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>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: YES, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING

PUBLIC HEARINGS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO I THINK MOST OF THESE WHO SIGNED UP ARE ON THE SAME AGENDA ITEM, AND SO YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU WILL BE GIVEN A WARNING, TO THREE-SECOND WARNING AND WE FOLLOW THE THREE-MINUTE RULE STRICTLY. YOU ARE ALL WELCOME HERE AND WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY APPROXIMATELY AIL START WITH

SCOTT ABATE. >> SCOTT ABBOTT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SORRY. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS A -- YOU GUYS GOT SOMETHING GOING ON DOWN HERE BY THE BOAT RAMP OVER HERE NEXT TO THE SOUTH BRIDGE.

AND THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ONTO A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS AGO THAT WE HAD A NEW BOAT RAMP PUT IN.

AND YOU KNOW IT CAUSED A LOT OF UPROAR ON THE PARKING LOT.

AND WE HAVE NOT ENOUGH BOAT RAMP FOR OUR BOATS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, ST. LUCY COUNTY IS GROWING.

AND THERE IS NOT ENOUGH BOAT RAMPS ALREADY.

SO WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE A BOAT RAMP THAT YOU JUST SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON. YOU JUST REDID IT.

WHY WOULD YOU BE CLOSING IT DOWN AND PUTTING SOME METAL FABRICATED BUILDING UP IN ITS PL PLACE. I WANT AN ANSWER ON THAT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THIS IS NOT A DIALOGUE.

YOU TALK, LISTEN AND YOU MAY AT SOME POINT GET THE ANSWER FROM

THE COMMITTEE. >> THERE IS A RESTAURANT THERE FOR YEARS. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE GO THERE.

AND IT IS AN ESTABLISHED BUILDING.

NOW WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO TAKE SOMETHING THAT SOMEONE HAS AND PEOPLE LOVE TO GO THERE AND EAT. I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT THAT YOU WOULD PUT A BUILDING RIGHT IN FRONT OF A SOUTH BRIDGE OR ANOTHER BUILDING. I WOULDN'T PUT NOTHING IN FRONT OF MY -- WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A BUILDING IN FRONT OF JUSTICE HOUR? NO.

THAT'S WHY I SAY YOU NEED TO GET RID OF WHATEVER Y'ALL THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE MORE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE.

KEEP THE RESTAURANT AND KEEP THE PARKING LOT AND KEEP THE BOAT RAMP. WE DON'T WANT NOTHING ELSE IN THERE. I FISH.

I HUNT. AND I EAT.

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THOSE ARE THREE THINGS PEOPLE LIKE DOING -- AT LEAST I DO.

SO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE BEHIND ME ARE TAKING.

THEY ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE A SAY, THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. BRICE DOHERTY.

>> DO I BEGIN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOUR NAME.

>> PRICE DOHERTY. I LIVE IN FORT PIERCE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WELCOME. >> HAPPY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU AND THE PEOPLE HERE. I THINK PART OF THE CHARM OF LIVING IN FORT PIERCE BEING A LOCAL BEING BORN AND RAISED ON THE TREASURE COAST IS THAT WE ARE NOT PALM BEACH.

WE ARE NOT BROWARD COUNTY. WE ARE NOT A METROPOLIS.

NO ONE HERE CARES OR WANTS THAT. THAT IS THE PART OF LIVING HERE.

THE SMALL TOWN FEEL. THE KIND OF ORGANIC STRUCTURE.

THE ROOTS OF IT ALL. WASN'T REALLY SYNTHESIZED KIND OF LIKE PORT ST. LUCIE IS. PROPOSED BOAT STORAGE FACILITY WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE LIFESTYLE OF THE LOCATION HERE, FURTHER INFLATING WHAT HAS ALREADY BEGUN EXCRUCIATINGLY EXPENSIVE TO LIVE HERE, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE IS THE SAME LIFESTYLE WE DID TEN YEARS AGO. I AM AWARE -- I HOPE EVERYONE ELSE IS AWARE -- THAT THERE ARE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. AND BEING A CITIZEN OF FORT PIERCE YOU ALL HAVE BEEN GRANTED AUTOMATIC TRUST TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION OF OUR BEST INTEREST. NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE CITY MIGHT THINK IS OUR BEST INTEREST AND I HOPE THAT IS REPRESENTED IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS SITUATION.

THAT'S ABOUT IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I STAND IN OPPOSITION OF IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

>> BEAU FLAY. BORN AND RAISED HERE, THIRD GENERATION. I SERVE AS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER FOR THE COUNTY. I HAVE BEEN IN MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS -- ABOUT THE BOAT RAMPS IN OUR AREA. I HAVE BEEN ON ALL THE CALLS FOR THE PORT PLANNING ALSO. AND WE ARE IN DIRE NEED OF BOAT RAMPS WITHIN FORT PIERCE AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

MOST OF THE BOAT RAMPS ARE ON THE BRIDGE -- ON THE ISLAND SIDE. SO IF SOMEHOW WE GET CUT OFF FROM THE ISLANDS, WE HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE WATER, OKAY, OTHER THAN THE SMALL BOAT RAMPS WE HAVE HERE LOCALLY.

MOST OF THE SMALL BOAT RAMPS WON'T ACCOMMODATE A BOAT BIGGER THAN 25 FOOT. TRAILERS FALL OFF THE END.

BOATS DON'T FIT. CREATES ALL KIND OF PROBLEMS. THERE IS -- THERE IS A -- THERE IS AN IMPORTANCE FOR OUR CITIZENS FIRST, THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE.

BEFORE WE GO TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE OUTSIDE. AND I KNOW IT IS A TRICKY BEING ON THE BOARD, I KNOW IT IS VERY TRICKY TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH SIDES OF THAT. BUT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO KEEP OUR PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT.

AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THE BOAT RAMPS WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE MOVING FORWARD.

AS PART OF THAT FORWARD PLANNING, WE HAD TALKED OF PUTTING A BOAT RAMP ALONG TAYLOR CREEK NEXT TO CRACKER BOY.

SO A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR ANOTHER BIG BOAT RAMP, IF YOU DON'T ADDRESS THE BOAT RAMPS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PLACE FROM HARBOR BRANCH ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH END OF THE COUNTY TO ADD ANOTHER BOAT RAMP.

THERE IS NOTHING. NOWHERE FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THAT OTHER THAN THE PORT AREA. IF YOU REMOVE THIS, ONE LAST THING WITHOUT ADDING ANYTHING BACK TO TAKE ITS PLACE.

I WANTS YOU TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THOROUGH, THOROUGH TALKS OF BOAT RAMPS ALREADY.

WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS A DIRE NEED FOR THEM.

AND BIGGER BOAT RAMPS AT THAT, THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE BIGGER BOATS. JUST LIKE YOU HEAR, THE COUNTY IS GROWING. IT IS GETTING HUGE AND WHETHER THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ISSUE OR THE COUNTY ISSUE, PEOPLE ARE STILL COMING AND ULTIMATELY COMING TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO GET HERE ON THE WATER. THAT'S ALL MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

RAYMOND SOUTH. >> GOOD EVENING, RAYMOND SOUTH.

I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE. FOURTH AND FIFTH GENERATIONS OF FISHING. AND ALSO BEEN INVOLVED WITH COMMERCIAL FISHING THROUGH MY LIFE.

AND MY FAMILY IS INVOLVED WITH IT.

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I HAVE GRANDKIDS AND STUFF THAT ARE COMING UP.

AND I WOULD SURELY LOVE FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO ENJOY ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO. AND TRY NOT TO REPEAT A LOT OF WHAT IS SAID, BUT WE ARE IN DIRE NEED OF MORE BOAT RAMPS.

THE MANATEE CENTER NOW IS ABOUT SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR THAT WE HAVE, SO WE ARE VERY LIMITED. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER AND REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS REAL HARD BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING THAT ALL THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE PEOPLE COMING IN ENJOY AND CONTINUE TO ENJOY THAT AND REALLY A HARDSHIP.

PLEASE CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT YOU HEAR TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

BOB BENTON. >> GOOD EVENING.

BOB BENTON, 1365 BAYSHORE DRIVE. FIRST TIME SINCE I LEFT THAT SEAT TEN YEARS AGO THAT I HAVE BEEN BACK.

THAT IS HOW IMPORTANT THIS ISSUE IS.

AND I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER PERONA FOR HIS SERVICE.

IT IS NICE SITTING NEXT TO YOU AND WORKING WITH YOU AND I THINK 99% OF THE TIME WE AGREED ON THINGS.

