[a. Email from Jennifer Martin-Sorrentino, Co-Founder of Rescue Rebels by Cash 4 Canines, expressing her gratitude for Summer Rulapaugh, the Animal Shelter Operations Manager, going over and way beyond for Kai, the German Shepherd they rescued.]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THE FOLLOWING LETTERS WILL BE KEPT ON FILE IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM JENNIFER MARTIN-SORRENTINO, COFOUNDER OF CASH 4 CANINES, EXPRESSING HER GRATITUDE . GOING OVER AND

[b. Davida Margolin sent an email that expresses deep gratitude for the operation of Fort Pierce Animal Adoption Center and Summer Rulapaugh, the shelter’s Operations Manager. ]

ABOVE AND BEYOND FOR THE GERMAN SHEPHERD THEY RESCUE. AN EMAIL EXPRESSES DEEP GRATITUDE FOR THE OPERATION OF THE ANIMAL

[c. Pete Sweeney sent an email in appreciation of Kev Freeman’s leadership of the Planning Department as Director, and for the time, help, and guidance provided by the Planning Team members. ]

ADOPTION CENTER AND THE SHELTER OPERATION MANAGER.

[d. Vincent Clow left a voice message complimenting Code Enforcement Officer Larry Stephens for his exceptional customer service in resolving an issue.]

AND VINCENT LEFT A VOICE MESSAGE IMPLEMENTING CODE

[8. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

ENFORCEMENT OFFICER LARRY STEVENS FOR HIS EXCEPTIONAL CUSTOMER SERVICE IN RESOLVING AN ISSUE.

>> NEXT WE HAVE ADDITIONS AND DELETIONS OF THE AGENDA. STAFF IS HAPPENING -- ASKING THAT ITEM 14C BE POOLED AT THIS

TIME. >> ANY CHANGES? IF NOT I WILL

ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MOVE APPROVAL TO SET THE AGENDA WITH THE PULLING OF ITEM 14C

>> THERE IS A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[9. BUDGET HEARING]

>> BUDGET HEARING. AT THIS TIME THE MAYOR WILL ANNOUNCE THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES AND THE ROLLBACK GREAT.

>> THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS PROPOSING IN THE TRAIT OF 6.90.

THE RAID FEES THE ROLLBACK RATES OF 6.2244 BY 10.85%.

NOW, MRS. MORRIS WILL GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET AND EXPLAIN WHY THE REASONS OUR TAX REVENUES ARE

INCREASING. >> THAT EVENING. I WILL BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT OUR PROPOSED 2024 BUDGET. IT IS BALANCED AT $58,807,439, WHICH IS A 6,474,793 INCREASE FROM FISCAL YEAR 2023. IT IS WHERE THE HIGHLIGHTS IS THE NUMBER IS LARGE BECAUSE WE DID HAVE A INCREASE IN OUR PROPERTY TAX EVALUATIONS WHICH TAKE US UP TO ABOUT $3.9 BILLION. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE INCREASE, WE ARE PROPOSING NO CHANGE TO OUR

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MILLAGE RATES. THE REASON WHY WE ARE PROPOSING NO CHANGE TO OUR MILLAGE RATES IS BECAUSE THE INFLATIONARY FACTORS THAT HAVE CAUSED AN INCREASE IN OUR COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR OUR VENDORS, WHICH IN TURN IS AN INCREASE IN THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS FOR US. ALL OF OUR SUPPLIER COSTS HAVE DRAMATICALLY INCREASED FOR THE MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES. OUR CONTRACTUAL COSTS HAVE INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY. OUR PRODUCT QUOTES THAT WE RECEIVED SIX MONTHS AGO, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT WHAT WE WERE GOING TO PAY SIX MONTHS AGO COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY NOW, IT IS SUCH A DRAMATIC INCREASE. ONE OF THE MOST NOTABLE THING THAT IS OUR INSURANCE COST. IT IS INDUSTRYWIDE. IN OUR PROPERTY INSURANCE WE ARE HAVING A 95% INCREASE NOW. OUR PROVIDER HAS JUST DONE AN ACROSS-THE-BOARD ASSET EVALUATION FOR ALL CLIENTS. IT HAS BEEN DONE, HOWEVER, RESULTS WILL NOT BE RELEASED UNTIL AFTER OCTOBER FIRST. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT INCREASE IS GOING TO BE. I HAVE PUT IN A A CONTINGENCY BECAUSE WE ALREADY KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE AN INCREASE. WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PORTED THE 95% INCREASE, AN ADDITIONAL INCREASE WILL COME ON THAT BECAUSE OUR ASSET VALUES ARE GOING TO BE REEVALUATED.

>> ABOVE 95%? >> YES. ALSO, THAT IS JUST ON THE PROPERTY SIDE. WE HAVE SO MANY COVERAGES IN EVERY LINE ITEM AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY COVER THERE IS AN INCREASE. IN OUR AUTOMOBILE POLICY, JUST FOR THE DAMAGE WAIVER THERE IS A 46%. IN CYBER SECURITY WE ARE SEEING 32%. OUR INSURANCE COST IS DRAMATICALLY GOING UP. THAT AND ALL OF THE OTHER FACTORS, YOU KNOW, JUST OUR COST OF DOING BUSINESS IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SAME SERVICE LEVELS THAT WE ARE PROVIDING WE ARE NEEDING THOSE FUNDS.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> IS THAT THE EXTENT OF YOUR

PRESENTATION? >> KNOW.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I KNOW THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST THE ISSUE WITH PROPERTY INSURANCE COVERAGE.

THE QUESTION PERTAINS TO VALUATION. IF THE CITY OR IS THE INSURANCE CARRIER REQUIRING SOME TYPE OF REPLACEMENT COST ANALYSIS TO BE DONE ON CITY-OWNED ASSETS TO MARK THEM THE VALUE? TO ENSURE THEM TO NOT MARKET VALUE BY PLACEMENT

COST VALUATION? >> THAT IS EXACTLY IT.

>> IF THAT PROCESS ANNUALIZE OR ARE THEY THINK ARBITRARILY BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE WILL BE SUCH A SUBSTANTIVE INCREASE IN INSURANCE WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE MARKETS OF VALUE?

>> IT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT PRIOR TO THIS FISCAL YEAR. FMIT IS REQUIRING IT TO BE DONE ANNUALLY. IT WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT IN THE PAST. IN THE PAST IT WAS MOSTLY CLIENT DRIVEN. MOST PEOPLE OR MUNICIPALITIES , ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWN TIMES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LAST FOR A REEVALUATION OF ASSETS BECAUSE MOST LIKELY IT WILL BE AN INCREASE. NOW STARTING 2024 IT IS A REQUIREMENT.

>> OF ANNUALLY WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO VALUE CITY-OWNED ASSETS AT 100% OF REPLACEMENT COST AND NOT MARKET VALUE, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.

>> THERE IS. >> SO WE WILL BE REQUIRED ANNUALLY, DO WE ALSO HAVE TO BUILD IN AT THE COST OF ALL OF THOSE INSURANCE REPLACEMENT COST APPRAISALS?

>> I HAVEN'T SEEN WHAT ALL THE REQUIREMENTS ARE GOING TO BE.

AS OF MORE THAN LIKELY, YES. >> IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT ALL BUILT INTO THE INSURANCE LINE ITEM, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL BE MARKED INTO THE PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT PREMIUM DRIVEN. THAT COST IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOUR OFFICE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER .

WE MAY HAVE TO PUT A SEPARATE LINE ITEM IN THE BUDGET TO COVER THAT SPECIFIC COST. I DON'T KNOW OFFHAND HOW MANY ASSETS THE CITY OWNS, BUT ONLY THE ONES THAT THEY DO, IT'S

GOING TO BE A COSTLY PROCESS. >> RIGHTS. IT WILL. FMIT HAS

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BEEN PRETTY GREAT IN THE PAST . THEY ALMOST BUILD IN A CUSHION WITHIN THE QUOTES THAT THEY GIVE US. AT THE END OF THE YEAR THEY GO BACK AND DO A ROLLBACK AND GIVE US CREDIT BASED ON THE INCREASE THAT THEY HAVE BUILT IN FOR SOME OF THAT. I THINK ONCE WE GET THE NUMBER, LOOKING AT IT AND LOOKING AT HISTORY, HOW THE ANNUAL EVALUATION IS GOING TO GO, WE CAN PREPARE FOR

THAT AS WE SEE IT. >> VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHEN YOU SEE ALL THAT DATA TO HAVE A REPORT ON THAT. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BECOME NO LONGER A DISCUSSION POINT BUT NOW WE NEED TO MANAGE THIS PROBLEM. IN OUR COMPANY WE ARE SEEING 200%-300% INCREASES, IF WE CAN GET IT. I THINK WE NEED TO BE

PREPARED. >> THAT IS THE THING, IF WE CAN GET IT. I KNOW WE JUST HAD THE ISSUE WITH THE MARINA. WE SAW A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE AND DEAN, HIS VERY NUMBERS CONSCIENTIOUS. IF THE BUDGET IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED IN A LITTLE BIT LESS TAKE IT OUT FOR BID. JUST TRYING TO GET THE ONE TO ENSURE WITH AN ISSUE ALONE. WE ARE RIGHT ON THE COAST. NOT MANY INSURERS WANT TO TOUCH US.

>> JUST FOR MY OWN EDUCATION, ON CITY-OWNED ASSETS SUCH AS THE MARINA AND CITY HALL, ETC., WITH FMIT BEING THE INSURANCE AGENCY , BECAUSE I'M SURE IF GOING OUT TO LLOYD'S OF LONDON AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE AT THE UNDERWRITERS, ARE WE CARRYING MASSIVE DEDUCTIBLES ON THESE ASSETS?

>> NO, WE DO THE 5%. >> AS OF NOW . THAT'S GOING TO

CHANGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ORIGINALLY WERE 3%, NOW

THEY'VE MADE THE BASE FIVE. >> I WILL BE INTERESTED TO SEE THE REPORT, WHAT THE SHOCK FACTOR THAT WILL BE. EVERYBODY

HAVE SEEN IT ON THE NEWS. >> I SIT ON THE FMIT BOARD.

THEY ENSURE OVER 60% OF THE CITIES IN FLORIDA. EVERY MEETING WE HEAR ABOUT THE REINSURERS AND HOW HARD THEY WORK WITH THE REINSURERS TO KEEP THE REINSURERS BECAUSE THE MARKET IT ISN'T JUST AFFECTED BY HURRICANES IN FLORIDA. IT IS AFFECTED BY THINGS THAT HAPPEN ALL OVER THE WORLD.

>> DOES FMIT KEEP ALL OF OR PART OF THE RISK OF THE END SEND IT ALL OUT TO LLOYD'S OF LONDON?

>> YES, EXACTLY. >> REALLY QUICKLY, MRS. MORRIS, THANK YOU FOR THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE MILLAGE RATES. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE AUDIENCE AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING HOW DOES THAT RELATE TO PROPERTY TAXES? OUR PROPERTY TAXES FOR RESIDENTS GOING TO GO UP? CAN YOU RELATE THAT TO ME?

>> WILL MOVE ON. LET'S GO HERE. WHEN OUR CITIZENS GET TRIM NOTICES, WHICH IS A SUMMATION OF THEIR PROPERTY TAX, THE VALUE AND ALL, IT HAS ALL THE AGENCIES THAT HAVE A MILLAGE RIGHT ON IT. HERE, I PROVIDED WET ST. LUCIE COUNTY MILLAGE RATES IS, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE SCHOOL BOARD, THE FIRE DISTRICT, AND THEN ALL OF THE OTHER SMALL DISTRICTS THAT ARE WITHIN THOSE AGENCIES OR ON THE BILL. YOU WILL SEE WHERE THE COUNTY IS A 7.4986, THE CITY IS THE 6.9, THE SCHOOL BOARD IS 644080, THE FIRE DISTRICT IS THREE AND ALL THE OTHER REMAINING ONES COMBINED. IT IS MAKING UP THE TOTAL MILLAGE RIGHT OF 24.445, THAT IS THE PROPOSED RIGHT. OF THAT WE GET THE 6.9%. WE ARE NOT CHANGING OUR MILLAGE . HOWEVER, IF THE CITIZEN RECEIVED AN INCREASE IN THEIR TAXABLE VALUE, WHICH MEANS THAT THEIR VALUE WENT UP THEY WILL SEE AN INCREASE. WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE MILLAGE RATES, THE PROPERTY VALUE INCREASED. AND WITH THESE RATES THE CITY'S PORTION IS 25%

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OF THE TAX BILL. >> MADAM MAYOR, ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING THAT IS THE RAID ITSELF STAY THE SAME, BUT PEOPLES VALUE OF THE PROPERTY ONE UP, SO YOU MAY SEE AN INCREASE IN THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BECAUSE THE SS PROPERTY THAT PEOPLE OWN IS VALUED HIGHER NOW AS A RESULT OF THAT.

TECHNICALLY THAT WILL PRODUCE MORE MONEY AS A RESULT.

>> AND THEN WE ARE INCLUDING HOW THAT TAX BILL IS DIVIDED. I DID JUST A BRIEF DISPLAY TO SEE THAT BASED ON A $100,000 PROPERTY AT THIS MILLAGE RIGHT THE TAXES WOULD BE $2444 AND $.45. OF THATAMOUNT $749.86 WILL GO TO THE COUNTY, $690 WILL GO TO THE CITY, $640 GOES TO THE SCHOOL BOARD, $300 TO THE FIRE DISTRICT, THE REMAINING $63 IS DISTRIBUTED TO THE REMAINING FOUR SPECIAL DISTRICTS. IF YOUR PROPERTY VALUE IS VALUE AT THAT $100,000 YOU PAY $690 FOR YOUR POLICE, YOUR GARBAGE, ALL THE PUBLIC WORKS FACILITIES, ANYTHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING $690.

>> AND YOU ARE NOT TAKING ANY EXEMPTIONS ON THAT? MOST PEOPLE

HAVE EXEMPTIONS. >> YES.

>> OKAY. WE'LL LOOK AT SOME OTHER HIGHLIGHT, OUR AD VALOREM, WE DID HAVE AN INCREASE AT ABOUT $3.7 MILLION.

WE INCREASED THE STATE AND TAX DISTRIBUTED REVENUE BASED ON ACTUAL ENTRANCE. WE INCREASE REVENUE FOR SOME OF OUR CHARGES AND SERVICES BASED ON ACTUAL ENTRANCE. JUST A REVENUE BASE, NOT THE CHARGE SO TO SPEAK. BECAUSE WE ARE SEEING AN INCREASE IN USAGE WE BUILT OUR BUDGET REVENUE A LITTLE HIGHER.

THERE IS ALSO BUILT INTO THIS BUDGET A ONE-TIME REVENUE SOURCE FOR OUR AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FUNDS OF $1 MILLION. THIS MONEY HAS TO BE USED BY NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WE HAD A BUDGET PRIOR FISCAL YEAR AND DID NOT USE IT. IT IS SEGREGATED AND CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THE PORTION THAT IS PAYROLL RELATED. LAST YEAR AND THE YEAR PRIOR WE INCREASED SPECIFICALLY IN OUR POLICE. AND NOW THAT WE ARE AT THIS POINT WE HAVE TO USE THIS ONE-TIME REVENUE SOURCE TO HELP PAY FOR WHERE WE HAVE ESCALATED THOSE PAYROLL RANGES TO BE. WE ARE STILL RESTRICTING THE $600,000 FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR IN CAPITAL.

400 IS GOING TO BE FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. AND THIS IS THE FINAL FISCAL YEAR THAT WOULD BE THERE. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE USING ANNUALLY $400,000, THIS FISCAL YEAR IT WILL BE $600,000 THAT WILL GO. AS IT RELATES TO OUR EXPENDITURES HAVE NINE NEW POSITIONS THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE GENERAL FUND PERSONNEL COUNT. ONE IN IT, WE ARE ELIMINATING ONE IN CODE ENFORCEMENT. WE ESTABLISHED THE ENTERPRISE FUND FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER. THAT ONE POSITION THAT WAS THERE HAS BEEN REMOVED AND IS OVER IN THE ENTERPRISE SECTION. EIGHT FOR POLICE. FIVE OF THOSE POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE IN THE GRANT FUNDED. THE GRANT HAS ENDED AND AS A REQUIREMENT WE HAVE TO PUT THEM ON OUR GENERAL FUND ROSTER. AND THEN ONE IN ENGINEERING. THOSE OTHER PERSONNEL COUNTS FOR THOSE NINE POSITIONS. THERE IS A COST-OF-LIVING INCREASE FOR ALL BARGAINING AND NONBARGAINING EMPLOYEES. THIS IS A BENEFIT COST AS WELL. AND THEN THERE IS A COST-OFLIVING FOR OUR CURRENT SWORN OFFICERS AT THE CURRENT STEP PLAN THAT THEY IMPLEMENTED. AND THEN AS WE ALWAYS STATE, THE PERCENTAGE OF WHAT OUR POLICE BUDGET IS, 33% OF OUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. THE RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTION INCREASED BY .43% FOR GENERAL AND 2.31% FOR OUR POLICE. WE HAVE HAD NO CHANGE IN HEALTH

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AND DENTAL INSURANCE PREMIUMS, WHICH HAS BEEN EXCELLENT. EVEN THOUGH INDUSTRY WHY THEY ARE SEEING CHANGES, OUR PROVIDER HAS BEEN WONDERFUL FOR US. THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE IN PREMIUM COSTS. WE HAVE IN OUR OPERATING BUDGETS, AND AGAIN THIS $2.3 MILLION INCREASE IS A RESULT OF CONTRACTUAL COST, MATERIAL COST, AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE AS WE HAVE. THERE IS AN $800,000 INCREASE IN OUR CAPITAL COSTS. WE HAVE SOME BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE AND REPLACEMENT COSTS OF EQUIPMENT. OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS A GREAT NEED WHERE WE HAVE NOT PURCHASED EQUIPMENT IN YEARS. IF YOU WERE TO SEE OUR FIXED ASSET VALUATION AND SEE THE TIMING AS TO WIN, IT IS BECOMING AN ISSUE AND SOMETHING THAT WE MUST ADDRESS. WE ARE PUTTING $800,000 THERE FOR THE CAPITAL COSTS. IN OUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT WE ARE SEEING A DECREASE OF $219,941. THIS JUST SHOWS WHERE WE ARE ON OUR DEBT. IN 2023 WERE AT $40.9 MILLION.

IN 2024 ONCE WE DO OUR 4.5% -- $4.5 MILLION PAYMENT WILL BE AT 36 MILLION. OUR DEBT CONTINUES TO DECREASE. LATELY WE HAVE HAD -- NOT HAVE TO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL DEBT. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE CAPACITY. IF THE NEED ARISES WE DO HAVE THE CAPACITY

TO INCREASE THAT. >> NO WE DON'T.

>> WELL YOU KNOW I'M WITH YOU. >> YOU WHEN I, RIGHT.

>> BEFORE WE GO INTO ENTERPRISE ANY QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES THE

GENERAL FUND? >> JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE DEBT SCREEN. A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WE RESTRUCTURED AND WE DID SOME OF OUR LOANS AND DIFFERENT INTEREST RATES. DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY LOANS OVER THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS WE HAVE RESTRUCTURED AND REFINANCED? I FEEL LIKE WE ARE IN A VERY GOOD POSITION TODAY BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST RATES THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES. DO YOU RECALL?

>> I CAN'T SAY AND BE ACCURATE, BUT ALMOST EVERY LOAN THAT WE HAD HAS BEEN RESTRUCTURED. DURING THE TIME WHEN THE INTEREST RATES WERE VERY LOW AND WE HAD OPPORTUNITY, WE RESTRUCTURED ALL THAT, WHICH IS WHY IT IS DECREASING SO RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING SO MUCH OF THE PRINCIPAL AS OPPOSED TO INTEREST. SOME OF OUR INTEREST RATES ARE DOWN TO 1.2%. IT WILL BE SAFE TO SAY EVERY DEBT INSTRUMENT THAT WE HAD WE RESTRUCTURE. WE HAVE ONE REMAINING THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, HOWEVER, I DO FEEL THE NUMBERS WERE GOOD ENOUGH TO RESTRUCTURE RIGHT NOW. THE SAVINGS WILL BE SMALL BUT THE INTEREST RATES AND HOW THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, WE CAN

WAIT. >> AND THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS THE F PRA IS A LARGE IS ON THE SCREEN. THAT IS GOIN TO MATURE AND THE AND PRA IS GOING TO BASICALLY EXPIRE IN 2022 -- 2042, IF THAT'S TRUE OF THE LOANS?

