMBER.

ONE OF THE THINGS IS WHERE TECHNOLOGY INTERSECTS AND BEING ABLE TO PUBLICLY PUT IT OUT ON THE PLACE INFORMATION HOW TO RECRUIT CAN AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT.

AND DATA CENTRIC AND POSITIVE REVIEWS THUS FAR.

TO LET YOU KNOW AS A DEPARTMENT HAND WHETHER IT IS GREAT TO HAVE POSITIVE REVIEWS AND STILL TRYING TO COLLECT DATA BECAUSE TO LIVE FOR APPROVAL AND APPRECIATION ALSO TO PERISH WHEN THEY REJECT YOU, RIGHT. THE DATA IS THE DATA.

RIGHT. SO THAT'S HOW -- --

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SOMETHING ABOUT THAT PODIUM DAY.

SOMETHING IS GOING ON. GOOD DRINKS OVER THERE.

>> JUST AS A BRIEF INTERDUNKS HAND IT OVER TO MR. SWEAT AND HE

WILL DO A BRIEF PRESENTATION. >> MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, SINCE IT HAS BEEN A WHILE I HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU ALL, A HIGHLIGHT REEL PACKET OF INFORMATION -- EXCUSE ME, I AM STILL UNDER THE WEATHER. PACKET PROVIDES INSIGHT.

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. ♪

>>> WE ARE LIVE, JOE SWEAT COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE ARE LIVE.

>> WE ARE LIVE. >> WE ARE LIVE.

>> JOE SWEAT. >> JOE SWEAT.

>> WE ARE LIVE. >> THAT WAS GOOD.

>> WHAT'S HAPPENING TOMORROW NIGHT IS HERE AT THE RIVER WALK.

>> HERE TO DISCUSS THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN.

>> YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN. >> I SAW A WHOLE CREW AND SAID IT IS IMPRESSIVE. IT IS OPENING UP NOW.

>> FOR CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK. RIGHT IN THE COMMENTS BELOW WHAT

YOU THINK MAKES OUR CITY GREAT. >> WELCOME BACK.

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♪ >>> DESPITE BEING A TEAM OF TWO, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SO MUCH IN THE PAST YEAR AND RECOGNIZE THE GROWING DEMAND FOR COMMUNICATIONS.

ONE OF OUR PRIMARY GOALS IS TO LEAD THE WAY IN GOVERNMENT PUBLIC RELATIONS THROUGH TRANSPARENT, INNOVATIVE MESSAGING BY UTILIZING OUR TALENTS AND OUR SERVICES.

CONTINUALLY WORKING TOWARD OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, A RESOURCE THAT PUTS TRUST IN COMMUNITY. THROUGH THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE AND THE STORIES WE TELL. AND WE ARE DOING THIS NOW BY CONTINUALLY BUILDING RELATIONSHIPS WITH OTHER PIOS.

LOCAL NEWS SOURCES AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS WITH COMMUNITY PLATFORMS WITH ONE OF THE BIGGEST BEING SOCIAL MEDIA.

WE OVERSEE 16 CITY SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS.

THE BIGGEST COMMUNICATION PLATFORM AS IT IS CONSTANTLY REACHING NEW FOLLOWERS AND BELLS US TO CONTINUALLY STAY ENGAGED AND MONITOR ALL AGES. BUT WE KNOW NOT EVERYONE HAS SOCIAL MEDIA, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE LOOKING TO EXTEND OUR REACH AND RECONNECT WITH OUR AUTO AND PRINT PARTNERS.

THIS WILL ALLOW US TO STRATEGIZE CONTENT AND CAMPAIGNS AND DETERMINE WHICH MEDIUMS TO BE USED TO REACH CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHICS. WE WILL CONNECT WITH SPECIFIC GROUPS LIKE LYNN CAN PARK GUIDE, A COMMUNITY OF PASTORS WHO MEET ONLINE THROUGH TO TREASURE COAST RADIO.

