Apr 09, 2024 FPRA Regular Meeting Agenda

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY. IT IS TUESDAY, APRIL THE NINTH, PLEASE STAND FOR THE

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> CALL ROLE, PLEASE. >>

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> FIRST ITEM OF THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR

MARCH 12, 2024 REGULAR MEETING. >> MOVE OF APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> IS A MOTION AND SECOND.

[5. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA]

CALL ROLE PLEASE. >>

WE HAVE THE AGENDA TO -- >> ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? IF NOT, IF NOT, I WILL MAKE --

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[6. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject on this agenda may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Chairperson, as this section of the Agenda is limited to fifteen minutes. The FPRA Board will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Chairperson, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND YOUR NAME. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU WILL BE GIVEN A WARNING OF THREE SECONDS.

WELL. I WANTED TO TALK LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE KINGS LANDING PROJECT IN THE STATE THAT IT IN. I WANT TO BRING SOME CRITICAL POINTS AND CONCERNS TO YOUR ATTENTION TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS PROPERTY. MY BIGGEST CONCERN , WHICH I'VE BEEN VOCAL ABOUT IS PROTECTING THE PEOPLE AND THE DEPOSIT FOR THE COMMERCIAL SPACES. AND HAVING INSURED PROTECTED, EVEN IF IT'S NOT THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. HOPEFULLY, THEY CAN COME UP WITH A PLAN, OR YOU KEEP THIS IN CONSIDERATION TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS RETURNING THEIR MONEY. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE CAN BE AN ISSUE THERE. YOU CAN STILL SUBMIT DEPOSITS ON THE DEVELOPERS WEBSITE FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL SPACES. AND IT'S A QUICK FORM HERE . SENDING THE MONEY AND THERE'S NO CONTRACT OR ANYTHING THERE. PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THEIR MONEY WAS SAFE AND THE CITY DID A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE WITH OUR RFQ PROCESS. WHEN I SUBMITTED THE PUBLIC REQUEST FOR COPIES OF THE RFQ PAPER FOR AUTOBAHN, BECAUSE THE ONE ONLINE FOR THE FEBRUARY 19TH -- OR FEBRUARY 11TH, 2019 MEETING IS NOT COMPLETE. ALL THE OTHER APPLICANTS SUBMITTAL IS COMPLETE WITH THE AFFIDAVIT AND ALL THE PAPERWORK THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RETURNED AND SIGNED AND COMPLETED WAS COMPLETED. AUTOBAHNS -- WHETHER OR NOT OR THE ONE WORD IN THEIR THAT WE THEY WERE USING TO MAKE SURE IT WAS NOT FRAUD BY SIGNING THE AFFIDAVIT. FROM WHAT WE QUICKLY UNCOVERED, THEIR PROJECTS THAT THEY REPRESENT THAT THEY BUILT, THEY DID NOT BUILD. AND WITH THE CITIES DURING THE RFQ PROCESS, WE THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE EMBEDDED PROPERLY AND THEY WOULD BE ON THE SHORTLIST AND NOW EVERYONE IS UNCOVERING THAT IT'S NOT AND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY THAT IS OUT THERE. AND HOW TO PROTECT THIS AND WE ARE WORKING WITH ONE DEVELOPER REPRESENTATIVE THAT HAS SOME OF THE PEOPLE'S BEST INTEREST AND SAID THEY WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE THEM WHOLE MOVING FORWARD . TIM AND CASEY MULLEN ASSEMBLED A DEVELOPMENT TEAM WITH STRONG INTEREST IN THE PROJECT . I'VE SPOKEN TO THEM ON BEHALF OF THE COMPANY AND CAP TECH , THEY ARE ALSO STRONG INTEREST IN THE PROJECT AND THEY ALLOWED THEM TO EXPOSE THEIR NAMES FOR THIS AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD PAY X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO HELP US MOVE FORWARD WITH TAKING OVER THE PROJECT . WHETHER OR NOT YOU GUYS GO THAT ROUTE OR NOT , I JUST KNOW THIS IS GOING TO GET TIED UP WITH AS MUCH MONEY WITH POTENTIALLY LOSING IF WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR WAY TO HOPEFULLY GET MORE MONEY BACK. I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND EXPLAIN TO YOU PER SITUATION.

>> LET ME JUST SAY, THAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. WE HAVE A NEW THREE MINUTES GOING. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? YOU NEED TO STATE YOUR NAME AND NOW IT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES. USUALLY, TWO PEOPLE TO COME UP AT A TIME. THAT'S FINE. I UNDERSTAND.

>> WOULD PREFER NOT TO USE HER LAST NAME AND PERSONAL ADDRESS.

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>> I WAS INTERESTED IN INVESTING IN THE AUTO

DEVELOPMENT OF KINGS LANDING. >> COULD YOU MOVE THE MIC A

LITTLE CLOSER ? >> STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN.

>> DEBORAH. AND I SAW PROJECT THAT I NEED -- SO I WENT TO A REAL ESTATE COMPANY THAT I TOLD WAS REPRESENTING THEM AND I SAID I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A DEPOSIT ON A CONDOMINIUM AND THEY SAID THEY ALWAYS LOOKING FOR. IN A FEW DAYS, I GOT A PHONE CALL SAYING THE DEVELOPER WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO ME ABOUT INVESTING IN A HOME THAT WOULD BE THE MODEL THAT I WOULD GET AN INTEREST FOR TWO YEARS . IF IT WAS NOT BUILT INTO YEARS, I WOULD GET MY MONEY BACK. I HAVE BEEN GETTING INTEREST UNTIL THE FIRST OF MARCH AND HE QUIT PAYING THE INTEREST. WHEN I ASK ABOUT THE MONEY BACK , BECAUSE MAY 1ST WILL BE THE TWO YEARS . HE SAID HE COULD NOT GIVE ME THE MONEY BACK. AND THIS WAS IMPORTANT TO ME AT THIS TIME IN MY LIFE. I WAS COUNTING ON THIS FOR INCOME. THE REAL ESTATE PEOPLE THAT REPRESENTED HIM THOUGHT AND THE ATTORNEY THAT HAD THE CONTRACT, MY ATTORNEY, EVERYONE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD INVESTMENT. AND IT'S NOT. IT'S BEING DISAPPOINTING NOW. AND THEN, I HAD A CHECK SENT AHEAD FROM MARCH AND HE CALLED ME AND TOLD ME HE PUT A STOP PAYMENT ON IT, NOT TO DEPOSIT IT. AND THAT IS WHERE I STAND NOW AND THERE'S NO RESPONSE FROM THE ATTORNEY THAT DREW OUT THE CONTRACT. MY ATTORNEYS TALK TO HIM. THERE IS NO RESPONSE FROM ANYONE. THAT'S WHERE I STAND. I WENT JUST TO PUT A DEPOSIT ON A CONDOMINIUM AND ENDED UP NOT DOING THAT. AND I REGRET IT. BUT I DID NOT KNOW

AT THE TIME THAT I WOULD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME

[7. CONSENT AGENDA]

>> NEXT, WE HAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> THERE'S ONE ITEM. GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION OR SOMEBODY

CAN PULL IT . >> I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND

SECOND. CALL ROLE, PLEASE. >>

[a. Presentation of the Western Peninsula Development Project by the Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council ]

>> MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, WE DO HAVE WITH US ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS BUT FROM THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL AND REPRESENTING THEM WOULD BE DANIEL LYTLE. HE'S GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT A PERSPECTIVE INITIATIVE THAT WE ARE GOING TO -- FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE WESTERN PENINSULA. IT'S BASICALLY COMPRISED OF THE CITY PROPERTY. ALSO, PRIVATE PROPERTY DIRECT ADJACENT TO THE EAST END COUNTY PROPERTY ACROSS STATE WROTE A ONE A. I

WILL TURN IT OVER TO THEM. >> WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS DANIEL LYTLE. ON THE URBAN DESIGNER CORRECT THERE . I GUESS, LATE SUMMER LAST YEAR TO PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION OR SCOPE OF SERVICES TO LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT PENINSULA AREA.

AND IF YOU WILL INDULGE ME, I HAVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION THIS EVENING I WILL GO THROUGH TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE WORK WE HAVE DONE TOGETHER HERE AT FORT PIERCE. BUT ALSO, LAYOUT WITH THE PROCESS WE ARE RECOMMENDING WOULD BE. THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT IN PLANNING PROCESS FOR THIS AREA. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW, I THINK MOST OF YOU DO. WE ARE ONE OF 10 REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCILS THROUGHOUT THE STATE. WE REPRESENT THE FOUR COUNTIES OF MARK IN ST. LUCIE INDIAN RIVER AND PALM BEACH COUNTIES. I WON'T READ ALL OF THIS TO YOU.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, ACTUALLY, ENTIRELY, WE WERE JUST FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WITHIN OUR REGION. LET ME REVISE THAT BY SAYING, AS THE URBAN DESIGN DIRECT, OUR SERVICES THAT WE OFTEN RELATIVE TO ARCHITECTURE

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AND WE DO NEIGHBORHOOD MASTER PLANS AND DETAILED DOWNTOWN MASTER PLANS LIKE HERE AT BOYNTON BEACH. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF CORD WORK REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, LIKE THIS ONE IN LAKELAND, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF OUR REGION. WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED TO HAVE ONE OF FEW DIFFERENT PLANNING AWARDS OVER THE YEARS. DIFFERENT CORRIDOR PLANTS AND WEST PALM BEACH. WE ALSO HELP A LOT OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN MARTIN COUNTY IN PARTICULAR THESE DAYS. AND REWRITING THEIR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO, YOU COME WITH A COMMUNITY VISION THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS . BUT TO IMPLEMENT THAT, YOU NEED TO HAVE ROLES IN PLACE THAT ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT VISION. SO, WE DONE A LOT OF THAT WORK OVER THE YEARS AS WELL. AS WELL AS DETAILED ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN GUIDELINES. IT'S KIND OF A SOUP TO NUTS APPROACH THAT WE TAKE. WHOEVER WE ARE ASKED TO WORK WITH, WHICHEVER LOCAL GOVERNMENT , WE TELL TO OUR ROUTINES AND SERVICES BASED UPON WHAT THOSE NEEDS ARE AT THE TIME. AND, I HAVE TO SAY WE'VE HAD KIND OF A LONG HISTORY HERE IN FORT PIERCE. I THINK WE WERE PART OF ONE OF YOUR ORIGINAL MASTER PLANS .

BACK IN 1995, THAT WAS WITH DOVER CALL AND PARTNERS. I PARTICIPATED IN THE TAYLOR CREEK IN 2007. IT WE WERE HERE IN 2008 WORKING ON THE DOWNTOWN WATERFRONT MASTER PLAN IN CHARRETTE WHICH ALSO INCLUDED THE HD KING POWERPLANT WHICH THEN LED TO OUR OFFICE. WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT DIVISIONS WITHIN OUR OFFICE . OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ARM WAS ABLE TO ASSIST THE CITY OVER THE COURSE OF SIX OR SEVEN YEARS WITH BROWNFIELDS ASSESSMENT AND CLEANUP ACTIVITIES FOR THAT SITE. I THINK THAT FINAL CLEANUP OCCURRED AROUND 2018 AND 2019. I'M HERE WITH MY COLLEAGUE , TERRY. SHE IS NOT PRESENTING THIS EVENING. SHE'S PART OF OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POSITION AND SHE'S WORKING -- THE MAIN STREET IN FORT HERE'S AN LINCOLN PARK MAINSTAY ON SOME GRANTS THAT WE HELP THEM RECEIVE LAST YEAR. SO, THE STUDY AREA WE ARE DISCUSSING . I KNOW YOU ALL KNOW IT WELL IS ABOUT 76 ACRES IN THE WESTERN PENINSULA HAD IDENTIFIED THE KEY PARCELS .

INDIVIDUALLY, THERE'S THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY FIRE DISTRICT PIECE THAT HERE IN YELLOW. THERE WAS THIS STATE PROPERTY .

THE STATE PARK, WHICH IS THIS ENTIRE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE CAUSEWAY WHICH WAS CONVEYED TO THE COUNTY , I THINK AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. THERE IS THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OF CAUSEWAY COVE, WHICH REPRESENTS NEARLY 43 ACRES . WE HAVE MET WITH THE OWNER AND REPRESENTATIVE OF CAUSEWAY COVE WITH MR. NIMMS AND HIS STAFF. I THINK THEY ARE EAGER TO PARTICIPATE IN THE UNIFIED MASTER PLAN FOR THIS AREA . EVERYTHING IS INTERCONNECTED AND REINFORCES ONE ANOTHER. OF COURSE, THE KEY SITE DOWN HERE BEING THE -- STILL THE WAYS FOR THE TREATMENT PLANT WHICH REQUIRES 18.7 ACRES. I WILL NOT READ ALL THIS TO YOU. BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE CHRONOLOGICAL, OR TASKS, IF YOU WILL. THERE'S A DUE DILIGENCE PERIOD WHERE WE WORK WITH YOUR STAFF TO COLLECT DOCUMENTS. THIS PROJECT, WE INCLUDED SOMETHING UNIQUE, WHICH WE DON'T NORMALLY DO.

