Dec 12, 2022 City Commission Conference Agenda

[1. Call to Order]

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, MONDAY DECEMBER 12. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CONFERENCE AGENDA. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, WITH LIBERTY AND J US FOR ALL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PRESENT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK:

PRESENT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: HERE

[a. Presentation by Colliers International on Sunrise Center Utilization]

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HERE MAN.

>> THE SUNRISE UTILIZATION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR, HE IS GOING TO BRIEF US ON OPPORTUNITY OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE MAY HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE FORMER COMMISSIONER BECK WHO IS IN THE CHAMBERS. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US.

>> GET YOUR NAME, AGAIN, SIR. THE SPEAKER.

>> KRESNOW. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHERE IS THE

OTHER ONE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: N NO PERONA IN THE AUDIENCE THIS MORNING? [LAUGHTER] GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, AGAIN, K KEN CRESNOW WITH COLLIERS INTERNATIONAL AND WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE SUN SUNRISE CENTER, SPECIFICALLY THE FOURTH FLOOR BUILDING RIGHT NEXT DOOR WITH THE GSA, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SO WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW DO I JUST PRESS.

TO REITERATE AND REMIND. THE FOURTH FLOOR.

CURRENTLY VACANT SPACE. APPROXIMATELY 9,000 SQUARE FEET.

YOU SEE IT IS THE SHADED AREA IN BLUE.

AND ADJACENT TO PARKING SPACES I BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE GUARDIAN AD LITEM ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

BUILDING DEPARTMENT ON THE THIRD FLOOR AND FOURTH FLOOR IS VACANT. A COLD SHELL.

OVERVIEW WE ARE GOING TO TALK HERE TODAY ABOUT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE NGSA THAT DOES THE LEASING FOR ALL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. SO THEY PUT OUT A SOLICITATION BACK IN APRIL FOR A REQUIREMENT THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE. USE FOR GENERAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE THE LEASE TURN IS 15 YEARS.

13 ARE GUARANTEED AND THEY HAVE AN OPTION FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO. AS YOU SEE THERE, BASICALLY AFTER THE 13 YEARS THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXTEND FOR THE TWO YEARS TO MAKE IT 15, AND ONE FIVE-YEAR RENEWAL OPTION THEY ARE REQUIRING WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING 21 SPACE US THAT NEED TO BE RESERVED INSIDE AND OUTSIDE. 21 SPACES TO BE RESERVED IN THE GARAGE FOR THE USE. THE AGENCY THAT WILL BE OCCUPYING THE SPACE. THE ATF, ALCOHOL AND TOBACCO FIREARMS DIVISION. NOTICE OF FULL DISCLOSURE.

THIS USE IS FOR GENERAL OFFICE SPACE, ADMINISTRATIVE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. MAY BE TIMES THEY BRING SOMEONE IN FOR QUESTIONS AND SO AND SO. BUT NOT A HOLDING FACILITY OF ANY NATURE. JUST OFFICE SPACE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE THAT DISCLOSURE JUST SO EVERYBODY IS AWARE.

WHAT YOU SEE THERE ON THE RIGHT IS A VERY PRELIMINARY OVERVIEW OF HOW THE SPACE WOULD BE OCCUPIED.

ATF WILL OCCUPY THE RED AND GREEN FOR APPROXIMATELY, AGAIN, 6,000 SQUARE FEET. AND THE YELLOW IS SPACE THAT WILL NEED TO BE CONSTRUCTED FOR REST ROOMS AND THE LIKE.

THERE ARE NO REST ROOMS CURRENTLY ON THE SPACE AND I WILL SAY. IF ANY QUESTIONS, STOP ME.

BUT WE WILL GO INTO THE FINANCIAL REQUIREMENTS WHICH WE

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THE FED -- THE WAY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LEASES ALL OF THEIR SPACE -- THIS IS A -- THIS IS A UNIFORM -- THE WAY THEY DO BUSINESS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY IS THE LANDLORD, YOU BEING -- THE CITY BEING THE LANDLORD. THE LANDLORD BUILDS OUT THEIR SPACE, SOUP TO NUTS, AND THEY PAY THAT BACK OVER THE TERM OF THE LEASE IN THEIR -- IN THEIR RENTAL SO THE INITIAL UP-FRONT OUTLAY THAT THE CITY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS APPROXIMATELY $1.3 MILLION IN UP-FRONT COST TO GET THE SPACE FULLY BUILT OUT, BATHROOMS, CARPETING, YOU NAME IT. BASICALLY A TURNKEY.

YOU DELIVER THE SPACE TO THEM. AND THEN THEY ARE OCCUPYING IT.

THE -- [COUGHING] -- EXCUSE ME.

WHAT WE HAVE DONE AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALLOWS YOU TO DO IS TO RECOUPE ALL OF THE COSTS IN THE RENTAL LEASE AGREEMENT.

SO, AS I MENTIONED ON THE TOP THERE, THE TOTAL UP-FRONT OUTLAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT $1.2 MILLION.

THE RENT THAT THE CITY WILL RECEIVE OVER THE 13 YEARS -- THAT IS GUARANTEED -- IS $3.5 MILLION.

IF THEY END UP STAYING BEYOND, OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL REPRESENT BEYOND THAT.

YOU GAT ARE RAN TEED RENT WILL HAD BEEN $3.5 MILLION.

IN ADDITION, WE HAVE ESTIMATED THAT THERE IS APPROXIMATELY $430,000 OF WORK THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RENT.

THAT WILL BE REQUIRED TO MAKE THE SPACE LITERALLY TURNKEY AND DELIVERABLE. THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL PAY FOR UPFRONT. THE CITY WILL RECEIVE $3.5 MILLION IN RENT OVER THE 13 YEARS, PLUS APPROXIMATELY $439,000 WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MOVES IN.

SO THAT IS APPROXIMATELY $4 MILLION, AGAIN, OVER THE 13 YEARS. THE TOTAL EXPENSES OVER -- AGAIN, OVER THE SAME 13-YEAR PERIOD.

THE UP-FRONT CAPITAL PLUS THE OPERATING EXPENSES, AGAIN, THAT ARE BUILT INTO THE RENT EVERY YEAR WILL BE APPROXIMATELY $2.2 MILLION. AGAIN, THAT IS OVER THE 13-YEAR PERIOD. SO THE NET INCOME TO THE CITY OVER THE 13-YEAR TERM WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY $1.8 MILLION.

AS I SAID, IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO MAKE IT A FULL 15-YEAR LEASE, COULD YOU PROBABLY ADD ANOTHER -- SLIGHTLY OVER $2 MILLION IN TERMS OF NET INCOME.

THE BUILDOUT COST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE PERSPECTIVE.

THE $51 IS THE AMOUNT STIPULATED BY THE GOVERNMENT THAT EVERY LANDLORD MUST CONTRIBUTE. AGAIN THAT IS FACTORED INTO THE RENT. BUILDING SPECIFIC AMORTIZED ALLOWANCE TO MAKE THE SPACE GOVERNMENT-READY WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $11 A SQUARE FOOT. $64,000.

AGAIN, AMORTIZED INTO THE RENT. THE $75, THE $470,000.

ESTIMATED THE $51 IS NOT ENOUGH TO GET THE SPACE FULLY BUILT UP.

WE INCLUDED THE ADDITIONAL $75, THE $439,000.

THAT IS A DIRECT REIMBURSEMENT THAT THE CITY WILL GET UP FRONT.

IT IS NOT BUILT INTO THE RENT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: CAN I

ASK A QUESTION, PLEASE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I WENT THROUGH THIS PROPOSAL AND FOUND THE BUILDOUT EXPLANATION TO BE SOMEWHAT CONVOLUTED FROM THE FACT IF THE CITY IS INVESTING $1.2 MILLION IN BUILDOUT AMORTIZED OVER THE DURATION OF THE LEASE AND OVER THE PRIMARY PORTION THE FIRST 13 YEARS, NOT THE OPTIONAL TWO YEARS.

>> CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: WHY A SEPARATE $439,000 COMPONENT THAT IS AN AUTOMATIC REIMBURSEMENT?

>> THAT IS JUST THE WAY THAT THEY -- THAT THEY HAVE THEIR LEASES STRUCTURES, $51, AGAIN, IS A STANDARD GOVERNMENT REQUIRED ALLOWANCE THAT IS AMORTIZED INTO THE RENT.

AN ADDITIONAL OVERAGEAGE, THE GOVERNMENT WILL REIMBURSE THE LANDLORD AND DON'T PUT IT IN THE RENT PUT IT OUT FRONT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THE 13 YEARS IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT IS AMORTIZED OVER. AND THE BUILDOUT, THAT QUOTED IN THE 1.8 MILLION OVER 13 YEARS AS FAR AS REVENUE TO THE CITY? IN ESSENCE, REPAYING THE CITY FOR ITS BUILDOUT.

>> CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: DEDUCT THE $1.2 MILLION FROM THE CASH FLOW BECAUSE WE ALREADY INVESTED

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>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, IF YOU CAN PULL YOUR MICROPHONE CLOSER. :

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THE NUMBER IS NET INCOME OVER 13 YEARS. NET INCOME INCLUSIVE OF RETURN

OF THE BUILDOUT COST OR NOT? >> WHY HE.

THE CITY WILL COLLECT. I WILL SHOW YOU ON THE NEXT SLIDE, THE CITY WILL COLLECT APPROXIMATELY $3.5 MILLION IN

RENT OVER THE 13 YEARS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK:

CORRECT. >> THE CITY IS SPENDING OVER THAT SAME 13-YEAR PERIOD $2.2 MILLION.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: RIGHT. >> OF $1.2 MILLION UP FRONT IN CAPITAL AND OPERATING EXPENSES, YOU NKNOW CLEANING, ETC., THAT WILL GET PAID BACK. SO THAT IS $2.2 MILLION.

AND THE $439 IS RECOUPED UP FRONT.

3.5 OVER THE TERM PLUS 439 UP FRONT IS --

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THE CORRECT COST OF THE CITY REIMBURSING FOR. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR AN INCOME STREAM IN THE ENTIRE LEASE SCENARIO.

>> I INCLUDED IT AS AN EXPENSE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET AT, WHAT IS THE TRUE NOI THAT THE CITY WILL GENERATE OVER THE TERM OF THIS LEASE DEDUCTING OUT THE 439 FOR BUILDOUT COST, DELAWARE DUCTING THE 1.3 FOR BUILDOUT.

THOSE NUMBERS ARE IRRELEVANT. WE ARE RECAPTURING MONEY THAT THE CITY HAS SPENT. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE NOI SPECIFICALLY OVER THE TERM OF THE 13 YEARS ARE GUARANTEED.

THAT IS THE NUMBER OF A CONCERN TO ME.

WHEN WE GET INTO THE RENT STRUCTURE -- KIND OF A SEPARATE SUBJECT, BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE LOOK AT THIS -- THIS IS GROSS LEASE, I AM ASSUMING, NO ESCALATIONS?

>> NO ESCALATIONS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: NO ESCALATIONS OVER 13 YEARS, POTENTIALLY 15 YEARS.

BASE RENT REMAINS FIXED FOR 15 YEARS.

THE COST PASS OPINION THROUGHS REMAIN FIXED.

AN ACCURATE STATEMENT? >> NO, WE ESCALATED THE COST AND INCLUDED THAT IN THE REIMBURSEMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THE OPERATING COST OF THE BUILDING.

SO IF WE HAVE AN ESCALATION IN THE CAM COST BUT NONE IN THE

BASE RENT, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

THE WAY THE LEASES ARE STRUCTURED.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I AM GETTING IT STRAIGHT.

AND I WILL HAVE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS. BECAUSE I THINK YOU SEE WHERE MY CONCERN IS THAT WE ARE ENTERING INTO A 15-YEAR AGREEMENT WITH A FIXED BASE RENT WITH NO ESCALATION IN A MARKET THAT IS CURRENTLY GENERATING A CPI OF 8%.

WE WILL GET TO THAT MORE MOMENTARILY IF THAT IS OKAY.

>> SURE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MAKE SURE WE ARE DIVING IN -- SPECIFICALLY MY CONCERN IS WHAT

IS THE BASE RENT VALUE. >> NEXT SLIDE --

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THE BUILDOUT IS IRRELEVANT.

IF IT IS A DOLLAR TO DOLLAR REIMBU REIMBURSEMENT. IT IS JUST A REIMBURSEMENT, NOT RENT. IF WE CAN GET TO THAT PORTION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE PUT OUT AND NOW WE ARE GETTING BACK.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I WANT TO KNOW ON TOP OF THE BUILDOUT AND BASE RENT. MY CONCERN IS 15 YEARS OUT WITH NO RENT ESCALATION, THAT WE ARE OPERATING IN BUILDING POTENTIALLY NEGATIVELY. SO LET'S -- PLEASE CONTINUE.

YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I AM GOING WITH THIS.

>> I DO. IT'S -- SO THE -- AS YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS A -- A BREAKDOWN OF THE -- OF THE ROUGHLY $270,000 IN RENT THAT THE CITY WILL BE RECEIVING EACH YEAR.

THE SHELL RENT, AS YOU SEE HERE, WHICH IS THE -- ROUGHLY $32.50.

THE OPERATING COST WHICH ARE THE -- YOU KNOW, THE CAM, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. AND THE TENANT IMPROVEMENT WHICH IS OVER AND ABOVE THE -- OVER AND ABOVE THE RENT.

AND I MENTIONED THE LITTLE SECURITY -- THE 64,000, YOU KNOW, $64,000. SO THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT $439,000 OF ADDITIONAL, YOU KNOW, OF ADDITIONAL RENT THAT WILL GET LAID OUT UP-FRONT AND PAID BACK UP-FRONT.

THE $270,000 THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE COLLECTING EACH AND EVERY YEAR. OVER THE 13 YEARS.

IF THEY EXTENDED FOR THE ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS, YOU WOULD STILL RECEIVE THE SAME $270,000, BUT THE WORK IS ONLY AMORTIZED

OVER THE 13 YEARS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: 13-YEAR AMORTIZATION SCHEDULE IS INCLOO YOU SIEVE IN THIS $218,000 NUMBER -- SORRY, I TOOK MY GLASSES OFF.

>> 270. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: AND THEN -- I AM SORRY, I JUST NEED TO GET THIS CLEAR IN MY HEAD.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS FINE. WE ARE ALL LEARNING SOMETHING.

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>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: LEASE TRANSACTIONS.

I WANT TO GET A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.

>> LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY, IF WE DID A STRAIGHT MARKET RENT FOR THE -- YOU KNOW, FOR THE BUILDING WITH A NORMAL TENANT.

FORGET -- NORMAL TENANT GOES IN. A PRIVATE SECTOR TENANT LEASES THE SPACE FOR -- LET'S PICK A NUMBER.

$20 A SQUARE FOOT. SO THAT'S -- THAT IS $180,000 A YEAR OVER, YOU KNOW -- YOU ARE GOING TO LAY OUT THE SPACES RAW.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM 50, 60, 70 DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT TO BUILD OUT THAT SPACE SO THAT IS ANOTHER -- 500 ODD SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS. THIS IS THE EQUIVALENT -- THIS IS A BITTER DEAL THAN THE EQUIVALENT OF A STRAIGHT-UP MARKET RENT WITH THE ESCALATION S THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE ARE -- WE ARE -- WE ARE RECOUPING ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE TO LAY OUT FOR A PRIVATE SECTOR TENANT BECAUSE A PRIVATE SECTOR TENANT WILL EXPECT A CONTRIBUTION TO GET THE SPACE, A BUILDABLE-READY SPACE.

WE AR RECOUPING THAT IN ALL OF THE -- IN ALL OF THE 270,000 A YEAR RENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE GETTING OVER THE --

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: TWO COMPNENTS.

BASE RENT, 218 AND 50,000 APPROXIMATELY IN OPERATIONAL COST THAT ARE COMING BACK TO THE CITY.

IN THE OPERATIONAL COSTS, I KNOW IT IS NOT TRULY A TRIPLE NET DEPOSIT EVER DEFINITION BECAUSE THE CITY OPERATES IN A RELATIVELY TAX-FREE ENVIRONMENT APPROXIMATELY WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN ON THE LINE ITEM. MAINTENANCE.

>> MAINTENANCE, CLEANING. INSURANCE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: INSURANCE AND, ETC.

>> DOES NOT INCLUDE TAXES. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THOSE

NUMBERS WERE GENERATED WHERE? >> WE GOT AN ESTIMATE AND GO THE SOME NUMBERS -- A WEIRD KIND OF BUILDING --

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: UNUSUAL BECAUSE NOT A TRIPLE NET

LEASE. >> THERE ARE SOME EXPENSE THAT ARE EMBEDDED IN THE OPERATING OF BUILDING.

WE USED APPROXIMATELY $8.50, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, NUMBER, WHICH

IS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, PRETTY. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: WHAT IS THE ESCALATION PROVISION ON THAT?

HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> I WILL DOUBLE CHECK.

3% A YEAR. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: A 3%

CAP. >> RIGHT.

I WILL GET THAT BREAKDOWN FOR YOU.

SORRY, I DON'T A HAVE THAT 234 FRO

FRONT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, THE COMMON AREA OF MAINTENANCE, ALL THOSE FIGURES IN ADDITION TO HOUSEKEEPING TYPE OF ACTIVITIES, CUSTODIAL, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. HOW ABOUT SECURITY? BECAUSE I DEALT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON MANY PROJECTS AND ITS COMPLICATED. WHAT ARE REREQUIRING HERE?

>> THEY ARE NOT REQUIRING -- AGAIN, THERE IS A -- YOU SEE HERE A -- WHAT THEY CALL A THE BUILDING SPECIFIC AMORTIZED CAPITAL. SO THEY HAVE A $65,000 ALLOWANCE, AGAIN, THAT IS AMORTIZED BACK INTO THE RENT TO ALLOW FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SECURITY PROVISIONS THAT MIGHT BE BUILT INTO THE SPACE. CARD READER.

YOU KNOW, LOCKING OFF THE ELEVATOR.

SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES TO BE DETERMINED.

BUT THERE IS -- THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL UNIQUE REQUIREMENTS SO THEY ARE PAYING

FOR THAT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THEY ARE. SO ARE THEY REQUIRING THE CITY TO DO ANYTHING TO ENHANCE SECURITY PARAMETERS WITHIN THE

STAIRWELLS, ELEVATORS? >> NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING TO THE BUILDING. ONE OTHER -- ONE OTHER POINT I WILL MAKE ARE. WE AMORTIZED AS YOU -- AS I NOTED THE $50 A SQUARE FOOT IN WHAT THEY CALL, YOU KNOW, SHELL COST, TO GET THE SPACE READY TO BE OCCUPIED.

THAT IS THE BUILDING OF THE BATHROOMS. THAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, BRINGING -- NOW AIR CONDITIONING IS ALSO BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR. POWER IS ALREADY BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR. SO, YOU KNOW, IF, IN FACT, WE ARE ABLE TO -- TO GET THE SPACE IN -- IN DECENT READY SPACE -- CONDITION. LESS THAN THAT.

OBVIOUSLY WE BENEFIT FROM THAT AS WELL.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: IF IT'S MORE?

>> IF IT IS MORE, WE ARE RESPONSIBLE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: DO WE HAVE ANY ESTIMATES?

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY -- YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO GET SOME DIRECTION TODAY BEFORE WE, YOU KNOW, STARTED ENGAGING IN A CONTRACTORS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

WE BUILT OUT ENOUGH SPACE TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, BUILDING

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TO BRING AIR CONDITIONING, POWER AND ELECTRICITY TO THE SPACE.