REAL QUICK, WE ARE RUNNING THE HIGHWAYMEN LICENSE PLATE ADS ON THREE LOCATIONS, INDEX MAGAZINE, INDIAN RIVER AND BETTER LIVING WHICH WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO SINCE COVID.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

COVID HAS SLOWED US DOWN, TROLLEY TOUR AND SCAVENGER HUNT HAS ALLOWED US TO FOCUS MORE ON CITY ENGAGEMENT.

THE MOST EFFORT HELPING THE GRANT ADMINISTRATION WITH THEIR HOUSING WORK SHOPPED SHOPS ANSWERED REGISTER 350 PEOPLE ONLINE FROM OCTOBER UNTIL NOW TO STRENGTHEN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO LEVERAGE THE RESOURCES.

I HAVE A LITTLE QUICK VIDEO. WE ARE LOOKING TO ENHANCE THE CITY'S DIGITAL LISTENING EXPERIENCE.

AS I MENTION WE OVERSEE THE 16 SOCIAL MEDIA ACCOUNTS.

EXPLORES THE HIGH CONTENT MANAGEMENT PLATFORM THAT ALLOW US TO WATCH OVER ALL ACCOUNTS AND NEWS BEFORE IT HAPPENS.

ALLOW US TO WATCH FOR KEY PHRASES IN ALL NEW SOURCES AND STAY UP TO DATE WITH CURRENT EVENTS, SOMETHING WE CAN'T DO WITH FACEBOOK ALONE BUT HAVE A PLATFORM TO UTILIZE.

FREE UP TIME ALLOWING ME AND US TO SCHEDULE POST FOR A WEEKEND OR FOR A CAMPAIGN PROJECT THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN.

ALSO AT THIS POINT DIFFERENT A I REINAS FOR CONTENT APPROVAL.

AND I MIGHT ADD THAT A CONTENT MANAGEMENT PLATFORM WE ARE LOOKING INTO WILL GIVE US INSIGHT AND INSIGHTFUL ANALYTICS OF THE BEST TIME OF DAYS TO POST AND TO BETTER AND TO BETTER ENGAGE OUR VIEWERS. NEXT, WE RECENTLY LAUNCHED GOOGLE ANALYTICS THROUGH OUR WEB SITE OF THE WHO, WHAT, WHEN AND WHERE TO OUR WEB SITE AND PAGES. THIS CRITICAL TOOL ALLOWS REAL TIME APPOINTMENT. WHAT KIND OF USER, AND WHAT PAGES ARE TARGETED AND SEARCHED MOST AND HIGHLIGHTS NEW USERS AS

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WILL ALLOW US TO BETTER HAVE THE WEB CONTENT AND HELP US VISIT WITH OUR VISITORS IN FUTURE. AND FINALLY CHAT BOT.

AN AUTOMATED TOOL FOR MUNICIPALITY NOW FEATURED ON THE CITY'S WEB SITE THAT I AM SURE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN HOPEFULLY WHAT A UNIQUE ABOUT THIS TOOL IT ENHANCES BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE. AN AI SYSTEM THAT CONTINUALLY LEARNS CUSTOMER LANGUAGE AND A TRAINING FEATURE THAT ALLOWS ME OR THE END USER AN ABILITY TO TRAIN CHAT BOT INTO SPECIFICS TO ASK. THROUGH ANALYTICS WE CAN SEE WHAT QUESTIONS ARE ASKED AND ANSWERED AND LOW FOR US TO FORTIFY WITH TRANSPARENT AND INFORMATIVE CONTENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO ADD FOR FLORIDA CITY GOVERNMENT WEEK THE TOP THREE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED AT THE TIME AND WITH OUR RESIDENTS THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORM THROUGH THE CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. AND THAT'S IT ON MY END.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SO I SAW THE TOP THREE THAT YOU PUT OUT THERE FOR THE TOP THREE AND YOU. YOU -- SO WHAT WERE THE TOP

THREE? >> THE TOP THREE WAS WHERE CAN I ADOPT AN ANIMAL, REPORT A CONCERN AND TRASH PICK-UP WAS THE OTHER ONE. WE WERE ABLE TO ANSWER THEM

THROUGH THE VIDEO. >> YOU DID THE QUICK FIX, DIDN'T YOU. YOU DID THAT?

