[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject on this agenda may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Chairperson, as this section of the Agenda is limited to fifteen minutes. The FPRA Board will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Chairperson, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA'S COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> THIS IS WHEN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS FOOD.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

WE WILL GIVE YOU A THREE SECOND WARNING.

>> DARYL BAY, 809, DELAWARE. IN APRIL OF 2022, I WAS AWARDED -- FOR MY PROPERTY.

I AM HAPPY TO REPORT 11 MONTHS LATER, I HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT.

I GOT A BUILDING PERMIT WITHIN SIX MONTHS.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT TOOK 11. I THINK THAT WAS A BIT TOO LONG. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH ME OFF LINE WHAT THE ISSUE WAS, I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT I THINK EVERYONE WHO HELPED PUSH THIS THROUGH. I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS? I SEE NO MOVEMENT. WE WILL MOVE ON.

I DIDN'T SEE YOU, SORRY, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS GUS GUTIERREZ. >> YOUR ADDRESS?

>> 100, SOUTH SECOND STREET. COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR, I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH -- I AM NOT SURE IF NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME. THIS WAS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IS NOW THE RIGHT TIME? >> FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY SUBJECT. OKAY.

>> THIS WAS REGARDING THE JCPENNEY LOT THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS. I JUST WANTED THE CITY, THE COMMISSIONER, THE BOARD, CITY MANAGER, THEY ARE DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB, JUST TAKE ADVANTAGE TO BRING UP THE CITY AND CONTINUE THE PROGRESS OF OUR CITY.

I KNOW THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION WITH REGARDS TO MAKING 1 MILLION DOLLAR OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING LOT. THE JCPENNEY LOT HAS BEEN CALLED THE JCPENNEY LOT FOR 40 YEARS, I GUESS SINCE JCPENNEY WAS THERE. I THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO RENAME IT FOR A MASTER PLAN. AND JUST LOOK AT THE IDEA OF RENAMING THAT WITH SOMETHING THAT RELATES TO THE MASTER PLAN INSTEAD OF THE JCPENNEY LOT. AND MORE IMPORTANT, I THINK IT IS ALSO A GOOD TIME TO CONSIDER THAT THAT MILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD GO TOWARDS IMPROVING THE EXISTING LOT COULD GO TOWARDS THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE INVESTED IN THE CITY THAT HAS ALSO BEEN PART OF A MASTER PLAN, I THINK FOR OVER 25 YEARS.

THAT HAS BEEN TO MAKE THAT A MIXED USE GARAGE FOR OUR CITY, AND FOR THE MASTER PLAN. THAT MILLION DOLLARS WOULD BE A NICE CATALYST FOR A PUBLIC, PRIVATE COLLABORATION.

IN ADDITION TO PERHAPS SOME OF THE FUNDS THAT MIGHT BE COMING FROM THE SALE OF PROPERTIES. I KNOW THERE IS TALK TO BRINGING SALES, WITH SOME OF THE CITY PROPERTIES, MAYBE $5 MILLION OR SO PLUS $1 MILLION NOW WITH THIS THAT WOULD BE A NICE $6 MILLION, PLUS THE LOT AND THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

TO REALLY BRING FORTH ANOTHER MASTER PLAN REALIZATION THAT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT OUR CITY, AND THAT MASTER PLAN FOR 25 YEARS HAS BEEN SITTING ON A SHELF.

THIS WOULD BE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THE FUNDS TO GO TOWARDS THE MASTER PLAN. THAT IS IT, THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> THANK YOU, ANYONE ELSE, ANYONE ELSE? NO ONE?

WE WILL MOVE ON. >> NEXT WE HAVE A CONSENT

[6. CONSENT AGENDA]

AGENDA. >> IS THERE A MOTION?

>> MOVED. >> SECOND.

>> THERE IS A MOTION AND SECOND, CALL THE WORLD PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES, CMMISSIONER JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK,

[a. Incubate Neighborhood Center Project Update]

CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON. NEXT WE HAVE THE PROJECT UPDATE.

>> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE HAVE WITH US MISS GARDNER. PLEASE COME UP.

SHE WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE INCUBATE NEIGHBORHOOD

CENTER. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE HAVE IT SLIDES. VERY BRIEFLY --

>> HAVE THEY'VE BEEN LOADED ON? THE SLIDES?

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OKAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS GARDNER, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

WITH OUR MIXED-USE APPLICATION. >> BE SURE TO SAVE IT TO THE DESKTOP AS WELL, PLEASE. WE NEED THAT.

THANK YOU. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.

TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T WORK RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THE DOCUMENTS WERE SUBMITTED TODAY FOR THE THIRD TIME.

HOPEFULLY THIRD TIME IS THE CHARM.

ONCE THE PERMIT IS APPROVED IT ANTICIPATES -- HOROSCOPES TRACTION WE'LL BE OUR CONSTRUCTION COMPANY OF RECORD. CONSTRUCTION WOULD START 2 TO 3 WEEKS AFTER WE GET THE PERMIT JUST BECAUSE IT IS HARD FOR US TO PLAN WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE THE DATE IN WHICH WE ARE GOING TO GET THE PERMIT ON HAND. FUNDING AND SECURED BY WAY OF ALLEGHENY MINISTRIES. THESE ARE THE CHANGES NEEDED TO SATISFY THE PERMIT. WE HAVE TO DO TO RESTROOMS, FOR ONE HOUR FIRE ENCLOSURE, TOP AND BOTTOM AND TO UTILIZE THE UPSTAIRS, REPLACE THE FIRE DOORS, INSTALL AC UPSTAIRS, AND DOWNSTAIRS. WE ARE DOING IT IN TWO DIFFERENT PHASES. THE FIRST PHASE IS PRETTY MUCH TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING DOWNSTAIRS IS DONE.

THAT IS TO ADD THE TWO BATHROOMS, WE HAVE TO REPLACE SOME OF THE DOORS. INSTALL THE AIR CONDITIONER IN THE ROOMS THAT DO NOT HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONER.

WE HAVE TO PUT TWO OTHER ENCLOSURES AROUND EACH STAIRCASE AND THE TIMELINE IS THREE MONTHS.

UPSTAIRS WE ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND JUST BUILD OUT OUR BUSINESS INCUBATOR SPACE AFTER WE GET DONE DOWNSTAIRS.

THAT IS ABOUT A 6 TO 8-MONTH TURNAROUND.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE ADDING THE HYDRAULIC LIFT, HAVING A 1600 SQUARE FOOT SHARED WORK SPACE. WE HAVE TO REPLACE AND ADD NEW AIR CONDITIONERS UPSTAIRS. UPGRADE THE BATHROOMS, AT THE FURNITURE, INTERIOR PAINTING, WE ALREADY HAVE THE PAINT.

AT A COPY AND PRINT CENTER, WE ALREADY HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT.

TABLES AND CHAIRS FOR THE CLASSROOM IS ALSO SECURE.

WE ARE ADDING A CONFERENCE ROOM UPSTAIRS AND WE DO HAVE A TABLE AND CHAIRS FOR THAT. BUILD OUT A BREAK ROOM AND SOME INDIVIDUAL OFFICE SPACES. WE ARE EAGER TO COMPLETE THESE TASKS NEEDED TO RESUME PREVIOUS SERVICES ONCE THE PERMIT IS COMPLETE. DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

ANY QUESTIONS? >> MADAM CHAIR, I AM SORRY.

THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING AN UPDATE.

I HAVE BEEN ANXIOUSLY AWAITING. BASED ON THIS, THE TAKEAWAY IS THAT WE ARE WAITING ON A BUILDING PERMIT BUT AFTER THAT, YOU ANTICIPATE WITH EVERYTHING, 6 TO 8 WEEKS, WILL CONSTRUCTION BE COMPLETED? DID I SEE THAT?

6 TO 8 MONTHS, SORRY. >> THAT IS FOR THE UPSTAIRS.

THE DOWNSTAIRS IS GOING TO TAKE THREE MONTHS.

>> DOWNSTAIRS, THREE MONTHS, UPSTAIRS --

>> 6 TO 8. >> OKAY.

AND YOU ARE DOING IT IN PHASES? YOU WILL DO THE DOWNSTAIRS FIRST, RIGHT? THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR YOU TO OPEN THE BUILDING, I GUESS THAT IS KIND OF A GENERAL QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IF THAT IS THE PHASE.

DO YOU ANTICIPATE BEING ABLE TO OPEN THE BUILDING ONCE THE DOWNSTAIRS IS COMPLETED ONCE YOU WORK ON THE UPSTAIRS?

IS THAT THE UNDERSTANDING? >> IT IS THE BUILDING DIRECTOR'S DISCRETION. WHETHER OR NOT HE WILL PERMIT US TO BE OPEN WHILE WE ARE DOING THE DOWNSTAIRS.

BUT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE DOWNSTAIRS SO IT IS COMPLETELY TO TODAY'S CODE. SO WE WILL BE 100% AND COMPLIANCE. SO TO ADD THE 88 -- THE LYFT UPSTAIRS. WE MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF TRACTION WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE ENGAGED AND INVOLVED IN A PROJECT THAT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO JUST GO AHEAD AND FINISH THE BUSINESS INCUBATOR WHICH IS GOING TO BE A GREAT ASSET FOR THE

COMMUNITY. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> JUST TO BE CLEAR, I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ASKING IS ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE AFTER THE THREE MONTHS WHILE THE CONSTRUCTION IS GOING ON

UPSTAIRS? >> YES.

>> I THINK THAT HER ANSWER REALLY WAS WE DO NOT --

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I'M NOT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE UPSTAIRS IN THE LEVEL OF CONSTRUCTION WITH THAT, WOULD IT PROHIBIT -- I WILL TAKE IT UP WITH STAFF TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

I WANT TO GET YOUR INTENTION, AND I HAVE.

>> THE PLANS ACTUALLY ARE FOR UPSTAIRS AS WELL.

>> GOT IT, THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

[b. The Root Update]

YEAH? ANY OTHER QUESTION?

OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NEXT WE HAVE THE ROOT

UPDATE. >> ALL RIGHT, THIS TIME MADAM CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE LINCOLN PARK YOUNG PROFESSIONALS THAT WILL GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE ROOF PROJECT, WHICH IS LOCATED ON THE 1100 BLOCK OF AVENUE D.

>> YOU CAN DO IT, OR I CAN DO IT.

HOWEVER YOU LIKE. OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS CHASTITY HARRY, AND I AM A MEMBER OF THE LINCOLN PARK PROFESSIONALS. I AM HERE TO UPDATE -- THIS PROJECT INITIALLY STARTED A FEW YEARS BACK.

IT WAS OUR GOAL TO HAVE AN OUTDOOR VENDING SPACE THAT PROVIDED ENTERTAINMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT DEALT WITH SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS AND ENTERTAINMENT.

