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>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THIS IS THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY IT'S NOVEMBER 14, 2023. WE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FORALL .
[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
>> HERE >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON
>> THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVALOF THE MINUTES FOR THE ACTUAL 10TH, 2023 .
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL ROOM.
[5. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]
APPROVAL OF AGENDA.>> ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.
>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, COMMISSIONER GAINES, CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON.
[6. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject on this agenda may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Chairperson, as this section of the Agenda is limited to fifteen minutes. The FPRA Board will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Chairperson, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]
>> NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS A COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC.
>> TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. ANY PERSON WISHING TO MAKE, AND SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
>> MY NAME IS CHAD INGRAM 411 NORTH NINTH STREET MET AMERICAN COMMISSIONERS THE LAST TIME I WAS IN FRONT OF YOU I WAS BRINGING UP THE TOPIC ABOUT SOME OF THE SURPLUS PROPERTY ISSUES. I WANTED TO COME AND REMIND YOU THAT IN PROCESSING SOME OF THE PACKETS ON SPECIFICALLY ABOUT MY BID PACKET THERE WERE CHANGES MADE.BUT I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I DON'T THINK THAT THE CHANGES WOULD HAVE MADE COMICS KISS ME, LOSE THAT PARTICULAR ROUTE. SO I DON'T WANT TO STOP ANYTHING OR STOP YOU GUYS FROM MOVING FORWARD BUT I DO WANT TO, EXCUSE ME, TAKE TIME GOING FORWARD TO LOOK INTO THAT PROCESS AND SEE HOW THOSE CHANGES COULD HAVE BEEN MADE. AND HOW WE CAN PROTECT FROM MAKING IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISH TO ADDRESS PLEASE COME FORWARD.
>> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS LARRY WINTERS MY ADDRESS IS 1710 CRESTVIEW DRIVE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT THE CITY'S TRANSPORTATION SERVICE.
AS YOU KNOW CURRENTLY THE SOUTHERN PORTION BABY ON THE ISLAND STOPS AT GULFSTREAM AVENUE. IN MY HANDS I HAVE ALMOST 100 SIGN PETITIONS TO REQUEST FUTURE FREEBIE TO CONTINUE FURTHER SOUTH ON SOUTH OCEAN DRIVE.
WHILE THIS SUGGESTED EXPANSION IS ONLY ABOUT A MILE WILL INCLUDE SEVERAL KEY FORT PIERCE NEIGHBORHOODS. THESE NEIGHBORHOODS INCLUDE MADE ME, THEY, SOUTH BEACH, SURFSIDE AND OCEAN VILLAGE. THESE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WOULD ADD THOUSANDS OF POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS FOR FREEBIE THIS MINOR EXPANSION WOULD PROVIDE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE CONNECTIVITY TO THE FPRA BUSINESS DISTRICT AND HUGE ECONOMIC DRIVER. WE COULD ALSO FEEL MOBILITY GAPS, IS A TRAFFIC CONGESTION, REDUCE CARBON FOOTPRINT AND A LOWER STRESS ON PARKING DEMANDS IN THE DISTRICT.
I REALIZE TONIGHT YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE OFFICIAL ACTIONS UNDER THE SECTION OF THEIR AGENDA HOWEVER I'M HOPING YOU CAN SAY A FEW WORDS DURING A STAFF BOARD COMMENTS QUESTIONS NINE AND 10 OF THE MEETING I LOOK FORWARD TO ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE THE BEST WAY TO GIVE THE FPRA BOARD COMMUNITY INPUT FOR THE SUGGESTED EXPANSION OF THE FREEBIE SERVICE YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
>> THANK YOU, SIR, ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COURT PLEASE COME FORWARD.
> SAYING THAT NO MOVEMENT WE WILL MOVE ON.
[7. CONSENT AGENDA]
>> IS THERE ANY ANYTHING THAT ANY BOARD MEMBER WANTS TO PULL IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
>> CHAIR APPLICABLE ITEM A. WILL YOU MAKE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF IT?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ONLY WILL, PLEASE.
>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, COMMISSIONER GAINES, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON.
>> YOU WANT TO READ WHAT THAT IS. IT'S A, HE PULLED A READ THAT.
>> APPROVAL OF THE THIRD AMENDMENT TO THE GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STATE OF
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FLORIDA TO PERMIT OF THE STATE AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE EXTENDING THE GRANT.FOR THE I WOULDN'T MISS A PARTY.
>> IS THE THIRD EXTENSION. IS THERE AN IDEA WHERE WE STAND ON THAT PROJECT CURRENTLY BECAUSE THIS EXTENSION I THINK ONLY RAMP TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
>> THE AMENDED LENGTH OF THE AGREEMENT WITH TAKES US TO 620 24.
>> WERE IN THAT WINDOW RIGHT NOW THIS PUTS US IN JUNE. ARE WE WELL UNDERWAY OR IS THIS CAN BE WRAPPED UP IS THAT THE PROCESS?
>> LIMITING OUR ESTEEMED PROJECT MANAGER AUDREY TO THE MICROPHONE SO SHE CAN TELL YOU THE STATUS OF THIS PROJECT.
>> YOU MUST HAVE KNOWN I WAS GOING TO PULL THAT ITEMS TODAY.
>> I WAS NOT SURE BUT WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE I CAN ANSWER.
>> JUST CURIOUS I HAVE NOT PUT ICE AN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND YOU GIVE US THE VERY KIND OF CONCISE STANDPOINT OF WHERE WE ARE ON THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AND WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE AS FAR AS TIMELINE FOR COMPLETION WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WERE LOOKING TO IMPROVE YOUR NOW.
>> ACCORDING TO THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO TAKE ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS TO COMPLETE THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MUSEUM. WE ARE ANTICIPATING THIS WEEK TO SUBMIT THE PERMITS TO THE BUILDING PERMIT BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
THEY HAVE JUST BEEN SOME DELAYS IN COORDINATING THE OTHER ENTITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE MUSEUM. I.E. THE FIRES.
ONE, THE SECURITY SYSTEM. I THINK BECAUSE THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT ARE INVOLVED AND ALSO MAYOR HUDSON TAKE ON CONSIDERATION THE WISHES OR SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS FROM THE HIGHWAYMEN ALSO. IT'S THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO BRING ALL OF THAT TOGETHER. GET INTO A PLAN THAT WE CAN SUBMIT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR THE DEMOLITION PERMIT.
>> YOU ARE READY TO CEMENT NOW?
>> YES, WE ARE READY TO SUBMIT NOW AND WANTS TO GET STARTED IT WILL CONTINUE THE REASON WHY IT WAS CONTINUED EXTENDED IF THAT WAS A SUGGESTION FROM THE STATE IS THAT WITH THIS WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND EXTENDED TO THE END OF THE GRANT PERIOD WHICH WOULD ALLEVIATE US HAVING TO COME BEFORE THEM AND WITH YOU ALSO TO ASK FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION.
>> EXTEND TO THE END OF THE GRANT PERIOD. SO WE HAVE TO EXTEND THE MONEY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? YES AND EVERYTHING HAS TO BE COMPLETED.
>> WE WILL BE WORKING DOUBLE SHIFTS THANK YOU.
>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THE ROLE, PLEASE. BUCKS COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, COMMISSIONER GAINES, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON. MOVING ON TO NEW BUSINESS RESOLUTION 2307 RESOLUTION OF
[a. FPRA Resolution 23-07 Authorizing the execution of a deed to transfer fifteen (15) residential lots and a right of way, known as Oaks at Moores Creek Phase II, approximately 3.38 acres located between Avenue B and Canal Terrace, to OMCII, LLC, a Florida limited liability company.]
THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY INDEPENDENT SPECIAL AGENCY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA AVENUE B AND CONNECTORS DETERMINING THE BEST INTEREST IN THE WELFARE OF THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS PROVIDE FOR APPROPRIATE BUDGET ITEMS PROVIDING FOR EFFECTIVE DATE.THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZES THE EXECUTION OF A DEED TO TRANSFER 15.
>> MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THIS IS THE CONCLUSION OF THE CITY'S PORTION DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH EASE WAS CONSTRUCTION. AM GOING TO ASK AGAIN OUR PROJECT MANAGER AUDREY TO COME UP AND GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT THIS ACTUAL RESOLUTION JUST FOR US IN AUTHORIZING THIS EXECUTION.
>> THIS IS EXCITING THIS IS THREE YEARS IN THE MAKING THE STORY BACK IN 2020.
SO BASICALLY THIS RESOLUTION IS AUTHORIZING STAFF OR FPRA TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE EXECUTION OF THE DEED TO TRANSFER THE PROPERTY TO DEVELOPER. ONCE THAT HAS OCCURRED AND IS ALSO SOMETHIG ELSE THAT WILL BECOME BEFORE YOU AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROPERTY SO WE CAN MOVE ALONG TOWARDS THE CLOSING OF THE PROPERTY AND TO BEGIN THE PROJECT.
ONCE ALL THAT IS DONE WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE CLOSING WILL TAKE PLACE ON OR BEFORE NOVEMBER 30 SHORTLY AFTER THAT THEY WILL BE READY TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION ON THE FIRST SET OF FOUR HOMES AND WE ARE ANTICIPATING THE MEDIA GROUNDBREAKING ON DECEMBER 7 SO
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WERE JUST TRYING TO WORK OUT SOME OF THOSE LOGISTICS AS RELATES TO THAT.WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTINGTHAT PROJECTS ARE GETTING IT MOVING ON.
>> THANK YOU MS. MOORE WELLS. CAN YOU PROVIDE AN UPDATE AS TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED UP FOR FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYER ASSISTANCE OR PROGRAMS OR TRAININGS TO BE PREQUALIFIED FOR THESE HOMES.
I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING SOMETHING IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. KIND OF GETTING PEOPLE READY FOR IT THE DEVELOPER WAS DID I MISS READ THAT?
>> IN THIS PARTNERSHIP, SIR, WE ARE MORE SO THE FACILITATOR OF THE LAND AND INFRASTRUCTURE THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER IS HANDLING ALL THE EDUCATIONAL COUNSELING MARKETING, EVERYTHING.
WE BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THE DEVELOPER COME HERE AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AS TO THEIR ACTIVITIES.
>> I WOULD LIKE THAT I'M CURIOUS AS TO THAT END WE HAD OUTREACH FOR FIRST RESPONDERS, ETC. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THEY ARE WITH THAT. OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A DISCUSSION? OR A MOTION.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, COMMISSIONERGAINES,
[b. FPRA Resolution 23-06 authorizing the execution of the sale and development agreement for 424 & 426 Douglas Court.]
COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, CHARIWOMAN HUDSON . NEXT IS RESOLUTION 23-06 RESOLUTION OF THE 4P'S RITALIN AGENCY SPECIAL DISTRICT OF THE CITY FOR PEACE ORDER TRANSFER OF REAL PROPERTY COMMONLY KNOWN AS AS 424 DOUGLAS COURT WORK FOR 26 DOUGLAS COURT PREVIOUSLY A SURPLUS PROPERTY IN THE BEST INTEREST IN THE PUBLIC BID FOR THE REAL PROPERTY FROM 1/3 PARTY PURCHASER FOR VALUE TO BE IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING OFFICERS ARE ATTORNEYS AND AGENTS IN THE 40S REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO CARRY OUT TRANSACTIONS PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS AND CONFLICT HERE WITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.>> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WE OUGHT TO ASK MIRIAM GARCIA OUR SPECIALIST TO COME APPEAR SHE WILL GIVE US A QUICK OVERVIEW OF HOW WE GOT HERE AND ALSO WHAT WE ARE DOING TONIGHT.
AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS IN SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED AT A DOCUMENT THAT WE ALL AGREED UPON THAT THAT DOCUMENT IS NOW GOING TO BE USED FOR THE SALE AND TRANSFER OF PROPERTIES THAT WE HAVE DESIGNATED AS A SURPLUS AND USED FOR RESIDENTIL CONSTRUCTION. I WILL ALLOW MIRIAM TO GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
>> GOOD EVENING. BACK IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY WE ISSUED AN RFP FOR THE SURPLUS PROPERTIES THIS WAS ONE OF THE SURPLUS PROPERTY BIDS. WE RECEIVED SEVERAL BIDS FOR THE PROPERTY. THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE. THOSE AND SCORED THE HIGHEST PROPOSER WE PRESENTED THAT TO YOU IN APRIL AND THEN YOU APPROVED THE ONE THAT WAS HIGHEST RANKED.AT THAT MEETING IN APRIL INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING THE DEED FPRA BOARD REQUEST A SALE OR AGREEMENT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WHICH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS PRESENTED TO US AND THIS IS THE FINAL VERSION THAT THEY HAVE PRESENTED.
THE DEVELOPER PRESENTED HIS TIMELINE. THE COMMITMENT OF CONSTRUCTION AND CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY SO FOR THIS PROPERTY IT WAS ONE BID BUT IT WAS FOR 4 TO 4 AND 426 DOUGLAS COURT TO PROPERTIES ON ONE RFP. ONE RESOLUTION TO DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS FOR TWO SEPARATE PROPERTIES.
>> THIS INCORPORATES THE SUGGESTIONS WE MADE THE KIND OF CREATED A TEMPLATE IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THE TEMPLATE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED.
>> QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.
>> EXCUSE ME, I THINK YOU SAID CERTIFICATE APPLICATION OF A BUILDING DEPARTMENT OR CONSTRUCTION COMMENCEMENT WHAT ARE THE TIMELINES?
>> THE TIMELINE FOR THIS RFP IS IT WILL APPLY FOR THE BUILDING PERMITS WITHIN 90 CALENDAR DAYS OF THE CLOSING OF THE PROPERTY. SO TODAY IF YOU APPROVED THE SALE AGREEMENT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE TITLE COMPANY AND THEN FROM THAT CLOSING DATE THEY WILL HAVE 90 DAYS THIS DEVELOPER AGREED TO BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMITS WITHIN 90 DAYS.
AND THEN FROM THAT TIME ONCE HE GETS HIS BUILDING PERMITTED ISSUE IT WOULD BE 60 CALENDAR DAYS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT IT WOULD BE ONE YEAR FROM THAT POINT.
>> OKAY. THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE HAVE BEEN HAVING WITH THIS. AND TO HEAR IT LAID OUT DISTINCTLY LIKE THAT I THINK THOSE TIMELINES MAKE SENSE. AND I AM HAPPY. WITH THAT.
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THAT TYPE OF PACKAGE THAT I THINK IT ALLEVIATES THE STRESS POINT, IT ALLEVIATES ALL THE CONCERNS I BELIEVE THAT THIS BODY HAS VOICED AS NICK WAS SAYING MULTIPLE ITERATIONS OF DISCUSSION ON THIS. EXCELLENT JOB, MIRIAM, ON NAILING IT DOWN LIKE THAT AND YOU'RE HOLDING WILBUR WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT. THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TOO.THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE NEED AND THAT MEANS WE ARE LOOKING TO DO BUSINESS NOT JUST SELL PROPERTY. I'M THRILLED WITH THIS PROCESS AND I HOPE TO SEE MANY MORE ALONG THE SAME LINES.
>> ALONG THOSE LINES AND WITH THE DIGITAL RECORDER PART OF THIS THERE IS OVER.
PART OF THIS THAT'S CLEAR TO ME SO WHEN THEY SIGNED THIS THEY KNOW UP FRONT NOT GETTING THESE TIMELINES THEY BREACHED THIS CONTRACT THOSE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTED WILL BE LOST.
THAT'S VERY CLEAR IN THIS AND I'M LOOKING AT THAT. I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT I'M HAPPY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THIS THROUGH AN WE ARE VERY UPFRONT WITH PEOPLE SO WE HOPE TO SEE PROGRESS AND THAT SORT OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO IS TO GET THESE VACANT LOTS ETC.
ACTED UPON IN OUR CITY. HOUSES, WE DON'T WANT THEM BACK WE WANT STUFF BUILT IN ON THE TAX ROLE.
>> ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, MIRIAM, AS PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS AND OTHERS I AM SURE YOU KEEP SOME TYPE OF A MASTER SCHEDULE OF WHEN ALL THESE DATES ARE THE DATES NEED TO BE MET. IF THEY'RE NOT THAT COMES BACK TO US OR DO YOU ISSUE NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER?
>> USUALLY CHECK IN WITH THE DEVELOPERS REGULARLY IF I SEE THEY HAVE LIKE A 60 DAY WINDOW BEFORE THE EXPIRATION WE WILL TOUCH BASE WITH THEM 30 DAYS WE WILL TOUCH BASE AGAIN WITH THE DEVELOPERS WILL REACH OUT, AS WELL.
>> TIMELINES BEING MANAGED INTERNALLY.
>> DID YOU SAY THE DEVELOPER SUGGESTED THESE TIMELINES?
>> SO THEY ARE SAYING THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. WE ARE NOT GOING TO SAY YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS.
>> THIS IS WHAT THEY CAN ACHIEVE.
>> ANYBODY ELSE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALREADY ANY DISCUSSION OR IS THERE A MOTION?
>> MADAM AMIR, I WOULD ENTHUSIASTICALLY MOVED TO APPROVE.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL..
>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, COMMISSIONERGAINES, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, CHARIWOMAN HUDSON .
[c. FPRA Resolution 23-05 authorizing the execution of the sale and development agreement for 612 N 25th Street.]
>> NEXT IS RESOLUTION AND 20 30 FIVE AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF THE SALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO TERMINATE THE TRANSFER OF THE REAL PROPERTY COMMONLY KNOWN AS 612 NORTH 25TH STREET FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA USUALLY A SURPLUS PROPERTY TO BE THE BEST INTEREST IN THE PUBLIC FROM THIRD-PARTY PURCHASES FOR THE VALUES IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST IN AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE OFFICERS, ATTORNEYS AND AGENTS OF THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY TO TAKE ALL ACTIONS NECESSARY TO CARRY OUT TRANSACTIONS PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE TO CLAIM ALL RESOLUTIONS AND CONFLICT HERE WITH PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> MADAM CHAIR, THE BIRDS OF THE BOARD WE AGAIN WE HAVE MIRIAM GARCIA WHO GIVES A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THIS RFP BID AND HOW WE GOT HERE AND WHAT WE ARE DOING TONIGHT.
>> SAME SITUATION WITH THE SURPLUS PROPERTY AT 612 NORTH 25TH STREET THE RP RECEIVED THOSE BIDS FOR THIS ONE --WITH THE HIGHEST RANKED PROPOSAL THEY PROPOSE TO DEVELOP A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK CALLED VILLAGE HE WAS A GARDEN OF HOPE.
THERE TIMELINE FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMITS THEY SAID THEY COULD OBTAIN THOSE PERMITS WITHIN 180 DAYS.FTER THAT THEY COULD COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION 120 DAYS AFTER THEY RECEIVED THEIR BUILDING PERMIT AND THEN COMPLETE THE PARK OR NEIGHBORHOOD PARK WITHIN 180 CALENDAR DAYS. FOUR 612 NORTH 25TH STREET. HE PURCHASED THE ADJACENT LOT SO THIS PART WILL BE DEVELOPED ON BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
>> MY MEMORY WAS ONE OF THE THINGS QUESTIONS WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE UPKEEP OF THE PARK AFTER IT WAS CREATED WAS A WAY TO STAY IN HIS HANDS.
>> HE HAS NOT MADE THAT DECISION AT THIS TIME HE SAID HE WANTED TO GET IT UP AND RUNNING AND THEN HE WOULD DECIDE LATER IF HE WAS GOING TO LOOK TO US FOR ANY ASSISTANCE AS FAR AS UPKEEP OF THE PARK.
>> BUT IT'S HIS UPKEEP UNTIL IT IS?
>> TONIGHT WE ARE SAFELY TRANSFER THE PROPERTY TO THAT ENTITY THAT'S ALL WE ARE DOING
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TONIGHT.>> REMEMBER EARLY ON IN THIS PROCESS I MAY HAVE THE LOTS INTERTWINED IS THERE A LIEN ON THIS?
>> YES, THERE ARE LIENS FROM DEMOLITION.
>> DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION PERTAINING I REMEMBER HAVING SOME ISSUE OF THAT CAN YOU GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THAT? ASK THERE ARE HARD
>> THERE ARE HARD COSTS AND SOFT COSTS I BELIEVE IT SOLD $10,000 IF YOU WAIT THIS OFF BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSER TO $5000 OF HARD COSTS.
