Aug 21, 2023 City Commission Regular Meeting

WILL THE CITY CLERK CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH THE ADVERTISING

AND NOTICE. >> THE ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM

HAS BEEN MET. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A THIS TIME ANY EXECUTIVE SESSION PAR DAY COMMUNICATION BY EACH MEMBER OF THE MISSION AND INVESTIGATIONS OR SITE ADVICE ITS CONDUCTED OR ANY EXPERTS OPINIONS PLEASE. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE

ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES, I I TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER OR PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

I ALSO HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH ONE OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, MR. MOWERY. AND THEN, OF COURSE, WHAT WAS

PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETINGS. >> OKAY.

COMMISSIONER GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, I HAVE TALKED TO THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

VISITED THE SITE. TALKED TO RESIDENTS IN THE AREA AND RESIDENTS OF OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YES, I VISITED THE SITE.

TALKED WITH THE DEVELOPER. TALKED WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND RECEIVED E-MAILS AND COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMU COMMUNITY.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ME TOO, E-MAILS AND COMMUNICATIONS.

FORGET ABOUT THAT. >> OKAY, COMMISSIONER C. JOHN ON

-- J. JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES, I SPOKEN TO RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THOSE NEARBY AND MEMBERS OF THE APPLICANT'S TEAM. IRRECEIVED WRITTEN AND E-MAIL

CORRESPONDENCE ADDITIONALLY. >> OKAY.

AND THEN MAYOR HUDSON. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I RECEIVED A LETTER FROM A RESIDENT WHO LIVES NEARBY AGAINST.

AND I HAVE RECEIVED E-MAILS AGAINST.

I HAVE RECEIVED PHONE CALLS FROM CONSTITUENTS AGAINST.

AND I HAVE ALSO DRIVEN BY THE SITE.

AND I LISTENED TO THE AUDIO RECORDING OF THE PUBLIC MEETING AND, OF COURSE, I WAS HERE FOR THE INITIAL HEARING.

>> THANK YOU, ALL. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I HAVE TO ADD, MISS COX. I HAVE TO ADD E-MAILS AS WELL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GAINES FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

>> THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO IT IS TIME TO

SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES. >> WOULD ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

THAT INCLUDES MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, IF YOU PLAN ON SPEAKING ON THIS ITEM. IF DO YOU SWEAR TO AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

>> YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY. WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK TONIGHT, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS CLEARLY AND TO STATE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT.

THE CITY STAFF WILL NOW MAKE ITS PRESENTATION ON THIS MATTER.

THIS IS THE TIME FOR QUESTIONS OF STAFF BY THE COMMISSION.

STAFF HAS A MAXIMUM OF 15 MINUTES, EXCLUDING ANY CROSS EXAMINATION OR QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

YOU MAY PROCEED. >> ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR, BEFORE YOU IS A APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR LOVE CENTER REGENERATION MINISTRIES.

>> STATE YOUR NAME. >>RYAN ALTIZER: I AM RYAN ALTIZER. THE APPLICANT IS DEBORAH MARTOHUE ESQUIRE AICP. PROPERTY OWNER ARE THE LOVE CENTER REGENERATION MINISTRIES. AND THE PARCEL ID 2408-123-008-00-2. IN SUMMARY, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE VERY RUE OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER LOCATED AT 311 AVENUE D.

THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO INSTALL THE UNMANNED WIRELESS FACILITY CONSISTING OF A 199-FOOT MONOPOLE AND ASSOCIATED GROUND EQUIPMENT WITH A 60-FOOTX-06-FOOT COMPOUND WITH ACCESS TO AVED. THE MONOPOLE IS HAVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR CARRIERS. THE LOCATION WITH THE SITE 3.47 GIVE OR TAKE ACRES. FUTURE LAND USE IS GC, GENERAL

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COMMERCIAL. AND THE ZONING AS WELL IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER AND ASSOCIATED WORK.

AGAIN, JUST ANOTHER VIEW OF THE SITE PLAN.

AND ONE MORE. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN BEING PROPOSED FOR THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS TOWER.

PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION AT MARCH 2023 MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT THE APPLICANT COULD HAVE A WAIVER OF THE FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK CONNECTION. CONDITION AND APPROVAL DOES NOT REMOVE THE APPROVAL FOR ANY IS YOU SEQUENT DEVELOPMENT AT 311 AVENUE D OR ADJACENT PROPERTY TO COMPLY WITH 16.317.

SIDEWALKS AND PUBLIC-PRIVATE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND ALL STREETS ABUTTING A PARCEL OF PROPERTY AND PARALLEL TO THE STREET.

THE RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF COMES WITH TWO CONDITIONS.

A FOE OFFICER TORTOISE SURVEY NEEDS TO BE CONDUCTED AND COMPLETION CERTIFICATION BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, COST ESTIMATE AND BOND 123.6 SHALL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED FOR THE SITE.

WENT THE WRONG WAY. THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO VOTE APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS BY STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD -- OR THREE CONDITIONS BY STAFF AND THE PLANNING BOARD.

THE ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS OF

STAFF? >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN.

>>RYAN ALTIZER: WHICH ONE WOULD YOU LIKE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE OVERALL AND THE CONNECTION TO AVENUE D THERE. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS IS BEING MADE AT THAT LOCATION. YOU MENTIONED SIDEWALK AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE REFERENCING AND THE IMPROVEMENTS AND WHAT EXISTS TODAY.

>>RYAN ALTIZER: THE CONNECTION RIGHT HERE OF THE STREET, BUT THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ANY SIDEWALK FOR THIS ADDED.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT WAS THE COMMENT THAT YOU MADE?

>>RYAN ALTIZER: YES. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: IS IT A -- WE ARE HOLDING OFF ON THE SIDEWALK? OR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ARE HOLDING OFF ON THAT?

>>RYAN ALTIZER: FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT BECAUSE OF HOW BIG IT IS, THE PLANNING BOARD AS WELL AS THE STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED TO NOT PUT THE SIDEWALK IN.

BUT IF ANYTHING IS BUILT ON THIS PROPERTY THAT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER, THEY WILL HAVE TO ABIDE BY OUR CODE AND ANY SIDEWALKS THAT NEED TO BE PUT IN FOR THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HOW ABOUT THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTION ITSELF? WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE

CONNECTING TO THE PAVED SURFACE? >>RYAN ALTIZER: THE DRIVEWAY IS -- I THINK THERE IS ALREADY ONE IN PLACE.

AND JUST ANY KIND OF ACCESS AROUND HERE.

THE MOST -- MOST OF THE ACCESS, THOUGH, FOR THIS IS BEING BUILT OFF OF -- INSIDE THE PARCEL ITSELF.

BUT THERE IS ALREADY A CONNECTION, I BELIEVE, TO THE

ROADWAY FOR THIS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY CHIME IN WHEN THEY COME UP.

BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS FAR AS THE PARAMETERS, WILL IT REQUIRE -- IF THIS WAS TO BE APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTION TO COMMENCE, DOES THE CITY REQUIRE A DRIVEWAY PERMIT IF NOTHING

EXIST AS SOON AS. >>RYAN ALTIZER: YES, IF NOTHING DOES EXIST AND THEY ARE BUILDING A DRIVEWAY, A PERMIT WOULD NEED

TO BE PLACED. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: OKAY,

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OTHER QUESTIONS

OF STAFF? >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: RYAN, WHAT IS THE ZONING?

>>RYAN ALTIZER: THE ZONING IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

UNDER THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONE, THIS IS AN ALLOWED USE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TOWER IS -- REQUIRES CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL IN ANY ZONING

CLASSIFICATION. >>RYAN ALTIZER: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: HOWEVER, THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL, IS THE BEST ADAPTATION OF THIS TYPE OF USE WOULD BE YOUR

SUGGESTION? >>RYAN ALTIZER: I WOULD SAY THAT INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL WOULD MAYBE BE THE BEST SUITS FOR A TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER. BUT GENERAL COMMERCIAL,C-3 ZONING --GC ZONING IS THE DEVELOPMENT FOR A COMMUNICATION

TOWER. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THE PROPERTY ITSELF IS THREE-PLUS-ACRES OF LAND.

MANY INSTANCES YOU SEE THIS ON SOME SMALLER LOTS WI WITH BUFFERING. I GET IT A CHALLENGE TO BUFFER SOMETHING 199 FEET TALL. THERE A BUFFER WITH THIS?

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>>RYAN ALTIZER: WITH THE LANDSCAPING, YES.

APPLICANT HAS MADE COMMENTS HOW IT WILL BE PRESENTED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. HOW THE TOWER WILL LOOK AND I

WILL LET THEM SPEAK ON THAT. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: OKAY.

ANY OTHER LEGISLATORY AGENCIES THAT HAVE OVERSIGHT OF THE INSTALLATION OF THIS TYPE OF A TOWER? IS IT FEDERAL OR STATE? EITHER THAN JUST A ZONING ISSUE? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF LIFE SAFETY QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THAT CANDIDLY ARE HIGHER PAY GRADE THAN ME.

SO CAN YOU JUST FILL ME IN ON WHAT THOSE OTHER AGENCIES ARE THAT HAVE PURSUE OVER THIS? RINE THE FAA IS OVER THIS.

I THINK THERE ARE FEDERAL REGULATIONS AS FAR AS MY KNOWLEDGE ON TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET.

AND AS FAR AS THAT, THAT IS ALL I KNOW FEDERAL.

FEDERALLY. I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THE STATE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MY ANALYSIS OF THIS SITUATION INDICATES TO ME -- YOU GO THROUGHOUT ZONING ORDINANCE WHAT A APPLICABLE AND NOT APPLICABLE. AND REQUIREMENT FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE IS -- IT IS -- IT IS VIRTUAL LY -- IT IS TECHNICAL, OKAY, AT LEAST FROM MY REVIEW.

I AM NOT A LAWYER BUT I REVIEWED THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION IN DETAIL. AND IT APPEARS THOUGH, IN THIS INSTANCE, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN CITE SITED FOR THIS SITE BECAUSE OF THE ZONING. AND IT ELIMINATES A VARIETY OF HURDLE SHE IS WOULD IS HAVE IN NILL R-1, R-2, 3 OR 4.

MY ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION AND THE CONDITIONAL USE ALMOST SEEMS IRRELEVANT. I HATE TO SAY THAT.

THAT IS WHERE THE CONDITIONAL USE IS HEADING RIGHT UP AGAINST THIS. THIS PARTICULAR USE.

BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENTS DON'T REALLY SEEM TO APPLY IN THIS INSTANCE. ALMOST AS IF THE PROPERTY IS ZONED FOR IT. AND THEIR APPLICATION IS BASED ON THAT ZONING. THAT IS MY SPECULATION ANYWAY.

WE WILL ASK THE APPLICANT IN MORE DETAIL WHEN THEY COME UP.

>>RYAN ALTIZER: AND THERE IS ALSO A SPECIFIC REGULATIONS IN OUR SESSION THAT COVER TELECOMMUNICATION TOWER SPECIFICALLY AND HOW TO REVIEW THEM.

AND THOSE ARE BEFORE YOU RIGHT N

NOW. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE OF THAT? OKAY, WHILE EVERYBODY ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS, I AM GOING TO READ

THROUGH THIS IN MORE DETAIL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? I HAVE JUST A COUPLE OF MINOR QUESTIONS.

THE SITE OF THE ACTUAL TOWER IS CLOSEST TO THE CANAL?

IS THAT CORRECT? >>RYAN ALTIZER: YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THERE WAS -- I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF THAT.

AND ACROSS THE CANAL IS A RECYCLING FACILITY AND -- AT THE FRONT AND THEN ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL --

>>RYAN ALTIZER: INDUSTRIAL ZONING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE

CANAL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CANAL. YEAH, RIGHT.

WHEN YOU SAY OTHER FEDERAL AGENCIES, YOU SAID THE FAA.

AND ARE -- IN FORT PIERCE, WE HAVE TO BE PARTICULARLY CAREFUL WHERE THESE ARE SITED BECAUSE OF THE TREASURE COAST INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. THAT'S CORRECT?

>>RYAN ALTIZER: YES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE FAA RULES ON THAT OR THE AIRPORT -- OR THE OFFICIALS AT THE AIRPORT RULE -- RULE WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR WHERE IT IS SITED?

>>RYAN ALTIZER: OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO

ANSWER THAT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: MAYBE THE APPLICANT WILL KNOW THAT. THIS IS THE -- YOUR LAST CHANCE TO ASK THE STAFF QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. SO NOW WE WILL ADD -- I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE.

AND -- DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> ME? >> DEBORAH MARTOHUE, MARTOHUE,

NORTH, ST. PETERSBURG. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WERE SWORN IN. I SAW YOU.

>> YES, I WAS SWORN IN. CAN I INTRODUCE THE TEAM THAT IS HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TEAM?

>>MAYOR: WELL, DO YOU THINK ANY OF THEM HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> I DON'T. DO YOU GUYS?

NO. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THIS IS WHEN WE EXCUSE THE STAFF. THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING YOU THAT. SO YOU MAY BE EXCUSED.

THANK YOU. SO NOW, YOU MAY -- YOU MAY START -- YOU MAY INTRODUCE -- YOU HAVE TOTAL OF 15 MINUTES.

YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU DO WITH THE 15 MINUTES.

>> AGAIN, DEBORAH MARTOHUE. I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT, THE PRESIDENT OF TOWERCOM, GEORGE DAVIS.

AND I'M HERE WITH THE PRESIDENT. RED TAIL OUR PLANNING CONSULTANT TED POWERRY. I THINK HOWARD IS HERE SOMEWHERE. HOWARD IS OUR RF ENGINEER IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF RF ENGINEERING.

OUR LANDOWNER JEROME RYAN IS HERE AND OUR ACQUISITION

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SPECIALIST, JEFF LINDSTROM IS HERE.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

I -- I TAKE THE ADMONISHMENT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PARTICULARS OF THE SITE. I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THOUGH YOUR OBSERVATION THAT WE ARE ON THE -- ON THE WESTERNMOST SIDE OF THE SITE, ADJACENT TO THE CANAL THAT WE DID INTENTIONALLY TO PLACE 12 AND A HALF TIMES THE SETBACK TO THE EAST WHICH IS OUR OWN RESIDENTIAL SIDE. THE REST IS COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND VACANT TO THE SOUTH.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

IF -- IF IT IS OKAY WITH YOU, WE ARE JUST GOING TO ADDRESS -- I AM GOING TO HAVE GEORGE DAVIS COME UP AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND WHAT WE DID THERE.

I ALSO WANT TO KNOW. WE WILL LEAVE THEM WITH THE CLERK FOR THOSE MEMBERS WHO ARE HERE TONIGHT WHO WEREN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE COMMUNITY MEETING. WE HAD SEVERAL HANDOUTS THAT WE WILL MAKE AVAILABLE THAT DEAL WITH SEC COMPLIANCE.

DIFFERENT ADMISSION THINGS. VERIZON'S AFFORDABILITY PLANS.

WE HAVE THEM AVAILLE AND GIVE THEM TO THE CLERK.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GIVE THEM TO THE OFFICER AND YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING YOU WANT WITH YOUR 15 MINUTES.

>> OUR PRESENTATION? >> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU THAT.

>> IF YOU GIVE US A SECOND TO GET THAT UP.

>> I WILL PULL IT UP AND TODD, YOU WANT TO RUN IT?

>>MAYOR: AND YOU HAVE -- OFF PERSON YOU WANT TO BRING UP NOW?

>> GEORGE, HE -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM TRYING TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR TIME, THAT'S ALL.

>> HE RAN THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND I WANT HIM TO TALK ABOUT

WHAT WAS SAID THERE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY.

AND SO STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND ADDRESS SIR.

>> GEORGE DATES OF, 516 NC HIGHWAY 65 IN DURHAM, NORTH CAROLINA. AS DEBORAH SAID VICE PRESIDENT OF TOWERCOM. I RAN THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND I WASN'T ABLE TO BE HERE DUE TO A CONFLICT AT THE FIRST MEETING BUT I WAS WITH THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING AND INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. WE HAD THE COMMUNITY MEETING AND POSTED AS YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE GET THE SLIDES UP, WE POSTED SEVERAL SIGNS AROUND PREVIOUS TO THE FIRST.

I SHOULD GIVE YOU QUICK BACKGROUND PREVIOUS TO THE FIRST MEETING BEFORE THE APPLICATION, WE SUBMITTED 50 LETTERS TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF THE OUTREACH AND DIDN'T GET ANYTHING BACK. WE HAD ONE PHONE CALL.

WE RETURNED THE PHONE CALL. THEY DIDN'T REPLY.

SO WE PROCEEDED WITH THE APPLICATION.

NO ONE CAME TO THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.

NO OBJECTIONS, NOTHING TO STAFF. LITERALLY UP UNTIL THE LAST MEETING. IT KIND OF CAME OUT OF NOWHERE FOR US. SO WE HAD THE SIGNS POSTED AT VARIOUS OBVIOUS LOCATIONS ALL AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

THAT IS CLOSE TO WHERE THE SITE IS.

THERE WAS ABOUT 12ISH -- 12, 15 PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT ATTENDED OUTSIDE OF OUR TEAM. THE PRIMARY CONCERNS WERE TYPICAL CONCERNS WE SEE AT VARIOUS COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THEY RANGE FROM, YOU KNOW, HEALTH CONCERNS TO PROPERTY VALUATION CONCERNS TO, YOU KNOW, WITH WHY HERE? AND WE TOOK GREAT TIME AS I THINK YOU SAID YOU LISTENED TO THE AUDIO OF THAT.

PROBABLY NOT GREAT QUALITY. BUT INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH ALL THESE BULLET POINTS, ANY ONE SPECIFIC WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT OR ANY UNDERSTANDING OF THAT COMMUNITY NIGHTING FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER, I AM HAPPY TO

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. ANYONE ELSE?

CURFEW DMOURZ QUESTIONS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I DO

HAVE A QUESTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR EXCUSE

ME, ONE A SECOND -- >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THEIR 15-MINUTE PRESENTATION REQUEST

QUESTIONS. >> I AM PAUSING IT WHEN YOU ASK

QUESTIONS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE TRYING TO -- YOU KNOW, BE FAIR. GO AHEAD.

PROCEED. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THE STANDARD CONCERNS WERE BROUGHT UP TO YOU.

AND THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE A VARIETY OF THOSE.

WHAT WAS YOUR TAKEAWAY. WHAT WERE THEIR PRIMARY CONCERNS

FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE? >> I THINK A LOT OF CONFUSION JUST WHAT A TOWER IS. I EXPERIENCE THIS ALL OVER EVEN FROM MEMBERS OF MY OWN FAMILY THAT KNOW ME FOR HOWEVER LONG.

A TOWER IS NO DIFFERENT THAN A MICROPHONE AND DESK.

NOT AN ANTENNA. IT SUPPORTS THE ANTENNAS WHERE IT CAN BROADCAST EFFECTIVELY FOR VERIZON AND THE WIRELESS CARRIERS. A LOT OF CONCERN THIS NEW 5G TOWER IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS IN FORT PIERCE. THE FACT IS, THERE IS A LOT OF TOWERS IN FORT PIERCE. IN FACT 178 OF THOSE SITES ALL AROUND FORT PIERCE THAT VERIZON IS ON, 15 OF THEM ARE ALREADY 5 G. NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE ONES YOU SEE DRIVING AROUND, THE EQUIPMENT THAT IS ON THEM, THE FREQUENCY COMING THROUGH THE ANTENNAS.

A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT 5G. I NOTICED THAT FROM THE FIRST

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HEARING AND I DID WATCH IT. 5G IS THE NEXT GENERATION OF WIRELESS. NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN 4G AND 3G HOW IT CAME ABOUT. YOUR NEXT GENERATION.

THE MICROSOFT OFFICE SUITE AND THE LATEST ONE FOR EXCEL, WORD, WHATEVER. IT COVERS MORE OF THE AREA AND YOU HAVE THIS TREMENDOUS ALONG LINCOLN AVENUE AND AVENUE D.

IT WAS A PROBLEM BEFORE AND EXACERBATED.

AND COVERS A SMALLER AREA. 79 TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT PART OF 4G RUNNING THROUGH FORT PIERCE FOR SEVERAL YEARS IS STILL PART OF 5G. 5G IS AN EXTRA LAYER THAT PROVIDES BETTER SPEEDS AND CAPACITY ON THE NETWORK.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.

AND THIS IS BASED ON A COMMENT THAT MAYOR HUDSON MADE RELATIVE TO THE AIRPORT. NOW AS MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS KNOW, I HAVE ZERO TECH CAPABILITY.

I CAN BARELY TURN ON A CELL PHONE LET ALONE FIND OUT ALL THIS COMPLICATED STUFF. HOWEVER, WE HAVE SEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS RELATIVE TO 5G TOWER INSTALLATIONS NEAR AIRPORTS.

A CONCERN RELATIVE TO PLANES BEING -- THEIR SELL COMMUNICATION OR ELECTRONICS BEING AFFECTED BY THE 5G NETWORK. IS THAT THE REASON WHY THE TOWER WILL REQUIRE FAA OVERSIGHT AND APPROVAL.

AND IF NOT, ANY ISSUE RELS I HAVE IT TO THE AIRPORT.

I WILL OPEN IT UP JUST THAT WAY. >> NO, SIR.

FIRST OF ALL, THE SITE I IS FAA-APPROVED.

WE HAVE THE FAA APPROVAL ALREADY.

