[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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>> OPENING THE FORT PIERCE PLANNING MEETING DECEMBER 11, 2023.
THIS IS THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR. SEEMS LIKE NOT LONG AGO THE
FIRST MEETING OF THE UP OR WHAT HAPPENED? >> BLINKED.
>> SURE DID BLINK. TWO THINGS. I BELIEVE EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE OF THESE IN INSTRUMENTS.
SO WE DON'T GET INTERRUPTED. I'M SURE YOUR PHONE CALL IS IMPORTANT.
IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STAND WITH ME. FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND PJUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU. DECEMBER SEVEN REMEMBER DECEMBER 7.
CONSIDERING PEARL HARBOR. JUST HAD I HATE TO USE THE TERM ANNIVERSARY.
AN ANNIVERSARY YEAR. TRY TO REMEMBER.
IT AN ANNIVERSARY FOR ONE OF REMEMBRANCES. ANYWAYS.
LET'S ALL KEEP OUR COUNTRY REMINDED AS WE SEE. ALL GOING INTO A TOPSY TURN AGAIN LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE. EVERY TIME WE FEEL LIKE SIT BACK AND TAKE A BREATH, PARTICULARLY CONCERNING THE MIDDLE EAST. SOMETHING HAS TO FLARE UP.
I THOUGHT BRIEFLY ABOUT PEARL HARBOR. THE EVENTS OF PEARL HARBOR.
WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE OUR YOUNG HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT. YOU HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY DAUGHTERS GENTLEMEN'S FRIEND IS ON THE GEORGE WASHINGTON.
HE'S BEEN GIVEN A TICKET TO THE MIDDLE EAST. SO HE CAN SIT OUT THERE IN THE WATER AND OBSERVE WHAT'S GOING ON. HOPEFULLY IT DOES NOT GET ANY WORSE THAN IT IS FOR AMERICA.
WITH THAT I'VE LOST MY. THERE WE GO. OKAY.
>> WE WERE EXPECTING MR. EDWARDS, WERE WE NOT? >> YES WE WERE.
>> POSSIBLY SHOW UP BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR IN. WE ARE OKAY THERE.
[5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
HE'S GOT A TOUGH LIFE. OKAY.ENTERTAINMENT MOTION FOR THE MINUTES. >> APPROVAL.
>> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> MS. CARTER. >> MS. CLEMENS.
>> YES. >> CHAIRMAN. >> YES MA'AM.
>> WE ARE IN THE CLEAR. IF NOT ALLOW A MOMENT FOR CONSIDERATION OF ABSENCE.
IF SOMEONE MIGHT BE KIND ENOUGH TO REMIND ME OF THAT. WE WERE SITTING TOO FAR FROM ME.
[a. Final Plat - Bent Creek Parcel C - 5000 Peterson Road]
I'LL FIRST DAY WITH BUSINESS THE FINAL FOR PARCEL C. 500 PETERSON ROAD.[00:05:10]
ALL RIGHT.>> CHAIRMAN. PLANNING BOARD FOR APPLICATION FOR PARCEL C PIERSON ROAD.
APPLICANT A DISTRICT PLANNING GROUP OR PROPERTY'S OWNER ARE LENNAR HOMES LLC.
PARCEL ID SUMMARY REQUEST REVIEW APPLICATION FOR FINAL PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE ONE PARCEL INTO 127 LOTS WITH COORDINATING ROADWAY TRACK AND EASEMENTS. THIS IS THE SITE LOCATION OF THE AREA THAT IS GIVE OR TAKE 25.84 ACRES.
THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND-USE IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THE ZONING IS PD PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE THE ACTUAL PLOT IN QUESTION. THIS WILL BE THE ENTRANCE ON PETERSON.
THE FINAL PLAT FOR SUBDIVISION TITLE BEND CREEK PARCEL C.
APPROVED THE REQUEST AS IT MEETS CRITERIA SPECIAL BY CHAPTER 121 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL STAFF RECOMMENDS ONE CONDITION, APPLICANTS APPLY TO FOR APPROPRIATE SIGNATURES. PLAT RECORDED STATE CLERK OF COURT ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATE STATUTE 177 111.
RECOMMENDATIONS STAFF FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO MOVE THE PROPOSED FINAL PLAT FOR TWO CITY COMMISSION WITH THE ONE CONDITION, ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT PLANNING BOARD TO GIVE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH ALTERNATE CONDITIONS, OR RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NOT HEARING ANY. WE SPOKE BRIEFLY A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
AS WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND IS IN FLOODING ISSUES, WATER DRAINAGE ISSUES IN BEND CREEK FOR SOME TIME. ACTUALLY PROBABLY SENT IT FIRST STARTED SELLING HOUSES.
NOT LONG AGO WE HAD ANOTHER EVENT THAT IT WAS FLOODING INVOLVED.
I'VE DONE A LITTLE DIGGING AROUND ON THAT. SOME OF THAT I BELIEVE IS FROM LACK OF MAINTENANCE. BY THE MASTER BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF ALL DRAINAGE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT STILL IN THE HANDS OF THE DEVELOPER.
PERHAPS THE DEVELOPER BEING HERE TODAY MAY LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT.
I SAW ON THE DOCUMENT MENTION OF A PERMANENT BY ST. LUCIE COUNTY RIVER WATER AUTHORITY THAT HAD EXPIRED THE WAY I READ THE COMMENTS. IT APPEARS AS THOUGH A NEW PERMIT HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR THIS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. I'VE GOT A SECOND PHASE OF A QUESTION REGARDING WHETHER OR NOT A PERMIT EXPIRED AND HOW THAT AFFECTS THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED.
>> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED I DID NOT SEE. I SAW THERE WAS A BUILDING VIOLATION THAT WILL GET HANDLED WHEN IT GOES IN FOR THE BUILDING PERMITS.
THAT'S NOT ATTACHED THE FINAL PLAT. AS FAR AS THE CELL FLORIDA WHEN WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DID PASS ENGINEERING SUBMITTALS IN APPROVALS THAT WOULD BE A PART OF ENGINEERING'S DISCUSSION WITH THEM. I DID NOT SEE IN THE ENGINEERING THOSE COMMENTS. I WILL LET THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THAT.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> NOT RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY.
ALL THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING FOR ANYBODY HERE TODAY THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE. ALWAYS LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPERS FIRST.
IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. IS THERE A SIGNAGE RIGHT THERE?
SIGN IN. >> I WILL DO THAT FIRST.
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>> GOOD MORNING. OR GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS LESLIE OLSON I AM PRINCIPAL WITH DISTRICT PLANNING GROUP RIGHT HERE IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE. OUR ADDRESS IS 130 S. NEW RIVER DRIVE SUITE 202.
I AM HERE TODAY TO REPRESENT LENNAR AS A DEVELOPER OF BEND CREEK AND THIS NEW PHASE FOR ADDITIONAL SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FOR THIS VERY TIGHT HOME MARKET THAT WE ARE IN.
WE HAVE LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND BOTH OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
SO THAT I CAN ADDRESS EACH THOROUGHLY. REGARDING THE BUILDING PERMIT EXPIRATION THAT WAS MENTIONED. I HAVE CALLED BUILDING AND ASKED THEM WHAT BUILDING PERMIT THEY ARE REFERRING TO. YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY BUILDING PERMITS WE HAVE FOR BEND CREEK? IT'S GONNA TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIGGING.
IT'S NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THIS ENTITLEMENT OF PARCEL C. IT'S AN ADVISORY, I WILL COMMIT TO GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF WHATEVER THAT IS. IN ADDITION APPROVAL WE ARE FINE WITH THAT.
AS TO THE FLOODING THAT THIS AREA TENDS TO SEE THOSE ROADS FLOOD A LOT.
IT'S DESIGNED TO DO THAT. THAT'S A WAY THAT STORM WATER IS HANDLED NOW IS THAT THE ROADS ARE INTENDED TO FLOOD AS BACKUP TO THE STORM WATER SYSTEM.
ESPECIALLY SO CLOSE TO FIVE MILE CREEK FOR WHICH BACKS UP QUITE A BIT.
IN ADDITION. THE PARK AREA ADDITION TO THE SOUTH OF THIS PLOT IT WOULD BE NOT JUST A PART FOR BEND CREEK, BUT WE ARE HOPING TO PROVIDE IT TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AS A REGIONAL AMENITY. ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL STORMWATER MEANT TO HANDLE THE FLOODING FROM FIVE MILE CREEK IN THE FUTURE.
IT'S ABOUT HALF DOUG RIGHT NOW.
IT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL STORMWATER CAPACITY FOR THIS AREA AND FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT. THAT IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE. AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND COMPLETE THIS DEVELOPMENT THERE WILL BE EVEN MORE STORMWATER CAPACITY PROVIDED.
>> THE PERIOD I WAS REFERRING TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY RIVER AUTHORITY WATER AUTHORITY PERMIT I BELIEVE I HAVE SO MUCH PAPER HERE. SORRY FOR NOT MARKING THIS KNOWING I WAS IN A SPEAK ON IT. I BELIEVE IT WAS THE PERMIT THAT HAD BEEN ISSUED IN THE PAST FOR ONE OF THE PARCELS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
I ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S BEEN A NEW PERMIT ISSUED FOR THIS PARCEL.
FOR THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM ASSOCIATED FOR THIS PARCEL.
I THINK THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT UTILIZING STREETS CURB TO CURB AS PART OF A DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO MOVE WATER. I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY THAT WE EXPECT THAT WATER TO OVERFLOW ABOVE THE CURBS INTO PEOPLE'S YARDS AND INTO THE ALLEYS BETWEEN THE HOUSES.
