[b. Request for Commercial Facade Grant extension of 809 Delaware Avenue by Dean Properties, LLC; deadline for completion of the project is February 26, 2024. ]

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> NO, MA'AM.

>> CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

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>> NEXT, WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR A COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANT AND EXTENSION OF 809 DELAWARE AVENUE.

>> MA MADAM CHAIR. WE HAVE MR. DARRELL BAY, THAT IS THE RESIPIENT OF A COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANT. AND HE'S BEEN WORKING ON HIS PROJECT AT 809 DELAWARE AVENUE. AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE HIM COME UP TO REQUEST FROM YOU THE REQUEST THAT HE HAS POSED FOR YOU'RE CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

>> WELCOME, MR. BAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. DARRELL BAY, 809 DELAWARE AVENUE. YES. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR QUITE SOMETIME. AND I TALKED WITH MY GENERAL CONTRACTOR, TREASURE COAST GENERAL CONTRACTORS, AND HE ASSURED ME THE PROJECT WOULD BE COMPLETED IN APRIL. I ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION UNTIL JUNE, JUST IN CASE WE RUN INTO A PROBLEM.

WE GOT THE GRANT ORIGINALLY TO DO A FACADE, THE PAINT JOB IS TO BUILD THE DECK. AND THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENING THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW ME TO FINISH 100% THOSE TWO ITEMS. SO I'M SURE THAT BY APRIL WE SHOULD HAVE THIS THAT DONE. AND IF YOU GIVE ME UNTIL JUNE, I GUARANTEE WE'LL HAVE IT DONE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE A

MOTION FOR DISCUSSION? >> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A PHOEGD MOTION AND

SECOND. CALL THE ROLL. >> WHAT SATURDAY DATE TO WHICH

WE'RE EXTENDING? >> WAS THE REQUEST UNTIL THE

END OF JUNE? >> JUNE 30.

>> JUNE 30. >> MOVE TO APPROVE EXTENDING IT

THROUGH THE END OF JUNE. >> SECOND.

>> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

[c. Old St. Anastasia Exterior Restoration Project Update]

>> YES, MA'AM,. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON.

>> YES. >> CHAIR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> MR. MIMES.

>> YES, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE FPRA BOARD. WE HAVE WITH US SPECIALIST WITH INNOVATIVE MASONRY. WITH THE ANASTASIA BUILDING. AS PART OF THE CONTRACT EXECUTION, AND AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU ALL MENTIONED, WAS TO HAVE A REPORT FOLLOWING THE INITIAL CONDITIONAL ASSESSMENT. AND WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE FOR YOU. AND WE HAVE AN EXPERT IN THE FIELD THAT IS GOING TO REVIEW HIS FINDINGS WITH YOU

TODAY. >> WELCOME.

>> WELCOME. AGAIN, MARCIA CAMAN, SPECIALIST. I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF KICKSTARTING THIS. AS THE DIRECTOR SAID HERE, JIM DOLBY IS HERE. PART OF THAT IS TO CONDUCT A CONDITIONS ASSESSMENT, WHICH THEY'VE DONE, AND I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS QUITE THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED WITH THE ASSESSMENT.

WE HAVE A GUEST SUBCONTRACTOR BY PHONE OR THAT WILL BE JOINING BY PHONE. HE IS REMOTE. BUT HE'S ARCHITECT. HIS NAME IS BOB MACK. AND HE HAS AN EXTENSIVE HISTORY ON WORKING ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS, HIS SPECIALTY IS WITHIN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION AREA. SO HE'LL BE HERE AS WELL TO SHARE IN THE PRESENTATION AND BE OF INFORMATION TO YOU. SO AT THIS

TIME, I'M GOING TO -- >> WAIT UNTIL THE --

RINGING ] >> IT'S LIKE MODEM DIALING.

>> OLD SCHOOL.

>> I DON'T RECOGNIZE THIS NUMBER.

>> WE DID A RUN-THROUGH. >> I'M SORRY I CAN'T TAKE YOUR CALL, LEAVE ME A MESSAGE AND I'LL CALL YOU BACK WHEN I

CAN. >> WHAT WE'LL DO IS CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION. WHEN WE GET TO BOB'S PORTION, WHICH IS ONLY ONE SLIDE, WE'LL CONTACT HIM. OTHERWISE, JIM IS

PREPARED. THIS IS HIS REALM. >> JIM, YOU HAVE TO BE THE

WHOLE SHOW. >> NO PRESSURE.

>> YEAH. WELL, THANKS FOR HAVING ME. WE'RE THE PRIME CONTRACTOR. THE DELIVERY METHOD WAS A DESIGN BUILD. WE'RE THE CONTRACTOR, DESIGNER, SUBCONTRACTOR WAS BOB MACK. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF, UP-TO-DATE. WE HAVE MAYBE A DOZEN SLIDES TO GO THROUGH. STARTED OUT. BOB SPENT A LOT OF

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TIME GOING THROUGH ARCHIVES TO FIGURE OUT THE HISTORY OF THE BUILDING. HE FOUND THAT THE SCHOOL WAS BUILT IN 1914 FOR OLD ST. ANASTASIA CATHOLIC SCHOOL. I BELIEVE THEY VACATED OPERATIONS AROUND 1975. BASICALLY, THE FACADE, RELATIVELY, WAS UNCHANGED EXCEPT FOR THE FACILITY OF A FIRE ESCAPE ON THE EAST SIDE. HE ALSO FOUND THAT THE LATEST PHOTOS WERE PLACED ON THE PROPERTY. THERE'S A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF THE BUILDING THERE. MARCIA COMOND THE BASE IS CONSTRUCTED OUT OF A CONCRETE FOUNDATION THAT HAS A STUCCO VENEER OVER IT. AND THE LOWER PART IS BLOCK. AND ABOVE THE WATER TABLE IS BRICK VENEER.

>> GOOD THING WE FOUND, AS PART OF OUR STUDY, WE WENT ON THE INSIDE TO SEE IF ANY OF THE DAMAGE ON THE OUTSIDE WAS TELEGRAPHED IN. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE STRUCTURAL ISSUES. WE DID NOT FIND THAT. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS NO SEVERE CRACKING ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND THIS IS -- THIS IS A PHOTO OF THE CONCRETE BELT COURSE. AND YOU CAN SEE, THERE'S SOME DETERIORATION ON THE BELT THERE, RIGHT ON THIS AREA.

TYPICALLY, WHAT HAPPENS IS, THE HOT, HUMID, SALT AIR, PARTICULARLY IN THE SUMMERTIME. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY MAKE THESE, THEY USE REBAR TO KEEP THE CONCRETE TOGETHER AND ALSO STRENGTH FOR TENSION. WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY DIDN'T COAT OR TREAT THE REBAR. AND THIS HOT, HUMID AIR, SALT AIR, EXPANDS -- RUSTS AND EXPANDS. AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS DID. IT FALLS OFF.

