[00:00:05] >> WE ARE READY, MAYOR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER, THIS IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMMISSION. MONDAY, JULY 1ST, 2024. WE STAND, FOR THE OPENING PRAYER BY PASTOR JIMMY LLOYD WITH THE FAIRLAWN CHURCH AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> HELLO, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE GIVEN ALL OF US TO SERVE OUR AMAZING COMMUNITY HERE OF FORT PIERCE. I PRAY FOR THIS COMMISSION MEETING, I PRAY FOR EVERYONE THAT IS INVOLVED IN EVERYONE WHO IS IN THIS ROOM, I PRAY BLESSINGS UPON THEM. I PRAY FOR UNITY, I PRAY FOR CLARITY, FOR FAIRNESS, AND I PRAY FOR WISDOM. IN YOUR MIGHTY NAME, AMEN. >> AMEN. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] THE MINUTES FROM THE JUNE 17TH, 2024 REGULAR MEETING. >> MOVE OR APPROVAL. A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> [a. Ken Pruitt complimented Planning Director Kev Freeman for his exceptional openness, inclusivity, and outreach efforts at Safe Harbor Harbortown Marina at the June 10, 2024 Planning Board meeting.] >> WE RECEIVED A LETTER FROM KEN PRUITT AND DIRECTOR KEV FREEMAN FOR HIS EXCEPTIONAL [8. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA] OPENNESS, INCLUSIVITY AND OUTREACH EFFORTS AT THE SAFE HARBOR HARBOR TOWN MARINA . WE HAVE ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS OR CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. A LOT OF PHONE -- FINE FOLKS VISITING FOR ITEM C AND I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE THAT AFTER 10 A BEFORE THE CONSENT. >> IS THAT A MOTION OR A SUGGESTION? >> I WOULD MAKE THAT EMOTION. IF YOU CAN SECOND THAT. >> LET'S CALL THE ROLL FOR THAT. >> MOVING AGENDA ITEM 13 C. >> WE CAN APPROVE THE REST OF THE AGENDA? CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. [9. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS Any person who wishes to comment on an agenda item which is not under Public Hearings on the Agenda may be heard at this time and must sign up to speak in advance. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.] OKAY, WE WILL MOVE ON TO COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. >> WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL PEOPLE SIGN UP. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND WE WILL GIVE YOU A THREE SECOND WARNING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. IF YOU ARE NOT READY, I WILL CALL SOMEBODY ELSE. >> MADAME MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKING CARE OF A LONG TIME AGO, I FEEL. >> CAN YOU STATE THE NAME FOR THE RECORD? >> MATTHEW SAMUEL. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> WE ONLY HAVE A FEW OF THESE MONUMENTS AROUND FOR PIERCE. THEY GOT PUT UP A FEW YEARS BACK. WE HAVE WINE IN FRONT OF THE COURTHOUSE HERE. I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED MORE OF THEM. IT IS A HISTORICAL SITE FROM THE NAVY S.E.A.L.S. IT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNIZED AS A HISTORIC SPOT. I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING US ALL HERE TONIGHT. THIS WILL MAKE FOR PIERCE MORE BEAUTIFUL. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS NOT A REALITY SHOW, YOU DO NOT NEED TO APPLAUD. I CAN SEE [00:05:01] BY THE SMILES ON YOUR FACE IS THAT YOU APPRECIATED. I HATE TO SPOIL THE FUN. KRISTA STONE. >> HELLO, GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS KRISTA STONE. I AM WITH MARINE CLEANUP. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO LITTLE JIM, AND THE ENTIRE FAMILY THAT HAS DONE DUE DILIGENCE TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE COMMUNITY FOR STANDING TOGETHER. IF YOU SEE THE BLUE SHIRTS, THAT IS THE TRUE SYMBOLISM. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE VIDEOING THIS. FOR THAT, THANK YOU SO MUCH, WE ARE APPRECIATING WHAT WE HAVE HERE PROTECTING AND PRESERVING HISTORY AND THE ICONIC OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR FUTURE TO BE TOLD AND PASSED TO BE PRESERVED, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. >> MARY BETH -- >> HELLO, MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE HERE. I KNOW IT IS A CONFUSING ONE, SORRY. >> I DID NOT REACH HER HANDWRITING VERY WELL. >> I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 13 YEARS NOW. I GRADUATED JUPITER HI. I HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. IT IS AN AMAZING LOCATION. I AM ALSO A YACHT BROKER LICENSED BY THE STATE. I RUN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL CORPORATION THAT DEALS WITH MANY PEOPLE HAVE BUSY HERE. I ALSO RUN A SOCIAL MEDIA TREASURE COAST FLORIDA VACATION LIKE A LOCAL. I DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT COME FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. TO THE TREASURE COAST AND TO FOR PIERCE. LITTLE JAMES IS AT THE TOP OF OUR LIST OF PLACES WE WOULD PREFER. I HAVE PEOPLE COMING BACK ALL THE TIME TO SAY THANK YOU. FOR TELLING ME ABOUT THAT JIM. I REMEMBER WHAT FLORIDA USED TO BE WHEN I WAS VISITING MY PARENTS. THE HISTORY, I DID NOT KNOW ABOUT. BECAUSE IT WAS LITTLE JIM'S, WE NEED TO PRESERVE THE PLACES THAT WE HAVE LEFT LIKE THIS AND ARE PART OF THE TOUR IS IN THIS AREA. PRESERVED TO STAY THIS WAY FOR GENERATIONS OF CALM SO THAT OTHER GENERATIONS CAN APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. >> A GOOD EVENING, MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, AND ANYONE ELSE IN YOUR RESPECTIVE PLACES. AND I DID NOT COME HERE , I AM A SUPPORTER OF LITTLE JIM'S. I GAVE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO INVITE MY GREAT PARTNERS, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HIGHWAY MUSEUM GROUNDBREAKING ON JULY 9TH, 2024 AT 1234 AVENUE D, 10:30 IN THE MORNING. IT IS HAPPENING. >> WE PROVIDED AN AUDIENCE FOR YOU. >> YOU CAN CALL IT THAT. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JOY MASLIN. IS SHE HERE? OKAY. UP AT THE PODIUM, PLEASE, MA'AM. WELCOME, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, MS. COX WILL GIVE YOU A THREE SECOND WARNING. [00:10:02] >> THE AMBIENCE THAT A PLACE LIKE LITTLE JIM'S GIVES A PLACE LIKE THIS IS IRREPLACEABLE. WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN THEY TOOK THE TIKI BAR AND WE LOST THE AMBIENCE OF AN OLD-STYLE THAT CANNOT BE REPLACED. YOU LOOK AROUND LITTLE JIMS AND YOU SEE THE FROGMAN ON THE NAVY S.E.A.L.S, THAT IS HISTORY. THAT IS OUR PARENTS, GRANDPARENTS, YOU CANNOT REPLACE THAT. IT IS WONDERFUL. THAT'S IT. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> PJ BILLING. >> MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, IT IS GREAT PLEASURE AND PRIVILEGE THAT I STAND BEFORE YOU ECHOING THE SENTIMENTS OF MY COHORTS BEHIND ME. AND PROBABLY 50,000 SIGNATURES FROM PEOPLE AS WELL. LET ME GET YOUR ATTENTION ON THAT. 50,000 SIGNATURES OF PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS PLACE TO CONTINUE THE WAY IT IS. YES, IT IS OLD FLORIDA. IT IS DESIGNATION FOR HISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE IN FOR PIERCE. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT. MY DADDY SERVED 36 YEARS AND WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES INTO AUSCHWITZ. WE DO NOT WANT TO FORGET THAT. I HAVE ALSO SET FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS AFTER VETERANS . WE NEED TO PRESERVE EVERYTHING THAT KEEPS OUR GREAT COUNTRY IN THE SPOTLIGHT THAT WE ARE THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH. LITTLE JIMS REPRESENTS SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT ANY OF US REALLY REALIZE. THE NAVY S.E.A.L.S THAT HAD TO GO THROUGH THE GUARD POST AT LITTLE JIMS BEFORE THEY WENT OVER TO THE ISLAND TO GO TO THEIR TRADING. WE ARE SHOWING RESPECT AND HONOR TO THESE MEN AND WOMEN BY ALLOWING THIS PLACE TO BE WHERE IT IS, THE WARINESS -- WAY IT IS AND WITH HISTORIC PROTECTION THAT IT WILL NOT TURN INTO A HOTEL OR BOAT LAUNCH. I THINK YOU IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR WISDOM AND DISCERNMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. [a. William Wims, Chief Executive Officer and President of New Horizons of the Treasure Coast with a presentation on mental health resources available in our community.] >> THOSE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS MISCELLANEOUS REPORTS. WE HAVE WILLIAM WIMS, CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER AND PRESIDENT OF NEW HORIZONS OF THE TREASURE COAST WITH A PRESENTATION ON MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES IN OUR COMMUNITY. >> DELETED FOR THIS? >> THIS IS COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON. >> I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA. WE HAVE HAD CONSTITUENTS FROM THE COMMUNITY COMMON AND SHARE CONCERNS ABOUT THINGS HAPPENING IN FOR PIERCE. ESPECIALLY RESOURCES IN THE AFTERMATH OF UNFORTUNATE VIOLENCE THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE ARE RESOURCES THAT THIS COMMISSION NEEDED TO BE AWARE OF. WE NEED TO CONTINUE THE PARTNERSHIP WITH NEW HORIZONS TO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS IN OUR COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. I THOUGHT IT WAS FITTING THAT WE WOULD HEAR FROM THEM. THERE WAS A YOUNG LADY SITTING IN THE AUDIENCE THAT NEEDED SOME INFORMATION. I NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE RESPONSIVE FOR A ONE TIME MEETING AN ONGOING CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE OF RESOURCES IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THOUGHT IT WAS FITTING TO ASK THAT THIS BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA. >> WELCOME. >> I AM WILLIAM WIMS, WE REPRESENT 400 EMPLOYEES THAT WORK FOR NEW HORIZONS OF THE TREASURE COAST. WE HAVE SEVERAL PROGRAMS. THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE IS THE MOBILE RESPONSE TEAM. DIAL 211 AND THEY WILL DIRECT YOU WITH OUR TEAM. WE WILL COME OUT AND MEET YOU ANYWHERE THAT YOU NEED US. A PARK, LIBRARY, WHETHER IT IS AT YOUR HOUSE, OR AT SCHOOL, WE CAN HELP LINK YOU UP WITH THE RESOURCES THAT YOU NEED, IT IS A FREE SERVICE. IT DOES NOT COST ANYTHING. PEOPLE THINK THAT IT WILL COST MONEY. IT DOES NOT COST MONEY FOR US TO COME OUT AND SEE YOU. WE DO KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM CAN BE CHAOTIC AT TIMES. WE OFFER [00:15:05] PSYCHOLOGY, BACK OPEN TODAY, 20 KIDS DETOXING NOW, 20 BEDS. INPATIENT HAS 25 BEDS AND WE HAVE SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL. ALL TYPE OF SERVICES TO HELP EVERYBODY THAT WE CAN. WE JUST DID SOMETHING WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE WE HAD A CHRONICALLY ILL YOUNG LADY ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD CAUSING TROUBLE AND WEEGAR IN AND SET UP WITH SERVICES. SHE HAS NOT BEEN HERE SINCE. WE FOUND HER FAMILY AND SHE IS NOW LIVING WITH HER FAMILY. WE HAD TO CALL THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND HAVE BIOHAZARD. WE WERE ABLE TO GET HER THE SERVICES THAT SHE NEEDS AND GET HER ON MEDICATION AND GET HER WHERE SHE NEEDS TO GO. >> CALL 211 FOR THAT? >> WE DO HAVE SOME BROCHURES. I WANT TO MAKE IT EVERYONE -- EASY FOR EVERYONE. WE HAVE IT IN SPANISH, ENGLISH, WE ARE WORKING ON CREOLE RIGHT NOW. IT'S EASY FOR EVERYBODY. YOU CAN CALL THAT TO GET RUNNING SERVICES. THEY WILL TRANSFER YOU TO A PERSON I WILL ANSWER THE PHONE. DIAL THIS, DIAL THAT. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I THINK THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS IN THE COMMUNITY, HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH THE SITUATION WHEN YOU COME ON THE SCENE? IF YOU ARE MAKING THAT CALL, IT IS THE NEXT STEPS WHERE PEOPLE GET STIGMATIZED, IS IT A BIG WHITE BUS? CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS IT SELF? THAT IS THE MOST CRITICAL PIECE THAT PEOPLE MAY BE INTIMIDATED NOT TO DO BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE SEEN AS NEEDING THE SERVICE OR BEING RIDICULED. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT? >> WE CHANGE THE NAME FROM CRISIS TO RESPONSE. WE USED TO HAVE A BIG BUS, YOU ARE RIGHT. IT LOOKED LIKE AN ICE CREAM TRUCK. WE GOT RID OF THAT, NOW WE HAVE ACTUAL VEHICLES THAT ARE UNMARKED AND WE COME UP TO PEOPLE'S HOMES AND IT IS A CAR THAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS IN THE DRIVEWAY. WE JUST HAVE A BADGE LIKE THIS THAT SAYS NEW HORIZONS ON IT. WE SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH PEOPLE TO GET RID OF SOME OF THE STIGMA PEOPLE PEOPLE WILL SAY, SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH THEM, THIS IS GOING ON, THAT IS GOING ON. WE HAVE GOT THAT OUT. WHEN WE GO TO TOOLS, THEY CAN SPEAK ABOUT THE SCHOOL PROGRAM. WE ACTUALLY GO OUT AND MEET THE KIDS IN THE CLASSROOM AWAY FROM THE OTHER KIDS AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY ABLE TO TALK AND SIT DOWN AND BE PERSONAL WITH THEM. THE KIDS ARE MORE APT TO TALK TO A PERSON THAT THEY SEE MORE FREQUENTLY THAN SEEING SOMEONE ONLY ONCE IN A WHILE. THEY HAVE BUILT THE RELATIONSHIPS. IN SOME ACCOUNTS, THEY ARE DEALING WITH THE KIDS. NOW, WHEN WE GO OUT AND TALK WITH THOSE PEOPLE AND WE TREAT THEM LIKE PEOPLE AND NOT JUST LIKE A NUMBER OR A PERSON THAT IS SUFFERING FROM MENTAL ILLNESS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT. WITH SOME OF THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED LATELY, WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ARRIVE ON THE SCENE AND HELP THOSE PEOPLE TO FIND SERVICES THAT THEY CAN TALK. PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THEIR FIRST PSYCHOTIC BREAK, OR GOING THROUGH LIFE, WE TALKED TO THEM AND HELP THEM OUT. >> I WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS GOAL. SOME OF THE THINGS YOU DO IN THE SCHOOL AND HOW YOU APPROACH THAT. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> WELCOME. >> WE HAVE SCHOOL-BASED PREVENTION SERVICES. WE PROVIDE BE TOO GOOD FOR DRUGS CURRICULUM TO ALL OF THE CLASSROOMS IN THE COUNTY. THEY ARE ON A ROTATION BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY FIFTH GRADE CLASSROOMS. THAT IS A VERY LARGE PART OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE PREVENTION SPECIALIST CAN ALSO BE AVAILABLE FOR OTHER EVIDENCE-BASED CURRICULUM IN THE CLASSROOM AS NEEDED OR TO WORK WITH STUDENTS INDIVIDUALLY WITH PARENTAL CONSENT. THE INDIVIDUAL SERVICES, THE SCHOOLS ARE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE PREVENTION SPECIALIST THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THE SCHOOL OR IF A PARENT NEEDS ACCESS TO THAT RESOURCE, THEY CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO NEW HORIZONS AS WELL. THAT SERVICE IS ALSO FREE. WE ARE FUNDED BY THE FLORIDA SERVICES COUNCIL. NO ONE EVER PAYS FOR THAT SERVICE AT ALL. INDIVIDUAL SERVICES TAILORED TO THE NEEDS OF THE CHILD BASED ON INDIVIDUAL RISK FACTORS AND THEN WE ARE ENSURING THAT WE ARE BUILDING UP PROTECTIVE FACTORS THAT WE NEED THERE. >> THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. I [00:20:05] JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. I WILL SAY ALOUD FOR YOU. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR TO THE PARENTS WHO ARE LISTENING TO THIS, THIS MEETING. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE OF WHAT COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON SAID, THE STIGMATISM, PUTTING A LABEL ON MY CHILD, THEY CAN CALL YOU GUYS, IS THAT STILL 211? IT IS FREE. THEY CAN CALL 211 IT IS JUST A CALL TO YOU GUYS TO GET IS SET UP. ALL THE PARENTS THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US THAT HAVE EMAILED ME AND HAVE COME TO MY OFFICE, WE BROUGHT THEM IN FRONT OF YOU. 211. CALL AND GET YOUR KIDS HELP. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE HERE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICES. >> THIS WILL NOT BE THE ONLY INTERACTION. OUR CHALLENGE AS A CITY IS HOW DO WE GET THIS GROUP IN FRONT OF OTHER GROUPS IN THE CITY. I FELT AS THOUGH THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WATCH THE COMMISSION MEETINGS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THIS IS NOT THE END. MY CONSTANT CALL WILL BE BECAUSE OF THE SITUATIONS AND CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE FACED RECENTLY IN OUR COMMUNITY AND STILL THIS PAST WEEKEND. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE RESOURCES ARE OUT THERE AND THAT THE NOISE IS LOUD AND THAT THERE IS HELP AND IT IS NOT STIGMATIZED HELP. YOU WILL NOT SEE PEOPLE WITH BADGES AND CARS MARKED SAYING MENTAL HEALTH. YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE SITTING DOWN THAT CAN HELP YOU GET TREATMENT. MY LAST COMMENT, A TESTIMONY. WE HAD THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE TALKING ABOUT THE PERSON THAT YOU MENTIONED, A HOMELESS LADY THAT WENT UP AND DOWN U.S. 1, THAT IS WHO RECENTLY GOT SERVICES THROUGH THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE. THAT PERSON IS NO LONGER UP AND DOWN U.S. 1 DOING WHAT SHE WAS DOING. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REALIZE AS A COMMUNITY HAVE THE RESOURCES HERE, WE NEED PEOPLE TO HEAR IT AND GO GET IT. THAT IS 211. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO, IT IS A REMARKABLE RESOURCE THAT I BELIEVE, THROUGH THIS MEDIUM, WILL BE BETTER REALIZED THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. I AM APPRECIATIVE OF WHAT YOU DO. THAT IS A LIFE CALLING. THAT IS NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU DECIDE ON MONDAY I'M GOING TO START DOING THIS. IF YOU GET CALLED OUT TO MY OFFICE, BRING THE MARKED VEHICLE, STAFF WILL BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT. STRAITJACKET AND ALL THAT. I'M JUST KIDDING. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. THIS WILL BE A RUNNING DIALOGUE. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING MORE FROM YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW, WHEN YOU CALL 211, SOME INFORMATION YOU NEED TO HAVE READY, YOUR LOCATION, WHATEVER? >> IF YOU JUST NEED TALK, WE ALLOW THEM TO JUST TALK. INAUDIBLE ] OUR GOAL IS TO MEET YOU WHERE YOU'RE AT. I UNDERSTAND. >> GET A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MIC. >> YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROBLEM OF THE STIGMA, IT IS ALL RIGHT TO TALK TO US, PEOPLE HAVE A HARD TIME TALKING TO FAMILY MEMBERS OR OTHER PEOPLE. NOBODY WANTS TO BE CALLED CRAZY OR DIFFERENT. EVERYBODY HAS ISSUES IN THIS THING CALLED LIFE. IT'S OUR JOB TO HELP YOU NAVIGATE LIFE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING OUR JOB HELPING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO ACTUALLY BE SUCCESSFUL. WE DO NOT WANT PEOPLE URT THEMSELVES OR HURT SOMEBODY ELSE. >> WE DON'T EITHER. >> WHAT IS THE SERVICE AREA? >> WE COVER ALL FOUR COUNTIES. MARTIN COUNTY, ST. LUCIE COUNTY. >> FOLLOWS THE 19TH DISTRICT? OKAY. YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> YOU CAN CLAP FOR THAT. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY [c. Resolution 24-R36 designating property located at 601 North Causeway Drive as a Fort Pierce Historic Property and a Locally Significant Site.] [00:25:12] COMMISSION DESIGNATING 601 CAUSEWAY DRIVE AS -- WITH RESOLUTIONS AND CONFLICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> WILL HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER PROVIDE THIS PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, CITY COMMISSION. THIS ITEM IS TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF FORT PIERCE BAIT AND TACKLE. 601 CAUSEWAY DRIVE. THIS REQUEST COMES TO THE CITY COMMISSION BASED ON A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT OF THE DECEMBER 11TH, 2023 CITY CONFERENCE MEETING. I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS SINCE THAT DAY. OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION OFFICER HAS SPENT SOME TIME RESEARCHING THIS AND PUTTING TOGETHER THE RECOMMENDATION YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. THERE WERE TWO MAIN AREAS THAT WE CAN APPLY THE DESIGNATION IN RESPECT OF. ONE, THE ACTUAL LOCATION IS ASSOCIATED WITH A SIGNIFICANT EVENT. A HISTORIC POSITION IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT WERE TAKEN THERE, UNDERTAKEN THERE THAT ARE WELL KNOWN AND HAVE ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT. THESE ARE THE ITEMS AND AREAS THAT WE CAN ATTACH THE HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS TWO. THE ARCHITECTURAL SIGNIFICANCE. THE ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING, WHICH DO REFLECT EARLY FLORIDA CRACKER STYLE BUILDING TECHNIQUES. THIS IS WHERE WE CAN ATTACH THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION TWO. WE ALL KNOW AND ARE QUITE AWARE OF WHERE THIS BUILDING AND PREMISES IS. IT IS AT THE END OF THE NORTH CAUSEWAY, RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY LIMITS. IT HAS A BACKGROUND THAT LINKS BACK TO FOR PEERS AND THE ECONOMY IN THE EARLY 20TH CENTURY. PROBABLY EVEN BEFORE THAT. IT REALLY IS LINKED, ESSENTIALLY, TO THE FISHING COMMUNITY. AND NOW, 60 YEARS LATER IT IS A MAIN GATE HOUSE OF THE UNDERWATER DEMOLITION TRAINING ISSUE. I WILL LEAVE THIS OPEN SO THAT PEOPLE CAN READ THROUGH RATHER THAN ME READING OFF THE SCREEN. THE PROPERTY SURVEY IS THE AREA WHERE WE ARE ATTACHING THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION TWO. IT IS THAT AREA WHICH REALLY HOUSES THE BUILDING ITSELF AND THE LAND BASED AROUND THAT AREA OF THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, A NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT EVENTS HAVE BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LOCATION AND THE BUILDING ITSELF. THESE WERE PRECURSORS OF THE NAVY S.E.A.L.S. IT HAS SOME REALLY HEAVY ATTACHMENT TO THAT TYPE OF TRAINING AND ACTIVITY WHICH IS REALLY IMPORTANT DURING THE SECOND WORLD WAR. PEOPLE WHO VISIT THE MUSEUM WILL GET EVEN MORE INFORMATION ON THAT. IT IS A VERY POPULAR SPACE TO ATTEND AND ENJOY AND OUR PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY REMARKED TODAY THAT IT REFLECTS OLD FLORIDA AND IN ESSENCE, PART OF THE COMMUNITY OF FORT PIERCE AND HOW FORT [00:30:07] PIERCE IS SEEN. WE GET A LOT OF VISITORS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED AND WANT TO REMAIN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE BUILDING, WE SEE PARTS OF THIS BUILDING AS BEING THE FLORIDA CRACKER STYLE. THIS IS A STYLE THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH EARLY FLORIDA BUILDING TECHNIQUES AND CONSTRUCTION. AND THE STYLE OF ITS APPEARANCE. IT HAS BEEN DAMAGED DURING HURRICANES BUT IT WAS REPAIRED VERY QUICKLY AFTER THAT. AND IS ALL IN THE SAME STYLE THAT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING WAS IN BEFORE THE DAMAGE. NOW TONIGHT, WE ARE LOOKING AT LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS. IT IS DONE THROUGH THE CITY'S CODE AND THIS IS PART OF THAT PROCESS. THE PRESERVATION BOARD VIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND MOVED IT TO MAX CITY COMMISSION. WHAT DOES LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATION MEAN FOR A SITE OR BUILDING, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT NEED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AN APPLICATION THAT COMES FORWARD. KIND OF LIKE A PLANNING APPLICATION. IF ANYTHING CHANGES IN THAT BUILDING OUR NEEDS WORK OR IS REPAIRED, THEN THERE ARE VARIOUS POINTS OF THE MATRIX THAT IT HITS. THIS MEANS THAT ONCE THAT APPLICATION COMES IN, DEPENDING ON THE TYPE AND EXTENT OF THE PROJECT OR THE WORK THAT IS BEING CARRIED OUT, IT WILL GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD AND WE HAVE A MATRIX HERE. THREE PAGES OF MATRIX, WE JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, OR MARIA HERE WILL VIEW THOSE FROM THE STAFF POINT OF VIEW AND MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON HER KNOWLEDGE OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION REQUIREMENTS. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT POINTS OF THIS ARE THAT ADDITIONS OF THE BUILDING NEED TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. IF THERE IS AN AWNING ON THE MAIN FACADE, GOES TO THE PRESERVATION BOARD. IF THERE IS A PERGOLA INSTALLED, WITH A STRUCTURE, IT GOES TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. IF ANY DEMOLITION IS CARRIED OUT OR PROPOSED ON THE PROPERTY, IF IT IS MORE THAN 10% OF THE PROPERTY, THEN IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. ANY CHANGES TO THE MAIN FACADE IN TERMS OF OPENINGS GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. ANY CHANGES, INCLUDING PAINTING OF THE UNPAINTED SURFACE WOULD GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD, ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. IF A PORCH IS PROPOSED AND IT IS ENCLOSED ON THE MAIN FACADE, THAT GOES TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. ANY MOVEMENT OF THE BUILDING AND RELOCATION OF THE BUILDING GOES TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. A CHANGE IN SHAPE TO THE ROOF GOES TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. SHEDS, NOT REALLY APPLICABLE HERE, I DON'T THINK. WALLS OR FENCES IN THE FRONT FACADE GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. WINDOW OPENINGS ON THE MAIN FACADE OR CHANGES ON THE SECONDARY FACADE IS A CHANGE IN THE OPENING. MAINLY A CHANGE IN THE APPEARANCE OF THE BUILDING GOES TO THE HISTORIC RESERVATION BOARD. ANY CHANGE IN ZONING, NOT NECESSARILY AN ACTUAL CHANGE IN THE USE OF THE BUILDING WHICH CAN BE IN THE SAME ZONING CATEGORY. IF IT IS THE CATEGORY CHANGES, THEN IT GOES TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. THOSE ARE ALL OF THE PIECES BROKEN DOWN [00:35:07] OF THE IMPACT OF THE LOCAL DESIGNATION. I MENTIONED ON JANUARY 22ND, 2024, THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD RECOMMENDED THIS FOR -- UNDER MARIA'S GUIDANCE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE SITE IS SIGNIFICANT IN THE LONG TIME CONTRIBUTION TO FOR PEERS. IN ALL ASPECTS, THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, MILITARY HISTORY, AND STAFF THERE RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. UNDER THE SIGNIFICANT CRITERIA WHERE HE MEETS BOTH OF THOSE. THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CITY COMMISSION IS TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION AND DESIGNATE THE PROPERTY AT 601 CAUSEWAY DRIVE. IT WILL BE VIEWED AS A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING UNDER THE CITY'S REGULATIONS WHICH PUT IT OVER THE CRITERIA. THAT'S THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. >> FOR CLARITY, THE CITY OWNS THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> WE HAVE HAD VARIOUS OPERATORS OVER THE YEAR. >> IT IS NOT THE ACTIVITY IN THE BUILDING THAT IS DESIGNATED HISTORIC IT IS THE BUILDING AND PROPERTY ITSELF. THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THAT DESIGNATION. >> COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT TO ASK. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE AERIAL VIEW OF THE BUILDING WITH THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, WE ARE TALKING TONIGHT SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SURVEY OR WHICHEVER VIEW YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. CAN YOU POINT TO MEAN THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT IS OF SIGNIFICANCE? THAT'S FINE, THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THAT IS THE ORIGINAL BUILDING HERE. THERE WERE SEVERAL ADDITIONS MADE TO THE BUILDING TO THE CANOPY WHERE THE BAR AND SITTING IS. THIS WAS ALL ADDED LATER. THE ORIGINAL BUILDING -- YEAH. IT IS PRACTICALLY INVISIBLE BEHIND THE ADDITION WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST THE PART. >> 800 SQUARE FEET? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. WHEN WE DESIGNATE SOMETHING LOCALLY AS A HISTORIC STRUCTURE OR CONTRIBUTING SITE OR SIGNIFICANT SITE, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE PARCEL AND EVERYTHING WITHIN AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH THE MATRIX WHEN THE APPLICATION COMES IN, IN THIS CASE, BEING THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FOUR YEARS, APPLYING FOR SOME IMPROVEMENT OR ALTERCATION, WHATEVER. MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROPERTY. WHATEVER HAPPENS WITHIN THE PARCEL. >> WE RECOMMEND THAT THEY WOULD IN RESPECT TO ANY ACTIVITY BE REQUIRED FOR THE APPLICATION UNDER THE DESIGNATION. >> THIS ONE IS UNIQUE TO ME. I AM LOOKING AT THE MARINA APPLICATION AND THIS OUT ALSO FALLS UNDER THIS CATEGORY ALSO. I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE ANY OF THESE IN THE CITY WHERE WE HAVE BOAT DOCKS. DO WE HAVE ONE THAT IS HISTORIC WITHIN THE CITY? IT'S OKAY, IF WE DON'T, IT IS A CONVERSATION PIECE. THESE ITEMS ARE IMPORTANT WHEN YOU HAVE TO PULL PERMITS AND GO THROUGH STEPS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING, THIS IS ANOTHER LAYER OF CONVERSATION. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ONE THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT AND BRING UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE EVALUATING THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THIS MIGHT BRING. I GUESS THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE AT THIS SECOND, IF YOU GO TO THE MAP VIEW OR THE AERIAL VIEW, A COUPLE OF SLIDES I BELIEVE. OKAY, THE D.O.T. RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE KNOW FROM NORTH CAUSEWAY DRIVE, THERE IS NO OTHER ISSUE THAT WE ARE AWARE OF OF ANY CONFLICTING INTEREST OF ANY OTHER PARCELS OR AREAS. IS THE D.O.T. [00:40:07] RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THAT AREA? >> D.O.T. OWNED PROPERTY. YES. >> I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY HAD THE RESTROOM NEAR THERE. THERE ARE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. I THINK SOME OF THAT HAS BEEN HANDLED. PROBABLY NOT. I HOPE THAT IT IS COMING ALONG AND MOVING FORWARD. I HAVE SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I AM HERE AS I LISTENED TO SOME OF THE CONVERSATION. >> QUICKLY WHILE WE ARE ON THE SCREEN, 60 YEARS, I JUST SAW THAT IT WAS THE 80TH BIRTHDAY. JUST FOR THE RECORD. >> 1944 WOULD BE 80? >> YOU AND I HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL OF THE LITTLE GYM -- LITTLE JIM PROPERTY. YOU LEARNED TO FISH SOMEWHERE NEAR LITTLE JIM. SURPRISINGLY, TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO, YOU GET ALL THE SURVEYS AND THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA, SAY IF YOU ARE FROM FORT PIERCE AND MY COMMENT WAS LITTLE JIM. OH MY GOD, YES, YES. I THINK THAT IN HONORING THE SERVICEMAN THAT USED THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, AND I THINK WE ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING. IT'S JUST ANOTHER PART OF US SHOWING THE RESIDENCE THAT BUILT FORT PIERCE WE ARE NOT SOLELY FOR THE OUT-OF-TOWN'S COMING IN TO TRY AND MAKE FORT PIERCE SOMETHING ELSE. LITTLE JIM IS LITTLE JIM. IT SHOULD BE LITTLE JIM. I'M GLAD THAT WE ARE HERE, I 100% SUPPORT THIS. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. >> IT IS LIKE A WAVE OF A STADIUM. I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. >> WE HAVE EXPLAINED IN THE PAST, WE HAVE SPENT MANY YEARS WORKING ON THIS AND I HAVE ENJOYED MY TIME IN THAT POSITION. QUITE A BIT. I THINK OVER THOSE YEARS, DEALING WITH LOCALLY DESIGNATED SITES, IT WAS FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. WE WERE DEALING WITH THE NATIONAL REGISTER, HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS DOING RENOVATION WORK. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THIS, ANY RENOVATIONS THAT COME IN OUR SUBJECT TO THE SECRETARY STANDARD. BASICALLY, WHAT THAT REQUIRES, JEH JOHNSON WAS GOING DOWN THIS RABBIT HOLE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT. JUST BE PREPARED FOR WHAT YOU GET. TO UNWIND THIS, IT BECOMES A COMPLICATED PROCESS. IF THEY WANT TO BUT THE EXTENSION ON. WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THE THEORY AND THEN IT GOES TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. AND THEY ARE POTENTIALLY HERE AS THE LANDLORD TO SIGN OFF ON IT. I CONTROL POINT IS IMPORTANT. THE TAX PLAYERS OF THE CITY ARE THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TEAM. HAVING SAID THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PROCESS HAS BEEN IMPROVED MULTIPLE TIMES. WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE RENOVATIONS HERE, IN SOME CAPACITY. RESTAURANTS AND SUCH. IF THAT IS IN THE WORKS OR IN THE PLANNING STAGE. I THINK THAT THE OVERRIDING ISSUE HERE IS THE ICONIC NATURE OF THIS SITE. AND THE DESIRE OF THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS OUT HERE TODAY IS THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. YOU HAVE TO BE OUT AT THE STADIUM TO GET ALL THE FOLKS IN. IF YOU PULL IN THE 40,000 CITY OF FORT PIERCE RESIDENCE, ANYBODY THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH LITTLE JIM [00:45:01] WILL SAY YES, WE WANT TO KEEP IT. I HAVE BEEN THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES TO ME WITH THE OPERATORS FOR WHATEVER PARTICULAR REASONS, ANYTIME I HAVE BEEN ENDING, THE PLACE IS PACKED. PEOPLE ARE THERE HANGING OFF THE RAILINGS, ET CETERA. FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I AGREE THAT I SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE AND THE HISTORICAL PROTECTION OF THIS IS MORE -- IT IS REALLY SUGARCOATING. IF THE LANDLORD DETERMINES THAT THEY WILL GET RID OF THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION, IT WILL HAPPEN. ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AS PART OF THIS BODY OR WHERE WE ARE SITTING AT ANY PERIOD OF TIME. THE ATTORNEY, I WAS TALKING TO HER BRIEFLY ABOUT THIS. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE FEEL-GOOD PROJECTS. I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU. I UNDERSTAND THE UNRAVELING OF ALL THIS. IT IS SOMEWHAT COMPLICATED AND IT CAN BE DONE. CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WANT THIS, IT IS THEIR PROPERTY, DESIGNATED FOR THEM. I HOPE IT WILL OPERATE IN THIS VEIN FOR DECADES TO COME. I DID NOT LEARN HOW TO FISH THERE OR DRINK BEER THERE. NEITHER ONE OF THOSE. I HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO TIP A FEW THERE. I WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THAT IS MY PERSPECTIVE ON IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT HERE TONIGHT. THE SHOW OF SUPPORT IS EMPOWERING. IT JUST IS. >> I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION, I WANT TO GO CLEAR, CAN YOU GO THROUGH THE LAUNDRY LIST I YOU PUT UP THERE? WITH THE RED, AND ALL THAT STUFF. THE GOVERNMENT MATRIX BOX. >> THAT WAS TWO OR THREE PAGES OF THIS, RIGHT? I DON'T HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH IT. I WANT THE OPERATOR OR WHATEVER PROCESS THAT IS, WHEN WE CROSS THAT BRIDGE, WE WILL HAVE A LEASE ON THAT PLACE, THE GOVERNMENT PROCESSES PUT IN PLACE THAT WE PUT IT OUT TO BID, WHATEVER THAT IS, THEY GO FROM THERE. AS I LOOK THROUGH THIS LIST, AND I CAN SEE THE COMMON THINGS THAT PEOPLE WOULD DO TO ANY ESTABLISHMENT IF THEY WERE HOLDING THE LEASE OF IT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMUNICATION IS THERE TO THE LEASEHOLDER. WE HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE WHEN THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE ON THIS PROPERTY THAT DID NOT COME THROUGH THE CITY. WE LATER LEARNED THAT THINGS WERE MADE UNCHANGED THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CHANGED WITHOUT NOTIFICATION. THAT IS WHERE I HAVE TREPIDATION ABOUT THIS. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING IT FORWARD. THAT PUTS IT IN THE REALM AND SCOPE THAT THERE IS A HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD THAT WILL LOOK AT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF THAT BUILDING, WHATEVER IT IS NOW, THAT WILL GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. IF YOU WANT TO PUT A WINDOW IN, THAT WINDOW HAS A PROBABLY HISTORIC LOOKING WINDOW AND THAT MY COST MORE THAN WHAT YOU GET FROM HOME DEPOT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HISTORIC DESIGNATION. THROUGH THESE PAGES WITH THE RED ON IT, I KNOW THAT WE JUST FACED A HERE THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WHEN WE HAD A SITUATION COME BEFORE US APPEALING THE DECISION OF THE HISTORIC BOARD THAT WE MADE. I THINK WE WILL FIND OURSELVES BACK IN THIS. I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO BE AWARE THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU GET THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION. IT IS NOT JUST LITTLE JIM. WE HAVE A LESSON THAT WE LEARNED THAT THERE ARE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT ARE BEING PURCHASED BY INVESTORS. THEY ARE MAKING RENOVATIONS AND HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS WITHOUT ADHERING TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION VALUE. WHAT WE ARE ALL ABOUT HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THAT WILL APPLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND ALL OF THE HISTORIC OPPORTUNITIES. WE WILL BUCKLE UP THE HISTORIC BOARD AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE DOING THEIR DUE DILIGENCE TO COMMUNICATE THE BEST THAT WE CAN UP FRONT SO WE DO NOT HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE 90% COMPLETE AND WE FIND OUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HISTORIC LOOKS LIKE. THAT IS MY ONLY TREPIDATION HERE, I AM A [00:50:04] REALIST. WHAT I SEE HERE, IT CAUSES ME SOME CONCERN. I WANT WHATEVER IS OPERATING THIS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE THE LAWS THAT ARE IN PLAY. I DON'T SEE ANYBODY BLOCKING THAT. I NEED TO CLEAR MY CONSCIOUS AT THAT POINT, THIS IS REAL. THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE, RESTROOM FACILITIES, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HAVING OUR RULES FOLLOWED HERE AS WE GO FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> SOME MORE COMMENTS, IF I COULD. THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I WILL START WITH THE WHAT IF SCENARIOS FIRST. AS WE DESIGNATE THIS PROPERTY TONIGHT, WHEN WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OVER THE VOTE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING AT IT AS A HOLISTIC APPROACH. THIS COMMISSION IS NOT GOING TO BE HERE 20 YEARS FROM TODAY. WE HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT AND UNDERSTAND IT AND COMPREHEND WHAT THIS POTENTIAL DESIGNATION MEANS. HERE IS WHAT I AM SAYING. THERE CAN BE A FUTURE COMMISSION THAT SAYS, THERE IS CURRENTLY AN OPERATOR AT THE SITE, OPERATING WITH BUSINESS A, WHAT IF THE COMMISSION SAYS THAT WE DO NOT WANT ANY MORE BUSINESS AND WE WANTED TO BE A MUSEUM AND VISITATION CENTER ONLY, DOES THAT CHANGE THE HEARTS AND THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE THAT I TALK TO. AND THE ANSWER IS YES, I ASKED THEM A QUESTION. IF IT IS NOT AN ESTABLISHMENT WAY TO SET UP TODAY, WHERE I CANNOT GO GET A BEVERAGE AND A BURGER AND WHATNOT, DOES THAT CHANGE YOUR OUTLOOK? AND THEY SAID, I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT THAT WAY. THIS IS SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. THIS IS NOT CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT WHAT WE ARE DOING. THE RESIDENTS GET TO DECIDE FROM THIS COMMISSION BODY, WHAT TO MAKE IT. SOMEDAY TODAY, SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE. IT CAN CHANGE. WHEN WE MAKE GOVERNMENT INEFFICIENT BY CREATING PROCESSES WHERE THE PRIVATE SECTOR CANNOT GO THROUGH ITS NORMAL ACTIVITIES. WE ARE PROTECTING NATURAL RESOURCES AND OUR HISTORY. I HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THOSE ITERATIONS IN MY MIND. IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE HAVE A REAL CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. THE U.S. NAVY IS IMPORTANT TO ME AND MY FAMILY. MY GRANDFATHER PASSED AWAY A COUPLE YEARS AGO. I WAS RELATED BY MARRIAGE TO A NAVY SEAL. THIS HAS GONE THROUGH EVERY EMOTION IN THIS MAN'S BODY. I'VE GONE THROUGH EVERY ITERATION, EVERY QUESTION. I HAVE PICKED APART THESE STAFF MEMBERS AND HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING WITH ME THE PROFESSIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED BECAUSE THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. AS A POLICYMAKER. I HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF THAT. WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT, I AM IN FAVOR OF THIS RIGHT THIS SECOND. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION, WE ARE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. THAT IS WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE BUILDINGS. IF WE ARE CHANGING SOMETHING AND IT WILL BE AN APPLICATION, WE ARE THE OWNERS AND LANDLORDS, WE DESIGNATE AS THE CITY ON RESIDENCE. WE MADE THE DECISION FOR THE WILL. WE NEED TO EVALUATE EVERY PROCEDURE AND MATRIX THAT IS UP HERE. I DO NOT WANT IT TO BE ANOTHER TRIPPING HAZARD THROUGH THE GOVERNMENTAL PROCESS. YOU HEAR ME JOKE ABOUT IT. I HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT QUITE OFTEN. WE WERE GOING THROUGH THIS EXACT SAME THING. ON THE PROJECT SITE. IF THERE IS A DECISION LATER ON, I'M NOT SAYING THAT I AM IN FAVOR OF ANY DECISION LIKE THAT. WE WILL CHANGE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW. WE WILL [00:55:04] CHANGE IT. WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT RIGHT NOW WITH AN OPERATOR. WE WILL LIVE WITH THAT. THAT IS GOOD, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. LATER ON, THERE CAN BE A CASE WHERE IT IS HISTORIC. THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT UP THE BOTOX. THAT IS OF HUGE SIGNIFICANCE. I PRAY THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY DISASTERS IN THE COMMUNITY AND WE CAN PROTECT ALL OF THE AREAS IN THE CITY THAT ARE HISTORIC IN NATURE WHETHER IT IS A NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN TO THE BUILDINGS THAT WE OWN IN OUR CITY. I THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THESE QUESTIONS. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH ROUND AND ROUND THE QUESTIONING AND THE WHAT IF SCENARIOS. I TRY TO BRING THEM ONTO THE TABLE. I HAVE TRIED TO BRING IT ALL TO THE TABLE SO THAT I WAS WELL PREPARED TONIGHT FOR A GOOD DISCUSSION. KNOWING WE WOULD HAVE FOLKS FROM THE COMMUNITY TALKING TO US. I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I TRULY UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. WHEN IT COMES TO ENGINEERING AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR , JUST WANTING TO PUT A WINDOW IN AND HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AS A COMMISSIONER SITTING HERE TODAY, YOU MIGHT BE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 20 YEARS FROM NOW, SOME COMMISSIONER MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY DID A GREAT JOB 20 YEARS AGO, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE IT A MUSEUM. I WILL USE YOUR EXAMPLE, MAKE IT A MUSEUM. ALL I WILL SAY IS THIS, TODAY. AS MANY PEOPLE HAVE WE HAVE GOT HERE TONIGHT, 20 YEARS FROM NOW, I CAN GUARANTEE THAT THEY WILL HAVE DIFFERENT COLOR SHIRTS ON AT THEIR COMMISSION MEETING AND THEY WILL BE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT A MUSEUM. WITH THEIR KIDS, GRANDKIDS, WHOEVER WILL BE HERE. WITH THAT SAID, WHAT WE HAVE DONE TONIGHT BY PUTTING ALL OF OUR THOUGHTS, CONCERNS, AND EVERYTHING ON THE RECORD. SOMETHING YOU ALWAYS SAY THAT YOU LIKE TO LEAVE THE RECORD FOR THE NEXT COMMISSION COMING HERE SO THEY CAN SEE WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM. THEY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM. IF SOMEBODY TAKES A PICTURE AND PUT THIS IN OUR RECORDS, THEY WILL SEE WHAT THE RESIDENTS WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. IN 20 YEARS, IF THAT HAPPENS, I HOPE IT DOESN'T. I WILL NOT BE SITTING UP HERE. I WILL BE SEEING WHAT COLOR SHIRTS IT IS. THAT WILL BE DOWN THE ROAD. I UNDERSTAND AND I HOPE THAT YOU PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. WHAT I DO NOT WANT IS 20 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN YOU AND I ARE SITTING HERE, SOMEONE SAYS THAT THEY DID NOT TALK ABOUT THIS. THEY DID NOT DO THIS. EVEN THE QUESTIONS I COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON SAID WHEN HE WENT BACK TO THIS MATRIX. HE PUT IT ON THE RECORD. YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE FROM WHITE TO OFF-WHITE, IT SAYS PAINT. THERE IS A PROCESS NOW, YOU CANNOT JUST GO TO HOME DEPOT AND BUY THIS PAINT AND PAINTED ALL WHITE. AS YOU SAY, HAVE YOUR CAKE AND NEEDED -- EAT IT TOO. THIS IS WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS SAYING. IF WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, I AGREE. 20 YEARS FROM NOW, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, THAT WILL JUST BE SOMETHING. I WOULD NOT WANT TO BE IN THAT POSITION. >> CAN I SPEAK NOW? WE HAVE A LEASE WITH THE OPERATOR, CORRECT? WE ARE THE PROPERTY OWNER. WE ARE LECTURING TO OURSELVES IN A WAY. IF WE WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO TALK TO OURSELVES AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> THE OPERATOR HAS A LIMITED ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING ON THE PREMISES, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THEY HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH US AND THEY DO A GOOD JOB [01:00:05] OF THAT. THEY WOULD CONTACT THE LIAISON WHICH AT THIS TIME IS THE MARINE MANAGER. HE WOULD ASSIST THEM WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND AS THE REPRESENTATIVE I WILL SIGN THE APPLICATION AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION. >> THAT IS WHAT WE DID TO GET HERE. MY MEMORY IS THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS TURNED OVER TO US BY THE NAVY WHEN THE NAVY LEFT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> I DO NOT KNOW. >> IT IS A LITTLE FUZZY, I THINK THAT IS TRUE. THE NAVY DID THAT FOR US ON SOUTH BEACH ON THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THAT WAS A VERY PRIMITIVE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANTS THAT THE NAVY LEFT AND THEY SAID, FORT PIERCE, YOU CAN HAVE IT. BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO LIVE THERE BECAUSE OF MOSQUITOES. THEY SAID, THAT IS WHERE WE WILL HAVE THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. MANY PEOPLE WOULD GO, WHY DID YOU PUT IT THERE WHEN IT IS A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY? THAT IS HISTORY TOO. THE NAVY LEFT US THAT LEGACY AND THIS LEGACY. WHERE PEOPLE PARTY AT THE COVE, THAT WAS CALLED DYNAMITE POINT. THAT IS BECAUSE THE NAVY PRACTICE THAT VERY THING THERE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PRESERVING HISTORY. SOUTH BEACH AND NORTH BEACH, THEY DID HAVE HISTORY BEFORE THE MILITARY CAME. THERE IS HUNTING AND WONDERFUL THINGS EACH BEACH HAS HISTORY. THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY BUILDINGS LEFT THAT THERE WERE A QUITE A FEW ON SOUTH BEACH. IN 1937. PRESERVING THE HISTORY, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. WHATEVER FUTURE PEOPLE DO RIGHT NOW, WHILE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING NOW IS BEYOND THIS. WE DO NOT WANT FOR PEERS TO CHANGE SO MUCH THAT IT WILL LOSE ITS OLD JOHN -- CHARM AND ITS OLD FEELING. UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO CONTRIBUTE. MR. MAYOR? >> SINCE COMMISSIONER GAINES POINTED OUT, WE ARE MAKING A RECORD OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. THE CURRENT OPERATOR ON THE PROPERTY IS IN SUPPORT OF THIS DESIGNATION. SHE WAS THE ONE THAT ORIGINALLY PROVIDED THE APPLICATION FOR THIS DESIGNATION. IS THAT CORRECT? WE DID NOT HEAR FROM HER TONIGHT, WE HAVE BEFORE. SHE IS IN SUPPORT. >> WE WOULD'VE HEARD FROM HER SHE WAS NOT. >> I BELIEVE YOU ARE CORRECT. WE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT AND DANCED AROUND IT. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, I AM A COMMERCIAL LANDLORD BY PROFESSION. THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE SCENARIO. PROPER LEASE AGREEMENTS MAKE FOR GOOD TENURE RELATIONS. THERE IS A HOST OF ISSUES THAT CAN BE BROUGHT UP HERE TONIGHT HAS POTENTIAL PITFALLS. THOSE LEASE AGREEMENTS ARE ON THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DROP THE DOCUMENTS AND PROTECT THE CITY AND THE HISTORIC DESIGNATION OF THIS SITE. MOVING FORWARD, THAT IS SOMETHING I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON DRAFTING GOING FORWARD WITH THIS PROPERTY AND ANY OTHER CITY PROPERTIES. WE DO NOT HAVE A LEASE ADMINISTRATOR IN CITY HALL. >> THE CITY ATTORNEY. >> WE ARE STILL ON THAT PATH, RIGHT? I AM JUST SUGGESTING THAT GOOD LEASES MAKE FOR A GOOD LANDLORD TENANT RELATIONS. >> I AGREE. >> I AGREE. >> IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MOTION? >> SECOND. [01:05:07] >> WE HAD TWO SECONDS, PICK YOUR CHOICE. >> WAS HE ONE OF THEM? >> YES. >> WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL PLEASE? >> NOW YOU CAN CLAP, NOW YOU CAN CLAP, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL WAIT A FEW MINUTES. YOU ARE WELCOME TO STAY. YOU WILL GO TO LITTLE JIMS. RIGHT. >> ARE WE READY? [11. CONSENT AGENDA] >> YES, WE CAN PROCEED. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> ANY ITEM THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MOTION IN A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. CALLED ] >> MADAME MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. SOMETHING THAT JUST OCCURRED. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY AND COMMISSION FOR THE APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEM 11 F. THIS IS A MONUMENTAL THING THAT HAS JUST OCCURRED. LEADERSHIP FLORIDA IS A VERY COMPETITIVE PROCESS TO GET INTO. I DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THIS. WE HAVE NOT HAD A CITY COMMISSIONER BE AT THIS LEVEL. I WANT TO THINK THIS COMMISSION FOR THE SUPPORT OF THIS. IT PUTS PEOPLE IN THE ROOM ACROSS THE STATE TO TELL A STORY ACROSS FOR PEERS TO TELL US A STORY ABOUT HOW WE CAN CONNECT FORT PIERCE WITH THE REST OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND AND REPRESENT THE CITY HERE THAT WORK IS A WORK OF PASSION THAT WE CONNECT FORT PIERCE TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE JUST DONE TONIGHT TO MAKE HISTORIC DESIGNATION SITES AND TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE REST OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR THE RESOURCES THAT WE WILL NEED FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT SUPPORT. MYSELF, I KNOW THAT ANTHONY HAS CLASSES BELOW THIS. THIS CORNER STORM PROGRAM IS [01:10:11] VERY INTENSE. JOINING THOSE WHO WENT THROUGH THE LAST CLASS AND WHO WAS A SUPPORT OF ME LOOKING INTO THIS ENDEAVOR. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MAKING SURE THAT FORT PIERCE IS RECOGNIZED THROUGHOUT THE STATE. I ENCOURAGE US TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP PEOPLE ON THE COMMISSION FOR THINGS LIKE THIS GOING FORWARD. IT ONLY HELPS US TO GET THE ATTENTION OF THE RESOURCES WE WILL NEED AT THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO GROW THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >> I LOOKED INTO IT TOO AND IT IS SOMETHING I'VE NEVER SEEN ON THE AGENDA BEFORE. IT IS INTENSIVE AND I HOPE YOU WILL BE LEARNING A LOT AND DOING A LOT. [a. WITHDRAWN BY APPLICANT - Ordinance 24-011: Review and approval of a voluntary annexation by Owner, Ignacio and Amelia Garcia, to extend the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include one (1) parcel at 2507 Rolyat Street. The proposed Future Land Use of the property is General Commercial (GC), with a proposed Zoning of Office Commercial (C-1). The Parcel ID is 2419-601-0049-000-2. FIRST READING (Postponed from May 6, 2024)] >> THAT IS THE COMMITMENT, YES. >> THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, COMMISSIONER. I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP AT THE END OF THE MEETING. I'M HONORED. THANK YOU. >> THE ORDINANCE 24-011 THAT WAS POSTPONED HAS BEEN [b. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for a Major Site Plan Amendment (Development Review & Design Review) by property owners, J. A. Development Partners, LLC, Shad Properties Group LLC, and Matthew Lyle Wynne II LLC, and Authorized Agent, Jeff H. Iravani, Inc., to construct two (2) flex-space buildings totaling 390,000 square feet of office and warehouse distribution space with associated site improvements the northeast corner of South Kings Highway and White Road in Fort Pierce, Florida, more specifically located at Parcel Control Number(s): 2313-332-0000-010-0, 2313-333-0001-000-7, and 2313-331-0000-000-4.] WITHDRAWN FROM THE APPLICANT. WE WILL MOVE ON WITH THEQUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING - REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT (DEVELOPMENT REVIEW & DESIGN REVIEW) BY PROPERTY OWNERS, J. A. DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS, LLC, SHAD PROPERTIES GROUP LLC, AND MATTHEW LYLE WYNNE II LLC, AND AUTHORIZED AGENT, JEFF H. IRAVANI, INC., TO CONSTRUCT TWO (2) FLEX-SPACE BUILDINGS TOTALING 390,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION SPACE WITH ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH KINGS HIGHWAY AND WHITE ROAD IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. >> THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING. IF YOU READ THE GUIDELINES, WE HAVE ONE MORE. IF EVERYBODY WILL PAY ATTENTION, THIS IS HOW WE WILL PROCEED. >> LEGISLATIVE AND QUASIJUDICIAL ROLL, THEY PASS LAWS AND ESTABLISH POLICIES. THE COMMISSION APPLIES THE LAWS AND POLICIES AND IS HELD AT A STRICTER PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENT. THEY ARE LESS FORMAL, THEN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE THE CIRCUIT COURT AND MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS MUST FOLLOW DUE PROCESS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE BASED ON SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, THEY ARE CONDUCTING THE MEETING MORE LIKE JUDGES. THEY HAVE PROCEDURES FOR QUASIJUDICIAL HEARINGS THAT ARE FOLLOWED TONIGHT. NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH THE CITY COMMISSION DURING THE HEARING. THE DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK. GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS, ANY OF THE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBERS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MADAME CLERK, HAVE THE ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS BEEN MET? >> ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM HAS BEEN MET. WOULD YOU ASK THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS? >> NOTHING TO REPORT. THE WITNESSES? >> ANYBODY AT WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, DO YOU AFFIRM TO SAY THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAME MAYOR, WE HAVE A PLAN AMENDMENT FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW FOR KINGS HIGHWAY COMMERCE CENTER AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF KINGS HIGHWAY. THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND SHARED PROPERTIES GROUP AND THE TWO SUBJECT PARCELS. I CAN PUT IT ON RECORD THAT I ADDED AN ADDITIONAL PARCEL BY MISTAKE BECAUSE I WAS THINKING THAT HE WAS INCLUDING THIS SMALL SIN PARCEL BUT HE DIDN'T. THERE IS ONLY TWO PARCELS. THE REQUEST FOR REVIEW AND APPLICATION FOR THE MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT IS TO CONSTRUCT TWO FLEXSPACE BUILDINGS TOTALING 390,000 SQUARE BASE OF OFFICE AND DISTRIBUTION SPACE WITH ON-SITE IMPROVEMENTS. ON JANUARY 17TH, 23 THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED A SITE PLAN WHICH CONSISTED OF TWO FLEX BUILDINGS 442,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION SPACE WITH ON-SITE [01:15:01] DISTRIBUTION. A MARKET STUDY WAS DONE BY THE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND A DECISION WAS MADE TO REDUCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THE CURRENT ONE THAT YOU ARE REVEALING CONSISTS OF THE TWO STRUCTURES AND THE APPLICANT HAD PROPOSED 262 SPACES AND IT WAS PHASED OUT, PHASE ONE CONSISTING OF BUILDING ONE WITH 260 SQUARE FEET. INCLUDING THE 15,000 SQUARE FEET OF OFFICE SPACE FOR EACH. OKAY. STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS IS A MAJOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT DUE TO THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PROJECT. THE SUBJECT AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 26.52 ACRES. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS CP ONE, COMMERCIAL PARKWAY ZONE. AND THIS WOULD ONLY INCLUDE THESE TWO PARCELS, NOT THIS ONE. THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN IS BEFORE YOU WITH PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO BUILDINGS. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO OPTIONS WHICH WAS PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD. THIS IS OPTION ONE. WHICH WILL BE BUILDING THE LOADING ZONE INTERNALLY. NOT FACING THE ROAD RIGHT AWAY. IT IS 188 SQUARE FEET TOTAL OF OFFICE. 175,000 OF WAREHOUSE. 130 PARKING SPACES. PHASE TWO BUILDING AREA 220,000 SQUARE FEET TOTALING 9000. 90 PARKING SPACES, SIX HANDICAP, EIGHT TO BICYCLE SPACES AND 39 LOADING SPACES. THIS IS AN ALTERNATIVE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT FOR OPTION TWO WHICH THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AS WELL. IT HAS THE LOADING AREA FACING THE RIGHT AWAY WHICH IS THE SOUTH ROAD. SHRUBS AND GROUNDCOVER MUST BE INSTALLED BETWEEN THE CONCRETE WALL WHICH THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING. THAT IS OUTLINED HERE. A SIX-FOOT WALL TO BLOCK THE LOADING. THIS WILL COMPLEMENT THE FACADE ARTICULATION WITHIN THE CHOSEN ARCHITECTURAL STYLE AND PER CITY CODE 125 ELEVATIONS ARE ADJACENT TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY TREATED AS A BUILDING FRONT WITH DETAILING. IT MUST BE PUNCTUATED WITH WINDOWS, DOORS, AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. BEFORE YOU, THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. OPTION ONE, TOTALING 247 PROPOSED NATIVE TREES. TOTAL PALMS, 209, NATIVES, 75%. THE TOTAL SHRUBS PROPOSED, 13,000. THIS IS THE ALTERNATIVE LANDSCAPE PLAN. IT NEARS OPTION ONE. THIS IS A LIGHTED FOUNTAIN ALONG KINGS HIGHWAY. COVERED WALKWAYS, FEATURES TO BREAK UP THE PLANK WALLS, BUILDING CORNERS AND COVERED ENTRIES WITH FOUNDATION PLANTINGS, GREEN WALLS, AND MATURE PLANTINGS. HERE ARE SOME ELEVATIONS AT THE PROPOSED BUILDING. HERE IS A RENDERING. IT IS THE SAME RENDERING THAT YOU SAW FROM THE ORIGINAL. THIS IS A REDUCTION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR BOTH BUILDINGS. ALL EFFECTIVE DEPARTMENTS HAVE PROPOSED THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS THE ESTABLISHED ORDINANCES AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE. PER APPROVAL OF THE MAJOR SITE AMENDMENT WITH OPTION ONE FOR THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS IN THE JUNE 10TH 2024 MEETING. CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL FOR OPTION ONE INCLUDE THE CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY. PRIOR TO ISSUANCE [01:20:04] OF ANY SITE PLAN, THERE WILL BE A TREE MITIGATION SURVEY FOR THE MITIGATION OF CITY TREES. AND THE PARCEL AND ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS. WITH A GENERAL ADDRESS FORM FOR THE NEW PARCEL I.D. AND FOR EACH PROPOSED BUILDING. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS FOR OPTION TWO WOULD BE 5-70 ADDITIONAL TREES, SHRUBS, AND GROUNDCOVER SHOULD BE INSTALLED, SIX COLORS OF THE CONCRETE WALL CHOSEN TO COMPLEMENT THE FACADE AND KEPT WITHIN THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLING OF THE CHARACTER. IT SHALL BE CONSIDERED A BUILDING FRONT AND SHOULD BE PUNCTUATED WITH FOR WINDOWS, DOORS, AND ARCHITECTURAL ELEMENTS. PLANNING STAFF APPROVAL OF OPTION ONE BEFORE THE APPROVALS, THE MODIFIED APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? COMMISSIONER GARDNER? >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO SITE PLAN ONE, THE PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS? THE MODEL LOADING FOR BOTH OF THESE STRUCTURES IN THE REAR. >> FOR OPTION ONE, YES. >> PARKING OF THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS IN FRONT? THE ONLY ACCESS IS ON WHITE ROAD? >> ACCESS FOR KINGS AND WHITE ROAD. >> THIS RUNS BETWEEN GRAHAM AND WHITE? I KNOW THE PARCEL. I DRIVE BY EVERY DAY. I KNOW. THAT HAS ACCESS OFF OF KINGS HIGHWAY AS WELL? OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS FROM STAFF? >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE OFFICE WAREHOUSE SPACE. THE CODE IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. CAN YOU DESCRIBE FOR ME, OR DO YOU KNOW, THE WAREHOUSE STYLE OF OPERATION? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN THE APPLICATION? IS IT STORAGE? OR IS IT ACTUALLY EMPLOYEES WORKING WITHIN THE FACILITY? >> I'M NOT ACTUALLY SURE ABOUT THAT. THE APPLICANT IS CONSIDERING IT FLEXSPACE WHICH COULD BE A VARIETY OF USES WHICH WOULD HAVE TO BE ALLOWED. I'M NOT SURE IF STORAGE IS OUT WHITE -- RIGHT PERMITTED. >> WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT IN THE DISCUSSION, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF COMPONENTS TO MY QUESTION REGARDING THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I LIKE THE MOST, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AMPLE PARKING AND WE ARE PAVING EVERYTHING THAT IS GREEN SPACE. SOME OF THE CONVERSATION I'VE HAD WITH THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH, KINGS HIGHWAY IS EXPANDING. AND DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IS IMPORTANT TO THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT POTENTIAL FLOODING. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A NEGATIVE POINT FOR THIS SPECIFIC APPLICATION, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT HOLISTICALLY AS A REGION. THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE EVALUATED. I NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY COME FORWARD. THIS WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP BEFORE. THE GRAHAM ROAD CONNECTION, DID THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS SPECIFIC TO GRAHAM ROAD? IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS BEING IMPROVED, I CANNOT REALLY TELL. >> THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO IMPROVE ALONG THE BORDERS OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. >> BASED ON TRAFFIC, THE APPLICANT CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION ALSO. OKAY. THE LAST ONE IS ABOUT LANDSCAPING AND I'M TENDING TO AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS AND STAFF COMMENTS ABOUT THE EVALUATION OF THE LOCATION OF THE LOADING DOCKS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY, WE NOTICED A BUNCH OF THESE BEING DEVELOPED AND BUILT. IS THE THAT IS PROPOSED, SITE OBSCURING AFTER MATURITY? WILL IT BE A LOW HEDGE WITH MATURE TREES? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE. STATE YOUR NAME, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, GOOD EVENING. ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT. I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I HAVE A PRESENTATION. IS THAT STILL [01:25:04] AVAILABLE? I APPRECIATE IT. I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT WHY WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE OPTION FOR THE COMMISSIONERS CONSIDERATION OF OPTION TWO. THIS PROJECT, WHEN YOU SAID IT WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY, THANK YOU. THIS IS THE PREVIOUS SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE LOADING AREA WAS FACING THE ROAD AND I CAN EXPLAIN WHY THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED FOR THE FUNCTION OF THIS SITE. THIS IS WHAT WE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND THE CONCERN WAS THE VIEW AND WHY THE BUILDING WAS FLIPPED. THE REASON WE WOULD RATHER HAVE THE LOADING AREA FACING IS BECAUSE OF EASE OF ACCESS AND TRUCKER CIRCULATION. THIS FUNCTIONS A LOT BETTER WHEN THE TRUCKS CAN GET TO THE LOADING AREA EASIER, QUICKER, SHORTER, AND NOT MIX WITH THE PARKING TRAFFIC. AND THIS IS THE TRUCK CIRCULATION FOR OPTION TWO, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE TRUCKS ARE COMING INTO THE DRIVEWAY AND THEY LEAVE THE LOADING AREA RIGHT THERE. THE ACCESS ON KINGS HIGHWAY IS RIGHT TURN ONLY AND MOST OF THESE, I IMAGINE THAT TRAFFIC WOULD BE COMING FROM THE SOUTH FROM THE TURNPIKE ON 95. THAT IS BEAUTIFUL ACCESS WE NEED TO HAVE ACCESS INTO THE ROAD FROM THE LOADING AREA. A SHORT DISTANCE. THE PARKING TRAFFIC IS SEPARATED. THIS IS THE CIRCULATION WITH OPTION ONE. IT HAS TO COME AROUND THE BUILDING, TURNAROUND, AND GO IN THERE. THERE WOULD BE A MIX WITH VEHICULAR TRAFFIC AND PARKING FOR EMPLOYEES WHICH IS NOT DESIRABLE. THAT IS REALLY THE REASON THAT IT FUNCTIONS WITH OPTION TWO. WE APPRECIATE STAFF COMMENT ABOUT THE LOADING AREA VIEW. WHAT WE PROPOSED, IS -- THIS IS WHAT WE PROPOSED TO BLOCK THE VIEW OF THE LOADING AREA. WHEN YOU SEE A BERM OR WALL. THE TRAFFIC ON WHITE ROAD, YOU CAN SEE LANDSCAPING AND AS FAR AS THE LINE OF SIGHT GOES, IT WOULD BE WELL ABOVE THE LOADING AREA AND THE UPPER PORTION OF THE BUILDING. AND OF COURSE, THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING WOULD BE DESIRABLE. OF COURSE, BEHIND THE WALL, THERE IS LANDSCAPING. THERE WILL BE QUITE A BIT OF LANDSCAPING BUFFERING THE VIEW FROM WHITE ROAD. THAT IS WHY WE APPRECIATE YOU CONSIDERING THIS OPTION. >> QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> YOU HAVE A CHARMED SITE HERE WITH RHODES ON THREE SIDES. I UNDERSTAND YOUR BURDEN HERE. KNOWING THAT AREA VERY WELL, WE DO BUSINESS IN THAT AREA. MAINTENANCE OPERATIONS ARE LOCATED OFF OF KINGS HIGHWAY. I KNOW YOUR SITE VERY WELL. I AM NOT ADVERSE TO OPTION TWO. WITH THE BUFFERS, AS YOU HAVE OUTLINED HERE. YOU ARE KIND OF STUCK. YOU WILL NOT PUSH THE LOADING FACILITIES ON KINGS HIGHWAY, ON THAT SIDE. GRAHAM ROAD IS THE BUSIER OF THE TWO. THIS WOULD BE SENSIBLE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. I'M NOT ADVERSE TO THAT, THAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. WHITE ROAD IS A SHORT ROAD. WE ARE NOT, AS YOU SAID, THE LOADING AREA IS NOT FACING KINGS HIGHWAY. FOR FUNCTION, WE APPRECIATE THE OPTION. >> THEY ARE ON THE SIDE. I AM NOT ADVERSE TO THIS BY ANY [01:30:16] MEANS. >> I THINK ALSO, THIS AREA UNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE OTHER FACILITIES, I'M IMPRESSED BY THE NUMBER OF VEGETATION PUT IN YOUR THAT GIVES THEM THE AESTHETIC COVERINGS THAT LOOKED DIFFERENT THAN JUST WHAT YOU ARE MOVING IN AND OUT IN THESE TRACTOR-TRAILERS. I UNDERSTAND, THE REASON THE TRAILERS WILL COME IN, MAKING RIGHT-HAND TURNS ONLY. FROM THE TURNPIKE TOWARDS KINGS HIGHWAY, TURNING RIGHT, AND THEN COMING DOWN TO WHITE ROAD AND MAKING ANOTHER RIGHT TO COME INTO THE FACILITY. >> THAT IS CORRECT. THE ACCESS OFF OF KINGS HIGHWAY IS A RIGHT TURN IN AND OUT ONLY. THERE IS ACCESS FROM THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH, FOR THE BUILDING TO THE SOUTH, WE WILL BE USING WHITE ROAD AND IT NOW HAS DESIGNED IT WITH DIRECTIONAL INTERSECTIONS. AND IS DESIGNED TO HAVE A SIGNAL BY THE PROJECT TO THE SOUTH, IT IS FULL ACCESS. TRAFFIC WOULD BE COMING FROM KINGS HIGHWAY GOING INTO WHITE ROAD FOR THE ACCESS THERE. >> MAKING A RIGHT TURN OFF OF WHITE ROAD. IS IT WORD TWO LANES? >> IT IS A WIDE ROAD. IT IS ONLY 34 FEET. >> IS IT A DEDICATED TURN LANE OFF OF WHITE ROAD THAT WILL ALLOW FOR CONTINUING TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE HEADING EAST? >> WE DO NOT HAVE THE LEFT TURN DESIGNATED INTO OUR PROJECT BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC ON WHITE ROAD IS SO LOW, WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY DID NOT THINK THAT LEFT HAND WOULD BE REQUIRED. WE DO HAVE A RIGHT TURN ON KINGS HIGHWAY. >> BRINGING TRACTOR-TRAILERS HERE, I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY WILL BRING OUT ONE TIME. MIKE AND ERIN WAS MAKING THE RIGHT TURN OFF OF KINGS HIGHWAY. IT HAS TO TURN LEFT TO GET INTO THIS COMPOUND ON THE TWO LANE ROAD. RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> HELP ME UNDERSTAND THE OPERATION OF YOUR FACILITIES, IS IT THROUGH THE MORNING, THROUGHOUT THE DAY, I UNDERSTAND THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THEY WILL USE THIS ROAD BETWEEN KINGS AND PETERS. IS THAT RIGHT? >> I DON'T LIVE OUT THERE, I DON'T USE THAT SHORTCUT MUCH. I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND FUTURE GROWTH AND WHAT MIGHT NOT BE COMING THROUGH THE LEFT TURN AND IF THAT CREATES A BOTTLENECK COMING OFF THERE. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT YOUR OPERATION HERE? >> THE OPERATION WOULD BE A TYPICAL DISTRIBUTION CENTER. THE TRUCKS, THROUGHOUT THE DAY. THE MAIN CONCERN AS ALWAYS IS -- WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY EXTRA TRUCKS DURING THOSE HOURS. THEY ARE COMING THROUGHOUT THE DAY. WHITE ROAD RIGHT NOW HAS HARDLY ANY TRAFFIC. ONCE IT IS PAVED, THERE WILL OBVIOUSLY BE SOME TRAFFIC. IT IS SO MINIMAL THAT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A DESIGNATED LANE FOR THE TRUCKS MAKING A LEFT TURN. IT WILL BE A FREE THROW GOING IN THERE. THERE WILL NOT BE A STOPPAGE. IT WILL BE A LEFT TURN. >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WILL HAVE STAFF HELP ME OUT IN A MEANING. MY CONCERN IS THE LEFT HAND TURN NAVIGATION COMING IN WITH THOSE TRUCKS. AS SOON AS YOU PUT ASPHALT THERE, PEOPLE WILL FIND IT, HOW DO I GET FROM THIS SIDE TO THE OTHER SIDE IN A QUICKER POINT OF TIME. MY CONCERN, IF IT IS A PAVED ROAD, THEY MIGHT DRIVE A LITTLE FASTER, UNFORTUNATELY. THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO LOOK AT AND MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND. >> LET ME EXPLAIN, AS I SAID, WE HAVE DESIGNED WHITE ROAD [01:35:03] WIDER THAN A TYPICAL COUNTY ROAD. WHITE ROAD WILL BE 30 FEET WIDE. IT IS WIDER THAN THE ACTUAL DRIVEWAY. IT HAS THE STRIPING IN THE MIDDLE, THE TRUCKS WILL BE COMING IN VERY EASILY WITHOUT ANY ISSUE AND ANY DELAY OR STOPPAGE. THE TRUCKS ARE COMING AND LEAVE AT THAT TIME WITHOUT ANY DELAYING OR STOPPING FOR EACH OTHER. WE EXPECT MANY MORE DELAYS FOR THE TRUCK MOVEMENTS. >> THANK YOU. >> IF YOU WOULD, DESCRIBE FOR ME, I HAVE HEARD IT CORRECTLY ABOUT THE OPERATIONS WITHIN THE BUILDING. NO STORAGE OR ANYTHING OF THAT MEASURE, RIGHT? YOU WILL HAVE ACTIVITY ON THIS CAMPUS? >> IT WILL BE MORE DISTRIBUTION. THAT IS WHERE THE FUNCTION WILL BE. >> HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. IN MY UNDERSTANDING OF HOW A TRACTOR-TRAILER OPERATES. THE DRIVERS LIKE TO MAKE THE TURN OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING ME. IF YOU CAN USE YOUR CURSOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN, THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. THAT IS A BACKING MOVEMENT. RATHER THAN THE DRIVER SIDE WHICH IS THE OPEN BACKING MOVEMENT. THAT IS OPPOSITE, DO I HAVE THAT CORRECT? YOU ARE SHOWING IT WITH A PASSENGER-SIDE TURNING IN BACKING THE MOVEMENT? >> THE PURPOSE IS TO SHOW THERE IS ENOUGH SPACE TO GET BACK INTO THE LOADING AREA. THEY CAN MAKE IT FOR BOTH DIRECTIONS. WE HAVE ABOUT 55 FEET FOR THE DRIVE AREA. SHOWING THAT THE TRUCK CAN EASILY BACK INTO THE LOADING AREA. >> HUMAN BEINGS MAKE NATURAL PATTERNS, IF THEY WILL DO IT, THEY WILL DO IT THE EASY WAY. IF THERE IS A BLINDSIDE TO THE PASSENGER, I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THEY MIGHT COME AROUND AND GO TO THE DRIVER SIDE AND MAKING OO THE BACKING FROM THE LEFT INSTEAD OF THE RIGHT. IT IS YOUR TESTIMONY NOT MINE. >> MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT THEY WILL TAKE THE SHORTEST ROUTE TO WHERE THEY ARE GOING. IF THEY WILL BE GOING INTO THE BUILDING, THEY WILL TAKE THE FIRST TURN. COMING IN, I ASSUME THEY WILL BE COMING IN FROM MAKING A RIGHT TURN COMING IN THERE. AS FAR AS WHICH WAY THEY WILL COME, I CANNOT TELL YOU. THAT IS THE SHORTEST ROUTE THEY WILL TAKE. >> I THINK THEY WILL MAKE IT EASIER. IN YOUR TESTIMONY, IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER, OF THAT BUILDING, YOU TALK ABOUT THE MIXING OF THE KILLER TRAFFIC WITH THE TRACTOR-TRAILERS. WHICH I AGREE WITH. IS THERE A WAY FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO FORCE ALL OF THE TRAFFIC TO THE EASTERN SIDE OF THE PARCEL WHEN YOU'RE EXITING? SO THAT THEY DO NOT INTERACT? >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE ON TRUCK DRIVERS. I THINK IF WE GO TO THE PREVIOUS ONE, AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS OPTION TWO. THE TRUCKS ARE COMING. THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE TRUCK INCOMING AND LEAVING AT THE SAME TIME, THIS ONE SHOWS THAT. BECAUSE THE DESIGN, WHITE ROAD WILL GET A RIGHT TURN AND A LEFT TURN ON KINGS HIGHWAY. IT WILL BE DESIGNED SO THAT THERE ARE TURN LANES. AND A SIGNAL AS WELL. THIS IS THE OPTION. ONE CAN COMMENT ONE CAN LEAVE AT THE SAME TIME. GOING RIGHT TO THE LOADING AREA MIXING WITH REGULAR TRAFFIC. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. IN THAT SAME CORNER, A STORMWATER POND OR RETENTION AREA. IS THAT CORRECT? IS THERE ENOUGH AREA TO BACK IN THE 55 FOOT VEHICLE? >> AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WITH OF THE DRIVE UP HERE, THIS MOUSE IS NOT COOPERATING. THIS WIDTH IS THE SAME AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE TRUCKS ARE USUALLY GOING TO BACK IN. IT IS 55 FEET. >> OKAY. I AM LEANING TOWARDS OPTION ONE. I AM LEANING TOWARDS IT BECAUSE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE LOADING DOCKS OFF OF THE PUBLIC [01:40:02] RIGHT-OF-WAY. VISUALLY AND AESTHETICALLY, YOU WILL GET THE SIDE VIEW. LEANING TOWARDS OPTION ONE BASED ON WHAT I SEE IN YOUR DIAGRAMS. I UNDERSTAND IT. I THINK WITH SOME PARAMETERS, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO POSITION YOURSELF WITH SUCCESSFUL BACKING AND TURNING AND DRIVING MOVEMENTS WITHIN THE PARCEL. EARLIER, I ASKED ABOUT GRAHAM ROAD. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS ARE YOU MAKING? >> THAT IS ACTUALLY A TWO LANE. WE ARE NOT MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENT TO GRAHAM ROAD ITSELF. WE DISCUSSED THIS PARCEL OF PROJECT WHEN IT WAS IN SAN LUCY COUNTY. THEY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH US ACCESSING GRAHAM ROAD. THE ONLY IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE THE SIDEWALK ALONG THE PROPERTY. ON GRAHAM ROAD. THE PAVEMENT AND THE WIDTH AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY SEEMS SUFFICIENT AS FAR AS THE COUNTY GOES HAVING ACCESS. >> OKAY. YOU ARE SHOWING A RIGHT-HAND TURN LANE OF THE INTERSECTION? >> YES. I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE A RIGHT TURN LANE THERE. >> OKAY. THAT IS BY YOU? >> THAT IS D.O.T. THEY ARE IMPROVING THE GROUND ROAD. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, WE MIGHT BE CALLING YOU BACK UP. ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >> MADAME MAYOR, I MADE SOME COMMENTS THERE. I THINK I'M IN FAVOR OF THE OPTION ONE OPPORTUNITY. I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE FOR WHAT THEY ARE SAYING. I THINK AS HE SPOKE, A MAJORITY OF THE MOVEMENTS WILL COME OFF OF KINGS HIGHWAY INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE TRUCK TRAFFIC CAN PROCEED EAST AND MAKE THEIR DECISION AT THAT ENDPOINT TO GO TO THE SOUTH BAY OR NORTH BAY. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME, LOGISTICALLY, HOW YOU WOULD LAY THAT OUT. I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT'S POINT OF VIEW. I THINK ALSO, WITH SOME SET UP WITHIN THE PARCEL, ALL OF THE TRAFFIC CAN EXIT THE EASTERNMOST POINT ALSO. UNLESS THEY ARE COMING BACK TO KINGS HIGHWAY FOR SOME REASON. THAT IS MY POINT. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS, IF OPTION ONE IS FOR US TO LOSE THE EXTRA TREE THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HE WAS GOING TO PLANT ON OPTION TWO? >> DO WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PAGE WITH THE CONDITIONS, MAYBE? >> YES. >> THIS IS OPTION ONE. THIS IS OPTION TWO. ACTUALLY, THAT WOULD BE BEHIND IT. IT IS THE SAME TREES, THEY WILL PUT THE WALL BEHIND IT. >> WOULD THE VIEW BE DIFFERENT? YOU WILL SEE THE WALL, YOU WILL SEE THE TREES. >> YES. >> ONE COMMENT THAT I WOULD ADD, IT IS A GREAT USE OF THE SITE. WE NEED THIS TYPE OF CONSTRUCTION OUT THERE. IF MR. JOHNSON HAS A FEELING TO GO WITH OPTION ONE? I WOULD SUPPORT EITHER OPTION CANDIDLY. >> MADAME MAYOR, I CAN ECHO. I GET A LITTLE LEERY, WHEN WE ARE IN A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING AND THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS ON THE ACTUAL BUILDER OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT IS MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND MAKING CONCESSIONS TO NOT ONLY ADJUST FOR THE NAVIGATION OF TRAFFIC BASED ON THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT MIXING LARGE TRAILERS WITH PEOPLE IN SMALL CARS TRYING TO NAVIGATE IN AND OUT OF THIS SITE WITH SOMETHING THAT THEY FEEL AS THOUGH WOULD WORK BETTER FOR THEIR OPERATION, THEIR LIABILITIES, AND OBVIOUSLY, THE INSURANCE, ET CETERA. I NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE [01:45:09] MORE UNDERSTANDING. STAFF, WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. THEY CAME BACK AND SAID, WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND WE WANT TO FLIP IT AROUND AND MAKE THE ACCESS POINT HERE. WE THINK IT WOULD BE SAFER, I GUESS, TO MOVE TRUCKS THIS WAY AND NOT HAVE THEM COME IN THE SAME WAY WHERE THEY WOULD INTERACT WITH CARS OR HAVE A CHALLENGING SITUATION? >> THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED OPTION TWO. THAT IS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE ARCHITECTURE, THIS IS PART OF THE DESIGN REGULATIONS. AND THE IMPACT ON WHITE ROAD . THE OPTIONS ARE IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION HERE. WE DID NOT RECOMMEND OPTION TWO. WE DO NOT FEEL LIKE IT MEETS THE DESIGN REGULATIONS. I CANNOT SUPPORT OPTION TWO IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN REGULATIONS. I THINK WE ARE SETTING UP THE CITY TO RESPECT WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE AND THE CODE FOR THE DESIGN REGULATIONS, IT WAS OUR JOB TO INFORM THE APPLICANT THAT IT DID NOT MEET THE DESIGN REGULATIONS AND THE BETTER OPTION WOULD BE TO REVERSE THAT. I THINK COMMISSIONER JOHNSON HAS HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, THE OPERATION OF THE SITE IS WITH THE APPLICANT AND THERE ARE OPTIONS THERE AND THAT CONFLICT COULD BE RESOLVED. THE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC THAT WE ARE SEEING, IT IS A WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION. >> SURE. IF IT IS NOT A SHOPPING CENTER WHERE THERE ARE SMALL VEHICLES ON SMALL CARS GOING IN AND OUT AT THE SAME TIME AS YOU ARE GETTING DELIVERIES. THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION ON THAT. IF IT IS OPERATION, THEN WE ARE NOT GETTING THE PUBLIC VISITING THE SITE DURING THE OPERATION OF THE WAREHOUSE. THERE FOR, I BELIEVE THAT UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE CONFLICTS BETWEEN SMALLER VEHICLE TRAFFIC BETWEEN EMPLOYEES WOULD BE MITIGATED BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENTIAL TRIPS WITH THE EMPLOYEES VISITING MORNING, LATE NIGHT, OPENING AND CLOSING. THOSE WOULD BE REOCCURRING DURING THE DAY. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE OPPOSITE. RIGHT NOW, OPTION ONE, WHAT IS THE ACCESS POINT? IS THAT KINGS HIGHWAY? >> OFF KINGS AND GRAHAM. >> IT IS THE SAME, IT IS THE INTERNAL MOVEMENT. AND THE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS WITHIN THE SITE THAT THE APPLICANT BRINGS FORWARD IN TERMS OF IF TRUCK DRIVERS OR DELIVERIES ARE BEING TAKEN IN. >> THAT IS WHAT I MEAN. INTERNAL MOVEMENT OF TRUCKS GETTING INTO THE BAY TO LOAD AND UNLOAD. OPTION ONE, WALK ME THROUGH OPTION ONE, AGAIN. CLEARLY I KNOW WHAT OPTION TWO IS. JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> OPTION ONE, ACCESS IS THE SAME WAY. CAN WE SEE? YOU WOULD HAVE AGAIN, KINGS HIGHWAY, GRAHAM, AND WHITE ROAD. ACCESS EGRESS, KINGS HIGHWAY, WITH LIMITED TURN MOVEMENTS WITH RIGHT IN AND WRITE OUT. GRAHAM ROAD AND WHITE ROAD, TWO ACCESSES ON WHITE ROAD. AND YOU HAVE ONE REALLY ESSENTIAL ACCESS ON GRAHAM ROAD WHERE THE DELIVERY AREAS ARE. STAFF IS THINKING OF THIS TO CONSOLIDATE THE MAIN ACTIVITY OF THIS SITE INTERNAL TO THE SITE. TO ALLOW THE FRONTAGES ON THE LANDSCAPE OF THE BUILDING TO MAKE A MORE ATTRACTIVE STREET AND INCREASE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. THE REASONING FOR THAT IS THE DESIGN REGULATIONS OF THE CITY. [01:50:07] AS THE BUILDING FRONTS ONTO THE STREET, WITH ENCOURAGING SIDEWALKS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS AN INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL AREA. SIDEWALKS ENCOURAGE EMPLOYEES TO BIKE OR FOR OTHER FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION TO WALK, THEY'RE GOING TO WALK. BUT ALSO, TO ALLOW LANDSCAPING AND ARCHITECTURE TO BE SEEN AS ONE ELEMENT. >> OKAY. I THINK THE OPTIONS OF HAVING A WALL IN DEFENSE OF THE DESIGN IS VERY CONCERNING TO ME. I WOULD NOT SUPPORT SIX FOOT HIGH WALLS ON ANY DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN. IF WE ARE DEALING WITH THE DESIGN . >> THIS IS DESIGN ONE? >> THIS IS DESIGN ONE. IT INTRODUCES THE ELEVATION TO THE STREET. AND ENGAGES THE LANDSCAPE AND ALSO THE SIDEWALK AND IF WE MOVE ON, THEN THE WALL GOES DOWN THE BACK OF THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW REALLY WHAT THAT ACHIEVES, IN TERMS OF THE APPEARANCE OF THAT. >> IT COULD CAUSE SOME CLEAR VISION PROBLEMS. >> OKAY. >> WITH DRIVERS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> OKAY, I JUST SAT HERE AND LISTENED TO QUESTIONS ABOUT TURNING IT IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY. AND OFF OF KINGS, OFF OF GRAHAM. THE TENANT OF THE PROPERTY IS REQUESTING THAT TRAFFIC COME OFF OF WHITE ROAD TO BE BETTER FOR HIS OPERATION. I HAVE HEARD QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC ON WHITE ROAD . I KNOW, IF I CAN REMEMBER RIGHT, ISN'T THIS RESIDENT HOUSING OR SOMETHING? I'M TIRED RIGHT NOW. >> RIGHT. >> WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS THERE OFF OF GRAHAM. HE DOES NOT WANT TO GO GRAHAM, HE WANTS TO GET AWAY FROM THE RESIDENT OPTION. CREATING A NEW ROAD AND WE ARE SAYING THAT THE PLANNING BOARD IS NOT APPROVING THAT, NOT BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC, BUT BECAUSE OF A WALL. WE DO NOT WANT A WALL THERE. >> THE PLANNING BOARD HAS PRESENTED THAT. YES. >> I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. I'M GOOD. NOT THE PLANNING BOARD. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE LOOKS OF THE WALL FACING THE ROAD. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT -- THAT IS CORRECT. TALKING ABOUT THE WIDER ISSUE OF THE DESIGN REGULATION WITHIN THE CITY CODE. >> IS THERE SOMETHING, THAT THE DEVELOPER OR THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY CAN DO WITH THE REQUESTED OPTION TWO TO SATISFY WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. >> THE ELEVATION ESSENTIALLY BEING THE LOADING DOORS ON THE LOADING BAYS. IF WE DIRECTED THE APPLICANT TO IMPOSE THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN LOCATIONS ON THE LOADING BAY AREA, THAT WOULD BE CAUSING COST ISSUES FOR THE APPLICANT. THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IS TO SIMPLIFY THAT AND JUST PUT A WALL UP. >> I UNDERSTAND THEM. IF WE OFFER THEM THE OPPORTUNITIES TO DECIDE IF IT IS COST EFFECTIVE OR NOT. IF WE DO THAT, THIS IS WHAT YOU NEEDED TO DO. HE CAME BACK WITH JUST A WALL. >> THE APPLICANT CAME BACK INITIALLY WITH OPTION ONE. AGREEING WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS. THEN INTRODUCED A SOLUTION OF OPTION TWO TO SUGGEST THAT. THERE IS NO DISCUSSION WITH STAFF ABOUT [01:55:06] OPTION TWO. AFTER WE RECOMMENDED OPTION ONE. IT WAS PULLED FORWARD. THE APPLICANT REQUESTED THAT IT BE REQUESTED BY THE PLANNING BOARD. THEY REQUESTED OPTION ONE BEING THE BETTER SOLUTION. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE WITH THE SITUATION NOW. >> I ASKED THE QUESTION. OKAY. >> ONE MORE COMMENT IF I COULD. FOR ME, COMMISSIONERS, IT IS EVALUATING THE HOLISTIC APPROACH TO KINGS HIGHWAY. WE APPROVED 600 UNITS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH, I'M NOT SURE THE RELATIONSHIP PROXIMITY WITHIN A HALF-MILE. WE HAVE FOLKS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO WORK WITHIN PROXIMITY TO THIS LOCATION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PARCELS TO THE SOUTH OF THIS COMPLEX ARE ZONED WITH THE USE PROCESS. MY POINT IS, I WANT TO SEE THE BEAUTIFIED FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY FACING OTHER PARCELS RATHER THAN THE OPERATION SIDE. THAT IS WHERE I'M COMING FROM FROM THE CODES PERSPECTIVE AND AESTHETIC VALUE FROM THE CODES COMMUNITY. THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO HAVE THE EXACT SAME OPERATION AND SQUARE FOOTAGE WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LOGISTICS WITHIN THE PROPERTY. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION IF YOU ARE READY. >> WE MIGHT BE READY, COMMISSIONER. I UNDERSTAND AESTHETIC AND BEAUTY. WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THAT IS MY HOLDUP. WE ARE ADDING MORE TRAFFIC TO KINGS HIGHWAY. WE JUST APPROVED, AS YOU SAID, THE OTHER BUILDINGS ON KINGS HIGHWAY. CURTIS JOHNSON SAID ABOUT THE BACKUP OF TRAFFIC GOING INTO THIS SPOT. SITTING HERE TONIGHT, THESE ARE TRUCKS COMING IN. THESE ARE NOT CARS COMING IN. THESE ARE TRUCKS COMING IN. FOR TRUCKS ON KINGS HIGHWAY. IF WE CAN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC WITH ALL THESE BUILDINGS AND CONSTRUCTION ON KINGS HIGHWAY, IF WE CAN GET TRUCKS TO COME IN AND USE ANOTHER TURN IN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT, TRUCKS ON KINGS HIGHWAY, YES, IT IS FOUR LANES NOW? I'M TRYING TO PITCH THE RIGHT AREA. THERE ARE STILL SOME LEFT TURNS AND RIGHT TURNS OFF OF THAT COMING IN AND OUT. TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT OF KINGS HIGHWAY. AND SO, THAT IS MY CONCERN. I PUT IT ON THE RECORD. I'M READY TO VOTE. WE ARE THE DEVELOPERS SAY, WHY HE THOUGHT IT WAS BETTER AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE. >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. BASED ON COMMISSIONER GAINES, WHITE ROAD WOULD STILL BE APPROVED IN OPTION ONE AND OPTION TWO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. THE TRUCKS CAN STILL TURN RIGHT AND THEN LEFT INTO THIS COMPLEX. IT IS THE WAY THAT THE BUILDING IS FACING AS FAR AS HOW THEY GET IN, THAT WAS MY MOMENT. OKAY, FLIPPING THE BUILDING AROUND WITH THE ROAD THAT FACES OUT. WHAT WILL HELP, IF YOU PUT THE ARCHITECTURE DESIGN UP OF WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE. THAT WILL CLARIFY SOME THINGS. THERE WAS A PICTURE, I SAW THE RENDERING. WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE, BASICALLY, WE WANT THIS FACING OUTWARD WHEN PEOPLE PASS BY. AND SO, NO MATTER WHICH WAY THE TRUCKS TURN, TO GET IN THERE, THEY WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE AROUND IN THERE. WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THOSE ROADS, THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL SEE. WHAT THEY WERE PROPOSING WAS TO FLIP IT AROUND AND TRY TO COVER WHAT WE KNOW AS THE BAY AREA WHERE TRUCKS TRY TO UNLOAD. THEY WILL MASK THAT WAS A WALL AND SOME TREES. I'M PRETTY CLEAR NOW. THANK YOU FOR WALKING ME THROUGH. I WAS FLIPPED AROUND UNTIL I GOT THIS IN MY HEAD. YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THIS PART? OKAY. JUST SO THAT I AM CLEAR. THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES, ON GRAHAM AT JENKINS, THIS IS AT A 400 UNIT DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE. DOWN THE STREET ON THE LEFT SIDE OF KINGS HIGHWAY. THAT IS THE FACILITY THAT IS CLEARED AND THEY ARE DOING SITE IMPROVEMENTS THEY ARE NOW. [02:00:07] THERE IS ACTIVITY ALL OVER. I SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUT THERE AND KINGS HIGHWAY IS NOT A TAX ROAD. IT IS NOT BEING UTILIZED TO ITS MAXIMUM CAPACITY. BY MY PREFERENCES, I DO NOT WANT TRAFFIC TRAILERS COMING OFF OF JENKINS TO GRAHAM TO ACCESS THIS SITE. I WANT THEM COMING DOWN ON KINGS HIGHWAY WHICH IS THE NATURAL WAY TO GO TO ACCESS THE SITE THROUGH WHITE, GRAHAM, OR SOUTH KINGS HIGHWAY. ONE OF THOSE ACCESS POINTS. I WILL CONCEDE TO THE PERSPECTIVE ON THIS AND I AM GOOD WITH THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE BETTER SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS STATICALLY PLACING THE ROOM. SIMPLE AS THAT. THAT ADDRESSES THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE DESIGN PARAMETERS AND WE WILL STICK TO THEM OR WE WILL NOT. MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL BE CROSSING THIS HURDLE CONSISTENTLY. >> READY FOR A MOTION? >> I MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS SITE PLAN. OPTION ONE WITH FOUR STAFF CONDITIONS. >> I SECOND THAT. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. [c. Quasi-Judiical Hearing - Review and approval of an application for a Conditional Use No New Construction by applicant Bryan Arruda, to operate Play Money Family Fun Center located at 2765 Peters Road, more specifically at Parcel ID: 2324-311-0005-000-1, bay #s 22-28.] ANOTHERQUASI-JUDIICAL HEARING - REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE NO NEW CONSTRUCTION BY APPLICANT BRYAN ARRUDA, TO OPERATE PLAY MONEY FAMILY FUN CENTER LOCATED AT 2765 PETERS ROAD, MORE SPECIFICALLY LOCATED AT 127 PETERS ROAD. ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM HAS BEEN MET. >> CAN YOU ASK THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT COMMUNICATIONS? THE WITNESSES? >> ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE FULL TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING, MADAME MAYOR, TODAY, WE HAVE AN APPLICATION FOR NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR PLAY MONEY FAMILY FUN CENTER LOCATED AT 2765 PETERS ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF CROSSROADS PLAZA LLC. 232-431-1005 -001. NO NEW APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW PROPOSING TO OPERATE PLAY MONEY FAMILY FUN CENTER AT 2765 PETERS ROAD. 22-28. THE PROPERTY IS IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND HAS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL. WE ARE SET ON FREE PLAY, NO COINS OR CARDS, UNLIMITED PLAY ACCESS TO GAMES, SUCH AS PINBALL AND SPEEDBALL. WITH A BACKGROUND ON CONDITIONER USE, WORDING TO THE CITY -- THE PURPOSE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESSES TO ALLOW, WHEN DESIRABLE, USES THAT WOULD NOT BE APPROPRIATE, GENERALLY OR WITHOUT RESTRICTION ACROSS THE ZONING DISTRICT ONE CONTROLLED TO THE MEMBER AREA, LOCATION NEAR THE AREA, NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE PUBLIC HEALTH, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE. HERE IS A SITE LOCATION OF THE CROSSROADS PLAZA. THE SITE AREA HAS APPROXIMATELY 18.61 ACRES. THE LAYOUT OF THE EXISTING BUSINESSES THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN THE PLAZA. THE LOCATION OF THE BUSINESS WITHIN THE PLAZA [02:05:07] BAY NUMBERS 22 THROUGH 28. WITH APPROXIMATELY 13,600 SQUARE FEET. THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED. THE EXISTING PLAN SHOWING THE ILLUMINATION THROUGH EVENING HOURS. PARKING SPACES LOCATED WITHIN THE BAY'S PROVIDING A FIVE FOOT CAMPUS. HERE IS THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO SHOW THE LAYOUT OF THE PLAZA. AND AGAIN, A COLOR-CODED FLOOR PLAN OF THE INSIDE OF THE BAY. I HAVE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CONCERNS REGARDING THE SIGNS BEING POSTED ON THE LOCATION AS WELL AS THE TENT ON THE WINDOWS. HERE ARE SOME PICTURES THAT WERE TAKEN FROM THE EXISTING LOCATION IN A NEIGHBORING COUNTY. JUST TO GIVE INSIGHT INTO WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, THERE ARE EIGHT. ONE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL BE LIMITED BETWEEN 8:00 A.M. AND MIDNIGHT MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY AND 8:00 A.M. TO 2:00 A.M. ON WEEKENDS. OPERATING IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL STATE AND FEDERAL LAW. NUMBER THREE, ALL ENTRANCES WILL BE ADEQUATELY LIGHTED. PROVIDING 10 BICYCLE RACKS. FIVE, FAMILY FUN CENTER WILL PROVIDE PUBLIC RESTROOMS IN ACCORDANCE WITH APPLICABLE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER SIX, AND HE PROPOSED EXTERIOR CHANGE TO THE FAMILY FUN CENTER WILL BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY DESIGN REVIEW GUIDELINES. ANY SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE LAYOUT AND OPERATING PLAN OF THE FAMILY FUN CENTER WILL REQUIRE A REVISION OF CONDITIONAL USE. THE PROVISION OF CATERING SERVICES MUST BE LICENSED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, OR DEPARTMENT OF BUSINESS PROFESSIONALS REGULATION FOR DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES. STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE USE APPLICATION WITH THE EIGHT LISTED CONDITIONS. ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE TO APPROVE THE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND THIS APPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> WAS THERE A SCHOOL? CAN YOU GO BACK? >> THERE IS A SCHOOL THAT IS LOCATED ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PLAZA. >> AND THIS PARTICULAR BUSINESS WOULD BE SERVING ALCOHOL? >> THAT IS CORRECT. ONCE THEY SUBMIT THEIR PERMIT LICENSE. >> HOW FARAWAY IS THAT? >> IT IS IN THE SAME PLAZA. ON THE BACK OF IT. NOT SURE WHERE EXACTLY THE SCHOOL IS LOCATED. IT IS IN THE SAME CROSSROADS PLAZA. MAYBE THE APPLICANT CAN PROVIDE MORE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THIS USE REVISION FALLS UNDER THE RECENTLY ADOPTED MODIFICATIONS OF THIS WHOLE SCHEME? >> YES. >> WE ARE WORKING ON THE DEFINITIONS WHICH WILL COME [02:10:03] FORWARD. THIS IS ACCELERATED BEFORE THOSE. IF THE COMMISSION RECALLED, THIS DISCUSSION WAS HELD REGARDING A LOCATION DOWNTOWN. THAT IS WHEN WE FOUND THE STATE REGULATIONS FOR THE GAMBLING MACHINES DO EXEMPT SOME OF THE USES LIKE SKI BALL, PINBALL, AND OTHER SKILL BASED GAME ACTIVITIES. YOU WILL SEE THE SAME SORT OF GAMES AND ACTIVITIES AT DAVE AND BUSTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHICH ALSO SERVE FOOD AND MAYBE BEVERAGES. SIMILAR TO THAT SORT OF USE. AT THE MOMENT, THE CITY USES DO NOT FIT THIS TYPE OF USE. WE ARE WORKING ON ARRANGING THE DEFINITIONS AND THE YOU STABLE TO DETERMINE WHERE THESE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE. ESSENTIALLY, IT IS THE SAME OPERATION. JUST PROPOSING TO GO DOWNTOWN. IT IS MORE RESTRICTIVE DOWNTOWN. THERE ARE MORE REGULATIONS BECAUSE OF THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE THAT ALLOWS DISCUSSION WITH THE CONDITION OF THE OPERATION FOR THE STATE REGULATIONS WITH THEM. MAYBE THAT IS HOW WE WILL REFER TO THESE MOVING FORWARD? >> YES. >> I THINK THE INCLINATION AT THE TIME WAS TO APPROVE THIS FOR DOWNTOWN. WITH CONGREGATING DIFFERENT TYPES OF ACTIVITIES. WE WILL HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESIDENTIAL BACKUP IN THAT AREA. A WHOLE DIFFERENT ENTERTAINMENT VENUE AVAILABLE TO THOSE RESIDENTS OUT ON WEST FORT PIERCE. NOT TRYING TO HANG A NAME ON THAT. >> WEST ORANGE OR WHATEVER THEY ARE TRYING TO DEVELOP. SAME SCENARIO OF DENSE RESIDENTIAL, ENTERTAINMENT, AND EATING ESTABLISHMENTS. IT KIND OF CHECKS ALL OF THE BOXES FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT, FOOD, ET CETERA. THAT IS A GREAT USE OUT THERE. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> I NEED TO BE CLEAR. I GET ENOUGH EMAILS ABOUT THESE TYPES OF GAMING CENTERS. LET'S BE CLEAR, IN THIS HEARING, BUT I'M LOOKING AT AND WHAT I READ, IS WHAT I WILL CALL THE OLD GAME ROOM TYPE SITUATION WHERE I WILL NOT SAY WHAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON DID. WHEN WE PLAYED SKI BALL AND PINBALL AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THIS IS WHAT IT IS. I WILL USE YOUR TERM DIRECT. DAVE AND BUSTERS, MAYBE NOT ON THAT SKILL. SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOUR PARENTS SOMEWHERE THEY CAN TAKE THEIR KIDS TO HAVE ENTERTAINMENT INSIDE OF FORT PIERCE AND GO. MADAME MAYOR, I UNDERSTAND, WITH THE SCHOOL SITUATION AND SERVING ALCOHOL, AS A COACH, TAKING SOME KIDS TO A GAME ROOM, YOU MIGHT BE OKAY FOR SOME PARENTS TO GO HAVE -- >> JUST LIKE SUPER PLAY. EXACTLY. >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. I LIKE THE IDEA. IT KEEPS THE YOUTH, FOR NOW, THAT ARE TRAVELING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD, TO GO TO SUPER PLAY OR TO THE NEW DAVE AND BUSTERS, WE KEEP IT BACK IN FORT PIERCE, FOR THE PEOPLE AT DAVE AND BUSTERS AND THAT SUPER PLAY, DO NOT EMAIL ME. I AM JUST TALKING ABOUT THE YOUTH OF FORT PIERCE STAYING IN FORT PIERCE. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. ANOTHER ONE WE HAD TO GO SHUT DOWN, THEY WERE DOING THOSE THINGS THAT THE STATE DID NOT WANT US TO DO. THAT'S CORRECT. >> SPEND THE MONEY HERE. >> CORRECT. >> ON THE LIGHTING PLAN, YOU SHOWED A FOOT CANDLE MAP AND SO, WHERE IS THIS LOCATED IN RELATION TO THE ENTRANCE? >> GOOD QUESTION. I BELIEVE THAT THE BASE IS LOCATED HERE. YES. LOCATED ON THE RIGHT SIDE [02:15:12] OF WHERE MY ARROW IS. >> I WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT. I WANT TO ASK A FEW MORE QUESTIONS IF I HAVE INPUT ON WHAT THE NUMBERS IN GREEN SAY. IF IT'S OVER TOWARDS THE ARROW. OR WHATEVER LOCATION. I THOUGHT IT SAID ZERO. IT'S NOT SHOWING WITH THE LIGHTING CONFIGURATION. I WANT TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS IS IN THE PARKING LOT ON THE OVERALL SITE PLAN. YOU WANTED MOSTLY NEAR THE DOORS AND NOT ON THE OUTSKIRTS? >> CORRECT. I DO BELIEVE THAT THE BAYS ARE WELL ILLUMINATED AND THIS WILL SHOWCASE WHAT THE PARKING LOT WILL LOOK LIKE. IF IT IS A MATTER OF QUESTION OF HOW THERE IS MORE ILLUMINATION REQUIRED OR SUGGESTED, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK ON. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? WITH THE APPLICANT PLEASE COME FORWARD? >> HELLO. I AM JEN SPEARMAN AND I AM REPRESENTING BRIAN AND PLAY MONEY. I AM THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS FILED. >> WHAT IS YOUR LAST NAME? >> SPEARMAN. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> NO, WHEN WE FIRST WERE LOOKING IN THE DOWNTOWN SPACE, WE REALLY WANTED TO BE THERE. WE COULD NOT GET THE LEASE PUT TOGETHER. RIGHT NOW, I AM LOOKING FOR A SMALLER SPOT FOR THEM TO BE DOWN THERE. JUST SO THAT THEY CAN BE A BIGGER PART OF THE COMMUNITY. I WAS THERE, YESTERDAY, FOR MY 40TH BIRTHDAY. YES, I HAD SOME WINE AND ALL OF US PLAYED. I THINK THIS WILL BE GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE LIGHTING THERE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS FROM TESLA. YOU HAVE THOSE CHARGING STATIONS THERE. SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE SOMETHING TO DO IN THIS PLAZA, ALSO, IF THEY ARE CHARGING THEIR CARS. I CANNOT SAY ENOUGH ABOUT HOW WONDERFUL THIS BUSINESS IS. I WOULD JUST REALLY LOVE TO SEE IT HERE. I THINK THAT IT COULD REALLY WORK. I THINK THE OWNER IS A LITTLE MORE TECHNICAL. THIS IS A NEW SHINY PLACE FOR IT. >> I THINK SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS THEY CAN ASK YOU. IF THE OWNER NEEDS TO BE MARRED TECHNICAL, YOU CAN CALL IN MORE RESOURCES. >> MINE IS SPECIFIC TO LIGHTING. WE HAVE ACTIVITIES. USES THAT GO INTO THE NIGHT HOURS, I SAW. MIDNIGHT? 