[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] >> WE ARE GOING TO OPEN THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE. PLEASE RISE FOR PLEDGE OF ALIE JAHNS. ... ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> I BELIEVE MOST ALL OF US HAVE ONE OF OUR BRAINS IN OUR HANDS, OUR POCKETS. PLEASE TURN THEM OFF. I TOLD ONE OF OUR-- I OPENED ONE OF THE MEETINGS, EXPLAINING HOW TO TURN IT OFF. THAT WAS THE MEETING MINE RANG. (LAUGHTER) I'M NOT DOING THAT ANYMORE. AL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MR. EDWARDS? >> MS. CLEMONS? >> HERE. >> MS. DANIEL? MR. ALBURY? >> PRESENT. >> MR. KREISL? >> PRESENT. >> MR. HEANING? [4. CONSIDERATION OF ABSENCES] >> PRESENT. CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> PRESENT. HAVE WE GOTTEN PHONE CALLS? >> NO. EVERYBODY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO BE TO BE IN ATTENDANCE, >> WE WILL CARRY ON WITH THE MEETING AND ADDRESS THIS LATER. I BELIEVE MR. FREEMAN HAS A COMMENT CONCERNING ONE OF OUR-- HE IS AN EXFISH YEAH DOE. >> THAT'S RIGHT, YES. FOR THE BOARDS AND ATTENDEES' INFORMATION, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF SCHOOL DISTRICT, MARTY SANDERS HAS E-MAILED STAFF TODAY SAYING HE CAN'T MAKE THIS MEETING. HE HAS LOOKED TO THE ITEMS. HE HAS NO CONCERNS WITH ANY OF THE ITEMS ON TODAY'S AGENDA. >> VERY GOOD. MR. EDWARDS JUST SAT DOWN. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. CLEMONS. SECOND BY MR. ALBURY. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MR. ALBURY? >> YES. >> MR. KREISL? >> YES. >> MR. HEANING? >> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS? >> YES. >> MS. CLEMONS? >> YES. >> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES, MA'AM. I WAS GOING TO MOVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS AROUND TODAY, BUT I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO DO THAT. I WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT IN CASE ANYBODY OVERHEARD ME CONTEMPLATING IT. SOMETIMES I TALK TO MYSELF OUT LOUD, AND I GET REALLY STUPID ANSWERS NORMALLY. I'M STILL DOING IT. I JUST CAN'T BREAK MYSELF OUR FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ITEM [a. Annexation - Weatherbee - Parcel ID: 3403-502-0015-000-5] 6-A. ANNEXATION OF WEATHERBEE PARCEL 3403-5 # 02-0015-0005. I SHOULD HAVE LET YOU DO THAT. >> ALL RIGHTY. PLANNING BOARD, CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU IN AN APPLICATION FOR A AN ANNEXATION OF PARCEL, THE APPLICANT IS REDTAIL DESIGN GROUP. THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE HOFFMAN LIMITED FAMILY PARTSER INSHIP. IN SUMMARY, THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION FOR AN ANNEXATION OF ONE PARCEL INTO THE CITY WITH THE CITY FUTURE LAND USE OF RM, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE CITY ZONING OF R-4, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS THE SITE LOCATION IN QUESTION WITH THE SITE AREA OF ABOUT 6.94, GIVE OR TAKE, ACRES. THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE CURRENTLY IS A RESIDENTIAL HIGH. 15 UNITS PER ACRE. IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. IT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THAT IS A REDUCTION IN THE INTENSITY. 12 UNITS IS THE MAXIMUM OF UNITS ALLOWED WITH THE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL INSTEAD OF 15. THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING, CURRENTLY, IT IS ZONED RM-11 RESIDENTIAL BEING THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY ZONING PROVMENT POSED IF THE R-4 MEDIUM ZONING. AGAIN, THAT IS A REDUCTION. [00:05:03] THE RECOMMENDATION-- STAFF RECOMMENDS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO MOVE THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION TO CITY COMMISSION. THE AL EARN THE TY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE BOARD CAN GIVE TODAY IS A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER, FOR THE RECORD, MS. DANIEL ENTERED THE ROOM. >> YES. I SAW THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE, MS. DANIELS. >> THANK YOU. >> I SEE THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAD ASKED WHAT WAS GOING TO BE DONE WITH THIS PARCEL. DID WE GET AN ANSWER ON THAT? >> YES. AS THE A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. >> OH. I WOULD THINK SO, BEING THE ZONING, BUT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT APARTMENTS AT SOME POINT? >> IT WOULD BE MULTIFAMILY. THE SPESKTS ABOUT IF IT IS GOING TO BE APARTMENTS OR TOWNHOMES WAS NOT STATED. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION THAT WAS ON THE SHEET. I THOUGHT I WOULD ADDRESS IT. I LOOK SMART THAT WAY. YOU KNOW? WHEN NOBODY ELSE HAS COMMENTS, IT IS REALLY EASY TO FIND ONE TO ASK ABOUT. (LAUGHTER) OKAY. BOARD, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS ITEM, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. AS RYAN MENTIONED, WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING THIS AS A MULTIFAMILY PROJECT. AND THEY ARE WORKING THROUGH THE ARCHITECTURE IDEAS RIGHT NOW. TO BE ABLE TO DO A NICE LITTLE PROJECT. TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE A MYRIAD OF USES THERE ALONG THE U.S. 1 AREA. I KNOW KEVIN KNOWS AS WELL, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE ANNEXATIONS AND WE MAKE SURE WE ARE SQUARING THINGS UP. THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, OUR SOUTHERN BORDER IS THE COUNTY WITH THE PRESERVE AREA THAT THEY HAVE. IT MAKES FOR A NICE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A NICE LITTLE DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA. THE CITY WILL BE PUTTING LAND USE AND ANNEXATION ON. THAT THIS IS AN ANNEXATION TO THE CITY. IT SHOULD BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND EASY. I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. OTHER THAN THAT, I'M GLAD TO BE HERE. >> THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL ON THE YOU HAVE APARTMENT RESIDENTIAL ON THE WEST SIDE. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS ANYTHING IN BETWEEN THIS PARCEL AND THE APARTMENTS. >> THERE IS-- TO THE WEST YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? >> YES. BORDERLINES ARE SHARED. >> NOTHING TO THE NORTH RIGHT NOW. IT IS UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY. TO THE SOUTH, IT WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE COUNTY'S PRESERVE AREA. TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE A LITTLE-- YOU HAVE AN ARE. V. PARK. YOU HAVE LAND ROVER. OFF COUPLE OF CAR DEALERSHIPS THERE WITH THE BMW -- >> OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? >> DO YOU HAVE ANY PRELIMINARY IDEA OF HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS YOU ARE LOOKING AT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? >> YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STARTED WORKING THROUGH SOME CONCEPTUAL PLANS FOR IT. WE DON'T HAVE A NUMBER YET. YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE SOMEWHERE IN THE 70S OR 80 TOTAL UNIT. IT HAS TO MATCH SORT OF THAT AREA AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. WE HAVE BEEN FOCUSING MORE ON PERHAPS THE SIZE OF THE UNITS AS WELL AS MAYBE THE ARCHITECTURE-- THE ARCHITECTURAL FEEL. FOR A SITE, WHEN WE DO A DEVELOPMENT, WE HAVE TO BE IN STRONG CONSIDERATION OF THE STORMWATER COMPONENTS. SITE TO STORMWATER. THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE STORMWATER POND BEGINS TO ALSO CAUSE US TO LOOK AT THINGS IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WE CAN PUT IN PLACE-- THE FIRE ACCESS. TRYING TO DEVELOP USUALLY PROBABLY A U-LOOP. YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING THAT WILL HAVE TWO POINTS OF ACCESS. IT WILL COME IN ON THE ONE SIDE. IT WILL COME DOWN AROUND THE BOTTOM, MAKE A UR AND U AND KICK BACK OUT ON TO WEATHERBEE ROAD. THAT IS PROBABLY THE SHAPE YOU WILL SEE WITH UNITS ON EITHER SIDE OF. THAT AND THEN A STORMWATER POND IN THE MIDDLE RUNNING NORTH TO SOUTH. YOU WILL HAVE A CLUBHOUSE. TYPICAL AMENITY THAT IS COME INTO PLAY. SOME PLAYGROUND FEATURES. AND PERHAPS A POOL. READY TO MOVE IN? (LAUGHTER). >> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> GREAT. THANK YOU ALL. APPRECIATE THE TIME. >> ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS? NOT SEEING ANYONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. NOT HEARING ANY,LY ENTERTAIN A [00:10:02] MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. WHO SECONDED? MS. CLEMONS. >> YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE UP. >> OKAY. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MR. ALBURY? >> YES. >> MR. KREISL? >> YES. >> MR. HEANING? >> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS? >> YES. MS. CLEMONS? >> YES. >> MS. DANIEL? [b. Conditional Use - Techno Arts Academy - 2817 Peters Road] >> YES. >> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES, MA'AM. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE LIST IS ITEM 6-B. THAT IS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE ARTS ACADEMY AT 2817 PETERS ROAD. ARE YOU THE ONLY PRESENTER TODAY? >> NO. >> OKAY. >> JUST PRESENTING THE MAJORITIMENT. >> I SEE MR. GILMORE HIDING OVER THERE. OKAY. >> PLANNING BOARD, CHAIRMAN, TODAY BEFORE YOU IS AN APPLICATION FOR TECHNO ARTS ACADEMY. THE APPLICANT IS DAWN HAUPTNER, C.E.O. OF ISTEAM, INC. THE PARCEL ID IS 232431100050001. IN SUMMARY IN, ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 12576 AND 125133 OF THE CITY CODE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR A CHARTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOCATED AT 2817 PETERS ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO OPERATE THE SCHOOL IN AN EXISTING STAND-ALONE 11,346-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING. 7 CLASSROOMS, A MAIN OFFICE, FOUR BATHROOMS, A TEACHER LOUNGE AND CAFETERIA. THERE WILL BE NO FOOD COOKED ON THE PREMISES. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A PHASED GROWTH OF THE SCHOOL STARTING WITH APPROXIMATELY 1 126K-2. EACH YEAR, A GRADE WILL BE ADDED UNTIL AN APPROXIMATE 320 KINDERGARTEN THROUGH FIFTH GRADE STUDENTS ATTEND THE SCHOOL. THE SCHOOL WOULD EMPLOY AROUND 25 STAFF MEMBERS AND SCHOOL HOURS WOULD BE BETWEEN 7:00 A.M. AND 4:00 P.M. THIS IS THE SITE LOCATION IN QUESTION WITH THE SITE AREA IN TOTAL BEING 18.27, GIVE OR TAKE, ACRES. THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PARCEL IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL, AND THE ZONING IS ALSO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THIS IS A SITE PLAN OF THE WHOLE PLAZA. THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE IN THE MIDDLE IS THE PROPOSED SCHOOL. THIS IS A FLOOR PLAN OF THAT BUILDING. WITH A MORE DETAILED FLOOR PLAN BEFORE YOU. THIS IS A DIAGRAM OF THE PICKUP AND DROP-OFF AREA FOR THE SCHOOL. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO VOTE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE TO MOVE TO CITY COMMISSION. THE ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE BOARD CAN GIVE TODAY ARE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? BY THE BOARD? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ANYONE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DAWN HAUPTNER. I'M THE C.E.O. OF ISTEAM, INC. DOING BUSINESS AS TECHNO ARTS ACADEMY. >> IS THERE A SIGN-IN SHEET ON THE PODIUM? >> YES. YES. >> IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE, SIGN IN. HELLO. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR OUR SCHOOL. JUST TO GIVE YOU BACKGROUND. WE WERE APPROVED LAST YEAR BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO OPEN A SCHOOL IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. WE CHOSE FORT PIERCE. WE HAVE A VERY SPECIALIZED PROGRAM, VERY TECHNOLOGY-BASED AND ARTS-BASED. WE ALSO HAVE... WE ARE GOING TO BE A LITERACY-INTENSIVE SCHOOL. WE WILL BE OFFERING THE LONGEST LITERACY BLOCK THAT NOBODY ELSE IS DOING. WE WILL BE DOING 150 MINUTES OF LITERACY PER DAY FOR EVERY STUDENT, AND THEN OFFERING COMPUTER SCIENCE AND THE ARTS. WE WILL BE RUNNING A LITTLE BIT LONGER SCHOOL DAY TO ACCOMMODATE WITH THE LONGER LITERACY BLOCK. AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT SERVING FORT PIERCE AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY ELSE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. >> YOU ARE STARTING OFF WITH A [00:15:09] K-2-5. >> YES. YES. WE WILL OPEN KINDERGARTEN THROUGH SECOND GRADE. EVERY YEAR, WE WILL ADD A GRADE. >> I SEE HOW YOU ARE DOING IT. OKAY. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR FUTURE EXPANSION? TO EXPAND THE GRADE LEVELS? >> EXPAND THEM PAST FIFTH? >> YES. >> NO. WE ARE JUST GOING TO KEEP AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE. >> OKAY. I SEE HERE ON THE DRAWING THAT THE PLAYGROUND-- PROPOSED PLAYGROUND AREA IS BASICALLY GOING TO CUT OFF THE ABILITY TO PASS THROUGH THE PARKING LOT IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL. IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT WILL, BUT IT WON'T DISRUPT THE TRAVEL FOR OUR DROP-OFF AND PCKUP. IT WILL BE COMING DOWN PETERS ROAD. THEY WILL TURN INTO THE STREET ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THEY WILL GO AROUND, DROP OFF WHERE THE STAR IS. THEY WILL CONTINUE AROUND AND COME BACK OUT TO PETERS ROAD. AND THE REASON WHY WE CHOSE THAT AREA OF THE PARKING LOT IS BECAUSE IT IS AN UNUSED PORTION OF THE PARKING LOT. >> ISOLATED. >> RIGHT. RIGHT. >> I SEE. IS THAT A GATE THAT I SEE ON THE DRAWING? ON THE ENTRANCE SIDE OF THIS PROPOSED TRAFFIC PATTERN? >> THERE ARE NO GATES. THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE OLDER SITE PLAN. WE TURNED IN ANOTHER SITE PLAN THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS THE PLAYGROUND AREA DRAWN IN. I'M SORRY. I NEED MY GLASSES. I CAN'T REALLY SEE THIS. IF THIS IS THE -- >> ON DRAWING NUMBER, NUMBER WHAT? >> OKAY. IT WOULD BE ONE THAT WE TURNED IN AT THE LAST MEETING. THE TRC COMMITTEE-- TRC MEETING. >> 2-9-23. >> THAT WAS NOT PUT INTO THE PRESENTATION. LY PULL IT UP FOR YOU NOW. >> I THINK I HAVE A COPY OF THE DRAWING HERE. THAT DOES NOT SHOW A GATE. I ALSO HAVE A COPY OF A DRAWING THAT DOES SHOW A GATE. >> RIGHT. THE COPY OF THE DRAWING THAT DOES NOT SHOW THE GATE THAT HAS A PLAYGROUND IN IT, THOSE WERE THE SITE PLANS THAT WE JUST RECENTLY HAD DONE TO SHOW THAT THE GATES WERE NOT THERE. AND THAT THE PLAYGROUND WILL BE THERE. >> OKAY. THE GATES ARE GONE. THE PLAYGROUND IS GOING TO BE THERE. ARE YOU GOING TO REMOVE THE ASPHALT? >> NO. WE HAVE -- >> EVERYTHING THAT YOU DISCUSSED IN THE SPECIFICATIONS IS LAYERED ABOVE THE ASPHALT, THEN? >> EXACTLY. THAT IS ACTUALLY DONE BY FEDERAL STANDARDS ON HOW TO PUT A SAFE PLAYGROUND OVER ASPHALT. IT IS PUTTING THESE SPECIFIC LAYERS TOGETHER SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN KIDS ARE ON PLAY EQUIPMENT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY FALL, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HURT THEMSELVES. IT IS A SPECIFIC LAYER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIALS. >> HOW IS THAT ALL HELD IN PLACE? >> IT WILL BE HELD IN PLACE BY A BORDER THAT WOULD GO AROUND IT. >> IN AND THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE FENCED? >> YES. >> OKAY. AND GATED? >> YES. YES. >> I ALSO SAW NOTES THAT YOUR BUILDING WILL BE SECURED. >> YES. WE ACTUALLY JUST HAD THE SAFETY AND SECURITY PEOPLE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE ARE WORKING DIRECTLY WITH THEM. THEY WERE JUST OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY. THEY TOLD US EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO, SO THEY ARE WORKING WITH US AS FAR AS-- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PUT SPECIFIC PYLONS SO PEOPLE CAN'T DRIVE INTO IT. WE HAVE TO PUT THE BULLETPROOF WINDOW TREATMENTS ON IT. WHICH WE HAVE ALREADY HAD THE WINDOW PEOPLE COME OUT. THEY ARE GIVING ME A PROPOSAL ON THAT. WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT COMING OUT ON WEDNESDAY SO WE CAN, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONFIGURE THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. BUT YES, AS FAR AS THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE BUILDING, WE ARE ALREADY WORKING TOWARDS MAKING SURE THAT IT IS A SAFE, SECURE BUILDING. >> YOU ARE MAKING THE LONG-RANGE COMMITMENT TO THIS BUILDING. >> YES. >> YOU WOULD HOPE SO. WOULDN'T YOU? >> YES. I WOULD HOPE SO. