[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
>> IT IS JUNE 13, TO 23. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND
JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
>> PRESENT. >> PRESENT, MA'AM.
>> FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE
MINUTES OF. >> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL.
>> SECOND, AND SECOND, AND CALL THE ROLL.
>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FROM THE MAIN 9, 2023.
>> BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DELETIONS, THE CITY MANAGER HAS AN ITEM AS HE WOULD LIKE AS 6 K, TO THE CONSENT AGENDA AND I WILL LET HIM EXPLAIN THAT ITEM, BUT IT
HAS TO GO BEFORE COMMENTS. >> WHAT I WILL BELIEVE I PASSED DOWN HARD COPIES. THIS IS REQUESTED BY THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL WITH THE LINCOLN PARK MAINSTREAM AND SEEKING A PLAN AND CHIEFING ACHIEVE ACHIEVE THAT THROUGH GRANT FUNDS AND APPLY WITH THE TREASURY TO RECEIVE THE FUNDS TO EXECUTE THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PLAN. I WOULD HOPE THAT THE FPRA WOULD CONSIDER THAT AT THIS TIME.
[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject on this agenda may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Chairperson, as this section of the Agenda is limited to fifteen minutes. The FPRA Board will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Chairperson, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]
>> WE MOVE ON TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
>> THIS IS A TIME FOR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE FPRA. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES. >> KEVIN KEENE.
5255 PALMETTO AVENUE. >> WELCOME.
>> THIS WILL BE REGARDING AGENDA ITEM 7 B.
AND THE PRESENTATION THAT ASSUMING THAT YOU WILL BE GIVING TONIGHT. MAYBE YOU COULD ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THREE CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY THAT I HAD.
NUMBER 1; THE SITE DEDICATION FOR THIS ALL REGARDING THE FISHERMAN WHARF, WHEN YOU CHANGE THE SITE DEDICATION PRIOR FIND APPROVAL SECTION 17, HAS TO BE PROVIDED. I SPOKE WITH JANET ZIMMERMEN AND SHE CONFIRMED THAT. I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE ANY OF THE DOCUMENTS. OR THE DRAFT OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE TERMINATION THAT IS FORTHCOMING.
>> I SEE 704, 237 THAT IS COULD BE REPAID.
IF THE SITE DEDICATION IS REMOVED.
378 ST. LUCIE COUNTY. AND MRS. ZIMMERER MAN TOLD ME THAT 25 YEARS FROM THE DATE HAS TO BE REPAID AS WELL. SHE DID QUICK A SEARCH AND THERE IS ONE 55 THOUSAND DOLLAR PROJECT AT THE CITY'S BEHALF IN 2000. SHE IS DOING ON LOOK AND EVERY STATE-FUNDED PROJECT THAT WAS GIVEN FROM 1998 TO
PRESENT ON THAT PROPERTY. >> LASTLY, THERE IS A LETTER FROM THE DEVELOPER'S ATTORNEY FROM SHELLEY ASSOCIATES ATTORNEY DEMANDING A PRESERVATION OF INFORMATION AND IT STATED INCLUDES THE MODIFYING OR MODIFICATION OF ANY RELATED DOCUMENT.
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WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE LOCAL AGREEMENT THAT YOU HAVE WITH THE COUNTY AND THE PHASE 1, MEANING THE DRAFT YOU HAVE FORWARD ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT FOR THAT CAN'T BE>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> MY NAME IS RICK, 2208 -- FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.
EVERY TIME THIS COMES UP, WE KEEP COMING BACK AND MORE WE COME BACK, THE MORE EVERYTHING SEEMS LIKE IT IS -- IT STARTS OUT AS THIS AND BECOMES THIS AND BECOMES THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU EXPECT OR THINK IT IS GOING TO BE AT THE END, THIS IS A HANGING AROUND YOUR NECK AND IT IS GOING TO HANG AROUND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S NECK TOO.
THIS SOMETHING THAT NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE UNTIL YOU ALL HAD YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE CONTRACT THAT THE CITY ENTER INTO AND YOU GOT IN BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD SPACE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE AREA WHERE THEY CAN HAVE IT AT, BUT IT SEEM TO BE THEIR DESIRE.
IF YOU CAN'T SEE THE OCEAN, THE BEACH, WHEN YOU GO OVER THE BRIDGE BECAUSE OF THE HARBOR CONDOS AND A BOAT HOUSE THAT IS ANY UNDETERMINED AMOUNT.
AND YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A DETERMINED AMOUNT YOU THOUGHT IT WOULD BE, BUT WHEN THE RESTRICTIONS GET CHANGED LIKE KING AS LANDING, THERE IS NO STOPPING THIS STUFF. WE ARE LOCALS, WE ARE NOT AGAINST PROGRESS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT MY OPINION THE WAY TO DO THIS AND I JUST KEEP THINKING THAT WE JUST KEEP PLAYING WHACK A MOLE WITH THIS. AND I HOPE THIS ENDS UP DIEING AND DOES NOT GET APPROVED AND TALLAHASSEE APPROVE IT EITHER. THIS IS YOU ALL'S MONEY PIT AND YOU KEEP PAYING MORE AND MORE MONEY.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO COME FORWARD?
>> GOOD EVENING. >> THIS BOAT RAMP IS A BIG ISSUE. I HAD THIS MAGAZINE, IT IS 2001. IT TALKED ABOUT THE ONE HUNDRED-YEAR ANNIVERSARY INLET.
IT GOT MR. SHELLEY AND HIS AD.
THE BOAT RAMP IS IMPORTANT. WITH THIS INLET, THERE ARE BOATS, AND PEOPLE HAVE TO GET THEIR BOATS IN THE WATER. NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD TO PUT THEIR BOAT IN STORAGE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WILL DO IT. THE PROPERTY AT HARBOR POINT IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THERE HAS TO BE WITH A WAY FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO FUND IT AND IT NEEDS TO BE FINISHED, 4-6 SLIPS, AND PARKING FOR 150 CARS. IF YOU GO TO THE BOAT RAMP, IT IS ABSOLUTELY A MADHOUSE ON WEEKENDS.
>> AND ANOTHER AD, DRAGON FLIES -- IT IS GEARED TOWARDS THE WATER. I AM HERE TO TELL YOU, GET THE BUILDER, IF IT IS GOING TO MOVE.
GET THE BUILDER TO FUND PART OF IT AND WORK WITH THE COUNTY. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO? I DON'T KNOW THE DYNAMICS AND HOW DEEP YOU GOT YOURSELF INTO THE CONTRACT STUFF.
BUT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE WORKING HARD TO WORK IT OUT.
THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE WITH THE BOATS AND THE MONEY THEY SPEND. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE?
I'M TIM, I HAVE BEEN IN FORT PIERCE FOR 55 YEARS.
THIS IS AGAIN ABOUT THE BOAT RAMP.
AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT APP OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WANT TO DO.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE A BOAT HOUSE IS SUPPOSE BE.
AND IT IS IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST TO DO IT SOMEWHERE
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ELSE. IF YOU GO TO STAN BLOOM BOAT RAMP, YOU WILL SIT THERE 45 MINUTES TO AN HOUR TO PUT YOUR BOAT IN. WE HAVE TWO NICE CONCRETE SILOS TO LOOK AT THAT WE HAD THAT NEVER DID ANYTHING.WE DON'T NEED A BOAT HOUSE IN THE PARKING LOT.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE? >> HI, GOOD EVENING.
GOOD AFTERNOON. I JUST WANTED TO SAY --
>> NAME, FOR THE RECORD. >> I'M SO SORRY --
>> I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FOR TRYING TO BE BE PROACTIVE TO FIND A SOLUTION. IT IS SENSITIVE SUBJECT FOR THE LOCALS AND WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE AGENCIES I THINK THERE'S A FULL WIND FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED AND I
WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> ANYONE ELSE? MARK WALTERS, 30 HARBOR
ISLE. >> IF WE HAVE TO LOSE THE BOAT RAMP, DON'T DO IT UNTIL IT IS REBUILT SOMEWHEE ELSE, BIGGER AND BETTER. THE COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH 2040 PLANNING, AND CAN WE HAVE A BOAT RAMP THAT IS 2040 PROJECTED IN SPACE AND PARKING AND IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY SLIPS YOU HAVE IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING. I DEAL WITH, EVERY DAY, THE LEVEL OF SERVICES ON THE ROAD, GUIDELINES COMING, AND BRIDGE PACKED UP. IT -- IT DRIVES ME INSANE.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE.
AND WE GOT BRIGHT U.S. 1, SECOND STREET AND INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. IT BACKS UP BOTH WAY, HALF WAY UP THE BRIDGE. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT BRIDGE REBUILDING BY NORTH BRIDGE, OKAY, RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE SHUT-OFFS AND ONE DAY THEY ARE GOING TO DO SOUTH BRIDGE TOO.
I DON'T KNOW WHEN. BUT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE DEAL WITH THAT ALL OF THE TIME.
IT DOESN'T SEEM, IT IS LIKE THE CITY GETS A PRIORITY TO NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE.
