Jul 17, 2023 City Commission Regular Meeting

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. >> WE HAD NO ONE SIGN UP FOR COMMENTS ON PUBLIC -- COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE HAD PROCEED TO

[a. Presentation of World Changers' service to the City of Fort Pierce.]

MISCELLANEOUS REPORTS. AND WE HAVE A PRESENTATION OF WORLD CHANGERS TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND JOE DRAMOS IN THE AUDIENCE. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: NO LEAD-IN.

NO STRANGER FORT PIERCE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YEAH.

WELCOME, MR. DRAMUS. WE ARE HAPPY TO SEE YOU.

>> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, CITY MANAGER, AND RESIDENTS OF THE GREAT CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I AM JOEL DARAMUS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF WORLD CHANGERS.

YOUR CONTINUOUS SUPPORT OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS.

AND PROVIDE YOU WITH A BRIEF UPDATE OF DPROOUP AND WHERE WE ARE NOW. I WILL WARN YOU, IT IS HARD FOR ME TO BE BRIEF BUT I WILL DO MY BEST.

JOINED BY MY WIFE, DAWN, WHO SERVES AS THE SITE COORDINATOR FOR ALL OF OUR PROJECTS. LOGISTICS, FOOD, LODGING, SHOWERS, SOLICITATION OF REGISTERING LOCAL COMMUNITY PROJECTS IN WORLD CHANGERS. MR. JOHN KEITH, THE CHURCH ENGAGEMENT STRATEGIST FOR THE TREASURE COAST BAPTIST ASSOCIATION. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF LEADING WORLD CHANGERS FORT PIERCE NOW FOR 25 YEARS.

DURING THAT TIME, WORLD CHANGERS FORT PIERCE HAS REPAIRED OVER 577 HOMES WITH 5529 PARTICIPANTS FROM 15 DIFFERENT STATES.

EACH ONE OF THESE PARTICIPANTS THAT COME, WE MAY CALL THEM KIDS, BUT THERE ARE ADULTS AS WELL.

EACH ONE OF THEM PAY $ 00 TO COME TO FORT PIERCE TO SLEEP ON THE FLOOR OF A GYM, A CHURCH, OR A SCHOOL IN 97-DEGREE WEATHER TO PAINT AND REPAIR HOMES AND MEET THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. COMBINED TOTAL OF HOURS TO THE CITY IN 25 YEARS IS 266,S 337 HOURS.

AD DON'T WANT TO PUT A $10 OR $11 UNTIL ON THAT, IT WOULD BE TOO BIG. EARLY DAYS, WORLD CHANGERS FORT PIERCE PAINTED AND SOME WEEKS WE DID 40 TO 50 HOMES IN ONE WEEK.

TODAY WITH DRAWN'S HELP AND GUIDANCE EXPANDED THE KEEP OF WORLD CHANGERS TO INCLUDE MUSTARD SEED MINISTRIES IN THE IMAGE OF CHRIST, RACEWAY VILLAGE, UNITED AGAINST POVERTY AND BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. ALONG WHERE PAINTING HOUSES SEVERAL WEEKS AGO, OUR PARTICIPANTS PREPARED OVER 1,000 LUNCHES EVERY DAY FOR BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

THEY CLEANED, MAINTAINED, SORTED CLOTHES AND UPGRADED LANDSCAPING AT GRACEWAY VILLAGE AND SORTED AND ASSEMBLED THOUSANDS OF POUNDS OF FOOD AT MASS TARRED SEED MINISTRIES.

EACH PROJECT WE ASK OUR WORLD CHANGERS PARTICIPANTS TO BRING WITH THEM DONATIONS OF FOOD, TOILETRIES, SHOES AND SOMETHING TO HELP THOSE IN NEED IN FORT PIERCE.

AT THIS LAST PROJECT, OUR PARTICIPANTS BROUGHT 750 POUNDS OF CLOTHES FROM THEIR HOME CHURCHES TO BE DONATED TO -- TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES IN NEED.

IN HAD THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. BUT WE DIDN'T DO ALL OF THIS OURSELVES. THIS POINT, WE WOULD LIKE TO PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK THE HARD WORK OF MR. KIMBERLY HINTON. I BELIEVE KIMBERLY IS IN THE AUDIENCE. SHE IS.

OKAY. THIS IS KIMBERLY'S FIRST YEAR WITH WORLD CHANGERS. A LOT TO LEARN AND A LOT TO DO.

I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT KIMBERLY WAS QUICK SUPER QUICK TO RESPOND TO E-MAILS, IN-PERSON MEETINGS AND AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND GUIDANCE. IN MY BUSINESS WE CALL PEOPLE LIKE KIMBERLY "A ROCK STAR." THAT YOU ARE, KIMBERLY, FOR ALL YOU DO FOR WORLD CHANGERS. WE ALSO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT

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WORLD CHANGERS IS NOT A ONE WEEK IN THE SUMMER EVENT ANYMORE.

DAWN AND I FREQUENTLY RECEIVE REQUEST FROM YOUR STAFF FOR EMERGENCY HOME REPAIRS, FOOD, CLOTHING, SHOES, AND CERTAIN ACCESS TO LOCAL RESOURCES. WE SOLICIT LOCAL CONTRACTORS AND INDIVIDUALS TO HELP US. AS WELL AS LOCAL CHURCHES AND FAMILIES. THIS IS A YEAR-ROUND EFFORT.

OUR. A TUGSY ASSOCIATION RECENTLY HOSTED A DENTAL BUS IN HAD FORT PIERCE TO ASSIST WITH GENERAL DENTAL NEEDS FOR RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, FREE OF CHARGE.

THAT BUS WILL BE RETURNING NEXT YEAR.

I WILL ALSO BE WORKING WITH THIS TEAM ON NEW INITIATIVES OF INVOLVING MORE LOCAL CHURCHES, CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS TO PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED SERVICES TO INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I WILL BE DRIVING ALL AVAILABLE RESOURCES TOWARD FORT PIERCE AND ALSO OCCASION A ALLEY BE MAKING REQUEST TO YOU FOR SOME DONATIONS OF MATERIALS TO KEEP THE PROJECT MOVING ALONG. WORLD CHANGERS IS SCHEDULED TO RETURN TO FORT PIERCE IN JUNE ' 'JUNE 24-29, 2024. ON BEHALF OF THIS TEAM AND LITERALLY THOUSANDS THAT PARTICIPATE IN WORLD CHANGERS, WE WANT TO CLOSE BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUAL SUPPORT, THANK YOU FOR KIMBERLY, AND THANK YOU FOR HELPING US CARE FOR AND SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK IT IS WE WHO SHOULD THANK YOU.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE.

YOU HAVE BEEN SO FAITHFUL FOR 25 YEARS.

WONDERFUL. AND YOU COME FROM OUR SISTER CITY PORT ST. LUCIE. AND YOU ARE VERY GOOD TO FORT PIERCE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYBODY ELSE? GREAT, GREAT JOB. GREAT JOB.

>> MR. DRAMUS, WOULD YOU LIKE A PHOTO?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WE SHOULD DO THAT.

>> WITH OUR TEAM. >> HAVE YOUR TEAM DOWN FRONT.

WE WILL HAVE THEM STAND AND I WILL TAKE PHOTO.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GOOD IDEA.

. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SEE YOU NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. I DID RECEIVE NOTICE THAT THE MICROPHONE ARE NOT WORKING PROPERLY IN THE BACK.

ARE YOU HAVING DIFFICULTY HEARING IN THE BACK ROW, M MR. REALS? I THINK MARY, YOU PROBABLY NEED

[b. Parking Committee Recommendation regarding the Fort Pierce Resorts LLC Lease renewal of six parcels located west of Indian River Drive currently leased by the City for additional public parking. ]

TO PULL YOUR MICROPHONE CLOSER. NEXT WE HAVE THE PARKING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE FORT PIERCE RESORTS LCC LEASE RENEWAL OF SIX PARCELS LOCATED WEST OF INDIAN RIVER DRIVE CURRENTLY LEASED BY THE CITY FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARKING MAYOR MAYOR DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IS THIS?

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: THE PERSON WORKING WITH THE PARKING COMMITTEE PROVIDING THIS INFORMATION TO YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSION. I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FORT PIERCE RESORTS LLC LEASE RENEWAL.

THERE ARE SIX PARCELS INVOLVED IN THIS PROPERTY, IN THESE PROPERTIES. THESE ARE -- WE ALREADY LEASE THIS. THESE PARCELS FOR PARKING -- TEMPORARY PARKING FOR CITY EVENTS.

AND DURING THE -- THE LEASE ACTUALLY EXPIRED IN JUNE.

AND DURING THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU KNOW, ABOUT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO AND TRYING TO EXTEND THE SAME LEASE AGREEMENT. HE MADE A REQUEST.

THIS PARTICULAR DISPLAY SHOWS WHAT THE TAXES THAT ARE ASSESSED BY THE CITY. SO THE 2022 TAXES ASSESSED BY THE CITY ARE LISTED FOR EACH PARCEL.

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THERE IS A TOTAL THERE. AND THEN WE PAY QUARTERLY GUYS OF PROPERTY MANAGEMENT OF $60. AND ACCOUNTING OF $288.

WHICH COMES TO $1392 ANNUALLY. FOR A TOTAL OF $4534.26.

PAID TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AS RENT FOR LEASING THIS PROPERTY.

THE PROPERTY OWNER REQUESTED THAT THE RENEWAL INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL FEE OF $1500 PER MONTH, WHICH WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL $18,000 TO THE ANNUAL RE RENTAL. AND THAT WOULD BE TOTAL FOR THE ANNUAL FEE OF THE $22,534.26. DURING THE PARKING COMMITTEE'S MEETING, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY NEGOTIATE WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER TO SEE IF HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MAYBE EXTENDING THE LEASE TERM FOR A LOWER -- LOWER AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING LOWER THAN THAT $1500.

AND TO SEE WHAT OPTIONS WE HAD THAT COULD BENEFIT BOTH OF US, NOT JUST THE CITY, BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER AS WELL.

SO IS THE PARKING COMMITTEE REQUESTED THAT WE GET PERMISSION FROM YOU TO DETERMINE IF SOMEONE COULD REPRESENT THE CITY AND NEGOTIATE WITH THIS PROPERTY OWNER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY. THAT'S IT?

>> THAT'S IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: PRETTY CUT AND DRY. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THERE WAS A RATHER LENGTHY DISCUSSION PERTAINING TO THIS. THAT IS THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THIS FOR SURE. THE PARKING COMMITTEE SAID IF WE CAN NEGOTIATE AND SAVE SOME OFF OF THAT, WHAT WE WILL REFER TO AS "BASE RENT." THE $18,000 COMPONENT IS BASE RENT AND PASS-THROUGH EXPENSES ON TOP OF THAT.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE PARKING COMMITTEE SUGGESTED -- WAS IT $1200 OR $1,000. $1200 A MONTH AS AN OFFER TO ESTABLISH THAT BASE RENT. WE ALSO WERE LOOKING TO ATTEMPT TO SECURE A LEASE FOR TWO YEARS AT THAT FIXED PRICE.

PASS-THROUGH EXPENSES ONCE AGAIN WOULD FLUCTUATE AND THE BASE RENT WILL MAINTAIN THE SAME. HAVING SAID THAT VERSUS THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE BASED ON WHAT THE OFFER WAS TO THE CITY, IT WAS DETERMINED AT THAT MEETING TO -- THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE US GOING BACK TO THE LANDLORD TO -- TO DISCUSS IT. THAT IS KIND OF HOW IT ENDED UP IN THIS MANIFESTATION TO SAY, HEY, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN MAKE A DEAL. THE OTHER COMMENT I WAS GOING TO MAKE IS THAT THIS LOT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO DOWNTOWN. ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE, FORMER'S MARKET, FRIDAY FEST, FIRST FRIDAY.

THIS LOT IS CONTINUOUSLY USED FOR ANY EVENT AND REALLY KIND OF A CRITICAL NATURE. THE CITY HAD LEASED THE EXPANSION AREA WITH SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH IT. ONE OF THEM WAS FOR VENDOR PARKING FOR SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT TAKE PLACE DOWNTOWN. YOU HAVE VEHICLES WITH TRAILERS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE THAT SIMPLY THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO PARK -- FOR THE VENDORS. WE THOUGHT THAT SOME OF THIS OPEN SPACE COULD BE UTILIZED FOR THAT.

THE EXISTING PARK ALSO MAINTAIN AND WE WILL LOOK TO CAPITALIZE HOW MUCH PARKING WE CAN INCREASE IN THAT LOT.

IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, THIS PARTICULAR LOT REFLECTS SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF 10% OF THE PARKING IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND YOU SEE THE IMPORTANCE HERE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: BIG FOR TRAILER PARKING.

YES. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU

SAID 10%. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, 190 PARKING SPACES, 200 PARKING SPACES WE CAN GET THERE WITH APPROXIMATELY 100 AND CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE DOWNTOWN CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AREA.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I I AGREE WITH THE ASSESSMENT AND GLAD THE PARKING COMMITTEE HAS WEIGHED IN TO NEGOTIATE OR AT AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO - KEEP IN MIND, THAT WHILE IT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER OF THIS DISPLAY RIGHT HIRE, WE ARE GOING TO LOSE ADDITIONAL PARKING INVENTORY WITH THE KING'S LANDING DEVELOPMENT WHEN THE BACCHUS AVENUE SIDE IS DEVELOPED. THAT IS A INVENTORY OF PARKING THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOSE. AND WE ARE GOING TO COME -- CONTINUE WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLANS AND DISCUSSIONS OF TALKING ABOUT PARKING ALL THE TIME. WHILE WE MAY MOVE IN A DIRECTION

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OF ONE OR TWO YEARS AHEAD, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A MOVE SOMEWHERE IS ELSE IN ADDITION TO TH THIS. JUST BECAUSE IT IS BECOMING

PREMIERE, RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK:

TEMPORARY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NOT GOING TO LOST. SO, YEAH, I THINK WE GO BACK.

AND JUST -- YOU KNOW, EVERY OFFER CAN BE DISCUSSED.

AND COUNTER AREOFFERED. THAT IS THE WAY BUSINESS IS DONE. WE DECIDE WHAT TO DO NEXT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ONE OF THE THOUGHTS FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE TO HAVE STAFF HAVE LATITUDE OF WRAPPING THIS UP WHEN THE DAY WAS DONE.

WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM THE AUTHORIZATION TO SAY, GET IT SECURED. LET'S MAKE THE OFFER AND SEE IF

WE CAN GET IT NAILED DOWN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THIS WOULD BE A BIG INCREASE IN THE BUDGET. A BIG INCREASE FOR THEM.

EXACTLY. ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I WAS GOING TO ASK ON THAT. I WILL LEAN ON STAFF WITH THE MARGINS AND BUDGET SINCE WE WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE.

WHERE I SEE THIS 12 G. QUICK QUESTION.

DO WE UTILIZE THAT FOR PARKING AS WELL? I THOUGHT YOU SAID A MINUTE AGO --

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THAT WAS THE EXPANSION AREA.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: RIGHT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: BASED ON THE INITIAL -- THE SECONDARY PARCEL. IT HAS NOT BEEN DEPLOYED YET.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: BUT IS IT INCLUDED IN THIS

AGREEMENT THAT WE CAN USE IT? >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: BECAUSE I HEAR ALL THE TIME FROM PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO PUT THEIR TRAILERS IN THE WATER AND PARK, ETC., THAT THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES WHERE THEY CAN PARK OVER HERE AND HE WAS JUST WONDERING IF WE WERE -- MY QUESTION TO STAFF SO I AM CLEAR, WE ARE USING THAT AREA FOR PARKING FOR TRAILERS, BOATS, HITCHES, THAT KIND OF THING.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I DON'T THINK WE ARE USING IT AT

ALL. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

OH, WE AREN'T? >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THAT

WAS A RECENT DECISION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE OPPORTUNITY

IS THERE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

I AM CLEAR NOW, THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: JUST TO QUALIFY THAT SOMEWHAT FURTHER WE DISCUSSED WITH THE EXPANSION AREA. JACK, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, OR, PLEASE, I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY, BUT I THINK THE DISCUSSION POINT WAS RELATIVE TO MAKING IT MULTIFUNCTIONAL FOR TRAILER PARKING. BOAT TRAILER PARKING AS WELL AND VEHICLE PARKING EXPANSION. SO WE WANTED TO ADDRESS ALL

THREE NEEDS. >> EXPANSION POSSIBILITIES WITH THE SCREEN. WITH THE NEW NEGOTIATIONS THAT WILL TAKE PLACE. ALREADY THERE, BUT -- ONCE WE GET THE NEW NEGOTIATED WHATEVER THAT MAY BE, WE WILL HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BARGAIN. OKAY, I AM CLEAR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONERS? ALL RIGHTY.

IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO VOTE ON OR IS THIS -- ARE WE

GIVING YOU DIRECTION, MR. MIMMS? >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT, GIVE STAFF DIRECTION TO PROCEED

WITH NEGOTIATION ARE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE WE IN

AGREEMENT? >> WE ARE IN AGREEMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION?

>>MAYOR: CERTAINLY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ON THE LEGAL PERSPECTIVE. LOOKING AT THE LEASE AGREEMENT.

HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW AND JUST MAKE SURE IT IS UP TO

DATE WITH WHAT WE TYPICALLY DO? >> MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, AT THIS POINT, I WOULD ADVISE TO LET STAFF ENGAGE IN THEIR NEGOTIATIONS AND THEN LEGAL DEPARTMENT WILL DO A FINAL REVIEW.

TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE NO -- NO LEGAL HURDLES.

BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE ARE IN IF THE REALM OF BUSINESS

DECISIONS, NOT LEGAL DECISIONS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: UNDERSTANDABLE. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. YOU HAVE THE DIRECTION YOU NEED, MR. MIMMS. THANK YOU, PARKING COMMITTEE.

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> NEXT WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY ITEM THAT ANY COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO P PULL.

A LOT OF GOOD STUFF ON IT. SO IS THERE A MOTION?

IF THERE IS NONE TO BE PULLED. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MOVE

TO APPROVE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON:

SECOND MA. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

>> OKAY. AND NEXT WE MOVE ON TO OUR LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS. FIRST WE HAVE ORDINANCE 23-041, AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE FORT PIERCE FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHERN 4.883 ACRES OF 1910 SOUTH JENKINS ROAD. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR PARTS IN CONFLICT AND PROVIDED FOR EFFECTIVE DATE. THE SECOND READING.

[a. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-041 - Review and approval of a Zoning Map Amendment by owner Resurrection Life Family Worship Center Inc. and applicant Brad Currie with EDC, Inc., to change the zoning from Medium, Density Residential, R-4, to Planned Development, PD, of 4.883 acres of the parcel located at 1910 S. Jenkins Road Fort Pierce, FL 44947. Parcel ID: 2418-322-0001-000-5. SECOND READING]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS SUBJECT, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE.

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EMPLOYEES THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND IS THERE A MOTION?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MOTION APPROVE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

[b. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-042 - An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida; amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of a portion of one (1) parcel generally located at or near 1602 South 30th Street, from City of Fort Pierce (RL) Low Density Residential to City of Fort Pierce (GC) General Commercial; providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. Subject Parcel: 2417-506-0033-000-9. SECOND READING]

>> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 23-042, ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE FORT PIERCE.FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF A PORTION OF ONE PARCEL GENERALLY LOCATED AT 1602 SOUTH 30TH STREET FROM CITY OF FORT PIERCE, RL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO FORT PIERCE GC GENERAL COMMERCIAL, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >>MYOR HUDSON: THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK PLEASE COME FORWARD. HEARING NONE.

CLOSE THE HEARING. A MOTION AND A SECOND.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES,

[c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-043 - An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida; Rezoning a portion of the property generally located at or near 1602 South 30th Street, from (R-3) Single Family Moderate-Density Residential Zone to (C-3) General Commercial Zone; providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. Subject Property: Parcel ID: 2417-506-0033-000-9. SECOND READING]

MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

>> NEXT 23-043 ALREADY ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, REZONING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED 1602 SOUTH 30TH STREET FROM R-3, SINGLE-FAMILY MODERATE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE TO GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE. PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITIABLE CLAUSE PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SECOND READING. SEEING NO MOVEMENT TO COME FORWARD. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

A MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION AND A SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES, MA'AM.

[d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-044 - An ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida; amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of one (1) parcel generally located at or near 7325 Pruitt Research Center Road, from City of Fort Pierce (RM) Medium Density Residential to City of Fort Pierce (GC) General Commercial; providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. Subject Parcel: 2323-501-0001-000-3. SECOND READING]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 23-044, AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAV OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF ONE PARCEL LOCATED OR NEAR 7325 PRUITT RESEARCH CENTER ROAD FROM THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE RM, MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO CITY OF FORT PIERCE, GENERAL COMMERCIAL, GC, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND FOR ORDINANCES PARTS IN CONFLICT HEREWITH AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE SECOND READING.

ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK COME FORWARD.

SEEING NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

[e. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-045 - An ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce amending the City’s Zoning Atlas and establishing a Zoning Designation of Planned Development (PD) for one (1) parcel containing approximately 19.55 acres and being generally located at or near 7325 Pruitt Research Center Road in Fort Pierce, Florida; providing for a severability clause; repealing all ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. SECOND READING]

>> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 23-045.

AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AMENDING THE CITY ACE ZONING ATLAS AND ESTABLISHING A ZONING DESIGNATION OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FOR ONE PARCEL CONTAINING 19.55 ACRES AND BEING GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR 7325 PRUITT RESEARCH CENTER ROAD IN CITY OF FORT PIERCE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT HEREWITH.

AND PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.

A SECOND READING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SEEING NO MOVEMENT TO COME FORWARD, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

A MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MOVE

THE APPROVAL. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

SECOND. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES.

[f. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-046 Amending Chapter 103, Article V, Amending Section 103-203 Regulation of Stormwater Run-off. SECOND READING]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 23-046. AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AMENDING CHAPTER 103, BUILDING AND BUILDING REGULATIONS.

BUILDING DRAINAGE, REGULATION OF STORMWATER RUNOFF REQUIRED SLOPE. PROVIDE FOR PROFESSIONAL DRAINAGE AND POST DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.