THE BEND CREEK MASTER ASSOCIATION PUBLICLY PRODUCED A LETTER AND SEND OUT TO ALL THE RESIDENTS MAKING THE STATEMENT THAT THE SYSTEM IS OPERATING COMPLETELY AS IT WAS INTENDED TO IN THE LAST HEAVY RAINS. AND THAT THE FLOODING WAS. IT'S NOT NORMAL FOR A HOMEOWNER. I DO NOT LIVE IN BANK CREEK. IT'S NOT NORMAL FOR A HOMEOWNERS YARD TO FLOOD DUE TO THE WATER SYSTEM NOT RAINING CORRECTLY.
WHAT WAS DISCOVERED THROUGH ALL OF THIS IS THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF MAINTENANCE ON THE EXISTING SYSTEMS. WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE RESPONSIBILITY NOT STATING THIS AS FACT. I BELIEVE RESPONSIBILITY BEND CREEK MASTER ASSOCIATION
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PERFORM THAT MAINTENANCE. WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, NUMBER ONE I'D LIKE TO BE CERTAIN THAT IF THERE WAS AN INTERRUPTION OF A PERIOD ON EXISTING PROPERTY DEVELOPED PROPERTY THAT WE KNOW ABOUT THAT. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT. IN THE WEATHER OR NOT THAT HAS BEEN RESOLVED.NUMBER TWO I THINK THAT SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WE NEED TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT THE PROCEDURES OF MAINTENANCE THAT'S BEING USED IN THE WATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM TO BE ASSURED THAT IT'S IN THE FUTURE IT'S BEING MAINTAINED AS IT SHOULD. IF WHAT I'M READ TO BELIEVE IN TAKING A WRONG HAD HAPPENED.
TWO OR THREE MAINTENANCE ISSUES. TWO OR THREE LOCATIONS TO MANY OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT IN THE FUTURE THAT THE DEVELOPERS TAKING ANY ACTION THEY NEED TO TAKE TO BE CERTAIN THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WON'T HAPPEN.
WEATHER DRAINAGE IN SOUTH FLORIDA ALWAYS ON EVERYBODY'S TOP OF EVERYBODY'S LIST TO DISCUSS. IT'S BEEN ON THE TOP OF MY LIST FOR A COUPLE YEARS NOW.
I AM INVOLVED IN WATER DRAINAGE POTENTIAL WATER DRAINAGE ISSUES IN A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT IS NOT ASSOCIATION RELATED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN FROM WHERE YOU ARE AT.
WE TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT THE ASSOCIATIONS OF BEND CREEK WOULD TAKE IT SERIOUSLY TOO AND NOT MAKE LIGHT IF THERE IS A PROBLEM THE FIRST THING THERE IS TO STAND UP AND SAY, THERE'S A PROBLEM AND WE FAILED TO ADDRESS IT SOON ENOUGH, AND HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO FIX IT.
RATHER THAN SUGGEST IF I HAVE A BODY OF WATER FLOWING PAST MY BEDROOM WINDOW IT IS NOT NORMALLY THERE, THAT THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
I'M NOT SUGGESTING IN ANY WAY I'M OPPOSED TO MOVING FORWARD ON WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE
TODAY, BY THE WAY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.
>> WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF LENNAR HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH US.
WE HAVE CHRIS AND SHAWN. THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS.
I JUST CHATTED WITH CHRIS BRIEFLY WHEN I WAS HEARING YOUR QUESTIONS.
HE WAS AWARE OF SOMETHING BLOCKING SOME OF THE DRAINAGE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM
HIM HE COULD SPEAK TO IT MORE THOROUGHLY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO.
>> I LIKE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PETERS ROAD TOO.
I THINK THAT'S KIND OF APPEARING IN THE AIR A LITTLE BIT.
HAS IT COME DOWN TO THE SURFACE YET? OR IS IT STILL FLOATING? BAD TERMINOLOGY SINCE WE BEEN TALKING ABOUT STORMWATER. [LAUGHTER]
>> GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. MY NAME'S CHRIS CUTLER WITH LENNAR HOMES.
I COULD DIVE RIGHT INTO THE QUESTION ASKED ABOUT THE DRAINAGE IF YOU LIKE.
>> I WOULD LIKE THAT. >> SO, YEAH HAVE A LARGE RANGE NOT TOO LONG AGO.
WE DID NOTICE THE SYSTEM, THE PIPE THAT INTERCONNECTS THE LAKES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY.
THOSE ARE TYPICALLY FULL OF WATER, RIGHT? THEY ALLOW THE WATER TO FLOW BACK AND FORTH.
INSPECTIONS OF THOSE OBVIOUSLY IS SOMEWHAT HARD BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDERWATER AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS FLOWING PROPERLY. THAT PARTICULAR INSTANCE DID NOTICE WHEN THE RAIN CAME DOWN SO HEAVILY THAT WHEN THE STREET STARTED FLOODING THE NOTICE THE ONE LEG WAS FULL.
THE OTHER ONE WAS EMPTY. WHICH OBVIOUSLY TRIGGERED US TO DO MORE THOROUGH INSPECTIONS.
REALIZE THERE WAS A BLOCKAGE IN THERE. SOME DEBRIS BLOCKED THE LINE.
OVER THE TIME IT HAD BUILT UP. COULD POSSIBLY BE CONSTRUCTION RELATED.
I DON'T REALLY RECALL. WHAT THE SITUATION WAS. THE BLOCKAGE WAS CREATED.
I DON'T KNOW CANNOT SPECIFY. WITHIN HOURS FOR SURE THE WATER WAS TO A NORMAL LEVEL AFTER
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THAT. THEN THE SYSTEM OPERATED LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO ONCE THAT WAS CLEARED UP. MOVING FORWARD OBVIOUSLY LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THOSE LINES STAY CLEAR. PART OF THE HOA MAINTENANCE.>> AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THERE IS A MASTER ASSOCIATION RESPONSIBLE FOR
THERE IS A MASTER ASSOCIATION. LENNAR DOES STILL HAVE A COUPLE MEMBERS ON THE BOARD.
THERE'S ALSO HOMEOWNERS ON THE BOARD AS WELL. MAINTENANCE COMPANY THAT DOES HANDLE THE MAINTENANCE FOR THE ASSOCIATION.
ANYTHING ELSE? >> PETERS ROAD IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO BE BUILT UP?
>> I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER. >> IF YOU'D LIKE TO KEEP GOING. I PUT YOU ON THE SPOT.
TO MY KNOWLEDGE MAYBELLE PETERSON RODE UP TO THE PROPERTY THAT THERE'S PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THERE IS A GAP.
DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT OF THAT PROPERTY. WE WILL PETERSON UP TO WHAT WE HAD CONTROL OVER. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION PART OF THE PLAN AT BEND CREEK WAS PETERS ROAD WOULD BECOME ANOTHER FOR THE COMMUNITY? AM I MISTAKEN THERE?
>> I THINK IT WAS THE COUNTY'S DESIRE. MAYBE SPEAKING SOMETHING I
DON'T KNOW ABOUT. YOU MIGHT KNOW BETTER. >> DON'T NORMALLY DO THAT.
>> WE ARE NOT IN A FIGHT. WE ARE SAFE UP HERE. YES, IT IS BOTH THE CITY AND COUNTY'S DESIRE FOR PETERSON ROAD TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO JENKINS ROAD.
THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL EAST-WEST RELIEVER FOR BOTH THOSE WORDS.
IT IS A PUBLIC ROAD RIGHT IN THROUGH BEND CREEK. WHICH IS WHY IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO THAT PART AS A PUBLIC PARK.
THERE IS PROPERTY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THAT IS NOT UNDER THE CONTROL OF BEND CREEK OR THE COUNTY OR THE CITY. THAT IS NOT RIGHT I GUESS I WOULD SAY FOR THAT TO BE ADDRESSED YET. EVERYBODY WANTED TO HAPPEN.
>> THAT'S WHY I UNDERSTOOD IT.
IT WAS A BIG DISCUSSION HERE IN THIS CHAMBER NOT TO OFF LONG AGO.
THAT IS ALL REPRESENTATIVE ON HOW OLD YOU ARE. I CAN REMEMBER 30 YEARS OLD WAS OLD. NOT SO MUCH ANYMORE.
THERE IS A LIKELY DISCUSSION NOT TOO LONG AGO CONCERNING THE BRIDGE THAT WAS GONNA GO OVER BENT CREEK. THAT WAS GONNA GET BUILT. HOW WHAT WAS GONNA GET PAID FOR. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WERE DONE THROUGH THE CITY BY LENNAR TO MAKE THE SO THAT IT COULD HAPPEN. SHIRLEY DID NOT GO THROUGH ALL
THAT JUST TO GET TO THE PARK. >> THIS BRIDGE HAS BEEN BUILT AND ACCEPTED.
THAT IS HOW A PERSON SEES THIS PARCEL UNDER CONSIDERATION TODAY.
THAT IS HOW IT IS ACCESSED. YES I AM SURE LENNAR WAS NOT LOOKING TO BUILD A BRIDGE.
IN ORDER FOR THEM TO ACCESS THIS PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THEY HAD TO.
>> DID NOT BUILD THE BRIDGE JUST TO GET TO 150 HOMES BEING PROPOSED IN THAT?
>> I GUESS THE SHORT ANSWER IS, YES.
LONG-TERM SURE WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT GO THROUGH.
WE HELPED IN OUR MIND WE HELPED OUT THE COUNTY AND CITY BY BUILDING OUR PORTION SO THAT HOPEFULLY WHEN SOMETHING DEVELOPS FURTHER WEST THE DISPUTE BETWEEN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY DISPUTE THE PROPERTY, DISPUTE TO GET THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THROUGH THE NEXT DEVELOPER WILL CONTINUE THEIR PORTION AND HELP US ALL THAT THEY HOLD THE CITY, THE COUNCIL, AND AS AS DEVELOPERS.