AND THE ROADS ARE OVER-CAPACITY.
I OPEN, LIKE I SAID, A BOAT RAMP PLAN FOR 2050.
>> ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO MOVEMENT, WE WILL CLOSE THIS AND MOVE ON -- OH. I DON'T KNOW MIND AT ALL.
I HAVE BEEN IN FORT PIERCE MY WHOLE LIFE UNTIL I WAS IN
THE MARION CORPS. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR
-- >> I'M OUT THERE FISHING AND
I AM A FIREFIGHTER. >> THE PEOPLE ON BOATS, THE ROADS CAN'T SUPPORT IT. AND THE PEOPLE GOING TO THE BEACH. WE ARE ADDING MORE BEFORE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN SUPPORT IT.
FROM WHAT I SAW IN THIS CONTRACT, I'M NOT A PRO, I DON'T KNOW AT ALL. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL BUILD A BOAT RAMP UNTIL THEY COMPLETE THE PHASES OF CONSTRUCTION. HOW ARE WE GOING TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE TO BUILD IT AT ALL? IT IS GOING TO LEAVE OUR CITY FULL OF PEOPLE LIKE PALM BEACH WHERE YOU CAN'T GET ANYWHERE.
WE HAVE A BIG OLD BOAT HOUSE AND NO WAY TO GET TO IT AND AROUND IT. AND WAITING 2 HOURS TO GET ON THE WATER. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE WE CONSIDER A PROJECT LIKE
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
I THINK WE CAN MOVE ON. >> SO, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH 6 KADDITION.
>> ANY BOARD MEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM FOR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN TO
>> SECOND. >> APPROVED AND SECONDED.
[a. Surplus property redevelopment update for 1409 Avenue J and 2002 Avenue M]
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>> SURPLUS UPDATE FOR 1409 AVENUE J, AND M.
>> YES, MA'AM. MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. GARCIA IS GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE PROPERTIES THAT WE RECENTLY SOLD AND THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ACTUAL NEW OWNER.
AND THEY WILL GO OVER THAT AND WHERE WE STAND.
>> GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE FPRA BOARD.
I AM HERE TO PRESENT THE UPDATE FOR AVENUE JAND M.
THESE WERE TWO SURPLUS PROPERTIES, AWOORDED JUNE 8, AND SOLD ON NOVEMBER 30, 2021 WITH 18-MONTH DEED RESTRICTION. THE DEADLINE FOR THE IMPROVEMENT PER THE QUIT CLAIM DEED.
HERE'S A PART OF THE DEED WHICH DATES THAT THE GRANTEES DIDN'T DO THE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 18 MONTHS, THAT FPRA HAS THE RIGHT TO REENTER THE PROPERTY. PHOTO OF THE PROPERTY, NO - CONSTRUCTION AS STARTED, AND SO 1490 WAS SOLD FOR 6200 DOLLARS. THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD A 3 BEDROOM, 2 BATH HOME AND SAID THEY COULD COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION WITHIN 18-24 MONTHS.
>> THE OTHER PROPERTY THAT WAS SOLD 2002 AVENUE M, FOR 4800 DOLLARS. THEY WANTED TO BUILD A 3 BATHROOM, 2 BATH HOME. AND COMPLETE IT WITHIN 18-24 MONTHS. THIS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION AS OF MAY 31. WE ARE HERE TO BEFORE YOU TO GET YOUR DIRECTION AS TO HOW TO WE MOVE FORWARD SO WE CAN PROVIDE AN EXTENSION TO START THE CONSTRUCTION AS DIRECTED BY A SPECIFIC DATE, OR REENTER THE PROPERTY AND REVERSE THE PROPERTY TO THE FPRA AS PER THE DEED.
>> QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.
>> HAVE WE HAD ANY TALKING OR ANYTHING THAT SOMETHING IS GOING TO GET STARTED OR APPLICATION FOR PERMIT?
>> THEY SAID THEY PLAN ON BUILDING, BUT THE SURVEY IS
WHAT CAUSED THE TIME DELAY. >> SO, THEY HIRED A SURVEYOR THEMSELVES? NOT THE FPRA?
>> NO, THEY DID. >> AT THIS POINT, HAVE THEY SUBMITTED FOR A BUILDING PERMIT?
>> NO, NOT AS MAY 31. >> -- DID YOU WANT TO GO
FIRST? >> I WILL TEMPER MYSELF.
>> GO AHEAD. >> TO BE CLEAR, THEY HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT THEY HAVE ORDERED A SURVEY AND IT HAS
>> I ORDERED A SURVEY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND THE SURVEYORS WERE ONSITE AT 2 WEEKS.
I WON'T BUY INTO THE CONCEPT THE DELAY BECAUSE OF COVID-19 AND SOURCING SERVICES.
THIS IS PRECISELY THE PROBLEM WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A FEW MEETING AGO. WE NEED TO TIGHTENING THE SEQUENCES DOWN QUITE FIRMLY. SO, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS QUITE SIMPLE; THEY DIDN'T ABIDE BY THE AGREEMENT, 18 MONTHS, IT IS A YEAR AND A HALF TO SECURE PERMITS FOR OFF THE SHELF DESIGN, SURVEY WORK IS NOT DONE, I'M SUGGESTING TO THE FPRA THAT WE TAKE THE PROPERTY BACK AND START THE PROCESS AGAIN WITH NEW GUIDELINES AND BOXING THOSE PARAMETERS DOWN TIGHTLY AND NOT GIVING ATTITUDE. THAT IS MY PERSPECTIVE ON
>> I REMEMBER WHEN WE PUT SOME PERIMETERS AROUND THIS TO GET US WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE PUT IN THE PARAMETERS THAT WITHIN 18 MONTHS, THIS IS A CLAW-BACK.
WE ANTICIPATED SOME OF THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE HERE AT THIS POINT, WE DID THAT WITH THIS COMING BACK TO US. AND COMING BACK FULL TO US.
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WE HAD, AT THE TIME, THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME.I GUESS MY QUESTIONS, I REMEMBER THE PACKETS BEFORE US AND THEY GO BEFORE FHP PROCESS, OF WHICH FINANCIALS ARE APART OF THAT, I THOUGHT.
PLEASE HELP ME RECOLLECT THERE.
THE CAPACITY TO BUILD WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD. DID WE VET THAT OR HAVE IT
THEY PROVIDED A LETTER OF REFERENCE.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THE FINANCIAL MEANS WERE THERE BASED ON THAT PART OF THE APPLICATION AND WE PUT IT IN AS APART OF THE PROCESS WE FELT WHOEVER WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS THERE WERE RANKED BASED ON THESE SCORES, THESE SCORES COMPILED BASED ON FINANCIAL MEANS AND DESIGN AND ABILITY TO ACCEPT THE POINT OF WHICH WE SAID, 18 MONTHS, AND WE RECOMMENDED A BUILDING PERMIT TO BE PULLED WITHIN
18 MONTHS. >> FOR THE FOUNDATION.
>> CORRECT. >> IT IS CLEAR TO ME BASED ON WHAT WE STATED, WHAT WAS SIGNED OFF ON, BECAUSE I THINK WE SIGNED AND ATTEST TO THAT WHEN WE ACCEPTED THE ACTUAL AWARD, IF I'M NOT MIS
MISTAKEN. >> HAS THIS COMPANY HAD
BUSINESS WITH US BEFORE? >> IT CAME BEFORE I WAS
HERE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF PRESENTLY
COMMISSIONER GAINS? >> JUST CURIOUS, I DON'T REMEMBER READING IT AND MAYBE I CAN'T REMEMBER.
DO YOU KNOW WHEN THEY REQUESTED A SURVEY AND WHEN THE SURVEY WAS DONE? I'M CURIOUS.
>> NO, I DO NOT. THE DEVELOPER IS HERE IF YOU WANT HER TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> I'M FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER BROADRICK.
I'M FAMILIAR WITH SURVEYS AND IF WE HAD A DATE AND KNOW THE REASON. I'M FINE, THANK YOU.
OTHER DISCUSSION? >> MA'AM, MAYOR?
>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? >> YOU CAN.
>> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR ME, SO, SINCE THE DEVELOPER IS HERE, WOULDN'T IT BE PROPER FOR THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP AND SAY ANYTHING OR --
>> IF THE COMMISSION -- IF THAT IS YOUR WILL, WE WILL
INVITE THEM UP. >> YOU SAY THEY ARE HERE, SO, THEY CAN TELL US WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY.
>> ANY OBJECTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS?
>> PLEASE COME FORWARD IF YOU ARE HERE.
STATE YOUR NAME. >> PAM -- WITH PROGRESS PROPERTIES. 2415 LAKE LANE.
>> SO, CAN YOU EXPLAIN, YOU HAVE HEARD OUR DISCUSSION.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE US ANY INFORMATION?