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M NOT GOING TO EAT ANY MORE OF THE TIME. THE REST OF THE BOARD, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DO. I NOTICE THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE DOING ON-SITE MEALS. WELL, YOU WILL BE DOING MEALS BUT YOU WON'T PREPARE THEM THERE. >> EXACTLY. >> WILL THEY BE HOT MEALS? >> YES. THEY WILL BE MEAL-- ACTUALLY, I HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SET UP WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE WILL BE CONTRACTING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR OUR BREAKFAST AND LUNCH. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WILL JUST BRING IN WHATEVER THEY ARE HAVING FOR THEIR BREAKFAST AND LUNCH. WE WILL BE ON THE SAME SCHEDULE [00:20:01] AS FAR AS FOOD GOES FOR BREAKFAST AND LUNCH AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THAT A PROCESS THAT IS USED TYPICALLY? >> IT IS BECAUSE-- YOU CAN COOK MEALS ON SITE IF YOU WANT. THERE IS A LOT MORE TO THAT. YOU CAN DO A CONTRACT WITH AN OUTSIDE FOOD COMPANY, BUT THAT IS ALSO-- YOU KNOW, IT IS SO-- IT IS A LOT EASIER TO DO IT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THEN WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE GETTING. IT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IS DOING. >> WE CONSTANTLY GET MORE AND MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT IS INVOLVED IN HERE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, AS WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS. NOT LONG AGO, WE LEARNED SOME NEW THINGS ABOUT WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS DOING WITH SYNERGY. AND THE SHARED EFFORTS. IN FACT, THAT INVOLVED MEALS ALSO. OKAY. VERY GOOD. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? >> ONE. ONE OF THE PAGES IN THE APPLICATION JUST KIND OF LINES OUT WHAT YOU ARE INTENDING FOR EMPLOYEE AND ADDITIONAL PARKING. IS THAT AN AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE COMPLEX LAND OWNER, THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE RESERVED PARKING FOR YOUR FACILITY? IS IT COMMON USE PARKING? >> IT IS COMMON USE. BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER DON'T UTILIZE A LOT OF THE PARKING, HE HAS AN OVERABUNDANCE OF PARKING. THAT IS WHY HE IS ALLOWING US TO DO THE PLAYGROUND IN THAT ONE AREA. IT IS JUST PARKING THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE USED FOR ANYTHING. >> RIGHT. >> THE ONLY BUSINESS REALLY THAT IS GOING TO HAVE PARKING WOULD BE THE SUPERMARKET THAT IS COMING IN. THAT IS REALLY THE ONLY BUSINESS THAT USE IT IS PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER BUSINESSES REALLY-- THEY ARE NOT BUSINESSES YOU WOULD GO TO AND PARK AND SPEND ANY TIME THERE. >> ANYTHING ELSE? NOT HEARING ANYTHING, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. >> THANK YOU. I HOPE I GIVE YOU ENOUGH INFORMATION. >> ABUNDANCE. ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT, PLEASE? NOT SEEING ANYONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. >> A MOTION FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MR. KREISL? >> YES. >> MR. HEANING? >> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS? >> YES. MS. CLEMONS? >> YES. MS. DANIEL? >> YES. >> MR. ALBURY? >> YES. >> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES, MA'AM. [c. Site Plan and Conditional Use with New Construction - Love Ministries Telecom Tower - 3111 Avenue D] NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS 6-C. THAT IS SITE PLAN CONDITIONAL USE WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION. LOVE MINISTRIES TELECOM TOWER AT 3111 AVENUE D. >> ALL RIGHTY. BOARD, CHAIRMAN, TODAY BEFORE YOU IS AN APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE LOVE MINISTRIES TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER. THE APPLICANT IS DEBORAH MARTOHUE, AICP, PROPERTIES OWNERS ARE THE LOVE CENTER MINISTRIES. IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR A TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER LOCATED AT 31 # 1 AVENUE D. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO INSTALL THE UNMANNED WIRELESS FACILITY CONSISTING OF A 199-FOOT MONOPOLE AND ASSOCIATED GROUND EQUIPMENT WITHIN A 60-FOOT BY 60-FOOT SECURE EQUIPMENT COMPOUND WITH ACCESS FROM AVENUE D. THE MONOPOLE IS DESIGNED TO HAVE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR CARRIERS. THIS IS THE SITE LOCATION WITH THE SITE AREA BEING 3.74 ACRES. GIVE OR TAKE. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THE ZONING IS ALSO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED 60 BY 60 AREA RIGHT HERE. THIS IS A MORE DETAILED SITE PLAN WITH THE ELEVATIONS OF THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER. THIS IS A CLOSER SITE PLAN OF THE 60 BY 60-FOOT COMPOUND. AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS TWO CONDITIONS. ONE, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A PERMIT BUILDING APPROVAL, A SURVEY NEEDS TO BE CONDUCTED. TWO, A COMPLETION CERTIFICATION BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, COST ASSESSMENT SHALL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED FOR THE SITE. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO VOTE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE TO MOVE TO CITY COMMISSION WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS. [00:25:02] THE ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE BOARD CAN GIVE TODAY ARE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> WHEN YOU WERE ASKING FOR A TORTOISE COUNT-- THIS IS ONLY FOR THE 60 BY 60 AREA, IS IT NOT? >> YES. >> WE ARE NOT ASKING THIS APPLICANT TO PROVIDE THAT FOR THE ENTIRE PARCEL? >> NO. IT WOULD BE FOR THE AREA THAT IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. >> THE LANDSCAPE, WE ARE ONLY DISCUSSING THE PERIMETER TO HIDE THE FENCE THAT IS GOING TO GO AROUND IT? >> THE LANDSCAPE WOULD ALSO BE ABOUT WHERE THE LANDSCAPE IS GOING TO BE ON THE DEVELOPED AREA. >> OKAY. OKAY. >> NOT THE PARCEL? >> NOT-- I DON'T THINK WITH THE DEVELOPMENT IT WOULD BE F FOR TE ENTIRE PARCEL. IT WOULD BE FOR THE DEVELOPED AREA. >> I MEAN, IT IS A LARGE PARCEL. THERE COULD BE A LOT OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT GOING ON ON THIS PARCEL. SO IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE, I WOULD THINK, TO ASK FOR LANDSCAPING OF THE ENTIRE PARCEL. >> EXACTLY. >> AND THE CONSIDERATION OF THE TURTLES FOR THE ENTIRE PARCEL. WE SAW THIS PROJECT. >> NO. THIS IS IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. THERE WAS A TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER. CLOSER TO 25TH AND MORE NORTH. THIS ONE-- YEAH. AND THIS ONE IS A DIFFERENT ONE BEING PROPOSED AT AVENUE D. >> SO I SAID... I SAT IN ON THIS ONE AT THE TRC MEETING. THAT IS SO FRESH IN MY MIND. I WENT BACK INTO THE PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FROM SEVERAL MEETINGS BACK, AND I COULDN'T FIND IT. I'M THINKING, WHY DO I KNOW THIS SO WELL? YOU KNOW, TRC MEETING. RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE. FOR CONDITIONAL USE, I DON'T HAVE MY TABLE IN FRONT OF ME. WHAT, IF ANY, ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE TO MEET IN ORDER TO SATISFY THE CONDITIONAL USE? IS IT JUST GETTING OUR APPROVAL? >> CONDITIONAL USE IS -- >> FOR THIS INSTANCE. >> CONDITIONAL USE IS JUST A USE THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COMMISSION. IT IS NOT LIKE EACH CONDITIONAL USE HAS SPECIFIC REGULATIONS. IT IS JUST A CONDITIONAL USE NEEDS TO GO BEFORE THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE, THE PLANNING BOARD, AND CITY COMMISSION TO ENSURE THAT USE CAN BE ON THAT PARCEL. >> IF I MAY, IT IS THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSION THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE, LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING USES TO THE CONDITIONAL USE, AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT PARTICULAR USE IS ABLE TO GO ON THAT PROPERTY WITHOUT CAUSING UNDUE HARM OR DISTURBANCE TO THE ADDITIONAL SURROUNDING USES. IF THERE ARE ANY CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE PLACED ON THAT TO ALLOW IT TO BE SITED IN A LOCATION THERE, TO ADDRESS ME AY POTENTIAL ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> AND WE LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR US HERE, CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT ZONES WE SEE IN THE COLOR-CODING HERE? PRIMARILY, SURROUNDING IT IS THE LIGHT ORANGE. IS THAT ALL? I PRESUME THAT IS RESIDENTIAL. RIGHT? >> IT IS. >> WHAT DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS THAT? >> MEDIUM DENSITY. AND THEN OVER HERE, THIS GRAY AREA IS INDUSTRIAL. THEN THESE GREEN ARE R-3 WHICH IS A LESS IMPACTFUL RESIDENTIAL THAN THE R-4. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT SEEING ANY,LY OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. >> I ALWAYS REALIZE HOW VERTICALLY CHALLENGED I AM WHEN I COME TO THE PODIUM. I HAVE TO LOWER THE MIC COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE. LET ME JUST-- I CAN'T MULTITASK. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. MY NAME IS DEBORAH MARTOHUE. I'M WITH MARTOHUE LAND USE LAW. [00:30:02] I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR CASE TODAY. I'M ACTUALLY WITH THE PRESIDENT OF TOWER COM HERE TODAY. GEORGE DAVIS. AND THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY MR. WRIGHT IS ALSO HERE. AND OUR SITE ACQUISITION SPECIALIST JEFF LIND STROM IS HERE WHO HELPED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, OF YEARS, LOCATE WHAT IS A GOOD PARCEL AND ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE COMMUNICATIONS SERVICES TO YOUR COMMUNITY WITH HAVING MINIMAL IMPACT. THAT IS USUALLY A MULTI-YEAR PROCESS. IT DOVE-TAILED NOT ONLY WITH LOOKING FOR ZONING, APPROPRIATE ZONING, BUT WORKING WITH, IN THIS CASE, THE ANCHOR TENANT IS VERIZON. THEIR RADIO FREQUENCY ENGINEERING REQUIREMENTS WHERE THEY HAVE EXISTING SITES, WHERE THEY NEED COVERAGE IMPROVED AND HOW WE COULD PUT IN A FACILITY THAT WILL WORK WITH SOME OTHER THAT IS ARE ALREADY ON THE NETWORK. AND FILL ANY GAPS. THAT IS THE OVERVIEW. THANK YOU. I KNOW RYAN WENT THROUGH QUITE A BIT. I'M GOING TO TRY NOT TO BE REDUNDANT AND I PREPARED MY PRESENTATION AFTER I SAW HIS, TO TRY TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE INSIGHT. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE AERIAL WITH OUR SITE PLAN. YOU SEE IT IN BLACK. ON THE PARCEL AT 311 AVENUE D. YOU CAN GET A SENSE OF WHAT'S AROUND THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY NORTH OF WHERE THE FACILITY WOULD BE. THAT IS ALREADY SOME COMMERCIAL USE. TO THE WEST IS INDUSTRIAL. LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USES. TO THE SOUTH, IS UNIMPROVED AVENUE C. AND THEN A LARGE VACANT AREA BEFORE YOU GET TO CANAL. THEN MORE SOUTH OF THAT, I DON'T THINK THAT IS IN YOUR JURISDICTION, IS SOME RESIDENTIAL. TO THE EAST, THERE IS SOME RESIDENTIAL. IT IS MEDIUM DENSITY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE, IN AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A WHILE. WE FOCUSED A LOT OF OUR PHOTO SIMILARS FROM THEIR A YEAH. -- FROM THAT AREA. OBVIOUSLY, THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN LIVING NEXT TO COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL WEST OF IT. WE DON'T FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE ANY ADDITIONAL IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD. NEXT. THANK YOU. SO I'LL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, BUT IT IS A 60 BY 60 LES AREA. 50 BY 50 OF IT IS THE SECURED FENCED COMPOUND TO ALLOW FOR THE CODE-REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER AROUND IT. WE WILL BE PUTTING IN A 14-FOOT STABILIZED GRAVEL DRIVE. AND WE HAVE ACCESS FROM 311 AVENUE D. WELL, AVENUE D. I'M SORRY. NEXT. YOU CAN SEE WE FAR EXCEED ON THIS TABLE, ANY OF THE REQUIRED SETBACKS REQUIRED BY CODE, AND TO THAT POINT, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT NOT ONLY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE APPROPRIATE SITE AS ZONED PROPERLY UNDER CODE, THAT WE COULD AT LEAST MAKE THIS REQUEST. WE WERE VERY SENSITIVE TO PUT THE COMPOUND AS F WEST-- AS FAR WEST AND SOUTH-- MIDWAY AND FAR SOUTH ON THE SITE. SO IT WAS BEING BUFFERED BY THE COMMERCIAL TO THE NORTH. IT IS NOT AS VISIBLE FROM YOUR AVENUE D. AND IT WAS CLOSER TO THE INDUSTRIAL AND AS FAR AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST AS POSSIBLE. THEN, OF COURSE, THE SITE BELOW. AVENUE C, IT IS HEAVILY WOODED. THAT ACTS AS AN INTERVENING BUFFER TO THE CANAL AND THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH. THANK YOU. AGAIN, THIS IS JUST DATA. WE EXCEED THE CODE REQUIREMENTS DEPTH, ET CETERA.OT WIDTH,- THIS IS THE ENLARGED DETAIL THAT RYAN PRESENTED. WE WILL BE DESIGNED FOR WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT HERE, THE EQUIPMENT PADS FOR FUTURE COMMUNICATION PROVIDERS. VERIZON WILL BE THE ANCHOR TENANT. THEN WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL WITHIN THE SECURITY COMPOUND TO HOST THREE ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATION PROVIDERS. THAT DOES REDUCE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TOWERS IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY WHICH PROLIFERATION OF TOWERS IS NEVER DESIRED. [00:35:01] WE ALWAYS TRY TO BUILD TO CO-LOCATE AND GIVE YOU AS MUCH COVERAGE WITH ONE FACILITY RATHER THAN MULTIPLE FACILITIES. THANK YOU. THE OVERALL TOWER HEIGHT IS 199 FEET. THAT INCLUDES FOUR-FOOT LIGHTNING ROD. AND THERE IS NO F.A.A. LIGHTING REQUIRED. WE HAVE A DETERMINATION OF NO HAZARD. THIS WAS KIND OF HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE CAME-- ENGINEERING NOTIFIED US THAT THERE WAS A CODE REQUIREMENT ALONG AVENUE D FOR A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT. AND IN SPEAKING WITH STAFF, THEY SAID WE COULD COME HERE AND ASK FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA, AND WE HAVE THESE PHOTOS TO SHOW YOU WHY THE CODE DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. IF YOU LOOK NORTH ON AVENUE D, WHICH IS ON MY LEFT, THE GRAPH ON MY LEFT, AND YOU ARE LOOKING EAST, YOU WILL SEE A-- AN EXISTING SIDEWALK ALL ALONG THE NORTH SIDE. OUR SITE IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. >> YOU LOOK AT THE SECOND PHOTOGRAPH, WHERE YOU ARE LOOKING WEST, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK. IT WOULD BE A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE. WE ARE NOT A PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY-- NOBODY IS GOING TO BE WALKING TO OUR SITE. WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO WALK TO OUR SITE. IT IS A VERY SECURE SITE. THERE IS NOTHING THERE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF AVENUE D. THAT ANYBODY WOULD BE WALKING TO. I UNDERSTAND THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS AND THE CODE, IN GENERAL, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU LOOK AT SPECIFIC CASES, IT DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. SO WE WOULD ASK FOR A RECOMMENDATION TO WAIVE THAT REQUIREMENT. THE AERIAL, WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THE NEAREST RESIDENTIAL IS 296 FEET TO THE EAST WHICH IS ABOUT 150% OF THE TOWER HEIGHT. THAT IS OUR CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL. I WILL SAY THE TOWER, CHAIRMAN, THAT YOU REMEMBERED, WE WERE AWARE OF LAST NOVEMBER, HAVING ISSUES, THEY ARE 1.1 MILES NORTH, NORTHWEST OF US. THEY WERE IN A PARCEL-- I'M NOT QUITE SURE, RYAN, WHY IT WAS ZONED COMMERCIAL, BUT IT WAS WHOLLY SURROUND BY LOWER-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THAT IS WHY I'M SURE YOU HAD SOME CONCERNS AND OBJECTIONS. I DON'T KNOW THE ENGINEERING AND WHY THEY WERE SEEKING THAT PARTICULAR-- THAT PARTICULAR APPLICANT WAS SEEKING IT. THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE. THE TOWER HEIGHTS WERE RELATIVELY COMPARABLE. THEY HAD A LOT OF LOWER DENSITY HOMES RIGHT ALL AROUND IT IS. THAT CORRECT, RYAN? >> YES. >> OKAY. NEXT SLIDE. SO WE HAVE SOME PHOTOS-- SIMULATIONS. THIS IS THE KEY MAP. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE FOCUSED IN LARGE MEASURE MORE TO THE EAST, NORTHEAST, EAST, SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE WHERE THE RESIDENTIAL IS MORE APPROXIMATE TO THE SITE. PHOTO TWO, WE WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE CLOSEST INTERSECTION TO THE SITE SO YOU COULD GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE TRAVELING PUBLIC MIGHT SEE COMING DOWN AVENUE D TO THE NORTH WEST. WE WILL START WITH ONE. WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH AS CLOSE AS WE COULD GET TO THE RESIDENTIAL HOME TO THE EAST. IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, WE WILL SHOW THAT ONE. SO THERE YOU CAN-- IT IS VISIBLE. I MEAN, IT CAN'T MAKE THEM DISAPPEAR. AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SLIDES, YOU WILL SEE THIS SLIM LINE DESIGN OF A MONOPOLE ACTUALLY HAS THE BEST ABILITY TO DISAPPEAR INTO THE HORIZON. PARTICULARLY, ON CLOUDY DAYS. BECAUSE THEY ARE GALVANIZED METAL, A VERY NEUTRAL COLOR. IT TENDS TO BLEND INTO THE HORIZON MORE THAN SOME OF THE PAINTED CANISTER-TYPE MONOPOLES WHICH ARE MUCH LARGER IN DIAMETER. THEY CAN BE UP TO TEN FEET IN DIAMETER NOW. THE NEXT-- THIS IS AT THAT INTERSECTION TO THE NORTHWEST. YOU CAN SEE WITH ALL OF THE UTILITIES, THAT ARE RUNNING DOWN AVENUE D AND THAT INTERSECTION, KIND OF JUST BLENDS IN. IT DOESN'T LOOK TOO MUCH DIFFERENT. [00:40:02] SO THIS IS VIEW NUMBER THREE. THIS IS FROM AVENUE B. THIS IS EAST OF THE SITE. AND THE EXISTING TREE COVER WHICH IS EXCELLENT IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA REALLY DOES MITIGATE THE LOWER HALF OF THE TOWER. FROM VIEW. THE NEXT VIEW NUMBER FOUR. AGAIN, THIS ONE IS ON AVENUE D. EAST OF THE SITE. AND NORTHEAST, EAST OF THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE, AGAIN, IT BLENDS IN WITH THE EXISTING UTILITIES THAT ARE ALREADY RUNNING EAST-WEST ON AVENUE D. AND THEN THIS ONE IS EAST, SOUTHEAST. IN THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. ANDAGAIN, WITH THE UTILITY LINES, THE POLES, THE EXISTING TREE COVER, YOU HAVE QUITE A BIT OF MITIGATION OF, IN THIS CASE, PROBABLY ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE LOWER PORTION OF THE POLE. OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T HAVE TREES THAT BLOCK THE ANTENNAS. OTHERWISE, WE CAN'T PROPAGATE OUR SIGNAL. IT IS ALWAYS GOING O BE THE TALLEST THING IN THE ENVIRONMENT. RIGHT? OKAY. NEXT. SO THIS IS JUST SOME OF THE ENGINEERING DATA THAT WE PROVIDE. WHERE THE CLOSEST TOWERS ARE TO THIS SITE. WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED. WHAT THEIR HEIGHTS ARE. THESE WILL BE OUR HANDOFF SITES. THIS PARTICULAR MAP SHOWS YOU WHAT THE CURRENT COVERAGE IS WITHOUT THE EXISTING TOWER. IN THIS CASE, THE GREEN AND KIND OF CHARTREUSE COLOR IS NOT-- IS VERY POOR SERVICE. THE GREEN AREA, YOU MIGHT-- IT IS POOR SERVICE IN A VEHICLE. IT IS NO SERVICE INSIDE A HOME, FOR SURE. YOU MIGHT GET SOME OUTDOOR-- THE CHARTREUSE. YOU MIGHT GET SOME OUTDOOR BUT NOT IN BUILDING. THEN YOU CAN SEE WITH THE IMPROVEMENT, ADDING THAT PARTICULAR TOWER. AT LEAST GIVES YOU IN-VEHICLE OUTSIDE AND SOME IN-BUILDING COVERAGE. IT IS A COVERAGE AND CAPACITY SITE. JUST IN GENERAL, WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP EXIVE-- COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE ARE ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT, SUBJECT TO PUBLIC HEARING REVIEW AND APPROVAL. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR VARIANCES, ALTHOUGH WE ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER FROM THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT. BUT NO VARIANCES FROM ANY SITE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. IT IS AN UNMANNED FACILITY WHICH HAD ZERO IMPACT ON PUBLIC SERVICES IS AND FACILITIES. WE HAVE DONE-- I HAVE HEARD YOU ASK ART ABOUT THE GOPHER TORTOISES. THERE ARE NO ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE CONDITIONS. AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED ANY REASON OR ANY EVIDENCE OF GOPHER TORTOISES. IN TALKING TO RYAN ABOUT WHEN THAT SHOULD BE CONDUCTED, GOPHER TORTOISES MOVE. THEY MOVE FREQUENTLY. SO MY RECOMMENDATION, AND RYAN AGREED, WAS THAT WE DO IT RIGHT BEFORE WE ARE READY TO CONSTRUCT SO THAT THERE IS MINIMAL GAP IN TIME. IF WE IDENTIFY, WE WILL CERTAINLY DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO RELOCATE THE GOPHER TORTOISES. THERE ARE NO CO-LOCATION OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. TRUST ME. FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT. IT IS MUCH CHEAPER TO DO THAT. WE WOULD HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT. I SHOWED YOU THE COVERAGE AND CAPACITY. WE ARE MAKING SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS. WE WILL HAVE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER COMMUNICATION PROVIDERS. AND WE CONCUR WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. AGAIN, SUBJECT TO ASKING FOR THIS BOARD TO RECOMMEND REMOVING OR WAIVING THE SIDEWALK REQUIREMENT. I DO WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK RYAN AND KEVIN AND STAFF FOR WORKING WITH US THE LAST-- I GUESS IT HAS BEEN ABOUT FIVE OR SIX MONTHS SINCE WE FIRST APPROACHED AND STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. OUR STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB. DON'T THEY? >> THEY DID. YES. >> THAT IS A GOOD THING TO SAY IN THIS MEETING. >> OKAY. (LAUGHTER) NO. VERY HONESTLY. >> IT IS HELPFUL. I'M NEW TO YOUR JURISDICTION. THAT IS NICHE SPECIALTY. I WORK ALL OVER THE STATE. EXCEPT FOR NORTH FLORIDA. I NEED TO MAKE FRIENDS AND ASK QUESTIONS AND I KNOW HOW TO READ CODES. SOMETIMES YOU NEED CLARIF CLARIFICATION, AND EVERYBODY HAS BEEN VERY PROMPT IN THEIR RESPONSES AND HELPFUL. I APPRECIATE THAT. STAFF ALL THE TIME. I'M VERY PLEASED TO HEAR THAT [00:45:02] ALL THE POSITIVE COMMENTS. AND I'M SURE THE MAYOR IS GOING TO LOOK IN ON US. EITHER PRESENTLY OR SHE WATCHES THE VIDEOTAPES. SHE WILL BE PLEASED TO HEAR YOUR COMMENT AS WELL. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS. SHOULD THERE BE A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, AND THIS POLE WERE TO CHOOSE TO CHANGE ITS SHAPE IN SOME WAY, DOES THIS POLE-- THESE POLES ARE TYPICALLY DESIGNED TO BREAK OFF AND COME DOWN IN SECTIONS? >> CORRECT. >> AM I CORRECT? >> CORRECT. I DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT IT, BUT THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. WE HAVE SUBMITTED A FALL ZONE RADIUS LETTER FROM A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER. THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS DESIGNED WITH A BREAK POINT AT 47 FEET TO ENSURE THAT IN THE EVENT THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF CATASTROPHIC COLLAPSE, IT WOULD COLLAPSE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PARENT TRACK. I CAN TELL YOU IN DOING THIS FOR 30 YEARS, IT'S PRETTY RARE. IN FACT, I CAN'T THINK OF A MONOPOLE THAT HAS HAD AN ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT TO CODE. THE ONLY ONES I EVER HEAR OF REALLY GETTING DAMAGED ARE GUIDE TOWERS WHICH ARE MUCH TALLER AND LATTICE. WE MIGHT HAVE ANTENNAS TILT AND FALL OFF AND ALL OF. THAT THAT IS THE PART WE HAVE TO GET OUT AND REPAIR. BUT NO, THE MONOPOLES DON'T FLY. THEY DON'T-- THEY DON'T COL COLLAPSE. LIKE SOME PEOPLE USED TO THINK BACK IN '92, WITH ANDREW, THEY WOULD FLY ACROSS THE ROAD AND ALL OF THAT. THEY DON'T. THIS ONE IS DESIGNED TO COLLAPSE WITHIN THE PROPERTY. >> THERE IS AN AREA TO SUPPORT THE FLIGHT OF A POLE LIKE THAT. YOUR CLOSEST POINT BETWEEN THE CENTER LINE OF YOUR PROPOSED AREA AND, I BELIEVE, THIS IS-- OKAY. I BELIEVE THIS IS TO THE SOUTH. 175 FEET. AND THE CLOSEST POINT TO THE WEST IS 45, 47 FEET. >> I THINK IT IS PROBABLY 47. THAT IS OUR COLLAPSE ZONE. >> OKAY. AND THAT IS TO THE COMMERCIAL-- ACTUALLY, THERE IS A CANAL RUNNING ON THE WEST SIDE. THE COMMERCIAL AREA IS ANOTHER PROBABLY HUNDRED FEET AWAY FROM IS THAT CORRECT? . >> YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE SETBACK CHART. >> THERE IS A CANAL RUNNING ALONG THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. >> THE CANAL IS TO THE SOUTH. CORRECT? >> YES. TO THE WEST. >> OKAY. >> SOMEWHERE AROUND 100-FEET RIGHT OF WAY WHERE THE CANAL IS BEFORE YOU GET TO THE NEXT PROPERTY LINE. I WOULD THINK. >> YES. >> IT IS 144 FEET. >> THERE YOU GO. SO YOU ARE A GOOD DISTANCE PRESENTLY FROM ANYTHING THAT THIS MIGHT WANT TO INTERFERE WITH IF THE ENGINEERS ARE WRONG AND THIS THING CAME DOWN IN ONE PIECEMENT. >> CORRECT. I APOLOGIZE. I'M ALWAYS THINKING OF THAT BIGGER CANAL TO THE SOUTH THAT IS SOUTH OF THAT VACANT LAND TO THE SOUTH. AND AVENUE C IS UNIMPROVED DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF US AS WELL. >> YES. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO JUST CHAT ABOUT FOR A MINUTE, REGARDING THIS SIDEWALK ON AVENUE D, WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY ALONG AVENUE D? >> 15 FEET. >> 150 FEET. HMM. I GUESS WHAT'S GOING THROUGH MY MIND HERE, WE'VE GOT AN APPLICANT THAT IS LOOKING TO UTILIZE AN AREA OF 60 BY-- WHAT IS IT? 60 BY 60. SQUARE FEET ON THE EXTREME-- NOT QUITE EXTREME BUT ON THE SOUTHERN WEST-- SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS PARCEL. IS IT NOT UNREASONABLE FOR US TO THINK THAT THIS APPLICANT SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN PUTTING A SIDEWALK ON APP AVENUE D? I FUNS WHAT THE CODE SAYS. MY QUESTION IS REALISTICALLY, IS NOT UNREASONABLE TO THINK THAT? >> THAT IS WHY WE ASKED THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD TODAY AND REQUEST THAT WAIVER. THE CODE IS VERY SPECIFIC, THAT IT WOULD LOOK AT THE 150 FEET AND SAY, YOU NEED TO PROVIDE A FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK OR HAVE A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. PRIMARILY, WE HAVE 95% OF THIS SITE, THIS PROPERTY UNDEVELOPED AS A RESULT OF THIS PROPOSAL. AND AT THAT TIME, ONCE THAT PROPERTY IS FURTHER DEVELOPED, [00:50:02] TO THINK THAT IS THE MORE APPROPRIATE POINT-- I THINK SO, TOO. >> TO ASK FOR A SIDEWALK ON THE FRONT, TOO. >> I WOULD THINK SO, TOO. AT THE VERY WORST, I WOULD THINK THAT WE JUST TAKE WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY IS BEING DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT AND SAY GIVE ME A NICKEL. (LAUGHTER) I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ATTEMPT TO DO IN MOST MUNICIPALITIES. THAT IS, TO COLLECT IN LIEU OF YOUR PUTTING A SIDEWALK. IN YOU ARE RIGHT. IT IS SOMEWHAT UNREASONABLE TO START PUTTING A SIDEWALK THAT GOES NOWHERE. WE HAVE HAD THAT ARGUMENT BEFORE. BUT AS A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES, WE ARE NOT UNLIKE MANY THAT WE COLLECT DOLLARS IN LIEU OF SO WE CAN USE THOSE SIDEWALK DOLLARS TO IMPROVE AIR YACHTS THAT DO NEED SIDEWALKS. I THINK IT IS HIGHLY UNREASONABLE TO IMPOSE THIS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE ON THIS PROJECT. SO IF IT IS WITHIN THE BOARD'S POWER, AND I THINK IT IS, TO PUT A-- ANOTHER ITEM OF CONDITION, THAT THE PAYMENT IN LIEU OF THE SIDEWALK IS NOT NECESSARY IN THIS CASE? THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING THAT IN FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PARCEL. >> YES. WE CAN CONSTRUCT A CONDITION TO THAT EFFECT. >> YOUR DEPARTMENT IS GREAT, WITH THOSE WORDS. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY DO DO THAT HERE TODAY. I DON'T THINK. UNLESS ONE OF MY BOARD MEMBERS WANTS TO ATTEMPT TO DREAM THAT UP. BUT OKAY. I'M DONE. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> FOR KEVIN. WHAT TRIGGERS A DEVELOPER TO HAVE TO BUILD A SIDEWALK. >> THE CODE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL THE CODE UP. IN ESSENCE, THE ONLY TIME A DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS ON A PROPERTY, THEN THERE IS A REQUIREMENT TO-- IF THERE IS NOT AN EXISTING SIDEWALK IN PLACE, THAT A SIDEWALK IS PUT IN PLACE. NOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO THAT. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, APPLICANTS AND THE COUNTY. BECAUSE IN THE CITY, I MEAN, THIS IS ENTIRELY A CITY ISSUE. WE DO HAVE ISSUES IN THE CITY WHERE IT IS A COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY AND A CITY DEVELOPMENT. WE WORK THROUGH ENGINEERING AND THE COUNTY AND COME TO AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE THAT APPL APPLICANT, IF THEY COME IN AND THEY ARE REQUIRED TO DO THIS SIDEWALK, THAT IF THE SIDEWALK IS NOT WITHIN THE CAPITAL PROJECT LIST FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS WITH THE CITY OR THE COUNTY, THEN THEY SHOULD ACTUALLY FILL THAT SIDEWALK. IF IT IS IN THE PROJECT LIST FOR A PROJECT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THEY CAN SUBMIT A PAYMENT IN LIEU. THAT WOULD GO EITHER TO THE CITY OR COUNTY. WHOEVER WAS DOING THE PROJECT. BUT USUALLY, WHEN WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPMENT ON THE PARCEL, IT IS FOR THE WHOLE PARCEL. A HUGE SECTION. AND THIS IS THE 150 FEET OF FRONTAGE. THAT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL COST TO A DEVELOPER TO DO THAT. I THINK THE WEIGHT OF ALLEVIATING THAT COST IS THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WHOLE SITE, RATHER THAN A SMALL PORTION OF THAT. IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE WIDTH OF IMPACT TO THE FRONTAGE OF THIS PROPOSAL IT IS IN EFFECT, A DRIVEWAY. YOU KNOW? AND THERE ARE-- I THINK THERE IS SCOPE IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE THIS REQUIREMENT APPARENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT SUBSEQUENT REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY WOULD REQUIRE SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS, A SIDEWALK TO BE PUT IN PLACE ON THAT PROPERTY. WE-- WE ARE MAKING AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM CITY COMMISSION EARLY THIS MORNING, THAT THERE IS A CONCERN FOR CONNECTIVITY. THE CONCERN FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. AND I THINK FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, WE HAVE TAKEN THE POINT OF BEING QUITE FORCEFUL IN REQUIRING SIDEWALKS WHERE WE THINK THAT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE. AND WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TOO ENGAGE WITH THAT. IT HAS TO BE REALLY SPECIFIC REASONS WHY YOU CAN'T PUT A SIDEWALK IN. MAYBE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY. AS A WHOLE. MAYBE THERE ARE DRAINAGE IMPAIRMENTS TO THAT SECTION. YOU MIGHT HAVE A SWALE THAT PREVENTS YOU. WE DO LOOK AT REASONS WHY YOU CAN'T DO THAT. WE DO ALLOW PAYMENT IN LIEU IN THOSE CASES. SO WE KNOW IT IS PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE OR ENGINEERING SAYS THE COST OF DOING THAT IS SO [00:55:01] PROHIBITIVE THAT WE WOULD TAKE A PAYMENT IN LIEU. SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE WHEN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY RESOLVED, THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIDEWALK PUT IN PLACE. I THINK IN GENERAL, WE ARE MAKING GREAT STRIDES TO INITIATE A BETTER SIDEWALK NETWORK WITHIN THE CITY BECAUSE WE ARE PUTTING THOSE CONDITIONS ON DEVELOPMENT NOW. WE ARE TAKING LESS PAYMENT IN LIEUS NOW. AND IT IS JUST THAT THIS PARTICULAR EXAMPLE IS VERY UNUSUAL. I THINK WE HAVE A SMALL PORTION OF A FAR LARGER LOT SIZE THAT REALLY-- THE COST OF PUTTING THE SIDEWALK IN IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A HUGE PORTION OF THE COST OF PUTTING THIS PLATFORM IN. THAT IS UP TO THE BOARD. >> RIGHT. >> I THINK STAFF, YOU KNOW, IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WOULD SEE THE SIDEWALK GOING IN AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WHEN THIS WHOLE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED AS ONE. >> OKAY. >> COULD I RESPOND REALLY QUICK? I WAS JUST DOING SOME QUICK MATH IN MY HEAD TO HELP YOU. I THINK SITE IS #.74 ACRES. ROUGHLY 160,000 SQUARE FEET. AND OUR LEASED PARCEL IS 3,600. YOU ARE LOOKING AT MAYBE 2% OR LESS OF THE SITE. SO IN A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND ZONING AND PLANNING, WHEN YOU ARE UNDER 5%, USUALLY CONSIDERED A MINIMAL IMPACT. THIS IS AN UNMANNED FACILITY. THERE IS NO-- I JUST WANT TO HELP YOU WITH THAT A LITTLE. >> I'M JUST THINKING IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IF I WERE-- WELL, WHEN I DID WALK OVER THERE A LOT AS A CIVILIAN, MY THOUGHTS OF BEING ABLE TO WALK ON THE OTHER SIDE BECAUSE IT'S SAFETY REA REASONS, IT IS SAFER IF I WERE ABLE TO WALK ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO YEAH, THERE IS NO SIDEWALK TO THE EAST OF THAT PROPERTY, BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, THERE IS A SIDEWALK. THERE IS A CONTINUATION. WHO â– ISTOSAY THATTHE NEXTYEAR OR TWO THAT THE HOUSE ACTUALLY SELLS AND THEN UP COMES MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL. NOW WE ARE CONTINUING A SIDEWALK THERE. TO RULE OUT THE IDEA OF THE SIDEWALK NOW RATHER THAN IN THE FUTURE, THINKING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN NOW AND SEEING FORT PIERCE IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS ON THE WEST. A HUGE DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST. THEN WE HAVE THE KING'S LANDING ON THE EAST. TO SAY THAT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO MAKE A CONNECTIVITY FROM AVENUE D ALL THE WAY UP, IT IS KIND OF LUDICROUS. IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THINGS WILL LOOK COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW? I GET IT. THEY ARE ONLY USING A SMALL PORTION OF THIS LAND. BUT AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DEVELOPMENTS THAT CAME BY, AND WE HAVE JUST RULED OUT SIDEWALKS. LIKE, EACH AND EVERY TIME. WE RULED OUT SIDEWALKS. WHY IS IT IN THE CODE IF IT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE RULED OUT BECAUSE OH, IT CAN BE DUG UP LATER. THE COUNTY IS GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH THE ROAD. SO BASED OFF WHAT YOU TOLD ME EARLIER, IS THE COUNTY DOING ANYTHING FOR CONNECTIVITY ON AVENUE D ON THAT SIDE? ON THE SOUTH SIDE? >> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NO. >> SO AS A CITY, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE ARE DOING OUR PROPORTION TO MAKE SURE THAT, ONCE AGAIN, OUR PEDESTRIANS FEEL SAFE AND ENVIED TO NOT ONLY GO TO THEIR DAY-TO-DAY-- DO THEIR DAY-TO-DAY ERRANDS BUT JUST BE OUT AND ABOUT WALKING, BIKING, AND DOING WHAT THEY NEED TO DO. WHO IS TO SAY THAT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ON APP AVENUE D AND ENGLE ROAD, THAT YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY COMES. IN ARE WE GOING TO WAIVE THE SIDEWALK FOR THAT EARTHQUAKE CONNECTING DOWN ON THAT SOUTH SIDE GOING EAST? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING AND IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE? >> NO. THAT IS NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING. >> NO. BUT I'M SAYING, LIKE, JUST FUTURE-WISE. BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING. ON THAT SIDE. IT WOULDN'T CONNECT TO ANYTHING. WOULD WE WAIVE THAT FUTURE USE [01:00:02] OF IT? >> WELL, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DID NOT WAIVE THAT. >> NO. >> THE QUESTION IS DO THE PLANNING BOARD ACCEPT SUCH WAIVERS? WE ARE INSTRUCTING APPLICANTS NOW FROM THE LAST TWO OR THREE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEES THAT PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S POSITION AND ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT'S POSITION NOTWITHSTANDING WHATEVER NEGOTIATIONS THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD. WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING IS APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN COMING IN, HAVING PREEMPTED THIS BY HAVING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND AGREEING A PAYMENT IN LIEU. AND THEN THE CITY HAS BEEN FACED WITH THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE THAT AGREEMENT IN HAND COMING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL. WE HAVE COMMUNICATED THE FACT WITH THE COUNTY NOW, AND WITH OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WHO ARE TOTALLY IN SUPPORT, THAT WE WILL NOT BE LOOKING TO ISSUE PAYMENT IN LIEU UNLESS WE ARE CERTAIN THAT THAT SIDEWALK CANNOT BE CONSTRUCTED AT THIS MOMENT IN TIME. DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME FORWARD NOW WILL NEED TO DEMONSTRATE IF THEY ARE GOING TO REQUEST THAT WAIVER, THAT THERE IS SOME REALLY OUTSTANDING REASONING WHY THEY CANNOT COMPLETE THAT SIDEWALK LINK YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH THE CITY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS AND LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THE CITY COULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED A SIDEWALK LINK AS PART OF THESE PROJECTS. I THINK AS PART OF MY ANALYSIS OF THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WEREN'T FORCEFUL ENOUGH IN IMPLEMENTING. IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS CONNECTIVITY AND SAFETY. NOW WE ARE GETTING A FULLER DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY. IT IS MORE IMPORTANT. IT WAS ALWAYS IMPORTANT. IT IS NOW VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE SIDEWALKS TO DO THAT. SO I ACCEPT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE INSTANCES, AND I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE WE ARE NOT SAYING THE SIDEWALK WILL NEVER BE CONSTRUCTED. WE ARE NOT SAYING THERE WILL NEVER BE A CONNECTIVITY. WE ARE SAYING IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE. AS THE APPLICANT HAS POINTED OUT, IN A LOT OF PLANNING TERMINOLOGY DEMONEY MUS, THE IMPACT OF THIS IS A MINIMAL IMPACT. WE ARE SAYING IT DOESN'T WARRANT THE APPLICANT BEING FORCED TO IMPLEMENT THE SIDEWALK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THAT MEANS THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WILL NOT BE SUBJECT TO THE SAME. IT WILL BE SUBJECT TO REQUIRING A SIDEWALK TO BE PUT IN THIS LOCATION. >> FOR THE SIDEWALK. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE THEY DON'T USE THAT PIECE IN THE FUTURE IF WE NEED TO PLACE ONE, SO IT IS AVAILABLE TO THE CITY? >> YES. THE CONDITION ATTACHED THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION WILL POINT THAT OUT. IN THE FUTURE, A SIDEWALK WILL BE REQUIRED ALONG THAT SECTION. AND IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BEING GRANTED AWAYER TO DO THEIR PORTION. IMPOSED, IF YOU LIKE. THAT IS THE RIGHT WORD. WILL BE IMPOSED ON THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WHOLE SITE. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO ID IDENTIFY THE PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY THIS APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE UTILIZING. TO REINFORCE THE PROCESS-- THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSING THE NECESSITY OF THE SIDEWALK ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT. >> IF WE DO THAT, THEN WHO IS TO SAY THE NEXT PERSON THAT COMES IN IS ONLY BUILDING -- >> WELL, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY. >> I KNOW. >> I WOULD LIKE THE OWNER -- >> THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE RIDICULOUS. >> I WOULD LIKE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY TO STEP FORWARD, PLEASE. >> HOW YOU DOING? JEROME BRYANT. >> MR. BRYANT, IS THIS PROPERTY OWNED BY A CHURCH? >> YES, SIR. THE LOVE CENTER. >> OKAY. WHERE IS THE LOVE CENTER LOCATED? >> 13TH STREET AND AVENUE I IS THE RESIDENTIAL FACILITY. THEN THIS 3111 IS THE SECOND PORTION. WE ARE THE OLDEST DRUG RECOVERY [01:05:06] IN THE COUNTY. >> CAN YOU PULL THE MICROPHONE UP? >> OKAY. >> YOU HAD SAT HERE PATIENTLY AND LISTENED TO THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT A SIDEWALK. ARE YOU-- DO YOU HAVE ANY OPPOSITION TO WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING? >> I'M IN TOTAL FAVOR. >> SO IN THE FUTURE, ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS, THEN YOU WOULD BE AWARE THAT WHOMEVER THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MAY BE, WOULD BE OBLIGATED FOR THE SIDEWALK IN. >> CAN I SHARE SOMETHING WITH YOU? >> PLEASE DO. NORMALLY I RUN THIS THROUGH THE CLERK. SIR? >> MR. BRYANT? >> IF YOU CAN SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE. WE CAN PUT ONE OF THOSE -- >> THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. >> I GOT MY ARCHITECTURAL SITE PLAN. THEY DEVELOPED THIS. WE ARE GOING CONVERT THIS-- THIS IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED INTO AN R.V. STORAGE PARKING FACILITY THAT IS PRESENTLY UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT OF PLANNING AS WE SPEAK. >> OKAY. >> I WORKED WITH COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER MICHAEL BRODERICK HAD SUGGESTED THAT WE LOOK ALONG THIS LINE, WHICH IS IN KEEPING WITH OTHER TOWER SITES. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE OUR OFFICE FROM 13TH STREET TO THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. AND SO HERE IS A RENDERING OF WHAT WE HAVE COMPLETED AT THIS POINT. CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. >> OKAY. I'M GUESSING THIS LITTLE SQUARE IN THE MIDDLE, ROUGHLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY TOWARD THE BOTTOM IS THE SITE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. OKAY. SO THEN YOU CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THE BOARD IS GOING WITH THIS. THAT ONCE YOU START YOUR DEVELOPMENT, YOU ARE GOING TO B- >> IT IS INCLUDED RIGHT HERE. >> YOU ARE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THE SIDEWALK. >> YES, SIR. >> DOES THAT SATISFY? >> COMPLETELY. >> OKAY. >> WELL, I FIGURED I SIT BACK AND WAIT UNTIL I'M ASKED TO SWING -- >> NO. I SAID I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP. >> I APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING FORWARD AND CLARIFYING THIS. I HAD WIND OF SOMETHING COMING ON. THAT IS WHY I WANTED TO GET YOU UP HERE. BECAUSE I COULD SEE THIS THING GOING AROUND AND AROUND AND AROUND ROBINHOOD'S BARN HERE. I NEEDED TO GET IT STOPPED. >> I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD CALL ME SO I COULD REMOVE YOUR STRESS. >> OKAY. IN ALL RESPECTS, YOU WERE RIGHT ON TARGET IN YOUR THOUGHT PROCESSES. I AGREE WITH YOU THERE. HAVE BEEN RECENTLY SOME CASES THAT WE HAVE DONE IN LIEU OF SIDEWALKS THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE FORCEFUL IN IT. THAT ALSO INVOLVES THE DISCUSSION THAT MR. FREEMAN BROUGHT FORWARD. THAT AT TIMES, WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH THE COUNTY ROAD, THE COUNTY HAS ALREADY PUT A DEAL TOGETHER WITH A DEVELOPER, AND WE HAVE BEEN KIND OF CUT OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION. I THINK YOU ARE WORKING ON RESOLVING THAT PROBLEM. FORT PIERCE, ODDLY ENOUGH, IS CARVED UP WITH COUNTY ROADS AND STREETS THAT YOU WOULDN'T EXPECT TO BE A COUNTY ROAD OR A STREET. THAT DOES POSE THIS BOARD AND THE COMMISSION HEARTBURN, AT TIMES, WHEN WE GET INTO THESE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS. SO I APPRECIATE YOU MOVING FORWARD AND LOOKING TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY AS WELL. SO VERY GOOD. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON? >> NO, SIR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? >> NO, SIR. JUST HERE FOR QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. THERE WAS A FINE OR A FEE FOR MSU. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS. FOR $22,000? I WAS QUESTIONING WHETHER OR NOT IT HAD BEEN RESOLVED. CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THOSE FEES WERE AND HAVE THEY BEEN RESOLVED IN. >> THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT SAID THOSE FEES HAVE BEEN RESOLVED. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT MSU STANDS FOR? >> I HAVE NO IDEA. >> WOULD THE OWNER LIKE THE SPEAK TO THAT? >> IT WENT BACK AT LEAST TEN YEARS. >> IT IS SOME KIND OF STORMWATER FEE. A STORMWATER FEE. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> IT IS CURRENT. >> IT IS PAID MONTHLY AND IT IS CURRENT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOT SEEING ANY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE DESIRE TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANYONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK TO THE BOARD. [01:10:01] ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WITH THE CONDITIONS OF THE LANDSCAPE, THE TURTLES, AND NO SIDEWALKS. >> WELL, LET ME FINISH. I WAS GOING TO SAY I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT WERE LISTED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS THE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALK CONDITION. >> THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE VERBAGE CONCERNING THAT CONDITIONAL-- THAT CONDITION. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> I NEED A SECOND? >> DID WE NOT GET A SECOND? I THOUGHT WE DID. >> MR. HEANING? >> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS? >> YES. >> MS. CLEMONS? >> YES. >> MS. DANIEL? >> YES. >> MR. ALBURY? >> YES. MR. KREISL? >> YES. >> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. [d. Site Plan and Conditional Use - JDA Self-Storage and Vehicle Storage Facility - 5553 Okeechobee Road] NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS 6-D. THAT IS SITE PLANNING CONDITIONAL USE FOR JDA SELF-STORAGE AND VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY AT 555 #-- 5553 EKE CHOKEY ROAD. OKEECHOBEE ROAD. GOODNESS. I HAVE HAD A CHANGE OF THE GUARD. MR. GILMORE IS PRESENTING. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN AND PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS, BEFORE YOU WE HAVE A SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONAL USE FOR JDA SELF-STORAGE AND VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY. PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED AT 5553 OKEECHOBEE ROAD. THE REPRESENTATIVE IS DYNAMIC ENGINEERING CONSULTANTS. THE PROPERTY OWNER, OKEEJEN LLC AT THE SUBJECT PARCEL I.D. LISTED. THE BACKGROUND OF THE PARCEL, A TOTAL OF APPROXIMATELY 10.64 ACRES. HOWEVER, THE SITE WILL ENCOMPASS ONLY APPROXIMATELY 4.35 ACRES. THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND WEST AND RESIDENTIAL USES SOUTH AND EAST. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE APPROXIMATELY 103,000 SQUARE FEET. FOR TWO-STORY SELF-STORAGE AND VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY. WITH NEW LANDSCAPING, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, LIGHTING, PARKING, FOR VEHICLES BEING STORED. A TOTAL OF 19 SPACES. PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS IS TEN SPACES. WITH ONE BEING ADA SPACE. AND 30 SPACES TOTAL ARE PROPOSED FOR THE SITE. OKAY. FOR CONDITIONAL USES, THIS IS THE PROCEDURAL THAT IS FOLLOWED FOR APPROVAL. THE COMMISSION SHALL HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF 125-37 PRIOR TO ACTING ON THE APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE. AND TWO, PREVENTING CONDITONAL USE OR MODIFICATION OF AN EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE. THE CITY COMMISSIONER WILL IMPOSE REQUIREMENTS EXPRESSLY SPECIFIED IN THIS CHAPTER. ANY CONDITION WHICH THEY FIND IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IN THE CITY. THIS IS THE HIGHLIGHTED SUBJECT AREA. WHICH IS NEAR AVALON CROSSING SUBDIVISION TO THE SOUTH. AND TO THE WEST. CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS COMMERCIAL. IF STANDARD PARKING SPACES WILL BE A TOTAL OF 11. THE VEHICLE STORAGE PARKING SPACES IN THE REAR TO THE SOUTH WILL BE 19 SPACES. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE PROPOSED PLANTINGS. RED MAPLE NATIVE, TEN PINE NATIVE. NINE SOUTHERN OAK NATIVE. 12 SHRUBS FLORIDA NATIVE AND GRASS SOD FOR GROUND COVER. THIS IS ELEVATIONS-- NORTHERN AND WESTERN ELEVATION FOR THE PROPOSED STORAGE FACILITY. AND SOUTH AND EAST ELEVATION FOR THE PROPOSED STORAGE FACILITY. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS: NUMBER ONE, A COMPLETION CERTIFICATION BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 123-6. [01:15:02] SHALL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED FOR THE SITE. NUMBER TWO, PRIOR TO THISH SHANS OF ANY SITE-CLEARING PERMITS, THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET WITH THE CITY ARBORIST. NUMBER THREE, PER CITY CODE CHAPTER 121, SUB DIVIRKSES A FINAL PLAT IS REQUIRED. NUMBER FOUR, AFTER COMPLETION OF THE FINAL PLAT, PLEASE SUBMIT A GENERAL ADDRESS REQUEST FORM. FOR THE NEWLY CREATED PARCEL. AND FOR EACH PROPOSED BUILDING. NUMBER FOUR, A MONUMENT SIGN IS PROPOSED. PLEASE CONSIDER INSTALLING A LANDSCAPE AREA ALONG THE PROPOSED MONUMENT SIGN. NUMBER SIX, INSTALL AN OPAQUE FENCE FOR THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AREA. ONCE AGAIN, STAFF IS RESMING APPROVAL WITH THE SIX CONDITIONS. ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE ONE, RECOMMEND WITH MODIFIED APPROVAL OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC CONDITIONAL USE THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE BY RIGHT ON THIS TYPE OF PARCEL? >> THE VEHICLE STORAGE AND THE SELF-STORAGE. >> THESE ARE NOT FOR-- WHAT ZONING DID WE SAY THIS WAS? >> C-3. YUP. >> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> GO AED. >> ARE ALL STORAGE FACILITIES CONDITIONAL USES? >> CORRECT. YES. >> ALSO, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. HOW MANY HAVE WE APPROVED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS? >> TRUTHFULLY, I CAN'T KEEP-- IT MAY BE LIKE, SIX OR SEVEN. MAYBE EIGHT. I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T KEEP COUNT. >> YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. >> MAYBE TEN. >> WHAT PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IS THIS GOING TO SIT ON? IT'S THE -- >> YES. >> THE EAST END OF IT? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? >> THE EAST END. THERE IS A PLAT ON THE AGENDA TODAY WHICH THE OWNER-- THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR CONDITIONS THAT SHOULD HAVE DONE-- BEEN DONE A WHILE AGO. WHEN THIS PLAT IS COMPLETED, IT WILL CUT OUT THIS SECTION. SO WHAT YOU ARE SEEING TODAY IS THE 4.34 ACRES OF THE TEN-ACRE PARCEL THAT YOU ARE SEEING OUTLINED IN YELLOW. >> OKAY. AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS PRESENTLY GOING ON NEXT TO-- THAT IS A SEPARATE PROPERTY? >> SEPARATE. YES. IT IS THE SAME PROPERTY. IT IS A SEPARATE SITE PLAN. THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED ALREADY. THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE TO DO THE PLAT. CORRECT. >> IT WAS ALL PART OF THIS MASTER PLAN. >> CORRECT. >> WHEN I SEE HERE THAT THE DRIVEWAYS ARE GOING TO BE BY OTHERS, WHO IS THE OTHERS? DO WE KNOW? >> DRIVEWAYS? >> I LOOKED DOWN HERE. SHEET ONE. I SEE PROPOSED CROSS ACCESS BY OTHERS? >> I HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT. I'M ASSUMING THEY MEAN THE WESTERN -- >> WE WILL HOLD THAT FOR TH APPLICANT. WHEN WE SAY OPAQUE FENCING, THAT IS NOT VERY DETAILED. >> YEAH. >> I MEAN, I COULD TAKE THAT TO MEAN ALMOST ANYTHING. >> BASICALLY, SOMETHING THAT IS NOT VISIBLE. YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFICS IN THE CODE WHICH THEY WOULD HAVE THE TYPE OF MATERIAL THAT WE HAVE TO DO. PLUS, IT IS IN THE REAR OF THE BUILDING. WE JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BE SEEN. THE STORAGE. F. >> WHEN WE SAY REAR OF THE BUILDING, THAT IS THE SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE FACING RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY THAT COMMENT. AND THE FENCE IS ONLY GOING TO BE AROUND THAT ONE SECTION FOR OUTDOOR PARKING? >> CORRECT. CORRECT. >> SO THE ENCLOSED BUILDING IS NOT GOING TO BE IN THE INTERIOR OF THE FENCED-IN AREA. [01:20:05] >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC. THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. HELLO THERE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MIKE MILES. >> YOU WILL SIGN IN FOR US, PLEASE. >> THEN I DO HAVE-- THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A POWER POINT. >> I CAN CLARIFY SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS, HOPEFULLY. >> OKAY. YOU CAME PREPARED. >> WELL, TREUTS TRUTH BE TOLD, I HAD NINE OR TEN SLIDES WITH SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF HOW STAFF HAS BEEN GREAT TO WORK WITH. HE RECOMMENDED I JUST SAY THANK YOU TO SAVE SOME TIME. I GO WITH HIS RECOMMENDATIONS. IN LAUGHTER) VERY GOOD. >> OKAY. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. SO ALONG WITH MYSELF, THE AGENT FOR THE APPLICANT, JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATES IS THE CONTRACT PURCHASER. OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL THREE OF THE PROPOSED FORT PIERCE COMMERCIAL PLAT WHICH AS MR. GILMORE MENTIONED IS ON YOUR AGENDA AS ITEM 6-G, I BELIEVE. WE HAVE WITH US BOB AND MICHAEL WHO IS THE ARCHITECT ON THE PROJECT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT AND ASSOCIATES. I WANTED TO MAKE THIS POINT KNOWN. TO YOUR POINT AND YOUR QUESTION, OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS OR YEARS, A LOT OF SELF-STORAGE DEMAND HAS BEEN OUT THERE IN THE MARKETPLACE. AND SO JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT WAS FOUNDED IN 1986. AND HAS STEADILY GROWN INTO ONE OF THE MOST WELL-RESPECTED REAL ESTATE DEVELOPERS IN THE SOUTHEAST UNITED STATES. THEY WERE ORIGINALLY BASED IN SOUTH CAROLINA. THEY HAVE OFFICES STRATEGICALLY ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND THEY HAVE DEVELOPED OVER 70 SELF-STORAGE FACILITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND IN FLORIDA ALONE, THEY CURRENTLY OWN 16 OPERATING FACILITIES WITH FIVE ADDITIONAL FACILES EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR IN VARIOUS STAGES OF PERMITLING. THIS IS NOT THEIR FIRST RODEO. THEY DO GOOD MARKET ANALYSIS FOR THE DEMAND AND POTENTIAL DEMAND INTO THE FUTURE. AND SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. >> THEY WANT TO COME HERE, IT IS BECAUSE IT IS WELL-FOUNDED AND WELL-SUPPORTED WITH THE DEMAND IN THE MARKETPLACE. SO OUR REQUEST TODAY, AS MR. GILMORE MENTIONED, THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THE SITE PLAN AND THE TWO CONDITIONAL USES. ONE FOR THE SELF-STORAGE COMPONENT AND ONE FOR THE VEHICULAR STORAGE COMPONENT IN THE REAR. AGAIN, THIS IS A CARVE-OFF PIECE THAT IS 4.3 ACRES OF THE 10.5 PARENT PARCEL. THE DEVELOPABLE AREA OF THIS PARTICULAR SUB-DIVIDED LOTS IS A LITTLE BIT LESS, AS WE WILL SEE. THERE IS A NORTH ST. LUCIE COUNTY STORMWATER CANAL TO THE EAST. AND I THINK IT FLANKS TO THE SOUTH WITH SOME OF THE MASTER INFRASTRUCTURE FOR STORMWATER ON THE SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY AS WELL. I'LL SHOW YOU IN THE COMING SLIDES. SO THIS IS THE FORT PIERCE COMMERCIAL PLAT YOU WILL SEE AS ITEM 6-G. AND OVER ON THE EAST SIDE IS WHERE WE ARE. AERIAL EXHIBIT, THIS IS CONSTRUCTED IN OPERATION. IT HAS A CROSS-ACCESS ROAD THAT CONNECTS OKEECHOBEE AND JENKINS. THAT IS THE CROSS-ACCESS ROAD THAT WE WILL BE CONNECTING TO. AND THE OTHER COMPONENT AS PART OF THE PARCEL ONE, THE RETAIL THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO NOT ONLY INSTALL THAT CROSS-ACCESS ROAD TO SET UP FOR OUR PROPOSED SUBDIVISION BUT ALSO THE LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AROUND THE PERIMETER. MR. GILMORE HIT A LOT OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE SITE PLAN. IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS RELATED TO IT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER IT. BUT TO CLARIFY, WE WERE PROPOSING AN EIGHT-FOOT VINYL COATED CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH A VISUAL SCREEN TO-- THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION. WHICH TYPICALLY, JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT PUTS UP AT LEAST 95% OPAQUE SCREEN. THERE WILL BE A SECURITY FENCE AROUND THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS TWO GATES. ONE LOCATED AT THE ENTRANCE COMING OFF THE CROSS-ACCESS ROAD. AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE BUILDING. AND AN EXIT GATE UP AT THE NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE. AND SURROUNDING THE ENTIRETY OF THE ACTUAL OPERABLE BUILDING AND THE OVERSIZED VEHICLE STORAGE WILL BE A SECURITY FENCE. THE SCREENING WILL BE ON THE SOUTH AND EAST SIDE OF THE VEHICLE STORAGE LOT ON THE SOUTH SIDE. THIS IS A SITE PLAN RENDERING [01:25:02] THAT GIVES A BETTER PICTURE OF WHAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED. LIKE I MENTIONED, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THERE IS ABOUT A SIX-FOOT-- 60-FOOT DRAINAGE EASEMENT FOR THE NORTHERN ST. LUCIE COUNTER... COUNTY WATER DISTRICT'S CANAL. THEN WE HAVE A SHARED STORMY DANIELSWATER DETENTION SYSTEM. THERE IS SOME DRY DETENTION ON THE WEST SIDE OF THIS PARCEL. INTO A LARGE LAKE THAT IS TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED. MR. GILMORE HAD SHOWN SOME BUILDING ELEVATIONS. DURING THE DESIGN, THERE WAS A COMMENT ON THE NORTH AND WEST SIDES, SUGGESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAYBE TAKE SOME ADDITIONAL ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES TO BREAK UP THE WALLS A LITTLE BIT. SO IF YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE CLOUDED AREAS, THE STOREFRONT, VENEER WINDOWS AND TRIM HAVE BEEN ADDED TO REDUCE THAT BLANK WALL AREA ON THE PRIMARY FACADES. SO THIS IS KIND OF A STITCH-TOGETHER OF OUR SITE-PLAN RENDERING. PLUS THE LATEST CONFIGURATIONS FOR PARCEL ONE AND TWO OF THE FORT PIERCE COMMERCIAL PLAT. THE SHARED-KRO SESS CROSS ACCESS DRIVE THAT CONNECTS TO THE INTERIOR ROAD THAT FLANKS AROUND THE AREA IS WHERE WE WILL ACHIEVE OUR PRIMARY ACCESS POINTS. THESE ARE THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL BEFORE YOU HERE TODAY. WE TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO THEM. THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WE ARE HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF BOTH THE SITE PLAN AND THE CONDITIONAL USES. AND MYSELF OR THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> YOU SAID THERE IS GOING TO BE FENCING AROUND THE ENTIRE PROPERTY? >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IS IT GOING TO BE CHAIN LINK? >> THAT'S RIGHT. THAT IS CURRENTLY PROPOSED. METHOD OF SECURITY. >> HOW TALL? >> EIGHT FEET. >> ALL THE WAY AROUND? >> SO WITH THE GATE, IS THERE, LIKE, A CODED ACCESS FOR MEMBERS ONLY? >> THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. IF IT IS A NEW PATRON, THEY WILL PARK IN THE STANDARD EMPLOYEE SPACES AND GO IN, GET AN ACCOUNT AND GET A BOX OR WHATEVER THEY NEED. DIFFERENT UNIT. THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT UNIT TYPES. THEY WILL GET AN ACCESS CODE OR KEY CARD. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE THE OPERATION AT THIS FACILITY. IT DEPENDS ON THE END USER. BUT YES, THAT IS THE IDEA. >> IS THE CAR STORAGE WITHIN THE BUILDING OR IS IT THAT PIECE WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS KIND OF EXTENDED TO THE SOUTH? >> YEAH. THE OVERSIZED VEHICLE STORAGE LOT WILL BE TO THE SOUTH. >> WILL IT BE SHADED OR COVERED OR ANYTHING? OR JUST GOING TO BE OUT AND ABOUT? PIVOT WILL BE OUT AND ABOUT WITH THE TREE COVERAGE THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE SITE PLAN RENDERING. THAT DOES A DECENT JOB OF SHOWING THE CANOPY COVER. NO. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A HARD ARCHITECTURALLY COVERED LOT. NO. >> OKAY. >> YOUR CHAIN LINK FENCE AROUND THE VEHICLE STORAGE AREA IS SPECKED OUT TO BE VINYL-COATED. IS THAT TO INCLUDE ALL OF THE CHAIN LINK FENCE OR JUST AROUND THE VEHICLE STORAGE IN. >> THE WHOLE FENCE WOULD BE VINYL-COATED. THE MESH SCREENING, THE OPAQUE SCREENING WOULD BE AROUND THE STORAGE LOT TO THE SOUTH. >> I'M GOING TO TELL YOU STRAIGHT OUT. I HAVE A PROBLEM PRESENTLY, AND ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT HOW MANY STORAGE LOCATIONS WE HAVE HAD COME AND I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT, VENNIS. IT IS SOMEPLACE BETWEEN SIX TO SEVEN LOCATIONS. AND I'M BEGINNING TO GET VERY CONCERNED THAT FORT PIERCE IS BECOMING A STORAGE LOT FOR PORT ST. LUCIE. I THINK EVIDENTLY, SOMETHING HAS BEEN GOING ON IN PORT ST. LUCIE WHERE THEY ARE NOT BUILDING STORAGE FACILITIES ANYMORE. NOW WE HAVE BEEN FOUND. MY FEELING ON ADDITIONAL STORAGE LOCATIONS RIGHT NOW IS ABOUT THE SAME AS MY FEELING ON, BOY, I'M GOING TO PUT MYSELF OUT THERE. MY FEELING ON ARCADES. TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BUSINESSES. I GET IT. WE HAVE BEEN FOUND WITH ARCADES, TOO. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE ORDINANCES THAT PROTECT FORT PIERCE IN OVERBUILDING OF CERTAIN TYPES OF FACILITIES, AND [01:30:08] STORAGE LOCATIONS IS ONE OF THEM. SO WE HAVE THEM NOW DOTTING UP AND DOWN U.S. 1. WE HAVE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF OKEECHOBEE ROAD AT JENKINS ROAD. IT IS SOMEWHAT HIDDEN AWAY. THIS ONE IS KIND OF HIDDEN AWAY. EXCEPT THAT IT'S NOT. IT IS RIGHT OUT IN YOUR FACE WHEN YOU COME DOWN OKEECHOBEE ROAD. WHEN I COME IN AND OUT OF FORT PIERCE, I CONTINUOUSLY LOOK AT OUR ARTERIES COMING STRAIGHT INTO DOWNTOWN, AND RIGHT NOW OKEECHOBEE ROAD/VIRGINIA AVENUE IS THE CLEANEST OF ANY MEANS OF ENTERING DOWNTOWN UNTIL YOU GET TO U.S. 1 TO MAKE A LEFT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IT. NOT SAYING THAT YOUR ATTORNEY GENERAL IS FACILEFY... YOUR STORAGE FACILITY WON'T BE THE GREATEST AND BEST IN TOWN AND BE MAINTAINED AND SPARKLING ALL THE TIME. I'M SURE IT WILL BE. >> IT WILL BE, OF COURSE. >> BUT-- OF COURSE. JUST LIKE THE STAFF DID A WONDERFUL JOB WORKING WITH YOU. >> THEY DID. THEY DID. >> THE SLIDES YOU DIDN'T SHOW US. THAT IS OKAY. >> NO. I'M BEING SERIOUS HERE. I'M SPEAKING OUT LOUD. MY MENTAL THOUGHTS THAT IS GOING THROUGH MY HEAD. I JUST HAVE OVERALL CONCERNS, AND THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAVE VOICED IT. I SPEAK WITH OUR COMMISSIONERS ON A REGULAR BASIS. AND I'M RATHER PROTECTIVE OF OKEECHOBEE ROAD AND VV AVENUE BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY MEANS TO COME INTO DOWNTOWN THAT IS ATTRACTIVE. THAT IS WHERE WE HAVE A 95 EXIT AND ENTRANCE. AND A TURNPIKE EXIT AND ENTRANCE. SO SOMEBODY IS JUMPING OFF THE TURNPIKE TO GET ON 95 TO CONTINUE SOUTH, AND THEY SAY, LET'S STOP AND GET A BITE TO EAT. OR MAYBE LET'S GO IN AND SEE WHAT FORT PIERCE IS ALL ABOUT. I HAVE A REAL CONCERN ABOUT WHAT WE COULD ALLOW THIS ARTERY TO TURN INTO. AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT Y'ALL ARE GOING TO RUN A SPARKLY FACILITY. I MEAN, I STILL HAVE THAT CONCERN. THE OTHER CONCERN I'VE GOT-- AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS SHARED WITH US WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE LAST DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PROPERTY, THAT THIS WAS ALL ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND WHEN IT CAME TO US FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE ALDI GROCERY STORE AND CHIPOTLE RESTAURANT, THE BOARD SHOWED A LEVEL OF CONCERN ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COMING AROUND ON THAT ONE DRIVE THAT WAS VIEWED AS SERVICING-- IT WAS OBVIOUS THE WAY IT WAS INSTALLED, ID H HAD TO BE THEREO SERVICE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT IN MY MIND. BUT NOW WE ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO CROSS THROUGH THE PRESENT DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GOING ON FOR A GROCERY STORE AND A RESTAURANT WITH POSSIBLY TRUCK AND BOAT TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE STORAGE AREA. I JUST WONDER HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WE CAN RUN THROUGH THAT SMALL SECTION WHERE THE GROCERY STORE IS. AND YOU DO HAVE WETLANDS ON THE OTHER SECTION OF PARCEL. I'M GUESSING THAT IS PROBABLY WHERE YOUR PLAN IS TO EXPAND THE MITIGATION AREA FOR STORMY DANIELSWATER. ... FOR STORMWATER. THAT IS A WHOLE NOTHER DISCUSSION TO GET INTO. I WILL TRY TO HOLD OFF. THAT IS DIFFICULT FOR ME. THAT IS A REAL HOT BUTTON OF MINE. >> IF I MAY ON THE TRAFFIC PIECE, AND THE ACCESS PIECE, THIS WHOLE PARCEL IS ZONED GENERAL-COMMERCIAL. AND THE SELF-STORAGE FACILITY USED IS WAY LESS OF A TRAFFIC GENERATOR THAN ANY USE THAT COULD COME ON TO THIS PROPOSED SUB DIVIDED PARCEL BY RIGHT. IF ANYTHING WERE TAKING A [01:35:01] DRAMATIC AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OUT OF THE EQUATION BY PROPOSING THIS, EVEN IF THE OCCASIONAL, YOU KNOW, VEHICLE IS A LITTLE BIT OVERSIZED, TO YOUR POINT, THE SHEER AMOUNT OF VOLUME WILL BE REDUCED DRAMATICALLY BY THIS USE. >> BUT I ALSO KNOW WHAT THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC FLOWING THROUGH THAT AREA IS. AND THE VOLUME OF TRUCK AND TRAILER TRAFFIC AND BOAT TRAFFIC IS FLOWING THROUGH THERE. SET ASIDE THE VOLUME OF TESLA TRAFFIC GOING INTO THERE CHARGING BATTERY,. THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION WHICH I KNOW IS A HOT SPOT OF YOURS. BATTERY CHARGERS. BUT I HAVE SOME LEVEL OF CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW HERE. THERE MAY NOT BE, IN THE NEAR FUTURE, ANY MEANS TO LEAVE THIS FACILITY TO GO SOUTH ON JENKINS ROAD. PRESENTLY, WE CAN SKIRT AROUND THE MEDIAN STRIP THAT HAS BEEN PUT IN. AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MOVES TOWN-- DOWN JENKINS ROAD, AND THERE IS ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT PLANNED FOR OVER THERE. IN FACT, ONE OF THE ITEMS WE ARE GOING TO HEAR TODAY. I WOULD GUESS THAT THAT MEDIUM STRIP IS GOING TO GET LONGER, RATHER THAN SHORTER. I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT HOW THAT TRAFFIC MAY GET OUT TO GO