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[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, THIS IS THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING IT IS TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER TW 12TH, 2023. PLEASE STAND FOR THE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL." >> MAYOR HUDSON: CALL ROLL,

PLEASE. >> HUDSON?

>> PRESENT. >> BRODERICK?

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> HERE. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE

LAST MEETING. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

[5. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE ROLL.

>> ROLL ROLL. >> NEXT WE HAVE ADDITIONS OR DEL DELETIONS OF THE AGENDA OR

APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION?

>> MOVE THE SET THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THERE'S A

[6. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject on this agenda may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Chairperson, as this section of the Agenda is limited to fifteen minutes. The FPRA Board will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Chairperson, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

MOTION AN A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL.

>> ROLL ROLL. NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, COME FORWARD, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES

[7. CONSENT AGENDA]

ON ANY TOPIC ON THE AGO I SEE NO MOVEMENT, SO, WE'LL MOVE ON.

>> NEXT WE HAVE TCONSENT AGEND. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THERE AN

ITEM TO BE APPROVAL? >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THERE'S A

[a. Approval of the proposed FY2024 FPRA Operating Budget]

MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL.

>> ROLL ROLL. >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, MA'AM.

>> UNDER NEW BUSINESS WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE FY 2024 FPRA

OPERATING BUDGET. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMES?

>> MADAM CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WE HAVE OUR SECRETARY TREASURE, AND SHE'LL GIVE US A BELIEVE OVERVIEW FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE FPRA 2024 OPERATING BUDGET.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MS. MORRIS? >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. LET ME GET INTO THE COMPUTER. I'LL DO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF OUR PROPOSED 2024 BUDGET FOR OUR FPRA. WE ARE PROPOSING A BALANCED BUDGET OF $12,214,417. AND THAT IS A $2 MILLION INCREASE FROM THIS FISCAL YEAR. YOU'LL SEE THE VERY FIRST NOTE, OUR AD VALOREM TAX IS $11.9 MILLION THIS YEAR.

AND THAT'S A $2.8 MILLION INCREASE FROM THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. SO, THAT IS THE MAJOR INCREASE IN OUR REVENUE.

WE DO SEE SOME INCREASES IN THE EXPENSES AS WELL. THERE'S $100,000 INCREASE IN THE INSURANCE COST. BECAUSE OF THAT SAME AS I PRESENTED IN GENERAL, THAT SAME INSURANCE INCREASE THAT WE'RE SEEING IN GENERAL AS WELL IS SEEN IN THE FPRA. AND AS A RESULT, THERE'S $100,000 INCREASE IN OUR INSURANCE COST.

WE STILL HAVE THE $350,000 ALLOCATED FOR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. THERE IS THE $500,000 TRANSFER TO SUNRISE THEATER, THAT'S THE $50,000 INCREASE AND THE DIRECTOR, SHARON WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU TO PRESENT A REPORT TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE SHE IS FINANCIALLY. BUT, I WILL JUST TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW, THEY'RE DOING QUITE WELL. THE GRANTS HAVE HELPED WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY AS WELL AS THE OPERATING COST AND SO, THEY DO HAVE POSITIVE OF COURSE CURRENTLY. AND, WE ARE INCREASING THE TRANSFER TO GENERAL FOR $1 MILLION THIS FISCAL YEAR AND AS A RESULT, ONCE WE DO THIS MILLION DOLLAR TRANSFER, THIS YEAR, THE REMAINING BOL BALANCE ON THE BOOKS OWED BY FPRA, IS $5.6 MILLION. AND THAT IS THE OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR THE FPRA. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IT LOOKS TO ME IS IT ABOUT $4 MILLION THAT WE STILL HAVE IN DEBT COMING FROM THE FPRA? IS THAT ABOUT

RIGHT? >>

>>> YES. THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AND THE LEASE REVENUE, IS THAT FROM OUR, COBS LANDING AND LITTLE GYM, AND DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER LEASE REVENUE?

>> NO, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE FPRA.

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>> MAYOR HUDSON: LITTLE GYM. OH, LILITTLE GYM IS NOT IN THE

AREA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> IN THE EVENT THAT THE FPRA DECIDED TO LIQUIDATE ASSETS, WHAT, YOU KNOW, LAND ASSETS ET CETERA, IS THERE MECHANISM IN PLACE THAT THIS BOARD HAS THE CAPACITY TO DETERMINE WHERE THOSE FUNDS GO TO? AND LET ME QUALIFY THAT SAYING LET'S SAY WE SOLD A PROPERTY FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLAR, WE WANTED TO, I'M NOT A BIG DEBT PERSON AND I KNOW THAT THE MAYOR'S THE SAME IN THAT REGARD. IF WE LIQUIDATED THE ASSETS, COULD WE USE THAT MONEY TO PAY DOWN DEBT.

>> CURRENTLY WHAT WE'VE DONE AND THE BOARD HAS PUT THIS IN PLACE, THAT MONEY'S RESTRICTED, WE HAVE MONEY FROM PRIOR LIQUIDATED ASSETS FOR THAT FUND. RIGHT NOW, A LOT OF OUR DEBT WE CAN NOT PAY DOWN EARLY. SO, WE KEEP THE MONEY IN THE FUND TO BE UTILIZED FOR THAT PURPOSE. AND IT CAN BE ONLY BE USED BY A MAJORITY VOTE TO BE UTILIZED ANY OTHER WAY.

>> SO, THERE'S MONEY SITTING IN THAT FUND, THAT'S MONEY OWED TO

THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND? >> IT'S NOT OWED TO THE GENERAL FUND -- WE CAN, WELL, THE FUND OWES $5.4 MILLION TO GENERAL.

WE HAVE IT IN A RESTRITED FUND AND IT CANNOT BE UTILIZED. THE BOARD, ONCE WE SET THAT ACCOUNT UP, IT SAID THAT IT WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR FUTURE DEBT PURPOSES ONLY. MOST OF OUR DEBT INSTRUMENT, WE CAN'T, WITHOUT GETTING INTO.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT INTERNAL DEBT IT'S FPRA VERSUS THE CITY.

>> IT CAN BE UTILIZED. YEAH, YOU ALL CAN SAY, IF YOU WANTED TO GET THIS $5.4 MILLION OFF OF GENERAL'S BOOKS AND YOU KNOW, BE CLEAN, SURE, IF THERE'S EVER ENOUGH TO DO THAT, YOU CAN DO

THAT. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT

THE AVAILABLE FUNDS ARE IN THAT. >> I DON'T RIGHT OFF THE TOP.

>> I KNOW IT'S COMING OUT OF LEFT FIELD, BUT, DOES THE CITY, DOES THE CITY CHARGE THE FPRA AN INTEREST?

>> NO, WE DON'T. >> NO, WE DON'T.

>> . [LAUGHTER]

>> WHAT'S WRONG WITH 24%? >> [LAUGHTER] .

>> THE OTHER YOU TONIGHT? >> I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT IS AVAILABLE IN THAT FUND AND YOU KNOW IN THE FUTURE IF YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION FOR ME, FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION.

AND THAT DIALS INTO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY BUDGET, THE ENTIRE DEBT STRUCTURE WITH TERM AND RATES AND ALL OF THAT, A SNAPSHOT VIEW OF ALL THAT I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYBODY TO DETERMINE WHAT PRECISELY OUR DEBT LOAD IS AND WHAT OUR INTEREST RATES ARE IN TERM AND IT GIVES ME THE ABILITY TO BRACKET THAT DEBT BADGE. AND OF COURSE, FPRA IS PART OF THAT.

AND, YOU KNOW, IF FPRA PAYS BACK THE CITY, THE CITY CAN USE THAT POTENTIALLY TO PAY DOWN SOME OF IT'S FLOATING DEBT, ET CETERA. THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON IT.

>> YEAH. WE WERE HOPING -- WE RESTRICTED FOR THOSE PURPOSES BECAUSE A LOT OF THE WAY OUR DEBT WRITTEN, WE CAN'T DEFEES THEM EERARLY. WE RESTRICT THE MONEY TO BE USED FOR THOSE PURPOSES, HOWEVER, WE CANNOT PAY IT OFF EARLY.

>> GOT IT. THANK YOU. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AND JUST SO THAT I REMEMBER, THE REASON THAT FPRA OWES MONEY TO THE CITY IS BECAUSE THE CITY HELPED PAY OFF FPRA DEBT?

>> RIGHT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AM I

REMEMBERING THAT RIGHT. >> UP UNTIL ABOUT 13 GENERAL HAD TO PAY THE DEBT BECAUSE FPRA COULDN'T DURING THOSE TIMES.

SO, WE PAID UP TO THE TUNE OF $9 MILLION DEBT FOR THOSE YEARS.

>> I WOULD THINK IT WOULD ULTIMATELY BE A GOAL TO ELIMINATE THAT DEBT BACK TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. AND THEN, FACEBOOK IS DEBT NEUTRAL AND THE CITY'S BEEN REIMBURSED ALL OF IT'S OUTLET. SO, I SHARE YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS. THAT'S AN END GOAL THAT I THINK IS SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT'S WHERE WE'VE BEEN HEADING AND THIS IS A PRETTY HEALTHY FPRA BUDGET THIS YEAR. IT HASN'T BEEN THIS HEALTHY IN A LONG TIME. YES, SIR?

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON TOO. I BELIEVE OUR TRANSFER LAST YEAR AND THE PREVIOUS FEW YEARS HAS BEEN LESS

THAN THIS. >> RIGHT, WE'VE DONE 500, AND

THIS YEAR WAS $600,000. >> ND A WE WERE GOING TO DO A MILLION. BUT, HE ALSO HAD SOME ITEMS FALL OFF, LIKE, I THINK THAT WE HAD SOME GRANTS THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

>> CORRECT. >> WHERE WE WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, CARRYING THOSE THREE YEARS AGAIN.

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>> THE COP'S GRANT. >> WE STILL HAVE THOSE POSITIONS, POSSIBLY, BUT, OUTSIDE OF THAT, I THINK IT WAS THREE OR FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT CONTRIBUTED HERE.

>> AND BUILT INTO THE BUDGET IS $423,000 FOR THAT PURPOSES, THE OFFICERS ARE IN A RESTRICTED ACT.

>> WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAD BEFORE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DIFFERENT. >> SO, WE'RE FUNDING IT IN A

DIFFERENT WAY. >> RIGHT.

>> WHICH IS GOOD. AND, I THINK IN THE LAST, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, TOO, COMMISSIONER, I LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'VE DONE EVEN WHEN WE DO THE DEBT RESTRUCTURING WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR CITY BUDGET AND IN HERE, ALSO, WE'RE IN A VERY GOOD POSITION CARRYING THESE FUNDS FORWARD. I DON'T LIKE DEBT EITHER, AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT THE BALANCE OF HOW TO GROW THE DEVELOPMENT PART OF THIS ARM THAT WE SIT IN. I GET IT.

>> RIGHT. >> AND YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY, WE'RE IN THE WAY OF A REAL ESTATE UPTICK. NOW'S THE TIME TO ELIMINATE DEBT. THAT UPTICK IS NOT GOING TO LAST FOREVER.

THERE'LL BE DOWNWARD PRESSURE, SO, THE MORE OF THIS OUTSTANDING DEBT THAT WE CAN ELIMINATE CURRENTLY, I'M A BIG ADVOCATE OF THAT, AND IT PUTS US IN A STRONG POSITION, THEORETICALLY, WHEN THE MARKET ADJUSTS, IT PUTS THE FPRA IN A VERY ADVANTAGEOUS POSITION TO WORK TO ADVANTAGE THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN END GOAL TO DO THAT AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE. IF WE HAVE ASSETS WHICH ARE SITTING DORMANT, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THEM APPLIED TO DEBT AND GET RID OF THE DEBT. THAT'S AN ANALYSIS FOR ANOTHER DAY, BUT, THAT'S WHERE I WOULD HEAD WITH IT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, COMMISSIONER

GAINES? >> I'M JUST LOOKING DOWN AT THE

OTHER END. ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MS. MORRIS? SO, DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THIS

BUDGET? >> IT HAS TO BE APPROVED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SO, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE

A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> CHAIR, I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE FY 2024 FPRA OPERATING BUDGET.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MOTION AND A

SECOND, PLEASE CALL THEROLL. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

[b. Authorization of Expenditure of FPRA Funds for Jetty Park Police Detail in the estimated annual amount of $107,640.00.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WE HAVE THE EXPENDITURE OF THE FPRA FUNDS FOR THE JETTY PARK POLICE DETAIL IN THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL AMOUNT OF $107,640.

>> MR. MIMES? >> MADAM CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE HAVE A SPECIAL TREAT, THIS LITTLE FELLOW,

OFFICER FOZENELLA. >> WHAT IS IT TODAY?

>> I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE HIM. >> HE WILL COME AND GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE JETTY POLICE DETAIL THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

WE RECEIVED A COUPLE OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO FROM BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE JETTY AREA. WITH REGARD TO SOME, I GUESS, UNDESIRABLE BEHAVIORS, AND IN RESPONSE TO THAT, WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF POLICE DETAIL THAT CAN LOOK AT JUST THE ACTUAL PUBLIC AREAS ONLY. SO, AT THIS TIME.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: OFFICER FAZEN DLSHGS ELLO. WELCOME.

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, MR. MIMMS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. AT THE REQUEST OF CITY MANAGER, WE DID EXPLORE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF EMPLOYING AN OFF-DUTY DETAIL AT THE JETTY PARK. I'M THE DETAIL SUPERVISOR FOR ALL OFF-DUTY DETAILS. WHAT I DID WAS I GOT A CRIME ANALYSIS DONE FROM OUR CRIME ANALYSIS UNIT AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

BASED ON THE DATA THAT I RECEIVED FROM THEM, AS WELL AS THE CONCERNS WHICH WERE VOICED BY THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES OF THE JETTY PARK, WE PUT TOGETHER BASICALLY A JOB DESCRIPTION WHICH SHOULD BE COMING UP AROUND IN FRONT OF YOU ABOUT NOW. IN THAT CRIME ANALYSIS WE WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PEAK CALLS FOR SERVICE WERE, WHEN THE TIMES FOR THESE CALLS FOR SERVICE WERE. WHAT THESE CALLS FOR SERVICE ENTAILED. IN DOING SO, WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER THE TIME FRAMES OF FRIDAY NIGHT FROM 7:00 P.M. TO 1:00 A.M. SATURDAY EVENINGS FROM 8:00 P.M. TO 2:00 A.M. AND SUNDAY EVENINGS FROM 6:00 P.M. TO MIDNIGHT. BY

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DOING THIS, WE BELIEVE THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO ENSURE THAT THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS SAFELY ENJOY JETTY PARK. I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AS YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING THE FPRA DETAIL IN DOWNTOWN AREA AS WELL, WHICH HAS, IN MY OPINION BEEN GOING VERY WELL. WE DO HAVE REPORTS FOR THE ACTIVITY THAT GOES DOWN THERE. AND IT'S ALWAYS HARD TO, HOW DO YOU SAY, UM, SHOW WHAT THE OFFICERS ARE ACTUALLY DETERRING AS WELL. JUST THEIR MERE PRESENCE ALONE, SO, EYE VISIBILITY AT JETTY PARK WILL GO

A LONG WAY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WANTED TO ASK AND IF SOMEBODY'S LISTENING TO THIS AND SOMEBODY ASKS US FOR DOWNTOWN AS WELL AS THE BEACH IN THE SPECIAL DETAIL. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO REPORT, THERE'S NO WAY TO GET A HOLD OF THE SPECIAL DETAIL, RIGHT? DO YOU JUST CALL 9-1-1? WHAT SHOULD A CITIZEN DO IF THEY WERE IN AN AREA LIKE THAT.

>> MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR ASKING. IF A DOWNTOWN OFFICERS IS NOT WITHIN THEIR SIGHT IMMEDIATELY, THE ABSOLUTE BEST THING TO DO IS IS TO CONTACT 9-1-1. IMMEDIATELY THE DISPATCHERS WILL DISPATCH SERVICE MEN AND OVER THE RADIO, THE DETAIL OFFICERS WILL HEAR THAT CALL AND HEAD THERE AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY COULD HANDLE ON DETAIL, THEY WILL CERTAINLY

DO SO. >> WHAT IS THE COMPLIMENT OF

THE DETAIL, ONE OR TWO OFFICERS? >> IT'S TWO OFFICERS, THAT'S BASED ON THE FACT THAT WHENEVER WE DO HAVE SOME SORT OF DISTURBANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THE DISPATCH IS NORMAL PRACTICE IS TO SEND AN OFFICER KNOWN AS A BACKUP OFFICERS AND IN SOME CASES IT'S NECESSARY TO HAVE THAT BACKUP OFFICER THERE, IF IT'S DETERMINED THEY'RE NOT NEEDED THEY WILL BREAK AND GO TO SOMETHING ELSE WHICH IS IN PROGRESS AT THE TIME. IT ALLOWS THE PRIMARY OFFICER TO ENGAGE AND FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUE AND CONCERN IS WHILE MAINTAINING THE PRESENCE OF THE PARK OR WHERE

THE INCIDENT IS TAKING PLACE. >> IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY CALL THAT COMES IN WHICH REQUIRES ADDITIONAL STAFFING VERSUS WHAT'S JUST IS ON SHIFT, THEY CAN BE CALLED OUT TO ASSIST WITH

THAT AS WELL? >> ABSOLUTELY. YES, SIR. THEY CAN BE CALLED OFF BY THE SHIFT COMMANDER AND TOLD TO RESPOND TO THAT EMERGENCY RIGHT THEN AND THERE AT THAT MOMENT.

>> THANK YOU. >> NO PROBLEM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IN THE REPORT IS THE REPORT ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN DETAIL. SO, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT DOWNTOWN, BUT, I LOOK FORWARD TO THIS. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN SOME SPILLOVER ACTIVITY LIKE IN THE JC PARK, I'M ASSUMING IF SOMEBODY SEES SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEY STILL CALL 9-1-1. IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE JETTY PARK DETAIL THAT LEAVES, OR A REGULAR CALL, I WOULD ASSUME, IS THAT

CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. AT ANY TIME THAT A COMMUNITY MEMBER SEES ANYTHING AT ALL, EVEN JUST A NOISE COMPLAINT FROM PEOPLE GATHERING AT A PARK THAT'S CLOSED AFTER DUSK, THEY WOULD CONTACT US AND WE WOULD GO OUT

AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS INFORMATION, I APPRECIATE IT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

>>> MADAM CHAIR, BEING THAT THIS IS AN EXPENDITURE OF FPRA WE WOULD NEED YOUR APPROVAL WITH A MOTION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS INNOVATIVE POLICING STRATEGY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I HAVE ONE QUESTION, DID WE TALK ABOUT A

TIME FRAME? IS THIS OPEN-ENDED? >> WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ANNUAL BASIS, I BELIEVE IT'S THE FIRST WEEKEND IN OCTOBER.

>> IT'S SCHEDULED TO START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>> SO, WE'LL DO THIS AN AN ANNUAL BASIS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: AND WE WOULD EVALUATE IT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THERE A

MOTION. >> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR HUDSON: CALL THE

ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON?

[c. Resolution 23-04 appointing Amanda Geller as Commissioner Broderick's appointee to the CRA Advisory Board.]

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WE HAVE FPRA RESOLUTION 23-04 A RESOLUTION OF THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY A DEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT CERTIFYING THE AMOUNT OF MEMBERS OF THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS RESOLUTION WILL APPOINT MS. AMANDA GELLER HAS COMMISSIONER BRODERICK'S REPRESENTATIVE AS MR. KYLE KAUFMAN HAD TO RESIGN HIS SEAT TO COME WORK FOR THE

CITY OF FORT PIERCE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: IS THERE A

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MOTION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL.

[d. CRA Advisory Committee Recommendations]

>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> WE HAVE THE BRAND NEW CRA ADVISORY CHAIR WILL PROVIDE THE

RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BOARD. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. I HOPE I DON'T MAKE A MESS OUT OF THIS. OKAY.

MADAM, MAYOR, CLERK, COMMISSIONERS, MR. MIMMS. PLEASURE TO BE HERE. WE WERE DISCUSSING AT THE CRA MEETINGS, AS EVERY MEETINGS, THE DISCUSSION IS COMING UP ABOUT PARKING IN THE SOUTH BEACH AREA. AND ALL OVER FORT PIERCE, IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE. I TOOK INITIATIVE BECAUSE I WAS READING THE REPORTS FROM FROM WALKER CONSULTANTS WHICH WAS DONE IN 2014 AND IS HIGHLIGHTING THREE SPECIFIC SPOTS FOR PARKING LOTS.

SO, I'M TRYING TO, THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX A BIT AND JUST GOING TO DIFFERENT PLACES, VACATIONS AND OTHER SPOT, AND JUST SEEING HOW THEY DO IT IN OUR TOWNSHIPS, OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE OUR'S, NOT THE HIGH DENSITIES LIKE LAUDERDALE AND PLACES LIKE THAT, I TOOK PICTURES IN THE KEYS, IN A SMALL COMMUNITY LIKE OUR'S, BEACH ORIENTED, A LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL, AND THEY HAD GOOD PARKING SETUPS. SO, WHAT I DID WAS, I TOOK IT UPON MYSELF, UM, TO EMPLOY A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND, FIRST SCREEN. WE TOOK THE OVERLAYS FROM THE SATELLITE MAPS AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE ON-STREET PARKING. BECAUSE, I BELIEVE THAT THE ON-STREET PARKING IS A SOLUTION TO PART OF OUR PROBLEMS, IT SOLVES A FEW PROBLEMS, IT SOLVES PARKING, IT SOLVES OUR DRAINAGE PROBLEM, IT SOLVES OUR MOBILITY PROBLEM WITH SIDEWALKS AND CURBS. AND I THINK IT WOULD REALLY IMPROVE THE WHOLE ATMOSPHERE OF THE SOUTH BEACH AREA. I BELIEVE THERE'S A $3 MILLION PROJECT GOING ON IN AVENUE D,. THERE'S DOING A GREAT JOB BECAUSE THERE'S DRAINAGE, SIDEWALKS, CURBS, LIGHTING, AND TREE PLANTINGS, AND IT LOOKS FANTASTIC, AND I THINK IF WE DID THE SAME THING DOWN AT SOUTHSOUTH BEACH, YOU K WHEN IT RAINS HEAVILY, THE STREETS GET FLOODED, IF YOU LEAVE EARLY IN THE MORNING LIKE I DO, IT'S STILL DARK, PEOPLE ARE WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET, ESPECIALLY IF IT RAINS, IT'S DANGEROUS, IF WE HAD CURBS, SIDEWALKS, DRAINAGE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THESE ISSUES. PEOPLE GETTING AROUND IN A BABY CARRIAGE. GETTING TO THE BEACHES, GETTING TO THE COMMERCIAL AREA WHERE TACO DIVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE FOR MOBILITY. SO, WHAT WE DID WAS I STARTED DOWN BY SEA WAY, AND BINNEY, AND MADE THE TURN ONTO SOUTH OCEAN AND I PLANNED ON DOING ALL THE WAY UP SEA WAY, UP BY THE PELICAN YACHT CLUB, BUT, IT GETS EXPENSIVE AND CUMBERSOME AND TAKES SOME TIME. BUT, GOING DOWN SOUTH OCEAN, GIVES YOU THE GIST OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WHAT WE DID WAS TOOK AN OVERLAY, AND THEY DID A NICE JOB ON, LET'S SEE IF I CAN GET TO THE PROPER PICTURE HERE, YEAH, THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE PIECE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF PART OF THE INLET PARK. IT GETS YOU HERNANDO AND BINNEY, AND I KNOW THERE'S ALREADY ON-STREET P AND HERNANDO ON THAT PARTICULAR CORNER AND I THINK THAT WORKS GREAT, THERE ARE SIX OR SEVEN PARKING SPOTS THERE. THEY'RE NICE AND WIDE, THE STREET IS WIDE. AND IF WE CONTINUE THAT TO THE SOUTHSIDE OF BINNEY AND WORKED ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOUTH OCEAN AND IMPROVE THE WALKWAYS.

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I WANTED TO GIVE YOU JUST ENOUGH FOOD FOR THOUGHT OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH. AND WE ACTUALLY TOOK THIS CONCEPT AND WE WENT ALL THE WAY TOLL GULF STREAM. WE HAD SOME SPOTS THERE AND WE ADDRESSED THAT. NEXT TO ARCHIE'S AND THE BEACH CLUB I'M SHARP THEY WOULD BE HAPPY GETTING HER RIGHT-OF-WAYS IMPROVED. AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GHOST BUILDING, THE BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. JUST ROUGHLY SPEAKING, ON THOSE PARTICULAR BLOCK FROM BINNEY TO GULF STREAM IT'S 69 PARKING SPACES THAT WE CREATED. AGAIN, NOT ONLY IS IT PARKING, IT'S DRAINAGE, IT'S SIDEWALKS, IT'S CURBS, STREET LIGHTING SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T WALKING IN THE DARK. AND, I THINK, BESIDE THE PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND DRAINAGE, THE PROPERTY VALUE IN THE AREA WILL GO UP. YOU IMPROVE IN FRONT OF THEIR STREET, SAME CONCEPT AS WE HAD WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS, AVENUE D, AND SOUTH 8TH STREET. YOU IMPROVE THE STREET AND DO THE STREETSCAPE, THE GUY IS LIKE, ALL OF A SUDDEN, I WANT TO PAINT MY HOUSE OR NEW GARAGE DOORS, I THINK IT JUST BEAUTIFIES THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT HAPPENS BY ATTRITION. SO, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE THE CRA WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO EXPLORE THIS A LITTLE FURTHER. WE WOULD LIKE TO, NOT JUST TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE REALLY LIKE TO SET IT IN MOTION, BECAUSE, I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE THING. AND I THINK WE'RE ALREADY UTILIZING IN OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD UTILIZE IT IN SOUTH BEACH. I THINK WE'RE BEING, NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE BEING SKIPPED OVER, BUT, I THINK PEOPLE LIKE THE WAY THINGS ARE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE, TAKE MY CORAL SANDS PROJECT, I'M PUTTING IN 600 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK, CURB, AND DRAINAGE, I JUST PUT A $60,000 BASIN LAST WEEK. AND I'M THE FIRST ONE TO SAY, THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. I LIKE THE SIDEWALKS, I LIKE THE CURBS, I WANT DRAINAGE AND LIGHTING AND PLANTING AND STREETSCAPES. BUT, IF WE TOOK THAT CONCEPT THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPERS DO AND EXPAND IT INTO THE ENTIRE BEACH AREA, I THINK IT SOLVES A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS. AND I THINK THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE HAPPY WITH IT. AND AGAIN, WE'RE THOUGHT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING FOUR-STORY, CONCRETE PARKING GARAGES THAT COST $8 MILLION THAT WILL TAKE 22 YEARS, I THINKTY FIGURED IT OUT, YOU KNOW, $8 MILLION PARKING GARAGE 50% CAPACITY, IT WOULD TAKE US ABOUT 22 YEARS TO PAY IT BACK AND WE STILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND POLICE IT. THINGS WILL ARISE, LIKE, THE OFFICER JUST, YOU KNOW, THINGS ARE HAPPENING AND WE HAVE TO PUT EXTRA POLICE ON, EVERYTHING COSTS MONEY. AND THERE'S ALSO REVENUE WHICH IS LOST WITH WE PAY PARKING LOTS, BECAUSE IT'S NOT DEVELOPED, NOBODY'S PAYING REAL ESTATE ON IT. THE INSURANCE HAS GONE UP. AND NOBODY HAS TO TELL ME ABOUT THAT, MY BUILDER'S RISK IS GOING THROUGH THE ROOF. I THINK IT'S A GOOD WAY FOR US TO ADDRESS IT, I THINK THE CITIZENS IN THE BEACH AREA WOULD BE HAPPY WITH IT. AND CRA WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THIS IN MOTION AND GET IT STARTED. AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO INVEST AS MUCH AS TIME AS I NEED TO TO SPEARHEAD IT. AND USE MY KNOWLEDGE TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: INTERESTING CONCEPT. QUESTIONS OR

CONVERSATION? >> I'LL START, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD, SO, BASICALLY, 70 SPOTS, RIGHT? THAT WE WOULD GAIN FROM THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF IT, RIGHT? ANY CONVERSATION AS FAR AS METERED PARKING IN THESE SPACES TO CREATE TURNOVER, BECAUSE, I SEE GREAT STRATEGIES TO PROVIDE EVEN MORE PARKING ACCESS TO THE BEACH AREA ENCLAVES ET CETERA, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT METERING SPACES.

>> I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR YOUR QUESTION.

>> METERING, PUTTING IN PAID PARKING SPACES, A SPACE THAT YOU COULD GET FOR, I DON'T KNOW, HOWEVER LONG YOU WANT TO PAY FOR

YOUR CAR TO BE THERE. >> IF WE IMPROVED OUR RIGHTS OF WAYS. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION, CORRECTLY, YOU CAN PUT IN PARKING METERS. ONE BLOCK WEST OF SOUTH OCEAN AND

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ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF BINNEY. YOU COULD PUT IN PARKING METERS THERE. YOU KNOW, NOTHING, NOTHING IS FOR FREE ANYMORE. IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T PUT THE QUARTER IN THE METER, IT COMES OUT OF THE TAXPAYER'S POCKET. SO, I KNOW, EVERYBODY WANTS EVERYTHING FOR FREE, BUT, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR IT. SO, OUR REAL ESTATE TAXES WILL GO UP BECAUSE SOMEBODY WANTS TO PARK FOR FREE. AND THAT'S NOT FAIR EITHER. I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE OUT THEIR CREDIT CARD AND PUT THREE DOLLARS IN THE METER TO GO TO THE BEACH. IT'S A PART OF LIFE, WE RARELY GET ANYTHING FOR FREE.

AND THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TRAFFIC WE HAVE COMING DOWN FROM OTHER COMMUNITY THAT IS GO TO THIS BEACH. I DON'T THINK IT'S A LOT. I LIVE RIGHT BY FERNANDINA AND ST. LUCIE PARK. I KNOW THE PARKING THAT PUT UP IS PRETTY FULL. TO ME, AS A CITIZEN, I DON'T THINK PEOPLE IF THEY WANTED TO GO TO THE BEACH WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM PUTTING IN THREE OR FOUR DOLLARS IN A METER. I DO SEE IT IN THE INLET PARK, PEOPLE PARK THERE FROM 6:00 A.M. UNTIL THEY'RE THROWN OUT AT 6:00 P.M. THAT'S

NOT FAIR EITHER. >> THE PARKING THAT YOU HAVE DESIGNED ON THE SCREEN IT'S NOT ANGLED, IT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL, HORIZONTAL, IT'S PARALLEL PARKING?

>> RIGHT. >> OKAY. I WANTED TO BE SURE.