THERE IS SOME TITLE WORK AND A BOUNDARY SURVEY DONE TO MAKE SURE ANY ENCUMBRANCES OR ODDITIES AND RELATIONSHIPS TO THE DIFFERENT PARCELS AND OWNERSHIP ET CETERA IS IDENTIFIED EARLY ON. LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS GET THE COMMUNITY EXCITED ABOUT THINGS THEY IN FACT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO DO AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. WE WILL CONDUCT A WHOLE SERIES OF DIFFERENT PUBLIC OUTREACH ACTIVITIES INCLUDING STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS , MEANING THE PROPERTY OWNERS, ET CETERA. WE ALSO, MR. NIMMS ASKED THAT WE INCLUDE IN THIS SCOPE, A FULL REAL ESTATE MARKET STUDY SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE EXISTING MARKET CONDITIONS, DEMOGRAPHICS WITHIN THE AREA AND ANALYZE KEY MARKET TRENDS AND POTENTIALS.

WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL GROWTH OR MARKETABLE GROWTH WITHIN THIS AREA. OR DIFFERENT SECTORS WITH RETAILER HOSPITALITY. AND ALSO, THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IN RELEVANT AREAS WITHIN THE REGION. WE ARE PROPOSING TO STRUCTURE THIS AROUND A FIVE DAY PUBLIC CHARRETTE. I WILL BRIEFLY TOUCH UPON THAT. I THINK MOST FOLKS IN FORT PIERCE HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE TYPE OF EFFORTS. AND THEN WE DEVELOP A MASTER PLAN THAT -- DUE DILIGENCE AND

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THEY RUN ALONGSIDE THEIR CART AND TRY TO THROW THEM ON AS IF ONE FINISHES. IT JUST REPRESENTS A VERY INTENSE DESIGN PROCESS. IT'S VERY PUBLIC. WE ARE PARTICULARLY FOND OF THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT IS NOT JUST A SINGLE PUBLIC WORKSHOP, BUT OUR TEAM WILL ACTUALLY MOVE ON SITE HERE FOR THE COURSE OF THOSE FIVE DAYS . WE HAVE BEEN PART OF THE LAST FOR FIVE YEARS OR SO F TREASURE COAST TO TRY TO ADVANCE THE PROFESSION FROM JUST A SERIES OF COLOR BOXES AND DIAGRAMS AND ASTERIX AND THINGS AND REALLY DIVED DEEP INTO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO CREATE NEIGHBORHOODS OF STREETS AND AND SQUARES TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CAN QUANTIFY IMPROVEMENTS OVER TIME EVEN QUANTIFY TREES AND ALSO FULLY RENDER THEM. TO GET PROPERTY OWNERS AND INVESTORS EXCITED ABOUT THE WORK THE CITY AND REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ARE DOING.

AND WE'VE EVEN BEEN ABLE TO ADVANCE SOME OF THE TECHNOLOGICAL IMPROVEMENT WITH THE RENDERING SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE BEFORE-AND-AFTER REALISTIC RENDERINGS. THERE'S A LOT OF ROPE BENEFITS AND COMMUNITY BENEFITS TO THE PROCESS. I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THIS TO YOU. ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS THE COMMUNITY CAN BECOME REALLY INVESTED OVER TIME AND BECOME OFFERS OF THIS EFFORT. AND REALLY FILL EMPOWERED AND ATTACHED. FRANKLY, I LOVE THE CHARRETTE PROCESS BECAUSE THERE'S A CAMARDA READ BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY BUILDERS AND TEAM MEMBERS . AS YOU SEE IN THE MOMENT, WE LIKE TO HAVE THE STUDIO OPEN THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND NIGHT SO PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE THE ENTIRE TIME. THIS IS A CHRONOLOGICAL LIST.

WE LIKE TO START AND CREATE A HOST COMMITTEE THAT WILL EIGHT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITIES THAT IDENTIFIED OURSELVES .

TYPICALLY FIVE OR SEVEN MINUTE COMMITTEE. WE HAVE A WHOLE SERIES OF OPENING AND CLOSING PRESENTATIONS. WE KICKED OFF A WEEK WITH THE DESIGN WORKSHOP ON SATURDAY. AND WE WILL ESTABLISH A STUDIO, MAYBE EVEN IN THIS ROOM FOR FIVE DAYS WHERE OUR TEAM WILL BASICALLY WORK FOR THE ENTIRE FIVE DAYS.

-- THE STUDIO, THEY HELP US IDENTIFY LOCAL RESTAURANTS, BECAUSE WILL HAVE A TEAM OF EIGHT TO 10 MEMBERS THAT WILL BE HERE FOR THE FULL FIVE DAYS THAT WE HAVE TO FEED. AND WE WANT TO FEED THEM WITH -- AND THE HOSTS COMMITTEE WILL REALLY HELP US IDENTIFY FOLKS THAT NEED TO BE INTERVIEWED. AS WELL AS HELP US WITH COMMUNITY OUTREACH , HELP US GET THE WORD OUT SO WE CAN GET AS MANY FOLKS PARTICIPATING AS POSSIBLE. AND IF WE DO OUR JOB AND EVERYTHING WORKS OUT, THEY WILL BECOME CHAMPIONS COMING FORWARD. THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, I THINK WE HAVE 30 OF THEM IDENTIFIED. WE WILL MEET WITH STAFF AND YOU ALL INDIVIDUALLY AS WELL TO HEAR WHAT YOUR ASPIRATIONS AND GOALS OUR WORRIES ARE ABOUT THE EFFORTS .

ALSO MEETING THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR RESIDENTS. ANY OF Y'ALL WHO FIELDING INTO BEFOREHAND. THAT'S KIND OF A TWO-WAY CONVERSATION. IT'S A WAY FOR US TO ENCOURAGE THOSE WE ARE INTERVIEWING TO GOD SPREAD THE WORD. WE'RE TRYING TO GET MANY FOLKS INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS AS POSSIBLE. WE WILL KICK OFF WITH OUR SATURDAY WORKSHOP. YOU HAVE PROBABLY PARTICIPATED IN THIS SORT OF FORMAT BEFORE. WE HAVE AN OPENING VISITATION . WE HAVE ASSIST -- DIFFERENT TABLES GO AROUND AND DEVELOP GENERAL CONCEPTS FOR THE COMMUNITY . OF COURSE, WE PROVIDE LOTS OF FOOD AND REFRESHMENTS AND TOWARDS THE END OF THAT SATURDAY AFTERNOON , WE ASKED THE REPRESENTATIVES AND THE TABLE PRESENT THEIR IDEAS BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS A REAL FUN AND INTERESTING WAY FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE TO PRESENT THEIR IDEAS TO THEIR PEERS AND NEIGHBORS . IT'S A GREAT WAY TO KICK OFF THE

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AND THEY FORGET WHAT IS LIKE TO BE A KID WHERE YOU CAN DRIVE AND YOU ARE KIND OF'S SHORT. THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE . ONE OF THE THINGS THEY HELP US DO IS IDENTIFY THE STUDIO. THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE THE TEAM WILL SET UP AND WORK FROM 9:00 IN THE MORNING TO 9:00 AT NIGHT EVERY DAY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND IS TRULY A DESIGN STUDIO.

WHETHER IT'S ON COMPUTERS OR HAND DRAWINGS ARE DOING FINANCIAL ECONOMIC ANALYSES . AS I SAID, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THE ENTIRE TIME . THIS IS THE GREAT OPPORTUNITY. AS I SAID EARLIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO BECOME ENGAGED BY THIS ENTIRE EFFORT. AND JUST SIT AND CHAT WITH THE TEAM. AT THE END OF FIVE DAYS, LOUISVILLE WRAP UP THE STUDIO WHERE WE IDENTIFY AND COME BACK THE WORK AND PROJECTS PRESENTATION.

THAT'S WHERE WE PRESENT AND THIS WAS WHAT HAPPENED ON SATURDAY . THIS IS WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DEVELOP TO THE COURSE OF THAT CHARRETTE TIME. SINCE THEN, ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK ? DID WE MISS SOMETHING? AND IT'S THE FIRST WAY TO CHECK OFF WITH THE COMMUNITY AND YOURSELF TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AND WE WILL CONTINUE DEVELOPING THE MASTER PLAN. OUR TEAM IS TAILORED, AS I SAID, BASED UPON WHATEVER NEEDS THERE ARE . ARCHITECTS AND DESIGNERS AND TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS, WE WILL HAVE ECONOMISTS ON OUR TEAM FOR THE MARKET STUDY , SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO GO THAT ROUTE. AND ANYONE ELSE, POLICY EXPERTS, ET CETERA. THERE WILL BE A FINAL REPORT , THAT TYPICALLY COMES 10 TO 12 WEEKS AFTER THE WORK IN PROGRESS PRESENTATION. THAT WILL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS , THE FULL GAMUT. IT CAN INCLUDE LAND-USE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION CHANGES , PHYSICAL CHANGES , DESIGNS FOR A NEW BRIDGE , WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. THAT WILL ALL BE EMBODIED IN THE REPORT. HOPEFULLY, AT SOME POINT IT WILL BECOME APPROVED OR ADOPTED. BY THIS WORD. AND WE WILL WRAP IT UP WITH FINAL PRESENTATIONS. I HAVE INCLUDED THE ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF SERVICES NOW. WE HAD SOME COMMENTS BACK FROM THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ABOUT THE SCOPE. SO, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THOSE NOW.

BUT I THINK WE MIGHT HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO STILL STAY ON TRACK . THIS WILL BE MAY OF 2024. YOU HAVE MAY, JUNE , JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER THROUGHOUT THE END OF THE YEAR. WE WILL BE TO IDEALLY, SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO GO THIS ROUTE , KICK OFF THE PROJECT IN MAY WITH OUR WORK SESSION NUMBER ONE AND DUE DILIGENCE AND START TO FORMULATE THE HOST COMMITTEE IN JULY AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER DO THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AT THE SAME TIME . HOPEFULLY, DO OUR FULL ON CHARRETTE SOMETIME IN OCTOBER . IDEALLY, DO IT WHEN FOLKS ARE BACK IN TOWN . IF THEY HAVE LEFT TOWN . AND THIS BLOCK OF TIME HERE IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS PRESENTATIONS TO THE DIFFERENT BOARDS. AND FINAL SUBMITTAL OF THE REPORT AND FINAL PRESENTATIONS TO THE CITY AND CRA. AND THAT TAKES US INTO MARCH APRIL OF 2025. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. AND , I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK

YOU VERY MUCH. >> HAVE YOU DONE THIS BEFORE TO THIS EXTENT? THIS KIND OF FIVE DAY WITH THE ELABORATE ?

>> PERSONALLY? YES. 90 OR 100 TIME.

>> ALL OVER THE REGION? THIS IS QUITE AN INVESTMENT. AN EXTENSIVE INVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY , AND MY OPINION WARNS IT, BUT IT'S QUITE EXPENSIVE.

>> IF YOU DON'T MIND, I CAN TALK TO THAT LITTLE BIT.

BECAUSE OF THE BREAKDOWN OF THE TOTAL COST OF $234,080 , ABOUT 65,000 OF THAT IS DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED TO THE MARKET STUDY ITSELF. AND THERE'S ABOUT 20,000 THAT GOES TOWARDS THE TITLE AND BOUNDARY SURVEY WORK. KEEP IN MIND, ONE OF THE REASONS THIS TYPE OF EFFORT IS EXPENSIVE, AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT THE BENEFITS AND BURDENS. WE WILL HAVE A TEAM WE ARE HOUSING

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>> I DO TOO. TELL ME WHAT THE HOST COMMITTEE, WHAT IS THE HOST COMMITTEE? WHO ARE THE TYPES OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE

ON THE HOST COMMITTEE? >> TYPICALLY, THE HOST COMMITTEE WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT RUNNING FOR OFFICE OR ELECTED OFFICIALS OR CITY STAFF. IDEALLY, IT MIGHT BE A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION LEADER, BUSINESS LEADER, FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY BUT ARE INVOLVED. AND WOULD BENEFIT AND WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WE WOULD HAVE STEERING COMMITTEES, BUT THAT WOULD BE CONFUSING WHEN HE WOULD MAKE THE DECISION. BUT REALLY, THEY ARE TO HELP US WITH SOME OF THE LOGISTICS. AS I SAID, THE TENTACLES AND THE COMMUNITY FOR OUTREACH . AND THEY ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE OUT THE WHOLE THING, THERE NOT EXCLUDED.