>> OKAY. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF RESIDENTS AND WERE STILL BUILDING OUT BENT CREEK. NOT CLOSE TO BEING DONE YET. IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG
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TIME. I'M SURE YOU ARE AWARE.TRAFFIC IS BEGINNING TO RAISE TO THE SURFACE IN MY EYES. GENERALLY IT TAKES I'M NOT THE FIRST ONE THAT SAYS IF WE BUILD ROBLEM.'S GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC I THINK THAT BEGINNING TO SEE A TRAFFIC PROBLEM AT BEND CREEK. IN THE MORNING WHEN I'M TRYING TO GO TO WORK AND IN THE AFTERNOON IF I'M TRYING TO COME HOME.
AGAIN I'M NOT REALLY IMPACTED. >> WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED.
IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED BY ST. LUCIE COUNTY. IT'S DEVELOPED AND APPROVED AND INCORPORATED ST. LUCIE COUNTY WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.
THAT IT WAS THEN ANNEXED TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AFTERWARDS BEEN BUILT.
IT'S BEEN BUILT WITHIN CITY JURISDICTION. AT THE TIME IT WAS APPROVED A TRAFFIC IMPACT REPORT WAS SUBMITTED FOR THE ENTIRE TOTAL DENSITY OF THE PROJECT.
THAT DENSITY THAT THIS IS COMPLETING PARCELS HE IS COMPLETING THAT WAS COVERED UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS IMPOSED FROM THE TRAFFIC IMPACT REPORT. THIS PARCEL HAS ALREADY HAS THIS DENSITY ENTITLED FOR TRAFFIC.
IF THEY EVER COME BACK AND SAY I WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THE SITE PLAN TO ADD MORE UNITS, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD HAVE TO DO A NEW TRAFFIC IMPACT REPORT. THEN WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE BACKGROUND TRIPS THAT HAVE GROWN UP AROUND BENT CREEK SINCE THAT TIME.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. ONE OF MY ARGUMENTS IN THE CITY. VERY OFTEN BE EXCLUSIVELY LOOK AT THIS PROJECT AND IGNORE THE FACT THAT WE JUST APPROVED THIS PROJECT. THIS TRAFFIC STUDY SAID THIS IN THIS TRAFFIC STUDY SAYS THAT. EITHER ONE ARE CONSIDERING EACH OTHER.
IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. IT DOES NOT HELP THE RESIDENTS. THAT ARE TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR OUT OF BENT CREEK. THAT'S ALREADY PURCHASED IN BENT CREEK.
TO GET IN AND OUT IN THE MORNING, GOING TO THE WORK, AFTERNOON COMING HOME FROM WORK.
I'M GLAD I DON'T LIVE IN BENT CREEK. NOT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING WRONG, BUT I DON'T DO WELL IN TRAFFIC.
[LAUGHTER] >> YEAH. IT SEEMS AS FLORIDA BECOMES MORE AND MORE POPULAR THESE DAYS. PRICES OF OUR HOMES KEEP GOING UP HERE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I LIVE HERE.
I FULLY SYMPATHIZE WITH THIS. I'M GLAD THE COUNTY IS FOCUSED ON BUILDING A ROBUST TRANSIT SYSTEM AND ARE STILL A LONG WAYS TO GO THERE. WE CANNOT BUILD OUR WAY OUT OF THE CONGESTION PROBLEM. IF WE DO END UP COMING BACK FOR ANY REASON FOR MORE HOUSES THAN MORGAN HAVE TO UPDATE THE TRAFFIC. THIS IS YOUR LAST PARCEL TO
DEVELOP NOW. >> YES SIR. THAT IS CORRECT.
>> OKAY. YOU ARE GONNA STAY IN FORT PIERCE, YOU ARE NOT GONNA LEAVE WITH THE TIDE, RIGHT?
>> I LOVE BEING ABLE TO BIKE TO MEETINGS LIKE THIS. >> VERY GOOD.
>> GERMAN. FOR THE RECORD MR. EDWARDS IS IN THE MEETING.
YOU SLID IN THERE ON ME. HOW DID YOU GET IN HERE WITHOUT SEEING YOU COME ? ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> I WAS LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM ABOUT THE BUS TURN AROUND. THE BUSES BEING ABLE TO DROP THE STUDENTS OFTEN SAID THE DEVELOPMENT AND OUT ON THE MAIN ROADS.
>> THIS IS A PLAQUE. A LOT OF THESE QUESTIONS WOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED DURING THE APPROVAL OR THE SITE PLAN. WHAT WERE LOOKING AT HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PLOT WITH
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THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED.I WOULD PRESUME KNOWLEDGE OF THAT DISCUSSION.
THE SITE PLAN OBVIOUSLY FOCUSED ON THE STRATEGIC CONNECTION. THAT IS WHY THE BRIDGE HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED. IT DOES ALLOW FUTURE FOR THAT TO COME THROUGH THERE.
I'M NOT ABLE TO COMMENT ON THE SCHOOL BUS DISCUSSION. >> THERE WERE NO COMMENTS?
>> SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE. >> YOU COULD COME BACK UP.
>> I GIVE YOU MY OBSERVATION FOR BEING UP THERE THROUGH VARIOUS PARTS OF THE DAY.
CURRENTLY WHAT THEY DO IS THEY COME IN FROM HARTMAN AND ALL THE STUDENTS WALKED TO THE MAIN ROUNDABOUT THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF BOTH PAWS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH FOR THE BUS PICKED THEM UP THERE. GOES AROUND AND LEAVES. GOING TO ASSUME THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, ASSUMING WILL DO THE SAME THING FOR THIS PARCEL. GO ACROSS THE BRIDGE.
STUDENTS MAKE THEM GO AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT. WHY ASSUMED WHAT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD DO ON THIS POD.
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO CURRENTLY. >> I SAW A BUS STOP ON THE DIAGRAM.
I WAS NOT SURE IF THEY WERE COMING INSIDE THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> TYPICALLY NOT GOING INTO THE INTERNAL STREETS. THE STUDENT USUALLY COME OUT TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE OF THE SUBDIVISION AND GET PICKED UP THERE AND DROPPED OFF ONE SPOT.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND OTHER PODS IN BENT CREEK. >> AND K.
>> A CASE WHERE IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD WAS REPRESENTED.
I HAVE NOT SEEN A REPRESENTATIVE HERE IN OUR MEETINGS.
I THINK IT'S ALMOST PAST TIME WE START TO SEE SOMEBODY. PERHAPS PC THEM IN JANUARY.
OKAY. ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING TO THIS? NOT SEEING ANYONE.
I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> ONE MORE QUESTION FOR MR. CUTLER. AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY BEING BUILT. IMAGINE THAT IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT IN TIME. ONE IS THE TIMELINE I GUESS IS THE QUESTION?
>> THE ANSWER IS I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A REQUIREMENT OUT SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT THAT THAT IS COMPLETED.
WE ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT COMING BACK AND AMENDING THE PORTION OF THE SITE PLAN THAT DEALS WITH THAT PART AROUND WHICH IS THAT BIG STORM WATER AREA.
AND SO THE WILL BE. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ENTITLEMENT WORK AROUND THAT.
THE SIZE OF THE LAKE AND WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE BUILT BY THAT IS ALL IN THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMIT.
WE WILL BE ADDRESSING IT AT THE TIME IT IS TRIGGERED.
AT LEAST I THINK WHAT THEY WANT TO DO THEY WANT TO COLLABORATE WITH PLANNING AND PUBLIC WORKS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE FOR THIS PART. IT IS ALL GOING TO HAPPEN
>> CHAIRMAN YOU MENTIONED AND I RECALL NOW PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WAS IS THAT THE BRIDGE BE COMPLETED THAT PETERSON ROAD OR PETERS ROAD WOULD BE COMPLETED OUT TO THE JENKINS ROAD. YOU BELIEVE THAT TIME PLANNING HAD ANY IDEA FOR AN INDEPENDENT PROPERTY OWNER SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT HAPPENING.
THAT STREET BEING COMPLETED SO THAT THERE WOULD BE THIS PORTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
>> ON THE BOOKS. THE EXPENSE OF BUILDING THAT BRIDGE ALSO ALLOWS THE
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STRATEGIC FUTURE PLANNING OF THAT ALSO IF YOU LIKE THAT STRIP.WHEN THAT DEVELOPER COMES IN. OR LAND OWNER COMES IN AND WANTS TO DO SOMETHING.
WHATEVER THAT IS. I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT POSITION FROM BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY TO SAY PART OF YOUR WHATEVER APPROVAL YOU GET SHOULD HAVE THAT ROADWAY
CONNECTED. >> IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO TRY TO SPEED THAT UP?
>> OUR INTERVENTION LIES PURELY BASED ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPERTY OWNER COMES IN AND DOES SOMETHING WITH THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T THINK EMINENT DOMAIN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IS A FAVORITE OPTION.
I'D OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE CITY AND COUNTY TO WORK TOGETHER.
MAYBE BENEFITS AND BENEFITS OF HAVING THAT CONNECTION THERE FOR ANY SUBSEQUENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OF THE NORTH OR SOUTH THERE.
HAVING THAT LINKAGE THERE OBVIOUSLY HELPS WITH EVERYBODY'S TRAFFIC ANALYSIS.
>> I THINK THAT WE ARE IN A GOOD PLACE. I THINK THE PLANNING BOARD WILL BE IN A GOOD PLACE TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND STUFF. IF ANY OF DEVELOPMENT OR PROPOSAL COMES IN ON NOT. THE PROPERTY THAT IT IS. THE MISSING HERE IF YOU LIKE.
I WISH WE WOULD'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE DID WHAT WE DID AS WE DID IT.
COULD'VE HAD A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION. >> MANY MORE PROPERTIES AND LOCATIONS IN THE CITY. WE DON'T HAVE THIS ISSUE WERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT THAT IF WE THINK MORE STRATEGICALLY ABOUT THINGS WHEN THEY COME IN. WE COULD PUT THESE THINGS IN PLACE. VERY FORTUNATE THIS BRIDGE WAS PUT IN PLACE.
