[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
THIS IS THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, AND IT IS TUESDAY, AUGUST 8, 2023. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF
ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, UNDIVISIBLE WITH
LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON? >> PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER DISBHAINS. >> HERE, MA'AM.
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON? PRESENT.
COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON? >> PRESENT.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER DISBHAINS.
>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?
>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?
[5. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
>> YES, MA'AM. >> MADAM CHAIR, I DO BELIEVE AT THE LATE TIME, THAT THE PULLING WAS DONE.
THE APPROVAL OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT FOR PURCHASE AND DEVELOPMENT FOR FISHERMAN'S WHARF, THAT NEEDS TO BE PULLED HERE AT THIS TIME. THIS ISSUE IS STILL IN THE NEGOTIATION PHASE. AND WE HAVE NOT ARRIVED AT AN AGREEMENT AT THIS TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL IT AT
STAFF'S REQUEST. >> ALL RIGHT.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER CHANGES, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION WITH
THAT CHANGE. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON?
>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON?
>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?
>> YES, MA'AM. MAYOR HUDSON IN.
[6. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject on this agenda may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Chairperson, as this section of the Agenda is limited to fifteen minutes. The FPRA Board will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Chairperson, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]
>> YES, MA'AM. >> WE MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. NO, WE DON'T.
WE MOVE ON TO COMMENTS PRESIDENT ARE PUBLIC.
>> IS THERE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. PLEASE COME FORWARD.
[7. CONSENT AGENDA]
SEEING NO ONE,LY CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.WE WILL MOVE ON. >> WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.
>> WE HAVE ONE ITEM ON THERE. ANYBODY WANTS TO DISCUSS IT?
IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT
AGENDA. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.
>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON? >> YES.
>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES.
COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM.
[a. Freebee Update]
>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON? YES, MA'AM.
>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.
>> MADAM, CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP OUR FRIEND JASON FROM FREEBEE.
HE IS GOING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE.
THIS UPDATE IS AT THE REQUEST OF THE FPRABOARD AS WE ENTER INTO THIS PILOT PROJECT. AS YOU KNOW, SOME MONTHS AGO, WE ENTERED INTO AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPO TRANSPORTATION-RELATED PROJECT WITH FREEBEE BECAUSE OF THEIR EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE STATE.
YOU ALL WANTED TO HAVE A SIX-MONTH OVERVIEW AND UPDATE AS TO THE PROGRESS OF THIS PILOT PROGRAM.
AT THIS TIME, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR FRIENDS, AND WE WILL GET
>> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
IT IS GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY AGAIN.
MY NAME IS JASON SPEAKLE. I'M ONE OF THE COFOUNDERS AND MANAGING PARTNERS HERE AT FREEBEE.
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TONIGHT.
THIS PILOT PROJECT IS NOW-- HAS BEEN OPERATING SIX MONTHS AS OF YESTERDAY. WE ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS SO FAR OF THIS PROJECT. AND REALLY JUST LOOKING AND COMPARING THIS TO THE DATA TO OTHER SERVICE THAT IS WE HAVE LAUNCHED OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY PERFORMING IN A VERY HEALTHY MANNER.
AND WITH SOME TWEAKS, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE IN TERMS OF RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY, I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THIS CAN ACTUALLY TRANSFORM INTO ONE OF THE GREATEST TRANSPORTATION-- PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS HERE WITHIN ST. LUCIE COUNTY.
HOW DO I CLICK-- THERE YOU GO. SORRY.
FIRST, I WANT TO REITERATE AND GO BACK TO SOME OF THE GOALS OF THIS PROGRAM. AND WHY THIS PROGRAM WAS IMPLEMENTED. AGAIN, THIS WAS LAUNCHED IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FPRA. REALLY TO PROVIDE THAT SEAMLESS CONNECTIVITY ON THAT ACCESSIBILITY AROUND THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR, THE BEACH SIDE AND ACTUALLY PROVIDE CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN BOTH OF THOSE DIFFERENT AREAS THERE.
IN DOING SO, IT WILL PROVIDE THIS COMMUNITY ACCESS TO EVERYTHING THAT FORT PIERCE HAS TO OFFER WHILE HELPING TO REDUCE TRAFFIC, FREE UP LIMITED PARKING AVAILABILITY, ACT AS A FEEDER SYSTEM FEEDING INTO THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, AND ALSO BEING THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DRIVER, HELPING TO DRIVE DOOR-TO-DOOR TRAFFIC TO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND REALLY JUST PROMOTING THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY HERE. WE ARE DOING THIS IN A VERY, VERY SUSTAINABLE WAY BY USING 100% ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND AGAIN, ULTIMATELY, WITH THE MAIN GOAL OF MAKING THIS COMMUNITY A
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PLACE WHERE YOU CAN COME LIVE, COME WORK AND PLAY AND NOT NEED TO HAVE A PERSONAL VEHICLE THERE.SO AGAIN, THIS IS A PILOT PROJECT.
AND WITHIN THIS PILOT PROJECT, WE STARTED WITH A VERY LIMITED AREA, WITH LIMITED DAYS AND LIMITED HOURS.
SO RIGHT NOW, WE OPERATE FOUR DAYS A WEEK.
THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. FROM 10:00 A.M. TO 8:00 P.M. ON THURSDAYS. 10:00 A.M. TO 10:00 P.M. ON FRIDAYS AND SATURDAYS. AND 10:00 A.M. TO 8:00 P.M. ON SUNDAYS. WE HAVE FOUR VEHICLES.
AGAIN, OPERATING IN A SMALL AREA WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN CORE.
AND THEN GOING INTO THE BEACH SIDE INTO A LIMITED AREA THERE AS WELL. NOW, OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A PILOT PROJECT. AND THE GOAL OF THE PILOT PROJECT IS TO GATHER DATA, TO GATHER FEEDBACK TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY OF A PROGRAM WOULD LOOK LIKE HERE WITHIN THE FORT PIERCE AREA.
AND TYPICALLY, AGAIN, WHEN YOU HAVE LIMITED DAYS, LIMITED HOURS, LIMITED SERVICE AREAS, YOU ARE LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN ACTUALLY USE THE SERVICE THERE.
BUT EVEN WITH THAT, WE ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE RIDERSHIP THAT WE HAVE SEEN OVER THESE FIRST SIX MONTHS.
IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HIGHER THAN OUR SIMILAR COMMUNITIES WHERE WE HAVE LAUNCHED A SIMILAR TYPE OF PILOT PROJECTS WITH.
THAT, THOUGH, AGAIN, THERE IS RECOMMENDATION THAT IS WE THINK WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BRING TO THE TABLE TODAY IN SUPPORT WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY TRANSIT WHO IS ACTUALLY HERE AS WELL.
THAT WILL HELP PROVIDE ENHANCEMENTS AND MAKE THIS A SERVICE THAT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF HERE. SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE RIDERSHIP WITHIN THESE FIRST SIX MONTHS, WE HAVE MOVED OVER 7,000 PASSENGERS, AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT MALE AND FEMALE BREAKDOWN.
THE AGE DEMOGRAPHIC OF OUR RIDERS, OUR BIGGEST BASE AT 44% IS OVER 51. THE NEXT BASE IS BETWEEN 21-34.
AT 32%. AND THEN 35-50 AT ABOUT 14% THERE. YOU ARE SEEING THE SERVICES USED VERY EQUITABLY ACROSS THE BOARD BETWEEN ALL DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHICS. THESE ARE THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE USERS THAT HAVE DISPOSABLE INCOME.
AGAIN, THE BIG GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM WAS TO PROVIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS THE MONEY BEING SPENT HERE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AND THE BEACH SIDE AT THE LOCAL BUSINESSES THERE. WHEN IT COMES TO CONSUMER EXPERIENCES THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATED CUSTOMER SERVICE IN TERMS OF SATISFACTION.
98 OUT OF EVERY 100 RIDES THAT WE PROVIDE ARE RATED AT FIVE STARS. IT IS VERY RARELY THAT WE HAVE ANYBODY RATING IT UNDER A FIVE-STAR.
THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME HAS BEEN UNDER TEN MINUTES.
IT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN 8.5 MINUTES.
PEAK TIMES OF SERVICE HAVE BEEN 4:00 TO 8:00 P.M. THROUGH THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. SATURDAY FROM 4:00 P.M. TO 10:00 P.M. AND SUNDAY, FROM 1:00 P.M. TO 5:00 P.M. THERE. SO WHERE ARE PEOPLE RIDING? THIS IS A REALLY COOL CHART TO LOOK AT.
AS YOU WILL SEE WHAT THE HEAT MAP LOOKS LIKE.
WE ARE KIND OF THE BIGGEST PICKUP AND DROP-OFF AREAS.
OUR LARGEST-- AGAIN, JUST KIND OF-- THE LARGEST PLACE THAT WE ARE DROPPING AND PICKING PEOPLE UP ARE THE RESTAURANTS, THE BARS, AND THE LOCAL SHOPPING AREA.
THAT IS HAPPENING HERE WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN CORE ALONG THE BEACH SIDE, WE ARE ALSO GETTING A LOT OF REQUESTS TO AND FROM JETTY PARK. THE FORT PIERCE, THE HARBOR ISLAND MARINA, THE MANATEE OBSERVATION CENTER WHICH CLOSED THIS MONTH, I THINK. THE AQUARIUM, BEACH ACCESS POINTS. A LOT OF THE BEACHSIDE HOTELS THERE. AND AGAIN, SOMETHING THAT IS VERY UNIQUE ABOUT THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE IS THAT WE LOOK TO PARTNER WITH ALL THE LOCAL BUSINESSES HERE.
RIGHT NOW WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH OVER 60 BUSINESSES WHERE THEY HAVE FREE ADVERTISING ON OUR MOBILE APPLICATION.
YOU GIVE ENTIRE PROFILE. MANY ARE OFFERING EXCLUSIVE DEALS AND DISCOUNTS. TO THE CONSUMERS, TO THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. AND MANY OF THESE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
WE ARE DRIVING DOOR-TO-DOOR TRAFFIC RIGHT TO THE FOOTSTEP OF THEIR BUSINESSES THERE. IT HAS BEEN FAST HUGE ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR THESE LOCAL BUSINESSES.
THEY HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY SATISFIED WITH THE SERVICE.
IT IS HELPING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HAVING CUSTOMERS LIVING FOR FREE. THEY ARE HAVING EXTRA MONEY IN THEIR POCKETS THAT THEY ARE SPENDING IN THESE LOCAL BUSINESSES. IT IS FREEING UP SOME LIMITED PARKING AVAILABILITY IN FRONT OF THESE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES, ALLOWING PEOPLE COMING IN, TO BE ABLE TO PARK IN FRONT OF THEIR BUSINESSES AS WELL. OVERALL, IT HAS BEEN PROVIDING A REALLY GOOD ECONOMIC IMPACT. IT IS REALLY JUST, AGAIN, INCREASED VISIBILITY OF THE SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ONE REASON WHY WE KIND OF CAME OUT WITH A POP IS BECAUSE IT DID LAUNCH DURING SPRING BREAK WHICH WAS A GREAT THING. THAT CARRIED THROUGH UNTIL TODAY. WE HAVE SEEN RIDERSHIP INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKENDS HERE.
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. OBVIOUSLY, WE ARE USING 100% ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WE ARE ALL ABOUT REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT WITHIN EVERY COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE OPERATING.
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BASED ON THE MILES THAT WE HAVE TRAVELED, BASED ON PEOPLE NOT TAKING OUT THEIR GAS CAR OR USING A GAS MOBILE VEHICLE TO GET TO WHERE THEY NEED TO GO, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PREVENT TWO MILLION GRAMS OF CO2 FROM BEING PUT INTO THE ATMOSPHERE HERE.THE NEXT SLIDE. LOOKING AT THE FUTURE, THIS IS REALLY EXCITING. OBVIOUSLY, THIS HAS BEEN A PILOT PROJECT, AND TO REALLY IMPLEMENT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY VALUABLE FOR THIS COMM COMMUNITY, IT NEEDS TO HAVE MORE CONSISTENCY WHEN IT COMES TO DAYS OF THE WEEK AND EXPANDED COVERAGE AREAS. ESPECIALLY INTO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. RESIDENTS CAN ACTUALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SERVICE TO COME FREQUENT EVERYTHING THAT FORT PIERCE HAS TO OFFER. WE WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH THE CITY, THE FRPA AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY TO SUBMIT A GRANT BACK IN MAY. AGAIN, THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO HELP EXTEND THE SERVICE FROM FOUR DAYS A WEEK, FROM 40 HOURS A WEEK TO 7 DAYS A WEEK, 70 HOURS A WEEK.
AND ALSO EXPAND THAT CURRENT SERVICE ZONE TO CAPTURE MORE OF THE RESIDENTS THAT LI HERE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
THE EXCITING NEWS IS THAT GRANT HAS ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY BEEN AWARDED TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY WHICH WILL ALLOCATE FUNDS TO FORT PIERCE FOR THE PLANNED EXPANSION HERE.
YOU GUYS WOULD RECEIVE UP TO THREE YEARS OF THIS GRANT WHICH WILL PAY FOR 50% OF ALL THE OPERATING COSTS OVER THESE NEXT THREE YEARS AS THAT PROGRAM BEGINS TO EXPAND THERE.
RIGHT NOW, FOR THIS FIRST YEAR, IN TERMS OF THE PILOT, YOU GUYS HAVE PAID ABOUT $400,000 FOR THE ENTIRE 12 MONTHS.
THIS NEW EXPANSION WOULD TAKE THAT UP TO $520,000.
YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF OF THAT ONLY.
ESSENTIALLY, YOU WOULD BE SAVING $160,000 ANNUALLY OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS WHILE BEING ABLE TO INCREASE SERVICE LEVELS BY OVER 75% WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.
SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY.
TO ESTABLISH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
SIMULTANEOUSLY, WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF TO DEVELOP WHAT THAT NEW GEO-FENCE AREA WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WHAT THE NEW HOURS OF OPERATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND REALLY KIND OF PUT TOGETHER A NEW ROLLOUT PLAN FOR THE EXPANDED SERVICE THERE. ANTICIPATE LAUNCH, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS MONEY IS AVAILABLE RIGHT AWAY.
IT IS JUST A MATTER OF YOU GUYS GETTING TOGETHER WITH THEM TO FORM THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, AND THEN WORKING, AGAIN, WITH STAFF TO REALLY FINALIZE WHAT THAT EXPANSION MAP, EXPANSION HOURS WOULD LOOK LIKE THERE. VERY EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT TO THE TABLE TODAY. AND AGAIN, WE ARE VERY, VERY HAPPY WITH THE, AGAIN, THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE SERVICE.
THE RIDERSHIP CONTINUING TO BUILD.
THE USER SATISFACTION IS EXACTLY WHERE WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE THERE. AND PEOPLE ARE USING THE SER SERVICE. RESIDENTS, WORKERS, VISITORS.
IT HAS BEEN VERY EQUITABLE THERE.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ABOUT THE PROGRAM. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUING TO SEE THIS GROW. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE NOTHING BUT GOOD NEWS. RIGHT?
QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU, VERY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT.
VERY EXCITING TO HEAR. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE EXPANSION OF THIS PROGRAM, AND I GUESS WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE CHIME IN AND MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS.
PARTICULARLY ALL THE STAFF AS THE WORK WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND OTHERS. I THINK THERE IS SOME COMMUNITIES AND SOME POPULATIONS THAT WE MAY NEED TO LOOK AT HOW CAN WE REALLY SERVICE. I NOTICED IN YOUR BREAKOUT, THERE WEREN'T MANY PEOPLE OVER THAT AGE OF 50.
>> GO BACK TO THAT PAGE. >> THTHEY WERE ACTUALLY THE
LARGEST. >> WHAT WAS THE AGE CUTOFF ON
>> 51 AND ABOVE. BEYOND THAT, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I'M CURIOUS AS TO-- BECAUSE WE SERVE A VERY SENIOR COMMUNITY HERE.
I WAS CURIOUS AS TO MY SENIOR RIDERS THAT MAY NEED TO GET TO THE GROCERY STORE. FOR ME, I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT GOING FORWARD, WHAT THAT BREAK POINT IS FROM 50 AND OVER. DO WE HAVE A BIG BONUS AROUND 50-60 AND THEN IT IS LIKE NOTHING ABOVE THAT.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT AS A PERSON THAT SERVES A VERY SENIOR PART OF THE COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THIS. SOMETIMESST THAT CAN BE A TECHNOLOGY CHALLENGE. THAT IS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. THAT WAS THE FIRST CONCERN.
>> ABSOLUTELY. IT IS A GREAT POINT.
LY SAY THAT THE SENIOR RIDERS ACROSS ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES PROBABLY MAKE UP A GOOD 30% TO 40% IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES THERE. TECHNOLOGICALLY, WE ALSO HAVE A DISPATCH NUMBER. AND SPEAK TO ONE OF OUR DISPATCHERS AND GET THAT SAME EXACT DOOR-TO-DOOR SERVICE
WITHOUT HAVING TO USE AN APP. >> OKAY.
GOING FORWARD, THAT IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.
RIGHT? FTO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT WORD OUT. I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT THAT MADE ITS WAY. AS YOU EXPAND THE FENCING, RIGHT? THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY.
THE OTHER THING, HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO MEASURE THE ECONOMIC
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IMPACT? YOU SAID THAT THIS IS CERTAINLY DRIVING BUSINESS-- PEOPLE TO BUSINESSES.ET CETERA. ARE WE MEASURING THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT? WITHIN OUR AREA?
>> IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ACTUALLY DO.
SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY.
>> YES. >> BASICALLY, WE KNOW WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING. RIGHT?
>> RIGHT. >> WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE GETTING DROPPED OFF. FOR US, IT IS KIND OF GATHERING, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE SPEND PER HEAD WHEN, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE-- WE CAN GET THAT DATA FROM A LOT OF BUSINESSES.