DOWN JENKINS ROAD. I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT HOW THE TRUCK AND BOAT TRAFFIC, IF I WANTED TO STORE MY BOAT THERE, AND I WAS COMING UP FROM ANY OF THE RAMPS HERE IN FORTPIERCE, UP VIRGINIA OR OKEECHOBEE ROAD. I HAVE TO MAKE A TURN INTO JENKINS ROAD. THEN I ALMOST HAVE TO MAKE AN ILLEGAL LEFT TO GET INTO THE AREA NOW. I MAKE A U-TURN IN FRONT, AND MAKE A RIGHT TO COME IN ON THAT DRIVE THAT SERVICES THE EGRESS AND INGRESS IN AND OUT OF THIS PARCEL. AND AGAIN, I'M SPEAKING OUT LOUD HERE. I HOPE I'M GENERATING SOME FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE REST OF MY BOARD. THERE ARE CONCERNS I'VE GOT. >> YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO PIGGYBACK ON TH- >> I'LL STOP HERE. GO AHEAD. >> THE STORAGE-- THE NUMBER OF STORAGE UNITS AND JUST THE QUESTION TO KEVIN AGAIN. SORRY TO PUT YOU BACK ON THE HOT SPOT. BUT, LIKE, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD AN INFLUX OF WAREHOUSE SPACES WITHIN THERE, ARE THEY NOT ALLOWED TO HOUSE THOSE WAREHOUSE SPACES? BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THE ONES BEING BUILT, AND THEY ARE STILL SAYING, YOU KNOW, LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO LEASE IT OUT. JUST FUTURE REFERENCE FOR PEOPLE THAT IS TRYING TO POP UP A STORAGE UNIT RATHER THAN TAKING UP SPACE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR RESIDENTIAL OR A MIXED DEVELOPMENT. KIND OF HAVE IT SECLUDE IN THE AREA WHERE IT IS CONDUCIVE FOR THE AREA. YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE A BUNCH OF TRUCKS GOING IN AND OUT OF THOSE AREAS. WHY NOT THE SAME SIZE OR IF NOT LARGER? >> I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING. I THINK IT IS A QUESTION OF A WIDER DISCUSSION OF OUR ZONING REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF WHERE OR WHERE WE DON'T ALLOW CONDITIONAL USES. YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING FOR FOR THE MAIN THOROUGHFARES INTO TOWN? WE UNDERSTOOD THAT YES, THIS IS A STORAGE UNIT GOING INTO A PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL AREA WHICH IS WHY WE GOT INTO NEGOTIATION WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS OF THIS BUILDING. I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE WAYS YOU CAN ADDRESS NOT THE USE OF THE BUILDING BUT THE WAY A STREET LOOKS THR IS THROUGH THEC DE TRIOMPHE TECHTURE. WWE KNOW WE ARE NOT ESSENTIALLY INTERESTED IN THE USE OF THE BUILDING. BUT HOW A BIDDING PRESENTS ITSELF TO THAT STREET. FROM OUR POINT OF VIEW, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT YES, WE HAD SEEN A LOT OF STORAGE UNIT ACTIVITY ON ONE SIDE. WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE MARKET'S POINT OF VIEW, IF WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL COMING IN IN THIS AREA, W WHAT IS THE CONSEQUENCEF THAT? THE CONSEQUENCE OF THAT ARE STORAGE UNITS, CAR-WASH, AND MAYBE HOTELS. WE ARE GOING TO SEE THOSE SORT OF ACTIVITIES IN THIS LOCAL ECONOMY BECAUSE OF THE MARKET DEMANDS ON THOSE AREAS AND HOW [01:40:01] THOSE INTERCHANGE WITH EACH OTHER. AS WE GO THROUGH THESE FAYS-- THESE PHASES. STORAGE IS A CONSEQUENCE. DIRECT CONSEQUEN CCE OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AND THE PEOPLE MOVING INTO AN AREA USUALLY MOVE FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. THEY CART WITH THEM ALL THEIR OLD BELONGINGS. THEY LEAVE THEM IN THE STORAGE UNIT AND BUY NEW BELONGINGS FOR THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DEMAND FOR STORAGE UNIT. AND THE WAY THAT STAFF ARE ADDRESSING THIS IS THROUGH TRYING TO GET A BETTER QUALITY OF ARCHITECTURE, TRYING TO LOOK AT THE STREET SCENE, AND THEN MAYBE THERE IS A WIDER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE USES AND SUCH. FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, I SEE-- I HAVE TO AGREE IT IS A LOWER INTENSITY. IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC GENERATION. FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, MY CONCERN IS WITH-- PARTLY WITH THE CHAIR'S COMMENTS HERE. THE APPEARANCE OF OUR ROADWAYS INTO TOWN. AND THE USES THAT WE ALLOW ON THE THOROUGHFARES THAT ARE COMING IN. AND THE LACK OF ARCHITECTURAL DEMAND ON THOSE USES. AND THE STREET SCENE ITSELF. I THINK IT IS A WIDER DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF HOW WE ADDRESS THAT IN THE CITY'S CODE. I MEAN, THIS APPLICANT HAS COME FORWARD WITH WHAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO AT THE MOMENT IN TERMS OF REQUESTING A PARTICULAR USE IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. AND STAFF HAVE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS THAT THE BEST THEY CAN IN TERMS OF ACCOMMODATING THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSAL. >> THERE IS OUTDOOR STORAGE ON JENKINS ROAD JUST SOUTH OF OKEECHOBEE ROAD ON THE EAST SIDE OF JENKINS ROAD THAT WE APPROVED SEVERAL YEARS BACK. AND IT IS IN OPERATION NOW. MOSTLY, THAT IS TRACTOR-TRAILER STORAGE IN THAT PARTICULAR LOT. THERE IS OUTDOOR STORAGE THERE. >> YEAH. THE USE-- AS YOU SAY, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PROXIMITY, THERE IS ANOTHER STORAGE UNIT WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, AN INDOOR STORAGE UNIT. ESSENTIALLY. SO THAT IS MY-- YOU KNOW, THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THESE THINGS, I THINK, ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE ACTUAL USE GOING ON IN THERE. >> I THINK ABOUT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE HERE. AND WITH OUR WIND-LOADING THAT WE GET FROM TIME TO TIME HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA, I KNOW WE DON'T GET MUCH WIND, BUT WHEN WE DO, IT KOOND OF BLOWS AND GOES. I JUST-- WE HAVE A CHAIN LINK FENCE THAT HAD NETTING ON THE INSIDE OF IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS ALL LIKE WHAT YOU ARE PREPPING HERE. RIGHT NOW, ALL THE NETTING IS BLOWING IN THE WIND. IT LOOKS LIKE A FLAG. I GUESS I VISUALIZE THAT. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD BEING DEVELOPED PRESENTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THIS, AND RIGHTFULLY SO, THE BUILDING FACING OKEECHOBEE ROAD IS CERTAINLY ATTRACTIVE. THE BUILDING FACING THAT DEVELOPMENT, OF COURSE, IS THE BACK OF THE BUILDING. WE DON'T NORMALLY SPEND MUCH TIME WITH AESTHETICS ON THE BACK OF A BUILDING. IN THIS CASE, MAYBE WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING-- AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING DUPLICATING WHAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE BIDDING. MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING A LITTLE MORE ATTRACTIVE. I THINK BACK WHEN WE APPROVED-- ONE OF THE LENGTHY DISCUSSION IT IS BOARD AT THAT TIME HAD WAS HOW WE WERE GOING TO BUFFER BETWEEN THE BUSINESS AND THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THAT HADN'T BEEN REAPPROVED. IT HAD BEEN APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO. SAT AS A SKELETON RESIDENTIAL AREA. BUT IT HADN'T BEGUN TO BE OCCUPIED YET. I'VE STILL GOT SOME OF THAT GOING THROUGH MY MIND, TOO. AND WHAT WE DID-- I SEE THERE IS AMPLE-- LOOKS TO BE AMPLE VEGETATION. THEY GENERALLY START OFF WITH FIVE-GALLON POTS AND HOPEFULLY, IT STAYS ALIVE LONG ENOUGH TO REACH SIX FEET. ANYTHING FURTHER? >> I HAVE A CONCERN. IT IS ACTUALLY MORE OF A [01:45:01] COMMENT. THE ENTRYWAY OR THE DRIVEWAY THAT IS COMING IN OFF OKEECHOBEE, I KNOW FOR ME PERSONALLY, IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH AT CURRENT USE AND CAPACITY. THE SEMIS PARK THERE. CONSTANTLY. SO EVEN-- THERE IS ONLY ONE-WAY TRAFFIC MOST DAYS GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE. HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED MOVING FORWARD? >> IS IT GOING TO BE WIDENED? IS THERE GOING TO BE AMPLE PARKING FOR THOSE PARTICULAR PEOPLE? OR WHAT? >> I CAN'T SPEAK TO IF SOMEBODY IS PARKING THERE ILLEGALLY IN A CROSS-ACCESS DRIVE. WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE RUN OUR PARTICULAR VEHICLES FROM A TRACKING PERSPECTIVE TO MAKE SURE THIS ACCESS IS SUFFICIENT WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THE ALDI DOES HAVE TO HAVE TRACK OR THE TRAILERS COMING IN TO SERVICE ITS LOADING ZONE AND DELIVERY IN THE BACK THERE AS WELL. SO THAT IS WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO. AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBDIVIDED PARCEL. WE CAN CERTAINLY BRING UP THOSE CONCERNS TO THE OVERALL PROPERTY OWNER AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT WOULD SERVE ALL THE TENANTS THE BEST. >> I THINK SOME OF THOSE TRACTOR-TRAILERS ARE SERVICING WAWA. PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO GO THERE. THAT IS THE MAJOR HUB FOR MOST OF THE TRUCK DRIVERS. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO GO TO A TRUCK STOP. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU DEFINITELY NEED TO ADDRESS. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. WE WILL BRING THAT UP AS A CONCERN. >> THAT IS A POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CODE ENFORCEMENTST ISSUE. I GUESS AT SOME POINT, AS A COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE ARE PLANNING ON ADDITIONAL POLICE AND CODE ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE AND SO ON WHILE ALL THESE GREAT PEOPLE COMING IN AN DEVELOPING OUR PROPERTIES. THERE IS MORE JOBS. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO I HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT THE MARKET SUPPORTS AND ALL OF THAT. WHAT IS THE-- I GUESS THE OUTLOOK. IS THIS A 20-YEAR OUTLOOK? 30? 40? IS THERE A NUMBER ON THAT? OR NO? >> DO YOU HAVE ANY INPUT? >> IN TERMS OF, LIKE -- >> IF YOU WOULD COME UP TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE. I'LL ALLOW THE TWO OF YOU TO COHABITATE THE PODIUM. IF YOU WOULD, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SIGN IN. >> NATALIE SMITH. I'M WITH JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE AT 4350 WEST CYPRESS IN TAMPA. I'LL GO AHEAD AND SIGN IN. >> PLEASE. OUR VIDEO AND AUDIO IS A LARGE PART OF OUR RECORD-KEEPING FOR THESE MEETINGS. THAT IS WHY WE TRY TO GET EVERYBODY TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO THE MICROPHONE. >> NO PROBLEM. OKAY. SO TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU ARE SAYING OUTLOOK, DO YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF OUR BUSINESS PROJECTIONS OR HOW LONG WE INTEND ON WHOLING THE PROPERTY FOR? >> YEAH. LIKE, BUSINESS PROJECTIONS. THEY ARE BASED OFF SPECIFIC NUMBERS. YOU KNOW. >> SO WE MODEL OUT A FIVE. >> YEAR-- A FIVE-YEAR CASH FLOW PROJECTION. THAT IS OUR STABILIZATION PERIOD. BUT JOHNSON DEVELOPMENT IS A LONG-TERM HOLDER. SO WE OWN THE REAL ESTATE INDEFINITELY. SO THAT IS WHY EVEN THOUGH OUR MODEL JUST GOES OUT THAT FAR, WE ARE ALWAYS THINKING LONG-TERM. >> GOTCHA. OKAY. >> AND WE HAVE HAD TWO OR BOARD MEMBERS AT LEAST BRING UP OR COMMENT ON HOW MUCH STORAGE FACILITIES HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN FORT PIERCE RECENTLY. YOU SPOKE EARLIER TO THE MARKET RESEARCH THAT YOU DO. AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT. ARE YOU AWARE OF HOW MUCH WE HAVE APPROVED, SIMILAR FACILITIES IN THE CITY RECENTLY. AND IS THAT FACTORING INTO THE RESEARCH THAT YOU HAVE SUPPORTING THIS DESIGN NOW PRESENTLY? >> ABSOLUTELY. SO SELF-STORAGE AS AN ASSET CLASS IS SENSITIVE TO SUPPLY IN A MARKET. IT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE ACTUALLY STUDIED THE MOST. WHEN WE ARE EVALUATING WHETHER A MARKET IS VIABLE FOR US OR NOT. ABSOLUTELY. WE STAY ON TOP OF EXISTING SUPPLY. WHICH IN FORT PIERCE, I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW, HAS BEEN OUTDATED. THERE IS A LACK OF CLIMATE CONTROL. THEN, OF COURSE, PIPELINE SUPPLY. PLAN SUPPLY IS THE OTHER COMPONENT. WE FACTOR IT IN. WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT A SQUARE-FOOT PER-PERSON SUPPLY METRIC. [01:50:01] WHEN WE ARE EVALUATING A MARKET. EVEN WITH THE PLANNED SUPPLY, IT IS STILL BELOW THE NATIONAL AVERAGE OF 7 SQUARE FEET PER PERSON. >> OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT IN THAT GENERAL AREA, WE'VE GOT TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED. ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO US SOON, I WOULD THINK. AND THE COUNTY IS-- HAS GOT ONE ON HAMMOND ROAD. IT IS RIGHT IN THE GENERAL AREA. THAT IS A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT THAT IS GOING ON WITH THE COUNTY WORKING ON IT. AND YOU HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NEXT-DOOR. NOT TO LEAVE OUT THE CREEK. I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. THE MARKET IS THERE. THERE IS NO QUESTION. I'M JUST GETTING SNOBBISH MAYBE ABOUT THE CITY. (LAUGHTER) AND I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT OUR INGRESS AND EGRESS TO DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE AND THE CONDITION THAT MUCH OF IT IS IN PRESENTLY. WHICH IS NOT AN ISSUE OF YOURS. AND PLANNING HAS DONE A GOOD JOB WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON THE OKEECHOBEE SIDE OF THE BUILDING. I CAN'T DENY THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? NO ONE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. >> IT IS NOT REALLY A COMMENT ON THEM, BUT ON THE BOARD. CAN THE CITY PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE ON WHAT CAN BE DONE IN WHAT SECTION BECAUSE I THINK THE VIEW OF THE CITY, TO BRING PEOPLE IN, WHEN YOU GO TO ORLANDO. YOU SEE WHAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GET OVER 95. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK HERE, WHEN YOU GET OFF I-95, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE, LIKE, HMM. THAT IS A BIG DIFFERENCE. I'M THINKING ABOUT IF THERE IS A WAY THE CITY CAN BE-- PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE SAYING THAT, OKAY, ON THIS SECTION, OF TOWN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT ALLOWED THIS. OR THAT. JUST TO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, THE BEAUTY OF FORT PIERCE. YES. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE MOVING IN. IN THE MEANTIME, THE BEAUTY IS SOMETHING. >> THAT IS PART OF WHAT PLANNING DOES AND HERE SOON, I THINK MR. ALBURY IS GOING TO BE DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THAT, TOO. OKAY. SO YES. I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME COMMENTS CONCERNING THAT? >> I THINK THERE IS THAT PART OF THE WIDER DISCUSSION. WE WILL NEED TO HAVE THAT WITH THE CITY CODE. WHETHER WE LOOK AT SPECIFIC DOORS INTO THE CITY AND GENERATE SOME ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS AND SOME LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS THAT ACTUALLY AFFECT PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. OUTSIDE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAYS. WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. HOW DO THINGS LOOK FROM THE VISITOR WHEN THEY DRIVE DOWN STREETS. AND THE MAIN ENTRANCEWAYS, SPECIFICALLY, U.S. 1. I THINK NEEDS SOME SERIOUS ATTENTION. AS WE MOVE FORWARD. >> MY VICE-CHAIR IS HELPING ME OUT UP HERE. WE ARE NOT PLAYING FOOTSIES. (LAUGHTER) I'M STRUGGLING TO FIGURE OUT THE GEOMETRY OF HOW TO STACK THIS STUFF. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I THINK I HAVE VOICED EVERYTHING THAT I HAD ON MY MIND. IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING FURTHER, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE SIX CONDITIONS. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SE SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MR. EDWARDS? >> YES. >> MS. CLEMONS? >> YES. >> MS. DANIEL? >> YES. >> MR. ALBURY? >> YES. >> MR. KREISL? >> YES. >> MR. HEANING? >> YES. CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> I'M GOING TO VOTE YES ON THIS [01:55:04] ITEM. I STILL WANT TO VOICE THAT I'VE GOT A HIGH LEVEL OF CONCERN ABOUT THE NUMBER OF SELF-WAREHOUSING FACILITIES THAT WE ARE BEGINNING TO APPROVE IN THE CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US START LOOKING AT PERHAPS ZONES OF SOME KIND, AND IT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT. I KNOW. YOU CAN'T DO THAT KIND OF THING ON THE FLY. I'LL VOTE YES ON THIS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AND YOUR EFFORT. YOU DID A GREAT JOB AT CHANGING MY MIND. AND WITH ALL OF THAT, WELCOME TO FORT PIERCE. >> THANK YOU. LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. >> THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYONE NEED A BREAK? NOT SEEING ANYONE, OKAY. WE WILL MOVE ON, THEN. [e. Site Plan - Twin Vee - 3101 S. US Highway 1] ITEM 6-E. SITE PLAN TWIN VEE. 3101... >> THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND DESIGN REVIEW FOR AN IN-FILL EXTENSION TO AN EXISTING BUSINESS ON U.S. 1. APPLICANT IS EDC REPRESENTED BY BRAD CURRIE. PROPERTY OWNERS, VISCONTI HOLDINGS LLC. SITE AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 7.27 ACRES. THIS REQUEST IS FOR A 23,456 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING EXPANSION TOGETHER WITH THE 4,389-SQUARE FOOT AWNING CONNECTED TO THE SAME BUILDING. THESE ADDITIONS WILL CONNECT TWO BUILDINGS WHICH ARE USED BY THE EXISTING TWIN VEE BOAT MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. IF ANYBODY HAS NOT HEARD ABOUT THAT BUSINESS, IT IS A VERY EXCITING DEVELOPMENT, AND TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED BOAT MANUFACTURING BUSINESS IN THE CITY. THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS A TOTAL OF 7.27 ACRES. THE SITE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF U.S. 1 AND EDWARDS. THERE IS AN FEC RAILROAD THAT RUNS ACROSS EDWARDS AND ACROSS THE FRONTAGE OF THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. YOU WILL SEE THE PROPERTY HERE, U.S. 1. WE HAVE THE EXISTING BUILDING AND FACILITY. SOME OF THE EXISTING FACILITIES. THE INFILL PORTION IS IN THIS LOCATION. THAT IS THE EXISTING. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SHOT FROM EDWARDS, THAT IS THE SECTION THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ACTUALLY, FRONTAGE OF U.S. 1. THAT IS WHERE THE PARKING AREA IS PRIMARILY AND THE FRONTAGE OF THE MANUFACTURING PREMISES. SITE IS C-3. FUTURE LAND USE OF GENERAL-COMMERCIAL. YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS... THIS IS PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL-INDUSTRIAL. AND THEN WE HAVE A TRANSITION TO RESIDENTIAL AS WE MOVE FURTHER TO THE EAST-WEST OF U.S. 1. SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, NOT ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY, BUT SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY ARE COUNTY FACILITIES. THAT IS ACTUALLY A STORAGE UNIT, I THINK, THERE. THAT IS A STORAGE UNIT THERE. SORRY. THAT IS NOT A STORAGE UNIT. RESIDENTIAL. SO WE HAVE THE SITE. THE INFILL. PORTION OF THE SITE. U.S. 1 FRONTAGE ALONG THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN. EDWARDS ON THE TOP OF THE SCREEN. EAST COAST RAILROAD BY FUR SKATING BIFURCATING THE SCREEN THERE. THAT IS THE EXISTING MANUFACTURING PREMISES. THERE ARE ACTIVITIES GOING ON IN THIS AREA ALREADY. THE INTENT IS TO BUILD SOMETHING TO ENCLOSE THOSE ACTIVITIES. THAT IS THE PROPOSED ELEVATION. IT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT IS THERE. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE A SITE PLAN OR DESIGN REVIEW. WE DON'T HAVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS FOR THIS UP WITH. BUT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS AVAILABLE. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> ANY QUESTIONS IN COMMENTS? [02:00:05] OKAY. I'LL ENTER-- I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. >> MY NAME IS AT THE TOP ALREADY. I'LL DO IT AGAIN. FOR THE RECORD, BRAD CURRIE WITH EDC REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. STAFF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB PRESENTING. IT IS A GOOD USE FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THEY ARE EXPANDING. THERE USED TO BE A BUILDING HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. YOU GUYS MAY REMEMBER. IT BURNED DOWN, I THINK. THEY ARE SIMPLY REPLACING THAT BUILDING. A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN IT WAS BEFORE. IT IS FOR THE MANUFACTURING RO SESS. JOSEPH VISCONTI, THE OWNER, UNFORTUNATELY, COULDN'T MAKE IT HERE TODAY. HE WAS SICK. HE DID WANT TO COME BY. I TOLD HIM TO STAY HOME AND KEEP HIS GERMS TO HIMSELF. >> THANK YOU. >> HE WILL MAKE IT BACK HERE FOR THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU. >> JUST ONE. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN? IS THIS ALL-- IS THE ON-SITE PARKING PART OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN OR IS THAT JUST SHOWING ALL -- >> THAT IS JUST SHOWING THE ENTIRE PARKING. THAT IS ALL EXISTING THERE NOW. >> THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? >> I GOT A QUESTION. I SEE IT SAYS PHASE ONE. ARE YOU GUYS PLANNING ON DOING ANYTHING MORE? OR -- >> WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THAT OFF. YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THIS PLAN. IT DID HAVE MANY FAYS. WE BACKED OFF ON ALL OF. THAT THAT IS CORRECT. WE DID HAVE MULTIPLE PHASES AT ONE TIME. AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE JUST SAID PROPOSED. THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL PHASES PROPOSED AT THIS TIME. IF WE DID HAVE MORE PHASES, WE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD. >> QUESTIONS? I'M HAPPY TO SEE THE EXPANSION ON THIS SITE. TWIN VEE, I BELIEVE, IS ONE OF OUR LONGTIME BUSINESS PARTNERS IN FORT PIERCE THAT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND HAS TREATED FORT PIERCE VERY WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEIR CONTINUED HEALTH HERE. I WOULD ASSUME AT SOME POINT, THEY ARE GOING TO OUTGROW THIS PARCEL. AND HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BIGGER AND DIFFERENT. THEY ARE SOME OF THE LEADING TECHNOLOGY IN THE TYPES OF VESSELS THAT THEY BUILD IN THE UNITED STATES, WHICH IS REALLY NICE TO HAVE HERE IN FORT PIERCE. I DON'T THINK THAT AS A CITY, WE TALK ABOUT THAT ENOUGH. ABOUT OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS AND PROMOTE OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS, ANYTHING THAT WE DO WITH THE MEDIA. I THINK THAT FORT PIERCE IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HERE. NOT ONLY IN OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS BUT THIS WHAT THE CITY HAS, AS A WHOLE, TO OFFER. I'M VERY HAPPY TO SEE THAT AFTER THE FIRE THAT HAD CONSUMED PART OF THIS STRUCTURE, THAT THE DECISION WAS MADE TO CONTINUE TO STAY IN THIS LOCATION AND BUILD. SO THAT IS VERY GOOD. >> I DID WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING FOR MR. ALBURY. THE TWIN VEE HAS A SISTER COMPANY, AND THEY ARE BUILDING 100% ELECTRIC BOATS. (LAUGHTER) IT IS ONE OF THE FIRST COMPANIES AROUND THAT IS STARTING TO DO. THAT UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE DOING THAT NOT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BUT THEY DO HAVE A SEPARATE COMPANY THAT IS PART OF TWIN VEE THAT WILL BE BUILDING 100% ELECTRIC BOATS. JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. >> PRESIDENT BIDEN WOULD ENJOY THAT AS WELL. MAYBE HE IS LISTENING IN. >> MAYBE. (LAUGHTER) OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? WITH A DESIRE TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANYONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> RECOMMEND TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MS. CLEMONS? >> YES. >> MS. DANIEL? >> YES. >> MR. ALBURY? >> YES. >> MR. KREISL? >> YES. MR. HEANING? >> YES. MR. EDWARDS? >> YES. CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES. VERY GOOD. [f. Preliminary Plat - Westcity FP Shops - 2671 S. Jenkins Road] NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS ITEM 6-F, PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR [02:05:03] WESTCITY FORT PIERCE SHOPS. AT 2671 SOUTH JENKINS ROAD. AND I DON'T' THE APPLICANT. I DON'T SEE THE APPLICANT. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WAS EXPECTING A SMILING FACE THAT THE CITY IS VERY FAMILIAR WITH. I DIDN'T SEE HIM. OKAY. GO AHEAD. >> PLANNING BOARD, CHAIRMAN, BEFORE YOU TODAY IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT AT WESTCITY FORT PIERCE SHOPS. THE APPLICANT IS PETER SWEENY, ATTORNEY WITH BLOCK MRND SCARPA. THE PROPERTY OWNERS...: IN SUMMARY, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A VIEW OF AN APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE ONE PARCEL INTO THREE PLOTTED LOTS. HERE IS THE AERIAL MAP OF WHERE THE PARCEL IS LOCATED. IT IS ABOUT FOUR, GIVE OR TAKE, ACRES. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS GENERAL-COMMERCIAL. THE ZONING IS GENERAL-COMMERCIAL AS WELL. THE PLANNING BOARD'S ACTIONS TODAY ARE EITHER THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT WHICH IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH CHANGES, OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL OPEN UP TO PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. APPLICANT, STEP FORWARD, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BRANDON OLNER WITH THOMAS ENGINEERING. I WANT TO CLARIFY, YEAH. WE HAD FILED IT UNDER THE ATTORNEY'S NAME, SO I'M THE ENGINEER AND PLANNER FOR THE PROJECT. I WILL SIGN IN FOR YOU. AND I MEAN, I THINK STAFF HAS COVERED IT. WE ARE KIND OF HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> ONE OF THESE PARCELS WILL CONTAIN A MITIGATION POND, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. >> SO THE PLAN IS THAT THIRD SORT OF LEG, THERE IS NOT REALLY GOOD ACCESS TO THAT PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, SO WE PLAN ON MAINTAINING ANY NATIVE VEGETATION-- YOU KNOW, TREES AND WHATNOT AND THEN CREATING A KIND OF RETENTION AREA IN THERE TO SUPPORT -- >> DRY RETENTION? >> CORRECT. DRY. >> DRY RETENTION. I FUNS I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF THAT DRY RETENTION, YOU WILL BE IF ESTABLISHING AN OWNERS ASSOCIATION IN. >> YES. THERE WILL HAVE TO BE AN ASSOCIATION OF SORTS BECAUSE THERE IS MULTIPLE PARCELS, BECAUSE OF THE ACCESS. THERE WILL BE AGREEMENTS IN ASSOCIATION. YES. >> THE ACCESS CAME-- THERE WAS COMMENTS FROM-- I DON'T RECALL IF IT WAS-- IN FACT, I DO RECALL. FDOT CONCERNING THE EGRESS AND INGRESS TO THIS AND THE DISTANCE FROM, I GUESS, THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT OKEECHOBEE IN RELATIONSHIP-- I KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT REALLY IN THE BUILDING STAGES. BUT I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT DISTANCE. I HAD ALL ALONG. NOW, I'M HAPPY THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE AND DO SOMETHING WITH THAT DETERIORATING BUILDING THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR SEVERAL DECADES, IT SEEMS LIKE. AT LEAST 25 YEARS. MAYBE LONGER. I'M GLAD THAT IS GOING TO GO AWAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF IT WHEN YOU MAKE IT GO AWAY. I'VE GOT SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE EGRESS AND INGRESS INTO THIS FACILITY, AS WE MOVE FORWARD. IT IS SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO. AGAIN, BECAUSE WE HAVE A MEDIUM STRIP IN FRONT OF IT. >> SO I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. I KNOW YOU ARE KIND OF-- YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE USE. OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE GOING TO FOLLOW CODE, AND YOU KNOW, I EXPECT SOME SORT OF, YOU KNOW, [02:10:03] SITDOWN, HIGH-TURNOVER SITDOWN RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. WE DO HAVE A LETTER FROM DOT THAT HAS GIVEN US ACCESS FOR THE VERY FIRST PARCEL THAT WE ARE PLANNING. SO WE HAVE THAT LETTER. I BELIEVE IT WAS PROVIDED WITH THE APPLICATION. THEY OBVIOUSLY DID EXPRESS SOME CONCERNS. ONCE THE SECOND PARTSEL WAS-- PARCEL WAS DECIDED AND THAT USE COMES FORWARD, WE WILL GO BACK TO D.O.T. AGAIN, WORK OUT THOSE CONCERNS. WHETHER IT IS MODIFYING THE MEDIAN OR WHATEVER THAT-- WHATEVER IS REQUIRED AT THAT TIME. WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT, OBVIOUSLY. >> I HAVE SAID IN THIS LETTER, 250 FEET FROM HIGHWAY 70. THAT IS WHAT THEY SAID. >> RIGHT. >> WHERE DOES THAT 250 FEET START? THERE IS A RIGHT-HAND TURN, EXCLUSIVE RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE TO TURN INTO JENKINS ROAD OFF OF 70. SO DOES IT START FROM THE MARKERS OF THE TRAFFIC LANES OF 70 DOES IT START FROM THAT RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE? >> WELL, I THINK THAT IS REFERRING TO THE LOCATION OF OUR ACCESS ON OUR PARCEL. AND OUR PARCEL PROPERTY LINE IS, LIKE, 318 FEET. 250 FEET. WE WOULD TYPICALLY MEASURE FROM THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY. >> BUT THAT IS DEVELOPED BASED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT WE PROVIDED TO D.O.T. THEY BASICALLY SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS RANGE. THAT IS HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. IT IS JUST EDUCATION FOR ME AND MY BOARD. >> GOOD. >> ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT WILL GET HARDER AS WE GO. (LAUGHTER) ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANYONE,LY CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NOT HEARING ANY, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACC ACCEPT-- MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE FOR APPROVAL. SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MS. DANIEL? >> YES. >> MR. KREISL? >> YES. >> MR. HEANING? >> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS? >> YES. >> MS. CLEMONS? >> YES. >> MR. ALBURY? >> YES. >> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES, MA'AM. I'M-- WHY DID YOU STOP? (LAUGHTER) OKAY. [g. Preliminary Plat - Fort Pierce Commercial - 5553, 5555 and 5575 Okeechobee Road] NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND LAST IS 6-G. PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR FORT PIERCE COMMERCIAL-- I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO GET OUT OF ALL OF THIS. 553555 AND 5575 OKEECHOBEE ROAD. THIS IS CONCERNING THE PROPERTY THAT WE JUST BEAT UP FOR THE STORAGE FACILITY. I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE MOVED THIS FORWARD WITH THE STORAGE FACILITY TO FOLLOW IT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A SMOOTHER TRANSITION MAYBE. BUT GO AHEAD. >> HERE WE ARE. THE PLANNING BOARD, CHAIRMAN, TODAY BEFORE YOU IS AN APPLICATION FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE FORT PIERCE COMMERCIAL. THE APPLICANT IS TODD HOWDER OF MPV ENGINEERING. OKEEJENS IS PROPERTY OWNER. IN SUMMARY, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE THREE PARCELS INTO FIVE PLATTED PLOTS. THIS IS AN AERIAL MAP OF THE THREE PARCELS. 14.14 ACRES. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS GENERAL-COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS THE ZONING. THIS IS THE PLAT OF THE FIVE DIFFERENT PARCELS. AS YOU CAN SEE. [02:15:04] THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE PLANNING BOARD FORWARD THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THE PLANNING BOARD'S ACTIONS TODAY COULD BE THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT WHICH IS STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, OR THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMNARY PLAT WITH CHANGES OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT. THANK YOU. >> IS THIS KIND OF HOUSEKEEPING? >> YES. >> IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS A LONG TIME AGO? >> EY. I BELIEVE THIS IS A CONDITION THAT IS ON THAT APPLICATION. THE OTHER APPLICATION. >> THE OTHER APPLICATION. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ANYONE SPEAKING TO THIS? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR. MY NAME IS AARON STANTON. I'M WITH MBV ENGINEERING. I'M SUBBING IN FOR TODD HOWDER. I'M THE ENGINEER ON RECORD. I CAN SPEAK TO THE PROJECT. I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND THEIR REVIEW. THEY TODAY THOROUGH JOB WITH THIS. AND WE ARE KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THIS NOW. THIS IS FIVE PARCELS. WE'VE GOT THE CHIPOTLE AND RETAIL ON PARCEL TWO. I'M SORRY. PARCEL FIVE WOULD BE THE WAW'S. PARCEL TWO IS THE ALDI'S BEING CONSTRUCTED NOW. PARCEL THREE IS YOUR APPLICANT EARLIER. PARCEL FOUR IS THE STORMWATER TRACK FOR PARCELS ONE, TWO, AND THREE. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> QUESTIONS THIS-- QUESTIONS? YOUR DAY IS EASY. AND YOU GOT THE WHOLE AFTERNOON OFF FROM THE OFFICE. >> YEAH. >> WASN'T THIS AN EXCITING AFTERNOON? >> IT WAS GOOD. IT WAS GOOD. ENDED WELL. (LAUGHTER) ALL RIGHT. NO QUESTIONS. NONE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS? NOT SEEING ANYONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. NOT HEARING ANY, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MR. ALBURY? >> YES. >> MR. KREISL? >> YES. >> MR. HEANING? >> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS? >> YES. MS. CLEMONS? >> YES. >> MS. DANIEL? >> YES. CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER? >> YES. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE OUR AGENDA-- I HAVE LOST IT. I PUT IT AWAY SOMEWHERE. >> COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. ALL THE PUBLIC IS GONE. THEY ARE ALL RUNNING OUT AT ONCE. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY [8. DIRECTOR'S REPORT] PUBLIC COMMENTS. DIRECTOR'S REPORT? >> SOME EXCITING NEWS. WE HAVE RECRUITED A PLANNER. MS. CARRIE CHARLES. SHE WILL BE-- SHE HAS JOINED US FOR A WEEK ALREADY. AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING HER SIT NEXT TO ME AND BE INTERROGATED. >> THERE YOU GO. MS. CHARLES? >> YES, SIR. >> STEP FORD AND TELL US ABOUT YOURSELF. THIS IS WHERE YOU GET TO REALLY BRAG ON YOURSELF. >> OKAY. >> I MEAN, THERE IS SEVERAL MILLION PEOPLE WATCHING YOU RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY. >> NO PRESSURE. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CARRIE CHARLES. I'M A NATIVE OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. I RECENTLY MOVE BAND. MOVED BACK HERE THREE YEARS AGO. I WAS LIVING UP NORTH BRIEFLY IN GEORGIA WORKING WITH VERIZON AS A CORPORATE TRAINER FOR NEW HIRES. I'M JUST HAPPY TO BE A PART OF THE CITY. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS SOMETHING I CAN DEFINITELY EXERT MY PASSION. I DO HAVE A PROJECT MANAGEMENT DEGREE. SO AGAIN, I'M JUST HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE BOARD. WELL, THE CITY. >> WELL, THES VERY GOOD THAT YOU HAVE GOTTEN YOUR EDUCATION. YOU MOVED AWAY. YOU BUILT A RESUME AND CAME BACK TO FORT PIERCE TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR HOMELAN. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> SO TO SPEAK. >> I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. >> WELL, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU AND HAVE YOU BACK IN THE CITY. I'M SURE YOUR RELATIVES ARE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU BACK IN THE CITY. >> MY MOTHER IS. DEFINITELY. >> AT LEAST FOR NOW. (LAUGHTER) BUT VERY GOOD. WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU [02:20:06] WITH US. I HAVE ALREADY HEARD SOME GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOU. >> OH, OKAY. >> I HOPE TO SEE A LOT MORE OF GOOD THINGS ABOUT YOU. >> YES. I LOOK FORWARD TO SHOWING YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE THE GOOD THINGS THAT I HAVE. SO YES. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, THERE IS NO DOUBT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP. I MEAN, NO MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU GET, IT PROBABLY WILL THEY HAVE BE ENOUGH. >> I'LL NEVER ADMIT TO IT EVER BEING ENOUGH. >> I MEAN, WE HAVE BEEN UNDERSTAFFED FOR SO LONG. >> YEAH. >> AND IT IS GOOD TO SEE THAT WE ARE FINALLY WILLING TO START STAFFING UP A LITTLE BIT. SO I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE YOU ARE STILL IN THE HONEYMOON PERIOD. >> NO. >> NOT ANYMORE. IT WAS DONE AND OVER. >> THAT IS IT. YUP. >> WELL, YOU ARE IN THE HONEYMOON PERIOD. >> YES. >> WELL, MAYBE NOT. >> STILL THERE. YEAH. >> YOU MADE ME COME HERE AND TALK TO 20 MILLION PEOPLE. VERY GOOD. WELL, I'M GLAD TO HAVE YOU. AND ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO THIS CHARMING YOUNG LADY? >> WELCOME ABOARD. >> WELCOME HOME. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING FURTHER? >> I JUST WANT-- I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO BE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STATE AND THE HOUSE AT THE MOMENT WITH THE NUMBER OF LEGISLATIVE ACTION ITEMS COMING FORWARD WHICH DO AFFECT A LOT OF WHAT WE COULD BE DOING OR COULDN'T BE DOING OR OVERSEEING OR NOT. SO YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING COMES OF THESE THINGS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, I WILL BRING THEM UP TO THE BOARD TO UPDATE YOU ALL ON WHERE THESE THINGS ARE. THERE ARE SOME INTERESTING ITEMS MOVING FORWARD. >> YES, THERE ARE. SOME VERY-- COULD TAX US-- NOT IN DOLLARS. BUT OUR ABILITY TO FUNCTION IN THE WAY WE WOULD LIKE TO FUNCTION. SO YES. INDEED. >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> THAT IS ALL YOU HAVE? >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE TODAY. >> YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, TOO. >> THANK YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE TOLD YOU THAT LATELY. >> I TRY TO GET YOU TO SAY IT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE. IT IS GOOD TO HEAR. >> EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, I DON'T KNOW. THE CAMERA MAY NOT CATCH IT. BUT HE HOLDS UP A PIECE OF PAPER. (LAUGHTER) I THINK WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE YOU. A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING SINCE YOU HAVE ARRIVED. FROM WHAT I CAN SEE, THE STAFF IS VERY HAPPY. THEY ARE ALWAYS SMILING. AND FOR A WHILE, I WASN'T SEEING SMILES WHEN I CAME INTO THE OFFICE UPSTAIRS. I'M GLAD THAT I'M SEEING THEM. I THINK YOU ARE CRIBBING TO THAT. >> WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD STAFF HERE. >> WE DO. >> I THANK THEM ALL THE TIME FOR WHAT THEY DO. I CAN'T THANK THEM ENOUGH AS WELL. >> OUR STAFF HAS SUFFERED THROUGH A LOT OF ABUSES THAT THEY CERTAINLY DIDN'T DESERVE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. SEVERAL KIRSTIE. SEVERAL YEARS. THEY HAVE HUNG IN THERE. >> THEY HAVE. YEAH. >> THAT SAYS A LOT. FOR THE WHOLE CITY, ACTUALLY. ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY FROM THE [9. BOARD COMMENTS] BOARD? Y'ALL GET A CHANCE TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT. NOBODY SAYING ANYTHING. >> I'LL SPEAK. I'LL SPEAK. >> YOU NOTICE I LOOKED RIGHT AT YOU. >> YES. FIRST, I WANT TO SAY JUST SO WE ARE ALWAYS ON THE SAME PAGE AND WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FORWARD FOR THE CITY, NEVER CONFUSE MY PASSION FOR FORT PIERCE, MY HOMETOWN FOR ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN BEING CONCERNED FOR THE CITY. AND THOSE THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AND THOSE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO BE HERE AS LONG AS THEY CAN, I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU, KEVIN, FOR JUST BEING ABLE TO CLARIFY AND PROVIDE ANSWERS L LIKE-- YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING I LEAN ON AND ALSO FIND AS AN INSPIRATION AS WELL AND SEE MYSELF IN THAT SAME POSITION IN THE FUTURE. YES. JUST PIGGYBACKING BACK ON THE SIDEWALK SITUATION. I KNOW WE HAVE KIND OF BEAT IT UP. BUT JUST THROWING OUT [02:25:01] SUGGESTIONS. YOU KNOW, SINCE WE ARE HERE. SO I KNOW WITH THE SIDEWALKS SITUATION AND HOW THEY COULD PAY A PRICE OR HAVE IT WAIVED, IS THERE A WAY OR DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF, I GUESS FIVE-YEAR PROMISE IN A SENSE OF IF THERE ISN'T ANYTHING ELSE COMING IN TO BUILD ON THAT, THAT THEY WILL THEN HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT SIDEWALK? >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT IF WE DO NOT SEE A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN PLACE, THAT THEY CAN PAY, TOO. WE ARE SAYING UNLESS THERE IS REALLY SOME FUNDAMENTAL REASON WHY THE SIDEWALK CANNOT GO IN, YOU SHOULD BE PUTTING A SIDEWALK IN. >> RIGHT. >> THAT IS AN INTERNAL POLICY THAT I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH ENGINEERING IN THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF. WE ARE FIXATED ON THAT. WE HAVE DISCUSSED WE WANT THE COUNTY TO BE AWARE, THAT IF AN APPLICANT COMES FORWARD WITH A PROPOSED AGREEMENT TO PAY-- FOR A PAYMENT IN LIEU, THAT THEY DEFER THAT FIRST DECISION TO THE CITY ENGINEERING STAFF. AND THE CITY ENGINEERING STAFF WILL CONFER WITH PLANNING. WE WILL DISCUSS IT INTERNALLY. IF IT MEETS OUR INTERNAL POLICY THAT SHAY SHOULD-- THAT THEY SHOULD PUT A SIDEWALK IN, THEY SHOULD PUT A SIDEWALK IN. >> RIGHT. >> AND IF THEY NEED TO GO TO THE COUNTY FOR A PAYMENT IN LIEU, OR THEY NEED A VARIANCE OR A WAIVER, THEN THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED DURING PLANNING BOARD. SO WE WANT THIS OUT THERE. THIS IS GOING TO BE PART OF A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION FROM NOW ON FROM THE APPLICANTS TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT PUTTING THAT SIDEWALK IN UNLESS THERE IS A REAL SPECIFIC HINDRANCE TO THEM DOING THAT. AND THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, IN SOME INSTANCES. OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS TO GET THE SIDEWALKS IN. WE'VE GOT TOO MANY MISSING LINKS. A MISSING LINK IN ITSELF, IS A STEP FORWARD. WE UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT, ESSENTIALLY, GOING TO GET A WHOLE STREET OF SIDEWALKS GOING IN AT THE SAME TIME. IF THERE IS NOT SIDEWALKS THERE. IF WE START TO PUT THESE LINKS IN, THERE IS LESS ARGUMENT TO SAY, WELL, NOBODY ELSE HAS GOT ONE. YOU KNOW? AND THAT IS THE MOST FAMILIAR ARGUMENT THAT I GET. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A CONNECTION. SO WHY SHOULD WE PUT THAT IN? >> GOING NOWHERE. >> EVERYBODY CONTINUES TO SAY, THAT WILL NEVER HAVE ANY CONNECTION. SOMEBODY HAS TO BE FIRST. >> RIGHT. >> YOU KNOW? >> RIGHT. >> WE ARE GRANTING THEM A BENEFIT OF BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP SOMETHING IN THE CITY. THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING OUT OF BEING ABLE TO DEVELOP IN THIS CITY. AND WE ARE MAKING IT BETTER. WE ARE MAKING IT MORE VALUABLE FOR THEM. AND THEIR NEIGHBORS. IF WE HAVE SIDEWALK AND PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIVITY IN THE CITY. >> RIGHT. >> YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF OF THEARGUMENTS IN THE DISCUSSIN TODAY. THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. WELL, IT GOES NO WHERE. IT WOULD GO NOWHERE. THE YOUNG LADY WAS RIGHT. THAT IS AN ARGUMENT THAT WE GET A LOT. BUT INDEED, AS WE-- IF WE CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THESE SIDEWALKS NEED TO GO IN, THEN SOONER OR LATER, THERE WILL BE CONNECTIVITY TO THEM. >> YES. >> SIDEWALKS ARE IMPORTANT. YOU KNOW, AVENUE D, THERE WAS A GOOD QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOTP PRETTY SOON. AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH IT. I THINK WE GOT THE COMMITMENT OUT OF THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. AND WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE. I THINK HE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT YOUR CONCERNS WERE. AND WHAT THE OVERALL BOARD WAS IN LINE WITH YOU. THAT THERE WAS NO QUESTION TH THERE. ILED A HAD A LITTLE PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT YOU DIDN'T V. THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. >> RIGHT. >> I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE I WAS TRYING TO STIFLE YOUR INPUT. I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO STOP THIS WHEEL FROM TURNING AND GET THE OWNER DOWN TO THE PROPERTY SO HE COULD ALERT US ALL AFTER WHAT HIS PLANS WERE. [02:30:01] WE'VE GOT A LITTLE PREVIEW OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE FROM THAT. BUT IT IS ALL GOOD STUFF. AND THE MORE YOU LEARN AT SCHOOL, THE BETTER YOU ARE GETTING. (LAUGHTER). >> I THINK THESE TWO CLASSES I'M TAKING IS URBAN HOUSING ISSUES AND PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. (LAUGHTER). >> YES. >> THAT IS GOING TO BE EXCITING TO LEARN ABOUT. >> YOU KNOW, WE DON'T GET A LOT OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT NOTIFYING THE PUBLIC IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE DO FOR THE COMMISSIONER MEETINGS. I'M STILL OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT WE SHOULD BE. >> I'M TALKING TO THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THAT. YES. >> YOU KNOW, IF WE ARE VENTING THE PROJECT, THE APPLICANT FOR THE COMMISSION, WE SHOULD HAVE PUBLIC INPUT. IT COULD, AT TIMES, BE THAT THE PUBLIC INPUT MAKES US COME TO A DIFFERENT OPINION ON HOW TO MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD. IT WOULD ONLY ALLOW US TO DO A BETTER JOB FOR THE COMMISSION. >> YES. >> I ONLY HAVE ONE COMMENT. I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE. WELL, I HAVE A COUPLE. >> I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT THIS BOARD IS IN ATTENDANCE THE WAY THAT YOU ARE. THE DEDICATION THAT YOU SHOW TO THE COMMITMENT YOU HAVE MADE, TO OUR COMMISSIONERS WHO MAY HAVE APPOINTED YOU AS A SOLE APPOINTEE OR IF IT WAS FROM A VOTE IN THE COMMISSION, THAT YOU WERE VOTED ON TO THIS BOARD. EITHER WAY, I'M VERY APPRECIATIVE THAT THIS BOARD SHOWS THE DEDICATION THAT YOU SHOW TO THIS RESPONSIBILITY. AND IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS SOMETHING THAT'S DESPERATELY NEEDED FOR THE COMMISSION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE, AND I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT TAKING PLACE THAT AS THIS BOARD GETS BETTER AND BETTER, AND WE ARE GETTING BETTER, EVEN WITH THE YOUNGER-- NOT NECESSARILY YOUNG IN AGE, ALTHOUGH MANY OF YOU ARE YOUNG IN AGE, BUT AS YOU FIRST ENTER% THE BOARD, I DON'T THINK IT TAKES OUR MEMBERS VERY LONG F TO START TO COME UP TO SPEED AND GAIN SOME EXPERIENCE BECAUSE OF THE CROSS-SECTION OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE ARE SEEING. F WHEN I JOINED THIS BOARD, I PROBABLY JOINED AT ONE OF THE WORST TIMES I COULD HAVE JOINED THE BOARD. IT WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE TURMOIL OF DIRECTORS IN THE C CITY, AND WE CERTAINLY HAD OUR SHARE OF TURMOIL IN THE CITY WITH OUR DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS. EACH DIRECTOR THAT CAME ALONG SEEMED TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING FROM HERE. (LAUGHTER) I MEAN, YOU ARE A LONG-TERMER NOW. YOU KNOW. I THINK THAT WE ARE-- WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, PROBABLY 80% OF WHAT WE WERE HEARING, MAYBE MORE THAN THAT, WAS SHORT-TERM RENTALS. REMEMBER THAT? ALL THE CONDITIONAL USE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AND THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO WITH ANY OF THEM. I MEAN, WE COULD SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT FOR AN HOUR AND DEBATE IT AND JUST WEAR IT OUT. AT THE END, THERE WAS ONLY, ONLY ONE RECOMMENDATION WE COULD MAKE. THAT WAS TO APPROVE IT. THE STATE BOXED US IN. SO NOW WE ARE SEEING CASES AND APPLICATIONS THAT ALL OF YOU ARE GETTING A LOT OF EXPOSURE THAT IS GOING TO PROVE TO BE VERY VALUABLE AS TIME GOES ON. I'M HOPING THAT Y'ALL SHOW SOME LONGEVITY AND DON'T GET WORN OUT AND COMMISSIONERS DON'T CHANGE SEATS AND WE HAVE TO START ALL OVER. I THINK WE'VE GOT THE FOUNDATION OF A VERY GOOD BOARD HERE NOW. THE OTHER THING I DO WANT TO COMMENT AGAIN, I AM GOING IN FOR HIP REPLACEMENT AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT I WILL BE HERE FOR NEXT MONTH'S MEETING IS STILL UP IN THE AIR. I CERTAINLY AM LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO COME BECAUSE IF [02:35:02] I CAN'T, THEN THERE IS A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN MISSING THE MEETING. SO I HOPE THAT I CAN BE IN ATTENDANCE. IF NOT, YOU HAVE A BIG JOB AHEAD OF YOU, GIRL. SHE PROMISED ME SHE WOULD BE READY. SO ALSO, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF A PROJECT THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD TO THIS BOARD THAT I WILL HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM. AND IF IT DOES COME BEFORE THE BOARD, THERE IS ALSO A POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD BECOME A BIT COMPLICATED. EVEN FOR THIS BOARD, DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN THE BACKGROUND WITH LAND OWNERS AND STAKE HOLDERS. I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HOW I SPEAK TO THIS. THERE IS SOME LEGAL ISSUES IN THE BACKGROUND THAT COULD VERY EASILY MAKE THAT RATHER COMPLICATED. ANDLY NOT BE ABLE TO-- AGAIN, WILL NOT BE ABLE TO F CHAIR THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING. HOPEFULLY, IT IS NOT ON NEXT MONO'S DOCKET. IN MY VIEWPOINT. BUT IN THE DEVELOPER'S VIEWPOINT, HE IS HOPING IT IS. I HAVE NO OPPOSITION PERSONALLY TO IT. BUT THERE IS SOME OPPOSITION TO IT. OUTSIDE OF THAT, I CAN'T SAY ANY MORE ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK I HAVE EVER STEPPED ANYTHING THERE. >> IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE, LET'S ADJOURN. IS * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.