DOES NOT REQUIRE LOCAL AIRPORT AUTHORITY.

NOT PART OF ANY OVERLAY DISTRICT.

THE SITE WILL NOT BE LIGHTED BECAUSE BELOW 200 FEET AND BELOW THE NO NOTICE HEIGHT TO THE FAA. SITES 200 FEET OR TALLER ARE REQUIRED TO BE APPROVED BY THE FAA AND HAVE OBSTRUCTION LIGHTING. THE WHY THE TOWER IS 19 TO A FOUR-FOOT LIGHTNING TO 199 WHERE THE ENGINEERS WANT TO COVER THE AREA EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT TRIGGERING THE NEED TO HAVE A LIGHT ON IT. BECAUSE IT IS PROXIMATE TO RESIDENTIAL, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE A TOWER IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT HAD THE LIGHT ON IT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT. OCCASIONALLY THOSE LIG LIGHTS MALFUNCTION AND GO TO WHITE MODE AND STROBE AT NIGHT.

WHENEVER A TOWER THAT IS STROBING WHITE, MEANS THAT IT IS NOT WORKING RIGHT. IT SHOULD BE GLOWING RED LIKE A LUMINESCENCE RED. THIS SITE WILL BE REGISTERED ONCE EVERYTHING IS APPROVED THROUGH THE FCC THROUGH AN ANTENNA REGISTRATION. A FULL N EPA PROCESS TO HAVE IT BUILT. WE HAD PHASE ONE OF NEPA, THE STAFF THAT MADE THE CON I THINK IT AGAIN SOUTHEAST GOPHER TORTOISE. NONE PRESENT.

BUT THOSE THINGS MOVE. WE WILL DO ANOTHER ONE WHEN STARTS CONSTRUCTION AND IF THERE IS, WE WILL MITIGATE IT AND

COMMON IN PART OF THE WORLD. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

MADAM MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: C. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: THE SPAN OF 5G TECHNOLOGY.

THE NEED IS -- YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT IT COVERS LESS AREA WHEN IT COMES TO 5G, RIGHT. AND YOU MENTION 5G TERRITORY OR

TOWER, I DID HEAR YOU SAY THAT. >> MORE OR LESS.

YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE DIFFERENT GENERATION OF WIRELESS TO 4G AND 5G, EACH TIME -- IF YOU HAD A TOWER EVERY 16 MILES, THE NEXT TIME THEY SPLIT IT AND SPLIT IT.

SO THEY KEEP SPLITTING THESE CELLS AND KEEP GETTING SMALLER AND SMALLER. WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY COVERING THE AREA.

IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY, THEY HAVE TO REDUCE THE FOOTPRINT. OTHER REASONS WHY THAT HAPPENINGS. WE ARE FINDING THESE HARDER SITES THAT WE ARE HAVING TO COME BEFORE BOARDS LIKE THIS ALL AROUND THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THE NETWORK IS GETTING MORE DENSE.

MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE RELYING ON THEM.

86% OF 911 CALLS COME FROM WIRELESS DEVICES.

60% OF HOUSEHOLDS DON'T USE LAND LINES ANYMORE.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE EXPECT IT TO WORK IN EVERY ROOM, STREAM THEIR FAVORITE TV SHOW, DO FACETIME, WHATEVER.

IN ORDER FOR THAT TO WORK, THE DENSIFICATION OF THOSE CELLS HAVE TO GET SMALLER AND SMALLER. THE CELLS THAT COVERED THE AVENUE D AREA THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF, YOU KNOW, THE LAST FEW YEARS IN FORT PIERCE, THEY NO LONGER CAN HANDLE THAT.

PART OF IT IS TRAFFIC ON THE NETWORK AND PART OF IT IS WHAT THE PEOPLE ON THAT NETWORK ARE ASKING THOSE PHONES TO DO.

SO THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE USING IT, THOSE AREAS SHRINK, AND YOU END UP WITH THESE HOLES LIKE THE ONE YOU SEE ON THE BOARD THERE. AND THAT IS WHAT IT WILL BE AFTER WE FILLED IN. THE RED BEING THE REALLY GOOD, INSIDE YOUR HOUSE, WHICH IS T - REALLY WHAT THE GOAL IS.

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THIS SITE IS DESIGNED TO COVER THIS COMMUNITY.

NOT ANYWHERE ELSE IN FORT PIERCE.

JUST DESIGNED TO COVER THIS AREA.

THE WAY TOWERS WORK. NOT LIKE YOU ARE SHOOTING THE SIGNAL SOMEWHERE ELSE. RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE IS WHERE YOU

GET THE BEST COVERAGE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WITH THAT BEING SAID, IF THERE ARE 4G TECHNOLOGIES HERE CURRENTLY WITH VERIZON INSIDE THIS SPECTRUM, COULD THOSE BE

UPDATED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS? >> THEY ARE.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: 4G SITES ARE BEING UPGRADED.

>> 15 OF THE 17 HAVE ALREADY BEEN UPGRADED IN THE COMMUNITY.

THIS ONE, 4G WORKS WITH 5G. LIKE IF YOU HAVE -- THIS DID A SILLY ANALOGY. IF YOU HAVE A TAPE DECK IN YOUR CAR AND YOU GET A CD, YOU DON'T USE THE CAPACITY OF USING THE TAPE DECK. ALL THE 4D TECHNOLOGY THAT THEY HAD, THEY STILL HAVE THE FREQUENCIES THAT THEY USE AND PUT THAT TO WORK. SO 5G IS JUST AN UPGRADE OF 4G.

THE 4G AND 5G TECHNOLOGIES. LTE.

THEY RUN CONCURRENTLY TOGETHER. BASICALLY BRINGING A BIGGER PACKAGE. NOT LIKE A REPLACE.

SO 5G DOESST DUGS NOT REPLACE 4G BUT AN ADDITION ON TOP OF 4G.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YOU SAID TOWERS HAVE BEEN

UPGREATED TO 5G. >> 15 OF THE 17 ARE ALREADY RUNNING 5G, WHICH IS PART OF THE REASON YOU SEE THIS AREA GETS BIGGER, THE PROBLEM GETS BIGGER BECAUSE THOSE TOWERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN UPGRADED. YOU REDUCE THE AREA OF ONES THAT ARE ALREADY HERE CREATES THESE HOLES THAT THEN HAVE TO BE FILLED AND LARGELY WHAT THIS SITE IS HERE TO DO.

AND PROVIDE COVERAGE ENHANCEMENT FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND

AROUND THE COMMUNITY. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

THANK YOU. >> THE RANGE IS --

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: ON THE RANGE.

>> SORRY, THE RANGE IS ROUGHLY HALF A MILE IN AN URBAN AREA.

A MILE WIDE AREA. LITTLE BIT BIGGER.

FURTHER AWAY YOU GO, THE WORST IT GETS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ARE YOU GOOD? COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. MY QUESTION GOES BACK TO THE

COMMUNITY MEETING. >> YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I SAW WHERE YOU SAID, I THINK, 12 PEOPLE, 13 -- 12. ACOUPLE OF COUPLES, BUT ROUGHLY 12 TO 15 PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY.

CURFEW. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: AND I SEE THE SIGNS THAT YOU PUT UP. MY QUESTION IS, OTHER THAN THE SIGNS THAT YOU PUT UP, HOW DID YOU ADVERTISE THIS MEETING IN THE COMMUNITY OTHER THAN THE SIGNS?

>> WELL, WE DID LETTERS THE LAST TIME.

AND AFTER THE LAST MEETING, OUR ATTORNEY AND OUR MEMBERS WHO WERE HERE WERE LARGELY TOLD THEY DON'T READ THEIR MAIL OR LOOK AT

THEIR MAIL -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN --

>> WE SENT OUT 50 SOMETHING LETTERS FOR THE FIRST MEETING AND NONE OF THEM WERE RETURNED TO US AND HAD RETURN ADDRESSES AND PHONE NUMBERS FOR INFORMATION.

WE RECEIVED ONE PHONE CALL. BASED ON THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT HAD BEEN BEFORE WHERE ONLY ONE SIGN POSTED.

WE WANTED A SMOOTHER OF SIGNS THROUGHOUT VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE PUT THE SIGNS UP. THAT WAS OUR ONLY EFFECTIVE MEANS OF GETTING THE WORD OUT TO THE COMMUNITY PUTTING THEM IN SIDEWALKS AND CORNERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: DID YOU PUT ANY NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER

OR RADIO ADS TO THIS MEETING. >> NO, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY WAY TO EFFECTIVELY DO THAT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

WE PUT THESE OUT, AS WE SAID, OVER A WEEK IN ADVANCE, A WEEK BEFORE. I THINK IT WAS TWO WEEKS.

THEY WERE OUT THERE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND REMAINED.

AND WE PROVIDED VARIOUS INFORMATION AT THAT MEETING AND TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE TO OTHERS AFTERWARDS ALONG WITH PHONE NUMBERS. THEY CALL US.

AGAIN, WE HAD NO CONTACT WITH MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SINCE

THEN. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: OKAY,

THANK YOU. >> NO FOLLOW-UP DIRECTLY TO US,

IS MY POINT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE COMMUNITY -- ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY FOR THE COMMUNITY MEETING?

>> ON THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE OTHER BIG POINTS THEY MADE OF THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT THESE SITES BEING LOCATED IN IN AREAS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, I GUESS, OF A CERTAIN SOCIOECONOMIC CONDITION. AND WE WENT AROUND VARIOUS PARTS OF FORT PIERCE, AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE PRESENTATION, THERE ARE SEVERAL TOWERS IN DENSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS ALL THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. SO SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF OTHER SITES IN FLORIDA.

AND VERY -- VERY DENSELY RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AS I SAID, THE POINTS OF THE COVERAGE IS TO GET COVERAGE INTO THESE RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE PEOPLE USE THEIR PHONES AND LIVE AND WORK. IF YOU PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, IT WON'T COVER WHERE THE COVERAGE IS NEEDED.

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THIS RAISES THE SAFETY OF THOSE AREAS BY RESPONSES, THE ACCURACY AND THE TIMING OF THOSE RESPONSES HAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMERCE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO USE FROM HOME AND ABLE TO USE THE TECHNOLOGIES WITHOUT HAVING REDUNDANT SERVICES LIKE THE INTERNET AND LAND LINE AND THINGS THEY CAN GET THROUGH THE WIRELESS IT HE VICE. THE TYPES OF ISSUE THAT WE ADDRESSED. WE SHOWED THESE ARE LOCATED ALL OVER THE COMMUNITY, AND NOT JUST IN THE LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY.

HERE ARE SOME VARIOUS SLIDES. YOU CAN SEE THE JUXTAPOSITION OF THESE TOWERS RELATIVE TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS WHICH SPEAKS TO CONCERNS OF PEOPLE LIVING NEAR A TOWER AND PROPERTY VALUES. THESE ARE NEW HOMES.

SO NOTHING THERE. WE HAD A PROPERTY STUDY DONE, SPECIFIC TO THE YEAR THAT WE PROVIDED TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. MISS TRUSDALE AND HER HUSBAND RECORDED THE MEETING AND PROVIDED TO HER.

MISS MARJORY AND NOT BEING OF THE COMMUNITY AND KNOWING EVERYBODY, BUT, YEAH, THAT INFORMATION WAS DISSEMINATED.

WE IS ALSO AN RF STUDY DONE BY A THIRD PARTY THAT TALKED OF THE IMPACTS OF THE TOWER, THE SAFETY, THE HEALTH EFFECTS, AND ALL THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND PART OF YOUR PACKET.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: ONE QUICK QUESTION.

THIS TOWER, 100% FOR CONSUMER OR OTHER RADIO FREQUENCIES FOR VERIZON TO BE USED, IE, MUNICIPALITY, LAW ENFORCEMENT,

ETC. >> THE QUESTION IS, THE TOWER ITSELF. VERIZON IS THE ANCHOR TENANT.

A LETTER OF INTEREST FROM DISH WIRELESS WHICH IS BOOST MOBILE.

AND T-MOBILE IS LOOKING AT GOING ON THE TOWER HAND THIS COMMITMENT IS ABOUT TO BE SIGNED.

PENTAGON FREQUENCIES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

I WAS TALKING TO THE OFFICERS BEFORE THE MEETING.

AT ANY TIME USED FIRST NET FOR FIRST RESPONDERS BUT THE TOWER ITSELF IS A PHYSICAL STRUCTURE. IF THE COMMUNITY NEEDED TO PUT SOMETHING ON IT TO HELP WITH COMMUNICATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS OR WHATEVER, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THEM ON IT.

NOT EXCLUSIVELY FOR VERIZON. VERIZON USES RANGE FROM COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND PRIVATE DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

IT DOES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

YES, MA'AM, WE ARE BACK TO YOU. >> DEBORAH MARTOHUE.

JUST WANT TO WRAP UP. I THINK WE COVERED THE COMMUNITY MEETING. AND WE AIR DRESSED HEALTH CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY WITH HANDOUTS.

WE ARE SHOWING YOU -- IT WAS A REALLY BIG ISSUE THAT PEOPLE AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WHERE THE TOWERS ARE, RIGHT, IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND YOU CAN SEE BY THAT ONE MAP THAT HAD ALL THE STARS.

AND REMEMBER I TALKED AT THE FIRST MEETING SAYING NOTICE NORTH OF IN NORTH PART OF FORT PIERCE ARE THE AIRPORT.

AND THERE IS NOT MANY STAR THERE IS BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT NOT BEING IN FLIGHT PATHS.

OURS IS APPROVED AND THAT SHERIFF'S OFFICE SOME OF THEM DOWN. YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE AL ALMOST EQIDISTANT. THEY ARE AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

ALONG THE MAJOR CORRIDORS LIKE WE ARE PROPOSING AND WE ALSO PROVIDED EXAMPLES OF TOWERS NEAR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES FOR THE REASONS GEORGE SAID. SO JUST FLIPPING THROUGH REALLY QUICK. WE DID WANT TO SAY THERE WAS SOME MENTION ABOUT, DO WE WORK WITH THE HOUSING SNORTS I PUT IN OUR POWERPOINT THAT WE ACTUALLY -- A COUPLE OF COMBAFRMS LIKE IN CLEARWATER AND FORT MYERS THAT WE WORK WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITIES THAT WIRELESS DOESN'T DISCRIMINATE.

WE WANT TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO EVERYONE, NO MATTER THE SOCIOECONOMIC CLASS -- LET'S SEE.

OH, AND ALSO WHO -- A LOT OF PE PEOPLER THAT W.H.O. THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION WAS ANTI-WIRELESS AND I PASSED OUT HANDOUTS.

W.H.O. HAVE NO SCIENTIFIC -- NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OF ANY ADVERSE HEALTH EFFECTS BY WIRELESS COMMUNICATIONS.

THEY STUDIED THIS WORLDWIDE AND IT IS A HIGHLY, HIGHLY REGULATED AREA. I HAVE PROVIDED ALL THAT SOME OF THE HANDOUTS OF THE RF OF THIS PARTICULAR TOWER WAS STUDIED.

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I WILL BE GIVING A FULL PACKET OF OUR HANDOFF TO THE SERGEANT-AT-ARMS. EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED AND PROVIDED AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING.

I THINK -- I WOULD LIKE -- I AM SURE I AM RUNNING OUT OF TIME.

I HAVE SEVEN MINUTES. IF IT IS OKAY WITH YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN I CAN JUST WRAP UP WITH MEETING THE CONDITIONAL USE STANDARDS.

I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, YOU HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. DO YOU WANT ME TO DO IT NOW OR

AT THE END. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHY DON'T DO YOU IT NOW BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY AT THE END TO CLOSE

OUT ANYWAY AFTER THE PUBLIC. >> SO YOU HAVE VERY SPECIFIC --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER J.

JOHNSON. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WHEN

SHE IS FINISHED PRESENTING. >> YOU HAVE SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR CONDITIONAL USE STANDARDS. I WANT TO GO OVER THOSE.

WE AGREE WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BASED ON THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING. WE ARE ADJACENT TO COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE NORTH AND WEST.

BANK ATLANTA TO THE SOUTH. WE MAXIMIZED OUR DISTANCE FROM THE RESIDENTIAL TO THE EAST, 12 AND A HALF TIMES OTHER THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES. AN UNMANNED FACILITY THAT HAVE ZERO IMPACT ON PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITIES.

SO FAR NO IDENTIFIED ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVE CONDITIONS. WE WILL DO THE GOPHER TORTOISE SURVEY RIGHT BEFORE CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THOSE GUYS ARE PRETTY MOBILE. THEY MOVE AROUND A LOT.

THERE ARE NO EXISTING COLLOCATION OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE WHICH WE REVIEWED ON THESE MAPS.

THIS WILL PROVIDE MUCH, MUCH BETTER COVERAGE IN A CONGESTED AREA. AND WE ARE OFFERING AT LEAST FOUR COLLOCATION OPPORTUNITIES, WHICH WILL ENCOURAGE COLLOCATION AND REDUCE FUTURE TOWER PROLIFERATION IN THE AREA.

WE HAVE APPROVAL -- A RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 7-0 BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND CONCUR WITH STAFF'S REPORT AND FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION. I KNOW THEY ARE NOT UP HERE, BUT I WANT TO THANK THEM. THEY ARE VERY HELPFUL.

WE STARTED THIS PROCESS LAST SUMMER, AND THEY HAVE BEEN JUST VERY HELPFUL IN GIVING US DIRECTION AND ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS AND BEING RESPONSIVE AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. WE HAVE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE TECHNICAL PEOPLE HERE AS WELL.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANKS.

I THINK COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON HAS A QUESTION OF YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES, THANK YOU.

TALK ABOUT YOUR PRESENTATION. GO TO THE SITE PLAN.

POSSIBLY I ASKED THE QUESTION OF THE CONNECTIVITY TO AVENUE D AND

THE DRIVEWAY. >> SURE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: BEFORE I GO THERE, YOU JUST MENTIONED IN YOUR BULLET POINT LIST NO ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS THAT COMPTON YOUR RADAR, NO CONCERNS?

>> THAT IS THE NEPA STUDY THAT IS DONE, WHICH IS VERY, VERY

EXTENSIVE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I WANT TO TALK OF THE DEVELOPMENT SIDE OF IT.

THE TURNING DIRT. >> OKAY.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I NOTICE YOU WILL HAVE BACK-UP

POWER GENERATION ON THE SITE? >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HOW IS THAT FUELED? I THINK I ASKED THIS QUESTION LAST TIME.

I WANT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD. WHAT IS THE FUEL SOURCE FOR THE GENERATOR AND IS IT SELF-CONTAINED.

>> SORRY? YEAH.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HAS TO BE ON RECORD.

YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN.

>> GEORGE DAVIS. AND I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

I BELIEVE FROST PAIN. THE -- YEAH, PROPANE.

BECAUSE IT IS DIESEL-SENSITIVE BECAUSE COUNTRY ADJACENT WATER.

USUALLY WHEN THAT IS THE CASE, IT WILL BE PROPANE.

VERIZON HAS, LIKE, A 200-FOOT BUFFER.

IF 200 FEET, CONTAINED NOT DIESEL OR ANY OTHER FUEL TYPE.

THE NATURAL GAS LINE WHICH IS ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY.

THERE IS NOTHING GETTING IN THE WATER.

THEY USED A BATTERY BACK-UP SYSTEM.

SO IT IS A TWO FOLD. AS YOU KNOW THESE THINGS ARE THE LAST THINGS THAT GO DOWN IN A HURRICANE AND THE FIRST THING TO COME BACK UP TO GET EVERYTHING TALKING.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS CRITICAL THAT THESE ARE POWERED AT ALL TIMES. AND THE -- THE EARLY QUESTION OF THE CURB CUTS, SORRY, AN EXISTING DRIVE HERE, IF WE GO THROUGHOUT BUILDING PROCESS, IF THEY REQUIRE IMPROVEMENT TO THE APRON, CONCRETE OR WHATEVER. THAT WILL ALL BE DONE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION WITH THAT. THERE IS A GATE TO THE PROPERTY IF I SAW THE SITE PLAN CORRECTLY UP IN THE TOP CLOUDED REASON,

ABOVE THE FENCING AND THE GATES? >> A GATES OF THE FENCED AREA AROUND THE BASE OF THE TOWER WHERE THATS THAT THE SENSITIVE EQUIPMENT AND THE METER. EVERYTHING THAT IS SENSITIVE WILL BE CONTAINED AND SECURED IN THERE WITH A LOCKED GATE.

THERE WILL NOBODY GATE AT THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THE SITE ITSELF IS CONTAINED HAND THIS IS VERY STANDARD AND SURROUNDED BY THE LANDSCAPING REQUIRED BY THE CODE -- THE

ORDINANCE AND STAFF. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: RIGHT. SO THE TOWER IS PART OF THIS PARCEL THAT IS SHOWN ON THE MAP HERE, RIGHT?

>> THE TOWER IS THE SMALL LITTLE CIRCLE INSIDE THE SQUARE.

THE OTHER CIRCLE IS -- FALLS IN THE SETBACK.

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THAT DASHED LINE BEING CIRCLED RIGHT NOW, THE ENGINEERED FALL ZONE IF IT EVER FAILED IN CATASTROPHIC IT WOULD BEND LIKE A STRAW AND STAY WITHIN THAT CIRCLE.

EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ONE OF THESE, YOU CAN LOOK AT EVIDENCE. IT WOULD BLEND LIKE IF YOU BEND A PLASTIC STRAW. THAT WILL BE -- EVERYTHING ELSE

IS GONE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ANY OTHER EVIDENCE WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AS FAR AS THE PARCEL ITSELF, THE OVERALL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE, THE EXISTING SITE. WE ARE ON A CONDITIONAL USE.

A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT APPROVAL PROCESS.

THERE ARE SOME PLANNING OBJECTIVES.

THIS IS A SPECIAL CONDITION THAT IS BEING ASKED FOR ON THIS INDIVIDUAL PARCEL. SO THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, AND WHY I WAS TALKING OF THE APRON AND DRIVEWAY, CONNECTIVITY, IF IT IS COMMERCIAL, RETAIL, RESIDENTIAL. ALWAYS DIFFERENT CONDITIONS.

YOU ARE THE EXPERT, YOU KNOW. SO TALK TO MY ABOUT WHAT IMPROVEMENTS OUTSIDE OF JUST THE SMALL FOOTPRINT ARE HAPPENING ON

THE PARCEL, IF ANY. >> WELL, THIS IS AN UNMANNED SITE. SO USUALLY ONLY A TECH PERSON GOING OUT THERE IN A, EMERGENCY SITUATIONS WHICH EVERYBODY IS TRYING TO GET BACK UP OR JUST ROUTINE MAINTENANCE AND UPGRADING EQUIPMENT USUALLY LIKE ONCE A QUARTER.

THERE IS AN EXISTING PAVED DRIVEWAY ALREADY.

THE PART THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED THAT YOU SEE THERE, THAT IS WHERE -- WE ARE ADDING A STABILIZED DRIVE OFF THE EXISTING DRIVE THAT IS ALREADY THERE, JUST TO GET OVER TO OUR SECURED COMPOUND. AS GEORGE SAID, IF THERE IS ANY UPGRADING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING IN TERMS OF A CURB CUT, WE HAVE TAKE CARE OF THAT AT -- AT THE TIME OF, YOU KNOW, BUILDING PERMIT.

WE ARE NOT REMOVING ANY TREES. WE ARE NOT AFFECTING DANIAAGE.

WE ARE USING THE SPECIFICALLY SITED THIS IS TO AVOID -- THERE IS A RETENTION POND AND WE ARE NOT AFFECTING THAT.

TREES TO THE SOUTH. OF COURSE WE HAVE A THE CANALS TO THE SOUTH AND THE WEST AND UTILIZE WHAT IS OUT THERE TO HELP MITIGATE AND BUFFER AND ADDING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

WE ARE ASKING NOT TO DO IT. AND A FEW EXISTING TREES AROUND.

WE NOTED THOSE AND NOT TAKING ANYTHING OUT.

I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION.

WE SPECIFIC. .<,NEW LINE>>>\ I SPECIFIC LIE SITED IT TO USE WHATEVER IS MATURE AND THERE AND NOT REMOVE

ANYTHING. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: A GOOD EXPLANATION AND I UNDERSTOOD.

THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER, IN 60 X 60.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: OH, SORRY.

>> THE POUND IS 60 X 60. NOT ONLY BUFFERING VISUALLY AESTHETICALLY, IT OFFERS A SECURITY BARRIER.

AND WE WILL LANDSCAPE TO CODE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: IN YOUR OPINION -- YOUR CONVERSATIONS.

I HEARD THE COMMUNITY MEETING. I HEARD DISCUSSION.

I HEARD FROM RESIDENTS. I HEARD FROM YOU GUYS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE -- THE SCRUGGS DRIVEN ON THE PROXIMITY OF REFERRING NEIGHBORHOODS. PROUF POSED A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO GENERALLY MAKE 70 XHSHGS 70 SQUARE AND CONNECTED TO PARCEL.

AND ADJACENT TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS.

ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONCERNS EXPRESSED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WHETHER IT IS AT AVENUE D OR EASTERN PARCEL PROPERTY LINE. ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON TO HELP MITIGATE THE CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC AND SOME OF THEM WERE AESTHETIC AND SOME WITH THE POWER.

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD AESTHETICS. I HEARD A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT HEALTH, AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY PROHIBITED BY THE FEDERAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A MEETING A LOT OF INFORMATION AND MISINFORMATION FRANKLY ON THE INTERNET. THAT IS WHY WE WENT -- I BROUGHT EXTRA HANDOUTS THAT WEREN'T HERE AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT DISCUSS -- I MEAN, YOUR BABY MONITORS, YOUR FLAT-SCREEN TVS, YOUR DISHWASHER, YOUR MICROWAVES.

IF YOU USE EAR BUDS, YOUR BLUE TOOTH.

WAY WORSE FOR YOU -- STILL IN SAFE COMPLIANCE, BUT MUCH HIGHER

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POWER EMITTING THAT CLOSE RANGE. THESE ANTENNAS ARE FAR.

THEY ARE UP IN THE SKY. AND SO THE FURTHER YOU ARE AWAY FROM THEM, THE LESS, I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE -- OUR SAFETY STUDY SAYS WE ARE 1/1,000TH OF THE MAXIMUM THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY THE FCC FOR EMISSIONS TO THE CLOSEST RESIDENCE WHICH IS MORE THAN 300 FEET AWAY. AND THAT IS IN RFC.

THAT WAS WEAVED IN OUR RFC FEE STUDY FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE.

1/1,000TH WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY THE FCC TO HAVE IN TERMS OF EMISSIONS EXPOSURE. SO I CAN ASSURE -- AND IN ONE OF THE HANDOUTS THAT I GAVE, SHOW THE POWER EMISSIONS FROM VERY COMMON HOUSE HOLD THINGS THAT WE ALL HAVE.

MICROWAVES, DISHWASHERS, BABY MONITORS, TVS, ETC.

THOSE ALL EMIT EMISSIONS. SO THAT'S -- WHAT I HEARD IN TERMS OF AESTHETICS. IF WE CAN GO BACK SO SOME OF THE

PHOTO SIMS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HE FLIPPED THROUGH THE SLIDES WHILE YOU WERE TALKING.

>> RIGHT IN THIS CONGESTED AREA ESPECIALLY FROM THE INTERCHANGE OF INGLE ROAD. GO BACK.

THERE. A LOT OF ABOVEGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS ALSO ANALYZED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IN OUR REPORT, SPECIFIC FOR THIS SITE HE HAS BEEN DOING THIS FOR 40 YEARS AND DEALS WITH TOWERS.

HIS CONCLUSION IS BECAUSE OF ALL THE ABOVEGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS AREA, COULD YOU NOT SEPARATE OUT THE TOWER AS BEING ANYTHING THAT IS DIFFERENT IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE GOING ON IN THIS AREA.

OKAY. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: ALL RIGHT. THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION.

AND I SEE IT. HOW ABOUT JUST THE FRONTAGE OF AVENUE D. THIS IS A SPECIAL REQUEST IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT. SO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER, THE APPLICANT, ETC. ARE THERE ANY IMPROVEMENTS AT AVENUE D. ANYTHING THAT CAN BE -- YOU KNOW TO BEAUTIFY THE INTERSECTION, THE CORRIDOR, ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE OR ARE GOING TO BE DONE.

>> I THINK RIGHT NOW WE ARE AN UNMANNED FACILITY.

WE ARE TUCKED WAY BACK IN THE SITE I BELIEVE.

THE LANDOWNER HAS -- I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OR IF HE IS FINISHED NOSE. HE WILL BE DEVELOPING THE SITE IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN THEY WILL ADDRESS THAT SIDEWALK AND ANY KIND OF LANDSCAPING THAT GOES THERE DEPENDING ON WHAT HE DEVELOPS THE SITE FOR.

WE ARE WAY BACK. JUST THIS LITTLING -- WE ARE LIKE 2% OF THE SITE. AND --

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: BUT YOU ARE ON A LARGE PARCEL.

I UNDERSTAND A SMALL POSTAGE STAMP IN THE LARGE ENVELOPE.

I GET IT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ONE OF YOUR TEAM WANTS TO CHIME IN HERE. SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE.

>> GEORGE DAVIS, TOWERCOM. BY THE PICTURE TREES ALONG AVENUE DD. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THE WIDTH MEETS DOT AND BUILDING REQUIREMENTS.

HOWEVER, IF THE NEED TO PUT SUPPLEMENTAL LANDSCAPING TO MAKE THE ENTRANCE MORE ATTRACTIVE THAT WILL NOT INTERFERE, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT EVEN IF IT IS TEMPORARY.

OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT IS NOT GERMANE TO WHAT IS BEING PUT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND PLANS FOR THE FUTURE PROPERTY THAT WILL BE LATER PHASES OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPERTY AS A PROPERTY OWNER, BUT THE TOWER IS THE FIRST NEW IMPROVEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.

AGAIN IF TEMPORARILY IT MAKES SENSE TO PUT THINGS THAT WOULD MAKE THAT ENTRANCE MORE ATTRACTIVE, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THAT. AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION, SOME OF THE DEBRIS LOGICALLY WILL HAVE TO BE REMOVED.

WE KNOW INNER DEBRIS. VARIOUS LANDSCAPING THINGS.

PROPERTY WILL BE CLEANED UP TO AN EXTENT BECAUSE A LOT OF THAT IS IN OUR PROJECT AREA. TO HAVE FREE AND CLEAR ACCESS, THAT WILL BE A MULTISTAGE THING. PART OF IT IS WITH US, AND OUR UNDERSTANDING A MR. RYAN HAS FUTURE PLANS OF THE PROPERTY AND PLANNING BOARD SUGGESTED WHAT WE DID OF THE IMPACT OF THE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE IT IS UNMANNED AND NO SIDEWALK ON EITHER SIDE AND DON'T WANT TO SKIRT THAT AND REALLY ILLOGICAL AND THE NEAR TERM FUTURE PLANS OF THE PROPERTY TO DO IT AS PART OF OUR

APPLICATION. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I UNDERSTAND THAT AND ALL GOOD REASONS AND I WANT TO GO BACK.

IT IS ONE PARCEL. A SPECIAL REQUEST COMING TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OWNED BY THE RESIDENTS OF FORT PIERCE.

AND A SPECIAL REQUEST. WHEN THERE IS A SPECIAL REQUEST,

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I THINK THERE SHOULD BE DISCUSSION OF, NOT CONDITIONS MAYBE AND NOT -- I DON'T WANT TO INCLUDE THE WORDS CONDITIONAL USE, BUT NOT SPECIFIC INTO REQUIREMENTS.

AND BUT IT IS A SPECIAL REQUEST OF THE COMMUNITY TO ACCEPT YOUR PROPOSAL, RIGHT? THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.

THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THESE HEARINGS.

MY POINT IS ON THE AVENUE D SIDE, IF THERE IS A WAY TO ENHANCE, BEAUTIFY A CORRIDOR TO FURTHER PROMOTE THE END GOAL, WHICH IS TO HAVE YOUR PROJECT BE SUCCESSFUL, THEN MY RECOMMENDATION OF THE CONVERSATION -- I AM NOT GOING PUT A REQUIREMENT, BUT MY CONVERSATION PIECE, WHY

SHOULDN'T WE DO IT. >> THE REASON IT IS NONE PROPOSED AND IT THE NOT IN THE CODE AND WE CAN'T PREDICT THAT AND EXISTING TREE AND SUPPLEMENTING THAT WITH FLOWERING PLANTS NATIVE TO THE AREA AND LOOK NICE, WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THAT. WHETHER THAT COMES THROUGH STAFF, THE COUNCIL, OR VOLUNTARILY DOING IT ON OUR OWN.

I AM HOPE THAT DO THAT AS A CONDITION OR JUST TO DO IT.

OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT AN APPROVAL, THERE IS NOTHING TO DO, BUT IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL, I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT AND WE WILL CONSULT WITH THE PLANS STAFF AND THE PERMIT OFFICE TO GET THE APPROPRIATE TYPES OF PLANTS SO WE DON'T PLANT SOMETHING THAT IS OUT OF

PLACE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I THINK IT PROVIDES AN ADDED, YOU KNOW, WHETHER PROTECTION FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER OR ADDED BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. IT IS JUST BEING NEIGHBORLY.

HAVING GOOD DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION BACK AND FORTH.

>> UNTIL YOUR COMMENT, IT HAVEN'T COME UP, BUT WE ARE

HAPPY TO DO THAT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NO,

MA'AM. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE APPLICANT IS EXCUSED.

OKAY. NOW IT IS TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. HERE ARE -- HERE IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR TO YOU DO. IF THERE ARE A NUMBER SPEAKERS, LINE UP OVER HERE ON A THE RIGHT.

AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. I WOULD LIKE FOR TO YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. AND MISS COX, WHAT KIND OF

NOTICE WILL YOU GIVE THEM. >> THREE SECONDS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SHE WILL GIVE YOU A WARNING NOTICE OF THREE SECONDS. AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE -- YOU GET THREE MINUTES, BUT SHE WILL GIVE YOU A WARNING OF THREE SECONDS. WHEN YOU -- NO, I AM GOING ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU THREE SECONDS. I WILL -- AND WE HAVE A COURT REPORTER IN THE HOUSE AND SHE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO SPELL YOUR LAST NAME. WHEN YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME, THAT WILL BE GREAT.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M INONIS AND JEFFERSON. MY ADDRESS IS 2300 VALENCIA AS IN VICTORY, FORT PIERCE. MY QUESTION IS --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WERE SWORN IN?

>> YES. MY QUESTION IS, THAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD GIVE INFORMATION TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS IN FORT MYERS OR SOMETHING I SAW UP ON

THE BOARD. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IONIS, JUST

ADDRESS US. >> I HEARD HER SAY SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T DISCRIMINATE THAT THEY DISCUSSED WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. I WANT TO SAY I AM A COMMISSIONER FOR THE FORT PIERCE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND FOR THE RECORD WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY INFORMATION WHATSOEVER FROM THE ORGANIZATION. AND WE ARE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE -- I KNOW ABOUT IT, BUT IT WASN'T GIVEN TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY

SO IT CAN BE DISCUSSED. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, MA'AM. WHO IS NEXT.

PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS MINISTER MARIO VICTORIA WILCOX.

COMMUNITY ACTIVIST, 5227 OAKLAND CIRCLE, FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SPELL YOURU YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE COURT

REPORTER. >>W-I-L-C-O-X AS IN X-RAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND COMMUNITY AT LARGE. I STAND BEFORE NEW OPPOSITION OF THE CELLULAR TOWERS. I STATED MY POSITION BEFORE AND MY REASONS. HOWEVER, I AM NOT GOING TO REPEAT THEM. BECAUSE I HEARD ENOUGH AS I SAT THERE. NOW YOU ARE A GOVERNING BODY.

THAT WAS CREATED BY THE PEOPLE, ELECTED FOR THE BEST INTERESTS

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OF THE PEOPLE AND I AM APPALLED BY THE COMMENT THAT I HEARD.

I SAW THEIR SLIDE PRESENTTION. NOWHERE IN THEIR PRESENTATION DID IT SHOW THAT BLACK PEOPLE DON'T READ MAIL.

AND FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN THIS CITY AND THEN YOU CORRECT IT AND CHASTISE THE PUBLIC WHO GOT OFFENDED.

WE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED YOU.

WE PAY YOUR SALARY AND YOUR BENEFITS.

DON'T CORRECT US BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GO BY THE DECORUM.

THEY MADE A RACIST STATEMENT. AND IF YOU APPROVE THIS TODAY, YOU ARE, TOO, A RACIST. IF YOU APPROVE IT.

BECAUSE YOU ARE CONSENTING. YOU ARE NOT PROTECTING US.

YOU ARE NOT LOOKING OUT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE ELECTED YOU.

NOW I APPRECIATE THE LAWFUL MANNER OF WHICH YOU SAID EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION. THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. I WISH YOU WILL DO THAT MORE OFTEN HERE. HOWEVER, THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST WAS NOT DISCLOSED. MY QUESTION TODAY IS, WHO HAS BEEN LOBBIED ON THIS UP THERE. TAT NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED.

WHO HAS CONFLICTING BUSINESS? COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON JR.

CONTRACTED JEREL RYAN FOR LANDSCAPING.

THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, COMMISSIONER GAINES, OUTSIDE OF BEING A COMMISSIONER, HE IS INVOLVED IN THE PLETHORA OF THINGS.

THAT IS HIS FRATERNITY. THEY HAVE OTHER NONPROFITS, MASONIC SHRINE. THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON, NO DISRESPECT FOR YOU.

I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT HAD TO DO WITH WHAT WENT ON IN THE COUNTY, BUT THERE WAS A ETHICAL THING INVOLVED WHERE YOU AND DEPUTY CHIEFRIDEL BUT YOU CAN VOTE.

I AM NOT ADDRESSING -- MADAM MAYOR, LISTEN TO US AS A WHOLE.

I AM BEING RESPECTFUL. I AM JUST CALLING NAMES TO GIVE EXAMPLES HERE. WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW.

AND YOU HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE.

THESE ARE OUTSIDERS. AND THEY MADE A RACIST COMMENT.

NOW WHAT POSITION ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE TODAY?

>>MAYOR: THANK YOU, SIR. WHO IS NEXT.

>> I WAS -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOUR NAME AND

YOU WERE SWORN IN. >> I WAS SWORN IN.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GIVE US YOUR NAME.

>> THANK YOU. DORRIE THAT TRUSDELL.

2804 DUNBAR STREET. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY, AGAIN, RESPECTFULLY TO SAY THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, AND I STATED THIS BEFORE AT OUR -- MAYBE TWO BLOCKS FROM THE SITE.

I WAS NEVER ONCE NOTE I NEED. I NEVER RECEIVED A LETTER.

MAYBE I AM NOT CLOSE ENOUGH TO IT, BUT I AM ON DUNBAR STREET.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE I NEEDED TO BE TO RECEIVE A LETTER FROM THE GROUP. I NEVER RECEIVED ANY -- I FOUND OUT BY ACCIDENT THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE RIGHT -- NOT IN MY BACKYARD, BUT IN MY FRONT YARD. THIS TOWER AND 199-FOOT METAL WHATEVER. AND WE ON DUNBAR STREET IN OUR AREA REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK, WE TRY TO KEEP OUR PROPERTY UP. WE DO THE BEST WE CAN.

AND MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS OF OTHER PARTS OF FORT PIERCE, BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE, WE TRY TO MAKE IT WORK FOR US.

AND WE VALUE OUR PROPERTY AS MUCH AS ANYONE ACROSS THE BEACH OR ANYWHERE. OUR PROPERTY IS ALL THAT WE WILL EVER HAVE IN OUR AREA FOR WEALTH LEGACY.

WE WON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. WE STARTED FROM BEHIND, AND WE ARE PLAYING CATCH-UP AND WE WILL BE PLAYING CATCH-UP FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS TO COME.

I DON'T WANT IT THERE. I JUST DON'T.

I KNOW EVERYONE IS SAYING IT IS NOT ANY HEALTH ISSUES, BUT YEARS LATER, YOU FIND OUT THAT IT WAS. AND IT IS TOO LATE.

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IT IS TOO LATE. I DON'T WANT THAT FOR US.

YOU KNOW, PLEASE, GIVE US A CHANCE TO SURVIVE.

GIVE US A CHANCE TO PROVIDE FOR OUR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN'S CHILDREN THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ON -- IN OUR AREA, ON OUR STREET, THAT WE HOPE THEY WILL BE THERE.

BUT PLEASE DON'T ALLOW THIS TO BE PLACED THERE FOR WHATEVER REASON SOMEONE WANTS IT THERE. AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING THAT WE WON'T COME OUT -- WE COME OUT WHEN WE KNOW.

I SAW THE SIGNS BY ACCIDENT. THE LITTLE YELLOW SIGN THEY HAD UP THERE. BECAUSE YOU ARE DRIVING, IT IS NOT AT EYE LEVEL. YOU HAVE TO LOOK DOWN, AND THEN TRY TO READ WHILE YOU ARE DRIVING.

THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU WERE GOING TO SEE IT.

NO OTHER WAY. I FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE A COMMUNITY QUORUM AT GOOD WILL CHURCH.

I FOUND OUT, I WENT. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU CAN NOT GO AGAINST SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT.

AND NOBODY KNEW. AND I AM SORRY I NEVER --

>> I NEVER REALIZE I WOULD TALK THIS LONG.

WHO IS NEXT. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, MY NAME IS PEARL LIVERPOOL, 2006 AVENUE Q.

I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. AND I KNOW I ONLY HAVE THREE

MINUTES. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU NEED TO

SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR HER? >>LIVERPOOL.

>> THANK YOU. A LOT OF THINGS I MENTIONED BEFORE AT OUR PRIOR MEETING. AND I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH AS IT RELATES TO THIS MATTER SINCE WE FACED THIS IN 2022. I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT WE HAVE CRITERIA AND WE HAVE POLICIES WHEREBY WE WILL USE CERTAIN GUIDELINES AS IT RELATES TO WHERE AND HOW AND WHAT THINGS WILL BE CONSIDERED WHEN THINKING OF ERECTING ONE OF THESE TOWERS.

BUT WHEN I LOOK AT THE THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS DONE BY STAFF, THERE APPEARED TO BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I OBSERVED NEED TO BE CONSIDERED WITH THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IN AN ADVERSE WA WAY.

IF YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AGAIN PRIOR TO SOLIDIFYING YOUR DECISION. I ALSO HEARD THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE TOWERS SPEAK TO WHO THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION.

HAND THIS THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE INTERNET THAT REALLY IS CONFUSING THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER.

