Oct 02, 2023 City Commission Regular Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THIS IS MONDAY, OCTOBER 2, 23 IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMMISSION. PLEASE STAND FOR THE OPENING PRAYER BY SHANE JOHNSON WHO IS OUR WONDERFUL IT DEPARTMENT HEAD IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE CHAPLAIN FOR THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> FATHER, WE THANK YOU THIS EVENING FOR WHAT YOU ARE DOING. I ASK YOU BLESS THIS BODY, THIS GOVERNINGBODY , AND THE PRECIOUS NAME OF JESUS. THIS REPRESENTATIVE FISCAL YEAR AND WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THE SITUATIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES THAT YOU BROUGHT US FROM AND WE THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU TAKE US THROUGH AND WERE THANK YOU THE CITY IS AN UPWARD MOMENTUM THE CHANGE AND INFLUENCE AND ECONOMIC HEIGHTS WE HAVE NOT SEEN IN OUR LIFETIME.

FATHER FOR THAT, WE SAY THANK YOU. THIS IS A NEW FISCAL YEAR, GOD, WE WANT TO SIT IN STAGE AND HAVING A THANKFUL HEART AND A HEART OF HOPE AND GRATITUDE WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS FOR ALL THE PROJECTS, ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING, ALL THE CITIZENS IMPROVING THEIR LIVES, ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE BECOMING THE INFLUX OF CHANGE THAT'S HAPPENING IN OUR LOCAL CITY. FATHER, I AM SO GRATEFUL HE PERSONALLY WHAT MY EYES HAVE SEEN IN MY HEART IS FULL. THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT CONTINUES IN THAT MANNER JUST ASTONISHES ALL OF THOSE LIKE WE OWN OUR STORY, OUR CITY, RESOURCES AND AVAILABLE TO ALL WHO COME AND JOE. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.

>> MAYOR HUDSON >> PRESENT

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK >> PRESENT

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON

>> PRESENT >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON

>> PRESENT >> COMMISSIONER GAINES IS ATTENDING A MEETING SO HE WILL NOT BE HERE.

>> MOTION FOR AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.

>> SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, COMMISSIONER GAINES, MOZART. , MAYOR HUDSON.

[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER 18, 2020.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.

[a. Red Ribbon Week]

>> THIS EVENING THE FIRST BEING A RED RIBBON WEEK. THE PERSON ACCEPTING THE RED RIBBON WEEK PROCLAMATION COME ON DOWN. WHEREAS, ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE ARE PARTICULARLY DAMAGING TO ONE OF OUR MOST VALUABLE RESOURCES OUR CHILDREN AND AFFECTS INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION.

AND WHEREAS, IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT VISIBLE, UNIFIED EFFORTS BY COMMUNITY MEMBERS BE LAUNCHED TO PREVENT ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE. WHEREAS, IT IS THE GOAL OF RED RIBBON WEEK TO GET FAMILIES, SCHOOLS, HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, BUSINESSES, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, GOVERNMENT, MEDIA, GOVERNMENT CASE ORGANIZATIONS, COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS IN ALL ASPECTS OF THIS CAMPAIGN TO ESTABLISH AN ATMOSPHERE THAT SUPPORTS AWARENESS, EDUCATION AND ONGOING INITIATIVES TO PREVENT ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE.

AND WHEREAS, THE RED RIBBON WEEK CAMPAIGN WILL BE CELEBRATED IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION BETWEEN OCTOBER 23 AND OCTOBER 31. WHEREAS, BUSINESSES, GOVERNMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, MEDIA, HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS, RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS, SCHOOLS, PARENTS AND OTHER COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND SERVICES WILL DEMONSTRATE THEIR COMMITMENT TO DRUG-FREE LESSONS BY WEARING RED RIBBONS AND PARTICIPATING IN A DRUG PREVENTION AWARENESS AND EDUCATION ACTIVITIES. WHEREAS, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FOR THE COMMITS TO PROMOTE AND SUPPORT POLICIES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS OF OUR COMMUNITIE , OUR CITIZENS, RESIDENTS AND VISITORS.

THEREFORE THE MAYOR OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA DECLARED OCTOBER.

THERE THROUGH OCTOBER 31 AS RED RIBBON WEEK IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO PARTICIPATE IN DRUG PREVENTION AND AWARENESS ACTIVITIES NOT ONLY DURING RED RIBBON WEEK BUT ALSO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND VISIBLE STATEMENT WE ARE STRONGLY COMMITTED TO A DRUG-FREE LIFESTYLE.

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON, TO EVERYONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH OH I AM SORRY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PROCLAMATION. THE PROJECT FOR LATER FOR DRUG-FREE ST. LUCIE AS IT WAS A COUNTY PUBLIC TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN A RED RIBBON WEEK. I DID PRINT A FEW OF OUR FLYERS AND FORGOTTEN IN THE PRINTER BUT I WILL SHARE THEM SO YOU HAVE THEM WE WERE QUITE A NUMBER OF ACTIVITIES INCLUDING A DRUG TAPE THAT DAY BY JACKSON DRUGS ON OCTOBER 28. FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WILL BE PARTICIPATING WE ARE ALSO HAVING A WHERE RED DAY OCTOBER 26.

WE WILL HAVE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND EVERYBODY WEARING RED IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

AND BUSINESSES IF THEY HAVE RED LIGHTS THEY CAN LIGHT IT UP IN RED.

WERE ALSO HAVING ON THE 23RD AN EVENT CALLED HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT AT THE PORT ST. LUCIE COMMITTEE CENTER I DON'T KNOW WHO ALL OF YOU FOR THAT.T'S AN AWARENESS CAMPAIGN WE HAVE FOR PARENTS WHERE WE SIMULATE A TEENAGERS BEDROOM. WE HAVE ITEMS HIDDEN IN THE TEENAGE BEDROOM THAT MIGHT INDICATE YOU KNOW ABOUT IT, YES, SO THAT'S HAPPENING IN THE PORT ST. LUCIE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER SOAGAIN I ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU TO PARTICIPATE .

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[b. Careers in Construction]

>> OKAY THE NEXT PROCLAMATION IS CAREERS IN CONSTRUCTION MONTH.

AND WE HAVE MADDIE.

>> WHEREAS CAREERS IN CONSTRUCTION MONTH IS AN ANNUAL MONTH DESIGNATED TO INCREASE PUBLIC AWARENESS AND APPRECIATION OF CONSTRUCTION CRAFT PROFESSIONALS IN THE ENTIRE CONSTRUCTION WORKFORCE. WHEREAS DURING THIS MONTH EMPLOYERS, TRADE ORGANIZATIONS, SCHOOLS AND OTHER TRAINING FACILITIES ARE ENCOURAGED TO CONDUCT JOB FAIRS, PANEL DISCUSSIONS AND LOCAL COMMUNITY EVENTS TO INFORM STUDENTS AND YOUNG ADULTS IN THE BEST EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE TRADES. WHEREAS, THE TREASURE COAST BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND THE SKILLED TRADE COMMITTEE ALONG WITH OTHER ENTITIES HAVE ESTABLISHED STUDENT MEMBERSHIPS, MENTORING PROGRAMS, READY TO WORK, JOB FAIRS AND SCHOLARSHIPS TO INCREASE AWARENESS OF THESE CAREER OPPORTUNITIES AND TO SUPPORT ALL PROGRAMS THAT PROVIDE THE EDUCATIONAL PPATHWAYS TO OBTAIN THEM.

THEREFORE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA HEREBY PROCLAIM OCTOBER 2023 IS CAREERS IN CONSTRUCTION MONTH IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN IN RECOGNIZING THE VALUE OF THE CONSTRUCTION CRAFT AND THE CRITICAL ROLE THEY PLAY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR ECONOMY.

>> YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR.

>> CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL. WE HAVE A LOT OF HEAVY HITTERS HERE.

WHO IS GOING TO SPEAK?

>> WELL BE FIRST, ANYWAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MY NAME IS BETTY WILLIAMS AND I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE TREASURE COAST BUILDERS ASSOCIATION CHARITABLE FUND AND OUR MAIN INITIATIVE RIGHT NOW IS TO DEVELOP A YOUNG PEOPLE TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET INTO CAREERS AND SKILLED TRADES. SO, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PROCLAMATION.

THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE VALUABLE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT THIS CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY AND OUR SKILLED TRADES PROFESSIONALS MAKE IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND THE IMPACT THEY HAVE ON OUR ECONOMY. I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO GET INVOLVE, VOLUNTEER TO MENTOR, EDUCATE AND ENGAGE DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER AND EVERY DAY TO BRING AWARENESS TO ALL THE GREAT CAREERS AVAILABLE IN THE INDUSTRY. WANT TO RECOGNIZE ALL THE T CBA'S MOST AMAZING PARTNERS THAT ARE HERE TODAY. OF COURSE IT WILL AND WEST FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY EDC. WE HAVE SHOWN FROM PROJECT LIFT AND OF COURSE MR. CALHOUN FROM ST. LUCIE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY. THEY ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THE BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AND THEY ARE INVALUABLE PARTNERS TO EVERYTHING WE ARE TRYING TO GET DONE.

SO, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.

[8. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

>> IT'S A GREAT INITIATIVE I WAS HAPPY TO VISIT IT AND SEE IT IN ACTION THIS YEAR.

>> OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.

>> ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS OR CHANGES IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I WILL DO WE ACCEPT THE AGENDA.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.

>>.

[9. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS Any person who wishes to comment on an agenda item which is not under Public Hearings on the Agenda may be heard at this time and must sign up to speak in advance. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

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>> YES, MA'AM.

>> NEXT, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> IF TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP THE FIRST IS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> CAN I BRING A FRIEND?

>> YOU CAN.

>> ACTUALLY, I'M THE SECOND PERSON THAT SIGNED IT.

>> WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE SIGNED UP SO EVERYONE'S NOT WANT TO SEE, CORRECT? THAT'S ALL RIGHT YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, STAFF I AM AND SAID A PART OF THE COMMITTEE OPPOSING NAMING THE NEW NORTHBRIDGE THE EC SUMMERLIN FAMILY BRIDGE. EARLIER THERE WAS TALK ABOUT THE POSITIVES THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS CITY AND THIS WOULD BE A VERY POSITIVE THING TO HAPPEN.

NAMING THE BRIDGE AFTER THIS FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN HERE IN THIS AREA 4135 YEARS WOULD BE WONDERFUL ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THESE ARE OUR HOMETOWN HEROES. YOU DON'T OFTEN HEAR ABOUT THE TEACHERS, THE PREACHERS, THE FISHERMAN, THE FARMER THOSE WHO SHARE AND THOSE WHO CARE BUT PTHAT EXEMPLIFIES WHO THE EC SUMMERLIN FAMILY IS AND THEIR DESCENDENTS.

WE HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THIS 13TH SEE RESOLUTION WE HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT IT, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, YES.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS WE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO COME UP AND SPEAK REGARDING THE RESOLUTION AND THANK YOU TWO AND FOUR PRESENTED TO YOU.

>> WHAT IS YOUR NAME?

>> DALE, AND WE ARE DESCENDENTS OF THE EC SUMMERLIN SO OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN INTHE AREA SINCE 1887 , EC ACTUALLY IT WAS 1888 WHEN ACTUALLY HOMESTEADED BUT OUR FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE FOR ALL THAT TIME AND LIKE YOU SAID WE HAD OUR REGULAR FATHERS WERE FISHERMEN, FISHERMAN GUIDES, TWO TOURISTS THAT CAME TO THE AREA. WE ALSO HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY THAT HELP ESTABLISH THE CHURCHES IN THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY THREE OF THE FOUR PILLARS WE HAVE THE EPISCOPALIAN, BAPTIST AND THE METHODIST CHURCH AS THE FOUNDING MEMBERS. AND SO, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING.

ASK THE SUMMERLIN FAMILY HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THE WATER.

>> WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS THAT WERE PART OF THE CONSERVATION OF THE WATERS AND I GUESS AS IAN LIKES TO PUT THE FLORA AND FAUNA.

>> WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO OUR ATTENTION.

[a. Boys & Girls Clubs of St. Lucie County Activities Update by Will Armstead, Chief Executive Officer]

OFFICER. >> WE HAVE THE HONOR TODAY TO HAVE MR. WILL ARMSTEAD FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY I BELIEVE HE HAS A PRESENTATION. I BELIEVE HE IS A PRESENTATION THAT IS GOING TO GET READY AND TELL US ABOUT THE ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE PREVIOUS YEAR AND FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR OF ONE OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE AND POPULAR ORGANIZATIONS IN A ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

>> TAKE YOU FOR HAVING THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND CITY MANAGER.

FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS WERE GIVING ME AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES TO TALK TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE THAT MUCH TO SAY.

>> YOU CAN TALK FOR AN HOUR.

>> BUT, I JUST WANT TO HEAR YOU LAUGH. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BEFORE I GET MY PRESENTATION ABOUT ALL THE WONDERFUL THINGS WE ARE DOING COLLECTIVELY IN OUR COLLABORATION. NOT JUST WITH US BUT AS YOU HEARD TREASURE COAST BUILDERS ASSOCIATION OF THEIR YOU SEE ALL THE ORGANIZATIONS WORKING TOGETHER FOR A COMMON GOAL AND TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE YOU START OFF WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AND I HOPE THIS MEETING ENDS WITH YOUNG PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT IN MY MIND. YOU DIDN'T TELL ME THIS PART SO WHICH? OH, SCROLL, I DO THAT. OUR MISSION AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB ENABLE ALL YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO NEED US MOST TO REACH THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AS PRODUCTIVE, CARING AND RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN . THAT'S NOT A SLOGAN THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT IT IS, RIGHT? ALL KIDS NEED THAT SO WE TAKE THE JOB VERY SERIOUSLY.

OUR PROGRAMS WE ARE A --PROGRAM WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE TRACK THE KIDS INTO LEARNING THINGS WE ARE NOT ST. LUCIE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND WE DON'T ATTEMPT TO DO WHAT THEY DO WE GET TO HAVE KIDS AND A FUN ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE ARE TEACHING THEM BASIC LIFE SKILLS AND HELPING

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AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS POWERPOINT WE HAVE A LOT OF PROGRAMS THAT THE KIDS ARE INVOLVED IN AND SO ONE OF THE ONES THAT I AM PARTICULARLY HAPPY ABOUT AS OUR WORKFORCE READINESS PROGRAM BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY AMAZING PARTNERS WE WORK WITH BUT ALSO ABLE FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WHO IS A PART OF HELPING US WITH OUR WORKFORCE TRAINING PROGRAMS AND WORK WITH A LOT OF YOUR STAFF TO INCLUDE ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS ON THE SMALL PROJECTS BUT THE BIG PROJECTS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND WE DID SOME OTHER GREAT PARTNERSHIPS OVER THE LAST OF LAWYERS. OUR YOUTH OF THE YEAR PROGRAM IS A GREAT PROGRAM FOR US.

AS YOU KNOW OUR TWO TIME WINNER STATE WINNER WAS MIA MORRISON AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS WEEK EVEN THOUGH SHE IS NO LONGER AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB MEMBER SHE STILL AN ALUMNI BUT SHE DOESN'T ATTEND SHE GETS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN FRONT OF EXECUTIVES FROM NASCAR AND SHE GETS FLOWN INTO ATLANTA TO DO THAT SO FORT PIERCE, YOU DID WELL WITH HER.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BACK TO THE YOUTH OF THE YEAR IS THAT OUR KIDS GET TO TAKE SOME AMAZING TRIPS. HIS PAST YEAR THEY GOT TO GO TO GUATEMALA AND DO SOME SERVICE PROJECTS. SO WE WORKED REALLY CLOSE WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THE ROTARY CLUB AND AGAIN WE HAD A DONOR IS GOING TO SPONSOR THE KIDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AGAIN. THE FUN PART ABOUT THE TRIP IS THAT THEY GET TO BRING A PARENT SO IT'S THE WHOLE FAMILY KIND OF JOINING AND WORKING TOGETHER.

LAST YEAR, WE HAD TWO KIDS LINKIN PARK AREA THIS UPCOMING YEAR WE WILL HAVE THREE.

SO I AM EXCITED ABOUT THAT. A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS WE WORK OUR REAL-LIFE PROGRAMS THAT KIDS CAN BENEFIT FROM. WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT ONE OF THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT UNHAPPY WE ARE WORKING ON IS AT WESTWOOD ACADEMY SELF-CARE PROGRAM.

WE HAVE A LOCAL BARBER WHO IS DOING SOME BIG THINGS TEACHING KIDS HOW TO CUT HAIR AND I WOULD WAS JUST TOLD A STORY LAST WEEK WHERE A COUPLE DOZEN KIDS AT WESTWOOD ACADEMY GOT A HAIRCUT AND IT MADE A DIFFERENCE. AND I DON'T HAVE HERE NOW BUT ONCE UPON A TIME I WAS A KID WITH HAIR ON MY HEAD AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ALWAYS DONE AND GROOMED AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, COMMISSIONER, YOU KNOW THE FEELING, RIGHT? BUT I DON'T GET TO DO THAT ANYMORE, RIGHT? BUT I HAVE TO FIND OTHER WAYS BUT IN THIS CASE OUR KIDS GET TO REALLY LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND IT MAKES THEM FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES. AND SO, YEP, THE EDUCATION IS GREAT. WE ARE THANKFUL TO BE AT WESTWOOD ACADEMY WE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR WE HAVE A THREE YEAR GRANT TO BE AT THE SCHOOL AND WE ARE SERVING 6200 KIDS EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE OTHER THING I LIKE ABOUT IT IS WE MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR KIDS OVER 2500 KIDS WE SERVE EVERY DAY THEY DON'T MISS A MEAL, EVERY ONE OF OUR KIDS GETS A MEAL AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB. AS I STATED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT OUR CLUBS WE HAVE 25 CLUBS ACROSS THE COUNTY SERVING 16,000 YOUTH AND FORT PIERCE THAT NUMBER OF 275,000 MEALS IS JUST HERE IN A FORT PIERCE THAT WE DESERVE.

ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY LIKE ABOUT FORT PIERCE AND YOUR LEADERSHIP AND OTHER PARTNERS ACROSS THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INFUSE 13 5000 REAL DOLLARS BACK INTO SEVEN PROGRAMS FOR OUR TEAM SO EVERY TEAM THAT'S PART OF BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB GETS EXCITEMENT. WE ARE NOT PAYING THEM TO COME TO THE CLUBS WERE TEACHING THEM FINANCIAL LITERACY, OR TEACHING THEM HOW TO BE RESPONSIBLE YOUNG PEOPLE AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAVE THEIR MONEY OR THEY'RE GOING TO BE PART OF THEIR WHOLE FAMILY UNIT PUTTING FOOD ON THE TABLE OR OTHER SCHOOL CLOSE.