>> THERE MAYBE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE WE MAY BE ABLE TO GET 90-DEGREE. IT'S JUST DOWN TO HERNANDO, WE DIDN'T GO DOWN HERNANDO, WE JUST WENT UP TO THE INTERSECTION. AND IT'S 69 PARKING SPOTS AND THAT WAS AT A QUICK. AND IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN SEA WAY, TO BINNEY, I THINK IT WOULD BE A POSITIVE THING AND FIX A LOT OF OUR HEADACHES. AND IT'S ONLY A BLOCK OFF, BECAUSE, AS WE KNOW, PEOPLE WILL NOT WALK TWO OR THREE BLOCKS. WE COULD SEE WHEN WE HAVE THE EVENTS HERE, NOBODY USES THE FOUR-STORY BUILDING HERE, OR DOWN BY THE COURTS, BECAUSE, THEY DON'T WANT TO WALK. IF IT'S ONLY A BLOCK OFF THE BEACH, THEY'LL DO IT, AND IF THEY HAVE TO PUT QUARTERS IN THE

METER, SO BE IT. >> WELL, THANK YOU AND THE COMMITTEE FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. I THINK IT'S A GOOD USE FOR WHAT I SEE RIGHT NOW, IS VACANT, UNUSED LAND. THIS IS A GREAT PLAN AND GREAT OPPORTUNITY. AND PEOPLE MAY PARK THERE, I GUESS, ILLEGALLY NOW, RIGHT? IT'S SOFT SHELL CORAL SAND SO PEOPLE JUST PULLOVER. BUT, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT DESIGN, AND LIKE I SAID, IT HELPS WITH THE FLOODING AND WATER MITIGATION. SO, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. BRODERICK, DID YOU WANT TO

TALK? >> SURE. I THINK THE ONLY AREA THAT HAS THIS CURRENTLY IS THE ADJACENT TO THE BANK PROPERTY, I THINK THERE'S SOME PARALLEL PARKING THERE. SO, YES, THE PROSPECT OF ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING IN THE SOUTH BEACH CORE QUADRANT OF THAT IS A BIG RTHER- CONCERN. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE. WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF LOSING EXTENSIVE AMOUNTS OF PARKING. POTENTIALLY IN THE REASONABLY NEAR FUTURE, SO, ANYTHING THAT WE COULD PICK UP WITHOUT GOING VERTICAL MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. YOU ARE CORRECT THAT GARAGES ARE $30,000 TO $45,000 A SPOT.

>> IT'S ALMOST $100,000 FOR PARKING.

>> THIS IS THE TYPE OF SCENARIO WHERE YOU CAN PHASE IT AND ADD IN AS TIME GOES BY. AND THIS BRINGS INTO QUESTION THE ENTIRE PARKING SCHEME ON THE NORTH END OF SOUTH BEACH, RELATIVE TO, I KNOW THE PARPARKING COMMITTEE H ON IT'S AGENDA TOMORROW, THE CITY LOT ON THE EAST SIDE OF SQUARE GROUPER, THIS IS SOMETHING THEY SHOULD BE ADVISED TO. AND THEY SHOULD BE WORKING COHE COHESIVELY WITH THAT GROUP.

THIS IS THE TYPE OF SCENARIO TO PICK UP BLOCKS OF PARKING INCREMENTALLY, SO WE'RE NOT FACED WITH A MASSIVE EXPENDITURE, IN MY OPINION IS A GREAT PLAN AND IT COULD BE ROLLED IN AS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADJACENT TO THE JETTY PARK AREA, WHICH IS WHY THE JUGGERNAUT OF THIS PROBLEM IS.

AND THE SPILLOVER WILL BE SOUTH TO WHATEVER AVAILABLE PARKING

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IS. IT'S INTERESTING, AS I'M SURE YOU'VE NOTED AS WELL, THE FEE-PAID PARKING LOT, THE PRIVATELY OWNED LOT OUT THERE ON WEEKENDS IS BUSY. IT'S NOT AS IF PEOPLE ARE NOT WILLING TO PAY FOR PARKING IN PRIME LOCATION. AND WE WILL HAVE FURTHER STRESS ON THIS ENTIRE AREA AS FURTHER DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE. SO, GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF IT IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. THE PARKING COMMUNITY IS LOOKING AT THAT LOT TOMORROW SO THEY WILL BE COMING BACK WITH RECO RECOMMENDATIONS ON THAT AND TIEING IT IN WITH THIS, I THINK WE COULD PUT TOGETHER A LONG-TERM PLAN TO ENHANCE THE PARKING AVAILABILITY OUT THERE.

BECAUSE, WE'RE GOING TO NEED IT. AND YOU ARE CORRECT, CORPUS PARK OPENED UP AND THERE WERE WAITING LINES TO GET IN THERE. AND THAT'S A PHENOMENAL SUCCESS. WE ADDED 14-16 SPACES AND THEY'RE CAPITALIZED CONSISTENTLY. WE KNOW THERE'S ASSET IN THAT WHY ARE. THE JETTY PPARK, YOU HEAR THE REPORT, OF THE POLICE DETAIL WHICH WILL HELP WITH TRANSITION PARKING AND THAT'S IN SUPPORT OF THE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS RIGHT THERE TO GET THEIR PATRONS TO THEIR DOOR. SO, WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THEM AS WELL. BUT, COMPREHENSIVELY, I THINK, LONG-TERM, THIS IS ONE OF THE METHODGIES THAT WE WOULD WANT TO GIVE SERIOUS CONSIDERATION TO.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR.

>> MR. THOMPSON AND I JUST CAME OUT OF A MEETING TODAY AT 4:00, SO, WE WERE ABLE TO STRATEGIZE AND TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. IN THE BREAK BETWEEN THAT MEETING AND THIS MEETING, I'VE HAD OTHER THOUGHTS AND I'M ENCOURAGED BY THIS.

BUT, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF ANY PROJECT LIKE THIS, DO WE HAVE ANY COST ESTIMATES IN MIND? HAVE WE DONE ANY OTHER WORK AS FAR AS THE DOLLAR FIGURES TO TAKE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS IN THESE SMALL SEGMENTS, AND IT'S OKAY IF NOT.

>> I DON'T HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW, BUT, I MEAN, I CAN TAKE A GIST OF WHAT MY CURRENT SIDEWALKS ARE AND I CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER FOR

YOU QUICKLY. >> AND THAT'S OKAY, I THINK WE CAN ENGAGE THE CITY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT WILL DEFINITELY HAVE A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE TO HELP US WITH THIS. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FROM THEIR POINT OF VIEW, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT, UM, THE CONDITION OF THE ROADWAY, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE STORM WATER INFRASTRUCTURE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE MADE. WE HAVE A STORM WATER UTILITY WITHIN THE CITY WHICH IS ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PARTNER WITHIN THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY MIGHT BE ON THEIR ROAD MAP TO REPLACE AS FAR AS A CAPITAL PROGRAM. AND IT MIGHT NOT BE, SO...

>> CHEIANNE BROUGHT IN A ENGINEER, AND THEY HAD AN EMERGENCY PROJECCT ON THE CORNER OF CORPUS AND FERNANDINA.

>> THAT'S GREAT. SO, WHILE SITTING UP HERE AND LISTENING TO YOUR PRESENTATION, I ALSO BROUGHT UP GOOGLE MAPS AND I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT BOARD MEMBERS, AND MR. THOMPSON AND THE CRA ADVISELY. I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT HERNANDO. YOU WERE SPECIFIC SO A 1 A TO HERNANDO IN THE CROSS STREETS, THE EAST/WEST STREETS, A VERY GOOD CONCEPT. AND THEN, COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON OR BRODERICK SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE ROUND ABOUTS, WHERE C 1 AND A 1 A TRANSITION IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA. SO, I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION TO TAKE THE SAME LENGTH OF SEGMENTS AND SEE IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DEVELOP HERNANDO WHICH IS CLOSER TO THE CORE OF OUR COMMERCIAL SECTION WITH THE SAME FOOTAGE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING THE SEGMENTS OF CORPUS AVENUE, AND ST. LUCIE COURT AND GULF STREAM. MOVE IT ALONG AND DO AN EVALUATION OF HERNANDO TO SEE IF THAT'S MORE IN THE URBAN COMMERCIAL CORE IF IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO PUT THE DOLLARS AT A1A, CA, AND HERNANDO.

>> MY THOUGHT WAS SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE, WEST OF HERNANDO AND SEA WAY, SOUTH OF BINNEY. BUT, THAT WAS MY ENTIRE CONCEPT WAS TO GO FROM THE ROUND ABOUT ALL THE WAY AROUND AND ACTUALLY STARTING AT BINNEY AND SEA WAY, AND WORKING ALL THE ROUND DOWN BINNEY AND

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SOUTH OCEAN TO GULF STREAM. I THINK IF WE DID ALL OF THOSE BLOCKS AND IMPROVED ALL OF THOSE RIGHT-OF-WAYS, ALL THE COMMERCIAL AREAS, AROUND THE MANATEE AND THE EDGE, THERE'LL BE PLENTY OF PARKING FOR EVERYBODY. THEY CAN GO TO THE JETTY, THEY MAY HAVE TO WALK ONE OR TWO BLOCKS BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING FOR EVERYBODY. BUT, THEN WHEN A NEW DEVELOPMENT GOES IN NEXT TO SQUARSQUARE GROUPER WILL BE MORE PARKING AND IT WILL

MAKE IT A SMOOTH TRANSITION. >> THE COMMITTEE HIT THE BULL'S EYE ON WHAT KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS ARE WE LOOKING FOR AND WHAT KIND OF NEEDS DO WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

I'M JUST WONDERING, THE FUNCTIONALITY, I'LL JUST TAKE THIS PICTURE, MY OWN DISCUSSION POINT WITH THIS PHOTO IS, OF COURSE, SO I'M GOING TO IMPROVE GULF STSTREAM, BUT, I HAVE TWO ACRES OF UNDEVELOPED LAND ACROSS OF THAT. ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN VACANT FOR MY WHOLE LIFE, PROBABLY, I DON'T REMEMBER IF ANYTHING'S BEEN ON THAT PROPERTY. SO, IT DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO TAKE THE EXACT SAME SEGMENT AND MOVE IT TO THAT CORE? WHICH IS NEAR THE ROUND ABOUT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT, BUT --

>> WHATEVER THAT SIZE OF LAND IS.

>> I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT, AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT SCENARIOS, BUT, AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THE WALKER STUDY WHERE IT'S JUST PAVE THIS AND PAVE THAT, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO STUFF ALL THE CARS. AND THAT STILL DOESN'T SOLVE OUR DRAINAGE OR LOGISTICAL PROBLEMS GETTING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS PART BY ADDRESSING THE PARKING ON THE ACTUAL RIGHT-OF-WAYS WHERE THEY BELONG AND WE COULD . THIS SOLVES OUR DRAINAGE AND LIGHTING PROBLEM. AND I THINK IF WE INVESTED OUR MONEY, THE SAME WAY WE DID AVENUE D WITH THE $3 MILLION GRANT. SOUTH 8TH STREET, LOOKS FANTASTIC NOW.

YOU LOOK DOWN SOUTH 8TH STREET DOWN DELAWARE IT LOOKS FANTASTIC. AND THESCAPE THEY DID WITH THE TREES AND THE CURBS AND THE PARKING. I THINK IF WE TOOK THAT SAME CONCEPT AND PUT IN THE PABENCHES WITH THE ROYAL PALMS, I THINK THAT WOULD LOOK

GREAT. >> NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS IDEA AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TODAY BECAUSE IT'S SPOT ON. WE JUST HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE LOGISTICS OF IT. I PUT ON MY ENGINEER HAT BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT PIPE NETWORKS AND GOING FROM THIS SEGMENT AND THAT SEGMENT AND HOW DOES IT GO THERE IF IT'S UNDERSIZED. IF WE COULD BUILD A LONGER SECTION, WE HEARD MANY PRESENTATIONS OF WHY HE PICKS SEGMENTS OF ROADS, I'LL RELY ON HIS PROFESSIONAL

KNOWLEDGE TO DO THAT. >> AND AGAIN, I'M SURE IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PHASED OUT.

>> WE WOULD HAVE TO GET INTO THE BASIN AND GET OUT TO DRAIN THE WATER, SO, IT WOULD BE DONE IN PHASES, IT WILL TAKE TIME BUT IF WE START IT NOW, IN FIVE OR SIX YEARS, WE'LL HAVE MOST OF IT

DONE. >> PHENOMENAL VISION.

ABSOLUTELY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AND TO ADD ONTO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, I USED TO LIVE ON HERNANDO IN THAT SECOND BLOCK. AND, SO, WHEN, UM, ARCHIE'S IS HOPPING, SOMETIMES, THE PARKING GOES ALONG HERNANDO BACK THERE BEHIND THERE. AND, SO, I THINK IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING IS MAYBE DO THREE BLOCKS OF HERNANDO, IS THAT WHAT

YOU WERE SAYING WITH THAT? >> THAT'S COMPARED TO TANALYSI

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> AS COMPARED TO THE DIFFERENT HORIZONTAL STREETS OFF A-1-A. IT'S MORE CORE TO ARCHIE'S, IT'S A CORE TO THE ROUND ABOUT. IT'S A CORE TO THE CURRENT BUSINESS

SECTION RIGHT NOW. >> ALL THE WAY DOWN BINNEY.

FROM, SOUTH OCEAN TO SEA WAY, ALL THE WAY DOWN BINNEY, THAT'S A LOT OF PARKING SPOTS. AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT GETS RAINY AND MUDDY, PEOPLE DRIVE ON THE GRASS, THERE'S TIRE TRACKS, IT DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT AND THERE'S MUD FLOWING IN THE STREET. THAT MAYBE A GREAT IDEA, TAKE BINNEY AND DO IT FROM SOUTH OCEAN TO SEE WAY, MAKE THAT PHASE ONE OF IT, IT'S A

BLOCK OFF THE BEACH EVERYWHERE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: BECAUSE IT

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IS EXPENSIVE, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE IN STAGES. AND, SO, WHAT WE COULD DO IS, WORK WITH OUR ENGINEERING AND WITH THE COMMITTEE AND COME UP WITH WHAT THOSE STAGES ARE, BECAUSE, IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S, IT'S, UM, IT'S CREATIVE. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. I MEAN, I SEE WHAT, I SEE THAT YOU'VE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT IN IT AND HONESTLY, I WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT. SO, GOOD JOB ON THE COMMITTEE, VERY GOOD JOB. SO, DO YOU WANT US TO MAKE A -- DO YOU WANT A MOTION ON THE RECOMMENDATION MR. MIMMS? HOW

DO WE PROCEED FROM HERE? >> MADAM CHAIR, I NEED SOME TYPE OF DIRECTION AS TO HOW TO ALLOCATE OUR RESOURCES INTERNALLY. AND WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT THESE ARE BEAUTIFICATION AND ENHANCE MENT PROJECTS. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A PROJECT IT CAN'T JUST BE ABOUT DRAINAGE AND RESERVICES THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ENHANCEMENT OF THE AREA TO IMPROVE THE APPEARANCE, AND THE FUNCTIONALITY AS WELL. SO, I WOULD NEED SOME SORT OF DIRECTION FROM YOU, AND ACTUALLY, ME, PERSONALLY, I LOVE THE IDEA. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE SIDE STREETS COMING OFF A-1-A, BECAUSE, YOU'RE PROVIDING ANSULARY PARKING AND BEACH ACCESS. WE COULD HAVE PAID PARKING AT THE BEACH ACCESS AND THE PARKING THAT YOU HAVE TO WALK TO FOR FREE. I THINK YOU'RE ADDING PARKING, YOU JUST TELL US WHAT YOU NEED AND WE'LL MAKE IT HAPPEN.