>> FPRA OWNS IT, CITY HAS THE LIEN? > CORRECT.
>> OH GOODNESS. AND THEY ARE REQUIRING THIS PROPERTY THEY ARE PURCHASING IT FROM FPRA WHAT IS THE PURCHASE PRICE?
>> SO IN ESSENCE IT CLEARS THE HARD COSTS OF THE CITY HAS INCURRED SO IN ESSENCE JUST A EVEN A SWAP.
>> FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PARK.
>> SO IS THE PUBLIC AND BETTERMENT TO HAVE A PARK.
>> THIS OFF BECAUSE I'M NOT REALLY OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE HARD COSTS WE ARE RECOUPING SO IT'S NOT ZERO. OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> MADAM AMIR, AT THE SAME THOUGHT PROCESS WITH US WEARING OUR FPRA HATS IT'S BASICALLY WE OWE THE LIEN AT THIS POINT, CORRECT. WE ALL WHATEVER IT IS.
THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY. WE OWE THE CITY. SO SITTING WITH HIS HAT ON THE GIVEN BALANCE OUT THERE AND AGREEMENT OF THE TRANSFER PROPERTY TO THE NET ZERO BUT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. EVEN BETTER AND WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IT EVEN BECOMES MORE OF A POSITIVE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
>> I THINK WE WERE LOOKING AT A PARK SCENARIO THAT'S GOING TO BE USED BY THE CITIZENRY FOR A PARK ENVIRONMENT I MIGHT HAVE MORE OF A CONCERN RELATIVE TO THE PAYOUT BUT IN THIS INSTANCE I THINK IT'S IN THE PUBLIC GOOD THAT WAS GOING TO BE. THERE IS GOING TO BE A BENEFIT TO ALL AND SINCE THE CITY IS NOT BE FINANCIALLY REALLY HARMED IN ANY CAPACITY WE ARE COMING OUT AT ZERO AND I'M LIKE OKAY THIS IS A POSITIVE AND IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION TO POTENTIALLY THORNY SITUATION.
>> DO WE RECALL HOW WE HOW FPRA ACQUIRE THIS PARCEL WAS A TRANSFER FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY?
>> PROBABLY, YES. TYPICALLY, WE WOULD GET ME FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND THERE WOULD BE DIRECTED TO CITY OF FORT PIERCE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WOULD TRANSFER THE PROPERTY TO FPRA. THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT HAPPENS.
>> AND THEY STARTED LIMITING THE FINES ON IT.
>> ST. LUCIE COUNTY PROBABLY INCURRED IN THE FINES. SOMEBODY DID AT SOME POINT.
>> FPRA IS THE OWNER AND AS THE OWNER WE CURRENTLY OWE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE MONEY FOR WORK THAT WAS DONE AND THAT WILL BE PAID TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THOSE LIENS WILL BE SATISFIED.I THINK IT'S A GOOD OUTCOME.
>> MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THE LIENS DO RUN WITH THE LAND.
SO ONCE IT IS EXECUTED IF IT'S EXECUTED IT WOULD RUN TO THE PURCHASER.
HE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIENS THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFICALLY WRITTEN INTO THE SALE AGREEMENT RELATED TO THE PAYMENT OF THOSE LIENS.
>> JUST AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WE WILL UTILIZE THE PROCEEDS FROM THE SALE TO PAY OFF THE CITY AND SATISFY THE LIENS AND IT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF.
WE REALLY NEED I THINK WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT AND ILLUSTRATIVELY.
>> SO WHAT I HEAR WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT WHICH IS FINE.
BUT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THERE'S GOING TO BE TITLED, RESEARCH DONE, COULD BE, RIGHT SO MY POINT IS CLEAR IT SO THE TRANSFER CAN BE CLEAR. IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
>> JEREMIAH, THE FLIPSIDE IS THE BUYER TAKES IT WITH THE LIEN.
I UNDERSTAND OUR AGREEMENT AS WE ARE DISCHARGING A POST CLOSING BUT THE BURDEN IS BEEN SHIFTED TO THEM SO WE ARE NOT AT ANY RISK IN ANY CAPACITY AT ALL.
AND THEN WE DO A POST CLOSING I AM FINE WITH THAT WHOLE PROCESS I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT THE CITY IS NOT AT ANY RISK BY DOING IT THAT WAY.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY OF THE DISCUSSION?THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE A MOTION OR DISCUSSION?
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>> MADAM AMIR I MOVED TO THE APPROVAL.
>> IS THERE A SECOND? WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, COMMISSIONER GAINES, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, CHARIWOMAN HUDSON
[d. Progression Properties LLC redevelopment update for 1409 Avenue J & 2002 Avenue M requesting an additional extension; deadline to commence construction was November 10, 2024]
>> ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS A PROGRESSION PROPERTIES LLC REDEVELOPMENT UPDATE FOR 429 AVENUE J AND 2002 AVENUE M REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL EXTENSION DEADLINE TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION WAS NOVEMBER 10, 2024.
>> MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PROPERTIES AND WE ASK THAT REPRESENTED TO ATTEND THIS MEETING AND THEY HAVE THAT REQUEST TO YOU.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR THAT REQUEST?
>> MADAM CHAIR, BOARD MEMBERS I THOUGHT I HEARD MADAM CLARK RITA COMMENCEMENT WAS 2024 WAS A SUPPOSED BE 2023? MR. MIMS, DO YOU KNOW.
>> THE TITLE SAYS THE 2024, IS THAT A MISTAKE?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH I FEEL LIKE MARTY LIVING IN 2024.
>> IS THERE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM A PROGRESSION PROPERTIES WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND SAY ANYTHING TO THE BOARD?
>> GOOD EVENING MADAM AMIR, COMMISSION, STAFF I AM PAMELA CARRUTHERS 2415 LAKE AVENUE IS LAYING IN THE VERO BEACH, FLORIDA. I'M COMING BEFORE YOU REQUESTING AN EXTENSION TO THE PREVIOUSLY EXTENDED DATE THAT WAS SET BEFORE YOU IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR. TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION OF PROPERTIES AT 1409 AVENUE J AS WELL AS 2002 AVENUE M. AT OUR LAST MEETING THE TIMELINE WAS SET TO HAVE AT LEAST A BASELINE OF CONSTRUCTION IN PLACE BY THE NOVEMBER 10 DEADLINE OF THIS YEAR. AT THIS PARTICULAR JUNCTURE WE HAVE GRADED THE PROPERTIES AS WELL AS SEDATED THE PERMIT APPLICATIONS AND FOR BOTH OF THOSE PARCELS.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. THE PERMIT, THE DPC ARE PORTION OF THE PERMIT IS WHAT HAS BEEN TRACKED ON BOTH OF THOSE PARCELS. ON BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES.
I HAVE MY CONTRACTOR, GENERAL CONTRACTOR, WITH ME, AS WELL. TO ADDRESS ANY OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
>> MADAM AMIR, SO THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING A LITTLE BIT. SO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE PROCESS INTO THE REVIEW IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, ALSO. WE ARGUE WITH THAT PART?
>> WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT PART OF IT IS THE PERMIT APPLICATION THE INITIAL DEPARTMENT PERMIT COMPLIANCE REVIEW THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE VARIOUS ENGINEERING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ON THOSE PARCELS. I SPOKE WITH CONFIRMED THAT TODAY WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
>> SO DPC R BUT WHAT ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PLANS AND THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION? THE SPECIFIC PLANS ARE PART OF THE PERMIT REVIEW AND ONCE THAT IS COMPLETE THEN WE ARE READY TO SUBMIT WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR THAT INITIAL.
>> THAT'S COMPLIANCE REVIEW ONCE THAT'S COMPLETE WE ARE BUILDING PERMIT.
>> HAVE THEY INDICATED YOU HOW LONG THAT WILL TAKE IN ADDITION TO? X NO, THEY HAVE NOT I CAN CHECK WITH MY CONTRACTOR TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY INFORMATION.
>> IF HE IS GOING TO SPEAK IS TO COME UP AND IDENTIFY HIMSELF.
THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WANT HIM TO SPEAK THAT'S FINE BUT HE NEEDS TO COME UP AND IDENTIFY HIMSELF.
>> SO MY CHALLENGE IN QUESTION IS GOING TO BE YOUR CONTRACTOR. BECAUSE HE WILL PULL THE PERMIT APPLICATION IN HIS NAME. IN THE COMPANY'S NAME. WITH HIS LICENSE.
YOU HAVE SIGNED AND SEALED PLANS YOU WILL SUBMIT AND THOSE ARE SIGNED AND SEALED TODAY AND THEY ARE 100 PERCENT COMPLETE SIGNED AND SEALED?
>> HAS THE BILLING DEPARTMENT INDICATED ANY TIMEFRAME OF THAT REVIEW AND HERE'S WHY I'M ASKING BECAUSE OF NEW BUILDING CODE GOES INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1 SO YOU HAVE A PERMIT IN YOUR
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HAND YOU WILL BE BACK BACKWARDS A FEW STEPS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS TOLD YOU THAT WERE SHARED THAT WITH YOU AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO MEET THE NEW CODES AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A STRUGGLE FROM THIS SEAT RIGHT HERE FOR MEETING PART OF THAT INDUSTRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS YOU ARE ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION AND IF YOU DON'T MEET THE SPECIFIC DEADLINES OF SOMETHING THAT'S OUT OF ALL OF OUR CONTROL. THE SECOND YOU ARE GOING TO BE GOING BACKWARDS AGAIN AND NOT SURE YOU'RE GOING TO MEET THE DEADLINE ONE MORE TIME. THOSE ARE TOUGH QUESTIONS BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT'S A REAL CONVERSATION THAT HAS TO BE MADE.>> ABSOLUTELY, AT THIS TIME OF THE TWO DIFFERENT THAT'S MY GENERAL CONTRACTOR.
>> ESTEEMED GORDON MY NAME IS LLOYD CONSTANCE 2706 ATLANTIC AVENUE FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA.
I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS ANY THING CONCERNING A PROJECT ON AVENUE J AND AVENUE M.
>> YOUR BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION WHAT IS YOUR PLAN AND HAVING HAD A CONFERENCE WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OF HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO GET THE BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED?
>> NO CONFERENCE PER SE AS YET. TO ADDRESS THE MATTER CONCERNING 1 JANUARY AS WE KNOW THEM BUT WE ARE STILL TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD TO GET THAT SUBMITTED PRIOR TO THAT TIME.
AS IT STATES RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING PRETTY CLOSE BECAUSE JANUARY, DECEMBER AND NOVEMBER, IS USUALLY VACATION MONTHS THIS TIME WILL GO REAL QUICK SO I'M TRYING TO PUSH IT AFTER REVIEW IS FINISHED AFTER REVIEW WE WILL GO AHEAD WITH SUBMISSION. HOPEFULLY, HAVE TIME TO GET IT IN BEFORE JANUARY 1. FOR THE NEW CODE.
>> IS AN ORDER ISSUED JANUARY 1?
>> THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPINIONS WE WOULD HAVE TO ASK BUILDING.
>> IT'S A BIG SWING OF TIME. I WILL NOT SPEAK FOR OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL BECAUSE YOU KNOW THIS MISSION TIMELINE VERSUS THE ISSUE TIMELINE IS A VAST DIFFERENCE.
>> DRASTIC. I DON'T MEAN TO PUT A COG IN THE WHEEL HERE TO TALK ABOUT BUT IT'S A REAL CONVERSATION IT'S A REAL MATTER OF FACT IT'S A REAL HARD DEADLINE JANUARY 1 AND IT'S SOMETHING IT'S A FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. SO SOMETIMES THAT TRIGGERS A TOTAL REDESIGN, TRIGGERS JUST A FEW UPDATES WITHIN THE DESIGN FROM YOUR ARCHITECT AND YOUR ENGINEER WHOEVER'S DOING YOUR PLANS. ARE THEY AWARE OF THAT?
>> YES, THEY ARE AWARE OF THAT AND I AM AWARE OF THAT.
>> MADAM CHAIR, I WANT TO BE CLEAR WHEN WAS THE APPLICATION SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR THIS?
>> IT WAS SUBMITTED BEFORE SEPTEMBER 25.
>> SEPTEMBER 25 YOU SUBMIT PLANS TO BUILD WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO OCTOBER 25?
>> SEPTEMBER 25 WE ISSUED TO THE D VCR FOR REVIEW WHEN THIS HAS BEEN CLEARED FOR THE DPCR WE WILL PUT IN FOR THE PERMIT. OUR PLAN IS TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
>> WHEN IT'S CLEAR TO EVEN SUBMITTED THAT TO OUR BILLING DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS WHEN WAS THAT SUITED TO THEM?
>> THAT WAS NOT SUITED TO THE BILLING DEPARTMENT IT CANNOT BE SUBMITTED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT UNTIL AFTER REVIEW.
>> BASICALLY, COMMISSIONERS IT'S A COMPLIANCE REVIEW PROCESS THAT HAPPENS PREVIOUS TO THE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED.
>> I GET THAT BABY IN MY MIND IS BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS OUR BILLING DEPARTMENT HAS ISSUED A PERMIT FOR STUFF TO START HAPPENING AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS WHEN DID THEY GET IT BEFORE THEY HAVE IT DOWN THERE AND PROCESSING IT AND WILL COME OUT NEXT WEEK I DON'T KNOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE FOR ME I HAVE NOT BUILT MUCH THE BUT I KNOW PROCESSES SO IF YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU PUT IT INTO OUR BILLING DEPARTMENT WHICH I KNOW ISSUES PERMITS TO BUILD STUFF THAT'S THE DATE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUTWHEN THEY HIT THEIR DEPARTMENT OR IF IT HAS HIT . SO THAT TO ME TRIGGERS SOMETHING BECAUSE I KNOW FROM EVERYTHING I HEAR IT TAKES TIME TO WORK THE BILLING DEPARTMENT TO GET THE OFFICIAL STAMP AND YOUR CERTIFICATE TO START MOVING IN YOUR TELLING ME THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON THAT THE RULES ARE CHANGING JANUARY 1 ON THIS?
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>> FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. >> THEY MUST HAVE THE PERMIT IN HAND BEFORE THEM FIRST OF ALL AND THEY HAVE IT IN HAND BUT SAY THEY GET IT IN DECEMBER AND ARE SAFE TO GO WITH THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE.
>> WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE ISSUED.
>> THEN IT WOULD BE REJECTED AND REQUIRE MODIFICATIONS AND RECORDS IT MEET THE NEW FLORIDA BUILDING CODE SO HE GETS KICKED BACK AND REDRAFT AND RESUBMIT.
>> BUT THIS DEADLINE OF NOVEMBER 10 WAS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION.
>> AND WHY DID THAT NOT HAPPEN?
>> YES MADAM MAYOR, WHEN WE INITIALLY SUBMITTED THE PERMIT FOR COMPLIANCE REVIEW THAT WAS IN OCTOBER. AND HE CAME BACK BECAUSE OF IT NEEDING THE DRIVEWAY PERMIT, TREE REMOVAL PERMIT AS WELL AS THE LANDSCAPING PERMIT. AND SO, IN THE MEANTIME WE HAD BOTH, WE HAVE PARCELS GRADED SO THAT WHEN THAT ISSUANCE OF HER IT WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY READY TO LAY THE FOUNDATION.
>> BUT WHEN WE GAVE YOU THE EXTENSION WHICH I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG DID WE GIVE YOU THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS? FIVE MONTHS.
>> IT WAS IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR.
>> WHEN YOU TRY TO SUBMIT THOSE THINGS EARLIER THAN OCTOBER?
>> YES AND INITIALLY WE HAD JUST BASIC DRAWINGS. WE DO NOT HAVE THE COMPLETE SET OF PLANS. FROM THE ARCHITECT.
>> HE WAS EXTREMELY BUSY. >> BUT WE GIVE YOU A DEADLINE TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION. YOU NEEDED TO HAVE ALL THAT IN PLACE YOU NEEDED TO BE CONSTRUCTING SOMETHING RIGHT NOW AS OPPOSED TO YOU JUST TURN SOMETHING IN AND OCTOBER IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
>> I HINDUS EXCUSE BUT THIS IS REALITY BUT THEY DID IT IS IN TIME TO DO A PRESENTATION AND THAT'S WHY.
>> IS HE YOUR ARCHITECT? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER GAINES.
>> I'M SITTING HERE IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE SAID BEFORE WERE WE WANT STUFF BUILT WE DON'T WANT IT COMING BACK. I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING TO COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON WHO IS AN ENGINEER IN HIS FIELD AND FROM COMMISSIONER BRODERICK SAYING THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET A PERMIT PRIOR TO DECEMBER 1. I NEED JANUARY 1 WITH THE NEW BUILDING CODE.
RIGHT? SO YES THERE'S NO CONSTRUCTION STARTED OR SHOULD HAVE STARTED LAST WEEK THE 10TH WAS LAST WEEK. NO CONSTRUCTION BUT IT.
PULLED THIS. WE ARE BACK AT ZERO SQUARE ONE WITH THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? IS THAT HOW IT WORKS?
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SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DECIDE AND SAY OKAY GUYS WE GIVE ANOTHER EXTENSION AND I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYONE IS GOING BUT IF WE GET ANOTHER EXTENSION, THIS IS IT. DON'T REQUEST ANOTHER ONE, THIS IS IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW I'M JUST TOWARD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I'M TORN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I HEAR THEM AND THEY ARE TRYING. I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE ARCHITECT WHY THEY DIDN'T HAPPEN I DON'T KNOW I UNDERSTND EVERYBODY GETS BUSY.MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME DATES AFTER I LEFT YOUR MEETING IN JUNE AND JUNE EARLY PART OF JULY WE STARTED THIS I DON'T KNOW WHY NOT HERE TO JUDGE THAT BUT I DO HERE AND I RELY ON COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON IF I SAVE 50 PERCENT IS LOWER THAN THAT LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE BUT I KNOW SOMETHING HAS BEEN DONE.
WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IF WE WANT TO TAKE IT BACK AND GO BACK TO ZERO AND START ALL OVER AGAIN WERE SAY, HEY GUYS, THIS IS IT DON'T COME BACK IN FRONT OF US.
THIS WOULD BE WHAT SECOND EXTENSION, THIRD EXTENSION?
>> SECOND EXTENSION. THEY KNOW I AM A BASEBALL PLAYER SO THREE STRIKES.
JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU THREE STRIKES YOU GO BACK TO THEDUGOUT AND SIT DOWN AND WAIT TILL NEXT AT-BAT . I HEAR THE CONCERNS I HEAR THE FRUSTRATIONS BUT I DON'T WANT TO MOVE BACK TO ZERO WHEN I HAVE 50 PERCENT ALREADY THERE BUT I NEED THE COMPANY AND THE DEVELOPER AND EVERYBODY TO KNOW THAT WE NEED TO SEE SOME ACTION AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANYTHING JANUARY 3 OR FEBRUARY 3 IF WE DECIDE TO GO THAT WAY I WANT TO SEE SOMETHING GOING ON TO THE END OF THE MONTH AND SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT STICKING OUT MY NECK AND SAME, HEY, YOU GOT 50 PERCENT LET'S BRING IT. SO THAT'S HOW I'M FEELING.
I HEAR THE CONCERNS, YOU THE FRUSTRATIONS BUT BASED ON EVERYTHING ELSE WE HAVE SAID WHEN WE PUT THEM UP REALLY WANT SOMETHING BUILT AND WE DON'T WANT THEM BACK.
SO I AM LEANING TOWARDS THE, HEY, RELY ON NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON I'M JUST USING YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION FIELD THAN I DO.
YOU COULD BE THE CONCERT AND THE SECOND WILL DO THAT FOR YOU VERY WELL.
BUT AS FAR AS TIME AS FAR AS I DID READ THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE WHEN I SAW THIS.
AND I CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT'S IN HAND OR SUBMITTED I DON'T KNOW AND I'M GOING TO BE LIKE MY COLLEAGUE I'M NOT GOING ON RECORD TO SAY EITHER OR BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE ALL KNOW JANUARY 1 IS A NEW CODE.SO IF WE DECIDE TO REGRET THIS DECISION SOMETHING WE MIGHT AS WELL LET THEM KNOW THAT WHATEVER YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO BUILD MIGHT AS WELL BE UP TO THE NEW CODE THAT'S COMING BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THE NEXT MEETING TO COME BACK AND SAY 12 WE HAD TO CHANGE SOMETHING BECAUSE THE CODE STARTED IN JANUARY 1. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE WERE TALKING ABOUT IT TONIGHT NOVEMBER 14 AND WE KNOW IT'S COMING SO THAT'S MY CONCERN HERE I HEAR THE FRUSTRATION AND I SEETHE LOOKS , I SEE THE LOOKS. I SEE THE LOOKS. BUT I WILL TAKE 50 PERCENT THEN ZERO BECAUSE IT HAD PEOPLE COME SINCE I COME HERE AND THEY HAVEN'T STARTED ANYTHING.