PART OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A HUGE ASSET IN FORMS OF THESE CONNECTIONS.
THAT IS GOOD PLANNING. WE CANNOT CONTROL EVERYTHING. WE CAN AT LEAST PUT IN PIECES THAT WILL CONNECT IN THE FUTURE. I THINK THIS IS GOOD PLANNING.
>> I THINK SO. NOT TRYING TO TAKE SHOTS TO ANYBODY HERE.
OKAY. IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ARE YOU CAN OBTAIN A
MOTION? >> I'M FOR APPROVAL WITH ONE CONDITION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE ON MS. CLEMENTS. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.
>> MS. CLEMENTS. >> YES. >> MR. EDWARDS.
>> YES. >> MS. CARTER. >> YEAH.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE.
NEXT THAT IS INTERESTING. I JUST NOW NOTICED THAT.
[b. Site Plan (Development and Design Review) - Viva West - 3037 S. Jenkins Road]
NEXT ITEM B SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN FOR THE WEST 3037 S. JENKINS ROAD.>> BEFORE YOU AN APPLICATION FOR A SITE PLAN BUT DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW.
3037 S. JENKINS ROAD. APPLICANT CARLOS RIVERA DEVELOPERS.
PROPERTY OWNERS COMMUNITIES AT TREASURE COAST WEST. PARCEL ID 232-511-1001 0002 . SUMMARY THIS EVERQUEST REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW OF A 222 UNIT RENTAL COMMUNITY.
COMMUNITY CONSISTS OF ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, AND THREE BEDROOM DUPLEX IS IN TWO BEDROOM ROAD HOUSES. EAST SISTER PROJECT TO BE THE WEST BOTH COMMUNITIES WILL SHARE ACCESS TO AMENITIES SUCH AS A FITNESS CENTER, BUSINESS LODGE, COMMUNITY ROOM, CATERING, KITCHEN, PET SPA, OUTDOOR GRILLING AREAS AND MORE.
BASED OF THE FLORIDA CRACKER STYLE.
WEST PRPOSED THAT 3037 S. JENKINS ROAD ACROSS FROM THE CAMPGROUND.
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PROPOSED BUILDING LOCATED ON A PARCEL WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MEDIUM DESITY RESIDENTIAL.ZONING MEDIUM DENSITY IS RESIDENTIAL.
SITE LOCATION OF THE AREA WHICH IS 27.89 ACRES GIVE OR TAKE.
THE EAST WILL BE OVER IN THE SECTION OVER HERE. THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU AT A LATER DATE. THE FUTURE LAND USE I STATED BEFORE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE ZONING MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
THIS IS THE SITE PLAN BEING PROPOSED. THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER VISUAL FOR YOU. THERE IS 1.6 ACRES OF PRESERVED WETLANDS HERE THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. THIS IS SOME OF THE SITE DATA THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AS WELL AS THE INFORMATION THAT CORRESPONDS TO THAT. THESE ARE GOING TO BE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE PROPOSED HOUSES AND DUPLEXES. THE ELEVATION FOR THE ONE BEDROOM DUPLEXES ARE AS SHOWN.
THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM DUPLEXES ARE SHOWN.
THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DUPLEXES WITHOUT THE GARAGES.
THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE THREE BEDROOM DUPLEXES WITH GARAGES.
FINALLY THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM ROAD HOUSES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED.
RECOMMENDATION REPORT CONDITIONS FOR ONE COMPLETION CERTIFICATION BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT COST ESTIMATE LANDSCAPE ON PURSUANT CITY CODE 123 SIX SHALL BE REQUIRED BEFORE THE FINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED FOR THE SITE.
TWO, SURVEY WILL BE REQUIRED FOR STATE STATUETTE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN BEGIN.
THREE, ADDRESSES WILL NEED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR ALL UNITS PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS. FOR, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF ANY CYCLING PERMITS APPLICANT SHALL PROVIDE TRUE MEDICATION SURVEY AND COORDINATE WITH CITY OF FORT PIERCE FOR THE REQUIREMENT MITIGATION OF THE CITY REGULATED TREES.
PROPOSED AS A SITE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY.
STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO MOVE THIS PROPOSED SITE PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEWS WITH FOUR CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL TO THE COMMISSION.
ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH ALTERNATIVE CONDITIONS.
WERE RECOMMENDATION OF DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU.
>> ON THE LAYOUT OF THE DEVELOPMENT IC AND AREA THAT'S ALSO JENKINS ROAD. I'VE LOST MY PAGE.
LA 2 BESIDES A FEW OF THE WETLANDS AS THE PROPERTY EXISTS. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE IS A WETLAND AREA IN LA2 PRESENTLY. I'M GUESSING THE PROPER CHANNELS HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO WORK WITH SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT TO GET THE APPROVALS TO FILL THE AREA AND CREATE A LARGER AREA OF WETLAND THAT IS A CONTROLLED WETLAND.
MAKING THE EXCEPTION. >> HAS TO GO TO STATE STATUETTE IN STANDARD SO THAT WILL HAVE TO BE MET WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR BUILDING.
>> NOT EVEN LOOKING AT THE AT THE STAGE? >> LOOKING AT THE WETLANDS WE WILL LOOK AT THAT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE STATE STATUETTE WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR BUILDING AND BUILDING IS VERY GOOD AT THE FLOOD MITIGATION.
THEY WOULD CATCH THE AND ALSO CATCH THE WETLANDS. THAT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF.
>> A MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT'S WHY THE INCREASE IN THE WETLAND AREA ACROSS L3 AND L4 EXISTS. THE WETLAND AREA IN THE L5 IN HALF AND L4 RUNNING IT PARALLEL
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WITH THE INTERSTATE 95 I BELIEVE THAT IS. AN ASSOCIATED WETLAND THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS INCREASED IN SOME SIZE.ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD?
>> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? >> YES. >> SAID THEY HAVE CHARGING STATIONS SET UP IN THIS PRESENTATION? I CANNOT SEE IT.
>> I DID NOT SEE ANY CHARGING STATIONS IN THE SPRING WE COULD DEFINITELY ADD THAT AS A
CONDITION IF YOU NEED SOME CHARGING STATIONS? >> I THINK WE DO.
WILL THE SCHOOL BUSES BECOMING OFF OF JENKINS ROAD TO PICK UP THE STUDENTS?
>> I BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO BE COMING IN JUST TO THIS LITTLE ROUNDABOUT THAT THEY
HAVE RIGHT HERE SET UP. >> AS LONG AS IT'S NOT ON JENKINS ROAD.
IT'S NARROW AND THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS BUT THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS ON THE ROAD.
>> THEY HAVE PROPOSED THE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK HERE. SO THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY ADD A
LITTLE MORE THAT WE NEED TO THE CITY. >> IF I MAY.
>> THIS IS A STRAIGHT ZONING. WE HAVE TO BE ANY BENEFITS THAT ARE REQUESTED OF THE APPLICANT WHICH ARE NOT REQUIRED.
WE HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO DEMAND THOSE. WE COULD REQUEST APPLICANT'S.
THIS IS BEEN REVIEWED INTO CITY CODE UNDER STRAIGHT ZONING. WE ARE COMING TO YOU TODAY TO SAY IT MEETS THE STRAIGHT ZONING REQUIREMENTS. IT'S NOT A PLAN DEVELOPMENT.
CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THE STRAIGHT ZONING ORDINANCES THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE OURSELVES AS STAFF. IN TERMS OF WETLANDS.
I KNOW WHEN WETLANDS ARE INVESTIGATED THEY HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA AND STANDARDS.
CERTAIN WETLANDS A MORE VIABLE THAN OTHERS. THOSE THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT DURING THE PERMITTING WITH SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
THE CITY CANNOT UNDERSTATE STATUETTE DELAY IN APPROVAL WILL REQUIRE EXTERNAL AGENCIES PERMITS BE IN PLACE PRIOR TO APPROVAL BY A PLANNING OR CITY COMMISSION.
WE CAN PUT CONDITIONS ON THEIR TO MAKE DEVELOPERS AWARE THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE PERMITS IN PLACE BEFORE FINAL CERTIFICATION OF OCCUPANCY CAN BE SIGNED OFF.
THEY WILL HAVE TO SHOW VARIOUS EXTERNAL AGENCY PERMITS HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED USUALLY THOSE ARE FINALIZED PRIOR TO BUILDING PERMIT. WE WILL TRY TO ADD CONDITIONS.
YOU HAVE A LIST OF CONDITIONS THAT WE WOULD APPLY TO ENSURE THAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS WOULD BE MET. THAT WOULD INCLUDE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IN THE PERMITS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
I GATHER THEM THAT CHARGERS IN THIS APPLICATION CHARGERS CANNOT BE ADDED AS A CONDITION.
>> I THINK THIS COULD BE DISCUSSED WITH THE APPLICANT RIGHT NOW.
WHETHER THEY WOULD BE PREPARED TO INSTALL CHARGERS DURING THE GAP BETWEEN PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COMMISSION WHETHER WE COULD GET SOMETHING IN THERE.
WE COULD SAY WE'VE ASKED FOR THEM AT CITY COMMISSION AND WHETHER APPLICANT WANTS TO PUT THAT IN PLACE. WE DON'T HAVE THAT AVAILABLE AT EITHER MOMENT.
BECAUSE IF THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE SOME ACTION ON THIS.
ANOTHER JOB FOR THE PLANNING TO DO. PUT SOME CODE IN THE ORDINANCES TO REQUIRE CERTAIN NUMBER OF CHARGING STATIONS REGARDING STRAIGHT ZONING APPLICATIONS.
I'VE SEEN THAT DONE IN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT.
