Mar 11, 2024 City Commission Conference Agenda

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ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL . CALLED THE

ROLL, PLEASE? >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON JR.? >> PRESENT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> HERE, MA'AM.

[a. Discussion on the Indian Hills Golf Course Expansion Project.]

>> AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? >> I HAVE NOT HEARD FROM HIM.

>> OKAY. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION ON THE INDIAN HILLS GOLF COURSE EXPANSION PROJECT.

>> MADAM MAYOR'S, I WANTED TO HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF GOLF COURSE AND CITY ENGINEER BOTH COME ON UP AND GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE WITH REGARD TO THE A MINISTRY TO COMPLEX RECONSTRUCTION AND RECONFIGURATION FOR THE INDIAN HILLS GOLF COURSE. AS YOU KNOW DURING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE COULD IMPROVE THE ACTUAL DESIGN AND OPERATION OF OUR CLUBHOUSE AT THE INDIAN HILLS GOLF COURSE, BUT WE ARE AT A POINT RIGHT NOW WHERE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD FOR THE PLANNING BOARD OF YOU, AND THEN THE CITY COMMISSION REVIEW, AND ALSO, WE ARE LOOKING TO OBTAIN SERVICES WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO IMPLEMENT THE PLANNED -- PREVIOUSLY PLAN IMPROVEMENTS. SO, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO DANNY AND JACK TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHERE WE ARE , AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK BEFORE WE MOVE ANY FURTHER

ALONG IN THIS PROCESS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. WELCOME.

>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> WE STARTED A CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND A CLUBHOUSE FACILITY. THAT IS WHAT STARTED QUITE A WHILE AGO.

MICROPHONE JUST A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU, PLEASE?

>> YEP. WE HAVE SOME AERIAL SHOTS AND SOME RENDERINGS JUST FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT. SO, THIS IS AN OVERVIEW HERE OF THE PROJECTED PLAN. THE CURRENT FACILITY THAT WE ARE OPERATING OUT OF HERE ON THE RIGHT, THE PICKLEBALL WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE HERE ON THE LEFT SIDE ON THE SCREEN. THE CURRENT DRIVING RANGE IS HERE. IT IS NOTED BY THE CART PATH AREA HERE. THE PROPOSED NEW CLUBHOUSE FACILITY WOULD GO JUST TO THE NORTH OF THE CURRENT FACILITY THAT IS THERE NOW. THE SMALL FACILITY WITH A LITTLE SCREENED IN AREA TO THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, THIS WOULD SCREENED IN AREA. OKAY? PARKING WOULD BE REDONE HERE . THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE PICKLEBALL AREA AS WELL AS THE NEW CLUBHOUSE AREA. WE WOULD STILL HAVE SOME PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE FOR THE OLD CLUBHOUSE STOOD YEARS AGO . THE BUILDING RAY HERE, THIS IS THE POOREST CART LINE, AND THE CLUBHOUSE WOULD BE RIGHT HERE.

THE CART BORN , WE DISCUSSED THE 40 BY 100 BUILDING. IT WOULD JUST BE A CONCRETE SLAB WITH A LARGE -- AND ONE ACCESS DOOR. IT WOULD JUST BE A LARGE CART STORAGE FACILITY . THE CLUBHOUSE, WE TALKED ABOUT DOING 40 BY 80. YOU WOULD OVERLOOK THE PUTTING GREEN , AND HAVE SOME SEATING OUT THERE, AND A BAR AREA OUT THERE. SOMEONE IS GOING FROM 9:00 TO 10:00, THEY WERE PASSED BY THIS AREA, THEY COULD STOP, THEY COULD GET A DRINK, SOMETHING TO DRINK, AND PROCEED. ANY QUESTIONS YOU MET PARK? MADAM MAYOR?

>> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS CONCEPT FORWARD, AND UNDERSTAND MY COMMENTS OF FRONT. I AM VERY PRONE THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE GULF AREA TO INCLUDE PICKLEBALL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT INTO ANY DETAIL SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT THE CLUBHOUSE LOOKS LIKE ONE LEVEL, TWO LEVEL, SO IS THAT COMING

IN A PRESENTATION? >> YES.

>> I WILL WAIT FOR IT THEN, THANK YOU.

>> PROCEED. >> ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OVERALL LAYOUT AT THIS POINT? NO? GOOD. THIS ONE LIKE GRAY AREA, THAT WOULD BE A CART STAGING AREA. OKAY? AS PLAYERS COME, THEY WOULD CHECK INTO THE GOLF SHOP, WALK A RAY HERE, AND PROCEED ONTO THE FIRST HOLE. THAT IS THE ONLY SECTION THAT I

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YOU PROBABLY FIT ANOTHER 40 OR 50 OUTSIDE. THIS AREA THAT GOES AROUND THE PERIMETER, WE WILL PROBABLY NOT HELLO. THAT WAS JUST PART OF THEIR CONCEPT. THAT WILL PROBABLY BE ELIMINATED, THAT PORTION OF IT. THE THOUGHT WOULD BE LARGE ENOUGH TO HOST AN OUTING OF SOME SORT, BUT LARGE ENOUGH TO BE MANAGEABLE. WE GET SOMETHING THAT IS TOO LARGE, IT WOULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. IT WOULD COST US MORE FOR MAINTENANCE.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD COST US MORE FOR STAFFING, SO RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE TWO OF US THAT ARE COMPLETELY THROUGH THE DAYS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE DOING THE MAINTENANCE TO CLEAN.

SO, ADDING A LARGE STRUCTURE WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE WHERE THIS IS CERTAINLY ADEQUATE FROM A DAY TODAY STANDPOINT , AND IT IS ADEQUATE FROM AN OUTING STANDPOINT. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE THOUGHT LOOKING FORWARD TO STAFFING WOULD PRETTY MUCH BE ONE FULL-TIME COOK ONE PART-TIME COOK, ONE FULL-TIME BARTENDER SERVER, AND ONE PART-TIME BARTENDER SERVER. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE MORE THAN ADEQUATE ON A DAILY BASIS. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, IT WOULD BE ONE STORY. ONE LEVEL. ANY

QUESTIONS SO FAR? >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, AND

THEN COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> ON YOUR SITE PLAN THAT YOU WOULD SURE BEFORE WITH ADDITIONAL PARKING, LET'S SAY SOMEBODY COMES IN, YOU HAVE 3200 SQUARE FEET PLUS A PATIO, AND MAXIMUM CAPACITY IS GOING TO BE ABOU 100+, 125. THE PARKING THAT YOU ARE ADDING IS SUFFICIENT FOR THIS FACILITY.

IN THE EVENT THAT SOMEBODY IS RENTING IT FOR A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THEY WILL NOT AFFECT YOUR GOLFERS ABILITY TO PARK IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO OFFLOAD

THEIR STUFF? >> CORRECT. LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL UP THE UNDER RENDERING. I DON'T HAVE THE LARGE-SCALE BUT, BUT ON THE SOUTH SIDE HERE WHERE THE OLD CLUBHOUSE STOOD, IT IS PERPENDICULAR TO THIS BUILDING. THERE IS A GRAVEL TYPE AREA THAT IS UNFINISHED. THAT WAS PROPOSED TO BE FINISHED AS WELL, WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER 40 OR 50 PARKING SPACES TO TIE IN CONJUNCTION WITH WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.

THERE IS PARKING THERE CURRENTLY, AND THEN WE WOULD EXPAND THAT INTO THAT GRAVEL AREA TO ADD ADDITIONAL PARKING.

THERE WOULD BE BASICALLY PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THE

BUILDING. >> MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT IF YOU HAVE FOUR PICKLEBALL KURT , THE FACILITY, WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA, WITH EXPANDED USES AND ET CETERA, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS WILL NOT BE A FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCE FOR YOUR REGULAR PLAYERS AROUND THERE. IF THEY CAN'T GO THERE ON SATURDAYS BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLACE TO PARK, THAT IS THE PERSPECTIVE I AM TAKING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR INTERESTS ARE PROTECTED IN THIS WHOLE MIX.

>> I THINK MOST OF THE PLAYERS , BECAUSE THEY ARE IN SUCH A HABIT OF PARKING ON THE SOUTHSIDE CURRENTLY, THEY WERE CURRENTLY CONTINUE TO PARK THERE. I SEE SOME PEOPLE WHO USE THE DRIVING RANGE, AND PICKLEBALL PLAYERS WILL PARKED ON THERE AS WELL. I SEE MOST OF THE PLAYERS PARKING ON THAT SOUTHSIDE STILL , BUT YEAH, THERE WILL DEFTLY BE SOME

PLAYERS IN THE PARKING AREA. >> SO, THIS IS PART OF THE SCOPE THAT I WANTED TO GET INTO. AS I SEE HERE, YOU ARE BRINGING A WHOLE ANOTHER DYNAMIC OF INDIVIDUALS WHO AREN'T GOLFERS. YOU ARE BRINGING IN THE HOTTEST THING.

PICKLEBALL. RIGHT? MY CONCERN WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS WAS GOING DOWN THE PATH WHERE COMMISSIONER BRODERICK IS GOING. YOU KNOW? AND THEY ALSO EXPRESSED SOME CONCERNS ABOUT

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>> CAPACITY UNDER AIR , IT IS ONE PERSON FOR EVERY 15 SQUARE FEET. WE ARE ROUGHLY 120 UNDER AIR, AND WE HAVE 20 OUTSIDE UNDER THE COVERED AREA IN THE FRONT.

>> IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT. RIGHT? I EXPRESS THAT CONCERN, AND I HEAR THE BALANCE BETWEEN STAFFING , BUT ROOM RENTALS FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS WOULD BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN STAFFING UP FROM THERE, AS WELL AS CHARGING A ROOM RENTAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA COULD BE CALLED A TOTALLY UNRELATED. THAT IS MY CONCERN. HAVE WE EVALUATED THAT JUST FOR KICKS AND GIGGLES JUST TO SEE WHERE WE ARE VERSUS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING? WITH THAT INCREMENTAL OPPORTUNITY

LOOKS LIKE? >> YES AND NO. SOME, BUT NOT

FULLY. >> THIS IS JUST MY TWO CENTS, RIGHT? NOT NECESSARILY SCALE BACK, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT THERE IS A DEMAND RIGHT NOW FOR SPACE FOR EVENTS, AND ORGANIZATIONS TO HOST THEM. IT CAN BE RETIREMENT PARTIES, BIRTHDAY PARTIES, WHATEVER. I JUST THINK THAT THIS MAY BE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY SINCE WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL AMENITIES TO OUR AREA. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THAT EXERCISE, QUITE FRANKLY. TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS CLUBHOUSE, BECAUSE IT IS ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S WHERE THEY SITS

THE CARTS, RIGHT? >> NO. THIS WOULD SIT OVERTOP OF THE CURRENT BUILDING THAT IS THERE NOW. IT'S OVER THE

SCREENED IN PATIO. >> I WAS HAVING PROBLEMS VISUALIZING THAT. BUT THIS CARTS IT TO THE NORTH OF THAT

THEN? >> CORRECT. THIS WOULD BE REPLACING , I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THE CURRENT BUILDING, BUT THAT WOULD GO AWAY. THIS WOULD REPLACE THAT. THIS WOULD

RUN PARALLEL TO THIRD THERE. >> I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. THE ADDITIONAL PARKING MY COLLEAGUE BROUGHT UP ILLUSTRATES WHERE WE ARE , AND THE PLAN GOING FORWARD, IF YOU ADD THAT ADDITIONAL SPACE , LET'S JUST SAY IT SINKS UP TO ANOTHER 100 OR SO PEOPLE. WHERE WOULD WE ACCOMMODATE THAT PARKING, RIGHT? THAT AREA GETS A LITTLE TIGHT. YOU HAVE THE DEMAND OF PICKLEBALL, AND NOW GOLF. THAT WOULD JUST BE SOME OF MY INITIAL CONCERNS.

THAT STRUCTURE ONCE A FACILITY IS BUILT?

>> YES. A PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY COULD UTILIZE IT. IT IS SIZABLE, YOU CAN CHANGE THE SIZING AND DIMENSIONS ON IT, THE WIDTH AND THE LENGTH. SO, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS POTENTIALLY NOT SELLABLE, WE COULD TAKE IT AND DOWNSIZE IT QUITE A BIT AND KEEP IT FOR EXTRA FERTILIZER STORAGE OR SOMETHING OF THAT SORT. MIKE COULD USE IT ON A PUBLIC WORKS. THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM . THE FIRST AND FOREMOST, IF WE COULD

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GOOD. >> SO, MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BROUGHT UP IN DISCUSSION ABOUT PARKING. SO, WHAT ABOUT THE RIGID STRUCTURES THAT ARE BUILT? SO'S OR MAINTENANCE BARNS? ARE YOU KEEPING THOSE FACILITIES?

>> YES. THAT IS A VERY NICE BUILDING. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE AT ALL. THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WOULD GO WOULD BE THE GOLF SHOP THAT WE ARE IN CURRENTLY.

>> OKAY. THE ADDITIONAL PARKING, YOU WILL PICK UP THAT ADDITIONAL PARKING, BUT MAYBE IT IS NOT WHERE THE CART BARN SITS TODAY? BABY THERE ARE SOME INSULAR USES OF THAT RESULTS BASE NEAR THIS NEW CLUBHOUSE AMENITY . IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> BECAUSE YOU'RE CHANGING THE OPERATION TO THE NORTH. YOU WILL NOT EVEN HEALTH GOLF CART

STORAGE LIKE YOU DO TODAY. >> THAT IS CORRECT. IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ON THIRD FROM TH POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND YOU CONTINUE INTO OUR PARKING AREA, WE UTILIZE ANYTHING LEFT TO THE EAST SIDE OF THIRD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ANYTHING TO THE WEST SIDE THERE, THAT IS THE BANK PROPERTY. THAT WAS THE OTHER THOUGHT DOWN THE LINE IF SOMETHING EVER CHANGED WITH THAT PROPERTY. THROUGH THE BANK, OR THROUGH ANYBODY ELSE, THAT WOULD BE LIMITING FOR US. WE CAN UTILIZE ANYTHING EAST

OF THAT. RIGHT? >> I HAVE NOT HEARD WITH THE BANK IS DOING WITH THE PROPERTY AT ALL. SO, WHO KNOWS. RIGHT? BUT IT IS IN PRIVATE HANDS, AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT.

>> RIGHT. REPAVING THAT AREA WHERE THE GRAVEL AREA IS NOW , THAT, AND SOME OF THE CURRENT PARKING THAT IS THERE , YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE QUITE A BIT OF PARKING THERE AS WELL.

>> RIGHT. YOU SHOULD THE ELEVATION OF THE STRUCTURE.

WHAT DOES IT PROPOSE? DOES THAT PROPOSE A MODULAR TYPE UNIT? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WAS OTHER CONSTRUCTION?

>> YOU KNOW, I TRY TO GET SOME INFORMATION FROM THE STEEL BUILDING COMPANIES THAT ARE GOING UP EVERYWHERE NOW JUST FROM THE SPEED STANDPOINT. HOW QUICKLY WOULD THAT BE TO ERECT? OBVIOUSLY THAT WENT OUT FOR BID , IF AND WHEN IT WENT OUT FOR BID, WE COULD LOOK AT A CBS MODEL AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE WOULD BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE FOR US. BUT, JUST TRYING TO KICK SOME OPTIONS AROUND FOR ALL OF US, YOU KNOW? JUST TO SEE WHICH ONE IS OWING TO BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE, AND WHICH WILL GO UP A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.

>> COMMISSIONERS, IN 2018 OR 2019, I BROUGHT FORCE UTILIZING THIS FACILITY IS IN OPERATION TYPE CENTER. IF YOU GO TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DURING A DECLARED EMERGENCY, AND THEY GO TO AN ALPHA BRAVO SHIFT , IT IS VERY CRAMPED. IT'S VERY TIGHT.

THEY HAVE TO FEED THE TROOPS WHILE THEY ARE THERE. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE 2212 HOUR OPERATION . THEY LITERALLY SLEEP ON SITE, THEY ALL GO HOME, AND IT WAS CRAMPED. I WENT THERE IN 2017 DURING HURRICANE WHATEVER THE I STORM WAS NAMED, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME, AND IT WAS JUST EYE-OPENING. IRMA, THANK YOU. IT WAS EYE-OPENING, AND VERY TIGHT. THIS FACILITY IS LITERALLY 1200 FEET AWAY FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO, THAT IS WHY I TALKED ABOUT IT. WE TRIED TO GET SOME GRANTS, WE TRY TO GET SOME OPPORTUNITIES, WE TRY TO LOOK AT OTHER METHODS. WE SUBMITTED PROPOSALS , BECAUSE THAT SHOULD BE A CAT5 FACILITY IF WE ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR OPERATIONS.

IT JUST DID NOT PAN OUT. WHEN I HEARD YOU BRING IT UP THE OTHER DAY IN THIS YEAR'S STRATEGIC PLAN, I WAS IN, LIKE, OH, LOOK AT HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF. THEY WERE GOOD COMMENTS, AND GOOD CONVERSATION. SO, WHAT THAT HAS LED ME TO IS WE NEED YOU HAVE ANOTHER DECISION OF WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SPACE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PARKING GARAGE TOP FLOOR, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS FACILITY AGAIN. WE JUST NEED TO DECIDE WHICH ONE WE LIKED. DO WE WANT A MULTI-USE FACILITY? DO WE WANT TO INVEST MONEY HERE? INVEST MONEY THERE? OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WHEREVER WE COULD , BUT I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO POINTS, RIGHT? DO WE EXPAND THE IDEA OF WHAT THEY ARE GETTING READY TO EMBARK UPON? I AM NOT SURE WE SHOULD, BECAUSE THEY ARE ANY TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD.

RIGHT? THESE HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORTH WITH PLANNING CONCEPTS IN MIND. I LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING VERY MUCH IN TUNE TO THE DESIGN OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. WHAT OTHER CAPACITIES CAN WE UTILIZE AS FACILITY IF WE EVER NEEDED TO ?

>> OF GENERATOR CONNECTIONS. NOT A GENERATOR, BUT A

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THEN, LET'S DO SO. IT'S A GREAT SPOT AND CENTRALLY

LOCATED. >> OFFERS WOULD NOT BE USING

IT. >> NO ONE IS GOLFING DURING

THAT TIME. >> EXACTLY.

>> I THINK THERE ARE MULTIFACETED WAYS WHERE WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR. I LIKE THE FOOTPRINT. I THINK IT IS A GOOD SIZE FOR YOUR OPERATION JUST BASED ON MY EXPERIENCES AND WHAT I SEE. I DON'T THINK THAT IS OUT OF THE REALM.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THE USE OF THE CLUBHOUSE IN THE DAYTIME. DO YOU ENVISION THIS BEING SOMETHING , FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER JOHNSON ESCUTCHEON, IS THIS SOMETHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO RENT IN THE

EVENING? >> WE HAVE A LOT OF GROUPS WHO WILL GO IN TEATIME ORDER. IF COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON IS IN THE SECOND GROUP, HE HAD TO FINISH FOR ME WITH THE LOT SCREW. THAT GIVES ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO GRAB A BITE TO EAT OR SOME SORT. ESPECIALLY FIT INTO THE WARMER MONTHS, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE OUT THERE FOR FOUR HOURS, AND COME SIT ON IT PATIO, AND CONTINUE TO SWITCH TO EAT A CHEESEBURGER.

THAT IS THE REVENUE THAT WE MISS OUT ON. BUT DEFINITELY, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME PARTIES, EVENTS, THINGS OF THAT SORT. THE SIZE AND SCALE, I DON'T KNOW. WOULD THERE BE 40 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE? 100 PEOPLE IN ATTENDANCE? THAT, I DON'T KNOW. BUT BECAUSE THE PROPOSED USE IS CURRENTLY

DAYTIME USE. RIGHT? >> RAY. THE BRINGS A GOOD POINT, MADAM MAYOR , BECAUSE THERE ARE PLACES IN AND AROUND THIS CANDIDATE THAT DO THAT. THOSE KITCHEN FACILITIES ARE EITHER CONTRACTED OUT FOR THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT HAD THE CATERING CONTACT THERE, AND THEY ALLOWED FOR ENTITIES TO RENT THOSE PRIVATE PARTIES, ET CETERA, THAT THEY CATER OUT. I THINK THAT WAS AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCE. I THINK EITHER ONE OF THOSE IS SCALABLE. COMMISSIONER, YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. IF THIS COULD BE A MULTI-STRUCTURAL FACILITY, MAYBE IT IS NOT TWO STORIES, BUT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE RIGHT. WHEN IT GETS DARK, GOLF IS OVER. AT IS THE QUESTION.

ARE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS LET'S?

>> NOT AT THIS TIME. >> DAYTIME ONLY THEN?

>> YES. THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY DOWN THE LINE IF WE EVER WANTED TO DOWN THE LINE. THE CURRENT LIGHTING POLES THAT SHINE ON THE RANGE , NOT THAT THAT IS USED AT NIGHT, BUT THERE ARE LIGHTING POLES THERE THAT WE COULD TAP INTO IF WE EVER WANTED TO LEAVE THE PICKLEBALL COURTS AT NIGHT.

>> GOT IT. >> IS ALREADY A STAR IN THE PICKLEBALL AREA? THERE ARE TWO AREAS DOWN THERE THAT WE WILL PRESSURE WASH PAINT? THERE IS A DRIVING RANGE DOWN THERE , SO THERE ARE SOME STRUCTURES DOWN THERE ALREADY THAT WE COULD TIE INTO , YOU KNOW, AND UTILIZE HER PICKLEBALL RIGHT AWAY.

>> OF THOSE FACILITIES LOCKED AT NIGHT?

>> THEY ARE. >> OKAY.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> JUST A QUICK FOLLOW-UP ON BOTH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S IS COMMENTS. I LIKE TO DO DUAL FUNCTIONALITY , BUT TO GET BACK TO YOUR PRIOR COMMENT , COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON, IS ELECTIVE TO WHAT IS PARTICULAR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME NUMBERS ON THIS, AND I WILL ANSWER SOME MY QUESTIONS. EXPLAIN THIS TO ME CARE RECENTLY, BUT IT ELUDES ME. THE FUNDING MECHANISM ON THIS IS

WHAT? >> FOR FUNDING, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PARKS REVENUE OR THE PARK

FEES. >> OKAY. IT IS NOT GENERAL OPERATING BUDGET MONEY? THAT IS A HIGHLY SEPARATED SCENARIO?

>> THIS WILL NOT BE FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND, AND IT IS OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARIES OF THE FBI.

>> RIGHT. THAT SHIFT THAT BURDEN AWAY FROM ALL THE OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS THAT WE HAVE. LASTLY, I WILL COME BACK AND REINFORCES PARKING ISSUE. I GET IT. I NEED TO START FOCUSING ON OTHER THINGS IN LIFE. BUT THIS WILL BE MY THING. YOU HAVE 33 SPACES IN YOUR NEW LOT. 32, 33 SPACES. I DISCOUNTED THEM UP. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT 40 SPACES IN THAT LOT. YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF 73. YOU HAVE 20 PLAYERS POTENTIALLY IN THE PICKLEBALL COURTS, PEOPLE IN THE RESTAURANT, PEOPLE ARE PLAYING GOLF, ET CETERA. 73 PARKING SPOTS IS GOING TO GET EATEN UP PRETTY QUICK. YOU WILL

HAVE TO CONTEMPLATE MORE. >> SURE. I CAN COME BACK AND GET YOU A BETTER NUMBER ON THE SOUTH.

>> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. WHAT I DO WANT TO SEE IS YOU GET THIS FACILITY, AND PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T

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>> OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? >> THERE WAS A QUESTION ON

STORM WATER? NO? >> WELL, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT STORMWATER, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION

AFTERWARDS. >> WHY ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME,

COMMISSIONER? >> I HAVE NO QUESTIONS ON STORM

WATER. >> THERE IS YOUR TOPIC.

>> WILL BE TREATED ON SITE? THANK YOU.

>> WHAT ARE THE GREENS WITH THAT I AM ASSUMING?

>> THE ONLY OTHER POINT THAT I HAD WAS IN REGARDS TO THE NETTING, I KNOW THAT THAT HAS COME UP, WHICH IS AN EYESORE, I GET IT. IT'S TERRIBLE. THE ONLY THING HOLDING THE NETTING UP CURRENTLY IS THE PRODUCTION OF THE NETTING ITSELF, BECAUSE IT IS CUSTOM-MADE FOR THOSE SIZES. THEY ARE PROTECTING THE NETTING BETWEEN THE 16TH IN THE 20TH OF THIS MONTH. EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN PLACE. WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, THE MANPOWER, ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE NEEDED TO FINISH THE NETTING ARE READY TO GO. WE ARE JUST WEDDING WAITING ON THE ACTUAL NETTING. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE 16TH THROUGH THE 20TH OF MARCH. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, I AM TOUCHING BASE WITH HIM EVERY WEEK TO TRY AND

GET AN UPDATE. >> THAT BRINGS ONE LAST POINT.

BECAUSE THAT IS A FULLNESS DRIVING RANGE, RIGHT? WHAT IS YOUR FAR POINT DISTANCE? IS IT OVER 300?

>> 300. >> IF WE WERE REALLY CRUNCHED FOR PARKING, WE COULD SLIDE THAT BACK A LITTLE BIT? MOST GOLFERS OF TODAY'S STANDARDS AND NOT TRYING TO GET 300 YOUR DRIVES OUT THERE. MOST AMATEURS ARE NOT DRIVING A BAR BALL 300 YARDS. RIGHT? I THINK OUR CONSENT ABOUT PARKING COULD BE ALLEVIATED BY CUTTING OUT SOME OF THAT DRIVING RANGE, BECAUSE IT IS A PRETTY LONG RANGE, AND THEN JUST SHIFT EVERYTHING

FURTHER NORTH. >> YOU WOULD NOT NEED A LOT OF

IT. >> YOU NEED A LOT, BUT YOU DON'T NEED A LOT OF DRIVING RANGE.

>> THAT'S A GOOD SOLUTION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> MADAM MAYOR, CITY COMMISSION, I HEARD A REQUEST FOR AN EVALUATION OF A SECOND STORY OR SECOND FLOOR OF THE FACILITY?

>> I WOULD LIKE THAT. >> WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO POSTPONE WE ARE DOING NOW , CONTINUED ON WITH THAT EVALUATION, GET TO THE MARKET STUDY, AND THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS? HOW WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PROCEED?

>> I BROUGHT THAT UP. I AM COMFORTABLE NOW . THIS SPACE MIGHT BRING OPPORTUNITY, BUT I DO WANT TO HOLD US UP. THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. IF IT WAS THOUGHT OF AN ALREADY THERE, AND YOU CAN COME TO ME AND SAY HEY, THIS WILL COST AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT I AM NOT LOOKING TO DELAY MOVING FORWARD. SINCE I BROUGHT THAT UP, I CAN MOVE ON

FROM THAT POINT. >> AND ALSO, I DO THINK WE ARE ALL INTERESTED IN THE MULTIPURPOSE ASPECT OF IT. ARE

WE INTERESTED IN THAT? >> I AM, FOR SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REQUIRES FURTHER INVESTIGATION AND MATERIALS IN

MORE STURDY BUILDING? >> IS THAT WHAT WE ARE

THINKING? >> YES.

>> MADAM MAYOR ? A MENTION OF A STEEL BUILDING CAME OUT THIS MORNING, AND I THINK THAT ENCOMPASSES A BLOCK O SOME COMBINATION OF STEEL STRUCTURE WITH CONCRETE BLOCKS , FOUR FEET HIGH, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE VARIOUS OPTIONS. IT WILL MEET THE DESIGN CODE BASED ON ITS LOCATION NO MATTER WHAT. IF YOU GET TO, WHAT IS THE WORD? FORTIFY A BIT TOO MUCH, AND MIGHT BE OUT OF THE COST RANGE.

>> RIGHT. >> SO YOU NEED TO ELABORATE WHAT IS COMING THROUGH. SO, YOU WILL INSULATE IT NO MATTER WHAT, BECAUSE IT IS CONDITIONS BASED.

>> BUT IT IS IDEAL FOR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING DURING A DISASTER, RIGHT? AS YOU'RE SO CLOSE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? IT IS IDEAL FOR THAT MULTIPURPOSE.