>> THE LOANS WILL EXPIRE 2030, 120 30 HITS WILL HAVE NO MORE

DEBT. >> SO WE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF YEARS AWAY FROM THAT WITH BASICALLY 19 YEARS LEFT. OKAY,

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JONATHAN'S QUESTION WAS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS, THE DEBT SERVICE SAVINGS WAS DUE TO RESTRUCTURING, THOUGH THE RAW FIXED LOANS NOW I AM ASSUMING?

>> YES. >> THEY ARE ALL TERM NOTES?

>> CORRECT. >> IT WILL BE VERY HANDY, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE TO HAVE THIS REPORT ON THE 2024 DEBT STRUCTURE WITH WHAT THE TERMS ARE. I THINK IT IS A VERY HANDY DOCUMENT TO HAVE. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT WILL BE VERY

HELPFUL. >> I THINK IN OUR BUDGET HEARING I MIGHT HAVE PROVIDED A TABLE THAT SHOWED THE DEBT AND THE YEAR THAT IT EXPIRES. I'LL JUST THE TERM WITH THE RADIUS

AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

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>> WHEN I WAS FIRST MAYOR IT WAS $97 MILLION. GOOD JOB.

PROCEED. >> OKAY, MOVING ON TO OUR ENTERPRISE FUNDS, WHICH ARE SPENDING PLANS. I HAVE OUTLINED WHAT THE SCHOOL YEAR BUDGET AMOUNTS WERE, EACH ENTITY AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS. WE SEE THE INCREASE IN MARINA AND SOLID WASTE, OUR GOLF COURSE, O SUNRISE AND THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

THERE IS A DECREASE IN STORM WATER AND THE BUILDING

DIVISION. ANY QUESTIONS? >> OUR SPECIAL REVENUE FUNDS, WHICH ARE ALL OF OUR GRANT FUNDS, YOU SEE IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE A DRAMATIC DECREASE, I'M GOING TO SAY IT IS BECAUSE OF CHANGING THE STAFF AT THE TIME. THEY GOT A GRANT PERSON ON AND THEY HAD NOT GONE OUT OR PUT IN FOR THAT MANY GRANTS AND THE INITIAL BUDGET TIME. THAT COULD INCREASE AS THE YEAR PROGRESSES. THEY MAY DO APPLICATIONS, HOWEVER, WHERE BUILDING THE BUDGET ON WHAT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY DONE A REQUEST FOR AN THINK THEY ARE GOING TO GET. EVEN THOUGH WHAT IS A $2.4 MILLION DECREASED, IT COULD VERY WELL CHANGE.

>> IF I CAN STOP YOU REALLY QUICKLY. EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EMPLOYMENT OR THE EMPLOYEES FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIVE OF THOSE WERE COMING BACK TO THE CITY THE LIABILITY BECAUSE OF A GRANT THAT HAS EXPIRED. NOW, HOW MANY YEARS WE FIND THOSE FIVE OFFICERS?

>> IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST THREE. FOR EVERY YEAR THAT WE HAVE A GRANT WE CARRY THEM FOR A YEAR.

>> AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO CARRY A MINIMUM OF THREE IF NOT

FURTHER? >> RIGHT.

>> SOME OF THESE HAVE THESE STIPULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT SAYS DO WE WANT TO TAKE THIS OR NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PROJECT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE WITH OUR REVENUE

SOMETIMES 5-6-7 YEARS? >> RIGHT. IF YOU REMEMBER, THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN REGARDING IT. IT WASN'T THAT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY, I JUST HAVE CULTURE SHOCK FROM 2008-2009 WHEN WE DID IT AND CANNOT DECREASE THE COMPLIMENT BUT HAD TO CUT STAFF.

>> I REMEMBER THAT. >> AGAIN, THOSE OTHER FIVE OFFICERS THAT WERE A PART OF THE GRANT WILL REMAIN IN THE DISTRICT AND FUNDED BY FPRA. THE TOTAL COST IS THERE WHETHER THEY ARE SEPARATED IN THEIR OWN BOND. WE HAD A TOTAL OF 10.

FIBER IN THE SPECIAL DIVISION, FIVE WENT TO FPRA. THEY WILL REMAIN THERE. FPRA WILL FUND IT. OUR CDBG PROJECT ALLOCATION HAS DECREASED ONLY BECAUSE OF OUR ANNUAL DISTRIBUTION. OUR SHIP DISTRIBUTION INCREASE. WE ARE SEEING $89,000 THEY ARE IN THE GRANT ADMINISTRATION AT ABOUT $100,000, BASED ON THE INCREASE. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. I WILL ENTERTAIN

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MADAME CLAIRE, ARE YOU READING THE NEXT ITEM?

>> NEXT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE TENTATIVE MILLAGE RATES AND PROPOSE 2023-24 GENERAL FUND BUDGET IN

THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. >> ANYONE WHO WANTS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE, COME FOR. MRS. COX, ARE YOU TIMING?

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. OKAY.

CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE ON. SEEING NO ONE I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ARE THERE ANY AMENDMENTS FROM ANY COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS BUDGET? SEEING NO AMENDMENTS TO THE BUDGET AND THERE IS NO NEED TO RECOMPUTE THE PROPOSED MILLAGE RATES IF THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MILLAGE RATES OF

6.90? >> MAYOR, I MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> THE TENTATIVE 2023-2024 GENERAL FUND BUDGET?

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>> SO MOVED. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL

THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>

WILL PROCEED. >> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM

[a. City of Fort Pierce Youth Award Recognition Program Presentation]

THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYONE SIGN UP FOR THESE ITEMS. WE WILL PROCEED WITH MISCELLANEOUS REPORTS. AND THE CITY OF FORCE -- FORT PIERCE YOUTH AWARD RECOGNITION PROGRAM.

>> YES, A COUPLE OF MONTHS BACK WE HAVE ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ASKED FOR A YOUTH RECOGNITION PROGRAM. HOW DO WE RECOGNIZE OUR TALENTED YOUTH THAT ARE DOING GREAT THINGS? WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY THIS SUMMER OF HAVING A SUMMER INTERN PROGRAM. ONE OF OUR INTERNS, JAELA DAVIS, IS HERE WITH US RIGHT NOW. TODAY IS HER LAST DAY WITH US. BEING THAT THIS IS HER LAST DAY SHE IS GOING TO PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ON THE YOUTH AWARD RECOGNITION PROGRAM. THIS IS BROUGHT TO YOU IN ASSOCIATION WITH OUR YOUTH COUNCIL. AGAIN, JAELA DAVIS IS THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON. THIS IS HER BRAINCHILD AND I BELIEVE THIS WILL BE AN SUCCESSFUL VENTURE.

>> MRS. DAVIS, WELCOME. >> THANK YOU.

AM JAELA DAVIS AND HAVE A PLEASURE OF INTERNING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THIS SUMMER. I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A LITTLE WHILE. I AM EXCITED TO SEE IT COMING TO FRUITION. WITHOUT FURTHER ADO I WILL BEGIN. THE OVERVIEW OF THIS AWARD PRESENTATION CEREMONY IS TO RECOGNIZE ACHIEVEMENT IN POSITIVITY AND DIFFERENT CATEGORY SPECIFIC TO

INDIVIDUALITY. >> SUCH A MOVE THE MICROPHONE A

LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU, PLEASE. >> THIS AWARD PRESENTATION WILL BE SPECIFIC TO GRADES SIX THROUGH 12. THE TARGET AUDIENCE WILL BE LOCAL YOUTH GROUPS AND DIFFERENT YOUTH RECOGNIZING ASSOCIATIONS, AGENCIES AND CHURCHES AS WELL. THE EXECUTION STRATEGY IF THE SIMPLER PROVIDE AN AWARD CEREMONY THAT ANYONE CAN ATTEND. IT WILL BE HELD AT A CITY COMMISSION MEETING HERE WITHIN THE CHAMBERS. I'M SO SORRY. ANYONE IS WELCOME TO ATTEND THE MEETING.

THE AWARD CATEGORIES, THERE ARE SIX DIFFERENT AWARD CATEGORIES.

I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY GO OVER EACH OF THEM. THE FIRST IS THE INNOVATOR AWARD. IT IS FOR STUDENTS WHO HAVE SHOWN EXCELLENCE IN THE FIELDS OF MATH AND SCIENCE. NEXT IS BEYOND THE VIEW. IT RECOGNIZES YOUTH WHO HAVE DIFFERENT ACCOMMODATIONS AND NEEDS THAT SHOULD BE VIEWED AS NORMALLY AS ANYONE ELSE. THE HUMANITARIAN AWARD RECOGNIZES YOUTH WHO HAVE PUT FORTH EFFORT TO MAKE THEIR COMMUNITY A BETTER PLACE. THE VISIONARY AWARD IS FOR YOU LEFT TURN CREATIVITY AND KNOWLEDGE INTO A ENTREPRENEURIAL OR ECONOMIC VENTURE. A ROLE MODEL AWARD FOR YOUTH WHO LEND A HELPING HAND TO YOUNGER PEERS IN THEIR COMMUNITY. AND THEN THERE IS A STUDENT ATHLETE AWARD. THE RULES ARE THAT THE STUDENTS MUST RESIDE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THE STUDENTS MUST HAVE A CUMULATIVE GPA OF 2.8 OR HIGHER. PARENTS MUST PROVIDE PROOF OF ADDRESS. FOR THE AWARDS SUBMISSIONS, STUDENTS ARE ABLE TO SUBMIT PHOTOS AND VIDEOS, ARTICLES OR WRITEUPS

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AND A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION IS REQUIRED AS A LEADER WITHIN THE AGENCY OR GROUP WILL BE NOMINATING THE STUDENTS . THEY WILL HAVE TO WRITE A LETTER OF RECOMMENDATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE APPLICATION THAT WILL BE SUBMITTED. THE ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE APPLICATIONS WILL BE OPEN FOR 2 MONTHS. THE EVALUATION AND SELECTION PERIOD WILL BE OPEN FOR ONE MONTH. THE ACTUAL PRESENTATION WILL BE HELD IN JUNE AND DECEMBER. THE YOUTH COUNCIL WILL REVIEW APPLICANTS DURING THEIR MONTHLY MEETING AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS DURING THAT

TIME. >> THE REWARDS THAT WILL BE PRESENTED WERE SUGGESTED FROM THE YOUTH COUNCIL. THEY SUGGESTED SCHOLARSHIP MONIES AND MORE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STUDENT ATHLETE PRESENTATION OR AWARD, THE STUDENTS SUGGESTED THEY BE ABLE TO VISIT A UNIVERSITY WITHIN FLORIDA OF THEIR CHOICE. THAT IS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> GREAT JOB.

PERSON TO DO THE PRESENTATION. IT'S HARD SITTING UP HERE TALKING IN FRONT OF EVERYONE, EVEN THOUGH YOUR THOUGHTS ALL SUMMER, IT'S HARD. GREAT JOB. LOVE THE PRESENTATION, LOVED THE IDEA. ONE SUGGESTION, THERE ARE A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE NOT A PART OF ORGANIZATIONS, NOT A PART OF BUT THEY KNOW YOUTH THAT ARE DOING SOMETHING. I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT YOU ALLOW NOMINATIONS TO NOT JUST COME FROM ORGANIZATIONS, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMEONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHO SEES A YOUNG MAN OR YOUNG LADY DOING SOMETHING GOOD ALL THE TIME. AND WE ALLOW THAT PERSON TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO GET THAT RECOMMENDATION. THERE ARE A LOT OF KIDS OUT HERE WHO ARE VERY SHY, DON'T WANT THE RECOGNITION. I HOPE THAT THIS PROGRAM, AND ONCE WE GET THE WORD OUT LET THE KIDS KNOW IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HEY, WE SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. WE WANT TO RECOGNIZE WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I AM GLAD THAT THE CATEGORIES THAT YOU CAME UP WITH, BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME, I AM AN OLD COACH. I'M GOING TO SAY MOST OF THE TIME WE CURE TO GREAT ATHLETES OR THE SUPERSMART KIDS OR SOMEBODY THAT CAN SING, DANCE OR WHATEVER. IN THE MIDDLE THERE ARE SOME KIDS THAT MIGHT MAKE THE BEST LEMONADE IN THE WORLD. I'M GOING TO USE THAT. THE BEST COOKIE IN THE WORLD, BUT THEY NEVER GET THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THEY SAY I'M NOT AN ATHLETE. I CANNOT SAYING, BUT I CAN MAKE A GREAT CHOCOLATE CHIP COOKIE. JUST GETTING THAT OPPORTUNITY. I WOULD LOVE TO WORK TO GET THIS OUT. I DO NOT WANT THIS PROJECT TO GO TO CERTAIN PEOPLE. I WANTED TO GO TO EVERY KID IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THAT IS THE GOAL. I KNOW THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SAY IT. YOU'VE DONE YOUR SPEECH AND YOUR QUIET. I WILL SPEAK FOR YOU. I WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR THIS. THIS IS NOT AN OPPORTUNITY JUST FOR THE ONES WHO HAVE IT. THE ONES WHO HAVE OUR SUPPORT. WE WANT EVERY KID TO HAVE A CHANCE. THOSE ARE THE KIDS THAT WE ARE GOING TO FIND OUT ARE THE LEADERS OF THE FUTURE. I LOVE THIS IDEA.

AGAIN, GREAT JOB. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WALKED IN NERVOUS. I LOOK FORWARD, YOU WILL BE BACK WE DO THIS. WE WILL COME FOR THE CEREMONY SO THAT YOU CAN SIT HERE. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOUR IDEA AND YOUR GOALS GO THROUGHOUT. THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG-LASTING PROJECT. SO WHEN YOU DECIDE

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THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SIT HERE OR WHERE THE MARRIOTT CITY YOU CAN SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, BACK IN 2023 THAT WITH AN IDEA THAT I HAD AND SOME PEOPLE LISTENED. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR STORY TO SOMEONE TO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT IS YOUR IDEA? LET ME LISTEN. AGAIN, I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD IT ALL SUMMER, GREAT JOB.

>> VERY PROUD OF YOU. ONE OF MY GRADUATES. GOOD JOB. A QUICK QUESTION. IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE SUMMATION, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR.

>> RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE YOUTH COUNCIL OR THE CURRENT YOUTH COUNCIL WILL ACTUALLY EVALUATE ALL OF THE APPLICANTS, CORRECT?

>> YES. >> THEY WILL SELECT THEY FOUND

THE CATEGORY THEY WILL AWARD? >> YES.

>> YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT PRIZES OR RECOGNITION, IS THERE A BUDGET BUILT INTO THIS SO THAT WE CAN SUPPORT THAT? I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU MENTION ONE OF THE PRIZES OR AWARDS MAY BE A TRIP TO A COLLEGE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. IF THERE A BUDGET TO THIS AWARDS CEREMONY OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE?

THERE HAS TO BE SOME MONEY. >> THE ANSWER IS CURRENTLY

THERE IS NOT. >> WHAT I WAS SUGGEST, AND I KNOW THIS IS YOUR LAST DAY, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. I THINK OF THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE HAS TO BE MONEY ALLOCATED. EVEN THE PLAQUES AND TROPHIES, THERE HAS TO BE A BUDGET. I WAS KIND OF LOOKING FOR THAT A LITTLE BIT. I LOVE THE PROGRAM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE SUPPORT IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL TAKE PLACE HERE IN THE CHAMBER, RIGHT?

>> YES. >> SO THAT MEANS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME. AT THE MINIMUM WE NEED TO HAVE SOME COOKIES AND PUNCH. THAT STUFF COSTS A LITTLE BIT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM ON RECORD TO SUPPORT THAT. WE WANT OUR COMMUNITIES TO COME AND FEEL WELCOME. THIS IS THEIR CITY HALL AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THAT WE PUT THOSE RESOURCES BEHIND THESE YOUNG PEOPLE AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO REMEMBER THIS SPECIAL RECOGNITION. IT IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE COMPETITIVE. ALL OF THESE GREAT STUDENTS ARE GOING TO APPLY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS ONLY ONE WINNER PER CATEGORY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO SUPPORT THAT AND TO SUPPORT ALL OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT I KNOW WILL COMPORT WITH THIS. THERE HAS TO BE A BUDGET. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT IN THE FOREFRONT AND WE HAVE SOMETHING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. GOOD JOB, VERY

PROUD OF YOU. >> GOOD JOB. I APPRECIATE YOUR FORETHOUGHT AND THINKING ON HOW TO ENGAGE OUR COMMUNITY AND ESPECIALLY OUR YOUTH. COMMISSIONER, I HAVE QUESTIONS ALONG THE SAME LINES ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THE FINANCIAL ASPECT. MAYBE WE CAN CREATE A PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY FOR BUSINESS OWNERS WITHIN THE CITY THAT ARE GOING TO HELP SUPPORT OUR YOUTH. AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK. >> OF COURSE, THANK YOU.

>> YOU MIGHT ADD FOR THE FUTURE, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS YOUR LAST DAY WE WILL SEE YOU AGAIN, BECAUSE COMMISSIONER GAINES HAS SAID WE ARE GOING TO SEE YOU AGAIN. THAT THEY MIGHT COME, THE WINNERS MIGHT COME TO COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR TO HAVE MORE EXPOSURE AND PEOPLE CAN GET TO SEE THOSE WINNERS. YOU ARE HAVING TWO CEREMONIES PER YEAR. THERE ARE SIX CATEGORIES.

>> SO THAT WOULD BE 12 TOTAL FOR THE YEAR.

>> I AM WITH COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU TALKED ABOUT ORGANIZATIONS, ARE WE THINKING THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT SERVE YOUTH?

>> YES. BASICALLY I DIDN'T WANT TO EXCLUDE ANYONE, BUT TO MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC TO GET EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THE IDEA OF WHO THE TARGET AUDIENCES WOULD BE. IT WILL BE YOUTH SERVING ORGANIZATIONS AND AGENCIES WHO PROVIDE ANY TYPE

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OF SOCIAL INTERACTION FOR CHILDREN RATHER IT BE AFTERCARE, A SPORT OR THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> OKAY. THIS REMINDS ME A LITTLE BIT OF THE YOUNG FLORIDIAN AWARD SPONSORED BY THE CHAMBER. WHAT THEY DO IF THEY WORK THAT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT HIGH SCHOOLS. IT IS QUITE AN EXTENSIVE APPLICATION PROCESS. THEY HAVE LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THEY FILL OUT FORMS AND ANSWER QUESTIONNAIRES. YOU ARE BASICALLY REQUIRING A LETTER OF REP IS -- RECOMMENDATION. THE YOUTH COUNCIL WILL DETERMINE IF

IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OR NOT? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> GOOD JOB. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS MUCH THOUGHT IN

IT. YOU THACKRAY 6-12? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> EVEN THOUGH THE YOUTH COUNCIL WE ALLOW THEM TO RESIDE EITHER GO TO SCHOOL IN FORT PIERCE, RIGHT?

>> YES. >> THIS IS THE JURISDICTION OF

FORT PIERCE? >> YES.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON YOUR REPORT, VERY THOROUGH. I HAVE SERVED ON BOARDS AND COMMITTEES PRIOR TO SITTING UP HERE. I KNOW THAT IT CAN BE A LITTLE NERVE-RACKING TO GIVE THOSE REPORTS. I THINK THAT YOU HAVE A VERY BRIGHT FUTURE IN PUBLIC SPEAKING. YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB. THANK

YOU FOR THE REPORT. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> IF THIS PROPOSED PROGRAM IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU THEN WE SHALL PROCEED. WE WILL DEVELOP A BUDGET AND A SCHEDULE THAT IS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. YOU WILL BE ALERTED AS TO THE PROGRESS AS IT BECOMES

AVAILABLE. >> I THINK WE ARE ALL IN FAVOR.