>> RIGHT. >> CORRELATE THAT AND COME BACK TO YOU GUYS WITH, LIKE, HEY, THIS IS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON A
>> ON A YEARLY BASIS. WE CAN PULL THAT DATA FOR YOU
GUYS. >> FOR ME, THAT IS HELPFUL.
THAT TELLS US OUR ECONOMIC MEASURE AND WHAT WE ARE PUTTING BACK INTO THE ECONOMY. RIGHT? AND PEOPLE ARE DOING THAT. AND THEN HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO JUSTIFY, SUPPORT, AND EVEN EXPAND WITH THAT? I THINK THAT IS THE MEASURABILITY THAT WE MAY NEED TO ALSO SHARE WITH THE COUNTY, ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT I CONSIDER TOURISM DOLLARS AND RECREATIONAL DOLLARS BY SPENDING IN THESE RESTAURANTS.
IN PARTICULAR, I KNOW THERE IS CERTAIN TECHNOLOGY, AND I'M NOT QUITE SURE, BUT AS WE ADVANCE AND BRING IN MORE LODGING OPPORTUNITIES, IT IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT FURTHER TO TRACK WHERE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE LIVE OUTSIDE OF FORT PIERCE ARE COMING HERE AND SPENDING MONEY HERE. RIGHT? AGAIN, I THINK THAT IS ALL A MEASURABILITY THAT I HAVE SEEN IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BEGIN TO SET UP AND MONITOR THAT STUFF SO THAT WE TRULY UNDERSTAND OUTSIDE DOLLARS THAT COME TO OUR COMMUNITY, SPENDING MONEY IN OUR RESTAURANTS AS WELL. THAT IS A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION WITH TOURISM THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO JUSTIFY AND HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT.
>> AND TO THAT POINT, ACTUALLY, THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN PULL RIGHT WAY FOR YOU GUYS. WHEN PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR THE APP, THEY PUT IN THEIR ZIP CODE. WE CAN PULL IN THE RIDERSHIP BASED ON LOCAL VERSUS OBVIOUSLY TOURIST AND A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE
THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS.
I THINK WE NEED TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT THIS DATA.
THAT COULD TELL US A LOT. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH THIS.
>> AND THE SLIDE THAT YOU HAD THAT TALKED ABOUT WHERE YOU PICKED THEM UP AND DROPPED THEM OFF, YUP.
IT SAYS FORT PIERCE AND HARBOR ISLE MARINA.
I KNOW THAT THE FORT PIERCE MARINA, THAT IS MARINA SQUARE.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HARBOR ISLE.
NOT JUST THE MARINA? >> BOTH MARIE THAT IS, ACTUALLY.
BOTH HAVE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF PICK-UP AND DROP-OFFS.
EVEN ALONG THE BEACH SIDE. ALONG THE CAUSEWAY THERE.
THAT IS THE HARBOR MARINA, CORRECT?
>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT CAUSEWAY COVE.
BECAUSE OF WHAT I WAS ASKING. IF PEOPLE IN HARBOR ISLE ARE USING IT. HARBOR ISLE IS THE BIG DEVELOPMENT JUST EAST OF THE CAUSEWAY COVE MARINA.
>> THE YELLOW. YOU ARE A LITTLE TOO FAR EAST,
YEAH. AS YOU SEE, THAT IS RED.
RED MEANS THAT IS A TON OF USAGE.
I APPRECIATE GETTING THE WAIT TIMES, TOO.
>> YUP. >> I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXPANSION, MAYBE THIS IS NOT FOR YOU, BUT FOR MR. MIMMS. WE STILL HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THE FPRA AREA.
IT WOULD HAVE TO SERVE THE FPRA AREA, YES.
>> RIGHT, RIGHT. >> ONE THING WE DID WITH THE CRA IN DELRAY BEACH IS SIMILAR TO WHERE THIS STARTED.
WE ACTUALLY EXPANDED INTO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN DELRAY BEACH. WE SET THE TECHNOLOGY UP SO THAT YOU HAVE TO START YOUR RIDE OR END YOUR RIDE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT SERVICE.
>> OKAY. >> AGAIN, THAT IS THE GOAL OF BRINGING TRAFFIC IN AND OUT OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICT HERE.
>> MADAM CHAIR, AND AGAIN, THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE ECONOMIC DATA OF THE RESTAURANTS BECAUSE THERE ARE BUSINESSES WITHIN THE FPRA THAT THIS WOULD MEAN MUCH MORE TRACTION TO BE ABLE TO PUSH PEOPLE TO THOSE BUSINESSES, TO SHOW THAT ECONOMIC IMPACT. THEY ARE GREAT RESTAURANTS THAT NEED TO KNOW THIS AND ENCOURAGE THOSE RIDERS TO PARTICIPATE AND PARTAKE OF THESE RESTAURANTS. THAT IS THE DATA I REALLY WANT TO. BRING ALONG, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT ONE THAT ARE IN THE FPRA, THERE ARE SOME GREAT RESTAURANTS OVER THERE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THIS DATA AND IMPACT THAT CAN IMPACT THEIR BUSINESS.
I THINK THAT IS A REAL KEY POINT THAT WHEN THEY SEE THE DATA, THEY WILL BE, LIKE, WOW, THESE BUSINESSES PICKED UP TWO, THREE-FOLD AS A RESULT OF BEING IN THIS AREA.
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THAT IS A GAME-CHANGER ECONOMICALLY FOR THE ENTIRECOMMUNITY. >> AND IT HELPS ATTRACT NEW
>> TO SAY HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO FOR ANY BUSINESS OPENING UP SHOP WITHIN OUR DOWN DOWNTOWN OR BEACH.
>> OR THE WEST SIDE OF FORT PIERCE.
WEST OF U.S.-ONE. >> IF WE ARE CONSIDERING CHANGING THE HOURS, WE ARE GOING TO GO BEYOND-- WE ARE GOING TO BE PROBABLY TAKING PEOPLE TO WORK AND PICKING PEOPLE UP FROM WORK POSSIBLY. RIGHT?
>> AGAIN, THERE IS MANY WAYS THAT THIS CAN GO.
WE WILL WORK WITH YOUR STAFFER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ULTIMATE GOALS ARE AND DESIGN IT AROUND THAT.
>> RIGHT. >> MADAM MAYOR? I WAS GOING TO BRING UP SOME POINTS RELATED TO TOURISM.
SPECIFICALLY. WE HAVE A TDC MEETING TOMORROW.
IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO MS. ENTIRELY, SHE IS THE HEAD OF OUR TOURISM DEPARTMENT. WITHIN THE COUNTY.
I SAID-- I SIT AS THE COMMISSIONER MEMBER FOR FORT PIERCE ON THAT COUNCIL. EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE NUMBERS AND INFORMATION THAT SHE TRACKS ROUTINELY, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR HOTELIERS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, SO TO GET THE VISITOR DATA WILL ASSIST HER INNED BYING THE BACKBONE FOR HER TOURISM DATABASE.
AND JUST LOOKING AT HOW PEOPLE ARE MOVING.
I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE OTHER PART ABOUT THE CRA.
I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION.
REGARDING CREATIVE WAYS TO REACH THOSE OUTLIAR AREAS.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE CROSSED THAT BRIDGE A LITTLE BIT AND YOU HAVE COME UP WITH A GOOD FORMULA.
JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IF I DON'T LIVE WITHIN THE FPRA OR CRA, THEN I CAN TAKE A RIDE AS LONG AS I'M GOING TO A BUSINESS OR A LOCATION WITHIN THE CRA.
THAT IS GOOD TO HEAR. >> AGAIN, FOR THE HOTELS, WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH ALL OF THEM. THEY ARE ALL PROMOWING THE SERVICE. ANY TIME PEOPLE CHECK IN, THEY ARE QUESTIONING A BUSINESS CARD ON HOW TO DOWNLOAD THE APP.
SO YEAH, WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE EVERY HOTEL HAS THE INFORMATION TO PUSH OUT TO THE TOURIST THAT IS COME HERE.
>> YEAH. AS A VISITOR, GOING TO A COMMUNITY, THIS WOULD BE VERY-- IN MY OPINION, IF I WERE TO GO TO ANOTHER CITY, IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO FIND THIS SPECIFICALLY. WITHOUT SOMEONE HANDING ME A CARD. OF INFORMATION OR SHOWING ME A QR CODE ON THE DOOR. THAT SAID HEY, JUST SCAN THIS
RIGHT HERE AND GET A RIEVMENTD. >> THE GOOD THING, THOUGH, AGAIN, YOU GO ON VACATION. THERE IS A SERVICE LIKE THIS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO RENT A CAR. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> IT PROVIDES YOU THAT DOOR-TO-DOOR.
YOU WILL COME BACK TO THAT LOCATION.
IT IS EASY TO MOVE AROUND. >> IT IS.
>> THAT IS A BIG REASON WHY PEOPLE VISIT DIFFERENT PLACES.
THAT EASY MANEUVERABILITY. >> YEAH.
THE FIRST THING I DO WHEN I PLAN A TRIP TO ANOTHER CITY, I'M STARTING TO LOOK AT UBER. RIGHT? THAT IS THE FIRST THING. END THIS THE SECOND THING I DO.
I TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE WHEN I'M THERE.
IF THIS IS AVAILABLE, THAT MAKES IT MORE SIMPLE FOR FOLKS THAT
>> GO AHEAD. >> FINISH YOUR TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
>> ON THAT THOUGHT, ARE YOU LINKED WITH THOSE VACATION HOMES THAT ARE HERE WITH THE CITY? HAVE YOU PENETRATED THAT TO
SHARE THIS? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. NO.
>> WELL, IT IS ON OUR WEBSITE. WE JUST HAVE TO TALK TO THIS
YOUNG LADY RIGHT OVER HERE. >> I THINK, AGAIN, THAT IS A DATA CAPTURE THAT WE WANT TO GET.
>> MORE DATA. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT STAFF
CIRCLE BACK ON THAT ONE. >> ACTUALLY, DON'T WE PROVIDE A BROCHURE OF SERVICES AND EVERYTHING FOR THE SHORT-- VACATION? THE SHORT-TERM?
>> FREEBEE MIGHT NOT BE ON IT. WE DID THAT BEFORE.
WE HAD FREEBEE. WE DID THAT BEFORE WE HAD
FREEBEE. >> IT IS MORE RULES AND
REGULATIONS AS OPPOSED TO -- >> TRUE.
>> I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE SPECIFIC ADVERTISEMENTS.
IF YOU KNOW, I HAVE EMAILS ADDRESSES FOR EVERYBODY.
THAT WOULD BE A NICE WAY TO REACH OUT.
>> IT IS A SAFETY THING, TOO. PEOPLE AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH OUR AREA, RIGHT? THEY MAY GO OUT PARTYING A LITTLE BIT. IT IS BETTER TO HAVE THEM TAKE FREEBEE AS OPPOSED TO TRY TO NAVIGATE THE STREETS THEY ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH. RIGHT?
>> SO THEY DON'T DRINK AND DRIVE, TOO.
>> EXACTLY. >> A QUESTION ON COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S COMMENT. IF I'M OUTSIDE OF YOUR CURRENT SERVICE DISTRICT, AND I CALL YOU FOR PICK-UP, YOU COME OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT IF MY POINT OF DESTINATION IS INSIDE THE
FOR AS WE, BAND IT. RIGHT NOW, AS YOU SEE THE FUTURE AREA, IT IS PICKUP AND DROP-OFF ANYWHERE WITHIN THAT GEO-FENCED AREA. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THAT FENCE OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT HERE, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE T END YOUR RIDE IN THE DISTRICT TO BE
>> COMMISSIONER -- >> GO AHEAD.
>> TO HELP CLARIFY. I WAS ASKING, IF WE EXPANDED THE
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AREA, IF THAT AREA IS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CRA, CAN I GET PICKED UP? BUT SEE, IT IS STILL WITHIN-- THERE IS A FREEBEE BOUNDARY AND THEN A CRA BOUNDARY.I'M TWO BLOCKS OUT OF THE SERVICE AREA.
I COULDN'T WALK THE TWO BLOCKS. >> YOU WANTED TO KNOW.
(LAUGHTER) I GUESS I'M OUT. ACTUALLY, ON A MORE SERIOUS TOPIC, FIRST OFF, EXCELLENT REPORT.
I HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT POSITIVE REVIEWS FROM FOLKS THAT HAVE USED YOUR SERVICES. I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT. FORTUNATELY, THAT IS GOING TO BE FIXED REASONABLY SOON. IF WE CAN TOUCH ON THE ECONOMICS. SOMEWHAT.
AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THE INFORMATION THAT I BELIEVE IS WHAT'S ACCURATE. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE'S COMMITMENT TO THIS PROGRAM IS MAINTAINED AT THE SAME FINANCIAL LEVEL FOR THE DURATION OF THE INITIAL TERM.
AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, IF WE ARE LOOKING TO EXTEND THE TERM TO MATCH POTENTIALLY WITH THE GRANT THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, OUR FINANCIAL COMMITMENT REMAINS THE SAME, AND WE ARE IN THE GREAT POSITION OF EXPANDING SERVICES BOTH GEOGRAPHICALLY AND TIME-WISE. IS THAT A FAIR DESCRIPTION?
>> IT IS BETTER THAN THAT, ACTUALLY.
YOUR FINANCIAL COMMITMENT GETS CUT BY $160,000 EVERY YEAR.
I LIKE IT EVEN BETTER. >> YOUR SERVICE LEVELS GO UP
SOMETHING IN THE MIX. >> GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE.
HE CAN SEE THAT. >> MORE SERVICE, LESS MONEY.
OKAY. I KNEW I HAD READ IT SOMEWHERE.
IT JUST DIDN'T QUITE CATCH. I DON'T REALLY THINK CANDIDLY, IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT.
EXPANDED SERVICE, TIME-WISE, GEOGRAPHICALLY,-- I'M A LITTLE SLOW. IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY.
40% LESS IN COST TO THE CITY. >> YUP.
WOULD YOU? LET'S GET IT GOING.
>> HOW ABOUT THE FLEET? TALK TO ME ABOUT THE FLEET.
HOW IS THE FLEET DOING? WITH ITS, I GUESS, MAINTENANCE AND RELIABILITY, ET CETERA, ET CETERA?
>> YES. THE FLEET HAS BEEN PERFORMING WELL. I THINK WE HAD ONE VEHICLE THAT WENT DOWN ONE WEEKEND. BUT WE HAVE A BACKUP VEHICLE HERE. THAT TOOK IT INTO SERVICE.
IT WAS SOMETHING WITH ONE OF THE TIRES.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE HUBS. OTHER THAN THAT, IT HAS BEEN PRETTY SMOOTH. AND AGAIN, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT OPERATING 7 DAYS A WEEK, IT IS A LOT LESS WEAR AND TEAR ON OUR TYPICAL SERVICES THERE. WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD MANY
SO WITH THE THREE-YEAR TYPE OF COMMITMENT, WE DID A ONE-YEAR DEAL. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
THAT IS EASY. RIGHT? WE HAVE SOME NEW FLEET. NEW VEHICLES.
WITH THREE MORE YEARS ADDED TO THAT, IS IT THE SAME FLEET?
DO YOU ADD MORE CARS? >> THE SAME FLEET.
SAME AMOUNT OF VEHICLES. OBVIOUSLY, UNLESS WE SEE THE DEMAND GO TO A LEVEL WHERE WE COULD COME BACK TO AND SAY HEY, DEMAND IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER NOW.
IT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION FROM YUR END.
WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT DATA.
RIGHT NOW, IT IS PERFORMING PRETTY HEALTHY WITH THE FOUR
VEHICLES. >> WHAT IS THE TYPICAL WAIT ON A LARGER CITY, LARGER DEMOGRAPHIC? YOU KNOW, BIGGER TERRITORY?
>> IT IS A LOADED QUESTION. BECAUSE EVERY CITY HAS DIFFERENT GOALS. RIGHT?
>> GIVE US THE HIGHEST ONE. >> I'LL GIVE YOU THIS.
OUR LARGEST SERVICE AREA IN TERMS OF FLEET, OKAY.
THE CITY OF AVENTURA. NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS ARE
FAMILIAR WITH IT. >> BIG SHOPPING.
>> ABOUT 3.5 TO 4 SQUARE MILES. DENSELY PACKED THERE.
AND ANOTHER CHALLENGE THERE IS THAT A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THROUGH GATES. GETTING IN AND OUT OF GATES ADDS TIME. A LOT OF SENIORS THERE.
THAT IS LIKE A VERY SENIOR-DRIVEN SERVICE AS WELL.
THEY HAVE A HUGE SENIOR POPULATION.
THEY HAVE TEN VEHICLES IN THEIR FLEET.
AND THEIR WAIT TYPE IS 35 MINUTES.
THEY KEEP ADDING MORE VEHICLES. AGAIN, THEY ARE DOING 15,000, 16,000 PASSENGERS A MONTH. IT KEEPS GOING UP THERE.
AGAIN, IT IS-- EVERY CITY HAS DIFFERENT GOALS AND OBJECTIVES
ON USING THE SERVICE. >> THAT MAKES SENSE.
I APPRECIATE THE INFO. IT IS GOOD TO KNOW.
YOU HAVE TO PLAN IT. TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.
>> CORRECT. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO START SMALL LIKE YOU GUYS DID AND THEN BUILD FROM THERE.
>> DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION IN THE 7 GABLES HOUSE?
>> THE TOURIST HUB. THE TOURIST BUILDING.
IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE MANATEE CENTER.
THAT IS WHERE TOURISTS GO TO -- >> LIKE RIGHT IN HERE.
I DON'T HAVE THAT SPECIFICALLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I CAN PULL THAT FOR YOU WHEN I GET BACK TO A COMPUTER.
>> WELL, I'M SUGGESTING IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN THERE, THAT CHAMBER-- YEAH. THE CHAMBER RUNS THAT.
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I'M PRETTY SURE YOU SHOULD HAVE, SO YEAH, THAT IS GREAT.ANYTHING ELSE? SO GREAT REPORT.
I WISH ALL OF THE REPORTS TO THE FPRA WERE THIS GOOD.
COME BACK AGAIN. (LAUGHTER) DO YOU NEED ANY
DIRECTION, MR. MIMMS? >> ABSOLUTELY.
