Jul 12, 2023 Planning Board

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>>> WE'RE CALLING -- FORT PIERCE PLANNING BOARD MEETING. I WANT TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THE BASE GREEN RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF, BOTH ARE -- I'LL GIVE YOU TIME TO LEAVE, OTHERWISE YOU'RE WELCOME TO OBSERVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING

TO ATTEND THE MEETING. I APOLOGIZE -- FOR THE CHAIR. >> [INAUDIBLE].

SOMETIMES I HAVE TO TURN IT OFF. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE -- AND IN THE MEANTIME, I WOULD ASK [INAUDIBLE].

>> I THINK WE HAVE ONE BOARD MEMBER WHO'S NOT HERE. >> RIGHT.

>> AND [INAUDIBLE]. THIS WAS ACCEPTABLE? GOOD, WE'LL NOT [INAUDIBLE].

MS. DANIELS [INAUDIBLE]. WE'LL MOVE FORWARD, THEN. I WOULD LIKE A MOTION FOR THE

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

[6. HEARING OF THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY]

>> THIS IS HEARD, THE BOARD IS [INAUDIBLE]. FIRST TIME BASIS IS THE

AMENDMENT OF MIXED PARCEL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. WE HAVE A . FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT - " SELVITZ ROAD MIXED USE - PARCEL IDS:2432-211-0006-000-3, 2432-211-0005-000-6, 2432-343-0001-000-4.

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THE ACREAGE, WITH THAT, THERE'S AN INCREASE OF 1,680 RESIDENTIAL UNITS.

THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT -- THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS ADJACENT TO EXISTING FLU DESIGNATIONS OF I, INDUSTRIAL, INST, INSTITUTIONAL, AND RL, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 125-136 OF CITY CODE & THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

>> WAS THIS PARCEL, -- AT ONE TIME? >> LOCATED -- THE PROPERTY IS

THERE, CORRECT? >> [INAUDIBLE]. IN THE -- TOGETHER SEVEN WET LANDS, MAYBE MITIGATE, AND THAT I THINK IS APPROVED. WITH VARIOUS ATTACHED TO IT.

>> NECESSARILY SERVED A BY-PRODUCT OF THE SAND -- BE A PART OF THE MITIGATION SYSTEM.

>> [INAUDIBLE]. WHAT I PERCEIVE IS -- IT IS THAT WE TAKE THE PIECE, CONSEQUENCE

BUT NOT WITH STANDING, THAT'S PART OF THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> VERIFY TWO -- IF YOU HAVE

FURTHER INFORMATION REGARDING, PLEASE SHARE. >> FOR THE RECORD --

>> SURE HAS. >> THANK YOU. >> LOOKING AT -- CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE CHART THAT SHOWS THE DENTY CHANGE? ALSO THE TITLE OF THAT --

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[INAUDIBLE]. >> A DEMONSTRATION. THE LAND USE, WET LANDS ON SITE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE ACCOMMODATED, THE [INAUDIBLE] THE FACT THAT ALL THOSE TO A SITE. WE HAVE TO SHOW THOSE PART OF THE REQUIREMENT REVIEW OF THIS.

THE MAXIMUM -- THAT'S -- YOU SEE ON THE CHART. >> THIS WOULD ANSWER YOUR --

>> YES, THANKS. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> A LOT OF PEOPLE.

>> ON THE LAND, OUT ON THE LAND. >> TWO SEPARATE -- IT COULD BE OF THE USAGE THAT ALLOWS -- WHAT WILL BE DOING. UNDER THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. [INAUDIBLE].

>> ANYTHING FURTHER? NOT HEARING ANY, OPEN THIS TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE MEETING.

I WOULD LIKE TO -- IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> TWO, NOT HYPHENATED.

I WOULD HAVE A PRESENTATION, WHICH -- IT COVERED THE LOCATIONS, BUT THROUGH IT, I'M

NOT SURE HOW YOU WANT TO DO THAT. >> PERFECT.

AS MENTIONED, FOR BOTH FUTURE MAP AMENDMENT. OF THE SITE, IS LOCATED WEST SECTION MID WAY ON 25TH, AND MORE SPECIFICALLY ALONG [INAUDIBLE].

THIS DEVELOPMENT THROUGH -- MUCH [INAUDIBLE]. A CLOSEUP, JUST SHOWING THE

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AS WELL AS POWER PLANT FURTHER DOWN THIS. THE USES OBVIOUSLY THIS MAP, A LOT OF VARIATION. THIS IS A PARCEL TO HAVE MORE POSITIONAL SITUATION, NOT HAVING THE EXISTING LOW DENSITY FUTURE LAND USE. YOU DON'T PUT FAMILY HOMES -- HAVING THE PLANNED USE TRANSITION, BUDGET GOAL, INCLUDE THE NEW RESIDENCES COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LOW DENSITY RESIDENCES. CLOSE TO -- FOR THE SURROUNDINGS. AGAIN, POSING THE PD DEVELOPMENT, ALLOWED THE TOOLS AND FLEXIBILITY NEEDED FOR THIS, THE TRANSITION DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA.

HERE'S A -- I'M SORRY, AGAIN, THE PORTION OF THE PROJECT, I KNOW [INAUDIBLE].

FORCE STAFF REVIEW. THE NORTHWEST EDGE OF -- NOW BEHIND -- WE'RE PROVIDING LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, AND ONE HOUSE -- PROVIDES THE [INAUDIBLE] BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND HIGH INDUSTRIAL. WITH THAT -- THE MAPS I PRESENTED, DIFFERENT TYPES OF WORK, FOR PEOPLE THE POPULATION IN THE CITY, [INAUDIBLE]. A VARIETY OF TYPES OF OVERALL TO ANYONE WHO'S TO THE AREA. THE APARTMENT ALSO PROVIDES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FINANCIALLY READY TO OWN A HOME. IN HIGH SCHOOL OR A WORKER IN NEARBY INDUSTRIAL -- THIS PROPERTY WILL HAVE YOUR TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY PEOPLE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS A WHOLE.

A LITTLE MORE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTS SURROUNDING.

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THE RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL AND THE -- I AM SURE THOSE ARE WITH YOU IN THE PRESENTATION.

I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> APPLICANT.

>> YOU STARTED OFF WITH THE EXCESS, IS THIS WHOLE -- WE COULD HAVE GONE PAST THE

APARTMENT COMPLEXES INTO THE HOUSING. >> WE ANTICIPATE BOTH, IT'S BETWEEN THE INDUSTRIAL APARTMENT AREA, PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE AREA.

IN BETWEEN THE PD AREA AND THE APARTMENT AREA IS A MAIN ROAD TO PROVIDE ACCESS.

SO, WE DO -- EMERGENCY IN THE YELLOW AREA. FOR EAST.

THAT WOULD BE EMS ONLY. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.

PEOPLE MAY NOT BE PARTICULARLY HAPPY WITH THAT. BUT EMERGENCY ACCESS JUST IN

CASE. >> PLANNING TO BE A PART OF THIS -- STARTING THE DISCUSSION OF THE USE, HOW FAR TO GO IN, THE AREA OF GETTING THE -- TO A [INAUDIBLE].

>> THE QUESTION OF THE -- POTENTIAL LAND USE. THAT PUT AND THE PARTICULAR SIDE IS GOD. TO SEE -- GOOD, TO SEE WHAT'S INTENDED.

THE FIRST IS THE [INAUDIBLE]. AND THAT SUBSEQUENTLY ZONING, BEING PROPOSED --

>> MY QUESTION, EGRESS -- >> THERE'S A SPECIAL [INAUDIBLE] BECAUSE OTHER FUTURE LAND USE, THE ROADWAY AND TRAFFIC. THE APPLICANT POSING THE MAJORITY OF THE ACCESS FROM SELVITZ, THAT'S WHERE THE LANDIOUS IS ASSESSED BY THE CITY, COUNTY AND SOME ASPECTS

THE BELT. >> WHAT I WOULD ASK THEN IF QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS COME UP, AND YOU FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT, DON'T BE BASHFUL ABOUT LEANING UP AND GETTING MY ATTENTION IN SOME WAY.

THANK YOU. CARRY ON. >> JUST TO ADD TO THAT REAL QUICK, ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE PRESENTING POTATO THE FUTURE LAND -- BOTH THE FUTURE LAND MAP

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PIERCE AREA. >> I'M NOT SUGGESTING AN ISSUE WITH THE PRESENTATION.

I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD WITH THE PRESENTATION. BUT I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DON'T GET IN A GRAY AREA OR POTENTIAL ISSUE WITH THE STATE STATUTE.

WE DON'T HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY ON BOARD, WE HAVE TO SELF-GUIDE, GUIDE OURSELVES IF YOU WILL AND THE POTENTIAL LEGAL ISSUES. I GENERALLY IF I MAKE AN ERROR, I MAKE IT CAUTIOUSLY.

TO WHERE THE ACTIONS TAKING THE DAY, WE HAVE TO BE REVIEWED AND YOU WOULD BE COME BACK TO PRESENT THE SAME ACTIONS IF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TAKES A LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT WE DO HERE TODAY.

AND SAY, YOU'RE TOO FAR IN A GRAY AREA, BRING IT BACK. I DON'T LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN.

I AGREE WITH YOU, THROUGH THE PRESENTATION IS THE WAY TO GO IN THE SITUATION.

WE HAVE TO SELF-POLICE OURSELVES A BIT HERE. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT? I'LL MAKE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT ALSO RIGHT NOW. SO THAT YOU'RE THE APPLICANT IS AWARE, SHOULD THERE BE ANY COMMENTS MADE BY THE PUBLIC THAT'S OPPOSING YOUR POSITION, YOU GET TO REBUTTAL.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU TIME FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> DON'T GET THE BLOOD PRESSURE

GET TOO HIGH. >> NOT HEARING ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I'LL -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND I'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH OPEN TO THE PUBLIC MEETING.

ANYONE WHO YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE, STEP FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN. YOU HAVE A THREE MINUTE LIGHT AND A THREE MINUTE WARNING.

SAY THE THINGS THAT ARE MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU FIRST. THE MEETING IS FULLY OPEN.

YOU MAY STEP FORWARD TO THE MIC. KEVIN YOU'LL TRY TO HELP GUIDE US THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENTS

TO KEEP US ON TRACK WITH -- >> I'LL DO MY BEST. >> THE INTRODUCTIONS CHAIR I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE PUBLIC THAT WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PART OF THIS.

THIS FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT, IF YOU CAN, I WOULD SAY THIS TO EVERYONE, IF YOU CAN, DIRECT IT TO CAPACITY ISSUES, DENSITY ISSUES, AND THE IMPACTS ON THE AREA AS A WHOLE.

RATHER THAN THE SPECIFIC SITE PLAN THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE GOT A GLIMPSE OF EARLIER.

DO THAT LATER. IF THE SITE PLAN PROPOSES PART OF THIS ALSO CAUSES CONCERN, GET

ANOTHER CHANCE TO COMMENT ON THAT. >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU, SIR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. I WAS LOOKING OVER THE PAPER WORK, AND AS YOU STATED, GOING OVER THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM FIRST. THE PLAN OF THE FUTURE PLAN USE POLICY, AND I WAS -- I HAD A COUPLE OF POINT TO MAKE SURE THAT VOTING THESE IN AND OUT, THE ISSUES IN REGARD TO -- I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THIS PROPERTY.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY ENVIRONMENT STAYS THE WAY IT IS OUT THERE.

I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T STOP DEVELOPMENT, IT'S ALWAYS CHANGING BUT POLICY STATES THE

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IT SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE. AND IT SHOULD HAVE, AS I MENTIONED TO A LADY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE YOUR GROUP MEET WITH US. SIT DOWN WITH US.

TELL US WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. LET US BE A PART OF IT. WE LIVE HERE, THIS IS OUR LIVELY HOOD. WE HAVE BORN AND RAISED HERE. HAVE A MEETING WITH US, WE'RE NOT STOPPING YOU, WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED. I BELIEVE THERE'S PLACES ON THE SIX AND A HALF ACRES, MY QUESTIONS, THE PEOPLE CAN ASK THEIR OWN QUESTIONS.

ARE THE PEOPLE LEAVING ON TO CHRISTIANSON ROAD, ARE THEY RENTALS, BUYING THE HOMES? WE NEED AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PLACES. WE OWN OUR HOMES OUT THERE.

WHERE'S THE TRAFFIC LIGHT? EVERYTHING ON THE WEBSITE IN THE POLICIES IS EVERYTHING HAS TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH WITH THE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING, HOUSES, DUPLEXES, NEGATIVES THAT THE SIGNS I MENTIONED, THERE WAS NEVER ANY SIGNS, THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE US FOR THIS MEETING. WE FOUND OUT WE'RE ALL HERE. WE WANT TO KNOW OF THE TRAFFIC.

THE TRAFFIC FOR ACCESS ON OUR ROAD. THE COUNTY DOESN'T OWN THE CHRISTIANSON ROAD. HALF OF THE ROAD DOESN'T BELONG TO THE COUNTY.

DIVINE IS NOT COUNTY OWNED. A WHOLE CONTAINER FULL OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT FROM THE GET GO ON THIS PLACE. THE LAST DEVELOPER WHO OWNED THIS PROPERTY, HAD THOSE PLANS, HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE RANCHETTES, TO MEET THE DEVELOPMENT.

I CAN SAY THIS TOO, I'M TRYING TO GET A CULVERT, NOBODY WANTS TO PUT A CULVERT IN ON OAK ALLEY. I HAVE GONE TO CITY, COUNTY, I BRING THIS UP NOW.

I'M TRYING TO GET A CULVERT. PLEASE PUT A CULVERT IN. WE'LL HAVE FLOODING OUT THERE, NOBODY IS FIXING THAT. THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM, PLEASE PUT IT IN THERE.

I HEAR MY BUZZER GOING OFF, MAKE THE MAN, THE AGENCY PUT A CULVERT IN ON THE WAY TO OUR FLOODING STOPS OUT THERE. THAT WOULD BE A BIG HELP. AND PIPE TO THE CANAL, BUT NO

CULVERT ON THE ROAD. THANK YOU, HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> A NEXT SPEAKER? >> SINCE 2021. >> LOUD AND CLEAR.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON I'M JANE ROWELY. A FORT PIERCE RESIDENT.

I'M THE ONLY HOUSE OUT OF 30 HOUSES ON THAT STREET THAT THE FORT PIERCE ANNEXED IN BY ACCIDENT BECAUSE THE PLANNING ZONING PERSON PICKED UP MY CODE ON THE BACK END OF THE ALLEY.

