Dec 12, 2022 Planning Board

>> PRESENT. >> MR. BURGE.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MR. EDWARDS.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MR. HEANING.

>> CHAIRMAN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MR. KREISAL ARE -- IS AB -- ABSENT?

>> MR. KREISAL AND MR. MR. HEENING CALLED IN FOR A

REASONABLE EXPLANATION. >> MR. HEENING IS A NEW BOARD MEMBER AND UH -- APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PROPER INTRODUCTIONS. I THINK HE GOT WORD OF THE APPOINTMENT KIND OF LATE AND HAD A PREVIOUS ENGAGEMENT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> OKAY.

WE DON'T NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABSENTEES.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF MINUTES OR COMMENTS.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BURGE AND SECOND BY MS. CLEMENTS.

>> MS. CLEMENTS. >> .

>> MR.ED BARRED -- EDWARDS. >> YES.

>> CHAIRMAN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> ALICIA DID A BIG FAVOR FOR ME SOME OF YOU WATCHED THE MEETING, I KNOW. I WATCHED A COUPLE OF FOLKS HERE THAT I KNOW WATCH THE MEETINGS AND I WAS BEING PICKED ON ENDLESSLY, AND I WANT YOU TO FEEL SORRY FOR ME IF YOU HAPPEN TO COME UP WITH THE PODIUM TO SPEAK TODAY.

REMEMBER, I WAS PICKED ON IN OUR LAST MEETING.

I'M TERRIBLE WITH NAMES. ALICIA DID ME A BIG FAVOR AND SHE PHONETICALLY -- PHONETICALLY, WHAT IS THE PROPER WORD? PHONETICALLY? SHE WROTE OUT MR. KREISAL'S LAST NAME SO I COULD PRONOUNCE IT.

AND NOW HE'S NOT HERE. I'M GOING TO SAVE THAT THOUGH.

[a. Future Land Use Map Amendment - Millcreek - Orange Avenue]

OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS ITEM 6A.

IN THIS PART OF THE MEETING WE ARE ACTING AS THE HEARING OF THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. WE HAVE TWO FUNCTIONS ON THIS BOARD AND FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW WE FUNCTION AS THE PLANNING AGENCY AND THE PLANNING BOARD. ITEM A IS FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FOR MILLCREEK-ORANGE AVENUE.

DO I NEED TO READ THE LOT NUMBERS?

I DO HAVE THEM. >> I THINK WE NEED --

>> OR I WILL LET YOU DO IT. >> I'LL READ THOSE AS PART OF

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THE PRESENTATION. >> OKAY.

I'LL LET YOU DO THAT. >> AM I GOOD TO GO? SO THIS APPLICATION YOU MAY RECALL AN ANNEXATION FOR BOTH OF THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT ONE COMING UP, MILLCREKK AND WEST ORANGE WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD SOME TIME AGO IN JULY OR AUGUST FOR ANNEXATION WHICH THE PLANNING BOARD ACCEPTED. WE THEN REVIEWED THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT APPLICATIONS AND DISCOVERED SOME INTERNAL LEGAL DESCRIPTION ISSUES DOES NOT AFFECT THE ANNEXATION, BUT IT DOES AFFECT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT.

WE RESOLVED THOSE AND THIS IS WHY WE HAVE THE DELAY AND IT IS NOW PRESENTED TO YOU. MILLCREEK FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT ENGAGE HAD FIVE PAR SALS.

THE -- PARCELLS. THE ID NUMBER, 2407, 124, 0001, 0003, PARCEL ID240113100040006, PARCEL ID24071340010004, PARCEL ID240714400010005, AND PARCEL ID 240823300010001.

THE APRIL PLANT IS RED TAIL DESIGN GROUP REPRESENTED BY TODD MOWERY. FM MILL CREEK HOLDING LLC, MILL CREEK AVENUE LLC AND ORANGE AVENUE TK-FPL MEANT -- DEVELOPMENT LLC. SO THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. THE CURRENT DESIGNATION OF SAINT LIEU -- SAINT LUCY COUNTY AND THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL WHICH WILL BE IDENTIFIED ON THE MAP AS FORTHCOMING AND TO A CITY DESIGNATION OF MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE DEPARTMENT. AND THOSE ARE ALSO IDENTIFIED ON THE MAP IN WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED IN A MOMENT.

THE ANNEXATION OF THE FIVE PARCELLS RECOMMENDED BY APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING PWOEFRD -- BOARD AUGUST 8TH, 2022 MEETING AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS WERE REQUIRING ADJUSTMENT. THE INTERNAL LINES WERE NEEDING TO BE ADJUSTED TO SUIT THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USES.

SO LAND AMENDMENTS -- THE CHANGES IN THE LEGAL AREA DID NOT CHANGE THE AREA OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION OF THE PROPOSED SITE. ORANGE AVENUE RUNS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE. WITHIN THAT THERE IS A SMALL PARCEL TO THE EAST AND THEN ONE TKAUBG -- LET ME GET BACK, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE PARCELLS -- PARCELS WITHIN THERE. IT SITS ALMOST -- WELL, IT IS 83.73-ACRES. THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE OF SAINT LUCY COUNTY IS SPLIT FOR THE VARIOUS PARCELLS -- PARCELS AND HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. IT IS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE SCREEN.

THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE IS MEDIUM DENSITY BEHIND A MIXED USE DESIGNATION. IS AND THE SPLIT OF 57 OR MORE ACRES IN MEDIUM KENS -- DENSITY AND 27-ACRES OR MORE IN MIXED USE. IN TERMS OF COMPARISON, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FROM A CHANGE FROM THE SAINT LUCY COUNTY FUTURE LAND USE TO THE CITY'S FUTURE LAND USE AND WE SEE A POTENTIAL INCREASE OF RESIDENTIAL OF 164 UNITS AND A DECREASE OF ALMOST A MILLION SQUARE FEET IN COMMERCIAL.

IN TERMS OF POTENTIAL TRAFFIC GENERATION WITH A CHANGE OF USE FROM SAINT LUCY COUNTY TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WE SEE A

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DECREASE OF ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC OF 1,000 AND ALMOST 2,000 TRIPS WITH MOST OF THOSE OCCURRING DURING THE PM AFTERNOON PEAK.

SO FOR THIS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO MOVE THE PROPOSED LIVE SCALE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL.

THE BOARD CAN RECOMMEND MODIFIED APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. THAT ENDS STAFF PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU. COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR MR.

FREEMAN? >> I KNOW THIS IS COMING BACK, BUT WHY WAS IT REDUCED TO MEDIUM DENSITY?

>> THAT'S THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE.

IT IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN EXPLAIN MORE WHEN THEY COME FORWARD IN ESSENCE, THEY ARE REDUCING THE INTENSITY OF THAT FROM THE COUNTY EXISTING TOO THE CITY. THE OPTION IS TO PUT A FUTURE LAND USE OF CITY HIGH DENSITY WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE IN-- THE INTENSITY OF THE PROJECT FURTHER.

STAFF ARE OKAY WITH THIS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT INCREASES THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT IT DECREASES FOR COMMERCIAL AND YOU CAN SEE WITH THE TRAFFIC TRIPS THERE IS A DECREASE OF TRAFFIC IN THIS

AREA. >> WITH THE AMOUNT OF MIXED USE BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING AT THE -- THE MIX USE I WAS LOOKING AT IT

AND IS THAT SEPARATE? >> THE EXACT ZONING WE WILL SHOW YOU LATER HOW IT IS BLENDED IN. THIS IS PUT FORWARD AS A SINGLE

SITE. >> OKAY.

IT GIVES THE OPTION FOR DIFFERENT USES TO BE PUSHED INTO THE FRONT. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT ORANGE AVENUE HAS COMMERCIAL INTERFACE WHICH MIXED USE WOULD ALLOW U -- ALLOW, BUT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL IN THAT TO ACTUALLY BLEND BETTER WITH THE DENSITY IN THE REAR.

I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT, BUT IN ESSENCE IT IS TO ALLOW THE BLENDING BETWEEN

COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. >> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE

APPLICANT FIRST. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, PLANNING BOARD, I AM GLAD TO BE HERE. TODD MOWRY WITH RED TAIL LOCATED IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE. WANTED TO TALK THROUGH A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS. WE HAVE SEVERAL OF THE NEXT AGENDA ITEMS AND MAYBE WANTED TO WRAP THESE UP IN SOMEWAYS TO TALK ABOUT THEM SO THEY DON'T FEEL SO DISJOINTED, BUT ALSO TO MAYBE ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD.

WE WERE HERE AT YOUR AUGUST MEETING.

WE TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS AND WE WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO GIVE AN EXTENSIVE POWER POINT PRESENTATION.

WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE BRANDING AND EFFORTS WE WERE DOING WITH THIS CONCEPT OF WEST ORANGE AS WE WERE IDENTIFYING IT AND WE SHOWED THE ORANGE WITH THE SCROLLING LETTERS AND IT HAS BEEN EXCITING TO WATCH THAT DEVELOP AS WE ARE FURTHERING THIS. WHAT I WANTED TO MENTION TO YOU IS WITH THE ITEMS YOU ARE DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE LAND USE SIDE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE FORWARD PROJECTING THOUGHT ON THAT.

SEPARATE TO THAT YOU WILL BE TAKING ACTION SUBSEQUENT WITH YOUR NEW BUSINESS ITEMS AND THAT IS RELATED TO THE ZONING.

WITH THE ZONING WE ARE DOING A PRELIMINARY PLAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THAT IS A -- SORT OF IN US -- IN ESSENCE A BUBBLE PLAN AND WE WILL BE FOLLOWING THAT UP AT A FUTURE MEETING WITH A FINAL SITE PLAN. IT COULD BE IN PHASES OR MAYBE AS AN ENTIRE PLAN FOR THAT AREA. GENERALLY WHEN WE WORK THROUGH AN ANNEXATION FOR ANY PIECE COMING THROUGH THE CITY, WE NORMALLY WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND DO WHAT IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED AS AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.

AND WE START TO LOOK AT THE DENSITY AS WE WOULD SAY ON THE

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RESIDENTIAL SIDE OR THE INTENSITY FOR A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, WE OFTEN EVALUATE THOSE AND IN DOING SO WE BRING THINGS IN A COMPARE -- COMPARATIVE MANNER.

WE BRING THINGS IN FOR A MEDIUM DENSITY WHICH IS A COMPARISON -- COMPARE -- COMPARABLE DENSITY. IT ALLOWS US TO GET THE DENSITY SO IT WILL WORK. IN THE MIXED USE CATEGORY, THE PROPERTIES ARE SET UP FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND SO WITH WHAT WE ARE SHOWING ON THIS MIX IT ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL AND IT WILL ALLOW FOR A LITTLE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

WE HAVE A COMBINATION OF USES SHOWN IN THIS PLAN.

WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CTY FOR A YEAR AND A HALF AND WE APPRECIATE KEV AND HIS STAFF AS THEY HAVE WORKED THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH US TO MAKE SURE IT CAN BE A SEEMLESS AND PAINLESS HOPEFULLY AS POSSIBLE. WE WILL HAVE SEVERAL THINGS COMING INTO PLAY. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LAND USE SIDE AND AS I MENTIONED I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SEVERAL OF THESE SO WE ARE NOT COMING AND GIVING YOU SORT OF PIESES.

I'M TRYING TO GIVE UH FULL MEAL AT THIS POINT.

I'M TKPWEING -- I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE AS WELL AS ZONING SITE SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO. THIS IS RIGHT NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF HARTMAN ROAD WHICH IS THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE. IF YOU WERE HEADED DOWN TO JOHN CAROL YOU MAY HEAD DOWN HARTMAN ROAD.

IT IS A THREE-LEGGED INTERSECTION.

THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN WE ARE LOOKING AT CREATING A FOURTH LEG TO THE INTERSECTION AND ALLOWING THE SIGNAL TO DEVELOP SO WE CAN EXTEND TRAFFIC. THERE WILL BE A WESTERN ENTRANCE THERE IN THE YELLOW RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE YELLOW AND THE BLUE.

THAT'S AN EXISTING CURB CUT AND WE WILL PUT THAT IN PLACE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING THROUGH PRELIMINARY MEETINGS WITH THE DOT AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERS TO MAKE SURE WE COVER OUR BASES WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ASPECT.

CURRENTLY THE MAP THAT KEVIN SHOWED PREVIOUSLY SHOWS WHICH PEACE -- WHICH PIECES ARE INSIDE AND ADJACENT TO THE CITY.

ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS FOR US IS THE CONTINUITY.

IT IS THE CONTIGUOUSNESS WE HAVE.

YOU HAD THE EXXON STATION THAT IS IN THE CITY AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE FORMER SKATE TOWN. ACTUALLY, AT TIMES WE MISS IT.

I ENJOYED GOING THERE WITH MY KIDS.

BUT THAT'S SORT OF THE ESSENCE OF IT.

WE APPRECIATE THE STAFF AND IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS WE CAN ANSWER. WE HAVE A PRESENTATION AND AS KEVIN AND I TALKED, WE WOULD HOLD OFF UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I THINK HE COVERED MOST OF THOSE.

I COULD GIVE UH GLIMPSE AS WELL IF YOU NEEDED TO GET A FEEL OF THE FINAL SITE PLAN. BUT IT IS UNFAIR BECAUSE THINGS CAN CHANGE IN THE PROCESS. IN A NUT -- NUTSHELL WE HAVE WORKED EXTENSIVELY THROUGH THE PROCESS.

THE PIECE SHOWN AS MEDIUM DENSITY YOU MAY RECALL FROM OUR LAST MEETING, THAT WAS APPROVED TO THE COUNTY AND THAT WAS A PROJECT KNOWN AS MILL CREEK. IT WAS SET UP WITH KB HOMES.

THAT'S THE PROJECT AND IS IT WAS SORT OF IN PLACE.

AND THERE WERE IDEAS THAT MANY OF THE RESIDENTS HAD THAT THIS IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE. WE ARE FALLING IN TUNE WITH WHAT THEY WERE ALREADY SHOWING. THE MIXED USE PIECE, THAT'S WHEN WE WERE SET UP FOR ALL COMMERCIAL AND NOW IT IS A MIXED USE CATEGORY. IT SEEMS TO TAKE MORE -- IT MAKES MORE SENSE WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH TRENDS AND THINGS IN THE AREA RATHER THAN SEEING A MASSIVE SEA OF COMMERCIAL AREAS THAT CAN'T SUPPORT IT. WITH THAT, GLAD TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. >> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

DON'T LET ME DOWN. >> THE DEVELOPER'S NAME IS WHO?

>> SO THE APPLICANT IS SUCHMAN. IT IS THE SUCHMAN GROUP.

>> THEY ARE LOCATED WHERE? >> IN MIAMI.

AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE ARE SEVERAL LANDOWNER THAT'S ARE PART OF THE ACTUAL SUBMITTAL AND THEY ARE PART OF THIS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> SO THE MIXED USE IS GONNA BE WHAT EXACTLY?

>> SO WHAT WE'LL HAVE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FOR A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT WILL HAVE COMMERCIAL NEAR THE HARTMAN ROAD INTERSECTION IS WHAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON IS OUR PLAN.

WE STARTED WITH CONCEPT PLANS AND WORKED FORWARD INTO SOME OF OUR SITE PLANS AT THIS POINT. WHAT IT IS SHOWING WOULD BE ABOUT THREE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE.

TWO UP FRONT AND ONE IS BEHIND. YOU CAN SEE THE STAND ALONE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

TO THE WEST OF THAT IN THE MIXED USE AREA YOU WOULD HAVE -- IN FACT, IF IT IS HELPFUL WE HAVE YOU CANNED THE MILLCREEK --

>> IT IS REZONED FOR -- >> I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THEM

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SEPARATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

NOT SEEING ANY. >> APPRECIATE IT.

>> ANYONE ELSE PUBLIC SPEAKING FOR THIS PROJECT STEP FORWARD.

NOT SEEING ANYONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION.

I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR COMMENTS, QUESTIONS AND STAFF. MARTY, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON

THIS? >> NOTHING ON THE LAND USE.

I THINK WHEN WE GET INTO THE ZONING AND SITE PLAN I DO I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND I'LL GO AHEAD AND EXPAND UPON THOSE NOW.

THEY HAVE A JENKINS OVERLAY -- OVER LAY ROAD.

THEY LOOK AT HOW THEY HAVE CONNECTIVITY.

IF YOU LOOK AT FORT PIERCE, IT IS BUILT ON A GRID BLOCK SYSTEM WHERE HAVE YOU CONNECTIVITY. WHEN THEY ARE PRAU -- PROPOSING HERE AND WHAT WEST ORANGE IS PROPOSING IS EVERYTHING LOADING ON TO ORANGE AVENUE. THE SAME SCENARIO YOU GET OUT IN SAINT LUCY WEST, ALL OF THOSE ARE ON SAINT LOUIS WEST BOULEVARD. THERE IS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT UNLESS YOU ARE GOING EAST OR WEST.

THERE ARE TWO WAYS THEN. SKPWH -- AND WE WONDER WHY THERE IS A PROBLEM REQUEST -- PROBLEM WITH TRAFFIC.

I REALLY SEE A NEED IF WE LOOK AT CONNECTIVITY LONG-TERM THAT WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT ON HOW THAT WORKS IN THE CITY OR ELSE WE ARE GOING TO BE SAYING I WONDER WHY ORANGE AVENUE IS A MESS. I WILL SAY THIS AT THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD AS WELL WHEN THEY HAD OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS AREA.

I THINK IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT PART.

THE OTHER PART IN GENERAL ABOUT ALL OF THIS RESIDENTIAL, AND I NOTICED THIS WITH WHAT THE COUNTY HAS APPROVED AND ANNEXED IN THE CITY, THERE IS NOT A PARK WEST OF 31ST STREET.

NOBODY IS LOOKING AT PARKS. I KNOW WE ARE LOOKING AT A LAND USE SITUATION HERE, BUT IT IS REALLY LONG-TERM WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT LAND USES, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEET THE NEED FOR PARKS IN THE CITY IF WE DON'T LOOK AT THOSE THINGS

AT LAND USE TIME? >> YEAH.

I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH MARTY. THAT'S MY HUGE CONCERN ABOUT THE PROJECT IS THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT FLOWING WITH WHAT FORT PIERCE ALREADY HAS GOING ON. FORT PIERCE IS MADE UP OF SUBURBS AND IT IS A GRID CITY. FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO COME IN, IT IS ALMOST LIKE THEY ARE PUTTING THEMSELVES IN A BUBBLE AND ISOLATING THEMSELVES FROM FORT PIERCE.

THAT'S NOT HOW OUR CITY FUNCTIONS.

THAT'S NOT THE IMAGE OF OUR CITY.

SO, YEAH. >> YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE LAND USE, I THINK IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED IN THE COUNTY COMP PLAN. I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS THAT DEFINITELY MAKE SENSE. WHAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN AND INTERESTED IN THE CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE OF COURSE WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF REBUILDING FORT PIERCE WESTWOOD ACADEMY.

WE HOPE TO OPEN THAT SCHOOL BETWEEN THE 2025 AND 2026 SCHOOL YEAR AT THE WINTER BREAK. AGAIN, WE HAVE A SITUATION THERE WHERE WE -- WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPERS WEST OF FORT PIERCE AND WESTWOOD ACADEMY ON THE CONNECTIVITY THERE AND LOOKING AT POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE ENTRANCES INTO THAT SCHOOL.

CANDIDLY, ANGLE ROAD ON THE ENTRANCE NEXT TO LAST CHANCE JUNKYARD IS NOT THE BEST IMAGE THAT WE CAN PORTRAY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT ARE BETTER ALTERNATIVES FOR ACCESS AND HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? IT MAY NOT WORK IN THE TIMING THAT WE ARE WORKING ON AND WE ARE LOOKING AT A DESIGN THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT ACCESS TO THE WEST AS IT

BECOMES AVAILABLE AS WELL. >> RECENTLY I WAS OUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT AT THE END OF CLASSES AND SCHOOL WAS LETTING OUT. AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW THERE IS INSANE. SO, YEAH.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT HEARING ANY, SHORT OF HAVING ANY SUGGESTIONS ON EGRESS AND IN AND OUT OF THIS FACILITY ANY OTHER DIRECTION IS D STREET,

RIGHT? >> THAT'S PART OF THE COUNTY'S -- JENKINS' MASTER PLAN IS A CONTINUATION OF AVENUE D OR

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MARIAH CIRCLE TO THE SKWR*EPBG -- JENKINS ROAD AREA.

HAVING THAT CONNECTIVITY IS IMPORTANT.

IF ARE YOU LOOKING AT GOING A DIFFERENT ROUTE YOU END UP HAVING ALL THOSE TRIPS LOADED ON TO ORANGE AVENUE.

>> 41ST STREET IS USELESS TO US FOR THIS APPLICATION.

>> CORRECT. THERE IS A CANAL BETWEEN AND YOU

41ST STREET. >> OKAY.

I ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. CLEMENTS AND SECOND BY MR. BIRCH.

>> MR. BIRCH. >> I.

>> MR. EDWARDS. >> MR. ALBUY.

>> CHAIRMAN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> JUST A MINUTE, PLEASE.

[b. Future Land Use Map Amendment - West Orange - Orange Avenue/N. Jenkins Road]

THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 6B. FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT, WEST ORANGE, ORANGE AVENUE NORTH AND JENKINS ROAD.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. SIMILARLY TO THE PREVIOUS ITEM, THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD IN AUGUST AND SUBSEQUENTLY TO THAT WE HAVE EXAMINED AGAIN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS AND WE HAVE REVISED THOSE ACCORDINGLY FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THE APPLICANT IS RED TAIL DESIGN GROUP AND ORANGE AVENUE DEVELOPMENT 2LLC AND CYPRESS NEED LLC. THIS INVOLVES FIVE PARCELLS -- PARCELS. NUMBER 240724100010003, 24072310000005. PARCEL ID240721200010003.

PARCEL ID240722100010001, AND 240721100010000.