THERE ARE NUMEROUS OPINIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE HEALTH CONSEQUENCES. THERE ARE NUMEROUS OPINIONS AS IT RELATES TO HOW CLOSE TO A TOWER.

WHAT IS THE PROXIMITY OF A TOWER.

I EVEN OVERHEARD HIM SAY THAT THE TOWER THEY ARE INTENDING TO ERECT WAS RIGHT THERE AT THE FCC GUIDELINES BUT THE COVERAGE IS ABOUT ONE MILE. WELL, IF YOU LOOK AT VARIOUS OPINIONS, THE COVERAGE FOR 5G TOWER CAN BE ONE TO THREE MILES.

ARE WE GETTING A LOW CAPACITY? WHEN WE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED THIS, WE TALKED OF THE 4G TOWER THAT WE HAVE ON AVENUE I AND 25TH STREET RIGHT THERE IN FORT PIERCE LESS THAN A MILE FROM THIS LOCATION. WE WERE TOLD THAT IT COULD NOT BE CONVERTED TO A 5G. NOW WE UNDERSTAND THAT 15 HOW THISSERS HAVE BEEN CONVERTED TO 5GS.

AT THE TIME OF THE PREVIOUS HEARING, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE HEAT MAP, SIX TOWERS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ALL OF WHICH OKEECHOBEE ROAD AND NORTH. THERE ARE OTHER RADIO FREQUECY TOWERS, BUT 5 G TOWERS EXISTED FROM OKEECHOBEE ROAD NORTH IN FORT PIERCE, IF THE PROXIMITIES OF COVERAGE IS NOT AS WELL AS THE 4G TOWER WITH THE 5G, THAN SOUTH FORT PIERCE NEEDS COVERAGE. AND WHEN I LOOKED AROUND THE AREA AFTER OUR FIRST ENCOUNTER, I HAVE RODE AROUND THE STATE AND I LOOKED AND SAW THAT MOST OF THESE TOWERS ARE ERECTED IN INDUSTRIAL AREAS. AND IF -- AND OTHER INSTANCES I HAVE SEEN THEM IN OPEN FIELDS, UNDEVELOPED LAND.

MAYBE THEY HAVE PLANS FOR IT, BUT MOST OF THE LAND WAS UNDEVELOPED AND IT WAS SURROUNDED BY PASTURES.

BUT THE PLACE -- SO UNFAIR. SO UNFAIR TO PUT IT SO CLOSE TO THESE PEOPLE'S HOMES THAT THEY HAVE HAD SINCE THE '60S.

JUST NOT FAIR. AND WE TRUST YOU.

>> I HAVE A LOT OF FAITH NEW GUYS.

>> I AM WALKING. >> GOOD EVENING.

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD EVENING. >> PASTOR REVEREND HARRY SHAW.

S-H-A-W, SHAW. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WERE SWORN IN, IS THAT CORRECT? WERE YOU SWORN IN?

>> YES. WAS I SWORN IN?

NO, I AM SORRY. >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

>> AFFIRM. >> YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR ADDRESS. I DON'T THINK HE STATED HIS

ADDRESS. >> 402 NORTH 30TH STREET.

MAYOR MAYOR THANK YOU, SIR. TO THE MAYOR AND OUR COMMISSIONERS AND TO THE STAFF, TO MR. MIMMS, I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I LIVE WITHIN MAYBE 500 FEET OF WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THIS TOWER. I HAVE A SON WHO LIVE WITHIN 150 FEET WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THIS TOWER.

THEY -- THEY HAVE PRESENTED A BEAUTIFUL -- CAN YOU GET THE WORD I WANT TO USE -- PLATFORM FOR THEIR TOWER.

IT IS GOOD. I MEAN -- BUT MY THING IS, THEY GOT -- THEY ARE PUTTING IT IN THE WRONG PLACE.

I MEAN, THEY COULD HAVE PUT IT -- I MEAN IT IS BEAUTIFUL.

THEY LAID IT OUT. THEY DID A LOT OF LEGWORK.

BUT THE -- JEREMIAH, I APPRECIATE AND THANK YOU -- BOTH JOHNSONS FOR QUESTIONS -- AND MR. GAINES FOR THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED OR THE QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS.

YOU DID HAVE ALL US IN MIND WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION.

I APPRECIATE IT, BUT I'M HERE TONIGHT.

THEY NEED TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION.

THEY SPENT THOUSANDS OF THOUSANDS -- HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PUT THIS TOGETHER, BUT DIDN'T SPEND ONE DIME SENDING ME A LETTER AND ASKING ME HOW I FEEL OF PUTTING THIS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I WISH THAT -- IF YOU WOULD, THAT THE NEXT TIME THIS COME UP OR ANYTHING LIKE THIS COME UP, YOU WILL ASK THEM TO GO OUT AND CANVAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE HOW THE PEOPLE LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FEEL ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN THEIR NIGHBORHOOD.

THEY ARE NOT LIVING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS. AND -- AND I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 37 AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS TOWER IN MY -- I HAVE TO GET UP EVERY MORNING AND LOOK OUT THERE AND SEE THIS TOWER. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR.

YES. WHO IS NEXT?

>> HI, ROSALYN LENEY. 103 NORTH 31ST STREET, MY

ADDRESS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WERE SWORN

IN. >>S.

>> I I WAS SWORN IN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> I WANT TO SAY -- I DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE PERSON THAT HELD BACK OPPORTUNITIES FOR OTHER PEOPLE. BECAUSE WE ARE OPPOSED BECAUSE IT IS SO CLOSE TO OUR PROPERTY AND SO MANY UNKNOWNS AND PLUS THE FACT THAT IT IS -- IT WILL BE AN EYESORE.

YOU GUYS SPEAK OF HOW YOU ARE GOING TO BEAUTIFY THE LAND -- THE AREA AROUND THE TOWER. I HAVE BEEN THERE FOR FOUR YEARS. AND THAT AREA HAS LOOKED LIKE A JUNK YARD THE WHOLE TIME. SO WE APPRECIATE THE BEAUTIFICATION, BUT IT DOES NOTHING TO -- TO CAMOUFLAGE THE 199-FOOT TOWER THAT WILL BE ERECTED.

YOU -- WE -- WE WILL STILL BE ABLE TO LOOK OUT AND SEE IT.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I READ AT ONE POINT THAT THEY WERE GOING TO CAMOUFLAGE IT.

WHEN I LOOKED -- CAMOUFLAGING IN OTHER AREAS -- IT LOOKS LIKE A FLAG. IT LOOKS LIKE A PALM TREES.

IT LOOKS LIKE A CACTUS OR WHATEVER.

THEY KIND OF MAKE IT SO IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT IS PART OF THAT AREA SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, YOU DON'T SEE A CELL TOWER.

YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT REPRESENTS YOUR AREA.

AND NOT ONLY WILL THERE BE ONE ANTENNA.

IT WILL BE -- I HEAR FOUR DIFFERENT PORTS.

VERIZON THE TOP. AND THEY ARE GOING TO LEASE IT OUT TO THREE OTHER PEOPLE. SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY ON EACH ONE OF THEM, THERE COULD BE THREE TO FIVE ANTENNAS.

SO WE CAN HAVE, LIKE, 20 ANTENNAS RIGHT THERE IN THE BACK YARD LOOKING AT THEM AND NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE TO DISGUISE IT.

THE OTHER THING I DID -- I DID MY OWN LITTLE RESEARCH.

LIKE I SAID I DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONE THAT HELD IT BACK.

I WENT TO VERIZON STORES. I -- I CALLED ON THE PHONE.

I TALKED TO OTHERS -- AT&T, T-MOBILE IN THIS AREA, AND THEY ALL SAY WHEN YOU TALK TO THEM, THAT THERE IS EXCELLENT 5G SERVICE THIS AREA. THAT THEY HAVE NO CONNECTIVITY ISSUES. WHEN I VISIT THE WEB SITE, THE SAME THING. THEY PAINT A PICTURE THAT THERE IS 5G EVERYWHERE. IF YOU BUY THEIR PRODUCT, YOU WON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. GET THEIR SERVICE.

BUY THEIR PHONES. YOU WILL DEFINITELY GET 5G SERVICE IN THIS AREA. THERE IS EVEN A PLACE YOU CAN GO

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ONLINE AND PUT IN YOUR ADDRESS, AND IT WILL TELL YOU WHAT -- WHAT YOUR 5G CONNECTIVITY IS IN YOUR AREA.

SO SINCE I AM RIGHT NEXT TO IT, I PUT IN OUR ADDRESS.

PERFECT. NO 5G ISSUES IN OUR AREA.

PUT IN AN ADDRESS WHERE -- WHAT IS IT, FAMILY DOLLAR STORE IS, SAME THING. THEY SAY THEY WANT TO IMPROVE THE CONNECTIVITY ON AVENUE D AND INGLES ROAD.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE APPEARS TO BE NO LACK OF 5G IN THE AREA AND NO CONNECTIVITY PROBLEM. SO, I AM TORN.

ARE PEOPLE IN THE STORES AND THEIR ADVERTISEMENT FALSE ADVERTISING OR NOT TELLING US THE TRUTH.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO IS NEXT?

>> MY THREE MINUTES. CAN I GIVE MY THREE MINUTES TO

SOMEBODY ELSE? >>MAYOR: NO.

YOU -- YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO A GREAT JOB, MISS --

>> IT WASN'T THAT. FIRST OF ALL, YOU -- YOU --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: LOOK AT US. >> HE MADE REFERENCE TO ME.

>> YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> MARGARET ARRELL. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WERE SWORN

IN. >> MY ADDRESS IS 1529 AVENUE D.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NOW YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE STARTING.

GO AHEAD. >> SIDEWALKS.

THE CITY HAS ALREADY PLANNED FOR IMPROVING AVENUE D, PAVING AND ALL THAT STUFF. GOT A BIG MONEY COMING IN FOR T THAT.

THERE WILL NOBODY SIDEWALKS IN THAT AREA.

THERE ARE NONE. SO THAT WON'T BE INCLUDED.

THE -- THE -- THE LOW-INCOME HOUSING.

THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, THEY ARE RIGHT THERE AT THIS SITE.

AND I GOT ALL OF THEM TO SIGN PETITIONS AND I GAVE THEM TO LINDA COX. I GAVE THEM TO LINDA COX AND SHE WILL GIVE THEM TO YOU GUYS. 500 SIGNATURES I HAVE ALL TOGETHER. WHAT I WAS SAYING OF MARJORIE AND SOME REFERENCE WAS MADE TO HER THAT PROBABLY WAS NOT TRUE.

WHEN THEY HAD THE WORKSHOP, THE SIGN -- THE SIGN WAS ABOUT THIS BIG. AND IT WAS DOWN ON THE GROUND.

YOU HAD TO STOP, TURN AROUND AND COME BACK IN ORDER TO READ IT.

PEOPLE COULDN'T READ IT DRIVING BY.

SO WE DID HAVE A GOOD CROWD AND MORE THAN 13 PEOPLE THERE.

THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT EXPECTED TO COME WHO WENT BACK AND READ THE SIGN AND CAME TO THE MEETING.

AND THEY SPOKE. SO THEY PROBABLY OPPONENT TO KNOW ABOUT THIS ONE, BECAUSE UNLESS YOU KEEP UP WITH THE COMMISSION MEETINGS, YOU DON'T KNOW.

BUT WE KNOW NOW BECAUSE MR. GAINES ON SATURDAY TOLD US TO COME TO THE MEETINGS, AND WE WOULD BE COMING.

YOU SAY 15 OF THE 19 -- 15 OF THE 19 SIGNS HAVE BEEN UPGRADED? THEY WERE. BECAUSE I SAW THEM UPGRADE THE ONE THAT -- ON THE PROPERTY. I SAW IT BEING UPGRADED AND PUT A NEW FLAG ON THERE. SO, I AM -- WE DON'T NEED THIS.

WE DON'T. BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WHERE HE IS TALKING OF PUTTING IT, THEY DON'T WANT IT. THEY DON'T WANT IT.

THEN THERE IS ONE THAT LIVES BACK WHO -- MISGUIDED AND HE WANTS IT SOMETIMES AND HE DOESN'T WANT IT SOMETIMES.

BUT THEY DO NOT WANT THIS SIGN. WE DON'T WANT IT.

PUT IT OUT IN THE INDUSTRIAL AREA.

AND LET IT WORK FOR US FROM THERE.

ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. SOMEBODY RAISED YOUR HAND? YOU NEED TO COME FORWARD, PLE

PLEASE. >> HI, GOOD AFTERNOON.

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>>MAYOR HUDSON: MA'AM, WERE YOU SWORN IN?

>>. I WAS NOT.

>> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT

THE TRUTH? >> I DO.

>> THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE COURT REPORT

I. >> ANGELA PALMER.

I LIVE IN HARMONY HEIGHTS. MY ADDRESS IS 4706 MATANZAS

AVENUE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU,

MA'AM. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING THIS. I'M HERE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW.

AND IF IT WASN'T FOR WORD OF MOUTH, PEOPLE CALLING, TELLING US ABOUT THIS MEETING OR BY THIS TOWER THAT WAS GOING UP, I STILL WOULDN'T KNOW. SO THERE WAS NO NOTICES IN OUR AREA. THOUGH PROBABLY WILL AFFECT HARMONY HEIGHTS IN A BIT FROM WHERE I SEE THAT WHERE THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT IT. HOWEVER, MISS MAYOR, I AM SADDENED TO THINK THAT WE CAN'T READ.

AND FOR THEM TO MAKE A COMMENT LIKE THAT, THAT WAS VERY -- NOT ONLY DISRESPECTFUL, BUT I AM EDUCATED AND I CAN READ.

AND HAVE THEY SENT OUT A MAIL OR PUT SOMETHING IN THE NEWSPAPER BECAUSE I READ THAT TOO. WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN.

AND I KNOW I AM NOT IN THE CITY PER SE BECAUSE I AM IN THE COUNTY, BUT I AM SURE IT WILL STILL EFFECT US AS WELL.

AND I THINK WITH MORE KNOWLEDGE, WHEN THEY COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY, EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT.

NOT JUST SOME PEOPLE BECAUSE IT JUST EFFECTS MAYBE AVENUE D OR ANGLE ROAD RESIDENTS, BUT IT WILL AFFECT ALL OF US.

FOR THEM TO SAY THEY DON'T KNOW OF ANY HEALTH ISSUES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU DON'T KNOW THE LATENCY OF SOMETHING IN YOUR AREA AND WHAT IT MAY AFFECT LONG-TERM.

YOU MAY CAN LOOKING AT SHORT-TERM GOALS, BUT MAY BE A LONG-TERM EFFECT THAT MAY HURT THE PEOPLE.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT PERSONALLY THAT THIS TOWER SHOULD GO UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

I HAVE SEEN OTHER 5G TOWERS LIKE SOME PERCENT HAVE STATED IN THE OPEN FIELD AREAS AWAY FROM GENERAL PUBLIC.

AND IF THEY WANT TO ERECT A TOWER, PUT IT THERE.

PUT IT AWAY. AND MAKE IT EFFECTIVE TO BE ABLE TO SERVICE THE PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE YOU CAN DO THAT TOO. IT DON'T HAVE TO BE IN -- IN A NEIGHBORHOOD FULL OF PEOPLE FOR IT TO WORK.

YOU CAN PUT IT AWAY. AND YOU CAN MAKE THAT FREQUENCY WORK FOR PEOPLE IN THAT COMMUNITY, AWAY FROM -- LIKE THEY ARE ALREADY DOING. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN IN. >> DO YOU WEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH OR NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.

>> SO HELP ME GOD. >> THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SPELL IT.

>> CHIMO. MY ADDRESS IN JUANITA AVENUE IN FORT PIERCE. AND I'M HERE BECAUSE PERSONALLY, I DO NOT WANT A 5G TOWER IN THE COMMUNITY.

PERIOD. I'M HERE ESPECIALLY TO BE HERE JUST IN SUPPORT. I DON'T LIVE ON AVENUE D.

BUT THE -- BUT THE FACT IS, EVERY DAY WHEN I LISTEN TO THE RADIO OR TELEVISION, I HEAR ABOUT PEOPLE THAT ARE TELLING YOU TO -- IF YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THIS AND THIS, AND IF YOU LIVE NEAR THAT, CALL 1-800-FIX-ME OR WHATEVER BECAUSE SO AND SO, THIS IS GOING ON A AND THAT IS GOING ON AND WHATEVER IS GOING ON AND YOU CAN SUE AND GET A BUNCH OF MONEY.

I DON'T WANT A BUNCH OF MONEY. I WANT MY LIFE.

AND I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS. I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS LAST NIGHT BECAUSE I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO A HARMONY HEIGHTS SCHEDULED FOR TODAY AND POSTPONED SO WE COULD COME HERE TODAY BECAUSE WHAT USUALLY HAPPENS IS STUFF COMES IN UNDER OUR NOSES. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL AFTER THE FACT. IF I HAD KNOWN ABOUT THIS SOONER, I WOULD HAVE TOLD A LOT MORE PEOPLE ABOUT IT SOONER.

BUT I FEEL THAT IF YOU THINK WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS RIGHT, YOU SHOULD NOT HESITATE TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT YOU ARING

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TO. WHY ONLY A FEW OF US KNOW? AND I, TOO, AM ABLE TO READ AND WRITE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

I READ MY MAIL. AND ANY OTHER NOTICES THAT I KNOW PERTAIN TO US. THE REASON WHY WE NEED TO SPEAK UP FOR EACH OTHER IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LET ONE -- IF THE PEOPLE ON AVENUE D ARE SUBJECT TO SOMETHING, WHATEVER THAT SOMETHING MIGHT BE, EVENTUALLY THAT EFFECTS THE PEOPLE O ON C, D, A, B, F, G, AND ALL THE REVS US.

I WANT TO SPEAK UP ON BEHALF OF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS ON AVENUE D AND ANGLE ROAD. I HAVE A SON THAT LIVES OVER THERE. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I DON'T WANT IT THERE BECAUSE EVEN IF THEY ARE WELL-MEANING, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR PUTTING IN OUR PRESENCE, WITH WE LIVE.

PUT IT ELSEWHERE. AND FIND OUT TEN YEARS FROM NOW, OH, GLAD WE DIDN'T PUT IT THERE. DON'T PUT IT THERE AND THEN FIND OUT TEN YEARS FROM NOW, OH, MY, OG, WHATEVER DID WE DO.

ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

NO, SIR. YOU HAVE ALREADY HAD YOUR CHANCE. NO, SIR.

NO, SIR. ONE THREE MINUTES FOR EVERY PERSON. THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU. SO NOW IT IS TIME FOR THE APPLICANT. NO OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.

WE ARE GOING TO GO RIGHT INTO THE APPLICANT.

YOU HAVE LISTENED TO THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY.

MINUTES TO MAKE A RESPONSE. REE- >> DEBORAH MARTOHUE FOR THE RECORD. I WILL TRY TO GO BULLET POINT.

MISS JEFFERSON MENTIONED SHE IS ON THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

I WANT TO CLARIFY, WE DIDN'T SAY WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. THAT IS A CONCERN -- WE HAD LEASES WITH AND I GAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF HOUSING AUTHORITY. WE PROVIDE SERVICE REGARDLESS, RURAL, URBAN, WHEREVER. MR. WILCOX TOOK OFFENSE TO SOMETHING THAT WAS PROBABLY POORLY PHRASED THAT WE NEVER SAID THAT BLACK PEOPLE DON'T READ.

WE SAID THAT WE REACHED OUT WITH 57 LETTERS EAST OF THE SITE OVER TO NORTH 29TH STREET THAT IS IN THE COMMUNITY PACKAGE, THE MAILING. SADLY AT THE LAST HEARING, PRIOR TO THE HEARING STARTING, I WAS SPEAKING WITH MR. -- I THINK IT WAS JESSIE WALKER, AND HE LIVES FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE SITE.

AND HE SAID HE NEVER RECEIVED NOTICE.

I PULLED OUT THE LIST. SHOWED HIM THAT WE IN FACT SENT HIM THREE LETTERS. AND HE -- HE POKED ME IN THE CHEST AND SPIT ON MY FACE. SO, THAT IS WHAT I MENTIONED TO MY CLIENT. HE SAID THAT HE DOESN'T READ.

THAT IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO REACH HIM.

I MENTIONED THAT TO MY CLIENT ABOUT THAT.

AND SO GOING INTO THIS MEETING AFTER WATCHING THE HEARING AND THE CONCERN THAT YOU HAD ABOUT HOW TO NOTIFY THE COMMUNITY AND HOW THEY PUT ONE SIGN ON A FENCE ON A NOT-SO-TRAVELED ROAD, WE GOT BRIGHT COLORED SIGNS. WE PUT 12 OF THEM OUT AT INTERSECTIONS AND ALONG THE SIDEWALKS TO TRY TO REACH PEOPLE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT THEY ARE LIKE -- THIS IS NOT HOW WE WANT TO BE REACHED. YOU NEED TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY AND PUT SIGNS OUT. SO WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING. BECAUSE THE LETTERS WEREN'T EFFECTIVE APPARENTLY WHEN WE PUT THEM OUT LAST DECEMBER.

MISS TRUSDALE. SHE DOES LIVE ON DAN BAR STREET.

SHE SHOULD HAVE -- I DO RECOGNIZE THE NAME.

SHE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER BACK IN NOVEMBER.

