[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
[a. Annexation - Rock Road - Parcel IDs: 2323-501-0011-000-6, 2323-501-0013-100-1]
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>> WITH THAT SAID, I WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS, ITEM 6 A.
YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ME DO THIS, KEVIN.
ID'S 2323-501-0011-000-6 AND 2323-501-0013-1001.
>> CHAIRMAN, BEFORE WE START, MR. ALBERRY ENTERED THE
MEETING. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. ALBERRY. I'M EMBARRASSED.
I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF,
PLEASE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS. MY NAME IS CARRIE CHARLES,
CITY PLANNER. >> CARRIE CHARLES, CITY
PLANNER IS GOING TO PRESENT. >> AFTERNOON, AGAIN BOARD MEMBERS. TODAY WE BRING BEFORE YOU ROCK ROLL ANNEXATION AT OR NEAR 2570 SOUTH ROCK ROAD.
THE APPLICANT NAME IS RICHARD WITH ATLANTIC CIVIL ENGINEERING INCORPORATED. PROPERTY OWNERS ARE -- 2323-501-0011-000-6. AND 2323-501-0013-000-1.
IN SUMMARY, THERE'S A REQUEST FOR A REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION
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FOR VOLUNTARY APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION OF TWO PARCELS OF LAND AT OR NEAR 2570 SOUTH ROCK ROAD.THE SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS ST. LUCY COUNTY FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS OF RESIDENTIAL URBAN WHICH ALLOWS FIVE DENSITY UNITS PER ACRE IN THE ST. LUCY COUNTY ZONING DESIGNATION OF AGRICULTURE WHICH IS ONE DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE. THE APPLY CAPITAL IS PROPOSING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS OF LOW DENSITY WITH THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE R-1. THE PARCELS DO ALIGN WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY P SH ANNEXATION BE APPROVED, IT CAN CREATE A NEW SOURCE OF TAX REVENUE ANNUALLY TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IF DEVELOPED, DEPENDING ON THE MILLAGE RATE PER YEAR WHICH IS CURRENTLY 6.9.
AND ONE OF THE PARCELS IS CURRENTLY VACANT.
HERE IS THE SITE LOCATION OUTLINED IN YELLOW.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.4 ACRES. THE PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATIONS.
PLANNING BOARD ACTIONS WOULD BE TO EITHER ONE, RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATIONS, WHICH IS THE STAFF RECOMMENDED OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED
ANNEXATION. >> I'D LIKE YOU TO CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR ME. WE HAVE TWO PARCELS HERE FOR ANNEXATION. ONE OF THOSE TWO PARCELS, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, HAS GOT TWO HOMES ON IT. AM I UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY? IT'S GOT TWO HOMES ON ONE
PARCEL? >> THERE'S ONE HOME ON THAT PARCEL. MIGHT BE A SHED IN THE BACK
SOMEWHERE >> IT DOES SAY WOOD SHED AND ALUMINUM SHED. WOOD SHED FLOOR PLAN ON IT IS PRETTY LARGE. THAT IS THE SECOND PARCEL, THAT TRIANGLE. AND IT ONLY HAS ONE HOME ON IT. SO THERE'S ONE TAX I.D. NUMBER RELATION TO THAT COMPLETE TRIANGULAR PARCEL.
>> CORRECT, THAT WOULD BE THE ONE LOCATED AT 2570 SOUTH ROCK
I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. I WAS NOT NECESSARILY CONFUSED, BUT DIDN'T CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON
THERE. >> GLAD TO PROVIDE CLARIFY.
YOU'RE WELCOME. >> QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD?
DON'T EVERYBODY SPEAK AT ONCE. >> I THINK LAST MEETING KIND OF -- [LAUGHTER]
>> NO QUESTIONS? OKAY, I'LL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ANYONE HERE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT, PLEASE STEP FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS AND SIGN IN. IS THERE A SIGN IN SHEET?
>> YES, THERE IS. >> VERY GOOD.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS RICHARD WITH ATLANTIC CIVIL ENGINEEING.
REPRESENTING THE OWNER WHO IS OUT OF TOWN AND CAN'T BE HERE.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS YOU MAY
HAVE. >> YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD
NO, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF'S HELP AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> I KNOW THIS IS AN ANNEXATION APPLICATION FOR THIS TIME. BUT ONE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE COUNTY WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS PORTION OF ROCK ROAD
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BEING SUBSTANDARD. DOES THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE ANY SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE LARGER PROPERTY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY IMPACT HOW WELL THE ROAD IS GONNA BE ABLE TO SERVICE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY HERE?>> DOESN'T HAVE ANY PLANS AT THIS POINT.
BUT HE'S INTERESTED IN EXPLORING HIS OPTIONS TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT WITH THE TWO PROPERTIES TOGETHER.
>> ANYONE ELSE? WHO OWNS THIS GAS LINE THAT
RUNS THROUGH THERE? >> MY GUESS IS N.U.I. , FLORIDA CITY GAS. NOT SURE WHAT THEIR NAME IS
TODAY. >> IT'S NOT PART OF THE TRANSITION LINE THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO 95 THROUGH FORT
IERCE? >> I THINK THEY'RE SOMEHOW RELATED, I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHO THE OWNER OF THE GAS LINE IS. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT LINE.
>> IT'S SHOWING A 30 FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT?
>> YES, SIR. >> THAT'S PRETTY NARROW ISN'T IT, KEVIN FOR UTILITY EASEMENT GOING THROUGH A PARCEL
PROPERTY LIKE THAT? >> DEPENDS WHAT'S UNDER THERE.
I'VE SEEN SMALLER UTILITY EASEMENTS, I'VE SEEN LARGER UTILITY EASEMENTS. OBVIOUSLY WHEN THIS COMES IN FOR A SITE PLAN, ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS WILL BE FULLY REVIEWED IN TERMS OF WHAT IS REQUIRED.
OBVIOUSLY, THERE MAY BE COMMENTS COMING FORWARD FROM THE UTILITIES THAT MAY REQUIRE A LARGER EASEMENT.
IT MAY REQUIRE OTHER PLANNING RELATED ISSUED TO BE RESOLVED DURING THAT PROCESS THAT WILL ALL BE COMING BACK TO YOU IF IT DOES COME IN AS A SITE PLAN IN THE FUTURE.
BUT IT'S GOOD TO -- I WELCOME THAT COMMENT.
>> I'M CURIOUS WHEN I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT'S ONLY 30 FEET WIDE. DOESN'T LEAVE MUCH ROOM FOR EQUIPMENT SHOULD THERE BE A BREAKAGE OR DOING MAINTENANCE
ON THAT LINE OF ANY KIND. >> IT'S DIFFICULT TO ASCERTAIN WHAT SORT OF EQUIPMENT THE COMPANY USES, HOW BIG IT IS.
>> OKAY, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT PLEASE COME FORWARD.
NOT SEEING ANYONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
IS THERE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MR. ALBERRY AND SECOND BY MS. CLEMENS. CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE?
[b. Zoning Text Amendment – Boarding Houses and Rooming Houses]
>> I WANTED TO HAVE THE PLANNING BOARD LOOK AT THIS IN TERMS OF THE PROPOSED TEXT. SO LET ME DO THE PRESENTATION
AND SEE HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT. >> OKAY.
SO THIS RELATES TO AN ESTABLISHMENT, AN ENFORCEMENT OF STANDARDS FOR BOARDING HOUSES AND ROOMING HOUSES IN THE CITY. THERE WERE ISSUES RAISED SOME TIME AGO AND IT WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY COMMISSION CONFERENCE
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AGENDA IN OCTOBER 2021. DIRECTION OF THAT WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED WAS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN AMENDMENT DESCRIBED AS WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TODAY. THE AMENDMENT AT THE MOMENT PROPOSES THE CHANGES IN THE USE TABLE FOR THE Z 2 ZONING DISTRICT WHICH ESTABLISHES A NEW CATEGORY OF ZONING HOUSES AND ROOMING HOUSES. THEN THE LANGUAGE WOULD ADOPT THE STANDARDS AND MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR SUCH USES.THE PROPOSED DEFINITION SPLITS IT INTO TWO.