>> MY CONVERSATION WITH THE COMPANY , WITH A STEEL BUILDING COMPANY, THEY SAID IT COULD NOT LOOK LIKE TWO LARGE SHEDS AESTHETICALLY. THEY HAVE A PROCESS THAT IS A STUCCO TYPE PROCESS SO THEY PUT ON THE OUTSIDE , THE USE IT ON THE FIRST THREE OR FOUR FEET OFF THE GROUND. AESTHETICALLY, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BIG SHED. WHEN I SAY STILL BUILDING, I DON'T WANT TO ARTICULATE THE WRONG CONC

>> MADAM MAYOR, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE TWO CHOICES. I BELIEVE THE CURRENT DESIGN WOULD REQUIRE US TO MEET THE CURRENT FLOOR TO BUILDING CODE, WHICH IS MUCH MORE RIGID THAN THE FLOOR TO BUILDING CODE THAT THE CURRENT POLICE STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED UNDER. WE CAN LOOK AT HARDENING THIS STRUCTURE TO ACT AS SOME SORT OF A PROTECTIVE STRUCTURE, OR WE CAN UTILIZE THE CURRENT FLOOR TO BUILDING CODE, AND USES JUST AS

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WOULD LIKE US TO PROCEED. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR? >> MAN MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT? THAT'S A GREAT IDEA, NICK. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT FORWARD. THIS BEING THAT IT IS MORE OF A LARGER KITCHEN FACILITY COULD BE THE STAGING FOR MEALS, OR DISTRIBUTIONS RATHER THAN CUTS. THAT IS ANOTHER IDEA. YES, I THINK

THAT IS GOOD. >> LET'S GET SOME BACKUP POWER PUT INTO THIS PLAN RIGHT NOW. JEREMIAH SUGGESTED PORTABLE HOOKUPS. IF WE ARE GOING TO BE USING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THAT IS THE CONCEPT. I DON'T THINK WE WANT THE DELAY OF TIME, EFFORT, ET CETERA. LET'S JUST GET IN THERE NOW AND INCORPORATE IT IN. I THINK WE JUST EXPENDED ABOUT $50,000.00 FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENTS GENERATOR SET UP, SO WILL BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT BALLPARK I WILL SPECULATE . I JUST SUGGEST WE DO IT NOW VERSUS LATER.

>> OKAY. ARE WE DONE? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DON'T HAVE MY AGENDA UP. GIVE ME ONE SECOND HERE. I THINK

[b. Review of proposed amendments to Chapter 24 - Nuisances.]

>> YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY RESPONSE WHO WILL REVIEW THE SEVERAL REVISIONS TO THE ORDINANCE FOR NUISANCE ABATEMENT , AND A VERY COPPERHEADS OF PRESENTATION.

>> THAT MEANS A LOT OF SLIDES.

>> OKAY, GOOD MORNING MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS AREA YES, I DID OF THIS CHAPTER 24 NUISANCE ABATEMENT , BUT IT GETS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THAT. THIS IS PROBABLY THE LONGEST PRESENTATION THAT I HAVE EVER DONE TO THE

COMMISSION. >> NO, YOU HAD ONE ABOUT THE PARKS NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT WAS LONGER.

>> ADOPTED IN 1999. IT'S ABOUT 25 YEARS OLD. JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK BACKGROUND, I STARTED THIS MADMAN TWO YEARS AGO. IT WAS GOING TO BE A MORE MINOR AND MINUTE. IT WAS AS ARTICLES 1 AND TWO. THEN, TYLER MINAS CAME AROUND. WE STARTED BUILDING TYLER MUNIZ BASED ON THE EXISTING PROGRAM. DURING THE TYLER MINAS PRODUCTION, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNIY TO SIT DOWN AND REALLY EVALUATE HOW WE DO THINGS. YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE DO THINGS? AND WE REALIZE THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY CHANGE OUR NUISANCE ABATEMENT PROGRAM. THE ORDINANCE REWRITE GOT PUT ON HOLD WHILE WE WORKED THERE TYLER MINAS, THEN TYLER MINAS GOT PUT ON HOLD WHILE I REWROTE THE ORDINANCE, SO I AM REALLY HOPEFUL THAT THE COMMISSION AGREES WITH ME ON THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE RECOMMENDING, AND THAT I WILL BUILD INTO THE NEW TYLER MINAS SYSTEM. SO, THERE ARE REALLY A LOT OF MOVING PIECES THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS. SO, QUICK SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES , DEFINITIONS ARE FOR CLARIFICATION OF SPECIFIC TERMS ONLY. THE WAY THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN AS IT SAYS ANYTHING DEFINED AS A NUISANCE IN THIS CODE IS A VIOLATION. THE PROBLEM IS LEGALLY, YOU CANNOT BE IN VIOLATION OF A DEFINITION. SO, THE MMN ACTUALLY TAKE THE DEFINITIONS AND MOVE THEM INTO THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN THE ACTUAL DEFINITIONS ARE JUST A SHORT LIST IDENTIFYING SPECIFIC TERMS. OKAY? WE ARE ALSO ADOPTING OR RECOMMENDING THAT THE CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN GETS PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE. IT'S CURRENTLY JUST A RESOLUTION THAT THE CITY ADOPTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO. SO NOW, WE WANT TO ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THERE. IT NOW ACTUALLY OFFICIALLY CREATE A NUISANCE ABATEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH REALLY DID NOT EXIST BEFORE, AND IT CHANGES THE PENALTIES AND LIENS FROM BEING SEPARATE TYPE OF COURT INVESTMENT LANES. I CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I'VE, FOR THE CITY COMMISSION, AND HER THAT THERE ARE NUISANCE ABATEMENT LIENS, WHICH IS DECLARING DEMOLITION, AND THERE IS CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS, AND THEY ARE TREATED SEPARATELY.

THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN NOW, THEY ARE ALL ONE TYPE OF LIEN, THAT WAY THERE IS NO CONFUSION ON THIS KIND IN THE SET OF RULES, AND THIS KIND, AND THE SET OF RULES.

IT'S ONE KIND, AND ONE SET OF RULES. SO, IT MAKES IT EASIER

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AGAIN, THE DEFINITIONS ARE JUST A SHORT LIST. ONE OF THE CHANGES THAT I AM RECOMMENDING IS IN THE MOTOR VEHICLE DEFINITION TO ADD TOAD BEHIND A SELF-PROPELLED VEHICLE. BOAT TRAILERS. WE HAVE THEM ALL OVER TOWN. THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED IN THE CODE. WE HAVE TRAILERS, YOU KNOW, SO I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A MOTOR VEHICLE, WE ARE ALSO TALKING ABOUT A TRAILER.

SO, IT IS NOT SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED. SECTION 24-2 IS VERY SIMPLE. IS JUST CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF DOES THE INVESTIGATION , AND MANAGEMENT REVIEWS OF BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

SO, IS THIS A SIMPLE LITTLE CHANGE ON THAT ONE. ARTICLE TWO, PROPERTY NUISANCES GENERAL, THIS IS WHERE A MOVING THE DEFINITIONS AND WHATNOT. JUST CLEANING UP SOME TERMINOLOGY, ADDING THAT IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON IN CHARGE OF OR ANY OBJECT OR CONDITION IN THE CITY TO ALLOW ANY SUCH OBJECT OR CONDITION OUTLINED BELOW .

THAT IS WHY REPLACE THE WORDS DEFINED AS A NUISANCE TO OUTLINE BELOW TO REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY. SO, IT WAS PREVIOUSLY THE DEFINITIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THAT ORDINANCE . I DID CLEAN IT UP. WE HAD 31 NUISANCE CONDITIONS. I DROPPED IT DOWN TO 21 BY COMBINING SOME OF THEM TOGETHER, AND THINGS THAT WERE SIMILAR ARE NOW IN ONE. AND THEN, I DELETED SOME THINGS THAT WERE JUST OLD AND UNENFORCEABLE, SUCH AS A FENCE DECENCY. THAT'S REALLY HARD TO ENFORCE. SO, IT'S ILLUMINATING SOME OF THESE TERMINOLOGIES THAT, AGAIN, IS 25 YEARS OLD, AND SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED OVER TIME. ARTICLE TWO, THE FILE IS SHE LIST CHANGES , AND I HAVE THE ORDINANCE OF A DIVORCE TO BRING IT UP , BUT I WILL SUMMARIZE IT AS QUICKLY AS I CAN. THERE ARE QUICKLY NO CHANGES EXCEPT FOR MERGING CODES TOGETHER. THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE CONTENT.

SUBSECTION 14, IT PROVIDES THE OPTION OF A DESIGNATED PARKING AREA FOR PROPERTIES THAT DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING. WE HAVE SO MANY PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT'S, NUMBER ONE, SOME DON'T EVEN HAVE A DRIVEWAY, AND SOME THAT DO HAVE A DRIVEWAY WERE BUILT LONG AGO WHEN YOU MIGHT'VE HAD ONE CAR, MAYBE TWO, AND NOW, YOU HAVE A FAMILY WITH FOUR CARS . SO, IT DOES ALLOW YOU TO CREATE A DESIGNATED PARKING AREA THROUGH THE USE OF LANDSCAPING MATERIALS, OR GRAVEL, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, YOU ARE NOT PARKING ON THE GRASS, BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY PERMIT PROCESS. YOU'RE JUST PROVIDING SOME DESIGNATED PARKING AREAS TO ALLOW FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WERE JUST NOT BUILT FOR CURRENT VEHICLES. SOME OF THE TRUCKS NOW ARE BIGGER THAN SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS. SO, IT DOES PROVIDE THAT. SUBSECTION 15 IS A SECTION THAT PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED NON-OPERABLE OR UNLICENSED VEHICLES ON ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THIS CHANGES IT SO THOSE TYPES OF VEHICLES ARE ALLOWED ONLY ON COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE AN AUTOMOBILE, TRUCK, OR MOTOR VEHICLE BUSINESS. SO, IT TAKE THE GENERAL COMMERCIAL OUT, AND SAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BUSINESS FOR AUTOMOTIVE TYPE BUSINESSES TO HAVE THAT ON OPERATIVE VEHICLE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES?

>> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THE SECTION , UNLESS YOU WANT

ME TO WAIT? >> NO, GO AHEAD.

>> BACK TO SUBSECTION 14, AS IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING NOW , YOU SAID THAT THERE IS A DESIGNATED PARKING AREA. AND I AM PASSING SOME HOUSES THIS MORNING GETTING HERE . SO, ARE WE SAYING NOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK AND HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS OR PEOPLE AT THE SMALL LOTS THAT DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY? AS YOU SAY NOW, THERE IS A FAMILY THAT AFFORDS EACH CAR , THEY WILL HAVE TO COME IN AND TRY TO DESIGNATE A PARKING SPACE ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND THAT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN

PARK THEIR CARS? >> YES. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, RIGHT NOW, OUR CODE SAYS YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PARK ON THE SO, IF YOU HAVE A DRIVEWAY, AND YOU HAVE FOUR VEHICLES, YOU PART TWO IN THE DRIVEWAY AT TWO ON THE GRASS NEXT TO THE DRIVEWAY, YOU ARE ON VIOLATION OF THE CODE. SO, WITH THIS IS ALLOWING IS FOR YOU TO USE LANDSCAPING MATERIALS, SO THERE IS NOTHING PERMANENT, BUT YOU CAN THEN DESIGNATE AN ADDITIONAL PARKING AREA ON YOUR PROPERTY. THAT WOULD KEEP YOU OUT OF VIOLATING MY PARKING ON THE GRASS.

>> I GET THAT. MY QUESTION IS, IF THESE FAMILIES ARE PARKING ON THE GRASS, AND HAVE NOT PUT A DESIGNATED DRIVEWAY OR GRAVEL OR MATERIALS ON THE PROPERTY , ARE WE GOING TO FIND OUT, YOU

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THAT IS WHAT OUR CODE SAYS. NOW, WE REQUIRE YOU TO GO OUT AND TRY TO GET SOME TYPE OF LANDSCAPING MATERIALS DONE, OR IF NOT, WE ARE GOING TO START FIGHTING FOR PARKING YOUR CAR

IS ON YOUR PROPERTY. >> THAT IS CORRECT. CURRENTLY, WE ARE TELLING THEM THEY ARE IN VIOLATION, AND NOT GIVING THEM ANY OTHER OPTIONS. WE ARE TELLING THEM THEY EITHER HAVE TO INSTALL A FULL DRIVEWAY, OR I WILL BE FINDING YOU. THIS GIVES A MIDDLE ROAD. RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE JUST IN VIOLATION WITHOUT ANY OTHER OPTIONS. AND SO, WE DO UNDERSTAND AND IDENTIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAVE CHANGED. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MORE, LARGER VEHICLES , SO RIGHT NOW, INSTEAD OF THEM JUST BEING IN VIOLATION , AND ME FINDING THEM AND FINDING LIEN ON THE PROPERTY, WE ARE GIVING THEM ANOTHER OPTION OTHER THAN INSTALLING A FULL DRIVEWAY.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPTIONS TO HELP THESE FAMILIES IN THESE DISTRICTS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DESIGNATE A PARKING SPACE OR COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO PUT THE GRAVEL OR ANYTHING ELSE IN? I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE TAKING THE WORD DRIVEWAY OUT, AND PUTTING IN DESIGNATED PARKING, BUT ALL I SEE IS MORE FINES COMING, BECAUSE NOW, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO PARK ON THE GRASS , NOT EVEN ABLE TO AFFORD A DESIGNATED PARKING. SO THEN, THE FINES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE.

>> IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW , THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION FOR THEM. I JUST FIND THEM. SO, I WANT TO PROVIDE THAT OPTION. IT'S THE OPPOSITE. WE ARE GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO NOT BE IN VIOLATION.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IF YOU GIVE THEM THE OPTION OF DESIGNATED PARKING IN THE CAN'T AFFORD IT IN THE CAN'T DO IT, THE FINES ARE NOT GOING TO STOP. THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTION. THEY WILL EITHER HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME MONEY, TRY TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT HAS EVER BEEN ON PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE 40, 50, 60 YEARS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU WILL TELL ELDERLY'S ARE PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED TO GO TO TRY OUT AND FIND SOME TYPE OF MONEY TO DESIGNATE A PARKING SPACE, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PARK YOUR

CAR ON YOUR PROPERTY. >> YES, SIR. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROVIDING AN OPTION THAT IS NOT THERE NOW.

RIGHT NOW, YOU PARK IN THE GRASS, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION, AND FINES WILL RUN. SO, THIS PROVIDES AN ALTERNATIVE OTHER THAN REQUIRING THEM TO PUT IN A FULL DRIVEWAY. THIS IS ACTUALLY HELPING. RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE JUST IN VIOLATION BY

PARKING ON THE GRASS. >> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, IF I CAN JUMP IN FOR JUST A SECOND? I AM SORRY. CURRENTLY, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, COMMISSIONER, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS , YOU HAVE TO PARK IN THE DRIVEWAY. IF YOU'RE PARKING IN THE GRASS, IT IS IN VIOLATION OF OUR CODE.

PEOPLE GET FINED FOR THAT. RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVEWAY. SO, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IS PROVIDING ALTERNATIVE WAYS IN WHICH PEOPLE CAN PARK SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN A DRIVEWAY, AND BE WITHIN THE CODE. OBVIOUSLY, YOU ALL DECIDE WHAT THE RULES ARE. THIS OPTION IS A BETTER OPTION FOR OUR RESIDENTS . IT IS WITHIN YOUR POWER IF YOU WANT TO SAY WE WANT TO ALLOW PARKING ANYWHERE ON YOUR PERSONAL PROPERTY. YOU CAN DO THAT. BUT WE SEE QUITE FREQUENTLY IS THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH PEOPLE GETTING THESE VIOLATIONS IS TYPICALLY NUMEROUS VEHICLES PARKED ALL OVER PROPERTIES. MR. REYES CAN PROBABLY SPEAK BETTER TO WHAT SHE SEES MORE FREQUENTLY THAN WHAT I DO, BUT THE WEIGHT THE CODE IS CURRENTLY WRITTEN, THIS IS NOT A CODE WRITTEN TO WHERE THEY CANNOT DO THAT, THEY ALREADY CANNOT DO THAT. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE.

>> MADAM ATTORNEY, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE PROPERTIES AND HOUSES BUILT THAT HAVE BEEN THERE LONGER THAN 25 YEARS . THIS CODE WAS BUILT WITHOUT DRIVEWAYS. LIKE I SAID , THERE ARE NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW DEVELOPMENT, ALL OF THAT, I UNDERSTAND THIS. I'M CONCERNED WITH, I KNOW PERSONALLY, ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THEIR HOUSES 40, 50, 60 YEARS THAT DON'T HAVE A DRIVEWAY , NOW WE WILL COME BACK AND TELL THESE ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT YOUR SON,

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DESIGNATED AREA. OH, MY GOD DESIGNATED AREA. THE DESIGNATED AREA, OKAY, IF WE WILL HAVE THESE TWO SPOTS IN FRONT OF THE DOOR , THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE OF THE GRASS AND PUT SOME KIND OF MATERIAL THERE TO MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE A PARKING LOT. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS SAYING?

>> CORRECT. THE RULES SAY YOU CANNOT PARK ON THE GRASS. ONE OF THE BIGGEST COMPLAINTS WE GET IS ABOUT PEOPLE WHO JUST PARK ANYWHERE ON THEIR FRONT LAWN. SOMETIMES, IT IS JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE, AND SOMETIMES IT IS BECAUSE I JUST HAVE TOO MANY CARS. AGAIN, THIS IS HELPING. HAVING DONE THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND IS ANY FRUSTRATION. I HAVE HEARD THE FRUSTRATION FOR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE CITED SAYING YOU CAN'T PARK ON THE GRASS. THEY SAY WHERE MY SUPPOSED TO PARK? I HAVE FOUR CARS, MY DRIVE REALLY HOLDS 1 1/2, WHAT DO I DO? WE HAVE TRIED WORKING WITH PEOPLE, AND IT IS VERY RECEPTIVE TO LOOK, IF YOU JUST TAKE SOME LANDSCAPING, SOME RAILROAD TIES, OR THE LANDSCAPING BLOCKS AND SOME GRAVEL , AND YOU EXTEND YOUR DRIVEWAY OFF TO THE SIDE A LITTLE BIT SEWER NOT PARKING ON THE GRASS ANYMORE , THAT KEEPS YOU OUT OF VIOLATION, AND IT HAS BEEN WELL RECEIVED BY THE PEOPLE THAT I WORKED WITH. BUT THE CODE RIGHT NOW IS VERY RESTRICTIVE. IT SAYS YOU CANNOT PARK IN THE GRASS. THAT IS WHAT THE CURRENT CODE SAYS. AND IT IS A FREQUENT COMPLAINT THAT I GET FROM PEOPLE. SO, WE ARE TRYING TO FIND A COMPROMISE TO ALLOW SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING WITHOUT GOING TO THE POINT THING WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT A

HOLD OF DRIVEWAY. >> OH BACK TO THE CURRENT CODE.

YOU SAY YOU SUGGEST TO PEOPLE THAT THEY PUT IN -- TAKE OUT THE GRASS? OR PUT IN RAILROAD TIES, AND THEY CREATE A DESIGNATED AREA? RIGHT NOW, IS THAT LEGAL?

>> THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE INCLUDES IT IN HER ORDERS. SHE CAN MAKE THOSE TYPES OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> IT'S A COMPROMISE. IT'S NOT IN THE CODE.

>> IT'S NOT THE CODE, IT IS A COMPROMISE?

>> I THINK WHAT IS TRYING TO BE DONE IS PUT THE CODE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING SO THAT WE AREN'T BEING OVERLY RESTRICTIVE ON THE RESIDENCE. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A CONFERENCE AGENDA, SO WHATEVER YOU ALL DECIDE THE DIRECTION YOU WANT THE STAFF TO GO IN, THAT IS WHY IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU FOR

YOUR INPUT. >> MADAM MAYOR, I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY IT. WE WANT THE ORDERS TO COME ALONG, AND HE UNDERSTANDS, WE'LL GET A CHANCE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS PRIVATELY. THIS IS OUR OPEN DISCUSSION NOW. NOTHING IS BEING DECIDED. WE ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS BROUGHT UP. TO FURTHER MY UNDERSTANDING OF THIS IS THAT I WOULD LIKE SOME BACKGROUND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS FAR AS THIS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW EVERY ORDINANCE OUT THERE. I KNOW ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS SITTING APPEAR, BUT IF WE HAVE BEEN FINDING PEOPLE WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND . I THINK THE COMMISSIONS WOULD APPRECIATE IT TO HAVE A SCOPE OF THIS, AND THEN, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE ARE OUR MAIN CONCERNS WITH THIS. RIGHT? WHAT ARE THOSE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN HEAVILY CHALLENGED WITH THIS? BECAUSE IT ALSO BRINGS UP HOW WE TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL , COMMERCIAL, RELIGIOUS THROUGHOUT OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS IN THERE AS WELL WITH AUTHORITY . WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE? IF THIS IS A HOUSING AUTHORITY TO ANSWER THIS FIRST, IF THEY ARE INSIDE THE CITY, THEY ARE UNDER THE SCRUTINY AS WELL. CORRECT?

>> YES, SIR. >> I AM ASSUMING THIS IS RESIDUAL HOUSING, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. AND THEN HE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT WERE PEOPLE CURRENTLY PARK RIGHT NOW, AND YOU SAID SOMETHING ABOUT IN THEIR FRONT YARD, I GUESS . IS THIS TO ASSUME THAT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT PARKING WHAT WE WOULD DESIGNATE I GUESS THEIR FRONT DOOR , AND THEY PARK AROUND THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSE IF IT IS FENCED IN OR WHATEVER , AND IT IS ON THEIR PROPERTY, IS THAT STILL AN AREA THAT WOULD BE A

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>> WHAT I DID AS I PULLED UP THE CODE SO THAT WE CAN SEE IT.

WHAT IS IN BLACK IS WHAT IS IN THE RULES RIGHT NOW. A MOTOR VEHICLE KEPT IN THE FRONT YARD OF A RESIDENCE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RESIDENCES ONLY, ON OTHER THAN PAVEMENT, UNLESS PARKED IN A DRIVEWAY. THE FRONT YARD IS FROM THAT FRONT WALL FORWARD.

SO, YES. IF YOU PULLED TO THE SIDE OR BACK , THAT IS FREE PARKING. I DO NOT REGULATE THAT. I ONLY CHECK WHAT IS THE FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND FORWARD.

>> OKAY. >> WHAT THIS IS DOING IS ADDING AN EXCEPTION. OKAY? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW YOU IT SAYS YOU CAN'T PARK IN THE FRONT YARD UNLESS YOU ARE IN A DRIVEWAY.

>> GOT IT. >> I AM ADDING AN EXCEPTION THAT ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR PARKING.

BECAUSE THE RULE RIGHT NOW SAYS YOU CAN'T DO IT.

>> SO, THAT IS HELPFUL A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME YARDS THAT ARE NOT DESIGNED TO HAVE A BACKYARD OR EVEN BE ACCESSIBLE TO GET TO THE BACKYARD. I GET THAT NOW, RIGHT? BUT I THINK ALSO, THE STANDARD OF AT LEAST TRYING TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE HAVE A CITY THAT -- WELL, NOT COMPLETELY UNIFORM, BUT HAS SOME TYPE OF CHARACTER TO IT, RIGHT? I THINK THAT IS WITH THE INITIAL PREMISE OF IT IS , YOU KNOW, AND THIS WILL BE AN EXERCISE THAT WE WILL DISCOVER THAT JUST SOME PROPERTIES JUST DON'T HAVE IT. RIGHT? WE HAVE TO AS COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT, BECAUSE THE INFIELD PART OF OUR OLDER CITY , THE CITY ITSELF, THE STRUCTURES JUST AREN'T THERE. I HAVE A 50 FOOT LOT OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT THEY HAVE TURNED SIDEWAYS ON AND PUT A DUPLEX ON. SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY PARK OVER THERE QUITE FRANKLY. IT IS IN THE FRONT OF MY MIND. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS THAT, AND I'M SITTING THERE, LIKE, OKAY, THAT IS INTERESTING. OKAY, A SIDEWAYS DUPLEX. RIGHT? WE HAVE A LOT OF SIDEWAYS DUPLEXES , BUT I HAVE ALSO SEEN WHERE THERE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE RIGHT NOW ON 17TH STREET . THEY PUT IN SOME IMPERVIOUS WITH CROSS TIES, AND DESIGNATED SOME PARKING FOR THOSE DESIGNATED RESIDENTS. AGAIN, SOME OF THIS , THAT IS ANOTHER QUESTION.

WILL THEY GO TO THE RESIDENCE ? IN A LOT OF CASES, PEOPLE ARE RENTING. SO, IT IS THE OWNER THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS

PARKING SPACE? >> IT IS ALWAYS THE OWNER.

>> OKAY, YES. I AM DONE. >> MADAM MAYOR, AND THE COMP

LOCATED SITUATION -- >> BUT YOU ARE ABOUT TO.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH THIS POTENTIAL REVISION, BECAUSE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CREATING AN IMPERVIOUS AREA WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL LOT. THAT WILL REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT, AND ACTUALLY, IT SHOULD BE APPROVED THROUGH THE CITY ENGINEER. I DON'T THINK JUST THROWING UP SOMETHING AND JUST MAKING IT HAPPEN IS THE RIGHT IDEA WHATSOEVER. THIS NEEDS TO BE A PERMITTED TYPE STRUCTURE FOR A PERMITTED TYPE IMPROVEMENT THAT THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE HOLDING OFFICIAL APPROVE. SO, WE NEED TO START THINKING ALONG

THOSE LINES. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR? >> I WAS GOING TO HAVE IT IN MY NOTE SAYING I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT , AND MY QUESTION IS, IS THAT A FUNCTION OF ENGINEERING IMPLANTING? BECAUSE THIS TALKS ABOUT IMPERVIOUS AREAS BUILT ON TOTAL PERCENTAGE NUMBERS. RIGHT? SO, THAT IS IMPORTANT. AND THE KEY WORD HERE BEING FRONT YARD, YOU MENTIONED IT ALREADY. THAT WAS ANOTHER NOTE OF MINE. YOU KNOW, IF IT IS THE FRONT, IT IS THE FRONT. WE ALL KNOW THAT FRONT FACADE. RIGHT? AND IT IS A CHALLENGE. WE HAVE CHANGED, AS RESIDENCE, AS HUMAN BEINGS, WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH VEHICLES. WE HAVE CHANGED WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO US. SO, EVERYONE IN THE CAR OR EVERYONE IN THE HOUSE GETS A CAR. SO, EVERYONE HAS TO GO THERE DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, AND THEY ARE GETTING JOBS, YOU KNOW, AND COMMISSIONER, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S ALL OVER THE CITY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO STANDARDIZE ON SOMETHING. AND RIGHT NOW, IT SAYS THOU SHALT NOT. AND IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT, THEY HAVE TO FIX IT . AND I KNOW THAT FROM EXPERIENCE IN CONVERSATION, AND I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT IT TODAY. THERE IS

WHERE OUR CODE IS TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, REAL QUICK, I UNDERSTAND THE CODE, AND UNDERSTAND STANDARDIZATION, I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING. IT IS ALMOST LIKE, TO ME, WE HAVE PROPERTIES IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE CITY THAT WERE NEVER BUILT WITH DRIVEWAYS AND WHATEVER. BUT THIS IS MY ONE QUESTION TO

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I DEFER TO MY ENGINEERS, OR WE DON'T KNOW.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR?