OF COURSE, I DON'T CONTROL -- WE DON'T CONTROL THE NOTICES THAT ARE SENT OUT BY THE CITY. WE SEND THEM OUT WITHIN A 500-FOOT RADIUS. I AM SURE THE CITY CAN ANSWER HOW FAR THEY SEND THEM OUT. MISS LIVERPOOL WHO LIVES UP IN AVENUE Q MENTIONED SOMETHING LIKE WE ARE BARELY CAN COMPLYING WITH THE FAA. WE ARE TRYING TO STAY UNDER THE POINT WHERE WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO LIGHT THE TOWER.

SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO DISTURB THE RESIDENTS.

5G IS ABOUT DENSIFICATION. IT IS ABOUT CAPACITY.

IT IS ABOUT TRYING TO BRING STRONGER SIGNALS.

MORE PROXIMATE TO THE PEOPLE UTILIZING THEM IN THEIR HOMES.

BECAUSE AS GEORGE MENTIONED, 86% OF 911 CALLS CAM COM FROM MOBILE PHONES NOW AND 60% OF HOMES FROM NOTHING BUT CELL PHONES.

SO I WOULD ANALOGIZE THIS TO CONCURRENCY.

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I UNDERSTAND SALESPEOPLE ARE SALESPEOPLE.

NO OFFENSE TO SALESPEOPLE BUT ALSO WE ARE IN A PLANNING -- A PLANNING MOLD JUST LIKE CONCURRENCY.

WE PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SORRY YOUR TIME

IS UP. >> I HIT THE BIG POINTS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS? STAFF? OKAY. AND OF THERE IS NO RESPONSE TO -- NO NEED TO RESPONSE. SO AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND EVERYTHING IS ALL CLOSED AND WE COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. NOW OUR TIME TO TALK.

AND MAKE A DECISION.

SO, GENTLEMEN. ANYONE WANT TO START?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, I WILL START.

AND I AM GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THE QUESTION I ASK, BECAUSE I AM -- I AM VERY BIG ON NOTIFICATION AND I AM VERY BIG ON GETTING THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED. A AND, AND I AM SITTING HERE QUIET AND KIND OF UPSET BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THEY USED THE TILLMAN'S MODEL TO SAY, WELL, WE THOUGHT OF THE ONE LITTLE SIGN AND THEY PUT OTHER SIGNS OUT THERE, BUT THERE WERE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES, IN MY OPINION, AS COMMISSIONERS, TO GET THE WORD OUT.

AT NO TIME, AND I THINK IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECORD BEFORE, I ASKED THAT IF YOU NEEDED HELP TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT, TO GET IT TO ME AND I WILL GET THE WORD OUT.

AND I DIDN'T GET IT. NOW IF I GO BACK AND LOOK AT MY E-MAILS, I DIDN'T GET IT. I NEVER SAW THE SIGNS.

AND I GO THAT ROUTE EVERY DAY. SO MAYBE I WASN'T LOOKING FOR THEM. BUT I DIDN'T SEE THE SIGNS.

SO I -- I -- I UNDERSTAND THE -- SINCE WE HAVE A COURT REPORTER HERE. I UNDERSTAND ALL THE RULES, ALL THE REGULATIONS DEALING WITH YELL TOWERS AND PLACEMENTS.

I GET THAT. BUT WHEN -- WHEN WE HAVE A MEETING, AND THE MEETING IS POSTPON POSTPONED -- NOT POSTPONED. THAT IS THE WRONG WORD, STOPPED TO GO BACK TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY HEARD AT THE FIRST TIME WE WERE HERE.

TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN I HEAR -- I ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION, AND, YOU NKNOW -- I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT COSTS TO PUT AN AD IN THE PAPER, BUT IT CAN'T BE THAT MUCH.

TO GET THE WORD OUT SO THEY CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO SEE AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HEAR.

I MEAN, IT IS MORE THAN 13 PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT.

AND THAT WAS BY WORD OF MOUTH. SO MY -- MY CONCERN, AGAIN, AND IT IS NOT ON THE LIST. I KNOW THE LIST OF OUR CODE, BUT MY CONCERN WAS WHEN WE POSTPONED OR CONTINUED THIS FIRST HEARING, IT WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET A GREATER INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENED.

AND THAT IS WHY I AM SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I THOUGHT SINCE THE FIRST TIME AND THE -- THE TIME HERE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE HAD MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF MEETING OR ANYTHING. AND I AM JUST NOT HEARING IT, BUT WHAT I AM HEARING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DIDN'T GET NOTICE. THIS IS A HEARING.

I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE GOT THE LETTERS AND DIDN'T READ THEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE LETTERS DIDN'T COME.

I DON'T KNOW. ALL I COULD DO IS LISTEN TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE TELLING ME. AND THEY ARE SAYING -- THEY ARE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T GET THE LETTERS.

THE APPLICANT IS SAYING HE SENT THE LETTERS.

I DON'T WORK FOR THE POST OFFICE, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT GOING BY THE EVIDENCE. BUT I AM -- I AM GLAD SHE GOT UP AND CLARIFIED, YOU KNOW, HER STATEMENT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WAS KIND OF TAKEN ABACK TO THAT ALSO THAT -- THEY DIDN'T SEND THE LETTERS AGAIN BECAUSE WE DON'T READ.

I AM JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WAS KIND OF TAKEN ABACK AND GLAD THEY GOT UP AND CLARIFIED THAT BECAUSE WE DO READ.

OFFERED WORK ROOT AFTER THE WORK WREEL.

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WEA -- WE CAN READ AND WE CAN WRITE.

I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND THE CONTINUAL USE.

AND I KNOW WHERE COMMISSIONER BRODERICK WAS GOING WITH HIS QUESTIONS EARLIER. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, BOTH WHERE THEY WERE GOING, BUT AT SOME POINT -- AT SOME POINT WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN FRONT OF US AND SAYS SOMETHING AND THEY GO BACK AND DO THE MINIMUM, IN MY OPINION, SINCE WE HAVE A COURT REPORTER HERE, MY OPINION, COMMISSIONER ARNOLD GAINES SAID IT, DO THE MINIMUM TO GET THE WORD OUT TO THE MASSES, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. THAT IS WHERE I AM AT RIGHT NOW,

MADAM MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CONDITIONS -- THE -- IF WE CAN HAVE THAT PRESENTATION. IF -- YES, I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THEM BACK UP FOR US PLEASE. AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY. HERE IS NEXT.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I AM, MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU.

I, FIRST OF ALL, WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR SHOWING UP TONIGHT. YOUR COMMENTS WERE WELL RECEIVED AND HEARD. AND SO NOTED.

IT IS ALL TOO OFTEN THAT THE COMMUNITY SOMETIMES DOES NOT VOICE THEIR OPINION AND YOU HAVE VERY STRONGLY VOICED YOUR OPINION TONIGHT AND RECEIVED BY ALL SITTING UP HERE.

THE SECOND THING I WANT TO STATE IS EVEN IN MY LINE OF QUESTIONING, THERE WAS SOME THINGS THAT WE DISCOVERED TONIGHT THAT WE DID NOT KNOW, INCLUDING MYSELF, WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. SO I THINK THAT AS WE LEARN THESE THINGS, THIS IS -- THIS MAY CAUSE SOME MORE QUESTIONING DOWN THE LINE. BUT NONETHELESS, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE -- THERE ARE SOME -- THERE IS INFORMATION, AND THEY ARE GOING TO PUT THESE ACTUAL PIECES OF LEGISLATION THAT WE HAVE HERE. I JUST -- I JUST CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH -- THANK YOU FOR SHOWING UP TO VOICE YOUR OPINIONS.

YOUR OPINIONS HAVE BEEN HEARD AND RESPECTED BY ME.

AND WE WILL DEAL WITH THIS TONIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION WHICH WAY THIS IS GOING TO GO. 37.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD. THANK YOU. .

>>MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD. THANK YOU.

YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE GOING TO

PUT IT UP. >>RYAN ALTIZER: OUR SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING TO PUT IT UP ON THE SCREENS.

HE GAINESVILLE NOT ON OUR SCREENS EITHER.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: NOT ON OUR SCREEN EITHER.

>>RYAN ALTIZER: THIS USUALLY WORKS TO PUT THIS UP ON THERE.

THIS IS NOT WORKING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE NEED LI

LINDA COX MAYBE TO -- >> FIGURE IT OUT.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MADAM MAYOR, WHILE THEY ARE LOADING THAT, I WILL ADD A FEW COMMENTS. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE FOLKS THAT CAME OUT. YOUR COMMENTARY WAS INSPIRING.

CANDIDLY, I AM SITTING HERE. I AM UPSET.

I AM UPSET BECAUSE THIS -- THIS IS A ZONING CLASSIFICATION FAILURE. THIS IS THE EXACT SCENARIO YOU DO NOT WANT TO RUN INTO. AND IF ZONING IS MORE RESTRICTIVE, ETC., RELATIVE TO THESE TYPE OF INSTALLATIONS, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS.

IF THESE TYPE OF INSTALLATIONS OF INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES AND SITES WITH MINIMUM ACREAGE REQUIREMENTS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. IT CHANGES THIS DISCUSSION WHOLE SALE. HOWEVER, THAT IS A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY. BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE BURDENED WITH HERE ON THIS COMMISSION IS THE REQUIREMENTS TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED, THEIR PROJECT TO. AND THAT IS THE REASON I WAS GETTING INTO THE QUESTIONS EARLIER RELATIVE WHAT IS THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION. WHAT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT. WHY DO WE HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT, ETC. JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S INFORMATION, THE REASON THAT I WAS GOING DOWN THAT PATH IS -- IS THAT WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION, IT BECOMES EVIDENT IMMEDIATELY THAT THIS TYPE OF INSTALLATION IS ALLOWED IN THIS ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

HENCE CREATING THE ENTIRE BASIS OF THIS PROBLEM.

WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY JUST BECAUSE WE THINK IT IS A BAD IDEA TO SAY, WELL, WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT INSTALLATION. IT IS VERY INTERESTING ISSUE IN THAT, WELL, CERTAIN GROUP OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE CELL TOWERS.

CERTAIN GROUP OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE GAS STATIONS.

DO WE DECIDE YOU CAN'T PUT A GAS STATION IN A C 1 ZONE BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

THAT IS WHY I AM SITTING HERE VERY, VERY BURDENED BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN. AND THEIR POSITION ON THIS WAS

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IN ALIGNMENT. THERE WASN'T ONE DISAGREEMENT AMONG ANYONE WHO CAME UP HERE TO SPEAK THAT THEY SIMPLY DON'T WANT THIS IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT I KNOW WHERE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO WITHIN THE ZONING REQUIREMENT IS WHERE I AM TREMENDOUSLY BURDENED AFTER HEARING ALL THE FOLKS SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THIS. STRUGGLING WITH THE FACT THAT I KNOW WHAT THE ZONING REQUIRES US TO DO.

SO HAVING SAID THAT, I AM REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS.

I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER GAINES' INFORMATION PERTAINING TO NOTIFICATION OF ALL THE FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, ETC.

BUT I AM TAKING IT ONE STEP FURTHER.

I AM SAYING NOT ONE PERSON WHO CAME UP AND SPOKE IN FAVOR.

TO A PERSON, EVERYBODY SPOKE AGAINST.

SO I WOULD THINK THAT IF -- IF THERE WERE MORE FOLKS HERE, IT WOULD BE THAT -- THAT THAT CONTINUED -- THAT CONTINUATION OF OPINION. HAND THIS OPINION HAS NOT LOST ITSELF ON ME REMEMBER FOLKS. IT SIMPLY HAVEN'T.

AND I AM STRUGGLING WITH THE FACT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE -- A CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT PAGE.

YOU DID HAVE ONE IN YOUR PACKET -- THE REQUIREMENT FOR

CONDITIONAL USE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: IT WAS IN THE PRESENTATION OPPOSED TO THE STAFF DOCUMENTS.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHERE THEY ARE

COMING FROM. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: STAFF

PRESENTATION. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM. BUT I BELIEVE THAT THE BASELINE PROBLEM HERE IS IN THIS INSTANCE AND OTHER INSTANCES I HAVE SEEN SERVING ON THE PLANNING BOARD AS LONG AS I DID, THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS IN OUR ZONING NEED TO BE FIXED.

I GET IT. THAT DOESN'T GET US THE RESULT THAT FOLKS ARE INTERESTED IN TONIGHT, BUT IF THEY WERE FIXED PRIOR TO THIS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS DISCUSSION.

THAT IS WHERE I AM COMING FROM AND VERY DISTURBING TO ME THAT IT -- NOT THROUGH ANYONE'S FAULT.

I AM NOT POINTING THE FINGER AT ANYBODY.

I AM JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS BY AUDITING THESE TYPE OF USES THAT SHOULD REALLY BE RELEGATED TO INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES AND THINGS OF THANK THIS NATURE.

THAT IS ARE I AM AT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: RYAN, IN THE STAFF PRESENTATION, THE FINAL STAFF RECOMMENDATION, THREE CONDITINS -- TWO

CONDITIONS, THREE CONDITIONS. >>RYAN ALTIZER: THREE, TWO FROM STAFF AND ONE FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GO TO THAT PAGE.

>>RYAN ALTIZER: THIS IS THE TWO FROM US AND ONE FROM THE

PLANNING BOARD. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS. SO -- NO, GO BACK ONE MORE.

THERE YOU GO. TALKING ABOUT THE GOPHER TORTOISE SURVEY, ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT AND OF COURSE OUR TYPICAL LANDSCAPE FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.

THIRD RECOMMENDATION FROM PLANNING BOARD TALKING OF THE WAIVER OF THE FIVE-FOOT SIDEWALK CONNECTION WHICH I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT TODAY OPINION AND I APPRECIATE THE PLANNING BOARD'S COMMENTS AND FORWARD THINKING BECAUSE NO REASON TO BUILD SIDEWALKS TO NOWHERE, RIGHT.

SO I APPRECIATE THEIR INPUT AND I VALUE THAT.

AND ALONG WITH WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID TONIGHT.

I VALUE EACH ONE OF YOU COMING TO MAKE COMMENTS.

THOSE COMMENTS THAT WERE POSITIVE IN NATURE.

I TAKE, YOU KNOW, NOTE OF. AND -- AND I THINK ABOUT THEM A LOT. SO -- WHEN THIS COMES TO THIS COMMISSION, MY COLLEAGUES SEEM TO CHALLENGE -- WE CHALLENGE EACH OTHER AND WE CHALLENGE EACH OTHER IN A GOOD WAY FOR THESE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS. SO WHEN WE COME IN OUR DISCUSSION MOMENT TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO, WE ALWAYS HAVE TO CHALLENGE EACH OTHER. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CODE AND SEE IF ANYTHING WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT BASED ON A FACT OR INFORMATION BY TESTIMONY, SWORN TESTIMONY, MIGHT I ADD, THAT WOULD CHANGE THE CONSIDERATION THAT IS IN FRONT OF US.

WE HAVE A PLANNING BOARD MADE UP OF OUR PEERS FROM THE WONDERFUL CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THROUGHOUT OUR CITY, THAT MADE RECOMMENDATION. WE HAVE STAFF FROM A VERY PROFESSIONAL TECHNICAL ASPECT THAT LOOK AT THE CODE AND INTERPRET THE CODE. WE HAVE ADDRESS IT WITHIN OUR CODE AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY. AND AS A CITY TO SAY, OKAY, IF THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION COMES FORWARD, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT. HERE ARE THE CONDITIONS.

HERE IS THE PARAMETERS THAT WE MUST FOLLOW.

WHEN INTEREST COMES TO THIS HEARING.

WE HAVE TO THEN DIGEST THAT INFORMATION AND SEE IF ANYTHING IS CONTRADICTORY. OR IF THERE IS TESTIMONY ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT WOULD HAVE US DENY THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN

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PUT IN PLACE. AND THAT IS MY INTERPRETATION OF HOW WE GO ABOUT DOING THIS. SO, THE CHALLENGE IS -- AND THIS IS A UNIVERSAL CHALLENGE WITHIN, I BELIEVE, GENERATIONS AND I THINK IT IS A UNIVERSAL CHALLENGE WITHIN OUR COUNTRY AND OUR STATE AND OUR CITY THAT, WHAT DO WE DO WITH AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS? HOW DOES IT BENEFIT OR HARM? WHAT ARE THE ISSUES? YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S -- IT IS A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY, ADJACENT PROPERTIES, ZONING DISTRICTS.

BUT OUR -- BUT OUR CODE IS OUR CODE.

OUR CODE HAS BEEN VOTED UPON BY OUR CITY RESIDENTS AND IMPLEMENTED. WE CHANGE IT ALL THE TIME, BUT WE DIDN'T CHANGE IT TODAY FOR THIS APPLICATION.

IT IS NOT -- IT IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE CONVERSATION.

SO WE ARE BOUND BY THESE RULES. SO I DIDN'T HEAR TESTIMONY TONIGHT THAT WOULD PUT ME IN FAVOR OF DENYING THIS APPLICATION UNFORTUNATELY. IT IS VERY MUCH A STRUGGLE WHEN WE ARE SITTING HERE MAKING THIS TYPE OF EVALUATION AND GETTING RECOMMENDATION FROM PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS, PAID BY THE CITY.

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. I WILL SAY TO YOU IT IS VERY DIFFICULT. BECAUSE IT IS.

AND I THINK EVERY ONE OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FEEL THAT WAY ALSO. I HAVE HEARD THEM SAY IT BEFORE.

SO, I AM JUST LOOKING FOR SOME -- SOME MORE COMMUNICATION -- MORE INFORMATION OR COMMUNICATION FROM THIS BOARD, IF THERE IS SOME OTHER WAY. I TOOK NOTES ON MY LITTLE SCRATCH PAPER THAT WILL EVENTUALLY GO SOMEWHERE.

SO WHAT -- WHAT DO WE DO? WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATION AS SOON AS BECAUSE WE HAVE PARTS OF OUR CODE -- THE LAST TIME THIS CAME BEFORE US -- I WILL SUMMARIZE, THE LAST TIME AN APPLICATION CAME BEFORE US, NOT THIS APPLICATION, I WAS VERY STRATEGIC. I MADE A MOTION AT THAT TIME, BECAUSE OF EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THIS COMMISSION AS I WAS SIGNATURE UP HERE THE LAST TIME A TOWER CAME TO US.

AND IT WAS VERY CLEAR AND EXPRESSED LINE BY LLINE RECOMMENDATIONS OF DENIAL BASE ON MY MOTION.

AND I HEARD EVIDENCE THAT LED ME TO THAT RECOMMENDATION.

IN ANOTHER APPLICATION -- AGAIN, NOT THIS APPLICATION.

SO I NEED TO HEAR THAT -- I DIDN'T HEAR THAT IN THE TESTIMONY TONIGHT. SO I NEED TO HEAR THAT.

THIS PROPERTY IS A COMMERCIAL ZONED PROPERTY.

THE OTHER -- THE OTHER ANOTHER ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

SO I NEED HELP FROM MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHAT YOUR PERSPECTIVES ARE WITHIN THE RULES OF CHAPTER -- SECTION 12R5-361 OF OUR CITY CODE. THANK YOU.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I, TOO, WANT TO THANK PEOPLE FROM COMING TONIGHT. THE PEOPLE FROM "HARMONY HEIGHTS AND OTHER PLACES. HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS TO YOU. I KNEW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN EMOTIONAL NIGHT. I KNEW IT WAS BECAUSE I -- WE -- WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING UP TO THIS.

AND I -- I HAVE BEEN VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS DECISION BECAUSE THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY TOUGH DECISION.

I CAN HEAR THE CONCERN AND THE CARE AND THE FEAR AND THE CONCERNS OFF THIS, AND BUT WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW FEDERAL LAW, FEDERAL -- AND FEDERAL LAW REQUIRES US TO TAKE CERTAIN THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE NOT AND A REQUIREMENT THAT WE MUST DO AND I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE DECIDED TO DO.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT A PROPERTY OWNER DECIDED TO DO.

AND IT -- AND IS HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THAT PROPERTY OWNER'S WISH TO DO THIS. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED BY US. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO US. AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY IF THE APPLICANT HAVE FOLLOWED THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT THE CITY REQUIRED IT TO DO.

AND SO WE ARE BOUND OF RULES BEYOND OUR OWN RULES.

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NONE OF US UP HERE ARE HAPPY ABOUT IT, I CAN TELL.

AND I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE.

AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR OPINIONS ARE VALUABLE TO KNEE.

I KNOW MANY OF YOU PERSONALLY. I CONSIDER -- I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS IN THIS ROOM. AND THIS IS A -- WE -- WE HAVE TO CONSIDER COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

AND THAT -- THAT IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. IT IS OUR OWN RULES.

IT IS FEDERAL LAW. AND IT IS ALSO WHAT WE MUST FOLLOW. AND AS COMMISSIONER BRODERICK SAID, WE ARE IN A ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT IS -- HAS THE -- THE RULES HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED.

AND SO -- THIS IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT THING TO DECIDE BECAUSE OF THE CARING THAT I FEEL FOR THIS AUDIENCE AND THE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT WE HAVE BEEN PLACED IN.

BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE CITY WAS PLACED IN THIS -- DID NOT GO

OUT AND SEEK THIS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: MADAM MAYOR, I WAS GOING TO SAY DRESS COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON'S QUESTION RELATIVE TO COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT.

AND I SHARE HIS OPINION. I LOOKED AT IN EXTREMELY SURGICALLY TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS ANY BOUNDARIES THAT HAD NOT BEEN CROSSED, ETC. TO PRECLUDE THIS FROM -- FROM MEETING THE ALERT OF THE LAW AS MAYOR HUDSON HAS OUTLINED IN DETAIL. AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, TO PANE YOUR QUESTION, I AM NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING PRESENTED TONIGHT THAT WOULD KNOCK IT OUT OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PROVISIONS WITHIN OUR CURRENT CODE. THAT IS MY ANALYSIS OF IT.