SO WHEN YOU ALL GAVE US THIS DIRECTIVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PILOT PROGRAM, YOU WERE GING TO GIVE US-- WE WERE GOING TO RECEIVE A REPORT FROM JASON AND HIS TEAM AFTER THE FIRST SIX MONTHS. AND THINK YOU ALL WOULD TELL US IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS TYPE INITIATIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. NOW, WE CANNOT AUTOMATICALLY SAY JASON AND FREEBEE ARE GOING TO BE THE VENDOR.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR THIS TYPE OF AMENITY, TRANSPORTATION AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITH WITHIN OUR CITY, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE
THAT FEEDBACK FROM YOU TODAY. >> SO WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED OR ST. LUCIE COUNTY HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THE GRANT.
AND WE HAVE SOME INDICATION THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO SHARE.
AGAIN, WE HAD A PILOT PROGRAM. WE DO NOT HAVE A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH FREEBEE. IF YOU ALL SAY YES, WE WANT THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEN WE WILL INITIATE THE RFP PROCESS AND MOVE FORWARD WITH SOLICITING A VENDOR THAT CAN PROVIDE THIS
TYPE OF SERVICE. >> THAT IS REQUIRED LEGALLY?
>> YES. >> WE HAVE TO DO THAT LEGALLY?
>> YES, MA'AM. >> I WOULD SAY YES.
>> DUDE, I'M JUST LIKE YOU. >> GIVE ME A BREAK.
(LAUGHTER) IT WOULD SEEM AS THOUGH WE COULD EXTEND THE SERVICE CONTRACT, BUT I WON'T GO DOWN THAT PATH.
YOU ARE SAYING THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, THEN THAT IS WHAT WE
NEED TO DO. >> IT IS OUR OWN RULE, THOUGH, RIGHT? IF IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE RULE AND CHANGE IT AT SOME TIME IN THE FUTURE, THAT IS POSSIBLE.
>> IT IS. >> COMMISSIONER, SEND IT DOWN.
>> MADAM MAYOR -- >> I'M LISTENING AND TAKING IN
ALL THE GREAT INFORMATION. >> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING THE PURCHASING CODE AS WELL AS THE PURCHASING POLICY MANUAL, SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.
I WILL THROW THAT TO MR. MIMMS. >> THANKS.
>> AS OF TODAY, THAT IS THE RULE, YES.
>> AS OF TODAY, THOSE ARE OUR RULES.
>> THAT IS A VERY FRUSTRATING SCENARIO WHEN YOU GET AN EXISTING VENDOR AND YOU ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND AND EXTEND SERVICES, THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.
THAT IS A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY.
I GET IT. >> WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT.
WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE RULES. >> YES.
>> WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHATEVER THE NEW RULES ARE.
>> YES. >> A QUICK QUESTION, MR. MIMMS. WHEN DOES THE ACTUAL CURRENT PILOT END?
>> I THINK IT IS IN FEBRUARY. >> JANUARY OR FEBRUARY.
>> YOU STARTED SPRING BREAK. >> YOU HAVE SOME TIME TO WORK
THROUGH AND FIGURE IT OUT. >> YES.
YES. >> THE PILOT ENDS IN FEBRUARY.
>> OKAY. A 12-MONTH ACTUAL PILOT THAT WE
ARE DOING THIS ON. >> YES, SIR.
I'M CLEAR. >> SO I THINK WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW IS ARE WE INTERESTED IN PURSUING THIS AND PARTICIPATING IN THE GRANT. I WOULD SAY I WOULD.
I'M INTERESTED IN INCREASED HOURS AND INCREASED TERRITORY, BUT I WOULD NEED TO HAVE-- WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT IS AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT.
I MEAN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY RIGHT TODAY WHAT THAT WOULD BE.
UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING IN THEIR MIND ALREADY.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THE WHOLE TEAM HAS TO COME BACK WITH ON THAT. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME
DETAILED-- ON THAT. >> YOU MEAN HOURS AND TERRITORY.
>> DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA TODAY? >> OH, YEAH.
I'LL WAIT TO HEAR. >> AS FAR SOUTH AS MY HOUSE.
>> WE HAVE TO INCLUDE COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.
(LAUGHTER) WELL, MAYBE I COULD ASK YOU.
EVERYBODY IS LOOK AT EVERYBODY. IN OTHER AREAS, WHEN THEY HAVE DECIDED TO INCREASE HOURS AND INCREASE TERRITORY, IS THERE A SCIENCE? IS THERE A WAY TO GO ABOUT DOING
THAT? >> THE FIRST PART OF THAT IS IDENTIFYING WHAT ARE THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES.
RIGHT? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH? THAT IS ALWAYS THE KIND OF PINNACLE. THEN FROM THERE, IT IS LOOKING AT, ALL RIGHT, HOW DO WE MASSAGE THE HOURS, THE SERVICE AREA AND THE ZONE TO MEET THOSE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES? WE DO A LOT IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GIVING THEM BACK TO, YOU KNOW, STAFF, AND COMMISSION AND HAVING YOU GUYS LOOK AT IT AND SAY ALL RIGHT, TWEAK THIS, TWEAK THAT. THE FIRST THING IS IDENTIFYING THOSE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. THAT IS NUMBER ONE.
>> OUR GOAL AND OBJECTIVE FOR THIS PILOT PROGRAM.
FROM MY MEMORY. WAS TO REDUCE THE PARKING STRAINS FOR DOWNTOWN. RIGHT? AND ALSO INCREASE BUSINESS FOR DOWNTOWN.
BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO WORK AND GET THEM
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HOME. I DON'T THINK.I MEAN, IF THAT HAPPENED, THAT WAS NOT THE MAIN GOAL.
>> WELL, MAD MA'AM MAYOR, TRANSPORTATION IS ALWAYS AN IMPEDIMENT TO SELF-SUSTAINABILITY.
FOR THOSE THAT ARE LESS FORTUNATE AND DO NOT HAVE THAT TYPE OF DISPOSABLE INCOME. TRANSPORTATION NEEDS ARE ALWAYS A PRIORITY. HOWEVER, FOR THE FPRA, THIS WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS NETWORKING, AND PARTIALLY TRANSPORTATION TYPE INITIATIVE. DEFINITELY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I DON'T THINK WE WERE PRIMARILY THINKING OF THE 9:00 TO 5:00 WORKING PERSON. WE WEREN'T THINKING OF.
THAT WE WERE THINKING PRIM PRIMARILY-- NOT PRIMARILY.
>> NO, WE WEREN'T. I THINK THIS PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY. ESPECIALLY WITH THE GRANT WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY TO CONNECT THAT GAP THAT IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.
MAYBE THIS IS THE GET THEM TO THE LARGER NETWORK THE GET THEM TO THE WEST CORRIDORS OR SOUTHERN CORRIDOR THAT IS WE NEED TO. THAT PRESENTS A TREMENDOUS--
>> THAT IS WHERE I WAS GOING. THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL GOAL
AS WE GO FORWARD PERHAPS. >> YOU ARE RIGHT.
>> OKAY. >> THAT TIES BACK INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. YOU KNOW? BEING ABLE TO HELP BUSINESS THAT IS HAVE WORKERS IN THE AREA
>> GET THEM TO THEIR JOBS. SOMETIMES THAT IS HARD TO DO.
IT ALL TIES BACK TO THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
>> WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRANSPORTATION-CHALLENGED.
>> CORRECT. >> TO GO TO WORK AND TRANSPORTATION-CHALLENGED IN TERMS OF AGE OR INFIRMITY.
>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WE HAVE THOSE KIND OF
CHALLENGES. >> MADAM KCH MAYOR, TO BUILD ON THAT, TOO, WE WILL WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT ST. LUCIE COUNTY TRANSIT TO DEFINE. THAT I KNOW THEY HAVE THE HIGH ROW-TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES. IN ADDITION TO THIS BEING A MIKE ROW-TRANSIT. RIGHT?
>> RIGHT. >> THEY HAVE A PROGRAM ESTABLISHED OR LEAST IN PLAY. SO WHILE WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THEM, WE CAN JUST SEE HOW WE MOLD AND MEND THIS TO
I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IT, WHEN WE MADE THIS DECISION, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. HOWEVER WE ACCOMPLISH THAT AND WHATEVER THE BI-PRODUCTS OF THAT BECAME, AND WHATEVER SPUN OFF OF
THAT IS ALL POSITIVE. >> RIGHT.
>> WHICH WE HAVE HEARD TODAY. >> RIGHT.
RIGHT. MR. MIMMS, DO YOU NEED MORE?
(LAUGHTER). >> I WILL TELL YOU WHAT.
HOW ABOUT WE DRAFT OUR DOCUMENT? WE WILL PRESENT IT TO YOU ALL WITH THE LANGUAGE, THE SOLICITATION LANGUAGE.
YOU APPROVE THE LANGUAGE. THEN WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT OF THIS OPPORTUNITY.
BASED ON THE REPORT THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED, BASED ON THE INTEREST OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY, I THINK WE HAVE A WINNING PROGRAM.
I THINK IT HAS BEEN WELL-RECEIVED BY OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK IT BENEFITS OUR CITY TREMENDOUSLY.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION, WE SHALL BEGIN WITH THAT
PROCESS. >> IN THAT RFP, WILL YOU HAVE
SUGGESTED TIMES AND TERRITORIES? >> ABSOLUTELY.
YES, MA'AM. >> WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT?
>> ALL RIGHTY. >> THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> OKAY.
[b. Award RFP 2023-037 for the General Contractor Services for the Old St. Anastasia Exterior Restoration Project and Authorize Staff to Enter into Negotiations with the Highest Ranked Respondent, Innovative Masonry Restoration LLC.]
NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE AWARD OF RFP2023-037 FOR THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR SERVICES FOR THE OLD ANASTASIA EXTERIOR RESTORATION PROJECT AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO ENTHER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE HIGHEST-RANKED RESPONDENT,INNOVATED MASONRY RESTORATION. >> MR. MIMMS?
>> YES, MA'AM. MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THEBOARD, WE HAVE WITH THAT US OUR REDEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST, MS. MARSHA COMMOND. SHE WILL GIVE US THE OVERVIEW OF THE RFP PROCESS FOR OUR HISTORIC BUILDING.
>> YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. THANK YOU, MR. MIMMS. YOU ARE DOING A BETTER JOB EVERY TIME YOU SAY MY LAST NAME.
I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. SO AGAIN, FOR THE RECORD, MARSHA COMMOND, REDEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST WITH THE FPRA.
THIS EVENING, I HAVE THE PLEASURE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE UPDATE ON THIS VERY SPECIAL PROJECT.
I KNOW IT IS LONG-AWAITED. NOW WE HAVE GOTTEN TO THIS PO POINT. I THINK THIS IS A CRITICAL JUDGE CLUR FOR US IF-- JUNCTURE FOR US ON THIS REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
SO TODAY WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS JUST THE RESULTS OF OUR REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR THE EXTERIOR RESTORATION OF THE OLD ST. ANASTASIA BUILDING. NOW, INITIALLY, WHEN WE THOUGHT TO IMPLEMENT THIS PROJECT, WE HAD THE ACCESSIBILITY FEATURE INVOLVED IN IT. AFTER STAFF KIND OF DID SOME DELIBERATION AND THOUGHT THROUGH THIS, WE BELIEVE THAT WE PROBABLY PUT IN THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF DETERMINE THE USE OF THIS FACILITY BEFORE WE DETERMINE MAYBE WHERE ACCESSIBILITY WOULD BE NECESSARY ON THE FACILITY. AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THAT IS FOR LATER DISCUSSION.
MAYBE THIS EVENING. NONETHELESS, WE ARE JUST FOCUSED
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ON THE EXTERIOR RESTORATION OF THE FACILITY.SO JUST TO BRING US BACK A LITTLE BIT, OUR PROJECT BUDGET FOR THIS ASSIGNMENT, IS $500,000.
WHICH WE HAVE BEEN GRACIOUSLY AWARDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. OUR GOALS FOR THIS PROJECT IS TO ENHANCE AND DEVELOP THE PEACOCKS ARTS DISTRICT WHERE THE BUILDING IS LOCATED AND THEN ALSO TO CELEBRATE AND SUPPORT THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION WITHIN THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA.
ULTIMATELY, WE ARE TRYING TO BRING THIS BUILDING BACK TO ITS FORMER GLORY. CURRENTLY, AS THAT FACILITY SITS, IT IS CURRENTLY NOT IN THE BEST CONDITION.
WE KNOW THAT BY GIVING IT THE FACE-LIFT THAT IT NEEDS, HOPEFULLY, IT CAN IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS AND THE BEAUTY OF OUR COMMUNITY. YOU SEE HERE A HISTORIC PHOTO OF THE FACILITY BACK IN-- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TIME THE PHOTO WAS TAKEN. NONETHELESS, IT WAS BUILT IN 1914. WE KNOW WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT IS OVER A HUNDRED YEARS OLD. JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROCESS GETTING TO THIS POINT, WE ISSUED AN RFP BACK IN LATE APRIL. AND IT WAS OUT FOR ABOUT 30 DAYS. DURING THAT TIME, WE DID A SITE VISIT. AT THAT SITE VISIT, WE HAD A FEW ENTITIES THAT ARRIVED. AND HAD A CHANCE TO INSPECT THAT BUILDING. I WOULD SAY PERHAPS WE COULD HAVE HAD UP TO A DOZEN PEOPLE. MAYBE FIVE OR SIX COMPANIES REPRESENTED. AND AFTER THE CLOSE OF THE RFP, WE RECEIVED ONE SUBMISSION. NOW, GRANTED, WE WERE A BIT SURPRISED BY. THAT NONETHELESS, WE DID HEAR FROM THE VISITORS AT THE SITE THAT THERE WERE A FEW CONCERNS, PARTICULARLY IN TERMS OF US HAVING SUCH A LOW RESPONSE.
AND ONE OF WHICH WAS THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE SPECIALTY IN WORKING ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS. WE KNOW THAT HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS ARE VERY UNIQUE.
AND THEY HAVE A SET OF REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE OFTEN DIFFERENT FROM NEWER BUILDINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT WAS ONE THING. THE OTHER WAS UNDERSTANDING THE CONDITION OF THAT FACILITY BEING THE AGE THAT IT IS AT.
BUT NONETHELESS, WE DID RECEIVE A SUBMITTAL.
SO I'M UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY CERTAINLY WERE NOT INTIMIDATED BY THIS OPPORTUNITY. AND I'LL KIND OF SPEAK A BIT MORE ABOUT THIS RESPONDENT. BUT STAFF DID EVALUATE THAT SUBMITTAL. AND THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING THIS EVENING. WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE FACILITY LOOKS LIKE. NONETHELESS, THIS IS THE IMAGE THAT I PERSONALLY TOOK WHEN I WENT OUT THERE.
WE KNOW THAT IT IS A NEED-- WE KNOW THAT IT IS IN NEED OF REPAIR. IT COULD USE A BIT OF CLEANING.
WE KNOW MAYBE WHERE THERE IS CRACKS, WHERE THERE IS DISREPAIR, THOSE AREAS CERTAINLY ARE IN NEED OF SOME UPGRADE OR ENHANCEMENT. NOW, ABOUT THE RESPONDENT TO THIS RFP, THEIR NAME IS INNOVATIVE MASONRY RESTORATION LLC. THEY HAVE A CORPORATE OFFICE IN MINNEAPOLIS, MINNESOTA WITH A BRANCH IN INGLEWOOD, FLORIDA.
THEY HAVE EXTENSIVE HISTORY SERVING OTHER GROUPS.
PRIMARILY, GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. THEY STATED IN THEIR PROGRAM-- THEY STATED IN THEIR PROPOSAL THAT 75% OF THEIR REVENUE IS DERIVED FROM GOVERNMENT ENTITIES.
THEY SPECIFICALLY SPECIALIZE IN MASONRY RESTORATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROJECTS. SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT THEY INCLUDED WAS INSPECTIONS, CLEANING, REBUILDING, REPAIRING AND ET CETERA. AND LASTLY, THE PROPOSED COST FOR THE PROJECT IS JUST SHY OF THE $500,000.
MOVING ON. I'M JUST GOING TO SHARE A FEW SAMPLES OF WORK THAT THEY PROVIDED TO US.
THEY DID HIGHLIGHT A LOT OF THE WORK THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE IN FLORIDA. THE FIRST IMAGE YOU SEE HERE IS FULL FORWARD BY NORTH MIAMI BEACH.
THEN YOU HAVE THE CITY HALL IN TARPIN SPRINGS.
NEXT YOU HAVE THE WEST MAR TELLO TOWER CITADEL IN KEY WEST.
THE CENTRAL BUSINESS OFFICE IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH.
AND SO THE APPROACH THAT THEY PROPOSED IS GOING TO BE IN TWO PHASES. THEY WILL HAVE A PRERESTORATION PHASE WHICH IS THE PHASE THAT CONSISTS OF ALL THE RESEARCH AND PLANNING THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE.
IN ADDITION, THEY ALSO STATE THEY ARE GOING TO DO A CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT TO LOOK INTO THE INTEGRITY OF THE MATERIALS THAT MAKE UP THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN AFTER THAT IS COMPLETE, THEY WOULD TURN TO THE SECOND PHASE. THE RESTORATION PHASE.
THAT IS WHERE ALL THE ACTUAL WORK TAKES PLACE TO HOPEFULLY, BEGIN RESTORING THAT FACILITY. THERE IS THE EVALUATION BY THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE. THE COMMITTEE CONSISTS OF A BUILDING OFFICIAL, OUR PROJECT MANAGER IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND ALSO OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER.
THEY EVALUATED THE RESPONDENT ON SIX DIFFERENT CRY TEAR YEAH.
THE FIRST IS KEY PERSONNEL, CREDENTIAL AND QUALIFICATIONS.
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PAST PERFORMANCE AND REFERENCES, ABILITY TO MEET PROJECT SCOPE, FORECAST PRELIMINARY DESIGN CONCEPTS, AND LASTLY, PRICE.AND SO THERE WAS A POSSIBLE TOTAL POINTS OF 100.
AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE EVALUATORS RATED THIS RESPONDENT QUITE HIGH WITH THE GRAND TOTAL OF 287 POINTS.
THEREFORE, OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO AWARD THE RFP TO INNOVATIVE MASONRY RESTORATION LLC AND TO APPROVE THE AUTHORIZATION OF STAFF TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE HIGHEST RANKED BIDDER.
AT THIS POINT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> YES.
>> YOU JUST RECOMMENDED AN APPROVAL TO NEGOTIATE.
WHAT ARE WE NEGOTIATING? >> THE PROVIDED PHASES, A COUPLE OF STEPS. THEY PROVIDED A PRICE.
WHAT ARE WE NEGOTIATING? >> WHEN WE ENTER INTO A NEGOTIATION, IT IS TO HOPEFULLY DRAW OUT THE DETAILS.
THEY DID THEIR BEST TO PROVIDE US WITH THE INFORMATION WE ARE ASKING FOR. IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, RIGHT? WE DON'T NECESSARILY HOW SOON THEY WILL START, HOW SOON THEY WILL FINISH. ALL THE OTHER PARTICULARS AS WELL. THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY DRAW THOSE
>> FOR US. >> AND THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS IT LEADS TO MY SECOND QUESTION ABOUT THE PHASING PLAN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE AWARE WHEN WE NEGOTIATE AND PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE PERCENTAGE OF LOADING BETWEEN PHASE ONE WHICH IS MORE OF A SOFT OPPORTUNITY TO DESCRIBE, DEFINE, LOOK AT-- YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, A DESIGN PHASE RATHER THAN THE HARD-CORE WORK PHASE.
MAKE SURE THAT DURING THAT PROCESS, I KNEE IT MAY OR MAY NOT COME BACK HERE. I'M NOT TOO SURE.
EITHER WAY, MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT I CALL FRONT-LOADING. YOU KNOW, AS A COMPANY OR A CONTRACTOR THAT WOULD COME, YOU KNOW, TO FRONT-LOAD TOO MUCH ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE. SO THAT THEY ARE CHECKING TOO MUCH MONEY. BASICALLY, FROM THE CITY IF THE OR THE FRRA. EXCUSE ME.
>> SOMEBODY MIGHT DO THAT. >> IT HAPPENS EVERY DAY.
>> MADAM CHAIR, YOU MIND IF I RESPOND TO THAT?
>> IN RESPONSE, SIR, THIS IS THE FIRST STEP.
FIRST WE GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS.
WE GET THE AWARD. FROM THE AWARD STAFF, THEN NEGOTIATE IT IS CONTRACT. THE CONTRACT GOES THROUGH THE TERMS AND THE CONDITIONS AND THEN THE LEGAL REVIEW.
THEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU FOR EXECUTION.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT HAS BEEN NEGOTIATED PRIOR TO IT
SO THE OTHER PART WAS-- I THINK IN YOUR POINT LINE, YOU HAD REFERENCES? DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? MAYBE 20 POINTS. GIVEN TO PREVIOUS WORKER REFERENCES. PAST PERFORMANCE AND REFERENCE.
>> YES. THE MAXIMUM POINTS FOR THAT.
WERE WE ABLE TO-- THEY PROVIDED THAT INFORMATION? HOW WAS THAT PRESENTED? THAT SPECIFIC --
>> YES. THEY DID PROVIDE A LIST OF REFERENCES AS PART OF THE PROPOSAL.
LIKE, LETTERS THAT WERE SIGNED OFF BY THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES
YEAH. IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THE JENSEN ARCH YEARS AGO.
THAT WAS BUILT IN 1926, I BELIEVE.
THIS ONE IS 1914. IT IS NOT FAR OFF.
YOU KNOW, CONCRETE, CEMENT. IT IS A TRICKY PROJECT.
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY HAD SOME GOOD PROJECTS OF PAST PERFORMANCE.
I'M ENCOURAGED BY THIS. >> THANK YOU.
APPARENTLY, IT IS A SPECIALTY. THAT YOU WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT
>> TO RESTORE OLD BUILDINGS LIKE THAT.
>> ESPECIALLY THIS STYLE. YES.
>> YES. COMMISSIONER GAINES, DID YOU
WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >> I DO.
MADAM CHAIR. GREAT PRESENTATION, AS ALWAYS.
MY QUESTION IS MORE TO OUR BOARD.
I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DRIVE BY AND WE SEE THE OLD BUILDING EVERY DAY IN FORT PIERCE.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THE ORANGE AVENUE CORRIDOR AND IT SITS RIGHT THERE.
BUT WE HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION. WHAT ARE WE REALLY GOING TO DO
WITH THIS BUILDING? >> HERE WE ARE LOOKING TO PAY, YOU KNOW, $5 HUNDRED,000-- 500,000 TO DO THE OUTSIDE.
JUST THE OUTSIDE TO. MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, ARE WE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT PRETTY? BECAUSE IT IS ON THAT ORANGE AVENUE CORRIDOR? OR WHAT ARE WE REALLY TRYING TO DO? TO TRY TO USE IT AS PART OF SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE FOR THE CITY? ARE WE TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, FIX IT UP AND RESTORE IT, WHICH IT NEEDS TO BE RESTORED.
DON'T GET ME WRONG. TO RESTORE IT, I'M JUST TRYING
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TO SEE WHAT OUR GOAL IS HERE. EXCUSE ME.WHAT OUR GOAL IS HERE. BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO SPEND A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO FIX THE OUTSIDE, AND I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME UP BEFORE IN ONE OF THE REPORTS.
WE KNOW THERE ARE SOME STRUCTURAL AND SOME PROBLEMS ON THE INSIDE THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
IF I CAN REMEMBER SOME OTHER REPORTS WHILE WE WERE HERE.
ARE WE GOING TO TURN AROUND AND SPEND ANOTHER WHATEVER TO FIX THE INSIDE WITHOUT A VISION OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THIS PROPERTY? THAT IS MY CONCERN. I MEAN, I PERSONALLY HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHAT A GREAT SITE IF WE COULD FIX IT UP AND PRESERVE IT AND TURN IT INTO, LIKE, ANOTHER VISITOR CENTER OR ANOTHER LITTLE MEETING AREA FOR LOCAL STUFF IN THE COMMUNITY, FOR SOMEONE TO COME TO THIS HISTORIC SITE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. I'M NOT IN THE ENGINEERING WORLD WITH THESE TWO GUYS THAT-- I WANT TO SEE WHAT OUR VISION IS GOING FORWARD. PAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS JUST A PRETTY BUILDING SITTING THERE FROM THE OUTSIDE UNLESS WE JUST ARE GOING TO MARK IT A HISTORICAL SITE IN FORT PIERCE AND PEOPLE CAN JUST DRIVE BY. I SAW YOU LOOKING AT ME, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATIONS FROM US UP HERE.
WHAT IS OUR REAL GOAL WITH THIS PROPERTY?
>> WELL, I'LL ANSWER THIS. WE CAN'T-- WE HAVE TO PRESERVE IT BECAUSE IT IS ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTER.
>> CORRECT. >> SO BEYOND THAT, FOR 20 YEARS, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EVER REALLY FIGURED OUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THIS.
I KNOW THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT IS REALLY USEFUL UNLESS IT
>> AND THAT IS APPARENTLY, THE CONSTRUCTION GUYS CAN ANSWER THIS, BUT THAT IS A BIG EXPENSE. TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THE BUILDING ITSELF IS COMPROMISED NOW OR IF WE ARE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
WHICH ONE IS IT? DO WE KNOW, MARSHA?
>> RIGHT NOW, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY.
>> YUP. >> IN TERMS OF THE INTEGRITY OF IT, THAT IS PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER TYPE OF SERVICE PERHAPS.
>> IS THE INTEGRITY OF IT, IS THAT IN GOOD SHAPE?
>> WELL, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT.
IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THE SERVICE COMPLETED, THAT IS PART OF THEIR RESEARCH.
TO DO THE ASSESSMENT. TO DETERMINE IF IT IS BEYOND A POINT WHERE THEY COULD EVEN RESTORE IT.
HOPEFULLY, IT DOESN'T GET TO THAT POINT.
>> THAT IS ANOTHER QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK.
CAN IT BE RESTORED? I MEAN, THEY GET IN THERE-- THIS IS MY-- OKAY. THIS IS MY FEAR.
I'LL JUST SAY IT. THIS IS MY FEAR.
WE GO IN AND TRY TO-- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IF I SAY THE WRONG TERMS. WE TRY TO MAKE SOME-- MIX SOME CEMENT AND PATCH SOME HOLES. COMMISSIONER, I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING. THIS BUILDING FALLS.
THIS BUILDING FALLS BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO RESTORE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN HAPPEN. I DON'T WANT THOSE EMAILS COMING FROM EVERYBODY. YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE STILL AROUND FORT PIERCE THAT PROBABLY HAVE THAT SAME PICTURE, 1914. AND 1920'S, TO HAVE THAT SAME PICTURE. AND KNOW ABOUT THIS BUILDING.
I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU KIND OF GAVE ME A LITTLE-- YOU SAID THEY ARE GOING TO GO IN AND LOOK AND COME BACK AND TELL US BEFORE WE SPEND THIS MONEY JUST TO MAKE A BUILDING, THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH IT.
>> YES. I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO WHAT THEY SHARED IN THE PROPOSAL. THEY STATED THAT THEY WOULD DO THE ASSESSMENT, AND THEN THEY WILL COME UP WITH A LIST OF DEFICIENCIES BASED UPON THAT ASSESSMENT, AND THEN PRESCRIBE HOW THEY CAN CURE THAT. THOSE FINDINGS WILL BE PRESENTED TO US BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO A DESIGN.
THEN LATER ON, THE WORK. MULTIPLE STEPS.
THE RESEARCH AND THE PLANNING AND THE ASSESSMENTS IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE GOING-- THAT IS PART OF THE
PROTOCOL. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, ARE
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I GOT A FEW COMMENTS. YOU PROBABLY FIGURED.INITIALLY, THANK YOU FOR THE PROPOSAL, BY THE WAY.
VERY COMPREHENSIVE. CHOCK FULL OF INFORMATION.
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, JEREMIAH JOHNSON WAS GOING DOWN A PATH HERE THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE FURTHER.
THEY HAVE GIVEN US A PROPOSAL FOR $498 #,000.
THE FIRST PHASE OF THIS PROPOSAL IS TO GO OUT AND FIND OUT WHAT'S REALLY WRONG. HOW REALISTIC IS THE $498,000 NUMBER? IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE STRUCTURAL AND INTEGRITY ISSUES.
THE BACK WALL IS ABOUT TO COLLAPSE.
THAT NOW BECOMES FANTASY MONEY. IN ANY OPINION.
I HAVEN'T READ THE CONTRACT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LEGALESE SAYS. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE CAPTURED BY A DEFICIENCY AND PROBLEMS THAT THEY ARE GOING TO FIND, A, IN THEIR INITIAL INSPECTION AND B, WHILE WORK IS UNDER WAY, THERE IS GOING TO BE CHANGE ORDERS COMING OUT OF A PRINTING MACHINE. ON THIS PROJECT.
HAVING SAID THAT, I'M NOT TRYING TO DISSUADE US FROM MOVING FORWARD. THE BUILDING IS DECAYING.
IT IS DECAYING, IT IS ACCELERATING, ACTUALLY.
THE MAYOR IS CORRECT THAT THIS BOARD-- THIS BUILDING IS HISTORICALLY PROTECTED. WE HAVE A BIT OF A DIVERGENCE HERE FROM A REAL ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION PERSPECTIVE AND A CITY OWNERSHIP PERSPECTIVE.
I LOOK AT THIS, THE ANALYSIS I LOOK AT THIS IS LITERALLY FROM THE REAL ESTATE SIDE OF THIS. A, YES, WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE BUILDING. B, IF THAT NUMBER, THEN, DRAMATICALLY INCREASES OVER THIS $49 8,000 FIGURE THAT, NEEDS TO COME BACK HERE. IS THAT A SAFE ASSUMPTION, THAT
THAT IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? >> YES.
WE ARE NOT CUTTING THEM A BLANK $500,000 CHECK.
EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN WAN PROCESS.
OBVIOUSLY, IF, YOU KNOW, WE PAY THEM TO BEGIN THE INITIAL PART OF IT IS HOW I WOULD ASSUME WE WOULD DO THIS, AND THEY COME UP WITH A LIST OF DEFICIENCIES OR MAYBE THEY ARE FINDING HEY, WE CANNOT TOUCH THIS BUILDING. THAT MAYBE THAT IS WHERE THE
SERVICE STOPS. >> AND THAT DOVE-TAILS DIRECTLY INTO WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS SAYING, HE IS CONCERNED ABOUT FRONT-END LOADING ON THE C. I KNEW EXACTLY WHERE HE WAS GOING WITH THAT. THAT IS THE PRECISE PROBLEM THAT HE IS GETTING AT. IF THAT IS THE CASE, THERE ARE SOME CHECKS AND BALANCES HERE THAT IT WILL COME BACK FOR FURTHER REVIEW BEFORE ADDITIONAL FUNDING IS EXPENDED.
IN ADDITION, WE GET TO REVIEW THE CONTRACT TO SEE WHAT THAT FRONT-END-LOADING IS. HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, MY CONCERNS ARE IN TIME-OUT UNTIL THAT PART OF THE PROCESS IS DONE. BECAUSE THAT INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE COMING BACK HERE. SECONDARILY, AND I BELIEVE MORE IMPORTANT IS, LOOK, I THINK YOU KNOW WELL ENOUGH NOW THAT I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF LIQUIDATING ASSETS THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT WE CAN DEPLY DEPLOY INTO THE COMMUNITY FOR COMMUNITY USE.
FROM A REAL EL S ESTATE PERSPECTIVE, I DO NOT SEE A COMMUNITY USE FOR THIS BUILDING SHORT OF PUTTING IN NONPROFITS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE THAT CAN'T PAY RENT.
HOW MANY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IS THE CITY GOING TO SPEND TO BRING THE BUILDING ENTIRELY UP TO C CODE? THE ALTERNATIVE THAT I WOULD LOOK AT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD DO THE ASSESSMENT, CORRECT THE EXTERIOR, SHELL OF THE BUILDING SO THAT IT IS STRUCTURALLY SO SOUND, AND VISUALLY ATTRACTIVE, THEN LOOK TO REDEPLOY THIS BUILDING INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. BECAUSE CANDIDLY, WHAT IS GOVERNMENT GOING TO DO WITH THAT STRUCTURE? AND IT IS JUST GOING TO CONTINUE TO DETERIORATE.
IF THIS BUILDING WAS, THEN, PUT OUT FOR SALE FOR BID TO SELL, IT HAS CONTIGUOUS LAND AND ALL OF THAT.
SOMETHING ELSE COULD HAPPEN WITH THAT.
THE BUILDING ITSELF COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE A VALUE TO ARCHITECTURAL FIRMS OR ENGINEERING FIRMS OR GENERAL CONTRACTORS FOR OFFICE SPACE AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE.
THERE IS A ZILLION USES THAT COME INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT COULD TAKE THIS FACILITY AND ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO MAINTAIN IT, MOVING FORWARD, CONTINUE THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, THE NATURE OF THE PROPERTY AND RENOVATE IT.
AND PUT-- GET IT FINALLY BACK ON THE TAX ROLLS BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT THE BUILDING IS BEING MAINTAINED AND UTI UTILIZED, ET CETERA. BECAUSE I DON'T SEE A PUBLIC SECTOR USE FOR THAT BUILDING. I JUST CAN'T ENVISION IT.
I THINK IT IS KIND OF A THREE-PHASE APPROACH.
A, THE DETERMINATION IS MADE IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY, YEAH, WE CAN DO THAT SHELL WORK FOR THE HALF A MILLION.
OKAY, GREAT. THAT IS WISE INVESTMENT ON OUR PART. THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER LIQUIDATING THE ASSET TO REDEPLOY IT TO GET IT FUNCTIONAL IN SOME CAPACITY. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT POTENTIALLY, YOU ARE LOOKING A AT-- TO RENOVATE THAT.
JEREMIAH IS SMILING ALREADY. IT IS GOING TO BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO RENOVATE THAT BUILDING.
AND IT IS GOING TO BE-- IT IS GOING TO BE MASSIVE.
THAT IS WHY I'M THINKING THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR MAY BE BETTER
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SUITED HERE. PLUS NOT ONLY FOR THE INVESTMENT BUT ALSO THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PROPERTY MOVING FORWARD.THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE USED FOR SOMETHING THAT IS PRODUCTIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS MY VISION OF IT.
DRIVING BY IT TWO OR THREE TIMES A DAY.
THINKING WELL, WHAT COULD BE DONE WITH IT.
I DON'T SEE A RE-PURPOSING OF THAT FROM AN INVESTOR STANDPOINT. I SEE IT GOING TO AN END USER.
>> SO J. JOHNSON AND CURTIS JOHNSON BOTH WANT TO TALK.
>> I HAVE SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS, MS. MARSHA, IF YOU CAN. GOING DOWN THE PATH OF THE EVALUATION ASSESSMENT FRONT-END-LOADING IS THE TERM THAT HAS BEEN USED ON THIS CONTRACT.
THERE HAS TO BE A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.
I THINK WHAT HAS POPPED UP IN MY MIND IS BASED ON THAT LINE, WHAT DOES THAT EVALUATION LOOK LIKE AND WHAT DOES THAT COME BACK? I CAN EVALUATE UP TO $300,000 WORTH.
AND THAT IS THE BILL YOU ARE GOING TO GET.
RIGHT? FOR ME EVALUATING THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN HERE.
NOW WE HAVE A BILL. THAT IS A CONCERN OF MINE.
>> THE BILL FOR THE ASSESSMENT. >> THE BILL FOR THE ASSESSMENT.
IT IS A CONCERN OF MINE. YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER.
THAT POPS TO MIND. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN CONTROL
AND AGAIN, I CAN'T REALLY SPEAK FOR THE ENTITY.