WE DO HAVE A TIMELINE. THIS IS -- YOU CAN GO BACK. HERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE AN ACTUAL PICTURE OF WHAT THE SPACE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

IT WOULD INCLUDE OUR LIBRARY THAT PROVIDES BOOKS TO OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE COULD COME AND READ, PEOPLE COULD TAKE THE BOOK WITH THEM WITHOUT BRINGING IT BACK.

WE ALSO WILL HAVE A ROOM SPACE WHERE WE CAN GATHER AND HAVE COMMUNITY EVENTS AND ALSO A PROTECTION WHERE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS CAN COME AND PROVIDE FOOD.

>> I HAVE ERIN FROM -- SHE IS OUR NEW GENERAL CONSTRUCTION MANAGER THAT WILL PROVIDE THE TIMELINE OF THE

CONSTRUCTION. >> HI EVERYONE.

COULD YOU GET CLOSER TO THE MIC AND SAY ARE FIRST AND LAST NAME?

>> WELCOME. FOR THE SITE WORK, WE ARE STILL A COUPLE OF MONTHS OUT, WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A FEW STEPS BEFORE WE CAN START WORK. WE ARE LOOKING TO IMMOBILIZE AND JULY. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE COMPLETE THE PRICING OF THE PROJECT, THE SCOPE, SO WE HAVE A ROUGH TIMELINE AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING IT BEING DONE BY THE END OF THE YEAR OR SOONER. UNTIL WE KNOW SPECIFICALLY THE TIME ON SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO OVER PROMISE SOMETHING.

THAT MIGHT NOT BE MATERIAL, IT MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE RIGHT AWAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THE TIMELINE THERE, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF PROCESS?

>> AT ONE POINT THIS WAS A CONTAINER KIND OF VILLAGE SO THOSE ASSETS HAVE THEN BEEN MOVED AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEM.

ARE YOU IN POSSESSION OF THEM, OR ARE YOU IN THE PROCESS OF PREPARING THOSE UNITS TO BE INSTALLED?

WHAT IS THE PROCESS WITH THOSE? >> THE SHIPPING CONTAINERS HAVE BEEN MOVED OVER TO A YARD NEAR PUBLIC WORKS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY. THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE LOCATED RIGHT NOW. ONCE THOSE SHIPPING CONTAINERS ARE SET IN PLACE ON THE CONCRETE FOUNDATIONS, THAT IS WHEN WE WILL START MODIFYING THEM.

JUST BECAUSE THEY LOOKS DIRTY, BUT ONCE YOU START CUTTING THEM OPEN AND CHANGING THAT STRUCTURE THEY ARE NOT QUITE SO STURDY TO BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT THEM AFTER THEY ARE MODIFIED.

WE WILL WAIT UNTIL THAT HAPPENS.

>> OKAY. YOUR TIMELINE TO GET INTO THIS,

YOU SAID IS BEFORE? >> THAT IS RIGHT.

BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR TO BE COMPLETELY WITH CONSTRUCTION,

YES. >> CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY UPDATE? I KNOW THAT YOU ARE ACQUIRING THE CONSTRUCTION SITE AND PROCESS. I SAW A WHOLE DOG.

I ASSUME SOME TYPES AND INFRASTRUCTURE WENT IN.

CAN YOU TALK TO ME A BIT ABOUT YOUR ASSESSMENT FOR THIS

PROJECT, WHERE IT IS THAT? >> IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE THE STORM DRAIN WAS INSTALLED ON SITE.

A FINAL CONNECTION TO THE STREET TO THE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM HAS NOT BEEN MADE YET BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THE PIPING AND THE DRAINS FOR A STORM DRAIN IS IN PLACE ON SITE.

THAT WAS DONE PREVIOUS TO US COMING ON BOARD.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY, GREAT PERSEVERANCE.

I KNOW THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED THAT PUT US HERE.

SO I AM EXCITED THAT THIS PROJECT IS BACK ON BOARD.

[00:15:01]

THAT YOU DIDN'T GIVE UP. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE HAD CONVERSATIONS. YOU WERE TIRED.

SO I AM GLAD THAT YOU DIDN'T AND I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS JUST GOING TO BE ANOTHER EXIT TO THAT AREA. AND SOMETHING THAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE OF YOUNG PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE AND OLD PEOPLE -- YOUNG AT HEART, CAN COME AND HAVE A GOOD TIME. SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD THAT WE PERSEVERE AND THAT WE ARE HERE AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO BEING THERE AND HAVING YOU CUT THIS IN OPENING DAY IN DECEMBER

OF 2023. >> YES, COMMISSIONER?

>> I RECOLLECT THIS PROJECT GOING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD YEARS AGO. I WILL SAY THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO. IS THAT PROBABLY ACCURATE? CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING IT TO THE TEN YARD LINE.

I AM ASSUMING BASED ON YOUR SCHEDULE HERE THAT -- WHICH IS AGGRESSIVE, IT IS GREAT BECAUSE YOU WILL BE UP THERE BANGING NAILS AND ALL THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION STUFF YOU'VE GOT TO DO THAT YOU HAVE YOUR FUNDING IN PLACE AND YOU COULD JUST MOVE THIS WHOLE THING FORWARD TO FRUITION.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> CONGRATULATIONS.

I REMEMBER SEEING THE CONCEPT OF THIS AND I SCRATCHED MY HEAD A LITTLE BIT AND AFTER GIVING IT A LOT MORE THOUGHT, I SAID THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. SO IT IS GOING TO BE A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR CONTINUING TO WORK ON IT FOR AS MANY YEARS AS YOU HAVE.

WHEN I SAW IT ON THE AGENDA I SAID I THINK I HAVE SEEN THAT FOUR YEARS AGO. CONGRATULATIONS.

IT IS A VERY EXCITING PROJECT. >> THANK YOU AGAIN.

>> IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT. GOOD JOB.

ANYBODY ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> PRIOR TO US LEAVING WE DO HAVE A REQUEST OF EXPEDITING OR BUILDING PLAN TRANSFER REVIEW.

ALSO EXTENDING OUR LEAST FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.

>> SO, TELL US IF THAT -- I DO NOT THINK THAT WE CAN DO THAT RIGHT HERE ON THE SPOT, CAN WE?

>> I WOULD NOT ADVISE YOU DO THAT.

NUMBER ONE, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TREAT THIS PROJECT WITH THE URGENCY THAT WE TREAT EVERY PROJECT.

NUMBER TWO, I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A LEASE EXTENSION BEING PROPOSED. WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE ENTITY FIRST. THEN HAVE THAT WRITTEN PROPOSAL SUBMITTED TO THIS BOARD FOR YOU TO DIGEST, CONSIDER, AND THEN YOU COULD REVIEW IT AT A FOLLOWING FUTURE MEETING.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MADAM CHAIR, JUST QUICK.

COULD YOU REMIND ME THE CURRENT LEAST TERMS WITH THIS PROJECT?

IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S FINE. >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD -- YOU PROBABLY KNOW IT WAS A FIVE-YEAR LEASE.

WE ARE PROBABLY IN YEAR THREE OR FOUR RIGHT NOW?

>> YES. >> THANKS.

>> SO I WANT TO REITERATE, NOBODY GETS TO JUMP THE QUEUE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S RIGHT AND THE LEASE EXTENSION IS SOMETHING THAT NORMALLY YOU WOULD WORK WITH STAFF AND THE STAFF WOULD BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION. SO IN THE FUTURE THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. OKAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

[c. JCPenney Parking Lot Improvements]

>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE JCPENNEY PARKING LOT

IMPROVEMENTS. >> ALL RIGHT.

THE CITY ENGINEER IS GOING TO COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT WHAT THE OLD PEOPLE CALL THE JCPENNEY PARKING LOT AND WHAT THE NEW PEOPLE CALLED THE SELFISH PARKING LOT AND WE'RE GUS IS GOING TO SPONSORED THE NAME AND WE ARE GOING TO CALL IT THE GUS GUTIERREZ PARKING LOT.

BUT -- THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

JACK IS GOING TO COME AND GIVE US AN UPDATE ON HIS DESIGN

PROGRESS. >> MR. ANDREWS?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON MADAM CHAIR. BORN MEMBERS.

GOOD AFTERNOON, THIS IS TO ASK ME TO LOOK AT BRINGING THE JCPENNEY PARKING LOT THAT WE ALL KNOW ADDS UP TO STANDARDS, CITY STANDARDS. I TOOK THE EXISTING LAYOUT THAT WE HAVE AND WE HAVE A GOOD MANY EFFICIENCIES IN THE PARKING LOT FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL ON OUR HANDICAP PARKING SPACES, WE DO NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED FIVE FOOT ACCESS.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO CORRECT AND THAT IS IN

[00:20:01]

THAT SITUATION. THE ACCESS BETWEEN THE PARKING ARE A GOOD CAUSE FOR 26 FEET. WE HAVE 21.

SO IT IS A TIGHT PARKING AREA. AND THERE IS A LOT OF LITTLE NUANCES THAT WE COULD IMPROVE AND IN LANDSCAPING AND EVERYTHING TO BRING IT UP TO CODE.

SO I LOOKED AT THE POSSIBLE WAYS THAT WE CAN BRING THIS UP TO STANDARDS. ONE WAY WOULD BE TO DO 60-DEGREE PARKING. THAT SATISFIES OUR ACCESS CODE BECAUSE WHEN YOU NARROW, WHEN YOU ANGLE THE PARKING YOU CAN NARROW DOWN YOUR ACCESS AISLES. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE 26 FEET. THIS WOULD MEET OUR CURRENT CODE. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT WE LOSE SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF PARKING SPACES.

IN FACT WE LOSE BY DOING THE HANDICAP IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE ACCESS AISLES AND THE ANGLED PARKING, WE ELIMINATE 25 PARKING SPACES. WE MAKE A VERY NICE-LOOKING PARKING LOT AND AN EASY ACCESS FOR PEOPLE TO USE.

I LOOKED AT IT THE OTHER WAY OF KEEPING THESE CENTER PARKING ANGLE AND THE OUTSIDE PERPENDICULAR PARKING.

WE CAN COME CLOSE TO OUR STANDARDS BECAUSE THE 23 SHOULD BE A 26. BUT WE'VE MADE IMPROVEMENTS AND THESE ARE ALL SHOWING THE IMPROVED ACCESS FOR THE HANDICAPPED PARKING. AND IN THIS CASE WE HAVE THE 93 SPACES. IF WE GO AND LEAVE OUR 90-DEGREE PARKING LIGHT EXISTING, WE CAN RECONFIGURE THE STRIPPING A LITTLE BIT. I COULD GET 22 FEET FOR THE ACCESS BETWEEN THERE. AND I COULD DO THE HANDICAP SPACES AND WE WOULD LOSE TWO PARKING SPACES.