I HAVE TO MENTION, WHEN WE DID THE CONDITION STUDY. IVE IMR AND BOB USED THAT DO DEVELOP HIS REPORT AND THEN IS GOING TO MOVE ON. I THINK HE'S ALREADY STARTED OR PUT TOGETHER DOCUMENTS FOR RECONSTRUCTION. THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT HAS THE MOST DAMAGE, IS PORTICO. YOU CAN SEE THE CONCRETE COLUMNS. CRACKED AND ST. PAULING IS WHEN PIECES FALL

OFF. >> SORRY. I HAVE TO KEEP UP

WITH NOTES HERE. >> ONE OF HIS NOTES SAID THAT IT WAS FAVORABLE TO YOU GUYS. THOUGHT THE OVERALL CONDITION OF THE EXTERIOR WAS FAIRLY GOOD. SO I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT IMAGE YOU SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE. THERE'S DISPLACED BRICKS.

I DO NOT -- I'M UNSURE WHY THAT IS HAPPENING. I WISH BOB COULD BE ON THE PHONE. HE COULD EXPLAIN.

>> IT'S BOB'S PICTURE. >> AND THEN THE -- THE NEXT IMAGE, IT REALLY DOESN'T SHOW, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF SEALANT FAILURE, THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING. THERE'S SOME BROKEN GLASS, WHICH IS PROBABLY BECAUSE OF -- BECAUSE OF

VANDALISM. >> THIS PHOTO IS -- STUCCO

FOUNDATION. >> OKAY.

>> THERE'S A STUCCO MATERIAL THAT WAS OVER THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LEFT FOOT IMAGE. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S FALLING OFF. THAT MAY BE ANOTHER ISSUE WITH STEAL

MESH, POSSIBLY RUSTING AND >> AND NEXT SLIDE. THE BLOCK

FOUNDATION . >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS

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NOTICED THAT. BUT I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS BECAUSE OF A HURRICANE. THERE WAS A HURRICANE BACK IN 2004 THAT DID

PRETTY EXTENSIVE DAMAGE. >> WE REMEMBER.

>> YOU GUYS REMEMBER? >> YEP.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH HURRICANE IT WAS.

>> THERE WAS TWO OF THEM. BACK TO BACK.

>> HE DID WRITE HURRICANES. >> THAT'S A ROOF SHOT, RIGHT?

OF THE ROOF? >> YES. IT'S OVER NORTH.

>> AT THE BACK. >> YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THAT DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE NORTH END.

>> AH. >> I DON'T LOOK UP THAT HIGH

EITHER. >> I DON'T EITHER.

>> I'M TRYING TO WATCH THE CAR IN FRONT.

>> LIKE WHAT IS THAT MESS. >> VERY WELL.

>> WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THAT AS PART OF OUR WORK.

>> QUESTION THERE. SO THE FACADE WAS A BRICK. WHAT'S THAT -- IS THAT WOOD BEHIND THAT THAT IS EXPOSED NOW?

>> YES. IT'S WOOD. CORRECT. >> OOH.

>> AND THE CONDITION OF THAT WOOD THAT IS THERE. HAS THAT BEEN ASSESSED? AND HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN EXPOSED THAT WAY?

>> I'M SORRY. SOME OF IT IS CONCRETE BLOCK.

>> OKAY. THE UPPER PART IS WOOD.

>> OH. OKAY. >> AND WE'LL DEFINITELY TREAT THAT WITH A BACKUP OF WATER-TYPE SYSTEM TO KEEP THAT FROM MOISTURE GETTING THROUGH THE BRICKS, AND WE'LL PROTECT

THE BACKUP WALL. >> DOESN'T LOOK --

>> I'M LOOKING AT THE ROOF RIGHT NOW. YOU MAY BE GETTING

TO IT. BUT THE ROOF OKAY? >> YES. THIS IS PART OF THE REPAIR 2004. BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANES. THE ROOF WAS

REPLACED. >> RIGHT.

>> THE WINDOWS, I BELIEVE, WERE REPLACED. OR THAT WAS 2017.

>> IT WAS REPLACED. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TIME.

>> IS THAT THE -- YEAH. >> I KNOW THE ROOF WAS REPLACED BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANES? THERE WAS STRUCTURAL STABILIZATION THAT WAS ALSO PERFORMED.

>> SO I HAVE A QUESTION WHILE YOU'RE ON THIS SLIDE, IF I

COULD. >> SURE.

>> SO TO REPAIR THIS. OBVIOUSLY TO GET THE BRICK BACK INTO PLAY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ADD BRICK BACK. SO YOU WOULD HAVE ANALYZED THE INTEGRITY OF THE EXISTING BRICK THAT WE SEE IN THE PICTURE. IF IT HAS TO BE REMOVED, ARE YOU GOING TO WATERPROOF AND FLASH INTO THAT DECK?

>> YES. I HAVEN'T SEEN BOB'S FINAL DESIGN. BUT HE WILL FOR

SURE ADDRESS THAT. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, CAN YOU TALK IN PLAIN ENGLISH -- NOT THE ENGINEERING LINGO? NO. I'M JUST MESSING WITH YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S KEEP THE WATER OUT OF THE BUILDING.

>> IT'S FOR A LONG TIME. >> SO THAT WINDOW. WAS THAT ONCE A DOOR THAT THEY TURNED INTO A WINDOW?

>> I DON'T KNOW KW-G YOU'RE ASKING ME.

>> I BELIEVE SO. >> LOOKS THAT WAY.

>> SHOULDN'T BE A DOOR. >> IT'S PART OF THE GYMNASIUM.

>> FOR THE END OF THE BASKETBALL GYM.

>> I'M TRYING TO GET A ROOFTOP HERE, GUYS. OKAY? TRYING TO GET

A ROOFTOP HERE, OKAY? >> I'M TRYING TO GET A ROOFTOP

UP HERE. >> I KNOW WHERE HE'S GOING.

>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. NEVER SAY NEVER. ALL RIGHT?

>> UH-HUH. >> THERE'S SOME WORK OUT THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE WATERPROOF THE BACK SIDE OF THE BRICK AND THE BACKUP WALL. APOLOGIZE,

GOING OFF OF BOB'S NOTES. >> AND THIS -- I THINK I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED, THIS IS -- THE PORTICO IS IN REALLY ROUGH

SHAPE. >> REALLY ROUGH SHAPE.

>> IT GOES BACK TO THE -- YOU KNOW, THE HOT, HUMID AIR, WASN'T SALTED. ASK EVENTUALLY GETS INSIDE THE CONCRETE. AND STILL, WHEN IT RUSTS, IT CAN RUST MAYBE FIVE TIMES ITS

ORIGINAL THICKNESS. SO -- >> IT'S JUST VERY ODD THAL IT WAS ON THE FRONT, WHERE NO ONE TOUCHED IT. LIKE ALL THE CHILDREN GOING INTO THE SCHOOL. AND IT WASN'T ON THE INSIDE.