>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER GAMES?

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I FOLLOWED WITH THE HOST COMMITTEE. -- HOW DOES THE HOST COMMITTEE

SELECTED? >> DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION, SOMETIMES THE MANAGER WANTS TO SELECT THEM . HE USUALLY , THE HOST COMMITTEE NAMES COME FROM THE BOARD. WHETHER IT'S THE CITY COMMISSION

COMMISSIONER LOGIC. >> EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU. BRADY TELL. I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO

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I'M A BIG FAN. >> THANK YOU.

>> I'M JUST GLAD YOU'RE HERE AND GLAD TO SEE THIS MOVING FORWARD. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

WE HAVE LEARNED A LONG WAY SOME OF THE TRIP HAZARDS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN FRONT OF US IN SUCH A PROJECT. I'M EXCITED THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO HELP US GET OVER THOSE TRIPS OR MOVE THEM OUT OF THE WAY AS WE EMBARK ON THIS JOURNEY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LAID OUT AS FAR AS TALKING TO ALL PARTNERS THROUGHOUT ALL LAYERS OF THE STATE. THAT MEANS, THE D.O.T. AND THE REVERTED CLAUSES AND OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE ACRONYMS IN THEIR ARE GOOD FRIENDS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S PART OF THIS JOURNEY AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THAT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE LEARNED ALONG THE WAY. BECAUSE, THIS IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AT THE SAME TIME, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO PLAN FOR THE GROWTH OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHETHER IT'S A BRIDGE OR INFRASTRUCTURE OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. INCLUDING OUR COUNTY PARTNERS, OF COURSE. I AM ASSUMING WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE THEM IN REVERSE DETAIL, JUST LIKE THEY DID WITH US WITH THE PORT EXPANSION AND THE PORT MASTER PLAN. WE HAVE HOURS OF CONVERSATION WITH THE FOLKS THAT WERE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY FOR THAT MASTER PLANNING OF ACTION. A LOT OF DETAILS TO CONSIDER HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING IT ALONG. WOULD YOU SAY, AS FAR AS THE DATE GOES, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SCREEN TO KICK OFF ONCE WE GET THROUGH

THIS. >> WE ARE HOPING TO START THE DUE DILIGENCE AND STAFF LEVEL MEETINGS AND AGENCY LEVEL MEETINGS AND IN MAY AND DO THAT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER, GET OUR HOST -- EXCUSE ME , HOST COMMITTEE TOGETHER TOWARDS THE MIDDLE OR END OF SUMMER AS WELL AS START THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS AT THAT TIME AND THEN TARGET OCTOBER FOR THE ACTUAL CHARRETTE SELF. OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER. THIS IS ALL PRAYING, KNOCK ON WOOD, THAT WE HAVE A CLAIMS SEASON.

HURRICANE SEASON. THE MAC THANK YOU.

>> MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I THINK IT'S SPOT ON. COMMISSIONER GAMES HIT THE SPOT TO EVEN GO OUT AND DO A PRE-MEAT TO BEGIN TO ASSESS THESE COMMUNITIES AND GET THEM PREPARED . PREPARED IN A WAY THAT THEY'RE COMING IN THIS COMFORTABLE. NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT A CHARRETTE IS AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. WE HAVE TO KIND OF DO SOME PREASSESSMENT WORK IN SOME OF THESE CULTURAL COMMUNITIES WE HAVE HERE. EVEN TO FIND SOME DIVERSITY AND THE HOST COMMITTEES THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED. I THINK THE OTHER THING I'M CURIOUS ABOUT, WE HAVE SUNK INFORMATION YESTERDAY, WHICH I WAS LISTENING IN ON. THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, AND MY OPINION HAS INFORMATION ABOUT TOURIST THAT COME TO OUR AREA RIGHT NOW . I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE TALKING WITH CHARLOTTE BARLEY, WHOSE WITH THE COUNTY TO ASSESS AS MUCH POSSIBLE INFORMATION ABOUT OUR TOURIST THAT COME HERE, MIND SOME OF THAT DATA TO SEE WHAT WE CAN GLEAN FROM THEM.

MAYBE THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REACH OUT THROUGH ADVERTISING TO LET THEM KNOW THIS PROCESS IS GOING ON. MAYBE EVEN CONSIDER SOME TYPE OF ONLINE PLATFORM, PERHAPS. I THINK WOULD BE INFLUENTIAL. THESE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY COMING HERE TO VACATION AND RECREATE. AS YOU LAY OUT THAT MAP, WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS AREA FOR RECREATION AND TOURISM. I THINK IT MAY BE INTERESTING TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING HERE MAYBE AS TO WHAT'S MISSING, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN, WHAT THEY'RE KIND OF LOOKING FOR . THAT MAY DRIVE SOME OF THE NUMBERS AND DATA. I THINK I SEE PETE OUT THERE WITH ADC. I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON THE HORIZON FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THERE WAS TYPO BUSINESSES ARE COMING TO OUR AREA OR EVEN CAN TO COME , BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A CERTAIN BAND OF OPPORTUNITY HOUSING THAT HE MAY BE TRYING TO ATTRACT CERTAIN COMPANIES FOR THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE QUITE THE ADEQUACY IT AND THEY MAY LOOK FOR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF ST. LUCIE TO LIVE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT LIST , ESPECIALLY ON THE WATER. A COUPLE OF POP

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THEIR ADVERTISING TO OUR NORTHERNERS THAT ARE MOVING HERE . AND IT MAY BE WE CAN KIND OF LET THEM KNOW AND GET SOME FEEDBACK , BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE LOOKING TO PURCHASE, WE WANT TO SELL. THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS THAT POPPED INTO MY MIND HERE. I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH . I LIKE YOUR TIMELINE, BUT WE NEED A LITTLE WARM-UP IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE GOT TO GET TO OUR COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT EARLIER IN THIS TIMELINE TO START TO SEE THAT IT'S COMING AND WE HAVE TO USE OUR COMMUNITY LOCAL ADVOCATES TO HELP US COMMUNICATE TO THAT AND THAT AUTHENTIC VOICE TO THOSE COMMUNITIES , MAY BE MEETING WITH THEM IN THEIR CHURCHES AND RESPECTIVE AREAS AND THEN PULLING THEM INTO OR ACROSS THAT BRIDGE. COMMISSIONER GAINES SAID FORT PIERCE IS A MANTRA WE'VE TAKEN ON. FORT PIERCE -- BECAUSE FOR A LONG TIME IT'S BEEN A DIVIDE LINE BETWEEN A CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THERE'S STILL PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT COMFORTABLE COMING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE AND WE ARE WORKING EACH AND EVERY DAY TO MAKE THIS ONE AND FORT PIERCE. WE NEED TO KNOW THAT GOING INTO THAT SITUATION WE ARE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN, BUT WE NEED

A PRE-SEED HERE. >> MADAM CHAIR, REALLY QUICK.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW, AND YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU TALK ABOUT THE YOUTH. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR, WE HAVE A YOUTH COUNCIL . IT WOULD BE PERFECT, FOR THE YOUTH COUNCIL TO GET INVOLVED AND GET OTHER YOUTH THERE SO YOU CAN GET THEIR IDEAS. OUR YOUTH COUNCIL , IF YOU GET THEM THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME IDEAS. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THAT WE HAD A YOUTH COUNCIL AND DIRECTOR BACK THERE LOOKING AT ME. I'M NOT GOING TO CALL HER OUT. BUT WE HAVE A YOUTH COUNCIL. JUST ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GET EVERYBODY IN THERE. BECAUSE WHEN YOU REALLY THINKING AND THIS ALL COMES TO TIME TO BUILD , IT'S GOING TO BE EASIER THAN SITTING HERE THAT ARE DOING WHATEVER THAT ARE TAKING CARE OF THIS, BECAUSE WE WON'T BE HERE. SO, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW IF YOU DID NOT KNOW, WE DO HAVE A YOUTH COUNCIL.

THEY ARE VERY ACTIVE AND THEY MEET AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO

TALK TO YOU. >> APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL GET TOGETHER WITH MR. NIMMS AND HIS STAFF AND WE WILL IDENTIFY ALL OF THE DIFFERENT GROUPS AND AGENCIES THAT WE NEED TO START TALKING TO IMMEDIATELY. AND WE WON'T WAIT NECESSARILY FOR A

PARTICULAR TIMELINE. >> HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION THAT MAY BE FOR YOU OR MR. NIMMS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNTY PROPERTY AS WELL AS CITY PROPERTY? THAT MAP? IF THERE IS A COUNTY ARE WE ENVISIONING A COUNTY IN AN INFORMAL ROAD ?

>> WE HAVE ALREADY MET WITH THEM AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS. THEY ARE JUST AS EXCITED AS WE ARE.

>> BECAUSE WE ARE CONDUCTING AND PLANNING THE PROJECT ON THEIR PROPERTY AND THAT PROPERTY GOES FROM THE BRIDGE ALL THE WAY PAST TRUCKS TO THE FIRE. THE OLD FIRE DISTRICT NOW THAT PROPERTY IS NOW COUNTY PROPERTY . WITH THE YELLOW, THE THING THAT'S IN YELLOW . EGG USED TO BE THE FIRE DISTRICT, BUT NOW IT'S COUNTY. THAT'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED . A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE SEAWAY. BUT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE , EXCEPT COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH JOHNSON.

HE'S THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT IT. THAT'S GOING TO BE A NEW ELEMENT IN THIS. SO, I THINK THAT'S ALSO GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF CAREFUL COMMUNICATION SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S

INVOLVED. >> WITH NOT BE REMISS. WHAT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT IS HARBOR HOWELL, THE RESIDENTS OF CAR PROWL ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S BEING BUILT THERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STRUCTURES THAT ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE TALLER THAN WHAT WE'RE USED TO AROUND HERE. SO, THE AREA TO THE EAST THERE, THOSE HOUSES , THAT'S AN ELITIST APPLICATION UNDERSTANDING . I WOULD THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO INCLUDE BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE

VERY VOCAL. >> EVERYBODY AND FORT PIERCE.

BUT PARTICULARLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO USE SEAWAY DRIVE AND

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THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. >> IF I MAY SAY, I DON'T PRETEND TO BE AN EXPERT OF ALL OF THESE AREAS YET , BUT THERE IS A LIMIT TO WHAT YOU CAN DO. PART OF MY JOB IS TO , AS HONESTLY AND RESPECTFULLY AS POSSIBLE , MANAGE EXPECTATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY . AND, WE ARE NOT GOING TO GO OUT AND BE MAKING PROMISES TO FOLKS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER THING AND IT NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN, BECAUSE THAT'S THE WORST THING YOU CAN DO. BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND, WHAT ARE THE COMMUNITY ASSETS THAT WILL BRING PEOPLE FROM THE EAST AND FROM THE WEST TO THIS AREA. AND, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS YET, BUT WE WILL HOPEFULLY REVEAL THAT THROUGH

THIS PROCESS. >> DON'T FORGET THE COAST GUARD, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO INCLUDE THE COAST GUARD AND

EVERYTHING WE DO. >> MADAM MAYOR, THE OTHER THING ABOUT COMMENTS ON GOING BACK TO THE SCHEDULE IS CONSIDERING THE OCTOBER TIMEFRAME IS MAYBE WE NEED TO SHOW ME THAT AND SHIFT IT A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THE FALL WINTER SEASON , JUST FOR MANY REASONS. THERE ARE FOLKS THAT MAY NOT BE HERE YET IN OCTOBER AND WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT.

>> IS ALSO A LITTLE THING CALLED THE ELECTION. PEOPLE GET

VERY BUSY WITH THAT TIME. >> THIS WAS JUST A TENTATIVE SCHEDULE BASED ON WHAT WE THINK IS POSSIBLE. WE CAN MOVE IT OUT FURTHER. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN MOVE IT IN FURTHER OR

CLOSER. >> DEEPER INTO THE 25.

>> ONE THING , COMMISSIONER JOHNSON -- CURTIS JOHNSON, IF I MAY . YOU HAVE ME THINK MAYBE A WAY TO OUTREACH FOLKS IN THE SUMMERTIME, WE HAD SOME SUCCESS RECENTLY WITH ONLINE SURVEYS.

YOU CAN DO THOSE IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES AS WELL . JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. IF NOT INCLUDED IN THE SCOPE , WHICH IS FINE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT .

IT'S A WAY TO GET -- NOT EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE COMING OUT IN PUBLIC GOING TO A CHARRETTE WHETHER IT'S A LANGUAGE BARRIER OR CULTURAL BARRIER AND THEY JUST DON'T WANT TO. THEY CAN SIT AT HOME AND PARTICIPATE WITH SOME

QUESTIONS. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS RIGHT. WE HAVE SEASONAL RESIDENTS WHO ACTUALLY CONSIDER THIS HOME. SO, THEY MAY NOT BE RIGHT HERE FOR MOST OF THIS.

>> WE DO HAVE CULTURAL RADIO STATIONS HERE. SO THEY ARE BROADCAST IN SPANISH. THEIR BROADCAST AND CRANIAL AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LOCAL STATIONS THAT HAVE GENRES OF GOSPEL A LOT OF PEOPLE LISTEN TO. WE HAVE THOSE PLATFORMS THAT ARE IN OUR COMMUNITIES NOW THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO CONNECT WITH YOU AND AT LEAST LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE SURVEYS.

AND THEY WON'T FILL THEM OUT.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? IS THIS FOR INFORMATION ?

>> WE HAVE OTHER CONTRACTUAL PARAMETERS AGREED UPON , PROBABLY ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE HOST COMMITTEE , WHERE TALK ABOUT WHOEVER'S ON THAT COMMITTEE IS A THE JOB IN TERMS OF THE TIME AND COMMITMENT AND WHATEVER

ELSE THEY HAVE TO DO. >> THAT WOULD HELP, IF YOU OUTLINE WHAT THAT IS. THAT COMMITMENT , BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO BE UP FRONT WITH PEOPLE ON WHAT WE EXPECT FOR A PERSON TO BE ON THE HOST COMMITTEE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN OUTLINE, I THINK WE NEED TO DEVELOP ONE.

>> WE GOT THOSE AND WE CAN PUT THEM TOGETHER FOR YOU. IT'S TYPICALLY LIKE THREE TO FIVE MEETINGS AT MOST. HOURS ON WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO DO IN THE COMMUNITY?

[b. Progression Properties LLC redevelopment update (1409 Ave J & 2002 Ave M)]

>> I WILL OUTLINE THAT FOR YOU.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE WILL MOVE ON. NEXT, WE HAVE PROGRESSION PROPERTIES LLC REDEVELOPMENT UPDATE. MR. NIMMS.

>> MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS -- MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. WE DO HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU. THIS WAS AN INFORMATIONAL UPDATE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, WE DO HAVE MISS PAMELA CARRUTHERS HERE TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT THAT I LISTED ON THE AGENDA WITH YOU . AS OF MARCH 14TH, WHICH WAS OUR DEADLINE DATE OF 2024, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAVE NOT BEEN MET FOR 14 OJ -- I'M SORRY, 1409 AVENUE J AND 2002 AVENUE. SUBSEQUENTLY, THERE HAS BEEN SOME WORK DONE ON THIS SITE. I BELIEVE MISS PAMELA COULD COME AND TALK ABOUT THAT , IF THERE IS YOUR DESIRE.

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>> THESE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

CITY COMMISSION AND THE MANAGER AND ATTORNEY. PAMELA WITHERS REPRESENTING PROGRESSION PROPERTIES LLC . SINCE OUR LAST -- SINCE OUR LAST CAME TO WHERE YOU , REGARDING 1409 AVENUE J . THE UPDATE HAVE SUSTAINED. WE HAVE RECEIVED THE PERMIT AND THE SLAB FOUNDATION SLAB ON BOTH PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN POURED. NOW WE ARE READY TO HAVE THE WALLS GO VERTICAL.

WE ARE READY FOR THE LOSS TO GO VERTICAL. WE ARE READY TO GO

VERTICAL WITH THE WALLS. >> IS THAT THE EXTENT OF YOUR

REPORT? >> YES MA'AM. PRETTY MUCH.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE THROUGH. QUESTIONS FOR

CARRUTHERS? >> I WOULD LIKE TO START. GIVE US AN UPDATE . CONGRATULATIONS , THIS IS EXCITING. THE LAST TIME I HAD A CONVERSATION HERE. IT WAS PRETTY TENUOUS, I THINK. I'M GLAD YOU HAD RESPONDED. BECAUSE WE WERE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEEDED A FOUNDATION FOR IT. I THOUGHT WE HAD EXPECTATIONS THAT WE WOULD NEED TO GO VERTICAL.

DESMOND NOT ONLY VERTICAL, THE COMPLETIONS -- ONCE I STATED IN THE FOUNDATION FOR YOUR READY TO GO VERTICAL, WE HAVE ORDERED THE BLOCKS THAT'S NECESSARY TO GO VERTICAL IN BOTH PROPERTIES. NOW, OUR TIMELINE, I WOULD SAY ROUGHLY BY THE END OF THE YEAR, BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR FOR COMPLETIONS OF THE STRUCTURES. FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. NOT NECESSARILY CALCULATING THAT INTO PLACE, BUT FOR THE STRUCTURES TO BE COMPLETED AND INSPECTED FOR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY THE.

>> YOU HAVE THE BUILDING PERMIT NOW AND EVERYTHING IS PROCESSED AND NO ANYTHING FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU PORT THE

FOUNDATION. >> EVERYTHING.

>> I'M GOOD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

HIS CARRUTHERS? >> THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING THIS AND BRINGING IT TO US. SOMETHING TURN AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT. SO, IT'S EXCITING. SO, WHAT IS THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE LEXI DOES YOUR CONTRACTOR HAVE A SCHEDULE IN HAND AND READY TO PRESENT SOME IDEA OF WHAT YOU

ANTICIPATE AS A SEO? >> AT THIS POINT, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS GIVE THAT BACK TO YOU ALL WITHIN A WEEK, THAT INFORMATION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY IMMATURE AND PREMATURE TIMELINES . IF I CAN RETURN THAT BACK TO YOU ALL WITHIN A WEEK , MORE THAN LIKELY IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THAT AND CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN THAT. I JUST HAVE A SCHEDULE I PRESENTED WITH THE PROPOSALS IN IN THE INITIAL AWARD PERFORMING. SO, WE WOULD JUST KIND OF GO FROM THIS POINT MOVING OVER TO WHAT WE WOULD BE.

>> ARE WE OUTSIDE OF, I THINK THE CONDITIONS OF THE LAST EXTENSION WERE TO PULL A PERMIT AND TO BEGIN OR COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION. SO, WE ARE VERY CLOSE WITH THAT. I DON'T THINK WE MET THOSE DEADLINES, BUT WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE WE

SATISFY THOSE. >> I WOULD SAY PARTICULARLY 1409 AVENUE J ACTUALLY BOTH COPIES . WE HAD KIND OF A PICKUP IN TERMS OF NOT ON OUR SIDE, BE ON THE SIDE OF THE SURVEY BECAUSE OF THE STORM DRAINAGE ORDINANCE REQUIRED BY THE CITY . AND, WE PLACED THAT, BUT THEY PLACED THE STATES OR TO THE STATE STATUTE ON THIS SURVEY, SO THAT KIND OF EIGHT TIME UP FOR US, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO BACK. WE

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WHERE WE ARE. >> DID I HEAR YOU SAY YOU EXPECT THIS CONSTRUCTION TO BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF THE

YEAR? >> YES MA'AM. WE ARE IN APRIL.

BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR .

>> THE CALENDAR YEAR OR FISCAL YEAR?

>> CALENDAR YEAR. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT

DECEMBER 31ST. >> THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO PRESENT A SCHEDULE TO YOU ALL. IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, BECAUSE I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS PRESENTED WITH THE PROPOSAL. BASED ON WHERE WE ARE NOW, IT'S A MATTER OF GOING VERTICAL WITH THE WALLS AND THE ENGINEER TRUST HAD TO BE IN ORDER TO SUBMIT WITH THE PERMIT. MOVING FORWARD, WE HAD THE REF PLUMBING AS WELL AS SOME OF THE DESIGN SPECS THAT HAVE MADE SOME OF THE FOUNDATIONS DAY.

EVERYTHING IS IT . >> HAVE OTHER THINGS READY TO

BE DESIGNED YET. >> I WAS SAYING EITHER THE ENGINEERING TRUST. WHICH, ONCE THE WALLS ARE UP AND THINGS ARE PROGRESSING ALONG, THEN THE ENGINEERING TRUST WILL BE INSTALLED ONTO THE PROPERTY .

>> IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO WORK WITH YOUR

CONTRACTOR. >> WE GO TO WORK WITH THAT AND RETURN THAT TO YOU WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK AS I WAS ASKING FOR.

THING IS I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER. BUT WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN AND DECEMBER 31ST. THE SOMETHING YOU ARE COMMITTING TO RIGHT HERE IN PUBLIC , MR. NIMMS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING?

>> MADAM CHAIR OF THE EXTENT OF OUR INVOLVEMENT FROM THE PRA IS TO SEE THAT THE PROJECT COMMENCES CONSTRUCTION HAS PERMITS WITHIN 18 MONTHS. AND WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF EXTENSIONS AS FAR AS THE VERTICAL CONSTRUCTION AND COMPLETION OF THE HOME THAT WAS NOT PART OF OUR DEED

RESTRICTION. >> OKAY.

>> SHE JUST SAID, WE HEARD IT. >> WE ARE GOING TO STAY ON TRACK TO THAT TO MOVE FORWARD . AS WE START NOW.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE WORK. AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR CRITICAL PATH CONSTRUCTION AND THE TIMELINES WILL BE DETAILED TO THE CITY. JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE YOUR PASSPORT. IS THERE TO BE A DELAY IN MOVING TO THE FRAME FRAMER COMING OUT OF THE GROUND GOING VERTICAL. IS THAT A DELAY DISSIPATED OR ARE YOU MOVING TO LATE INTO THAT.

>> I DON'T FOR SEE A DELAY. I DON'T SEE HOW THE CONTRACTOR HERE IS WE DON'T SEE ANY DELAYS MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE THE BIGGEST HURDLE WAS SECURING THE PERMIT AND

GETTING THE PASS >> IS NOT PART OF -- ARTICULATED I'M ASSUMING YOUR FINANCING MECHANISMS ARE IN PLACE GETTING THE POWER FORWARD.

>> YOU GOT THE MONEY AND PERMIT . HE HAVE THE ENERGY.

>> NEWFOUND ENERGY AT THAT. >> THOSE COMPONENTS ARE CRITICAL TO BEING ABLE TO EXECUTE. SO, YOU HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE, OBVIOUSLY, THE PICTURES SPEAK VOLUMES TO WHAT'S GOING ON WHEN I DRIVE ON A COUPLE OF WEEKS, I'M GOING TO SEE SOME GUYS WITH SOME NAIL GUNS OUT THERE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ? THERE'S NO ACTION ON THIS.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT COMMISSION, THANK YOU ALL FOR GRANTING THE EXTENSION AND PROVIDING A GUIDELINE IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINES AND EXPECTATIONS MOVING FORWARD WITH ALL THE SURPLUS PROPERTIES AS WELL. OUR TEAM, WE APPRECIATE THAT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUE

>> AND WE ARE IN VERY GOOD SHAPE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

[c. Means Court Center Project Update]

>> WE HAVE OUR PROJECT COORDINATOR AUDREY IS GOING TO

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MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. IN OCTOBER OF 2022, THE PRA EXECUTED A LEASE AGREEMENT WITH INCUBATE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER TO LEASE AND IMPROVE THE MEANS COURT CENTER. AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT, THE INITIAL LEASE TERM IS FOR 20 YEARS WITH A 10 YEAR RENEWAL OPTION. THIS PROJECT , WILL FOCUS ON THE PROJECT AND STATUS OF THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FACILITY INCLUDED IN SCOPE FOR THE UTILIZATION OF THE TWO STORY STRUCTURE. PHASE ONE, WHICH WAS INVOLVED OF GRACE TO THE FIRST FLOOR TO INCLUDE AN EXTERIOR AND INTERIOR FACELIFT ADDITION OF AN ELEVATOR MEDICAL CLINIC AND KITCHEN INCUBATOR. THE PROPOSED COMPLETION DATE WAS SET FOR APRIL OF 2023. 18 MONTHS AFTER EXECUTING THE LEASE AGREEMENT.

WORK ON PHASE TWO AND THREE HAVE NOT BEGUN. AS A RESULT OF UNAUTHORIZED WORK BEING COMPLETED WITHOUT THE TEMPERAMENT , TEMPORARY USE WAS ISSUED IN APRIL 2022. IT WAS GIVEN 180 DAYS TO COMPLETE AND CORRECT THE DEFICIENCY AND SUBMIT A CHANGE OF USE FOR THE BUILDING. THE TEMPORARY USE EXPIRED IN OCTOBER 2002. AND I NOTICED THE UNLAWFUL STRUCTURE WAS ISSUED IN JANUARY OF 2023 AND THE BUILDING WAS CLOSED. SINCE THAT TIME, STAFF HAS WORKED TO ADDRESS ISSUES AND MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD IN FEBRUARY OF 23, INC.