FIVE PARCELS IN TOTAL. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT OF THESE FIVE PARCELS TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM SAINT LUCY COUNTY OF RESIDENTIAL URBAN, AND I FORGOT THAT WAS MARKED INCORRECTLY, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM AND COMMERCIAL TO CITY DESIGNATIONS OF HIGH RESIDENTIAL AND GENERAL MENTIONED THAT THESE FIVE WERE RECOMMENDED -- AGAIN, I MENTIONED THESE FIVE WERE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL FOR ANNEXATION AT THE PLANNING BOARD AUGUST 8TH, 2022.

HERE IS THE PARCEL. IF YOU NOTE THAT TO THE EAST IS THE MILLCREEK PROPOSAL WHICH WE JUST HEARD, ORANGE AVENUE AND JENKINS AND THE PARCEL HERE OF THE FIVE P*FR -- PARCELS, TOTALING 84-ACRES, 84.8, THERE ABOUTS.

SO THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION IN THE COUNTY AND THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION IN THE COUNTY FROM SEEING ORANGE AVENUE, PRIMARY USE OF THIS AT THE MOMENT IN THE COUNTY IS THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE.

THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE FOR THE -- THE TRANSITION INTO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR A MAJORITY OF THE SITE, 80.3-ACRES AND THE REMAINING 4.5-ACRES THERE ABOUTS AS COMMERCIAL.

DOING THE COMPARISON, FUTURE LAND USE COMPARISON WE CAN SEE A INCREASE OF POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL UNITS OVER 1,000 AND

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A REDUCTION OF COMMERCIAL FLOOR PLACE OF 784,000 SQUARE FEET.

LOOKING AT THE TRAFFIC GENERATION, THE APPLICATION SHOWS AN ANNUAL AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC REDUCTION OF 7,000 AND MOST OF THAT AGAIN IS BEING IN THE AFTERNOON PEAK AND 733 TRIPS -FPLD. SO STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO REMOVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT TO CITY COMMISSION.

PLANNING BOARD HAS ALTERNATIVES AND RECOMMENDED MODIFIED APPROVAL OF RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL AND AGAIN THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. THE ISSUES REGARDING SITE LAYOUT, ACCESS POINTS, DESIGN WILL BE DEFERRED TO THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT. THANK YOU.

>> QUESTIONS FOR MR. FREEMAN? COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM

THE APPLICANT FIRST. >> THANK YOU.

TODD MARIO WITH THREAD TAIL. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES WITH ANNEXATION IS IT IS A CHANCE FOR THE CITY TO BEGIN TO HELP BETTER TAKE CONTROL OF AN AREA.

I THINK AS WE ALL TALKED ABOUT THINGS ALONG ORANGE AVENUE, THE LOOK IS TOUGH. THE WAY THE CITY HAS DEALT WITH ANNEXATIONS IN THE PAST IS IF YOU NEED UTILITIES, YOU GET ANNEXED IN. AS A RESULT WE SEE -- YOU WILL SEE TWO LOTS IN ON A STREET AND TWO LOTS OUT.

TWO LOTS IN AND TWO LOTS OUT. WASTE PROS ONE DAY AND WASTE MANAGEMENT THE NEXT AND CODE ENFORCEMENT IS HERE AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DEALING WITH -- IT IS A REAL CHALLENGE.

WHAT IS NICE WHEN YOU SEE PIECES OF PROPERTY LIKE THIS COMING IN IN A BULK MANNER BECAUSE IT HELPS TO BETTER CONTROL THE CITY'S DESTINATION. IT CREATES A LOOK AND A FEEL ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

AND IN THIS SENSE WE WILL BE DEALING WITH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICTS WHICH IS THE NEXT LEVEL OF DESIGNATION WHEN IT COMES TO DEALING WITH ZONING AND SITE DEVELOPMENT RATHER THAN JUST HAVING STRAIGHT OR COMMERCIAL ZONING.

WE WILL BRING IN TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY AND THAT PROPERTY IS COMING IN WITH TWO LONG-TIME EXISTING LANDOWNERS.

THEY ARE EXCITED ABOUT SEEING THINGS DEVELOP WITH THAT.

WE AREN -- WE ARE ENCOURAGED TO CORRIDOR THIS AS WELL AS THE LAND USE QUESTION WE DISCUSSED BEFORE AS WELL AS IT WILL HAVE MAINTAINED A LINE THERE AT THE BOTTOM WHICH IS WHERE THE COMMERCIAL SETTING IS TODAY. TO THE RIGHT OF THE COMMERCIAL WE HAVE A FREIGHTLINER WHICH IS LOCATED RIGHT THERE.

THAT'S ACTUALLY WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS TODAY AND AS WE START TO TALK ABOUT THE TRANSITION WE WILL SEE A PUSH FROM INDUSTRIAL WITH THE BARBED -- BARBED WIRE FENCING.

AS MR. SANDERS MENTIONED, IT IS ONE WHERE IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT IS A TEAM ENVIRONMENT TO SEE HOW THINGS HAPPEN.

THE CHALLENGE AS WITH ALL DEVELOPMENT IS WITHIN A CERTAIN STYLE AND CALIBER OF DEVELOPMENT, YOU WILL SEE CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS DEVELOPING IN A CERTAIN WAY.

HISTORICALLY WE HAVE GRID NETWORK THAT'S ARE PUT IN PLACE FOR ALL CITIES AS THEY BEGIN THEIR EVOLUTION.

AND NOW WE ARE SEEING MORE CUL-DE-SACS.

AND IT IS TOUGH TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST CONNECT THOSE OR HOW NOT TO CONNECT THAT -- CONNECT THOSE.

WE WILL DEAL WITH THOSE IN THE SITE PROJECT AND IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER I WILL DO THAT AT THIS TIME.

>> QUESTIONS? >> STU ALL -- THANK YOU ALL VERY

MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS PLEASE STEP FORWARD. NOT SEEING ANYONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

ENTERTAIN ANY FURTHER CONVERSATION.

NOT HEARING ANY I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. BIRCH AND SECOND BY MS. CLEMENTS --

>> EDWARDS. >> I'M SORRY.

EDWARDS. I AM SO USED TO THIS D UO HERE.

CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> MR. EDWARDS.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MOVING FORWARD ON NEW

>> YES. >> MR. BURGE.

>> YES. >> CHAIRMAN?

[a. Zoning Atlas Map Amendment - Millcreek Planned Development - Orange Ave]

BUSINESS, 7A WE HAVE A ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, MILLCREEK PLANNED

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DEVELOPMENT AND ORANGE AVENUE. AGAIN MR. FREEMAN IS PRESENTING.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. NOW, THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF TALK ABOUT SITE DESIGN ELEMENTS AND ACCESS ELEMENTS AND ALL OF THE OTHER PIECES THAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE DURING A SITE PLAN ZONING PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.

THE DIFFERENTIAL WE SEE WITH THESE APPLICATIONS IS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING A -- WHAT WE ARE CALLING A BUBBLE PLAN WHICH IS ACTUALLY JUST LOOKING AT THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL BE RECOMMENDING THAT WE ATTACH CONDITIONS TO THAT AND AS PART OF THAT IT WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARDS AND ALOT OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE HEARD IN TERMS OF SITE DESIGN AND HOW THAT IS LAID OUT.

SEN STHAL -- ESSENTIALLY THIS WILL BE AN OVER VIEW WITH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT CHANGE. WE WILL SET OUT CONDITIONS DURING THIS PRESENTATION. AND THE APPLICATION FOR THE SITE PLAN AND THE FINAL DESIGN WILL COME BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR FURTHER UH PHROFL. FOR FURTHER APPROVAL.

IF THERE ARE ANY ITEM THAT'S YOU WANT TO GET ON RECORD THAT THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE LOOKING AT BEFORE THEY COME FORWARD AND BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD, PLEASE STATE THOSE.

WE HAVE THE MILLCREEK PLANNING ZONE AMENDMENT.

AGAIN THE FIVE PARCELS YOU SAW IN THE APPROVE FOR ANNEXATION.

THE APPLICANT IS R*ED TAIL GROUP AND FM CREEK HOLDING LLC, MILL CREEK ORANGE AVENUE LLC AND ORANGE AVENUE DEVELOPMENT LLC.

THE PARCEL IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS ARE 240712400010003.

PARCEL ID24071310004 SWR-RB 0 -- 0006.

PARCEL ID240713400010004. PARCEL ID240714400010005.

AND FINALLY PARCEL ID 240823300010001.

SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION FOR A REQUEST TO AOEFPT -- TO AMENDMENT THE ZONING ATLAS MAP FOR FIVE PARCELS FROM EXISTING ZONING CLASSIFICATION IN SAINT LOUIS -- SAINT SAINT LUCIE COUNTY TO A -- WELL, THIS ISN'T WRONG.

THIS SHOULD BE A CLASSIFICATION OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THE ANNEXATION OF FIVE PARCELS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AUGUST 8TH, 2022 MEETING. THE PARCELS ARE SUBJECTIVE OF FUTURE LAND USE MAP APPLICATION WHICH IS PROCESSED BY THE BOARD.

THERE IS A SITE THERE ABOUTS AND EXISTING SAINT LUCIE COUNTY AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL ZONING. PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE FOR THE WHOLE OF THE SITE. IT WOULD BE ORGANIZED AS A WHOLE PD. A CONCEPT PLAN THAT YOU CAN SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS ESSENTIALLY A BREAK DOWN OF THE MULTI-FAMILY COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND PRESERVE AREAS DESIGNATED HERE. NOW, THAT'S A BASELINE FOR THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT. THAT CAN CHANGE AND THE ACCESS POINTS CAN CHANGE AS THEY COME FORWARD TO THE BOARD AND DESIGN AND LAYOUT AN CHANGE AS IT COMES FORWARD TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER APPROVAL. IN THIS RESPECT BECAUSE THIS APPLICATION IS MORE OF A CONCEPTUAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT WE ATTACHED 15 CONDITIONS TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE JUST ESTABLISHING THE CONFORM -- CONFORMENTS AND IT DOES NOT MEAN IT CAN'T BE CHANGED.

WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENT THAT ANY FURTHER ACTION ON THIS REQUIRES

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A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING WHICH AGAIN COMES FORWARD TO THE BOARD FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

THAT WILL SUBSEQUENTLY INVOLVE SITE LAYOUT AND DESIGN AND THAT IS SPOKEN BY CONDITION 3, THE FINAL PD PLAN OF THE REQUIREMENTS TO THE CITY CODE. CONDITION 4, WET LAND JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION REQUIRED.

5, GO FOR TOTAL SURVEY REQUIRED. 6, U.S. FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE WOULD STOP FORGING HABITAT ASSESSMENT SHOULD BE CARRIED OUT. DISY TAILED STORM -- DETAILED STORM WATER AND STKRAEUPB NEGLIGENT -- DRAINAGE PLAN SUBMITTED AT THE PD SITE PLAN. EIGHT, THE FIVE BLOCKS NEED TO BE IN UNIFIED CONTROL. NINE, THE SITE PLAN IS INCLUDING A PHASING SCHEDULE AND THAT WILL BESET OUT IN A TABLE AND NOTATED ON A SITE PLAN. 10, THE FINAL SITE PLAN CASH CASH -- SHALL INCLUDE STREET SKAEUPS AND COVERAGE AND PARKING AREAS AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED FOR EACH PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENT OF CONDITION 11, DATA FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS AND PARCEL SIZES AND TOTAL AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE AND NONRESIDENTIAL ACREAGE. THEY MENTIONED 12.

THERE'S A REQUIREMENT TO INCLUDE ALL AGREEMENTS AND EXACT ALL OF THE COVENANTS THAT CONTROL AND GOVERN THE USE OF THE SITE AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. 13, ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO UNDER A FOURTH AND FINAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN.

THAT INCLUDES VEHICULAR CIRCULATION.

ALL AREAS TO BE CONVEYED AS STREETS, PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS AND OTHER SIMILAR USES, THE LOCATION OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS, PROPOSED LOT LINES AND ALL OF THE ITEMS YOU WOULD NORMALLY SEE ON A PLAN DEVELOPMENT SITE PLAN. 13, PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION SYSTEM, PROPOSED BUFFERING AND UTILITY SYSTEMS DETAILS.

14, UNITY OF TIGHT -- TITLE WITH SAINT LUCY COUNTY CLERK AND A SAINT LUCIE COUNTY APPRAISER. AND 15 A REQUIREMENT THAT AFTER COME -- COMPLETION OF THOSE, THAT THERE IS A NEWLY CREATED PARCEL ID AND AN ADDRESS IS REQUESTED FROM THE CITY.

IF YOU NOTE THAT A LOT OF THE ITEM THAT'S YOU WERE THINKING OF AND THAT YOU JUST DISCUSSED WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL NOT ONLY JUST NOW, THIS HEARING, BUT A FUTURE WHEN THE SITE PLAN COMES FORWARD.

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION -- SORRY. ALSO IF YOU NOTE DURING -- ATTACHED TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THERE IS SOME SPECIFICATIONS THAT ALMOST SET OUT ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW THINGS DEVELOP WITHIN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

SO BASED ON THE ATTACHMENT OF THE 15 CONDITIONS AND THE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA, ATTACHED TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO MOVE THE PROPOSED ZONING AT PHRAS AMENDMENT FOR APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AVAILABLE TO MODIFY THE APPROVAL OR TO RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. THAT ENDS STAFF PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU. COMMENTS?

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE -- IT HAS THE PICTURE OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

ONE MORE FORWARD. IT HAS A LARGE RESERVE TRACK AREA IN THE NORTHEAST AND THE WET LAND PRE -- PRESERVE IN THE CENTER. COULD THOSE TWO BE DEVELOPED AS A PARK IF THE DEVELOPER DEVELOPED THEM AS A PARK? I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED THERE IS ANOTHER NEED FOR A PARK.

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I KNOW ANOTHER DEVELOP WHO HAS A PROPERTY SIMILAR TO THIS I THINK IT IS A PRESERVE AREA THAT THEY ARE DEVELOPING AS A PARK AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE TURNING IT OVER TO THE CITY AND WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT A LITTLE LATER THIS EVENING.

AT LEAST IT IS SCHEDULED AS A PARK.

I WONDER IF THESE COULD BE DEVELOPED AS A PARK OR DESIGNATED AS PARKS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE LAND PRESERVES.

IN SOMEWAY OTHER AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, LIKE DOWN NEAR THE SAVANNAH ROAD SITUATION.

THOSE ARE RESERVES ALSO, AND THEY HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED AS PARKS. THE ONE WITH THE LAKE THAT HAS THE FITNESS CENTER AROUND IT. I'M WONDER FIGURE THESE TWO MAY BE ADDRESSED. AND THEN IF THE DEVELOPER CHOSE TO AND THE CITY ALLOWED IT, THE CITY TAKE OVER CONTROL OF THESE TWO PARTICULAR AREAS FOR MAINTENANCE AND SUCH LIKE THAT SO I KNOW PUBLIC WORKS ENJOYS MY COMMENT ABOUT THAT.

>> THEY WILL LOVE THAT. I THINK THE ISSUE WITH THE PRE SEARCH TRACT, ARE IT MAY LEND ITSELF TO MORE OF A PASSIVE PARK SORT OF THING, WALKING PATH, SO THINGS THAT MAINTAIN THE PRESERVE NATURE. IT IS MORE DIFFICULT WITH WET -- WET LAND PRESERVATION. I THINK THOSE ARE INTENDED TO KEEP PEOPLE AWAY FROM THOSE. OBVIOUSLY FROM WHAT WE HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, THE APPLICANT WILL BE AWARE OF THE IMPORTANCE, IF YOU WANT TO PUT IT THAT WAY TO A PARK.

>> SOME PART OF THIS -- >> RECREATIONAL USE.

>> -- USED AS A PARK WHETHER OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS A WHOLE OR CONFINED TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN THIS AREA.

THAT ALWAYS BECOMES A CONTENTION TOO WHETHER IT IS A PUBLIC PARK FOR THE COMMUNITY OR A PUBLIC PARK FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE OR THE COMMUNITY -- THIS COMMUNITY.

>> I THINK THE COMMENTS WE HEARD IS MORE OF A PUBLIC FACILITY.

I'M SURE THAT IS A DISCRETION THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO ADD TO THEIR WHOLE TEAM AND THEN SEE THE FINAL.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ARE THEY DIVIDED 1234* I THINK I ASKED THAT.

ARE THE MIXED USE IN THE MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL, ARE THEY DIVIDED?

>> THIS -- IF YOU NOTICE THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT UNDERLINES THE DEVELOPMENT CONTROLS WHAT CAN BE PUT ON TOP OF THAT.

THE AREA DESIGNATED FOR PHEUBGSZED USE -- FOR MIXED USE HAS TO CONFORM TO THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY OR DENSITY IN THAT

PARTICULAR LOCATION. >> I'M ASKING IS THERE A CONNECG AT, WHEN YOU COME OFF OF ORANGE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS AN INLET FROM THERE. YOU HAVE YOUR BUILDINGS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A SEPARATION FROM THAT POINT.

IS IT NOT CONNECTED TO THE MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL IS WHAT I AM

ASKING? >> THAT'S A QUESTION THE APPLICANT WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER BETTER THAN I CAN.

IT WOULD ENGAGE THE WHOLE SITE AS ONE DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

IT ENGAGES WITH HOW THINGS WORK AND HOW THINGS LOOK, THE KWROS -- CROSS COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPORTATION LINKS AND HOW THE STREETS ARE LAID OUT. THE WHOLE DESIGN OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS UNIFIED AND THAT'S FOR THE APPLICANT TO SHOW THE PLANNING BOARD AT A LATER DATE HOW THAT FITS TOGETHER.

AND THEY WILL WALK AWAY, WHATEVER TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON AND HAVE THOSE THINGS IN MIND TO BRING AND DEMONSTRATE TO THE PLANNING BOARD THAT THEY HAVE HEARD WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. I SEE YOUR POINT.

I AM NOT GOING TO RECOMMEND A FENCE BE ERECTED BETWEEN THE TWO OR THEY BE TOTALLY SEPARATED OUT.

THIS IS A UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT. >> NO.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT AT ALL. NOT AT ALL.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. >> NO.

>> FROM HEARING YOUR COMMENTS EARLIER YOU WANT A CONNECTED, INTER LINKED DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS CONNECTED TO THE WIDER

ROADWAY SYSTEM. >> ALSO JUST A QUESTION FOR YOU,

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DO WE -- BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT ANYWHERE, BUT DO WE HAVE CERTAIN ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES OR DESIGNS THAT WE AS A CITY

RECOMMEND OR WE REQUIRE? >> THIS WILL BE PART OF YOUR REVIEW OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES THROUGH TO STAFF WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN AND ENCOURAGING A QUALITY, A FORT PIERCE LOOK. THERE ARE CONDITIONS THAT FIND IT AND LOOKS AT MAKING SURE IT IS ALL DESCRIBED FULLY THE LOCATION AND THE MATERIALS. WE DO HAVE CERTAIN DESIGN REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE 4 -- FOR THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

BECAUSE IT IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN HAVE INPUT INTO THAT AND STAFF WILL BE DISCUSSING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE APPLICANT WHEN AND THEY COME IN WITH A SITE PLAN THAT IS ACTUALLY MORE DESCRIPTIVE.

>> WHAT CAN I ASK YOU RIGHT NOW? >> YOU CAN ASK ME ANYTHING.

>> MY OTHER QUESTION IS CONCERNING THE APPLICANT.

I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

>> ASK ME. >> WILL ANY OF THIS ESTABLISHMENT HAVE ELECTRIC CHARGING ON IT?

>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE WILL BE ENCOURAGING THAT FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW. FROM THE APPLICANT'S POINT OF VIEW THAT IS SOMETHING YOU WILL WANT THEM TO SHOW.

>> IF A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING IS REQUIRED AS WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND EVENTUALLY WE WILL NOT HAVE GAS CARS AND JUST BEING AHEAD OF THE GAME, I THINK IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED IN OUR OWN

PERSONAL ZONING -- CODING. >> WE DON'T HAVE CODE AT THE MINUTE, BUT I HAVE SEEN OTHER MD CODE TO THAT EFFECT.

MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT CODE TO START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. MAYBE THERE IS A CREDIT OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM THAT ENCOURAGES THAT.

>> ALSO WILL THIS HAVE FIVE POINTS AS WELL?

>> THESE ARE POINTS THAT YOU WOULD SAY -- YOU ARE LOOKING FOR BIKE LANES TO BE ADDED AND LOOKING FOR ELECTRICAL CHARGING TO BE ADDED. THESE ARE PART OF YOUR COMMENTS

TO STAFF. >> OKAY.

>> AND TO THE APPLICANT. >> OKAY.

>> ANYTHING FURTHER? >> MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A SIMILAR COMMENT THAT I HAD ON THE LAND USE CHANGE.

THE APPLICANT INDICATED THAT THE HIGH SCHOOL IS HALF A MILE AWAY.

AND IT IS ONLY HALF MILE AWAY AS THE CROW SUPPLIES -- THE CROW FLIES. AS THE ROAD IS AGO -- ACCESSED ON ORANGE AND YOU HAVE TO GO TO APP ANGLE AND IT IS TWO MILES.

WHETHER IT IS PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO MORAIAH CIRCLE OR 41ST STREET, WHATEVER ROAD WOULD GO UP THERE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A WELCOME SITE. YOU KWAN -- YOU CAN SEE 300 STUDENTS COMING OUT OF IT. WE WOULD HAVE DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN WE COULD HAVE BUSES STOPPING OUT ON ORANGE AVENUE AND TIEING UP TRAFFIC TO PICK UP STUDENTS THAT COULD OTHERWISE WALK TO SCHOOL. I THINK THOSE ARE IMPORTANT THAT WE INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE DESIGN SO WE MINIMIZE THE DELAY OF TRAFFIC ON ORANGE AVENUE BECAUSE IT IS ONLY ONE ACCESS POINT AND STUDENT PICK UP AS WELL.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO SOLVE.

THANK YOU. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT, MARTY.TH THIS BOARD HAS HAD DISCUSSION IN THAT DIRECTION CONCERNING HOW WE DETERMINE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN SCHOOLS FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC YOU AS WELL AS FROM BUS STOPS. AND WE HAVE CODES AND ORDINANCE THAT'S ALLOW US TO GIVE DENSITY AS A PLUS IN A DEVELOPMENT.