PROVIDING FOR EXCEPTIONS FOR REQUIREMENTS DURING CONSTRUCTION WERE. PROVIDING FOR MAINTENANCE.

PROVIDING FOR GUTTER AND DOWNSPOUT REQUIREMENTS.

PROVIDING FOR PROHIBITIONS. PROVIDING FOR ENFORCEMENT.

PROVIDING FOR APPEAR APPLICABILITY, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

A SECOND READING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, COME FORWARD. SEEING NO MOVEMENT, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MOVE TO APPROVAL.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 23-047, ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO INCLUDE TWO PARCELS AT OR NEAR APPROXIMATELY 2570 SOUTH ROCK ROAD IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. AND SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A,

[g. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-047 An ordinance extending the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include two (2) parcels at or near approximately 2570 S. Rock Road. The parcel IDs are 2323-501-0011-000-6 & 2323-501-0013-100-1. FIRST READING]

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DIRECTING THE ST. LUCIE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO PUT IT ON THE CITY'S TAX ROLLS JANUARY 1, 2024.

AND ESTABLISHING THE ZONING DESIGNATION.

ESTABLISHING THE LAND USE DESIGNATION.

DIRECTING FILING OF THE ORDINANCE WITH THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT AND CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER OF ST.

LUCIE TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND DEMOCRAT GRAPHIC RESEARCH. AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

PLEASE PROCEED. >> THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AND CITY MANAGER.

WE BRING TO YOU TODAY ROCK ROAD BE ANNEX OCCASION NEAR 2570

SOUTH ROCK ROAD. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE

RECORD. >> CARRIE CHARLES, THE PLANNER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MISS CHARLES. THANK YOU, MISS COX.

I WAS THINKING DID I SEE YOU BEFORE.

NO. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YOU

ARE NOT INNER US HAVE, ARE YOU? >> NO, I AM NOT.

AT LEAST I WON'T TELL YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

JUST DON'T TELL US. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I SEE IT IS AN ANNEXATION. IT WILL BE FAIRLY TEPID.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PROCEED. >> OKAY, FOR THIS ANNEXATION, RICHARD LA VENTURE. PROPERTY OWNERS LIV 2, PARCEL 3232501-0011.006. AND 2323-501-0013-100-1.

IN SUMMARY, THERE IS AS REQUEST FOR REVIEW FOR VOLUNTARY APPLICATION OF ANNEXATION OF TWO PARCELS AT OR NEAR 2570 SOUTH ROCK ROAD. BACKGROUND, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION OF TWO PARCELS AT 25 70 SOUTH ROCK ROAD IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.

HAS A FUTURE LAND USE DES IG IG NATION.

FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE R-2 AND ST. LUCIE ZONING DESIGNATION OF AGRICULTURE ONE DWELLING UNIT, AR-1.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FUTURE LAND USE OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL RL WITH A JOKE CLASSIFICATION OF SINGLE-FAMILY, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL ZONE R INGS-1.

STAFF HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE UNINCORPORATED ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND CONTINGENT TO THE FORT PIERCE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY AND IN A SERVICE AREA.

THE CURRENT APPRAISED VALUES OF THE PROPERTIES $356,500.

THE SITE LOCATION AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 19.47 ACRES.

AGAIN, CURRENT ST. LUCIE FUTURE LAND USE RESIDENTIAL URBAN, ST.

LUCIE ZONING, AGRICULTURE, EXCUSE ME, PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE IS RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY WITH THE ZONING PROPOSED OF R-1, SINGLE-FAMILY LOW DENSE F-- DENSITY.

HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. STAFF RECOMMENDATION AS PROPOSED ANNEXATION MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, 1.11 REGARDING ANNEXATIONS. PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION AT THE JUNE 12 MEETING. THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATIONS.

POSSIBLE ACTIONS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD BE EITHER TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATIONS WHICH IS WHAT STAFF RECOMMENDS, OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND WELCOME.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH CHANGING OUR ZONING FROM COUNTY AGRICULTURE, WHETHER IT IS AG-1 OR AG RESIDENTIAL WHICH THIS ONE IS INTO OUR CITY CODE THE PROPE THEY ARE USED TO MANAGING IT AT THIS TIME? OR HOW IS THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?

>> AS MUCH AS FAR AS WE ARE AWARE, THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE TO THE APPROPRIATE USE THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO PURSUE. FROM A WIDER QUESTION POINT OF

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VIEW, WHAT WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED, APPLICATIONS WHERE THERE IS AN EXISTING AGRICULTURAL USE ON THE ZONING -- ON THE FUTURE LAND USE. WHAT WE ARE ADVISING APPLICANTS TO DO IN THAT CASE IS TO MAINTAIN THE EXISTING COUNTY FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING WHILE THEY ESTABLISH -- WELL, THE FUTURE USE OF THAT PROPERTY WILL BE.

THAT WAY THEY ARE ENTITLED TO MAINTAIN THE AGRICULTURAL USE AS IS ON THE PROPERTY UP TO A TIME WHERE THEY WANT TO REDEVELOP OR IMPROVE THE PROPERTY TO A DIFFERENT PURPOSE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SO IN THAT LANGUAGE OR JUST IN THE EYES OF THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER.

SO THEY ARE GETTING TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY IN THE EXACT SAME MANNER PER YOUR RECOMMENDATION. NO REAL CHANGES; HOWEVER, IT IS GOING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ALONG WITH THE APPROPRIATE --

>> IN THIS CASE,ER IN NOT RETAINING THE AGRICULTURAL USE ON THE PROPERTY. SO THAT DOESN'T APPLY.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MAKES IT A LITTLE EASIER.

>> THE PROPERTIES CAN MAINTAIN AGRICULTURAL USE BY JUST MAINTAINING THE COUNTY'S FUTURE LAND USE AS IT MOVES FORWARD OPINION STILL INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY LIMITS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD QUESTIONS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THIS THIS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> MAYOR HUDSON, COMMISSIONERS, MR. MIMMS, RICH LAVENTURE WITH ATLANTIC ENGINEERING. TO FURTHER THAT THOUGHT.

THE OWNER IS HERE, ED IS HERE ALSO.

WE KIND OF ASKED THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH A COMPATIBLE ZONING AND COMPATIBLEABLE LAND USE.

THIS IS THE CLOSEST WE COULD COME UP WITH, AND WE ARE SATISFIED WITH IT AT THIS POINT WITH -- WITH FUTURE DEVELOPMENT UP IN THE AIR. SO WE DIDN'T LOOK TO MIMIC OR PERPETUATE THE AGRICULTURAL LAND USE AND WE ARE HOPE WITH THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AT THIS POINT FOR THE TRANSITION AND ANNEXATION IF THAT HELPS. STAFF WAS VERY HELPFUL.

AND MADE A RECOMMENDATION. AND HERE WE ARE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

>> STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR ME. >> RICHARD LAVENTURE.

>> THAT'S WHAT I GOT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

OKAY, CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION AND A

MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL KERSHAW KERSHAW SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

[h. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for Final Plat, submitted by Property Owner(s), L&R, Inc., and Applicant, Brian Nolan, AICP, ASLA of Lucido & Associates, to subdivide approximately 19.54 acres of land (more or less) into 3 platted lots, a Road Tract, Stormwater Tract, and associated easements and buffers for the commercial subdivision of Project Hunt located at or near 7325 Pruitt Research Center Road in Fort Pierce, FL. The property is currently zoned Medium Density Residential (R-4). The applicant is requesting a rezoning to Planned Development (PD). Parcel Control Number: 2323-501-0001-000-3.]

>> OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE OUR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.

THE FIRST ARE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF APPLICATION FOR FINAL PLAT SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY OWNERS L &R, INC. AND APPLICANT BRIAN NOLAN OF LUCIDO & ASSOCIATES TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY 19.54 ACRES OF LAND INTO THREE PLATTED LOTS, ROAD TRACT, STORMWATER TRACT, AND ASSOCIATED EASEMENTS.

PROJECT WILL HUNT LOW DATED AT 7325 PRUITT RESEARCH CENTER ROAD. ZONED R-4 AND THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A REZONING TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS, AND I WOULD LIKE OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO READ KIND OF THE GUIDELINES AND IF EVERYBODY WILL LISTEN TO THEM. THEY WILL APPLY TO ALL OF THE REST OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THE CITY COMMISSION SERVING AS LEGISLATIVE AND QUASI-JUDICIAL ROLE.

WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, PASS LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICIES. WHEN ACTING AS A QUASI-JUDICIAL BODY, THE COMMISSION APPLIES LAWS AND POLICIES AND ARE HELD TO STRICTER PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS.

THEY ARE LESS FORMAL THAN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT BUT MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING.

QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS MUST FOLLOW BASIC STANDARDS OF NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASED ON COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE DUTY TO CONDUCT SUCH HEARINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATURES.

THE COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED THE UNIFORM PROCEDURES FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED THIS EVENING.

FINALLY, NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE DAIS, CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY CLERK DURING THE HEARING. IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT-AT-ARMS ONE OF THE TWO

POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU,

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MA'AM. MADAM CLERK, HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.

>> THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THIS ITEM HAS BEEN MET.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WILL YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS FOR EX-PARTE

COMMUNICATIONS. >> WHY EM.

COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: NO,

MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: NO,

HOME IN. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM. I SPOKEN TO THE APPLICANT AND OR

EXECUTIVES ON THE PROJECT. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NO, MA'AM. NOW WILL YOU SWEAR IN THE

WITNESSES. >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

>> I DO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, PLEASE PROCEED.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS.

BEFORE YOU YOU HAVE A FINAL PLAT ACTION FOR PROJECT HUNT LOCATED AT 7325 PRUITT RESEARCH CENTER ROAD.

THE APPLICANT, BRIAN NOLAN OF LUCIDO & ASSOCIATES, L&R, INC. .2323-5010001-000-3. APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THREE PLATTED LOTS, A ROAD TRACT, STORMWATER TRACT AND ASSOCIATED EASEMENTS AND BUFFERS FOR THE PROJECT HUNT SUBDIVISION. FINAL PLAT FOR THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE TITLED PROJECT HUNT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING A~ APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT. THE FINAL PLAT MEETS THE

CRITERIA ASS} >> HE SPIED IN CHAPTER 121 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

HERE IS AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT SHOWING THE THREE PARCELS AND THE STORMWATER TRACT.

PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT NOTING ONE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF.

ONCE AGAIN, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED REQUEST WITH THE ONE CONDITION.

APPLICANT SHALL BE SUPPLY THE TWO MILARS FOR APPROPRIATE SIGNATURES AND FILED WITH THE CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT WITH 1777.111. THANK YOU.

ONE LAST THING. POSSIBLE ACTIONS ARE THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT ARE TO APPROVE WITH THE ONE CONDITION, NO CHANGES. APPROVE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: ONE QUICK QUESTION. MY MEMORY COULD BE FAULTY HERE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT IS THE POSITION I AM TAKING.

IF BY REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WE DID A SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THIS A

FEW MEETINGS BACK? >> CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: AT THE TIME THERE WAS A LANDSCAPING PACKAGE MATTER THAT WAS GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING K57 DEPARTMENT. WE WANTED -- I GUESS, WE WANTED FULL REQUIREMENTS FOR -- COMPLIANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS. HAS THAT BEEN ADDRESSED AND THAT PARTICULAR MATTER -- HAS IT BEEN RES

RESOLVED? >> SO THAT -- THE LANDSCAPING -- CURRENTLY THE ONLY PARCEL THAT THEY ARE BUILDING ON IS, I BELIEVE, PARCEL 1. WHEN THEY COME IN FOR THE OTHER PARCELS THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE LANDSCAPE CODE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: SOME LINKAGE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WILL NOT GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE.

>> YES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. THE LOT OR PHASE ONE IS THE WESTERNMOST PARCEL, IS THAT ACCURATE? I DO REMEMBER THAT IT WAS THE IN BUFFER THAT WE INCLUDED.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE

SURE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: REFER

TO AS THE SAME SCENARIO. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON:

LANDSCAPE BUFFER. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING I WILL

SEND YOU A TEXT OR SOMETHING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

IS THAT IS IT FOR STAFF? I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO -- STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR AFFILIATION AND THEN TELL ME IF YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> CERTAINLY.

LEE DOBBINS WITH THE LAW FIRM REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.

WE TO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

APPRECIATE THEIR HARD WORK IN HELPING US GET TO THIS POINT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD WHAT THEY HAVE

ALREADY GIVEN US. >> I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.

YOU GUYS ALREADY APPROVED THE LAND USE AMENDMENT ON SECOND READING AND THE ZONING CHANGE ON SECOND READING.

SITE PLAN WAS PART OF THAT, AS YOU RECOLLECT, AND THIS IS SIMPLY THE PLAT WHICH IMPLEMENTS THAT SITE PLAN IN SHOWING THE

LOTS BEING PARCELLED OUT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GREAT.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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ANYONE ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MADAM MAYOR, I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT.

I MIXED THIS AT THE TIME THAT THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED THAT THIS TYPE OF USE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS THE PERFECT CASE SCENARIO. IT IS A GREAT INDUSTRIAL SERVICE TYPE USE. AND THRILLED TO HAVE THEM STAYING IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND DEVELOPING THIS LOT WITH AN IMPRESSIVE FACILITY. SO IT IS A WELCOME -- A VERY WELCOMED ADDITION IN THAT CORRIDOR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM.

HAPPY TO HAVE THEM STAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

IS THERE A MOTION? >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I MOVE

TO APPROVAL. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

SECOND. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION AND A

SECOND. >> MAY I HAVE CLARIFICATION, THE MOTION WITH APPROVAL WITH THE STAFF CONDITION.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT.

WITH THE CONDITIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WITH THE CONDITIONS. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES,

[i. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for a Final Plat Review submitted by applicant Kenneth Simigran to subdivide 1 parcel into 3 platted lots at 2671 S. Jenkins Road, Westcity FP Shops, more specifically located at Parcel ID: 2324-411-0000-000-3.]

>> NEXT REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR A FINAL PLAT REVIEW SUBMIT BY APPLICANT KENNETH SIMIGRAN TO SUBDIVIDE ONE PARCEL INTO THREE PLATTED LOTS 2671 JENKINS ROAD. I AM NOT GOING TO READ THE PARCEL ID BECAUSE RYAN WILL READ IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: HAVE THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS BEEN

MET. >> THE ADVERTISING HAVE BEEN MET

FOR THIS ITEM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: NO. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM GOING TO -- I AM GOING TO SAY NO UNTIL I HEAR SOMETHING THAT I MIGHT HAVE TO CORRECT.

>> I TONIGHT BELIEVE I HAVE SET ANY MEETINGS FOR YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NO, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NO, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NO, MA'AM. AND WOULD LIKE TO SWEAR IN THE

WITNESSES. >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND

NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> PROCEED.

>> MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS BEFORE YOU IS AN APPLICATION FOR FINAL PLAT FOR WEST CITY FP SHOPS. APPLICANT IS KENNETH SIMIGRAN.

AND IT PARCEL 2324-411-0000-000-3.

IN SUMMARY, THIS IS A QR FOR REVIEW OF APPLICATION FOR AT THAT FINAL PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE ONE PARCEL INTO THREE PLATTED LOTS.

THIS IS THE AERIAL MAP OF THE FOUR GIVE OR TAKE ACRES OF THE PARCEL. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THE ZONING IS C-3, GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THIS IS THE PLOT IN QUESTION.

STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY IS FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT WITH TWO CONDITIONS. ONE, THE APPLICANT WILL SUPPLY TWO MYLARS FOR APPROPRIATE SIGNIFICANCES AND WITH THE CLERK OF COURT 177-111. AND MUST PASS THROUGH INSPECTION BEFORE THE MYLARS ARE SENT TO THE CITY FOR SIGNAGE.

THE CITY COMMISSION'S ACTION FOR FINAL PLAT IS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS.

A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT WITH CHANGES.

OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS OF

STAFF. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ONE QUICK QUESTION. TAKING ONE PARCEL AND DIVIDING

IT INTO THREE. >> YES.

AND ONE MUCH THEM IS A STORM DRAINAGE PARCEL.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: PARCEL NUMBER 3.

>> YES. >> NO CONNECTIVITY OR ROAD

FRONTAGE. >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: PARCEL TWO IS OKAY ON THAT.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION, FRONTAGE AND CONNECTION.

SO IT IS OKAY? THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

WELCOME. INTRODUCE YOURSELF EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW YOU. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF

STAFF. >> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, PETE SWEENEY WITH THE SWIM OF SCARBOROUGH ON BEHALF THE APPLICANT ROAR NO QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> NO, WE ARE HERE TO HELP. WORKING WITH HIM AND HIS STAFF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP VERY QUICKLY ON COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON'S QUESTION, THE THIRD PARCEL, THE STORMWATER PARCEL. WE REACHED OUT TO THE CITY AND ASKED MR. THOMAS AND ENGINEERING IF THEY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING IT. UNDERSTANDABLY NOT WANTING TO TAKE ON ANY ADDITIONAL STORMWATER RESPONSIBILITIES, SO IT IS OURS. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT A CHAMPION YOU ARE.

THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NEXT

TO I-95. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS OF

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MR. SWEENEY >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A

MOTION FOR DISCUSSION. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: SECOND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. CONGRAT

[j. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for a Preliminary Plat, submitted by Property Owner(s), SK Savannah Lakes LLC, and Applicant, Dennis Murphy, Culpepper & Terpening, Inc., to subdivide approximately 132.696 acres of land (more or less) into 650 platted lots including common-area tracts, drainage & access easements, water management tracts, lift station easements, and utility easements for The Preserve at Savannah Lakes Subdivision at or near the East Side of S US Highway 1 at the intersection of Dickson Drive and lying North of the existing Gator Trace Planned Development in Fort Pierce, FL. The property is currently zoned Planned Development (PD). Parcel Control Number(s): 2426-333-0015-000-5, 2427-433-0002-000-1, 2427-433-0001-000-4, 2434-121-0001-000-8.]

CONGRATULATIONS. >> NEXT WE HAVE MUCH A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING FOR THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY OWNERS SK SAVANNAH LAKES LLC AND APPLICANT DENNIS MURPHY OF CULPEPPER & TERPENING TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY 1 2.6967 ACRES OF LAND MORE OR LESS 650 PLATTED LOTS, COMMON-AREA TRACTS, DRAINAGE AND ACCESS EASEMENTS, WATER MANAGEMENT TRACTS, LIFT STATION EASEMENTS AND UTILITY EASEMENTS FOR THE PRESERVE OF SAVANNAH LAKES SUBDIVISION EAST SIDE OF THE U.S. HIGHWAY 1 AT THE INTERSECTION OF DICKSON DRIVER AND LYING NORTH OF EXISTING GATOR TRACE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IN FORT PIERCE,

FLORIDA. >>MAYOR HUDSON: QUASI-JUDICIAL WITH TWO INTERVENORS. MISS COX.

HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS.

>> ADVERTISEMENT HAS BEEN MET. >>MAYOR HUDSON: NOTICE

REQUIREMENTS ALSO. >> YES, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ASKS COMMISSIONER OF EX-PARTE

COMMUNICATIONS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THIS PARTICULAR PLAN WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE PLANNING BOARD WHEN I WAS A MEMBER OF THAT BODY. SO THE ANSWER IS YES.

AND IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP HERE, AS WELL, IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT. PLANNING BOARD AND HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: JUST HE HERE.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YES, THIS HAS BEEN BEFORE ME HERE.

I MET WITH BOTH SIDES OF THOSE PART

PARTIES. >> DID YOU DO A SITE VISIT AS

WELL? >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

YES. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES, I MET WITH THE APPLICANT, THEIR REPRESENTATIVES. I MET WITH THE RESIDENTS OF ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS. AND ALSO DONE A PERSONAL SITE

VISIT. >> A SITE VISIT, YOU SAID?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: PERSONAL SITE VISIT, YES.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I HAD THE EXPOSURE HERE IN THE COMMISSION. I WATCHED THE PLANNING BOARD AND

CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I GOT TO EXPAND ON THAT AS WELL. I CONDUCTED A PERSONAL SITE VISIT AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO NUMEROUS PARTIES CONCERNING THIS

GOING BACK FOR SIX, NINE MONTHS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: AND SO, NOW, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN THE

WITTANCES. >> I DIDN'T KNOW WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ITEM STAND AND RAISE THE RIGHT HAND.

>> THAT INCLUDES MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO INTEND ON SPEAKING ON

THIS ITEM. >> DO YOU SWEAR SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>MAYOR HUDSON: PROCEED.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, BEFORE YOU YOU HAVE A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR SAVANNAH LAKES PRESERVE AT THE EAST SIDED U.S. SOUTH HIGHWAY 1, INTERSECTION OF DICKSON DRIVE AND LYING NORTH OF EXISTING GATOR TRACE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT PARCEL ID 2426-333-0015-00-5, PARCEL ID 2427-433-0002-000-1.

PARCEL ID 2427-433-0001-000-4. AND 2434-121-0001-000-8.

THE APPLICANT TENNIS MURPHY OF CULPEPPER & TERPENING.

THE PROPERTY OWNER SK SAVANNAH LAKES LLC.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THE SUBDIVISION OF THE PRESIDENT 132.696 ACRES MORE OR LESS AND 650 PLATTED LOTS TO INCLUDE PLATS, DRAINAGE, EASEMENT, WATER MANAGEMENT, LIFT STATIONS AND UTILITY FOR THE PRESERVE AT SAVANNAH LAKES SUBDIVISION.

THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A LAND USE DESIGNATION OF MEDIUM

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RESIDENTIAL AND ZONING OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

ONCE AGAIN, THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE IS MEDIUM-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH A ZONING OF PD PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

SURROUNDED BY MEDIUM-DENSITY LAND USE ON GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND ALSO MEDIUM-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH.