ALL OF THAT IS ALREADY THERE YOU HAVE TO RUN THE DUCTWORK AND DROP A CEILING, BUT A LOT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE COST HAS ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MARE, 100% ON THAT? THE LAST TIME I VISITED THE SPACE THREE OR FOUR YEARS, I

DON'T RECALL IT BEING THERE. >> THERE IS AIR CONDITIONING.

THE MAIN DUCT IS THERE. POWER IS THERE.

THERE ARE LIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: CONDENSING UNITS ON THE ROOF? WHERE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE ROOF COMING THROUGH T THE PLENUMS. ACTIVITY, FRESH AIR, MAKE-UP. ELECTRICAL SERVICES.

EVERY TENANT. GUARDIAN AD LITEM.

BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAD TO BUILD OUT THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> THAT STUFF IS THERE. MR. MIMMS, I DON'T KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: EXPENSIVE.

IT IS -- THAT'S OKAY. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD MONDAY MORNING I DON'T RECALL WHAT IS THERE.

I KNOW THE BUILDING NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY BUILT OUT FOR THE INTERIOR. THE COST FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS ROUGHLY BETWEEN $800,000 TO $90,000.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: $90 A SQUARE FOOT.

>> RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT IS -- BRINGING UP THE SQUARE FOOT PRICE BECAUSE GUA GUARDIAN AD LITEM WAS IN THE $57 TO $80 SQUARE FOOT.

BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS NEXT IN LINE WITH $80 TO -- TO $95 A

SQUARE VOTE. >> THIS NUMBER IF YOU BREAK IT DOWN IN SIMPLISTIC IS $125. THAT IS BUILT INTO THE RENT, SOME OF WHICH GETS PAID UP FRONT.

SOME OF IT IS BUILT INTO RENT. $50.

BATHROOMS, ELECTRICITY, SO ON AND SO FORTH BUILT INTO THE REN.

THE ADDITIONAL $# 5 TO GET THEM ACTUALLY IN.

TOTAL OF 125 IT PAID PACK TO THE CITY.

SOME OF IT OVER THE TERM OF THE LEASE.

SOME OF IT UP FRONT. $15 -- $125 SHOULD GET YOU A

TURNKEY SPACE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: OTHER REQUIREMENTS GOING BACK TO SECURITY ELEMENTS WITH THE CUSTOMS AND BORDER PATROL AT THE AIRPORT.

A CRAZY AMOUNT OF DESIGN PARAMETERS THAT HAD TO CHANGE.

WALLS AND DRYWALL AND BUILDOUT OF OFFICE SPACES.

>> THIS IS GENERAL ADMITTED OFFICE SPACE AGAIN, THEY INCLUDED A $65,000 AGAIN FOR SOME ANCILLARY SECURITY ENHANCEMENTS LIKE MAYBE A CARD READER AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT NOTHING SPECIAL AND NOTHING OVER THE TOP.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: USUALLY ROOMS EXPANDED OF THE DRYWALL AND THOSE ROOMS ALONE ARE $50,000 TO $75,000 FOR THE I.T. ROOM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING -- IF WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE DESIGN BOOK YET, WE NEED TO GET A HOLD OF THE DESIGN BOOK AND START TALKING OF THAT

NUMBER. >> I WILL GO THROUGH AND WE WILL MAKE SURE. B BUT, AGAIN, THE LAYOUT WAS A GENERAL OFFICE, YOU KNOW, USE.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR. HANG TIGHT FOR A SECOND.

THE PURPOSE OF TODAY IS TO DISCUSS THE CONCEPT.

WE ARE NOT SIGNING A LEASE TODAY.

WE DO NOT HAVE ALL OF THE SPECIFIC TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS TODAY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCEPT. WE WANT TO KNOW IF THIS CONCEPT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PURSUE.

THAT'S IT. WE WILL GET MORE SPECIFIC AND TECHNICAL WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND THE PROSPECTIVE TENANT AS THIS IDEA RECEIVES POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

THIS IS ALL ABOUT A CONCEPTUAL FEELING RIGHT NOW.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU, MR. MEMORIALS, FOR THAT.

BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING A LITTLE TOO DEEP, I THOUGHT.

THE CONCEPT I HAVE A CONCERN IT AND YOU MENTIONED IT EARLIER WAS PARKING. OKAY.

IF THEY ARE REQUIRING 21 SPACES FOR PARKING.

>> CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO FAR DETAIL OF THE WHOLE OPERATIONS OF ATF. YOU KNOW, I HAVE MY PERCEPTION WHAT THAT IS. ARE THOSE REQUIRED SPACES -- DO WE HAVE -- TAKE-HOME VEHICLES OR PERSONAL VEHICLES OR VEHICLES AND ASSETS THAT WILL BE STORED HERE AS A RESULT OF THEM STAYING HERE WHICH WILL MAYBE CAUSE AN OPERATIONAL COST FOR SECURED

AREA FOR ATF EQUIPMENT? >> I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER FOR

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THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT IS A CONCEP I AM CONCERNED ABOUT.

BECAUSE 21 NOW MULTIPLIES. IF THEY HAVE ASSETS THEY USE FOR THEIR JOB. COMPANY VEHICLES AND THEY DRIVE THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLE HERE. THEN A CONCERN OF MINE IS PARKING. A CONCERN OF PARKING.

40-SOME CARS, RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION

ON THAT. >> GOT IT.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: AS WELL AS THE -- I KIND OF KNOW WHAT THEY DO, BUT WOULD THEY BE STORING HARD ASSET EQUIPMENT HERE, WHICH, TO ME, BRINGS ABOUT A SECURITY CONCERN THAT I WOULD HAVE ON THE, SAY, SECURITY OF THE EQUIPMENT STORED, IE VEHICLES, BALLISTIC VEHICLES, THAT KINDS OF STUFF, BECAUSE IN MY MIND WHEN I READ THIS, MY CONCERN WAS FOURTH FLOOR -- HALF OF THAT FOURTH-FLOOR PARKING GETS ELIMINATED RIGHT NOW.

WHAT DO WE DO FOR NEW YEAR'S EVE AND BIG CELEBRATIONS DOWNTOWN IN FORT PIERCE WHICH PARKING IS OF A HIGH NECESSITY AT THOSE HIGH TIMES. SO THAT'S WHERE I AM GOING CONCEPTUALLY. JUST MY CONCERN WHEN I FIRST READ THIS ABOUT PARKING SPECI

SPECIFICALLY. >> OVER ABOVE NORM AND OFFICE

USAGE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE SECURITY PART COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ASKED THAT QUESTION AND I HAVE CONCERNS TOO. I ASKED MR. MIMMS INITIALLY HOW WOULD THEY FORTIFY AND REQUIRE CERTAIN THINGS, ETC., ETC., I AM SURE THEY DO. WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE NOW WITH CERTAIN THINGS, BUT ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT JUMPED OUT TO ME WAS PARKING. AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH TRAFFIC THEY WOULD BRING IN FROM MAYBE VISITING BUREAUS OR VISITING DELEGATIONS. WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE TO MAYBE UNDERSTAND HOW THEIR FOOTPRINT OPERATES WHEN IT COMES TO THIS.

I KNOW YOU SAID EARLIER THEY MA MAY BRING IN AN OCCASIONAL PEOPLE TO INTERVIEW. THEY DO COLLABORATION MEETINGS.

WILL THAT HAPPEN HERE. OTHER AGENCIES FROM THE SURROUNDING AREA COME TO MEET WITH THEM ON THIS CAMPUS AND HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? THOSE ARE THINGS I THINK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO PRACTICAL USE OF BRINGING ON A TENANT BECAUSE THOSE ARE GROWING PAINS AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE

UP-FRONT. >> OKAY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE MORE TO ADD?

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: WELL, YEAH.

SO JUST TO REITERATE KIND OF WHAT MR. MIMMS WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO WHERE WE ARE NOW IS THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO REQUEST ANOTHER OFFER FROM THE CITY.

AND WE -- WHEN I SAY "OFFER" OUR EXPRESSION OF INTEREST WAS JUST TO KIND OF STAY IN THE GAME, SO TO SPEAK THEY ARE MAKING A DECISION VERY QUICKLY. THEY PROVIDED US WITH THE LEASE.

WE PROVIDED IT TO MR. MIMMS AND THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND WE ARE REQUESTING WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE GOVERNMENT WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WILL GET SOME RESOLUTION TO TODAY, THAT WE ALSO GO BACK WITH THE LEASE COMMENTS.

BECAUSE EFFECTIVELY WE GO BACK TO THEM ONCE AND THEY COME BACK TO US AND SAY YOU HAVE WON. HERE IS THE LEASE AND SIGN IT.

THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE. AGAIN, ALSO, TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, WHEN THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DOING ALL OF THE BUILDOUT, ALSO INCLUDED IN THOSE NUMBERS IS THE COST TO RETAIN, THAT THE CITY WILL RETAIN AN ARCHITECT AND PROJECT MANAGER TO OVERSEA THAT BUILDOUT SO IT WOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, SOLELY RELIANT ON STAFF TO OVERSEA THAT SO THOSE FEES ARE BUILT THAT THE $125 A SQUARE FOOT EFFECTIVELY OR MAYBE $130 SQUARE FOOT IF YOU ADD THE SECURITY.

THERE ARE BUILT-IN SERVICES TO OVERSEE THE BUILDOUT IF YOU WERE

TO GO FORWARD. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION. $125 PER SQUARE FOOT IS BASED ON -- WELL, IT IS BACK. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS, BUT THIS HAS A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE OVERALL COST STRUCTURE. ARE WE DEALING WITH A NET USABLE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT INCLUDES COMMON

ELEMENT? >> WE ARE DEALING -- THAT IS

BASED ON 6,000 SQUARE FEET. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: USABLE

NUMBER OR GROSS RENTABLE. >> GROSS RENTABLE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: IS THAT COMMON AREA 15%?

>> GIVE OR TAKE, YEAH. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: ALMOST LIKE MYSTERY MONEY. USING A COMMON AREA FACTOR AND CHARGING $125 A SQUARE FOOT FOR THAT AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH A NET

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IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: APPEARS IT ME THAT THE BASE RENT THAT THE CITY WILL BE GENERATING IS APPROXIMATELY $24 PER SQUARE F FOOT, GIVE OR TAKE?

>> GIVE OR TAKE BROD FWROD JUST SO -- JUST SO I UNDER STAND WHO ALL THE PLAYERS ARE HERE. GSA THAT IS DOING A SOLICITATION

FOR THE SPACE. >> CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I AM BRAND-NEW.

YOU GOT TO EXCUSE ME. I'M -- COLLIER'S.

WHAT IS COLLIER'S POSITION IN THIS.

WHO IS COLLIER'S REPRESENTING IN THE TRANSACTION.

>> THE CITY. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK:GSA IS

REPRESENTING THEMSELVES. >> THEY HAVE A BROKER TOO.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: ANOTHER BROKERAGE FIRM.

>> INCLUDED IN THE COST. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: BETWEEN THE TWO AGENCIES. NO THIRD PARTY COMING IN ASKING FOR THE IS IT I TO MAKE PAYMENTS?

>> NO. ALL THE EXPENSES ARCHITECT, PROJECT MANAGERS, BROKERS, A YOU WILL IN THAT -- CALL IT THE 1.2

THAT I LAID OUT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: $24 A SQUARE FOOT IS WHAT THE CITY IS GENERATING AND EXPENSES PASSED ON IN TODAY'S REAL DOLLARS. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTIONINGS.

I THINK WE KNOW THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO DIRECT INTERNALLY SO

THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I TRIED TO SIT QUIET, I DON'T -- I TRIED TO.

I AM LIKE CITY MANAGER MIMMS, MAYBE IT IS JUST EARLY IN THE MORNING ON A MONDAY MORNING. BUT MY QUESTION TO THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY FIRST, HAVE WE HAVE ANY OTHER REQUESTS FOR TEN T TENACY FOR FOURTH FLOOR.

I HEARD MY COLLEAGUE JEREMIAH JOHNSON SAYING HE HAVEN'T BEEN THERE FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS AND NOTHING BEEN THERE.

OUR FIRST QUESTION IS, HAVE WE HAD ANY OTHER, YOU KNOW REQUEST TO BUILD OUT THIS FIRST FLOOR MIMMS MIMMS ...

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: INFORMALLY YES, FORMALLY NO.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: INTEREST IN THE FOURTH FLOOR.

NEXT THING I WANT TO ASK LOOKING AT NEXT STEP NUMBER 5, ARCHITECTS, PROJECT MANAGERS AND CONTRACTORS.

IS THERE A SPECIFIC GROUP OF CONTRACTORS THAT CAN ONLY BUILD THIS SPACE OUT? OR WILL THIS WORK BE ABLE TO SOMEONE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND FORT PIERCE TO COME IN AND BUILD

THIS OUT. >> SOLELY AT THE CITY'S DISCRETION. AS LONG AS -- THEIR PERSPECTIVE IS, YOU GET IT DONE. HOWEVER YOU -- HOWEVER YOU HIRE TO BUILD IT, TO OVERSEE IT YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO HIRE ANYBODY,

BUT YOUR DISCRETION. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: OPPORTUNITY FOR A CONTRACTOR HERE IN FORT PIERCE TO -- IF WE GO WITH THIS TO, I GUESS, YOU ARE GOING TO PUT IT OUT FOR BID? HOWEVER THEY DO IT, THEY HAVE A CHANCE TOO BUILD THIS OUT.

ALL RIGHT. AS FAR AS -- AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND ALL OTHER STUFF, UPKEEP AND ALL THAT, IS THAT PLACED ON CITY EMPLOYEES TO COME IN AND DO THAT TYPE OF WORK.

THAT'S WHERE I AM TRYING TO GO. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS THIS MORNING EITHER. AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT I AM JUST TRYING TO SEE HOW THE CITY CAN GENERATE MONEY AND WHAT THAT GENERATION IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE YOU ARE ASKING US TO PUT OUT -- WRITE A BIG CHECK OVER 13 YEARS.

I GET IT -- OVER 15 YEARS. WHAT I AM ALSO TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT, THE RENT COMING IN, THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT CAN BENEFIT FROM THIS PROJECT? THAT'S WHAT I AM LOOKING AT.

>> SURE, THINK OF A LOCAL ARCHITECT.

THINK OF A LOCAL CONTRACTOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAD THE EXACT NUMBER IS, BUT THERE WILL BE 30 PEOPLE IN AND OUT OF THAT SPACE EVERY DAY SHOPPING, EATING. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, TALKED ABOUT MEETINGS -- OR SOMEBODY MENTIONED MEETINGS THEY WILL BE HAVING. A SPACE ACTIVATED WITH PEOPLE THAT WILL IN THE DOWNTOWN EVERY SINGLE DAY.

SOME VISITORS. ETC. A SPACE THAT IS CURRENTLY COSTING THE CITY MONEY. AND PAYING THEIR ELECTRIC AND SOME EXPENSES YOU ARE CURRENTLY PAYING FOR THAT SPACE AS WE SIT

HERE TODAY. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: LAST

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21 SPACES OF ATF VEHICLES. THERE IS NO WAY AS I CAN SIT HERE I CAN IMAGINE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC TO THE FOURTH FLOOR WITH THE VEHICLES SITTING THERE WITH 21 SPACES ESPECIALLY IF IT IS OVERNIGHT. SO I CAN'T BELIEVE THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF SECURITY OR SOMETHING THERE.

WE ARE BASICALLY -- AND THAT'S JUST HOW I READ IT.

# 1 SPACE ON THAT FOURTH FLOOR? WE ARE KIND OF GIVING UP THAT FOURTH FLOOR, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE THESE TYPE OF VEHICLES AND THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT AND INVOLVED IN THOSE VEHICLES SITTING UP THERE AND EVERYBODY ELSE CAN PARK.

MAYBE I AM WRONG. MAYBE OTHER AREAS I CAN GO AND PARK BY ATF VEHICLE, BUT I HAVE NEVER DONE IT.

AT LEAST A YEAR. AND I HEAR THE 21.

THE 21 SPACES. I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THAT, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON BRINGING THE PERSONAL CARS.

IT IS REALLY 40. I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT.

MOST HAVE THEIR VEHICLES TO TAKE HOME WITH WHICH IS GREAT AND THEY CAN BE WORRIED ABOUT SECURITY.

BUT I AM JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE ARE BASICALLY -- THERE HAS TO BE -- I CANNOT SEE WHERE THEY STORE THEIR CARS ON THAT FOURTH FLOOR AND THE PUBLIC HAVE ACCESS TO THAT FOURTH FLOOR. I JUST -- I -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. ARE WE READY TO GIVE UP THE WHOLE FOURTH FLOOR PARKING AND YOU WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF CODE OR SOMETHING TO GET THERE. YOU JUST CAN'T DRIVE UP THERE.

MAYBE I AM WRONG. >> NO.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YOU DON'T THINK SO?

>> I WILL GET MORE DETAIL ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY BUT THE WAY THIS WAS STRUCTURED IS THE WAY THE TYPICAL OFFICE TENANT WILL REQUIRE PARKING SPACES FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES.

IN THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT THEY WOULD NEED.

AND WHETHER IT IS A LAW FIRM, BANK.

A LOT OF THEM WOULD ASK FOR RESERVE SPACES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. THE WAY IT WAS PORTRAYED IS SORT OF A SPECIFIC OR A GENERAL REQUEST FOR USE OF -- FOR PARKING AS YOU WOULD A NORMAL, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, OFFICE TENANT.

I WILL FIND OUT SOME OF THE UNIQUENESS OF THE WAY THIS AGENCY FREIGHTS, WHETHER IT IS ADDITIONAL VEHICLES OR OVERNIGHT OR SO ON AND SO FORTH INITIAL REQUEST, A BANK OR LAW FIRM ARE YOU WE NEED CERTAIN NUMBER OF SPACES AND WE WOULDN'T THEM

RESERVED. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: OKAY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU BRING UP GOOD POINTS.

465 PLUS OR MINUS SPACES, 90 SPACES PER FLOOR.

WE ARE TALKING OF 21. I IMAGINE IT IS IT GOING TO BE COMMUTER-TYPE VEHICLES AND COMING AND GOING AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. IN THE COUNTY'S PARKING GARAGE BY THE COURT HOUSE, THE JUDGES HAVE A SECURED AREA AND THEN THE GAS HAVE 14 RESERVE SPACES ON THE CONCERN FLOOR.

THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS SOME RESERVED SPACES IN THAT GA GARAGE.

THAT GARAGE IS 187 OR SOMETHING SPACES.

POINT BEING IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT OUR OWN CITY VEHICLES BECAUSE OUR OWN CITY VEHICLES TAKE UP A NUMBER OF SPACES WITHIN THIS PARKING GA GARAGE.

WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, TENANT SPACES AND RESERVED. THAT'S ALL I AM ASKING.

THIS PROJECT PULSE ON MY HEARTSTRINGS IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. SIX YEARS I HAVE BEEN HERE I WANTED TO OCCUPY THOSE SPACES. GOING INTO THE HISTORY OF THIS BUILDING BEING BUILT IN '05, '06 AND 5E 07 MANAGED BY OUR CRA AT THE TIME DESIGN-BUILD, 33,000 SQUARE FEET OF RETAIL SPACE IN THIS BUILDING. WE ALWAYS SAID, WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? I HEARD FORMER COMMISSIONERS SAY, WHAT DO WE DO WITH IT? I AM TUGGED IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. MY PERSONAL COMMITMENT TO FILL THE SPACE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS THE RIGHT OPPORTUNITY. WHEN WE STARTED TALKING OF FILLING THE SPACES WHICH WE HAVE DONE AN OKAY JOB, TWO OUT OF FOUR. STORAGE SPACES BUT FOUR IN RETAIL SPACES. TWO OUT OF FOUR GOVERNMENT APPLICATIONS WHETHER A NONPROFIT OR OUR OWN GOVERNMENT FACILITY AND IS THIS THE RIGHT SPOT AND THE RIGHT TIME?