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NO SERVICES. THIS STARTS ME BEING KIND OF ANNOYED WITH FORT PIERCE IN THE BEGINNING. AND CHRISTIANSON ROAD, I'M FOUR LOTS DOWN FROM PRECAST.

THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ANNEXED IN FROM THE COUNTY AND CHANGED LAND USE TO HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, AND PUT IN A CONCRETE PLANT THAT GRINDS CONCRETE FOUR HOURS OF THE DAY, 6:00 ON THE MORNING ON SUNDAY MORNING. 7 TO 8:00 AT NIGHTS, OUTSIDE DOING SOMETHING, THERE'S NO PEACE, THERE'S DUST, AND I WANTED TO SAY FIVE OR TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD FROM NOW, YOU'LL HAVE KIDS FROM THE HIGH SCHOOL, THEY'LL HAVE LUNG CANCER AND ALL KINDS OF HEALTH PROBLEMS. IT'S JUST WRONG. I HOPE THEY'LL PUT IN A -- BEHIND THIS SIX ACRE UNIT.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO DUMP ON CHRISTIANSON ROAD. AND WE ALSO NEED PROTECTION ON THE LOWER SECTION ON THE CORNER. JUST SOUTH OF WHERE THEY DUG THE LAKE.

THE LOVELY HOMES THERE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE ALL THEIR LIVES.

KIDS AND GRANDCHILDREN LIVE THERE. IT'S A LOVELY AREA TO LIVE, AND THEY LIVE SIX TO EIGHT FOOT CONCRETE WALL TO PROTECT EVERYONE FROM I HOPE THE APARTMENTS ARE NOT GOING TO BE LOW INCOME. WORK FORCE IS FINE.

BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WITH THE DEVELOPERS. BELIEVE ME, I KNOW I WORKED FOR THEM FOR 25 YEARS. LIKE I SAID, THE WALL IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT PROTECTS OUR AREA OF LIVING. OUR VALUES HAVE ALREADY DROPPED ONCE PRECAST CAME IN, AND FORT PIERCE COMMISSIONERS, I HAVE SPOKEN TO ALL OF THEM. NOBODY CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER TO THE HOURS THAT PRECAST WORKS. SOMETHING IS WRONG FOR A CITY OF THIS SIZE, THAT TWO OR THREE YEARS GO BY AND THEY CAN'T GIVE ME AN ANSWER. AND I KEEP TALKING TO THEM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. ANY OTHER SPEAKER?

>> HELLO, I HAVE AN AFFIDAVIT I WOULD LIKE TO SUMMIT, WITH MY NOTES ON IT.

A LOT OF IT PEOPLE HAVE MADE THEIR POINTS, SIMILAR TO MINE. MOST OF THE HOUSES ON CHRISTIANSON ARE 3 TO 5 ACRE LOTS, LOW RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. IT CHANGED TO MIX, AND WE READ THE FINE PRINT, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THEY COULD GO TO. I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

THE SMALL POD, A PROPOSAL UP TO 74 UNITS. POD ONE ALSO HAVE INDICATED THEY COULD HAVE FROM 400 TO 2,000 UNITS AT THE MAXIMUM. THAT'S ON 80 ACRE, AND THEY DEN SHOW WHERE IT'LL BE. THE APARTMENT UNITS MIGHT GO, AND GO TO DIVINE AND CHRISTIANSON. TRAFFIC IS ANOTHER MAJOR CONCERN.

THEY'RE BOTH SUB STANDARD ROADWAYS. THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER DRAINS OR SHOULDERS. AND ONLY 50 FEET WIDE. THEY'RE TALKING THROUGH THE PAPER WORK, AN ESTIMATE OF 16 TO 5,000 ADDITIONAL VEHICLES GOING BACK AND FORTH IN THE AREA.

FOR CAPACITY. WE'RE ALSO ON PRIVATE WELLS AND SEPTIC TANKS AND CONCERNED THE

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WE DON'T WANT OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY WITH TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION.

THERE'S ALSO NEW RESEARCH STUDIES THAT PROVE PEOPLE LIVE HAPPIER AND HEALTHIER LIVES WHEN YOU HAVE SPACE AROUND THEM. FORT PIERCE AND -- THE PARKS AND AREAS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO US, AND I -- PLEASE DON'T APPROVE THIS REZONING REQUEST. THANK YOU.

>> HELLO EVERYONE. I ALSO HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY -- THAT'S MY FATHER-IN-LAW'S.

HE CAN'T BE HERE TODAY, HE ASKED ME TO REPRESENT HIM. I'VE BEEN IN FORT PIERCE ALL MY LIFE, BORN AND RAISED. I WAS GIVEN THE PROPERTY WHERE WE BUILT THE HOUSE.

THIS PROPERTY IS FOREVER, RAISE THE KIDS, RETIRE. A MOVE WAS MADE THREE YEARS AGO BY MY WIFE. SHE SAW THINGS HAPPENING. I OWN A SMALL POOL BUSINESS IN TOWN. THEY PAY ATTENTION MORE TO GOVERNMENT THAN I DO.

SHE WANTED TO LEAVE. I CUT IT DOWN, WE WERE ALMOST PAID OFF FOR THE HOUSE, THERE'S NO REASON, I HAVE MY BUSINESS THERE. I KEEP THE EQUIPMENT THERE.

AND THIS COMES UP MONDAY. THE SIGNS ON THE ROAD ARE HIDDEN, KIND OF CUTE.

I DO A LOT OF RESEARCH, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I HAD THIS WEEK IS SUCKING UP AND TELLING MY WIFE SHE WAS RIGHT. THREE YEARS AGO WHEN SHE WANTED TO MOVE.

THIS PLAN IS THE ONLY IDEA, THIS IS NOT -- AND HE SAID THIS IS A HORRIBLE IDEA.

THIS ENTIRE PLAN IS ALREADY SHOT DOWN BEFORE. THE RECORDS SHOW IT.

WHY WE'RE REVISITING IT, I HAVE NO IDEA. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

THE PRESENTATION WITH THE MAP AND THAT, A COUPLE OF THINGS LEFT OFF THERE, DIRECT ACCESS TO CHRISTIANSON ROAD FROM POD TWO. THAT WAS A DIRECT ROAD. THERE IS A ROAD GOING THROUGH.

YOU NEED A PLAN WITH THE COUNTY OKAY,ING EVERYTHING. AND THE PAVED AND SIDEWALKS.

WHEN I GOT MY PARCEL OF LAND, I HAD TO GIVE PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY FOR RIGHT OF WAY.

THE NEW FENCE ON THE PASTURE, WE HAVE CATTLE, AND ZONED AGRICULTURAL.

THE NEW -- WOULD NOT HELP OUT OUR CATTLE. MY BROTHER IS A COP, I DON'T BOTHER CALLING THE COPS. THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO SPEED UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

I HAVE A LOT OF KID'S TOYS. MY KIDS ARE GROWN UP, AND THE TOYS FIND THEIR WAY ON THE ROAD AND SLOW PEOPLE DOWN. I DON'T CARE, YOU DON'T GO 60 MILES PER HOUR IN A 25.

THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. I WILL DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING. THE ACT, THE ABLE OF HAVING A TREEM AND BUYING PROPERTY AND INCREASE IN VALUE. MAYBE LATER TOWN THE ROAD, -- OFFING THAT AS YOUR -- USING THAT AS YOUR NEST EGG. THIS WOULD DAMAGE EVERYONE'S PROPERTY VALUE.

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BY MID WAY ROAD, A BUNCH OF HOUSES PUTTING IN. NO ACCESS ROAD.

THERE'S NOTHING IF THE BACK. NOTHING GOES ON CHRISTIANSON ROAD.

IF ALL OF THIS CAN BE PACKED IN THE ACREAGEAGE, AND SHOVED OFF, I COULD CARE LESS.

BUT A BIG WALL UP ON THE CHRISTIANSON SIDE, I COULD CARE LESS.

DON'T DAMAGE CHRISTIANSON ROAD, LEAVE -- WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS AND IT'S BEEN SHOT DOWN.

THE RANCHETTES. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS? >> GOOD AFTERNOON I LIVE JUST TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PROPERTY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, FIRST, TO THE SCHOOL'S READING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS. THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS THERE WOULD BE ATTENDING CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL. I CAN TELL YOU FROM FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE, THIS PAST SCHOOL YEAR, THE 2022-2023 SCHOOL YEAR, I WAS THERE AT THE SCHOOL LOOKING FOR A STUDENT, IT'S NOT SAFE. THEY ARE OVERCROWDED. THEY DO NOT KNOW WHO IS ON THE CAMPUS AND WHO IS NOT ON THE CAMPUS CURRENTLY. THEY DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR MORE STUDENTS. I HAD EVERYONE INVOLVED, THE PEOPLE IN THE OFFICE DIDN'T KNOW IF THE STUDENT WAS THERE OR NOT. THEY HAVE LAPTOPS FOR THE STUDENTS TO SIGN IN IF THEY PLEASE, PEOPLE ARE THERE OPENING THE DOOR AND LETTING STUDENTS IN.

ANYONE REALLY CAN WALK IN. THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFF, THE TEACHERS DON'T KNOW WHERE THE STUDENTS ARE. NO ONE DOES. SO THE STUDENT I WAS LOOKING FOR, I WAS TOLD WAS NOT THERE. AND LATER I GOT A CALL FROM THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER, THAT IN FACT, THE STUDENT WAS ON CAMPUS. THIS IS A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT SUITABLE, THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE STUDENTS THEY HAVE NOW. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE ROAD, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN ON SELVITZ RECENTLY, IT'S A MESS.

IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED NOW. NOT JUST IN FORT PIERCE, BUT PORT -- THERE'S 900 UNITS, WE'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE THAT NEW TRAFFIC AND NOW WE'LL BE ADDING THIS.

SUPPOSED TOLY, 799 UNITS. IT COULD BE UP TO 1,800. THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.

IF THIS IS APPROVED TODAY, WHO'S TO SAY, THIS WILL BE DEVELOPED AND SOMEONE WILL COME IN LATER AND BUILD MORE? ADDING TO THE PROBLEM. I RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL ON THIS TO SAY THAT WE HAD NO D HEADACH- NOTIFICATION OF THIS. THERE WAS A SMALL SIGN PUT IN, I BELIEVE OVER THE WEEKEND, MAYBE, THE FIRST TIME ANY OF US SAW IT. FIRST THING MONDAY MORNING I CULLED THE IF I UNDERSTAND OUT ABTHIS -- CALLED TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS.

WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED BEFOREHAND, IT'S NOT ENOUGH. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING? >> HI, MY NAME IS JEAN. I LIVE ON BELLE AVENUE.

IT'S NOT WHERE THE PROPERTY IS, BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH IT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE OF

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THE PLAN IS NO LONGER IN EFFECT, HAVING THE PLANS FOR FUTURE USE, IF WE KEEP CHANGING THEM EACH TIME A DEVELOPER WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

AND THEN, MY MAIN CONCERN IS THE APPLICANT WOULD SET A PRECEDENCE.

WE WOULD HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND [INAUDIBLE] FOR THE COUNTY, IN BOTH CITIES, AND I'M A BIT SURVEYED -- ON JUNE 30. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TOOK THE SURVEY. AND WHAT WE WANT TO SEE, AND I WAS CURIOUS, [INAUDIBLE].

TO YOU GUYS TO KNOW, WHEN THE DATA IS COMPILED, SO PEOPLE CAN SEE THE RESULTS.

AND ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I WANT TO SAY THAT OBVIOUSLY WITH THE TRAFFIC, THE PROJECTS GOING IN ON THIS AREA. A TRAFFIC STUDY, DOING THAT IN A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.

THE SURROUNDING PROJECTS OR JUST THE STUDY. AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU. >> HELLO, I WAS OUT AT WEST VIRGINIA DRIVE, THAT'S ONE STREET OVER FROM CHRISTIANSON. WE HAVE A BIG ISSUE IN THE AREA OF OVERDEVELOPMENT.

PROMISES BEING TOLD TO US THAT ARE NOT KEPT. THE PROPERTY BEHIND ME, WHICH IS RAVINIA. THE ORIGINAL SAYS FAMILY HOMES THAT TURNED INTO RENTERS.

WE WERE NOT NOTIFIED OF THIS. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WERE CLUELESS.

WE WENT TO A MEETING AND WE FOUND OUT THEY WOULD ALL BE RENTALS.

WE HAVE 144 HOMES OFF THE ROAD THAT ARE STILL NOT LIVED IN YET. THEY'RE HAVING WATER ISSUES.

BUT TO SAY WE NEED THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THE ONE BEHIND CUMBERLAND, AND THE TRAFFIC IS ONE COMMON UNITY, AND THE ROADS -- OKAY, AND THE ROADS IMPROVE, WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM THE BEAUTY OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY ANY BOARD WHETHER IT'S COUNTY OR CITY IS ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN TO THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE TAKING AWAY ALL OF THE WILDLIFE, BUILDING THE HOMES THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO RENT.

AND ON ANOTHER NOTE, WHATEVER IS GOING TO BE APPROVED FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, I WOULD HOPE YOU PROTECT THE RESIDENTS ON DIVINE AND CHRISTIANSON. I WAS NOT PROTECTED.

I LIVE AT THE END OF THE STREET, THE ROADWAY GOES RIGHT BEHIND MY HOME.

I HAD TRUCKS STOPPING RIGHT BEHIND MY HOUSE, ALL DAY LONG. WORKERS, EVERYONE, I HAVE FAMILIES THEIR GRANDCHILDREN AND THEY'RE STANDING THERE. THERE'S NO PRIVACY.

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WE WERE TOLD ORIGINALLY WE WOULD HAVE A CONCRETE FENCE. ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE DON'T.

AND THANK GOODNESS THEY PUT UP A PRIVACY FENCE. ON CHRISTIANSON, MY SIDE, THEY HAVE NOTHING. ALL THESE HOMES ARE BACK THERE. I DON'T KNOW WE'RE ALLOWING ALL THIS EXCESSIVE GROWTH IN THE AREA. WE'RE HAVING ACCIDENTS, RUNNING RED LIGHTS. I CAN TELL YOU, MOST PEOPLE ARE DOING WELL OVER 35 AND RUNNING THE RED LIGHTS. SAFETY IS A CONCERN. AND I WANT YOU TO DISAPPROVE MOVING FORWARD, AND WE ADDRESS ALL THE ISSUES. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS ISSUE? >> WE GOT THE NOTIFICATION

MONDAY MORNING. >> STATE YOUR NAME. >> I'M ALSO REPRESENTING MY NEIGHBOR. SOUTH OF ME. WE BOTH BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN A WREER AND A HALF. IT'S AGRICULTURELY SUPER RESIDENTIAL ZONED.