>> THE ADOPTION ONE WAS NEW BECAUSE IT WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE TIME WE WERE TRANSITIONING OVER TO THE ADOPTION CENTER WHERE

PEOPLE WERE ASKING THE QUESTION. >> WE WANTED TO GATHER REAL CURRENT DATA TO SEE THIS THINGS IN ACTION.

WE RECENTLY LAUNCH IT AND CHAT BOT IS ON THE ACTUAL WEB SITE AND PROVIDES ONCE THE AI IS PROPERLY CALCULATED THE RESPONSES PROVIDE MORE EFFICIENCY AND LESS PHONE CALLS AND MORE INTERACTION WHERE TO GET A RESULT TO GET A PARTICULAR SERVICE OR PARTICULAR PROJECT, SO REALLY CHANGING THE DYNAMICS AS A WHOLE. AND WHERE COMMUNICATION AND TECHNOLOGY EMERGES. AND TO IT BE ABLE TO GET THE ANSWERS THEY NEED IN REALTIME BASED ON AI.

AND THE QUESTIONS COME IN. THE TOP FIVE AND TOP TEN QUESTIONS. WHAT WILL THE RESPONSES BE? AND HOW WILL THIS BE REROUTED? THEY GIVE US THE INFORMATION AND PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET WHAT THEY NEED QUICKLY WITH LESS HOLD-UP.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU CAN DO FAQS WHAUNS YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE ARE

ASKING IF IT IS THE SAME. >> THE FEATURE ON THE CHAT BOT I AM STARTING TO TRAIN. AS SOON AS THE CHAT B OT FEATURE. REPORT A CONCERN.

ONE OTHER THING. AND I WILL ADD OTHER QUESTIONS FIRST AND FOREMOST. THEY DON'T HAVE TO QUICK RIGHT AWAY. THEY CAN GET RIGHT TO THEIR

ANSWERS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: PEOPLE ARE USING

THAT? >> YES, MA'AM.

THE TRAINING TAX A WHILE FOR THE AI TO LEARN.

DEPENDS ON THE QUESTION. PEOPLE ASK RANDOM QUESTION THAT THE -- HOW CAN I APPLY FOR ASSISTANCE.

THAT CAN BE DIRECTIVE. PRICING, DOESN'T SAY A WHOLE LOT FOR CHAT BOT. TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TRAINING.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, EXACTLY. QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. THANK YOU, MR. SHEA AND MR. SWEAT. THIS IS GREAT, RIGHT KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE.

THOSE EARLY CONVERSATIONS ARE STARTING TO MANIFEST AND TRYING TO BUILD A TRUST IN THE PEOPLE AND A CERTAIN DIGITAL AND THINKING OF CREATIVE WAYS THAT DON'T HAVE DIGITAL ACCESS AND THINKING OF THOSE WAYS AND WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO FIGURE HOW TO GET THE WAYS. VIDEOS ARE POPULAR THROUGH EITHER TIK TOK OR SOMETHING -- THEY ALWAYS FIND THEIR WAY OUT THERE PEOPLE DON'T READ AS MUCH BUT SOMETHING THAT THEY WANT TO HEAR OR LEARN. YOU HAVE SOCIAL MEDIA THERE, BUT FINDING THE RIGHT SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCERS.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE -- AND YOU IDENTIFIED ONE GROUP THE PASTORS AND THE FAITH COMMUNITY, ABSOLUTELY, AND A WHOLE ANOTHER SEGMENT OF INFLUENCES IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATE WITH THAT TO GET THEM THE RIGHT

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CAN BE GOOD NEWS AND NOT SO GREAT NEWS AS LONG AS IT IS FACTUAL AND RIGHT. WE DON'T WANT THINGS THAT PEOPLE MADE UP AND MAKING COMMENTS WHEN THEY ARE NOT INFORMED.