HOPEFULLY YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THIS.

I STARTED ON THE PLANNING BOARD BACK IN THE '90S, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES WERE WHEN THEY WERE DEALING WITH MORRIS CREEK.

CLOSING THE BOAT RAMP. AT THAT TIME, WE HAD 9600 BOATS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND WE HAD FOUR OR FIVE BOAT RAMPS.

THAT WAS PROBABLY THE SAFEST ONE TO USE.

COMPETING WITH THE ART GALLERY. COMPETING WITH EVERYTHING CLOSED MOST OF THE YEAR. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M HERE TONIGHT ASKING COMMISSION AGAINST CONSENT AGENDA A.

THE AGREEMENT WITH FLORIDA NAVIGATION DISTRICT USUALLY IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT 25-YEAR AGREEMENT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE.

AND I THINK THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY, THEY HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB ON THE BOAT RAMP. I THINK IT NEEDS TO STAY THE WAY IT IS. IF -- IF SOME -- NICK WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER -- YOU WERE IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHEN THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED THE OTHER BOAT STORAGE FACILITY THERE THAT I VOTED AGAINST IT, SAID IT WOULDN'T GO THROUGH A HURRICANE BECAUSE IT WAS OPEN ON ONE SIDE.

AND HURRICANE FRANCES, IT WENT DOWN.

JUST MISSED 12 A. SO I WILL ASK THAT YOU THINK CONSIDERABLY. SAY NO TO THAT.

12A IS ONE OF THE BEST RESTAURANTS ON THE TREASUE COAST. AND YOU WILL DEFINITELY CREATE A PROBLEM FOR THEM FOR PARKING. AND I KNOW THE OTHER MORNING WE WERE OUT FISH CAN, AND THE WIND KICKED UP AND NORMALLY WE USE JAYCEE PARK AND WHEN THE TIDES ARE REAL HIGH, SINK YOUR TRUCK IN THE PARKING LO THE. WITH THE WIND GOING, THE ONLY SAFE BOAT RAMP TO USE WAS THERE AND WE USED THAT EARLY IN THE MORNING. BUT WITH THE TOURNAMENTS THAT ARE COMING HERE, SOMETHING WE BROUGHT HERE.

AND THEY SPENT A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS COMMUNITY.

THAT IS ONE OF THE FEW BOAT RAMP THAT IS SAFE FOR THEM.

THE ONE ON THE CAUSEWAY IS TOO SHALLOW.

SO WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE SAY NO TO THIS.

AND LET'S NOT LET SOMEBODY FROM OUTSIDE COME IN AND TAKE OUR WATERFRONT. I KNOW COMMISSIONER BECK LEFT, BUT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME PUTTING LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT ANYTHING DONE ALONG THE WATERFRONT LEFT ROOM FOR THE PUBLIC. IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN THE COMMISSION COMMISSION WHEN I WAS THERE SAID, YES.

BUT IN TALLAHASSEE, THEY SAID, NO.

BECAUSE ALL THAT LAND EAST OF SECOND STREET WAS SUBMERGED LAND THAT COST MAYOR SAMPLE HIS JOB DREDGE IT UP.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

GREG SIMMONS. GREG SIMMONS.

AND NEXT UP AFTER HIM IS GLEN MANCH

MANCHESTER. >> MY NAME IS GREG SIMMONS AND I LIVE IN FORT PIERCE. CLOSING DOWN THE RAMP WILL NOT BE GOOD. IT WILL COST MONEY.

IT WOULD COST MONEY. I AM GOING TO SHARE A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME HERE TO FORT PIERCE NOT JUST TO FISH, BUT ALSO TO BOAT.

YOU CAN JUST GO OUT FOR A CRUISE.

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NOT EVERYBODY CAN PUT THEIR BOAT IN A BUILDING.

MOST OF Y'ALL REMEMBER THIS. I AM SURE Y'ALL REMEMBER THIS.

THIS IS WHAT MADE FORT PIERCE REALLY SOMETHING.

WORLD'S BEST FISHING. Y'ALL REMEMBER THAT TAG.

I GOT THAT FOR MY DAD. BUT THE BOAT RAMP IS AN ASSET FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. PEOPLE COME HERE AND THEY SPEND MONEY. THEY COME FROM PORT ST. LUCIE.

COME FROM INDIAN RIVER COUNTY, FROM MARTIN COUNTY, OKEECHOBEE, ARCADIA, ORLANDO. THEY BRING THEIR BOATS HERE.

THEY BUY THINGS. STAY IN VRBOS, GO TO GROCERY STORES, RESTAURANTS. NOT JUST 12A, SOUTH BEACH, GO TO TACKLE SHOPS. THEY BUY CLOTHING.

SHOPS THAT CAN FIX THEIR TRAILERS.

FIX THEIR BOATS. EVEN ON A BIGGER PACKAGE, THEY BUY BOATS WITH TRAILERS AND SOMETIMES WITH MULTIPLE MOTORS.

SO IT'S -- THE BOAT RAMP HERE IS AN ASSET.

AS HE WAS SHARING. WE NEED ANOTHER RAMP.

A DESPERATE SITUATION BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING AND Y'ALL WILL MAKE THE DECISION. HOPE YOU MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR THE RESIDENTS OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

SOMETHING ELSE. AS A BOAT OWNER, I PAY A REGISTRATION FOR MY BOAT. I BUY A TAG.

I HAVE TO -- FOR MY TRAILER. I HAVE TO BUY A REGISTRATION FOR MY BOAT AND INSURANCE IF I WANT INSURANCE.

THOSE THINGS ARE IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF JOBS THAT SUPPLY THE GOODS AND SERVICES TO THE BOATING INDUSTRY. IT WOULD BE BEST IF Y'ALL WOULD NOT DO AWAY WITH THE BOAT RAMP AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, FIND SOME WAY TO FUND ANOTHER BOAT RAMP AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. GLEN MANCHESTER.

AFTER GLEN MANCHESTER IS FRANK -- LAST NAME STARTS WITH A V.

YES, SIR. >> VERY SIMPLY.

GLEN MANCHESTER, FORT PIERCE. THE STAND-ALONE BOAT RAMP IS THE BEST IN THE COUNTY. LET'S SEE -- THE BOAT RAMP THERE BY SOUTH BRIDGE IS THE SECOND BEST.

VERY SIMPLY, IT WAS REBUILT. AND IT SHOULD NOT GO AWAY JUST BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE SUDDENLY WITH IT NOW.

IF WE HAVE THE ABILITIES TO EXPAND SOME OF THE OTHER BOAT RAMPS, MAYBE WE CAN DO SOMETHING LATER.

BUT AT THIS POINT, THERE IS NO REASON TO GET RID OF IT.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

FRANK GRAND VIEW. FRANK.

SORRY, I CAN'T READ YOUR LAST NAME.

APOLOGIZE. >> FRANK VARICELLO, A RESIDENT OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA FOR MY ENTIRE LIFE.

THE BOAT RAMPS ARE IMPORTANT. THEY ARE PART OF OUR CULTURE.

PART OF WHAT WE PASS DOWN TO OUR CHILDREN.

ON SUNDAY, TAKING THEM FISHING. THE BOAT RAMPS NOW -- SO MANY PEOPLE MOVING HERE THEY ARE DANGEROUS.

SO MANY BOATS WAITING TO GET IN THE RAMPS AND OUT OF THE RAMPS AND THE CARS AND THE TRAILERS. AS SOMEONE STATED EARLIER, THE MANATEE CENTER IS CLOSE $FOR ROUGHLY HALF OF THE YEAR AND NOT ENOUGH PARKING THERE AND ANY OF THE BOAT RAMPS.

SO IT WILL MAKE MATTERS WORSE TO GET RID OF AN ADDITIONAL BOAT RAMP. AND WE JUST -- WE JUST NEED MORE BOAT RAMPS THAN WHAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE.

WE NEED MORE PARKING. AND JUST FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE PEOPLE HAT GO OUT.

AND I THINK IT BRINGS A GREAT INCOME TO A -- TO OUR COMMUNITY.

AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT PARK HERE DON'T NECESSARILY GO THERE JUST TO USE THE BOAT RAMP. THAT WHOLE PARKING RAMP IS USED FOR PEOPLE THAT GO TO THE CATWALK AFTER DINNER AND GO FOR A WALK AND BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO WALK ALONG THE WATERWAY.