BUT REFERS TO BOARDING HOUSES AND ROOMING HOUSES IN BOTH OF THEM. THE DEFINITION SAYS A BUILDING IN WHICH SLOOEPING ACCOMMODATIONS ARE PROVIDED FOR A FEE WHEN MEALS MAY BE FURNISHED FOR THE OCCUPANTS BUT INDIVIDUAL COOKING FACILITIES IN THE ACCOMMODATIONS ARE PROHIBITED. THIS DEFINITION SHALL NOT BE DEEMED TO INCLUDE AN ADULT CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITY OR BED AND BREAKFAST. BOARDING HOUSE OR M RADIOING HOUSE -- A ROOM USED OR INTENDED TO BE USED AS A SLEEPING ACCOMMODATION EXC EXCLUDING COMMON AREAS.
BOARDING HOUSES AND ROOMING HOUSES ARE USUALLY FORMED BY A CENTRAL UNIT OF A COMMUNITY AREA WHICH INCLUDES A KITCHEN AND MAYBE FOOD SERVICE OR WHATEVER.
IT'S NOT DEFINED AS GROUP LIVING.
WE HAVE A SEPARATE DEFINITE NATION FOR GROUP LIVING WHICH IS FAR MORE RESTRICTIVE. IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME. I HAVE THE DEFINITION SOMEWHERE. A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME IS A STATE STATUTE DEFINITION. AND THE CLIENTS OF SUCH ARE RELATED TO THE DEPARTENT OF JUVENILE JUSTICE, THE DEPARTMENT OF CHILDREN AND FAMILIES LICENSED BY AN AGENCY FOR HEALTHCARE. THAT IS AUGUST REGULATED THROUGH THE STATE. SO IT'S NOT A COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOME AS WE HAVE DEFINED IN OUR CODE.
ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THIS TYPE OF USE, THERE WOULD BE SOME CONTROL THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION FOR THOSE USES COMING IN.
AT THE TIME OF THE CONFERENCE MEETING AND THE RECOMMENDATION MADE AT THAT MEETING, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS MADE TO CREATE A NEW DEFINITION, BOARDING AND ROOMING HOUSE AND APPLY THAT TO THE Z-2 ZONING DISTRICT.
FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, I FOUND IT REAL JUXTAPOSED TO WHAT WE ALREADY SAW IN THE CODE.
I WAS TRYING TO GET A HOLD OR A HANDLE ON WHY THAT HAD BEEN RECOMMENDED AS SUCH. I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THE MAPPING AND FIND WHERE THE Z-2 ZONING IS LOCATED.
YOU'LL FIND IT LOCATED ON AVENUE D BETWEEN 19TH AND I THINK 15TH STREET AND 13TH STREET BETWEEN I AND AVENUE B.
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THERE ARE SOME RESTRICTED LOCATIONS THAT YOU WOULD SEE Z-2 ZONING. THE ONLY OTHER PLACE I COULD FIND Z-2 ZONING IS ON WHITE WATER DAIRY ROAD CLOSE TO HARTMAN ROAD. IT'S NOT A COMMON ZONING DISTRICT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PURPOSE OF ZONING Z-2, IT'S A DISTRICT WHICH IS INTENDED TO BE RESTRICTED COMMERCIAL ZONE WHICH IS DESIGNED TO MEET SOME OF THE COMMERCIAL NEEDS OF THE IMMEDIATE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. USES ALLOWED ARE PRIMARILY THOSE WHICH PROVIDE CONVENIENCE GOODS OR FREQUENTLY USED SERVICES. LARGE BUSINESS OPERATIONS AND EX-TENSES OF STRIP COMMERCIAL AREAS ARE NOT DESIRED.AREA ZONE Z-2 SHOULD BE LOCATED NEAR THE INTERSECTIONS OF MAJOR STREETS AND GENERALLY CLOSE TO AN R-4 ZONE.
IF WE GO BACK TO THE MAP, WE SEE THAT ALL FOUR ARE DESIGNATED THROUGHOUT THE AREA.
IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST COMMON ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WE WOULD SEE IN LINKIN PARK, FOR EXAMPLE.
BUT ALL OVER THE CITY IT'S QUITE A COMMON ZONING DISTRICT. IT'S A MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. IT ALLOWS A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT USES. AND IT ALLOWS MULTI FAMILY MEDIUM DENSITY AND OTHER USES WHICH ARE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. NOW THE ISSUE, I THINK, THAT WAS BROUGHT UP TO CITY CONFERENCE WAS AN ISSUE OF THE IMPACT AND DISTURBANCE MADE IN THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE MISMANAGEMENT OF EXISTING BOARDING AND ROOMING HOUSES IN THE CITY. HOW DO WE CONTROL THAT, HOW DO WE REMOVE THEM FROM RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND HOW DO WE CONTROL THOSE? THE CODE WAS ESTABLISHED TO DO TWO THINGS. ONE, RESTRICT THE ZONING AND THE ZONING AREAS WHERE THESE USES COULD BE UNDERTAKEN AND TWO, IN TERMS OF TEXT, APPLY SOME STANDARDS AND RESTRICTIONS AND MANAGEMENT AND ENFORCEMENT DIRECTIONS ON TO THAT SO THEY WOULD BE BETTER CONTROLLED.
BUT MY CONCERN FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW IS COULD THIS BE CHALLENGED IN TERMS OF WHERE THE OTHER ZONING DISTRICTS ALLOW SIMILAR USES. ARE WE BEING ARBITRARY IN DESIGNATING A Z-2 ZONING DISTRICT PURELY FOR THE FACT THAT WE DON'T WANT THESE THINGS IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS WHICH ARE, ACCORDING TO OUR TABLE, FAR CLOSER TO WHAT WOULD BE NORMALLY CONSIDERED TO BE SUITABLE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, POTENTIAL ALTERNATIVE RESIDENTIAL ZONES, THIS IS A MEDIUM DENSITY. IT ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY DUPLEXES AND TOWN HOME, MOBILE HOME, MULTI FAMILY HOUSING WITH THREE OR MORE DWELLING UNITS.
THERE'S AN ACCEPTANCE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME DENSITY OCCURRING IN THE R-4 ZONING DISTRICT.
EVEN MORE SO IN THE R-5 ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS ENTIRELY FOCUSED ON AN ENCOURAGEMENT OF MULTI FAMILY DWELLING UNITS.
NOW I HAVE TO ALSO PUT THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF WHERE THE CITY AND WHETHER OR NOT BOARDING HOUSES, BOARDING ROOMS, ROOMING, WHATEVER THAT IS, DOES THAT FORM PART OF THAT AFFORDABILITY CONTEXT. FOR THE PLANNING BOARD, I DID INCLUDE -- IT'S ESSENTIALLY A CUT AND PASTE OF WHAT WAS
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PROPOSED AT THE CONFERENCE, COMMISSION CONFERENCE.AND THE QUESTION IS DO WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. IF WE DO, WE CAN CONVERT THIS INTO AN ORDNANCE AND TAKE IT THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS. IF WE STILL THINK THAT THIS NEEDS DISCUSSION, THEN I'M OPEN TO HEARING THAT DISCUSSION NOW AND I'D REALLY LIKE TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE PLANNING BOARD ABOUT HOW THEY VIEW THE OPERATION AND LOCATION OF THIS TYPE OF USE IN THE CITY.
WE HAVE, I THINK IN THE ACTUAL ORDNANCE, THE CODE, HAVE BEEN FAIRLY RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF REQUIRING CERTAIN ELEMENTS TO BE INCORPORATED. BUT THEN IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF ENFORCEMENT OF THAT, MONITORING OF THAT.
AND DOES THAT RESOLVE THE SITUATION THAT THIS CAME TO THE CITY COMMISSION DUE TO. I'M OPEN TO DISCUSSION AND I'D LIKE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IN SOME WAY.
THEIR HANDS WERE MOSTLY TIED IN WHAT THEY COULD OR COULD DO TO TRY TO HELP CLEAN UP A BAD SITU SITUATION. SAYING WE NEED SOME HELP WITH THIS. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE AT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE HELP. YOU'RE SITTING HERE NOW WITH SOME POTENTIAL ISSUES DUE TO STATE STATUTES THAT MAY RESTRICT YOU FROM WHAT YOU CAN DO IN THE VARIOUS ZONE ING.
I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. I WENT BACK AND DID SOME RESEARCH WHEN I PICKED UP THIS INFORMATION.
I AGREE WITH YOU, YOU'VE GOT A DIFFICULT DECISION TO TRY TO MAKE IN TERMS OF HOW TO SEPARATE THIS OUT FROM THE BIG PICTURE OF ALL THE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS.