EVEN WHEN YOU HAVE TO PUT UP TOUGH NEWS, AT LEAST IT IS FACTUAL AND WE WORK WITH THAT GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS IN OUR CITY AND IDENTIFY WHO THOSE ARE TO MAKE SURE THEY GET THAT

INFORMATION SO THEY CAN HELP US. >> I WILL SAY ONE BENEFIT TO FACEBOOK, SEVERAL GROUPS THAT FOLLOW US, FORT PIERCE CONNECTIONS. THEY ARE VERY AVID OF SHARING OUR INFORMATION AND ANOTHER CHANNEL WITH ANOTHER REACH.

SOMETIMES THAT DOES HAPPEN. SOMETHING WE LOOK FORWARD TO WHEN WE PUT OUT INFORMATION IS WATCHING THAT MULTIPLY.

>> DURING THE LAST TWO STORMS ACTUALLY.

I AM NOT SURE IF WE HAVE THAT CLIP.

BUT MR. MIMMS IS AWARE OF IT. THERE WAS VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK OF THE INFORMATION THAT THE CITY WAS PUTTING OUT.

IT REALLY WAS TRENDING VERY HIGHLY SOME OF THE COMMENTS WERE GETTING BETTER INFORMATION FROM THE CITY THAN THE WEATHER CHANNEL. COLLECTING WITH THE PEOPLE AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT AND TRYING TO FIND IDEAL PARTNERSHIPS AS WE MOVE FORWARD POLICY AND HOW WE DO WHAT WE DO. GOT A REQUEST FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIRECTOR WORKING WITH A NONPROFIT TO HELP PROMOTE -- FROM A FACEBOOK PERSPECTIVE, TO PROMOTE THE SHELTER AND THERE ARE CERTAIN CAVEATS TO THAT. WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AND REALLY HAVE KIND OF LINES OF DELINEATION. THIS IS CITY.

THIS IS OPINION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CORRECT.

I JUST BEEN AT TOO SAY THANK YOU AND ALSO TO YOUR SILENT PARTNER, BOBBY. WE KNOW HE IS WITH US, BUT WE JUST CAN'T SEE HIM. WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO. I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE -- AS PART OF THIS STRATEGIC PLAN, THIS COMMISSION COMMITTED TO MORE OF -- MORE ACTIVE ENGAGEMENT.

I KNOW I USUALLY DO THE HURRICANE THINGS BECAUSE THAT IS IN MY WHEELHOUSE AND ONE THAT DECLARES THE DISASTER AND DOES -- USE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO IT THE EXTENT THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE. TO THE EXTENT THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND GIVE THEM AT LEAST THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE YOU WANT ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO BE THE FACE OF -- OF THE COMMISSION AND PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY WITH ALL OF THEM.

>> YES, MA'AM. ONE FORT PIERCE.

WE ARE OPEN TO THAT AND STRIVE TO DO THAT.

WE USE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. COMMISSIONED RECENTLY A FLOOD AWARENESS PROGRAM. IF YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK THAT OUT TO. A LOT COMING FORWARD AND THE

TEAM HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB. >>MAYOR HUDSON: FOR THREE PEOPLE. MAY BE A DIFFERENT TIME WITH BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND THEY ALL HAVE THINGS THAT THEY DEAL WITH AND WANT GOOD PEOPLE TO SERVE ON THEM AND LOTS -- LOTS OF THINGS THAT GO ON AT THE THAT THE CITY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT AND THEY HEAR ABOUT IT, THEY GO, THAT IS GREAT.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. YOU ARE THINKING OF THOSE THINGS

ALL THE TIME. >> CAPACITY MANAGEMENT AND ATTEMPT TO LEVERAGE TECHNOLOGY.APPEAR BROKEN RECORD IN OUR DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE AS MUCH HUMANLY POSSIBLE OPERATE FROM A SINGLE PANE OF GLASS.