I JUST THINK THAT IT IS GOING TO IMPACT THE COUNTY, THE CITY -- IN A VERY NEGATIVE WAY TO TAKE ONE OF OUR VERY FEW BOAT RAMPS THAT WE HAVE THIS SIDE OF THE BRIDGES.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT PERSON IS -- LIVES AT 2911 NAVAJO -- I CAN'T READ THE NAME.

SO PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> DAVID WUBENHORST.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NOW I CAN MAKE IT UP.

I WILL HELP YOU LINDA WITH THE SPELLING.

>> I AM A COMMERCIAL FISHERMAN HERE IN TOWN.

IF YOU GUY GOES TO A BOAT RAMP ON A NORMAL WEEKEND AFTERNOON AS

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THEY WERE SAYING, YOU WOULD REALIZE HOW DANGEROUS IT IS TO GET IN AND OUT OF ANY OF THE BOAT RAMPS.

NOT JUST THAT ONE. IF YOU TAKE THAT BOAT RAMP AWAY AS OF NOW, YOU WILL HAVE ONE BOAT RAMP THAT ANYBODY CAN USE THAT WILL BE SAM. BECAUSE NORTH BRIDGE NOW IS CLOSED DOWN. AS THEY SAID JAYCEE PARK IS TOO FLOODED TO GET INTO. AND YOU CAN'T USE MANATEE CENTER. TAKE THAT BOAT RAMP AWAY.

PEOPLE FROM STUART USING THE BOAT RAMP EVERY DAY ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR THAT COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TO SAY ANYTHING.

BUT IF ANYTHING, YOU NEED MORE -- YOU NEED MORE BOAT RAMPS FOR JUST THE WHOLE ASPECT OF IT. IF THEY ARE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY TO DEMOLISH EVERYTHING AROUND THERE, WHY DON'T YOU BUY A PLACE AND PUT IN A BOAT RAMP AND PARKING FOR US.

MUCH BETTER FOR EVERYBODY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. RICHARD HUNT.

AND AFTER RICHARD IS HARRY -- LAST NAME STARTS WITH A M.

>> HOW ARE YOU DOING. RICHARD HUNT.

THIRD GENERATION FROM FORT PIERCE MY FAMILY'S NAME IS ON THE STREET THAT GOES TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE POLICE STATION, HAYES AVENUE. THAT IS MY FAMILY.

THIS IS A BIG CONCERN BECAUSE I AM A CHARTER BOAT FISHERMAN.

I RELY ON THE BOAT RAMP WHEN WE HAVE CHARTERS, THE BOAT IS A 36-FOOT BOAT. IF A DEMONSTRATION NEEDS TO BE MADE TO TAKE THE BOAT TO ALL OF THE RAMPS, HIT THE BOTTOM OF THE TRAILER AND RIP THE AXLES FROM UNDERNEATH THE TRAILER.

BEING A NECESSITY, MOST OF THE PEOPLE RELY ON THIS.

IT IS A LIVING. NOT JUST A RECREATIONAL BOAT RAMP. ON TOP OF THAT A BUSINESS OWNER WHO RELIES ON IT TOO. A MULTIPLE OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE THAT NEED THIS RAMP. I MEAN, AT JAYCEE PARK, NORTH BRIDGE, AND THE RAMP FROM CAUSEWAY COVE, EVEN ON A LOW TIDE TWO IT FOOT, HIGH TIDE MAYBE THREE AND WITH LOWER UNITS, WE HIT BOTTOM. ROCKS THERE.

OLD CONCRETE RUBBLE THAT MOST DON'T UNDERSTAND.

ANOTHER THING THE SK TOURNAMENTS.

100 BOATS 36 TO 44 FOOT LONG. HOW MUCH REVENUE DO THESE PEOPLE BRING IN AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR. MAY, JUNE AND JULY ALL THE TOURNAMENTS. RIGHT THERE IS 400 BOATS.

FUEL, HOTEL ROOMS, YOU KNOW, FOOD, RESTAURANTS NEAR THERE.

I MEAN ALL THAT STUFF COMES INTO PART OF PLAY.

AND WE CAN'T DO AWAY OF THE BOAT RAMP AND ACT LIKE THESE GOOD OL' BOYS DON'T EXIST. WE DO.

WE ARE HERE. MOST OF THESE PEOPLE SHOWED UP JUST FOR THIS MEETING. AND I MEAN, IT IS A DUMB BOAT RAMP, TWO SLIPS, BUT FOR MOST, THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE BEEN BORN AND RAISED. I HAVE BEEN IN TOWN 30 YEARS.

A CHARTER BOAT GUY FOR 20 YEARS. YOU KNOW HOW MANY GOOD STORIES AT THAT RAMP? GOOD AND BAD.

FISHHOOKS, CLEANING FISH, BOOKING CHARTERS.

THAT IS WHAT THIS TOWN IS ABOUT. NOT JUST NEW PEOPLE AND WE JUST FIND ANOTHER JOB. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE READY TO DO HERE. OWEN PUT HIS HEART INTO THAT BUSINESS. HE HAS GREAT FOOD.

KIND OF A CATCH-22, WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND GROWING COMMUNITY, HE HAS GOT PEOPLE THAT OVERFLOW THE PARKING LOT.

I AM A CHARTER BOAT GUY. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.

THAT IS PART OF BEING A FAMILY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND HE KNOWS THAT.

AND -- AND THAT IS WHERE I STAND TODAY.

YOU KNOW, NOT TO BE FUNNY BUT LIKE AN EPISODE OF "YELLOWSTONE." WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS TODAY. THIS SOURCE LAND AND WE ARE A SMALL TOWN. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS BUILT ON, FORT PIERCE, AM I RIGHT? I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS TODAY.

IT IS JUST -- YOU KNOW, I AM A NOBODY.

I AM A FORT PIERCE GUY. I HAVE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.

BUT THAT BOAT RAMP IS PART OF MY LIFE.

THAT IS WHERE ME AND MY DAD FIRST STARTED FISHING OFFSHORE.

THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HARRY -- HARRY -- LAST NAME STARTS WITH AN N.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: HE IS GOING TO SPELL IF FOR YOU, I HOPE.

>> HARRY MCITGE. I HAVE USED AND ENJOYED THAT BOAT RAJ. I AM GOING TO USE IT TO GO FISHING. AND I WANT TO STAND HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THAT PROJECT AND REPRESENT OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HERE AND MY OTHER FRIENDS WHO DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS MEETING THAT WE PLEAD AND ASK YOU GUYS TO NOT APPROVE GETTING RID OF THAT BOAT RAMP AND AGREE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE THAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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THE ADDRESS IS 903 SEA WIND DRIVE?

DO YOU RECOGNIZE THAT? >> HELLO, ARLEY.

I AM FROM FORT PIERCE. >> YOUR LAST NAME.

>> HATCH. I'M HERE ON THE -- TO REPRESENT PEOPLE WHO ARE IN MY FISHING GROUP.

I HAVE GOT THE FORT PIERCE FISHING CONNECTION.

CLOSE TO 2800 PEOPLE. A LOT OF THEM ARE LOCAL.

THIS HAS BEEN A FISHING COMMUNITY, IN MY OPINION, AND SHOULD STAY THAT WAY. THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE MENTION THAT, YOU KNOW, BIGGER BOATS.

THERE IS VERY FEW RAMPS, OKAY. THIS HAS LED TO OTHER ISSUES.

YOU KNOW, FRIDGES, THE OVERFLOW PARKING FOR THE CITY MARINA.

THE OVERFLOW PARKING FOR 12-A. BLACK PEARL, OKAY.

THE CITY ACTUALLY STARTED CITING PEOPLE FOR PARKING IN THE GRASS.

WHEN YOU ARE CHARGING PEOPLE FOR REGISTRATIONS ON THEIR BOATS, THEIR TRAILERS. YOU ARE GENERATING REVENUE BY THE GAS THAT IS SPINNING THOSE BOATS AT THE TACKLE SHOPS.

YOU KNOW, IT IS JUST NOT FAIR TO TAKE AWAY FROM WHAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FISHING COMMUNITY. AND IN MY OPINION, I AM DEAD SET AGAINST IT. AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT DON'T EVEN KNOW THIS MEETING WAS HAPPENING.

THE ONLY WAY I FOUND OUT THIS MEETING WAS HAPPENING IS SOMEBODY POSTED IT IN MY FISHING GROUP.

IN MY OPINION, I AM DEAD SET AGAINST IT.