DURING THE TIME THAT THE BID WAS PROPOSED, IT WAS UNDER IN CIRCUMSTANCES OR UNDER THE IMPRESSION OF A NORMAL SCHEDULE. AND DURING THAT TIME IT WAS DURING COVID-19. AND IN JANUARY, 2022, WE HAD WITH A SURVEY AND THE BACKLOG AND THE TRESSES BEING ORDERED AND THAT WAS DELAYED.
WHAT I DECIDED TO DO WAS TO MOVE ON TO OTHER PROJECTS.
SINCE, YOU KNOW, TO FAST APPROACH THAT PROCESS INSTEAD OF JUST WAITING FOR THE SURVEY TO COMMENCE.
I HAD TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE AREA INTO THE PALM BEACHES TO HAVE THE SURVEY COMPLETED.
SO, IN 2022, WE COMPLETED 3 REHAB PROJECTS THAT DIDN'T REQU KNOW, TRESSES THAT REQUIRED IN NEW BUILDS TO MOVE ALONG
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AND THEN COME BACK TO THE PROJECT AT HAND.IN DOING SO IN APRIL, WE ORDERED THE SURVEY AND THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND IT WAS COMPLETED IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.
I DID GO BY A 1 TRESSES TO FIND OUT ONCE THE TRUSSES ARE ORDERED FOR THE PROPERTY, WHAT THAT TIMELINE WOULD BE. AND THEY SAID IT DEPENDS ON THE NUMBERS OF TRUSSES THE SIZES AND THINGS OF THAT IOF THAT NATURE.
AS WE STAND TODAY, WE HAVE A SURVEY AND WAITING ON PLANS, DOING THAT, THE LAST YEAR OF 2022, THE DESIGNERS WERE BACKLOGGED WITH HAVING PLANS DRAWN TO REPRESENT THE PROPERTY. NOW WHICH WE SUBMITTED THE BASIC OFF THE SHELF TYPE OF AND DRAWINGS AND THE UTILITY LINES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE HAD TO HAVE IT DONE TO MEET THAT NEED. RIGHT NOW WE ARE WAITING ON
THOSE PLANS. >> ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. EIGHT TEEN MONTHS IN THE PROCESS. IF THE CITY IS GOING TO REVERT BACK TO CITY INVENTORY AND BID THE PROCESS AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE TIMELINE.
THE QUESTION IS SPECIFIC IN LIGHT OF THAT ALTERNATIVE, AGAINST THE ALTERNATIVE YOU ARE IN.
THE SURVEY IS COMPLETE? >> YES.
>> AND IT IS REALISTIC TO SAY THAT YOU CAN BE INTO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR PLANNING TO SUBMIT FOR PERMITTING WITHIN THE NEXT 60 DAYS?
>> YES, FOR ONE OR BOTH OF THEM.
HOWEVER, NOT AT THE SAME TIME IN TERMS OF BUILDING BOTH OF THE PROPERTIES AT THE SAME TIME.
>> LET ME REPHRASE THAT. YOU PURCHASED BOTH PROPERTIES AND THE TIMEFRAME IS THE BOTH.
THE RUN ON THAT IS 6 MONTHS TO GET INTO THE GROUND.
>> YES. >> REALISTICALLY, CAN YOU APPLY FOR 60 DAYS, IS IF NOT, DON'T SAY YES BECAUSE YOU THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER I WANT.
WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, TELL ME SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR MIND WHAT IS THE REALISTIC TIMELINE AS FAR AS A DROP-DEAD, DEADLINE FOR PERMITTING, AND GETTING INTO
THE ROUND. >> WE ARE IN JUNE, 60-DAY PERIOD, SUBMITTING THE PERMITTING, MAYBE ABOUT 90, BECAUSE THE PLANS ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
HOWEVER, IF I NEED 30 DAYS I WILL APPLY.
I WOULD SAY 90 DAYS TO APPLY FOR THE PERMITTING.
>> FOR BOTH. >> THEY ARE BOTH RUNNING ON
I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS FOR BOTH.
>> YES, FOR BOTH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
>> WITH THE DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, IN ADDITION TO THE DESIGN, HAVE YOU TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THE TRUSS ADMI S ARE GOING TO TAKE? THEY TAKE DEPOSITS, WHAT DOES THAT DO?
>> THE 90 DAYS IF I'M UNDERSTANDING FOR THE PLANS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THERE'S USUALLY AN
APPLICATION. >> AND TRUSS DESIGN IN ADDITION TO THAT COMES FROM THE TRUSS MANUFACTURER AND YOU HIRE ANOTHER GROUP. THAT ADDS MORE TIME AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO SAY, HEY, I CAN GIVE YOU THE PERMIT WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR TRUSS PLANS.
IT PROLONGS THE PROCESS. >> DELAYS IT.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, SHOULD THAT COME INTO BEING, THAT THAT TIME BE ALLOTTED FOR THAT IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL
TIME FOR THE TRUSSES. >> I THINK THAT'S THE CHALLENGE WE ARE HAVING AT THIS POINT.
THE ADDITIONAL TIME THAT IS TACKLED ON WITH EVERY STEP.
THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING THAT UP HERE.
AND UNDERSTANDING THAT. >> RIGHT.
I REACHED OUT TO A 1 TRUSS, AND MR. SPIVEYWEST WILL BE
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GETTING BACK WITH ME. IT IS HARD TO GAUGE.>> THEY CAN'T DESIGN THE ROOF WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT IS
UNDER THE ROOF. >> IF YOU ARE GOING -- ITEMS
>> OTHER QUESTIONS? OTHER COMMENTS?
>> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRUSS.
MY CONCERN GOES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE, THAT WAS TO HAVE A FOUNDATION LAID AT A MINIMUM? IS THAT CORRECT, MS. GARCIA? WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN SUBMITTED, A DRAWING. BEFORE I GET TO THE TRUSS I NEED TO FULFILL THAT YOU HAVE STATED THAT THEY ARE
>> SO, I GUESS MY CONCERN IS WHERE ARE WE AT? I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS PLAN IS AT.
WE ARE VERY SPECIFIC, WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD BEFORE. THAT'S WHY WE PUT THIS IN PLACE TO GET INVENTORY OUT IN THE MARKET TO GET RID OF THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, WE PUT TEETH TO THIS.
AND RIGHT NOW, I CAN'T EVEN GET THE TRUSS, THE TRUSS, NOT TRUST, BUT TRUSS, T- T-R- T-R-U-S-S. RIGHT.
>> YOU HAVE TO HAVE PLANS IN ORDER TO GET A FOUNDATION, YOU HAVE TO HAVE PLANS. THAT IS THE BEST PART TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND IF I'M GOING TO SPENT THIS.
I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CAPACITY TO GET THIS DONE, IN WRITING, WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
WE ARE BEYOND THE 18 MONTHS. AND TO LAY A FOUNDATION WOULD HAVE AT LEAST PUT A GOOD FAITH EFFORT THAT WE HAVE MET THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE SET.
THAT'S WHERE I AM AT. JUST FOLLOWING THE ORDER OF WHICH WE HAVE ASKED YOU TO DO.
>> YES. >> IS THIS YOUR FAMILY
>> OKAY. ARE THEY BUILDING OTHER THINGS? ARE THEY BUSY DOING THINGS?
>> ACTUALLY, THIS IS THE FIRST BUILD.
HOWEVER, WE HAVE RENOVATED EXISTING PROPERTIES THAT WERE EMPTY AND RENOVATED THOSE AND SOLD THOSE BACK TO THE MARKET. WE HAVE DONE 3 IN FORT
MAJOR RENOVATIONS? >> MAJOR RENOVATIONS.
MAJOR RENOVATIONS, TRANSFORMATIONS.
WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE THAT IS A TRI- TRI-PLEX.
TO BUILD FROM THE GROUND IS THE FIRST AS SUCH.
>> THE PROBLEM WE ARE HAVING, WE CAME UP TO GET THE PROPERTIES BACK ON THE TAX ROLL.
THAT'S WHY WE BUILD DEADLINES WE DIDN'T WANT THIS TO BE GOING ON FOREVE AND EVER AND EVER.
I THINK THE PEOPLE UP HERE WHO ARE IN THIS BUSINESS KNOW A LOT MORE ABOUT BUILDING, I CAN HEAR THEM ASKING YOU QUESTIONS THAT IF WE GAVE AN EXTENSION, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ONE AND IT WILL TAKE A LONG TIME AND ANOTHER ONE. BUT, WE, WE REALLY DON'T WANT THE PROPERTY BACK. WE WANT THE PROPERTY TO BE BUILT ON AND WE WANT SOMEONE LIVING IN IT AND WE WANT PEOPLE LIVING IN IT AND PEOPLE LIVING IN AND NO
>> WERE YOU IN TOUCH WITH OUR STAFF THAT YOU WERE HAVING TROUBLE OR WHERE YOU WERE?
>> NO. I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. AND YOU KNOW, THE EXTENSION IS GRANTED MOVING FORWARD, I WILL BE MORE IN CONTACT AND I WAS WAITING UPON THE ONCE THE PLANS ARE COMPLETED AND SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION FOR PERMIT TO START MAKING THE VARIOUS MEETINGS HERE TO GIVE UPDATES.