SO I'M WILLING TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE THAT'S HOW I FEEL BUT I WILL GO ALONG WITH WHAT THE REST OF THE BOARD SAYS.
>> MADAM MAYOR. YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN. I JUST SO HAPPEN TO HAVE A CONVERSATION THIS AFTERNOON WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT DOES MAJORITY OF OUR WORK.
AND WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THE PIPELINE RIGHT NOW AND I'M ALMOST GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
AND HE WAS RAILING ON THE ISSUE OF GETTING PLANS DONE. AND IT WAS A HALF-HOUR CONVERSATION ABOUT EVERYTHING BE INSTALLED AT ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS AND GETTING IT THROUGH BECAUSE THEY ARE SO BUSY. THERE IS SOME LEGITIMACY TO THE COMMENT ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF DELAYS BEEN ACCURATE IN THIS CONVERSATION HAD NOTHING TO DO
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WITH ANYTHING OF HERE IT WAS JUST THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT THE INDUSTRY.SO I DO KNOW THAT IS TAKING PLACE CURRENTLY. I SHARE COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON'S CONCERNS ON TIMING AND THE MAYORS CHAIRPERSONS CONCERNS RELATIVE TO WE ARE FIVE MONTHS INTO THIS AND WHY WERE THESE DELAYS INHERENTLY IN THE PROCESS THAT'S NOT US, THAT'S OUTSIDE WITH THEM INTO THEIR TEAM CONTRACTOR PROCESS IT THERE.
COMMISSIONER GAINES MAKES A VALID POINT WE ARE 50 PERCENT OF THE WAY THROUGH SIGNIFICANT MONIES HAVE BEEN EXPENDED WE ARE BETTER OFF TAKING THAT AND KEEPING THIS ON A SHORT LEASH TO GET THIS TO THE PROCESS. TO GET VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION MOVING FORWARD OR GETTING INTO THE WHOLE REVERTER PROCESS WHICH IS GOING TO BE NIGHTMARISH AS WELL I'M GOING TO ASSUME. SO HAVING HAD SAID THAT AS MUCH AS IT PAINS ME BECAUSE YOU KNOW MY POSITION ON THIS I'M ALMOST SAYING HALF THE LOAF IS BETTER THAN NO LOAF AT THIS TIME.
BUT, THE JANUARY 1 CHANGE OF THE BUILDING CODE IS LIKE A BLACK SWAN EVENT FOR ANYTHING IN THE PIPELINE. ANYBODY, EVERY APPLICATION IS GOING TO BE SUBJECTED TO THIS.
COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON IS RIGHT IT COULD BENUANCES CHANGE IT COULD BE SWEEPING CHANGES REQUIRED ON ANY PLANS THAT ARE PENDING . THAT I CAN'T HOLD THE APPLICANT RESPONSIBLE FOR. BUT, IF IT WAS MY PROJECT I WOULD BE SENDING PLANS THAT NEED TO THOSE NEW CODES NOW. I WOULD NOT WAIT KNOWING THAT JANUARY 1 I'VE GOT TO START THIS PROCESS OVER AGAIN. I WOULD BE ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS AS SOON AS I SUBMIT IT KNOWING THAT WAS GOING TO BE. IT'S A DILEMMA TO SAY THE LEAST.
AND IT'S KIND OF AND A HALF A LOAF THEORY VERSUS NONE AT ALL AND GOING TO THE TIME WHEN 228 REVERTER, TIMELINE TO RFP, TIMELINE TO GET CONSTRUCTION GOING VERTICAL.
I KNOW IT'S UNUSUAL FOR ME BUT BASED ON THE HALF LOAF THEORY IS A BETTER OFF CONTINUING THAT METHODOLOGY BUT WITH A SHORT TIMELINE. AND I DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE THIS PROJECT CANDIDLY I DON'T WANT BACK HERE EVERY MONTH TO GET A REPORT WITH EXACT PIECE OF PAPER THE DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRED TO SIGN BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE PUSHED BACK AND THERE WILL BE CHANGES REQUIRED. BUT I THINK COMMISSIONER GAINES YOUR SUGGESTED THIS APPROACH I AM FOLLOWING YOUR LEAD HERE BUT THE TIMELINES I THINK NEED TO PBE MANAGED CONSISTENTLY THAT'S ONGOING WITH.
>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I DON'T HAVE.
>> I DON'T EITHER THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
>> SAYS THE APPLICANT AND THE CONTRACTOR IS HERE WE NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS IF WE GRANT THIS WHEN CAN WE EXPECT AND I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T KNOW THE WHEN I DON'T WANT YOU TO WAIT AND COME BACK JANUARY 2 I DON'T THINK WE ARE OPEN SHOULD WITH THE SECOND WHENEVER WE OPENED BACKUP AND 2024 I DON'T WANT YOU TO COME THAT DAY AND SAVE, WELL, WE JUST SUBMITTED 8BC I WANT TO SEE SOME ACTIONS LIKE NOVEMBER, DECEMBER KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO FACE WHATEVER THIS BUILDING CODE IS JUST GO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, HEY, LET'S DO WHATEVER LET'S TRY TO DO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS BUILDING CODE AND GO FROM THERE.
WITH ALL THAT SAID I'M NOT A GENERAL CONTRACTOR OF SECURE WORK I DON'T KNOW WORK KNOW WHAT I NEEDED. FOR PUBLIC RECORD KNOWING THAT THIS YOUNG MAN HE HAS KNOWN ME.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER IT IS WHAT IT IS BUT HE'S IN THE COMMUNITY WORKING SEE HIS WORK. WITH YOUR EXPERTISE WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT SO WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON HOW WE CAN START I CAN SEE SOME AS BASIC SHOVELS IN THE GROUND.
>> I WILL ADDRESS THAT IN TWO WAYS. FIRST, THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE IS TO MY KNOWLEDGE IT IS AFFIRMED EVERY SEVEN YEARS IT IS UPDATED EVERY FOUR YEARS.
AND THAT PERIOD OF TIME OF TWO YEARS THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT CODES THAT ARE INTRODUCED LIKE PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF CITIZENS SEND IT UP TO TALLAHASSEE THEY GO TO ALL THE INFORMATION ON THE COME AND PLAY AROUND WITH THE DIFFERENT THINGS JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE ONE OF THE CODES I HAVE CHANGED FROM TWO YEARS AGO WE USED TO GET MAD AT THE STUCCO GUYS DOING ALL THIS WORK
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OUT HERE NOW THEY CAN DO THE WORK WITH WHAT NO LICENSE USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE.SEVEN YEARS BEFORE THEN THAT CODE WENT INTO EFFECT TO BE PERMITTED.
SO I SAY THAT TO SAY THIS NOW THAT THE CODE THE CHANGES WILL BE THE SEVENTH.
BECAUSE OF THAT HAS BEEN CHANGING THE ARCHITECT IS ADJUSTED FOR THAT.
THEY HAVE ADJUSTED FOR MANY EVENTS THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH SHE CAN REMEMBER.
AND NOT ALL OF THEM WILL AFFECT US. HOWEVER, WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW I DON'T THINK WITH IN MY EXPERIENCE IT WILL SET US BACK.
WEISS TO THE DEGREE IT WILL BE MONTHS ON END. IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE BUT IT'S A SIMPLE MATTER OF A REVIEW BECAUSE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS NOW.
, JANUARY 1, LET'S SAY ONE THING HAS NOT BEEN MADE IN THE REVIEW PROCESS TO BE REVIEWED OR UPDATED AND MOVE FORWARD. THAT TIME PERIOD I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE.
NOW, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION CONCERNING THE SHOVEL IN THE GROUND BUILDING BEING HOISTED IF THEY GIVE US IF THEY ISSUED THE PERMIT ON JANUARY 1 END OF JANUARY WE WILL START WORK.
>> OKAY SO, THAT IS TO BE QUALIFIED. YOU ARE INDICATING THAT WINTER PERMIT IS ISSUED WHAT IS YOUR TIMELINE YOU ARE STARTING WORK?
>> VERY SHORT TIME WITHIN 30 DAYS OF BEING ISSUED. WORK WILL BE STARTED.
>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SO STARTING WITH STAFF SO RIGHT NOW THIS CURRENT PROCESS FOR THIS AWARD BID IS NOT UNDER THE CURRENT NEW FORM WE JUST DID, RIGHT?
>> SO THERE'S NO REVERTER ON THIS PROPERTY BID?
>> THERE IS AS PART OF THE DEED. I DON'T THINK THE DEED WAS ATTACHED TO THIS AGENDA ITEM.
>> IT IS THERE. WHAT IT SAYS THAT IF THE GRANTEE FAILS TO COMMENCE THE IMPROVEMENTS DESCRIBED THEREIN MEANING THE BID DOCUMENTS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE OF ORDINANCES WITHIN 18 MONTHS OF THE DATE HEREOF THEN A GRANTOR SUCCESSOR SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO REENTER THE PROPERTY AND TAKE TITLE BACK. SO THE DEED GAVE 18 MONTHS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION.
>> FROM THE ORIGINAL DATE THEY WON THE BID?
>> CORRECT WHICH WAS NOVEMBER 30 OF 2021.
>> AND SO, AS I HEAR THIS AND UNDERSTAND THIS YOU HAVE JUST TALKED ABOUT THE NEW BUILDING PROCESS THE NEW BUILDING CODE WE MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS RIGHT NOW IS THAT CORRECT THE NEW BUILDING CODES SO THE STANDARD TO WHICH YOU HAVE SUBMITTED PLANS RIGHT NOW TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD MEASURE UP IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE THE USE OF IT IS SOMETHING RIGHTNOW? MY COLLEAGUE , MY COLLEAGUE HAS HINTED THAT IF IT WERE HIM HE WOULD TRY TO FIGURE OUT I GUESS WHAT THE NEW BUILDING CODES ARE SO YOU CAN MODIFY WHAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED TO OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
>> IS PUBLISHED IS JUST BEEN ADOPTED.
>> SO WE KNOW THE BUILDING CODES ARE NOW? ALRIGHT SO, LET'S SAY THEN THAT THAT PROCESS GOES THROUGH YOU AND MODIFY YOUR PLANS TO THIS NEW SPEC OF BUILDING CODES ETC.
AND SUBMIT THAT AND WE GET TO JANUARY AND IT STILL NOT APPROVED, NOT ISSUED, NOT IN HAND WE DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY THAT GOES SO NOW WERE IN A FURTHER DELAY OF GETTING THIS PROJECT OFF THE GROUND. AM I CORRECT? AND SO, AT THAT POINT WE ARE WAITING ON THAT PROCESS TO FINISH UP BEFORE WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHEN WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET SHOVELS IN THE GROUND YOU JUST SAID IT'S 30 DAYS AFTER THE BUILDING PERMIT
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HAS BEEN ISSUED YOU CAN GET SHOVELS IN THE GROUND. THAT 2021 DATE JUST A RING IN MY MIND. WE WERE IN JUNE 17TH WHEN WE HAD THIS BEFORE US AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE WENT ON WHAT WAS ASKED OF US TO GIVE THE EXTENSION WHICH WAS 150 DAYS THAT WAS ASKED OF US. TO GIVE YOU 150 DAYS AND NOW WE ARE SAYING THE ARCHITECTURE DID PNOT GET IT BACK TO YOU NOW YOU HAVE IT SOMEHOW WE ARE BETWEEN I AM IN MY MIND SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THIS THING BEING IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OVER THERE RIGHT NOW AND IT BEING SOLICITED OR NOT SUBMITTED AND I AM STILL DRAWING A BLANK ON THAT.AND NOW YOU ARE SITTING HERE AND WE ARE UP AGAINST BASICALLY 60 DAYS FROM THE NEW YEAR AND THE BUILDING CODE CHANGE AND YOU HAVEN'T MODIFIED WHAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED ALREADY.
YOU DON'T? THE ARCHITECT SO THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE.
HE DID? SO THE ARCHITECT HAS DONE THE MODIFICATION FOR THE NEW BUILDING CODE COMING IN AND THAT'S HOPEFULLY OVER THERE IN THAT BUILDING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW AND THEY ARE REVIEWING THAT? WHICH IS NOT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
>> IT'S MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
>> I'M WORRIED ABOUT GETTING TO JANUARY AND WERE HERE AGAIN. IF SOMETHING IS GOING TO BE GRANTED I AM DONE WITH THIS IN JANUARY. I AM DONE.
I AM DONE. PERIOD. IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED AND WE DON'T HAVE A BUILDING CODE I AM TELLING YOU I AM DONE. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO. WE ARE SETTING PRECEDENTS HERE UNFORTUNATELY IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. AND I DON'T KNOW IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER IF YOU PAID A DOLLAR, TWO DOLLARS OR WHATEVER IT WAS ON THIS BID PROCESS IT WAS PROPERTY THAT WAS PUT OUT AND PLANS WERE SUBMITTED AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND WE ARE NOT THERE.
AND WE JUST HAD TWO PEOPLE COME HERE WITH THAT PROCESS THAT THEY SET THEIR DATES AND WE HAD A VERY HARD REVERTER AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE MOVING WITH AND NOW WE KEEP SLIDING AND SLIDING AND SLIDING. IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE NEXT 60 DAYS FOR ME ON THIS GUY.I AM DONE. I AM DONE WITH THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY YOU MAKE WHATEVER MOTIONS, JANUARY IF THERE'S NO BUILDING PERMIT MOVING FORWARD WE ARE GOING TO GET FURTHER DELAY I'M GOING TO BE MAKING A MOTION THAT WE CANCEL THIS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW.
>> THIS IS THE PROCESS OF MOVING FORWARD.
>> BUT I'M SITTING HERE TONIGHT PNOT CONFIDENT. I'M SITTING HERE NOT CONFIDENT THAT THIS HAS BEEN FULLY SUBMITTED TO MY BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
AND I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO THE PROCESS. AND SO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS I DON'T WANT TO BE LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN WE ARE STILL TRYING TO GET STUFF BUILDING BACK AND FORTH AT THAT POINT IT'S DEFEATING THE WHOLE PURPOSE. I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.
WE HAVE GOT PEOPLE THAT HAVE COMMITTED TO THE PROCESS ALREADY.
AND I AM JUST IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION. I KNOW THIS PROPERTY I WANT TO SEE IT DEVELOPED SOMEONE NEEDS TO BE LIVING THERE IN A HOUSE.
>> 50, THE FREQUENCY ONCE THE PERMIT IS ISSUED THE CONTRACTOR SAYS WITHIN 30 DAYS HOWEVER THE CLEARING AGENCY OR THE COMPANY THAT'S CLEARING ARE ALSO LEAVING LANE THE PATH FOR THE FOUNDATION SO THAT WILL BE DONE BEFORE THOSE 30 DAYS.
>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, CAN I JUST EXPAND.
>> I NEED SOME HELP. I NEED HELP ON THIS.
>> I THINK I SEE A POTENTIAL PATHWAY HERE, COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, FIRST OF ALL BEFORE I COMMENT ON THAT WHAT IS YOUR ASK YOUR TONIGHT?
>> THE ASK IS THAT ONCE THE PERMIT IS ISSUED WE ARE ASKING 30-45 DAYS UPON THE ISSUANCE OF
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THE PERMIT AND AT THIS JUNCTURE WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE EXTENSION TO HAVE THAT PERMIT ISSUED.>> THAT'S THE EXACT QUESTION AND THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP ON PCOMMISSIONER C JOHNSON'S COMMENTARY WE ARE DRILLING INTO THIS WHAT TIMELINE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FOR THE EXTENSION TO GET THE PERMIT ISSUED? SPECIFICALLY.
>> I APOLOGIZE MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THE DEED LANGUAGE IS THE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION SO WHAT WE SHOULD REALLY BE TALKING ABOUT IS THE EXTENSION OF THE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION.
>> WE HAVE A 30 DAY WINDOW OF THE ISSUANCE OF PERMITS ON BACKING THOSE DATES NOW WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR TO GET THE PERMIT ISSUED HOW MUCH TIME ADDITIONAL TIME TO GET THE PERMIT ISSUED BECAUSE THE CLOCK STARTS TICKING ON THE 30 DAYS OF THE COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION USING YOUR WORDS ON THE 30 DAYS WHAT TYPE OF TIMELINE ARE LOOKING TO GET THE PERMIT ISSUED FROM TODAY?
>> WELL, BASED ON THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A HARD NUMBER IF I TELL YOU 60 DAYS THE PERMIT MIGHT NOT BE ISSUED TOUS .
>> I WILL TAKE 120 DAYS. THE PERMIT WILL BE ENHANCED.
>> IT DOESN'T GET ME TO THE POINT THIS COULD TO SATISFY COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON'S CONCERN RELATIVE TO A JANUARY DATE OF THE PERMIT BEING ISSUED.
>> I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU A DATE EITHER.
>> TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING REALISTIC.
> FOR ME FROM YOU AND YOUR EXPERIENCE IS BASICALLY A HARD NUMBER.
>> YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS NOW TO GET YOUR PERMIT ISSUED. YOU'RE IN THE INFANCY OF THAT PROCESS CANDIDLY IF THE PROCESS DOESN'T ISSUE YOUR PERMIT WITHIN THE NEXT 75 DAYS THERE'S SOMETHING SIGNIFICANTLY WRONG ON THE SUBMISSION END. THIS ISN'T A BUILDING DEPARTMENT ISSUE THIS IS A SUBMISSION ISSUE OR A RESPONSE TO COMMENTARY FROM YOUR TEAM TO THE BILLING DEPARTMENT COMING BACK AND SAYING NO WERE REJECTING THE PLAN BECAUSE OF THIS. IF THE VENDOR ENGINEERING ARCHITECT WHATEVER IS THEN TAKING WEEKS TO RESPOND TO THEIR INQUIRY TO GET TO THE NEXT APARTMENT THAT.
LIVES WITH YOU. COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON'S CONCERNS ARE EXTREMELY LEGITIMATE SAYING WE NEED A SPECIFIC TIMELINE YOU ARE SAYING A 30 DAY COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION ISSUANCE OF PERMIT IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR 120 DAYS TO ISSUE THE PERMIT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG. IN MY OPINION. IF YOU'RE ASKING FOR 60 DAYS OKAY THAT'S A BIT OF A CHALLENGE I GET IT.5 DAYS REALISTIC 90 DAYS REALISTIC 120 DAYS I THINK IF YOU STARTED THE PROCESS TODAY YOU BE KICKED OUT OF THE BUILDING.
LONG BEFORE 120 DAYS. I AM SURMISING THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE PLAN OF THE PLANS AND THE DETAIL OF THE PLANS I DON'T KNOW THAT'S NOT MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.
I'M SUGGESTING TO YOU THAT COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON IS TRYING TO COME UP WITH A WORKABLE SCENARIO HERE AND ON WITH HIM ON THIS COMPLETELY WE JUST GOTTA GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK WITH TO SUGGEST THAT, YES, WE WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS AND I'M ON BOARD WITH EXACTLY WHAT HE SAYING IN 120 DAYS BASICALLY ANOTHER 150 DAY EXTENSION I CAN'T BUY INTO THAT. REALISTICALLY IT'S NOVEMBER WHATEVER IT IS.
>> I WILL PUT A SUGGESTION ON THE TABLE THAT YOUR PERMIT BE ISSUED BY THE END OF JANUARY GIVES YOU TWO AND HALF MONTHS TO GET AN YOU'RE ALREADY IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT PROCESS.
>> THE END OF JANUARY BECAUSE ALL OF THESE INDIVIDUALS IN YOUR EXPERIENCE WILL TELL YOU THAT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE. END OF JANUARY.
>> THAT I WILL WAIT FOR ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION THEM.
>> I WOULD SAY THE ONE HER 20 120, I WOULD SAY 90 DAYS.
>> 90 DAYS TO GET THE PERMIT ANOTHER 30 DAYS TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON I WILL THEN DEFER TO YOU WITHOUT A SATISFACTORY TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TODAY?
>> LISTEN, WHATEVER MOTION COMES I'M SAYING THAT'S IT FOR ME.