SO IT HAS BEEN A VERY PRODUCTIVE PROGRAM THAT WE WORKED ON AND THAT WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEER HOURS AND THE ECONOMIC VALUE THAT THIS HAS TO OUR COUNTY AND TO INCLUDE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

90 PERCENT OF OUR KIDS ON GRADE LEVEL AND SO WE ARE HAPPY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE BRING TEACHERS,

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AND SO, THAT'S A TESTAMENT OF WHAT FORT PIERCE IS DOING ALTOGETHER WITH THEIR KIDS.

THESE ARE ALL OF OUR PARTNERS OR SOME OF OUR PARTNERS SOME OF OUR BIG PARTNERS.

AND WE COULD NOT DO IT WITHOUT ALL THE PARTNERS WE HAVE LISTED HERE AND OTHERS.

THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ARE IN OUR CLUBS EVERY DAY MAKING A DIFFERENCE.THEY ARE INTERACTING WITH THE KIDS IN A POSITIVE WAY AND I COULD NOT ASK FOR A BETTER POLICE DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

I THINK THEY DO DESERVE A HAND CLAP BECAUSE THEYDO WORK HARD , THEY PLAYED BASKETBALL WITH THE KIDS, THEY SIT AND PLAY CHESS WITH THE KIDS, THEY ARE BEING VERY PRODUCTIVE.

I WAS ASKING FOR A HAND CLAP AND WAS TAKEN AT LEAST ONE PERSON WOULD HELP ME OUT.

[APPLAUSE] >> WE WERE WAITING FOR YOU TO STOP TALKING.

>> IS THAT WHAT WAS IT? OH, SORRY. THE LAST THING I WANT TO LEAVE YOU WITH IS THE KIDS ARE OUR FUTURE AND WE PARTNER WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE, WE PARTNER WITH MUSIC PEOPLE, PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT SETS OF SKILLS BECAUSE IT REALLY IS NOT ABOUT JUST ABOUT BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB IT'S ABOUT OUR YOUTH AND OUR COMMUNITY AND TOGETHER WE CAN DO THIS THING. OUR YOUTH ARE PROVING IT EVERY SINGLE DAY WHEN THEY COME TO THE CLUB ESPECIALLY OUR TEENAGERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE A CHOICE.

THE LITTLE GUYS DON'T HAVE A CHOICE, RIGHT? THEIR PARENTS SAY YOU ARE GOING TO THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OF THE TEENAGERS IN MANY CASES A TWIST TO COME TO US OR ANOTHER AFTERSCHOOL PROGRAM OR GO HOME AND DO WHAT THEY DO AT HOME. SO, I AM THANKFUL FOR THE COLLABORATIONS WITH YOU ALL AND A LOT OF OUR DIVINITY PARTNERS. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS?

>> MCNAMARA, I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT I WANT TO THANK MR., WOW GEEZ, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.

I HAVE NOT SEEN YOU IN A LONG TIME, WILL. IT'S BEEN, THANK YOU FOR THIS UPDATE, YOUR WORK IS TO BE ADMIRED. PTHE THINGS YOU DO AND HOW WE HAVE INSPIRED A YOUNG PEOPLE I THINK REALLY WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTIVATE ON MOST IS THE NUMBER 60,000, RIGHT? THAT'S COMING IN AND WILL BE INFUSED INTO OUR CITY, OR COUNTY, OR ECONOMY AND THE THINGS THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO DO HERE WE ARE PROVIDING A WORKFORCE GETTING THEM READY TO SUSTAIN US AS WE GET UP IN AGE AND MOVE TO THE SIDE AND LET THEM ASSUME THESE POSITIONS AND ROLES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THE WORK YOU SEE THE SEEDS YOU ARE PLANTING AND WEALTH AND HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO DO THAT TO STEP UP INTO THESE ROLES AND REPLACE US APPEAR ON THIS DATE IS AS WE MOVE FROM UP HERE AND SIT OUT IN THE AUDIENCE.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND THINKING TO THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT MAY SEE THIS BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT SOMETIMES TO DO AND TO TAKE INTO RECEIVE.

SOMETIMES YOUNG PEOPLE ARE NOT KINDS, THEY ARE CAGEY OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE TRYING THEMSELVES. WORK AND LEARNING I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THEM AND EVERYTHING THEY ARE DOING TO BETTER THEMSELVES AND MAKE THIS A BETTER FORT PIERCE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING. OKAY, GOOD NIGHT.

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> NEXT WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> AND THE ITEM COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM.

[a. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and approval of an application for a Conditional Use with New Construction (Development and Design Review) submitted by applicant Mike Seal, to construct a single-family residence with a height of 35-feet tall on Surfside Drive, more specifically located at Parcel IDs: 2507-234-0002-000-5 and 2507-234-0003-000-2.]

>> WE MOVED TO PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION OF A CONDITIONAL USE WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW SUBMITTED BY APPLICANT MIGHT SEAL TO CONSTRUCT A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE WITH A

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>> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE ONE QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING TONIGHT AND SO IS EVERYBODY WHO IS INTERESTED IN THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WILL GIVE YOUR ATTENTION TO THE CITY ATTORNEY SHE'S GOING TO GIVE SOME GUIDELINES FOR THE HEARING.

>> MCNAMARA AND COMMISSIONERS. CITY COMMISSION SERVES BOTH LEGISLATIVE AND QUASIJUDICIAL ROLE. WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY COMMISSION ENGAGES IN LAWMAKING ACTIVITY BY PASSING LAW ESTABLISHING POLICIES. WHEN ACTING AS A QUASIJUDICIAL BODY THE COMMISSION APPLIES THOSE LAWS AND POLICIES AND IS HELD TO A STRICTER PROCEDURAL QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS ARE LESS FORMAL THAN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT BUT ARE MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS MUST FOLLOW BASIC STANDARDS OF NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THEREFORE COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO CONDUCT QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES AND LEGISLATORS. THAT IS WHY THE COMMISSION IS ESTABLISHED THE UNIFORMED PROCEDURES FOR QUASIJUDICIAL HEARINGS THAT BEFALL THIS EVENING. FINALLY, NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE DAYS THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY CLERK DURING THE HEARING.

SORRY, IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, SO START, IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK PLEASE GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS WHICH ARE EITHER OF THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THESE PROCEEDINGS ARE NOT CALLED ORDER WITH THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CONFIRM COMPLIANCE WITH THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS.

>> ADVERTISING HAS BEEN MET.

>> AT THIS TIME WOULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EXPERT TAKE MEDICATIONS

>> YES MA'AM . COMMISSIONER BRODERICK

>> I ATTENDED THE BOARD MEETING WITH THIS WAS PRESENTED IN ADDITION I HAVE NUMEROUS EMAILS FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND PHONE CALLS.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER SEE JOHNSON.

>> I RECEIVED EMAILS REGARDING THIS MATTER.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER JAY JOHNSON.

>> I HAD CORRESPONDENCE AND CONVERSATIONS WITH CITY RESIDENTS.

>> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES MA'AM I HAD EMAILS FROM CITY RESIDENTS. I HAVE HAD TEXT AND ALSO WATCHED A PLANNING BOARD MEETING AND SO.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> NOW, WE JUDGES WERE IN ANY WITNESSES THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER?

>> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER PLEASE STAND. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC IF YOU PLAN TO COME FORWARD FOR PUBLIC, YOU WILL NEED TO STAND, PLEASE.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> WE ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM STAFF NOW AND ANYONE WHO COMES TO THE PODIUM WHEN WE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN AND I WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN THAT HAPPENS. STAFF, PROCEEDED.

>> MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONERS, TONIGHT BEFORE YOU IS AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE FOR A RESIDENCE AND PARTIAL IDS AT 25072340002005 AND 25072340003 0002.

THE APPLICANT IS IT MIGHT SEAL WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEING ERIC AND SANDRA OLSON AND THE PARTIAL IDS PARTIAL IDS ARE THOSE WHAT I JUST READ. SUMMARY IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 1 2576 AND 120 5192B4 OF THE CITY CODE THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE FOR 35 FOOT TALL SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE.

DUE TO THE EXISTING HEIGHT OF THE JUNE AND BASE FLOOD ELEVATION THE SECOND FLOOR ELEVATION NEEDED TO RISE APPROXIMATELY NINE FEET EIGHT INCHES ABOVE THE BASE FLOOR ELEVATION CONSEQUENTIALLY GREATLY REDUCING THE ALLOWANCE FOR TALL CEILINGS FOR MULTILEVEL DESIGN. THIS IS THE SITE LOCATION. WITH AN AREA OF 1.04 GIVE OR TAKE ACRES. THE EXISTING AND FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THE EXISTING ZONING IS SINGLE-FAMILY INTERMEDIATE DENSITY WHICH IS R 2 FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE HEIGHT AND THIS IS A DIAGRAM TO SHOW YOU THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILYRESIDENCE .

THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE GARAGE AREA. FOR THE FIRST FLOOR.

FOR THE SECOND FLOOR AND FOR THE ROOF. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT

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SO THE RECOMMENDATION TODAY FOR STAFF IS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION OF APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION CAN GIVE HIS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL CONDITIONS OR A RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL.

AND BEFORE I FINISH UP I WOULD JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT FOR SOME OF THE THINGS I KNOW WILL BE LOOKED AT. SECTION 120 5192 SINGLE-FAMILY INTERMEDIATE ZONE R 2 IS NO BUILDING SHALL EXCEED OF 20 FEET ABOVE.XCEPT CONDITIONAL USE FOR BUILDINGS HAVE A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF 35 FEET MAY BE APPROVED. BECAUSE THIS IS IN A SOUTH BEACH OVERLAY DISTRICT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT STIPULATION. SECTION 120 51571 C3 WHERE I SAY SO MAXIMUM STRUCTURE HEIGHT SHOULD BE THE FEMALE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION SO THE HIGHEST POINT OF THE ROOF EXCLUDING A NONEDIBLE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE.ECTION 122 279 GENERAL EXCEPTIONS TO BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITATIONS RECALL PROJECTIONS SUGGEST CHIMNEYS,SPIRES, ARROWS, FLAGPOLES , OBJECTS NOT USED FOR HUMAN OCCUPANCY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITATIONS OF THIS CHAPTER. AND THEN JUST FOR REFERENCE I HAVE INCLUDED THE ENTIRE FLORIDA STATE STATUTE 509032 THIS IS 7A AND THEN AT B AND C, THANK YOU.

>> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? PHYSICS COMMISSIONER BRODERICK

>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

FIRST, THIS IS R2 ZONING COST VACATION?

>> YES.

>> R2 IS STRICTLY FOR RESIDENTIAL USE, RIGHT? THERE ARE NO COMMERCIAL ADAPTATIONS ALLOWED IN THE R2 CLASSIFICATION? I JUST WANT THAT ON THE RECORD AT THE ONSET HERE NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION LATER AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

>> HAVING HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD FOREVER IT SEEMS LIKE THE FEMA FLOOD HEIGHTS IS SOMEWHAT OF A CONFUSING MATRIX. I WANT TO WALK TO THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS HERE SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS PRECISELY WHAT IT IS WE ARE DEALING WITH. I'M GOING TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT INTERJECT INSTANTLY IF I'M NOT WORKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION SO EVERYONE GETS THE SAME INFORMATION. NOW, THE FEMA FLOOD HEIGHTS AND I'M GOING TO SAY OFF OF THE STREET LET'S USE STREET GRADE JUST TO USE SOMETHING THAT'S A DEMARCATION POINT .

WE ARE NOW TO MEET THE FEMA FLOOD HEIGHTS REQUIREMENT WE ARE AT NINE FEET EIGHT INCHES OVER STREET GRADE. CORRECT?

>> NOT.

>> NO, OKAY SO FILL ME IN.

>> AS YOU CAN SEE IT'S ABOUT FOUR FEET FROM THE GRADED TO THE ACTUAL FLOOD ELEVATION.

>> SO THE FIRST FLOOR IS GARAGE SPACE AND SO TO GET TO SECOND FLOOR WHICH IS HABITABLE SPACE IS NINE FEET EIGHT?

>> YES, SIR. >> FOUR FEET OF THE INITIAL GRADE IS THE FLOODED GRADE NINE FOOT EIGHT IS THE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHT OF THE SECOND

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GETTING US TO THE 28 FOOT REQUIREMENT PLUS A SEVEN FOOT CONDITIONAL HEIGHT REQUEST.

THEN ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE AN ELEVATOR SHAFT, WE HAVE I AM ASSUMING A ROOFTOP DECK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BUILDING?

>> THERE IS BUT IT'S BELOW THE 35 FEET.

>> NOW THE ELEVATOR SHAFT ITSELF IS EXCLUDED FROM THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT SO WE ARE AT 20 FEET +7, 35 FEET, PLUS WHAT'S BELOW THAT? KNIFE AT EIGHT? FOUR FEET, SIR. WE ARE AT 39 FEET PLUS THE PELEVATOR HEIGHT AS WELL WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED . WITH ALL THAT INCORPORATED, WHAT IS THE OVERALL HEIGHT THE FINISHED HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF EXCLUSIVE OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT 2 30 5B, CORRECT?

>> ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN ALTOGETHER IS 39.

>> 39 ABOVE THE FINISH GRADE INCLUSIVE OF THE FEMA FLOOD CONTROL LIMIT SO WE HAVE A 39 FOOT STRUCTURE.

>> YES, SIR.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW, I AM GOOD.

>> ANYONE ELSE? QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

>> MAYOR, IF YOU COULD BRING BACK THE LANDSCAPE PLAN. I'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AND OF COURSE JUST USING SOME OF OUR CITY CODE LOOKING INTO THE PROJECT THAT IS HERE.

COULD YOU DESCRIBE FOR ME THE AREA IN FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE THE LANDSCAPING, THE IMPROVEMENTS, THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS INCLUDING AN IMPERVIOUS AREAS THAT MIGHT BE THERE FOR THOSE BRICK PAVERS THOSE ARE CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS OBVIOUSLY POSSIBLY.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN.

>> OF COURSE, YET THE PARKING AREA INTO THE GARAGES SO IT'S GOING TO BE THE IMPERVIOUS FEATURES ALONG WITH THE GIVEN LANDSCAPE CARE. IT NEEDS CODE BECAUSE OF HER SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ALL YOU NEED IS BEFORE TREES AND THEY NEED THEY NEED THAT.

>> WHAT IS THE DRIVEWAY COMING FROM THE CITY CODE I KNOW REQUIRES CONCRETE BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THEPROPERTY BOUNDARY? IS IT BRICK PAVER OR CONCRETE ? MAYBE THE NEXT EVICTION IS BIGGER I JUST SAW THE NEXT SLIDE THERE IS IT, DO WE KNOW THAT?

>> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE.

>> MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER WHEN THEY COME FORWARD I AM SURE THEY ARE TAKING NOTES.

THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT SO THE OTHER PART OF THIS THE REASON I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT OR HEAR FROM YOU THE CALCULATION OF THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT, RIGHT? SO THE CALCULATION OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS A PERCENTAGE OF THE OVERALL ACREAGE SO WHAT IS THAT?

>> SO FOR CALCULATING THE BUILDING WE LOOK AT THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND THAT IS 5000, IT IS 16 PERCENT OF THE LOT AREA WHICH MAKES THE REGULATION AS IN THE R2 DISTRICT ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THE BUILDING MORE THAN 30 PERCENT SO THEY NEED THAT REGULATION OF BUILDING COVERAGE.

>> SO BUILDING COVERAGE IS ALLOWABLE IN THE R2 AND THAT CORRELATES WITH THE SOUTH BEACH OVERLAY AT 30 PERCENT BUILDER LOT AREA. SOPHIA SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE HERE IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY HAVE THIS SHADE OR A RECTANGULAR BOX OR A SQUARE BOX I'M ALLOWED 30 PERCENT COVERAGE DOESN'T INCLUDE BACK PORCHES OR SHEDS OR DRIVEWAYS AND ALL THOSE THINGS.

>> IT WOULD INCLUDED SHEDS BUT ANYTHING UNDER A ROOF IS TECHNICALLY WHAT WE CONSIDER LOT USAGE SO THE PORTIONS OF THE POOL DOES NOT ACCOUNT FOR THAT.

>> THE GREEN SPACE THAT IS PROVIDED HERE ALSO PROVIDED IN THE AREAS YOU SHADED OR THAT WAS PROVIDED HOWEVER THIS WAS CREATED THOSE ARE GRANARIES OR LANDSCAPE BEDS OR SOD OR SOMETHING.

>> YES, SIR. P

>> THE OTHER QUESTION IN REGARDS IT'S GOING BACK TO PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS AREAS.

DURING THE TECHNICAL REVIEW PROCESS OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT GETS TO WAY AND, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT WERE THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS COMMENTS ON A TECHNICAL REVIEW AS FAR AS VOTING COVERAGE, DRIVEWAY, STORM WATER MANAGEMENT?

>> THEY HAD APPROVED THOSE. HEY ARE IN THE SEVILLE PACKET OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I DON'T

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>> SO IT WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY WITHOUT THEIR STAMP OF APPROVAL SO THEY WANTED FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE AND EVALUATED THE STORM WATER SYSTEM ?

>> YES, SIR.

>> IS THERE ANOTHER DIAGRAM OF THE SIDE YARD SETBACK ANY BUFFER SPACE ANYTHING OF THAT

NATURE? >> YES, SIR.

THE SIDE SETBACKS IN THIS DISTRICT ARE 70 SEVEN FEET. IT'S AN APPOINTMENT ON ONE SIDE AND 14 ON THE OTHER SO THEY MADE THE SUBJECTS THERE. THEY MAKE THE BACKYARD SUPER WHICH IS 25 FEET AND THE REAR WOULD BE 15 AND THEY NEED THAT AS WELL.

>> THE LAST QUESTION IS ENVIRONMENTAL AND THE DEP REGULATIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW WE ARE APPROACHING SENSITIVE AREAS SO WHAT KIND OF PERMITTING ASPECTS DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE OR THE LAND OWNER IN REGARDS TO DEP?

>> THEY WILL HAVE TO GET THE CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET DEP INSPECTION BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD AND THAT WILL COME AT A LATER STEP.

>> THAT'S REGARDING THE DO NOT LINE IF THERE'S SEE GRAPES, TURTLES OR TURTLE GLASS.

>> ANY KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS THEY WILL HAVE TO MEET THAT AND THAT WILL BE AT THAT LATER STAGE, AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT PARKING. DO THEY HAVE AMPLE PARKING FOR THIS SIZE?

>> YES, OUR CITY REGULATIONS REQUIRE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO HAVE TWO PARKING SPOTS AND I HAVE LEAVE IT THERE'S EIGHT GARAGES SO THEY EXCEEDED PARKING.

>> YOU TALKED ABOUT SETBACKS BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO FLOORS OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IT MEETS THE SETBACKS IS THAT CORRECT? AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS SHADING AND IF THIS AREA IS PRONE TO FLOODING HOW DO WE PROTECT AND MAKE SURE THIS IS NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTED, THE AREA?