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IF IT IS NOT TODAY, THEN WHEN. WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR 17, 18 YEARS NOW. SO NOW WHAT IF NOT NOW, THEN WHEN. IF NOT THIS GROUP, THEN WHO.

THAT IS WHERE I AM AT THIS POINT.

IT IS GOOD CONVERSATION TO MOVE FORWARD.

I WANTON BRING UP THE IDEAS OF THE ONES I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE DESIGN PARAMETERS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE ELEMENTS DEALING WITH THE ARCHITECT MORE THAN THE CONTRACTOR THAT THEY DON'T GET THEIR DESIGN MANUAL AND SAYS "YOU SHALL" IT SAYS YOU SHALL. YOU WILL BUILD IT THIS WAY AND IT HE SIGN IT THIS WAY AND YOUR $50 OR $75 GOES TO $120.

AND THEN YOU ADD ON THE OTHER ITEMS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COVERED IN THAT PERSPECTIVE.

IT'S -- IT IS A NICE PARTNERSHIP AND A NICE GUARANTEE.

A FEW ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH, BUT, AGAIN, I AM BEING TUGGED IN TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS ON A PERSONAL LEVEL BECAUSE I WANT TO FILL THE SPACE AND GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE THE SAME TIME. IF IT IS NOT THESE GUYS, THEN WHO IS IT. THIS IS A GREAT SPACE.

AND THERE IS A LOT OF PARKING. WE CAN HAVE MORE PARKING CONVERSATION AT SOME POINT BUT I BELIEVE IT IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO EXPLORE AS OF TO

TODAY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SPEAKING OF WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT A BEAUTIFUL

VIEW IT IS THERE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: VERY

NICE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING SOME KIND OF AN EVENT CENTER, BUT I THINK THAT HAVING A TENANT ON THAT THAT FLOOR, I WONDER WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT KIND OF IMPACT GUARDIAN AD LITER,M ALREADY HAD. I AM TRYING TO THINK IF WE HAD A TENANT AND THEY ARE THERE. I THINK THE GARAGE IS SLIGHTLY MORE OCCUPIED BUT I AM NOT SURE I REALLY NOTICE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN THE GARAGE FROM HAVING GUARDIAN AD LITEM THERE.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ATF SOUGHT US OUT.

WANTED TO MOVE HERE. OR WANTED TO MOVE FROM WHERE THEY ARE WHICH IS SOMEWHERE IN PORT ST. LUCIE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF -- IF THEY OUTGREW THEIR SPACE OR IF IT IS MORE STRATEGIC TO BE HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR REASONING WAS, BUT ARE THEY AN AGENCY THAT IS -- THAT MOVES EVERY 20 YEARS? I DON'T KNOW.

WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THEY WOULD BE HERE FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME AND THEN WANT EVEN BIGGER SPACE? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR HISTORY IS.

I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW THAT.

BECAUSE I CAN EASILY SEE THEM POSSIBLY OUTGROWING THEIR SPACE.

BECAUSE I HOPE NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE BUSINESS, BUT MAYBE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE MORE AGENTS OR WHATEVER.

>> I THINK THEY -- WE WORKED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IN A LOT OF SITUATIONS AND THEY ARE PRETTY METICULOUS IN TERMS OF PROJECTING THEIR NEEDS TO FIT WITH THE TERM OF THE LEASE.

SO, AGAIN, NO -- NO GUARANTEES IN LIFE EXCEPT THEY WILL BE HERE FOR 13 YEARS. PAYING RENT FOR 13 YEARS.

BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE FORECASTING THAT TIES IN WITH THEIR -- THEY ARE GENERALLY MOVING WHEN LEASES ROLL OR BUILDINGS OR LOCATIONS ARE NO LONGER SUITABLE, NOT SO MUCH YOU KNOW, THAT THE GOVERNMENT DOUBLES IN SIZE AND THEY NEED MORE SPACE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF A LEASEE OR PARTNERSHIP HAVING A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OFFICE IN OUR BUILDING MEANS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS IMPLICATIONS BEYOND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS REQUIREMENTS THAT, I DON'T KNOW, THAT -- I CAN'T EVEN THINK OF REQUIREMENTS. BUT THEY MIGHT BE REQUIREMENTS BEYOND WHAT A CITY GOVERNMENT USUALLY DEALS WITH.

THAT SOMETHING THAT WILL AFFECT -- YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE SOME KIND OF FEDERAL REQUIREMENT. AND I -- I THINK -- I WOULD NEED TO KNOW THAT. SO THAT -- IF ALL OF A SUDDEN MR. MIMMS IS TOLD, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A FACILITY IN HERE THAT IS A FEDERAL AGENCY.

AND NOW YOU ARE REQUIRED TO DO X.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW SOME -- >> WE HAVE THE LEASE THAT I BELIEVE YOU ALREADY STARTED TO REVIEW, SO ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THEY HAVE, WHAT THEY NEED.

WHAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO. THEY ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE

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SO THERE WON'T BE ANY SURPRISES. AND, AGAIN, JUST FROM EXPERIENCE, WE HAVE MANY BUILDINGS WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS ONE OF MULTIPLE TENANTS WITHIN A PRIVATELY OWNED BUILDING. WITHIN -- YOU KNOW, THEY -- OTHER THAN SPECIFIC LEASE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT, THEY ARE SORT OF A NORMAL TENANT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YEAH, RIGHT. I AM KIND OF WITH -- WE HAVEN'T HAD A SERIOUS INQUIRY ON THIS PROPERTY UNTIL NOW -- ON THIS SITE. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN -- IN MOVING AHEAD MYSELF TO SEE WHAT -- WHAT THE SPECIFICS ARE.

WE WOULD HAVE A CHANCE AT SOME POINT TO VOTE UP OR DOWN.

>> CORRECT. THE LEASE WILL BE BROUGHT -- THE LEASE WOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND

APPROVAL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

SO -- >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: COUPLE OTHER QUICK QUESTIONS. ONE ON THE PARKING MATTER.

ANY COMMERCIAL LEASE OF THI NATURE IS GOING TO REQUIRE DEDICATED PARKING. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

I AGREE THAT THAT IS A BASELINE REQUIREMENT THAT ANY TENANT COMING IN TO TAKE THIS SPACE IS GOING TO MANDATE TO THE CITY; HOWEVER, I DO SHARE YOUR CONCERNS, WHAT ARE THEY PARKING.

MINI TANKS OR SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE? I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THAT NEEDS -- THE QUESTION NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED. SECONDLY AND MORE IMPORTANT, THOUGH, I REALLY KIND OF BREEZED THROUGH QUICKLY THE FINANCIAL APPARATUS OF THIS TRANSACTION. AND I AM GOING TO JUST IDENTIFY SPECIFICALLY WHAT MY PRIMARY CONCERN IS HERE.

AND POSSIBLY THE CITY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT CAN HELP DO AN ANALYSIS ON THIS. THE BASE RENT COMPONENT.

THE COMPONENT OF RENT THAT IS NET INCOME TO THE CITY.

$24 A SQUARE FOOT TODAY. TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF THIS EQUATION, THROW IT ASIDE AND IRRELEVANT TO THE PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION. THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THAT THIS BASE RENT COMPONENT OF $24 PER SQUARE FOOT IS FIXED FOR 15 YEARS. TIME VALUE OF MONEY OBVIOUSLY INDICATES IN A GROCERY STORE 8% INFLATION FACTOR.

HAVE IT GO DOWN TO 4 TO 5%. AND A LOSS OF NET RENT CONSERVATIVELY AT 50%. THAT $24-PER-SQUARE FOOT BECOMES $12 PER SQUARE FOOT NET TO THE CITY.

I AM GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE MAY HAVE THE CITY'S FINANCE DEPARTMENT DO AN ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT ACTUAL INCOME STREAM WILL BE BASED ON A STANDARDIZED TYPE OF -- COST OF INFLATION OR -- WHATEVER THE INDEX THEY ARE GOING TO USE.

SO WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT THE CASH FLOW VALUE OF THAT.

AND THE FINAL COMPONENT I WILL SUGGEST IS THAT.

YOU ARE CORRECT. SPACE HAS SAT VACANT FOR 10 YEARS -- OR 20 YEARS NOW. ALMOST 20 YEARS.

PUTTING A TENANT IN THERE TO COVER THE EXPENSE BASIS, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE TO THAT.

SIMPLY PUT. SO UNLIKE IN THE CAPITALIST END OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS MY SIDE OF IT, WE ARE LOOKING TO EARN REVENUE NOT OFFSET EXPENSE. THE CITY MAY BE INCLINED OFFSETTING THE BASIS IS AN ADVANTAGE TO THE CITY AND THE AMOUNT OF NET INCOME COMING INTO THE CITY IS AN ANCILLARY BENEFIT. CARRYING THAT SPACE AT $7-- $9..

NOT CONSUMABLE. A COST TO KEEP IT VACANT.

AND THERE IS A BENEFIT OF COVERING THOSE COSTS AND HAVING AN ANCILLARY AMOUNT OF INCOME. WE WOULD NEVER DO A LEASE FOR 15 YEARS -- I WOULD NEVER DO A LEASE WITH THREE YEARS WITH NO ESCALATION BUILT INTO IT..THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE AND THE QUESTION I WOULD HAVE COMING UP TO THAT, IS IT STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE FOR THE GSA TO PUT OUT REQUEST OF SPACE WITH ZERO ESCALATION OR SOMETHING THAT IS SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATION?

>> THAT IS -- FIRST QUESTION IS, IT IS STANDARD.

THEY WANT -- THEY WANT A FLAT R RENT. I WANT TO CAVEAT WHAT I STARTED -- AND I WILL SHARE THE FINANCIALS WITH YOUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. WHEN WE LOOK AT A COMPARATIVE RENT BASIS, AGAIN, I MENTIONED THE PRIVATE SECTOR TENANT.

IF A PRIVATE SECTOR TENANT WERE TO LEASE THE SPACE.

WE MADE AN ASSUMPTION AT THE HIGH END, $25 A SQUARE FOOT FOR THAT SPACE. THE FACT YOU HAVE TO LAY OUT MONEY TO GET THAT $25 A SQUARE FOOT AS MR. MIMMS WOULD KNOW.

IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND THAT MONEY, THE RENT WOULD COME DOWN

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PRESENT VALUE THAT BACK TO TODAY'S DOLLARS AND CAME UP WITH THE FLAT RENT THAT IS IN THE GSA PROPOSAL.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE WILL SEE

YOUR ANALYSIS. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS NOT KIND OF RESONATING.

IT WAS FLAT BUT TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT.

AND I LOOKED AT OUR ANALYSIS. WHEN WE LOOKED AT HOW WE WOULD COMPARE TO A QUOTE, UNQUOTE, NORMAL RENT.

AS I SAID, WE STARTED WITH THE $25 WHICH IS A HIGH NUMBER BASE RENT, ESCALATED IT, PRESENT VALUED IT BACK AND OVER THE 13

YEARS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: IN YOUR NEXT ROUND, YOU WILL GIVE THAT INFORMATION.

>> I WILL, THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ONE LITTLE THOUGHT BEFORE I FORGET. WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE CONSTITUENT IN FORT PIERCE WHO HAVE EVENTS ON THAT FOURTH FLOOR OF THE PARKING LOT OUTSIDE. AND SO IF WE WERE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE FOURTH FLOOR OR SOMEHOW RESTRICT IT, I WOULD LIKE TO FACTOR THAT IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COULD CONTINUE OR IF IT DOESN'T, I WANTON KNOW THAT UP FRONT.

BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THAT IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR EVENT UP IN THE FOURTH FLOOR IN THE PARKING LEVEL.

AND PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT BEFORE.

SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT.

ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MR. MIMMS, THE UP-FRONT COSTS.

WHERE -- HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT WHERE THAT COMES FROM AND HOW -- IS THAT GOING TO HAVE TO BE BORROWED?

IS THAT A COST TO US? >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: BASED ON OUR PRELIMINARY FINDINGS WE DO HAVE THAT IN RETAINED EARNINGS.

WE CAN ADVANCE THE FUNDS. WITH KNOWING THAT WE WILL BE REIMBURSED THAT AMOUNT WITH THE R -- WITH THE LEASE AND RENT

STRUCTURE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: JUST TO RETAIN -- I AM NOT -- RETAIN FUNDS, EARNING INTEREST.

WE HAVE THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY HERE TAKING -- OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

>> YES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO IS THERE GENERAL CONSENSUS TO PROCEED -- ENOUGH INTEREST TO GO ONE STEP FURTHER FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS? WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS.

WE ARE JUST -- >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, ONE STEP FURTHERMORE INFORMATION COMING ON SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE ASKED TODAY.

THAT -- WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP. WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP?

>>MAYOR: MR. MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: WE CAN LOOK AT THIS LIKE THIS. IF YOU ALL ARE JUST -- LET'S ROLL. I WILL GIVE INSTRUCTION TO OUR CONSULTANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONTINUAL LEASE NEGOTIATIONS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE INFORMATION TO GET A CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL OR SOME SORT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK. WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU AT ANOTHER INFORMAL MEET WHERE WE HAVE MORE INTENSE DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS ISSUE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO GET THAT FEEDBACK WHICH DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAD.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSION ABOUT WITH OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND EVEN SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK IN THE INFORMAL TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE COMMENTS BROUGHT UP TODAY AND BRING BACK SOME OF THE ANSWERS AND ANOTHER SET AT THAT TIME AN INFORMAL SETTING TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT.

AND JEREMIAH -- COMMISSIONER JOHNSON WAS DRILLING INTO THIS I WAS CURIOUS HOW FAR TO TAKE IT THE BUILDOUT COSTS, ARE, FOR $125 PER SQUARE FOOT THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL GET FROM THE CITY, NICK, HOW DO WE MANAGE THE FACT THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION DESCRIBE TO INDICATE THAT THAT $125 PER SQUARE FOOT IS ACCURATE VERSUS $175 PER SQUARE FOOT THAT EQUATES TO ANOTHER QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS GIVE OR TAKE.

WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY IN THIS PROCESS OF COMMITTING.

BECAUSE IF WE ARE OFF THE MARK BY A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT, THAT IS JUST MONEY OUT OF THE CITY'S POCKET THAT WOULD -- I AM ASSUMING WOULD BE RECOUPED OVER TIME OR IS THE CITY GOING TO EAT

THAT? >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I AGREE WITH YOU. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT RETURN ON INVESTMENT AND UTILIZATION OF THIS FACILITY AND BRINGING ADDITIONAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES TO OUR COMMUNITY.

OUR JOB HERE AT THE FORT PIERCE IS NOT TO MAKE MONEY, IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR ENDEAVORS DO NOT CAUSE ADDITIONAL FINANCIAL BURDEN UPON OUR TAXPAYERS AND UPON OUR OPERATION.

WHEN FLORIDA KRASNOW COMPLETES HIS ANALYSIS NEXT TIME OR IF WE TALK ABOUT THIS EVER AGAIN, WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT FINANCIAL DATA CLEARLY SPELLED OUT BASED ON YOUR CONCERNS EXPRESSED

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TODAY. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE TO. WHAT I AM HEARING NOW IS WE ARE BASICALLY GOING TO ASK THE GOVERNMENT TO COME BACK AND ANSWER COMES REQUEST HE IS, RIGHT.

TO A -- TO A SPACE THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO RENT FOR, WHAT,

20 YEARS YOU SAID? >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SINCE

'06. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

17, 16. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: TOO EARLY IN THE MO MORNING TO DO MATH.

SINCE '06. EVERYBODY CAN DO THE MATH ON THAT. MY CONCERN IS WHAT GUARANTEES THAT WE HAVE THAT THE GOVERNMENT -- LET'S SAY -- WILL COME BACK AND WANT TO MEET WITH US. I UNDERSTAND DOING BUSINESS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT IS NOT LIKE THE PRIVATE SECTOR. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DEAL WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, YOU HAVE TO GIVE AND TAKE, BECAUSE IT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. I MEAN, WHAT -- WHAT BETTER TENANT THAN IS YOU CAN HAVE IF IT IS NOT THE FEDERAL GOV GOVERNMENT. NOT LIKE WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT

RENT NOT BEING PAID. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OR THAT THE

CHECK IS GOOD. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THEY MAKE THE MONEY, RIGHT. THEY PRINT -- I MEAN --

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR TAXES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I THINK WE ALL NEED TO -- WE ALL NEED TO STEP BACK AND UNDERSTAND WHO THE TENANT WILL BE.

IT IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND MADAM MAYOR, YOU TOUCHED ON SOMETHING. WHAT OTHER CONDITIONS BY HOSTING THE GOVERNMENT IN HOUR CITY. I LOOK AT IT THE OVER WAY.

WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS COULD WE GET FROM HAVING A FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN ALSO.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE REAL CAREFUL BECAUSE DON'T WANT IT TO BE 2026. 2036.

I DON'T BE HERE OR SOMEBODY ELSE WILL BE HERE WE ARE TALKING OF ANOTHER TENANT TRYING TO GET INTO THIS FOURTH FLOOR BUILDING.

I UNDERSTAND ALL THE QUESTIONS. I AM MORE LEANING TO -- TO SITTING DOWN TO TALK WHAT THE LEASE IS GOING TO BE.

WHAT THEY ARE COMING UP WITH, AND THEN HAVE US COME BACK AT THAT TIME WITH THE LEASE AND THEY KNOW -- HE HAS HEARD OUR QUESTIONS WITH OUR ANSWERS BECAUSE WE KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE ARE GOING TO SAY YAY OR NAY TO A LEASE.

MAYBE A LONGER MEETING THAN THE TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS.

IF WE HAVE A TENANT WHO WANTS TO COME IN.

YOU JUST HEARD THAT -- YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO BORROW THE MONEY. WE HAVE THE MONEY.

IF WE CAN'T TRUST ON THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO SAY WE ARE GOING TO GET OUR MONEY BACK, I MEAN. WE ARE IN MORE TROUBLE THAN WE ARE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, LET'S MOVE FOR FORWARD.

IF WE -- IF -- IF YOU DIDN'T TAKE DOWN ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE HERE MAYBE WE SHOOT THEM TO THE CITY MANAGER TO GET THE FORMAL QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND THEY COME BACK IN FRONT OF US WITH THE LEASE AND WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE LEASE BECAUSE OTHER THAN YOU -- FROM TWO MEETINGS COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I CAN GUARANTEE THAT OUR TWO COMMISSIONERS NAMED JOHNSON, WHEN THE LEASE COMES BACK UP, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS AND HAVE AT LEAST 10 ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS PACED ON THE LEASE. WE ARE GOING TO GET ALL THE KIND OF ANSWERS AND THAT IS THE GOOD THING.

I SIT BACK AND FEED OFF THEIR QUESTION AND I ASK MY QUESTIONS.

THAT IS A GOOD THING. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOSE A TENANT THAT WE KNOW IS GOOD FOR THE MONEY. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME CONTRACTOR AS YOU SAID COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, SOME ARCHITECT TO COME IN FROM HERE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS AND PROVIDE MORE SERVICES TO -- MORE SERVICES TO CITY OF FORT PIERCE. SOMETHING THAT THIS CITY MANAGER SAID, WE ALL KNOW WHO ATF IS. AND WHAT -- WHAT BENEFIT COULD THEY BRING TO OUR -- TO OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS HERE, ESPECIALLY -- I AM THINKING AHEAD OF MYSELF.