AND ONE OF THE RESOURCES THAT MR. SWEAT SHOWED YOU ON THE SCREEN IS A PROGRAM WHERE HE IS ABLE TO PLAN IN ADVANCE AND ABLE TO -- WE ARE ABLE TO PUT CONTROLS IN PLACE FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE WITH FACEBOOK. YOU MAY REMEMBER FACEBOOK NEVER DESIGNED FOR GOVERNMENT AND COMMERCIAL USE.

A CONSUMER PRODUCT. PLENTY OF LOOPHOLES AND ISSUES.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE ENGAGED IN.

WE HAVE TO SECURE THE CITY ACCOUNTS AND CREATED YEARS AGO.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON CREATED A ACCOUNT ON BEHALF OF HIS DEPARTMENT, AS FAR AS FACEBOOK CONCERNS, HE OWN IT IS. NOT US.

WE HAVE TO CLEAN THAT ALL UP, GET OWNERSHIP OF THE ACCOUNT AND MOVE PEOPLE AND PUT THIS THIRD PARTY IN PLACE WHERE ALL OUR STAFF ROUTES THROUGH THE THIRD PARTY THROUGH ROUTES THROUGH FACEBOOK. CHECKS AND BALANCES.

QUITE A JOURNEY GETTING HERE. QUITE A JOURNEY.

>> THESE PLATFORMS ARE GOING TO BE SPRINGING UP.

SOMETHING WILL BE OLD HAT AND SOMETHING WILL BE --

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON MENTIONED TIK TOK.

OFF LIMITS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF -- OF THAT MANAGEMENT ASPECT.

NOT ONLY THAT SOME OTHER THINGS WITH SECURITY, GOVERNMENT AND WHAT HAVE YOU WITH THAT PLATFORM.

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT I HAVE TO BE AWARE OF AND GIVE MR.

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: OH, BY THE WAY, YOU ARE IN CHARGE WITH CYBERSECURITY TOO WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.

>> YES, MA'AM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS? THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING THAT

YOU DO. >> YES, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I KNOW YOU GUYS WORK HARD.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. >> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM

THE PUBLIC. >>MAYOR HUDSON: TIMES FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. PLEASE APPROACH THE PODIUM AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND MISS COX WILL GIVE YOU A THREE-SECOND WARNING.

>> GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS PATTY WALKER. I LIVE HERE IN FORT PIERCE.

AND I'M HERE AS THE VOICE REPRESENTING MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON BIKES THAT COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY, BUT ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE PILOT PROGRAM. I AM SORRY I AM A LITTLE

NERVOUS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DON'T BE.

YOU MET WITH MANY OF US. >> I KNOW.

SO I SHOULD BE -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU SHOULD BE.

>> MY HUSBAND WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY BUT WE HAVE A PLUMBING PROBLEM. SO THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT.

ANYWAY, MOST IMPORTANTLY, I THINK THIS DISCUSSION FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM HAS BEEN DISCUSSED MULTIPLE TIMES NOW.

AND I THINK IT IS TIME THAT IT HAS TO BE VISIBLE IN ORDER TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THE NEED FOR IT.

ONE OF MY CONCERNS AS A CYCLIST. I TAKE MY BIKE -- I CAN'T RIDE FROM MY HOUSE AND I CAN'T RIDE ACROSS THE BRIDGE SAFELY AND I TAKE MY BIKE WHICH IS EDUCATING THE PUBLIC THAT CARS ARE NOT THE ONLY LEGITIMATE FORM OF TRANSPORTATION BUT THAT BICYCLES ARE A FORM OF TRANSPORTATION. THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.

I TAKE MY BIKE AND PUT IT ON MY CAR WHICH IS ANOTHER FORM OF TRANSPORTATION SO THAT IS REDUNDANT AND TAKE IT ACROSS THE BRIDGE, TAKE IT OFF THE CAR AND RIDE MY BIKE.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM AMONG MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON BIKES. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY SHARED WITH ME AND I LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU, PEOPLE RIDE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A CAR. THEY DON'T WANT A CAR.

THEY RIDE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PASSION FOR GREEN TRANSPORTATION. IT IS GREAT FOR IMPROVING OUR PHYSICAL HEALTH, FITNESS AND MENTAL WELL BEING.