I AM HOPEFUL THAT SOMEBODY ELSE ON THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE A COUNTERPOSITION TO THAT, BUT SPECIFICALLY WHY MY LINE OF QUESTIONING WAS IN THAT DIRECTION TO DRAW THE INFORMATION OUT AND EVERYTHING JUST CONFIRMS WHAT OUR ZONING WAS ALLOW FOG BE DONE ON THIS SITE.

AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THOSE PARAMETERS.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.

LET'S MOTION AND VOTE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

MAKE A MOTION TO VOTE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MAKE

MOTION TO VOTE. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I WILL PUT IT ON THE RECORD THEN. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET THIS THING TEED UP HERE. I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND PLANNING BOARD RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT WHAT WE ARE SUGGESTING

HERE? >>MAYOR: IS THERE A SECOND? IT FAILS FOR LACK OF SECOND. SO -- AND MISS HEDGES, I HAVE A QUESTION. DEPENDING ON HOW WE VOTE, IF WE DENY OR APPROVE, ARE WE GIVING REASONS FOR THAT? AND I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER FOR THESE MOTIONS.

>> MADAM MAY I DON'T REMEMBER, COMMISSIONERS, IF THE MOTION IS TO DENY, THE REASONS FOR THE DENIAL NEED TO BE PUT ON THE RECORD. COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON ALLUDED TO THIS. THE LAST ONE AROUND, HE WENT THROUGH SPECIFICALLY THE FACTORS 125-361, SUB CONNECTION D, 18 WAS THE FACTORS FOR WHICH YOU ARE EXPECTED TO -- I WOULD RECOMMEND ANALYSIS, ANY SORT OF MOTION TO DENY, TO REFER

BACK TO THAT SECTION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THEN WE NEED THAT SECTION UP? YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SO A MOTION TO APPROVE HAS FAILED.

SO SOMEONE HAS ANOTHER MOTION? >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I AM GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT.

IT IS A CHALLENGE BECAUSE IF IT IS A DENIAL, MY PERSONAL FEELING

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IS, THAT -- THAT -- LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT HAS TO BE VERY STRATEGIC. IT HAS TO BE VERY CLEAR.

IT HAS TO PINPOINT ITEMS WITHIN THE APPLICATION THAT DO NOT SUPPORT THE CODE. AND I FEEL LIKE EVEN IF THERE WAS A MOTION TO APPROVE AND NO VOTE, THE SAME EXACT CAUSE AND REASONING SHOULD BE EXPLAINED, BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR A PRESENTATION OF EVIDENCE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO DENY THIS APPLICATION. AND I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, IF THERE IS -- IF THERE IS MORE CONVERSATION THAT IS BASED ON THE CODE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WAIT A MINUTE.

LET ME MAKE THIS -- CLARIFY FOR MYSELF.

IF THERE IS A MOTION TO DENY, YOU HAVE TO SPECIFY IN YOUR MOTION TO DENY YOUR DENYING IT BASED ON OUR CODE.

CORRECT, MADAM ATTORNEY? >> YES, SHOULD BE BASED ON THE

FACTORS IN THE CODE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: WHEN COMMISSIONER BRODERICK DID THE MOTION TO APPROVE AND THAT WAS SECONDED AND WE CALLED FOR A VOTE; HOWEVER YOU VOTE, YOU VOTE. AND IF SOMEONE SAID NO, YOU DON'T -- YOU DO NOT HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU SAID NO.

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE SO, NO. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK YOU. SO MADAM --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, IF PROPER, IF COMMISSIONER BRODERICK WILL BRING BACK HIS MOTION. IF IT IS PROPER IF HE CAN DO IT AGAIN, I WILL SECOND IT SO WE CAN GET A VOTE.

AND WE WILL KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY STANDS.

IF THAT IS PROPER, MADAM ATTORNEY.

>> YES, SIR. YOU CAN SECOND THE VOTE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I STILL COME BACK TO THE QUESTION OF SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE.

COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON, YOU WERE GOING DOWN THAT PATH OF DISCUSSION. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLEAR THE ISSUE. IN YOUR ANALYSIS, IS THERE SUBSTANTIAL, COMPETENT EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT THIS -- THAT THIS DOES NOT FALL WITHIN THE GUIDELINES OF OUR -- OF OUR INTERNALLY GENERATED ZONING? THIS ISN'T THE STATE OF FLORIDA ISSUE. THIS IS A CITY OF FORT PIERCE ISSUE. THIS IS OUR ZONING AND HOW WE ARE APPLYING IT. THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING THE QUESTION SPECIFICALLY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I KNOW WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE DONE WITH THAT THOUGHT PROCESS, BUT I WAS VERY INTERESTING TO SEE IF YOU HAD ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: SO IN THE TESTIMONY THAT I HEARD TONIGHT, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT COMBATED THE CODE.

AND STAFF'S REPORT, IN THE PLANNING BOARD'S EVALUATION.

THE COMMENTS THAT ARE PUB RECORD, IN THE PRESENTATION FROM THE APPLICANT TONIGHT. THE PUBLIC IS NO OPPOSED TO IT, THOSE WHO SPOKE TONIGHT. AND I DON'T QUESTION THAT.

THE QUESTION IS, THAT BECAUSE QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS, THAT WE HAVE TO ANALYZE AND EVALUATE BASED ON EVIDENCE THAT WAS PRESENTED OF FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT SUPPORTS, BACKS UP OR CONTRADICTS OR DENIES OUR OWN CODE.

SO THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT MY STATEMENTS ARE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: OKAY. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAD SOMETHING THAT I DID NOT SEE OR HEAR IN THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE MY ANALYSIS IS THE SAME AS YOURS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I WILL MAKE, AND -- AGAIN, IT WAS A COMMENTARY FROM ME PERSONALLY OF THE APPLICANT TALKING ABOUT THE -- THE PARCEL AND THE CONDITIONAL USE. THE APPLICANT IS ASKING FOR A SPECIAL CONDITION FROM THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE RESIDENTS OF THE WEATHER CITY. AND SOME OF MY COMMENTARY WAS REGARDING IMPROVEMENTS. TO ME IF YOU ARE ASKING FOR A SPECIAL CASE WHICH IS WHAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE, IF YOU GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, YOU KNOW, AND YOU -- YOU EITHER WORK THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE COMMUNITY ARE, WITH THE STAFF, AND THEN BRINGING THIS APPLICATION, WITH THE STAFF, AN THEN BRINGING THIS APPLICATION FULL CIRCLE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CITY ORDINANCES AND CODES, THEN I WAS JUST MAKING COMMENTARY ABOUT A COMMERCIAL FRONTAGE, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT OFFERED SOME BEAUTIFICATION PARAMETERS, SO MAYBE -- MAYBE THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PART OF OUR MOTION, BUT I IT JUST NEEDED TO BE PUT ON THE RECORD.

IT NEEDED TO BE REITERATED. I DIDN'T REITERATE THAT EARLIER SINCE IT CAME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR COMMENT.

BUTS THAT HE WHERE I AM. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: THANK

YOU FOR YOUR IN-DEPTH ANSWER. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ALL

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RIGHT, WE ARE TALKING AROUND -- LET'S JUST MAKE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THIS. WE HAVE TO VOTE YEA OR NAY BASED OFTEN THE CODE THAT WAS VOTED FOR BEFORE I SAT HERE, BEFORE WE SAT HERE THAT IS IN FRONT OF US. AND THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS CODE THAT IS LISTED THAT SAYS OPPOSITION FROM THE COMMUNITY COUNTS AS EVIDENCE. THAT IS WHERE YOU WERE GOING EARLIER WHEN YOU SAID -- WHEN YOU WERE GOING EARLIER -- WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS A PROBLEM BEFORE WE GOT HERE.

THERE IS NOTHING IN HERE THAT SAYS OPPOSITION FROM RESIDENTS IS EVIDENCE IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING THAT WE COULD USE.

THAT IS THE -- THE CODE IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: RIGHT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SO THE QUESTION WAS ASKED. WHY WOULD I DO THAT? BECAUSE WE NEED TO VOTE ON THIS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO -- NO -- NOTHING IN OUR CODE THAT WE SIT HERE TONIGHT ALLOWS US TO DENY THIS BASED ON OPPOSITION OF A RESIDENT OR SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CITY-BASED ON THE CODE. BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE CODE

WROTE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS A TIME FOR US TO TALK.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I AM TELLING YOU WHAT THE CODE WROTE.

SO WHAT I SAID WAS -- WHAT I SAID WAS, IF YOU GUYS LISTEN, IF YOU GUYS LISTEN, WHAT I SAID WAS, IF YOU MAKE A VOTE, THEN IT COMES TO A VOTE. IT IS A VOTE TO DENY OR A VOTE TO APPROVE. THEN YOU GOT TO GET A VOTE TO APPROVE. YOU NEED TO GET THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF VOTES TO SAY YES OR NAY.

RIGHT NOW UP IN LIMBO BECAUSE EVERYBODY UP HERE KNOWS YOU CAN'T MAKE A MOTION TO DENY BASED ON THE CODE THAT IS IN

FRONT OF US. >>MAYOR HUDSON: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE, THIS IS THE TIME FOR US TO TALK.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SO IF A MOTION IS MADE TO DENY.

EVERYBODY -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL NO NAMES, BUT SINCE -- IF YOU WERE GOING TO TELL THE TRUTH AND MAKE THE LAW, TELL IT LIKE IT IS. THERE IS FEDERAL CASE LAW THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT DENY SOMETHING BASED ON -- BASED ON DON'T WANT IT BASED ON WHAT IS IN THE FUTURE.

I AGREE. WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT THERE ARE FEDERAL CASE LAW. SO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN -- LET IT BE VERY CLEAR. I WILL PUT THIS ON THE RECORD.

WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. IF WE DENY THIS TONIGHT, THERE IS GOING TO BE A LAWSUIT -- THAT MAN HAS A RIGHT TO BRING A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE STATE -- THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

NOW I GOT TO PAY TAXPAYER MONEY TO DEFEND A LAWSUIT THAT THE FEDERAL LAW HAS ALREADY SAID WE CAN'T DO WHAT YOU Y'ALL WANT ME TO DO BASED ON OUR CODE. IT IS SIMPLE AS THAT.

THE CODE IS THE CODE. SO THAT'S I DIDN'T SAID LET'S BRING IT TO A VOTE. EVERYBODY STATE WHERE THEY ARE AND WE GO FROM THERE. THE CODE IS THE CODE.

I CAN'T CHANGE THE CODE IN THE MIDDLE OF A HEARING.

THE CODE HAS TO BE CHANGED BEFORE THEY GOT HERE.

I CAN'T CHANGE THE CODE IN THE MIDDLE OF A HEARING.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE.

GAINESVILLE LOOK HERE, MAN. I AM ABOUT TIRED OF YOU WITH THIS ETHICS. IF YOU THINK I HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG OR ONE OF THESE COMMISSIONERS DONE SOMETHING WRONG, THERE IS AN ETHIC DEPARTMENTS IN TALLAHASSEE, REPORT US. YOU GOT UP HERE TALKING ABOUT ME AND MY -- AND MY OPPORTUNITIES AND MY ORGANIZATIONS.

I HAVEN'T DONE NOTHING IN NONE OF MY ORGANIZATIONS TO PREVENT ME FROM SITTING IN MY SEAT. EVERYTHING I SIT IN THE SEAT, EVERYBODY KNEW WHAT I DID. FOR TO YOU GET UP HERE AND TRY TO PUT MY NAME LIKE I HAVE A CONFLICT, THEN I HAVE A CONFLICT WITH NERVE FORT PIERCE. I AM A COMMUNITY PERSON AND I SHIP EVERYBODY IN FORT PIERCE. I DON'T HAVE TIES WITH VERIZON OR ANYBODY ELSE. MY THING IS FOR FORT PIERCE.

DON'T COME HERE AND TALK ETHICS TO ME.

BECAUSE THE FIRST THING I AM GOING TO DO IS PROTECT MY BAR LICENSE BEFORE ANYWHERE ELSE. DON'T COME HIRING WITH THIS ETHICS FOR ME. IF YOU THINK I HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG, REPORT ME AND LET'S FIGHT IT AND I WILL SHOW YOU I HAVE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG.

DON'T SIT IN THE AUDIENCE TALKING OF ETHICS, MARIO.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONER GAINES. COMMISSIONER GAINES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSION. >>MAYOR HUDSON: OFFICER.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: COME UP HERE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I AM WARNING YOU, MR. WILCOX, I WOULD LIKE

YOU -- >> HE SAID SOMETHING TO ME.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: OFFICER. >> NO, YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS HIM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I AM SORRY ABOUT

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THIS. BUT WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THIS A LITTLE BIT HERE. OKAY.

IF WOULD YOU LEAVE THE CHAMBER SO AS YOU CAN TALK, PLEASE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE DISRUPTING THE PROCEEDINGS.

OFFICERS, WILL YOU ASK HIM TO GO OUT AND YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION OUTSIDE, PLEASE. PLEASE, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> A DOG GONE DEMOCRACY.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>> THE BETTER OFF YOU REALIZE, THE BETTER OFF YOU WILL BE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS.

WE ARE BETTER THAN THIS. I APPRECIATE THE PASSION -- I APPRECIATE THE PASSION AND YOU COMING TO PETITION YOUR GOVERNMENT. YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXERCISE YOUR VOTE.

BUT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE JUST CLEAR WHEN IT COMES TO THE LAW. AND SO, I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION

ON THE FLOOR, RIGHT -- >>MAYOR HUDSON: NO, SIR, IT

FAILED. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: I WAS GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER. IT IS NOT GOING TO GET ANY WORSE. IT IS GOING TO BE WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE. THERE ARE LAWS THAT WE HAVE TO AND WILL FOLLOW. BUT ALSO LAW COMES WITH THE ABILITY TO EXPRESS THROUGH OUR INDIVIDUAL VOTES WHERE THIS IS AND GO FROM THERE. SO THAT IS ALL I AM GOING TO SAY OF THIS MATTER. AND I AM DONE WITH THIS.

LET'S GET -- LET'S MOVE FORWARD. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: CLEARLY THIS IS A CASE WHERE GOVERNMENT ORDINANCE ISN'T SERVING THE CITIZENS. THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

COMMISSIONER GAINES, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S COMMENTS, FOLKS, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE 100% CORRECT.

WE ARE IN A BOX. AND WE HAVE NO WAY OUT.

THAT IS WHY THE DISCUSSIONS WITH COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON RELATIVE TO HIS LOGICAL THOUGHT PROCESS THAT I WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD MISS SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD BE ABLE TO POINT OUT WITH HIS VAST EXPERIENCE UP HERE. HAVING SAID THAT, I WILL WITH HEAVY HEART MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: WITH THE CONDITIONS?

HE IS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: WITH THE CONDITIONS OUTLINED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENTS AND THE PLANNING BOARD. MAYOR MAYOR IS THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ALSO WITH A HEAVY HEART. I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT COMMISSIONER GAINES SAID. IF THIS GOES TO A LAWSUIT AND THIS -- THERE -- THIS CELL TOWER WILL BE BUILT ANYWAY.

IT WILL BE BUILT ANYWAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT POINT.

YOU BOTH RAISE AN EXCELLENT POINT.

THERE IS A SECONDARY PIECE OF LINKAGE, WITH A NO VOTES, WE ARE BURDENING THE TAXPAYERS WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE LEGAL BILL THAT WILL BE INORDINATELY LARGE I AM ASSUMING.

THE LOGIC IS PURE. THE RESULT IS AWFUL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MISS COX, CALLING THE ROLE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: REGRETTABLY, YES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: NO, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MY VOTE IS NO.

>> THAT WAS A NO VOTE. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON:

THAT IS IS A NO. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES,

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION PASSES. >> MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSE

>> MOTION PASSES. MOTION PASSE >> MOTION PASSES.

>> ARE WE READY TO

I. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WE ARE NOW BACK IN SESSION. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR INDU INDULGENCE.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, MAY I HAVE TEN SECONDS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU MAY. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: TOOT PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE LISTENING, I APOLOGIZE FOR LOSING MY TEMPER I AM HUMAN.

IF I OFFENDED YOU BY LOSING MY TEMPER.

[b. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for a Site Plan (Development and Design Review) by applicant Ravi Alur with Aspire Engineering to construct a 4,930 square-feet automated carwash with self-service vacuums at 5340 S. US Highway 1, more specifically at Parcel Control Number: 3403-433-0008-000-2.]

I APOLOGIZE. MADAM MAYOR, LET'S MOVE ON.

>> OUR NEXT QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING IS REVIEW AND APPROVAL FOR A SITE PLAN, DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW BY APPLICANT RAVI ALUR WITH ASPIRE ENGINEERING FOR A 4009-SQUARE-FOOT AUTOMATED CAR

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WASH WITH SELF-SERVICE VACUUMS AT 5340 US HIGHWAY 1.

WE HEARD THE RULES FOR QUASI-JUDICIAL.

HAVE THE ADVERTISEMENT BEEN MET. >> THE ADVERTISEMENT HAVE BEEN

MET. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ASK COMMISSIONERS OF EX-PARTE COMMUNICATION.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: NONE TO REPORT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: NO, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NO, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: NONE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: NO, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CAN YOU SWEAR IN

THE WITNESSES PLEASE. >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE

TRUTH. >> YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: PROCEEDS. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, WHEN I GAVE THE RULES FOR THE QUASI-JUDICIAL ORIGINALLY THERE WAS LANGAGE REGARDING CONTINUED HEARING.

THIS IS NOT A CONTINUED HEARING SO THAT ADMONISHMENT WILL NOT APPLY TO THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING.

>> THANK YOU FOR STATING THAT ON THE RECORD.

PLEASE PROCEED. >>RYAN ALTIZER: COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR, BEFORE YOU IS APPLICATION FOR A SITE PLAN AND REVIEW FOR CAR WASH FOR 5340 SOUTH US HIGHWAY 1.

THE APPLICANT IS RAVI ALUR. AND ASPIRING ENGINEERING AND THE PARCEL ID IS 3403-433-0008-00-2. BE REQUEST FOR APPLICATION OF A SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW FOR A 4930 SQUARE FEET AUTOMATED CAR WASH WITH SELF-SERVICE VACUUMS. WITH THE DESIGN GUIDELINES AND CODE, THE BUILDING IS A SINGLE-STORY MASONRY STRUCTURE WITH LINEAR. THE TINT TO ESTABLISH CORPORATE IMAGES WHICH ARE A MODERN INTERPRETATION TO PRAIRIE DESIGN WITH SOME CRAFTSMAN DETAILING. THE LOCATION -- THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP FOR THE SAID PARCEL BY IS 2.19 GIVE OR TAKE ACRES.

THE FUTURE LAND MAP IS BELOW. THIS IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL GC.

THE ZONING IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

AND THIS IS THE LANDSCAPING PLAN OF THE DEVELOPMENT WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE HERE GIVEN OF THE PLANT MATERIAL LIST THIS IS THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW.

AND SOME RENDERING DONE FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH ONE CONDITION, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT PURSUANT TO BOND 126 SHOULD BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WILL BE APPROVED FOR THE.

AT THEIR JULY 12, TREE MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO GRANT APPROVAL WITH THE ONE CONDITION TO THE CITY COMMISSION. CITY COMMISSION'S ACTIONS TODAY ARE EITHER TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW WITH NO CHANGES, APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW WITH CHANGES, OR DISAPPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND DESIGN REVIEW. THANK YOU.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: IN THIS ORIENTATION, WHICH SIDE IS

U.S. 1 SO I AM ORIENTED? >>RYAN ALTIZER: IN THE PICTURE? U.S. 1 WILL BE THE FURTHEST. THE SITE WE ARE LOOKING FOR WILL

BE TOWARD U.S. 1. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THIS BUILDING ORIENTATION IS EAST TO WEST?

>> YES. I WILL FIND YOU A PICTURE REAL

QUICK OF THE FRONT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE RFRN I AM ASKING BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE IS LONG.

MAKE SURE IT IS NOT PARALLEL. >>RYAN ALTIZER: IT IS NOT PARALLEL. THIS WILL BE BACK.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GO BACK -- I THINK THE SITE PLAN

MAYBE SHOWED IT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS ORIENTED CORRECTLY.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? WILL THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD.

>> HI, GOOD EVENING, I AM PATRICIA ORTIZ.

I'M HERE FOR RAVI ALUR. HE IS NOT FEELING WELL.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> I DON'T. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE

ANYTHING TO ADD. >> STAFF EXPLAIN IT.

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IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSION, I WILL BE HAPPY TO

ANSWER THEM YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS OF THE

APPLICANT? >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WILL YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN AGAIN.

THE ORIENTATION FOR ME ON HOW ACCESS TO AND OFF OF U.S. ONE -- THAT IS THE FRONT PART OF THIS BUILDING.

SO KIND OF WALK ME THROUGH THAT. I WOULD LIKE THE APPLICANT -- IS THIS RIGHT TURN ONLY WHEN THEY COME OUT OF HERE?

>> SURE. WHAT YOU WILL DO IS COMING UP -- HEADING NORTH ON U.S. 1. YOU WILL TURN RIGHT INTO THE FACILITY. THEN THERE ARE GOING TO BE TWO -- IT IS A ONE WAY CONFIGURATION.