THE TRAFFIC, THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR WATER, SEWAGE, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION FOR A FEW WROERZ THAT'LL CHANGE -- YEARS THAT'LL CHANGE THE LIFESTYLE THAT WE ALL BOUGHT INTO.

WE VOTE PEOPLE IN, WE HOPE YOU CAN SPOKE FOR THE PEOPLE. -- SPEAK FOR THE PEOPLE.

ALSO WE PAY HEFTY TAXES TO LIVE BACK THERE. AND ALSO WE HAVE A VOICE.

I HOPE YOU TAKE US SERIOUS. WE HOPE YOU SHOOT THIS DOWN. THEY WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING, I OWN A BIT OVER AN ACRE, IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, PEOPLE WOULD BE MORE ACCEPTING.

BUT TO RAISE UP TO 3 TO 4,000 NEW RESIDENTS IN THIS FAMILIES WITH KIDS IN THIS AREA.

IT'S GOING TO CONGEST EVERYTHING. TO GET TO 95 RIGHT NOW, FROM MID WAY, TAKES OVER 15 MINUTES WHEN YOU HIT THE LIGHTS. IT'S THREE MILES.

I COULD RUN THERE QUICKER THAN DRIVE THERE. THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC WILL BE ABSURD. THE OTHER ENTRANCE IS IF YOU CUT THE EXITS.

THERE'S NO TRAFFIC LIGHTS THERE. NOTHING BUT STOP SIGNS. ONCE AGAIN, ANOTHER COMMUNITY WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE TRAFFIC. WE HIGHLY URGE THAT YOU DON'T APPROVE THIS.

FORM A NEW PLAN. IF YOU WANT TO DEVELOP. I'M GETTING IN THE REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT MYSELF. I FLIP HOUSES. I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO MAKE MONEY, A LOT OF NEW RESIDENTIAL PLACES BRINGS IN TAXES. THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO DO IT.

WE URGE YOU LOOK FOR OTHER WAYS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I WANTED TO ADDRESS AND MAKE A COUPLE POINTS AFTER HEARING SOME OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT. SHE DID -- FOR THE PRESENTATION.

>> WAIT? >> IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'LL GO IN A REBUTTAL.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU AMPLE TIME FOR THAT. >> ANYONE ELSE FROM THE GENERAL

PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

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>> PLEASE SIGN IN. -- >> WE HAVE ALL LIVED THERE FOR 20 YEARS. BESIDES THE TWO ACROSS THE STREET.

WE DO HAVE ACREAGE, OUR KIDS GREW UP THERE, WE STILL HAVE GRANDKIDS THAT COME, OTHERS HAVE THEIR CHILDREN THERE. THE TRAFFIC -- WHAT ABOUT OUR LIVESTOCK? WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT, YOU TAKE 25 OR 50 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU'RE CITY, WE'RE COUNTY. WE WERE GIVEN NO NOTICE. THAT'S NOT FAIR.

ONE LITTLE SIN, IF I COULD SHOW YOU IT, IT WAS IN THE BUSHES ON CHRISTIANSON.

WE'RE LUCKY WE HAVE SIDE BY SIDES. WE GET TO RIDE THE HORSES, TAKE OUR SIDE BY SIDES, AND POOR KEITH, HE'S LIKE, DID YOU SEE THE SIGN? NO. I WORK AT THE COURTHOUSE. I'M LUCKY I GET TO COME THIS WAY. MY HUSBAND GOES, AND HE DIDN'T EVEN SEE IT.

THERE'S A NUMBER, WE CALLED, AND NO ONE CALLS US BACK. WHY? THERE'S NO -- TODAY IS THE DAY, TODAY IS THE HEARING. WE HAD TO DIG.

WE DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY. WE'RE ALL COUNTY. NO ONE EVER TOLD US ANYTHING.

SO WHEN YOU DECIDE TO LET THEM COME IN, AND DO SECTION A, OKAY, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO EAT IT.

WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT? WHO'S GOING TO CLOSURE THE DITCHES -- CLEAR THE DITCHES? REPLACE THE CULVERT PIPES? HAS ANYONE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. I'VE LIVED THERE A LONG TIME, AND IT'S NICE AND QUIET. NEVER A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, IT'S A DEAD END STREET. YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE RACING UP AND DOWN, A FAMILY OF FOUR, KIDS ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL. FOUR CARS, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO MY PROPERTY? I MOVED THERE BECAUSE -- WHAT ABOUT MY BARN, BY COWS AND PIGS. HORSES AND, IT'S OKAY.

WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO MY PROPERTY VALUE, TO MY TAXES. BECAUSE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE NEVER EVEN OFFERED TO LET US HARD WORKING PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE ALL OF OUR LIVES, TO PAY OUR TAXES AND DO WHAT WE DO, FOR SOMEONE WHOM THES TO DO THIS -- WHO WANTS TO DO THIS.

AND OFF OF CHRISTIANSON ROAD, OH, IT'S JUST EMERGENCY. NOT FAIR.

I'M ON MY LUNCH HOUR, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD TO WORK, THEY DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO COME HERE, AT 2:00, BECAUSE CERTAIN PEOPLE FOUND OUT, AND WE DUG UNTIL WE COULD FIND OUT WHEN THE HEARING WAS. BUT I TOOK MY LUNCH HOUR, I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, THOSE PEOPLE BACK THERE, MY NEIGHBORS. THEY WORK HARD.

60 SOMETHING YEARS OLD AND DO WHAT THEY CAN FOR IT TO BE TAKEN AWAY, IT'S NOT FAIR.

THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT I'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY. THE POLICY OF THIS CITY, AND IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION 15, MAYBE 20 MINUTES BEFORE I ENTERED THE CHAMBER TO SIT AND TRYING TO PULL MY THOUGHTS TOGETHER TODAY. AND THAT CONVERSATION PARTIALLY INCLUDED THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND NOTIFICATION OF THE PROJECTS AND THE LACK OF THE FACT THAT WE DON'T -- THE FACT THAT WE DON'T SEND LETTERS OUT FOR THE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS. HOWEVER WE DO NOTIFY BY LETTER

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ORDER. NOTIFICATIONS GO OUT FOR MEETINGS, THIS IS AN ADVISORY BOARD. THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE CITY NOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE CITY FOR THREE YEARS. AND AT ONE TIME I THOUGHT WE HAD THAT FIXED. THAT WE WOULD BE SENDING LETTERS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS.

BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT. I JUST HAD THE CONVERSATION, BEFORE CHAMBER.

I HOPE THAT WE REGENERATE THAT CONVERSATION. I THINK THAT PARTICULARLY IN CASES LIKE THIS, THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REZONING, POTENTIALLY LARGE DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN, IN AND AROUND RURAL PROPERTIES. I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU.

THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF NOTIFICATION.

OF MEETINGS. WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB OF NOTIFICATION PARTICULARLY OF THESE ISSUES. AND I HOPE WE CAN GET BEYOND THAT AND GET THAT RESOLVED HERE IN THE NEXT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT RESOLVE BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

THIS DOESN'T HELP YOU, BUT KNOW THAT I HEARD IT, THAT I'VE KNOWN IT.

KNOW I'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK ON IT. AS WELL AS OTHERS IN CITY GOVERNMENT. IT'S -- YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING TO DEAF EARS WITH THIS BOARD.

ALSO KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE AN ADVISORY BARD. OUR -- BOARD, OUR GUYED TO THE DECISION -- GUIDE TO THE DECISIONS WE MAKE ARE 100% ORDINANCE THAT PERTAIN TO THESE ISSUES. WE CAN ONLY MAKE A JUDGE CALL BASED ON THE ORDINANCE.

THIS MAY BE A CALL FROM THE BOARD THAT YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH.

FOLLOW UP WITH THE COMMISSIONER MEETING. YOU'RE IN A GOOD SPOT TODAY, YOU'RE ALREADY PUTTING ON NOTICE TO THE COMMISSIONERS THE FEELING OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN THE AREA. EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT TO COME TO THIS MEETING AND SPEAK.

SOMEONE MADE A COMMENT, MAYBE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. THAT'S NOT THE CASE AT ALL.

I WANT YOU HERE. WE MOVED OUR MEETINGS TO 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON.

I'M NOT SURE IT WAS A GOOD THING FOR THE PUBLIC. IT WAS A GREAT CALL FOR THE CITY AT THE TIME. COME TO THE MEETINGS WHEN YOU CAN.

I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING YOUR LUNCH HOUR TO COME DOWN HERE AND TALK TO US.

YOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB WITH WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY. HOW THAT AFFECTS THE DECISION OF THIS BOARD WHEN WE HAVE TO TURN BACK NOW AND LOOK AT THE ORDINANCES IS A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR EVERY BOARD MEMBER HERE. ALL THE COMMENTS HAVE BEEN GREAT. WHEN YOU'RE DONE SPEAKING SIR, I'LL CALL AN END TO THE PUBLIC PORTION MEETING, AND ALLOW THE DEVELOPER REBUTTAL. I'M HEARING THE SAME MATERIAL OVER AND OVER AGAIN. TIME IS IMPORTANT TO EVERYONE. YOUR NAME.

ADDRESS AND PLEASE SIGN IN. >> JUST START OFF BY SAYING, BASICALLY, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, I SOLD MY HOUSE. I'VE LIVED IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR 27 YEARS.

I'VE SERVED THIS -- SERVICED THIS COUNTY FOR 27 YEARS. MY VISION WAS TO SELL MY HOUSE, AND MOVE IN WITH MY PARENTS, AND HELP ASSIST THERE. AND BUILD AN INLAW HOUSE THERE.

TO HELP THEM THROUGH THEIR PORTION AS THEY'RE GETTING OLDER AND ASSIST WITH THINGS.

WHAT A GREAT COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN. AND YOU KNOW YOU CAN MENTION THE

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WITH THAT SAID, IN THE PLANS RIGHT NOW, WITHIN TWO WEEKS OF SUBMITTING FOR THIS PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND NOW, YES, I'LL ECHO WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID, A SIGN IN THE BUSH GOT THROWN UP OVER THE WEEKEND. IT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL OF US IN THE ROOM.

I'M HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ON, IS THIS A PLACE I WANT TO BUILD A HOUSE? CAN I KNOW MY KIDS CAN SAFELY WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREETS RIGHT NOW.

ISSUES WITH THE SPEEDING VEHICLES. KIDS GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY.

WE'RE ON FOUR ACRES, AND WE KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS. EVERYONE KNOWS EACH OTHER.

WE COMMUNICATE. EVERYONE WAVES. IT'S A SAFE COMMUNITY.

THIS GOES THROUGH AND THE HOUSES AND DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE PROPOSED HERE TODAY, OVER 800 UNITS PUT IN, UP TO 18 OWE, THIS IS THE GONE FOR US. THAT DRAMA AND LAIFL HAD -- DREAM AND LIVELY HOOD, THAT'S GONE. I SEE THE VALUE OF PROPERTIES GOING DOWN. I ECHO A LOT OF WHAT THE FAMILIES HAVE SAID.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.

IF THIS WERE A -- COME BACK FOR A MOMENT. IF THIS WERE A COMMERCIAL, BEING

TALKED ABOUT HERE TODAY, THAT WOULD AFFECT YOUR LIFESTYLE. >> IT WOULD IN WHAT NATURE, SIR?

>> I AM SURE IT WOULD. >> WHAT NATURE? TELL ME.

>> I'M ASKING YOU. I THINK. AND THE COMMENT OF THE PRECAST CONCRETE FACILITY. I ECHO. THE AREA OVER THERE IS

COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL, MUCH OF SELVITZ ROAD IS DEVELOPMENT. >> PLEASE DON'T SPEAK FROM THE

AUDIENCE. >> THANK YOU. AS WE GET IN THE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHERE YOU'RE AT, IT'S MORE RURAL, MORE RESIDENTIAL BACK THERE.

TUCKED IN THE BACK. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA. THIS WILL BE A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR THE BOARD. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO ALLOW THE DEVELOPER

TO COME FORWARD AND REBUTTAL TO COMMENTS MADE BY THE PUBLIC. >> IF I MAY.

KEV FREEMAN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. FROM WHAT I NOTED IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE PORTION OF THE HEARING. AND THE ISSUES THAT I PICKED UP THAT RELATE TO THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT I HEARD CITIZENS MAKE, REGARDING THE TRANSITION OF THE LAND USES AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USES AND THE USES THERE. THE TRAFFIC, THE CAPACITY OF THE TRAFFIC.

THE SCHOOL DISTRICT CAPACITY. WHETHER THAT'S AVAILABLE. THE SUITABILITY OF THE SITE.

MENTION OF DRAINAGE, AND OTHER INDICATIONS OF ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

WHAT I NOTED, THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY ISSUES THAT I NOTED FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENTS TODAY.

>> IT'S ALL IN LAND USE. >> THAT RELATE TO THE PROPOSED PLAT DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THAT

SHOULD BE SPOKEN TO LATER AS WELL. >> WE HAVE THE SIGN FROM MARTY, HE HAS RETIRED, AND I BELIEVE IS -- ALREADY LEFT RECENTLY FOR NORTH CAROLINA.

GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD UP THERE. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A NEW ASSIGNED SCHOOL REPRESENTATIVE?

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>> WE SHOULD, YES. I THINK WE DID HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

REGARDING THE CAPACITY AND EVERYTHING. THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE PACKET. I THINK I SAW SOME COMMENTS. NOT AS ELOQUENT AS MARTY GENERALLY PRESENTED. PERHAPS YOU COULD READ OFF COMMENTS FOR US.

OKAY. REBUTTAL. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

FOR THE RECORD, THE -- I'M NO LAWYER. I DO KIND OF WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE APPLICATION WHICH IS BEING REVIEWED NOW. THE LAND USE AMENDMENT FOR THE 122 ACRES. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE.

THE LAND USE DESCRIBES WHAT THE USES ARE GOING TO BE FOR THE SUBJECT SITE.

WHAT YOU HAVE FROM THE PLANNING PERSPECTIVE IS HIGH INDUSTRIAL. TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE.

EVERYTHING SHADED OUT IN BLUE. THAT'S THE MOST INTENSIVE LAND USE ANYWHERE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. A CEMENT PLANT, BURN TIRES, BUILD -- BUILD EXPLOSIVES. THAT'S THE MOST INTENSE, IT'S NOT RIGHT TO PUT LOW INTENSITY UP NEXT TO INDUSTRIAL. WHEN YOU DO IS DO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

THE WAREHOUSES, THE OFFICES, THE TYPES OF SMALL ENCLOSED MANUFACTURING.