>> THEY DID SUBMIT THEIR UTILITY, SORRY, THEIR DRAINAGE PLAN AND ENGINEERING LOOKED AT THAT AND THEY BELIEVED IT MET CODE.

>> MCNAMARA. ALSO THE DRAINAGE AND STORMWATER ISSUES WILL BE FULLY REVIEWED DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT STAGE. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT NOW ON-SITE SIGNOFF THAT THE STORM WATER IS TAKEN CARE OF BY BUILDING PERMIT STAGE.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT, I REMEMBER THAT. SOMEWHERE IN THERE IN THE COMMENTS TALKED ABOUT THERE IS NOT WASTEWATER AVAILABLE OR IF THE UA SO HAVE YOU TALKED ABOU ?

>> THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO MADE AWARE THAT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT THERE IS NO CONNECTION BUT THEY CAN EXTEND BOTH THE SEWER AND WATER TO CONNECT.

>> OBVIOUSLY, NO PLAN.

>> TO GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT INSTALLED BEFORE.

>> RIGHT, RIGHT OKAY. I THINK THAT WAS MY LIST.

>> TO FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS, HAS THIS PLAN BEEN MODIFIED IN ANY CONTEXT PRIOR TO THE BOARD MEETING BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO RECOLLECT THEREWAS A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ABOUT 7 AND A HALF FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACKS ? > NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

IT DOESN'T SAY RIGHT HERE AT 7.5 FOR THE BUILDING SETBACKS THAT'S RIGHT HERE.

I THINK THEY MEANT THAT AS THAT WAS OUR CODE. OUR CODE IS SEVEN FEET NOT 7.5.

>> THE DISCUSSION ARTICLE ACCEPTED THE MEETING AND THE DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD TO THE APPLICANT WAS RELATIVE TO THE SETBACKS AS A MATTER FACT ONE OF THE MEMBERS DRILLED INTO THE ISSUE RATHER EXTENSIVELY AT THAT MEETING AND THE POINT WAS YOUR BASICALLY MAXING OUT YOUR SIDE YARD SO THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT I'M ASSUMING THEN AND THE DISCUSSION POINT WAS ACTUALLY 14 FEET MAYBE THEY CAN SHED A LIGHT ON THAT WHEN THEY COME UP.

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT HAS NOT BEEN MODIFIED BUT I CAN LET THE APPLICANT THAT.

>> SECOND FOLLOW-UP QUESTION IS RELATIVE TO THE HEIGHT ISSUE AGAIN.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SOUTH BEACH OVERLAY WE HAVE A 28 FOOT GROSS HEIGHT RESTRICTION AND IN THE FOUR FEET FOR THE FEMA FLOOD CONTROL POINT ETC. SO A 32 FOOT STRUCTURE THE ONLY

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>> GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, QUICK QUESTION. I SEE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURAL WALL STRUCTURE HERE, I GUESS. COULD YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THAT? SAW THE FRONT PART OF IT LOOKS LIKE AN IRON GATE TO ME SO BASICALLY WHAT WILL COME DOWN ON THE SIDE AS FAR AS THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE GATE.

>> IT WILL BE PUT IN LIKE A FENCE OR BARRIER AND AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE SIX FOOT HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IN THE CONSTRUCTION THE MATERIALS THAT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THAT WALL IN PLACE.

>> SO IT'LL WALL AN OFFENSE OR IS IT A FENCE? MAYBE WHEN THE APPLICANT COMES FORTH I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS IF IT'S A CONCRETE WALL OR IF IT'S A FENCE I WOULD LIKE BUT YOU DON'T KNOW OF AT THIS MOMENT? NOT A PROBLEM.

GO BACK TO THE HEIGHT ONE MORE TIME. I'M GETTING IT SLOWLY BUT SURELY. RIGHT SO, SO, IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR.

SO BASICALLY, THE LIVABLE SPACE ON THE ROOF GOES UP 35 FEET THE ELEVATOR SHAFT EXTENDS A LITTLE FURTHER TO GO UP ON TOP OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT I THOUGHT I SAW A VISUAL THAT HAD LIKE A DECK, PATIO AREA IS THATON TOP OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT ? IT'S NOT.

>> IS THIS AREA HERE.

>> SO IS THAT SAME 35 GRADE LEVEL. THIS TOP PART OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT THAT STICKS UP, RIGHT? THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS ELEVATOR SHAFT IS AN EXPOSED, IS IT ENCASED IN CEMENT ETC. AND IT JUST GOES UP AND IT'S BEHIND LIKE A CEMENT WALL? IT'S NOT A CLASS A GLASS ELEVATOR THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE?

>> THE RENDERINGS DID NOT SHOW IT AS GLASS.

>> JUST CURIOUS, OKAY, GO BACK TO SMALL QUICK QUESTION. THE PIECE OFF THE BACK HERE THE PROPOSED BEACH ACCESS WALKWAY IS THAT PRIVATE TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE OR IS THAT PUBLIC PROPERTY HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS PIECE BACK HERE?

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE THIS GOES BACK ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY TO THE BEACH.

>> SO IS MAINTAINED AND SUSTAINED BY THEM AND RESPONSIBLE BY THEM IT'S ON THE PROPERTY THEY ARE CURRENTLY ON? ALL RIGHT, OKAY.

>> JUST SO FOR CORPORATION THE LIGHTING SO IT DOESN'T DISTURB THE TURTLES WHO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS?

>> THAT REVIEW COMESAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT .

>> SO THEY WILL HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT PARTICULAR ?

>> IT'S STATE LAW SO THE STATE IS IN CHARGE OF THAT BUILDING CODE.

>> ALSO, THE WHOLE JUNE ASPECT HAS TO BE STILL WAITING BY DP? FLORIDA DEP, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES.

>> THAT'S A STEP THAT STILL HAS TO HAPPEN THAT DOES NOT HAVE A DISJUNCTURE?

>> YES.

>> TWO MORE QUESTIONS, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES WHAT PERSONAL LIES TO THE SOUTH? THE CITY PARK.

>> IT IS A BEACH.

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>> OF EACH ENTRANCE AND THEN TO THE NORTH OF THAT?

>> IT IS ANOTHER SINGLE-FAMILY, SORRY, R2 PARCEL.

>> SURFSIDE PARK. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD OUR BEARINGS STRAIGHT ALSO JUST OFF OF THE WALL SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FENCING THAT WILL COME IN THE APPLICANT CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. SO IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE A FEW MONTHS AGO THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE IMPACT OF DEVELOPMENT. REMEMBER, WE TALKED ABOUT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PLANS. WITH A SET OF DRAWINGS AND APPLICATIONS THAT'S HERE TODAY GOING BACK TO THAT LANDSCAPE IF YOU COULD OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO EVALUATE AND RESPOND TO AND/OR WITHIN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALSO REVIEW WHAT'S ON PAPER HERE TO SEE WHAT KIND OF STORMWATER CONTROL MECHANISMS THAT THEY HAVE GOT TO NOT IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> YES, SIR. THEIR CONCEPTUAL DRAINAGE PLAN WAS REVIEWED WHEN I WENT TO DPC ARE THEY WILL ALSO HAVE TO GET THAT APPROVED, AS WELL.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE CAN WE GO BACK TO THE PICTURES YOU HAVE? RIGHT THERE. THIS JUST CAUGHT MY EYE AND I HAVE A QUESTION PERTAINING TO IT. WE ARE OBSERVING THE ELEVATOR SHAFT HERE IN THE CENTER OF THIS RENDERING TO THE LEFT OF THAT IS THE 35 FOOT FINISHED HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, CORRECT? TO THE LEFT OF THAT, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT APPEARS WE HAVE A LOWER FINISHED HEIGHT WITH SOME TYPE OF I'M ASSUMING PATIO AREA OR GLASS.

>> YES, IT'S A LIKE A DECK.

>> EIGHT DECK ENCLOSURE SO YOU DON'T FALL OFF OF IT. A RAILING.

I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT WORK, THANK YOU. SO JUST TO BE CERTAIN ABOUT THIS THE LEFT-HAND ELEVATION OF THE FINISHED STRUCTURE IS TALLER THAN THE RIGHT-HAND AREA OF THE FINISHED STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF THE DECK AND THE RAILING AND THE GLASS ENCLOSURE I'M SURE THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT THOSE ARE. SO THAT SECTION OF THE BUILDING IS ACTUALLY FINISHED INTERIOR SPACE IS LOWER. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NET DIFFERENTIAL IS.

>> NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

>> I WILL SAVE THAT QUESTION FOR THEM.

>> WOULD IT BE FAIR TO ASSUME THAT THE BUILDING THIS IS A QUESTION FOR STAFF THAT THE BUILDING ROOF ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE AND THE RAILING TOP OF RAIL ARE THE SAME ELEVATION THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN THIS RENDERING,IS THAT ACCURATE IS THAT AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT

? >> LOOKING AT THE DRAWING THAT LOOKS LIKE AN ACCURATE ASSESSMENT.

> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING WITH THAT A DIFFERENTIAL IN HEIGHT.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR STAFF? OKAY NOW I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. IS THE APPLICANT HERE? OKAY AND.

STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE, SIR.

>> MIKE SEAL 806 DELAWARE AVENUE.

>> MR. STEEL, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> NO QUESTIONS, THANK YOU. >> YOU WERE SWORN IN, RIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK TO US OR WOULD YOU LIKE US TO ASK QUESTIONS COME UP TO YOU?

>> I HAVE A PRESENTATION TO RUN THERE. AND OVER THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED JUST THAT.

>> YOU HAVE 20 MINUTES, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE 20 MINUTES BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE.

>> REGARDING THE FINISH OF THE DRIVEWAY.

>> ONE MINUTE IT IS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM.

>> IT WILL BE IN A PDF FORMAT, THANKS.

>> REGARDING THE DRIVEWAY FINISH THOSE WILL BE PAVERS. SO IT WILL NOT BE SOLID

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>> PAVERS YOU MIGHT BE CLOSER BECAUSE WERE HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU.

> THERE WILL BE PAVERS IN AT THE DRIVEWAY. REGARDING DEAN DEP WILL BE GOING THROUGH DEP ONCE WE GO TO THE CITY FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE.WE HAVE NOT MODIFIED THE PLANS SINCE PLANNING BOARD MEETING ALL THE SETBACKS REMAIN THE SAME, THE BUILDING PERMIT OR IS THE SAME AS WE WERE AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING. THE PERMIT BARRIER IS A FENCE LIKE A WROUGHT IRON FENCE IT'S NOT A WALL, A SOLID WALL. THE OBSERVATION DECK THAT IS THREE FEET BELOW THE MAX BUILDING HEIGHT TO ALLOW FOR THE RAILINGS SO THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE OBSERVATION DECK IS 32 FEET. AND THEN LASTLY, OF COURSE, WE WILL COMPLY WITH ALL MATERIAL LIGHTING AND NECESSARY DO NOT PAYMENT AND EVERYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THAT. BASICALLY, STAFF DID A GREAT JOB LEADING US TO THE PROJECT EXPLAINING EVERYTHING. I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THE PROJECT ONE, WHAT MY CLIENT CHALLENGED ME TO DO AND PRODUCE AND THE TERMS OF DESIGN.

THE HARDSHIPS WE WERE PRESENTED BY THE SITE, WHAT WE DID TO OVERCOME THE HARDSHIPS AND FINALLY, EXAMPLES OF PRESIDENTS OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE VARIANCE THAT HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY. THE NUMBER ONE OBJECTIVE FOR MY CLIENT WAS TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE OCEAN FROM HIS MAIN A LIVING FLOOR AND OF COURSE IS A RAISED FLOOR WITH THE VETERANS ARE. I AM SURE EVERYONE THAT OWNS OR WOULD OWN OCEANFRONT PROPERTY WOULD WANT TO SEE THE OCEAN , AS WELL. SECOND OBJECTIVE ON HIS LIST HE IS SIX FOOT SIX HE IS HERE TONIGHT I AM SURE HE WILL SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION HE HAS TO HAVE TALL CEILINGS. HE FAVORS A MODERN DESIGN AND THEN OF COURSE ALL THE BEDROOMS ON THE UPPER FLOOR HE WANTED TO HAVE FULL VIEW OF THE OCEAN FROM OF THOSE BEDROOMS, AS WELL. NOW, AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING THERE WAS A LOT OF CONCERN FROM OF THE NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS BEING A VACATION RENTAL.

THIS IS NOT A VACATION RENTAL THIS IS GOING TO BE A NEW PRIMARY RESIDENCE FOR HIS FAMILY. HIM AND HIS WIFE AND HIS FOUR CHILDREN.

THEY HAVE A VERY LARGE FAMILY. REGARDING THE HARDSHIPS, I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED HERE THE DUNE WHICH IS DEPICTED ON THAT LEGAL SERVICE AND THE HEIGHTS OF THE SAND OF THE DUNE AND THE HEIGHT OF THE STREET. THE TOP OF THE SAND IS A PROXIMATELY 12 FEET ABOVE THE ROAD AND THEN YOU ADD ON VEGETATION AND SEAGRASS THAT NEED TO BE MAINTAINED.

WE NEED TO BE ABOUT 16 FEET ABOVE THE ROAD TO SEE THE OCEAN.

SO THESE ARE BOTH THE SAME SECTION THE TOP ONE IS JUST ENLARGED SO WE CAN SEE A LITTLE MORE DETAIL. BASICALLY, THE FIRST OBSTACLE TO SEE THE OCEAN OR OBJECTIVE TO SEE THE OCEAN WAS TO GET ABOVE THE DUNE SO OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO THEIR IS FOR THE FINISHED FLOOR OF THE MAIN LIVING FLOOR ABOVE THE DUNE WERE AT DUNE LEVEL.

WE KEPT IT AT DUNE LEVEL. AND THEN FROM THERE WE HAD IN 10-11 FOOT CEILINGS, SPACE FOR STRUCTURE, MECHANICAL WE PUSH PAST THAT 28 FEET LIMITATION PRETTY QUICKLY.

IF WE WERE TO TRY TO STAY DOWN BELOW THE 28 FEET AND COMPLY WITH THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AND STILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE OCEAN FROM THE MAIN LIVING FLOOR OUR CEILINGS WOULD BE EIGHT FEET OR LESS. OBVIOUSLY, WITH A SIX FOOT SIX PERSON THAT'S NOT COMFORTABLE.

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SO, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK, PRESENT AND YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT.

>> MET WITH MAYOR, I WILL GO FIRST IF I COULD. MR. SEAL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THANK YOU TO THE RESPONSES TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE HAD.

I THINK I UNDERSTAND IT BUT IF YOU COULD TALK ABOUT BRICK PAVERS AND IMPERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS THE DESIGNER'S PERSPECTIVE, PLEASE.

>> PERVIOUS PAVERS ALLOW WATER TO DRAIN THROUGH AND A SOLID CONCRETE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT IT IS IMPERVIOUS. AND A REGULAR PAVERS ARE IMPERVIOUS.

THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT CALCULATION FOR WHAT IS IMPERVIOUS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SAND, GROUT IN BETWEEN. THE SITE IS DESIGNED AND MET ALL THE IMPERVIOUS REQUIREMENTS WITHOUT THE PAVERS IN THE DRIVEWAY BEING PERVIOUS PAVERS. AT THIS TIME, DETERMINING EXACTLY IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR.

IT'S A COST IMPLICATION THAT WILL NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THE CLIENT.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE GETTING TOWARDS THE TOTAL GREEN AREA OF THE SITE AND THE PERVIOUS AREA AND WE NEED THAT WITHOUT THOSE WE MEET THAT WITHOUT THOSE BEING IMPERVIOUS PAVERS.

>> WE DID A CALCULATION OF PERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS TO LOOK AT THE OVERALL PROJECT BOUNDARY? BECAUSE IN THE SURVEY I WAS A LITTLE PERPLEXED WHEN I SAW THE SURVEY WENT ALL THE WAY TO THE OCEAN, BASICALLY. WHICH IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY I WAS NOT SURE I HAD EVER SEEN THAT BUT THAT'S OKAY IT DOESN'T MEAN I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT PERSONALLY, RIGHT? SO I LOOK AT IT AND SAID, WOW. SO IN YOUR CALCULATION WHEN YOU CAREFULLY UP TO THE DUNE LINE OR HOW TO COPE WITH THE PERVIOUS AND IMPERVIOUS? A MOSQUITO STORM WATER AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS I ENCOUNTERED REGARDED STORMWATER IN A PLAN. SO JUST LEAVE ME THROUGH THAT PROCESS, IF YOU COULD.

>> I'M GOING TO TRY TO PULL UP THE CIVIL PLAN. OKAY SO, CALCULATIONS PER CODE ARE BASED ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY THAT THE CLIENT OWNS. REGARDLESS THAT THE BUILDABLE AREA OF THIS SITE IS WEST OF THE DUNE THE CALCULATIONS ARE BASED ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT. ALL OF THE DRAINAGE IS MEANT TO STAY ON PROPERTY. AS SHOWN HERE WHERE WE HAVE THE DRAINAGE TROUGHS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP THAT WATER ON THEIR SIDE.

>> OKAY, SO YOU HAVE CALCULATED IT IN BASED ON THE AREA OF IMPROVEMENT BUT ALSO THE COMPILATION INCLUDES FOR THE PERVIOUS CALCULATION BEING YOU INCLUDED THE ENTIRE COUNSEL PARCEL? BASED ON YOUR TESTIMONY A FEW MINUTES AGO IF THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES TO BRICK PAVERS WHETHER THEY ARE PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS AND THAT COULD ALSO PROVIDE SOME BENEFITS TO THE STORM WATER MANAGEMENT PLAN YOU HAVE PRESENTED.

>> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT, THE FENCING YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE DUNE CROSSOVER THAT'S PART OF YOUR

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>> WE SUBMIT IT ALL AND ALL IS ONE TO THEM.

>> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE HYPE PLAN, HEIGHT PLAN, THAT WASN'T IT.

>> I WILL GET IT. IS THIS THE ONE?

>> OKAY SO, JUST SO I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THERE'S A TON OF DATA IN HEREOBVIOUSLY AND IT'S VERY DETAILED , VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION. YOUR FIRST FLOOR YOU ARE INDICATING THAT THE TOP OF DUNE VEGETATION IS 16 FEET OF GROWTH WHAT IS THE FINISHED GRADE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR?

>> FROM A BREAK? WE ARE 13 FEET EIGHT INCHES FROM GRADE.

>> THAT IS UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE THEN YOU HAVE WHAT APPEARS AS THOUGH, I DON'T SEE THE ANSWER ON THE PLAN HER , BUT WHAT IS YOUR FINISHED CEILING HEIGHT OF THE SECOND FLOOR? THIS IS A VARIATION BECAUSE ELEVATOR SHAFT LEFT IS HIGHER THAN ELEVATOR SHAFT RIGHT, CORRECT?

>> CORRECT.

>> WHAT IS THE FINISHED CEILING HEIGHT OF BOTH OF THOSE AREAS?