LET'S TAKE IT TO THE NEXT STEP. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE HAD YOUR FIRST SUCCESS HERE.

[12. CONSENT AGENDA]

IF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> ANY ITEMS THAT ANY COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO POOL?

>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ADAM 12D.

>> IS THERE A MOTION? >> IF -- WITH THAT I MOVE FOR THE MOVING OF THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR ITEM 12D.

[d. Approval to award Bid 2023-044 Annual Street Resurfacing Contract to the lowest responsible bidder, The Paving Lady, in an amount not to exceed $4,179,259.69 over a three (3) year period.]

>> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>

>> PAVING LADY IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $4,179,259.69

OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD. >> THANK YOU. MR. ANDREWS, AS YOU MAKE YOUR WAY I HAVE SOME GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.

FIRST OF ALL, I AM EAGER TO SEE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO ADDRESS ROAD CONDITIONS IN FORT PIERCE AND RESURFACING. THAT WAS AN INITIAL MISSION THAT I CONTINUE TO BRING TO THE FOREFRONT. WE ARE USING SOME TAX DOLLARS TO ADDRESS THIS. WE DO HAVE SOME ROADWAYS THAT ARE BEYOND REPAVING AND ARE IN COMPLETE DISREPAIR AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT. AS I READ THROUGH AND UNDERSTOOD THIS AND LOOK THROUGH THE BIDDING PROCESS OF THESE APPLICANTS THAT PUT IN FOR THIS, HELP ME UNDERSTAND, THIS IS A THREE-YEAR PROJECT AND NOT JUST ALL OF A SUDDEN WE ARE GOING TO PAY $4 MILLION. HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY

WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. >> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. THIS IS A UNIT PRICE CONTRACT. WE ESTIMATE THE AMOUNT THAT WE WILL BE USING SO THEY CAN BE AT EQUITABLY. THIS IS OVER A

THREE-YEAR PERIOD. >> WHAT I ALSO UNDERSTOOD IF IF THERE WAS A CERTAIN SECTION IDENTIFIED FOR REPAVING THEY WOULD SUBMIT THAT ACTUAL TOTAL COST OF THAT PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY PROCESSED AGAINST THIS $4.1 MILLION ALLOCATION. IF THEY CAME IN AT $1 MILLION FOR REPAVING A CERTAIN SECTION THAT MONEY WILL BE DEDUCTED FROM THE ACTUAL AMOUNT WE APPROVE HERE TONIGHT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO WHAT IS A CASE-BY-CASE

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SECTION? >> CORRECT. AFTER THIS APPROVAL PROBABLY THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING WE WILL BRING BACK A LIST OF STREETS. THAT WILL BE OUR FISCAL YEAR 23. WE WANTED TO GET THAT RESURFACING AND THEN WE WILL MOVE INTO THE NEXT

YEAR. >> THE WE WILL HAVE A LIST.

OBVIOUSLY THE LIST WILL BE FOR THE STREETS THE CAN BE REPAVED.

IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND. I HEAR THE CONCERNS ABOUT CERTAIN STREETS. WE HAVE EVALUATED THAT AS TO WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE DONE, A COMPLETE REHAUL. AND THAT IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS. THAT IS WHY A POOL OF THIS. I WANTED THE AUDIENCE TO UNDERSTAND WE HEARD THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT CERTAIN STREETS. THAT IS A DIFFERENT CATEGORY THAN WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO. WE ARE NOT GOING TO PUT A BAND-AID ON A SUTURE WOUND. AS THIS LIST COMES FORWARD WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THE STREETS THE CAN BE REPAVED. HOW DO WE BEGIN TO PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC WHAT IS ON THE PROJECT LIST FOR COMPLETE OVERHAUL AND WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT?

>> WE HAVE TO LIST THAT WE PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION

THIS TIME. >> AND THAT'S BEEN UPDATED. I KNOW AVENUE B IS ONE OF THOSE STREETS.

>> RIGHT. THE PROCESS IS WE DEVELOP A LIST IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THE NEXT STEP IS WE GO TO THE UTILITY AUTHORITY TO GUARANTEE UTILITIES ARE SUFFICIENT. AND THEN WE BRING IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE LIST TO IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC ROLES WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH FOR THAT

FISCAL YEAR. >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. WE DO THOSE TREES IS NOT JUST THE STREETS. IT'S A QUARTER NATION OF TWO DEPARTMENTS SO THAT WE DO NOT REDO A STREET AND NEXT WEEK TEAR IT UP TO PUT IN UTILITY LINES ARE VERY CABLE. I KNOW THE COMMUNITY SOMETIMES GROWTH A LITTLE IMPATIENT WITH THAT, THAT IS A LONG PROCESS AND A LOT OF DIFFERENT PLAYERS. WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT AT&T AND THE CABLE COMPANIES TO BRING IN CABLE LINES. IT IS A REALLY COMPLICATED PROCESS WHEN WE BASICALLY REENGINEER AS TREE FOR STORM WATER. IF THE SYSTEM THAT CONVEYS THE STORM WATER TO THE DRAINS AND ALL OF THAT IS FACTORED IN. I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE WHEN IT COMES TO STREET VERSUS STREET RECONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PROCESS AND MORE MONEY THAN WHAT IS ALLOCATED HERE. 17TH STREET,

HOW MUCH DID YOU SPEND? >> I WANT TO SAY THAT CAME IN

AT $1.6 MILLION. >> AND AVENUE B ROUGHLY?

>> I THINK $1.3 MILLION. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR.

ANDREWS. >> MR. ANDREWS, YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT SPARKED MY INTEREST. I REMEMBER THE LIST IF YOU MEETINGS BY WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RESURFACING.

YOU JUST SAID YOU ARE GOING TO BRING ANOTHER LIST. MY ONLY CONCERN IS I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BEFORE WE VOTE FOR $4.2 MILLION OR $4.1 MILLION WHERE THE MONEY IS. WHEN I READ EVERYTHING I THOUGHT THIS MONEY WAS GOING TOWARD THE LIST THAT WE ALREADY APPROVED. SO NOW YOU'RE SAYING THERE MIGHT BE ANOTHER LIST. IN THE FUTURE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW BEFOREHAND FOR A VOTE ON SOMETHING WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING AND WHAT ROAD IT IS GOING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE UPDATING THE LIST BECAUSE WE HAVE HIMSELF COMPLETED OR IS THERE A BRAND-NEW LIST?

>> THE WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS IF WE DEVELOP A LIST. OUR GOAL IS AROUND $900,000-$1 MILLION PER YEAR FOR RESURFACING. WHEN I BRING THE COMMISSION UP-TO-DATE ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS ARE PRESENT THE LIST.

THAT LIST IS FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR. THE FOLLOWING YEAR I BRING BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSION AGAIN THE ROLES THAT

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WE ARE LOOKING AT. YOU ARE USUALLY INFORMED SIX MONTHS

AHEAD OF WHEN WE RESURFACE. >> JUST FOR MY CLARIFICATION I REMEMBER THE LIST WE WERE GIVEN. WE VOTED ON THAT LIST.

FOR MY CLARIFICATION TRYING TO SEE IF THIS MONEY GOING TOWARD THAT LIST OR A LIST THAT I HAVEN'T SEEN?

>> THIS IS GOING TOWARD THAT LIST.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WASN'T A LIST THAT

WE DIDN'T SEE. THAT'S FINE. >> AS WE ALL KNOW JACK HAS BEEN BUILDING THESE LISTS FOR YEARS. WE ALL KNOW THERE ARE ROADS ALL OVER THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. IT IS HARD TO PRIORITIZE.

>> I UNDERSTAND, MADAM MAYOR. BUT WHEN HE SAID ANOTHER LIST I

WAS LIKE WAIT A MINUTE. >> I GET IT. AND THEN WE HAD A

SURTAX LIST. >> THE ONLY, THAT I HAVE ON THE SUBJECT MATTER IS IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY WITHIN THE CITY OR A ROAD FAILURE BECAUSE OF A STORM WATER PIPE FAILURE JACK AND HIS STAFF HAVE A CONTRACT THEY CAN REACH INTO AND GET THE ROAD PAVED. I KNOW WITH MORE THEY REBUILD. AT THE SAME TIME IT IS UNIT PRICE. FOR INSTANCE A SMALL UTILITY COULD USE THIS TO PIGGYBACK. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE WHAT I KNOW ABOUT THE PUBLIC BIDDING PROCESS. IT IS A TOOL IN OUR TOOLKIT TO IMPROVE OUR CITY EVERY SINGLE DAY. A JACK, KEY BUILDING THAT LIST, SIR. I KNOW THAT IT'S A VERY LONG LIST.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> WITH THAT BEING FAT I MOVE

APPROVAL OF ITEM 12 D. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[a. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for a Final Plat, submitted by Property Owner(s), Audubon Development, Inc., and Applicant, Bradley J. Currie, Vice President of Engineering Design & Construction, Inc., to subdivide approximately 0.76 acres of land (more or less) into 10 platted lots including one (1) private access tract, and associated easements and buffers for the residential subdivision of Villas at Kings Landing located at or near 125 A. E. Backus Avenue in Fort Pierce, FL. The property is currently zoned Planned Development (PD) with a Future Land Use of Central Business District (CBD). Parcel Control Number: 2410-503-0012-010-9.]

ROLL CALL ] >> NEXT WE MOVE ON TO OUR QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING FOR THE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A FINAL PLAQUE. TO SUBDIVIDE APPROXIMATELY .76 ACRES OF LAND MORE OR LESS INTO 10 PLOTTED LOTS INCLUDING ONE PRIVATE ACCESS TRACK, ASSOCIATED EASEMENTS AND BUMPERS FOR VILLAS AT KING'S LANDING LOCATED AT OR NEAR 125

A.E. BACKUS AVENUE. >> THE CITY COMMISSION SERVES BOTH THE LEGISLATIVE AND QUALIFIED JUDICIAL ROLE. WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY THE COMMISSION ENGAGES IN -- THE COMMISSION APPLIES THOSE LAWS AND POLICIES AND IS HELD TO A STRICTER PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENT. PROCEEDINGS ARE LESS FORMAL THAN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT BUT MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL MEETINGS. QUASI JUDICIAL MEETINGS MUST FOLLOW BASIC STANDARDS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASED ON COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO CONDUCT THE PROCEEDINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES AND LEGISLATORS. THAT IS WHY THE COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED THE UNIFORM PROCEDURES FOR HEARINGS THAT

WILL BE FOLLOWED THIS EVENING. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE CALLED TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, HAVE WE MET THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS?

>> WE HAVE. >> AND WILL YOU ASK ABOUT X

PARTAKE IN OCCASIONS? >> YES MA'AM. COMMISSIONER

BRODRICK? >> IF THE QUESTION RELATIVE TO

THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE? >> JUST THE ITEMS TO BE

CONSIDERED. >> THANK YOU, NINE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINS? >> I KNOW THAT I'VE TALKED IN THE PAST ABOUT THIS PROJECT SO FOR TONIGHT, NO. I'M TRYING TO THINK OF ALL THE EMAILS AND EVERYTHING THAT I'VE GOT. I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING ON TONIGHT. THAT IS A NO.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> KNOW.

>> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON? >> AT SOME POINT I TALKED TO THE DEVELOPER. I'VE ALSO SPOKEN TO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE COMMENTS ON THE PLAT PROCESS.

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>> OKAY. MAYOR HUDSON? >> NO, MA'AM. NOW, WOULD YOU

LIKE TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES? >> I WILL BE HAPPY TO. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK PLEASE THAN A RACIAL RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR FORM -- OR FIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE PROCEED. >> BEFORE YOU WE HAVE A FINAL PLAT APPLICATION FOR VILLAS AT KING'S LANDING THE APPLICANT IF BRADLEY CURRY OF EDC INCORPORATED, PROPERTY OWNER OF AUDUBON DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED. PARTIAL ID 2410-503-002-0 10-9. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED TO SUBDIVIDE THE ACRES INTO 10 PLOTTED LOTS INCLUDING ONE PRIVATE ACCESS TRACK FOR THE BILL AT THE KING'S LANDING SUBDIVISION. THE CURRENT TEACHER LAND IS A ZONING OF PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SITE. THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING MAP FOR THE PROPERTY. AND BEFORE YOU WITH THE REQUESTED PLAT FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH THE 10 LOTS FOR 10 UNITS AND A PRIVATE ACCESS TRACK.

THIS CONNECTS TO A.E. BACKUS. THE PLANNING BOARD UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL WITH ONE CONDITION. THE APPLICANTS SHALL SUPPLY TWO MYLARS FOR APPROPRIATE SIGNATURES AND THE PLAT IS RECORDED WITH THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH 177-111. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN THE APPROVED DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE. POSSIBLE ACTIONS ARE TO PUT -- APPROVE WITH ALTERNATE CONDITIONS OR DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU.

>> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? AM ASSUMING AND MINOR SITE PLAN MODIFICATION, CORRECT?

>> THE APPLICANT HAS ALREADY HAD A MINOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL

DONE, CORRECT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

WHILE THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS

OF STAFF? >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSION, NO.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WE APPRECIATE STAFF AND THE COLLECTIVE EFFORTS THAT HAVE GONE INTO THIS PROJECT. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AT LEAST TO SHARE WITH YOU WHILE WE HAVE THE TIME OUR RENDERINGS OF THE END PRODUCT TO BRING THIS PLAT MORTUARY 3-D VIEW AND THEN I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> YOU HAVE UP TO 20 MINUTES, BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE THE 20 MINUTES.

RENDERINGS THAT WE HAVE OF THE ARCHITECTURAL PRODUCT. WE DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH THE PLANNING BOARD.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU GUYS THIS TIME.

UPDATED STREETSCAPE IN, PERVIOUS PAVERS, IT'S A REALLY NICE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER THIS PRODUCT. IT HAS MOVED ITS WAY THROUGH ENGINEERING AND SITE WORK APPROVALS AND WE ARE EAGER TO GET STARTED.

>> AS A MOVE THROUGH WILL YOU TELL ME WHERE BACKUS AVENUE

IS? >> THIS WILL BE LOOKING TO THE SOUTHWEST. YOUR BACK WOULD BE TOWARD THE RIVER. THE MARINA MIGHT BE TO THE LEFT OF YOU. BEHIND THOSE UNITS THAT YOU SEE RIGHT THERE WOULD BE MORE'S CREEK.

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>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> RELOADED GARAGES, INCREASE STREETSCAPE IN, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN APPEAL. THIS WOULD BE AT THE CORNER OF 2ND AND A BACKUS. THIS IS A TOP-DOWN VIEW.

THIS'LL BE STANDING AT THE MAIN ENTRANCE LOOKING SOUTH INTO THE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS WOULD BE IF YOU ARE FLYING ON A DRONE ABOVE MORRIS CREEK LOOKING AT THE INTERIOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS'LL BE STREET-LEVEL. THAT IS THE MAIN DRIVEWAY ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TONIGHT.

>> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?

>> NO, I AM AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

>> IT APPEARS AS THOUGH WHAT YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE IS A BETTER TRANSITION FROM THE TALLER BUILDINGS INTO THE LOWER PROFILE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> IT APPEARS AS THOUGH WITH THE DENSITY, THE FIVE AND THE MATH YOU MAY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED THAT. ALSO, IT APPEARS YOU PIVOT THE GARAGES AROUND THE OTHER WAY. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT FROM PRIOR SITE

PLANS THAT I HAVE SEEN. >> IT IS DEFINITELY A PRIORITY.

WE TOOK IN ALL OF THE COMMENTS. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR

THE APPLICANT? >> I HAD A COMMENT. I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, AND THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE BRIGHTLINE TRAIN IN THAT FIRST PICTURE. I HOPE THAT THEY ARE LISTENING AND THEY SEE IT. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT IN THERE.

>> I AM SURE THEY ARE LISTENING TO OUR MEETING.

>> YOU NEVER KNOW, I'M TRYING.

>> ANY WAY THAT WE CAN GET THEIR ATTENTION, RIGHT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I MIGHT CALL YOU BACK UP. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE, COME FORWARD.

THEY KNOW WHEN I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING MORE THAT YOU WANT TO SAY? ALL RIGHT. I AM CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE 13A, FINAL PLAT WITH ONE CONDITION

FROM THE FAT. >> SECOND.

>> OKAY. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[b. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-010 review and adoption of a Future Land Use Map Amendment of four (4) parcels of land to change the future land use designations from St. Lucie County designations of Residential High (RH), Residential Medium (RM), and General Commercial (CG) to City designations of Medium Density Residential (RM) (+/- 58.84 Acres) and Mixed-Use Development (MXD) (+/- 21.84 Acres), generally located north of Orange Avenue and west of N 41st Street, Millcreek. Parcel ID's: 2407-241-0001-000-3, 2407-231-0000-000-5, 2407-212-0001-000-3, 2407-221-0001-000-1 and 2407-211-0001-000-0. SECOND READING]

LEGISLATIVE HEARINGS. WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 23-010 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION OF THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT A PROPERTY 22 FEET WEST OF THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF ORANGE AVENUE AND NORTH 41ST STREET.

BEING MORE OR LESS 80.7 ACRES, THEREBY AMENDING THE DESIGNATIONS UP APPROXIMATELY AT THE AIRPORT FOR ACRES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THE ST. LUCIE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL HIGH TO RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM TO MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS OF APPROXIMATELY 21.84 ACRES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL HIGH, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM AND COMMERCIAL TO CITY OF FORT PIERCE DESIGNATION OF MIXED USE AS DESCRIBED IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION, DIVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR OTHER PURPOSES. THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

>> ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE, COME FORWARD.

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PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, MA'AM. YOU ARE WELCOME. MRS. COX WILL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES AND SHE'S GOING TO GIVE YOU A THREE SECOND WARNING.

>> MY NAME IS NANCY LOVE, 108 N. 40TH STREET. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. OUR ONLY CONCERNS ARE ONE, WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR UTILITIES. MY OTHER CONCERN IS THE NOISE LEVEL. ONCE YOU MAKE THIS PROPERTY MIXED COMMERCIAL , AND I PLAN ON LIVING THERE AT LEAST UNTIL I 100. I HAVE ABOUT 25-30 MORE YEARS. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. I LIKE WHERE I LIVE. I WANT TO STAY THERE. IF CONVENIENT, I CAN GET THE 95 IN TWO MINUTES. I CAN GET EVERYWHERE I NEED TO GO IN THE CITY IN 10 MINUTES. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REMEMBERED, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. THANK YOU.

>> WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE, COME FORWARD. OKAY, WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT ENTERTAIN A DISCUSSION. ANY QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? MR. FREEMAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY?

>> JUST TO REASSURE THE NEIGHBORS HERE, WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THIS PROPERTY IS A REDUCTION IN THE POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE. WE DID OR ORIGINALLY IT DOES HAVE A COUNTY HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. IT ALSO HAS A COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE AT THE FRONT THAT HAS BEEN DOWNGRADED TO MIXED-USE ON THE FRONT AND MEDIUM DENSITY ON THE BACK. THIS IS A LESS DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL MOVING

FORWARD. >> IT IS GOING TO BE LESS NOISE AND LESS THAN WHAT COULD'VE BEEN THERE. OKAY. GOOD. WE WANT MRS. LOVE TO BE ABLE TO LIVE THERE FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE

LIKE SHE WANTS TO. >> MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. THIS IS JUST THE FIRST PART. WE HEAR YOUR COMMENTS. WE WANT YOU TO COME IN TELL US HOW YOU FEEL. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T AND WE DON'T HEAR FROM YOU WE DO NOT KNOW. JUST UNDERSTAND EVERY STEP OF THE WAY WHATEVER COMES HERE, TRUST ME, IT WILL BE SCRUTINIZED BY EVERYBODY UP HERE. YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME BACK AT EVERY STAGE.