>> I HAVE ONE COMMENT. I PERSONALLY AH BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A GREAT IDEA TO INCORPORATE, HOWEVER, I THINK WE NEED A GRAND SCHEME FOR THE AREAS ALL THE WAY UP TO THE JETTY. AND THEN, MOVING SOUTH. AND, CHERRY-PICKING, YOU KNOW, JUST THIS PARTICULAR -- FOR EXAMPLE, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON ON THE LOT OF LAND ADJACENT TO SQUARE GROUPER, WHICH IS A DUST BOWL OF A PARKING LOT. COMMISSIONER SUGGESTED IT CONVERTING IT INTO A PARK. SO, WE HAVE A NET LOSS OF PARKING THAT WOULD BE IN THEORY OFFSET THE PARKING. IF I SUGGEST PAVING THAT LOT AND TURNING IT INTO PARKING BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT PARKING -- AND I RESPECT THAT OPINION BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT PARKING ON A WATERFRONT LOT. BUT, MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS THAT, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CRA CAN CERTAINLY HELP OUT WITH IS MORE OF A GLOBAL APPROACH TO THIS. BECAUSE, WE HAVE THAT CITY-OWNED ASSET. WE HAVE, UM, THE DEMAGGIO PROJECT THAT IS AN ASSET AND WE HAVE THE ON-STREET PARKING THAT PHIL SUGGESTED TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF. I THINK AWFUL THAT NEEDS TO BE THROWN INTO THE HOPPER AN COME UP WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON HOW TO TEAL WITH ALL OF IT. REFERRED TO IT, I KNOW IT'S NOT THE DUST BOWL LOT, BUT, I'LL KEEP PUSHING THAT THEME. YEAH, IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA. SO, WE HAVE A NET GAIN POTENTIALLY OF 69 SPACES BASED ON THAT ANALYSIS AND WE HAVE A NET LOSS DEPENDING ON X-NUMBER OF SPACES. THEORETICALLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SCOPE AS TO HOW TO APPROACH IT AND THEN POTENTIALLY EMPLOY ASSETS. AND THE IDEA HAS A LOT OF POSITIVE TRACTION TO IT AND HOW DO WE COMPENSATE FOR THAT AND THIS PLAN ACTUALLY ACCOMMODATES THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW WE GO ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE, IT'S MORE OF JUST VERSUS JUST SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO CONVERT STREETS INTO ON-STREET PARALLEL PARKING, WE NEED A SCHEME. AND I'M NOT REALLY SURE HOW WE DO THAT. YOU KNOW, DO WE BRING THAT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR ASSISTANCE? ENGINEERING FOR ASSISTANCE, DOES MR. MIMMS

DECIDE? >> I THINK IF YOU TELL US TO DEFINE AREA THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT BEAUTIFICATION, PARKING, ADDITIONAL PARKING, AND MAKE IT PARALLEL PARKING

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CONSISTENT WITH THE DESIGN WHICH HAS BEEN PRESENTED TODAY, I THINK WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK, THERE'S NO, UM, TRUE STUDY THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE.

ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS UTILIZING OUR EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND IMPROVING IT WITH LANDSCAPING AND ADDITIONAL M PARKING. THIS WILL BASICALLY HELP THE ENTIRE AREA. THIS RIGHT HERE, I THINK THIS IS

ACTUALLY GOOD PLANNING. >> I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT.

>> MR. THOMPSON DID GOOD. HE DID GOOD.

>> [LAUGHTER] >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE AGREE.

DOES THE FPRA GOES TO GULF STREAM, IS THAT ONLY GULF

STREAM, ISN'T THAT RIGHT? >> IT'S TWO BLOCKS FROM MY

HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW. >> MAYOR HUDSON: RIGHT.

RIGHT. RIGHT. >> MAYOR?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES? >> I THINK THE AREA OF INFLUENCE AND EVALUATION WOULD BE SOUTHERLY AT GULF STREAM, IT'S NOT ON THE MAP, BUT, JUST EVALUATE. BECAUSE, WE HAVE TO EVALUATE FROM GULF STREAM, EASTERLY OF A-1-A, AND PROBABLY UP TO FERNANDINA. BOUND BY SEA WAY DRIVE. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND SPENT A LOT OF EFFORT. IT'S REALLY BINNEY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BINNEY, IT'S REALLY BINNEY.

>> THE AREA OF BOUNDARY AND INFLUENCE WOULD START THAT SQUARE BLOCK, I WOULD THINK. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

>> I JUST THINK THAT THE DAYS OF 3-FOOT DEEP GULLIES ON THE SIDES OF THE ROAD FILL SHALL UP WITH WATER, TO ME, THAT'S VERY, VERY, DANGEROUS. YOU CAN'T SEE AT NIGHT, NO LIGHTS. I CAN'T IMAGINE HOW MANY ISSUES PEOPLE HAVE HAD BECAUSE OF THE GULLIES.

THAT SHOULD ALL BE PIPED, THE SIDEWALKS AND CURBS SHOULD GO IN. AND I THINK THAT YOU'LL SEE THE WHOLE AREA, EVERYBODY WILL TAKE PRIDE IN WHAT THEY HAVE, GET THE ROYAL PALMS UP THERE, I JUST THINK IT'S JUST ACHING FOR IT RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING. IT SOLVES A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS, LIKE, I SAID, THE PARKING, THE DRAINAGE, THE LOGISTICS. YOU KNOW, INSTEAD OF PAVING AND BUILDING $8 MILLION STRUCTURE, EVERYBODY'S GOING TO SEE THIS. WHEREAS, IF YOU BUILT AN $8 MILLION STRUCTURE IN ONE SPOT, NOW, ALL OF A SUDDEN, EVERYTHING IS CLEANED UP IN FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE, WHEN THEY PUT THEIR PALES OUT THEY DON'T WASH AWAY FROM THE RAIN, THEY CAN WALK WITH THEIR BABY'S CARRIAGE, AND THEY CAN WALK IN THE NIGHT IN THE DARK AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING HIT BY SOME CRAZY GUY WITH A CORAL REEF TRUCK IN THE MORNING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THAT WAS VERY SPECIFIC.

[LAUGHTER] (INDISTINCT CHATTER)

>> ALL OF A SUDDEN, BOOK, THERE'S SOMEBODY IN FRONT OF YOUR TRUCK, IT'S DANGEROUS BECAUSE THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS FOR

THEM TO WALK ON IN ALL FAIRNESS. >> THE AREA OF INFLUENCE, THE THING THAT I ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND, WHILE OUR CITY DESIGN STANDARDS ALLOWED WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, 3-FOOT DEEP SWELLS, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHERE ELSE, RIGHT? SO, WE HAVE CURB AND GUTTER IN OUR SPECIFICATION. BUT, THE OTHER PART OF IT IS THAT WE HAVE TO TREAT OUR LAGOON WITH CARE AND WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE STORM WATER AT THE SAME TIME WHILE BALANCING, EVERYTHING THAT YOU JUST SAID WE HAVE TO BALANCE STORM WATER TREATMENT. WE CAN'T JUST PIPE IT. IT'S EASY TO PIPE IT AND SAY, WELL, IT WENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S EASY TO DO THAT. EASIEST DESIGNS IN THE WORLD, RIGHT? MR. MIMMS HAVE DONE MILES AND MILES OF PIPELINE. BUT, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE ULTIMATE EFFECT, THAT'S WHERE THE IF THEY HAVE AN INFLUENCE AREA, THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF MAPS AND PIPES

AND HOW THEY WILL TREAT IT. >> PUT IT IN THE GROUND WHERE IT BELONGS. AND REALLY, ON DESOTO STREET, WE WER SUPPOSED TO HAVE SWELLS ALL ALONG, BUT, I DON'T WANT IT, SO, I PIPED IT UNDERNEATH AND THE BASIN THAT WE JUST PUT IN ON FRANCIS, THAT'S AN EX-FILTRATION TRENCH. PUT IN THOSE GRILLS AND THE PAVING AND SIDEWALK ON TOP, JUST A THOUGHT, IF WE FOLLOWED THAT STANDARD, IT WOULD BE A MUCH MORE PEDESTRIAN-SAFE ENVIRONMENT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SO, WHAT WANTS TO MAKE THE MOTION?

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> GO\AHEAD.

>> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE CCITY ENGINEERING

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DEPARTMENT COMMENCE WITH AN ANALYSIS BASED ON THIS PRELIMINARY REPORT TO SEE WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS ARE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: AND DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A SCOPE? GEOGRAPHY

OR NOT. >> NORTH OF GULF STREAM.

>> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. AND THEN, I'LL IF THE QUESTION IS, HE MENTIONED THE REPORT SPECIFICALLY, SO, THE REPORT INCLUDES BINNEY DRIVE, HERNANDO, GULF STREAM, SO, HE AUTHORIZED STAFF TO TAKE THE BOUNDARIES. HE JUST DIDN'T GO OVER TO FERNANDINA. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. MR. MIMMS IS IT CLEAR?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I NEED CLARIFICATION.

>> I'M NOT CLEAR. >> YOU'RE NOT CLEAR?

>> NICK, WHAT WOULD YOU SUGGEST IN THE MOTION TO CLEAR IT UP?

>> HOW ABOUT THIS, HOW ABOUT WE JUST, UM, YOU DIRECT STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN EVALUATION FOR ON-STREET PARKING AND PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SOUTH BEACH, AREA, BETWEEN, LET'S SAY SEA WAY DRIVE TO THE NORTH AND THEN, THE GULF STREAM,

TO THE SOUTH. >> THAT'S MY MOTION.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHAT HE SAID.

>> WHAT HE SAID. >> SECOND.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> STAFF, YOU'RE COMING BACK WITH TAKING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CRA AND THE PICTURES, YOU'LL COME BACK WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVELY LOOKED AT AREA

THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY. LET'S VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> COMMISSIONER IT GAINES? >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> YES.

[e. Overview of Commercial Sign Grant Program]

>> CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM.

>>> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE AN OVERVIEW OF THE COMMERCIAL SIGN

GRANT PROGRAM. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS.

>> AT THIS TIME WE HAVE REDEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST, MS. GARCIA THAT WILL COME AND TALK WITH US ABOUT OUR SIGN GRANT PROGRAM. AND WAIT UNTIL YOU HEAR THE TECHNICAL TERM THAT SHE USES FOR SIGNS. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PROGRAM WHICH WILL HELP, AGAIN, OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ALSO THE APPEARANCE UP AND DOWN

OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS. >> GOOD EVENING.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD EVENING, AND WELCOME.

>> MEMBERS OF THE FPRA, I'M EXCITED TO INTRODUCE THE COMMERCIAL DESIGN PROGRAM, AS YOU KNOW THE PREVIOUS PROGRAM THAT WE HAD, THE PAINT PROGRAM WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT PROGRAM AND WE STILL ARE. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AS SMALL AS PAINT HAS MADE SUCH A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN OUR COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. OUR, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SO, WE'RE EXCITED TO INTRODUCE THIS NEW PROGRAM. AS PART OF THE COMMITMENT OF THE FPRA TO INCREASE LOCAL BUSINESS AWARENESS, ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY, AND, THEN, THE OVERALL VISUAL APPEAL OF THE FPRA. SO, WE'RE EXCITED TO INTRODUCE THIS PROGRAM. AS YOU KNOW, ANY EXPENDITURES FROM THE FPRA MUST BE IN OUR FPRA PLAN.

THIS GRANT PROGRAM, MEETS GOALS SEVEN AND NINE OF THE FPRA PLAN.

ANY BUSINESS LOCATED WITHIN THE FPRA DISTRICT WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS COMMERCIAL SIGN GRANT PROGRAM AND THE INTENT OF THE PROGRAM IS TO ENCOURAGE THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO INSTALL NEW OR UPGRADED EXISTING SIGNAGE REPLACING OLD AND OUTDATED SIGNS WITH MORE MODERN AND VISUALLY APPEALING PERMANENT SIGNS. THE PROGRAM OFFERS FINANCIAL ASSIST TENSE THROUGH A REIMBURSABLE GRANT OF UP TO $5,000. AND I PLAN TO LAUNCH THIS PROGRAM WITHIN THE NEXT 7-10 DAYS. THE APPLICATION PROCESS WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE PAINT PROGRAM, SO, IT WILL BE A QUICK TURN AROUND TIME. IT WILL WORK THE SAME WAY, FUNDS DISPERSED ON A FIRST-COME-FIRST-SERVE BASIS. WE HAVE ABOUT $15,000 LEFTOVER FROM THE PAINT PROGRAM, SO, WE COULD USE SOME OF THOSE FUNDS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR AND WE HAVE $100,000 ALLOCATED FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR THE PAINT AND FOR THIS SIGN GRANT PROGRAM.

THE APPLICANT WILL SIGN THE APPLICATION, WITH A PHOTO AND A SKETCH OF THE SIGN AND THE ESTIMATE. ONCE IT IS DETERMINED THAT THE SIGN THEY WANT TO INSTALL IS ELIGIBLE, WE'LL LET

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THEM KNOW THEY CAN PROCEED WITH THE PROJECT, THEY WILL SUBMIT RECEIPTS WITH PHOTOS AND CLOSED PROGRESS OF THEIR WORK AND WE WILL SUBMIT IT FOR REIMBURSEMENT. THE WAY THAT WE'LL CONTACT BUSINESS OWNERS IS THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, PRESS RELEASE, E-MAILS, WE'LL GO DOOR TO DOOR ALSO, OFFERING OUR FLIERS, AND INFORMING THE BUSINESS OWNERS. WE'VE DONE MAILING LETTERS IN THE MAIL IN THE PAST WHICH HAS WORKED AS WELL. WE'LL ATTEND TTHE ORANGE AVENUE CORRIDOR ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, AS WELL AS THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ALLIANCE MEETINGS AND IT WILL BE INTRODUCED AT THE SMALL BUSINESS PATHWAY PROGRAM SESSIONS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, CURRENTLY, WHEN THEY'RE OUT IN THE FIELD, THEY HAND OUT MY BUSINESS CARD IF THEY SEE THERE'S A HOME THAT NEEDS SOME PAINT. SO, THEY WILL GIVE THEM MY BUSINESS CARD AND AS SOON AS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER LEAVES THE SITE, I USUALLY GET A PHONE CALL FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER INQUIRING ABOUT THE PROGRAM. SO, WE'VE HAD A GREAT PARTNERSHIP SO FAR AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. >> MS. GARCIA, THANK YOU FOR THAT. COULD YOU PUT UP THE MAP, PLEASE. AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU MADE THAT LAST COMMENT. I HAD A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS WHICH IS IN THIS ZONING MAP HERE. AND, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND BOARD IS THAT WE START WITH THOSE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT MAY HAVE SUSTAINED DAMAGE DUE TO HURRICANES OR HIGH WIND GUSTS, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ENTITIES THAT I LEARNED ABOUT BECAUSE THE BUSINESS OWNERS TALKED TO ME ABOUT, I GUESS THEY WERE FINED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE OF DAMAGE TO THEIR RESPECTIVE SIGNS, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WE DID THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, UNTIL HE BROUGHT IT TO MY ATTENTION. I HEARD $15,000 IS IN THIS POTENTIAL REA OF, TO FIX THIS, RIGHT?

>> CORRECT. AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER $100,000 FOR THE

UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. >> WHEN DOES THAT START?

>> OCTOBER 1ST. >> OKAY. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE, THEY WERE THEY'RE ALREADY IN BAD SHAPE AND THE STORM FURTHER DILAPIDATED THE SIGNS AND THEY'RE INCURRING FEES AN AT LEAST FROM A STAND POINT OF AWARENESS THAT THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM AND ASSISTANCE CAN HELP WITH THAT. AND AS I'VE LEARNED IT IS OUR CODING TO HAVE THESE SIGNS VISIBLE SO THAT PEOPLE CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE WHAT'S THERE AND KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING ET CETERA. SO, I WANTED TO BRING UP THAT POINT BECAUSE I WAS UNAWARE OF THAT, THAT WE HAVE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN OUR CITY THAT ARE RIGHT NOW HAVING CHALLENGES WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEIR SIGNS HAVE BEEN BLOWN DOWN OR TORN UP. SO, I THINK THIS IS TIMELY, I REALLY LIKE THAT, AND OBVIOUSLY GETTING THE WORD OUT. WE HAVE AN ENCOMPASSING CRA ZONE ON U.S.-1, AND THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I THINK THIS IS EXCELLENT AND I'LL DO EVERYTHING THAT I CAN.

PARTICULARLY, I'LL GO TO THIS ONE OWNER AND INFORMING THEM ABOUT THIS PROGRAM PERSONALLY, BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING WHICH

WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. >> MAYOR HUDSON: BUT, YOU COULD ALSO CHECK WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT, TOO, WOULDN'T YOU?

>> IF STAFF COULD THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN FINED AN IDENTIFIED, I THINK WE SHOULD START WITH THEM AT THE TOP OF THE LIST TO BE SURE THEY GET THIS INFORMATION FIRST.