SHOULD THEY BE WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM A BUS STOP FOR

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PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AS AN EXAMPLE? I DON'T KNOW OF ANY SUCH ORDINANCE OVER THE TOP OF MY HEAD REGARDING SCHOOLS WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND THE LAST ANSWER WE GOT -- WELL, WE PH*UR THAT BYWAY THE CROW FLIES.

I BROUGHT IT UP AND NOTICED WE WERE THREE-QUARTERS OF A MILE FROM THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION BUS STOP VERSUS A QUARTER OF A MILE THE WAY THE CROW FLIES. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT AND KEEP IT IN OUR MINDS AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THIS.

IT MAY BE ONE OF THOSE CODES THAT I BRING UP ONCE IN AWHILE, ORDINANCE THAT'S WE MIGHT OUGHT TO TAKE A NEW LOOK AT IN TERMS OF THE LANGUAGE. I KNOW WHAT THE INTENT IS, BUT IN TERMS OF THE LANGUAGE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF IN PD'S PUD TO TALK ABOUT BICYCLE LANES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN MISSING IN OUR CITY FOR A LONGTIME.

I GOT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A PROBLEM WITH THAT OURSELVES.

I FIND THAT WHERE WE HAVE SIDEWALKS, BICYCLISTS TEND TO GO TOWARD THE SIDEWALK TO GET OUT OF THE WAY OF TRAFFIC AND THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA IF YOU HAVE WALKING PEDESTRIANS THERE.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT TOO.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE HAVE THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD. DID YOU INDICATE YOU HAD A PRESENTATION INVOLVED IN THIS PORTION?

>> I'VE HAD POWER POINTS FOR EACH OF THE AGENDA ITEMS, HOWEVER, AGAIN, STAFF HAS COVERED MOST OF THOSE.

THE ONLY THING WE HAD SORT OF SEPARATE AND UNIQUE FOR THIS IS JUST A BIT MORE OF A OLGTS -- A LITTLE FURTHER SITE PLAN TO GIVE DEPTH TO SOME OF THE THINGS YOU ARE SEEING THERE.

SURE. WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> I LIKED WHEN YOU WERE HERE IN AUGUST WHEN YOU DID YOUR PRESENTATION AND SHOWED WEST ORANGE --

>> I LIKE THAT. >> I THINK WITH THAT I THINK THE CITY CAN MESSAGE OFF OF THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH YOUR WEST ORANGE SKPWH -- AND THE BRANDING THEY ARE TAKING ON 1 FORT PIERCE AND WE SHOULD BE AS A CITY LOOKING TO PROVIDE PUBLIC PARKS AND FINDING SOME OF THE PROPERTIES.

IT IS DIFFICULT I WOULD THINK FOR YOU AS A -- GETTING INTO THE DEVELOPMENT TO OPEN AN AREA IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT AND SAY WELL I'M GOING TO OPEN THIS AS A CITY PUBLIC PARK.

IT GETS TK*EUF -- DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP.

>> I THINK THAT IS A STRUGGLE WITH SOME OF THESE.

I WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT IN THIS PROCESS.

THIS IS A SITE THAT YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE AT LEAST THREE IF NOT FOUR DEVELOPMENT PODS THAT WILL TAKE PLACE.

SO IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN INTO PORT ST. LUCIE YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY COME ALONG AND TKAEUBG PORTIONS.

TAKE PORTIONS. SOMETIMES THERE IS ONE BUSINESS, BUT MANY TIMES IT IS A COLLECTIVE GROUP THAT IS DONE.

YOU WILL SEE THEM COME INTO PLAY IN AN AREA.

THE REASON I MENTION THAT IS SOME OF THE THINGS WE KNOW AT THIS POINT AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE DON'T KNOW.

WHEN WE DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY ALL OF THE END USERS FOR EACH OF THE COMPONENTS.

YOU MAY HAVE AN END USER THAT WILL SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I WANT TO DEVELOP A HUNDRED OF THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE IT FOR OUR TYPICAL PRODUCT AND IT NEEDS TO BE SELF-CONTAINED IN THE AREA. IF WE WERE DOING A CITY WHERE THIS IS A CITY DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY IS ESTABLISHING A TYPICAL GRID NETWORK AND ANYBODY CAN BUY A LOT AND DEVELOP A HOME AND YOU CAN DEVELOP A GRID NETWORK AND THEY SET UP HERE ARE THE PARK AREAS. IT IS A DEVELOPER DRIVEN AREA AND BECAUSE IT IS A DEVELOPER AREA THEY WILL HAVE A CLUBHOUSE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT PHASE.

THERE ARE CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH THAT.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE WITH THIS SITE IS TO BE PROACTIVE SO WE ARE NOT SITTING AND WAITING.

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WE KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL WET LANDS SIDE.

WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO THROUGH AND EVALUATE PHASE 1 AND PHASE 2 ELEMENTS FOR THESE SITES. WE WERE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE TREE ASPECT AND LOOK AT TREE MITIGATION.

YOU SAY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN BECAUSE WE ARE A TREE CITY? SO YOU ARE UH KWAEUR -- AWARE, THE COSTS CAME BACK AND IT SHOWED IF WE KEEP THE TREES IN PLACE AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THE COST HAS A CHECK -- AS A CHECK FOR THE CITY WOULD BE $4 MILLION FOR THE TREES ONLY. THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE IS NO SMALL UNDER TAKING. SOMETIMES PEOPLE SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT WHICH IS GREAT, BUT IT CAN BE AN EXTENSIVE COST.

SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CREATE THE COMMUNITY AND CREATE THE SENSE OF PLACE IS TO DO SOME SET ASIDE AREAS.

SO ON THE PLAN -- ARE YOU CONTROLLING THE MOUSE ON THAT? IF YOU CAN SCROLL FORWARD AND WE HAVE A PLAN IF YOU KEEP GOING FURTHER. THAT PLAN INITIALLY SHOWS YOU THE LAND PRESERVE TRACK. WE HAVE EXPANDED IT FROM THE DIAGRAM. WE ARE AT ALMOST SEVEN AND A HALF ACRES OF LAND PRESERVE AREA WE ARE LOOKING TO HAVE SET ASIDE. IT ALLOWS US TO CREATE SOME BUFFERS AND DO SOME THINGS. IN SOME SENSES IT HELPS US CREATE THE CONNECTIVITY TO MORIAH COURT THAT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE. THAT'S WHERE THE MOST EXTENSIVE, BEAUTIFUL, NATIVE TREES ARE TODAY.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WORK THROUGH THOSE THINGS.

IT IS A WET LAND SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO GRAB AND REMOVE 1.1-ACRE WET LANDS OFF THE SITE. THAT WILL REMAIN AS IT IS.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS BECOME A CHALLENGE.

TO YOUR COMMENT, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRY TO SET THAT UP IN A WAY THAT THE RESIDENTS COULD HAVE SOME TRAILS AND SOME THINGS TO THAT AS LONG AS WE DEAL WITH HOW THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT AREA MAINTAINED AND SET UP. IN TERMS OF BEING AN AREA WITH PARKING LOTS AND DEALING WITH TRASH COLLECTION AND ALL THOSE THINGS, I AM NOT SURE HOW ALL THAT COMES INTO PLAY AS WE GO FORWARD INTO IS -- INTO SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS.

WHEN IT COMES TO CONNECTIVITY, WE SHOW CONNECTIVITY TAKING PLACE. THE SEPARATION BETWEEN THE POD -- THE NORTH POD 3 AND THE POD 2 MULTI FAMILY AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WAS A PRESERVE WET LAND AS WELL AS DEALING WITH STORM WATER. THE INITIAL CONCEPT TO THE NORTH SHOWS TOWNHOMES BEING DONE. WE HAVE A USER THAT IS LOOKING AT DOING SOME NEAT THINGS WITH SOME OF THE CLUSTER SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT WE ARE SEEING.

WE ARE SEE SOMETHING DIFFERENT THINGS COME INTO PLAY ON THE NORTH. ON THE SOUTH SIDE WE SEE THAT BEING MULTI-FAMILY FOR A PORTION OF THAT AND YOU WILL SEE EXTENSIVE AREAS FROM DOG PARKS AND PICNIC AREAS.

GATED ACCESS, THOSE ARE TOUGH THINGS WHEN WE DEAL WITH IT.

HOW YOU DEAL WITH SETTING UP A GATE, IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU HAVE SEEN IN SAINT LUCY WEST AND AS YOU PULL INTO THOSE AREAS YOU HAVE A GATE AND IT MAY HAVE ACCESS THAT THEY ARE CONTROLLING FOR QUITE A FEW OF THE AREAS.

IF YOU GO TO PGA, PGA HAS A GATE THAT'S IN PLACE, BUT THEN YOU GO BACK FURTHER AND YOU HAVE THE RESERVE AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT SECTIONS IN PLACE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE BYPASS LANES AND TURN AROUND VEHICLES FOR EMERGENCIES AND VEHICLES AND THINGS THAT COME INTO PLACE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL UP AN AERIAL, KEV, WITHOUT OUR SITE PLANS IF WE PULL OUT OF THAT? TO MR. SANDERS' COMMENT IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO TRY AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF A PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY AND TO DEAL WITH SOME THINGS FOR THE AREA. THE CHALLENGE IS THE SCHOOL DISTRICT OWNS THE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

THERE IS AN RFP THEY ARE GOING THROUGH TO DO AN EXPANSION AND BUILD THE NEXT WESTWOOD CAMPUS WHICH IS EXCITING FOR EVERYONE.

I'M SURE IT WILL BE GREAT AND IT WILL HAVE -- IT NEEDS A FEEL FOR THE AREA. YOU HAVE A SIGNIFICANT CANAL THERE. HOW YOU WOULD GET STUDENTS ACROSS THAT AND DEALING WITH LIABILITY, YOU HAVE LAND OWNERS THAT IF THEY CAN WORK THROUGH THINGS, THEY ARE CONNECTING SOME OF THE CONNECTIVITY EVEN FOR RES TKOEPBTS -- RESIDENTS THAT ARE FURTHER SOUTH. IF YOU ZOOM IN, IF YOU WILL JUST GO TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOVE YOU CAN SEE AS YOU PULL DOWN AND GO TO THE LEFT. RIGHT THERE.

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SEE WHERE IT WEST -- IT SAYS WESTWOOD? THAT'S THE BOTTOM OF THE SCHOOL PROPERTY RIGHT THERE.

THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT CANAL ON THE EAST SIDE AND THEN IT CONTINUES DOWN AND HEADS WEST. YOU CAN HAVE SIGNIFICANT BRIDGE CROSSINGS OVER THOSE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE OUR PROPERTY IS AND YOU CAN SEE THE -- AS YOU KEEP GOING TO THE IT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN. I FEEL LIKE -- KEEP GOING RIGHT.

MOVE THE CURSOR. KEEP GOING RIGHT.

RIGHT. YOU CAN SEE THE COLORS ON THE TREES. THOSE ARE THE TREES YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN. THOSE ARE WHAT YOU ARE KEEPING.

DO YOU SEE HOW IT IS GREENER? THAT IS ALL MATERIAL THAT JUST COMES ON THE SITE AND THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE.

WE ARE STUCK WITH THAT AND 41ST STREET HAS -- IT IS A SELECT NEIGHBORHOOD AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY HAVE TRAFFIC FLOWING IN AND THROUGH AND PEOPLE CROSSING AND CONNECTING FROM ANGLE WE HAVE LOOKED AT THESE THINGS AND AS WAS MENTIONED, THE COUNTY HAS AN OVER ALL ROADWAY PLAN.

THERE ARE GOING TO BE QUESTIONS AS THINGS DEVELOP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE COUNTY'S PLAN ALSO APPLIES TO THE CITY AND DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS. WE DO AND WANT TO MAINTAIN -- BE SENSITIVE TO DEFINITELY HAVING PEDESTRIAN CONNECT -- CONNECTIVITY -- I AM NOT SURE HOW WE WOULD DO VEHICULAR ACCESS. IT IS TO THE NORTH AND TO THE AREA THAT'S WOULD HELP BENEFIT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE ELEMENTS. WITH THAT, IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER OR RESPOND TO, WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF AND AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS PUT IN PLACE TODAY.

THE NEXT PHASE WOULD BE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND ACTUALLY DEVELOP SITE-SPECIFIC FINAL SITE PLANS.

AS A WHOLE -- IN OTHER WORDS AS TO PRESENT AND EACH WOULD HAVE PHASES. YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPER AND SOME ARE DOING TOWNHOMES.

YOU WILL HAVE DIFFERENT APPLICANTS COMING FORWARD ON EACH OF THE PHASES AS THEY ARE DEVELOPED AND BROUGHT BEFORE YOU. THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PD'S AS THEY ARE CALLED IN THE CITY IS THE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS ALLOW YOU TO HAVE THE COHESIVE FEEL. WE WILL HAVE ARC -- ARCHITECTURE RULE STYLES. IT IS MAKING SURE THINGS ARE SET UP. AND THERE WILL BE AN OVER ALL POA THAT WILL HELP AND MANAGE THE ENTRANCES AND IT IS COMING IN ON THE EAST AND THE WEST. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT COST FOR DEVELOPING AND WORKING THROUGH THE TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION AND GETTING EVERYTHING IN PLACE AT HARTMAN ROAD. AS THEY LOOK AT THOSE COMMON AMENITIES, IT IS THERE. THEY WILL HAVE SEPARATE HOA'S THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED. I DON'T WANT YOU TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS -- AND THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE NEXT APPLICATION.

THIS IS 83-ACRES. THIS IS NOT LIKE SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

IN FACT, IF YOU HAD BEEN AT THE COUNTY AND PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING AND THEY WERE PRESENTED A PROJECT FOR 9800 HOMES.

WE ARE TALKING MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO THINGS. THIS IS A FRACTION OF THE SIZE BECAUSE IT IS ONLY THE 83-ACRES. IT IS EXCITING BECAUSE IT IS A CHANCE TO DRESS UP THE AREA AND CREATE A LOOK AND A FEEL AND AN IMAGE. I TOLD THE APPLICANT FROM THE BEGINNING THAT THE COUNTY HAS A PROCESS FOR HOW THEY HANDLE THINGS. IT IS ONE THAT I ENJOYED WORKING WITH THE CITY TO A CONSIDERABLE DEGREE.

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IT IS BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS. POOR KEV WAS PAIRLY ON BOARD A WEEK. HE WAS ABLE TO BRING IT FORWARD IN RECORD TIME AND WE LIKE THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE CITY. IT IS A RELATIONSHIP.

IT IS A CHANCE FOR YOU AS A CITY TO SAY WE ARE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST. IT IS A GREAT WAY FOR US TO GROW OUR COMMUNITY, ADD TO THE TAX BASE AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND BE AN ENHANCED DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE COMING OFF THE INTERCHANGES. WITH THAT I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> ORANGE AVENUE PASSING FRONTAGE ON THIS SITE AS WELL AS ON -- TO THE WEST I GUESS THAT IS THAT IS A COUNTY -- AND THEY CONTROL -- HOW CAN THEY CONTROL ORANGE AVENUE EAST.

>> I CAN'T PUT A LINE ON THAT. >> IT ENDS AND THE CITY PICKS

UP. >> STATE ROAD.

>> U.S. 1 IT BECOMES CITY. >> IT IS A STATE ROAD FROM 95 TO

U.S. 1? >> ALL THE WAY TO 441.

>> I KNOW IT IS BEYOND. >> I MAY BE WRONG AND I SPOKE WITH PUBLIC WORKS BEFORE, BUT ON SOME OF THE STREET AREAS I THOUGHT THEY DESIGNATED THE MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP TO THE CITY. SO THE CITY MAY BE MAINTAINING

SOME OF THOSE AREAS. >> THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS YOUR ROADS ARE GOING TO BE PRIVATE ROADS ONCE YOU GET INTO THE INTERIOR DEVELOPMENT. MARTY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO

HANDLE BUS STOPS? >> UNLESS A COMBINATION IS MADE TO ALLOW US TO COME IN, THE PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION CAN'T CHANGE SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL PICK THEM UP ON ORANGE

AVENUE. >> WHICH IS A STATE ROAD.

>> JUST LIKE ON U.S. 1 FOR SOME OF THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS THERE THAT NO LONGER LET US IN THEIR DEVELOPMENT.

>> THAT'S NOT GOOD DESIGN AND IT IS NOT TAKING THE COMMUNITY NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS. IT IS NOT SAFEST CONDITION YOU CAN HAVE WHEN YOU HAVE BETTER OPTIONS.

AND THERE ARE STOPS ON AR TEAR -- ARTERIALS.

MOST OF THE TIME IF THERE IS DESIGNED ALTERNATIVES UP FRONT WE PREFER TO BE OFF THE ROADWAY. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT 300 STUDENTS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.

>> WOULD YOU WANT MULTIPLE BUS STOPS?

>> WE WOULD LOOK FOR ONE. CERTAINLY IF THIS ROADWAY CONTINUED INTO MORIAH COURT, WE COULD COME IN OFF MORIAH COURT AND GO OUT ON ORANGE AVENUE AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF HOW WE WOULD DESIGN A ROUTE. IT WOULD ACCOMMODATE STUDENTS IN THERE. THAT WOULD BE IDEAL THAT WE CAN PICK UP STUDENTS ON THE RETURN TRIP IN THE AFTERNOON.

>> AND TO MR. ZANDER'S COMMENT, WE COULD CREATE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY EASILY TO THAT SPOT AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE VEGETATION AND THE PRESERVE AREAS WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE A

VEHICLE, BUT TO CREATE THAT -- >> BUT THE PRESERVE AREA DOESN'T GO TO MORIAH COURT IS ON THE NORTH BOUNDARY.

THE PRESERVE AREA -- THE MAJORITY OF IT STOPS AT 600, 800

FEET SHORT OF MORIAH COURT. >> WHAT I MEANT IS THERE IS AN EXISTING ROUNDABOUT YOU HAVE ON MORIAH COURT AND THAT'S THE END.

IT DOESN'T EXTEND THROUGH AND A ROAD DOESN'T CONTINUE TO EXTEND WEST. UNLESS THE COUNTY IS LOOKING TO BUILD AND LOOKING AT PROGRESSIVE AND ORDERLY GROWTH WE WOULD TRY TO DO THINGS THAT WE WOULD COORDINATE.

>> EXACTLY. AND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT WESTWOOD ACADEMY, THE COUNTY HAS IN THEIR AREA PLAN A

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ROADWAY THAT COMES UP ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF WESTWOOD GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO ORANGE AVENUE AND A ROAD GOING ON THE WEST SIDE OF WESTWOOD GOING ALL THE WAY TO ORANGE AVENUE.

CERTAINLY THROUGH THESE ANNEXATIONS IT MAY NOT HAPPEN.

WHAT HAPPENS NORTH OF WHAT THESE TWO ANNEXATIONS THAT HAVE HAPPENED MAY OR MAY NOT HAPPEN IF THEY GET ANNEXED TO THE CITY.

THEY MAY DECIDE NOT TO GO WITH THE COUNTY'S CORRIDOR PLAN AS

WELL. >> LOOKS LIKE THERE IS WORK TO

BE DONE FOR THE BUS STOPS. >> AND I ENCOURAGE THE STAFF TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND SEE WHAT KIND OF CONNECTIVITY CAN YOU HAVE HERE? YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE IT ALL UP FRONT, BUT YOU BLOCK YOURSELF OFF -- THE FIRST DEVELOPMENT STOPS THE CONNECTIVITY AND YOU LOST ALL CHANCE OF IT IN THE FUTURE. IT IS UNFORTUNATE WHEN -- IT IS ALWAYS EASIER -- TODD WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION. IT IS 3500-ACRES.

THEY PRESENTED THE SAME PLAN. COME INTO MY SITE AND GO OUT ON ONE ROAD. IT IS EASIER FOR THEM.

CERTAINLY I GET IT. >> IN MAKING A MOTION ON THIS LATER ON SHOULD THE BUS DISCUSSION, BUS STOP DISCUSSION

BECOME A CONDITION? >> YES.

PLEASE. >> SO I WOULD ASK THE BOARD KWH -- WHEN IT IS TIME FOR A MOTION KEEP THAT IN MIND.

I KNOW THERE ARE 15 CONDITIONS ALREADY, BUT I AM NOT OPPOSED TO ADDING ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AND GIVE THE COMMISSION WHEN THEY

SEE IT SOMETHING TO WORK ON. >> IS METSGER ROAD INVOLVED IN

THIS AT ALL ON THE NORTH SIDE? >> IT IS WAY NORTH OF THIS.

>> I SAW THE AERIAL MAP AND IT INDICATED THAT THERE WAS MORIAH ROAD AND FURTHER NORTH IS METS -- METSGER ROAD.

THERE IS TOO MUCH LAND SEPARATION.

I JUST WANTED TO KNOW. TRYING TO LOOK FOR THE

CONNECTIVITY. >> I'M GOING TO TURN TO YOU FOR

A MINUTE HERE. >> THAT'S NOT METSGER.

THAT'S AVENUE D. THERE IS METSGER ROAD RIGHT THERE. HE IS TALKING ABOUT -- MR. SANDERS IS TALKING ABOUT A ROAD THAT WILL PARALLEL -- YOU

KNOW, RIGHT ALONG THERE. >> I'M GOING TO TURN TO YOU.

YOU BROUGHT UP CHARGING STATIONS.

>> YES. I SEE IN THIS PLAN THERE'S APARTMENTS AND THERE IS MULTI-FAMILY UNITS OF VARIOUS KINDS. YOU'VE GOT THE FLOOR.

>> I KNOW WITH A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS, NEW APARTMENTS THEY HAVE TWO IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT, BUT WITH A DEVELOPMENT THIS BIG AND THE PUSH FOR ELECTRIC CARS I THINK HAVING ONE OR TWO WOULDN'T JUSTIFY IT AT ALL.

ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL HOMES.

IT IS NOT LIKE PEOPLE CAN SET UP CHARGING STATIONS FOR THEIR OWN HOMES. THESE ARE GOING TO BE APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOMES AND SUCH THINGS. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BASE -- YOU KNOW, HOW MANY ELECTRIC CHARGING STATIONS THAT SHOULD BE THERE, BUT ANOTHER THING, IS THERE GOING TO BE ON-STREET PARKING?