>> THE THIRD FLOOR THE CEILING WE HAVEN'T CALCULATED EXACTLY WHAT THE CEILING IS BECAUSE THIS IS CONCEPTUAL. WE HAVE TAKEN SOME CONSIDERATION FOR WHAT WE ASSUME THE STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE BUT TOP OF THIRD FLOOR TO THE TOP OF THE ROOF 35 FEET WE HAVE THE 12 FEET EIGHT.

>> 12-8 THAT TELLS ME THE CORRESPONDING HEIGHT TO THE RIGHT OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT IS 948 YOU INDICATED THE CLASS RAILING AREA IS THREE FEET.

>> YES OH, THIS IS AN OPEN DECK AND THE RAILING IS A THREE FEET.

SO THIS IS 34 SORRY 31.6 TO THE DECK. AND THERE IS NO CEILING ON THE SKY DECK. IT'S OPEN AIR.

>> WHAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS THE PARALLEL BETWEEN THE LEFT-HAND AREA TO THE LEFT OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT.

>> ALL THIS IS A DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE. ARE WE TALK ABOUT THIS AREA HERE? THIS IS A DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE IN THE LIVING ROOM AND THAT IS I DON'T HAVE THAT.

>> 31 FEET SIX INCHES TO THAT AREA TO THE TOP OF THE CEILING OR TOP OF THE ROOF IS REALLY A NUMBER I WAS GETTING AT, THANK YOU.

>> THAT IT?

>> FOR NOW, THANK YOU.

>> GOT ANYTHING MORE? NO? ALL RIGHT, WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH DO YOU HAVE ANYBODY ELSE WHO IS WITH YOU THAT WANTS TO SPEAK NOW OR DO YOU WANT THEM TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENTS?

>> I HAVE THE CLIENT I WILL LEAVE IT UP TO THEM IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK NOW OR WAIT TILL COMMENTS. HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK OUT, SO, THANK YOU.

>> PLEASE, FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND, WELCOME.

>> ALL RIGHT, NICE TO MEET EVERYBODY FIRST TIME HERE MY NAME IS ERIC OLSON I'M THE OWNER OF THIS AMAZING HEALTHCARE.YOU KNOW, JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME BECAUSE I HAVE NOT MET A LOT OF YOU GET. I THINK MIKE DID A GREAT JOB. I WAS IMPRESSED BY THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB PRESENTATION THAT WAS AWESOME, BY THE WAY. I JUST TALKED TO CHARLIE MY NEIGHBOR BACK THERE AND WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT BEING A FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR AND THAT'S

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YEAH, I'M SUPER EXCITED TO GET TO KNOW EVERYBODY SEEMS LIKE A GREAT BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN A FORT PIERCE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR TO EVERYBODY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THEM.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND BEING HERE TONIGHT.

IS IT THE INTENTION THIS PROPERTY WILL BE USED FOR ANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ACTIVITY?

>> NOT AT ALL, NO.

>> WE HEARD A NUMBER OF COMMENTS TONIGHT MR. OLSON AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

>> JUST FLEW IN. > NOT OFTEN WE GET FOLKS THAT COME IN AS THE OWNER AND AS THE APPLICANT SPECIFICALLY USUALLY WE ARE WITH THE DESIGN TEAM WHICH IS FINE WE LOVE OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS. WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE WITH US. YOU HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE COMMENTS SO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IF YOU LOOK AT OF ANY SURGERY IN YOURRESEARCH WHICH ANSWER YOU HAVE DONE SOME .

HISTORIC CITY, RIGHT? VERY, VERY QUAINT NEAT LITTLE BEACH TOWN ON THE COAST HERE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD AS FAR AS THE COMMENTS OF HOW TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR? YOU TALK ABOUT BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR SO WHAT ELSE CAN YOU TELL US TONIGHT?

>> I AM A FAMILY GOT, I COACH FOOTBALL, I HAVE A BUNCH OF KIDS AND PLAN ON HAVING A COUPLE MORE KIDS. MY WIFE DESIGNED THE HOME SHE LIKES THE MODERN HOME.

ONCE THIS IS DONE I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVE EVERYONE OVER FOR A HOUSEWARMING PARTY AND HAVING SOME FUN OUT THERE. THAT'S PART OF BEING A FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR AND LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT SOME GOOD RESTAURANTS AND GOOD CHURCHES OUT HERE.

OBVIOUSLY, EVERYONE'S VALUE WILL GO UP AROUND THE AREA I KNOW THERE'S THE DESIGN THAT'S COMING OUT AS WELL THE HILTON HOTEL BUILDING THINGS LIKE THAT SO IT'S EXCITING LOTS OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN THE FORT PIERCE. LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO EVERYONE AND GETTING TO KNOW EVERYBODY SO THAT'S WHERE I'M FROM.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I SAY THOSE THINGS BECAUSE AS AN HISTORIC TOWN, A VERY QUAINT TOWN, WE WORK HARD AT KEEPING OUR STREETS AND OUR DRAINAGE AND WE BEAUTIFIED, WE KEEP THE STREETS UP, NOT EVERY AREA IS PERFECT. WE WORK ON EVERY SINGLE DAY THIS COMMISSION WORKS VERY HARD ON THAT SO I JUST SHARED THAT WITHYOU .

YOU TALK ABOUT WORKING YOUR TEAM TALKED ABOUT FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AT LEAST STAFF TALK ABOUT THAT IN CONNECTING TO LOCAL UTILITY SO YEAH I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WHILE I GOT A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU I KNOW IS YOUR TIME TO TESTIFY BUT I JUST WANTED TO CONVEY THAT INFORMATION SO, THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A GREAT BUILDER AND A GREAT ARCHITECT AND A GREAT DESIGN TEAM AND IS IN THEIR HANDS AND I'LL BE OVERSEEING THE PROJECT AND I'LL BE BACK AND FORTH AND ONCE THEY ARE DONE I WILL BE HERE FULL-TIME.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY SO, NOW IT'S TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS SO IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. AND SO, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST?

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, BOARD, STAFF MICHAEL FOR THE RECORD 1363 BAYSHORE.

A LITTLE CONTEXT ABOUT THE BUILDING ON SOUTH BEACH AS A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAME UP.

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>> EXCUSE ME, WERE YOU SWORN PIN?

>> YES. ANYHOW, A LITTLE CONTEXT ABOUT BUILDING ON SOUTH BEACH I RECENTLY COMPLETED MY HOME I'M GLAD HE'S HERE, GLAD THE ENTHUSIASM FOR FORT PIERCE LOOK FORWARD TO SEE MORE. YOU SHOP SO, THANK YOU. WE TALKED ABOUT FLOODPLAINS BUILDING DEPARTMENT REQUIRES A FOOT ABOVE THAT I KNOW WE WERE TALK ABOUT SEVEN FEET BUT BECAUSE IT'S A GARAGE THE ACTUAL LIVING AREA NEEDS TO BE ONE FOOT ABOVE THE FEMA FLOODPLAIN SO THAT'S ONE THING I HEARD. AS FAR AS WASTEWATER, YOU KNOW, WE DEAL WITH THAT FAIRLY REGULARLY AS WELL SO MAINTENANCE SHOULD NOT BE VERY DIFFICULT WHETHER IT'SGRAVITY WHERE YOU DO A LITTLE PUMP STATION .

MY NEIGHBOR, FORMER MAYOR, I LIVE NEXT TO HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE SETBACK BECAUSE MY HOME HAS VERY SIMILAR SETBACKS AND IT WAS A LINEAR TYPE PARCEL SO IT MADE IT DIFFICULT TO BUILD. SO ANYONE, WE DID THE MINIMUM ON THAT SIDE WHICH ALSOINCLUDED OUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT . YOU KNOW, THEY CAME AND POKED A LITTLE BIT AND SAID COME ON MIKE YOU ARE MY NEIGHBOR DON'T PUT YOUR EXISTING NEXT TO US. JUST WITH THE STATE OF EQUIPMENT NOWADAYS I NEVER HEARD A PEOPLE FROM THEM YOU CAN LITERALLY BE WITHIN A FIVE FOOT OF THAT AND THERE'S NO NOISE AND SO FORTH. I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT, AS WELL. ON THE DRAINAGE, AGAIN, THAT SETBACK WE ENDED UP HAVING TO DO A SWELL SO I DID THE SAME THING AS WE DISCUSSED TODAY BECAUSE MENTIONED ABOUT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS OFFERED TO TAKE CARE OF THE SWELL AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THOSE OF THE COUPLE COMMENTS I HAVE SEEN IN THE PRESENTATION THEOTHER THING , TOO, I APPRECIATED MR. SEAL DID WAS THE CONTEXT, WELL, NOT THIS ONE.

WHEN HE DID WHERE IT SHOWED THE FINISHED FLOOR IS AT WHERE THE DUNE IS AT THE HEIGHT SO REALLY TALKING ABOUT THAT DISTANCE ABOVE THAT WHICH IN MY MIND AND I KNOW TAKING THE ELEVATOR OUT OF THE SITUATION SO IT DOES NOT COME INTO PLAY YOU REALLY HAVE NINE TO 35 FEET SO THAT CITIZENS WE ARE LOOKING AT. THIS WEEK AND I WAS OUT RIDING AROUND WITH MY DAUGHTER AND MY WIFE WHICH IS NEED TO DO HERE IN THEFORT PIERCE , IT'S ILLEGAL, IT'S A LEGAL.

ANYHOW, WE DROVE FIVE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING A PROJECT RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD SO SONY JUST TO THE NORTH CHANGES SO WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THAT WITH THAT HEIGHT OF THAT STRUCTURE IS A LITTLE HIGHER, TOO. SO, KEEP THAT IN MIND EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ON THIS ROAD IS ONLY JUST TO THE NORTH NOT THAT FAR YOU CAN BE A LOT HIGHER AND SO FORTH.

THERE IS A HOME THAT JUST RECENTLY GOT COMPLETED SO AS THE DUNE CROSSOVER THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT WAS SOMETHING I AM SURE IT GOES INTO CARE OF AND ALSO THE HEIGHT THEY DID HAVE A DECK ON THAT HOUSE, AS WELL. SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DONE HERE IN THOSE BETWEEN THESE PROJECTS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD? ANYONE ELSE, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> RAISE YOUR HAND DO SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> YES. I I AM (NAME?) AT 2012 (NAME?) DRIVE.

I APPRECIATE YOU COMING, THAT'S GREAT. WE HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF SURFSIDE FOR 15 YEARS STRONG SUPPORT TO THE BABY NOT ONLY LOVED IT BUT RECRUITED SEVERAL OTHER FAMILIES TO COME OUT WITH US. AND FOR BETTER OR WORSE OUR IN-LAWS, AS WELL. I THINK THAT THE CONCERN MANY OF US HAVE IS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE. EVER LOOKING AT YOU ALL TO USE YOUR PRUDENCE AND YOUR DISCRETION WHEN APPROVING CONDITIONAL USES AND SO IN THIS CASE THAT PRUDENCE AND CONDITIONAL USE IS NOT JUST HEIGHT BUT IT'S THE HEIGHT OF THIS VERY IMPOSING STRUCTURE.

FROM THE BEACH WE WILL BE LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY A 200 FOOT BY 10 FOOT HIGH WALL IN ADDITION TO THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO NOT ONLY REJECT THIS CONDITIONAL USE BUT I WILL ALSO ENCOURAGE THE OLSONS AS WELL AS THE BOARD TO CONSIDER HEIGHT THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE EXISTING REGULATION AND ALSO PERHAPS REDUCE THE OVERALL SIZE OF THAT POOL BOX WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS GOING TO ADD A WHOLE OTHER STRUCTURE ON THE BACK OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THAT'S 200 FOOT WIDE BY 10 FEET TALL BY THE DEPTH OF THE POOL. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE?

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>> I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN. MY NAME IS STAN 11 205 COCONUT DRIVE.

WHILE IT IS R2 ZONING THERE ARE SEVEN INDIVIDUAL LOT BEDROOM BATHROOMS THERE.TO ME, IF IT'S A PRIVATE RESIDENCE THAT'S WONDERFUL. THE LAYOUT OF THIS PROPERTY LEADS ME TO BELIEVE ITS INTENDED USE WOULD BE AS A RESORT, RETREAT, OR A MINI CONFERENCE CENTER. MY EVENT CENTER IS A THOUSAND SQUARE-FOOT AND THIS IS 10 TIMES THAT AMOUNT. I THINK THAT IF THIS IS APPROVED AS THE VOTE WAS 3-3 WITH THE COUNTY BOARD THE 30S TO BE RESTRICTED ON THIS PROPERTY.

HARD-CORE RESTRICTIONS. THEY SAY IT WILL BE A PRIVATE RESIDENCE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S IN THE DEED. IF THIS IS APPROVED IT NEEDS TO BE IN THE DEED IT SAYS THAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE INCORPORATED THAT THE DEED FOR THIS PROPERTY DEFINITELY STATES IT CANNOT BE USED FOR ANY BUSINESS PURPOSES NEITHER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE.

NOT FOR ANY TYPE OF BUSINESS ENTERTAINMENT. THERE NEEDS TO BE SEVERE FINES IF THIS COVENANT IS VIOLATED. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE ADDRESSING THE CITY? DISCOMFORT.

PLEASE, FORWARD.

>> MY NAME IS CHUCK -- I WANTED TO BRING UP THE KEY POINT WHICH IS THE CONDITIONAL USE AND AS IT SAYS BASICALLY IT IS THE EFFECT ON THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS GOT TO BE CONSIDERED NOT JUST THAT IN THE PAST THEY'VE GRANTED CONDITIONAL USES FOR TALL BUILDINGS IN WHICH IS GOOD BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE HAS DONE IT. AND PASS A LAW THAT CHANGES IT, DON'T JUST GRANTING IT. WHAT THAT BRINGS ME TO IS THE BEACH, THE PRIVATE BEACH.

THERE ARE 240 OUNCES GIVE OR TAKE IN SURFSIDE AND ALL OF US HAVE AS PART OF OWNING THAT DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BEACH IF WE PAID OUR DUES, IF THEY PAID THEIR DUES YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THE BEACH AND MANY OF US GO OVER THERE, GO OVERFISHING, A LOT OF PEOPLE GO OVER IN THE EVENING WE HAVE BUILT BENCHES AS A COMMUNITY RIGHT THERE IN THE SPONGES ARE NOT GOING TO BE SET RIGHT NEXT TO A 35 FOOT TALL BUILDING WITH AN ELEVATOR SHAFT THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF TWO LOTS. IT'S NOT JUST THAT IT'S ONE SECTION THAT'S OVER THE HEIGHT IT'S THE FACT THAT IT'S THE WIDTH, THE SIZE AND AS JOSH SAID THE WALL THAT YOU WILL FACE WHEN YOU WALK OVER THE BEACH YOU WILL TURN AND SEE A WALL.

IT'S NOT LIKE CONDOS OFF IN THE DISTANCE IT'S BASICALLY 15-20 FROM OUR WALKWAY TO THE BEACH.

RIGHT? THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.

>> ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE?

>> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS DENISE JENKINS 1119 16 CYPRUS I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND THE IDEA OF THE HOMESTEAD. PRESENTLY, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT ALLOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS. NOW, IF YOU DECIDE TO RENT YOUR PROPERTY I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE THAT YOU ARE IN VIOLATIO .

I STARTED ON THE PARAGRAPH ON THE SECOND PAGE INSTEAD OF THE FIRST SO I WILL START AGAIN, THANKS. PEOPLE ARE ENTITLED TO BUILD WHAT THEY PLEASE ON THE PROPERTY, I RESPECT THAT. THERE ARE RULES IN PLACE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE CAN'T BUILD GAS STATIONS IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. IN THIS CASE, OUR PROPERTIES ARE ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCES AND NOT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR INTENTION IS TO HOMESTEAD YOUR PROPERTY I RESPECT THAT, AS WELL.REGARDLESS OF THE APPEARANCE OF THE SEVEN SUITES INSIDE YOUR HOME I UNDERSTAND, AGAIN, THAT YOUR PLAN IS TO HOMESTEAD YOUR PROPERTY.YOU ARE A PROXIMALLY 38 YEARS OLD

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>> MA'AM, MAN, ADDRESS US.

>> OKAY, SEVEN PARKING SPACES AND SEVEN SUITES. OKAY SO, I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE YOU WILL BE IN VIOLATION IF YOU RENT IT OUT. SO I ASKED THE COMMISSIONERS WHAT IS THE PENALTY FOR VIOLATION AND WHAT IS OUR RELIEF AS NEIGHBORING HOMEOWNERS? THE OWNER, WHAT ASSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT HOMESTEAD IS MAINTAINED FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS? YOU ARE A FINANCIAL ENTREPRENEUR AND YOU MAY BE THINKING TO YOURSELF IF THERE'S NO STRONG PENALTIES AND MIGHT BE WORTH YOUR WHILE TO GO AHEAD AND RENT THEM OUT AND JUST PAY OFF THE LITTLE BITS AND PIECES IT MAY COST YOU TO TURN IT INTO IT SEEMS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS TO ME QUITE FRANKLY TYPE VII LOT SUITES AND CALL THAT RESIDENCE. I DON'T KNOW HOW HOMEY YOU WOULD FEEL YOU ARE IN THIS NEIGHBOR WHICH HAS ONLY BEEN HERE THE FIRST TIME WE ALREADY HAVE THIS.

WE BOUGHT THIS SIGHT UNSEEN AND THIS IS WHERE YOU WANT FOR YOUR WHOLE FAMILY ND LOOK FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE?

>> DO YOU SWEAR TO AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> YES. MIKE, MAYBE SOME CLARIFICATIONS FOR BEING THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL WITH THE WALL THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT AND SEEN IT FROM THE BEACH I DON'T SEE HOW YOU WANT TO SEE THE WALL THROUGH A DUNE BUT BESIDES THAT THE DEP REQUIREMENTS WITH THE BREAKAWAY CONSTRUCTION AND THE LOWEST HORIZONTAL STRUCTURAL MEMBER AND THE SCAFFOLDING DESIGNS WE HAVE TO DO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS MASSIVE 35 FOOT HIGH WALL.

YES, THERE WILL BE SOME WALL WHEN YOU'RE WALKING PAST IT TO GO TO THE GYM ACROSS THE BEACH BUT IT'S NOT AS MASSIVE AS PEOPLE THINK IT IS BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION WE HAVE TO DO FOR EAST OF THE CONTROL OF THE CONSTRUCTION LINE.

JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION AND ALSO PEOPLE TALK ABOUT PRIVATE ROOMS I WISH I COULD HAVE IT.

GARAGE SPACE, I HAVE FIVE AND I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, I HAVE A MOTOR COURT, NOT BIG ENOUGH.

JUST SAYING.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? LAST CHANCE. HERE WE GO, THIS MARJORIE.

>> WERE YOU SWINGING?

>> NO, I WAS NOT. NEXT YOU SWEAR TO AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?

>> YES.

>> ADDRESS US.

>> SAY YOUR NAME.

>> MARJORIE HOWELL. I WISH I COULD BE YOUR CHILD AND LIVE IN THAT HOUSE.