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS TO CONSIDER . I THINK THERE ARE SOME MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE PERVIOUS THAN SOLID WITHOUT A DOUBT. I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE MATERIALS OUT THERE THAT HAVE THAT FUNCTION. HERE IS WHERE I DO VERY LITTLE BIT, AND I THINK THAT WE ARE SPECIFIC , AND MESSAGES CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION HERE. BUT WHAT I DON'T SEE HERE IN THIS CODE IS THIS IS ON THE PRIVATE PARCEL SIDE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT A DRIVEWAY PERMIT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ANY CONNECTION OF A DRIVEWAY WITHIN THE ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS IS DIFFERENT TO ME. I DO NOT SEE THIS MATERIAL BEING INSTALLED, AND I HOPE IT DOES NOT GET INSTALLED ALONG THE PUBLIC ROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS IS ON THE PRIVATE PARCELS. IS THAT

ACCURATE? >> YES, SIR, THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I THINK THERE ARE EXPERIENCES WE HAVE HAD WERE SOMEONE HAS HAD A DRIVEWAY, AND THEN THEY WANT TO PARK A VEHICLE RIGHT BESIDE IT. SO, IT ENDS UP BEING A LITTLE , NOT SLAB, BUT QUARTERED OFF AREA TO PUT IN AN ADDITIONAL

VEHICLE. >> THAT WAS COMPLETELY ACCURATE, YES. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I AM HAPPY FOR THIS CONVERSATION, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I AM SHARING WITH THE COMMISSION SOMETHING WE ARE FACED WITH EVERY DAY. THE CODE SAYS THOU SHALL NOT PARK IN THE FRONT YARD. WE SITE PEOPLE, AND THEN THEY SAY, WELL, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? SO I JUST ENFORCE THE CODE AS IT IS WRITTEN. ARE THERE CHANGES TO THE CODE THAT WE CAN MAKE ? BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT PARKING ALL OVER YOUR FRONT YARD. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT. SO, WHAT IS OUR MIDDLE GROUND? WHAT CAN WE FIND IN THE MIDDLE GROUND VERSUS YOU CANNOT ? THERE HAS TO BE A MIDDLE SOMEWHERE . THIS IS MY SUGGESTION WAS.

>> AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I FEEL LIKE WE ARE PROVIDING ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. WE ARE PROVIDING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY IN ADDITION TO WHAT THE CODE CURRENTLY SAYS . IT SAYS YOU SHALL NOT, AND YOU SHALL NOT PARK IN THE FRONT YARD IN THE GRASS . RATHER, YOU CAN PARK ON THE SIDE, YOU CAN PARK ON THE REAR OF THIS TALKED ABOUT, YOU CAN DO ALL THOSE THINGS. BUT IT THE INTEGRITY OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY'S , THEY ARE IMPORTANT. THAT IS MAINTAINED THROUGH THE CITY STANDARD , THREE DRIVEWAY PERMIT PROCESS, WHETHER IT IS A CONCRETE DRIVEWAY ABATEMENT, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING SMALL, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE CODE ALLOWS. AND THEN, YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT ON YOUR PROPERTY WITHIN REASON.

RIGHT? SO, WE ARE IN TRYING TO EXPAND UPON THE PARTS OF THE CODE THAT ARE SUPER RESTRICTIVE. AND THERE ARE IMPEDIMENTS TO THIS HAVE BEEN DOING THAT. IF THERE IS A COMPLAINT, COMMISSIONER, ON THOSE WEAPON PARKING IN THE FRONT YARD FOREVER, IT IS A COMPLAINT, AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BUILD A DRIVEWAY. THEY WILL NOT HAVE A CHOICE. THEY WILL GET FINED EVERY DAY, AND IT DOES NOT MATTER THE FINANCIAL CONDITION. BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD A DRIVEWAY IS NOT AN EXCUSE FOR NOT HAVING ONE. AND I AM COMPASSIONATE ABOUT IT, AND I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT IF SOMEONE WERE TO COMPLAIN, THEY WILL BE IN VIOLATION. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE I CAN DO AT THAT POINT. WE ARE DESIGNED TO PROVIDE A MEANS AND METHOD TO HELP THEM OUT I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.

>> AND I'VE GOT YOU, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, BUT THIS IS THE SITUATION I AM DEALING WITH. WE GET COMPLAINTS , AND IF YOU HAVE , AND IT IS PICKED DECEMBER, 7% OF PEOPLE THAT

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I HAVE SOME CONCERNS. I WILL MOVE ON, MADAM MAYOR, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BEAT THIS DEAD HORSE, BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. BUT I HAVE CONCERNS. THE OTHER PART, THE COMMERCIAL PART IN SECTION 15, THOSE ARE THE EMAILS I GET. THOSE OF THE EMAILS I GET WHEN YOU SAY COMMERCIAL, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF PLACES TO HAVE THE CARS THERE. MECHANICS OR WHATEVER. IN MADAM ATTORNEY, THIS IS MY BEEF WITH YOU. IS THERE SOMETHING IN THAT CODE, OR CAN WE THINK ABOUT PUTTING A LIMIT -- IF YOU ARE A MECHANIC , AND YOU HAVE 70 CARS PARKED , YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE NOT GETTING TO THOSE CARS. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE GOT. AND BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE USING THAT THEY ARE A MECHANIC , AND THE CURSOR SITTING THERE YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR , THEN THAT IS A PROBLEM I HAVE. IS THERE ANY TYPE OF DEFINITION TO SAY , OKAY, HERE WE GO. LET ME KNOW.

OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER, THAT IS ACTUALLY ALREADY WRITTEN THE CODE. THE PROBLEM IS THE ENFORCEMENT AND HOW CHALLENGING IT IS TO FORCE.

THIS IS NO UNLICENSED VEHICLE SHALL BE ALLOWED TO REMAIN ON ANY PROPERTY FOR A PERIOD OR AXIS OF 30 DAYS AND IN THE 90 DAY PERIOD. IT'S IN THE CODE. YOU HAVE AN AUTOMOTIVE OR PEER BUSINESS, OR STORAGE LOT , AND IT IS ONLY SUPPOSED TO BE THERE FOR 30 DAYS, BUT THAT IS AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO EDIFY THE VEHICLE, WE HAVE TO HAVE 30 DAYS, AND THEN WE CAN CITE IT. IT IS IN THE CORE CODE, WE JUST NEED TO BE

MORE MINDFUL OF IT. >> AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THIS , AND WHAT THEY WILL DO IS THEY WILL MOVE THE CAR, DAY 29. I AM JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. WILL MOVE THE CAR DAY 29 , OR THEY WILL COME AND BACK THE CARSON LIKE THIS, AND STACK THEM LIKE THIS SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS HARD TO SEE OR WHATEVER.

I'M MISSING WHAT IS OUT THERE. I SEE THE EMAILS I GET. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THIS CODE, AND THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT UP. THEY MOVE THE CARS ON DAY 28 , AND THEY COME BACK AND GO FROM THERE. MADAM

ATTORNEY -- >> MADAM MAYOR'S, COMMISSIONERS, WE FACE A SIMILAR SITUATION WITH THE TWO-HOUR PARKING. WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF THERE IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO RELATED TO THAT. WE LOOK AT THIS PORTION OF THE CODE BEFORE YOU SEE THIS FOR YOUR FINAL REVIEW.

>> THANK YOU. >> CORRECT. THERE IS WORDING IN THERE ABOUT OUTSIDE AN ENCLOSED BUILDING OR INSIDE THAT STORAGE AREA. I DON'T THINK IT IS IN THIS ORDINANCE, BUT IT REQUIRES SCREENING FOR A CERTAIN COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

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WITH THAT. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, AND

THE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON? >> THIS IS A TOPIC NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. WE OWN PROPERTY WHERE THEY HAVE AUTOMOTIVE USES. IT IS A MANAGEMENT NIGHTMARE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT INTO PLAY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE DISABLED VEHICLES THAT ARE THEORETICALLY WAITING FOR A PART BEING SHIPPED FROM MONGOLIA THAT TAKES TWO YEARS TO ARRIVE, WE HAVE RUNINTO THIS PROBLEM. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE SEVERAL YEARS AGO IS TO GET AWAY FROM THESE LOTS BEING USED IS BASICALLY STORAGE LOTS IS THAT THESE VEHICLES NEED TO BE REGISTERED. YOU WOULD BE SHOCKED AT HOW MANY OF THESE VEHICLES ARE SIMPLY UNREGISTERED, LEFT ROTTING, ET CETERA. THE SHOP OWNERS AS WELL, IT BELONGS TO CUSTOMER X. WELL, ARE YOU CHARGING CUSTOMER X TO STORE YOUR VEHICLE ON THE PROPERTY? WE PUT IN MINISTRATION EMPOWERMENT IN PLACE FOR VALID TAGS, ET CETERA , AND I THINK THIS WAS GREAT. IT WOULD HELP ANYBODY IN A PARTICULAR END OF THE BUSINESS TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THIS BETTER, BECAUSE SIMPLY PUT, IT BECOMES AN ATROCIOUS SITUATION . FROM A MANAGERIAL PERSPECTIVE, IT IS VERY, VERY CHALLENGING TO DEAL WITH. IT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS. SO, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT WAY DOWN THAT ROAD TO RESOLVE THIS. I WOULD CONSIDER THE RENOVATION PORTION OF THIS AS WELL IF THEY HAVE ACTIVE PLATES. BUT THAT IS IT. IT IS A

NIGHTMARE. >> SO, THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ASPECT OF MECHANICS, RIGHT? WHAT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL? THAT ARE OPERATING MECHANICS? LEGISLATURE JUST RECENTLY SAID YOU CAN OPERATE A BUSINESS AT YOUR HOUSE. WE BASICALLY PASS THAT LAW LAST SESSION IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. SO, I HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE OF RESIDENTIAL MECHANICS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE.

THAT IS MY CONCERN. IS THAT PART OF REVIEW AS WELL? LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL? BASIL WE JUST HAD A BRIEF DISCUSSION ON ON WHAT CARS ARE PARKED , I SEE YOU ALL CHALLENGED THERE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, SOME OF THESE CARS ARE PARKED ON GRASS AREAS IN FRONT OF HOUSES, ET CETERA.

>> WE CITE THIS ONE ALMOST EVERY DAY.

>> OKAY. >> ALL ON OPERATIVE VEHICLES MUST BE KEPT IN A FULLY ENCLOSED BUILDING. THAT'S IN THE CODE. WE CITE IT EVERY DAY.

>> BACK TO MY EARLY POINTS, WITH THESE SIGHTINGS AND CHANGES , I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE, AND THE HISTORY OF THAT, AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I NEED TO GET THAT

THROUGH MY HEAD. THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

>> YOU HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS ADDRESSED ON THAT, AND I HOPE

YOU ARE TAKING NOTES. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. LET'S GET THROUGH HERE. ALL RIGHT. THIS WAS ADOPTED BY THE RESOLUTION IN 2016, AND I AM NOW INCORPORATING IT INTO THE ORDINANCE. ESSENTIALLY, THE BASICS OF THIS IS THAT YOU CLEAR THE LANDSCAPING FOR BETWEEN YOUR KNEES TO OVER YOUR HEAD , AND THAT STOPS THE LANDSCAPE FROM OVER GROWING TO THE POINT WHERE CRIMINALS CAN'T HIDE AND CRIMINALS CAN'T HIDE THEIR STUFF. THAT IS THE BASICS FOR THE CPTED ROLES. WE TOOK IT FROM THE RESOLUTION AND PUT IT INTO THE ORDINANCE JUST TO MAKE AN OFFICIAL ORDINANCE. THE VIOLATION LIST CHANGES, AGAIN, WE ADDED THE CPTED GUIDELINES, WHICH OF COURSE, HAVE A FEW EXCEPTIONS TAKEN FROM THE RESOLUTION. I DID NOT MAKE ANYTHING NEW, I DISSUADED FROM ONE SPOT TO THE OTHER. WHAT WE DID CHANGE IS TRYING TO ADJUST -- ADDRESS OUR LARGE ACREAGE PARCELS. WE HAVE SOME PARCELS IN THE CITY THAT ARE VERY, VERY LARGE. SO, WHAT WE DID ALLOW FOR IS IT ALLOWS YOU TO ONLY DO 100 FEET BACK TO THE CPTED GUIDELINES FOR EVERY ROAD , ALLEY, OR PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY, AND EVERY DEVELOPED PARCEL.

SO, THIS IS GETTING A GOOD STRIP OF CLEAR AREAS, AND THAT IS ARE PARCELS THREE ACRES OR MORE. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS WHEN YOU GET TO LOWER THAN THREE ACRES, IF YOU HAVE TO DO A 100 FOOT STRIP, IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE ENTIRE LOT.

THAT IS WHY WE USE THE NUMBER THREE ACRES OR MORE. HOWEVER, IF THERE IS A NUISANCE CONDITION RECEIVED SUCH AS A HOMELESS CAMP, WHICH WE GET A LOT, THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED BY THE DIRECTION OF THE APARTMENT. IF THAT MEANS YOU HAVE TO CLEAR MORE THAN 100 FEET TO ADDRESS THE HOMELESS FEET CAMP, THEN THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. AND THEN FOR WETLANDS ARE COASTAL PROPERTIES, IT IS DROP-DOWN TO 15 FOOT WIDE STRIPS , COPY THAT, AND I BELIEVE THEY BOTH

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A MUCH SMALLER AREA. >> REAL QUICK, I WILL BE BRIEF ON THIS ONE. SO, I AM THINKING OF A PARTICULAR LOT NOW. THAT IS WHY REACH OVER AND SPOKE TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO, IF IT IS LARGER, IF IT IS LESS THAN THREE ACRES, THEY HAVE TO CLEAR

THE WHOLE LOT? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A PROPERTY BEHIND THE HOUSE, AND I CAN MEMBER SOME OF THE COACHES FROM THE OTHER TEAMS. LIQUID YOU WILL HAVE GOING ON OVER HERE! THE GRASS IS RIGHT OUT THERE WITH KIDS. I WILL BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

LESS THAN THREE ACRES, THEY CLEAR THE WHOLE LOT, BUT MORE THAN THREE ACRES, THEY JUST GO 100?

>> CORRECT. AND AGAIN, IF YOU TAKE A TWO ACRE LOT AND YOU DO 100 FEET ON EACH SIDE, YOU ARE CLEARING THE WHOLE LOT. SO, THAT IS WHERE HE CAME UP WITH THAT THREE ACRES.

>> THANK YOU. >> SO THEN, ARTICLE THREE, THIS ACTUALLY CREATES A NUISANCE A BETA PROGRAM, AND I AM NOT REAL BIG ABOUT SLIDES, BUT I WILL READ THIS ONE BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT. IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE OF THE CITY, THE CITY COMMISSION FINDS IT NECESSARY THAT LANDS AND PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY BE CLEARED OF SUBSTANCE IS AND MATERIALS, WHICH PRESENT A FIVE , HAZARD, OR OTHERWISE HAVE HEALTH HAZARD THAT ARE CONSIDERED TO BE UNSAFE IN A NUISANCE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. THERE HAS HEREBY BEEN ESTABLISH A NUISANCE ABATEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEBATING PUBLIC NUISANCES TO FIND IN SECTION 2419 IN THIS CHAPTER. THE OWNER OF ANY PROPERTY LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IT CREATES, SUFFERS, OR PERMITS A NUISANCE TO EXIST UPON HIS OR HER PROPERTY SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ABATING -- FOR ABATING A NUISANCE, AND IF THE OWNER FAILS TO OBEY THE NUISANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NOTICE PURSUANT TO THIS CHAPTER, THE CITY MUST ABATE THE NUISANCE, AND THE CITY WILL BE REIMBURSED FOR THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ABATEMENT PURSUANT TO THE CHAPTERS FOR THE RECOVERY OF THOSE COSTS. THAT IS WHAT CREATES THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT PROGRAM. COMMISSIONER GAINES IS FILING.

I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THAT. >> THAT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> RAY.

>> WE ALSO HAVE SITUATIONS ON PUBLIC.

>> CONTINUING WITH THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT PROGRAM, IT IS OF THE MENTAL MEANS OF ENFORCEMENT. BECAUSE PUBLIC NUISANCES ARE ALSO A CODE VIOLATION , AND WE CAN ADDRESS IT BY ONE, THE OTHER, OR BOTH DEPENDING ON HOW THE SITUATION GOES. BUT IF WE DO DO BOTH , ONCE THE NEWS IS ABATEMENT IS A BETA, THE CODE VIOLATION OF THE FACE-OFF AT THE SAME TIME. NOW, SECTION NUMBER THREE IS SOMETHING THAT ORDERS ARE DONE, WHICH IS A NEW PROCESS WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING, IT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT THIS ORDER IS EFFECTIVE FOR TWELVE-MONTH PERIOD SO, LET US TALK ABOUT GRASS, OKAY? IN THE SUMMER, IT GROWS EVERY OTHER DAY. BUT THE ORDER IS EFFECTIVE FOR TWELVE-MONTH PERIOD SO, WE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO THE ENTIRE PROCESS ALL OVER AGAIN THREE OR FOUR TIMES A YEAR. WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT ONCE A YEAR FOR SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE JUST BEEN ABANDONED. THE ORDERS EFFECTIVE FOR 12 MONTHS. NOTICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE OWNER IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER. WE ARE CHANGING THE HOLY WE DO NUISANCE ABATEMENT. CURRENTLY, NUISANCE ABATEMENT, YOU HAVE ALL SEEN IT. I SENT THE NOTICE TO CERTIFIED MAIL, AS IN THE REGULAR MAIL, I POSTED TO PROPERTY, AND IS OF THIS PROPERTY IS A NUISANCE. IF YOU WANT TO CONTEST IT, YOU CAN COME TO ME, AND WE WILL DO A HEARING. WE ARE SWITCHING IT 100%. NOW, WE ARE GOING TO DO IS WE WILL SEND THE NOTICE THE REGULAR MAIL, BUT WE WILL ALSO SCHEDULE IT FOR A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING FIRST. SO, WE WILL POST THE PROPERTY WITH THE HEARING NOTICE, AND THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION. SO, IF YOU CONTESTED, THEN WE WILL SCHEDULE A HEARING. NOW, WE ARE JUST HAVING A HEARING , AND WE WILL HAVE A HEARING AT THE VERY BEGINNING FOR THE FIRST STEP. I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE , WHEN YOU GET A HEARING NOTICE FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, I GET MUCH MORE COMPLIANCE.

>> THIS WILL SPEED UP THE PROCESS.

>> IT WILL SPEED UP THE PROCESS, AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU GET A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, SOME PEOPLE JUST TAKE IT AND VIOLET.

WHEN YOU GET A NOTICE HEARING THAT YOU ARE NOW CALLED TO SIT

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PLAY, BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS. WE GET THIS ONE WAS A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS, AND THEY GET FREE CALLS FROM THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE, I SENT THEM A LETTER SAYING THEY HAVE BEEN BAD, AND THEY GET THE HEARING NOTICE, AND THEY GET THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT THE NEXT DAY. SO, I AM REALLY HOPEFUL THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE A CHANGE IN THE RESPONSE BY CHANGE IN THE PROCESS, AND SCHEDULING OUR RIGHT AWAY FOR A SPECIAL

MINISTRY HEARING. >> MADAM MAYOR, WHAT IS THE TIMING OF THAT? JUST SAID THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SPEEDUP OR INITIATE A SCHEDULED HEARING? SO, TALK TO ME ABOUT THE 30 DAYS THAT WERE BEFORE TO COMPLY, AND THERE WAS A NOTICE SAYING ET CETERA, ET CETERA. WHAT IS THE TIME CHART LOOK

LIKE? >> RIGHT. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE -- SO, SARAH AND I HAVE DISCUSSED WITH A LITTLE BIT, AND WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING JUST FOR THESE WHERE WE WOULD HAVE ONE A MONTH WHERE IT WOULD JUST BE ADDRESSING THESE. YOU HAVE A LIST GOING OUT. IT IS A NEW PROCESS THAT WE WILL HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT, BUT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING -- SO, YOU HAVE THE TIME PERIOD BETWEEN THE NOTICE BEING POSTED IN THE SPECIAL MINISTRY HEARING , AND THAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL GIVE YOU TIME TO CORRECT IT, AND IF YOU DON'T, WILL GO OUT INTO THE VIOLATION. YOU'RE LOOKING AT A 16 DAY WINDOW. AND THEN, THE ORDER STAYS IN EFFECT FOR 12 MONTHS. THAT IS THE BIGGEST CHANGE , AS I DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY THREE MONTHS.

>> WHAT IF IT WAS A MISTAKE AND I GOT A CLEARED ON DAY 25?

>> OKAY. >> WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE SCHEDULE THAT YOU PROPOSED? IT GETS DELETED?

>> YES. >> YOU WILL JUST ASK IT OFF OF

THE AGENDA ? >> WE DO THAT ALL THE TIME. IF YOU EVER WATCH ANY OF OUR SPECIAL MAGISTRATE MEETINGS, WE FIRST READ THE LIST OF THINGS THAT WERE CITED FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, BUT COMPLIED BEFORE IT GOT THERE, AND SOME OF THEM ARE LITERALLY GETTING CHANGE THE DAY OF OR THE DAY BEFORE BECAUSE PEOPLE WAITED UNTIL THE VERY LAST MINUTE, AND THEY WERE JUST WILLING TO COMPLY, AND IT WAS

DONE. >> SO, COPIES SHALL BE POSTED

AT THE PROPERTY? >> YES, SIR.

>> IS THAT REQUIRED? OTHER THAN OUR LAW, IS THAT REQUIRED SOMEWHERE ? WE HAVE TO DO THAT ON REAL PROPERTIES? IS THAT A

STATUTE? >> THERE ARE STATUTES, AND STATUTES RELATED TO IF WE DON'T GET SERVICE BACK WHEN WE HAVE TO POST PROPERTIES. SO, THERE ARE STATUTES THAT AUTHORIZE OR REQUIRE POSTINGS OF PROPERTIES. YES.

>> CHAPTER 162 HAS A NOTICE REQUIREMENT FOR ALL HEARINGS HIM AND IT REQUIRES IT TO BE CERTIFIED FOR ADDRESS ON THE PROPERTY CARD. IF WE DON'T RECEIVE A SERVICE BACK, THAT WE REQUIRED TO POST IT. THIS IS SAYING WE ARE JUST GOING TO DO BOTH. WE WILL JUST POSTED AT THE VERY BEGINNING.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. HERE IS WHY ASK THAT QUESTION.

SOMETIMES, MY CONVERSATIONS INVOLVE THE SIGN BEING UGLY AMENITIES THE PROPERTY, SO WHY DID YOU PUT MORE LITTER ON THE PROPERTY? I AM JUST MAKING A COMMENT OF WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND THAT I AM REGURGITATING WHAT I HAVE HEARD.

>> WHERE I THINK THIS MIGHT BE COMING FROM AS WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE SAY WELL, I DID NOT GET IT IN THE MAIL, I DID NOT KNOW . SO, IF WE ARE POSTING IT ON THE PROPERTY, THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD SAY I DON'T HAVE NOTICE, BECAUSE IT IS THE UGLY SIGN ON YOUR PROPERTY, AND THE UGLY SIGN SOMETIMES GETS PEOPLE MOVING MORE SO THAN RECEIVING SOMETHING IN THE MAIL.

>> AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SITUATIONS, ALSO, WHERE THAT POSTING FOR THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY MAY NOT BE PAYING ATTENTION, AND HER NEIGHBOR IS, AND THE NEIGHBOR KNOWS, SEVERELY REASON THAT THEY KNOW IS BECAUSE OF THAT POSTING.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE A PRETTIER SIGN?

>> NO, I JUST HAVE A NEW ARGUMENT.

>> OKAY. >> NUISANCE ABATEMENT HEARING, THIS IS GOING TO BE NEW. BUT THE HEARING WILL BE HELD FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WILL DETERMINE, A, IF THE NUISANCE EXISTS IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE , IF THIS PROPOSES THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE CITY, AND IF IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THE NUISANCE OF THEM A PROGRAM SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IN ORDER THEM TO PAY A FINE FOR EACH IT AT THE VIOLATION CONTINUES PAST THE DATES TO BE SET FOR COMPLIANCE, AND SHE CAN ALSO ORDER THAT THE CITY MAKE ALL REASONABLE REPAIRS , AND CHARGE THE VIOLATOR FOR THE COST OF REPAIRS. THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE GIVES 30 DAYS FOR THE OWNER TO ADDRESS THE VIOLATION. ON DAY 31, A FINE CAN START, AND THAT FINE WILL RUN DURING MY PROCESS OF GOING OUT TO BID. I HAVE TO GO TO A CONTRACTOR AND FIGURE HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CHARGE ME FOR IT, AND THEN THEY APPROVE IT, AND I HAVE TO GET THERE GUYS OUT THERE AND SCHEDULE IT. LET'S SAY IT TAKES ANOTHER 30 DAYS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. THE FINE CAN RUN

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LOUIS AND VERO. I TOOK PIECES FROM BOTH, BUT IT IS A COMMON PRACTICE TO START AT THE TIME, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY TAKE THE CITY TO GET A LITTLE LONGER TO GET OUT THERE, THAT IS WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS AN ORDER THAT WOULD BE REPORTED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD. SO, IT IS AN OFFICIAL ORDER OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR?

>> I AM FINE WITH THE PROGRAM. WHAT IS THE CITY DOING BEFORE WE DO THIS STUFF? ONCE WE DETERMINE OR IF WE DETERMINE THAT THERE IS AN ELDERLY PROPERTY OWNER , AN ELDERLY PROPERTY OWNER , AND THEY JUST CANNOT -- THEY ARE LIVING BY THEMSELVES, THEY ARE BASICALLY MAKING IT , AND THEY ARE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN , ARE WE DOING ANYTHING TO PROTECT THIS ELDERLY PROPERTY OWNER OTHER THAN ANYTHING? SO THAT AND SAYING HEY, YOU HAVE TO COME IN HERE IN 30 DAYS, AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT, WE WILL DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO, THEN START FINDING THE PROPERTY , PUTTING LIAISON ON THE PROPERTY LEADING TO FORECLOSURE AND SELLING THE PROPERTY. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE GOING. RIGHT? THAT IS WHAT THIS LEASE TWO. YES?

>> LET ME SHARE WITH YOU A QUICK STORY. IN THE ANSWER IS COMMUNE OCCASION IS THE KEY. IF YOU CAN MAKE IT WITH US, WE WILL WORK WITH YOU. WE JUST HAD A CASE WITH AN ELDERLY WOMAN, HER FRONT YARD WAS SEVERELY OVERGROWN , AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE I THINK CONTINUED IT SIX TIMES . BECAUSE EVERY TIME SHE CAME BACK, SHE CLEARED A LITTLE MORE SECTION. AND SHE CLEARED A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO, WE WILL 100% WORK WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS MAKING AN EFFORT OR DOING A LITTLE BIT. SHE HAD SOMEONE FROM THE CHURCH COME OUT AND HELP HER , AND I THINK THE SPECIAL MINISTRY ACTUALLY CONTINUED IT SIX TIMES. IT FINALLY GOT COMPLIED. SO, WE WILL WORK WITH -- I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO RECOMMEND TO THEM. YOU CAN GO HERE FOR HELP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHAT IF YOU COMMUNICATE WITH US, AND IF THERE ARE EFFORTS GOING ON, AND MAY NEPHEW IS COMING DOWN NEXT WEEK, WE ACTUALLY WORK WITH PEOPLE.

>> OKAY. MY FINAL QUESTION WOULD BE, I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT, BECAUSE I AM ENVISIONING PEOPLE IN MY HEAD NOW THAT IF I HAD TO GO HELP THEM ALONG, I HAVE OTHER PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY. THEY CAN'T DO IT, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I KNOW WHERE THIS LEADS. DO WE AS A COMMISSION GET NOTICE OF , AND MAYBE WE DO, AND MAYBE I JUST FORGOT THIS MORNING.

BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS FORECLOSURE THING OF THESE PROPERTIES BECAUSE OF STUFF LIKE THIS , DO WE GET A LIST OF THAT? OR DO WE JUST GET THE FINAL LIST? BEFORE WE GET TO THAT POINT, DO WE GET SOMETHING THAT SAYS HEY, GUYS, THIS IS WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN? OR WE JUST GO ON AND SAY VIS-À-VIS FORECLOSED PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE FORECLOSING ON?

>> I DO NOT BELIEVE NOTICE IS PROVIDED TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME.

I KNOW THAT THERE ARE FREQUENT UPDATES OF WHAT IS GOING ON, BUT I DON'T THINK EACH PROPERTY IS SENT TO YOU AHEAD OF TIME. IT IS AUTHORIZED TO GO THROUGH MY OFFICE AND MR. RAY'S OFFICE, AND WHICH THEY ARE DOING. IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR ADDITIONAL LITIGATION OF WHAT WE DOING, I CAN DO THAT.