WITH OUR PLANS, GUYS, HOW WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO BUILD UP DOWNTOWN. EVERY TIME -- ALL OUR PLANS.

THEY ARE RIGHT HERE. SO I JUST WANT US TO BE REAL CAUTIOUS BEFORE WE PUSH THIS CONTRACT OR GUYS AWAY.

I WOULD SAY MOVE AHEAD. LET -- WE TRUST OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT. WE TRUST OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

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BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU NOW, SITTING UP HERE ALMOST A YEAR, THERE IS NO LEASE THAT IS NOT -- ESPECIALLY A LEASE OF THIS MAGNITUDE, YOU -- IF YOU BRING THE LEASE BACK, BE PREPARED TO ST THERE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS, I AM JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. AND YOU MIGHT WANT -- YOU MIGHT WANT TO -- WHOEVER YOU CAN BRING WITH YOU AT THAT TIME, YOU MIGHT WANT TO BRING THEM WITH YOU BECAUSE -- THAT IS HOW IT IS GOING TO GO DOWN. BECAUSE EVERYBODY UP HERE TAKES IT SERIOUS. AND EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION UP HERE, ONCE YOU SUBMIT YOUR -- ONCE YOU SUBMIT YOUR PAPERWORK AND EVERYTHING TO US, TRUST ME, IT HAS BEEN READ FORWARD, BACKWARD, HIGHLIGHTED, CIRCLES. THAT IS WHAT WE DO AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE SITTING UP HERE. GUYS, I WILL SAY LET'S MOVE FORWARD AND GET READY TO HAVE HIM BRING HIS TEAM BACK -- HAVE HIS TEAM BACK AND EVERYBODY HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS READY.

HE CAN'T ANSWER THEM, GO TO HIS TEAM AND YOUR TURN TO GET TO THE MIC BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT OPPORTUNITY.

COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I AGREE. I AM LOOKING AT IT.

NO INCREASES. BUT I KNOW I CAN GET A CHECK FROM THE GOVERNMENT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I AM WEIGH IT. SO YOU KNOW FOR 13 -- IF WE I AGREE HE TO THIS, WE KNOW FOR 13 YEARS, IT WON'T BE VACANT.

THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT. IT WON'T BE VACANT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: AFTER 13 YEARS, WE WILL HAVE A BUILD OUT SPACE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: 13 YEARS IF THEY DO MOVE, IT WILL BE EASIER TO SAY SOMEBODY MOVE IN BECAUSE IT IS ALREADY BUILTOUT.

THAT IS JUST MY TWO CENT. I WILL GO BACK TO WHAT THE BOARD WANT TO GO WITH. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO GO FORWARD AND SO WE DON'T LOSE THIS TENANT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PRESENT WHAT THEY WANT TO PRESENT AND WE GO FROM THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I AM READY TO MOVE FORWARD. THE GOVERNMENT IS PROBABLY NEGOTIATING WHEREVER THEY ARE NOW.

PORT ST. LUCIE. THE LAST TIME SOMEONE THAT I KNEW HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THOSE FOLKS.

THEY ARE LOOKING AT THEIR OPTIONS NOW.

THEY LOOKED AT ALL THE VACANT AREAS AND THEY ARE SAYING, HEY, MAYBE THEY WANT TO BE IN FORT PIERCE FOR OTHER REASONS, WE DON'T KNOW WHY EXACTLY. GOOD.

LET'S THEM THEM DO THAT. IF IT IS VACANT AND CHECK IS SIGNED. AS LONG THE CHECK IS IN THE MAIL POX. IMPORTANT TO THAT THE CAPITAL SIDE OF ME, I DIDN'T SAY THIS EARLIER, VERY UNIQUE HOW WE HAVE TO THINK OF THIS BECAUSE I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING OVER THERE.

BUT I THINK ABOUT OUR PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR AND HOW WE FIT INTO THAT EQUATION BECAUSE WHILE I WANT TO BE VERY GOOD AND FRUGAL AND THINKING AHEAD FOR OUR FINANCIAL MEANS. AND AT THE SAME TIME, WHAT IS THE ADD BENEFIT THAT CAN'T BE RECOGNIZED IN THE A DOLLAR SIGN AND THE GUARDIAN AD LITEM COMES BACK UP BECAUSE THAT GROUP WITH THE 30 AND 40 EMPLOYEES THAT COME HERE EVERY DAY AND VENTURE OUT IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS MAKE AN IMPACT TO DOWNTOWN.

400 VOLUNTEERS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE EVENTS AND NIGHT MEETINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT GOING ON THAT WE MAY NOT RECOGNIZE WITH OUR DOLLAR SIGN FIGURE.

SO I ALWAYS THINK ABOUT THAT OPTION.

WITH ALL THAT SAID AND DONE AND IT IS EARLY, YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED ANY QUESTIONS. AND SAVING TO ASK THE QUESTION.

YOU HAVE SEEN THE LEASE AGREEMENT AND/OR WHEN DO YOU START REVIEWING AND LET ME --

>>. >> LET ME BE CLEAR, WE DO NOT HAVE A LEASE AGREEMENT THAT IS TAILORED FOR FORT PIERCE.

WHAT WE HAVE IS A TEMPLATE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON:

THAT'S RIGHT. >> YOU ARE ASKING ME WHAT I THINK? I THINK --

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU WILL GET A REVIEW OF THE

AGREEMENT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: KNOW

WHAT THAT ANSWER IS GOING TO BE. >> WHEN IT COMES TO THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, YOU HAVE PROBABLY REALISTICALLY LIMITED ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I'M SAYING SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK IS A SHOCK TO ANYBODY. WE CAN TALK OF THE SPECIFICS AT A LATER TIME, BUT IT -- THERE ARE -- THERE ARE A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE MET.

AND SPECIFICALLY AS FAR AS SECURITY IS CONCERNED, YOU ARE GOING TO WANT TO THINK ABOUT WHETHER THAT $65,000 WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO COVER THAT. THAT WILL BE NOT JUST A ONE-TIME COST. IT WILL BE A RECURRING COST.

MAINTENANCE WILL BE A RECURRING COST IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALS

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A LOT OF VARIABLES AND FACTORS WE NEED TO CONSIDER.

SECONDLY, THE MAYOR ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP AN ISSUE, WHAT IF FEDERAL LAW CHANGES. IF FEDERAL LAW CHANGES, I THINK IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CHANGE THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR LEASE AGREEMENT. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AND WE DON'T KNOW -- THAT COULD BE ANYTHING.

A SMALL THING WE NEED TO FIX OR A MAJOR THING WE NEED TO FIX.

SO THOSE ARE JUST ALL THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND.

BT IN ORDER TO -- I WOULD NEED TO HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FROM YOU AND THE CONVERSATION WHAT THE TEXT OF THE FINAL DOCUMENT THAT IS PRODUCED TO US AS FAR AS A LEASE AGREEMENT IS CONCERNED.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE TO SPEAK, BECAUSE I KNOW IT WILL BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE CONVERSATION, OUR ONE ON ONES

WITH ALL THE COMMISSION. >> YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS, ARE YOU CLEAR WHAT WE ARE DOING

HERE. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I AM CLEAR THAT I HEARD ALL OF YOUR OPINIONS, AND I DO BELIEVE AT THIS POINT BASED ON THE MAJORITY OF YOUR FEEDBACK, IT LOOKS LIKE WE SHALL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LEASE NEGOTIATIONS.

AND WE HAVE AN AUDIO AND VIDEO RECORDING OF ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND EVERY ONE OF THEM WILL BE ANSWERED BEFORE A LEASE IS SIGNED OR EVEN PRESENTED TO YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YEAH, A LOT OF "WHAT IFS" THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER. WHAT IF.

WE DON'T KNOW IF FEDERAL LAW WILL CHANGE AND AFFECT US.

IF IT DOES, IT WILL AFFECT EVERYBODY WHO RENTS TO THE

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: ALL YOUR

CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED, YES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONERS,

ARE YOU COMFORTABLE? >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE NEVER COMFORTABLE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: ADDRESS HOW AND WHEN.

I HEARD COMMISSIONER GAINES MOVING FORWARD, BRING IT BACK TO US. SEND IT TO US IN WRITING OR HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE.

>> MY EXPECTATION FOR THE REPRESENTATIVE OF COL YEARS TO COME BACK AFTER HE ENGAGED THE BROKER REPRESENTING GSA TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS THAT WILL ALLOW FOR US TO HAVE A DIALOGUE.

WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY LET US BRING IT BACK AND IN FRONT OF A CITY COMMISSION IN A REGULAR MEETING AND VOTING UP AND DOWN ON THAT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR --

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM SAYING THE SAME THING THAT YOU SAID. WHAT I SAID WAS, INSTEAD OF PAUSING, LET THE CITY GO AHEAD AND START NEGOTIATING THIS WHOLE LEASE THING. SO OUR CITY ATTORNEY CAN START LOOKING AT IT, BECAUSE SHE MIGHT HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ONCE SHE GETS THE LEASE, SHE MIGHT HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT SHE NEED US TO LOOK AT. WHEN WE GET THAT STARTED.

HAVE EVERYBODY COME BACK AND BRING THE WHOLE TEAM IF YOU HAVE TO. BRING THE WHOLE TEAM IF YOU HAVE TO AT THAT MEETING, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I KNOW MY TWO COMMI COMMISSIONER JOHNSONS, BE PREPARED. AND COMMISSIONER BRODERICK AND I WILL JUMP IN WHEN WE CAN. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

SO THAT IS WHAT I WAS SAYING, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

I DON'T WANT -- I WASN'T SAYING COME BACK AND WE VOTE THE LEASE UP AND DOWN. WHEN EVERYTHING COMES BACK, SHE WOULD HAVE MADAM ATTORNEY WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE LEASE MORE AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, LIKE I SAID, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. JEREMIAH JOHNSON SAID IN THE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS SHE COULD SAY MY CONCERN, A, B AND C AND TO COME BACK AND ASK QUESTIONS AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.

ABOUT I THINK YOUR TEAM NEXT TIME.

AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. YOU MAY KNOW EVERYTHING.

THAT IS YOU, BUT THE WHOLE FRONT ROW COULD BE -- HAVE YOUR TEAM AND IF YOU NEED TO SLIDE OUT OF THE WAY WAY AND LET SOMEBODY SLIDE UP. THAT WILL BE BETTER NOT FOR US, NOT FOR SHOW, BUT EVERYBODY THAT IS LISTENING TO THESE MEETINGS WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE DOING OUR JOB IN ASKING THE REQUEST HE IS THAT WE HAVE TO ASK.

>> UNDERSTOOD. JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION, SO WE CAN MANAGE EXPECTATIONS ON TIMELINE.

WHEN WILL THAT BE? WE WOULD BE READY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, COUPLE OF PHONE CALLS AND, YOU KNOW, TOMORROW -- IN DAYS. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

TIMELINE IS ON THIS SIDE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: WHAT IS THE TIMELINE ON YOUR SIDE? WHAT DOES THE PROFIT EXPECT WITH

THE RFP. >> THEY ARE EXPECTING AN ANSWER

SHORTLY. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THEN WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO DO WHAT COMMISSIONER GAINES IS SUGGESTING TO WRAP THIS INTO ONE PACKAGE AND HAMMER IT OUT.

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TACKLE LUNCH THAT DAY. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: IF WE

HAVE TO DO IT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GAINES ON THAT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BEEN SAYING. YOU HAVE CONCERNS.

A LEASE A AGREEMENT OAR ANYTHING, WE SPELL OUT CERTAIN RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE LANDLORDS, TENANTS.

WE SPELL OUT EVERYTHING. WE SPELL OUT THE RENT, SECURED AND INSURANCE. EVERYTHING WILL BE SPELLED OUT.

FURTHERMORE, YOU HAVE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE POTENTIAL RELATIONSHIP. AND LIKE I SAID, WE WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT ADDRESSED AS BEST AS WE POSSIBLY COMPANY.

WE WILL BE HERE AND BROUGHT TO YOU IN A FORMAL CAPACITY FOR A DOCUMENT FOR YOU TO EITHER SIDE OR NOT SIGN THATCH IS THE ANTICIPATED GOAL OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS TO SIMPLY DETERMINE IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO AND IF THERE IS, WE WILL ENSURE THAT YOU ARE WELL INFORMED AND ALL OF YOUR

CONCERNS WILL BE ADDRESSED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT I HEAR IS, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. WE WILL GET OUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK, AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT OUR ATTORNEY HAVE LOOKED AT.

THAT YOU HAVE LOOKED AT. FINANCE LOOKED AT.

AND ALL THE BACKGROUND QUESTIONS ANTICIPATED AND ABLE TO STAY YEA OR NAY. IS THAT ALL RIGHT WITH YOU GUY AS SOON AS COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON -- OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: STOP COMMENTED A LONG TIME AGO MIMGZ MIMMS SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN. LET'S DO IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU CLEAR? >> WHY HE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MISS EARLEY, ARE YOU CLEAR.

>> YES, MADAM MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ONLY

[b. Short term and Vacation Rental Fee Discussion]

TOOK AN HOUR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THIS IS

CONFERENCE AGENDA. >> NEXT IS THE SHORT TERM AND

VACATION RENTAL FEE DISCUSSION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS, DO

YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS? >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: NO, I DO NOT.

>> HELPING US TODAY. THIS IS JUST COMING BACK TO YOU TO DISCUSS THE CURRENT FEE FOR SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTALS.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU -- A REAL BASIC OUTLINE WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND WHAT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.

THE FIRST SLIDE HERE IS -- IS SIMPLY ALL THE DIFFERENT STATE AND LOCAL REQUIREMENTS NEEDED FOR VACATION RENTALS LESS THAN 30 DAYS. IF WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT DIFFER IS FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS GREATER THAN 30 DAY IS CITY BTR IS NOT REQUIRED AND A DDPR LICENSE IS NOT REQUIRED.

EVERYTHING ELSE STILL REMAINS THE SAME.

YOU KNOW NO MATTER HOW -- AS LONG AS YOU ARE RENTING FOR NOT GREATER THAN SIX MONTHS. CURRENTLY WITH OUR ONLINE REGISTRATION PROGRAM. THE ONLY WAY OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS THROUGH THE ONLINE PORTAL AND THE ONLY WAY TO ACCEPT PAYMENTS THROUGH THE ONLINE PORTAL AND NO WAY TO APPLY AND MAKE A PAYMENT IN OUR OFFICE.

AND WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT ABLE TO UPLOAD ADDITIONAL APPLICATIONS ANY LONGER WE LEARNED IT THE HARD WAY IF YOU DO IT UPLOADS EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE AND WE CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. AND THE NEXT SLIDE IS SIMPLY -- WE DID SOME RESEARCH I DID SOME RESEARCH AND WE HAD HELP FROM THE MEMBER OF THE VACATION AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMMUNITY THAT ALSO PROVIDED A WHOLE LOT OF RESEARCH FOR US.

AND THIS SLIDE WILL BASICALLY SHOW YOU WHERE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS IN TERMS OF THE FEE THAT WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY.

THE TOP. -- WELL, THE VILLAGE OF NORTH PALM BEACH HAVE A $600 FEE. TEQUESTA, CITY OF DESTIN, ST.

AUGUSTINE AND A SLIDING FEE. IN ANY EVENT, THE LIST OF CITIES AND THE RENTAL FEE FOR THE INITIAL REGISTRATION, AND THEN AT RENEWAL AND NO SEMI COLON AND THE SAME FEE EACH YEAR.

WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MEMBERS OF THE VACATION RENTAL -- SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMMUNITY LAST WEEK AND I THINK WE HAD A REALLY GREAT DISCUSSION.

EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME PAGE THAT WE WANT TO MAKE THIS BETTER AND GREAT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THAT FEEL THAT THE FEE IS CUMBERSOME AND TRUTHLY AN IMPEDIMENT TO OUR ABILITY TO GET

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AND AFTER ALL OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, I HAD COMMITTED TO THEM I WOULD BRING FORWARD THE INTO HE THAT THEY WERE RECOMMENDING WHICH IS $250 A YEAR AND $150 AT RENEWAL.

SO BASICALLY UP TO YOU GUYS -- WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP IS THAT THE LEVEL OF THE FEE THAT WE HAVE NOW PREVENTS PEOPLE -- THEY THINK IT IS TOO MUCH SO THEY TRY TO OPERATE WITHOUT THE OPERATION PROCESS. SO HOWEVER WE SET THAT FEE BECAUSE WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR AN EFFORT TO GET PEOPLE

TO COMPLY. >> CORRECT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE WE SATISFIED WITH OUR VENDOR AND WHAT THEY

ARE DOING FOR US? >> NO, MA'AM.

WE ARE ACTIVELY LOOKING AT -- AT LEAST FOR THE -- IN THE SHORT TERM, REMOVING THE ONLINE REGISTRATION COMPONENT WITH OUR VENDOR AND BRING IT BACK IN- IN-HOUSE. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOUR EMPLOYEES ASK YOU TO BE ABLE TO DO THE WORK, IT GIVES YOU AN INDICATOR OF HOW DIFFICULT THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN.

WE FEEL THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO GIVE A MUCH BETTER SERVICE AND PROVIDE BETTER ASSISTANCE TO THOSE IN THE SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTAL COMMUNITY IF WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT IN HOUSE.

YOU KNOW COLLECTING THE FEE. ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES. HAVING TO DO EACH ONE ONLINE IS GREATLY CUMBERSOME. AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE LEARNED GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS THE DATA IN TERMS OF ADMINISTRATION IS EXTRAORDINARY UNRELIABLE AT THAT POINT IMPEDE THE ABILITY TO DO CODE COMPLIANCE BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE.

I MEAN -- SO TO HE WAS ARE THE TWO COMPONENTS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT TAKING OUT. GRANICUS DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB IDENTIFYING PROPERTIES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, DOING SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTALS. BUT IT IS JUST -- THE MARRYING OF THE DATA, THE CROSS REFERENCING OF THE DATA IS JUST

NOT WORKING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT -- WHEN WE EMBARKED ON THIS PROCESS IS.

WE WANTED -- WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL MOVEMENT EFFECTS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND TRYING TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE IS A GLOBAL VIEW -- A LOT SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD KIND OF TAKES AWAY THE ABILITY TO FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS AND TO KNOW -- AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO DO WAS TO HAVE A FEE THAT WAS ROBUST ENOUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH ALL THE LIMITATIONS THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAVE PUT ON US IN TERMS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN MANAGE THIS PROCESS BOTH FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE WANT TO BE FAIR FOR BOTH ENTITIES AND DON'T WANT TO FAVOR ONE OTHER THE OTHER BECAUSE -- BECAUSE WE WANT. WE WANT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TO BE -- OUR -- TRUE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE LEGISLATURE HAS KIND OF PUT A KINK IN THAT IN TERMS OF US BEING ABLE TO CONTROL OUR OWN

DESTINY. >> THEY WERE TRYING TO CAP IT AT

$50. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IN THE LEGISLATION THAT THEY LAST PUT UP, THEY WANTED EVERY CITY IN

FLORIDA TO HAVE A $50 FEE. >> RIGHT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM -- I AM CONCERNED ABOUT LOWERING THE INITIAL FEE. I WOULD BE OPEN TO ANOTHER FEE.

ANOTHER RENEWAL LEVEL IF IT CAN BE JUSTIFIED.