WE WOULD HAVE A TOTAL OF 105. SO I AM KIND OF LOOKING AT DIRECTION OF HOW THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED TO DO THIS. MY VISION, OF COURSE, IS TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, TO REDO THE ASPHALT, TOO DO YOU RAISED ISLANDS AROUND THE LANDSCAPING, A GREAT ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING, LIKE TO DO A -- THE BRICK PAVERS FOR THE CROSS WALK ACROSS THE PARKING LOT, AS YOU NOTICED, WE HAVE THIS AREA AND THIS AREA. THESE ARE PROPOSED TRASH ENCLOSURES. THAT AS YOU KNOW, IT IS PRETTY UNSIGHTLY NOW JUST SITTING THERE.

BUT THESE WOULD BE ENCLOSURES FOR THE FUTURE.

THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE DUMPSTERS AND THE FRONT, WE WOULD HAVE SPACE IN THE BACK FOR GREECE, AND GREECE CONTAINERS, AND THE RESTAURANTS COULD DISPOSE OF THAT.

SO THESE ARE KIND OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURES OF THE FUTURE.

SO WE HAVE AN UPDATE FOR THAT. THIS, WE WOULD HAVE TWO OF THOSE, ONE ON THE SOUTHERN THAT WE COULD FITTED IN, AND ONE ON THE NORTHERN. THIS IS THE VISION FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS THAT DID A CLASS OF 200,000 THOUGHT THOUSAND DOLLARS. THIS DOESN'T INCLUDE LIGHTING.

IF WE UPGRADE THE LIGHTING 40 TO 50,000 MORE.

SO THIS IS WHERE I AM AT AND I AM KIND OF HOPING FOR DIRECTION TO SEE WHERE WE PROCEED WITH THIS PROJECT.

ONE THAT IS MORE SAFE THAN ANOTHER?

>> IS THERE ONE OF YOUR ALTERNATIVES THAT IS MORE SAFE

THAN THE OTHER? >> IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE THE

ANGLED PARKING. >> THE ANGLED PARKING IS SAFE FOR THE 90 DEGREES? THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

THE WAY A PARK. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

[00:25:04]

SO, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. ENGINEERS?

YES SIR. >> YEAH.

WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS PARKING LOT, FOR MANY YEARS. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT, LET'S CALL IT 200 -- AND WE TALK ABOUT PARKING. YOU'RE ON THE PARKING COMMITTEE COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. AND WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING.

THIS IS THE CENTURY OF OUR DOWNTOWN.

SO WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS LOG AT SOME POINT.

SO I DON'T WANT TO SEE MONEY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THIS PARKING LOT NEEDS A LOT OF HELP.

SO I RECOGNIZE THAT PART. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MINIMIZE THE EXPENDITURES BUT IMPROVE THE PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE WE CAN LOSE SOME SPOTS BUT WE CAN BRING IT UP TO SOME CODE PARAMETERS THAT ARE BETTER, IF WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THAT. LIKE A RECOMMENDATION AND I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE EASIER FOR PEOPLE IN GENERAL.

BECAUSE I USE THAT PARKING LOT AND STUFF WITH THE PICK UP TRUCK. TRYING TO GET INTO A PARKING SPACE AND 90 DEGREES. LET'S JUST THE TRUTH.

WHEN YOU KNOW, [INTERPRETER] I DIDN'T PARK AT THE GARAGE -- AND CUTTING.

>> SO, IT IS JUST, WE CAN GET YOU ON.

SO THAT'S WHERE I AM, AND NEEDS TO HAPPEN.

AND I'M JUST TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE EXPENSES OF WORLD.

>> AM I REMEMBERING CORRECTLY THAT THE CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE BROUGHT THIS TO US AND ASKED US TO DO THIS?

>> DIDN'T THEY DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

YES SIR. >> THANK YOU MISS ANDREWS.

I WILL START WITH THE PARKS THAT -- TRASH AND THE GREASE WILL BE A WELCOMED ADDITION I THINK TO OUR ENVIRONMENT DOWN THERE, TO KEEP THAT CONTAIED IN AN AREA THAT NEEDS TO BE AND I GUESS TO GO BACK TO YOUR PICTURE, YOU HAVE THE ANGLE PARKING 90-DEGREE PICTURE -- IN THIS ONE, WE WOULD LOSE SOME SPOTS AND I GUESS, LISTEN I'M SORRY, THE ANGLE. RIGHT.

AND THIS IS, I THINK, WE WOULD LOSE QUITE AS FEW SPOTS WITH THIS BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE SAFER TO NAVIGATE THE PARKING LOTS AND ONE OF THE THINGS, I LOOKED AT YOUR BUDGET AND I WOULD NOTICE NUMBER OF ME TO PUT SOME AESTHETICS HERE.

AND I LIKE AESTHETICS. HOWEVER, I AM KIND OF FOLLOWING, MAYBE I DON'T, I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR COMMISSIONER JOHNSON BUT IF WE WERE TO MAXIMIZE PARKING AND LIMIT THE GREEN SPACE, CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE MAINTENANCE OF, IT I'M LOOKING AT A COST THAT INITIALLY -- AND, COULD WE MAXIMIZE A FEW

[00:30:03]

MORE SPACES WITHOUT THE? I KNOW AESTHETICALLY IT LOOKS NICE, RIGHT. BUT THEN IT IS ALSO THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT, IT IS THE WATERING IN THE TREES THEMSELVES AND WHO IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND GOD FORBID WE GET SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO HAVE A CONTEST WITH THEIR CAR IN ONE OF THESE TREES.

THEN WE HAVE TO, YOU NO DEAL AT THAT AND I GUESS, HELP ME WITH THE LANDSCAPING PART OF THIS PART THAT I SEE HERE IN BOTH MY WOULD DO HAVE TO EXISTING TRANSFORMERS.

ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMERS IN THIS AREA THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN ONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS PARK WOULD DIRECTLY EUGENE SCHMIDT.

>> I DON'T PARK OVER. THEY'RE SO IF WE GO TO WOKE A.

SO THAT IS KIND OF A DECORATIVE WAY, OF RIGHT IN HERE.

THESE ISLANDS ARE EXISTING NOW. AND FOR EXAMPLE, IN THIS AREA THERE IS A BIKE RACK. THERE'S A TRANSFORMER ON THE SIDE. I'M TRYING TO THINK WHAT ELSE IS IN THERE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS IN THIS CENTER WALKWAY THAT PROHIBIT THAT.

>> GOT IT. OKAY.

>> WHAT IF I CAN GO BACK TO, ON THE SAND, ON THE NORTHERN AND, THIS GREEN AREA. THIS IS MOSTLY TO MAINTAIN THE RADIUS THAT THE GARBAGE TRUCKS NEED TO GET AROUND TO MAINTAIN THIS. SO WHEN THE SERVICE THIS, AREA, THE TURNING RADIUS, WE REALLY NEED THAT LANDSCAPE AREA.

DISSIPATE THAT. >> OKAY.

>> YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE, I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE, IT'S THIS ONE HERE, IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST THE TRASH ENCLOSURE WHICH --

>> FROM A HOLISTIC STANDPOINT, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I GET IT NOW. SO, AT FIRST, I DIDN'T HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE CAN MAXIMIZE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS THERE.

THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE ON WHAT WE CURRENTLY ARE -- LET'S KEEPING PLAN A LITTLE BIT.

AND RADIUS BARRIERS. SO I'M CLEAR.

KNOW >> THAT IN THE BITTER OF THE WAR -- AND EXIT ON THAT SIDE? WE'RE NOT ME.

>> THIS IS THE -- >> YEAH.

I KNOW. BUT JUST DOWN A LITTLE WAYS,

WHERE THE LOADING ZONE IS. >> THE LIVING ZONE? THAT GOES INTO THE PRIVATE PARKING UP IN HERE.

THERE IS LIKE FIVE SPACES UP IN THEIR.

>> OKAY. GOT IT.

ABOUT IT. NOW I REMEMBER.

YEAH. >> OKAY.

GOT IT. WE >> ALREADY.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. EXCUSE ME.

>> I'M, MY FIRST COMMENT IS THAT HIS IS PROBABLY THE PIECE OF REAL ESTATE LEFT IN THE WORLD DENOTED AS JCPENNEY ANYTHING. I THINK JCPENNEY HAS BEEN OUT OF CIRCULATION FOR A WHILE. AND I DID NOTICE THAT IT IS ON THE PARKING COMMITTEES LIST OF THINGS TO DO TOMORROW TO TALK ABOUT RENAMING THE LOT. BUT JACK, COULD YOU GO BACK TO YOUR ESTIMATE? YOUR BREAKDOWN ON COST, PLEASE.

>> A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU ARE GOING SPOT MILLING, SO WE ARE NOT DOING A NICE FALL OVERLAY SO WE ARE KEEPING THE ASPHALT THAT IS EXISTING. AND YOU HAVE WALKED, I AM GUESS THAT IT IS UNFAIR TO POOR CONDITION.

THAT'S A FAIR ASSESSMENT? IF WE WERE TO ADD AN OVERLAY IN, IT WILL INCREASE THE COST EXPONENTIALLY.

>> WELL, THERE IS AN OVERLAY IN THIS.

WHAT WE DO IS WE WILL KNOW -- APPROXIMATELY ONE AND A QUARTER

INCHES AND OVERLAY AT. >> CAN YOU JUST SHOW ME IN YOUR

ESTIMATE WHAT YOUR OVERLY COST? IS >> IT WOULD BE THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. I --

QUARTER >> OKAY. MY APOLOGIES.

I DID NOT PICK UP ON THAT RIGHT AWAY.

SO WE WILL OVERLY THE LAW. 233,000 IS THE INTERNAL ESTIMATE, I AM ASSUMING? THAT YOU FOLKS GENERATED? BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE DON'T FOR $54,000 BUT THAT IS A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. HAVING SAID THAT, I DO HAVE CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THE LONG TERM PLAN.

WE WILL SPEND A QUARTER OF 1 MILLION DOLLARS, I GUESS WE ARE TRYING TO MITIGATE THE PROBLEM SHORT TERM VERSUS COMING UP WITH THE LONG TERM SOLUTION THAT SENATOR GUTIERREZ WAS

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REFERRING TO, THE MASTER PLAN. AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY TEAM HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE AWHILE.

I HAVE SEEN A COUPLE OF PRESENTATIONS ON IT, SOME IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. SO THE QUESTION REALLY COMES DOWN TO, IN MY MIND, TO DO WE SPEND A QUARTER OF 1 MILLION DOLLARS NOW TO FIX OUR SHORT TERM PROBLEM, OR DO WE STRIVE TO MOVE FORWARD AS RAPIDLY AS WE CAN, AND RAPIDLY IS CHALLENGING. BECAUSE BUILDING A PARKING GARAGE IS COSTLY, TIME CONSUMING.