IT WAS ON THE OUTSIDE. >> YEAH. I'M NOT SURE THIS WASN'T ADDRESSED IN 2004. I KNOW THEY DID SOME STRUCTURAL STABILIZATION ON THE INSIDE. BUT YEAH. I MEAN, OVER 100-YEAR-OLD BUILDING. THIS IS WHAT YOU TYPICALLY SAY, WHEN

THERE'S LACK OF MAINTENANCE. >> THAT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

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>> YOU SEE THE REBAR COMING OUT OF THE WALL. IT'S COMPLETELY RUSTED AWAY. I THINK THIS GETS INTO PAINTING OF THE BUILDING. HISTORIC PAINTING SINCE WASHED AWAY, IF YOU WILL.

AND WE'LL BE PERFORMING PAINTING AS PART OF OUR PROJECT. TRY TO BRING THE BUILDING BACK TO HOW IT LOOKED

IN ITS GLORY. >> DOES THIS HAVE TO GO TO

HISTORIC PRESERVATION? >> POSSIBLY. IT WILL BE -- WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.

>> OKAY. >> AND STAFF WILL BE REVIEWING IT, IF THERE IS OTHERS THAT HAS TO BE BEFORE THE HISTORIC

PRESERVATION BOARD, IT WILL. >> MADAM MAYOR. I BELIEVE THIS MAY BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS OF THE EXTERIOR. SO THIS SHOULD BE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. THAT IS MY GUESSTIMATE.

>> OKAY. >> ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED WITH OLDER SCHOOLS OR OLDER BUILDINGS AND HOW ASCRIBE THOSE LETTERS INTO THE MASONRY OR THE CONCRETE. BACK 110 YEARS AGO.

>> 110 YEARS AGO, RIGHT. >> YES. THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD

LOOK WHEN WE'RE DONE. >> RIGHT.

>> AND I THINK THIS IS A PERFECT TIME TO TRY TO GIVE BOB A RING. BECAUSE HE REALLY WANTED TO SHARE THIS SLIDE. WE WORK AT THE LAST HOUR TO TRY TO GET THIS SLIDE HERE. SO BOB DID STATE TO ME THAT HE IS AVAILABLE. SO WE CAN TRY TO DIAL HIS NUMBER AGAIN. MADAM CLERK?

>> THE CELL PHONE NUMBER. >> DID YOU GO INSIDE? WE'RE

JUST DOING OUTSIDE? >> EXO -- THE SKEL TAN.

>> I FORGOT THAT WORD. SHOULD HAVE STUDIED MY VOCABULARY.

>> WILL THIS QUALIFY FOR A FACADE GRANT?

>> SURE. >> YEAH. ALL 255,000 THAT'S

LEFT. >> I'M JUST SAYING. I NEED

SOME PLANTS. SOME PAINT. >> OKAY. SO BOB IS ON RIGHT

NOW? >> OKAY.

>> SO BOB, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> I CAN HEAR YOU. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE SNAFU, EARLIER.

>> THAT'S OKAY. >> IT'S HARD TO HAVE TWO PHONE

CALLS ON THE SAME PHONE. >> THAT'S OKAY. WE HAVE YOU AT THE RIGHT TIME. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY ON YOUR LAST SLIDE, BOB. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN TAKE IT AWAY.

>> I THINK THAT MY INSPECTION SHOWS AS JIM SAID EARLIER, THAT THE BUILDING, THE EXTERIOR IS REALLY IN PRETTY GOOD CONDITION. AND IT WILL TAKE WORK TO DO THE REPAIRS AND TO KEEP IT SOUND FOR THE LONG TIME. AS I SAID, THOUGH, I THINK THAT THE GOAL OF OUR PROJECT IS NOT TO MAKE THE BUILDING LOOK BRAND NEW. IT'S TO MAKE IT LOOK OLD, BUT WELL PRESERVED. MAYBE SORT OF LIKE ME.

>> WELL, WE CAN'T SEE YOU. >> MAYBE THAT'S A GOOD THING.

PROJECT, AS JIM HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WILL BE THE REPAIRS TO THE CONCRETE COLUMNS. I THINK THAT IT MAY BE PARTLY ACCELERATED BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANES DRIVING THAT SALT WATER INTO THOSE COLUMNS, WHERE IT THEN CORRODES THE STEEL. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU CAN'T JUST EXPOSE THE STEEL AND THEN PUT IN NEW. YOU REALLY HAVE TO -- YOU CAN'T JUST PROTECT WHAT YOU FIND. YOU REALLY HAVE TO PUT IN STEEL THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT IS THERE. SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT WILL BE IN THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE.

THERE WAS THAT ONE PICTURE, WHERE IT WAS -- THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT A FORWARD DOOR? AND ACTUALLY, THAT IS IN THE BACK OF THE BALCONY PART OF THE GYMNASIUM. SO IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IT WAS A DOOR JUST TO GET IT OUT ONTO THAT ROOF DECK. BUT THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THE ROOF WAS USED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST GETTING OUT THERE AND DOING SOME REPAIRS.

THE REPAIRS DOES KIND OF GO ALL THE WAY UP. THERE AT IS THAT STUCCO BASE. THEY'LL BE TAKING OFF ANYTHING THAT IS LOOSE.

PUTTING IN STUCCO REPAIRS. AT THIS POINT, LOZ LOWER LEVEL WINDOWS ARE COVERED WITH PLYWOOD. AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY GOAL TO TAKE OFF THE PLYWOOD. BUT EVENTUALLY, IT WILL BE COMING OFF. AND THE NEW WINDOWS ARE THERE, COVERING WITH THE PLYWOOD. ONE OF THE MAJOR MISSING PIECES ON THE BUILDING, ARE THE SEALANTS, COMMONLY

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KNOWN AS CAULKS. GOING UP THE STAIRS TO THE MAIN ENTRANCE, THERE'S ESSENTIALLY NO SEALANT LEFT. SO THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NEW SEALANTS PUT IN. AS I SAID EARLIER, THE COLUMNS WILL BE REPAIRED. THE UPPER AREA OF THE CONCRETE AT THE TOP OF THAT PEDIMENT AT THE PORTICO, WILL BE REPAIRED. AND THEN WHEN ALL THE CONCRETE WORK IS DONE, THE SPECIFICATIONS CALL FOR COATING WITH A -- A SPECIAL COATING THAT IS BREATHABLE, SO THAT IT WON'T TRAP WATER INSIDE. AND IT IS PERMANENT -- I'VE USED IT ON MY HOUSE. AND IT -- WE HAVE HARSHER WEATHER HERE THAN YOU DO, OTHER THAN HURRICANES. BUT WE HAVE WINTER. AND THE SILLICATE PAINT REALLY BECOMES AN ACTUAL PART OF THE CONCRETE.