>> YES, SIR. >> MAYOR HUDSON: GOOD IDEA.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD IDEA. I HAVE A QUESTION, THAT'S GEORGIA AVENUE AT THE SOUTH, RIGHT?

>> RIGHT. >> WHAT IS THE CARVE OUT BY 33

STREET, >> IT GOES TO AVENUE Q AND

THERE'S A CARVE OUT, OF S OR T. >> MAYOR HUDSON: NO, TO THE

WEST. >> PETERSON IS DOWN BELOW HERE.

SO, THERE'S. IT GOES BACK TO PETERSON ROAD AND 33RD. THERE'S A CARVE-OUT HERE. THAT'S A GOOD DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS

MR. MIMMS? >> IT'S COUNTY PROPERTY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: PROBABLY. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES, SIR. >> SO, MY QUESTION IS, IN THE OVERVIEW SLIDE IF YOU COULD GO BACK, IT HAD THE THREE COLORS, THE THREE BULLET POINTS, IT SAYS TO INSTALL NEW AND UPGRADED

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SIGNAGE. DEFINE NEW. >> NEW, IF THEY WANT TO INSTALL A NEW FREE-STANDING SIGN OR IF IT'S ON THE WALL, IT HAS TO BE A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, IT CANNOT BE TEMPORARY.

>> I WANT TO BE CAREFUL WITH HOW WE DEFINE NEW, I WANT IT TO BE FOR EXISTING. NUMBER ONE. I THINK, MY EVALUATION, THIS IS ABOUT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUSINESSES. IF YOU HAVE A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING THROUGH TOWN, THAT'S SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT. IT COMES THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS AND POTENTIALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS, I WANT TO BE SURE THAT'S CLEAR IN THE DISCUSSION.

>> I DO HAVE THAT IN NEW BUSINESS CONSTRUCTION OR NEW DEVELOPMENT IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM, JUST EXISTING

BUSINESSES. >> AND ALL SIGNS, UPGRADES OR NEW ON EXISTING PROPERTIES HAVE TO MEET THE CURRENT CITY CODES,

CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BECAUSE, REMEMBER WE HAD THAT CHURCH THAT ORDERED THE SIGN THAT WASN'T, THAT DIDN'T MEET THE CODE AND SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEBODY ORDERS A NEW SIGN THAT THEY UNDERSTAND IT'S GOT TO MATCH WHAT WE REQUIRE.

>> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING THROUGH, BECAUSE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS, EVEN WITH THE PERMITTING AND THE ZONING CODE, SO, WE JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE BEING FOLLOWED.

>> MADAM CHAIR? >> MAYOR HUDSON: YES.

>> SOMETHING POPPED INTO MIND, OWNERS THAT HAVE MAYBE MULTIPLE BUSINESSES. TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT AND THE PROCESS, I KNOW IT'S UP TO $5,000. SO, WOULD IT BE OKAY IF THEY HAD SIGNS $1,000 EACH AND THEY HAD 5 PROPERTIES, ARE THEY STILL ELIGIBLE FOR THAT. I DO KNOW GUYS WHO HAVE MULTIPLE PROPERTIES LOOKING FOR

SIGNAGE. >> WE'LL LOOK FOR PARCEL ID.

IF YOU HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT PARCELS, AND YOU NEED SIGNS

REPLACED, THEN, YES. >> IS IT $5,000 FOR EACH PARCEL

OR $5,000 TOTAL? >> IT'S FOR EACH PARCEL.

>> $5,000 PER PROPERTY PER PARCEL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: VERY GOOD. WOULD YOU LIKE A MOTION ON THIS MR. MIMMS? IF WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. WOULD SOMEONE, IF THERE'S NO OTHER COMMENTS I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS COMMERCIAL SIGN

GRANT PROGRAM. >> SECOND.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND, CALL THE

ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON?

[f. Discussion on the terms within the surplus property development agreement template which has been drafted for utilization during the sale of FPRA property. ]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> CHAIRMAN HUDSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE TERMS WITHIN THE SURPLUS PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT TEMPLATE DRAFTED FOR UTILIZATION DURING THE SALE OF FPRA PROPERTY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS. >> THIS IS OUR CURRENT INTERIM

CITY ATTORNEY, SARAH HEDGES. >> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SO, WE DRAFTED FOR YOU A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, IT'S BASICALLY ATT TEMPLATE. FOR EA SALE OF THE PROPERTY AN ACTUAL SALE WILL COME TO YOU FOR A VOTE. YOU'LL SEE EACH FINAL VERSION OF THAT AGREEMENT FOR JOUR ACTUAL VOTE. BUT, BASED ON THE DISCUSSIONS THAT HAD OCCURRED PREVIOUSLY WITH THIS BOARD, I THINK SOME OF THE MAIN TERMS THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU ALL, UM, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE THAT'S BEEN INCLUDED. SO, THE PERSON WHO IS BUYING THIS PROPERTY HAS 60 DAYS FROM THE TIME THAT TITLE IS CONVEYED TO THEM TO, PULL ANY PERMITS OR APPROVALS THAT ARE REQUIRED. SO, THAT IS A 60-DAY REQUIREMENT. THEY THEN HAVE 120 DAYS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION.

AND THEN WITHIN 1 YEAR OF OBTAINING ALL OF THEIR REQUIRED APPROVALS AND BUILDING PERMITS, THEY HAVE TO COMPLETE THEIR CONSTRUCTION. SO, ALL OF THIS HAS TO BE DONE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE BID THAT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED. THERE ARE PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW FOR WHEN THE AGREEMENT IS BREACHED TO INCLUDE YOUR DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE FOR US TO RETAKE THAT PROPERTY, IT ALLOWS FOR US TO RETAIN THE PURCHASE PRICE THAT WAS PAID FOR THAT PROPERTY THERE ARE TERMS, A COVENANT RUNNING WITH THE LAND.

SO, IF A PERSON WHO HAS PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY ENDS UP SELLING IT, THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, TIME LINE AND EVERYTHING IN IT WILL RUN WITH THAT SALE. SO, IT BINDS ANY

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FUTURE PURCHASERS OF THAT ARE PROPERTY. THOSE ARE THE MAIN TOPICS THAT I THINK ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT YOU WERE ALL HAVING.

SO, REALLY THIS IS A DISCUSSION TO BE SURE THAT THIS AGREEMENT HAS INCLUDED EVERYTHING THAT YOU WANT AND YOU DON'T WANT TO ADJUST ANY TIMELINES. BUT, AGAIN, AS EACH ONE COMES BEFORE

YOU, YOU'LL SEE THIS AGAIN. >> MAYOR HUDSON: QUESTIONS?

COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> I THINK THAT THE PROPOSITION IS EXACTLY AS WE HAD DISCUSSED. I SEE ONE PROBLEM WITH THE TIMELINE, IS IF I ACQUIRED PROPERTY TODAY, NOW, IT'S A BID PROCESS. IN THE BID PROCESS, BECAUSE, THERE'S MULTIPLE PARTIES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND MONEY ON SOFT COSTS LIKE ARCHITECTURAL ENGINEERING ET CETERA, TO GEAR UP AND DO THE WORK. SO, THE TIMELINE STARTS FROM THE DATE THAT THE BID IS AWARDED AND IN ESSENCE THAT'S THE CONVEYANCE DATE AND THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF LAG TIME THERE. AND COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON MAYBE ABLE TO SHED MORE LIGHT ON THIS. BUT, I THINK 60 DAY SUNSHINE TOO TIGHT A TIMELINE FOR THEM TO BE COMING OUT OF THE GROUND. BECAUSE, KEEP IN MIND, YOU HAVE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, ENGINEERING, ARCH ARCHITECTURAL ET CETERA, TH REALISTICALLY GOING TO BE A BLOCK OF TIME. PERMITTING IS A BLOCK OF TIME. SOME OF THESE DATES ARE NOT READILY AVAILABLE IN FRONT OF US, BUT, I BELIEVE FAIL YOU'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TO DESIGN, PERMIT, AND SHOVEL IN THE GROUND, 60 DAYS WILL NOT BE ENOUGH. 120 DAYS OF CONSTRUCTION, SORRY, WAS THAT 120 DAYS IN ADDITION TO THE 60?

>> YEAH. SO, ONCE THEY RECEIVE THE APPROVALS FOR THE BUILDING PERMITS THEY HAVE 120 DAYS TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION. YES, SIR.

>> WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT ADJUSTING THAT AS WELL. I WOULD JUST THROW OUT THAT I THINK THE 60 DAY SUNSHINE TOO TIGHT A TIMELINE, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ADJUST THAT. COMMISSIONER

JOHNSON WHAT HE IS YOUR INPUT? >> SO, MY HEARTBURN IS A-B AND C WHICH IS THE DEVELOPMENT TIMELINE. AND THAT'S OKAY.

BECAUSE, I BELIEVE A LOT OF THE PROJECTS IN THE SURPLUS PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS LIKENED TORE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS. WE HAD SOME CONTRACTS NOT FULFILLING THE OBLIGATION OF 180 DAYS OR 150 DAYS, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH WITH A FEW PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THOSE TIME PERIODS. SO, THE FORMAT AND THE FIT OF THIS DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT, OR, SURPLUS PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS PERFECT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE SHOULDN'T BE MORE NIMBLE IN NOT FILLING IN THOSE BREAKS TIMELINE BASED ON THE PROPERTY. I DON'T REMEMBER HOW LONG IT TOOK THEM TO REDEVELOP THAT FACEPRA PROPERTY BUT, IT TOOK A LONG TIME BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY SIGNIFICANT PROJECT AND THEY BROUGHT MULTIPLE COMPONENTS OF REDEVELOPMENT AND RECONSTRUCTING THAT BUILDING AND IT TOOK AWHILE. I WENT TO THE FIRST DAY THAT HE STARTED AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN I WENT BACK BUT IT WAS AWHILE AFTER BUT IT WAS A VERY BIG ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR TAKING A VACANT PROPERTY AND MOVING IT INTO A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. SO, ARE WE TALKING SPECIFICALLY, MS. HEDGES ABOUT RESIDENTIAL VERSUS COMMERCIAL OR ARE WE JUST TALKING ABOUT FPRA SURPLUS IN GENERAL WITH THIS

FORMAT, RIGHT? >> YES, SIR. AND IN SPEAKING WITH STAFF, THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT CAME UP. WE CAN ADJUST THEM HOWEVER YOU SEE FIT. WHAT WE COULD ALSO DO IF YOU PREFER, THESE NUMBERS COULD BE LEFT BLANK FOR STAFF, BASED ON THE PROJECT TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE NUMBER FOR THAT PROJECT. THEN, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE A VOTE FOR THE BOARD AS TO WHAT THE NUMBERS FOR THE PROJECT ARE. THOSE WHAT YOU WANT GENERALLY OR SPECIFICALLY FOR A PROJECT.

>> YEAH, SO, THE MORE SPECIFIC WE GET WITH THE DAYS, THE MORE WE'RE LOCKING OURSELVES IN. THE FPRA OWNS PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE DYNAMIC IN NATURE. THAT COULD BECOME A SINGLE-FAMILY BASED ON ZONING, THEY MIGHT TURN INTO A COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY AND IT WILL TAKE LONGER THAN THOSE TIMEFRAMES, I

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COULD PROMISE YOU. JUST GETTING THROUGH THE CITY'S PROCESS.

>> I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE LA LATITUDE WE CAN FILL IN THE BLANKS ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS. AND I DON'T WANT TO SCARE POTENTIAL BIDDERS BY PUTTING IN AN ARBITRARY TIME STAMP THAT THEY NEED TO EXECUTE, XY AND Z, BECAUSE THEY MAY THROW UP THEIR HANDS AND SAY, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF BRINGING IT BACK TO THIS BODY FOR DISCUSSION AND INPUT AND COME UP WITH A WORKABLE TIMELINE WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE TO ALL THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROJECT.

STAFF WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH THE APPLICANT, GET THEIR INPUT AND BRING IT BACK TO US. AND WE'LL KNOW IF WE'RE GETTING SOLD A TIMELINE THAT'S SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. I LIKE THE IDEA, JEREMIAH, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE COULD TEST IT AND SEE HOW THE SYSTEM WORKSMENT SO, I CERTAINLY

ADVOCATE YOUR SUGGESTION THERE. >> MADAM CHAIR?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YEAH? >> SO, I'M UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT. OUR MAIN GOAL WHEN WE GOT TO THIS, IS THAT WE HAD UNDEVELOPED, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THAT'S IN THE FPRA RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LIKE FOR US, ASIDE FROM COMMERCIAL OR WHATEVER, I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE AS MUCH GUIDANCE ABOUT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, INFILL DEVELOPMENT FOR HOUSING, CRITICAL NEED HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY AT AN AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE PRICE. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN GIVE SOME LEEWAY, WHAT MAKES ME NERVOUS IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME HERE AND SIT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AND ADJUST NUMBERS AND GO BACK AND FORTH MOST OF THE NIGHT ON WHAT WE THINK IS THERE. I THINK THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GIVE US GENERAL GUIDANCE, AND OUTSIDE OF THAT, IF THERE'S CHALLENGES TO THAT AND ABNORMALS THAT COME, AND THINGS HAPPEN, YES, WE CAN ADJUST, BUT, TO COME IN AND FILL IN THE BLANKS ON WHAT I'M HEARING ON THESE NUMBERS, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TRY AND GET IT RIGHT TO GIVE GENERAL GUIDANCE, AND IF PEOPLE CAN'T AND PUSH BACK, WE COULD ADJUST. BUT, TO GIVE A BLANK SLATE, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK FOR UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY IN THE URBAN CORE WHICH IS DOING NONE OF US GOOD BECAUSE IT'S SET ON THE TAX ROLL. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE PROPERTY PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR AND WE HAVE NOTHING DONE AND IT'S COMING UP ON A YEAR AND-A-HALF. AND THAT IS MY EARN CAN. I APPLAUD STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS, BECAUSE, WE ASKED FOR THIS AND WE WANTED THIS. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BUCKLE DOWN AND SET A PRECEDENT AND PUT IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT CAN GO FAST, WILL GO FAST TO HELP US BUILD THIS URBAN CORE. AND THAT IS MY CONCERN WHEN I HEAR THAT. NOW, COMMERCIAL, I GET YOU, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF MY ZONE. OKAY. BUT, RESIDENTIAL HOUSING WHERE THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HOUSES ONCE SAT ON THESE PROPERTIES IN THE URBAN CORE THAT HAVE SINCE THEN BEEN TORN DOWN OR BURNED DOWN ET CETERA. IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT LONG AND WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. SO, I DO NOT, BUT, THINK THAT BASED ON SOME EXPERTISE HERE, YOU COULD GIVE ME SOMETHING THAT I COULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE, AS OPPOSED WE'LL GIVE THEM A BLANK AND WE'LL DECIDE FROM THAT. IF YOU SAY, HEY, MY BEST ESTIMATE IS A PERSON THAT BUILDS STUFF, 160, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, I THINK I CAN GET THERE EASIER.

>> I WANT RESIDENTIAL/URBAN CORE BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET OUR URBAN CORE GOING. WE KEEP SAYING THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THIS WAREHOUSE SPACE OUT WEST WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK, THEY NEED PLACES TO LIVE AND I DO NOT WANT PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF FORT PIERCE WHEN ALL OF THESE INDUSTRY JOBS COME HERE AND THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE ANYMORE. FOR ME, WE HAVE TO GET SOME HOUSES GOING. AND THERE'S CREATIVITY OUT THERE, WE NEED

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TO TAP INTO IT AND GET STUFF BUILT TO PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN HOUSES AND RAISE THEIR FAMILIES AND DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN

OUR COMMUNITY. >> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, AND MAYBE I DIDN'T SAY IT THE WAY I WANTED TO SAY IT.