WHAT IS THE COMMISSION'S VIEW ON THIS?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I AM LOOKING AT ALL THESE OTHER NUMBERS AND LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T HERE WHEN THE $600 FEE WAS ESTABLISHED. AND LISTENING TO YOU, I UNDERSTAND -- I UNDERSTAND AND TRYING TO GET THE NEIGHBORHOODS NEIGHBORHOODS. AND GOING WITH THE OUTSIDE PARTY THAT WAS HELPING US FINANCE OR GET THESE -- GET THESE TENANTS, THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS REGISTERED.

BUT THIS IS -- I HAVE HAD A PROBLEM WITH THIS SINCE I HAVE

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AS ONE WHO TRAVELS -- ONE WHO TRAVELS A LOT OR PAYS FOR TRAVEL FOR COLLEGE STUDENTS AND OLDER KIDS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MOVING AND LOOKING INTO -- AND I HOPE THAT DALE IS NOT LISTENING, LOOKING INTO THE RENTAL OF HOMES AND PROPERTIES FOR THEIR FAMILIES. IT IS CHEAPER TO RENT AN ENTIRE HOUSE FOR A FAMILY THAT CAN SIT THERE INSTEAD OF RENTING TWO OR THREE HOTEL ROOMS. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

BUT YOU STILL HAVE -- YOU STILL HAVE YOUR TRAVELERS WHO WANT TO STAY IN HOTELS. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

BUT OUR CONCERN IS, WE HAVE THIS BIG VISION AGAIN -- THIS BIG VISION OF DOWNTOWN AND ASKING EVERYBODY TO COME TO FORT PIERCE, EITHER DOWNTOWN, IF WE GET THE SUNRISE BACK UP.

OR EVEN IF WE GET THE WAVE POOL GOING.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR THE BEST POSSIBILITY TO BRING THEIR FAMILIES AND WE WANT THEIR FAMILIES TO COME TO FORT PIERCE.

AND WE HAVE TO INCLUDE OR ALLOW THE RESIDENTS OF FORT PIERCE TO BE ABLE TO CAPITOLIZE IN SOME OF THIS GROWTH.

AND IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A PROPERTY WHERE THEY RENT IT OUT, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO WORK WITH THEM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT IF THEY ARE A CORPORATION? WHAT IF THEY DON'T LIVE HERE IN FORT PIERCE?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I LOVE -- THAT IS A DIFFERENT -- THAT IS A DIFFERENT -- TO ME, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME TO ME. WITHOUT GETTING MYSELF IN TROUBLE AND I DON'T WANT TO LOOK OVER -- AT MY CITY ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW BECAUSE SHE DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY.

I AM NOT -- I WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.

I DON'T KNOW THE LAW AS I SIT HERE RIGHT NOW THAT WE CAN DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CORPORATIONS AND RESIDENTS.

DO EVERYBODY KNOW THAT? HAS THAT LAW COME DOWN.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK I KNOW IT, BUT I WOULD RATHER FROM

MISS EARLEY ANSWER IT. >> MADAM MAYOR, TO DIRECT THE DISCUSSION A LITTLE EASIER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE FEE THAT WE ARE CHARGING, I THINK IT SHOULD NOT BE CONNECTED TO WHO IS PAYING THE FEE, BUT TO THE OPERATING COST THAT THE FEE IS DESIGNED TO

SUPPORT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE JUSTIFICATION FOR IT, YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SO -- THANK YOU.

I JUST HEARD -- I JUST HEARD THAT THE FEE -- THE FEE THAT WE ARE CHARGING, WE WERE USING TO HELP FUND A COMPANY THAT HELPED US REGISTER AND PROVIDE INSIGHT WHO WAS RENTING.

AND THAT COMPANY IS NOT WORKING AND IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO IT

IN-HOUSE. >> CAN I CLARIFY.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, CLARIFY.

>> THE VERIFICATION PORTION OF IT WILL STILL BE NEEDED TO BE DONE BY THIS COMPANY. THAT IS NOT SOMETHING WE CAN EFFECTIVELY DO INTERNALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE WITH THE EXISTING RSOURCES. THE OTHER PLAN WE ARE ABOUT TO KEEP WITH THIS VENDOR THE 24-HOUR EMERGENCY CALL HOTLINE BECAUSE WE VIEW THAT AS ESSENTIAL IN A WAY TO GATHER THE INFORMATION AND DOCUMENT THE PROBLEM PROPERTIES AND GIVES OUR NEIGHBORS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS A NUMBER TO CALL THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY CALL THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON AND HAVE THAT ISSUE RESOLVED AND NOT TRYING TO WAIT TO GET SOMEBODY IN CITY HALL.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I LOVE THAT.

I LOVE THAT. MY QUESTION IS, OUT OF $600, HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TOWARD THE 24-HOUR CALL.

HOW MUCH IS GOING TO THE VERIFICATION.

THAT IS WHAT I NEED TO UNDE

UNDERSTAND. >> CURRENTLY THE ANNUAL FEE OF THE VENDOR IS $3200. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW FEE

WILL BE BASED ON THE REDUCTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: 32,000.

>> 32,000. SORRY, I MISSED A ZERO.

$32,000 ANNUALLY. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEW FEE WILL BE. WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL ALLOW US TO BACK OUT OF IT AND NOT PAY THE FEE, BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE

A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WILL DO PART -- I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WILL DO PART OF IT.

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>> SHOULD BE A DIFFERENT FEE, YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE OTHER PART OF IT.

IF YOU -- 24-7, THAT WILL BE A C

COST. >> ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE 3

$32,000. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE SAYING THAT IS NOT WORKING WITH THEM -- OR SETTLE WORKING WITH THEM.

>> THE 24-HOUR IS WORKING WITH THEM, YES.

THE WAY THEY DO THEIR -- THEY HAVE DIFFERENT MODULES OF THE SERVICES THEY OFFER. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE MODULES OR FOUR MODULES. WE WILL GO DOWN TO TWO MODULES.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WHAT IS OUR COST WHEN WE REDUCE

OUR MODULES TO TWO. >> WE DON'T KNOW YET.

WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM.

WE BROKE THE NEWS LAST WEEK. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: TO MR. GAINES QUESTION, WE NEED CLARIFICATION BUT WILL BE LET KNOWN WHAT THAT WILL BE. WE HAVE A THREE-YEAR LOCK ON THE

32 THAT MAY PROHIBIT US? >> A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE LOCKED INTO THE --

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE FULL MODULE AT 32.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM THEM NOW.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WHERE OUR ATTORNEY WILL BE REVIEWING IT. GOT IT.

THE FACTS ON WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: IF YOU ALL RECALL, I WAS A MEMBER OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE.

PUBLIC SERVICE AT ITS ABSOLUTE FINEST.

COUPLE OF COMMENTS. WHEN I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE PRESENTATION FROM THE TASK FORCE TO THE CITY COMMISSION, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, OR MAYBE A LITTLE MORE, MY CLOSING COMMENTS WERE ARE THIS IS A MASS -- A SWEEPING CHANGE OF HOW THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS ADMINISTERING THIS COTTAGE INDUSTRY, AND WE FULLY EXPECTED THERE WAS GOING TO BE COURSE CHANGES NEEDED AS WE PROCEEDED.

MY FEEDBACK IS FROM SEVERAL SOURCES.

ONE IS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH PEGGY OF THAT.

PART OF IT, COMMISSIONER GAINES, NOT IN THE SOFTWARE BUT WANTED TO STAFF THE POSITION SPECIALIZE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL SCENARIO OF EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT ARM.

THE TASK FORCE STAYED THAT WAS CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF THE OVERALL PROGRAM. AND WITHOUT THAT COMPONENT WE WERE JUST WASTING TIME GENERATING ALL THE PAPERWORK.

PEGGY HAS STATISTICS RELATIVE TO THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT HAVE BEEN ACTIVE, THAT HAVE NOW RENEWED.

IS THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY, PEGGY?

>> THE NEXT SLIDE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: SO THE FEE STRUCTURE WAS -- AND LINDA, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY RECOLLECTION IS THE FEE STRUCTURE WAS PUT IN PLACE BASED ON ANALYTICAL WORK BROUGHT BACK TO THE TASK FORCE AND REPORTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

BUT WE WERE SENSITIVE TO THE FACT WE HAD HARD COSTS THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE INCURRING TO MAINTAIN THAT PROGRAM AND THAT'S WHERE THAT THRESHOLD WAS DETERMINED TO THE 600.

AND CANDIDLY WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER AND A WIDE RANGE OF FEE THAT WERE BEING DISCUSSED. MY ONLY CONCERN -- THE ARGUMENT GOING TO BE MADE BY SOME OF THE INDUSTRY EXPERTS IS THAT A $600 FEE ON A HALF A MILLION DOLLAR ACQUISITION OF PIECE OF REAL ESTATE IS ONEROUS. THAT DOESN'T REALLY WASH WITH ME PER SE. IF YOU ARE EX-PENDING HALF A MILLION IN A RENTAL POOL AT A COUPLE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS A WEEK. CAN'T CONSIDER THE $600 CHARGE TO BE BURDEN SOME. HOWEVER, THAT MOTIVATION ASIDE, FOR THE STRUCTURE TO ENCAPSULATE THE FEES THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO INCUR IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENFORCEMENT THIS OF THIS PROGRAM. NOT TO CREATE A BURDENSOME FEE STRUCTURE BUT THAT THE CITY'S HARD COSTS ARE BEING MET AND IF THAT SUGGESTS A REDUCTION OF THAT FEE, I AM IN LINE WITH THAT, BUT THOSE PROGRAMS CANNOT GO BY THE WAYSIDE.

THEY ARE CRITICAL COMPONENTS TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS.

AND IS A PARTNERSHIP. SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE POPPING DOWN LIKE PINS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I AM SURROUNDED WITH THEM. I AM QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUES PERTAINING TO IT, THE COST STRUCTURE TO ADMINISTER IT TO MY MIND IS THE C IT CAL COMPONENT.

FEEDBACK FROM LINDA AND PEGGY. HOW WE STAFF IT AND CONTINUE TO STAFF IT IN THE SAME METHODOLOGY AND HAVE THAT STAFFING COMPONENT IS MAINTAINED SUCCESSFUL AFTER A YEAR AND A FEW MONTHS.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MAYOR, REAL QUICK -- COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, AGREE. WHATEVER THE COSTS ARE FOR STAFFING AND GETTING IT DONE, WHAT YOU SAID, THE CRITICAL

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IF THAT FEE COVERS THAT, I AM GOOD.

I AM LOOKING AT THIS PAGE HERE. AND SOMETHING IS JUST NOT -- STILL ADDING UP TO ME. WE HAVE 112 PAID.

301. IF I READ IT RIGHT, OUT OF THE 301, HAVE THEY BEEN PAID? HAVE THEY BEEN INACTIVATED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PAY BY SEPTEMBER 30?

>> CORRECT. THEY DID NOT PAY.

THE 301 WAS PRIOR TO THE REJEWELS GOING -- GOING OUT.

AND WE CAPTURED 300 OF THEM DURING OUR INITIAL RENEWAL CYCLE. NOW UNDER THE CURRENT PROGRAM, THEY AUTOMATICALLY GOT AN INVOICE AT -- I THINK ON SEPTEMBER 1. I TONIGHT HAVE ANY ABILITY TO TELL IF THEY GOT THE INVOICE. I DON'T HAVE IN THE ABILITY TO SEND IN NEW INVOICE. AND IF THEY DON'T PAY BY SEPTEMBER 30, THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY INACTIVATED IN THE SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHY WE WENT FROM 301 TO 112.

IT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ARE INACTIVATED IN THE SYSTEM.

IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE NOT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

>> DEFINITELY NOT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SO THIS WHOLE PROGRAM GOING BACK TO YOU, COMMISSIONER.

THIS WHOLE PROGRAM IS, TO ME, IS NOT WORKING BECAUSE IF WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS CRUCIAL THAT WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, THAT EVERYTHING -- AND WE GOT -- WE HAVE 112 THAT DID EVERYTHING.

THEY SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, $600 WE PAY IT.

BUT 301 THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT, I AM NOT -- LET'S SEE WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO DO. THAT IS WHERE I THINK WE ARE GOING TO RUN INTO A PROBLEM, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW UNLESS -- LET ME BACK UP. THESE # 01.

THAT 24-HOUR VERIFICATION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE W WANT.

IF THEY ARE NOT REGISTERED DO THEY GET COMPLAINT FOR THE 321.

>> THE 24-HOUR COMPLAINT HOTLINE IS FOR ANYTHING.

ANY SHORT-TERM RENTAL. REGISTERED OR UNREGISTERED.

ANY COMPLAINT WHATSOEVER. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT, MIDDLE OF THE DAY. WE USE THAT AS A TOOL.

IF THEY ARE NOT PROPERRY REGISTERED WITH A RESPONSIBLE PERSON, WE WILL GET NOTIFICATION THAT A COMPLAINT WAS MADE OF A PROPERTY THEY BELIEVE WAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.

THEY ARE NOT PROPERLY REPRESENTED WITH US AND EN ABILITY CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION TO GO OUT TO AND BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE. CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ALL RIGHT.

I AM GOING TO BE QUIET. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT -- YOU CAN'T INVOICE THEM.

IS GRANICUS OR OUR VENDOR DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO

HAVEN'T RENEWED? >> I TONE BELIEVE SO.

IT'S JUST SO BAD. WE JUST WANT TO TAKE IT BACK IN-HOUSE. EVEN IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO PAY FOR IT, HONESTLY NOT WORTH IT TO CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THEM FOR THIS FUNCTION BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T WORK.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT SAVING US ANY WORK BY NOT DOING IT IN HOUSE. IT IS JUST CREATING ADDITIONAL WORK AND FRUSTRATION AND ANGER BY OUR CUSTOMERS THAT IS WHY WE FEEL WE CAN DO IT STRONGLY BETTER IN HOUSE AND NOT EXTRA WORK BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY DOING IT NOW.

WE JUST WILL BE ABLE TO DO IT BETTER.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, MAYBE I LOOK AT THIS, TOO, FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

WE ARE NOT MEETING THE FINANCIAL OBJECTIVE HERE.

IF YOU HAVE 112 PEOPLE AND DO YOU SIMPLE MATH AT THE RENEWAL FEE THAT WE CHARGE WITH I IS $600, RIGHT.

A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, $60,000 SOMETHING DOLLARS.

AND LOOK AT 112 AND MOVE LEGISLATION OR WHATEVER IT IS -- ORDINANCE, WHATEVER WE PUT IN TO 250, BELOW WHAT WE ARE PAYING IN CONTRACT RIGHT NOW TO THIS COMPANY GRANICUS.

AM I CORRECT. >> I WOULD HAVE TO DO THE MATH.

>> 20,000. THAT IS NOT INCLUDED THE STAFF PERSON TO GO OUT AND HIRE AND ENFORCE CITATIONS, ETC., AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO WOULD SEEM TO ME AS WE EVALUATE THIS, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE GET MORE PEOPLE TO COME ON BOARD AND CAPTURE A GAP BETWEEN THE 112 AND 301.

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JUST ON SIMPLE MATH RIGHT NOW. NOT HAVING ANYTHING.

THAT IS HOW I LOOKED AT IT COMMISSIONERS.

WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT -- LET'S JUST SAY MORE THAN 50% OF THE PEOPLE TO ARE ACTIVELY REGISTERED RIGHT NOW THAT ARE NOT REGISTERED WITH US RIGHT NOW AND NOT ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TO DO ENFORCE THAT.

PER SE. WHAT CAN WE DO?

WHAT HAVE WE DONE? >> WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AFTER THEM TO GET THEM REGISTERED.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I GOTCHA. THAT IS WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR.

>> OUTSIDE OF THE VENDOR. WE DON'T NEED THE VENDOR FOR

THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

GOTCHA. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I WANT TO MAKE A OAKS. BECAUSE WE HAVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR CITY AND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, AND I KNOW IT'S HERE TO STAY. I KNOW THAT THAT MOVEMENT IS HERE TO STAY. IT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, COMMISSIONER GAINES, WHEN PEOPLE GO OTHER PLACES THEY STAY IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING -- BUT WHAT THIS SYSTEM IS REQUIRES THE NEIGHBORS TO REPORT 24-7 HOTLINE. SOMETHING IS GOING ON.

THE GARBAGE HAS SPILLED. THE NOISE IS TOO LOUD.

THE WHATEVER. THE PEOPLE ARE DOING ALL SORTS OF ILLEGAL CRAZY THINGS IN THE POOL.

REQUIRES THE NEIGHBORS TO REPORT ON THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND REQUIRES US TO DO POLICE THESE SHORT-TERM -- REQUIRES US GO AFTER. AN ACTIVE BUSINESS IN OUR CITY THAT REQUIRES US TO DO ALL THE WORK IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT THEY COMPLY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING IT COSTS US FOR THIS BUSINESS TO OPERATE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT IS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND I KNOW -- I KNOW THAT SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE HERE TO STAY.

I AM NOT TRYING TO STOP THEM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURE THE COST AND WHAT HAPPENS TO OUR OWN CITY THAT WHEN WE HAVE THIS IN AREAS WHERE WE NORMALLY DON'T HAVE THIS KIND OF ACTIVITY.

THE LEGISLATURE IS NOT AT ALL IN SYMPATHY WITH WHAT I AM SAYING AT ALL. AND I KNOW THAT.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND I AGREE. AND I HEARD COMMISSIONER BRODERICK LOUD AND CLEAR. I AGREE.

HE WAS THERE. HE WAS ON THERE.

AND THE FEES WERE TO -- TO CAP WHATEVER COST THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO SPEND. WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR THE CITY TO SPEND ANY PENNY THAT WE COULDN'T CAPTURE FROM SOME --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I AGREE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: LET'S

GET THERE STRAIGHT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I WOULD LIKE FOR THE INITIAL FEE TO BE EXAMINED AS WELL AS THE RENEWAL FEE IN

TERMS OF COST. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: IF YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER PAGE, THE FIRST PAGE -- THE NUMBERS WITH THE -- THAT ONE. SINCE I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE IN THIS SEAT, I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO.

I AM GOING TO SWITCH OFF AND GO BACK TO DOWNTOWN TO KINGS LANDING. EVERYTHING WE HAVE DONE, WE MONITORED AND WE LOOKED AT FORT MYERS.

I AM JUST SITTING HERE. AND I AM LOOKING AT FORT MYERS AND THEY HAVE $300 A LITTLE HIGHER THAN WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID $250. I DON'T KNOW THAT $300.

I DON'T BE WHAT THAT $300 IS BUT CURIOUS THAT WE HAVE SAT DOWN WITH EVERYBODY FROM OVER THERE FORT MYERS.

SINCE WE USE FORT MYERS IN THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT TO SEE IF

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SOMETHING IS NOT WORKING. IF WE HAVE TO GIVE AND TAKE AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID, GIVE AND TAKE AND MEET IN THE MIDDLE SOMEWHERE OR IT BE -- OR IT BE A HARD 601 TIMES AND SOMETHING RENEWAL. I AM GOOD WITH THAT AND SOMETHING IS NOT WORKING THAT I HAVE -- THAT I HAVE 301 SHORT-TERM RENTALS OUT HERE. NOW THAT FROM WHAT I AM HEARING AND MADAM CLERK, YOU CAN CORRECTLY, NOW THE CITY HAS TO SPEND MONEY TO GO ENFORCE THESE REGISTRATIONS.

IS THAT NOT -- -- >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT'S RIGHT.

WE ARE SPENDING MONEY THAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE COVERING IN OUR INITIAL FEE. RIGHT.