BECAUSE -- >> WE DON'T NEED AN UPDATE.
YOU NEED TO BE IN TOUCH WITH THE STAFF BECAUSE THIS IS A NEW PROCESS FOR US, TOO, BUT OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO GET A
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HOUSE BUILT QUICKLY. AFFORDABLE HOUSING.AND GOOD HOUSING. SO, GENTLEMAN?
ANYONE ELSE? >> JUST A SUGGESTION.
>> PLEASE -- >> I WANT TO ADD TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE PROCESS. AND I GET INTO THE LANGUAGE OF WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING AND BUILDING CODES AND REGULATIONS, THERE'S NO LEEWAY.
TODAY WE ARE BOUNCING OFF OF THE IDEA OF LATITUDE.
AND THE EXAMPLE I WANT TO USE IS AN INSPECTION PROCESS. SO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YOU COME IN AND YOU DON'T HAVE AN INSPECTION WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, YOU HAVE TO REPLY FOR A NEW PERMIT. I USE THAT AS A GUIDE AND THE TEST, LITMUS TEST AT ALL POINTS FOR CONTRACTS AND EVALUATIONS AND AGREEMENTS, BECAUSE THOSE DEADLINES, THEY MEAN SOMETHING. IT MEANS SOMETHING TO THE ECONOMICS, AND TO THE MECHANICS TO THE REBAR, TO THE FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE YOU KNOW POTENTIAL ILL EFFECTS AS THEY DRAW OUT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THIS BECAUSE THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE BEEN PROACTIVE IN PURSUING AND REDEVELOPING AS A REDEVELOPING AGENCY, MY CHALLENGE IS THAT WE HAVE A HICCUP IN THE SYSTEM, WE ARE TRYING TO GET PARCELS DEVELOPED AND AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID, GET THEM ON THE TAX ROLL, AND GIVE FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR HOMES AND THEY ARE
LOOKING FOR THEM. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> I WANTED TO SHARE THAT AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT THE PR METERS AND GUIDE PARAMETERS AND GUIDELINES TO SHARE THAT
WITH YOU. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
>> CAN YOU SPECIFICALLY HELP ME OR MAYBE THE ATTORNEY HERE WITH THE ACTUAL LANGUAGE OF, SO TO CLAW THIS BACK, IS THE TERM WE USE IS TO CLAW BACK TO THE CITY.
WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE FUNDS, WHATEVER, TRANSFER, ETC., THAT APART OF THIS PROCESS? CAN YOU GIVE ME LINE OF
SIGHT TO THAT, PLEASE. >> REFER TO THE ATTORNEY.
>> THE ACTUAL DEED DOES NOT SPECIFY THAT THE MONEYS GET
RETURNED TO THE PURCHASER. >> OKAY.
>> IF YOU WERE TO GRANT AN EXTENSION, THE PURCHASER WOULD HAVE EVERY INCENTIVE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT OR RISK LOSING THE FUNDS. AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THE PROPERTY WAS SOLD SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW MARKET VALUE WITH THE IDEA THAT IT WOULD SPARK REDEVELOPMENT.
I WILL THROW THAT OUT THERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
>> I GUESS, BOARD, MA'AM MAYOR.
WE SET PRECEDENCE ON WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, AND THEN WE MOVE IN ANOTHER DIRECTION, WE SET A DIFFERENT PRECEDENCE. IT IS A TOUGH DECISION.
I'M LOOKING AT THE BIGGER PICTURE, WE HAD ASKED FOR AN UPDATE, I KNOW I DID, TO EVALUATE, IT IS NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY, OTHER PROPERTIES TOO, THAT WE MOVED THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND GET AN UPDATE BEFORE WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. RIGHT? AND WE ARE HERE TODAY AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS.
YOU KNOW, I'M SITTING HERE AND UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHEN YOU ARE DOING TO DO, NEED TO DO FOR THE COMMUNITY. BUT, THIS CAUSES A CASCADE OF A LOT OF OTHER TRIGGERS THAT ARE WATCHING THIS.
I'M -- YOU KNOW, I'M SADDENED ABOUT THIS.
WE HAVE SET A PRECEDENT. YOU KNOW, TO BE BEYOND EXTENSION OF THIS RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.
THAT'S WHERE I AM STANDING ON THIS.
>> DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?
FIRST, I AGREE WITH WHAT IS SAID HERE.
COMMISSIONER HAD A COMPELLING STATEMENT THAT WE
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ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE THE HOUSING INVENTORY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THE CRITICAL ISSUE AND TO SELL THE LOTS AT UNDER MARKET VALUE TO CREATE THAT TYPE OF MOMENTUM. AND I AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT IN TOTALITY. THE REVERSION OF THIS BACK TO THE CITY STARTS THE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN.THAT'S IS REALISTICALLY, A SEVERAL MONTH PROCESS.
SO, I ALSO INCLINED TO SUGGEST THAT LOCALLY OWNED, LOCALLY BUILT AND LOCALLY EMPLOYED PEOPLE WILL BE -- SMALL SCALE, I UNDERSTAND. IT IS GOOD QUALITY WORK THAT IS PARLAYED INTO THE ECONOMIC.
IT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.
IT MAY BE OKAY TO GRANT A SHORT-TERM EXTENSION, WITH SPECIFIC TRIGGERS. TWO-FOLD, ONE; THAT THE DEVELOPERS CAN BE WITHIN 90 DAYS.
IF IT IS NOT, REVERSION AUTOMATICALLY TAKES PLACE.
I WILL THROW THAT OVER THE MRS. EARLY.
AND TWO, IF PERMITTING IS COMPLETED WITHIN 90 DAYS AND I'M NOT PUTTING THE TIMELINE, I'M ASKING YOU TO PUT THE TIMELINE ON THIS, AND YOU SECURE YOUR PERMIT WITHIN 90 DAYS, AND SHE COMES WE WILL BE BACK AFTER THIS AND SAYS IT IS SECURE. WHAT IS THE TIMELINE TO GET INTO THE GROUND? TO ADDRESS THE FOUNDATION, TRUSS PLANS, ETC., ETC., YOU CAN STILL TURN DIRT, YOU CAN STILL POUR CONCRETE. WHAT IS, IN YOUR MIND, A REALISTIC TIMELINE TO GET SHOVELS IN THE GROUND?
>> I WOULD SAY AN ADDITION, ON TOP OF THE 90 DAYS WITHIN 60 DAYS MORE ON THE LESSER OF THE 60 DAYS SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE CONTRACTOR FOR THE YOU KNOW, POURING THE CONCRETE AND WE HAVE THE JOURNEYMEN AS WELL. AN ADDITIONAL 45-60 DAYS
WITH POURING THE CONCRETE. >> I WILL SUGGEST, I AM USING YOUR TIMELINE. SO, 60 DAYS WE HAVE ACTIVITY ON THE SITE. 150 DAYS MAXIMUM.
IF THE BOARD IS WILLING TO GO WITH THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO, HOW WOULD THAT BE MANAGED?
>> WELL -- >> I GUESS, LET ME REPHRASE THAT. MY QUESTION, IF THE AGREEMENTS WERE REACHED AND IT IS AUTOMATIC, OR DOES IT COME BACK TO THE BOARD IF THE REVERSION IS TO COME BACK -- ACTIVITIES IS NOT TAKING PLACE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD NEEDS DEAL WITH AGAIN OR IT IS AUTOMATIC, OKAY, WE ALL AGREED TO THIS AND IT IS WHAT IT IS AND IT DIDN'T COME TO PASS.
>> FOR PURPOSES OF KEEPING A CLEAR RECORD AND MAKING SURE THAT THE FPRA BOARD ADVICE S -- ADVISES AND THAT WHATEVER MOTION IS CARRIED WHAT YOUR ULTIMATE DEADLINE WAS. SO --
>> YOU WOULD MAKE THOSE STIPULATIONS IN THE MOTION?
>> YES, YES MA'AM, MAYOR. >> YOU ARE MONITORING THE 90-DAY MARK. YOU ARE BACK IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD, HERE'S WHERE WE STAND CURRENTLY, THAT IT IS FRESH AND NOT WAITING 150 DAYS TO THE END CULMINATION.
I AM SUGGESTING TWO TRIGGER POINTS.
THAT IS RIGHT BY THE DEVELOPER'S OWN TIMELINE.
THAT'S WHAT I AM GOING WITH. INSTEAD OF BRINGING IT BACK, STARTING THE PROCESS OVER, THE END GOAL IS TO GET VERTICAL. AND TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IN 150 DAYS IS MUCH BETTER THAN GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS AGAIN. I'M NOT GIVING ANYONE A HALL PASS. THE END GOAL IS TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING ON THESE LOTS AND GET THE ACTIVITIES AND THAT'S THE FASTEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.
FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, THAT IS THE BEST.
>> IF WE ARE COMPLETELY WRONG, THIS IS IT.
>> YES. >> I MEAN, I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION TODAY.