SO IT WON'T PEEL LIKE PAINT DOES. SO IT WILL HELP KEEP THE WATER OUT. AND IT WILL PROVIDE A SURFACE THAT WILL BE ATTRACTIVE AND LONG-LASTING. THE COLORS ESSENTIALLY, NO HISTORIC PAINT LEFT. WOULD MATCH THE PAINT COLOR THAT'S THERE NOW. AND THE PAINT THAT IS ON THOSE BRACKETS UP UNDER THE EAVES. WE DID GET A PAINT SAMPLE FROM THERE, WHEN WE WERE UP ON THE LIFT. SO JIM CAN GET A PRECISE MATCH FOR THAT PAINT GOING OUT TO THE LOCAL PAINT STORE. I DID GIVE IT WHAT IS CALLED A MONSEL COLORED NUMBER. IT'S A PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC VALUATION THAT EVALUATES THREE DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS OF THE COLOR. BUT THIS TELL BE JUST AS GOOD. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK THE BUILDING IS, AS I SAID, WHEN HE SHOULD -- SHOULD BE GOOD FOR ANOTHER -- I'M GOING TO GO OUT AND SAY, AT LEAST 25 YEARS, AS FAR AS THE MAJOR EXTERIOR WORK. THEY WILL STILL NEED TO BE ROUTINE MAINTENANCE DONE FROM TIME TO TIME. THE SEALANTS TYPICALLY LAST ABOUT 15 TO 20 YEARS. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THE MASONRY WORK, SHOULD BE GOOD AT LEAST UNTIL ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD RETIRE AND UNTIL I RETIRE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> THE BRICK VENEER. ARE YOU ACID WASHING THAT AND THEN THE

BRICK? >> IT WILL BE WASHED. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT I INCLUDED IN THE SPECIFICATIONS.

TYPICALLY, I LIKE TO STAY AWAY FROM ACID BECAUSE OF ITS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. THERE ARE SOME NONESTHETIC CLEANERS THAT WE WILL BE USING. THE BRICKS DON'T NEED 100-POINT RESURFACING. THE BRICKS ARE MORE LIKE 15 TO 20%.

>> OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO MORE THOROUGH EXAMINATION ON THE REPOINTING OF THE BRICK, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MORTAR IS -- IN ESSENCE, YOU'RE WILL GOING TO GO THROUGH THAT, EVERY BIT.

>> CORRECT. >> SECOND QUESTION IS, ON THE CONCRETE BASE. THE PICTORIAL EVIDENCE IS THAT WE HAVE SOME DELAMINATION IF THE STUCCO FINISH OVER THE CONCRETE. DUE TO ST. SPALING. WALK THREE THROUGH THAT. WHEN YOU FIND A PATCH OF SPALING. ARE YOU CUTTING OUT THE DAMAGE. TO REMOVE ALL THE DAMAGED REBAR? NOT JUST DEALING WITH THE

EXPOSED PORTION? >> IN THIS STUCCO, THERE IS NO REBAR. SO IT'S JUST APPLIED TO THAT CONCRETE BASE.

>> BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THE STUCCO POPPED DUE TO THE

SPAULING. >> I BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF SPALLING OF THE CONCRETE.

>> OKAY. WELL, I'M THRILLED TO HEAR THAT, CANDIDLY. ONE FINAL QUESTION. IS THAT FLAT ROOF IN THE BACK. LOOKS LIKE IT'S SOME KIND OF PEEL-AND-STICK MATERIAL, WHICH I'M ASSUMING WAS INSTALLED IN 2024. WAS THAT EXAMINED FOR SOME TYPE OF -- AND THAT'S PONDING WATER, OBVIOUSLY. WAS THAT FOR ANY TYPE OF SEAM OR FAILURE, ET CETERA, THAT THAT ROOF IS GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP AND BE REPLACED? BECAUSE THAT'S GOING

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TO DETERIORATE A LOT FASTER THAN THE TILE ROOF.

>> WE DID NOT INVESTIGATE IT AS ARE THE PAOF THIS PROJECT.

>> OKAY. >> IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT. BUT OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT IS THAT AREA THEN? IS THAT CONCRETE? OR IS THAT -- WHAT IS THAT AREA?

>> ROLLED ROOF MATERIAL. >> ROLLED? LIKE FELT-ROLLED

PAINT -- >> I THINK IT'S A SINGLE-PLY

MEMBRANE. >> SINGLE-PLY. LOOKS LIKE A GF.

THAT STUFF CAME OUT 20 YEARS AGO. DID NOT HAVE GOOD HISTORICAL VALUE. I WON'T GET INTO IT. BUT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT, AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

>> I AGREE. I SEE WHERE WATER HAS POOLED. IT'S COMING FROM

SOMEWHERE. >> YEAH.

>> FLAT ROOF IS GOING TO POND WATER. AND THAT PARTICULAR SPECIFICATION IS NOT MADE FOR PONDING WATER. THAT'S ALL. I

WON'T GO ANY FURTHER. >> YOU'RE GOOD, COMMISSIONER

-- >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON?

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YEAH.

>> HI. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ROOF AND SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BRICK. SO ONCE YOU MAKE A DECISION ON THE BREAK, WHETHER IT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED OR NOT. AND OF COURSE, WE PROBABLY NEED TO ANALYZE, WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS ROOF, JUST IN CASE YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING WITH THE BRICK. LET'S SAY THE BRICK HAS TO BE REMOVED AND REINSTALLED. MY QUESTION WAS, FLASHING OR BRICK FLASHING AT THE BOTTOM. AND WATERPROOFING AT THE EXISTING WALL SYSTEM THERE. BUYER WE PUT THE SYSTEM BACK ON. IS THAT

INCLUDED IN YOUR SPEC PACKAGE? >> BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION THIS EVENING, IT WILL BE. IT'S NOT THERE AS OF THIS MOMENT.

BUT IT WILL BE. >> ON THAT SAME VEIN, THOUGH.

I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IF WE'RE GOING TO BE REFLASHING AND THAT. WE WANT TO GET AN INTEGRITY REPORT ON THAT EXISTING FLAT ROOF. LET'S FIND OUT IF THE ROOF IS BAD. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY SQUARES OF ROOFING IS ON THIS PARTICULAR

ROOF. IT'S NOT HUGE. >> VERY SMALL. WE COULD BE FLASHING TIES ON IT. WE'VE GOT ANOTHER 20 YEARS. THERE'S NOT 20 YEARS LEFT ON THAT NOW, I CAN TELL YOU.

>> WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU HAVE PROFESSIONAL INPUT ON THAT. IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER ADDITIONAL WORK, MR. MIMS, WE HAVE TO DO, IF WE HAVE TO EVALUATE PLEASE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT PICTURE. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD FOR YOU -- LET'S SEE. WHAT WAS I THINKING ABOUT? IF YOU GO TO THE LAST RENDERING. IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION, JUST BECAUSE I'M HERE TALKING ABOUT IT.

THAT WE REMOVE THAT STAIRCASE. WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WITHIN THE CITY, IF WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE IT OR NOT. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ALL THE ELEMENTS BEHIND THAT STAIRCASE TAKEN CARE OF. AND THEN WE'LL DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH THE STAIRS LATER. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO WORK AROUND THE STAIRS. BECAUSE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE GOING TO MISS SOMETHING. AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS SOMETHING.