I AM JUST -- I AM WAKING UP GUYS.

WAKING UP ON A MONDAY MORNING. I AM WAKING UP NOW.

SO INITIAL FEE NOT WORKING. THEY ARE NOT PAYING IT.

SO NOW, YOU HAVE TO GO AND SPEND SOMEBODY -- -- TO TAKE SOMEBODY FROM OTHER JOBS TO TRACK THESE PEOPLE DOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET REGISTRATION. THEY GET REGISTERED.

IF THEY STILL REFUSE, THEN THAT IS ANOTHER STEP WISH WE NEED TO GET THE ATTORNEY -- THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OFFERED.

HOW TO WE DO THAT? HOW IT YOU THIS WORK?

>> MADAM MAYOR. FIRST TO ANSWER MR. BRODERICK'S QUESTION, YES, I HAVE THE STAFF, OKAY.

I HAVE FIVE FULL-TIME CODE OFFICERS.

THE CHALLENGES THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT FACE IN THIS ARE PRETTY BIG. BUT AS FAR AS THE STAFFING IS GOING, YES, I HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT.

TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WITH THE NUMBER DIFFERENCES, SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED INFORM SEPTEMBER.

ALSO WHERE THERE WERE PEOPLE TRYING TO REGISTER, THE PROGRAM DID NOT WORK. AND IT IS JUST MY OPINION BUT I AM PRETTY SURE IF I AM THE ONE DOING IT AND IT WASN'T WORKING, I WOULD THROW MY HANDS UP AND SAY FORGET IT.

BECAUSE THE PROGRAM WASN'T WORKING.

PROBABLY BETWEEN 301 AN 112. A FAIR AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT DID TRY. AND WHEN THE NUMBERS DIDN'T

WORK, THREW OUT THEIR HANDS. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, WHEN YOU SAY DID NOT WORK, THE COMPUTER SYSTEM DID NOT ACCEPT IT WHEN THEY PUT IT IN THERE.

KEPT DENYING IT? >> COULD HAVE BEEN THAT OR

PAYMENT ERRORS. >> THERE WERE MULTIPLE PROBLEMS.

>> RENEWAL DATES. WE CAN'T -- WE CAN'T EXPRESS WHAT A GREAT NIGHTMARE IT HAS BEEN.

>> WHAT WAS HAPPENING FROM MY SIDE.

WE WOULD IDENTIFY PROPERTIES NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

SEND OUT A NOTICE. AND MARKED IN COMPLIANCE AND WE GOT EXCITED. LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS FOR COMPLIANCE. AND PROGRAMS WERE MARKING PROPERTIES NOT IN COMPLIANCE AS COMPLIED.

WE SPENT MORE STAFF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT IN COMPLIANCE THAN THE ACTUAL ENFORCEMENT PART. IT REALLY --

>> THE PROGRAM FROM THE REGISTRATION SIDE I HAVE TO SECOND WHAT LINDA HAS BEEN SAYING, IT IS A NIGHTMARE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SEEMS TO ME WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US TODAY IS WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN CHARGING INITIAL OR RENEWAL. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. THAT IS WHAT IT SEEMS TO ME.

>> RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MADAM MARE, I HAVE A QUESTION. HAD THE -- YOU GUY HAVE MADE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE OUTSOURCING, THE

COMPANIES FAILED CLEARLY. >> CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE, MY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS THERE A SOLUTION? ARE WE MOVING TOWARD A SOLUTION NOW THAT CAN BE HANDLED EXPEDITIOUSLY? IF YOUR -- IF THE COMMENT IS I ARE, AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER, GO IN TEN TIMES TO REGISTER. JEREMIAH KNOWS I AM NOT A TECH GUY, IF IT IS THE SOFTWARE THAT IS OF ISSUE HERE AND THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS DONE AN EARNEST EFFORT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THERE CREATES A WHOLE ENFORCIBILITY ISSUE I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO -- GO DOWN THAT PATH. IS THERE A SOLUTION THAT CAN BE

DEPLOYED RAPIDLY? >> I AM ONE I.T. TICKET AWAY FROM BEING COMPLETELY BUILT OUT AND READY TO GO GO.

WE BUILT EVERYTHING OUT IN OUR EXISTING SYSTEM THAT IS SIMILAR TO THE BUSINESS TAX RIGHT SYSTEM.

I HAVE FIELDS THAT NEED TO POPULATE AND I AM READY TO GO.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: A STAFFING IN PLACE, LINDA, TO

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ADMINISTER THIS. >> YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: IN YOUR OFFICE.

I HAVE GREAT COMFORT IN THAT. THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN A TRAIN WRECK. COMMISSIONER GAINES HAVE NOTICED THE DISCREPANCY. IF THAT IS THE BASIS OF THE DISCREPANCY, WE HAVE A MASSIVE PROBLEM WITH THE APPLICATION THERE. IF YOU ARE THAT CLOSE, WHAT WOULD YOU PROJECT REALISTICALLY FOR A TIMELINE YOUR OFFICE WILL

TAKE IT OVER. >> I AM HOPING BY THE END OF THE WEEK. WE ARE NOT GOING TO WAIT UNTIL WE TERMINATE THE CONTRACT WITH GRANICUS.

DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO CONTINUE WITH SOMETHING BROKEN.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: HAVE A SOLUTION IN PLACE AND CLEAN UP THE MESS AFTER. THAT IS OUR GOAL.

WE REACHED OUT TO ALL THE ONES WHO HAVEN'T REGISTERED.

AND WHO HAVE. WHAT IS DETERMINE.

DID YOU SELL YOUR UNIT. NO LONGER RENTING IT.

WERE YOU HAVING REGISTRATION PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, IT IS GO GOING TO COME SIMPLY AS LIKELY OVER THE PHONE.

WE NEED AN UPDATED LICENSE AND WE ARE GOING TO DO IT AND THAT WILL BE OUR GOAL. YES.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: TO FINALIZE THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING IS THAT WITH A SOLUTION IN PLACE AND KEEP IT IN-HOUSE, I LIKE THE SYNERGY OF THAT A LOT.

AND THESE NUMBERS WILL CHANGE FAIRLY RAPIDLY OPERATIONAL AND PEOPLE CAN DO IT BY MAIL APPEAR AND SOME IN YOUR OFFICE.

WHATEVER THEY CAN TO DO FIX IT. THE TOPIC OF TODAY'S DISCUSSION IS FEE STRUCTURE. WE ARE THROWING DARTS AT THE

BOARD WITH THE LIGHTS TURNED ON. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE CHANGES.

COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD BEFORE HE DOES?

>> PART OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WE HAD WITH THE VACATION RENTAL GROUP WAS THAT SOME OF THE -- ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT REPRESENT A LOT OF PROPERTIES. SOME OF THEIR OWNERS CHOSE NOT TO RENEW WITH THEM. BECAUSE THEY -- THEY FELT THEY WERE GOING TO GO GROUND AS OPPOSED TO PAYING THE REGISTRATION FEE. A DISINCENTIVE FOR THEM TYPICALLY ONE THAT WILL BE RENTING ONE OR TWO TIMES FOR THE YEAR. I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WAS PART

OF THE CONVERSATION. >> I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP WITH THAT THAT EXPRESSED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A ONE-BEDROOM RENTAL AND A FULL HOUSE RENTAL. CONDO WITH ONLY ONE BEDROOM, DIFFERENT TOWNS IN THAT -- THE SLIDE THAT HAVE -- THE SLIDING SCALES ARE BASED ON BEDROOMS. AND $600 FOR A THREE BEDROOM, TWO-BATH HOUSE AND A ONE-BEDROOM CONDO.

THE PRICE DIFFERENCE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: STILL WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. SOMETHING YOU NEED TO BRING PACK US TO AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE THINK IT IS GOING TO COST.

GO AHEAD J. JOHNSON. JO NZ JOH--

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WE KNEW THIS WOULD BE A SLIDING SCALE AND DYNAMIC. WE KNEW THIS WAS COMING.

AND I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS FOR EACH OF YOU.

LINDA, IN YOUR OFFICE, A ONE FTE SITUATION OR THE EQUATION OF TIME IS HALF OR A QUARTER OF A FTE DEDICATED TO THE

ADMINISTRATION PROCESS? >> PROBABLY A QUARTER OF O

ONE FTE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I AM DOING A FORM LAL. A FINANCIAL MASK BALANCE.

>> MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT MORE. NOW THAT I AM BRINGING THAT IN.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: BEFORE YOU SAY A NUMBER.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: DON'T SAY A NUMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER REPRESENTS.

>> 100% NOT A FULL-TIME PERSON. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SAME THING FOR YOU, PEGGY. WE DEDICATED A PERSONNEL.

WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT?

>> WE HAVE HALF -- ONE OF MY FULL-TIMER IS BASED ON A HALF PARKING AND HALF VACATION RENTAL.

>> REMEMBER THAT HALF DEDEDICATED TO ENFORCEMENT.

>> CORRECT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO 24-7.

>> I WANT TO BRING THIS OUT FOR A QUICK -- WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS. THE HOTLINE HAS NOT BEEN UTILIZED TO ITS FULLEST, NUMBER ONE.

NUMBER TWO, WITHOUT QUESTION, THE STATE STATUTE THAT LIARS EVERYONE TO LEAVE THEIR NAME AND ADDRESS I AM QUITE SURE DETERRED

THE COMPLAINTS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WE

KNEW THAT WOULD HAPPEN. >> YOU CALL IN THE HOTLINE, THE HOTLINE CAN TAKE ACTIONS, BUT FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT TO TAKE ACTION, I NEED YOUR FULL NAME AND ADDRESS.

THAT IS THE REASON TO HAVE THAT HOTLINE AND CONTACTED THE PROPERTY MANNER WITH ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS AND TAKE ACTION

WITHOUT GETTING ME INVOLVED. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE REAL NUMBERS -- I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.

I AM GOING TO FORGET THIS QUESTION IF I DON'T SAY IT RIGHT NOW. WHAT WAS THE REAL PER TIME

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PERIOD. >> I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT YOU CAN TELL YOU THIS.

SPENT MORE TIME CORRECTING MISTAKES THAN ACTUAL

ENFORCEMENT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR. YOU SAID IN A MOMENT AGO, "CHALLENGES." I WROTE IT DOWN AND PUT QUOTATIONS AROUND IT, CHALLENGES.

AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IT MESSY.

TO ME THERE ARE TWO INDEPENDENT CONVERSATIONS AND VERY INDEPENDENT OF EACH OTHER. I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONTRACT, GRANICUS, CONTRACT RELATIONSHIP.

IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH ELIMINATING THAT I AM GOOD WITH THAT. A COST ASSOCIATE WITH IT.

PUT IT ON PAPER AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE.

WHAT I DO KNOW AND YOU SAID IT THAT GRANICUS HAVE A NETWORK TO IENTIFY WHAT IS HAPPENING AND HELP YOU IDENTIFY THOSE

PROPERTIES. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I AM GOOD WITH THAT PART TOO.

BECAUSE -- WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF CREATING ALGORITHMS THAT I AM AWARE OF. LET'S NOT DO THAT.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NUMBERS AND I AM DOING A FINANCIAL CALCULATION HERE BUT IN SEPTEMBER -- LAST YEAR, 30 # ACTIVE REGISTRATIONS TIMES $600 $180,000.

>> NOT QUITE. BECAUSE HALF YEAR IT WENT DOWN

TO $#00. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT'S RIGHT. PRORATE, GREATER THAN $120,000 PROBABLY. BUT LOOK AT A BUDGET NUMBER.

WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION. >> 97,500 WHAT WE BROUGHT IN FY '22. $97,500.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU HAVE BEEN HOLDING THAT NUMBER.

>> I HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED FOR THAT EXACT NUMBER JO NZ JOHNSON WE ARE GETTING SOMEWHERE. ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE $100,000.

THE TIME, THE COST, THE RELATIONSHIP TO THE ISSUE AT HAND. TO ME IT IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COLLECTING FEES.

LOOKING AT STRUCTURES. THEY GO OUT.

MAKE AN APPLICATION. GOT AN INSPECTION.

COE BACK. AND THIS IS WHAT I DO.

EASY. VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

SO THOSE NUMBERS, I AM NOT COMPARED OF THE OTHER SLIDE WITH THE NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU HAVE 130.

300 IN COMPLIANCE. 300 TIMES $150 BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL RENEWALS. $45,000.

WE ARE COVERING SOME COSTS HERE AND THE WATER STILL.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: AT THAT NUMBER.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: CORRECT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ONES COMING IN THAT ARE NEW.

WE KNEW IT WOULD BE DYNAMIC AND WE KNEW WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS IT. I AM OKAY WITH SLIDING THE SCALE AND REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY IN THE SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTAL GOTTEN A FEW E-MAIL ABOUT IT.

THE $600. WE KNEW IT WAS A THING WHEN WE ORIGINALLY TALKED ABOUT IT $1200.

REDUCE IT TODAY 600. CONVERSATION FROM ELSEWHERE ABOUT $200. THAT'S OKAY.

HERE WE ARE EVALUATE IT AND DO THE SIMPLE IN AND OUT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THE NUMBERS WILL SPIT OUT WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. THE FIRST TIME VERSUS RENEWAL IS BASED ON INITIAL ADMINISTRATION. LEADING THROUGH THE PROCESS.

IDENTIFYING, EDUCATING, TAKING THE FOLKS DOWN.

THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT BEFORE STAFF TIME.

FILLABLE FORM. CHECK THE BOX SOMETHING HAD NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THE $600. COMPILE IT IN A PACKAGE.

FEASIBLE WITH BEDROOMS WHICH IS A REAL CONVERSATION.

IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE TOO, A LITTLE BIT BUT AGAIN COVERING THE COST AND IMPLEMENT IT INTO OUR ERP.

>> I AM BEGGING NOW. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: OUR

TYLER SYSTEM. >> WAY FAR OUT OF THE BUILD OUT AND I AM BEGGING TO MAKE THIS A PART OF THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ALL THOSE WHO ARE HEARING, MR. MIMMS, AND STAFF, WE WENT WITH TYLER BECAUSE THEY ARE DIVERSE AND CREATE A MODULE TO ENCOMPASS THIS SITUATION.

>> I AM CONVINCING HIM HOW -- >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: JUST SO YOU KNOW, I VOTED FOR THAT BECAUSE I WANTED DYNAMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BUILD IT AND HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE.

I AM WITH CONTRACTS TOO. THIS IS A CONTRACT.

IT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS. I AM READY FOR A NICE NEAT

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE AS A COMMISSION ARE THINKING THAT YOU NEED TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AND HARD EVALUATIONS AND I WANT YOU -- THIS IS A PERSONAL PLEA TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ENCOMPASS EVERYTHING THAT IT TAKES.

BECAUSE DON'T BE. BECAUSE THIS IS -- THIS CAN BE A STRAIN TO THE CITY FOR THIS ACTIVITY IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I KNOW THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMMUNITY SAYS THEY ARE ALSO A BENEFIT BECAUSE THEY BRING VISITORS HERE AND VISITORS SPEND MONEY. I UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND DON'T RENT THEIR HOMES AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE AND DO OWN A HOME AND RENT IT, CORPORATIONS OR WHATEVER.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I THINK IT IS SIMPLE.

NEEDS TO BE COST NEUTRAL TO THE CITY.

THAT IS MY GOAL HERE. AND JEREMIAH -- COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S ANALYSS IS CORRECT, WE NEED THE DAY TOO TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. AND AT THAT POINT THIS TIME YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT AND DO IT WITH PEN AND PAPER AS WHAT THE COST STRUCTURE. I AM EXCITED TO SEE THE NUMBERS AND MAKE THE CONVERSATION IN CONTEXT AND MAKE A QUICK

DECISION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IS EVERYBODY CLEAR WHAT THEY NEED? EVERYBODY GOOD?

[c. Discussion of the 2023 legislative priorities.]

>> NEXT ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF THE 2023 LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL PROJECT COORDINATOR MISS WELLS WHO WILL GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR INITIAL DISCUSSIONS AND INITIAL LIST OF THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FOR THE LEGISLATIVE YEAR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD MORNING, MISS WELLS.

>> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

WE HAD A CHANCE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR NEW LOBBYIST.

RYAN. THOSE WHO NOT MET WITH RYAN, WE HOPE TO SCHEDULE A TEAMS MEET OR ZOOM MEETING SO WE CAN INTRODUCE YOU TO THIS GENTLEMAN SO WE CAN MAKE AN OFFICIAL INTRODUCTION FOR THOSE COMMISSIONERS, BUT BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE DID HAVE WITH SOME OF OUR COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR, WE CAME UP WITH A LITTLE SHORT LIST OF STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CLOSE YOU THIS SUPPORT FOR THE FPUA'S PLAN TO RELOCATE THE WATER, WASTEWATER PLANT.

OUR BEACHES. REDUCE WAYS FOR AFFORDABLE AND RETAINING HOUSING. IMPROVING ACCESSIBILITY TO MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES. EXPANSION AND DEVELOPMENT OF HOMELESS RESOURCES, AND A STRICT COMMITMENT TO YOUTH DEVELOPMENT.

WE APPROACH THE UPCOMING LEGISLATIVE SESSION, A COUPLE OF VERY IMPORTANT DATES WE WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF.

IN JANUARY ON THE 13TH, OUR LOCAL DELEGATION, ST. LUCIE COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION WILL BE MEETING.

AT THAT MEETING, THE CITY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY LIKE OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO PRESENT TO THEM OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES FOR THIS COMMUNITY. THIS MEETING HERE WILL ALLOW US TO DEVELOP MORE FULLY WHAT WE PLAN TO PRESENT TO THEM IN JANUARY. MARCH 7 -- WELL, ON MARCH 7, THE FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE SESSION BEGINS.

AND THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS JUST REALLY QUICK AND BRIEF, BUT ALSO INCLUDED WITH THE AGENDA WERE THE ACTION ITEMS FOR THE -- FOR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY, THE ACTION AGENDA.

AND WE ASK THAT YOU REVIEW THOSE.

AS WE PUT TOGETHER OUR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS ARE INCORPORATED AS WELL IF THAT IS

YOUR WISH. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU MISS MOORE-WELLS. I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE PRIORITIES FOR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES, I WILL BE ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE ADVOCACY FOR THOSE -- BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE DO AS THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES. I ADVOCATE ON THAT FOR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. AND INTERESTED TO LEARN THERE IS ONE ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. NO SURPRISE THERE.

THEY ARE NOT GIVING UP ON THAT. SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION READING THOSE BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BE ASKING FOR A RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THOSE AND SEND.

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THEY SAY WELL, FORT PIERCE APPROVED AND THEY 50,000.

WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE A NEW SENATOR THAT REPRESENTS FORT PIERCE, SENATOR AARON GROHL. AS MR. MIMMS POINTED OUT WE ARE LARGEST CITY IN HER DISTRICT. SO WE SHOULD BE THE BIG DOG.

WE SHOULD BE. 37 AND SO I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT VERO BEACH HAVE JUST AGREED TO MOVE THEIR WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. AND THEY ARE PUTTING IN -- PUTTING IN INCREASES IN THEIR FE FEES ON A GRADUAL BASIS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID IN FORT PIERCE TO BE ABLE TO -- AND THEY ARE DOING IT AT THE SAME TIME SEN SENATOR GRAHL IS FROM VERO AND THAT IS IN THE WORKS.

SHE IS SUPPOSED TO COP TO FORT PIERCE AND MEET WITH FPUA STAFF.