RIDING A MINDFUL OPPORTUNITY THAT CAN CALM THE MIND AND EASE ANXIETY THAT WE NEED THAT A WHOLE LOT RIGHT NOW.

THE EXERCISE CAN SUPERCHARGE YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM.

WITH THE RISING COST OF LIVING, RIDING A BIKE CAN SAVE YOU MONEY. SWITCHING CARS FOR HANDLEBARS REDUCES OUR COT EMISSIONS. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO JUST CLOSE YOUR EYES AND REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE A CHILD, WHEN YOU ROAD YOUR BIKE, YOUR MEMORY OF RIDING A PIKE AND HOW DID THAT MAKE YOU FEEL. WHERE DID YOU GO? DID YOU HAVE ANY BLOCKS? DID YOU HAVE ANY BARRIERS? RIGHT NOW THAT BRIDGE IS A BARRIER.

WE HAVE THE TOWN NORTH OF US AND THE TOWN SOUTH OF US AND MANY CYCLISTS. I AM NOT JUST TALKING OF THE ONES IN SPANDEX LIKE I AM, I AM TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN BIKES.

THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO COME TO OUR TOWN AND TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY OUR TOWN AND INSTEAD -- AS ONE OF YOUR COMMISSIONERS STATED EARLIER, THEY WOULD TURN AROUND AND GO BACK AND I HAD MANY, MANY, MANY INDIVIDUALS SPEAK OF THIS TO ME SO SI JUST WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. I AM GOING TO BE -- --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOUR THREE MINUTES.

>> ONE MORE THING TO SAY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: QUICKLY,

QUICKLY. >> DWELLINGS FOR THE HOMELESS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> I WILL SECOND IT TO YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SEND IT TO ME BY E-MAIL. ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> GOOD MORNING. I STILL THINK IT IS MORNING.

MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, JAMES MCCARTHY.

THE OWNER OF A CONDO IN OCEAN VILLAGE AND I WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF REREGISTERING MY SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITH THE TOWN AND PAID $600. PLUS I PAID A $ HCA FEE TO AVOID PAYING A CREDIT CARD FEE. WE PAY TAXES TO THE TOWN BIG TIME. WE ALSO HAVE TO REGISTER WITH THE COUNTY. AND WE HAVE TO PAY TAXES TO THE STATE. AND THE $600, I GOT TO TELL YOU, IS ABOVE AND BEYOND ANY FEE THAT IS REQUESTED BY THESE OTHER AGENCIES. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT WE PAY A $5 FEEL FOR REGISTERING A BUSINESS WITH THE TOWN.

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

LET'S MOVE ON. >> NEXT WE HAVE CITY COMMISSION

BOARD AND COMMITTEE UPDATES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYBODY WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO START? IF NOT, I WILL CHOOSE SOMEBODY.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL START.

MINE IS REAL SIMPLE. I WANTED YOU GUYS TO HEAR WHAT WE HAD WITH TPO AND MR. BUCKWALD.

THAT'S IT FOR MY BOARD. THE FIRE BOARD IS MEETING THIS WEEK AND THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND WE ARE DO AN EVALUATION OF OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

WE JUST HAD A BIG REGIONAL MEETING THAT WE DID NOT ATTEND UNFORTUNATELY BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE REGIONAL COUNCIL.

NOTHING ELSE HAPPENING THERE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHO IS NEXT.

COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU WANT TO GO NEXT?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: TREASURE COAST LEAGUE OF CITIES.

WE MET AND AN UPDATE SIMILAR TO THE ONE HE GAVE US HERE AND REACHING OUT TO STUDENTS OF ALL AREA TO LOOK INTO HIS PROGRAM

AND HIS SCHOOL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE COUNCIL ON

LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: COUNCIL OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. OTHER BOARDS HAVEN'T MET THIS WEEK. AND MY BUDDY DOWN IN THE CORNER, I HAVE ALREADY RESCHEDULED MY BASIC CERTIFICATION FOR -- TO ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING -- IT IS IN PROCESS OF BEING RESCHEDULED -- THE ONE WAS CANCELLED FOR MY FIRST COURSE AND CERTIFICATION FOR THE RETIREMENT BOOED.