>> I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD , BUT PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF NOTIFICATION MYSELF JUST TO SEE , YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE, AND BEFORE WE START TRYING TO FORECLOSE ON A HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO ANYTHING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IN CASE I CAN SAY HEY, LOOK, HERE. THIS IS SERIOUS. YOU WAITED TO COME THIS FAR , AND THEY ARE ABOUT TO TAKE YOUR GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE. I WILL JUST SAY IT THAT WAY. YOU KNOW? IF THERE IS SOME TYPE OF NOTICE THAT I CAN GIVE THEM , I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE REST OF THE BOARD, BUT I CAN GIVE THEM, AND I REALIZE WHAT IS GOING ON, MAYBE I CAN HELP PRIOR TO THAT. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THE NEIGHBORS TALK , BUT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE. THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO KEEP THEIR PROPERTY. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET NOTICES, AND THEY ARE TRYING. AND I'M SPEAKING TO ONE THAT LIVES RIGHT NEXT TO MY PARENTS, AND I HAVE SEEN THIS ELDERLY GENTLEMAN OUT THERE GETTING THE NOTICE. HE IS OUT THERE BY HIMSELF . I SEE HIM BY HIMSELF TRYING TO PAINT WITH A RAG, TRYING TO RAKE

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SITUATIONS LIKE THAT WERE WE HAVE RESIDENTS WHO ARE REALLY TRYING , BUT JUST CAN'T GET THE JOB DONE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW , BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF GROUP OUT HERE.

ANY KIND OF GROUP! SOME TYPE OF GROUP OUT HERE WHERE WE CAN HELP THESE ELDERLY PEOPLE KEEP THEIR PROPERTY. NOW, ON THE OTHER PEOPLE? I KNOW THAT THEY ARE OUT OF TOWN AND JUST DON'T CARE AND WHATEVER , AND FLICK THERE NOTED NOSES AT OUR NOTICE OR WHATEVER, YOU WILL NEVER HEAR WORD FOR ME. TO CUT THEM DOWN AND LET'S GO GET THEM. BUT FOR THE OLD-TIME RESIDENTS OF FOUR PERIODS THAT ARE REALLY TRYING -- LET ME GET OFF THE OLD. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT OLD FOLKS TO BE LIKE WHY ARE YOU

ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT US? >> THEY ARE GOING TO HEAR YOU.

KNOW, THERE ARE CERTAIN SITUATIONS WHERE, YOU KNOW, A SINGLE MOM, A SINGLE DAD, OR WHATEVER THAT IS REALLY TRYING, AND SOMETHING IS HAPPENING. I JUST DON'T WANT TO BE THE CITY THAT WE DON'T CARE. WE COULD APPEAR AND SAY THAT WE CARE, BUT WE DON'T CARE TO WHATEVER. I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO DO THESE RULES. I UNDERSTAND WHAT STATUTES HAVE ORDINANCES . BUT BEFORE WE DO SOMETHING , CAN YOU GET IT TO ME, MADAM ATTORNEY, AND I CAN SEE WHAT I

CAN DO? >> YES SIR. WE CAN ABSOLUTELY -- MR. REYES CAN LET YOU KNOW WHICH PROPERTIES ARE IN THAT PROCESS. BUT THE ONE THING I DO WANT TO MAKE CLEAR FOR THE COMMISSION FOR ANYONE LISTENING IS WE LEGALLY CANNOT AND DO NOT FORECLOSE ON HOMESTEADER PROPERTIES.

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> WE ARE NOT TAKING A HOMESTEAD PROPERTY FROM ANYONE.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM ATTORNEY, FOR SAYING THAT. BUT WE DO PUT LIENS ON THEM. WE PUT LIENS ON HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES , WHICH PREVENTS A PERSON FROM SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? ME JUST TRYING GET MY MOM AND TRY TO SELL THE PROPERTY, AND THEN THEY HAVE PROBLEMS LIKE THAT. BECAUSE IT IS A WHOLE LIEN THING.

>> IS IN A COMBINED WITH THE ORDER FROM THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE , AND FINDS RUN, BUT YES. BUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS THEY ARE GIVEN 15, 30, 60, 90, SOME OF BEEN GIVEN MORE DAYS TO COMPLY BEFORE FIND EVEN BEGIN TO RUN ON THEIR PROPERTY. IF THEY CAN BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE OVER THE TIME PERIOD, THERE ARE NO FINES ON THE PROPERTY. THERE IS ALSO A MECHANISM MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS WHEREBY THEY CAN HAVE THEIR LIENS

REDUCED AS WELL. >> I UNDERSTAND. BUT LIKE I SAID, WE ARE TALKING AMONGST MY COLLEAGUES HERE, AND THE PUBLIC

IS LISTENING. >> YES, SIR. THE BIG THING THAT WE SEE , AS LONG AS THEY ARE COMEDIC ENDING WITH STAFF, STAFF CAN HELP THEM AND TALK THEM THROUGH WHAT THEY NEED TO DO , BECAUSE WE DO GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS FROM CITIZENS. IF THEY ARE COMMUNICATING WITH STAFF, THEY CAN WALK THEM

THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> MADAM MAYOR, AND THIS IS IN CONFERENCE. IT HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE WE HAVE HAD AN UPDATE FROM THE PROCESS THAT WE PUT IN PLACE ABOUT A YEAR AND HALF AGO WITH THE WHOLE FORECLOSURE PROCESS. MAYBE THIS TIME, I THINK, MADAM MAYOR, ON HOW THAT

IS AND WHERE WE ARE . >> IT WILL BE IN ABOUT FIVE

MINUTES. >> OKAY. I WILL WAIT. I AM

DONE. >> THERE IS THE LITIGATION OF FOR CLOSURE PROCEEDINGS. IF YOU ARE NOTIFIED TO ANY PREVIOUS FOR CLOSURE ACTIVITIES FOR ANY PROPERTIES , I CAN GET THAT THROUGH MY OFFICE TO YOU. THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM.

>> AND I DO HAVE AN UPDATE THAT IS COMING.

>> GOOD, THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO SECTION 2427, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SECTION NUMBER TWO, WHICH SAYS THE LIENS THAT WILL ARISE FROM THE LOT CLEARINGS OR NUISANCE ABATEMENT, I SHOULD SAY, THIS IS IN ACCORDANCE TO ARTICLE CHAPTER 1, DIVISION TWO, AND THIS IS WHAT I DISCUSSED EARLIER. BASICALLY ALL LIENS WILL NOW BE ONE TYPE OF LIEN WITH THE SAME SET OF RULES. WE WILL NOT HAVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIENS IN THE

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OKAY. ARTICLE FOUR IS ABOUT BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES. THIS IS THE CONDEMNATION SECTION TO ALLOW BUILDINGS TO BE CONDEMNED AND DEMOLISHED. ESSENTIALLY, THE CHANGE IS ONLY THAT I DELETED THE SECTION THAT SAYS THE CITY COMMISSION CAN DECLARE A NUISANCE IF IT IS UNSIGHTLY, OR DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE ARCHITECTURAL OR ADJACENT SURROUNDED BUILDINGS. I'M REMOVING THE ABILITY OF YOU TO CONDEMN A STRUCTURE BECAUSE IT IS UGLY. OKAY? AND AGAIN, THE CHANGE TO THE LIENS, JUST LIKE THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT FOR LOT CLEARING, WILL ALL BE ONE TYPE OF LIEN FROM THIS POINT FORWARD. OKAY? ARTICLE FOUR IS THE DRUG-RELATED, PROSTITUTION RELATED, STOLEN PROPERTY RELATED, PUBLIC BUSINESSES IN CRIMINAL GAIN AND ACTIVITY NUISANCES. I DID SEND THIS OFF TO THE CHIEF, AND THEY SAID NO CHANGES. LEAVE IT AS IS. OTHER THAN CHANGING IT FROM ARTICLE THREE TO ARTICLE FIVE. THAT IS THE ONLY TITLE CHANGE. SO, THIS IS WHERE WAS GOING TO PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS, BUT I CAN

MOVE ON, RIGHT? >> MY BAD.

>> OKAY, CHAPTER 1, ARTICLE TWO. THIS WAS REFERENCED IN THE FIRST PART. SO, BECAUSE I HAD TO CHANGE THE PART OF LIENS TO MAKE SURE THAT I INCORPORATED ALL THE CHANGES IN CHAPTER 24 , I DID LOOK AT IT, AND WE DID MAKE SOME OTHER CHANGES AS WELL. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A CHANGE INTO IT ALSO.

CHAPTER 24 AMENDMENTS WERE BROUGHT INTO IT, AND THERE WAS A COUPLE OF OTHER LITTLE CHANGES . THE DEFINITIONS ARE COMBINED. THEY WERE SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE CHAPTER. I CONDENSED THEM INTO ONE SECTION. WE CHANGED HOW WE INITIATE THE FINES, AND HANDLE THE LIENS. THERE ARE A FEW AMENDMENTS ON CITATIONS, AND I DID UPDATE THE CLASSES OF VIOLATIONS , AND REALLY, I CLEAN THEM UP. I ONLY ADDED TWO NEW ONES, BUT OTHERWISE, I DECIDE TO CLEAN THEM UP. SO, THE FINES IMPOSED , THIS AS THE STATE THAT YOU REQUIREMENT FOR ASSESSING REQUIREMENTS IMPOSING LIENS. AS WELL AS AUTHORIZING THE CITY TO FORECLOSE. SO, WE DO INCORPORATE OUR STATE STATUTE 162 BY REFERENCE , BUT BECAUSE WE ARE MAKING SO MANY CHANGES, I HAVE PUT IT INTO THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. WHEN YOU HAVE A RESIDENT, THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR CITY CODES FIRST. THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK. NOT JUST THE STATE STATUTE. THAT IS THE REASON WHY AM ADDING SOME SPECIFIC STATUTES OF THE STATE STATUTE INTO OUR CODE. IT ALSO HAS THE RIGHT FOR THE CITY TO REDUCE THE LIENS , AND IT IS A RIGHT, NOT A GUARANTEE. SO, IT DOES NOT GUARANTEE ANY REDUCTION, BUT IT DOES PROVIDE FOR THE REDUCTION. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY MANAGER, I HAVE BOTH WORDS IN THEIR, TO ADDRESS UNENFORCEABLE LIENS. THESE ARE ON CITY-OWNED PROPERTIES, BANKRUPTCIES, FORECLOSURES , THOSE TYPES OF LIENS. IT PROVIDES A MECHANISM TO RELEASE THOSE TYPES OF LIENS. THE CITATION PROCEDURE , THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE JUST OUTDATED OR CONTRADICTORY THAT I FOUND. YOU KNOW, ONE SECTION THAT YOU COULD DO THIS IN ANOTHER SECTION THAT YOU CAN'T DO THIS, AND SO, AGAIN, IT WAS JUST A CLEANUP. BECAUSE THE CITY TO DETERMINE HOW CITATIONS ARE PROCESSED. WE USE BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE , AND AGAIN, THAT WORDING DECIDED TO BE CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT , BECAUSE CERTAIN CITATIONS GO STRAIGHT TO THE COUNTY COURT . LIKE, OUR PARKING CITATIONS, THEY GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. WE DON'T SEND ALL OF OUR SPECIAL CITATIONS TO THE COUNTY BOARD.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR?

>> MR. REYES, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? THE LAST SLIDE PROVIDES THE CITY ATTORNEY -- OH, CITY MANAGER YOU SAID ,

RIGHT? >> YES.

>> BANKRUPTCIES. SO, IF A PROPERTY, A COMMERCIAL PERSON IS INVOLVED , ARE WE THINK THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE LOOKED AT AND HELD BY THOSE TWO? THEY GET THAT RIGHT? YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO WEIGH IN ON THAT? I AM ASKING ABOUT THIS LAST BULLET POINT. BANKRUPTCIES. BANKRUPTCIES SPECIFICALLY.

>> OKAY. ARE YOU ASKING IF THE COMMISSION WOULD BE WEIGHING IN ON IT? IT WOULD GO BETWEEN ME AND THE CITY MANAGER.

>> OKAY. >> ANYTHING THAT WE DETERMINE LEGALLY UNENFORCEABLE , OR QUESTIONABLY ENFORCEABLE, WE WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO HANDLE THOSE. CURRENTLY, THEY ARE COMING BEFORE YOU TO ADDRESS. IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD SOME RECENTLY WITH THE COUNTY WHERE THEY HAD QUESTION SOME OF THE LIENS, AND WE SETTLED THOSE. SO, WE ARE MOVING AUTHORITY TO STAFF TO HANDLE THOSE INSTEAD OF HAVING TO BRING THOSE BEFORE YOU WANT TO VOTE ON EVERY TIME.

>> OKAY. AND I KNOW TWO, WE'VE HAD SOME PROPERTIES IN OUR CITY THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US THAT ARE TIED UP IN BANKRUPTCY RIGHT NOW. SO, I AM ASSUMING THAT THIS IS SAYING THAT YOU WILL NOT TAKE THE LEAD ON HANDLING THOSE PROPERTIES, BE A COMMERCIAL AND/OR RESIDENTIAL?

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>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO BE

CLEAR. THANK YOU. >> WHERE WAS I? SO, OUR PARKING CITATIONS COME TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE WERE OTHER CITATIONS LIKE ANIMAL CONTROL WERE NOT GO TO THE COUNTY COURT. SO, HE CLEANS UP THAT LANGUAGE. I UPDATED THE CLASSES OF VIOLATION. AGAIN, I EVERY NUMBERED THEM FROM THE 2020 REWRITE. SO, I PUT THEM IN ORDER. I ALSO ADDED THE FIREWORKS WITH THE NEW UPDATED RULES FOR THE FIREWORKS, AND I ADDED REFRIGERATORS AND ICEBOX SAFETY REQUIREMENTS AS A CITATION. BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GIVE A 30 DAY NOTICE HEARING ON AND WHATNOT. IT IS A CITATION. AND SO, THAT WAS A NICE, QUICK SECTION. SO, WITH ALL OF THESE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF RESOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO. THERE WERE SEVERAL PROCESS AND PROCEDURE CHANGES.

YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT PROCESSING PROCEDURES IN AN ORDINANCE, YOU WANT TO DO THEM BY THE RESOLUTION. SO, WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS BEING PRESENTED INTO THE CITY COMMISSION . ONE IS THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, WHICH I'M GOING TO GO INTO IN DETAIL, BECAUSE THAT ADDRESSES THINGS LIKE FORECLOSURE, AND THEN THERE ARE THINGS LIKE THE LIEN REVIEW PROCESS. SO, THE SPECIMEN AS RULES OF PROCEDURE, I DIDN'T OF A MAJOR OVERHAUL. I HAVE ONE OUT, AND REWROTE IT FROM THE BEGINNING TO THE END. WE SEPARATED IT INTO SECTIONS, WE CATEGORIZED THEM AS DIFFERENT SECTIONS. I AM NOT GOING TO READ THEM ALL , BUT THIS IS WHAT WE DID. WE CHANGED THE WHOLE FORMAT. SO, THE FINES AND LIENS, THE PROCESS FOR ADDRESSING THE FINES AND ADDRESSING A RIGHT TO A HEARING, THAT WAS PUT INTO ITS OWN SECTION . THERE IS A THING CALLED A MASS RULING OR MASS HEARING, AND WHAT THIS RULE IS IS YOU HAVE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE ORDER , YOU DON'T COMPLY, AND FINDS START RUNNING. BETWEEN THE TIME THE FINES START RUNNING IN A LIEN BEING FILED, WE ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY YOU OR THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THE FINES ARE RUNNING, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO GET TESTED, AND IF YOU DON'T, THAT WE CAN PUT THE LIEN IN PROCESS. SO, IT IS THIS WHOLE MESSY -- IT WAS VERSUS SOMETHING. THAT IS A RIGHT TO HEARING TO ADDRESSING FINES, AND SARAH REFERENCED IT. THIS HAPPENS A LOT. I SEND YOU THE LETTER, AND I SAY HEY, FIND YOUR WRITING, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO A HEARING, AND YOU CAN, FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, AND THEN SHE SAYS, OKAY, SHE WILL STOP THE FINES FROM THE COMMUNITY. SOMETIMES, SHE WILL SAY BE FINES WILL KEEP RUNNING, BUT WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER 90 DAYS, ANOTHER 120 DAYS , AND THEN SHE HAS SOMETIMES SAID NO, YOU HAVE HAD PLENTY OF TIME. THE LIEN IS GETTING IN PLACE.

BUT, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO A MASS HEARING. I AM CLEAR THAT OUT IN DETAIL THE PROCESS OF THE RULES AND PROCEDURE, WHICH IS PRETTY MUCH SILENT ON IT IN THE PAST. AND THEN, UNDER THE IMPOSING LIENS SECTION, IT GIVES THE RULES WERE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE , BY STATE STATUTE, THAT AUTHORIZES THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FORECLOSE IF ALL OF YOUR CONDITIONS ARE MET.

SO, THE LIEN REDUCTION AMENDMENT , PER THE CHAPTER 1, ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 180, THERE IS NO GUARANTEE TO ANYTHING THAT IS LEGALLY PLACED UPON A PERSON OR PROPERTY. OF MODEST OUR ORDINANCE. I WANT IT VERY CLEAR THAT YOU CAN REQUEST ONE, BUT THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES OF ANY REDUCTION. THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE RUN INTO FREQUENTLY. CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS, UNDER STATE STATUTE , IF YOU HAVE A LIEN ON PROPERTY A, IT ATTACHES TO EVERY OTHER PROPERTY YOU OWN IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY. IF YOU ON PROPERTIES A, B, C, AND D, IF YOU OWN PROPERTY A, IT ATTACHES TO B, C, AND PROPERTY D. IF YOU WANT TO SELL THOSE, YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR A PARTIAL RELEASE. YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY REMOVED FROM THAT SPREADING LEAD. THAT IS CALLED A PARTIAL LIEN RELEASE. THE CURRENT RULES SAY THAT IF THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, YOU CANNOT GET A PARTIAL RELEASE. WE ARE ONLY GRANTING PROPER RELEASES IF IT WAS LOCATED IN ST. LOUIS COUNTY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. THIS CHANGE DOES ALLOW FOR PARTIAL RELEASES INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, BUT IT DOES RAISE A THRESHOLD FOR THE FINE REDUCTION. SO, IF 3% OF THE LIEN, OR 2500, WHICHEVER IS GREATER FOR PROPERTIES OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS . WE ARE ON 5%, WHATEVER IS GREATER INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. REMEMBERING THAT THE REASON FOR IT BEING ATTACHED TO THOSE OTHER PROPERTIES IS THE REASON FOR THE LIEN TO BE ADDRESSED. AND THAT IS THE REASON FOR IT. SO, I AM OPEN TO DISCUSSION FOR

THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> DO YOU THINK IT REDUCES YOUR

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>> WHICH WAS THE POINT OF VIEW WHEN WE PUT THE RULE IN PLACE.

THEN, WE ARE ALSO RUNNING INTO LOOK, I PROPERTY D THAT I CAN SELL AND USE THAT MONEY TO FIX PROPERTY A. SO, WE ARE

HAMSTRINGING THAT ALSO. >> THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

>> IT DOES. SO, AGAIN, THIS IS WHY WE ARE PUTTING A RULE IN PLACE AND THEN PHASING SOME REALITIES. SOMETIMES, THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO, WE DO HAVE THAT SITUATION. WE HAVE A SITUATION RIGHT NOW . A GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY, HE IS NOW I BELIEVE IN A NURSING HOME. HIS SON IS TRYING TO RESOLVE ALL OF THESE THINGS, BUT HE CAN'T SELL ANY OF HIS PROPERTIES BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL UNENCUMBERED. AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THEY ARE ENCUMBERED EVERYWHERE. AND SO, IT DOES. BUT THEY CAN'T FIX THE BUILDINGS A, B, AND C, BECAUSE THE CANCEL E AND F AND USE THE MONEY TO FIX THEM. SO, IT STILL HAS A MONETARY VALUE TO THE RELEASE. BUT, IT DOES ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THIS.

BACK TO COMMISSIONER BRODERICK'S QUESTION , I WILL START THERE. I LIKE THE PARTIAL RELEASES, BECAUSE, FROM MY DISCUSSIONS WITH PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO IN SOME OF THESE INFIELD AREAS WHERE THEY HAVE HAD PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME IN TO DO WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO DO, PUT SOMETHING THERE THAT LOOKS NICE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF FAMILY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHATEVER IT IS, THAT IS GOING TO STOP THAT. SO, I UNDERSTAND -- I UNDERSTAND, AND I ALMOST THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE IT CASE-BY-CASE IF WE CAN TO SEE WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. BECAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, I UNDERSTAND. I DON'T WANT TO LET SOMEBODY OFF THE HOOK. I DON'T WANT TO LET SOMEBODY OFF OF THE HOOK THAT IS JUST NOT PAYING ANYTHING TO THE CITY. BUT IF WE HAVE A GOOD CHANCE TO DO A PROJECT WITH THE INFIELD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR, AS WE ALWAYS SAY, SHOVELS IN THE DIRT, AND WE WILL BUILD A HOUSE , LET'S LOOK AT IT AND SEE. OKAY, LET'S BUILD THIS AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON , AND THEN IT CAN STILL ADDRESS THE OTHER LIENS.

DISCRETIONARY TO SOME IS AUTHORITY, PEGGY, THAT IS

DISCRETIONARY? >> WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. AND

THIS IS FROM -- >> YOU HAVE A VALID POINT. THE MECHANISMS ARE JUST NOT REALLY IN PLACE TO DO THAT TO MAKE IT YES OR NO. SOMEBODY IS HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION.

>> AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I LOVE WITH HOW OUR STAFF WANTS TO TAKE ON A LOT OF THE ROLES OF THESE DECISIONS. I GET IT .

I KNOW WE ARE BUSY. BUT SOMETIMES, DECISIONS LIKE THIS, THEY NEED TO COME IN FRONT OF US AND LET US DISCUSS IT. JUST SAY THAT IS MY OPINION. WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT, BECAUSE YOU WILL ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS, CURTIS WILL ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS, JEREMIAH WILL ASK CERTAIN QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW I WILL ASK QUESTIONS, THERE WILL BE EVERYONE ASKING QUESTIONS.

THAT IS WHEN THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHERE WE STAND. BUT FROM THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY , THEY ARE READY TO DO THE INFIELD ON SOME OF THE INFIELD LOTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING THEM TO DO, BUT THEY ARE HAVING TO HOLD US BECAUSE OF THESE SPREADING LIENS.

>> COMMISSIONER, THIS IS SEPARATE FROM OUR IN LIEN

PROGRAM. >> AND ASSAM.

>> IF YOU'RE PUTTING SHOVELS IN THE DIRT, YOU HAVE ANOTHER

PROGRAM ALSO. >> I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. BUT THESE PARTIAL RELEASES, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT THEY HAVE HAD FIRES ALREADY TO BUILD ON E THROUGH D. THEY ARE READY TO BUILD ON D, BUT THEY CAN'T BUILDING D BY THE PROPERTY, IMPROVE THE PROPERTY, BECAUSE OF THE LIENS ON A, B, AND C.

THESE PARTIAL RELEASES WILL LET THEM DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW

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DON'T COME INTO THAT WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT, AND THEN TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN. I UNDERSTAND HOW WE WILL FIX THAT, BUT I LOVE THE IDEA PARTIAL RELEASES SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH

SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES. >> JUST TO FLUSH THAT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, THIS PARTIALLY REDUCTION AMENDMENT, AND ANY LIEN REDUCTION , THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE

FAST TRACK. >> CORRECT.

>> I WILL SAY IT IS 2500 OR THREE OR 5%, WHATEVER IS GREATER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO AGREE TO THAT. YOU CAN THEN REQUEST A HEARING , AND GO THROUGH THE HEARING PROCESS.

OR, YOU CAN JUST SAY THAT SOUNDS GOOD, HERE IS YOUR CHECK, WE ARE GOOD TO GO. OR, AND THIS GOES FOR EVERY LIEN REDUCTION, YOU CAN REQUESTED TO GO THROUGH THE HEARING PROCESS.

>> THE COMMISSION CAN TELL, WE'VE BEEN DOING LIEN REDUCTIONS, AND HOW MANY HAVE COME BACK TO YOU?

>> YEAH, I KNOW! >> I THINK ONE. THE PROCESS IS WORKING, BUT THIS IS DEFINITELY NEEDED TO ADDRESS THOSE INSIDE

THE CITY. WHICH WAS MISSING. >> THIS WAS NEEDED. THANK YOU FOR THIS. MY LAST QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW ME. EXPLAINED TO ME THREE AND FIVE. THREE AND 5%. INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, WHY ? JUST TO COLLECT MORE MONEY FOR THE CITY? THREE TO 5%, WHY IS THIS NOT BOTH THREE OR BOTH FIVE?

>> THE RULES HAD BEEN, FROM THE LAST TIME, NO INSIDE THE CITY.

WHEN I WAS PUTTING THE RULE IN PLACE TO ALLOW THE INSIDE, I JUST ADDED AN ADDITIONAL 2%, BECAUSE IT WENT FROM NOTHING TO SOMETHING. BUT THEY CAN ALL BE THE SAME. THIS IS WISE IN

FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW. >> ME PERSONALLY, AND I WILL LET MY OTHER COLLEAGUES SPEAK ON IT . IF WE ARE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I WOULD LIKE SIMILAR NUMBERS. IT JUST LOOKS BETTER. IT JUST FEELS BETTER, AND THEN I HAD AN ARGUMENT WHERE THEY ARE TREATING PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY INSIDE THE CITY AND OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS ILLEGAL, I AM NOTHING WE CAN'T DO THIS, I AM JUST SAYING THE PARENTS LOOK LIKE THAT.

>> WHICH NUMBER DID YOU LIKE?

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, I WANT TO POINT OUT, YES, MA'AM, THIS IS FOR THE FAST TRACK. THIS IS WHAT STAFF WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THEMSELVES WITHOUT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

SO, WHATEVER NUMBER YOU PICK --

>> IT IS YOUR WE'RE GOING WITH THIS! AND I PROMISE, I WILL

SIT BACK AND BE QUIET. >> WHAT YOU WANT?

>> YES, I WILL. BUT FOR THE LONGEST, WE HAVE SET APPEAR AS A COMMISSION , AND WE HAVE WANTED PEOPLE TO COME IN TO BUILD STUFF. RIGHT? AND IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO DO IT , I AM JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE. JUST PARTIAL RELEASE.

ASKING FOR THIS PARTIAL RELEASE, AND IT GETS TO THE POINT WHERE THE PLANNING BOARD AND EVERYBODY HAS SEEN WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO , I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW -- I AM NOT IN THE CONSTRUCTION FIELD, GUYS. I DO NOT KNOW HOW BIG OF A HIT 3% TO 5% WILL BE. I DON'T KNOW. I DEFER TO JEREMIAH, I DEFER TO MICHAEL. I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO CHARGE OUR RESIDENTS INSIDE THE CITY 5% , I WANT TO GET A BREAK FOR RESIDENTS OUTSIDE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS. YOU KNOW ME. I AM AN ATTORNEY. SAY FOR AND BE DONE WITH IT . THAT IS HOW WE DO IT. EVERYBODY IS EQUAL. BUT THAT IS HOW WE DO IT. WE ARE SPREADING IT OUT, AND MOVING ON. SO, I LOVE THIS , AND I HOPE THAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WILL CHIME IN AND SAY HEY, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. BUT AS I SAID, I WILL SLIDE BACK AND BE QUIET.

>> IS THERE ANY OTHER CONSIDERATION OF THE NUMBER?

>> I LIKE WHAT COMMISSIONER GAINES SAID.

>> I WILL SUPPORT THAT. >> BUT IS A 4% FOR BOTH?

>> 4% FOR BOTH. I THINK THAT THIS PROGRAM, AND I, TOO, HAVE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE . I KNOW EXACTLY THE CASE YOU'RE REFERRING TO. SO, I THINK THE MORE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A PATHWAY , WHAT I DID NOT HERE, THOUGH, OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE IS A PARTIAL RELEASE AND SOMETHING DOWN HERE WHERE WE ARE NOT DEMANDING OR PUTTING IT RIGHT WHERE THEY HAVE TO BRING THAT , BECAUSE IF I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT, WE HAVE A PROCESS IN

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BUT THE PARCEL IS STILL ADMIRED WITH THE LIEN ON IT AT A PARTICULAR POINT. IT IS EVEN YET A PATHWAY FOR THAT PROPERTY TO GO FOR LIEN REDUCTION, ET CETERA, ET CETERA. CORRECT? WITH THAT BEING SAID, YOU KNOW, I ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER GAINES IS SAYING, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE PRESS ASPECT OF THAT.