YOU WILL SEE WHAT IS GOING ON. ONE OF THE DUTIES OF THE COMMISSION IS TO ALWAYS PROTECT THE RESIDENTS. WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE THERE. PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD AND COME INTO THE CITY TO BUILD. IT IS A FINE LINE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO WALK. I WANT YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WHEN YOU COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND YOU GET YOUR THREE MINUTES, YOUR THREE MINUTES MEANS A LOT TO THOSE LISTENING. DON'T EVER BE AFRAID. I KNOW THAT YOU WON'T, BUT DON'T EVER BE AFRAID TO COME AND SPEAK. IT'S JUST HONEST, BUT THE MORE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE MICROPHONE TO SPEAK THE MORE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. IF YOU DO NOT SPEAK WE DO NOT KNOW. I THANK YOU FOR THAT. THIS IS JUST THE NEXT STEP. WE'LL SEE YOU AGAIN WHEN OTHER STEPS ARE COMING. WE KNOW

THAT YOU WILL BE BACK. >> I WANT TO ADD ONE THING SPECIFICALLY TO THE COMMENTS AND TO THOSE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA. ACTUALLY, THE BENEFIT IS FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS. AS THIS HAS DEVELOPED YOUR ASSESSED HOUSING VALUES WILL INCREASE WITH NEW PROPERTIES COMING ABOARD. SOME OF US HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE SCOPE OF THIS. YOUR VALUES WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE ONCE THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED. THAT IS A BIG PLUS FOR RESIDENTS AND ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT FROM THAT FIVE. WHILE TAXES INCREASE? WILL IT DO THAT OBVIOUSLY, BUT CERTAINLY TO GO FROM VACANT NO LAND, VERY LOW ASSESSED VALUE TO COME ONTO THE TAX ROLLS OF HOUSES OR CONDOS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE AT WHATEVER VALUE THEY BUILD THAT. AND YOU CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING THESE DAYS FOR LESS THAN A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND UP, THAT WILL INCREASE YOUR PROPERTY VALUES. THAT IS THE

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PART THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HEAR REALLY CLEARLY.

WE ALSO WANT TO INVITE YOU IN AS THE DEVELOPERS COME WITH THEIR PLANS. IT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS. IT GOES TO THE PLANNING BOARD. ALONG THE WAY YOU BEGIN TO SEE WHAT IS COMING. ALL OF US HERE, WE WILL MAKE SURE IS SURE TO WORK WITH THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. LOOK FORWARD TO MORE NEIGHBORS WHO WANT TO LIVE IN A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD, MAYBE EVEN DIVIDING ADDITIONAL SERVICES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE AROUND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MIXED-USE, THAT MAY MEAN SOME OF THE CONVENIENCES THAT YOU LOOK FOR MAY COME TO THAT AREA. WE ARE GOING TO VERY CAREFULLY TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BLEND THAT SO THAT IT IS NOT TOO INTRUSIVE.

IT WILL PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AN THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE LIVING IN THE YELLOW AREAS WOULD WANT AS WELL. MAYBE NICE RESTAURANT AND DIFFERENT THINGS WHERE YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL VERY FAR.

YOUR POINTS ARE WELL HER. THANK YOU FOR COMING TONIGHT AND

SHARING THOSE COMMENTS. >> A REALLY QUICK FOLLOW UP.

ONE THING COMMISSIONERS OFTEN JUST SAID, HE MENTIONED THE PLANNING BOARD. A LOT OF RESIDENTS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THEY CAN GO, WATCH AND PARTICIPATE. THEY WAITED UNTIL THEY COME TO THE MEETING AFTER THE PLANNING BOARD HAS APPROVED THAT AUGUST MEETING. YOU CAN GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND HERE WITH THE DEVELOPER AND EVERYBODY HAS TO SAY. YOU JUST DO NOT HAVE TO WAIT TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. YOU CAN GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD. IT IS ON THE WEBSITE WHERE THE MEETINGS ARE AND THE AGENDAS AND EVERYTHING. YOU CAN

PARTICIPATE IN THAT ALSO. >> AND YOU CAN SIGN UP TO GET

NOTICES . >> I MADAM MAYOR SAYS, YOU CAN

MOTION? >> WITH THAT I MOVE APPROVAL OF

ORNAMENTS 23-010 . >> A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL

THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> --

[c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-048 amending the Mayor and Commission annual salaries. SECOND READING]

>> NEXT WE HAVE 23-048 AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 2 DIVISION I SECTION 2-19 ESTABLISHING THE COMPENSATION PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY REPEALING OREGON MRS. -- THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

>> ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD.

WATCHED YOU RAISE OUR PROPERTY TAXES. OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR GAVE AN EXAMPLE OF $100,000 AND SHOW THAT THE COUNTY WAS CHARGING $749 AND UNDER HER EXAMPLE $.69. THE COUNTY GOT 360,000 PEOPLE. THE CITY HAS GOT A LITTLE SHORT OF 50,000.

THAT WAS A POOR EXAMPLE. THE COUNTY IS BUILDING ROADS, THEY ARE IMPROVING OF THE STRUCTURE. WE HAVE TO MET DAISY HIM, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF THINGS GOING ON. NOW Y'ALL ARE GOING TO GIVE YOURSELF THE RACE. YOU ARE LATER IN THE AGENDA GOING TO INCREASE OUR GARBAGE. IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN VERY PROFITABLE FOR THE CITY. MOST DON'T REALIZE THE CITY USED TO MAKE ABOUT $1 MILLION OFF OF GARBAGE. SOME OF US, IT JUST AFFECTS OUR DISCRETIONARY TAPPING IS IMPORTANT THAT IS. NOW, THE

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VISUAL ON THIS IS APPALLING. EVERY TIME THERE IS A MURDER IN THIS TOWN, I DID A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO MY 11, THERE ARE 271, I SEE YOU WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF THAT. THE VISUAL OF GIVING YOURSELF A RAISE EVEN A $3000 OR $4000, I REMEMBER WHEN THE MAYOR RAN AND SAYS SHE WASN'T GOING TO TAKE A SALARY. THAT WAS A JOKE. IF YOU CAN LIVE WITH IT WHILE YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO HAVE LOST LOVED ONES, SHAME. DO THE RIGHT THING ONCE IN A WHILE. IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE USED TO, BUT TRY.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? PLEASE

COME FORWARD. >> MICHELLE DANILOCK. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I APPALLS ANYTHING GOING TO YOU GUYS. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU SITTING UP HERE HAS MORE MONEY THAN YOU NEED. YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH. I CAME HERE AND SPOKE ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AFFORD THEIR ELECTRICAL BILLS. I WAS APPALLED AND IN TEARS TO SEE THE LADY IN THE BRAVES COME UP HERE AND TELL YOU GUYS THAT SHE HAD TO DECIDE BETWEEN ELECTRIC AND FOOD FOR HER CHILD. WHAT IS THIS ABOUT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU THINK YOU ARE ENTITLED TO A RAISE. NONE OF YOU DESERVE IT, SOME LESS THAN OTHERS.

WHILE SOME OF YOU ARE ON OTHER BOARDS COLLECTING MORE MONEY THAT YOU DON'T DESERVE AND I AM JUST TIRED. WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO CLEAN UP THE CITY? YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I'M OVER ON THE BEACH. I DON'T CARE, I'M SO DISGUSTED AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN OUR CITY. IT MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH. YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK TO MY STOMACH. I HAVE BEEN UP HERE NUMEROUS TIMES AND I AM GOING TO KEEP COMING. I'M GOING TO FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A VOICE. I AM THOROUGHLY AND UTTERLY DISGUSTED WITH YOU GUYS. YOU DON'T DESERVE WHAT YOU ARE GETTING CURRENTLY. SOME OF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO MEET WITH THE PUBLIC. AND THEN WHEN YOU MEET THEM OUT IN PUBLIC, THEY DON'T WANT TO TALK TO YOU. ALL OF YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE. OR THE DIRTY LOOKS WHEN SOMEBODY WALKS IN A COMMISSION.

I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ALL THINK YOU ARE. YOU WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. YOU HAVE FAILED MULTIPLE PEOPLE. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE AFRAID TO LIVE IN THIS CITY. SHAME ON YOU, ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE LIVED IN RAISED IN FORT PIERCE, AND WE KNOW WHO THOSE ARE. I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU GUYS DO NOT LOVE YOUR CITY ENOUGH TO GET OUT THERE AND MAKE THIS A BETTER CITY. WE HAVE SUCH A BEAUTIFUL PLACE, YET IT IS FALLING APART.

ACCORDING TO THAT LITTLE DISPLAY EARLIER THAT ALLEGEDLY SAYS 33% OF IT IS GOING TO THE POLICE. WHAT I CAN CALCULATE FROM WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WAS $3,065,031.91 WENT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WHY CAN'T YOU MAKE OURCITY STREETS SAFE? WHY ARE YOU LETTING CERTAIN GROUPS RUN THE CITY WHERE THE POLICE ARE TERRIFIED TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE? I AM DISGUSTED.

>> ANYONE ELSE LOOKING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE,

COME FORWARD. >> THAT EVENING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS LISA PRINTS. I DO APPALLS AN INCREASE IN PAY. THE REASON HAVE BEEN FOR SAVE IT. I WANT TO REITERATE. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IS WHEN SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAS LOST A LOVED ONE CAN SPEAK TO ANYONE SERVING ON THE COMMISSION AND

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THEY ARE TOLD THEY ARE NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, THAT THEY ARE HIRED BY THE CITY. I THINK THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND THEY STILL WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. IT IS SUCH A DISGRACE TO COME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH AND SAY TO SOMEONE HURTING IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I AM NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. I WAS NOT VOTED IN AND CANNOT BE VOTED OUT. YOU STILL WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND OUR PURPOSE AND OUR GOAL. I'M NOT HERE TO FLING INSULTS. THAT IS NOT GOING TO GET US ANYWHERE. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WORK TOGETHER. I KNOW WE ARE SAYING BEAUTIFY FORT PIERCE, BUT I KIND OF REMINDS ME OF A SCRIPTURE THAT TALKS ABOUT HOW A CASKET IS AND HOW BEAUTIFUL THE OUTSIDE OF A CASKET IS, BUT ON THE INSIDE IT'S THE BONES OF DEAD MEN.

THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE CITY UP FOR PEERS. WE ARE BEAUTIFY ONE SECTION AFTER GETTING THE NORTHWEST SIDE. WE ARE PUTTING LIGHTS ON AVENUE D. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT WHAT ABOUT PUTTING A LIGHT ON THE DARKNESS THAT RESIDES IN FORT PIERCE. WHAT ABOUT UTILIZING THAT MONEY IN BOOKER GARDENS WERE BULLET HOLES ARE LITERALLY IN THE WINDOWS OF THOSE APARTMENTS. THERE ARE BOARDS AND BULLETHOLES WHERE OUR CHILDREN HAVE TO COME TO. WHEN I CAME HERE BEFORE I SPOKE ABOUT THE COUNSELING FOR OUR CHILDREN AFTER SOMETHING HAPPENS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GAINES, BECAUSE YOU DID ADDRESS THAT. I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THE MEETING TO FAMILY SITUATIONS, BUT WE NEED TO UTILIZE THE FUNDS. DENY YOURSELVES. MAKE THAT ONE SACRIFICE THIS TIME TO NOT APPROVE AN INCREASE IN PAY AND UTILIZE THAT MONEY TO HELP OUR CHILDREN SO THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE STANDING OUTSIDE OF THEIR APARTMENT WHERE THEY LIVE AND STEP OVER A DEAD BODY. A 54-YEAR-OLD WOMAN GETTING SHOT. PLEASE, DENY YOURSELVES. MAKE THE NECESSARY SACRIFICES AND UNDERSTAND WHETHER YOU ARE HIRED OR ELECTED, YOU STILL WORK FOR THE PEOPLE. IF YOU CANNOT DO YOUR JOB I PRAY TO GOD SOMETHING HAPPENS TO UNSEAT YOU SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE IT AGAIN.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE?

>> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE SMITH I AM THE MOTHER OF A CHILD GONE DOWN ON JULY 17TH, 1:45 IN THE AFTERNOON. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IS JUSTICE? I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN FORT PIERCE.

HAVE SEEN NO JUSTICE. HER DAUGHTER WAS GUNNED DOWN, NO JUSTICE. IT'S LIKE NOBODY CARES. I'M PRETTY SURE YOU HAVE KIDS, GRANDKIDS. THAT WAS MY ONLY CHILD. I'M NOT GOING TO STOP UNTIL I FIND JUSTICE. EVERY OTHER MONTH SOMEONE IS KILLED. IT IS SHOOTING EVERY OTHER DAY. ISRAEL. SOME OF YOU LOOK LIKE YOU DON'T CARE.

IT IS REAL. BROAD DAYLIGHT, AND THE POLICE ARE SCARED. THEY ARE RUNNING. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT ANYBODY IS DOING, NOTHING.

RIGHT THERE, YOU LOOK LIKE YOU DON'T CARE, WHATEVER YOUR NAME IS. HOW YOU ARE LOOKING AT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR FACE. MY SON WAS GUNNED DOWN TO MY MOTHER SHAR, 1:45 IN THE AFTERNOON. MY SON WASN'T A BAD CHILD. HE WORKED, HE WENT TO SCHOOL AND MAKE GOOD GRADES. I WORKED HARD TO MAKE SURE HE BECAME SOMEONE ALIVE, BUT THEY TOOK IT AWAY. WITH GOD NO JUSTICE. SMALL TOWNS AND CITIES, THEY FIND THEIR JUSTICE. NOTHING HERE. NOTHING!

IT IS SAD. >> I AM JOANNE BRUNSON, THE GRANDMOTHER. IT IS SAD. I KNOW THAT WE ARE TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER. WE WANT TO SEE JUSTICE. WE WANT TO SEE JUSTICE FOR MY GRANDBABY. THIS IS MY SON'S CHILD, HIS BABY BOY. IT

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HURTS. EVERY DAY I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT HIM AND THE WAY THAT HE WAS GUNNED DOWN. IT HURTS. NOT A DAY GOES BY THAT I DO NOT THINK ABOUT HIM. I NEED US TO PULL TOGETHER AND FIND A SYSTEM. FIND SOMEONE THAT CAN HELP SOLVE THESE CRIMES. I JUST ATTENDED A FUNERAL ON SATURDAY. I WORK WITH SARAH MEMORIAL CHAPEL. I'M SINGING AT THESE FUNERALS. IT HURTS. I WANT TO SEE JUSTICE DONE. IT IS LIKE EVERY MONTH OR EVERY OTHER MONTH SOMEBODY IS DYING. WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO STOP THIS VIOLENCE IN OUR CITY. THAT IS MY SAYING, I WANT JUSTICE. WE HEAR THINGS. WE HEAR ABOUT WHO DID THIS, BUT NOBODY WILL COME TOGETHER AND SAY LET'S TARGET THIS. WE NEED THE HELP. THAT IS ALL THAT I'M SAYING. I WANT JUSTICE FOR MY BABY. HE WAS MY BABY. IT HURTS AND I JUST WANT

TO SEE JUSTICE FOR HIM. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS OR NOT. I AM LISTENING TO WHAT IS BEING SAID. I KNEW THIS FAMILY. THE GRANDMOTHER WAS A MEMBER OF MY CHURCH. SHE PASSED AWAY, HE WAS KILLED BEFORE WE COULD EVEN HAVE A FUNERAL. THAT ISN'T THE REASON I'M HERE TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO NEED MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. NOW I'M DEALING WITH A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

>> YOU ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES SO YOU HAD BETTER SPEAK FAST,

SIR. >> A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WE WERE HERE CONCERNING THE TOWER THAT IS GOING TO BE PUT UP IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. I WAS VERY BOTHERED. I DIDN'T GET TO SLEEP UNTIL 3:00 IN THE MORNING. IT BOTHER ME SO BAD. I WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO MY HEART, NOT JUST MY WORDS. I WAS HURTING BECAUSE I AM A TAXPAYER. I PAY A LOT OF TAXES. I AM PLEADING FOR SOMETHING TO NOT GO IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, WITHIN 200 FEET OVER MY SON AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW LIVE. I NOTICE THAT MY GOOD FRIEND IS IN THE BUILDING. THERE IS NOTHING AGAINST HIM.

AND I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO ALL OF YOU. I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF YOU ARE RACISTS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OR PREJUDICE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT, BUT SOME THINGS WERE SAID. I WASN'T FOR THAT. I DON'T WANT TO POINT FINGERS. THIS IS A HEALING TIME. WE NEED HEALING. I WAS HURT. I KNOW THERE IS NOTHING THAT I CAN DO, BUT WE HAVE TWO GOOD COMMISSIONERS HERE. I FEEL THEY GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEY WERE VOTED DOWN. I'VE SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHERE THEY VOTE FOR SOMETHING AND THEY ALWAYS GET OUTVOTED. MAYBE ONE TIME SOMEBODY CAN JUMP ON BOARD AND LOOK FOR THE BETTER FOR OUR COMMUNITY. MAYOR, I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW MY WORK FOR THE CITY AND MY LOVE FOR THE CITY. THE NEW COMMISSIONERS DON'T KNOW MY WORK, I LOVE MY CITY. I REMEMBER WHERE WE SET UP A PROGRAM AND WE WERE KNOCKING ON DOORS. I HAVE A PICTURE WHILE WE WERE GOING AROUND KNOCKING ON DOORS AND TALKING TO YOUNG MAN AND TRYING TO LET YOUNG PEOPLE KNOW AND PARENTS KNOW THAT THEIR SON OR DAUGHTER MAY

BE IN A DRUG PATH. >> YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING?

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>> MA'AM, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.

>> YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER! >> I AM CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I AM GOING TO BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

IN TERMS OF ITEM C.

>> MADAM MAYOR, DID THE DISCUSSIONS ADJUST THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE OR WE JUST DISCUSS --

>> YOU CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING YOU WANT. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, I WELCOME IT.

>> I NEED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS. I AM BORN AND RAISED IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I AM IN THE STREETS OF FORT PIERCE EVERY DAY.

WHEN THE YOUNG LADY, HER MOTHER IS HERE TODAY, WHEN THE YOUNG LADY WAS KILLED IN THE PARK I WENT OUT TRYING TO GET EVIDENT.

TRYING TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION MYSELF. NOT AS A COMMISSIONER, BUT AS ARNOLD GAINES FROM FORT PIERCE. I EVEN GOT CALLS TELLING ME TO BE CAREFUL. I SAID I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE SOMETHING HAS STOPPED. I ASKED FOR MY TOWN HALL MEETING, BECAUSE I WANTED TO ADDRESS ALL OF THESE ISSUES. I WAS HOPING THAT YOU WILL COME. I EVEN ASKED ABOUT YOU. WE'RE STILL GOING TO TALK, BECAUSE I AGREE THAT WE NEED SOME MENTAL. MOST OF THE KEY IS THAT THE YOUNG LADY TALKED ABOUT WITH THE BULLET HOLES, I KNOW THOSE KIDS. THEY TELL ME. I DRIVE OVER THERE. I WALK OVER THERE.

I SEE THE BULLET HOLES. I ALSO KNOW AS THE YOUNG LADY SAID, I AM JUST TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD. I DON'T WANT TO GET EMOTIONAL HERE. ONE THING IN MY TOWN HALL MEETING THAT I TALKED ABOUT WAS, AND WHOEVER WAS THERE WILL REMEMBER, I CANNOT DO IT BY MYSELF. I FEEL THAT MOTHER'S PAIN. IT WAS 1:45 IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. YOU MEAN TO TELL ME NOBODY SAW ANYTHING? THERE WERE AT LEAST 1000 PEOPLE AT THAT CAR SHOW. NOBODY SAW ANYTHING? I AM DOING EVERYTHING IN MY POWER. I WILL MEET WITH ANYBODY. I WILL GO ANYWHERE. I DON'T CARE, I WILL SAY ANYTHING. I GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE WHEN I DO THAT. TO BE ACCUSED OF NOT CARING, I CAN'T LET THAT SLIDE. I KNOW THAT I DO. I KNOW WHAT I DO EVERY DAY IN THE COMMUNITY. I KNOW WHAT I DO EVERY DAY OUTSIDE OF THIS CHAIR AT MY OTHER JOB. IF I AM NOT HERE OR IN MY OFFICE I MET SOME INTRAGROUP OR DOING SOMETHING WITH KIDS. AT MY TOWN HALL MEETING I THE QUESTION, IF YOU HAVE A SOLUTION OR YOU HAVE AN ANSWER OR YOU CAN HELP ME TO HELP US, LET ME KNOW. ONE THING WE LOVE, EVERYBODY WANTS JUSTICE. WE'VE GOT TO START SAYING WHAT WE SEE. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE SCARED. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AGAIN, I GREW UP IN FORT PIERCE. I KNOW THE COLD OF YOU HAD BETTER NOT SNITCH. THE COLD GOES OUT THE WINDOW WHEN IT IS SOMEBODY IN YOUR FAMILY,

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BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL EVERYTHING THAT YOU KNOW THEN.