IT WOULD BE LESS WORK FOR US. >> MORE WORK FOR ME. [LAUGHTER]
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>> THAT'S WHY YOU GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS. [LAUGHTER]
>> I NOTICED YOU HAVE A NEW EMPLOYEE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT HELPS CARRY YOUR PAYCHECK HOME. IT'S GOTTEN SO HEAVY. IS IT JUST GETTING HEAVY BECAUSE, OR HEAVY BECAUSE? [LAUGHTER].
>> OKAY. I KNOW YOU ARE GETTING ABUSED. BY THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
>> FURTHER DISCUSSION I HAVE SOME PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE WITH THIS BUT ALSO AN DRIVER WHO HAS LIVED AND PLANNED COMMUNITIES BEFORE.
ANY DEVELOPER TOGETHER A PLAN LIKE THIS TO PUT SOME SORT OF FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.
NOT NECESSARY FOR A PERCENT OF YOUR OCCUPANCIES THAT ARE LIVING THERE.
IT IS VERY DISRUPTIVE AND EXPENSIVE IN TIMELY AND COSTLY AFTER THE FACT.
A CONDO IS CHEAP AND EASY TO PUT IN WHEN YOU'RE DIGGING UP THE GROUND.
ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE IN PLACE.
I DID NOT SEE THERE MIGHT JUST BE TOO HARD TO LOOK OUT HERE ON THIS IMAGE.
I DID NOT SEE ANY ALTERNATE ACCESS POINT IN AND OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY.
OTHER THAN THE MAIN ENTRANCE. I'M WONDERING IF THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ANYBODY OTHER THAN ME?
>> IT WAS REVIEWED BY FIRE. THEY PROVIDED THEIR COMMENTS BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT GO THROUGH FIRE AGAIN. BUYER HAS THEIR OWN REVIEW AND APPROVAL THAT THEY HAVE TO DO.
I DON'T BELIEVE A SECOND ACCESS WAS A COMMENT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT MADE.
>> I DO NOT SEE ANY. I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED. SPOKE ABOUT FOR THE ROAD SURFACES WITH THE ROADS. WHETHER IT WHAT THEY NEEDED.
THEY DID NOT THAT I CAN SEE SECONDARY. I'M ACTUALLY SURPRISED BACK IN THEIR TRAVELING.
>> I WILL BRING YOU UP IN A MINUTE. I WILL GIVE YOU THE MICROPHONE.
I THINK WERE GONNA GET THAT ANSWER THERE AND A COUPLE MOMENTS.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? >> SOUTH JENKINS ROAD IS A
COUNTY ROAD? >> YES. >> COUNTY.
>> CONSIDERING ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS ALONG THIS LINE OF THE PROPERTY FOR SIDEWALK
ACCOMMODATIONS? IS THAT WHATEVER YOU SAID? >> THERE ARE SIDEWALKS BEING PROPOSED.
>> THERE'S NOT ANY SIDEWALKS ANYWHERE ALONG JENKINS ROAD? >> NO.
>> LAST DISCUSSION I WAS INVOLVED IN WAS JENKINS ROAD ED FOR REVIEW.
I BELIEVE IT WAS 37. IS THAT CORRECT? >> I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE.
>> I THINK THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED SUGGESTS DEVELOPER SHOULD HAVE ANY PERSONAL OBLIGATION OUTSIDE OF PUTTING IN OF THAT NATURE IF THAT'S NEEDED FOR THAT SOMETHING THE COUNTY I'M SURE IT CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF SITTING HERE TODAY MAKING YOUR DECISION TO ADD ANOTHER HUNDRED 60 RESIDENTS OR SO. I DID NOT COUNT THEM. MIGHT BE 200.
WERE GETTING READY TO APPROVE THE AS IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT THOSE TWO SCHOOLS ON THIS
SECTION OF THIS WORLD BETWEEN SOUTH OF JENKINS ROAD TWO. >> OKEECHOBEE.
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>> OKEECHOBEE ROAD THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS AND TWO CHURCHES. THERE IS A CAMPGROUND.
THE TRAFFIC THAT COMES THROUGH OFF OF EDWARDS ROAD LIKE MYSELF.
GO AROUND A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF.
THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT TO THE NORTH OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. THERE IS A CHURCH DEVELOPMENT BEING PLANNED NEXT DOOR, ISN'T IT? IS IT RIGHT NEXT DOOR?
>> YEAH. THE CHURCH IN APARTMENTS. >> APARTMENTS.
THIS DEVELOPERS PLANNING THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORNER OF JENKINS AND EDWARDS ROAD.
TRAFFIC IS BECOMING AN ISSUE THERE NOW. I'M BEGINNING TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT I CAN GET AROUND THAT TRAFFIC. WE ARE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THIS. ALMOST FROM THE OUTSIDE LOOKING IN AS THOUGH THE CITY IS NOT CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. I GET INTO DISCUSSIONS LIKE THAT.
I WONDER AROUND AND PEOPLE RECOGNIZE ME. DYING MY BEARD OR SOMETHING.
I GET ASKED THESE QUESTIONS. I GET CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. WE ARE PRETTY JENKINS ROAD IS A COUNTY ROAD. IF IT WERE A FORT PIERCE ROAD I DON'T KNOW THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO MUCH MORE. THE BUDGET IS STILL THE WAY IT IS.
IT'S A COUNTY ROAD. WORD THE MERCY OF THE COUNTY TO RESPOND TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE ARE CREATING. AS PART OF WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH OUR TAX MONEY.
I'M INTERESTED IN THE SECONDARY. >> ONE MORE QUESTION FOR STAFF AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS CONVERSATION. ARE THERE ANY REMAINING PROPERTY NORTH OF THIS PARCEL UP TO I GUESS IT WOULD BE OKEECHOBEE THAT ARE NOT WITHIN
THE CITY JURISDICTION? >> NO, I BELIEVE THERE IN THE CITY'S JURISDICTION.
>> YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. THIS AT LEAST PRESENTS US CONTINUED OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST ON OUR AND WHAT WE CAN CONTROL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THOSE PROPERTIES POTENTIALLY EXTENDING A CONTINUOUS SIDEWALK.
AT LEAST ON ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD. UNTIL THE COUNTY AND OTHER DECIDE HAVE TO WIDEN IT. THANK YOU.
>> THE PARCEL OF PROPERTY TO THE NORTH OF THIS PARCEL MR. EDWARDS IS ALL THAT UP TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ON THE PRAIRIE CORNER?
>> WE ARE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF OKEECHOBEE. >> HAVE YOU OVER HERE.
FOR SOME REASON WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THIS. I'M LOOKING AT THE CHURCH IS
GOING TO BE OVER HERE. >> THERE IS SOME PROPERTY HERE THAT IS NOT SPOKEN FOR YET. IN TERMS OF COMING IN FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT.
>> OPEN THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. I WILL INVITE THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO US. IF YOU WOULD SIGN IN AND STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN.
WE ARE A DEVELOPER, BUILDER, OWNER OPERATOR. WE CONSTRUCT OPERATE AND MAINTAIN APARTMENT COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE'VE GOT THREE ACTIVELY OPERATING IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE HAVE TWO MORE UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR TWO MORE UNDER OPPOSITION.
OUR GOAL HERE REALLY IS TO PROVIDE AS CLOSE TO A SINGLE-FAMILY LIVING EXPERIENCE AS YOU CAN ACHIEVE IN ANY MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITY. IDEA IS WERE KEEPING THE SKILL DOWN AS LOW AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. NOT DOING ANY THREE, FOUR, STORY GARDEN STYLE.
WERE TRYING TO LIMIT SCHOENWALD'S. WE TRIED TO NEVER STOP TENANTS
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ABOUT ONE ANOTHER. WE DON'T LIKE DOING TWO STORIES.IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COST PROHIBITIVE TO WORK THIS WAY. WE BELIEVE AT THE END IT RESULT IN A BETTER OVERALL LIVING EXPERIENCE.
TO RESPOND TO SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS REGARDING THE WETLANDS THERE IS A .7 ACRE WETLAND THAT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH ACROSS THE EAST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. IT RUNS ALMOST THE FULL LENGTH OF THAT PROPERTY LINE. IT MAKES IT NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO AVOID IMPACTING THAT WETLAND. WE DID HAVE TO IMPACT THE WETLAND IN ORDER TO FACILITATE DEVELOPMENT. WE DO OUR BEST TO AVOID IMPACTS TO ANY OF THE OTHER WETLANDS ON SITE BY ONLY GOING INTO THE BUFFER WITH THE RETAINING WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE TRY TO HAVE MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE WETLANDS. IN TERMS OF THE SIDEWALKS WERE SHOWING FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS ALONG JENKINS ROAD. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON THAT BECAUSE OF THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF JENKINS ROAD.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALREADY DESIGNS.
THE AUTHOR WHATEVER WE PUT IN THERE IS NOT GOING TO ALIVE INTO THE FUTURE PLANS FOR BECAUSE OF THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE TORN OUT. TAXPAYERS EXPENSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS KIND OF UP IN THE AIRPORT WERE NOT OPPOSED TO THE IDEA OF INSTALLING SIDEWALKS FOR A MATTER FACT WE SEE AS A HUGE BENEFIT IF WE COULD CONNECT THE TWO COMMUNITIES TREASURE COAST IS IN TREASURE COAST WEST BY A WALKING PATH.
FRANKLY A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WERE GONNA PUT IN THAT TIME EFFORT AND EXPENSE FOR IT TO BE RIPPED OUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. BUT THE IMPROVEMENTS TO JENKINS ROAD WERE A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE 2037. THAT CAN ALSO PLAY A PART IN IT.
IN TERMS OF THE SECONDARY ENTRY I APOLOGIZE FOR SPEAKING OUT OF TURN.