I THINK IT JUST TURNS DOWN THE TEMPERATURE IN THAT WE ARE JUST EQUAL BALANCE IN THE CITY COUNTY, AND GETTING IT DONE. I

AM OKAY WITH THAT. >> IS EVERYBODY ELSE OKAY WITH

THAT? LET'S MOVE ON. >> NOW, ONTO THE FORECLOSURES.

OKAY. AGAIN, THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE WE HAVE A SET OF RULES IN PLACE ABOUT A YEAR AND HALF AGO. I HAVE NOW LIVED WITH THEM FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, AND I HAVE FOUND WHAT IS GOOD, AND WHAT IS NOT GOOD, AND HOW IT WORKS. SO, THE PROCESS IS DEFTLY BASED UPON THE EXPERIENCE OF THE PAST YEAR. THE NEW PROCEDURES STILL REQUIRE THE INTENT TO FORECLOSE NOTICE BY THE CITY DELIVERED BY A PROCESS SERVER. YOU KNOW, AND ALL HONESTY, I WAS NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT ONE, BUT LET ME TELL YOU. I HAVE LITERALLY, EIGHT MINUTES BEFORE THIS MEETING, SOMEBODY WAS THAT OUR COUNTER SAYING I JUST GOT SERVED, WHAT CAN I DO TO FIX IT? SO, I BELIEVE I HAD EIGHT PROCESS SERVINGS DONE IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, AND FOUR HAVE ALREADY SETTLED. SO, IT DEFINITELY WORKS. I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I WAS WRONG . IT IS A VERY GOOD PROCESS . BECAUSE OF USING THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HEARING NOTICE IS A KICK IN THE BUTT, BEING SERVED WITH WE ARE GOING TO FORECLOSE ON YOU, IT REALLY HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE. AND THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS HERE, HE ACTUALLY HAS THREE PROPERTIES ON THE FORECLOSURE LIST, AND HE IS COMING BACK INTO: 30 TODAY. SO, IT STILL INCLUDES THAT PROCESS SERVICE , BECAUSE IT WAS A PART OF THAT DID WORK. IT STILL LISTS ALL OF THE CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE MET, AND I HAVE TO DO AN AFFIDAVIT NOW SAYING THAT, YES, I CHECKED. IT IS NOT HOMESTEADED , WE DID OUR SERVICE, WE DID ALL OF OUR DUE PROCESS REQUIREMENTS .

SOMETHING ELSE I HAD ADDED, I LEARNED THIS THE HARD WAY IS I CHECK NOW ALSO TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT UP FOR TAX SALE. WE HAD A FOR CLOSURE PROCESS GOING , ANYTHING THAT SOLD FOR TAX SALE, BECAUSE I DID NOT CHECK IT, I SOUGHT TO PAY THE ATTORNEY. SO, IT WAS A LEARNING CURVE . SO, THERE ARE THINGS ADDED, SOME THINGS THAT WERE KEPT . ALSO, IT MAKES IT VERY CLEAR THAT COMMUNICATION, ONCE IT IS SAID TO THE FORECLOSURE ATTORNEY, COMMUNICATION IS ONLY TO BE WITH YOU FORECLOSURE ATTORNEY. THAT IS ANOTHER LESSON LEARNED THAT , TALKING IN HOUSE HERE, MESSES UP HIS LEGAL PROCESS, AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS VERY SEPARATE. ONCE IT IS TRANSFERRED TO HIM, THAT IS WHERE IT ALL GOES. AND IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR SETTLEMENTS IN LIEU OF THE FORECLOSURE, WHICH WAS NOT IN THE PLACE BEFORE. SO, WE NOW HAVE A PROCESS WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN SERVED THE FORECLOSURE, WE REALLY DON'T WANT THE PROPERTY , WE WANT IT FIXED, WE WANTED SETTLED, AND IT ALLOWS FOR SETTLEMENTS OF THE FORECLOSURE. DOES THAT ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS?

>> IT DOES . IT IS JUST SOMETHING ABOUT -- THING ABOUT SOMEBODY KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR AND HANDING YOU THAT PIECE OF PAPER SAYING YOU ARE BEING SERVED , AND YOU HAVE TO SIGN THAT AFFIDAVIT , IT GETS ATTENTION. THAT IS WHY AM SAYING LET'S DO IT. BUT I LIKE THIS, AND I LOVE -- I AM REALLY INTERESTED IN, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE ARE WITH THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS . WHAT TYPE OF SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT YOU COME UP WITH, BECAUSE THE MORE WE GET INTO IT, AND THE MORE THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE, I THINK WOULD BE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY UP HERE, AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR YOUR JOB. SO, THANK YOU.

>> ESSENTIALLY, THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO OUR FAST TRACK WITH THE ADDED LEGAL EXPENSE IS ADDED ON. SO, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT THIS IS. IT IS THE FAST TRACK WITH THE LEGAL COSTS ADDED ON. THAT WAS THE END.

>> SO, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF FORECLOSING. THIS IS A VERY, VERY, VERY LAST RESORT. AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE EVEN WANT TO DO. SO, I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT, AND I'M GLAD IT CAME FROM YOU TODAY . BECAUSE THE RUMORS , AND THE TERMS IN

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>> MADAM MAYOR, TO ADD TO THAT, IT IS ALSO THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE COME TO US ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE LIVE IN THAT WANT TO SEE WHAT COULD BE ABUSES BEING DEALT WITH .

BECAUSE THERE IS AN ABUSE THERE. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE THAT OWN PROPERTIES HERE, AND THEY DON'T TAKE CARE OF THEM, AND THAT CREATES, YOU KNOW, A CHALLENGE, AND IT CREATES A CHALLENGE OF LITTERING , POLLUTION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS US ADDRESSING THAT FOR THOSE CITIZENS OUT THERE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE THESE CONCERNS OF THESE BUILDINGS. AND I BROUGHT UP BEFORE, AND IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONCERN. YOU KNOW, WE MADE IT THROUGH THIS WINTER SEASON WE HOPE , YOU KNOW, AND THESE DILAPIDATED BUILDINGS PROVIDE CHALLENGES FOR US IN THE WINTER MONTHS OF PEOPLE TRYING TO STAY WARM. YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY HAD A COUPLE OF INSTANCES WHERE THE STRUCTURES HAVE CAUGHT FIRE, AND TRAVELING EMBERS IN THE LAKE PARK AREA IS NOT GOOD. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OLDER STRUCTURES THERE, AND WE CAN HAVE A REAL BAD SITUATION ON OUR HANDS. SO, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ADDRESS THIS, AND THE CITIZENS THAT COMMUNICATE TO US, WE APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS. BUT JUST UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR TASK IS WITH THE DUTY TO PROVIDE SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS , SAFE AREAS, AND WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO DO THAT IN A FAIR PROCESS. WE ARE GIVING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. AND I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THIS COMMISSION , WE LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, AND I KNOW WE DO PAY PROGRAMS, I KNOW WE DO THINGS THAT ARE DUE HELP RESIDENTS WITH THEIR HOUSING, BUT COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR SENIORS IN OUR COMMUNITY, THERE ARE A LOT OF GROUPS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE. MR. REYES, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT , MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HOPE YOU DO. IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A COMMUNITY TO HELP YOU CUT THE GRASS, SOME STUFF LIKE THAT , MAYBE WE HAVE A LIST THAT YOU CAN GO TO TO BEGIN TO HELP THESE ORGANIZATIONS FULFILL OUR COMMUNITY SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES. BUT ALSO, HELP THESE RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT ARE INCOME CHALLENGED, AND OUT OF A

CERTAIN AGE CATEGORY. OKAY? >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD

[c. Army Corps of Engineers response update regarding shoaling in the Intracoastal Waterway]

INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY. >> MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION, WE DO HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER, AND WE HAVE A REPRESENTATIVES OF TETRA TECH, WHICH IS A CONSULTING ENGINEERING FIRM THAT IS GOING TO GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF OUR IMPENDING AND UPCOMING RESPONSE TO THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS REGARDING THE MIGRATION OF SAND ON THROUGH OUR INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY, AND POSSIBLY INTO THE MARINA MAIN ACCESS CHANNEL.

SO, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOME DIRTY, SCIENCE, KEY,

ENGINEERING STUFF. BUT -- >> I DUNNO IF YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT LEGALLY.

CONVERSATION. I THINK WE ALL NEED TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH REGARDS TO OUR RESPONSES, OUR ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM IN ENSURING THAT OUR WATERWAYS ARE FREE AND CLEAR OF ANY OBSTRUCTIONS.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE - MR. BRIAN PROCTOR FROM TETRA TECH . BRIAN HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US , OH, A GOOD MANY YEARS IN THE REBUILD OF THE MARINA . I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO START OFF. THE ARMY CORPS HAS COME TO US . MAYOR, YOU ARE ON

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>> MR. PROCTOR, WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU FOR MAYBE THIS 15 MINUTES OF FAME TODAY. ACTUALLY, MY INVOLVEMENT WITH THE PROJECT GOES BACK TO 2009 . I WAS THE PERMIT OR FOR THE ARMY COURSE PORTION OF THE PROJECT. I ACTUALLY FOLLOW THROUGH WITH CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT SERVICES , AND THEN THE FIVE YEARS OF PERFORMANCE MONITORING THAT HAS FOLLOWED AND HAS BEEN MET WITH COMPLIANCE MONITORING. SO, 15 YEARS OF MY LIFE HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN WORKINGTHROUGH THIS. SO, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT. I AM GOING TO SLIDE OVER HERE .

HOPEFULLY CAN SEE THIS. I TURNED THIS FIRST ON THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY. BEFORE WE GET INTO THE BAD AND THE UGLY, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WERE BE SOME BAD AND UGLY. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF GOOD THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS. SO, WE ARE POSTING YEARS NO CONSTRUCTION. I AM HAPPY TO REPORT THAT THE ISLANDS ARE ACTUALLY PERFORMING VERY WELL. THEY ARE ACTUALLY PERFORMING THE WAY WE HAD HOPED THAT THEY WOULD. THEY ARE NOT SINKING, THEY ARE NOT ERODING, AND THERE WAS ACTUALLY STILL SOME PRETTY SIGNIFICANT STORM EVENTS WITHOUT MUCH IN THE WAY OF NEEDING MAINTENANCE. OVERALL, THERE HAS BEEN A HUGE ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT, AND THAT ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT IS STARTING OUT WITH A COUPLE OF ACRES OF SEAGRASS IN THE AREA. WE ARE NOW UP TO ABOUT 23 1/2 ACRES. WE HAVE CREATED ABOUT 2 1/2 ACRES OF OYSTER REEFS, AND ABOUT A SIMILAR AMOUNT OF MANGROVES. THERE IS ABOUT 10 ACRES OF ARTIFICIAL REEF NOW THAT EXIST IN THE SYSTEM, AND LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF SPECIES THAT ARE NO COG READING, INCLUDING SOME FAIRLY RARE HARD CORALS THAT ARE THERE. FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE PROJECT IS BEEN A SUCCESS. WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN TREATING CENTRAL HARDWARE IN FLORIDA AS IT RELATES TO STONE VENTS. SO, THERE HAS BEEN SOME POSITIVE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE BAD SITE IS IN 2018, THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS DID ISSUE US A NOTICE OF NONCOMPLIANCE WITH SOME CONCERNS OVER SOME SHOVELING IN THE ICW. IF YOU ME. THEY LATER ISSUED AS A NOTICE OF VIOLATION IN 2019 . WE HAVE SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS TALKING TO THEM ABOUT THOSE SITUATIONS. IN FACT, WE HAVE SPENT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME DISCUSSING THE VERY CAUSES WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL HERE EVEN PRIOR TO THE PERMIT BEING ISSUED IN 2010. SO, ON THE UGLY SIDE OF THIS, WE HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH OVER THIS. THERE IS A POTENTIALLY SIGNIFICANT LIABILITY FOR WHAT THE COURT IS ASKING AS A SETTLEMENT TO THE VIOLATION . AND I WILL JUST INTO THE CHASE. RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE ASKING THAT THE CITY TAKE RESPONSE ABILITY FOR DREDGING THE ICW SOUTH OF THE BRIDGE FOR 2800 FEET. SO, YOU REALLY NEED SOME BACK ON TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE COME FROM. WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO SOME DIRTY ENGINEERING HERE ANY MINUTE. BUT, I PUT A SPECIFIC CONDITION 13. THIS REALLY IS THE CONDITION THAT IS OF THE GREATEST CONCERN TO THE COURT. AS OF THE PERMIT SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE TO ALLEVIATING DIVERSE TOLLING THAT OCCURS THE ADJACENT INTERCOASTAL WATERWAYS . IN THE SOLIDIFIED AREA OF INFLUENCE. WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS OR LONGER NOW SINCE POST CONSTRUCTION. INCREASED RATES OF SEDIMENTATION OCCUR IN THE CHANNEL, ADDITIONAL WILL OCCUR.

YOU WILL SEE AND I WILL DEMONSTRATE TO YOU WHAT I BELIEVE IS ACTUALLY A REDUCTION IN THE RATE OF SEDIMENTATION, NOT AN INCREASE IN IT. BUT, IT WAS A KNOWN CONCEPT WE STARTED THIS, WHICH IS WHY WE HAD THIS ONE IN IT. REAL BRIEFLY, A TIMELINE OF DREDGE EVENTS. IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT, THE CITY WAS ENGAGE IN REPEATED DREDGING OF ITS BASIN . ALMOST EVERY TWO YEARS , THIS IS SOME OF THE RECORDS THAT I HAD. I DID THIS TO GIVE YOU A DEMONSTRATION. I WILL READ OVER ALL OF IT, BUT 94 AND 3100 QB GUARDS REMAINED FROM THE BASIN AND THE CHANNEL, ESPECIALLY THE SOUTH CHANNEL. ABOUT 8200 CUBIC YARDS. IS A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PATTERN. EVERY TWO YEAR, THE MARCH OF 2000, -- IT ALLOWED THE DREDGING OF AN ADDITIONAL 1500 CUBIC OR MATERIALS. THAT

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WILL BE QUICK. >> REAL QUICK, CAN I ASK A

QUESTION ON A SITE? >> MAYBE.

>> 2009 , DID WE ACTUALLY USE THE SPOIL MATERIAL ON THE

BREAKWATER? >> WE DID NOT.

>> THE ESCORT THOUGH, RIGHT? >> THEY WANTED TO USE IT. THEY WERE SILLY PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE CORE, AND DID NOT HAVE A PERMIT TO DIRECT THE ICW AT THE TIME PRIOR TO THE NEED FOR

THE MATERIAL. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> ACTUALLY, THE CONTRACTOR CAME UP WITH THE BETTER ALTERNATIVE. THEY HAD SAND FROM A DISPOSAL SITE DONE ON ST.

LUCIAN. >> SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CALENDAR, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO PLAN A DREDGING PROJECT? YOU MENTIONED SIX YEARS BEFORE ONE OF THESE . BUT WHAT IS A TYPICAL PLANNING PROCESS? IF YOU SAY I'M GOING TO START PLANNING TODAY, I WILL JUDGE HOW MANY YEARS FROM NOW?

>> IF YOU DO IT EXTENSIVE APPEAR, IT IS 12. IF THERE ARE RESOURCES PRESENCE IN THE CASE OF FINES, FINES OF NOT HAD TO DREDGE THE ICW IN A LONG TIME, AND THAT WE ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR A DEEPENING. WE MADE SOME ALLOWANCES THAT REALLY AREN'T CONSISTENT WITH REGULATIONS. THEY ACTUALLY LOUD AND OVERDRAFT IN TWO FEET. SO, THEY DESIGNED WITH -10, THEY WENT ON TO A- 12 OF AN OVERDRAFT. SO, THAT IS WHY IT TOOK SO LONG FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TWO FEET, AND DID

NOT GET IT. >> JUST FOR INFORMATION, THE REST OF THE ICW SOUTH OF THE PROJECT IS ALWAYS THE SAME .

>> THANK YOU. >> IT'S DEEPER.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME. JUST REAL QUICK, AS IS WHERE THE COASTAL ENGINEER STARTS. IS NOT A SECRET. IT IS PROBABLY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH THE WINDY CONDITIONS WE HAVE TODAY.

IT ENTERS INTO THE INLET . SOME OF IT SETTLES IN THE TURNING BASIN OF THE CHANNEL IN FRONT OF THE ATTORNEY BASIN, AND SOME GOES INTO THE WATER, AND THE MATERIALS GO SOUTH.

PRIOR TO THE INSTALLATION OF THE ISLAND BREAKWATER, SOME OF THE ISLAND MATERIAL CAME IN, IT CAME UP ALONG THE SEAWALL, AND ENTERED THE MARINA BASIN, AND SETTLED OUT THERE. QUITE A BIT OF IT ACTUALLY ALSO COMES TO THE FRONT SIDE OF IT , AND THIS IS A PRETTY SOON CAN FEATURE YOU SEE HER. THIS MATERIAL ON THE LONGEST EXISTING BAR THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. THAT IS THE INGRESS CHANNEL WITH THE SOUTH THAT ACTUALLY ACTED AS A THING. THE SAND WAS LED AROUND THE SANDBAR, SETTLE DOWN INTO THE CHANNEL , AND THIS IS WHERE THE MATERIAL IS STRETCHED OUT AT, AND THE SANDBARS ARE HERE. THIS WENT ON FOR QUITE SOME PERIOD OF TIME. AGAIN, WHAT I HAVE

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NOT PART OF IT. >> THE MARINA USE THE CELL

CHANNEL THAT WAS SHOWN HERE. >> CORRECT. I THINK I HAVE ONE. IT WASN'T QUITE SURE HOW WELL IT WAS GOING TO COME OUT.

SO, WHAT I HAVE DONE IS ASIAN YOU THE 2000 SURVEY INTERVIEW, AND THEN THERE IS A ZOOM IN SEEKING GET A CLOSER LOOK AT IT. YOU CAN SEE IN 2000, THE DEPTH OF THE ICW AT THIS TIME IS AVERAGING GREATER THAN 10 FEET IN DEPTH. SO, YOU CAN SEE IT IS EITHER 10 FEET OR DEEPER . AND IT IS THAT WE ACTUALLY THROUGHOUT. AS I SAID, MOST OF THE SAND IS ACTUALLY ACCUMULATING IN THE SOUTH CHANNEL. IN EARLY 2004 , THE SURVEY AGAIN IS PRE-HURRICANE HERE. THE ISLAND WHAT IS NOT HERE, AND THE DEPTH IS STILL THE SAME. IT IS WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS REAL QUICK. SO, YOU CAN SEE THE DEPTH IS ABOUT THE SAME AT THE CHANNEL. YOU CAN SEE IT IS CONSISTENT, BUT SAND IS NOW INFILTRATING AT A PRETTY RAPID RATE INTO THE SOUTH CHANNEL. THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED AGAIN JUST AFTER THIS IN 2008, WHICH IS REALLY WHAT I WANT TO SHOW YOU HERE AGAIN. THE NORTH CHANNEL HAS NOW BEEN INSTALLED , SO WE HAVE NOW ABANDONED THE SOUTH CHANNEL. THE NORTH CHANNEL IS NOW ACTIVE AND DREDGED. THE MARINA IS PHYSICALLY GONE FROM THE HURRICANE. THERE ARE NO ISLAND BREAKWATER THAT ARE OUT THERE AT THIS POINT. THE SOUTH CHANNEL IS STARTING TO FILL IN , AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SANTAS ARE STARTING TO FILL UP PRETTY HEAVILY INTO THE CHANNEL. WE ARE LOOKING AT AT LEAST EIGHT FEET OF DEPTH. AS YOU GO FURTHER NORTH , HIS FIRST TO TAPER OFF, BUT IT IS STILL IN THE NORTH CHANNEL AT ABOUT 11 FEET. IN 2009 , THIS IS NO FOUR YEARS POST ABANDONMENT OF THE CHANNEL . THE INTEGRITY OF THE SOUTH CHANNEL IS NOW FILLED ITSELF AND COMPLETELY . AND I WILL SHOW YOU HERO QUICK. YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SAND IS TWO OR THREE FEET. YOU CAN SEE THE MARINA IS NOT THERE. THE SOUTH CHANNEL IS ABANDONED, AND THEN THERE ARE NO ISLAND BREAKWATERS. THE FORMER SANDBAR IS STILL THERE, AND IT IS PRETTY CLEAR TO SEE IN THERE. THEY ARE NOW ENTERING THE MARKET CHANNEL. ONE THING I WANTED TO FIND IS FINDING TWO FEATURES HERE. THE CORE MAINTAINS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE CHANNEL, WHICH IS ABOUT 150 FEET WIDE, BUT THE MARKET CHANNEL A SIGNIFICANT WAY SMALLER. THERE IS A DEFINITION BETWEEN THE TWO. THEY KEEP THE MARCH CHANNEL AT -10, AND THE REST OF THE RIGHT OF WAYS, NOT. AS SOON AS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FILLS UP, THERE IS REALLY NO WORLDS FOR THE SAND TO GO INTO THE CHANNEL ITSELF. SO, CONSTRUCTION STARTED, AS I SAID. THINGS AREN'T STATIC, EVEN TODAY. SANTAS SHIFTING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE TIDE. MOST OF THE SAND STILL COMES INTO THE INLET NOW HERE IN 2019 WITH THE ISLANDS IN THE NEW MARINA. THE SAND HAS MOVED AROUND, THE BAR HAS CHANGED SHAPE, BUT THE ISLANDS ACT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY. IS STARTING TO IKEEM WRIGHT AGAIN IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY , AND IT IS SPECIFICALLY AT THE TERMINUS OF THE SOUTH CHANNEL, AND THE EXACT SAME PLACE HE WAS DOING BEFORE. AND OF COURSE, THIS IS THE PERIOD OF TIME WHERE THE CORE ISSUES IT. AGAIN, THE SOUTH CHANNEL IS NOT HERE ANYMORE. I HAVE DONE IT ONCE IN THE DRAWING SEE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE SAND IS, AGAIN, COMMUTING IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE. BUT HE DID NOT HIGHLIGHT WAS IN 2009, THE SAND AT THE NORTH CHANNEL THAT WAS TRYING TO ACCUMULATE PRETTY HEAVILY TWO. THERE IS A LARGE VOLUME RATE . THERE IS AN AVERAGE REMOVAL OUT 5000 CUBIC YARDS THAT IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE CITY WAS ACTUALLY REMOVING BEFORE THE ISLAND CONSTRUCTION , AND IT IS SLIGHTLY LESS NOW. WE WILL GET TO THAT IN JUST A FEW MOMENTS.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COULD YOU JUST GO BACK? SEMI LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT? YOU ARE THING THAT PARTS OF THIS CHANNEL, WHICH IS A BLUE LINE , THEY HAVE DEPTH OF LESS THAN ONE FOOT ? THAT I SEE

SOME NUMBERS IN THAT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. NOT WITHIN THE MARKET CHANNEL, WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE COURT'S LEGAL RIGHT-OF-WAY. YES, THERE IS SAND OUT THERE WHERE THERE IS A

FOOT OF WATER OR LESS. >> THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT.

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OKAY, ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> THAT IS FINE. AND THAT IS THE SAME POINT. ESSENTIALLY IT HAS BEEN FORMING A POINT, THAT BAR DOES, AND IS YOU SEE AN INTEREST THAT RUNS DOWN THE EXACT SAME SANDBARS AS IT WAS IN 2009 PRIOR TO THE ISLANDS BEING BUILT , AND IT KIND OF PUSHES HIS WAY A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE SPRINGTIME , ON THE FLOOD TIME, IT COMES IN, SITES AROUND ON THE EGRESS, IT COMES OUT, AND SLIDES OVER THE TOP AND COMES BACK DOWN INTO THE CHANNEL. THERE IS NO MATERIAL COMING OFF OF THE BEACH ANY PRETTY REGULAR BASE. 2022, HERE WE ARE. THE CITY DID DREDGE IN 2000 . IN 2020 AGAIN , FOLLOWING THE CONSISTENCE THAT WE ARE HAVING A PROBLEM .

EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE ASKED LANE THE INFORMATION TO THEM NUMEROUS TIMES, WE MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH MANY STAKEHOLDERS THAT DID NOT WANT TO EMBRACE THE CONCEPT OF WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING IN THE SYSTEM . SO, WE DID A KNOWLEDGE THAT A LOT OF SAND WERE MOVING AROUND IN THE CONSTRUCTION. THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED. WE MODELED THE WHOLE PROJECT WAS NUMERICALLY , AND PHYSICALLY IN A TANK. BUT YOU DO IT PRE-AND POST, NOT ALONG THE WAY. OBVIOUSLY AS YOU ENTER, EVERY ROCKET GOES AND HAS A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC CONSISTENTLY. IT IS PRETTY STABLE NOW BY 2022. LIKE I SAID, IT IS NOW REVERTED BACK TO THE EXACT SAME PLACE IT WAS WITH SANTA FILTRATION. IT MAY BE BETTER THAN IT WAS PRIOR TO THAT. WE ARE NOT HAVING ANY CHELATION US AND WITH THE NORTH ENTRANCE CHANNEL NOW . AGAIN, THE SAND IS ACTUALLY PILING ITSELF BACK UP IN THE EXACT SAME PLACE AND THE EXACT SAME MANNER IT WAS IN 2009 PRIOR TO THE ISLANDS CONSTRUCTION. AND LIKE I SAID, THE RATE OF SEDIMENTATION APPEARS TO BE SLOWING . I WAS TALKING TO JACK EARLIER. IF I HAVE TO BET ON IT , IT IS A DIRECT RESULT OF SAINT WITH THE COUNTY INSTALLING A SAND TRAP AT THE MOUTH OF THE INLET MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. BUT, I DON'T SUSPECT THAT ONCE THE TRUCK GETS FILLED, UNLESS IT IS EMPTY AND STARTED, THEN MORE SAND IS PROBABLY GOING TO MAKE ITS WAY INTO THE SYSTEM. SO, I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCLUSIONS HERE, AND THEN IT WILL BE HAPPY TO ADD THIS. A PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD AN INCREASE IN DEPOSITION OF SANDY MATERIAL IN THE ICW, THAT THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON THE ENTIRE TIME , AND FROM 2004 AND 2009 AND ALL OF THIS DATA, BY THE WAY, IS THE POSITION OF THE COURSE. THEY ARE THE AUTHOR OF IT AND THE OWNER OF IT. SO, WE USE THEIR DATA AND SURVEYED THEM TO VERIFY WHAT THEY ARE MAKING A CLAIM OF. I DON'T BELIEVE, PERSONALLY, THAT THE CITY IS IN VIOLATION OF SPECIFIC CONDITION 13. IF ANYTHING, THE RATE OF ACCUMULATION OF SAND THAT IS COMING INTO THE AREA IS ACTUALLY LOWER NOW THAN IT WAS BEFORE. BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, IT IS AT THE VERY SAME. SO, I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY IS IN VIOLATION OF THE SPECIFIC CONDITION. AND THEN, THE SETTLING OF THE SOUTH CHANNEL ENTRANCE IS REALLY THE CAUSE, AND THE CITY'S CONTINUANCE OF JUDGING THAT SOUTH CHANNEL IS REALLY WHAT KEPT ALL OF THOSE YEARS FROM ENTERING THE ICW. IT WAS REPEATED EFFORTS ON YOUR PART FINANCIALLY, AND THANKFULLY , THE INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT PAID FOR IT UNTIL THEY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT ANYMORE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE ABBOT IS TO MOVE THE CHANNEL TO THE NORTH. WHICH HAS BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL. AND THEN, I AM ACTUALLY REPAIRING A MEMO NOW TO SUBMIT TO THE COURT IN RESPONSE TO THE COLONEL'S REQUEST . THE REALITY IS IT IS THE EXACT IN CONVERSATION THAT I AM IN HAVING WITH THEM FOR EIGHT YEARS NOW. SO, MAYBE LONGER. CLEARLY SOME OF THE INFORMATION I SHARED WITH YOU, AND I'VE GONE THROUGH WITH PRETTY QUICKLY, IT IS IN FIGURE A PRESENTATION THAT THEY

WERE NOT LOOKING AT BEFORE. >> MADAM MAYOR, QUESTIONS . SO, WE MOVE THE CHANNEL FROM SOUTH TO NORTH. AND I WATCHED OVER THE YEARS MYSELF. JUST AS A YOUNG MAN INTO TODAY BEING AN OLDER GUY. AND IT HAS ALWAYS SHOWN UP THERE. IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. IN THE CITY HAD TO MAINTAIN IT. ARE WE MAINTAINING

THE NONORTH CHANNEL NOW? >> WE HAVE ONLY HAD TO DREDGE IT ONCE. THERE IS SOME ACCUMULATION OCCURRING INTO IT, BUT WE ACTUALLY DID IT WHEN WE DREDGED . FOLLOWING IRMA, WE HAD TO DO SOME WORK IN THE BASIN WITH THAT , BUT NO, THE SCHILLING IN THE NORTH CHANNEL IS DIFFERENT. THE NORTHER PROTECTION ISLANDS ACTUALLY READ EFFORTS SOME OF THE VELOCITY OF CURRENCY WAS COMING INTO THE MARINA. DISSLY. THAT ACTUALLY COMES IN AND COMES OUT OF THE NORTH CHANNEL, SO IT'S PRETTY GOOD AT KEEPING IT CLEAN. BUT, IT DOES NOT COMPLETELY ALLEVIATE THE PROCESS. BUT IT HAS MINIMIZED

IT SIGNIFICANTLY. >> RIGHT. AND WE ALSO DREDGED

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>> 2020. >> 2020? OKAY, I COULD NEVER MEMBER THE EXACT DATE. WE PARTNER WITH SAINT WAS A COUNTY, DID WE USE THAT ON THE BEACH? WHAT DID WE DO WITH

THAT? >> ALL THAT MATERIAL AND BACK ON TOP OF THE ISLAND. SO, WE RAISED THE OVERALL HEIGHT OF THE ISLAND ONE FOOT. WE MADE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE

RESILIENCE, ACTUALLY. >> I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED IT , I DON'T KNOW, I JUST ASSUMED WITHOUT TALKING TO ANYBODY THAT THE CITY WAS PAYING FOR THE DREDGING OF OUR OWN SELF SO THE MARINA CHANNEL , AND WE ARE PLAYING A ROLE IN PROBABLY HELPING THE ICW. IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> THAT IS A CORRECT STATEMENT. Ã

>> AND WE HAVE NOW STOPPED DOING THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED THAT CHANNEL ANYMORE, AND WE DON'T WANT TO USE IT, AND NOW, THERE IS A CLAIM WHERE WE WERE HELPING, AND NOW WE ARE NOT HELPING. SO, HOW ABOUT THE SAND TRAP? WE ARE ALL ST.