I CAN SHARE W WHAT THEY THEY HA SAID IN THE PROPOSAL.
>> OKAY, YES. >> THEY DID MENTION SPECIFICS ON WHAT THE EVALUATION LOOKS LIKE. IT IS PRIMARILY VISUAL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S TYPICALLY THE PROCESS THAT IS DONE WITH ANY ENGINEERING FIRM. WHEN THEY DO A CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT. I HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO A GROUP OF ENGINEERS. I WILL SAY THAT IT IS PRIMARILY VISUAL. THEY TAKE PHOTOS.
THEY ARE NOT TAKING PIECES OF THE BUILDING AND PUTTING IT INTO A LAB OR ANYTHING. IT IS TAKING PHOTOS, VISUAL INSPECTIONS, AND THEN COMING UP WITH A SET OF FINDINGS NOW.
JUST ON MY RESEARCH, ON A CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT ALONE,
THAT CAN BE UP TOWARDS $30,000. >> YOU SAID $30,000.
>> UP WARDS TO. IT COULD BE MORE.
IT COULD BE A LITTLE LESS. $20,000 TO $0,000, BASED ON MY
THANK YOU. THAT THAT KIND OF HELPS.
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THESE TYPES OF ASSESSMENTS ARE.
IT WOULD BE SOUND THAT, YOU KNOW-- I APPRECIATE YOUR RESEARCH. THAT HELPS ME A LOT.
RIGHT? I THINK IT HELPS THE COMMISSION.
I THINK THE OTHER THING, TOO, IS THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A HISTORICAL SITE THAT WE HAVE DESIGNATED, RIGHT? WELL, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT-- HAVE-- THE HISTORICAL GRANTS IF ARE OUT THERE FOR THE PRESERVATION OF.
THIS I'M ASSUMING THAT IS WHERE WE WERE GOING WITH.
THIS AND NOT TAKING FUNDS OUT OF THE FPRA, CRA TO DO THIS RESTORATION. HELP WITH UNDERSTANDING THAT.
>> FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE IS $500,000 CURRENTLY BUDGETED WITHIN OUR OWN COFFERS FOR THE RESTORATION.
>> OKAY. >> IF WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, THEN I THINK STAFF IS MORE THAN ABLE TO WORK WITH ME-- MAYBE OUR GRANTS DIVISION TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP FUND FURTHER DEVELOPMENT FOR THAT SITE AND THE VACANT PARCELS AROUND IT PERHAPS. BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING IS DETERMINED UPON, AGAIN, THE USE OF THIS FACILITY.
I HEAR THAT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THAT. AND THE BUDGETING THAT IS THERE FOR IT. YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER GAINES RAISED A VALID POINT. RIGHT? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
I GET IT. WE ARE KIND OF IN A QUAGMIRE.
I GUESS WHEN WE DESIGNATE A HISTORICAL SITE, WE HAVE TAKEN ON THE ONUS AND RESPONSIBILITY OF PRESERVING THAT.
RIGHT? THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A PENALTY PHASE IF WE DON'T DO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
I NEED STAFF TO HELP ME. TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS
LIKE. >> NOBODY ON THIS DAIS DID THAT.
THIS WAS LONG BEFORE ANY OF US. >> WE ARE LEFT HOLDING THE BAG.
>> EXACTLY. >> IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE PENALTIES ARE THAT CAN BE IMPOSED AGAINST US AS A CITY BECAUSE WE NEED TO ALSO WEIGH THAT.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO FACTOR IN. IF I'M CLEAR AND UNDERSTANDING THAT, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST TELLING YOU I DON'T.
I THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT. BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY OF FLORIDA COMING KNOCKING ON OUR DOOR
RIGHT NOW, SAYING YOU GUYS -- >> IT IS ON THE NATIONAL
WHATEVER IT IS. WE DON'T WANT THEM EITHER.
RIGHT? >> THEY FLY IN FROM WASHINGTON.
>> I DON'T WANT NONE OF THAT. >> I'M WITH YOU.
>> YES. WE HAVE ENOUGH CHALLENGES.
THAT POPPED IN MY MIND. I THOUGHT ABOUT.
THAT HAVE WE PURSUED THE GRANTS TO HELP WITH THAT UP FRONT? YES, WE HAVE BUDGET. IT IS BETTER DIGESTED TO ME IF WE DO THAT. RIGHT? THEN ALSO WHAT IS THE RAMIFICATION OF US-- THIS THING DELAYING AND DELAYING AND NOT GETTING DONE.
>> OKAY. LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REAL QUICK. RIGHT?
WE HAVE UTILIZED GRANTS TO HELP WITH THE SECURING AND ENVELOPE
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>> YOU MAY NOT EVEN REMEMBER, BUT WE HAD A WIN MITIGATION GRANT. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT YOU WERE AROUND. MAYBE.
WE DID A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS. WE DID THE OLD ST. AN SAY THE
SHAVMENT WE DID CITY HALL. >> WE TRIED TO.
>> THE OLD CITY HALL. BECAUSE OF THE MANNER OF THE CONSTRUCTION. OF OLD CITY HALL.
>> RIGHT. >> WE HAVE USED GRANTS.
NOW, YOU TALK ABOUT THE RAMIFICATIONS AND THE PUNISHMENT FOR NOT, YOU KNOW, RESTORING A BUILDING.
BASICALLY, WE ARE THE REGULATORY AGENCY FOR THE CONDITION OF ALL PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.
SO IF WE ARE NOT MAINTAINING OUR FACILITY, IN A DECENT MANNER, THEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WILL THEN PUNISH THE FPRA.
>> OKAY. >> ISN'T THAT WHAT MY QUESTION WAS? IT IS A NATIONAL HISTORIC SITE.
>> ONE THING YOU HAVE TO REALIZE.
THERE IS A CERTAIN CODE THAT WE MUST MAINTAIN ALL OF OUR FACILITIES. AND IF WE DO NOT, THEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WILL IMPOSE, YOU KNOW, PUNISHMENT AGAINST THE
FPRA. >> THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WILL COME AFTER US. THE CODE.
>> OKAY. >> SO WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF MAINTAINING OUR PROPERTIES. IN A MINIMUM STANDARD.
THAT IS THE FIRST GROUP YOU SHOULD WORRY ABOUT.
THAT GROUP RIGHT THERE. >> OKAY, RIGHT.
>> WE CAN WORRY ABOUT THE STATE OF THE NATION LATER.
RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO MIKE SURE THAT WE ARE MAINTAINING OUR OWN
STANDARDS. >> I WANT TO DO BOTH, MR. MIMMS. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE FROM THE-- FROM TALLAHASSEE OR D.C. COMING DOWN HERE AND SAYING WE HAVE AN ISSUE AND WE ARE ON THE FRONT PAGE.
THAT IS THE LAST THING I WANT. >> I GET IT.
I GET IT. THE LAST THING I WAS GOING TO SAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. THIS WAS THE INITIAL PHASE OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO PURSUANT TO THE END AND DETERMINATION OF THE LEASE WITH THE LINDSAY SCHOOL OF THE ARTS.
WE ARE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE PROGRAM THAT WAS APPROVED BY
>> YOU CALLING CODE ENFORCEMENT? >> YES, I WILL.
>> J. JOHNSON. >> YOU KNOW, THIS IS GREAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE T THIS HAS BN TALKED ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME.
>> RIGHT. WE ARE IN THE BUDGETING PHASE OF LITERALLY THE BONES AND THE EXOSKELETON.
TO ME, IT IS MORE THAN AESTHETICS.
IT IS MORE THAN BEAUTIFICATION. BECAUSE IT IS.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN YOU GET BACK THIS REPORT, IT IS GOING TO BE-- THERE IS GOING TO BE A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THERE THAT IS MORE THAN JUST BEAUTIFICATION.
THERE IS GOING TO BE A TON OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE EXOSKELETON. I'M CALLING IT THAT BECAUSE THERE IS STRUCTURAL PIECES AND COMPONENTS THAT WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
ALL OF THIS GOES TOGETHER. AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT NEGATING ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT TODAY.
BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE PROCESS OF DOING SOMETHING WITH THIS STRUCTURE.
THIS IS-- IT IS JUST LIKE WHEN WE DID THE WIND MITIGATION.
WE DID ROOF. THE IMPACT GLASS.
WE ARE AT THAT NEXT STEP. WHAT YEAR DID THAT HAPPEN?
'06? >> THE ROOF WAS THE FIRST THING.
A LONG TIME AGO. 2011 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT IS YOUNG. I'M ENCOURAGED BY THAT.
>> DON'T TAKE THAT TO THE BANK. >> IT IS OKAY.
>> IT WAS A FEW YEARS AFTER THE '04 EVENT.
THAT IS RIGHT. >> SO THIS IS A GOOD THING.
THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION. I HAVE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
WE HAVE, I THINK, OVER TWO ACRES ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
AND THERE WAS ONE TIME THAT NICK AND I HAVE ACTUALLY-- I DON'T KNOW IF WE DID A CONFERENCE CALL, NICK OR IF WE WENT INDEPENDENTLY. I CAN'T REMEMBER NOW.
TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORICAL MUSEUM THAT IS ON SOUTH HUDSON ISLAND AND MAYBE PARTNERING WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY TO BECOME A HISTORY CENTER. MAKE THIS A DESTINATION POINT FOR MANY, MANY FOLKS, MAYBE IT GOES BACK INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. WE HAVE HAD PRESENTATIONS LOCALL ARCHITECTS, WHETHER THEY ARE MAYBE SOUTH FLORIDA ARCHITECTS.
REG CAME AND SPOKE. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT DID THE LINCOLN THEATER: MR. GONZALEZ, RIGHT? HE DOES SOME PHENOMENAL WORK. AS AN EXAMPLE.
WITH THESE HISTORIC BUILDINGS. THE EARLY 1900S.
TAKING ALL THIS INFORMATION IN, BEING A SPONGE, TRYING TO THEN PLAN AHEAD. RIGHT? THIS IS PHASE, STEP ONE. OF DOING THAT.
I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT. I MENTIONED THE INITIAL-- WE WILL CALL IT THE DESIGN EVALUATION PHASE THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, COMMISSIONER. GOOD RESEARCH ON THE PRICING.
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BECAUSE THAT IS THERE. I'M GOING TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO DEEPER THAN THAT. IT IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 50% MORE THAN THAT NUMBER TO DO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER DIVE INTO THE EXOSKELETON OF THE BUILDING.WE REALLY KNOW THAT WHEN WE DO THE RENOVATION AND WE, YOU KNOW, PUT ALL THE PIECES BACK TOG TOGETHER, SEAL IT UP, THAT WE ARE IN A GOOD SPOT. SO THAT IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE-- IT IS WORTH EVERY DOLLAR TO DO IT. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS-- THIS PART OF FORT PIERCE, WE TRAVEL DOWN THAT ROAD QUITE OFTEN. WE EXPECT OUR NEIGHBORS TO DO THE EXACT SAME THING. OUR NEIGHBORS EXPECT US TO DO THE SAME THING. AS FAR AS MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY. I THINK-- I MEAN, GO NEGOTIATE.
GET A GOOD PRICE. LET'S DO IT.
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO NEGOTIATION, YOU WILL BRING IT BACK TO THIS BOARD SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE LAYOUT OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND MAYBE SOME PRICES AS TO WHAT THIS EXOSKELETON ANALYSIS MAY ENCOMPASS AND THE GENERAL PRICING.
RIGHT? I WANT TO FEEL GOOD THAT THAT WILL COME BACK HERE AND WE CAN HAVE THAT ONCE YOU DO YOUR
NEGOTIATION, SIR. >> THAT IS CORRECT.
>> OKAY. >> SIR, TODAY YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ON THAT NEGOTIATION.
WE HAVE A RECOMMENDATION TO AUTHORIZE STAFF TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS. IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS FOR STAFF, NOW IS
THE TIME. >> A SUGGESTION ON THAT POINT.
MIGHT BE THAT-- FIRST OFF, IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ANALYZE THE DEFICIENCIES AND PROTECT THE EXTERIOR TO ELIMINATE FURTHER DAMAGE BEING DONE.
THAT IS A GIVEN. WE CANNOT LEAVE IT IN THE CONDITION THAT IT IS IN. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU MAKE AN EXCELLENT POINT.
I THINK EVERYBODY HAS BROUGHT IT UP HERE RELATIVE TO THIS UP-FRONT ANALYTICAL PORTION OF THE PROCESS.
$30,000 IS ON THE LOW END. I'M AGREEING WITH COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON ON. THAT ARE YOU ASKING US TO GIVE SOME TYPE OF A LIMIT AS TO WHAT THAT MIGHT BE BEFORE IT HAS TO COME BACK HERE? I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THIS EITHER. I WANT THIS IN THE PIPELINE F AND GOING. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON RACES A VALID POINT. IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY WELL IF THE INSPECTION COST $498,000, YOU UNDERSTAND THE POINT.
I'M BEING FACETIOUS. THE POINT WAS WELL-TAKEN, COMMISSIONER. RELATIVE TO WHAT THE REPAIR ASPECTS ARE GOING TO COST, THAT ANALYSIS COST HAS TO BE X.
THEN THEY ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, IT IS NOT THE BALANCE OF THE REMAINING. LET'S SAY IT COST $50,000 OR $60,000 WHICH IS MORE REALISTI. THEY MIGHT COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, TO GET THROUGH THAT SECOND PHASE IS GOING TO COST $750,000.
THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW. THE ANALYTICAL PHASE IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DON'T UNDERSELL IT.
FROM A PRICE POINT. WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE STUDY.
THEN I'M COMING BACK AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AFTER THAT.
THAT IS WHERE I WOULD HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL WITH.
I DON'T WANT TO DELAY. I WANT THIS IN THE PIPELINE.
I WANT YOUR TEAM READY TO SAY OKAY, WE CAN GO.
HOW DO WE GET TO THAT POINT? >> WELL, SIR, A LOT OF TIMES, WHEN WE DO SCOPES-- LET'S SAY A SCOPE OF SERVICES.
RIGHT? YOU WOULD HAVE CERTAIN TASKS.
SOMETIMES IN THOSE INITIAL TASKS, YOU DO YOUR INITIAL RESEARCH. YOUR DUE DILIGENCE.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU. THEN FROM THERE, AS MARSHA WAS SAYING, YOU CAN THEN DETERMINE A STRATEGY FOR DESIGN.
AND THEN THE NEXT TASK WOULD BE THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE STRATEGY. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE COULD FORM LATE A CONTRACT WITH WHICH WE WOULD HAVE CERTAIN TALINGS, TASKS WITHIN THOSE SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR THE RESTORATION OF THE EXTERIOR, AND WE COULD HAVE A PHASED APPROACH.
ONCE THAT INITIAL IT IS AK IS COMPLETE, WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL APPROVAL OF THE REMAINDER OF THE CONTRACT SERVICES. TO INCLUDE CONSTRUCTION.
>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THAT, TO ME, ADDRESS IT IS CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED. BOXES IN THOSE NUMBERS.
THE ANALYTICAL WORK IS PRICED AT X.
SUBSEQUENTLY, THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE GOING TO BE Y.
THAT GIVES YOU ALL THE ANSWERS THAT YOU NEED.
I THINK I'M VERY CONFIDENT-- THAT DOESN'T DELAY THIS.
>> A QUICK CLARIFICATION. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING.
JUST SO I'M UNDERSTANDING. WE ARE NOW TELLING STAFF TO TELL THE CONTRACTORS THAT THE REPORT FOR THE EXOSKELETON SINCE THAT
IS THE WORD WE ARE USING -- >> I'M USING THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPELL IT. (LAUGHTER).
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I UNDERSTOOD-- WHEN YOU SAID EXOSKELETON --
>> IT IS A BUG. AN INVERT BRAIT.
YES. >> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, ARE WE SENDING THE STAFF TO GO BACK AND SAY PHASE ONE CAN ONLY COST X, OR ARE WE SAYING COME BACK AND TELL US WHAT PHASE ONE WILL
COST? >> DIRECTION I WOULD GO IS THAT I DON'T WANT TO TIE ANYBODY'S HANDS ON THE EXTENT OF WHAT THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. TELL US WHAT PHASE ONE IS GOING
I'M GOOD. I WANT THAT CLARIFICATION.
I DON'T WANT TO HAMPER A PROFESSIONAL OR SOMEONE THAT HAS DONE THIS WORK THAT I CAN'T DO. FROM THE PICTURES I SAW, FROM THE PICTURES I SAW, TO GO IN AND JUST BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING
>> AND THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE US $50,000 OF WORK.
BUT WE NEEDED $60,000 TO GET TE REAL THING.
I DON'T WANT TO PUT US IN THAT POSITION.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR. WE ARE ASKING STAFF TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST TO TELL ME AND COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON WHAT TO FIX THE
EXOSKELETON IS GOING TO BE. >> I'LL ASK HIM WHAT IS IT GOING TO COST TO FIX THE SHELL? WE WILL HAVE TWO DIFFERENT
PRICES. >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING.
>> I'M GOOD. MADAM CHAIR, I'M READY TO MOVE ON. IF WE NEED A MOTION.
WE NEED-- WHAT DO WE NEED? >> WELL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON-- YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.
WE ARE OVERTHINKING. THIS IT HAPPENS WITHIN THE STRUCTURING OF THE CONTRACT WHERE THE INDIVIDUAL LINE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE PREPARED. IT IS GOING TO DEFINE.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A SCOPE, A SEQUENCE, AND THEN A DELIVERABLE AT THE END OF IT. IT IS GOING TO SAY, THIS IS THE ITEM. THIS IS HOW MUCH IT COSTS.
HERE YOU GO. I HAVE COMPLETED IT.
HERE IS THE REPORT. ARE YOU READY TO MOVE TO PHASE
TWO? >> I'M FINE WITH THAT, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I DIDN'T WANT TO LIMIT ANYBODY. LET THEM TELL US WHAT IT IS.
THEN WE MAKE THE VOTE ON THAT. I'M FINE WITH THAT.
>> YOU MAY MAKE A MOTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
>> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE NEGOTIATIONS
WITH RFP, 2023-037. >> IS THERE A SECOND IN.