HOW DO YOU ENCAPSULATE IT AND NARROW IT DOWN SPECIFICALLY.
>> THE BIG QUESTION IS, DO WE SEE THIS AS BEING A VERY RESTR RESTRICTIVE USE THAT IS APPLIED TO ONE ZONING DISTRICT ONLY AND THAT ZONING DISTRICT IS, AT THE MOMENT, A COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
OR DO WE SEE THIS AS A WIDER USE THAT IF CONTROLLED AND MANAGED AND ENFORCED WOULD BE SUITABLE AS MULTIPLE HOMES, HOMES IN MULTIPLE OCCUPATION, IF YOU LIKE -- THAT I CAN DO THAT IN ANY ZONING. I GUESS THAT'S ALMOST A FEDERAL LAW TOO BECAUSE IT FALLS INTO THE FAIR HOUSING ACT. SO NOT ONLY IS IT A STATE STATUTE YOU'RE BUMPING YOUR HEAD AGAINST, BUT YOU'RE BUMPING YOUR HEAD AGAINST SEVERAL FEDERAL STATUTES.
THE SAFETY NET WOULD PROBABLY BE THE C-3, WHICH IS WHY
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YOU'VE GOT IT WHERE YOU'VE GOT IT AT THE MOMENT.AND THAT FALLS INTO HOTELS, MOTELS.
I NOTICED THAT YOU SEPARATED BED AND BREAKFAST OUT OF THE DISCUSSION ALL TOGETHER, WHICH I'M GLAD TO SEE BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER REALLY HAD AN ORDNANCE ON BED AND BREAKFAST.
AND WE DID HAVE A BED AND BREAKFAST APPLICATION THAT WE APPROVED. I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT STANDS
TODAY ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. >> I THINK IT'S VERY LIMITED.
I DON'T SEE THIS REALLY FIXING A PROBLEM.
>> SO YOU'RE SAYING WE COULDN'T GRANDFTHER IN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY SET UP.
AND FROM THIS POINT ON, GO WITH C-2.
>> YOU'LL ONLY BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT IN A C-2 ZONE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. ALL THE OTHERS, THEY'LL STILL
BE BASED ON THE OLD STANDARDS. >> YOU WOULDN'T BE OFFERING ANY HELP TO CODE ENFORCEMENT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
>> RIGHT. FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT, THEY'RE BASICALLY LOOKING AT MAYBE A HALF A MILE OF AREA TO ENFORCE IT IN. IT'S VERY LIMITED TO WHAT THEY'D ACTUALLY BE ENFORCING IN.
>> THEY'RE MAINLY IN R-4. WE DO HAVE, IN THE PROPOSED C CODE, DEALING WITH THE PRE-EXISTING BOARDING HOUSES IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS CODE, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO REMAIN IN, I THINK, THE R-4 IF THEY MET THIS CODE. BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED IN FUTURE NEW BOARDING OR ROOMING HOUSES.
WE CAN LOOK AT HOW WE ENFORCE THESE THINGS TO EXISTING BOARDING ROOMS OR M RADIOING HOUSES.
THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THIS, ARE WE GONNA HAVE THE STAFF AND RESOURCES.
THAT'S GONNA TAKE TIME. IT'S GONNA BE NEEDING TO BE DONE ANY WAY, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, FROM WHY WE'RE HERE.
THE QUESTION IS, IF THOSE ARE TIDIED AND MAINTAINED AND
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MONITORED AND MANAGED IN THE WAY THAT THEY BECOME PART OF THE CITY'S HOUSING SUPPLY IN THOSE AREAS.IN A WAY, THEY ACCEPTED THAT IT'S PART OF THIS SPECTRUM OF HOUSING SUPPLY IN THE CITY. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A NEED OF THESE THINGS OR THEY WOULDN'T EXIST OTHERWISE.
>> LET ME ASK YOU, WHY NOT GROUP THE BED AND BREAKFAST, THE DORMITORY, FRATERNITY, SORORITY HOUSES ALL TOGETHER WITH THE BOARDING AND ROOMING IF THEY WERE ALL R-4 AND THEN THESE ARE THE GUIDELINES, IT WOULD HELP TO TAKE CARE OF THE ONES THAT AREN'T BEING KEPT UP.
>> THEY WOULD BECOME, IF ANYBODY PROPOSED A NEW ONE OF THESE, THEY WOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. [LAUGHTER]
>> IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT? >> TAKING IT OFF OF STAFF'S DESK FOR A WHILE. [LAUGHTER]
>> I WOULD RATHER NOT TURN THAT CLOCK BACK ON BEING --
>> IF WE HAVE THEM IN R-4 NOW --
>> I THINK THE BED AND BREAKFAST IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARDING HOUSE.
I REALLY DO. BED AND BREAKFAST SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S VERY UNIQUE. SURELY, YOU STAYED AT A BED
AND BREAKFAST. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEFINITION OF A ROOMING HOUSE. ONE GENERAL AREA TO GO DOWN
AND EAT. >> ROOMING HOUSE COULD BE A LONG TERM SITUATION. BED AND BREAKFAST, YOU'RE COMING INTO THE AREA, ENJOYING THE AREA AND LEAVING.
ROOMING HOUSE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, I HAD A BROTHER THAT LIVED IN A ROOMING HOUSE FOR TWO YEARS.
HE LOVED IT. NEW YORK CITY, IT WORKED OUT VERY WELL FOR HIM. I COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND IT.
[LAUGHTER] >> HE WAS A GUY THAT HE'D HAVE 25 CENTS IN HIS POCKET, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WORKING TODAY BECAUSE HE WASN'T BROKE.
ROOMING HOUSE LIVING WAS RIGHT UP HIS ALLEY.
BUT THAT'S GENERALLY -- AND I THINK IT'S TRUE HERE IN FORT PIERCE. ROOMING HOUSES ARE MORE OF A LONG TERM THEN A BED AND BREAKFAST WOULD BE.
I LOOK AT BED AND BREAKFAST AS A SIDELINE TO A MOTEL.
>> IF WE LEFT THE BED AND BREAKFAST OUT, WE ALREADY HAVE DORMITORIES THAT ARE R-4 AND R-5.
DORMITORIES, FRATERNITIES, SORORITIES.
>> THE PROBLEM IS, THEY'RE NOT WORKING.
AND IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DID MOST OF THE COMPLAINT THAT GOT CODE ENFORCEMENT INVOLVED THAT GOT THE COMMISSION INVOLVED THAT GOT KEVIN INVOLVED.
THE ORDNANCES AREN'T WORKING AND THAT'S WHAT KEVIN'S BEEN TASKED TO TRY TO -- INDIRECTLY TASKED TO TRY TO RESOLVE. I THINK IT WAS A PREVIOUS DIRECTOR THAT WAS TASKED WITH THIS.
>> PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER. >> TWO PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS WERE INVOLVED IN THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION AT THAT TIME.
>> ARE WE TALKING ABOUT FIXING WHAT'S THERE OR THE FUTURE?
>> I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FIXING BOTH.
FIXING THE FUTURE AS WELL AS GET WHAT'S IN PLACE IN LINE WITH AN ORDNANCE AND GIVING CODE ENFORCEMENT THE TEETH THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND TRY TO SOLVE AN ISSUE WHEN COMMUNITY CALLS WITH AN ISSUE.
>> WHAT'S THE OBJECTION WITH GOING WITH THE VIN IN R-4 AND
R-5. >> I THINK THE REPUTATION AND THE PREVIOUS MANAGEMENT AND HOW THESE PLACES HAVE BEEN OPERATING HAS CAUSED ISSUES WITH THEM BEING IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHEN PEOPLE JUST WANT QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN AN R-4, POTENTIALLY.
THEY DON'T WANT THIS UNRULY ACTIVITY AS NEIGHBORS.
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THESE USES PROVIDE A VALUABLE RESOURCE TO PEOPLE WHO NEED ACCOMMODATION NOT ONLY IN THIS CITY BUT IN OTHER PLACES ALSO.THE ISSUE THAT LANDED THIS ON MY DESK IS THE SAME ISSUE THAT LANDED IT ON THE PREVIOUS DIRECTOR'S DESK.
HOW DO WE CONTROL THESE IN A WAY THAT MAINTAINS THE CONFIDENCE OF THE CITIZENS THAT THAT AREA IS NOT BEING OVERRUN OR BEING MAINTANED CORRECTLY.