WE LOOKING AT THIS PLAN, LIGHT INDUSTRIAL UP NEXT TO THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL.

FROM THERE, YOU STEP DOWN TO RESIDENTIAL. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TRANSITION, A BUFFER. SO HIGH INTENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, NEXT TO LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, PROVIDES THAT TRANSITION. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE SECTION EIGHT HOUSES. THIS IS A MARKET DEMAND COMMUNITY.

THAT'S PROBABLY A GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT, THREE STORY TYPE O PRODUCT.

NOT SECTION EIGHT, A HIGH QUALITY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNE. THE FOLKS AT FORT PIERCE CENTRAL WILL SEND THEIR KID THIS. WROUL PROBABLY GET TEACHERS LIVING IN THE APARTMENTS.

A GREAT TRANSITION, TO MEMORANDA TO HEAVY DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. WE LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORS, LOW DENSITY IS APPROPRIATE AROUND THERE. THIS IS JUST LAND USE, THIS ALLOWS US TO BE ABLE TO SUBMIT FOR DOES THINK, WHICH YOU'LL -- ZONING, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR AFTER THE APPLICATION. AND THEN A SITE PLAN. SINCE THIS IS OVER 50 ACRES, IT HAS TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE. IT GOES TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA, DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND GET COMMENT FROM THE HEAD PLANNING AGENCY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BEFORE IT CAN COME BACK AND BE MATERIALIZED. THAT'S THE NECESSARY STEP THIS APPLICATION HAS GOT TO TAKE.

I'M CONVINCED WE CAN SATISFY ALL OF THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS WE'VE HEARD TODAY.

I THINK MOST OF THE ISSUES ARE RELATED TO SITE PLANNING. I UNDERSTAND THEY'RE NOT NOTIFIED FOR THE MEETING. THE CITY STAFF HAS FOLLOWED ALL OF THE REGULATIONS AND THE ORDINANCES. WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SEND OUT A COMMUNITY MEETING AND MEET WITH THE RESIDENTS ON OUR OWN TIME AND EXPENSE. THIS IS NOT A SPECULATIVE

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WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ON THE RANGE USE PLAN IS THE BEST WAY. AGAIN, NO CONCERNS WITH THIS APPLICATION, WE'VE HEARD THE CONCERNS FOR RESIDENTS OVER SITE RELATED ISSUES.

HAPPY TO TALK WITH THEM. WE'LL SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THEM.

MOVING THE RECOMMENDATION FORWARD, TO CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY HAS DONE A GREAT JOB.

THEY NEED PLACES TO LIVE, THEY NEED HOUSES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> ANYONE ELSE FROM THE APPLICANT'S TEAM THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? NOT SEEING, I'LL COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.

>> ACTUALLY, TO ANSWER WHAT HIS COMMENT ON CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL, I HAVE KIDS THAT GO TO ST. JOE.

THE SENIORS USED TO HAVE FOR THEIR HERE, A PARKING SPACE. FOR THE WHOLE YEAR FOR THEMSELVES. RIGHT NOW, IT'S DOUBLED. I THINK WE'RE SATURATED ON THAT ONE. WE'RE SATURATED. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL BE IN ANOTHER HIGH SCHOOL, BUT IT'S REALLY RIDICULOUS. PARKING, TRAFFIC IS CRAZY.

ACTUALLY I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR SIGN FOR PEOPLE TO SLOW DOWN. NOTHING IS DONE FOR YEARS.

I AGREE, TO ME, I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH THE RESIDENTS. AS A REAL ESTATE BROKER, OF VALUE, THERE'S NOTHING OF THE PROPERTY VALUE, IT'S NOT WORTH IT.

WITH ALL THE APARTMENTS, DRIVING FOR THE WEEKEND, ALL I SEE IN FORT PIERCE, WHEN I COME BACK, ALL I SEE IS STORAGE. APARTMENT, WHAT A -- WHAT ATTRACT ME TO THIS, NOTHING.

WE HAVE A BUNCH OF TREES AND EVERYTHING. IT'S AN EMPTY PLACE RIGHT NOW.

AND WHEN I COME IN 2005, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. QUIET, MORE LIKE YOU WANT TO LIVE THERE WITH YOUR KIDS. I COME FROM BROWARD TO HERE, I WANT A BETTER LIVING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE -- THAT I USED TO LOVE AND ENJOY, ALSO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE -- NOW TALKING ABOUT MORE APARTMENTS. YOU KNOW, MORE SEWAGE, I DON'T KNOW. BUT TO ME, OF COURSE, [INAUDIBLE].

BUT FOR US, THAT LIVE HERE, I DON'T KNOW. TO ME, IT'S LIKE, WE NEED MORE ATTRACTION OF OTHER STUFF, NOT APARTMENT. EVEN APARTMENT IN STORAGE, WE NEED A BETTER LIVING TOO. WE DON'T LOOK OTHER STUFF, BUT -- IT'S ENOUGH OF ALL THAT, THE STUFF THAT MAKES US WANT TO STAY. WANT TO ENJOY THE SAME THING WE USED TO, IN 2000 SOMETHING. I HOPE EVERYONE GET WHAT THEY WITHIN THE, IT'S A TURN OFF FOR

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THE APARTMENTS. >> BRING UP THE COMMENT IF SCHOOL BOARD, PLEASE.

>> I'LL PUT IT IN THE STAFF MEANT. >> PERHAPS I WAS READING I SAW

SOMETHING. >> JUST AN E-MAIL, IF HE DOES AND SAYS NO COMMENTS, I KNOW --

>> OKAY. MOVING FORWARD, WITH THIS GOES BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, IT'LL NEED TO BE COMMENTS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. WE'VE HEARD PLENTY FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC CONCERNING SCHOOL ISSUES, AND I THINK THAT REALLY DOES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

SATISFACTORY TO THE PUBLIC. MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER IN A MOTION INCLUDING PART OF THE CONDITIONS, I SEE KEVIN NODDING HIS HEAD. PERHAPS THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER WHEN WE'RE READY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE INCLUDE ONE OF THE CONDITIONS ARE THE SCHOOL BOARD COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? NOT HEARING ANY, PERSONALLY, I'M TORN A BIT. AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE DEALING WITH A LAND USE AMENDMENT MAP AMENDMENT ISSUE HERE. AND NOT THE DESIGN CRITERIA OF THE PROJECT.

THEY'RE STEPPING STONES A PROJECT LIKE THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH.

THE DIFFICULTY I THINK I HAVE IN MY MIND, WHEN DEALING WITH THESE SITUATIONS IS EVERY STEPPINGSTONE THAT IS ACHIEVED IS A STEPPING-STONE THAT -- AND I'VE BEEN IN DEVELOPER POSITIONS MYSELF -- A STEPPING-STONE A DEVELOPER CAN TURN BACK AND SAY, LOOK, THIS WAS APPROVED AND THIS WAS APPROVED TO SUBSTANTIALLY DEMONSTRATE THAT THE PROJECT SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD.

SO WHEN I GET IN THE QUANDARIES THAT ARGUING, FIGHTING WITH MYSELF ON AN ISSUE, I FIND MYSELF WONDERING IF THE LAND MAP AMENDMENT, AND EVEN IF WE APPROVE THE LAND MAP AMENDMENT, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE DESIGN ELEMENT IS EVER GOING TO BE APPROVED.

IT'S STILL A STEPPING-STONE WE CAN LOOK BACK TO AND SAY, THIS SUBSTANTIATES THAT WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD. I HAVE A -- ON MY MIND ON THIS. I MADE A NOTE SOMEWHERE HERE.

HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS KICKED AROUND SOMETIMES, AND KICKED AROUND TOO LIGHTLY. YOU MAYBE IT, AN EMPTY CAN WE'RE KICKING DOWN THE ROAD.

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AND I THINK THAT HE'S RIGHT. I'VE HEARD THROUGH SEVERAL OCCASIONS, WE HAVE PROJECTS COMING THROUGH THE BOARD, AND THERE APPEARED THEY WERE HITTING BRICK WALLS AND NOT GOING ANYWHERE, AND WE WOULD ADD IN A CONDITION THAT PUBLIC MEETINGS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE PRESENT LAND OWNERS, THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA AROUND IT, WERE REQUIRED IN THE OUTCOME OF THOSE MEETINGS WAS REQUIRED TO BE PUT IN THE DOCUMENTS AND MOVE FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION, AND THROUGH THOSE EFFORTS, I'VE SEEN EVERLY OF THOSE PROJECTS -- SEVERAL OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT SMOOTH OUT ALL OF A SUDDEN. AND NOT NECESSARILY EVERYONE IS HAPPY, BUT YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE MAJORITY IS HAPPY. BUT I'M STILL KICKING AROUND THIS HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE EXISTING COMMUNITY IN MY MIND. I'M HAVING A STRUGGLE MYSELF, WHETHER OR NOT I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS LAND MAP AMENDMENT. I'LL LEAVE THE BOARD THINK ABOUT IT, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR LAST COMMENT.

AND WE HEARD CASEY'S BEFORE AND I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, DON'T HOLD BACK ON ANYTHING YOU SAY.

SOMETHING THAT YOU SAY, COULD CHANGE THE WHOLE DIRECTION OF THE CONVERSATION.

I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. >> JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

KEEP IN MIND, FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS IS TWO DIFFERENT -- WE HAVE TO TRAU A LINE ON -- DRAW A LINE ON WHERE WE FIRST VOTE IS THE LAND USE. THE SECOND PART IS TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S BROUGHT UP HERE, TRAIFG THE TRAFFIC ON DIFFERENT ROADS AND THE APPLICANTS SAY THE ROADS WILL NOT BE USED. I THE AWAY FROM THERE'S SOMETHING ON THIS MAP SAYING, CHRISTIANSON ROAD IS USED FOR TROIFG ON. -- DRIVING ON.

THERE'S A LOT TO BE TALKING ABOUT. THIS IS THE A LOT OF BITES TO THE APPLE. IF THIS VOTE GOES BY AS LAND USE IS GOOD.

BUT THERE'S A LOT THAT HAS TO BE FIXED BEFORE THEY GET TO A POINT WHERE SOMEONE SAYS YES, AND BULLDOZERS ARE DONE. ALSO, A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP WERE HEART FELT.

NOTHING THIS BOARD HERE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT. I WANT TO GET UP RIGHT NOW AND TALK TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. THERE WERE A LOT OF ISSUES BROUGHT UP.

LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL. I LIVE ACROSS THE STREET. I FEEL YOU, AND KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.

WE'RE A VOLUNTEER BOARD THAT GIVES SUGGESTIONS TO THE COMMISSION.

THE NOTIFICATION OF FORT PIERCE HAS GOT TO GET BETTER AT. EVERYONE HERE WILL SAY YES, WE DO NEED TO GET BETTER WITH ALL NOTIFICATIONS. I LIVE HERE, AND I DON'T GET NOTIFICATIONS ON ANYTHING. IF I DIDN'T GET THE E-MAIL FROM HER, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT. THE TRAFFIC AND INFRASTRUCTURE, ARE DEFINITIVELY A MAJOR THING.

MID WAY ROAD WAS SEVEN YEARS I THINK, LONGER, BUT SEEMED A LOT LONGER.

AND WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO GETTING IT DONE. SOMEONE COMES OUT OF THE COMMUNITY NOW. THIS THING COULD BE BUILT AND WORE DOWN AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING IN LONG BEFORE WE GET ON 95 THROUGH MID WAY ROAD. WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES.

AND I FOR ONE, ASK THE BOARD, WE HEAR WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CONTROL ON SOME OF THAT STUFF. YEAH, IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PUT THAT IN, AS LONG AS THE REST OF THE BITES OF THE APPLE ARE FIXED. THEY DON'T AFFECT THE PEOPLE LIVING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. I DROVE DOWN DIVINE, AND CHRISTIANSON THREE DAYS IN A ROW. I DIDN'T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING, INCLUDING THE SIGN. I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT. THE SIGNS HAVE TO GET BETTER AND THE NOTIFICATION. WE HEAR YOU FOR THAT STUFF. THE OTHER PARTS THAT I STARTED TO TALK ABOUT, DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS SECTION OF THE VOTE.

BUT THE NEXT ONE. THE ACCESS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WHEN YOU HEAR ONE VOTE, IT'S ONE

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WE HAVE NO SAY SO. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TODAY, IF ANYONE DRIVES DOWN DIVINE, WE'RE NOT VOTING YES OR NO OF DRIVING ON DIVINE. THAT'S ALL.

I WANT TO BE CLEAR. IF I SAY YES TO A VOTE, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK, THIS GUY AGREES TO PUT THE BUILDINGS AND HOUSES, THEY'LL DRIVE DOWN DIVINE, IT'S NOT THAT WAY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST BITE. AND THERE'S SEVERAL THEY'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH. BEING ON THIS BOARD SIX MONTHS NOW, I'VE SEEN HOW IT WORKS.

YOU SEE THIS BIG MONSTER THERE, AND BY THE TIME IT'S FIXED, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO GET INVOLVED, IT GETS FIXED. THE LITTLE THINGS. IT'S NOT FALLING ON DEAF EARS, BUT I WOULDN'T WALK AWAY FROM THIS. KEEPING BRINGING IT.

IT DOES ABOUT TO TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE AND EVENTUALLY GETS FIXED.

ZOISHGS -- FIXED. >> ON THE THING, WE CAN PUT IN PLACE, BUT WE CANNOT TRY TO SUIT EVERYONE. WHEN YOU GO THERE, GO BY 4:00. IF YOU'RE THERE ON SELVITZ, YOU CAN SPEND LIKE 50 MINUTES RIGHT THERE. WHY DON'T LIVE AND SEE, IF IT'S REALLY -- SOMETIMES ALL THE PLACES WILL BE PICK UP THE LITTLE PIECES.

AND WE'LL STILL HAVE AN ISSUE THAT'S COMING BACK TO US. OVER AND OVER.

BECAUSE OF THAT LITTLE AMENDMENT TO SUIT THE DEVELOPER OR SOMETHING.

>> ANYONE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? >> A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION TO APPROVE, SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MOTION APPROVED.

[a. Zoning Atlas Map Amendment - Selvitz Road Mixed Use Planned Development - Parcel IDs: 2432-211-0006-000-3, 2432-211-0005-000-6, 2432-343-0001-000-4]

>> NEXT ITEM IS UNDER NEW BUSINESS. MIXED USE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

PARCELS -- ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT - SELVITZ ROAD MIXED USE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT - PARCEL IDS: 2432-211-0006-000-3, 2432-211-0005-000-6, 2432-343-0001-000-4. REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF APPLICATION FOR A ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT OF THREE PARCELS OF LAND TO CHANGE THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION FROM LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE SUBJECT PARCELS, THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED A PRELIMINARY PLAT -- TO DIVIDE THE 122 ACRES INTO 12 SINGLE FAMILY ESTATE LOTS. THE FINAL APPLICATION WAS NEVER SUBMITTED.