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IF WE GRANT AN EXTENSION, AND IT IS NOT ANY OF IT ISNOT MET, IT IS -- >> IT COMES BACK TO THE PRIOR DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO TIGHTEN THIS UP.
180 DAYS TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT.
IT IS NOT THE MOST LOGICALLY PROGRESSION TO ACCOMPLISH OUR GOALS. THE ORIGINAL PARAMETERS ARE IN PLACE, CAN WE WORK WITH THIS TO GET SOMETHING OUT OF THE GROUND. I'M LOOKING AT IT PRAGMATICALLY. WE SHOULD CLAW IT BACK, BUT IT IS TRULY IN THE BEST INTEREST.
COMMISSIONER GAINS? >> I HAVE SAID HERE AND LISTENED TO EVERYTHING AND TRIED TO BE QUIET.
WE HAVE TO START -- I'M TORN HERE.
I KNOW THE END GAME OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS PROGRAM. BUT IF WE PUT STUFF IN PLACE, PUT DATES AND TIMES IN PLACE, WE HAVE GOT TO STICK TO WHAT WE WRITE. EVERY TIME WE COME BACK, OR FACED WITH SOMETHING, WE ARE ALWAYS READY TO NOT LOOK AT WHAT WE PUT ON PIECES OF PAPER.
I PERSONALLY KNOW HER. I AM SITTING BACK AND TORN ABOUT THIS, I KNOW WHAT SHE IS TRYING TO DO TO GIVE A NEED THAT IS FORT PIERCE NEEDS.
HOWEVER, I SIT NEXT, I SIT BETWEEN TWO ENGINEERS, I RELY ON THEIR EXPERTISE OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO AS FAR AS BUILDING, AS FAR AS TRUST AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, AND SAID A FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A LONG WAY FROM THAT.
I AM SITTING HERE AND YOU HAVE ASKED HER SEVERAL QUESTIONS, I'M THINKING, THIS IS MY TWO CENTS.
BEFORE WE GRANT ANY TYPE OF AN EXTENSION, GIVE THIS DEVELOPER -- WHEN IS OUR NEXT MEETING? 30 DAYS FROM TODAY? THIRTY DAYS FROM TODAY? GIVE HER AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO GET WHATEVER SHE NEEDS TO GET, TO SHOW TO SATISFY THE COMMISSIONER, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE IN PLACE, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE IN PLACE, THE MAYOR, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE IN PLACE.
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THIS IS WHAT I HAVE, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE I TALKED TO, THESE ARE THE TIMELINES THAT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN, AND MYSELF, AND AT THAT POINT, BASED ON WHAT SHE SAYS AT THIS TIME, IT IS NOT ESTIMATES THAT SHE IS GOING TO GIVE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE HER LIVE UP TO, SHE IS NOT AN ENGINEER, NOT A CONSTRUCTION PERSON. IF WE ARE GOING TO GIVE AN EXTENSION, I WOULD RATHER HAVE AN EXTENSION COME BACK 30 DAYS, THE COMMISSIONER FRIEND, ENGINEERING FRIEND THAT CAN UNDERSTAND AND ASK A THOUSAND QUESTIONS.
AND MY FRIEND TO THE END DOWN THERE, CAN SEE IT, ASK QUESTIONS. SHE WILL HAVE TIME TO TALK TO OUR STAFF. TO SAY, HEY, OKAY, THIS IS FINE. BUT -- YOU KNOW WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR AND THAT WAY IT GIVES ALL OF US A BETTER OPPOR OPPORTUNITY.
IT IS 30 DAYS IN THE BIG SCREEN OF THINGS.
IT IS GOING TO TAKE 90 DAYS. IT IS GOING TO TAKE -- SHE COMES BACK AND TALKS ABOUT WHAT SHE HAS AND A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING SHE CAN DO.
AND AT THIS POINT, WE MAKE THE DECISION IF WE ARE GOING TO UPHOLD WHAT WE WROTE OR GRANT AN EXTENSION.
THAT'S WHERE I'M FEELING RIGHT NOW AND I THINK WE WILL BE IN A BETTER DECISION TO BALANCE OUR DECISION BECAUSE WHATEVER WE DO TODAY, SHE IS NOT THE LAST DEVELOPER COME IN FRONT OF US THAT HAS NOT DONE SOMETHING IN OUR TIMEFRAME. WHATEVER WE DECIDE TO DO.
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WE ARE GOING TO DO THE SAME AS EVERYONE WHO COMES IN FRONT OF. IF WE ARE GOING TO CLAW BACK TODAY, IF THAT'S THE TERM WE ARE USING, ANYONE ELSE THAT COMES IN FRONT OF US, AND THIS IS NOT, IT IS HAS NOT DONE WHAT WE SAID, NOT EVEN A DISCUSSION, IF IT IS NOT DONE, CLAW IT BACK. IF WE ARE TRYING TO SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, SAY GIVE HER 30 DAYS, COME BACK, AND PRESENT TO US AGAIN, AND AT THAT TIME, WE HAVE A BETTER DECISION AND MAKE THE DECISION WHERE I STAND TODAY.>> I LIKE YOUR IDEA BETTER THAN MINE.
>> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SAY?
>> YES. BEFORE HE CAME BACK WITH A GOOD IDEA, I WILL ADD TO YOUR IDEA, IS THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT, THE BALANCE OF EVERYTHING THAT IS COMING FORTH IN THAT I'M GOING TO EXPECT, AND I THINK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WILL EXPECT, THE TIMELINE, WHERE YOU HAVE MET WITH THE BUILDING DIDEPARTMENT AND THEY WILL TELL YOU WHAT IT TAKES FOR THE BUILDING PROCESS. THAT IS A DYNAMIC DEPARTMENT, SOME DAYS THEY ARE BACKLOGGED AND SOME DAYS ARE NOT. I'M NOT SURE I'M IN FAVOR,
BUT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. >> MY OTHER QUESTION TO STAFF, THE ENTIRE PROCESS, EARLIER WE ARE TALKING TO 90 DAYS TO GET IN PERMITS AND IN ORDER TO ADVERTISE, AND HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN ADVERTISING FOR THOSE SUR SURPLUS PROPERTIES?
>> ONCE WE GET THE BID OUT 30 DAYS, TO PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AND SUBMITALES IT WOULD BE 90 DAYS MAYBE.
>> IT IS 30 DAYS ON THE STREET, COMES BACK, PURCHASING DOES THEIR REVIEW, MAKES A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, OR CONVERSATION, AND THEN YOU PREPARE AN AGENDA ITEM AND IT COMES TO THIS BOARD?
>> CORRECT. >> IT IS ABOUT 90 DAYS.
THE WHOLE PROCESS. >> THAT SEEMS RIGHT.
IT IS A LONG PROCESS. >> IT GOES TO CRA BOARD.
BEFORE IT GOES TO YOU. >> THE ADVISORY BOARD ALSO?
>> YES. >> THAT'S WITHOUT SAYING,
RIGHT? >> I THINK IN YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER GAINS, IT IS SUPPORTABLE.
BUT, AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THIS POSITION WITHOUT A LINE OF SIGHT. AGAIN, I'M ASKING STAFF AND I WOULD LIKE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DATE ON THIS PROCESS AS FAR AS WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY OUT THERE, THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AWARDED. I HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND GET MY HEAD AROUND THIS. I THINK WE ALL SHOULD.
BECAUSE IF SO IRONIC. I REMEMBER REQUESTING FOR THIS TWO MEETINGS AGO. SOMETHING IN MY MIND.
I RIDE BY THESE PROPERTIES ALL OF THE TIME.
THEY ARE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I LOOK AT THEM.
I KNOW WE SOLD THAT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING HAPPENING.
IT IS CONCERNING. SO, I'M IN FAVOR OF CLAW BACK TODAY. I AM.
I WILL DEFER TO COMMISSIONER GAINS ON THIS CASE.
I WILL LOOK AT 30 DAYS. IT IS A TIGHT TIMELINE.
WE ARE SITTING HERE IN 30 DAYS AND AT THIS POINT, IF TH INFORMATION IS NOT THERE, I THINK WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE
WHOLE PROCESS. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLE HEARTEDLY.
I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE.
I WILL FEEL BETTER IF IN 30 DAYS SHE CAN ANSWER ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS AND SHOW US WHERE SHE IS GOING.
BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAY, IF SHE COMES BACK IN 30 DAYS AND ALL OF THE ANSWERS ARE ANSWERED ERR WE KNOW 30 DAYS AHEAD OF THE 90 DAYS WE WILL HAVE TO TRY TO START ALL OVER AGAIN AND LIKE COMMISSIONER SAID, LOCAL CONSTRUCTION, LOOKING AT WORK DONE AND LOCAL WORK.
IF SHE DOESN'T COME BACK IN 30 DAYS, IT IS AN EASIER SALE FOR ME. YOU SAID IT EARLIER, SITTING
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A PRECEDENT. IF SHE COMES BEFORE US, THE PRECEDENT IS 30 DAYS TO GET WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO GET.DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NOT 6 MONTHS.