>> CAN YOU PULL THE MAP BACK UP?
>> WE HAVE SUFFICIENT -- I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS, I'M GONNA ASK IT ANY WAY. IT BROADENS THE POTENTIAL
LOCATIONS OF THESE THINGS. >> BUT IT ALSO MINIMIZES THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION -- AVAILABILITY OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IN THE R-4 ZONES THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
>> THAT MIGHT BE A CONSIDERATION THAT YOU PUT INTO THE ZONING THAT THE LOCATION OF THESE BOARDING HOUSES, ROOMING HOUSES NEED TO BE IN THE PROXIMITY OF A MILE
OR TWO TO A TRANSIT STOP. >> IT'S NOT A MATTER OF IF THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE IT, THEY NEED IT.
>> I'D LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION ON A FEW THINGS HERE. I'M READING THROUGH THE DRAFT ORDNANCE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING SPECIFIC ABOUT WHICH ZONES THIS ORDNANCE IS PROPOSING THIS TYPE OF BEING PER PERMISSIBLE IN.
>> THAT'S HOW WE WOULD CONTROL THE TYPE OF USE TO THE ZONING
THROUGH THIS TABLE. >> SO THE SUGGESTION WITH THIS TABLE IS THIS TYPE OF FACILITY WOULD BE IN CONDITIONAL USE
WITH C-2. >> AND NOT PERMISSIBLE AT ALL IN ANY OTHER ZONE. OBVIOUSLY THAT CREATES THIS KIND OF SYSTEMATIC UNFAIRNESS BETWEEN CURRENT USE AND PEOPLE TRYING TO APPLY FOR THIS IN THE FUTURE BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. THE ONLY THING I COULD THINK TO RECTIFY THAT WOULD BE TO INCLUDE THEM AS CONDITIONAL USES IN R-4 AND R-5. ONLY FOR ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING AT THE TIME THAT THIS ORDNANCE IS RUNNING. BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO APPLY FOR THAT CONDITIONAL USE WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE TAKING WHATEVER STEPS NECESSARY TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW ORDNANCE. WE PROBABLY CAN'T REALLY SOLVE THAT PROBLEM FOR THEM AT THIS POINT.
BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS OUR DUE DILIGENCE AS THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE GRANDFATHERED IN ESTABLISHMENTS WILL SHOW TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW ORDNANCE. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND GIVE IT A PROCESS THAT THIS BOARD AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY IS GETTING IN LINE THE WAY THAT WE WANT THEM TO.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD ABOUT IF YOU COULD BRING UP -- OR
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MAYBE IT WAS THE C-2. IT WAS THE DEFINITION FOR C-2.THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT -- PRIMARILY THOSE WHICH PROVIDE CONVENIENCE, GOODS OR FREQUENTLY USED SERVICES FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
MY QUESTION IS WHAT CONVENIENCE OR FREQUENTLY USED SERVICE DOES A BOARDING HOUSE HAVE FOR THE PEOPLE LIVING IN HOMES AND APARTMENTS IN AN 9R-4.
>> THAT WAS MY CONCERN. >> I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANOTHER COMMERCIAL ZONE THAT THIS LINES UP A
LITTLE MORE PERFECTLY WITH. >> I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING PROBABLY AT A HIGHER INTENSITY, MAYBE A Z-3 ZONIE
ING DISTRICT FOR THAT. >> MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS THE DEFINITION OF A BOARDING HOUSE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO GET PUNCHED OUT QUITE A BIT. YOU COULD ARGUE THAT ANY HOTEL OR MOTEL FALLS INTO THAT DEFINITION.
I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SPECIFICALLY SINGLE THESE OUT AS DIFFERENT ESTABLISHMENTS. I THINK WE NEED BETTER CLARIFICATION IN THE DEFINITION TO SINGLE OUT THESE TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS. TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT TOO VAGUE AND THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BE PASSING ON THIS ORDNANCE ON TO OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY COMPLYING WITH OTHER SECTIONS OF THE ORDNANCE.
>> I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THE DEFINITION SIDE OF THIS. THERE'S A WHOLE PAGE ON THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOC ASSOCIATION -- IT CERTAINLY IS NOT A SIMPLE PIECE OF LAN LANGUAGE. I SEE SOME OF THIS LANGUAGE HAS COME FROM THOSE. I'LL DO MORE RESEARCH ON THAT AND SEE IF THAT COMES OUT ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS THIS INVISIBLE CROSSOVER IF YOU LIKE BETWEEN HOTELS AND BED AND BREAKFASTS AND BOARDING HOMES.
A LOT OF THOSE ISSUES HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN CASE LAW WHERE CHALLENGES HAVE BEEN MADE.
WE NEED A GET A BETTER HANDLE ON SOME OF THOSE ISSUES, I
AGREE. >> FOR ME, I DEFINITELY THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH THE LACK OF HOUSING, HOTELS ARE ROOMING HOUSES AT THIS POINT. SO THEY FIT UNDER THE SAME DESCRIPTION. UNLESS WE'RE ENFORCING THE SAME RULES ON HOTELS WHICH CAN BE APPLIED AS WELL BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME HOTELS THAT YOU COME ACROSS THAT USED TO BE A NICE HOTEL BUT IS NO LONGER A NICE HOTEL.
I DON'T REALLY SEE THE DIFFERENCE.
>> I'M GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION I'VE ALREADY GOT AN ANSWER TO. UNDERSTANDING THE MAJORITY OF BOARDING HOUSES AND ROOMING HOUSES ARE IN THE AREA.
DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHERE THEY'RE ALL AT?
>> I DON'T THINK THEY ALL HAVE PERMITS.
>> MY QUESTION IS, MRS. SMITH OR MRS. WHITE OR MRS. JONES HAS A THREE BEDROOM HOUSE AND SHE'S TRYING TO LIVE ON SOCIAL SECURITY SO SHE'S RENTING OUT TWO ROOMS. IF WE DO THIS, WE NEED TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT EXISTING
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ROOMING AND BOARDING HOUSES CAN COME IN WITH THAT APPLICATION WITH MRS. WHITE OR MRS. JONES -- WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME IN RENTING TWO ROOMS. SHOULD WE PUT A MINIMUM NUMBER OF ROOMS THAT ONE CAN RENT WITHOUT FALLING INTO THIS DEFI DEFINITION.WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU GO OUT AND RENT A HOUSE AND A GIRLFRIEND COMES ALONG AND NEEDS A PLACE TO STAY.
I'LL STAY IN MY SPARE BEDROOM FOR A WHILE.
GIVE ME $200. ACCORDING TO THIS DEFINITION,
YOU'RE NOW A ROOMING HOUSE. >> ARE WE HELPING OR ARE WE
CONFUSING IT MORE? >> IT'S VERY GOOD.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO AWAY, RECONFIGURE THIS, BEARING IN MIND THE ISSUES WITH DEFINITIONS.
ONE THING I WOULD JUST LIKE A BIT MORE DIRECTION ON IS THE APPLIC APPLICABILITY.
I JUST WANT TO SEE THE REST OF THE BOARD'S OPINIONS ON THIS.
WHETHER IT BE CONDITIONAL USE IN THESE AREAS AND ZONING DIST DISTRICTS.
THAT COULD QUITE EASILY -- BOARDING HOUSES MAY NOT HAVE A KITCHEN FACILITY. WHERE WAS I? THAT COULD QUITE EASILY BE PUT INTO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE BEING GRANT ED. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT CONDITION APPLIED TO SOME OF THE DENSITY ALLOWANCES THAT WE HAVE THAT WE SAY INNOVATIVE PLANNING DENSITY BONUSES WOULD BE ALLOCATED IN AREAS CLOSEST TO TRANSIT STOPS.
THIS COULD QUITE EASILY PUT IN THIS TYPE OF CODE WORK.
THESE USES WOULD BE LOCATED WITHIN A QUARTER OF A MILE OF A TRANSIT STOP OR AVAILABILITY.
>> I ACTUALLY LIKE THAT IDEA. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE ROOMING HOUSE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE AS MUCH PARKING OR LACK OF PARKING. THEREFORE, WHOEVER IS IN THESE HOMES ARE SOLELY DEPENDENT ON THE TRANSPORTATION SERVICE
THAT WE ALREADY HAVE. >> IT ALSO PLAYS INTO THE QUESTION OF AFFORDABILITY. THE NEED TO HAVE A VEHICLE IS OBVIOUSLY REDUCED IF YOU HAD ACCESS TO PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION. >> I HESITATE ON PROVIDING FUTURE CONDITIONAL USE AND ORDNANCES.