>> AGAIN, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC PLANS IN PLACE FOR THIS, I CAN'T BE DEFINITIVE WITH THOSE ANSWERS, BUT WE WOULD BE GLAD TO WORK WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF A PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE CHARGING STATIONS INTO OUR OVERALL SCHEME SO WE ARE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT SEEMS REASONABLE.

>> I WOULD THINK BY NOW WITH ALL OF THESE CONSULTING GROUPS HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED IN CHARGING STATIONS AND MARKETING CHARGING STATIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH THERE IS PROBABLY AN EQUATION FOR THAT. PERHAPS AS A CITY WE SHOULD CONSIDER THAT AND CONSIDER THAT IN ORDINANCES AS WELL.

I UNDERSTAND THE COST WE GET INTO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CHARGING STATIONS. I HAVE RESOLVED A CHARGING

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STATION ISSUE AT MY OWN HOME WITH MY WIFE.

SHE JUST HAD TO HAVE A TESLER AND SO SHE DOES.

IT HAS ADDED SOME INCONVENIENCE FOR ME IN FIGURING OUT WHAT I WOULD DO FOR HER SO SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO OUT TO VIRGINIA AVENUE OR OKEECHOBEE ROAD AND JENKINS ROAD ALTHOUGH SHE DOES LIKE TO GET THEIR COFFEE FROM TIME TO TIME.

I UNDERSTAND THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE COMMITMENT TO CHARGING STATIONS. I UNDERSTAND THAT MOVING FORWARD WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT PERSONALLY -- TO THINK ABOUT IT.

PERSONALLY, I LIKE MY GASOLINE-POWERED AUTOMOBILES.

THEY ARE FASTER, LOUDER AND BETTER.

I UNDERSTAND THE REASON TO DISCUSS ELECTRIC.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> AND THE NEED FOR BIKE LANES SHOULD DEFINITELY COME INTO PLAY I CAN SEE THE PARKS SPRINKLE -- SPRINKLED IN THERE. IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, ISN'T MORRIS CREEK GOING TO BE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY OUT?

>> MORRIS CREEK DOES NOT CONNECT THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.

IT CONNECTS TO A CANAL TO THE WEST OF THIS PROPERTY.

IT IS IN THE PROPERTY, IS IT NOT?

>> IT IS ACTUALLY -- IT WOULD RUN WEST -- I'M SORRY.

IT RUNS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE NORTHEAST BOUNDARY THERE.

>> THE CANAL ON 41ST, IT CUTS DOWN AND THEN EXTENDS AND FLOWS EAST ALL THE WAY SOUTH OF AVENUE D.

IF YOU GO TO THE RIGHT AND KEEP ROLLING.

RIGHT THERE. GO DOWN AND THEN GO RIGHT.

THERE IT IS. >> I WAS JUST OUT IN THAT AREA WALKING AROUND A MONTH OR SO AGO.

>> IT'S INTERESTING WHEN YOU DISCOVER WHAT YOU CAN FIND IN

OUR WATERWAYS. >> ARE THEY EXTENDING THAT PATHWAY ALL THE WAY OUT, OR WHERE DOES THAT END? IN TERMS OF CONNECTIVITY AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IN TRAFFIC YOU KIND OF WANT TO GET PEOPLE OUT MORE WALKING RATHER THAN EVERYWHERE THEY HAVE TO GO THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEIR CAR.

AT LEAST FOR ME LOOKING AT THIS, THERE IS A GATE I WILL HAVE TO LEAVE OUT OF IF THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PLAN.

IT IS A ROUGH DRAFT OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING.

I WILL HAVE TO LEAVE A GATE TO GET TO THOSE SHOPPING AREAS RIGHT THERE. IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT IS GOING TO BE INVITING FOR ME TO WALK THERE AND COME BACK WITH MY GROW RE-- GROCERIES OR COME BACK FROM BUYING SOMETHING -- WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE IN THE COMMERCIAL PLOT.

>> KEEP IN MIND WE REQUIRE SIDEWALKS.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> SPEAKING IN TERMS OF SIDEWALKS AND BIKE LANES AS WELL, HAVING A COMPLETE STREET INSTEAD OF CAR-CENTRIC OR NOT PEDESTRIAN INVITING DEVELOPMENT AND JUST GETTING YOUR HEAD WRAPPED AROUND THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT IS 80-ACRES IN HERE AND THEN 80 IN THE OTHER ONE, THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE AN EXAMPLE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MARKET AND BRING IT OFF. THIS COULD BE AN EXAMPLE FOR A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH IT.

YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BE LIKE A TRADITION IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

I AM NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T BUY THE LAND THAT IS NORTHWEST OF THERE, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU WILL PROBABLY OWN THAT AS WELL AND GAIN ACCESS TO THAT AS WELL. AND THEN CONTINUE OUT AND KEBLGF THE DEVELOPMENT. I'M SURE THAT'S THE OVERALL PLAN AND SCHEME IF NOT PLUGGING YOURSELF INTO THAT.

YOU COULD BE ANOTHER TRADITION. IF YOU ARE BRANDING YOURSELF AS WEST ORANGE AND BRANDING YOURSELF AS SOMETHING THAT IS

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COMING IN TO REVOLUTIONIZE I FEEL LIKE IT IS A HIT AND MISS.

AND I AM USING TRADITION AND THEY ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH SOME FORM OF WALK ACTIVITY. IT IS PRETTY LOW.

AND WHAT YOU ARE DEVELOPING RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO WALKING. ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE A MIXED PLAN, I FEEL LIKE THE MIXED PLAN COULD HAVE INTEGRATED WITHIN THE GRIDLOCK PATTERN VERSUS A SEPARATION AND THEN WE HAVE OUR RESIDENTIAL ELSEWHERE. IF WE ARE BUILDING THAT MANY -- I KNOW YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HAVING TOO MUCH COMMERCIALS, THAT THE AREA IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT.

WE HAVE THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT OFF JENKINS AND ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT OFF JENKINS AS WELL. AND HAVING THAT OFF THE MAIN ROAD LIKE THAT, YEAH, IT IS NICE AND EASY ACCESS AND PROBABLY FOR THEM BUT HAVING IT IN THE SCHEME OF EVERYTHING IT WILL BE INVITED TO WALK AROUND THERE. AND THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE WALKING AND RIDING THEIR BIKES AND YOU ARE IN YOUR OWN DEVELOPMENT. BUT IT DOES PRESIDENT CONNECT ME TO THE REST OF FORT PIERCE. IT IS LIKE YOU DIDN'T THINK OF THE REST OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF IT.

YOU CAN HAVE PRIVATE PUBLIC SPACES THAT'S INVITING FOR THE REST OF THE CITY. I WOULD LOVE TO COME INTO THIS COMMUNITY AND WALK AROUND AND SEE HOW BEAUTIFUL THE HOMES ARE BUT I CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THERE IS A GATE RESTRICTING ME FROM VIEWING THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AND I AM ONLY ALLOWED TO LOOK AROUND THE SHOPPING AREAS.

TO BE HONEST, YOU HAVE TO WALK AROUND AN ENTIRE THEME TO GET TO THE PART OF THE SHOPPING AREA, IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN BASED ON WHAT IS GOING ON RIGHT HERE. YOU HAVE TO WALK AROUND.

THERE IS NO -- IT IS NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY WHEN IT COMES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND AS FAR AS CONNECTIVITY IT IS

LACKING. >> IF I CAN --

>> YES. >> THE PLANNING YOU ARE SEEING IS FROM A DENSITY STANDPOINT. WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT TYPE OF DENSITY WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT VERSUS DEVELOPING A COMMUNITY PLAN FOR IT. THAT WAS OUR GOAL.

WE ARE GENERALLY LOOKING AT THE STORM WATER WE ON THE PRODUCT TYPE AND BASED ON THE ZONING DECEMBER -- DESIGNATION. AS WE WORK FORWARD WITH STAFF, WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS AT THE HEART OF -- AT LEAST I THINK THERE ARE FIVE PRIVATE PLANNERS IN THE AUDIENCE AND FOR ALL OF US WHO SHARE YOUR PASSION AND THAT'S WHY WE GOT INTO THE PROFESSION. AS A FORMER CITY MANAGER MYSELF I HAVE BEEN A TKROEPL -- DREAMER.

AS AN AVID CYCLIST I APPRECIATE WHEN PEOPLE PROVIDE FOR BIKE LANES AND CERTAIN ELEMENTS. I DON'T WANT US TO SEE THIS PLAN AND THEN THINK TRADITION WHICH IS 16,000 ACRES COMPARED TO 83 ACRES. I THINK THE ELEMENT OF THINKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE COMMUNITY, THE POINTS OF CONNECTIVITY ARE IMPORTANT AND THINGS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF AND POINT WELL TAKEN AND WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO MA THICK THOSE THINGS A REALITY.

>> POTENTIAL DISTRICT THAT CAN CATAPULT THE IDEA OR REALLY START TO FORM WHAT FORT PIERCE COULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

LIKE I SAID, I ONLY USE TRADITION AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW LAID OUT IT ORIGINALLY STARTED OFF.

I'M TALKING ORIGINAL TRADITION. I'M TALKING ABOUT ORIGINAL TRADITION. IT IS HOW IT ORIGINALLY STARTED

OFF. >> THESE ARE THE DEBATES WE HAVE

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GOTTEN INTO. CELEBRATION, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT DEVELOPED AND PEOPLE SAID DIFFERENT THINGS WERE DEVELOPED AND PEOPLE SAID GREAT TRADITION. AND THEN AFTER THEY DID THE INITIAL CORE, EVERYTHING WAS GATED AND THEY ARE ALL UNAVAILABLE. WHERE THE INITIAL PORTION HAD THE ALLEYS AND THEY HAD THE FRONT PORCHES AND THEY HAD SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT OF AS SORT OF THAT NEO TRADITIONAL-STYLE. THAT WAS EXCITING, BUT NOW IT IS GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. I AM ACTUALLY SORT OF WORRIED THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOUND A FUTURE PLANNER HERE AS WELL.

I'M SEEING SOMEBODY THAT HAS PASSION AND THERE MAY BE PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT STAFFING AS A RESULT OF HEARING YOUR DISCUSSION. YOU'RE SPEAKING THE LINGO.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE MORE. GIVE ME TWO MORE YEARS AND I'LL

BE DONE. >> THERE IT IS.

>> THAT'S WHAT HE IS IN SCHOOL FOR AS WE SPEAK.

>> LIKE I SAID, MY MAIN FOCUS IS THE CONNECTIVITY AND ALSO PROVIDING THOSE COMPLETE STREETS AND AMENITIES THAT PEOPLE WILL NEED NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. SO HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT --

>> ASK FOR STAFF TO COORDINATE WITH US AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THESE IDEAS AND WE WILL WORK OUR BEST TO INCORPORATE THEM.

>> I CAN SEE YOU WEARING THE INK OUT OF YOUR PEN THERE.

>> I AM. >> AND THERE ARE NOTES WE CAN

WORK WITH STAFF LATER ON. >> ANYTHING -- IF ANYTHING, I THINK ON A SMALLER SCALE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN TO BALDWIN PARK IN ORLANDO, BUT THAT'S DONE PRETTY WELL.

>> THEY DID WELL WITH THEIR PUBLICS DOWNTOWN.

>> IT DID. AND IT IS DONE EXTREMELY WELL.

I LOVE WALKING THROUGHOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT.

THEY EVEN HAVE A TRAIL, A WALK/BIKE TRAIL AROUND A HUGE LAKE. THEY DID A WELL -- A GOOD JOB.

AND IT IS NOT NATIVE. THAT'S THE BEAUTIFUL PART ABOUT IT. IT IS NOT GATED.

THAT'S THE BEAUTIFUL PART. I CAN GO IN THERE AND I DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO ROUGH RIDE IN THE STREETS OR BE LOUD WITHIN THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WITHIN THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT, FOR IT TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE GATED OFF, OR YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SO ISOLATED AND NOT CONNECT TO THE

REST OF THE CITY. >> IF YOU WOULD ALLOW US, WE WILL COORDINATE WITH STAFF ON THESE IDEAS AND MAKE IT HAPPEN.

>>> THANK YOU. >> ALL GOOD STUFF.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING FURTHER?

NOT SEEING ANY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> APPRECIATE IT. >> ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANYONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS FOR KEVIN? >> SHOULD I JUST ROUND UP WHAT I HAVE HEARD IN TERMS OF ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS FOR STAFF TO SCRIPT AND ADD TO THIS? I GOT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT BUS STOPS AND THE PREFERENCE FOR THE BUS STOPS TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE SITE. COULD I SKAO -- COULD I ASK DO

YOU HAVE A STANDARD AGREEMENT? >> I CAN PROVIDE DOCUMENTATION.

>> I WOULD LIKE THE CONDITION WE INVESTIGATE THE PROVISION OF BUS STOPS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF THE SCHOOL SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE WILL FORWARD POE -- POTENTIAL AGREEMENTS SO IT CAN BE ACHIEVED.

THERE ARE CHARGING STATION STATIONS THAT SHOULD BE PROVIDED WITHIN THE FINAL PLAN AND THAT RATIO WE WILL TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT AND THAT WILL BE PRESENTED.

I DID HEAR A MINIMUM OF TWO WHICH IS FAIRLY LOW.

>> VERY LOW. >> WE WILL TALK TO THE APPLICANT ON INCREASING THAT NUMBER AND ESTABLISHING HOW THOSE ARE PROVIDED. BIKE LANES, TO INCORPORATE THOSE IN A FINAL SITE PLAN. PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY TO INCORPORATE THAT IN THE FINAL SITE PLAN.

TO LOOK AT THOSE ELEMENTS WITHIN THE FORMAT OF COMPLETE STREET DESIGN MAY BE INCORPORATED ON STREET PARKING.

AND ALSO TPO*R THE APPLICANT -- AND FOR THE APPLICANT TO LOOK AT THE PROVISION OF PARKS. AND ALSO TO EXPLORE STRATEGIC

ROADWAY CONNECTIVITY. >> YOU HAVE SEVEN ADDITIONAL

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ITEMS? >> I THINK I HAVE SEVEN.

YEAH. >> OKAY.

>> IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD ENTERTAIN A

MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE FIVE CONDITION THAT'S WERE ADDE. SEVEN CONDITIONS THAT WAS ADDED.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MR. ARBUR Y TO INCLUDE THE ORIGINAL 15 CONDITIONS PLUS THE

ADDITIONAL SEVEN. >> CORRECT.

>> AND WE HAVE A SECOND BY MS. CLEMENTS.

CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> MR. ARBURY.

>> VERY GOOD. THE NEXT ITEM IS 7B, ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT WEST ORANGE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ORANGE AVENUE NORTH JENKINS ROAD. MR. FREEMAN IS PRESENTING.

>> YES. >> MR. BURGE.

>> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS.

>> YES. >> CHAIRMAN?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

[b. Zoning Altlas Map Amendment - West Orange Planned Development - Orange Ave/ N. Jenkins Road]

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. THIS IS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT TO THE SAME PARCEL THAT YOU HAVE PREVIOUSLY DESIGNATED FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. AGAIN, FIVE PARCELS.

THE APPLICANT HAS -- THE APPLICANT IS RED TAIL DESIGN GROUP REPRESENTED BY TODD MOWRY. IT IS ORANGE AVENUE DEVELOPMENT 2LLC AND CYPRESS KNEE LLC AND FIVE PARCEL ID'S IDENTIFICATION NUMBERS 240724100010003. PARCEL 24070000 AND PARCEL ID2407, 21200010003. PARCEL 240722100010001 AND

240721100010000. >> I'M GONNA MAKE A NOTE HERE THAT IF THIS IS A NEW PROCEDURE YOU ARE TESTING OUT, I AM FULLY

IN FAVOR. >> THIS ISN'T A PROCEDURE THAT WE THINK MAY GET MORE INFORMATION TO THE BOARD IN THE

BRIEFEST WAY POSSIBLE. >> I AM ALL IN FAVOR OF YOU GOING THROUGH ALL OF THESE LOT NUMBERS.

>> WE WILL TAKE THAT ON. SO THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ZONING AT PHRAS MAP AMENDMENT TO A CLASSIFICATION OF A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE ANNEXATION OF THE FIVE PARCELS WAS RECOMMENDED AT PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS AUGUST 8TH, 2022. THE APPLICATION WAS HEARD EARLIER TODAY AND RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL.

THE SITE LOCATION IS THE WEST ORANGE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, 84..

IT IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN JENKINS AND ORANGE AVENUE AND EXISTING IN SAINT -- SAINT LUCIE COUNTY AND 9 ACRES OF THAT, 84.8 ACRES BEING GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLE OF THE PROPERTY AND IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE SET OUT AS ONE DEVELOPMENT FINAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SIMILARLY TO THE PREVIOUS MILL CREEK PROPOSAL THE BOARD HAD JUST HEARD THERE IS A CONCEPT PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE FLUSHED OUT BY THE STAFF.

WE HAVE 15 CONDITIONS RELATING TO THE OVERALL PD PLAN AND WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AT ITS FINAL PRESENTATION. WE HAVE THE MASTER PLAN WHICH IS THAT PARCEL EXHIBIT. WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR PD.

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IT NEEDS TO BE IN CONFORM MENS -- CONFORM MANS WITH THE STKEU ORDINANCES AND THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING.

THERE IS LOTS OF CRITERIA WITHIN THOSE.

STATED WITH LANDS DETERMINATION IS REQUIRED.

5, 67 -- 6, 7, STORM WATER AND DRAINAGE PLAN, 8, 9, THE SITE SHALL CLAW A DEVELOPMENT PHASING SCHEDULE IF ONE IS PROPOSED.

IT IS OUTLINING THE TIMETABLE OF DEVELOPMENT.

GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE BUILDING AND STREET SKAEUPS.

STREET SCAPES. THERE ARE DWELLING UNITS AND STRUCTURES AND DENSITIES AND OPEN SPACE.

NUMBER 11, THE AGREEMENTS AND THE GOVERNENCE AND THE CONTINUED PROTECTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. SPECIFICALLY OF THE OPEN SPACE AND THE SHARED AREAS. 13 IS THE COMPONENT OF A SITE PLAN NEED TO BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.

LANDSCAPE, LOCATION, BUILDINGS, HEIGHT, SIZE AND THE AREAS FOR THOSE TO BECOME DEDICATED. 13, PEDESTRIAN CIRCULATION SYSTEM. AND THIS ONE WILL CROSS OVER AS WE NOTE WITH THE PROPOSED REQUIREMENTS THAT WE ADDED WITH THE SEVEN CONDITIONS. IF WE NEED TO INCORPORATE THE WHOLE SEVEN OR WE WILL ENHANCE THE ONES WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT ZONING AGREEMENT.

UTILITY SYSTEMS, BUFFERING TREATMENT, TITLE, STANDARD AND ADDRESS REQUEST FORM NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED.

WE HAVE, AGAIN, AN ATTACHMENT WHICH OUTLINES THE PARAMETERS FOR THE LOTS AND THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS OF THE PLANNED ZONING. HAVING SAID THAT, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD IS TO MOVE TO THE CITY COMMISSION, NOTING THE 15, AT PRESENT CONDITIONS ATTACHED AT EXHIBIT D AND THE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA ON THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

WE ARE ACCEPTING A RECOMMENDED MODIFIED APPROVAL IF THE PLANNING BOARD SO DESIRE OR RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL OF THE

APPLICATION. >> MR. FREEMAN, IS IT PREMATURE TO SUGGEST THAT WE ADD THE SEVEN CONDITIONS TO THIS APPLICATION AS WE DID IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION?

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY THE SAME FORM OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ATTACHED TO THIS APPLICATION AS WE DID TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION FROM MILLCREEK.

WE WILL -- I THINK ALL OF THE CRITERIA AND THE SCOPE OF THE CONDITIONS ARE RELATIVE AND MEAN THE SAME THINGS TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. STAFF WOULD ACCEPT THAT THOSE CONDITIONS WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT.

>> IS THAT SUITABLE TO THE BOARD?

>> YES. >> WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. FREEMAN? COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND ONCE AGAIN THE APPLICANT, IF HE COULD COME FORWARD PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WANT TO BE REALLY BRIEF ON THIS. HAVE YOU SEEN THE PLAN AND GETTING -- YOU HAVE SEEN THE PLAN AND GETTING A FEEL FOR THE CONCEPT AND KNOW WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO.

UNLESS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US, GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY SR-FPLT I THINK WE -- I THINK YOU -- YOU MAY HAVE.

I THINK WE ARE SET. >> COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR

THE RECORD. >> SURE.

TODD MOWRY WITH RED TAIL. >> NOW YOU FEEL LIKE AN EMPLOYEE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A -- THIS IS AGRICULTURAL PRIMARILY. IT IS AGRICULTURAL LAND.

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THERE IS A RANCH WHO HAS LIVESTOCK ON THIS PROPERTY.

WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OF THAT IMMEDIATELY AROUND FORT PIERCE UNLESS WE GO A LITTLE FURTHER WEST, PARTICULARLY ALONG ORANGE AVENUE. AND IT IS A SHAME IN ONE HAND TO SEE THAT STARTING TO GO AWAY, AND ON THE OTHER HAND IF WE LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF BEST USE OF LAND, MAYBE IT IS.

I'M NOT COUNTING HIM OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.

TO ME IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A SHAME TO SEE THAT GO AWAY.

HERE WE ARE. >> YES, AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE SAME THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE COUNTY WHEN WE HAD A MAGS SEUF DEVELOPMENT COMING OFF -- MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT COMING OFF GLADES ROAD. FORTUNATELY WE ARE DOING WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS A STEP DOWN-TYPE DEVELOPMENTS.

YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A CLUSTER OF COMMERCIAL THERE AND AS YOU MOVE NORTH IT GOES FROM MULTI-FAMILY TO TOWNHOME AND AS YOU TURN TO JENKINS ROAD IT WILL TURN INTO THE SINGLE-FAMILY STYLE. IT IS DEFINITELY A STEP DOWN APPROACH AS WE ARE TRYING TO BE SENSITIVE IN THINKING ABOUT THE PLANNING EFFORTS AND HOW THINGS SHOULD BE DONE IN THAT MANNER.

