[00:00:11] >> IT IS MONDAY, FEBRUARY 6TH, 2023. PLEASE START FOR THE OPENING PRAYER WITH RICK CARRAWAY, FOR JESUS AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. >> HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU TODAY WE ASK YOU LOOK UPON THIS MEETING AND TOUCH THE HEARTS OF THE CITY OFFICIALS AS THEY TAKE ON THE AGENDA. ALLOW THE WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE POURED INTO THEM, TO MOVE THROUGH THIS MEETING. LET THE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS TAKE PLACE AND MAY THAT EVERY AGENDA IN THE HOLY PRECIOUS NAME, OF OUR LORD, JESUS AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE, TO THE FLAG, OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD IN THE VISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. . >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> COMMISSIONER GAINS. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] >> APPROVED MINUTES, 2023 REGULAR MEETING. >> AND CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? [a. Presentation by the Florida County & City Management Association - Certificate of Recognition to the City of Fort Pierce by John Coffey for its 100 years of operating under the Commission-Manager form of government.] >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. . >> AND NEXT, WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION BY THE FLORIDA, AND CITY MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF RECOGNITION WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BY MR. JOHN COFFEY, FOR THE 1 HUNDRED YEARS OF OPERATING UNDER THE COMMISSIONER MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT. >> WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR HUDSON, CITY COMMISSIONERS, RESIDENTS OF BEAUTIFUL CITY OF FORT PIERCE. MY NAME IS JOHN COFFEY, CITY OF HARBOR BEACH BREVARD COUNTY. I'M HERE, BECAUSE ALL ROADS LEAD TO FORT PIERCE, ESPECIALLY I-95. I SERVE IN THE ASSOCIATION COMMUNICATION COMMITTEE THAT SOLICITS VOLUNTEERS TO GO OUT AND HELP CELEBRATE CITY'S MILESTONES. ON BEHALF OF THAT, WE ARE PRIVILEGE TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE CERTIFICATE CELEBRATING 2023 AS YOUR 100TH ANNIVERSARY AS THE COMMISSIONER MEANS, FORM OF GOVERNMENT, RECOGNIZED BY THE NATIONAL CITY COUNTY, MEANS ASSOCIATION. ON BEHALF OF PRESIDENT LEVERA OFFICERS, AND SINCERE CONGRATULATION. AS YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSIONER, MANAGER, FORMER GOVERNMENT, IS HELPED TO SEPARATE, DIRECT POLITICAL INFLUENCES IN ESTABLISH NEW YORK-BASED PRACTICES WITHIN THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND IT'S AFTER THE CORPORATION'S FRAMEWORK, WITH THE STOCKHOLDERS, SELECTING THE CITY COMMISSION, IE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, WHO APOINT A MANAGER, IE EXECUTIVE, TO ADVISE THE COMMISSION, TO ORDINANCES AND POLICIES. IN FLORIDA, NEARLY 7 PERCENT OF THE 411 CITIES, TOWNS AND VILLAGES, OPERATING IN THE COMMISSION, FORM OF GOVERNMENT. IN ALL BUT TWO OF THE COUNTIES, HAVE A PROFESSIONAL MANAGER AS THEIR EXECUTIVE. FORT PIERCE IS RECOGNIZED AS THE CHAMPION, FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WHERE YOU HAVE A CITY COMMISSION THAT WORKS TOGETHER TO ESTABLISH PUBLIC POLICIES IN THE BEST INTEREST OF YOUR RESIDENTS, JURISDICTION STAKEHOLDERS. FORT PIERCE IS FORTUNATE TO HAVE FCC MEMBER, AND CREDENTIAL, LEADING THE CITY. WITH OVER 25 YEARS OF DELEGATE SERVICE, WELL-RESPECTED BY PROFESSIONALS AROUND THE COUNTY, THE STATE AND THE COUNTRY, AS A LEADER WHO BROUGHT RENEWED ENERGY AND VISION TO THE CITY, AND WHILE MAINTAINING THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF ETHICS. AND TO PROVIDE THE HIGHEST QUALITY OF LIFE POSSIBLE, TO BE NATIONAL RECOGNIZED BEAUTIFUL, AFFORDABLE BEACH COMMUNITY, IDEAL VACATION DESTINATION FOR VISITORS AND STATE VACATION, TO PROVIDE TREMENDOUS IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. HISTORIC COMMUNITY THAT EMBRACES THE RICHNESS OF A HERITAGE AND BRIGHTNESS OF THE FUTURE. HOME OF K-12 PUBLIC EDUCATION AND RECOGNIZED STATE COLLEGE AND AN ABILITY TO BE AUTHENTIC, [00:05:03] FUNKY AND FUN AT THE SAME TIME. THEREFORE ON BEHALF OF FCC AND ALL THE COMMISSIONER IN THE COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WE CONGRATULATE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ON THE MILESTONE ACHIEVEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 100 YEARS. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT, THE COMMISSIONER AND MR. MEANS, ON THIS CERTIFICATE. >> I'M REALLY, REALLY PROUD OF THIS. I'M STUDYING THE HISTORY OF THIS LATELY. I KNEW WE WERE 100 YEARS OLD CITY MANAGERS, CITY COMMISSION GOVERNMENT. I COULD RECITE TO YOU THE FIRST CITY MANAGER IS. I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THAT. I WILL TELL YOU, THAT MR. MIMS SHARED WITH ME LAST WEEK, THIS IS HIS 25TH, FEBRUARY 2ND WAS HIS 25TH YEAR ANNIVERSARY WITH THE CITY OF FORT WORTH. . >> ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. IF YOU GENTLEMEN WILL COME DOWN. I WOULD LIKE TO GET A PICTURE, INCLUDING YOU, MR. MIMS. >> 25 YEARS. >> MADAM MAYOR, THE CITY COMMISSION, I WILL SAY, THE MANAGER, AND OTHER FORM OF GOVERNMENT, DOES WORK AND THE -- IT'S A COHESIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY COMMISSION, COHESIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND A FUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE TO SAY THE CITY COMMISSION IS ONE OF THE COHESIVE GROUPS WE HAVE HAD IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND IT'S AN HONOR TO WORK WITH YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ELECTED MAYOR, ELECTED THE CLERK, CITY MARSHALL AND CITY JUDGE. EVERYBODY WAS ELECTED THERE WAS NO STAFF. EVERYBODY WAS ELECTED. NOW WE HAVE A CITY MANAGER COMMISSION FORM OF GOVERNMENT, WHICH MOST OF THE CITIES IN FLORIDA HAVE. AND IT'S NOT PERFECT BUT IT'S -- IT WORKS VERY WELL. AND IT CERTAINLY WORKS WELL, WHEN YOU HAVE A GOOD COMMISSION, WHICH I THINK WE DO. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR [b. 211 Awareness Week Proclamation] COOPERATION AND YOUR TEAM WORK. >> OKAY. NEXT, WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING 211 AWARENESS WEEK. I THINK WE HAVE, YOU WANT TO COME ON DOWN WHEREAS 211 HELP LINE, CRISIS LINE, CONTINUES TO BE A BEACON OF HOPE, PROVIDING SUPPORTIVE GUIDANCE WHEN PEOPLE ARE OVERWHELMED AND DON'T KNOW WHERE TO TURN. DURING THE CHALLENGING TIMES, THAT INCLUDES THE PANDEMIC IMPACT AND ECONOMIC INSTABILITY AND RECENT HURRICANES. 211 CARRY HIGHLY TRAINED STAFF, FRONT LINE RESPONDERS, 24-7 THROUGHOUT IT ALL. WHEN I ASKED THE PEOPLE OF OUR AGES AND SUPPLIES, REACHING OUT FOR THEIR GROWING STRUGGLES WITH MENTAL, EMOTIONAL HEALTH, HEALTH AND OTHER CONCERNS, 211 STAFF LISTENS TO EACH AND EVERY PERSON TO PROVIDE AVAILABLE RESEARCH OPTIONS AND TO HELP THEM STRAJIZE AND PROBLEM SOLVE. AS TO 211, HAS SPECIALIZED ADVOCACY PROGRAMS IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT INCLUDE, CAREGIVER SUPPORT AND 211, LIFE SAVING SUNSHINE, THAT CONTINUES TO BRIGHTEN THE LIVES OF SENIORSND A CAREGIVERS. WHEREAS, 211 RESPONDS TO THE 988 LIFELINE NUMBER AND SUPPORT LINES THAT INCLUDE FIRST RESPONDERS AND MY FLOOD, FOR VETERANS, WHO APPEAR SUPPORT, PROVIDING ASSISTANCE TO THE SPECIALIZED GROUPS AND THEIR FAMILIES. THEREFORE, LINDA HUDSON, DO HERE [00:10:02] BY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY AWARENESS MONTH FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ENCOURAGE, TO JOIN AND PARTICIPATING IN 211 ACTIVITIES. >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU, MY NAME IS CHAD EKOK WITH 211. I AM HERE WITH ME, JODY MURPHY, WHO IS ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL. I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION, FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED TO BRINGING THE ATTENTION TO THE WORK WE DO, THE CRITICAL WORK WE DO AT 211. IF I WERE TO DO A POLL HERE, I WOULD BET, 50 PERCENT OR LESS HAVE NEVER HEARD OF 211. THAT IS MY BURDEN AS THE JOB OF MY MINE IS TO GO OUT AND MAKE AWARENESS OF WHAT WE DO. 211 IN THE AREA, HAS BEEN IN THE HELP LINE AND THE CRISIS LINE FOR MORE THAN 50 YEARS. AGAIN, THERE'S STILL WORK TO BE DONE, BECAUSE STILL MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE DO. STARTS TREASURE COAST CARVE, AND IN THE TREASURE COAST CALLS, ABOUT 60 PERCENT OF THE CALLS, COME FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENTS. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE I GO RIGHT NOW, EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH, THE HOUSING SITUATION AND SUBSTANCE AWARENESS AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE PROBLEMS. THOSE CONCERNS ARE DEFINITELY APPARENT IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND EVERYWHERE ELSE WE SERVE, TOO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT AWARE, THOSE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE, FOR THOSE STRUGGLING WITH THOSE THINGS AND TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, THIS PAST QUARTER, WE HAD A CALL, ONE OF THE RESOURCE SPECIALIST, ANSWERED A CALL FROM OUR GENTLEMAN NAMED ALBERT. ALBERT IS EXPLAINING HIS HOUSE IS RECENTLY BURNED DOWN. HE LOST ALL OF THE POSSESSIONS AND THE CLOTHING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. HE NEEDED HELP. HE WAS ABOUT TO GET ON HIS FEET. HE NEEDED HELP TO PAY THE RENTAL DEPARTMENT. THE RESEARCH SPECIALIST WAS ABLE TO LISTEN AND TO SHARE ALL THE RESOURCES THAT WERE AVAILABLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND ALBERT LEFT THE PHONE CALL BY SAYING HE WAS HELPFUL FOR THE FUTURE AND THANKFUL WE WERE THERE IN HIS TIME OF NEED. I WANT TO, AGAIN, THANK THE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION FOR BRINGING AWARENESS WHAT 211 DOES, AND ALSO ENCOURAGE EACH OF YOU AND EVERYONE LISTENING, IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE TO TURN TO IN A TIME OF CRISIS IN A STORM, 211 IS THERE. IT'S FREE. IT'S AVAILABLE 24-7, 365. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [7. LETTERS TO COMMISSION] >> THANK YOU, SIR? >> OKAY. THE FOLLOWING LETTERS WILL BE KEPT ON FILE IN THE CITY CLERKS OFFICE. WE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM JACK STEPONGZI EXPRESSING HIS APPRECIATION FOR BUILDING DEPARTMENT PERMIT SPECIALIST SUSAN KELLER'S ASSISTANCE FOR PROVIDING CONSTRUCTION OF HIS HOUSE. LARRY LEE FOR HIS TEAM FOR DOING A GREAT JOB, KEEPING THE LINCOLN PARK WELCOME, SIGN WELL MAINTAINED. E-MAIL FROM SCOTT PARKER, EXPRESSING HIS GRATITUDE FOR OPERATION MANAGER SUMMER RULAPAUGH'S UNDERSTANDING AND KINDNESS DURING THE ADOPTION PROFOR HIS DOG. E-MAIL FROM DAVID MARGOLIN, PROVIDES COMPASSIONATE CARE AND INQUIRIES OF THE ANIMALS AND RESPONSE DIRECTOR PEGGY ARRAIZ. RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM ANDRE WITH A-OKAY CONSTRUCTION IN RECOGNITION OF CODE ENFORCEMENT [8. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA] ANIMAL CONTROL EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT KATHERINE CALDRON'S EXCEPTIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE. AND NEXT, WE WILL HAVE AN DELETION OR APPROVAL. >> MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK >> YES. >> MR. CURTIS JOHNSON [a. Fort Pierce Infrastructure Surtax Citizens Oversight Committee 2022 Annual Report] >> YES. >> JEREMIAH JOHNSON. >> WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE REPORT, AND CITIZENS OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, 2022 IN THE REPORT. >> MADAM MAYOR, WE HAVE SELENA GRIFFITH, IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT WILL GIVE US AB OVERVIEW OF THE COMMITTEES REPORT. >> GOOD EVENING. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT. [00:15:36] MICROPHONE CLOSER, TOO >> THANK YOU. . >> I GOT IT, THANKS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR HUDSON AND COMMISSIONERS. SELENA GRIFFITH, PROJECT ENGINEER, HERE TO PRESENT THE FORT PIERCE, CITIZEN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE 2022 ANNUAL REPORT. THE PURPOSE OF THE REPORT IS TO PROVIDE THE CITY COMMISSION WITH THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE FINDINGS AND ASSURANCES, THE PROTAX PROCEEDS, ARE BEING SPENT, IN THE MANNER APPROVED BY THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY AND STATE LAW. AS A REMINDER, I WAS GOING TO READ THE BALLOT. TO FUND TO IMPROVE LOCAL ROADS, REDUCE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, ADD SIDEWALKS, IMPROVE LOCAL WATER QUALITY, AND REDUCED NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODING AND SIMILAR USES UNDER FLORIDA LAW AND SEEK MATCHING FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSES. ST. LUCIE COUNTY, HALF CENT SALES TAX FOR 10 YEARS, WITH EXPEN EXPENDITURES, WITH OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE INSURING DOLLARS ARE SPENT FAIRLY THROUGHOUT, FORT PIERCE, ST. LUCIE VILLAGE AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY. IN 2022, THE COMMITTEE MET FIVE TIMES AND WERE PROVIDED UPDATES ON PROJECTS INCLUDING THE BUDGET, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STATUS. THE COMMITTEE RESPECTFULLY SUBMITS THIS ANNUAL REPORT FOR YOUR APPROVAL. IN 2022, TOTAL AMOUNT OF SALES TAX REVENUE RECEIVED WAS $2,750,027.87. WE INCUMBENT, $2,380,26. THIS YEAR, VARIOUS WERE FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTED. THE UNCOVERED PROJECTS, $2, -- >> I DON'T WANT TO GO INTO THE PROJECT, WILL JUST GO THROUGH THE HIGHLIGHTS. I REALLY LIKE THE CITIZENS RESPONSE WE GOT ON THIS ONE. PAVING IS A HIGH PRIORITY AND OUR CITIZENS REALLY LIKE IT WHEN THEY SEE THE TRUCKS COMING DOWN THE ROAD. WE ALSO COMPLETED THE 8TH STRING PROJECT FROM AVENUE D TO AVENUE E. THE GEORGIA AVENUE, BASIN WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS, ARE CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AVENUE B, WE CONSTRUCTION IS SCHEDULED TO START IN ABOUT 3 WEEKS. WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED LOOKING AT THE 2023, STREET RESURFACING PROJECT. WE HAVE SOME NEW PROJECTS COMING UP, INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, GWENDAL ROAD. AND ANOTHER DOCUMENT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD LOOK, KIND OF AN OVERVIEW VIEW ON THE PROJECTS COMPLETED AND THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IN STATUS. ALL OF THE PROJECTS WE STARTED SINCE 2018-2019, WHERE THEY ARE AND IF COMPLETE, WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SPENT. THE TOTAL SUR TAX FUNDING RECEIVED TO DATE IS ABOUT 8.4 MILLION. WE COMPLETED 0.8 MILES OF COMPLETED FOUR ROAD CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S ANOTHER 0.1 MILE, CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND ANOTHER HALF MILE AVENUE B, SCHEDULED TO BEGIN IN MARCH. WE COMPLETED 6.6 MILES OF CITY ROADWAY RESURFACING, OF ANOTHER 3.5 MILES PROPOSED FOR 2023. THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. MAY I ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF. >> JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. YOU SHOWED ON THERE ALMOST FOUR MILES IN 2023. IS THAT JUST RESURFACING OR IS THAT CONSTRUCTION AND RESURFACE? [00:20:04] >> THAT'S RESURFACING. THAT'S REALLY AGGRESSIVE, MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE COUPLE OF YEARS. >> IT IS. IT'S A HUGE LIST. IN THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE ITEM. YOU COULD READ THE ACTUAL ILLUSTRATES. >> AND I WANT TO SAY, JOB WELL DONE. I GET THE CALLS FROM THE STREETS THAT ARE NEIGHBORING, NEIGHBORING TO THE ONES YOU'VE DONE. >> THE ONES I DIDN'T DO? >> WHAT'S GOING ON, WHEN YOU COME TO MY STREET. IT'S BEEN NOTICED IN THE CITY. JUST KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. THANK YOU. >> AND MY MEMORY, WE HAD TO BE PRETTY EXPLICIT WITH OUR PLANS, WHEN WE WENT OUT FOR THIS. SO THESE PLANS HAVE BEEN IN THE WORKS AND WHAT'S ASTONNISHING TO ME, YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT. FOR THE PUBLIC, YOU COULD SEE HOW MUCH MONEY IT TAKES TO DO A MILE OF ROADWAY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> RUN THOUSAND. >> RIGHT, RIGHT. EXACTLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU SAID THIS, MOTION TO APPROVE? IT'S ON FOR INFORMATION. >> IT'S ON THERE FOR INFORMATION. IT'S SUBMITTED FOR YOUR GENERAL APPROVAL. I DON'T BELIEVE IT NEEDS A MOTION. >> NOT ON THERE FOR YOUR [b. Discussion and direction regarding the future of the City's micro-mobility program.] APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD JOB. >> NEXT, WE HAVE DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION, INVOLVING THE CITY'S MICRO MOBILITY PROGRAM. >> THE MEMBERS OF THE CITY'S COMMISSION, WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER, TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE MICRO DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM, AKA THE SCOOTERS. THE FUTURE OF THE SCOOTERS, FORT PIERCE. >> GOOD MORNING.. . >> IT'S BEEN ONE OF THOSE DAYS. IT'S LOADING, LINDA. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, XHEBS OF THE COMMISSION. A LOOK BACK, BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2019, WE LAUNCHED A 12 MONTH PILOT PROGRAM WITH THE ZACKSTER. WE ACTUALLY INHERITED THE AGREEMENT IN COMBINATION OF THE BIKE SHARE PROGRAM. WE LAUNCHED THIS 12 MONTH PRIELT. TRYING TO SEE HOW IT WILL GO. DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH IT. WE DID DECIDE TO GO AHEAD WITH THE LESSONS WE LEARNED FROM THE PILOT PROGRAM, TO ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR A MORE PERMANENT SCOOTER SHARE PROGRAM. WE RECEIVED 7 RESPONSES AND ULTIMATELY EXECUTED, FOR SKIN, ALSO KNOWN AS SKINNY GRAFT. THEY OPERATED FOR ABOUT 14 MONTHS, BEFORE THEY NOTIFIED US LATE DECEMBER, ON PLANS TO EXIT THE MARK. THEY DETERMINED IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE FOR THEM AND THEY DECIDED TO LEAVE. SO IT'S KIND OF A SNAPSHOT OF THE PROGRAM WE HAD, JUST THE PROGRAM, NOT INCLUDING ZACK'S CHOICE. THERE WAS A 15 MONTH PROGRAM, TOTAL OF 6,000. AND WE RECEIVED $2500 A YEAR PERMIT FEE FROM THEM, AS WELL AS 25 CENTS PER RIDE, WHICH EQUATED TO 66-6700. THIS IS THEIR RIDERSHIP MAP. THE GREEN AREA IS WHERE YOU COULD OPERATE IN THE CITY. THE RED AREAS WAS GEOFENCE HAS NO RIDE ZONES. THE BLACK LINES WAS SPEED RESTRICTED AREAS. WE LEARNED A LOT, WHERE SCOOTERS SHOULD NOT BE OPERATING OR AREAS, MAYBE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS DIDN'T WANT SCOOTERS AND THIS IS THE SUM OF THAT. DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE SHOOTER PROGRAM IN THE FUTURE. ARE WE NOT INTERESTED IN FIGURING THE PROGRAM. I'M JUST HERE TO START THE CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. . >> ONE QUESTION, BEFORE I GET. THE DETERMINATION THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US NOTICE AND I THINK THE CONTRACT GAVE A PERIOD OF TIME FOR NOTICE. HAVE WE MET THAT? >> YES . >> THEY PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US MORE NOTICE. THEY READ THE LETTER AND THEN THEY WERE GONE. THE AGREEMENT IS COMPLETELY TERMINATED AT THIS POINT. WE ACCEPTED THE LETTER AND MOVED FOR FORWARD. [00:25:02] >> I WILL SAY, IT WAS A GOOD PROGRAM. I THINK WE WERE ALMOST GLAD TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. I WAS GLAD TO MOVE IN WITH ZAGSTER AND SPIN BOTH. I HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS IN THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WHEN THE CITY STARTED TO DWINDLE, AND ESPECIALLY TIMES DURING COVID, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS NOT MAINTAINED AS WELL. WE STARTED IN A HIGH NOTE AND WE BECAME SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I DON'T WANT TO TALK BAD ABOUT ANYBODY, I JUST THINK THERE WERE OBLIGATIONS THAT WEREN'T FULFILLED. AND I HAVEN'T HEARD, OH, MY GOD, I HEARD SCOOTER. >> AND JUST AN OBSERVATION, WHEN THE PROGRAM FIRST STARTED, IT WAS HEAVILY USED. PERSONALLY, I HAVE NOT BEEN ON ONE. THEY WERE SCREENED EVERYWHERE. AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT POTENTIAL LIABILITY ISSUE. ON THE SIDEWALKS AND ROADWAYS, LITERALLY DISCARDED EVERYONE. GOING TO WORK IN THE MORNING, AND GETTING THAT. AND I THINK IT'S A FAIR POP IN THE PROGRAM. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S WANED OVER TIME. THE LIABILITY ISSUE, OUTWEIGH THE FUNCTIONALITY. NOT BEING A CONSUMER, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THERE'S A BIG DEMAND. THE AGE DEMO GRAPHICS, IS LESS MY AGE RIDING IT. I LIKE MY ANGLES AND KNEES. AND IT WAS POPULAR AND SEEMED TO TAILOFF OVERTIME. IT WAS HEAVILY CONSUMED IN THE OUTSET. THEY FELT THE SCOOTER MAY BE A LITTLE BIT, WIDELY CAREENING AROUND THE TOWN AND EVERYTHING. THAT KIND OF CALMED DOWN EVENTUALLY. THEY ARE ON SO, WHAT'S THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YOU KNOW ME, I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING. MY FIRST QUESTION, IS DO WE HAVE ANY VENDORS THAT ARE READY TO DO BUSINESS BEFORE WE SAY NO. AND ARE THERE ANY VENDORS THAT WANT TO TAKE OVER THE MARK. THE REASON I ASK, BEFORE YOU KNOW IT, WE'RE GOING TO BE THAT, DOWNTOWN PLAN. IT'S GOING TO BE IN FULL EFFECT AND WHAT BETTER WAY TO ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE FUTURE PARKING. WE HAVE THE BIKES OR THE SCOOTERS IN A CERTAIN AREA. PEOPLE COULD GO PARK THERE AND GET A SCOOTER AND GO DOWNTOWN, INSTEAD OF THE CARS. I HAVE MY CONCERNS, SCOOTERS BEING LEFT IN THE ROW, SCOOTERS LEFT IN THE SIDEWALKS. I ACTUALLY MOVED A FEW. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO HIT THEM WITH A CAR. I UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. IF IT'S SOMETHING WE DID LOSE MONEY, IT'S ALWAYS MY BELIEF TO OFFER THE RESIDENTS MORE. IF WE GET 10 PERCENT OF THE RESIDENTS, AT LEAST WE HAVE SOMETHING. WHEN WE'RE -- DOWN THE ROAD, WHEN WE'RE SELLING TO THE DEVELOPERS, WHO ARE COMING IN, WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THIS. WE HAVE THIS PROGRAM WHERE, YOU KNOW, DON'T WORRY ABOUT PARKING. THEY CAN GET SCOOTER OR WE CAN GET THE BIKES. I FORGET WHERE I WAS: AND THAT WAS GREAT BECAUSE, EVERY BUSINESS IN THE AREA, HAS SPECIAL PARKING FOR THE BIKES. IF YOU GET THE BIKE AND GO, AND MOVE ON. SO I'M THINKING DOWN THE ROAD. I MEAN, EVEN IF WE MAKE 20 PERCENT, PEOPLE ARE HAPPY. WE'RE NOT LOSING MONEY. THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M AT. [00:30:08] >> WELL, I GUESS I WOULD FEEL LIKE, SINCE THIS COMPANY WAS NOT MAKING ANY MONEY, I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO ATTRACT ANY COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO, AT THIS TIME. I THINK MAYBE WE PUT ON OUR TICKLER TO PUT, AT SOME JUNCTURE TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN. . ANY OPINION? >> I KNOW IT'S GOING TO COME BACK. >> IT'S GOING TO COME BACK SOONER OR LATER. I'D RATHER BE IN THE POSITION, WHEN YOU'RE READY FOR IT, THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED ALL THE ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. I DO BELIEVE. I KNOW SOME COMPANIES OUT THERE, THAT HAVE THE SCOOTERS OR BICYCLES, THEY HAVE THEIRS -- >> AND MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER GAINS, I WILL SAY, THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED THE PRESENTATION. I AM RECEIVING INTEREST FROM VENDORS, SPIN LEFT THE MARKET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE STATUS IS. LET'S GET THE COMMISSIONS OPINION. TO THE POINT OF THE BIKE SHARE, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S YOUR OPINION, MAY BRIDGE THE AGE GAP, SOME MAY FEEL COMFORTABLE IN A BICYCLE THAN A SCOOTER. THERE WERE ALSO SIT DOWN SCOOTERS. I THINK IT WAS A SECOND. THERE'S ALTERNATIVES, WE CAN LOOK AT IN THE FUTURE. >> INK A WE HAVE TO KEEP THE ANTENNA UP FOR OPPORTUNITIES. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I DEFINITELY AGREE. AS THE INDIVIDUAL SITS ON TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL FOR THE DIVISION, WILL KEEP MY EYES AND EARS OPEN ON THE PERSPECTIVE. AS TPO, LOOKING AT MICRO ONYXES AND LOOKING AT NEW WAYS IN THE FUTURE FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. DOAN FORGET, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, WHERE WE WILL PUT THE TRAIL AND DRIVE OR WHATEVER. WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE HORIZON, WHETHER IT'S WECHT OF TOWN OR DOWNTOWN. I THINK THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT ARE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AND IN AN INITIATIVE LIKE THIS. I THINK WE WERE TRYING SOMETHING, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL AT IT. IT'S TIME TO CHANGE GEARS A LITTLE BIT. NO PUN INTENDED. THAT'S WHERE I AM. IT'S ON THE HOR ZON. >> AND ONLY COMMENT I HAVE, AND I HEAR WHAT WE'RE SAYING. AT WHAT POINT, DOES THAT TRIGGER THE STAFF TO COME BACK. THEY WILL OBVIOUSLY GET PROPOSEALS. WHAT I WANT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH, WE AS A COMMISSION, THROUGH -- THEY KNOW THE DOOR IS OPEN. WE MAY GET DIFFERENT PROPOSALS. WE'RE ALREADY DOING SOME MICRO ABILITY RIGHT NOW. I THINK WITH SOME OTHER VENDORS, NOT A SCOOTER, BUT A VEHICLE; RIGHT? THIS IS DRIVEN BY PRIVATE ENTERPRISE AND BUSINESS. CREATIVITY IS CHANGING EACH AND EVERY DAY. I WAS, IT WAS INTERESTING HOW IT MOVED ABOUT THE CITY. I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE IT OFF SO WE DON'T GET ANYTHING AND HEAR ANYTHING FROM THEM. I GUESS, AT LEAST PUT THAT ON THE RECORD AND FOR THE STAFF, IS THAT WE DON'T PUT IN A BOX AND PUT IT IN A CLOSET AND HEAR FROM IT AGAIN. THERE'S SOME INTERESTING, YOU OWE IT TO US TO LET US KNOW THAT. AND THE CONFERENCE AGENDAS AND ET CETERA, SO AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, WOULD YOU PREFER, TO GO OUT. IT GOES OUT OF THE DOOR, INFORMATION BASIN, MAY BE THE LATEST AND GREATEST, MAY BE OPENING. >> I THINK THE APPETITE, MAY NOT BE AT THIS MOMENT. MAYBE SEND OUT THE RFP. AND YOU HAVE GIVEN US SOLICITED BIDS RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE, SOME POINT OF THE INFORMATION, KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING. IT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S DONE BEFORE. WE'RE CLOSER TO THE SUMMER, WE COME BACK AND PUT OUT OF RFP. >> WHAT ABOUT THIS, JOHNSON. WHAT YOU SAY, IT'S FEBRUARY NOW. 3-4 MONTHS, IT WILL BE RIGHT IN THE VERGE OF SUMMER. HOW ABOUT SOMEBODY COME BACK, LET STAFF COME BACK LIKE THREE [00:35:02] MONTHS, BRING IT UP IN THREE MONTHS, TO SEE WHAT PROPOSALS. AND AT THAT POINT WE CAN MAKE A DECISION, GOING INTO THE SUMMER MONTHS. . >> I'M NOT GOING TO COMPLICATE THIS ISSUE. FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THERE'S A PERIOD OF TIME, YOU WOULD LIKE TO ALLOW THIS TO KIND OF SIT. SO WHY WE DON'T JUST SCHEDULE AN RFP TO BE ADVERTISED IN THE NEXT 100 DAYS. AND THE MARKET WILL COME TO US, ONCE WE ARE READY TO RECEIVE BIDS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE RECEIVING LETTERS AND CALLS OF INTEREST. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SHOW EVERYTHING IN STORE FOR US. IF WE ADVERTISE EFP, WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. THE PERIOD OF TIME, THEN, WILL TAKE ANOTHER 3-4 MONTHS TO GO TO THE RFP PROCESS. IF WE DELAY IT 3 MONTHS AND ADVERTISE, THAT'S ANOTHER 3-4 MONTHS. SO WE'RE PROBABLY INTO FALL. >> ONLY THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, IS THAT THIS ALSO COULD CREATE JOB OPPORTUNITIES FOR SOME RESIDENTS IN FORT PIERCE. THEY HAVE TO TRY TO TRACK DOWN THE SCOOTERS. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A GOOD JOB FOR SOME TEENAGERS, WHATEVER. I DON'T WANT TO SIT ON IT, BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY GETTING INTEREST, I DON'T SEE THE DOWN SIDE OF GOING OUT AND PUTTING OUT AN RFP NOW AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE. BRING IT BACK, AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE AND GO FROM THERE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> I THINK WE'RE ALL SAYING THE SAME THING. YOU'RE SAYING, IT TAKES ABOUT 90 DAYS. IN 90 DAYS, WE WILL LOOK AT THE RFP. IT WILL BE EIGHT MONTHS OR SO BEFORE WE HAVE SOMETHING BACK IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY? >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, RELATED TO FREEBIE. WE HAVE A PROGRAM WITH THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. WHEN DOES THAT KICK O AND HOW DOES IT COINCIDE. IF ANYONE DOESN'T KNOW, FREEBIE IS A RIDE SHARE. IT'S ON DEMAND SERVICE, WHERE YOU CALL AND GET A RIDE WITHIN CERTAIN ZONES. WHEN DOES THAT KICK-OFF >> THEY ARE PUSHING FOR A FEBRUARY LAUNCH. THEY ARE WORKING ON THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE ELECTRIC STATIONS OF THE GARAGE. . >> MAKING SURE THAT'S PART OF OUR SUCCESS, TOO. AND I'M OKAY WITH THE TIME LINE OF THE SIX, EIGHT MONTHS. W HAVE TO EVALUATE, IN PARALLEL OF WHERE WE'RE GOING. SEE WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE WITH THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT. >> MR. MIMS. [c. Discussion of information provided by the Council on Aging of St. Lucie, Inc.] >> MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION E WE HAVE ESTEEM VISITOR AND GUESTS. HONORABLE MR. DRUMMER IS HERE AND HE WILL GIVE US. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I HATE TO AGE MYSELF, BUT I REMEMBER YOUR FIRST DAY. . >> I'M CEO OF THE COUNCIL, THIS EVENING. AND MY CFO, AND FOR REGISTRY. AND COMMISSIONER ON THE GAINES IS ON THE BOARD, ALSO HAVE VICE CHAIRMAN AND ATTORNEY PATRICK PETRI. I THANK OU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TONIGHT. AND SEND SOME INFORMATION AND TO COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO ANYONE, WE'RE CELEBRATING OUR 50TH ANNIVERSARY THIS YEAR. [00:40:06] AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON THE THINGS, AND SUGGESTION AND ISSUES AT THIS TIME. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT SOME OF THE PROGRAMS YOU'VE HEARD OF, MEALS ON WHEELS, ACTIVITIES, SENIOR CENTERS AND RESPID CARE, WITH THE FACILITY AS WELL AS IN THE HOME. WE PROVIDE HOME, AND PERSONAL CARE ASSISTANCE. WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION, NOT JUST IN THE COUNTY BUT THROUGH THE ENTIRE TREASURE COAST AREA. WE HAVE A NATIONAL FAMILY OF CAREGIVERS SUPPORT PROGRAM. WE DO CASE MANAGEMENT FOR OUR CLIENTS AND WE, OF COURSE, HAVE AN OUTREACH AND CONSUMER SERVICE DIVISION THAT'S OUT DOING ACTIVITIES IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THE INDIVIDUALS, PROGRAMS WE HAVE AND THE SERVICES THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE. I HEARD TODAY, THERE'S THOUSANDS OF INDIVIDUALS MOVING TO FLORIDA EVERY DAY. ABOUT 25 PERCENT ARE SENIORS. HERE IN FLORIDA, ABOUT, I THINK IT'S 25 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION OVER 60. AND THAT NUMBER IS GROWING. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THE COUNTY, 16 AND ABOVE IS 29 PERCENT. WE HAVE ALMOST 1,000, OF THE RES DENS OVER 60. THE NEXT ONE SUGGESTS, CASE MANAGED CLIENTS THAT PROVIDE, WE PROVIDE SERVICES FOR, THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. THEY'VE OPENED UP BY ZIP CODES AND HOW MANY ARE IN FORT PIERCE FORT PIERCE, THERE ARE ABOUT 344 CASE MANAGED CLIENTS. THOSE ARE NOT ALL THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE TO SENIORS. WE HAVE A CASE MANAGEMENT ASSIGNED TO THEM AND CARE PLAN TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THROUGH THIS PROGRAM. SOME FACTUAL INFORMATION, AT YOUR LEISURE, WE WANT TO SUGGEST HOW POWERFUL THE SENIOR DOLLAR IS. AND FLORIDA ELDERS PROVIDE ABOUT 135 BILLION ANNUALLY TO THIS STATE ECONOMY. 50 PERCENT OF THE HOME CONSTRUCTION, ARE BY SENIORS. EACH YEAR, FLORIDA SENIORS CONTRIBUTE TO 4.5 BILLION TO CHARITIES AND ONE BILLION TO LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS. I DON'T THINK MOST OF THEM HAVE ANY KIDS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. THEY ARE PROVIDING MORE TO THE SYSTEM THAN TAKING OUT TO THE SERVICES. THE PROGRAMS WE PROVIDE THAT WE GET TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE LOCATED IN TWO AREAS. THE FIRST PROGRAM IS COMMUNITY CARE FOR THE ELDERLY, ALZHEIMER'S FOR THE INITIATIVE AND HOME CARE FOR THE ELDERLY. THESE ARE ALLSTATE PROGRAMS. THERE'S A DESCRIPTION ABOUT EACH ONE OF WE LOOK FOR ONES AT THE STATE, GATE KEEPERS. THOSE PROGRAMS ARE DESIGNED TO ASSIST SENIORS, GET SERVICES, AND THEY NEED TO POSSIBLY BE PLACED IN LONG-TERM NURSING HOME CARE. WE CALL THAT THE GATE KEEPER. IT ALLOWS US TO ASSESS THE INDIVIDUALS AND DETERMINE WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICES WE MAY HAVE. 1965, AND WE PROVIDE SOME CAREGIVERS SUPPORT. AND WE'RE ABLE TO FUND A LOT OF THE ACTIVITIES IN THE SENIOR CENTER, USING SOME OF THE DOLLARS. OF COURSE, THE NEWS PROGRAM IS BROKEN INTO TWO SECTIONS. ONE IS FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ABLE TO GET OUT AND COME TO THE FACILITY, HAVE A HOT MEAL, VISITORS WHO ARE HOME BOUND. AS PART OF THE PROGRAM, THE ALZHEIMER'S COMMUNITY CARE PROGRAM, THAT CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR FACILITIES HERE IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY AND WE PROVIDE MEALS FOR ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS. [00:45:06] IT REQUIRES A 10 PERCENT LOCAL MATCH. THE COUNTIES, AS VERY, VERY BENEFICIAL, FOR EVERY DOLLAR. WE'RE ABLE TO ACCESS $10, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. WE VIEW THE SERVICES AS THE BASELINE FOR THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. FOR THE PRESENTATION, YOU WILL SEE THE BUDGET, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY $5 BILLION THIS YEAR. THESE TWO PROGRAMS, WILL ALLOW US TO ACCESS APPROXIMATELY 40 MILLION WORTH OF SERVICES AND IT ONLY REQUIRES A $200,000 CONTRIBUTION ON THE PART OF THE COUNTY. WE ARE ASKED TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH THE UNITED WAY AND THE APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED. I AM OF THE OPINION, IT WAS EVALUATED VERY WELL. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE NEXT ONE. WE REQUESTED, THE PUBLIC RECORDS SUGGESTED, THE PANEL THAT REVIEWED, RECOMMENDED FUNDING, AND FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE. I SAW AN ARTICLE, THAT SUGGESTED THAT THE SCORE WAS 62-65. THAT WAS NOT PART OF ANY INFORMATION THAT WE GOT FROM THE COUNTY AS PART OF THE INFORMATION ACT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM. THIS IS THE HANDFUL THAT WAS PROVIDED, THAT SAID ANYTHING, WITH REGARD FOR QUEST FOR FUNDING. >> TO SEE HOW THEY HANDLE THEMSELVES SERVICES. AS THE LEAD, FROM THE COUNTY, WE'RE SIMILAR TO EVERY OTHER COUNTY THAT PROVIDES THE SERVICES. BOTH THE COUNTY AND RIVER COUNTY. AND THEY DO PROVIDE, AND HAVE ANNUAL PROVIDED THE LOCAL MATCH FOR THE TWO GRANTS. BREVARD COUNTY, AND -- GOING SOUTH, TO PALM BEACH COUNTY, AND TO BROWARD AND TO DADE COUNTY. THOSE ARE DEPARTMENTS OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ITSELF. AND SO WE'RE PROVIDING FAR MORE, THAN THE 10 PERCENT MATCH. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS POSSIBLY GO BACK TO THE COUNTY AND ASK FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND REVISIT THIS MATTER. WE'RE LOOKING FOR SUPPORT FOR BOTH CITIES AS WE GO BACK TO THE -- WE BELIEVE STRONGLY, IF WE WERE NOT IN PLACE AND IF WE WERE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES, IT'S $5 MILLION WORTH OF SERVICES THAT WOULD NOT BE PROVIDED TO SENIORS HERE IN THE COUNTY. I WANT TO STRESS, AS WE DID BEFORE IN THE COUNTY, $2 MILLION INVESTMENT ACCESS $5 MILLION. FOR US, IT SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER. IT SHOULD BE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT AT RISK. I FEEL IT WAS IMPORTANT, WE AT LEAST HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU, CONCERNS WITH REGARD TO YOU AND TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT YOU COULD ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. WE'VE GOTTEN SOME CALLS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO SUGGESED THE CONCERN. THEY WILL LOSE THE SERVICES THEY ARE CURRENTLY ARE RECEIVING AND ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WILL OCCUR. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE MAKING UP THE DIFFERENCE ON OUR OWN, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO FUND THIS ENTIRE $200,000 OURSELVES ESPECIALLY IN THE 11TH HOUR AS THE COUNTY SUGGESTED YEAR AGO, THEY WERE GOING TO DISCONTINUE THIS. WE CERTAINLY WOULD MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. QUITE FRANKLY, WE HAVE ALWAYS PANNED THAT THOSE DOLLARS WERE SECURED AND WERE PART OF THE DOLLARS, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ANTICIPATE AS PART OF OUR BUDGETING PROCESS. WHETHER THE LOCAL MATCH WORKS, ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE PROVIDE THE SERVICES AND WE BUILD THE GRANT FOR THE SERVICES. IF IT'S 100,000, THE GRANTS WILL PAY US THE $9,000 AND WE WILL SUPPLY THE $10,000 TO MAKE UP THE 10 PERCENT MATCH. IT'S NOT ALL AT ONCE, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE FULL 200,000. GIVEN THE STRAIN OF DOING THESE [00:50:03] SORTS OF THINGS. WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO DO IT ON OUR OWN. WE'RE LOOKING TO DO FUND-RAISING ACTIVITIES. WE'RE CERTAINLY LOOKING AT OTHER PARTICULAR GRANTS THAT ARE OUT THERE. AT THIS POINT, WE FEEL STRONGLY THE COUNTY STEP FORWARD AND RECOGNIZE THIS IS SOMETHING, VERY MUCH IN THEIR BEST INTEREST. AND A PORTION OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY. MY CALCULATION, I WAS ABLE TO FALL, SUGGESTED, THE COUNTY PAY SOMEWHERE IN THE $2 MILLION TOWARDS THE BIDS LAST YEAR ALL THE CLASS, THAT ARE PART OF THIS, ARE ELIGIBLE FIRST AND FOREMOST, BECAUSE A, THEY ARE MEDICAID, NURSING HOME ELIGIBLE. WE KNEW, IF THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO STAY IN THE HOME, THEY HAVE TO BE PLACED IN THE MEDICAID BID. SERVICES ARE DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY, TO ALLOW FOR THE LOVED ONES, TO REMAIN IN THEIR HOME AND IF IT'S ECONOMICALLY SOUND, BECAUSE THE ANNUAL COST IN A FACILITY IS RUNNING AT $70,000 A YEAR. ONLY RUNS ABOUT 7,000 TO KEEP THE INDIVIDUAL IN THE HOME. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE FLUENTLY. AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE ABLE TO ANSWER. >> AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. FEW QUESTIONS. I ALSO READ THAT ARTICLE. AND I WAS QUITE SHOCKED TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS OF 62 AND 65. I GUESS, WHATEVER IS GOING. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS CAME FROM? >> NEVER SAW IT ANYWHERE. PART OF THE PROBLEM WE HAD, WITH REGARD TO, QUITE FRANKLY, YOU ADDRESSED WITH THE STAFF EACH AND EVERY YEAR. THE PROGRAM IS SET UP, SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO EVALUATE A PROGRAM. AND YOU MAY EFFECT THE PROGRAM, OR THE ORGANIZATIONS, IS LOOKING FOR FUNDING FROM THE UNITED WAY THROUGH THE COUNTY DOLLARS. WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR A PROGRAM IT'S KIND OF LIKE PUTTING A SQUARE PIG IN A HOLE. WE'RE PUTTING A MATCH, TO ACCESS GRANTS THAT COVER A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS. RIGHTFULLY, YOU HAVE SOME ISSUE WITH IT, IF THEY DON'T FULLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEY ARE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE, IN THAT PARTICULAR VENUE. AGAIN, I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING SHARED OR SENT US BACK A SCORING SHEET OR SUGGESTED, SOMEHOW THE PRESENT TAIG WAS NOT VERY GOOD OR WE MISSED THE VOTE. I KNEW, AS HUMBLY AS I COULD SUGGEST, THAT WAS A HECK OF A GOOD PRESENTATION. AND I KNEW THE APPLICATION, OVER 25 YEARS. WE'VE GOTTEN IT DOWN PRETTY WELL. I'M A LITTLE CURIOUS ON HOW IT WOULD BE AS WELL. >> I'LL BE THE BAD GUY HERE. WHEN THIS CAME TO, AND WHEN THIS CAME TO VOTE WITH THE COUNTY, DID THEY HAVE THE RECOMMENDATION IN FRONT OF HIM THAT UNITED WAY FUNDED. I WAS TOLD, THAT UNITED WAY, DIDN'T RECOMMEND YOU FOR FUNDING. DID YOU HAVE THE PAPER IN FRONT, THAT SAYS, I RECOMMEND FOR FUNDING, FOR MEALS,ND FOR THE CARE PROGRAM, I RECOMMEND FOR FUNDING. >> I REMEMBER, EACH COMMISSIONER. WHAT THEY HAD WAS -- THE FINAL ADVOCATION, THEY RECOMMEND. AND WHICH ORGANIZATION THAT THEY ARE RECKONING FOR FUNDING AND HOW MUCH. THAT'S WHAT WE SAW AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SUGGESTED WE RECEIVE. >> AND LAST QUESTION AND I'LL LET MY COLLEAGUES JUMP IN. YOU GAVE A TIME FRAME OF, YOU SAID SOMEWHERE MAY-JUNE. WHAT HAPPENS, WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHAT HAPPENS IF THE 10 PERCENT, OR $20,000 IS NOT OBTAINED BY THE ORGANIZATION. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ELDERLY IN FORT PIERCE [00:55:01] >> WE'RE NOT ABLE TO SUSTAIN THE PROGRAM, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE DOLLARS. QUITE HONESTLY, IT WILL TAKE A GOOD 3-6 MONTHS TO COME UP WITH A FUND-RAISER. $200,000 IS NOT THE EASIEST. WE WILL BE CHALLENGED FROM THAT STANDPOINT. >> I THANK THE NUMBER FOR FORT PIERCE. AND I THANK THAT NUMBER; RIGHT? THAT'S FOR FORT PIERCE. THE 5, IS THE REST OF THE COUNTY. AND REST OF THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO 800-PLUS ELDERLY WILL BE AFFECTED >> THE 800 REPRESENTS THE ONES THAT ARE CASE MANAGED. FOR INSTANCE THINGS LIKE MEALS ON WHEELS, THOSE ARE NOT INDIVIDUALS, THOSE ARE CLIENTS. AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A HALF MILLION DOLLAR CONTRACT WITH THE FOOD BANK FOR THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM. THAT AMOUNT WOULD GO AWAY. NOT ONLY WOULD OUR CLIENTS NOT BE RECEIVING THE MEALS, BUT ALSO THE ONES WE'RE PROVIDING FOR, ALZHEIMER'S COMMUNITY CARE, AUGUST OF THOSE CLIENTS WON'T BE RECEIVING IT EITHER. >> LAST QUESTION. SO LIKE I SAID, WORST CASE SCENARIO, THAT HAPPENS. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE, IF THAT HAPPENS, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ELDERLY RESIDENTS? >> KWON SIFT TENT WHAT'S GOING ON THE STATE. AND IN THE POSITION, FOR PROVIDING THE. AND INTERESTING, AGING OUT. AND PARTICULARLY -- THEY, HAD TO FIND SOME DOLLARS, OR PROVIDE. AND DURING THE SERVICES WE'RE CURRENTLY PROVIDING. I PLAN TO DISCUSS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF ELDER AFFAIRS. THEY ARE SUPPORTIVE, BUT THEY LOOK, THE LOCAL MATCH IS INDEED A LOCAL RESPONSIBILITY. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. DRUMMOND. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YEAH. >> YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS $200,000 IS A MATCH GRANT. I'M ASSUMING, IF YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN FUNDED FOR THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED YOU A TIMETABLE. WHAT'S THE SHUTOFF, TO GET THE ACTUAL GRANT. IT TRIGGERS THE REST. >> THE BRAND ITSELF IS GIVEN UP IN SIX-MONTH PERIOD. WE'RE NOT IN DANGER TO LOSING A GRANT. WHAT WILL ONLY HAPPEN, IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO MEET THE GRANT FOR THE LOCAL MATCH, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS. IF WE ARE NOT ABLE TO PAY OUR BILLS, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REMAIN IN BUSINESS. >> OKAY. >> IF I'M CLEARLY UNDERSTANDING THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE ISSUE, YOU'RE INDICATING THAT, IN ESSENCE, 90 DAYS. YOU'RE IN A 90 DAY SPIRAL AT THIS POINT. IF THOSE FUNDS ARE NOT SECURED, ARE YOU ACTUALLY INDICATING THAT YOUR OPERATION CEASED TO CONTINUE? >> I'M TRYING TO ALWAYS BE AS OPTIMISTIC AS I POSSIBLY CAN AND ACCURATE AT THE SAME TIME. I COULD SUGGEST TO YOU, WE ARE STILL DOING OTHER ACTIVITIES ENTREPRENEURIALWISE SUCH AS OUR TRANSPORTATION AS WELL AS OUR REGISTRY, THAT PROVIDES SKILLED CARE IN THE HOME. THOSE DO GENERATE REVENUE. THOSE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO QUOTE, UNQUOTE MEET OUR LOCAL MATCH. WE CAN ASSIGN FOR THAT. IT DOESN'T MAKE UP FOR THE HOLE IN THE BUDGET ITSELF. >> I HAVE A BRIEF TIME LINE TO COVER THE DELTA. >> AND SO I UNDERSTAND, THE JANNIS OF THE REVENUE STREAM, THOSE ARE COUNTY DOLLARS. COUNTY DOLLARS. COUNTY DOLLARS. DESIGNATED BY THE COMMISSION COUNTY STAFF, ET CETERA. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT LITERALLY JUST GOT PULLED? >> THE COMMISSION, WHEN I WAS BEFORE THEM, WHEN THEY RECOMMENDED THE APPROVAL FOR THE UNITED WAY, THEY HAVE THE REQUEST OF APPROXIMATELY 1.6 [01:00:02] MILLION, FOR A NON-PROFIT THIS YEAR AND ONLY SET ASIDE, 600,000. >> THAT IS THE GENESIS OF THE WHOLE THING. >> THAT'S WHERE THE SHORTFALL COMES IN. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ONE AMONG MANY TO RECEIVE SOME TYPE OF DONATION OR FUNDS RELATED TO THE ORGANIZATION. >> IF ONE ASSUMES, WE'RE QUOTE, UNQUOTE, ORGANIZATION LOOKING FOR A HAND OUT OR ASSISTANCE IN THAT WAY. I ASSUME WE'RE PART OF THE GROUP. IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A STANDPOINT, WE ALWAYS LOOKED AT IT AS AN INVESTMENT, FOR THAT 10 PERCENT DOLLAR, IT'S 9 PERCENT RETURN TO THE COUNTY. >> CLEARLY. >> THEN THAT TO ME, IS A HUGE BENEFIT FOR ME. IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT TO THE STARTING GATE WITH THAT INITIAL FUNDS DEDICATED, THAT'S HENCE THE REASON YOU'RE HERE MAKING THE PRESENTATION NOW. IT'S FAIRLY A DIRE SITUATION. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WHERE THEY VOTED ON THIS. THERE WAS SOME HESITATION TO APPROVE NOT FUNDING. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY CONCERN. AND THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A MEETING IN FEBRUARY, REVISITING THE WHOLE BUSINESS OF GIVEN TO NON-PROFITS. AND WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, YOU ARE A NON-PROFIT BUT YOU'RE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. YOU'RE KIND IN A SERVICES, COUNTY SERVICES CATEGORY AS OPPOSED TO A STRAIGHT NON-PROFIT. AGAIN, I THINK YOU SAID, IT WAS IN A WAY, YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN THE MIX, IN THE WAY THAT WAS FUNDED. AND I HAVE THE ATTACHMENT, THAT WAS, AND THE TREASURE COVE FOOD BANK WAS NOT FUNDED. THEY REQUESTED $100,000 AND NOTHING WAS GIVEN TO THE TREASURE COVE FOOD BANK. I'M WONDERING IN THE PAST, AND I KNOW THE UNITED WAY HAS NOT DONE THE VETTING. AND IN THE PAST, ARE THERE CERTAIN ORGANIZATION, FUNDED EVERY YEAR, IT WAS ASSUME, THAT THE FUNDING. >> AND IN THE CATEGORY. AND IT'S SIMILAR. THEY HAVE MOSTLY FEDERAL GRANT REQUIREMENTS, 10 PERCENT MATCH. THEY DON'T COME IN THE NON-PROFIT, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION. >> NOT ON THE LIST. THEY ARE FUNDED IN ANOTHER WAY. >> AND RUN THAT 10 PERCENT MATCH FOR THEM. >> AND IT HASN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE VETTING PROCESS. >> AND SO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS THERE ANYTHING OTHER ORGANIZATION IN ST. LUCIE'S COUNTY THAT PROVIDES SERVICES TO SENIORS? >> AND FOR SERVICES, IN REVIEWING THE LIST OF ORGANIZATION HERE, NON-PROFITS. THERE'S NOT A DOLLAR I COULD SEE, THAT'S NOT NEEDED FOR ANY SENIOR PROGRAMS. ONE OF THE REASONS, I WANTED TO POINT OUT, HOW MUCH SENIORS ARE TO THE TABLE. >> AND MOST OF THE PROGRAMS, ARE YOUTH ORIENTED, I THINK. MOST OF THEM ARE. IS THERE A PLAN, FROM YOUR BOARD OR FOR -- TO REVISIT THIS WITH THE COUNTY? OR AT LEAST TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN NEXT YEAR OR IN THE FUTURE? >> THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS THAT THE BOARD, IN DECEMBER TO DISCUSS. ONE IS APPROACHING THE CITIES. THE OTHER IS LOOKING INTO THE FUND-RAISING EFFORTS AND OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITIES. PART OF IT IS TO GO BACK TO, GOING TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION, SEEING WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE WILLING TO REVISIT THE MATTER. THE FEBRUARY DATE SUGGESTED, WAS SPEAKING IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY MAY WANT TO DO NEXT YEAR'S CYCLE. >> IN THE FUTURE. >> FOR JUST INTRO. >> AND WHAT I HAVE IS $680,000 THEY ALLOTTED FOR NON-PROFITS. THE NUMBER REQUESTED IS 1.6 MIL MILLION. >> I WOULD POINT OUT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS, THAT WILL REMAIN THAT WAS NOT ACCURATE. AND ONE BEING, THE LOCAL MATCH IS NOT REQUIRED. [01:05:01] AND THE DEPARTMENT OF ELDER AFFAIRS. IT'S ONE OF THE -- THAT I PLACED HERE. AND ALSO LITERALLY, AND I THINK IT'S IN THE POCKET, INDICATING THAT'S A REQUIREMENT. THE OTHER SUGGESTION WAS THAT IT WAS A REALLY SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO JUST GO AND RAISE AND IT SOUNDS VERY GOOD. AND EVEN THE GOODNESS OF THE RESIDENTS OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY, DOESN'T TURN IT AROUND THAT QUI QUICKLY. >> AS A BOARD AND AS AN AGENCY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, AND THE OPTIONS THERE. I WAS GOING THROUGH AND GLANCING THROUGH THE BUDGET ITEMS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE GOING TO START TIGHTENING THE BELT, IF WE WERE TO GO IN THE DIRECTION CURRENTLY, WITHOUT ANOTHER ASK. SO WHAT OPTIONS ARE THERE? WHAT PROGRAMS THAT YOU MENTIONED TONIGHT, COULD BE SUSTAINED, JUST BY CHANGING SOME PARAMETERS IN THE OPERATION, IF THERE'S ANY. IS THERE ANY OPTION >> WE'RE DOWN TO THE OPTIONS AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW. A LITTLE HISTORY FEW YEARS AGO. WE LOST THE CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION. THAT WAS A LARGE PORTION OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WERE USED TO OFFSET A LOT OF THE SENIOR PROGRAM. AND ALSO OFFSET A LOT OF THE COSTS FOR THE EMPLOYEES. WE ASSIGNED EMPLOYEES WHO ACTUALLY WERE DOING DOUBLE DUTY, IN TERMS OF PROGRAMS IN TRANSPORTATION, THAT MADE IT A LOT EASIER. WE DID LOSE THE GRANT. WE TIGHTENED THE BELT. IT WAS A REDUCTION AT THAT TIME. WE'RE DOWN TO JUST SENIOR PROGRAMS AT THIS POINT WITH SOME SMALL TRANSPORTATION, THAT WE ARE WILLING. I'M ENCOURAGED THAT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO GROW. IN INTERIM, THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH MORE EFFECT, TO TAKE OFF AT THIS POINT. >> AND YOUR ANNUAL BUDGET, WITHOUT THE $5 MILLION, IS NOW WHAT? >> IT'S 5 MILLION. >> 10 MILLION. >> AND SO, OKAY. HOW MANY FACILITIES DO YOU OPERATE AND OR ARE PART OF. >> WE HAVE A FACILITY IN FORT PIERCE, ORANGE AVENUE. AND REPORTS IN THE BOULEVARD. >> TWO PHYSICAL LOCATION. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE DEEP IN THE HOUSES, ALL OF THE VEHICLES ALSO? >> YES, IT DOES. >> ALL RIGHT. OF COURSE, FUEL COSTS, CHANGING, IT DOESN'T HELP ANY, RIGHT? >> IT DOESN'T HELP AT ALL. >> OKAY. >> WE HAD TO DO SOME MAJOR RESTRUCTURING, WHEN THE TRANSIT. I THINK I WAS ON THE COUNCIL AND AGEING AT THAT TIME FOR A SHORT TIME, YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SAYS SO. IS YOUR YEAR, OCTOBER 1ST OR IS IT JUNE. >> JULY 1, THROUGH THE 1ST. >> IS THE STATE. >> SO EVERYBODY HAS DONE THEIR BUDGET. THE CITIES HAS DONE THEIR BUDGETS. IT CAME AS A REALLY KIND OF A HURTFUL SURPRISE TO HAVE YOU, AND TO HAVE TO DO THIS. >> COMMENCELY SO. IF WE POINT OUT, IN THE PAST, WE'VE DONE IN THE COUNTY'S BUDGET, SEPTEMBER 30, OCTOBER 1. THEY DECIDED THIS LAST YEAR TO KICK IT BACK TO JANUARY. WE DIDN'T KNOW, IT WAS GOING TO BE ISSUED UNTIL IN DECEMBER, WHEN THEY MADE THEIR FINAL RECOMMENDATION. >> EVEN THE TIMING WORKED AGAINST YOU. >> EVEN THE TIMING WORKS AGAINST YOU. >> AND IT WOULD SEEM TO ME, WITHOUT -- I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THE COUNTY'S BUDGET AND WHAT THEY DO. IT SEEMS TO ME, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER THING FOR ALL OF US, THAT YOU HAD SOME SORT OF HEAD'S UP, THAT THIS MAY BE HAPPENING NEXT YEAR AND SO, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME KIND, SO YOU'D HAVE SOME TIME TO AT LEAST DIGEST IT, MAKE SOME PLANS. YOU STILL MAY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RAISE $200,000. IT'S KIND -- >> RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH. YEP. . [01:10:08] >> IF YOU GUYS WERE NOT IN EXISTENCE, DIDN'T HAVE A COUNCIL FOR AGING IN FORT PIERCE, THIS WOULD BE FOLLOWING THE COUNTY, DO YOU HAVE HOW MUCH MONEY, YOU'RE SAVING. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE COUNTY WOULD BE ON THE HOOK FOR, IF YOU GUYS WERE NOT IN EXISTENCE? >> THE $5 MILLION, THAT WE HAVE THE EYEBALL, AS AN EXAMPLE, SUGGESTED, THE BUDGET OF 5 MILLION, FOR TRANSPORTATION, WAS MOVED TO 9 MILLION. SINCE WE'RE NO LONGER DOING IT. . >> THANK YOU. >> AND THERE'S A COUNTY THAT HAS IT AS PART OF THE -- >> BEACH COUNTY, BROWARD, DADE, POLK, THOSE ARE ALL COUNTY DEPARTMENTS. . >> I'M STILL SQUARING MY MIND AROUND THIS. THIS IS A HORRIFIC SCENARIO, THAT SHOULD PLAY OUT. GETTING BACK TO THE COUNTY FUNDING MECHANISM. OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION THERE. YOU INDICATED THEY HAVE $640,000 ROUGHLY IN ALLOCATED FUNDS FOR NON-PROFIT. DOES THE NUMBER REFLECT OR SIMILAR TO YEARS PRIOR. IS THE CONSCIOUS DECISION TO REDUCE THE NUMBER SIGNIFICANTLY. >> I THINK IT'S FAIRLY CLOSELY. 604, 605,000. SHOWED IN THE LIST THERE. >> THEY HAD MORE NEEDS. >> YES. >> THIS YEAR. >> THIS YEAR. >> SUGGESTING THAT 1.6 MILLION IN REQUEST, $600,000, APPROXIMATELY IN BUDGETING, MAYBE IN YEARS PAST, IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS IN THE SIDE. >> AND YOU GOT SQUEEZED OUT. >> SQUEEZED RIGHT OUT. >> I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS. IT STRIKES ME, YOU HAVE NOT READ THE DECISION, THIS INFORMATION COMES TO A HALT. THERE ARE FOLKS GOING HUNGRY. >> ABSOLUTELY. . >> AND THERE'S A CASCADE OF EVENTS THAT LEADS TO HOSPITALIZATION AND OTHER MEDICAL COMPLICATIONS, THAT'S NOT FACTORED INTO THIS STUFF. I'M SITTING LOOKING AT HOW TO SUBCATEGORIZE THE POINTS. YOU HAVE HEALTH AND IN THE NEEDS AREA. HOW TO KIND OF LUMP YOU AND THIS. BASIC NEEDS, IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. THAT'S THE PIECE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND. AS I KNOW WHAT A CASCADE EFFECT, PEOPLE WITH SEVERE CONDITIONS DOAN GET MEALS WILL CASCADE TO OTHER TRIGGERS, HOSPITALIZATION, OVERCROWDING, AND OTHER SERVICES TIED INTO THIS. IT BECOMES A SPIRALLING CASCADE THAT WE WON'T BE ABLE TO COME OUT. HAVE YOU DONE ANY FORECASTING OF THAT? YOU COULD PROVIDE ANY LIGHT ON THAT. I UNDERSTAND, FROM A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL, IT'S TRIGGERING OTHER THINGS. >> WE HAVE NOT TAKEN TIME TO DO IT. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. WE'RE HAPPY TO GO DO FURTHER LOOKING AT THE CASCADING EFFECT. I WILL TELL YOU THIS, FOR A LARGE SEGMENT OF THE CLIENTS WE DO SERVE, IT'S THE CAREGIVER THAT'S PUTTING AT RISK AS WELL. IN MANY OF THE SERVICES, THERE'S SERVICES, THAT WE'RE BEING RECEIVED BY A LOVED ONE. SO THAT INDIVIDUAL NOW WOULD LOSE THE SUPPORT THEY ARE GETTING IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR LOVED ONE. >> OKAY. >> YEP, THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE. JUST THE HOSPITAL SITUATION, THE OVERCROWDING THE BEDS AND COMING TO A CRITICAL SHORTAGE AT THAT POINT. IT'S CONCERNING. >> OKAY. >> I'M -- >> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR >> COUPLE OF THINGS. INCLUDE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. THE REASON I WAS TALKING ABOUT FACILITIES, I WAS LOOKING INTO GETTING INTO YOUR BUDGET AGAIN. THE CITY MANAGER AND PROBABLY THE COMMISSION, TOO, KNOW WHERE [01:15:01] I COME FROM, WHEN I START TALKING ABOUT PHYSICAL BUILDING STRUCTURES, FACILITIES, INSURANCE MAINTENANCE. AND LIKE -- THIS IS NOT CRITICAL. I'M JUST MAKING AN OBSERVATION ON WHAT I GOT AND THE PAPERWORK YOU HANDED ME A PACKET TODAY. WE HAVE MARKED, ABOUT 160, 170,000, WHERE THE PHYSICAL ITEMS ARE COSTING THE AGENCY, YOUR AGENCY. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS CHALLENGING STAFF, LIKE I'LL CHALLENGE YOU TODAY. THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. HE COULD TESTIFY, DID EXACTLY WHAT I WILL SAY. I BELIEVE THAT I REMEMBER NOW, IN ORANGE AVENUE, THE CHURCH OF CHRIST, HOPEFULLY, BUILDING, AND I THINK I WENT THERE AS A YOUNG MAN, YEARS AGO, THE BUILDING. THOSE ARE THINGS, THAT COME TO MY MIND. WHEN I'M LOOKING AT ANNUAL BUDGETS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHERE TO GO NEXT AND HOW TO MANAGE, YOU KNOW, THE $5 MILLION, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR. I COULD TELL YOU NOW, THE GENTLEMAN DOWN TO MY RIGHT, YOUR LEFT, HE UNDERSTANDS WHERE I'M COMING FROM. NOT SAYING YOU NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE. THOSE ARE REAL DOLLARS. THOSE ARE REAL DOLLARS. ON THE SCREEN, I NOTICED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, I WAS PERUSING THROUGH. I'M LOOKING AT THE REQUEST. IT CHANGED FROM LAST YEAR TO THIS YEAR. LAST YEAR, AND WHAT WERE THE CHANGES THERE? YOU COULD DESCRIBE FOR ME? YOU'RE A PRO FOR 60. WE'RE ASKING FOR 190, I THINK YOU SAID. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN, THAT IS TO REQUEST THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR AND THE ALLOCATION WAS NOT THE 60,000. IT WAS 150. THE COUNTY INDICATED, THEY DID N NOT -- THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOWED UP ON THEIR ALLOCATION. WE RECEIVED 150,000. NOT 60. AND WE PROVIDED THE BACKUP TO SHOW IT WAS INDEED, 156,000, I BELIEVE, WE RECEIVED LAST YEAR. SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THE $30,000 AMOUNTS. WE WERE TOLD, THAT DID NOT FACTOR INTO THE DELIBERATION BY UNITED WAY. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT DID FACTOR INTO IT BUT FROM MY VANTAGE POINT, I COULD SEE A VOLUNTEER, READING THIS SAYING, YOU HAVE 60. WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR 150? THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE ARE FULLY FUNDED. THE SAME CATEGORIES, THE SAME ROLE. THE 10 PERCENT LOCAL MATCH FOR THE STATE AND FEDERAL GRANT. ONE OTHER THING, THAT OCCURS WITH REGARD TO THE FACILITY. WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES TO POSSIBLY, RENTAL INCOME AND THINGS, FROM THE ORANGE AVENUE FACILITY. THAT FACILITY, WHERE WE HOUSE OUR TRANSPORTATION. THERE'S A LITTLE CAVEAT IN THAT BECAUSE WE DID SOME RENOVATIONS IN THE FACILITY, USING THE FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION DOLLARS. THE COUNTY MADE IT VERY CLEAR, WHERE WE LOST THE CRACK WITH THE COUNTY. IF WE USE IT FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN TRANSPORTATION, $250,000 BACK. SO THEY TOOK A WAY FOR OUR ABILITY TO USE IT FOR OTHER TRANSPORTATION. >> YOU DON'T HAVE A NOTE ON THE BUILDING BUT YOU HAVE A NOTE ON THE BUILDING. >> YOU OWE SOME MONEY >> HOW MANY YEARS IS THAT? >> I BELIEVE IT STANDS FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS. >> 15 YEARS, OKAY. OKAY. >> MADAM MAYOR. MY LAST QUESTION WOULD BE OUTSIDE OF CONTRIBUTIONS TOWARDS THE SHORTFALL, WHAT IS YOUR OTHER REQUEST? ? ANOTHER REQUEST OUTSIDE? >> A LITTLE SUPPORT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. I WOULD CERTAINLY BE GRATEFUL FOR THAT AND WE WILL USE IT AS PART OF THE CAMPAIGN BACK TO THE COUNTY. ANY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH, YOUR COMMISSIONERS OF THE COUNTY, IN SUPPORT OF THIS, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. I WOULD TRY TO GET THIS MUCH [01:20:02] INFORMATION OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS WE CAN, SO -- THEY CAN ALSO REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND ASK FOR THAT SUPPORT. SO THIS IS ALL PART OF THE CAMPAIGN OF GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> WELL, I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT, AT THE VERY LEAST. I'M SUPPOSED. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU. >> I KNOW. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. >> YEAH. AND TELLING US THE STRAIGHT SCOOP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE NEED A MOTION. >> READY? >> MADAM MAYOR, DO WE NEED A MAYOR. WANT A MOTION. >> DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THE LETTER? >> YOU COULD DECIDE TO WRITE A LETTER BY CONSENSUS. TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, THE LETTER GETS DRAFTED AN THE COMMISSION VOTES ON SENDING IT OUT. THE NEXT MEETING. IT WILL GO ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> THAT'S FINE, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. TIME ENOUGH? [11. CONSENT AGENDA] OKAY. THANK YOU. . >> SUPPORT OF THIS. >> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> IS THERE ANY ITEM COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO CALL. IF NOT I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRINTED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND, CALL A ROLE. >> MR. BRODERICK? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MAM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. [a. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-005 An Application for Annexation of a parcel of land approximately 61.76 acres, located north of Orange Avenue and west of N 41st Street. - SECOND READING] >> CURTIS JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I THINK WE HAVE FOUR OF THEM. WE WILL DO THEM INDIVIDUAL. THESE ARE ALL SECOND READINGS. WE HAVE 23-005, AN ORDER TO EXTEND CITY FLORIDA, 61-76 ACRES LOCATED NORTH OR NEAR 20-50 FEET OF ORANGE AVENUE, IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. AND DIRECTING, APRAISER TO ASSESS THE PROPERTY AND PLACE IT ON THE TAX ROLLS AS OF JANUARY 1, 2024, AND THE TAX COLLECTOR. AND ORDINANCE WITH THE CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT AND OFFICER OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND ARTICLE, TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH, PROVIDING FOR THE AVAILABILITY CLAUSE. AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON RJTS [b. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-007 An Application for Annexation of three parcels of land approximately 18.96 acres, located north of Orange Avenue and west of N 41st Street - SECOND READING] YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM. >> 23-007, ORDER NARNSER FO TO TO INCLUDE THREE PARCEL CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 18.39 ACRES GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR, 250 FEET WEST OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ORANGE AVENUE AND NORTH 39 STREET IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, EXHIBIT A, DIRECTOR OF THE PROPERTY, APRAISER TO APRAISE THE PROPERTY AND PLACE IT IN THE TAX ROLLS. AND DIRECTING FIRE AND ORDINANCE WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT AND CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE SFESH. AND TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE, REPAIRING ORDER NARNS AND PARTS, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS A SECOND READING. >> ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, SEEING NO ONE. >> MOTION AND SECONDS. >> CALL ROLL PLEASE. >> MR. BRODERICK >> YES, MA'AM. >> J JOHNSON? [c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-008 An Application for Annexation of four parcel of land approximately 56.67 acres, located north of Orange Avenue and east of N Jenkins Road - SECOND READING] >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON >> YES, MA'AM. >> ORDINANCE, 23-008. LIMITS OF THE CITY OF FORT WORTH FLORIDA, AND CONTAINING MORE OR LESS, 56.7 ACRES LOCATED NORTH OF APPROXIMATELY 600 EAST AT OR NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF ORANGE AVENUE IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, [01:25:01] APRAISER TO APRAISE THE PROPERTY, PLACE IT IN THE TAX ROLL, DIRECTING THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY, TAX COLLECTORS, DRECKING FILE OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE CHIEF OF CIRCUIT COURT AND CHIEF OFFICER FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY. ARTICLE TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH AND PROVIDING FOR A CLAUSE AND PARTS TO IT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS A SECOND READING. ANYONE WHO WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> CALL ROLL PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. [d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-009 An Application for Annexation of a parcel of land approximately 28.12 acres, located north of Orange Avenue and east of N Jenkins Road - SECOND READING] >> COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES. >> AND 23-009, LIMITS OVER THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, 28.18 ACRES, IN THE JOHNSON ROAD IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, AND DIRECTING THE PROPERTY, PLANS TO ASSESS THE SAID PROPERTY AND PLACE IT ON THE TAX ROLLS AS OF JANUARY 1, 2024, DIRECTING THE TAX COLLECTOR TO COLLECT TAXES, IN THE PROPERTY. DIRECTING FILE FOR THE ORDINANCE, AND DIRECTING, ARTICLE TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING FOR THE VALIBILITY CLAUSZ, ORDINANCE AND IN CONFLICT TO IT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE TO ADDRESS THE HEARING, SEEING NO ONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES [e. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-010 - Review and approval of a Future Land Use Map Amendment of four (4) parcels of land to change the future land use designations from St. Lucie County designations of Residential High (RH), Residential Medium (RM), and General Commercial (CG) to City designations of Medium Density Residential (RM) (+/- 58.84 Acres) and Mixed-Use Development (MXD) (+/- 21.84 Acres), generally located north of Orange Avenue and west of N 41st Street, Millcreek. Parcel ID's: 2407-241-0001-000-3, 2407-231-0000-000-5, 2407-212-0001-000-3, 2407-221-0001-000-1 and 2407-211-0001-000-0. FIRST READING] >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON? >> KREM KREM. >> JEREMIAH JOHNSON FRJS YES, MA'AM. >> AND ORDINANCE ON 23-0 -- THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, LAND USE, MAP DES NATION AND RESPECT OF PROPERTY, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 2,200 FEET OF THE CORNER OF ORANGE AVENUE AND IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, BEING MORE OR LESS, 80.7 ACRES THERE BY AMENDING THE DESIGNATION OF 58.84 ACRES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM THE ST. LOUISE DES NATION MUCH RESIDENTIAL HIGH AND RESIDENTIAL MEETING AND MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL AND LANDING DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 28.4 ACRES FROM ST. LUCIE PROPERTY AND RESIDENTIAL HIGH, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM AND COMMERCIAL, TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE, AS DESCRIBED IN THE DESCRIPTIONS, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, AND APPEARING, ORDINANCE AND IN CONFLICT AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. . >> I'M HAVING DIFFICULTY IN THE RO ROOM. >> FOR THE RECORD, THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE PRESENTATION AS PART OF YESTERDAY'S HEARING. IN RESPECT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE >> YOU COULD MOVE YOUR MIC. >> THIS APPLICATION, IN RESPECT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE, PARCELS. >> APPLICATION IS FOR A CHANGE OF FUTURE LAND USE FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY, RESIDENTIAL HIGH, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL, MEDIUM, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AREAS IN THE SCHOOL. APPLICANT IS RED TAIL. AND UPON HEARING THIS, SEPARATE IN THIS, COMBINED, THE APPLICATIONS. FOR PARCELS APPROXIMATELY 80.7 ACRES. AND NOW BACKGROUND TO THIS, INITIALLY THERE ARE FIVE PARCELS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD IN AUGUST 2022 READING. THERE AFTER THE SAME FIVE PARCELS WERE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IN RESPECT, BY THE [01:30:02] PLANNING BOARD AND THE DECEMBER MEETING MUCH SINCE THAT TIME, ONE PARCEL HAS BEEN REDRAWN BY THE PROPOSAL. THIS APPLICATION CARRIES 4 OF THE 5 PARCELS FORWARD WITH REQUEST TO THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. IF YOU RECALL, THEY JUST ANNEXED THE PARCELS AS PART OF THE SECOND HEARINGS. THAT MEANT THE REVISED LEADERS SUBMITTED AND ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION. AND THE PROPERTY IS SUBJECTED TO REZONING APPLICATION WHICH WILL FOLLOW ON. THAT'S THE SITE LOCATION, >> IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND THREE SEPARATE LAND USES ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY. FUTURE LAND USE THE PROPOSAL IS FOR IMMEDIATE DENSITY AND IMMEDIATE MIXED USE SPLIT. . >> AND A BUILD-UP, WHAT EXISTS IN THE COUNTY NOW AND WHAT IS POSSIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. WE SEE A POTENTIAL INCREASE OF 8-6 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AT THE SAME TIME, POTENTIAL DECREASE OF OVER 2 MILLION IN COMMERCIAL SQUARE FEET. THAT RESULTS IN A LOWERING OF THE TRAFFIC POTENTIAL IMPACT OF ALMOST 2000 DAILY TRIPS. FROM THIS PROJECT, IT WAS BUILT MAXIMUM REGARDING THE PROPOSED LAND USE. RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED. THIS IS A LARGE SCALE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. IT NEEDS TO BE TRANSFERRED TO THE STATE AND THAT WILL GO OFF, IF THIS IS RECOMMENDED BY APPROVAL BY COMMISSION OR OTHERWISE. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF. . >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. THE APPLICANT IS HERE. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. MR. MALLORY. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. COMMISSIONER FOR THE RECORD, TODD MALLORY. AND I HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PRESENTATION. I WOULD LIKE TO DO, PRESENT I HAVE FOR THE MILL CREEK, AND THAT REPRESENTS THE LAND USE AS WELL AS THE SUBSEQUENT, WHAT WOULD BE FOR THE ZONING. AND IT WILL COVER, THIS IS THE MARE. THE SECOND ONE IS A QUASI JUDICIAL. IF WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSIONS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS COMFORTABLE CARRYING THE RECORD FOR THE QUAZI -- >> AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE. MS. EARLY, DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION? >> MADAM MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST GIVE MY POINT OF VIEW. THE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING IS A HEARING WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ON THE BULK OF EVIDENCE ADMITTED, UNDER THAT PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO MIX THE TWO PRESENTATIONS. THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE HEARING. THE APPLICANT IS ENTIGHTLED TO SPEAK BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ON HOW WE DELINEATE THE ADMISSION OF EVIDENCE. >> YES, YES. >> SO IF YOU COULD PRESENT VERBALLY, SAY THE PRESENTATION FOR THE QUASI-JUDICIAL. WE CAN HAVE A COUPLE OF THE SLIDES AND THAT WILL COVER IT, QUASI JUDICIAL ISSUES. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS IS THIS OVERALL FEELING, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE LIST OF COMMISSIONERS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE SLIDE ON THE LEFT TALKS ABOUT THE CURRENT. THE SLIDE ON THE RIGHT WHAT HAPPENED IN THE ANNEXATION. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MILL CREEK PIECE, THIS IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WENT THROUGH THE P.U.D. PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WITH ST. LOUIS BACK IN 2007. IT WAS SET UP TO BE A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT WAS ESTABLISHED, THINGS, WITH THE ECONOMY, CHANGE THAT WE KNOW OCCURRED IN 2008, 2009. WE SAW THE RESULT AND THE PROJECT BECAME A SHELVED PROJECT. WE'RE BRINGING IT BACK FORWARD AND RATHER THAN BRINGING IT FORWARD, KEEPING IT IN THE COUNTY, SO IT WILL BE PART OF [01:35:03] WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, NOW WITHIN THE CITY ITSELF. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DONE, IS PART OF THE REQUEST, AS WELL AS WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER LAND USE REQUEST COMING FOR PARCEL THAT'S ALSO ON JENKINS ROAD IN TONIGHT'S MEETING. WE WENT THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF A BRANDING PROGRAM. WHEN WE SAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT COMMUNITY IDENTITY. WE TALKED ABOUT YOU, AS WELL AS OTHER GROUPS ABOUT THE IDENTITY OF THE AREA AND SOME THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT, WAS TRYING TO SET SOME SORT OF IDENTITY PROGRAM FOR THE AREA. WE CAME UP WITH A PROGRAM THAT IS WHAT WE REFLECT IS WEST ORANGE. AND SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME THINGS AND LOOKED AT EVERYTHING FROM WAY FINDING SIGNAGE, TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME BANNER SIGNS, WE HAVE IN THE AREA AND WE SORT OF REPRESENT THAT FEEL. FOR THE FUTURE RANGES, WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THIS, IS THE LEFT, IS THE CURRENT. YOU COULD SEE THE COLOR YOU SEE AROUND THE PARCELL. THAT IS ALL COUNTY PROPERTY. YOU COULD SEE, WHAT THE CONFIGURATION IS FROM THE COUNTY'S LAND USE AS WELL AROUND THAT. ON THE RIGHT, YOU'RE SEEING THE CITY AND WHAT THE ACTUAL LAND USE WOULD BE AS WELL AS YOU COULD SEE THE CITY PARCELLS THAT IS IN THAT. YOU WILL SEE THE CITY PIECES BELOW THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL AS WELL AS THOSE IN PLACE WITH THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. YOU COULD GET A FEEL FOR THAT. OUR REQUEST IS VERY SIMPLE. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE OTHER REQUEST WE HAD BEFORE. WE TRY TO DO A LIKE PER LIKE COMPARISON. WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT. RATHER THAN BRINGING IN THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL, SOLID PIECE HARTMAN ROAD. WE'RE BRINGING IN TO ALLOW THE AFFORDABLE. THAT WILL ALLOW TO CREATE A MIX RESIDENTIAL MIX, THAT YOU WILL SEE MORE AND MORE. IT USED TO BE, PEOPLE DEVELOP MALLS. WE'RE BEGINNING TO SEE MALLS, BREAKING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY SEE IN THE FUTURE, WOULD BE MORE RESIDENTIAL COMBINED WITH ACTUAL RETAIL, AS THE NAME ACROSS THE NATION FOR THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE WILL SEE WITH THIS ONE HERE. WE WORKED WELL THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATION. AND WE GOT HERE THROUGH RECORD TIME. IT'S BEEN A LABOR OF LOVE. I LIKE THE FACT, HE'S BEEN CROSSING HIS T'S AND DOTTING HIS EYES. LITERALLY, THE LATE HOURS WE'RE GETTING, THINGS BACK AND FORTH, TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE CHECKED EVERYTHING FROM THE CORRECT BOUNDARIES. AND WE HAVE SEEN THIS AS WELL, THERE'S THIS LITTLE PIECE THAT WAS MENTIONED, THAT WAS PULLED OUT AND THAT PIECE THERE, ACTUALLY, THE OWNERS ALREADY HAVE THE COMMERCIAL DES NATION. THEY ARE HAPPY WITH WHAT'S IN PLACE. THEY HAVE THE ACCESS, EASEMENTS AS WELL TO THE WEST, TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT WITH THAT. THERE'S NO ISSUES WITH THAT. THERE'S QUESTIONS I COULD ANSWER. B GLAD TO DO THAT. >> QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. >> MAYOR, JUST REALLY QUICKLY. IT WILL BE THE THEME PROBABLY FOR THE PROJECTS AND THE REQUEST THAT'S THERE. AND IF WE CAN GO TO A SLIDE, TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC VERY BRIEFLY AND THE CHANGES, BASED ON THE KURN -- CURRENT ZONING AND LAND USE. I THINK YOU HAVE A REPORT. MR. FRIEDMAN SUBMITTED SOMETHING AND WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING IN YO YOURS. >> YOU WILL SEE BASED UPON THE ITE, THE INTERNATIONAL TRANSPORTATION MANUAL. YU'LL SEE THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND THE RATES, WILL PRESENT TO THE CITY, A REDUCED VOLUME FOR THE NETWORK. >> IF YOU'RE ABLE TO FLIP BACK, THE CURRENT COUNTY DES NATION. IT WAS A HIGHER INTENSITY. HIGH INTENSITY RIGHT THERE. >> AND TO SHOW MORE COMMERCIAL, SPACE ON ORANGE AVENUE. AS A RESULT, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE CALCULATIONS, THIS IS NOT DONE BY ANYBODY, EXCEPT A LICENSE ENGINEER. THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT'S WHAT THE DETERMINATION WAS. SO YES >> AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME [01:40:01] FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE COME FOR FORWARD. >> MS. COX WILL GIVE YOU A WARNING. THREE SECONDS. . >> AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR ME, PLEASE, YOUR ADDRESS. >> AND I 207. AND I RESIDED HERE FOR OVER 30 YEARS. I UNDERSTAND THE FUTURE PLANNING THAT IS PROPOSED HERE. MY CONCERN, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THAT IS GOING TO, AND EVEN NOW, WITH THE JENKINS ROAD AND THE DEVELOPMENTS, ON THE WEST SIDE, IT'S CAUSED A LOT OF PROBLEMS, A LOT OF TRAFFIC. EVEN WHEN I LEAVE MY HOUSE, I HAVE TO GO SOUTH TO GO EAST, TO JUST TO GET TO ORANGE AVENUE. AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MIXED USE AND THE COMMERCIAL, WHAT ABOUT THE NOISE LEVEL? THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMES IN THE AREA. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE WALLS THERE, TO DETEST SOME OF THE SOUND AND THE NOISE THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US? SO -- AND THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MIXED USE ALSO, IF YOU HAVE AN ENTERTAINMENT AREA IN THERE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT EITHER. THOSE ARE THE MAJOR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA. IT'S QUIET OVER THERE NOW. IT'S VERY PEACEFUL. I DON'T MIND THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE COUNTY, HOWEVER PLEASE CONSIDER US AS RESIDENTS OF THE AREA AND OUR NEEDS AND CONCERNS. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS NANCY. I LIVE AT 100 NORTH. WE ARE NEIGHBORS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WILL HAPPEN, THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE. AND ALSO, SHE SPOKE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THERE ARE ABOUT, BETWEEN 41ST STREET AND 37 STREET, WHICH 39 RUNS IN THE MIDDLE. THEY ARE AT LEAST 200 FAMILIES, HOMES IN THE AREA. WE DO HAVE A VERY BAD TRAFFIC PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT -- IT HAPPENS. IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY READ ON THE AGENDA, ARE SECOND MEETINGS. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME, WE'RE HEARING ABOUT IT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD EVENING. TO THE HONORABLE MAYOR. AND THE COMMISSION PANEL. MY NAME IS LINDA TOMPKINS. AND I LIVE AT 213 NORTH LYDIA STREET. I HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. THE TRAFFIC WAS HORRIBLE. WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO WORK IN THE MORNING, YOU TRY TO FIGURE OUT, WHICH WAY YOU COULD GO, SO YOU COULD GET OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT TO GET TO BEHIND TRAFFIC. IF THEY ARE GOING TO PUT A THOUSAND UNITS IN THERE, THAT WILL BE A CATASTROPHE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET OUT. ALSO, ARE WE GOING TO BE NEXT TO THE CITY OR IS IT GOING TO BE A COUNTY? ARE WE GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM FLORIDA LIGHT TO FORT PIERCE UTILITIES? THAT WILL BE A DISASTER. WE'RE ON FIXED INCOMES. WE'RE RETIREES. WE DON'T HAVE $5-600 TO PAY UTILITY BILLS. WE'RE BUILDING UP THE CITY. I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT, BORN AN RAISED. AND I WANT TO SEE IT GROW AND PROSPER, SEE THINGS HAPPEN. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. AND LIKE SHE SAID, THIS IS OUR FIRST TIME HEARING ABOUT THIS. THIS IS SECOND READING. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO NOTIFY, WHAT IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING AND IT'S LIKE, IT'S ALMOST A DONE DEAL. SO THIS HAS BEEN DONE, WITHOUT ANY REGARD OF PEOPLE HARD [01:45:03] WORKING CITIZENS THAT LIVE IN THE AREA. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE DEVELOPMENT, A WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP. SO I BEG AND PLEAD WITH THE COMMISSIONERS TO PLEASE CONSIDER THOSE VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU. . >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONER ON THIS SUBJECT? MR. MALLORY, DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS. >> MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M RESPECTFUL FOR MS. COX, TODD MALLORY, AND DEVELOPMENT IS ALWAYS A TOUGH ISSUE, WHENEVER WE TALK ABOUT IT. FOR THE RESIDENTS, I FULLY FEEL, I WOULD DO THE SAME THING IF I WERE IN THEIR SHOES. WHEN SOMEBODY TALKS ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SOME QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, NO, THIS IS NOT ANNEXING THEIR PROPERTY TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THEM. THIS DEVELOPMENT DOESN'T SHOW WE'RE CONNECTING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR DOING ANYTHING AS IT RELATES TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THEY WILL NOT COME TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE UTILITIES. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO, FORT PIERCE AT SOME TIME. AT THIS POINT, NOTHING IS AFFECTING THEM IN THE PARTICULAR AREA. THIS PIECE HAS BEEN SLATED FOR DEVELOPMENT IN THE PAST. IT'S BEEN GIVEN A ZONING DESIGNATION AS WELL AS LAND USE DESIGNATION, BOTH PROVIDING, PROPERTY, THE RIGHT, TO REMAIN IN THE CONFINES, THE ZONING DESIGNATION IS. AND AS LONG AS WE MEET COVER J RA, AS LONG AS THEY PROVIDE STORM WATER PONDS, AND HANDLE THE PROCESSES, THEY ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP THE LAND AS IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. THE SAME FOR RESIDENTIAL. IF THERE WAS A VACANT LOT, THEY KNOW, SOMEBODY COULD, AND THEY CAN FOR MANY YEARS AND ENJOYING THE VIEW. THAT SORT OF THE SAME IN THE SCENARIO. WE ARE MEESED, WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT THIS AND BRING IT BACK TO THE LOWER INTENSITY, THAN WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED PRIOR. WITH THAT, WE'RE COMING IN, ASKING FOR A REQUEST. THIS IS TO BE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY. WE FELT THE COUNTY RATHER IMPORTANT. THIS IS ABOUT OUR CITY. THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT. AT THE TIME, I REMEMBER, THE POLICE WERE DOWN THE STREET AND WE WERE ASKING WHAT'S GOING ON. THEY MENTIONED THE 35 SCOOTERS. I STARTED THINKING ABOUT THE ASPECT. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT AFFECT US AND WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT. FOR THEM, THEY GREW UP HERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL PROUD TO LOOK AT THIS AS THE COMMUNITY AND WE WANT TO RESPECTFULLY DEVELOP IT. THAT'S WHY OUR REQUEST IS FROM THE COUNTY TO COME INTO THE CITY, TO HAVE THE CITY, WHO WE BELIEVE TAKES MORE PRIDE AND EFFORT IN THE CORRIDOR, TO MAKE SURE THIS IS DONE CORRECTLY, COULD DO THAT, WITH IT BEING NEXT. THIS IS NOT PROPOSED AS ANY TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT CENTER. THAT WAY, THE INITIAL COULD DEVELOP TOWARD THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >> >> MR. FRIEDMAN, YOU COULD REMIND ME ABOUT THE NOTICES FOR THE RESIDENTS, FOR THIS, THE CHANGES. >> THIS HAS BEEN, IN THE NEWSPAPER. AND THERE'S A MAIL OUT. >> IS THERE A SIGN POSTED? >> THERE'S ACTUAL SIGNS, IN THE SIGNS SINCE DECEMBER, I BELIEVE. >> THAT'S THE STANDARD WAY OF NOTIFICATION? >> YEAH. . >> MADAM MAYOR. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, TOO. WE WILL TALK ABOUT EACH INDIVIDUAL APPLICATION TONIGHT. THIS IS PART OF THE COMPLICATED GOVERNMENT PROCESS, IN WHICH WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ROUTINELY. AND IT'S TRICKY AND IT'S CUMBERSOME SOMETIMES. THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE PART OF THE FUTURE LAND USE AND PROPERLY SETTING THE ZONING FOR THE CITY AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO GROW. WHEN YOU HEAR THE APPLICANTS COME UP TONIGHT, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A SITE PLAN. WE'RE NOT BEING LOOING AT DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UTILITIES. WHILE THOSE ARE ALL THINGS TO [01:50:01] CONSIDER WITH CONNECTION TO ROADWAY NETWORKS. THIS IS CONSIDERED TO FUTURE LAND USE MAPS. AND THE NEXT ONE IS MORE OF A TESTIMONY PROCESS, WHERE WE HAVE A QUASI JUDICIAL SITTING IN FRONT OF US, WE'RE ACTING AS SOMEWHAT A COURT SETTING AND SO I JUST WANT TO -- BUT PLEASE, COME AND SPEAK ABOUT EACH APPLICATION, CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT THEM AND THIS IS, THIS IS YOUR PLACE TO GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK AS RESIDENTS, WHETHER COUNTY OR CITY. I KNOW SOME OF THE THINGS GET COMPLICATED. BUT NOTHING IS CHANGING EXCEPT HOW WE'RE PLANNING AND GROWING IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. IF APPROVED, NOT APPROVED, IT WILL STAY IN THE HIGHER ACTION. THAT'S THE XENTS I WANT TO MAKE. WE HAVE A COUPLE THREE OR FOUR. >> RIGHT. >> IT'S COMPLICATED. THAT'S ALL WE CAN SAY. >> AND WE HAVE BEFORE US, A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTS, PERIOD. >> YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES >> AND I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION, LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS SPEAK. AND I'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE. SO WE PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER? >> UH-HUH. >> WE PUT SIGNS ON THE PROPERTY? >> YES. >> AND WE SENT LETTERS. >> SO CERTAIN -- IN CERTAIN RADIUS? >> IN CERTAIN RADIUS, YES. >> CERTAIN RADIUS. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND THE COMMISSIONER, WILL PROBABLY THROW SOMETHING AT ME. WHEN I SAID, YOU SAID SIGNS, IT BROUGHT ME BACK TO THE TOWER ISSUE. IT BRINGS IN THE TOWER. I'M GOING TO BE HONEST. THE TOWER ISSUE, UNLESS YOU DROVE DOWN AND LOOKED FOR THE SIGN, YOU DIDN'T SEE THE SIGN. THIS IS MY ONLY CONCERN BECAUSE I HEAR THE RESIDENCE SPEAKING. AS THE CITY AND STAND WITHIN THE LAW, AS THE LAW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ALSO FEEL THAT THE DEVELOPER SHOULD HAVE TO GO BEYOND AND ABOVE THE MEANS, PER THE LAW. I WISH THEY WOULD, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE LAW. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO PROTECT RESIDENTS THAT WE KNOW AROUND THE AREA, THAT, THERE'S SOME TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING OTHER THAN PUTTING UP SIGNS, OTHER THAN NEWSPAPERS. I'M GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AND I'LL PROBABLY GET IN TROUBLE. THE LAST TIME, I READ A NEWSPAPER, SPORTS PAGE, I'M GOING TO BE HONEST. ESPECIALLY. AND I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THESE NOTICES ARE IN THE NEWSPAPER. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND I COULD FIND EVERYTHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA, BEFORE I GO TO A NEWSPAPER. I'M TRYING TO HELP THE RESIDENTS THAT BUILT UP FORT PIERCE WITHOUT HURTING THE DEVELOPERS THAT WANT TO MAKE FORT PIERCE GROW, IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE, WHEREVER WE COME AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE R RESIDENTS COME AND SAY, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M HEARING. I UNDERSTAND, SOME RESIDENTS MAY SEE THE SIGN AND MAY COME AND STOP AND SEE IT. EVERYBODY COMING AND SAY THEY KNOW ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE HERE. AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE TO DO A DUTY, TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE, BEFORE WE START CATERING OR, THAT'S A BAD WORD. BEFORE WE START LEANING TOWARDS A NEW DEVELOPERS. IT'S THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE, THAT MADE FORT PIERCE WHAT IT IS. THE SIMPLE QUESTION, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ENHANCE THE NOTIFICATION. BEING ON NOTIFICATION, TO ENHANCE THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, WHEN DEVELOPERS COME IN, THAT THAT'S RESIDENTS AND SURROUNDING AREA ARE NOTIFIED? >> IT'S A VERY INTERESTING PO POINT: WHETHER YOU WANT TO GET IN THE END, IS THE QUESTION. THE MOMENT WE FOLLOW WHAT'S MANDATED IN THE CODE. AND SOME RECEIVE, NOTIFICATIONS, [01:55:05] 30 DAYS OUT. SOME RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS, THE DAY, IN THE AGENDA ITEM. THOSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF -- IF COMMISSION, SO DESIRED TO EXPAND THAT. WE'RE CONSISTENT, IN TERMS OF OUR OPERATION AND WE FOLLOW THOSE RULES. WHEN WE MEET WITH APPLICANTS, WHEN WE COME OUT THE DOOR, WE DO, IF WE THINK, THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTED THIS WEEK, WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY GET OUT THERE AND PUBLICIZE THIS THING. WE CAN'T MANDATE THAT. WE CAN'T SAY, WE HAVE TO DO THAT. >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, THE CITY, US, COULD GET THIS NOTIFICATION OUT, GET THIS NOTIFICATION OUT. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER. I'M THROWING IT UP HERE. I HATE SITTING HERE AND SAYING, THIS IS THE FIR TIME I'M HEARING ABOUT THIS. ESPECIALLY, SINCE I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME AND I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN IN FORT PIERCE. THEY'VE BEEN IN FORT PIERCE, AS LONG AS THEY'VE BEEN IN FORT PIERCE. I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WITHOUT CHANGING THE CODE. I'M NOT CHANGING THE PROCESS. WITHOUT CHANGING THE CODEND A WITHOUT BREAKING ANY KIND OF LAWS, THAT WE PUT EXTRA WORK ON DEVELOPERS. COULD WE COME OUT OF A WAY, WE TRY TO TAKE NOTICE. IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO, THAT WOULD COST ME MONEY. IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. I'M JUST TRYING TO HELP I'M TRYING TO HELP EVERYBODY. IF NOTICE GETS OUT BEFOREHAND, IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN THE RESIDENTS AND THE DEVELOPER WILL GET TTOGETHER BEFORE WE COME HERE. SOMEBODY MAY MAKE CONTACTS AND THEY MAY TALK AND MAKE OUR LIVES EASIER. THAT'S MY COMMENT FOR TONIGHT. >> AND ALSO, MAKES STAFF -- >> AND WE ALL, YEAH. PROBABLY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, OUR LIVES HAVE CHANGED, IN TEMS OF NEWSPAPER. OUR LIVES HAVE CHANGED. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS LEGISLATIVELY REQUIRED. IT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO PUT IT IN THERE. THE DISTRIBUTION OF NEWSPAPERS HAVE GONE DOWN. I'M JUST SAYING, WE'RE TOO SMART TO -- >> WE HAVE TO LOOK AT DOING A BETTER JOB. >> SOME INPUT ON THIS. THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE WRESTLED FOR A WHILE. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SUGGESTED, IN THE PLANNING BOARD STAGE, THERE'S NO NOTIFICATION OF REQUIREMENT. WE THOUGHT, IF WE HAD A MANDATORY MAILING, COME OUT IN THE PLANNING BOARD, 30 DAYS IN A MINIMUM, PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AND REDUNDANCY OF HAVING A SECONDARY NOTICE, IN ESSENCE, YOU WALL PAPERED THIS THING. AND THAT WAS BASICALLY --ND NEVER WENT FURTHER THAN THAT. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THE REDUNDANCY, INITIAL PHASE. CLEARLY THE DIFFERENT TIME BECAUSE THE DIFFERENTIAL ON THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND COMMISSION, PROVIDES REDU REDUNDANCY. AND IT'S NOT OVERLY BURDENONSOME, BUT FROM AN INFORMATIONAL STANDPOINT, THAT EVERYBODY WILL BE A BENEFICIALLY OF THAT. AND IT GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS TO SPEAK CONCERNS ON THE PLANNING BOARD. THE INITIAL FRONT LINE PLANNING MEETING IS IN THE PLANNING LEVEL. AND IF YOU HAVE 100, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT IN THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, IT WOULD BE, TOO. IN OUR OPINION, AT LEAST IN THE REVIEW OF THIS, YEAR AGO, TWO YEARS AGO, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A [02:00:04] LOGICAL STEP TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS, AS FAR AS NOTIFICATION OF THE RESIDENTS, TIMELINESS, REDUNDANCY, WE THOUGHT IT WAS A FORMAT IN WHICH TO ADOPT. RESOLVING THE NOTIFICATION ISSUE. AND I HATE FOR PEOPLE TO COME UP, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS. AND YOU'RE NOT DRIVING AND LOOKING FOR PROPOSAL. YOU GET MY POINT. IF IT'S NOT HITTING YOU IN THE FACE, YOU ARE NOT. AND IT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY, HEY, WE DID PROVIDE NOTIFICATION, AND OVER THE TEAM OF 90 DAYS. IT WAS A SUGGESTION TO RESOLVE THIS. ONE OTHER POINT AND I WILL STOP. FOR THE FOLKS HERE TONIGHT, I BELIEVE ONE OF THE CRITICAL COMPONENTS IS -- AND I GET IT. WE SPEED THROUGH THE ANALYSIS STUFF AND ALL OF THAT. IT'S A LOT OF BULK TO DIGEST. IF THIS PROBABLY WILL REMAIN IN THE COUNTY, THE DENSITY WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN BY BRINGING THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY, GOING WITH THE PROPOSAL AND CHANGES THAT ARE BEING SUGGESTED, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WHILE NOBODY IS AP HAPPY THE WITH DENSITY OF VACANT LAND, THIS IS BETTER THAN IF THE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN IN COUNTY. AND THERE'S ADVANTAGES TO THE COMING INTO THE CITY, FROM THE DENSITY PERSPECTIVE AND TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE. ALL OF THE PERSPECTIVES, WE CHECK THE BOXES BY BRINGING IT TO THE CITY. IF NOT, POTENTIALLY, WE WILL HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED IN 2006-2007 AND ALREADY ON THE GROUND AT A HIGHER DENSITY LEVEL AND WE'D LIVE OVER IT. SOMETIMES, THE DATA, WE GLANCE OVER IT. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE. >> COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'M WATCHING HISTORY REPEAT. THE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS, IN 2003, 2004, WE ELIMINATED THE NOTIFICATION. I WAS PART OF AT THAT. IT WAS NOT BECAUSE -- IT WAS BECAUSE THE CITY COMMISSION DESERVED TO HEAR FROM THE CONSTITUENTS IN ADDITION TO THE PLANNING BOARD BEING IN AN ADVISORY, COMING TOGETHER AS RESIDENTS TO ADVISE THE COMMISSION ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT. THE RESIDENTS IN WHAT THEY THOUGHT, PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON WHAT THEY THOUGHT IN THE IMPACTS OR NONIMPACTS IN THEIR SUPPORT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY. SHOULD I JUF SHARE THAT. IN ADDITION, MR. FRIEDMAN -- TONIGHT, WE'RE LOOKING. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK, WHY WE'RE SITTING HERE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN APPLICATION AND AT A LATER DATE FOR SITE PLAN REVIEW, LOOK AT THE INS AND OUTS, CONNECTIVITY, TRAFFIC FLOW, IS THAT ACCURATE. >> THAT'S VERY ACCURATE IN FACT, WITH THIS, WITH THE PROCESS WE'RE DOING THIS WITH THESE APPLICATIONS AND YOU'LL SEE THAT FOLLOWING THIS DISCUSSION WE HAVE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSAL FOR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE WAY THAT'S ARRANGED IN THIS APPLICATION IN THE FORTHCOMING APPLICATION, IS THROWING MORE OF THE CONCEPTIONAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. COMMISSION WILL ALSO, NOT ONLY SEE THAT THE INITIAL, THEY WILL ALSO SEE A FINAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. IT WILL BE MORE DETAILED THAN THE ONE THAT YOU'RE SEEING AFTER THIS ONE. >> TODAY OR AT A LATER DATE. >> AT A LATER DATE. >> SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING. IT IS PART OF THE PROCESS IN THE GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA. THIS IS WHAT WE DO TO GO THROUGH OUR COMPLIMENTS. LOOK AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING OF OUR CITY. AND THE PREVIOUS FOUR ITEMS, FOUR OR FIVE ITEMS, I THINK THERE ARE FOUR. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO WITH ZONING. IT WAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SITE PLANS, TRAFFIC FLOW, NONE OF THAT. IT WAS ALL ABOUT WELCOME TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THE SECOND READING GOT APPROVED TONIGHT. AND THEN, NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING APPLICATIONS WHICH IS PART OF THE PROCESSES [02:05:07] WE WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW, BECAUSE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IN ADDITION TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SUBMITTING TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. >> THAT'S FOR ZONING. >> FUTURE LAND USE MAP. >> FUTURE LAND USE MAP. >> THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. >> I'M TRYING TO LEARN FROM THE HISTORY THERE. I'M TRYING TO LEARN, AS A COMMISSIONER MOVING FORWARD AND BRINGING IN PART OF THE COUNTY AND LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS. WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. PART OF THIS, TO ME, IS PART OF THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THE ZONING. WE WILL LOOK AT ZONING. WE WILL ANALYZE ZONING, HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT ZONING. WE WANT TO SEE THE SITE PLANS, NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE APPLICATION, IN SUCH A SHORT TIME. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANT'S TIME FRAME. WE WILL HEAR. WE WILL HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. WE WILL HEAR YOU TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC. WE HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MIXED USE COMPONENTS AND HOW MANY SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL BE IN THE PARCEL IN ADDITION TO THE HOW MANY UNITS. AND THE MEETING IS PART OF THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS. WE ARE SITTING LIVE, BROADCASTING ON TV. WE HAVE SOME STUFF GOING ON ORANGE AVENUE, FOLKS. THAT'S WHERE I'M SITTING. >> YES, SIR >> AND SO COMMISSIONER GAINES BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF POINTS. I THINK WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THIS IN THE FUTURE. I WENT THROUGH THE PACKET. USUALLY IN THE APPLICATIONS, MR. FRIEDMAN, WE GET THE DATA THAT TELLS US HOW MANY WERE MAILED AND ACTUALLY DELIVERED. IS THAT RIGHT, IN THE PROCESS, PROCESS? HOW MANY PEOPLE, RESIDENTS, MAILED OUT NOTIFICATION WHEN IT COMES TO THIS KIND OF STUFF. >> I NEED TO REFER TO THE PLANNING. >> THE PROCESS. >> AND I'M NOT SEEING THAT MYSELF, IN THE POSITION. THAT COULD BE DONE. >> WELL I'VE SAID IN THE COMMISSION. . >> WE AT LEAST KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON. WHAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE A CROSS SECTION. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANNEX AND PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. AND WE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS, WHO ARE IN THE COUNTY OF ST. LUCIE. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU MAY HAVE THE CITY -- AND ANYTHING DEVELOPMENT, I NEED TO BE CLEAR. . >> AND 500 FEET. AND AGAIN, GETTING BACK IN THE PAST. AND SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE MAPPING TO SAY, AND FEEL COMFORTABLE, AT LEAST IT WENT OUT TO THE RADIUS. AND AT LEAST, I'M USED TO ACCUSTOM TO SEEING THAT IN THE PACKET, WE HAVE AN IDEA, HOW MANY IN THE RADIUS WERE NOTIFIED. WE USE A LOT OF FANCY TERMS OUT HERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS, THAT WE IMPRESS UPON, IS THAT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW, IS MUCH MORE RIGOROUS WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IMPACT THAT WILL HAVE ON YOUR RESPECTED NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE SURE WE'RE OBSERVING THE PUBLIC AND -- LISTEN TO YOUR CONCERNS AS WELL AS DEALING WITH THOSE AT THAT PARTICULAR BOARD. THE PLANNING BOARD WILL WEIGH IN BASED ON TRAFFIC STUDIES. IT COULD CONTINUE TO VOICE THE CONCERNS. AND THERE'S MANY MORE. AND ALIGN FOR PEOPLE TO CHOOSE TO STAY IN THE PROPERTY THEY OWN. THE BIGGEST FOOTPRINT, IT WENT FROM THE COMMERCIAL ZONE AREA DOWN TO THE RESIDENTIAL. AND I THINK, AS WE BEGIN TO [02:10:04] UNDERSTAND, ONCE THE APPLICATION COMES FORWARD, YOU PUT THE SITE AND WHAT BUILDINGS WILL LOOK AT HERE, AND HOW THEY WILL FLOW THE TRAFFIC AND A BETTER UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY PLAN TO PROPOSE, NAVIGATING, PEOPLE GETTING IN AND OUT OF THE RESPECTIVE AREA. AND EARLY ON IN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS. I SAW SOME THINGS, THAT ARE COMPARABLE, HOW TO NAVIGATE TRAFFIC, TO MITIGATE ANY ISSUES COMING OUT TOWARDS THAT. I WELCOME, WE ALWAYS WELCOME THE MEETINGS WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. THE DEVELOPERS MEET WITH US. WE MEET WITH RESIDENTS AS WELL. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO MEET WITH ALL THE COMMISSIONERS AND MAYORS, TO HAVE A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT MAY LOOK LIKE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IN THE FUTURE, MR. FRIEDMAN. >> I REMEMBER, WHEN YOU FIRST GOT ON, I WOULD SEE THE NUMBER. I THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK IN HERE, BECAUSE OF THE PACKET. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. EXACTLY RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> CALL ROLL. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU >> J. JOHNSON. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. [f. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Ordinance 23-011 Review and approval of an application for a Zoning Atlas Map Amendment of four (4) parcels of land to change the zoning classification from St. Lucie County PUD and Commercial General to City classification of Planned Development, generally located north of Orange Avenue and west of N 41st Street . Parcel ID's 2407-124-0001-000-3, 2407-134-0001-000-4, 2407-144-0001-000-5, & 2408-233-0001-000-1. FIRST READING] ? >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES. >>ND AN ORDINANCE WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONER, CITY OF FORT PIERCE ATLAS AND EXPERIENCING, FOR FOUR PARCELS, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 80.7 ACRES, APPROXIMATELY 2250 FEET NORTHWEST CORNER OF ORANGE AVENUE AND NORTH 39TH STREET AND IDENTIFYING IN EXHIBIT A PROVIDING FOR EXCLAUSE AND CONFLICT TO IT PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE LATER. SO IF YOU EVERYONE, WOULD LISTEN TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AS SHE GIVES US THE GUIDELINES TO CONDUCT THE HEARING. >> THE CITY COMMISSION SERVES THE LENG LAYTIVE AND QUASI JUDICIAL ROLE WHEN ACTING AS LEGISLATIVE BODY COMMISSION ENGAGES IN ACTIVITY PASSING LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICIES. WHEN ACTING AS A QUASI JUDICIAL BODY, COMMISSIONER QUAZI POLICIES, HELD TO STRICTER STANDARDS OF PROCEDURE. THEY ARE LESS FORMAL BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT BUT ARE MORE FORMAL THAN A NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. THEY MUST FOLLOW PROCESS OF NOTICE AND JUDICIAL PROCESS AND DECISIONS MADE BASED ON COMPETENCE OF CIRCUMSTANCIAL EVIDENCE. AND THAT IS WHY THE COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED THE UNIFORM PROCEDURES THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED THIS EVENING. FINALLY, NOBODY SHOULD APPROACH THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE DIOCESE, AND THE CITY ATTORNEY. IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO THE UNIFORMED OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MADAM CLERK, HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ITEM? >> HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISED REQUIREMENTS. >> WOULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONER. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES. >> YOU HAD EX-PARTY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> I READ E-MAILS. I DON'T REMEMBER IF I TALKED. I WILL SAY YES. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON? >> YES, WITH THE DEVELOPR. >> J. JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. I MET WITH THE APPLICANT AND MET WITH THE RESIDENTS OF CITY AND COUNTY. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO, MAM. >> WOULD YOU SWEAR THE WITNESSES PLEASE? >> YES, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, PLEASE STAND. THAT INCLUDES ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT INTEND TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM. >> IF YOU ARE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, YOU WILL SPEAK, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND, TO BE SWORN IN. >> YOU HAVE TO STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. >> STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HHAND YIR . >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUCK, NOTHING BUT THE TRUG? >> I DO. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. FRIEDMAN >> THANK YOU. . >> AND YES, THIS IS WHERE WE GET DOWN TO THE NITTY-GRITTY. KEVIN FRIEDMAN, COUNTY DIRECTOR. [02:15:01] AND THE STAFF WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THIS SLIDE, PRESENTATION FOR THE RECORD. DEALING WITH THE ATLAS MAP AND WENT TO THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WE HAD, FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND 80.7 ACRES. AND SENT TO MALLORY AND PROPERTY OWNERS, WE HAVE TWO PROPERTIES AND FOR PARCELS, TOTALLING 80.7 ACRES. AND THE -- FIVE PARCELS, WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE AUGUST 8TH, 2022 MEETING. AND PRIOR, THEY WERE RECOMMENDED THE ZONING CHANGE. SINCE THAT TIME, NO PARCEL WAS WITHDRAWN. THE APPLICATION CARRIES FURTHER PARCELS FORWARD, WITH REQUEST TO THE ZONING ATLAS CHANGE TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE COMBINED FOUR PARCELS, HAVE JUST BEEN SUBJECT TO SEPARATE LAUNCH, AND APPLICATION, WHICH THE COMMISSION RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL. AND THE DESCRIPTIONS HAVE BEEN AMENDED ACCORDING TO SEPARATE THE 5TH PARCEL. SITE LOCATION -- EXISTING Z ZONING -- DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIAL OF THE COUNTY. SPLIT, THAT TAKES ANOTHER APPROXIMATELY 8 ACRES OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, COMMISSION DEVELOPMENT. JURISDICTION, AND THE APPLICANT, PROVIDED A CONCEPTIONAL SITE PLAN. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ASPECT OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING TODAY. AS YOU NOTICE, OUTLINES SEVERAL AREAS, IN GENERAL THAT WILL BE ALLOCATED TO PRESERVE, WETLAND ACCESS, MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL AREAS. SUBSEQUENT TO THIS APPLICATION, SHOULD IT GET APPROVAL, THERE ARE MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THIS. AND IT WILL INCORPORATE HOW MANY DEVEL DEVELOPMENTS, PRECISELY, THE LAY OUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THE TRAFFIC AGGRESSES AND EGRESES, WHERE THE TRAFFIC ZONES WILL MORE ACCURATELY -- FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS PROPOSED. AND SEE THE ACTIONS THROUGH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS REGARDING LANDSCAPING. AND IT NEEDS TO BE TREE REMOVAL, TREE PRESERVATIONS, STONE WALTER, GRADING, AND PROTECTION OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEIGHBORS, AND THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION. AND THAT'S LIKELY TO TAKE PLACE OVER A PERIOD OF TWO MONTHS THE APPLICATION WILL BE RECEIVED SUBSEQUENTLY AFTER THE STATE, IF THEY APPROVE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT. THE APPLICANT WILL BE PUTTING IN A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, THAT WILL INCORPORATE ALL THOSE AND OTHER FACTORS, THAT YOU ARE FULLY AWARE AS A REVIEW OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND SITE PLAN. AND THE COMMUNITY, WE BREAD TO SEE AND COMMENT ON, MULTIPLE ASPECT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE. TO EMPHASIZE, SIMILAR RESTRICTIONS ON THE DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. THOSE ARE ALMOST LIKE IT'S IN ZONING, BUT WILL BE PLACED ON THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AS A BASELINE. THAT WILL COVER THE MAXIMUM LOCK TYPES, THE USES TO CERTAIN EXTENT. AND THEN, CONFIRMATION, THAT THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WILL REVERT TO THE STANDARD CITY CODE, IN CERTAIN ASPECTS. SO IT'S A COMPLEX DOCUMENT. THAT WILL BE FULLY OUTLINED IN THE NEXT PART OF THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL. AND AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE TWO OR THREE MONTHS AWAY. [02:20:05] AS PART OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, THE STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING A NUMBER OF CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AND THESE, ALL ASPECTS, ARE BELIEVED TO BE DISCUSSING IN DETAIL, THE NEXT -- PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE FACT, IF THIS IS APPROVED TODAY, THE MASTER PLAN, THE PRELIMINARY MASTER PLAN IS ADOPTED. WILL LOCATE THE DEVELOPMENT CRI CRITERIA REQUIREMENTS ARE ADOPTED. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES, THAT NEED TO BE -- RESOLVED PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT. AND PART OF THAT IS THE FINAL PD PLAN, TO COME BACK AS A MAJOR AMENDMENT. THAT THE FINAL P.D., REQUIREMENTS TO THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES AND THE GENERAL STANDARDS OF APPROVAL FROM DEVELOPMENT ZONING. IT NEEDS TO BE FULLY EXPLORED IN TERMS OF WETLAND JURISDICTION DETERMINATION AND THAT WILL COME FROM THE EXACT BOUNDRIES OF THE WETLANDS. THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED TO THE SITE PLAN. AND AGAIN, GO TOWARDS THE SURVEY. AND HABITAT ASSESSMENT. THOSE ARE DETAILS, THAT COME THROUGH FROM THE APPLICANTS, FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT. WE'RE ENFORCING THAT WITH ACTIONS WE HAVE TO TAKE DURING THE PROCESS. DETAILED, AND TRAINING PLAN AND STATEMENT HOW THAT WORKS, NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED. AND WE HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS IN THE APPLICANT AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE, MAY BE A DISCUSSION HERE, AFTER THIS. WE WANT IT TO INSURE, IF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, IS UNDER A PROPER CONTROL. AND IT WAS ORG NICED INTO A FORM THAT ONCE IT WAS APPROVED, IT COULD BE DAMAGED AND OPERATED AS A UNIT. PART OF THAT, IS THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSE ING. >> AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE PHASES. HOW THEY FITTING TO. WHAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT OUT AND BEFORE. THAT WILL BEGIN, PART OF THE FINAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. ARCHITECTURE AND THE STREET SCAPE. AND THE CONVERSION OF THE PARKING AREAS, AND PUBLIC -- PROPOSED FOR EACH PHASE, NEEDS TO BE OUTLINED. THEY NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY THE NUMBER OF TYPES, SIZES AND WHAT -- AND THE DENSITY, TOTAL AMOUNT OF SPACE AND TOTAL AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL ACREAGE. AND THEY WILL SAY, AGAIN THE AGREEMENT. THEY NEED TO BE AGREED AND REVIEWED BY STAFF AND THE COMMISSION. THERE'S LOTS OF INFORMATION, THAT ARE REQUIRED, REGARDING LANDSCAPING. ALL THE ISSUES, THAT YOU HAVE TO SEE IN SITE PLAN. PART OF THAT, AND SPECULATION, OFF STREET PARKING AND LOADING. . >> UTILITY SYSTEMS. TREATMENTS OF THE PLANNED DEVELOP AM. WHERE -- WHERE LOADING, IF THEY ARE LOADING AREAS, ARE LOCATED. ALL OF THESE ARE DESIGNED TO PROTECT RESIDENTIAL USES AND A SITE PLAN, THEY NEED TO ADDRESS, AND IN THE AFTERNOON, TO PROVIDE A STATEMENT ON HOW IT IS WORKING TO THE BENEFIT OF ADJACENT, RESIDENTIAL USES. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THIS. AND MAYBE WANT TO DISCUSS THIS, FOR FURTHER DETAIL, TO THE FACT, IT'S GOING TO BE A PHASE, MULTI-PARCEL DEVELOPMENT. WE NEED TO RECOMMEND AN APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING AMENDMENT. AND I THINK, IF I MAY ADD, THAT [02:25:04] WE THINK THAT PROTECTIONS IN THIS APPROVAL, THAT ADDRESS, LABELS AND THE ABILITY TO LABELS TO COME AND TALK TO COMMISSION AND PLANNING BOARD AND ALSO TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF, THE ISSUES. SO AS THIS MOVES FORWARD, THE 15 CONDITIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDING TO BE ATTACHED HERE, AND THE DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE FACT, THAT THIS WILL COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE VARIOUS BOARDS. SO THANK YOU. . >> LET ME CLARIFY, IF SOMEBODY IS IN THE AUDIENCE, THEY WANT MORE INFORMATION AND WANT TO BE KEPT INFORMED, THEY CAN CALL THE PLANNING STAFF? MAKING SURE, YOU GET ON THE LIST OF BEING INFORMED ET CETERA, ET CETERA. >> GOING FORWARD. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. DEVELOPERS INCORPORATING, PASS THROUGH SUBDEVELOPERS ET CETERA, ALL PROJECT. THE CITY CODE, IS THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD. >> YES. >> THE COVEN NANTS IS SUPERIOR, AS FAR AS LOT SIZE OR WHATEVER THE SITUATION MAY BE. IT DOESN'T FALL BACK TO CITY CODE. THEIR SUPERIOR REQUIREMENTS WOULD PREVAIL. THE CITY CODE IS THE ABSOLUTE BASELINE. THEY CANNOT DROP WITH THEIR PACKAGE OF COVENANTS. >> UNLESS THEY REQUIRE IT DURING THE FINAL PD PLAN. THEY ARE REVOTING TO THE CITY COUNSEL. >>ND A THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE USED IN THE CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, IS THAT CORRECT >> CORRECT. >> ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE STAFF. THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO ASK QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. FRIEDMAN. I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, MR. MALLORY >> I DO NOT. . >> MY NAME IS TODD MALLORY, WITH RED TAIL. >> YOU WERE SWORN >> YES, I WAS SWORN IN. >> I HAVE IN THE AUDIENCE, MR. RAY'S SECTION, AS WELL AS MR. RICHARD SANCHEZ. HE'S RECOVERING FROM THE SURGERY, AFTER PLAYING HIS YEARS OF HIGHLIGHTER. IF YOU SEE HIM WOBBLING. >> OH, NO, IN ABOUT A MONTH. >>. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS, BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS COMPLICATED. I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S COMMENTS, TO TRY TO HELP TO KEEP THIS PROCESS DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO USE IT TOO. TO TRY TO MAKE IT FEEL MORE UNDERSTANDABLE. WE ARE OUSZED TO, IT COULD BE COMPLICATED IN THE PROCESS. THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL MATTER AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE PRESENTED WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IN TERMS OF PROVIDING A BURDEN OF PROVE ON THIS TYPE OF MANNER. YOU AS A QUASI JUDICIAL BURDEN, HAVE TO DEAL WITH ONLY COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. AND WE KNOW UNDER, OUR EMOTIONS, HOW WE PROCEED THINGS. WE HAVE TO BASE IT AS WELL AS THE LOCAL ORDINANCE. THAT SAYS, YOU MUST FOLLOW, IF IT MEETS THE STANDARDS, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE IT. FOR US AS PLANNERS, WE STRUG. IT MEANS, WE WANT TO LISTEN TO WHAT IS STATED BY THE RESIDENTS AT TIMES. WE CAN'T LISTEN TO ANYTHING, UNLESS IT'S PROVIDED TO YOU, RELIABLE. IT CAN'T BE VARIED AND CAN'T BE UNCERTAIN. IT HAS TO BE SUPPORTIVE WITH REAL STATEMENTS, THAT ARE BACKED WITH PROFESSIONAL BACK GOWNS AND THINGS, IT'S A CHALLENGE. IT MAKES THE PROCESS LOOK AWKWARD. AS A FORMER COMMISSION, WE HAVE RULES OF FORMER COMMISSION THAT IS UPSET. WITH ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. THIS IS ONE THAT'S ANNEXED THROUGH THE ACTION TONIGHT. AS IT COMES TO THE CITY, IT COULD KEEP THE SAME ZONING. YOU COULD KEEP THE COUNTIES DOANING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, AND YOU COULD DO THAT. [02:30:05] WE RECOMMEND YOU PUT THE CITY, CITY ZONING WITH IT. WITH THAT, WE RECOMMEND, VIRTUALLY, A SIMILAR ZONING WITH IN TERMS WHAT THE CITY HAS TODAY AND WE'RE RECOMMENDING A MUCH REDUCTION COMPARED TO WHAT THE COUNTY HAS AS WE GO CLOSER TOWARDS ORANGE AVENUE. I WANT TO BE CAUTIOUS OF THE BURDEN OF PROVE. SECONDLY, THIS IS GREAT LAND, AND NOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET IT. WE WILL GET A REDUCTION, SO THAT'S GREAT. WE'RE AT THE POINT, WE'RE PUTTING A ZONING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. AS WE GO THROUGH PROCESS, YOU PLACE, AND ACTION, THAT GOES THROUGH THE STATE. THE STATE HAS 30 DAYS TO REVIEW. IT COMES BECOME AND YOU TAKE THE SECOND READING ON THAT. THE ZONING COULD BE YOU TRY TO DO SOMETHING, LIKE APPLES TO APPLES. IN THIS CASE, A PLANNED DEVELOP AM. SHOULD ACCOMMODATE THE SIMILAR THOUGHT. THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT BASICALLY MEANS, YOU SHOULD GET A WIN. AND THE APPLICANT SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING, THAT ALLOWS THEM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WITH THIS, WE'RE CREATING A COHESIVE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT. WE DON'T HAVE THINGS THAT'S SPECKLED AND STAGGERED AND DON'T MAKES SENSE. THE P.D. AS IT COMES TOGETHER, IF WE CAN BORROW IT. AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, WE CAN BRIEFLY MENTION WHAT WE'RE DOING, WITH THE IDENTITY. THE FACT WE ARE HAVING SOME WAY FINDING SIGNAGE, SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WEST ORANGE AND WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE IDENTITY FOR THE AREA. AS WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHAT WE'LL BE DOING THROUGH THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, AND THIS IS FOR THE RESIDENTS AS WELL. IF YOU'RE PUTTING ZONING. AND ALL IT SAID, DOING APPLES TO APPLES AND A MEETING DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. YOU WOULD PLACE ON IT. ANY USE THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, COULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD AND IS DONE AND WHATEVER MANNER, ANYBODY THAT OWNS THE LAND DECIDES THEY WANT TO DO, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE ZONING STANDARDS. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT THE STANDARDS. WHAT'S USEFUL, NOT ONLY ARE YOU GOING TO BE ADOPTING THE PLAN YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, ALTHOUGH IS BASIC, IS SUPPORTED WITH THE TABLES AND CHARTS, THAT'S PRESENTED IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION. THOSE STANDARDS, COMMISSIONER, HAVE HIGHER STANDARDS THAT'S REQUIRED IN THE ORDINANCE. WE CAN'T EVEN DO THE CITY, ORDINANCE STANDARDS, ONCE YOU APPROVE IT. THE ONLY THING THAT COULD HAPPEN, IS WHAT WE PRESENTED 249 PLAN, ALONG WITH THE STANDARDS THAT CORRELATE WITH IT. WE ARE NOT ABLE TO COME BACK DOWN TO IT. THIS GOES TO THE PROPERTY. ZONING REMAINS WITH THE PROPERTY AND NOT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THE NEXT OWNER IS STILL BOUND BY THE COVENNANTS AND HAS TO FOLLOW THROUGH WEIGHS ON IT. THAT BECOMES IMPORTANT WITH THIS TYPE OF REZONING. GIVES YOU THE CLARITY AND DEFINITION TO KNOW, WHATEVER IS BEING PRESENTED, MUST TAKE PLACE WHEN PROJECTS ARE BROUGHT FORTH. IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPTIONAL PLAN, YOU WILL SEE, IT REPRESENTS TWO MAJOR ELEMENTS. THE TWO MAJOR ELEMENTS, REPRESENTS A PROJECT. ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF THE PROPERTY ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN. IT REPRESENTS WHAT WE HAVES YOUR MIXED USE CATEGORY AND THAT PROVIDES FOR COMBINATION OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES IN A COLLECTIVE SENSE TOGETHER. IT HAS TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. ONE IS FROM HARTMAN ROAD, TO THE NORTH OF THE PROPERTY AND THE OTHER ONE IS THE CURRENT MEETING D. OCHL T. OPENING RIGHT THERE IN BEN CREEK. AND THE SELF STORAGE FACILITY, THAT'S THE EXACT ALIGNMENT, WITH THE ROADWAY CONFIGURATION. THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO. IF YOU'RE HEADING EAST, THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO POINTS THAT ALLOWS YOU TO TURN LEFT, WHICH IS HEADING NORTH TO THE PROPERTY. AND THOSE ARE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS. WE ALSO HAD INITIAL DISCUSSIONS TO TALK ABOUT OUR PROPOSAL. THEY HAVE REVIEWED THESE, THEY HAVE REVIEWED IT FOR ACCESS. THEY REVIEWED IT, SO THEY CAN PROVIDE COMMENTS. BOTH CITY AND STAFF, WAS PROVIDING, TO THE COUNTY, AS THEY LOOK AT THE INITIAL, IT'S KIND OF A PREAPP-TYPE DISCUSSION. [02:35:01] TRY TO SPEND ENOUGH TIME AND ATTENTION, TO MAKE SURE THESE THINGS ARE BEING REVIEWED, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PRESENTED SOME THINGS WELL. WE DON'T THINK, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU ACCESS TO ORANGE AVENUE. FOR THE PROJECT, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH EVERY ASPECT FROM PREPARING ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, THAT EVALUATE THE SOIL THAT'S IN PLACE, AND IT REVIEWS TO MAKE SURE, IF THERE'S ANY WETLANDS IN PLACE, WHAT SIZE, WHAT SHAPE, WHETHER THEY ARE SENSITIVE, WHETHER THEY ARE NOT SENSITIVE TO LOOK AT THE TREES IN PLACE. ARE THERE TREES THAT HAVE A LOT OF HARDWOODS? IF SO, WHAT'S THE NATURE. THE ENTIRE PLO SES IS SOMETHING. AND IT'S TO PROVIDE OUR STUDIES AND WE HAVE HAD OUR ENVIRONMENTAL SURVEY, TOP GRAPHIC SURVEY, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. WE HAVE CREATED CONCEPTIONAL AND AS WELL AS DETAILED, WHAT WE CALL A FINAL SITE PLAN THAT'S NOT BEING PRESENTED TONIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR PROCESS, IS THE ZONING ADOPTS THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. ONCE THAT'S ADOPTED, WELCOME BACK AND SUBSEQUENTLY BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION AND PRESENTS THE FINAL PLANS. EACH WILL BE PRESENTED IN PHASES. WHAT I NEED YOUR HELP IN UNDERSTANDING WITH THE PROCESS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN, WE WOULD BE COMING TO YOU WITH END USERS THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE THE SAME AT EACH APPLICATION. YOU'RE SAYING, TODD WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY? WHAT I'M SAYING, IF YOU COULD THINK OF SMALL SCALE IN TERMS OF TRADITION. THEY HAVE MERRITTAGE, PRESENTING HOMES AND THEY EACH HAVE AREAS THAT THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR AND THEY WOULD BE SECURE AS PART OF THE OVERALL PACKAGE. WE WOULD HAVE AN OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT'S AVAILABLE. WE HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING STYLES. YOU HAVE SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TOWN HOMES. YOUR SINGLE FAMILY TOWN HOME MY NOT BE A HOMEBUILDER. THEY MAY NOT BE CONCERNED WITH THE SINGLE PORTION PART OF THE PROJECT. I WANT THIS PORTION OF IT AND WANT THAT PORTION. WHEN WE PRESENT TO YOU A FINAL P.D. PLAN, WE NEED TO MAKES SHUSH, AND VERY -- AND THE USER MAY HAVE THIS STYLE OF CORRELATES. WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE PICTURES IN FRONT OF US, TO GIVE YOU A FINAL PRODUCT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. FOR THE PLAN, THE TOP RIGHT CORNER, SHOWS THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AS BEING SOME NATIVE HABITAT, THAT -- WE BELIEVE SHOULD BE PROTECTED. SHOULD NOT BE DEVELOPED. CLOSEST TO THE RESIDENTS, OVER ON 41ST STREET AS WELL AS CANAL. THAT ENTIRE AREA -- TO INCORPORATE SOME WALKING TOURS IN THE AREA AND TO HAVE THAT ESTABLISHED. THIS PLAN BECAUSE IT'S PRELIMINARY DOESN'T INCLUDE THINGS THAT RELATES TO WALLS AND LANDSCAPE BUFFERS AND ALL THE THINGS. ALL OF THAT IS PART OF THE FINAL P.D. PROCESS. AS YOU'RE AWARE, FINAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SITE PLANS, REQUIRE A HIGHER LEVEL OF STANDARD THAN OTHER SITE PLANS. THEY ARE OTHER DETAILS. AND THOSE THINGS WILL COME WHEN THE PLANS COME IN. TODAY, CONCEPTIONAL P. DVM. IT ALSO IDENTIFIED THE SIGNIFICANT WETLAND. ABT THEY ARE PROVIDING IN ABUNDANCE, ALLONG. WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO CREATE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS THE IMPACT FROM THE STANDARD NEIGHBORHOODS. WE CAN'T HAVE WATER THAT GOES OFF SITE. ALL OF THE WATER, MANAGES ON SITE THROUGH A PROCESS, WEIGHS DONE WITH THE MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. OUR CIVIL ENGINEER IN THE PROJECT, WHICH IS EDC. EDC GOES WITH THE PROCESS, IN THE DEVELOPMENT. THEY'VE BEEN ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE POINT. IN TERMS OF THE EVALUATION, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S GOING ON. THE COMMERCIAL PIECE, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENT IN TRYING TO CREATE CONCEPTIONAL SITE PLANS SO WE CAN BEST MARKET THE [02:40:05] PROPERTY. IN DOING SO, WE'VE SHOWN A COUPLE. IT'S BEEN TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS IN THE FAR RIGHT CORNER. IT'S BEEN PROBABLY 10-15 COMMERCIAL RANGE. WE'RE NOTE AS SIGNIFICANT. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT A HOME DEPOT, NOT LOOKING AT LOWE'S, BIG BOX-TYPE. IT'S MORE COMMERCIAL. AS YOU GET CLOSER TO AN INTERCHANGE, YOU COULD SEE A HIGHER INTENSITY OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. JUST AS ON THE SIDE, WHERE WE WILL BE TALKING IN ONE OF OUR SUBSEQUENT AGENDA ITEMS ABOUT THE OTHER PROJECT CALLED WEST ORANGE. WE HAVE AN APPLICATION, THAT'S GOING THROUGH REVIEWS ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, JUST SOUTH SIDE OF ORANGE, AT THE CORNER, THAT MR. JOEY MILLER OWNS. AND WE'RE GOING IN THE PROCESS OF CHANGING THAT TO COMMERCIAL. WE'RE GOING THROUGH APPLICATION THAT WILL ALLOW GROCERY STORE-STYLE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S BEEN SITE APPROVED GOING IN THE VERY CORNER AND WRAPPING AROUND THE INVEST, BOUNCE OF THE 20 ACRES. HAD WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANNEXATION TO THE CITY, WE WOULD ALLOW IT FOR THE CITY AS WELL TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THAT'S WHERE THE INTENSITY SHOULD BE IN THE AREA THERE. THIS WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS RESIDENTS FROM THAT. I FEEL LIKE I COULD GO ONND ON. THOSE SUBSECTION 136, THAT'S YOUR AMENDMENT STANDARDS. THAT'S THE STANDARDS PUT IN PLACE BASED ON THE IMPORTANCE. IF I COULD WRITE ANY QUESTIONS, BE GLAD TO DO SO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENTS ON THIS. >> DID YOU SEE THE CONDITIONS, THAT MR. FRIEDMAN WENT THROUGH? >> I DID. THE ONLY QUESTION THAT I HAD, WE HAD TO WORK THROUGH STAFF AND MR. FRIEDMAN ACKNOWLEDGED THAT, ITEMS 8, 14, 15, RELATE TO THE UNIFIED CONTROL. THIS PROSEQUE YOU MAY HAVE ONE FACE FOR THE COMMERCIAL. THEY MAY NOT BE UNDER UNE FIGHT CONTROL. AND EXAMPLE I GAVE, TROOD. AND LINCOLN BE. SO YOU WANT TO WORK WITH STOOF, TO MAKE SURE THE LANGUAGE IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE FINAL ACTION OF THE SECOND READING. THIS IS THE FIRST READING AND THE SECOND READING, COMES THAT YOU MAY HAVE THAT. ITEMS 8, 14-15. AND ALSO, THERE WOULD BE A PLACE, POA. PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL BE. MANAGE AND MAINTAIN, CERTAIN COMMON BE. AND SO, THAT WOULD THEN REQUIRE THAT WHEN THE FINAL IS PRESENTED, THOSE P.O.A. COVENNANCE IS BROUGHT TO THE CITY. IT -- THEY CAN APPROVE. >> YOU MAY HAVE MULL PEL. I DON'T WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD. WHAT YOU WILL FIND, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE LEFT UP TO, YOU KNOW, TO THIN AIR. WE ARE GOING ON THE RECORD. THERE WILL BE A P. OVM AVM. YOU WILL HAVE AN ENTITIOR RESPONSIBLE, MANAGING OR MAINTAINING THE SYSTEMS PUT IN PLACE >> QUESTIONS OF MR. -- >> AND YOU GO AHEAD, SIR >> >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. GO BACK TO THE PICTURE, MR. MALLORY. THANK YOU FOR THAT, AGAIN. AND PUT IN THE MOUSE AND CALLED ON THIS, BASED ON THE CON CONCEPTION, ACCESS THE PARTICULAR PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, [02:45:09] EITHER COMING TOWARDS 95 OR HEADING TOWARDS 95. >> AJD THE OTHER ONE IS RIGHT HERE. HARTMAN ROAD. >> AT THIS POINT, THIS IS SIGNALIZEDED RIGHT NOW. >> IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION, GO OUT IN THE FOYER. YOU COULD HEAR THAT. >> AND THOSE ARE TWO ACCESS POINTS FOR THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL AREA THAT WILL BE UP FRONT, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> ONCE THEY LEFT THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL AREA, THEY WOULD GO TO THE SUB LET OF ROADS, OR THEY WILL COME BACK IN THE SIGNALIZED AREA. >> ACCESS BACK OUT J OF WHY THEY CAN GET THIS SECTION HERE. >>ND A THE TOPIC IS MOSTLY PRESERVE. THE ENTIRE AREA, AND HE KEPT IN A RESERVE TRACK. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO GO THERE. AND STARTING BY STAGE ONE. >> AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT'S LISTENING TO THIS. THIS IS PRELIMINARY PRODDING. THOSE WHO ARE BEING EXPOSED FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE INTRICATE DETAILS ON WHICH THE P.D. SITE PLAN WILL BE DRAWN, A VERY INTRICATE. WE KNOW HOW THE BUILDERS ARE GROWING, THE GRUB WORK AND THE LEVEL OF HOUSING, WAFR. TO KIND OF LET THE PUBLIC KNOW, IT COST A LOT OF MONEY. TYPICALLY DEVELOPERS DON'T WANT TO GO ALL THE WAY THERE. THIS GETS APPROVAL. AND BASED ON THE DETAILS. VERY WELL, I'M DONE. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. STAY ON TRAFFIC FOR A MINUTE, IN THE MIXED USE SECTION. RESIDENTSIAL COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE THE ONE ACCESS POINT SINGLEIZED. DO YOU PROPOSE OR TALK TO DOP, RIGHT HAND, TURNING MOVEMENTS OUT OF THE SECTION DEVELOPMENT. IS IT ONLY IN THE SIGNAL, ROUGHLY? >> SO WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE IS, USE THE MOUSE HERE, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO -- FOR THIS ONE, IT'S BEING SHOWN AS A RIGHT INND RIGHT OUT FOR THAT. IT DOESN'T ALLOW THE FULL MOVEMENT. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK WITH THE D.O.T. WE ARE TRYING TO SEE IF WE NEED TO MAKE MOVEMENT. AND D. OVM TVM WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, WORKING IN. >> AND WHAT DOES THIS. >> THIS IS PROPERTY. APPROVAL. NOT ONLY IS GO. WE SHOULD BE CONVEYING THAT PRO, TO ALLOW FOR ROADWAY, EXPANSIONS. IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS THAT GOES IN. THERE ARE NO PLANS TO DO ANY ROAD WIDENING OR IMPROVEMENTS. IF YOU COULD SEE, THIS IS LAND THAT ALREADY HAS PROVIDED ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, THAT IS NOW UNDER MUNICIPAL CONTROL. THIS IS A PIECE THAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO COMPLETE THAT ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY REQUEST. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO STAY ON THE THEME, IN MAKING SURE, COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON WHO SIT ON THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, WE WORK WITH D.O.T. OFTEN. AND AS PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD WITH RESIDENTS IS ABOUT TRAFFIC AND FLOW AND WHAT HAPPENS TO ORANGE AVENUE. I APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION AND THE TESTIMONY. THAT'S THE WAY LIKE FUTURE LAND USE, WE'RE PLANNING OUR ROADWAY NETWORK. WE HAVE THE ELEMENT THERE. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL AS PECK AND DRAINAGE ASPECT. WE HAVE QUITE A LARGE NORTH ST. [02:50:01] LUCIE RIVER WATER SCHOOL DISSTRICK, THAT SEPARATES THIS PARCEL FROM 37, 39, UP TO 41ST THERE. DO YOU ANTICIPATE HOW WIDE THE CANAL REALLY IS? YOU HAVE ANY IDESIA ON HOW FAR ROUGHLY THE SURVEY? I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ELEMENT AND PRESERVE TRACK, ALONG WITH TE WETLANDS AND HOW DO YOU CONTROL YOUR DRAINAGE IMPACT. KIND OF ALL OVER DRAINAGE AND ENVIRONMENTAL COMMENT? THE REASON I'M ASKING, IS MORE BUFFERING FOR THE RESIDENTS, AS WAS COMMENTED IN THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM. >> THE CURRENT, IT'S MORRIS CREEK IN TERMS OF HEADING NORTH THERE. IT'S ABOUT 76 FEET OF CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S IF PLACE TODAY. THE ACTUAL WATER BODY ITSELF, ON AVERAGE, IT'S AVERAGE FLOW IS 16 FEET. >> THE RIGHT OF WAY, ITSELF, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED OR CONTROLLED BY THE WATER CONTROL DISTRICT IS UPWARDS, 70, 75 FEET. >> CORRECT. >> TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED WITH DRAINAGE, WHEN YOU HAVE A MAJOR DEVELOPMENT AND YOU HAVE TO CONTROL THE WATERS OF THE DEVELOPMENT BEFORE ANY RELEASE FROM THE SITE. IS THAT ACCURATE >> IT IS. WHEN A PROJECT IS PRESENTED TO A MUNICIPALITY. BECAUSE OF OUR JURISDICTION, WE PRESENT PROJECTS. >>ND AN IF YOU'RE UP NORTH, YOU DP TO SAINT JOANS. YOU HAVE TO CREATE SUITABLE DOCUMENTS THAT SHOW THEY ARE NOT ONLY ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE RANGE TODAY AND THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT A FLOOD YEAR OF TIME. AND IF THEY ARE DOLING WITH X NUMBER OF YEARS OF A STORM EVENT, THIS IS HOW MUCH WATER WOULD FALL IN THE SITE. I DON'T WANT TO PRETEND TO BE AN ENGINEER ON THAT. I THINK YOU SEE THE PROCESS ENOUGH, TO SHOW, THEY'VE CREATED A STORM WATER SYSTEM, THAT COULD MANAGE AND MAINTAIN THE STORM WATER THAT LANDS ON THE SITE. IT COULD BE ACCOMMODATE D CLEANSED AND A LOT OF IT WAS ABLE TO -- IN AQUA FOR, IN A MATTER, STATE APRFD AND AUTHORIZED, SO IT DOESN'T CAUSE ANY DAMAGE IN ANY OF THE ADJACENT AREAS. >> GOOD JOB FROM A PLAN. >> APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. THE LAST IS ABOUT THE LEGALITIES OF THE P.O. AVM. IN A PLANNING, YOU TESTIFIED ABOUT HOW OUR DEVELOPMENTS. WE'RE NOT RECREATING SOMETHING NEW, NO NEW PROCESSES, THE UNITIES OF TITLE. WE'RE NOT -- YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO BE UNIQUE. PROPERTY ENNERS. >> WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PRESENT SOME TYPE OF A NEW PROCESS, REVIEW SOME TYPE OF PROCEDURE. LOOKING TO THE EXISTING LAND REGULATIONS AND FOLLOW THE LAND REGULATIONS. WITH THE PROCESS, TO PRESENT SOMETHING I BELIEVE WOULD BE AT A STANDARD THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAT YOU NORMALLY WOULD SEE FOR THE CITY. THAT'S REALLY BEEN OUR GOAL. WE KNOW WHAT ORANGE AVENUE LOOKS TODAY. BOTH REPRESENT CORE RID DUR HOW SHOULD WE DO IT? RIGHT NOW, IT'S A MIXTURE, PEOPLE THAT PUT UP BARBED CHAIN FENCES, TO -- TO RENT THEIR EQUIPMENT AND SHOWCASE. AND FOR HERE, IT SHOULD BE A CHANGE FOR THE AREA. BE A STRONGER ENTRY IN THE SOFTER APPROACH. THAT'S WHY WE LOOK, IDENTIFYING WAY FINDING SIGNAGE, BETTER TO TALK ABOUT, WE WANT TO SEE A CHANGE AND WE HOPE IT WOULD BE [02:55:01] IMPETUS FOR YOU TO DO THAT. FOR THIS APPLICATION AS WELL AS SUBSEQUENT APPLICATION, GIVEN A CONSIDERABLE AM OF PROPERTY, THE CITY ALLOWS YOU TO DO THAT THING AND HOPEFULLY COMFORTABLE. AND WITH EACH OF YOU. MAKE SURE WE ADDRESSED THE QUESTIONS WE MAY HAVE HAD. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> REAL QUICK. I'M LOOKING AT THE AREA WHERE YOU SAID, LOOKING AT THE AREA, WHERE YOU SAID, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. WILL THERE BE ACCESS FROM PEOPLE IN THE RESIDENTIAL PART TWO, TO GET TO WHATEVER RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AREA INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME BACK OUT TO THE MAIN STREET TO GET BACK IN, TO GO TO GET BACK IN. HAD WE THOUGHT ABOUT I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY WHO LIVES ON TOP OF THE SCREEN, TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE MAIN ROAD, TO HARBOR, TO WHATEVER COMMERCIAL THERE IS. IS THERE ANY THOUGHTS OF ANYWAYS TO HELP PEOPLE, WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE DEVELOPMENT, THAT TO GET ON THE MAJOR ROADWAYS TO, YOU KNOW, MORE SUGGESTIONS OR HOW WE THOUGHT. >> AND YOU'RE BRINGING UP SOME GOOD QUESTIONS. AND WHAT THE PRELIMINARY STAGE. ALL WE'RE DOING IS ADOPTING THE PRELIMINARY PLAN. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN IN THE SIDEWALKS AND THINGS AMONG THE SITE. IT MAY COME DOWN, WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY POINTS OF ACCESS, EXSENDING TO 41ST AND 40TH AND WHAT NOT. FROM A LOT OF COMMUNITY AS PECKS POINTS, WHEN YOU GO TO TRADITION, IN THAT SETTING, WHETHER IT'S -- PGA OR LOOKING AT TRADITION, YOU'LL FIND, THEY HAVE CREATED THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THE NEIGHBORHOODS FUNNEL AND THEY HAVE TRAFFIC SENT TO THEIR COMMERCIAL AREA. THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY ALLOW CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. EACH OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE THAT ELEMENT. WE DON'T KNOW, IF WHAT COMES BEFORE YOU, YOU MAY WANT A PORTION GATED. AND YOU'LL FIND, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN, WHEN THE FINAL SITE PLANS COME TOGETHER AND YOU COULD LOOK AT. YOU MAY FIND THAT, IF YOU'RE LIVING ON 31ST AND 40TH, YOU MAY NOT WANT PEOPLE WITH TRAFFIC AND MAY NOT GOING INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR SO LONG, HAS BEEN KEPT QUAINT AND NOT HAVING TO DO WITH TRAFFIC OR ISSUES IN THAT AREA. WE'LL HEAR WITH A PLAN, AS WE COME WITH THAT. >> AND STARTING WITH THE TRAFFIC AND LAST THING, THANK YOU FOR THE DEVELOPER FOR THE PRESERVED TRACK. I'M SURPRISED, MY COLLEAGUE, TO THE LEFT OF ME, DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE TREES AND THAT'S THE THING. SO PRESERVE TRACK, IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO START REALLY DOING, DEVELOPMENTS IN FLORIDA TO KEEP AS MUCH AS OLD FLORIDA. I HEARD YOU SAY SOMETHING ABOUT PUTTING THE TRAIL. MY QUESTION, WOULD THAT BE, IF YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T. WOULD THAT BE FOR THE NEW RESIDENTS? WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU ALLOW, AS A PRESERVED TRACK FOR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY AS SOMEWHERE TO GO WALK? >> GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE HAVE A GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU. I DON'T KNOW HOW THINGS WILL PLAY OUT. I DO KNOW THIS. THERE'S A QUESTION ASKED DURING THE PLANNING MEETING, WHETHER IT TURNED INTO A RACIAL PARK OR SOMETHING. IT TURNED INTO, ONE OF THOSE, WE DON'T HAVE THE ROADWAY, AND AGAIN, TO TRY TO CREATE, A PARK IN THE PARKING LOT, AND HAVING THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC AND HOW THOSE THINGS WOULD HAPPEN AND WHATEVER. I FEEL LIKE, AS WE GO THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS, WE KNOW HOW TO CREATE SOLID HEALTHY NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW TO DO THOSE THINGS AND HOW IT COULD BE A BALANCE ON THOUSAND THOSE THINGS PLAYOUT. HISTORICALLY, CITIES WERE SET UP IN A GRID. ALL THANKS TO SAVANNAH GEORGIA. SAVANNAH SET UP A PATTERN, REPLICATED OVER AND OVER. WE'LL HAVE LETTERED STREETS AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. SOMETIMES, PEEP REALIZE IT, 40 MINUTES LATER. SOME PEOPLE DON'T CATCH ON. FOR THIS, AS COMMUNITIES HAVE EVOLVED, THEY'VE GONE AWAY FROM GRID NETWORKS. NOW THEY'VE GONE THROUGH OTHER STYLES OF NEIGHBORHOODS. [03:00:02] PEOPLE HAVE BEEN MORE CONCERNED ON WHETHER IT'S THEIR SAFETY, SECURITY AND PERCEPTION OF SECURITY, AND PERCEPTION OF SAFETY. WE WILL SEE ALL THOSE THINGS COME INTO A PLAY. EVERY DEVELOPER SEEMS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA. FOR THIS, WE ARE GIVEN A PALLET. >> I UNDERSTAND THE PALLET. I'M JUST, YOU KNOW. PLANTING SEEDS THAT DAY. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GOING. AND THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> BACK TO THE SITE PLAN. MY QUESTION, RELATIVE TO THE NEXT PLAN. I KNOW -- AND I'M BLEEDING FROM THE CONVERSATION, THERE'S GOING TO BE MULTIPLE SITE PLANS COMING IN, IS THAT ACCURATE. >> I WOULD ASSUME, YOU WOULD SEE MULTIPLE SITE PLANS. >> AND YOU'RE DICTATING TO THE PARTICULAR DEVELOPERS IN THE OVERALL MASTER PLAN, RELATIVE TO WHAT THEY CAN PUT ON THAT PARTICULAR SITE, HOW MANY UNITS, AND WHAT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE. THAT'S ALL TEMPLATED ALREADY. >> IT IS. >> THEY ARE COMING BASICALLY FOR THE SNIPPET OF THE TRACK, TO SEE THEY WILL PUT IN 100 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, ET CETERA. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT AT THIS JUNCTURE? >> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT, WHO HAS BEEN SWORN IN. IF YOU WANT TO BE SWORN IN. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC? STATE YOUR NAME AND WERE YOU SWORN IN >> LINDA TOMPKINS, 213 MOUNT 40TH STREET. I'M SITTING CRINGING AS I LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, JUST KNOWING THE AREA, IT'S ALREADY CONGESTED. WE HAVE ALREADY THE RED LIGHT. IF IT WASN'T FOR THE RED LIGHT, WE WOULD NOT. AND 39TH IS FOUR-WAY FOR THE CITY. AND PEOPLE AM COULD -- PEOPLE COMING, GOING TO ORANGE AVENUE AND GOING OUT THIS. AND IT'S CONGESTED. WE HAVE TO DECIDE, HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH WAY WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THE DEVELOPMENT. IT APPEARS, WE NEED TO BE MORE X'S AND ENTRANCE AND INTO THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE PLANET. AND BECAUSE, IN THE BUILDING NEAR TO EACH OTHER. THEY COME OUT TO ORANGE AVENUE. AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? PUT A LIGHT ON 39TH. THE LIGHT THAT'S HARDENING, YOU KNOW? SO THEY WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO GET ON THE MAIN ROAD? ALSO, ONE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS THE DRAINAGE. IN THE AREA, WE HAVE SEPTIC TANKS. HOW WOULD THAT AFFECT OUR SEPTIC SYSTEMS. ARE WE STILL HAVING PROBLEMS WITH OVERFLOWING, LOCKAGE? IT'S A LOT OF THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED. WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE? ARE THEY GOING TO BE CONNECTED TO THE CITY? THESE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS. I KNOW LATE TO THE PARTY, WE DIDN'T GET OUR INVITATION ON TIME. MADAM MAYOR, YOU KNOW I LOVE FORT PIERCE. YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT FORT PIERCE, BEFORE WE BECAME MAYOR. I LOVED TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT. I LOVE TO SEE IT GROW AND BUILD. I DO HAVE THESE CONCERNS. I CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE. THANK YOU. . >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ANYONE ELSE? MR. MALLORY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING, BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? >> JUST SIMPLE COMMENTS, OBVIOUSLY, THE UTILITIES, FORT PIERCE UTILITIES. THEY WILL HAVE SEWER, WATER. IT WILL BE ON CITY ELECTRIC. THERE WILL BE NO SEWAGE, AS IT RELATES TO DOING ANYTHING WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEM. THERE WON'T BE ANY WELLS IN THE AREA. PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IN. THERE WON'T BE ANY DRAW IN EFFECT. [03:05:03] DURING THE DRAINAGE. THEY HAVE TO HANDLE THE DRAINAGE ON SITE. THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE HANDLED. TRAFFIC. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE PROCESS. AS YOU START HEADING EAST ON ORANGE AVENUE. THE CLOSER ON THE CITY, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE, CURB CUT, CURB CUT. EVERY WHICH WAY, THE CONCLUSIONS. OFTEN CALLED THE SUICIDE LANE. IT'S NOT THE BEST THING. CERTAIN THINGS, HAVE IMPROVED. IN MANY RESPECTS, YOUR DECISION AS YOU GO THROUGH, THE COMPETENCE, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, BASED ON FACTS, YOU KNOW IT'S BEEN REVIEWED BY THE D.O.T. AS WELL AS THE CITY STAFF AND GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. WE'RE PROVIDING WHAT WE BELIEVE HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY PLANNERS AND ENGINEERS AND ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENTISTS AND OTHERS. IT'S BEEN THROUGH A PROCESS OF VETTING IT. PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PROJECT, 50 UNITS ON THE BACK PIECE. THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN UP AND THERE TODAY. IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE AND WE KNOW THAT. THERE'S CITY VACANT. WHEN IT'S CORRECTLY ZONED, YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL RIGHT IS THERE FOR SOMEBODY TO DEVELOP IT UNDER THAT MANNER. IF IT WERE LEGALLY ZONED AS AGRICULTURE, THEN IT COULD BE USED FOR AG. THE AREA HAS BEEN ZONED FOR MANY YEARS, AS A COMMERCIAL STRIP ON THE FRONT. MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS BEHIND THAT. WE'RE BRINGING IT DOWN TO A LOWER INTENSITY THAN WHAT WAS PEFLY SHOWN. >> TO REEMPHASIZE, NO NEW DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED TO ADVERSELY EFFECT THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT, IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE AND STORM WATER. THAT'S PLANNED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT, IT DOESN'T ADVERSELY AFFECT THE SURROUNDING AREAS. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, WE AS THE CITY ENJOY, NOT ONLY THE TAX BASE BUT AS WE SAY, GROWTH PAYS FOR ITSELF. WHEN SOMEBODY COMES TO DEVELOP, THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE THE EXCESS BURDEN ON THE RESIDENTS AROUND, WHEN THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE, THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE IMPACTS, WHETHER IT'S TRAFFIC IMPACTS OR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS IN FACT, WHEN THEY CUT DOWN A TREE, WE WILL GO THROUGH A REPORT AND KNOCK IT NEXT DOOR. GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE A MILLION DOLLAR PAYMENT THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE, JUST FOR TREE CLEARING. THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE REAL ESTATE NUMBER, BASED ON ESTIMATES, WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WHEN WE START CLEARING THE LAND. >> WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE TREES. >> WE HAVE TO REPLACE THE TREES. >> AND WE HAVE TO -- TO REPLACE. IT'S A MASSIVE PROCESS. IT'S AN EXPENSE FOR, FOR THE DEVELOPER. >> IT'S A PROCESS FOR ENGINEERING, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH THE D.O.T. AND ROADWAYS. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT. ANY OTHER THINGS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANY OTHER THINGS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION. . >> JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON ITEMS SPECIFICALLY, I WROTE IT DOWN, 8, 14, 15. FROM STAFF OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL TONIGHT AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT RECREATING THE WHEEL. AS FAR AS UNITY AND CREATING OF TITLES. WE DON'T DO IT VERY OFTEN IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THERE'S NOT A UNITY OF TITLE. THE TESTIMONY HEARD, IS ABOUT COMING IN WITH MULTIPLE SITE PLANS OR SOME SITE PLANS AS THE COMMISSIONER. >> ISSUE OF TITLE. >> I FEEL LIKE THE LEGAL LANGUAGE COULD BE ACCOMPLISHED DO WE NEED TO TALK TO STAFF. ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT OPPORTUNITY THERE? >> I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE ORGANIZATION AS SUCH. WE DON'T, WE SEED WITH CITY. WE'RE NOT TO BE THAT WAY. THERE'S A WAY TO DOING THIS. . >> TO MADAM ATTORNEY, MS. EARLY, YOU'RE IN POSITION, WHERE WE CHANGE THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF UNITY OF TITLE. HOW DO WE ADDRESS, AS PRESENTED AND TESTIFIED TONIGHT? >> COMMISSIONER, THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT, NO MATTER WHAT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE AN AMENDED ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE PARCELS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE APPROVING A PLANNED ENVIRONMENT, WITH A CONSENSUAL SITE PLAN YOU HAVE 15 REQUIREMENTS INCLUDED IN EXHIBIT D IN EVERY SINGLE ONE, ALMOST EVERY SINGLE [03:10:04] ONE, REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO DO SOMETHING ELSE BEFORE THEY COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY BETTER NOT TO PREJUDGE ANYTHING TO APPROVE THE LANGUAGE THE WAY IT IS AND IF IT'S NECESSARY, TO AMEND IT IN THE FUTURE. WE CAN ADDRESS THAT. IN MY BRIEF EXPERIENCE, I TYPICALLY SCENE A REQUIREMENT FOR TITLE. AND I DID LOOK AT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING ORDINANCE IN PARTICULAR AND IT REFERS TO -- IT REFERS TO UNITY IN TERMS OF THE APPLICANT AND THE APPLICATION THAT IS SUBMITTED. AND THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SUBMITTING AN APPLICATION, NOT NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVING -- I'M LOOKING FOR THE LANGUAGE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CODE WHERE IT SAYS, APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS, UNIFIED CONTROL AND PROPERTY OWNERSHIP, INTENDED TO UNDER THE LEGAL CONTROL OF THE APPLICANT. WHETHER THE APPLICANT BE AN INDIVIDUAL, PARTNERSHIP, OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, PARTNERSHIPS AND CORPORATIONS. I THINK IF YOU HAVE A STATEMENT, FROM THE OTHER PARTIES RELATED, I THINK YOU'RE OKAY. THAT'S A LONG WAY OF SAYING, I THINK LANGUAGE. >> BASED ON WHAT YOU READ. AND BASED ON THE WORD UNITY OF TITLE, AS IT RELATES TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IN THE CODE. >> THANK YOU. >> MADAM MAYOR, REAL QUICK. JUST SO THE PUBLIC IN THE AUDIENCE AND THE PUBLIC THAT ARE LISTENING TO US ON TV, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A QUAZI JUDICIAL HEARING AND WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE EVIDENCE SUBMITTED. NOT OPINIONS, NOT, YOU KNOW, HYPOTHETICAL, WHAT COULD HAPPEN BUT BY THIS BEING A HEARING, WE ARE TITLED, WE ARE FORCED TO APPLY THE EVIDENCE AND THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY RAISED THEIR HANDS, APPLY THE EVIDENCE. I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT, EVEN IF THE PUBLIC CAME UP AND SAID SOMETHING, UNLESS THEY PRESENTED SOME TYPE OF WRITTEN AND, YOU KNOW, APPROVED EVIDENCE, WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR WHAT WE HAVE, BASED OUR VOTE ON THE EVIDENCE. SO I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW, HOWEVER, LAST THING I SAID, WE CAN MOVE ON, IF YOU DIDN'T HEAR PERMISSION JEREMIAH JOHNSON, NOTICE HAS BEEN GIVEN. TONIGHT IS NOTICE. HE SAID IT. IT'S CLEAR AS POSSIBLE. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP, NOTICE HAS BEGIN, TO THE PERSON WHO SAID, SHE WAS LATE TO THE PARTY. YOU WERE FASHIONABLY LATE TO THE PARTY. NOTICE HAS BEEN GIVEN AND NOW YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. . >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SEVERAL MORE PARTIES. >> SEVERAL MORE PARTIES. >> SEVERAL MORE PARTIES. >> INCLUDING PLANNING BOARD. >> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> INCLUDING THE PLANNING BOARD. THAT'S CORRECT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DO I HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION? >> MADAM MAYOR, I WILL MOVE TO THE APPROVAL ORDINANCE 23-011 WITH THE 15 CONDITIONS THAT ARE ALIGNED WITH IT. >> IS THERE A SECOND. >> I'LL SECOND. CLARIFICATION, IF THERE'S A MODIFICATION, YOU'RE GOING TO POTENTIALLY, MODIFICATION, YOU'RE DELINEATING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF STAFF AND CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONS, NEED TO COME BACK HERE? OR HANDLED IT AT THE STAFF? >> I THOUGHT IT COME BACK AUTOMATICALLY, IF YOU CHANGE THE CONDITIONS. THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE STAFF. THE 15 CONDITIONS, CAME, WITH RECOMMENDATIONS. IF THEY DIDN'T GET IT RIGHT, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH US. >> THERE'S THREE OF THEM, THEY [03:15:03] SAID, ARE IN DISCUSSION. >> AND THISSER WORKING WITHOUT WITH THE APPLICANT. I'M GOING WITH WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDED, 15 CONDITIONS THAT MUST BE MET. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> THANK YOU FOR -- SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT. I THINK YOU'RE SATISFIED WITH THE ANSWER, COMMISSIONER. AT THIS POINT, THIS IS THE FIRST READING. THE MOTION WAS TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN. AND IF THERE'S ANY, I DON'T SEE -- IF THERE'S ANY CHANGE, IT WILL COME BACK AT YOU AT SECOND READING. WE WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO DECIDE AT THAT POINT. >> ARE WE READY TO VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES FRJS YES. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON? [g. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-012 review and approval of a Future Land Use Map Amendment of five (5) parcels of land to change the future land use designations from St. Lucie County designations of Residential Urban (RU) and Commercial (COM) to City designations of High Density Residential (RH) (+/- 80.3 Acres) and General Commercial (CG) (+/- 4.5 Acres).- West Orange located at Orange Avenue and N. Jenkins Road (5 parcels.) Parcel ID's: 2407-241-0001-000-3, 2407-231-0000-000-5, 2407-212-0001-000-3, 2407-221-0001-000-1 and 2407-211-0001-000-0. FIRST READING] >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND J. JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES. >>ND AN ORDINANCE 23-312, IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND RESPECTIVE PROPERTY, GENERALLY, LOCATED IN THE SOUTH CORNER, IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, BEING APPROXIMATELY MORE OR LESS, 84.8 ACRES. AMENDING THE FUTURE DESIGNATION OF 80.3 ACRES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM ST. LUCIE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL, OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF APPROXIMATELY 4.# DESIGNATION TO THE CITY OF CITY FORT PIERCE, AS DESCRIBED WITHIN THE ATTACHED LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, PROVIDING FOR -- THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> MR. FRIEDMAN. . >> CHANGE FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY DESIGNATIONS OF RESIDENTIAL URBAN, COMMERCIAL AND TO CITY COMMERCIALS HIGH DENSITY AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL. AND APPLICANT, IS. >> AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ALSO IN BEAR COUNTY. . >> AND EVENTUALLY, 80.3 ACRES AND THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL OF 4.5 ACRES. AND THAT PROPORTION ARE SHOWING ON THE DISPLAY. AND IF IT CHANGES FROM THE COUNTY, TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE'RE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL INCREASE OF OVER 1,000 UNITS. IT TRANSLATES INTO A DAILY TRAFFIC COUNT REDUCTION OF OVER [03:20:05] 7,000 TRIPS AT THE HOUR. AND MAXIMUM IS DAILY, PEAK HOUR, IN THE MORNING, REDUCTION AND LOT OF PEAK HOURLY HOUR REDUCTION. A. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> SOMEONE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE APPLICANT, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> MADAM MAYOR FOR THE RECORD. ED TO ARNOLD FOR RED TAIL. SIMILAR WHAT WE HAVE LAST TIME, WE WILL BE BRIEF AS WE GOED TO REZONING. MR. FRIEDMAN AND STAFF MENTIONED, THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IT'S SET UP TODAY. WILL USE THE MOUSE IN HERE, WITH THE CURRENT, THIS IS THE PROPERTY HERE. THIS GIVES YOU A VIEW OF WHAT THE PROPERTY LOOKS LIKE TODAY. YOU COULD SEE SOME OF THE EXISTING PIECES THAT ARE LEFT ACTUALLY, HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE, OF A LONG BOWLING ALLEY. THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO HAVE SOME EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY THERE. WE ARE TAKING THIS ENTIRE BACK AREA, THAT'S PROPOSED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT PERSP PERSPECTIVES. 80.79 ACRES, THE AREA YOU SEE HERE IN PINK. THIS SHOWS YOU, AGAIN, THE PROPERTY THAT'S LOCATED HERE INSIDE THE COUNTY. MAIN FACILITY IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE AREA. THIS HAS A COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION, COULD BE DEVELOPED FOR COMMERCIAL. THEY HAVE THEIR RESIDENTIAL DESIGNATION, BACK BEHIND IT. WE ARE COMING OVER AND GOING WITH, AGAIN, THE SIMILAR PROPOSAL. WE'RE REDUCING THE SIMILAR PROPOSAL AND GOING WITH A RESIDENTIAL CATEGORY ABOVE THAT. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. MALLORY. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD? >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. MS. COX WILL GIVE YOU A WARNING. >> BRENDA CAMPBELL I'M OWNER. 341 PROPERLY. AND I BELIEVE, WHEN THEY WERE SHOWING, THE TWO PIECES, TWO FIVE ACRE PARCELS RIGHT THERE I'M THE FIRST ONE, WHEN NEIGHBORS ARE HERE, 4914. HAVING SAID THAT, YOU RECEIVED THE LETTER ON FEBRUARY 3RD, FRIDAY. THAT'S NOT SUFFICIENT NOTIFICATION FOR OUR PEOPLE TO RECEIVE SOMETHING, THAT MAY NEED TO KNOW ABOUT. I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE. THERE'S OTHER NEIGHBORS, THAT SAID THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING. THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. THAT'S THE STORY I'M SAYING, THIS IS NOT WORKING. AND I'M HOPING WE WILL DO SOMETHING TO CORRECT THAT. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT, WHERE I'M LIVING AND I KNOW THERE'S A CANAL IN FRONT OF ME. SOMETHING CAME UP WHEN HE WAS P. WHAT I'M HEARING, TO BACK UP WHAT I'M SAYING IS TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC, TRAFFIC. THAT'S GOING TO BE MY TOPIC. BUT TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF 39TH, TO ORANGE AVENUE, TRAFFIC COMING OFF OF HARTMAN TO ORANGE AVENUE. TRAFFIC COMING FROM ALL THIS MULTI-HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, PULLING OUT INTO ORANGE AVENUE. IT'S LIKE A THREE TRI-FECTA. [03:25:08] AND MIME REAL CONCERN, AFTER LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION, HE PRETTY MUCH BACKED WHAT I WANTED TO SAY, EVEN MORE THAN I KNEW. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS. WILL FEEL LIKE I'M IN A BOWL OR SOMETHING. I DON'T EVEN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT HIGH DENSITY COMMERCIAL RESIDENTIAL MEANS. TO ME, THAT MEANS LOTS WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT RUNS IN MY HOUSE, THAT GOES TO OAK CHOE WHAT. AND OWN AND OPERATED BY FLOOD CONTROL. THEY DON'T HAVE A CONTROL OVER FLOODING. I COULD TELL YOU, THAT IF I HAD I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT, UNTIL IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN THE MEETING. ASK THOSE PEOPLE IN THE ROAD. FLOOD CONTROL DOESN'T HAVE CONTROL OF WATER. . >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. >> ALL RIGHT. YES. >>. >> I LIVE ON 2914 ORANGE AVENUE. I'M TRYING TO BE REALLY QUICK. >> PRESENTED TONIGHT. >> YES. >> AND BASICALLY, I BUY THE PROPERTY. AND I'M FIGHTING WITH THE COUNTY. AND THEY WERE TRYING TO GET ME ON THE BUILDING, TO TEAR DOWN MY BUILDINGS, BECAUSE IT CHANGED TO RESIDENTIAL. I'M STILL FIGHTING WITH THEM. I'M STILL HAVING ALL THESE PROBLEMS, TRYING TO SOLVE THAT. NOW YOU HAVE TO FIND THE CITY LIMIT. WHAT'S GOING TO PROTECT MY KIDS, MY WIFE. I EVEN GOT SICK BECAUSE I GOT THROUGH THE PROBLEMS WITH THE COUNTY, TRYING TO TELL ME, MY POLE BAR, GARAGES SUPPOSEDLY, THE GARAGES, THEY CANNOT BE ON THE RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, IF ALL OF THE CITY. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE BUILDINGS. MOSTLY RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY THING THAT WILL PROTECT THE BUILDINGS, IS WHEN THEY APPLY FOR COMMERCIAL. I TRY TO APPLY FOR COMMERCIAL. THE PLANNING DON'T EVEN ACCEPT ME. THE ONLY THING THAT PROTECTS ME FROM EVERYTHING YOU WILL DO, IS IF YOU CHANGE IT TO COMMERCIAL. YOU COULD SEE THE PLANS, WILL PROTECT MYSELF. ALREADY HAPPENED TO ME ONCE. FROM AGRICULTURE TO RESIDENTIAL. FROM RESIDENTIAL TO CITY LIMITS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. . >> ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE. >> OH, HI, HE'S MY HUSBAND. >> AND WHAT'S YOUR NAME. >> YOU WANT HER TO SPELL IT. >> A-A-R-I-S-I-Y-A-Z-A-T-A-. . >>ND A THE NEIGHBORS, TRAFFIC, AND THEY HAVE ROAD, COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE MUCH AND WILL GO BACK, COMING FROM INSIDE, YOU HAVE TO DO LIKE A U-TURN. IT'S REALLY PACKED AND THE TRAFFIC IS BAD. AND PLUS, THEY HAVE BUILT A LOT OF HOUSES IN THE OTHER SIDE. [03:30:02] THEY HAVE NOT FINISHED THE ROAD. ONCE THEY FINISHED, THE ROAD RIGHT THERE, WILL BE SO TRAFFIC, THAT IT WILL BE HARD TO DO A U-TURN AND WAIT FOR YOU TO REALLY GO AND GO BACK INTO, FORT PIERCE TOWN. NOESH THING THE FLOODING. AND BUILDING THE HOMES, IT'S LIKE A LOT OF HOMES RIGHT THERE. WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO OUR PROPERTY AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO BE SAFE GETTING THROUGHOUT THROUGH THE HOUSE AROUND, AND IN THE MIDDLE AS YOU COULD SEE. AND OUR PRIVACY, MOST OF THE HOUSES IS A TWO-STORY HOUSE. THE TWO STORY HOUSES AROUND ME. AND NOT EVEN PRIVACY TO MY PROPERTY AS WELL. LIKE HE SAYS, THEY HAVE LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL AND ALL OF THAT STUFF AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE NEEDS, IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE, WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO MY HOUSE. AND IN THE FUTURE, WE BOUGHT THE HOME BECAUSE IT'S -- AND THERE'S HOUSES AROUND US AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IS A BIG CHANGE TO US. IT'S NOT -- YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A HOUSE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOUSAND OF HOUSES AROUND US AND SO MUCH TRAFFIC IN AND OUT. IT'S A TOUGH DECISION. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE, WISHING TO ADDRESS US. ANYONE ELSE? YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS? >> THANK YOU, TODD MALLORY FOR THE RECORD. I PLUG PEOPLE, WHEN WE GET UP TO SPEAK. I KNOW IT'S TOUGH. YOU FEEL NERVOUS, ALL OF THAT, THE DECISION AREA, THAT TRULY IS SET FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. IN FACT, 2007, ALL THE PROPERTY EFFECT, FOR A SECOND, THE F-SHAPED PIECE. ALL OF THIS PROPERTY, WRAPS AROUND THE -- AND ALL OF THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE ENTIRE MULTI-FAMILY PROJECT, CALLED BAY BERRY AND THEY WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND THE MARKET CRASHED AND THE PROJECT NEVER MOVED FORWARD. IT WAS JUST IN THIS AREA. IT INCOME PASSED IN HERE, CAME AROUND. IT HAD 4-6 UNIT BUILDINGS, TWO STORIES THAT WERE ALL PUT IN. IT'S A MIXTURE OF THAT. IT WAS SOMETHING, AND THERE WAS AN APPLICATION, WITH MILLER'S PIECE. THAT'S NEVER BEEN A PART OF THE PREVIOUS PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT. AND TODAY, IT LOOKS LIKE AGRICULTURAL LAND. A DESIGNATION WAS PLACED, AT SOME POINT, WE SEE THIS BECOMING RESIDENTIAL. THAT WAS THERE AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AS YOU KNOW, DECIDE, AS YOU DECIDE, WHERE TO PUT COMMERCIAL DESIGNATIONS AND INDUSTRIAL AND WHATEVER. AND WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING DIFFERENT ON WHAT'S BEEN IN THERE IN PLACE. AND WE'RE COMING IN WITH SOMETHING THAT'S LESS THAN WHAT WAS THERE. WITH THAT, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS >> THANK YOU. >> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. AND FOR DISCUSSION FOR A MOTION. >> >> I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR. THESE TWO PROPERTIES, THESE PROPERS ARE STILL IN THE COUNTY, CORRECT? >> YES. >> THEY ARE COUNTY PROPERTY. ANYTHING WE VOTE ON TONIGHT. THEY ARE NOT BROUGHT IN THE CITY. ANYTHING, ANY LAND CHANGES, OR ANYTHING, DEALING WITH THOSE TWO PIECES OF PROPERTY, ARE -- WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL, BECAUSE WE'RE COUNTY PROPERTIES. I WANT TO MAKE MYSELF CLEAR. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION >> I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT, THAT THE DENSITY THING. THEY KEEP COMING BACK TO THIS, IS THAT, THE DEVELOPMENTS, ARE PUT IN PLACE, IN 2006-2007. IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THE CITY, TO ACCEPT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF MUCH [03:35:02] SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER DENSITY LEVEL. SO AS DIFFICULT A SCENARIO AS THE NEIGHBORS, IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS, IF YOU WILL LOOK AT -- >> WHAT COULD BE THERE. >> PRECISELY. >>ND AS MUCH AS A DIFFICULT PILL TO SWALLOW, I SHARE THEIR CONCERNS. AS COMMISSIONER GAINS, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE PROTECTED. HE ANSWERED THAT QUESTION, BECAUSE HE AFFORDED THE PROTECTIONS FROM THE COUNTY. IF LIGHT OF THE FACT, IN 2007, THE DENSITY FACTOR WAS THIS. THEY ARE COMING OF DENSITY FACTOR OF THIS. I THINK IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THE CITY TO DO THIS WAY. >> JUST ANOTHER COMMENT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING AND WAY THE COUNTY WAS, YOU KNOW, HAD PROPOSED IN THEIR ZONING MAPS, OF WHAT THEY SAW, THE CORRIDOR, IT WAS MORE COMMERCIAL, IN NATURE, RATHER THAN THE RESIDENTIAL MIX, MIX, THAT'S RIGHT. OVERALL, THE COUNTY HAS BEEN PLANNING AND TALKING ABOUT JENKINS ROAD CORRIDOR FOR A LONG TIME, INCLUDING THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE HAVE NOT BEEN ACTIVELY ENGAGED IN THE CORRIDOR, UNTIL THE LAST 5-7 YEARS. THE JENKINS ROAD IS GOING TO BE ACTIVATED AND WHAT YOU MEAN BY ACTIVATED, IT WILL BE ACTIVATED BY PROBABLY SOME PLANNED PERSPECTIVES OF FOUR LANE-TYPE CONNECTERS UP TO THE AIRPORT. ALL THE WAY TO THE MIDWAY. AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ASPECTS OF GROWING PAINS, JUST LIKE 21ST STREET AND 33RD THROUGH THE CITY. HOW THEY HAD TO GROW AND CHANGE, GROW, MEANING IRVING CORRIDOR TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WHICH IS WHAT IS TYPICALLY KNOWN AS THE OUT WEST. 21ST STREET, BRING DIRT BACK IN THE DAY AND IN A DITCH. THAT'S RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. AND HERE, WE TALK ABOUT EVEN IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING, HOW WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, STRATEGICALLY GROW OUR CITY TO THE RESTAURANT CORRIDOR, USING THE THOROUGHFARES OF THE ROAD AND ORANGE AVENUE. IT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT FOLKS ARE USED TO. IT'S HERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN AND STRATEGICALLY PLANNING THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PARCELS. TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT, AND WHICH IS REALLY BEEN DRIVEN NOT ONLY THE APPLICANT BUT THE STAFF AND THE COMMISSION. IT'S TOUGH, GROWING PAINS ARE HARD. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. THERE'S GROWING PAINS, I HEARD, THE DRAINAGE EFFECTS AND TRYING TO PARTNER WITH THE WATER CONTROL DISTRICTS AND MAKING SURE WE'RE PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. . >> AND TO MAKE A COMMENT, WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING AND SEEING HERE, IS, AND I'VE HEARD THE RESIDENTS SPEAK OF THIS HERE. LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS PROPERTIY OWNED BY SOMEONE THEIR ABILITY RIGHT NOW TO HAVE A LARGER IMPACT ON THE AREA AND THEY ARE CHANGING THE ZONE, ACTUALLY DOWNSIZING IT SOMEWHAT. I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, WE ARE TALKING WITH THE RESIDENTS. THIS IS CHANGE. THIS IS DIFFERENT. NO MORE, THAN WHAT I COULD TO YOUR PROPERTY. THESE ARE HAVING THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. AND THE DENSITY AND FOOTPRINT, I CERTAINLY HEAR AND UNDERSTAND CONCERNS THERE. MUCH LIKE WHAT WE SPOKE TO EARLIER, THIS IS JUST CHANGING THE ACTUAL USE OF IT. AS FAR AS ANY DESIGN, HOW PEOPLE WILL FILL, INAND OUT TRAFFIC, ALL OF IT, HAS TO GO THROUGH A RIGOROUS PROCESS. WE WILL INVITE YOU TO BE PART OF THAT AND WEIGHING IN ON THAT. THAT'S JUST DEFINITELY TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. EVEN THOUGH YOU HEARD, THE SITE PLAN AND ALL OF THAT. THAT'S THE PROCESS, THEY WILL GO THROUGH, TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ON HOW TALL BUILDINGS WILL BE OR HOUSES OR STRUCTURES WILL BE, THE TRAFFIC FLOWS, HOW THEY DEAL WITH THE WATER, THAT WILL COME OFF THIS DEVELOPMENT AND ASSURANCE, YOUR RIGHTS ARE [03:40:02] PROTECTED AS PROPERTY OWNERS. THE WATER, THAT'S ON THIS DEVELOPMENT, DOESN'T, WILL COME TO YOUR PROPERTY. THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. THAT'S ALSO CERTIFIED AND WILL BE DEALT WITH. AND WHAT'S HAPPENING, THEY ARE DOWNSIZING WHAT COULD BE BUILT INTO SOMETHING, THAT'S LESS INTRUSIVE AS FAR AS BUILDINGS AND THINGS THAT COULD BE THERE AND IT'S WITH THE SAME LIGHT, THIS PROPERTY OWNERS, HAVE A RIGHT TO DEVELOP, BASED ON SOME OF THE THINGS. AS WE GET INTO THE HEARINGS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, I WANT TO ASSURE THAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE HEARD AND IN TRAFFIC AND ALL THOSE THINGS, WE WILL TAKE VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY AS TO HOW, WE THINK ABOUT THAT IN WHAT THE PLANS ARE AND EVERYONE IS PROTECTED INCLUDING THE TWO UNITS IN THAT PARTICULAR POINT I ALSO HEARD, AND WE ELUDE TO THIS, RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN THE COUNTY. YOU WILL NOT ANNEX TO THE CITY, UNLESS YOU WOULD LOVE TO COME IN THE CITY, WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU. YOU WILL STILL REMAIN AS THE COUNTY AND YOUR PROPERTY IS ZONED BASED ON HOW THE COUNTY HAS YOU ZONED RIGHT NOW. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S HEARD REAL LOUD AND REAL CLEAR. >> MADAM, AND I'LL BE DONE. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I UNDERSTAND. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LAND USE. PROPERTY OWNER HAS A RIGHT TO REQUEST A CHANGE OF VALUES I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M SITTING HERE AND I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED THAT, IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME, AFTER THIS, HOW WE VOTE ON THIS, GOING FORWARD, I WILL REALLY NEED TO SEE SOME. >> TRAFFIC STUDIES. I NEED TO SEE TRAFFIC STUDIES, BECAUSE, I DON'T SEE HOW -- I DON'T SEE HOW, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. MAYBE IT'S JUST ME. . >> I'M LETTING THE PLANNER KNOW, LETTING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT KNOW. BECAUSE, THERE'S JUST A DIFFERENT PART OF THE AVENUE, THAT EASES INTO ANOTHER PART OF ORANGE AVENUE, THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC, WE'RE PUTTING IN THE AREA. I ALSO UNDERSTAND PROPERTY RIGHTS. AND DEVELOPERS, I GET THAT. I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED RIGHT NOW, CONCERNED RIGHT NOW, WITH TRAFFIC. THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE GOING FORWARD. ORANGE AVENUE AND JENKINS, THERE'S SCHOOLS OUT THERE. I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE TRAFFIC, THAT WERE PUTTING. I KNOW, I HEAR EVERYBODY. WE KNOW IT'S COMING. IT'S HERE. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. WE ARE UP HERE NOW. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. AND WE ALSO KNOW, THAT WE HAVE A DUTY TO, WE HAVE A DUTY TO DEAL WITH THIS TRAFFIC. AND THE LAST THING I WILL SAY, IS AGAIN, WE GOT TO FIX THE NOTICE ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW HOW. WE HAVE TO FIX THE NOTICE ISSUE. >> I THINK WE'RE ALL VERY, VERY WELL AWARE OF THAT. I DID WANT TO SAY, ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT ORANGE AVENUE, IT WAS NOT ALL POPULATED. LOOK AT OKEECHOBEE ROAD. IT HAS NOT BEEN ALL POPULATED. WHAT HAPPENED, THE GROWTH HAS COME TO ORANGE AVENUE. WE HAVE WANTED TO HAVE AN IMPROVED LOOK ON ORANGE AVENUE. WE WANTED TO IMPROVE THE ENTRANCE TO FORT PIERCE ON [03:45:07] ORANGE AVENUE. I THINK ONE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUES IS THAT, THIS IS A STATE ROAD; RIGHT? STATE ROAD; RIGHT? ORANGE ROAD, YEP. THE TRAFFIC ISSUES HAS TO BE DEALT WITH, BY D.O. TVM AS WELL AS US. IS THAT CORRECT? NOTHING HAPPENS IN THE DEVELOPMENTS, WITHOUT D.O.T. HAVING A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND ALSO. AND ALL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT, TO TELL US, WHAT ISSUES THERE ARE. SO WE'VE BUILT A LOT OF SAFEGUARDS IN, I BELIEVE. BUT I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH TONIGHT, IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, WHICH IS GROWTH IN FORT PIERCE IS MOVING WEST. AND THE WESTERN CORRIDOR IS BECOMING ALMOST A TOWN OF ITSELF. . >> NEXT ONE IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THIS ONE. WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INTENSITIES OF DEVELOPMENT, BASED ON ANALYSIS PERFORMED HERE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK, IF YOU HAVE MORE COMMERCIAL, YOU WILL HAVE MORE INTENSE TRAFFIC ISSUES. YOU HAVE FOLKS COMING TO AND FROM ON A VERY ROUTINE BASIS THROUGHOUT A DAY. WHEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL, YOU'RE COMING AT THE END OF WORKDAY. THAT'S JUST THE WAY, THAT'S THE WAY WE DO IT IN FORT PIERCE IN AMERICA. THAT'S THE WAY WE DO IT. THAT'S THE REAL FACT. FROM THE STUDIES, I SAID IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION, I SAID IT EARLIER. THE COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON. AND WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT, WE WORK WITH THE D.O.T. PARTNERS. I AM NOT -- GOING TO SUBMIT ANYTHING EXCEPT PLANNING SEEDS, WE GET A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT IT. JENKINS ROAD IS GOING TO BE AN INTRICAL PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL UP FRONT. THEY SHOWED THAT TONIGHT. THEY SHOWED IT, PUT A MAP, THAT'S GOT RED IN THE ORANGE AVENUE SIDE. D.O.T. HAS PLANNED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, FOR A FOUR LANE, TWO EAST, TWO WEST, HIGHWAY, TO CONNECT THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR ON WHERE WE'RE SEEING TODAY, RIGHT HERE IN THE CHAMBERS TO I-95. >> RIGHT UP THERE. . >> THAT ROAD USED TO BE A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY FOR MANY YEARS. TWO LANES NORTHBOUND, TWO LANES SOUTHBOUND. D.O.T. HAS CONSIDERED THIS, ON ORANGE AVENUE, TO GO TO A FOUR LANE HIGHWAY BASICALLY, A STATE ROAD 68 IN LIEU OF WAITING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN. THEY'VE ALREADY SET UP FOR SUCCESS AND MANAGING TRAFFIC, CONNECTING OUR DOWNTOWN INTO THE INTERSTATE SYSTEMS WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANS. IT'S COMPLICATED TRAFFIC. IT'S COMPLICATED TALKING ABOUT THE INNER CONNECTIVITY TO A CITY, FROM URBAN ENVIRONMENT TO A RURAL ENVIRONMENT. I APPLAUD OUR PARTNERS AT THE STATE, FOR HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOME FORESITE IN LOOKING AT THE STATE ROAD AND TRYING TO HELP US, WITH CONNECTING OUR DOWNTOWN, OUR URBAN CORE TO THE WESTERN PART OF THE CITY. THAT'S WHERE I SEE. JENKINS ROAD IS GOING TO EXPAND. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY THERE. THE DESIGN AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW, WHEN WE HEAR AND SEE THE NUMBERS COMMISSION, WE SEE THE NUMBERS, BASED ON WHAT I SEE HERE AND THE PRELIMINARY VERSION AND WHAT WE WILL SEE LATER, THE CAPACITY OF THE ROADWAY, WHILE AN INCONVENIENCE, WILL CHANGE THE DAILY ACTIVITIES A SMIDGE, IS STILL MANAGING THE TRAFFIC IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY. I BELIEVE THAT, WHEN WE SEE THE DATA COMING TO US LATER. FINISH NOW, WITH THE TRAFFIC TALK. [03:50:03] >> I'M READY FOR A MOTION. >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SECOND >> I'M SECOND. >> ARE WE READY TO VOTE. LET'S VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> TONIGHT, YES. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. [h. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Ordinance 23-013 Review and approval of an application for a Zoning Atlas Map Amendment of five (5) parcels of land to change the zoning classification from St. Lucie County RS-2 and Commercial General to City classification of Planned Development, generally located north of Orange Avenue and east of N Jenkins Road. Parcel IDs: 2407-241-0001-000-3, 2407-231-0000-000-5, 2407-212-0001-000-3, 2407-221-0001-000-1 and 2407-211-0001-000-0. FIRST READING] >> COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES. >>ND A THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AMENDING THE CITY ZONING ATLAS AND ESTABLISHING A ZONING DESIGNATION OF FIVE PARCELS, THAT CONTAIN APPROXIMATELY 80.4 ACRES AND GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH JENKINS AND JOHNSON ROAD, AND PROVIDING FOR AVAILABLITY CLAUSE AD PARTS, IN CONFLICT, AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE NOT MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS. >> WE HAVE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ITEM. >> WOULD YOU ASK FOR EX-PARTY COMMUNICATIONS. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> HE LEFT. >> COME BACK TO HIM. >>ND A COMMISSIONER GAINES >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON? >> I SPOKE TO THE APPLICANT AND CITY RESIDENTS AND COUNTY RESIDENTS. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO. >> AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR THE WITNESSES >> YEAH. >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANY ONE IN THE AUDIENCE PLAN TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM? DO YOU SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> I DO. >> PROCEED. >> THANK YOU MADAM. AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT FOR DEVELOPMENT NAMED WEST ORANGE, 5 PARCELS. ZONING SPECIFICATION, COUNTY RS2, AND COMMERCIAL GENERAL AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO MOVE INTO A CITY ZONE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. AND DESIGN GROUP PRESENTED BY TODD MALLORY. THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BOTH SIGNED UP ON THIS AND WE HAVE FIVE PARCELS. ANNEXATION, WHICH WAS APPROVED, REQUEST FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL DECEMBER 12TH, 2022, PLANNING BOARD. SITE LOCATION, JENKINS ROAD AND FLOYD JOHNSON ROAD. EXISTING ZONING AND AGAIN, ZONING THAT SURROUNDS THIS PROPERTY. AND RANGING FROM INDUSTRIAL TO INDUSTRIAL TO INSTITUTION, I THINK, TO COMMISSION GENERAL AND COMMISSION OFFICE. IT'S A PATCHWORK OF ZONING USES. THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING, IS PROPOSED, AT THE SITE, 84.8 ACRES AND WE HAVE A CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE CONCEPTIONIAL USES OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S ADOPTED AS ANY PART OF THE APPROVAL OF THE ORDNANCE. WE HAVE, AGAIN, 15, CONDITIONS OF DEVELOPMENT FOR THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING. WHICH IS DIVIDED BY ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. ZONING PLAN WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. THE CONDITIONS ARE THE WAY THROUGH. EARLIER RIFRMS, EXPECTED TO BE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE FINAL PLAN. [03:55:24] AGAIN, THAT'S TO INSURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT, AS MINIMUM IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. AND IT'S DESIGNED CORRECTLY TO ACCOMMODATE STONE WATER AND DRAINAGE SITUATIONS. AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT UNIFIED CONTROL AND PHASING AND GENERAL DESCRIPTION OF THE BOLDING, TREE SCAPES AND PARKING AREAS, WILL NEED TO BE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION AT A FINAL PD ZONING APPLICATION. MORE QUANTITY -- GAUNTIVE DATA, FOR THE DWELLING UNITS PROPOSED AGAIN. THIS IS INDICATED WITH, MUCH MORE DETAIL ON A FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN AGAIN REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION. AND INSURING THAT THE AGREEMENTS AND THE PROVISIONS, WHICH AND CONTINUE PROTECTION OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. FINAL SITE PLAN NEEDS TO INCLUDE ALL THE ELEMENTS, LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION, PROPOSED BUILDINGS. SIZE OF THE AREAS, TO BE CONVEYED, DEDICATED OR RESERVED STREETS, ET CETERA OR THE FACILITIES, PLAYGROUNDS. UTILITY SYSTEMS, SEWERS AND ELECTRICAL GAS AND THE BUFF EVERYING AGAIN, VERY IMPORTANT, AS WE REFERRED TODAY. IN TERMS OF INSURING THAT, NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AND APPROPRIATE METHODS ARE USED TO SCREEN THEIR ACTIVITIES. AND SOME GENERAL CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, IN TERMS OF THEIR DEVELOP ALLOWANCES. THERE'S CRITERIA THAT ARE SET, WHICH ARE BOTH CITY CODE, AND THERE'S ALSO CRITERIA THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE TABLE, WHICH, IF THAT COMES IN, WILL DEFLATE TO THE CITY'S MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. WE'RE TALKING IN RESPECT OF C3 ZONING WITHIN THE CITY. SO WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMEND APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED REZONING TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, NOTING THE 13 CONDITIONS, AND DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA OF BEING DRAFT ORDINANCE AND COMMISSION COULD APPROVE OR RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND DISAPPROVE. THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> BEFORE WE GO TO STAFF QUESTIONS, YOU WAUP TO ASK MR. BRODERICK OF EX-PARTY. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK HAVE YOU HAD ANY EX-PARTY ON THIS ITEM? >> YES. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE AND. >> YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES YOU TAKE ALL THE TIME YOU NEED UP TO 20. >> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. >> I'LL GIVE YOU 5. >> A SUGGESTION >> YOU PUSH IT, GOING TO 6. >> MAY HAVE TO ADJUST THE TIME A TAD. >> THAT'S IT. >> IT'S QUITE THE HINT. . >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR. . >> I WOULD LOVE TO BE QUICK AND I WILL DO MY BEST ON THIS, AGAIN. THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL. AS A RESULT WE WILL TO PROVIDE YOU A BURDEN OF PROVE, SUFFICIENT TIME, TO MAKE SURE THE ZONING IS APPROPRIATE SO YOU'RE ABLE TO BASE YOUR DECISION, COMPETENT EVIDENCE FOR ESCAPE. AS WE DO THAT, WE PROVIDE THE ASSESSMENTS, TRAFFIC REPORTS, [04:00:02] EVALUATED A LOT OF SITE CONDITIONS. IF FACT, EDC DID A VERY SIGNIFICANT DILIGENCE ON THE PARTICULAR SITE JUST TO REALLY EVALUATE A LOT OF ADDITIONAL THINGS FOR THIS, IN TERMS OF STORM WATER NAMES, WHAT'S AVAI AVAILABLE, WHAT'S IN PLACE, IN TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO IMPACTS. IS THERE SUFFICIENT WATER SUPPLY AVAILABLE. WHAT WILL THOSE BE. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED TO THE NORTHWEST AND THE LEFT. I WILL USE THE CURSOR ON THIS. IF THE CURSOR -- AND EVERYTHING TO THE REST AREA HERE, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD IS BEING COMPOSED IN THE MORE INDUSTRIAL STATE IN FACT, THEY HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED HERE AND AS WELL AS WHERE YOU CROSSOVER THE CANAL. THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE PAD HERE. A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IS BEING PROPOSED, NORTHWEST ALONG THE INTERSTATE. JENKINS ROAD WILL CONNECT TO ANGLE. THE PLANE YOU SEE, OF COURSE, QUITE A FEW YEARS AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THAT AND THAT'S IN PLACE. FOR THE PROJECT, WE HAVE BEEN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF LOOKING TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY WERE TO GO THROUGH THE DEVELOP AM. I MENTIONED THE EARLIER EXAMPLE WITH BAY BERRY AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED HERE. AGAIN, WE REVERT TO THE D.O.T. IN THE PROJECT TO LOOK AT THE ROADWAY CONDITIONS TO ORANGE AVENUE. WE TALKED TO THE COUNTY AS WELL ABOUT THE CONNECTION OVER TO JENKINS. WE CAME UP WITH DIFFERENT DESIGNS. AND THIS PROJECT HAS AN EXISTING CURVE CUT LOCATED IN THE 7TH END OF THE PROJECT. THAT'S WHAT WE CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN, THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST, HAS LEGAL ACCESS TO THE ROAD AND SO THAT WILL BE PART OF CONNECTIVITY, WILL OCCUR IF THINGS WILL HAPPEN. WE ASSUME THIS WILL BE A SMALLER COMMERCIAL CENTER, THAT HAS SEVERAL 3-4 BUILDINGS AND AS WITHLE POSSIBLY NOT BE ALLOWED RIGHT AND WILL GET A WRITE IN OR WRITEOUT INTO THAT. WE WILL CONTROL THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH ONE CENTRAL AREA. THE GOAL IS TO MINIMIZE IN BUSY ROADS SUCH AS ORANGE AVENUE. THE PROJECT WILL HAVE THE DRAINAGE, FULLY CONTAINED. THEY DISCUSS THE PROCESS BY WHAT THEY WILL GO THROUGH WITH THAT. AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT, IF WE MENTIONED WITH THOSE. THE AMOUNT OF STAFF REPORT, STAFF MATERIAL PROVIDED AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANTIAL MEETINGS, WITH STAFF, IN THE PAST YEAR AND A HALF. I THINK WE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THE MAJOR IMPORTANT ISSUES THE PROPERY IN THE NORTH, ONLY [04:05:01] BY NORTH ST. LUCIE WATER DISTRICT. THEY OWNED ACTUALLY ALL OF THAT. IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, MANAGEMENT, AND IT'S RANDOMLY USED FOR. AND ALL OF THIS IS OWNED BY THE WATER CONTROL DISTRICT, INCLUDING THE PARCEL GOING TO THE NORTH. WITH THAT, AND WITH THIS POINT, WE WILL PROVIDE ENOUGH OF THE BURDEN OF PROOF TO RECEIVE UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION. >> I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU EARLIER. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. >>ND AN I HAVE THE OWNER, HE WAS JUST GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF COMMENT. HE WAS ABLE TO MEET, BUT LARRY, BRI BRIEFLY. >> LARRY SETMAN, IN MIAMI. AND I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR, THANKING STAFF AND YOU OFFERED THE MEETING WITH US. WE ARE LISTENING. WE CAME, AND WE'RE TWO YEARS IN THE ASSEMBLY AND PROJECT. WE SAW A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR ORANGE AVENUE AND OPPORTUNITY FOR FORT PIERCE. WE'RE HAPPY TO BE IN THE 'FAMILY. FORT PIERCE FAMILY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND KNOW, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING SPECIAL. SOMETHING THAT WILL ACTIVATE ORANGE. THIS IS THE GATEWAY WE THINK MOVING THE INTENSE COMMERCIAL KNOWN TO JENKINS. THE SHOPPING CENTER, THE INDUSTRIAL DURING THE 17 ACRES IS A BETTER PLACE FOR THE INTENSE COMMERCIAL AND GROCERY. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT A MORE COMPREHENSIVE WAY SO EACH SUBDIVISION HAS SOME DETAIL. IT'S WALKABLE AND YOU HAVE SOME SERVICES THERE. FOR MAJOR GROCERY AND THAT SORT OF THINGS. WE'VE TAKEN A BIG COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING. WE SEE THE OPPORTUNITY YOU SEE AND HOPE YOU'RE GOOD SHEPHERDS OF THE LAND AND GOOD PARTNERS MOVING FORWARD. WE HEARD THE COMMENTS. WE KNOW THE ISSUES. TRAFFIC AND DRAINAGE. WE HAVE GOOD PROFESSIONALS, THAT WE, WE TRUST AND WE HEAR YOU. WE HEAR THE NEIGHBORS. WE'RE LOOK FORWARD WITH WORKING WITH YOU AND WE THANK YOU. >> AND SPECIAL PLACE. >> IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK, IT'S PART OF THE RULES. >> MY PARTNER, RICHARD SANCHEZ WAS A PROFESSIONAL HIGHLIGHT PLAYER. HE PLAYED 35 YEARS. >> KINGS HIGHWAY. >> KINGS HIGHWAY. >> SANCHEZ. >> SANCHEZ. >> DON'T MESS WITH SANCHEZ. ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. MAURIE. >> SINCE THIS IS UNIQUE IN NATURE, MR. MAURIE, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE POND THAT'S TO THE NORTH OF THE INDUSTRIAL PARCEL. IS THAT A STATE POND FOR THE ROADWAY PROJECT. YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR NEIGHBOR. I WANT TO DEAL WITH THE PARCELS. WE SHOWED UP AND WEN AWAY. >>ND AN I WANT TO GET A CORRECT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. . >> IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE PARCEL IN THE SOUTH OF THE D.O.T. POND SH THAT'S ZONED INDUSTRIAL. FROM WHAT I SAW, PRESENT PART OF THE PRESENTATION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES. I THINK IT SHOWED THE ACTUAL ZONING, RIGHT THERE. . >> TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE CANAL, WAS THAT ALSO INDUSTRIAL. [04:10:01] >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. BECAUSE, IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, AND IN YOUR REZONING, I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WHEN WE PLANNED OUR CITY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CONSISTENT USES AND WE DON'T CREATE NEW CHALLENGES WITHIN OUR CITY BECAUSE WE PUT HIGH INTENSITY IN THE INDUSTRIAL. >> IF YOU LOOK TO THE SHEET TO THE LEFT, YOU WILL SEE THE AREAS IN RED, THAT'S EXACTLY HOW IT'S ZONED IN THE COUNTY ZONING. THE COUNTY HAS THAT IN PLACE WITH THE COMMERCIAL GENERAL. WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH OUR APPLICATION, WITH THAT GOOD FAITH. WE'RE GOING WITH THAT. IN THE BUFFERS THAT'S IN PLACE, WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL WITH WHAT'S THERE WITH THE CANAL. THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WITH THE TWO PARCELS, THEY ACCESS THEIR PARCELS HERE OFF THE CANAL ROAD RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S ONE OF THE SCENARIOS, SIMILAR TO ST. LUCIE. IT'S NOT ACTUALLY OWNED WITH THE CITY OR COUNTY AS IT RELATES TO THE ROADWAY. . >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE'RE CLEAR ON THE RECORD. I DON'T WANT TO SEE IN 10-15 YEARS, WHERE WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES, WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE PARCELS IN THE CITY, AND FOLKS BEING CHALLENGED BY POTENTIAL AND INCOMPATIBLE USES. WHATEVER THE FACILITY TO THE SOUTH OR WHATEVER THE FACILITY IS TO THE EAST, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU'RE ADDRESSING, THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. AND COMMISSIONER, WHAT I WOULD SAY, WHEN I FIRST MET THE TWO INDIVIDUALS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT LANE ACTIVITIES. WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN CHANGING THE COUNTY. WE JUST RECEIVED FULL SITE APPROVAL, SOUTH OF SEGER ROAD, NORTH OF THE POWER LAPS IN U.S. 1. THAT'S NOW GOING INTO BECOMING A DEVELOPMENT WITH TWO COMMERCIAL PIECES IN THE FRONT AND RESIDENTIAL BEHIND IT. IT USED TO BE SET UP WITH ALL COMMERCIAL. TO THINK, YOU WOULD HAVE A BIG MASSIVE BOWLING ALLEY, ALONG THE COMMERCIAL PIECE, THAT CHANGED ALL OF THAT. I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND. TACKS WILL GO UP AND ALL THE STUFF. TRUST ME, WHEN YOU SEE WHAT THE CITY HAS IN PLACE AND THE DIRECTION THEY WANT TO GO IN, MYSELF, AS A FORMER CITY MANAGER, FORMER COUNTY COMMISSIONER, I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN THE BENEFITS OF CREATING THE BOUNDARY, HAVING THINGS IN PLACE, THAT WILL ALLOW, TO BETTER PROTECT AND PROVIDE TO YOUR RESIDENTS. THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT, FOR THE INDUSTRIAL PIECES THAT ARE THERE. MY CHALLENGE, AND WELCOME THEM HERE AND REMIND THEM OF CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDARDS AND OTHER THINGS, THAT WILL REMAIN AND BECOME GOOD NEIGHBORS FOR THE AREAS. THAT'S ALWAYS THE CASE FOR ANYTHING. WE'RE HAVING A TREMENDOUS NUMBER, PEOPLE GETTING HIT BY THE COUNTY'S CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS, WEST OF THE TURNPIKE. SO SOMETHING IS ON THERE, YOU NO, HE WHAT? WE MAY HAVE ALLOWED THINGS BEFORE. PEOPLE RANDOMLY STORING STUFF IN THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY CAN DO IT. SORRY, THE TIME HAS COME AND GONE. I RECEIVED FIVE DIFFERENT CALLS FROM PEOPLE, SIGNIFICANT PARCELS OF LAND. AND BOAT PROPERTY AND STIRRING ALL THE THINGS, ON JUST THE POPERTY. AND NOW THEY ARE GOING TO THE PROPERTY BEING LOO -- LOOKING AT THE ENFORCEMENT. HOW NOT TO HANDLE IT. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. THESE FOLKS, WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO, HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT. A LOT OF MONEY, AND THE LAF THING, THEY WILL DO SOMETHING, THAT WILL CAUSE A NEGATIVE IMPACT. >> LAST COMPONENT OF THE QUESTION. IN REGARDS TO ANY IDEAS, OR CONNECTIVITY AND CONVERSATIONS JENKINS ROAD. OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE TO CREATE SOME KIND OF ACCESS POINT, BECAUSE JENKINS ROAD GETS VERY NARROW AND SMALL WEST PORTION OF THE APPLICATION. AND I'M ASSUMING, WE WERE WORKING ON THE COUNTY AND THE JURISDICTION TO PROVIDE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVED ROADWAY NETWORK, IS THAT ACCURATE >> ANY SITE PLAN APPROVAL, THAT TAKES PLACE WE'LL HAVE TO FULLY LOOK AT THE COST IMPACTS AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS HAVE TO BE [04:15:03] MADE. IT WILL BE PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS. THE COUNTY HAS MADE US AWARE OF THE THOUGHTS WE HAVE FOR THAT. AND THE SAME THING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL, HAVING TO LOOK AT THE ZONES. AND THAT WOULD BE NOTE TAKEN. >> AND I WANT TO PUT IN THE RECORD AND THIS WILL COME WITH THE SITE PLAN. THE TWO PARCELS THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE IN THE EAST SIDE THERE, THERE WILL BE PROPER BUFFERS AROUND THOSE PROPERTIES. COR CORRECT? >> YES, MA'AM. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. MALLORY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU WERE SWORN IN. WERE YOU SWORN IN >> NO, MA'AM. >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SWEAR YOU IN RIGHT NOW, OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. . >> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. >> IF YOU COULD STOP AND SAY YOUR NAME. >> JOSE GONZALEZ, 41 ORANGE AVENUE. WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH MY CARO. WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE NOISE LEVEL OF ORDER NARNS. I KNOW THE CITY AND COUNTY HAS A DIFFERENT NOISE LEVEL. HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER THAT. >> >> STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE. >> AND 4914, ORANGE AVENUE. I WANTED TO, AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT -- OWN THE PROPERTY, WHATEVER, OWN THE PROPERTY AND IF IT WAS LIKE THAT, I THINK, EVERYBODY, ANYTHING AND SOMETIMES, I WILL DO SOMETHING. AND EITHER THE COUNTY OR SOMETHING DOESN'T LET YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO RESPECT THAT AS WELL. I FEEL LIKE, IF YOU GUYS COULD COME, ON A GOAL, THAT IS HOW THE HOUSES WILL AFFECT AND HAVE SOME TYPE, WHAT EXACTLY, YOU SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE AROUND THE HOUSE. I WANT PRIVACY. I WANT PRIVACY AROUND MY HOUSE. IF YOU COULD TELL, IT'S ALL AROUND ME AND MY NEIGHBOR. THAT'S ALL I ASK FOR. SOMETIMES WE HAVE PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND WE HAVE THE PROPERTY TO DO IT. I DON'T WANT THAT TO AFFECT THEIR AREA AS WELL. LIKE HE SAID, LIKE AN ORDINANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO KNOW, IT'S NOT THE SAME AS SINGLE HOME VIEW, AS OUR PROPERTY. WE CAN PROBABLY, GET IT AS MUCH PARTIES OR MY DAUGHTER'S PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I WANT TO ET WILL YOU GUYS KNOW THAT. I WOULD RATHER HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAN 1,000 HOMES IN AROUND MY HOUSE. >> AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE. ANYONE ELSE. MR. MALLORY, YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT? >> PRESENTED INFORMATION ON THE NOISE LEVEL. I THINK AS YOU ARE AWARE THE CITY HAS A NOISE ORDINANCE LEVEL, AND COUNTY HAS NOISE ORDINANCE LEVEL. THE COUNTY WILL CONTINUE TO ENJOY THE RIGHTS THEY HAVE AND OUR DEVELOPMENT CAN'T, HELP CONTINUE, WHETHER IT'S TO ENJOY CATTLE OR THE BEAUTY OF THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THEY HAVE. THE PIECE OF PROPERTY, IS INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. ANYBODY WHO IS DOING ANYTHING OUTSIDE, THAT, WILL ABIDE, WHAT'S IN PLACE, WHETHER IT BE NOISE OR OTHER. AND WHEN IT COMES TO AD PROPERTIES, THEY HAVE TO REALIZE, PEOPLE CAN'T JUST WANDER AND DECIDE TO PET CATTLE. THAT'S REALLY TRESPASSING. AND THE DEVELOPMENTS, WILL GO THROUGH THE REBUTCHERING PROCESS. IT MEANS, WE WILL LOOK AT HOW WE WILL CREATE, WHETHER IT'S COMBINATION OF FENCES, THAT MAY COME TO PLACE FOR THAT. THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT, WE BUILD A WALL. AND BUILD PRIVACY WALL THAT WE HAVE TO SEPARATE THE AG USES FROM RESIDENTIAL USES. [04:20:04] EACH OF THE DEVELOPER, HAS A HIGHER DESIRE TO TRY TO CREATE MORE OF A LOOK OR FEEL OR WHATEVER THE CASE WILL BE. THERE STILL WILL BE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER. THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IS A SET DISTANCE. WE'VE ESTABLISHED IT FURTHER WITHIN OUR CHART AND THAT DETAILS HOW LARGE AN AREA WE HAVE TO SET UP WITH LANDSCAPING FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE INSIDE. THAT'S GOING TO BE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'RE BACK IN THE COMMISSION ON ITEM H. ISM ONE QUICK POINT. . >> TO DEVELOPERS YOU HEARD THE CONCERNS OF A COUPLE OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO ALL PARTIES IF YOU GUYS COULD TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS OUTSIDE OF HERE. AND I THINK, TO GIVE THEM A PIECE OF MIND AND VICE VERSA, YOU KNOW. WHATEVER NEIGHBORS, YOU PUT INSIDE THE CITY, IN THIS CAL OVER HERE. IT'S JUST COMMON SENSE TO -- I DON'T THINK THEY ARE TOTALLY AGAINST IT. THEY WANT A TYPE OF PROTECTION. AND OTHER THAN THAT, MADAM MAYOR. >>. >> ANYBODY ELSE, WANTS TO DISCUSS OR DOES SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION. >> MOVE THAT 23-013, FOR ZONING AND THE FIVE PARCELS INCLUDING THE 15 CONDITIONS AS PROPOSED. >> IS THERE A SECOND. >> I SECOND. >> ARE WE READY TO VOTE. CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. >> JEREMIAH JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES. >> AND THE LAST WORD IS BE GOOD [i. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-014 Amending Chapter 36 - Utilities, Article VIII imposing year-round Irrigation Conservation Measures. FIRST READING] NEIGHBORS. OKAY THE NEXT ITEM IS LEGISLATIVE HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 23-014, ORDINANCE, ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, CREATING CHAPTER 36, UTILITIES, CONSERVATION MEASURES PROVIDING FOR LOCAL IMPLEMENTATION OF MANDATORY, IRRIGATION, CONSERVATION MEASURES, WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, 40E-24 ADMINISTRATIVE CODE PROVIDING DEFINITIONS, PROVIDING FOR THE APPLICABLITY, IRRIGATION SCHEDULE, PROVIDING EXCEPTIONS TO THE LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION SCHEDULE, PROVIDING FOR REQUIREMENT TO OPERATE TECH OG INHIBITINGS, DURING PERIODS OF SUFFICIENT. AND PROVIDING VARIANCES FOR THE SPECIFIC DAY OF WEEK, AND PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT, PROVIDING FOR PENALTIES VIOLATION OF ORDINANCE. PROVIDING COD FICICATION OF THE ORDINANCE, PROVIDING CONFLICTING, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING >> THE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU TODAY, IS A YEAR ROUND IRRIGATION ORDINANCE. I HAVE THE POWER POINT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU DURING THE WORKSHOP, PAUSE THIS ORDINANCE AMENDMENT DID COME AT THEIR REQUEST. JUST AS A REFRESHER, THIS ORDINANCE IS ESTABLISHING WHATEVER RESTRICTIONS WILL BE IN PLACE YEAR ROUND. THIS REALLY IS NOT SOMETHING WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED IN THE PAST. IT IS TO SAFEGUARD OUR RESOURCES AND BASICALLY KEEP THE UNNECESSARY ORDERING TO A MINIMUM THERE'S A LOT OF RULES THAT THEY PRESENTED TO YOU AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO LET YOU READ THEM OVER AGAIN. THE BOTTOM LINE, IT RESTRICTS THE WATERING THERE'S NO WATERING FROM 10:00 A.M. TO 4:00 P.M. NO WATERING DURING THE DAY. THE WATERING IS BASED ON THE ADDRESS, TWO DAYS "WEEK" FOR ODD NUMBERS AND TWO DAYS A WEEK FOR EVEN NUMBERS. IT ALLOWS FOR CERTAIN EXEMPTIONS LOW WATER IRRIGATION. THERE ARE OTHER XHUPITIES NEARBY, THAT ALSO HAVE ADOPTED [04:25:03] ORDINANCES INCLUDING MARTIN COUNTY, ST. LOUIS COUNTY THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS. AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S EXEM EXEMPTIONS, WATER CHEMICALINGS SYSTEM MAINTENANCE. RECLAIMED WATER IS EXEMPT FROM THE REGULATIONS THE STATE NICHE QUATED THE REQUEST, AND TO PUT THE ORDER NARNSS IN PLACE. IT IS REQUIRED TO OBTAIN SOME GRANT MONEY AS WELL. IT IS A REQUIREMENT. READY TO APPROVED THE ORDER NARPS. THE ONLY THING THAT'S CHANGED FROM THE WORKSHOP TODAY, WE PUT AN EFFECTIVE DATES OF NOVEMBER 1ST, SO WE HAVE A DECENT AMOUNT OF TIME OF EDUCATION, FOR ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE. THAT WAS REALLY. WE WANT TO GO BACK TO -- HAS LOT OF PAGE. AND THIS IS THE BASIS OF THE ENTIRE ORDINANCE AND ALL THE WORDS THAT MS. COX JUST READ. YOU CAN'T WATER DURING DAYLIGHT HOURS, AND WHEN YOU WATER, YOU'RE TO DO THREE DAYS A WEEK. >> BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE MOVING TO FLORIDA AND WE JUST APPROVED THE NEW HOMES AND WE'RE APPROVING, SO MANY NEW PEOPLE ARE COMING, THAT WE HAVE TO CONSERVE OUR WATER THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS TELLING US TO CONSERVE WATER. THIS IS TO HELP EVERYBODY PRESERVE AND CONSERVE. >> AND ONE OF THE PRECIOUS COMMODITIES. >> WATER CONSERVATION. >> IF YOU'RE COMING FROM AN ANOTHER PLACE, YOU MAY WANT TO THINK YOUR LAWN LOOKS DIFFERENT. AND YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF LIVING AND WE NEED TO CONSERVE THE WATER. THAT'S A WONDERFUL SUMMARY. >> YOUR LAWN IS HEALTHIER WHETHER YOU WATER LESS. >> IT'S BETTER FOR ALL YEAR ROUND. PEOPLE HAVE TO GET USED TO IT. WE WILL DO A LOT OF EDUCATION. AND WE WANT COMPLIANCE. WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF BEING POLICE. >> THE ORDINANCE, BEING ADOPTED NOW, AND WE CAN SPEND THE RAINY MONTHS, EXPLAINING EVERYTHING. IT WILL GO IN EFFECT BEFORE THE NEXT DRY SEASON. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> SEEING NO ONE, ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR DISCUSSION. >> MADAM MAYOR, MOVE TO APPROVAL. >> MOTION AND SECOND. >> CALL ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON RJTS [j. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Ordinance 23-015 - Review and approval of a Zoning Map Amendment by owners 805 Office Plaza, LLC and applicant Bradley Currie of EDC, Inc to change the zoning from High Density Residential, R-5, to Office Commercial, C-1, at approximately 805 Virginia Avenue Fort Pierce, FL 34982. Parcel ID: 2422-602-0001-000-7. FIRST READING] YES, MA'AM. >> JEREMIAH JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM >> AND ANOTHER QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, AND ORDINANCE FROM THE CITY OF COMMISSION, FOR THE PROPERTY, GENERALLY LOCATED 805 VIRGINIA AVENUE, HIGH DENSITY, TO OFFICE COMMERCIAL C1, PROVIDING FOR AND PROVIDING FOR PARTS AND CONFLICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> MS. COX, YOU SAID THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL, DID YOU MEAN THAT? >> I DID MEAN THAT. DIDN'T I MEAN THAT. >> IT'S LEGISLATIVE. >> PRINTED BEFORE IT GOT CORRECTED. >> IT IS QUASY. >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM, THAT'S ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED AS LEGISLATIVE. >> OKAY. >> IT'S QUASY. >> IT'S QUASI. >> HAVE YOU MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENT. >> THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET. >> AND WOULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EX-PARTY COMMUNICATION. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> NO. >> GOM GOM C JOHNSON >> NO. >> COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON? >> NO. >> MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO. >> DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH RJTS YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND COMMISSIONER, BEFORE YOU AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING 805 VIRGINIA AVENUE. THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP OF THE APROXIMATE 2.825 ACRE PARCEL. >> I AM SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. [04:30:06] IF THIS WENT OUT LEGISLATIVE HEARING. >> I THINK, IT'S A MISPRINT HERE. . >> HOW WAS IT ADVERTISED. >> WE DON'T ADVERTISE IT AS LEGISLATIVE OR QUASI-JUDICIAL. ALL THE QUASI REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME. IT MET ALL THE ADVERTISING RI RIRMS. >> YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE'RE PROCEEDING IN A LEGAL FASHION. >> APPRECIATE THAT. >> WE'RE NOTIFIED, IT WAS A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. THEY HAVE THE PROPER NOTIFICATIONS AS WELL. >> APPRECIATE YOUR POINTING THAT OUT. PLEASE EMPLOYEED. >> THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THE PARCEL IS HIGH DENSITY R5. THE PROPOSED ZONING IS TO CHANGE IT TO C1, WHICH IS OFFICE COMMERCIAL, WHICH IS ALREADY THE USE THAT'S BEING USED THERE. FOR SOME REASON, IT HAS NOT HAD A ZONING CHANGED. THE PLANNING BOARDS ACTION ON NOVEMBER 14TH 2022. THE PLANNING BOARD, THE C1 BE CONSIDERED, INSTEAD OF THE C3, WHICH IS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. AFTER DELIBERATION, THE APPLICANT APROCHED TO THE ZONING SWITCH TO Z1. THE REQUEST IS THE ZONING MAP AMENDMENT, CHANGING FROM ONE PARCEL TO I -5, BE APPROVED SINE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH SURROUNDING ZONING, CONSISTENT 135 OF THE CITY CODE AND DOESN'T ADVERSELY EFFECT THE CITY HEALTH AND GENERAL WELFARE. THE CITY PLANNING ACTIONS, AFTER A MEETING WAS VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE ZONING REQUEST. THE CITY COMMISSIONS, IS APPROVAL OF THE REZONING WITH KNOW CHANGES, WHICH IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION, APPROVAL WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVAL WITH THE APPROVED REZONING. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> WHATS WHAT THE LOGIC FROM THE PLANNING ZONE, C3-C1. >> THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A BETTER BUFFER FOR THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. >> AND THE PRODUCT HAS BEEN BUILT OUT. THERE'S NO FUTURE DEVELOPMENT HERE? >> NO. >> THEY HAVE TO NOW, WITH THE ZONING CHANGE, DO THEY HAVE TO BRING UP TO CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENTS ANY LANDSCAPING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE? THIS IS JUST A STRAIGHT OUT ZONING CHANGE, NO IMPACT ON THE PROPER? >> IT HAS NO EFFECT. IT'S PRETTY MUCH TO TURN IT TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE. >> I AGREE. I EEB QUESTIONED, THIS IS JUST, A MISTERIAL TYPE OF CLEANUP. . >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> I'D LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE. WELCOME MR. CURRY. . >> GOOD EVENING, BRAD CURRY WITH ABC, HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. I WANT TO SAY, SOME OF THE ISSUES, ALLOWED IN C1, WITH CONDITIONS ON R5. WE MAKE CHANGES TO ALLOW FEW MORE CHANGES. THE C3 IS MORE INTENSE. PLANNING BOARD, I BELIEVE, CREDIT CARDLY, CORRECTLY CORRECTED IT, WITH A BUFFER TO THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH. IT'S PRETTY EASY APPLICATION. I WASN'T HERE. >> AND BY 10 MINUTES, DID I. >> AND FOUR HOURS. >> AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> AND WHERE I GET SCHEDULED. >> I GET THERE. >> AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. CURRY. ANYONE ELSE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. YOU WERE SWORN IN, WERE YOU NOT, MR. CURRY >> YES. >> AND OKAY. SO WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >>. >> CALL ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON >> YES. [k. Quasi Judicial Hearing - Ordinance 23-016 - Rezoning two (2) parcels containing approximately 6.88 acres generally located at or near 901-1001 South Ocean Drive, from Hutchinson Island Medium Density Residential Zone (R-4A) to Planned Development (PD). Parcel IDs: 2401-412-0004-000-0 & 2401-412-0005-000-7. FIRST READING] >> THANK YOU. . >> THIS IS ANOTHER QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. AND THIS IS 23016, ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION, CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, TWO PARCELS, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 6.88IC AERS, GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR 901, OR 1001, SOUTH HUDSON DRIVE, R48. [04:35:06] PROVIDING FOR ORDINANCE, CONFLICT TO IT AND PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS. >> DID YOU ASK ABOUT EX-PARTY COMMUNICATION. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, NO MA'AM. >> JEREMIAH JOHNSON? >> YES, WITH CITY RESIDENTS. >> MAYOR HUDSON RJTS NO, MANL. >> PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM -- WE HAVE STILL MORE. DO WE HAVE EVERYBODY. DO YOU SWEAR AND AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> MR. FRIEDMAN. >> THIS APPLICATION IS FOR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, ATLAS AMENDMENT. PROJECT, OASIS. THE APPLICATION CONSISTS OF TWO PARCELS OF LAND, TOTALLING 7 ACRES. THE EXISTING ZONING IS OFF A, AND THAT IS REQUESTED TO BE CHANGED TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TO FACILITATE OF TOWN HALL DEVELOPMENT OF 52 UNITS THE ESSENTIAL PART OF THIS REQUEST IS THE DEPARTURE FROM ALL FOUR ZONING REQUIREMENT OF LOT SIZE WIDTH, MOVING FROM, I THINK 24 TO 30. SO, THE RESPECTS, AND PD COMPLIES WITH THE 4A ZONING DISTRICT. TOTALLING 6.85 ACRES. DISCUSSION INVOLVING THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO WERE LOOKING TO GAIN THE SCHOOL, OR DISCUSS A SCHOOL PLUS STOP ON CREST VIEW DRIVE. THAT REQUEST IS FOR A CONDITION, RECOMMENDED TO THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. THERE'S THE SITE LOCATION OF OCEAN DRIVE. LARGE PORTION OF WETLANDS TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY AND THE PROPERTY ITSELF INCORPORATES WETLANDS. . >> IT HAS AB ISLAND, RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE. . >> OPEN SPACE TO THE EAST, CITY PARK. AND IT'S PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. AND IT'S TO INCORPORATE THE CHANGES TO THE LOT WIDTH AND INC INCREASE. >> WE HAVE NOT INCORPORATED INTO THE PD CONDITIONS THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO RETURN WITH A FORMAL, DELYNNATION, DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS. THE FOLLOW SITE PLAN, IS SHOWN AND NUMBER TOWN HALL UNITS AND FACILITIES AND FACING THE INTERCOASTAL. AND PRIMARY ACCESS, TO OCEAN. THERE ARE EXIT ONLY, EMERGENCY ACCESS, CREST VIEW. ARCHITECTURAL, ON THE [04:40:03] PERSPECTIVE, AND THOSE PERSPECTIVE. WE'RE SUGGESTING THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE ORDINANCE, WE INCORPORATE THE APPROVAL, THAT CALL OUT THE SITE PLANS, SURVEY PLANS, CONSENSUAL PLANS, LANDSCAPE PLANS AND METRIC PLANS, SUPPLIED DURING THE PROCESS. PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL OF CONDITIONS, THAT WENT NOW, WHAT IS EXPECTED AT DEVELOPMENT SITE PERMIT, WHICH IS SUBMITTED DURING THE DCPR PROCESS, WHICH IS WHERE, BUILDING PERMITS, FIRST REVIEWED AND ENGINEERING AND PLANNING, REEVALUATE WHAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. AND PART OF THE REEVALUATION, IS TO CONFIRM A FORMAL DETERMINATION ON THE DETERMINATION OF THE WETLANDS AND TO DETERMINE THE EXACT BOUNDARIES OF THOSE, AND WHETHER FOR THE ASSESSMENT OF THE SITE PLAN NEEDS TO BE CARRIED OUT AT THAT POINT. WE REQUIRE A DETAILED, DRAINAGE PLANT TO BE PROVIDED AT THE SAME PART OF THE PROCESS. WE ARE LOOKING AT, AND ENSURING, PROVISIONS, GOVERN THE PD, AS PART OF THE PROCESS. THE DETAIL CENTER, CONTROL PLAN NEEDS TO BE SUBMITTED TO PROCESS. GRADING PLAN. AND WE'RE REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS THE PROVISION OF THE SCHOOL BUS STOP ON CREST VIEW DRIVE, WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. AND THE CYCLING AND APPLICATION, PERMIT, TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR REVIEW. AND WE UNDERSTAND THE UNITY OF TITLE AND LOCK COMBINATION CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THE PROPOSAL. BEARING ALL THOSE PRACTICE IF MIND AND THE ADDITION OF THE 10 CONDITIONS, RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, AND TO BE ATTACHED TO, AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE PD ORDINANCE, WE WOULD RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND MODIFY THE APPROVAL OR A DISAPPROVAL. ISM QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> SEVERAL QUESTIONS. YOU COULD GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION AS TO WHAT THE EMERGENCY EXIT TO CREST VIEW. IT'S NOT AN OPEN EXIT. >> AND IN MORE DETAIL, THE SITE PLAN, INDICATES EMERGENCY ACCESS, PRIMARILY TO FACILITATE TURNING AND EMERGENCY ACCESS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, YES. >> AND SECOND QUESTION, IS RELATIVE TO THE PROPOSED BUS STOP ON CREST VIEW. NOT REALLY SURE HOW THAT'S FEASIBLE. WAS THERE DISCUSSION HAD, RELATIVE TO INCORPORATING THE BUS PICK UP, INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT. >> I THINK THERE WAS A WIDE RANGING DISCUSSION WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, WAS ATTENDING, THE PLAYING BOARD. AND I THINK THE PREFERRED LOCATION WAS CREST VIEW, BUT I THINK THE APPLICANT SHOULD BE DISCUSSING MORE DETAIL OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. >> I AGREE. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE INCORPORATED IN SOME CAPACITY. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT THAT WOULD BE. THEY WOULD LOSE SOMETHING HERE, JUST LIKE ANOTHER SITE PLANNING WILL LAY OUT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. >> YES. >> BECAUSE OF THAT CAVEAT, DOES THAT DICTATE THIS IS FINAL SITE PLAN >> IT'S A FINAL SITE PLAN AT THE MOMENT. IF IT CHANGES, IT WILL RETURN TO TE CITY COMMISSION AND PLANNING BOARD. >> AND I'M JUST SOMEWHAT UNCOMFORTABLE, WITH THE RATHER PARTICULAR IMPORTANT COMPONENT, NOT BEING DELINEATED CURRENTLY, IN SOME CAPACITY. THERE'S NOT A LOT, THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE. AND THE OLDER STYLE CONSTRUCTION, WHERE THE BUILDING IS CLOSE TO THE STREETS. OKAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL REMAIN AS AN OPEN ENDED ISSUE UNTIL THE SCHOOL BOARD DEALS WITH IT, PLANNING DEPARTMENT DEALS WITH IT, CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. OTHERWISE, THE CITY COMMISSION COULD RECOMMEND THAT BE SATISFIED BEFORE. >> I DON'T SEE HOW IT COULD BE FINALIZED WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF DELYNNATION. I WILL LET THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS GET INTO THE DISCUSSION I THINK THEY KNOW WHAT MY CONCERN IS HERE. MY THIRD QUESTION, WE'RE [04:45:03] CONVERTING FROM R4A ZONING TO PD. NOW YOU'RE INDICATING, THAT THE PRIMARY CHANGE FROM OUR 4A TO PD, IS LOT DENSITY, LOT WIDTH. >>ND A THAT'S CORRECT HE THEY ARE INCREASING THE DEPTH WIDTH. >> AND THE TOWN HOME, I'M GOING TO ASSUME. I SEE HEAD SHAKING YES THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALL 4 A&P E. >> CORRECT. >> THE SOUTHEAST, LET'S GET IN THE DISCUSSION WITH THAT. THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENT UNDER THE SOUTH BEACH OVERLAY. THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPENT. >> 45. >> 45 FEET. >> AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR ANY CONDITIONAL USE. ABOVE THE 45 FOOT WE'RE NOT EVEN TRIGGING? >> NO. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> MAD AM DA MAYOR. I WANT TO COME FIRM -- CONFIRM, WHAT'S THE YELLOW? IS THAT PART OF THE PARCEL? >> NOT SURE. CAN'T BE. >> SHOULD BE; RIGHT?. >> YES, IT'S THE LENGTH. IT EXTENDS DOWN CREST VIEW. >>ND AN ENTIRE WETLAND, IS INCLUDED IN MOST OF THAT. >> NOT ONLY THAT, THAT IS A DIFFERENT -- >> OH, IT IS. >> YEP. . >> OKAY. . >> OKAY. . >> THIS PART RIGHT HERE, SHOWING THE BLUE SECTION. I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR DOWN, THAT GOES. PROCEEDS WEST FROM A-1A. OKAY. MAYBE APPLICANT COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAD. AT THIS POINT, AS FAR AS GOING BACK TO THE PD, ALL 48, D, TRANSITION, WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT, THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC, GETTING INTO THE PARKING. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CODE, THAT RELATES? >> REGARDING IN THE ZONING, WHAT'S REQUIRED. PD, YOU COULD REDUCE OR ENHANCE THE REQUIREMENTS. THAT WOULD BE, THE WILL OF THE CITY COMMISSION. >> RIGHT. >> AND ANY COMPONENTS OF THE PD RELATED TO LANDSCAPING OR THE EXISTING WALLS OR ANYTHING COMPLICATED WITH THAT? >> THE EXISTING ROLES WILL BE REMOVED. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA. I THINK. . >> LIKE -- >> IS THAT, I COULDN'T TELL. MAYBE THE APPLICANT COULD SHARE. >> YEAH, THERE'S A DECORATIVE FENCE IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF WHAT THE FENCE IS. THERE'S A DECORATIVE FENCE. >> OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. . >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, OF STAFF. >> I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE. AND YOU HAVE UP TO 20 MINUTES. TAKE ALL THE TIME YOU NEED. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE 20 MINUTES. >> WELCOME. >> MRS. MAYOR, THANK YOU. YOU COULD TELL I'M DIFFERENT NOW. AND MEMBERS AND THE CITY COMMISSION, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, OASIS TOWN HOMES. I WILL IMMEDIATELY ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR KEV AND HIS DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF. WE REALLY APPRECIATE KEVIN AND STAFF WORKING THROUGH. AND THIS IS ONE OF THE FOREMOST ISSUES. >> YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF HIM. >> I'M SORRY. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU. >> AS TO THE FIRST QUESTION, THE QUEST VIEW ACCESS, WHETHER IT'S AN EMERGENCY OR NOT, GOING TO HAVE PATRICK SUAREZ ADDRESS THAT IN A MIP. THAT LEADS TO THE SCHOOL BUS STOP DISCUSSION, REPRESENTATIVE, FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD, MARTY SANDERS, IMMEDIATELY STARTED TO HONE AND TALK ABOUT THAT. GENERALLY SPEAKING AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND THIS, IF YOU LOOK BACK. AND COMMISIONER BRODERICK, FROM YOUR PLANNING AND ZONING. I DON'T KNOW A LOT WHAT I SAW WHEN I WAS HERE, HAD INTERNAL DROP-OFF ZONES, CIRCULATION FOR THE BUSES. THEY HAD THEIR ROUTES PLANNED. MR. SANDERS INDICATED, THAT ES A [04:50:05] FULL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, ALONG CREST VIEW. IT MADE SENSE IN DISCUSSING, IN PLANNING AND ZONING, IF THAT WILL BE A -- THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A BUS STOP. FOR INTERNAL, TO SERVICE ANYBODY THAT WILL BE IN THE AREAS, AROUND GRANATTA FOR THE BUS TO HAVE THAT STOP. WE'RE CERTAINLY WILLING TO WORK WITH AND CONCEDE THAT IMMEDIATELY WORKING WITH THE DISTRICT. AS FOR THE PD, WILL HAVE THE FEW SIMPLE OWNED. THAT'S ALWAYS THE INTENT. I WILL BRIEFLY, IF I MAY, HAVE THE SOURCE COME UP, ARCHITECTURAL RECORD, TO ADDRESS THE TWO ACCESS POINTS. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> I KNOW, IT'S BEEN A LATE NIGHT. >> THANKS FOR THE REFERENCE FOR ME. >> THANK YOU. >> AND THE EMERGENCY EXITS. THOSE ARE GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL EXITS AND EMERGENCY INGRES AND EGRES. SO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND EMS, WILL HAVE FULL ACCESS TO THOSE. THAT WILL BE A GATED RESIDENTS, WILL HAVE THAT AS AN OPTION TO EXIT THE COMMUNITY, NOT ENTER. THERE'S AN EMERGENCY ENTER AND EXIT IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. EMERGENCY ENTERING. >>ND AN EMERGENCY ENTERING AND EXITING SAO FIRE DEPARTMENT COULD ENTER THERE. RESIDENTS WILL NOT ENTER THOSE, THOSE GATES. RESIDENTS WILL MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH OCEAN DOWN THE MAIN LANE THERE. AND THEN -- >> AWE. I GET IT. . >> YOU GET IT. >> I GET IT. I'M NOT SURE OF THE PHYSICALITY. I'LL GO WITH WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING. AND ENTRANCE, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND AMBULANCE AND POLICE ACCESS ONLY. >> GOOD LUCK WITH THAT ONE. >> THAT SHOULD BE INTERESTING. >> ALL RIGHT. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE SOURCE. ANY QUESTIONS. >> THE FENCING. WHO IS ANSWERING ABOUT THE FENCE? REITERATE THE QUESTION ONE MORE TIME. >> THE FENCING OR THE GATE. GO BACK TO THERE. WHAT IS IS THAT? IS THAT FENCING. >> REGULAR FENCING. THAT'S BEYOND THE MAIN WALL DELINEATING THE PROPERTY LINE. >> SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A WALL IN FRONT OF THAT. >> THAT'S WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THE FRONT YARD FROM THE SIDEWALK WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. >> WILL YOU LEAVE THE WALL THAT'S THERE? >> NO, THEY ARE GOING TO PUT IN SOMETHING A LITTLE NICER. RIGHT NOW THERE'S SEGMENTS OF CBS WALLS THERE. IT'S REALLY NOT, AND ESPECIALLY A COMMUNITY OF THIS PROPORTION. >> THESE ARE THREE STORY TOWN HOMES? >> THREE STORY. THERE'S A COMBINATION OF THREE STORIES AND TWO STORIES. THERE'S THREE STORIES TOWARDS THE FRONT AND TOWARDS THE BACK, THEY GO UP. ALSO, RESPECTING THE 45 UNIT, 45 UNIT. >> AND MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU COULD GO TO THE BACK VIEW, FACING THE OCEAN, I GUESS. SO, DID I SEE CORRECTLY, THIS WOULD BE -- WETLANDS OR -- DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS FOR THE RESIDENTS TO GO, PEOPLE FROM THE BEACH. >> NO, NOT NECESSARILY. THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE ABLE TO WALK AROUND AND ENJOY THE WETLANDS. THERE WOULD BE NO BUILDING. >> NO BORDER. >> THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS OF MAYBE, A BOARDWALK, BUT. >> SITE PLAN, RIGHT NOW, IT'S NOT IN HERE. >> IT'S NOT IN HERE RIGHT NOW. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE, RAISE A CONCERN. SO THIS STRUCTURE, I'M LOOKING BACK HERE, IS MORE OF A COMMON AREA FACILITY, CLUBHOUSE, I CALL IT; RIGHT?. >> THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO EXPLAIN. >> IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL HAVE A POOL SOMETHING ELSE? >> THANK YOU, SIR >> YEAH. >> OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. SCHWARTZ. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS A PUBLIC -- MR. SWEENEY, WERE YOU DONE? WERE YOU DONE. >> MAYOR, YES, I'M DONE. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS GEORGE MOYER. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PIERCE. [04:55:03] >> WERE YOU SWORN. >> WERE YOU SWORN IN? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. . >> FOR 30 YEARS NOW, 23 ACRES IF YOU WOULD BRING THIS UP. >> YOU TAKE THAT TO MS. COX. THREE WEEKS AGO, IT WAS WRITTEN. AND I RECEIVED IT, AND IT WAS DELIVERED TO ME, TO MY P.O. BOX, THURSDAY. MY PHONE WENT DEAD, TRYING TO LOOK AT THE 200 DOCUMENTS ATTACHED AND SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. I THINK YOU COULD SEE, AND ALL THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE NOTICE. AND THAT'S DEBATABLE. I ACTUALLY DONATED PART OF CREST VIEW TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IN EXCHANGE FOR NOT HAVING LIENS SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD COULD BE DEVELOPED TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPERTIES, WHEN I ASSISTED THE CITY ATTORNEY, JOHN BRENNAN, MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. I THINK I SHOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, AS A RESIDENT IN THE CITY TAXPAYER TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND REVIEW, WHAT THE PLANNING DIRECTOR IS HAVING IN THEIR STAFF. I NEVER SPOKEN TO THE GENTLEMAN. NEVER SPOKEN TO -- NEVER SPOKEN TO OCEAN TOWN HOMES, WHICH IS A CORPORATION THAT DOESN'T EXIST. I CONDITION EXPRESS AN OPINION, THE IMPACTS THESE THINGS MAY HAVE. I KNOW I HAVE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO ADDRESS. AND THE RESPONSE, IS A YES . THERE'S A LOT OF WALLS IN THE AIR. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO RECEIVE THE COMMUNICATION, SO I COULD REVIEW THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENTATION. >> ANYONE ELSE, WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE? >> [05:00:13] . >> THAT'S THE INFORMATION I COULD GO FROM. THIS IS A MAP, THAT WAS PROVIDED BY SOUTH FLORIDA, TO MY DISTRICT. IT'S NOT GENERATED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND STAFF. THEY HAVE DONE AN INFORMAL WETLAND DELIBERATION WHICH SHOWS, THEY DIDN'T GO INTO THE PROPERTY. THEY LOOKED AT THE AREA HERE AND THEY CATEGORIZED IT AS WETLAND. >> NOW. >> I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. >> THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN STATED, HE OWNS THAT. THE GREEN PIECE, THAT HE OWNS GREEN PIECE. . >> AND THE BLUE AREA IS WETLANDS. >> GREEN AREA IS THE GENTLEMAN'S PROPERTY. >> GOT IT. >> OKAY. . >> DID YOU READ THE CONTENT OF THE LETTER. AND THE NEXT MEETING, FEBRUARY. IT GAVE BOTH. >> DO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL, IN THE -- >> AND THE NOTICE DOESN'T ADDRESS, WHETHER IT'S QUASI-JUDICIAL OR LEGISLATIVE. >> THAT'S GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION. . >> THAT'S MY STANDARD LANGUAGE. YES >> SO MADAM MAYOR. COUPLE OF COMMENTS WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION, IN FRONT OF US. IT'S QUASI-JUDICIAL AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, THAT DOESN'T MIND THE APPLICATION AND ON THE SURFACE. FEELS LIKE MORE TIME WILL BE NEEDED. I'M NOT SURE WHAT FOR. SO I DIDN'T HEAR AN OPPOSITION. I WANT TO REVIEW MORE. >> AND YEAH. >> UH-HUH. SOME DISAGREED WITH THE MAP AND DISAGREED WITH THE MAP, NOT HERE ON THE SCREEN. THAT'S NOT UNDER REVIEW. I'M KIND OF CHALLENGED ON WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS. WE HAVE ANOTHER HEARING. SO ANY OTHER FEELINGS? I'M KIND OF -- I'M A LITTLE OUT OF LOSS. AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S NO ISSUE WITH THE APPLICATION. I'M KIND OF CONFUSED WHAT I WOULD BE. >> WE HAVE A SECOND CRACK AT THE NEXT MEETING. >> YEAH. >> I WOULD HOPE, WE WOULD HAVE THIS BUS STOP ISSUE RESOLVED. YOU KNOW, BUSES RUMBLING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I AM CURIOUS HOW THEY WILL DEAL WITH IT. HOPEFULLY, THIS COULD BE RESOLVED PRIOR TO THE SECOND READING. I CONSIDER THE SITE PLAN TO BE SOMEWHAT INCOMPLETE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT DESIGNATING THAT. WE'VE WRESTLED WITH THE BUS STOPS. >> I WOULD SAY, THIS IS THE SECOND TIME RECENTLY, WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THIS, NORMALLY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SAY ON WHERE THE BUS STOP, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS KIND OF THE FIRST CHAIR ON THAT. >> I'M ASSUMING IT WOULD BE RESOLVED BY THEN. >> NO, SIR, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS ALREADY CLOSED. SORRY. . >> CANNOT BE REOPENED BY THE COMMISSIONER? >> IS THERE ANY COMMISSIONER THAT OBJECTS TO HAVING THE PUBLIC HEARING REOPENED? >> THERE'S NEW INFORMATION. >> BEFORE WE DO THAT, I WANT TO SAY -- >> HE WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING IN JUST ONE SECOND. [05:05:06] >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I'M ABOUT TO LOSE MY MIND. THIS IS A JUDICIAL HEARING; RIGHT? AND WE HAVE TO BASE EVERYTHING ON EVIDENCE. WE HAVE HAD EVIDENCE, THAT WE HAD A LAND OWNER, THAT DIDN'T RECEIVE NOTICE IN TIME TO BRING US EVIDENCE THAT HE COULD HAVE GATHERED TO EITHER GO AGAINST OR BEFORE THIS, THIS APPLICATION. NOW -- THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING. THIS IS A SECOND READING ALSO JUDICIAL? OR IS IT JUST LEGISLATURE. >> MADAM MAYOR, TODAY IT'S A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. THE SECOND READING IS A LEGISLATIVE HEARING. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. I MAY HAVE MORE TO SAY IN A SECOND. >> WE HAVE BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ABOUT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING, WE DIDN'T GIVE A RESIDENT TIME TO GO OUT DISPUTE, BRING ANY TYPE OF EVIDENCE, ON WHAT IS BEING SAID TONIGHT, IS TRUE. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT TRUE. I'M JUST SAYING HE'S BROUGHT RESIDENTS AND PRESENTED IT TO US THAT HE GOT THIS ON THE THIRD. AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS, THE THIRD. IT WAS A FRIDAY, I THINK AND SATURDAY -- SO IN THREE DAYS, YOU KNOW, HE CAME TO PRESENT EVIDENCE WHERE THAT'S EVIDENCE, HE DIDN'T GET IT. HE SAID, IF HE HAD TIME, HE DIDN'T AGREE WITH SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT. IF HE HAD TIME TO GIVE EVIDENCE, HE COULD HAVE BROUGHT EVIDENCE TO LOOK THE OTHER WAY. AGAIN, OR HE COULD HAVE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY ARE RIGHT OR WHATEVER. RIGHT NOW, ALL I KNOW, WE'RE IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND I HAVE A RESIDENT WHO HASN'T HAD THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR US TO, FOR US TO DETERMINE. AND I MEAN, JUST -- THESE LETTERS, I WOULD NEED TO GET WITH YOU MADAM ATTORNEY AND LOOK AT THE LETTERS, HOW WE'RE SENDING IT OUT. QUASI JUDICIAL AND LEGISLATIVE ARE VERY DIFFERENT VERY DIFFERENT. AND IF WE'RE NOT, IF WE'RE NOT SENDING LETTERS STATING THAT, AND RESIDENTS ARE COMING IN WITH THAT EVIDENCE, BECAUSE IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AND WE'RE TURNING AROUND AND SAYING, WE CAN'T USE THE TESTIMONY BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVIDENCE, I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM WITH THAT. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, JEREMIAH JOHNSON, I'M TORN BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, IF WE'RE WITHOUT EVIDENCE, WE GAVE THIS RESIDENT TIME TO PRESENT EVIDENCE. AND SO, BASED ON, BASED ON OUR LETTERS, IS THAT FAIR? AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I'M DEALING WITH. LIKE I SAID, HE COULD COME IN, YOU KNOW WHAT? AFTER I DID MY RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT IS 100 PERCENT CORRECT. AS I SIT HERE TODAY, I DON'T KNOW. WE DIDN'T GIVE HIM TIME TO DO IT. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TONIGHT. HE DIDN'T HAVE TO PRESENT THE LETTER THAT HE DID. THAT IS EVIDENCE, BECAUSE HE PUT IT PART OF THIS HEARING. SO I'M TORN HERE BECAUSE, LOOKED LIKE A VERY NICE, LOOKED LIKE A VERY NICE, YOU KNOW PRODUCT, YOU KNOW. MUCH NEEDED OVER THERE, I THINK. AGAIN, WITHOUT KNOWING YOU KNOW, WHAT THE EVIDENCE COULD HAVE BEEN. I DON'T KNOW RIGHT NOW. I WOULD VOTE. AND MAYBE, MAYBE I HAVE, WHAT MY ATTORNEY RIGHT NOW, NOT MY CITY COMMISSIONER HERE. IT'S JUST BOTHERS ME, IT JUST BOTHERS ME. MADAM ATTORNEY, YOU COULD HELP ME, IN GETTING THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR -- >> THIS EARLY. >> MADAM MAYOR, LET'S TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME. MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE TO MR. FRIEDMAN AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SENT OUT THE PROPER NOTICES AS [05:10:03] REQUIRED? >> YES. >> WERE THEY SENT IN A TIMELY FASHION? >> YES. >> WAS THIS ITEM PROPERLY ADVERTISED AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW IN OUR CODE? >> YES. >> SO, IF WE MET THE BASIC LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ADVERTISING, AND WE DID NOT FET GET A PETITION FOR AN IN VEENER, YOU HAVE HERE AN APPLICANT AND A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAS COMMENTED. THE WAY THE COURT WILL REVIEW THIS, IS NOT AS AFTER ADVERSARIAL PROCEEDINGS, THAT HAS EQUAL STATUS. IN THIS CASE, YOU HAVE THE AM APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT HAS GREATER RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS, ESSENTIALLY. AND THAT BEING THE CASE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE THT WAS PRESENTED. IF THERE'S COMPETENCE EVIDENCE TO DENY IT, YOU COULD MAKE A DECISION. IF THERE'S COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO DENY IT, YOU COULD MAKE EVIDENCE TOER THAT. IF YOU THINK THERE'S CERTAIN DECISION YOU NEED THAT'S LIKELY TO BE OBTAINED FROM POSTPONING AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE OBJECTION OF THE APPLICANT, YOU COULD DO THAT. AT THIS POINT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE PROCEDURALLY. >> THANK YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY. >> SO MADAM MAYOR, THE APPLICANT, HAS REQUESTED AND TO SAY SOMETHING, I THINK IT'S, WE HAVE THE ABILITY, I THINK, WITH YOUR PERMISSION TO ALLOW THAT. AFTER HEARING THE APPLICANT, I COULD TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, SINCE I'M SITTING RIGHT HERE, I'M LOOKING AT POSTPONING THE PARTICULAR MANNER. AND I'M UNCOMFORTABLE ON WHAT I'VE HEARD. AND I WANT TO BE SURE. WHEN YOU SAY THAT IT WAS, INDICATED THAT SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT, ABOUT WETLANDS, I NEED TO KNOW FROM THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, AND ASSURITY, THAT IT IS STAMP, FOR THE MOST PART, IF I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND IF NOT, I WOULD RECONNECT. I DON'T SEE AN ISSUE, POSTPONING, BECAUSE OF THE UNCERTAINTY OF A LOT AND WHERE IT'S GOING. I'M GETTING REAL UNCOMFORTABLE. AND MADAM MAYOR, WE ASK THAT WE ALLOW, THE RESIDENT TO COME AND ASK THE QUESTION AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE, IF THAT'S OKAY. >> WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR FIVE HOURS ALREADY. >> OKAY. >> MADAM MAYOR, TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU ARE GOING TO REOPEN ANY TESTIMONY, YOU HAVE TO LET THE APPLICANT. >> I WOULD. I WOULD. DO I LET THE APPLICANT GO FIRST. >> WE'RE KIND OF OFF ROAD AT THIS POINT, MAYOR. I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS, I THINK PERHAPS IT MAY BE EASIER TO LET, IF IT'S THE WILL OF MADAM MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION TO REOPEN TESTIMONY, AND IN AN INTEREST OF FAIRNESS, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO LET THE APPLICANT GO SECOND. >> THANK YOU. . >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE I DO THIS? YOU LOOKED LIKE YOU WANTED TO. >> I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE WILL ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT. I'LL GO WITH THE FLOW. >> MR. MILLER, WE'RE REOPENING THE PUBLIC COMMENT BACK UP. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> I DISAGREE WITH YOUR LEGAL ANALYSIS, COUNSELOR. FROM THE STANDPOINT, THE DUE PROCESS IS TO BE EQUAL PROTECTION ON THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND THE CONSTITUTION -- >> WOULD YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> GEORGE MILLER. >> THANK YOU. >> THE LETTER DID INDICATE, CAN I CORRECT THE RECORD PLEASE, THAT I DID RECEIVE IT VIA THE SECOND, WHICH IS THURSDAY. THANK YOU. THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED TO TITLE, AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS WETLANDS, IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THE DIAGRAM, YOU COULD SEE THERE'S A CANAL GOING UP. THAT'S A DEEP WATER CANAL THAT'S [05:15:01] NAVIGATABLE ONLY TO THE LAND OWNER. MEANING MYSELF THAT OWNS THE LAND. I HAVE THE TITLE TO THE PROPERTY. IF I HAD PROPER NOTICE, I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT EVIDENCE TO THIS COUNCIL TO SHOW THAT MY TITLE IS EITHER THE 4TH OR 5TH IN THE KING OF SPAIN. I BROUGHT IT FROM THE HOUSE FAMILY, THAT PART IN 1956, FEELING THE SUBMERGED LAND UNDER OUR PUBLIC DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE AND SOVEREIGNTY. THERE IS -- THERE'S NOT NAVIGATABLE LAND, INLAND NAVIGATION, WHICH IS ALSO ON MY LAND OF WHICH THERE'S 15 SUBMERGED LANDS. I HAVE EIGHT I HAVE OWNED I OWN TWO PARCELS THERE. IVE THE ORIGINAL ABSTRACT, FROM THE KING OF SPAIN, THAT GOES WAY BACK IN TITLE BEFORE THIS IS ST. LOUIS COUNTY, BREVARD COUNTY. I AM INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE PIECE OF LAND, AS WELL AS THE INCREASION AND DEKREEGS, AND I COULD BRING YOU FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA, PROPERTY APRAISER, WHERE THE LAND IS UNDERGOING UPLAND CHANGE AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED NAVIGATABLE AND NONNAVIGATABLE, BASED ON CERTAIN JURISDICTION. THE LAND HAS BEEN LITIGATED. IT'SLIN LITIGATED IN THE 4TH DISTRICT. BEEN NAVIGATED TO THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT. THAT'S HOW I ACQUIREDED TITLE OVER 30 YEARS AGO IT'S A LITTLE, APPRECIATE THE FACT, YOU ALLOWED ME TO GIVE HISTORICAL BACKGROUND. YOU'RE OUT OF TIME. MAYOR, THIS WAS JUST AN EVIDENTIARY MEETING, I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT YOU PROPER DOCUMENTATION TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT I BELIEVE IS MY RIGHT TO THE LAND, DEMONSTRATE MY RIGHT TO ACCESS TO THE PROPERTY, THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED TO THE APPLICATION AND A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT RIGHTS AT THAT ARE BEING AFFECTED. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND I WOULD LIKE FOR MR. SWEENEY, YOU WANT TO COME BACK >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONER. IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE SCREEN VERY QUICKLY, EVERYBODY IN THE RED BOX IS OWNED BY MY CLIENT. EVERYTHING THAT'S OUTSIDE, TO THE WEST OF THAT, IS OWNED BY EITHER MR. MILLER OR SOMEBODY ELSE. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE APPLICATION, AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE LOOKING WHAT'S THERE, YOU SEE THE BLUE 612 AND SEE THE 740, THAT'S LIGHTER IN COLOR, THAT'S BASED ON TTHE INITIAL. IT'S PERFORMED BY ANTHONY ADAMS, MR. BRAD CURRY, THAT WORKS WITH HIM. HE CAME OUT, AND YOU KNOW THIS IS IN THE APPLICATION, BACKUP MATERIALS, TO BE INFORMAL EVALUATION OF ALL PROPERTIES. TO BE HONEST, THERE'S TWO PARCELS THERE. THAT COLLECTIVE. THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. WE DIDN'T GO ON TO MR. MILLER. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DO ANYTHING TO HIS PROPERTY OR ANYBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY. WHAT IT DID, AS A FORMER EVALUATION, VIRTUALLY, MOST OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S CLOSE, THAT'S UNDER THE 740 COLORING IS BASICALLY DRY. I'M BEING MIGHTY HERE. I'M NOT AN ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEER. THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE DELYNNATION. AND AGAIN, THAT AREA, WHERE IT SORT OF LOOKS LIKE A THUMB CAME IN FROM THE LEFT SIDE, THAT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, IF WE'RE MAKING ANY CLAIM, DEVELOPMENT OR OTHERWISE, TOO. I THINK THE PART, THAT I WOULD HOPE, IS MOST RECEIVED BY THE COMMISSION, EVERYTHING IN THAT 612, AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE, BEING WETLANDS OR WETLANDS. WE SAW THE DEVELOPMENT OF -- IT'S ALL EAST, ALL CLOSER TO OCEAN. IT'S ALL AWAY FROM THERE. THAT'S WHY THE PLANS, SHOWS BUFFERING, THAT'S SUGGESTED AND DISCUSSED. AGAIN, WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST, AND WE MET THE PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS. I RECOGNIZE THAT DEVELOPMENT OFTEN TIMES CATCHES PEOPLE, SOETIMES BY SURPRISE. IT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER. IT WAS PROPERLY AND AGAIN, COMPLIMENTS TO THE STAFF, DONE EVERYTHING. I RECOGNIZE, THIS COUNCIL OR COMMISSION GOING FORWARD. WE HAVE DONE THAT, WE ARE PREPARED AND PRESENTED THE CASE AND I BELIEVE THE RECORD IS VERY CLEAR. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE IN THE [05:20:02] RECORD OTHERWISE AND RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR THE APPROVAL ON THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. >> THANK YOU, SIR >> IF THERE'S ANY QUESTION, I WILL BE HAPPY. . >> AND WEST AND NORTH, THE THUMB, THAT STICKS OUT THERE, THAT IS STILL GREEN AND NOT BLUE. TO THE NORTH. ON THE PARCELL. >> ON THE PARCEL. >> AT THAT LITTLE THUMB OUT THERE. >> I WANT TO TAKE NOTE OF THAT. EVERYBODY REMEMBER THIS. COULD YOU GO TO THE CARTOON DRAWING, WHICH IS NOT THE ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS OF THIS ONE. IS THAT ON THE LEFT PART OF THE PAGE, THE SAME THUMB SECTION? >> YES, SIR. . >> PATRICK, IF YOU COULD EXPAND VERY BRIEFLY. >> YOUR NAME. >> AND THAT'S THE SAME --. >> THAT'S THE SAME. >> AND SO THE DELINATION IS A REPRESENTATION OF YOUR PARCEL NOT NECESSARILY THE WETLANDS IN THE BOTTOM. >> NO, THAT'S JUST FOR YOUR REFERENCE. THAT REFERENCE, IS JUST FOR OUR PARCEL. >> INTERCOASTAL, IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE SHOULD HAVE COLORED IT. >> AND NOW I'M CLEARED GEOGRAPHICALLY IN MY ORIENTATION. COULD WE GO BACK TO THE OTHER MAP? YES, OKAY. AND SO, MR. SWEENEY, YOU SAID THE AREA IN RED, BOUND BY RED, YOUR APPLICANTS PARCEL AND PARCEL ID AS GIVEN BY SURVEY AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY? >> YES, SIR, MAYOR, COMMISSIONER. THE SURVEY IS ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR APPLICATION MATERIALS. >> OKAY. AND IN THAT SURVEY AND IN YOUR APPLICATION, NONE OF YOUR PROJECT AS IT'S DELINEATED HERE WILL IMPEDE ANY PARCEL IN THE COMMUNITY IS THAT CORRECT? >> I THINK THAT'S TRUE. >>ND A SOUTHWEST EAST, WHETHER IT'S SUSTAINED ON LANDS OR SOME PRIVATELY OWNED LAND? >> 100 PERCENT ACCURATE, SIR >> ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. THANK YOU. . >> ANYBODY ELSE. >> JUST WANT TO QUICK COMMENT, HEAR UNDER TONES OF POTENTIAL TITLE ISSUE BETWEEN THE TWO PARTIES. THAT'S NOT FOR US. TO EVEN WEIGH INTO. I BELIEVE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THE BACKUP HAS BEEN SUBMITTED. IF THERE'S TWO BETWEEN TWO ADJACENT PROPERTY, THAT GETS SORTED BETWEEN COMMERCIAL REVENUES THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE THE BODY. WHEN THERE COULD BE DISPUTE THAT COULD BE MORE SERIOUS BETWEEN THEM, WE DON'T HAVE A POSITION IN THAT. >> I WANT TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MAKE SURE NO MORE QUESTIONS >> NO MORE QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> THERE'S A COMMENT. COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING, I LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE, IN CLARIFYING SOME THINGS HERE. SO CERTAINLY, I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING NOW, EVEN BEFORE THAT WE TOOK THE TIME TO HEAR FROM BOTH PARTIES ON THAT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> SURE. >> AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION PURPOSES, SO I GET THIS DELINEATED WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS. THE SITE PLAN, IT COMES BACK FOR A SECOND READING. THE MODIFICATIONS WOULD THEN BE VETTED AT THAT POINT, MR. FRIEDMAN. >> ANY NEW INFORMATION THAT WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT OR REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION TO BE DELIVERED PRIOR TO SECOND READING. >> I HEARD THE DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE PARTIES, SEEMS TO BE A WILLINGNESS TO DISCUSS THERE. THAT DOESN'T REALLY INVOLVE US. I THINK FROM THAT ASPECT, THEY END UP DOING THEIR OWN THING. THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN ANSWER ON THE SCHOOL BUS STOP, ET SETRA. I WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE ACCESS TO CREST VIEW GATED, NOT GATED NT,. CONTROLLING THAT. THAT'S FOR A THE APPLICANT. NOT FOR YOU TO DO. THEY HAVE TO GET THAT TO YOU. >> MY OTHER STATEMENT WOULD BE NOT ONLY CAN THE APPLICANT, MR. FREEMAN PROVIDE INFORMATION, [05:25:02] CLARIFICATION AND EXPANSION OF JUST SOME ITEMS THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE FUZZY. THE PUBLIC CAN ALSO PROVIDE, YES. >> PROVIDE COMMENT TO US AND YOU. >> YES. >> SPECIFICALLY, I'D LIKE TO TALK TO AND HAVE CONVERSATION WITH TO SEE EXACTLY. I DIDN'T HEAR WHEN WE REOPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING THE CHALLENGE AND OR GRIEVANCE. I DIDN'T HEAR IT. I HEARD ABOUT PROPERTY AND PROPERTY RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S RELEVANT. I DIDN'T HEAR IT IN REGARDS TO SYSTEM FOR OR AGAINST THE APPLICATION. SO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SEARCHING FOR. AGAIN, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE PUBLIC ONE MORE TIME AND ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. IT WILL COME BEFORE US. IT BE, YOU KNOW, JUST WON'T BE -- IT'S LEGISLATURE IN NATURE. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD. >> MADAM, IF I MAY. YES, SIR. CAN I ADD ONE THING. >> PLEASE. >> I'D LIKE TO CHAIRFY. CLARIFY. I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THE 14TH AMENDMENT DIDN'T APPLY TO AT 45 THIRD 7. THE PARTY JURAL HEARING ARE DIFFERENT FROM PARTICIPANTS IN A QUASI JURAL HEARING. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. >> MADAM. >> SORRY. >> IF I COULD MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. ABOUT THE NOTICE ISSUE AND TALKING ABOUT NOTICE. WE HAVE PROVIDED NOTICE. WE RELY ON A THIRD PARTY ENTITY TO PROVIDE THE NOTICE WHICH IS THE POSTAL SERVICE. THERE WAS A NINE DAY WINDOW TO WHERE I HEARD TESTIMONY FROM STAFF THAT IT WAS POSTMARKED UNTIL WHICH TIME THE ADJACENT PROPERTY RECEIVED IT IN A P.O. BOX. I'M NOT SURE WHEN THAT LETTER, UNLESS IT WAS STOPPED WAS IN THE P.O. BOX. I'M STRUGGLING WITH THAT ASPECT OF IT TOO AS FAR AS NOTICE COMMENTS AND DIALOG WE HAD TONIGHT. WE NEED TO IMPROVE UPON IT IN SOMEWAY. NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO DO IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT PLAYS INTO MY EVALUATION OF THE APPLICATION SITTING IN FRONT OF ME AT THIS MINUTE. I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON IT. IT DOESN'T HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT ON THE DECISION I'M MAKING OTHER THAN, THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN PROVIDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE SUBJECT. THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT. MR. MUELLER IS HERE TONIGHT AND SPOKEN ON THE SUBJECT. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HEARD. THAT'S WHERE I STAND. I WANTED THAT TO BE ON THE RECORD AND CLEAR. THAT'S MY POSITION. THANK YOU. >> YEAH, I THINK THAT THE SPEED OF WHICH SOMETHING IS DELIVERED FROM THE POST OFFICE IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN RELY ON. IT'S VERY QUICK OR SLOW. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PREDICT. I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER OURSELVES. SO, IS THERE ANYBODY WHO IS PREPARED TOM TO MAKE A MOTION? >> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IF I COULD IF YOU'LL GIVE ME THAT LATITUDE MADAM MAYOR. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IS THERE A QUESTION OF PROCESS? COMMISSIONER GAINS YOU SPOKE ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. DO YOU FEEL WE CAN MOVE OR NOT MOVE? THAT'S MY QUESTION. IT'S TO EVERYONE. I HEARD COMMISSIONER GAINS TO TALK ABOUT THAT MOST. I JUST NEED-TO-KNOW BEFORE. >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PINPOINTING. I THINK THERE WAS A NOTICE ISSUE. I DON'T CARE ABOUT A THIRD PARTY PARTY. I UNDERSTAND WE DID EVERYTHING AS FAR AS THE NOTICE AND RULES. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE PARTIES DIDN'T RECEIVE DUE PROCESS. THAT'S -- THAT'S -- THAT'S WHAT [05:30:02] I BELIEVE AND FEEL. I'M NOT PUTTING THAT ON ANYONE ELSE. I FEEL IN THIS CASE DUE PROCESS WASN'T THERE FOR ME. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> I TEND TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GAINS AND HIS ASSESSMENT. BASED ON THE WAY THAT THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE NOTICE AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF EVERYBODY INVOLVED. THOSE PROTOCOLS WERE MET. DOES THAT QUESTION THE ENTIRE PROCESS IN MY MIND, CLEARLY. WE HEARD CHAPTER AND VERSE ABOUT NOTIFICATION PERIODS. WE KNEW IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM WITH THE PLANNING BOARD FOR YEARS. ULTIMATELY, THIS PROCESS WILL HAVE TO BE CHANGED. I DO BELIEVE WITH THE ADVENTOVER ADVENT OFTHE SECOND READING IT E PUBLIC AGAIN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK VOLUMES TO THEIR PARTICULAR POINTS. I DO COME BACK TO THE SCENARIO YOU BROUGHT UP INDICATING KIDNEY OF THAT HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE PLAN SUBMITTED HERE TONIGHT? THAT'S THE POSITIVE ITAL QUESTION. YES, THE PROCESS IS AN ISSUE. WE ADHERE TO THE REQUIREMENTS LAID OUT. IS IT RIGHT, NO. IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. IS IT LEGAL, BY ALL EVIDENCE IT IS. DOES IT IMPACT THE SITE PLAN, IT DOES NOT. I'D SUGGEST WE MOVE FORWARD TO MOVE IT TO THE SECOND READING AND ONCE AGAIN, THE PUBLIC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH-IN ON IT AND ULTIMATELY, IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THIS COMMISSION TO FIX THE PROCESS. CLEARLY IT'S BROKEN. >> WELL, I'D LIKE TO SAY TOO ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT WHO HAS DONE EVERYTHING THEY HAVE BEEN REQUESTED TO DO. IT'S NOT THE APPLICANTS RESPONSIBILITY TO FIX SOMETHING THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN REQUIRED OF THEM. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK INTO -- I THINK WE OUGHT TO GET OFF THE WHOLE NOTICE THING. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS IS A -- WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO. WHETHER IT PLAYED OUT ON THE OTHER END. WE -- I JUST -- I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DWELL ON THAT. I THINK EVERYBODY HAS GOTTEN THE MESSAGE ON THAT. SO, I'D LIKE A MOTION. >> I'LL MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS, THERE WERE CONDITIONS? >> YES. >> AS THE CONDITIONS LAID OUT BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >> IS THERE A SECOND. >> SECOND WITH ONE COMMENT. CAN YOU PUT THE CONDITIONS ON THE LAST PAGE? >> YES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR ON THIS. PAGE BEFORE. WANTED TO MAKE SURE 7 WAS CLEAR. >> SHALL DISCUSS. RIGHT. >> I HAVE A SECOND. >> YES, MA'AM. >> DO I HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> ALL RIGHT. WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> NO >> YES. >> YES >> YES. [l. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-017 - Review and approval of an Abandonment of Right-of-way, by applicant, Collins Brown Barket, to abandon right-of-way near the southeast corner of Seaway Drive and Carlton Court; abutting the parcel located at 1100 Colonnades Drive to the south. FIRST READING] >> OKAY. SO NEXT WE HAVE A LEGISLATURE HEARING ON ORDNANCE 23-017. AN ORDNANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. THIS IS RECORDED IN PLOT BOOK 8 PAGE 29OVER THE PUBLIC RECORD OF ST. LUCIE FLORIDA. A DISTANCE OF 50 FEET TO APPOINT ON THE SOUTH RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE OF CARLTON COURT ALONG SAID RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE. FROM THE SAID POINT CONTINUED [05:35:01] ALONG SAID RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE SOUTH. 72 DEGREES AND 51 FEET ZERO INCHES WEST. A DISTANCE OF 27.68 FEET NORTH 49 DEGREES. IT'S SECONDS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT RIGHT. IT'S SO LATE I'M TIRED. >> THIS IS GOING ON FOREVER, THIS DESCRIPTION. >> I'M SORRY. IT'S A RADIUS OF 50 FEET AND ANGEL OF 57 DEGREES. WHAT IS IT, NICK. 56. >> MINUTE? >> I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE READING. >> CARLTON COURT REVISED MAP OF THE SUBDIVISION WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. PAGE 29 OF THE RECORDS OF ST. LUCIE, FLORIDA. >> STAFF, PROCEED. >> BEFORE YOU HAVE AN ABANDONMENT APPLICATION FOR PART OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY OF CARLTON COURT. IT'S NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AND CARLTON COURT. THE PARCEL LOCATED AT 1100 TO THE SOUTH. THE SUBJECT RIGHT-OF-WAY IS APPROXIMATELY 0.00275 ACRES. PER CITY CODE DASH TWO. NO STREET, AL ALLEY, OR WAY SHOD BE CLOSED. THE PERSON REQUESTING ABANDONMENT OF ANY STREET OR ALLEY SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PAVEMENT ALL COSTS INVOLVED OR VACATING ANY STREET, ALLEY, OR ROAD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. DECEMBER 12, 2022 MEETING. VOTING TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ONE CONDITION PAYMENT OF THE APPRAISED VALUE OF $2,100 FOR THE SUBJECT RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? >> OH, GO AHEAD. >> COMMISSION HAS POSSIBLE FOLLOWING ACTION. APPROVAL OF ABANDONMENT. NO CHANGES OR DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> NOPE. >> ALL RIGHT. >> NOPE. >> OKAY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE COME FORWARD. >> WELL, YOU WAITED ALL NIGHT FOR THIS. WE APPRECIATE THAT. >> SAME AT THE PLANNING BOARD. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. YES >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> MARSHA BAKER. >> THANK YOU. >> I'M REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THE PLAZA. I'DLIKE TO TAKE YOU BACK IN TIME AROUND 50, 60 YEARS AGO. THE AREA WAS BEING USED BY THE MILITARY AS A BASE AT SOME POINT OR ANOTHER I HAD THE MAP, WHICH APPARENTLY IS NOT SHOWN AT THIS TIME. IT SHOWED WHERE EVERYTHING WAS ON THE MILITARY BASE. ON THE WEST SIDE THEY HAD AN INSTALLATION THAT APPEARED TO BE FROM THE MAP I HAD SHOWN AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING WATER TANKS. WHEN THEY CONVEYED THE PROPERTY TO FORT PIERCE CONSTRUCTION CORPORATION, THEY HAD A VERY CONVOLUTED, AS YOU CAN SEE, DESCRIPTION OF THE AREA AROUND THE WATER TANKS. BOTH ON THE WEST SIDE AND ON THE EAST SIDE. SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE, AROUND 50 YEARS AGO PEOPLE THAT CONVEYED THE TITLE OBTAINED AN ORDNANCE. ON THE EAST SIDE BACK TO THE PROPERTY. THEIR TITLE WAS CLEAR OF THIS I [05:40:11] HAD A COPY OF THE ORDNANCE. OVHOWEVER, THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OBTAINED THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT, NEVER TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY AT THE SAME TIME TO GET THEIR SLIVER OF LAND BACK WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TODAY. THE OWNER HAD THE SURVEY AND LEGAL FEES MADE. I DID ALL OF THE RESEARCH AS A FAVOR AND ASKING FOR WAVER OF THE $2,100 SINCE THEY PAID ALL OF THE FEES REQUIREMENT AND SO FORTH IN AND COST. THE CITY HAD NO COST ON THIS MATTER. SO I ASK THAT THE CITY REPEAT WHAT WAS DONE SOME 50 YEARS AGO FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AND DO IT FOR MY CLIENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? ANYONE ELSE? >> OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'LL ASK MS. EARLY IS THAT SOMETHING -- WHAT PROCESS DO WE WAVE THE PRICE OF THE ABANDONMENT. >> SORRY, FORGETTING THE MICROPHONE. THEY DIDN'T SAY ABOUT ABANDONMENT. IT SAID IT MUST BE DONE BY ORDNANCE. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TO DO. IT'S NOT A SURPLUS PROPERTY WE ARE SELLING FOR BELOW MARKET VALUE. >> WE ARE NOT REQUIRED STATUTORILY TO HAVE PAYMENT FOR THAT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. >> I'LL ASK STAFF IS THERE OTHER USAGE FOR THE PROPERTY? >> NONE THAT I KNOW OF. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT SUPPORTED ABANDONMENT. >> COMMISSIONERS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? >> I DON'T LIKE TO SET ANY NEW PRECEDENCES. AT THE SAME TIME THIS IS UNIQUE THEY BROUGHT UP THE GOOGLE MAPS AND IF I'M MISTAKEN THERE IS A DUMPSTER WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ON BEHALF OF THE PLAZA. I DID MY RESEARCH ANY WAY. I'D HAVE TO GIVE SPECIFICALLY WITH PUBLIC WORKS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO AVOID THE PAYMENT PORTION I'D LIKE TO SEE THE DUMPSTER WAS MOVED WITH THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. BASED ON WHAT I'M LOOKING AT MY OWN MAPS MY ONLY COMMENT IS DO THAT. >> ANY OTHER OPINIONS? >> MANY GAINS, HAVE YOU CHECKED OUT? >> I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IT THIS TIME. >> SO WE CAN GET OUT OF HERE. >> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> IT'S CONTINUOUS. I'M NOT SURE HOW IT WORKS >> IS IT IN THERE? SOMEBODY MIGHT BE SLEEPING. I DON'T KNOW. >> IS THERE A MOTION OR DISCUSSION? >> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE PROPOSAL FOR ABANDONMENT. WE APPROVE THIS. >> WE APPROVE -- THE ORDNANCE. ORDNANCE 23017. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHTY. WITH NO NOTHING ABOUT THE PRICE IN YOUR MOTION? >> MADAM MAYOR, I HEARD YOU ASK QUESTIONS AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. ABOUT THE PRICE. YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER SAID MOVING A TRASH CAN OR BIN. [05:45:06] I TOOK IT AS NO ONE ELSE WAS WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE. I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME ANYTHING. ARE WE WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE. >> I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE PRICE. >> I SECOND THAT. >> MADAM MAYOR, MY APPROVAL IS TO APPROVE ORDNANCE 23017. YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE PRICE. >> SECOND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. >> THERE IS NO PAYMENT >> NO PAYMENT. >> YOU CAN HANDEL THE DUMPSTER ON YOUR OWN. >> CALL THE ROLL. [m. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-018: Review and approval of an ordinance of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida; amending Ordinance No. 22-046 in order to correct a scrivener's error of parcel identification within the adopted ordinance; extending the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include one (1) parcel at or near 2605 Kerr Street in Fort Pierce, Florida. FIRST READING] >> OKAY, WE HAVE ORDNANCE 23-018. THIS IS A LEGISLATURE HEARING. ORDNANCE 22-46 WITHIN THE ADOPTED OR NANNIES. IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO INCLUDE ONE PARCEL. THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY PROPERTY ON THE CITY TAX ROLE. COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR TO COLLECT TAXES ON THE DESCRIBED PROPERTY ESTABLISHING THE LAND USAGE. FILING THE ORDNANCE WITH THE OFFICER OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY. SUBMIT TO THE OFFICE OF DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PENDING ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> STAFF. >> GOOD EVENING MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS A BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT THE SITUATION. THE CITY COMMISSION ON JANUARY 3, 2023 ADOPTED THE ORDNANCE. EXTENDING THE OFF-LIMITS OF FORT PIECE. AT OR NEAR 26.05. ORDNANCE NUMBER 22.046. PROPER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER. NO EXECUTION. PERTAINING TO THE ACTION WE MUST AMEND THE ORDNANCE SUBJECT PROPOSED ORDNANCE BY ACKNOWLEDGING THIS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THE CITY COMMISSION IS AN APPROVAL OF THE ORDNANCE. NO CHANGES AND APPROVAL OF THE CHANGES. >> SOMEBODY COMPARED THIS. WE HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER NOW. I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I WORK TO APPROVAL. >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [a. Resolution No. 23-R14 initiating the Interlocal Service Boundary Agreement process with St. Lucie County for annexation of Paradise Park.] >> NEXT IS RESOLUTION 2314 FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. THE SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT ACT INITIATING THE PROCESS FOR ADDRESSING THE ISSUE. >> YES, MA'AM, MADAM MAYOR. WE HAVE OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER THAT WILL SPEAK ABOUT OUR PROPOSED INITIATING RESOLUTION FOR SERVICE BROWN DRY AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE ANNEXATION OFFER A HEALTH PARADISE PARK AND ANOTHER SECTION YOU WILL HEAR ABLE. >> ABOUT. >> OH, WE'LL HAVE TO BE AT WORK FOR THIS. >> YES, PLEASE. >> IT WAS A SHADOW. >> PLEASE, PLEASE, MOVING ON, WE HAVE HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ANNEXATION. WE TALKED ABOUT THE STRATEGY AND THE SERVICE BROWN DRY AGREEMENT IS A WAY TO DO THIS WHILE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. THIS VERY SIMILAR RESOLUTION [05:50:04] CAME BEFORE YOU BACK IN 2018. WE ARE REINITIATING IT. THE RESOLUTION DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY ANNEX THIS PROPERTY. WHY ARE WE DOING ANNEXATION, IT'S OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ENCLAVES AND GAPS SQUARING OFF OUR BROWN BOUNDARIES. THE GARAGE TRUCKS GOING UP-AND-DOWN THE ROAD. PARADISE PARK. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE YES, MYELLOWHIGHLIGHTED AREA. THIS IS WHAT WAS SENT TO THE CITY. THESE ARE COUNTY PARCELS THAT ARE NOT ANNEXED. THIS IS JUST -- >> SWISS CHEESE. >> YES, MA'AM. >> THE BOTTOM IN JAUNITA. >> IT'S THROUGH THE MIDDLE THE SECTION THAT WAS AMPED UP IS THIS AREA CALLED FIESTA HILL, DID ANYONE KNOW THAT? I DIDN'T EITHER. >> I DIDN'T EITHER. >> FIESTA HILL. IS THERE SOMETHING ON IT? IS IT A HILL? >> IT'S A SAND DUNE. THERE ARE HOMES CONSIDERED PARADISE PARK. THE REASON WE CREATE THIS AREA IS NOT ADDITIONAL ENCLAVES. WE ANNEX THIS AND HAVE AN ENCLAVE HERE. THERE ARE 200 PARCELS. THERE ARE 30 COUNTY OR COUNTY OWNED PARCELS WITHIN THEM. THERE ARE 33 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES WE'LL AN GOOD QUEANNEX.THE RECOMMENDATION IS E THE RECOMMENDATION. WE'LL BRING THIS TO RESTART THE CONVERSATION WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> HOW DO YOU ACCESS FIESTA HILL? >> THE PUBLIX IS RIGHT HERE. THIS IS 13TH AND SAND RIDGE. >> SAND RIDGE. >> YOU HAVE AN APPROVED SITE PLAN FOR THIS. >> THAT'S A HILL. >> SURE IS. >> FIESTA HILL. >> FIESTA HILL. >> WE ARE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. >> OKAY, I LIKE THAT. >> MY ONLY COMMENT IS INITIATE THIS. WE SPOKE ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME. WE TRIED THE PROCESS ONE. LET'S FOLLOW THE STATUTE AND RESPOND EVEN IF WITH HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH. REARE REQUIRED. >> THEY DID RESPOND LAST ANYTIME THERE WAS NOTHING THAT PERTAINED TO WHAT WE REQUESTED. >> COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE NEWER DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? >> UH-HUH. >> YEAH, THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS SEVERAL TIMES. >> OKAY. >> LET'S VOTE. [b. Resolution No. 23-R15 appointing Betty Bradwell as Mayor Hudson's representative on the Police Community Advisory Board.] THE RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION CERTIFYING THE MEMBERS OF THE POLICE COMMITTEE AND PROVIDE A SPECIFIC DATE. THAT WILL APPOINT MS. BRADWELL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> MOTION TO SECOND. [c. Resolution No. 23-R16 adopting City of Fort Pierce Rules and Regulations] PERSONNEL RULES IN 13R06. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY LEAD INTO [05:55:03] THIS? >> YES. SOME MONTHS BACK WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE AMENDMENT OF THE RULES AND WE HAD ADDITIONAL FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. HUMAN RESOURCES AND ALSO REVIEWED RULES. THEY RESOLVE THE QUESTIONS. WE'LL QUICKLY GO OVER THOSE AMENDMENTS. >> GOOD EVENING AND COMMISSIONERS. WE WOULD LIKE TO CONCLUDE THE UPDATE AND AMENDMENT TO THE RULES. IT'S 1504 AND THIS IS EMERGENCY POLICY AS FAR AS HURRICANE AND WE CLEARED THAT ONE. >> ARE YOU MOVING THROUGH THE POWERPOINT. >> OH, YES, MA'AM. I'M SORRY. >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT, WE ARE ALL TIRED. >> NOTIFIES THEM AT WHAT RATE THEY WILL APPROVE THE LEAVE. PAYMENT OF UNUSED VACATION LEAVE. UPON TERMINATION AND SEPARATION PAYMENT WILL BE MAID TO 360 HOURS. >> COMPLIES WITH STATE LAW, RIGHT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> SICK LEAVE CONVERSION PROGRAM, THIS IS NOTIFYING EMPLOYEES THEY HAVE 128 SICK LEAVE HOURS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM. IN THE SMOKING AND E-CIGARETTES WE UPDATED THE LANGUAGE AND EMPLOYEES MIGHT NOT SMOKE INSIDE CITY VEHICLES. CITY BUILDINGS OR INSIDE ANY INDOOR WORKPLACE. THOSE WHO CHOSE TO SMOKE CAN ONLY DO IT ON THIS THEIR DESIGNATED BREAK AND IF ON CITY PROPERTY THE AREA DESIGNATED FOR SMOKING. THEY WILL NOT BE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL BREAKS. SMOKING INCLUDES CIGARETTES AND PRODUCTS AND E-CIGARETTES AND VAPEING. THOSE INTERSECTIONS WERE UPDATED AND THE EMPLOYEES WILL RECEIVE THEM ON THE WEBSITE AND SHEETS THEY HAVE RECEIVED WITH THE RULES AND REGULATION. >> STAFF >> GO AHEAD IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION. >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A MOTION. >> I SECOND IT. >> MOTION AND SECOND. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMIS [d. Resolution No. 23-R18 appointing Althea Wilson as the IRSC Representative on the Sunrise Theatre Advisory Board.] >> REHAVE RESOLUTION 23 RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION CERTIFYING THE APPOINTMENT TO THE SUNRISE ADVISORY BOARD AND PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> MOTION >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. [14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.] >> HELLO, STATE YOUR NAME AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING TO TALK TO US. >> I SHOULD SAY GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS KATINA MOORE. I HAVE BEEN IN FORT PIERCE ALL OF MY LIFE. IT'S 47 YEARS THE 18TH OF THIS MONTH. I HAVE A FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN HERE ALL THE OF THEIR LIVES WHICH IS THE ENGRAMS. I CAME HERE TO SPEAK PON SOMETHING THAT IS DEAR TO MY HEART. THE REASON I'M COMING IS BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT HAPPENED TO A YOUNG WOMAN THAT WASN'T ONLY A WOMAN. SHE WAS A SISTER. THIS YOUNG WOMAN O BRYANT, I'M COMING TO BE A VOICE TO SOMEONE WHO FLOW LONGER HAS THE VOICE. THE REASON I'M HERE IS TO ADVICE YOU THAT YOU ARE OUR FIRST STOP. WE ARE NOT ONLY GOING TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BUT THE [06:00:02] COUNTY. WE NEED TO HAVE ANSWERS WE NEED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF POLICY AND PROCEDURE. THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE NOT ONLY TO HELP THIS FAMILY BUT OTHERS. LIVING IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA AND HAVE CHILDREN NOT ONLY ON 13TH STREET GOING TO THE FOOTBALL GAMES, BASEBALL GAMES -- GOING TO CENTRAL AND WEST WOOD GAMES. I'D HAVE TOO DO THE SAME THING WHEN I CAME INTO YOUR BUILDING. WHAT I'M ASKING YOU. THIS IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SAY. SITTING HERE LISTENING TODAY, I SIT HERE AND I LISTEN TO MULTIPLE PEOPLE COMING UP AND SAY HOW THEY WANTED TO EXPAND, HOW THEY WANTED TO GROW THE CITY OF FORT PIECE AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING. WHAT ABOUT THE RESIDENCE THAT WERE HERE WE ARE THE ONES THAT BUILT UP THIS PLACE. THE ENGRAMS ARE THE BIGGEST AND OLDEST FAMILIES IN FORT PIERCE. BECAUSE OF MY FAMILY, I REACHED OUT TO HER FAMILY. YOU KNOW WHY OUR DAUGHTER'S ARE BEST FRIEND. THEY WILL ALWAYS BE BEST FRIENDS. WE CAN STILL HAVE GOOD TIMES. >> I'M SORRY, YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? >> YES, I DO. I'M NITETA. WHITE. I'M THE MOTHER OF THE YOUNG WOMAN THAT DIED FROM THE SHOOTING. EVERYTHING SHE SAID WAS TRUE. THERE MUST BE A POLICY OR SOMETHING. SOMEBODY DROPPED THE BALL SOMEWHERE. IT SHOULD BE ALIVE TODAY. THERE SHOULD BE A WARE WHO SHOT HER. THERE IS NO CAMERAS OUT THERE. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME SOMETHING HAPPENED AT THE PARK. MULTIPLE FIGHTS OUT THERE. WHY ARE THERE NO CAM AS. TWO OFFICERS, WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THE VENDOR COUNCIL AFTERTHAT. LET'S GO OUT AND CHECK IT IN PLACE BEFORE THE EVENT HAPPENS. MY DAUGHTER DIED. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE. I GUESS WE HAVE TO START HERE. >> WE WON'T STOP. >> I WOULDN'T STOP FIGHTING FOR JUSTICE. I WOULDN'T STOP FIGHTING FOR A CHANGE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE IT. >> WE HEARD YOUR VOICE. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> GOOD EVENING, GOOD MORNING, GOOD NIGHT. I'M WITH NEW LIFE CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP CHURCH AND NEW LIFE CHANGING INFORMATION. I STAY TONIGHT BECAUSE I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PLEASE FORGIVE ME MADAM COMMISSIONERS. I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR NOMINATING. OVER THE PAST 2.5 CHOIRS I SEVERED IN THAT CAPACITY. THEY TOOK OVER THE COMMISSION AT THIS POINT. I'D ALSO COME TO SAY TWO THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE BEEN IN PARADISE PARK. FROM THE TIME WE HAVE BEEN ANNEXED. I WAS UNDER THE ANNEX WE WOULD MOVE FROM SEPTIC TANKS TO SEWAGE. RIGHT NOW, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. I FINALLY UNDERSTOOD WHY MY GARAGE IS LEFT. IT'S BECAUSE THERE WAS CONFUSION [06:05:01] I'M ONE OF THE ANNEXED PEOPLE. SECONDLY, I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE U.S. COMMISSION. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I HAVE HEARD OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS ANNEXING, ANNEXING, ANNEXING. WHEN YOU CONSIDER THIS PLEASE CONSIDER LOOKING AT ADDING ADDITIONAL FUNDING. I KNOW YOU MOVED THE OFFICES. IT'S TRAINED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPENSATED FOR THE WORK THEY DO. IF I LOOK AT THE FIGURES. I'LL PROVIDE THE SAME NOW FOR FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO. WE HAVE EXPANDED WEST AND SOUTH. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. IT'S LIKE GOING TO THE G DOCTOR. WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR BUDGET MEETING. THEY ARE FIRST RESPONDERS AND NEED A DECENT SALARY. IT NEEDS TOE BE MORE. YOU HAVE THE BEST RETIREMENT PLAN, IT'S RETENTION. I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AS I LEAVE THAT COMMITTEE. I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. AS I SAID IN THE LETTER TO THE MAYOR. I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. I'M ON FIRE NOW. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR STAYING. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? CLOSE TO PUBLIC HEARING. [15. COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER] WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT THING. >> CITY MANAGER. >> MADAM MAYOR, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY STAFF AT THE MEETING WE SPOKE ABOUT A FEW ITEMS WE'D DISCUSS AT THE BOARD MEETING. THOSE ITEMS, BEFORE I GET INTO THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT HAVING A REVISED MEETING DATE. PREVIOUSLY WE HAD A DATE FOR FEBRUARY 28TH. IT'S BEEN PUSHED BACK AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY. IT'S SET FOR MARCH THE 28TH. AS YOU KNOW, MR. LAUNDRY WAS SELECTED TO BE THE NEXT COUNTY ADMIT STRAIGHTER AND I BELIEVE IN HIS CONTRACT IT'S COMING UP AT THE NEXT COUNTY MEETING. THEY WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SETTLE IN AND THEN ACTUALLY BE THE, I GUESS, I'M SORRY, THE CEO FOR THE COUNTY AT THE NEXT MEETING. MARCH 28TH HAS BEEN SELECTED. WE IDENTIFIED A NEUTRAL LOCATION AT THE COLLEGE AND I BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN RESERVED AT THIS TIME. THE MEETING AGENDA ITEMS WOULD INCLUDE DOWNTOWN PARKING ABOUT THE VERBAL ANSWER VISION. IF THERE IS VISION AND MOVING, STAYING, OR THERE WILL BE SOME DISCUSSION ACT THIS. ALSO MORE SO TALKING ABOUT HAWK POINT PARK. THE UPDATE WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS. WE WILL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT ANNEXATION AND MORE SO ABOUT THE STRATEGY OF WHICH WE ARE ANNEXING AND ALSO, IDENTIFYING ENCLAVES THAT CAN CLEAR UP OUR BROWN DRIES AND CREATE CONSISTENT DELIVERY OF SERVICE. ALSO TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES. WE COLLECTED THEM FOR THE COUNTY SUCH AN JENKINS AND HARTMAN. WE EXPERIENCE GROWTH ON THE FRINGES OF THE CITY. WE IDENTIFY THOSE ROADS. IMPACT ROADS AS A WHOLE. THEN, IT'S A MIND BLOCK. THEY MENTIONED THEY ARE READY TO START MOVING FORWARD WITH JOINT PROCUREMENT OPERATIONS AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE AVENUE SEX. THERE WAS A POLICE STATION AND JAIL TORN DOWN. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON KNOWS THAT AREA INTEMMENTLY. NOW THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DIVISION MOVED INTO A FAMILY SUCCESS CENTER AND THAT'S THE OLD HEALTH DEPARTMENT SOMETHING R THERE ARE VISIONS OF HAVING SOME SORT OF THINGS THAT COULD ENCOMPASSES. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. PLEASE, I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOU. [06:10:07] MARCH 28TH IS T PROSPECTIVE DATE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHTY, COMMENTS FROM THE [16. COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION] COMMISSION? I HAVE NONE, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY? >> NO, MA'AM. >> I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING MADAM MAYOR. MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, YOU HEARD WE HAD 10 MINUTES TO GO THE PASSION AND PLEAS OF A MOTHER. I DO NOT KNOW AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW THE GRIEF SHE'S GOING THROUGH. I AM STILL EMOTIONAL. I'M STILL UPSET ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. I TELL THEM TO COME IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, YOU COME SAY IT BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE THAT TALK ABOUT IT THEY KNOW IT'S ANOTHER IT'S A TRAGEDY THAT WE FORGET ABOUT. FOR SOME REASON MADAM MAYOR. THIS ONE HIT ME AND TOUCHED MY SOUL. I TOLD MS. MOORE AND THE MOTHER WHEN IRAN OUT THERE AND SAW THE FEAR IN SOME OF MY PLAYERS RUNNING TO ME, I MEAN I FELT USELESS. NOT AS A COACH BUT MALE IN THE COMMUNITY. THE MORE WE TALK ABOUT IT. I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. WE DO HAVE A DATE. I'D LOVE TO SEE UNDER THE LAW AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IF SOMETHING IS GOING ON AT ONE COUNTY PARK. WE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT IN THE JURISDICTION. SOMETHING TO THAT MAGNITUDE IT'S GOING ON. IT'S IN PLACE JUST TO LET US KNOW AND EVEN IF WE CAN'T GO ON THE PARK ITSELF BECAUSE IT'S A CONTACT. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND CONTRACT LAWS. IF I KNOW, THOUSAND PEOPLE OR 500 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE FOR AN AMOUNT OF TIME. I CAN ASK THE CITY MANAGER. CAN WE DO MORE DRIVING. JUST DRIVE BY. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY. WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY. I'LL SAY THIS. UNTIL WE GET A FIX ON PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE. IT'S GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT. EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OUT WEST. IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET PEOPLE TO COME TO THIS DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN YOU KNOW, I SPOKE TO THE CITY MANAGER AND I'M DEALING WITH THE SITUATION NOW. IT'S EFFECTIVE YOUTH PROGRAMS OWN FORT PEERS. THEY ARE NOT USING THIS INCIDENT AS AN EXCUSE. [06:15:03] THIS IN FORTH PEERS. IT'S STILL EMOTIONAL. I COMMEND THE MOTHER. I TOLD HER, WE HAVE A SIT-DOWN. I DON'T WANT TO THINK -- IF I SIT-DOWN I'LL START CRYING. WE SPOKE ON THE PHONE AND TALKED. I COMMEND HER SITTING HERE. FIVE HOURS. TO TALK ABOUT HER DAUGHTER. THEY CAN DO SOMETHING TO HELP, SO, WE HAVE BEEN HERE LONG. I'M NOTARYING. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN, THE RESIDENCE OF FORT PIERCE. IN DISTRICT ONE. IF WE CAN SEE AN AGREEMENT THERE. YOU KNOW, IT'S ALSO THERE AND THE CITY MANAGER WAS THERE. EVERYTHING WAS GOOD. EVERYTHING JUST BROKE OUT. YOU KNOW, I'LL BE QUIET. TO THE MOTHER THAT'S HERE TONIGHT. I MEANT WHAT I SAID. I'LL TALK TO YOU. I'M STILL OUT NOW. HITTING HOUSES AND PEOPLE THAT I KNEW WAS THERE. I HAVE BEEN TOLD I'M PUTTING MYSELF IN DANGER. I CAN'T STOP. I WAS ELECTED TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF DISTRICT ONE. THAT INT INTURN PROTECTS THE RESIDENTS. THEY HAVE ENCOURAGED THE THOSE IN FRONT OF US. AND, YOU REALLY NEED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHO YOUR DAUGHTER WAS. YOU KNOW, SHE WAS A WEEK OR TWO WEEKS PEOPLE KNOW THIS. IT WASN'T JUST A PRETTY FACE ON SOCIAL MEDIA WE NEED IT'D. IT'S BEEN A LONG NIGHT. I GET OFF MY SOAPBOX. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING IN TO STAND IN FRONT OF US AND SAY WHAT YOU SAID * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.