ONLY BECAUSE I LIVE THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE OF VACATION RENTALS. AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS THING BECOME ANOTHER COTTAGE INDUSTRY THAT WORKS THROUGH HERE DAILY LOOKING FOR CONDITIONAL USE.
THAT DOES SEVERAL THINGS FOR US.
NUMBER ONE, IT IDENTIFIES THEM.
THE CITY NOW KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE AT.
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I WOULD NOT BE EXCITED ABOUT CONDITIONAL USE FOR NEW ADDR ADDRESSES.IT WASN'T EASY TO FIX THE VACATION RENTAL ISSUE.
>> I BELIEVE I WOULD BE VERY SATISFIED WITH SEEING A BOILED
PLATE CONDITIONAL USE -- >> I THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT
TRACK. >> I THINK WE'VE BURNED THE
CLOCK ON THIS. >> NOW IF THE BOARD WOULD BE SO KIND TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE STAFF TO GO AWAY. [LAUGHTER]
>> AND COME BACK WITH AN AMENDED ORDNANCE WHICH INCORPORATES THE DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY
THE PLANNING BOARD. >> I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION EXCLUDING ANY VERBAGE ABOUT GOING AWAY.
[LAUGHTER] >> WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE HIM
[c. Site Plan and Design Review - ABS Gas & Go - 3810 S. US Highway 1]
EXISTED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.THE FORMER STATION WAS DEMOLISHED IN 2015.
THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WOULD INCLUDE THE NEW FACILITY -- THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES NEAR SOUTH HIGHWAY 1 AND ST. JAMES BOULEVARD. CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE -- BEFORE YOU IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE PROPOSED FACILITIES.
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THERE'S A DRIVE-THRU AMONGST ONE OF THEIR RETAIL SPACES.THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A LANDSCAPE PLAN WITH TREES AND PALMS. THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING FOR GAS AND GO.
THE APPLICANT IS APPLYING STUCCO ALOCK WITH SOME STONE BASED ACCENTS. THIS RENDERING GIVES YOU MORE OF A 3D. THIS IS NOT THE DESIGN, BUT THIS IS A 3D RENDERING THAT WAS PROVIDED TO GIVE YOU A FULL VIEW OF WHAT THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WILL LOOK LIKE.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH TWO CONDITIONS.
>> QUESTIONS MR. GILMORE? >> TELL ME WHAT THE BORDER IS, IS THERE A WALL OR ANYTHING BEHIND THERE?
>> YES, IT'S DIVIDED BY THE ROADWAY.
>> THIS WAS PRE-2004. I BELIEVE IT WAS TAKEN OUT IN
THE HURRICANE IN 2005. >> IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE GOT
SABLE PALMS. >> I KNOW THE REQUIREMENT HE'S SPEAKING OF. BUT THERE'S A ROAD --
>> I READ A GREAT DEAL OF MATERIAL ON THIS.
AND I WANT TO -- THE APPLICANT DID A WONDERFUL JOB IN PREPARING A THREE RING BINDER AND IT HAS ENOUGH READING MATERIAL IN THAT THAT COULD PROBABLY KEEP ME BUSY FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. I READ WHAT I THOUGHT WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT OVER THE LAST 3 OR 4 DAYS.
THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE TOP 4 PACKAGES THAT I'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH FROM AN APPLICANT IN 7 YEARS OF
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SITTING ON THIS BOARD. WELL DONE.IT'S VERY WELL DONE. BUT I'VE GOT A QUESTION CONCERNING TRAFFIC FLOW. I RARELY TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC.
IN THIS CASE, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. ST. JAMES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN CLASSIFY IT AS A SUBSTANDARD ROAD, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT WHAT WE WOULD BUILD TODAY.
I THINK I'M PRETTY SAFE IN SAYING THAT.
WE ALSO HAVE A, THIS IS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF U.S. 1 AND ST. JAMES. ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF U.S. 1 AND ST. JAMES WE'RE UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON YET AGAIN ANOTHER SELF STORAGE FACILITY THAT WE APPROVED THAT IS GOING TO UTILIZE ST. JAMES, I BELIEVE, AS AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT INTO THAT FACILITY. AND WE'RE COMPOUNDING IT NOW.
AND I'M GUESSING THAT THE COUNTY, MAYBE THE STATE GOT INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION OF TRAFFIC OF TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THIS COMPLEX AND DIRECTED US INTO ST. JAMES TO ENTER THE PROJECT AS WELL AS TO EXIT IT.
THERE'S A STOP SIGN AT THE U.S. 1 IN ST. JAMES THAT'S NOT A RED LIGHT. SO IF I WANT TO ENTER THIS FACILITY TRAVELING SOUTH ON U.S. 1, I'VE GOT TO CROSS TWO LANES OF HIGH SPEED TRAFFIC. SUPPOSED TO DO 45, BUT IN THE PAST THREE YEARS, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY DO LESS THAN 60 THROUGH THAT ADDRESS. I'M ALMOST TO THE POINT, I THINK, IN ST. LUCY COUNTY, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ROAD PATROLS CONTROLLING SPEED ANYMORE. WE DECIDE THAT IF THE ROAD IS TOO FAST, WE'RE GONNA REDUCE THE SPEED LIMIT AND THAT WILL FIX IT. BUT THAT'S ANOTHER ARGUMENT FOR ANOTHER DAY. I'M GETTING CARRIED AWAY HERE.
WHAT I DO SEE IS POOR TRAFFIC FLOW IN AND OUT OF HERE AT NO FAULT OF THE OWNER. I THINK SOME OF THIS IS BEING DICTATED. I THINK OF THE OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. THIS IS WOULD BE THE MOST ATTRACTIVE OPTION IF I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE AREA. AND THERE ARE RESIDENTS DOWN IN THIS -- THERE IS A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE ARE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES IN THERE THAT WILL BE EVENTUALLY DEVELOPED -- THE SMALL COMMUNITY TUCKED DOWN THIS -- IN THERE CAME UNGLUED AND WENT CRAZY.
NOT CRAZY TO TODAY'S STAN STANDARDS -- WOULD HAVE CONTRIBUTED 25 YEARS AGO. I'VE GOT SOME CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC ON ST. JAMES. I THINK ST. JAMES IS A COUNTY
>> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE COUNTY ON DOING ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THAT LENGTH OF ROAD?
>> I AM UNAWARE OF THAT. I'LL HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT. I DO REMEMBER THE APPLICANT THEY REQUESTED A TWO WAY DRIVEWAY.
I BELIEVE FDOT DENIED THAT AND SAID RIGHT TURN ONLY
>> I THINK THE RIGHT TURN ONLY IS SPOT ON.
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I THINK UTILIZING ST. JAMES IS THE ONLY OTHER OPTION THAT'S AVAILABLE. I'M NOT SAYING ALL THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT SHOULD BE VIEWED NEGATIVELY TO THE APPLICANT I KNOW THE ARGUMENT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 40 YEARS THEY SEEM TO WANT TO CROSS THAT CRAZY HIGHWAY.ALMOST LIKE TRYING TO CROSS 95.
I'M NOT EXAGGERATING THAT. [LAUGHTER]
>> YOU LOOKED AT ME LIKE, ARE YOU KIDDING?
[LAUGHTER] >> THERE IS A TURNING LANE IN
BETWEEN >> I'M ALL FOR YOU MAKING THE TURN TO GO IN HERE. I'M ALL FOR YOU DOING THAT.
[LAUGHTER] >> I REPRESENT THE OWNER WHO AND THE ZONING PERMIT AND HE 9SDIETER WHO DID A GREAT JOB SUBMITTING THE PACKAGE. ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE FROM THE CIVIL PORTION, I CAN ASSIST.
>> WHEN WE HEARD -- I THINK WE -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE HEARD SOME TIME AGO ON THIS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT WAS LANDSCAPE AND TREES.
AND I'M A REAL FAN OF THAT DISCUSSION.
