Sep 09, 2024 City Commission Regular Meeting

[1. Call to Order]

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>>> I LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH, AND THIS IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMMISSION.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL

>>> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. HUDSON? COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, COMMISSIONER GAINES . COMMISSIONER JOHNSON .

[4. Approval of Minutes]

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >>> THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 24TH , 2024 MEETING.

>> COMMISSIONER ROGER, COMMISSIONER GAINES,

[6. Additions or deletions to agenda and approval of the agenda.]

>> ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA, IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. IT IS MOTIONED AND SECONDED.

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> NEXT IS COMMENTS FROM THE

PUBLIC. >> IF THERE IS ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE

[a. SUN Trail Port Connector Feasibility Study results presentation.]

AND WE WILL MOVE ON. >> NEXT IS THE SUN TRAIL PORT CONNECTOR FEASIBILITY STUDY RESULTS PRESENTATION.

>> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS , WE HAVE MR. PETER BUCK WHILE HERE, EXECUTOR OF COUNTY CO, HE WILL TALK TO US ABOUT THE SUN TRAIL PROJECT AND I THINK HE IS BEING ASSISTED BY SELENA GRIFFIN, FROM OUR ENGINEERING

DEPARTMENT. >> WELCOME, MR. BUCK WHILE.

GOOD MORNING, WHILE I GET STRAPPED IN HERE. IT IS GREAT TO BE BACK. 18 YEARS AGO, BEING IN THE SEAT, PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AS A PLANNING MANAGER, I ALWAYS LOOKED TOWARDS COMING BACK AND BEING ABLE TO PRESENT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. 20 BEHALF OF THE ST. LOUIS TRANSIT AUTHORITY ASSOCIATION, WE ARE THRILLED TO BRING ANOTHER TRANSPORTATION AUTHORITY IMPROVEMENT TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, KNOWN AS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CONNECTOR. THIS PROJECT IS A PART OF THE NONMOTORIZED TRAIL PROGRAM , ALSO KNOWN AS THE CENTRAL PROGRAM, ESTABLISHED BY THE FLORIDA LEGISLATOR IN 2015 , AND WHICH PROVIDES $50 MILLION OF STATE FUNDING ANNUALLY TO PLAN, DESIGN, AND CONSTRUCT THE SUN TRAIL NETWORK DEPICTED ON THE SCREEN . SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE PROGRAM, THE PTO AND ITS AGENCIES HAVE BEEN AGGRESSIVELY PURSUING THE SUN TRAIL FUNDING TO IMPLEMENT THE PORTION THAT EXTENDS SOUTH AND NORTH THROUGH THE PTO AREA. THIS PORTION OF THE SUN TRAIL THROUGH THE PTO AREA IS A PART OF THE EAST COAST GREENWAY, THAT IS DEPICTED ON THE SCREEN, A PAYMENT, MOSTLY OFF-ROAD, SHARED USE PATHS THAT CONNECTS 15 STATES UPWARDS OF 50 CITIES AND TOWNS FOR 3000 MILES OF FLORIDA DOMAIN. THE PTO HAS BEEN WORKING TO IMPLEMENT THESE EAST COAST GREENWAY THROUGH THE PTO FOR MORE THAN 15 YEARS . AFTER THE FIRST SEGMENT, THE PARKWAY TRAIL OPEN IN PORT ST. LUCIE IN THE 2000'S. WHEN THE SUN TRAIL PROGRAM WAS ENACTED, WE JUMPED ON IT BECAUSE WE HAD ALREADY COMPLETED THE PRELIMINARY WORK FOR THE ALIGNMENT THROUGH THE SOUTH PTO AREA. THE SUN TRAIL EAST COAST GREENWAY FOR THE PTO IS COMPRISED OF NINE SEGMENTS, WHICH ARE IN VARIOUS STAGES OF DEVELOPMENT AND INCLUDE THE FORT PIERCE CONNECTOR THAT WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU TODAY FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND ENDORSEMENTS. WHEN IT IS COMPLETED, THE FLORIDA SUN TRAIL AND EAST COAST GREENWAY WILL EXTEND MORE THAN 20 MILES SOUTH AND NORTH FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE PTO AREA WITH ALMOST NINE MILES WITHIN THE WORD PIERCE CITY LIMITS. LET'S TAKE A TOUR OF THE FLORIDA SUN TRAIL AND PTO DESCRIBE THE SEGMENTS AND STAGES OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT, STARTING AT THE SOUTH END, WITH THE ORIGINAL GREENWAY PARKWAY TRAIL IN PORT ST. LUCIE, EXTENDING FROM THE MARK COUNTY LINE TO WALTON ROAD. BECAUSE OF ITS AGE NOW , THIS TRAIL IS SHOWING SOME WEAR. THE GREENWAY PARKWAY TRAIL RECEIVED A FACELIFT WITH PTO FUNDING NEXT FISCAL YEAR. TRAVELING NORTH, WE MOVE IN THE SAVANNA RESERVES DATE PARKWAY CALF, COMPOSED OF A SOUTH FACE AND A NORTH FACE, WITH THE SOUTH FACE EXTENDING FROM WALTON ROAD TO KITTERMAN ROAD, ANDY NORTH FACE EXTENDING FROM KITTERMAN ROAD TO MIDWAY ROAD BEFORE IT ENTERS THE CITY LIMITS AT THE SAVANNA'S RECREATION AREA. BOTH OF THESE PHASES ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AT A COST OF ALMOST 16 1/2 MILLION DOLLARS OF CENTRAL FUNDING AND ARE SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETED JUST OVER A YEAR FROM NOW. MOVING FURTHER NORTH , AS THE SAVANNA'S RECREATION GREENWAY COMPLETED BY THE CITY