DO YOUR THING BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE FANTASTIC.

>> THANK YOU MS. HOWELL. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY SO NOW THE APPLICANT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR RESPOND TO ANYTHING THAT ANYONE, IF THE APPLICANT COULD BACK, COME BAC , PLEASE.

STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> MIKE SEAL.

>> AND YOU WERE SWORN IN.

>> YES. HOW DO I GET OUT OF THIS? ALL RIGHT, I WANTED TO RESPOND TO THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE BEACH. AS I NOTED IN MY FIRST PRESENTATION THE JUNE DUNE, THE SAND OF THE DUNE IS 12 FEET ABOVE THE ROAD AND AS WE KNOW THE JUNE IS THE HIGHEST POINT YOU SEE FROM THE BEACH. AND IN ORDER FOR US TO ACHIEVE OUR DESIGN OBJECTIVES WE PLACED THE MAIN LIVING FLOOR, WHICH IS WHERE THE PATIO IS AND THE POOL

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YOU WILL STILL SEE ALL THE VEGETATION THAT YOU WOULD SEE IF THE BUILDING WAS NOT THERE.

YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE SOME PEAKS OF THE POOL WHERE IT'S GETTING THROUGH THE GRASSES BUT IT'S NOT A 10 FOOT MASSIVE WALL JUST SITTING RIGHT ON TOP OF THE DUNE.

IF YOU WILL, IT'S KIND OF EMBEDDED INTO THE DUNE. THE OTHER ONE WAS IF YOU COME UP ON THE ACCESS TO THE NORTH, THE PUBLIC BEACH THERE, WELL, NOT PUBLIC BUT THE COMMUNITY BEACH, I AM SORRY. WE DESIGNED THE BUILDING PURPOSELY SO THAT THE MAIN MASS OF THE BUILDING IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE. I WILL GO TO THE MAIN LIVING FLOOR. THE SOUTH SIDE IS WHERE YOU HAVE THE BIG WALL, IF YOU WILL.

THAT ABUTS THE PARKING LOT AND NOTHING OVER THERE WHERE YOU WOULD GO THROUGH AND GET TO THE BEACH AND THAT THEY HAVE TO TOWERS FROM THERE. SO THERE IS NOTHING OVER THERE.

ON THE NORTH SIDE THERE IS FROM HERE TO HERE IS WHERE THE BUILDING LIVES AND THIS SECTION IS THE PATIO DECK. SO, IT'S NOT AS OBTRUSIVE AS IT MIGHT SEEM WITH IT BEING A BIG STRUCTURE. THAT IS THIS ELEVATION HERE. WE DESIGNED THIS SIDE TO KIND OF SETBACK SO THAT IT ISN'T THIS GIANT 30 FOOT WALL OF AGAINST THE BEACH ACCESS WHERE THE COMMUNITY GETS TO THE BEACH. THERE IS JUST THIS SECTION HERE WHICH IS WHERE THE BEDROOMS ARE AND THERE IS THIS WALL THAT SUPPORTS THE DECK WHICH, AGAIN, THERE IS ALL KINDS OF EDUCATION VEGETATION YOU WILL NOT SEE ALL THIS AS THIS GIANT WALL.

REGARDING THE COMMENTS OF HOW MANY LOT SUITES WE HAVE, I DON'T HAVE SUITES, WHICH IS A BEDROOM WITH AN ATTACHED BATHROOM AND ALL OF MY KIDS ROOMS. BUT THEY ALL HAVE A LOT OF DOORS ON THEM WHETHER YOU CALL THEM A SWEEP FOR A BEDROOM WITH A BATHROOM ON IT AND EN SUITE THEY ARE ALL LOCKED AND YOU CAN USE THEM FOR WHATEVER YOU WANT.

THESE ARE KIDS BEDROOMS, FIRST, THEY HAVE A LOCK ON THEM. YOU KNOW, JUST TO SAY THE NUMBER OF FAMILY MEMBERS YOU HAVE DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE A BEARING ON HOW MANY ROOMS YOU HAVE IN YOUR HOUSE. WHETHER THAT'S ATTENDED BEDROOMS, FOUR FAMILY MEMBERS, IT'S A MOOT POINT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, TOO, WHERE THIS IS I KNOW WE HAVE SEEN IT. A LOT OF COMMENTS ARE ABOUT HAVING TO LOOK AT THIS HOUSE. IT'S AT THE END OF THE STREET. YOU KNOW, IT'S TUCKED AWAY, AWAY FROM MOST OF THE COMMUNITY SO IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYONE IS DROPPING BY THIS EVERY DAY IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS WHICH IS WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S LIKE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS. SO, I WOULD SAY WE KEEP THAT IN MIND, AS WELL.

UNLESS THERE'S ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.

>> QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOW, WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND WE WILL RETURN IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

I WANT TO START WITH EXPLAINING WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THERE

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AND I THINK THAT THERE ARE UNDER A MISUNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS PROHIBITED US, IS A COMMISSION, FOR PREVENTING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS A PREEMPTION THAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS DONE.

IF I HAD MY WAY SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD NOT BE IN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE BUT THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS PASSED A LAW THAT SAYS I CAN'T HAVE MY WAY. AND SO, THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY THAT CONDITION HAD TO BE REMOVED AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY EVEN IF THIS OWNER IS GOING TO USE THIS FOR HIS FAMILY IF IT CHANGED OWNERSHIP IF THE LAW STAYS THE SAME AS IT IS NOW WE CANNOT CONTROL THAT. SO, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT CANNOT BE PART OF THE CONDITIONAL USE CONSIDERATION. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> COUPLE OF COMMENTS. THE ARGUMENT THAT BECAUSE THE CONDITIONAL USE HAS BEEN GRANTED ON LOT X SO IT SHOULD NOW BE GRANTED ON A LOT WHY DOES NOT CARRY ANY SUBSTANCE WITH ME. CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL ARE SPECIFICALLY IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCES TO BE A CONSIDERATION ON AN APPLICATION BY APPLICATION BASIS NOT AS A GROUP APPROVAL TO ISSUE CARTE BLANCHE CONDITIONAL APPROVALS ACROSS THE BOARD IF THAT WAS THE CASE. CONDITIONAL APPROVALS THEY WOULD BE ELIMINATED THERE WOULD BE NO PURPOSE FOR THEM AT ALL. HE ARGUMENT WITH ME DOES NOT CARRY ANY SUBSTANCE AND IT NEEDS TO BE CALCULATED BASED ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND THIS CASE IS A VERY UNIQUE CASE AND I'M GOING TO GET FURTHER INTO THAT AS THIS DISCUSSION MOVES FORWARD.

I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT BEFORE THE CITY RUMOR MILL STARTS GETTING COOKED UP HERE IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN NO HILTON HOTEL APPROVED ON THE ISLAND. JUST SO YOU DON'T.

IT HASN'T EVEN MADE AN APPLICATION OF THE CITY. THERE HAS BEEN COMMISSIONER JOHNSON HELD AN ENLIGHTENING TOWN HALL MEETING WITH THAT NOTION WAS DISCUSSED BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN MADE ITS WAY TO THE CITY FOR ANY TYPE OF REVIEW AT THIS TIME I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO STRESS. YOU ARE NOT CHECKING IN ANYTIME SOON.

BE AWARE OF THAT. THAT WAS TWO POINTS I WANTED TO GET THE DISCUSSION THE OTHER MEMBERS HAVE BEFORE I HAVE OTHER COMMENTARY RELATIVE TO MY SENTENCE OF THIS PROJECT.

>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON.

>> MCNAMARA, THANK YOU FOR STARTING WITH THAT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS AND WOULD INVITE THE BACK BECAUSE WERE DOING A WORKSHOP OURSELVES ABOUT QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING AND ANY PEOPLE THAT LISTENING TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL .

WE ARE ACTING AS A LAW BODY LOOKING AT EVIDENCE THAT EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN TO FROM US WHEN THE PEOPLE AND THE WITNESSES HAVE COME TO GIVE A SWORN TESTIMONY SO ANYTHING BEFORE A JUDGE WE ARE SITTING AS JUDGES NOW LOOKING AT EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE TO EITHER GRANT OR DENY. I THINK THE SUPPORT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS IS THAT MUCH LIKE THE STATE LEGISLATURE AS A PREEMPTIVE OUR HANDS WHEN IT COMES TO VACATION RENTALS MUCH THE SAME WHEN IT COMES TO QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING AND WITH THE SAME WE USE CALL COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION WHICH BASICALLY MEANS WE HAVE TO HAVE BYSTANDERS SOME TYPE OF LAW, REASON WITH AN ORDINANCE TO DENY SUCH A PERMIT.

SO I NEED THE AUDIENCE TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND IT'S HARD TO HEAR I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE ASKED US TO DO THE FOUR OF US TONIGHT WILL BE FIVE IF FROM FIVE WAS HERE COMMISSIONER GAINES WAS HERE. EVERYTHING IS WE SUBMITTED THE WRITING AND THE PLANS ETC.

WHICH IS THE REASON WE DON'T GO AND ASK THE QUESTIONS TO TRY TO FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS.

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SIMPLY FOLLOWING THE LAW IS THE LETTER OF THE LAW AND HAPPEN THAT MIGHT BE TONIGHT.

AT SOME POINT IT'S GONNA COME UP TO A VOTE AND THAT VOTE WILL BE REFLECTIVE AS TO HOW WE JUDGE THIS AS JUDGES AND THE EVIDENCE AND THE LAW THAT IS BEFORE US AND WE CAN AND CANNOT DO. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY ON THAT.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I APPRECIATE THAT COMMISSIONER AND MANY OF THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH FOLKS IN THE ROOM AND AROUND THE CITY IT WAS EXACTLY THAT. IT WAS COMMENTARY OR DIALOGUE OF SOME SORT RELATING TO THE PROPERTY USE AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND WITHOUT THE EVIDENCE TO SAY IS GOING TO BE USED AS SOMETHING ELSE AND WE HEARD SWORN TESTIMONY BY THE WAY THAT IT WOULD BE USED FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE AND IN ADDITION TO THAT THE ZONING CODES AND ZONING REGULATIONS AND IT TALKS ABOUT WE HAVE HAD MANY APPLICATIONS I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW WHERE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE VIEW AND WHAT IF YOU ARE USED TO AND WE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO WHEN I BOUGHT A PROPERTY. I AM JUST WANT TO USE MYSELF AS A CASE IN POINT WHEN I BOUGHT MY GRANDFATHER'S HOUSE ON ITSELF EACH IN 2001 THE LOT ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME I USED AS MY OWN FISHING SPOT AS A YOUNG MAN. AND SO, IT WAS VACANT UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR LATER OF COURSE I BUY THE HOUSE IN THIS HOUSE BEING BUILT NEXT DOOR AND ACROSS THE STREET ON A LOT I'M USED TO USING ALL THE TIME. I AM DIGRESSING FROM THE OVERALL SCOPE OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE BUT THOSE WERE THE CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH MY FELLOW RESIDENTS WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ABOUT THE USE OF ANOTHER PROPERTY AND OR JUST THE VIEW OF THAT I AM ACCUSTOMED TO NOT THAT I'M A LEGALLY BOUND TO OR ALLOWED TO REPORT ENTITLED. SO, JUST OVERALL, IT HAS A FEELING WITH THEM JUST PUT A HUMAN ELEMENT ON IT THERE'S A FEELING AND IT HURTS A LITTLE BIT.

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE USED TO. I HEARD TESTIMONY TONIGHT ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, WELL, IT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE USED TO THE DESIGN IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE USED TO. WE ARE USED TO CABLES AND HIP ROOFS AND NOW WE HAVE A FLAT ROOF WITH PERFECT WALLS AND WATER FEATURES.

SO THOSE THINGS WE ARE TO ABSORB AND TAKEN AND AS COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON WAS TALKING ABOUT IS THAT EVIDENCE THAT IS PRESENTED OF HOW WE GO ABOUT LOOKING AT IT.

DOES IT MEET THE CODE OF THE R2 ZONING? DOES IT MEET THE SOUTH BEACH OVERLAY ZONE? OUR CITY STAFF PROFESSIONAL SITTING IN THE ROOM IN THE PLAY PERSPECTIVE IT SAYS RIGHT ON THE BOARD ON THE SCREEN STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS IS FOR APPROVAL BECAUSE IT MEETS THE DESIGN CRITERIA . PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS IN ADDITION TO THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER IS THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND THAT GOES THROUGH FIRE DEPARTMENT, ST. LUCIE COUNTY, CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY ENGINEERING, FPU A FOR UTILITY SERVICES AND THAT'S WHY ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WAS BROUGHT TONIGHT. SO A LOT OF THE OTHER DIALOGUE THAT COMES OUT OF THAT STORMWATER SO AS YOU HEARD ME SAY TO THE APPLICANT OR ACTUALLY TO THE LANDOWNER THAT CAME FORWARD TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF OUR CITY AND THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PLAYS A VITAL ROLE IN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BECAUSE WE EXPECT THE RAINS WE HAVE HAD RECENTLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOT IS IF I GO TO THE SIDE I WOULD SAY I WENT TO THE SIDE AFTER SUCH AND SUCH A RIGHT TO SEE IT BUT IN THE LAST 36-48 HOURS WITHOUT A LETTER.

SO OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN HANDLING THAT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CONVEYS THE STORMWATER THAT TREATS THE STORMWATER BEFORE HE GETS RELEASED.

IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT PART OF THE BUSINESS BETTER THEY ARE ALWAYS

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BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SINGLE-FAMILY CONSTRUCTION IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES TO COMMERCIAL CONSTRUCTION WE CAN RELY ON OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS THOSE THAT ARE INVESTING IN THE COMMUNITY PUTTING A BUSINESS AND WHATNOT TO IMPROVE SOME OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY NEEDED FORCONNECTIVITY, THEY NEED FOR TRAFFIC , THE NEED FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF DEVELOPMENT. IN SINGLE-FAMILY IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE ALL OF US WOULD HAVE WE PAID RIGHT NOW FOR TAXPAYERS WE ALL PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE PAY FOR OUR ROADS AND OUR STREETS AND I CAN PROMISE YOU WHEN WE GO TO BUDGET TIME THIS COMMISSION WORKS VERY HARD AT PUTTING TOGETHER THE FEW NICKELS AND DIMES AND QUARTERS WE CAN TO CREATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS.

MR. MEN'S HAS DONE A GREAT JOB LISTENING TO THE DEMANDS I WILL SAY DEMANDS, THE REQUESTS OF THE CITY TO ENHANCE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS. THAT MEANS IMPROVING THE ROADS AND OUR STREETS AND THEN WE HAVE A SURTAX HELPING US WITH THAT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING IMPROVED LITTLE BY LITTLE BECAUSE I CAN TAKE THE CITY AT ONE POINT WE HAD NO CAPITAL BUDGET WE HAD NOTHING TO REPAIR INFRASTRUCTURE. THE CITY GREW AT SOME POINT IT WENT FROM 13TH STREET TO 20TH STREET GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION THAT WITH 2/33 AND 37TH ALL THE WAY TO KINGS HIGHWAY AND WE ARE STILL WORKING ON THE PROCESS AND THE BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THE INFRASTRUCTURE BEHALF. AS A BIG LONG DISCUSSION A LOT OF TALKING ABOUT HOW CRITICAL IT IS FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPONENTS OF THIS LEGISLATIVE PROCESS, THIS QUASI JUDICIAL PROCESS, AND THE LIMITATIONS THAT ARE PLACED ON THE COMMISSION BECAUSE OF PROPER ZONING, HOWEVER, I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT EVERY CONDITION OR EVERY APPLICATION WITH DIFFERENT CONDITIONS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE UNDER THE BINDING RULES. AND BECAUSE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE IN THE TESTIMONY THAT IS HERE AS MUCH AS IT TO THE DISMAY OF THOSE I HAVE TALKED TO I DIDN'T HEAR COMPELLING EVIDENCE THAT WE CANNOT DENY THIS. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I AM ALWAYS STRAIGHTFORWARD WITH EVERYONE I TALKED TO. THE ELEMENTS ARE HERE.

I EVEN TALKED TO CITY STAFF ABOUT THE ELEMENTS OF THE COMMISSIONER BRODERICK TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT THE ELEMENTS OF A 28 FEET. CITY STAFF SAID TO WORK FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE IT WOULD NOT BE SITTING HERE TONIGHT WE WOULD NOT BE IN THIS ROOM TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT TALKING ABOUT A WALL OR IF IT WERE AT THE 28 FEET ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH WITH A BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION BECAUSE IT'S A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE . BUT, I AM PROUD OF OUR CITY FOR WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES AND THE ASPECTS OF HOW IT WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER.

I TALKED MANY, MANY TIMES ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES TO MULTIFAMILY AND TO, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT USES INTO HIGH-END, NOT HIGH-END, WHERE AM I GOING WITHTHIS ? THE MULTIFAMILY, DENSITY, THERE IT IS THAT'S THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR. INCREASED DENSITY AND THEN INTO THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL CORRIDORS IT HAS TO BE A ZONING PROCESS AND THAT CITY STAFF HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WE RELY ON EVERY DAY THE PROFESSIONALS TO ENHANCE THE CODES THAT ARE IN PLACE MOVING AND TRANSITIONING FROM A RESIDENTIAL INTO COMMERCIAL AND WHAT NOT. AND THEN BY THE WAY, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECTS WHICH ARE VERY CRITICAL AND VERY IMPORTANT TO THIS COMMISSION AND TO YOUR CITY STAFF.

ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS TOGETHER IT WORKS AND WE HAVE A GREAT ZONING CODE IN EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT'S WORKING ON IT TO PROVIDE VERY TECHNICAL INFORMATION. SO THE LAST PART I AM GOING TO QUIT TALKING IS IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS NOT HERE WHERE IT'S TUCKED AWAY BETWEEN A COUPLE BEACH ACCESS POINTS WHICH BY THE WAY I AM A VERY PROUD OF SURFSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR HAVING THE FORESIGHT AND THE FORETHOUGHT TO PURCHASE PROPERTY THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THENEIGHBORHOOD . SITTING ON THAT BEACH ACCESS. PROTECT YOUR INTERESTS.

I'M VERY PROUD OF YOU FOR THAT. IF IT'S NOT THIS LOCATION THEN WHERE?

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THANK YOU, MAMA.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE MORE COMMENTS. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON IT. CAN YOU, YOU HAD A PLAY OUT OF THE SURFSIDE NEIGHBORHOOD LOT LAYOUT, BASICALLY. THAT.

NOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER NORTH OF THAT, CORRECT? THAT'S JUST A SNIPPET OF THAT.