AND ZONINGS OF R-4 AND C-3. BEFORE YOU IS AN OVERALL VIEW OF THE PROPOSED PLAT. BEFORE YOU ARE THE SPECIFICATIONS BY THE CITY CODE FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

NUMBER ONE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SHALL REPRESENT THE ENTIRE AREA WHICH THE DUB DIVIDER CONTEMPLATES UNIT NOT AVAILABLE FOR IMMEDIATE DEVELOPMENT. FIVE COPIES OF THE PLAT WILL BE SMITHED FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. THREE, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WILL BE PREPARED BY A LAND SURVEYOR REGISTERED IN THE STATE AND CONTAIN, A, NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION, B ROAR THE NAME AND ADDRESS OF THE OWNER, AND C, AND THE DAY THE PLAT WAS DRAWN, E, BOUNDARY LINES OF THE TRACT INDICATED BY HEAVY LINE GIVING APPROPRIATE DIMENSIONS, F, BOUNDARY LINES OF LOTS, THE APPROXIMATE NUMBER OF LOTS. ANDG, NAMES OF ADJACENT PLATTED SUBDIVISION. FOUR, PREPARED BY THE ENGINEER REGISTERED IN IT STATE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DISTRICTER FOR REVIEW AND EFFECTED PROPERTIES AND AGENCIES.

A, TWO SETS OF THE PROPOSED STREETS STORMWATER AND SANITARY SEWER AND WILL SHOW THE FOLLOWING LATERAL, CENTER LINE PROFILE GRADE RELATIVE TO ELEVATIONS OF ADJACENT PROPERTY AT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE. THREE, ELEVATIONS AT POINT OF GRADE TAKE ENT. FOUR, CURVE DATA FOR HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL CURVES. FIVE, PIPE SIZE, GRADE AND LOCATION OF MANHOLES AND INLET'S.

SIX, STATIONING AT INTERVIEW OF 100 FEET MINIMUM AND ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION. B, TWO SETS OF CONSTRUCTION PLANS OF THE PROPOSED WATER SYSTEM THAT SERVE THE SUBDIVISION SHOWING THE SIZE AND LOW CHASE OF MAINS AND SERVICES.

CON STRUFRNGS PLACE TO BE DRAWN ON PROFILE PAPER HAVING SHEATH SIZE 24 INCHES BY 36 INCHES AND THE PLANS BE DRAWN AS LARGE SCALE AS PRACTICAL. D, TWO SETS OF DRAINAGE PLANS WHICH WILL BE PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION PLAN WHICH SHALL CONFIRM TO DRAINAGE REQUIREMENT FOUND IN THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. FIVE, OF SUB SECTION A-4 OF THE SUBSECTIONS. SIX, WHENEVER CITY UTILITY -- THE CITY UTILITY ENERGY IS PROPOSED TO BE USED AUDIO DIFFICULTY] -- WITH THE UTILITIES AUTHORITY AND FOR THE FURNISHING OF ELECTRICAL ENERGY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY UTILITY AUTHORITY. WHEN THE CITY UTILITY AUTHORITY GAS SHALL CONSULT WITH THE UTILITY AUTHORITY.

THE AUTHORITY SHALL ARRANGE FOR FURNISHING OF GAS IN COORDINATION OF THE CITY'S UTILITY AUTHORITY.

PLANNING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPLICATION, AS WELL AS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING WITH ONE CONDITION FOR THE JUNE 12, 2023 MEETING.

THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS 650 LOTS WITH THE COMMON AREA DRANLAGE, ACCESS EASEMENTS, WATER MANAGEMENT, LIFT STATION EASEMENTS AND UTILITY EASEMENTS FOR THE PRESERVE AT SAVANNAH LAKES SUBDIVISION. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH ONE CONDITION. PRIOR TO THE SUBMISSION OF THE FINAL PLAT WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ENGINEERING COMMENTS ON THIS FINAL PLAT CONSISTENT WITH CHAPTER 1 1 OF THE CITY CODE AND APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND IT YOU NOT ADVERSELY EFFECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE. POSSIBLE ACTIONS OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT IS RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PLAT WITH ONE CONDITION OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED PRELIMINARY PLAT.

CITY COMMISSION ALSO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO RECOMMEND ANY CHANGES. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. THIS IS THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF BY THE COMMISSION. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OF

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STAFF? COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

IN YOU WOULD BE KIND ENOUGH -- I THINK THIS IS FOR THE EDUCATION OF ANY SELF AND EVERYBODY HERE WHO HAS A CONCERN OR QUESTION RELATIVE TO -- THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

AND AS REFERENCED IN THE DOCUMENTS ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION, SUBSEQUENTLY, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME IN FOR A FINAL PLAT IF THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT WERE TO BE APPROVED.

AND YOUR CONDITIONS WOULD NEED TO BE MET AT THE TIME OF THE FINAL PLAT AS SUBMITTED. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT.

THIS IS THE MULTISTEP PROCESS. WHERE DOES THE SITE PLAN COME INTO THE PICTURE ON THIS? THE SITE PLAN REVIEW OR APPROVAL

OR DISCUSSION? >> THE SITE PLAN IS ATTACHED TO IT THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT; HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES WITHIN THE PRELIMINARY PLOT OR FINAL PLAT, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO AMEND THE SITE PLAN.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS STRIVING AT.

TWO-STEP PROCESS. PRELIMINARY PLAT, FINAL PLAT.

FINAL PLAT IS ALSO APPROVAL OF THE SUBDIVISION PLAN?

>> CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: LACK

OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION. >> MADAM MAYOR, IF I CAN ADD TO THAT. THE APPROVAL OF THE FINAL PLAT DOES NOT ADDRESS FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: DOES NOT?

>> NO. >> CHANGES THAT ARE STANDARD OR MINOR WHICH EFFECT THE LAYOUT -- OR THE OPERATION OF THE FINAL SITE PLAN, THAN THAT WOULD NEED TO BE COMING BACK TO THE BOARD

FOR APPROVAL. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: IF THERE WEREN'T ANY CHANGES, IT WOULD CONSIDERED APPROVED.

>> CORRECT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: HE RECALL THIS ISSUE AT THE PLANNING BOARD.

BY CAN'T REMEMBER THE TIMELINE BUT CLOSE TO IS A YEAR AGO AT THIS JUNCTURE. I REMEMBER I MADE THE MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. AND THERE WERE CONDITIONS TO THAT, SUBJECT TO THIS DRAINAGE MATTER.

37 AND IN THE CONDITIONS YOU HAVE SET FORTH HERE, INDICATES REQUIRED APPROVAL FROM THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ENGINEERING.

THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ENGINEERING IS NOT THE BODY THAT CONTROLS THE DRAINAGE MAP AND AT THAT TIME, IF I REMEMBER THE MOTION CORRECTLY, THAT THE BERM NEEDED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.

A CANAL NEEDED TO BE RENOVATED OR INSTALLED.

THERE WERE ALSO ISSUES WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY EASEMENT IN THAT AREA. AND I THINK I IS A YOU THAT ON YOUR OVERHEAD SHOT OF THE PARCELS ITSELF.

THE CONCERN, OF COURSE, IS THERE IS OBVIOUSLY POTENTIAL FOR A FLOODING PROBLEM INTO GATOR TRACE.

WE WANTED THIS CONTAINED. AT LEAST THE THOUGHTS OF THE PLANNING BOARD AT THE TIME AND THE CITY COMMISSION RATIFIED THAT AS WELL THAT THEY WANTED THAT CONTAINED ON THEIR SITE SOME CONSTRUCTION OF GATOR TRACE TO BUILD A BERM WHICH DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. SECONDARILY, THE COUNTY EASEMENT COULD BE UTILIZED IN SOME CAPACITY.

THAT JUNCTURE, THE CONSTRUCTION POINT.

YOU GOT CON /* TO CONSTRUCT A BERM AND THE STORMWATER RUNOFF CAPACITY. I REMEMBER THE COMMENT WAS MADE NOT BY ME BUT SOMEONE ON THE APPLICANT'S TIRED THAT WE HAVE TO BUILD A 14-FOOT-HIGH BERM. I AM LIKE IS THIS LIKE THE SECOND COMING OF NOAH'S ARK. I AM NOT TRYING TO BE FACETIOUS.

THERE IS A LOT INVOLVED. THE PACKAGE WAS DETAILED AND A LOT OF INFORMATION IN IT. TROOPS I MISSED IT.

I DON'T SEE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT OR PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. UP DON'T SEE ANY OF THE DETAIL REFERENCING THIS CANAL REM REMOVAL. MY UNDERSTANDING A CANAL THAT HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED. ANOTHER POINT.

ONCE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE OF THE DEVELOPER, WILL THEY BE MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY TO PREVENT PROBLEMS GOING FORWARD.

I AM THROWING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION POINT THEN AND IT WAS GLOBAL. HAS ANY OF THAT BEEN ADDRESSED YET? I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK IN FOR A FINAL REVIEW.

AT WHICH POINT IN TIME A SITE PLAN IS ATTACHED.

AND WITH NO CHANGES, IT IS THEN VOTED UPON IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.

IT IS THEN SUBSEQUENTLY SAY PROVED BY THIS BODY.

AM I MISSING SOMETHING IN THIS PROCESS AND HAVE THE STORMWATER

ISSUES BEEN ADDRESSED? >> I DON'T -- I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FINAL DESIGN OF THE STORMWATER ISSUES A THE TIME. THE PRELIMINARY PLOT OUTLINES SOME DEMORE OCCASIONS THAT WILL INCLUDE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS AND DESIGNATION. IF THEY DO NNOT THE APPROVAL OF

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THE SITE PLAN AND THE STORMWATER AND ANY OTHER VARIANCES WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH THE CITY'S REVIEW PROCESS INCLUDING EXTERNAL BODIES AS YOU MENTION AND THE CITY ENGINEERING.

>> THIS IS A NEW APPLICATION? >> MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY STEP IN IF ALL DUE RESPECT. WE HAVE A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHERE WEAR PROCEDURALLY. ARE PRIOR TO OUR HEARING TODAY, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TIMES THIS MAY HAVE COME BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION.

A REZONING TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT A REZONING TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDE A SITE PLAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT REZONINGS. THE SITE PLAN APPROVED WAS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE. NUMBER OF THINGS OUTSTANDING OF INFORMATION OF EXTERNAL FROM STATE AGENCIES.

AS A PRACTICAL MATTER, I WOULD EXPECT THE COMMISSION TO SEE AN AMENDED SITE PLAN TO COME BEFORE YOU IN IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

THAT IS ISSUE ONE. ISSUE NUMBER TWO PREVIOUS APPLICATION FOR PLAT APPROVAL. THAT APPLICATION WAS WITHDRAWN.

YOU ARE SEEING THIS. YOU SHOULD BE SEEING THIS WITH FRESH EYES AND APPLYING THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE RECEIVING TODAY TO THE EVIDENCE THAT IS -- EXCUSE ME, APPLYING THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU ARE RECEIVING TODAY TO THE CODE AS IT EXISTS TODAY.

NOT THE CODE AS IT EXISTED UNDER THE PRIOR APPLICAION.

OKAY. SO, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO FOCUS -- REFOCUS EVERYONE THAT THIS IS A VERY PRELIMINARY STEP UNDER THE NEW CODE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL IS NOT MANDATORY AND IT IS OPTIONAL. AND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THIS MATTER WILL COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: OKAY, THANK YOU.

THAT SUN COUNTY THINGS I WAS LOOKING TO GET CLARIFICATION OBJECT THAT THIS IS NOT. I UNDERSTAND THE NEW PROCESS IN THAT PARTICULAR INFORMATION, AN INTEGRAL PART OF THIS PROCESS AND WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT GO AROUND.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS MISS EARLEY.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING TO GET IN THE DOOR TO PACKAGE. I AM GOOD WITH THAT.

AND -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

INNER ELSE? YES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: TO ADD TO THAT CONVERSATION.

FREE MR. FREEMAN OR FLO FLORIDA GILMORE.

WHEN THE COMMISSION APPROVED THE SITE PLAN IN -- IT WAS IN 2022.

AND LOOKING AT THE CONDITIONS TODAY, LOOKING AT IT AS A PRELIMINARY PLAT. AND PRESENTED BY MI MISS EKINGARLEY. ARE THERE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO ANY OF THAT WHAT RESIDES TODAY AND THE NEXT STEP WILL BE THE FINAL PLAT AS YOU INDICATED AND TESTIFIED TO TONIGHT.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, IS THAT FINAL PLAT GOING TO BE ATTACHED TO IT A SITE PLAN THAT IS -- THAT IS EITHER SIMILAR OR THE EXACT SAME AS WHAT WAS PRESENTED.

>> OUR ADVICE TO THE APPLICANT IS ONCE THEY GET THE APPROVAL FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OUT OF THE WAY, SHOULD THEY BE ABLE TO DO THAT, THEN THEY REVISE SIT THEIR SITE PLAN.

AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SITE PLAN COMING BACK TO THE CITY, WE WOULD HAVE THE FINAL PLAT ACCOMPANYING ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ON THE SITE PLAN.

THAT COULD BE DONE IN PARALLEL. OR THE SITE PLAN COULD BE COMING AHEAD OF THAT BUT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT THE FINAL PLAT BE APPROVED OR MOVED FORWARD UNTIL W HAVE A REVISED SITE PLAN THAT ADDRESSES THE CONDITIONS AND THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY HEARD REGARDING THE SITE PLAN DIFFICULT TO WALK DOWN THE ROAD WE HAVE BEEN ON IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY.

A DELICATE BALANCE AS PO POLICE EARLEY PRESENTED .GO BACK A SLIDE. YOU TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONS AND OR -- YES, RIGHT HERE. JUST TO -- TO CONTINUE ON WITH

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COMMISSIONER BRODERICK'S COMMENTARY OR QUESTIONING, THE APPLICANT WILL ADDRESS ALL CITY OF FORT PIERCE ENGINEERING COMMENTS. HAVE THOSE COMMENTS BEEN ADDRESSED? ARE THERE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? ARE WE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRO PROCESS. THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS? WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT PART OF THE PROCESS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. GILMORE. >> I CAN READ YOU WHAT ENGINEERING COMMENTS WERE. SO ENGINEERING ONLY HAD TWO ADVISORY COMMENTS THAT WERE LOCATED IN HAD THE -- ON THE AGENDA PACKET. ONE PRIOR TO NUMBER ONE, PRIOR TO THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, ALSO DIVISION IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OR APPROVED ENGINEERING COST ESTIMATE ALONG WITH THE APPROPRIATE SURETY APPROVED BY THE THE CITY ENGINEER WILL NEED TO BE PROVIDED.

THE BOND SHALL INCLUDE ALL CONSTRUCTION COSTS OF THE SUBDIVISION INFRASTRUCTURE AND COMMON IMPROVEMENTS.

AND, TWO, PRIOR TO THE FINAL PLAT APPROVAL, A COPY OF THE RECORDED DEED RESTRICTIONS, A COPY OF THE FILED ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION ALONG WITH THE CERTIFICATE OF INCORPORATION FOR THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION SHALL BE SUBMITTED.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY -- THE ADVISORY COMMENTS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE NEXT PHASE OR NEXT PROCESS BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO THIS COMMISSION TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AS YOU GATHER ALL THE INFORMATION FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS, ARE YOU GOING TO RECEIVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS REGARDING STORMWATER AND PLANS AND DRAINAGE AND SITE WORK? BECAUSE, AGAIN, MY -- MY -- I KEEP BOUNCING BACK TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT REGARDING OTHER AGENCIES BEING

PART OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. >> IT WOULD BE EXPECTING THE -- SO LET'S STEP AWAY FROM THE PLAT AGAIN FOR A MOMENT.

OUTSIDE OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE WOULD THEN BE EXPECTING THE APPLICANT TO FINALIZE THE SITE PLAN WITHIN THAT PROCESS.

EXTENSIVE CONSULTATION OF THE AGENCIES THAT WE NORMALLY WILL INCLUDE INTERNAL ANDICS HE IS TERM AGENCIES AND INVOLVE REVIEW OF THE PARTICULAR STORMWATER SOLUTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN -- THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED. WE ARE NOT FULLY AWARE OF ALL OF THOSE AT THE MOMENT. AND THOSE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, EXAMINED BY BOTH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND EXTERNAL AGENCIES. AND IF THERE WERE -- AS PART OF THAT, AGREEMENTS REQUIRED THROUGH EXTERNAL AGENCIES INCLUDING THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE SELL STRAIGHTED AT

THAT POINT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU FOR THAT. GO BACK ONE MORE SLIDE OR MAYBE TWO, THE I DON'T EVERY ALL ZONING AND THE SURROUNDING ZONING. OKAY.

SO IN OUR PROCESS, IN 25022, WE TURNED THIS PARCEL THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT FROM MEDIUM

DENSITY INTO THE PD? >> CORRECT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: AND SO -- ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: OKAY.

JUST SO I AM CLEAR THAT I GOT THIS RIGHT.

THERE IS A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION WITH A SET OF RULES THAT A DEVELOPER HAS TO FOLLOW. RIGHT?

WHAT YOU JUST READ. >> RIGHT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: FOLLOW ALL THOSE RULES.

THAT IS PER ORDINANCE, PER CODE ONCE A DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH THE PRELIMINARY STAGES AND DO EVERYTHING YOU READ, M MR. GILMORE, ONE THROUGH WHATEVER YOU READ, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON TONIGHT. JUST PRELIMINARY.

>> YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: IF WE VOTE YES OR NO ON THE PRELIMINARY, DEPENDING ON THE VOTE, THEN IT GOES TO FINAL PLAT.

FINAL PLAT WITH SITE VISITS. SITE PLANS, SWIFT MUSOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

AND ALL THOSE ANSWERS WILL BE ANSWERED AT THAT POINT.

>> AT THAT OR BEFORE THAT POINT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: OR BEFORE THAT POINT, BUT BY THAT POINT.

BY THAT POINT. >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: BEFORE IT COMES TO US.

>> WHY YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ALL THE ANSWERS OUT THERE SHOULD BE ANSWERED WITH ALL THE THIRD PARTIES BEFORE WE VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT WE CALL FINAL.

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SO PRELIMINARY IS, WE TELL A DEVELOPER THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE

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TO YOU SUBMIT FOR OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

PRELIMINARY. AND ONCE THEY DO THAT AND YOU COME AND TELL US, THEY HAVE DONE A, B, C, AND D.

THEY HAVE DONE THAT AND THAT IS WHAT THEY WERE TOLD TO DO.

NOW IF THEY GET THAT APPROVAL, RIGHT, THEN ALL THE QUESTIONS WE ASK BEFORE, ALL THE QUESTIONS THA THE ENGINEER WANTS.

THE SOUTH FLORIDA WANTS. EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT ANSWERED SHOULD BE ANSW ANSWERED BEFORE COMES BACK BEFORE WE SAY YES OR NO ON SOMETHING THAT WE CALL FINAL.

>> YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: TODAY WE ARE JUST TALKING OF A PRELIMINARY.

FROM WHAT THIS RECOMMENDATION IS, THE DEVELOPER HAS FOLLOWED WHAT WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO SUBMIT.

>> YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK YO YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

SO THIS -- THIS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT GIVEN FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL FOR ALL OF US. SO PLEASE BEAR WITH US.

SO I WOULD RIGHT NOW LIKE -- ANYONE THAT IS COMING TO THE MIC. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, AND SAY WHETHER YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

AND SO NOW THAT THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN ABLE TO ASK THE STAFF THEIR QUESTIONS, IT IS NOW TIME FOR CROSS EXAMINATION OF STAFF BY THE APPLICANT AND THE PARTY INTERVENORS.

SO WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD PLEASE.

STATE YOUR NAME AND IF YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

>> DENNIS MURPHY FOR CULPEPPER & TERPENING HERE IN FORT PIERCE.

AND, YES, I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> YES.

A FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION. WHY ARE WE HERE? AND I ASK THAT BECAUSE I'M PROBABLY AS FILTH AS EVERYBODY ELSE. IF YOU THOUGHT YOU WERE CONFUSED BEFORE. YOU PROBABLY WILL BE CONFUSED NO YOU. WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST TIME, WE WERE THE POSTER CHILD OF THE CATALYST FOR COMING IN AND CHANGING THE CITY PLAT STANDARDS, OKAY.

REPETITION. AS YOU NOTED.

THE PETITION AND THE PLAT REVISIONS WERE MADE TO CHAPTER 121. AND WE ALLOWED THEM TO GO THROUGH THEIR PROCESS AND WE FILED OUR APPLICATION AGAIN.

OKAY. NOT A PROBLEM.

ITCH NEED TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A QUESTION?

>> WHY WE ARE HERE. WHY ARE WE HERE?

>> MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T WANT TO CUT OFF THE APPLICANT BUT I THINK I KNOW WHERE HE IS GOING WITH IT.

ON JANUARY 3 OF THIS YEAR, THE CITY COMMISSION AMENDED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCEDURE TO ADD OR TO CHANGE -- TO STREAMLINE IT SO WE CHANGED IT FROM A FRONT-END LOADED PROCESS TO IS A MORE STREAMLINE PROCESS. AND WE MADE THE PRELIMINARY PROCEDURE VOLUNTARY. SO QUESTION NUMBER ONE IS, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL AT ALL. BUT THERE IS A PROVISION IN THAT ORDINANCE THAT STATES THAT IT IS GOING TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

SO I THINK WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING IS THAT IT SHOULD HAVE ENDED AT THE PLANNING BOARD. I THINK THE REZONES THAT IS A LEGAL RESPONSE AND NOT A FACTUAL RESPONSE NOT FROM THE APPLICANT -- OR FROM YOUR STAFF. MY RESPONSE TO THAT IS WHEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT CODE WAS AMENDED, IT DIDN'T SPECIFY THAT THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD BE THE FINAL REVIEWER.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLANNING BOARD'S ORDINANCE, ARE REFERENCES RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION MEANING THE PLANNING BOARD IS AN ADVISORY BOARD THAT HAS TO SIT SUBORDINATE TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

THAT IS WHY WE DIDN'T JUST PULL IT.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DIDN'T -- IT HAD PROPER REVIEW.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE FIXED AND CLARIFIED IN THE ORDINANCE GOING FORWARD.

AGAIN, I WILL RREITERATE FOR MR MURPHY'S BENEFIT, THIS IS A VERY NARROW INQUIRY THAT THE CITY COMMISSION IS DOING TODAY.

ALL YOU ARE LOOKING AT IS WHETHER OR NOT THE INFORMATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS PROVIDED.

IF IT WAS PROVIDED, AND WHETHER OR NOT THE APPLICANT HAS MET

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THOSE CRITERIA AND THAT'S IT. ALL THOSE OTHER BIG QUESTIONS

ARE FOR A LATER DATE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, MA'AM. MR. MURPHY.