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WATER RECLAMATION FACILITY. YOU HAVE THE FLOOD AGENCY. YOU HAVE FORT PIERCE COMMERCIAL.

WHICH IS 108.78 ACRES. YOU HAVE PRECAST CONCRETE MANUFACTURING.

THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2016. YOU HAVE FORT PIERCE CENTRAL HIGH SCHOOL.

YOU HAVE PALM LAKES PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S 88 UNITS.

ANNEXED INTO THE CITY, AND XRAUFD IN 1992. OAK ALLEY, 58 UNITS.

THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2004. AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S A COUNTY INDUSTRIAL USE, IN THIS SMALL AREA HERE. YOU HAVE AR 1, THAT'S AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL COUNTY.

AND RE 2. RESIDENTIAL ESTATE, TWO PER ACRE.

OPEN SPACE COUNTY, AND ALSO OWN CITY AND COUNTY AR 1. WHICH IS AGRICULTURAL PER ACRE AND AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ONE UNIT PER ACRE TO THE SOUTH. THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DETENTIONTY. WE JUST -- DENSITY. WE JUST RECEIVED -- THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE AND THE APPLICANTS ARE PREPARING THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PD. BEFORE YOU IS THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE FIVE DIFFERENT PODS.

POD ONE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, TOWN HOMES AND VILLAS.

WE HAVE POD TWO. YOU HAVE POD THREE, THAT'S THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS. POD FOUR, THAT'S LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, THAT COULD YOU RV AND BOAT SELF-STORAGE. AND POD FIVE, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL POD.

THE SITE DATA FOR THE CONCEPT PLAN INCLUDES THE PROPOSED 799 UNITS -- 6.5 PRETTY MUCH COMPATIBLE WITHOUT A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FUTURE LAND USE. AND YOU CAN SEE FOR POD ONE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FOR 111 UNITS. POD TWO, 74.

POD THREE, 325. POD FOUR, THE MINIMUM COVERAGE IS 80%.

THE ZONING RESIDENTIAL, TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR THE ASSOCIATED COMPLEX, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST WITH 16 CONDITIONS. ONE, IF THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO PHASE THE PROJECT DUE TO THE FUTURE SELLING OR LEAFING OF ALL PORTIONS OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT LIKE LAND AREAS AND DWELLING UNITS, THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FINAL SITE PLANS MUST ADHERE TO THE CITY CODE SECTIONS -- PHASING WHEN PROVISIONS ARE PHASING ARE INCLUDED IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, EACH PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT MOUB SO PLANNED AND

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CODE OF ORDINANCES AND BE SUBJECT TO THE GENERAL STANDARDS FOR APPROVAL OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT ZONING. SITE PLAN, A STATE WETLAND JURISDICTIONAL DETERMINATION SHALL BE CONDUCTED TO DETERMINE THE EXACT BOUNDARIES OF THE WETLANDS LOCATED ON SITE. FURTHER WETLAND EVALUATION AND ASSESSMENT SHALL BE CONDUCTED TO FURTHER DETERMINE MITIGATION OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR THIS SITE.

SURVEY SHALL BE CARRIED OUT ON SITE.

PRIOR TO SUBMITTAL OF FINAL PD SITE PLAN, AND IF REQUIRED BY THE USFWS (US FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE), A WOOD STORK FORAGING HABITAT ASSESSMENT SHALL BE CARRIED OUT ON SITE.

SHALL BE SUBMITTED AT TIME OF FINAL PD SITE PLAN.

THE FINAL PD SITE PLAN SHALL BE IN UNIFIED CONTROL AND PROPERTY OWNERSHIP. ALL LAND INTENDED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE UNDER THE LEGAL CONTROL OF THE APPLICANT.

THE BUILDINGS AND STREETSCAPES INCLUDING STANDARDS FOR HEIGHT, BUILDING COVERAGE, PARKING AREAS, AND PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED FOR EACH PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE TOTAL NUMBER AND TYPE OF DWELLING UNITS; PARCEL SIZES; PROPOSED LOT COVERAGE OF BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES; RESIDENTIAL GROSS DENSITIES; TOTAL AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE; AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF NONRESIDENTIAL ACREAGE.

THE FINAL PD SITE PLAN SHALL INCLUDE ALL AGREEMENTS, PROVISIONS AND COVENANTS WHICH GOVERN THE USE, MAINTENANCE, AND CONTINUED PROTECTION OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND ANY OF ITS COMMON OPEN SPACE OR OTHER SHARED AREAS. THIS MATERIAL SHALL INCLUDE MATERIAL WHICH BINDS SUCCESSORS IN TITLE TO ANY COMMITMENTS CONCERNING COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT AND ITS MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION. CONTAIN THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION, AT MINIMUM: A. A LANDSCAPE AND IRRIGATION PLAN PER SECTION 125-314. C. OF THE CITY ORDINANCE. B. PROPOSED LOT LINES AND OTHER DIVISIONS OF LAND FOR MANAGEMENT, USE OR ALLOCATION PURPOSES. C. THE LOCATION, SIZE AND HEIGHT OF PRESENT AND PROPOSED BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. D. THE LOCATION AND SIZE OF ALL AREAS PROPOSED TO BE CONVEYED, DEDICATED, OR RESERVED FOR STREETS, PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, PUBLIC AND SEMI-PUBLIC BUILDINGS, AND SIMILAR USES. E. THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED VEHICULAR CIRCULATION SYSTEM, INCLUDING OFF-STREET PARKING, AND LOADING AREAS. F. THE PEDESTRIAN

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A UNITY OF TITLE WITH THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS AND A PARCEL COMBINATION WITH THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER SHALL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY BUILDING PERMIT. TITLE AND LOT COMBINATION, A GENERAL ADDRESS REQUEST FORM FOR THE NEWLY CREATED PARCEL ID AND FOR ANY AND EACH PROPOSED BUILDING AND RESIDENTIAL UNIT SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE REASONS FOR STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, CONSISTENT WITH THE SECTION 925 TO 12, AND CITY CODE AND PLAN. AND DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND PUBLIC WELFARE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. YOU DID THAT WITHOUT A BREATH. I THINK THAT LISTENING TO VENNIS GILMORE, BREATHE A LIST OF CONDITIONS, ATTACHED TO THIS NEXT PHASE.

SHOULD DEMONSTRATE THAT THE CITY DOES TRY TO DO A GOOD JOB AT PROTECTING CITIZENS AND EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS. MUCH OF WHAT HE READ WAS DIRECTLY PUT TOGETHER DIRECTLY TO PROTECT CITIZENS IN AND AROUND LOCAL AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT.

I DON'T WANT TO MAKE LIGHT OF THAT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPOKE NOW, THANK YOU. YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER. IS THERE ANY COMMENT FROM THE BARD, OR QUESTIONS FOR -- BOARD OR QUESTIONS FOR VENNIS? NOT HEARING ANY.

I'LL MOVE FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, ONCE AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAME, AND SIGN IN, AND YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE

YOU'RE MOVING UP, DID I FORGET SOMETHING? >> THE APPLICANT.

>> OH, YES. WOULD THE APPLICANT STEP FORWARD.

>> STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIGN IN. >> I'M REPRESENTI I ING THE APPLICANT. THE SAME POWER POINT PRESENTATION.

I DO BELIEVE THE CITY STAFF DOES A GREAT JOB OF PROTECTING THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. THIS WAS HIGHLY SCRUTINIZED AND I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT, THIS BUBBLE PLAN WITH ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT COME WITH THE SITE PLAN OR THIS PD PLAN ARE PROVIDING A FRAME WORK FOR US TO LATER COME IN WITH A DETAILED SITE PLAN.

MEETING THE CONDITIONS, WE 100% AGREE ON THE CONDITIONS THAT VENNIS READ OUT.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIELD THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, AND WORK OUT LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING EARLIER THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND PROVIDE THE MOST LOGICAL -- THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. THE DETAILS ARE FURTHER SCRUTINIZED IN THE FUTURE, BUT THIS IS GIVING US A FRAME WORK TO COME IN WITH THOSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? COME FORWARD AND SPEAK TO THIS. >> I'M CONFUSED, WHAT YOU'RE

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WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO? >> NO.

PERHAPS THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO EXPLAIN THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING.

>> THANK YOU. >> WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU NOW, IS AN OUTLINE, A CLAM DRAWING OF AREAS OF THE PROPERTY THAT THE APPLICANT IS SUGGESTING WILL BE USED FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT. THE INDUSTRIAL, THE APARTMENT AREA AND THE SINGLE FAMILY USE.

IF THAT'S APPROVED TODAY IN TERMS OF THE CONCEPT PLAN, THEY'LL HAVE TO COME BACK LATER AND HAVE VERY DETAILED SITE PLAN. WHICH SHOWS IN GREAT DETAIL, EACH LOT, EACH ROADWAY, HOW THE DRAINAGE WORKS, WHERE THE ACCESS IS COMING FROM, TO DEMONSTRATE IF THEY NEED TO DEDICATE PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY TO FACILITATE ROADWAY.

TO ENSURE THERE'S NO PUBLIC ACCESS ON THE ROADWAYS NORTH OR SOUTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

FURTHER ISSUES FROM TODAY THE STAFF HAS NOTED, AND THEY'LL BE MAKING THE COMMENTS TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY COME IN WITH A SITE PLAN. THIS IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT MEANS THE APPLICANT WILL BE SUBJECT TO SIGNIFICANT REVIEW THROUGH NOT ONLY THE CITY, STAFF, BUT EXTERNAL AGENCIES AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THE FIRE DISTRICT, THE COUNTY HIGHWAYS. THE UTILITIES.

AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT COMES WITH A SITE PLAN. YOU'LL HAVE MORE DETAIL ON THAT.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS WILL COME BACK THROUGH THE SAME SYSTEM. A PUBLIC HEARING IN THE PLANNING BOARD. THAT'LL GO TO CITY COMMISSION FOR TWO READINGS.

TWO HEARINGS. NOT WITH STANDING THIS, WILL ALSO GO TO CITY COMMISSION, TWICE. SUBSEQUENT HEARINGS BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE LAYOUT.

>> I THINK THAT WAS CLOSURE. -- CLEAR. >> CLEAR AT MUD.

>> WHAT I SHOULD SAY THEN, THIS IS NOT THE FINAL PART OF THE PROCESS.

THERE'LL BE AT LEAST AFTER THIS FIVE MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS. AT LEAST.

>> BESIDES THE INTERNAL HEARINGS THROUGH TECHNICAL REVIEW, CAN INCLUDING THE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY. MANY DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTY. I THINK IN DEALING WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THAN THE COUNTY, FORT PIERCE DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB.

I TRY NOT TO HAVE EXPERIENCES WITH THE COUNTY. AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

OKAY, ANYONE ELSE? >> YOU DON'T NEED TO SIGN IN. >> I'M MICKEY.

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WE DON'T SPEAK LEGALESE LIKE YOU DO. OUR CONCERNS ARE THIS IS ALREADY BEEN PICKED ACROSS, SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO. THIS IS WHAT WAS PROPOSED, IT WAS SHOT DOWN AND THEY NEVER TURNED IT IN, IT'S NOT PROFITABLE.

THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE PROFITABLE, BECAUSE COWS ARE NOT.

THAT'S WHAT IN THIS LOT RIGHT NOW. THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY.

IN DOING SO, SECRETLY TRYING TO CHANGE THE ZONING WITHOUT A RESIDENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA KNOW THIS, BUT PUTTING UP A DOUBLE SIDED SIGN, I SAW THE ONE ON SELVITZ.

DOING THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU DON'T SEE IT. STOPPING, WHERE NO ONE STOPS ON THE ROAD, TAKING A PICTURE, THAT'S A DOUBLE SIDED SIGN. FACES BOTH WAYS.

IT WAS DONE THIS WAY FOR A REASON. IT WAS SHUT DOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME, AND PROBABLY THIS TIME. I THINK ONLY THREE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE THEN ARE NOW HERE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR VOTES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP. BUT THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS IS NOT GOING TO WORK. THE RANCHETTES, ARE THE WAY TO GO.

THE PREVIOUS COMMUNITIES ARE ALREADY FIGURING THAT OUT. WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS.

THANK YOU. >> HELLO AGAIN. JEAN.

IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH DIVINE ROAD, IT COMES OFF 25TH, AND CURVES AND TURNS INTO JORGESON.

I'M CURIOUS HOW THAT'LL AFFECT END OF DIVINE THAT RUNS INTO CHRISTIANSON, AND AFFECTS THE CANAL THAT RUNS ALONG THAT. I WANT TO CONFIRM, AGAIN, ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENT WITH THIS RULING WITH HOW THINGS CHANGE IN THE FUTURE. WILL THERE BE A NOTIFICATION OF THE FUTURE FIVE HEARINGS, WILL IT BE IN WRITING OR MORE SIGNS THAT WE CAN'T SEE? WHAT'S THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED HAD THEY BEEN MET OR WILL BE MET IN THE

FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING?

>> HELLO AGAIN. I HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE PLAN THERE.

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>> YES, WE HAVE THAT DIMENSION? >> IT'S QUITE NARROW. >> POD TWO.

>> YES, PLEASE. >> 115 FEET. THANK YOU.

AND THEN, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE GREEN WAYS AS DESCRIBED IN THE POWER POINTS.

I KNOW THE ROAD STATED THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE GREEN WAYS THERE, AND THAT WAS IN QUESTION THERE.

AS FAR AS -- THEY MENTIONED SOMETHING IN THE PAPER WORK THERE.

A GREEN WAY FOR IMMUNE USE, THAT'S A -- COMMUNITY USE, THAT'S A JOKE.