90 DAYS, 120 DAYS, I AM DONE AT THAT POINT.
>> 120 DAYS AS THE CITY ATTORNEY IS SAYING THAT THE TOTALITY IS 120 DAYS FROM TODAY TO GET SPECIFIC DAYS WERE ACTION DATES DOESN'T MATTER IS 120 DAYS FROM TODAY.
>> FOR COMMENCEMENT OF CONSTRUCTION.
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>> IF YOU DON'T GET INTO THE WEEDS OF WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS DOING.
>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THIS IS ALL GOOD DISCUSSION AND YOU CAN VIEW AS APPLICANTS AND OUR PARTNERS IN THIS YOU ARE HEARING THE ANGST THAT'S HAPPENING THIS WAS THE SAME CONVERSATION WE HAD 150 153 DAYS AGO OR WHATEVER THE MATHIS BACK IN JUNE.AND THIS WAS MY HESITATION AND IT WAS A 4-1 VOTE AND WAS ME BEING THE NO VOTE BECAUSE WHAT I KNOW IS ABOUT PROCESSES AND I UNDERSTAND PROCESSES AND UNDERSTANDING FROM THE CONFIGURATION GOING TO STAND FROM INDUSTRY PERHAPS FOR YOUR DESIGN PROFESSIONAL AND A CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, I STAND ON THE IDEA THAT NOT EVERYBODY CAN DO THAT NOT EVERYBODY CAN DEVELOP LAND THAT EVERYBODY CAN SUBMIT A BID AND SAY WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THIS PROPERTY I'M GOING TO DO THE BEST JOB I CAN AND HOPEFULLY I GET THERE. SO I'M STANDING ON MY INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW IS A PROUD PARTICIPANT OF THE INDUSTRY BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED AND IT TAKES A LOT OF WORK AND IT TAKES A LOT OF GUT WRENCHING EFFORT TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS AND CHALLENGES. SO, THAT BEING SAID LOOKING AT THAT TIME. EXTENSION WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON $4800 WHICH I BELIEVE THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT WAS $4800 FOR THE PROPERTY IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> IT WAS $4800 FOR AVENUE M AND $6200 FOR AVENUE J.
>> SO $11,000 CUMULATIVE SO WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS AND UNDER THESE LIGHTS AND ON CAMERA TALKING ABOUT THIS AND THAT'S WHAT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME BECAUSE WHEN I HAVE AN AGREEMENT AND HAVE A CONTRACT AND THIS IS WHERE WHY I VOTED NO BEFORE IS BECAUSE NO I CAN'T DEFAULT ON THAT LINE. I AM THERE BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE NEW PROCESS THERE STILL A REVERTER IN THE NEW PROCESS SO WE CAN BE HERE WITH 10 MORE INDIVIDUALS WITH THE EXACT SAME CONVERSATION EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A PROCESS. ANYBODY CAN MAKE A REQUEST, ANYBODY.IT COULD BE ONE OF US, RIGHT? SO THOSE ARE MY CHALLENGES AND THOSE ARE MY ISSUES THE SAME FEELING TONIGHT THAT IN JUNE I NEEDED A PLAN READY SUBMISSION AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE YOU WERE IN JUNE AND HEARD YOUR PLEA TO REQUEST I'M JUST I CAN'T BE IN SUPPORT OF ANY EXTENSION AGAIN BECAUSE IT'S COMPLICATED AND IT COULD BE 120 DAYS DOWN THE ROAD FROM TODAY, UNFORTUNATELY. UNFORTUNATELY. SO I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT EVEN IF IT WERE TO BREAK GROUND BEFORE DECEMBER 31 WITH A BUILDING PERMIT IN HAND I STILL CAN'T SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO HOLD THE LINE STUDIED THE LINE AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AND IF I VOTE TO EXTEND IT THAT I'M NOT DOING THAT.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW IT COMES FROM A GOOD PLACE IN A STANDARD OF LIVING OF LOOKING AT THE CITY HOLISTICALLY THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HOLISTICALLY AND THAT'S WHERE COMES FROM FOR ME IS NOTHING PERSONAL IT'S ABOUT ESTABLISHING A RULE AND PROCEDURE AND HOLDING TO IT BECAUSE THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE GIVING S PRESENTATIONS AND APPLICATIONS ALL THE TIME, ALL THE TIME, SO I JUST THINK YOU BUILD A STABLE BASELINE AND STICK TO IT. SO REALLY IS SO I PROMISE TO THE RELATIONSHIPS OUTSIDE, WE DO. AND THIS IS A TOUGH INDUSTRY AND IT'S A TOUGH ROAD WHEN AND I KNOW YOU ARE COMING FROM A GOOD PLACE BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO INVEST AND ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY IN WHICH WE ALL LIVE SO THERE'S THAT PART OF ME, TO, THAT I UNDERSTAND.
THAT'S WHERE I AM AND I WAS GOING BACK THROUGH AND I WROTE ANOTHER NOTE DOWN FROM BEFORE.
LET'S SEE, WE HAD 18 MONTHS ORIGINALLY WE EXTENDED 150 DAYS IS THAT ACCURATE? 18 MONTHS FROM THE ORIGINAL.
>> FROM THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION IT WAS THE 24 MONTHS WE GAVE 24 MONTHS TIMELINE SCHEDULE.
>> THAT WAS TO COMPLETE CONSTRUCTION CERTIFICATION OF CONSTRUCTION?
>> THE PERMITTING AND COMMENCING OF CONSTRUCTION. AS WELL AS ACTUALLY IT WAS TO BE MUCH COMPLETE.
>> I WILL DOWN BECAUSE WITH A VERY LENGTHY CONVERSATION ABOUT 18 MONTHS MAYBE NOT IT WAS JUST
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18 MONTH BEFORE THE ACTIVITY. SO MY OTHER QUESTION TO YOU IS GOING TO BE ON THE FINANCIAL STATUS WHEN I SEE THINGS LIKE THIS HAPPENING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE IN A COMFORTABLE PLACE BECAUSE THE TIME OF NOVEMBER 2021 AND TODAY CONSTRUCTION PRICES YOU CAN TESTIFY TO THIS EXTREMELY HIGH DIFFERENCES IN PERCENTAGE COSTS.SO ARE YOU ABLE TO BUILD THIS PRODUCT WITH WHAT YOUR ORIGINAL BUDGET PROPOSED WORK WITH ANY INCREASES AND IS IN YOUR BANK ACCOUNT SUPPORTED THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION?
>> YES, THE ORIGINAL PRICE THAT WAS QUOTED IN APRIL 2021 WAS TO BUILD IT AT ONE OF 14,000 SO WITH THE INCREASE IN THE INDUSTRY THE PRICING WE ADDED ANOTHER 35 PERCENT TO THAT SO WE ARE AT 156,000 TO BUILD THE MODEL THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED. AND AS FAR AS MY BANK ACCOUNT WITH MY INVESTORS WE ARE JUST WAITING TO MOVE FORWARD FOR AVENUE J WE DID, THANK GOD, GET A WAIVER ON THE IMPACT FEE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PREVIOUS STRUCTURE ON THAT PROPERTY.
THAT PROPERTY ACTUALLY IS COMPRISED OF TWO LOTS AND SO I'VE SUBMITTED PAPERWORK TO SPLIT THOSE LOTS SO THAT LATER AFTER COMPLETION OF THESE TWO PROPERTIES THEN I CAN GO BACK AND BUILD ANOTHER PROPERTY ON THAT ADJACENT LOT. THE SITE PLAN IN AN EFFORT TO POSSIBLY SLIT. EAST OR WEST WHATEVER DIRECTION WE GO BECAUSE THAT ENTIRE BLOCK BETWEEN 14TH STREET AND 15TH STREET IS A PLOT OF LAND THAT JUST VACANT.
SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED THE OWNERS OF THOSE OTHER ADJACENT PLATS.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS THE IMPACT FEES I SAW THE EXEMPTION OF 15,000 SO ONE OF THE PARCELS YET TO PAY THE IMPACT FEE AND WHEN YOU DO NOT.
>> CORRECT.O AVENUE M I ASKED THE MANAGER AT THE COUNTY I SAID WAS THERE A PLAYHOUSE ON IT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT WAIVER AND SO HE SAID UNFORTUNATELY NOTHING WAS THERE. SO WE ARE ABLE TO SAVE FUNDS ON AVENUE J WITH THAT WAIVER OF THE IMPACT FEE.
>> WHAT ARE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS OF THE RESIDENCE PROPOSED?
>> 1200 SQUARE FOOTAGE THREE BEDROOM TWO BATH ONE CAR GARAGE WITH TWO PARKING PLACES.
>> SO, WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE TIME FRAMES WERE WE TALKING ABOUT TIME FRAMES TALKING TO THE COMMISSION NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BOTH LOTS MEETING THE SAME GOAL IS THAT WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT? OKAY. WELL, IF WE ARE TALKING 90 AND 30 DAYS I HEARD C JOHNSON AND JAY JOHNSON WE HAVE A JAY JOHNSON IS NOT FOR ANY EXTENSION AND C JOHNSON IS A DONE WITH WHATEVER AND I THINK I'M WITH C JOHNSON I AM DONE, I AM DONE. THIS IS WHATEVER IT IS THE NEXT TIME DON'T EVEN BOTHER ASKING IT'S JUST REVERTS. IF THAT'S WHAT THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION.
>> I JUST HAVE ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION INTO THE DEVELOPER SO WE JUST ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT BOTH OF THESE PARCELS WE HAVE TWO SEPARATE PARCELS HERE, RIGHT? FOR DEVELOPMENT.
>> THAT IS A 1200 SQUARE-FOOT PROPOSED HOUSE THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED FOR BOTH OF THESE PARTIAL SO THAT'S TWO 1200 SQUARE-FOOT HOUSES THREE BEDROOM TWO BATH ONE CAR GARAGE, RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS THAT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED
TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? >> YES.
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>> SO WE'VE ESTIMATED THAT BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS ARE SOMEWHERE AROUND 300,000 JUST BASED ON THE 156,000 THAT'S WE'RE ESTIMATING THE BUILDING I'M JUST ADDING THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH ABOUT 300,000 FOR THESE TWO PROJECTS, RIGHT? OKAY.
>> SO WHAT WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> I THINK I MADE THE LAST MOTION SO I MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THE ARROWS ON THIS ONE, AS WELL. AND I SAY THIS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT.
I AM IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBER THAT IF THESE DATES ARE NOT THAT I AM DONE. SO I THINK YOU HAVE HEARD ONE COMMISSIONERS ALREADY DONE YOU HAVE THE BALANCE OF THEM THAT ARE SAYING THERE IS NOTHING AFTER THIS.
AND THE TIMELINES WE WERE DISCUSSING REFRESH MY MEMORY 90 DAYS PERMITTING 30 DAYS FOR CONSTRUCTION TO COMMENCE TOTAL OF 120 DAY EXTENSION FROM TODAY.
I WOULD MOVE TO GRANT ONE UNDER 20 DAY EXTENSION COMMENCING TOMORROW.
THAT CONSTRUCTION MUST BE COMMENCED WITH THE PERMIT IN HAND BUILDING PERMIT IN HAND.
AND THE REASON I'M QUALIFIED THAT IS I DON'T WANT GEORGE MOVING AROUND THE PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU DON'T NEED THE PERMIT TO DO THAT NECESSARILY CONSTRUCTION COMMENCED WITHIN ONE UNDER 20 DAYS WITH BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED.
>> ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY I THOUGHT YOU WERE WANTING TO SAY SOMETHING.
IF THERE'S NO MORE DISCUSSION LET'S CALL THE ROLE.
>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON >> NO
>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK >> YES
>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON >> YES
>> I HOPE YOU DON'T WE DON'T SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> I WILL SAY I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THE STABLE AGREEMENT THAT IN PLACE IN TERMS OF TIMELINES BECAUSE THEN THAT KEEPS THINGS. FOCUSED ON TRACK SO I'M APPRECIATIVE OF THAT, THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[e. General Contractor Services Agreement for the Exterior Restoration of Old St. Anastasia, Bid No. 2023-037, for the Amount of $588,168.46.]
>> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A GENERAL CONTRACTOR SERVICES AGREEMENT FOR THE EXTERIOR ROSTER IS RESTORATION OF OLD SAINT ANASTASIA FOR THE AMOUNT OF $588,168.46.
>> MR. MS. MAYOR OF LIKE TO HAVE THIS HOLD THE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED AS FAR AS LEGAL REVIEW THIS WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA WITH HOPES THAT THE LEGAL REVIEW WOULD BE COMPLETED BUT IT IS NOT.O WE CANNOT REVIEW OR CONSIDER THIS FOR
APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> WHAT IS THE ACTION DO WE POSTPONE IT TO THE NEXT MEETIN ?
>> POSTPONE TO THE NEXT MEETING.
>> I WOULD POSTPONE IT BUT MY QUESTION I'M SORRY MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH IF.
IT'S THE SAME BUILDING, RIGHT?
>> I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO THE OUTSIDE IS THAT RIGHT, MR. MIMS?
>> MY QUESTION IS THIS WE ARE ABOUT TO SPEND $588,000 TO DO THE OUTSIDE WHAT WE ABOUT TO ENTERTAIN A BID FOR SOMEBODY TO COME IN AND TAKE OVER THE BUILDING OR TRY TO TO THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING POSSIBLY TAKE OVER THE PROPERTY. RIGHT? SO IF THAT'S THE CASE WHY WOULD WE SPEND 580,000 DOLLARS TO THE OUTSIDE WHEN SOMEONE WANTS TO DO IT?
>> WE ARE PUSHING IT FOR A MONTH.
>> I KNOW WERE NOT PULLING IT BUT IT'S COMING BACK. BUT THE NEXT ONE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PROPERTY. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ONE YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
>> I WOULD COMMENT ON THAT, COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU MADE A VERY SALIENT POINT IS A
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VALUATION ISSUE HERE TO SAY PROPERTY GOES OUT FOR RFP AND IT COMES IN A NOMINAL AMOUNT IN THE RFP PROCESS THROUGH RENOVATION WE INVESTED $588,000 IF THE BURDEN SHIFTED TO THE APPLICANT WHO WON THE RFP IN ESSENCE WE HAVE JUST GENERATED 588,000 DOLLARS OF VALUE TO THE CITY FOR PEERS UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. SO I'M AGREEING WITH YOU.I KNOW I HAVE IT IN MY OWN WAY.
>> LET'S DO THIS WAS GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT LET'S PULL IT AND GO TO F AND C WHAT F IS TALKING ABOUT AND I CAN COME BACK.
>> IT IS E. >> WE WOULD LIKE TO POSTPONE THAT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND THAT WILL HOPEFULLY GIVE US SUFFICIENT TIME FOR LEGAL REVIEW.
>> I MOVE WE POSTPONE ITEM 8E TO THE DECEMBER FPRA MEETING.
>> ANY DISCUSSION CALL THE ROLE, PLEASE.
>> COMMISSIONER GAINES >> YES, MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON >> YES, MA'AM
>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON >> YES
>> COMMISSIONER HUDSON >> YES, MA'AM.
>> FOR TWO YEARS I DON'T TALK ABOUT MONEY THE FIRST TIME I ASK ABOUT MONEY EVERYONE JUMP
[f. Discussion and direction regarding the Unsolicited Development Proposal submitted by ACCEL Schools and TechnoArts Academy for the purchase and redevelopment of Old St. Anastasia School]
ON ME.>> DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING THE UNSOLICITED DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL SUBMITTED BY ACCEL SCHOOLS IN A TECHNICAL ARTS ACADEMY FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF OLD SYNESTHESIA SCHOOL.
>> MANAGEMENT MAYOR AND MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WEEK THE CITY AND THE FPR A AND MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD HAVE RECEIVED COPIES OF A PROPOSAL FOR THE POSSIBLE REHABILITATION AND OCCUPATION AND UTILIZATION OF THE BUILDING WE OFFICIALLY CALLED THE OLD SAINT ANASTASIA SCHOOL IT'S VERY NICE. HOWEVER, WHAT THIS DOES IS SHOW THAT THERE IS A COMMUNITY INTEREST IN THE POSSIBILITY OF UTILIZING AND OCCUPYING THE STRUCTURE.T THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO GAUGE YOUR INTEREST IN MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ADVERTISED MEANT OF ANOTHER BID OR RFP FOR VENDOR SERVICES TO UTILIZE OR REHABILITATE THE INTERIOR OF THIS FACILITY AND ALSO THE LAND ASSOCIATED. NOW THERE ARE SEVERAL VARIATIONS WITH REGARD TO THIS PROPERTY. WE CAN LOOK AT THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF AND ONE ACCOMPANYING LOT FOR THE BUILDING AND THE ENTIRE PLOT OF LAND.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOWS SIGNIFICANT INTEREST AND IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD I BELIEVE WE CAN GET THIS DONE IN A RATHER QUICK FASHION AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT OF AN RFP FOR THE PURPOSE OF REHABILITATING AND UTILIZING THIS FACILITY BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL TO DISCERN IF THERE'S INTEREST TO DO SO.
>> THANK YOU AND SINCE WE ARE HERE WE HAVE UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF US.ND FOR THE RECORD I HAVE MET WITH THE GROUP. I HAVEN'T MET WITH MULTIPLE GROUPS I HAVE MET WITH MULTIPLE GROUPS THAT ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND AM EXCITED ABOUT THE INTEREST. WHEN YOU RECEIVED AN UNSOLICITED AND I'M GOING TO NEED SOME EITHER LEGAL OR FLORIDA STATUTE UP WITH THIS BECAUSE PROCEDURES I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW AND THE PUBLIC PROCUREMENT PROCESS WHEN WE RECEIVED UNSOLICITED BIDS AND THAT MEANS AND MY QUESTION IS SPECIFIC TO ISN'T THERE AN ADVERTISEMENT PERIOD THAT HAS TO BE ON THE STREET EVEN IF SAY I WANTED TO TAKE THE PROPOSAL TO THE DEPARTMENT TODAY WE HAVE TO PUT THIS ON THE STREET FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME LIKE 30 DAYS? IS THERE A PROCESS FOR THAT?
>> YES, IF THIS CONSIDERED UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL FOR SPECIFIC TYPES OF PROPERTIES AND LAND IN A UTILIZATION LIKE A WASTEWATER TREATMENT FACILITY FOR A UTILITY SYSTEM OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT THIS IS AN HISTORIC BUILDING THAT ON A TRACK OF LAND OWNED BY FPRA THAT WE RETAIN OWNERSHIP OF AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE STATE GUIDELINES FOR UNSOLICITED BIDS COVERS THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY. NOW, WE HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY OVER HERE AND SHE CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT SPECIFIC ANSWER IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR WHAT I BELIEVE THIS SHOWS INTEREST.
>> LET ME BUILD ON BEFORE WE GET TOO DARK AND DEEP INTO THE FLORIDA BECAUSE IT GETS DARK AND DEEP. I AM NOT REALLY SURE I NEED THE ANSWER TONIGHT BUT I APPRECIATE
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YOU DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WILL FIND ME THE ANSWER.BECAUSE YOU'RE GOOD AT WHAT YOU DO. I AM INTERESTED IN THE PROPOSAL THAT IS BEFORE US AND I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING OTHER PROPOSALS TO ANSWER SPECIFICALLY YOUR QUESTION, YES, I DO WANT TO GO TO THE STREET AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE OF MANY, MANY CONVERSATIONS AND I THINK WE CAN HAVE A VERY DIVERSE REALM OF IDEAS AND PROPOSALS COME BACK TO US WHETHER IT DEALS WITH THE VACANT LAND WHICH IS THE BUILDING SPECIFICALLY. AND SO, I THINK NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO SEE WHAT'S OUT THERE.
>> I BELIEVE WITH THE COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON OPINION ON THIS THE ATTORNEY ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS IN THE RFP DESIGN IS IT POSSIBLE THAT APPLICANT A IS SUGGESTING TO DO THE SCHOOL WE WILL TURN INTO A SCHOOL WE WANT TO USE ALL THE ADJACENT LAND TO BUILD X, Y, AND Z. A FINANCIAL CAPABILITY TO EXECUTE ON THE SAME WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IN THE RFP CAN WE DESIGN AND REQUIREMENTS THEY NEED TO STATE YOUR FINANCIAL QUALIFICATIONS TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE ON THIS. INSTEAD OF GETTING INTO THE PROCESS AND SAME, WELL, 180 DAYS LATER WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.