>> SECOND. >> ANY MORE DISCUSSION?
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?
>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON?
>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON?
>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?
>> YEVMENT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW TO
[c. Jetty Area Police Detail]
>> I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T REMEMBER.
>> ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE JETTY AREA
MADAM CHAIR. ACTUALLY, ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAS ASKED REQUESTED THIS ITEM AND THE NEXT ITEM TO BE
SO WHO WANTS TO BEGIN ON JETTY AREA POLICE DETAIL?
>> WELL, I GUESS SINCE I-- (LAUGHTER) THE EXOSKELETON OF JETTY PARK. (LAUGHTER) I THINK THAT WE HAVE ALL BEEN MADE AWARE OF SECURITY ISSUES AT JETTY PARK.
RUNNING INTO THE EVENING, ET CETERA.
A VARIETY OF ACTIVITIES THAT OBVIOUSLY, ARE NOT SUPPORTED BETY PUBLIC. CREATING PATRONAGE PROBLEMS FOR THE LOCAL ESTABLISHMENTS OUT THERE.
AND I HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH NICK, AND WE RECEIVED A MEMO FROM THE CHIEF RELATIVE TO THE INABILITY TO DEDICATE RESOURCES THERE ON A MORE PERMANENT BASIS.
I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS STRETCHED. THE CITY MANAGER RECOMMENDED AS A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE, DEDICATING SOME FUNDING SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID DOWNTOWN. FOR THE ONGOING PATROLS TO THE JETTY PARK AREA. AND MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON IT W WAS, WELL, THAT IS A GREAT SOLUTION.
MAYBE AS A TEMPORARY SCENARIO, THIS WILL CLEAN UP WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. AND MOVE IT TO OTHER LOCATIONS AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO-- WE NEED TO BUST THE SYSTEM THAT IS TAKING PLACE OUT THERE. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A VIABLE SHORT-TERM SOLUTION. I'M NOT NECESSARILY SUGGESTING THIS IS A PERMANENT SOLUTION BY ANY MEANS.
HOWEVER, I THINK FOR THE SHORT-TERM, IT COULD BE A SOLUTION TO WHAT IS A GROWING PROBLEM.
IT IS GETTING WORSE LITERALLY AS TIME GOES BY.
WE ARE NOW GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESTAURANTS THAT AIR
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THE STAFF DOES NOT WANT TO WORK IN THE EVENING BECAUSE THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WALKING TO THEIR VEHICLES.THAT IS HOW FAR THIS HAS DEGRADED.
I'M THINKING THIS IS A GOOD IMMEDIATE SOLUTION WE CAN DEPLOY. AND THEN COME BACK AND REVISIT IT AT WHATEVER TIME MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.
COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND THEN COMMISSIONER GAINES.
>> I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE HEARD ACTUALLY FROM A VARIETY OF FOLKS. IT IS NOT EVEN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. IT IS THE VISITORS.
THE PARK USERS. THE FISHERMEN.
THOSE ARE THE FOLKS I'M HEARING FROM.
YOU KNOW, WHAT IS CHANGING. IN MY MIND, ALSO, YOU KNOW, TO CHANGE A HUMAN HABIT, IT TAKES ABOUT 21 DAYS.
RIGHT? THAT IS THE LOGISTICS OF THAT.
AND SO I UNDERSTAND, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.
ON THE SHORT-TERM. HOW DO YOU ACCOMPLISH A TASK LIKE THIS? YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE HABITS.
YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE MOVE MOVEMENTS, THE FOLKS THAT MIGHT BE LOITERING, LINGERING, HANGING OUT.
YOU KNOW THAT, BRINGS UP THE QUESTION THAT MR. MIMMS AND I HAVE HAD FOR MANY YEARS NOW. THAT IS A CITY PARK.
AND HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT DISCUSSING THE ORDINANCES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE REGARDING CITY PARKS? IT ALSO BRINGS UP THE RECENT CONVERSATION THIS IN MY MIND OF THE USE OF CITY PARKS REGARDING PARKING, PAID PARKING, NON-PAID PARKING, HOURS OF OPERATION, FORECAST THERE IS A WHOLE-- I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT CONVOLUTED.
ALL THESE THINGS FLOOD MY MIND. I JUST SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR COMMENTS, TOO.
SO THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES, DID YOU
WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IN. >> YEAH, I DO.
I UNDERSTAND THE NEED. I HAVE GOTTEN THE SAME CALLS.
AND EMAILS FROM BUSINESS OWNERS DOWN THERE.
BUT ARE WE-- IF WE DECIDE TO DO THIS, AND WE PUT A DETAIL, SOME DETAIL OFFICERS DOWN THERE, AREN'T WE TAKING THE OFFICERS FROM WHERE THE CHIEF JUST SAID THEY WERE TOO THIN-- OR THERE ARE NEW OFFICERS GOING DOWN THERE.
I'M HAVING A PROBLEM TAKING OFFICERS DOWN THERE.
I CAN'T REMEMBER. MAYBE I'M JUST TIRED TODAY.
WHAT TIME DOES THE CITY PARK CLOSE?
SUNRISE TO SUNSET. >> EXCEPT JETTY.
>> IT IS 24 HOURS A DAY OVER THERE.
>> YOU HAD TWO QUESTIONS. RIGHT? THE FIRST ONE IS THIS IS AN OFF-DUTY DETAIL.
>> OKAY. >> THESE OFFICERS ARE NOT GOING TO BE REDIRECTED. ACTUALLY, THEY WILL BE OFF-DUTY.
THEY WILL BE PERFORMING A LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICE, AND THEY WILL BE DEDICATED TO THAT AREA. THE SECOND THING IS ALL OF THE PARKS AND THE CITY-- IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ARE OPEN FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET. WE ALL KNOW THAT IS NOT THE CASE. RIGHT? THAT IS WHY OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT-- THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY RESPONSE IS DRAFTING A REVISION TO OUR ORDINANCES THAT IS NOT YET REVIEWED AND NOT YET COMPLETED THAT CAN IDENTIFY SPECIFIC PARKS AND THEIR USE AND HOW WE ADDRESS THEM AND THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION. IT IS LIKE JAYCEE PARK THAT HAS A BOAT RAMP. LIKE SCP JETTY NARC HAS FISHING, RESTAURANTS, BEACH ACCESS. I LIKE MARINA SQUARE.
THEY HAVE EVENTS. ALL OF THESE THAT I MENTIONED ARE PARKS. WE HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC FOR EACH
LOCATION. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES, I'M SUGGESTING THAT WE WOULD PUT THIS ON A SHORT-TERM SCENARIO TO SEE IF WE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM. NOT A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
MAYBE A 9 O'-DAY SCENARIO. AND REVISIT.
THIS WOULD COME BACK HERE. ALTHOUGH THE CITY MANAGER IS LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M GROWING THREE HEADS.
>> DON'T LOOK AT... (LAUGHTER).
>> THAT IS THE DIRECTION I'M SUGGESTING.
>> AND THIS IS MY ONLY FOLLOW-UP.
I UNDERSTAND YOU SAY 90 DAYS, OFF-DUTY OFFICERS THERE.
RIGHT? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT IS GOING TO CURTAIL WHAT GOES ON ON A CLOSED PARK AFTER SUNSET. BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO STOP, IT IS NOT GOING TO STOP THE MASS OF PEOPLE COMING THERE.
I'M JUST TRYING TO-- ARE WE JUST SAYING THAT THE PRESENCE OF OFFICERS THERE WILL GIVE THE RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEIR GUESTS AND PATRONS THE ABILITY TO FEEL LIKE THEY CAN G TO THEIR CARS? THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. JUST HAVE A POLICE PRESENCE THERE DURING, I GUESS, CERTAIN HOURS AT NIGHTTIME.
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OR WHENEVER WE DECIDE TO PUT THEM THERE.SO THAT THE POLICE WILL BE THERE.
I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.
UNLESS WE DO SOMETHING DRASTIC TO CHANGE THE KNOWN SPOT FOR ENTERTAINMENT IN FORT PIERCE AT NIGHT FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO GO BY THE WATER, THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT.
THAT IS THE SPOT TO GO TO. IT IS NOT ONLY THE SPOT FOR THE ONES THAT MIGHT BE CAUSING SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. THAT IS ALSO THE SPOT FOR, LIKE, JEREMIAH JOHNSON SAID, THE FISHERMEN THAT WANT TO GO OUT THERE TO FISH AT NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THE COUPLES THAT WANT TO GO OUT THERE AT NIGHT, JUST EVERYTHING HAPPENS THERE. SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT-- I UNDERSTAND A SHORT-TERM SOLUTION. LET'S START THINKING OF-- LET'S STARTS THINKING OF SOME OTHER SOLUTIONS.
BECAUSE IT IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE IN THE FUTURE.
IF SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT AND OTHER STUFF COMES ON THAT CORNER. ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, IF IT COMES OR WHATEVER IS GOING ON, THEN THAT IS WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT. I'M TRYING TO PROTECT THE BUSINESS OWNERS. I GOT THE EMAILS.
I GOT THE PHONE CALLS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE ARE PUTTING THREE, OR FOUR OR FIVE OFF-DUTY POLICE OFFICERS THERE, I'M HOPING THAT THEY SEE OFFICERS AND STOP SOME OF THE NONSENSE. I DON'T HAVE MUCH FAITH IN THAT
AS I SIT HERE TODAY. >> SO YEAH.
I'M GOING TO-- I GOT SOME EMAILS EARLY ON.
I THINK FOR ME, TOO, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND SPECIFICALLY WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO STOP. AT ONE POINT, IT WAS LOUD MUSIC.
IT WAS NARCOTICS. BEING CONSUMED IN THERE.
IN THAT AREA. AND THE SMELL OF IT, PER SE.
PROBABLY OPEN CONTAINER. WHATEVER.
IS THAT STILL THE-- OBVIOUSLY, THERE WERE ONE OR TWO ALTERCATIONS BETWEEN SOME PE PEOPLE.
RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS.
A FIGHT. RIGHT? I THINK KRP COMMISSIONER GAINES, AS I LOOK AT THAT, WOULD A PRESENCE OF OFFICERS OUT THERE CURTAIL SOME OF THAT? I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND HOW TO PATROL DOWNTOWN, THEY ARE ON BICYCLES OR WALKING AROUND, I THINK THAT TENDS TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT AND IT PROVIDES AN ELEMENT OF SAFETY PERHAPS.
RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE ARE ADDRESSING
ARE. >> THAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS.
>> THAT IS WHAT I NEED TO BE CLEAR ON.
>> I THINK IT IS MORE INTENSITY AT THIS POINT.
JUST MORE. >> I HADN'T BEEN OUT THERE.
WE ARE TALKING MIDNIGHT-ISH. 1:00 IN THE MORNING.
>> IT STARTS EARLY EVENING. AND RUNS ALL THE WAY UP TO
>> AND I GOT THE EMAILS, TOO. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY RECENTLY.
I DID RESPOND TO SOME AND I H HAVE-- I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT-- ONE OF THE THINGS I THOUGHT WAS HAPPENING IS WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT, THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY COMING OVER.
IN BOTH THE PARKS. A LOT OF ACTIVITY.
KIDS ARE-- THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL.
THEY ARE OUT THERE PARTYING. THAT IS JUST ONE OBSERVATION.
I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS-- IT COULD BE YEAR-ROUND.
A PROBLEM. IT SEEMS TO BE MORE, MORE COMPLAINTS RIGHT WHEN SCHOOL IS OUT.
SEEMS TO BE. THEN ALSO THERE WAS MUSICAL ENTERTAINMENT AT THE-- AT ONE OF THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WAS, ACCORDING TO THE OTHER BUSINESSES, INCREASING THE ELEMENT THAT WAS MENACING TO PEOPLE.
FOR SOME REASON. SO THEY WERE SAYING THEY WERE-- IT WASN'T PLEASANT TO SIT OUTSIDE.
THEY DIDN'T FEEL SAFE TO GO TO THEIR CARS, ET CETERA.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TIME OF THE NIGHT ALL OF THAT HAPPENED.
BUT SO I THINK THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS, THAT WE NEED TO-- THOSE BUSINESSES-- BECAUSE WHERE IT IS HAPPENING MOSTLY IS AT JETTY PARK. I THINK.
ACROSS FROM THOSE FOUR OR FIVE BUSINESSES IN THE SQUARE GROUP.
ALTHOUGH THERE IS-- REMEMBER, WE USED TO GET THE COMPLAINTS DOWN FROM JAYCEE PARK. THE DEVELOPMENT NEXT DOOR TO IT.
THE PEOPLE WOULD BE PARKING. THAT WAS DURING THE PANDEMIC.
THAT PARK WAS OPA-LOCKA. REMEMBER EVERYBODY CAME FROM SOUTH FLORIDA TO PARTY IN THE PARK? WE HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY COMPLAINTS
ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN >> J.C.:Y PARK LATELY.
I HAVE NOT HEARD. BUT YOU HAVE THAT ENTERTAINMENT
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DISTRICT RIGHT THERE. AT THE-- WHERE THE INLET MEETS THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. AND THAT IS, THAT IS-- I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE THAT GO THERE, THEY GO THERE FOR ALL KINDS OF REASONS. KUCHLES COUPLES AND FAMILIES AND OLDER PEOPLE TO SIT IN THE SWINGS.PEOPLE TO FISH. SO THERE IS JUST-- THEY GO THERE ALL TIMES OF DAY OR NIGHT. YES, SIR.
>> JUST TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION.
YOU TALKED ABOUT JAYCEE PARK. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID AS A CITY, WE ASSIGNED CODE ENFORCEMENT TO BE AT JAYCEE PARK. DURING THE WEEKEND HOURS WHERE IT WAS HEAVY ACTIVITY. AND WITH THAT PRESENCE, OF JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT, I THINK THAT WE HAVE DIMINISHED THE OCCURRENCES OF SILLINESS, RAUCOUS BEHAVIOR.
IF THERE IS ANY TYPE OF EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT NEEDS LAW ENFORCEMENT, THEN OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WOULD GET IN TOUCH WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
IN ADDITION TO DOWNTOWN, THE DETAIL HAS BEEN RECEIVED VERY WELL. IT HAS GIVEN AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
WITH THAT PRESENCE AND WITH THE SIMPLE KNOWING THAT THIS POLICE OFFICER OR THIS CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS HERE TO HELP US, THEY CAN GIVE GUIDANCE, INFORMATION, AND THEY CAN RESPOND TO EMERGENCIES IF NEEDED, IT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WHEN IMENT
PLEMMED. >> SO WE COULD DO THIS SAME KIND OF THING IN THIS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT AND ADDRESS THAT ISSUE ON A TRIAL BASIS. BECAUSE PRETTY SOON,-- WELL, SCHOOL STARTS ON THURSDAY. AND THEN PRETTY SOON, IT IS GOING TO BE SEASON. YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO FEEL SAFE DURING SEASON. COMMISSIONER GAINES YOU ARE DYING TO SAY SOMETHING. SORRY.
>> YOU ARE FINE. MADAM CHAIR, I'M LOOKING AT
THESE HOURS. >> THIS IS FOR DOWNTOWN.
FOR DOWNTOWN. BECAUSE THE ONLY HOURS ON HERE, IF WE WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT AREA, THAT I WOULD SEE, WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD NEED THAT FRIDAY NIGHT FROM-- YOU DON'T HAVE TO START AT 6:30.
THE SUN IS STILL UP AT 6:30. YOU KNOW, WE START AT 8:00.
LIKE, 2:00 IN THE MORNING. THAT TIME.
I CAN SEE IT. THEN THE SAME THING WOULD BE THE SAME THING AS HE HAD HERE. 9:00 TO 3:00.
A.M. BECAUSE I DON'T-- ARE THERE MANY PROBLEMS OR ISSUES BETWEEN 3:00 TO 9:00?
>> AND EMAILS. BECAUSE I HAVE GOTTEN-- IT IS AFTER THE PARK IS SUPPOSED TO BE CLOSED.
>> DUSK. IT IS NOT EVEN RIGHT AFTER DUSK.
IT IS MORE IN THE 9:00 TO 10:00 AREA TIME FRAME UP TO THE 2:00, 3:00, UNTIL THEY GO HOME. THAT IS THE TIME FRAME THAT I THINK THE PEOPLE ARE GOING-- THE PEOPLE ARE HAVING THE COMP COMPLAINTS. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE BUSINESSES CLOSE OVER THERE. LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE SOME BANDS THAT USUALLY PLAY OVER THERE.
I KNOW THE BANDS PLAY THERE. THEN YOU HAVE THE MUSIC AND THE
RUM-RUNNERS COMING FROM -- >> OH, YEAH.
>> COMING FROM THE FRONT PART BEFORE YOU GET THERE.
>> I KNOW THEY STAY OPEN. I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE-- WE JUST GOT THROUGH TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, WITH THE FREEBEE. I DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE A BUSINESS THAT MAKES BUSINESS ON THAT TIME.
I'M TRYING TO SAY YOU CAN'T REALLY HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
YOU CAN'T REALLY BE SCARED TO GO TO YOUR CAR BUT YOU WILL STAY OPEN TO SELL A RUM-RUNNER UNTIL THEY RUN OUT.
I'M NOT PICKING ON ANY INDIVIDUAL, ANY INDIVIDUAL BUSINESS. YOU CAN'T HAVE LOUD MUSIC TO ATTRACT PEOPLE THERE AND THEN COMPLAIN THAT THE PEOPLE COME.
I HAVE SEEN THE VIDEOS. A COUPLE OF THEM.
I HAVE SEEN THE NOISE. I HAVE DRIVENNINGLY AND MADE THE CIRCLE WHEN I COULD. SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE THE CIRCLE TO GET AROUND TO COME BACK AROUND TO THE BIG CIRCLE.
TO GO BACK OUT. I HAVE MADE THAT DRIVE AND KEPT GOING. NOT TONIGHT.