THE BLANK SLATE, IT'S NOT GOING TO COME TO THIS BOARD BLANK, ZERO, THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF WILL BE FILLING IN THE BLANKS AND THE ATTORNEY'S GOING TO REVIEW IT AND IT WILL COME TO US WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR PART A, 60 CALENDAR DAYS, PART B, 160 DAYS, PART C, ONE OR TWO YEARS TO GO YOUR COO OF THE BUILDING.

WHATEVER, BECAUSE, THE BUILDING CONSTRUCTION IS VERY DYNAMIC. I CAN HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT LOTS WITH DIFFERENT ORIENTATIONS OF THE HOUSE, WHERE THE ARCHITECT OR THE ENGINEERING GROUP, IF THEY HAVE 60 DAYS TO GET A SUBMISSION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, IT COULD BE A GARAGE LEFT, IT COULD BE A GARAGE RIGHT, IT COULD BE THE POWER POLE IS COMING IN HERE, THE WEATHER HEAD COMING IN HERE. WHICH CAUSES, A REVERB WHERE THE GARAGE OR THE BEDROOM HAS TO SWITCH OR THE ELECTRIC PANEL NEEDS TO BE REDESIGNED. YOU HAVE AN ARCHITECT, AN ELECTRICAL DESIGNER AND THEY HAVE TO COORDINATE, AND IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY HAVE TO DO IT IN 60 DAYS, I'M TELLING YOU I CAN DO IT, BUT, EVERY PROJECT IS DIFFERENT, IT'S TOUGH. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD PUT A NUMBER ON IT, BUT, I RELY ON OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF TO SAY, IT'S A MID BLOCK LOT IT COULD BE A GARAGE LEFT OR RIGHT, AND IT'S STRAIGHT FORWARD. BUT, IF IT'S AT THE CORNER AND WE'RE SELLING THAT SURPLUS PROPERTY, IT COULD BE A DRIVEWAY ON THIS STREET OR THAT STREET, BASED ON THE UTILITY POLLS. IT'S DYNAMIC. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THEM COMING TO US WITH A TIMELINE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I THINK

THAT'S WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING. >> WHAT I DON'T WANT IT. MAYBE

I MISUNDERSTOOD. >> I DIDN'T CLARIFY.

>> SO, WE'RE PUTTING IT ON PROFESSIONAL STAFF. SO, THAT'S BUILDING DEPARTMENT GUYS? WHO IS THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF COMING TO US? WHOSE COORDINATING THAT TO BRING IT TO US.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WHO WOULD BE HAVING THE INPUT ON THAT?

>> IT STARTS IN THE FPRA, SO, MR. MIMMS, WHAT STAFF MEMBER?

>> >> THIS IS AN FPRA ISSUE, TYPICALLY, WHEN WE HAVE A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY, WE WOULD DO A BID AND FROM THE BID WE WOULD HAVE A PROPOSAL, AND THAT PROPOSAL WILL DETAIL WHAT TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION, THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, AND ALSO, I THINK IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MEASURE JUST TO PUT A TIMELINE REQUIREMENT IN THE BID. AND FROM THAT INFORMATION, WE CAN PUT THAT INFORMATION INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, AND, FROM THERE, WE MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT AND IF THEY D NOT ADHERE TO THEY ARE PROGRESS, THEN, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR TAKE BACK PROVISIONS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THEY HAVE PUT FORTH THE TIMELINE IN THE

BID? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE EASIEST THING, I MEAN, TRUTHFULLY, EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT. EVERY PARCEL'S CON FIGURED DIFFERENTLY, EVERY TYPE OF STRUCTURE IS HANDLED DIFFERENTLY. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AVAILABILITY OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS. SO, I THINK THE PUT

THE ONUS ON THE PROPOSER. OKAY. >> THAT IS MY SUGGESTION. I

DON'T THINK ONE SIZE FITS ALL. >> SO, THE PROPOSER, NOW, IS TELLING US, IN THEIR APPLICATION TO SEEK TO WIN THIS BID, RIGHT, WHAT THEY CAN DO AND THAT'S IN THE TIME. SO, THAT FACTORS INTO THEIR PROCESS OF THEY MAY OR MAY NOT WIN THE BID, RIGHT? THEY'RE COMMITTED TO THAT TIMELINE AND WHEN THEY DON'T DO IT, IT

REVERTS BACK. >> I GOT A REVERT IN THERE, BECAUSE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH AND DONE THIS AND EXTENDED, I SAW THE REVERTER, I SAW THAT AND I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. THE PART I NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT IS THE LAND PART. IF I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND I WAON THE BID ANDI WANT TO SELL IT TO SOMEBODY ELSE, THAT PERSON THAT'S BUYING THAT PROPERTY, HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE UNDER SUCH CLAUSE AND SCRUTINY TO GET THIS STUFF DONE BECAUSE ALL OF THAT WILL BE CONVEYED TO THEM. WE HAD THAT THE OTHER NIGHT, WHEN SOMEBODY BOUGHT PROPERTY AND DIDN'T THE THE PROPERTY.

>> YES, SIR. SO, THERE'S A REQUIREMENT THAT THIS BE FILED

IN THE PUBLIC RECORDS. >> OKAY.

>> SO, IT WILL BE FILED WITH THE PUBLIC RECORDS. THEY WILL SEE THAT WILL THIS WHILE THAT PROCESS IS HAPPENING. AS LONG

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AS THEY'RE GOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, OBVIOUSLY.

>> I THINK THAT HAS BEEN TIED UP. BECAUSE, WE JUST SAT HERE THE OTHER NIGHT AND SOMEBODY BOUGHT PROPERTY AND THEY DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A LIEN ON THAT PROPERTY.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: THEY ACQUIRED IT.

>> ACQUIRED IT, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHO IS TO SAY THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN HERE. STUFF HAPPENS, RIGHT? I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING OURSELVES AND I DON'T HAVE TO

DEAL WITH THAT AGAIN. >> SO, I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND IS WHAT YOU'RE SUGGEST AND BOTH COMMISSIONER JOHNSONS ARE SUGGESTING IS THAT WE PUT IT OUT TO BID WITH BLANK. YOU SAY, FILL IN THE BLANK WHEN WILL YOU SECURE YOUR PERMITS AND PLANS SUBMITTED. FILL IN THE BLANK AS TO WHEN CONSTRUCTION WILL BE STARTING AND DONE. THOSE REALTIME DATES THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THEM TO FILL IN AND THAT BECOMES THEN, ONE OF THE DETERMINING FACTORS IN AWARDING THE BID.

>> OKAY. >> IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING

WITH THAT. >> IN ADDITION TO PRICE.

>> SO, THAT IS NOW A VERY TANGIBLE PART OF THE SALE.

>> OKAY. >> AND THEN, THE REVERTER, F THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT. AND, THEN, IF THE PROPERTY SELLS, THOSE DEVELOPMENT RESPONSIBILITIES SHIFT TO THE NEW BUYER AND THAT INFORMATION WILL THEN BE IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE. AND THIS IS SIMPLY A CASE OF BIER BEWARE, IF THEY BUY PROPERTY AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN THE CHAIN OF TITLE, I

HAVE NO SYMPATHY. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WELL T DOES

HAPPEN. >> IT CERTAINLY DOES, THAT'S WHY YOU HAMMER ON THE GOING TO THE TITLE COMPANY AND FIGURE IT OUT. SO, I AGREE WITH THAT ASSESSMENT. FILL IN THE BLANC, IT BECOMES PART OF THE ASSESSMENT OF THE BID. AND, YES, I THINK THAT'S A VERY WORKABLE SCENARIO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES. I GET EVERYTHING. AND, I'M TRYING TO LET ME BE THE ONE TO THROW IN THIS MONKEY WRENCH.

>> REALLY? >> I GOT TO DO IT.

>> DO IT. >> I HEAR EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS.

RIGHT, AND I'M TO NOT THE FIRST OWNER, BUT, THE SECOND OWNER, THE SECOND OWNER COMES IN AND HE OR SHE IS READY TO DO IT. BUT, THEY CAN'T DO IT, BECAUSE, WHATEVER THE TIMELINE IS LEFTOVER FROM THE ORIGINAL IS GOING TO PREVENT HIM SO THAT COULD STOP A POTENTIAL BUILDING GOING UP BECAUSE OF THIS TIMELINE. SO, WHERE ARE WE? WHERE ARE WE THERE, DO WE HAVE THEM COME IN AND SAY, GIVE ME AN EXTRA 30 DAYS OR THEY SAY NO BECAUSE THE FIRST CONTRACTOR CAN'T DO IT. THIS PERSON SAYING HE CAN DO IT BUT HE CAN'T DO IT WITH WHATEVER THE DAYS LEFT IS.

SO, NOW, DO WE STOP A SALE OR DO WE EXTEND IT? AND IF WE EXTEND IT, DOES IT KEEP EXTENDED? THIS IS WHAT I SEE GOING ON. I'M LIKE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, WE'RE TRYING TO GET HOUSES BUILT UP.

SO, MY QUESTION IS, I UNDERSTAND THE REVERTER, I READ EVERYTHING.

AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID IF THEY SELL IT. THE TIMELINE GOES OVER. BUT, NOW, IF I HAVE SOMEONE WHO BUYS IT THE FIRST TIME THAT COULDN'T DO ANYTHING. AND NOW I'VE GOT A NEW DEVELOPER WHO SAYS, I CAN DO IT IF I GET ANOTHER 30 DAY, WILL WE ALLOW THAT PERSON TO DO IT OR WILL WE SAY, COME BACK AND TRY AND BUY

IT WHEN WE REVERT IT. >> FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PRIVATE SALE, THAT'S BETWEEN THE TWO INDIVIDUALS. IF THERE'S SOMEONE THAT PURCHASES A PROPERTY WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ON IT. AND THEY CANNOT MEET THOSE TIMELINES, AS WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, WE CAN AMEND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL CHOOSE TO DO. BUT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT'S TWO PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS IN THE SALE AND AS THEY'RE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, THEY SHOULD SEE WHAT'S ON THIS PROPERTY.

>> AND MADAM ATTORNEY, I FULL AGREE WITH NOT GETTING INTO A PRIVATE SALE. I'VE BEEN QUIET ALL NIGHT. I'M JUST THROWING OUT THE QUESTION, SINCE WE ARE ALLOWING THE DEVELOPER TO PUT NUMBERS IN. WE ARE ALLOWING THE DEVELOPER SO SAY, I CAN'T MEET THOSE NUMBERS, LET ME FIND SOMEBODY ELSE AND SEE IF I CAN SELL IT TO THEM, AND THAT PERSON SAYS, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS, BUT, I CAN'T DO IT IN 30 DAYS. SO, MY QUESTION IS, AT THAT POINT, DO THEY COME BACK HERE? AND DO WE HAVE TO DECIDE

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TO GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME? I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY -- BECAUSE, WHAT I DON'T WANT IS WE'RE GIVING THE DEVELOPER TIME, THE DEVELOPER SAYS, I'M IN TROUBLE, BASED ON MY OWN NUMBERS, I TRY TO SELL IT AND I'M IN A SITUATION WHERE I'M AT THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPER READY TO GO BUT CAN'T HAVE TIME.

DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL EVER HAPPEN, BUT, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. OR, DO WE SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THE FIRST SELLER, YOU COULDN'T DO IT, YOUR TIME IS UP AND IT REVERTS BACK TO THE CITY AND THE NEW SELLER COMES BACK TO US.

WHAT WILL WE DO, BECAUSE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE GOAL OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO BUILD BUILDINGS UP SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOMEWHERE TO

STAY. >> I LOVE THE IDEA OF PUTTING IT ON THE DEVELOPER. I LOVE THE REVERTER, IT COMES BACK TO US, BUT, AGAIN, I'M STILL, I'M LIKE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND THE REST OF US, I'M SHELL-SHOCKED FROM MONDAY NIGHT OR WHATEVER IT WAS, OR LAST WEEK, WHENEVER IT WAS WHEN WE CAME IN AND DEALT WITH THE APPEAL OF THAT PROPERTY FROM 2006, WHATEVER IT WAS, AND WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND PUBLIC RECORD. I UNDERSTAND TITLE SEARCHES AND ALL OF THAT. IF THE RIGHT TITLE SEARCH WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE THAT NIGHT. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE, DO WE HAVE A POSITION WHEN THE DEVELOPER GIVES US, OTHER THAN REVERTER, THE DEVELOPER GIVES US A NUMBER AND THEY CAN'T DO IT? AT THAT POINT, DOES IT COME BACK TO THE CITY AND WE START OVER OR, WHAT

WILL WE DO. >> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY.

COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON WANTS TO SPEAK AND MR. MIMMS WOULD LIKE

TO CHIME IN. >> I SEE IT TWO-FOLD, THIS IS TO GET IT BACK ON THE TAX ROLL AND TO IMPROVE AND YOU KNOW, GET

HOMES BUILT IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> I AGREE.

>> SO, IT'S TWO-FOLD FOR ME. BUT, DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE JUST TO SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PROPERTY, PURCHASER, DEVELOPER A, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN'T SELL THIS PROPERTY UNTIL YOU FULFILL YOUR OBLIGATIONS. DOES IT JUST MAKE MORE SENSE TO STOP THE TRAIN AND SAY, IF YOU WANT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO COME RIGHT BACK HERE AND TALK TO US. THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO ALL OF THAT STUFF. JUST, DO IT ALL UP FRONT, YOU ARE OUR AGREEMENT, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE, AND WE HAVE AN A AGREEMENT WITH YOU, AND IF IT'S NOT YOU, COME BACK HERE. DONE.

>> I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD TO

THAT? >> I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, BUT, LET'S BE REAL AND LOOK AT THE END RESULT, WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE, WE'VE BEEN SELLING PROPERTIES AND AUCTIONING PROPERTIES, NOTHING'S GOING UP.

LET'S BE COMPLETELY REAL, WE'RE NOT GETTING THE PRODUCT THAT WE SET OUT FOR. WE CAN ALWAYS STOP THIS PROCESS AND FIND A PORTENER THIS A BUILDER, BUILD THE HOMES OURSELVES WITH THE PARTNER, SELL THE HOMES AND TAKE THE REVENUE FROM THOSE SALES AND CONTINUE ON THE PROGRAM. THAT, IF WE'RE LOOKING TO HAVE A RESULT, THEN, WE CAN DO THAT. OR, WE CAN JUST SELL THESE PROPERTIES JUST OUTRIGHT MARKET RATE AND KEEP IT MOVING, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS NOT YIELDING THE RESULT THAT WE HAVE INTENDED. SO, WE EITHER GET A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER THAT'S WITH US LOCK-STEP, WE BUILD A HOME BASED UPON THE SIZE AND THE ACREAGE OF THE AVAILABLE LOT AND WE PUT THOSE PROCEEDS

BACK INTO THAT PROGRAM. >> DON'T HOLD ANY MORTGAGES.

>> SO, MADAM CHAIR, I THINK WE CAN DO TWO THINGS AT ONCE. AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THIS. IN CONVERSATIONS WITH A COMMUNITY PARTNER THAT WE KNOW, WHICH IS THE COLLEGE. I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT, DR. MOORE, HE SUGGESTED A CREATIVE PROCESS AND HE'S BEEN VERY CREATIVE IN PUTTING TOGETHER CERTAIN THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT IF WE EVEN HAVE, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE STAFF HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH HIM SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOME PARCELS AND MAYBE WE TEST THAT WITH FOUR OR FIVE PARCELS WHICH ARE BUILDABLE. GO TO OUR PARTNER AND SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTER INTO A DEAL THAT WOULD PROVIDE WORKFORCE TYPE HOUSING HERE AT A CERTAIN RATE, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP US GET. I THINK IT'S WORTH THE EXPLORATORY CONVERSATION SO THAT WE HAVE TWO POSSIBLY SCENARIOS TO LOOK AT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH DR. MOORE HE IS FAVORABLE IN HAVING THAT VERY POINTED CONVERSATION AND TAKING

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THAT UPON HIMSELF AND THE COLLEGE AND SEEING WHAT THEY MAYBE ABLE DO IN THEIR CREATIVE RESOURCES OF PROVIDING HOUSING IN A MUCH NEEDED AREA TO SERVICE OBVIOUSLY THE WORKFORCE THAT HE'S TRAINING AND BUILDING THROUGH THE COLLEGE AND HE

SEEMED VERY OPEN TO THAT. >> HE HAS FUNDING TOO?