>> I AGREE WITH COUNSEL'S LAST COMMENT AND NARROW QUESTIN IN FRONT OF YOU. DOES THE APPLICANT MEET OR NOT MEET PRELIMINARY PLAT SUBMISSION.

BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU GO IN AND LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2 22-40. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKETS. 22-040.

AND YOU LOOK IN THE AMENDED SECTION 121-9, YOU SEE THE PART IN THERE THAT TALKS OF PRELIMINARY PLATS COMING TO THE COUNCIL -- COMING TO THE COMMISSION, RATHER, STRUCK THROUGH. NOW, I AM NOT -- I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. AND I AM NOT TRYING TO BE ONE, BUT JUST READING PRESUMPTIVELY, THAT THAT PARTICULAR CLAUSE DOESN'T APPLY ANYMORE. SO THE QUESTION IS -- AND I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

LIKE WHY ARE WE HERE. NOW, AGAIN, WE ARE FIRST.

SO GUYS ON POINT ALWAYS GET SHOT AT.

AND YOU FIND WHERE THE BUMPING ARE.

UNFORTUNATELY REPOUND THE BUMP AT:30 THIS AFTERNOON.

FOR A 5:00 MEETING. NOT A WHOLE LOT OF TIME TO GO AND FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON HERE.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM COMING UP HERE TONIGHT AND ANSWERING ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE RELATIVE TO WHERE WE ARE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS, WHERE WE ARE IN THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS. I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT, BUT I DON'T SEE A NEED TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING AND DO THE CROSS EXAMINATION AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF THAT SOMETHING FOR YOUR

OWN CODE ISN'T REQUIRED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WAS THAT QUESTION, IS YOUR QUESTION ANSWERED WHETHER -- WHETHER YOU LIKE THE ANSWER OR NO NOT.

>> I WOULD LIKE AN ANSWER. I THINK YOU SEE KIND OF WHERE I AM AT MOMENT AS TO WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO

FIGURE OUT FROM HERE. >> SO, MADAM MAYOR, 101.23 OF THE CODE, AND THAT IS IN REFERENCE TO THE POWERS AND DUTIES OF THE CITY'S PLANNING BOARD AND I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. THE LEGAL OBJECTION IS ON THE RECORD. AND WE CAN PROCEED.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

NOW I WOULD LIKE THE INTERVENOR -- THE INTERVENOR ONE.

WHO IS INTERVENOR ONE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SEE IF YOU -- AND YOUR ADDRESS AND HAVE YOU BEEN SWORN IN AND DO

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> THOSE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I KNOW. >> I WILL DO MY BEST ANSWER ONE

BY ONE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I CAN REPEAT THEM BECAUSE I HAVE A SCRIPT IN FRONT OF ME.

>> JOHN CAR BEGAN CARRIGAN. WITH THE LAW FIRM.

BASED IN STUART, FLORIDA. THE INTERVENOR AND HIGH POINT CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION INC. YOU LOOK AT YOUR SCREEN RM-4 ON THE TOP. THAT IS MY CLIENT.

I HAVE BEEN SWORN. WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>>MAYOR: DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> I HAVE ONE -- A FEW QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY. >> TAKING A LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE CITED BY MR. MURPHY, 2-040 AND CHAPTER 121 OF THE CITY CODE. IF THE APPLICANT OR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT DOES NOT MEET ALL THE CRITERIA, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT DOES NOT MEET THE CODE? STAFF MAYOR MRARZ GILMORE OR

FLORIDA FREEMAN. >> YES.

>> FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE PROPOSED NAME OF THE SUBDIVISION WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, A REASON IT DOES NOT MEET THE CODE AND NOT BE APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION, CORRECT?

>> MADAM MAYOR, AGAIN, I AM GOING TO OBJECT AT THIS POINT.

THE QUESTION IS ASKING STAFF WHO ARE FACT WITNESSES AT THIS POINT TO MAKE A LEGAL CONCLUSION. SO I AM GOING TO OBJECT.

I WOULD ADVISE STAFF NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> THANK YOU, THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

INTERVENOR NUMBER 2. >> MY NAME IS DAVID EARL WITH ROSS, EARL, CARRIGAN. I REPRESENT THE GATOR TRACE MASTER PROPERTY WE ARE AN INTERVENOR.

WE PROPERLY FILED IT. I HAVE BEEN SWORN.

I HAVE ONE OR TWO QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

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AND IT IS MAYBE A MORE PRACTICAL QUESTION THAN -- THAN THE DISCUSSION THUS FOR THE ORDINANCE, AMENDMENTS AROUND ALL THAT. I FAMILIARIZE MYSELF.

I SEE YOU HAVE A VERY STREAMLINE PROCEDURE.

I AM HAPPY ABOUT IT, MAYOR, I GOT TO TELL YOU THAT.

THE QUESTIONS YOU RAISED GOES RIGHT TO THE CONCERNS OF MY CLIENTS, THE PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION.

SO MR. FREE MAN. THE SITE PLAN THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED IN THIS CASE, DOES IT REFLECT THE OFF-PROPERTY USE OF A BERM ON ST. LUCIE COUNTY'S PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH?

>> AT THIS MOMENT, I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT THE SITE

PLAN SHOWS OR DOESN'T SMELL. >> FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE, MR. FREEMAN, GIVEN THE ESSENTIAL NATURE AND USE OF THE BERM AND THE DRAINAGE ON THE PROCESS THAT YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH, SHOULDN'T THE SITE PLAN REFLECT THE BERM OR HAVE REFERENCES AND INSTRUCTIONS REGARDING THE BERM FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE.

>> OUTSIDE OF THIS APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT, YES, THAT

WOULD BE THE CASE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHTY. FOLLOWING ALONG OF THAT, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS OF STAFF BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I HAVE A QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR.

WE -- WE STREAMLINED OUR PROCEDURES.

WE TOLD THE -- WE TOLD THE APPLICANT OR ALL APPLICANTS WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO GET PAST A -- OR PRELIMINARY PLAT.

CORRECT? NOT WITHSTANDING THE CODE AND EVERYTHING THAT CAME UP. MY QUESTION.

WHAT WE DREAM LINED AND TOLD THE APPLICANT.

ARE THEY DOING EVERYTHING IN THE STREAM LLINE THAT WE ASKED THEM

TO DO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. FREEMAN OR MR. GILMORE, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK THE QUESTION.

>> I WILL REFER THAT TO THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

POLICE E AREARLEY, HELP US HERE FOR OUR PROCEDURES.

>> MADAM MAYOR, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IT WILL BE UP TO YOU AS THE PRESIDING OFFICER TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE ANY ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY ALL ALLOWED. AT THIS POINT THERE WAS A QUESTION RAISED BY A CITY COMMISSIONER.

IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY, YOU ARE CORRECT.

THAT PERSON WOULD NEED TO BE SWORN AND SUBJECT TO CROSS EXAMINATION. SO, AGAIN, I WANT TO BRING US BACK TO -- I WANT TO BRING US BACK TO THE ISSUE.

STAFF IS -- IS INDICATING. THEY ALREADY MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. SO YOU CAN -- YOU CAN GIVE THAT WHATEVER WEIGHT YOU WANT TO GIVE IT.

BUT I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM ENGIN ENGINEERING.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU WANT -- DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: COMMISSIONER, FIVE OF US HAVE TO DO THIS. CAN YOU RESTATE YOUR QUESTION SO I CAN HEAR -- I DON'T KNOW -- I INTERPRETED YOUR QUESTION DIFFERENTLY THAN STAFF DID. SO -- I FELT LIKE IT COULD BE ANSWERED BY THE STAFF THAT HAS ALREADY MADE THE PRESENTATION.

SO CAN YOU RESTATE IT JUST FOR MY --

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: NO PROBLEM, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

MR. GILMORE, IF YOU GO BACK ON YOUR SLIDE, YOU WENT THROUGH A -- A POINT RIGHT HERE -- THIS IS WHAT YOU WENT THROUGH.

MY SIMPLE QUESTION IS ONE, TWO, THREE, GOES ALL THE WAY TO -- WHAT IS THE NEXT PAGE? ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR -- THROUGH

SEVEN, RIGHT? >> NO, COMMISSIONER, I THINK THE SLIDES ARE CONFUSING HERE BECAUSE THEY INCORPORATE REQUIREMENTS OF FINAL PLAT, AS WELL AS PRELIMINARY PLAT, SO THE

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PRELIMINARY PLAT, I THINK. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ONE, TWO, THREE? MY READING, IT WAS ONE, TWO,

THREE. >> ONE, TWO, THREE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT WAS MY READING WHEN I READ IT.

THAT IS MY QUESTION, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

MY QUESTION IS, THIS IS WHAT WE APPROVED.

THIS IS WHAT WE VOTED ON. THIS IS WHAT WE VOTED ON, SO MY QUESTION IS, DID THE APPLICANT COMPLETE OR DO EVERYTHING THAT

IS LISTED IN ONE, TWO AND THREE? >> SO PLANNING STAFF SENT THE PLAT TO VARIOUS CONSULTANTS, INTERNAL, EXTERNAL.

THE PLAT IS REVIEWED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

IF WE RECEIVED COMMENTS IT DOES NOT MEET ANY OF THESE, WE WILL ACT ON THAT. THIS APPLICATION, WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS THAT IT DIDN'T MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK YOU.

THAT IS THE QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. NOW STAFF HAS COMPLETED YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOU ARE EXCUSED.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND THE APPLICANT IS NOW -- I WOULD LIKE NOW FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.

AND IT'S -- MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION ON THIS.

YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 20 MINUTES ON THIS, EXCLUDING CROSS EXAMINATION. AND SO, PLEASE, PROCEED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON, YOU ASKED THAT THE STAFF BE EXCUSED.

DO YOU WANT THEM TO LEAVE THE TABLE?

OR ARE THEY OKAY THERE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD PREFER FOR YOU TO LEAVE THE TABLE.

BECAUSE IT REALLY MEANS YOU ARE EXCUSED.

YOU CAN'T LEAVE THE BUILDING, I DON'T THINK.

YOU CAN TRY. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE RECORD AGAIN, MY NAME IS DENNIS MURPHY.

I HAVE BEEN SWORN. WITH CULPEPPER & TERPENING HERE IN FORT PIERCE. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE A COUPLE OF TIMES. NOT WITHSTANDING THE ARGUMENT THAT I AM NOT SURE I NEED TO BE HERE, BUT I WILL DO IT ANYWAY.

AND FOCUSING SOLELY ON THE QUESTION OF IF THE APPLICATION THAT WE SUBMITTED, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE AREA OF SAVANNAH LAKES IS COMPLIANT WITH CITY CODE.

WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS. WE BELIEVE THAT THE STANDARDS OF REVIEW SET OUT CHAPTER 121 AND SUBMISSION CRITERIA FOR 121 FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS BEEN SATISFIED AS EVIDENCE ON STAFF REPORTS AND THE PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. I DO NOT FEEL IT IS APPROPRIATE OR NECESSARY TO GET INTO A L LONG DIPLANIC STIPE DISCUSSION OF STORMWATER AND DESIGN ISSUES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW. WE KNOW FULL WELL, AS WAS POINTED OUT BY SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE EARLIER, WE ARE OBLIGATED TO SATISFY ALL CITY, COUNTY AND STATE DESIGN CONSTRUCTION CRITERIA THROUGH THE STAGES OF THIS PROJECT.

AND THE PROJECT WILL BEGAN -- IF YOU ARE CORRECT, ROUGHLY A YEAR AGO JULY 2, 2022. APPROVAL ORDINANCE FROM THE CITY COMMISSION. JUST ABOUT A YEAR.

AND THE CONDITION FOR APPROVAL FOUND IN THE ORDINANCE.

WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THEM. AND WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THEM AS WE GO THROUGH THE FINAL STAGES.

WHEN WE GET TO THE FINAL PLAT DOCUMENTATION, WE WILL BE ABLE TO GO AND CHECKLIST THEM OFF AND SAYING HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.

THEY HAVE BEEN SATISFIED. TEY HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.

THE COMMENTARY THAT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT RELATIVE TO THE -- MEETING THE CITY ENGINEER REQUIREMENT FOR THE PLAT, I THINK THEY WERE READ TO YOU BY CITY STAFF.

THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH COOKIE CUTTER.

IT SAYS, HEY, WE HAVE TO BOND THE WORK WE ARE GOING TO DO.

STANDARD TYPE DOCUMENT AND GO AND PROVIDE THE POA DOCS.

STANDARD PROCEDURES AND PROVIDED AT THE FINAL STAGE.

THE REASON WE ARE DOING PRELIMINARY OPPOSED WHAT I HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL.

PRELIMINARY BECAUSE OUR INTENTION TO BRING FINAL IN TWO PHASES. YOU KNOW HOW THE PROJECT IS LAID OFF. WE HAVE AN AREA.

A LARGE WETLAND AREA IN THE MIDDLE.

A LARGE CONSERVATION AREA IN THE MID{SUFFIX}LE.

EAST SIDE AND WEST SIDE. WEST SIDE FIRST FOLLOWED BY EAST SIDE DEVELOPMENT. FINAL PLATS AND WE GET TO DO THIS TWICE MORE. DOING THE FINAL PLATS IN TWO PHASES. FINAL PLAT 1 OR 2 OR WHATEVER THEY ARE CALLED. I WILL BE BACK FOR THAT PART OF I IT.

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I MEAN REALLY, WE MEET THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND IN THE CONFINES OF 121 AND SUBMISSION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW NOT WITHSTANDING THE OTHER COMMENTS ALREADY MADE.

I SEE NO REASON WHY WE WOULD NOT GET A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A PRELIMINARY PLAT. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT.

IT REALLY IS A SIMPLE, STRAIGHTFORWARD ITEM THAT WE ARE GOING TO TURN INTO BEING A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED MATTER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. I POLL GUISE IF THAT SOUNDS

TRUST IN RATING BECAUSE I AM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: BECAUSE YOU ARE

FRUSTRATED. >> THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE PROCESS THAT, CORRECT ROAR HAS BEEN STREAMLINED.

HAS TAKEN ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT NOT REQUIRED FOR PLAT FILING ACTIONS OUT.

AND DOWN TO SIMPLY DRAWING THE LINES ON THE MAP SO THEY CAN BE ULTIMATELY PUT IN THE LAND RECORDS OF THE COUNTY.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD PRESERVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT COME UP THROUGH ALL THIS. I AM SURE THERE WILL BE A FEW.

A WE WILL SEE WHERE WE GO FROM

THERE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT NOW IT IS TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO ASK YOU ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY WANT

TO ASK. >> I AM LIGHT HERE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, MR. MURPHY.

YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH ANOTHER CITY PROCESS, ADVISORY BOARD AND IT PLANNING BOARD TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER?

>> YES. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: CAN YOU COMMENT OR TESTIFY TO THE CONDITIONS OR COMMENTS OF THAT PLANNING BOARD? BECAUSE NIBBLE OUR CHAPTER 121 AS YOU REFERENCED THAT A PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS INCLUDES THE PLANNING BOARD COMMENTS, THEIR ADVISORY TO THE COMMISSION. SO WHAT DID YOU TAKE AWAY FROM

THAT MEETING? >> SATISFIED THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT COMMENTS THAT WERE OUTSTANDING FROM THAT.

AND TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS CONFORMING TO CITY CODE.

I DON'T RECALL THERE BEING ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR ASPECT OF A PROJECT OR ANOTHER AS IT RELATES TO THE FINAL PLAT. BASICALLY WHAT IS IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. THE STAFF REPORT IS VERY THOROUGH IN THAT PART OF IT. OUTLINES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NOT A TRICK QUESTION.

I WANTED TO SEE WHAT YOUR TAKEAWAY.

>> THAT WAS MY TAKE. AWAY FROM IT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY, IF YOU WOULD, SIR, TAKE A SEAT AT THIS TABLE UP HERE.

AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN NOW, IS IT IS TIME FOR CROSS EXAMINATION OF THE APPLICANT TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS.

SO LET'S SEE. DOES STAFF -- I THINK I NEED STAFF BACK, IS THAT RIGHT, MISS EARLEY?

>> ONLY IF STAFF HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: INTERVENOR NUMBER ONE, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND I AM SORRY TO ASK TO YOU DO THIS AGAIN. INTRODUCE YOURSELF AGAIN FOR THE

RECORD. >> JOHN CARRIGAN, ON BEHALF OF INTERVENOR NUMBER 1, HIGH PINT OF FORT PIERCE SECTION AND I

HAVE BEEN WORN IN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, I

SIR. >> MAY I PROCEED.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SURE. >> DO YOU RECALL 364 DAYS AGO APPEARING BEFORE THIS CITY COMMISSION AT A QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDING PERTAINING TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION FOR

PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVAL? >> THE -- THE PRELIMINARY PLAT

-- AM I ON -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU -- THE TIME FOR THIS IS FIVE MINUTES.

TIME IS LIMITED. MR. MURPHY.

>> I AM NOT SURE IF IT IS 364 DAYS BECAUSE THE TIME WHEN THE P.U.D. THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PRESENTED SOME PERIOD OF TIME.

I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT DATE OF THAT.

>> DO YOU RECALL A HEARING WHEN YOU WERE PUT UNDER OATH.

>> YES. >> DO YOU RECALL TESTIFYING IN

THAT HEARING? >> YES.

>> CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH, WHAT CHANGES BETWEEN THE APPLICATION THAT WAS WITHDRAWN AT THE JULY 18, FWENZ 2021 CITY COMMISSION MEETING AND THE CURRENT APPLICATION.

WHAT CHANGES WERE DONE TO THE OF THE APPLICATION?

>> THE PLAT WAS REF ADVISED FOR CURRENT STANDARDS FOR THE CITY

OF FORT PIERCE. >> WHAT DID THAT INCLUDE?

>> I WILL LOOK AT THE COMPLETE LIST CHAPTER 121, THE PLAT SUBMISSION STANDARDS TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH

THAT. >> WERE IN HI OTHER CHANGES

DONE? >> EXCUSE ME?

>> WERE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES DONE?

>> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE.

>> DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE PLAT.

>> I HAVE REDUCED COPIES OF THE PLAT.

>> CAN YOU PROVIDE THE COMMISSION WITH ANY TESTIMONY

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WITH THAT WHAT CHANGES WERE UNDERTAKEN OR YOU CAN'T TO THAT.

>> I THINK I ALREADY ANSWERED THAT.

I PERSONALLY DID NOT PREPARE THE PLAT.

THE PLAT WAS PREPARED BY OUR SURVEYING DEPARTMENT AND WE SUBMITTED IT TO THE CITY. IF THERE WAS A LINE THAT CHANGED FOR WHATEVER REASON OR A NUMBER THAT CHANGED SOME PLACE ON THERE TO SATISFY THE CURRENT STANDARDS, I WILL HAVE TO SAY GLOBALLY BROUGHT CONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS IN EFFECT AT THE

TIME OF SUBMISSION. >> OKAY.

BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY INDIVIDUAL KNOWLEDGE OF ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES, THAT'S CORRECT?

THAT'S CORRECT. >> YOUR TESTIMONY TODAY THAT THE PLAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF 121-10, PLATS}

>> HE IF I DAYS, PRELIMINARY PLAT?

>> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, YES.

>> ASK YOU JUST SHOW ME ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, SUBSECTIONS 3-D PROVIDES THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WILL BE PREPARED BY A LAND SURVEYOR REGISTERED IN THE STATE AND CONTAIN THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION SUBSECTIONS, SCALE, AND THE DATE THAT THE PLAT WAS DRAWN. CAN YOU POINT OUT TO KNEE WHERE IT INDICATES ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THE DATE THE PLAT WAS DRA DRAWN.

>> FOR THE RECORD, I AM REFERENCING THE PLAT MATERIALS THAT ARE FOUND IN STAFF REPORT. I DO NOT HAVE A COPY OF THE FINAL PLAT IN FRONT OF ME HERE. AND I AM JUST GOING TO GRAB ONE SHEET HERE REAL QUICK. AND A QUICK AND DIRTY.

IF YOU LOOK AT -- I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU WHAT SHEET IT IS, BUT ON ALL OF THE PLAT SHEETS, YOU WILL SEE TYPICALLY IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER A NORTH ARROW, A SCALE BAR AND SHOULD BE AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT OF THE GRAPHIC DRAWING THE STATE OF WHICH THE DOCUMENT WAS PREPARED AND LAST REVISED.

A TITLE BLOCK ON EACH ONE OF THE PAGES AND SHOULD HAVE THE NOTATION CONTAINED THEREON THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DOCUMENTS.

>> DOES THE COMMISSION MIND IF I HAND HIM A COPY OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THE APPLICATION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NO. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE

ALL OF IT. >> YEAH, THAT IS FINE.

MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT ONE. >> WHAT I HANDED YOU WAS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION.

TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE HAS THAT BEEN MODIFIED AT ANY POINT IN TIME

WITH STAFF? >> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NO.

THIS IS -- THIS IS NOT BEEN MODIFIED.

>> SO IF YOU CAN POINT OUT ON THERE AND THE COMMISSION THE

DATE THAT THE PLAT WAS DRAWN. >> PRINT TIME IS NOT THERE.

>> THAT PARTICULAR ELEMENT IS NOT THERE.

>> YOU WILL AGREE DOES NOT RIGHT THE REQUIREMENT OF 121 AD 3 THAT REQUIRES -- THIS IS YOUR CODE FOR THE COMMISSION, SCALE AND THE DATE. WHAT YOU SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION IS NOT INCLUDE THE DATE THE PLAT WAS DRAWN,

CORRECT? >> THE PLAT -- THE INFORMATION THAT I WAS LOOKING AT THERE, I DID NOT SEE THE DATE STAMP ON THE DRAWING. THE SCALE ON THE NORTH ARROW ARE SHOWN FOR THE GRAPHIC FOR PAGES. YOU DON'T TYPICALLY PUT A SCALE ON THE NORTH ARROW ON THE TEXT PORTION OF THE PLAT.

>> FAIR ENOUGH. ANY REASON THAT A DATE THE PLAT

WAS DRAWN IS INCLUDED OR NOT? >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF.

ALL RIGHTY. INTERVENOR NUMBER TWO.

PLE PLEASE.