LOUIS COUNTY RESIDENTS HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE PAYING FOR SOME OF THE STUFF DIRECTLY, INDIRECTLY, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. SO, DOES THE COURT CONSIDER ALL OF THESE FACTORS? OR ARE THEY JUST LOOKING AT THEIR FINANCE PROGRAM? TO ME, I'M LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE, WE ARE DOING THIS FOR EVERY 10 YEARS, AND THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IT THIS FAR , YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING, IS A PUBLIC RECORD, BUT SOMETIMES, THEY JUST RUN OUT OF MONEY. RIGHT? AND BY THE WAY, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION. YOU GET TO PAY NOW. WE HAVE BEEN PAYING. SO, HOW DO THEY RESPOND TO THE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE IN ADDITION TO WHAT THEY ARE REQUESTING? LIKE,

SUCH AS THE SAND TRAP? >> SO, THE IMMEDIATE SHORT-TERM RESPONSE IS TO POINT THE FINGER AT THE ISLANDS , AND SEE THE ISLANDS WEREN'T THERE, THE ISLANDS ARE THERE NOW, YOU ARE TO BLAME. THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY, AT LEAST THEY STATED TO US EARLIER, THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DREDGE. THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS PROGRAMMATIC RESPONSE FOR THE FEDERAL CHANNEL , BUT THE FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT, THE TAXING AUTHORITIES CHARTER IS ACTUALLY TO TAX THE RESIDENTS OF YOUR CITY AND THE COUNTY, AND THEN USE THOSE FUNDS TO DREDGE THE ICW. THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY WERE INTENDED FOR. THEY WERE IN SOME OF OUR EARLY MEETINGS, AND SAID THE SAME THING. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT, SO WE ARE NOT DOING IT.

>> IN THE VERY FIRST LIGHT ALSO, THANK YOU FOR THAT. IN THE FIRST SLIDE, YOU MENTIONED THAT AREA OF EMPLOYMENT. THE VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH. AND I TOOK NOTE OF THAT WHEN I READ THAT TODAY. I DO NOT HAVE THAT IN THE AGENDA. HOPEFULLY WE GET THE REPORT, BY THE WAY. WHAT IS THEIR AREA OF INPUT? DO THEY CLAIM TO BE THE AREA OF INFLUENCE? BECAUSE I WASN'T

PART OF THAT PARAGRAPH. >> THE PERMIT DEFINED WE ACTUALLY DID A REGIONAL INFLUENCE MODEL. LIKE I SAID, THIS CAME UP IN THE FINAL STAGES OF THE PERMITTING DISCUSSION. WE DID AN ANALYSIS BETWEEN 2008 AND 2011 TO LOOK AT THE CHANGE IN THE SEDIMENTATION RATES, AND THEN ALSO, THE CHANGE IN VELOCITY RATES TO SEE WHERE SAN WOULD ACTUALLY SETTLE OUT TO TRY TO SATISFY ALL OF THEM. IN THE COURT BASICALLY TO FIND THAT AREA OF INFLUENCE FROM LITERALLY THE WESTERN SHORELINE SOUTH ABOUT TO 2800 FEET, JUST SOUTH OF THE ISLAND STRUCTURES. AND THEN, ON THE EAST SIDE, IT WENT ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE SEAWALL WHERE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT IS WITH AN EQUAL DISTANCE SOUTH. SO, THAT IS THE AREA THAT THEY HAVE DEFINED AS THE REGIONAL INFLUENCE. THERE IS REALLY NOT MUCH SCIENTIICALLY TO PLACE THAT AS THE INFLUENCE . AND AS I SAID, IT IS A VERY DYNAMIC SYSTEM. THERE ARE INPUTS COMING FROM ALL DIRECTIONS. YOU KNOW, THE STORM SURGE, ALL THOSE THINGS AFFECT THE WAY THEY MOVE, AND WE EVEN HAVE RECORDS WHERE IT COMES IN AND IS EXPORTED FOR SIGNIFICANT PERIODS OF TIME. YOU COULD SURVEY IT AGAIN . ONE OF THE COSTS, YOU KNOW, WE DO SURVEYS, AND YOU LOOK AT A MOMENT IN TIME, AND THAT IS REALLY ALL IT IS. IT IS JUST A MOMENT. IT'S NOT A CONTINUOUS RECORD OF THE SAND MOVES OUT WHERE THE TIDE HAS BEEN, AND IT IS GOING BACK

AND FORTH CONSTANTLY. >> EXCEPT FOR THE IDEA THAT A SHOAL OR A SANDBAR IS GROWING. YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR SEVEN CHANNEL USED TO BE IS OBVIOUSLY HOW IT IS TOO SHALLOW. IT IS VERY SHALLOW COMPARED TO WHAT IT USED TO BE.

>> RIGHT THERE, WHERE IT IS AND WHERE IT IS BEEN DOING IT IS WHERE THE VELOCITY STARTS TO CHANGE. WITH WITHOUT THE CHANNEL, THIS WOULD'VE SETTLED OUT THERE.

>> JUST THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF THIS, THE PRACTICAL EFFECT OF

THIS DISAGREEMENT IS WHAT? >> FIRST OFF, I AM NOT AN

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>> THIS IS ABOUT WHO PAYS FOR DOING THIS. IS THAT WHAT THIS

IS ABOUT? >> THAT IS A BIG PART OF IT.

WILL TAKE RESPONSE ABILITY FOR DREDGING THE CHANNEL IN PERPETUITY? FOR 2800 FEET, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY IT. AT THAT POINT IN TIME, THE CITY ASKED THAT THEY TAKE RESPONSE ABILITY, AND THAT IS NOT JUST THE DREDGING ACTIVITY.

HONESTLY, AND 2020, I THINK WE SPENT 250, DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? $200,000.00 TWO MOVE 7500 CUBIC YARDS? MIGHT BE UPWARDS OF 95 . SO, IF THAT RATE OCCURS EVERY TWO YEARS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A PRETTY SIZABLE AMOUNT OF MONEY WITH

OUR LIABILITY POTENTIAL. >> AND THERE IS NO CHOICE OF

NOT DOING IT? >> WELL, THE ANSWER IS IF THE GOVERNMENT FEELS THAT YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF ITS PERMIT, AND YOU JUST THAT I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING, I SAID I AM NOT DOING ANYTHING, BUT IS NOT MY DECISION, THEN THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROCEED DOWN IN AN MISREAD OF HEARING TO ENFORCE THROUGH FEDERAL COURTS -- WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN CLOSE TO THAT. WE HAVE NOT MOVED OUR POSITION BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE HAD ONE BIT, WE HAVE NOT GONE ONE STEP CLOSER TO MEETING ANY ATTORNEYS.

>> WITH THE DREDGING HAS TO BE DONE AT A CERTAIN POINT.

CORRECT? MY CORRECT IN SAYING THAT?

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD DO WITH IT. THE CORE THREATENS TO PULL ITS PERMIT, WHICH IS OPERATIONALLY CONNECTED TO THE LONG-TERM OPERATION OF THE MARINA. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WOULD REALLY DO THAT HONESTLY. EITHER WAY, EITHER ONE OF THOSE ACTIVITIES WOULD CERTAINLY CREATE AN A MINISTRY OF HEARING . THE SAND IS PILING UP IN THE CHANNEL THAT IS NOT AFFECTING US. THE ENGLISH CHANNEL IS IN THE NORTH, AS I SAID. THE DEPTH OF THE ICW SOUTH OF US IS EIGHT FEET. 10 FEET IS IRRELEVANT.

YOU'LL RUN AGROUND ANOTHER 100 THE PROCESS ANYWAYS. I KNOW THE DEAN HAS THE EXCITED TO EXPAND SOME. THE CLEARLY BE DIRECTED TO AN ACTIVITY PROPOSED WITH THE OUTCOME OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE. THEY ARE DEFTLY CONNECTED WITHOUT IT

OUT. >> GO AHEAD.

>> I HEARD YOU ASKED PRACTICAL, SO I GUESS PERMITTING COMES TO MIND WHETHER WE MAKE A REQUEST FROM THE GROUP. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ANOTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION, BUT FOR ME, PRACTICALLY , IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE ICW.

>> RAY, THAT IS WHERE WAS GOING. YES.

>> SO, IF IT WAS TOO FULL, AND THERE WAS A WAS CONVERSATIONS ON OH, MY GOODNESS, BIGGER BOATS CAN'T GET THROUGH, AND IT GOES FROM EIGHT, TO SIX, FIVE, WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW.

FOR ME, WE CREATE AN ISSUE OR NOT? FROM THE TIME I WAS SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OLD TODAY, I WOULD SAY IT IS DOING THE EXACT

SAME DARN THING. >> BUT NOW YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM

SOME PICTURES, RIGHT? >> I AM STANDING FROM YOUR PRESENTATION THAT YOU ARE DRAFTING YOUR POSITION THERE SUPPORTING OUR POSITION. IS THAT YOUR NEXT STEP CURRENTLY?

A DRAFT OF IT NOW. >> MY SUGGESTION IS IN PLAY THAT WE WAY TO GET THE RESPONSE ON THAT. IF YOU GET THE BEST FIGHT YOU CAN, BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, ONCE WE PAID DOLLAR ONE, WE ARE ON THE HOOK FOREVER. SO, I LIKE THE FIGHT BEFORE WE COMMIT. IF COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON'S TERMINATION IS CORRECT, WHICH IS BACKED BY YOUR DATA, IS A NONISSUE. IF THEY'VE A PROBLEM WITH THEIR PRIMARY, GET ON IT.

LEAVE US OUT OF THAT. OUR CONCERNS ARE THE MARINA AND THE ACCESS CHANNEL. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT, I AM JUST SUGGESTING, DO WE HAVE THE POSITION TO TAKE , I AGREE WITH YOUR POSITION . WE WILL END IN YOUR ALL THIS AND ENGINEERING LABORS ALL THE ENDURING FOLKS CAN UNDERSTAND IT, AND IT HASN'T CHANGED. SO, HOW CAN YOU THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE? I WILL SUGGEST THAT I WOULD LIKE TO WAIT TO GET THE RESPONSE TO THAT MEMO BEFORE WE DISCUSS ANY ACTIVITY THAT THIS PARTY WOULD TAKE. THAT IS IS MY VIEWING.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I KNOW THAT MR. ANDREWS, MYSELF, THE MAYOR, WE WERE IN A MEETING WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ARMY CORPS. I BELIEVE THE COLONEL WAS THERE. I FORGOT HIS NAME. AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A SENSE OF, WATERY, AND HOPEFULLY, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TOWARDS RESOLVING

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WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THE ICW IS FREE AND CLEAR OF ANY OBSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE CAUSED IN THE DECREASE IN OUR NAVIGATIONAL OR NAVIGABLE WATERS. BECAUSE THAT IS OUR INDUSTRY. RIGHT? SO, WE WILL WORK WITH FINES, WE WORK WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, AND WE WILL WORK TO THE RESOLUTION OF THIS ISSUE. BUT, I BELIEVE JACK AND BRIAN ARE HERE TO SAY HEY, LOOK, WE DID NOT CAUSE THE PROBLEM, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS WORK WITH THEM IN DETERMINING A SOLUTION FOR FUNDING AND INVENTED THE DREDGING AS NEEDED.

>> WE ADMIT NOTHING.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

>> OH, WE CAN DISCUSS THEM WITH THEM ALL DAY LONG?

>> THE DATA IS THE DATA, RIGHT? WE WILL GET TO ALL THAT STUFF.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY , WELL, I GET A VOICE OF THE MICROPHONE APPEAR TODAY. BUT I MAY TAX. I DON'T WANT TO PAY TWICE. AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO USE MY MONEY TO DO OTHER THINGS, THEN DO IT. I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK TO ME AND SAY THANKS , I GOT YOUR NICKEL, BUT I CAN GIVE IT TO YOUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I WANT TO PAY AGAIN.

THIS IS ME BEING A TAXPAYER. THAT IS ALL. THANK YOU.

>> AND JUST ABOUT SAYS IT. EVERYONE HAS JUST ABOUT SET IT.

THE PRESENTATION. IT WAS INDEED NERDY, BUT I GOT IT. I

APPRECIATE IT. >> AND I NEED A COPY OF THAT

[d. City Attorney 6-month performance evaluation]

EVALUATION. >> OKAY! I WILL START AND SAY I APPRECIATE WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU. I'M GLAD YOU KEEP ME INFORMED. WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE OFFICE AND GETTING IT TOGETHER, YOU HAVE GOT IT TOGETHER , AND WE WILL JUST KEEP MOVING FORWARD. WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT?

>> I WILL MAKE IT QUICK. MAYBE NOT AS QUICKLY AS YOU. I THINK THE OFFICE THAT YOU TOOK OVER BECAUSE OF THE TURNOVER PRESENTED YOU WITH A MAJOR OBSTACLE TO THE ORGANIZATION , FULL OF WORK, ET CETERA. THAT BEING SAID, YOU ARE THE STAFF MASSIVELY. A SIX-MONTH PERFORMANCE REVIEW I THINK IS ALMOST IRRELEVANT, BECAUSE HER FOUR MONTHS OF THAT, SHE HAD A THIRD OF THE STAFF PLUS A MINISTRY TO FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO EXECUTE IN THE JOB. I THINK SARAH HAS GROWN INTO THE POSITION QUICKLY , AND DEVELOP YOUR TEAM UNDER YOU AS QUICK AS YOU COULD. AND I REMEMBER YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH TRYING TO GET TO THIS MANIFESTATIONS OF IT. I APPLAUD YOU FOR THE SUCCESS THAT YOU HAVE HAD IN GETTING YOUR FEET UNDER YOU, GETTING YOUR STAFFING SET UP, GETTING YOUR OFFICE ORGANIZED .

IN SIX MONTHS, THAT WAS A HERCULEAN TASK. I WILL LEAVE IT

AT THAT. >> AND JUST REAL QUICK, MY CONCERN GOING INTO IT WAS THE ACTUAL STAFFING OF THE OFFICE.

WE WERE DOWN AN ATTORNEY OBVIOUSLY WITH YOUR PROMOTION , SO, IT IS A GREAT TASK THAT YOU HAVE STAFFED YOUR OFFICE WITHIN THE SIX MONTH WINDOW. I HAVE ENJOYED OUR CONVERSATIONS . I FIND YOU TO BE HIGHLY PREPARED FOR OUR CONVERSATIONS , PARTICULAR TO QUESTIONS THAT I POSED WHEN IT COMES TO EITHER ORDINANCES THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS, OR ORDINANCES THAT I AM THINKING ABOUT IS A COMMISSION AS WE DEVELOP TOGETHER. SO SO FAR, GREAT JOB IN THE SIX-MONTH PERIOD

>> YEAH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING ON THAT TASK, AND YOU ARE VERY PROFESSIONAL. AND I SAY THANK YOU DO THAT. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES , THERE ARE A SMALL NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BE ON CALL 24 SEVEN IN THE PUBLIC, THIS COMMISSION TASKS YOU WITH YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES, AND YOU RESPOND WELL TO THOSE. IS VERY EVIDENT IN YOUR HARD WORK IN YOUR ETHICS THAT YOU TAKE THESE TASKS SERIOUSLY , AND YOU RESPOND WELL, AND I APPRECIATE IT. SO, WE WILL TAKE THE CALLS FROM THE PUBLIC, THE FIVE OF US. WE WILL HAVE A THAT. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I BELIEVE PARTS OF THE CONTRACT

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>> YES, SIR. >> MR. ATTORNEY?

>> I MEAN, IT IS BEEN A ROUGH SIX MONTHS. ME AND MADAME ATTORNEY HAVE MISSED A LOT DOING OUR MEETINGS. WE HAVE ONE-ON-ONE MEETINGS, AND I REMEMBER ONE THING I ASKED HER DOING THE HIRING PROCESS . LIKE, YOU HAVE BEEN THERE, SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE STEPPING INTO. ARE YOU READY? AND ONE THING I CAN SAY ABOUT SARAH THAT SHE TAKES HER JOB SERIOUS.

BEING AN ATTORNEY IS A HARD PROFESSION AS IT IS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MEANS THEY'RE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT, AND PEOPLE IN THE CITY DOES NOT UNDERSTAND , JUST BECAUSE I AM SITTING HERE AS A CITY COMMISSIONER , OR SHE IS SITTING OVER THERE AS A CITY ATTORNEY , IF SOMETHING IS SAID , EVEN IF IT IS JUST OUT OF THE BLUE , AND ALWAYS TRICKLES BACK TO TALLAHASSEE.

AND THEN WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION. WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION, AND SARAH AND I BOTH KNOW THAT THAT PHONE CAN RING ANY TIME, AND IT IS TALLAHASSEE SAYING HEY, COME SEE US SOMETHING THAT WAS SAID. I KNOW SHE TAKES HER JOB SERIOUS , I KNOW SHE DEFENDS AND TAKES HER BARLEY SERIOUSLY, BECAUSE I DO THE SAME THING. FOR THAT, GREAT JOB, AND IT IS ANY CHALLENGES THAT YOU GO THROUGH . MAYBE I NEED TO LEARN A FEW THINGS, AND SHUT MY MOUTH LIKE YOU. YOU SHUT YOUR SOMETIMES, AND YOU DON'TSAY ANYTHING, BUT I AM STILL LEARNING. DON'T WORRY. CURTIS HAS BEEN TRYING TO TELL ME THAT FOR TWO YEARS NOW. IT WILL COME SOONER OR LATER. I WILL GET IT.

BUT GOOD JOB, AND I AM GLAD THAT THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE HAD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DON'T LET THEM GET TO YOU.

PEOPLE WILL SAY WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO SAY. THEY TALK ABOUT EVERYBODY APPEAR, SO, JUST DO YOUR JOB, AND THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THE CITY SAFE.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, MESSAGES?

>> NO, OTHER THAN I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE KIND WORDS. I'VE ENJOYED THE LAST SIX MONTHS. I GUESS IT HAS BEEN ABOUT NINE OR 10 MONTHS, ACTUALLY, SINCE JULY. SO, I APPRECIATE WORKING FOR ALL OF YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU ACCEPTING ME IN THIS ROLE.

IT IS BEEN A CHALLENGE YOU TAKEN THE OFFICE, AND MOVE FORWARD, BUT I THINK WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. SO, I

APPRECIATE ALL THE KIND WORDS. >> MADAM MAYOR? MS. HEDGES, YOU HEARD OUR COMMENTS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU AS TO WHERE ARE WE? WHAT DO YOU CEASE ON THE HORIZON? I LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE ON THINGS THAT ARE STILL IN YOUR WHEELHOUSE THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON PLEASE.

>> YES, SIR. I THINK WHAT IS HAPPENING IS THE GROWTH OF THE CITY. WE ARE SITTING A LOT OF WORK COMING SPECIFICALLY INTO MY OFFICE BECAUSE OF THAT GROWTH. I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS GETTING EVERYONE LINED UP , AND THE FLOW OF HOW EVERYTHING IS GOING TO COME OUT. WE ARE WORKING ON WHO IS DOING WHAT ROLE AREA OUR NEW ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY HAS BEEN IN THE OFFICE SINCE JANUARY, SO SHE IS NEW TO THE OFFICE AS WELL. BUT, THE SAME FACTORS FACING ALL OTHER STAFF ARE FACING MY STAFF AS WELL. IT IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH, WHICH BRINGS A LOT MORE WORTH TO EVERYONE INVOLVED .

THE MORE WE EXPAND, THE MORE WE HAVE TO DO IN MY OFFICE, AS WELL AS FROM RISK MANAGEMENT, BECAUSE I DO HAVE THE RISK MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT UNDER ME AS WELL. SO, THAT IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE FACING US. BUT, I DO THINK WE ARE TRYING TO GET OUR FEET UNDER US. ONE OF THE THINGS I TOLD YOU ALL WE WERE DOING THE INTERVIEW IS MY PLAN WAS TO TAKE THE SIX MONTHS TO EVALUATE STAFFING, HOW WE NEED TO PROCEED FORWARD . I DO THINK MOVING FORWARD, THERE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION

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>> AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. NOT ONLY FOR US AS COMMISSIONERS, BUT AT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR. RIGHT? BECAUSE HER EXPECTATIONS AS PEOPLE PUT STUFF IN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE LEGAL LENS OF HOLDINGS AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF THAT COMES IN FROM YOUR PROCESS. WANT TO BE RECEPTIVE OF THAT, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO

[e. Discussion regarding Pinewood Park]

>> OKAY. ARE YOU READY? THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION REGARDING PINEWOOD PARK.

>> OKAY. I ASKED FOR THIS ITEM TO BE ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THERE IS AN INCREASING SITUATION , NOT ONLY IN PINEWOOD PARK, BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE ALL HEARD FROM DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS ABOUT THE HOMELESS IN FORT PIERCE , AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS A SOLUTION WITH THE COUNTY. WE ALL KNOW THAT HOMELESSNESS HAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT CAUSES. SOMETIMES THEY ARE CHRONIC, SOMETIMES THEY ARE JUST TEMPORARY, AND SOMETIMES THEY ARE DEALING WITH HEALTH AND DRUG ABUSE. I KNOW THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WE WILL SOLVE , BUT OVER THE YEARS, WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF PINEWOOD PARK IS THAT THAT PARK HAS BEEN BASICALLY TURNED OVER TO FEEDING THE HOMELESS. WE HAVE TRIED TO GET PEOPLE NOT TO DO THAT, AND TO DO THAT ELSEWHERE. NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT TO FEED THEM, BUT THAT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

THAT SHOULD BE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND RIGHT NOW, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT FEEL COUNTABLE GOING TO THE PARK.

WE HAVE TRY TO COMMISSION AND AS A STAFF TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I KNOW THAT MR. MIMMS HAS HAD DOUBTLESS MEETINGS WITH COUNTIES AND WITH GROUPS TRYING TO TURN THAT AROUND, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT VIOLATES ANYBODY'S CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, BUT WE WANT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO BE SAFE . SO, TO ME, THE IDEAL THING WOULD BE TO FIND A WAY THAT TAKES CARE OF THE SITUATION OF THE HOMELESS, AND WE ARE WORKING ON THAT , BUT ALSO SO THAT THAT PARK IS NOT AN ATTRACTOR FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTED TO THAT PARK. THEY CANNOT FEEL THEY CAN GO TO THE PARK , AND WHAT IS LEFT OF THE PARK IN TERMS OF WHO VISITS IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED , AS WELL AS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SPILLOVER FROM THE PEOPLE THAT LEAVE THAT PARK, AND GO TO OTHER SURROUNDING AREAS AND IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, THERE IS AN ORDINANCE IN THE CITY THAT TALKS ABOUT PEOPLE IN RIGHT OF WAYS ASKING FOR MONEY , AND THAT HAS BEEN PROVED THAT THAT IS -- SOME PEOPLE CALL THAT PANHANDLING , AND THAT IS A STATE STATUTE. YOU CANNOT DO THAT. SO, THERE ARE CONSTITUTIONAL CHALLENGES WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. SO, WHAT I AM BRINGING THIS COMMISSION IS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM IN A WAY THAT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED IT BEFORE. ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS OF BEEN TO MOVE THE PAVILION AND TABLES, AND PUT SOMETHING ELSE THERE THAT WILL ATTRACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE A SPLASH PAD , AND I THINK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PICKLEBALL COURTS ALREADY , BUT THAT PARK, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR OLDEST PARKS IN THE CITY, ONE OF THE OLDEST ONES, IS NOW NOT A NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. SO, I BRING IT TO YOU .

WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE COME BEFORE US AND ASK US TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT PINEWOOD PARK , AND IT IS NOT THAT WE HAVE NOT TRIED, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. OUR POLICE OFFICERS HAVE DONE AS MUCH OF THE CAN'T CONSTITUTIONALLY. SO, MAYBE WE

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>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES?

>> I AGREE. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT A NUMBER OF TIMES. I AM SURE THAT I HAVE MADE THE SUGGESTION IN ADDITION TO WHAT YOU HAVE SAID TO OTHER FOLKS IN CONVERSATION. JUST YESTERDAY, I DROVE DOWN SUNRISE , AND SAW A YOUNG FAMILY. THEY JUST ZIPPED ACROSS, AND IT WAS JUST ODD TO WATCH. THEY SIFT ACROSS TO THE RESTROOMS, AND THEN LEFT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DECIDE TO USE THE RESTROOM OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS MAYBE THINK OF THE PARK AND ITS USE. AND THEN IT STARTED THINK ABOUT ABOUT THE COMPLAINTS OF THE MAINTENANCE, YOU KNOW, OF THE PARK ITSELF, OR THE RESTROOMS , AND IT IS NOT TO SAY THAT STAFF IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE 24/7 OPERATIONS THERE. SO THEN, YOU LOOK AT THE ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND I AM IN VARIANCE OF IT. YOU KNOW, THE INTENTION OF THE PARK, AND THE DEVELOPING OF THE PARK FOR MANY, MANY YEARS HAS BEEN FAMILY ORIENTED, RESIDENT ORIENTED, VISITOR ORIENTED, COME VISIT, THIS IS AWESOME, IT IS A GREAT PARK, IT IS HISTORIC . YOU KNOW, WE BUILT THE AMENITIES MANY, MANY YEARS AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THOSE PAVILIONS WERE BUILT, BUT I AM SURE THAT THEY ARE WELL AGED, YOU KNOW, AND IT IS TRICKY. IT REALLY IS TRICKY. BUT, I WATCHED PATTERNS OF FOLKS USE THE PARK FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

WE ARE TRYING TO REINVIGORATE THE USAGE OF THE PARK, AND CHANGE AMENITIES. I THINK EVEN WAY BACK WHEN , I WAS TALKING WITH COREY BENTON. I REMEMBER ALONG THAT SOUTHERN STREET, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF ADDITIONAL AMENITIES ALONG THE SOUTH END OF THE PARK JUST TO SEE IF WE CANNOT GET MORE ACTIVITIES THERE TO CHANGE THE ELEMENT OF HOW THE PARK IS BEING UTILIZED.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT WAS JUST AN IDEA. AGAIN, IS JUST TRYING TO CHANGE WHAT WAS HAPPENING DAY IN AND DAY OUT. SO, I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO TO CHANGE THIS FORMULA, BUT THE FORMULA NEEDS TO CHANGE WITHOUT IT OUT. BECAUSE THE PUBLIC, THEY WERE JUST NOT ABLE TO USE IT THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED I BELIEVE.