I TOLD YOU I WOULD STAY ON, SO I WILL STAY ON, KEEP MY WORD TO THAT. SO I AM GETTING READY FOR -- FOR JANUARY. LUCKILY IT IS RIGHT AFTER MY BIRTHDAY AND I AM GLAD THEY AIRPORT SCHEDULED MY BIRTHDAY WEEKEND BECAUSE THEY WOULD SAY YOU GOT ME FOR RETIREMENT STUFF BIRTHDAY WEEKEND. BUT LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET IS MEETING THURSDAY. AGING IS MEETING THIS WEEK AND WHAT ELSE DID I FORGET? THE HOMELESS -- I AM JUST WAITING FOR THE ELECTIONS AND INTERESTED TO GET BACK ON THAT

BOARD. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD.

J. JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NOT MUCH TO REPORT. WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK.

AND LOOKING AT ASEEMS. THE BUDGET IS ALWAYS CONCERNING WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM AN OVERALL OR ANNUAL PERSPECTIVE.

WE DO OKAY. VARY FROM MONTHS TO MONTH.

SOME IN THE RED AND SOME IN THE BLACK.

SAID PUT US OVER THE -- OVER THE MARK WHERE WE WANT TO BE, BUT OVERALL, MAIN STREET IS DOING AS WELL.

OF COURSE HOSTING COFFEE WITH THE MAY I DON'T REMEMBER I THINK THIS WEEK. AND HOLIDAY SEASON IS HERE.

SO SITES AND SOUNDS COMING UP FIRST WEEKEND IN DECEMBER.

A LOT OF EVENTS FOR MAIN STREET. ONE OF THE BIGGEST OF THE YEAR COMING IN FEBRUARY AT THE 500 ORANGE BUILDING HERE.

SO TPO, WE HEARD FROM THE -- WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO MENTION BRIEFLY. AND LOOK AT IT -- BUT NOTHING

ELSE TO REPORT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: TDC?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: TDC GOT CANCELLED.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. GOT POSTPONED BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE AND TALK OF TDC AND SOME OF THE ANALYTIC FROM OUR COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT. IT WILL BE GOOD IF THOSE TWO MESHED TOGETHER AND COLLECT THE SAME ANALYTICS AND USE THAT DATA AND USE IT IN WAYS TO PIPE DOWN ON DIFFERENT STREAMS AND COMMUNICATIONS. SO IT IS NEAT TO WATCH.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMI

COMMISSIONER PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MOST OF MY MEETINGS WERE CANCELLED OR I DIDN'T MAKE IT LAST MONTH.

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SO THINGS ARE STARTING TO HAVE PARKING GOT CANCELLED, SO THEY WERE -- I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THE CLERK ACCOMMODATED MY SCHEDULE AND TOLD THEM ALL WE WEREN'T GOING TO MEET.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT I WILL GIVE YOU THE CREDIT FOR THAT.

>> THANK YOU. .

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE A LITTLE UPDATE ON THE PARK. THE PLAYGROUND -- WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS.

I WOULD EXPECT THEM TO BE IN THIS WEEK IF THEY ARE NOT ALREADY HERE I WILL SAY THAT PUBLIC WORKS DID AN EXCELLENT JOB GETTING THE DEGREE OFF THE SITE.

THE GOT THE SITE READY AND TIED DOWN.

I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER.

THE TWO MILLION CREW SCREWS THAT WE PUT IN THAT THING KEPT IT VERY WELL TIED TOGETHER AND CONCRETED IN.

DID A LOT OF TIME PREPPING FOR THAT AND PUBLIC WORKS WAS THERE EVERY SINGLE DAY AND WE SUSTAINED LITTLE TO NO DAMAGE WHO IS OVER ON THE PLAYGROUND ITSELF.