I'M NOT IF I'M SUPPOSED TO HAVE ASSESS. THERE'S NO ACCESS FOR -- NOT EVEN FOR THING THE. -- FOR THE DOG THERE. HE'S ONE THAT ANNEXED THE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND THE COUNTY WOULDN'T TAKE IT ON. YOU'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS FOR THE BARD, I'M ASKING -- BOARD, I'M ASKING WHEN YOU MAKE THIS DECISION, NOT TO TAKE IT INTO REGARDS FOR THE DOLLAR THAT YOU'RE BRINGING TO THE CITY. REMEMBER, YOUR POLICY THAT YOU HAVE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE, 1.1.3, THAT AGAIN STATES, THE CITY SHALL ENSURE THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION, THAT STATES IF THE POLICY, BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE ADJACENT LAND USE IN AND OUTSIDE THE CITY BOUNDARIES. HE ANNEXED IT IN, IT'S STILL THE COUNTY OUT THERE, NOW BELONGS TO THE CITY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S OUT THERE AND YOUR JURISDICTION NOW, IT'S STILL OUR COUNTY AREA, THAT'S STILL COUNTRY WIDE. COUNTRY AREA. AND STILL HAVE THE POLICY THAT YOU HAVE YOUR FUTURE LAND USE. PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU ENFORCE THAT.

THAT'S THE BLACK AND WHITE WE HAVE TO ENFORCE. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> HOPEFULLY YOU CAN READ THE DOCUMENT THAT I'VE SUBMITTED TO TESTIMONY FOR THIS EVENT. I'M CONCERNED WITH PODS ONE AND TWO.

POD TWO HAS A LOT OF DENSITY AND THAT'S DEFINITIVELY COMING OUT OF CHRISTIANSON ROAD.

AND I WANT YOU TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT. AND ON POD TWO, THEY HAVE NO INDICATIONS OF WHERE THE TRAFFIC WILL BE GOING. IF IT GOES OUT TO SELVITZ, BUT WITH THAT MUCH ON DIVINE, EXIT PEOPLE ON THAT ROAD. THOSE ARE MY TWO MAIN CONCERNS.

AND I'M CONCERNED WITH THE DEVELOPERS THAT COME IN BUILD THE HIGH DENSITY AREAS, AND THEY MAKE TONS OF MONEY AND MAKE BAIL AND THE TAXPAYERS ARE LEFT WITH THE CONGESTION AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT GOES WITH THEM. WE DON'T WANT TO BE -- ALL THE PEOPLE WHO COME HERE BECAUSE

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THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. AGAIN I'LL ALLOW THE DEVELOPER REBUTTAL.

>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A COUPLE POINTS I'D LIKE TO MAKE ON THE COMMENTS THAT WERE RAISED BY THE PUBLIC. I BELIEVE THE FIRST ONE WAS -- I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS I GUESS IMPLICMPLICATED, WE POS THE SIGNS AND WE DID IT IN A DISCREET WAY SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T COME TO THE MEETING, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. THE CITY'S VENDOR POSTED THE SIGNS. WE HAD NO IDEA WHERE THE SIGNS WOULD BE LOCATED.

I CALLED THE CITY, DID WE ADVERTISE FOR THE MEETING. I WANTED TO PUT THAT POINT ON THE RECORD. THE DEVELOPER DOESN'T HAVE TO HOLD A COMMUNITY MEETING.

I STATED ON THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT WE WANT A MEETING, WE WANT TO MEET THE NEIGHBORS AND SHARE OUR PLANS WITH THEM. WE THINK THE ROUGH EDGES CAN BE SMOOTHED OUT WHEN WE ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE DESIGNED AT. RESIDENT NUMBER THREE, I FORGOT THE LADY'S NAME, I'M SORRY.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ACCESS ON TO DIVINE ROAD. WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING THE ACCESS ON TO DIVINE ROAD. THERE'S ALREADY ACCESS OFF OF CHRISTIANSON ROAD NOW.

AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE EAST, THAT ROAD ALREADY EXISTS.

THE MAJORITY OF THE ACCESS IS COMING OFF OF SELVITZ ROAD. ANY OF THE HIGH DENSITY OR MEDIUM TENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND WHERE THE COMMUNITY ACCESS WILL BE.

I WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. AND LASTLY, THE LAST RESIDENT WHO SPOKE ABOUT PODS ONE AND TWO, AND THE DENSITY COMING OFF OF CHRISTIANSON. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ASSESS THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST OFF OF CHRISTIANSON NOW. UNTIL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES IT. IF THEY REQUIRE US TO PUT A -- WE'LL DO IT, FOR FIRE AND SAFETY. BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ACCESS. THAT STRIP YOU SEE ON CHRISTIANSON ROAD, THAT WE JUST LOOKED AT, THAT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

WE SPECIFICALLY HAVE IT AS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, WE WANTED TO RESPECT OUR NEIGHBORS IN THE COUNTY TO THE EAST, THIS PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TODAY, THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, WITH THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL TO THE NORTH. THAT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE DESIGNED IN A WAY WHERE YOU CAN HAVE A STORE FRONT UP FRONT AND STORAGE IN THE BACK. YOUR PLUMBER OR ELECTRICIAN, AN OFFICE UP FRONT AND THE BACK STORAGE. THAT'S THE ENVISION FOR THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL. THE APARTMENTS ARE APARTMENTS. THREE STORY, GARDEN STYLE APARTMENTS. IT'S A GOOD USE WHEN YOU LOOK TO THE WEST OF SELVITZ, PUBLIC FACILITIES AND LAND USE. HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, THOSE APARTMENTS ARE NEEDED.

THE APARTMENTS ARE WHAT THE TRANSITION FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO THE PD.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PD, THE LARGER PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL BUT DESIGNED IN THE WAY OF PALM LAKES. THAT'LL BE A SEPARATE PD TO COME THROUGH HERE, AND BE A HIGH QUALITY GATED COMMUNITY. NOT SECTION EIGHT.

WE MEET EVERY REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY'S COMP PLAN. THIS PLAN BEFORE YOU, IS PLANNING AT A HIGH LEVEL YOU HAVE TO SET THE STAGE TO COME AND SUBMIT FOR THE SITE PLAN.

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AFTERNOON, AND HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. >> THERE WAS A COMMENT BY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS THAT HAD A CONCERN OF HOW YOU WOULD CONTACT THE RESIDENTS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY MEETING. WOULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO THAT?

>> BE HAPPY. WITH THE BOARD'S PERMISSION, I WOULD LIKE TO CONTACT THE COUNTY APPRAISERS AND -- AROUND THE SITE, AND SEND OUT A PUBLIC NOTICE LETTER, GIVE A COPY TO THE STAFF AND THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR, AND WILL ALSO WITH THE CHAIR'S APPROVAL, GET EVERYONE'S ADDRESS ON THE LIST AND DO A DIRECT MAILING TO THEM, ALSO.

>> OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO BE SENT SHE CERTAIN -- CERTAIN THAT WE DRAFT THAT IN THE 13 POSITIONS? 16 CONDITIONS. OF COURSE, IN THE 16 CONDITIONS, LET'S BE HONEST THAT MANY ARE REGURGITATING THE CODE WHAT HAS TO BE DONE ANYWAY.

I'D LIKE TO BE CERTAIN THAT WE PUT LANGUAGE IN THAT, DESCRIBING WHAT YOUR VISION IS OF HOW YOU'LL CONTACT RESIDENTS AND THAT YOU WILL HAVE THE MEETING AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO REQUIRE THAT THE OUTCOME OF THAT MEETING, MINUTES OF THE MEETING WITH THE PUBLIC BE PART OF THE PACKAGE GOING TO THE COMMISSION TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT WAS DONE AND HOW WELL YOU DID.

>> BE HAPPY TO DO THAT. >> I'D LIKE TO GET A COPY OF THAT WHEN IT WAS DONE AS WELL, AS CHAIR. IF I'M NOT HAPPY I CAN COME AND TALK TO THE COMMISSIONERS BEFORE

THE MEETING. >> COULD I CLARIFY WITH THE APPLICANT THE WIRED TIME LINE -- REQUIRED TIME LINE, AND THAT BE DONE PRIOR TO THE NEXT, WHATEVER THE CITY COMMISSION HEARING IS

SET. >> I WOULD THINK SO. HOWEVER QUICK, THIS IS THE A LOT OF WORK -- THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT SOMEONE IS DOING, TO GET IT TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S REALLY READY FOR THE COMMISSION, TO BE IN A FORM THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED MORE DEEPLY.

AND IT MAY REQUIRE MORE THAN ONE MEETING. YOU HAVE RESIDENTS HERE THAT ARE SO UNHAPPY. I HOPE SHE UNDERSTANDS WE WANT HAVE PEOPLE HOLLERING OUT FROM THE AUDIENCE, EITHER. LET'S BE CERTAIN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE RIGHT WAY.

AND I TRUST THAT YOU KNOW. I HAVE SEEN TWO HANDS POP UP, AND I'LL DO SOMETHING I DON'T LADIES COME BACK FORWARD AND - SPEAK. IF THEY SAY SOMETHING YOU WANT TO REBUT, I'LL ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT. I SEE TWO HANDS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PROPERTY ON CHRISTIANSON ROAD,

BE INCLUDED IN THE MEETING. >> CHRISTIANSON ROAD IS A FAIRLY LONG ROAD.

>> A THOUSAND FEET. >> I DON'T VISUALIZE THAT INCLUDING EVERYON ON THE ROAD.

>> I DON'T THINK THE GENTLEMEN WILL HAVE A DIFFICULT TIME WITH THAT.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE SAME MEETING NOTES. >> I'M THINKING ANYONE ATTENDS

THE MEETING TO GET THE MINUTES. >> AND I'LL MAKE SURE ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE NOTIFIED.

>> AND I BET YOU WILL, TOO. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE? VERY GOOD.

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I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> DIVINE ROAD. >> SIR, SPEAK TO THE BOARD. >> THE QUESTION I HAVE IS HE SAID THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL IS BETWEEN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? BUT BUT THAT GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THAT PROPERTY? THAT DUST IS BLOWING ON ALL OF THE RESIDENTS AND EVERYTHING. I WALK MY DOG AND I SEE IT EVERY DAY DAY.

>> I HAVE WITNESSED SOME OF IT MYSELF. >> THANK YOU.

KEVIN IS ALREADY NODDING HIS HEAD. OKAY, TOTALLY CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THIS MEETING. WE'RE DONE. BOARD, ANY COMMENTS OR

QUESTIONS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT AS SOMEONE WHO USED TO HAVE THIS VISION OF FORT PIERCE OF BEING THIS SMALL CITY THAT DIDN'T GROW AS MUCH, AND ENJOYING THE BEAUTIFUL SURROUNDINGS THAT WE DO HAVE, THAT WAS A THOUGHT BACK THEN.

AS I EDUCATE MYSELF ON HOW CITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO GROW, WE HAVE TO GROW AS A CITY.

REGARDLESS OF HOW WE'RE GROWING AND HOW MUCH WE DON'T WANT CERTAIN AREAS TO GROW OVERALL, THE CITY HAS TO GROW. WE'RE NOT LOOKING AS PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS AS THIS AS NUMBERS. AND DOLLARS. WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS NUMBERS AS IN HOUSING FOR PEOPLE. REGARDLESS OF WHO'LL HOUSE THE HOMES OR APARTMENTS.

WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IN HOUSING NUMBERS. THAT'S ALREADY STORAGE NOW.

ON KINGS HIGHWAY. >> GOING HALF A MILL, ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO.

IT'S GONE. I SHARE THAT SAME FEELING AS WELL.

BUT THE DEVELOPERS SEEM TO WANT TO WORK HAND IN HAND. AND I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S MANY BUFFERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOT A FORM OF INVASION OF PRIVACY, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES FLOW WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND IT'S NOT AN EYESORE OR ANOTHER -- THAT'S WHAT I DREAD AS A RESIDENT OF FORT PIERCE AS WELL. WE DON'T BECOME ANOTHER ONE.

>> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? >> MY CONCERN REALLY ON THAT KIND OF STUFF, IT'S WHEN YOU HAVE PROPERTY, AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF APARTMENT, ESPECIALLY -- AND NOT ONLY A PRIVACY MATTER, IT'S HOW CAN I PUT IT. YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT

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IT'S THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, IT'S THE SEWER SYSTEM, THAT HAVE TO FIX, ANY WATER YOU GET IN THEED, IT'S -- FLOODED, AND HOW YOU THINK THAT'S AFFECTING USS MOUNT AS WELL.

THE TWORPS COME -- DEVELOPERS COME PUZZ THEY HAVE THE -- BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER.

IT'S DOUBLED. THE KIDS -- THE SENIORS CAN HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING, TOLD THEM THIS YEAR WAS THE LAST YOUR. IT'S DOUBLED. THINK ABOUT 700, 800 PEOPLE THAT COME WITH KIDS, WHERE WILL WE PUT THEM? DO WE THINK ABOUT THIS STUFF? HOW LONG IT'LL TAKE? IT'S A COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO SEE IT AS A COMMUNITY, NOT A DEVELOPER, BECAUSE THEY COME TO MAKE THE MONEY.

BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH OF THAT. >> TO ECHO ON WHAT SHE SAID. GIVING AWAY MY OPINION ON THIS.

THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD SITE BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE RIGHT AREA.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND IT IS NOT THERE. EVEN IF WE DO EVERYTHING ON SALVAGE, YOU SALVAGE THE EDWARDS, THEY'RE NOT READY ON THAT END AT ALL.

MID WAY IS ANOTHER TEN YEARS OF WORKING, IT COULD BE A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, JUST NEEDS TO BE PICKED UP AND PUT SOMEWHERE ELSE IN MY OPINION. OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

BUT HAVING ALL THAT TRAFFIC, I DON'T THINK THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS READY FOR IT.

AS I LOOK AT THIS MAP, I ALSO HINK ABOUT THIS DRAWING, I CAN SEE THE PEOPLE IN THE APARTMENTS CUTTING THROUGH, OR THE HOUSES TOO, CUTTING THROUGH TO THE HIGH SCHOOL.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THERE TO -- MAYBE A TO GET THROUGH, SO THEY'RE NOT CUTTING THROUGH OAK ALLEY TO GET TO HIGH SCHOOL. BUT THAT'S NOT AN APPLE BITE, I

UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. >> INFRASTRUCTURE IS IMPORTANT.

AND WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT HERE. >> BIG ONE.

>> IF I MAY, THE DEVELOPER HAS TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE TO IMPROVE THE ROADS AND BRING IN THE WATER AND SEWER. THERE'S A HUGE CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

>> THIS IS PAST THE AREA OF 1,000 FEET EACH WAY. >> WHERE EDWARDSON, SELVITZ IS NOT READY FOR IT THERE. WE'RE NOT READY FOR IT ON MID WAY.