DON'T YOU EVER THINK THAT I DO NOT CARE. DON'T YOU EVER THINK THAT I WON'T GO TO THE END OF THE EARTH TO DO SOMETHING FOR THESE KIDS IN FORT PIERCE. I CANNOT WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND HOW YOUR SON WAS KILLED AT 1:45, BROAD DAYLIGHT AND NOBODY SAW NOTHING. I CANNOT WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND THAT. I JUST CAN'T. YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT SOMEBODY DIDN'T SEE SOMETHING. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. NOW, I SPOKE TO YOU, REMEMBER? WEREN'T YOU AT THE FUNERAL HOME? I TOLD YOU THAT I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER. I HAVE BEEN OUT. I PUT MYSELF IN DANGER. I'M NOT ASKING QUESTIONS. I COACHED HIM. I COACHED THE GRANDFATHER AND THEIR DAD. SO I CAN WALK AROUND FOR PEERS ANYTIME THAT ARE WANT BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHO I AM. I DON'T RUN FROM ANYTHING.

I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR ME. THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE TO TALK. I AM TALKING FOR ME. STUFF WITH IT THAT WE DIDN'T CARE. I AM TELLING YOU THAT I DO CARE. I HEARD SOME OTHER THINGS ABOUT OTHER COMMITTEES AND GETTING MONEY, I MUST'VE MISSED THAT MEMO. I'M NOT RECEIVING ANY MONEY FROM ANY OTHER COMMITTEE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT INFORMATION CAME FROM. I KNOW IT WAS SOMETHING ABOUT MONEY OR SOMETHING GOING TO A BASEBALL LEAGUE. I DIDN'T ASK FOR THAT MONEY. ANYTIME MONEY CAN COME TO A PROGRAM LIKE NORTHSTAR LITTLE LEAGUE, ELKS LITTLE LEAGUE OR ANY OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS WHERE THE COACHES CAN KEEP THEIR EYES ON THE KIDS, AND HELP THE KIDS TO DO WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO I'M GOING TO FIGHT FOR THAT ALL THE TIME. I NEED THE COMMUNITY TO HELP ME. I AM PUTTING IT ON ME.

I GREW UP THERE. I NEED THE COMMUNITY TO HELP ME. I CANNOT DO IT BY MYSELF. I HAVE SAID THAT 1000 TIMES. I'VE SAID THIS SEVERAL TIMES SITTING HERE, I DON'T WANT TO GO TO ANOTHER FUNERAL AND SEE ANOTHERKID LYING IN A CASKET. I AM TIRED OF DOING IT. FROM KIDS THAT ARE BEING KILLED, FROM KIDS THAT ARE PLAYING WITH GUNS AND KILLING THEMSELVES, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANOTHER KID LYING IN A CASKET. IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THAT WAY. KIDS ARE NOT SUPOSED TO BE LYING IN CASKETS. THE YOUNG LADY THAT CAME BEFORE ASK ABOUT A TASK FORCE. SHE LEFT THE LAST MEETING AND WE TALKED ABOUT GOING IN FRONT OF THE POLICE ADVISORY BOARD TO PUT IT IN FRONT. I SPOKE TO MEMBERS ON THE POLICE ADVISORY BOARD TO BRING THAT UP AT THE NEXT MEETING. WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, COMMISSIONERS, AND I WAS GOING TO SAVE THIS, BUT SINCE THEY BROUGHT IT UP, I WAS GOING TO SAVE THIS FOR COMMENTSFROM THE COMMISSION. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS TODAY. EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING TO BEAUTIFY FORT PIERCE IS NOT GOING TO WORK IF WE DO NOT STOP THE KILLINGS IN FORT PIERCE. I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY THAT I HAVE THE ANSWERS. THAT WOULD BE AN OUTRIGHT LIE, BUT I NEED PEOPLE TO HELP ME TO HELP US. EVERYONE THAT IS LISTENING, AND I GOT CHEWED OUT FOR SAYING THIS, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT. THERE ARE SOME ADULTS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT KNOW WHAT THESE KIDS ARE DOING AND ARE LETTING THEM COME BACK HOME AND I UP IN THEIR BEDS. THEY ARE GOING OUT AND RENTING CARS FOR THEM SO THAT THEY CAN GET RID OF THE CARS. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

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YES, I AM CALLING THEM OUT. THEY NEED TO BE CALLED OUT.

IT'S THE SAME ONES STANDING IN THE PROTEST TALKING ABOUT WE WANT JUSTICE. IF THE SAME ONES THAT ARE DOING THE DIRT. DON'T EVER THINK THAT I DON'T CARE. I AM DOING EVERYTHING THAT I CAN AS A HUMAN BEING. FORGET THE SEAT, AS A BLACK MALE BORN ARRAYS IN FOR PEERS I'M TIRED OF SEEING BLACK MALES GUNNED DOWN. I'M TALKING TO THEM EVERY DAY. I HAVE MENTORING GROUPS. I TALKED TO THEM EVERY DAY. WHEREVER I GO I TELL THEM. I FEEL YOUR PAIN. WITH THAT I'LL BE QUIET, NOT AMIR. I'LL SAVE THE REST FOR MY COMMENTS DURING MY COMMISSION TIME.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU MADE A PASSIONATE STATEMENT, BUT THERE IS SOME ACTION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. YOU SAY WHAT ARE WE DOING FROM UP HERE? THREE OR TWO COMMISSION MEETINGS IN YOU CAUGHT IT OUT. WE ARE UPGRADING AND INVESTING IN THE PART THAT WE CAN DO TO SURVEY ALL OVER CITY. WE ARE PUTTINGTHOSE TECHNIQUES AND MODERN TECHNIQUES OUT THERE SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE DO NOT SAY STUFF WE CAN BEGIN TO CAPTURE INFORMATION THAT WILL LEAD TO AN ARREST AND THESE PEOPLE BEING TAKEN OFF THE STREET. WE NEED YOUR HELP. IF YOU ARE NOT SAYING ANYTHING, WE CANNOT MAKE AN ARREST. IF WE DO NOT GET THOSE TIPS I EVEN WHERE TO LOOK, EVEN IF YOU HEAR ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN THE POLICE ARE OUT THERE AND THEY ARE TRYING TO BE A DETERRENT TO PREVENT CRIME. THEY CANNOT KNOW EVERYTHING OR EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ABOUT WHO HAS BEEF WITH TWO. IT CONCERNS ME THAT THAT FELL ONTO DEAF EARS. YOU CALL THAT OUT. WE VOTED ON IT AND PUT THE THINGS AND PLACE ON OUR END. YOU JUST HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT MONIES BEING INVESTED. WE MADE A COMMITMENT THREE YEARS AGO. WE GOT GRANT MONEY. WE NOW HAVE TO TAKE CITY MONEY TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THOSE OFFICERS ON THE STREETS. AGAIN, THAT FALLS ON DEAF EARS IF NO ONE IS GIVING US A CLUE TO EVEN BE IN THE VICINITY TO PREVENT SOME OF THE STUFF.

I'VE BEEN KNOWING YOUR FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING, YOU ARE FROM THIS AREA. WE LIVE IN THE AREA. I LIVE IN MY DISTRICT. I'M NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND SAY I DON'T LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. I HAVE BULLET HOLES IN MY HOME RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE INTENDED FOR ME OR RANDOM, BUT THAT IS ON RECORD. I UNDERSTAND. I'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY SINCE '59. I UNDERSTAND, BUT I CANNOT DO IT BY MYSELF. I DON'T RUN AND HIDE. PEOPLE CALL ALL THE TIME.

SOME PEOPLE MAKE PUBLIC STATEMENTS, SOME PEOPLE DON'T.

WE ALL OPERATE A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY, BUT THE DOOR IS ALWAYS OPEN. WHEN I WAS SAY TO YOU IS WE ARE COMMITTED TO FORT PIERCE ALL PARTS. YOU CANNOT GET TO DISTRICT 2 WITHOUT COMING FOR DISTRICT 1 WHEN YOU GET OFF OF I-95.

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CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN OUR CITY. I WISH THAT I COULD SHARE THEM WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER GAINES WAS RIGHT. HEAR ME LOUD AND CLEAR, THOSE PEOPLE BRINGING THE RESOURCES THAT YOU WANT MAY CONSIDER LOOKING ELSEWHERE BECAUSE OF FEAR. WE HAVE TO SOLVE THESE ISSUES. THERE IS NO SECRET WE ARE SOLICITING BRIGHTLINE TO PUT A STATION IN FORT PIERCE SO THAT YOU CAN GET FROM MIAMI TO ORLANDO. ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE MONEY WITHOUT HAVING TO TRANSPORT THEMSELVES BY GET THERE IN A CONVENIENT AND EFFICIENT MANNER. YOUR HEART WAS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN TO BRING THE ELEMENT OF A HOTEL HERE WHERE PEOPLE MAKE MONEY, ALL PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE A CATERING BUSINESS, A CARWASH, PEOPLE ARE COMING TO FORT PIERCE AT THE DESTINATION. THAT CAN STOP IF WE DO NOT GET OUR ACT TOGETHER AND START SOLVING THIS. WE NEED YOUR HELP. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMICS. THEIR MOTTO IS I HAVE TO DEFEND MY TURF. AFTER A WHILE WE WILL HAVE NO TURF.

NOBODY WILL WANT TO COME HERE. I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW WE NEED YOUR HELP. THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE ARE HAVING WITH THESE COMPANIES WILL TAKE A DIFFERENT DIRECTION IF WE DON'T GET THIS UNDER CONTROL. WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR PART. WHAT WE NEED IS HUMAN INVESTMENT.

THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. WE ARE HERE, WE ARE MAKING THE INVESTMENT IN OUR CITY.

SOMEBODY IS SAYING THAT WE WANT A HEAVIER HAND OF LAW AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. SOMETIMES THAT MAY NOT MEET WITH WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO FEEL AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED. THERE IS A FINE LINE BETWEEN THOSE THINGS. WE DO NOT WANT ANYONE UNNECESSARILY HARASSED, RIDICULED OR ANYTHING, BUT WE NEED THEIR HELP TO POINT US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. >> A QUICK COMMENT, I RESPECT THE COMMENTS OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, VERY HEARTFELT.

ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I MADE THE DECISION TO RUN FOR THIS POSITION AND THE MATTERS THAT COME WITH IT IS THAT I RESIDED HERE FOR 20 YEARS. I WAS NOT BORN ARRAYS HERE. HOWEVER, MY FAMILY IS HERE. I OWN BUSINESSES HERE. I LIVE IN ELECTED FROM DISTRICT 2. I SPENT MORE TIME IN DISTRICT 1 AS MY BUSINESSES ARE PRIMARILY LOCATED THERE. HAVING SERVED ON SEVERAL BOARDS WITHIN THE CITY I SAW A TRUE NEED FOR GOOD EMPLOYMENT. THE PERSPECTIVE THAT I TAKE ON THIS, AND I DON'T WANT TO SOUND CLICHÉ, WHEN THE TIDE COMES IN ALL

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SHIPS RISE. IF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS ABLE TO COORDINATE, MOTIVATE AND FINALIZE THE ABILITY TO BRING GOOD PAYING JOBS TO FORT PIERCE, IT TAKES FOLKS THAT ARE IN ECONOMIC DISTRESS AND GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO STEP UP. THROUGH THEIR OWN ACTIONS AND MOTIVATIONS. I TRULY BELIEVE THE CITY IS HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION WITH INVESTMENT DOLLARS COMING INTO THE COMMUNITY, THE POTENTIAL FOR AN A LOT OF GOOD PAYING JOBS DUE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT IN THE WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE CITY. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IS THE FUTURE. THE CURE TO THIS PROBLEM IS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIND GOOD PAY, SUCCESSFUL CAREERS, PRIDE IN THEIR JOBS, ETC. I BELIEVE THAT FORMULA TRULY CAN WORK. THE SHORT TERM SOLUTION IS INVESTMENT IN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS COMMISSION DENY ANY REQUEST TO OUR DEPARTMENT. IT WOULD BE MY INTENTION TO CARRY THAT THEME INTO THE FUTURE. I REALLY BELIEVE THIS IS A THREE-PRONGED APPROACH. ONE, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. WHEN THIS DOES HAPPEN OR PRIOR TO ENGAGEMENT WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. TWO, THE BUTTRESSING WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE ASSETS OF ANY LIKE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, SUFFICIENT EQUIPMENT AND PERSONNEL. IT IS CRITICAL.

THREE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO BRING IN NOT LOW-PAYING A MENIAL WORK, GOOD PAYING, SKILLED JOBS THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN BE TRAINED FOR AND SECURE GOOD INCOMES FOR THEIR FAMILIES. BY GENERATING GOOD INCOME IT CONVINCES PEOPLE TO NOT DO THE NEGATIVE ACTIVITIES TO TRY TO GENERATE INCOME. I LOOK AT THINGS CONSISTENTLY FROM A BUSINESS OPTIC. THIS ISSUE IN PARTICULAR, I SIT THERE WITH THIS MASSIVE LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE OTHER ANSWERS ARE, AT LEAST FROM A SHORT-TERM PERSPECTIVE. LONG-TERM I KNOW THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT PATH, BUT THAT DOES NOT FIX THINGS TODAY. WE ARE FORCED TO INVEST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND GIVE THEM THE ASSETS THAT THEY NEED. COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT AS WELL. I AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT THAT HAVE BEEN EXPRESS. TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU IS A LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION I'VE NEVER REALLY EXPERIENCED BEFORE. I WILL

LEAVE IT AT THAT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR SHARING WITH ME WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART. I REALLY BELIEVE THE WORDS I'VE HEARD. I APPRECIATE THEM GREATLY. ONE OF THE THINGS I STRUGGLE WITH FOR MANY YEARS IF THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE BUDGETARY ASPECTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

AND IF YOU POINTS PRIOR TO MY CAREER HERE I WAS CHILD'S WITH THE IDEA OF HOW WE WERE SPINNING AROUND COMMISSION BUDGET IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE WERE HOLDING DEPARTMENT HEADS TOO. I AM SHARING WITH YOU HOW I LOOK AT, EVALUATE AND ULTIMATELY VOTE ON THE CITY BUDGET. IN MY HEART I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THE COMMISSION OR AS A COMMISSIONER IT IS A CHALLENGING JOB THAT WE HAVE ALL SIGNED UP TO DO AND VERY APPRECIATIVE IN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. AS A RESULT ALL THE TIME WITH A HOW IS IT GOING? I THINK IT'S THE MOST FULL-TIME PART-TIME JOB YOU COULD EVER EMBARK UPON. I SAID THAT BECAUSE OF THE OUT IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT UNTIL WE ESTABLISH A FAIR CAPITAL BUDGET, SO WE ARE ABLE

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TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO BE FIERY CITY AND ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL SAFETY PARAMETERS LIKE LIGHTING , ADDING STAFF WITH AN ARROW LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY THAT I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A PROBLEM VOTING WITH ANY INCREASE. AND I HAVE THAT TODAY. I SURE THAT IN THE CONFERENCE AGENDA. I SHARED IT IN THE FIRST READING OF THIS. I CONTINUE TO BE CHALLENGED BY THIS CHANGE. IN GETTING INTO THE ADAM I AM STILL CHALLENGED.

I VOTED THE FIRST TIME. I'M JUST NOT THERE YET. I'M NOT READY TO SUPPORT THIS. WE ARE KNOCKING AT THE DOOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. WE HAVE ONE FORT PIERCE TOGETHER AT THE CITY OF RESIDENCE WORKING TOGETHER . I FEEL LIKE IT IS FAIR WITH WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

>> SO I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I AM A MOTHER AND A GRANDMOTHER. I ABSOLUTELY UNDERSTAND YOUR PAIN. I THINK THAT THE WAY THE JUSTICE SYSTEM WORKS, THE COMMISSION IS NOT A PART OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. IT IS THE POLICE, THE STATE ATTORNEY, AND IF THAT IS FAILING YOU I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO KNOW THAT. WHAT WE ARE UP HERE TO DO IS TO MAKE POLICY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO, IT IS THE POLICE, THE LAW ENFORCEENT AND JUSTICE SYSTEM THAT MAKE SURE WE HAVE JUSTICE. WE CANNOT HAVE LAW AND ORDER UNLESS WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT THE CONCEPT. I SUPPORT WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE BEEN SAYING. WE NEED THE HELP OF THE COMMUNITY WHEN THEY KNOW SOMETHING. WE KNOW THAT WE NEED THAT. WHAT WE HAVE TRIED TO DO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO HAVE EQUIPMENT FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THE THINGS WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE HAVEN'T HAD THE COOPERATION OF THE COMMUNITY. I CAN'T IMAGINE YOUR PAIN OF LOSING YOUR GRANDCHILD. I JUST WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW THAT WE ALL CARE. I ALSO WANT THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW I'VE BEEN IN THIS CHAIR FOR 10 YEARS. WE HAVE CAST A LOT OF BOATS AND WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. WE HAVE AGREED ON SOME THINGS, 90% OF THE THINGS WE AGREE ON. FOR WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT COMMISSIONERS TONIGHT, THIS IS THE HARDEST WORKING COMMISSION THAT I HAVE EVER WORKED WITH.

BECAUSE OF THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY KEEP OUTSIDE OF THIS CHAMBER, THAT MIGHT BE THE ONLY TIME THAT YOU SEE THEM, BUT I KNOW HOW HARD THEY WORK IN THE COMMUNITY AND HOW HARD THEY WORK IN KEEPING COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS. THEY GIVE A LOT OF TIME. THIS COMMISSION TAKES A STRAWBERRY SERIOUSLY. WHEN YOU GET ELECTED YOU DON'T REALIZE THE AMOUNT OF COMMITMENT IT TAKES. YOU HAVE TO REALLY ADJUST YOUR WHOLE LIFE. I AM NOT ASKING ANYONE TO FEEL SORRY, I'M JUST TELLING YOU, IT'S NOT JUST THE MEETINGS THAT YOU SEE US UP HERE, IT IS ALL THE OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE. MANY OF THE PEOPLE APPEAR HAVE OTHER JOBS. ALL OF THESE JOBS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PART-TIME, BUT I CAN SAY FROM WHAT I CAN OBSERVE EVERYONE UP HERE GIVES MORE THAN 100% OF THIS JOB BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THE CITY. MAYBE YOU DO NOT SEE THEM CARRYING THE WAY THAT YOU WANT THEM TO CARE. MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DO NOT PERCEIVE THAT THEY DO, BUT I KNOW THEY DO . I SEE THAT

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THEY DO. HONESTLY, SOMETIMES I WORRY ABOUT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, THEIR HEALTH, CAUSE THEY ARE BURNING THE CANDLE AT BOTH ENDS, INCLUDING MR. MIMMS. WE ALL LOVE FORT PIERCE. WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO ANYTHING AT ALL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SEE UP HERE IS ONLY 1% OF WHAT EVERYBODY APPEARED US. MAYBE YOU ARE NOT APPRECIATIVE OF A VOTE OR DISAGREE WITH WHAT WE'VE DONE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW ALL THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY DOES EVERY DAY AND GIVE OF THEMSELVES, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE PEOPLE. THEY TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. WITH THAT I THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE SUBJECT

AT HAND. COMMISSIONER GAMES. >> MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET ME GET BACK TO THE ITEM. WHEN THIS CAME UP IN CONFERENCE AGENDA I SPOKE ON THE DAY AND I WILL SPEAK ON IT NOW. THE JOKE OF THE DAY SO TO SPEAK IS THAT THIS COMMISSIONER POSITION IS A PART-TIME JOB. I AM A COMMISSIONER 24 SLASHED SEVEN. PRIME EXAMPLE WAS JUST YESTERDAY. A RESIDENT RANG MY DOORBELL AND HAD A PROBLEM WITH SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AT CITY HALL ON FRIDAY. I DID TELL HIM IT WAS A HOLIDAY. I DIDN'T TELL HIM I WILL HANDLE IT MONDAY. I SAT DOWN AND I TALKED TO HIM.