>> MAY I SAY SOMETHING? >> FOR THE RECORD DAVID ROSS FROM STUART. BY REPRESENT THE GATOR TRACE MASTER PROPERTY ASSOCIATION. MR. MURPHY, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WE ARE ON THE PRELIMINARY PLAT POINT.

YOU STILL HAVE SOME THINGS TO DO, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. >> SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMITTING IS YET TO COME, CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> A LEASE PERPETUAL IN NATURE WITH ST. LUCIE IS YET TO COME, CORRECT?

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>> A PERMIT FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY WHICH MAY BE THE EQUIVALENT OF A REFERENCED LEASE WITH THE COUNTY RIGHT-OF-WAY IS

-- >> IS IT YOUR APPLICANT'S INTENTIONS TO ELIZABETH SMART TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMMISSION A COPY OF PERMIT, LEASE, OR WHATEVER INSTRUMENT BY WHICH YOU CONSTRUCT THE BERM IN HE IS FOR YOUR DRAINAGE?

>> THAT IS AN OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE CITY WITH ALL APPLICABLE PERMITS RELATED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS

PROPERTY. >> THAT IS TO BE DONE?

>> THAT IS THE LAST THING THAT GETS DONE.

>> BUT IT IS TO BE DONE. >> YES.

>> OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY.

NOW IT IS TIME -- DOES ANY COMMISSIONER HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AFTER THESE IT QUESTIONS?

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

SO I WAS LOOKING HERE AT -- YOU WERE ASKED A QUESTION, MR. MURPHY. DID I GET THAT RIGHT? SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO CALL YOU A WRONG NAME. SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SIR, I WAS REVIEWING THE OBJECT THAT DID NOT HAVE THE DATE.

WAS THAT THE APPLICATION THAT YOU SUBMITTED TO THE APPLICATION PROCESS? IN THE BACK-UP DOCUMENTS HERE.

>> THE SITE PLAN GRAPHIC THAT WAS SHOWN TO ME APPEARED TO BE THE SITE PLAN -- SORRY, THE PLAT GRAPHIC, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT GRAPHIC SHOWN TO ME A FEW MINUTES AGO AND TO BE ONE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE PACKAGE AND DID NOT HAVE A PRINT DATE

STAMP ON IT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

UP MAY BE EXCUSED FROM THE TABLE.

YOU MAY NOT LEAVE THE CHAMBER. INTERVENOR NUMBER 1, DO YOU HAVE

A PRESENTATION TO MAKE? >> I DO.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 20 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU, JOHN CARRIGAN. ON BEHALF OF INTERVENOR NUMBER ONE, HIGH POINT. CAN I HAVE STAFF PULL UP A DEPICTION OF THE AREA. I THINK LAST TIME THERE WAS SOME

ORIENTATION ISSUES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT THEY WILL DO IS OPERATE THE MACHINERY BUT NOT ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. THAT IS PERFECT.

SO, AGAIN, JOHN CARRIGAN. I HAVE BEEN SWORN FOR THE RECORD. IN FRONT OF YOU HERE IS A COPY -- OR A DEPICTION OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE VERY TWO TOP CORNERS OF THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY LINE, THAT IS HIGH POINT OF FORT PIERCE.

IT CONSISTS OF THREE DIFFERENT SECTIONS.

SECTION ONE THE MOST WESTERN, SECTION TWO IN THE MIDDLE AND SECTION THREE IS THE EASTERNMOST SIDE.

IF YOU RECALL, THE APPLICANT HAS TESTIFIED THAT THERE MAY -- WAS NOT SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT APPLICATION THIS TIME. SO I WOULD INCORPORATE THE REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSION TAKE NOTICE THAT THERE WAS TESTIMONY PROVIDED IN HAD EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE JULY 18, 2022 COMMISSION HEARING. AND I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THAT THERE HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGES BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATION TO THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT THE TESTIMONY PROVIDED AT THAT HEARING WHICH IS OF YOUR RECORD, RIGHT, CAN BE TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION AND WEIGHING WHETHER THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT SHOULD BE APPROVED OR DENIED OR APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS. I BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BRING UP TWO WITNESSES THAT WILL PROVIDE TESTIMONY, BUT MORE REALISTICALLY, MY CLIENT HAS TWO PRIMARY CONCERNS -- WELL, THREE PRIMARY CONCERNS.

THE FIRST ONE ON THE EASTERNMOST BOUNDARY.

THE NORTHEASTERNMOST BOUNDARY OF THIS PARCEL, THERE IS A LAKE AREA THAT MY CLIENT REFERS TO AS THE BURROW PIT.

DUG OUT AT THE TIME DEVELOPING HIGH POINT OF FORT PIERCE AND ARE USED TO PROVIDE ELEVATION TO TO THE HOMES ON THAT SIDE.

THAT PROPERTY IS SUBJECT TO FLOODING .REPEATED FLOODING EVERY TIME THERE IS A HEAVY RAINSTORMS. THE SECOND PERTAINING TO MY CLIENT IS THE NORTHWESTERN BRY WITH THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT. THAT PERTAINS TO A LAKE THAT APPEARS AND RUNS ADJACENT TO A ST. LUCIE DRAINAGE CANAL.

AND THAT AREA IS PRONE TO FLOODING.

I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS DISCLOSE -- AND TO TAKE PERSONAL SITE INSPECTIONS. AND HARD TO DO THAT LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS AND TO GO AND SEE HOW THINGS ARE.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL PRESENT MY FIRST WITNESS.

BARB CAMPANEL. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SHE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF HIGHPOINT OF FORT PIERCE SECTION ONE.

>> SMELL YOUR LAST TIME IN. >> BARB --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SPELL YOUR LAST NAME.

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>>CAMPPANILE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOUR ADDRESS.

>> 64 PINE NOMINATE KNO WILL,LS DRIVE FORT PIERCE, SECTION ONE.

GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. CURRENTLY I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT AND OF SECTION ONE AND FALLS WITHIN MY RESPONSIBILITY TO GET THE FLOOD PUMP RUNNING. NOW THE FLOOD PUMP IS A 1978 DIESEL WITH TRANSMISSION BUILT IN RACINE, WISCONSIN.

I AM FROM THE TWO RIVERS AREA. THIS BABY IS A 290 HORSEPOWER WITH HORIZONTAL PTO THAT TURNS AT 1800 RPM AND GOES INTO A RIGHT ANGLE DRIVE, OPINION GEAR DRIVE, THAT GOES DOWN.

AND WHEN YOU START THAT UP, YOU HAVE TO WAIT ABOUT 10, 15 MINUTES FOR THE DIESEL TO HIT. ABOUT 180 DEGREES OPERATING TEMPERATURE. ONCE IT HITS 180, WE ENGAGE THE POWER TAKEOFF. WE USE DRIP OIL LBRUB OCCASION FOR TWHAT IS IN THE LAKE. THAT BABY PUMPS AT 12,000 GALLONS PER MINUTE. DESPITE OF THAT, THE WATER DISTRICT SPECIFIES THAT WE TURN THAT PUMP ON AT 15.75 FEET.

PLUS OR MINUS 2,000. YOU CAN NOT ANTICIPATE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THEY GET HIT WITH A BRAIN STORM.

PRESIDENT SATURATION OF THE GROUND.

I HAVE A LOG RECORD OF PUMPING THAT WAS DONE.

THAT WENT FROM JANUARY 29 TO FEBRUARY 6 SEVERAL YEARS AGO.

AT ONE POINT WE PUMPED 8 MILLION GALLONS.

AND ANOTHER POINT, 3 MILLION GALLONS.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE WOULD START PUMPING AT 16 FEET AND GET IT DOWN TO ANYWHERE 15 FEET. WITHIN 24 HOURS THE WATER WILL BE BACK UP. BECAUSE THE SPONGE IS FULL.

THE WATER IS GOING TO SEEK ITS OWN LEVEL.

SO REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THAT AND THE ABILITY TO PUMP, THE SATURATION LEVEL AT 100%, HIGH POINT BOULEVARD HAS FLOODED. SECTION 3 HAVE FLOODED.

MOST OF THE STREETS HAVE FLOODED.

THERE IS NO WAY TO EMPTY THE SPONGES.

THEY ARE FULL. AND I WOULD LIKE YOU AUTO SOMETIME TO PUT YOUR GALOSHES AND A RAINCOAT ON AND COME OUT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DEAL WITH EN WE TRY TO CONTROL THE LAKE LEVELS.

IT IS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT REALLY, WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS TO TAKE HALF OF 130 SOMETHING ACRES AND TAKE THAT SPONGE AND TURN IT INTO CONCRETE.

THAT WILL EXACERBATE THAT SITUATION.

IT WILL ALMOST GUARANTEE FLOODING THAT WE CAN NOT CO CONTROL. SO, YOU UNDERSTAND NOW WHAT WE TRIED TO DO WITH THE PUMP THAT WE HAVE.

THAT DECEMBER IS A GREAT BABY AND PUMPS A LOT OF WATER.

AND PEOPLE HAVE REPORTED WHEN WE TEST IT MAKE SURE IT IS RUNNING OKAY. WATCHING A 20-FEET STREAM OF WATER OUT OF A 36-INCH PIPE. THAT IS A LOT OF WATER FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, GET THE BUMP GOING AND GET IT GOING IN A TIMELY MANNER. I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

LISTENING TO ME. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU AND MAYBE YOU SAID IT, WERE YOU SWORN IN?

>> YES, I WAS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I THOUGHT THAT.

I WANTED TO SAY THAT FOR THE REC

RECORD. >> IF FOR THE INTR INTERVENOR

SECOND, WILL CALL CLIFF SAVAGE. >> MR. SAVAGE.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> CLIFFORD SAVAGE.

338 SMALLWOOD AVENUE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WERE YOU SWORN

IN? >> NO.

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: MISS COX NEEDS TO SWEAR YOU IN.

>> RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

>> YES, MA'AM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: PROCEEDS.

>> I HAVE A MAINTENANCE COMPANY. I WORKED IN MY POINT SINCE AUGUST 1, 1984. AUGUST IT HAS BEEN 39 YEARS.

OVER THE YEARS I HAVE SEEN QUITE A BIT OF FLOODING OCCUR.

AND -- IN HIGH POINT. AS BARBARA HAD STATED WE HAVE A BUMP THAT MOST OF THE TIME HANDLES OUR SITUATION, BUT IN THE PAST, WE HAVE BEEN INUNDATED WITH WATER.

AND WE HAD WATER COME FROM THE LAND THAT THIS PRESERVE IN THE EFFORT TO DEVELOP. THE WATER CAME IN HERE -- SOMETIMES FOR OVER A WEEK THAT WE GOT WATER COMING IN FROM THAT PROPERTY. SO OUR MAIN CONCERN IS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THIS DEVELOP IS -- IS ACCEPTED, THAT THEY -- THAT THEY MAINTAIN THEIR WATER ON THEIR PROPERTY AND IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT US AND COME ON TO OUR DEVELOPMENT.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THERE ARE TWO AREAS THAT WE HAVE WATER PROBLEMS WITH. ONE IS UP IN THE CORNER WHERE THERE IS A BURROW PIT. ON THE EAST SIDE, THERE IS A CANAL THAT IS WHERE THE WATER COMES IN FROM THEIR PROPERTY.

SO WE ARE TRYING TO MAINTAIN OUR WATER AND OUR SITE SO WE DON'T GET THEIR WATER AGAIN. I THINK THAT IS ABOUT IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU.

>> DON'T LEAVE ANYWHERE JUST YET.

TELL THE COMMISSION OF WITH THE WILD HOGS THAT YOU ARE EXPERIENCING AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARCEL WHICH IS A RESERVE AREA MAY AX ACERBATE THAT ISSUE?

>> YES. IN THE PAST WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH HOGS COMING INTO OUR PROPERTY.

RECENTLY, WE JUST HAD THEM COME IN FROM THIS AREA WHICH IS A NATURAL AREA AND I UNDERSTAND YOU GET HO GO,S OUT THERE.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN INUNDATED AGAIN THIS YEAR.

THEY FOR UP SEVERAL OF OUR YARDS.

WE HAD TO REPLACE THEM AND FIX THEM.

SO WHEN THIS DEVELOPMENT STARTS OVER THERE, WE ARE REALLY GOING TO BE INUNDATED WITH SOME OF THE WILDLIFE FROM OVER THERE.

SO IF THERE IS A WAY THAT I CAN THEY CAN EITHER DO SOME TRAPPING, PERHAPS, AND TRY TO CONTROL SOME OF THIS.

IT WILL BE MUCH APPRECIATED BECAUSE IT HAS -- IT IS A MAJOR ISSUE WHEN THEY DO COME THERE. THEY HAVE A FENCE ALONG THERE.

BUT WITH THE HO GO,S, THEY HAVE A MIND OF THEIR OWN.

SO IT IS AN ISSUE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ONE MORE QUESTION AND THEN I WILL LET YOU GO UNLESS THE COMMISSION HAVE REQUEST HE IS FOR YOU.

MY QUESTION IS, AT ANY POINT IN TIME SINCE JULY OF LAST YEAR.

ARE YOU AWARE IF THE APPLICANT OR ENGINEERS REACHED OUT TO THE ASSOCIATION TO DISCUSS ISSUES OF DRAINAGE, WILDLIFE OR ANYTHING

ELSE? >> NO, SIR, NOTHING.

>> DOES THE COMMISSION HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAVAGE?

>>MAYOR: QUESTIONS FOR MR. SAVAGE?

NO, THANK YOU. >> WITH MISTEARLEY ALREADY CAN

WE MAKE CLOSING STATEMENTS. >> AT THE VERY END, FEW MINUTES ARE RESERVED FOR EACH SIDE. I BELIEVE MAYBE FIVE MINUTES.

SO YOU WOULD YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.

BUT I DO THINK WE SHOULD ASK THE APPLICANT WHETHER OR NOT HE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF THE INTERVENORS' WITNESSES JUST TO

MAKE SURE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD POINT.

GOOD POINT. >> A VERY GOOD POINT.

NOTHING FURTHER IN MY PRESENTATION, BUT CERTAINLY WILLING TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OF EITHER THE COMMISSION, THE

APPLICANT OR STAFF MAY HAVE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SITTING AT THE TABLE. SO, FIRST OF ALL, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? YES. I MEAN OF THE INTERVENOR.

THIS IS FOR THE INTERVENOR. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR -- FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR WITNESSES.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. WHICH PART OF THE PRELIMINARY OUTLINE, THE ORDINANCE ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE APPLICANT DID

NOT SUBMIT? >> LET ME PULL UP THE ORDINANCE

SO I CAN GET IT RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT'S FINE. THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE.

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>> I AM LOOKING AT ORDINANCE NUMBER 22-040, WHICH WAS ADOPTED BY THIS COMMISSION IN JANUARY OF 2023.

AND IT AMENDS SECTION 121-10, WHICH ARE ARE THE PLATS}

>> HE. >> I OCCASION AND SUBSECTIONS A IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT SPECIFICATIONS AND USED TO BE 12 THINGS. YOU GUYS HAVE STREAMLINED THE PROCESS AND NOT AS MUCH. SOME REQUIREMENTS, SECTION 3 OUTLINES SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.

IF THEY MEET THEM, THEY CHECK THE BOXES AND YOU GUYS CAN GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT. SUBSECTIONS D, IT REQUIRES A SCALE, WHICH EXIST. I CAN TESTIFY TO THAT AND CERTAINLY THE APPLICANT CAN. I WAS ABLE TO LOCATE THE NORTH AIR ROW THAT IS ON THERE. BUT THERE IS NO, SIR DATE THAT THE PLAN WAS DRAWN AND A REQUIREMENT IN THE CODE AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS MET GA INDONESIA GAINESVILLE THE DATE.

>> THANK YOU, GOOD QUESTIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE INTERVENOR. OKAY.

SO NOW, MR. MURPHY, THE APPLICANT, YOU CAN CROSS EXAMINATION AND ASK FOR ANY OF THE WITNESS THAT WERE -- AND YOU

HAVE FIVE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP ME WITH NAMES OF PEOPLE.

>> OF COURSE. >> THE YOUNG LADY UP HERE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU REAL QUICKLY.

DO YOU NEED TO SIT OVER HERE? >> BASH CAMPANILE, VICE PRESIDENT OF HIGH POINT SECTION 1.

I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> ONE REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU, MA'AM. KEEPING IN MIND WE ARE TALKING OF THE PLAT, HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT ANYTHING THAT YOU DESCRIBED BE, ANYTHING THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF DRAINAGE, WAS ANY OF THAT RELEVANT OR RELATED TO PRELIMINARY PLAT GRAPHICS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY AND ARE

BEING REVIEWED? >> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PLAT AND THE LAND AS IT NOW EXIST IS THAT ONE ACTS AS A SPONGE TO HOLD THE WATER. AND ONE ALSO HAS -- IN THAT PLOT HAS AS LAKE. DURING OF THE DAY, DEPENDING ON CLOUD COVER, WE GET A CERTAIN RATE OF EVAPORATING WHICH I NOTE EVERY DAY AT HIGH POINT. IN THE EVENING AFTER THE SUN HAS GONE DOWN, AND THE EVAPORATION FACTOR IS NO LONGER IN PLACE.

NOW WE GET A RISE IN THE LAKE LEVEL, SOMETIMES THREE, FOUR, FIVE INCHES. SO WHEN YOU LOSE BOTH THE SURFACE AREA FOR THE WATER TO EVAPORATE AND YOU LOSE THE AREA THAT IS ACTING AS A SPONGE, THE RISE IN THE LAKE LEVEL WILL BE

CONSIDERABLY FASTER. >> SO YOUR CONCERN AND QUESTIONS ARE RELATED TO FUNCTIONAL ENGINEERING ISSUES AS OPPOSED TO SIMPLE PARCEL DIVISIONS OF PROPERTY?

>> MY QUESTION IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO -- IS RELATED TO MY RESPONSIBILITY TO RUN THE FLOOD PUMP AT SECTION 1 AND KEEP

THE PLACE FROM FLOODING. >> THANK YOU.

THAT IS ALL I NEED FOR RIGHT NOW.

THEN MR. SAVAGE, REAL QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU.

OK OKAY.

>> MR. SAVAGE, AGAIN, REAL QUICK QUESTION.

THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTARY OF THE DRAINAGE, WOULD HE BE PERCEIVED AS AROUND ENGINEERING RELATED OR THE PARCEL DIVISION OR THE DIVISION OF PROPERTY INTO DIFFERENT LOTS.

HOW WILL YOU -- PERHAPS I AM NOT ARTICULATING IT WELL.

THE ITEMS YOU SPOKE TO OR ADDRESSED AND TO BE MORE FOCUSED INTO DRAINAGE-RELATED MATTERS AND NOT SIMPLE PROPERTY LINE DIVISION MATTERS WHICH IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS PARTICULAR HEARING. THE HEARING WE ARE HERE TONIGHT FOR FOR DIVIDING THE PROPERTY UP INTO SEPARATE PARCELS ON A PRELIMINARY BASIS. SO MY QUESTION DO YOU THEN IS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE PLAT ITSELF WILL CAUSE ADDITIONAL

DRAINAGE PROBLEMS? >> I AM SAYING THAT THE CURRENT AREA THAT YOU -- THAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING IN THE PAST HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR US WHENEVER WE HAVE FLOODING.

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AND LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE TWO AREAS.

ONE ON THE EAST. ONE ON THE WEST WHERE WE GET FROM YOUR EXISTING PROPERTY. AND LIKE I SAID, IN -- IN A FLOODED AREA. WE DON'T JUST GET RAIN AND IT GOES AWAY. THAT IS FINE.

WHEN WE HAVE FLOODING AND WHICH THEY CALL IT MAYBE A 100-YEAR FLOOD, IT WILL LAST FOR SOMETIMES OVER A WEEK WATER COMING IN FROM THAT PROPERTY. SO THE MAIN CONCERN IS WHENEVER YOU DEVELOP, THAT YOU -- THAT YOU ISOLATE YOUR LAND SO THAT WE DON'T GET YOUR DRAINAGE COMING INTO OUR PROPERTY.

THAT IS THE THING. >> AS IT RELATES TO CONSTRUCTION MORE THAN THAT. ALSO ON THE WILDLIFE ISSUES --

>> AGAIN, WE HAVE -- I UNDERSTAND IT IS NATURAL.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM WHEN

DEVELOPMENT STARTS OVER THERE. >> DO YOU KNOW -- DO YOU HAVE CONDITIONS WHERE WATER FROM YOUR PROPERTY DISCHARGES ON CONTINUE

TO OUR PROPERTY? >> NO.

>> WATER FROM YOUR PROPERTY DOES NOT DISCHARGE ON TO OUR

PROPERTY? >> NO, IT DOES NOT.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> OKAY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY MORE AT ALL? OKAY.

INTERVENOR NUMBER TWO. DOES INTERVENOR NUMBER TWO HAVE QUESTIONS FOR INTERVENOR NUMBER ONE.

NO? THANK YOU.

[LAUGHTER] OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TIME FOR INTERVENOR NUMBER TWO.

AND YOU WERE -- YOU COULD PRESENT WHATEVER YOU NEED TO PRESENT AS LONG AS YOU DON'T TAKE LONGER THAN 20 MINUTES.

>> I AM GOING TO SAVE YOU SOME TIME.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO CALL ANY WITNESSES, DAVID EARL REPRESENTING GATOR TRACE MASTER PROPERTY ASSOCIATION.

>>> WE WILL RESERVE FOR FINAL ARGUMENT AND CAN YOU TO TAKE QUASI-JUDICIAL NOTICE OF ALL THE DRAINAGE ISSUES WE ARE CONCERNED

WITH. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

BEFORE YOU LEAVE, I WILL HAVE TO ASK STAFF.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF INTERVENOR TWO? AND APPLICANT, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF INTERVENOR TWO? HOW ABOUT INTERVENOR ONE? DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF

INTERVENOR TWO? >> NO, WE DO NOT.

THANK YOU. [LAUGHTER]

>> MADAM THEIR. I SAID FIVE MINUTES FOR CLOSING REMARKS. IT IS ACTUALLY THREE.

I JEST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THAT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, THREE MINUTES.

I WAS GETTING TO MY -- OKAY. LET ME SEE WHERE WE ARE HERE.

OKAY. I THINK THAT -- I THINK THAT WE ARE AT THE FINAL CLOSING REMARKS.