SEA TOW TOW BOAT U.S., COAST GUARD, THEY ALL USE THAT SAME RAMP. WE GOT TO HAVE SOME ANSWERS HERE. AND TAKE IT DOWN, YOU KNOW, THE CATWALK. I GREW UP FISHING THAT CATWALK, OKAY. NOW THERE ARE "NO FISHING" SIGNS. WE ARE LOSING THIS FISHING TOWN TO THE ALMIGHTY DAUGHTER AND THE PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO STAND FOR IT. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

MICHAEL JENKINS. MICHAEL JENKINS.

MICHAEL JENKINS. >> GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL JENKINS. 2204 GRAND OAK AVENUE.

THIRD AGAIN RATION OF FORT PIERCE.

BACK IN THE EARLY '70S, MY DAD AND I DEVELOPED THE BLACK PEARL PROPERTY. WE START THE NAME THE BLACK PEARL, TOOK THE OLD GARAGE, TWO-STORY HOUSE AND FOR IT DOWN AND REVAMPED THE CAUSEWAY GRILL AND --

>> GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC.

>> WE TURNED IT INTO THE BLACK PEARL RESTAURANT.

MY MOM COOKED. MY DAD SHUCKED OYSTER.

I SHUCKED OYSTERS AND PLAYED THE PIANO.

WE HEARD THEY WOULD PUT A BOAT RAMP IN AND THE 12A BUOY.

THE TACKLE AND BLACK PEARL FISH MARKET.

I SCALED A MOUNTAIN HIGH FULL OF MULLET IN THAT PLACE, LET ME TELL YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I GOT THIS -- I GOT A LETTER TODAY FROM SOME REPRESENTATIVE.

IT WAS JUST SENT TO THE STATE. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW -- SAYS AS FAR AS THIS -- THIS MEETING.

SAID IN ORDER TO CURE THE OBJECTIONS RAISED BY THE DEVELOPER OF FISHERMAN'S WHARF, THE CURRENT PROJECT AGREEMENT WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY MUST BE TERMINATED.

SECTION 4 OF AT I AGREEMENT ALLOW EITHER PARTY TO DETERMINE WITHOUT CAUSE GIVEN 90 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT READING THE -- IN THIS HERE IT SAYS CONCERNING THIS PROPERTY.

SHALL NEVER SAIL SELL OR CONVEY AND LEASE THE ABOVE DESCRIBED LAND OR ANY PART THEREOF FIRM OR CORPORATION FOR ANY PRIVATE USE OR PURPOSE, BEING THE INTENTION OF THIS RESTRICTION THAT THE LAND SAID SHALL BE USED SOLELY FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES.

I DON'T THINK IT GETS ANY CLEARER THAN THAT.

WE WANT TO KEEP THIS FOR THE PUBLIC.

FOR THESE GUYS TO GO FISHING. FOR MY KIDS TO GO FISHING.

I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL GET TO GO ON LOBSTER SEASON.

YOU GOT TO GET UP AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING TO GET A BOAT RAMP TO GET A SPOT TO PARK YOUR BOAT. YOU WANT TO BUILD ANOTHER BOAT RAMP AT TAYLOR CREEK. I AM ALL FOR THAT AND YOU CAN'T GET RIFTED ONE ON TOP OF IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS TO GET PERMITS TO GET THAT PERMITTED DOWN THERE.

SO IN THE MEANTIME, WE WILL START DEVELOPING ON THIS AND SHUT THIS DOWN. AND ON TOP OF THAT, TALKING OF THE 12A BUOY NOW. WE DO LEASE TO OWEN AND KATIE,

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OUR FAMILY DOES TO KEEP THAT RESTAURANT OPEN, OKAY.

I WAS IN MINNESOTA DEER HUNTING THIS WEEK AND IN GYM AT ST.

LUCIE FIRE FIGHTER. 32-YEAR RETIREE.

A GUY TAPS ME ON THE BACK. FROM MINNESOTA.

HE SAID ARE YOU FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

I SAID YES, I AM. HE SAID WE COME DOWN THERE EVERY YEAR. DO YOU KNOW A RESTAURANT CALLED

THE 12-A BUOY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU NEED TO WRAP IT UP. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT IS THE END OF THE PUBLIC

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

COMMENT. OKAY.

WE WILL MOVE ON. >> OKAY, NEXT THE CONSENT A

AGENDA. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY ITEM THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

COMMISSIONER GAINES? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL 11-A.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE PULLED?

GENTLEMEN? >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I MAKE A

MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY.

IS THERE A SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

SECOND. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT AGENDA.

CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

[a. Authorization to terminate Fisherman's Wharf Bulkhead Boat Ramp and Basin (Phase I) Project Agreement with St. Lucie County]

YES, MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: YES,

MA'AM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM.

>> ITEM 11A IS THE AUGHT ZATION OF PHASE ONE PROJECT AGREEMENT

WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE READ SEVERAL DOCUMENTS ON THIS MATTER.

THE LAST GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE READ THAT DOCUMENT, AND I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE -- THE AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH THE COUNTY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE COUNTY PAID FOR OR HAVE SOME PAYMENT DUE WITH THIS RAMP.

AND I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE COUNTY IS INVOLVED WITH THE RAMP AND IF THEY PAID FOR IT AND FROM WHAT I READ IT IS SAID TO BE FOR PUBLIC USE. HOW CAN WE NOW COME IN AND TRY TO GET RID OF IT OR PHASE IT OUT OR SAY WE WANT TO THREAT DEVELOPER COME IN AND DO WHATEVER HE WANTS TO DO.

THAT IS MY CONCERN. I NEED THOSE ANSWERS ANSWERED SO I CAN SAY YES OR NO. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, I AM A LITTLE -- MY -- EXCUSE ME, I AM GETTING OVER A COLD.

I HAD TO TAKE OFF MY COMMISSIONER HAT AND PUT ON MY OTHER HAT, THE ATTORNEY HAT, AND SOMETHING IS NOT SITTING RIGHT WITH ME. I AM NOT AFRAID TO SAY THAT.

ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ME KNOW I AM NOT AFRAID TO SAY THAT.

IF YOU CAN ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS SO SOMEBODY CAN UNDERSTAND OR SOMEBODY CAN EXPLAIN TO ME HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, IT WILL BETTER HELP ME MAKE A DECISION ON THIS ISSUE F FROM.

BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE READ -- THE BACKGROUND FROM WHAT I READ HAVEN'T GOTTEN ME HERE. MA MR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: WE DID FEEL LIKE IT HAS BEEN A MINUTE SINCE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS, SINCE WE SEEN THE PROPOSAL, SINCE WE VOTED ON THE PROPOSAL AND MOVED FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT.

WE WILL REHASH HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHERE WE ARE NOW AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS WILL BE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.

SO WITHOUT IF YOU WERE FURTHER ADO, I TURN IT OVER TO OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER AND SHE WILL GUIDE US THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO PROCEED WITH.

>> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION.

AS MR. MIMMS MENTIONED IT HAS BEEN A WHILE AND I THINK IT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO PICK OUT SOME KEY PARTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND SOME OF THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER. HERE ARE THE PARCELS THAT WE ARE SPEAKING OF TONIGHT. THE BOAT RAMP.

THIS IS PART OF THE CITY OWNED PARCEL THAT EXTENDS TO THE SOUTH ABOUT 14 ACRES. WE HAVE TWO PARCELS HERE THAT ARE OWNED BY THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY.

ABOUT JUST OVER THREE ACRES. SERVES AS THE BUFFER AS YOU GUYS KNOW BETWEEN THE PORT AND THE DOWNTOWN.

WE RECEIVE A DIRECTIVE TO PUT THIS PROPERTY OUT FOR PROPOSAL.

SO WE EMBARKED ON A SOLICITATION PROCESS BACK IN 2020.

WE HAVE SOME GOALS HERE. PUBLIC SPACE AND PUBLIC ACCESS THROUGH THE WATER FRONT IS OF UPMOST IMPORTANCE OF THE CITY.

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE, GENERATING AND STIMULATING SOME OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA.

QUALITY DESIGN AND EARNED STANDING THE OTHER PARCELS THAT WEREN'T INCLUDED AND THE UNIQUE LAYOUT OF THE SITE AND MEETING THE GOALS OF THE CRA AND THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT.

KIND OF A BRIEF TIMELINE. WE ISSUED THAT RFP BACK IN JUNE

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OF 2020. WE SUBSEQUENTLY EXECUTED OF A AGREEMENT WITH PIER 1 LAST YEAR. TWO AMENDMENTS TO EXTENDS THE DEADLINES FOR THE CITY TO CURE THESE OBJECTIONS WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND WE HAVE UNTIL MARCH OF 2023 TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE THINGS.