>> HE HAS FUNDING AND THERE ARE THERE ARE JURISDICTIONS THAT ALLOWS FOR HIM AS A COLLEGE TO TO GO AT A DIFFERENT PACE THAN GOVERNMENT. AND HE'S BOASTFULLY AND PROUDFULLY, MENTIONED THAT WITHIN A YEAR OF SIGNING THE CONTRACT THEY BUILT THE CHARTER HIGH SCHOOL IN INDIAN TOWN WHICH IS OPEN AND OCCUPIED TO THIS DAY. I THINK IT'S WORST THE EXPLORATORY CONVERSATION FOR STAFF TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND MAYBE COME BACK AND SAY, HEY, BOARD, WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS, THIS IS MAYBE A RECOMMENDATION AND SEE WHAT WE GET INTEREST FROM THAT PROCESS.

DEFINITELY NOT STOPPING THIS. THIS IS FINE, BUT, WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF SURPLUS PROPERTIES WHY NOT LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S CREATIVE, MAYBE WE COULD GET A SMALLER TINY HOME OR A MANUFACTURED TYPE HOME BASED ON THE MANUFACTURE PROCESSES THAT CAN BEGIN TO MANUFACTURE THOSE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY.

>> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, ONE IS TO MS. HEDGES, CAN WE DO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT BEFORE, SO THAT WE COULD MAKE IT THE ONE DEAL WITH THE DEVELOPER, IF THAT GOES AWRY, IT COMES BACK TO THIS

BOARD IMMEDIATELY, NO MORE SALE. >> SO, WOULD YOU BE SEEKING THEM TO GET YOUR PERMISSION FOR THE SALE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SO, WE COULD CREATE LANGUAGE THAT REQUIRES THAT, THAT THE FPRA HAS TO AGREE TO THAT SALE.

>> TO KEEP THIS PROGRAM AS IT SITS WITH SOME FUNCTIONALITY.

>> WE COULD INCLUDE LANGUAGE LIKE THAT. AND IF I COULD, TO THE QUESTION RELATED TO IF WE CHOOSE TO LEAVE IT AS-IS. SO, FUNCTIONALLY, I THINK THE WAY THAT OCCURS IS YOU'RE IN ONE OF TWO POSITIONS. SO, IF IT'S THE CURRENT PURCHASER THAT IS SAYING, I'VE REACHED MY TIME LIMIT, I WANT TO SELL IT, BUT, MY TIME FRAMES HAVE EXPIRED AND THIS IS HOLDING UP A PRIVATE SALE. SO, IF IT'S STILL IN THAT OWNERSHIP, THAT PERSON WOULD CONTACT STAFF, THE SAME WITH ALL OF OUR CONTRACTS, IT WOULD FLOW THROUGH YOUR FPRA STAFF. IF THEY WANTED TO BRING IT TO THIS BODE TO EXTEND IT TO THE ORIGINAL ORDER, THAT'S HOW IT WOULD FUNNEL. IF THEY DO THE SALE, THAT PERSON WOULD KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE TIME CONSTRAINTS, SO LONG AS THEY SEARCH THE CLERK OF COURT'S PUBLIC RECORDS, THROUGH THEM.

THEY COULD, THE SAME PROCESS, THEY WOULD CONTACT STAFF, STAFF WOULD DO THEIR ANALYSIS AND BRING IT BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR YOUR ACTION. SO, WHILE WE'RE NOT GETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SALE, IF IT IS BROUGHT TO YOU FOR AN AMENDMENT OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU ALL WOULD SEE THAT FUNNELED THROUGH STAFF.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. >> ONE, I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON'S SOLUTION AND COMMISSIONER GAINES' SOLUTION TO THE SINGLE BUYER, SINGLE DEVELOPER SALE, IF THERE'S A CHANGE COME TO US, SIMPLE AS THAT. MY SECOND COMMENT THOUGH, IS THAT, I'M ADVERSE TO THE IDEA OF THE GOVERNMENT GETTING INVOLVED IN PARTNERING WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS TYPE OF SENARIO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE IN HOUSE TO MANAGE A PROGRAM LIKE THAT.

I SEE IT FRAUGHT WITH A POTENTIAL DOWNSIDE. BUT, I DO BELIEVE IN INVESTIGATING THIS WITH IRSC.

>> THAT'S INTERESTING. OKAY. >> WHAT I'M SUGGESTING, IN MY OPINION, SOLELY, US PARTNERING WITH A BUILDER TO COME OUT AND START TO BUILD HOMES, I SEE THIS AS A POTENTIAL MESS. THERE'S A PRIVATE SECTOR SOLUTION TO THIS. AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR SOLUTION IS WE PUT THESE PARAMETERS INTO PLACE, THEY'RE UNDERSTANDABLE, MANAGEABLE AND PART OF THE BID PROCESS. SO, WE HAVE LAID OUT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT TEACH THROUGH THE STAFF TO PUT ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS TOGETHER TO BRING IT TO THIS BODY, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHERE OUR OBLIGATION SHOULD STOP. IF WE HAVE THOSE TIME LINES IN PLACE, I COME BACK TO THE FACT, BUYER BEWARE. THE PROPERTY WILL REVERT BACK TO THE CITY, I KNOW WE'RE NOT FOR PROFIT, BUT, WE'LL SELL IT AGAIN AND START THAT PROCESS OVER AGAIN, UNLESS THERE'S MITIGATING

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CIRCUMSTANCES, LIKE, THEY FOUND A BURIAL SITE THERE. BUT, I'M WILLING FOR US TO PARTNERING. I THINK IF THE PRIVATE SECTOR SOLUTION FAILS, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN REVISIT. IF WE PUT THE PARAMETERS IN PLACE, I KNOW THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR WILL FILL THIS VOID. I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE LOOKING TO GET INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF TINY HOMES AS MR. FREEMAN'S OUTLINED FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I BELIEVE THAT PACKAGE OF INCENTIVES WILL BE SUFFICIENT ENOUGH FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO TAKE ADVANTAGE

OF THIS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. J JOHNSON, DO YOU HAVE MORE TO SAY?

>> MR. MIMMS, YOU HAD FPRA STAFF PRESENT TO US, IT MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY TO THE MAYOR AND I WITH DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS UP HERE. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE PROGRAM WILL YOU THE STATE OF

FLORIDA. >> MAYOR HUDSON: THE COMMUNITY LAND TRUST OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> IT WAS THE CONCEPT OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. TO WHERE YOU TAKE THE MONEYS, YOU BUILD IT. YOU TAKE THE MONEY AND THERE'S A PROGRAM WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT EXISTS.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. I NEEDED A RERASHER.

>> WE HAVE THE LOCAL ENTITY, WHICH IS THE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. ANDTY THINK THERE'S AN OPERATION OUT OF PORT ST.

LUCIE, AND WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY CREATING ONE THROUGH A NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT IS HAS NOT MATERIALIZED AS OF YET.

>> THERE ARE PROGRAMS OUT INTEREST, AND OBVIOUSLY WE DIDN'T TAKE A BIG GULP. DRINK BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN PLAY. IT'S OKAY, IT'S JUST AN OPTION FOR A PROGRAM. IRSC, ANOTHER OPTION FOR A PROMISE. SO, I THINK THAT GOING BACK FULL CIRCLE, BACK TO THIS LITTLE DOCUMENT WHICH IS IN FRONT OF US, IS THAT IT'S A DEVELOPER AGREEMENT, ONLY, ONE WAY, NO OTHER OPTIONS. BECAUSE, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SCENARIO? WHAT IF IT DOESN'T GET FILED? WHAT IF THE DOCUMENT DOESN'T GET FILED AND IT WAS A MISTAKE WITHIN CITY HALL, THAT HAPPENS, WE'RE ALL HUMAN BEINGS HERE, I'M JUST SAYING, LIFE HAPPENS AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEBODY'S DOING A TITLE SEARCH AND IT'S NOT THERE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO AVOID THIS. ONE-WAY STREET, DIRECT RELATIONSHIP, IF IT FAILS, IT'S THEIR RISK, THEIR POSSIBLE REWARD, BUT, IT'S STILL THEIR RISK AND IT COMES BACK IF IT DOESN'T GET FULFILLED.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: SO, TO BE CLEAR, IS THE IDEA STILL IN PLAY OF THE PERSON WHO HAS THE CONTRACT WITH US, THE BID, THAT WON THE BID, HAS TO COME BACK TO US TO SAY THEY INTEND TO SELL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MEET THE DEADLINES, IS THAT STILL IN

PLAY? >> I LIKE THAT, YES.

>> YEAH. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY COULD ASK US, I INTEND TO SELL. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN A THING ON THE TABLE. CAN YOU MEET THE TIMELINE? IF YOU DON'T, THE REVERTER CLAUSE KICKS IN.

>> WHICH I'M PERFECTLY FINE WITH. THESE ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE BUSINESS DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THEORY ARE SOUND. IF THEY DON'T, THERE'S A DOWNSIDE TO THAT. AND EVERY BUSINESS PERSON HAS MADE A MISTAKE THEY END UP PAYING FOR. IN THIS CASE, I DON'T WANT THE CITY PAYING FOR IT. IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO EXECUTE ON THE TIMELINES THAT THEY'RE PUTTING INTO THE AGREEMENT AND THE PROPERTY REVERTS BACK, I SIMPLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

>> OKAY. I'M IN AGREEMENT. I BROUGHT IT UP, I'M IN AGREEMENT.

HOWEVER, LET ME PUT MY OTHER HAT ON. WE CAN'T JUST SAY THAT UP HERE, WE NEED TO PUT THAT IN WRITING IN THE CONTRACT.

>> CLEARLY. CLEARLY. >> IN THE CONTRACT, BECAUSE, WE CAN'T TRUMP THE RIGHTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL, PRIVATE OWNER/SELLER. HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE IT IN OUR CONTRACT, THAT, BEFORE YOU SELL COME BACK TO THE CITY OR WHATEVER, AND THEY AGREE TO IT AS PART OF THE CONTRACT, THEY KNOW FROM DAY ONE THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US AND ANY POTENTIAL PURCHASES CAN'T COME IN AND SAY WHAT THEY ALWAYS SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE, IT'S IN THE CONTRACT. AND, REGARDLESS, IT'S IN THE CONTRACT, SO, THEN, THE FIGHT IS NOT BETWEEN US, WHATEVER, FIGHT WOULD COME, BETWEEN THOSE TWO SELLERS, BECAUSE, WE HAVE IT IN OUR CONTRACT AND WE'VE NEVER HIT THIS PORTION OF OUR CONTRACT. ALL I WANTED TO SAY WAS, AND

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COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID IT ENTER, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAPPEN.

SO, LET'S PUT IT IN OUR CONTRACT, LOOK, HERE, BEFORE YOU ENTER IN THIS AGREEMENT, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THESE DATES. AND BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE BOARD TO LET US KNOW THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SELL IF AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING AND IT COVERS EVERYBODY AND WE'RE NOT TRUMPING ANYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS BECAUSE THEY'RE FREELY SIGNING INTO THIS CONTRACT WITH THEIR LANGUAGE ON THE CONTRACT.

DID I SAY THAT RIGHT, MADAM ATTORNEY.

>> YES, SIR. MADAM CHAIR, I BELIEVE THE INTENT IS ESSENTIALLY WE DON'T WANT CONTRACTS BEING ASSIGNED UNLESS THERE'S AN AGREEMENT TO SIGN THOSE?

>> IT'S ACTUALLY FLIPPING CONTRACTS, YOU BUY A LOT FOR 12 A THOUSAND DOLLARS AND NOW YOU'RE SELLING IT FOR 15.

>> I CAN TAKE THE FEEDBACK AND DRAFT LANGUAGE RELATED TO WHAT I'M HEARING AND I CAN BRING THIS BACK TO YOU AT THE NEXT FPRA MEETING WITH PROPOSED LANGUAGE TO MAKE SURE IT'S ENCOMPASSING YOUR INTENT AND WE'RE DOING IT CORRECTLY AND LEGALLY.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: AND SO, DO YOU NEED ANY FURTHER DIRECTION ON THIS? DO WE NEED A MOTION ON THIS? OR, WE JUST...

>> WE DO NOT NEED A MOTION, I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION. IF I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WILL CLARIFY.

INDIVIDUALLY, OF COURSE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AND DID WE WANT TO HAVE A CONSENSUS OF EX-COLORING WITH DR. MOORE WITH

IRSC? >> I THINK I WOULD ASK FOR THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT STAFF TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND BRING THAT BACK WITH US TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. YES.

>> MADAM CHAIR, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. UNTIL WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION WE WON'T KNOW. SO, LET'S GET THE GET THE

INFORMATION AND GO FROM THERE. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> MAYOR HUDSON: YES? >> AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS LONGEST. I PERSONALLY WITNESSED AND I WANT TO SHARE WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS, WHAT WE'VE WATCHED IS WE HAD A LOT OF SURPLUS PROPERTY YEARS AGO. TOO MANY IN MY OPINION, WE STILL PROBABLY HAVE TOO MANY, BUT, WE HAD A LOT. SO, WE MOVED IN A DIRECTION OF HOW DO WE GET RID OF THE SURPLUS AND NOW WE'RE MOVING INTO A FOCUS OF ALL RIGHT, NOW WE HAVE A SURPLUS, WHAT CAN WE DO TO BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS KIND OF A CONTRACT FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR COMMUNITY. THE FOCUS HAS SHIFTED. THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE IN MY SIX AND-A-HALF WHATEVER YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, I'VE WATCHED THAT MORPH INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENCE AND I THINK WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

MR. MIMMS IS EXACTLY RIGHT, WE WATCHED THESE THINGS NOT HAPPEN, BUT, AT THE SAME TIME WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE. WE STILL WANT TO SEE THEM DEVELOP, BUT, WE'VE SEEN A DIFFERENCE.

>> AND IT PLAYS IN ALSO TO THE INFILL. WE DON'T WANT ANY VACANT LOTS. IT'S PART OF YOU ARE, RIGHT. AND WE'RE TRYING ALL KINDS OF STRATEGIES TO DO IT. AND WE DON'T WANT IT COMING BACK TO US. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PREVENT.

THAT'S RIGHT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: OKAY. I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THAT PARTICULAR. YES, MA'AM?

>> READY TO MOVE ON? >> SO, NEXT IS STAFF COMMENTS.

[10. BOARD COMMENTS]

>> MAYOR HUDSON: MR. MIMMS? >> NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

>> NEXT WE HAVE BOARD COMMENTS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE ACTIVITY'S REPORT WHICH IS IN THERE WHICH I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO GLANCE AT AND NOT READ COMPLETELY AND IT DOES GIVE YOU A REALLY COMPLETE PICTURE OF ALL THE FPRA IS DOING RIGHT NOW AND THE PROGRESS THAT WE'RE MAKING ON ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS, SO, GOOD JOB ON THE REPORT. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER?