UNLESS HAVE YOU ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> QUESTIONS? >> I GOT ONE.

MR. MOWRY, AS A DEVELOPER, WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF YOU GOING PD INSTEAD OF HIGH RESIDENTIAL OR JUST PICKING A --

>> GOOD QUESTION. GENERALLY IN STRICT ZONING YOU WILL FIND THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS PUT IN PLACE.

THE STANDARDS HAVE TO BE MET FOR ANY APPLICATION THAT COMES FORWARD. IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY'S SEAT THEY HAVE LAND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SUCH AS SIDE SETBACKS AND REAR SETBACKS AND BUILDING HEIGHTS AND THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALWAYS SUITABLE TO THE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE AS PLANNERS WOULD LIKE TO SEE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT CLUSTER DEVELOPMENTS AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT ZERO LOT LINES AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS THAT ALLOW YOU TO CREATE -- HAVE CREATIVITY, WE CAN'T GET THAT IN STRAIGHT ZONING.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT TODAY, THE MINIMUM LOT IN THE CITY IS SET AT 65 FEET. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN TRADITION, MANY OF THOSE ARE 40 FEET.

YOU DON'T EVEN ALLOW THAT STYLE. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS IN YOUR SMALL NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THOSE ARE SMALL, SMALL LOTS. FOR WHATEVER REASON, A DIS-- A DISCONNECT OCCURRED THAT IS A STRATEGY THAT CREATES WHAT WE REFER TO AS SPRAWL AND MAYBE THAT IS NOT THE BEST TYPE OF PLANNED GROWTH YOU CAN DEVELOP. BY DEVELOPING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THE CITY CAN GET SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL ARE LOOKING AT AND THE DEVELOPER WILL LOOK AT THINGS BENEFICIAL TO THEIR OVERALL PLAN AND ALLOW THEM TO HAVE DENSITY WHERE ARE YOU ABLE TO CLUSTER YOUR RESOURCES AND UTILITIES WHICH ARE COSTLY RATHER THAN JUST HAVING THINGS SPRAWL OUT IN A CERTAIN MANNER. WE TRY AND WORK THROUGH THOSE THINGS. THERE IS A PHRASE PEOPLE USED FOR YEARS. IT IS WIN/WIN.

WHETHER WHETHER IT IS PUD WHICH THE COUNTY CALLS IT OR PD WHICH THE COUNTY CALLS IT, YOU SHOULD SEE BOTH PARTIES GAINING BENEFITS BY DOING THIS TYPE OF ZONING.

THE BENEFIT OF THIS TYPE OF ZONING IS IT THEN LOCKS THE LAND IN TO THE ACTUAL PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE.

SOMEBODY ELSE CAN'T COME ALONG AT A LATER POINT AND SAY NOW I AM GOING TO BUILD A WALMART ON HALF THAT SITE.

THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AND GET THE PD REZONING PLAN MODIFIED BECAUSE IT IS AN ACTUAL REZONING.

WHICH IS ODD. NORMALLY YOU REZONE A PROPERTY AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT IS GOING TO BE COOKIE STANDARD OR SOMETHING -- A COOKER -- COOKIE STAND OR A BURGER KING.

YOU ARE DEVELOPING THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN FOR THE CITY SO IT IS A WIN FOR THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I DON'T HEAR ANY.

THANK YOU, SIR. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? >> MR. CHAIR?

>> YES, SIR. >> I HAVE THE SAME COMMENT AS I HAD ON THE OTHER ONE. I LOOKED AT THE AERIAL AND THIS PROJECT THE NORTHERN LIMITS OF THIS PROJECT COINCIDES WITH THE PAW POSED EXTENSION OF METSGER ROAD.

BUT IT IS 660 FEET AWAY. IT IS GOING TO BE TWO MILES TO WALK AROUND AND IT IS LOOKING AT THE CONNECTIVITY.

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AND THE EAST SIDE OF THE MAP IS RIGHT ABOVE THE RIGHT AWAY THERE AND THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT SEPARATES WESTWOOD FROM THE SITE AND THE NORTH END OF THE PAG SELL IS -- PAG SELL -- PARCEL IS NEAR WESTWOOD. AS IT HAS DEVELOPED, TO ANGLE AND WESTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THE CONNECTIVITY BE LOOKED AT. RIGHT NOW ALL OF THOSE ROADS ARE PROBABLY A COUPLE 10THS OF A MILE NORTH OF ORANGE AVENUE.

IT GOES INTO -- IT IS REALLY AN UNDEVELOPED AND --

>> RIGHT. IT GOES TO FLOYD JOHNSON ROAD AND THERE ARE A FEW HOUSES THERE.

IT IS ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.

ON THEIR LONG RANGE PLAN THEY ARE WORKING ON ORANGE -- ON JENKINS ROAD AND I THINK THERE IS ORANGE ALL THE WAY TO MIDWAY.

WE ARE GETTINGAL 10 TIFF ROUTES -- WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES YOU HAVE THINGS LIKE SAINT LUCY WEST BOULEVARD WHERE THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVES.

WHEN YOU START BUILDING THESE ALTERNATIVE CORRIDORS YOU HAVE THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES AND WITHOUT HAVING TO MAKE IT EIGHT

OR 10 LANES WIDE. >> AND YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH

THE CONDITIONS PUT IN PLACE? >> YES, SIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> FIG FURTHER? -- ANYTHING FURTHER? NOT HEARING ANY I WOULD INTERES.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE 22 CONDITIONS.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. CLEMENTS AND A SECOND BY MR.

CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> MS. CLEMENTS.

>> YES. >> MR. BURGE.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MR. EDWARDS.

>> YES. >> I DON'T THINK I HAVE SEEN PROJECTS WITH MORE CONDITIONS THAN THIS, BUT I THINK THAT SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS ARE ATTACHED TO ORDINANCES AND SO ON.

>> YES. >> CHAIRMAN?

IT IS REALLY NOT AS SCARY AS IT MIGHT SEEM WHEN YOU SAY 22.

EASY FOR ME TO SAY. YOU'RE RIGHT.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN DEVELOPING HERE IN FORT

PIERCE. >> WE ARE EXCITED.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ITEM -- GOSH, I LOST MYSELF

[c. Zoning Atlas Map Amendment - 805 Office Plaza - 805 Virginia Avenue - 2422-602-0001-000-7 Remove from Table]

HERE. IT IS ITEM 7C.

IT IS ZONING ATLAS AMENDMENT, 805 OFFICE PLAZA-805 VIRGINIA AVENUE. BEFORE WE GO INTO THIS WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO LIFT THIS OFF THE TABLE.

>> I MOVE 7C BE LIFTED FROM THE TABLE.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION BY MR. BUDGER AND

SECOND BY MS. CLEMENTS. >> MR. BUGE.

>> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS.

>> YES. >> MR. ARBURY?

>> I NEED CLARIFICATION. >> IN THE LAST MEETING MR. BURGE RECOGNIZED A POTENTIAL ISSUE IN THE ZONING AND REQUESTED THAT WE TABLE THIS PROJECT FOR THIS MEETING.

I BELIEVE THAT ZONING ISSUE HAS BEEN RESOLVED.

SO WE ARE HERE TO HEAR THE CASE AGAIN.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF LIFTING IT OFF THE TABLE.

>> THANK YOU. YES.

>> MS. CLEMENTS. >> YES.

>> MR. ALTHEIZER. >> I WILL GET IT.

>> I WILL GIVE YOU THE PHONETICS.

WE JUST HAD THIS DISCUSSION TWO OR THREE HOURS AGO NOW.

>> I AM FEELING LIKE WE ARE SEEING THE COBBLER WHERE THE CHILDREN HAS NO SHOES WITH YOUR PRONUNCIATION OF YOUR NAME.

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>> WHAT CAN I SAY? >> PLANNING BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD COMMISSIONER, I AM BRINGING BEFORE YOU AN APPLICATION FOR A REZONING FOR 805 VIRGINIA AVENUE.

THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP. THE P -- PARCEL IS APPROXIMATELY 2.54 ACRES. CURRENTLY IT IS ZONED AS AN R5, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. IT WAS PROPOSED FOR GENERAL COMMERCIAL AT THE LAST PLANNING BOARD.

AT THE PLANNING BOARD'S NOVEMBE, THE PLANNING BOARD REQUESTED THE C1 ZONING DISTRICT BE CONSIDERED INSTEAD OF THE C3 ZONING DISTRICT. AFTER DELIBERATION THE APPLICANT APPROVED OF THE ZONE SWITCH TO C1.

SO THE REQUEST IS THAT THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT CHANGE FOR ONE PARCEL FROM R5 HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO C1 OFFICE COMMERCIAL. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST AS IT IS CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING ZONES -- ZONING AND WITH THE CITY CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC. THE PLANNING BOARD'S ACTIONS TODAY ARE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REZONING WITH NO CHANGES WHICH IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REZONING. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> JUST TO CONFIRM AND CLARIFY, THIS STRIP CENTER, IF YOU WILL, HAS BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS.

I THINK MY HAIR WAS MUCH DARKER WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

AND THIS IS A HOUSEKEEPING MEASURE.

>> YES. >> PER SAY.

>> YES. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME IN FOR CONDITIONAL USES IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT AN OFFICE OR SOMETHING IN THERE, THEY JUST AUTOMATICALLY HAVE THAT AS A WAY PERMIT THE KIND OF BUSINESSES THAT COULD GO IN.

>> SO FOR YOUR BENEFIT, MR. ARBU RY, IT WILL SIM PHRAU -- SIMPLIFY POTENTIAL BUSINESSES LEASING PROPERTY AND LEASING SPACES IN THE FUTURE. AND IT WILL ACTUALLY SIMPLIFY OUR ACTIVITY ON THIS BOARD AS WELL WHICH I APPRECIATE.

ANY DISCUSSION? NOT HEARING ANY I WILL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS. BRAD CURRY AND I REPRESENT THE PROPERTY OWNER. WE DID GO BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND SPEAK WITH HIM ABOUT THE DIFFERENT ZONING OPTIONS ON THE PROPERTY AND BOTH THE CLIENT AND I AGREE THAT C1 IS THE BEST FOR THE PROPERTY SO IN AGREEING WITH STAFF.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> QUESTIONS?

>> WAS IT DIFFICULT TO CONVINCE THEM?

>> IT WASN'T. THE USES ARE VERY SIMILAR.

C3 HAS SOME MORE INTENSIVE USES HE NEVER INTENDED TO PUT ON THIS FACILITY ANYWAY. WE APPRECIATE THE BOARD BRINGING

IT TO OUR ATTENTION. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS IN

WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM PUBLIC? NOT SEEING OR HEARING ANY, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND COME BACK TO OUR BOARD.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

NO? >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR

APPROVAL OF C1. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY MR. BURGE AND SECOND BY MR. ARBURY. PLEASE CALL ROLE.

>> MR. BURGE. >> YES.

>> MR. EDWARDS. >> YES.

>> MR. ARBURY. >> YES.

>> MS. CLEMENTS. >> YES.

>> AND MR. BURGE, YOU DID A GOOD JOB OF THAT IN THE LAST MEETING TO RECOGNIZE THIS. THE NEXT ITEM FOR BUSINESS IS 7D

[d. Zoning Atlas Map Amendment - Oasis Townhomes Planned Development - 901 and 1001 South Ocean Drive]

ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT, OASIS TOWNHOMES PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, 901 AND 1001 SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE.

AND MR. GILMORE IS IN PLACE OF MR. -- MS. LEWISKY.

L DASH -- LEWISKY. >> LUICA.

>> I APOLOGIZE. I HAVE USED HER NAME BEFORE AND IT HAS BEEN ACCURATE. SINCE SHE IS NOT HERE OKAY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. PLANNING BOARD AND PLANNING CHAIR BEFORE YOU WE HAVE A ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT 901 AND 1001 SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE.

THIS IS A MAP LOCATION MAP. THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 6.875 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS. IT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF CREST VIEW DRIVE AND SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE.

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THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS HIR WHICH IS HUTCHISON ISLAND RESIDENTIAL. CURRENT ZONING IS R4A WHICH IS ISLAND RESIDENTIAL ZONING. THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A ZONELESS APP AMENDMENT FROM RESIDENTIAL TO PD, PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH THE ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF ASSOCIATED DEVELOPMENT PLAN OASIS TOWNHOME THAT'S WILL CONSIST OF 52 DWELLING UNITS, TOWNHOMES A CLUBHOUSE, RECREATION ALPHA SILTS AND ASSOCIATED IMPROVEMENTS.

THE REQUESTED ZONING WAIVERS FOR THIS SPECIFIC PD, THE R-4A ZONING CODE ALLOWS FOR A PHABGSF 24 FEET FOR TOWNHOMES.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING 22 TOWNHOMES UP TO 30 FEET WIDE.

BEFORE YOU IS THE PD DEVELOPMENT PLAN OF THE PROPOSED TOWNHOMES.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE WETLANDS THAT YOU CAN SEE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN IS OWNED BY THE OWNER.

HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP THAT PART OF THEIR PROPERTY. THIS IS A SEPARATE PARCEL.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.

POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE ZONING ATLAS AMENDMENT, RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CHANGES OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU.

>> QUESTIONS OF MR. GILMORE? NOT HEARING THEM.

MR. GILMORE, I SPOKE WITH MR. FREEMAN ABOUT THIS JUST BEFORE THE MEETING AND ONE OF MY CONCERNS, AND I JUST WANT TO PUT IT ON RECORD IS THAT THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY -- RIGHT NOW IT IS AN EMPTY PARCEL OF PROPERTY AND THERE IS VEGETATION AND WATER PERMEATES THROUGH THE GROUND, OBVIOUSLY.

WHAT WATER DOES RUN OFF TO THED WITH LANDS ACTUALLY RUNS OFF INTO THE LAW TKPWAOUPB -- LAGOON AREA, ONE OF MY CONCERNS WHEN I LOOK AT THIS IS THAT AS WE DEVELOP THIS PARCEL OF PROPERTY AND AS WE COVER IT UP WITH NONPERMEOUS PRODUCT WE WILL HAVE MORE RUN OFF. THAT IT IS BEING TREATED FOR A PRE-FILTRATION PRIOR TO IT MAKING IT OR ENTERING INTO THE LAGOON WATERS. I KNOW WE ARE NOT IN A FINAL PLATT ARRANGEMENT. WHEN WE MOVE INTO THE MORE DEVELOPED PLATS THAT WE HAVE NOTATIONS AND THAT WE KNOW WHAT IS BEING DONE. IN THAT LINE OF CONVERSATION AND I THINK YOU AND I HAVE HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT I AM GOING TO BRING UP AND I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH MS. FREEMAN ABOUT WHAT I AM GOING TO BRING UP, AND I AM DOING IT AGAIN FOR RECORD TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

I HOPE THEY WATCH THIS MEETING. I HOPE THEY PAY CLOSE ATTENTION.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVING FORWARD AND ENTERING INTO THE 2023 YEAR AND PASSING APPROVAL ON TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY ARE NOT REVIEWING THE FINAL DRAFTS OF PLANS WITH THE SAME EYE TO REVIEW THE DEPARTMENT.

WHEN THE PLANS COME BEFORE THIS BOARD, WHOMEVER THE ENGINEER OF RECORD IN OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS THAT HAS REVIEWED THOSE PLANS AND CHECKED OFF ALL OF THE BOXES THAT HAVE TO BE CHECKED OFF, BE IT HERE IN THE CHAMBERS, IT IS OVER THE YEARS I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD AND I THINK MR. BUR RGE -- PRESIDENT BUSHES URGE WOULD CONTEST TO THIS TOO VERY OFTEN QUESTIONS COME FROM THE BOARD REGARDING PLANS THAT ARE DIFFICULT FOR EITHER THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO ANSWER OR THE APPLICANT TO

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ANSWER. SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS DON'T GET ANSWERED. I HAVE NOTICED OVER THE YEARS THAT WHEN THEY DO GET TO THE COMMISSION LEVEL THEY ARE STILL NOT GETTING ANSWERED. EVERYTHING MIGHT BE JUST FINE AND DUCKY, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR PUBLIC RECORD TO HAVE THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED. THAT'S MY REASON FOR THE REQUEST OF HAVING ENGINEERS FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT OF RECORD ON A PROJECT TO BE HERE AND PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS AT THE TIME THAT WE REVIEW THOSE. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT SEEING ANY, ARE -- ANY, WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

I ASK THAT THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES PLEASE STEP FORWARD. I THINK I RECOGNIZE THIS GENTLEMAN. ARE YOU TRYING TO CATCH UP TO

ME? >> I THINK SO.

>> IS THIS A YEAR'S GROWTH OR SOMETHING?

>> IT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN LONGER THAN A COUPLE DAYS.

MR. CHAIR AND PLANNING BOARD, PETE SWEENEY WITH THE FIRM OF BLOCK AND SCARPA ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT AND WITH ME IS THE ARCHITECT AND APPLICANT PATRICK SOARES.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME COMPLIMENT STAFF. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A YEAR. I KNOW YOU HEARD THAT BEFORE, BUT THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB WORKING THROUGH IT.

THIS IS A SITE THAT SAT BARREN FOR QUITE FRANKLY DECADES.

WE BELIEVE WE PUT TOGETHER AN EXCELLENT PROJECT FOR YOU AND THE TWO THINGS I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ON, TO MR. GILMORE'S COMMENT ON THE MAN GROVES AND WET -- WET LANDS WE ARE AWARE OF. THERE IS MORE PROPERTY TO THE WEST THAT GOES INTO THE LAGOON THAT IS NOT OWNED BY MY CLIENT, THE APPLICANT, THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE WET LANDS.

JURISDICTIONALLY IT IS DIFFICULT WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT LEVEL.

THAT IS WHY WE MAINTAIN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

TO THE SECOND PART ABOUT STORM WATER TREATMENT, WE HAVE A GROUP OF TECHNICAL PROFESSIONALS INCLUDING MR. SOARES AND ARE ADDRESSING THAT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT WITH A STORM WATER TREATMENT PLANT THAT HAS BEEN THROUGH ENGINEERING AND QUITE A FEW COMMENTS HAVE COME OUT OF ENGINEERING.

THESE ARE TECHNICAL QUESTIONS AND WE RELY ON PROFESSIONALS THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS OR IF THEY ARE TECHNICAL IN ANSWER, MR. SOARES

CAN ANSWER THEM. >> WHY DIDN'T YOU -- WELL, WHY DIDN'T YOU GUYS AND NOT JUST YOU, APPLY FOR A MIXED USE

DEVELOPMENT? >> SURE.

>> WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT IS FURTHER SOUTH --

>> ON THE BARRIER ISLAND STP. >> YES.

>> I AM NOT SURE WHICH ONE YOU ARE REFERRING TO.

>> THERE ARE JUST HOMES. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE KPHER SHRAL -- -- COMMERCIAL. I KNOW EVERYBODY LIKES IT QUIET AND SLOW THERE, BUT YOU ARE BRINGING MORE PEOPLE SO WHAT ARE THEY -- LIKE, ENTERTAINMENT? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO -- OTHER THAN THE RECREATIONAL THINGS THAT ARE THERE, HOW WOULD THEY KEEP ENTERTAINED? I'M PRETTY SURE SOME OF THESE HOMES WILL BE OWNED BY SNOWBIRDS.

>> IF I CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> YEAH. >> THE UNDERLING ZONING ON THESE ARE 4A. HISTORICALLY IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN RESIDENTIAL. IT IS INTERESTING THAT THE BUFFERING DISCUSSION THAT YOU HAVE THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, AS YOU MOVE SOUTH IT IS VIRTUALLY ALL RESIDENTIAL.

IF YOU CONTINUE DOWN THE AREA OF A1A YOU HAVE VIRTUALLY ALL RESIDENTIAL. THE ONLY COMMERCIAL PARCEL IS THE PIZZERIA THAT IS AT THE EDGE OF THE CITY LIMITS.

WE BELIEVE THIS DOVE TAILS WELL WITH WHAT YOU HAVE THERE.

YOU HAVE THE ONLY HIGHRISE -- VIRTUALLY THE ONLY HIGHRISE THAT IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR. YOU HAVE A BEACHFRONT PARK THAT IS ON THE EAST SIDE AND NEVER TO BE DEVELOPED.

YOU HAVE A WELL LIVED IN NEIGHBORHOOD, SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL AND MOSTLY .2-ACRES GENERALLY SPEAKING HOMES.

THERE ARE MANGROVES AND REGULAR, BEAUTIFUL, FLORIDA, COASTAL ENVIRONMENT THAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE.

IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SORT OF FIT A FOOTPRINT OF SOME TYPE, OR EVEN A VERY LIMITED ENDEAVOR THERE AND TALKING WITH STAFF IT MAKES SENSE TO COMPARTMENTALIZE THAT.

IT IS WALKABLE AND YOU HAVE EXCELLENT BIKE PATHS AND GREEN WAYS AND WIDE SIDEWALKS TO GET TO THE MORE -- WHAT I WILL CALL

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RECREATIONAL, COMMERCIAL AREA, JUST LESS THAN A MILE NORTH.

SOMETIMES THAT IS THE INVERSE OF CREATING A COMMUNITY LIKE WE HEARD EARLIER. THIS WOULD ALLOW IT TO BE A MORE RESIDENTIAL AND NOT DISTURB THE CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD AND BE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH THE CLOSE RESTAURANTS AND THE OTHER TYPES OF ENTERTAINMENT VENUE THAT'S ARE WITH -- WITHIN A MILE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. SWEENEY?

>> I'M LOOKING AT A BLUEPRINT OF A PHOTO METRIC SYSTEM OF LIED -- OF LIGHTING FOR THE STREETS. I MAY NEED TO ASK STAFF THIS, BUT WHAT IS THE MINIMUM FOR THE STREETLIGHTS IN THE CITY OF FORT

PIERCE? >> FOR STREETS, THAT'S NOT UNDER OUR CODE. THAT IS ENGINEERING FOR STREETS.

>> THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS WE CAN'T GET ANSWERED TONIGHT.