SO THIS PIERCE ONE MARINA $26 MILLION PROJECT BACK IN 2020 WHENEVER THESE PROPOSALS WERE SUBMITTED.

INCLUDE ENHANCED.PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATERFRONT BY WAY OF AN EASEMENT. THERE WILL BE A RELOCATION AT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE OF THE MARINA OR ENHANCEMENT OF THE PUBLIC BOAT RAMPS, RIGHT-OF-WAY IMPROVEMENTS TO FISHERMAN'S WHARF THE STREET SURROUNDING THE PROJECT AND IMPROVE PUBLIC PARKING. HERE IS EXCERPTS FROM THE PUBLIC AGREEMENT WE EXECUTED IN AUGUST LAST YEAR.

EASEMENT OF PUBLIC ACCESS WILL INCORPORATE THE PROJECT'S BOARDWALK, BOAT SLIPS AND MARINA BASIN AND INCLUDE LANGUAGE THAT THE DEVELOPER AT THEIR EXPENSE WILL RELOCATE THE EXISTING BOAT RAMP. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS CONVERSATION EXTENSIVELY AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR BOAT RAMPS. HECK, I FEEL -- I AM A BOATER.

MY DAD -- I FEEL YOUR PAIN. I DO.

SO WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THAT AND THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED THAT IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL AT THEIR EXPENSE HANDLE THAT RELOCATION. SO THE TITLE OPTIONS.

THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE KEY HERE. NUMBER ONE THE STATE REVERSIONARY RIGHTS. ONE OF THE PARCELS DEEDED TO US BY THE STATE AND MUST REMAIN PUBLIC AND WE ARE DEALING WITH THE REVERSIONARY RIGHTS AND THE BULK HEAD, BASIN AGREEMENT AND THE SITE DEDICATION. BACK IN NOVEMBER 2015, THE COUNTY AND THE CITY EMBARKED ON AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO CREATE THE SYNERGY TO DEVELOP THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE.

THE FIRST PROJECT AGREEMENT TO COME OUT OF THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IN DECEMBER OF 2019 AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. THIS AREA HERE IS THE PART THAT THE CITY DEDICATED BACK IN MARCH 9, 2022.

THE COUNTY RECEIVED A GRANT AS IT WAS ALLUDED TO EARLIER AND THE DEVELOP WILL HAVE TO REPAVE THAT CONTRIBUTION TO THE COUNTY OF WHAT THEY RECEIVED SO THEY CAN REPAY FINE.

AND THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO RELOCATE THAT BOAT RAMP AS WELL.

OUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IN KEEPING WITH THE PROCESS OF THIS SOLICITATION IS TO TERMINATE THAT AGREEMENT.

THAT IS THE FIRST PHASE IN CURING THAT TITLE OBJECTION.

AND I WILL HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUEST

QUESTIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: THAT SAN OVERVIEW WHY WE ARE HERE.

THE PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CURING OF THOSE TITLE OBJECTIONS AND THE TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT WITH ST. LUCIE

COUNTY WILL BEGIN THAT PROCESS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM

MAYOR -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU GOING

TO SPEAK NOW? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YOU WANT

TO -- >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MY QUESTION -- THANK YOU, MAYOR. MY QUESTION IS THAT IT ASSUMES THAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE RECIPIENT TO -- THEY ARE GOING TO AGREE WITH OUR FORMAT GOING FORWARD ON THIS REQUEST.

AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME FORM OF COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN STAFF.

JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS THE MIND SET OF THE COUNTY RIGHT

NOW. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: CONTINUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AS LATE AS THIS AFTERNOON. THEY ARE ON BOARD KNOWING WHAT WE ARE DOING. BUT LET'S BE CLEAR, OKAY.

I AGREE WITH EVERYONE HERE. WE NEED BOAT RAMPS IN FORT PIERCE. THAT WAS ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS AGREEMENT. THERE MUST BE A CONTRIBUTION TOWARD -- FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE BOAT RAMPS AND CONTRIBUTE WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING AT HARBOR POINT PARK. THE UPMOST IMPORTANCE TO THAT.

THE COUNTY IS AWARE OF THAT, BUT THEY ARE FULLY AWARE WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE TONIGHT AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT

AGREEMENT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU READY?

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES. SO WE CAN START HERE.

>> SORRY, IT IS GOING SLOW. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I HEARD THE CONCERNS OF THE CITIZENS.

I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY THE SENTIMENT.

I ENJOY FISHING MYSELF. SO THIS TRIANGULAR AREA TO THE BOTTOM HERE IS WHAT EVERYONE HAS CHALLENGED WITH AND A GREAT

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PLACE TO LAUNCH A BOAT, RIGHT. AND SO BASED ON ANY AGREEMENT TO MOVE FORWARD, THIS AREA WOULD HAVE TO BE REBUILT SOME PLACE ELSE TO PROVIDE THAT. I SAW SOMETHING THAT SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO INTERFERE WITH PUBLIC ACCESS TO THIS WATER.

PUBLIC -- IN THAT EASEMENT. YOU TALKED ABOUT AN EASEMENT AREA, RIGHT. WHERE IS THAT EASEMENT AREA PERHAPS IN HERE. IS THERE ONE DEDICATED RIGHT NOW

INDICATED? >> IT IS NOT.

WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEIR SITE PLAN YET, BUT IT WILL -- IT IS ENVISIONED TO INCORPORATE THIS ENTIRE BOARDWALK AREA ALL AROUND. THEY ARE ENVISIONS SOME DOCKS HERE. AND THAT WOULD ALL BE -- REMAIN

PUBLIC ACCESS. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING FROM THEM TO SAY THIS IS WHERE

IT IS GOING TO BE. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: WE HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS YET.

AND THE ENTIRE MARINA BASIN SHALL REMAIN FOR THE PUBLIC'S

USE. >> BOATS?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WAIT, SIR, SIR.

WE ARE HAVING A DISCUSSION, MADAM MAYOR AMONGST THE COMMISSIONERS TO TRY TO ADDRESS WHAT I HEARD THAT ALSO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT NEEDS TO GET OUT -- I APPRECIATE HAVING CONVERSATION, BUT SOME HAVE NOT HEARD THIS BEFORE. AND THAT'S WHY I WONDER TO TRY TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE.

AND ALSO, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT REVISIONARY CLAUSE. CAN YOU STEP BACK TO THAT? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT REVISIONARY MEANS AND HOW THIS PROTICKETS THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

WHERE WAS THAT? >> IT WAS THAT LAST SLIDE.

LET ME TAKE YOU BACK TO THE MAP. OR THE AERIAL.

THESE TWO PARCELS ARE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY OWNED PARCELS. NO ISSUES HERE.

THIS ISSUE WHERE THE RAMP IS PART OF THE 14 ACRES THAT GO DOWN TO THE MANATEE CENTER. ALL PART OF ONE PARCEL DEEDED TO US BY THE STATE AND A CLAUSE THERE THAT MUST REMAIN PUBLIC.

SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE STATE RIGHT NOW ON DETERMINING IF THIS -- IF THIS PROPOSAL MEETS THEIR GUIDELINES AND IF THEY ARE

WILLING TO RELEASE THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SO YOU SAID -- WHEN YOU SAY "THE PROPOSAL," THAT IS A PROPOSAL

FROM A DEVELOPER? >> RIGHT, THAT WE WENT THROUGH

THE RFP PROCESS, YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE STATE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THIS?

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD THAT AS WELL.

SO IF -- IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THE DEVELOPER -- BECAUSE THERE IS A -- THERE IS A GRANT THAT WAS RECEIVED.

AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT ALLOWED FOR US TO REDO THAT BOAT RAMP.

X AMOUNT OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, WHATEVER IT IS.

IF THAT IS GRANTED, THIS DEVELOPER MUST RELOCATE THAT.

PAY BACK THAT MONEY TO THE COUNTY SO WE ARE CLEAR OF THAT.

AND THEN THEY MUST PROVIDE ACCESS TO THIS DEEP WATER BASIN

SO PEOPLE CAN LAUNCH THEIR BOAT. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT IS HOW THE AGREEMENT IS WRITTEN.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: ALL RIGHT.

MADAM MAYOR, I AM GOING TO STOP RIGHT THERE FOR NOW.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE LISTENED TO YOU.

NOW THE CONVERSATION IS AMONG US.

SO I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION WITH THAT.

BECAUSE WE -- I KNOW HOW -- HOW STRONGLY YOU FEEL.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THIS.