I REALLY WANT TO AVOID THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A COSTLY PROJECT.
NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT THIS IS GOING TO BE A MASSIVE INVESTMENT BY SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING CREATIVE WITH THAT SITE AND THEBUILDING ITSELF . IT'S HISTORICALLY PROTECTED SO THEY CAN'T SO IT'S GONNA WORK WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK BUT THE FINANCIAL QUALIFICATIONS TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE ON THE SCENE OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE TO ME TOWARD AN RFP.
IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOU HAVE THE MONEY I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEY'RE ALL LINED UP I WANT TO SEE THE QUALIFICATIONS IN WRITING AS PART OF THE RFP.
TO ME IS AS IMPORTANT AS TO WHAT THE FUNCTION OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT TO THE RFP PACKAGE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE RESPONSE SAYING HERE IS THE FINANCIAL COMPONENTS THAT WE AREPREPARED TO .
>> THAT WAS SIMPLE WAS THAT I COULD'VE ASKED ONE SIMPLE QUESTION.
WELL I THINK MY POINT HERE GUYS IS ESPECIALLY IN THIS DAY AND AGE WITH INTEREST RATES BOUNCING UP IN THE 7 AND A HALF TO 8 PERCENT RANGE BOND MONEY IS THE SAME THING ETC. IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THE ASK A PROJECT LIKE THIS IS SIGNIFICANT.
I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION THAT SIX MONTH LATER EITHER LOOKING FOR THE CITY TO STAND AND CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO THIS PROCESS OR FOR ITS FAILUR .
I THINK IT'S PART OF OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE OF FRONT THAT THE FINANCIAL QUALIFICATIONS ARE IN PLACE. THAT'S IT.
>> MAMA BEAR, TO BUILD ON THAT IF WE CHANGE THE MOMENTUM. EVEN IN THE UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US AND I APPRECIATE THE PROVIDED SOME OF THAT AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT COMMISSIONER TO INTEGRATE WHAT YOU SAID INTO IF WE DON'T HAVE WHICH I BELIEVE WE DO BUT IN THE PROPOSAL OR IN THE RESPONSES TO THE PROPOSAL REQUEST IT'S EVEN FURTHER TO GO INTO GRANTS OPPORTUNITIES AND OPERATING MONIES AND WHAT KIND OF A FEDERAL OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE BECAUSE OF THIS HISTORIC BUILDING. RIGHT SO THERE'S MANY VENUES EDUCATION RELATED THIS PROBABLY SOMEBODY OUT THERE IF IT'S A HISTORICAL OR CULTURAL THEN THERE ARE THE MONIES OUT THERE. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT JUST AT THEM ALL IN THERE AND LET THE PROPOSERS PROVIDED TO US AND THEN IT GETS EVALUATED.
>> YES I AGREE TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> I'M VERY INTERESTED IN AND I TOO MET WITH THIS PROPOSER AND I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANY OTHER INTEREST I FEEL LIKE THAT THE BUILDING WE HAD THE BUILDING FOR 20 YEARS AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT USE FOR IT BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOVES IT.
BUT WHEN YOU GO TO USE IT YOU REALIZE THE THINGS THAT NEED TO HAPPEN BEFORE YOU CAN USE IT IN THE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD FIT FOR ME BUT BECAUSE IT WAS A SCHOOL AT ONE TIME.
BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FOUR GOING TO ISSUE AN RFP ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MAYBE MS. HEDGES AND HELP OR MAYBE MR. MIMS WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE IS THAT AN UNFAIR
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ADVANTAGE THAT WE HEAR FROM THAT REPRESENTATIVE TODAY?>> IF THEY SPEAK YOU TONIGHT? I DON'T THINK THAT LISTENING TO THEM IS AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.
I THINK EVERYONE CAN HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID. THE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE WHAT'S IN THE RFP.
>> BECAUSE OF ARGUMENT WITH HER ANYWAY.
>> PROPOSAL IS ALREADY IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. BUT I THINK IT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU DO WANT TO HEAR HER. WHAT I'M HEARING FROM MR. MIMS AS HE IS GOING TO PUT THIS OUT FOR AN RFP AND COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON WE CAN GO OVER THAT STATUTE THERE ARE QUALIFYING PROJECTS AND WHAT IT HAS TO BE TO QUALIFY FOR THE UNSOLICITED PROPOSALS. SO IT'S KIND OF THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
WE ARE GOING TO BE GOING OUT FOR AN RFP SO MAYBE MORE PRUDENT NOT TO HEAR FROM HER JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING OUT FOR AN RFP.
>> THAT'S WHY IN THE INTEREST OF BEING FAIR. COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER GAINES.
>> MADAM CHAIR FORK CLARIFY PURPOSES I HEARD FOR MEMBER GAINS MENTIONED THE EXPENDITURE OF THE PREVIOUS ITEM. THE EXPENDITURE OF THE PREVIOUS ITEM WAS THE DIRECTION FROM THE FPRA BOARD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE METHODOLOGY AND STRATEGY TO IMPROVE THE BUILDING ENVELOPE TO PROTECT THE BUILDING AND HOPEFULLY CREATE SOME SORT OF ACTIVITY AND ENERGY TO LINEUP THAT CORRIDOR, PROTECT THE BUILDING AND MAINTAINING THE INTEGRITY FOR THE FUTURE.
THAT IS WHY WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT RFP. WE HAVE SELECTED A VERY QUALIFIED CONSTRUCTION COMPANY AND WE HAVE ALMOST REACTIVE THE DOCUMENTATION FOR THE ACTUAL GENERAL CONTRACTOR SERVICES. SO THE ENVELOPE AND THE EXTERIOR REHABILITATION WILL NOT BE CONSIDERED IN THE RFP THAT WILL MOVE FORWARD. BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PREVIOUS DIRECTION.
>> THE EXTERIOR REHABILITATION OF THE BUILDING SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED IN THE RFP AS WE MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US A DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS EXPENDITURE AND THESE SERVICES FOR THE EXTERIORREHABILITATION .
>> MADAM CHAIR, IN THE THINKING THIS FURTHER THROUGH WITH MY COMMENTS PREVIOUSLY AND COMMISSIONER GAINES COMMENTS I THINK WE STILL NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT FROM A PRESERVATION OF THE ASSET SCENARIO.
>> THAT'S THE WAY YOU COUCHED IT.
>> I'M AGREEING WITH HIM AND THAT PERSPECTIVE WE HAVEN'T RESPONSIBLY TO MAINTAIN THAT ASSET IN THIS RV PROJECT COULD TAKE A SIGNIFICANT METHOD TIME WHILE THAT AS IT CONTINUES TO DETERIORATE WITH THE OTHER PORTION OF THE ASSESSMENT STUDY COULD BECOME A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE RFP PROCESS BECAUSE THAT CONTRACT IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY IS ALSO AN ASSESSMENT OF STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY JEOPARDY.
AND THAT COULD BECOME CRITICAL COMPONENT TO ANYONE DURING OUR FEE.
SO GOING TO SUGGEST COMMISSIONER GAINES I WILL RETRACT MY PRIOR STATEMENT RELATIVE TO KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AND SUGGESTING THAT ONCE LEGAL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT IN AN EFFORT TO MAINTAIN THE ASSET AND MORE IMPORTANTLY DETERMINE THE ISSUES WITH THE ASSET THAT THIS WILL PAINT THE FULL PICTURE AND I THINK IT'S INFORMATION WE ARE GOING TO NEED IN THE RFP PROCESS WILL NEED IT, AS WELL.
I WAS JUST WE DEAL WITH THAT AND IN NO WAY DEALING WITH THE IN DECEMBER THOSE ARE JUST MY THOUGHTS ABOUT BEFORE.
>> MADAM CHAIR, MY QUESTION TO STEP MR. MIMS, YOUR APPROXIMATE TIMELINE ON AN RFP GETTING OUT TO THE STREETS ON THIS PERSPECTIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY.
>> ALL RIGHT FAIR ENOUGH AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ANTICIPATING. I GUESS COMMISSIONER BRODERICK WE ARE TALKING BASICALLY THREE MONTHS FROM NOW HAVING SOMETHING ON THE STREET GETTING THE PROCESS AND THAT CONCLUDES STUFF COMES BACK. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT BOTH
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SITUATIONS BECAUSE COMMISSIONER GAINES I THINK MAKES A VALID POINT THAT YES WE GET STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT THE COMPANY WAS GOING TO DO IF THEY WERE GOING TO SCRAPE LEAD PAINT OR WHATEVER WHEN IT COMES TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE ACTUAL BUILDING AND RESTORING THAT SO I WILL WAY THAT VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A PERSON OR ENTITY THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN TAKING ON THIS PROJECT THAT MAY ALIGN WITH WHAT THEY MAY HAVE TO DO OR WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY OR IT MAY TOTALLY BE AN OPPOSITE OF THAT, RIGHT?SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S IN MY MIND RIGHT NOW AND I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE DID VOTE TO SUPPORT THE BUILDING AND I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO GET A GOOD SOUND UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE IF THERE ARE SOME STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY ISSUES I WOULD THINK THAT ANY PERSON THAT WOULD WANT TO COME IN AND INVEST THEIR MONIES WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A SAMPLE SOLID BUILDING THAT AT LEAST FROM A STRUCTURAL STANDPOINT THAT IS SUPPORTED AND THEY CAN GO FROM THERE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. I'M HEARING BOTH SO I GUESS WE WILL GET SOME FEEDBACK IN DECEMBER ON THIS 588,000 AND EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS FROM LEGAL.AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE FROM THAT AND BY THAT TIME THE RFP AGREEMENT WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, FINANCIAL DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU CAN DO THIS PROJECT AND IT'S VALIDATED AND NOTARIZED AND SIGNED OFF THAT THESE MONIES ARE THERE IN PRESENT TO MOVE FORWARD THERE ARE LINES OF CREDIT OR WHATEVER IT IS BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO COME BACK AND SAY WE DON'T HAVE ANY I AM JUST DONE.I AM DONE. I AM DONE.>> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON, I WOULD ADD A FOLLOW-UP COMMENT TO MY PRIOR COMMENT YOU EXPANDED ON I AM NOT WALKING AWAY FROM 600 K 600 K IS A VALUE ADD SO IN THE RFP PROCESS WE WERE COMING IN AND SAY WITH A DOLLAR OR $10 FOR THE PROPERTY YOU MUST ONLY GET 610 SIX 2010. I'M NOT LOOKING THERE JUST TO SAY THE MONEY IS GONE SEEM TO VALUE ADD MATTER WAS GOING TO BE WALKING IN ON THIS AT 600 K COMES INTO MY MIND INSTANTLY.
>> I WANT TO SAY BECAUSE I KNOW YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON IT AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE BUDGET CONVERSATION SUPPORTIVE IN MY COMMENT WAS TO BE THE VALUE ADD BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WITHOUT RECEIVING PROPOSALS IF THAT 588,000 IS PART OF AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL GRANT MONIES, ADDITIONAL SUPPORT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PARTNERSHIP THAT IF A PROPOSER COMES IN AND SAYS WELL YOU GUYS ARE INVESTING IN THIS YOU. IN THE ROOF, THE WINDOWS NOW ARE DOING EXOSKELETON WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THAT. OF COURSE WERE TO SAY IT.
ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS MIGHT BE TO ADVANTAGE IN WITH YOU, COMMISSIONERS, THAT'S A VALUE ADDED. LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE SEAS WERE SITTING IN ITS VALUE ADD.
WE ARE INVESTING WE EXPECT THE SAME INVESTMENT BACK. AND I THINK IS GOING TO BE A LEVERAGE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I REALLY DO. THAT'S WHEN GOING WITH THAT.
>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. > I HAVE HEARD EVERYBODY SO I'M HEARING TWO THINGS NOW. WE ARE ON ITEM F. I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S IN MY PACKAGE WHEN I TALKED TO THE DEVELOPERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME INTO THE SCHOOL.
BUT THERE WAS AN INSPECTION OF THAT BUILDING BECAUSE THEY HAD AN EXPERT COME IN AND THEY WENT INSIDE THE BUILDING BECAUSE I REMEMBER WELL BECAUSE I'M NOT GONNA CALL HER NAME BUT I KNOW ONE OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES GOT CHASED OUT BY SOME VISITORS THAT DAY AND SO I THINK THAT THE EXPERTS THAT HAVE WENT IN TO THE BUILDING HAS ALREADY TALKED ABOUT I'M NOT GOING TO MESS WITH HER SUGAR ME LATER THAT THEY ALREADY KNOW THE INTEGRITY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REPORT HAS BEEN COMMITTED TO US BUT I KNOW THE I REMEMBER THE EMAIL WHEN IT WAS DONE AND WHEN THEY WENT IN TO SEE WHERE NEEDED TO THE BUILDING SO THAT'S THE FIRST PART. I KNOW THAT 588,000 THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT THAT WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THAT WAS INCLUDED WITH THE INSPECTION OR THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER ALREADY FOR THEM TO DO IT AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING
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THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE. SO THAT'S THE ONE THING. FOR THIS SCHOOL THEY HAD THE EXPERT GO OUT AND CHECK THE BUILDING AND DO AN INSPECTION ON THE BUILDING.>> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THIS.
>> SO NO ONE WENT TO THAT BUILDING?
>> WE HAD PLENTY OF PEOPLE GO TO THE BUILDING, SIR.
>> THE EXPERT I GOT THE EMAIL THEY BROUGHT IN AN EXPERT TO GO IN AND DETERMINE THE INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING. EVERYBODY LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M CRAZY, THAT'S FINE, I KNOW WHAT I READ. THE SECOND CASE IS THIS SO NOW I'M HEARING WE HAVE AN UNSOLICITED BID, RIGHT? NOW THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO PAY 588,000 DOLLARS.
>> AGREES WE VOTED, VOTED TO VOTE FOR THIS NUMBER. 588,000.
>> WE TALKED ABOUT IN DECEMBER.
>> THE NUMBER IS WE TALKED ABOUT IN DECEMBER WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT IS THAT WHATEVER RFP HAS GONE OUT FOR IS GOING OUT IS NOW GOING TO BE AT LEAST THAT AMOUNT MONEY OUT.
THAT'S WHAT I JUST HEARD TONIGHT. SO NOW IF WE SAY THAT TONIGHT AFTER WE HAVE GONE AN UNSOLICITED BID.THAT'S WHAT I JUST HEARD TONIGHT WHATEVER IT ISIT'S NOT GOING TO BE A DOLLAR IS GOING TO BE 600,000 . IS THAT NOT WHAT I JUST HEARD?
>> I'M JUST SAYING SO ARE RENOWNED WE HAVE TAKEN WERE TAKEN AS UNSOLICITED BID WE GOT THIS UNSOLICITED THAT NOW GOING TO RFP SO THIS RFP CAN GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO START IT AT THE 580 846 AND OR WHATEVER HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT?
>> I'M SUGGESTING THE RFP WANT TO SOLICIT BIDS LIKELY WITH FINANCIAL DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO THE DISCUSSION FORMAT ALL I'M SAYING COMMISSIONER'S I WILL REMEMBER THIS DISCUSSION SINGLY THAT THE CITY IS SPENDING $6000 FOR THE INVESTIGATION OF THE BUILDING YOU CAN DO A VISUAL INSPECTION COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON AND SPEAK VOLUMES TO THIS IS THE INVESTIGATION WE ARE GOING TO DO IS DESTRUCTIVE AND RECONSTRUCTION OF THE POST AND MITIGATION ITS EXTENSIVE PROCESS NOT THE AUTHOR TO SAY WE HAVE SOME BROADER THEMES IS A WHOLESALE FENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE BILLING BECAUSE IT IS PROTECTED THE WORKER CAN UNDERTAKE IS GOING TO REQUIRE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR THIS. IT'S IRRELEVANT IF IT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED BY THE CITY FOR THE BASIS LOOKING FOR FOR THE LONG-TERM OR AN RFP IT'S EITHER OR.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY MY ONLY CONCERN IS FOR PUTTING THIS OFFER RFP I HEARD TONIGHT THAT WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT HAVE INTEREST IN THIS BUILDING OR WHAT I ASKED THE CITY TO PAY FOR $600,000 WHEN I GOT PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS BUILDING THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT THEY NEED TO COME IN AND TAKE CARE OF THE AND PUT IT BACK LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO DO. THAT'S THE QUESTION I'M ASKING. THE ONLY QUESTION ASKING.
>> MADAM MAYOR, BRUCE HER PERSHING, COMMISSIONER, I GUESS THE WAY I THINK OF IT AS IN THE EVALUATION PROCESS I'M GOING TO CONSIDER ANYBODY THAT RECOGNIZES OUR INVESTMENT AND IF THEY RECOGNIZE THAT INVESTMENT BUT RECOGNIZE ALL THE RFPS THAT ARE CONSIDERED BUT THEY AS A PROPOSER IN WHATEVER FIT AND FORMAT THAT THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT ON THIS PROPERTY THEY ARE GOING TO RECOGNIZE OUR INVESTMENT AND THE BUT RECOGNIZE THAT I DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THAT KIND OF MONEY ON THIS HOWEVER THEY MIGHT SAY IN THEIR PROPOSAL IN LIEU OF BECAUSE YOU DID THIS EXPENSE I CANNOT TAKE THIS MONEY AND BUILD X, Y, AND Z WHICH IS WHAT I WILL HAVE A GREATER RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT GREATER ECONOMIC IMPACT CRATER WHATEVER. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN 100 PERCENT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY I GUESS I AIR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION SIGN THAT SAYS WHAT IF THE RFPS DON'T MEET THE STANDARD WE ARE LOOKING FOR AND NOW WE HAVE GOT THE BUILDING THAT'S GOING ANOTHER SIX MONTHS WITHOUT BEING TOUCHED?
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>> I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I CAN GO WITH THAT BUT THAT QUESTION WAS ASKED BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ASKED IF THEY SAID WHEN THIS IS RFP GO OUT AND WE ARE TALKING AND YOU SAID EARLY JANUARY? FIRST QUARTER.
>> FIRST QUARTER 2024 YES, SIR.
>> I AM A BEATING A DEAD HORSE.
>> WHAT I THINK IS WE ARE PROTECTING OUR ASSET WE DON'T KNOW AT THE END OF THE RFP PROCESS DON'T KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE.
>> BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD SITUATIONS WHERE WE ENDED UP NOT PICKING ANYBODY.
AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE HISTORIC REGISTER. THERE IS A DECISION I THINK THERE'S A CONSENSUS FOR RFP PROCESS IS THAT RIGHT?
>> MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S OT, THE ITEM UP IS THAT THE DISCUSSION REGARDING THE UNSOLICITED DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL WE KIND OF GOT OFF OF THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE THEY SAID WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY MAKE THE DECISION TO PUT IT OUT FOR RFP.
BUT THE ITEM SAYS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL.
SO IT'S LIKE APPLES AND ORANGES TO ME IS WE'RE SUPPOSED BE DISCUSSING A REDESIGN HEY WERE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSAL. BUT OUT FOR RFP IS THAT WHAT WE ARE SAYING? BECAUSE THAT'S DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION.
>> MADAM CHAIR, THAT'S A VERY CLEAR QUESTION THINK THIS COMES TO A LEGAL MATTER AT THIS POINT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THE REASON WE STARTED THE DISCUSSION FOR THE RFP WAS BECAUSE I THOUGHT I HEARD THE CITY MANAGER SAID WE NEEDED TO PUT THIS OUT AND NOT DEAL WITH THE UNSOLICITED WE NEED TO PUT IT OUT WE HAVE TO PUT OUT FOR PEOPLE TO WE RECEIVED AND ACCEPTED BUT THERE SOME ILLEGAL STUFF. LEGAL STUFF.
>> IF I COULD WAIT AND IF I COULD, COMMISSIONER, TO ANSWER YOURS QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ON WHAT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE ACCEL SCHOOL AND TECH ARTS ACADEMY TO BE THE CATALYST TO MOVE US IN THE NEXT LEVEL OF DISCUSSION. THANK YOU AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE THAT I'VE MET WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE TOLD YOU ABOUT THAT ARE INTERESTED.
MY PERSONAL OPINION AND FAIRNESS TO THE PUBLIC AND THE FAIRNESS OF OUR POSITIONS AND WHAT WE SHOULD DO TO GIVE EVERYONE AN EQUAL SHOT TALKED ABOUT AN RFP AND PUT IT ON THE STREET. THAT'S FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.