AND DECEMBER 26, TO TAKE A TOUR AND UNDERSTAND INVOLVES IN MOVING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.

ANY QUESTIONS FROM LEGISLATORS? COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: TRANSPORTATION -- GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES. TRANSPORTATION -- I FEEL THAT ONE NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO OUR LIST.

TRANSPORTATION HAS MANY ARMS. MANY LEGS.

AS FAR AS WHAT IS IT LOOKS LIKE FROM FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING HOW ARE WE GOING TO FROM T THE TPO.

AND HOW TO BALANCE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC VEHICLE AND THAT DISCUSSION AND IN THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY ELEMENT THERE, IT TALKS.IDENTIFYING ADDITIONAL TRANSPORTATION REVENUE TO FINANCED INFRASTRUCTURE, FOR EXAMPLE, ELECTRIC VEHICLES. AND SO THERE IS A LOT OF TALK IN THE TPO AND, OF COURSE, IN ALL THE CIRCLES THAT I RUN IN ABOUT WHAT IS TRULY THE TAXPAYERS' RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. IS THERE A RESPONSIBILITY? YOU LOOK AT THE AUTOMOBILE, AND OVER TIME, THE PRIVATE SECTOR VERSUS THE PUBLIC SECTOR? THE GIST OF THE CONVERSATION.

CAME UP IN OUR TPO MEETING AND THE STATE WAS MAKING A PRESENTATION AND I ASKED THEM -- 250U8LY TPO STAFF AND THE STATE.

I ASKED THEM, TELL ME ABOUT THE FEDERAL ELEMENT OF INFRASTRUCTURE NOT ONLY FOR CHARGING STATIONS BUT WHO IS PAYING FOR THE MOLECULES AND THE ELECTRONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE ELECTRICITY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: AND OH, BOY THE WAY, IS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SUPPORTING AND PAYING FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO POWER. THAT MEANS MAYBE AN UPGRADE IN THE TRANSFORMER. MAYBE AN UPGRADE IN THE TRANSMISSION LINE. HOW IS THE GRID HANDLING IT AND IS IT A RESPONSIBILITY OF WHOM IS IT THE GOVERNMENT? TO ME INVESTOR AND.PUBLIC EWE TILLS.

HOW THEY WANT TO MANAGE THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU LOSE THE GAS TAX.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU LOSE THE GAS TAX.

EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.

THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT IS SO -- WIDE.

AND A BIG CONVERSATION. AND THERE IS NOT A GOOD ANSWER RIGHT NOW IN THIS PUSH FOR ALTERNATIVE MODES OF ENERGY OR TRANSPORTATION WITH DIFFERENT SOURCES OF ENERGY.

SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO FORT PIERCE? WELL, TO ME, IT MEANS A LOT OF THINGS AS FAR AS JUST PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND THE ELEMENTS OF SIDEWALKS AND PEDESTRIANS AND, YOU KNOW, OTHER -- YOU KNOW, MICRO MOBILITY.

SO THAT'S WHERE I AM ON ALL THAT A GREAT CONVERSATION AND I SAID I WILL BRING BACK MORE. THAT IS ONE.

I HAVE 15 MORE ON A SHEET OF PAPER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WANT TO ADD A TRANSPORTATION PORTION TO

THIS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: BASED ON THE LAST TPO MEETING, IT WAS A BIG CONVERSATION.

YES, IF YOU ALL ARE GOOD OF THAT.

RAISE A FEW OTHERS I AM SURE. BUT THAT IS IMPORTANT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS MIMMS 34I78Z JUST FOR CLARITY, WHAT IS THE PRIORITY? I DON'T KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SO BROAD.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES IS SO BROAD.

ENCOMPASSES A LOT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MARE, I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE I SAT ON THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES AND TRANSPORTATION WE IT. AS I LOOKED HERE, THEY WRAPPED IT AROUND A LOT WHAT WE SEE OF THE BULLET POINT AND WRAPPED

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IT IS CONVOLUTED. WE TALKED OF TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSPORTATION THAT MADE IT SURE IT WAS INCLUSIVE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MENTAL HEALTH ASPECTS, HOMELESSNESS, RESOURCES, ETC. I KNOW WE AS A LEAGUE WILL BE ADDRESS IT AND A BIGGER PERSPECTIVE HERE AND I MISSED THE LAST T.SHGZO MEETING WHERE YOU GUYS WERE TALKING OF TRANSPORTATION, TPO. IN CONTEXT, PART OF IT IS HERE.

I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE IN PARENTHESES AROUND THESE THINGS TRANSPORTATION NEEDS TO IT BE INCLUDED AND THE TRANSPORTATION ASPECT. MEANING THAT -- IF WE ARE LOOKING AT BUILDING ATTAINABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MR. MIMMS, WE KNOW THAT COMES WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRANSPORTATION NEEDS FOR THAT COMMUNITY AND TO REALLY STRIVE.

MOST PEOPLE PROBABLY WILL NEED SOME TYPE OF TRANSPORTATION TO GET IN AND FROM THOSE WORK ZONES THAT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A CAR. MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES.

MAKING SURE PEOPLE CAN GET TO THE RESPECTIVE PLACES FOR MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES, ETC. THAT WAS KIND OF THE PROCEEDER CONTEXT WE GET INTO AT OUR ACTUAL T.SHGZO MEETINGS.

WE HAD THE MICRO MOBILITY PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY ARE TRYING TO CONNECT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE MOBILITY ACCESS TO GET THERE.

THAT IS WHAT I MEAN OF BROADER CONTEXT.

IN OUR MEETINGS WE WOULD TALK OF MENTAL HEALTH AND A TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT. HOW TO GET PEOPLE THERE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALSO BACKGROUND FOR THAT PRIORITY THAT MAY ALSO HELP YOU THINK IT THROUGH TOO. LEAGUE HAS JUST THE PRIORITY AND THEN THEY GIVE THE BACKGROUND OF THE ISSUE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON COVERED IT, MR. MIMMS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ON A COUNTY LEVEL, WE ARE ABOUT 10% OF ALL THE ROAD NETWORKS OWNED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, D.O.T.

IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. BROWARD COUNTY, FOR EXAMPLE, IT IS ALMOST 50%. THE STATE DEDICATES A LOT OF RESOURCE TO OTHER COUNTIES BECAUSE THEY HAVE A WIDER ROAD NETWORK. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE LOOKS LIKE AND FEELS LIKE AND OUR PERCENTAGE BECAUSE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WHERE THE D.O.T.

CAN BE MORE CREATIVE HOW WE FUND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND A LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW AND SELL UP AND TALK ABOUT IT. WE TALK OF OUR ROADS MANY DAYS, AND HOW TO BUILD AND REBUILD AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE SURTAX IS DOING. WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE PARTNERS. PART OF THE LEGISLATIVE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DIDN'T THE ACCOUNT BRING US TO WHEN WE HAD THAT JOINT MEETING. AT SOME POINT HOW MUCH THE COUNTY WOULD SPEND ON THEIR ROADS INSTEAD OF INSIDE THE CITY

OF FORT PIERCE. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS AN INTERESTING NUMBER TOO.

BROWARD COUNTY AND ALMOST NO UNINCORPORATED COUNTY.

THEY ARE ALMOST CITIES. THEY ALMOST HAVE NO -- A PECULIAR LAR THING IN BROWARD. I WANT TO BRING UP ONE THING, MAY BE THE THIRD RAIL, BUT THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX.

YOU SIT ON THAT COUNCIL. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I DO.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SOMETHING CONTROLLED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE, GOES TO THE COUNTY AND GETS DISBURSED.

AM I READING THAT RIGHT, LEE? JO NZ JOHNSON DON'T WE GET THE

REPORT FROM. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: I BELIEVE WE GET OUR REPORTS FROM THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT OF ST.

LUCIE COUNTY. THAT IS WHERE THE REPORTS COME

FROM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: TRYING TO REMEMBER WHY IT IS THAT THE COUNTY GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THE TOURIST TAX. STATE LEGISLATURE OR JUST.

I THOUGHT I KNEW AND NOW I AM NOT SURE THAT I KNOW.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ME EITHER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE

WANTED TO FIND OUT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THE

DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK:

BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE MONEY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE

FORMULA IS MADE LOCALLY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE FORMULA IS MADE LOCALLY. WITH OUR INCREASE I BELIEVE WE HAVE MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAN THE REST OF THE COUNTY AND WITH KINGS LANDING WITH A HOTEL. WE ARE GOING TO BE A MAJOR CONTRIBUTOR TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: FOUR YEARS AGO WAS 60% VERSUS 40% FOR

THE REST OF THE COUNTY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CORRECT.

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>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I HAVEN'T DUG IN DEEPER BUT I WILL GET THOSE NUMBERS. >MAYOR HUDSON: IT WILL BE

INTERESTING TO LOOK AT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE ON

THE TDC. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ADD IT TO THE LIST. WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT AND BRING

IT BACK. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THIS GOES TO THE DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH TRANSPORTATION AND THE BULLET POINTS. WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE A -- A STRATEGIC PRIORITIES WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE ELDERLY.

WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PRESSURE ALWAYS FOR FUNDING TO TAKE CARE OF THE ELDERLY OF FORT PIERCE.

WE ALL GOT AN E-MAIL LAST WEEK WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO CUT SERVICES FOR THE ELDERLY. AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE, ATTAINABLE HOUSING. TALK OF MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES.

MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BROUGHT UP TRANSPORTATION.

IF YOU GO AROUND NOW AND LOOK AT MOST OF RIDERS ON THE TRANSPORTATION GOING AROUND FORT PIERCE RIGHT NOW ARE OUR ELDERLY. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER FUNDING IS COMING FROM TALLAHASSEE FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR WHATEVER CONTINUES TO BE MAINTAINED AND NOT CUT.

IF IT CAN BE INCREASE IN ANY WAY BECAUSE THE ELDERLY ARE A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU NO THEY AS ONE WHO IS TAKING CARE OF TWO ELDERLY PARENTS, QUITE OBVIOUS THAT SOMETHING THAT I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT JUST SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS DRIVING AT NIGHTTIME IS A BIG DEAL FOR A LOT OF ELDERLY AND A LOT OF ELDERLY NEED GOVERNMENT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT THROUGH THE DAY.

SO I ALWAYS WANT TO SEE SOMETHING.

YOU CAN PUT A LITTLE TAB, ELDERLY.

MAKE ENOUGH BULLET -- WE ALWAYS NEED TO FIGHT FOR OUR ELDERLY BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL A BIG PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND. YES, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO -- TO RENT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE S TT THAT THEY MIGHT COME TO KI LANDING. MOST OF THEM ARE HAPPY WHERER SO TO SPEAK. EVERYBODY STALKING ABOUT LEGISL LEGISLATURES IT IS STILL FLORIDA AND EVERYBODY MOVES HERE AND MAKE FORT PIERCE A GREAT RETIREMENT COMMUNITY AND RETIREES THAT WILL STAY HERE AND THEY WILL NEED OUR HELP. AND THE MONEY FOR -- FOR THE ELDERLY. SO LET'S JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU CAN JUDGE A HUMAN BEING IN A SOCIETY HOW THEY TREAT THEIR VETERANS AND HOW THEY TREAT THEIR SENIORS.

BECAUSE THEY HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO OUR -- TO OUR CITY, AND THEY -- THEY -- SO I THINK WE GOT YOUTH DEVELOPMENT.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SENIOR SERVICES, RIGHT.

EXACTLY. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: BECAUSE IT IS JUST NEEDED. ELDERLY/VETERANS.

I AGREE WITH THAT. THE LAST THING I HATE SEEING IS WALKING AROUND AND NOT JUDGE ANYBODY.

BUT WHEN YOU SEE A VETERAN HOLDING A SIGN ASKING FOR A CUP OF COFFEE. I MEAN, WE REALLY NEED TO STOP SOMETIMES AND LOOK AND SAY THIS GUY OR FEMALE REALLY WANTED TO PUT THEIR LIFE AT RISK IF N NEEDED, JUST SOMETHING THAT -- I KNOW PERSONALLY IF WE CUT FUNDS TO SOME OF THESE ELDERLY PROGRAMS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME OLD PEOPLE OR ELDERLY PEOPLE SITTING A THE HOME NOT EATING.

I WILL JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU. WE ARE LOOKING GOOD BECAUSE WE ARE BUILDING EVERYTHING UP. AND WE GOT PEOPLE STARVING.

ELDERLY STARVING. LET'S JUST ALWAYS ASK -- EVEN IF THEY SAY NO, WE HAVE DONE OUR JOB TO ASK FOR IT.

AND YOU KNOW -- TO ASK FOR IT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE ALL BLESSED ONE DAY TO REACH ELDERLY AGES WE ARE GOING TO GET THERE -- YOU ARE NOT THERE, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, WE ARE

GETTING THERE -- >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: WHAT

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE GETTING OLDER AND OLDER.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YOU ARE NOT THERE.

IF WE ARE BLESSED TO GET TO OUR 80S AND 90S, WE MAY NEED HELP ALSO. I WANT IT TO BE IN PLACE AND I DON'T WANT TO FORGET THOSE WHO ARE HERE NOW WHO HAVE BUILT FORT PIERCE TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE FORT PIERCE GREATER AND THEY BUILT FORT PIERCE AND I DON'T WANT TO TURN

OUR BACKS ON THEM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD CONVERSATION. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC?

[d. City Commission Boards and Committee assignment discussion.]

>> NEXT ITEM IS CITY COMMISSION BOARD AND CITY ASSIGNMENT

DISCUSSIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I WANT TO SAY THAT I STUDIED THIS AND LOOKED AT MINE AND LOOKED AT EVERYBODY AND WHERE I SIT, I AM GOOD WITH THE STATUS QUO INCLUDING -- I KNOW COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. I GOT TO KNOW HIM AS HE WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND I AM THINKING THAT COMMIS COMMISSIONER PERONA ASSIGNMENTS LOOK LIKE THEY ARE PRETTY GOOD FOR YOU. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: COMMISSIONER GAINES IS GETTING A CHUCKLE IN THAT, MAY BE SOMETHING THAT I AM NOT

REMEMBER. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I JUST REMEMBER THIS LAST -- MY FIRST TIME WHEN I GOT THIS SHEET.

AND I WAS LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS THIS? NOBODY TOLD ME ABOUT ALL THIS. THAT'S WHAT I AM LAUGHING ABOUT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT, BEING BRAND-NEW TO THE PROCESS, I AM GOING TO SUGGEST THE SAME THING. JUST KEEP THE TEMPLATE STATUS QUO. AND I CAN GET TOGETHER WITH THE CITY MANAGEMENT TEAM TO TELL ME HOW MUCH I HAVE TO CARVE OUT OF

MY SCHEDULE TO DEAL WITH THIS. >> IT IS ALL RIGHT HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I AM PERFECTLY FINE WITH KEEP IT

STATUS QUO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ALREADY

SERVE ON THE PARKING COMMITTEE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK:

CORRECT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE FAMILIAR

WITH THAT ISSUE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: INTIMATELY. IT'S FINE.

WHAT THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND REQUIREMENTS ARE.

OF COURSE I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH FORMER COMMISSIONER PERONA.

WE CAN BRING ME UP TO SPEED AS WELL.

I AM GOOD. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS. ANY WANTS OR WISHES? ANYBODY WANT TO DO TRADING? EVERYBODY GOOD WITH WHAT THEY HAVE? EVERYBODY GOOD.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM GOOD, MADAM MAYOR.

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I EVEN VOLUNTEERED TO BE ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE FOR THE TREASURE COAST COUNCIL OF LOCAL

GOVERNMENTS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

GOOD FOR YOU. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I MUST HAVE BEEN ASLEEP THAT NIGHT WHEN I HIT THAT E-MAIL AND TIRED.

THEY WERE SHOCKED WHEN THEY GOT THAT E-MAIL.

THEY ACCEPT TAMPA IMMEDIATELY AND GOT BACK REAL QUICK.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE SMARTER THAN YOU THINK BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE AN OFFICER IF YOU ARE ON THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE.

>> YOU GET TO A NUMBER NATE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I LOOK FORWARD TO STAYING ON THE SAME BOARDS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT --

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> EASIEST HE IS EVER. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT WAS EASY.

>> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY MEMBER OF PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ISSUE? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. AND MISS COX WILL GIVE YOU A

WARNING. >> CHARLIE WILSON.

CITY MANAGER IS VERY KIND. ON MONDAY WE DID A PUBLIC -- HERE IS THE HISTORY. A CLIENT CAME TO ME AND SAID THEY WERE LOOKING AT HOW BRIGHT CITY OF FORT PIERCE'S FUTURE WAS AND WANTED TO MOVE ESSENTIALLY AN OFFICE HERE.

WE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT OFFICES.

I SAID THE GREATEST PLACE RIGHT THERE ON CAMPUS AT CITY HALL.

AND SO MY CLIENT SAID, WELL, GO CHECK IT OUT.

SO ON MONDAY, I WROTE A PUBLIC INFORMATION REQUEST TO FIND OUT THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE FOURTH FLOOR OF THE BUILDING.

THAT SET OFF A SCURRY OF ACTIVITY WHERE AFTER 16 YEARS, ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW WE HAVE A CONTRACT PENDING FOR THE FOURTH FLOOR WELL, THIS IS ALSO AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT IS LIKE TO SIT IN THE AUDIENCE AND KNOW THE ANSWER TO A QUESTION AND NOT BE ABLE TO TELL YOU. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY CLIENT HAS ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST IN COMPETING FOR OFFICE SPACE WITH A GOVERNMENT OFFICE THAT CAN OVERDRAW THEIR BANK ACCOUNT BY $31 TRILLION. SO -- SO WE WILL GO GO FIND OURSELVES SOME PLACE ELSE TO LIGHT.

BUT I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT YOU MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY HAVE $31 TRILLION THAT WE DON'T HAVE. SO -- SO YOU MADE THE RIGHT DECISION AND TOO BAD I WASN'T ABLE TO STAND UP SAYING, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE WILL GO ACROSS THE STREET.

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I HAVE A GREAT SPACE. AN IDEA OF USING.

THE LAW FIRMS SAID THIS WOULD BE A GREAT SPACE FOR US, BUT NOT COMPARED TO $31 TRILLION. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE CITY COMMISSION. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES,

SIR. >> MY NAME IS RUSSELL -- SO AFFORDABLE HOUSING -- GOOD TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR HOMELESS REASONS, TRANSPORTATION SERVICE AND TO -- IT HELPS PEOPLE BECOME MORE SUCCESSFUL THE BIGGEST CELEBRITIES AND THE BIGGEST SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE, PEOPLE INVENTING THINGS HAVE BEEN SEVERELY MENTALLY ILL. ONCE HOMELESS.

OUR ANCESTORS. A LOT OF OUR ANCESTORS NO MATTER WHAT COLOR THEY WERE WHEN THEY ARE HOMELESS, WE SHOULD NOT FORGET ABOUT WHERE WE CAME FROM AND WHO MA HID US US AND WHO MADE A BETTER LIFE FOR US. THEY WERE ALL ONCE HOMELESS.

THEY WERE ALL ONCE SEVERELY MENTAL HEALTH.

A LOT OF PEOPLE OF TODAY THERE IS A HUGE -- IN AMERICA, A HUGE CONNECT OF LIFE ITSELF AND REALITY AND THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE GO THROUGH. THE TYPE OF NEGATIVITY THAT MAN FEST AND AFFECTS THE WORLD AND OUR PEOPLE.