>> AGAIN, IF I MAY, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, AGAIN, A 1A BEING A STATE ROAD, WE WERE WORKING WITH FDOT REGULARLY AND DEP RELATED TO THE MANGROVE ISSUES AND CREST VIEW, THAT IS A CITY ROAD.

>> I AM LOOKING -- >> YOU ARE TALK INTERNAL.

>> INTERNAL STREET STREETLIGHT. >> OH, OKAY.

>> I NOTICE A LOT OF THEM ARE -- >> [INAUDIBLE].

>> THAT IS THE MINIMUM? >> FOR RESIDENTIAL.

>> AND NOW I WILL ASK -- AND UNFORTUNATELY YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS HERE SO I WILL ASK A QUESTION.

I KNOW THAT THE ENGINEERING PERSON HAS GONE THROUGH AND DONE A PLAN ON THIS. WHO ACTUALLY GOES OUT TO CHECK TO SEE IF THESE STATISTIC THAT'S ARE BEING PRESENTED TO THE CITY

ARE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED. >> THE ACTUAL READING OF LIGHT?

>> YES. >> I'M NOT SURE.

>> I GO TO COMMUNITY THAT'S HAVE WONDERFUL BLUEPRINTS THAT INDICATE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE SO MUCH LIGHT ON A STREET, AND THEN WHEN YOU GO TO THE COMMUNITY IT IS BLACKER THAN HECK WHEN YOU GET ON THERE. I KNOW THAT'S A CODE THING AND HOW DO I KNOW WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED WAS NOT IMPLEMENTED? BEING AN ATTORNEY AND A FORMER CITY ATTORNEY --

>> I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAIRS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT YOU CAN EVALUATE IT IN TWO WAYS.

THE FIRST IS THAT IS PART OF THE BUILDING PLANS AND THE REQUIREMENTS. OF COURSE OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF CHECKING AND MAKING SURE VIRTUALLY EVERY ASPECT IS MET INCLUDING PHOTO METRIC STUDIES.

THE SECOND PART IS, AS YOU SAID, SOMETHING THAT IS BUILT AND DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT WHETHER THRAOEU -- WHETHER THROUGH FAILURE OF THE EQUIPMENT, THAT IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. IF IT IS NOT BUILT WE CAN'T RECEIVE CERTIFICATION OF COMPLETION AND CERTIFICATION OF OCCUPANCY. IF THEY FAIL AFTERWARDS, AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE A TOWNHOME ASSOCIATION TO MAINTAIN THOSE

COMMON ELEMENTS. >> YOU HELPED ME OUT WITH A QUESTION THAT I MAY HAVE FOR A LATER DEVELOPMENT.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT MAY BE, BUT GLAD TO HELP YOU.

>> I WAS GOING TO ADD ON TO THAT.

THE ONE-FOOT CANDLE, THE SAME THE SCHOOL DISTRICT USES, IT IS ACTUALLY IN THE BUILDING CODE FOR PARKING AREAS.

THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER WILL TEST IT AS PART OF THE CERTIFICATION PROCESS AND THE CITY ENGINEER MAY REQUIRE THAT FROM THE ELECTRICALLEN KWREUPB -- THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER AS WELL. THE OTHER THING YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR IS LANDSCAPING THAT IF YOU PUT YOUR TREES WHERE YOUR LIGHTS ARE, YOU DON'T GET ANY LIGHTS.

>> RIGHT. >> HAVE YOU REVIEWED THIS?

>> I DID NOT. I WILL PLEAD GUILTY.

I DID NOT REVIEW THE PHOTO METRIC OF THAT.

I HAVE REVIEWED IT AND I AM HAPPY WITH THE DESIGN.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN. BUT WHERE WE DO HAVE CHILDREN I THINK WE CAN SERVE IT FROM THE ROAD ON THE SIDE.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE ROAD AND I DID LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. THERE ARE OPEN SIDEWALKS TO THE AREAS AND THEY DID A NICE JOB WITH THEIR PEDESTRIAN PATHS AND

IT WORKS. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN BRIEFLY FOLLOW. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE BEEN HERE ALL

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AFTERNOON TO SPEAK WITH THE APPLICANTS AND I IMAGINE THERE ARE OTHER SCHOOL-AGED KIDS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OFF OF CREST VIEW TO THE SOUTH. CERTAINLY WE RECOGNIZE THAT.

>> I WAS JUST -- I VISITED -- I VISIT ALL THE SITES.

CHRISTMAS ABUSIVE SOMETIMES, BUT I DO IT ANYWAYS.

IT MAKES UP FOR MISS PRONOUNCING PEOPLE'S NAMES, MAYBE.

CREST VIEW IS A DEVELOPER THAT HAS A LOT OF ROADS IN THAT PART OF OUR COMMUNITY ON HUTCHISON ISLAND.

THEY ARE NOT FULLY DEVELOPED. OF COURSE, YOU WILL BE PUTTING SIDEWALKS ALONG CREST VIEW I ASSUME.

THERE WERE NOTES CONCERNING SIDEWALKS IN THE REAM OF DOCUMENTS I READ THROUGH. I CAN'T RECALLING EXACTLY -- I CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY IF IT WAS THIS DEVELOPMENT TALKING ABOUT

PAYING IN LIEU OF. >> IT WASN'T OURS.

>> IT WAS OVER ON JENKINS ROAD. VERY GOOD.

IT WAS THE APARTMENTS ON SKWR*EBG KINS.

JENKINS. OKAY.

CREST VIEW HAS DONE SIDEWALKS PRESENTLY?

OR DOES IT? >> IT DOES NOT.

>> I WAS JUST THERE AND I CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT DOES OR DOES NOT.

IS THERE GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT FOR SIDEWALKS? > THERE IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE.

HOWEVER, I AM NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAVE COME INTO AGREEMENT OF IN LIEU OF OR TO

BUILD IT? >> AND AGAIN, MR. CHAIR, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE LIVED IN DEVELOPMENTS.

YOU HAVE SINGLE P-FAMILY -- SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS.

IT WOULD BE HARD TO FORCE THAT SIDEWALK ON PRE-EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS. I KNOW IN MY PRIOR EXPERIENCE THERE WERE SITUATIONS WHERE IT WAS A, QUOTE, SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE. YOU WOULD BUILD IN FRONT OF A SET OF 10 OR 12 HOMES AND YOU WOULD HAVE SEFRPL -- SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET IN EITHER DIRECTION.

WE BELIEVE IN CONNECTIVITY. AND A TRADEOFF TO HAVING PUBLIC AMENITIES IS ONCE THEY ARE TRANSFERRED EVEN IF BUILT BY A DEVELOPER. WE RECOGNIZE THAT BALANCE AND WE WANT TO WORK WITH STAFF AS WE CONTINUE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

>> WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO I THINK TO TAG ON AND I'M GONNA PUT SOME WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EITHER A CONSIDERATION OF SIDEWALK ALONG CREST VIEW AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SEVERAL THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS NOW WITH THE PRICE OF CONCRETE OR AT LEAST FACILITATE A BUS STOP ARRANGEMENT SO THAT IF ANY CHILDREN THAT WERE IN THAT DEVELOPMENT ARE NEEDING TO GET ON BUSES HAS A PLACE TO GO TO DO THAT.

>> ABSOLUTELY AND I DON'T THINK THERE IS IN I QUESTION WITH OUR TEAM WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT TO COORDINATE THAT.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. AND PERHAPS WE COULD ADD THAT IN AS A CONGRESS -- CONDITION SO THE COMMISSION HAS SOMETHING TO DO. PWROEU -- BOY, AM I BEING MEAN OR WHAT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD COMMENT THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE WHEN YOU HAVE THIS IN FIELD DEVELOPMENT, YOU MAY HAVE A SITUATION WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON CRESTVIEW AND THE KIDS ARE RELATIVELY STAEUF WALKING -- SAFE WALKING ON THE EDGED PAVEMENT, AS YOU GET MORE TRAFFIC IT MAKES A LESS SAFE SITUATION FOR PEDESTRIANS WALKING.

I WOULD RECOMMEND THEM GOING IN ON CREST VIEW BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS THINGS GET

BUSIER AROUND THERE. >> THANK YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. >> GOOD JOB.

>> GOOD SEEING YOU. >> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANYONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> MR. CHAIR, AT WHAT STAGE DO THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY THE PUBLIC OR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE AREA?

>> THAT IS DONE FOR COMMISSIONER MEETINGS.

>> OKAY. >> IN SOME CASES THE SIGNS ARE PUT OUT BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO THIS MEETING, BUT I DID NOT NOTICE ANY WHEN I WAS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT HAS TO BE DONE PRIOR TO THE COMMISSION MEETINGS. AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A QUASI JEW -- QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD.

[02:20:01]

>> I EPT DANE -- ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. CLEMENTS AND SECOND BY

MR. ARBURY. >> CLEMENTS.

>> YES. >> MR. BUR RGE.

>> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS.

>> YES. >> MR. ARBURY.

>> YES. >> MR. CHAIR.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD SEEING YOU.

[e. Conditional Use - McAteer Residence - 326 South 2nd Street]

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 7E, CONDITIONAL USE OF MCATEER RESIDENCE, 326 SOUTH SECOND STREET.

THIS WENT BEFORE THE -- THIS WENT BEFORE THE PRESS -- PRESERVATION BOARD IN THEIR LAST MEETING ON THE 5TH.

>> RIGHT. AND THEY ROAM -- THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AT THAT TIME.

>> PLANNING BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU IS AN APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR MCATEER RESIDENCE AT 326 SOUTH SECOND STREET. THE THE SECTION IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE CITY CODE, ARTICLE 5. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION IN ORDER TO CONVERT THE EXISTING 2,833 SQUARE FEET OFFICE BUILDING CONSTRUCTED AS A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL USE INCLUDING AN EXTENSION OF THE BACK PORCH, ADDITION OF A SWIMMING POOL, REMODELING OF THE GARAGE AND ADDITION OF ENTRY PERGOLA AND A REMOVING OF PART OF PARKING LOT.

BACKGROUND, THE SUBJECT BUILDING IS IN OFFICE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT C1. THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY IS OFFICES CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

THE HOSPITAL IS LOCATED NORTH OF CITRUS AVENUE AND WEST OF SOUTH INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND EAST OF SOUTH SECOND STREET.

COMMERCIAL, EDUCATIONAL AND RESIDENTIAL.

THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE WILL REPLACE THE EXISTING OFFICE SPACE. THIS THIS -- THIS IS A LOCATION MAP OF THE PARCEL. THE ZONING OF C1 AND HERE IS IMAGES OF THE RIGHT NOW OFFICE BUILDING, BUT THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES FOR CONTEXT. THIS IS THE EXISTING ON THE LEFT AND THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN ON THE RIGHT.

THIS IS THE RENOVATION THAT'S ARE GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE FIRST FLOOR PLAN AND THEN THE RENOVATIONS ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

HERE ARE SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE PROPOSED BUILDING.

THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE REVIEWED A REQUEST AT NOVEMBER 17TH, 2022 MEETING. THERE WERE NO COMMENTS EXCEPT THE FOLLOWING FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHICH IS THEIR USUAL COMMENTS THEY MAKE IN A REVIEW OF BUILDINGS.

THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD RECEIVED AND APPROVED THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS FOR ALL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES ON THE OCTOBER 24TH, 2022 MEETING.

THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THE REQUESTED USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION IS CONSISTENT WITH CITY CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DOES NOT ADVERSE -- ADVERSELY AFFECT THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE STAFF. THEY RECOMMEND A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST.

THANK YOU. >> WHAT TRIGGERED THE

CONDITIONAL USE? >> THE ZONING.

IT IS ZONED AS C1 AND IT IS GOING BACK TO A RESIDENTIAL USE.

>> SKWR DID IT -- WHY DID IT NOT COME IN FOR A REZONE STPH-G.

>> THE OPTION IS -- >> THE OPTION IS TO DO THAT OR

GO FOR CONDITIONAL USE. >> CONDITIONAL USE DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY REZONE THE PROPERTY.

>> RIGHT. >> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS PROPERTY WERE TO BE SOLD FOR RESIDENTIAL USE AGAIN?

>> THAT USE WOULD THEN BE THE USE THAT WAS AGREED UPON HERE

AND SO THAT CAN STILL DE BE -- >> CONDITIONAL USE FOLLOWS THE PROPERTY AS LONG AS IT IS CONTINUED TO BE USED FOR

RESIDENTIAL. >> EXACTLY.

>> SAY I PURCHASE IT AND DECIDE TO USE IT FOR AN OFFICE AGAIN.

>> LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE COMING BACK IN -- WELL, NO.

>> IF YOU REZONE IT, YOU ARE REMOVING THE OPTION TO COME BACK

IN AS AN OFFICE POTENTIALLY. >> WE ARE NOT REZONING.

[02:25:06]

IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE EXISTING ZONES.

>> IF YOU CAME BACK AND DECIDED I WANT TO GET THIS BACK INTO COMMERCIAL USE, THEN IT WOULD BE A ZONING APPLICATION.

ESSENTIALLY IF YOU WERE EXPANDING THE BUILDING YOU WOULD NEED TO MEET THE PARKING AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING AND THEIR SET STANDARDS. THAT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE

APPROVAL. >> AND ONCE THAT WERE TO BE DONE, THEN THE CONDITIONAL USE NO LONGER FOLLOWS THE PROPERTY.

>> CORRECT. >> THE LINES GET A LITTLE BLURRED SOMETIMES. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS?

>> CURIOUS ON HOW OLD IS THE BUILDING IS MY ONLY QUESTION?

>> OLD. >> I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AND I

-- >> I WASN'T THE PLANNER WHO REVIEW THEY HAD SO UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER.

>> PERHAPS THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN ANSWER THAT.

I WENT BACK TO COUNTY RECORDS AND LOOKED AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT I FOUND. I WAS LOOKING AT A COUPLE OF PROPERTIES AT THE SAME TIME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE WILL TRY TO GET AN ANSWER FOR THAT.

>> I THINK IT IS ABOUT A HUNDRED YEARS OLD.

>> IT'S BEEN THERE A LONGTIME. IT IS OLDER THAN I AM.

>> I WOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

ANYONE WANTING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE STEP FORWARD.

MR. MENARD WILL BE ABLE TO TELL US THE DATE AND THE TIME THAT IT

WAS -- >> MIKE MENARD, MENARD'S TECTONICS. I THINK THE MASTER SITE IS FROM 1920, BUT THE PLANNING OR THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS HAVE IT 1916 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT IS 1916, 1920.

WE ARE COMPLETELY GOING THROUGH IT AND REVIEWING THE MISH-MASH SYEDING -- SIDING AND NEW WINDOWS AND FLOORING AND BRINGING IT UP TO WHAT WE CAN POSSIBLY DO BEST AS FAR AS THE CO-CRITERIA. STILL KEEP THE CHARACTER.

>> QUESTIONS? >> NO.

JUST CURIOUS, DO ANY OF OUR HISTORICAL HOMES HAVE LIKE

PLAQUES ON THEM? >> SOME DO.

YES. >> WHAT IS IT DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THIS? WHAT IS THAT PROFPT -- PROPERTY?

>> DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH? >> PARDON ME.

THE NORTH. >> THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE IT A

DAYCARE. >> IT IS STILL VACANT.

DOES ANYBODY OWN IT? I CAN REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING ABOUT DAYCARE AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

>> FUN ONE. I WISH THEY WOULD HAVE DONE IT.

>> PERHAPS SOMEBODY WILL PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND TURN IT BACK INTO A RESIDENCE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE SOME ACTIVITY ALONG THERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOT SEEING ANY, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANYONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND COME BACK AND ASK FOR QUESTIONS FROM STAFF. NOT HEARING ANY I WILL ENTERTAIN

A MOTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MS. CLEMENTS AND SECOND BY MR. EDWARDS.

CALL ROLE POLICE. >> MR. EDWARDS.

>> MR. BUU -- DURGE. >> YES.

[f. Conditional Use - Synergy School of Tomorrow - 5900 Tedder Road]

>> THIS NEXT PROPBLG -- PROJECT I REALLY LIKE.

I HAVE SPENT A COUPLE HOURS OUT AROUND THIS PROPERTY THE OTHER DAY AND WALKED IT. IT IS NOT ONLY A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT IS A GREAT USE FOR WHAT IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED. I HOPE WE HAVE THE SAME PRESENTATION AS THE COMMISSION GOT AVAILABLE TO US TODAY.

AS MUCH AS WE CAN GET THIS IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD. SYNERGY HAS BEEN DOING A GREAT JOB IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND I CONTINUE TO WANT TO SEE

[02:30:02]

THEM DOING A GOOD JOB. WITH THAT --

>> PERFECT. PLANNING BOARD AND PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN, TODAY BEFORE YOU IS AN APRIL -- APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR SYNERGY SCHOOL OF TOMORROW AT KNIFE 900 TEDDER ROAD. THIS IS A LOCATION MAP OF THE 5.2 ACRE PARCEL. IT IS JUST EAST OF I-95 AND NORTH OF THE EXIT TO GET OFF. THE ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PARCEL ITSELF IS RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY AND R1 WHICH IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND THERE IS OFFICE AND C1 OFFICE COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO A PD. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR ONE OF THE BUILDINGS AND TWO ARE ON THE OTHER SITE.

THIS IS INSIDE TWO EXISTING STRUCTURES.

THE TIMES OF SCHOOL WOULD BE BETWEEN 9 A.M. TO 4:30 P.M.

IT EMPLOYS 20 TO 25 STAFF MEMBERS AND THE TENTATIVE CAPACITY IS 300 6 TO 8TH GRADE RESTAURANTS -- STUDENTS.

THIS IS WHERE THE GYMNASIUM IS AT.

IN IS AN AERIAL OF THE -- THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE PARKING AND BUS LOADING ZONE. THERE IS AN AREA FOR BUSES AND

PARENTS TO DROP OFF CHILDREN. >> THERE IS A PROPOSED USE OF ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE WITH LIMITED COMMERCIAL USE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD AND GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THEREFORE, THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. THE PLANNING BOARD'S ACTION IS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO CHANGES AND APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE. THANK YOU.

>> I CAN REMEMBER WHEN THIS IS PART OF INDIAN RIVER COMMUNITY

COLLEGE. >> YES.

>> PRIOR TO IT BECOMING STATE COLLEGE AND IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR A LONGTIME. I THINK IT WAS IN THE COUNTY DISCUSSIONS FROM THE TRC MEETING THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT TEDDER ROAD AND THE CONDITION AND THE WIDTH AND THE ABSENCE OF SIDEWALKS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE I HOPE SOMEONE CAN ADDRESS THAT PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION AND I'M SURE MARTY MAY HAVE SOME INPUT INTO THAT AND CONCERNS AS WELL. COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS?

>> IS THIS AN EXPANSION OF THE SCHOOL OR --

>> THIS IS JUST A USE FOR THE SCHOOL.

>> AM I NOT MISTAKEN THERE IS ANOTHER SCHOOL ON U.S. 1?

IS THAT ANOTHER SCHOOL? >> THAT'S A DIFFERENT SCHOOL -- IT IS PART OF THE SAME SCHOOL -- I SEE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING NOW.

THIS IS SYNERGY MOVING THEIR MIDDLE SCHOOL TO --

>> OH, AWESOME! >> I THOUGHT YOU MEANT THE

BUILDING. >> NO.

>> IN A FASHION IT IS AN EXPANSION OF THE FACILITY FOR SYNERGY. I THINK YOU HAVE SEVERAL LOCATIONS AROUND THE AREA FROM OLEANDER TO SOUTH OF MIDWAY ROAD TO U.S. 1 AND THAT FACILITY THAT YOU TOOK OVER AT U.S. 1 AND THE WAY THAT IS BEING USED IS PHENOMENAL.

I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MR. BURGE YOU ARE AWFUL QUIET

ABOUT THIS. >> I WAS GOING TO ASK MR. SANDERS IF HE CAN HELP ME. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL SCHOOL

THERE? >> INDIAN RIVER ACADEMY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> A PRIVATE SCHOOL.

>> WE UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CAME FROM.

>> INDIAN RIVER UH -- ACADEMY, THEY CLOSED DOWN AFTER THE BUS ACCIDENT BELIEVE IT OR NOT ON THE WALTON ROAD AND WAS HIT BY A TRAIN. THROUGH LITIGATION THAT FACILITY

FINALLY CLOSED. >> AND THEN IT WENT TO THE

COLLEGE. >> THE COLLEGE PURCHASED IT AND I THINK THEY WERE RUNNING SOME ACADEMY OUT OF THERE, A POLICE ACADEMY. AND THEN WHEN THEY BUILT THE NEW FACILITY ON PERVY LOOP -- BETWEEN THE TWO OF US WE CAN SPIT IT OUT -- IT NO LONGER NEEDS THE FACILITY.

IT HAS BEEN VACANT AND THEY WERE STORING MATERIAL THERE.

WE WENT OVER THERE AND THERE WAS NOBODY THERE, BUT PROPS.

[02:35:01]

IT IS A GOOD USE FOR THE SCHOOL AND MAKES SENSE.

>> IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED AS A SCHOOL.

SO IT IS GOING TO GO BACK TO THAT USE AGAIN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. I COULDN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF

THE SCHOOL. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> I JUST LEARNED SOMETHING FROM

YOU THERE. >> I KNEW THAT.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

THAT'S WHY YOU NEED LONGEVITY ON THE BOARD.

>> I AGREE. IT IS THE HISTORICAL VALUE.

>> OLD PEOPLE MATTER. >> MR. SANDERS AND I HAVE WORKED IT ALL OUT FOR YOU. > CAN I MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT? I HAD SOMEBODY CALL IN ABOUT THIS AND THEY SAW THE CONDITIONAL USE AND GAVE ME SOME BACKGROUND OF THE HISTORY OF WHY THE SCHOOL WAS EVEN BUILT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK THAT -- SO UNFORTUNATELY THIS SCHOOL WAS BUILT FOR SEGREGATION REASONS FOR WHITE STUDENTS.

I THINK IT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING TO UNDO THAT HISTORY AND TO ENSURE THAT THIS SCHOOL IS FOR ANYBODY.

>> I AGREE. YES.