THIS MORNING WHEN CITY HALL OPEN I SENT EMAILS TO TRY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT, TO SEE IF WE COULD DO IT. AGAIN, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ME, THERE IS NOWHERE THAT I CAN GO IN THE CITY OR SOMEONE WHEN I QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE CITY. I STOP AN ANSWER. I HAVE MEETINGS IN WALMART AND IN MCDONALD'S. I HAVE HAD MEETINGS EVERYWHERE YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION. WHEN THIS CAME UP I SAID THIS IS NOT A PART-TIME POSITION. LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE AT LEAST THE COMMISSIONERS COULD SOME TIME IN A COST-OF-LIVING RAISE AS ALL OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE EMPLOYEES GET. THAT IS HOW THIS CAME UP. THEN HE CAME UP THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN ONE SINCE 2060, I THINK IT WAS. IT'S HOW IT CAME ABOUT. IT CAME ABOUT JUST AS THE REST OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES GET A COST-OF-LIVING RAISE, WHICH EVERYBODY GETS. I SAID HEY, THIS IS NOT A PART-TIME JOB. LET'S CONSIDER GETTING A COST-OF-LIVING RAISE.

EVERYTHING IS GOING UP. THAT IS HOW IT CAME OUT. THIS DIDN'T COME UP AS WE WANTMORE MONEY OR WE WANT THIS, I WANT WHATEVER. AS YOU SAID, I THINK THE QUOTE WAS $3000. IT'S A COST-OF-LIVING. WHEN IT CAME UP I DISCUSSED IT BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS NOT A PART-TIME JOB. THERE IS NOT ONE PERSON THAT CAN SAY IF THEY ASKS TO MEET WITH ME I DID IT MEET WITH THEM. NOW IF YOU CALL ME AND I DIDN'T CALL YOU BACK TAKE THAT UP FOR ME HAVING MY AARP CARD. DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I FORGOT. I MEET WITH ANYBODY, EVERYBODY, ANYTIME THEY WANT. I TAKE ALL CALLS THAT I CAN TAKE. OFFICE HOURS, ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT, I'M HERE. ALL OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES THAT WE SERVE, I SERVE ON EIGHT. I HAVE THE TWO

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ADDED, HOUSING FOR THE CITY AND HOUSING FOR ACCOUNTING. I'M NOT COMPLAINING. I'M DOING IT BECAUSE I WANT FORT PIERCE TO BE BETTER. MY THOUGHT WAS IT IS NOT A PART-TIME JOB. A COST-OF-LIVING INCREASE TO ME SHOULD NOT OF BEEN A BIG DEAL.

I AM PUTTINGIN THE TIME TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER. THAT'S HOW IT CAME ACROSS AND HOW IT CAME UP. I DIDN'T GO IN SAYING LET'S CHANGE THE SALARY FROM WHATEVER TO WHATEVER. IT WAS A COST-OF-LIVING INCREASE THAT EVERY OTHER CITY EMPLOYEE GETS.

THAT IS ALL THIS IS. BRING IT BACK, WE TALKED ABOUT IT THEN I SAID HEY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING, I KNOW I AM NOT A PART-TIME COMMISSIONER. THAT'S HOW I FELT. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID THE SAME THING IN THE CONSENT. AND I'M NOT GOING TO PUT WORDS INTO YOUR MOUTH, BUT YOU ARE JUST AS HARD AS I DO YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT A PART-TIME JOB. WITH THAT BEING SAID THAT IS WHERE I STAND. I THINK WE DESERVE IT. EVERY OTHER MONEY. LET ME SAY THIS, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THESE COMMISSIONERS WANT TO SAY ABOUT ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC, BUT WE CANNOT. IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. TWO COMMISSION MEETINGS, MAYBE THE LAST OR TWO COMMISSION MEETINGS IN IF YOU WERE HERE YOU HEARD THAT WE SPENT $122,000 ON NEW EQUIPMENT.

PEOPLE HEARD THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER THINGS IMPLEMENTED THAT I CANNOT TELL YOU, BECAUSE IF I TELL YOU IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE. WITH THAT BEING SAID THAT IS HOW I FEEL ON 13 C.

THAT IS WHERE I STAND. >> IF I COULD ADD TO THAT. I'M GOING TO TAKE THE REST OF THE DISCUSSION OUT OF THIS AND COME BACK AND APPLY SOME VERY SIMPLE BUSINESS PRINCIPLES. I UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL NATURE OF THIS DISCUSSION. I AM PUTTING THAT ASIDE. SIMPLE ECONOMICS DICTATE THAT THE COMMISSION COMPENSATION SHOULD BE LINKED IN MY OPINION SOLELY TO WHAT THE BALANCE OF CITY STAFF RECEIVE. CANDIDLY I DON'T THINK IS TO BE ABLE. I THINK IT SHOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC LINK AND IDENTICAL. I KNOW IT'S NOT AND I UNDERSTAND THE POLITICAL REASONS WHY. I GET IT, I AM NEW TO THIS. HOWEVER, THE ECONOMICS DID TAKE TO ME FROM A BUSINESS PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE THAT THERE HASN'T BEEN AN INCREASE OF THIS BODY OF 2016-2017. I CANNOT IMAGINE ANY BUSINESSPERSON OUT HERE THAT IS NOT HAVE TO INCREASE THEIR PAYROLL TO REFLECT THE INCREASES IN COST-OF-LIVING SINCE THAT POINT. I AM NOT TALKING INCREASE IN PAY, SIMPLY COST-OF-LIVING ADJUSTMENT. NOT BE MADE RETROACTIVE BY TWO AFFECTIVE DOLLARS BACK IN 2016-2017. IF YOU LOOK AT THE EROSION OF THOSE DOLLARS IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT IS IN THIS PROPOSITION TONIGHT.

ALL IS BEING DONE IS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION PAY. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THE SUBJECTIVE OR OBJECTIVE REASONS. SIMPLY LOOK AT THE ECONOMICS AND IT IS REFLECTING THE INCREASE IN STEADY CITY PAY. I THINK THIS IS A NON-DISCUSSION POINT. I AM EMPATHETIC TO ALL THE DISCUSSION THAT HAS TAKEN PLACE TONIGHT, BUT COMMISSIONER GAINES, I'M BREAKING THIS OUT EVEN FURTHER INTO A VERY BASIC BUSINESS MODEL. CANDIDLY, THIS SHOULD BE DONE. THAT'S ALL I'VE

GOT ON. >> WHO WAS WILLING TO MAKE A

MOTION? >> I KNOW IT'S NOT A POPULAR MATTER, BUT I WILL STAND UP THERE AND TAKE THE HIT AND MAKE

THE MOTION TO APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> FOR THE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE? CALL THPLEASE.

[d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-051 amending Chapter 22, Article X Short Term and Vacation Rental Regulations to amend responsible person requirements and other minor revisions . FIRST READING]

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ORDINANCE 23-051, AN ORDINANCE TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA SENT FOR CHAPTER 22 ARTICLE 10 SHORT-TERM AND VACATION RENTAL REGULATIONS. DEFINITIONS TO DEFINE RESPONSIBLE PERSON. REMOVING SECTION 22-508 EXEMPTIONS FOR PRE-EXISTING RENTAL AGREEMENTS. AMENDING SECTION 22-509, MANAGEMENT COMPANY OR RESPONSIBLE PERSON. AMENDING SECTION 22-5012, APPLICATION FOR RENTAL UNIT REGISTRATION TO NO LONGER REQUIRE EMERGENCY CONTACT TO BE LOCAL. AMENDING SECTION 22-511 RENTAL UNIT ADVERTISING REQUIREMENT TO REQUIRE ALL CITY RECREATION NUMBERS IN ALL ADVERTISING.

RENEWAL OF RENTAL UNIT REGISTRATION TO REQUIRE REGISTRATION ANNUALLY ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE OF THE INITIAL REGISTRATION. AMENDING SECTION 22-515 LETTER A DENIAL AND REVOCATION OF REGISTRATION TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ABILITY LANGUAGE. ENFORCEMENT OF RENTAL UNITS TO REQUIRE NOTIFICATION TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE OF ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY. REPELLENT ALL ORDINANCES AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS

THE FIRST READING. >> ALRIGHTY.

>> THAT EVENING, LINDA IS GOING TO BE RESENTING THIS.

>> I CAME FOR BEFORE I GOT CALLED.

>> TEAM APPROACH. BASICALLY THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP TO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU ALL HAD DURING THE CONFERENCE AGENDA WHERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE RENTAL REGISTRATION FEES. ONE OF THE THINGS STAFF LOOK THAT AND YOU ALL ENCOURAGED US THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS IS TO CONTINUE REVIEWING THE ORDINANCE AND WHA IT MEANT AND THINGS THAT WE MAY NEED TO TWEAK ALONG THE WAY. WE DID DETERMINE THERE WAS NEVER AN OFFICIAL DEFINITION OF RESPONSIBLE PERSONS. THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN ADDED INTO THIS ORDINANCE. WE REMOVED THE SECTION FOR EXEMPTION FOR PRE-EXISTING RENTAL AGREEMENTS, JUST BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY TO TRY TO GET US THROUGH. IT WAS THE BRIDGE FROM THE OLD WAY TO THE NEW WAY. THAT IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT AND SUGGESTED IS THAT THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON, THE WAY THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY WRITTEN WAS REQUIRED TO RESIDE IN ST.

LUCIE COUNTY. AFTER OUR CONVERSATION AND'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS NO LONGER GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT. ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF YOU USE A RENTAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY THERE WAS NO REQUIREMENT FOR ANYBODY. WITH PHONES NOWADAYS MOST OF THESE THINGS CAN BE HANDLED OVER THE TELEPHONE AND THEY DON'T NEED TO PHYSICALLY VISIT THE SITE AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING. THIS ORDINANCE REMOVES THAT REQUIREMENT THAT THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON BE A ST.

LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENT AND ALLOWS THE OWNER TO SERVE AS THEIR OWN RESPONSIBLE PERSON. IT JUST CHANGES REFERENCES WITHIN THEIR FROM A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT NUMBER TO A REGISTRATION NUMBER, BECAUSE NOT ALL SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTALS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUSINESS TAX. THAT IS KIND OF IT. IT WAS MORE OF A CLEAN UP ONE IN. THE MAIN TAKE AWAY IS THE RESPONSIBLE PERSON NO LONGER IS REQUIRED TO BE A ST.

LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENT. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> BASICALLY THE CHANGES WE ARE MAKING WE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY WITH SOME EXPERIENCE NOW. IT WAS A BRAND-NEW ORDINANCE AND WE LEARN FROM IT. COMMISSIONER GAINES, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? THE ORDINANCE, BUT ARE WE BRINGING BACK THE FEE, THE

RENEWAL FEE OR WHAT FINALIZED? >> THAT WAS FINALIZED. I THINK IT'S $300 FOR INITIAL REGISTRATION.

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>> 350 AND 250. >> I AM SORRY, I DO NOT KNOW.

>> I DON'T PROCESS THE PAYMENT. I THINK IT'S $350 FOR THE

INITIAL PERIOD >> THE INITIAL REGISTRATION FEE IS $350. THERE WERE NO IS $200. THAT WAS DONE ON JUNE 20TH OF

THIS YEAR. >> THANK YOU.

>> THAT IS ALREADY SET. >> MADAM MAYOR, I THOUGHT IT WAS A DISCUSSION AND IT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK WHEN WE

DID THIS ORDINANCE. >> A CAME BACK AS A RESOLUTION.

THE FEES ARE SET BY RESOLUTIONS. THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN BACK AND WAS APPROVED. IT JUST TOOK US LONGER TO WRITE

THE ORDINANCE. >> OKAY.

>> I WAS INVOLVED IN THE SHORT TERM RENTAL COMMUNITY GROUP. AT THE TIME WHEN THAT WAS IN PROCESS WE KNEW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO COME BACK FOR EDITING. THE EDITS ARE NOT ON HERE TONIGHT EITHER. THIS IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUALLY EVOLVING SCENARIO. I EXPECT MORE IN THE FUTURE. I BELIEVE THE RESTRUCTURING OF THE FEES WAS APPROPRIATE. I THINK IT WAS A VERY PRUDENT MOVE. THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEING MADE TONIGHT I BELIEVE ARE ALSO APPROPRIATE. ONCE AGAIN, WE WILL BE REVISITING THIS PROBABLY ANNUALL. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE INDUSTRIES THAT IS STILL A GROWTH INDUSTRY. IT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND EVOLVE. I KNOW THAT PEGGY HAS HAD A VARIETY OF ISSUES ON HER END WITH THE SOFTWARE AND LIMITATION AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. IT IS STILL SORT OF IN A STATE OF MOTION. I CERTAINLY ADVOCATE THESE CHANGES AND RECOGNIZE THE FACT THERE WILL BE MANY MORE.

>> THERE WERE TWO RESOLUTIONS PASSED THAT NIGHT AND THEY BOTH

PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. >> ALL RIGHT.

I'VE GOT TO GO BACK AND GET MY NOTES. I REMEMBER ASKING.

>> I'M LOOKING AT THE MINUTES. FROM THE MINUTES THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA YOU DID VOTE NO ON THAT RESOLUTION.

>> WHAT WAS THAT RESOLUTION NUMBER?

>> 23-R.39. >> WE ARE DOING AN ORDINANCE NOW. THE FEE IS SET BY RESOLUTION. CAN WE SOMEHOW PUT IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE LOOK AT THE FEES YEARLY OR EVERY OTHER YEAR? I AM STILL CONCERNED ABOUT THE FEES THAT ARE RIGHT AROUND US. IF I REMEMBER I SAID $300 OR $250 AND EVERYONE LOOKED LIKE NO. I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE POLICY. CAN WE PUT IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT WE LOOK AT THE FEES YEARLY OR WHATEVER OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TO BRING UP AS A COMMISSIONER AND I THAT WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE FEES? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. I STILL THINK THEY ARE A LITTLE HIGH. I KNOW THAT I'M THE ODD ONE OUT, BUT I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW CAN MY TIE THE RESOLUTION BACK INTO THIS ORDINANCE IF POSSIBLE THAT WE DO A YEARLY EVALUATION ON IT?

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, YOU COULD INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT IF YOU CHOSE TO DO THAT. I WAS SUGGEST THE ISSUE WOULD BE YOU ARE THEN CREATING A POTENTIAL OF IF YOU MISS IF YOU ARE VIOLATING YOUR ORDINANCE. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT MAY BE EASIER FOR STAFF TO DO THAT ON A YEARLY BASIS IF THAT IS THE DESIRE. I THINK MR. MIMMS CAN HAVE STAFF DO THAT FOR YOU EACH

YEAR. >> MADAM ATTORNEY, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT SOMEWHERE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE US, BUT SOMEWHERE THESE FEES ARE REVIEWED EACH YEAR. AS YOU KNOW IT MIGHT BE TAKEN OUT OF OUR HANDS ANYWAY BECAUSE TALLAHASSEE IS TRYING TO TAKE THAT OUT OF OUR HANDS. I KNOW THERE FEE IF I CAN

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REMEMBER WAS ONE $50. >> I STARTED OUT AS $50 AND

THEY CHANGED IT TO $150. >> I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO, SINCE WE ARE MENDING THE ORNAMENTS, TO HAVE SOMETHING, I DON'T CARE IF IT IS THEFT, THEY REVIEW IT ANNUALLY TO MAKE THE DECISIONS TO SEE WHERE WE ARE. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE MAKING ANY MONEY ON THESE FEES.

WHATEVER THE ADMINISTRATION COST IS I FEEL THAT IS WHAT THE FEE SHOULD BE. I DON'T WANT TO TAX ANYBODY ELSE ON THESE FEES.

I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADD IT TO THE ORDINANCE,

JUST A ANNUAL REVIEW? >> I JUST THINK THE FACT THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING IT, WE DO IT ALL THE TIME. WE SAY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THIS ANNUALLY. THE FACT THAT WE ARE REQUESTING IT, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY,

MRS. COX OR MR. MIMMS. >> WE CAN DO IT. WE REVIEW BUSINESS TAX EVERY TWO YEARS. THE FED ALLOWS EVERY TWO YEARS.

>> COMMISSIONER, WE'VE HAD THIS IN OTHER ITEMS REGARDING THE STRUCTURES. IT'S A CHALLENGE TO TIE IT TO THE ORDINANCE.

>> WE PROBABLY WOULD VIOLATE IT OURSELVES. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO AND THEN WE WILL BE LIKE OH, NOW WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND I WAS A PROBLEM. WE TRIED TO CORRECT THAT OVER THE LAST FOR FIVE YEARS WITHOUT A DOUBT WHEN IT COMES TO THE MONETARY AND THE ORDINANCE VERSUS THE RESOLUTIONS.

RESOLUTIONS ARE VERY EASY TO AMEND, MODIFY OR DISCUSS. AT THIS POINT I THINK WE JUST RELY ON OUR CALENDARS. YOU HAVE TO PUT A REMINDER AND WE HAVE TO RELY ON STAFF. WE TASK THE CITY MANAGER PULLING UP THOSE ITEMS. HE'S DONE IN OTHER OCCASIONS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE EVEN BUILDING DEPARTMENT FEES, RENTAL RATES, DIFFERENT CONTRACTS. THOSE ARE

NOT EVIL, BUT COULD BE. >> I'VE GOT YOU.

>> MR. MIMMS . >> MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS, COMMISSIONER GAINES, IF NEEDED WE CAN DEFINITELY DO SO. WE CAN LOOK AT OUR EXPENDITURES AND HOW THE REVENUES ARE SUPPORTING THE OPERATION. WE CAN DO IT ANNUALLY AND WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO THIS BOARD THE RESOLUTION TO DETERMINE THE ACTUAL FEES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

>> I THINK THE PROGRAM SHOULD BE SELF-SUSTAINING, BUT ALSO FAIR TO THE COMMUNITY AND FAIR IN YOUR EYES AS WELL.

>> THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SHOOTING FOR.

>> THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. THAT WHATEVER WE ARE CHARGING THAT IT ISN'T SO. IT'S COMING BACK LEGISLATIVELY.

>> BUT THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. AND THEY ARE NOT EVEN USUALLY. WELL, I WILL SAY THAT. YOU CAN HAVE ONE SIZE FITS ALL.

>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THE CHANGES THAT ARE PROPOSED, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE ARE TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT. GOING BACK TO THE STATE, COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOUR BROTHER PICK UP POINT ABOUT THE FEE STRUCTURE AND WHAT THE ULTIMATE GOAL IS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THE TAXPAYERS AND THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT PAYING FOR SOMETHING THEY DIDN'T ASK TO BE IN. IF WE ARE TRYING TO COVER THE COST THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO COVER. THAT IS WHY DISAGREE WITH TALKING ABOUT IT EVERY SINGLE YEAR. THEY ARE JUST GOING TO MAKE A BLANK GREAT. I JUST DISAGREE ON THAT ASPECT.

AND THAT'S OKAY. THEY ARE IN TALLAHASSEE AND THEY TALK ABOUT IT. AND I GIVE THEM A CALL ABOUT IT. HERE WE ARE. I THINK WHAT WE HAVE PROPOSED IS MORE EFFICIENT.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, I AM SATISFIED WITH THE REVIEW THAT THE CITY MANAGER SAID HE WOULD DO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER MONIES WE ARE COLLECTING, THAT IT GOES TO THE COST OF GETTING THE LICENSE AND KEEPING IT GOING. AS LONG AS I

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GET AN A REVIEW I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

>> I WILL BE READY FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. IN ONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE, COME FORWARD.