THIS IS AN R2 ZONING CLASSIFICATION TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP A COUPLE TIMES I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IT'S PROBABLY 12 LOTS 13 MAYBE 15 LOTS TO THE NORTH ADJACENT TO THE CONDOS AT THE END OF SURFSIDE. THERE ACTUALLY IS AN AREA MARKED FOR A ZONING CLASSIFICATION AND THEN ZONING CLASSIFICATION TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YOU JUST POST ON THE R FOR A IT ALLOWS 45 FOOT CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT CONDITIONAL USE IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT. YOU TALK ABOUT APPROPRIATE LOCATION, CLEARLY, THE R FOR CLASSIFICATION YOU HAVE LESS DENSITY BUT COULD GO UP 45 FEET. ONCE AGAIN, IT WOULD NOT EVEN MAKE IT TO THIS BODY FOR DISCUSSION. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH.

WHAT WERE DEALING WITH IS IN ESSENCE A 39 FOOT HEIGHT STRUCTURE AND R2 ZONING CLASSIFICATION THAT HAS IN THIS INSTANCE WITH THE FEMA FLOOD CONTROL LIMITATIONS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT WITHOUT CONDITIONAL USE OF 32 FEET. NOW, THE LANGUAGE THAT COMES INTO PLAY IN MY MIND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION READING THE CONDITIONAL USE LANGUAGE AND AGAIN I EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT THE CONDITIONAL IS CONDITIONAL USE IS JUST THERE TO A NON-BARRIER AND ADDITIONAL USE APPROVAL SHOULD BE ELIMINATED WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE ISSUES ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS . IT'S BRIEF I WILL READ IT BECAUSE IT IS BRIEF.

THE SECTION 5 CONDITIONAL USE SECTION 125-235 PURPOSE. PURPOSE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE ASSETS IS TO ALLOW, WHEN DESIRABLE, USES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE GENERALLY OR WITHOUT RESTRICTION WITHIN THAT PARTICULAR ZONING DISTRICT BUT WHICH WHEN IT COMES TO AREA, LOCATION OR AND THIS IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT FOR ME, RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S THE CRITICAL COMPONENT AT LEAST FROM MY SIDE OF THIS DISCUSSION.

IT WOULD NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PERSONAL SAFETY AND COMFORT, GOOD ORDER APPEARANCE, CONVENIENCE AND THE GENERAL WELFARE. I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN SUBSTANTIVE TESTIMONY GIVEN HERE TONIGHT THAT THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL OF AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN FEET OF BUILDING MASS, SIZING, SCALE, ETC. DRIVES US TO THE POINT TO SAY THAT THIS PARTICULAR STRUCTURE WITH THAT ADDITIONAL SEVEN FEET IS NOT N RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AT LEAST, THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT.

MY OBSERVATION IS MADE TO SUGGEST THAT AT THE 28 FEET FEMA FLOOD CONTROL ABOUT FOUR FEET WHICH IS 32 FEET RIVER VERSUS THE REQUEST FOR 39 FEET WITH AN EXTREMELY LARGE STRUCTURE THAT IF IT WAS MAINTAINED FOR 32 FEET WOULD NOT BE UP FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES,PERIOD . I BELIEVE THE DESIGN TEAM CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS IT'S BEEN 32 FEET REQUIREMENT AND ILLUMINATE THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL, REDUCE THE SIZE AND SCALING AND ONCE AGAIN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE KEY ISSUE THAT I HAVE HERE AND BY GRANTED AN ADDITIONAL SEVEN FEET OF STRUCTURE HEIGHT I BELIEVE WE ARE EXACERBATING THE PROBLEM THAT SIMPLY PUT THIS COULD BE PERMITTED VERY EASILY WITHIN EXISTING ZONING ORDINANCE WITH THE 28 FEET WITH A 32 FEET OVERALL HEIGHT THAT'S MY POSITION ON IT AND THAT'S

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THAT'S WHERE I AM AT.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO DIALOGUE EARLIER THERE WAS A SCREEN THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ELEVATOR IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE GOING WITH THE ROOF FRONTAGE? WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME IS THAT 39 DOWN TO SOMETHING ELSE IS MORE AMENABLE IS WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY, IS THAT WE ARE SHOOTING FOR?

>> I DID NOT TAKE ON THAT PARTICULAR DESIGN ELEMENT UNTIL TONIGHT WHEN I SAW IT ON THE SCREEN A PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE WAS ADDITIONAL SEVERAL FEET BECAUSE OF THE DEATH ON THE UPPER LEVEL WITH THE FENCE ENCLOSURE, RAILING ENCLOSURE.

I AM STRUGGLING WITH THAT TONIGHT THAT PIECE. THAT I THOUGHT WAS AN INTERESTING CONCEPT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOW REDUCING AND I THINK THE APPLICANT INDICATED TO ME THAT THAT DISH ROOF HEIGHT IS 31 FEET SIX INCHES PLUS I AM ASSUMING FOR BUT WE HAVE TO ASK THEM SPECIFICALLY BUT I MADE A NOTATION 31 FEET SIX WAS THE FOUR FEET FOR THE FLOOD CONTROL LINE. SO IN ESSENCE, THREE FEET SIX INCHES ABOVE THE R2 APPROVED HEIGHT OF 28 FEET. I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS ON THE HEIGHT BUT YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING. THAT'S 31 FEET SIX INCHES OF FINISHED HEIGHT TO THE ROOF STRUCTURE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE CAUGHT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE THERE INDICATING THAT THE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF THE STRUCTURE RECORDED THIS ADDITIONAL SEVEN FEET WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE WHY IS THIS PARTICULAR PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE NOT INCLUSIVE INCLUSIVE OF THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT? MY THOUGHT WAS IF YOU'RE AT 31 SIX THINK YOU CAN EASILY MODIFY THE PLAN TO BRING IT UP TO 28 AND IF IT'S A 28 THIS APPLICATION IS NOT IN FRONT OF THIS BODY.

>> I ASKED YOU THAT QUESTION BECAUSE, YES, SIR, I THINK PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN I GET IT.

YOU'RE SAYING ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE SCREEN, PRESENTLY, IT'S WITHIN THE CODE.

OUTSIDE THE DISCUSSIONOF THE RAILING .

>> NO, I DON'T THINK IT IS I THINK IT'S A 31 SIX NOT 28 BUT THE DISCLOSER.

>> I THOUGHT THAT 31 SIX IS THE FLOOD.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT INCLUDES THE FOUR FEET TO GET TO THE FEMA CODE. COULD BE MISTAKEN.

>> I BELIEVE IS THE 31 FROM THE FLOOD ELEVATION.

>> SO IT'S 3 AND A HALF FEET ABOVE THE REQUIREMENT.

>> SO THERE'S A 3 AND A HALF FOOT DISCREPANCY IN ADDITION T .

>> THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT.

>> WITH SLIGHT MODIFICATION THEY COULD DROP THAT TO 28 AND THEN IT'S NO LONGER A DISCUSSION POINT. AGAIN, COMING BACK TO THIS SIZE, SCALE, MASS AND THE PART OF THE CALCULATION I'M LOOKING AT THAT'S WHY IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION TO ME TO OUTLINE THE FACT THAT CONDITIONAL USES ARE A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WAY IS DESIGNED IN THE CODE IN THAT MANNER AND IS NOT A CARTE BLANCHE TO SAY EVERY APPLICATION IS GOING TO HAVE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. IF THAT IS THE CASE WE WILL NEED TO REVISIT THAT IN TOTALITY. THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION I SEE THAT IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PARTICULAR IS VERY COMPELLING TO ME.

>> WILL YOU PUT THAT BACK ON THE SCREEN I THINK THAT'S CHAPTER 125.

>> MADAM MAYOR MY QUESTION, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US A PLAN, WHAT YOU ARE STATING IS ON THE ESSENCE OF APPEARANCE AND CODE ORDER OF THAT AREA THAT THIS CONDITIONAL USE THIS SECTION HERE IS AN AREA YOU HAVE A CONCERN BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN WITH THE PLAN, THE HEIGHT OF IT? OKAY, THAT'S ALL I NEED TO HEAR.

>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, IT COMES BACK NOT JUST TO THE MASS AND SCALE BUT THE RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT COMES RIGHT OUT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE OF LANGUAGE, RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE HEIGHT AND ETC. IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> SO THAT'S THE ENTIRE DAY. I THOUGHT I HEARD TESTIMONY THERE WERE OTHER STRUCTURES IN

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>> LET ME BREAK DOWN WHERE MY LOGIC GOES WITH THIS IS THAT I AM LOOKING AT THE SIZE OF THIS PROPOSED STRUCTURE. THERE ARE OTHER STRUCTURES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE SURPASSED THE 28 BUT REMEMBER AND GO TO THE CONDITIONAL USE ALLOWABLE HEIGHT OF 35 FEET ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE AND SCOPE AND MASSING OF THOSE PARTICULAR PROPERTIES IT'S WHOLESALE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE.

ON THE MAGNITUDE OF WHAT TO SUGGEST AT LEAST THIS ENTIRE STRUCTURE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE SETTING OF 20,000 SQUARE FEET ON ALL LEVELS SOMEWHERE IN THE MURDER ARENA.

I WOULD SUGGEST THE LARGEST OF THOSE STRUCTURES IN THE AREA THAT HAVE THE CONDITIONAL USE ARE POTENTIALLY MAYBE 5000 SQUARE FEET.

>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING MY QUESTION IS, TOO, THE PICTURES YOU HAD UP BEFORE THESE ARE TWO LOTS THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL OWNS HERE, RIGHT, AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER STRUCTURES IN THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD ARE BASICALLY QUARTER LOTS MAYBE WHATEVER SIZE, RIGHT? IN MY MIND WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS LOOKING AT TWO DIFFERENT LOTS THAT AMASSED OVER ONE ACRE. AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT MAY BE EITHER 1/4 ACRE OR HALF-ACRE.

>> I'M SAYING THAT THE LANGUAGE IS VERY SUBJECTIVE.

>> IS VERY SUBJECTIVE, QUASI JUDICIAL LANGUAGE HEARING IS WHEN THE MOTION COMES IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AND YOU PUT UP ONE MORE TIME AT THE COATING YOU ARE LOOKING AT ON THIS OPPORTUNITY YOU SUGGEST YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ON. > NOT NECESSARILY, I JUST THINK I HAVE MY CONCERNS RELATIV AS I DETAILED RELATIVE AND I GET IT ON TWO LOTS BUT I'M LOOKING AT IS ONE STRUCTUR , ONE MASS SIZE SCALE PROJECTS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HAVING WHERE I'M HAVING MY RESERVATIONS.

>> I UNDERSTAND I'M LOOKING AT AND ACRE LOT VERSUS I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE OTHER LOTS ARE SIZE OR WHATEVER JUST NOT WANT TO GET INTO THAT BLESSING THE SCHOOL ABILITY OF THAT IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.

>> YOU HAVE A VERY SOUND ARGUMENT TO MAKE OF THE FLIPSIDE WHAT I AM SUGGESTING IS JUST WHERE I'M COMING DOWN ON IT THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. CLEARLY, THE DEBATE THAT WE CAN HAVE ON THIS COULD GO FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD BECAUSE YOUR OBSERVATIONS ARE AS CORRECT AS MINE AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT SO SUBJECTIVE. THERE IS NO SPECIFIC GUIDELINE TO SAY YES, NO, OR THIS IS A SMALL GRAY AREA IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS A MASS OF A GRAY AREA IN THE MIDDLE AND THIS IS JUST MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT.

>> WELL, I WILL MAKE THIS ONE LAST COMMENT. ALL RIGHT SO, WE TRIED TO BE AS ACCURATE AS POSSIBLE AND WE TRIED TO USE DATA TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS AND WE TRIED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE GRAY, SUBJECTIVE AREAS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THE END WE ARE STILL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMITTEE, RIGHT?AND SO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WE TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS BASED ON WHAT CAN BE SUBSTANTIATED AND BE THE UPHILL AND CHALLENGED IN A COURT OF LAW BECAUSE WE ARE LITERALLY IN MAKING DECISIONS HERE THAT CAN OR CANNOT INVITE FURTHER APPEAL WHICH FURTHER PUTS US INTO A SITUATION OF UTILIZING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO DEFEND AND OR SUBSTANTIATE DECISIONS WE MAKE UP HERE THAT'S WHY THAT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE TAKE YOUR TAX DOLLARS YOU PAID TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND WE TRY TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY NOT TO SPEND THEM FOOLISHLY ON THE THINGS THAT WE CAN AVOID BECAUSE WE TRY TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS TO AVOID LITIGATION WHICH REQUIRES US TO EXTEND US.

THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT BOTH SIDES OF THIS COIN.

WHAT WE ALWAYS COME DOWN TO WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH THESE QUASIJUDICIAL AND THIS GRAY AREA PUTS US HERE ONCE AGAIN. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT EITHER WAY BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CITIZENS NO ONE IS GOING TO BE HAPPY ON ONE SIDE OF THE COIN NO ONE IS

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>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THIS IS THE TYPE OF DISCUSSION WHERE THERE ARE SO MANY VARIABLES AND SO MANY OPINIONS COME INTO THAT DECISION-MAKING PROCESS YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT MAKING ONE RECOMMENDATION, YET THE CONDITIONAL USE LANGUAGE THAT IN MY OPINION IS WATER DOWN AND MAY HAVE TO BE REVISITED SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. SO IT COMES DOWN TO EACH COMMISSIONERS INTERPRETATION AND WHAT THEIR OPINION IS IN THIS INSTANCE STATING IT CLEARLY THIS IS NOT SUPPORTED BY WITH THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS IT'S NOT SUPPORTED BY COMMENTARY BY THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS HERE THIS IS SIMPLY MY OPINION TO SUGGEST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MASS SIZE, SKILLET, ETC. AS COMPARED TO THE RELATIVE NATURE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WHAT'S DRIVING MY POSITION ON THIS. ENTER YOUR COMMENTS ON THE LEGALITIES INVOLVED IN ALL THAT UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY THIS LANGUAGE IS DRAFTED WE ARE NOT BE SUPPORTED BY ANY LEGALITIES IS ASKING US TO RENDER AN OPINION. THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS IS ASKING US TO RENDER AN OPINION NOT RELY ON SOME THEORETICAL LAW BECAUSE IT'S TELLING US, OKAY, IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS MAKE THE DECISION BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU.

THAT, TO ME, IS SOMEWHAT PROBLEMATIC BUT THAT'S THE PROCESS.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, SO IS YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS SAYING IF THEY, BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY HERE BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, THAT IF, IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THAT THEY WOULD STILL BE BUILDING THIS MASSIVE.

>> YES, JUST SEVEN FEET SHORTER.

>> THAT WOULD BE MORE ACCEPTABLE TO YOU?

>> YEAH, IT WOULD. I'M LOOKING AT MASS, SIZE AND SCALE THE ONLY THING THAT COMES UNDER OUR JURISDICTION IS THE SEVEN FEET REQUEST. SIMPLY PUT, IT'S IRRELEVANT IF THEY CAME IN AT 28 FEET PLUS THE FEMA, LET'S FORGET ABOUT THAT PORTION OF THE DISCUSSION FOR NOW. IF THAT WERE TO BE THE CASE THEN IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION POINT AND RELEASE MOST OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS THAT IS THE CODE.

THUS THE CODE REQUIREMENT. BUT IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF FLIPS OVER TO THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT.

>> THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH THE PLANNING BOARDBECAUSE YOU SAID YOU ATTENDED , THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, THAT VERY THING. IF THE APPLICANT MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND DIDN'T HAVE THE HEIGHT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT THE PLANNING BOARD --.

>> I SAT ON THE BOARD FOR A LONG TIME AND I WAITED ALL NIGHT FOR SOMEONE TO BRING UP THAT POINT IT WAS THE ONLY POINT FOR THE DISCUSSION THEY HAD FOR AN HOUR AND AND A HALF AND TWO HOURS ABOUT AN HOUR TO HAPPEN THEY FINALLY BROUGHT IT UP AND I SAID, HELLO LEAH, THEY PROBABLY BROUGHT IT UP. BUT THAT CLEARLY IS THE ONLY REASON WE ARE HERE.

YOU LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE, ETC. IF IT WAS JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS THERE WOULD BE NO INPUT EXCEPT STANDARD PERFORMANCE THAT COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON WAS DIGGING INTO TONIGHT DRAINAGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON AS WELL ON FENCING AND SETBACKS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE.

PUTTING ALL THOSE TECHNICAL ISSUES ASIDE THEY ARE NOT RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION WE AREHAVING ON THE CONDITIONAL USE .

>> THEY NEED CODE.

>> SO THIS BECOMES A COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE DISCUSSION AND THAT'S A BURDEN.

I GUESS THAT'S WHY WE ARE UP HERE. I GUESS.

>> THE APPROVAL BODY VERSUS THE RECOMMENDATION BODY.MADAM MAYOR, I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR, COMMISSIONER, I HEAR THE PROPOSAL PUT FORTH TONIGHT. OUTSIDE OF, LET ME ASK A QUESTION, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OUTSIDE GOING OUTSIDE THE 28 FEET AND HEAR YOUR DISCUSSION LOUD AND CLEAR IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE THE REASON I'M DIGGING INTO THE DETAILS I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT BEFORE I ASK A QUESTION. I WAS DIGGING INTO THE DETAILS BECAUSE I THINK OF THE 10,000 FOOT VIEW AND LOOKING DOWN UPON THE STRUCTURE LOOKING AT THE ELEMENTS OF THE ROOF, I'M LOOKING AT THE ELEMENTS OF THE IMPERVIOUS SECTION, I LOOK AT THE ELEMENTS OF THE STREET, TH CONNECTION, THE DRAINAGE , OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW THAT WATER IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME AND WATER TREATMENT IS VERY IMPORTANT SO I LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE IN ADDITION TO THE VERTICAL PERSPECTIVE AND WHEN I'M SITTING HERE AS A HUMAN BEING FROM THE STREET LOOKING UP AT THE PROJECT SO OUTSIDE OF THE SEVEN FEET DOES

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OTHERWISE, IT CAN BE AS WIDE AND DEEP AS NEEDS OR AS THEY WANTED TO BE BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE OTHER THAN THE PERCENTAGE OF THRESHOLD THAT PREVENTS THAT.

THE PERCENTAGE OF THRESHOLD SAYS THAT THIS IS THIS SIZE PROPERTY IT'S A DONE DEAL HERE'S YOUR BOX. SO I AM IN THE ALL RIGHT, WE ARE NEGOTIATING FOR THE CARD NOW. I WANT TO KNOW YOUR PERSPECTIVE REALLY NOT NEGOTIATED BUT I WANT TO KNOW IF THIS NUMBER IS JUST 28 FEET BECAUSE THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THIS IF YOU GO BACK TO THE SCREEN AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT LIMIT GET MORE PERSPECTIVE DIRECTIONALLY THAT SET 31 AND A HALF I THINK I WROTE THAT DOWNOR I SAW IT ON THE SCREEN .

>> THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THE DESIGN TEAM.