LEARNING THE ROPES HERE. IN TERMS OF SECONDARY ENTRY DO HAVE ONE ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER. IT'S JUST NOT A PAVED ROAD. IT'S A DIRT ACCESS ROAD WITH A SECONDARY GATE. ACTUALLY NORTHWEST CORNER A LITTLE FURTHER OUT.
THE NORTHEAST CORNER. I APOLOGIZE FOR THERE YOU GO.
THAT IS OUR SECONDARY ENTRY AND EXIT.
AS FAR AS THE SCHOOL BUS THE SCHOOL BOARD WE DID MEET WITH SANDERS WHEN HE WAS IN THE COUNTY.
HE HAS SINCE RETIRED AND NOT YET BEEN REPLACED FOR PART OF OUR DISCUSSION WAS PROVIDING THAT SCHOOL BUS TURNAROUND AT THE ENTRY. ALSO YOU MAY BE PROVIDING A SCHOOL BUS SHELTER.
>> THIS LITTLE TURNAROUND. LET'S REFER TO THE UPPER WHAT IS THE
RATING MAXIMUM READINGS? >> I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I CAN TELL YOU WE PROVIDE THE TRUCK TURNING EXIT. IT MEETS ALL THE TURNING RADIUS IS FOR LARGE VEHICLES.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS EXACTLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
>> OKAY. I'M GUESSING YOU'RE GONNA BE MEETING WITH THE COUNTY SCHOOL
ENGINEERS AGAIN. >> YES, SIR. ONCE THEY FIND SOMEBODY TO REPLACE MR. SANDERS.
>> THIS YOUNG LADY ACTUALLY THE REPLACEMENT? >> I BELIEVE SO.
>> I'M GLAD YOU'RE CONNECTED. [LAUGHTER]
>> SOMETIMES SUGGESTED. >> IT IS GOOD AND BAD.
[LAUGHTER] WHAT SHE REMEMBERS ALL THE DETAILS. LIKE THE ADDRESS OF A RESTAURANT. I'M WORRIED THAT I DON'T NEED THE ADDRESS.
IN TERMS OF PERMITTING DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD.
HOW DID THEY MARRY TOGETHER HERE IN THE CITY?
>> SEND OUT THIS PLAN FOR COMMENTS FOR THAT GOES OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
ALSO, THE FIRE AND COUNTY. THAT CAN HELP YOUR WE RECEIVED COMMENTS FOR THE BEEN INCLUDED.
AS FAR AS THE SIDEWALK IS CONCERNED THE CITY CODE REQUIRES A SIDEWALK.
WE DO ALLOW. WE SAY IF THERE'S A CAPITAL PROJECT TO BE CONSTRUCTED OVER
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THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THEN WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY SUPPORT ALL OF THE SIDEWALK BEING PROVIDED TO THE ENTITY WAS GOING TO DO THE IMPROVEMENT.IT WILL RESOLVE THE COST OF DOING THIS FOR THERE IS NO COST SAVINGS BUDGET LAMPOONING THE SIDEWALK AND NOW ARE PUTTING IN LATER. THE ROADWAYS CAN BE RIPPED UP IN ANY CASE.
HOPEFULLY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY WOULD PUT THE SIDEWALK IN A PLACE THAT WOULD BE IN A LINE WHEREWITH THE SIDEWALK WOULD BE IF THE ROADWAY WAS WIDENED.
THIS SEEMS TO BE A BENEFIT FROM PUTTING THE SIDEWALK IN AS APPLICANT SUGGESTED BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL LINKAGE BETWEEN ONE SIDE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE OTHER SIDE WHICH IS TO BE PROPOSED.
>> REGARDLESS WHETHER OR NOT YOU ARE WALKING NORTH OR SOUTH ON THAT SECTION OF SIDEWALK IT
GOES. >> IT GOES NOWHERE. THAT'S THE EXCUSE BUT I CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN EXCUSE FROM DEVELOPERS TO SACRED BULLETINS AND GO ANYWHERE WHY SHOULD WE PUT IT IN? THIS IS A STRATEGIC MOVE CITY CODE REQUIRES A SIDEWALK TO BE FROM ALL OF EACH DEVELOPMENT THAT COMMITTED THE CITY. THE PURPOSE OF DOING THAT IS SO THAT PEOPLE CANNOT SAY IT DOES NOT CONNECT TO ANYWHERE WHEN THEY COME IN.
WHEN THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT COMES IN WE HAVE A CONNECTION. WE HAVE THAT CONNECTION SET UP.
THE DECISION PLANNING BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK OUT HERE IS ARE THEY GOING TO SAY TO BE AGREED WITH THE COUNTY? THAT WOULD BE BASED ON ENGINEER'S COST ESTIMATE OF PUTTING THAT SIDEWALK IN AT SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE. THERE IS NO COST SAVINGS ALLEGEDLY TO THE APPLICANT OTHER THAN MAYBE ACTUAL COST SAVINGS PUTTING IT IN PRETTY ABOUT THE SCALE HAVING THE EQUIPMENT ON-SITE TO PUT IN NOW. RATHER THAN WAITING TILL A
LATER DATE. >> ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT.
WHETHER THE PLANNING BOARD SEES THE BENEFIT OF PUTTING THE SIDEWALK AND NOW WERE ACCEPTING IT CAN BE RIPPED UP IN FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER THAT IS. THEN I THINK THAT ADVICE OR RECOMMENDATION THAT YOU CAN MAKE IN THIS DETERMINATION. WANT TO SEE THE SIDEWALK BOTH IN WHEN THIS GETS BUILT OUT? OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH A PAYMENT IN LIEU FOR THE SIDEWALK TO BE PUT IN IN THE FUTURE?
>> VERY CONTINGENT ON US HAVING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT PLANS THE COUNTY HAS IN PLACE BUT HOW FAR ALONG THEY ARE IN WHEN THE INTENT TO EXECUTE THEM.
THAT I APOLOGIZE APPLICANT FOR DRAGGING YOU INTO THIS CONVERSATION WE BROUGHT APPEARS SEVERAL TIMES.
JUST DON'T REALLY GET GOOD UPDATE ON THE INFORMATION. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF COUNTY ROADS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT I WOULD LOVE TO AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR GET UPDATES FROM THE COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ON WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE FOR THE FUTURE.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL. IF NOT ESSENTIAL FOR US BEING ABLE TO DO OUR JOB ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY. I DON'T WANT THE APPLICANT TO HAVE TO WASTE MONEY, OR SPEND IT POORLY. AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WANT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE APPLICANT AND WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. THOSE CAN BE THE SAME THING.
WE HAVE OTHER PARTY INVOLVED. WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS WELL AS I
WOULD LIKE. >> LOOKING AT THIS TO THE SOUTH WHICH IS WHERE I MENTION THE FOOT TRAFFIC FROM THIS COMMUNITY WOULD TRAVEL MOST OFTEN ONCE YOU ARE.
>> TO THE SOUTHEAST OF THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY. >> TO THE OTHER COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN PLANNED TO BE BUILT ON THE CORNER OF JENKINS AND EDWARDS.
MOST FOOT TRAFFIC COULD ASSUME BECAUSE OF THE CONNECTION BETWEEN THE COMMUNITIES AND BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THE VARIOUS EQUIPMENT THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM FOR I DON'T KNOW EXERCISE TO COMMUNITY SERVICE ROOMS WOULD BE TO THE SOUTH.
TO THINK THAT THIS HOMEOWNER THAT SCOTT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT EAST AND WEST BETWEEN THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY IS
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PROBABLY JUST WISHFUL THINKING. I DON'T THINK WOULD DO IT AT THIS LATE.CHANCES OF THAT HAPPENING BEFORE THE DEVELOPMENT TAKES PLACE ON JENKINS ROAD BY THE COUNTY IS PROBABLY SLIM TO NONE. ONLY A SHORT WALK TO THE NORTHERN CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT GOES NOWHERE EITHER.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE TWO SCHOOLS THAT ARE.
THE ONE CHURCH IS AN INDEPENDENT CHARTER SCHOOL. THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY.
THE CHURCH GOING THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT'S A CHURCH SCHOOL IF I RECALL CORRECTLY,
>> I'M GLAD YOU ARE HERE. >> I'M JUST FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA.
>> I COULD SEE SOME OF THE CHILDREN IN THIS COMMUNITY GOING TO ONE OF THE SCHOOLS.
>> RETHINKING INCOME BRACKETS? >> OKAY.
>> THE OTHER SIDE OF OKEECHOBEE TO. ALL RIGHT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND BEFORE I ASKED FOR A MOTION BE THINKING ABOUT THE SIDEWALK.
WHICH WOULD YOU PREFER TO SEE HERE MONEY FLOW? IT'S ENOUGH LOAD REGARDLESS.
IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT OUR CHOICES AND HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MONEY FLOW FOR THE SIDEWALKS.
>> MY CONCERN IS LIKE MR. CHRYSLER SAID WE HAVE A SIDEWALK GOING UP TOWARDS OKEECHOBEE. SO WE HAVE A WALKING PATH FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GOING TO DIFFERENT ENTITIES LIKE THE SHOPPING AND EVERYTHING.
SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO BE WALKING ALONG DIRT ROADS. IF THEY WANT TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, GAS STATION, STARBUCKS, OR THE DRUGSTORE WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET NOW THEY HAVE A WALKING ACCESS.
THAT AREA THAT'S NORTH OF THERE IS UNDEVELOPED. IT IS STILL CITY PROPERTY.
IF SOMEBODY'S DOES DEVELOP IT THEY CAN HAVE THEM CONNECT THE SIDEWALK.
IT WOULD NOT CONNECT THEM TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT. IT WOULD CONNECT THEM TO THE
REST OF THE CITY. >> KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE SIDEWALK? OKAY.
>> WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY'RE GONNA DO THE UPDATE FOR JENKINS ROAD.