WE ARE LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

GUESSING THAT WE WILL OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC PROBABLY IN THE FIRST TEN DAYS OF DECEMBER WITH THE GRAND ANTICIPATING FOLLOWING THAT. AND TO ACCOMMODATE YOUR SCHEDULES. BUT REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT ALL.

BEING DELAYED AND IN BETWEEN TWO HURRICANES.

SOMEONE WAS -- TO IS PERFECT FOR US TO GET DONE WHAT WE HAVE TO GET DONE. SO I WILL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON MY LAST MEETING WHICH IS A WEEK FROM TODAY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU DONE? SO YOUR LAST MEETING IS THIS SECOND MEETING IN NOVEMBER. AND THEN -- IS THE SWEARING IN FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONER IS DECEMBER -- THE FIRST MEETING IN

DECEMBER? >> CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: RIGHT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: JUST WANTED TO

KIND OF GET THE -- >> NEED THE OFFICIAL ELECTION

RESULTS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE HAVE TO CERTIFY THE SECOND WEEKEND IN NOVEMBER.

AND YOU HAVE TO BE SWORN IN TOO. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I LITERALLY HAVE ASK THE CITY MANAGER THAT. DO I NEED TO BE SWORN?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: EVERY YEAR OR EVERY FOUR YEARS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SOMEBODY WAS UPSET -- MY COMMISSIONER RACE SHOULD BE ON THE BALLOT. I WAS LIKE HE WAS ELECTED.

HE WAS UNOPPOSED. THEY ARE LIKE, OH.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I GOT THAT --

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I GOT THE SAME COMMENT YESTERDAY, ARE

YOU RUNNING AGAIN? >>MAYOR: EVERY TIME YOU GO THROUGH ELECTION, YOU REALIZE IT IS JUST PART OF OUR EDUCATION PROCESS, I GUESS, CONTINUALLY. THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL LEAGUE OF CITY WILL HAVE A PROGRAM FOR EDUCATION FOR NEW COMMISSIONERS AND IT WILL BE DECEMBER 7.

IT WILL BE FOUR-HOUR PROGRAM THAT IS BASICALLY LOOK WHAT YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO. AND YOU -- I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WILL BE SURPRISED BUT MANY PEOPLE ARE SURPRISED WHAT THEY DID SIGN UP FOR. THEY SEE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH, RIGHT AND THAT IS KIND OF WHAT THEY THINK THIS JOB IS ALL ABO ABOUT.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: A YEAR OR TWO LATE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND AND YOU CAN PROBABLY TEACH THE COURSE AND INCLUDE ETHICS AND JUST A LITTLE -- NOT THE FULL FOUR-HOUR ETHICS THING, BUT SERVING ON COMMITTEES AND WHAT THE LEAGUE OF CITY DOES IN TERMS OF ADVOCACY WITH THE LEGISLATURE AND HELD OUT AT THE COLLEGE.

THE COLLEGE IS VERY ANXIOUS TO HELP THE LEAGUE OF CITIES AND BASICALLY OUR LEAGUE OF CITIES MIRRORS WHAT THEIR COVERAGE IS.

THE INDIAN STATE COLLEGE. THEY ARE VERY COOPERATIVE AND WELCOMING AND WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

WAY I WANT TO SAY THAT THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB IN THE HURRICANE, MR. MIMMS. THE STAFF REALLY -- THE COMMUNICATION WAS EXCELLENT AND I BELIEVE THAT THE FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AUTHORITY COMMUNICATION WERE EXCELLENT.

AND THEY HAVE THEIR CUSTOMER UP RIGHT AROUND THE 24-HOUR MARK.

EVERY CUSTOMER WILL BE RESTORED BY SOMETHING LIKE 5:00 OR 6:00

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IN THE NEXT DAY. >> WHERE THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY MAY NOT HAVE DONE SO AS WELL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: CORRECT. THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF RESPONDING AND COMMUNICATING AND THEY HAVE A -- STAFF IS WORKING VERY, VERY WELL TOGETHER. SO UNTIL THERE IS SOMETHING FURTHER TO TALK ABOUT,

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