WE'RE NOT READY. THE CITY, THE COUNTY -- >> DOCUMENTS WERE THAT THE POOR CONDITIONS OF MID WAY ROAD AND I THINK A COUPLE OF OTHER ROADS MENTIONED, WERE NOT THE CONCERNS OF THE DEVELOPER, THAT'S THE CONCERNS OF THE COUNTY OR CITY, THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT SERVE THE ROADS. THE DOCUMENT, AND YOU'RE NOT THE WRITER OF IT, THE DOCUMENT WAS CORRECT IN WHAT IT SAID, BUT IT REALLY RUBBED THE WRONG WAY. BUT THIS IS I THINK, WHAT JOHN

IS TRYING TO ALLUDE TO. >> YOU'RE SAYING IT ELOQUENTLY. >> AND --

>> NOT A FILTER. >> IT'S AN ISSUE. AND TAXES DON'T PAY FOR -- BEEN

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EVEN THE IMPACT FEES ARE AT THE LEVEL NOW, THAT WOULD FIX SERVICE ROAD.

IF IT WAS OUR ROAD TO FIX, AND IT'S NOT. THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. THAT'S A COUNTY ROAD. MID WAY ROAD IS NOT PLANNED.

THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A MAN FOR MID WAY ROAD BETWEEN SELVITZ ROAD AND 95.

>> 2035. ROADS AND TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM. BUT, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD

WITH THIS TO MAKE A DECISION. ANYONE ELSE? >> QUESTION FOR STAFF.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE STAFF PRESENTATION, THE APPROVAL PAGE.

THE PAGE WHERE YOU INDICATE THE ACTION IS TAKEN BY THE BOARD. I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING.

WE'RE VOTING ON ZONING ATLAS MAP. ARE WE VOTING TO APPROVE THIS

CONCEPT PLAN? >> THE CITY CODE REQUIRES WE HAVE A SITE PLAN.

>> AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A SITE PLAN APPROVAL? THE DETAILS ARE WORKED OUT? BUT THE CONCEPT AS DRAWN ON THE COLOR CODED MAP, THE APPLICANT CAN COME BACK AND SAY, I KNOW YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS CORNER OR AREA. BUT WE ALREADY HAD IT APPROVED IN CONCEPT. THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. IF WE ARE GOING TO BE VOTING ON APPROVING THAT CONCEPT, I WOULD -- I INTEND TO VOTE NO. BUT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT IF YOU COULD STEP FORWARD AGAIN. ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SPOKE ABOUT THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE, THE POD, YOU SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT THE NECESSITY OF HAVING THE BUFFER.

BUT YOU'RE OWN PLAN DOESN'T EXTEND THE BUFFER ALL THE WAY ACROSS TO CONTINUALLY INSULATE YOUR RESIDENTIAL AREA FROM THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL PLAN TO THE NORTH AND I'M TRYING TO

UNDERSTAND WHY. >> THERE'S A 25 FOOT BUFFER THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY ACROSS THAT PD SECTION IN ORANGE. SO, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT BUFFER, IN THAT LOCATION, 25 FEET IS PRETTY GOOD. HOWEVER, IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND CARRYING THAT LIGHT INDUSTRIAL THROUGH, OR PROVIDING A DRAINAGE OR LAKE OR SOMETHING ON THOSE LINES, ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE, WHAT WE WANT TO CONSIDER AND DEVELOP.

THAT PD PLAN THAT'LL RESEMBLE OAK ALLEY, WILL NEED TO COME BACK THROUGH THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL. WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S A -- OR DRAINAGE AREA, ALL OF THOSE POINTS CAN BE WORKED OUT. BECAUSE WE'RE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CONCRETE PLANT, THAT AREA IS NOT AS -- IT DOESN'T REQUIRE AS MUCH OF A BUFFER IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL AREA AS YOU SEE TO

THE WEST. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT POD TWO. YOU HAVE IT LISTED AS A LOW DENSITY.

YOU FOCUSED IN ON THAT EARLIER. WE HAVE THE AREA DRAWN OUT, SO, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A POINT OF MAJOR CONCERN FOR SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE IN THE MEETING. BUT, WE DON'T HAVE IT BROKEN OUT FOR US, AS TO THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE COULD EXPECT TO SEE IN POD TWO.

ARE -- DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION YOU COULD PRESENT TO US?

>> I DO. IT'S PART OF THE ZONING REGULATIONS, BUT IT'S LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, IT MATCHES THE LOW DENSITY TO THE EAST. THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S THE SAME

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ONE OF THE RESIDENTS MADE THE COMMENT OF WHO IS THE LENGTH. IT'S 115 FEET.

200 BY 200 IS ROUGHLY AN ACRE. THAT STRIP WAS DONE JUST FOR THE RESIDENT.

LONG TIME RESIDENT, THAT'S WHY THE TECHNICIAN WAS MADE. -- THE DECISION WAS MADE.

>> YOU ALSO SPOKE EARLIER OF THE PLANNED TWOMENT BEING -- DEVELOPMENT BEING A GATED

COMMUNITY, IS THAT THE DESIGN INTENT? >> IT IS.

>> INCLUDE POD TWO? >> NO, THAT'S THE STANDARD SINGLE FAMILY TYPE LOTS THAT ANY BUILDER WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND PLAT. EITHER A HALF WEAKER --

>> DRIVEWAY ACCESS. SIMILAR TO THE EAST SIDE. THE GATED COMMUNITY WITH THE ACCESS OFF OF SELVITZ, THAT'S THE TYPICAL GATED ENTRANCE. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE INFRASTRUCTURE CONCERNS IN FORT PIERCE WITH DRAINAGE, AND THOSE THINGS, THESE PROJECTS HELP THE SURROUNDING IMPACTS OF THE COMMUNITIES. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK NOT JUST AT OUR SITE, BUT HOW THE IMPACTS AFFECT THE AREA AROUND IT. AND THAT'S DETAILED IN THE SITE

PLAN PROCESS. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING IT COMPLETELY. IT'S BEFORE AN A DIFFICULT PROJECT TO WORK THROUGH. UP TO THIS POINT. LET'S NOT FORGET ANYTHING.

THE COMMENTS THAT YOU GET BACK, ARE THEY ACCEPTABLE? >> I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE CONSIDERATION WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE. I THINK THERE'S BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT A BIT BETTER. IT'S HARD TO SEE WITHOUT THE SITE PLAN AND DETAIL. CONSIDERING WHAT WE KNOW THE SURROUNDING AREA TO THE NORTH --

>> I THINK I CAN FREELY SAY THIS, I HAVE HEARD IT ECHOED FROM THE COMMISSIONER MEETINGS MORE THAN ONCE. CONCERNING THE FACT THAT -- ECHOED FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD A COUPLE OF TIMES CONCERNING THE CONCRETE PLANT THAT'S EXISTING. YOU JUST MENTIONED IT IN YOUR DISCUSSION. I BELIEVE THAT IF THIS CITY HAD IT TO DO ALL OVER AGAIN AND THAT PROJECT WAS COMING BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION TODAY, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE DENIED.

IT WOULD PROBABLY BE RECOMMENDED DENIAL FROM THIS BOARD AS WELL. KEVIN, YOU WERE NOT HERE WHEN THAT WENT ON. YOU WERE HERE, YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

YOU'RE PROBABLY THE REAL SENIOR SENIOR PERSON BACK THERE NEXT TO ALICIA.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD HAVE APPROVED THAT PLANT TODAY, KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW, VERSUS WHAT WE WERE TOLD. AT THE TIME. AND WHAT I JUST SAID, I THINK ALSO ECHOES SOMETHING A YOUNG LADY IN THE AUDIENCE SAID EARLIER TODAY, DON'T TELL US YOU'LL BUT IN ORANGES AND THEN TURN AROUND AND PUT APPLES. BUT THE CONCRETE PLANT IS A PROBLEM. IT'S A PROBLEM WITH -- FROM THE ALLEY STILL.

IT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL. AND IT'LL BE A PROBLEM IN YOUR

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IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE ALL RECOGNIZE. AND SOMEONE SAID THAT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT HOURS IT OPERATES AND NO, WE DON'T KNOW. THAT CAME UP NOT LONG AGO IN A COMMISSIONER MEETING. MORE OF A BUFFER AND ALONG THE INDUSTRIAL LINE IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED MOVING FORWARD.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION, IS THAT A CANAL? >> YES.

CANAL 101. >> IT'S ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS, I'LL TRY TO STAY AWAY FROM NOW. I THINK WE'VE BEAT THIS THING UP, AND I'M READY FOR A MOTION.

>> I MOVE WITH A MOTION WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE ADDED CONDITION THEY HAVE AN IMMUNITY MEETING

WITH THE RESIDENTS -- COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THE RESIDENTS. >> SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION STARED BY THE BACKWARD? -- DESIRED BY THE BOARD?

CALL THE ROLL. >> WE'LL BE SEEING THIS PROJECT MANY TIMES MOVING FORWARD.

AND I THINK THAT WE WELL VENTED IT TODAY. AND CONCERNS HAVE ALL RISEN TO

THE TOP. AND IT MEETS ALL OF THE LIMITS. >> MOTION APPROVED.

LET'S

>>> THE NEXT ITEM. OH MY. IT THE KEEP A THIS STRAIGHT IN

[b. Site Plan and Design Review - Twins Carwash - 5340 S. US Highway 1]

SITE PLAN DESIGN REVIEW FOR TWINS CAR WASH. SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW - TWINS CARWASH - 5340 S. U.S. HIGHWAY 1. REQUEST FOR REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SITE PLAN (DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW) TO CONSTRUCT A 4,930 SQUARE-FEET AUTOMATED CARWASH WITH SELF-SERVICE VACUUMS. RECOMMENDATION: WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, THE BUILDING IS A SINGLE STORY MASONRY STRUCTURE, THE INTENT TO UTILIZE THE -- OF A DESIGN WITH CRAFTSMAN DETAILING. THE LOCATION OF THIS IS BELOW ON THE MAP. AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY 2.19 GIVE OR TAKE ACRES.

THE FUTURE LAND USE FOR THIS PARCEL IS GENERAL XHERGS. GC.

THE ZONING FOR THIS IS C 3. GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OF THE PROPOSED CAR WASH. WITH 26 VACUUMS, AND A CAR WASH. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IS BEFORE

[02:45:10]

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE VACUUM AND ENCLOSER ELEVATIONS. THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE BUILDING. THESE ARE THE DESIGN -- THE BUILDING DESIGN REVIEW.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH ONE CONDITION: A COMPLETION CERTIFICATION BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, COST ESTIMATE, AND LANDSCAPE BOND PURSUANT TO CITY CODE 123-6 SHALL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATION OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED FOR THE SITE.

THE BOARD'S ACTIONS FOR THIS TODAY ARE APPROVAL TR THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW WITH NOW CHANGES. THE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW. THANK YOU.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? >> IS THERE ANY CHANGE OF USE WITH THIS PROPERTY IN A PREVIOUS APPLICATION? OR JUST SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

>> JUST A SITE PLAN APPROVAL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THE APPLICANT IS HERE? IF THE APPLICANT WOULD STEP FORWARD, WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING.

YES, PLEASE. SIGN IN. AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> THE STAFF -- PROJECT, I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> I NOTICED ON THE DRAWINGS THAT THERE'S A TRAFFIC FLOW PATTERN HERE. AND I'M SURPRISED WHEN I READ COMMENTS FROM DOT. THAT JUST THINKING ABOUT LAST MONTH, WE HAD A GASOLINE STATION THEY'RE BRINGING TRAFFIC IN AND OFF OF THE LITTLE SIDE STREET THAT'S NOT SUITABLE TO DO THAT WITH. AND THEN ACQUIRING A NASSAU BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS EXIT ONLY. AND WE GET THIS PROJECT A MONTH LATER, WE'VE BEEN WORKING FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THEY EGRESS AND INGRESS IS OUT OF ONE FACILITY OUT ON U.S. 1.

REGARDING WHAT YOU'RE DOING, IT'S AN OBSERVATION THAT MADE OF FLORIDA DOT, BECAUSE U.S. 1 IS A STATE HIGHWAY. AND THEY SEEM TO IMPOSE ON ONE SET OF REQUIREMENTS ON ONE DEVELOPER AND OPEN THE DOOR FOR DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS TO DIFFERENT DEVELOPER.

SOMETIMES I LOOK AT THAT AND GO, WHAT ARE WE DOING? BUT, WHAT I DID NOTICE ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW, WAS THAT YOU HAVE A FLOW PATTERN CONSIDERED THROUGH THE FACILITY COMING IN OFF OF U.S. 1 WORKING AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY, THROUGH THE TOLL BOOTH, THAT'S GREAT YOU HAVE TO COLLECT YOUR MONEY FOR IT, BACK AROUND THROUGH THE CAR WASH, AND OUT. THIS IS THE A SELF-SERVE VACUUM SYSTEM.

AND THERE'S A FLOW PATTERN FOR DIRECTION IN YOUR TRAUGS. -- DRAWINGS FOR HOW A CONSUMER, WHAT SHOULD I DO TO GET TO THE VACUUM SECTION. DID I -- DO I GO TO THE VACUUM

SECTION FIRST AND BACK AROUND? >> WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF THE CAR WASHES LIKE THIS BEFORE.

MOST OF THE TRAFFIC COMES OUT OF THE CAR WASH, AND THERE'S AN OPTION OF GOING OUT OF THE

PROPERTY OR COMING TO THE VACUUM SPOTS. >> THEY CIRCLE BACK AROUND.

FROM THE FRONT. FROM THE WEST END OF THE FACILITY.

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GO IN THE VACUUM STATIONS. AND YOU DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S SELF-SERVE VACUUM.

AND POSSIBLY GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO DRY MY VEHICLE? >> YES.

A LOT OF THE CAR WASHES DRYING PROCESS, TO GET -- GET THROUGH THROUGH THE VACUUMS.

>> ALL RIGHT, I LIKE FULL SERVICE CAR WASHES, THEY DON'T EXIST ANYMORE.

THEY KNEW, BUT THAT'S NOT THE CASE TODAY. I'M LIVING IN A WHOLE NEW WORLD AND I'M TRYING TO ADJUST. AND IT'S HARD, VERY HARD. OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. I LIKE THE PROJECT, IT LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER.

AND WE NEED MORE CAR WASHES IN THE AREA. >> WE JUST FINISHED ONE IN --

IT'S BEEN WORKING OUT GOOD. >> VERY GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU, AND I HOPE THAT IT RUNS THROUGH THE COMMISSION AS SMOOTH AS IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S RUNNING HERE.

SAT THERE AND WATCHED, WHILE IT WAS DIFFICULT. AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR

PATIENCE. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANYONE ALL RIGHT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING, BACK TO THE BOARD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>> WELL THEN, ITEMS C AND D, WE PULLED.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR PLANNING BOARD PROCEDURES. AND I'LL SET THIS UP A BIT.