AND PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY FOR A FIVE-YEAR PROJECT. SO, WE ARE BETTER OFF SPENDING THE MONEY NOW, KEEPING THE MONEY FOR FUTURE DEPLOYMENT ON A LARGE CAPACITY LOT OF? I AM TROUBLED BY THE FACT THAT IF WE BRING THIS THING UP TO US CLOSE TO CURRENT CODE AS WE CAN WE ARE LOSING APPROXIMATELY 25% OF OUR PARKING CAPACITY IN THAT LOT, RIGHT JACK? WHICH IS PROBLEMATIC AS WELL.

THAT LOG IS WHAT 100 PERCENT OCCUPIED ALL THE TIME.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JAY JOHNSON'S COMMENTS ABOUT TRUCK ACCESS TO THAT LOT THAT IS CHALLENGING, AND THAT IS PUTTING IT AT A MINIMUM. SO THAT IS MY CONCERN, IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR THE UPGRADE.

I CERTAINLY DO. THE LOG IS TIRED, IT NEEDS REFRESHMENT. A NET LOSS OF 25 SPACES, I BELIEVE IT IS OUR LEGATION TO BRING IT AS CLOSE TO CURRENT QUOTAS POSSIBLE. I WOULDN'T WANT TO GET INTO A WHOLE LEGAL DISCUSSION OF THAT BUT I BELIEVE THERE IS AN OBLIGATION TO DO THAT. HAVING SAID THAT, SPENDING A QUARTER OF 1 MILLION DOLLARS NOW VERSUS DEPLOYING THOSE FUNDS FOR A FUTURE LARGER SCALE, POTENTIALLY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SCENARIO. BUT THAT IS FIVE YEARS OUT.

SO I AM REALLY TORN AS TO $250,000 NOT TO FIX THE SHORT-TERM ISSUE AND MOVING THAT -- MARGARET TRUMP SOLUTION OR LEAVING A LOT THE WAY IT IS AND HAS BEEN FOREVER. TORN WITH THIS.

>> YEAH. AND WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT DECISION, YOU KNOW, THAT HARD AND FAST DECISION.

SORRY. >> OKAY.

I UNDERSTAND YOU, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

BUT WE KNOW IT IS OUT THERE. WE KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE UP TO CODE. I MEAN, WE JUST KNOW THAT, I AM GLAD YOU JUST MENTIONED IT BECAUSE I WAS SICK IN MY HEAD OVER HERE, NO ONE MENTIONED THE LOSS OF THESE PARKING SPACES.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS PARKING, PARKING, PARKING.

AND YOU PRESENT SOMETHING TO ME THAT WAS LOSING PARKING.

I CAN LET YOU KNOW NOW, I UNDERSTAND THE MONEY BUT A LOSS OF 25 PARKING SPACES, AT THAT LOCATION, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GO FOR THAT. SO MR. ANDREWS, IF YOU GO BACK TO YOUR, I GUESS SCENARIO TO. THIS IS WHERE I TRY TO GIVE YOU SOME OF YOUR 90-DEGREE, YOUR MIXED ANGLE -- RIGHT. AND, WE ARE LOSING, WHAT, 12? I COULD SLEEP WITH THAT WAS NOT THAT MANY NIGHTMARES.

THIS WOULD BRING US UP TO CODE, SO TO SPEAK.

>> WE ARE STILL A LITTLE SHY ON THE ACCESS --

>> I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE PLANS BRING US UP TO CODE.

IS THAT CORRECT, JACK? >> WELL, THE ANGLE WOULD.

>> YOU ARE LOSING THE MOST PARKING.

OF COURSE. OF COURSE.

>> I WILL START RIGHT THERE. JAY >> JOHNSON.

>> SO, I HAVE STARTED THINKING AHEAD 15 YEARS.

HERE IS WHERE I AM OUT. I WILL SHARE THIS WITH YOU.

I'M ACTUALLY THINKING 19 YEARS. BECAUSE THE FPRA IS 2042.

IS THAT ACCURATE? ACCURATE.

2042. SO, I'M THINKING, 19 YEARS AHEAD FROM TODAY. I'M THINKING ABOUT A FEW THINGS. I'M THINKING ABOUT LONG TERM PARKING. I'M THINKING ABOUT PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE. I'M THINKING ABOUT A STRUCTURE ON THIS PIECE OF LAND. WE WILL LOSE 105 SPACES SOON AS WE BREAK GROUND. WE WILL LOSE 100 VIBES SPACES AS SOON AS WE START BUILDING A GARAGE.

IT WILL BE A CONSTRUCTION SITE. SO, WHEN I START THINKING ABOUT STAFF SITTING IN THE BACK WHEN THEY CAME FORWARD AND THE PRESENT OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, WHEN DO WE SAY, GO ON THE

DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN? >> AND SO, WHEN WE SAY GO, I

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STARTED LOOKING AT MICHAEL GOULD EARTH MAP HERE, AND COMMISSIONER GAINS -- OPEN UP MY MAP AND I START ZOOMING. AND SO I STARTED LOOKING HOLISTICALLY YACHT MARINA SQUARE.

I STARTED LOOKING AT THIS OTHER NAME PARKING LOT.

>> YEAH. >> I'M TRYING TO CHANGE THE NAME. TO BE NAMED, THE OTHER NAME PARKING LOT. SO, WHERE DO WE START? AND SO, DO WE START HERE? OR DO WE NOT START HERE? BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THE OVERALL SPOKE OF THE MASTER PLAN, MELODY LANE AND MARINA SQUARE CHANGES.

IF WE WERE TO IMPLEMENT THAT. SO, WE KNOW WE NEED PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT LONG TERM PLAN. WE HAVE 19 YEARS AS AN FPRA, TO MAKE DECISIONS WITH THAT FINANCIAL ARM OF THIS ENTITY, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. SO WHAT, DO WE START HERE AND SPEND 200, 250, 275,000 AND CONTINUE BUSINESS AS USUAL? OR DO WE IMPLEMENT AND HIT THE BUTTON THAT SAYS GO ON THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN FOR THE NEXT 19 YEARS? I AM LEANING THAT WAY. THAT IS, I AM A LONG TERM PLAYER. THAT IS WHERE I LEAN.

SO, BECAUSE IF NOT NOW, THAN WHEN?

>> PRECISELY. AND YOU ARE A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS WITHOUT EVEN BATTING AN EYELASH EITHER COULD BE DEPLOYED IN PLANNING OR SOME OTHER CAPACITY SWAB.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT TURNS IMMEDIATELY INTO FINANCIAL CONVERSATIONS, BONDING CONVERSATIONS.

A LOT OF THINGS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PARKING STRUCTURE. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET ON SUCH A THING IS, AT THIS POINT.

YEAH. I KNOW.

JACK, YOU ARE LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS, CAN I RETIRE FIRST? THAT'S WHERE I AM. THAT IS WHERE I WENT, REALLY

QUICKLY. >> OKAY.

MADAM CHAIR. I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT-PROVOKING CONVERSATION. I THINK, FROM A BUSINESS WORLD, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, HOW DO WE GO FAST ON A PROJECT OF THAT NATURE? AND PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNISM IS FASTER ON THINGS OF THAT DEAL.

AND FINANCIAL STRUCTURES THAT WOULD PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE JURISDICTION ON, BOTH FPRA AS WELL AS A CITY -- HATS. AND SO, I THINK THAT LISTENING TO A TEMPORARY SITUATION THAT ALARMS ME, BECAUSE WE COULD FIND OURSELVES IN THE SITUATION BASED ON OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS OF THIS PARTICULAR COURT PARKING AREA.

WELL I THINK WE HAVE TO, I AM LEANING TOWARDS BOTH.

JUST SOME SMALL THINGS. MAYBE IT IS NOT $230,000 WORTH, MAYBE IT IS SOME SMALL THINGS THAT WE COULD DO TO TWEAK IT.

BUT I TOO WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT HOW WE GO FAST, AT THAT DEVELOPMENT PHASE OF KNOWING THAT, IF IT IS A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WILL ALLOW FOR US TO GO VERTICAL.

ALSO, PROVID ADDITIONAL SPACES AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE KNOW THAT WILL SERVE THE FUTURE OF DOWNTOWN, WITH RESIDENTS LIVING DOWN THERE, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A HOTEL COMING, PEOPLE WILL BE LIVING DOWN THERE. OVERNIGHT, THROUGHOUT THE WEEKEND, WEEKS AT A TIME, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THERE WOULD BE REQUIRED AND IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THOSE PARTNERSHIPS, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF COMPANIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO BE IN THOSE ENVIRONMENTS, WITH WHATEVER BUSINESSES THEY HAVE. SO I THINK OUR OPPORTUNITY, IF TO SAY THAT FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, TO SAY THAT OUR OPPORTUNITY, IF WE LOOK AT THIS MAYBE THERE ARE.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS TODAY BUT I JUST AM -- AND FOR ME, IT IS SOONER THAN 19 YEARS.

IT IS MORE ON THE LINE OF FIVE, TO SIX YEARS.

AT THE MAX. BECAUSE I THINK ONCE YOU PUT THOSE VISIONS AND CONCEPTS OUT THERE, OF WANTING TO STRUCTURE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS AND WE FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT SUCCESSFULLY, WITH OUR FTC, WE WILL GET WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS ALLEVIATING PARKING, GETTING IT DONE FASTER.

AND THEN BEING PREPARED FOR WHAT ELSE IS GOING TO HAPPEN AROUND THAT SPACE WITH THE MASTER PLAN OF DOWNTOWN.

SO. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES SIR. >> MADAM SHERIFF.

ONE THING YOU MAY WANT TO ADD INTO THIS MIX, BECAUSE A TOTALLY REAL WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT, IS THAT AS CHAIRMAN

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OF THE PARKING COMMITTEE, PROBABLY A YEAR OR TWO AGO I PRESENTED TO THIS BODY THE CONCEPT THAT HAD BEEN DEVELOPED BY THE PARKING COMMITTEE TO TURN THE GREEN AREA DOWNTOWN THAT IS USED FOR THE SATURDAY MORNING EVENTS AND SUCH, INTO SERVICE, MULTI USE AREAS. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE, AND COMMISSIONER JAY JOHNSON -- TO BUILD A GARAGE, THIS PARKING LOT, WE WILL LOSE 105 SPACES FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, REALISTICALLY. THAT IS FOR CONSTRUCTION TIME.

I BELIEVE, JACK, AT THAT TIME YOU HAD DONE AT LEAST A DRAFT CONCEPT. DO YOU BELIEVE -- DO YOU RECALL WITHOUT -- THE THEORY WAS THAT IT WILL BE CONVERTED FOR SATURDAY MORNING USE, CONVERTED FOR ALL OTHER TYPES OF USES THAT WOULD NEED THAT AREA, AND THAT REOPENED AS PARKING? -- ET CETERA, ET CETERA. DO YOU HAVE BEEN RECALLED, JACK,

WHAT THAT WAS? >> 63 -- I AGREE. IT WAS IN THE 60S.

SO, WE DO HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF PICKING UP FOR A COMPARATIVELY SMALLER EXPENSE. 63 SPACES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THIS, IF THE LONG TERM CONCEPT WAS TO GO -- BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOSE 105, IT WILL HAVE EFFECT OF DOWNTOWN.