>> THAT IS CLEAR ON JUST READING WHAT IT SAYS AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND THEN WE WENT STRAIGHT TO YOU ASKING THE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RFP THAT WE JUMPED ON RFP AND THEN I JUMPED BACK IN TO E WHICH CITY MANAGER OVER HERE LOOKING AT ME I PUT IT OFF THE AGENDA.UST TO BE FAIR FOR EVERYONE THAT'S COMING THEY ARE HERE SHE IS READY TO DISCUSS HER PROPOSAL.
WE HAVE MADE A DECISION THAT WE DISCUSSED IT THANK YOU FOR COMING WE GOT IT BUT IT'S BASED ON WHAT WE FEEL WE NEED TO PUT OUT FOR RFP.
>> MADAM CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD I BELIEVE THAT THE STAFF THAT COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON IS REFERRING TO IS--THERE SOME QUALIFYING PROJECTS THAT HAVE QUALIFIED FOR UNSOLICITED THAT INCLUDES A FACILITY ORPROJECT THAT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE , IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO EQUIPMENT FOR BUILDING THAT WILL BE PRINCIPALLY USED BY A PUBLIC ENTITY OR THE PUBLIC AT LARGE, WATER, WASTEWATER OR SURFACE WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES.
SO THE CLOSEST THAT THIS MIGHT QUALIFY FOR IS A FACILITY OR PROJECT THAT SERVES A PUBLIC PURPOSE. FROM MY QUICK REVIEW OF WHAT IS SUBMITTED BELIEVE THIS IS A PRIVATE SCHOOL . SO WHAT THAT STATUTE THEN SAYS IS THAT ONE OF THE EXAMPLES IS A PUBLIC EDUCATION INSTITUTE SO SINCE THIS IS A PRIVATE EDUCATIONAL FACILITY I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD QUALIFY AS A QUALIFIED PROJECT UNDER THAT STATUTE BUT HAVE NOT GIVEN IT A FULL REVIEW AS WE HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE.
>> SO EITHER WAY WE HAVE TO HAVE FAIRNESS BECAUSE EITHER WAY WE HAVE TO HAVE FAIRNESS
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FOR ALL THE PEOPLE BECAUSE EVEN WITH AN UNSOLICITED DON'T WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR OTHER PROPOSALS EVEN WITH UNSOLICITED IT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT KIND OF PROCESS BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE A FAIR PROCESS.>> YES, BASICALLY MADAM MAYOR, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WHERE ONCE THE UNSOLICITED BEEN SUBMITTED IT TRIGGERS OTHER ACTION ITEMS WHETHER YOU WANT TO PROCEED OR NOT WE CAN VOTE ON IT BUT TONIGHT I'M VOTING ON LIKE LET'S PROCEED IN MY COLLEAGUES SAY THE SAME THING SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PROPOSAL TRIGGERED SECONDARY ACTION EFFORT AS LONG AS WE WANT TO PROCEED WITH THAT AND I THINK MR. MIMS WAS ASKING THAT EXACT QUESTION DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED IF SO ALL RIGHT LET'S GO FORTH AND DO GOOD.
>> I WANT TO PROCEED, EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE SAME PAGE? IS IT CLEAR, MR. MIMS? ALL RIGHT SO DO WE NEED TO HAVE A FORMAL VOTE OR JUST A CONSENSUS ?
>> MADAM CHAIR I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS AND WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE NEXT RFP BOARD MEETING.
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>> NEXT ITEM IS A LINKIN PARK COMMUNITY POLICING.
>> WE HAVE OUR DEPUTY CHIEF KENNY NOURSE AND HE'S GOING TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY POLICING STRATEGY.
>> HER PAPERWORK IS GOING TO TAKE US ABOUT THREE HOURS TO GET THROUGH.
>> THIS IS BASICALLY IN RESPONSE TO OUR POLICE STRATEGY CORE COMPONENTS FOR THE LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY. ONE THING WE WANT TO REITERATE AS FAR AS LINKIN PARK IS CONCERNED IS OUR MAIN OBJECTIVE IS TO BUILD A COALITION COLLABORATION WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND AND THAT WITHOUT THEIR HELP WITHOUT THEIR SUPPORT AND DEVELOPING A SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMES IN TO HELP THE FEDERAL PROSECUTORS ARE OUR LOCAL AND STATE PARTNERS WITHOUT THIS COLLABORATION NO MATTER WHAT WE DO IT WILL NOT BE SUCCESSFUL. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I REALLY WANT TO REITERATE TO THE COMMUNITY WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND HELP. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE LINKIN PARK STRATEGY, PER SE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO AGAIN REITERATE IS OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE GOT PROGRAMS LIKE OUR COURAGEOUS KIDS OUR BRIDGE HOUSE, OUR SHOT, WE HAD A TRUNK OR TREAT, ARE CITIZENS ACADEMY AND ONE OF THE MOST INTERESTING THINGS THAT REALLY CAME OUT OF OUR COURAGEOUS KIDS PROGRAM IS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT EXPLORERS PROGRAM YOU ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WE INTERVENE IN THEIR LIVES AND NEXT TO COME AND PARTICIPATE IN POLICE ACTIVITIES AND WEAR UNIFORMS BECAUSE THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE WHETHER THE LAW, POLICE WORK OR SO FORTH.RECENTLY, WE UNDERSTOOD WE HAD AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE OF HER STUDENTS FROM COURAGEOUS KIDS WHO ARE NOW EXPLORERS WHICH IS SHOWING THAT IT'S WORKING. , IT'S WORKING, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS WORKING IS NOT AS FAST AS ANY OF US WOULD WANT BUT IT'SGOING FORWARD . OUR LINKIN PARK INITIATIVE THIS IS ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF IT. AGAIN, BRINGS COMMUNITY TOGETHER. OUR ADULTS, OUR YOUTH, OUR CHILDREN IN THESE PROGRAMS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY ARE THE PROGRAMS WE ARE USING EXPRESSLY TO DRAW THESE PEOPLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS OUR CRIME ANALYTIC POLICE INTELLIGENCE DATA INVESTIGATIONS WE USE. ONE OF THE THINGS WERE TRYING TO SEE IN THE 21ST CENTURY WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WAS BEFORE IS THE FAST-PACED DRIVE OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
I HATE TO SAY IT BUT OUR CRIMINALS ARE NOT REMAINING, THEY ARE JUST AS WISE AND SMART BECAUSE THEY HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY TO THEIR ADVANTAGE. THE OLD DAYS OF ROBBING BANKS THEY ARE ROBBING BANKS BY PHONE, COMPUTER AND SO FORTH. SOME OF OUR CRIMES WE ARE SHOOTING TO SEE NOW AS FAR AS EVEN OUR DRUG DEALING AND THINGS OF SUCH NATURE ARE BEING
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DONE THROUGH TECHNOLOGY. IN ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO DO AS FAR AS OUR TECHNOLOGY IS CONCERNED AS WE ARE LOOKING AT STAYING IN THE 21ST CENTURY.BECAUSE THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IF ARE GOING TO BE DEFENDERS OF CRIME.
IF ARE GOING TO HAVE A SAFE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE WEARING MASKS WITH THE GUN IN THEIR HAND AND SAY I CAN IDENTIFY THE BAD GUY. WELL, THE BAD GUY IS NOW ON THE PHONES AND COMPUTERS AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN THE THEY HAVE COMMITTED CRIMES THE CRACKS ARE MUCH MORE DEVASTATING THAN SOMEONE HOLDING UP A THINK. MAJOR, WANT TO TOUCH ON THE CRIME ANALYTIC ASPECT OF IT?
>> WAS THAT A HAND OFF, I THINK IT WAS.
> I AM A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MY HISTORY I HAVE 28 YEARS WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS AND MY PERSPECTIVE IS AN OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO I'M LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST AND THEY DO GREAT WORK AND EXACTLY WHAT THE DEPUTY CHIEF SAID WE ARE TRYING TO MODERNIZE AND MOVE FORWARD AND KEEP UP WITH THE EVER-CHANGING TIMES OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. SO SOME OF THEM TECHNOLOGY IS LACKING AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO WE ARE REVIEWING ALL THE DIFFERENT PROCESSES THEY HAVE, THE SOFTWARE, THE BASIC TOOLS THAT THE DETECTIVES NEED TO INVESTIGATE THE CRIME THAT'S GOING ON.
FOR EXAMPLE, AND AFTER A FEW NOTES DOWN SO I'M JUST DOING THIS FROM MEMORY RIGHT NOW.
BUT, SOFTWARE SUCH AS SOMETHING CALLED PENDANT LAMP FOR EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW DETECTIVES ARE GOING THROUGH TOLL RECORDS BY HAND WHERE AS THE TECHNOLOGY EXISTS NOW THAT EVERYTHING IS PROVIDED TO US THROUGH SUBPOENA AND COURT ORDERS ELECTRONICALLY. THE SOFTWARE CAN SAY WITH THE PUSH OF A BUTTON CAN DO 400 HOURS OF MAN HOURS THERE WAS A DETECTIVE TO GO THROUGH AND POSSIBLY MISS CRITICAL INFORMATION. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS OUT THERE THAT THE TOOLS THAT EXIST OUT THERE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT WOULD ENHANCE OUR POLICING ACTIVITIES AND OUR INVESTIGATIONS INTO LINK THE DIFFERENT CRIMES THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE LINKED BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF FORT PIERCE CRIME DOESN'T JUST EXIST IN FORT PIERCE IT COMES FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND MAY ORIGINATE HERE BUT MAY EXPAND ELSEWHERE, AS WELL. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TRAINED IN THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO KEEP UP WITH MODERN TIMES, AS WELL.
WE CAN REALLY TALK ABOUT THAT IN EVERY ASPECT.
>> GOOD LORD, HE TALKS A LOT. NO, YOU CAN SEE THE EXPERTISE HE BRINGS TO OUR AGENCY AND MOVING FORTH WITH OUR INVESTIGATIONS. ANOTHER THING WE ARE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS THE LINKIN PARK AREA IS ONE THING WE DON'T TALK ABOUT MUCH IS MENTAL HEALTH.
A LOT OF OUR OFFICERS WE ARE DEALING WITH CALLS AND PEOPLE ADDICTED TO DRUGS WHO HAVE MENTAL ISSUES, ALCOHOL WE SEE THAT A LOT WITH OUR HOMELESS POPULATION.WE ARE LOOKING AT PARTNERING WITH THE MOBILE CRISIS UNIT TO HELP US IN THOSE SERVICES BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I THINK I HEARD THE COMMISSION ASK AND THERE YOU ASK THIS IS WHY ARE OUR POLICE OFFICERS RESPONDING TO A MENTAL SITUATION ARE THEY TRYING TO DO SO? WE ARE TRYING, SOMEWHAT, WE HAVE OUR CIC PROGRAM WHICH IS OUR CRITICAL INCIDENT TRAINING WHICH HELPS US DEAL WITH MENTAL ISSUES AND MENTAL PERSONS WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS OR ALCOHOL OR DRUG ABUSE SO WE CAN GET THEM INTO A FACILITY THIS IS SOMETHING I JUST MISREAD THE BOOK THIS HAPPENED NATIONALLY IS NOT JUST IT'S NOT JUST WITHIN FORT PIERCE OR BOUNDARIES ALONG THIS IS A NATIONAL PROBLEM AND I HATE TO SAY IT WE ARE GOING TO SEE IT GET WORSE AS WE GROW WITH THE BEAUTIFUL GROWTH I'M SEEN IN FORT PIERCE R BEAUTIFUL BEACHES AND OUR SUNNY WEATHER WE ARE GOING TO SEE AN INCREASE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT PLANS ON TRYING TO PARTNER WITH OTHER FACILITIES AND AGAIN LIKE THE MOBILE CRISIS TEAM AND SO FORTH TO LOOK FOR ANSWERS. THIS IS AN ANSWER THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY OUR HEALTH PARTNERS OR COMMUNITY HEALTH PARTNERS ARE LOOKING FOR TO COLLABORATE ON IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE THE PROBLEM IS NOT GOING AWAY.
HE JUST BASICALLY ON OUR TECHNOLOGY INTEGRATION AND THE LINCOLN PARK AREA WE GENERALLY WANT TO DEFINITELY IMPROVE THAT AND ONE OF THE THINGS I CONSIDER WITH A SMILE ON HER FACE I'M VERY PROUD OF THE FPRA EVERY PART OF OUR COMMISSIONER PROUD OF THE CITY MANAGER WHO
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UNDERSTOOD THE IMPORTANCE OF US GETTING THOSE COVERT CAMERAS. I SAY AGAIN TO YOU GUYS, THANK YOU. I SAY INTO THE COMMITTEE, THANK YOU.THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE TO FORT PIERCE SOMETHING HAPPENING ALL OVER AMERICA.
CAMERAS WE CANNOT BE EVERYWHERE AT ONCE AND CRIME UNFORTUNATELY IS USUALLY HAPPENED IN A PLACE WHERE WE ARE NOT. AND WITH THE CAMERAS DO IS THEY GIVE US A CHANCE TO HAVE ICE IN LOCATIONS AND AREAS THAT WE NORMALLY DON'THAVE ICE . IT HELPS US TO ASSIST IN THE PROSECUTION WE HAVE A CRIME ON CAMERA WHEN WE CATCH THE BACKYARD WE RECENTLY HAD TWO HIGH-LEVEL CASES GO TO COURT AND BOTH WERE FOUND GUILTY AND BOTH RECEIVED SENTENCES AND THESE WERE YOUNG MEN WHO COMMITTED HOMICIDES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THAT WAS VERY ADVANTAGEOUS BUT THE CAMERA ASPECT HAS BEEN A HUGE GAME CHANGER FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVE HAD ISSUES OF PEOPLE ASKING CERTAIN QUESTIONS ABOUT THEIR RIGHTS AND THE RIGHTS OF THE CAMERA ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE TO REMIND PEOPLE AS YOU LOOK AT THE RING DOORBELL AND ADT THEY ARE EVERYWHERE. SO TECHNICALLY AND AGAIN THAT SOMETHING THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT JUST UNIQUE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT BUT TO OUR EVERYDAY NEIGHBORS GOING FORWARD. OF COURSE, YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH OUR CAMERA SYSTEM AND AGAIN OUR COVERT CAMERAS WE WILL BE USING IN THE SPECIFIED AREAS WE WILL JUST USE THAT FOR NOW. AND AGAIN THE SUCCESS WE ARE HAVING AND AGAIN I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF INVESTMENT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE LINKIN PARK COMMUNITY THAT WE NEED IF ARE GOING TO WIN BACK OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS BASICALLY OUR CONTINUED TRAINING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE ARE CONTINUED TO TEACH OUR OFFICERS DE-ESCALATION TECHNIQUES, CULTURAL COMPETENCY AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THESE ARE IMPORTANT AS OUR OFFICERS AS WE TRY TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP OUR OFFICERS AND THEIR PARTICULAR ZONES AND AREAS SO THEY WILL GET TO KNOW THE NEIGHBORS AND GET TO KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL GET TO KNOW THEM ONE OF THINGS WANT TO DO IS MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES TO GO OUT THERE AND DEAL WITH THE COMMUNITY.
AND UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE PLATES AND DEPREDATION SOME PEOPLE GO THROUGH OR SOME OF WHAT THE DECISIONS WITHIN THE CHIEF ALWAYS SAYS THAT ALWAYS TOUCHES ME IS SHE SWEARS HER OFFICERS AND SHE REMINDS THEM THAT WHEN SOMEONE DOES SOMETHING BAD IT'S NOT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO DO THAT SOMETIMES IT'S FOR A GOOD REASON.
IT'S NOT THE RIGHT REASON BUT IF THEY ARE TRYING TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE OR THEY'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF SOMEONE. SOME DECISIONS AND SOMETIMES SHE ASKED WHEN THE DEALING WITH THESE PEOPLE OUT THERE WAS SOME WAS IN THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. DIVERSITY AND EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S ANOTHER THING WE ARE RECOGNIZING AND LINKIN PARK.
ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO A LAW ENFORCEMENT IS WHERE SEEN A CHANGE IN LANDSCAPE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT IT'S BECOMING A DIVERSE COMMUNITY IN ITSELF AS A WHOLE AND WE WANT TO AT THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE WANT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT TO LOOK LIKE OUR COMMUNITY.
AND I CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH. WE TALK ABOUT CULTURAL COMPETENCE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COMMUNICATION WE LEARN FROM EACH OTHER. I SERVED IN THE MILITARY AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ALWAYS GO ON ABOUT THE MILITARY IS THE DIVERSITY.
THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS CULTURAL ASPECTS I LEARNED WHILE I WAS IN MILITARY AND THE DIFFERENT WAY WHICH IS LEARNING DIFFERENT CULTURES AND THAT WAS DISPLAYED UNIQUE EXPERIENCE IN MY LIFE AND HAS GIVEN ME AN ADVANTAGE WHEN HER MOTHER DEALING WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
UNDERSTAND? LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS OUR EVALUATION FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE THINGS HAT SHE IS PROPOSING AND MR. MIMS I HAVE TO GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR THIS TO SIR WE WANT TO ASK TO HAVE MORE COMMUNITY POLICE INTERACTIONS WANT TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO SAY WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS TO SAY WANT TO GET THE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK ALSO IS WORKING TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT TO TALK LET'S HAVE AN OPEN DIALOGUE BUT LET'S BE TRUTHFUL ABOUT THE DIALOGUE. THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS GOING FORWARD THAT WE WANT TO EMPLOY IN THE LINCOLN PARK DISTRICT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OVER MORE THANHAPPY TO ANSWER .
>> QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER GAINES.
> THANK YOU, CHIEF. I AM GLAD TO HEAR MORE COMMUNITY DIALOGUE AND WE CALL IT THE TOWNHALL MEETING JUST TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE HEAR THEIR CONCERNS BUT I'M
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GLAD THAT YOU SEE IT GOES BOTH WAYS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO HEAR THE OFFICERS SIDE AND YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT THE EXPERIENCE AND ESPECIALLY IN THE LINKIN PARK AREA OF JUST AN OFFICER STOPPING BY THE BASEBALL FIELDS YOU KNOW IT JUST FOR FIVE MINUTES OR TWO MINUTES JUST TO SAY HEY GUYS WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO DO IT MORE OFTEN EVERY TIME THEY ARE OUT THERE IT MATTERS AND THOSE KIDS START TO RECOGNIZE THE FACE WITH A BADGE.I CAN LET YOU KNOW JUST PERSONALLY WE ALREADY STARTED BACK UP WHEN WE HAD THE CHIEF OUT AT THE SOFTBALL PARK THE GIRLS STARTED SAYING WE GOT TO HIT RIGHT NOW OR WE GOT TO FIELD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE DEPUTY OVER THERE IS LOOKING. SOMETIMES HE DOESN'T COME TOO CLOSE TO WHERE THE PRACTICE BUT THEY KNOW HE CAN BE DOWN THERE THEY SEE HIM THEY START WAVING AND I SAID YOU ALWAYS AGAIN BECAUSE UROLOGY PAID ATTENTION BUT THAT JUST A COMMUNICATION WE GOT THE CHIEFTAINS AND WITH OTHER OFFICERS THEY USED TO DO THAT AND COME BY AND EVEN DURING THE FOOTBALL SEASON THEY KNOW THE OFFICERS THERE. SO GOING OUT JUST THINKING THAT SOMETIMES NOT EVEN JUST TALKING MAKING AN APPEARANCE JUST TO SHOW THAT YOU CARE.
WE KNOW YOU CARE BUT JUST LET THE KIDS UNDERSTAND BECAUSE OF THE KIDS START GETTING AN UNDERSTANDING OF THAT WAIT A MINUTE OFFICERS DO CARE IT STARTS GOING UP A LITTLE BIT BUT THE KIDS STARTS GOING DOWN TO THE YOUNGER KIDS AND THAT'S HOW WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR SOMEONE MY AGE OF THE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S AGE WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND I CAN TALK ABOUT HIM BECAUSE THAT'S MY CLASSMATE WE ARE THE SAME AGE WE ARE WE ARE BUT BACK THEN IN THE LINCOLN PARK AREA WE HAVE CERTAIN OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, OFFICERS STRONG, OFFICER GIVES, OFFICER COX, WE HAD A CERTAIN OFFICERS THAT WE KNEW WERE SOME KIND OF WAY WERE ALWAYS AROUND LIKE WHERE DID YOU COME FROM BUT WE KNEW THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT HER CARD AND THEY WERE LIKE IS THAT SAMMY'S BOY AND I'M LIKE NO SIR I PUT MY HEAD DOWN BUT IS THAT JUNIOR IS THAT AND YOU KNOW CURTIS NEVER GOT IN TROUBLE BUT I'M JUST SAYING AND I WOULDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT NICK YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BUT IT MATTERS SO WE CAN GET BACK TO DOING EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING WE KNOW THAT WE PUT A LOT ON YOU GUYS.