SUBMITTED ITS PLANS . IN MARCH OF , THE PLAN , IT WAS A COMPLETE. THE PLANS WERE INCOMPLETE. PRIOR TO SUBMITTING THE PLANS AGAIN, INC. MET WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO KIND OF GO OVER THE PLANS BEFORE THEY SUBMITTED THEM AGAIN. THEN IN JUNE, 2023, FPRA MET WITH STAFF AND LOOK APART MAIN STREET. IN AUGUST OF 2023, INC. SUBMITTED THE PLANS FOR THE PERMIT. THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN NOVEMBER OF 2023. DEMOLITION BEGAN TOWARD THE END OF THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER. THEN DEMOLITION WAS STOPPED INTO DECEMBER OF 2023. IN JANUARY OF 2024, RICH AND SUBSEQUENT REVISIONS WERE SUBMITTED AND AS OF FEBRUARY, THE PLANS WERE MISSING SOME INFORMATION THAT THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY FIRE DISTRICT NEEDED IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO REVIEW THE PLANS.

HOWEVER, DOESN'T UPDATE BECAUSE THERE IS AN UPDATE WITH THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY FIRE DISTRICT HAS REVIEWED THE INFORMATION HAS TO BE SENT OVER TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD AND ISSUE THE BUILDING PERMIT. THAT'S IT.

DISTRICT ARE THERE ANY ISSUES? THEY SAID THEY HAD NO ISSUES AND THEY APPROVED IT. SO, WAITING TO BE PROCESSED THROUGH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE REVIEWED THE PLANS AND THERE ARE NO PROBLEMS EITHER.

>> QUESTIONS FOR MS. WELLS. >> JEH JOHNSON PROBABLY KNOWS

THE ANSWER. >> IT CAN BE. OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS LAST. THEY MADE IT THROUGH THAT FAR. IT GOES BACK TO THE INTERNET INSTEAD OF PROCESSING.

>> IT MIGHT. >> FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, THE PRESENTATION AND WHAT WE READ . IT LOOKS LIKE THE FIRE DISTRICT AND APPROVE PLAN THE BUSINESS SAYING IT'S OKAY THAT CONSTRUCTION AND WHATEVER ANY TO BE DONE CAN START BACKUP .

SO, WE CAN GET THIS BUILDING WHERE WE WANT IT AND TO INCUBATE US IN THE BACK OF THE WHAT THEY WERE DOING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHERE ARE WE ON THAT? THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO

UNDERSTAND. >> BOARD MEMBER GAINS, WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM INC. HERE THAT CAN ANSWER THAT

QUESTION. >> ANYBODY?

>> COME UP IN STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND WELCOME.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ALLISON HEWITT. I AM A PROJECT CONSULTANT FOR HORSE CONSTRUCTION WHO IS THE INSTRUCTION MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT. YES SIR, THE ANSWER IS YES. ONCE WE GET THE APPROVED PERMIT , AS

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AS SOON AS THE PERMITS ARE APPROVED, WE ARE GOING FORTH WITH OUR SUBCONTRACTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR PLANS ADHERE TO THE APPROVED PLANS. AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE A NEW WORK TIMELINE TO PRESENT TO YOU AND WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR THAT. NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA , WHEN YOU SAY WE ON PLANS, I'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH WAITING ON PLANS. IT CAN BE NEXT YEAR AND I WILL BE UPSET ABOUT THAT.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA AND HAVE ANYBODY TOLD YOU , I'M TRYING TO GET A TIMEFRAME TO WHERE WE CAN GET BACK INTO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THIS WAS A MAJOR PART IN THAT COMMUNITY.

>> I THINK THAT THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF AND CITY WERE LOOKING PRETTY POSITIVELY AT THE PLANS. SO, RIGHT NOW WE ARE PLANNING ACCORDING TO THE PLANS. UNTIL THE CITY APPROVES THE PLANS. ONCE THEIR PLANS ARE APPROVED, WE ARE READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER BECAUSE OUR FOLKS ARE READY IF THERE'S NO ADJUSTMENTS OR COMMENTS THAT THEY NEED FIRST TO DO FOR THOSE

ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS. >> WE ARE WAITING ON APPROVALS.

YOUR TEAM IS WAITING ON APPROVAL IS TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE NEED. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING. AND YOU ARE SAYING ONCE YOU GET THOSE APPROVALS, YOUR TEAM IS READY TO GO.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT, MISS HEWITT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PARAMETERS OF THE IMPROVEMENT. WHAT ARE THE BIG ITEMS THAT YOU SEE OR YOUR TEAM SEES AS THE CHALLENGES? IS IT AN ELEVATOR OR STRUCTURAL? WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE WOULD BE A

CHALLENGE? >> ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WAS THE WHEELCHAIR. ORIGINALLY, THE WHEELCHAIR WAS GOING TO BE OUTSIDE. WE HAD MOVED INSIDE THE BUILDING AND THAT REQUIRED US TO DO ADDITIONAL SUPPORT STRUCTURES ON THE SECOND FLOOR AS A GOES UP . SO, RIGHT NOW, IT STILL FABRICATION BECAUSE WE WERE FILLING REALLY POSITIVE ABOUT THE PLANS. SO, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF OUR LONGER TIMELINES. SO, RIGHT NOW, THE STEELERS AND FABRICATION TO DO THAT PORTION.

THE NEXT PORTION WAS THE BATHROOM REDESIGN. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE STILL A.D.A. COMPLIANT , BUT WE HAD TO GET CREATIVE BECAUSE IF WE HAD DONE THE ORIGINAL, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HITTING A LOW BURN WALL. SO, WE ARE ABLE TO MOVE IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION BECAUSE OF MS. CANARY AND HER TEAM ARE VERY OPEN TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HOW WE CONSTRUCTED THAT. IT WAS FIRST, THE REDESIGN OF THE BATHROOM AND THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT FOR THE ELEVATOR AND THE SECOND FLOOR.

OTHER THAN THAT, ONCE WE HAVE THE STILL FABRICATION AND THE APPROVED BRILLIANCE, WE ARE READY TO GO.

>> YOU MEAN THE APPROVED PLANS FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT? THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. AND THE OTHER COMPONENT OF IT , I DON'T THINK THIS COMMISSION OR CRA BOARD , WE DON'T HAVE OUR COMMISSION AT ALL AND TECHNICALLY. WOULD BE AGAINST ANY IMPROVEMENTS. I REALLY DON'T. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE OWNERS OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY , IF ANYONE IN THIS ROOM OWNED A PIECE OF PROPERTY, THEY JUST WANT TO SEE WHAT THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE. AT SOME POINT, WE WANT TO SEE THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE AT IT WITH YOU AS YOU ARE EXCITED WHEN YOU START RECEIVING ACCEPTANCE LETTERS AND PERMIT AND MATERIAL. THIS IS ONE , MOST OF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS. BUT WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT APPROACHED THE COMMISSION OR THE FPR A BOARD ABOUT THE STRUCTURE . I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH NOW A RETIRED PERSON OF THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND I SAID I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY YOU WANT TO GIVE US THIS BUILDING. BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING. THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING. SO,

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THERE'S A BIGGER VISION AND A BIGGER MISSION FOR THIS PROCESS. ON THE I DID ABOUT IT. I'M VERY EXCITED FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND 80 . WE WANT TO CELEBRATE THAT AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH YOU. IT'S BEEN KIND OF DORMANT FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF OUR CHAIRS. BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK IN THE BACKGROUND. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT. WE WANT TO CELEBRATE THAT WITH YOU AND YOUR TEAM. AND INC., WE JUST CANNOT WAIT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN THERE AND DO RIBBON-CUTTING WHEN IT'S TIME. MY NEXT QUESTION, I IT'S ALWAYS TWO OR THREE PARTS TO ALL OF MY QUESTIONS IS THE FINANCIAL PORTION OF IT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE EQUIPPED TO ANSWER THAT OR SOMEONE ELSE FROM THE INCA TEAM NEEDS TO ANSWER THAT TO SEE IS IT GOING TO BE DOABLE OR FEASIBLE AND DO WE HAVE ANY

HICCUPS WITH FINANCING. >> YOU ARE CORRECT. I'M NOT THE ONE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THEM TO COME UP HERE, I WILL SEND OUR CONTACT INFORMATION . VENABLE LOST A TOUR EVEN THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS OR SEE THE PROCESS, WE WILL WELCOME AND BE ABLE TO TAKE YOU THERE A WALK OF THE TOUR.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANEMIC. I'M CANARY GARDNER, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER . I'M GRATEFUL AND HONORED TO BE HERE BEFORE YOU ON THIS EVENING.

WE'RE EXCITED THE FINANCING IS IN PLACE IN ORDER TO GET THIS PROJECT DONE. THIS TOOK A LOT OF PLANNING AND A LOT OF COMMITMENT FROM OUR INVESTORS, BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT TO SEE WHAT WE ARE DOING TO CONTINUE AND TO THRIVE.

>> SO , WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THE MEANTIME? SO YOU HAVE YOUR FINANCING IN PLACE AND HAVE PLANS IN PLACE. WHAT HAPPENS THROUGHOUT THE NEXT SIX OR EIGHT OR 10 MONTHS? WHAT HAPPENS WITH YOUR PROGRAMMING AND YOUR SYSTEMS?

>> AS FAR AS OUR ORGANIZATION, WE ARE DOING FABULOUS. IN THE LAST TWO AND HALF YEARS, WE HAVE TRAINED OVER 200 BUSINESSES IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE IMPLEMENT INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MODEL. INDIVIDUALS COME TO US, BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE WE ARE EXPERTS IN OUR AREA. ABOUT 96% OF THOSE BUSINESSES ARE MINORITY OWNED AND WOMEN OWNED BUSINESSES AS WELL AS YOUTH ON BUSINESSES. WE ARE ACTUALLY TRAVELING THROUGH DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTRY TO JUST GET MORE INFORMATION AND KEEP SPREADING OUR MESSAGE. WE JUST GOT BACK FROM WASHINGTON, D.C. A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. WE LOOK FORWARD TO GOING BACK TO WASHINGTON IN MAY TO MEET WITH OUR FLORIDA SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN FOR THIS AREA. OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH AS MUCH FEDERAL FINANCING AS POSSIBLE. WE DO HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN AS FAR AS OUR ORGANIZATION. SO, IN ORDER TO HAVE A LONG-TERM PLAN TO REALLY MAKE AN IMPACT WITH ECONOMIC IMPACT IN THE AREA, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE FEDERAL PARTNERS THAT'S GOING TO PARTNER WITH YOU TO GET THE WORK DONE. IN THE MEANWHILE, OUR ORGANIZATION IS NOT DORMANT . WE ARE VERY MUCH ACTIVE TO JUST CREATE PARTNERSHIPS LIKE HORUS AND OTHER COMMUNITY PARTNERS LIKE PETE TOUCH WITH THE NDC TO JUST CONTINUE TO DO GREAT

THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONTINUING TO WORK HARD AND STRIVE AND COMPLETE THE MISSION. I KNOW IT NEVER GOES AWAY , BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE MISSION HERE AND A PHYSICAL STRUCTURE. A KIND OF GOT SIDETRACKED A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING THAT VISION AND THE PERSEVERANCE TO GET THROUGH IT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK ? >> MEMBER GAINS, I WILL MAKE

IT QUICK. >> THANK YOU. I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR THIS FACILITY. IT AN IMPRESSIVE BUILDING. OF COURSE, FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE BY TODAY'S STANDARDS. YOUR PLANS TO UPGRADE OUR EXTENSIVE. AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF SEE THE VISION BASED ON THE WORK THAT HAD BEEN COMPLETED. I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM , BOARD MEMBER JEH JOHNSON'S COMMENTARY THAT YOU HAVE YOUR PLANS IN HAND, YOU HAVE YOUR PROJECT MANAGER PREPARED , THEY'VE GONE OUT AND ORDERED THE SPECIALTY MATERIALS, ET CETERA. THIS IS

NOT AN EXPENSIVE RETROFIT. >> NO IT'S NOT.

>> THIS IS QUITE CANDIDLY EFFACEMENT OF RETROFIT FOR THE SIZE OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING YOU ARE UNDERTAKING. I APPLAUD YOU IN THE EFFORT, BECAUSE IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. YOUR FUNDING MECHANISMS ARE IN PLACE AND YOUR FUNDING IS READY TO GO. AS SOON AS YOU IS ISSUED, YOU'RE READY TO START. AM I INTERPRETING THE CONVERSATION

CORRECTLY THAT WAY? >> WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED BECAUSE WE ARTIE GOT IT FABRICATED.