WE HAVE THE GREEN SPACE AVAILABLE, THE PLAN WAS TO -- I GUESS, A MULTIFUNCTIONAL ROOM TYPE SPACE.

IT SEEMED TO MAKE A LOT OF SENSE.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, IF WE TOOK IT THE LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE TO SAY, NO, LET'S MOVE AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN TO GO VERTICAL. WE NEED TO REPLACE THAT PARKING SHORT TERM. WE DO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE.

>> I THINK, SO, WE DO HAVE ANOTHER SPACE DOWN THE WALKWAY THAT WE HAVE CONVERTED. I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO PARKS AT THE COURTHOUSE AT NIGHT WHEN THEY WERE CLOSED, AFTER COURT IS CLOSED. IS THAT STILL AVAILABLE?

>> I HAVE NO IDEA. I HAVE NEVER PARKED THERE.

>> A CARD FROM THE COURTHOUSE. COURTHOUSE PARKING LOT.

AT NIGHT. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ST.

ANDREW'S? I'M >> TALKING ABOUT THE COURTHOUSE. IN THE GARAGE.

IN THE SHERIFF'S, IN THE JURORS.

DOES ANYONE PARK THERE AFTER HOURS?

THE >> GARAGE? >> HE IS TALKING ABOUT A GARAGE. --

>> 100 8789 SPACES. >> -- THOSE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY INCLUDED IN THAT.

>> OKAY. OKAY.

>> BUT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT IT IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED. SO, FOLKS ARE GOING TO TURN TO OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS GOING TO

HAPPEN. >> RIGHT.

THAT IS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. IF THAT PLANE CAME, THEN THAT WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE GARAGE WOULD BE -- SPACED DOWN HERE THAT PEOPLE CAN PARK IN TO COME TO

DOWNTOWN. >> THE OTHER PART OF IT, WE HAVE -- A LEASE ON THAT PROPERTY.

WE HAVE TURNED THEM INTO SERVICE LEVEL PARKING.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT

>> WE HAVE A RELEASE, A COUPLE OF LEASES -- RIVER DRIVE. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THAT, THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE MANATEE CENTER. SO IF THOSE THINGS START TO

INITIATE, THE -- >> 30 DAYS NOTICE.

>> I REMEMBER YOU SAYING IT OUT LOUD.

>> I CAN'T. 30.

>> I AM NOT TRYING TO COMPLICATE ANYTHING.

BUT I WANT YOU TO -- >> PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT AHEAD OF YOU. ALL RIGHT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS, YOU THROW THE WORD TEMPORARY AROUND. I REMEMBER ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO WE DID A TEMPORARY PARKING LOT AT SOUTH CAUSEWAY PARK.

AND NOTHING CHANGED. TEMPORARY AROUND HERE MEANS ANYWHERE FROM 10 TO 25 OR 50 YEARS.

AND I WANT YOU ALL SO TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF A PARKING LOT IS RESURFACED AND RE-STRIPED, IT GOES TO THE CITY ENGINEER FOR REVIEW. AND THAT PARKING LOT HAS TO MEET CODE. SO, ARI DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS A WAY THAT WE CAN TWEAK THIS AND NOT BRING IT TO CODE.

SO WE USE EITHER BEAUTIFY THE ARYAN BRING IT TO CODE AND HAVE LANDSCAPING IN PARKING IN THE SAFETY IN THE ACCESS THAT WE

NEED, OR WE DON'T. >> AND WE MAKE OTHER PEOPLE DO

THAT? >> YES MA'AM.

I'M >> NOT TRYING TO COMPLICATE THINGS, BUT --

>> RIGHT. RIGHT.

>> SO, YOU AND I HAD AN IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS -- WE TALK ABOUT FRESHENING UP -- -- HOW YOU REVIEW.

BUT THE ANY CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH -- NECESSARY MANAGER IN AS CITY MANAGER, ALL OF THE ABOVE, WE TALKED ABOUT FRESHENING IT UP. IF YOU WERE TO ALLOCATE A

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PARKING LOT LIKE THAT WAS IN PLACE TODAY, AT NOTING PARKING LOTS, WHAT WE BE BUILT TO RESTRAIN OR RECONFIGURE THE PARKING LOT AND STILL NEED THE CITY ENGINEERING --

OF REVIEW? WE >> YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO

ANSWER AT THE SECOND. >> YEAH.

I AM JUST THINKING HOW YOU WOULD PHYSICALLY PERFORM THE WORK. YOU HAVE IT STRIPED ONE WAY.

AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO EITHER SEAL COAT IT OR DO SOMETHING TO GET RID OF THIS DRY TOPS. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING

BACK TO THE ANKLE? >> AND TALKING ABOUT GOING TO AN ANGLED PARKING SCENARIO WITH THE NEW STRIPPING SCENARIO, AND IN A ONE-WAY PATTERN AROUND THE PARKING AREA.

WE >> CAN DO THAT. WE CAN SATISFY ORDINANCES IF WE

DO THAT. >> RIGHT.

IF >> THE OTHER THINGS ON HERE ARE, IF YOU WILL -- RECONFIGURE WITH LANDSCAPE PAVERS, CURVING, OTHER MARKINGS,

AND WHAT NOT. >> THE CURBING IS PART OF OUR -- ALSO.

IT >> IS, OKAY. --

>> WHAT ABOUT THE ENCLOSURES AND ALL THAT? SO, YOU ARE TRYING TO FRESHENED UP WITHOUT GETTING TO THAT

MAGIC -- >> I DON'T WANT TO SEE MONEY GO

TO -- >> RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO.

>> I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL TRYING TO GET TO.

>> YEAH. >> MADAM CHAIR.

>> YES SIR. >> IF WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO PUT A STRUCTURE HERE THAT IS WHAT IT CALLS FOR, AND IF WE KNOW THAT AS COMMISSIONER BRODERICK SAID, IF WE START IT WE USE THEM 105, -- WORK WITH US BECAUSE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WE WILL HAVE THE PARKING THAT YOU NEED.

SOONER OR LATER, ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, WE WILL HAVE TO PUSH THIS BUTTON ONE. WE WILL HAVE TO PUSH THIS BUTTON OR WHEN TO STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN. EITHER STOP TALKING ABOUT IT OR SOMEBODY SAYS, LET'S DO IT. AND WE ALL ARE GOING TO GET THE EMAILS. WHY ARE WE DOING IT NOW? BUT, WE CAN SEE THAT AT THE END OF THE TERM, WE KNOW WE NEED PARKING. SO IF WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING AND SPEND THIS MONEY, THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, LET'S PUT THE MONEY WHERE WE KNOW WE REALLY NEED IT.

AND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO, IF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, THE JCPENNEY, THE NO PARKING LOT, WHATEVER, IF THAT IS GOING TO BE OUR FIRST PART OF OUR DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN, LET'S GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

LET'S JUST GO AHEAD AND DO THAT.

BECAUSE WE KNOW AS SOON AS WE START, WE KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A FINISH. AT SOME POINT.

IF YOU GET TO THAT FINISH LINE IN SOME POINT, BUT IF YOU NEVER START THE RACE YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO GET TO THE FINISH LINE. WE ARE ALL GOING TO START LOOKING FOR THE KIND OF FIRE THE GUN AND THE FIRST RUN, BUT WE ARE JUST LOOKING. SO LET'S JUST, IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT LET'S DO IT. AND THEN TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW, TWO AND A HALF YEARS FROM NOW, NOW WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PARKING. WHAT AS MUCH AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- SOME MORE SPACES.

AND THEN WE CAN GO FROM THERE. BECAUSE TO ME, PUTTING $300,000 IS, $300,000 BECAUSE YOU NEED -- KNOW, THERE IS NO NEED OF PUTTING IT OUT THERE WITHOUT -- PEOPLE WALK ALL THE TIME, THEY COME HAVE A GOOD TIME DOWNTOWN.

WE NEED THE LIGHTING. SO JUST ADD THAT IN THERE.

THERE IS NO NEED TO SPEND THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY KNOWING THAT I'M LOSING 25 SPACES OF A DOWNTOWN THAT WE ARE CRYING FOR SPACES IN NO. IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND GAVE US A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN USE THAT FOR 12 PARKING SPACES, WE ARE GOING TO JUMBLE OVER.

WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE 12 PARKING SPACES.

WE'RE GOING TO JUMP ALL OVER. SO I CAN'T, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME SITTING HERE SPENDING THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THEN TELLING THE RESIDENTS OH, YEAH, WE SPENT ENOUGH MONEY, THE MASTER PLAN IS COMING. OH, BY THE WAY, WE TOOK 25

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SPACES. IN ONE OF THE CENTRAL SPOTS IN DOWNTOWN. SO, I DON'T, DRAW ME THE BUTTON. I WILL PUSH IT.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, SHOW ME WHERE TO START.

TO PUSH THE BUTTON. HOLD ON.

>> WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN. THAT IS NOT WONDERFUL.

WE DO MASTER PLANS ALL THE TIME.

AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> THEY ARE ALL MIXED UP IN MY HEAD, TO.

>> IT'S A CONCEPT IN AN AMBITION.

WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.

NONE WHATSOEVER. FROM THE TIME OF THE CONCEPT OF THE PLAN, OF THE TIME, EVEN ON THE EXPEDITED CASE SCALE, TIME TO CONSTRUCTION TO COMPLETION, YOU ARE PROBABLY LOOKING ATTENTIVE GENIUS. LOOK, MAYBE YOU CAN MOTIVATE -- GET IT DONE QUICKER, BUT I AM JUST SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE BUT A PLAN. SO TO SAY, OH, WE JUST ARE GOING TO FORGET ABOUT IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE WILL POP INTO PLACE, IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

WELL -- THAT'S NOT WHAT I WAS SAYING.

I WILL HAVE TO AGREE WITH MR. MAYOR.

SO THIS MASTER PLAN IS JUST A MASTER PLAN THAT IS OUT THERE.

ARE WE GOING TO ACT ON IT? SO IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT A PARKING STRUCTURE THERE, OR THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE MAIN LOCATION OF A PARKING STRUCTURE THEN -- I HAVE TO SIT BACK AND SAY OKAY, IF THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE WHY WE HAVE A DISCUSSION, WHY DO WE SPEND MONEY? WE KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE DOWN THE ROAD.

NOW IT IS NOT ADDING UP TO ME. SO IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO USE THAT SPOT AS A FUTURE PARKING STRUCTURE, WHATEVER, I'M STILL HAVING A PROBLEM GIVING UP 25 PARKING SPACES.

25 PARKING SPACES TO A LOCATION DOWNTOWN THAT EVERYONE GOES TO FIRST. TO LOOK FOR PARKING.

EVERYONE DRIVES, TURNS DOWN ONE OF THOSE ONE-WAY, DRIVE THIS WAY, DRIVE THAT WAY, AND IF THEY DON'T FIND ANYTHING THAN THEY GO AND START LOOKING IN THE GARAGE.