WE DO KNOW THEIR DEVELOPING A NEW RESTAURANT AREA NORTH OF THERE.
WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE ON YOUR NOTES? >> THAT IS ALL I GOT.
NOT BE OPPOSED TO PUTTING IN A LIMITED NUMBER OF CHARGING STATIONS.
THEY ARE RELATIVELY HIGH VOLTAGE FOR THE LINES GET KIND OF EXPENSIVE WE TRY TO PUT THEM IN EARLY. WE DON'T HAVE GARAGES FOR WE HAVE GARAGE UNITS WERE RIGHT.
NOT NECESSARILY IN THE UNITS BUT WE HAVE DETACHED GARAGES. I THINK IT WILL BE A SIMPLE MATTER TO ADD IT TO THE GARAGES. TO ADD FREESTANDING CHARGERS
MIGHT BE DIFFICULT. >> AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THEM FOR THE TENANTS.
>> UNDERSTOOD. THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> OH YEAH.
I LOOKED AT ALL THE PRETTY DRAWINGS.
STAY BACK UP HERE. I TOLD YOU I WAS CAN ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS.
ALL THE PRETTY DRAWINGS. YOU AND I CHATTED BRIEFLY BEFORE THE MEETING.
SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS LOOK VERY BLAND. I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY THAT THESE ARE COMPUTERIZED AS WHAT THESE BUILDINGS MIGHT LOOK LIKE.
A LOT OF COLOR WAS NOT ADDED. SOME OF THEM REALLY LOOK BLAND.
I KNOW WE ARE LIMITED INTO WHAT WE COULD DO BASED ON STATE LAW AND REQUIRING.
WE CANNOT REQUIRE ANYTHING. WE COULD LAY OURSELVES THE MERCY OF THE FEET OF THE DEVELOPER AND ASKED THEM AS YOU'RE DOING YOUR FINAL PLANNING BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO SPRUCE ARCHITECTURAL SIDES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. IF THERE'S ANY THAT MIGHT SPRUCE THIS UP A LITTLE BIT TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE APPEALING WHEN I DRIVE UP TO MY FRONT DOOR.
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I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD. I THINK FORT PIERCE HAS BEEN KIND OF LIKE A STEPCHILD TREATED LIKE A STEPCHILD BY MANY DEVELOPERS IN TERMS OF AESTHETIC VALUE ON DEVELOPMENT.ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE WE'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO OPPOSE THAT DISCUSSION ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE WE DON'T.
THE WISDOM OF OUR STATE GOVERNMENT SOMETIMES DOCUMENTS OUT THERE.
>> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. THE DESCRIPTIVES SAYS A KEY WEST STYLE DEVELOPMENT.
STRUGGLED TO SEE KEY WEST DEVELOPMENT IN THESE DESIGNS.
>> COLOR OF THE TRIM, COLOR OF THE BUILDINGS. >> THEY LOOK LIKE SHINGLE ROOFS.
USUALLY IT'S METAL ROOFS. YOU HAVE SMALLER ENTRANCEWAYS.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S KEY WEST STYLE THE CORRECT DESCRIPTION.
TILES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. >> YOU SAID MEDITERRANEAN REVIVAL.
REVIVAL. >> THESE ARE SIMPLE HOMES.
>> GOTTA MEET IN ORDER TO MEET THE MARKET VALUE OF THE RENTAL PROPERTIES ON THE OTHER HAND CERTAINLY MEAN WHAT WE REFER TO WORKFORCE HOUSING. THIS WOULD CERTAINLY BE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THE JENKINS ROAD IS GOOD FOR THAT BECAUSE OF THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY GOING ON ALONG JENKINS ROAD AND KINGS HIGHWAY. IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO WORK AND PLAY , AND LIVE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY IS AN ISSUE I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT HERE FORT PIERCE. WITH THAT SAID I DON'T WANT TO SEE US CONTINUE TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT ON PAPER. IT DOES NOT LOOK COMPLETELY TASTEFUL TO US EITHER.
I THINK ADDING SOME ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF SOME KIND UNDERSTANDING THE COSTS ASSOCIATED TO THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY DESIRABLE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT COULD GET INVOLVED IN THAT DISCUSSION.
>> AGAIN, WERE NOT PERMITTED TO GET INTO DESIGN CONTROL OVER SINGLE-FAMILY AND DUPLEX HOUSES. WERE NOT GONNA DO THAT. I WOULD SAY THE STYLE IN DESCRIPTION OF THE STYLE IS KEY WEST. I DO THINK THAT'S CORRECT.
ADDING COLOR TO VARIOUS UNITS MAY HELP THAT.
ENTIRELY ADVISORY NOT GONNA GET INTO APPROVING OR DISAPPROVING DESIGN ON THESE THINGS.
>> WE GET OUR HANDS TIED SO EASILY. KIND OF A SHAME.
ALL THE COLOR THE SUPPLIED COLOR CHIPS THAT THEY ARE. THEY'RE ALL KIND OF.
>> WORKING THROUGH THE COLOR CHIPS SAW THEM. WE CAME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION
WHY WE PREFER TO SHOW THE UNFINISHED ONES. >> KNOW WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO
GO. >> YES, SIR. >> ALL KNOW THAT WE CAN PUT IT IN TO VERBIAGE TO IMPOSE ON YOU TO DO SOMETHING. WERE AT YOUR MERCY TO HELP US LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD UP A LITTLE BIT. ANYTHING THAT YOU COULD DO WOULD BE APPRECIATED. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
>> WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES IN THE PLAN?
>> THIS PROPERTY HAS THIS PROPERT HAS LESS AMENITIES THAN THE EAST PROPERTY.
THE IS PROPERTY HAS A LARGE AMENITIES BUILDING WITH THE CLUBHOUSE, OFFICE CENTER,
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PICKLE BALL COURTS ON THAT SIDE, DOG PARKS ON THAT SIDE.IN THIS COMMUNITY WE HAVE BASICALLY A POOL AND POOL HOUSE.
WE HAVE A COUPLE OF COURTYARDS AND PRINCIPLES TO BE A DOG PARK.
COURTYARDS AND SUPPOSED TO BE A DOG PARK.
>> ALMOST HAVE A SIDEWALK TO GET TO THE OTHER SIDE. IN ORDER TO ACCESS THE AMENITIES FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.
>> GOING SOUTH TO GET TO THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT IN SIDEWALK. >> WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BUILD ANYTHING AS OF NOW. THERE'S NO PLACE FOR SIDEWALKS.
>> WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS WHEN YOU EXIT THIS COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE TO GO SOUTH FROM JENKINS
TO GET TO THE OTHER COMMUNITY. IT'S ON THE SOUTH COURT. >> CAN YOU BE DRIVING TO GET
THERE. >> AND HAVE TO DRIVE TO GET THERE.
>> I LIKE BICYCLE. I DO NOT EVEN HAVE A CAR WHILE I'M DOING IT.
I GUESS THE SIDEWALK DISCUSSION IS STILL SOMEWHAT OPEN.
WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCE? >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SIDEWALK.
IT SEEMS UNUSUAL TO ME THAT YOUR LINKING TO QUITE SEPARATE PROPERTIES AND PROVIDING AMENITIES ON ONE AND NOT THE OTHER AND EXPECTING PEOPLE TO GET FROM ONE TO THE OTHER.
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION IS WILL BUT HOW DO THEY GET THERE? IF IT'S BIKING OR WALKING?
>> THAT'S A MARKETING ISSUE FOR THE DEVELOPER. IT MEETS OUR CODE AND COUNTY HAS NO COMMENT ON THAT. IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US.
>> IS GONE THROUGH REVIEW IT'S BEEN RESUBMITTED. IT'S JUST ENGINEERING REVIEWING IT AS WE SPEAK.
>> IS FAIRLY AS FAR ALONG AS WHAT WERE SAYING HERE? THE NEXT THING WILL SEE WILL BE THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THAT? X YES, FOR THE EAST.
>> PROBABLY NOT IN JANUARY I WOULD THINK IN FEBRUARY. >> IT COULD BE JANUARY.
TO BE HONEST HOW THIS WAS APPROVED PROBABLY SEE IT JANUARY.
CANNOT GIVE CERTAINTY. >> YOU ARE WORKING YOUR TAIL OFF BECAUSE OF IT.
>> AM WORKING MY TAIL OFF TO GET WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE, DONE.
>> THE PART MIGHT BE GETTING IT ON A CITY COMMISSION AGENDA BECAUSE BE GETTING A BACKLOG BECAUSE OF THE YEARLY JANUARY COMMISSION MEETINGS. PUSHING THINGS.
>> MIGHT HAVE TO BUMP IT ON OUR AGENDA. SO IT DOES NOT CREATE A TIMING ISSUE ON THE BACKSIDE.
>> SOME FREEDOM ON THE DATES. MIGHT SEE IT IN JANUARY.
>> ALTHOUGH BALLS ARE GETTING IN THE AIR AT THE SAME TIME. >> GOT TOO MANY.
>> OKAY I THINK IT'S CLEAR WHAT I THINK THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD.
THANK YOU. NO ONE ELSE IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THIS PROJECT.
>> I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE MEETING. COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? AND QUESTIONS? GETTING READY TO ASK FOR A MOTION. WHOEVER PROVIDES THE MOTION KEEP IN MIND THE SIDEWALK ISSUE IS STILL KIND OF OPEN.
I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL WITH THE FOUR CONDITIONS ALREADY STATED
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AS WELL FOR RECOMMENDATION OF ADDING CHARGING STATIONS AND COMPLETION OF THE SIDEWALK.>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND.
>> YES. >> MS. CARTER. >> YES.
>> MS. CLEMENTS. >> YES. >> CHAIRMAN.
NEXT ITEM COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. ANY OF OUR PUBLIC WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS?