SHORT-TERM RENTAL OWNER. I DISCUSSED IT EVEN MORE SO WITH THIS TOPIC, AS YOU ALL KNOW. YOU GUYS MADE US GO THROUGH QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS, JUMPING THROUGH EVERY WHO, PAY $350, NOT TO MENTION ALL THE OTHER EXPENSES WE INCUR TO GET TO THE HOOPS THAT YOU GUYS CREATED AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WANT TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE PUTTING YOURSELF UP FOR A LAWSUIT BECAUSE YOU GUYS WERE LIMITING INDIAN RIVER, YOU ARE VIOLATING PROPERTY RIGHTS. YOU GUYS DON'T CARE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ONLY ONE PERSON DOES RENTALS ON THIS COMMISSION. REGARDLESS, YOU GUYS ARE VIOLATING OUR RIGHTS AND CONTINUE TO DO SO. YOU GUYS ARE SETTING THE CITY FOR MASSIVE LAWSUIT. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CAN GET IT TOGETHER. YOU PUT ALL THIS MONEY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS IN A GENERAL FUND YET YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SPENT. SHE HAS NO CLUE. SHE CANNOT WORK THE SOFTWARE THAT YOU GUYS SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN INVASION OF SOME OF OUR PRIVACY AND A VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. YOU HAVE A SPY DEPARTMENT? THIS IS WHY YOU GUYS RUN EVERY SINGLE BUSINESS OUT OF HERE. YOU DID IT WITH THE SCOOTERS, YOU ARE TRYING TO DO WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PEOPLE. OUT OF THE ORIGINAL PEOPLE WHO WENT THROUGH QUASI JUDICIAL I AM ONE OF THE LAST STANDING. YOU GUYS HAVE PUSHED EVERYBODY OUT. HE WILL HAVE LEFT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH FOR PEERS. YOU MADE IT INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT. WE BRING THE MONEY IN FOR THE RESTAURANTS, FOR THE KAYAK PEOPLE. YOU NAME IT, WE ARE BRINGING THE MONEY IN. SOME OF US ACTUALLY HELP THE COMMUNITY. WE USE OUR UNIT TO HELP CANCER SURVIVORS OR WHOMEVER WE ARE HELPING OUT OF OUR GOODWILL. YOU GUYS CONTINUE TO TAX US, WHICH IS UNLAWFUL.

YOU DIDN'T EVEN BRING UP THE FACT THAT YOU RAISE THE BTR.

WHAT GAVE YOU THE RIGHT? NOBODY WANTS TO ANSWER THAT. YOU LOWERED ONE AND YOU RAISE THE OTHER. SO WHAT ARE YOU DOING.

YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU ARE BEING GOOD AND LOWERING THE PRICES YET YOUR RAISING THE BTR? I WASN'T BORN YESTERDAY.

AND FOUR OF THE FIVE OF YOU DON'T WANT TO MEET. HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GET EVERYTHING DONE? YOU WANT TO RUN THE REST OF US OUT? GET READY FOR A LAWSUIT.

>> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE, COME FORWARD. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A DISCUSSION OR EMOTION.

>> I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 23-051.

>> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[e. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 23-052: Review and approval of an ordinance extending the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include one (1) parcel at or near approximately Avenue Q in Fort Pierce, Florida. The parcel ID is 2405-501-0131-000-4. FIRST READING]

23-052 AN ORDINANCE EXTENDING THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO IN ONE PARCEL AT OR NEAR AVENUE Q AND SHOWN ON EXHIBIT A DIRECTING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO ASSESSED THAT PROPERTY AND PLACE ON THE CITY TAX ROLLS AS OF JANUARY FIRST 2024 DIRECTING THE TAXPAYER TO COLLECT TAXES.

ESTABLISHED THE DESIGNATION OF SINGLE-FAMILY LOW-DENSITY LAND USE DESIGNATION OF LOW-DENSITY. DIRECTING REVISION OF ARTICLE TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND FERMENTED TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE. AND PROVIDING FOR AN PROSPECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

>> THAT EVENING. TODAY I BRING BEFORE YOU AN ANNEXATION FIRST READING AT OR NEAR AVENUE Q. THE APPLICANT PROPERTY OWNERS PARTIAL ID 2405-501-0131-000-4. IN SUMMARY THERE IS A

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VOLUNTEER APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION FOR ONE PARCEL. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING AN ANNEXATION. THE PROPERTY HAS A FEATURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL URBAN FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND A ZONING DESIGNATION OF RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY FOR DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF LOW-DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL RL WITH A ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF SINGLE-FAMILY LOW-DENSITY R.1. THE CURRENT VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS $25,000. PURSUANT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY 11.5 THE PROPERTY IS CONTINGENT TO A MUNICIPALITY AND REGIONAL COMPACT AND THE ANNEXATION WILL NOT RESULT IN CREATION OF AN ENCLAVE. HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PROPERTY. THE SIDE AREA IS THE PROPER -- -- APPROXIMATELY .22 ACRES. THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE ZONING AS PROPOSED THE ANNEXATION MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SPECIFICALLY POLICY SECTION 1.11 REGARDING ANNEXATIONS. PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION AND AT THE AUGUST 14TH MEETING THE BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION. POSSIBLE ACTION IS TO APPROVE OR RECOMMEND THIS APPROVAL FOR THE PROPOSED

ANNEXATION. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

>> THE CURRENT ZONING IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL OR HIGHER DENSITY RESOLUTION. IS THAT WHAT I SAW? AND WE ARE PROPOSING A LOW-DENSITY CONVERSION AS WE ARE LOOKING AT

A SINGLE-FAMILY LOT? >> CORRECT.

>> AND I THOUGHT OTHER PARCELS WERE DEVELOPED AROUND IT. IT

MAKES SENSE. >> IT IS AN EMPTY LOT, CORRECT.

A PUBLIC HEARING, ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE, COME FO. SEEING NO MOVEMENT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. THIS IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[a. Resolution 23-R47 Order and appeal of Special Magistrate Order on Case No. 96-6085 Code Enforcement Lien for property located at 909 N 13th Street.]

RESOLUTION 23-R47 ISSUING AN ORDER OF FINDINGS FOR THE APPEAL OF A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE DECISION ENTERED ON JUNE 27 2023 FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AND I DON'T NOT NORTH 14TH STREET FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. PROVIDING FOR APPEAL, NOTICE TO ALL PARTIES AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THIS IS AN APPEAL HEARING PROCEDURE. THIS IS SOMETHING UNUSUAL FOR US. I AM GOING TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO

EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURES. >> THIS IS AN APPEAL HEARING.

CERTAIN PROCEDURES MUST BE FOLLOWED. FORMAL RULES ARE NOT REQUIRED, FUNDAMENTAL DUE PROCESS SHALL BE RECORDED. ALL RULINGS MUST BE MADE UPON THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED IN THE RECORD. TONIGHT'S HEARING IS NOT EVIDENT SHE HARRY, MEANING NEW EVIDENCE SHALL NOT BE PRESENTED. TONIGHT'S HEARING IS LIMITED TO ARGUMENT AS TO WHETHER THE HEARING SHOULD BE AFFIRMED OR REVERSE. THE STANDARD OF PROOF FOR TONIGHT'S HEARING IS THERE FOR COMPETENT EVIDENCE OBTAINED IN THE RECORD PROVIDED IN THE ORAL ARGUMENTS OF THE APPELLANT AND STAFF.

SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS EVIDENCE WHICH WILL ESTABLISH A SUBSTANTIAL BASIS FROM WHICH THE FACT AT ISSUE CAN REASONABLY BE INFERRED. IT INCLUDES FACT OR OPINION EVIDENCE OFFERED BY AN EXPERT ON THE MATTER THAT REQUIRES SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE AND IS RELEVANT TO THE ISSUES TO BE DECIDED. IT IS EVIDENCE A REASONABLE MIND COULD EXPECT AS HAVING PROBATIVE WEIGHT AND SUPPORTING LEGAL CONCLUSION.

HYPOTHETICAL, SPECULATIVE, FEAR OR EMOTIONAL BASED STATEMENTS THAT DO NOT ADDRESS THE RELEVANT ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE REASONABLY SAID TO THE WITH THE ACTION ADVOCATED ARE NOT

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COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. BOTH THE APPELLANT AND STAFF WILL HAVE 20 MINUTES EACH TO MAKE AN ORAL PRESENTATION AND PRESENT ARGUMENT. NO ADDITIONAL WITNESSES, EXHIBITS OR EVIDENCE MAY BE INTRODUCED. THE ARGUMENT SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE APPEAL RECORD AN ITEM SUBMITTED TO THE CITY CLERK ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. THE APPELLANT WILL GO FIRST AND HAS THE OPTION TO RESERVE A SPECIFIED AMOUNT OF TIME FOR REBUTTAL. AFTER BOTH THE APPELLANT'S PRESENTATION AND STAFF PRESENTATION COMMISSIONERS MATH QUESTIONS THE BEACH WITH NO TIME LIMIT.

AT THE CONCLUSION OF ALL ARGUMENTS AND QUESTIONS THE CITY COMMISSION WILL CONDUCT OPEN DELIBERATIONS. AFTER DELIBERATIONS A VOTE SHALL BE TAKEN TO AFFIRM OR REVERSE THE DECISION TO THE APPROPRIATE RESOLUTION.

>> AT THIS TIME AND THE X PARTAKE COMMUNICATIONS SHOULD BE DISCLOSED BY EACH MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION AS WELL AS ANY INVESTIGATION OR SITE VISITS THAT HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED OR ANY EXPERT OPINIONS RECEIVED. MADAM CLARK, WILL YOU ASK THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT X PARTAKE?

>> YES. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> NINE.

>> COMMISSIONER GAMES? >> NO COMMUNICATION. I KNOW

THE LOCATION IS. >> COMMISSIONER JONATHA?

>> NO INFORMATION, NO CONTACT.

>> MIR-? >> NONE.

>> WE HAVE THE APPELLANT AT THE PODIUM. WE HAVE THE STAFF PERSON AT THE TABLE. YOU NEED TO SWEAR IN THESE TWO.

>> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH

AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES.

>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE UP TO 20 MINUTES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE 20 MINUTES FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> JEROME BRYANT. 2313 SOUTHEAST SAFFI TERRACE .

>> MATTA MAYOR? >> YES.

>> WE DO NEED TO ASK IF HE WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE IN REBUTTAL TIME SO ESSENTIALLY IF HE RESERVES FIVE MINUTES THAT WILL GIVE HIM FIVE MINUTES AFTER STAFF PRESENTS TO MAKE A

SECOND ARGUMENT. >> OF THIS PARTICULAR POINT I'M GOING TO ASK WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESERVE REBUTTAL TIME?

>> NO. >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO. JUST IN CASE. UP TO FIVE MINUTES. YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT.

>> ALL RIGHT. NOW HE CAN PROCEED?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THIS IS YOUR CHANCE.

>> I'LL GIVE YOU THE SHORT AND SWEET OF EVERYTHING. I AM THE FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE LOVE CENTER. WE STARTED IN 1995 TAKING OWNERSHIP AROUND OCTOBER 1995. IT WAS OWNERSHIP OF BAKER DIXON. DIXON TRANSFER TITLE TO US A FEW MONTHS AFTER. WHAT I DISCOVERED AFTER 28 YEARS OF BEING IN OPERATION IF THERE WAS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS NEVER SEEN BECAUSE YOU YOURSELVES AS A CITY HELPED US TO BUILD THE LOVE CENTER.

TRANSACTIONS WITH WITH HARPER FEDERAL BANK. I HAVE THREE GREAT LAWYERS ON MY BOARD. WE HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF TRANSACTIONS WITH LAWYERS WITH DOCUMENTATION THAT DEALT WITH THE TITLE AND WE NEVER SAW THE LIEN IN 28 YEARS. PROPERTY WAS DONATED TO US FOUR YEARS AGO. IN JANUARY WE SOLD THE PROPERTY AND FIRST AMERICAN TITLE DID THE SEARCH. THERE WERE NO LIENS SHOWING AT THE TIME PRIOR. YEARS AGO THERE WAS A DISCOVERY. I CAUGHT THE CITY AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT WAS A LIEN. I WENT TO DISCUSS AND OF COURSE THERE WAS GRAFFITI PLACED ON THE BUILDING DURING THE TIME OF THE TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP FROM THE LOVE CENTER, FROM BAKER DIXON TO THE LOVE

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CENTER. GRAFFITI WAS PLACED ON THE BUILDING YEARS AGO. I WAS PERSONALLY INVOLVED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE LOVE CENTER.

BEFORE WE TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE PLACE ST. PAUL MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF BERNARD LIMIT WE WENT A PAYMENT THE BUILDING. THE CITY CAME ON BOARD WITH US TO DO THE RENOVATIONS. AS FAST AS WE WERE PAYING THEY WILL PUT MORE GRAFFITI ON THE BUILDINGS. TO FIGURE OUT IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR THERE HAVE BEEN LIENS FOR 28 YEARS THAT WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT. I'M NOT IN DENIAL. I'M SIMPLY SAYING NO ONE ON MY BOARD OUT OF THREE LAWYERS AND ALL THE TRANSACTIONS EVER SAW IT. IT WAS $25,000. THE MAGISTRATE WORKED WITH US TO GET IT DOWN TO $5000. I AM HERE TONIGHT JUST AFTER IF THEY COULD HELP US REDUCE IT. I WILL PAY SOMETHING, BUT ONCE AGAIN, WE WERE NEVER KNOWLEDGEABLE OF ANY LEAVE ON OUR PROPERTY OR WE WOULD'VE PAID 20 YEARS AGO. WE KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT. IT WAS OVERLOOKED BY LAWYERS AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THE TITLE COMPANIES WHO DID THE TRANSACTION INTO THOUSAND SIX. ALL OF THE LAWYERS OVERLOOKED IT. NOBODY SAW IT. I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LAW. I'M JUST DOING WHAT I DO. I'M NOT HERE TO BLAME ANYBODY, WE JUST

DID NOT SEE IT. >> MATTA MAYOR, DO WE GET TO

ASK QUESTIONS? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> YOU INDICATED YOU PURCHASED THE COMPANY IN 2008. WE DIDN'T FIND THE CLOUDS UNTIL THEN. YOU HAVE TITLE INSURANCE. TITLE INSURANCE IS THERE TO PROTECT ISSUES SPECIFICALLY SUCH AS THIS. POST CLOSING IF THE TITLE COMPANY DID NOT DETERMINE THERE WAS A LIEN THAN THE TITLE INSURANCE CAN COME AT THE PLACE. HAVE YOU INVESTIGATED THAT AS A WAY TO MAKE A CLAIM

AGAINST YOUR CARRIER? >> YES. THE TITLE COMPANY PRIOR TO IT BY YEARS AGO THERE WAS NOTHING SHOWING.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT IS WHY THEY GAVE YOU A CLEAR TITLE TO CLOSE. YOU HAVE A TITLE INSURANCE POLICY TO MAKE UP FOR THESE ERRORS. IF THEY DID NOT PICK UP ON THIS MY QUESTION COMES DOWN TO IN MY OPINION, AND I'M NOT GIVING A LEGAL OPINION, THAT TITLE INSURANCE POLICY THAT YOU PAID FOR AT THE TIME OF CLOSING, THAT IS WHAT THAT IS GEARED TO DO, TO PICK UP THESE MISTAKES AND CHAIN OF TITLE THAT IS NOW CONFRONTING YOU WITH A $5000 PENALTY. HAVE YOU MADE A CLAIM AGAINST HER TITLE INSURANCE POLICY TO SEE IF THEY ARE GOING TO PAY OUT?

>> IN 2008 THE TITLE COMPANY STATED THERE WERE NO LIENS.

>> THAT IS WHAT I'M GETTING AT. YOU HAVE A TITLE INSURANCE POLICY ISSUED AT THE TIME OF CLOSING THERE TO ENSURE THE

VALIDITY OF YOUR TITLE. >> ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I HAVE

NOT. >> THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO GET TO. THANK YOU.

APPELLANT DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ARGUMENT WAS BEFORE WE MOVED TO

THE NEXT STEP. >> THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME.

THIS IS A SEIZURE. ] -- THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME.

>> RIGHT AROUND THAT TIME WITH ALL OF THE DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS I WAS HIRED AS A CONSULTANT AS WE COMBATED THE GANG VIOLENCE. ONE OF MY MEN WAS SHOT DOWN ON THE PROPERTY DURING THE SAME TIME WHILE WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD THE LOVE CENTER . WE PAINTED IT

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AS FAST AS WE COULD PAINT OVER THE STUFF. I'M NOT HERE TO DENY ANYTHING. ALL I'M SAYING IS GIVE US A LITTLE GRACE. IF IT'S FIVE THOUSAND TONIGHT I'LL PAY 2500, I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING. I PUT MY LIFE ON THE LAWN FOR 30 YEARS. I HOPE SOME VALUE IS PUT INTO THAT. THIS HAPPENED IN OCTOBER WHILE I WAS DODGING BULLETS. I OVERLOOKED IT.

>> MATTA MAYOR, JUST SO I'M CLEAR WHEN WAS THE LIEN PLACED?

AROUND OCTOBER. >> SO OCTOBER OF WHAT YEAR?

>> 1995. >> SO BEFORE YOU TOOK THE

SESSION. >> RIGHT AROUND THE SAME TIME.

I SMILED WHEN I SAW WHEN IT WAS PLACED, RIGHT AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS CHANGING HANDS. THE DIXONS COULD'VE OVERLOOKED IT.

WE DEFINITELY OVERLOOKED IT. WE HAD A LOT GOING ON.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR THE TITLE COMPANY THAT EXECUTED YOUR CONTRACT TO TRANSFER TITLE, WHAT WAS THE COMPANY?

>> ATTORNEY BILL RIX. HE IS A REAL ESTATE LAWYER WHO DID

TITLE INSURANCE. >> OKAY. I'VE GOT YOU.

>> IF HE STILL PRACTICING? >> I THINK BILL HAS RETIRED TO VERO BEACH. I WILL PULL THEM OUT OF RETIREMENT. I'LL PAY THE

MONEY BEFORE DOING THAT. >> I AM LOOKING THROUGH THE PAPERWORK PROVIDED. I AM GOING TO HEAR FROM STAFF IN A FEW MINUTES. WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION. WHAT DATE DID YOU GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE? DO YOU REMEMBER? WHAT'S RECENT?

>> YES. >> BACK IN MARCH 2023 YOU SIGNED A DOCUMENT THAT SAID AMOUNT OFFERED, IS THAT YOU WILL BE WILLING TO PAY $10,000. WHY HAS THAT CHANGED?

>> I DON'T REMEMBER SIGNING THAT DOCUMENT.

>> 3/29/23 AND I SEE A SIGNATURE.

>> IT IS NOT MINE. I AGREE VERBALLY TO PAY THE $5000.

SOMETHING HAPPEN WHERE THEY TOOK ME BACK TO THE MEETING AGAIN ABOUT A MONTH AND A HALF AGO.

>> JUST SO YOU KNOW, I SEE TWO DIFFERENT DOCUMENTS IN MY PACKET WITH YOUR NAME AND TWO SIGNATURES THAT LOOK EXACTLY

THE SAME. >> IT HAS TO BE A MAJOR MISTAKE. THEY CANCELED THE HEARING AND DID ANOTHER HEARING

A MONTH AND A HALF AGO. >> REMEMBER, THIS IS APPLICATION REDUCTION OF LEAN APPLICATION. YOU ARE REQUESTING FROM THE CITY AND YOU ARE SAYING I OFFER THIS MUCH IN LIEU OF $25,000. I HAVE A SIGNATURE PAGE ATTACHED. AND THAT'S OKAY, WHATEVER STEPS WERE TAKEN AFTER.

>> I AM NOT CLEAR. I KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY I WAS NOT

TOLD TO PAY 10,000. >> SO YOU WENT TO A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND YOU PLAN YOUR CASE. THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE THAT I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR AND I WILL REDUCE IT DOWN TO

$5000. IS THAT ACCURATE? >> YES, SIR.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THAT ALL YOU HAVE TO SAY?