>> YOU DID ASK FOR THIS. WHAT WE NEED, AND I WILL ASK STAFF THIS, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS A LIST, AS WE CALL IT IN MY LINE OF WORK, AND MADAM ATTORNEY, YOU UNDERSTAND, THESE DUE DATES AND IF WE HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE ABOUT TO BE IN FRONT OF US LIKE THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOU KNOW, 90, 120 DAYS OUT AND THE REASON BEING, WE CAN BRING THAT PERSON IN AND SAY, YOUR CLOCK IS TICKING, IT IS 120 DAYS TODAY.
YOU HAVE 119 DAYS TO DO WHATEVER.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ASKING.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> I KNOW IT IS MY WORK.
IF WE CAN THAT, WE CAN GET RID OF THE HEARING, NOT A HEARING, LET ME TAKE THAT OFF OF THE RECORD, A DISCUSSION AND PUTTING EVERYBODY IN A SITUATION.
NOTHING YOU DID WRONG. I CAN SEE IT AND I CAN BRING THE PEOPLE AHEAD, ASK THE TEAM TO GET A STATEMENT AND WE WILL BE BETTER. THE 30 DAYS, IT IS NOT WHAT ALL OF US WANT, WE WANT TO STICK BY WHAT WE ARE DOING.
OUT OF FAIRNESS, GIVE HER 30 DAYS.
IF SHE DOESN'T COME BACK IN 30 DAYS, WE WILL PUT IT BACK
OUT AND GOOD FROM THERE. >> YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I WILL SAY THIS TO YOU, WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN AT A MEETING THAT I DID NOT ATTEND. YOU WILL HAVE IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ALSO WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON DEVELOPING A TEMPLATE FOR THE SELL. THIS IS THE TIMELINE, IF THE CONSTRUCTION COULD NOT -- WITHOUT A BUILDING PERMIT.
THERE IS NO, DID YOU DO A SURVEY, NONE OF THIS.
IT IS UP TO YOU ALL TO EXTENT THAT AND WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ABIDE BY YOUR DECISION.
>> I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT. I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR, THEY HAVE STATED A TIMELINE AND WITHIN THE 30 DAYS THERE ARE ACTIONS YOU CAN TAKE TO MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD.
WHAT I HEARD TOO IS GOING TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND GETTING ACCESS TO THE BUILDING PERMIT AND GET IT STARTED. I WILL ACCEPT THAT.
I AM LOOKING FOR ACTIONS YOU HAVE TAKEN WITHIN THE 30-DAY WINDOW THAT YOU CAN DOCUMENT TO HELP ME COME ALONG WITH THIS PROCESS PASSED THE 30 DAYS.
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION FOR THE 30-DAY PERIOD. SO ARE YOU LOOKING FOR
TIMELINE AS TO WHAT THE -- >> I THINK WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK FOR HERE.
>> AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR IS INVESTMENT OF MONEY AND TIME FOR YOU. THAT SHOULD BE AN INCENTIVE FOR YOU TO MEET THE DATE AND COND
INDEED. >> I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO COME UP WITH WHAT YOU NEED THE 30 DAYS?
>> IT IS TOUGH CALL. YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, THE 30-DAY WINDOW IN THE PERFECT WORLD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COMPLEED PLANS PREPARED AND IF NOT, WHY.
AND WHERE DO YOU STAND IN THAT PROCESS, IF IT PARTIAL? DO WE HAVE CONTRACTORS AND PLANS? I WANT A FULL LITANY OF WHERE IT STANDS IN THE DEVELOP PROCESS, SOFT COSTS AND ALL OF THAT GENERATED WITH ALL OF THAT. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO
ARTICULATE THAT CANDIDLY. >> HE KNOWS THE RABBIT HOLE I'M GOING DOWN. THAT'S THE TYPE OF STATUS.
I WANT TO SEE THE NUANCES OF THAT.
>> AS I SAID, I AM GOING TO DEFER TO -- I DON'T KNOW.
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THAT'S WHY I'M NOT ASHAMED TO SAY I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.I AM NOT BUILDING A HOUSE. I CAN REPRESENT SOMEONE TRYING TO BUILD ONE. I'M TRYING TO GIVE HER A CHANCE TO SAVE THIS DEAL. I'M RELYING ON MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO ARE ENGINEERS SAYING THIS IS WHAT -- OR MADAM ATTORNEY, THIS IS WHAT IT SHOULD BE DONE AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID, THE PROCESS STARTED, THE NAMES, WHATEVER. I AM RELYING ON THE EXPERTISE OF THE COMMISSION AND MADAM ATTORNEY.
>> YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY SOMETHING.
>> WHAT IS BEING DISCUSSED IS TABLING THE MATTER FOR 30 DAYS AS TO BOTH PROPERTIES. I THINK THE MOTION COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS THAT. IN THAT NEXT 30 DAYS, I THINK IT IS 100 PERCENT ON THE PURCHASER AND DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE AS MUCH IS DONE AND THAT MEANS MEETING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IF THAT MEANS CONTACTING THE MEMBERS OF THE FPRA ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, IT WOULD BE INCUMBENT ON TO DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
>> WE NEED A REPORT OF WHAT IS DONE AND WHAT IS
>> I THINK THE MOTION COULD BE A MOTIONTO TABLE.
OF COURSE, IT IS UP TO THE BOARD.
>> MY SUGGESTION THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I
AGREE. >> LITMUS TEST IS THE INFORMATION THAT COMES BACK IN 30 DAYS.
IT IS CRITICAL. THIS IS NOT SMOKE MIRRORS AND THIS IS TANGIBLE FACT-DRIVEN, NOT HYPOTHETICALS; IT IS CONCRETE WORK THAT IS UNDERWAY. I AM COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SUGGESTION KNOWING WE WILL DIGEST THE INFORMATION WITHIN 30 DAYS. I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
>> GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?
>> I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT. AND I TELL YOU WHY, WHATEVER EVIDENCE IS PRESENTED, WE WILL HAVE THE EXACT SAME
CONVERSATION. >> UNLESS SHE HAS A PERMIT
IN 30 DAYS. >> SHE IS NOT GOING TO HAVE
A PERMIT IN 30 DAYS. >> WE HAVE EXPERTS -- NO
DISRESPECT. >> I SEE WHERE YOU ARE GOING
WITH IT. >> THE CHALLENGE WITH THE PROCESS THAT WE SHOULD BE AT A BUILDING PERMIT STATUS AS OF TODAY. IF WE CAN'T ACHIEVE IT IN ANOTHER 30 DAYS, IT WILL PING PONG BALL BACK TO THE 190 DAYS. I CAN SEE IT.
IT IS GOING TO COME BACK TO US IN THE SAME CONVERSATION.
THAT'S WHERE I STAND. >> DO YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION?
>> I DON'T. THAT'S WHY I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE PROCESS WHAT IS THE DETAILS THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR CONCRETE, THERE'S A PUN IN THERE, HOW CONCRETE
>> IF YOU GET INTO SPECIFICS, THEY WILL REQUIRE THE SPECIFICS, BUT THE SPECIFICS ARE IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE AND IT IS IN THE SCREEN.
>> HE IS ANXIOUS TO TALK. >> I'M NOT ANXIOUS.
>> THIS IS MY RECOMMENDATION TO PROVIDE ON EXTENSION FOR THE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION.
DID YOU SUBMIT A SURVEY, CONTRACTOR LINED UP? THOSE ARE DETAILS WE SHOULDN'T CONCERN OURSELVES WITH. THE FPRA SOLD THIS PROPERTY WITH ONE CAVEAT, THAT YOU DO TO CONSTRUCTION, WE EXTEND OR WE REENTER AND TAKE THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET TOO SPECIFIC.
AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW, I WOULD RECOMMEND A SIMPLE EXTENSION OF THE COMMENCEMENT OF
>> AND SO, GENTLEMAN, WHAT KIND OF TIME WOULD THAT
EXTENSION BE IN YOUR MIND? >> WELL, THE DEVELOPERS INDICATED REALISTICALLY, 130 DAYS.
I UNDERSTAND NICK'S POSITION THAT THIS IS CLEAN.
YOU DON'T GET INTO THE ABSTRACT THAT THE ENGINEER
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DID THIS OR THAT. I GET THAT.>> EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT, EVERY DEVELOPER HAS A DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND CONTRACTOR AND AVAILABILITY OF EQUIPMENT, LABOR. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO ALL OF THAT, PLEASE PROCEED.
>> WE DO THAT EVERY DAY. RIGHT.
>> I THINK WE KEEP THIS CLEAN AND SIMPLE.
THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION. >> THAT PUTS US AT THE 150 DAY MARK. YOU ARE SETTING IT UP FOR FAILURE. THE DEVELOPER IS SAYING 150 DAYS. THAT IS REALISTIC.
AND THE THOUGHT IS VALID, THE 150-DAY OR THE CLAW BACK NOW. THAT'S THE FENCE POST YOU
ARE SITTING ON NOW. >> EITHER WE EXTENT OR DON'T EXTENT. OR 150 DAYS?