YES, YOU WILL BRING YOUR DIRTY CAR RIGHT AROUND THE SOUTHERN BORDER OF THE PROJECT. THEN YOU ARE GOING TO QUEUE UP AT ONE OF THE THREE PAYMENT KIOSKS.

AND ONE BY ONE, YOU WILL BE FUNNELED THROUGH THE CAR WASH BUILDING. CLEAN CARS EXITING THE NORTHWEST 37 AND YOU WILL EITHER ENTER THE VACUUM COURT FOR A SELF-SERVE VACUUMS OF YOUR CAR, OR EXIT RIGHT ONLY ON TO U.S. 1.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

RIGHT ONLY. THE ACCESS IS IF YOU WERE HEADED NORTH ON U.S. 1 NO TURN. YOU HAVE TO TURN AROUND.

>> UNLESS YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: NO, I AM WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

THESE THINGS ARE POPPING UP OVER THE COMMUNITY AND THEY SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC. PEOPLE LIKE CLEAN CARS, I GUESS.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE ORIENTATION OF U.S. 1. THIS IS A BUSY PART OF U.S. 1 AND I NEED ORIENTATION. I NEED TO GO TO GOOGLE MAP TO WHAT IS EXACTLY AROUND THAT MYSELF.

SO I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING.

>> AND I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU ARE SAYING THIS PART OF U.S. 1 IS -- --

EXCUSE ME. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MY ORIENTATION.

CAN YOU MAKE THAT BIGGER? >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SOUTH OF

MIDWAY. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GOT IT. SOUTH OF MIDWAYS.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: BY THE CAR DEALERS.

LOCATION, LOCATION. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: GOT IT. I AM CLEAR NOW.

I AM GOOD. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANY CONCERNS? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING

AND COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL WITH THE ONE CONDITION.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: SECOND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLL. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

[c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-012 review and adoption of a Future Land Use Map Amendment of five (5) parcels of land to change the future land use designations from St. Lucie County designations of Residential Urban (RU) and Commercial (COM) to City designations of High Density Residential (RH) (+/- 80.3 Acres) and General Commercial (CG) (+/- 4.5 Acres).- West Orange located at Orange Avenue and N. Jenkins Road (5 parcels.) Parcel ID's: 2407-241-0001-000-3, 2407-231-0000-000-5, 2407-212-0001-000-3, 2407-221-0001-000-1 and 2407-211-0001-000-0. SECOND READING]

NEXT WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE HEARING OR IN ORDER NANCE 23-012. ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND RESPECT OF PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH JENKINS ROAD AND FLOYD JOHNSON ROAD IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, BEING APPROXIMATELY MORE OR LESS 84.8 ACRES BE THERE AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF 80.3 ACRE OF THE SUBJECT FROM ST. LUCIE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL, URBAN AND COMMERCIAL TO CITY OF FORT PIERCE DESIGNATION OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND AMENDING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF 475 OF THE PROMPT FROM ST. LUCIE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE DESIGNATION OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL AS DESCRIBED IN THE ATTACHED LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND OTHER PURPOSES.

THIS IS A SECOND READING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SECOND READING.

ANYONE INTERESTED IN ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING --

>> YOU HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: OH, SORRY. I APOLOGIZE.

>> CHAIR. MY NAME IS BRENDA CAMPBELL.

I LIVE AT 4910 ORANGE AVENUE. FORT PIERCE.

WE ARE THE FIVE-ACRE PROPERTY THAT IS STILL IN THE COUNTY.

OUR FIVE ACRES AND 4914 THAT ARE STILL IN THE COUNTY AND ANNEXED EVERYTHING IN THE CITY. OUR CONCERN IS SAME AS BASICALLY BEFORE IS TRAFFIC. ON A GIVEN GIVEN DAY, WHEN I GO TO PULL OUT OFF OF MY ROAD WHICH IS NOT A NAMED ROAD, IT IS

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ACTUALLY THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF SLED CONTROL OF U.S. 1.

I HAVE TO TAKE A RIGHT. AND I HAVE TO GO DOWN AND TAKE A LEFT TO GO BACK EAST INTO TOWN. OKAY.

ANYWHERE FROM 4:30 AND 6:30. THAT CAN TAKE TEN MINUTES EASY, SOMETIMES LONGER WITH TRAFFIC COMING OUT OF TOWN, YOU KNOW.

COMING FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING BUSINESSES COMING OUT.

THEN WHEN I DO GET TO WHERE I HAVE TO MAKE A LEFT TO COME BACK AROUND, I HAVE PEOPLE WORKING WEST OF TOWN COMING THE OTHER WAY AND I SIT THERE. SO I HAVE GOT 15 MINUTES.

AND I AM NOT EXAGGERATING. IT COULD BE MORE.

SO OUR CONCERN IS -- AND LIKE IN THE OTHER MEETING WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE HERE THAT -- SUBDIVISION THAT IS COMING ON -- OFF OF ORANGE. AND THEN NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING OFF OF RIVER BEND, ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING INTO THAT SAME AREA THERE. THEY HAVE TO EITHER GO EAST OR WEST. AND I JUST THINK THAT THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE NEED THERE.

I REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF A CONCERN WITH THE COMMERCIAL, BECAUSE COMMERCIAL IS GOING TO BE THERE 8 TO 5.

AND -- BUT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE -- HOWEVER HIGH DENSITY, YOU WILL HAVE PROBABLY TWO CARS FOR EVERY HOUSE HOLD.

THAT IS GOING TO PUT THAT MUCH MORE TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE IN THAT HUB. AND SO I AM HOPING THAT YOU WILL MAKE SOME RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. AND NOT ALLOW THAT.

BECAUSE IT IS JUST NOT WHAT SHOULD BE IN THAT AREA.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE WANTING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME. >> JOE CAMPBELL, 4910 ORANGE AVENUE. I HAVE OWNED THIS PROPERTY, AND BEFORE ME, MY MOTHER DID, AND BEFORE HER, HER MOTHER DID.

SO SINCE THE EARLY 1900S, WE HAVE OWNED THIS PROPERTY.

AND SOMETHING HAPPENED HERE JUST RECENTLY TO WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THIS SURROUNDING ACREAGE DECIDED TO TELL THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAD -- THAT HAD COWS ON THERE THAT THEY NEEDED TO GET THE COWS OFF. THAT THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT ANY ANYMORE. WELL, THAT WAS ALL WELL AND GOOD, BUT THE COWS WERE KEEPING THE FOLIAGE DOWN TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT. WELL, NOW, THE PEPPER TREES AND STUFF HAVE GROWN ACROSS, OVER THE FENCE, OVER MY DITCH AND OVER ON TO MY PROPERTY. AND IT IS -- IT IS NOW SLOWING UP THE DRAINAGE. SO WE HAVE A DRAINAGE PROBLEM.

AND WHICH ALSO MAKES FOR MOSQUITOES TOO.

BUT THE WORSE THING IS THE -- IS THE DRAINAGE.

SO, WE HAVE GOT THAT PROBLEM. AND I CALLED THE OWNER.

I CALLED THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN CHARGE OF THE PROJECT.

AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD TALK TO THE OWNER, BUT THEY HAVEN'T SAID OR DONE ANYTHING ABOUT THE DRAINAGE OR ABOUT THE TREES

GROWING OVER ON TO MY PROPERTY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NOPE. THAT SHOULD DO IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS ISN'T A DIALOGUE, YOU JUST TALK AND WE LISTEN. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND --

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS, FLORIDA FREEMAN.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT AND THE NEXT STEPS IN THE PROCESS HERE WITH ANY OF THE CONCERNS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD. CAN YOU KIND OF LAY OUT OUR PROCESS. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THIS?

>> SO THIS IS A -- WHAT WE CALL AN ADOPTION HEARING.

THIS WAS -- THIS APPLICATION WAS NOTIFIED TO THE STATE SOME TIME AGO. THEY APPROVED IT AND GAVE THE OPTION FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO ADOPT THIS FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE. THIS IS THAT HEARING.

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IT WILL BE RESUBMITTED TO THE STATE, AND THEY WILL HAVE 30 DAYS. AFTER THAT, THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE COMES INTO FULL FORCE AND EFFECT.

SUBSEQUENTLY TO THAT, IF ANY DEVELOPMENT WAS TO HAPPEN ON THIS, THEN WOULD YOU SEE COMING BEFORE YOU A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION BASED ON THE ZONING THAT WAS ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED FOR THIS PROPERTY. NEIGHBORS WOULD BE CONSULTED.

THE PROPERTY IS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND SO, IT BECOMES SUBJECT TO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE UNDER FORT PIERCE, SO IF WE RECEIVE -- IF THE CITY RECEIVES IT COMPLAINTS OR ISSUES, THAN THAT WOULD GO TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WOULD BE QUICKLY DEALT WITH, HOPEFULLY THROUGH NEGOTIATION AND ACTION

FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU, SIR. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD, WITH THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT AND WITH APPLICATION THAT WILL COME FORWARD, SPECIFICALLY THE CAMPBELLS HAVE BROUGHT TO US TODAY TALKING OF DRAINAGE AND TRAFFIC.

WHAT HAPPENS IN THAT? >> EVERYTHING YOU HEARD WILL BE UP FOR FULL ANALYSIS. AND DESIGN.

TRAFFIC WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE CAPACITY OF THOSE ROADWAYS WHICH WOULD BE CONSULTED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY. WE WOULD NEED EVIDENCE AT THAT TIME THAT THE CONCURRENCY AND TRAFFIC DEMANDS WERE AVAILABLE.

WE WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER PLAN FOR ANY PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND PART OF THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT THAT -- THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PROTECTS OR ADJACENT DEVELOPMENT IS OR LAND OWNERSHIP IS PROTECT BY WHATEVER GOES ON ON THAT PROPERTY THROUGH PROPER DRAINAGE CONTROL AND ENGINEERING OF ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT CAME IN. HAND THIS WOULD BE APPROVED BY THE CITY'S ENGINEERING AND ALSO WE WOULD HAVE STATEMENTS FROM A SIGNED AND SEALED ENGINEER WHO WILL BE DESIGNING THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WOULD SEE COMING BEFORE YOU.

IF. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT TOO.

PART OF IT -- AND I KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT WITH THE REVIEW OF THE CONCURRENCY, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO ORANGE AVENUE WHICH IS JENKINS ROAD, COUNTY, CONNECTED TO THIS.

THERE IS A LOT OF TRACTION AND ATTENTION IN THIS CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW. THERE COULD BE THE ADDITION OF A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION. THE STATE WILL WEIGH IN.

>> THEY WILL LOOK AT THE NUMBERS AND WHETHER THAT WAS WARRANTED TO GENERATE A TRAFFIC SIGNALIZATION SOMEWHERE ALONG THERE, WHETHER THAT LOCATION OR SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THAT WOULD BE UP A TO THE AGENCIES TO DETERMINE THAT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: RIGHT.

WHEN THE STATE WEIGHED IN ON THIS WITH THEIR COMMENTS AND THEIR, YOU KNOW -- BASICALLY THEIR ACCEPTANCE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE. WERE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS WE SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT?

>> THE AN ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED DID COME FROM FDOT, I BELIEVE, AND SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. THOSE RELATED TO, IN ESSENCE, CONCURRENCY, AND LOOKING AT ENSURING THAT THE CITY TOOK ACCOUNT OF ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE.

WHAT WE -- WE GET THE APPROVAL FROM THE STATE.

AND WE -- WE ALSO CONSULT A NUMBER OF STATE AGENCIES DURING THIS PROCESS. AND THOSE GET REPORTED TO THE STATE AS WELL. THOSE COMMENTS, THEY CAN COME BACK AND OBJECT TO ANYTHING THAT WE WERE DOING.

AND WE WOULD HAVE TO RESOLVE NOSE BEFORE WE SENT IT BACK TO THE STATE. THE COMMENTS WE RECEIVED ARE CALLED TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE COMMENTS WHICH IS -- ALMOST LIKE AN AMBER LIGHT TO TELL US, HEY, BEWARE OF THESE THINGS.

IF YOU ARE NOT ADDRESSING THESE THINGS AT THE TIME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL BE HAVING AN ISSUE WITH YOU.

AND THERE ARE A NUMBER THINGS WHICH RELATE TO THE JENKINS ROAD OVERLAY. WE ADDRESS THOSE WITH THE APPLICANT DURING THIS PROCESS. SOME OF THE OVERLAY, I BELIEVE, WAS CHANGED DURING THIS PROCESS AND IT DIDN'T EFFECT US TO A GREATER EXTENT THE PROPOSAL AS IT DID WHEN WE FIRST LOOKED AT

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TH THIS.

THE APPLICANT SAY WARE OF ALL THESE THINGS.

WE ARE AWARE OF ALL THESE THINGS.

THE STATE AGENCIES WHEN THEY CONSULTED WILL MAKE COMMENT BASED ON THEIR ASSESSMENT OF THE IMPACT OF THIS OR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THEIR CAPACITY AND TRAFFIC NUMBERS AND DRAINAGE AND SO FORTH. SO EVERYBODY IS AWARE OF ALL THIS. A SITE PLAN WILL GO THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS OF THE CITY. AND THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY -- PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY COMMISSION WILL SEE THOSE, AS WELL AS THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND STAFF.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THANK YOU, SIR.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: AND -- YEAH, GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER GAINESST

GAINES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: REAL QUICK. I UNDERSTAND WE ARE WAITING ON THE STATE AND STUFF GOING ON, MY CONCERN -- MY IMMEDIATE CONCERN IS ANYTHING THAT WE CAN TO DO HELP THIS RESIDENT WITH THIS FLOODING AND OVERGROWTH OF VEGETATION THAT IS LEADING TO A MOSQUITO PROBLEM. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT AREA.

AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IF SOME STANDING WATER IS COMING, HOW -- HOW THE MOSQUITOS ARE COMING. ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IN THE PROCESS TO TRY TO AID THE RESIDENT THAT CAME IN TODAY?

>> HAVING HEARD WHAT THE RESIDENT HAS COME FORWARD ARE, WE WILL -- I WILL BE CONTACTING PERSONALLY WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND TRYING TO RESOLVE THE

ISSUES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: THANK

YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. MR. MIMMS.

>>NICHOLAS MIMMS: MADAM MAYOR AND CITY OF THE COMMISSION, I HAVE THE COMPLAINT AND I WILL BE COMMUNICATING TOMORROW WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND WHETHER THAT IS CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT OR COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE WILL ENFORCE THE CODES OF THOSE TWO ENT TREES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY IS MAINTAINED

IN AN ACCEPTABLE CAPACITY. >>MAYOR HUDSON: APPRECIATE THAT.

WE HEARD YOU. OKAY.

I DID CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY CAN'T REMEMBER.

>> WE DID. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: WE DID. CAME BACK FOR STAFF COMMENT.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: COMMISSION COMMENT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ALL RIGHTY. IS THERE A MOTION?

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: MADAM MAYOR, NOTION APPROVE ORDINANCE

23-012. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I WILL SECOND WITH A COMMENT. AND I APPRECIATE MR. AND MRS. CAMPBELL FROM TALKING TO US. YOU SEE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE NOT VERY OFTEN WE ARE TALKING OF 80-ACRE PARCELS BY ANY MEANS. I KNOW IT IS GOING -- IT IS A CHANGE. A CHANGE IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY WATCHING OUR CITY GROW, WATCHING THE COUNTY GROW, AND I KNOW IT IS A CHALLENGE AND I KNOW IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE KEEP A WATCHFUL EYE AND HOW WHICH GROW AND DEVELOP OUR CITY.

YOUR COMMENTS WERE TAKEN. AND NOTES.

AND I KNOW STAFF -- I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM PER YOUR REQUEST ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT.

IN LIEU OF RESIDENTIAL, CONNECTING TO ORANGE AVENUE OR JENKINS ROAD. YOU ARE BEING HEARD.

SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU FOR RREITERATING THAT.

CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> MADAM MAYOR, BEFORE DO YOU THAT. CAN I POINT OUT THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I AM PROPOSING.

I THINK WE NEED MORE THAN JUST A -- THE ADOPTION OF THE ORDINANCE, WE NEED TO HAVE SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS ATTACHED TO THE MOTION. SO WHEN IT FORWARDS TO THE NOW DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, WE HAVE IT ON RECORD.

THANK YOU. >>MAYOR HUDSON: SO YOU WANT MORE

SPECIFICS ABOUT -- >> WE SHOULD BE MAKING A

RECOMMENDATION TO ADOPT. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: I GOTCHA, MAN. MADAM MAYOR, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TO NOTIFY THE DEPARTMENT OF

COMMERCIAL. >> SECOND.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KEVIN, FOR STRAIGHTENING

US OUTS. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: YES, MA'AM.

[d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-048 amending the Mayor and Commission annual salaries. FIRST READING]

>>MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE ORDINANCE 23- 23-0248.

AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, DIVISION SECTION 2-19, COMPENSATION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES ESTABLISHING THE COMPENSATION DUE TO MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, PROVIDE FOR SEVERABILITY AND APPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THE FIRST READING. ANY DISCUSSION BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? ANY DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO MOVEMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN

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DISCUSSION OR A MOTION. >>COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON: MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 23-048.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SECOND. >>MAYOR HUDSON: A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

>> OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS UNDER CITY COMMISSION, ITEM FOR INFORMATION, DISCUSSION ONLY.

[a. ITEM FOR INFORMATION/DISCUSSION ONLY - Staff Notification of an affordable housing project 'Sound Meadows' submitted under the provisions of the 'Live Local Act'.]

STAFF NOTIFICATION OF AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT SOUND MEADOWS SUBMITTED UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF THE LIVE LOCAL

ACT. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WELL, THIS IS ANOTHER THING THAT THIS THE STATE LAW HAS GONE INTO EFFECT AND ALL WE GET TO DO IS LISTEN TO THIS.

WE HAVE NO STAY IN THIS. I JUST WANT TO START THAT OFF LETTING US KNOW. MR. FREEMAN KEV THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, YES, THERE IS BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU FOR INFORMATION ONLY. AND I WILL GO THROUGH WHY THAT IS THE CASE. SO UNDERED LIVE LOCAL ACT, THERE WAS SOME PROVISIONS AT WHICH MEAN THAT CERTAIN PROCEDURES AND CERTAIN REVIEW, PUBLIC HEARINGS AND SO FORTH ARE TAKEN OUT OF THE -- IF YOU LIKE THE REMIT MUCH THE CITY COMMISSION.

AND I WILL GO THROUGH THIS APPLICATION, AND WITHIN THAT, THERE WILL BE AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT THESE THINGS MEAN.

THE LIVE LOCAL ACT WAS ADOPTED IN EARLY JULY, AND SPECIFICALLY AIMED TO DELIVER AFFORDABLE HOUSING INTO LOCATION WHERE PREVIOUSLY IT BOO HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT TO GET A FUTURE LAND USE OR SPRAY BEEN DIFFICULT TO GET A FUTURE LAND USE OR A ZONING CHANGE. EVEN SO -- EVEN SAYING THAT, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OBLIGATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLICANTS HAVE TO MEET AS WELL AS THE OBLIGATION AND REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY HAS TO MEET.

AND ALL THOSE ARE IN THE STATE STATUTE.

TO ALLOW MULTIFAMILY AND LOWABLE USES OF COMMERCIAL AREAS AND MIXED USE IF 40% OF THE UNITS IN A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS PREPARED FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS AFFORDABLE AS DEFINED IN STATE STATUTE 420. AT THE AND I DO HAVE AN EXTRACT LATER FOR 20. BUT THE CITY MAY NOT RESTRICT THE DENSITY OF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT UNDER THIS SUBSECTIONS BELOW THE HIGHEST ALLOWABLE DENSITY ON ANY YOU LAND IN THE MUNICIPALITY WHERE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS ALLOWED. IN CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE HIGHEST RESIDENTIAL DENSITY WITHIN THE CITY THAT IS ALLOWED AT THE MOMENT ARE 30 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE.

ANY PROPOSAL THAT COMES IN CAN -- IF THEY CAN PUT THE THINGS ON GET UP TO 30 UNITS PER ACRE. REGARDING THE HEIGHT OF A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE TO LOOK WITHIN A MILE RADIUS OF THE PROPOSED SITE AND THAT IS RESTRICTED TO WHATEVER IS ALLOWED WITHIN THAT MILE RADIUS IN TERMS OF THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT.

THAT CAN BE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL OR MINIMUM ALLOWABLE THREE STORIES. IT CAN GO LOWER THAN THAT OR SINGLE STORY. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO GO THREE STORIES AND WE LOOK AT THE MILE RADIUS AND DETERMINE WHETHER THAT WILL BE -- IF THEY COULD GO HIGHER, AGAIN, IF THEY COULD PIT THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE PR PROPERTY.

THIS IS WHERE THE OBLIGATION OF THE CITY COMES MORE TO LIFE, IF YOU LIKE. THAT -- THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IF IT CAN COMPLIES WITH THIS SECTION OF THE FLORIDA STATE STAT STATUTES MUST BE REVIEWED UNDER A MULTIFAMILY ZONING. AND IN THE CITY, THE APPROPRIATE MULTIFAMILY ZONING THAT YOU WILL USE TO DO THIS SORT OF DEVELOPMENT IS R-5. SO WE HAVE APPLIED A R-5 ZONING REVIEW STANDARDS TO THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO ANY SITE PLAN WILL NEED TO MEET THOSE.

SO THERE ARE SETBACKS, LOT COVERAGE.