YOU GUYS ARE OUT THERE TRYING TO MAKE EVERYBODY SAFE BUT IF YOU GET THOSE 30 SECONDS AND YOU SEE SOME KIDS PLAYING AND YOU GOT TIME TO STOP AND SAY HEY GUYS I'M SO AND SO, INTRODUCE YOURSELF, I AM SO AND SO. TRUST ME, IT MATTERS.
AND THEY ARE GOING TO START PUTTING YOUR FACE IS COOL HE'S WHATEVER AND THEN THEY'RE GOING TO START RESPECTING SAYING HEY YEARS ARE BACK AND THAT'S WHERE IT GOES.
AT THE BASEBALL FIELD I HAVE SEEN IT AND THEY COME IN BOTH PARKS AND DEPUTY CHIEF AND BENEFIT MAYOR ANY GIVEN NIGHT WHEN THE SEASON STARTS FOOTBALL SEASON IS MOSTLY ON SATURDAY SO OF COURSE IT'S CROWDED. BUT HE WILL TELL YOU WHEN THEIR SCHEMES GOING ON AT THAT AREA WITH THOSE TWO BASEBALL FIELDS BUT WE HAVE TWO OR 300 KIDS OUT THERE FROM COUNTING RIGHTS.
WITH HER PARENTS. THERE'S AN AREA WHERE WE CAN START AND JUST GROW JUST ON ANOTHER JUST KEEP ENOUGH AND GET YOUR FACE OUT THERE MORE AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE DRIVING AROUND THE LINKIN PARK AREA OR CONTROL OF THAT AREA I KNOW THEY VISIT IF YOU CAN STOP AND SAY HEY IT GOES A LONG WAY.
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>> CHIEF I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE THINGS AND HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO.
SEEING THE WORK OF COURAGEOUS KIDS AND SEE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.THAT'S RAIN OR SHINE AND I APPLAUD YOU GUYS WHAT YOU DO NOT SEE THOSE CONSISTENCIES IN THE STUFF YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO THE RICH HOUSE, ETC. IT'S PHENOMENAL. A COUPLE THINGS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DIDN'T TOUCH ON IS HOW ARE THE INTERAGENCY WORKINGS GOING BECAUSE WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS NOT JUST THERE IS LINKIN PARK THE GO TO GIFFORD, MARTIN, OKEECHOBEE AND ARE LIVING IN DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES COMING IN HOW IS THAT GOING AND ANYTHING ON THAT ASPECT YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON WITH INTERAGENCY, OUR AGENCY TREASURE COAST AGENCY WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS STUFF.
>> I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IT COULD BE BETTER.
WE ARE LEARNING, WE ARE LEARNING AS YOU JUST SAID BEFORE ONE CRIME IF IT AFFECTS YOUR PEERS YOU KNOW WHAT THE OLD WAYS OF SAYING THEY ARE STARTING TO LEARN CRIMINALS UNDERSTAND THERE ARE NO BORDERS FOR THEM. THERE ARE JURISDICTIONS PERSONALLY COMMITTING A CRIME. SO WERE LEARNING TO WORK TOGETHER BETTER.
WE ARE LEARNING ONE HALF FEEDS THE OTHER IT'S AN INTEGRAL PART ONE THING I CAN SAY AS FAR AS OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS ARE CONCERNED MOST OF OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS HAVE BEEN WITH US THROUGH THICK AND THIN WHICH COMING FROM TAMPA THAT REALLY SURPRISED ME I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT COLLABORATION. WHEREAS WE NEEDED SOMETHING USUALLY THERE FOR US.
AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT LIKE I SAID AS FAR AS OUR LOCAL PARTNERS ARE CONCERNED I THINK AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WE NEED EACH OTHER.
WERE GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT AS THERE'S WANT TO BE A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP'S TERMS OF THE ELECTION YEARS AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS WE LOOK TO THAT POINT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS EARLY ON WE DIDN'T HAVE CITIZENS HERE THAT HAVE COME TO US BECAUSE THE CRIME WAS LABELED IN FORT PIERCE BUT IT'S NOT IN THE CITY BOUNDARIES OF FORT PIERCE IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION WAS OBVIOUSLY IN CHARGE AND IT'S CHALLENGING SOMETIME STEPHEN GET HER OWN CONSTITUENTS TO UNDERSTAND YES YOU HAVE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.
ON THE CITY BOUNDARIES AND THAT JURISDICTION IS THE LEAD AGENCY AND SHALL BE TALKING TO THEM SUPPOSED TO THAT I JUST APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT BUT I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND AS THINGS BEGIN TO COME INTO THE TREASURE COAST AND FEDERAL CASES ETC. ESPECIALLY PARAMOUNT THAT WE CONTINUE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ENGINE HERE THAT IN YOUR REPORT -- HAVE THE NEW PEOPLE COME IN AND SEE THINGS IN A DIFFERENT LENS MAYBE FOSTER SOME DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIPS AND REALLY GET PAST ANY PAST CHALLENGES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THERE THE CRIMINALS ARE GETTING SMARTER BUT I'M CONSTANTLY CHALLENGING THE SERMONS.PEED IS SOMETHING THAT IS SOMETHING ALMOST AS BAD DRIVING THROUGH THESE VERY NARROW STREETS OF THE DID A LOT OF DAMAGE TO PERSONAL PROPERTY GOING INTO PEOPLE'S HOUSES WHEN THE SCARS ARE FLIPPING AND TURNING OVER CONCERNED ABOUT THAT THEY WERE TO WORK TOGETHER TO CONTROL SPEED IN OUR CITY AND THERE ARE CHALLENGES I KNOW THERE IS MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUT THERE'S COMING TO SPEED AND SPEED VIOLATIONS I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT BUT THAT SOMETHING ON MY RADAR I'M CONCERNED THESE CARS ARE VERY POWERFUL AND IS YOUNG PEOPLE ARE PUSHING THEM IN A VERY NARROW CITY STREETS. WE JUST HAD AN INCIDENT LAST NIGHT ON SEAWAY.
SO IT'S NOT JUST LINKIN PARK IT'S ALL OVER FORT PIERCE AND THAT'S A CONCERN OF MINE AND I DIDN'T HEAR THAT IN THEIR YOUR REPORT BUT SOMEHOW I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A SPECIAL TASK FORCE DEALS JUST WITH THE SPEED LIKE YOUR MOTHER UNDERCOVER STUFF YOU GUYS DO BUT SPEED HAS BECOME A CHALLENGE HERE.
>> YES, SIR AS A MATTER FACT WE JUST DID A REPORT ON 29TH STREET WE HAVE USED TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AS FAR AS COMMUNITY POLICING BUREAUS TACTICS IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE EMPLOYED WITH
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TAKE PART OF OUR SQUAD AND TAKE TWO OR THREE THE OFFICERS UNFORTUNATELY WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS TWO. DRAFTING SQUAD WHICH WOULD BE A LOVELY THING TO DO.WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE WE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS JUST YET BUT WE STILL HAVE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND TRAFFIC INVESTIGATORS WHO ARE DEDICATED WHEN THEY COME TO WORK TO THE AREAS SO IF YOU IN ONE AREA WHEN WE NEED THEM IN YOUR AREA.
>> RIGHT I JUST WANTED TO PUBLICLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT BECAUSE IT SEEMS LATELY I'M LOOKING AT AND IT'S A LOT OF SPEED GOING ON AROUND HERE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO, THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON, ANYTHING TO SAY?
>> SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
EVEN LAST NIGHT IN THE INCIDENT I WAS PARKED ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND JUST UTILIZED THE SIDEWALK TO PROCEED TO MY NEXT LOCATION WHICH WAS HOME. BECAUSE IT WAS TRAGIC AND FROM A NOT EVEN A WITNESS I DID NOT WITNESS IT. I WALKED BY THE ACCIDENT YOU CAN TELL WHAT COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON IS TALKING ABOUT RESULTS RELATED TO SPEED OR IN OVERTAKING OR NEGOTIATION IT DID NOT TURN OUT SO HOT UNFORTUNATELY THAT HAPPENS QUITE OFTEN. ANY OF THE ADDITIONAL EFFORTS WITH ICIER OFFICERS PATROLLING AND JUST SITTING QUIETLY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD WHETHER THEY'RE LOOKING OR DOING A REPORT FOR THERE ALSO OBSERVING SPEED I'M APPRECIATIVE BECAUSE IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE I'M JUST THANKFUL FOR WHATEVER THEY DO EACH AND EVERY DAY. ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE TAKEN NOTE OF IN AMERICA IS PROBABLY OTHER PLACES. I STARTED WATCHING MORE AND MORE VIDEOS OF HOW POLICE FORCE LAW ENFORCEMENT INTERACTIONS OCCUR.
I WATCH VIDEOS OF OTHER PLACES THANKFULLY WE ARE NOT ON THOSE VIDEOS BUT HAS TO DO WITH THE AGENCY SPECIFIC. SO THERE ARE VIDEOS THAT HIGHLIGHT LAW ENFORCEMENT IN A POSITIVE LIGHT AND OF COURSE THERE ARE VIDEOS THAT PUT IT IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT.
SO WHEN YOU'RE GIVING YOUR REPORT EARLIER YOU TALKED ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT POPS UP IN MY MIND IMMEDIATELY IS THE MENTAL HEALTH OF THE EMPLOYEE VERSUS RESPONDING TO THE SITUATION. SO WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS DO WE HAVE WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH SPECIFICALLY LAST NIGHT FIRST OFFICER ON THE SCENE SURE THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH THE SITUATION SO HOW DO W DEAL WITH THOSE ?
>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP, COMMISSIONER, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT GOES UNNOTICED IN MY SPEECH. TALK MORE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT TALK MORE ABOUT THE OFFICERS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THE THINGS THAT WE SEE WE PUT IN A DATABASE AND REFILE THEM AWAY BUT EVENTUALLY THAT COMES FORWARD AND WE DO HAVE THESE ISSUES WE HAVEN'T EPA PROGRAM WHICH HELPS AN OFFICER GET IN TOUCH WITH THE PSYCHOLOGICAL COUNSELOR OR PROGRAM OR PSYCHOLOGIST AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH THE PROBLEMS GOING FORWARD.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT AGAIN I HATE TO SAY IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CULTURE WE DO NOT TALK MUCH ABOUT IT. IT'S BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE EVEN BELIEVE OURSELVES WE CAN ENDURE AND IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I REALIZED WHEN I LEFT TAMPA THEY HAD A MANDATORY PROGRAM WHERE THEY SENT THEIR OFFICERS WHO WERE ABOUT TO RETURN TO SPECIAL PROGRAM TO A PSYCHOLOGIST AND YOU DEALT WITH THOSE ISSUES. O ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COME UP THAT SOME OF THE UGLY SITUATIONS AND UGLY SCENES ONE PARTICULAR I THOUGHT I DEALT WITH IT WHEN I WAS A ROOKIE AND HERE IT IS 27 YEARS LATER. IT WAS STILL THERE STILL FRESH IN MY MIND I JUST FILE IT AWAY.
THESE ARE THE PROGRAMS WE ARE TRYING THAT SHE IS TRYING TO GET OUR AGENCIES INVOLVED IN GOING FORWARD AS FAR AS OUR OFFICERS THAT HELP IS CONCERNED.
>> I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE JUST EXTRINSIC MY BRIEF LITTLE WALK BRISK WALK ALIGNED ALONG THE SIDEWALK TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION FOLKS STANDING BY THEN CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON CONTAIN THE SCENE, ETC. ETC. THAT ALL THE SUDDEN I WAS LIKE WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST OFFICER THAT WAS THERE BECAUSE USUALLY YOU WILL BE THE FIRST BEFORE EVEN AT THE FIRE DISTRICT GETS THERE WERE ENT SERVICES. IT HIT ME WHEN I WAS WALKING I WONDER WHERE THAT'S GOING TO COME ALONG IN THE MENTAL HEALTH CAPACITY OF THE EMPLOYEE.
I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT IN WHATEVER PROGRAMS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. I AM FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT
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EXAMPLE IN WHATEVER YOU CAN DO AFTER THE COMMISSION IS READY FOR THE FPRA OR WHATEVER TO MOVE IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION I'M SURE READY TO DO THAT. BUT, THANK YOU.>> A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS FROM MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS DECEIVING THANK YOU DEPUTY CHIEF FOR THE REPORTS. VERY ENLIGHTENING. AND MAJOR, WELCOME, WELCOME TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. ONE OF THE THINGS I PICKED UP ON IN YOUR REPORT AND THIS BODY OF THE CITY COMMISSION HAS BEEN HUGE ADVOCATES OF THE DEPLOYMENT OF YOUR ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS. I'M NOT THE CHECK I HEAR I WILL SAY THAT UPFRONT WHEN I SEE THAT ON ONE OF OUR GENDERS IS ONE THING I HOPE TO IMMEDIATELY REVIEW AND I DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHERE ANYTHING IS LOCATED. THE REASON I BRING THAT UP AS I WOULD LIKE TO REALLY ADVOCATE THOSE PROGRAMS TO BE EXPANDED IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME THAT ONE OF THOSE WORK SMARTER SCENARIOS INSTEAD OF HAVING ICE IN THE FIELD YOUR EYES ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND NOT ONLY IS IT A DETERRENT BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE LOCATED ETC. BUT IT SAVES MANPOWER. ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN THIS DAY AND AGE TO CONSERVE MANPOWER ESPECIALLY WITH THE SHORTAGES IN THE DEPARTMENT AND EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT DEALING WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTY I ASKED HIM BY THE WAY WITH THE SHORTFALL IN STAFFING THEY SAID ABOUT 10 PERCENT IT FALLS RIGHT IN LINE WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.
I GUESS WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT KEEP THOSE INITIATIVES COMING FORWARD I THINK YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FROM THIS BODY OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO GET YOU THE FUNDING GRANTS FOR FUNDING MECHANISMS FOR THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO DEPLOY AND EXPAND ASSISTANCE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. I THINK THE VALUE THAT IS JUST MASSIVE THEY PROBABLY ADDRESSES AND VOLUMES BASED ON HIS NATIONAL RESEARCH SYSTEMS EFFECTIVENESS THEREOF I THINK THE DEPARTMENT FOR YOU DO THIS. EVERY DAY FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING OUT THERE ESPECIALLY IN SOCIETAL TERMS TODAY IT WAS LIKE A LOT DIFFERENT WHEN I WAS A KID.
THAT'S FOR SURE. I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN BURDENS WITH A LOT MORE RESPONSIBILITY AND CRITICISM YOU GUYS CAN'T GET IT RIGHT NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS AND I RESPECT THAT AND I THINK YOUR OFFICERS EVERY TIME I SEE AND MAKE THEM A POINT TO GO AND SEE THEM BACK TO MY PRIMARY POINT CONTINUE TO BRING THAT INFORMATION FORWARD LET'S BEEF UP THOSE SYSTEMS AS MUCH AS WE CAN IT'S A MASSIVE AID TO YOUR DEPARTMENT IT'S A MASSIVE AID TO THE CITY AS A WHOLE AND IS SIMPLY A DETERRENT NOT KNOWING THAT BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING SO I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT WE REALLY WORK TO GET THAT IS MAXED OUT AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.
AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
>> SO ONE OF THE THINGS SINCE I HAVE BEEN HERE ALMOST 11 YEARS NOW.
I FEEL WE HAVE A SAFE FOR LINKIN PARK I FEEL LIKE WE DO I FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CHIEF HAS WORKED ON IN YOUR WORK DONE AND I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE COLLECTION OF PEOPLE AND AGENCIES TRYING TO HELP OUR YOUTH KEEP THEM FROM STRAYING.
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WORKING ON THAT FROM THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, OR SCHOOL SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AND AM I RIGHT THAT MOST OF THE CRIME COMMITTED PERIOD MAYBE AT LINCOLN PARK IS YOUNG MALES 18 TO 24 SOMETHING LIKE THAT?
>> STATISTICALLY, YOU ARE VERY CLOSE IN YOUR NUMBERS.
>> THAT'S KIND OF THE TARGET GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY SOPHISTICATED CRIMINALS WERE JUST GETTING INTO THE CRIMINAL BUSINESS SO AND JUST FEEL LIKE CAN YOU TELL BE STATISTICALLY FOR THE CRIME STATS IMPROVED IN LINKIN PARK?
>> YES, MA'AM. YOU KNOW WHAT I TELL PEOPLE DON'T LIKE USING NUMBERS PER SE BUT I GAUGE THE COMMUNITY BY WHEN I GET OUTTALK TO PEOPLE YO YOUNG MEN I STOPPED AND WE WERE
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TALKING I SAID IT'S BEEN QUITE OVER HERE LATELY SAID WHAT ARE YOU ALL DOING AND I SAID WE ARE DOING OUR JOB IS NOT JUST US IT'S THE COMMUNITY. THE MORE ACTIVE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. CALLING US AND LETTING US KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON.SO WE STAY AHEAD OF CRIME. AGAIN, THE CAMERA SYSTEM IS IN A GOOD VISUAL FOR US TO SAY HEY THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME OF DAY FOR US TO MAKE THE ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION AND THEN MAKE PLANS ON DOING THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION.
SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE COMMUNITY AGAIN BEING ENGAGED. AND JUST TO REITERATE AGAIN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE YOUNG GUYS OUT THERE COMMITTING CRIMES AND I HATE TO DO THIS BUT I THINK IF WERE EVER GOING TO DISSECT THAT AND REACH AND DELVE INTO THE PROBLEM ITSELF WE HAVE TO GO BEYOND WE ARE TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE BROKEN HOMES THE KIDS ARE COMING FROM AN ECONOMIC SITUATION IN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM IS A COMBINATION OF A NEGATIVE EFFECT IN THEIR LIVES WHICH MAKE THEM EASY PICKINGS FOR GANG MEMBERS TO BE SOLICITED BY GANG MEMBERS TO BE INTRODUCED INTO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. LIKE THE CHIEF SAID WHEN A PERSON IS DESPERATE THEY WILL DO ANYTHING. IF YOU BACK IN ANIMAL INTO HORROR BUT WILL LEAD YOU TO GET OUT? I CAN HATE TO USE THE ANALOGY BUT REALLY THINK IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. A LOT OF THESE KIDS ARE COMING FROM SITUATIONS THAT WE COULD NEVER BELIEVE FOR OURSELVES OR OUR FAMILIES.
AND I THINK FOREVER GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF WERE EVER GOING TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY IT'S NOT JUST FOR FORT PIERCE IS FOR THE UNITED STATES ITSELF WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S DRIVING THIS IS NOT AS DIFFICULT OR SCIENTIFIC AS PEOPLE WANT TO BELIEVE.
>> NO, AND WHEN I SERVED ON THE ROUNDTABLE OF THE ROUNDTABLE WAS CONSTANTLY DEALING WITH BECAUSE IT'S SUPPOSED TO DEAL WITH PROBLEMS OF CHILDREN BUT EVERY TIME YOU'RE DEALING WITH PROBLEMS OF CHILDREN IT GOES BACK TO THE HOME. EVERY SINGLE TIME.
AND WHATEVER IS HAPPENING IN THE HOME. I ALSO WANTED TO ASK YOU I'M GLAD TO HEAR ABOUT THE TECHNOLOGY AND I HAVE ONE JURISDICTION I HEARD OF IN THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES I THINK OF SEBASTIAN ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE HELPFUL AS THEY HAVE AN INVENTORY OF EVERY RESIDENT WHO HAS A RING, EVERY RESIDENT.
THEY HAVE AN INVENTORY OF IT. SO THAT THEY CAN GO AND USE ASK FOR THAT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID IT IF THEY WENT THROUGH RING FOR WHATEVER I DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT BUT THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT THERE WAS AN EFFECTIVE CRIME TOOL. AND FOR THE POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS THE POLICE ADVISORY COMMITTEE HELPING ARE THEY BRINGING TO YOUR THE ISSUES OF THE COMMUNITY?