>> IS ANYONE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> I WILL TAKE A STAB AT IT. I'M NOT GOING TO BE A POPULAR, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO EXTENT THE TIME FOR CONSTRUCTION TO COMMENCE BY 150 DAYS FROM TODAY.
>> IS THERE A SECOND? >> MAY I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION? BOTH PROPERTIES?
>> BOTH. >> IS THERE A SECOND?
>> COMMISSIONER, BOARD MEMBER, YOU STATED 150 DAYS FROM TODAY OR FROM THE EXPIRATION DATE?
>> WHAT IS THE EXPIRATION DATE?
>> MAY 30. >> I DON'T THINK I HAVE A SECOND. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING
>> THERE IS A QUESTION -- >> SURE, SURE, SURE.
>> BUT IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO DIE FOR A LACK OF A
SECOND. >> I MAY MAKE A SECOND.
>> WHAT CAN YOU DO IS SECOND WITH THE QUESTION.
>> ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME, YOU ARE SAYING 150 DAYS, BUT SHE IS HERE TODAY AND YOU ARE SAYING MAY 30, RIGHT?
>> OR TODAY. I'M GOOD WITH TODAY.
>> THAT'S 150 DAYS. WHAT'S TODAY, THE 13?
>> I WILL MAKE IT AS OF TODAY.
CLEARLY, THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION WAS 90 DAYS, 60 DAYS, AND IF THERE IS NOT CONCRETE BEING POURED OVER THERE AT THE TIME, IT IS DONE DEAL.
>> SECOND. >> NOW WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE
WE VOTE? >> TO CLARIFY, WE ARE PHVOTING
ON 150 DAYS FROM TODAY. >> CONSTRUCTION UNDERWAY.
ON BOTH PROPERTIES? >> THAT IS 5 MONTHS.
>> DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
SO, CONSTRUCTION IS CONCRETE, PLUMBING, NO
ERECTION OF WALLS? >> DIRT IS TURNING OVER, AND GUYS ARE THERE AND DIGGING HOLES AND PUTTING IN FOOTERS AND GETTING READY FOR THE CONCRETE TRUCK ON MIDWAY.
A SCENARIO THAT CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY.
IT IS GOING TO BE EVIDENCE BY ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND CONCRETE. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE CAVALIER, THE INTENTION IT IS GOING TO GO VERTICAL.
IT IS NOT JUST TRIMMING SOME TREES, YOUR PERMIT IS IN HAND AND WORK IS UNDERWAY. 150 DAYS.
>> YES, MA'AM. >> WE ARE READY TO VOTE?
[b. Fisherman's Wharf Update]
>> THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS IF FISHERMAN WHARF.
>> WE HAVE A SIMPLE AND QUICK UPDATE AND ONLY FOR YOUR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND THIS IS ON THE
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FISHERMAN WHARF, WE HAVE SHY ANNE THAT WILL PROVIDE AN>> THANK YOU. >> MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AND THE QUICK, WE TRIED TO SIMPLIFY WHERE WE ARE IN THE AGREEMENT. SO I PUT TOGETHER A FEW SLIDES TO TRY TO MAKE IT CLEARER.
LET ME PULL IT UP HERE. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR RESPONSIBILITIES. RIGHT, SO, IN THE AGREEMENT THAT WAS EXECUTED IN AUGUST 2021, WE HAVE HAD THREE AMENDMENTS TO THAT AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH MORE TIME TO RESOLVE SOME OF THE TIMES OBJECTIONS.
I WANTED TO GO BACK TO ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITIES AND CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES. LOOKING AT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITIES, ONE IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL.
THE CITY HAS THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY WE HAD FOR KING'S LANDING WHERE WE BROUGHT THE PROJECT FOR REZONING AND -- AND AMENDMENT, WE HAD THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY HOWEVER WE ARE WAITING FOR THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE RESPONSES TO THE TECHNICAL RESPONSES PROVIDED BACK IN JANUARY.
WE WILL BRING THE REVISIONS AND MOVE IT FORWARD.
WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO ENTER A LOCAL AGREEMENT FOR THE PARCELS TO BE USED FOR PUBLIC PARKING.
THIS IS CURRENTLY ON HOLD AS THEY ARE LOOKING INTO THE PURCHASE AGREEMENT FOR THE PAR PARCELS. IT IS CONTINGENT ON THIS AGREEMENT. IT IS ON HOLD RIGHT NOW.
OUR FINAL OBLIGATION IS TO SECURE THE TITLE OBJECTIONS.
AS WE ALL KNOW AND MENTIONED TODAY THERE IS THESE STATE REVERSIONARY RIGHTS AND THE STATE HAS PROVIDED US THE AMOUNT WHICH IS 1.9 MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT COMMITMENT REQUIRED FOR THEM TO MOVE FORWARD TO RESOLVE THE TIME COMMITMENT. THIS IS DISCUSSED WITH YOU ALL ON JULY 17. THE MAJOR TIME OBJECTION IS THE BOAT RAMP THE ST. LOUIS ECOUNTY.
AND THERE ARE REIMBURSEMENT PROVISIONS THAT REEQUATE TO 378 THOUSAND THAT IS REPAID TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT.
>> MOVING ON THE DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITIES.
THERE ARE FOUR LISTED AND CONDITIONS FOR CLOSING.
I WANT TO ADD THAT IN BEFORE WE CAN SELL THE PROPERTY ALL OF THESE THINGS NEED TO BE RESOLVED.
NUMBER ONE WE NEED TO RESPONSES FOR THE COMMITMENTS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROCESS THAT IS THE CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE DEVELOPER MUST SOLVE THE BOAT RAMP ISSUE.
THEY NEED TO DETERMINE THE RELOCATION, PAY FOR THE RELOCATION, AND REPAY THAT FINE.
I HAVE A PART OF THE E-MAIL THAT WE RECEIVED FROM CHRIS SHELLEY. AND HE IS WORKING WITH ST.
LUCIE COUNTY TO HELP WITH THE REMOVAL AND A BETTER AND SAFER BOAT RAMP AT HARBOR POINT AND THEY ARE COMMITTED TO HAVE THE BOAT RAMP BEFORE WE TAKE DOWN THE BLACK PEARL RAMP AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS SEAMLESS FOR THE PUBLIC.
IT IS THE UPDATE. AND TWO OTHER OBLIGATIONS THAT WE WERE NOT THERE. I WANT TO MENTION BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE AGREEMENT NUMBER ONE, THE STREET IMPROVEMENT THAT ARE HAPPENING ALONG FISH R MAN'S WHARF. THE STREET IMPROVEMENT THEY NEED ALL OF THE APPROVALS FROM ALL AS WELL.
THAT WAS FAST. THE CITY IS WORKING THROUGH THE THREE RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE DEVELOPERS HAVE FOUR. AND SUBMITTED YOU CAN CALL IT A CONCEPTUAL PLAN, IT ISNATE THE SITE PLAN.
IT IS NOT THE SITE PLAN AND IT IS IN AN E-MAIL.
>> I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?
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I HAVE HAD CONVERSATION WITH STAFF AND MRS. EARLY GOING BACK TO THE CLEAR THE TITLE. OKAY.SO, THIS PARCEL AS ANOTHER AGREEMENT WITH AN PARCEL, AA -- IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THE BOARD GETTING OUT OF THE AGREEMENT, I THINK IT IS LAND GRANT.
I DON'T KNOW THE LEGAL TERM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS ON THE RECORD THAT WE ARE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE IS A NOTICE THAT COULD BE GIVEN, WE HAVE BEEN UNDER SCRUTINY WHY DIDN'T YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE HOMEWORK IS DONE, AND I'S ARE DOTTED AND T'S ARE CROSSED.
DO YOU HAVE THAT AGREEMENT INFORMATION? I'M SURPRISING YOU A LITTLE BIT.
>> I CAN JUMP IN. >> WE HAVE A LICENSE
AGREEMENT. >> THAT'S WHAT IT IS CALL.
>> THE CITY COMMISSION. NOT THE FPRA BOARD.
IT IS A DIFFERENT ENTITY. IT IS REVOKABLE.
A LICENSE AGREEMENT. IT WOULD BE EXERCISED AT ANY
TIME. >> THAT'S THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO OTHER HURDLES.
THERE HAS BEEN SCRUTINY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WHY
DIDN'T WE DO THE HOMEWORK. >> IF THE CITY COMMISSION WISHES TO MOVE ON THAT, THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF WILL
DO. >> THAT'S MY MAIN QUESTION.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTION OR DISCUSSIONS?
[8. STAFF COMMENTS]
>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
>> NEXT WE HAVE STAFF COMMENTS.
>> I WANT TO ASK MARIAM TO COME DOWN.
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SURPLUS PROPERTY, DOG GONE IT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SURPLUS PROPERTY. WE HAVE SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND OTHERS AND WE HAVE TWO PROCESSES WE ARE ENGAGED IF WHEN WE HAVE TO DISPOSE OF THEM OR ADVERTISE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR DEVELOPER TO IMPROVE THEM. IT IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF AND DEFINITELY WANT YOU TO SUPPORT IT.