>> I AM DONE. >> WE RESERVED REBUTTAL TIME OF TWO MINUTES IF YOU WANT IT. I AM OFFERING THAT TO YOU. YOU CAN HAVE A C OR YOU CAN STAND, WHATEVER YOU WANT. NOW IT IS TIME FOR STAFF. YOU HAVE UP TO 20 MINUTES.

>> THAT EVENING, I WANT TO START WITH THE FACTS.

>> I WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD THAT BOTH WERE SWORN IN. I

FORGOT TO ASK YOU TO SAY THAT. >> THIS IS THE FIRST APPEAL OF A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE UNDER OUR NEW RULES OF PROCEDURE WHERE WE ARE HANDLING THE REDUCTIONS IN A DIFFERENT WAY. THEY USED TO,

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THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE REDONE THE RULES. WE ARE STILL LEARNING AND TRIPPING OVER A COUPLE OF STEPS. THIS IS WHY COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, STAFF AT THAT $10,000 IN THERE. IF YOU READ THE SECOND PAGE THE CHECK BOX IF HE REQUESTED A HEARING FRONT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. HE DID NOT AGREE.

THAT IS A STEP WE HAVE NOW FIX. IT IS CONSIDERED A FAST-TRACK AMOUNT. ON THE SECOND PAGE HE DID CHECK THE BOX AND DID NOT AGREE. SOME OF THESE ARE LITTLE STEPS ALMOST LIKE THE ORDINANCE THAT WE MADE EARLIER WHERE WE WERE LIVING THROUGH AND WE WERE REALIZING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEEDED TO CORRECT.

REGARDING, I DO WANT TO BRING UP A FEW PAGES THAT WILL HELP EXPLAIN SOME OF THE ISSUES. MR. RYAN MENTIONED IT WENT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TWICE. WE HAVE A HEARING IN FRONT OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. WITH THE NO RULES THERE WAS A STEP THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO TAKE WE BROUGHT IT BACK FOR A SECOND HEARING JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DID ADDRESS ALL OF THE ITEMS IN THE RULES AND PROCEDURES. NOTHING HAS CHANGED IT SAYS THAT WE MAY SURE WE COVERED ALL STEPS. I WANT TO BRING UP THE PROPERTY CARD. THIS IS THE PROPERTY CARD FOR THE PROPERTY WHERE THE LIEN WAS ASSESSED. THE DATE IS 2009. IN 2009 THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WAS IN THE NAME OF JEAN BAPTIST. THIS IS WHERE THE CONFUSION IS COMING IN. THE SECTION IN YELLOW IS THE LOVE CENTER. THIS IS WHAT MR. BRYANT WAS DEEDED ENTITLED BACK IN 95 AND 96. THE TITLE SEARCH WAS DONE IN 2008. THAT IS ON THE PROPERTY IN YELLOW. THE PROPERTY THAT IS UNDER APPEAL TONIGHT IF THIS ONE IN PINK, WHICH DID NOT GET TRANSFERRED DURING THE BEGINNING TRANSFER OF DEED. HOW AND WHY I CANNOT ANSWER. ALL I KNOW IS THAT THIS PARCEL, NUMBER 18 WAS NOT A PART OF THE LOVE CENTER BACK WHEN ALL OF THE TITLE SEARCH AND TITLE WORK WAS DONE. THIS WAS TRANSFERRED UNDER A WARRANTY DEED. HOW AND WHY THAT HAPPENED WITHOUT A TITLE SEARCH FOR TITLE INSURANCE I CANNOT SAY. THIS PROPERTY, NUMBER 18, IN 2009 WAS TITLED TO MR. JEAN BAPTIST. THE LIEN ITSELF WAS ENTERED IN 2009. I AM SORRY, 2010. IT IS IN THE PAPERWORK ABOUT IT TO YOU. IT WAS RECORDED IN JULY 2010. AGAIN, AN ITEM THAT CAME TO LIGHT FOR AN ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENED AFTER THE TITLE SEARCH AND TITLE WORK WERE ALL DONE. REGARDING THE PROCESS AND WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY, WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE POLICY WITH A FAST-TRACK THEY GIVE STAFF THE ABILITY TO REDUCE. AND AGAIN, IF YOU SEE THE ZONING, IT WAS COMMERCIAL. OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR REDUCING AND LIEN IS BASED ON IT PROPERTIES ARE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL. AS A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY I HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE ABILITY TO REDUCE A LEAN TO $10,000. WHICH IS WHERE THE $10,000 CAME FROM ON THE PAPERWORK. TO GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION LOWER THAN THAT WE USUALLY HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF JUSTIFICATION. IN THIS CASE I DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO GO ON. IT WAS A WARRANTY DEED. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TITLE SEARCHES DONE. I DIDN'T HAVE A LOT TO GO ON. WE PRESENTED TO SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. SHE HER BOTH SIDES AND DID REDUCE IT TO $5000 WITH 24 MONTHS TO PAY. THAT IS THE APPEAL THAT IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU TODAY. FROM THE FAST POINT OF VIEW THIS AS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO THE FAST TRACK. THE APPLICANT DID NOT WISH TO DO THAT. IT WENT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE SHE REDUCED IT TO

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THE $5000 BASED ON HER CONSIDERATION. OF THE CRITERIA, THE STEP THAT WE MISSED AND HAD TO REDO. MR. BRYANT HAS THE RIGHT TO REQUEST A LARGER REDUCTION FROM THE COMMISSION.

HIGHLIGHT IN YELLOW AND PINK. THAT WAS VERY TELLING FOR ME. I GET IT. THIS ENTIRE PARCEL IS CONSIDERED THE LOVE CENTER AND UNDER THE INITIAL UNDERSTANDING MR. BRYANT THOUGHT WHEN HE GOT THIS IT WAS A CLEAR TITLE. OBVIOUSLY THEY SEARCHED THE BIG YELLOW AREA. THE PINK AREA WAS, REMIND ME NOW, THAT IS A VACANT

STRUCTURE? >> WELL NOW IT IS ENCOMPASS.

>> BUT TECHNICALLY IT IS VACANT LAND. THERE ARE BUILDINGS INSIDE OF THIS YELLOW BOX THAT ARE THERE, BUT WHAT I SEE IT LOOKS LIKE A VACANT PARCEL ADJACENT TO THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE, RIGHT? YOU ARE TELLING US THAT WAS OVERLOOKED OR MISSED WHEN I BROUGHT IT BACK. IT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE ENTIRE BACK AT THE CLEAR TITLE, RIGHT?

>> THERE WAS A STRUCTURE ON IT BACK IN 96-97. IT WAS DEMOLISHED AND NOW THERE IS NOTHING THERE.

>> IT AMASSED $25,000 IN FEES, WE GOT IT DOWN TO $5000. I AM ASSUMING THAT WITH SOME OF THE PROCESS OF WHATEVER IT WAS, IT AMASSED SOME FEES. APPARENTLY

>> WERE PART OF THOSE BEING ASSESSED TO DEMOLISH THE

STRUCTURE? >> BECAUSE THIS IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT LIEN THIS IS A DAILY FINE. IT IS WHAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE DEATH CONSIDER. WHEN WE CONSIDER THE ADMINISTRATION CHARGES AND I DO THE PACKET FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE THERE ARE BASIC COST WHICH ARE YOUR MAILINGS, YOUR PHOTOGRAPHS, ETC. HOW LONG THE CASE WAS PROCESSED FOR. YOU ARE HEARING CHARGES INCLUDING THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING.

THIS IS WHAT WE PUT TOGETHER AS FAR AS AN ADMINISTRATION OF THE

FILE. >> I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR WITH THAT VERSUS WHAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CAME DOWN TO. AND WE HAVE AN APPEAL BASED ON THE APPLICANT HAS COME IN.

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. I COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW THAT PARCEL WAS MISSED. AND THAT BELONG TO JEAN BAPTIST . HE PROBABLY HAD IT DOES MY AMASSED THESE CODE VIOLATIONS. THERE WAS NOTHING THERE NOW IS A BIG YELLOW BLOCK AND YOU ARE TRANSFERRING OVER TO THE APPLICANT.

>> I BELIEVE IT WAS A TRANSFER FROM THE DIXONS SOMEHOW TO JEAN BAPTIST. THE WHOLE SECTION WAS OWNED BY THE DIXONS AT SOME TIME. FOR SOME REASON THAT PARCEL DID NOT GO WITH ALL THE REST AND WENT WITH SOMEONE ELSE.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? THE CERTIFIED MAIL, WHERE DID THAT

GO TO? >> THESE WERE THE HEARING NOTICES. THERE ARE ONLY TWO RIGHT NOW.

>> WHAT WERE THE FIVE? >> THEY WILL BE THE LETTERS MY

STAFF SENDS. >> WHERE THEY HAVE GONE TO THE

LOVE CENTER OR MR. BAPTISTE? >> WE PUT THIS PACKET TOGETHER I USE THE CURRENT LETTERS THAT WERE IN THE FILE. YOU CAN SEE

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THE FILE IS FAIRLY LARGE. WE DID NOT GO BACK THROUGH ALL OF THAT. I CANNOT ATTEST TO EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED BACK IN THE 90S. I CHOSE NOT TO INCLUDE ALL OF THAT. I CANNOT SAY THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. I CAN ONLY SAY FROM 2006 FORWARD.

>> FROM 2006 FORWARD WAS THERE ANY WAY FOR MR. BRYANT TO KNOW

ABOUT THIS? >> SOMEHOW THE TITLE WAS TRANSFERRED AND IN THAT PROCESS I CANNOT SPEAK TO HOW IT HAPPENED. IT WAS THREE WARRANTY DEED.

>> WHAT YEAR? DO YOU KNOW?

CONFUSION? >> I CAN FIND IT OUT LATER WHEN

YOU DO YOUR REBUTTAL. >> IT'S ALL RIGHT. AND YOUR REBUTTAL YOU CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU, PEGGY. ANY OTHER

QUESTIONS? >> AS WE SIT HERE TODAY I KNOW YOU SAID BEFORE 2006 YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. WE DON'T KNOW IF MR. BRYANT GOT ANY LETTERS OR NOTIFICATIONS THAT

THERE WAS A LEAN? >> I CAN TELL YOU THAT HE DID NOT BECAUSE HE DID NOT OWN IT. IN 2009 IT WAS STILL IN THE NAME OF JEAN BAPTIST. THE NOTICE IS THAT I HAVE WENT TO

JEAN BAPTIST. >> WHEN THE MR. BRIAN FIRST GET KNOWLEDGE THERE WAS A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY?

>> I BELIEVE JUST RECENTLY, WHICH IS WHAT HE TESTIFIED TO.

DOCUMENTATION TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE CONSIDER HOT COSTS. AS A COMMISSION WE TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME. YOU HAVE A FORMANT BE STRUCTURE. IN THE HEARING, WITHOUT GOING BACK AND WATCHING THE VIDEO, WHAT WAS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR WAS THERE AN RECOMMENDATION FOR PROVIDING EVIDENCE?

>> OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE FAST-TRACK AMOUNT. UNLESS WE HAVE JUSTIFICATION AND A REASON TO DO IT BELOW 10,000, OTHERWISE THE GHOST OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. I PRESENT THE FACTS AND SHE MAKES A DECISION.

>> IN THE DESTRUCTION THAT IS ESTABLISHED TO TALK ABOUT 2006.

BECAUSE THAT IS THE YEAR THAT I STARTED.

>> THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S HER BASELINE. 2006, CAN WE JUSTIFY OUTSIDE OF THIS PIECE OF PAPER THAT THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND/OR THE CITY, HAVE WE EXPENDED ANY MONEY TOWARDS THIS PROPERTY TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE?

>> NO, NOT SINCE THEN. OTHER THAN THE CHARGES LISTED, THE VIOLATIONS WERE COMPLIED. THE LIEN WAS FILED AND IT

ESSENTIALLY SAT AS A FILE. >> THANK YOU.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. REBUTTAL TIME.

>> THIS IS 1.25 ACRES OF LAND THAT WAS A BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY. THE DIXONS OWNED SEVEN BUILDINGS AND THE REDDING FAMILY OWNED ONE BUILDING. THE DIXONS AND THAT WAS SEVEN BUILDINGS SURROUNDING HER PROPERTY AND SHE WAS THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY IN THE CENTER OF HER PROPERTY. WHEN I GOT THE SEVEN BUILDINGS THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED. AFTER A NUMBER OF

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YEARS WITH ONLY GOT JEAN BAPTIST TO SELL THE LAND . HE SOLD US THE BUILDING AND WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A BUILDING OWNED BY COMMON GROUND. WE DID A TRADE. THE BUILDING WAS NOW GONE. NO MORE GRAFFITI. HE TORE DOWN. WE JUST GOT WRONG LAND. I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE OVERSIGHT TOOK PLACE.

>> ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO SAY?

>> THAT FALL I GOT. >> YOU GAVE US THE HISTORY, SO WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS ACQUIRED WAS THERE A STRUCTURE OR NO?

>> KNOW, HE HAD ALREADY PUSHED IT DOWN. IT WAS VACANT LAND.

>> ANYBODY ELSE NEED ANY MORE INFORMATION? DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANT TO SAY? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW, WHAT WE HAVE, ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM STAFF FOR CLOSING THIS OUT? OKAY. NOW IT IS COMING BACK TO THE

COMMISSION. >> MADAM MAYOR, COULD YOU PUT UP THE FORM DOCUMENT THAT WE USE FOR CALCULATIONS? COMMISSIONERS, JUST HEARING WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH ADJUSTING THIS MATTER FROM $5000 TO 1700 BECAUSE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE, TIME AGAIN WHEN WE HEAR SUCH CASES. THAT IS JUST MY RECOMMENDATION.

>> IS THERE ANY DISAGREEMENT? >> I DISAGREE. I THINK THAT WE SHOULD WAIVE THIS WHOLE SITUATION. EVEN ON THE 1735 THIS WAS GENERATED RECENTLY TO GET HIM IN COURT. CORRECT? THESE FIVE LETTERS FIRST CLASS MAIL, ALL OF THESE WENT TO MR. RYAN THIS YEAR OR CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN THESE FIVE REGULAR

MAILERS WENT OUT? >> YES, AND NO. THE LETTERS ALSO INCLUDED THE LETTERS TO JEAN BAPTIST. THE LETTERS WERE FOR JEAN BAPTIST . IT WAS WHAT WITH HIM.

>> SO BASICALLY WE HAVE $1735.25 IN HARD COSTS. WE ARE ASKING MR. RYAN TO PAY THAT BASED ON LETTERS SENT TO JEAN

BAPTIST? >> YES, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT

YOU'RE ASKING. >> THAT IS MY ISSUE. HE GOT THE NOTICE AND ASKED FOR A HEARING. WAS HE THE ONLY PERSON AT THE HEARING? THEY ASKED FOR A SPECIAL HEARING?

>> IT WAS A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING.

>> I CANNOT JUSTIFY THESE COST WHEN THESE LETTERS DID NOT GO

TO MR. RYAN. >> QUESTION. I AM UNCLEAR, THE HEARING WAS DONE, THE LETTERS WENT OUT AND I HEAR YOUR POINT TO MR. BAPTIST. BUT THERE WAS A SPECIAL HEARING AND HE DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR THAT, CORRECT. I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH THESE

COSTS TO UNDERSTAND. >> THERE ARE THREE HEARINGS OVER THE YEARS. THESE REQUESTS DO GO BACK IN TIME. THEY DON'T GO BACK TO 1996, THEY DO GO BACK IN TIME. THERE WAS ACTUALLY A COLD HEARING AT THE BEGINNING. THERE WAS A LEAN REDUCTION HEARING AGAIN. AND THEN THERE WERE THREE HEARINGS OVER THE TIME. I HAVE THEM MARKED HERE. THERE WAS ONE VIOLATION. THERE WAS A MASSEY HEARING WHICH IS WHEN THE LIEN WAS PROPOSE. IT IS A MIXTURE OF WHO OWNED IT OVER THE YEARS.

>> I UNDERSTAND. IT IS NOT JUST HIM.

>> IT IS NOT JUST RYAN. >> RIGHT, AND I GET THE

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ADMINISTRATION OF THE CASE. I GUESS I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE HARD COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXECUTION. I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1750. I AM CLEAR THAT IT IS NOT THE $5000 RANGE. IT IS WHAT I CAN FIGURE FOR A COSTS THAT WE HAVE EXPENSE.

THAT IS WHY I WAS TRYING TO GO DOWN THE PATH OF WHO SHOWED UP TO WET. OBVIOUSLY IF THEY WENT OUT AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP THAT FILE COURT HEARING. NOW WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT MR. RYAN IS THE CLEAR OWNER. HE RECEIVED IT AND HE IS APPEALING THE $5000. MY THING IS SOMEWHERE IN THE 1735 AREA, UNLESS I CAN SEE WHERE SPECIFICALLY THE CLIENT WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY NOW EITHER SHOWED UP, HAD ALL OF THESE OTHER COSTS ASSOCIATED.

BUT I GET IT NOW THAT IT IS A PROCESS THAT IT HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR ATTORNEY. UNFORTUNATELY THE PERSON OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE BUILDING THE CASE AGAINST, MR. BAPTIST, WHO WE THOUGHT WAS THE OWNER WAS NOT. AM I OFF?

>> NO, MR. BAPTIST WAS THE OWNER .

>> TO THE SHOW UP? >> THAT WAS BACK IN 2009. YES,

HE DID. >> GOT IT.

>> ONE QUESTION, MAYBE TWO. ON THE SHEET THAT WE HAVE IT SAYS THREE HEARINGS AT $150 EACH, THAT IS $450. HOW MANY OF THOSE

DID MR. RYAN ATTEND? >> ONE.

>> HE ATTENDED THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING?

>> THAT IS ONE OF THE THREE. >> SO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING IS $250. SO THE ONE FOR $250 IS INCLUDED INTO THE THREE? IT SAYS THREE ABOVE AND THEN ONE FOR SPECIAL

MAGISTRATE. >> THAT IS AN APPEAL FEE.

>> SO IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE HEARINGS, HOW MANY OF THOSE DID MR. RYAN ATTEND? ONE. OKAY, IN THE 13 MONTHS THAT IT WAS OPEN THAT WITH SINCE WHEN? 13 MONTHS FROM TODAY OR 13 MILES FROM

2006? >> THAT WAS FROM 1996. WHEN I FIND IS ISSUE YOU HAVE A CASE THAT IS OPEN AND THE CASE IS WORKED UP THROUGH AND INCLUDING UNTIL IT COMES INTO COMPLIANCE.

FROM THE TIME THE CASE WAS OPEN UNTIL THE PROPERTY CAME INTO

COMPLIANCE WITH 13 MONTHS. >> AND WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY

DURING THOSE 13 MONTHS? >> I WOULD NEED TO LOOK THAT UP. IT IS EITHER GOING TO BE THE DIXONS OR -- I HAVE IT.

DOROTHY MONK. >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE DOING DISCUSSIONS. I JUST CANNOT SIT HERE AS IN ONE THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS AND ASKED SOMEONE TO PAY ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY.

EVEN ON THE HARD COST SHEET SOME OF THE FEES ARE NOT TOWARD THE APPLICANT THAT IS HERE. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO REDUCE IT TO ZERO. I KNOW YOU GUYS WANT THE HARD COSTS. THAT IS WHERE I AM STANDING. IT'S JUST MESSED UP EVERYWHERE. THAT IS WHERE I STAND.

[b. Resolution 23-R48 approving the adoption of the amended Solid Waste Administrative Guidelines and the schedule of fees for the collection and disposal of garbage and trash.]

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[17. COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION]

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SCHOOL, FIRST WEEK OF SCHOOL YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE SOME

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PEOPLE THERE TO TALK TO SOME OF THESE KIDS. HE SAID THANK YOU

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FOR GIVING ME THE INFORMATION. I LISTENED. I DON'T CARE IF

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YOU COME EMOTIONAL HERE . THIS IS YOUR TIME TO TALK TO ALL OF

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US TO BE EMOTIONAL AND DO WHATEVER. THE ONLY THING I