>> PUBLIC COMMENT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS SUBJECT? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN, MISS COX WILL SWEAR YOU IN NOW.

ANYONE ELSE LIKE DO? OKAY.

I AM GOING TO CLOSE THAT PART OF THE -- THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. SO -- WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT OF FINALIZING THIS AND WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IS ASK THE APPLICANT TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS IN THREE MINU

MINUTES. >> COMMISSIONERS, FOR THE RECORD AGAIN, DENNIS MURPHY, CULPEPPER & TERPENING HERE IN FORT PIERCE.

VERY BRIEFLY. FOCUSING IN ON THE PRIMARY QUESTION IN LAND HAND, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

DOES THE SUBMISSION SATISFY THE REQUIREMENT OF THIS -- CHAPTER 121 OF YOUR CODE. THE ONE COMMENT I WILL FOLLOW UP ON -- WE BELIEVE THAT THE GRAPHICS DO COMPLY WITH THE STANDARDS AND CRITERIA. ONE THING I WOULD ARGUE ABOUT THE DATE, YES, NO DATE ON THE PRINTED VERSION OF THE MAP, THE PRELIMINARY MAP, THAT IS TRUE. I WON'T DISPUTE THAT ONE.

BUT THE FINAL PLAT, WHEN IT IS ALL SAID AND DONE DOES HAVE THE DATES EXECUTED ON THEM BECAUSE THE SURVEYOR IS REQUIRED TO FILL IN THE BLANKS. YOU KNOW THE PLATS -- THERE ARE NO DATES ANYTHING IN THERE. THEY GET FILLED IN LATER ON.

I WOULD HOPE THAT WILL NOT BE THE SOLE REASON THAT YOU FIND THAT THIS MATTER CAN'T BE FORWARDED OUT OF HERE TO ADD THE DATE ON THE LIMIT PLAT. THE PLAT DIDN'T GET RECORDED.

IT IS JUST AN ACTION TO SHOW PROGRESS DURING THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW THAT WE ARE WORK WITH. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND CONCERNS ABOUT DRAINAGE. WE ARE KEENLY AWARE OF DRAINAGE FROM TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION AND FROM THE PRIOR ACTIONS AND PRIOR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

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WE WILL AS PART OF A FINAL HAVE TO PRESENT TO YOU ALL OF THE ISSUE PERMITS FROM SOUTH FLORIDA.

FROM THE COUNTY. FROM D.O.T., FROM XYZ, NAME YOUR ALPHABET, WE WILL GET YOU THE PER PIT MITT.

PART OF THE APPLICANT BEFORE YOU -- YOU, BEING THE CITY, ISSUES YOUR PERMIT. THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE MATTER FOR TONIGHT. IT IS TO RECOGNIZE A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE SAVANNAH LAKES COMMUNITY THAT HAS GOT MANY MORE STOPS COME BACK BEFORE YOU. AND I WILL RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, APPLY WHAT YOU SEE TO THAT. AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT STOP IN THIS PROCESS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

WE WILL GO FROM THERE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PARTY INTERVENOR NUMBER TWO.

DO YOU HAVE FINAL COMMENTS? >> NUMBER TWO OR NUMBER ONE?

>> NUMBER ONE. >> NUMBER TWO CAN GO FIRST.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I JUMPED THE GUN.

>> JOHN CARRIGAN. ON BEHALF OF INTERVENOR NUMBER 1, HIGH POINT EVER FORT PIERCE. THE RECORD IS CLEAR, THEY DID NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY CODE, STREAMLINE PROCESS.

JULY OF 2022, WE HAD THE SAME ISSUE, DIFFERENT ORDINANCE.

DIDN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. YOU ALL C CORRECTLY, IN MY OPINION, TOLD THEM IT WAS EITHER GOING TO BE DENIED OR FILE THE APPLICATION FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED AS WE SIT HERE TODAY.

A STREAMLINE PROCESS. SPECIFIES EXACTLY WHAT IS IN THERE. IT HAS NOT BEEN MELT AND ON RECORD BY ADMISSION OF THE APPLICANT.

I SEE NOTHING THIS COMMISSION CAN DO.

YOU DID NOT PUT YOURSELF IN THIS POSITION.

THE APPLICANT PUT NEW A MOTION PETITION TO DENY BECAUSE IT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENT OF THE CODES.

AS FOR THE DRAINAGE, THE HOGS, OTHER ISSUES YOU HEARD.

I OUTLINED THAT FOR YOU TO PUT THE WITNESSES BEFORE YOU THAT YOU KNOW THE CONCERNS IF THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT IS DENIED IF THIS EVER COMES BACK FOR FINAL PLAT APPROVAL AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THOSE ARE CONCERNS THAT MY CLIENT INTENDS TO RAISE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. MY HOPE THAT THE APPLICANT, MUCH LIKE THEY PROMISED JULY 18 OF, 2022.

SIT DOWN WITH MY COMPLIANT. BRING THE DRAINAGE PLANS.

THE PLAT PLANS. SITE SYSTEM AND WORK OUT THESE ISSUES SO I CAN GO BEFORE YOU AND TELL YOU FOR MY CLIENT HIGH POINT OF THE FORT PIERCE, WE DO NOT OBJECT.

AT THIS POINT WE COULD BECAUSE HAS NOT MET THE CODE AND NOT APPROPRIATE IN THE MANNER THAT IS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU.

THANK YOU VERY 67. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

INTERVENOR NUMBER TWO, PLEASE. >> DAVID EARL ROSS REPRESENTING GATOR TRACE MASTER PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION.

EVEN WHEN YOU SIMPLIFY SOME THINGS, THINGS GET A LITTLE EEKY. WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON BEHALF OF MY CLIENT IS THE PRELIMINARY.

EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND DO THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS. I GET CONCERNED BECAUSE I HEARD STAFF, PARTICULARLY MR. FREEMAN SAYS IT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT TO DO. I THINK YOU CAN SEE FROM ALL THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TONIGHT SIGNIFICANT CURBS.

YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT. YOU BOARD MEMBERS ARE FAMILIAR TO ME BECAUSE I WAS HERE A YEAR AGO AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT. PARTICULARLY FOR GATOR TRACE.

THE BERM IS ON ST. LUCIE PROPERTY.

THEY ARE NOT COMPLETE. SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT IS NOT COMPLETE. THE SITE PLAN, MUCH MORE THAN THE PLAT THAT DRIVES THIS, NEEDS TO BE AMENDED.

I URGE YOU STRONGLY -- I HAVE MY LAWYER HAT ON.

YOU GOT THE CONTROL. YOU ARE THE DECISION-MAKERS THAT PROTECT THE PUBLIC. ADD A CONDITION IF YOU ARE GOING TO APPROVE THIS. THEY NEED COME BACK WITH AN UPDATED SITE PLAN FOR YOU. THEY NEED TO BRING ALL THOSE PERMITS TO YOU. MAKE THAT THE CONDITION.

NOT THE CONDITION THAT IT MEETS ENGINEERING APPROVAL.

WHICH IS VERY VAGUE. BE SPECIFIC.

NEW SITE PLAN. THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE OFF THIS AUTHORITY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

NOW STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS?

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ALL RIGHTY. AND SO IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE TO CLOSE THIS OUT.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS -- THIS IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT REVIEW. AND WHETHER WE LIKE THE PROCESS OR NOT OR WHETHER WE ACTUALLY FOLLOWED IT TO THE MICROSCOPIC INTENT OF ANYTHING TO THAT REGARD, THEN I APOLOGIZE.

I STILL QUESTION WHY WE ARE HERE.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ 121, I DON'T EVEN NEED TO BE HERE.

I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS I WAS GIVEN AND THE CONCERNS OF OUR NEIGHBORS. WE WILL ADDRESS THEIR DRAINAGE CONCERNS. I PROMISED THAT A YEAR AGO.

I PROMISED THAT SIX MONTHS AGO. I PROMISE THAT AGAIN TONIGHT.

BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS, WHY AM I HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU -- SINCE I'M HERE THAT YOU WILL FORWARD THIS -- NOT FORWARD, DUE YOU APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR THE SITE WITH ANY REASONABLE CONDITIONS INCLUDING THE ASSERTION OF A DATE IF I NEED TO GO PLUG THAT BACK IN THERE. THAT IS NOT HARD.

NO OTHER DEFICIENCIES IN THE PLAT AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT. NO OTHER DEFICIENCIES OTHER THAN MISSING A PRINT DATE HAND THIS IS FOR ME TO SHUT UP.

QUESTIONS IS CLOSED AND WE WILL NOW PROCEED WITH THE COMMENTS AND THE DELIBERATIONS BY THE COMMISSION FOLLOWED BY A VOTE GENTLEMEN, IT IS BACK TO US. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MISS EARLEY.

THE INTERVENOR NUMBER TWO BROUGHT UP THE LIQUOR LINKAGE THAT THE SECONDARY OR FINAL PLAT REVIEW INCLUDE AN UPDATED SITE PLAN. IS THAT -- IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO? OR IS THAT OUTSIDE OF OUR

BOUNDARIES OF. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I THINK THE ANSWER IS -- IS OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU ARE HERE TO DECIDE UPON TODAY.

THAT IS THE SIMPLEST WAY I CAN ANSWER IT.

>> THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: QUESTION. PRELIMINARY PLAT IS BEFORE US TONIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT POINT.

MY UNDERSTANDING -- AND MAYBE THIS IS ALSO FROM STAFF -- IS THAT BEFORE ANY FINAL APPROVAL BY THIS BODY, IS THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK WITH FINAL PLAT SITE PLAN TO MEET THAT FINAL PLAT WITH ANY OTHER STAMPS OF APPROVAL FROM THE ALPHABET.

IS THAT THE PROCESS IF THIS WAS TO PASS PRELIMINARY TONIGHT?

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, WHY YES, IT WOULD COME BACK IN THE FORM OF A FINAL PLAT REVIEW.

AND AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN IS CONCERNED, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, HIGHLY LIKELY YOU WILL SEE AN AMENDED SITE PLAN BECAUSE AT THE TIME YOU SAW THE SITE PLAN LAST YEAR, IT WAS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE AND STILL PENDING A LOT OF INPUT FROM OUTSIDE OUTSIDE JURISDICTIONS. NOT EVERYTHING THAT THE CITY HAS ANY CONTROL OVER. SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT BEING AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THOSE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. MY UNDERSTANDING AND I AM NO ENGINEER. HOW I AM LOOKING AT THIS, THIS IS ONE PART. IT FEELS AS THOUGH FINAL PLAT WILL COME BACK ALONG WITH -- IF WE PUT CONDITIONS TO BRING BACK THAT OTHER SITE PLAN TO MATCH THAT.

THAT IS THE PATH THAT I WANT TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND.

I HAVE AN ENGINEER UP HERE. I HAVE A CONSTRUCTION GUY UP HERE. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHERE I AM KIND OF LEANING RIGHT NOW TO GET A FULL SCOPE OF THIS TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I HAVE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE WE REPRESENT IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THEIR CONCERNS.

THAT LEVEL OF DETAILING ASK WILL HELP US UNDERSTAND THAT POINT, THE CONCERNS THEY RAISED ABOUT FLOODING, PROPERTY LINES, WHO BELONGS WHERE, WHO IS TAKING CARE OF WHAT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WHERE I AM LEANING AND I NEED HELP FROM THE

ENGINEERS AND FEEDBACK. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I DON'T THINK THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN DEFINITIVELY ANSWERED YET.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WHAT QUESTION?

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: HIS EARLEY SAID IN ALL PROBABILITY, THE SITE PLAN WITH THE FINAL SITE REVIEW.

THAT IS NOT A GUARANTEE THAT THAT SITE PLAN IS COMING IN.

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THAT IS MY CONCERN. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: IT CAN BE IF WE PUT A CONDITION ON IT.

FROM WHAT I AM SAYING. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MISS EARLEY IS SAYING THAT WE CANNOT DO THAT.

>> MADAM MAYOR, OUR FOCUS TODAY IS VERY NARROW.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO PUT CONDITIONS THAT WILL BE RELEVANT TO A FUTURE APPLICATION ON THE APPLICANT TODAY. THERE ARE MANY CONSIDERATIONS THAT ARE STILL OUTSTANDING WITH REGARD TO THIS MATTER, BUT THOSE ARE BATTLES TO BE FOUGHT ON ANOTHER DAY.

WE ARE AT A VERY PRELIMINARY STAGE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GO THE IT.

>> WE NEED TO KEEP IT AT THAT POINT.

I WILL BLOW YOUR MIND REALLY AND ADD ONE THING THAT EVEN IF YOU SAY NO TODAY, THAT IS NOT THE END OF IT, BECAUSE THE APPLICANT STILL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR A FINAL PLAT REVIEW. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT -- NOW IS A GREAT TIME FOR THE COMMISSION TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AS A BOARD AND PERHAPS ACKNOWLEDGE CONCERNS, BUT, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO WHAT IS YOUR TASK TODAY AND

STICKING TO THAT TASK. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IF.WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE THAT THE APPLICANT DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TONIGHT FOR A PRELIMINARY.

HE COULD HAVE CAME TO US WITH -- WITH A FINAL PLAN.

THAT IS WHAT THE NEW -- THAT IS WHAT WE VOTED ON.

SO WE ARE HERE -- WE ARE HERE AND KEEP TALKING OF SITE PLANS.

I AM NOT THE ENGINEER. I GIVE THAT TO YOU.

BUT TO ME AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, AND JEREMIAH, A QUESTION TO YOU AND YOU CAN HELP ME OUT WITH THIS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MAYBE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MAYBE. OR PLANNING OR SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE, SOMEBODY -- I DON'T KNOW.

IF WE DON'T GET APPROVAL FROM ST. LUCIE.

YOU DON'T GET APPROVAL FROM SOUTH FLORIDA.

SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

IF YOU DON'T GET APPROVAL FROM WHATEVER THE WATER DISTRICT OR WHATEVER IS OUT THERE. IF YOU DON'T GET APPROVAL, YOU DON'T HAVE A FINAL SITE PLAN. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS WHAT THE PLANNING DIRECTOR INDICATES.

>> I AM NOT AN ENGINEER. ALL SIGNED OFF, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A FINAL SITE PLAN BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE SIGNATURE FROM THE PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I TOOK COMFORT WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY TO GO DOWN THAT PATH.

AND THE LINE OF QUESTIONING WAS DEAD ON TARGET.

I TOOK DOCUMENT THAT THAT DOCUMENT YOU SUGGESTED WE NEED AND ASKED 20 TIMES TONIGHT, THAT WILL BE PART AND PARCEL OF THAT PACKAGE WHEN IT COMES IN. I GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTIN WHICH WAS EXACTLY TARGET TARGETED TO THAT AND I STILL DON'T THINK WE

HAVE AN ANSWER. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THIS IS PLY UNDERSTANDING. AND JUST ME.

I DON'T PRETEND TO BE AN ENGINEER.

I DON'T WANT TO BE AN ENGINEER, YOU NKNOW SOMETIMES I WANT TO B AN ATTORNEY BUT STUCK WITH IT. THAT IS WHAT I AM.

IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING SITTING HERE, LEARNING FROM COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON IN HIS ENGINEERING ROLE.

WE WILL NOT SEE A FINAL SITE PLAN OR BE ASKED TO VOTE ON A FINAL SITE PLAN WITHOUT SIGNATURES FROM OUTSIDE PARTIES HAVE APPROVED, SUCH AS ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

SUCH AS SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AND EVERYBODY ELSE WHO HAVE SOME TYPE OF DEALING, SOME TIME OF DEALING WITH THIS PROJECT. UNTIL THEY GET THOSE SIGNATURES, MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE CAN NOT BE A FINAL SITE PLAN.

NOW IF I AM WRONG ON THAT, NEED CLARIFICATION.

BUT THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I AGREE 100% FOR YOU. THAT ANALYSIS IS DEAD ON TARGET.

WHAT HE SAID. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: NOW TO THE PUBLIC AND EVERYBODY THAT TESTIFIED TONIGHT, NO ONE WANTS WATER FROM ANOTHER PROJECT ON THEIR PROJECT.

I GET IT. YOU ARE NOT THE FIRST NEIGHBORS TO COME IN AND TELL US THAT WE DON'T WANT THEIR WATER ON OUR PROJECT. I GET IT.

THE HOGS. I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE HOGS.

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE IN FORT PIERCE. YOU RIDE AROUND AND YOU SEE THEM IN FORT PIERCE. HOWEVER, YOU CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU THOUGHT OF CONSTRUCTION.

RUNM THE CONSTRUCTION. AND SOMETHING THAT I THINK YOU

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AND AN APPLICANT CAN COME AND TALK TO US ABOUT.

I AM NOT TRYING TO SET MYSELF UP TO TALK ABOUT WE OUGHT TO TRACK HOGS, CHICKEN, TURKEY. I AM JUST NOT GOING TO DO.

I AM SORRY. BUT TONIGHT, A PRELIMINARY.

AND I DID PUT ON MY ATTORNEY HAT, MADAM ATTORNEY AND I ASKED THE EXACT QUESTION. YOU KNEW WHERE I WAS GOING.

AND ALL I HEARD TONIGHT WAS A DATE STAMP.

AND ALL I COULD THINK ABOUT ME FILING SOMETHING AND I FORGOT ONE STAMP ON THE DOCUMENT AND KICKED THAT DOCUMENT OUT.

I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH IT.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, COMMISSION, IF THE APPLICANT COMES BACK -- IF WE DENY THIS AND THE APPLICANT COMES BACK WITH A STAMPED ON THIS -- ON THIS -- WHAT WAS IT, PRELIMINARY, A STAMP ON THE PRELIMINARY WHICH I AM STILL CONFUSED IF HE NEED IT OR NOT. I KNOW WHAT THE STATUTE SAID IF HE NEED IT OR NOT, BECAUSE I HAVE A PLANNING BOARD AND A PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT RECOMMENDEDED THIS TO GO FORWARD. YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING.

NOW MADAM ATTORNEY, CAN I SAY MOVE FORWARD AND GIVE HIM SO MANY DAYS TO PUT A DATE STAMP ON THE PAPER AND WE CAN COME BACK AND SEE -- OKAY, THEN WE CAN BACK INTO THE REAL CRUX OF THE MATTER AS TO HOW WE ARE GOING TO KEEP THIS DEVELOPMENT'S WATER OFF OF HIGH POINT AND GOING TO GATOR TRACE.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE ABOUT. I TONIGHT WANT TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME, BECAUSE UNTIL WE GET TO ALLOW THEM TO GET TO SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT. GET TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW. NO ONE IN HERE KNOWS.

MAYBE THE APPLICANT KNOW WHAT IS THIS BERM -- BERM, WHATEVER IT IS CALLED LIKE YOU SAID COMMISSIONER BROAD ARE -- BRODERICK. BUT I WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE AND NOT COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, THIS BERM IS NOT GOING -- THIS BERM IS NOT GOING TO STOP, PUMP -- I FORGOT WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE PUMP FROM PUMPING OUT THE WATER.

THEN I CAN LISTEN TO ALL OF THAT.

YOU SEE WHAT I AM SAYING OR THE SPONGES AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WAS SAID TONIGHT. I WANT TO DEAL WITH IN THEIR ARE YOU AS THE ATTORNEY SITTING HERE TRYING TO KEEP MY HAT ON, THAT IS NOT THE HEARING WE ARE HERE FOR.

WE ARE HERE FOR SOMETHING ELSE. THAT IS IT WHY I AM TORN OVER HERE AND GO BACK TO MY COLLEAGUE -- NOT MY ATTORNEY, BUT MY ATTORNEY -- HE KNEW WHERE I WAS GOING -- HE KNEW EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS EXACT POINT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE -- THE ONLY THING WE HEARD THAT WAS WRONG WITH THIS PRELIMINARY TONIGHT WAS A DATE STAMP. I HEARD THE CONCERNS AND GOT THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS. BY UNDERSTAND CONCERNS, BECAUSE THE DEVELOP WAS COMING NEXT TO ME.

AND I WOULD BE WITH WORRIED ABOUT WATER TOO.

SO I UNDERSTAND IT. I CAN'T SAY WHAT I WILL SAY ABOUT THE H, TOGS BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC AND I MIGHT GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE, SO SILL LEAVE THAT ALONE.

SO, GUYS, ARE WE GOING TO -- WE CREATEDED THAT.

THAT IS THE LAST PROBLEM I AM GOING TO SAY.

WE CREATED THIS IN JANUARY WITH THE STREAMLINE.

NOW I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE APPLICANT SAID, WHY HE IS EVEN HERE. I WON'T GET INTO IT BECAUSE -- I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT IS APPROPRIATE IN AN OPEN QUORUM BUT SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK BACK REAL SERIOUS AND FIX THAT PROBLEM.

SO WITH THAT, MADAM MAYOR, I WILL SIT BACK AND BE DONE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS, DID YOU WANT TO CHIME IN HERE.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: YES, MA'AM, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE THIS. LAST TIME WHEN WE WERE ALL HERE, I SAID THE EXACT SAME THING. TODAY AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE SITE PLAN, WHEN YOU TALK OF STORMWATER DRAINAGE.

YOU TALK OF TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION AND CALCULATIONS.

THAT IS NOT PART OF THE SITE PLAN.

THAT IS NOT PART OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.

THAT IS PART OF THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW.

THOSE ANSWERS WILL NOT BE PROVIDED DURING SITE PLAN.

AT THE TIME COUNTY BUILDING PERMIT, THOSE PLANS GO OUR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER WHO IS OUR CITY ENGINEER.

HIS STAFF REVIEWS THOSE PLANS AND THOSE PLANS ARE APPROVED AND REJECTED BASED ON THEIR DESIGN CRITERIA THAT HAVE TO MEET THE SPECIFICATIONS OF NOT ONLY THE CITY BUT ALL OTHER LOCAL, REGIONAL AND STATE REGULATORY AGENCIES.

SO, AGAIN, YOU ARE ONLY TALKING OF TODAY SUBDIVIDING THIS LAND INTO THE LITTLE LINES AND THAN IS A PRELIMINARY PLAT.