>> CORRECT. YOU ARE READY TO MASS BODIES AND MANPOWER THERE

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BUT BASED ON THE TIMELINE THAT WAS PRESENTED, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. THE PERMITS ISSUED AND FUNDING IS IN PLACE, THERE SHOULD BE NO DELAYS.

>> THERE SHOULD BE NO DELAYS. THE FIRST THING WE DO ONCE THE PERMIT IS APPROVED IS MAKE SURE WE FINALIZE WHAT THE SUBCONTRACTORS AND ITS POSSIBILITIES ARE. WE CANNOT FINALIZE THOSE BECAUSE WE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO COMMENTS OR CHANGES OR ADDITIONS TO THOSE PLANS. IF THOSE PLANS COME BACK WITHOUT THEM, THEY ARE ALREADY TECHNICALLY READY TO BE ABLE TO SIGN THOSE CONTRACTS. WE HAVE ORDERED THE MAJOR COMPONENTS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT THERE IS NO REASON FOR DELAY ONCE WE HAVE THE PERMIT

APPROVED. >> I WILL BE DRIVING BY THAT

PROPERTY TOO. >> I HAVE A FEW SPOTS FOR YOU

TO SEE. MADAM CHAIR. >> I WILL BRING MY OWN HARD

HAT. I'M GOOD TO GO. >> THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE.

THIS IS MUCH NEEDED. SO, I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE SPECIFICS TOO MUCH OF THAT , BUT I THINK AT SOME POINT, THE QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCE HAVE COME UP. I THINK WE ARE CONCERNED AS STEWARDS OF THE COMMUNITY. WE WEAR TWO HATS.

THIS IS ONE HAT. THE ONE HAT IS WHERE ELECTED AND LEAD IN THOSE AREAS. WILL YOU BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF DOCUMENTATION OF HOW YOU ACQUIRED THE FINANCES TO DO THIS? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS COST IS. I JUST KNOW WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ELEVATORS AND A.D.A. COMPLIANT BATHROOMS AND STRUCTURES THAT I KNOW HAD TO BE RECONFIGURED, CAN YOU GIVE ME A BALLPARK OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE?

>> WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN PUT A PROVIDER REPORT .

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT AND FUN. IT WILL BE THE WORK YOU ARE HEARING FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE HERE.

>> MR. NIMMS, THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR YOU AND DEATH.

ALL OF THIS IS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW . I THINK THE PERSPECTIVE OF AN UPDATE FROM THIS BOARD, I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT THAT IS AND THAT TIME GAP. I KNOW THEY GOT A LOT OF STUFF THEY PROCESS. I GET THAT. BUT MAYBE NOT NOW, BUT I'M JUST MAYBE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, SINCE IT IN OUR DEPARTMENT, IF WE GET AN UPDATE ON MR. THOMAS AS TO WHAT HE THINKS THIS WILL BE THROUGH HIS DEPARTMENT. SOME TYPE OF COMMUNICATIONS EITHER TO THEM THAT STUFF NEEDS TO BE CHANGEDOR WHATEVER. JUST A BALLPARK.

>> THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> EVERYBODY ELSE. WE ARE VERY ANXIOUS FOR THIS TO GET BACK ON TRACK AS WE LOST A LOT OF MOMENTUM. AND WE HAD HIGH HOPES FOR THE MEAN SCORE CENTER. I DID NOT HAVE THE SKEPTICISM THAT COMMISSIONER JEH JOHNSON HAD WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS SAID WE WANT YOU TO HAVE THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE I LOVE THAT SCHOOL AND THAT PROPERTY. IT A FINE OLD BUILDING IN SOME WAYS EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT. IT TAKES SOME UPGRADING. IT'S A GOOD SOLID BUILDING AND DOUBT BUILDING THAT WHATEVER THE OUTBUILDING IS , THEY SAID IT WAS BUILT LIKE A BUNKER. YOU COULD HAVE HURRICANE WATCH IN THEIR AND THE ABSOLUTELY SAFE. AND THE GROUNDS ARE GREAT. IT SUCH A GREAT LOCATION. WE JUST HAD HIGH HOPES AND WE STILL HAVE HIGH HOPES FOR WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

THIS, WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THIS. THE MAC I WANT TO BE THRILLED.

WHERE IS HORUS LOCATED? >> TAMPA, FLORIDA.

>> TAMPA? THAT YOUR HOME OFFICE. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.

ANYTHING ELSE? WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. LET'S GET THIS

[d. Presentation and discussion regarding on-street parking for seven streets located on South Beach.]

DONE. THANK YOU. >> NEXTIVA'S PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION REGARDING ON STREET PARKING FOR SEVEN LOCATED ON

SOUTH BEACH. >> MR. NIMMS.

>> SOME MONTHS AGO, I SEE OUR VISOR CAME TO YOU AND THEY HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING ON THE ISLAND. AS YOU KNOW, PARKING IS ALWAYS ONE OF THE MAIN INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ON OUR SOUTH BEACH. MR. ANDREWS AND HIS TEAM HAVE TAKEN THE LAST FEW MONTHS TO EVALUATE AND ASSESS THE POSSIBILITY OF THIS PARKING ON THE SIDE STREETS AND HE'S HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AN OVERVIEW OF HIS PRESENTATION FOLLOWING THAT RESEARCH.

>> MR. ANDREWS. GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE. HUDSON AND BOARD

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IT SEEMS TO WORK OUT GOOD . WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT. I LOOK AT IT AND PROPOSE THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH FOUR ADDITIONAL SPACES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT ROAD. WHAT I PROPOSE IS WE WOULD HANDLE THE DRAINAGE BY INSTALLING VALLEY GUTTERS , SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID ON OTHER STREETS ON THE BEACH. PROVIDING DRAINAGE THAT WAY . WE WOULD HAVE TO WIDEN THE PAVEMENT . AS A JUST PUTTING SIDEWALKS THAT WE PROVIDE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS WHEN THE VEHICLES PARKED. AND I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT WHEN WE DO THIS CONSTRUCTION TO THE STREET , WE SHOULD RESURFACE THE WHOLE STREET TO HAVE A FINISHED PROJECT. FOR THESE FOUR SPACES, I PUT OUR PRICES THAT WE HAVE ON CURRENT CONTRACTS AND ARE CONTINUING SERVICES CONTRACT FOR THE PAVING AND COME UP WITH A COST ESTIMATE OF 52,000 FOR THOSE PARKING SPACES AND TO REPAY THE STREET. SO, THAT WAS ON THAT ONE.

>> HE SAID 52 FOR FOUR? >> AND REPAY THIS ONE.

>> AND THE SIDEWALK ALSO. >> NOW WE ARE GETTING -- OKAY.

>> 52,000 FOR FOUR IS GOING TO STICK IN MY HEAD.

>> ANOTHER STREET THERE IS ANY DRIVE, WHICH ALSO HAS EXISTING FOUR SPACES. LOOKED AT THAT AND WE CAN COME UP WITH ANOTHER FOUR SPACES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT . AND AGAIN, LOOKED AT THE SAME THING, PUTTING SIDEWALK, IT WOULD BE SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE, IT WOULD BE TO MILLER RESURFACE THE EXISTING ROADWAY TO WIDEN THE ROADWAY AND THIS COST WILL PICK UP ANOTHER FOUR SPACES , SO ANOTHER 50,000.

ST. LUCIE COURT LOOKED AT THAT . THERE IS NO EXISTING ON STREET PARKING ON THAT STREET . BUT , EVERY ONE OF THE STREETS ON THE BEACH HAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT NUANCES . FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN SEE THE HOTEL HAS PARKING THAT TAKES UP A SESSION OF THAT. THEY BACK OUT INTO THE RIGHT-OF-WAY , SO THEY UTILIZE PART OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THEIR PARKING , THE OTHER PARTS ON THEIR . SO, I LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID TO PICK SOME SPACES UP, WE CAN DO 11 SPACES, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THE PARKING FOR THE HOTEL IN THIS AREA. AS YOU CAN SEE , THE SHADING, WE PICK UP THREE AND FOUR ON THAT SIDE. A TOTAL OF 11 SPACES WITH THE CONSTRUCTING SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT . THERE, AGAIN KNOWING THE RESURFACING AND WIDENING . WITH UP TO 113,000 TO PICK UP 11 SPACES.

OUT 13,000 THE SPACE AND 12,500 IS BASED ON A DOWN TO 10,000.

WAGERING FOR SYMPATHY. 7500. I'VE ALMOST WON STREET THE CRA ADVISORY PROPOSED. I LOOKED AT THAT AND WE RUN INTO A KIND OF PROBLEMS ON THAT STREET. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ARCHES, WHICH IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH TAKES UP A GOOD BIT OF

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SO, ON THE SIDE, WE BACK TO PICKING UP SIX BASES OF 53,000 ON THAT SIDE . THE REASON FOR A LITTLE CHEAPER , WE HAVE EXISTING SIDEWALKS ON THE NORTH SIDE. SO, WE WOULD HAVE TO CONSTRUCT A SIDEWALK ON THAT SIDE. PORPOISE EXISTING CONDITIONS THERE , WE HAVE THE CRA ADVISORY SUGGEST THAT WE CAN PUT IN , I THINK THERE WAS 12 PARKING SPACES THEY PROPOSED . AND I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THAT. WE HAVE AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENT THAT ON THE SOUTH SIDE THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. SO, WE HAVE THE ALLEYWAY THAT WILL COME UP THROUGH THERE. SO, I HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. ON THE NORTH SIDE , WE HAVE THREE VACANT PARCELS. AND THEY'RE ALL PLATTED SEPARATELY. SO, YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT THOSE WOULD BE DEVELOPED AND YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER ACCESS INTO THOSE PARCELS OR WHAT MAY DEVELOP ON THAT. SO, AT THIS TIME, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE NOT CONSIDER PARKING ON THAT STREET. WITH THE UNKNOWN AND THE INSTRUCTION ON THIS OUTSIDE, I THINK IT WOULD BE , AT THIS TIME IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO WAIT ON THAT.

AND THE SAME THING APPLIES TO FRANCIS STREET. AGAIN, WE HAVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE SOME PARKING THAT TAKES UP PART OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS ON THE NORTH SIDE. SO IT'S KIND OF UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME. THIS PROPOSAL JUST PROPOSE TO PUTTING PARKING ALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE, WHICH WOULD FORCE THAT BUSINESS OWNER TO RECONFIGURE HIS PARKING . I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO GET IN TO THAT CONFLICT RIGHT NOW.

>> MADAME MAYOR , IT LOOKS LIKE THIS HAS AN INTERNAL COURTYARD.

IS THAT PARKING INTERIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT? OR IS IT ALL ON STRAIGHT BACK OUT INTO THE ROAD PARKING? I KNOW WHAT IT IS TRADITIONALLY, BOTTOM OF THIS HAS APPROVED WORKING INTERIOR TO THE PROJECT OR NOT.

>> I DON'T BELIEVE IT DOES. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, BUT I BELIEVE MOST OF THE PARKING IS THE BACK OUT ONTO THE

FRANCIS. >> THANK YOU.

>> YES SIR? >> I'M SORRY. JACK. THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT. PARKING COMMITTEE HAS SEEN THIS PREVIOUSLY . BOARDMEMBER GAINS IS SMILING DOWN THERE BECAUSE IT ONE OF MY FAVORITE TOPICS TO TALK ABOUT. THE EXCITING AREAS OF PARKING. ONE OF THE CONCERNS I HAVE IS RELATIVE TO THE OVERALL PARKING SCHEME, BASICALLY BETWEEN PORPOISE. THE PORPOISE LOFT THAT WAS CREATED IS MASSIVELY POPULAR. AND, IT'S PACKED EVERY WEEKEND. MOVING NORTH, OF COURSE WE GET INTO THE CONGESTED AREAS OF THE RESTAURANT AND OTHER COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE THERE. WE HAVE TWO PARKING LOTS THAT ARE IN THAT AREA THAT , FROM MY INITIAL

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COMMISSIONER JEH JOHNSON CRINGING DOWN THERE. I KNOW THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE PRIORITY CREATING ON STREET PARKING AT SUCH A HIGH DOLLAR COST. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT. DO YOU RECALL THAT THAT SET OF SPACE IS NOW? I THINK IT'S 52? 42? I THINK YOUR CONCEPT PLAN FOR THE EXTENSION LOT WAS 32 OR 34. SO, WE GOT THE CAPACITY TO CONVERT TEMPORARY DIRT PARKING INTO 80+ PARKING SPACES .

PROBABLY NOT A LOT MORE MONEY THAN WE ARE LOOKING AT.