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BUFFERS AND OTHER THINGS THAT TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE WILL REVIEW. SO GOES THROUGH THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. ENTIRELY ADMINISTRATIVE.

AND THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HE HEARINGS.

THERE ARE NO ANALYSIS BY THE PLANNING BOARD.

AND IN ESSENCE, IT GOES THROUGH THE SAME PROCEDURE THAT THE STAFF WILL GO THROUGH FOR A MINOR SITE PLAN.

SO WE WOULD HAVE ANY SITE PLAN THAT IS LESS THAN 4,000 SQUARE FEET FOR COMMERCIAL WOULD GO THROUGH A MINOR SITE PLAN.

SO WE USE THAT AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS.

SO IT GOES THROUGH TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE.

IT IS REVIEWED BY ALL THE ENTITIES THAT -- THAT WOULD NORMALLY REVIEW A SITE PLAN BEFORE IT WILL COME TO YOU NORMALLY. AND WE HAVE HAD THE FIRST ROUND OF REVIEWS BACK AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES WITH THE REVIEW THAT YOU -- THAT WE WOULD SATISFY ANYWAY BEFORE IT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU. STAFF OBVIOUSLY IS OBLIGATED TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS FULLY THE CODE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE USED IN THE CITY. AND THE APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THAT. AND WE DON'T GET TO NEGOTIATE ON ISSUES. IT IS NOT A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.

IT IS NOT -- IF IT MEETS THE STANDARDS, YOU HEARD AN APPLICATION JUST IN THIS MEETING, IF IT FLEETS THE STANDARDS, IT GETS MOVED FORWARD.

IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION, ON WON IT PARCELS OF LAND, CONTIGUOUS. ON THE EAST SIDE OF U.S. 1 NORTH OF TUMBLING COMPANYCLANG ROAD. GENERAL COMMERCIAL AND C-3 ZONING THAT MEETS WITH COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND IT CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THAT BASIS. HERE IS WHERE THE SITE IS.

TUMBLING CLING. U.S. 1.

HERE IS THE SITE. FRONTS U.S. 1.

FUTURE LAND USE. GENERAL COMMERCIAL.

ZONING. C-3.

THERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. IT IS ARRANGED IN WOULD WE WOULD NORM TALLY SEE AS AN ARRANGEMENT FOR MULTIFAMILY, SOMETHING YOU WILL SEE COME BEFORE YOU. WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING UNUSUAL WITH THIS. WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY ASKS FOR BUFFER VARIANCES OR ANYTHING.

IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AGAINST THE CITY'S R-5 ZONING DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS. AND ALSO IT NEEDS TO COMPLY WITH ALL OTHER PERMITS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE OBTAINED BEFORE IT WOULD COME TO THE PLANNING BOARD OR THE CITY COMMISSION.

NOW PART OF THIS DEAL IS THAT THE APPLICANT NEEDS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THESE PROPERTIES WILL BE MAINTAIN AS AFFORDABLE AS DEFINED IN FLORIDA STATE STATUTES.

AND THAT IS QUITE CLEAR IN WHAT THAT MEANS.

WE ARE ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION OF THIS FROM THE APPLICANT.

AND THAT WOULD NEED TO BE PUT IN PLACE.

AND WE WOULD NEED TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY HOW THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED AND MONITORED, BUT WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT AT THE MOMENT. AS YOU SEE, THE AFFORDABILITY IS BASED ON STATE STATUTE, WHICH IS NORMALLY BASED ON THE PORT ST.

LUCIE MSA, WHICH IS THE CACHE METROPOLITAN SERVICE AREA, I THINK. AND YOU SEE THE CATEGORIES ON THE SECOND COLUMN RANGE FROM 30% TO 80%.

I THINK THAT FITS IN WITH THE DEFINITION WITHIN THE STATE STATUTE. AND THAT APPLIES TO, IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE RENTAL, THE MAXIMUM RENT ALLOWED TO BE CHARGED FOR SAY A TWO BEDROOM AND 30% PERCENTAGE CATEGORY WOULD BE $621. AND THAT WOULD GO ALL THE WAY UP TO IF YOU WERE IN THE 80% INCOME CATEGORY, THAT YOU WOULD BE PAYING $2,000 -- SORRY FOR A TWO BEDROOM, $1525.

SO THERE ARE A RANGE OF RENTAL OPTIONS THERE.

AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW THAT 30-YEAR AGREEMENT IS MANAGED AND

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WHAT IS PROPOSED IN THERE. THERE IS A WINDOW.

AND WE HAVE NO SAY ON WHAT PROPORTIONS THAT FITS.

WE WOULD HOPE THERE WILL BE A BALANCE OF ACCOMMODATION IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS. AGAIN, WE HAVE LITTLE CONTROL

OVER ENFORCING THAT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: MADAM

MAYOR. >>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS THE

EXTENT OF YOUR -- >> YES, IT IS.

AS I SAID IT IS FOR INFORMATION ONLY.

AS WE GET THESE THINGS COMING THROUGH, STAFF REALLY WANTING TO BRING THESE FORWARD SO YOU DO GET OVERSIGHT OF AT LEAST KNOWING WHERE THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT

A PUBLIC HEARING. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

GREAT IDEA. YES, SIR.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: JUST A LEARNING MOMENTS.

IN GENERAL, NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS APPLICATION FOR IN PROJECT, COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, RESIDENTIAL COMBINED, THAT IS THE STATE STATUTE. THAT IS ALLOWABLE.

IT DOESN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT OR GET INTO THE OTHER CATEGORIES WITHIN OUR CITY SUCH AS INDUSTRIAL.

>> YES, IT APPLIES TO INDUSTRIAL AS WELL.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: APPLIES TO INDUSTRIAL?

>> INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL ARE THE ESSENTIALLY ARE THE TWO MAIN CATEGORIES. DISCUSSION AMONGST MY PEERS WHAT THIS MEANS IN TERMS OF REVIEW AND HOW TO PROTECT.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT COULD ARISE IS WE HAVE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CLOSE TO INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY WHICH IS NOISY ACTIVITY.

AND WE HAVE CITY'S NOISE ORDINANCE WHERE WE HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL PROCESS GOING ON. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE RESIDENTIAL THERE. AND THE NEW RESIDENTS MAY START COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE FROM THE EXISTING INDUSTRIAL.

SOFT NOTHING IN THE STATE STATUTE THAT SAYS WE CAN'T AMEND THE CODE. AND WE HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS AS STAFF TO MAYBE INCREASE BUFFER SIZES IN THE R-5 IF IT IS ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL OR IF WE LOOK AT ADDING MORE PROTECTIONS TO INDUSTRIAL THROUGH THE SOUND ORDINANCE AND LOOKING AT THAT DISTANCE AND SO FORTH.

SO THE FIRST OPTION I WOULD BE -- I AM WORKING ON RIGHT NOW IS LOOKING AT THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL SPECIFICALLY. WE DO HAVE IN THE CITY VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY BETWEEN C-3 TO COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ANYWAY AND B+UFFERS IN PLACE TO REQUIRE THAT.

IT IS AN UNUSUAL SITUATION THAT YOU WILL GET A RESIDENTIAL

COMING IN AGAINST INDUSTRIAL. >> IT COULD HAPPEN.

AND THE ONLY THING GOING AGAINST THAT IS THAT WE HAVE A SMALL AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL. AND SMALL AMOUNT OF INDUSTRIAL USE AND THERE IS DEMAND FOR THAT.

I DON'T SEE THE LIKELIHOOD OF INDUSTRIAL GOING INTO RESIDENTIAL. AND MAY BE COMMERCIAL ZONED WHICH ARE ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL WHICH COULD BE AFFECTED.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THAT IS THE CHALLENGE I SEE.

YOU AND I CAN TALK ABOUT THIS SIDE BAR LITTER, BUT MY CHALLENGE, COMMISSIONERS IS -- IS BEFORE I START TALKING TO MY

STATE FOLKS. >>MAYOR HUDSON: I WAS GOING TO

BRING THAT UP. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: CALL THEM ON THE PHONE. THE CHALLENGE IS THAT WE ARE TAKING COMMERCIAL FLOORS WE STRATEGICALLY ZONED OR REZONED AND STRATEGIZED OF HOW TO TRANSITIONALLY ZONE OUR RESIDENTIAL INTO MULTIFAMILY TO LIGHT COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND THEN INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS.

AND OFF CORRIDOR ON U.S. 1 ARE THERE IS NOT MANY AMENITIES IN THAT SECTION OF U.S. 1 FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT AND COULD HAPPEN ANYWHERE WHERE YOU ARE TALKING OF TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, CONNECTIVITY TO GROCERY STORES AND THINGS -- THE WAY YOU PLAN A COMMUNITY.

SO WHEN YOU TALK WITH YO YOUR PEERS.

MY LAST QUESTION AND I AM NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.

DO YOU -- WHAT -- I THOUGHT THE STATE HAD REGULATIONS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING LOCATED TO ITEMS SUCH AS AN AIRPORT.

THEY ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT PART OF THE LAW THAT THEY MADE?

AND -- >> THIS IS TOTALLY SEPARATE AS FAR AS I COULD SEE. TOTALLY INDEPENDENT.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I REMEMBERED THAT IN THE STATE STATUTE SOMEWHERE. I REMEMBERED THAT SPECIFICALLY.

AS A PLANNING AGENT, WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT I REMEMBER THE STATE SAID, NO, NO, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

>> IT IS THE NOISE ISSUE. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THE NOISE THING, THAT IS RIGHT. LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES SAY IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS YEARS AGO. I AM TALKING 15, 20 YEARS AGO.

LET'S PUT IT RIGHT HERE AND BY THE AIRPORT ENTRANCE, EASY, PEASY. COMPLAINTS AND SOMEONE FIGURED

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THAT WAS A BAD IDEA AND BE I THINK IT IS SOMEWHERE ON THE

BOOKS SOMEWHERE. >> IT IS STILL ON THE BOOKS REFERS TO THE NOISE AND THE FLIGHT PATHS AND DECIBEL LEVELS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: ASK ST. LUCIE VILLAGE.

>> THE WHICH WE WOULD PROCESS THAT, THAT WOULD BE A REVIEW I SHALL PEW. AND IF IT DIDN'T MEET THAT -- THAT IS A STATE LAW AND FAA AND WHATEVER THAT IS.

I THINK THAT WOULD OVERRIDE THIS.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: OKAY. >> THAT IS THE WAY I WOULD BE

LOOKING TO APPLY IT. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON:

SPLRT. >> THE OTHER WAY OF LOOKING ABOUT THIS. I TRIED TO BE POSITIVE AND OPTIMISTIC WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I KNOW YOU ARE TRYING.

>> I AM TRYING. THE GOOD PIECE OF THIS IS THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS ADJACENT TO AREAS OF EMPLOYMENT AND ALSO THE SHOPPING BENEFITS.

THAT IF WE DID INCREASE. AND I SEE THESE DEVELOPMENTS EVEN IF THEY ARE AFFORDABLE AS HAVING SOME DISPOSABLE INCOME AND WORK FORCE COMING INTO THOSE AREAS.

IF YOU WANT TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES AND ENCOURAGE MORE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IN ITS PLACES THAT ARE CURRENTLY WORKING, THEN PROVIDING A WORK FORCE FOR DISPOSAL KNACK IS GOING TO INFLUENCE THE SUCCESS OF THAT COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY I AM QUITE OPTIMISTIC IF THESE GO IN THE RIGHT PLACE, IT THAT YOU WILL ENCOURAGE MORE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY CLOSE TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING THERE.

IT IS A BALANCE. AND THERE IS A GOLDEN RATIO SOMEWHERE. I CAN'T RECALL.

SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN TO ONE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. I THINK IT IS SEVEN SQUARE FEET TO EVERY ONE SQUARE FEET RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL WHICH IS A GOLDEN NUMBER I TRY TO WORK TO THAT SAYS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE SELF-SUSTAIN AND THAT IT IS GOING HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE. A NUMBER OF DISPOSAL INCOME AND HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL FLOOR SPACE THAT ALIGN TO THE COMMERCIAL MANUFACTURER. GETS JOBS.

SELLS PRODUCTS. NEEDS REVENUE.

THE RESIDENTS PROVIDE WORKFORCE AND REVENUE FOR THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES. IT IS A BALANCE.

IT HAS GOT TO BE DONE IN THE RIGHT WAY AT THAT TAKES AWAY -- THE ONLY THING ABOUT THIS, TAKES AWAY THAT PLANNING PIECE, THAT WE NEED TO HAVE RESIDENCY. YOU LOSE A BIT OF THAT.

I LOOKED AT THE ZONING WE HAVE IN FORT PIERCE, AND SOME OF THE -- THE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN TERMS OF PEOPLE COMING FORWARD AND CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE AND AN LEX INTO THE CITY. AND IT IS A SIMILAR PATTERN.

WE DO SEE CHANGES FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL.

WE HAVE SEEN THAT ALONG U.S. 1. WE HAVE SEEN ANNEXATION COMING IN. THE ONE WE JUST HAD RESIDENTIAL IN THE AREA OF ORANGE. SO IT -- -- I AM TRYING TO BE

POSITIVE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: ARE YOU FINISHED? NOT YOU, AND IT IS PROBABLY -- I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT.

I AM LIKE YOU, COMMISSIONER. I HAD TO CALL MY STATE PEOPLE BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THIS LAST PUT UP HERE AND I AM LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE NUMBERS FOR NO BEDROOMS, ONE BEDROOM.

I AM LOOKING AT THE HIGHEST BECAUSE I AM THINKING THAT THE WHOLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS ALSO TRYING TO HELP OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, TEACHERS AND, YOU KNOW, I AM JUST -- I AM LOOKING AT THIS -- I GOT TO GO UP AND SEE -- BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE -- YOU KNOW, TEACHERS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GOING TO FALL BETWEEN THAT 80% AND 50%, 15, 17, YOU KNOW -- IT WILL BE KIND OF HARD ALMOST LIKE WE ARE STILL HURTING THEM.

THAT IS NOT YOU. I AM LOOKING AT THESE NUMBERS.

AND WHAT REALLY STUCK OUT WAS -- AND I JUST -- ALMOST 1200 FOR SOMETHING CALLED A ZERO BEDROOM UNIT.

THAT IS STUDIO. STUDIO FOR $1200 FOR -- OKAY, SO I KNOW -- I KNOW SOME -- SOME FIRST RESPONDERS AND SOME TEACHERS, YOU KNOW, THAT -- THAT IS --

>>MAYOR HUDSON: THAT IS MANHATTAN PRICES.

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>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: OKAY, LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP SINCE YOU BROUGHT THIS FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY, BUT I WILL BE PROBABLY MAKING SOME OF THE SAME PHONE CALLS THAT COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH IS MAKING, BUT I UNDERSTAND THESE NUMBERS AREN'T AFFORD TO ME AND THEY ARE NOT ADDING UP.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: THOSE ARE STALKING TO AND I DID INTERVIEWS FOR THOSE WITH THE TRANSIT.

ST. LUCIE TRANSIT. SO I DID THIS TODAY.

I KNEW THIS WAS COMING. I DIDN'T BRING IT UP, BUT JUST PLANNING THE COMMUNITY AND TALKING OF TRANSIT-RELATED ACTIVITIES, YOU KNOW THIS CHANGES MY MIND SET ON HOW -- WHAT MY COMMENTS ARE TO THE TRANSIT FOLKS AND HOW THEY ARE GROWING ST. LUCIE COUNTY TRANSIT, ART.

THAT CHANGES A LITTLE BIT. THAT IS ALL RIGHT.

I AM OKAY WITH CHANGE. I HAVE TO ADAPT TO IT.

AND ODD -- I NEVER HEARD OF SEVEN-TO-ONE RATIO.

I APPRECIATE THAT MAYOR MAYOR IS INTERESTING.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: I KNEW THERE WAS A RATIO AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS A MAGIC WAND.

I WORRY OF THE AREAS OF FORT PIERCE AND ATTRACTION HAVE GONE AWAY FROM CERTAIN AREAS LIKE U.S. 1 OR SPECIFIC CORRIDOR DOORS OF U.S. 1 OR HOW D.O.T. DESIGNS U.S. 1 TO MAKE COMMERCIAL SUPPORT RESIDENTS LIVING THERE.

HOW THEY GO TO THE GROCERY FOR AND GO TO WORK.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: AND WILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO IT.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: I WAS GOING TO ADD.

MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS THERE WILL BE A PUSH TO FIX THE

GLITCHES IN THE BILL. >> I BELIEVE SO, YES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: SO, I WOULD CERTAINLY LOVE TO HAVE YOUR -- AS YOU ARE GOING ALONG YOUR INPUT ON THIS.

THERE IS QUITE A NUMBER OF MUNICIPALITY.

THE ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE QUITE UPSET ABOUT THIS BILL AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT REASONS THEY GIVE.

BUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE, THIS WAS HER PRIORITY, AND SHE WORKED ON THIS FOR A WHOLE YEAR. BY THE TIME SHE INTRODUCE IT, THERE WAS VERY LITTLE CHANCE TO MAKE ANY ANY CHANGES.

SO SO -- I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN HAVING A -- WHAT THEY CALL A GLITCH BILL TO FIX THE GLITCHES IN IT. AND I CERTAINLY -- WE NEED YOUR INPUT IN THAT IN TERMS OF HOW IT AFFECTS FORT PIERCE.

>> I WILL WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND PREPARE A MEMO IF

THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. >>MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONERS? YES, YEAH. WE WOULD LIKE THAT VERY MUCH.

SO, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS? ON THIS TOPIC? ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KEVIN.

EXCELLENT REPORT. >> THANK YOU.

[b. Resolution 23-R44 appointing an at-large member to the Keep Fort Pierce Beautiful Committee.]

>> NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION 23-R 44, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF COMMISSION OF FORT PIERCE CERTIFYING THE APPOINTMENT OF THE KEEP FORT PIERCE BEAUTIFUL ADVISORY BOARD AND PROVIDE FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND I BELIEVE MR. MIMMS ASSISTED ME WITH PASSING ALONG A BALLOT FOR YOU IF YOU COULD COMPLETE IT AND RETURN IT. WE WILL SEE WHO WE HAVE.

>> DO I HAVE THEM ALL? >>MAYOR: YOU SHOULD HAVE ALL OF

THEM. >> DON'T PASS THOSE YET.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER GAINES, WE HAVE SELECTED SARAH OLLIVERAS. COMMISSION PER J. JOHNSON, MICHAEL STICKUS. COMMISSIONER BROAD CA CAST, GUS GUTIERS. COMMISSIONER JOHNSO JOHNSON, GUS G,TIERS. SO WE HAVE A TIE BETWEEN GUS AN SA SA

SARAA. >>MAYOR HUDSON: DID WE HAVE NEW

BALLOTS? >> OF COURSE WE HAVE NEW

BALLOTS. >>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: AM I

THE ADD BALL. >> YES.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: GUS GUTIERAS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: A MOTION AND SECOND.

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CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. WHO HAD THE MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: I HAD THE SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER GAINES: SORRY, ITS THE MOTION.

>>COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON: HE IS JUST RAISING HIS HANDS.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: JUST SAY YES. >>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: VOLUNTEERING FOR SOMETHING ELSE DOWN THERE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

[c. Resolution 23-R45 appointing two members to fill at-large seats on the Infrastructure Surtax Advisory Committee.]

>> THEN REF RESOLUTION 23-445, RESOLUTION CERTIFYING THE APPOINTMENT TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE SURTAX CITIZEN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE AND PROVIDE FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

MR. MIMMS I BELIEVE HAVE DISTRIBUTED BALLOTS.

THIS ONE YOU WILL BE SELECTING TWO MEMBERS.

ONE OF WHOM IS SEEKING REAPPOI

REAPPOINTMENT. >> VOTE EARLY.

VOTE OFTEN. >>MAYOR HUDSON: WHY WE LIKE TO

DO ABSENTEE. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: GOT TO DO THIS RIGHT. PROBABLY IS FIVE DIFFERENT

COMMENDATIONS. >> I AM GOING TO TOTAL THEM UP

FIRST AND THEN READ THEM ALL. >> OKAY.

SO WE HAD COMMISSIONER BRODERICK BRADFORD WHEELER.

COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON ANTHONY WESTBURY AND TIMOTHY GARDEN HIRE. COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON STEVEN HAYNES AND ANTHONY WESTBURY. MAYOR HUDSON FOR ANTHONY WEST BURY AND STEVEN HANKS. AND -- THE TWO APPOINTEES ARE ANTHONY WEST BURY AND STEVEN HAYNES.

>>MAYOR HUDSON: IS THERE A MOTION.

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

[d. Resolution 23-R46 appointing an at-large member to serve on the Fort Pierce Planning Board.]

>> NEXT, RESOLUTION 23-R 46, APPOINTING AN AT-LARGE MEMBER TO SERVE ON THE FORT PIERCE PLANNING BOARD.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: SITSIT

ING ON PINS AND NEEDLES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: NOW YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT THE BALLOTS? YOU LOOKED ALL NIGHT. NOW YOU WANT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES?

>> OKAY. COMMISSIONER BROADRICK VOTED FOR

[03:05:04]

CLEMENS. CURTIS, NICHELL CLEMENS.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, JUSTINE CARTER AND COMMISSIONER

GAINES, NICHELLE CLEMENS. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >>MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL, PLE PLEASE.

>>COMMISSIONER BRODERICK: YES. >>COMMISSIONER GAINES: YES,

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