YOU SEE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE 20 20 THIS SINCE 2020 AND THIS HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.

AND SO WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH THE BEST DECISION THAT WE WILL MAKE -- THAT WILL MAKE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND LOVE THIS PLACE AND LOVE AND HAVE TIES TO THAT, FOR THAT -- FOR THAT TO BE AVAILABLE FOR ALL OF US, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT WE HAD THE COUNTY -- ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAD AGREED TO HAVE A BUFFER DEVELOPMENT BETWEEN THE DOWNTOWN AND THE MEGA YACHT CENTER.

SO WE ARE JUST TRYING TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THIS.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY ALL ALONG.

THE COUNTY ACTUALLY CAME TO US AND HAD MASTER PLANS THAT THEY PRESENTED THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH COOPERATION WITH THEM.

SO THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOW COME THE HEIGHT OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE -- THAT YOU ARE -- AND I AM SORRY THAT YOU ARE JUST FINDING OUT ABOUT IT. I WISH THAT I COULD HAVE SEEN YOU IN 2020. BUT THAT'S -- THAT IS WATER OVER THE DAM AND THAT -- AND I DON'T -- I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU ARE NOT SARCASTIC WITH ME.

I AM BEING SINCERE. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS A LONG TIME. I WANT TO SAY, MR. MIMMS, HELP ME REMEMBER THIS OR MISS HARNAGE.

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WHEN THE DEVELOPER MADE THE PROPOSAL, WHAT HE PROPOSED WAS TWO BOAT RAMPS. THAT IS WHAT HE PROPOSED MIMMS

MIMMS YES, MA'AM -- >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, MA'AM, SEVERAL ITERATIONS OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL.

ONE OF THE FIRST PROPOSALS WAS TO KEEP THE EXISTING BOAT RAMP IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. THIS HAS SUBSEQUENTLY CHANGED.

YOU AS A CITY COMMISSION HAS NOT APPROVED ANYTHING.

THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE APPROVED WAS THE FACT THAT THIS DEVELOPER HAS PUT FORTH THE HIGHEST-RANKED PROPOSAL AND WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT PROCESS.

THAT'S IT. YOU HAVE NOT APPROVED FOR THE BOAT RAMP TO BE RELOCATED, TO BE DESTROYED, ANYTHING, TO BE EXPANDED. YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE APPROVED SITE PLAN. THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU IN THE FORM OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL PROCESS.

AND AS NEEDED THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH ADDENDUMS AND EXHIBITS SHOWING THE ACTUAL LAYOUT OF THIS

DEVELOPMENT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT DOES NOT MEAN THERE WILL BE A BOAT RAMP THAT WILL BE

REMOVED? >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: THAT'S

CORRECT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE FACT OF THE MATTER EVERY PERSON UP HERE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT THE BOAT RAMPS ARE TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST INLETS IN THE STATE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME AND USE AND FISH IN OUR WATERS AND ENJOY OUR WATERS AND SPEND MONEY IN OUR RESTAURANTS. 12-A BUOY INCLUDING.

SO COMMISSIONER GAINES, WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK NOW?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, YES.

I -- MAYBE I AM JUST -- IT IS MONDAY NIGHT AND MAYBE I AM JUST TIRED. HAS BEEN A LONG DAY.

AND MAYBE I READ TOO MUCH INTO THIS WITH MY OTHER GLASSES ON.

CAN SOMEBODY SIMPLY TELL ME WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ASKING ME TO VOTE ON TONIGHT. [LAUGHTER] YEAH, BECAUSE I AM -- I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

I MEAN, I READ EVERYTHING. I KNOW THE STATE IS INVOLVED, THE COUNTY IS INVOLVED, WE ARE INVOLVED.

NOW I AM HEARING NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE.

WE ARE NOT -- WHAT -- WHAT -- TWO BOAT RAMPS, THIS -- WHAT ARE WE VOTING ON TONIGHT? THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO KNOW.

>> YES, SIR. IT IS.

THIS WAS COMPLEX. WE WANTED TO KIND OF PAINT THE PICTURE WHERE WE HAVE BEEN. AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN IN THAT

SEAT AT THAT POINT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WAS NOT. I AM TRYING TO CATCH UP.

>> A PART OF OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

SO WE DID EXECUTE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE HIGHEST-RANKED PROPOSAL PIERCE ONE MARINA GROUP.

WE HAVE OBLIGATIONS AS A CITY AND THEY HAVE OBLIGATIONS IN THE AGREEMENT. TO HAVE TITLE OR SURVEY OBJECTIONS. THAT IS ONE OF THOSE.

THEY RAISED THIS AGREEMENT WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY WITH THE TITLE OBJECTION BECAUSE IF IT STAY THE WAY IT IS THEY COULDN'T DEVELOP WHAT THEY WANT TO DEVELOP. THE FIRST PHASE IS TO TERMINATE THAT AGREEMENT AND WORK WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE SITE DEDICATION AND WHAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. THAT IS ALL WE ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT, THE TERMINATION OF THIS AGREEMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: AS I HAVE BEEN TAUGHT IN MY LEGAL STUDIES FOR THE COMMONSENSE PERSON.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS -- WHAT YOU ARE ASKING ME TO DO TONIGHT IS TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, SAY WE CAN STOP AN AGREEMENT

WITH ST. LUCY COUNTY. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ST. LUCIE COUNTY THAT WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH. END THAT AGREEMENT SO FUTURE SITE DEVELOPMENTS AND EVERYTHING CAN MOVE ON IN THIS PROJECT THAT WILL COME BACK IN FRONT OF US TO MAKE A DECISION AT THAT TIME IF

WE LIKE IT OR NOT? >> YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT'S WHAT WE GOT?

>> THAT IS RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

PERONA. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO TERMINAE, YOU HAVE TWO SIDES

OF THE AGREEMENT -- >> SPEAK UP.

PLEASE. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: OKAY.

SORRY. I SAID NORMALLY WHEN YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT, YOU HAVE TWO SIDES OF AN AGREEMENT.

THIS IS FOR OUR SIDE TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT.

AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND YOU JUST TERMINATE YOUR SIDE OF IT, WHAT -- IS THERE ANY LEGAL WRANGLING THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT? I AM GOING TO PITCH THIS TO YOU, MISS EARLEY. WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCE FOR US TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AT THIS POINT?

>> SO, AS YOU CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED, COMMISSIONER, MADAM

MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM.

>> AND COMMISSIONER PERONA, AS YOU CORRECTLY IDENTIFIED, TWO WAYS TO GET OUT OF THIS AGREEMENT.

I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT MISSHARNAGE SAYS, BUT IN TERMS OF HOW WE GOT HERE. AT THIS POINT, ALL WE ARE DECIDING ON TO GET OUT OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

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TWO WAYS TO GET OUT OF IT RIGHT NOW.

YOU CAN EITHER GET OUT OF IT UNILATERALLY BY GIVING FORMAL NOTICE UNDER THE CONTRACT. AND IT HAS TO BE DONE IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY. A VOTE TONIGHT TO AUTHORIZE EXITING THE AGREEMENT IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH.

STAFF WILL HAVE TO SEND FORMAL NOTICE UNDER THE TERMS OF THE CONTRACT ITSELF. AND THERE IS A 09 DAY PROVISION.

WE NEED TO GIVE THEM 90 DAYS NOTICE TO GET OUT OF IT UNILATERALLY. A SECOND WAY IF GET OUT OF THE AGREEMENT IS TO DO SO BY REACHING AN AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY. AND WITH FIND AND ANY OTHER PARTIES WILL BE AFFECTED BY -- BY OUR EXITING THAT PARTICULAR AGREEMENT. SO IT -- IT CLEARLY -- A NEGOTIATED EXIT IN A CONTROLLED FASHION I WOULD SAY IS PROBABLY MORE ADVISABLE. IT IS NOT THE MOST SPEEDY WAY OF GETTING OUT OF IT. SO THAT IS REALLY -- AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE GOT TWO LEVELS OF CONSIDERATION.

NUMBER ONE, ARE WE GOING TO AUTHORIZE GETTING OUT OF THE AGREEMENT? AND NUMBER TWO, IF SO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT OF IT. WILL IT BE UNILATERALLY OR BY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND ALL OF THE INTERESTED PARTIES AND

NEGOTIATING THAT EXIT. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: SO IN YOUR WORDS, YOU WOULD -- YOU WOULD PREFER A MOTION TO INVESTIGATE THE WAY TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THIS AGREEMENT.