[e. Planning Board Procedures]

ON 6-12-2012 THERE WAS A REVISION MADE. ON -- NOTHING WAS DONE FROM 82 TO 07. THEN ON 12-11-2012, THERE WAS A REVISION MADE.

AND OUT OF ALL THAT, WHAT I FOUND WAS -- THAT WAS BEFORE ME. NOW, WHEN I FOUND WAS THAT THERE'S REVISION, ONE OF THE REVISIONS IN THE LINE WE CHANGED TO THE DAY WESTERN MOETH, THE -- WE WERE MEETING, THE TIME. WHAT STAYED COMMON IN ALL OF THOSE REVISIONS FROM 1982 IS WE ELECTED THE BOARD IN MARCH. NOT IN SEPTEMBER. WE ELECTED THE BOARD IN MARCH.

ON OCTOBER OF 2017 -- OCTOBER 28, 2017 THERE'S A CHANGE MADE. BUT THIS WAS MADE AFTER THE CITY COMMISSION CHANGED THE NUMBER OF BARD MEMBERS ON THE PLANNING BOARD.

[02:55:03]

WITH THE GOAL OF REORGANIZING CITIZENS BOARDS. HE WORKED HIS WAY THROUGH SEVERAL OF THEM, AND GOT TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND HE RECOMMENDED THAT WE DOWN SIZE FROM TEN TO FIVE. AND THERE'S ONE OR TWO OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS IN THAT.

AND THE CITY COMMISSION WOUND UP DOWN SIZING TO SEVEN, THAT WE HAVE NOW.

WE DO HAVE SEVEN NOW, RIGHT? OKAY. AND WE WERE MEETING AT THAT TIME ON TUESDAY NIGHT. AT 6:00. ACTUALLY THAT WAS NOT A BAD TIME FOR THE CITIZENS. AND THE BOARD MEMBERS. WE COULD GET OFF OF OUR JOB, GET OVER HERE, BE HUNGRY, CRANKY. AND WE HANDLED BUSINESS AND LEAVE.

BUT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE REALLY GETTING HURT WERE STAFF. THIS GUY COMES IN AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING, AND ON ONCE A MONTH HE'S HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT SOMETIMES.

BECAUSE THEN, WE WERE HEARING VACATION RENTALS. YEAH.

EVERYONE IS ROLLING THEIR EYES. SAT THROUGH THAT FUN. SO SOME OF THE MEETINGS DID GO

INTO 11:00. >> JESUS. >> AND SO, I WAS OKAY, WITH IT.

I WAS RETIRED. BUT ANY RATE WE MET ON TUESDAY NIGHT AND WE CHANGED THE -- AND ELECTED A BOARD, THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO SEPTEMBER. THE REASON THAT WAS DONE IS BECAUSE THE CHANGE OVER WAS DONE IN SEPTEMBER. SO EFFECTIVELY WHAT THE COMMISSION DID IS THEY DISMISSED THE ENTIRE BOARD. IF WE WANTED TO STAY ON THE BOARD, WE HAD TO FILL OUT ALL THE FORMS AGAIN, THE COMMISSION, FOUR COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR THEN WOULD APPOINTMENT A BOARD MEMBER AND THERE WERE TWO AT LARGE.

THEY CAME OUT OF A BIG POOL OF APPLICATIONS AND VOTED ON BY THE COMMISSION.

THE CHANGE WAS THEY SHRUNK IT AND COMMISSION APPOINT AND HAD THE MAYOR APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF AT LARGE BOARD MEMBERS. THIS WAS DONE AND ACTIVATED IN SEPTEMBER. WHEN WE CAME BACK TO A BOARD MEETING THE FIRST BOARD MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, WE CAME BACK AS A NEW BOARD BEING SEATED. WE HAD TO ELECT THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. IT BECAME SEPTEMBER. AND THAT'S HOW WE BECAME ON THE SEPTEMBER DEAL. AND I HAVE OTHER SHEETS HERE TOO, RULES, WE CALLED THEM RULES. NOW PROCEDURES. AND MADE THE CHANGE OF TERMINOLOGY FROM RULES TO PROCEDURES, BECAUSE SOMEONE ON THE COMMISSION DIDN'T LIKE THE IDEA OF A RULE. BUT PROCEDURE. I DON'T KNOW, OKAY.

I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. AND I HET WHERE FETE -- LET YOU GET YOUR FEET ON THE GROUND, BEFORE I CAME TO YOU AND SAID, LOOK, JENNIFER AND I STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT. THAT'S HOW FAR BACK THIS DISCUSSION WE KNOW.

-- WENT. I CAME TO KEVIN AND ASKED HIM TO ALLOW ALICIA TO HELP ME.

I STARTED LOOKING AT THIS FROM SEVERAL PERSPECTIVES, AND IT REALLY GOT DOWN TO THE BOTTOM LINE, THE ONLY TWO THINGS I SAW THAT NEEDED TO BE CHANGED, YOU CAUGHT THAT WE NEEDED TO FIX THE

[03:00:12]

RIGHT? >> TUESDAY TO MONDAY. >> OKAY.

SO WE HAD TO FIX THAT AND WENT BACK TO MARCH. AND THE REASON WE WANT TO GO BACK TO MARCH IS I'M THE CHAIR. APPOINTED BY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

IN DECEMBER OF 2003, NOVEMBER OF 2003, MOVING THE ALEXIS AHEAD FOR A YEAR.

AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON GETS REPLACED. HE'S NO LONGER A COMMISSIONER AND THE NEW COMMISSIONER COMES IN. SEPTEMBER, OF 2003, WE HAVE AN ALEXIS ON THE CHAIR. COME DECEMBER, THE NEW COMMISSIONER GETS SEATED, SHE'S THE COMMISSIONER. SHE GETS SEATED AND SHE DOESN'T LIKE ME.

AND SHE LIKES SOMEONE ELSE BETTER. MRS. JOHNSON.

WE DID HAVE A MRS. JOHNSON. VERY NICE LADY. SHE GOES I'LL APPOINT MRS. JOHNSON TO THE BOARD. COME BACK IN JANUARY OR MARCH, BUT JANUARY, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU FIND OUT, THE CHAIR IS NOT HERE ANYMORE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION.

WE FELT LIKE TURNING THE CLOCK BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. SO WE HAVE OUR ELECTIONS IN MARCH, WOULD ALLEVIATE THE POTENTIAL OF THAT TYPE OF ISSUE COMING FORWARD.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO. NOW, TONIGHT, SHOULD WE DECIDE TO DO THIS, I'LL ASK FOR TWO MOTIONS. ONE MOTION WILL BE TO APPROVE THE PROCEDURES. AFTERWARDS, DISCUSSION. THE SECOND MOTION WILL BE TO APPROVE THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO REMAIN IN POSITION, UNTIL MARCH OF 2024.

FOR THE NEW ELECTION. IN OTHER WORDS, EXTENDING MS. CLEMSON, MY TERM AS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR TO MARCH OF 2024. AND KEVIN AND I BELIEVE THIS IS AN ACTION THIS BOARD CAN DO BY A MOTION. IF THE CITY ATTORNEY TAKES OBJECTION TO THAT, WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK AND REVISIT IT. BUT WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN DO THIS BY ACTION, I'VE LOOKED AT STATE STATUTES AND I BELIEVE WE CAN DO IT BY ACTION. WE'LL STEP OUT THERE AND ASK FOR THAT TO BE DONE. I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION ON THE TWO CHANGES, CHANGING THE DAY AND TIME TO THE SECOND MONDAY AT 2:00, FOR THE MEETINGS, AND CHANGING THE MONTH OF ELECTION

FROM SEPTEMBER TO MARCH. I'M LOOKING FOR DISCUSSION. >> WHEN IS IT EXACTLY? IF THERE'S A NEW COMMISSIONER ELECTED, WHEN IS IT THAT THEY TAKE OFFICE?

>> THEY TAKE THEIR SEAT IN DECEMBER. THEY'RE SWORN IN IN DECEMBER.

TAKING THEIR FIRST ACTION IN JANUARY. >> SO THIS WOULD GIVE THEM A FEW MONTHS TO SORT OUT THE SHIFT OF APPOINTEE. AND THEN GIVES US TIME TO REACT

TO THAT. >> YES. IT GIVES THEM A MONTH.

ACTUALLY, TWO MONTHS. >> EVERYONE GOOD WITH IT? I'LL WAIT A MOMENT.

[03:05:07]

HE HAD A NATURE BREAK. >> MAKING IT OFFICIAL. >> FIXING IT ON THE PROCEDURES, AND CHANGING THE MONTH OF ELECTION. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> BEFORE WE MAKE OUR -- TAKE A VOTE, WE ALSO CHANGED THE ORDER. >> OH, YES.

I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF IT IN FRONT OF ME. I ATE IT, I THINK.

MAYBE MY DOG ATE IT. ONE OF YOU GO THROUGH THAT. >> I WOULD LET YOU DO.

>> WE MADE A CHANGE ON THE -- WHAT DID WE CHANGE? >> NUMBER EIGHT, WE MOVED THE

ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO THE END. SINCE PUBLIC -- >> YES.

WE MOVED THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS TO THE END OF THE LIST.

SO THE WAY THAT ALICIA AND KEVIN ARRANGED THE AGENDA, RATHER THAN TO HAVE ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS UP TO THE FRONT WE'RE MOVING THEM AT THE END SO WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS BUSINESS FIRST AND THEN THE CITY BUSINESS. AND I OFTEN DO THAT WHEN I OPEN THE MEETING OF SAY, I'LL REARRANGE THIS ITEM AND THIS ITEM, THAT'S WHY. WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE NECESSITY OF REARRANGING THEM. THANK YOU. I DID, I ALMOST SLIPPED ONE IN ON YOU. IS THERE ANY CONVERSATION? I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

TO APPROVE THE NEW PROCEDURES. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. I WOULD OPEN DISCUSSION FOR THE EXTENSION OF MS. CLEMSON AND MY TERM SEATED AS CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, HOW MANY MONTHS IS THAT? SEPTEMBER TO MARCH, THAT'S SIX

MONTHS, RIGHT? >> THIS HAS TO BE DISCUSSED PRETTY HARD.

>> SIX MONTHS. EXTENDING OUR TERM FOR SIX MONTHS FOR THE TERM OF 2022 TO

2023. >> I'M UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT, I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL BE HERE.

>> YOU'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. >> OKAY. THEY MAY NOT PICK ME.

I'M NOT AT LARGE. >> UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT NOW? >> IT'S COMING OPEN.

>> SERIOUSLY? >> I LITERALLY GOT THE REQUEST FROM --

>> THEY SENT THE TEXT MESSAGE OUT TODAY. >> OKAY, WELL.

OKAY. I HAVE A JOB TO DO. >> YOU'RE UP FOR REAPPOINTMENT

IN AUGUST. >> BUT IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I'M AT LARGE.

>> AND YOU DID, YOU ARE SENDING THE FORM BACK THAT YOU WANT TO STAY ON THE BOARD.

>> I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT, BUT TODAY, IT'S WEIGHING HEAVY ON MY HEART.

I MAY HAVE TO PRAY ABOUT THIS. >> SCOTT TRIED TO LEAVE THE BOARD ONCE.

>> BUT I'M STRONGER THAN HIM. >> AND I WENT TO HER, AND PUT MY ARM AROUND HER.

>> SHE'S A FRAIL, OLDER WOMAN. I AM MUCH STRONGER. >> PLEASE, PLEASE, DON'T GO ANYWHERE. OKAY. LET'S GET BACK TO THE REAL BUSINESS. AND SHE DIDN'T, BY THE WAY. SHE CAME BACK UP, AND SEATED

BACK AT THE -- DISCUSSION. I ENTERTAIN THE MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

[03:10:30]

>> TO EXTEND THE EXTENSION FROM THE TERM OF DECEMBER THE MARCH. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>>> THE NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENTS, THERE'S NO PUBLIC. SO, I'LL EXTEND THAT TO STAFF.

[9. DIRECTOR'S REPORT]

>> THANK YOU. >> I TOOK A VACATION FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME.

I WENT BACK TO THE UK. I'M STILL GOT A BIT OF JET LAG. >> VERY GOOD.

FWLD THE HEAR THAT -- GLAD TO HEAR THAT. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE

HOME? >> FIVE YEARS AGO. >> LOTS CHANGED?

>> TREMENDOUS. >> GOOD CHANGES? >> YEAH, MORE INTO HOUSING, PROVIDING HOUSING IN CITIES. THEY HAVE MORE IN ALTERNATIVE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION.

MORE BIKE PATHS, AND WALK WAYS. IT WAS COOL. >> I'M GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO GO HOME AND GLAD YOU GOT SOME VACATION. TOOK A LONG BREAK, YOU PROBABLY

NEEDED IT FOR THIS MEETING. >> NOW I DO. >> WE'VE GOTTEN THROUGH IT, I'M GLAD THAT IN SOME RESPECTS THAT YOU PULLED THE -- GREENS PROJECT.

WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT OF DAY TODAY. BUT, I HAD SOME COMMENTS BUT

[10. BOARD COMMENTS]

AND TRYING TO GET THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO A POINT THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY DO IT WITH WHAT YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO DO. START PLANNING. RIGHT NOW ALL I SEE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DO IS WORKING THEIR TAILS OFF TO KEEP UP. WHAT WHAT'S COMING IN THE FRONT DOOR. IT WOULD BE GREAT TO START PLANNING THAT.

AND WE SEA THE DEVELOPMENTS -- SEE THE DEVELOPMENTS LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT ALL DAY, WE NEED SOME PARKS GOING IN. WE'RE NOT DOING IT. WITH ADDITIONAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE STATIONS AND ADDITIONAL FIRE EQUIPMENT AND THE PERSONNEL TO GO WITH IT.

YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE WE DOING? >> THINGS ARE HAPPENING. >> ANYWAY.

I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S HARD WORK TODAY AND YOUR TIME IN THE MEETING.

SOMETIMES DRIVING THE BUS ENEMIES THAT I HAVE TO PROLONG THINGS BIT.

SO THAT POEM HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO -- PEOPLE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VENT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT'S

[03:15:04]

I WAS ON THE BOARD FOR SIX YEARS UNTIL ALICIA POINTED OUT THE CLOCK OUT TO ME.

THERE'S A CLOCK RIGHT THERE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS THERE. I KEEP LOOKING AT THE CLOCK AND

MAN, WE HAVE TO MOVE THIS ON. HOW DO YOU MOVE IT ON? >> WE CAN MOVE IT CLOSER TO YOU.

>> I CAN SEE IT. I GOT NEW GLASSES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE

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