ONE OF THE PORTIONS OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS THERE 'S OVERHEAD POWER LINES RUNNING DOWN ST. JAMES ON THE NORTH
SIDE. >> BASICALLY, WE HAVE TO
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CONTAIN THE FIRST INITIAL RUN OFF.BASICALLY, THE OWNER FOR THE GAS STATION HAS TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN WITH A LOCAL MAINTENANCE FIRM THAT CAN CLEAN OUT THE INLETS. IF THEY DON'T MAINTAIN IT, THEY'RE GONNA ESSENTIALLY GET CLOGGED.
EVERY STRUCTURE -- THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVENTUALLY THE OWNER WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO KEEP UP TO IN ANY DRAINAGE
SYSTEM. >> WHAT IS THE OVERSIGHT FOR
THAT MAINTENANCE? >> IN THIS CASE, I'LL LEAVE IT
UP TO THE STAFF. >> I COULDN'T REMEMBER A MAJOR
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PRO PROJECT.>> IT DIDN'T NEED A MAJOR PROJECT.
THE FIRST TIME AROUND, THEY DIDN'T CLEAN IT UP.
WHEN I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I CALLED THE STATE BACK UP AND HAD THEM GO BACK IN. WHEN I DID MY ENVIRONMENTAL TESTING, THERE WAS A COUPLE SPOTS LEFT, SO THEY CAME BACK IN AND PUT SOME WATERING WELLS AND DID SOME PUMPING, I GUESS AND SOME OTHER STUFF AND NOW THE STATE GAVE ME A 100% CLEAN ROA. SO IT IS A CLEAN SITE.
>> OKAY. >> I TAXED MY MEMORY AND I COULDN'T GET TO THE FILE. I JUST COULDN'T DO IT.
[LAUGHTER] >> YOUR BOOK WAS DYNAMITE.
YOU DID A GOOD JOB. >> GREAT JOB, YES.
>> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
WHEN ARE YOU GONNA OPEN? >> I'M GONNA RUN A GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE. THAT'S WHAT I DO.
I HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN JENSEN BEACH THAT I LEASE OUT.
IT'S A SMALLER PROPERTY. COUPLE OF RENTALS.
TRY TO MAKE IT WORTH THE MONEY WE'RE INVESTING.
>> OKAY, GOOD. >> TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE AREA, IMPROVE AND BRING MORE TAX REVENUE AND EMPLOYMENT.
>> JUST PUTTING SOMETHING BACK ON THAT CORNER IS GONNA BE A
AS YOU SEE, THEY DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE RENDERING.
>> LOOKS GREAT. >> BETTER THAN I EXPECTED.
>> THANK YOU. IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT, WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> APPRECIATE IT. >> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS PROJECT? NOT SEEING ANYONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? NOT HEARING ANY, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE LISTED CONDITIONS, TWO
>> WE HAVE A MOTION BY MS. CLEMONS, SECOND BY MMR MM
>> APPRECIATE IT. THE NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS IS
[d. Site Plan and Design Review - John Carroll High School Field House - Delaware Ave - Parcel ID: 2408-324-0002-000-7]
6-D. SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL FIELD HOUSE, DELAWARE AVENUE, PARCELI.D. 2408-324-0002-000-7. >> THE SOUTHERN MOST POINT OF
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THE SITE WILL INCLUDE A DRIVE WITH DETENTION AREA AND DRAIN FIELD. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THE FOOTBALL FIELD TO THE NORTH. AND THE MAIN CAMPUS TO THE EAST. THE APPLICANT'S COLOR SCHEME WILL BE A MORNING FOG GREY WITH A TRIM OF BLACK OFKNIGHT. >> I NOTICED THERE'S A SEPTIC
SYSTEM PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE. >> YES.
THIS SITS BETWEEN HAMMOND -- WHAT ARE THE TWO CROSS STREETS? WE DON'T HAVE SEWER LINES
RUNNING IN THERE? >> APPARENTLY NOT.
THERE'S A CODE SECTION THAT STATES THAT IF YOU'RE NOT WITHIN 300 FEET, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CONNECT THAT
AREA IS VERY HIT OR MISS. >> I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE. WE AGREE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE STAFF REPORT.
>> AND WE CAN'T GET SEPTIC SERVICE HERE.
THAT IS JUST -- WE ARE IN 2023, ARE WE NOT? AND IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.
>> I THINK SO. >> THERE'S NO EXISTING FORCE MAIN OR GRAVITY SEWER NEAR THE PROPOSED BUILDING.
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2023, FORT PIERCE, INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.WATER SHED. >> THERE'S A LOT OF IT,
SEPTIC. >> WE CAN GO ON AND ON ABOUT THAT. IT'S JUST CRAZY.
WE HAVE TO STOP DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
WE'RE MOVING A SEPTIC PLANT TO HELP KEEP THE LAGOON CLEAN.
AND WE'RE PUTTING IN NEW SEPTIC SYSTEMS. DO THE RIGHT THING WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. MAKE IT OVERSIZED. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER.
BUT OKAY, VERY GOOD. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM M MR. HEANING.
IT'S MY NAP TIME. SECOND BY MR. ALBURY.
CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE. >> MR. KREISL?
[e. Preliminary Plat - Savannah Preserve - E. side of S. US Highway 1 at the intersection of Dickson Drive, lying N. of the existing Gator Trace Planned Development Parcel IDs: - 2426-333-0015-000-5, 2427-433-0002-000-1, 2427-433-0001-000-4, 2434-121-0001-000-8]
>> YES. >> CHAIRMAN CREYAUFMILLER?
>> YES. >> THE NEXT ITEM I'M GOING TO EXCUSE MYSELF FROM. I EXCUSED MYSELF THE LAST TIME IT CAME REGARDING THE OUTFLOW OF STORM WATER FROM THE SAVANNAH PRESERVE SITE INTO THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT OVERFLOW SYSTEM.
END ENCROACHMENT OF SAID WATER INTO GATOR TRACE PLANNED COMMUNITY SECTION GARDEN VILLAS.
I WILL HAND THIS TO ALICIA ON THE WAY OFF.
AND I WILL GIVE YOU YOUR JOB BACK.
SO WE ARE DOWN TO ITEM 6-E. PRELIMINARY PLAT-SAVANNAH PRESERVE-E SIDE OF S U.S. HIGHWAY 1 AT THE INTERSECTION OF DICKSON DRIVE, LYING N OF THE EXISTING GATOR TRACE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PARCEL ID'S: 2426-333-0015-000-5, 2427-433-0002-000-1, 2427-433-0001-000-4, 2434-121-0001-000-8. I'M TIRED.
[LAUGHTER] >> STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.
>> THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT DENNIS MURPHY THE PROPERTY OWNERS SAVANNAH PRESERVE, LLC.
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THE PROPERTY HAS A FUTURE LAND USE -- AND A ZONING DESIGNATION OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.THIS IS THE SUBJECT SITE AERIAL WITH THE 132.696 ACRES.
THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING MAP SURROUNDED BY MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL AND LIGHT INDU INDUSTRIAL. THIS IS THE PROPOSED PLAT, OVERALL PLAT. BEFORE YOU, WE HAVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SPECIFICATIONS.
I'M GONNA LEAVE THEM UP TO SHOW THE DIFFERENT PARTS.
I THINK THERE'S ABOUT 7. SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM. OKAY, READY FOR THE NEXT.
>> OKAY, NEXT. THESE ARE THE LAST.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH ONE CONDITION THAT PRIOR TO THE SUBMITTAL OF THE FINAL PLAT THE APPLICANT SHALL ADDRESS ALL THE CITY ENGINEERING COMMENTS ON THE PLAT AND OUR REASON FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL IS THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 121 OF THE CITY CODE, COMPREHENSIVE PAN IN THE APPROVED PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHICH I DO HAVE IN ONE OF THE POWER POINT SLIDES IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. IT DOES NOT ADVERSELY ADDRESS THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE. POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE PLANNING BOARD ARE TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH ONE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITION OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. THANK YOU.
AND THIS WAS THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PLAT DEVELOPMENT.
>> APPROVED ON JULY 18TH, 2022 ORDNANCE 22-017.
>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL ME WHY THIS IS COMING BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD?