WHEN WE HAVE A CITY OF FORT PIERCE-OWNED PROPERTY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES, WE SIMPLE TRANSFER THE PROPERTIES TO THE FPRA, SO THERE IS ONE BOARD, WHICH IS THE ADVISORY SUBCOMMITTEE TO REVIEW AND ANY DISPOSITION OF THE PROPERTY AND REPORT TO THE FPRA.
I WILL SAY 90 PERCENT OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE OWN ARE WITHIN THE FPRA. I WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT AND ANY TECHNICAL INFORMATION AND THEY ARE HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
>> YES. >> I THINK THIS GOES ALONG WITH MY COMMENTS. IT IS A BROKEN RECORD.
I NEED TO SEE THE NUMBER AND WHAT WE ARE TALKING THE PARCELS HERE THAT HELPS ME TO SHAPE THIS AND REALLY UNDERSTAND. I THINK WE HAVE AN IDEA.
>> IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAVE HAD A MAP.
>> I WANT A MAP. I WANT TO SEE WHAT WE ARE
>> CHAIR, QUICKLY. >> I AGREE WITH YOU, NICK, THAT STREAMLINING AND GETTING IT UNDER ONE UMBRELLA MAKES COMPLETE SENSE.
I STILL ADVOCATE STRONGLY THAT THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO BE FIXED. THE PROCESS IS NOT WORKABLE AT THIS POINT. I KNOW THAT STAFF IS WORKING ON IT VERY, VERY ANXIOUS TO GET THAT REPORT BACK BEFORE WE START AWARDING BIDDING ANY FURTHER.
WE NEED TO EXTREME -- STREAMLINE IT, MAKE IT HAVE TEETH. UNDER ONE MASTER UMBRELLA SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE IT ALL COMES BACK TO THIS BOARD AND BIFURCATED BETWEEN THE COMMISSION AND HERE BUT CHANNELLING HERE, IT IS A LOGICAL BUSINESS STRATEGY TO CLEAN IT UP.
>> I THINK A NUMBER OF THOSE PARCELS I CAN REMEMBER WERE ACQUIRED IN A PREVIOUS IT REGISTRATION OF THE FPRA DIRECTOR AND AT THE TIME, I REMEMBER, THIS WAS LONG BEFORE I WAS MAYOR, WHY ARE WE BUYING PROPERTY? WHY ARE WE DOING IT? WE NEED TO, YEAH, OUR GOAL
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IS TO HAVE GOOD STOCK HOUSING ON THESE VACATE PROPERTIES. WHATEVER IT MAKE -- TAKES TO GET IT DONE. WE NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING.>> I WILL GET THE INFORMATION.
>> YOU WILL BE THE EXPERT. YOU WILL BE MS. HOUSING.
>> CHANGE THE NAME OF THE BOARD TO SURPLUS.
>> I THINK THIS SHOULD BE A PRIORITY MYSELF.
>> YEAH. >> IT IS LONG OVERDUE.
IT IS A GREAT IDEA. >> AND ONE MORE THING.
INCLUDED YOU SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF OUR ACTIVITIES OF REPORT AND ALL OF THE PROJECTS AND WHAT WE ARE DOING AND THE STATUS OF THE REPORTS AND WE ARE HERE TO
ASK QUESTIONS. >> IT IS VERY GOOD.
ANY QUESTIONS? >> I LIKE GETTING IT AND IT
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KEEPS US UP TO DATE. ALL RIGHT.>> NEXT WE HAVE BOARD COMMENTS?
>> ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE COMMENTS.
>> I WILL BE BRIEF, I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL, I CAN'T CALL YOU ON THE PHONE, WHAT I SENT TO STAFF A FEW WEEKS AGO. I HAVE GONE BACK AND DONE RESEARCH OVER THE YEARS AND IN ADDITION TO RECENTLY AND ALL OF THE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESSES ABOUT FISHERMAN'S WHARF. IF YOU HAVE THE CHANCE AND WANT TO GO BACK AND REFRESH HOW MUCH THE COMMUNITY WAS ENGAGED ON THE FISHERMAN WHARF FROM THE MIXED MARINE DISTRICT WAS APART OF THAT AND THE ELEMENTS WE USE IN THE FPRA PROCESS AND WAS CLEAR AND REFERRED THE 2008 AND THE PROJECTS AND THE REPORT, AND IT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE FPRA. AND IT TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS IF FISHERMAN WHARF.
IT IS A LONG TIME AGO. >> I KNOW.
I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER IT. >> I WAS THERE, AND I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSIONS, AND THE PUBLIC, AND PUBLIC OUTCRY. WE WERE COMING OFF OF THE 2004 HURRICANES. RIGHT? 2008 WAS VERY FRESH IN OUR MINDS.
THE HURRICANES. THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE BOAT SHORTAGE BUILDINGS IN THIS REPORT.
IT TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE PUBLIC WAS LOOKING FOR, FOR BOAT RAMPS AND I HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT TODAY AND 15 YEARS.
AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ON THIS PARCEL SPECIFICALLY.
IT DOES SHOW IN THIS DOCUMENT WAS A BOAT RAMP.
WE THOUGHT THE BOAT RAMP SHOULD REMAIN AS A BOAT RAMP. I THINK A BOAT RAMP SHOULD REMAIN AS A BOAT RAMP. I HAVE SAID THIS ABOUT 11 PERMITTED PARKING SPACES AT THIS LOCATION.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE AERIAL MAP AND LOOK AT GOOGLE.
>> DRIVER THROUGH THERE AND YOU DON'T NEED AN AERIAL.
>> I AM GETTING MORE AND MORE PHONE CALLS BECAUSE WE ARE ENFORCING PARKING WITHIN OUR TINY TOWN THAT WE ARE NOT USED TO ENFORCING PARKING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WHEN IT IS A BUSY WEEKEND AND I HAVE HEARD THE COMMENTS ON THE BUSY WEEKEND PART, I AM A PERSON WHO USES THE BOAT RAMP TOO. I TRY TO PARK LEGALLY, AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING TICKETS BECAUSE THEY ARE PARKING ILLEGALLY. I WILL TALK ABOUT THE COMMUNITY TEAM WHEN DID THE PORT MASTER PLAN.
THEY ASKED ME WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AT THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE, TO HARBOR TOWN. I SAID YOU KNOW WHAT? WE NEED 200 PARKING SPACES AND 10 BOAT RAMPS.
I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY THAT AND THEY SAID ARE YOU CRAZY? I'M NOT CRAZY. 2040, 2050, 10 BOAT RAMPS AND 200 PARKING SPACES AND THAT'S STILL NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH. ABOUT 2 AND 25 PARKING SPACES. IT DOESN'T GET IT.
WE HAD -- AN HOUR AND A HALF PERIOD I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS.
IT IS NOT ABOUT ME, IT IS ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY WHAT WE EXPECT TO HAVE AS A BOATING COMMUNITY, ATLANTIC FRONTAGE COMMUNITY WHERE WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE WATERWAYS. I CHALLENGE THE PUBLIC IN
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ADDITION TO MYSELF, AND IN ADDITION TO THE BOARD AS SITTING AS COMMISSIONERS TO REVIEW WHAT THE PUBLIC REQUESTED. AND WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT. AND I LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT OR TALK ABOUT OR WHATEVER AFTER YOU GET A CHANCE.>> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, MS. COX? THAT PART FOR TODAY?
>> THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THERE'S A LOT OF USEFUL INFORMATION. WE HAD IT UPSTAIRS.
>> I WAS AT ONE AT THE RIVER WALK.
>> THERE HAS BEEN SOME IN THE LAST 5-7 YEARS ADDITIONAL UPDATES TO THE REPORTS.
LISTEN, WATER ACCESS IS CHAIR CHERISHED.
WE NEED BOAT RAMPS, PARKING SPACES, WATER ACCESS.
ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO ENHANCE THAT IS I THINK
WHERE WE ALL ARE. >> WE ARE THE LUCKIEST PEOPLE ON THE EAST COAST BECAUSE OF THE INLETS AND WATER WAYS. WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT
AND THAT IS OUR HERITAGE? >> ANYBODY ELSE?
>> MRS. COX, YOU WILL ATTACH THAT?
>> PRINT ONE OFF, PLEASE. >> OKAY.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I THINK I HAVE SAID ENOUGH TONIGHT. I'M GOOD.
>> ARE YOU OKAY? >> I'M QUIET TONIGHT.
>> WE APPRECIATE WHEN YOU ARE NOT QUIET.
>> I CAUGHT MYSELF. >> FOR THE RECORD, NO -- I'M NOT QUIET BECAUSE A YOUNG MAN SITTING OFF IS LOOKING AT ME. HE HAS HEARD ME FOR 55 YEARS. I'M NOT QUIET BECAUSE HE DECIDED JOIN US TONIGHT
>> OKAY. WELL, WE ARE GOING TO BE ADJOURNING. IF EVERYONE WANTS TO LEAVE THE
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