OKAY. NOT HAVING ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FOR STAFF, I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, BRAD CURRY. THE BOARD AND STAFF AND MR. SANDERS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB DOO -- JOB DOING MY PRESENTATION FOR ME. I WILL SIT DOWN.

YOU ANSWERED MOST OF THE QUESTIONS.

WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM SYNERGY TO PRESENT, BUT IT IS NOT THE SAME AS THEY GAVE TO CITY COUNCIL.

THAT WAS FOR A DIFFERENT ITEM. IT SEEMS SIMPLE ENOUGH FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE. IT WAS BUILT AS A SCHOOL AND IT WILL BE USED AS A SCHOOL. IT HAS PLENTY OF PARKING AND THE BUS LOOP. FROM A SIDEWALK PERSPECTIVE, MOST OF THE STUDENTS HAVE FREE BUSING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SCHOOL. ALL OF THE STUDENTS WILL BE BUSSED OR DRIVEN HERE BY THEIR PARENTS.

AGAIN, THE BUS LOOP DOES FUNCTION AND THERE IS A TON OF PARKING. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO ME THAT WANT TO DO A SCHOOL OR PRESCHOOL AND I SAY WHERE IS YOUR STACKING AND PARENTS DROP OFF? TO ME THIS IS A GEM. SYNERGY HAS BEEN LOOKING TO EXPAND FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES AND THIS IS A PERFECT FIT.

WITH THAT I WILL BRING THE SPOKESPERSON FOR SYNERGY SCHOOLS

AND TELL YOU MORE ABOUT IT. >> IT IS A SHAME YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR PRESENTATION WITH YOU. YOU DID A GREAT JOB WITH IT ON MONDAY -- LAST MONDAY WITH THE COMMISSION.

IF ANYBODY IS INTERESTED IN SEEING THAT PRESENT -- PRESENTATION AND I RECOMMEND YOU GO AND LOOK AT THE VIDEO FROM THE COMMISSION MEETING AND GET A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE AND WHAT IS GOING ON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US. I SIT ON THE ADVISORY BOARD.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT HAVING THAT WONDERFUL PRESENATION.

I FIGURED IT WOULD BE A TECHNICAL CONVERSATION.

WHAT I DO HAVE I WILL GIVE YOU SOME IT -- GIVE YOU SOME FLIERS.

>> NORMALLY I WOULD HAVE YOU GIVE THAT TO THE CLERK.

YOU ARE QUICK AND READY TO GO. WE ALL KNOW YOU AROUND HERE

ANYWAY. >> I WEAR MANY HATS.

SYNERGY SCHOOL IS AMAZING. IT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS.

THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE SCHOOL STARTED IT BECAUSE HER OWN CHILDREN -- SHE GRADUATE ETF THERE AND THERE IS 800 STUDENTS TODAY, JUST AN AMAZING TESTIMONY OF GOOD STEWARD SHIP.

I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE SEGREGATION THING AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOVE ABOUT SYNERGY IS 90, 95% OF OUR STUDENTS ARE ON STEP UP SCHOLARSHIPS. MANY MINORITIES INCLUDING AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND VARIOUS RACES ATTEND THE SCHOOL THROUGH STEP UP. AND SO OUR SCHOOL IS VERY DIVERSE AND A BEAUTIFUL GEM FOR THE COMMUNITY.

IT IS NOT JUST A REGULAR SCHOOL. IT IS A VOCATIONAL SCHOOL.

WE HAVE MANY VOCATIONS. WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION, TECHNOLOGY LAB AND I RECOMMEND YOU DO A TOUR AND SEE IT.

IT IS TRULY A BEAUTIFUL THING TO HAVE OUR STUDENTS PARTICIPATE AND GET SOME CREDENTIALS WHEN THEY LEAVE WITH AN APPRENTICESHIP IN VARIOUS TRADES AND THEY CAN GO INTO THE FOUR-YEAR ADULT ONE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I

[02:40:01]

WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER AYTHING REGARDING THE SCHOOL.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. >> YES, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN THE FUTURE. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING.

>> I MEAN I'M SURE THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME

CONVERSATIONS FOR ITS USE ALSO. >> ONE OF THE THINGS -- WHEN WE WERE AT THE ORANGE BLOSSOM MALL BEFORE WE WERE FLOODED AND HAD TO RELOCATE IF YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN A DISPLAY OF TALENT, WE HAD A MASSIVE STAGE THERE -- HOW MANY STUDENTS? AND THEY WOULD DO A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THE NUTCRACKER AND WE ARE DOING DANCE AND ARTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR A LONGTIME.

>> COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

AND I WOULD COME BACK TO ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM STAFF. SKWAEU I HAVE LOOKED --

>> I HAVE LOOKED AT THIS AND BRAD LOVES MY SIDEWALK COMMENTS.

I LOOKED AT IT AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SCHOOL.

IT HAS WHAT I WILL CALL A LARGER WATER SHED WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM A MUCH LARGER AREA AND IF IT MAKES SENSE TO IGNORE THE SIDEWALK ITSELF MIGHT BE HERE WHERE WE HAVE AN EXISTING FACILITY AND WE ARE REALLY JUST LOOKING AT GOING BACK TO ORIGINAL USE, BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT REMODELING AND

BRINGING IT BACK TO LIFE. >> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE STEP UP

PROGRAM? >> I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT IT.

IT IS A VOUCHER PROGRAM. IT ALLOWS STUDENTS TO GET A SCHOLARSHIP TO GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE FROM JOHN CAROL TO SAN ANNASTACIA.

THEY ALL HAVE STEP UP SCHOLARSHIPS.

THE STATE HAS OPENED UP A VARIETY OFFAL -- OFFAL -- OF ALTERNATIVE PROJECTS FOR SCHOOLS IN THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S JUST ONE OF THEM. ONE -- THAT ONE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR MORE ECONOMICALLY NEEDY STUDENTS.

>> DO YOU HAVE TO -- WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO EXPAND ON THAT AT

ALL? >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU, EVERYBODY. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT --

>> CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? EXCUSE ME. CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME

FOR THE RECORD. >> [INAUDIBLE] CURRY.

>> THANK YOU. >> IT IS AN INCOME-BASED SCHOLARSHIP. SO BASICALLY IT IS THE POVERTY LEVEL. AND SO WE ARE ABLE TO GIVE KIDS ON THE SAME DOLLARS, THE SAME VOUCHER THAT YOU NAMED ALL OF THE OTHER SCHOOLS, WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE A VOCATIONAL TRAINING INCLUDED SPORTS, THE ARTS AS WELL BECAUSE WE DON'T CHARGE THE PARENTS FOR THOSE THINGS ON TOP. WE GO OUT AND FUNDRAISE AND WE GET THE MONEY IN DIFFERENT WAYS. IT IS EXCITIG TO SEE THESE KIDS WITH HANDS ON LEARNING. AND I WANTED TO SAY THIS ABOUT OUR CHEF. SHE RUNS THE KITCHEN PROGRAM.

WE ARE DOING 40,000, 45,000 FREE, NO CHARGE MEALS EVERY MONTH. THAT'S ANOTHER THING IS CULINARY DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION AND CULINARY AND COSMETOLOGY AND I.T. AND CINEMA ARTS AND DIGITAL ARTS. THESE KIDS GET TO HAVE THE BEST.

I BELIEVE OUR KIDS IN FORT PIERCE DESERVE IT.

>> IT IS NOT JUST THE ACADEMIC SIDE OF THEIR EDUCATIONAL VALUE.

IT CARRIES OVER TO THE VOCATIONAL SIDE AS WELL.

>> WE BELIEVE EVERY CHILD IS DIFFERENT AND NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO GO TO COLLEGE. SOME KIDS NEED AN ALTERNATIVE.

I BELIEVE APPRENTICESHIP TRAINING AND JOBS AND CAREERS ARE THE NEXT STEP. IT IS WORKING WITH THEIR HANDS AND KEEPING THEM BUSY WITH SOMETHING -- ENGAGE WITH SOMETHING THEY LOVE. THEY WILL GRADUATE WITH A FULL

HIGH SCHOOL DEGREE, DIPLOMA. >> I'M GLAD YOU ARE IN THIS BUSINESS. I HAVE BEEN PROMOTING THE VOCATIONAL SIDE OF EDUCATION NOW FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS BECAUSE IT

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SEEMED SOMEWHERE 40 TO 50 YEARS AGO TO START TO DRIFT AWAY.

WE NEED TO REALLY GET BACK TO THE BASICS AND GET BACK TO

VOCATIONAL TRAINING. >> YES, SIR.

THERE IS A BIG GAP. >> WE HAVE BEEN BLIND TO IT FOR SO LONG. I'M GLAD YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU

ARE DOING. >> I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE YOU

ALL TO COME AND SEE. >> I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. CLEMENTS AND SECOND BY

MR. BURBGE. >> MR. ALBURY.

>> YES. >> MR. BURDGE.

>> MR. EDWARDS. >> YES.

>> I THINK MR. BURDGE NEEDS TO LEAVE --

>> I AM GOING TO STAY. THEY CAN DO WITHOUT ME.

HAVE I A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. >> DOES ANYBODY NEED TO TAKE A BREAK? WE WILL KEEP GOING.

[g. Conditional Use - Longman Garage and Guest House - 1506 Thumb Point Drive (Resubmittal)]

NEXT ITEM IS 7G. KOPBLG DECISIONAL -- CONDITIONAL USE LONGMAN GARAGE AND GUEST HOUSE 1506 THUMB POINT DRIVE.

THIS IS A RESUBMIT TALL. I BELIEVE WE HEARD THIS LAST MONTH AND IT HAS BEEN RESUBMITTED FOR REVIEW.

>> CORRECT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, PLANNING CHAIRMAN AND PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS.

BEFORE IS YOU CONDITIONAL USE FOR 1506 THUMB POINT DRIVE.

THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE WESTERN PORTION OF THUMB POINT DRIVE. AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 0.867 ACRES PLUS OR MINUS -FPLTS. IT HAS A FUTURE LAND USE OF RL RESIDENIAL LOW DENSITY AND R1, SINGLE-FAMILY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN YOU SAW AT YOUR MEETING ON NOVEMBER 14TH, 2022.

THEY SUBMITTED THIS BY ADDING THE PROPOSED SETBACKS OF THE STRUCTURE. THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR THE BUILDING AND THE GARAGE IS 1,974 AND SECOND FLOOR GUEST HOUSE IS 1,974 AS WELL WITH A 270 SQUARE FOOT BALCONY.

A REVISION WAS SUBMITTED. THAT'S THE SAME ONE.

THEY SUBMITTED A -- I CAN PULL OUT A REVISION AND THE PACKET.

THEY SUBMITTED A REVISION TO THE ELEVATION.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN. THE FIRST FLOOR GARAGE.

THE SECOND FLOOR IS THE LAUNDRY ROOM.

THE PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED DENIAL AT THEIR NOVEMBER 14TH 2022 MEETING. POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE, AND YOU CAN SEE THE REVISED ELEVATIONS AND I WILL PULL THAT UP.

>> I THINK IT IS NOW 33 -- AROUND 33 FEET TO THE PEAK OF

THE ROOF? >> YES.

>> WHAT CHANGED TO BRING THAT DOWN FROM WHERE IT WAS.

>> I THINK THE ISSUE LAST TIME WAS THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY THE

MAXIMUM. >> AND THERE WAS A KITCHEN IN IT IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN AND NOW WE ARE CALLING IT A WET BAR.

THE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS THE SETBACK ON THE SIDE

PROPERTY LINE. >> CORRECT.

>> WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS

10 FEET? >> NO.

7. >> 7 FEET.

>> CORRECT. >> SO THAT HAS ALL BEEN

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ACCOUNTED FOR ON THE NEW DRAWING?

>> CORRECT. HOLD THAT UP THE BEST I COULD.

>> THIS IS THE NEW ELEVATION. THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED WHAT LOOKS LIKE SOME ARCHITECTURAL -- WHAT LOOKS LIKE A STUCCO DESIGN FOR THE WALL. THERE IT IS.

THIS IS THE NEW DESIGN. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR

MR. GILMORE. >> FOR CLARIFICATION, THEY DID

CHANGE THE EXTERIOR? >> THEY CHANGED THE EXTERIOR.

THEY HAVE ADDED THE DIMENSIONS TO BE MORE VISIBLE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT IS AND THE SETBACKS AND WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE FOR THE STRUCTURE AND THEY HAVE ALSO OUT LINED THAT IT WILL JUST BE A WET BAR AND NOT A FULL -- NOT A COMPLETE KITCHEN.

>> I GUESS MY CONCERN IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IT REMAINS A WET BAR AND NOT BECOME A FULL KITCHEN? OUTSIDE OF ADDING A MICROWAVE STKPH -- MICROWAVE? IS THERE ANYWAY TECHNICALLY TO DO THAT?

>> TECHNICALLY BY CODE ENFORCEMENT AND VISITING THE

SITE REALLY THAT'S IT. >> IT IS BACK TO PERMITTING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND COMPLETION. AFTER THAT, NOT SO MUCH.

>> WHERE THE ISLAND IS NEXT TO THE SINK, THAT APPEARS TO BE A

DISHWASHER? >> DOWN HERE?

>> YES. >> I'M NOT SURE.

>> THAT APPEARS TO BE AN OVEN AND A FLAT GRILL AND THERE IS A FLAT RANGE OR SOME SORT OF STOVE ATTACHMENT.

IF THERE IS A 20-AMP TPAOUZ -- FUZE THERE IS A REASON.

FUSE THERE IS A REASON. IT IS NOT JUST FOR A WET BAR.

IT IS FOR A STOVE. EVEN A MICROWAVE OVEN REQUIRES A SEPARATE CIRCUIT ABOVE THE STOVE.

THEY REQUIRE A SEPARATE UNIT, A 20-AMP FUSE FOR THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF THE WATT TEPBLG THEY USE.

>> IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, THE PLANS IN THE PACKET, THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE IS A 200-AMP SERVICE IN THE BUILDING.

>> MY APARTMENT IS ONLY 125-AMPS.

I HAVE A STOVE, A DISHWASHER AND A WET BAR.

I HAVE A HOT WATER HEATER, LAUNDROMAT.

>> WELL, THE APPLICANT IS HERE SO I CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING TO GET SOME ANSWERS.

>> I JUST WANTED SOME IDEA OF WHAT WE ARE WALKING INTO.

>> BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE LAST MEETING.

WHY WAS IT DENIED AGAIN? >> A LOT OF IT HAD TO DO WITH

ZONING. >> FROM WHAT I GATHERED BECAUSE I WASN'T THERE, IT JUST SEEMED LIKE IT WASN'T CLEAR ON WHAT WAS BEING PRESENTED AS FAR AS THE SETBACKS WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A KITCHEN OR A KITCHENETTE OR A WET BAR SO THE APPLICANT RESUBMITTED TO CLARIFY WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS THAT OCCURRED.

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>> IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT THE KITCHEN WAS IDENTIFIED AS A

KITCHEN. >> CORRECT.

THE CONDITIONAL USE IS FOR THE HEIGHT.

>> SO THE APPLICATION IS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD FOR THE

HEIGHT EXCEPTION. >> OKAY.

SO WHY IS A KITCHEN BEING MENTIONED IF IT IS ABOUT HEIGHT?

>> THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED PLANS WITH A KITCHEN IDENTIFIED.

THIS PARTICULAR ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW AN ADDITIONAL UNIT.

>> WITH A KITCHEN. >> MOST OF OUR DISTRICTS, YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED AN ADDITIONAL UNIT IF IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE YOU CAN HAVE A GUEST HOUSE WITHOUT KITCHEN FACILITY. THIS IS TO CLARIFY AND NOW I GUESS TRYING TO BE DETERMINED IF THIS IS A KITCHEN OR NOT.

>> OKAY. >> AND THE BOARD FURTHER RESTRICTED IN TERMS OF MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN DUE TO STATE STATUTE OUTS.

STATUTES. WE CAN'T ASK THEM TO DO ANYTHING TO THE DESIGN. THE ASK TODAY IS FOR THE HEIGHT EXCEPTION. IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED DURING THE PROCESS THAT A KITCHEN WAS MARKED ON THE PLAN.

I DON'T WANT ANY ASSOCIATION THAT THE BOARD IS APPROVING A -- AN ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNIT WITH THIS THAT IS NOT PART OF THE APPLICATION, BUT IT IS PART OF THE DETERMINATION OF DOES THIS NEED TO BE AS HIGH AS IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED.

>> OKAY. SO IT'S -- IT'S THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S POSITION THAT THE ONLY CONSIDERATION THAT THIS BOARD CAN TAKE ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE FOR HEIGHT. THE QUESTION OF WHETHER IT IS OR

NOT A KITCHEN -- >> I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THAT IF THIS UNIT IS TO BE HABITABLE, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE HEIGHT INCREASE. YOU CAN A UNIT THAT IS HABITABLE WITH A HEIGHT INCREASE, BUT IT CANNOT HAVE A KITCHEN.

>> A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW BASED ON A LAYMAN'S DISCUSSION, SHOULD IT HAVE OR NOT HAVE A KITCHEN IS NOT SOMETHING WE COULD DENY THE

PROJECT. >> YOU COULD APPROVE THE HEIGHT INCREASE WITH A CONDITION THAT YOU'RE NOT -- IT DOES NOT

INCORPORATE THE CONDITION. >> YOU PREFER TO SEE THAT THROUGH A CONDITION OF THE APPLICATIONS MOVING FORWARD?

>> YES. >> IF THAT WAS THE PLANNING BOARD'S ROUTE YOU WOULD BE APPROVING THE HEIGHT BY THE UNIT AS PART OF THE HEIGHT INCREASE AND IT SHOULD NOT INCLUDE

KITCHEN. >> AND THE BUILDING WOULD REVIEW THAT IN CLOSELY WITH OR WITHOUT THE CONDITION.

>> SO IF THE BOARD'S DESIRE IS TO INCLUDE THE CONDITION THAT A CONDITION CANNOT BE A PART OF THIS MOVING FORWARD WE CAN DO THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?

>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT IF -- THAT WE DID RECEIVE --

>> WELL THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT SO GOOD.

I GUESS I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE THAT BUTTON AFTER ALL.

>> WRONG BUTTON. >> WE DID RECEIVE SOME EMAILS FROM SOME PEOPLE AND THEY SAID THEY WERE UNABLE TO MAKE IT.

I ALSO ADDED SOME SLIDES OF SOME NEARBY BY PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALSO TWO STORIES. SO THIS IS A NORTH ELEVATION OF THE STREET. THE HOME WOULD BE TO THE LEFT AND THIS IS FURTHER NORTH. AND THERE IS A HOME ON THE RIGHT

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WHICH IS TWO STORIES. AND IT IS ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET. AND THEN LOOKING TO THE SOUTH, THIS IS A SOUTH ELEVATION. THE HOME WOULD BE ON THE RIGHT THIS TIME AND THIS IS FURTHER SOUTH.

AND THERE IS A HOME ON THE LEFT WHICH IS TWO STORIES.

AND THE NEXT SLIDE IT SHOWS YOU ALL OF THE TWO-STORY HOMES.

SO 1506 THUMB POINT DRIVE IS IN THE RED.

1509 WHICH IS BASICALLY ACROSS THE STREET IS A TWO-STORY SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. AND THEN THERE IS 1606 WHICH IS THUMB POINT DRIVE, TWO STORIES. 1610, 1613 AND 1615.

>> THERE ARE RATHER TALL PROPERTIES.

>> FOR REFERENCE. YEAH.

>> ANYTHING FURTHER FOR STAFF? NOT HEARING ANY I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK -- HEAR

FROM THE APPLICANT. >> YES, SIR.

>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN.

>> DANIEL LONGMAN. AND YES, THIS IS THE CURRENT HOME THAT'S THERE DOES NOT HAVE A GARAGE.

THIS IS GOING TO BE A GARAGE THAT WE ARE GOING TO STORE WATER CRAFT IN. THAT'S THE NEED FOR THE HEIGHT.

THE UP STKAEURS -- THE UPSTAIRS IS GOING TO BE AN APARTMENT OR LIVING QUARTERS WHILE WE RE-DO THE MAIN HOUSE.

THE UPPER AREA WAS TURNED INTO A GYM.

THE PLAN IS NOT TO HAVE IT BE A REAL DWELLING OTHER THAN OVER FLOW. THE CURRENTS HOUSE -- IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A GARAGE, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A GARAGE.

IT KILLS TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.

THE CEILING AND THE GARAGE SAYS 14 FEET.

THE DOORS ARE 12 FEET SO I CAN GET IT IN THERE AND STORE IT DURING HURRICANE SEASON. THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THE CONDITIONAL USE IS FOR THE HEIGHT.

I BELIEVE THE CODE SAYS YOU CAN GO TO 35 FEET WITH PERMISSION.

WE ARE GOING TO 33.7. WE CAN BUILD IT AT 28 FEET UNDER THE CODE WITHOUT CONDITIONAL USE.

WE ARE LOOKING FOR FIVE AND A HALF FEET, ROUGHLY.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE PITCH OF THE ROOF.

IF WE DID A FLAT ROOF WE WOULD BE AT THAT 28-FOO.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE WE ARE AT.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>> QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? NOT HEARING ANY, THANK YOU FOR

YOUR INPUT. >> THANK YOU.

>> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT SMOOTHER HAD YOU BEEN HERE IN

OUR LAST MEETING. >> IT IS A LONG STORY.

I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GO INTO THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY APPLICANT THAT OCCASIONALLY DOES NOT ATTEND THE MEETING. I GENERALLY MAKE A NEGATIVE COMMENT TO THAT WHICH I DID IN YOUR CASE.

>> THANK YOU. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENDING

TODAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS FOR MR. GILMORE? >> OH I HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE

COMING FORWARD? >> CERTAINLY.

>> SIR, JUST A MINUTE. >> MY NAME FIRST?

>> STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IF, PLEASE.

>> DAVID -- >> I THINK YOU SPOKE AT THE LAST

MEETING. >> DAVID HICKS.

YES, I DID. DAVID HICKS 1502 THUMB POINT DRIVE AND NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. LET ME SEE.