THEY GO THERE FIRST. SO THAT IS JUST NOT HOW IT IS.

THEN THEY START LOOKING ON THE STREETS OR WHATEVER.

SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LOSING THE 25 SPACES.

IN AN AREA WHERE IT IS MUCH NEEDED.

SO THAT IS WHERE I STAND, MADAM CHAIR.

>> I CAN TALK ABOUT PARKING ALL NIGHT LONG.

>> AND DO YOU DO. >> I THINK THAT WE NEED -- I BELIEVE IT IS A TWO-STEP PROCESS.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GENERATE PARKING AS THE CITY MANAGER IS SAYING TEMPORARY WAS FOR DECADES, BUT WE HAVE THE SPACE DONE, WE HAVE THE AREA THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR 60 SOMEWHAT SPACES. WE PUT THE MONEY AND FOR THAT, I FORGET WHAT THE BUDGET WAS. JACKIE WOODWORK SOMETHING UP ABOUT THIS. AND THEN, GOING VERTICAL ON THIS LOT WOULD BE THE BEST SOLUTION LONG TERM.

AND PICK UP THE DESIGN THAT WE COULD GET ON IT.

BUT TO THAT POINT, WHERE DO WE START WITH THAT? ALL WE HAVE IS A SQUARE BLOCK OF LAND OUT THERE IN WHIH TO WORK WITH. FORTUNATELY WHAT WE HAVE.

IT IS TWO STEPS THAT WE NEED TO MITIGATE THE LOSS SHORT TERM AND THEN PLAN LONG TERM TO GO VERTICAL.

IF COMMISSIONER GAINS ARE SUGGESTING TO LEAVE THE LOT AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS, WITH THE FORMULATION IF I HAVE A PIECE OF REAL ESTATE, I WILL PUT IN A NONCOMPLIANT LOT BECAUSE YOU DID. I WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM DEFENDING THAT. SO SIMPLY PUT, BY NOT PUT TOUCHING IT, WE ARE NOT FORCED TO BRING ANYTHING INTO COMPLIANCE. WE PICK UP EXTRA SPACE, PLANNING OVER OUR GOAL, WE INITIATE GETTING PROPOSALS FOR

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DESIGN AND ALL OF THAT MOVING FORWARD.

IT IS EXPENSIVE, I GET IT. BUT HERE WE HAVE A POTENTIAL OF FUNDS TO AT LEAST GET THROUGH THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THIS TO COME OUT THE OTHER SIDE AND SAY HERE'S WHY THE COST FACTOR IS REALLY GOING TO BE. WE ARE ALL JUST SITTING HERE SPECULATING IS AT 20, 000, 30,000 PER SPOT? I'M THINKING 30,000. SO THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION. BUT I DO AGREE WITH THE CITY MANAGER IN THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY WE COULD PROBABLY DO IT IN FIVE YEARS, MAYBE AND THE PUBLIC DOMAIN IT IS GOING TO TAKE A BIT LONGER THAN THAT. HOWEVER, TO INITIATE THE MASTER PLAN BY SPENDING $300,000 NOW AND I SAID WE WILL TEAR ALL OF THAT OUT, THAT IS JUST REALLY GREAT.

IT HAS BEEN 300,000. >> I WILL SAY THIS THEN I WILL BE QUIET SO WE CAN MOVE ON. THE REASON I AM TORN IS BECAUSE AS THE CITY MANAGER IS AWARE, WE THERE'S A COUPLE HEADS.

AND WE KNOW THAT THE PARKING LOT THERE, IT IS NOT UP TO CODE.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOSE 25 PARKING SPACES.

I'M HAVING A BAD DAY OVER HERE TODAY BECAUSE IT IS JUST, WE KNOW THAT IT IS NOT TO CODE. WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. BUT I WOULD HAVE A WORST DAY IF I LOSE IT, AND WE SPEND THIS MONEY.

AND FOR YEARS TO FIVE YEARS YOU COME BACK AND TELL ME THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO TEAR ALL OF THIS UP.

DICK IT ALL UP AND BUILD SOMETHING ELSE.

BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT IS NOT UP TO CODE. IT HAS BEEN STATED TODAY.

I SEE IT EVERY TIME THAT I GO DOWN THERE, AND THERE ARE SOME BAD TIMES. I'M ACTUALLY TORN BECAUSE I DO NOT KNOW IF WE NEED IT, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY, I

DON'T WANT TO LOSE TO SPACES. >> CAN I JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING? IF WE DO NOT MESS WITH IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO CODE, CORRECT? YOU DO NOT START WITH IT.

>> TO ANSWER THAT -- >> MADAM CHAIR, THAT IS CORRECT.

BUT WHEN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BROUGHT THIS TO YOUR COMMITTEE, THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE FINDINGS OF THE MASTER PLAN.

THEY BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE THE LOT, THE PLAN IS ANTIQUATED, IT DOESN'T HAVE A CODE, DEEP TRAFFIC CONFIGURATION IS POORLY CURRENTLY DESIGNED.

WE HAVE ROOM OUT OF IT. IT LOOKS HORRIBLE.

WE GOT OPEN DUMPSTERS AND GREECE AND TRAPS.

IT IS A DISGUSTING AREA, LET'S BE REAL.

THE CRA IS DESIGNED TO ELIMINATE LIKE, AND SPUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BY INVESTING IN THIS AREA AS YOU ALL TOLD US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN, BY INVESTING IN THIS AREA YOU ARE BRINGING ABOUT A POSITIVE AESTHETIC CHANGE TO THE AREA. NOW $300,000 THAT IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S NOT.

I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE A LOT OF MONEY BUT IT IS NOT.

>> WE COULDN'T EVEN START A GARAGE.

>> I MEAN, WE ARE LOOKING AT 25, $30 MILLION.

AND TRUTHFULLY, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF A GARAGE IS GOING TO BE NEEDED. I REALLY THINK THAT WE WERE GIVEN A TASK AND YOU ALL WERE HEAD OVER HEELS IN LOVE WITH

THAT IDEA. >> BUT WE DID NOT KNOW THAT JACK WAS GOING TO TAKE AWAY OUR SPACES.

>> BUT WE HAVE -- YOU KNOW --

>> IT IS REALITY. THAT IS RIGHT.

>> OKAY, BUT I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

WE ARE OVERTIME, WE BELIEVE WE WILL NEED MORE PARKING STRUCTURES. WE HAVE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT FOREVER. AND WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THAT BEING A LOGICAL PLACE BECAUSE WE OWN IT, BECAUSE IT IS CENTRAL. IT -- I'M A LITTLE BIT LEERY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT IS CENTRAL.

IT WOULD BE NICE FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

HAVING SAID THAT, THE PARTING COULD BE MORE REMOTE.

WHEN WE GO TO OTHER PLACES, THE PARKING IS MORE REMOTE.

YOU GO TO SOME PLACE, IT'S ON THE EDGES.

IT IS NOT RIGHT IN THE HEART OF IT.

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>> AND ALSO, WE WILL TELL YOU THIS BECAUSE I SAID THIS TO HIM TIME AND TIME AGAIN. WE DO NOT HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM IN DOWNTOWN FORT PEERS. WE HAVE A CONVENIENCE OF PARKING PROBLEMS. MY OTHER THOUGHT IS IF WE INVEST IN THE PARKING LOT, LET'S INVEST INTO IT, WE KNOW THAT IT IS SICKLY AND STRUGGLING. TO REALLY DIG IN AND GET ENOUGH INFORMATION AND IT IS NOT THE MAGIC NUMBER.

THERE IS 50 RIGHT THERE. YOU MAY SAY IT DIFFERENTLY, I AM OKAY WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD COATED AND THEN STRIPE IT, DO SOME CURBING AND BUILD SOME TRASH CONTAINERS AND -- WHO WANTS A GARAGE? I THINK I HEARD YOU ALLUDE TO IT A FEW MOMENTS AGO.

I AM NOT 1000% SOLD BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN MIND AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I BROUGHT IT UP A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, THERE'S AN INVENTORY OF 1900 SPACES AND I WILL NOT GET INTO THAT DATA BUT THERE IS AN INVENTORY THERE AND SO -- MY OTHER THOUGHT IS, WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THE HELP US FIGURE OUT A STRUCTURE, WHETHER IT IS ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, OR IT IS LOCATED ELSEWHERE? I'M OKAY WITH THAT CONVERSATION.

I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TO SPUR THE THOUGHTS OF, AS AN FDR BOARD MEMBER SITTING HERE, THE NEXT 19 YEARS OF DECISION-MAKING. FOR NOT ONLY THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN BUT THE FPRA IN GENERAL.

SO THAT IS WHERE I AM. THAT PARCEL COULD BE A PRIVATE PARTNER, A PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP JUST LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. IT COULD BE A FASTER PROCESS.

OR IS THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WORTH SO MUCH MONEY FOR THE DIRT ALONE THAT A PARKING GARAGE COULD GO ELSEWHERE? THAT BECOMES A VALUABLE PIECE OF REAL ESTATE.

KNOWING THAT THERE IS A VIEW ACROSS THE -- CENTRAL GREEN SPACE OF DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE INTO THE EASTERN

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WATERWAYS OF THE COASTAL. I THINK THAT THAT IS WHERE YOU PROBABLY ARE HEADED TO. SO LET'S ANTICIPATE THAT AND LET'S LOOK AT IT. I AM OKAY WITH SPENDING SOME MONEY TO FRESHEN IT UP BECAUSE WE NEED TO DO IT.

LET'S MAKE IT MORE ATTRACTIVE. 275,000 IS A BIG ONE.

YOU'VE HEARD IT. THAT'S WHERE I AM.

I THINK WE SHOULD SLIM IT DOWN. >> I ALSO THINK THAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE THE POSSIBILITY OF A BRIGHT STATION AND WHERE THERE IS A BRIGHT STATION, THERE IS PARKING.

AND THERE IS AT LEAST IN WEST PALM BEACH A PARKING STRUCTURE RIGHT NEXT TO THE STATION.

ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER FROM SAYING THAT MY PARKING LOT, OR MY PIECE OF PROPERTY IS IN COMPLIANCE FROM WHATEVER.

AND YOU GUYS ARE NOT DOING IT, I GOTTA DO IT.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND, I AM TORN ON MY DUTY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT IS NOT, IT MIGHT BE IN 1981 BUT IF YOU USE OR NUMBER OF 1981 COMPLIANCE BUT NOT 2023. AND I AM FEELING THAT AS A BOARD MEMBER FLASH CITY COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A DUTY TO BRING OUR PROPERTY UP TO COMPLIANCE.

IF I AM WRONG ON THAT, THEN THAT IS FINE.

I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY SHOW ME THAT.