>> SO I'M THINKING ABOUT DESIGN, THINKING ABOUT USE OF BUILDING, THINK ABOUT THE LAYOUT AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS SO THAT ROOF STRUCTURE WOULD BE 3 AND A HALF FEET ABOVE 28 SO IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD PROPOSE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF IT'S TO BE APPROVED OR FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THE 28 FEET? BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT WITH ALL THOSE THINGS BUT THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE LAST ONE IS THE 28 FEET PERSPECTIVEON THE VERTICAL .

>> I AM NOT AN EXPERT ON THE MOST RECENT STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT AND EXERCISED BUT I WOULD SUGGEST A 5000, MAXIMUM 6000 SQUARE-FOOT STRUCTURES THERE'S NOTHING BIGGER THAN THAT THERE. THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE WE HAVE THE DIMENSIONS, DO WE HAVE THE DIMENSIONS OF THIS STRUCTURE?

>> RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE THE -- 7584 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S JUST ONE FLOOR.

>> FOR THREE FLOORS SO YOUR AD 22,000 SQUARE FEET. SO WITH THE WISE IT'S PROBABLY 150 FEET MAYBE MORE. 200 FEET.

>> 187.5. CLOSE.

>> IT'S ABOUT 40 FOOT DEEP. >> COMING BACK, MY BASELINE SENTENCE OF THIS IS BASED ON 187 RUNNING FEET OF BUILDING 39 FEET OF HEIGHT, 22,000 SQUARE FEET OF FLOOR AREA, IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT OUT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE LANGUAGE IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT'S JUST TOO MUCH MASS AND THE ONLY CONTROL THAT THIS BODY HAS OVER THAT IS THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST FOR THE ADDITIONAL SEVEN FEET.

I AM SUGGESTING SHOULD BE DIALED BACK TO THE 28 FEET, FORGET ABOUT THE FEMA CONTROL POINTS THAT'S OUT OF THE DISCUSSION FOR NOW, SO THE STRUCTURE AT 187 AND AND A HALF FEET IS STILL RELEVANT IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD APPROPRIATE? PROBABLY IN MY OPINION NOT BUT THAT'S NOT A DISCUSSION POINT BECAUSE NOW THEY MET THE CODE REQUIREMENT TO GO AND GET THE BUILDING PERMIT.SO IT'S NOT EVEN A DISCUSSION POINT AT THAT JUNCTURE THEY SIMPLY WALK INTO BOTH OR ALL THE PROCESSES AND SECURE THE BUILDING PERMIT AND START BUILDING. THE ONLY CONTROL WE HAVE IS OVER THE SEVEN FEET.

SOME SUGGESTED 187 FEET, 40 FEET OF DEPTH I'M TRYING TO EXERCISE THAT CONTROL TO SUGGEST THAT THE SIZE, SCOPE AND MASSING OF THIS RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY CONTROL POINT I CAN'T SEE THAT, I CAN'T WRAP MY HEAD AROUND THAT TO SAY THAT THIS IS RELATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S IT. THE OTHER STRUCTURES I AM AWARE THE OTHERSTRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED OTHER LEADER WORKED WITH THE PLANNING BOARD OR SUSPECT . AT THE CITY COMMISSION AND WOULD SUGGEST MAXIMUM SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THOSE IS POTENTIALLY 6000 I BELIEVE IS THE 8000 SQUARE FEET I THINK THE DESIGN TEAM WAS THE GUYS THAT DESIGNED THOSE IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT FROM THE TESTIMONY OF THE PLANNING BOARD. THEY ALWAYS HAVE ALL THE STICKERS AND I WILL GRANT THE FACT OF THE 30,000 SQUARE FEET. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE. COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, I GET THE INFORMATION IS SO SUBJECTIVE IF WE SIMPLY HAD A DEBATE STAGE FOR ACADEMICS I

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IN OTHER APPLICATIONS, COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, YOU ARE ON THE PLANNING BOARD AND ON THE COMMISSION A LONG TIME YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO SOMETIMES THE CONDITIONAL USE IS OBVIOUS WE NEED TO APPLY THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE I HAVE ON THIS MATTER I HAVE CONCERNS RELATIVE TO THOSE ASPECTS.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I APPRECIATE THAT, SIR. WHAT COMES TO MY MIND AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE JUST MONEY I HEARD TONIGHT UNFORTUNATELY WE DO NOT HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF THE OTHER PROJECT SITES BUT WE DID HEAR SOME TESTIMONY, I TAKE THAT BACK, BECAUSE THEY WERE SHOWN ON THE APPLICANTS PRESENTATION.

JUST NOT THE SIZE OF THE PROJECTS. SO WHAT COMES INTO MIND AND TO PLAY FOR ME AND THE REASON I WAS ASKING THE QUESTION BEFORE AS WE DIAL BACK AND FORTH IS IF YOU GO BACK TO THE ELEVATION VIEW OF THE SCREEN FOR ME, PLEASE.

YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THIS ELEVATOR SHAFT, THE EAST SIDE OF THE ELEVATOR SHAFT, ROUGHLY 31 AND A HALF FEET BASED ON WHAT WE SAW BEFORE SO WE ALSO SHOW, WERE SHOWN BY SIMPLE MATH THE DIFFERENCES, THE APPLICANT IN DEPICT SPECIFICALLY THE CEILING TYPES WITHIN THEIR STRUCTURE. SO DEPICTED ON THE MAP HERE IS A 12 FOOT EIGHT INCHES PER FLOOR LIVING SPACE FLOOR. SO FLOOR NUMBER TWO, FLORIDA FOR THREE 12 EIGHT OF TOTAL SPACE NOW THAT'S GOING TO INCORPORATE SOME STRUCTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE CONCRETE DECKING OR WHATNOT I DON'T KNOW HOW BIG THE DECK WILL BE OR WHAT KIND OF SLAB OR PRECAST STRUCTURE COULD BE STEEL FOR ALL WE KNOW I DON'T THINK SO BUT NEVER KNOW.

WHERE I WAS GOING WITH MY QUESTION IS IF THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE I THINK YOU ANSWERED THE 28 FEET IS THE MAGIC NUMBER BECAUSE 28 FEET IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IF WE HAVE 31 AND A HALF ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE IS THE RITUAL OR NEGOTIATION PROCESS WE CAN GO THROUGH AND I DON'T LIKE THE WORD NEGOTIATION BUT THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.

TO GO FROM THE 35 FEET DOWN TO THE 31 SIX? ON THE RESIDENTIAL ON THE LIVING SPACE SIDE MAYBE EACH FLOOR NEEDS TO GO FROM A 12 FOOT EIGHT INCHES TO REMIND US OF WHAT HALF, TO FOOT EACH, YOU ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THE 31 AND AND A HALF DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS? AND I'M ASKING AGAIN FROM A PERSPECTIVE OFTHE STREETSIDE .

>> I AM TAKING YOU TO THE CAR TO GO WITH ME TOMORROW, BY THE WAY.

I FEEL LIKE WE ARE DESIGNING IT.

>> WE CAN ONLY DENY OR APPROVE.

>> WE CAN APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS OF A DIFFERENT CONDITION.

>> WE CAN. THAT IS TRUE.

>> SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 12 FOOT EIGHT CEILING HEIGHTS ETC. MY COMFORT ZONE IS CLEARLY TO KEEP AT THE 28 FEET. I AM EMPATHETIC TO THE CLIENT TO OUR NEW NEIGHBOR, AS WELL.

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE HIM GET THIS PROJECT DONE, HOWEVER, OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE ALSO EXPRESSED THEIR CONCERNS THINK THEIR CONCERNS ARE TIED IN DIRECTLY WITH THE LANGUAGE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS IF IT REDUCES OVERALL HEIGHT FROM 35 NOW THAT'S NET FORGET ABOUT THE FEMA ISSUE. IF IT WAS REDUCED CLOSER TO 28, SAY, 30 FEET, OKAY.

>> HERE IS MY DEAL. I REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY WHEN TALK ABOUT THE SOUTH BEACH OVERLAY I WAS ON THE BOARD WHEN I WENT THERE.O IS THE HISTORY AS PART OF OUR CODE AND PART OF THE ELEMENT TONIGHT. THOSE WERE ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS IN ADDITION TO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE CODE. THE DISCUSSION I HAVE TO DO IS IN RELATIONSHIP OF 28 FEET VERSUS 35 PRETTY GOOD PERCENT INCREASE.

IF IT'S SOMETHING SMALLER THAN THAT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT'S RELATIVE TO THE SCALE

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>> SO I'M LOOKING AT THE HUNDRED 87 FEET OF A RUNNING WALL SO I THINK IT'S RELATIVELY SUBSTANTIAL DIFFERENTIAL. IF YOU TO COME BACK AND KEPT THE SAME AT 30 FEET IS GOING TO WORK FROM A DESIGN ELEMENT I AM SURE THEY CAN MAKE IT WORK. FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I WOULD SPECULATE THEYCOULD . AND WE HAVE A NET SAVINGS OR NET REDUCTION OF FIVE FEET OF EXTERIOR WALL AREA RUNNING FEE OF 187, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I DO CONSIDER THAT TO BE SUBSTANTIVE. I DO CONSIDER THAT TO BE RELATIVE AND BUILDING HEIGHTS ETC. ONCE AGAIN, COMING BACK TO BE RELATIVE NATURE COMPARATIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANY REDUCTION IN HEIGHT IS GOING TO BE BENEFICIAL. I STILL THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE CANDIDLY SHOCKED WHEN THIS STRUCTURE GOES UP AT THE SIZE, SCOPE AND MIX MASS BUT TO GET A RESOLUTION HIM IF ATTRACTION GET TO THAT POINT AND LOOK COULD BE THE ONLY NO VOTE IS AN APPLICATION THE WAY IT SINCE WHICH I RESPECT THAT BUT IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO RESOLVE IT I WOULD ADVOCATE I COULD SEE MY WAY TO DO THAT.

>> THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT DIALOGUE I AM PROVIDING KNOWING MY POSITION I STATED IT KNOWING YOUR POSITION I STATED IT OR YOU STATED IT JUST TO UNDERSTAND IT AND TO COMBINE I THINK THAT'S PART OF THIS PROCESS THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT.

> AND YOUR POINTS ARE RELATIVE, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON'S WINDS ARE COMPLETELY ON TARGET HERE. THAT'S THE ISSUE. I'M A WEIRDO WAITING FOR A MAYOR HUDSON.

>> I AM WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION. WE HAVE SPENT --.

>> I'M GETTING A SORE THROAT FROM SPEAKING SO MUCH.

>> ONCE AGAIN, CONDITIONAL USE, FIX IT.

>> MADAM MAYOR CAN I ASK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS INDICATING WE CAN DO A MODIFIED APPROVAL IN THE CONDITIONAL USE AND NOT JUST GO WITH THE STATED REQUEST EITHER AN UP OR DOWN VOTE IS WHAT COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON IS SUGGESTING IS THAT DOABLE?

>> SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE BASED ON WHAT THE APPLICATION IS BEFORE YOU.

THE CONDITION WOULD BE SOMETHING ADDITIONAL SO WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON'S PROPOSITION TO BE YOU WOULD SAY I APPROVE AFTER 32 FEET OR 31 FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE CONDITION I THINK THAT'S A NEGOTIATION. SO I THINK THAT THE VOTE SHOULD BE APPROVE OR DENY BASED ON WHAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED.

>> OVOID, DOESN'T THAT MAKE IT EVEN MUDDIER.

>> I KNEW SHE WAS GOING TO SAY THAT.

>> MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE IS A MOTION TO DENY IF WE COULD HAVE A STAFF PULLBACK OF THE PURPOSE UNDER 125 TO 35 SO THERE'S TWO. PARTS OF THE SERVICE -- OR RELATION TO THE DAY. SO IT DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLICHEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT, GOOD ORDER, APPEARANCE , CONVENIENCE OR GENERAL WELFARE SO THAT SECOND PART IS RELATED TO THE ADVERSE EFFECTS IT WOULD HAVE WITH CONTROLLING AND AS TO THE NUMBER AREA AND RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO INSTEAD OF A TWO-PART MOTION IF THAT MOTION IS TO BE MADE.

>> WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE, GUYS?

>> ONLY TWO WAYS ON THIS EITHER YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR IT AND VOTE MAKEUP VOTE AGAINST AND SUBSTANTIATE WHY YOU MADE OUT MOTION AGAINST AN ENEMY TO VOTE EITHER WAY.

SO THAT'S THE PATH FORWARD. SO THAT'S IT. THERE'S NO SO THE PUBLIC IS A MOTION FOR IT THE COMMISSIONERS CAN VOTE HOW THEY WANT TO VOTE OR YOU MAKE A MOTION TO DENY AND, SUBSTANTIATE WHY, AND WHY DID IT AND WE NEED TO VOTE.

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>> WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> I AGREE WITH YOU THAT CONVERSATION HAS WORN ME OUT. COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE I WILL DO.

>> I WILL PUT A MOTION ON THE FLOOR EITHER WAY WE ARE GOING TO VOTE.

>> I WILL MAKE MY MOTIONS I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO PASS I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THE APPLICATION ANDSUBMITTED . THE BASIS FOR MY DENIAL IS THE SIZE, SCOPE, MASSING AND HEIGHT IN RELATION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SUBJECT OF APPEARANCE. THAT'S MY MOTION.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> MOTION FAILS.

>> FOR LACK OF A SECOND. IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION?

>> MADAM MAYOR AND MOVE TO THE APPROVAL OF THIS QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE HEIGHT OF 35 FEET TALL ON SURFSIDE DRIVE. AND LOCATED PARCELS.

>> IS THERE A SECOND? CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, NO, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, YES, COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON , YES, MAYOR HUDSON, YES. MOTION CARRIES.

>> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COULD YOU TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE, PLEASE.

>> OKAY ARE WE READY?

>> YES, WE ARE READY.

[a. Resolution 23-R49 appointing Justine W. Carter to the Planning Board as Commissioner Curtis Johnson Jr.'s appointee.]

>> NEXT WE HAVE A RESOLUTION 23 - R 49 A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CERTIFYING THE APPOINTMENT OF A MEMBER TO THE CITY PLANNING BOARD AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE THIS RESOLUTION APPOINTED JUSTINE CARTER AS A CURTIS JOHNSON'S REPRESENTATIVE.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO QUICKLY DO THIS BECAUSE SHE MAY BACK OUT AFTER SHE'S A WITNESS HERE TONIGHT. I JUST WANT TO SAY A LITTLE BIT I TOOK THE TIME TO TALK TO ALL THE APPLICANTS THAT CAME FORTH. SHE IS REPLACING A YOUNG MAN PLACED ON THE BOARD BY THE NAME OF MR. HAROLD ALL VERY HE HAD TO GET INTO CITY POLITICS ON HIS NAME AND DID A GREAT JOB ON THE BOARD AND IS NOW INSPIRED HIM TO GO INTO A PLANNING CAREER SO HE IS PURSUING PLANNING AND THAT TYPE SO IT'S A GREAT WIN AND VERY PROUD I WAS ABLE TO CONVINCE HIM AFTER HE DID NOT SUCCESSFULLY WHEN HIS CANDIDACY AS YOU KNOW HE WAS RUNNING AGAINST YOU, MAYOR, HE MADE IT ONTO THE PLANNING BOARD AND I FOUND A YOUNG LADY THAT IS A COUPLE YEARS NEW TO OUR COMMUNITY AND LIVES ACTUALLY OVER IN NOT TOO FAR FROM THIS AREA AND SO SHE IS A REALTOR AND IS VERY EAGER AND VERY WELL QUALIFIED TO BE HERE AND SO WITH THAT DO HAVE A QUESTION? I MOVE WE APPROVE RESOLUTION 23 - R 40 AND TWO.

MR. JUSTINE CARTER FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.

>> SECOND WITH DISCUSSION. MY ONLY COMMENT I READ THE RESUME ALSO AND SO IN MY YEARS ON THE PLANNING BOARD THE DIALOGUE WE HAD HERE TONIGHT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR

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>> YOU SECOND READY TO VOTE.

[b. Resolution 23-R52 Fort Pierce Resorts, LLC. Property Lease]

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, YES, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, YES COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON YES, MAYOR HUDSON, YES. NEXT WE HAVE 23 - R 52 FOUR PIECE FLORIDA TO LEASE SIX PURPOSES OF LAND FROM INDIAN RIVER DRIVE TO FORT PIERCE RESORTS LLC REVEALING ALL RESOLUTION AND CONFLICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> THIS IS FOR PARKING, IS THAT RIGHT?

>> MADAM MAYOR THIS IS FOR OUR CONTINUED USE OF THE PARKING IS STRICTLY TO THE WEST OF THE MANATEE CENTER ALONG INDIAN RIVER DRIVE AND WITH THE EXTENSION OF THIS LEASE WILL ALSO BE PROVIDING BOAT AND TRAILER PARKING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE AT LEAST 12 OR 13 DESIGNATED SPACES TOWARD THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

AS YOU KNOW TRAILER PARKING IS HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER IN OUR AREA IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA THESE FOLKS CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE NOW WHAT IS THAT THE MORRIS CREEK BOAT RAMP NEXT TO THE MANATEE CENTER HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP THE FOLKS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. ASK THIS IS ACTUALLY

>> THIS IS ACTUALLY AN EXTENSION AND WILL BE EXPANDING THAT BOTH PARKING ON THE AREAS WE PICKED UP RECENTLY AND SUBSEQUENTLY THE RELEASE CAME UP FOR RENEWAL IN THE CITY MANAGER CAME OUT AND NEGOTIATED A GOOD DEAL WITH THE OWNERS.

>> DO I HEAR AND ENTHUSIASTIC MOTION? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, YES,

[c. Resolution 23-R53 supporting the naming of the new A1A Bridge in recognition of the E.C. Summerlin Family.]

NEXT IS 23 - R 53 SUPPORTING THE NAMING OF A NEW A1 A BRIDGE IN RECOGNITION OF THE EC SUMMERLIN FAMILY.

>> WE SHOULD OVER THE YEARS HAVE HEARD THE CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE SUMMERLIN FAMILY AND I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER FISH FRY FOR US WE CELEBRATED THE 100 ANNIVERSARY OF THE INLET AND THEY SUPPORT MANY THINGS IN THE FAMILY THAT STARTED IN ST. LUCIE VILLAGE ST. LUCIE VILLAGE BROUGHT THIS TO US SO I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SUPPORT THIS TO SEND THIS TO THE PROPER PEOPLE SO THEY KNOW WE WOULD LIKE TO NAME OF THIS BRIDGE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS, TOO. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE HONORING THOSE THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE COMMUNITY IN SUCH A SPECIAL WAY OVER THE MANY, MANY YEARS.

IN ADDITION TO THAT WHEN YOU GET NEW INFRASTRUCTURE IT'S JUST EXCITING FOR ME I AM A BORING GUY BUT I GET EXCITED ABOUT THESE THINGS I AM A BRIDGE GUY.