>> SO ORIGINALLY, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS SEEN ALONG WITH THE PLANN DEVELOPMENT AND THERE WAS SOME OUTSTANDING COMMENTS OR THINGS THAT WEREN'T FOLLOWED THROUGH THE PLAT SPECIFICATION. SO THE APPLICANT IS COMING BACK FORWARD COMPLETING THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE
PRELIMINARY PLAT. >> CAN YOU REMIND US OF WHAT
THOSE ITEMS WERE? >> I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER EXACTLY. BUT I CAN LET THE APPLICANT --
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. >> I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE ROAD CONNECTING THEM AND THE DRAINAGE WITH THE
BURN. >> I THINK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN AN ADDITION. BUT I KNOW THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAD APPROVED IT WITH CONDITIONS.
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BUT I THINK IT WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE WITH CONDITIONS, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE -- EVERYTHING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THEM MOVING TO FINAL PLAT.>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. >> IF THE APPLICANT COULD STEP
FORWARD, PLEASE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
JUST IN TIME FOR THE THUNDERSTORM ABOVE US.
FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS DENNIS MURPHY.
WE'RE THE ENGINEERS REPRESENTING SK SAVANNAH, LLC.
THE DEVELOPERS OF THE SAVANNAH PRESERVE COMMUNITY.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AS TO WHY ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN. THAT IS BECAUSE THE WAY THE CITY SUBDIVISION CODES WERE WRITTEN BACK HOWEVER LONG AGO
IT WAS, >> MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH
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>> IMPROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED.
IF WE CAN CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE?
>> WE GET TO MOVE THE GAVEL. >> THANK YOU.
NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS. I SEE ALL THE PUBLIC IS LEAVING. [LAUGHTER]
>> SO I GUESS THEY'RE NOT GONNA COMMENT.
[8. DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
I'LL MOVE ON TO DIRECTOR'S REPORT.>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. YOU MIGHT BE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE RECENT STATE LEGISLATIVE GOINGS ON WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSION, IF THIS APPLICATION DOES COME IN ARE NOT INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW PROCESS. HOWEVER, I HAVE SPOKEN TO EACH OF THE DEVELOPERS WHO WERE CONSIDERING THIS WAY OF COMING FORWARD. AND THEY REALLY DO NOT WANT TO BE SEEN AS BEING IN THE PROCESS OF OVERRIDING LOCAL DETERMINATIONS OR LOCAL INPUT. THEY ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO ROOM FOR LOCAL IMPORT AND LOCAL COMMENT OR AMENDMENTS OR EVEN DECISION MAKING ON THAT.
OTHER THAN WITH A STAFF REVIEW, AS WE WOULD DO SUBSEQUENTLY TO AN ITEM COMING FORWARD -- WE WILL BE
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BRINGING FORWARD AND NOT DATING WHAT'S IN PROCESS.SO YOU'VE GOT A GOOD IDEA IF SOMETHING STARTS HAPPENING ON U.S. 1 OR SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT HAPPENING. WE'LL BE REVIEWING THEM ON SITE PLAN ZONING CRITERIA. JUST AS YOU WOULD NORMALLY DO A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD BE APPLYING LANDSCAPING SET BACKS. WE CAN'T APPLY DENSITY TO THE EXTENT THAT DENSITY WOULD BE ALLOCATED IN TERMS OF CRITERIA THAT IS INCORPORATED IN THE STATE STATUTE AS BEING THE HIGHEST DENSITY AVAILABLE IN THE CITY FROM RESIDENTIAL ZONING. WHICH IN OUR CITY IS 30 UNITS PER ACRE POTENTIALLY. AND THEN WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL HEIGHT. I'M ANTICIPATING THAT WILL BE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING.
KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE BECAUSE THEY WILL STILL GO THROUGH THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.
I'M HEARING ALSO THAT, YOU KNOW, PROPERTIES WITHIN LINKIN PARK AREA, IF THEY'RE LARGE ENOUGH, ARE BEING CONSIDERED IF THEY'RE ZONED COMMERCIAL TO BE LOOKING FORWARD FOR AFFORDABLE MIXED USE PROJECT, AFFORDABLE MARKET RATE ALL IN ONE. WHICH I THINK FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW IS A BETTER SOLUTION THAN JUST HAVING AN ENTIRE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BLOCK OR AN ENTIRE MARKET RATE BLOCK WITHIN A LOW INCOME COMMUNITY HOPEFULLY, IF IT'S WORKING, WILL ENCOURAGE THAT MIX OF USES GOING INTO LOCATIONS WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE AND WORK IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER. THAT'S PART OF MY OWN SORT OF PHILOSOPHY ON HOUSING AND COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING HOUSING AND RESIDENTIAL AS CLOSE TO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AS POSSIBLE, BEARING IN MIND THE IMPACT ON EITHER FROM THOSE USES.
CUTTING DOWN ON TRANSPORTATION COSTS, ALLOWING INDUSTRY TO ACCESS EMPLOYMENT RESOURCES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
AND ALLOWING PEOPLE TO LIVE CLOSER TO WHERE THEY WERE.
THERE'S LOTS OF BENEFITS POTENTIALLY FROM THIS.
IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS MOVES ON.
BUT AT THE MOMENT, I'M REACHING OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY TELLING PEOPLE WHAT'S GOING ON SO THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY CAUGHT BY SURPRISE BY SOMETHING JUST HAPPENING IN THEIR BACKYARD THAT'S NOT GONE FULLY THROUGH THE PROCESS IN TERMS OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THAT'S GONNA BE THE MISSING PIECE, IF YOU LIKE. I THINK WE'VE GOT A SOLUTION TO KEEP PEOPLE INFORMED AND STILL COMPLY WITH THE STATE
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STATUTE. ON ANOTHER NOTE, I THINK BOTH OF THESE THINGS ARE POSITIVE. WE DID DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL BRIGHTLINE STATION AND THE ATTEMPTS BY THE CITY TO PUT FORWARD A CONSOLIDATED AND CONSISTENT APPROACH.THE STAFF AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ARE WORKING VERY HARD TO ENTICE THE ENTITY TO COME AND PUT A STATION IN THE CITY. WE'RE LOOKING FOR -- THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS GOING TO ISSUE AN RFQ FOR QUALIFICATIONS FOR INTERESTED PARTIES TO BID ON THE POTENTIAL DESIGN. I THINK THE CITY BEHIND THE SCENES ARE DOING A LOT OF THINGS THAT I KNOW WILL PROVIDE HUGE BENEFITS TO THE CITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
WE ARE STILL GETTING A LOT OF APPLICATIONS IN, SO WE'RE NOT SEEING A REAL SLOW DOWN ON APPLICATIONS.
YOU'LL SEE THOSE THINGS COMING FORWARD.
KEEP YOUR EYE ON THOSE AND YOU WILL BE BUSY.
THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> SOUNDS LIKE YOUR OFFICE IS
BUSY. >> IT'S GOOD TO BE BUSY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. I'VE BEEN HERE EXACTLY A YEAR OR SO, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. IN THAT TIME, WE'VE MANAGED TO RECRUIT SOME GOOD PEOPLE. WE'RE MORE CONSISTENT IN OUR APPROACH TO INQUIRIES. ALTHOUGH WE ARE AT CAPACITY THINGS COMING IN, WE'RE SETTING UP PROCESSES TO HELP OURSELVES AND TO HELP THE BOARDS AND TO HELP APPLICANTS AND CITIZENS MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THAT WILL BE ANOTHER CHANGING IMPROVEMENT AND TASK THAT I'M PLACING ON MY STAFF TO GET THESE THINGS ORGANIZED.
I HOPE YOU'VE NOTICED SOME CHANGES AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS YEAR THAT WILL BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE TYPES OF THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THAT'S ONGOING.
THE MARKET CHANGES IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS.
WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A DO CHECKLIST THAT WILL BE PROVIDING TO APPLICANTS AS THEY'RE MOVING IN THE DOOR.
ONE IS A CHECKLIST FOR LANDSCAPING, AND TO MAKE IT -- EACH APPLICANT IS AWARE OF CODE COMPLIANCE FOR LANDSCAPING. AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF IS A DESIGN INPUT. IN THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THERE ARE CRITERIA. WE CAN OUTLINE ALL THE DESIGN GUIDANCE AND WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR HERE.
THAT SHOULD BE AND WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD WITHIN THEIR PACKETS WHEN THEY REVIEW APPLICATIONS GOING FORWARD. HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE RESPONSE TO THAT. IT STARTS TO CREATE VALUE, IT
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STARTS TO CREATE EXPECTATION FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS AND THE NEIGHBORS AND THE CITIZENS OF THESE NEW DEVEL DEVELOPMENTS.IT WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO THEIR STANDARD OF LIVING.