AND THOSE STAIRS, WHILE THEY LOOK OKAY IN ORANGE. WHICH I

KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. >> THEY MAY NOT EVEN HAVE TO STAY. IF THIS BUILDING IS BROUGHT TO 88 COMPLIANCE. THAT

STAIR EXIT COULD BE -- >> YOU TALKING ABOUT THE --

>> THAT EXTERIOR EXIT RIGHT THERE.

>> YEAH. >> AT SOME POINT, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. I'M JUST SAYING, WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THE EXTERIOR OF THIS BUILDING RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT WAS OUT OF YOUR WAY, I'M SURE, WHEN YOU'RE DOING

THE PROJECT. IS THAT ACCURATE? >> OKAY.

>> YES. >> I CAN CERTAINLY TAKE IT OFF.

IT CAN CERTAINLY COME OFF AS PART OF OUR DRAWINGS FOR THAT UPPER FLOOR ROOM TO HAVE ANY SUBSTANTIAL USE, IT HAS TO BE THERE. BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY SECONDARY EGRESS. AT THIS POINT, THE ONLY MEANS OF ACCESSING THAT AREA, IS FROM THAT -- THE AREA BELOW THAT FLAT ROOF AREA. AND SO I'M SURE THAT THE FIRE MARSHAL AT SOME POINT SAID, YOU CAN'T USE THIS AUDITORIUM OR GYMNASIUM, OR WHATEVER IT IS, UNTIL YOU HAVE A MEANS OF GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THERE SAFELY. BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THEY PUT IN THAT SECONDARY STAIRWAY. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE USING IT FOR ANY KIND OF GROUP ASSEMBLY. YOU'LL HAVE TO BE THERE TO LET PEOPLE OUT.

>> I APPRECIATE YOU TELLING US THAT, AND SHARING THAT WITH US.

WHEN WE HAVE THAT PROBLEM, TO USE THAT ROOM, ILBE THE ONE THERE HELPING INSTALL THE NEW STAIRCASE OR ELEVATOR OR WHATEVER IT IS. BECAUSE IT'S A LONG WAY DOWN THE ROAD.

>> AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE

HISTORICAL STRUCTURE? >> NO.

>> AT ALL. >> RIGHT.

>> AND WHEN IT'S REPURPOSED. >> FOR NOW, WE'LL TAKE IT OFF.

>> ALL DIFFERENT ACCESS POINTS, VERTICAL LIFT, ET CETERA. IT'S ALL GOING TO BE REDONE. SO THERE MAY NOT BE A NECESSITY.

THERE'S GOING TO BE OTHER METHOD OLOGIES PROMOSED. BUT

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LIKE JEREMIAH SAID, THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR --

>> I CAN'T WAIT TO TAKE A PICTURE.

>> RIGHT. RIGHT. >> SO -- I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR. SO WE ARE GOING TO BE CHALLENGED FOR A LITTLE WHILE WITH THE WINDOWS SYSTEM. SO EARLIER, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE WINDOWS ARE COVERED. WHICH WE DO KNOW THAT THE WINDOWS ARE COVERED. AND WHEN WE REMOVE THOSE COVERINGS SO YOU CAN DO YOUR COVERINGS. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THAT'S

COMPLETE? >> JIM IS YOUR FIRST NAME,

RIGHT? >> YES.

>> JIM OR BOB. >> AFTER YOU'RE FINISHED.

>> I'LL DEFER TO BOB. HE'S. >> I THINK THE REASON THERE ARE BROKEN THINGS CURRENTLY IS BECAUSE OF VANDALISM.

>> AGREED. >> AND I THINK THAT BOTTOM ROW OF WINDOWS IS THE MOST SUSCEPTIBLE TO ANY KIND OF VANDALISM. IF THERE WERE A PLAN FOR THE FUTURE USE OF THE BUILDING, I WOULD SAY, LEAVE THEM OFF AND THEN WORK WITHIN WHATEVER THAT NEW USE IS. BUT UNTIL THERE IS SOME KIND OF REUSE OF THE PLAN THAT IS ACTIVELY BEING IMPLEMENTED, I THINK I'D BE INCLINED TO PUT A PROTECTIVE COVERING BACK ON.

>> OKAY. SO WE MIGHT NEED SOME INPUT ON PROTECTIVE COVERING, JUST SO WE DON'T DAMAGE THE INTEGRITY OF ALL THE WORK WE JUST DID. WHETHER IT'S A SEALANT, PAINTING. WE CAN START PUTTING TAP CONS IN, OF COURSE, WHICH ARE CONCRETE ANCHORS. BUT

I DON'T WANT TO DAMAGE IT. >> OR LEAK POINTS.

>> EXACTLY. SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT. I LEAVE IT TO --

>> YEAH. I'M LEARNING A LOT. >> LEARNING AND LISTENING.

>> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON, YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> NO. NOT AT THE MOMENT. >> ALL RIGHTY. ANYBODY ELSE?

YEAH, MR. MIMS. >> I DO WANT TO SAY TO THIS BOARD, THAT WE DID HEAR THE COMMENTS. I BELIEVE OUR CONSULTING AND -- CONSULTING AND CONTRACTOR DID HEAR AT THIS TIME COMMENTS THAT WERE EXPRESSED TODAY. THEY MAY RESULT IN ADDITIONAL SCOPE OF WORK OR SERVICES. AND BASED UPON EVALUATION OR ASSESSMENT. AND THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THOSE REQUESTS. SO IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU, BASED UPON THE COMMENTS RECEIVED FOR A CHANGE ORDER IF NEEDED. BUT THIS IS THE CONDITION ASSESSMENT REPORT. AND I'M GLAD WE GOT THIS TO YOU. AND WE ARE GOING TO TACKLE THIS AND GET IT DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

>> AND WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS TONIGHT. THIS JUST AN

UPDATE. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> MADAM, I HAVE A COMMENT. BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING.

WE NEED TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT. WE ARE PRESERVING THE HISTORICAL SITE, GETTING IT READY PERHAPS FOR WHAT MAY BE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO TAKE ON A PROJECT. AND RFP PROJECT TO BRING THIS TO LIFE. WE'RE NOT IN THE ASPECT OF FIXING THIS PLACE UP FOR IMMEDIATE MOVE IN FOR ANY ORGANIZATION. WE ARE TRYING TO GET IT STABLE, SECURE, PATCHED UP. BECAUSE DAMAGE IS BEING DONE AS WE CAN SEE. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY TYPE OF ACTIVATION AND RFP PROCESS THAT SOME ENTITY IS. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SAY THAT, RIGHT? I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO SAY WE'RE SPENDING ALL OF THIS. THAT'S NOT THE ASPECT OF THIS. THE INTEGRITY OF THIS PLACE IS BEING COMPROMISED AS WE SIT HERE. AND WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT SOUND. AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER PLAN TO -- IN MY HOPEFUL OPINION, THIS BECOMES AN AREA THAT WE TRY TO FIND THE DEVELOPER OF DEVELOPMENT TO COME IN TO BRING PROGRAMMING ALONG THIS CORRIDOR.