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YOU KNOW, AND KEPT GOING. I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE. I DON'T MIND THAT I GOT MY QUESTION ANSWERED WITH THE OFF-DUTY OFFICERS BEING DOWN THERE ON BIKE PATROL AND WHATEVER.YOU KNOW, THE SAND-- ON BIKE PATROL.
I DON'T MIND. THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO DO IT, THERE IS A CERTAIN AREA, A CERTAIN TIME THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT. THAT IS WHAT I THINK WOULD STOP THE EMAILS AND THE COMPLAINTS. I'M FOR IT.
I DON'T MIND. YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND GOING DOWN THERE. I DON'T SEE THE NEED IN THE MORNING. BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROBLEMS IN THE MORNING. I'M NOT GOING TO EVEN SAY SUNSET. BECAUSE IT IS NOT REALLY SUNSET.
IT IS LIKE A COUPLE OF HOURS AFTER SUNSET.
>> 8:00 TO 2:00. >> IT IS REALLY AFTER PEOPLE HAVE A LOT TO DRINK. QUITE HONESTLY.
THAT IS USUALLY LATER IN THE NIGHT.
>> I WAS TRYING NOT TO SAY THAT, MADAM CHAIR.
>> I'M SORRY. I FIND THE RUM-RUNNERS ALL OVER
JETTY PARK THE NEXT DAY. >> SO THAT IS A PROBLEM.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. WE SELL.
THEN YOU COMPLAIN. I'M IN AGREEMENT, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. IF YOU WANT TO PUT A PATROL DOWN THERE. TO SEE IF THAT CAN DO SOMETHING.
LET'S MAXIMIZE THE TIME WE ARE DOWN THERE.
TO ME,IT MAKES EVERYBODY SAFE. EVEN THE PEOPLE BEING COMPLAINED ABOUT. A PATROL MAKES THEM SAFE, TOO.
VISIBILITY WILL, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY, STOP A FIGHT OR STOP SOME STUPIDNESS FROM GOING ON DOWN THERE.
AND WE GO FROM THERE. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.
I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PATROL BEING DOWN THERE.
ME PERSONALLY. I JUST DON'T THINK IT IS NEEDED
WHEN THE SUN IS UP. >> 8:00 TO 2:00 FRIDAY,
SATURDAY, SUNDAY. >> WE COULD HAVE INPUT FROM THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT, TOO. >> THAT IS ANOTHER SOLUTION, TOO. TO SEE WHEN THEY GET --
>> WE SIT HERE AND -- >> BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW.
>> MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WHEN WE ENACTED THIS PROGRAM, WE RECEIVED THE INPUT. I BELIEVE THEY SPOKE TO ME ABOUT SOME OF THE HOURS AND WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED.
THEY UNDERSTAND. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU ALL SHOULD GET INTO THAT. I BELIEVE --
>> UNLESS WE HANG OUT THERE AND WE DON'T.
>> I SEE CURTIS ALL THE TIME. (LAUGHTER) I SAW HIM ON THE VIDEO. HE WAS ON IT.
>> WE KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> WE CAN GET THE FEEDBACK AND THEN ONCE WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT IT, WE WILL COME BACK WITH A
PLAN, THE HOURS. >> I LIKE THAT.
>> I LIKE THAT. >> WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE IT AT
THE NEXT MEETING. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT.
>> MADAM CHAIR, SO A FEW THINGS TO THINK ABOUT.
I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER GAINES.
YOU ARE RIGHT ON WITH THE TIMING OF IT.
WE WILL LOOK AT SOME DATA THAT HELPS US WITH THAT.
ADDITIONAL PHONE CALLS THEY REMEMBER THAT I'M GETTING, THAT I HAVE GOTTEN OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS, WE HAVE ALL GOTTEN. IT HAD TO DO WITH VEHICLE MOVEMENT. IT HAD TO DO WITH LOUD MUSIC.
TRUCKS WITH BIG STEREO SYSTEMS. LET'S BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I WITNESSED IT PERSONALLY. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. ONE OF THEM I WILL GET OFF MY CHEST. JUST BECAUSE AS WE BUILD OUR CITY, I WANT US TO BE MINDFUL OF ASPHALT NEXT TO WATERWAYS.
IT DOESN'T WORK. GUESS WHAT WE BUILT IN THIS PARK. WE BUILT ASPHALT NEXT TO THE WATER. I WANT US TO THINK ABOUT.
THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT READ THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING 15 YEARS FROM TODAY. DON'T PUT ASPHALT OR A BATHROOM NEXT TO THE WATER. NOW I HAVE THAT OFF MY CHEST.
NOW I'M MOVING FORWARD. WE PUT A BATHROOM AND ASPHALT NEXT TO THE BEAUTIFUL WATERFRONT.
>> IT IS THERE ALREADY. >> WE THE MOVE IT LATER.
MOVE IT LETTER. ANYWAY, 15 YEARS FROM NOW, SOMEBODY ELSE CAN DO THAT. I'M LOOKING AT A MAP.
HERE IS MY OTHER THOUGHT, MR. MIMMS. NOT ONLY THE PATROL PART OF IT. WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO CURB HABITS.
BECAUSE WE BUILT A BEAUTIFUL SQUARE FOR A VEHICLE TO DRIVE IN
>> AND WHEN THEY GO IN A SQUARE, THEY LIKE TO STAY IN THE SQUARE.
AND THEY GO ARNOLD. THEY GO OOH, LOOK, HEY, LISTEN TO MY MUSIC. THEN THEY SAY, HEY, LISTEN TO MY MUSIC. THEY DO THAT FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES. LITERALLY.
I WATCHED IT. I'M, LIKE, OH, MY GOSH.
THE SAME TRUCK. HERE HE COMES AGAIN.
>> LOOKING FOR SOME ACTION. (LAUGHTER).
>> SOMETHING. I'M DO DAY I'M DO I'M OKAY.
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(LAUGHTER). >> SO MY POINT IS LET'S THINK ABOUT THE IDEA OF CLOSING OFF THE ROADWAY, THE TRAVEL LANE AT THE ROUND-ABOUT. YOU STILL HAVE ACCESS, INGRESS AND EGRESS TO GO THROUGH THE ROUND-ABOUT INTO THE PARKING LOT AND COME BACK OUT BY SQUARE GROUPER.
I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT. THAT TALK TO YOUR CITY ENGINEER.
>> YOU MEAN NOT GO ALL THE WAY TO THE OCEAN?
>> THAT'S RIGHT. CLOSE IT OFF.
AND FORCE A ONE-WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT WHICH ELIMINATES SOME OF THE HEY, LOOK AT ME IN MY TRUCK AND MY NOISE.
>> A VALID POINT. >> CLOSE OFF AND PUT SOME BARRICADES UP. PUT BARRICADES UP AT THE PAVILION THAT IS ON THE EASTERN, THE SOUTHEASTERN PAVILION.
THAT ALLOWS ACCESS TO THE TRAFFIC.
IT IS IN THE SHAPE OF A P. IF YOU WERE TO BRING UP A MAP, YOU COULD SEE IT. IT IS PERFECTLY SHAPED.
YOU COULD HAVE TRAFFIC IN, TRAFFIC OUT.
WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE CURBING AGAIN.
CURBING HUMAN NATURE. WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE ELEMENT OF CAUSING THESE OTHER-- THIS OTHER DISTURBANCE.
YOU STILL HAVE ACCESS TO PARKING.
YOU COULD STILL GO FISHING THERE.
IT IS JUST THAT THE ROADS IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES --
>> THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESSES. THE CARS CANNOT GO ON THOSE.
SO LATER IN THE NIGHT, IT IS ALSO SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC.
>> THEY ARE WALKING TO THEIR CAR, GOING ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY HAVE ALREADY MAYBE PARTICIPATED WITH SOME EXTRA ACTIVITIES AND DRINKS. NOW WE DON'T HAVE A PEDESTRIAN
SAFETY ISSUE. >> I THINK THAT MAY BE A WIN-WIN, COMMISSIONER. THEY MAY EXPAND THEIR BUSINESSES OUT TO THAT STREET AREA. RIGHT? THAT MAY HELP THEM. MY CONCERN IS, AND THERE IS NO WAY TO PREVENT IT. IIT SELF-PREVENTS.
ONCE THE PARKING SPACES ARE YOU DON'T WANT THE GUY WITH THE TRUCK WITH ALL THE SPEAKERS PARKED THERE.
THEY DECIDE TO OPEN THAT UP AND START BLASTING FOR THE REST OF
THE NIGHT. >> THAT IS WHEN THE PATROL
COMES. >> THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.
>> THAT WOULD FIT, THEN. THAT IS AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
YOU KNOW, AT CERTAIN POINTS IN WEST PALM, CLEMATIS CLOSES.
YOU CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH. THAT BECOMES STREET OUTSIDE.
THAT MAY EXPAND BUSINESSES TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THEM OUT THERE. THAT MAY BE THE WIN-WIN.
>> JUST LIKE WE WERE THINKING ABOUT.
WITH AVENUE EIGHT. >> CLOSE IT OFF.
>> PUT THE THINGS UP. >> YEAH.
>> IT IS A WALKWAY. >> IT IS A WALKWAY.
>> WOULD WE GET THE INPUT FROM THE BUSINESSES?
OR JUST DO IT? >> I MEAN, I WILL TELL Y'ALL RIGHT NOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS. 7 PARKING SPACES.
THAT IS THE IMPACT. ON THE PARALLEL PARKING SIDE.
>> OKAY. >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
>> I DON'T KNOW. ENGINEERING-WISE.
>> YOU HAVE TO WALK UP TO GET YOUR RUM-RUNNERS FROM THE DOOR ANYWAY. FROM THE PATIO.
>> NOW YOU CAN SIT AT A TABLE OUT THERE AND HAVE YOUR RUM-RUNNERS. RIGHT?
>> THERE IS THAT ONE BUSINESS AT THE END THAT SELL IT IS RUM-RUNNERS THAT DOES HAVE A PARKING LOT WITH ACCESS TO THE ROADWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CONFIGURATION WILL ALLOW PARKING ON THE OTHER SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
>> THEY HAVE A DRIVE-THROUGH THAT COMES IN.
>> A WINDOW SERVICE. >> WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK AT IT.
WE CAN EVALUATE IT. THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM.
ACTUALLY, THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. WE WILL CHECK IT OUT.
>> OKAY. >> THERE IS MOTORCYCLE PARKING
I'M WILLING TO SACRIFICE. >> WELL, SOMEBODY HAS TO LOOK AT IT. WE CAN'T MAKE THAT DECISION TONIGHT. RIGHT.
IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO LOOK INTO. I THINK.
>> WE WILL GET WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE HOURS OF
OPERATION. >> ABSOLUTELY, YES.
YES. >> AND THEN COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION. THEN WE WILL KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS. AND I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT. BECAUSE THAT KIND OF FEAR WITH PEOPLE THERE, SPREADS THROUGHOUT EVERY PLACE.
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IT. AND PEOPLE-- EVEN THAT DON'T WITNESS ITS AND AREN'T AT THOSE BUSINESSES HEAR ABOUT IT.
THEY ARE AFRAID. I THINK THIS WILL BE A GOOD
THING TO ADDRESS. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF WE CAN COME UP WITH CREATIVE OTHER IDEAS, NOT JUST-- OTHER CREATIVE IDEAS, JUST TRYING TO OFF-SET THE FISCAL IMPACT.
YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CREATE SAFETY.
TRYING TO CREATE, YOU KNOW, AWARENESS.
WITHIN OUR PARKS. TRYING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND EXCITING. AT THE SAME TIME, REDUCING SOME
OF THE COST. >> AND PROTECTING THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO ENJOY THAT PARK BUT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH DRINKING AND CAVORTING. THEY WANT TO BE FISHING OR WHATEVER. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL
WITH THIS OTHER STUFF. >> THEY BRING THEIR OWN COOLERS
>> MOST LIKELY. >> THOSE COOLERS ARE FOR FISHING. YES, RIGHT.
>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THAT IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT-- YOU SET THAT UP. AND DO THAT.
AND SET IT UP. THAT COULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT LOOK. A WHOLE DIFFERENT VIBE FOR THAT
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TYPE OF SITUATION. GREAT IDEA.>> MR. MIMMS, DO YOU HAVE-- DO YOU HAVE DIRECTION ON THIS ITEM?
[d. Jetty Area Temporary Parking Lot]
GREAT. SHALL WE MOVE ON?OKAY. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS JETTY AREA
TEMPORARY PARKING LOT. >> OKAY.
>> MR. MIMMS, ARE YOU DOING THIS?
>> HE IS DOING ALL THE TALKING. >> OH, SORRY.
>> AT THE OUTSET, COMING DOWN TO GIVE ME VISUAL SUPPORT HERE.
(LAUGHTER). >> LET ME SAY THAT COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON IS GOING TO HATE THIS IDEA.
I'M SURE AS ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA WE HAVE, JETTY PARK, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL PARK AND OBVIOUSLY, AS WE HAVE JUST DISCUSSED, IS HEAVILY USED, WE HAVE TO THE WEST, WE HAVE THE SQUARE GROUPER WHOSE SURFACE PARKING IS A COMBINATION OF PAVER BRICKS AND CONCRETE. WE THEN HAVE THE CITY-OWNED LOT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF JETTY PARK AND SQUARE GROUPER WHICH CANDIDLY, IS A DIRT LOT. IT IS UNATTRACTIVE.
AND IT'S A DUST BOWL. THE BEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE IT.
THE ISSUE THAT I HAVE WITH IT IS SIMPLY THAT IT IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN THESE TWO REALLY QUALITY DEVELOPMENTS.
THE SQUARE GROUPER AND JETTY PARK.
I THOUGHT THAT WE MAY WANT TO RELEASE-- AT LEAST CONSIDER-- I'M TRYING TO SELL THIS TO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.
I THINK IT NEEDS A PERMANENT SOLUTION.
AS FAR AS PAVING IT, LIGHTING IT.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE RUN OUT AND DO.
THAT I'M SUGGESTING THAT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A DRAWING AS TO WHAT CAPACITY OF PARKING THERE IS. YOU SIMPLY DON'T KNOW BASED ON THESE TEMPORARY LOTS WHAT THE REAL CAPACITY WOULD BE.
AND SEE IF THIS IS A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR TO MAINTAIN X NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. WE SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.
I JUST THOUGHT THAT BASED ON THE UNATTRACTIVE NATURE OF THAT PARTICULAR FACILITY SANDWICHED BETWEEN THESE TWO, AND THE OTHER THING IS LINEAR PARK TOO. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PARK FOR WHAT IT IS. VERY HEAVILY USED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE PARK IN THIS PARK TO UTILIZE THAT.
I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH A LOOK TO SAY, OKAY, IN OUR DESIGN, WE ARE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH GETTING X AMOUNT OF PERMANENT PARKING. AND THEN IF THIS GROUP DECIDED TO, THEN SOLICIT PROPOSALS TO SEE WHAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE. THAT IS AS FAR AS I WAS GOING TO TAKE IT. THE ASPHALT TRUCKS ARE NOT
BACKING UP TOMORROW. >> NOT PUTTING IN REST ROOMS.
NO REST ROOMS. IT IS JUST-- THE QUALITY OF THE ASSETS SURROUNDING, THIS IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS REALLY OUT OF PLACE. BEING IN THE CONDITION THAT IT
IS IN. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, THAT
IS BETTER. >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE
USING THE MICROPHONE. >> JUST TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD. I UNDERSTAND THE SIGHT AND HOW IT LOOKS BETWEEN THE TO PROPERTIES.
HOWEVER, IF WE PUT THE ASPHALT AND CON KREELT THERE,-- THE CONCRETE THERE OR THE PAVEMENT THERE, AREN'T WE JUST CREATING ANOTHER PROBLEM IN THE AREA FROM WHERE WE JUST TRIED TO BLOCK
OFF? >> THEY ARE USING THIS AS
PARKING NOW. >> NOW IT IS DIRT.
THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DRIVE AROUND AND PLAY THEIR MUSIC
BECAUSE THE DUST IS COMING IN. >> YOU PARK IT AND WE HAVE THE TRUCK AND THE LOUD MUSIC IS GOING TO GO OVER HERE.
I'M GOING TO GET THE EMAILS FROM THE SQUARE GROUPER.
>> THE SOLUTION TO THAT IS THAT THE POLICE PRESENCE IS GOING TO POTENTIALLY DISSUADE ALL OF THAT.
I KIND OF LOOKED AT IT AS A COMBINATION OF THESE TWO SOLUTIONS, CANDIDLY. THAT ONE, THE NONAESTHETIC VALUE OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, JUST TO CLIENT UP AND GET IT IN LINE WITH WHAT ELSE WAS THERE WAS MY THOUGHT PROCESS.
>> AND IF THE COST IS ASTRONOMICAL, WE WOULD PASS ON
IT, I WOULD SAY. >> MADAM CHAIR, I THOUGHT WE WERE LOOKING AT SOMETHING. THIS IS CITY-OWNED PROPERTY.
WERE WE PURSUING RFP AT ONE POINT ON THIS?
>> I BELIEVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I BELIEVE WE HAD A PROPOSAL.
WE DID NOT TAKE ACTION. >> I THINK THAT AGAIN, KNOWING PERHAPS WHAT'S COMING OR POTENTIALLY COMING TO THIS AREA
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HERE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE PROBABLY, AS AN FPRA BOARD MAY NEED TO LOOK AT THIS PARCEL AGAIN, I THINK.I THINK THAT PARKING MAY BE A SLIGHTLY LESS CHALLENGE IF FUTURE THINGS EVOLVE. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT COMMISSIONER GAINES HAS BROUGHT UP, PAVING THIS, I THINK, CHALLENGES US WITH THAT. RIGHT NOW, NO ONE WANTS TO STAND IN DIRT AND BE IN DIRT AND GET THOSE NICE SHINY CARS DIRTY AND DUSTY, BEING OVER THERE. THAT IS PROBABLY WHY THEY DON'T DO THAT THERE. THEY TEND TO PARK MORE ON THE SURFACE ASPHALT LOTS. AND I AGREE WITH YOU.