[8. DIRECTOR'S REPORT]
I DO NOT SEE ANYONE.NEXT ITEM IS DIRECTOR'S REPORT. >> WHAT AN EXCITING YEAR.
WHAT AN EXCITING YEAR THAT YOU HAVE HAD. >> YES.
>> I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD FOR THE PERSEVERANCE AND DUE DILIGENCE FOR A LOT OF THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAD COME FORWARD. I THINK YOUR ASSISTANCE HOUSEHOLD STAFF AND DIRECTED US TO CONCENTRATE OR FOCUS ON CERTAIN ELEMENTS.
WE ARE GETTING BETTER AT THAT THERE IS MORE TO DO. AND 24 WE WILL MOVE FORWARD AND BRING SOME OF THESE COMMENTS TO FOR RATION.
BEHIND THE SCENES IN VARIOUS FORMS OF DRAFTING WE ARE WORKING ON A NEW PUBLIC NOTIFICATION PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATION SYSTEM IN TERMS OF WHAT'S REQUIRED FROM APPLICANTS MOVING FORWARD.
WHO GETS THE NOTIFICATION LETTERS.
TAKING SOME OF THAT RESPONSIBILITY FROM STAFF AND PUTTING IT ON APPLICANT TO DO THAT AND PRESENT THAT THEY'VE DONE THAT AT THE TIME OF PUBLIC HEARINGS.
WORKING ON A LANDSCAPE CODE. WHICH IS GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL.
YOU SEE BEFORE YOU SOME SITE PLANS COMING FORWARD WHICH IS IN FACT MINIMAL IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPE STANDARDS. NOT ONLY IN WANT TO INCREASE THE STANDARDS.
ALLOW GREATER FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF WHEN PEOPLE COME IN AND DESIGN SOMETHING UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S MARKET CONSTRAINTS ON THE AVAILABILITY OF MATERIALS AND CERTAIN TYPES OF SPECIES AND STANDARDS. TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY IN A BETTER LANDSCAPING SCHEME. NOT ONLY AS SHRUBS, GRASS, AND TREES, BUT HAS A RECOGNITION OF SOME UNDERSTORY PLANTING. SO YOU GET THAT PIECE THAT IS VERY VIABLE.
LOOKING AT THAT AS PART OF THE RESILIENCE MOVEMENT. WE WANT TO HELP WITH THE CITY PUTTING DOWN ON THE PARKING LOTS, BUILDINGS.
I HEARD THE OTHER DAY I HAVE NOT SEEN EVIDENCE OF THIS. I DID HEAR DURING A RESILIENCE DISCUSSION THAT FORT PIERCE HAS A HEAT FOOTPRINT. WHICH IS THE HIGHEST IN THE STATE.
IN TERMS OF HEAT REFLECTION SURFACE AREA. I DO NOT KNOW HOW TRUE THAT IS FOR SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT DURING A RESILIENCE MEETING. WORKING ON ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS WILL BE WENT THROUGH SOME OF THAT TODAY. WE'VE GOT CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT WE CAN APPLY IN THE CRA AND WITHIN THE DISTRICTS THAT REALLY THE MOMENT WE HAVE GUIDELINES.
GUIDELINES DO NOT GIVE US ANY AUTHORITY TO TALK ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS IN THE CITY. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN CODE.
WE WILL LOOK AT VARIOUS BUILDING STYLES THAT YOU SEE IN THE CITY.
YOU BECOME FAMILIAR BUT THAT'S PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THE CITY.
HAVE FOUR OR FIVE DISTINCT BUILDING STYLES WERE TRYING TO NOTATE.
ALSO, AGAIN ALLOW FLEXIBILITY END. ENCOURAGING GOOD DESIGN AND RECOGNITION THAT SOME EFFORT IS REQUIRED IN THE CITY NOW TO CREATE SOME VALUE TO PEOPLE THAT ARE INVESTING IN DEVELOPING IN THE CITY THAT WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT.
ALSO, RECOGNIZE THAT THE COST OF DOING THAT. ALSO, IF THEY ARE INVESTING IN THE CITY THAN THE NEIGHBORING SIDE IS SOMETHING COMES IN SHOULD REPRESENT A QUALITY DEVELOPMENT THAT ACTUALLY ENHANCES THEIR OWN INVESTMENT AS WELL AS THE NEIGHBORS
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INVESTMENTS. WE ARE WORKING ON THE PORT. THIS MORNING THERE WAS A PRESENTATION ON THE CITY OF MARINA AND THE PORT DIRECTOR ATTENDED THAT.LAST WEEK WE HAD A MEETING WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, COUNTY OF THE PORT AREA.
THEY ARE REALLY WORKING HARD TO PUT IN PLACE SOME CODE THAT WE COULD BRING FORWARD THAT WOULD SATISFY PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE COUNTY. PLANS THAT WOULD ENABLE THE MASTER PLAN. THE PORT MASTER PLAN COMING TO THE COUNTY HAVE PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY AND HOPING THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE PLANS FOR THEIR PROPERTY.
TO START TO GET THIS ECONOMIC DRIVER IN THE CENTER OF THE CITY TO CREATE SOME JOBS AND CREATE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL PEOPLE. THERE ARE A LOT OF PROCESSES.
THERE'S LOTS OF CHANGES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN IN THE SYSTEM.
YOU WILL SEE THOSE WITH THE CITY COMMISSION IN 2024. THIS IS REALLY RAMPING UP US OUTSIDE THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WERE HAVING COMING THROUGH. ORGANIZATION REALLY LONG PLANNING BOARD MEETINGS AND POTENTIALLY VERY LONG CITY COMMISSION MEETINGS WHEN WE STARTED TO MAKE SEASON TOGETHER IN THE NEXT YEAR. WERE GONNA BE BUSY WITH THAT.
BEHIND THE SCENES THERE'S A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FROM BRIGHT LINE THAT ARE REQUIRING SOME BY INTERESTING PARTIES BY DECEMBER 22.
I THINK I MIGHT'VE MENTIONED THIS LAST MEETING. WE ARE WORKING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER CITY STAFF TOGETHER WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH EVERYBODY IN THOSE AREAS.
WE DID MEET WITH BRIGHT LINE TWO WEEKS AGO I THINK. HAD SOME VERY PRODUCTIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THAT.
THINK VIABLE PRESENTATION TO DO THAT. THAT IS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER IN TERMS OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA. IF THAT COMES FORWARD. OR WHEN THAT COMES FORWARD AND SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE STATION. THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ECONOMIC DRIVER ITSELF IN TERMS OF ENCOURAGING INVESTMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
THERE IS LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON.
WE WILL REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO SEE IF WE CAN GET BETTER ATTENDANCE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DESIGNEE. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND STOP REMOVING THINGS IN A POSITIVE WAY IN THE CITY. I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING IT NEXT
YEAR. >> KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. >> THANK YOU.
>> AND MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES SINCE YOU CAME ON BOARD A HONEYMOON PHASE FOR EIGHT OR NINE MONTHS. [LAUGHTER]
[9. BOARD COMMENTS]
>> THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES MADE.
KEEP IT UP. THE BRIGHT LINE ISSUE IS OF COURSE AN IMPORTANT DISCUSSION FOR THE CITY. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT I'M NOT NECESSARILY A FAN OF BRIGHT LINE. IT IS HERE.
IT IS RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE TRACKS DISTURBING EVERYBODY. WE SHOULD REAP ANY BENEFIT THAT WE OUT OF IT. IT'S PROBABLY ARGUMENT COULD PROBABLY BE MADE IF WE HAD A STATION HERE WOULD BE AN ECONOMIC IMPACT.
I'D RATHER SEE SEAPLANES OPERATIG RATHER THAN BRIGHT LINE.
BRIGHT LINE IS OPERATING. THE SEAPLANES AREN'T. MAYBE SOMETIME IN HER LIFETIME.
>> PLANS ON THE TABLE. WORKING ON PLANS WITH THAT.
>> YES, THEY ARE. IT'S A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS. I KNOW THE FAA PERMITTING IS INVOLVED. IT'S A LONG DRAWN OUT PROCESS. A RATHER COMPLICATED PROCESS.
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LIKE YOU I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THIS BOARD. DEDICATION THAT YOU OFFERED TO US. DOING YOUR BEST TO ATTEND EVERY MEETING.I'M GONNA PUT MY FOOT OUT THERE AND SUGGEST IT IS PROBABLY THE BEST OF ALL THE CITIZEN BOARDS OPERATING IN THE CITY.
OUR MEMBERS ARE GENERALLY ALWAYS HERE. WHEN VACATION COMES UP DOES NOT SEEM THERE WILL BE A MEDICATION THAT WILL SOLVE THAT. WE HAVE TO WORK AROUND IT.
VERY SERIOUSLY THE BOARD HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB.
IT WAS NOT LONG AGO THAT EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD EXCEPT THIS SEAT WAS NEW TO THE BOARD.
THIS YEAR ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE DIVERSITY OF THE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO US.
BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO US.
OUR MEMBERS HAVE CERTAINLY. I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD APPROVED.
IT'S PROBABLY AS GOOD AS ANY. OUR MEMBERS CERTAINLY HAVE COME ALONG ON THIS.
THE PARTICIPATION AND QUESTIONS THAT COME UP YOU'VE BEEN STUDYING.
YOU BEEN LOOKING AT STATE ORDINANCES. IT'S OBVIOUSLY BY THE QUESTIONS, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY THAN THE FIRST SIX WEEKS, SIX MONTHS THAT YOU WERE HERE.
IT SHOWS BY THE WORK THAT'S COMING OFF.
I JUST APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO AND HOW YOU DO IT. THE DEDICATION THAT YOU GOT.
YOU ALL SHOULD PAT YOURSELVES ON THE BACK. THAT IS ALL I HAVE THOUGHT.
IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD? I AM NOT HEARING ANYTHING. I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.