SIGNIFICANTLY LESS PARKING. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON IT. LET'S FINISH WITHOUT THEIR BEFORE WE LOOKED AT MY

INVENTORY AS WE ARE ONGOING. >> I'M WONDERING. I CAN SEE THE TWO LOTS OPINIONS LUCY . THE FOUR STREET FOR THE SOUTH

, I WILL BE ADDING PARKING. >> THE PARKING COMMITTEE REALLY

WAS NOT AN ADVOCATE OF THAT. >> IT WAS JUST THE CRA ADVISORY

COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION. >> I REMEMBER THAT. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER THE ACCESS POINT.

ARE THOSE PARKING LOTS CROWDED ? NO PARKING. DO THEY GET?

>> THE CITY LOT NEXT TO THE JETTY .

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BEACH ACCESS FURTHER DOWN. ARE THOSE BEACHES CROWDED IN TERMS OF -- DO WE NEED THE EXTRA PARKING FOR ACCESS , I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING.

>> THE PARKING COMMITTEE LOOK AT THIS. THEY ARE ADVOCATING INTO ST. LUCIE COURT TO LOOK AT THAT. THE FURTHER SOUTH AS YOU ARE BASICALLY OUTLINING IS THERE WAS NOT A MASSIVE DEMAND FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY THE RETURN OF THE DOLLARS.

>> I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT NEEDED BUILDING.

>> AND THE PURPOSE LOT HAS FIT THE NEED PERFECTLY THERE. HAD NEVER SEEN A 100%, BUT IT'S BEING UTILIZED HEAVILY. I THINK THE CAPACITY ON THAT AND HAS BEEN ABSORBED BY THAT ADDITION OF THAT LOT AND MAKING THE OTHER LOT PERMANENT IS GOING TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO UTILIZE THEM MORE. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SEE THE MONEY IS INVESTED, BECAUSE THEY LOOK LIKE THEIR BOX. THEY SIMPLY DO, WHICH IS WHAT THEY ARE.

ANYWAY. >> IF I CAN ADD CONFERENCES AND GULF STREAM ARE VERY CLOSE TO THE FIRST MAJOR BE ACCESS POINT . IS IT PEER SPEECH OR I FORGET WHICH ONE.

>> ONE IS SURFSIDE AND ONE IS KIMBERLY BERG DALLAS. ONE IS

THAT IS ANOTHER ONE. >> WHICHEVER ONE IS FIRST, THE FURTHEST NORTH , ACROSS THE SEA TURN. IT'S NOT ON THIS MAP, WHICH IS MISLEADING ALMOST. IT'S NOT MISLEADING, NO ONE WAS TRYING TO MISLEAD ANYONE. MY POINT IS IF YOU ZOOM OUT ON A GOOGLE MAP, YOU SEE THE BEACH ACCESS POINT IS REFRESHING AMENITIES AND A LOT OF PARKING IS WITHIN A STONE THROW AWAY.

>> IT USED TO HAVE A LIFEGUARD.

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>> AND CAMILLA, THAT LOT IS BUSY, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN .

>> ONLY WHEN WE DO EVENTS ON SITE.

>> I THINK IT'S A GOOD BALANCE THERE.

>> I'M IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THE ST. LUCIE COURT EXPIRATION. I THINK WE HAVE TO DIVE DEEP INTO THE IDEA OF ST. LUCIE COURT AND THE PARCEL THAT WE OWN. WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT PARCEL. I THINK THAT'S MONEY WELL SPENT AND FIGURING OUT WHAT'S NEXT FOR THAT PARCEL. COMMISSIONER, I KNOW THE EXTENSION , I WAS JETTY PARK WAS ALL OF HEART.

NOT PARKING, NO ING PARK GREEN SPACE , ALL OF JETTY AND YOU HAVE TO WALK FROM A POINT TO GET TO THAT PARK BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN AMENITY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND WHERE I CAN TELL WITH YOUNGER KIDS OR AT LEAST 20-YEAR-OLD KIDS, THEY ARE INTO HANGING OUT AT A PARK LIKE THAT. AND THEY'RE GOING TO HANG OUT AT THE JETTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO HANG OUT AT NEARBY RETAIL AND THEY'RE GOING TO HANG OUT WHERE THEY CAN GET A DRINK OR TWO OR 10 WITH THEIR FRIENDS.

>> YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH? >> I'M TELLING THE TRUTH. AND I DON'T WANT TO PUT MONEY ON IT. THIS IS NOT A BAD IDEA.

IT'S REALLY NOT. IT COMES WITH GREAT RECOGNITION FROM THE CRA ADVISORY . I APPRECIATE THEM LOOKING. WE TOLD THEM THAT. WITH THAT NUMBER AND THE STICKER, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR , THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR. HOW DO YOU SPEND A QUART OF MONEY. I THINK YOU CAN SPIN IT SOMEWHERE

ELSE. RIGHT DIXIE ? >> UNLESS ONE IS REALLY IN LOVE WITH THIS, I THINK WE'RE SAYING THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'VE EXPLORED AND YOU PUT A PRICE TAG ON IT AND WE ARE IN SHOCK AND WE ARE GOING TO THINK ABOUT IT. IS THAT ABOUT IT?

>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN TOO IS THIS BOARD

SHOULD -- WE HA >> THE ST. LUCIE COURT . THE ONE THAT'S VACANT ON THIS. DO YOU HAVE ISN'T IT? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVEN'T ZOOMED IN OR NOT.

>> IT'S THE DIRT LOBBY YOU SEE IN THIS PICTURE OF ST. LUCIE COURT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A VIDEO OR A PICTURE OF IT

FROM ARIEL. >> IT WAS ADJACENT.

>> THERE IT IS. >> ST. LUCIE COURT. THE PRA OWNS THE TO THE SOUTH OF THAT AND THE BOTTOM OF THAT SCREEN.

THE IDEA, BACK IN THE DAY WAS, I THINK YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE HERE THAT VOTED FOR THAT PURCHASE. IT WAS BEFORE MY TIME EVEN . POMONA TALKED ABOUT IT A LOT. I WILL BE SEEING IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS. I WILL ASK HIM TO BEND HIS HEIRS SOME MORE.

WHAT THE BOARD WAS TALKING ABOUT AT THE TIME THAT THEY MADE THE PURCHASE. IT WAS 700+?

>> WE WERE USING IT FOR PARK. PEOPLE COULD PARK THERE .

>> WE HAD A RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT A LITTLE BIT AS A

RENTAL REVENUE. >> WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE. AND I THINK WE WERE LOOKING FOR PERHAPS A VERTICAL STRUCTURE FOR PARKING AS WELL AS RETAIL AND SOMETHING .

>> IS THAT WHAT YOU RECALL? SOME KIND OF VERTICAL

IMPROVEMENT? >> IT'S GOING TO BE NEEDED.

ONCE THE LOT ON SEAWAY GOES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MASSIVE PARKING PROBLEM ON YOU. THEY'RE SIMPLY GOING TO BE NOTHING. THE COMMERCIAL OF TENANTS OUT THERE ARE GOING TO BE BEGGING FOR THE CITY TO COME UP WITH A CURE. WE SELL THIS AND TURN IT INTO COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, WE WILL NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET IT BACK EVER . SO, I THINK KEEPING IN CITY INVENTORY BECOMES CRITICALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS PLAN TIME.

DO WE REALLY NEED TO LIQUIDATE THE PROPERTY THAT BAD TO GENERATE REVENUE? I DON'T SEE THAT.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT. WE NEED TO HOLD ONTO IT AND BE THINKING OF

WHAT THE BEST USE FOR IT. >> ULTIMATELY, THAT PICTURE IS GOING TO BE PAINTED. I THINK WE WILL KNOW AT THAT TIME WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THAT VERTICALLY AND CANNILY IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE, PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST ALTERNATIVES IS GOING TO BE TO SUPPORT OUR FOLKS THAT WANT TO USE THE BEACH AND GO TO THE RESTAURANT AND ALL OF THAT.

PUBLIC OPPORTUNITY, FRANKLY. I THINK IF WE HOLD IT FOR NOW, BUT IF WE START THAT CONVERSATION TO SEE WHAT COULD BE, NO ONE ANTICIPATING OF ANY DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE AND PERHAPS EVEN THE WESTIN PENINSULA STUFF , THERE IS A

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AREA AND MARKET. >> WITH PUT OUT THE BID TO REQUEST A PROPOSAL AND THEY BOTH CAME OUT WITH THEIR PUBLIC

PARKING OPTION. >> I THINK WE NEED TO BE A

QUALIFIER ON THAT. >> IT WAS RECOMMENDED IN THE RFP TO PROVIDE PUBLIC PARKING. YOU CAN MANDATE IT , BUT AGAIN, TRYING TO PROTECT THE PARKING INTEREST , BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF COMBINING IT WITH RETAIL FUNCTIONS AND THINGS .

>> FOR THE PEOPLE THAT USE IT FOR THE RETAIL , THE PARTIES ARE VALIDATED. SO THE STORE PAYS THAT . I THINK IF PEOPLE WANT TO GO LONG-TERM, THEN THEY PAY LONG-TERM, WHATEVER THAT RATE IS TO BE THERE. BUT I JUST REALLY THINK THAT'S A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT.

>> I AGREE. THAT'S A LOT OF STRATEGIES. WE HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE WESTIN PENINSULA. THAT'S NOT VERY FAR AWAY. AND I WANT TO GO BACK AND JUST SAY, AT JETTY PARK, IT SERVED ITS PURPOSE, IT'S A BIT FULL IMMUNITY IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. JACK, I AM SURE YOU PARTICIPATED IN THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION AND CHARRETTE AND CONVERSATION AND DESIGN AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO, I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT, BUT IT HAS DONE WELL . WHEN WAS IT DONE? EARLY 2000 .

>> WE DEDICATED IN THE FIRST YEAR I WAS MAYOR, AND 2013.

>> SO IT WAS RIGHT IN 2010. SO CONCEPT IN ELITE AND NINE AND 10, RIGHT AND THERE GOT BUILT. IT'S DONE WELL. FOR ME, I JUST THINK THE LONG-TERM COMMUNITYWIDE THINKING AND HOW WE TIE ALL OF THESE PIECES AND PARTS TOGETHER. I SEE IT TRANSFORMING AGAIN. I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU GUYS. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND IT HAS PHENOMENAL OPPORTUNITY , WITHOUT A VEHICLE BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. AND, THAT'S JUST ME TALKING. I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT THAT , I WANTED TO THROW A FRISBEE OUT THERE. I'M HONEST WITH YOU. AND I CAN TODAY. JUST WITH A FEW MORE ELEMENTS, I THINK IT'S EVEN MORE FAMILY ORIENTED. I WOULD JUST KEEP IT THAT WAY. IF WE HAVE PARKING STRUCTURE . IF WE HAVE THAT.

>> YOU CANNOT TAKE THAT AWAY AND NOT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE TO

MAKE UP FOR IT. >> IN THE COMMUNITIES WE VISIT OR EYE VISIT AND YOU GO AND YOU WANT TO PARK AND YOU WANT TO GO TO WATCH . I WAS IN, WHERE WAS I? SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA, AND I PARKED A LONG WAY AWAY BEFORE I GOT TO THE BEACH. THAT'S WHAT I DID. GUESS WHAT, THERE WAS AN INLET RIGHT THERE AND I WATCHED THE BOATS COME IN IT OUT AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL AND COOL AND I WATCH THE SUNSET OR SUNRISE IN THIS CASE. I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME THINGS ON THE HORIZON , AS LILA LIKES TO SAY.

THAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THIS AREA TO GROW, IN ADDITION TO WESTIN PENINSULA AND PRIVATE PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE PUT ANY MONEY INTO THE DUSTBOWL PARKING LOT, COMMISSIONER. I HEAR YOU AND I WORRY ABOUT THE

DUSTBOWL, BUT MAN. >> YOU JUST MADE THE QUALIFYING STATEMENT, ONSIDE, MADAM CHAIR PITCHES ONE FOR THE COMMENT.

YOU MADE THE QUALIFYING STATEMENT. IS THAT WE ARE BALANCING THIS OUT WITH PARKING ASSETS TO OFFSET THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A PART THERE THE PUBLIC AND ENJOY. IF THAT IS THE EQUATION, I'M COMPLETELY ON BOARD WITH THAT CONCEPT.

WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS THIS THING SPUN UP AND PUT UP TO BID SO WE CAN SECURE $1 MILLION FROM A DEVELOPER THAT WILL THE GOAL VERTICAL WITH A CONCRETE TOWER. THIS IS THE PUBLIC WATERFRONT PROPERTY . IT SHOULD BE PROTECTED FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENJOY THE WATERFRONT IN A PARK WITH PARKING ASSETS.