RATHER THAN JUST SAY "TERMINATE." YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SO ABSOLUTE IN THIS, BUT SEEMS SOME WRANGLING GOING TO GO ON. IF WE VOTE TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT, AND SEEMS LIKE THERE WILL BE A CONSEQUENCE TO THAT.

LIKE CITY PAY US ALL THE MONEY WE SPENT TO, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN FIND AND THE COUNTY AND EVERYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT.

AND I MEAN -- AND I KNOW WE HAVE A DEVELOPER IN THE BACKGROUND THAT SAYS, NO, I WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.

SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF LOOSE ENDS HERE THAT MAY NEED TO BE TIED UP

BEFORE WE DO PROCEED. >> MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY.

TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT YOU SAID COMMISSIONER PERONA, JUST GETTING OUT OF THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT CORRECT THE UNDERLYING PROBLEMS THAT CAUSES THE TITLE DEFECT, WHICH IS THE SITE DEDICATION. TERMINATING THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT TERMINATE THE SITE DEAD CAUTION.

THAT'S WHY I AM SAYING AS YOU PUT IT LEGAL WRANGLING GOING FORWARD. ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO -- IN WHAT ORDER YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES.

SO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AGREEMENT WE ENTERED INTO IN 2021, WE HAVE GOT TO CLEAR THE TITLE DEFECTS OR WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO CLOSE ON THE PROPERTY.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: PICK UP ON THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL.

SO MISS EARLEY, IF I CAN AND COMMISSIONER PERONA HAD SOME OF THE CONCERNS. I THINK OUR CITY MANAGER SPOKE BRIEFLY ABOUT IT IN SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS.

WITH THE COUNTY MANAGERS AND THEIR STAFFING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE TRIGGERS COULD BE BASED ON THE -- BASED ON THE OTHER THIRD PARTY THAT GRANT -- THAT GAVE US A GRANT. AND THAT IS A CONCERN, RIGHT.

SO IF YOU TERMINATE SOMETHING, WHAT DOES THEIR LANGUAGE SAY ABOUT THAT TERMINATION? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SIGN ON AN AGREEMENT AND THAT IS WHERE SOME UNCOMFORT IS GROWING AS TO WHAT IS IN THEIR LANGUAGE FOR DETERMINATION.

I READ OUR RESOLUTION. PRETTY SIMPLE.

WE GIVE 90 DAYS, BUT THE DETAILS OF WHAT TRIGGERS THAT AS A CONCERN RIGHT NOW AND THAT -- THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I DON'T

THINK WE CAN ADDRESS TONIGHT. >> MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE DOES NOT HAVE A ARCH AN AGREEMENT FOR A AGREEMENT WITH F.I.N.D.

THE CITY OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY ENTERED INTO AGREEMENT WITH F.I.N.D. 30 FEET OF THE SEAWALL.

THEY CERTIFIED THE COMPLETION AND WE EXECUTED A DEDICATION.

THE SITE DEAD SITUATION WAS FORWARDED TO F.I.N.D. AND THE ACTUAL TITLE EXCEPTION, THE SITE DEDICATION.

THIS ALLOWS US TO TAKE THE FIRST STEP IN CLEARING THE OBJECTION AND POSSIBLY -- POSSIBLY REMOVING SITE DEDICATION IF THE BOAT RAMP IS RELOCATED OR REMOVED WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED. WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE PROACTIVE STEPS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE NOT THE SITE PLAN.

YOU HAVE NOT APPROVED IT. SO THIS GIVES US THE ABILITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE -- WITH THE REMOVAL OF THE SITE

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DEDICATION. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, IF I CAN RESPOND. WHAT THAT ALLOWS -- IT ALLOWS FOR US TO HEAR BOTH SIDES AT THIS POINT.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE -- THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE.

OBVIOUSLY I AM HEARING THE CITIZENS TONIGHT AND THEIR CONCERNS. FOR US TO EVEN KNOW IF WE CAN EVEN POSSIBLY MOVE FORWARD IN ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, THIS -- THIS HAS TO BE SORTED OUT. SO AT THAT POINT, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY THIS THING IS GOING AND ON THE BACK ENDS OF THAT, WHATEVER SITE PLANS THAT WILL BE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PIECE OF WATER WILL HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS CITY

COMMISSION TO BE APPROVED. >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: ANY SITE PLAN, ANY DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE TO COME IN. AND AGAIN AN OPPORTUNITY REGISTER ANY CONCERNS I.E. BOAT RAMPS, ETC., WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS US TO REACT TO.

>>NICHOLS MIMMS: YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE IT GOES TO THE PLANNING PROCESS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: THE PLANNING BOARD, ALSO FPRA AND CITY

COMMISSION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOES THROUGH A LOT. I THINK THAT WE -- I AM VERY, VERY GLAD THAT EVERYBODY WAS HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I AM VERY -- I LEARNED A LOT AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

AND -- AND I WANT YOU TO FOLLOW THIS.

I WANT -- I WANT YOU TO FOLLOW THIS WITH US.

BECAUSE IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT WHAT YOU BROUGHT TO US. AND SO -- WHAT -- WHAT IS YOUR

GENTLEMEN? YOUR PLEASURE, - >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER GAINES AGAIN.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU PULLED IT --

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS. I STILL HAVE GRAVE CONCERNS HERE. ESPECIALLY LISTENING -- JUST LISTENING TO MADAM ATTORNEY. I THINK A BETTER POSITION TO PUT EVERYBODY IN WOULD BE FOR US TO -- TO ASK MADAM ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER TO TAKE YOU KNOW 30 DAYS, 15 DAYS, 20 DAYS, WHATEVER IT IS TO COME UP WITH A BETTER -- WHAT THE IS BEST SOLUTION THAT YOU SEE LEGALLY FOR US TO ATTEMPT TO -- TO GET OUT OF -- OR START NEGOTIATIONS TO TRY TO TERMINATE THIS CONTRACT.

AND THEN BRING BACK -- WITH LEGAL REPRESENTATION, BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD AND AT THAT TIME, I THINK WE WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE SHOULD DO IT AND WHERE WE SHOULD GO. SO WE, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID EARLIER IN THE MEETING, I WANTED TO PULL THIS OFF -- PULL THIS OFF TO HAVE MORE TIME TO DISCUSS.

AND THAT WILL BE MY -- THAT WILL BE MY SUGGESTION.

DON'T KNOW IF THE -- I AM NOT GOING TO LOOK OVER AT THE CITY MANAGER BECAUSE HE IS PROBABLY LOOKING AT ME RIGHT NOW.

SO -- SO IT IS JUST -- THIS IS -- THIS IS A.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO GET RIGHT.

AND IF I AM HEARING THAT IT IS ALREADY GOING TO TAKE 90 DAYS' NOTICE, RIGHT, 90 DAYS' NOTICE ONCE WE MAKE THE DECISION, WE HAVE TO GIVE THE COUNTY 90 DAYS, WHY CAN'T WE TAKE OURSELVES AND GIVE 30 DAYS OR INTO THE NEXT MEETING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING WHAT IS RIGHT. I KNOW -- I KNOW COMMISSIONER% -- YOU WILL STILL BE HERE? NO, WE WON'T BE HERE.

AND THAT -- YOU KNOW, IF COMMISSIONER-ELECT BRODERICK WAS HERE, WELCOME TO THE FIRE. BUT IT GIVES US MORE -- IT GIVES ME A BETTER FEEL ESPECIALLY WHEN I KNOW THE STATE IS INVOLVED.

ESPECIALLY WHEN THE COUNTY IS INVOLVED.

AND -- AND IF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE LISTENING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE BEST RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AS IS. SO WE KNOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM. SO I AM JUST THINKING THAT MADAM ATTORNEY, YOU PUT YOUR LEGAL HEADING TOGETHER WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND GIVE US SOME TYPE OF GUIDANCE, 30-DAY GUIDANCE AND WE COME BACK AND BRING THIS BACK UP AND GET THE WORD OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THERE IS -- IT IS BACK ON THE AGENDA AND THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE DECIDING AND HOW IT IS GOING. SO I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE PULLED THIS. AND BRING IT BACK IN FRONT OF US IN 30 DAYS. BUT THAT IS HOW I FEEL.

SO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, BUT IF -- IF -- IF IT WERE TO STAY AS IT IS NOW, I CAN LET EVERYBODY SITTING UP HERE KNOW THAT IT WILL BE A NO VOTE FOR ME AS WE SPEAK RIGHT NOW.