IT WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT TO HOW THEY SEE THEIR TOWN.
I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO GET MORE INVOLVED WITH THAT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD.
I'M ENCOURAGING YOU TO DO THAT AND ASK QUESTIONS WHEN APPLICANTS AND DEVELOPMENTS COME FORWARD.
BECAUSE WE ARE CERTAINLY DOING THAT BEHIND THE SCENES.
>> I THINK THE REPORTS, WE DON'T HAVE THE FLUFF IN THEM THAT WE HAD. I THINK WHAT'S IN HERE IS MORE MEAT AND POTATOES REQUIRED FOR THE BOARD TO FORMULATE GOOD QUESTIONS IT'S VERY NECESSARY FOR OUR BOARD TO STUDY THE INFORMATION THAT IS PASSED ON TO US BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IF WE DON'T COME PREPARED, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME WITH GOOD QUESTIONS.
WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE AN APPLICATION.
CHALLENGING THE APPLICATION IS QUITE ACCEPTABLE.
CHALLENGING THE STAFF PRESENTING IS UNACCEPTABLE.
BUT AGAIN, CHALLENGING THAT APPLICATION -- AND THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD BOARD MEMBERS OVER THE YEARS THAT DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENCE. I DON'T LIKE TO SEE THAT.
WHEN IT HAPPENS, I GENERALLY TRY TO PULL IT IN.
YOU'VE SEEN THAT. AND IT MAKES THE CHAIR'S JOB MUCH HARDER WHEN WE FORGET THAT WE'RE CHALLENGING AN APPLICATION AND NOT THE PERSONNEL INVOLVED.
THE CHANGES YOU'VE BEEN MAKING HAVE BEEN VERY POSITIVE.
I'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH WHAT I'VE SEEN.
IF I WASN'T, YOU DO REALIZE I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING BY NOW. BUT I'VE BEEN VERY HAPPY WITH IT. I SAW THAT ENGINEERING CAME DOWN IN THE LAST 15 MINUTES OF THE MEETING.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BE TACKY ABOUT THIS. I'M NOT TRYING TO CHALLENGE THE PERSONNEL. BUT IF THEY CAME DOWN IN ANSWER TO OUR REQUEST THAT OUR BOARD MADE THAT ENGINEERING BE INVOLVED IN THESE MEETINGS, BE PRESENT, IT WAS A LITTLE TOO LATE. BECAUSE TWO APPLICATIONS THAT ENGINEERING COULD HAVE PROVIDED INFORMATION ON, THEY WERE NOT HERE FOR. SO IT'S UNFORTUNATE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE OTHER JOBS TOO.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT A PLANNING BOARD MEETING WITH SEVERAL MAJOR APPLICATIONS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO ENGINEERING THAT THEY COULD HAVE A PART IN THE DISCUSSION AND PROVIDE THE GAPS THAT WE TEND TO GET. SO I'M GONNA ASK THE ENGINEERING, I HOPE THAT YOU'RE LISTENING OUT THERE.
TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB AT GETTING THE OUR BOARD MEETINGS ON TIME. I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN SAY THAT ANYMORE POLITELY. MAYBE THERE'S WAYS.
THE OTHER THING I'VE GOT IS THAT I INFORMED THE BOARD SOME TIME AGO THAT I WAS GOING TO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN TRYING TO FORMULATE SOME CHANGES TO OUR PRESENT RULES OF HOW THIS BOARD FUNCTIONS.
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I'M GONNA BLAME EVERYTHING ON THE PANDEMIC.[LAUGHTER] I KIND OF GOT SIDETRACKED AND HAD SOME THINGS GOING ON THAT I THOUGHT WAS A LITTLE MORE IMPORTANT. WHEN I LOOKED DOWN AT MY LEG AFTER I HAD THE HIP PUT IN AND I SAW THIS GIANT SCAR AND I THOUGHT GEEZ. I KNEW HOW MUCH I WAS GETTING INTO. I KIND OF PUT THIS ON HOLD A LITTLE BIT ON ICE. BUT WE'RE GONNA SPEND A COUPLE MINUTES HERE THIS AFTERNOON. I'M GONNA TRY TO GET SOME GAPS FILLED IN. WE ARE GONNA WORK ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL HAVE SOMETHING FOR NEXT MEETING BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO PLAY A ROLE IN THIS AS WELL.
I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO, SO IT SHOULDN'T BE TOO [LAUGHTER]
>> IT'S ONLY TWO PAGES TO START WITH.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.
BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS, PARTICULARLY THE ONES THAT FALL ON TO YOUR DEPARTMENT'S SCOPE. ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS, AND I MAY HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, I'VE GOT CONCERN THAT WE ELECT OFFICERS -- WE ONLY HAVE TWO OFFICERS TO ELECT BECAUSE OUR SECRETARY SOME TIME AGO IS ALICIA.
SO WE DON'T ELECT A SECRETARY ANYMORE.
FOR YEARS, WE WERE SELECTING A SECRETARY THAT DID ZERO.
BECAUSE ALICIA HAD TO TAKE ALL THIS INFORMATION ANY WAY BY LAW. SO OUR SECRETARY WAS DOING NOTHING, WE ELECTED A SECRETARY EVERY YEAR.
WHY ARE WE ELECTING A SECRETARY? ANY WAY, WE DO LIKE A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR.
WE ELECT A CHAIR AND A VICE CHAIR IN SEPTEMBER.
NOW HERE COMES THE POTENTIAL HICCUP BUT MR. GAINES DOESN'T GET ELECTED FOR HIS SEAT IN SIX YEARS.
YOU'RE GOOD FOR SIX YEARS. HE DOESN'T GET ELECTED FOR A SEAT. COME DECEMBER, THERE'S A NEW COMMISSIONER. THAT COMMISSIONER DOESN'T LIKE YOU AS MUCH AS COMMISSIONER GAINES DOES.
YOU'RE GONE. WHAT'S THE BOARD TO DO? IN DECEMBER, JANUARY, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A NEW ELECTION.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'D LIKE TO CHANGE.
I SUGGESTED JANUARY. KEVIN SUGGESTED FEBRUARY.
FEBRUARY MIGHT BE MORE APPRO APPROPRIATE. NOT ALWAYS DOES A NEW COMMISSIONER COME IN AND IMMEDIATELY ASSIGN A NEW BOARD MEMBER. THE WAY THAT THE CODE OF ORDNANCES READS, IF YOUR COMMISSIONER LOSES THE SEAT, DOESN'T GET RE-ELECTED, DECIDES TO RESIGN, YOU STAY ON THE BOARD UNTIL THE NEW COMMISSIONER APPOINTS A BOARD MEMBER, EITHER YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE.
WE ONLY HAD IT HAPPEN ONE TIME.
I'D RATHER WE DIDN'T HAVE IT HAPPEN IF WE CAN PREVENT IT.
THAT'S ONE OF THE ITEMS. BUT I'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE RULES OVERALL, GO THROUGH THEM, LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS AND TRY TO BE UNIFORM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
THE WAY WE HANDLE ABSENTEES IS VERY SUSCEPTIBLE IN THIS BOARD. AT ONE TIME, THE COMMISSION WAS CONCERNED ABOUT A BOARD HANDLING THEIR OWN ABSENTEES AND PARTICULARLY THAT MEANT THAT THERE HAD TO BE SOME ACTION TAKEN. I THINK THE WAY THAT WE DO IT
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IS VERY ACCEPTABLE. IF YOU HAVE THREE ABSENCES, IF YOU HAVE AN ABSENC WITHOUT A REASON OR ACCEPTABLE REASON, THERE'S ACTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN.I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING THAT ISSUE COME UP EITHER.
I THINK OVERALL, OUR BOARD FUNCTIONS VERY SMOOTHLY.
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>> THIS DOESN'T REALLY MEAN I'M A HERO.
IN TERMS OF THE MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT LADY GETS AROUND TO ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ON IN THIS CITY THAT SHE GETS AROUND TO AND IS ACTIVE IN THE BOARDS THAT SHE'S ACTIVE IN AND ACTIVE IN THE LEAGUE OF CITIES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THE LADY DOES IT.
SHE'S MY HERO IN TERMS OF HOW SHE'S ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING SHE ACCOMPLISHES. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE
ANYTHING TO SAY? >> NOTHING WE CAN'T E-MAIL.
[LAUGHTER] >> OKAY.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.