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REACHED AN AGREEMENT. >> SORRY, COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> IT'S MY PASSION, I GUESS. >> I'M SITTING DOWN HERE LISTENING. I HEARD ALL THE ARGUMENTS. THIS IS ME.

>> YOUR TIME FOR THE PICKLEBALL SHOT.

>> MY TIME. IT IN MY COURT. GUYS, WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM. WE HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY NO ONE WANTS TO USE BECAUSE WE DON'T -- I'M HEARING WE DON'T WANT TO GO VERTICAL, WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM. IT'S NOT GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON, AND THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE WORSE . BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THE BEST CITY ENGINEERS. IF NOT THE STATE , PROBABLY IN THE COUNTRY. LET'S MAKE HIM PUT HIS HEAD TOGETHER AND SAY HEY. NOTHING FUNNY . YOU HEARD WHAT WE WANTED. HE JUST SAT THERE AND GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW HE WAS GOING TO, FOR PARKING SPACES ON THIS STREET. I WAS WAITING UNTIL HE STARTED TELLING ME THOSE PRICES AND THAT I SELECTED MY CHAIR FOR FOUR PARKING SPACES. BUT NO ONE CAN'T TELL ME HOW . I BELIEVE IN THE CITY ENGINEER AND I DO, THAT HE CAN'T GET THAT VISION AND HE CAN'T SAY, OKAY JEREMIAH WANTS TO THROW A FRISBEE. I'M JUST GOING BY

WHAT I HEARD. >> BUT YOU WANT TO THROW A FRISBEE, I UNDERSTAND THAT, RIGHT . WE DON'T WANT A DUSTBOWL. I'M HEARING EVERYTHING WE JUST SAID. WE DON'T WANT A DUSTBOWL , WE DON'T WANT TO SELL IT BECAUSE IF WE SELL IT, WE KNOW IT'S GOING VERTICAL. IT'S GOING VERTICAL AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO CREATE A BIGGER PARKING PROBLEM. MR. JOHNSON WANTS TO USE IT, CURTIS JOHNSON WANTS TO INCORPORATE WHATEVER WE CAN TO DO THE BUSINESSES AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT WE CAN USE IT. SOME WAY, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY WE HAD, SOME AFFECT THE PARKING. WE HAVE SOME ASPECT AND SOME TYPE OF PARK OR AMENITY THAT THE PUBLIC CAN USE AND WE CAN START WORRYING ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET. MY PROBLEM WITH THE STREETS, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE STREET, WITH THE PARKING FILE WE ARE THINKING ABOUT PUTTING THE PARKING IN FOR PEOPLE COMING TO THE BEACH. WHAT'S GOING TO STOP THE RESIDENCE AND EVERYBODY ELSE FROM TAKING UP THAT PARKING SPACE , TAKING UP THAT PARKING SPACE BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT OTHERS PARKING THEIR COMING DOWN THE STREETS AND PARKING THERE CARS. IT'S GOING TO BE ALL THESE IDEAS. PAYING $53,000 FOR FOUR PARKING SPACES AND THE PUBLIC CAN'T USE IT BECAUSE THEY ARE TAKING UP. THAT'S WHY ETHEL BACK IN MY CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW IF WE SPEND SOME MONEY TO GET SOMEBODY TO SAY HEY, SHOW ME SOME IDEAS THAT WE CAN DO THIS PROPERLY. WE HEARD EVERYTHING TONIGHT. SHOW US SOMETHING. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. PEOPLE PASS THAT ALL THE TIME . PEOPLE PASS THAT BECAUSE IT'S A DUSTBOWL OR WHATEVER. I ALSO SEE PEOPLE GO THERE AND PART. IF WE CREATED EVEN A THIRD OF THAT AND MADE THAT PARKING, HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WITH THEY GIVE US? I AM JUST SAYING.

>> ABOUT 30? >> ABOUT 50.

>> IT'S MORE THAN WHAT WE GOT. THEN WE GO BACK TO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING. THE LAST THING I WANT, AND I WILL BE QUITE. THE LAST THING I WANT, I AGREE WITH, I KNEW JEREMIAH WAS COMING AND SAY, I JUST KNOW WHAT HE WAS GOING TO SAY ABOUT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, I GOT AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN TWO COMMISSIONERS AND ALMOST AN AGREEMENT ABOUT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY . WE NEED TO BUILD ON THAT.

>> MAKE IT RUN WITH IT. >> TAKING A RUN WITH IT BECAUSE I NEVER THOUGHT I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD HEAR MY COLLEAGUE TO THE NEXT TO ME AGREE TO ANY TYPE OF PARKING OR ANYTHING ON THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE HE WANTS TO KEEP IT, BECAUSE THAT IS PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THAT'S WATERFRONT. I GET IT AND I HEARD IT. BUT WE HAVE A PARKING PROBLEM. IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY AND FROM WHAT WE HEARD

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PARKING ACES. >> 25 PARKING SPACES.

>> QUARTER OF $1 MILLION. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH GETTING SOMEBODY IN THERE WITH IDEAS THAT YOU HEARD TONIGHT TO SAY, HEY, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT A CHARRETTE, RIGHT? DO WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE CHARRETTE ? DOING WHAT WE DID WITH THAT PROPERTY. I HATE TO GUARANTEE ANYTHING, BUT I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE -- THIS IS WHAT WE GOT TO DO AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS. . WE HAVE AN YOU KNOW HE'S TRYING TO LEAD US ANYWAY.

LET'S KEEP IT HERE BEFORE HE SAYS GOODBYE.

>>, THEY WERE. -- HE JUST CREATED 25 PARKING SPACE ON SOME ROADS. -- -- NONE OF US WANT TO DO THAT LET'S COME UP WITH THE BEST MULTI USE WE CAN FOR THIS PROPERTY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHATEVER WE DECIDE IS GOING TO BENEFIT EVERYBODY IN THIS CITY MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

>> GREAT. I THINK WE HAVE KIND OF WRAP THAT UP. ARE WE ALL IN AGREEMENT? THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL PRESENTATION, JACK.

BUT WE SAY NO. BUT YOU DID A GOOD JOB. AND WE APPRECIATE IT.

THIS IS THERE IS A LAYOUT AND AN IDEA. THOSE PARCELS ARE DEVELOPED AND SOMEONE MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO UTILIZE A AND I SAW THE PRESENTATION OR ENGINEERING MIGHT MAKE A COMMENT THAT SAYS BY THE WAY, DID YOU EVER CONSIDER ON STREET PARKING SPACES?

>> PULL OF THAT AND SAY LOOK WHAT WE CONSIDER. AND THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SPOT I BELIEVE IN THIS COUNTY AND OF THE EAST COAST WHERE THE INLET MAKES THE ATLANTIC OCEAN . IT IS ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL WITH THE JETTING AND IT IS SO BEAUTIFUL AND IT'S HEAVILY USED NOW FOR -- VERY HEAVILY USED AND PEOPLE ENJOY SITTING ON THIS SWINGS AND WATCH THE BOAT GLAD EVERYTHING. YOU MAY BE RIGHT. MAYBE TO BE MORE GREEN SPACE AND LESS PARKING . ONE DAY . BUT IT IS -- IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPOT. IT WAS A SPOT WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND THERE WAS NOTHING THERE EXCEPT AUSTRALIAN PINES AND BEACH. AND

JETTING. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. >> AT THE AUSTRALIAN PINES.

>> YES WE DID. >> IS ONE OF THE JEWELS OF OUR

CITY. >> ONE OF THE JEWELS OF OUR

CITY. >> WE HAVE FIGHTING -- I DO IT ALL THE TIME AND IT'S JUST A GREAT SPOT. AND AS A MIB ONE OF THE BEST SPOTS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY, BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT AND GET WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL. I AGREE WITH THE 100%, MADAM CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU, JACK. >> ALL RIGHT. WE WILL MOVE ON.

STAFF COMMENTS? WE HAVE STAFF IN THE AUDIENCE. IS THERE ANY

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A QUESTION OF ANY STAFF? >> I HAVE ONE.

>> WELCOME BACK.

[10. BOARD COMMENTS]

ANY BOARD MEMBER HAVE A COMMENT?

>> MADAM CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS . I ENJOY LISTENING TO YOU GUYS YESTERDAY. I LEARNED A LOT, BUT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS IN PARTICULAR, I WAS VERY IMPRESSED IN HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE NAMES THAT WERE PRESENTED FOR THE PINE PARK. I FOUND THE CONCLUSION REACHED THERE AND OF COURSE, WE ARE GOING LOOKING AT THOSE NAMES , I CAN CONCUR FOR THE INITIAL CLASS. I THINK GOING FORWARD, COMMISSIONER GAIN COMMENT WHERE UNDERSTOOD, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROCESS IS COMMUNICATED OFTEN AND WIDELY AMONGST A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS AND CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT PHONE OPEN FROM THIS DAY FORWARD . SO PEOPLE CAN BEGIN TO MAKE NOMINATIONS OR SUGGESTIONS TO US. AND I THINK WE COULD TAKE THAT UP ANYTIME WE WANT. I THINK IF WE GET TO A POINT THAT WE GOT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE PORTAL , I THINK WE BRING IT BACK TO THIS COMMITTEE TO EVALUATE . I THINK HAVING A KIND OF THAT BACK THROUGH SOME OF THE OTHER PROCESSES THROUGH THE PARKS OVER THROUGH LINCOLN PARK, THEY COULD BE AWARE OF IT, BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY, IF WE OPEN THE PORTAL, AND STICK TO THE CRITERIA THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR, I THOUGHT WE NEED SOME CHANGES. I AGREE, UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE PIONEERS THAT ARE NO LONGER WITH US. I AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THE LANGUAGE. I THINK THERE WAS SOME OTHER KEY POINTS IN THE LANGUAGE. I HAD TO GO BACK AND LOOK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SOME OF THE CRITERIA WE WERE LOOKING FOR.

>> WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT. >> WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE SURE WE BUTTONED THAT UP. THE INITIAL PROCESS IS OUT THERE AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN THE CYCLE. I THINK EVERY NOW AND THEN WE NEED TO REACH INTO THAT AND PULL THOSE THINGS OUT AND HAVE A CLASS. MAYBE IF WE SET AN ALL-TIME THAT WE DO THAT, THAT'S FINE TOO THAT WE LOOK AT IT. BUT I THINK EVERYTHING I AGREE WITH WHAT WAS SAID AND THANK YOU GUYS WERE MOVING THE PROCESS FORWARD . I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE PRESENTATION BY MS. MARLEY. AS FAR AS TOURISM, I THOUGHT THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING. IN THE NUMBERS. I THINK THAT KIND OF DATA IS GOING TO HELP US MOVING FORWARD. SO, THAT'S WHAT I OBSERVED. I'M COMPLETELY ON LINE WITH WHAT WE ARE. I AM OKAY WITH THOSE. I THINK IT WAS SEVEN OR SIX?

>> I WAS THE QUESTION. >> THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DEFINITELY DOES NOT I KNOW HIS DAUGHTER WHO CAN HELP US WITH THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO JUST VERIFY,

I'M OKAY WITH THAT. >> ANYBODY ELSE?

>> MADAM MAYOR PETE QUICKLY. I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT THE OTHER DAY. OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER PROGRAM AND A BOARD AND AGENT TO FUND SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES. I WAS GOING TO TALK TO MR. MIMS TO THE IF WE NEED TO EXPLORE ANYTHING ELSE WITH THAT PROGRAM JUST IN GENERAL , BECAUSE I THINK IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AND VERY HEALTH.

>> WE ONLY HAVE TWO SCHOOLS. >> I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND IT'S A GREAT TIME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT CONSIDERING WHAT'S COMING IN AUGUST AND NOVEMBER TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT ON OUR FINGER SHIPS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT. IT IS ON NEGOTIATION TO -- POSSIBLY, BUT THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT. AND I JUST WANT TO, I'VE BEEN WAITING TO TALK ABOUT THIS. I JUST TO PUT THAT UP TODAY TO WHERE WE SHOULD JUST EXPLORE.

>> MORE SCHOOLS POSSIBLY? DO YOU HAVE ONE OR TWO IN MIND.

>> I JUST WANTED TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE MECHANISMS COME INTO PLAY, HUNTING, STAFFING, GETTING WITH THE POLICE CHIEF AND EVERYTHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT AND HOW SUCCESSFUL IT HAS BEEN BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD ON MULTIPLE TIMES IS SUCCESSFUL. AND WE ARE REACHING OUR FAMILIES AND OUR KIDS AND WE ARE HAVING A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH THOSE NEED

THE HELP. >> THE TWO SCHOOLS THAT THEY ARE IN THAT THEY MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. THE BIG

DIFFERENCE. >> I WANTED TO ASK MR. NIMMS

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