IT'S OKAY IT'S EASY TO GET EXCITEDABOUT STARTING THE SHORELINES , NUMBER BUT, IT IS EXCITING. SOME OF THE BRIDGES THAT I REMEMBER THE MOST THEY WERE DEDICATED AND WERE NAMED AFTER SOMEONE SPECIAL. THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE OF THEIR OWN WHEN YOU PLAY A VITAL ROLE LIKE THE SUMMERLIN FAMILY HAS ITS AWESOME SO I MOVED FOR THE APPROVAL.

>> CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.

>> SIX,YES, 20 , YES, COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, YES, MAYOR HUDSON, YES.

>> THEY HAD TO WADE THROUGH A LOT OF STUFF TO GET TO THIS POINT.

>> NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AA TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO MOVEMENT EXCEPT OUT THE DOOR WE WILL GO ON.

[15. COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER]

>> COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

>> 12.

>> YES, MA'AM. LET'S JUMP ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE TRAIN.

COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON MENTIONED HE LOVED INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CITY STAFF SPECIFICALLY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN ADMINISTERING SEVERAL PROJECTS AND A FEW THAT ARE ABOUT TO KICK OFF. YOU WERE NOTIFIED THIS EVENING ABOUT JC PARK BOAT RAMPS WILL BE RECONSTRUCTING THE FLOATING BOAT RAMPS ARE CURRENTLY FIXED BUT THEY ARE IN POOR CONDITION WILL NOW BE FLOATING BOAT RAMPS AND AS THE WATER RISES IS TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE BOAT RAMPS AND THOSE DOCS. ALSO, AVENUE B FROM A STREET TO

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>> ONE ROAD TO QUESTION YOU ON IS A GRANADA. THE ONLY DIRT ROAD.

>> COMMISSIONER ROBERT TOLD ME NOT TO DO IT. I'M JUST KIDDING.

THAT WAS A JOKE. OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION SHALL BE AMENDED NEXT YEAR.

>> SO IT'S IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

>> NEXT CALENDAR YEAR?

>> 20.4. IT'S ALMOST 2024 RIGHT NOW.

>> THAT IT COUPLE QUESTIONS, IS THAT IT, MR. MIMMS? MS. COX?

>> I HAVE NOTHING.

>> MS. HODGES.

>> VERY BRIEFLY, YOU REFERENCES EARLIER WHERE CAN HAVE THE QUASIJUDICIAL TRAINING IS GOING TO BE ON THE 24TH. YOU ALL WILL BE STARTING AT 10 AM THERE WILL BE A SECOND SESSION THAT'S HELD IN THE AFTERNOON OR THE QUASIJUDICIAL BOARDS SO THE ATTORNEY THAT IS COMING HIS NAME IS RANDY HE IS AN ATTORNEY HE IS BASED OUT OF CLEARWATER BEACH.

HE'S A CITY ATTORNEY FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. HE IS A PRETTY PROLIFIC SPEAKER AT DIFFERENT TRAININGS TO INCLUDED WITH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES SO HE WILL BE COMING TO GO OVER QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEDURES. HE WILL TOUCH ON SOME OTHER TOPICS RELATED TO THAT BUT HE'LL BE HERE FOR THAT. HE WILL HAVE PRESENTATION AS WELL AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY ALL HAVE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION SO THIS WILL BE IN CHAMBER WE ARE RECORDING IT, CORRECT? WILL THE PUBLIC BE ABLE TO COME AND PARTICIPATE?WILL THEY BE ABLE TO ASK A QUESTION?

>> THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS BUT IT WILL BE RECORDED.

SO YOU ALL WILL BE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

>> OKAY SO, I WOULD RECOMMEND WE GET THE BOARD OUT SO THAT WE CAN IF THEY WANT TO FIELD QUESTIONS TO THE COMMISSIONERS I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME THAT IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS THEY CAN SEND THEM TO ME OR WHOEVER YOU WANT TO APPEAR SO WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM AND PROBABLY INTERJECT THEM AND ASK QUESTIONS ALSO FOR THEM TO COME AND PARTICIPATE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THIS AT ALL BUT ANYBODY THAT'S HAD A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING IF WE COULD AT LEAST LET THEM KNOW WE ARE DOING THAT TRAINING AND INVITE THEM TO TUNE IN OR COME DOWN IF THEY WANT TO WHATEVER IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, I THINK, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE RECENTLY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH US. YES.

>> COMMISSIONER, WE ARE GOING TO BE RECORDING AND DOCUMENTING.

>> I AM SAYING THIS BECAUSE I WANT THEM TO KNOW WE ARE TAKING EXTRA EFFORT TO INVITE PEOPLE.

RECORDING IS FINE I KNOW IT WILL BE THERE BUT WE HAVE GONE THE LAST 2 TO 3 MONTHS WITH THE PEOPLE IN THIS CHAMBER THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME IN HERE, LISTEN, PARTICIPATE, WHATEVER AND WE WILL STILL SEND THE LINK OUT AFTER THAT'S FINE BUT JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVE GOT A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS HERE IN QUASIJUDICIAL WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT DO I JUST WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR, SO THANK YOU.

>> I WILL GIVE THE COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT AND REALLY WORK IN A GOOD PRESS TO GET IT OUT.

>> YEAH BECAUSE WE ARE DOING THIS FOR US BUT ALSO WE WOULD LIKE FOR OUR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER BECAUSE DO YOU REALIZE THE LAST THE THINGS THAT TAKE THE LONGEST OUR CONDITIONAL USE QUASIJUDICIAL THESE KINDS OF THINGS, REALLY.

>> I HADN'T NOTICED.

>> AT ANY RATE, OKAY. THANK YOU MS. HEDGES.

[16. COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION]

>> COMMENTS FROM THE CITY COMMISSION.

>> IS THERE A VOLUNTEER TO GO FIRST.

>> I WILL START FIRST, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK IS TOPPED OUT.

I WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU. WE HAD A GREAT, HEALTHY DISCUSSION AND DEBATE AND I

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WE HAVE DISAGREEMENTS WE SEE THINGS DIFFERENTLY BUT WE CAN DO IT IN A RESPECTFUL WAY AND STATE OUR ARGUMENT SO WE CAN SEE ALL SIDES OF THE COIN AND WE TRIED OUR GRADE LEVEL BEST TO INTERPRET THE LAW AND DO THE BEST WE CAN AND SELECTED. I HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING SAW THAT TONIGHT AND UNDERSTAND IT AND UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, FORT PIERCE IS NOT ON THE MAP PEOPLE AS FAR AWAY AS CALIFORNIA MOVING TO OUR AREA AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THIS MAN HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY BUT HE IS DECIDED THIS IS WHAT HE IS BUILDING IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THAT'S A TAX BASE AND OBVIOUSLY WERE FROM HIM HE'S BRINGING HIS BUSINESS HERE TO HOPEFULLY HE LOCATES IT HERE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AS WELL.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE THINGS I JUST WANT TO MAKE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS AND YOU AWARE, MADAM MAYOR, AND JUST ASK YOUR SUPPORT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. MIMMS BECAUSE I CAN TALK TO YOU GUYS OUTSIDE OF THIS I WANT TO PUBLICLY LET YOU KNOW A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO SPEARHEAD AND COME FORTH. WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A CITIZEN IN OUR.

HE TURNED 100 YEARS OLD I WANT TO THINK PUBLIC WORKS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR GOING OUT TO MRS. LILLIAN OWENS AT 16 WAIT NORTH 14TH STREET SHE HAS BEEN ON THE STREET FOR OVER 100 YEARS. HER SON ACTUALLY WORKS FOR PUBLIC WORKS FOR US AND SO THEY HAVE ASKED ME TO LOOK INTO BEGINNING THE PROCESS OF GETTING THAT STREET NAMED AFTER SHE'S BEEN THERE FOR OVER A CENTURY.

>> I'M LETTING YOU KNOW WE ARE WORKING TO THAT PROCESS AND PUBLICLY SAY THAT AND COMMISSIONS WORK WITH STAFF TO REMEMBER TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THIS DONE WHILE SHE STILL WITH US TO CELEBRATE THAT. SHORTLY AFTER WE DID THIS MS. FEENEY SHE LEFT HER EARTHLY HOME SO I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. ALSO, IN THE SAME CONVERSATION WITH MR. MIMMS HE CAME UP WITH AN IDEA CAME UP WITH A NUMBER OF CITIZENS INCLUDING THE JACKSON'S ON AVENUE I AND ITS MINISTRY AS YOU KNOW WE HAD A NUMBER OF UNFORTUNATE INCIDENTS HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO HISTORY OF WORKING WITH MR. MIMMS BUT SPEED OVER THERE FOR AT LEAST ONE OF FOUR WAY STOP TO BREAK SOME OF THE TRAFFIC UP. I'VE ASKED HIM TO LOOK UP HOW CAN WE ORCHESTRATE THAT STREET FROM AVENUE Q WE HAVE GOT ACTIVITY GOING THERE ON CERTAIN BIRDS BUT LITERALLY THEY WERE SPEED RACING ON ONE HALF OF IT MOTORCYCLES AGAINST EACH OTHER AND CARS AND THE OTHER HALF TENDS TO BE A SPEED GATEWAY AND WE HAVE CA MORRIS SCHOOL THERE AND A COUPLE OTHER PROJECT DEVELOPMENT THERE AND THAT ROAD IS NOT COMPLETELY ALIGNED ONCE YOU CROSS IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ALIGNED WITH THAT AND THE PARK SITS RIGHT THERE.

WE DO KNOW THAT TRAFFIC CALMING TYPE SITUATION, SPEED TABLES, CAN BRING A DIFFERENT FEEL FOR STREETS AND ACTIVITY AND I'VE ASKED THAT TWO LET'S EXPLORE THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AND I'M CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE A SCHOOL THERE AND THE TYPES OF SPEEDS WE ARE GETTING OVER THERE IS UNACCEPTABLE. AND SO, I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION ALSO IN MY OPINION IS BEEN SHOWN A LOT OF STUDIES THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE COMES DOWN IN THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS WHERE YOU CAN TAKE THIS. I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO THE COMMISSION TO SAY THESE ARE THE COUPLE THINGS ARE GOING TO BE WORKING ON .

SHE YOUR SUPPORT HAS BECOME FORWARD AND HEALTHY DIALOGUE AND DEBATE.

THAT'S IT.

>> MADAM MAYOR, SO 29TH STREET.

>> I HAVE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON TALKED ABOUT INITIATING THE PROCESS FOR THE RENAMING OF THAT STREET I NEEDED CONSENSUS FROM YOU THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THE CALL FOR NOMINATIONS AND THEN WE CAN GET THAT ON THE STREET AND THEN ROUTED TO OUR

INTERNAL PROCESS. >> WITH THAT I WOULD MAKE A MOTION?

>> AS LONG AS I KNOW EVERYONE IS OKAY WITH IT THAT GIVES ME WHAT I NEED TO PROCEED.

>> FORT YESES.

>> SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.

>> 29TH STREET IS VERY UNIQUE AND A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS IN MY EARS HEAR ABOUT 29TH STREET.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE STREETS WHATEVER ENGINEERING HAS IN MIND IS GREAT BUT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A FAN OF THE ISLANDS THAT OCEAN BREEZE. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE MARTIN COUNTY AND BILLY CREATES, INDIAN RIVER DRIVE, REALLY CREATES A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT

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THE ISLANDS AND THERE ARE SOME DELINEATIONS AND ALIGNED WORK AND EVERYTHING IT'S ALL OF IT, IT'S ALL A BIT SPECIFICALLY IN FRONT OF THE SCHOOL I COULD SEE US WITH THE LED CROSSING SIGNS THAT ARE ACTIVATED AND FOLKS HAVE TO STOP. THERE'S A LOT OF PARAMETERS ON 29TH STREET AND MR. MIMMS YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS FULL WITH THAT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME IS ONE OF THOSE UNIQUE STREETS THAT IS PRACTICALLY FROM THE NORTH SIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE ALL THE WAY THROUGH . IT'S A RACETRACK.

EVEN DOWN TO THE AREA OF FAIRLAWN SAME THING WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS IS AN OLD BASEBALL FIELDS THERE MY BROTHER USED TO PRACTICE LITTLE LEAGUE WITH MATERIALS THERE ON THE BASEBALL FIELD. IT WAS A RACETRACK AND STILL IS A RACETRACK.

ANYWAY, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT EFFORT AND SOME UNIQUE DESIGN PARAMETERS NOT JUST TRADITIONAL SPEED TABLES OR FOUR-WAY STOPS BECAUSE THEY DO WORK, HOWEVER, IF YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE ABIDING BY THE RULES THAT MOMENT AND YOU GET A LITTLE JUMP ON THE SPEED TABLE.

UST RUN THROUGH A STOP SIGN. , I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THIS PAST THURSDAY, WANTED TO SHARE TO THE PUBLIC AND OF COURSE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS WHO HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING OVER AT SOUTH BEACH ON THE ISLAND MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER BRODERICK WERE IN ATTENDANCE AND DID NOT SPEAK WHATSOEVER. I HAVE SOME FOLKS ACTUALLY ASK ME ABOUT THAT IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. THAT'S OKAY.

IT'S ALL ABOUT WHO IS WATCHING ONE AS IT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MEDIA SOURCE GET AMPLIFIED MICROPHONE OR CAN BE A PODCAST IF YOU'RE ABLE TO WATCH A MEETING YOU ARE ABLE T WATCH WITH. SPEAK JUST DON'T ENGAGE IN DIALOGUE , RIGHT, MS. HEDGES.

IGET IT WAS A GREAT TURNOUT . I WASN'T SURE WHAT TO EXPECT BUT I CAN TELL YOU I WAS ABLE TO CONVEY SOME INFORMATION THAT WE WORKED ON AS A COMMISSION THAT MR. MIMMS AND STAFF HAS WORKED ON IN CONJUNCTION WITH US AND I WAS ABLE TO SHARE SOME GOOD NEWS AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME TO SHARE THE GOOD NEWS WITH THE PUBLIC AND THAT KIND OF ENVIRONMENT IN ADDITION TO THAT OF WHAT'S COMING FOR WHAT CAN BE OR WHAT MIGHT BE ON SOUTH BEACH IN DISTRICT 2 SPECIFICALLY.ARLY NOTED DOWN BECAUSE SOUTH BEACH IS A VERY ENGAGED COMMUNITY THEY LIKE TO PAY ATTENTION, THE LIKE TO VOTE, LIKE TO SHOW UP TO MEETINGS.

MS. MARJORIE WAS THERE SHE IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT SHE WAS THERE WITH US AND SO I APPRECIATED HER BEING THERE. IT REALLY WAS A GOOD MEETING IT WAS INTERESTING TO SHARE A MESSAGE AND THEN THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I EVER ACTUALLY INVITED A POTENTIAL LAND OWNER NOT A POTENTIAL LAND OVER EIGHT LAND OWNER AND A POTENTIAL DEVELOPER TO A MEETING INTO A PUBLIC MEETING OF MY DOING TO ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE SHOULD GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT THROUGH SOME CONVERSATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY WAS GLAD THAT FOLKS ENCOURAGED THE OPPORTUNITY. I JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT AND ENCOURAGEMENT AND WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE IT WAS A GREAT NIGHT.

I THINK WEST SIDE OF CHURCH BECAUSE THEY ALLOWED US TO DO IT THERE WITHOUT CHARGE WITHOUT A CONVERSATION. SO, IT WAS NICE THAT COULD BE DONE.

I DID GO OVER THERE AND DID SOME RENDITION WORK AND MY RETENTIVE CLEANUP AND WHATNOT BUT THAT'S OKAY THAT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. IT WAS GREAT IT WAS A GREAT NIGHT JUST GLAD TO SEE FORT PIERCE CHANGING IN A SLOW, OPPORTUNISTIC WAY.

WE ARE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS OF THE COMMISSION WITH OUR CODES, WITH ORDINANCE , OVERLAY DISTRICTS, ALL THE PARAMETERS THAT EVERYONE TALKS TWO.

NO ONE WANTS TO SEE, I SHOULD NOT SAY THAT, SOME DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY CHANGE SOME WANT TO SEE ALL THE CHANGE HAPPEN AT ONCE AND HURRY UP BECAUSE I'M GETTING OLDER AND SO WE HAVE TO FIND THAT HAPPY MEDIUM AND THAT'S THE STRUGGLE.THAT'S THE CONDITIONAL USE STRUGGLE.

AND I HAVE HAD A LOT OF DIALOGU OUTSIDE OF THAT MEETING SINCE THAT TIME ABOUT

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>> REAL QUICK I DON'T HAVE MUCH VOICE LEFT. I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLEMENT COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON ON THE MEETING HE RAN THE OTHER NIGHT. I THOUGHT YOUR MODERATION OF THE MEETING WAS RIGHT ON THE MIDDLE-OF-THE-ROAD. YOU PRESENTED A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT WAS WELL RECEIVED AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE EMOTIONAL FEELINGS ON THE SIZE OF SOME OF THE ISSUES AND I THINK YOU MANAGED TO DO IT REMARKABLY WELL.

>> IS THAT IT? I THINK ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES WE FACE AS A CITY RIGHT NOW IS THE OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR CHANGE IN THE SUPPORT FOR NO CHANGE.

THE PUSHBACK. THE PUSHBACK. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS IT DOES NOT HELP TO SAY THIS TO PEOPLE BUT WHEN WE GO TO THOSE POLICY MEETINGS EVERY OTHER CITY IN FLORIDA IS IN THE SAME BOAT BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE AND BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENING ESPECIALLY AT THE PLACES LIKE US WHERE WE HAVE SOME LAND LEFT ON THE OCEAN AND SOME LAND LEFT ON THE WEST AND THEY ARE ALL SAYING OUR CITIZENS WANT TO STOP, STOP SOME AND LAND OWNERS WANT TO BUILD AND GROW AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST BALANCING ACTS THAT WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, I THINK.

>> SPEAKING OF THE POLICY, WE ARE GOING TO POLICY THIS WEEKEND.

THIS WEEKEND WE HAVE A POLICY MEETINGS THISFRIDAY .

>> YOU ARE VICE CHAIR OF TRANSPORTATION.

>> WE ARE ACTUALLY HEARING FROM MR. PERDUE. HE IS THE SECRETARY IS A TRANSPORTATION?

>> FEDERAL.

>> THE STATE, THE STATE STATE. WHO IS OUR?

>> I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. JERRY O'REILLY IS OUR REGIONAL GUY.

> I WILL SEND IT TO MRS. COX SO THAT WE CAN CIRCLE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT ME TO BRING UP WHILE WE HAVE HIS UNDIVIDED ATTENTION AND I NEEDED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. SO I WILL WORK WITH MRS. COX AND GET THAT TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE FROM THE STATE.

>> IS THERE A WAY TO DIAL INTO THAT?

>> I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE A MEMBER, I THINK. BECAUSE THEY LET PEOPLE WHO ARE MEMBERS BUT CAN'T MAKE THE MEETING LISTEN TO IT.

>> SO THEY PROBABLY WOULD NOT OPEN IT UP TO JUST LISTENING.

>> I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT I AM THROUGH TALKING ALSO AND SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.