2:00 A.M.? >> THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE 1:00 A.M. ON THE WEEKENDS. >> THIS PLAN SHOWS ZERO. WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE LIGHTING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAZA LOOK LIKE TODAY, CONFIRM THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE LIGHTING FOR PEDESTRIANS FROM THEIR CARS TO THE FRONT DOOR. >> YES. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST TIME THAT THE PLAZA IS FULLY OCCUPIED SINCE THE 90S. YES. IT WILL BE WELL LIT. THIS IS WHAT I COULD FIND, AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, FOLLOWING THE STEPS OF CONDITIONAL USE FOR THIS, WE WILL NEED TO RAISE THE BAR FROM TESLA. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS PART OF THE CHECKLIST YOU HAD IN YOUR APPLICATION PACKET. HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE OF THE PUBLIC. HAVING SOMETHING ATTRACTIVE AND NICE MAKING SURE IT IS THERE AND WELL LIT. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED? >> GOOD EVENING, MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER ALL NEXIS PARK. I'VE OWNED THAT PROPERTY FOR 20 YEARS. WE BOUGHT IT FROM A BLIGHTED NEIGHBORHOOD UP TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, I COMMEND EVERYBODY HERE FOR WHAT THEY DID. WE ARE CREATING A LIVE, WORK, PLAY ENVIRONMENT. LISTEN TO THE WORK PART. 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF EMPTY WAREHOUSES OUT THERE. WHICH I AM GLAD TO REPORT BECAUSE I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE RESEARCH CARDINAL ASSOCIATION. THE [02:20:05] ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, ET CETERA. I'M PROUD TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE TWO THIRDS OF THAT SPACE OUT IN PROPOSALS AND LEASES SIGNED. ON 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET. I FIND IT AMAZING. SHOWS THAT COMPANIES WANT TO LOCATE HERE. WE ARE A VERY GOOD DISTRIBUTION HUB AND THAT IS EXCELLENT. OBVIOUSLY, I JUST TALKED ABOUT 1000 NEW HOUSING UNITS GOING UP IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS GREAT. NOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PLAY STUFF, PEOPLE WILL GO ELSEWHERE. WHY DO I WANT TO LIVE THERE IF I CAN'T GO SHOPPING? WE ARE BRINGING IN THE SUPERMARKET TO THE PROPERTY. 25,000 SQUARE FEET OPEN IN ABOUT 30 DAYS. NOW WE COME TO PLAY MONEY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE LIGHTING. I KNOW THAT WAS A QUESTION. THAT WAS OFF OF THE TESLA APPROVAL. 40 TESLA SUPER CHARGING STATIONS GOING INTO THE PROPERTY. 40 CHARGING STATIONS. THEY DID NOT SHOW THE WHOLE SECTOR. WE HAVE IT ON FILE SOMEWHERE IN THE CITY. WE WERE TALKING WITH PUBLIX ONE TIME OUT THERE. A MINIMUM OF TWO FOOT AND FIVE FOOTCANDLES WHEN YOU GET CLOSER TO THE BUILDING. EVERYTHING IS CHANGED TO L.E.D. LIGHTING 10 YEARS AGO. HIGH POLES, OF THE INTERSECTION THERE. SECURITY IS NUMBER ONE TO US. 14 CAMERAS AROUND THE SITE. WE HAVE THE PLACE LIT UP LIKE NO TOMORROW BECAUSE WE DO NOT WANT PROBLEMS. I SPOKE TODAY WITH THE DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE HERE, WE ARE ALREADY WORKING ON PLANS BECAUSE I USED ALSO BE INVOLVED WITH ORANGE BLOSSOM MALL YEARS AGO. IT TOTALLY WENT UNDER AND WHY DID PEOPLE NOT WANT TO GO THERE? FORGET ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF FORT PIERCE, IT WAS NOT A SAFE PLACE. WHEN PEOPLE GO THERE THE FIRST TIME AND THEY HAVE TO FEEL COMFORTABLE AND THEY WILL COME BACK A SECOND TIME. IF THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE, THEY WILL NOT COME BACK. THE POLICE ARE TRYING TO RUN THE GANGS OUT OF THERE. WE DO NOT WANT THIS TO BE A PLACE WHERE GANGS HANGOUT. THIS IS A FAMILY PLACE. A SMALLER DAVE AND BUSTERS. 30,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS 13,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS IS WORK AND PLAY. WE CARE ABOUT THE SECURITY THAT WE HAVE THERE. ON THE USE AGREEMENT THAT WAS APPROVED, LET ME GET OVER TO THAT PART NOW. THERE WERE THREE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING THAT WAS NOT IN THIS. I DID NOT HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT. FROM THIS MEETING TO TALK WITH STAFF. THREE THINGS, THEY ARE MINOR THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADD. WE TALK ABOUT BICYCLE RACKS. 10 STALLS OR TEND PARKING SPOTS. I WOULD HAVE 10 RACKS. IT WAS THE WRONG WORDS TO USE. IT WAS BICYCLE PARKING SPACES. 10 BICYCLE PARKING SPACES. THE TINTED WINDOWS, NOT ADDRESSED HERE. MAKING SURE THAT THIS FACES EAST, THEY GET THE SUN COMING IN ALL MORNING. PAC-MAN, BUGS BUNNY, THINGS LIKE THAT. HAPPY THINGS. WE DO HAVE A CROWD STORE THAT HAS BEEN THERE FOR A YEAR. BEAUTIFUL COMIC BOOK STUFF UP THERE. KIDS WILL COME TO THE COMIC BOOK PLACE, THEY WILL COME HERE, CHARGE THE CARS, GO GET FOOD, AND THE LAST ONE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT FEES PER MACHINE. OKAY. BEYOND THAT, I AM HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. I HOPE TO BRING YOU A LOT MORE FUN STUFF. >> QUESTIONS? >> NO MA'AM. THANK SO MUCH FOR THE MARKETING YOU ARE DOING HERE IN WEST FORT PIERCE. THIS IS THE EDGE OF DISTRICT ONE THAT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY OUT HERE. WE ARE DELIGHTED TO SEE THE GROWTH. FUN THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO DO. WE ARE EXCITED FOR DIFFERENT BUSINESSES COMING TO SERVICE THIS AREA. I'M DELIGHTED TO SEE THE GROWTH. I'M GLAD YOU ADDRESSED THE [02:25:01] SAFETY CONCERN. YOU ON THE ENTIRE PLAZA, CORRECT? DO YOU HAVE SECURITY BESIDE CAMERAS? YOU HAVE ACTIVE SECURITY PERSONNEL THAT MAN'S YOUR FACILITY? >> WE DO NOT. DURING THE DAY, MY OFFICE IS ON SITE. GOLF CARTS ARE DRIVING AROUND ALL DAY. SECURITY CAMERAS REALLY IS IT. IT IS HARD TO PATROL. >> I UNDERSTAND. THAT IS A QUESTION I WANTED TO BRING UP. I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS ON HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT INVOLVED. WE HAVE A VERY HIGH CALL VOLUME CITY TODAY. MY CONCERN, MAKING SURE THAT YOU ENSURE SAFETY LIKE YOU SAID. THAT MAY MEAN THAT. YOU HAVE A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. YOU HAVE A GROCERY STORE. ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF COMING IN. AS WE LOOK TO EXPAND AND HAVE MORE FOOT TRAFFIC. MAYBE THAT IS A CONSIDERATION. YOU WANT TO LOOK AT SOMETHING PRIVATE TO WORK WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE THAT DETERRENT WHICH CAN ALSO BE AN EARLY ALARM SYSTEM . WITH THOSE CAMERAS, I AM ASSUMING THAT THEY ARE MONITORED CAMERAS? >> MONITORED AND RECORDED. >> VERY WELL. >> WE ALSO HAVE A SUBSTATION THAT IS COMING TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE WORKING ON A SUBSTATION OUT OF INDIAN RIVER COLLEGE RIGHT NOW TO GET THE APPROVALS. THEY WANT TO COME TO MY PROPERTY BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE FOR THAT. >> QUESTION, WILL THERE BE PRIZES AWARDED FOR THE TOP PERFORMANCES? YOU JUST HAVE YOUR NAME IN LIGHTS? I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE REWARD HERE. I PAY MY MONEY, I PLAY PINBALL AND THE REWARD IS IF I GET A HIGH SCORE MY INITIALS GO UP THERE? >> YOU WALK OUT WITH ZERO DOLLARS. NO STUFFED ANIMALS? >> NO. THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF OPERATION. YOU ARE PAYING $20 AND YOU PLAY ALL DAY. >> THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE. $20, YOU HAVE FUN, GET YOURSELF SOMETHING TO EAT, IF YOU ARE AN ADULT, ARE YOU HAVING BEER AND WINE OR A FULL BAR? >> BEER AND WINE. >> THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> THE PROPERTY OWNER ENTITY AND ALL THAT, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED? >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS SECURITY. THE POLICE BEING THERE, HAVING MY BACK. IF I HAVE SECURITY, I HAVE A LOT T O MONEY AT STAKE THERE. I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THE PLACE IS SECURE. THAT IS MY ONLY CONCERN. THE PLACE IS WELL LIT. I DON'T THINK MANY PEOPLE WILL BE TAKING BICYCLES HERE. WE ARE BICYCLE RACKS. >> 10 SPOTS. >> I THINK IT IS A GREAT USE, IT WILL BE A BIG PLUS. ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS QUEUED UP TO BE OUT THERE. YOU'LL HAVE A GOOD PORTION OF THAT WITH THE SERVICES IN YOUR CENTER. >> YOU SAW ME PUT IN THE ELECTRONICS, WE HAVE A MISHMASH OF USES. IN THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE ARE CHANGING IT TO RETAIL. WE BELIEVE IT WOULD BE A GREAT RETAIL CENTER. IT USED TO BE AN OUTLET MALL. IT WOULD HAVE SUCCEEDED IF THEY GOT THE LAND BEHIND AND EXPANDED IT BESIDES GOING UP THERE AND BUILDING SOMETHING THREE TIMES LARGER. IT WAS A GOOD RETAIL AT THAT TIME. NOW THE HOUSING IS COMING AND THE BUSINESSES. >> WILL HAVE A LOT OF DENSITY OUT THERE. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. I APPLAUD YOU FOR SHIFTING YOUR MARKETING PLAN TO RETAIL. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ONE QUICK QUESTION OF SOMETHING YOU BROUGHT UP. ANY CONCERNS FROM THE SCHOOL THERE? WE KNOW THE SCHOOL IS ALREADY BUILT. ANY CONCERNS FROM THE SCHOOL THAT YOU ARE PUTTING THE ARCADE THERE? >> IT IS A NEW SCHOOL. THE SAME PEOPLE OVER AT ORANGE BLOSSOM LEARNING ACADEMY. THIS IS KINDERGARTEN THROUGH THIRD. THIS IS A PICKUP LINE FOR THE BUILDING, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERN. I THINK THAT PEOPLE [02:30:04] WHO DRINK ARE NOT DRINKING AT NOON TIME. MAYBE THEY START DRINKING. AT THE ARCADE, IT'S NOT REALLY A BAR. >> YOU WILL HAVE A SUPERMARKET THERE TOO. >> YOU CAN PULL UP YOUR CAR AND CHARGE IT. LET ME GO TO THE GROCERY STORE. >> THEY HAVE GOOD AT BRAVO. I WILL BE EATING THERE. >> THE FOOD IS GOOD. YES. THANK YOU. >> THAT IS A GOOD RECOMMENDATION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYONE ELSE WISING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE WILL DOES THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. IS THERE A DISCUSSION OR EMOTION? >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> A MOTION IN A SECOND, CALLED THE ROLL PLEASE. >> EDA CONDITIONS FOR STAFF. >> 10 BICYCLE SPOTS, NOT RACKS. >> 10 BICYCLE SPOTS. >> YES. [d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 24-021 - An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida; Amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of one (1) parcel generally located at or near 515 South 2nd Street, from City of Fort Pierce (OP) Offices-Professional and Business Services to City of Fort Pierce (CBD) Central Business District; providing for a severability clause; providing for repeal of ordinances or parts thereof in conflict herewith; and providing for an effective date. Subject Parcel: 2410-810-0002-000-6. - FIRST READING] >> NEXT, WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE HEARING - ORDINANCE 24-021 - AN ORDINANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA; AMENDING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION OF ONE (1) PARCEL GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR 515 SOUTH 2ND STREET, FROM CITY OF FORT PIERCE (OP) OFFICES-PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES TO CITY OF FORT PIERCE (CBD) CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT; PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF IN CONFLICT HEREWITH; AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT FOR THE PROPERTY 515 SOUTH SECOND STREET 24-10-810-002-000-6. FOR THE SUBJECT PARCEL I.D. LISTED. THE REQUEST FOR THIS APPLICATION AS A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT TO CHANGE THE DESIGNATION FROM OFFICES PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES TO CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. SIGH LOCATION IS 0.49 ACRES AND ALL AFFECTED DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THE MAP AMENDMENT WITH THE AMENDMENT CITY PLAN. RECOMMENDING THE APPROVAL AT THE SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2023 MEETING. THIS IS A MAP SHOWING THE EXISTING AND THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE AND FUTURE ZONING, AS YOU CAN SEE, SURROUNDED BY OP FOR FUTURE LAND USE AND CBD FOR FUTURE LAND USE AS WELL AS RM AND THE SUBJECT SITE IS THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ZONING. ONLY HERE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT. THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE COMPARISON. CHANGING FROM OP TO CBD. WILL ALLOW FOR AN ADDITIONAL MAXIMUM UNITS. SIX ADDITIONAL UNITS. THE COMMERCIAL SPACE WILL BE 42,688.8 SQUARE FEET. STAFF RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COMMISSION RECOGNIZE THE SUBJECT SITE PARCEL ADJACENT TO FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATIONS IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT WITH SECTION 125 OF THE CITY CODE PLAN. IT DOES NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE. POSSIBLE ACTIONS ARE TO APPROVE OR APPROVE WITH CHANGES OR DISAPPROVE. THANK YOU. >> DO YOU KNOW WHY THE CHANGE AND WHAT THE APPLICANT PLANS TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY? >> CURRENTLY I AM NOT AWARE. THERE WAS AN APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT. THAT HAS BEEN PAUSED. AS OF RIGHT NOW. WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT IT. >> AND THE APPLICATION IT SAYS THAT IT IS ALREADY ON FILE. >> THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN [02:35:06] PLACED ON HOLD. >> LET ME JUST EXPLAIN. THIS IS PART OF PUTTING UP THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP A MOMENT. WHEN WE GET APPLICATIONS COMING FORWARD, WE HAVE A MOVEMENT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE WITHIN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. THE LINK THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS TO EXTEND THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AS A WHOLE WESTWOOD TOWARDS U.S. 1. WE DISCUSS WITH THEM, CAN WE INCLUDE YOUR PROPERTY IN THIS MOVEMENT TO GET EVERYTHING IN THIS BLOCK INTO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT? >> WAS A COINCIDENCE THAT WE HAD THE APPLICATION COME IN. WE DO HAVE ON FILE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WHICH HAS NOT BEEN RESOLVED. THERE ARE ISSUES WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT IS ONGOING ON HOLD AT THE MINUTE. IT IS NOT BASED ON ANYTHING MOVING FORWARD ON THAT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE NEIGHBORS HERE SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THAT AND IT WILL BE COMING THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION, IF AND WHEN IT COMES FORWARD. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY TO BEGIN THE MOVEMENT TO CONSOLIDATE THIS AREA AS A CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL AND C-1 ZONING DISTRICTS DO NOT JELL WITH THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. VERY RESTRICTIVE AS RESIDENTIAL USES. WHAT WE WANT TO SUPPORT IS THE RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY FOR THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS AREA. >> THE PLANNING CONCEPT FROM MY DEPARTMENT IS TO LOOK AT THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT. >> THAT WILL FACILITATE THAT, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? >> MIGHT I ADD THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY INDUSTRIAL. IT IS THREE OR FOUR STORIES TALL. THIS IS A THREE OR FOUR STORY STRUCTURE AS WELL. IT DOES NOT MATCH THE AREA. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> LOOKING AT THE PROPOSAL, WE ARE ON THE APPLICATION HERE TONIGHT? IN THE RECOMMENDATIONS , I READ THROUGH THE WHOLE PLANNING BOARD, FOR THE PACKET LOOKING AT SOME OF THE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THAT WERE THERE TALKING ABOUT SITE PLANS IN THIS APPLICATION, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WILL CREATE A SITUATION WHERE THE APPLICANT OR PROPERTY OWNERS WILL MAKE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS OR IS THAT TO BE DETERMINED AS THE SITE PLAN COMES THROUGH? >> THAT WILL BE PART OF THE SITE PLAN. WITH ANY PROPERTY THAT HAS INFRASTRUCTURE IMPLICATIONS DEPENDING ON THE USE OR THE ACTIVITIES IN THE FUTURE. [02:41:41] A HOLISTIC. HAVE WE HEARD THAT WORD TODAY, HOLISTIC. ONE OF THE INTERNAL QUESTIONS WE HAVE IN THE DEPARTMENT IS LET'S A LAT COME FORWARD ON THIS BUT THAT IS YET TO BE FULLY SETTLED AND DISCUSSED. >> THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE. >> CHRIS ORANTINE, PUTTING ON THE FLU MAP AMENDMENT AND NOT OUR PD APPLICATION WHICH IS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM. AND THAT MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. WE WERE APPROVED SEPTEMBER 11TH AND HAVE BEEN WAITING TO MOVE FORWARD. A LOT OF TIME HAS COME BY SO ANDSO HAVE OUR DECISIONS AND OUR LIVES. THIS IS TO MOVE FORWARD ON ITS OWN. TO TWO ORANGE WITH THE PD SHOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PARCEL. WE STILL WOULD NEED THE MAP AMENDMENT CHANGED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE WITH THIS PROPERTY OTHER THAN TYPICALLY AN OFFICE BUILDING WHICH AS WE KNOW FORT PIERCE HAS A LOT OF THOSE AND WE NEED SOMETHING DIFFERENT LIKE HOUSING. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAS BEEN UPDATING ITS ZONING AND ALLOWED USES FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS FOR SEVERAL REASONS AND IF YOU DO SCROLL BACK ON THAT MAP, YOU WILL SEE THAT THOSE, C1 PARCELS ARE JUST A SMIDGEN, THE REST IS ENGULFED BY CBD. THEY'VE BEEN CHANGING THEIR USES FOR SEVERAL THE ZONING. CURRENT ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS, OF VERY DIFFERENT USES, SCALE AND CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE NOT COHESIVE WITH THE DOWNTOWN WATERFRONT. ESSENTIALLY WE'RE SEEKING THE FLUMA TO BE CHANGED FROM OP TO CBD TO MATCH THE MAJORITY OF THE PARCELS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA INCLUDING OUR OTHER PARCEL WHICH WILL HELP BRIDGE THE GAP IN THE OVER ALL INCONSISTENCIES AND LET'S FACE IT LIKE WE SAID, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE OFFICE BUILDINGS. WE NEED MORE OTHER USES FOR INSTANCE, HOUSING. AND THIS IS [02:45:03] PROBABLY WHY THIS LOT HAS BEEN VACANT AND A BLITHE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR SO LONG. THERE'S ONLY FOUR PARCELS THAT ARE FUTURE LAND USE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL IN THIS ENTIRE AREA. THREE ARE CONSECUTIVE WHICH WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE. THAT BOTTOM PARCEL IS ACTUALLY A HOUSE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. THE BUILDING TO THE NORTH IS THE FBI AND DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE BUILDING. THAT CADDY CORNERED ONE IS OUR NEIGHBORS WHO AS YOU ALL KNOW DO NOT WANT ANY CHANGE AND THEY WERE INVITED TO CHANGE TO THE CBD WHEN THEY DID THAT WHOLE SECTION TO THE CBD AND THEY DID NOT. AND THAT IS THEIR OWN CHOICE. BUT IT'S, SHOULDN'T STOP THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT OVER ONE PARCEL. THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH, I'M SORRY. DID THAT PART AND BEHIND US IS THE RAILROAD. LASTLY I JUST WANTED, OOPS, SKIPPED A PART. WILL PROVIDE AN OVERALL COHESIVENESS AND BETTER USES TO THE PROPERTY. YES IT'S CLOSE TO THE TRAIN TRACKS BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL HOMES ALONG THE TRAIN TRACKINGS. BUILT MANY YEARS AGO THAT PEOPLE LIVE IN AND WITHOUT THE TECHNOLOGY AND RESOURCES TODAY TO HELP REDUCE THE NOISE. LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO REPEAT THIS ONE LAST TIME, THE ITEM YOU'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT IS JUST THE FLUMA AMENDMENT AND NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR APPLICATION. ONCE THIS IS APPROVED WE HAVE NOT TURNED ANYTHING OR SAT WITH THEM ABOUT ANYTHING TO COME WITH THE WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO WITH THE PD FOR THE IF WE DO ANYTHING WITH THE PROPERTY. WE THIS IS A SMALLER PARCEL. WE DID HAVE AN IDEA TO DEVELOP THAT BUT AGAIN, IT CANNOT DO ANYTHING UNTIL IT IS CONVERTED TO CBD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE. >> DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR NO? >> NO. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE. >> HI, I'M DR. LYMAN, 417 SOUTH EMAN. BOY WAS THERE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HISTORICAL BUILDINGS. I THINK OUR BUILDING AT 125 YEARS OLD IS EVEN OLDER THAN THE ONE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. I JUST WANT TO SEE THERE WAS AN INCORRECT STATEMENT MADE A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. WE WERE NEVER ASKED TO CHANGE TO CBD. THERE WAS NEVER ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. AND SO THAT IS AN INCORRECT STATEMENT. NOW THE ONLY OTHER THING I WILL SAY IS WHEN YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. EITHER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE, I THINK THE COMMISSION SHOULD REALIZE THAT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THE TRAIN TRACK AREA BEHIND THIS PROPERTY HAS BECOME A MAYOR MAJOR RAILROAD SWITCH AREA. THEY HAVE BUILT NEW TRACKS SEVERAL NEW TRACKS, PUT UP HUGE LIGHTS BEHIND THIS AREA THAT ARE LIGHTING THIS AREA ALL NIGHT LONG. IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THAN IT WAS I THINK 5-1/2 YEARS AGO WHEN THESE PEOPLE AND WE SUPPORTED A NEW NEW CONSTRUCTION BED AND BREAKFAST THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. SO NO, NO ONE EVER ASKED US. AND THIS IS, THIS IS TURNED INTO A RAILROAD SWITCHING AREA. JUST LETTING THE COMMISSION KNOW THAT'S REALLY WHAT GOES ON BACK THERE WHENEVER YOU DECIDE WHAT IS APPROPRIATE IN TERMS OF ZONING. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> 227 ORANGE AVENUE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE TRAIN ISSUE. THE TRAIN HAS BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME. THERE ARE MAIN DOLLAR ESTATES SOUTH OF US BIG PARCELS, PEOPLE LIVE IN THOSE ZONES EVERY DAY. THEY HAVE NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT IT AND IF THEY DO THEY WOULD MOVE. SO THE TRAIN IS THE TRAIN. IT'S HAPPENED FOR PIERCE, THE BRIGHT LINE COMES, THE BRIGHT LINE GOES, THE BRIGHT LINE COMES, THE BRIGHT LINE GOES. WE'RE ALL PART OF THAT. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. AS FAR AS THE PARCEL IT SHOULD BE A COHESIVE PLANNING. IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE CBD AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING TOBE DONE TODAY. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. >> CHAD INGRAM, I JUST WANTED TO STAND UP AND SUPPORT MAKING THE CHANGE. ESPECIALLY THE COHESIVENESS OF THAT AREA AND THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT [02:50:03] DEVELOPERS IN GENERAL ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH BECAUSE ONCE YOU PICK IT UP AND TRY TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THIS SITE YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU CAN DO AND YOU IMAGINATION SHUTS DOWN. AND I APPLAUD THEM FOR TAKING ALL THIS TIME TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BACK TO THE COMMISSION. DISCUSSION, MOTION. >> MA'AM MAYOR, MY ONLY COMMENT WOULD BE AT THIS TIME IS THAT, THE OP OFFICE ZONING CLASSIFICATION IS AN ANTIQUATED USE THAT WHEN REZONING PLANS ARE COMPLETELY REDONE IS GOING TO BE EITHER WATERED DOWN OR MODIFIED EXTENSIVELY OR ELIMINATED IN TOTALITY FOR MORE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT TYPE USES. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH EXPANDING THE USE INTO THIS AREA AND BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE A GOOD REPURPOSING OF THIS PROPERTY MOVING FORWARD. >> OTHER DISCUSSION OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. >> I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE. WERE THERE CONDITIONS ATTACHED TO THIS. >> NO. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> I'LL SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> BRODRICK. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINS. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. [e. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 24-012 amending the Code of Ordinances of the City of Fort Pierce, Chapter 24 - Nuisances. SECOND READING] >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR. >> YES, MA'AM. >> OKAY NOW WE MOVE ON TO ORDNANCE 24-012 AN ORDNANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 24 OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, AMENDING CHAPTER 24, TO PROVIDE DEFINITIONS CREATING SECTION 24-2, AMENDING CHAPTER 24, ARTICLE 2, WITH THE DETAILED LIST OF PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES TO INCLUDE LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS. REQUIRING NUISANCE AMENDMENT PROGRAM. AMENDING CHAPTER 24, ARTICLE SECTION, ESTABLISHING PROCEDURES FOR ASSESSING COST OF ABATEMENT AND ESTABLISHING PROCEDURES FOR LIEN ENFORCEMENT, AND PROVIDING FORCABILITY CLAUSE. THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND HEARING. ANYONE COMING FORWARD. >> MOTION. >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER BRODRICK. >> YES, MA'AM. [f. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 24-013 - An ordinance amending the Code of Ordinances of the City of Fort Pierce, Chapter 1, Article II - Code Enforcement. SECOND READING] >> COMMISSIONER GAYNES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR. >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND ORDNANCE AMENDING THE COURT OF ORDNANCES CHAPTER 1 GENERAL PROVISIONS ARTICLE 2, CODE ENFORCEMENT AMENDING SECTION ONE, ARTICLE 2, BY CREATING SECTIONS 1-41 THROUGH 1-47 TO PROVIDE FOR A TITLE, PROVIDE FOR INTENT, CREATE DEFINITIONS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING AND PROVIDE ARTICLES AND DUTIES BY DELETING SECTIONS 176 THAT WERE ADDED TO DIVISION ONE. AMENDING CHAPTER ONE BY TITLE AMENDING CHAPTER 1, ARTICLE 2, DIVISION TWO BY ADDING SECTIONS 1-77 THROUGH 1-81 TO ADD REGULATIONS FOR ASSESSING LIENS PROVIDE FOR LIEN REDUCTIONS AND TO PROVIDE FOR UNENFORCEABLE LIENS, AMENDING SECTION 1, DIVISION 3 BY TITLE. AMENDING CHAPTER 1, ARTICLE 2 BY DELETING SECTION 1-99 DEFINITIONS AMENDING HOUSE CITATIONS OR PROCESS AND AMENDING THE CLASSES OF VIOLATION REPEALING OUT ORDNANCE. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING. FIRST AND FOREMOST I WANT TO SAY. >> STATE YOUR NAME. >> CHESTER FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. FIRST AND FOREMOST I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO PEGGY. SHE DID A PHENOMENAL JOB REWRITING THIS CODE. THE *F I HAVE ASKED FOR A PARTIAL LEAN RELEASE POLICY. I DO NOTICE THERE IS IN [02:55:10] SECTION 1-81 AN ENFORCEMENT LEAN. IS THAT A VARIATION OF THE PARTIAL LIEN RELEASE AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE COULD APPLY IN THE LIEN. OTHER THAN THAT I THINK THIS IS A WELL WRITTEN ORDNANCE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING ALONGSIDE OF YOU GUYS. >> GREAT, THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. >> I JUST WANT TO SUGGEST THERE BE EMBEDDED IN HERE, LANGUAGE THAT WOULD HELP RELEASE LIENS IN THAT WHATEVER THAT PROGRAM IS IN THE EVENT THAT PEOPLE USE THAT PROPERTY TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. CONNECTING THE RELEASE OF LIENS TO THE WIPING AWAY OF WHATEVER. ESPECIAL LITTLE IF THEY'RE HISTORICAL LIENS THAT WERE OWNED OR ACCRUED. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS? SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. MIMS, CAN YOU ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS OR DO WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT CAN. >> THERE'S A WONDERFUL PERSON THAT CAN ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS HER NAME IS PEGGY ARRAY AND SHE'S COMING TO THE MICROPHONE RIGHT NOW. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >>> GOOD EVENING MA'AM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, THE ORDNANCE JUST ESTABLISHES THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO DO LIEN REDUCTIONS. AND THE RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE COMING SHORTLY AFTER, ARE THE RULES OF PROCEDURE AND IN THERE, WE OUTLINE THINGS LIKE THE PARTIAL RELEASES AND ALL THE CRITERIA THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. SO THE ORDNANCE JUST SETS UP THE ABILITY OF THE CITY TO REDUCE THE LEANS. AND THEN THE PROCESS SUCH AS PARTIAL RELEASES ETC. ARE IN THE RULES OF PROCEDURE. RESOLUTIONS COMING UP SHORTLY. >> THANK YOU MA'AM, ANY QUESTION, STAFF. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHTY. WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A [g. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 24-019 - amending Code of Ordinances, Chapter 22 to delete Business Tax Receipts and replace with Certificate of Use. SECOND READING] SECOND. CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> AMENDING ARTICLE 2 BUSINESS TAX TO REDUCE BUSINESS TAX IN ITS ENTIRETY. CERTIFICATE OF USE PROGRAM SECTIONS 22-19 TO 22-54. ESTABLISHING DEFINITIONS, REQUIREMENTS, APPLICATION, TERMS, RENEWAL OTHER CERTIFICATES. REQUIRED REVIEWS INSPECTIONS, FEES AND PENALTIES. DENIAL AND REPRICATION AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> THIS IS THE SECOND READING, ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> AGAIN, CHAD LEW. I WANTED TO ASK IF THE TAX ARE YOU GOING TO CONTINUE IT NOT TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN TO SET UP BUSINESSES WHERE THEY HAVE CUSTOMERS COMING. NOW YOU CAN HAVE CUSTOMERS COMING BUT IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE CURRENT CODE ON THE MUNI CODE WEBSITE, THE CITY STILL RESTRICTS THE USE OF YOUR PROPERTY FOR SUCH THINGS. AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE COMING TO SET UP HAIR BRAIDING SHOP IN THEIR BACK PORCH, THEY'RE ABLE TO GET A BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT TO GET OTHER GRANTS AND LOANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IF THEY CAN'T GET ONE BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESSES ARE LOCATED IN THEIR PRIMARY RESIDENCE THEN THEY CAN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE KINDS OF FUNS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> JUST TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT WHAT HE WAS JUST SAYING. SAME THING WITH THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS AND FOR THE HOME OCCUPATIONS. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IT WENT FROM IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD TO CHANGE THIS CHART. IT WAS APRIL OR MAY TIME AND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THAT TO COME BACK BECAUSE IN THAT USE CHART IT DID APPROVE FOR THE HOME OCCUPATIONS BECAUSE CITY CODE, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE STATE CODE. HERE WE ARE IN JUNE OR JULY AND THAT STILL HASN'T COME BACK TO GO IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSIONERS TO GET THE REST OF THOSE USES APPROVED. IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE THAT TURNED AROUND TO HELP GET US OUT OF CONFLICT AND ALLOW [03:00:03] THESE, THE VARIETY OF USES TO COME INTO PLAY TO HELP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. MRS. COX CAN YOU ANSWER ANY OF HOSE QUESTIONS. >> WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT OUR CITY CODE IS IN CONFLICT WITH THE STATE CODE AND WE WE HAVE NOT DENIED ANY HOME BUSINESSES BASED ON WHETHER CUSTOMERS CAN COME AND GO. WE KNOW IT'S IN CONFLICT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE CODE AMENDMENT GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. I THINK IT WAS A COUPLE OF PLANNING DIRECTORS AGO AND IT NEVER ACTUALLY MADE IT OUT. BUT THE USE TABLE DOES ADDRESS THAT AND THAT IS COMING FORWARD. AND THE OTHER QUESTION, I THINK FOR YEAH IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE HOME BASE BUSINESS. >> YEAH. WE'RE AWARE OF THE STATE LAW. >> YEAH. >> SO NOW WE ARE BACK HERE FOR A VOTE ON 24-019. >> MOVE FOR THE APPROVAL. [a. Resolution 24-R26 Addressing Non-Compliant Liens] >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE MOVE ON TO THE CITY COMMISSION. >> GOOD EVENING MA'AM MAYOR COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS JUST ONE OF TWO COMPANION THAT WENT ALONG WITH THE AMENDMENTS YOU JUST APPROVED CHANGING HOW OUR LIEN STRUCTURE. THIS IS JUST A COMPANION RESOLUTION FOR THE CITY TO ADDRESS THOSE LIENS THAT DON'T COMPLY WITH THE NEW RULES. >> ALL RIGHTY, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF. IS THERE A MOTION? GO AHEAD. >> SO IS THIS THE ONE THAT ADDRESSES THE QUESTIONS FROM THE NEXT ONE? GOT YOU. OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. I DON'T WANT TO JUMP THE GUN AGAIN. >> YOU HAVE A REPUTATION FOR THAT. >> YES, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE SO WE DON'T MISS IT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. >> MA'AM, MAYOR I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WILL APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-R26. >> MOTION. >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. [b. Resolution 24-R35 establishing Certificate of Use Fees] >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA BY RESOLUTION REPEALING ALL RESOLUTIONS IN CONFLICT TO WITH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> OKAY. SO THIS IS ESTABLISHES THE ACTUAL FEES. >> THE ACTUAL FEES. AND I THINK THE FEES THAT ARE IN THE RESOLUTION ARE THE SAME FEES THAT WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING. I DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES. I THOUGHT IF WE WANTED TO MAKE YOU KNOW I NEED TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU WHAT THE CHANGES ARE THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO HEAR. >> I THINK I WAS INTERESTING AT LEAST TO START OUT WITH FOR THE NONPROFITS TO HAVE REDUCED RATE. ONLY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PREPARED FOR THIS. AND I I THINK WE AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE THE FIRE DISTRICTS FEE WHICH IS 145. THEY'RE JUST NOT PREPARED. THEIR BUDGETS WON'T BE READY FOR THIS BUT I'M NOT SAYING IN THE FUTURE WE SHOULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING THEY'RE GOING TO BE HIT WITH OTHER FEES THAT THEY'RE NOT USED TO. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. >> I THINK YOU ALL HAD ASKED ME ABOUT THAT AT THE LAST MEETING AND I DID REACH OUT TO ALL THE OTHER DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS AND I COULDN'T FIND A SINGLE ONE THAT GAVE DISCOUNTS TO NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS FOR THESE TYPE OF FEES. THEY'RE DEFINITELY TAX EXEMPT. FOR THESE TYPE OF FEES, BUILDING PERMIT FEES THERE ARE NO DEDUCTIONS FOR NONPROFITS. >> AND I ACTUALLY BELIEVE THEY PROBABLY SHOULD DO IT IT'S JUST THAT WE NEED, WE NEED TO PREPARE THEM. AND WE NEED TO, IN MY OPINION EASE INTO THIS. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE PAYING OTHER FEES THEY'RE NOT USED TO. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. >> MA'AM MAYOR. >> YOU'RE SUGGESTING A ONE YEAR MORATORIUM ON NONPROFITS. >> YES. YES. >> THAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. >> YEAH, AND THEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE ON NOTICE THAT IT'S A ONE YEAR MORATORIUM. SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR BUDGETS IN ORDER. >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. >> MA'AM MAYOR. >> YES. [03:05:01] >> I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY RUN CAL CALENDAR YEAR BUDGET BUT MAYBE NOW IT'S TIME FOR THE 6 MONTH. MOST OF THE NONPROFITS START IN JANUARY. THEY'RE DOING ALL THEIR BUDGETS. >> THEY'RE NOT ON OUR OCTOBER. YOU'RE RIGHT. >> OUR FEES ARE ANALYZED. IT'S NOT, THEY'RE NOT ALL DUE AT THE SAME TIME. THEY'RE ANNUALIZED FEES. >> RIGHT. SO IF THEY'RE PREPARING THEIR BUDGET NOW FOR WHEN IT'S TIME TO RENEW OR WHATEVER IS COMING UP. THEY MIGHT HAVE A ONE YEAR GRACE PERIOD BECAUSE THEY DON'T RENEW UNTIL NEXT JULY. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. >> I DO, I DO. >> BUT IF THEY'RE STARTING IN MARCH IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE EARLIER. BUT I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT AND I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THE BUDGETS THAT I'M ASSOCIATED WITH IN A NONPROFIT AND I BELIEVE. >> THAT IS TRUE. I THINK I WOULD RATHER STICK WITH THE YEAR BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I JUST WANT TO GIVE THEM PLENTY OF NOTICE. BECAUSE, IF IT'S CHURCHES, IF IT'S A LOT. >> THEY'RE JUST NOT USED TO PAYING THIS EXPENSE AND THEY'RE DEPENDENT ON CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THEIR TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS TO RUN THEIR NONPROFIT BUSINESS. >> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. IT'S THE 145. >> THAT'S THE FIRE DISTRICT. >> THAT'S THE FIRE DISTRICT. >> THAT'S THE FIRE DISTRICT FEE. >> OKAY. >> SO CURRENTLY, AND MAYBE MS. PEGGY COULD HELP ME. YOU GUYS HAVE IT UP THERE. THE NEW FEE FOR COMMERCIAL IS 25. >> I JUST PUT IT UP IN MY THING HERE BUT THAT'S TO GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED I WANT EVERYBODY TO MAKE SURE WE. >> HAVE A SINGLE SLIDE ATTACHED TO IT. >> I'M LOOKING ALL AT THE SAME THING. >> I'M LOOKING AT JEREMIAH'S TED TALK. >> I'M LOOKING AT JEREMIAH'S TED TALK TOO. >> I'M OTHER HERE LOOKING. WE ARE CALLING TONIGHT CHURCHES AS THE NONPROFIT. WE ARE INCLUDING THEM WITH THE NONPROFITS IF WE GO WITH HEY, WE HAVE SAID CHAIR. WE GO WITH ONE YEAR. >> YEAH, YES. AND THEY HAVE BRICKS AND MORTAL. A LOT OF NONPROFITS DON'T BUT THEY DO. THAT'S ALL THE MORE REASON THEY SHOULD BE SAFE, RIGHT. AND SHOULD. RIGHT. YEAH, YEAH. WE ARE. >> THEY HAD TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS THEY JUST DON'T HAVE TO PAY THE FEE TO THE CITY. IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST, I UNDERSTAND. I LEAVE IT. >> DID YOU PUT IT UP? >> IT NEEDS TO SWITCH. >> SORRY. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> WHATEVER, WHATEVER MAN. >> THE OTHER IF I COULD THE ONLY COMMENT MRS. COX AND I HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT OTHER HOME BASED BUSINESSES. REMEMBER I MADE A CONVERSATION OR POINT OF LOOKING AT THE FEE STRUCTURE. SHE WALKED ME THROUGH SOME OF THE BTRS THAT ARE OUT THERE CURRENTLY. AND SOME OF THEM ARE A WASH, SOME OF THEM, THEY PAY MORE THAN THIS FEE STRUCTURE TODAY. SOME OF THEM PAY LESS THAN OUR FEE STRUCTURE TODAY. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY IT WAS PROBABLY A WELL BASED BALANCE POINT OF THE NUMBERS THAT ARE SELECTED ON THE SCREEN. SO IT GAVE ME SOME CONFIDENCE THAT WE'RE OKAY WITH, WITH THESE NUMBERS. BUT I DID HAVE THAT, ITERATION AND EVALUATION. >> YEAH, YEAH. AND I TALKED TO HER ALSO AND SHE DID, THAT WAS A SURPRISE TO ME. SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO BE PAYING LESS. >> SOME PAY MORE. YES. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NONPROFITS WITH THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL STRUCTURE HERE. ON THE MORATORIUM. >> CORRECT. >> BECAUSE THERE ARE NONPROFITS THAT HAVE NO PHYSICAL STRUCTURES AND OPERATE. AND MAY MEET AS A HOME BASE. NONPROFIT IN THE LIVING ROOM SOME WHERE. AND SO HOW DOES THAT FEE OUT HERE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE, ORGANIZATIONS THAT I KNOW OF AT OUR CHURCHES OR WORSHIP CENTERS OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO CLASSIFY THEM AND THAT'S MEET IN HOME BASED OPERATIONS. >> IF THEY'RE OPERATING IN A HOME IN A RESIDENCE THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED A HOME BASED BUSINESS. >> HOME BASE NONPROFIT. WE DON'T DO ANY. >> I MEAN IF WE WANT TO DO NONPROFITS EXEMPT FROM FEES FOR ONE YEAR. I WOULD SAY ITS WHETHER THEY'RE HOME BASED OR COMMERCIAL BASED. IT SHOULDN'T MATTER. NONPROFITS ARE A SPECIFIC CATEGORY. IF THERE'S NO FEES FOR A YEAR, THERE'S NO [03:10:01] FEES FOR A YEAR. AND THEN, AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF THAT YEAR WHETHER THEY'RE HOME BASED OR COMMERCIAL WHICHEVER FEE SCHEDULE IS APPROPRIATE IS WHAT THEY WOULD FALL INTO. >> OKAY. >> WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION. >> THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON RIGHT. BECAUSE I THINK THE TRIGGER OF IT IS, IT'S NONPROFIT. WHATEVER IT IS, COMMERCIAL OR HOME BASED WE GET THE NOTIFICATIONS OUT. WE INDICATE THAT OKAY, THERE'S NO FEE BUT ARE WE STILL ASKING THEM TO REGISTER SO WE AT LEAST KNOW THAT THEY ARE THERE. OKAY. SO IT'S NO FEE BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE AN IDEA WHO THEY ARE, WHERE THEY ARE SO WHEN IT COMES TO A NOTIFICATION AFTER THEIR MORATORIUM NOW WE BEGIN TO SEND OUT THAT YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE A HOME BASED NONPROFIT OR YOU'RE A COMMERCIAL BASE WITH A PHYSICAL BUILDING SOME WHERE AND THESE ARE YOUR FEES HERE. >> I WILL CLARIFY FOR THIS SLIDE, I INCLUDED THE BUILDING INSPECTION FEE BECAUSE THAT IS A FEE THAT IS PAID TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHICH IS NOT REALLY PART OF THE CERTIFICATE OF USE. THE BUILDING INSPECTION FEE WOULD NOT BE WAIVED BECAUSE BUILDING INSPECTIONS CANNOT BE WAIVED. >> RIGHT, OKAY. >> FOR THE CERTIFICATE BASE FEE IS A FEE WE WOULD NOT CHARGE AND CERTIFICATE OF USE FEE WHICH WOULD NOT BE CHARGED IF FOR THE ONE YEAR. FOR NONPROFITS. >> THERE'S A WAY FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT IT'S ONLY ONE YEAR SO THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT IN THE FUTURE. >> WE'LL LET THEM KNOW WHEN THEY MAKE APPLICATION WE'LL LET THEM KNOW. WE'LL WRITE THAT, WE'LL WRITE THAT INTO THIS. THAT IT'LL, THEY'LL BE A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS FOR ONE CALENDAR YEAR FROM THE DATE THIS GOES INTO EFFECT. >> RIGHT. AND I THINK THE OTHER, WE NEED TO BOLD THAT FIRE INSPECTION. EVEN THE SMALL PRINT NEEDS TO BE LARGER TO ME. BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T CONTROL. AND SO A NONPROFIT THAT HAS A BUILDING IS GOING TO GET $145 CHARGE FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. >> THAT'S NOT ON OUR FEE. THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT'S ADOPTED. SKWR-SZ OKAY AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT MUST BE UNIFORM, AND MUST BE. >> HOW LONG HAS THE FIRE INSPECTION BEEN ACTIVE. >> THEY WOULD GET OUR LIST AND GO BACK AFTERWARD. AND THEY DON'T USUALLY DO A RENEWAL INSPECTION UNLESS SOMEONE ASKS FOR ONE OR IF THERE'S BEEN A MAJOR CHANGE FOR THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. >> SO WE NEED MOTION WITH THAT CHANGE. >> ONE LAST QUESTION, MA'AM. IT'S JUST, I CAN GO WITH THE ONE YEAR, YOU KNOW. EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH $100. THE $200 ON THE COMMERCIAL. IS IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST COMMERCIAL? I MIGHT HAVE FORGOT IF I READ MA'AM COURT. THE OTHER CHARGES. >> I LOOKED AT ALL THE DIFFERENT. IN THE INITIAL PRESENTATION. THE AVERAGE BUSINESS TAX RIGHT NOW IS, PROBABLY THE MOST FREQUENTLY USED DOLLAR AMOUNT IS $138 FOR A SINGLE CLASSIFICATION. SO IF YOU HAVE, IF YOU DO DIFFERENT THINGS IN YOUR BUSINESS LIKE A WAL-MART HAS PROBABLY 20 DIFFERENT BUSINESS LICENSES. YOU ONLY HAVE TO HAVE ONE NOW. NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DOING, IT'S ONLY ONE CERTIFICATE OF USE. IF YOU HAVE A LAW FIRM OF 10 ATTORNEYS INSTEAD OF HAVING 10 BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS FOR $138 EACH, YOU HAVE ONE CERTIFICATE OF USE FOR $200 ANNUALLY. AGAIN IT'S GOING TO BE MORE FOR SOME, LESS FOR OTHERS. THE BEAUTY PARLORS INSTEAD OF EACH INDIVIDUAL BEAUTICIAN HAVING TO HAVE A LICENSE, THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT ANYMORE. JUST THE BEAUTY PARLOR. [03:15:02] >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I REMEMBER, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I REMEMBER THE RANGE YOU PROVIDED BEFORE. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AND PUBLICLY IT'S $200 CAME UP BECAUSE WE LOOKING AT ALL THE RANGES AND WE FELT THAT $200 IS THE NUMBER WE SHOULD GO WITH. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. >> CORRECT. YEAH. >> SO WE COULD HAVE SAID, $150. >> COULD HAVE SAID $500. EXACTLY. IT WAS BASED ON THE GENERAL AVERAGE OF WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS WE LOOKED AT HAD. >> THE BTR IS GOING AWAY. >> THERE'S NO MORE BTR. >> SO WE'RE GOING TO BE A COU OR WHATEVER. >> SO MUCH SIMPLER. >> AND FOR THE PUBLICS JUST TO EMPHASIZE WHY WE DO THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT BUSINESSES ARE OPERATING AND SO THAT WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS ISSUED, THAT WE HAVE THEM ON RECORD. AND WE KNOW HOW TO ADDRESS IT, KNOW WHO SHOULD ADDRESS IT. IF IT'S, STATE OR WHATEVER. >> MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IN AN AREA THAT'S PROPERLY ZONED. THAT IS THE BUILDING IS PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED AND THE FIRE DISTRICT HAS GIVEN ITS SEAL OF APPROVAL FOR SAFETY. >> PROTECT THE PUBLIC. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. SO IS THERE A MOTION? >> SO MA'AM MAYOR, WHAT YOU SAID. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WOULDN'T $175 LET US KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I UNDERSTAND BUSINESSES OUT THERE AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT GUYS. I KNOW, I KNOW THE BUDGET, I KNOW ALL OF THIS STUFF. I KNOW EVERYTHING. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE, I DON'T WANT, MAYBE I'M TIRED AND MAYBE, $200 IS BUSINESSES ARE SITTING AT HOME TELLING ME ARNOLD BE QUIET. WE CAN PAY THE $200. BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF WE WANT PEOPLE TO, NOTIFY US OF THEIR BUILDINGS, WE NEED TO GET THEM SOME TYPE OF AN INCENTIVE TO SAY, OKAY, YOU KNOW $175 LET ME KNOW WHAT THE CITY IS SAYING. YOU KNOW, BUT IF EVERYBODY FEELS COMFORTABLE WITH THE $200. I GOT THE, MA'AM MAYOR YOU DID IT FOR ME WITH THE NONPROFITS BECAUSE I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THAT. SO I'M HAPPY WITH THAT. WE GIVE THEM A YEAR. EVERYBODY GOT THE WORD OUT THAT YOU HAVE THE YEAR. AND YOU HAVE THE $100 AND WE GO FROM THERE. IF EVERYBODY UP HERE IS SATISFIED THAT 200 IS A GOOD NUMBER FOR THE BUSINESS, I WILL SIT BACK AND BE QUIET AND WAIT FOR A MOTION. BUT I HAVE TO JUST ASK. I'M FIGHTING FOR THE MOM AND POP SHOPS OUT HERE THAT SAY, HEY I GOT EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON NOW THERE'S A $200. AND YOU KNOW, ONE YEAR $25, $50 MIGHT BE SOMETHING THEY NEED. SO I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. BUTCH -- BUT IF WE'RE FINE WITH THE AVERAGE OF $200 I'LL SIT BACK. >> I BELIEVE, IT'S $125 OR $150 PAYING THE NEW APPLICATION ONE TIME OR EVERY YEAR? >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >> NEW APPLICATION FEE. >> JUST ONE TIME. >> MY RENEWAL NEXT TIME WILL BE $125. SO TECHNICALLY IT'S $125. >> NO BUILDING INSPECTION, NO FIRE INSPECTION, NO NOTHING. >> RIGHT. >> SO ONLY THE FIRST TIME YOU PAY THE $200. >> SO YOU COME UP AT $200. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTION. SO THE FIRST TIME WHEN WE GO OVER THERE IT'S GOING TO BE A $200 FEE. 200 IS GOING TO BE $300. IF IT'S A NEW APPLICATION. WE CAN'T WAIVE THE BUILDING INSPECTION SO, SO WE'RE STARTING OUT REALLY WITH $225. BECAUSE IT'S EVERY OLD BUSINESS, MOVING OVER TO THE CUCO. >> THEY WON'T PAY THE RENEWAL FEE. THEY WON'T PAY IT AS A NEW APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED. IF YOU HAVE AN EXISTING BUSINESS TAX YOU'RE GOING TO DO A RENEWAL CERTIFICATE OF USE. >> $125. >> $125. >> THAT'S WHY I WANT THIS OUT HERE. SO ALL THE EXISTING BUSINESSES OUT HERE IF WE GO OVER, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE $125. >> THAT'S IT. >> RIGHT. >> NO APPLICATION FEE. >> NO APPLICATION FEE. >> NO FIRE. >> NO FIRE. >> NO BUILDING. >> NO BUILDING. >> NO. >> ANY NEW BUSINESS THAT COMES IN, ANY NEW BUSINESS THAT COMES INTO FORT PIERCE THEY'RE GOING TO PAY $25 APPLICATION, $75 FOR THE BUILDING INSPECTION, WHICH WE HAVE, THEY HAVE TO DO THAT. AND THEN $200 FOR THE FIRST ONE [03:20:06] THEY GET. >> CORRECT. >> AND THEN AFTER THAT, IT'S $125. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> SO I WANT EVERYBODY TO BE CLEAR. >> SOME OF THOSE, THEY WOULD PAY ANY WAY THE NEW BUSINESSES. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY, I'M GOOD. >> IS THERE A MOTION? >> MA'AM MAYOR I PROVE APPROVAL. >> I SECOND IT. >> WE MADE SOME MODIFICATIONS. >> WITH THE MORATORIUM. WITH THE ONE YEAR MORATORIUM. >> ONE YEAR MORATORIUM FOR ONE YEAR FOR NONPROFITS THEY WON'T PAY THE YEAR. >> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE HAVE RESOLUTION 24-R25 THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE [d. Resolution 24-R37 authorizing the execution of a Reconstruction Agreement with All Digital All Day, LLC to remove the existing sign at 7049 Okeechobee Road, Fort Pierce, FL 34945 and construct a replacement sign pursuant to Florida Statutes.] FLORIDA. OH NO NOT THAT ONE. SORRY. RESOLUTION 24-R37, A RESOLUTION THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA AUTHORIZING THE EXECUTION OF ALL DIGITAL ALL DAY LLC TO REMOVE THE EXISTING SIGN LOCATED AT 7049 OKEECHOBEE ROAD FORT PIERCE FLORIDA AND CONSTRUCT A REPLACEMENT SIGN PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES. >> ALL DIGITAL ALL DAY, FOR THE REMOVAL AND RECONSTRUCTION OF A DIGITAL BILLBOARD THAT WILL ALSO ACCOMMODATE CITY OF FORT PIERCE EMERGENCY NOTIFICATIONS AND POSSIBLE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS. THIS IS, ENABLED THROUGH FLORIDA STATE STATUTE 7020. WHERE BY IT ENCOURAGES MUNICIPALITIES TO ENTER INTO AGREEMENT FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE DO HAVE THE COMMUNITY PARTNERS IN THE AUDIENCE. THE INCOMPARABLE BOBBINS AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ALL DIGITAL ALL DAY SO YOU CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. THE WONDERFUL PART ABOUT THIS, THE PARTNERSHIP WILL CONTRIBUTE $10,000 FOR ENHANCEMENTS. THIS IS NOT A NEW INITIATIVE THIS IS THE SECOND AGREEMENT WE'VE ENTERED INTO THANKS TO MR. DOBBINS. THIS AGAIN CAN ENHANCE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND BEAUTIFY OUR GORGEOUS CITY. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, MR. DOBBINS IS HERE FOR YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MR. DOBBINS BUT PLEASE COME UP TO THE MIC AND LET US SAY THANK YOU. WE'RE THANKING YOU YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. DOBBINS. YOU HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE ALL DAY LONG. >> NO PRESENTATION OF ANYTHING. JUST HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> 7049 OKEECHOBEE ROAD. TELL ME WHERE THAT IS. >> BETWEEN THE TURNPIKE AND I 95. IT IS THE MOBILE STATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE. YOU KNOW WHERE THE BIG YELLOW WAFFLE TIME. THAT'S THE BILLBOARD. >> THIS LOOKS GREAT. ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. DOBBINS. THANK YOU FOR STAYING ALL NIGHT. AND. >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION JUST A COMMENT. I WAS WONDERING WHY YOU WERE HERE. >> I WAS WAITING. >> I WAS WAITING FOR SOME MAJESTIC PRESENTATION. MR. DOBBINS STANDARD OPERATING FORMAT AND THANK YOU FOR THE CONTRIBUTION FOR THE BEAUTIFICATION. DOUBLE SIDED SIGN, TIMES TWO. >> YES, SIR. >> WE'LL TAKE IT ALL DAY LONG. >> ANY MOTION TO MAKE OR DISCUSSION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON. [e. Resolution 24-R38 Amending the Rules of Procedure for Special Magistrate.] >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >>> REPB REST HRAOUGS BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FLORIDA APPROVING THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. [03:25:02] >> I'M READY. >> ANY QUESTION, MR. MIMS, MRS. RAYS DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO YOU WANT SHARE. >> I DO HAVE A PRESENTATION. >> OKAY. >> VERY COLORFUL BECAUSE THESE RULES AND PROCEDURES ARE SOME OF THE DRIEST READINGS YOU WILL EVER HAVE. GOOD EVENING MA'AM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS THIS IS JUST A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION ABOUT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE RULES OF PROCEDURE. THESE WERE AMENDED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CHAPTER ONE AND CHAPTER 24 CHANGES WE MADE AND THEN WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A BIG OVERHALL OVER HAUL OF CHAPTER 1 AND 24. WE SPLIT IT INTO PARTS WHICH IS NEW. PART ONE IS A GENERAL PROVISIONS. VERY MINOR REVISIONS, WE ADDED NEW DEFINITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. PART TWO IS PREHEARING MATTERS. AND AGAIN THEY'RE MINOR REVISIONS. WE ADDED SOME RULES RELATED TO HEARING TRANSCRIPTS. WHEN WE ISSUE PARKING TICKETS SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT HERE AND THEY HAVE TO LEAVE. SO RATHER THAN MAKE THEM COME BACK FOR A HEARING WE ALLOWED FOR THEM TO APPEAR BY TELEPHONE. PART THREE IS ACTUALLY HOW HEARINGS ARE CONDUCTED AND WE JUST REALLY PROVIDED CLARIFYING. THE SAME WITH POSTHEARING MINORS. SOME MINOR REVISIONS WITH CLARIFYING WORDS. FOR SOME CLARIFYING LANGUAGE FOR SOME EXTENSIONS TO COMPLIANCE STATES AND WHAT NOT. BUT THE PARTS 5 AND 6 ARE THE MAYOR AMENDMENTS AND I'M GOING TO REVIEW THEM WITH YOU TONIGHT. PART 7, PLAIN MANAGEMENT THERE'S ACTUALLY NO CHANGES TO THAT SECTION AT ALL. THAT'S JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MADE. SO PART FIVE IS ABOUT NONCOMPLIANCE, FINDS AND LIENS. SO THE 5.1, 5.2 AND 5.3 ALL JUST HAD MINOR AMENDMENTS WITH CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. THESE WERE ALL ALREADY IN OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE. WE JUST MADE THEM BETTER UNDERSTOOD. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID WAS WE SEPARATED THE FINDS FROM THE LIENS. AND THE OLD RULES WAS AN ORDER ASSESSING FINE AND EXPOSING LIEN. IT WAS ALL COMBINED INTO ONE THEN WE SEPARATED IT INTO TWO STEPS IT'S NOT JUST COMBINED INTO ONE. AND THEN, WE DID THE LIEN REDUCTIONS AND THIS IS WHERE WE HAD SOME WORK THAT WAS DONE. THE FIRST THING WE DID WAS WE CONFORMED WITH SECTION 1-80 WHICH IS WHAT YOU JUST ADOPTED. THAT LIENS MAY QUALIFY FOR A REDUCTION BUT THERE'S NO GUARANTEE WHICH IS SOMETHING I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TOLD BY PEOPLE, I'M ENTITLED TO A LIEN REDUCTION. SO I GO OKAY. WE CLARIFIED THAT. THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE BEFORE A REDUCTION IS REQUESTED. WE CLARIFIED THAT. PARTIAL RELEASES WHICH IS THE REMOVAL OF A PROPERTY WHICH IS A SPREADING LIEN ATTACHED TO ALL PROPERTIES UNDER SAME OWNERSHIP AND IF YOU WANT ONE PARCEL REMOVED FROM THAT SPREADING LIEN IT WOULD REQUIRE A SETTLEMENT OF 5% OR $40 WHICHEVER IS GREATER. WE DID PUT A $25 FLAT RATE ON THAT. AND THEN THE REDUCTION CRITERIA. >> $5 OR 2,500. >> $2,500. >> THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE, OKAY. AND THE CRITERIA THAT THE CITY CONSIDERS WHEN A LIEN REDUCTION COMES BEFORE HIM OR HER IS THE REQUESTING PARTY THE RESPONSIBLE ONE OF THE LIEN. SO LET'S SAY YOU INHERITED A PROPERTY , YOU'RE NOT THE ONE THAT FORCED THE LIEN. ARE THERE ANY EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. AGE, THERE'S 100 EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS REALLY DOES INVOLVE OUR LANDLORDS. AND IF, IT'S A CONSIDERATION FACTOR IT'S NOT A YES OR NO. IT'S A CONSIDERATION IF YOU HAVE SEVEN OTHER PROPERTIES ALSO IN VIOLATION. IT'S CONSIDERATION. THE TYPE AND NUMBER OF LIEN REDUCTIONS REQUIRED PRIOR. ARE YOU IN THE HABIT OF NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE. HAVING A LIEN, GETTING IT REDUCED AND WASH REPEAT RINSE. AND THEN, IS THE REDUCTION IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. SO, THAT REALLY ENCOMPASSES A WIDE SCOPE OF THINGS THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED. IN EVERY STEP IT CAN BE, SO IF THE REDUCTION REQUEST COMES TO STAFF OR STAFF ADMINISTRATION IF I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT LIEN REDUCTION I CAN BUMP IT UP TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CAN ALSO BUMP IT UP TO THE LIEN COMMISSION. IF I HAVE CONCERNS I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION, I CAN KIND OF BUMP IT DOWN THE LINE AND THE SAME FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. IF THEY'RE NOT COMFORTABLE THEY CAN BUMP IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION. WE DO HAVE ALL THESE STEPS IN PLACE TO TRY AND [03:30:01] MITIGATE THESE LIEN REDUCTIONS BEFORE THEY COME TO THE CITY COMMISSION. AND THEN THE FORECLOSURE. PRETTY MUCH MINOR AMENDMENTS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FOUND WE MADE A MISTAKE ON IN THE FIRST ONE WE DIDN'T CHECK FOR TAX DEEDS. WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS. PUT IT IN FRONT OF OUR FORECLOSURE ATTORNEY AND WAS SOLD AT A TAX DEED SALE. THAT WAS PUT IN THERE. THAT WAS LIFE LEARNED LESSON. AND THEN WE ARE CONTINUING TO REQUIRE THE FORECLOSURE NOTICE TO BE SENT BY A PROCESS SERVER. BUT THEN WE'VE ADDED A, IF WE CAN'T DO SERVICE, WE CAN DO THIS. WE HAVE A PROPERTY, WE TRIED TO FORCLOSE ON. OUR RULES REQUIRE SERVICE BY THE PROCESS SERVER. THEY'RE GONE. WE HAVE DONE A SKIP TRACE. I PAID A NATIONAL COMPANY TO TRY TO FIND THEM, THEY'RE GONE. AND THE WAY OUR RULES READ NOW I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SERVE THEM. SO WHAT THIS SAYS IS WE WILL DO THE PROCESS SERVER BUT IF IT FAILS, WE WILL THEN DO CERTIFIED MAIL, REGULAR MAIL AND POSTTHE PROPERTY. SO THAT WAY WE CONTINUE MOVING FORWARD AND NOT STUCK BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET SERVICE THROUGH THE PROCESS SERVER. AND THEN, A QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED ABOUT OUR NOTICES AND HOW NOTICES ARE SENT AND WHERE THEY'RE SENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO OUTLINE THIS FOR EVERYONE. SO WE ALWAYS START WITH OUR NOTICE OF VIOLATION. AND THIS IS UNDER THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. THE STANDARD CODE ENFORCEMENT, YOU HAVE THINGS IN YOUR YARD. OR YOUR HOUSE NEEDS PAINTING OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS. WE SEND A NOTICE OF VIOLATION TO ALL PARTICIPANTS. EVERYONE WE CAN NOTIFY. IF WE CAN FIND YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS YOU'RE GETTING A LETTER. IF COMPLIANCE IS NOT DONE, WE SEND OUR NOTICE OF HEARING. THAT IS SENT BY CERTIFIED MAIL TO ALL OF THOSE SAME PARTIES. IF THE GREEN CARD IS NOT RETURNED, OR RETURNED UNSIGNED WE THEN SEND IT REGULAR MAIL. IF THE GREEN CARD FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS NOT RETURNED OR RETURNED AND SIGNED WE POSTTHE PROPERTY WITH THE HEARING NOTICE. ONCE THE HEARING IS DONE, THE ORDER OF DETERMINING VIOLATION THE NOTICE OF THE FINE WHICH IS CALLED A MASSEY LETTER AND THE NOTICE OF LIEN THEY'RE ALL SEND TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, AND IF THERE'S SOMEONE IDENTIFIED AT THE HEARING, WE'LL ALSO SEND THEM A COPY SO IF YOU'RE REPRESENTED BY AN AGENT OR ATTORNEY THEY WILL ALSO GET COPIES. ALL KINDS OF NOTICES PRIOR TO THE HEARING. AFTER THE HEARING WHOEVER IS IDENTIFIED AT THAT HEARING THAT'S WHO GETS THE NOTICES. THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT PROCESS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND THAT CHANGED ABOUT 30 MINUTES AGO. WITH CHAPTER 24, SO THE WAY WE USED TO DO IT IS WE WOULD GO AND POSTTHE PROPERTY. WE WOULD DO THE WORK AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU THE CHANCE TO ARGUE AND WE'RE REVERSING THAT. WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING A NOTICE OF HEARING. NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND POSTING THE PROPERTY AT THE BEGINNING. TAKING THE MATTER TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOR THEM TO DECLARE IT A NUISANCE AND ORDER THAT IT BE FIXED AND THEN MOVING FORWARD FROM THERE. SO THE CERTIFIED MAIL GOES TO EVERYBODY. AS WELL AS THE COPY OF THE NOTICE OF HEARING AND NOTICE OF VIOLATION POSTED AT THE PROPERTY. AND IF THE GREEN CARDS ARE NOT RETURNED THEN WE SEND IT REGULAR MAIL THEN THE SAME PROCESS FOR ORDER DETERMINING VIOLATION, THE NOTICE OF FINES AND THE NOTICE OF LIEN THEY GO TO THE HEARING. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> QUESTIONS. >> MA'AM MAYOR. THE LAST ONE REAL QUICK. AT THE VERY BEGINNING. I KNOW. >> SHE'S LOOKING AT ME. >> I KNOW. GO AHEAD. SO THE NOTICE, UP FRONT. SO WHEN IT HAPPENS AND LET'S SAY THAT THEY, DON'T HAVE TO GO TO SPECIAL MAGISTRATE BUT THEY GET IT CURED BEFORE THAT TIME RIGHT. IS THERE A FEE STRUCTURE THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY. THERE'S NOTHING AT ALL THAT'S A REIMBURSEMENT TO THE RESIDENT BECAUSE WE PAID FOR THIS. >> NO, SIR. >> OKAY. GREAT. IT'S A LOT OF WORK. IT'S EXPENDITURE BASED ON YOUR BUDGET, THE REVENUE GOING INTO THE CITY IS TAXPAYERS. >> IT'S PART OF OUR PROCESS. IT'S WHAT WE DO NOW AND THERE'S NO REIMBURSEMENT. SO IT'S REALLY NOT CHANGING OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT WE'RE ADDING ONE PIECE OF PAPER WHICH IS THE HEARING NOTICE AND SCHEDULING IT FOR THE HEARING RIGHT AWAY. SO THE PROCESS IS KIND OF CHANGING BUT RIGHT NOW WE POSTTHE PROPERTY, WE SEND EVERYTHING CERTIFIED MAIL. WE SEND EVERYTHING REGULAR MAIL. THAT PROCESS IS NOT CHANGING BUT THE NOTICES ARE GOING OUT. SCHEDULED FOR A HEARING. IT'S JUST AN EXTRA PAPER ADDED IN. >> BUT THAT HAS, BROUGHT PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE. >> WE WOULD LOVE TO GET THE HEARING NOTICE. >> EXACTLY. YEAH, YEAH. SO THAT'S, CALCULATED THAT'S A PROPOSED YEAH. >> IT'S COERCION. WE'RE [03:35:01] TRYING TO GET SOMEBODY TO COMPLY. AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES YOU CAN SEND NOTICE AFTER NOTICE AFTER NOTICE. YOU SEND THEM A HEARING NOTICE AND SAY YOU'RE APPEARING IN FRONT OF THE MAGISTRATE. IT'S A WAKE UP CALL. >> RIGHT, IT'S HUMAN NATURE. >> YOU HAVE A PROBLEM. >> RIGHT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> I'M GOOD TONIGHT. >> EVERYBODY GOOD? >> I TRIED TO ANSWER EVERY QUESTION AHEAD OF TIME. >> YOU GAVE ME SOME STUFF TO WORK WITH. >> WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS. WE HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS. >> I WILL. SINCE I ASKED ALL THE QUESTIONS LAST TIME. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION 24-R38. >> SECOND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE. >> YOU HAD THE SECOND. THAT'S [14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.] WHAT I THOUGHT. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND MAYOR HUDSON. >> NEXT WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO THE DOWNTOWN CAR OWNERS AND SUSPENDING THE CAR SHOW. WE WOULD LOVE TO KEEP THE GOING. I FEEL WHEN YOU'RE HERE EVERY DAY YOU BECOME NUMB OF THEM. A TOURIST WOULD IMMEDIATELY NOTICE THEM. WE PAY A LOT OF TAXES BUT DOWNTOWN DOESN'T REALLY REFLECT THAT. YOU STEP BACK AND LOOK AROUND YOU WILL SEE THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT. THE BANNERS ON THE STREET, THE LAMP POSTS, A LOT OF THEM ARE MISSING AND I KNOW THAT THEY WERE REPLACED YEARS AGO BUT EVEN THE PRINT THEY REPLACED THEM WITH IS QUITE SMALL AND DOESN'T STAND OUT LIKE THE OLD ONES DID. JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT WHEN WE GO TO REORDER THEM MAYBE REDESIGN SOME OF THEM AGAIN. SUNRISE THEATER MARQUEE, AND I WROTE THIS TO SAY AT ONE OF THE LAST MEETINGS BUT WE'VE BEEN OUT OF THE COUNTRY. ON MAY 19TH, IT WAS STILL SHOWING THE ACTS FROM MAY 19TH AND THIS WAS ON JUNE 1ST. IF THERE AREN'T ANY SHOWS MAYBE PUT UP A CUTE SAYING BUT DON'T LEAVE IT BLANK OR KEEP SHOWS UP THAT ARE OVER TWO WEEKS OLD. THE PARKING, THE BARRICADES BEHIND THIS THEATER, WE ARE IN HURRICANE SEASON, AND WE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT THESE BEFORE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE THE PARKLETS REPURPOSES. WE'RE IN HURRICANE SEASON, WE'VE HAD SOME UNCANNY WEATHER ALREADY. THEY'RE USED TO POSTTHE THEATER ONLY PARKING SIGN WHICH IS THOSE KEEP COMING DETACHED. WHILE IT'S A GREAT IDEA, IT'S A BAD USE FOR THEM. I USWOULD LIKE TO GET THEM FIXE. THE ADVERTISING WITH THE TROLLIES AND GOLF CARTS SAY NOTHING ON THEM. THEY LOOK BLANK AND LOOK LIKE THEY'RE A PERSONAL GOLF CART. FREEBIE I UNDERSTAND THEY HANDLE THEIR OWN ADVERTISING. THE QR CODE ON THERE WHO'S GOING TO RUN UP AND TAKE A PICTURE OF IT. WE WERE TOLD YEARS AGO WE WERE GOING TO HAVE KIOSKS AROUND THE DOWNTOWN AREA AND EVEN SOME DIGITAL ONES AND THOSE HAVE NEVER COME TO FRUITION. WE'VE BEEN MADE A LOT OF PROMISES AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE GOING TO COME TO DOWNTOWN AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE HAD ANY OF THEM COME TRUE. HOW CAN WE ASK TO COME IN AND OR PROMOTE THE DOWNTOWN IF WE CAN'T GET SOME OF THESE THINGS FIXED. ALSO THE ADA, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THE PARKING SPACES, I KNOW I PREACH ABOUT THIS A LOT BUT ESPECIALLY IN MARINA SQUARE WE HAVE A LOT THAT AREN'T UP TO CODE. SOME MAY HAVE BLUE STRIPING, SOME MAY NOT HAVE SIGNS EVEN ON THE SAND LOTS YOU BACK OUT OF THE SPACE BUT YOU'RE IN DIRT AND YOU CAN'T GO AROUND. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THOSE ADDRESS. >> ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> HELLO AGAIN. I GUESS I JUMPED THE GUN THE FIRST TIME I GOT UP HERE. IT'S REALLY. >> STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN, SIR. >> JOC CHESTER, BENT CREEK DRIVE. AGAIN IT'S GOOD TO SEE THAT THE PARTIAL LEAN RELEASE POLICY IS THERE IF YOU GUYS TELL ME I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A FAIRLY COMPLICATED FILE. SO MY QUESTION AND I WILL PROBABLY TALK TO YOU DIRECTLY PEGGY IS FOR THE 4% CHARGE AGAINST THE [03:40:04] LIEN. IS IT THE OVER ALL LIEN BALANCE IN ITSELF OR IS IT THE LIEN ATTACHED TO THAT ONE PROPERTY? BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SPREAD OF LIENS WE COULD BE TALKING ABOUT FIVE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE A COMBINATION OF LIENS IN MY PARTICULAR SITUATION. I THINK THAT LIEN BALANCE IS ABOUT $2 MILLION. SO AT 4% IT WOULD BE ABOUT $80,000. SO I WASN'T SURE IF IT'S FOR ALL THE ENTIRE BALANCE OR JUST FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE REMOVING FROM THE LIEN? THAT'S IT. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. >> CHRIS GARDENER 207 ORANGE AVENUE. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO SAY TONIGHT. I WENT AROUND YESTERDAY AND TOOK A COUNT OF ALL THE CITY LIGHTS, PUBLIC, TALKING ABOUT LIGHTS AND FIVE CANDLES OR TWO CANDLES OR WHATEVER. THE CITY STREET LIGHTS HERE, THERE ARE 120 FROM ORANGE AVENUE TO INDIAN RIVER, FROM AVENUE B TO CITRUS, ON SECOND STREET. AND THEN AVENUE A. THERE'S 120 STREET LIGHTS. THERE ARE 62 THAT ARE MALFUNCTIONING RIGHT NOW. EITHER THEY DON'T WORK, THEY'RE ON AT THE WRONG TIMES OF THE DAY. THE EIGHT OR 12 ON THIS SIDE OF THIS BUILDING WERE ON ALL DAY TODAY. THE LIGHTS ON THIS SIDE WERE ON ALL DAY TODAY. I DON'T KNOW WHO PAYS THE POWER FOR THAT BUT I'M SURE THE TAXPAYERS DO. THE THEATER HAD A BIG SHOW THIS WEEKEND. THERE ARE NO LIGHTS, PUBLIC STREET LIGHTS WORKING OUTSIDE THE SUNRISE THEATER RIGHT NOW. SO, YOU WANT TO HASSLE PROPERTY OWNERS ABOUT THEIR STREET LIGHTS, THE CITY NEEDS TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MA'AM MAYOR HUDSON MR. MIMS AND THE COMMISSIONER. I STAND HERE TODAY BECAUSE LAST YEAR. FIRST OF ALL LET ME PUT UP THIS WAY. YOU KNOW MY HUSBAND, HE CAME TO COMMEMORATE A HOME WHEN YOU FIRST CAME ON. HE WAS IN A VERY HORRIFIC ACCIDENT. I WENT LAST YEAR AND SPOKE TO THE CITY MANAGER AND SPOKE TO MRS. ROBINSON ON THE PHONE. AND I THOUGHT WE WOULD GET A MEETING OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WAS AN INTENTION CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN UNDER ATTACK. I HAVE NOT HAD A MEETING AT THAT POINT. I SPOKE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SPOKE TO CASSANDRA DAVIS. TOLD HER ABOUT THE COMPLAINT. FILED A COMPLAINT AND THEN WHEN I WENT AND I WAITED FOR HEM TO GET A CALL BACK. THIS WAS ALL LAST YEAR. MY HUSBAND WAS FALSELY CHARGED WITH AN ACCIDENT THAT MRS. SARAH HEDGES AND I STAND HERE UNAFRAID TO SAY WHAT'S HAPPENED TO MY HUSBAND AND THE HORRIFIC THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED TO HIM. IT'S BEEN ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO BUT THE WALLS OF JERICHO ARE COMING DOWN TODAY BECAUSE I'M SICK AND TIRED OF BEING BULLIED AND SHUT UP BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO MY HUSBAND. BECAUSE SHANE HOLKES CHARGED MY HUSBAND WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF CRIMES. OF BEING DRUNK, CRASHING INTO SOMEBODY IN THE CAR. BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS HE WON THAT CASE. HE WON IN AN APPEAL IN COURT. IT CAME BACK BECAUSE SHE SENT IT OVER TO THE JUDGE. THEY HANDCUFFED HIM TO A BED IN THE HOSPITAL. HE WAS HELPFUL TO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. WE HAD A CHURCH. HE HAD A COMMUNITY LEADER IN THE CHURCH. HE HAD HIS BUSINESS FOR NINE YEARS ON DELAWARE AVENUE. HE WAS ON HIS WAY TO THE OFFICE ON DELAWARE AVENUE WHEN THE [03:45:13] HORRIFIC ACCIDENT HAPPENED. IT TURNED THE ACCIDENT AROUND BECAUSE THEY CHANGED THE STREET IT WAS ON. I MADE. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I MISSED AN APPOINTMENT. >> I SWITCH OFF. >> I SPOKE TO THE HR DEPARTMENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> IT'S ON. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO [15. COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER] ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO MOVEMENT. WE'LL MOVE ON. >> OKAY; WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER. >> WE LIKE TO END OUR MEETINGS ON A POSITIVE NOTE. AND PEGGY HAD A WONDERFUL EVENT THAT OCCURRED AND I WANT YOU TO COME BEFORE YOU AND TALK ABOUT THIS COLLABORATIVE EVENT THAT WE HAD. >> THIS WEEKEND WE HELD A MEGA ADOPTION EVENT HOSTED BY PET SMART. IT WAS LARGE, TREASURE COAST HUMANE SOCIETY. OUR ORGANIZATION THE PIERCE ANIMAL ADOPTION CENTER. LAST YEAR WE THOUGHT WE REALLY RANG THE BELL WHEN WE DID 29 ADOPTIONS LAST WEEKEND AND WE DID 23 ADOPTIONS THIS WEEKEND. 21 CATS AND 12 DOGS GOT NEW HOMES IN ONE DAY. WHAT WAS REALLY EXCITING AND HELPFUL WAS THAT IT WAS A TRUE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BECAUSE YOU HAD TO MOVE SOME 30 SOME ANIMALS TO THE FEND CENTER AND THEIR CAGE AND THEIR FOOD AND EVERYTHING THAT WENT ALONG WITH THAT. SO PUBLIC WORKS REALLY CHIPPED IN. MY STAFF CHIPPED IN THEY BROUGHT THEIR TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING. ALL TOGETHER, EVERYTHING WORKED AND SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST A MINOR MIRACLE WHEN EVERYTHING WORKS LIKE THAT. YES WE WERE VERY EXCITED. THE ADOPTION CENTER 33 ANIMALS OUT THE DOOR TO NEW HOMES THIS WEEKEND. >> WONDERFUL. I WENT LAST YEAR PEGGY, SOMEHOW IT SLIPPED UP ON ME I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS THIS YEAR. SO MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS ON OUR CALENDARS AS AN FYI. BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY A COLLABORATION WITH PORT ST. LUCIE AND THE COUNTY. >> I SAW THE SOCIAL MEDIA POSTABOUT IT I'M SORRY I MISSED IT. >> FOLLOWING ON THAT WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP IN JULY ACTUALLY WITH OUR PARTNER BCA TRI COUNTY. WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AN EVENT COMING UP. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> YOU WERE OUT AT THE FENCE CENTER WEREN'T YOU. >> THE FENCE CENTER WAS THIS PAST WEEKEND. >> YEAH, RIGHT. >> THE NEXT ONE IS GOING TO BE AT VCA. >> OH ON OKEECHOBEE ROAD. >> YES. >> A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING THERE. AND THAT'S, GOING GOOD. >> THAT'S WONDERFUL. GOOD NEWS, THANKS. >> IN ADDITION MA'AM MAYOR. MORE GOOD NEWS IS. >> I CAME TO LEARN THERE WAS A CHARGE WITH THE COMMUNITY'S CHILDREN. THE JACK BOAT RIDE POOL LINCOLN PARK REGIONAL PARK. SO I CONTACTED THE COUNTY AND SAID, LOOK MAN. WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW ALL OF OUR CHILDREN TO YOU KNOW, ACCESS THIS PUBLIC AMENITY FOR FREE. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING AS OF TODAY. EVERY CHILD THAT COMES TO THAT FACILITY WILL BE ALLOWED TO ACCESS THAT FACILITY THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER MONTHS THROUGH A COLLABORATION WITH FTP AND THE COUNTY. HAS ACCESS TO THAT FACILITY FOR FREE. IN ADDITION ST. LUCIE COUNTY DOES OFFER SWIM CLASSES, WATER SAFETY CLASSES BUT NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT SO WE'RE GOING TO HELP TRY TO GET THE WORD OUT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE AND MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR CHILDREN TO ATTEND MORE AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS, MORE MENTORING, MORE RECREATION. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT AND YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HEAR THAT FOR THE NEXT MONTHS. NOT TO JUST INCLUDE CHILDREN BUT ALSO FAMILIES. SO, AND OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP YOU WILL SEE A LITTLE SNIPET OF THAT AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO AND THAT WORKSHOP IS GOING TO BE NEXT MONDAY. SO, I THINK WE'RE FULL OF GOOD NEWS THERE AS WELL. WE'RE BALANCED ALREADY. AND I'LL BE MEETING WITH YOU MAYOR TOMORROW. AND I, THERE'S TWO OF YOU THAT HAVE CANCELED THE MEETINGS WITH ME. AND I NEED TO SPEAK TO YOU THIS WEEK SO I SINCERELY HOPE YOU ALL WILL MEET WITH US TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET. NO NAMES, YOU KNOW WHO [03:50:03] YOU ARE. >> THEY'RE LOOKING AT ME SAYING, IS IT ME. >> I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. ALL I'M SAYING MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WE MAINTAIN POSITIVITY AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER COMMUNITY FOOTPRINT AND BE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY MUCH MORE AND YOU WILL BE SEEING THAT HERE DIRECTLY. >> SO THAT IS THE POOL AT THE LINCOLN PARK REC CENTER RIGHT. >> YES, MA'AM. >> SO ANYBODY THAT LIVES IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY CAN GO THERE TO SWIM. >> ANY CHILD 17 AND UNDER. >> ANY CHILD 17 AND UNDER. >> INSTEAD OF HAVING A BARRIER OF WALKING AROUND WITH MONEY OR SOMETIMES CHILDREN JUST DON'T HAVE MONEY AVAILABLE. BUT THEY CAN GO THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO GET A SCHEDULE WHEN THE LIFE GUARDS ARE IN ATTENDANCE. AND THIS WILL BE A TRUE COLLABORATION WITH ST. LUCI E COUNTY AND WE'RE GOING TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY CHILDREN. >> AND WHEN THE SWIM CLASSES ARE? >> THAT I DON'T KNOW. >> BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A SCHEDULE FOR THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO PROMOTE THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. >> YES, MA'AM. YES, MA'AM. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. MIMS. AND JUST SOMETHING THAT I'VE COME ACROSS, WHEN WE DO THESE SWIM CLASSES, WE USUALLY FOCUS ON A CERTAIN AGE GROUP, 5 TO LITTLE KIDS. THERE ARE A LOT OF TEENAGERS. >> YOUNG PEOPLE. >> AND YOUNG ADULTS, AND OLDER ADULTS THAT DO NOT KNOW HOW TO SWIM AND LIVE IN FLORIDA. SO WITH THAT, WITH YOUR COOPERATION AND WHAT YOU SET UP WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY IT WOULD BE AWESOME IF, SOME OF THOSE DAYS I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF IT EXTENDS TO SATURDAY, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF IT'S AT LEAST ONE DAY WHERE WE CAN ENTICE OLDER TEENAGERS OR YOUNGER ADULTS TO COME AND LEARN HOW TO GET OUT OF THE POOL. A LOT OF THEM DON'T LIKE TO COME BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE TO SEE THE LITTLE KIDS NOT SWIM. BUT JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE, SO WE CAN DO AN ADULT NIGHT. BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT IN FRONT OF THE KIDS. BUT IF WE SAVE A LIFE THAT'S COMMEND COMMENDABLE. ANYTHING WE CAN DO FOR THE CHILDREN OF FORT PIECE. >> IS THERE A CHARGE FOR THE KIDS TO TAKE SWIM LESSONS. >> I BELIEVE THERE IS NOT. BUT I DON'T THINK THE WORD IS OUT. WE'RE GOING TO HEAVILY PUBLICIZE IT AND IF THERE IS A CHARGE, THEN WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON KNOCKING THAT DOWN AS WELL. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS. THAT'S A GREAT THING FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO PUT MONEY INTO. CAN'T GO WRONG WITH THAT. >> YES, SIR. >> IN FLORIDA EVERYBODY OUGHT TO KNOW HOW TO SWIM. >> YES. DEFINITELY. >> AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE MA'AM [16. COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION] MAYOR. >> MRS. COX. >> THANK YOU. >> MRS. HEDGES. >> READY. >> WE'LL MOVE ON. >> COMMENTS FROM THE CITY COMMISSIONER. >> WHO WOULD LIKE TO START. COMMISSIONER GAINES WOULD YOU LIKE TO START. >> A WEEK AGO TODAY, A WEEK AGO TODAY I WAS GIVEN MY PLAQUE FOR FINISHING MY CERTIFICATION CLASSES AND PINCHING BOARD. MA'AM CHAIR, PINCHING BOARD SO I'M OFFICIALLY A I GUESS CERTIFIED PINCHING TRUSTEE. WE WENT TO THAT CONFERENCE. GREAT CONFERENCE. THEY ARE ACTUALLY ADVERTISING FOR MAYBE ABOUT 30 PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THEY'VE STARTED WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL AN ADVANCED CLASS OR CERTIFICATION FOR TRUSTEES. I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA, I HAVEN'T DECIDED TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD. BUT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST WHEN WE GO TO RETIREMENT BOARD MEETING THAT WE SHOULD CITY OF FORT PIERCE IF POTENTIAL SHOULD HAVE ONE PERSON FROM OUR BOARD. I KNOW THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO KILL ME BUT ONE PERSON FROM OUR BOARD TRY TO GET IN THAT CLASS JUST TO GIVE US SOME MORE DETAIL AND SOME MORE BENEFITS ON HOW TO PROTECT THE MONEY AND BECOME BETTER. >> GREAT. >> BECOME BETTER RETIREES. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT CAME OUT DURING THAT CONFERENCE WAS THAT A LOT OF THE INVESTMENTS ARE NOW MOVING INTO THE GLOBAL MARKET. AND THEY WERE BASICALLY SAYINGNG, YOU KNOW, DON'T BE SCARED BUT BE SCARED. I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. DON'T [03:55:02] BE SCARED BUT BE SCARED. BUT THERE WAS A DUTY TO PROTECT AND TO ENHANCE OUR PLAN AND OUR MONEY. AND WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT. BUT I JUST WANT TO REPORT THAT I DID GO TO THE, YOU KNOW TO THE CONFERENCE AND I'M NOW YOU KNOW CONSIDERED WELL OFFICIALLY THEY GAVE ME MY PLAQUE THAT I AM A CERTIFIED PENSION PLAN TRUSTEE. >> CONGRATULATIONS. >> WHATEVER IT'S CALLED SO I DID DO THAT. ON A NOTE THAT I WANT ALL MY COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR TO LOOK INTO, THEY ARE THERE. AND I TALKED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND HE INFORMED ME THAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT, BUT OUR RESIDENTS ARE BEING AFFECTED. THERE'S A PROGRAM CALLED REBUILD FLORIDA. AND A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE JOINED THAT PROGRAM. AND THEY TWO TO THE THEY GO THROUGH THE PROGRAM, THEY DO EVERYTHING. BUT THEY'RE LEFT WITH THE SHABBIEST PRODUCTS YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO STAY IN. AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY TO TURN AROUND TO TO ASK FOR HELP. I'VE BEEN CONTACTED WITH A LOT OF THEM. I HAD ONE YOUNG LADY, I ASKED HER, YOU KNOW TO CONTACT ANOTHER COMMISSIONER. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE DID OR DIDN'T BECAUSE I WANTED HIM TO SEE WHAT I SAW. BUT IF YOU CAN, IF THE FIVE OF US CAN GO LOOK AT AND SEE BECAUSE THESE RESIDENTS OF OURS ARE CALLING FOR HELP AND THEY'RE JUST GETTING THE RUN AROUND. >> IT'S REHABILITATION OF THEIR HOUSE. >> THE COMPANY IS CALLED REBUILD FLORIDA. AND WE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SENT THEM THERE OR THEY GOT DIRECTION TO GO THERE. THEY GOT DIRECTION TO GO THERE. IT'S HOW DO YOU GET TO REBUILD FLORIDA. >> IT'S A GRANT. >> IT'S NOT THROUGH THE STATE OF FLORIDA BUT IT'S AFFECTING OUR RESIDENTS AND THEY'RE GETTING THE ROUND AROUND AND THEY'RE FEELING HOPELESS AND THEY'RE REACHING OUT. SO I'M ASKING EACH ONE OF US TO GO LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT THE PROGRAM AND SEE IF ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE APPLIED FOR IT ARE NOW BASICALLY WE'VE DONE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING ELSE YOU EITHER TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT AND THEY'RE PUTTING THEMSELVES IN DANGEROUS HOMES THAT YOU CLOSE THE DOOR AND YOU CAN STILL SEE OUTSIDE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST IN FLORIDA THAT'S JUST NOT IT. AND THOSE ARE JUST OTHER THINGS. YOU KNOW, MAJOR HOLES WITH PIPES COMING OUT OF THE HOUSES AND STUFF. SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT I WANT US TO BE AWARE OF. BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T TALK TO YOU ANY OTHER TIMES OTHER THAN HERE. SO, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU LOOK AT THAT PROGRAM AND IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY LET THEM KNOW THAT YOU KNOW WE NEED SOME ANSWERS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DOING, YOU KNOW OUR CITIZENS RIGHT THROUGH THIS PROGRAM SO THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. AND I THINK THAT'S IT MA'AM MAYOR FOR TONIGHT. SORRY FOR BEING LATE. AS YOU KNOW I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE HERE. >> I DIDN'T THINK YOU LATE. I THINK YOU WERE ON TIME. >> I MISSED THE PRAYER. I ALWAYS NEED THE PRAYER. I DID SAY THE PLEDGE. I WAS STANDING IN THE BACK TO SAY THE PLEDGE. BUT I WANTED TO BE HERE BECAUSE I HATE, SOMETIMES YOU JUST NEED TO BE HERE ESPECIALLY WHEN I READ THE AGENDA. I SAID I NEEDED TO BE HERE FOR THAT. SO IF I'M RAMBLING AND SOUND TIRED BECAUSE I AM. BUT I JUST WANT. >> THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE EFFORT. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT. SO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> MR. GAINES I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT ISSUE WITH REBUILD FLORIDA WHATEVER THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM IS FURTHER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT FALLS INTO MY AREA OF EXPERTISE. SO I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DELVE INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL. I'M VERY EXCITED WITH THE REPORT THAT PEGGY GAVE. SHE'S OUT THE DOOR. I'M ASSUMING. I DID NOT ATTEND THE EVENT BUT IT WILL BE A CALENDAR FOR ME IN THE FUTURE. THAT'S FOR CERTAIN. MY WIFE LOVES THAT STUFF. SO. >> YEAH IT'S A FEEL GOOD TIME. I TELL YOU. >> SHE WILL ADOPT 30 ANIMALS HERSELF. SO, OTHER THAN THAT. I KNOW COMMISSIONER GAINES IS LOOKING AT ME WHEN IT COMES TO THE RETIRE TRUSTEE SCENARIO. [04:00:01] >> I'M JUST MESSING WITH YOU. >> HE'S GOING TO STICK THE APPLICATION ON MY DESK AT THE NEXT RETIREMENT BOARD MEETING, I'M CERTAIN OF THAT TO SIGN UP FOR THE FIRST COURSE OF THAT. OTHER THAN THAT I JUST DON'T REALLY, HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. EXCEPT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE SWIMMING LESSONS. THAT'S CRITICAL MASS STUFF. THE KIDS CAN GET THEMSELVES OUT OF HARMS WAY BY GETTING OUT OF A POOL OR GETTING OUT OF THE SURF SAFELY. THAT'S JUST, IT'S JUST BASELINE, BASELINE KIDS GROWING UP STUFF. YOU KNOW, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING INFORMATION ON THAT FROM CITY MANAGER. >> COMMISSIONER C JOHNSON. >> MA'AM MAYOR SO I WILL START ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. UNFORTUNATELY I'M ALL TOO FAMILIAR WITH REBUILD FLORIDA AND THE SITUATION HERE. I'VE DEALT WITH PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT THAT HAVE HAD THIS ISSUE. I WAS OUT OF A YEAR FOR TWO YEARS. I MET WITH A RESPECTIVE FROM REBUILD FLORIDA HERE AND EXPRESSED THAT CONCERN ABOUT THE PROCESS THAT THEY WERE GOING THROUGH TO ACTUALLY GET BACK INTO THEIR HOUSE AND GETTING PAST INSPECTION. I THINK THIS ISSUE IS BIGGER THAN US. WE HAVE GOT TO ENGAGE OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES WHO FUND THIS PROGRAM TO IDENTIFY AND GET THEM INVOLVED BECAUSE THE MONEY THAT COMES IS THROUGH THE STATE. AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE LISTEN AND WE CAN MOVE BUT I THINK MY ABILITY NOW IS TO ENGAGE THAT STATE LEGISLATOR AT A LEVEL TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE GAPS IN THEIR TERRITORY. WE HAVE A STATE LEGISLATOR THAT HAS, LET'S SAY OUR CITY RIGHT, AN AREA THAT SHE NEEDS TO HEAR THIS. SHE NEEDS TO SEE THIS, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY NO SUNSHINE VIOLATION WITH YOU AND HER GOING OR WHOEVER CAN GO WITH REPRESENTATIVE BOLSEY AND THE REST OF THEM. IT DOESN'T MATTER, GAIL, SENATOR HERALD IT DOESN'T MATTER. >> AARON GRAHL. >> GRAHL, THEY ALL NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE MISUSE OF THESE FUNDS AND THE POOR CONSTRUCTION THAT'S BEING DONE WITH THESE MONEYS. AND SO I EMPATHIZE AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I THINK THAT'S THE ROLE WE NEED TO PLAY NOW IN OUR OWN WAY THAT WE ENGAGE OUR REPRESENT IS HERE TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF THAT. MY COMMITMENT IS TO MAKE A CALL TO THEM. AND POINT THEM SPECIFICALLY TO THE ONE CASE I WAS INVOLVED WITH. BUT I WILL POINT THEM TO YOU COMMISSIONER AND WHAT YOU HEARD OF AND VICE VERSA. I WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSIONER TONIGHT FOR HEARING FROM NEW HORIZONS. GOT A TEXT FROM THEM ALREADY THAT IT'S BEEN RECEIVED WELL AND THEY'VE GOTTEN SOME CALLS ALREADY AS A RESULT OF TONIGHT. SO I JUST ENCOURAGE US TO CONTINUE TO FIND IN OUR OWN WAYS AND OUR ENGAGEMENT IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND GROUPS THAT YOU'RE IN TO TRY TO GET THIS INFORMATION IN FRONT OF AS MANY GROUPS AND PEOPLE AND OPPORTUNITIES AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN. BECAUSE YOU NEVER CAN TELL WHO'S GOING THROUGH STUFF. MENTAL HEALTH HAS NO COLOR, IT HAS NO AGE. IT KNOWS NO BOUNDS. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT ALL THE CIRCLES THAT WE TRAVEL IN THAT WE TRY TO GET THIS SERVICE IN FRONT OF THEM AND YOU NEVER CAN TELL THAT THEY MAY JUST STOP THE NEXT SITUATION BY LISTENING TO SOMEONE THAT'S AT THAT POINT. THAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO HARM. AND, YOU KNOW OUR COMMUNITY THAT ASKS FOR THIS, I JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO CALL 211. WHATEVER THAT MENTAL HEALTH SITUATION IS. I ALSO KNOW THAT NEW HORIZONS IS WORKING WITH OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TEAM WHEN THEY GET THOSE SPECIFIC CALLS FOR MENTAL HEALTH THAT THEY ARE MOVING TO ASSIST THE POLICE OFFICERS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AS THEY ENGAGE PEOPLE WITH THIS. AND I'VE SPENT SOME TIME IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT WE GET IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR MENTAL HEALTH IS UNBELIEVABLE. AND THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES THAT WE ACTUALLY MOVE TO ADDRESS THIS IS ASTONISHING TO ME. THAT YOU MOVE AN ENGINE, A RESCUE WAGON AND A POLICE DEPARTMENT AT THE SAME TIME FOR A MENTAL HEALTH CASE. AND THAT HAPPENS EIGHT, 10 TIMES A NIGHT IN SOME CASES IN OUR CITY OF FORT PIERCE. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEN FINALLY, I JUST YOU KNOW WISH ALL OF YOU A SAFE AND HAPPY FOURTH HOLIDAY AS WE CELEBRATE FOURTH OF JULY AND BE SAFE WITH THE FIREWORKS AND YOU KNOW I'M [04:05:02] SURE THERE'LL BE A BEAUTIFUL DISPLAY ON THE WATER SOME WHERE DOWN HERE. RIGHT. BUT I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE THOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS ALSO TO BE SAFE AND BE COURTEOUS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW. >> I KNOW. >> LET'S START AT A REASONABLE TIME AND END AT A REASONABLE TIME. THINK OF THE PETS AND THE HUMANS. AND SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE NOT FIREWORKS. THEY'RE MORTAR ROUNDS THAT WE'RE SETTING OFF. BUT LET'S JUST BE CAREFUL PLEASE. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF OUR CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH. THIS FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES MEETING IS GOING TO BE BIG. A NUMBER OF US ARE UP FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO CHAIR MAYOR BOARDS FOR THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. WE'VE GOT A NEW PRESIDENT COMING IN IN MR. BLAKE, MAYOR BLAKE OUT OF MICHAEL BLAKE YEAH. SO IT'S GOING TO BE AN ACTUAL GREAT CONVENTION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH MY COLLEAGUES AS WE CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND LAST THING I SAID, I'VE SEEN SOME INTERESTING ARTICLES RECENTLY FPRA. I GET THEIR NEWSLETTERS FOR SOME REASON. THERE'S SOME AMAZING THINGS THEY'RE DOING IN OUR CITIES CITIES TO ADDRESS HOMELESSNESS AND PUT SOME THINGS IN PLACE. MR. MIMS I'M GOING TO BE RESCHEDULING OUR MEETING FOR FRIDAY. SO WE'RE GOING TO FIND SOME TIME ON FRIDAY, SIR. THAT WE IS SIT DOWN AND TALK BUDGET AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE IDEAS FOR THE FBAR. THANK YOU. HAPPY FRIDAY TO YOU. >> HE SEEMS EXCITED FOR THAT. >> YEAH, YEAH. HE'S RIGHT. >> YOU THROW PUNCHES, I THROW BACK. >> COMMISSIONER J JOHNSON. >> THE FIREWORKS ARE GOING OFF AT 9:00. SO WHEN WILL WE BE IN BED? SO, FOURTH FOURTH OF JULY, IS JUST GLAD TO HAVE THE PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. FRIDAY FEST IS THURSDAY FEST THIS MONTH. THE CELEBRATION STARTS AT 5:30, 6:00, 6:30. SOME WHERE AROUND THERE. JUST GO DOWNTOWN. IT'LL BE FUN. AND CATCH THE FIREWORKS AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. >> ALL NIGHT. >> HOPEFULLY NOT ALL NIGHT. >> ALL NIGHT. >> YEAH, ESPECIALLY ON A THURSDAY. FRIDAY EVE, THAT'S RIGHT. >> ALL NIGHT. >> REBUILD FLORIDA. I'M LOOKING IT UP SO I HAD A QUESTION. IS THAT THE ONE, I'VE SEEN THIS PROGRAM BEFORE BUT AFTER NATURAL DISASTERS OR HURRICANES. IS IT THAT ONE? >> THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUALIFIERS TO KIND OF GET IN IS IF YOU HAD LIKE DAMAGE FROM YOUR HOUSE FROM STORMS ETC. YOU WOULD APPLY AND THEY WOULD COME AND DO AN ASSESSMENT. IT WOULD REQUIRE A TOTAL REBUILD OR WHATEVER IT WAS. BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUALIFIERS TO GET YOU IDENTIFIED THAT YOU QUALIFY FOR THIS PROGRAM. >> IF I RECALL THAT WAS PART OF THE PROGRAM THAT I REMEMBER. SO WE HAVE A LOCAL SOURCE CALLED OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE FIRSTHAND, YOU KNOW, THEY SHOULD HAVE FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S BEING INSTALLED OR NOT INSTALLED CORRECTLY. SO WE HAVE A DIRECT COMMUNICATION LINE THERE. IF THEY PULLED A PERMIT AND BUT WE SHOULD REACH OUT TO OUR LEGISLATORS AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN ADDITION TO OUR BUILDING OFFICIAL. BECAUSE WE SHOULD ALL EVERY PROJECT LIKE THAT WILL HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT. SO, YOU KNOW WE HAVE DIRECT POINT. >> YEAH. >> SO WE CAN DO MORE THAN WE THINK, I BELIEVE. I THINK IT WILL HELP. I THINK IT'LL HELP FOR SURE. WHAT ELSE DID I HAVE? THAT WAS BASICALLY IT BUT JUST HAVING A GOOD, A GOOD SAFE WEEKEND AND JUST GLAD THAT WE'RE, I LIKE BUDGET TIME. YOU GUYS THINK I'M CRAZY BUT I LIKE BUDGET TIME. IT'S GOOD TO THINK AND FORECAST WHAT WE THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN ADDITION TO THE POSITIVITY OF WHAT WE CAN DO, WE'VE GOT RECORD BREAKING NUMBERS. FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND YOU KNOW, TERRITORY, TAX REVENUE. WE HAVE TO BE EFFICIENT. WE HAVE TO BE YOU KNOW, ON TASK WITH PUTTING BUDGET DOLLARS AWAY FOR FUTURE YEARS, FUTURE GENERATIONS. TAKING CARE OF OUR ROADS AND OUR YOU KNOW RESOURCES. OUR WATERWAYS WHICH WE TALK ABOUT. I JUST DROVE DOWN INDIAN RIVER DRIVE. LIKE 10 TIMES THIS PAST WEEKEND FOR SOME REASON AT LIKE 20, 26-MILES-AN-HOUR. >> YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY. >> IT WAS AT 25 MILES PER HOUR FOR SPOTS. AND BUT I WAS NOTICING YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAVE [04:10:01] OUR OUTFALL FROM THE GEORGIA AVENUE BASIN COMING FROM SAVANNAH ROAD, INTO INDIAN RIVER LAGOON WHICH WE'VE CONNECTED I THINK IT'S, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE'RE DISCHARGING THERE NOW. IT'S NOT A BAD THING, I'M JUST SAYING I NOTICED IT. BECAUSE I THINK WE OWN PROPERTY ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE WITH AN EASEMENT. WE ACTUALLY OWN THE PARCEL. I SAW THE OYSTER MATS AND THAT IS WHAT I TOOK MOTE OF. NOTE OF. THAT WE HAVE THAT INTEGRATION OF OUR FRESH WATER INTO OUR BRACKISH WATER LAGOON AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO RESTORE THE HEALTH FOR ALL PEOPLE. IT WAS ODD ENOUGH THAT I WAS WITH SOME FOLKS ON SUNDAY AND WE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW RED TIDE AFFECTS THE MEETING. AND I SAID NO WE DON'T HAVE OKEECHOBEE. AND I HAD TO EXPLAIN THE WHOLE THING AND THEY SAID WOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. THEIR FAMILIES ARE FROM HERE BUT THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERING MOVING BACK. IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THE PERS PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'RE CONNECTED. WE ARE BY THE LAGOON: WE'RE STILL DOING OUR PART, WE TRY EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT'S WHY I GET EXCITED WITH THE BUDGET. THAT'S WHERE I'M ADD. >> A LOT OF GOOD THINGS ARE HAPPENING, SOMETIMES. >> I'LL BE QUICK. WHEN WE ASKED FOR REGISTRATION THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A SIGN. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A LITTLE GYM. THERE'S SOME THAT COME FROM THE STATE THAT ARE PRETTY UNIFORM, I THINK THEY'RE BROWN. AND THEY DESIGNATE A HISTORIC SITE. MAYBE WE CAN GET SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA: BECAUSE THE LINES DID IT AT OLD FORT PARK I THINK. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD REQUEST. SPEAKING OF FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. THE GOVERNOR VETOED THE SHORT TERM RENTAL BILL. AND SO, ANY CITY THOUGHT LOCAL GOVERNMENT OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND NOT STATE. AND THAT'S A GOOD THING FOR US. >> VERY GOOD TO SEE THAT. >> VERY GOOD THING FOR US. >> THEY'RE TRYING TO SUCKER ME IN ON THEIR COMMITTEE. >> THEY ARE? >> I SAID NO. >> MY FIRST TIME EVER SAYING NO I THINK. >> THEY SENT IT TO ALL COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY COMMISSIONERS AND THEY'RE ASKING, THEY'RE HAVING A BIG EVENT NEXT YEAR AND THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR YEARS TO HAVE DELAWARE AVENUE. >> THEY'VE BEEN ASKING SINCE I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE I WENT TO JOHN CAROL. >> OH, DEAR. >> NOW I'M REALLY DEPRESSED. >> THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF GOVERNMENT EARLIER. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> WELL, PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE'VE BEEN HAVING IS EVERYBODY ASKS ABOUT DELAWARE. WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS ON DELAWARE AVENUE. AND A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS DO NOT KNOW THAT. THEY JUST THINK IT'S A CITY ROAD AND THE CITY SHOULD FIX IT. AND IT'S NOT THERE'S PART OF IT THAT BELONG TO OUR COUNTY, SOME THAT BELONG TO THE STATE. I THINK THE FIRST THING WE HAVE TO DO IS, WHAT WE CAN ADDRESS IS WHAT WE CAN ACTUALLY CONTROL. AND THE OTHER THING IS YES WE CAN PARTNER WITH OUR COUNTIES AND WHEN CAN WE ADDRESS THIS. AND WHAT IS THE PART THAT THEY HAVE CONSTRUCT A ROAD. THEY DON'T KNOW THIS IS [04:15:03] NOT JUST A FORT PIERCE ROAD. >> THEY KNOW, THEY KNOW. >> BUT I THINK WE CAN PARTNER WITH OUR COUNTY TO HELP MOVE THAT FURTHER ALONG MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. >> WE ALL NEED TO TALK TO COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND FIND OUT WHERE IT IS ON THE LIST. >> EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. >> WHERE IS IT IS ON THEIR LIST TO FIX. >> ALSO TAKE A SMALLER NIBBLE. PROBABLY WHERE THE MOST FOCUS IS IF YOU WERE TO TALK TO THEM INDIVIDUALLY. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHURCH. IT'S THE ENTRANCE TO TWO SCHOOLLESS. -- SCHOOLS. IT'S A BIG DIVOT, IT'S A BILL JUMP. AND EVERYBODY RACES OVER IT TO SEE HOW HIGH THEY CAN JUMP. AND THAT'S REAL. THAT'S REAL. I WILL NOT SAY HOW EXPERIENCED THAT. IN 30 MINUTES IT'S HALF HOUR. IT'S IMPROVED WITH CITY TYPE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'RE HALF WAY THERE BUT IT NEEDS A TOTAL REBUILD NOW. MAYBE WE CAN JUST DO AN INTERSECTION OR COME UP WITH SOME IDEA. YOU HAVE ANOTHER HISTORIC PART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WHETHER IT WAS IN THE CITY, 70 YEARS OR NOT BUT IT'S STILL HISTORICAL. >> THEY SAID THERE WAS GOING TO BE A CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION. I THOUGHT THEY WERE OLDER THAN THAT. >> MORE THAN I SAID. >> YEAH. YES, SIR. >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING. >> PLEASE. >> WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME. WE WENT TO A JOINT MEETING. >> RIGHT. >> THE COUNTY WAS COMPLAINING TO US ABOUT THEIR ROAD. AND I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO, I'M JUST, I THINK WHAT WE CAN DO WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT AN INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT. WE CAN LOOK AT THE APPROACHING TO THE DELAWARE AND 33RD STREET INTERSECTION. WE CAN LOOK AT CREATING A BETTER GRADE FOR A SMOOTHER RIDE. I REALLY THINK I CAN DO THIS. I BELIEVE THERE'S A STRAIN POLE. SO WE CAN PUT SOME MAST ARM ASSEMBLING UP THERE. SOME PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT. IF WE GET WITH THIS I CAN GET WITH GEORGE LANDRY AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK OUT A TYPE OF AGREEMENT SO WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT INTERSECTION. SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON JENKINS AND EDWARDS. >> YES. >> NOW THAT ONE WE HAD A DEVELOPER TO CONTRIBUTE. AND IT'S GOING TO HELP BUILD. BUT JUST, JUST DUE TO THE FACT THT THIS IS LONG OVERDUE. WE'LL TAKE THOSE INITIAL STEPS. SO I'LL GET WITH GEORGE AND SEE WHAT WE CAN WORK OUT. >> THANK YOU. >> I WOULD APPRECIATE IT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT INSTITUTION IN OUR CITY. AND IT'S AND THEY'VE ASKED FOR OUR HELP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND SO, IF THE COUNTY ISN'T GOING TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF CREATIVE IDEA, WE CAN. >> OKAY, SO. HERE'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. I THINK WE SHOULD ADJOURN. WHAT DO YOU THINK? AND, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS TURN OUT THE LIGHTS AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE GOING OUT OF THE AND WE'RE GOING TO, IF * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.