BUT I WAS A BOARD MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, THAT IS WHAT I AM DEALING WITH RIGHT NOW. IF WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO CUT DOWN TO GET THE NUMBER DOWN. LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION, SINCE LIKE YOU SAID WE CANNOT TALK OUTSIDE OF THIS.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU SAID THAT THEY CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THE NUMBERS. WOULD THAT BRING IT UP, IF THE NUMBERS COULD BE CUT DOWN, WOULDN'T BRING IT UP TO CODE? IS THAT WHEN YOU THINK IT WOULD DO? SO YOU'RE ENGINEER HEAD IS GONE AND YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE NUMBERS, WE DID BRING IT UP TO CODE? AND IF IT WOULD BRING IT UP TO CODE, THEN OTHER THAN THAT, WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHY ARE WE JUST NOT BRINGING IT UP TO CODE? NOW, IS IT A MONEY THING? BECAUSE NOW, THE WHOLE DISCUSSION OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BEING A PARKING STRUCTURE, THAT IS OUT THE DOOR, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT IS ENOUGH VOTES UP HERE TO MAKE THAT. TO MAKE IT HAPPEN TONIGHT.

SO THAT IS WHERE I AM GOING. SO IF YOU CUT THE NUMBERS DOWN, WE ARE DOING SOMETHING TO BRING IT UP TO CODE.

OR ARE WE DOING SOMETHING JUST TO MAKE IT LOOK BETTER? OR IS THAT THE SAME THING IN YOUR ENGINEER MIND?

>> I THINK MY OPINION WOULD BE SIMILAR TO JACK AND NICK BUT I KNOW THAT JACK IS PROBABLY TRIMMING THESE NUMBERS AS MUCH AS HE CAN. AND HE HAS WORKED ON IT HARD.

BUT WHEN YOU ASK FOR MY OPINION, IF YOU GET INTO THE STRUCTURAL COURSE OF THE OVERLAY, THAT LINE FOR NUMBER SIX, THAT IS FOR A LONG TERM, LONGER TERM SOLUTION TO THE LONGEVITY OF THE PARKING LOT. THAT IS HELPING THE ASPHALT

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WHICH WE KNOW SITS ON THE SUNSHINE EVERY SINGLE DAY.

IT GETS ERODED AWAY BY SOME, RAIN, EVERY DAY.

SO CAN YOU DO OTHER THINGS TO REMEDY AND TO, SOME FOLKS SAY IT IS A BAND-AID, YOU KNOW YOU ARE DOING A COURSE AND YOU WILL RE-STRIPE IT. THE CODE REQUIRES CERTAIN PARAMETERS LIKE CURBING, STRIPPING, TRAVELING WIDTHS.

WHICH IS WHAT WE STARTED THIS CONVERSATION WITH.

INCLUDING LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING.

SO YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT, DO WE HAVE CODE?ARAMETERS IN PLACE FOR THE- EARLIER YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH, AND I ALMOST STOP TALKING, BECAUSE YOU ARE STRUGGLING WITH THE IDEA OF BRINGING IT UP TO CODE.

LET ME GIVE YOU THIS BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE.

BUILT IN 1990. IF YOU WERE TO FOLLOW THE BUILDING CODE EVERY FIVE YEARS YOU WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE WINDOWS. MY POINT IS, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT COMPLIANCE AND BEING IN CODE, YOU CAN'T KEEP UP WITH.

AND YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE AIR CONDITIONING, ALL THE WINDOWS,

THIS DAY TODAY'S CODE. >> I NEEDED TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE I DO NOT LIVE IN YOUR WORLD.

AND THAT IS WHY I ASKED YOU, I DON'T LIVE IN YOUR WORLD.

I LIVE IN THE COURTHOUSE WORLD WHERE WE READ STUFF, AND IF THE CODE SAYS A, B, C, D AND YOU COME IN AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, X, Y, Z, I'M MAKING AN ARGUMENT, THAT IS HOW I SEEK STUFF. SO IF YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT WITH THESE NUMBERS AND CERTAIN THINGS CAN BE DONE AND WE COULD DO WHAT JACK IS TRYING TO DO, WITH SOME NUMBERS, THEN I AM GOOD WITH THAT BECAUSE AT LEAST WE CAN TRY TO MAKE THE AREA BETTER. I AM NEVER GOING TO BE, I COULD PUT IT ON RECORD, -- BUT IF THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY BRING IT UP TO CODE ANYMORE BECAUSE YOU JUST EDUCATED ME ON THAT, BUT MAKE IT LOOK BETTER, THAT IS SOMETHING I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SWALLOW AND SEE WHERE WE ARE GOING. SO NOW, THAT IS WHY I ASKED YOU, I AM NOT TRYING -- PEOPLE WHO'VE LISTEN TO THIS, I AM NOT TRYING TO PICK ON COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

BECAUSE YOU KNOW PEOPLE WOULD THINK THAT, BUT I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. I SAID BETWEEN TWO ENGINEERS.

AND YOU KNOW, I RELY ON THEIR EXPERTISE BECAUSE THEY WENT TO SCHOOL FOR IT. SO MADAM ATTORNEY IS SMILING AND LAUGHING AT ME, BUT SHE KNOWS, SHE KNOWS WHERE SHE PROBABLY SEES MY HEAD OVER HERE TURNING AROUND BECAUSE THIS IS HOW I AM LOOKING AT STUFF BECAUSE THIS IS HOW I WAS TRAINED TO LOOK AT STUFF BLACK AND WHITE.

SO YOU EXPLAIN IT TO ME. IF YOU ARE TELLING ME, AND THE MR. MANAGER IS TELLING ME THAT THIS IS WHAT 300 IS NOT THIS MUCH FOR THIS PRICE, YOU ARE TELLING ME THAT YOU CAN GET WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, MAKING THIS PARKING LOT BETTER? LET'S DO IT.

SO IT WOULD BE BETTER, AND -- IT WOULD LOOK NICE, AND IT WOULD BE PART OF THE DOWNTOWN THAT WE ARE ALL TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND THEN WE, WHEN THE NEXT ISSUE COMES UP, WHEN THE ISSUE COMES UP, WE WOULD BE READY TO GO ON THE MASTER PLAN. AND DEAL WITH IT AT THAT TIME THAT IT IS NOT IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, AND FOR PUTTING NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME AND EXPLAINING IT. KEEPING IT UP TO CODE.

>> I WILL MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT ON CODE.

I'D BE WILLING TO BET LUNCH THAT THERE IS NOT A BUILDING OR A PROPERTY BETWEEN CITRUS AND THE INTERCOASTAL THAT MEETS THE CURRENT CODE. BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO. IT IS NOT BECAUSE -- WHEN THEY WERE CONSTRUCTED, THEY COMPLIED.

YOU DO NOT HAVE, TOO IF THAT WAS THE CASE, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE.

>> I GET IT NOW. I GET IT.

BUT AS A TRAIN LITIGATOR, I DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY.

>> THAT IS WHY I COME BACK TO THE POINT.

WE CAN'T REALISTICALLY, AND THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO DRIVE AT EARLIER, I DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT THOROUGHLY ENOUGH, THAT THE OTHER PLANS DO NOT GET US AS CLOSE TO CODE AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. I THINK THAT IF WE WERE TO MAKE THE CHANGE, THE BURDEN IS ON US TO GET US CLOSE TO CODE AS POSSIBLE. WE ARE CONSTRAINED BY LIMITATIONS OF THE LAW. SO WE WILL LOSE 12 SPACES.

THAT DOESN'T GET US AS CLOSE TO CODE AS WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GET THERE. WE LOSE 25 SPACES AND WE GET AS CLOSE TO CODE AS WE CAN. IT IS SIMILAR, WE CANNOT TURN THIS BUILDING TO A.D.A. COMPLIANCE TO THIS CODE.

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YOU COULD GET IT AS CLOSE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.

>> THAT IS KIND OF THE GIST OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT LINE THAT I WAS GOING EARLIER. I DIDN'T GET INTO THE DETAIL AND THE NUANCE, THAT IS THE REASON WHY.

I KNOW THAT WE NEED TO LOSE A 25 SPACE, THAT IS IT.

>> YOU LEARN SOMETHING EVERY NIGHT, EVERY DAY.

SO I GOT IT. >> OKAY.

HAVE WE MADE A DECISION? >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TO MADAM CHAIR -- I THINK WE ARE CLOSER TO A DECISION AND PUTTING SOME LIPSTICK ON THIS.

IN THAT POINT, I JUST THINK AS WE FURTHER EXPLORE, AND I HAVE MY ONE OFF WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND HOPEFULLY -- WHAT I WANT TO LEARN IS THAT I THINK THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID SOMETHING.

WE COULD HAVE ALL OF THAT THAT YOU MENTIONED.

YES, WE COULD HAVE REAL ESTATE OVERLOOKING THE WATER, THAT CREATES PARKING AND CREATES RETAIL.

CREATES WHATEVER WE WANT TO CREATE ENOUGH SPACE.

I JUST THINK THAT CREATIVELY, IT IS OUT THERE.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SOME OF US MAY HAVE BECAUSE WE LIVED IN OTHER AREAS BEFORE. I'VE SEEN IT, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE OPEN TO RECEIVE IT AND WELCOME INTO COME HERE SO THAT ONCE WE SEE IT WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT.

WHEN YOU SEE IT, YOU WILL BE LIKE THAT ENCOMPASSES EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE TRYING TO.

I JUST WANT TO SAY FROM A POINT OF JUST PERSONAL PRIVILEGE, IT IS GOING TO MANIFEST BEFORE US AND WE WILL SEE IT AND YOU -- WE WILL BE ABLE TO REALIZE EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT, NOT GIVING UP THE REAL ESTATE, BUT THE PARTNERS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO FAST, GET IT DONE, FINANCE AN OPTION, IT WILL COME THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO BURDEN AS MUCH OF TAXPAYERS AS IT IS PRIVATE INDUSTRY THAT IS BRINGING THESE THINGS TO OUR CITY. I AM SETTLED ON RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS PARKING LOT.

RIGHT NOW, BEFORE ME, IT IS ABOUT $300,000?

>> I CAN DO JUST THAT BECAUSE PART OF IT IS THAT IT IS DILAPIDATED, IT LOOKS BAD, THERE ARE CONCERNS.

AND I RATHER ERR ON THE SIDE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S BEEN WATCHING THIS COMMISSION, THIS MEETING TODAY, AND THEY ARE TAKING NOTES. SO I WILL PUT MYSELF IN THE CROSSHAIRS THAT WE NEED TO, CAUSE MEDICALLY ADDRESS.

THAT YOU BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.

I AM IN FAVOR AND IN SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.

>> COST MEDICALLY MEANING THE ALTERNATIVE?

>> NO ANGLES AT ALL. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SEEING? GO BACK TO THE THREE ALTERNATIVES SO THAT WE CAN

REMEMBER. >> IT HAS TO BE NUMBER ONE.

>> THE ONE THAT GOT US THE CLOSENESS IS WHAT I AM MORE COMFORTABLE WITH, I THINK. IS THAT --

>> THIS IS THE ANGLE. EVERYTHING IS ANGLED.