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SO -- BECAUSE I AM NOT -- I AM JUST NOT COMFORTABLE FROM WHAT I AM HEARING. GREAT PRESENTATION.

I GOT EVERYTHING. BUT IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, AND I DON'T CONSIDER MYSELF THE SMARTEST PERSON IN THE ROOM, I GUARANTEE YOU SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE IS SAYING, I STILL DON'T GET IT. AND MAYBE THEY GOT IT.

MAYBE IT IS JUST ME TONIGHT. THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

IF THE BOARD IS WILLING AND IF THAT IS PROPER, MADAM ATTORNEY, TO PULL IT AND GET MORE GUIDANCE.

IF NOT, I WILL DEFER TO YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR POSITION.

AND WE GO FROM THERE, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: IS PART OF WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE GET UNDERSTANDING FROM THE OTHER PARTIES.

PART OF WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, IF WE GO BACK AND TAKE -- STEP BACK FOR 30 MINUTES, THAT GIVES THE CITY MANAGER MORE TIME TO TALK TO -- TALK TO THE COUNTY. IT GIVES MADAM ATTORNEY MORE TIME TO LOOK AT THE LAW AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL OUR EYES ARE DOTTED, TS ARE CROSSED. WHEN WE COME BACK IN FRONT OF US AND WE MAKE THE VOTE, THEN WE COME BACK IN FRONT OF US, EVERYTHING WILL, READY. I MEAN, I HAVE READ EVERYTHING -- LIKE I SIDE, I TRY TO CATCH-UP FROM 17 TO 21 UNTIL TODAY, AND I HAD 1,000 QUESTIONS.

AND COMMISSIONER PERONA BROUGHT IT UP, WHICH I AM GLAD YOU DID.

I WAS TRYING TO STAY AWAY FROM THAT AND HE BROUGHT IT UP.

IN LAW WHEN YOU TERMINATE AN AGREEMENT, THERE IS ALWAYS SOME TYPE OF REPERCUSSIONS. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO PAY SOMETHING. WE NEED TO KNOW THAT BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT. IF WE GOT TO GIVE THE COUNTY 90 DAYS -- I KNOW THE DEVELOPER IF HE IS OUT THERE HE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD AND EVERYTHING NEEDS TO GO.

LET'S MOVE FORWARD RIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS WE GET IT WRONG AND CONSTRUCTION IS STOPPED.

THAT IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO.

IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR.

PUT THE BRAKES ON REAL QUICK. GIVE SUR SELVES A LITTLE TIME.

GET IT RIGHT AND WE MAKE THE VOTE AND WE GO FORWARD.

BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE -- I AM -- JEREMIAH, MY ENGINEERING BUDDY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I WOULD LIKE FOR HIM TO BE HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WE HAVE 1 THOUSAND IN QUESTIONS TONIGHT.

AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD SLOW IT DOWN FOR 30 DAYS.

PUT IT ON -- WHAT IS IT, MADAM CLERK.

>> THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER WHICH WOULD BE DECEMBER

19. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: PUT IT BACK ON DECEMBER 19 AND WE SHOULD BE READY TO GO.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION SINCE I PULLED IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MAKE THE MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE

PULL AGENDA -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: POSTPONE MAYBE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: POSTPONE CONSENT AGENDA 11-A AND MOVE IT TO THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE CITY MARE INJURY AND CITY ATTORNEY TO GO BACK -- CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO GO BACK OVER -- HOW DO I SAY

THIS, MORE INSTRUCTIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CLARITY.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: -- CLARITY WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON

AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION AND OFFER ONE FRIENDLY.

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE COUNTY TO BE A PART OF THAT.

COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TO GIVE THEIR INPUT ON THAT TOO.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THEY ARE WELCOME TO COME.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: A FIRST AND A SECOND, MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: WHEN YOU SAY COUNTY, ARE YOU TALKING OF BOCC

OR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: OF WHICH WE HAVE THE INTERLOCAL WITH.

>> WE HAVE A INTERLOCAL WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: HE CAN BRING --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE NEW COMMISSION.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: A BRAND-NEW COMMISSION.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: BUT IT IS SIGNED.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: GOING TO PUT HIM ON THE SPOT AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE HAS EVEN BRIEFED HIS PEOPLE ON THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: COMMISSIONER JOHNSON JUST SO -- I LIKE YOUR IDEA, BUT KNOWING THAT WE JUST HAD AN ELECTION, LET'S WORRY ABOUT OUR CHAMBER, AND THEN WE KNOW ONCE WE GET CLARITY, WE WILL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD AND THEN THE COUNTY CAN -- LIKE I SAID, WE STILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE COUNTY FOR 90 DAYS AND GO FROM

THERE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM

FINE WITH THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

I STILL SECOND THE MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: NO

AMENDMENT TO THAT? >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

NO AMENDMENT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU CLEAR WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON. OKAY.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

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YES, MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: YES,

MA'AM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WILL WAIT A MINUTE.

>> ARE YOU READY? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WILL

BE THE BAD GUY TONIGHT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE NOT THE

[a. Resolution 22-R44 Accepting the Returns from the November 8, 2022 General Election.]

BAD GUY. >> ARE WE READY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES. >> NEXT RESOLUTION 22-R 44.

RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF FORT PIERCE ACCEPTING THE RETURNS OF THE PRIMARY ELECTION HELD ON NOVEMBER 8, 2022 AS PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SO I WOULD LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS IS IN THE AUDIENCE. YOU ARE WELCOME TO BE HERE.

AND WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU. I SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT AT THE BEGINNING. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

YOU. YOU NEED TO COME UP TO THE MIC IF YOU ARE GOING TO TALK. I AM SORRY, MA'AM.

I DID IT TO YOU. I AM THE ONE THAT DID IT TO YOU.

I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS GERTRUDE WALKER AND YOU

ARE WELCOME. >> GERTRUDE WALKER, SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

I WILL PUT MY NAME DOWN TO BE A PART OF THE TO BE A PRESENTER.

I AM ONLY HERE IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS CONCERNING THE CERTIFICATION OF THE ELECTION. AND I THINK IT IS VERY CLEAR THAT MR. BRODERICK IS THE CLEAR WINNER OF THE ELECTION AND I AM GLAD TO WORK IN ANY CAPACITY THAT I CAN AND THANK YOU SO MUCH

FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. A MOTION?

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER PERONA: YES, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MAYOR

HUDSON, REAL QUICK. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ASK WE ASK FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE

-- I KNOW YOU CALLED MR. WALKER. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I DID NOT CALL.

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. I WAS DOING THAT BECAUSE SHE WAS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL AND I SHOULD HAVE INTRODUCED HER EARLIER PART OF THE MEETING. AND I WAS CAUGHT UP IN THE

FISHING. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I JUST

[b. Resolution 22-R45 Appointing John Heaning to the City of Fort Pierce Planning Board as Mayor Hudson's appointee.]

WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN IT DEALS WITH ELECTIONS.

>> NEXT ITEM RESOLUTION 22-R 45 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CERTIFYING AN APPOINTMENT TO THE MEMBER TO THE CITY PLANNING BOARD AND PROVIDING A EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. JOHN HANEY AS THE MAYOR'S APPOINTEE TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO REPLACE COMMISSIONER-ELECT BRODERICK WHO NOW SERVES IN THAT

ROLE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IS THERE A

MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: MOVE FOR

THE APPROVAL. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SECOND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

[14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

YES, MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER PERONA: YES,

MA'AM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM.

>> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

I KNOW MISS LIVERPOOL IS HERE. NOW IS YOUR TIME.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WHO WOULD LIKE TO COME FIRST.

WE HAVE -- YOU COME ON. COME ON, MISS LIVERPOOL.

WE KNOW YOU WANT TO TALK. [LAUGHTER]

THREE MINUTES FOR SURE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. I AM PEARL LIVERPOOL AND I LIVE IN FORT PIERCE. 3495 50.

MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, I STAND BEFORE YOU REPRESENTING THE RESIDENTS OF NORTHWEST FORT PIERCE WITH GENUINE GRATITUDE AND RESPECT FOR THE DECISION MADE ON DECEMBER 7, 2022, AS IT RELATES TO THE ERECTION OF A 5G CELL TOWER IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I STATED IN PRIOR COMMUNICATION TO YOU THAT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, MANY MUNICIPALITIES AND LAWMAKERS HAVE BEE WITH AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE FACED WITH THE CHALLENGE OF MEETING THE NEEDS OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES TO ENSURE THAT THEY