I THINK THAT IS WHERE GOD IS HERE WITH THE LACK OF FUNDS FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE. GETTING RID OF THE FUNDS FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS THE SAME KINDS HUGE LACK OF EMPATHY THAT MANNI TESTED INTO OTHER GROUPS OF -- MANIFESTED INTO OTHER GROUPS OF PEOPLE, OTHER GROUPS OF MINORITIES.

I -- I ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT IS GREAT TO HAVE MORE WAY FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR AND MINORITIES TO HAVE A VOICE IN EMPLOYMENT.

I FEEL THAT WHEN THERE IS EMPLOYMENT OF ANYWHERE GOVERNMENTAL OR THERAPY, WE HAVE TO HOLD OUR TONGUES A LOT AND PEOPLE OF NOT FAIR FOR PEOPLE OF COLOR.

LEAVES ROOM FOR ABUSE. LEAVES ROOM FOR NEGLECT.

I REMEMBER GOING TO A MENTAL HOSPITAL.

AND I WAS CONSTANTLY TALKED DOWN TO.

THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY, BECAUSE NO PEOPLE LIKE ME.

NO PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO WE WERE QUEER LIKE ME.

THEY TOLD ME HORRIBLE THINGS. THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.

IT MADE ME MORE SUICIDAL. MANY TIMES I TRIED TO TAKE MY LIFE AND I WAS SERIOUS ABOUT IT. THERE WAS NOTHING -- NOTHING I FELT LIKE I COULD DO UNTIL THEY HAVE NEW PEOPLE IN THERE THAT COULD HELP ME. NEW PEOPLE WHO WERE PEOPLE OF CLO ALREADY AND PEOPLE WHO WERE LBGTQ AT THE SAME TIME.

HOW MANY MORE MINUTES DO I HAVE? THIS IS IT?

>>MAYOR: THAT'S IT, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE? >> LARRY WINTER, CRESSVIEW DRIVE, FORT PIERCE. ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

THANK LINDA AND PEGGY. I WAS ONE OF THE GROUPS THAT MET WITH HER LAST WEEK AND TALKED ABOUT IT.

WE WANT TO WORK WITH YOU. THE 250, 150, AS FAR AS THE 250 INITIAL FEE AND THEN $150 IS AN EASY NUMBER THAT MAKES IT GOOD FOR EVERYONE. I KNOW MADAM MAYOR YOU SAY CORPORATIONS, I LIVE HERE. I GET INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY.

MICHAEL PROD RI-- BRODERICK, YO HAVE A PLACE INCH MAPLE VILLAGE AND SEASCAPE AND SOMETHING IN OCEAN VILLAS OR THE GOLF VILLAS, THAT IS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH.

IF YOU WANT PEOPLE TO TRULY COME OUT AND SUPPORT IT, LET'S MA PARTICULAR REASONABLE AND AFFORDABLE FOR ALL SIDES ON IT.

I AM A LITTLE GEEK SOMETIMES ON NUMBER, MR. BRODERICK, YOU MAY APPRECIATE THAT. THEY SAID THEY HAVE 301 ACTIVE REGISTRATIONS. 80% OF THAT WAS IN OCEAN VILLAGE. YOU TALK OF POLICING, TRASH AND NOISE. OCEAN VILLAGE WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF. 80%.

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WE SPENT WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON ALL OF THIS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

MORE ITEM. >> THE CITY COMMISSION BOARDS

AND COMMITTEE UPDATES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WELL SPEAKING OF BOARD AND COMMITTEES, WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I WILL GO.

MADAM MAYOR, MOST OF MY BOARDS DID NOT MEET SINCE OUR LAST CONFERENCE AGENDA MEETING; HOWEVER, LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET HOSTED CHRISTMAS AT MORRIS CREEK THIS WEEKEND.

WE GAVE AWAY OVER 100 BIKES, TOYS, TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF POPCORN AND HOT DOGS. I WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE SORORITIES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAME OUT TO HELP US. A LOT OF KIDS WENT AWAY SMILING.

THERE WERE SOME REALLY NICE BIKES.

WE EVEN CAME AWAY. AND DRONES AND I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO SUPPORT SUPPORTED WITH US WITH THE GIFTS AND THE GOOD AND SHE WILL COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE BOARD AND GIVE AN OFFICIAL REPORT ON THE ENTIRE EVENT.

WE DIDN'T MEET, BUT WE DID HAVE CHRISTMAS AT MORRIS CREEK.

SO THAT WILL BE MY REPORT ON COMMITTEE BOARDS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. YOU ARE NEXT.

J. JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: LET'S SEE. TDC.

WE DIDN'T MEET BECAUSE OF HURRICANE NICOLE AND WE ARE MEETING WEDNESDAY OF THIS WEEK. I WILL FIND OUT INFORMATION MADAM MAYOR AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER.

MAIN STREET, A PHENOMENAL EVENT WITH SIGHTS AND SOUNDS WITH COMBINATION WITH THE FORT PIERCE KIWANIS.

VERY EXCITING. IN MY SIX YEARS, I FELT LIKE IT WAS THE MOST ATTENDED BY THE PUBLIC IN THE LAST SIX YEARS ANYWAY. IT WAS HUGE.

I AM GETTING SHAKES AND YESES AND SOME AGREEMENTS OUT THERE.

BECAUSE FOLKS LINED UP EVERYWHERE.

WE HAD OUR FRIDAY FEST CONTINUE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE OUTSTANDING. LET'S SEE, 500 ORANGE, WE ARE HAVING AN EVENT IN FEBRUARY THROUGH MAIN STREET, WITH I IS A REVERSE RAFFLE WHICH IS ALWAYS A WELL ATTENDED EVENT AND FUN OCCASION. LET'S SEE, THE DBA.

A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT THE DBA.

I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND STIRRED UP SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN AND SOME INTEREST THERE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A GROUP AND OFFICER SPOTS IS EXCITED ABOUT, I KNOW, THAT IS GOING TO COME DOWN AND START, AT LEAST PRELIMINARILY, START DOING THE CAR SHOWS ON THE SECOND THURSDAY EVENINGS.

WHY SPOTS IS EXCITED. I AM EXCITED TOO BECAUSE I USED TO LIKE THAT WHEN IT WAS THE CLASSIC CARS.

A NEW GROUP COMING DOWN. I THINK THEY ARE GOING THROUGH THE PERMIT PROCESS AND WRAPPING UP SOME OF THE PERMITS IN THE CITY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL RECURRING MONTHLY EVENT. WE WILL SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

TPO. MENTIONED SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS AT TPO. THE DOT AND TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE, THE IMPORTANCE OF THE EVER CHANGING OF THE ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WE HAD CONVERSATIONS OF MIDWAY PIKE INTERCHANGES. FUNDING ELEMENTS.

ENTERPRISE IN A TWO-PHASE PROCESS AND IN CONNECTION WITH THE WIDE ING OF MIDWAY ROAD IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

DID IT TWO STAGES BECAUSE MIDWAY ROAD WASN'T ON THEIR FUNDING MAP. WASN'T A THING ON THEIR FIVE YEAR, TEN-YEAR MAP. BUT WITH NICE PRESSURE FROM THE TPO AND TPOS AND THE CITIES AND FORT PIERCE AND ST. ST.

LUCIE COUNTY, IT IS MOVING ALONG NOW.

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE FIRST PAGE OF THE INTERCHANGE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE -- LET ME MAKE SURE I GET IT RILE MUR MBD. NORTHBOUND INTERCHANGE MAKES

SENSE PAUSE A POPULATION THING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THEY WANT TO GET THE TRAFFIC OFF OF OCTUPLET ROAD.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WANT TO GET THE TRAFFIC OFF OF OKEECHOBEE ROAD. ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THE OKEECHOBEE ROAD INTERCHANGE. THAT IS MORE TO COME.

I DON'T HAVE DETAILS ON THAT AND THAT IS GOOD FOR OUT CITY.

LAST ONE IS THE CHAMBER. WE JUST A MEETING LAST WEEK.

WE HAD A FEW THINGS THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN AND THAT GROUP WAS EXCITED TO HEAR IT. THEY ARE EXCITED.

THEY LIKE FORT PIERCE. AND THE OTHER ELEMENT OF CONVERSATION THAT COME UP AND MR. MIMMS, YOU AND I NEED TO TALK ABOUT THIS FOR THAT INSTANCE IS THE SEVEN GABLES HOUSE. THE HISTORY AND FUTURE OF SEVEN GABLES MR. REALS IS IN THE AUDIENCE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE CHAMBER IS MOVING TO FORT PIERCE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT IS RIGHT, YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: QUINCY OR RHODE ISLAND.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GLAD YOU SAID THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: CAN I BE RECOGNIZED AND JUMP IN REAL QUICK. I JUST -- I FORGOT TO SAY IT.

TREASURE COAST RESEARCH DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DESERTA. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I GET THAT -- I RAISED MY HAND FOR THAT ONE?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I GLADLY GAVE YOU THAT,

COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I MEANT TO ASK THAT DURING THE TIME. I JUST REMEMBERED THAT.

OKAY, THANKS, COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NO PROBLEM. A GREAT ONE.

>> YOU ARE GOOD. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THEY VICE PRESIDENT MET. MARY HE IS SHARING.

COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO NEXT.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL BE BRIEF.

DEFER ON THE FIRE BOARD. I WILL DEFER ON THE -- THE PORT AUTHORITY DID NOT MEET. THE ROUND TABLE DID MEET.

WE HAVE VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSIONS THERE WITH THE ROUNDTABLE SPECIFICALLY WITH CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND FUNDING MECHANISM.

JUST IT CONTINUE TO KNOW THAT I WILL BRIEF YOU UPDATES VERY SOON WITH THAT. THEY DID JUST HAVE THEIR -- WHAT WE CALL A YOUTH CON WHICH IS THE -- A YOUTH LED EXPERIENCE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO HAVE YOUTH COME TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT THE SOCIAL AND EMOTIONAL CHALLENGES AND HEAR FROM THE YOUTH AND ENGAGE FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT NEEDS TO BE HEARD AND I THINK ALSO BEGIN TO DEVELOP THOSE ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES WITH THEM.

THAT WAS JUST THIS PAST WEEKENDS AND I HEAR IT WAS VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL. IT WAS HELD ON THE ON THE STEM BUILDING CAMPUS IN PORT ST. LUCIE.

TPO. WE HEARD FROM THAT.

TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING, I DON'T HAVE A PARTICULAR REPORT AT THIS POINT. I WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER ADD THAT THIS COMING SATURDAY, THE LATE COMMISSIONER RUFUS ALEXANDER'S FAMILY WILL CONTINUE IN THEIR FAMILY OF PROVIDING IN THE TRADITION OF TOYS AND BICYCLES AND STUFF IN HIS NAME IN HONOR OF 25TH AND AVENUE Q. SO THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS ALSO OF PULLING TOGETHER TOYS, BIKE, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND FOOD ITEMS. IF YOU ARE AVAILABLE, I KNOW THE FAMILY WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU STOP BY.

BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 12 AND 3 AT THE CORNER 256TH AND AVENUEQ THAT THAT FAMILY OWNS. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USUALLY STOPS BY AND I AM GOING TO BE THERE AND ANOTHER OTHER ORGANIZATIONS. CALLY ALEXANDER IS COORDINATING THAT THIS YEAR AND ALWAYS A GREAT TIME.

I WANT TO BRING THAT UP IN HONOR OF LATE COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER AND ALSO THIS COMING TUESDAY WILL BE A MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SAMUEL TONY BARNES, WHO SERVE THIS CITY AS THE PURCHASING DIRECT ARE FOR MANY YEARS TONY HAD A VERY UNEXPECTED AND SUDDEN DEMISE LAST WEEK. HE HAS TRANSITIONED.

SO AT MOUNT OLIVE MISSIONARY BAPTIST THAT ARE A COUPLE OF

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TUESDAY, MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER IS THIS SATURDAY, THE 17TH?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM.

THE 17TH. I DID GET SOMETHING -- AT THE PAL CENTER. THEY DO THE HAIRCUTS FOR CHRISTMAS. MARY AND I GO BY.

THAT IS COMING UP AS WELL. TOP-FLIGHT -- TOP ELITE.

THAT IS COMING UP THIS THURSDAY. 21ST.

YES. 21ST.

WHATEVER THE 21ST IS. THEY DO THAT.

THAT IS A GOOD TIME TOO WITH THE YOUNG PEOPLE GETTING THE HAIRCUTS AND STUFF. I AM JUST -- SO MUCH GOING ON IN OUR COMMUNITY AN SO MANY PEOPLE THIS TIME OF YEAR AND I KNOW PASTOR HAZEL HAVE SOMETHING COMING UP.

KIT'S CANDY HAVE SOMETHING COMING UP.

PEOPLE THAT POUR IN THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE SOME BRIGHTNESS FOR THE I DON'T YOU THINK PEOPLE FOR CHRISTMAS.

AND THANK THEM WHO IS DOING THAT.

SO MANY YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM ALL, RIGHT.

YOU CAN'T. YOU JUST CAN'T.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SUPER CALENDARS. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

I WANTED TO MENTION THAT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

BRODERICK. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I DON'T, BUT NEGLECTED IN THE COMMITTEE AND BOARD ASSIGNMENTS EARLIER, AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS UP AND RUNNING, THE ORANGE AVENUE CORRIDOR ASSOCIATION. PAT MURPHY IS THE CHAIR OF THAT FOR A LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION.

HE HAS A BOARD OF DIRECTORS IN PLACE.

I SPOKE TO THEM -- I AM AN ORIGINAL MEMBER OF THAT.

IT IS MADE UP OF PROPERTY OWNERS ON ORANGE AVE LOOKING TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. I KNOW THIS IS MORE OF A PRIVATE ENTERPRISE GROUP AND SPECIFICALLY PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE BEGINNING AND MORPHED INTO CENTRAL DEVELOPERS OREGON RANG AVENUE. FOLKS FROM NICK'S OFFICE AT THE LAST MEETING WHICH WAS BENEFICIAL.

I BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF LIAISONING DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY COMMISSION. I KNOW A BIG CONCERN OF COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S AS WELL. THEY WERE INCLINE TO SAY YES, THEY WOULD ENJOY THAT ENGAGEMENT IN SOME CAPACITY.

THEIR NAME IS IN THE HAT TO PARTICIPATE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE ALREADY IT ALREADY.

YOU DID DBA WHICH IS A PRIVATE. YOU WANT TO BE A LIAISON.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I KNOW IT IS A BIG CONCERN OF COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WAY OF THAT. I PARTICIPATE AS A PROPERTY OWNER REALISTICALLY THE REASON I WAS THERE.

THAT WAS NINE MONTHS AGO. I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO CONTINUE IN THAT METHODOLOGY AND SOME POINT IN TIME A DISCUSSION THAT CHANGE WILL BE MADE, I AM HAPPY TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AS WELL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU OKAY WITH HIM CONTINUING.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I AM OKAY AND EXCITED ABOUT HEARING ABOUT THIS OPPORTUNITY. BECAUSE THAT TRANSCENDS THROUGH DISTRICT 1 AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT.

MORE OR LESS KNOWING WHAT IS GOING ON.

I FIGURED WE WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE NOT EVEN PARTICIPATING BUT KNOWING WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED AND BE CAREFUL OF SUNSHINE AND ALL

THAT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: IF THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO REPORT ON THE ACTIVITIES AND WHAT THEY ARE UP TO.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ATTENDED THE TREASURE COAST ORIENTATION.

THE LEAGUE OF CITIES ORIENTATION.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I FOUND IS VERY VALUABLE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, MAKE THE -- MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THAT FAR.

[LAUGHTER] >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WHERE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AS AN ALTERNATE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE DON'T VOTE ON ANYTHING, BUT CONSENSUS.

THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THANK

YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHT.

IS THAT IS IT? EVERYBODY.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THIS I THINK SO THAT I WANT TO GO OVER.

ONE IS THE FIRE BOARD. TOMORROW, WE WILL BE DECIDING ON THE PROCESS OF PICKING A NEW CHIEF.

AND THAT PROCESS WILL PROBABLY END SOME TIME IN MAY.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE VOTING ON AND SO JUST -- JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT. AND THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETS IN SEBASTIAN FOR LUNCH.

EVERYBODY IS INVITED IF YOU WANT TO DRIVE TO SEBASTIAN AND HAVE LUNCH. SO THAT IS NOT JUST FOR BOARD MEMBERS. THAT IS FOR ALL OF US.

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SO I WANTED TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE FMIT MEETING THAT I ATTENDED THIS PAST WEEK. THEY GAVE A REPORT ON HURRICANE IAN. AND SO I THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THE FACT THAT THREE COUNTIES, LEE COUNTY, CHARLOTTE COUNTY AND SARASOTA, THERE WERE $2 BILLION WORTH OF VALUE OF PROPERTY EXPOSURE FROM FMIT AND TOOK A $200 MILLION HIT. THOSE ARE THE CITIES THEY ENSURE. $200 MILLION HIT.

AND WE LEARNED -- THEY HAVE A CHART THEY GIVE US AND TALK ABOUT DISASTER OVER 20 YEARS AND THINGS THAT MADE AN IMPACT.

AND INTERESTS TO ME THAT FRANCIS AND JEAN NEVER MAKE THAT 2005, RITA, WILMA -- I NEVER HEARD OF RITA BUT APPARENTLY SHE IS REALLY BAD CAUSED $85 MILLION WORTH OF DAMAGE.

IN 2017, HARVEY, IRMA AND MARIA, $112 MILLION.

IN 2021, IDA AND THE TEXAS FREEZE, $85 MILLION.

IN 2022, IAN ALONE IS $70 MILLION IN TERMS OF -- AND I THINK THAT -- I THINK I WROTE THAT FIGURE DOWN.

I THINK IT IS MORE THAN THAT. ANYWAY, IN TERM OF OUR REINSURANCE. WE HAVE 227% INCREASE IN REINSURANCE LOSSES, FMIT. WHICH ALL OF THIS MEANS THAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS GOING TO HAVE A HUGE RATE INCREASE NEXT YEAR BUT SO IS EVERYBODY -- EVERYBODY IS IN THE SAME BOAT.

EVEN IF WE WENT TO ANOTHER INSURER.

THEY WOULD BE IN THE SAME BOAT BECAUSE OF RECENT LOSSES INCLUDING MOSTLY IAN. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR STAFF -- OUR STAFF MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN.

WILL HAVE A CONFERENCE ON MAY 17 AND 19 FOR RISK MANAGERS AND GOING TO INCLUDE -- THE REGISTRATION IS GOING TO START IN FEBRUARY. THE FEES AROUND 250 TO $300 AND THEY WILL HAVE IT AT THE LUMINARY HOTEL IN FORT MYERS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WOW. >>MAYOR HUDSON: FORT MYERS HAVE KIND OF PUT THEMSELVES TOGETHER FOR THE MOST PART.

THE PLACE THAT ARE REALLY SUFFERING ARE SANIBEL AND CAPE CORAL AND THE BARRIER ISLANDS THERE, SO ANYWAY, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OUR RISK MANAGEMENT STAFF KNOWS THAT.

IT SOUNDS LIKE A REALLY GOOD LEARNING OPPORTUNITY AND IN YOUR BUDGET THAT YOU SHOULD ATTEND AND YOU GET TO STAY AT THE LUMINARY HOTEL. AND I THINK THAT IS IT FOR MY -- FOR MY REPORT. AND SO UNLESS THERE IS ANYTHING FOLLOWS THE GOOD OF THE ORDER, WE WILL BE.

WE WILL BE ADJOURNING. IF EVERYBODY IN THE CHAIRMAN PERCENT WILL BE LEAVING, WE WILL BE PACKING

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.