THIT IS A DUST BOWL. IT DOES CREATE AND KICK UP A LOT OF DUST. YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT AT ONE POINT, WE WERE PURSUING LOOKING AT RFPS TRYING TO ATTRACT SOMETHING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA HERE.
SO I THINK SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THOSE TWO, I THINK IS A FAIR EVALUATION. THE EXERCISE OF AT LEAST SAYING HEY, WHAT DOES IT COST TO PAVE THIS PER SQUARE? IS IT WORTH IT? THAT IS ONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REALLY PUT THIS BACK OUT THERE.
BECAUSE WE MAY JUST FIND SOME ENTREPRENEUR OR BUSINESSPERSON THAT REALLY WANTS TO BRING SOMETHING TO THAT AREA THAT MAY FIT WHAT IS COMING IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW THAT.
I JUST DON'T. I WOULD AGREE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
>> YOU ARE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. I REMEMBER THAT ALSO.
WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO WAS DO THE RFP FOR THE SOUTHERN PARCEL.
WHICH WAS MAYBE THE PARKING LOT. WE CAME UP WITH IDEAS.
WE WERE GOING TO RUN AN RFP BEFORE ANOTHER ONE.
I THOUGHT THIS ONE TOOK THE BACK SEAT OR SECOND PLACE.
>> THE ONE WITH THE PAID PARKING.
>> I FEEL LIKE WE NEEDED TO HOLD ON AND SAVE THAT CONVERSATION FOR THIS PARCEL TO A LATER DATE. I LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.
SPECIFICALLY. WE WILL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, PUT OUR HATS ON. IT IS IN THE FPRA.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME STUFF.
HONESTLY, IN MY THOUGHTS ALSO, BECAUSE OF MY DISDAIN FOR PARKING NEXT TO WATER, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH TALKING ABOUT MAYBE PUTTING THIS OUT THERE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF INTERESTS THERE ARE BECAUSE IF YOU GET A GOOD BANG FOR THE DOLLAR WITH THIS, WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING INFRASTRUCTURE JUST DOWN THE STREET. THAT COULD BE SEED MONEY FOR IT.
IT COULD BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW. THEN AGAIN, THERE IS A PART OF ME THAT IS, LIKE, WHY ARE WE SELLING WATER SNRONT RIGHT? WE ALREADY OWN IT. WE HAVE THE ASSET.
THIS ONE IS A CHALLENGE FOR ME. UNLESS WE WERE TO COME UP WITH PARKING SOLUTIONS ELSEWHERE. WE NEED THE INVENTORY, BUT I DON'T LIKE PAVING NEXT TO THE WATER.
I THINK I SAID THAT. >> I HADN'T HEARD THAT YET.
>> I GUESS -- >> IT IS A GOOD POINT, THOUGH.
>> I AGREE WITH BOTH ASSESSMENTS.
BOTH PATHS MAY NEED TO BE PURSUED.
>> IT COULD BE. I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY EARLIER, COMMISSIONER, PARKING NEXT TO THE WATER.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DOWN HERE THAT PEDESTRIANS CAN ENJOY ON THE WATER, GRASSY, THAT THEY CAN JUST SIT THERE AND
100%. >> THAT COULD BE AN IDEAL THING THERE. THAT PEOPLE CAN LITERALLY JUST
COME AND JUST SIT. >> PUT A BLANKET DOWN.
>> PUT A BLANKET OR SMALL TENT OR WHATEVER TO BLOCK THE SHADE OR SUN. AND THAT WOULD BE A PEDESTRIAN AREA. THAT COULD PULL OFF SOME OF T THAT. YOU KNOW, A PEDESTRIAN WITHOUT THEIR RESPECTIVE CARS. THE MUSIC.
ET CETERA. THAT MAY PROVIDE AN ENVIRONMENT THERE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN ENJOY.
>> FITS WITH THE LINEAR PARK. >> FITS WITH LINEAR.
YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A NICE WAY TO GO THERE.
RIGHT? >> I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
>> GUYS, WE REALLY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL HERE.
IF YOU NEVER HAVE JUST SAT THERE, I HAVE GOTTEN MY CAR DUSTY JUST SITTING THERE LOOKING AT THAT WATER.
YOU SEE EVERYTHING. YOU SEE EVERYTHING.
RIGHT THERE. YOU SEE THE JETTY.
YOU SEE THE WAVES COMING IN. YOU ARE LUCKY YOU CAN CATCH --
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>> NORTH BEACH? >> YOU SEE EVERYTHING.
TO ME, THIS IS A GOLD MINE PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY OF
IT IS. >> HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY IT.
WHATEVER WE DO HERE, LET'S DO IT RIGHT.
I LOVE THE IDEA OF FAMILIES GOING OUT AND HAVING A PICNIC AND WATCHES. IF YOU GO THERE AND JUST STAND THERE, YOU CAN REALLY SEE WHAT WE HAVE IN FORT PIERCE ON THAT WATER. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL SIGHT.
AND SO I AGREE. I UNDERSTAND THE DUST BOWL.
I HAVE HAD DUST ON THE SHOES AND THE CARS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. COMMISSIONER, CURTIS JOHNSON, I'M OVER HERE JUST IMAGINING THE IDEA YOU JUST SAID.
YOU KNOW, JUST TO GO OUT AND HAVE A SATURDAY AFTERNOON, SUNDAY MORNING PICNIC LOOKING AT THE WATER.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I MIGHT HAVE TO GET ON COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON'S SIDE.
THE LAST THING I WANT TO SEE IS A PARKING LOT RIGHT THERE.
>> WELL, I HAD NOT GIVEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON'S SUGGESTION. I'M ABANDONING MY IDEA AND SAYING I LIKE HIS IDEA A LOT BETTER.
>> WE WANT IT TO LOOK A LOT BETTER.
A BETTER LOOK. >> THE ACCESS TO THE WATER AND THE VISTAS AND THE LINEAR PARK AND ALL OF THAT.
BY CREATING A PARK ENVIRONMENT THERE IS AN OUTSTANDING IDEA.
THERE IS NOT THAT MUCH WATERFRONT.
THEY DON'T MAKE ANY MORE OF IT. THIS IS A VALUABLE PIECE.
AND IT IS SPOT ON. WE COULD REALLY ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY. LOOK AT PORPOISE PARK.
THAT PLACE IS JAMMED. AND WE TOOK A SMALL SLIVER OF LAND AND CREATED SOMETHING PHENOMENAL THERE.
WE COULD DO THE SAME THING HERE. I WILL GIVE ALL THE CREDIT TO MY
PARTNER TO THE RIGHT HERE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, THE LAST THING I SAY IS WE DO HAVE TO-- I LOVE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S IDEA, BUT AS A STEWARD OF THIS BOARD, WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE SECOND PART OF WHAT COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON SAID. IF WE HAVE TO GET RID OF IT OR THERE IS A CHANCE FOR US TO GET RID OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE RIGHT PRICE, FOR US TO DO SOMETHING ELSE TO HELP THE RESIDENTS OR WHATEVER ELSE IS DOWN THERE, THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ALSO PUT IN THE BACK OF OUR HEADS.
AND JUST THINK. BECAUSE I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T EVER SIT UP HERE TO VOTE TO GIVE IT AWAY FOR NOTHING.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME. WHOEVER IS LISTENING.
IF THEY THINK THEY WANT IT, THEY BETTER COME WITH US.
BUT YOU CAN'T TAKE THAT OPTION OFF THE TABLE.
AS MUCH AS I WOULDN'T WANT TO GIVE IT UP AS A STEWARD SITTING IN THIS SEAT. I COULD USE THAT MONEY IF THEY WERE WILLING TO DO IT. TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
TO BETTER-- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO THINK THAT.
FOR RIGHT NOW, I'M LOVING THE IDEA THAT COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON SAID. MAKING A PARK THERE.
I ALSO UNDERSTAND WHERE COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON IS COMING FROM. BECAUSE IF THE RIGHT PERSON COMES TO DO SOMETHING AND WANTS TO SPEND THAT MONEY TO GET THAT VIEW I'M TALKING ABOUT, AND IT BENEFITS WHO WHOLE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF OUR HEADS, TOO.
>> AND I'LL JUST SAY, TOO, THAT THERE IS, NEAR THE AQUARIUM AND THE HIS MYSTERY MUSEUM, GRASSY AREAS, PICNIC TABLES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW HEAVILY THEY ARE USED.
THAT IS MANAGED BY THE COUNTY. I THINK YOU HAVE TO RESERVE SOME OF THOSE PAVILIONS. BUT THAT IS A REALLY NICE AREA
IT IS. AND I PASS BY THAT THE OTHER DAY. I WAS ACTUALLY AT AN EVENT AT CAUSEWAY COVE. IT WAS NOT HEAVILY UTILIZED THAT DAY. THIS IS MORE OF A GRASSY STRUCTURE. NOT FULL OF CONCRETE SHELTER.
WHATEVER. IT IS REALLY MORE GRASSY AND
ALLOWS FOR -- >> THAT IS GRASSY, TOO.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF PAVILIONS. >> RIGHT.
>> WELL, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, WHERE ARE WE IN YOUR THINKING?
YOU BROUGHT THIS US TO. >> I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA A LOT. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE PUT THIS ON ANOTHER CALENDAR SO WE CAN GIVE IT SOME THOUGHT AS TO WHAT-- THE DIFFERENT PATHS WE ARE GOING DOWN.
IT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS IT IN MORE DETAIL TO GIVE IT SOME REFLECTION.
THE PARK IDEA, YOU KNOW, PARKS AND WATERFRONT FOR THE CITIZENS, TO ME, THE MORE THE BETTER. IN THIS LOCATION, IT IS SIMPLY
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ONE OF THE BEST OUT ON THE BEACH.A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, I'M NOT A BIG ADVOCATE OF.
IN THIS INSTANCE. I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT KEPT PUBLIC. FOR PUBLIC ACCESS.
I'M REALLY SIGNING ON TO THAT IDEA.
I SUGGEST WE TABLE IT AND BRING IT UP AT ANOTHER MEETING.
FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> MADAM CHAIR, I AGREE WITH.
THAT I AGREE WITH THE PARK IDEA. THAT IS THE REASON I'M OPPOSED TO THE ASPHALT. UP NEAR THE WATER.
FOR THE EXACT REASON YOU ARE SAYING.
YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT MAKE THAT MISTAKE HERE OR JUST PAVE MORE OF IT. IT IS NOT REALLY A MISTAKE.
THE PARK HAS SERVED A GREAT PURPOSE.
SO WHOMEVER WAS INVOLVED AND MADE THE DECISIONS, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. THERE WAS A COMMITTEE.
I DON'T REMEMBER. THERE WERE A LOT OF FOACTS INVOLVED IN IT. INCLUDING THE PURCHASE.
I DON'T WANT TO NEGATE. THAT I SEE YOU LEARN FROM HISTORY. RIGHT? YOU LEARN FROM THE PAST. YOU LEARN HOW DO YOU GROW WITH A GROWING COMMUNITY AND HOW DO YOU PRESERVE WHAT WE CAN PRESERVE FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE RESIDENTS? YEAH. I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA.
I THINK THERE IS EVEN A LITTLE-- LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN AT THE BOTTOM, THAT GRASSY AREA KIND OF STICKS OUT AS A RECTANGLE. THAT IS PART OF THE PARCEL LINE.
THAT IS PROBABLY THE CONNECTION POINT TO THE DOT ROAD.
THERE IS STILL ACCESS TO THIS PARCEL.
WE WILL FIGURE OUT ANOTHER WAY. SQUARE GROUPER WAS PROBABLY DESIGNED WITH ACCESS POINTS YOU SEE.
THEY DIDN'T BUILD CUL-DE-SACS. THEY BUILT ACCESS TO OUR PARKING LOTS. THERE IS A LOT TO CONSIDER HERE.
BUT PRESERVING THE WATERFRONT WITH THE GRASSY AREA, I'M GOOD WITH THAT, TOO. I JUST THINK ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE ON THE PRIVATE SECTOR SIDE JUST BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
NOT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I'M VOTING FOR.
>> YEAH. WE HAVE TO CONSIDER ALL OPTIONS.
>> WE HAVE TO KIT AND MOVE ON WHEN IT GOES AWAY.
>> MR. MIMMS, DO OFF CLEAR IDEA OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO --
NOT REALLY. THIS IS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY TO YOU. ON THE OTHER HALF, AS THE CITY MANAGER, YOU ASK THE STAFF TO DO A PARKING STUDY.
IN THAT PARKING STUDY, WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS AMPLE PARKING IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, BUT THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE BEACH. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE BUSINESSES TOLD US WHEN WE MET WITH THEM A COUPLE YEARS BACK IS THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING FROM US, BUT THEY WANT PARKING.
SO THE PRESERVATION OF PARKING SHOULD BE, IN MY RECOMMENDATION, ONE OF THE HIGHEST PRIORITIES FOR THIS AREA.
SO IF YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A GRASSY PARK, HEY, I'LL DO WHATEVER YOU ALL TELL ME TO. WHEN WE MEET AS A CITY COMMISSION, THAT IS THE FEEDBACK I GET FROM OUR CONSULTANTS AND FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO YOU YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF EXEEFTING INTERESTS HERE. IT IS CLEAR, THE DIRECTION.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS A LATE-- AT A LATER DATE.
>> I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HERE HAS CLEAR DIRECTION FOR YOU.
I MEAN, I THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.
I'M SEEING IT WITH NEW EYES. S I SEE THAT PROPERTY EVERY DAY.
IT NEVER DAWNED ON ME THAT IT WAS UNATTRACTIVE.
IT JUST NEVER DAWNED ON ME. I'M USED TO SEEING IT.
AND GROWING UP HERE IN FORT PIERCE, LET ME TELL YOU.
THAT IS WHERE MOST OF THE PARKING-- THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT LOOKED WHEN YOU WENT TO THE BEACH.
>> STILL DOES. >> THE OLD HOTEL RIGHT THERE.
SO I'M KIND OF CONDITIONED FOR THAT IN A WAY.
BUT I THINK THAT ALL OF US, WE HAVE ALL THESE DIFFERENT IDEAS.
AND WE HAVE THESE COMPETING INTERESTS.
I THINK WHAT I HEAR US SAYING IS WE ARE COMING BACK TO LEAVE IT ALONE AND LET'S THINK ABOUT IT. IS THAT RIGHT?
>> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. >> YES.
>> THAT IS CLEAR DIRECTION. LEAVE IT ALONE AND LET'S THINK
ABOUT IT. >> I THINK OUR CITY IS GROWING.
AND THERE MAY BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WILL COME FORTH HERE VERY SHORTLY THAT WILL HELP MANIFEST.
WE HAVE CAST A VISION NOW. AT LEAST I HAVE AS TO WHAT I THINK THE CITIZENS MAY REALLY APPRECIATE.
RIGHT? AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS TAKING PLACE ON THAT WATER.
THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL PLACE TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT.
I THINK AS THINGS MANIFEST, AS THEY ARE, WE WILL HAVE SOME REAL CLEAR SOLUTIONS FOR PARKING OVER THERE AND OTHER THINGS GOING ON OVER THERE. THAT WILL, I THINK, PUT US IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT TO LOOK AT. THIS PARTICULARLY, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY RIGHT HERE. I THINK IT WILL BE OUR OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A BOLD STATEMENT, TO PUT SOMETHING OVER THERE THAT PEOPLE OF EVERY ERA, GENRE CAN ENJOY.
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AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO COME TO FRUITION PRETTY SOON.>> OKAY. YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
>> ALL RIGHTY. I THINK WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON.
WE HAVE KIND OF BEAT THIS TO DEATH.
[9. STAFF COMMENTS]
>> THE NEXT ITEM IS STAFF COMMENTS.
MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE HAVE OUR REPORT THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER AND COMPILED BY SARA DELGADO.
WE DO THIS REPORT EVERY MONTH. AND WE ARE HERE.
WE HAVE OUR PROJECT MANAGERS IN THE AUDIENCE.
AND WE CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE ABOUT ANY SPECIFIC
PROGRAM OR ACTIVITY. >> QUESTIONS?
>> NO, MA'AM. >> MS. DELGADO? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? MS. MANAGE-- MS. HARNAGE IS
[10. BOARD COMMENTS]
THERE. ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING?>> BOARD COMMENTS. >> I WAS CUTTING THE BOARD OFF.
WOULD ANYBODY DARE TO HAVE A COMMENT RIGHT NOW?
I HAVE A QUESTION. IF STAFF COULD UPDATE US, JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M REFRESHENED AND CONSISTENT AND CURRENT WITH THE KING'S LANDING PROJECT. JUST ANYTHING TO UPDATE WHERE THAT SITS. WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT CAN BE NOW. IT CAN BE PRIVATE.
HOWEVER YOU THINK. NOW IS GREAT, TOO.
>> OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER IS HERE TO GIVE US THAT
>> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE AUDUBON DEVELOPMENT IS ON TASK TO MEET THEIR FIRST MILESTONE WHICH IS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION IN SEPTEMBER. THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH A VARIETY OF REVISIONS TO THE PHASE ONE INFRASTRUCTURE BUILDING PERMITS, THE DPCR PROCESS. THEY HAVE REACHED AN APPROVAL.
THEY WILL BE COMING BACK BEFORE YOU, THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, THE CITY COMMISSION FOR A RE-PLAT OF THE TOWNHOMES. THERE WAS SOME REDESIGNING IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE SOME FEEDBACK FROM EDGARTOWN.
THEY RELOCATED THE GARAGE DOORS TO THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
WHICH ALLOWED FOR, I THINK, MAYBE TWO ADDITIONAL DOWNHOMES OVER THERE ON BACKUS AVENUE. THAT NEEDS TO BE RE-PLATTED.
THAT WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU. THEY ARE ON TASK AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED. EVERYTHING IS MOVING SMOOTHLY.
YOU ARE WELCOME. >> SHE SAID SEPTEMBER.
>> SEPTEMBER. THAT IS, LIKE, TWO WEEKS.
>> SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR.
I THINK HE IS TALKING ABOUT. YES.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? I THINK WE ARE GOING TO ADJOURN.
WE WILL TURN OUT THE LIGHTS. WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.