>> AND WE WANT TO PROTECT ALL OF THE PUBLIC.

>> RIGHT. >> AND PUBLIC SAFETY .

>> REAL QUICK, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENTS OF IT NO LONGER BEING USED AS A PARK. IS A SIMPLE AS THAT. THAT IS THE DYNAMIC YEAR. AND WHATEVER CHANGES NEED TO BE AND LAMENTED, EVEN IF THEY ARE EXTREME , THEY NEED TO BE IMPLANTED. THERE IS SIMPLY NO CHOICE. YOU KNOW, IT'S NO LONGER A PARK , I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU REFER TO IT AS.

BUT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES NOT HAVE THE USE OF THAT PARK , AND FOR WHAT IT IS DESIGNED TO DO . AND AS DRASTIC AS THE PLAN YOU ARE SUGGESTING SOUNDS , I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SOLUTION

TO THAT. >> SO, I WOULD AGREE TO THE POINT OF REDESIGNING, RIGHT? AND WHAT I CALL REPROGRAMMING THE USE OF THAT PARK. AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT COME TO MIND. OBVIOUSLY, THERE ARE LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD THINGS , AND I THINK WE MAY NEED TO TASK STAFF AT LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN REPURPOSE THAT PARK TOO? BESIDES OBVIOUSLY KIDS, PLAYGROUNDS, ET CETERA, BUT THE ADULTS THAT WANT TO GO TO A PARK, AND EVEN EVENTS THAT MAY TAKE PLACE AT THAT PARTICULAR PARK THAT WOULD BE FAMILY ORIENTED. RIGHT? I HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. MAYBE BACK TO EARLIER DAYS OUR EASTER EGG PARKS HUNTS IN THAT PART. I'VE NOT SEEN THAT IN A LONG, LONG TIME. I HAVE TO THINK LONG BACK ON THAT ONE. RIGHT? BUT I DO REMEMBER. BUT I THINK THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE WERE HEARING BEING SAID. AND I SAY THAT YOU SEE IS MORE COLLOCATED THAN REMOVING BENCHES. AT THE SAME TIME, WE HAVE TO SIMULTANEOUSLY REPROGRAM AND HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A PARK FOR THE PEOPLE. I THINK WE HAVE TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT EVEN THE EVENTS THAT WE BRING THERE IS A CITY COMMISSION THAT WE MAY SPONSOR THAT WILL HELP TO REINVIGORATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD,

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>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR?

>> MR. MIMMS, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE PARK, AND GET A COMMISSION ON THE WORK BUILDINGS LOOK LIKE? THERE IS THE AGE, THE BATHROOM CONDITIONS, THE TENNIS COURT CONDITION, FENCING CONDITIONS? I MEAN, THERE ARE THINGS THAT, LIKE, AT THE LITTLE LEAGUE PARK FOR INSTANCE , IT HAS BEEN ANALYZED FOR YEARS AND YEARS, BECAUSE YOU WANT THE SAFETY OF THE PUBLIC TO BE A PRIORITY, RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD DOVETAIL THAT INTO THE CONVERSATION OF , YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT, WE DO AN ASSESSMENT OF PROGRAMMING OR IDEAS, MAYBE WE JUST NEED TO CLOSE THE PARK FOR A WHILE, AND DO SOME TRUE MAINTENANCE. WHATEVER THAT BECOMES, WHETHER BECOMES FENCING, WHETHER BECAUSE REMOVING , WHETHER BECOMES TALKING ABOUT PAVILION BATHROOMS, WHATEVER THAT IS , BECAUSE THE PARK IS DEFINITELY WORN , RIGHT? IT IS AGING WITHOUT A DOUBT. SO, THERE IS A PART OF ME THAT WANTS TO GET AN ASSESSMENT OF IT, AND THERE IS A PART OF ME THAT WANTS TO JUST CLOSE IT FOR REPAIRS . I WILL BE FULLY HONEST WITH YOU, CLOSER FOR REPAIRS, AND MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS . IT MAY BE SOME PROGRAMMING IT IS MEANT TO MAINTENANCE. IS THAT POSSIBLE? CONDITION ASSESSMENT? ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN GET THAT DONE. WOULD YOU LIKE THAT BROUGHT YOU AS A REPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION, OR JUST YOU WANT FACTUAL DATA?

>> I THINK JUST A REPORT FOR MYSELF, YOU KNOW, AND THEN STAFF WORKING ON WHAT IS TALKING ABOUT. WHAT DO WE DO

[02:55:01]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. >> YES, SIR. WELL, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT IS CURRENTLY PENDING, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WAITING FOR THE CONTRACTOR TO RESURFACE TO TENNIS COURTS. WE JUST REPLACED THE PLAY LITTLE PLACE THAT AREA, AND WE WERE CONTEMPLATING SOME PARKING IMPROVEMENTS. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, IT IS JUST AN OLD BEETLE RUBBLE. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE THE SEEDINGS, JUST LET ME KNOW. WE WILL GET THAT DONE.

>> ANYBODY? >> I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.

>> AND YOU HAVE SOMEBODY TO SAY?

>> YOU KNOW ME. I AGREE WITH WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID SO FAR. BUT, THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO SKIRT AROUND OR TALK ABOUT, AND I UNDERSTAND, IT IS SOMETHING I SAID MAYBE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO WITH THE HOMELESS POPULATION THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. UNTIL WE COME TOGETHER AND ADDRESS THAT , IF WE CLOSE PINEWOOD PARK , WHICH I AM FINE, WHATEVER , I WILL GO WITH WHAT THE COMMISSION DECIDES TO DO, I CAN TELL YOU TWO OR THREE WEEKS LATER, WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING ANOTHER PARK. SO, I UNDERSTAND, AND ALL OF THE PUBLIC USE, COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING FROM MY CHILDHOOD THAT EVERYBODY RAN TO. AND I REMEMBER GROWING UP AS PLAYING LITTLE LEAGUE. THAT IS THE REASON HAVE -- SEE? I REMEMBER . THAT IS ARE USED TO HAVE OUR LITTLE LEAGUE AFTER YEAR PARTIES. WE HAD THEM AT THE NEW YEAR PARTIES. WE USED TO HAVE PARTIES THERE. I DON'T THE LAST TIME I HAVE DRIVEN BY AND SEEN A PARTY THERE.

>> EVERY DAY. >> BUT NOT THE TYPE OF PARTIES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. SO, I DON'T MIND GOING BACK TO BE PART OF BEING WHAT IS INTENDED, A PUBLIC PARK, BUT I THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO BE TAKING THE LEAD ON AS FAR AS I'M NOT GOING TO PUT ANYBODY ELSE, BUT PUTTING ACTIVITIES THERE. IT'S A MOST TOO LATE NOW TO TRY TO HOST A CITY OF FORT PIERCE EASTER EGG HUNT. I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME, MADAM ATTORNEY, WITH THE LIABILITY AND EVERYTHING. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE ARE OTHER IDEAS THAT ARE COMING UP , OTHER HOLIDAYS, OTHER IDEAS COME OTHER THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP WHERE WE NEED TO TAKE THE LEAD TO SAY IF THIS IS WHAT WE WANT THE PARK TO DO, LET US ALL SHOW UP AND DO WHATEVER, AND DO SOMETHING . YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE A DODGEBALL COMPETITION VERSUS THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, EVERYONE WILL COME TO THAT. I AM JUST SAYING, THOUGH. YOU SEE NOW EVERYONE IS LAUGHING AT STARTING TO THINK ABOUT IT.

THEY LIKE THAT IDEA. SEE? BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS. WE HAVE A GROWING HOMELESS PROBLEM IN FORT PIERCE. EVERY DRIVE AROUND FORT PIERCE, NOT JUST THE PARKS, BUT YOU SEE IT. AND I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT UNTIL WE REALLY SIT DOWN AND ADDRESS THAT , IF WE CHANGE THIS PARK, AS YOU SAID, JEREMIAH , CLOSE IT AND THINK ABOUT IT, AND SEE WHAT WE WILL COME WITH. YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT IN TWO WEEKS, THERE IS EITHER GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT PARK, AND WE WILL BE HAVING THAT SAME THING. WE ARE GOING TO RENT INTO, AND WE USED TO, GET READY FOR THE EMAILS FROM ALL OF THE GROUPS THAT WANT TO FEED AND DO WHATEVER.

HOW DARE YOU DO THIS, HOW DO YOU TREAT SOMEBODY LIKE THIS .

I AM READY FOR THOSE EMAILS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME , LIKE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID , AND I WILL PUT IT ON ME, WHAT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT IS THE RODENT PROBLEM. WHAT YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT IS PEOPLE USING THE BATHROOM ANYWHERE THEY WANT TO USE THE BATHROOM. AND THAT CREATES A HEALTH PROBLEM . THE CRAZY HEALTH PROBLEM. I DON'T NEED A STUDY BECAUSE JEREMIAH WAS BEING VERY NICE. WE KNOW THAT PAVILION IS BEEN A VERY

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LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A GREAT IDEA, CURTIS. HE BROUGHT BACK A LOT OF MEMORIES. IT WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IF WE COULD'VE HELD AN EAST RATE HUNT .

>> WOMEN CLARIFY THAT . I'M SORRY, MADAM ATTORNEY. SOME TYPE OF FESTIVAL HUNT -- COME ON, JEREMIAH. YOU KNOW I AM TELLING THE TRUTH. THAT INCLUDES EASTER EGGS! BUT YOU

KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. >> IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT SOME TYPE OF PARK. A FESTIVAL KICKBALL COMPETITION. I DUNNO, JEREMIAH. SOMETHING THAT WE CAN SHOW THEM HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE AT THE PARK. I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. I'M A PAIR FOR THE

EMAILS THAT COME. >> MAYOR, I WANT TO MOVE THIS ALONG, RIGHT? THE CITY MANAGER HAS ASKED US FOR DIRECTION.

RIGHT? WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HIM COME BACK WITH , NUMBER ONE, WE NEED A CONFERENCE OF LIST JUST FOR REMINDERS SAKE OF ALL THE CITY-OWNED PARKS, NUMBER ONE. SO , I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE THAT. NUMBER TWO, YOU KNOW, A FULL COPPERHEADS OF UNDERSTANDING OF THESE STRUCTURES, THE CONDITIONS OF THEM, ET CETERA. NUMBER THREE, THIS PARK IN PARTICULAR WHERE WE ARE, IT CONCERNS ME THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE TO THE CITY MAKING ALLEGATIONS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE THERE. MEANING NOT ONLY ILLICIT ACTIVITIES, BUT HOW PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING TO THE PARK. MEANING THEY ARE BEING DROPPED OFF BY A SURROUNDING. RIGHT? IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED SUSPEND ALL ACTIVITIES AT THIS PARK, AND WHATEVER IT TAKES TO SUSPEND ACTIVITIES UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GOING ON THERE ANY FULL CONTROL OF WHAT IS GOING ON THERE THAT WE SUSPEND THE ABILITY TO HAVE ANYTHING AT THAT PARK UNTIL WE COME BACK WITH A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT COULD BE THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN OF WHAT THIS PARK IS GOING TO BE. IF IT TAKES THE REMOVAL OF STRUCTURES TO DO THAT , PUT UP NOTICES THAT THIS PARK IS TEMPORARILY CLOSED, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO ACT ON AND FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. MY CONCERN IS THAT WHEN I RECEIVE A LETTER WITH ALLEGATIONS , I WILL NOT BE ON THE RECEIVING END ON THE RESULT OF SOMETHING HAPPENING WHERE WE DID NOT TAKE ACTION. SO, I WOULD RATHER TAKE ACTIONS 120 DAYS , SHUTTING ALL ACTIVITY DOWN IN THE PARK, LET'S COME BACK TO CONFERENCE AGENDA AGAIN , HAVE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE US AN UPDATE AND THEN WE CAN TAKE ACTION FROM THERE. BUT, THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE IS THE CONDITION IN WITH WHICH I AM CAUSING A TEMPORARY CLOSURE OF THIS PARK.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, JUST REAL QUICK , AND I CAN GO ALONG WITH THAT , I DON'T KNOW THIS.

DO ORGANIZATIONS HAVE TO COME AND RENT THAT PARK? BECAUSE

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WHAT I AM SAYING -- >> YOU MEAN RENT THE PAVILION

LIKE YOU DO? >> BECAUSE WHAT I WANT IS A DON'T WANT US TO GO DOWN , AND WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR IN THOSE NEXT 90 DAYS TO HAVE SOME FUNCTION IN THERE, BECAUSE I LOVE THE IDEA. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO WOULD KNOW IF WE HAVE TO RENT THOSE PAVILIONS AT THE PARK. WE DON'T?

>> IF SOMEONE WANTED TO RESERVE THE UTILIZATION OF THE PAVILION, THEY DEFINITELY CAN. AS FAR AS ANY FUTURE RESERVATIONS, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT IF YOU ALL WOULD DIRECT ME TO SHUT THE THING DOWN, THEN FUTURE

RESERVATIONS WILL END. >> THAT IS I ASKED A QUESTION,

SIR. >> I AM IN FAVOR OF THAT RIGHT NOW. LIKE I SAID, PART OF MY DUTY HERE IS TO PROTECT THE TAXPAYING CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY. I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY A LETTER THAT IS WORDED BY AN ATTORNEY TO US , AND UNTIL I CAN GET A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF ALLEGATIONS MADE , SO-CALLED EVIDENCE MIGHT BE COMING FORTH , AND I THINK OUR ISSUE IS MUCH BIGGER THAN THE PEOPLE HERE. BECAUSE HOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING HERE WAS ALLEGED IN THAT LETTER IS DEEPLY TROUBLING TO ME , AND I THINK IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A REAL SERIOUS CONVERSATION WITH OUR LOOK COUNTY DELEGATIONS , BUT OUR COUNTY DELEGATIONS TO INCLUDE OUR STATE LEGISLATORS. BECAUSE IF ANY LENGTH OF THAT IS TRUTHFUL OR IS SUBSTANTIATED BY EVIDENCE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

AND FORT PIERCE WILL NOT BE THE DUMPING GROUND FOR THIS. WE HAVE GENEROUS PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE RESILIENT. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGED ECONOMIC COUNTIES AND CITIES ALONG THE TREASURED COAST IN COMPARISON TO OTHER CITIES AND COUNTIES.

BUT YET, WE ARE NOT TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE HERE, AND IN SOME INSTANCES, WE GET TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. SO, THAT IS MY

DIRECTION, MADAM MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONERS? DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? IS THERE ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION?

>> STOPGAP SCENARIO CLOSURE OF THE PARK UNTIL ALL ANALYSIS DATA CAN BE ACCUMULATED IS THE ONLY SENSIBLE SOLUTION, SO, I

SUPPORT THAT. >> I AM IN AGREEMENT.

>> YES, IF WE DO CLOSE THE PARK, WE WILL NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PHYSICAL IMPEDIMENT TO PREVENT VEHICLES AND PEDESTRIANS FROM ACCESSING THAT. SO, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THAT WILL BE GOING UP IN THE FEET YOUR FUTURE.

>> OKAY. >> IF THE NEXT UP IS MOVING BENCHES AND SEEDS AND ALL OF THAT, THEN THAT IS THE NEXT STEP, AND SO ON AND SO ON. BUT I AGREE FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT, THIS IS A PLACE TO START, AND THAT IT COULD BE A

CASCADING EFFECT AFTER THAT. >> WHAT I THINK AFTER THAT, IT IS STILL IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONFERENCE OF A LOOK AT OUR CITY PARKS THROUGHOUT , BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE A PROBLEM NOW, BUT I HAVE SEEN AND WITNESSED PEOPLE THAT HAVE MADE STRUCTURES OUT OF OTHER PARKS IN OUR CITY PARKS. AND THEY ARE SLEEPING THERE. SO, THAT IS A CONCERN AS WELL. WE DON'T WANT TO PLAY WHAC-A-MOLE HERE , BUT I CERTAINLY DOES WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CONFERENCE OF UNDERSTANDING. THAT IS OUR PARK I DON'T THINK, IT IS A COUNTY.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO AGAIN, EVEN FOR OUR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS A CITYPARK AND A REGIONAL PARK OF THE COUNTY , I THINK WE NEED TO PROPERLY INFORM OUR COUNTY COUNTERPARTS THAT OUR ACTIONS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN SO THAT THEY ARE WHERE WE DON'T SHIFT PROBLEMS TO THE COUNTY NOW.

RIGHT? IN COUNTY PARKS THAT ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY AND

FORT PIERCE. >> AS MY UNDERSTANDING, WE ARE GOING TO REMOVE THE PAVILIONS AND SEATING, CLOSE THE PARK, COME BACK WITH THE IMMEDIATE CONDITION ASSESSMENT FOR THIS PARK , AND THEN HAVE A CITYWIDE CONDITION ASSESSMENT FOR ALL

PARKS. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT WOULD BE MINE. YES,

SIR. >> WE WILL GET IT DONE.

>> I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS, BUT COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU SIT ON THE HOMELESS TASK FORCE. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE IN ADDRESSING ACTUALLY -- I MEAN, THERE IS A RESOURCE HUB UP ON 73, RIGHT? PEOPLE CAN GO GET RESOURCES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YOU CAN'T STAY THERE, RIGHT? AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE AND PARKS RIGHT NOW, NOBODY CAN SLEEP IN OUR PARKS. PARKS ARE CLEARED SUNSET TO SUNRISE , EXCEPT FOR WHERE THE FISH . THAT IS A LITTLE FUZZY THERE.

THAT CAN HAPPEN ANYWAY. AND HER PLEASE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB

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>> MADAM MAYOR, TO GIVE YOU THE MOST OF AN ANSWER I CAN, IT IS STILL A WORK IN PROCESS. LET ME SEE, BECAUSE I SAW ON THE BOARD A REPORT THAT PUT ON THAT. LET ME SEE THIS VERY CAREFULLY. THERE ARE A LOT OF CHIEFS ON THAT BOARD.

>> ENOUGH SAID.

>> THAT IS ALL YOU NEED TO SAY.

>> THERE ARE A LOT OF IDEAS. BUT NOT ENOUGH SOLUTIONS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS THEIR IDEA TO BE THE IDEA . SO, THAT IS ONE OF THE FESTERING PARTS OF THAT BOARD. BUT WE ARE WORKING TO COME TOGETHER TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING. AND I THINK THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE RIGHT NOW IS, YOU KNOW, BASED ON SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE AS A CITY, WE ARE TRYING TO SEE WHERE WE CAN HAVE SOME TYPE OF SHELTER . SOME TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN CITIES AND COUNTIES OR WHATEVER, SOME TYPE OF SHELTER. I THINK THAT IS THE MAJOR MOVE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES? >> I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL OUR COMMITTEE REPORTS, BUT I MET WITH THE EBA. I KNOW PUBLIC COMMENT IS NEXT , CINEMAS OF THE DBA CAME IN AND SPOKE TO ME. MR. MURPHY WAS ONE OF THOSE . HE'S HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, AND THE EXCESS A LOT OF CONCERN, AND THEY HAVE FOR MANY YEARS. BUT NOW, IT GOT AMPED UP IN THE LAST EBA MEETING. AND RIGHTLY SO. SO, THEY'RE LOOKING TO HELP, NOT HINDER.

SO, WHATEVER THEY CAN DO AN ADDITION TO ALL THE CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE BEING HAD, THERE WILLING TO WORK TWO.

WELL. BECAUSE THEIR CONCERNS AT MARINA SQUARE AND DOWNTOWN, RIGHT? SO, THERE ARE CONCERNS AND OTHER PLACES. SO, THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. ARE YOU CLEAR, MR. MIMMS? ALREADY. WE WILL

[5. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

MOVE ON. >> OKAY. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> OKAY, IT IS NOW TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS US. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY GOOD MORNING, BUT GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM SUSAN PERRY WITH UNITED FOR ANIMALS. I AM GOING TO READ THIS IN ORDER TO FIT INTO YOU THREE-MINUTE LIMITATION. THIS IS A LOT. AS YOU KNOW, I CONTINUE TO BE A VOICE FOR ANIMALS AND KEEP ANIMAL ISSUES ON YOUR MIND. WHEN CONSIDERING THE VALUE OF ANIMALS, THAT CONSIDERS AT THE PET SUPPLY INDUSTRY IS A WHOPPING 123.6 BILLION DOLLARS ZERO INDUSTRY. SOME PEOPLE ARE UNAWARE OF THAT. I NEARBY CLIMATE CONCERNS REGARDING SHELTER STATS. FIRST, I COMMEND THE CITIES PUBLIC INFORMATION DEPARTMENT FOR PROVIDING RECORDS THAT I OFTEN REQUEST, BECAUSE I DO NOT -- I RELY HEAVILY ON STATS PROVIDED BY YOUR STAFF. IT CAN BE DAUNTING TO REVIEW THOSE RECORDS, AND I RECENTLY SENT YOU ALL AN EMAIL ON VERY 22ND INFORMING YOU OF THE SHELTER YOU THE NATION CALCULATION RATE OF 25%. I ALSO INFORMED YOU THAT IT WAS WAIVED OF A MORE ACCESSIBLE GOAL OF 10% EUTHANASIA RATE AND CONSIDER NO KILL. THAT RECALCULATION MIGHT BE WRONG, AND IT MAY BE WORTH. I HOPE I AM WRONG, AND SO SHOULD YOU. I'VE EMAILED STAFF REQUESTING A MEETING TO REVIEW THE RECORDS WITH HIM AGAIN TO CONFIRM OR CORRECT A NEW KILL RATE I CALCULATED OF AN UNACCEPTABLE 38%. THIS IS UNTHINKABLE. ORIGINALLY UTILIZE THE CITY SHELTERS FACEBOOK POSTING OF 1700 ANIMALS IMPOUNDED FOR 2023, BUT ACCORDING TO PUBLIC RECORDS PUBLIC AND POUND, IT'S TOTAL OF 1771, NOT 1700, AND WHICH 3700 WERE EUTHANIZED.

THAT IS A HUGE DIFFERENT. IF CORRECT, THEN YOU NEED TO KNOW AND MOVE FASTER WITH IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF BREEDING REDUCTION CONTROL MEASURES , AND THE BUILDING OF AN ON-SITE SHELTER CLINIC TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE SERVICES TO KEEP ENDOWMENTS DOWN, AND THUS, REDUCE THE KILLING. CONSIDER WHAT CAN AND WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DON'T GET IN CONTROL NOW. A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF OUT-OF-CONTROL IS THE STORY OF THE BAUER COUNTY ANIMAL CARE AND ADOPTION CENTER THAT THAT THEY COULD BUILD THEMSELVES OUT OF THE PROBLEM BY INVESTING 16.6 MILLION IN SHELTERING. THE CONTROVERSY CONTINUES WITH SENSATIONAL ARTICLES ABOUT SKATING AUDITS, ENCODING A BLISTERING REPORT BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL OF GROSS MISMANAGEMENT SUCH AS RELEASING DOCS WITHOUT RABIES AND ENTERING THE PUBLIC, DANGEROUS MISUSE OF EUTHANASIA DRUGS TO DISCOVERY OF A SHELTER DIRECTOR CAUGHT ALTERING

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>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO IS NEXT?

>> MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS , EDDIE MURPHY, POINT OF RECORD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING RECORD ON PINEWOOD PARK.

AGAINST THE ADVICE OF MY ATTORNEY, I WILL TELL YOU AND GO ON RECORD THAT WE HAVE HAD TWO STABBINGS IN MY PLAZA THAT EMANATED FROM THE PARK. NOW, WHY THAT IS A PROBLEM, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THAT IS A LEGAL PROBLEM. I THINK THAT PUTS MORE LIABILITY ON THE CITY THAT GOD FORBID, SOMETHING ELSE IS MORE SERIOUS, BUT NOW, YOU ARE TAKING STEPS, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. I AM STILL WILLING TO DONATE $50,000.00, $10,000.00 A YEAR FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TOWARDS IMPROVEMENTS TOWARDS THAT PARK, SO, TAKE ME UP ON THAT. FIND A WAY THAT I CAN DONATE THAT TO THE CITY, AND I WILL DO THAT. THERE ARE 7000 PEOPLE WITHIN A ONE MILE RADIUS , CLOSER TO 8000 PEOPLE WITHIN A ONE-MILE RADIUS OF THAT PARK, AND THANK YOU FOR RETURNING THE PARK, TAKING THE STEPS TO RETURN THE PARK BACK TO THE PEOPLE. IT HAS BEEN PURE -- AND MISERY FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD , FOR MY TENANTS, FOR THE 800 PEOPLE A DAY THAT GO TO THAT PLAZA ON AVERAGE.

SO, WE NEED TO STOP THE MISERY THAT IS GOING ON THERE. I AM SORRY, BUT IT HAS BEEN 15 YEARS! I HOPE IT DOES NOT MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS PUT THEIR TIME IN A BOX WAY, WAY, WAY TOO LONG. AND IF YOU GET FEEDBACK , PLEASE GIVE THEM MY NUMBER. YOU HAVE MY PERMISSION. I WILL DEBATE IT ALL DAY LONG, AND TELL THEM THE STORIES OF THE MISERY THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH FOR 15 YEARS. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. WHO IS NEXT? TO READ SOMETHING, BUT I WANT TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO YOU ALL.

IT IS GOOD SEEING YOU ON SATURDAY AT THE CLEANUP EVENT.

RECORD? >> I AM SORRY. I AM SHOCKED CHESTER. YOUR PHOTOGRAPHY WAS JUST PHENOMENAL THANK YOU.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT -- IS A THANK YOU. I KNOW HER JOB IS COMPLEX AND KEEPING OUR CITY UNIFIED AND CLEAN. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU WHO HAS TAKEN MY CALLS. YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I HAVE BEEN A HUGE PROPONENT OF THE PARTIAL LIEN RELEASE PROGRAM, AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO HAVE A HUGE IMPACT HERE ON THE CITY. SO, I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU WHO HAVE HAD THE TIME TO SIT OUT AND ONLY LISTEN TO ME AS A BROKER, BUT LISTEN TO US AS A COMMUNITY. BECAUSE I THINK THIS SHOWS YOUR INITIATIVE FOR REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BY MAKING THIS ONE SMALL CHANGE.

SO, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT. I TRULY APPRECIATE IT, AND MADAM ATTORNEY , AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR SIX MONTHS, AND WE WISH YOU MORE IN YOUR ENDEAVORS. OKAY?

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> YOU WILL HAVE A GREAT DAY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. WHO IS NEXT?

>> MARJORIE HOWELL. THIS MEETING WAS VERY, VERY INTERESTING, AND I AM GLAD I CAME. I CAME LATE, BUT I AM GLAD I CAME. PINEWOOD PARK, WHERE IS THAT?

>>

>> IT'S ACROSS FROM COLBY STATION.

>> GEORGIA AVENUE. >> ALL RIGHT. YOU ALL ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT, SO I'M NOT EVEN WORRIED ABOUT IT.

ON AVENUE D AND 13 THREE , I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CALL THAT.

A PARK? A SITTING AREA? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE NAMED AFTER SOMEBODY, AND WE WERE GOING TO HAVE ACTIVITIES THERE, AND THEY

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THAT IS WHAT THEY TELL ME. BUT MS. NIXON TELLS ME THAT.

AVENUE D AND 13 THREE. THE HIGH WE MEN ARE PUTTING THEM IN A MUSEUM ON THE CORNER. HOW THAT IS GOING TO LOOK AT HOW THAT IS GOING TO WORK WITH ALL OF THE PEOPLE SITTING THERE ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT, AND THE HIGHWAYMAN ASKING PEOPLE TO COME TO THEIR MUSEUM . SO, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU HAVE TAKEN CARE OF. BUT ONE THING, WE DID NOT GET THE TRAIN STATION , BUT WHILE WE DID NOT GET IT, I AM NOT GOING TO DISCUSS IT HERE, BUT I WAS JUST TOLD ON THE PHONE THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT IT ON TV AND ON THE RADIO EARLIER. SO, YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY WERE SAYING ABOUT IT. IS THAT A PARK ON 13TH STREET AND AVENUE D? WHAT IS IT?