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THAT'S IT. THE SITE PLAN WILL NOT PROVIDE THAT SPECIFICITY AND THE TECHNICAL DESIGN THAT YOU ARE AFTER. OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I BELIEVE IT WOULD IN THE PERSPECTIVE IF YOU WERE BUILDING A TEN-FOOT-HIGH BERM, IT WILL BE REFLECTED ON THE SITE PLAN. I HAVE SEEN IT ON-SITE PLANS MANY, MANY TIMES WHERE THEY BUILD IT FOR SOUND REQUIREMENTS FOR DIVIDING INDUSTRIAL FROM RESIDENTIAL, ETC.

THE BERM WILL BE OUTLINED SPECIFICALLY ON THE SITE PLAN.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: IT WILL BE OUTLINED BUT MAY NOT BE THE

FINAL DESIGN, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I ALSO BELIEVE -- IF I AM REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, THE SITE PLAN WAS WITHDRAWN INITIALLY BECAUSE IT WAS LACKING DETAIL.

AND THEY HAD TO COME BACK WITH ADDITIONAL DETAIL AND WHY MR. FREEMAN WAS INDICATED THAT FOR SURE THIS WAS COMING BACK TO THE BODY BECAUSE HE IS AWARE THAT THE SITE PLAN REFLECTS NONE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING ADDRESSED.

THAT IS WHY IT IS COMING BACK AND POSSIBLE TO ASK HIM THAT AND CLOSED. BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS WHY THAT IS TAKING PLACE. HE KNOWS A PACKAGE OF INFORMATION THAT WILL BE REFLECTED ON THAT REVISED SITE

PLAN WILL BE MY GUESS. >> MADAM MAYOR, I HEARD TWO THINGS. MADAM MAYOR, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN

TRYING TO SPEAK. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS ALL

RIGHT. >> TO THREAD THE NEEDLE OF WHAT COMMISSIONER BRODERICK AND MR. MIMMS SAID, AT THE END OF THE DAY, I THINK EVEN WHAT -- I THINK WHAT MR. MIMMS IS SAYING IS,U A, THE SITE PLAN YOU SAW BEFORE WAS CONCEPTUAL IN NATURE.

I THINK HE WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

HE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD YES. EVEN THINGS THAT ARE NOT HANDLED BY THE SITE PLAN, THEY WILL HAVE TO BE HANDLED BY THE PERMITTING PHASE. NO PERMIT.

NO BUILDING. NO CONSTRUCTION.

AGAIN, HE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD YES.

SO I PRESUME I THREADED THAT NEDLE CORRECTLY.

TAKING THAT ISSUE AND SETTING IT ASIDE AND CIRCLING BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER'S TASK TODAY. COMMISSIONER GAINES -- I THINK A QUESTION IN WHAT YOU SAID WHICH WAS THE DATE.

AND I SUPPOSE A POSSIBILITY MIGHT BE TO ALLOW FOR A CONDITION TO BE ADDED THAT THE APPLICANT MUST CORRECT THAT DEFICIENCY WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME.

AS FAR AS THE DATE IS CONCERNED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GO AHEAD.

I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING BUT YOU GO AHEAD.

>> I AM GOOD. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT I AM HEARING AND WHAT I AM HEARING WE OUGHT TO BE MINDFUL OF, WE HAVE RESIDENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WHO HAVE VERY HAVE VERY STRONG CONCERNS. AND I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THOSE CONCERNS AND I WANT TO PREVENT ANY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND I THINK THAT THE -- AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE, ANYTHING WE DO DOESN'T DO THAT, DOESN'T PREVENT THAT, I DON'T THINK, EITHER APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL HOWEVER, I WANT TO -- TO THE EXTENT THAT I AM CAPABLE OF UNDERSTAND WHAT NEEDS TO BE REQUIRED, WHICH IS SOUTH FLORIDA MANAGEMENT -- OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

THE WHOLE -- THERE IS A WHOLE ARRAY OF PROTECTIONS THAT NEED -- THAT HAVE TO BE SATISFIED BEFORE ONE -- ONE BUILDING CAN BE BUILT. AND WE ARE -- AND WE ARE -- OUR POLICY IS, NO DEVELOPMENT HAS ADVERSE EFFECTS ON THE NEIGHBORS. THAT IS OUR POLICY.

THAT IS OUR -- THAT IS OUR STRONG, STRONG POLICY.

AND I THINK THAT THE -- THE PUMP AND THE WATER AND THE FLOODING IN HIGH POINT NEEDS TO BE SERIOUSLY LOOKED AT AND ADDRESSED BY THE -- BY THE APPLICANT AND BY THE ENGINEERING OF SOUTH FLORIDA -- BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

WE ALL HEARD IT HERE. AND WE ALSO HAVE GOT TO -- I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE DO ABOUT THE HOGS BUT LEAVE IT TO COMMISSIONER GAINES, I CAN.

[LAUGHTER] AT LEAST IT IS NOT PEACOCKS, RIGHT. SO -- I -- I AM TAKING IT VERY SERIOUSLY, THE ADVERSE -- THE POTENTIAL ADVERSE EFFECTS ON BOTH SIDES, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT -- WE KNOW PEOPLE IN THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. WE KNOW WHAT YOUR CONCERNS ARE.

WE HAVE BEEN TO THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE -- THAT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING ADVERSE TO

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HAPPEN TO WHAT IS ALREADY THERE AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE IN FAVOR OF SOMETHING NEW AT THE EXPENSE OF SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY THERE. SO THAT IS NOT AN ENGINEER'S POINT OF VIEW, A LAWYER'S POINT OF VIEW.

COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GLAD TO SPEAK AFTER YOU BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO SAY A FEW OF THOSE

THINGS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I TOOK YOUR

THUNDER, SORRY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NO, I AGREE. THAT IS THE EVALUATION AND WHY WE ARE HERE. WHY US AS RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE INCLUDING ALL OF US SITTING IN THE ROOM TRUST THE TECHNICAL INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE LOCATED IN CITY HALL, COUNTY COMMISSION, SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, AND OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITH US -- I WILL SAY IT, NERDY ENGINEERS.

WE GET IN A ROOM AND CALCULATIONS.

RIGHT, MR. MIMMS? HE IS ONE.

SO HE KNOWS. I HAVE A GOOD FRIEND IN THE AUDIENCE -- I THINK HE MOVED AROUND A COUPLE OF TIMES, IN THE BACK. THAT DO THE SAME THINGS.

THE PROTECTIONS ARE IN PLACE THE POINT IS IN MY CONVERSATION OR MY DIALOGUE RIGHT NOW WE ARE REMEMBER TRULY LOOKING AT -- I WENT THROUGH THE APPLICATION. I WENT THROUGH CHAPTER 121 I THINK IT IS. GOING BACK TO THAT AND SAYING WHAT IS OUR PROCESS. HOW DO WE LOOK AT IT? WHAT DO WE DO? COMMISSIONER GAINES, TO GO BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT A WHEN MR. MURPHY CAME TO SPEAK TO US. I LOOKED AT THE APPLICATION AND HE CHECKED THE BOX.

I SAW THE BOX CHECKED PRELIMINARY PLAT.

THIS IS MY APPLICATION. THIS IS MY THING.

NO DISRESPECT, MR. MURPHY, I AM GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WHAT WAS THERE. YOU KNOW HOW IT WORKS JUST LIKE WE DO. SO THERE WAS A BOX CHECKED.

AND NOW DIALOGUE RELATING TO THE PLAT.

AND I THINK IN THE -- IN CHAPTER 21, IS ALSO TALKS ABOUT MINOR MODIFICATION TO THE PRELIMINARY, THAT THE PLANNING DIRECTOR HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENTS BEFORE IT COMES BACK US TO SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS IN THIS NEVER-ENDING CYCLE OF SMALL CHANGES.

GOES BACK TO THE COMMISSION THAT MISS EARLEY TOLD US ABOUT AT SOME POINT FOR A FINAL PLAT IF IT INCLUDES THE SITE PLAN OR NOT. MY QUESTION FOR MISS EARLEY.

LET ME BACK UP. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IF IT IS APPROVED OR DENIED IN THE FINAL PLAT IN THE PROCESS TO BE CONTINUED. MY QUESTION IS, IF IT IS DENIED, IS THERE A TIME TABLE WHICH MUST BE WAITED OUT BEFORE A FINAL PLAT CAN BE APPLIED FOR. SUCH A THING IN OUR CODE?

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, NO.

THEY CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SO -- HOW I DO EVEN SAY THIS PART.

THE PRELIMINARY PLAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY THE WORD IS DEFINED.

PRELIMINARY IN ITS REVIEW. FOR USES TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND FOR US TO MAKE COMMENTS. FOR US TO MAKE COMMENTS AND THEN IT MOVES THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT TRULY IS THAT SIMPLE OF A TASK EVEN THOUGH WE DO WANT TO VET AND BRING UP OUR CONCERNS WHICH WE HEARD TESTIMONY WITH TONIGHT.

AND I AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE SYSTEM.

AND IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE AND PLAY AS PART IN THIS.

I ALSO WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY MY MIND WORKS SOMETIMES IS AT THE SAME TIME WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT A DEVELOPMENT TO BUILD THE PROJECT, YOU SAY THE SAME QUESTIONS. WHEN I BUILD THIS OR ENGINEER THIS, I SURE HOPE THAT I DON'T HAVE THE SAME ISSUES WHEN I HAVE SOMEONE GOING OUT WHERE A PUMP TO TURN A PUMP ON EVERY SMALL RAIN STORM BECAUSE I DIDN'T DO A GOOD JOB OF DESIGNING IT OR BUILDING IT, RIGHT. OR INVESTING IT.

OR WHATEVER IT IS OR WHOEVER IS DOING THAT.

I AM THINKING OF THE RESIDENT WHO LIVES IN THAT PLATTED -- POTENTIALLY PLATTED DEVELOPMENT TEN YEARS FROM TODAY.

THE FACES IN THIS ROOM ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

AND THEY WILL BE WORRIED -- POTENTIAL SALLY W -- POTENTIALL WORRIED ABOUT THE SAME EXACT THINGS.

SWITCH THE HAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE RESIDENT LIVING ON THIS PROPERTY. YOU HOPE THAT THE SAME PARAMETERS ARE APPLIED,. THE TECHNICAL INSPECTIONS ARE APPLIED. MR. ANDREWS, OUR CITY ENGINEER

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DESCRIBING PRINCIPLES AND PRACTICES AS AN ENGINEER FOR THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WHERE WILL FAIR OF OUR RESIDENTS AND IN BETWEEN ARE PROTECTED, AND SO WHERE DOES THAT STAND? I GOT THE ANSWER ON THE APPLICANT CAN CONTINUE TOP MOVE FORWARD. AND WHETHER WE APPROVE OR DENY IT -- THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCESS.

SO THAT IS WHAT I HAVE. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. IF NO MORE DISCUSSION, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION BROD BROVD ONE FINAL COMMENT HAND THIS WILL MIRROR COMMISSIONER GAINES' COMMENT.

I CANDIDLY, I DON'T BELIEVE DENYING THE PLAT BECAUSE A DATE BOX WASN'T FILLED IN. I UNDERSTAND THE TECH TECHNICALITY. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GAINES THAT DENIAL OF THAT LOGIC ALONE SIMPLY IS NOT REALISTIC.

I THINK, COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU MENTIONED ADDING A CAVEAT WITH AT MOTION TO SUGGEST THEY HAD A PRESCRIBED TIMELINE TO COME IN AND CURE THAT TECHNICAL ISSUE.

AND YOU ALSO INDICATED. THAT WAS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE DIALOGUE IS THAT THE BULK ISSUES THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND THOROUGHLY ARE NOT PART OF THIS AGENDA TONIGHT.

BUT THEY ARE COMING. AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE CAN DIVE INTO THAT IN SIGNIFICANT DETAIL.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GAINES' PERSPECTIVE ON THIS.

I WANTED TO SHARE THE FACT THAT I I AGREE HE WITH YOUR ANALYSIS ON THE TECHNICAL MANNER. WHILE IT IS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, IT IS NOT RELATIVE TO THE DECISION MAKING, IN MY

OPINION. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. THANK YOU FOR THAT; HOWEVER, I AM -- THAT TECHNICAL -- BECAUSE I WAS TRAINED THAT WAY.

IN MY PROFESSION. SO -- THAT IS WHY I ASKED MADAM ATTORNEY, WOULD IT SHALL PROPER FOR A MOTION TO BE MADE APPROVAL UPON -- APPROVAL UPON, YOU KNOW, SO MANY DAYS OF A STATE STAMP.

OF A DATE STAMP TO THE PLANNING BOARD? THAT WAS THE QUESTION THAT I WAS ASKING.

IS A/* IS THAT APPROPRIATE?

>> I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THAT IS NOT DONE BECAUSE YOU GIVE A SPECIFIC AMOUNT OF TIME TO CURE THE ISSUE.

IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

HAND THIS WOULD NEED TO BE CLEARLY STATED IN THE MOTION

ALONG WITH ANY OTHER CONDITIONS. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YOU WILL

MAKE ME CLEARLY STATE IT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I SAID

THAT SO YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DO I HEAR A

MOTION, COMMISSIONER GAINES? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: LET ME

THINK. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I WILL MAKE A COMMENT. MAKE YOUR NOTES, COMMISSIONERS.

I AM ANXIOUSLY AWAITING YOUR MOTION.

I WAS GOING BACK THROUGH -- I HAD TO GO BACK WHEN WE STARTED THIS HOWEVER LONG AGO THIS WAS IN MY TWO PAGES OF SCRATCHING OVER HERE JUST OF TESTIMONY. ITEM NUMBER 4, PRELIMINARY PLAT REPRESENT THE ENTIRE AREA THAT CONTEMPLATE OF DEVELOPING INCLUDING UNIT DIVISIONS NOT SCHEDULED FOR IMMEDIATE DEVELOPMENT. SO WE DID HEAR TESTIMONY ON THAT ALSO THAT THERE WAS A PLAN FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, LIKE A PHASED REPORT AND TWO-PHASED APPROACH IS WHAT HI HEARD IN TESTIMONY. DID I GET THAT RIGHT IS THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MY UNDERSTANDING.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: EVERYONE HEARD THAT? I WROTE THAT DOWN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

WE HEARD AS DELINEATED AS PART OF THE PROCESS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL PLAT HAS TO DO FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.

I DON'T KNOW ANY CONTEMPLATION OF A FINAL PROCESS BUT JUST MAKING A OAKS OF SOMETHING THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I REMEMBER THAT TOO.

MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, LET ME TRY THIS.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT BE APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION ONLY WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT SUBMITS A DATE STAMPED -- WHAT WAS IT CALL?

>> PRELIMINARY PLAT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: PRELIMINARY PLAT. I AM TRYING TO GET THE WORD RIGHT FOR YOU, MADAM -- PRELIMINARY PLAT DATE STAMPED WITHIN 30 DAYS. ONCE THAT IS SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD APPROVAL -- I GUESS APPROVAL CAN GO FORWARD.

HOW -- >> I THINK IT IS --

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: HELP ME OUT.

>> MISS COX WILL PROBABLY JUMP IN.

>> ONCE YOU MAKE IT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

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ONCE THEY SATISFY THAT APPROVAL, WE ARE DONE.

>> IT COULD BE CLEANED UP TO SAY IF I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOUR MOTION IS -- A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR PRELIMINARY PLAT WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE FOR 30 DAYS WITHIN TODAY'S HEARING A PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT HAS A DATE

ON IT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: CORRECT.

>> ANOTHER CONDITION RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD.

YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THAT? >>MAYOR: YOU ARE INCLUDING THE

OTHER CONDITION. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: CONDITION FROM STAFF. MAYOR MAYOR IS THERE A SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I WILL SECOND THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: DISCUSSION.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I DON'T WANT TO PROLONG IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR.

I AM CLEAR ON THE TWO CONDITIONS OF THE MOTION.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR IN THAT -- EITHER AGAINST OR FOR THE STAFF CONDITION PART OF IT THE APPLICANT PRIOR TO THE SUBMITTAL OF THE PLAT. HAVE ENGINEERING ON THE DOCUMENTS. A TIME TABLE ASSOCIATED WITH

THAT? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I NEW AT FOR FINAL.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: PRIOR TO THE SUBMITTAL OF THE FINAL PLAT. THE DATE PAPER WILL BE PRIOR TO SUBMISSION OF FINAL PLAT BASED ON WHAT YOU HEARD YOU SAID.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: GREAT POINT.

BASED ON THAT, THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME IN BEFORE US -- THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME IN BEFORE US TO -- TO IN FRONT OF US OR TO THE STAFF. THAT'S WHERE I AM CONFUSED.

READ IT AGAIN? >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE STAFF CONDITION IS PRIOR TO THE SUBMITTAL OF THE FINAL PLAT, THE APPLICANT WILL ADDRESS ALL OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ENGINEERING COMMENTS ON THE PLAT DOCUMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: RIGHT. AND WHAT WE HEARD THE ENGINEERING COMMENTS WAS A BOND AND SOMETHING ELSE?

>> MADAM MAYOR, TO CLARIFY, YOU CAN HAVE STAGGERING STATES OR STAGGERED DATES. FOR CONDITION ONE, I AM HEARING 30 DAYS. FOR CONDITION TWO, I AM HEARING -- THE MOTION WASES TO GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION WHICH IS JUST BEFORE SUBMISSION OF THE FINAL PLAT.

IF YOU WANT TO ALTER THAT, IT NEEDS TO BE STATED IN THE

MOTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU --

COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON -- >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MY CONCERN, NAD DAMMED MAYOR IS THE MOTION I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS TO -- TO BASICALLY GET TO WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GET TO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS ISSUE. MY SUGGESTION IS THE 30 DAYS FOR HIM -- FOR THE APPLICANT TO CURE THE DATE STAMP PLUS THE CONDITION OF THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE ENGINEER'S APPLICANTS APPLICATION. UP DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE THE APPLICANT TO GET WHATEVER THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW WANTS. THAT IS NOT MY -- I KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A STAMP.

HAVE SOMEBODY STAMP A PROJECT IN 30 DAYS BECAUSE IF NOT, THAT IS THE WHOLE -- THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT -- THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION AND SOMETHING IS WRONG IN MY EYES.

THAT'S WHY I SAID 30 DAYS. AND I REFER TO MY TWO ENGINEERS THAT ARE SITTING BESIDE ME. I DON'T -- I DON'T LIVE IN YOUR WORLD. SO 30 DAYS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YOU ANSWERED IT.

I WAS MAKING SURE YOU WERE INCLUDING THE DATE IN BOTH OF THOSE CONDITIONS OR SEPARATES I JUST HEARD YOU SAY.

NUMBER ONE, TO 30 DAYS. NUMBER TWO, STAFF.

ENGINEERING COMMUNITIES BE ADDRESSED.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THAT IS MY MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I UNDERSTAND THAT TOO.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

ARE WE READY TO VOTE? CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> ARE WE READY TO GO AHEAD AND PROCEED OR WAIT A MINUTE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUT IN THE LOBBY, I APPRECIATE IT, BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE TO DO.

UNLESS YOU WANT TO STAY WITH US. OR YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY WITH U US.

[k. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for a Site Plan (Development and Design Review) by property owner, ABS Gas & Go, Inc., and representative, Sonia Gonzalez of The Permit Shop, to construct an approximately 5,590 square foot Gas Station, Convenience Store, and Retail Facility with associated site improvements at or near 3810 South US Highway 1 in Fort Pierce, Florida, more specifically located at Parcel Control Number: 2434-501-0035-000-1.]

>> NEXT ITEM IS REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR SITE PLAN,

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DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW BY PROPERTY OWNER ABS GAS AND GO, INC. AND REPRESENTATIVE SONYA GONZALEZ OF THE PERMIT SHOP TO CONSTRUCT A 5509-SQUARE-FOOT GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE AND RETAIL FACILITY WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS AT 3810 SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1 IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: HAVE THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS BEEN

MET. >> THEY HAVE BEEN MET.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EX-PARTE

COMMUNICATIONS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: NONE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NO, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NONE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: NONE.

>> SPILL COME BACK TO COMMISSIONER GAINES WHEN HE

RETURNS BACK TO THE CHAMBERS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WOULD YOU LIKE

TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES. >> SURE, ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> I DO. >> THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE A SITE PLAN REVIEW AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION FOR ABS GAS & GO LOCATED AT 3810 U.S. HIGHWAY 1. THE APPLICANT SON I DON'T GONZALEZ OF THE PERMIT SHOP, PROPERTY OWNER ABS GAS & GO, INC. PARCEL ID.

2434-501-0035-000-1. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING 5509-SQUARE-FOOT GAS STATION, CONVENIENCE STORE AND RETAIL FACILITY WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE SITE IS SLOW KATED ON APPROXIMATELY 1.05 ACRES.

THE SITE IS SURROUND AND BY COMMERCIAL USES TO THE NORTH, SOUTH AND WEST AND RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE EAST.

PREVIOUSLY A GAS STATION FACILITY EXISTED ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE FORMER GAS STATION DEMOLISHED IN 2015. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE THE 5590-SQUARE-FOOT GAS STATION, RETAIL STORE AND FACILITY. 2 PARKING SPACES ARE ON THE SITE PLAN. ONE HAND ID CAP SPACE -- ONE SPACE BEING A HANDICAPPED SPACE. THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE AND 1.05 ACRES LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH U.S. HIGHWAY 1 AND ST. JAMES BOULEVARD CURRENT LAND USE IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. AND SITE PLAN, THE -- APPROXIMATELY 5,000-SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY IS BROKEN UP INTO TWO BUILDINGS. A RETAIL SPACE 1809 SQUARE FEET APPROXIMATELY. THE CONVENIENCE STORE FOR THE GAS STATION IS APPROXIMATELY 2400 SQUARE FEET AND ADDITIONAL RETAIL SPACE ATTACHED TO THE CONVENIENCE STORE WHICH IS PRESIDENT 1300 SQUARE FEET. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN FOR THE SUBJECT SITE AS YOU CAN SEE. LANDSCAPING BORDERS THE SURROUNDING OF THE PROPERTY WITH THE BUFFER COMPLETELY AROUND IT.