>> I HAVE SOMETHING QUICKLY? MADAM CHAIR, I KNOW THAT WE'RE IN THE, UM, FPRA MEETING, AND, THIS, THIS, GROUP HAS NOW ALLOWED TWO POLICE DETAILS TO GO, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN AND TO GO TO NOW, JETTY PARK AT A CERTAIN AREA. AND I JUST WANT US TO THINK IN OUR CAPACITY WHEN WE PUT ON OUR OTHER HATS AS COMMISSIONERS THAT WE TRY TO ALSO THINK IF WE COULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF, AND I DON'T KNOW, DETAILS OR SOME EXTRA HOURS FOR

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SOME OF OUR OFFICERS TO RIDE IN SOME OF THE AREAS IN FORT PIERCE THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING SOME PROBLEMS IN. JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WE'VE HEARD THE REQUEST FROM THE PUBLIC YOU KNOW, THAT THEY NEED SOME HELP OUT THERE. AND, I KNOW IT'S MONEY, I KNOW IT COSTS, BUT, I JUST WANT US TO PUT OUR THINKING CAPS ON TO SEE, YOU KNOW, NO ONE KNOWS WHEN A SHOOTING WILL OCCUR. NO ONE KNOWS THAT. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW IT'S MORE ACTIVITIES IN THE NORTH PART OF TOWN HAPPENS ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT. SO, MAYBE WE COULD START TO THINK ABOUT IF THERE'S MONEY OR SOMEWHERE, WHERE WE COULD SAY, HEY, GUYS WE COULD ADD EXTRA HOURS OR WHATEVER IS ALLOWED ON AN AGREEMENT WITH THE OFFICERS THAT, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, GIVE US AN EXTRA HOUR OR TWO TO PATROL IF POSSIBLE CERTAIN AREAS IN OUR NORTHERN PARTS TO JUST MAKE ANOTHER APPEARANCE TO TRY AND STOP SOME OF THE SHOOTING OR THE CRIMES THAT ARE GOING ON.

SO, THE AUDIENCE HAS TOLD US SO, I'M NOT TRYING TO CROSS OVER, JUST MY COMMENT IS, LET'S JUST THINK ABOUT IT SO WITH WE MEET AGAIN AS COMMISSIONERS, BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING ON FPRA PUTTING OFFICERS OVER ON THE BEACH AND DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, LET'S SEE WHAT WE COULD DO TO PUT A PRESENCE OVER IN SOME OF THE AREAS IN DISTRICT ONE WHERE WE NEED THE HELP. THAT'S MY

COMMENT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M WONDERING IS IF WE NEED TO GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE SHOOTINGS ARE HAVE HAPPENED FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS OR THE LAST YEAR. BECAUSE, THAT'S THE WAY YOU FIND OUT WHERE THE HOTSPOTS ARE, AREN'T THEY? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A COMMON

DENOMINATOR OR NOT... >> I CAN, UM, I CAN PROBABLY GET THAT INFORMATION OR, I'M PRETTY SURE THE POLICE

DEPARTMENT -- >> MAYOR HUDSON: YEAH, BUT, THAT WOULD BE A STARTING PLACE TO SEE WHERE, IF --

>> WHERE THE HOTSPOTS ARE, BUT, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE. AND I DON'T KNOW, LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT OF THE BUDGET, I'M NOT ASKING ANY OFFICERS TO DO IT ON THEIR OWN FREE TIME. BUT, IF CERTAIN, LIKE WE SAID TONIGHT, IT'S FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAYS, YOU KNOW, FRIDAY NIGHTS AND SATURDAY NIGHTS, JUST MORE PRESENCE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF TOWN COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IT MIGHT NOT, BUT, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GET THE MOTHERS CRYING AND BRINGING IN THE SIGNS AND PICTURES OF THEIR KIDS.

IT'S JUST A THOUGHT. I DON'T HAVE THE SOLUTION, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE SINCE WE'RE DOING DETAILS, LET'S SEE IF WE COULD COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO GET MORE PRESENCE AT CERTAIN TIMES OF CERTAIN TIMES OF, YOU KNOW, ON THE WEEKENDS, OR, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, UM, NO ONE CAN STOP AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS TO RUN AND SHOOT SOMEBODY IN BROUGHT DAYLIGHT. THAT INDIVIDUAL'S JUST, AIN'T NOBODY GOING TO STOP THAT INDIVIDUAL.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: RANDOM IS RANDOM.

>> RIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN NIGHTS, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE KNOW BECAUSE YOU CITY MANAGER AND THE POLICE GETS THE NOISE COMPLAINTS. SO, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT WE SHOULD KNOW THAT JUST SOME EXTRA DETAILS OR SOME EXTRA RIDING AROUND OR, VISUAL, OF OUR OFFICERS, I FEEL WOULD DO A START TO SHOW, THAT, HEY, WE'RE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING. IT'S JUST A THOUGHT.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON?

>> COMMISSIONER, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, SIR, AND I APPRECIATE IT. BECAUSE, YOU'RE RIGHT, DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN WILL NOT LEAD US TO ANY DIFFERENT CONCLUSION.

AND, WE'RE LOOKING FOR RESULTS, FOR ACTION STEPS THAT WE COULD TAKE AND WHATEVER THOSE STEPS ARE, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT, WE WANT TO AT LEAST STRIVE FOR SOMETHING. SO, LET'S ENGAGE THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE DEPUTY CHIEFS, AND, SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS AS WE TRANSITION INTO BUDGET YEARS.

BECAUSE, I TAKE WHAT WE LOOK AT HERE I TAKE THAT AS A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES OF OUR COMMERCIAL SECTORS AND OUR TOURISM SECTORS THAT HELP FORT PIERCE THRIVE. AND AT THE SAME TIME, IF WE'VE GOT THAT ON THE ECONOMIC SIDE, THEN, WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS? I TRULY PARCEL IT OUT IN MY THOUGHT PROCESSES.

SO, IF THAT MEANS WE NEED TO TRANSITION THE STAFFING LEVEL OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE JUST APPROVED THAT BUDGET THIS WEEK

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AND NOW THE FPRA BUDGET IS APPROVED. LET'S STRATEGIZE ON

WHAT WE DO WITH STAFFING. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING, LET'S HAVE THE DISCUSSION AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, IF WE DON'T SOLVE THIS PROBLEM, IT'S GOING TO EFFECT EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE DOING TO BRING PEOPLE IN. IF THE CITY MANAGER TAKES OFF HIS HAT TO PUT ON HIS COACH'S HAT AND I PUT ON MY COACH'S HAT AND USE SPORT, HE WILL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU HOW HARD IT IS TO GET ANOTHER ORGANIZATION OR ANOTHER TEAM TO COME PLAY IN FORT PIERCE. IT'S ALMOST, I MEAN, WE HAVE KIDS NOW TRAVELING ALL OF WAY OVER TO FORT MYERS AND EVERYWHERE JUST TO GET GAMES. HE'LL TELL YOU, JUST TO GET GAMES JUST TO PLAY SPORTS. AND SO, IT'S ALREADY AFFECTS THE YOUTH. THE SPORTS. I KNOW THIS BOARD CAN'T DO IT, BUT, SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS NEW DETAIL WHICH I LOVE BECAUSE IT'S NEED THE BECAUSE WE'VE ALL SEEN THE VIDEOS AND THINGS THAT GO ON AT JETTY PARK AT CERTAIN HOURS. BUT, I WANT TO LEAVE THIS MEETING THINKING ABOUT, OKAY, WE HAVE AN IDEA HERE, LET'S COME UP WITH AN IDEA WHERE WE COULD TRY TO PUT MORE PRESSURE OR PRESENCE IN THESE AREAS TO SHOW, HEY, GUYS WE HEARD YOUR CRIES, WE'RE TRYING TO HELP. AND LIKE I SAID, YOU'RE RIGHT, MADAM CHAIR, THE POLICE CHIEF OR DEPUTY CHIEF WOULD KNOW BETTER AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE A

CONVERSATION. >> POINT WELL TAKEN, COMMISSIONER GAINES. I THINK AS WE GO INTO OUR NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING, I'VE READ THE PREPACKAGE, I THINK THERE'S INFORMATION THERE THAT TALKS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ACTIONS BEING TAKEN AGAIN AND THE CONSENT AGENDA. WHAT I SAW IS TIMELY IN RESPONSE IT THAT AND THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT SOUGHT A GRANT, WON THAT GRANT AND THAT GRANT WILL NOW BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE SUCH DETAILS. IT'S GOOD TO HEAR THAT PERSPECTIVE WITH THE SPORTS, THIS WHOLE ONE FORT PIERCE, I THINK WE TAKE SERIOUSLY.

BECAUSE, DEVELOPMENT ON THE BEACH OR DEVELOPMENT WEST OF TOWN IS STILL IN FORT PIERCE, AND PEOPLE ARE RESPONSIVE IN HEARING THIS STUFF AND IT CONCERNS US GREATLY, RIGHT? ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO LURE BRIGHTLINE TO THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO SUPPRESS THAT. AND, GET TO THE ROOT OF THIS. SO, I THINK, YOUR COMMENTS HAVE NOT FALLEN ON DEAF EARS AND I THINK THOSE LISTENING TO THIS, WILL CERTAINLY HEAR IN OUR NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING THE TACTICS THAT WE'RE TAKING TO DEAL WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, RANDOMNESS ON STUFF, YOU CANNOT STOP. BUT, THE PLEA GOES TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COMMUNITY IS THAT WE NEED YOUR HELP. WE NEED YOU TO HELP US GET THESE BAD ACTORS OFF THE STREETS.

BECAUSE, THEY'RE NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, CAUSING HARM TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP AND BUILD HOUSES AND PUT PEOPLE IN HOUSES AND GROW OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S BECOME A CHALLENGE. AND, SO, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING

THAT UP. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. REAL QUICK, I DIDN'T WANT TO STEAL THE THUNDER FROM THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING, I JUST WANTED US TO START TO THINK ABOUT IT. I DID SEE IT ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, SO, I WANTED TO

TALK ABOUT IT. GOOD CALL. >> I WOULD LIKE TO APPLAUD MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO LOOK AT NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA. I'M STRUGGLING WITH TOMORROW MORNING'S AGENDA. BUT, SERIOUSLY T COMMISSIONER GAINES, I AGREE WITH YOUR SUGGESTION, I THINK WE NEED TO OF MA FORWARD AND GET INPUT AND DEPLOY ASSETS.

IF THE CITY HAS THE ABILITY TO DO IT, WE NEED TO DEPLOY ASSETS AND GET IT UNDER CONTROL. THAT'S IT.

>> MADAM CHAIR, A CRAZY THOUGHT HAS OCCURRED, RIGHT? IN SOME OF THESE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITY'S MEETINGS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO POSE THIS TO US. WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF REACHING OUT TO OUR COUNTY AND HAVING MEETINGS THERE. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO CONTINUE, RIGHT? AND SOMETIMES IT'S NOT ALWAYS ON FORCED AGENDA ITEMS, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT EXPERIENCES IN OUR CITIES FROM A POLICY-MAKING STANDPOINT, BECAUSE, I THINK THAT WE HAVE MUCH MORE IN COMMON. I THINK WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR SISTER CITY,

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PORT ST. LUCIE NUMBER ONE. BECAUSE, I'M EXPERIENCING AND SEEING THAT WE HAVE CULPRITS MOVING BETWEEN OUR BORDERS, LIVING IN ONE COMMUNITY AND DO STUFF HERE AND GO BACK TO THE OTHER COMMUNITY TO LIVE AND VICE VERSA. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO, AS POLICY MAKERS HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR SISTER CITY FIRST, IT NEEDS TO BECOME A TREASURE COAST, THING. IT'S EASY TO MOVE EIGHT OR NINE MILES IN EACH DIRECTION AND CHANGE YOUR HOLE LIFESTYLE AND WHERE YOU LIVE AND HOW YOU INTERACT AND WHAT YOU DO. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AS POLICY MAKERS TO DISCUSS THIS BECAUSE THIS CRIME IS NOT JUST FORT PIERCE, THEY'RE MOVING BOOK AND FORTH BETWEEN INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND DOWN TO OUR SISTER COUNTY IN PORPORT ST. LUCIE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH OUR SISTER

CITY, AT PORT ST. LUCIE. >> MAYOR HUDSON: AND MAYBE OUR CHIEFS NEED TO BE A CONVERSATION.

>> ABSOLUTELY. WE SEND THE SIGNAL THAT'S LIKE, HEY, GUYS WE HAVE TO GET TOGETHER IN THE SAME ROOM AND GET TOGETHER ON JOINT STUFF THAT MAYBE COULD HELP HERE. AND DEAL WITH THINGS ACROSS THESE BORDERS. I WAS TALKING TO VICE MAYOR AND WE'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ONE BUT, I THINK IT'S TIME THAT WE MEET WITH PORT ST. LUCIE, BECAUSE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAVE WE EVER MET WITH PORT ST. LUCIE FROM A CITY COMMISSION

PERSPECTIVE? >> MAYOR HUDSON: I DON'T REMEMBER US EVER DOING THAT. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT EVER.

>> JUST A SUGGESTION, I THINK IT'S TIME.

>> A LONG TIME AGO. >> ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD

PROBABLY GET TO THAT. >> MAYOR HUDSON: BEFORE ANY OF US WERE UP HERE, RIGHT? YES, SIR?

>> MADAM CHAIR, AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I WILL SAY THIS, THIS IS THE FPRA. AND THE FPRA IS TASKS WITH CREATING INNOVATIVE STRATEGIES TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS AND QUALITY OF LIFE WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES, RIGHT? SO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICING. IF WE CAN LOOK AT INNOVATIVE ADVANCES IN COMMUNITY POLICING WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES, BECAUSE, I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT PRESENCE. YOU WANT CONNECTIVITY BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT NOW OUR POLICE ARE BUSTING THEIR BEHINDS, RIGHT? WE HAVE FUNDING IN THE GENERAL FUND. WE NEED BODIES, WE NEED MORE OFFICERS TO FILL VOCE VACANCIES. OUR GUYS ARE DOING WHAT THEY CAN. OUR GUYS HAVE TO ANSWER CALLS BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT, YOU KNOW, HIGH OF A NUMBER OF CALLS PER OFFICER.

SO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT MORE OF A COMMUNITY POLICING OPTION FOR PRESENCE FOR RELATIONSHIPS, THEN THAT IS AN INNOVATIVE STRATEGY THAT THE FPRA COULD POSSIBLY FUND. HERE AT THIS BOARD, AND, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, WE CAN LOOK UP THE PARAMETERS TO MAKE SURE THAT FUNDING IS LEGITIMATE AND THEN WE CAN TASK OUR POLICE WITH COMING UP WITH STRATEGIES TO DO SO.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: I THINK, AND I THINK THAT'S BEEN DONE.

>> WE HAVE DONE THAT MANY TIMES BEFORE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: BACK IN 2006 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THERE WAS A WHOLE COMMUNITY POLICING INITIATIVE THAT WHEN THE FPRA HAD LOTS OF MONEY, BEFORE DEBT, RIGHT? SO, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING TO LOOK INTO. COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> THANK YOU, MR. MIMMS, AND, BEFORE I GET ANY E-MAILS, MY COMMENTS WERE NOT DIRECTLY TOWARD THE FORT PIERCE POLICE

OFFICERS. >> MAYOR HUDSON: WE KNOW.

>> YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I SEE YOU OUT THERE. AND MR. MIMMS, I'LL TELL YOU THIS, EVEN ON THEIR BUSY SCHEDULES I HAVE SEEN POLICE OFFICERS TAKE THE TIME TO STOP AND SPEAK TO SOME OF THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EVEN IF IT'S JUST 30 SECONDS, THAT 30 SECONDS MEANS A LOT BEFORE THEY JUMP BACK INTO THEIR CAR AND GO ON A CALL. AND THAT MEANS A LOT TO THE KIDS IN THE COMMUNITY JUST TO SAY HELLO. JUST TO SHAKE THEIR HANDS, UM, SO, PLEASE, DON'T LET MY PHONE START BUZZING FROM THE E-MAILS THAT I'M CRITICIZING THE POLICE. I AM NOT, I'M TRYING TO GIVE YOU HELP SO WE CAN, YOU CAN SPEND MORE THAN 30 SECONDS WITH A KID, YOU COULD SPEND A MINUTE SHAKING THEIR HAND. THANK YOU.

>> MAYOR HUDSON: WE GOOD? EVERYBODY GOOD? OKAY. ARE WE READY TO ADJOURN. LET'S ADJOURN.

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