>> YES, MA'AM. I HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS WITH THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY IN THE CHIEF'S POSITION ONE OF THE THINGS THE ADVANTAGES WE HAVE WITH THEM THERE ARE ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY TO BRING BACK THE FEEDBACK OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE PARTICULAR COMMITTEES OR THINGS THEY ARE HEARING, THE COMPLAINTS. IT GIVES US AN ADVANTAGE TO GET US AHEAD OF THINGS AS FAR AS MEETING WITH THEM AND THEN PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION TO US WE CAN TAKE THE NECESSARY ACTION.
>> RIGHT IN A WAY IT SHOULD WORK BUT BECAUSE THEY KNOW MORE ABOUT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAN THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEY CAN BE HELPFUL.
>> IS A BEACON FOR THEM, TOO. THEIR COMMUNITY MEMBERS ALREADY RECOGNIZE THAT IN THEIR INVOLVE THE POLICE. THEY KNOW A LITTLE MORE SO THAT'S A GOOD PERSON TO TALK TO IF I HAVE A CRIMINAL NATURE PROBLEM I WILL DISCUSS IT WITH THEM.
>> RIGHT AND I DO SENSE YOU ARE OUT THERE EVERY DAY I DO SINCE THERE'S MORE TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY ESPECIALLY IN THE LINCOLN PARK AREA WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT COMPARED TO 10 YEARS AGO. I FEEL LIKE THAT BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SCIENTIFIC TO SAY THAT. IT JUST THE INTERACTION I HAVE WITH PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE STRONG I FEEL A STRONG SENSE OF SUPPORT FOR POLICE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND AM VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT BECAUSE EVERY COMMUNITY HAS THAT. I KNOW THAT THAT TAKES HARD WORK.
>> IT'S A PLAYGROUND IN THE 18 YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE I'VE SEEN TREMENDOUS GROWTH.
>> YEAH AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S THE SECRET IT'S WHAT YOU STARTED OFF WITH. THE POLICE FORCE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING, YOU NEED THE COMMUNITY'S COOPERATION AND THE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TRUST YOU SO I THINK WE ARE BUILDING THAT AND KUDOS TO YOU.
>> EXPIRE IT'S THAT SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP IS PARAMOUNT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SUCCESSFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, SUCCESSFUL CITY WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER.
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IT MEANS EVERY ENTITY FROM FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE TO OUR POLICE OFFICERS TO ME AND THE MAJOR AND WITH THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE ARE INVESTED WE SPENT MOST OF OUR TIME DELIVER NOT NOT WITH OUR FAMILIES BUT HERE IN FORT PIERCE.THIS IS BECOME OUR SECONDARY HOME. AND IF WE'RE EVER GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE CRIME AND THE PERCEPTION OF CRIME HERE WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS OUR CITY AND WE ARE NOT KEEPING UP FOR ANYTHING OR ANYBODY INTO THE SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP WILL MOVE ON.
>> RIGHT AND I HEARD THE CHIEF WHEN SHE IS SWORN IN THE CONVERSATION SHE HAS OFFICERS SHE SWEARS AND ENDS TELLS THEM THIS IS A BIG RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TAKE SOMEBODY'S LIBERTY AWAY AND YOU DON'T DO THAT LIGHTLY YOU TAKE THAT VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY AND I'M GLAD THAT SHE DOES THAT BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY NEEDS TO KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING VERY, VERY DROLL AND TO THE POLICE OFFICERS. THAT DO NOT TAKE THIS RESPONSIBILITY LIGHTLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO YOU BE SAFE OUT THERE, BOTH OF YOU. YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? YOU WANT TO SAY LAST ITEM.
[h. 301 South Ocean Drive Discussion]
KIND OF LIKE LAST CALL.>> THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS REQUESTED BY A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD ABOUT THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE FPRA 301 S. OCEAN DRIVE SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE BOARD MEMBER AT THIS TIME.
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH ARE GOING TO TURN OVER HERE FIVE I MET WE ACTUALLY THIS PERSON CAME AND TALKED TO THE DAYS ONE NIGHT BUT ALSO HAD A MEETING WITH THIS RESPECTIVE LAND OWNER AND I ASKED MR. MIMS BASICALLY THE STATUS OF WHERE WE WERE WITH THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL AND PROGRESS SO LET ME TRY TO REFRESH IF YOU DON'T RECALL THIS IS A DEVELOPER THAT HAS I GUESS THE FIRST LEVEL OF THAT WOULD BE MORE OF A RETAIL SPACE AND ABOVE THAT WOULD BE CONDOS AND APARTMENTS ETC. BY THE OCEAN OVER THERE IN THAT PROCESS WAS IN A LITTLE BIT OF A QUAGMIRE FROM WHAT I GATHERED THAT CAME TO MY OFFICE AND BASICALLY TRYING TO JUST DETERMINE WHERE WE IN THE PROCESS OF SAYING GAVE HER NAME TO THE PROJECT I THINK THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING ADEQUACY OF PARKING FOR THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED AND THEN AS I RECALL WE WERE AT A POINT WHERE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY CITY-OWNED PROPERTY AND THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ACTUAL USE OF THE PROPERTY WERE RETAKEN PUBLIC PROPERTY AND ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT PRIVATE ETC.
WE GOT TO A POINT WHEN I HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH MR. MIMS AND I TALKED TO THE ATTORNEY AS WELL WE KIND OF POINTED THIS DOWN THE ROAD BUT WE DID MAKE A DECISION THERE WAS AN ACTUAL WE CAN REALLY DETERMINE SET A TIME WILL COME BACK OUR FINAL RULING WAS RULING AT THAT MEETING WHICH IS BASICALLY DETERMINED THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY. THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE US. SO I JUST WANTED TO TRY TO REFRESH MEMORIES ON THIS AND AMOUNT OF ATTORNEY I THINK WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION SO I'M GOING TO SEE IF YOU VAGUELY RECALL THAT.
> SO I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS MR. MIMS, IF YOU WANT TO REFRESH ME AT LEAST WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT THEY TOOK NO ACTION ON IT AND THEY DETERMINED IT WAS DEAD AT THAT POINT.
>> YOU AS THE FPRA BOARD DECIDED NOT TO PRESENT HIS VISION IS AND SHE WAS THE BOARD IT TOOK THERE'S BEEN NO DETERMINATION OR DIRECTION OF OR FOR THE FUTURE DIRECTIONS FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
[02:35:04]
>> SO THAT WAS SOMETHING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE RECALL THAT THE NO ACTION THAT I KILLED THE WHOLE PROPOSAL FOR THAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT'S WHERE WE WERE BECAUSE THAT WAS MAYBE NOT QUITE MY RECOLLECTION BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION TO SEE IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT.
>> JUST TO MAKE SURE JUST AS THE 301 S. OCEAN WHICH WE ONLY HAD ONE REQUEST ON THE STREET WE HAD ONE SUBMISSION DID WE HAVE TO? IT HAS BEEN THAT LONG NOW SO COMMISSIONER, I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. WE TOOK NO ACTION TO ENGAGE IN OR AUTHORIZE STAFF TO NEGOTIATE INTO THE NEXT STEP THAT'S WHAT WE TOOK NO ACTION.
>> I MADE THE MOTION I REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WAS IT WAS TO NOT TAKE ANY ACTION AND NO FURTHER ACTION AT THAT POINT WAS AUTHORIZED TO COMMENCE.
>> DEAD DEAL, DEAD. THE PROPERTY REMAINS STATIC IN THE POSITION IT IS IN.
>> AND WE TOOK NO ACTION BASED ON WAS AT THE BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE ACTUAL BID THEY BROUGHT FORTH WITH THIS, NO?
>> NO, SIR. THE STAFF CAME FOR RECOGNITION WITH BID AWARD AND YOU DECIDED TO TAKE NO ACTION. WE DID NOT GET TO THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS IT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD PAST THE RECOMMENDATION FOR BID AWARD.
>> MCNAMARA, SO COMMISSIONER, I'M GLAD HE BROUGHT IT FORWARD SO I GUESS THE NEXT SIMPLE QUESTION IS DO WE DO SOMETHING OR DO WE NOT? DO WE PUT IT OUT THERE AGAIN AND TRY IT ONE MORE TIME WE HAVE DONE THIS ON MULTIPLE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE FPRA WE TRIED AND TRIED AND TRIED AGAIN AND SOMETIMES IT WORKS MOST OF THE TIME IT WORKS LET'S PUT IT THIS WEEK MOST OF THE TIME IT WORKS AND SOMETIMES THE OTHER SIDE GETS US ADDITIONAL ACCEPTABLE PROPOSAL.
>> 'S QUESTION RIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A VACANT PARCEL NOW) I WAS TRYING TO RECALL EXACTLY WHAT REALLY GOT TO THE POINT OF NO ACTION I KNOW PARKING AND CONCERNS AND HOW IT WAS SET BACK AND THAT KIND OF COST SOME CHALLENGES AND THERE WAS ALSO SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERED ABOUT PUBLIC ACCESS WITH THIS PROPERTY AND PUBLIC USE OF THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE LAUNCH TO THE FPRA WE ARE MORE OR LESS TAKING IT AND MAKING IT MORE PRIVATE IF WE WOULD HAVE DONE THIS PARTICULAR DEAL BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERSON THAT WOULD HAVE BID TO PURCHASE THE LAND ETC. AND NO IT'S THEIR LAND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ON IT.
>> ONE OF THOSE LEGAL THINGS THAT SAID PRIVATE ACTIVITY BUT THANK YOU FOR MUCH FOR TAKING ON THE LIABILITY TO HAVE A PUBLIC PARKING SPACE.
>> I RECALL IT ESSENTIALLY THERE WAS A LIST OF ISSUES HER .
ONE, THE RFP STRONGLY SUGGESTED THAT THE PUBLIC PARKING COMPONENT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL HAD NO PUBLIC PARKING COMPONENT. NUMBER TWO, IS THAT THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY FPRA FOR CITY OF FORT PIERCE ONE OF THE TWO ENTITIES THAT PARTICULAR PROPOSAL WAS GOING TO VIOLATE SOUTH BEACH OVERLAY WITH HEIGHT.
AND MY CONJECTURE AT THAT TIME WAS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S PRUDENT THAT THE CITY BE THE FIRST ONES TO LIQUIDATE A PIECE OF REAL ESTATE THAT'S IN VIOLATION OF AN EXISTING CODE.
THAT WAS POINT NUMBER TWO. POINT NUMBER THREE, WAS THAT I WAS NOT OF THE FRAME OF MIND TO BE SELLING AN ASSET SUCH AS THAT FOR I BELIEVE $100,000 LESS THAN THE CITY PAID FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO. WHICH WAS WHAT THE OFFER STATED.
AND I HAVE EXPRESSED THAT SPECIFICALLY TO THE APPLICANT SO THEY WERE AWARE OF THAT.
FIVE, THERE WAS ONE ADDITIONAL ISSUE IS THAT WITH THE MULTITUDE OF POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE CORRIDOR FROM WEST OF SQUARE GROUPER TO SELF MURPHY'S OR THE OLD BANK OFFICE BUILDING AND WITH OUR COMMITMENTS THAT WE NEED TO
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HONOR TO OUR COMMERCIAL VENDORS OUT THERE THAT LIQUIDATING THIS ASSET AT THIS TIME AND ILLUMINATING THE PUBLIC PARKING ELEMENT COULD BECOME EXTREMELY AUTOMATIC AS WE MOVE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. SO I SUGGEST THE FOUR PRIMARY ISSUES WERE ALL ECONOMIC OR CODE ISSUES AND THIS WAS A STRATEGIC PLAN THE FIFTH ISSUE WAS A STRATEGIC PLAN TO SUGGEST WE KEEP IT, HOLD IT, MAINTAIN IT FOR ITS EXISTING USE WILL ALL THESE OTHER POTENTIALLY LARGER PIECES FALL INTO PLACE AND WE SEE WHAT THE EFFECTS OF THOSE ARE.KEEP IN MIND THERE'S A POTENTIAL TO LOSE 200 TEMPORARY PARKING SPOTS WEST OF SQUARE GROUPER MY SUGGESTION WAS THE LOSS OF AN ADDITIONAL 53 THAT ARE ACCESSIBLE TO THE ENTIRE AREA COULD CREATE A MASSIVE DEFICIT WE KNOW A DEFICIT ALREADY EXISTS.
I REMEMBER COMMISSIONER JOHNSON BECAUSE I MADE THE MOTION BASED ON ALL OF THOSE UNDERLYING REASONS WE JUST NEED TO BE PATIENT I STILL TAKE THE POSITION.
>> LIKE I SAID I WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND RECOLLECT THAT THAT WAS AN ACTION BY NOT TAKING ACTION THAT WAS THE ACTION AS OPPOSED TO VOTING THE PROJECT UP OR DOWN.
SO THAT'S, OKAY. I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT WE THOUGHT THE DISCUSSION AND WE
MADE OUR COMMENTS, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM?LL RIGHT. SHALL WE MOVE ON?
>> WE ARE ONTO STAFF COMMENTS.
>> MR. MIMS >> NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
[10. BOARD COMMENTS]
>> SHALL WE GO ON TO BOARD COMMENTS? WE ARE AWAITING INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY FARMER RIGHTLY FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO EXTEND FREEBIE AND I REMEMBER THAT RIGHT MR. MIMS?
>> WE HAVE BEEN DEFINED FOR A GRANT FUNDING OPPORTUNITY ALONG WITH THE COUNTY.
FIRST WE NEED TO COMPLETE THE RFP AND ADVERTISE THE RFP FOR A MOBILITY TYPE VENDOR TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES SIMILAR TO FREEBIE. WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF A ONE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM 364 DAY PILOT PROGRAM AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A VENDOR TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FOR A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP. WE DECIDED A COUPLE MONTHS BACK THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE RFP TO ADVERTISE THIS OPPORTUNITY AND SELECT A VENDOR THAT WE COULD HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH MOVING FORWARD AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW WRITING THAT UP.
>> RIGHT WAS THERE DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO EXPAND THE SERVICES.
> YES, AND BUT FIRST WE NEED TO SELECT A VENDOR.
>> THE REASON WE STOPPED IS NOT CORPUS, GULFSTREAM IS AT THE END OF THE FPRA AREA?
>> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I DON'T KNOW BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE AREA IS NOT THE ENTIRE FPRA AREA BUT WE DID TALK ABOUT EXPANDING THE AREA TO NOT ONLY INCLUDE THE FPRA BUT OF THE OTHER AREAS BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT FUNDING MECHANISMS WE ARE FUNDING THAT'S SPECIFICALLY GOING TO COME FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND ALSO FUNDING COMING FROM THE FPRA.
I THINK THAT WORTHLESS ABILITY.
>> THIS MAY BE SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT WILL COME TO PASS EXPANDING THIS.
>> A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS FREEBIE WHEN I WAS TEMPORARILY DISABLED FREEBIE WAS TWO BLOCKS FROM MY HOUSE I LIVED RIGHT DOWN YOU, AS WELL. AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE PROSPECT OF THE EXPANSION OF SERVICES THAT ONLY ON THE BEACH BUT OTHERS IN THE CITY AS WELL THIS NEEDS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO EXPAND THE SERVICES FOR FOLKS THAT REALLY, REALLY NEEDED THIS TYPE OF SERVICE DUE TO LACK OF TRANSPORTATION AND ALSO FOR CONVENIENCE FACTOR IT JUST POINTS TO THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM THAT PEOPLE ARE CLAMORING FOR AND I RESPECT THE PETITION THAT WAS PRESENTED IN THAT REGARD OCEAN VILLAGES
CLAMORING FOR THIS ETC. >> I GOT AN EMAIL FROM OCEAN VILLAGE.
>> IT WOULD BE A HUGE SUCCESS EVEN TO DOWNTOWN MERCHANTS ETC. ALL OVER THE ISLAND IN THE
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CITY. SECONDLY, IS THAT WE EXPERIENCE TONIGHT THE NEGATIVES OF NOT HAVING OUR PREDISPOSED TIMELINE PROGRAM IN PLACE I DO HAVE A SEPARATION BETWEEN TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION FROM KIND OF LIKE BEFORE AND THEN TO AFTER. AND I COMPLETELY RESPECT MR. JOHNSON'S COMMENTS ON THIS AND CLEARLY IN AGREEMENT WITH THEM HAVING THIS HARD DATA IN THERE I THINK THE NEW PROGRAM WE'VE INITIATED IS GOING TO AVOID A LOT OF THIS TYPE OF DISCUSSION AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT CUSTOMER IN MIND AS WE WERE HAVING A DELIBERATIONS AGAIN ON THIS PROJECT OF THE BUILDING RATES PER HOUR EVERYBODY SITTING UP ON THE DAIS IF THIS WAS OUT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR THAT COST MORE FOR THE DELIBERATIONS IN THE VALUE OF THE LAND WAS SOLD FOR. I KNOW I SHOULDN'T THINK THAT. PAST MY MIND.>> YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY.
>> I DECIDED COMMISSIONER GAINES YOU NEED TO INCREASE YOUR HOURLY RATE.
HAVING HAD SAID THAT THE FREEBIE PROGRAM I THINK IS GREAT.
THE PROGRAM WE INITIATED HERE FOR THE DISPOSITION IS A PHENOMENAL PROGRAM I THINK IS GOING TO ELIMINATE A LOT OF THIS GOING FORWARD SO EXCITED TO HAVE THAT MEMORIALIZED.
>> I THINK COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON SET THE DATES ARE GOING TO BE.
>> MY POINT WAS SIMPLY IS I'M SEPARATING THE TWO. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I'M SOFT BECAUSE WE GET THIS EXTENSION THAT CLAIM UNDER THE OLD RULES. THE NEW RULES ARE COMING IN THEIR IRONCLAD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED AND I WILL SHIP MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS POSITION, I AND I AM GOING TO GET A BUMPER STICKER MADE.
>> I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD THAT THIS WASN'T POSSIBLE SOMETHING WAS BEFORE. AND YET. I I AGREE.
ANYTHING ELSE? >> MR. MIMS, REFRESH MY MEMORY IF YOU COULD ON THE BRIGHT LINE REQUEST RFP THAT THEY REQUESTED.THE DATE TO REMEMBER THE DATE?
>> IT IS FOR RESPONSES IS DECEMBER 22.
>> INCORPORATED YOU AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE ALL ELEMENTS OF CITY TRAINING ETC. ETC. ETC. BUT AS A BOARD THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND PROPER FOR US TO DISCUSS THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING AND VOTE ON WHATEVER IT LOOKS LIKE A LETTER IF IT LOOKS LIKE IT IF IT'S A PACKAGE WE NEED TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION PROBABLY IS A BOARD AS A FPRA FOR JUST ELEMENTS EVEN IF MANAGEMENT MAYOR UNANIMOUS THEY ARE -- IF YOU FEEL IT SHOULD BE DONE.
THE INTO OUR MANAGERS BRING HERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPLICANTS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
>> SIR, I WOULD SAY THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE OUR PROPOSAL A PUBLIC FORUM. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CRAFT OR PROPOSAL WITH YOU ALL AN PINDIVIDUAL BASIS AND WE CAN SUBMIT THAT AND LET THEM REVIEW AND DETERMINE HOW THEY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD.
>> I DIDN'T REALLY MEAN THAT PART OF IT I JUST MEAN WITH BOTH HATS ON SUPPORT STRUCTURED THIS IS THE FPRA WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT HOW MUCH WE'VE INVESTED IN THE 22 YEARS IN OUR CITY WE HAVE SPENT SO MANY MILLIONS TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN OUR DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR WE AS A VOTING BODY SAY GOAT CITY OF FORT PIERCE.
>> WE ARE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OR HAVE BEEN.
>> I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THAT IN THERE BUT I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN ELEMENT OF
ADDING TO THE FLAVOR. >> LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM FPRA INSUPPORT OF .
>> BECAUSE WE ARE A DIFFERENT ENTITY EVEN THOUGH WE ARE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BE OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN DIFFERENT MEETINGS.
>> LET'S MAKE A MOTION. ANYWAYS,.
>> LET'S MAKE A FORMALNEXT MEETING.
>> I WILL DO IT RIGHT NOW. WE SUPPORT THE IDEA OF BRINGING BRIGHT LINE TO THE CITY OF FORT
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PIERCE. OUR BOARD STANDS READY TO WORK WITH EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.>> AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE SINCE THE BEGINNING. BECAUSE WE WORKED FOR AN AMTRAK STATION AND FOR A TRY REAL STATION WE HAVE BEEN BEEN THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.