>> OKAY. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE PUBLIC. BECAUSE I WANT TO BE CLEAR. THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING TOO MUCH TO MOVE IN AND BRING PEOPLE IN AND ALL OF

THIS KIND OF STUFF. >> WE DON'T HAVE A USE FOR IT YET. BUT WHEEZE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.

>> THAT'S THE PART I WANT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING

WHAT WE CAN HERE. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE? BOB OR JIM,

YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? >> WE'RE JUST EXCITED TO GET

GOING. >> MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THAT.

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IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, BOB. >> AND MARSHA HAS ALL OF MY

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INFORMATION. SO IF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COME UP, PLEASE LET

ME KNOW. >> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>> NEXT, WE HAVE STAFF COMMENTS.

>> MR. MIMS. >> I WANT TO POINT YOUR ATTENTION TO OUR SIMMARIES AND ACTIVITIES MONTHLY REPORT. ANAN IN THERE, WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS QUOTE OF DELGADO.

>> WE MADE YOU STAY HERE. >> YOU HAVE INSTALLED A QUOTE.

IN OUR REPORT FROM A LOCAL, THAT HAS BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOMETIME. YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT CAME TO BE AND HOW THAT HAS HELPED A LOCAL BUSINESS?

>> WELL, I WENT OVER TO CAPTAIN'S GALLY. WE WENT OVER THERE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW THE BEFORE SIGN. IT WAS

FADED. >> I NOTICED THE NEW OLD SIGN.

>> I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE REPORTS. AND THEN I HAVE TO WORK ON THE ANNUAL REPORT. SO I WANTED TO KIND OF LIKE CHANGE THINGS UP SO I WENT OVER THERE, ASKED HIM SOME QUESTIONS ON BUSINESS. HOW HE -- YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME BUSINESS WAS FROM HIS PARENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I JUST ASKED QUESTIONS ON HOW THESE TWO GRANTS HELPED HIM. SO I GOT A QUOTE. AND

THAT'S IT. >> I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE QUOTE,

RIGHT? >> GO AHEAD AND READ IT.

>> THE QUOTE QUOTE IS FROM TREVOR HORVATH. IT SAID, BEFORE WE HAD AN ACTUAL DECK, WE HAD TO USE THE PARKING HOT. MOVING TO THE DECK HAS MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE. AND NOW AFTER 10 YEARS, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A SIGN. THE GRANTS WERE A NEW HELP. SO THAT IS EXACTLY THE RATIONALE OF A CRA. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND THIS IS AN ESTABLISHED OLDER BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS FANTASTIC THAT WE HAD THAT TYPE OF COMMUNICATION WITH THAT BUSINESS. AND WHAT THIS PROGRAM HAS BROUGHT TO THEM. AND I'VE HAD COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAT SAID, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT SIGN? LOOKS LIKE THE OLD SIGN? SO GOOD JOB. GOOD JOB.

>> THANK YOU. >>> AND THAT'S ALL. I JUST -- WE'RE HERE IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE

DOING IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> ALL RIGHTY. ANY QUESTIONS OF

MR. MIMS? >> CANDIDATE MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES. >> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR STAFF IN THE REPORT. AND THE PARKING GARAGE IN THE FIRST FLOOR, BASIS YOU REPORTED THAT. AND THE VINYL OR WHATEVER WAS ADDED TO CHANGE THE FACADE OF OUR PARKING

GARAGE. >> YES.

>> AND THE SUNRISE CENTER. >> SUNRISE CENTER.

>> WINDOWS. >> WINDOW COVERINGS. YES.

>> THANK YOU. IT'S VERY EXCITING. IT'S BRIGHT. IT'S

VIBRANT. >> SUCH A DIFFERENCE.

>> YES. SUCH A DIFFERENCE.

>> SO THAT WAS THE EASY PART OF THAT 4500 OR 5,000 SQUARE FOOT TASK. THAT'S THE EASY PART. THE OTHER PART IS AN OCCUPANT INSIDE. WHAT WE CAN DO TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE. THAT'S --

>> PHASE 2. YES. >> MY PERSONAL NEXT MISSION.

I'M JUST SHARING THAT WITH MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS. BECAUSE THAT 33,000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE THERE. IT'S BEING OCCUPIED. BUT ALL OF IT NEEDS TO BE OCCUPIED. THAT'S A GOAL.

>> YES, SIR. >> GOOD REMINDER. ANYBODY ELSE

BEFORE I SPEAK? ANYBODY ELSE? >> THE ST. ANASTASIA -- WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH IT WHEN WE HAVE A NICE NEW BUILDING ON THE OUTSIDE? WHAT'S OUR -- WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT.

AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY UP HERE SAID THEY HAD HAD INTEREST.

WHEN WE HAD THE SCHOOL COME IN. >> YES.

>> THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTEREST. BUT NOT MUCH IN THE WAY OF CAPITAL THAT HAS BEEN PUT TOWARDS THAT INTEREST. BUT WE HAVE HAD IN INITIAL CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF, WITH POSSIBILITY OF MOVING THE HISTORY MUSEUM. AS LOCATED ON THE BEACH TO THIS AREA. I BELIEVE THAT A MUSEUM OF THIS SORT, THE CHAMPIONS AND PROMOTES THE HISTORY OF ST.

LOUIS COUNTY, WILL BE A WONDERFUL USE FOR THIS BUILDING. IT'S ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES.

AND ALSO, THIS IS AT THE JUNCTION OF THE DISTRICT. AND THE LINCOLN PARK DISTRICT. AND ACTUALLY, THE GATEWAY TO THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. IT WILL BE A WONDERFUL LOCATION FOR THAT USE. SO THAT IS ONE POSSIBILITY. AND THEN THE --

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>> THE COUNTY'S REALM, THOUGH? >> YES. IT WILL BE A JOINT PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT. OR JOINT PARTICIPATION AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, IF THAT IS THE COURSE OF ACTION. AND OF COURSE, THE GROUNDS SURROUNDING THE AREA, THERE'S ANOTHER COUPLE OF AREAS THAT SURROUND THE BUILDING ITSELF. THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT WE SEE THAT FUTURE WILL BE. BUT WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT MUSEUM BEING THERE, THAT CAN CHANGE THE ENTIRE OUTLOOK.

BUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE CONTINUING. AND WE SHALL SEE.

BUT THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE ARE PREPARING FOR.

THIS ENVELOPE HELPS OUR CAUSE AND HELPS OUR MISSION OF

IDENTIFYING USER. >> IT'S OLD. WARM. WE'D LOVE

TO TAKE YOU ON A LITTLE TOUR. >> I'D LIKE IT.

>> NO PROBLEM. >> WE SHOULD ALL DO IS THAT.

>> YES. BUT ACTUALLY HAS BEAUTIFUL ARCHITECTURE.

>> IN THAT VEIN, WOULD IT BE APPLICABLE TO BRINGING A LEASING AGENT IN? TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY POTENTIAL ACTIVITY

IN THE MARKETPLACE FOR THIS? >> R.