ON THUMB POINT, THE WEST SIDE OF THUMB POINT THERE ARE 18 WATER FRONT HOMES. ALL EXCEPT ONE ARE A ONE STORY HOME. THIS IS THE ONE THAT IS A ONE AND A HALF STORY HOME. CAN WE SHOW THE PICTURE?

HOW MANY EMAILS DID YOU GET? >> TWO.

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>> YOU ONLY RECEIVED TWO? AT ANY RATE, YOU HAVE 18 SINGLE-STORY HOMES. IT IS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THUMB POINT. WHAT MR. GILMORE IS SAYING ABOUT THE HIGH HOMES ARE ON THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST SIDE.

AND THE REASON IS THERE IS A THING CALLED FETCH.

IF YOU NOTICE MOST OF THOSE HOMES ARE NEW BECAUSE THE HOMES WERE ORIGINALLY PWEUPLT THERE AND WERE -- BUILT THERE WERE TAKEN OUT IN THE HURRICANE. MOST OF THEM, THERE IS SOME UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, BUT IN THE LAST THREE YEARS THEY WERE BUILT. THEY ARE BUILT UP BECAUSE THE WAVES COME IN THERE ALMOST STRAIGHT FROM STEWART UP TO FORT PIERCE WHERE THE WAVES CAN BUILD UP.

ON THE WEST SIDE OF THUMB POINT IT IS VERY SMALL FETCH.

YOU HAVE HARBOR AISLE AND IT IS RELATIVE LIE THEIR -- NARROW.

THE HOMES ON WEST THUMB POINT HAVE NOT BEEN TAKEN OUT.

MY HOME IS BUILT IN 1959. THERE IS A REASON YOU HAVE THE HIGH HOMES. THIS IS -- FROM A DESIGN, IF WE CAN SHOW THIS, THIS IS THE CURRENT RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY. HOW THEY ARE GOING TO PLAN TO -- IT IS SO DISSIMILAR FROM THE BUILDING THEY ARE BUILDING THAT I THINK IT WAS PURPOSEFUL THAT THE ARCHITECT DID NOT GIVE A REUPB TKERING OF WHAT THE -- RENDERING OF WHAT THE PROJECT WILL LOOK LIKE. I BELIEVE MR. LONGMAN WILL TOED TPAOEU THE RESIDENCE -- WILL MODIFY WHAT THE RESIDENCE AND SHOULDN'T WE SEE WHAT THE PROPERTY WILL LOOK LIKE AS OPPOSED TO WE WILL BUILD THIS AND WHO KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT? JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO -- YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OFY AESTHETICS -- SOME SORT OF AESTHETICS. TH*E -- THEY ARE SO DISSIMILAR.

I THINK THE NEIGHBORHOOD DESERVES A LITTLE BIT OF AN ANSWER AS TO WHAT WILL BE DONE AFTER THIS, I DON'T KNOW, MONSTROSITY IS BUILT. THAT WOULD BE A MAIN POINT THAT I WOULD MAKE. AND I DO HAVE PICTURES OF THE HOMES THAT ARE HIGH UP. THEY ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE.

THEY ARE NOT BOXY LOOKING. CAN WE SHOW A COUPLE OF THESE? THESE ARE ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU HAVE THIS FETCH WHERE THE WAVES ARE GOING TO BUILD UP AND THEY ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE AND REALLY

-- >> MOST OF THOSE HOMES THAT YOU ARE SHOWING PICTURES OF HERE, THE GRADE LEVEL --

>> HAS BEEN RAISED. >> IT MOSTLY STORAGE UNDER THOSE. IT IS RESIDENTS STARTING AT A

HIGHER LEVEL. >> BECAUSE IT WILL PROBABLY BE FLOODED IN THE LOWER LEVEL. THAT'S WHY THEY HAD TO BE BUILT UP. IT IS NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE SOME IMPOSING STRUCTURE RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS COULDN'T SURVIVE IN A HURRICANE IF THEY DIDN'T DO THAT.

IT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT RATIONAL FOR IT.

>> ALL THOSE PROPERTIES CAME BEFORE THIS BOARD AND THE CONVERSATION HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN MOST ALL OF THOSE PROPERTIES THAT THE GRADE LEVEL AREA WAS STORAGE AT SOME ELEVATION AND ABOVE THAT WAS LIVING QUART DASH DARR QUARTERS.

>> AND IT COULD BUILD UP IN THAT PART OF INDIAN RIVER.

IT IS NOT TO GET AN RV OR BOATS IN THE HOUSES, IT IS FOR A WHOLE

DIFFERENT REASON. >> YESES, COMMENTS?

QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> NOT YET.

I WILL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY. IS THERE ANYTHING FURTHER YOU

HAVE? >> NO.

I JUST THINK AESTHETICALLY IT WON'T FIT IN WITH THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EVEN THE TWO STORIES MR. GILMORE MENTIONED ARE NOT 34 FEET HIGH. JEREMIAH JOHNSON'S HOUSE IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. IT IS PROBABLY 25 FEET, IF THAT.

UNLESS YOU GO AROUND TO THE NEW HOMES BUILT FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHY DOES THE HEIGHT BOTHER YOU

SO MUCH. >> IT IS IMPOSING.

WHEN THE OTHER HOMES ARE 17 FEET HIGH AND THEN YOU HAVE A 34-FOOT VERY BOXY LOOKING BUILDING JUST BUILT ON A LOT, NUMBER ONE, PRIVACY ISSUES. THEY CAN LOOK DOWN ON EVERYBODY ELSE'S YARDS AND EVERYBODY ELSE FROM THE BALCONY ON THE BACK, IT HAS A BALCONY AND WALKWAY, BUT IN ADDITION IT IS AN IMPOSING

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STRUCTURE TO PUT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL GARAGE THAN SOMETHING ON A

RESIDENTIAL HOME. >> CAN YOU PLEASE SPEAK IN THE

MICROPHONE? >> I'M SORRY.

>> THERE ARE OTHER TWO-STORY HOMES THERE.

>> VERY FEW. >> MORE THAN A FEW.

WHY DOES THE HEIGHT BOTHER YOU? IT IS NOT LIKE -- IT IS KIND OF ON THE EDGE BY THE WATER. THEY BOUGHT THAT LAND FOR THEIR PERSONAL VIEW, FOR THEIR PERSONAL ACCESS OF THE WATER AND WHAT THEY DO ON THAT LAND AS LONG AS IT IS MEETING HEIGHT REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE A STRONG HANDLE ON, THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IF HE IS MEETING THE

HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS. >> THAT'S ONLY IF YOU'RE GRANTING THE EXCEPTION. HE IS HAVING TO HAVE AN EXCEPTION FOR THIS WHICH IS WHY IT IS CONDITIONAL USE RIGHT NOW.

SO THE FACT IS, IT IS NOT THE MAINSTREAM.

IT IS NOT NORMALLY WHAT IS ALLOWED.

HE WANTS AN EXCEPTION FOR YOU TO LET HIM MAKE IT THIS HIGH.

>> THE CODE HAS A CERTAIN HEIGHT LIMIT AND HE IS NOT EXCEEDING

IT. >> YES, HE IS.

>> HE IS EXCEEDING IT? >> IT IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE.

>> BY HOW MUCH IS HE EXCEEDING IT?

>> 28 VERSUS 33 AND THAT'S FIVE FEET.

>> FIVE AND A HALF IS WHAT HE SAID IN HIS TESTIMONY.

>> WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT BUILDING IS, BUT IT IS A WHITE BUILDING THAT WAS JUST BUILT.

IT WAS A MODERN-LOOKING BUILDING.

WHAT IS THAT HEIGHT? >> [INAUDIBLE].

>> NO. IT IS IN THAT AREA.

>> I THINK THERE HAS BEEN CONDITIONAL USE FOR THAT.

>> FOR BUILDINGS UP TO THE LIMIT.

>> OVER 30. >> IN THIS BLOCK AT SOME POINT THE ARGUMENT IS ACCURATE THAT MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ALONG THAT LOT ARE RANCH-STYLE HOUSES THAT DON'T EVEN REACH THE

28-FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT. >> MOST OF THEM ARE 17-FOOT OR

LESS. >> AS YOU GO DOWN AND AROUND THE BLOCK YOU CAN GET INTO SOME OF THE TALLER HOUSES AND I THINK

THAT HAS BEEN -- >> NOT SO MUCH.

IF ANYTHING THE BUILDING THAT I AM MENTIONING IS KIND OF LIKE ON ITS OWN. I KNOW THERE IS A COUPLE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT ARE AROUND IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, NOT ON THUMB POINT. I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHY DOES THE

HEIGHT BOTHER YOU? >> WHAT IS THE SETBACK ON YOUR

PROPERTY TO YOUR HOUSE? >> SETBACK FROM THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE? FROM THE ROAD OR THE WATER.

>> HOW FAR OFF THE SIDE PROPERTY LINE ARE YOU?

>> PROBABLY ON THE SIDE AND IT IS NEXT TO THE LONGMAN'S IT IS

PROBABLY ABOUT 12 FEET. >> IT WOULD BE 19 FEET AWAY.

>> IT PUTS THIS 28-FOOT BUILDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF --

>> IT WOULD BE 7 PLUS 12, THAT IS 19 FEET AWAY.

>> LESS THAN 20 FEET. INTRUDING ON THE NEIGHBOR?

>> I DIDN'T USE THE WORD INTRUDING.

>> IMPOSING. I'M SORRY.

IMPOSING. IMPOSING ON THE NEIGHBOR NEXT TO

HIM OR THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THE STRUCTURE ITSELF IS AN IMPOSING STRUCTURE TO BE PUT INTO A SINGLE FAMILY ONE-STORY

COMMUNITY IS WHAT I'M SAYING. >> THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND THERE COULD BE TWO STORIES IN THERE.

>> OKAY. >> WITHOUT THE EXCEPTION BEING GRANTED IT WOULD BE 28 FEET I GUESS.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TESTIMONY. K -- ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS FROM THE PUBLIC? NOT SEEING ANYONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? >> I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE

PLANNING DIRECTOR. >> I AM JUMPING AHEAD OF MYSELF.

>> I KNOW WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REBUT THE CONVERSATION. YOU CAN PLEASE STEP UP.

>> I FORGOT TO SIGN THIS LITTLE POST SO I WILL FILL THIS OUT.

BEHIND THE STRUCTURE THERE IS WATER JUST SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING DOWN ON ANYBODY. THE REASON THAT WE ARE HERE TODAY IS JUST FOR THE HEIGHT IT IS NOT FOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND IT IS NOT FOR SETBACKS, ALTHOUGH WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE FOR THE SETBACKS. THIS IS JUST FOR HEIGHT.

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AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE STRICTLY, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONED ON. ALL OF THESE OTHER ISSUES WILL BE DEALT WITH BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

AS FAR AS THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, THE CURRENT HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE -- AND THE PLAN DOWN THE ROAD IS TO MAKE THE TWO STRUCK TOURS -- TWO STRUCTURES FALL. I AM NOT GOING TO CREATE A MONSTROSITY THERE. THAT'S NOT MY INTENTION.

AND SO I JUST WANTED YOU FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND AND HEAR IT FROM ME THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING WHEN IT IS DONE AND THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN THIS BOARD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW PROJECT SPACE ON HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE I BELIEVE IS THE WAY IT IS PHRASED AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS DISCUSSION IS REALLY HOW TALL THIS BUILDING IS COMPARED TO THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO YOU.

>> YES. >> AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND IF YOU WERE THE RESIDENT NEXT DOOR AND SOMEONE WAS GOING TO BUILD THIS STRUCTURE AND YOU FELT LIKE WHEN YOU LOOKED UP AT IT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING UP AT SOME TOWERING BUILDING YOU WOULD HAVE

THE SAME KIND OF COMMENTS. >> THE THING ABOUT THIS STRUCTURE IS IT IS NOT GOING TO INHIBIT SEEING THE WATER FOR THEM. IT WILL NOT INHIBIT THEM SEEING SUNSETS. IT WILL NOT INHIBIT THEM LOOKING TO THE WEST AT ALL. REALLY IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE FROM THAT STANDPOINT. THE BEAUTY OF THE WHOLE POINT IS TO THE WEST AND THE SUNSETS AND THE WATERWAY.

>> YOU ARE EVIDENTLY DOING A REMODEL OF THE PRESENT HOME.

>> YEAH. WE ARE GOING TO RAISE THAT --

>> AND INCREASE THE HEIGHT OF THAT.

>> IT IS NOT GOING TO BE TWO STORIES, BUT WE WILL RAISE IT SO IT FLOWS WITH THE GARAGE. LIKE I SAY, THE CURRENT HOME

DOES NOT HAVE A GARAGE. >> SO WITH THE CONCEPT OF RAISING THE EXISTING HOUSE TO FLOW BETTER WITH THE GARAGE, WOULD YOU NOT ADMIT THAT IT IS TO MINIMIZE THE IDEA THAT THIS PARTICULAR BUILDING IS SO HIGH COMPARED TO YOUR RANCH-STYLE

HOUSE? >> WELL, YEAH.

BACK IN THE DAY WHEN -- MY HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1964 AND BUILT BY THE SHULTZ'S WHO OWNED THE CHEVY DEALERSHIP HERE.

IT HAS SEVEN-FOOT CEILINGS IN IT.

SO IT IS LIKE GOING BACK IN TIME.

>> IF YOU EVER MET SOME OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS, THE SHULTZ

FAMILY. >> I HAVEN'T.

>> THEY WERE TALL. >> OBVIOUSLY.

>> THEY WEREN'T TALL. HE WASN'T TALL AND HIS WIFE

WASN'T TALL. >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE

SAYING. >> OUR INTENTION IS TO MAKE THAT WHOLE THING FLOW AND MAKE THAT ALL LOOK, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS HAVE A GARAGE STICKING UP IN A LITTLE HOUSE. THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> I THINK THAT IS YOUR NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN TOO.

WILL. >> THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T DO THINGS THAT WAY. >> OKAY.

I APPRECIATE IT. >> I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

>> MR. BURDGE? >> WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM LBJ ARCHITECTURE INDICATING THAT THE KITCHEN HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN AND THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY -- IT IS ONLY GOING TO BE A WET BAR. AND THE OWNER ONLY INTENDS TO GUT THE RENOVATION OF THE HOUSE AND THEN TURN THIS AREA UPSTAIRS INTO A GYM. WITH THE KITCHEN BEING GONE -- HERE AGAIN, MY ASPECT WAS A ZONING PROBLEM.

I KNOW THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.

WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT A STRUCTURE.

AND THE STRUCTURE COULD BECOME INCOMPATIBLE TO THE ZONING THAT IS ALLOWED PWAUTS -- BECAUSE THE OLD TYPE A MONTH AGO WHEN THE KITCHEN WAS THERE, IT HAS NOW BEEN FLIPPED TO A WET BAR.

I JUST NEED THE ASSURANCE THAT IT WILL -- IF IT IS GOING TO BE A WET BAR IT WILL STAY A WET BAR AND THIS LETTER INDICATES THAT IT IS GOING TO BE TURNED -- NOT FROM A LIVING FACILITY ANYMORE, BUT INTO A GYM WHICH IS FINE. THAT'S NO PROBLEM.

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WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEMS WITH THE AIRBNB'S AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THINGS. I THINK THAT WAS ALSO POTENTIAL BACK OF THE MIND THOUGHTS OF A MONTH AGO.

I THINK YOU EVEN MADE MENTION AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PRESENTATION THAT A MOTION MIGHT INCLUDE THE ASPECT THAT NO

KITCHEN WOULD BE ALLOWED. >> AND THE STAFF WOULD HAVE A REFERENCE TO THAT DOCUMENT AND THE PLAN AS PART OF THE CONDITION BY REFERENCE DATING THAT STATEMENT AND DATING THAT

PLAN AS PART OF THE CONDITION. >> EXACTLY.

I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL HAPPEN.

I THINK WHATEVER WILL HAPPEN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR FROM NOW IT WILL DO SOMETHING ELSE. I KNOW IT HAPPENED IN MY PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD I ONCE LIVED IN.

A NON-KITCHEN BECAME A KITCHEN. PATH OF THE HOUSE -- THE GUEST HOUSE WAS A RENTAL COMMUNITY. WHETHER THIS IS AN AIRBNB OR WHATEVER ELSE, I DON'T KNOW. I'M LOOKING FOR THE INTECH TKPWRAU TEE OF THE -- THE INTEGRITY OF THE ZONING.

THE ZONING IS NOT ALLOWED TWO DWELLINGS.

>> AND THAT'S OUR CONCERN. >> THAT'S MY CONCERN.

WE GO BACK TO THAT AULZ -- ALWAYS.

THIS DOCUMENT, I AM STILL NOT HAPPY.

BUT IF YOU FEEL HAPPIER AND YOU CAN GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SAY, LISTEN, WHEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS COMPLAINING, HERE IS THE DOCUMENT YOU CAN USE TO TELL HIM TO TAKE THE KITCHEN OUT IF THERE WAS ONE THERE. NOT SAYING THERE IS GOING TO BE.

I THINK THE MAN IS HONORABLE IN WHAT HE WANTS TO DO AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. HE WANTS A PLACE TO RENT.

MY HOUSE IS BEING RENOVATED AND I HAD TO GET OUT FOR TWO WEEKS.

THANK YOU. >> WELCOME.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD, CHAIR, THAT WHATEVER PEOPLE VIEW OF THE ARCHITECTURE INVOLVED HERE, WE HAVE LITTLE CONTROL OVER THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE STANDARDS THAT ALLOW US TO WALK AWAY FROM STATE STATUTE INSTRUCTIONS. IT IS AN ITEM -- A WIDER ITEM THAT WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH.

WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OVER LAY DISTRICTS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE OVERLAY DISTRICTS.

IF WE WANT AS A CITY TO BE INVOLVED WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL INTEGRITY OF SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS OF FORT PIERCE, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO BRING FORWARD SOME STANDARDS, NOT GUIDELINES.

NOT THIS IS A NICE PICTURE. >> DOES THE PRESENT STATE STATUE ALLOW A REVIEW OF ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS AND REPLACE A NEW

ORDER ANYONES -- ORDINANCE? >> IT CALLS OUT AREAS WITHIN CRA'S. MOST OF THESE AREAS WHERE WE HAVE THE OVER LAYS ARE IN THE CRA.

TO DISCUSS ARCHITECTURAL MERITS WITHIN THE AREA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE REGULATIONS. AND WE HAVE GUIDELINES.

WE HAVE PICTURES. IN ESSENCE WE CANNOT MANDATE PARTICULAR STYLES OR PROMOTE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES.

THAT'S ON THE APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.

>> ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT YOU PLACE.

>> ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT AS A CONDITION STAFF WOULD PUT THAE WOULD REFERENCE THE DOCUMENTS THAT MEMBER BURDGE HAS BROUGHT TO ATTENTION. THE STATEMENT AND THE LETTER, THERE IS A PLANNED REFERENCE THAT WE WOULD ADD THAT TO A CONDITION AND THE USE OF THIS ADDITIONAL SPACE CANNOT BE USED TO DESCRIBE IN THE STATEMENT BY THE ARCHITECT OR THE -- YOU KNOW, AND AS DESCRIBED IN A NON-PLAN.

>> CHAIR I WAS GOING TO ADD A COMMENT.

>> IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON ON THUMB POINT, THE REAL ESTATE VALUES, THEY ARE MILLION-DOLLAR HOUSES NOW.

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I HAD A DIFFERENT ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND HE HAD TWO-STORY HOUSES NEXT TO HIM AND ALL BEING REPLACED.

PART IS BECAUSE OF THE FLOOD ELEVATION.

IT IS THREE, FOUR FEET ABOVE THE ROAD ELEVATION TO MEET THE NEW FLOOD ELEVATION. IN ORDER TO PROPERLY PROTECT THE PROPERTY YOU HAVE TO BUILD UP. MANY OF THEM ARE GOING UP TWO STORIES TO DO THAT. IT IS HAPPENING, ESPECIALLY WITH THE 12 OR 1500, 2,000-SQUARE FOOT HOUSES.

THEY ARE BEING BOUGHT UP AND REPLACED BY MUCH LARGER HOUSES

AND IT WILL KEEP HAPPENING. >> I THINK WE WILL SEE MORE OF THIS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SEA LEVEL RISING.

WE HAVE BEEN GET AUGUST LOT MORE.

-- GETTING A LOT MORE. >> HERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT.

WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION FOR 33 AND A HALF

FEET. >> 33.7.

>> 33.7. THE CODE IS PRESENTLY 28 AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE.

>> AND AS A CONDITIONAL USE IT ALLOWS FOR UP TO 35 AS A CONDITIONAL USE. WE ARE BELOW THE HEIGHT OF THE MAXIMUM USE. WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO INCLUDE ONE CONDITION THAT PARALLELS THE LETTER PLACED IN THE FILE.

IF WE CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS, WE ARE APPROVING THE HEIGHT AND SENDING IT TO THE COMMISSION. IF WE CHOOSE TO DISAPPROVE IT, WE ARE DISAPPROVAL -- DISAPPROVING THE HEIGHT.

IT IS UP TO Y'ALL IF YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I APPROVE. IT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE WITH THE STIPULATION OF NO KITCHEN BE IN PLACE.

>> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY CONVERSATION?

>> DID SHE MAKE REFERENCE TO THE LBJ ARCHITECTURAL LETTER THAT

WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT? >> THAT THE GUIDELINES PROVIDED IN THIS LETTER -- IT SAYS NO KITCHEN HERE.

AND IT SAYS WE WILL TURN IT FROM WHATEVER TO A GYM.

TO ME A GYM CAN'T BE RENTED OUT. >> THAT WAS THE TECHNICAL VERBIAGE YOU WERE GOING TO PUT INTO THE RECOMMENDED CONDITION.

>> I WILL AMEND TO INCLUDE THOSE STIPULATIONS.

>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

>> DO THEY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION?

>> YES. >> AS LONG AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT SO IT IS RECORDED CORRECTLY. THAT'S ALL I CARE ABOUT AT THIS

POINT. >> FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> CALL ROLE PLEASE. >> MS. CLEMENTS.

>> YES. >> MR. BURDGE.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MR. EDWARDS.