THE PLANTING LIST FOR THE SUBJECT SITE FOR TREES AND PALMS ARE 11 SILVER WOOD BUTTON. EIGHT ORANGE GEIGER, EIGHT GREEN BUTTON, FIVE CREPE MYRTLE, 16 FLORIDA THATCH PALMS A AND INCLUDE GROUND COVER. AND ST. AUGUSTINE SOD ELEVATIONS TO THE NORTH ELEVATION WITH SOUTH AND EAST OF THE PROPOSED GAS AND RETAIL FACILITY. AND THE -- THE ELEVATION BEFORE YOU. THIS IS THE THE BUILDING THAT -- THAT IS SEPARATED FROM THE CONVENIENT STORE AND RETAIL TO THE SOUTH. FOR YOU A RENDERING OF PROPOSED GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE AND RETAIL FACILITIES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, BEFORE YOU LEAVE THIS SLIDE, CAN YOU TILL ME WHICH WAY -- WHICH STREET IS ON THE

LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THIS PAGE? >> ON THIS ONE?

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES. >> THAT IS ST. JAMES.

THAT WE SAID ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE?

YEAH, ST. JAMES. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WHICH

WAY IS U.S. 1? >> U.S. 1 WILL BE ON THE NORTH.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THE TOP OF THE PAGE?

>> THE TOP OF THE PAGE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NOT

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THE NORTH. TOP OF PAGE.

OKAY. >> TOP OF PAGE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YO YOU. AND ONCE AGAIN A RENDERING TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITE PLAN IS CHANGED WITH THE LANDSCAPING. AS YOU CAN SEE THE INGRESS, EGRESS ON TO THE -- I GUESS COULD YOU SAY TO THE -- TO THE WEST FROM OUR VIEWER. HAS BEEN CHANGED TO RIGHT TURN ONLY. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL RENDERING TO GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING HOW IT IS GOING TO

LOOK. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: A CONNECTION TO WHICH STREET?

>> U.S. 1. ON THE SITE PLAN.

AFTER REVIEW FROM THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THEY ARE ONLY ALLOWING A RIGHT TURN ALONG U.S. 1.

THE RENDERING IS JUST SHOWING YOU MORE DETAIL.

OKAY. PLANNING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATIONS WITH TWO STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AT THEIR JUNE 12, 2023 MEETING.

STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. ONE APPEAR CERTIFICATION OF A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. COST ESTIMATE AND LANDSCAPE BOND SHALL BE REQUIRED BEFORE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED FOR THIS SITE AND TWO, PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY SITE PLAN PERMITS THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE A TRUE MITIGATION SURVEY FOR THE FORT PIERCE ARBORIST OF CITY-RELATED TREES AS THE SITE'S DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY.

ONCE AGAIN, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE TWO SUBJECT CONDITIONS. ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE RECOMMENDING MODIFIED APPROVAL AND RECOMMENDING DISAPPROVAL.

THANK YOU, CITY COMMISSION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS OF

STAFF. >> I WANT TO ASK COMMISSIONER GAINES AT THIS POINT IF HE HAD ANY EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS

REGARDING THIS MATTER? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I HAVE

NOT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER J.

JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. LOOKS GOOD.

THIS PARCEL HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR SOME TIME.

INTERESTED TO SEE IT WHAT IS NEXT.

AND HERE WE HAVE A GREAT CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT OR SITE PLAN.

IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE LANDSCAPE PLAN OR THE ONE RIGHT BEFORE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. JUST BEFORE THAT.

ONE MORE BACK. A LITTLE MORE CLEAR.

U.S. 1 IS ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE AND TO THE NORTH AND ST. JAMES IS TO MY SOUTH. AND IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN, THERE ARE RESIDENCES THAT I SAW IN ANOTHER SLIDE.

>> TO THE EAST. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: TO THE EAST. SO IS THERE ANY BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS OF THE EASTERN BORDER.

MAYBE YOU HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

APPLICANT IS REQUIRING LANDSCAPING IN THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPE BUFFER; HOWEVER, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ABUT THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, THERE IS A RIGHT-OF-WAY IN BETWEEN, THERE IS NO NECESSARY BUFFER REQUIREMENT.

THE LANDSCAPING. >> HOW ABOUT THE CONDITION OF FRANCIS ROAD OR ST. JAMES BOULEVARD AND SOME ADDITIONAL -- TO ME, THERE ARE A BRAND-NEW APPLICATION THAT THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN SITTING FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND PREVIOUSLY USED AS A GAS STATION AS WE LIKE TO CALL THEM WHAT IS THE CONDITION OF THE CONNECTING ROADWAYS THAT IS IN OUR JURISDICTION OR COUNTY

RIGHT-OF-WAYS. >> ST. JAMES IS THE COUNTY ROAD.

>> U.S. 1. >> U.S. 1 IS FDOT.

>> WE ARE NOT CONNECTING TO FRANCIS?

>> NO, NOT AT ALL. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THIS PROPERTY, ODDLY ENOUGH, THE CHAMBER HAS EMPTIED.

BUT IT IS VERY CLOSE TO THE EXACT SAME PROPERTIES WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IN A PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS.

AND OUR FOLKS ARE LEFT. BUT THAT IS OKAY.

I AM NOT ASKING THEM TO COME BACK.

BUT I SAID IT MAKES ME SMILE A LITTLE BIT.

TALK TO ME ABOUT STORMWATER ON THIS PROPERTY AND WHAT IS THE APPLICANT PROPOSING FOR STORMWATER WITH THIS NEW

IMPERVIOUS AREA. >> I WILL HAVE TO DEFER THAT TO THE APPLICANT. I AM NOT SURE OF THE DETAILS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE CONTAINING THAT ON-SITE, BUT IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED THURSDAY, YOU LOW BY OUR ENGINEERING

DEPARTMENT BY STORMWATER. >> PREVIOUS LEAVE BEING A GAS STATION AS WE LIKE TO CALL THEM, DO YOU KNOW THERE WAS ANY

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MITIGATION, PARAMETERS. ANY MONITORING AS WELL AS.

DID EVERYTHING CLEAN UP AND READY TO GO FOR THIS SITE?

>> YES, THAT WAS CONFIRMED BY THE APPLICANT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: JUST REAL QUICK. I THINK THERE ARE 15 SPARKING SPACES ON-SITE. DOES THAT MEET THE REQUIRED

CODE? >> CORRECT.

ACTUALLY THERE ARE 22. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: SORRY, GETTING LATE. ONE OBSERVATION.

IT APPEARS TO ME THAT THE LANDSCAPE PACKAGE THAT THE DEVELOPER SIN STALLING IS FAR IN EXCESS WHAT THE CITY REQUIREMENT IS. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT.

I DON'T RECALL REQUIREMENT FOR ROYAL PALM AND INSTALLING.

>> THAT IS ALL I AM SUGGESTING THAT THEY ARE INVESTING IN THE SITE TO MAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE FAR SUPERIOR TO WHAT THEY REQUIRE UNDER A NORMAL APPLICATION.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OTHER QUESTIONS? CAN YOU APPLICANT COME FORWARD PLEASE.

STATE YOUR NAME, AND I THINK -- I SAW THAT YOU WERE SWORN IN.

ALSO I WANT YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WHAT IS YOUR NAME.

>> MY NAME IS SONYA GONZALEZ. AND I REPRESENT THE OWNER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF

STAFF? >> NO, I DO NOT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU FOR SITTING THROUGH ALL THE OTHER BUSINESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH TONIGHT.

DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD TO WHAT THE STAFF SAID?

>> NO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WANT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED OR HAVE ANY -- COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, DO YOU WANT TO ASK THEM YOUR QUESTIONS?

>> STATE YOUR NAME. >> I AM THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. ABDO AKL.

>> THANK YOU. I AM A FORT PIERCE RESIDENT AS

WELL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WERE SWORN

IN, SIR. >> YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU FOR LIVING IN FORT PIERCE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, MY ONLY QUESTION.

YOU HEARD A LOT OF TALK ABOUT STORMWATER TONIGHT.

YOU HAVE A PROJECT -- >> ACTUALLY THAT WAS ADDRESSED AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING. AND WE DO HAVE A RETEFRNGS AREA.

AND A -- WHAT DO THEY CALL IT A FRENCH DRAIN SET UP THAT THEY ARE DOING ON THE PROPERTY. TO HOLD OUR RETENTION WATER ON OUR PROPERTY. AND -- AND THE -- AND THE -- ACTUALLY, THE -- THE LANDSCAPING WITH A WAS SETTLED BECAUSE I WENT THREE MONTHS GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH MY LANDSCAPER AND EVERYTHING. THAT -- IRKNOW THAT WAS A

QUESTION ADDRESSED. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MORE OF A COMMENT, BUT THANK YOU FOR --

>> RIGHT. BECAUSE TALKING OF HEIGHT AND LINES BEFORE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO IT TOOK US A GOOD THREE MONTHS TO GET ALL THAT SETTLED UP. THAT SHOULD BE ALL -- THAT

SHOULDN'T BE UP THERE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT.

>> AND WE HAVE A CLEAN SITE. IT IS A CLEAN STATE SITE.

OKAY. YOU SHOULD HAVE THE DOCUMENTS.

UP KNOW THE PLANNING BOARDS HAVE THE DOCUMENTATIONS ON THAT AS WELL. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO

ASK? >>MAYOR: COMMISSIONER C.

JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I ECHOED THAT. I WAS LOOKING AT GOOGLE EARTH AND THE KIND OF THE CORNER THAT YOU REINVIGORATE THERE.

CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT. IT IS NOT UP HERE.

I WAS LOOKING ONLINE. TALK TO ME ABOUT SIGNAGE.

THIS IS A GAS STATION OBVIOUSLY AND IN THIS TECHNICAL DRAWING HAS TECHNICAL SIGNAGE OF -- WHERE SIGNAGE GOES TO LET PEOPLE KNOW BECAUSE I GUESS IF YOU WERE TRAVELING SOUTH ON U.S. 1, THE ONLY WAY YOU WILL ENTER THIS IS TO PERHAPS TURN LEFT ON ST.

JAMES. A LEFT-TURN LANE ON THAT CORNER

AND THATS'S HOW -- >> LEFT ON -- LEFT OR RIGHT ON

TO ST. JAMES. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.

I GOT IT NOW. >> AND THERE WILL BE ABLE TO GO

IN AND OUT OF ST. JAMES. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: OKAY. AND ABLE TO TURN RIGHT.

>> EXIT ON U.S. 1. WE DENT THROUGHOUT D.O.T. WITH

THAT. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GOT IT. WHERE IS THE SIGNAGE FOR YOUR

ESTABLISHMENT? >> I GUESS WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

WE WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. AND I KNOW THAT -- I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO PUT UP SIGNS AND I KNOW THAT THEY -- IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS THEY DISCUSSED WE ARE GOING TO PUT A RIGHT-TURN LANE ON ST. JAMES AS WELL. OKAY.

SO I KNOW -- DIFFERENT STUFF WAS ADDRESSED.

I JUST -- MY ENGINEER IS NOT HERE TODAY.

THIS IT -- ALLY BOTH OF THEM WERE ON VACATION.

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>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WILL TALK TO STAFF.

MY QUESTION WILL COME FOR STAFF. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I WILL JUST -- IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO ADD A SIGN? YOU WANT TO? SOMETIMES THE CANOPY COVERS THAT WITH YOUR LABELS AND SIGNAGE.

YOUR INTENTION TO HAVE A SIGN? >> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PRICE SIGN. RACETRACS HAVE THEM ON THE CANOPY. BUT I HAVEN'T DECIDED IT SHALL LIKE I SAID WE DIDN'T GET INTO THE BUILDINGS YET COMPLETELY.

JUST CONCEPTUAL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO

ADD? >> NO, THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THAT'S IT. YEP.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO MOVEMENT.

I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND ENTERTAIN DISCUSSION.

OR A MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: JUST BEFORE THAT, I THINK IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT.

I GUESS FOR STAFF AND MY CONCERN IS IF THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK BEFORE US FOR TO INPUT A SIGN.

WHERE DOES THE SIGN GO. BY THE ROAD, NAVIGATION.

CORNER, BLIND CORNERS WITH A SIGN OUT THERE.

BUT I NEED SOME ASSURANCES FROM STAFF.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MR. FREEMAN OR MR. GIL.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SO I AM THINKING THE RIGHT

THING. >> NOT REQUIRED IN OUR CODE TO HAVE SIGN SUBMITTED WITH THE SITE PLANTS.

WE HAVE HAD SOME SITE PLANS. TIME FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMITS TO SUBMIT THE SIGHT PLANS -- OR THE SIGNS.

WE HAVE REGULATION TO GUARANTEE SAFETY SUCH AS CLEAR VISION CODE WHICH REGULATES WHERE SIGNS ARE PLACED FOR SAFETY FOR CORNERS.

WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE -- >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SOME ASSURANCES. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THE ONLY CONCERN AS WE LOOKED THAT THE CORNER THERE.

THANK YOU. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE WE APPROVE WITH STAFF'S TWO CONDITIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SECOND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: BASED ON -- BASED ON CONVERSATION WITH MADAM ATTORNEY SINCE I WASN'T HERE PRIOR TO MOST OF ALL OF -- ALL OF THE TESTIMONY, NO VOTE. ABSTAIN FROM VOTING BASED ON

WHAT THE MADAM ATTORNEY. >> THE TESTIMONY STARTED WHEN THE COMMISSIONER WAS OUT IN HAD THE HALLWAY.

JUST TO KEEP IT CLEAN, I SAID THAT HE SHOULD CONSIDER JUST

SITTING THIS ONE OUT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: HE HAS TO FILL

OUT A FORM. >> HE CAN FILL OUT THE FORM, BUT THIS IS -- THIS IS -- IT IS NOT A CONFLICT SITUATION.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: PROCEDURAL THING.

>> PROCEDURAL SITUATION. YES, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. >> I WILL NEED YOUR HELP ON THAT ONE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO --

>> OKAY. WE CAN TALK -- WE CAN TALK

AFTER. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

YES, MA'AM. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. CONGRAT CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. WELCOME.

[l. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for a Site Plan (Development and Design Review) by property owner, Bishop of Diocese of PB, and representative, Darren C. Guettler, P.E., to construct an approximately 6,000 square foot Field House Storage Facility with associated site improvements at or near 3822 Delaware Avenue in Fort Pierce, Florida, more specifically located at Parcel Control Number: 2408-324-0002-000-7. ]

WELCOME TO FORT PIERCE. NEXT A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING FOREREVIEW AND APPLICATION FOR SITE PLAN DESIGN REVIEW BY PROPERTY OWNER BISHOP MUCH THE DIOCESE OF PALM BEACH.

DARREN GUETTLER WITH FIELD SITE FACILITY 3822 DELAWARE AVENUE IN

FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. >>MAYOR HUDSON: HAVE THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS BEEN MET?

>> THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM HAS BEEN MET.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: CAN YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: NONE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: NONE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NONE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I HAVE SPOKEN TO RESIDENTS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NO, MA'AM. WOULD LIEU I CAN TO SWEAR IN THE

WITNESSES. >> SURE.

ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS. DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: PROCEED.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, A SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REVIEW APPLICATION FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL FIELD HOUSE STORAGE FACILITY AT 3822 DELAWARE AVENUE, PARCEL NUMBER

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2408-324-002-000-7. APPLICANT IS DARREN GUETTLER AND PROPERTY OWNER IS BISHOP OF DIOCESE OF PALM BEACH.

THE APPLICANT WANTS TO CONSTRUCT A 6,000-SQUARE-FOOT FIELD HOUSE STORAGE FACILITY WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

0.72 ACRES. SITE SURROUNDED BY JOHN CARROLL HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS TO THE WEST TO NORTH.

RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE EAST AND SOUTH AND PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL INCLUDE THE FIELD HOUSE FACILITY, NEW DRIVEWAY, ASSOCIATED REST ROOMS, NEW LANDSCAPING, DRAINAGE, LIGHTING AND MARK FOR VEHICLES. FIVE SPACES, ONE SPACE BEING A HANDICAPPED SPACE. SOUTHERNMOST PORTION IS A DRY RETENTION AREA AND DRAIN FIELD. HERE IS THE PAIR YELL REVIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE. CURRENT LAND USE IS A ZONING OF R-4 ZONING RESIDENTIAL. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

WITH THE NORTH FACING TO YOUR LEFT.

AND THE DRIVEWAY TO YOUR RIGHT. BUT ALSO THE -- THE PROPOSED DRY DETENTION AREA. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN AND PLANT LIST FOR THE IS YOU, SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THEY ARE PROPOSING NINE SABLE PALM, NINE BUTTON WOOD, SEVEN EAGLESTON HOLLY, THREE BALD CYPRESS ALONG WITH SHRUBS AND GROUND COVER AND OTHER MAT MATERIALS.

THIS IS THE DESIGN OF THE SUBJECT STORAGE FACILITY.

PLANNING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW APPLICATION WITH THE TWO STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AT THEIR JUNE 12, 2023 MEETING.

THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ARE, NUMBER ONE, COMPLETION CERTIFICATION OF A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 123-6 WILL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED AND PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF SITE PLAN AND TREE MITIGATION AND CITY OF FORT PIERCE ARBORIST FOR THE CITY REGULATED TREES PROPOSED TO, HE MOVED AS A PART OF THE SITE'S DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY.

SITE IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION MODIFIED APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT THE REASON YOUR SEEING JUST THE STORAGE FACILITY IS BECAUSE OF THE SITE PLAN THRESHOLDS.

THIS IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET. IT IS REALLY JUST -- ALMOST LIKE A LARGE SHED IS SOME WAY. THIS IS WHY THIS IS GOING BEFORE YOU. SO, THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY, I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND YOU HAVE WAITED A LONG TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR

PATIENCE. >> I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT AND

I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS

FROM STAFF? >> NO, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> I DO NOT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THREE AND A QUARTER HOURS FOR THAT.

>> WE ARE REALLY SORRY. >> THANKS, KEV.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THAT WAS SOME COMMENT.

[LAUGHTER] >>MAYOR HUDSON: TELL US A STORY.

YOU HAVE A REALLY BIG SHED THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU TO MAKE YOU EARN YOUR PAY, I GUESS. I NOTICE WE DON'T GET MANY APPLICATIONS WHERE WE ARE LOOKING AT A SEPTIC TANK.

>> THERE IS NO FRONTAGE FOR AT THAT FORCE MAIN, BUT THE DESIGN WILL HAVE IS A GRINDER STATION. WHENEVER THERE IS A FORCE MAIN.

NOT IDEAL AND WE DON'T WANT THAT SCENARIO BUT WE ARE TIED IN HAD

RIGHT NOW. >>MAYOR HUDSON: GREAT ANSWER.

ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: TIME IS WELL SERVED.

YOU SHOWED UP. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD.

OKAY, SEEING NO MOVEMENT. BRING IT PACK TO THE COMMISSION.

CLOSE THE PUBLER HEARING AND DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE WITH THE

TWO STAFF CONDITIONS. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT CONCLUDES OR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS.

[a. Resolution 23-R40 appointing an Interim City Attorney.]

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GAUNTLET.

>> NEXT WE MOVE ON TO A RESOLUTION 23-R 40.

RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF FORT

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PIERCE, FLORIDA, DESIGNATING AN INTERIM CITY ATTORNEY AND

PROVIDE FONG EFFECTIVE DATE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DISCUSSION OR A

MOTION? >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION 23-R 40.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: SECOND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION AND SECOND BROD D.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: DO WE NEED A SPECIFIC DATE.

THE 19TH. IT BECOMES EFFECTIVE- THE DAY NATANYA WILL BE LEAVING.

I THINK IT IS IN THE RESOLUTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL,

PLEASE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES.

[b. Resolution 23-R42 authorizing the signature of a deed transferring city rights-of-way pursuant to an exchange agreement with St. Lucie County. ]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION 23-R 42. RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, EXECUTION OF A DEED TRANSFERRING CERTAIN CITY RIGHT-OF-WAYS OF TO ST. LUCIE, AUTHORIZING, THE MAYOR, CITY ATTORNEY AND EVERYTHING OF THE

FICTIVE DATE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYTHING TO SAY,

MR. MIMMS. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: THAT WILL BE

MISS EARLEY. >> I WILL DISAGREE WITH MR. MIMMS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER. [LAUGHTER] THIS AGREEMENT THAT -- THAT MR. MIMMS I THINK WORKED ON AND PROVIDED A LOT OF INPUTS ON. THIS RESOLUTION IS SIMPLY EXTENDING AUTHORITY FOR ALL PARTIES TO ACTUALLY SIGN THE DOCUMENTS AND IT IS AS WAY OF MEMORIALIZING THE FACT THAT THE DEED IS GOING TO BE SIGNED AND ALLOWING THE CITY CLERK GREATER EASE AT LOOKING UP TRANSACTIONS. SO THAT IS REALLY ALL IT IS.

THE SUBSTANCE BEHIND IT IS CITY MAN

MANAGER. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SHE

JUST LOBBED THAT ONE BACK. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU GOING TO

EXTEND THAT BACK TO HER. >> YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF RESOLUTIONS MOVING FORWARD AND IMPLEMENT A NEW POLICY WITH I WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONTRACTS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE TO A HISTORY OF WHERE WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE.

AND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING 20 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN WE ARE ALL GONE, SOMEBODY HISTORICALLY CAN SEE KIND OF THE OUTLINE HOW WE GOT

WHERE WE WERE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT PROPERTY.

>> DEALS WITH STREET RIGHT-OF-WAYS.

THE STREET RIGHT-OF-WAYS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE SHALL BE RECEIVING WILL BE INDIAN RIVER DRIVE FROM SEA WAY TO MARINA WAY. THE STREET RIGHT-OF-WAYS THAT ST. LUCIE COUNTY ARE ALL STREETS NORTH OF SEAWAY DRIVE, NORTH OF U.S. 1 AND SOUTH OF TAYLOR CREEK THAT CAN, YOU KENT RELY OF FORT

PIERCE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: EXCHANGE WITH THE COUNTY WITH THE PORT STREETS AND INDIAN RIVER.

>> TO INCLUDE INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, SECOND STREET, FISHERMAN'S WHARF, PORT AVENUE AND HARBOR STREET.

MAYOR MAYOR FOR THE PUBLIC'S CLARIFICATION WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION. THAT MR. MIMMS AND MISS EARLEY

WORKED ON. >>NICHOLAS MIMMS: UP DIDN'T DO TOO MUCH. [LAUGHTER]

OH, BOY, OH, BOY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 23-R 42.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION AND SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. QUICKLY, WHY HE.

[c. Submittal of applications for the Fort Pierce Youth Council.]