>> WHAT WE WILL DO IS TALK ABOUT IT LATER. THIS IS NOT DIALOGUE. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER.

>> I WISH THAT WE OWNED THE PARK ON AVENUE M AND 13TH STREET. ALL OF THOSE PARKS. THE COUNTY OWNED THEM, BUT THEY DON'T WANT THEM NOW . THERE IS AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> MADAM MAYOR , MR. PARKER. CONGRATULATIONS ON DOING SOMETHING WITH THE PARK THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE DONE.

SOMETHING THAT SITS ABANDONED ARE NOT USED PROPERLY, THE WHILE ABLE TO GET BACK, AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS. THE WHILE IT IS RUNNING THAT PLACE, AND THE PEOPLE CAN COME AND ENJOY IT AS A PARK. ON TOP OF THAT, YOU GUYS HAD A VERY BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT CLOSING THE PARK. IS CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THE DECISION CAME TO CLOSE THE PARKING GARAGE BETWEEN 12 AND SIX . I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM. I DON'T ONLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES OPERATE LATER THAN 12:00 . NOW, YOU'VE BEEN TELLING THAT EMPLOYEES PARK IN THE GARAGE, AND OUT IF THEY WORK AFTER 12:00, WHAT ARE THESE WHAT TO DO? SMOOTHER CAR EVERY NIGHT? THAT IS INSANE, ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE GOING DOWNTOWN IN THE SUNRISE. AND THEN, MY OTHER POINT IS WHERE IS THE PROJECT COMING FROM? IT HAS BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE THEY HAVE HAD THE TRANSFER OF TITLE.

THEY SHOULD BE IN THE SECOND PHASE. WE HAVE NOT SEEN A FLAG, A STEAK, NOTHING HAS BEEN GOING DOWN DOWN THERE. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN PAID THEIR PROPERTY TAXES AS OF THIS MORNING. SO, DO WITH THAT AS HE WILL.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> GIVE ME ONE SECOND, SORRY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MICHELLE GARZA. I JUST WANT TO DISCUSS HERE, YOU GUYS ARE PRAISING SARAH HEDGES, BUT I HAVE A COMMENT. I'M JUST GOING TO READ THE STATEMENT. YOU KNOW, PURSUANT TO POSTING AND IMPLEMENT AGREEMENT DATED SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2023 BETWEEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND SARAH K HEDGES, THE CITY SECURED LEGAL REPRESENTATION FROM SARAH HEDGES A FACT OF SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2024, WITH DISREGARD OF THE EGREGIOUS CONTEXT SEVERAL MONTHS PRIOR TO BEING PROMOTED. SARAH K HEDGES IS BOUND BY SECTION 5 TERMINATION . IT BEGINS ON PAGE FIVE AND CONTINUES TO NUMBER SEVEN, AS DEFINED BY FLOOR TO STATUTE FOUR-POINT 036 , OPEN PRINT, 29] , WHICH STATES MISCONDUCT IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THE CONDUCT OCCURS AT WORKPLACE OR DURING WORK HOURS INCLUDES NOT LIMITED TO THE

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SHE WRITES AWFUL PARKING TICKETS IN THE CITY OF FOUR PEERS. OTHER BOYS WERE PRESENT ON THIS MORNING WHERE, I WILL DISCOLOR MICHAEL, BECAUSE I CAN'T SAY HIS LAST NAME. IT WAS DISCUSSING THAT LINDA COX, WHO IS OUR CITY CLERK, ISSUED AN UNLAWFUL PARKING TICKET. MICHAEL RECOGNIZED THE NAME, BUT DO NOT KNOW THE CITY CLERK, ACCORDING TO THE MEMO, AUTHORIZED ON MARCH 9TH, 2023 BY THE CITY MANAGER. HEDGES WAS FOUND TO BE -- TO HAVE VIOLATED A MEMO THREATENING, INTIMATE EATING, OR COURSING SUPERVISORS OR PUBLIC AT THE TIME, INCLUDING THE USE OF ABUSIVE, FELLOW, AND OF SEEN LANGUAGE, AN UNLAWFUL OR INAPPROPRIATE CONDUCT EITHER ON OR OFF THE JOB, WHICH WOULD BE ATTENDED TO EFFECTIVELY RELATIONSHIPS , YOU KNOW, AND HIS REALM. MICHAEL STATED THAT HE WAS BOTHERED BY THE COMMENTS, AND FEARED RETALIATION. HE ALSO STATED THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO BE IN THE CAR WITH HEDGES ON HER GOING TO THE COURT. HE WAS FEELING, QUOTE, MESSED UP ABOUT THE SITUATION, EVEN AT HOME, FEELING LIKE HE DID NOT WANT TO COME BACK TO WORK. THIS IS THE KIND OF WORKPLACE THAT YOU GUYS ENCOURAGE. ON MARCH 10TH, SHE ADMITTED TO CALLING HIM THIS. SHE SAID THAT SHE WAS, QUOTE,

JOKING. IN A COURT? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO IS

NEXT? >> HELLO. MY NAME IS INTERNATIONAL WORLD NEWS. YOU HAVE A LAWSUIT COMING. YOU VIOLATED MY RIGHTS! NOT COOL. JUST BE PREPARED. GET YOUR LAWYERS READY. YOU TRY TO FIND SOLUTIONS TO ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS, BUT RIGHT HERE IS A SOLUTION. YOU HAVE HOMELESSNESS ALL AROUND HERE. I CAN HELP FIX THAT IF YOU WANT. THAT THERE IS IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION AS WELL. IF I WANT TO CURSE OR WHATEVER I WANT TO DO HERE, I CAN DO THAT.

BASICALLY YOU ARE SAYING THAT YOU CAN JUST KICK ME OUT IF I START CURSING? THAT'S NOT COOL. YOU WANT SOLUTIONS TO THAT HOMELESS PROBLEM ? GET IN TOUCH WITH ME. ALL RIGHT?

>> THANK YOU, SIR. WHO IS NEXT.

>> SORRY, I HAVE CENTRAL TREMORS THAT ARE PRETTY BAD TODAY. I CANNOT STAND VERY WELL. CHRIS EINSTEIN, 207,

ORANGE AVENUE. >> YOU HAVE A MICROPHONE THERE,

CHRIS? >> YES, IS THAT OKAY?

>> YES. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS I JUST WANTED TO PICK UP. ONE, WHEN YOU HAD THE CAR SHOW ON DECEMBER 14TH, THE A.D.A. ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE SIDEWALKS, MY FATHER AND I WERE OUT AND ABOUT. THEY ARE TAKING THE CARS AND BLOCKING THE CUTOFFS FOR THE SIDEWALKS.

BLOCKING ALL A.D.A. ACCESSIBILITY. POLICE WERE THERE. THEY SAID THEY HAD NO RIGHTS AND COULD NOT DO ANYTHING. YOU HAD TO CALL CITY HALL. THIS WAS LATE AT NIGHT AREA THERE'S NOBODY HERE AT CITY HALL , AND YOU DON'T HAVE YOUR EVENT MANAGER ON CALL. I CANNOT GET THEM OFF THE SIDEWALK. THEY ARE BLOCKING THE CARS. HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THAT IS A GOOD AREA TO HAVE THE CAR SHOW. FOR THE CITY AND DOWNTOWN PATRONS, THE SIT THERE AND RATHER ENGINES, BLOCKING THE SIDEWALKS, YOU CAN GET IN AND OUT OF THE STORES, IT'S VERY LOUD, PLEASE CONSIDER MOVING INTO A DIFFERENT AREA. BUT MORE SO, THE A.D.A., YOU HAVE YOUR EVENT. IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT IN A PERMANENT, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMEBODY ON CALL. THEY SAID THE POLICE HAD TO CALL HERE. IF THEY COULD NOT DO ANYTHING IN THE EVENT PERSON HOLDING THE EVENT THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BLOCK THE ENTIRE STREET, THEY PAY FOR A PERMIT, THEY COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. I COULD NOT GET MY DAD, AGAIN, OFF OF IN DOWNTOWN, WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT THE BUSINESSES, AND KEEPING THEM HERE. WITH THE COST OF THE TAXES AND THE INSURANCES AND EVERYTHING, PRICES ARE GOING UP. RATES AND LEASES ARE GOING UP, AND PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD THE RENT . A LOT OF VACANCIES ARE DOWNTOWN NOW , AND I'M AFRAID OF HOW MUCH WERE VACANCIES WILL COME. YOU LOOK AT GETTING MORE

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SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAVE ALL THE TAXES AND GRANTS, SOMETHING ELSE. MAYBE WE CAN HELP TO THESE DOWNTOWN -- AND PLANNING, SAME THING. CHRISTOPHER BROUGHT IT UP, BUT THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE IN PHASE ONE. WHY ARE THEY DEVELOPING TOWNHOMES VERSUS A HOTEL? WHAT IS GOING TO STOP THEM FROM JUST THINKING AND ON THE TOWNHOMES, AND THEN NOT BRINGING UP A HOTEL INTO HERE? AND THEN WE WILL BE STUCK HAVING TO PAY THE TAX BILL. AS OF MARCH 12, 2023, THAT IS A YEAR AGO. HOW DO THEY CIRCUMVENT AND GET AROUND? HOW DID THEY END UP BEING ABLE TO GO FROM EIGHT TOWNHOMES TO 10 OWN HOMES? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A MAJOR AMENDMENT BASED ON, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT 10 HOME SECTION .

THEY HAD A MINOR AMENDMENT BASED ON THE ENTIRE PROJECT.

SO, HOW DID THAT'LL HAPPEN? AGAIN, FALSE PROMISES KEEPING ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING, AND NOTHING. I'M A PERSON WANTS TO MAKE PROJECTS, AND KEEP, YOU KNOW, GETTING PULLED BACK. THERE IS STILL NO WORD ABOUT OUR PROJECT.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. WE

WILL MOVE ON. >> MADAM MAYOR? MY APOLOGIES. I HAVE TWO AXES MYSELF. I HAVE A PROBLEM AT MY OFFICE THAT NEEDS MY IMMEDIATE ATTENTION. SO, I WILL SHOOT MYSELF.

>> YOU HAVE ANY COULD KILL TO SHARE WITH US?

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES CAN GIVE THE REPORT FROM THE RETIREMENT BOARD , WHICH WAS A VERY ENLIGHTENING MEETING . BUT

[6. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

>> OKAY, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. MISS COX?

>> YES, SIR. WE HAVE COMMISSION BOARDS AND CITY

UPDATES. >> WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST?

>> I WILL GO AHEAD ANSWER. I WILL MY LIST OUT HERE. WE HAD A MEETING THIS PAST WEEK WITH THE LAND ACQUISITION. IT IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST ONE I HAVE MADE, BUT WE ACTUALLY MET.

THERE IS SOME ACTIVE LAND ACQUISITION OPPORTUNITIES UP.

I CALL IT THE OLD TURNPIKE FEEDER ROAD OFF OF U.S. ONE.

SO, THAT AREA UP THERE IS OBVIOUSLY AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE SOME EXOTIC SPECIES OF THEIR, AND A COUPLE OF LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS . SO, WE VOTED TO ACQUIRE SOME PARCELS THERE, AND ALSO GIVE DIRECTION TO STOPPING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT BLOCKS OF OPPORTUNITY IN THAT AREA FOR PRESERVATION, ET CETERA.

SO, THAT WAS PRETTY EXCITING. MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO REPORT ON THE FIRE BOARD. I MISSED THE LAST MEETING. I WILL LET YOU HANDLE THAT. THE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL HAS A REGIONAL MEETING WHERE WE MEET BEACH FOLKS. I WILL SEND A MESSAGE WITH YOU, AND THAT IS COMING FRIDAY. LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET , WE JUST HAD A MEETING . THERE WAS A BIG FESTIVAL COMING UP MAY 18TH. 10:00 TO 4:00 ON EIGHTH AND AVENUE D, AND THIS IS IN CELEBRATION OF BACK IN THE PROCLAMATION , AND THE FREEDOM CELEBRATION, ET CETERA. SO, THAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON MAY THE 18TH. AND I AM SURE MORE WILL COME, BUT THERE WILL BE ACTIVATION OF THAT EVENT ON EIGHTH AND AVENUE D. SO, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF GREAT ACTIVITIES. IT LOOKS TO BE VERY INCLUSIVE OF A NUMBER OF CULTURAL GROUPS FROM OUR COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE INDIAN COMMUNITY, THE ASIAN, OBVIOUSLY THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN , SO, IT WILL BE JUST A GREAT FESTIVAL SOUND LIKE.

>> IT WAS TO GO NEXT? COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE MET LAST WEEK. OUR SPEAKER FOR THAT EVENT HAD AN EMERGENCY COME UP, SO HE WAS GOING TO GIVE US SOME DETAILS ON STORMWATER PROCEDURES . I WAS LAUGHING, LIKE, OKAY, I SHOULD'VE ASKED COMMISSIONER JOHNSON TO STEP IN ON THIS ONE FOR ME, BECAUSE IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE. SO, THEY'RE GOING TO RESCHEDULE THAT. I WILL DO A REPORT ON THAT THEN. THE CONSERVATION MEETING IS COMING UP.

HOMELESSNESS IS COMING UP, MEANING IT IS COMING UP ROUNDTABLE. I KNOW I SWITCHED WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON .

THAT 8:30 FRIDAY MORNING IS HARD FOR ME TO GET THERE. NOT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE THERE. A LOT OF TIMES, I WAS THERE LAST WEEKEND . THEY HAD A DISCUSSION WITH EVERYBODY. I SAID IF I AM HERE, I CAN COME , BUT LOOKING ON MY AGENDA, NEXT

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A NEW THING? >> CHILD TRAFFICKING?

>> YES. THAT IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED, AND THEN THERE WAS A YOUNG LADY WHO GAVE US SOME DETAILS, AND I COME TO FIND OUT THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE GROWING TREASURE COASTS. IT'S ONE OF THE HAUNTED AREAS FOR THE TRAFFICKERS. THERE MOVING UP YOUR , AND I INVITED HER TO COME TALK TO THE CITY TO GET WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND THEN COME TALK TO US, AND GIVE US THE SAME PRESENTATION SEE YOU GUYS WOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO. SO, THAT WAS ROUNDTABLE. RETIREMENT BOARD. I THINK WE HAVE A MEETING THIS WEEK COMING UP , BUT IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE DID BRING UP THE IDEA -- WE HAD ORIGINALLY SHEARY SITS THERE , AND TALK TO US FOR ABOUT TWO HOURS. THIS BOARD HAS TO AGREE TO TELL THE ENTIRE RETIREMENT BOARD TO GO AHEAD AND SPEND THE MONEY TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST. IF THERE IS A PRICE , I AM WAITING TO GET THE PRAISE FROM JONAH TO SAY WHAT IT IS , BUT THERE IS A PRICE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN'T DO , BUT THEY NEED DIRECTION FROM US TO SAY GO AHEAD AND SPEND THAT MONEY TO DO IT, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE AN IDEA. THAT IS WHAT COMMISSIONER BRODRICK WAS TALKING ABOUT. WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABOUT RETIREES , IT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO MEET WITH PERSONALLY, AND JUST SEE WHAT IT WOULD COST, YOU KNOW, AND SEE WHAT IT WOULD DO FOR OUR RETIREES , AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION.

RIGHT NOW, WE DON'T , BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE NOT IN FRONT OF

US. >> RIGHT.

>> LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WE MET LAST WEEK, AND AS WE ARE AWARE , THAT BOARD PRESENTED SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE COMMISSION, AND THEY ARE WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM US.

I WAS ASKED, THAT COMMITTEE WANTS TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS BY STATUTE , WHAT DO WE WANT THEM TO DO? THEY GAVE US OUR RECOMMENDATIONS , WE ARE MEETING AGAIN AND GOING ON, BECAUSE BY STATUTE, WE HAVE SO MANY MEETINGS , BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE FROM US, LIKE, WHERE DO THEY WANT US TO FOCUS? DO THEY WANT US TO FOCUS ON -- DO WE WANT THEM TO FOCUS ON THE FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY GAVE US? WE TRY TO BREAK THEM DOWN IN DETAIL? WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR IS SOME GUIDANCE FROM US AND HOW TO PROCEED, BECAUSE THEY CAN ONLY GO BY STATUTE. SO, THEY FIND THE STATUE, AND THEY TALK ABOUT THOSE 12, BUT THEY PRESENTED FIVE -- OKAY. THEY RESENTED FIVE TO US, AND WE WERE PUTTING TOGETHER FEEDBACK. SO, WE HAVE NOT GIVEN THEM FEEDBACK YET , AND I KNOW THE CITY STAFF IS LOOKING AT THIS. FOR RIGHT NOW , WE ARE LOOKING AT EACH OTHER LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE WANT TO DO. SO, THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO GO BACK FOR. THERE IS A COUNSELOR OF AGING, WHERE THE MEETING IS , IF NOT THIS WEEK, NEXT WEEK.

>> MR. MIMMS, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> OH, COMMERCIAL GAINS. >> YES.

>> I JUST SENT BACK SOME FEEDBACK. I KNOW THERE WAS A RESOLUTION BY THE CITY COMMISSION THAT WAS APPROVED FOR ONLY CITY STAFF TO LOOK AT THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN MOVE FORWARD AS TO HOW WE UP LAMENT THAT. SO, THE FIRST THREE I ADMINISTRATED , THEY WERE ACCEPTED AND THEY WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. BUT THE LAST TWO AS FAR AS WAIVING ALL PERMIT AND BUILDING FEES, AND ALSO ESTABLISHING A NEW NAVIGATOR POSITION, THOSE WERE NOT ACCEPTED.

>> OKAY. THAT GIVES ME SOME FEEDBACK, MR. MIMMS, AND I CAN GO BACK AND SAY HEY, GUYS, LET'S FOCUS ON THE LAST TWO

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YEAH . THAT IS PERFECT. >> MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT ROUNDTABLE. I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A CHALLENGE WITH ME. THEY WOULD INSISTED SEE THAT WHOEVER IS ON THERE HAS TO BE THERE, RIGHT? THERE IS NO DELICATE THAT CAN SUBSTITUTE IT, AND I THINK THAT IS THE CHALLENGE WE HAD THERE. YOU KNOW, DUE TO TRAVEL OR OTHER THINGS WE HAVE GOING ON, IF YOU CAN'T, THERE IS NO VIRTUAL PARTICIPATION , DURING COVID, IT WAS ALWAYS A VIRTUAL, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOW, IT IS MORE IN PERSON. SOMETIMES, IT IS VERY, VERY STRICT ON WHAT THEY ARE DEMANDING, AND IT IS CHALLENGING. WE APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING UP TO SUPPORT ME, I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THERE'S THE CHILDREN SERVICES COUNSEL, RIGHT?

>> A LOT OF THOSE 830 MEETINGS . I JUST WANT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND THEN AGAIN, WITH TRAVEL --

>> I WAS ON THERE FOR SIX YEARS. I AM AWARE OF THE FACT.

>> IF YOU TALK PERSON OF EVERY AGENCY , THEY DON'T WANT ANY SUBSTITUTIONS. YOU WANT YOUR TIME USED WISELY. YEP. I GET

IT. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON,

YOU NEXT. >> VERY BRIEFLY, ON THE TPO, THERE WAS CONVERSATION AND DISCUSSION ON URBAN BOUNDARIES, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARDS TO TRANSPORTATION. SO, THAT WAS DISCUSSED. IN ADDITION TO THAT WAS THE LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION , AND THEN LOOKING AT VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE PLANNING PROCESS, OF COURSE, THAT INCORPORATES THE SHORT-TERM OF FDO T, AND HAVING A TARGET ZERO, WHICH IS LIMITING , AND HAVING A ZERO NET FATALITY RATE ALL BEASLEY TARGETS FROM ZERO BASED ON THE PERMIT ARE DESIGNS AND SAFETY , AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES. IS A VERY ROUTINE THING , BUT THAT WAS DISCUSSED IN FEBRUARY. IT JUST REPEATS

EVERY YEAR . >> ALL THOSE ACRONYMS.

>> THAT IS RAY. AS FAR AS THE TDC, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SHORT IT CHARLOTTE NOT LONG AGO. SHE WOULD LIKE TO COME TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND ACTUALLY PRESENT THE REPORT. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE THAT REPORT ALSO. SO, NICK, I WILL SEND THAT TO YOU AND SPEAK WITH YOU TO GETTING HER ON THE AGENDA. I AM ALSO MEETING WITH THEM ABOUT OUR SELFIE STATION , WHICH WE HAVE LAMENTED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO . WE HAD A NICE, PRETTY BACKDROP FOR SUNRISES AND SUNSETS IF YOU ARE FLOATING AROUND THERE. JUST TRYING TO INCORPORATE OTHER AREAS FOR OUR CITY. I JUST WANT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE IDEAS OR THOUGHTS FOR INCREASING THE TOURISM COMPONENTS FOR OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. MAINSTREAM USUAL EVENTS, WE HAVE COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR THAT IS COMING UP. YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO ANNOUNCE THAT AS WELL , BUT IS THAT THIS FRIDAY?

>> IT IS THIS FRIDAY THE 15TH. >> THE FIRST TIME IT IS LANDED ON A FRIDAY. THE FIRST FRIDAY OF THE MONTH. THAT IS FOR MAIN STREET. A COUPLE OF BIG EVENTS COMING UP FOR MAIN STREET , THERE ARE NEW EVENTS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH FRIDAY FAST . JUST, YOU KNOW, FREE FROM THAT ONE AS WELL.

JUST TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME NEW IDEAS AND SOMETHING NEW.

BECAUSE EVEN THE CAR EVENT WAS MENTIONED TODAY , SO I HAVE SOME POINT LATER ON TO TALK ABOUT THAT. NOT IN THIS MEETING, THOUGH. IN THE CHAMBER, WE WILL HOST THE EVENT HERE ON MARCH 28TH, I BELIEVE IT IS. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IT IS AT 3:00 P.M. I WILL BE HERE IN THIS CHAMBER, RIGHT?

OKAY. >> WHAT ARE WE HOSTING?

>> IT IS GOING TO BE THE MONTHLY CHAMBER MEETING.

>> OH, IS THERE BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING.

>> IT IS A BOARD OF DIRECTOR MEETING, AND ANY SOCIAL EVENT DOWNTOWN AFTERWARDS. WE JUST WANT TO GET FOLKS HERE INTO THE

DOWNTOWN BOARDROOM. >> GREAT!

>> I MEAN, THAT'S OPEN. IS IT OPEN?

>> NOT REALLY. >> IT'S A BOARD MEETING.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER. >> I AM COMING. I AM THE

TECHNOLOGY BACKUP. >> I AM SURE YOU WON'T BE

TURNED AWAY. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> I WILL BE THERE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU ARE ON THE DBA. IS THAT A FORMAL MEETING?

>> IT IS, YEAH. >> OKAY, WE HAVE FOR SOME

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THEM. >> I JUST MET WITH THEM LAST WEEK. I KNOW THE GUY WHO ORGANIZES IT, SOIL REACH OUT.

>> RAY, AND THAT IS THE LAST GROUP I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT. THEY ARE VERY IN TUNE WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING ON OUR BUSINESS LEVEL AND PERSONAL LEVEL. THE HOMELESS ISSUE, THERE DEFTLY ENGINE WITH THAT. THEY TRIED TO HELP IN ANYWAY, WHICH I MENTIONED BEFORE. LOOKING AT EVENTS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT IS ENTERTAINMENT VENUES, AND WHAT'S NOT, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF THINGS. THEY THROW THEIR SUPPORT IT IN DIFFERENT ARENAS ALL OF THE TIME.

>> RIGHT. >> AND FOR A VERY GOOD REASON.

WITH A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PARKING GARAGE , AND THE HISTORICAL ASPECTS OF THE PARKING GARAGE THAT A LOT OF FOLKS DID NOT REALIZE THAT WERE IN PLAY FOR NEW YEAR'S. THE PARKING GARAGE IS UNIQUE ALSO , AND I CANNOT SEPARATE ONLINE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT ONE AS WELL WITH YOU ALL AND WITH THE PUBLIC. SO, HERE WE ARE. THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

>> WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE PARKING GARAGE, MR. MIMMS? WHAT IS THE STATUS OF OUR HOURS OF THE PARKING GARAGE?

>> NO CHANGE. >> NO CHANGE ? IT IS OPEN 24

SEVEN? >> YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. I'VE ALSO HAS A PEOPLE TALK TO BE ABOUT THE CAR SHOW WITH DIFFERENT THINGS , BUT I WILL SAY THAT FOR A CONVERSATION WITH YOU. SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE CAR SHOW THAT I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE. SO, LEGISLATURE ADJOURNED .

THERE ARE QUITE A FEW BILLS THAT PASSED THAT I WAS GOING TO GO OVER, BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WILL JUST SAY THAT ONE MAJOR ONE ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO AFFECT OUR PROCESS . ALSO, THE BUILDING APARTMENT TIMETABLES, I'M SURE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT HAS TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT THEY DO BUSINESS , AND SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY FAILED , BUT WILL COME GROWING BACK NEXT YEAR. ONE INTERESTING THING IS THEY PASSED A LAW THAT SAYS PRIVATE SCHOOLS CAN ESTABLISH NEW CAMPUSES WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ZONING IN THE CITY .

THAT PASSED. SO, THEY COULD BE ESTABLISHED IN A CHURCH OR A THEATER , BYPASSING LOCAL ZONING RULES. AND, FMI TEAM NEEDS NEXT WEEK, AND THE FIRE BOARD IS IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING A NEW TREASURER. AND FP WAVE IS GOING ALONG MEETING, AND THINGS ARE MOVING ALONG WITH MOVING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. SO, I THINK THAT IS IT, UNLESS

COMMISSIONER GAINES? >> REAL QUICK, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE AN EXTENDED DISCUSSION, BUT I AM CURIOUS.

WHAT IS A PIECE OF LAND ON 13TH? IS THAT A PARK? WHAT IS

IT? >> YES, I MEANT TO ASK THAT YOU. IT IS A PLAZA OR SOMETHING.

>> IS IT A PLAZA? CITYPARK? AT ALL-TIME OF NIGHTS, THAT AREA IS FULL. SO, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MYSELF, WHAT IS IT?

>> SIR, I DO NONE OF THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION, BUT I DO KNOW THAT IT WAS ENVISIONED TO MIMIC AND BE VERY SIMILAR TO MARINA SQUARE. IN MARINA SQUARE IS A PARK. THAT WAS ONCE POLITY LANE OR MELODY SQUARE PARK. IF YOUR MEMBER PICNIC TABLES OR WHATNOT, THAT WAS STRANGE TO MARINA SQUARE. THAT 13TH STREET PLAZA, WHICH I GUESS WE HAVE ANY MORE MEMORIAL FOR JULIA SLEEP, HE WAS ONE TIME AN EMPLOYEE OF THE UTILITIES

AUTHORITY. >> HE WAS THE CITY

COMMISSIONER. >> IS THE SAME ONE? OKAY. AND

CITY COMMISSIONER. >> BUT, I WILL SAY THEY WERE

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DO. >> REAL QUICK, MADAM MAYOR , YOU ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT -- YOU HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AT, FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA , AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID , I JUST HEARING THOSE TWO IN THERE.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY EXACTLY THAT. IS THAT A PARK?

>> IN THE NORTH CREEK? >> THAT IS A PARK.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION.

>> PUT IT IN THERE! >> LISTEN, THIS IS ALL ON OUR WEBSITE! EVERY SINGLE PARK, AND MORRIS CREEK LINEAR PARK, JUST LIKE JENNY HAS A LINEAR PARK. THAT HAS ALL OF THE BASICS.

WHAT IT DOES NOT HAVE I THINK IS WHAT YOU ASKED FOR, WHICH IS THE CONDITION OR HOW THE AMENITIES ARE IN THAT SORT OF

THING. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> I THINK WE ARE ADJOURNED,

RIGHT? >> WE ARE ADJOURNED. NO MORE TALKING, RIGHT?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.