>> WELL, WE HAVE DISPOSITION RULES. THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED SURPLUS BECAUSE IT IS NOT SERVING A MUNICIPAL PURPOSE. WE HAVE RULES THAT GOVERNOR. A LEASING AGENT MAY NOT BE THE COURSE OF THE ACTUAL PROCESS. WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY PUT IT OUT, ADVERTISE IT AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. EVEN IF WE GOT A LEASING AGENT, WE WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE COMPETITIVE BID

PROCESS. >> OKAY. I'LL RETRACT MY QUESTION.

THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. >> IF IT'S THE COUNTY OR ANOTHER AGENCY WE'RE WORKING WITH. THEN WE CAN LOOK INTO IT

INTO LOCAL AGREEMENT. >> SO THIS TOUR. WOULD THAT

HAVE TO BE PUBLICLY NOTICED. >> OKAY. FAIRLY. JUST SCHEDULE

IT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> ONLY HAS ONE HARD HAT. SO WE GOTTA SHOW HIM.

>> WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SCHEDULE HIM.

>> THANK YOU. >> MADAM, I JUST GOT A QUICK QUESTION. WE HAVE A RESIDENT THAT HAS BEEN SITTING HERE,

RAISING HER HAND IN THE BACK. >> I DIDN'T NOTICE THAT.

>> I DON'T WANT TO NOT NOTICE SHE DID RAISE HER HAND. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ON AGENDA. SO IF SHE CAN'T.

>> IS IT OKAY WITH THE BOARD? >> WE CAN. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT

THIS ONE MORE TIME. >> WANT TO SAY ONE MORE TIME?

>> YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, TOO.

>> PLEASE COME FORWARD. I'M OPENING UP PUBLIC COMMENT R AGAIN. SHE WAS RAISING HER HAND BACK THERE.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW IT. >> I HAVE ONE FOLLOW-UP.

>> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, MS. HARRELL.

>> HARRELL. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RESTOR ING, THE BUILDING SHE DIED IN. SO I'M SITTING HERE, LOOKING AT THAT.

AND WONDERING, WILL WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO REDO SOME STUFF? BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS OLD AND IT'S ALL C NET. I'M JUST WONDERING. DOES THAT MAKE US ALL HAVE TO GO BACK BECAUSE THE

BUILDING IS OLD? >> THERE'S NO AIR CONDITIONING IN THERE. THE WINDOW ALL NEED TO COME OUT.

>> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING PROBABLY WE'LL HAVE TO TALK -- I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT TO US. BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE MAKE YOU DO. YOU OWN IT, RIGHT? SO YOU NEED TO PROBABLY CONTACT

A CONTRACTOR. >> WE WANT IT. IT'S GOING TO BE A MUSEUM. SO WE WANT IT TO LAST FOREVER. AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE MAD AT ME FOR EVEN ASKING THIS QUESTION.

THE MEMBERS OF MY COMMITTEE. I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, HOW OLD IS OUR BUILDING? CLOSE TO WHAT THIS BUILDING IS? AND THEN MY OTHER THOUGHT WAS, YOU HAD A BIDDING, WHERE PEOPLE BID ON USING THE BUILDING. AND A YOUNG COUPLE WANTED TO BE IT SO

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WHERE -- QUESTION. BUT YOU PUT IT TO US. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHTY? ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT, SINCE

I OPEN TODAY BACK UP? >> I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC

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COMMENT. AND YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE AND YOU WANTED

TO SAY SOMETHING ELSE. >> YEAH. IF WE'RE GOING INTO

BOARD COMMENTS, I SUPPOSE. >> YES.

>> IN EARLY 2016, I WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH THE FOLKS AT THE HISTORIC MUSEUM AND TALK TO THEM AND KIND OF PLANT SEEDS OF HOW TO ENHANCE -- AND THIS IS WHAT MR. MIMS AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT OVER THE YEARS. HOW TO ENHANCE THE HISTORICAL

ELEMENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. >> YOU KNOW, THE CULTURAL ELEMENTS AND HISTORICAL ELEMENTS. AND WHAT CAN WE DO? I KNOW IT WOULD BE WEIRD WEIRD TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OFF THE BEACH. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I WAS TALKING ABOUT EXPOSURE. AND HOW DO YOU GAIN MORE EXPOSURE AND HOW DO WE MAKE THIS A DESTINATION? RIGHT NOW, IT'S A DESTINATION, SORT OF. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DATA AND ANALYTICS OF HOW MANY VISITORS THEY ACTUALLY GET, THERE'S NOT TOO, TOO MANY.

WITHOUT A SPECIAL EVENT OR ADVERTISEMENT CAMPAIGN. IT JUST NEEDS TO BECOME. IT'S JUST LIKE, HEY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GO? WHEN I FLEW ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST COAST, I SHARED THIS. I WENT TO A MUSEUM, I WENT TO A MOB MUSEUM, OUTSIDE OF LAS VEGAS. IT'S AN OLD MUSEUM, AND POST OFFICE, TURNED INTO A MUSEUM. AND IT'S ON THE REGISTER AND THE ABOVE. AND EVERYBODY IS GOING THERE TO PAY MONEY TO GO IN THE DOOR, EVERY SINGLE DAY, INCLUDING ME. AND IT'S A NEAT PLACE, RIGHT? SO PLANTING THOSE SEEDS IN 2016. I'M LIKE, HEY, LET'S THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. AND WE'VE GOT THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE TWO MORE ACRES WE CAN DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH.

I THINK IT'S A PHENOMENAL OPPORTUNITY. WE'LL SEE WHAT OUR COUNTY FOLKS SAY OVER THE NEXT FIVE OR 10 YEARS. AND HOW MUCH MONEY ARE IN THE COFFERS TO DEAL WITH IT. THAT'S THE TOUGH PART. IT'S GOING TO TAKE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP DOLLARS.

FOUNDATIONS, WHATEVER IT MEANS. I'M EXCITED TO WORK AT THE PLACE NOW. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THOSE. PROTECTING THOSE WINDOWS ON AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION I HAVE OTHER IDEAS. BUT I WANT IT TO BE A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE. AND TO NOT DIMINISH WHAT WE'RE DOING. AS FAR AS HISTORIC BUILDINGS. YOU HAVE A GREAT PROJECT GOING ON. AND I DON'T BELIEVE -- I DON'T RECALL THAT BUILDING, I SHOULD SAY. I DON'T RECALL THAT BUILDING BEING ON THE NATIONAL HISTORIC REGISTRY. EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE MAKING IT A HISTORIC PLACE TO VISIT.

>> IT HAS HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE.

>> I THINK SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE COVERED ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO AND HOW YOU'RE ENHANCING THAT BUILDING. BUT YOU CAN I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT, TOO. THERE'S OPTIONS FOR YOU.

AND I THINK YOU'LL BE OKAY. YOU JUST WANT TO PRESERVE THE BUILDING LIKE YOU WOULD YOUR OWN HOUSE. AND THAT'S WHETHER YOU'RE FRYING TO DO. BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT IDEA FORWARD. AND WHATEVER IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE. LET'S HAVE AN OFFLINE CONVERSATION WITH ME SPECIFICALLY. RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP AND GET THAT MOVED. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT A LONG TIME. YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN I WAS AT THE COUNTY, TOO. BACK IN THE DAY. SO WHATEVER I CAN DO, LET ME KNOW. THANK YOU.

>> ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH, IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETINGS OF THE IMPROVEMENT OF OUR GATEWAY CORRIDORS INTO THE CITY. AND WE'RE SITTING HERE, TRYING TO GIVE AWAY MONEY TO THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OWNERS OR ANY PROPERTY OWNERS TO ENHANCE THEIR PROPERTIES AND IMPROVE THE VISUAL LOOK OF ORANGE AVENUE, FOR EXAMPLE. AND WE HAVE BEEN SHOCKINGLY UNSUCCESSFUL IN GIVING AWAY A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE'RE STILL SITTING ON. WOULD IT BE PRUDENT TO MAKE ANOTHER INITIATIVE OR GRANT. I KNOW THEY'RE NOW TARGETED AREAS THOSE COMMERCIAL AREAS. INSTEAD OF SITTING ON THE FUNDS, I'D RATHER GET THEM DEPLOYED TO ANOTHER HALF A DOZEN PROJECTS AND CONTINUE TO IMPROVE THE QUARTER. LOOKING TO SPEND THE MONEY. MAYBE WHEN JUST NOT

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PENETRATING THE MARKET. I CAN GO OVER THERE NOW AND SPEND A MILLION DOLLARS IN ABOUT SIX MINUTES. HAVING SAID THAT, DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ANOTHER WHACK AT IT?

>> ABSOLUTELY, SIR. I BELIEVE THAT OUR GRANT PROGRAMS ARE OPEN UNTIL THE FUNDS ARE EXHAUSTED. HOWEVER, I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE ASPECTS OF THE GRANT PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE ADVERTISED IS THAT THESE ARE REIMBURSEMENT GRANTS. SO THAT CALLS FOR THE APPLICANT OR OWNER OR BUSINESS OWNER TO EXPEND THEIR FUNDS FIRST. AND THAT BASICALLY IS PART OF THEIR INVESTMENT INTO THE IMPROVEMENT. AND WITH THAT COMES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION.

SO I BELIEVE THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY YOU'RE NOT JUST HAVING REIMBURSEMENT PROGRAMS HERE. WE WENT UP AND DOWN ORANGE. TRYING TO GET FOLKS TO PARTICIPATE. AND WE DID NOT HAVE MUCH PARTICIPATION. SO WE EXPANDED IT TO THE ENTIRE FPRA PROGRAM. AND I THINK WE HAVE MAYBE 35, 40 PARTICIPANTS NOW.

IN THAT PROGRAM. IN OUR COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANT PROGRAM. AND YOU SEE WHAT WE HAVE THUS FAR. BUT WE WILL KEEP THIS OPEN AND CONTINUE TO ADVERTISE UNTIL PHONES ARE

EXHAUSTED. >> THANK YOU, NICK.

>> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO GO THERE. FIRST, LET ME THANK STAFF FOR THE WORK THEY'VE DONE WITH THAT. SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FACADE GRANTS. I THINK WHAT WILL HELP IN THIS ROUND IS PEOPLE WILL NEED TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE FOR FACADES, RIGHT?

>> I THINK IF WE CAN HELP THEM. JUST PUTTING SHRUBBERY OUT IN PAINT. AND WHAT DO YOU CALL? MULCHING? AND THAT TYPE OF THING. I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE MAY NEED THAT HELP TO UNDERSTAND WHAT KIND WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND I THINK IF WE CAN MAYBE ADVERTISE THAT AS A RESULT OF WHAT COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANTS CAN BE REIMBURSED FOR. IT MAY HELP ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF A PLACE THAT I GO TO A MEETING. AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A PHONE CALL ON THE WAY HOME. THAT THERE COULD BE OPPORTUNITY FOR A FACADE. AND I THINK PEOPLE NEED A LITTLE HELP WITH THAT, AS TO WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND I THINK WE MAY GET A BETTER RESULT. AND I THINK WE SHOULD REALLY MAKE AN EFFORT TO GO ALONG THAT CORRIDOR AGAIN. AND KEEP BEATING THIS DRUM UNTIL THAT MONEY IS PUT OUT THERE. AND WE GET A DIFFERENT RESULT THAN

WHAT WE'RE DOING. >> ANYBODY ELSE? ON THE -- I JUST WANT TO SAY ON THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY. I KNOW THAT THEY HAD THAT IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS. AND THEY, OF COURSE, ARE, LIKE ANY CHANGE. IT'S HARD. BECAUSE LIKE WHAT?

THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT? >> AND YOU REMEMBER? I THINK YOU WERE THE COUNTY THEN. BUT THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO CLOSE THAT MUSEUM. AND THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY SAID, WE'LL RUN IT. SO

IT'S RUN BY VOLUNTEERS. >> RIGHT.

>> THERE'S NO PAID STAFF THERE, EXCEPT FOR HARRY. AND SO HE'S KIND OF THE LINK. SO I THINK -- I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND I THINK -- I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, IN TERMS OF THE MAINLAND AND BEING MUCH MORE OF A PRESENCE, INSTEAD OF

HAVING TO REALLY FIND IT. >> RIGHT.

>> YOU HAVE TO FIND IT, RIGHT? SO -- BUT THEY GOING TO -- IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME PERSUASION.

>> YES. >> AND SOME CONVINCING.

LAUGHTER ] >> WHAT SHALL WE SAY?

>> THE FUNNY PART IS, DURING DISASTERS, THERE'S ELEMENTS OF, OH, BY THE WAY, WE NEED TO WHEEL A GENERATOR OUT TO THE SITE BECAUSE THERE ARE ARTIFACTS INSIDE.

>> THEY HAVE TO PUT THEM ALL UP. THERE'S A LOT OF --

>> IT'S LIKE WE PUT SHUTTERS UP AND DOWN. THEY HAVE TO DO THAT WITH THE INTERIOR COMPONENTS.

>> RIGHT. EXACTLY. >> BUT THEN WE'RE ALSO TAKING A $25,000 GENERATOR TO A SPOT THAT IS GOING TO BE 8'DEEP IN THE WATER. AND I'M LIKE, ALL RIGHT.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW YOU TOOK YOUR GENERATOR EVERYWHERE.

>> WELL, THE COUNTY DOES. >> I DIDN'T KNOW THE COUNTY

DID THAT. >> LET'S RETHINK THIS. YOU SCRATCH YOUR HEAD AND GO, WAIT A SECOND. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS

TO SOLVE IT. >> AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS NEED TO BE KIND OF LINED UP, RIGHT? BECAUSE VOLT TEARS VOLUNTEERS DON'T THINK ABOUT THAT. THEY THINK THEY HAVE PLENTY OF PEOPLE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO I'M JUST SAYING, IT'S GOING TO TAKE -- I'M GLAD YOU STARTED IN 2016. SO WE

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