WE COULD MEET OUR CODES BY DOING THIS AND --

>> MADAM MAYOR, CAN I JUST STEP IN, I AM SORRY.

I DON'T MEAN TO COMPLICATE THINGS, BUT I DO WANT TO ECHO SOMETHING THAT HE SAID EARLIER AND THAT IS IMPORTANT.

THAT I WOULD NOT ADVISE THAT YOU SELECT AN OPTION THAT DOESN'T MEET OUR CODE. AND I WILL LEAVE IT OUT THAT.

AND -- HE SAID IT DOESN'T NEED THE

CODE. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING.

BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT TWO SIDES, OUR VIEWERS SAY --

>> I KNEW WHAT WAS COMING AND I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN WELL I CAN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT COMMISSIONER GAMES IS CONCERNS.

BUT KNOW THAT WE ARE IN THE REALM OF WHAT DO WE DO ONCE WE CHANGE IT, I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WAS GOING FOR THE ONE THAT IS CLOSE AS THAT MEETS THE CODE.

THIS IS IT. >> OPTION ONE.

THAT IS CORRECT. >> YEAH.

>> I WANT TO ALSO SAY THIS IS MY FINAL COMMENT ON THIS, THIS IS ONLY SEEKING YOUR DIRECTION ON THE DESIGN OPTIONS.

WE STILL HAVE TO TAKE THIS OFF THE BID.

WE ARE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH A GENERAL CONTRACTOR TO GIVE US A HARD PRICE THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU, IT MAY BE A BIT MORE, IT MAY BE A BIT LESS.

BUT THIS IS ONLY TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE DESIGN OPTION.

>> WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT WE COULD USE THAT DOES

ROADWAYS? >> NOT CURRENTLY.

WE HAVE JUST PREPARED DOCUMENTS -- THEY'VE BEEN DELIVERED PURCHASING.

BUT THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT KINDS OF INCLUDES LANDSCAPING, I DO NOT FORESEE THIS AS BEING A UNIT PRICE CONTRACT.

>> MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE OPTION, JUST ONE SLIDE BACK? IT DOESN'T MATTER.

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THE BLACK AND WHITE ONE IS FINE.

SO THIS LOOKS GOOD. SO, TO ME, AN AWFUL COURSE OVERLY IS TO PROLONG THE LONGEVITY, OR CREATE LONGEVITY WITHIN YOUR PARKING LOT. CAN WE GET AWAY WITH NOT SPENDING THAT 54 -- BY DOING THE MINIMUM?

BUT MEETING THE CITY CODES? >> YES WE CAN DO THAT.

>> YOU DON'T LIKE THAT? YOU ARE SAYING YES WE CAN DO IT BUT -- BECAUSE I KNOW THE CONDITION OF EVERYTHING. AND THE CODING IS JUST LIKE -- TEMPORARY BAND-AIDS. VERY TEMPORARY BAND-AID.

>> IT WILL LOOK PRETTY FOR A WHILE BUT --

>> I DON'T KNOW, AS LONG AS I ASK A QUESTION.

WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? HOW LONG WOULD THAT LAST SO ARE WE GOING TO BE COMING BACK IN SIX MONTHS, OR A YEAR SAYING THAT I NEED TO PUT ANOTHER COAT DOWN WHEN I GOT IT DONE? THIS IS YOUR AREA, I MIGHT NEED TO COME AND SIT DOWN WITH YOU ONE DAY AND YOU BLOW MY BRAIN WITH ALL THESE ENGINEERING THINGS AND MAKE ME UNDERSTAND. BUT I CANNOT TALK TO JEREMIAH AND HIS OFFICE BECAUSE IF I COULD -- I'M JUST SAYING IF I COULD, YOU KNOW, I WOULD HAVE ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS. I'M JUST SAYING, IS IT IF YOU PUT IT ON, IF YOU PUT THE BANDAGE ON, I'LL TAKE IT BACK.

IF YOU PUT THE COATING ON, HOW LONG WOULD IT LAST?

HOW LONG WOULD IT LAST? >> COMMISSIONER, THAT IS JUST A TEMPORARY FIX. YOU WILL START SEEING THE CRACKS RADIATE BACKUP THROUGH WITH ANY YEAR.

IT WELL -- START --

>> OKAY, SO OPTION ONE, WAIT MEETS THE CODE.

AND THE OTHER TWO DON'T. EXCEPT THE ONE THAT TAKES AWAY ALL THE PARKING SPACES. HAVE I GOT THAT RIGHT?

>> RIGHT. >> DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING

ELSE BEFORE I ASK FOR A MOTION? >> THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS WITH TALKING ABOUT THIS BACK AND FORTH, NOT TO TOUCH THE CONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO DO THE HANDICAP ACCESS FILES.

WE COULD DO THAT AND THEN ELIMINATE A FEW PARKING SPACES AND BRING THAT UP TO CODE. BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP THAT

CURRENT. >> THAT'S WHEN YOU GOT TO KEEP

UP WITH. >> I DON'T KNOW.

BY THAT WAY, IT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE PRETTY GARBAGE CANS, IT

DOESN'T -- >> IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, LET'S JUST BITE THE BULLET AND DO IT.

I READ THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, LET'S DO IT SO IT LOOKS RIGHT. SO ONCE IT IS FINISHED, IT WOULD BE SO NICE LOOKING THAT EVERYBODY WILL FORGET.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GREASE TRAPS OR ANYTHING. I AM TRYING -- I'M TRYING TO GET IT OUT. SO IF WE NEED, IF WE NEED A

MOTION, MADAM CHAIR? >> YES.

>> SO, THAT IS -- THAT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAVE. COULD WE JUST REALLY STRUCTURE, AND THE BIG CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD ALSO IS THE PARKING SPACES.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS FROM MY FRIENDS AT RODS LOSE.

AND THOSE THAT ARE AT THOSE CORNERS, MAYBE IT IS AT THE SECOND STREET BUT -- SO THOSE ARE THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT HAVE COME TO ME WITH THOSE COMMENTS.

WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES BECAUSE WE HAVE A COUPLE HERE IN THE GARAGE AND A COUPLE AT THE PARKING LOT.

AND THAT IS ABOUT IT. THAT IS A SUBSTITUTION, AND AN

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ALTERNATIVE. IT IS ADDING THE TRASH CONTAINERS, I SAW IN THE COST IT WAS 35,000 EACH ROUGHLY.

A ROUGH ESTIMATE. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 70,000 THERE, AND THEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A RECONFIGURATION OF A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES. THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY THE BAREBONES FRESHEN UP, RIGHT. SO WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE THE SPACE IN THE STRIPPING? I NEED ONE MORE EVALUATION, I

GUESS. >> COMMISSIONER, I NEED TO BRING IT UP WHERE WE ARE PROBABLY 50 TO 75,000.

BRING IT UP TO THEIR. NOT INCLUDING EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT THE TIME YOU RE-STRIPE AND YOU WILL HAVE THAT.

>> WE ARE AT HALF THE PRICE. 70,000 WITH DUMPSTERS, AND ANOTHER 75 FOR WHAT HE JUST SAID.

>> THAT DOESN'T GET US AN OVERLAY.

THAT ASPHALT ISN'T POOR CONDITION.

>> OKAY. WHY DON'T WE APPROVE THE LAYOUT AND THEN GET A HARD NUMBER ON THIS AND SEE WHAT WE ARE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. WE ARE JUST SPECULATING RIGHT

NOW. >> JUST A QUICK NOTE.

IF WE TURN THIS INTO A FIX THIS, TWEAK THIS, MAINTENANCE PROJECT THIS IS NOT AN ELIGIBLE CRA EXPENDITURE.

IF WE LOOK AT THIS FROM A BEAUTIFICATION, AN ENHANCEMENT, THEN IT IS A SCARY PROJECT. IF YOU WANT THIS TO JUST BE GETTING JACK OUT THERE WITH A COUPLE BUCKETS OF PAINT, THIS WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

YOUR CHOICE. >> I THINK WHAT WE HEARD >> I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IN MY OPINION.

YOU KNOW, OPTION WHEN IS WHERE I AM AT.

SO WHATEVER YOU CALL FOR I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

MY MOVE IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OPTION ONE HERE WHICH IS PRESENTED BY MISS ANDREWS FOR THIS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> IS THERE MORE DISCUSSION? >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, GAINES, C. JOHNSON, J. JOHNSON, CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON?

[d. Award RFP 2023-010 for Comprehensive Wayfinding Program and authorize staff to enter negotiations with the highest ranked respondent, Don Bell Signs, Inc.]

>> YES MA'AM. >> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 2023 DASH TEN FOR COMPREHENSIVE FINDING PROGRAM AND AUTHORIZING STAFF TO ENTER WITH THE HIGHEST TRAINED RESPONDENT.

>> WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT WE WILL SPEND A LOT OF MONEY.

AS BROUGHT TO YOU BY OUR ECONOMIC -- AND AN INITIATIVE THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS OF YOU KNOW WE HAVE SOME VERY ANTIQUATED SIGNS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY. AND IT HAS FINALLY COME TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE RECOMMENDATION FOR AN AWARD.

>> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS IS COMING TO YOU FOR THE THIRD TIME IF NOT MORE. SO I COULD PROVIDE A BRIEF BACKGROUND. BUT THE COMPREHENSIVE WAYFINDING PROGRAM STARTED BASED ON THE PROJECT BASED BUDGET. IT WAS BROUGHT BACK FOR THE SEA IP, AND WE ALLOCATED $600,000 FOR THIS PROJECT.

IT WILL INCLUDE GATEWAY SIGNS THAT YOU CAN SEE WITH THE BLACK HEARTS. THESE WILL BE LIKE THE ENTRANCE SCIENCE INTO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

WE HAVE WAYFINDING SCIENCE THAT ARE ALL THROUGHOUT IN YELLOW THAT ARE DIRECTING FOLKS TO OUR DESTINATION.

THEN WE HAVE DISTRICT BRAND SIGNS TO RECOGNIZE, AND WE HAVE THESE NEW AWESOME LOGOS FOR EACH DISTRICT OF THE FPRA.

TO REALLY NOTE AND SIGNIFY THOSE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.

THEN THOSE PARKING SIGNS THROUGHOUT, PRIMARILY IN SOUTH BEACH WHERE THE PUBLIC PARKING FACILITIES ARE MOSTLY.

SO WE ISSUED AN RFP, WE ARE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF SECURING EVANDER FOR THIS. BUT WE DECIDED TO DO AN RFP BECAUSE WE RECEIVED A LOT OF INTEREST.

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IT IS LISTED ON THE PAGE SO WE HAVE QUALIFICATIONS THAT ARE EXPERIENCED PAST PERFORMANCE, ABILITY TO MEET OUR PROJECT SCOPE, WHICH WAS VERY EXTENSIVE IN THIS DOCUMENT.