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ACROSS THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THE OVERPASS IS UNDER THE SIGN OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION , WHICH WILL COLLECT THE SAVANNA'S RECREATION AREA TO THE INDIAN HILLS RECREATION AREA. WITH THE BEAUTIFUL PEDESTRIAN OVERPASS TO PROVIDE A SINGLE OUTLOOK ACROSS THE SAVANNA PRISONER.

THIS PROGRAM IS PROJECT IT FOR CONSTRUCTION IN FISCAL YEAR 2027 AT A COST OF OVER $5 MILLION, WHICH BRINGS US TO THE INDIAN HILLS RESERVATION AREA , CONSTRUCTED BY THE CITY SUN TRAIL FUNDING ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO AND STRADDLED BOTH SIDES OF SAVANNA'S WROTE AND TAKES US TO THE INDIAN HILLS GOLF COURSE IN A SEGMENT KNOWN AS THE HISTORIC HIGHWAY TRAIL GAP .

THIS SEGMENT EXTENDS FROM THE INDIAN HILLS RECREATION AREA TO GEORGIA AVENUE AND IS PRESENTLY-- THE CITY IS READILY SOLICITING BIDS FOR ITS CONSTRUCTION WITH SUN TRAIL FUNDING. FROM JORDAN GEORGIA AVENUE, WE MOVED FROM THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE AREA, DESIGNED BY THE CITY WITH SUN TRAIL FUNDING AND WILL EXTEND THE GEORGIA AVENUE IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, INCLUDING THE SALE OF THE BOAT DRIVE, AND ALONG TO CONNECT TO THE CITY'S INDIAN RIVER DRIVE IMPROVEMENTS CONSTRUCTED WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GRANT THE CITY WITH FROM THE STATE . OVER TO THE RIVERWALK, AND UNDER THE SOUTH CAUSEWAY BRIDGE, AND FORT PIERCE . THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE CONNECTOR, THE SUBJECT OF FEASIBILITY STATE THAT WE PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. MOVING NORTH FROM A FORT PIERCE CONNECTOR , UNDER THE NORTH DIXIE HIGHWAY TRAIL CONVERSION THAT IS UNDER DESIGNED BY THE COUNTY AND INCLUDES CONVERSION OF OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY AND REPLACEMENT OF THE BRIDGE OVER TAYLOR CREEK, INTO A ONE-WAY, NORTHBOUND VEHICLE WEIGHT WITH A SHARED USE PATHS UNTIL SUNNY LANE , WHERE OLD DIXIE HOBBY CONTINUES WITH ONE LANE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS AND THE SHARED USE PATHS EXTENDED INTO THE SIDE OF OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY, TO NORTH CAUSEWAY BRIDGE THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY THE WARLORD OR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WITH A COST OF OVER $111 MILLION. AND FEATURES A SHARED USE PATHS THAT WILL WIDEN UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE , BUT ACROSS THE INDIAN RIVER ALONG THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BREACH, TO THE NORTH HUTCHISON ISLAND , WHERE WE ENTER THE FINAL SEGMENT, THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON SCENIC HIGHWAY, OR NORTH STATE ROUTE 1A DESIGN UNDER DESIGNED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION .

THIS SEGMENT EXTENDS ALONG NORTH A1 A , ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH RIVER COUNTY LINE . WHILE THERE ALREADY IS AN EXISTING SIDEWALK AND BICYCLE LANE ASIDE WITH BOTH GREENWAY SIGNAGE, IN FACT, AT THE TIME THAT THE SIGNS WERE DESIGNED, THEY WERE THE FIRST BE ON THE STATE ROADWAY SYSTEM IN THE ENTIRETY OF FLORIDA. THE PATH WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THIS SEGMENT AT A COST OF MORE THAN $7.5 MILLION THAT WILL TRAVEL TO NY STATE PARK ON THE WEST SIDE, OVER TO THE INDIAN RIVER AND THE BEACH, AND CROSS OVER ON THE BEACH IN THE IS SIDE . YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN, THE YELLOW PORTION , THAT SEGMENT WILL BE ALONG THE LAGOON SIDE AND THE BLUE PORTION IS THE BEACHSIDE . THEY WILL BE CROSSING SAFELY AT SIGNALIZED MIDBLOCK CROSSINGS BETWEEN BOTH LOCATIONS . CONSTRUCTION OF THE SEGMENT'S PROGRAM TO FISCAL YEAR ' MAC 2027 THROUGH 2028.

IN RECOGNITION REALLY NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TREPIDATION AND OUR PARTNERS AT DISTRICT FOUR FOR SECURING THE FUNDING AND SUPPORTING THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS PROJECT AND FOR LOCAL AGENCIES, INCLUDING JACK ANDREWS AND SELENA GRIFFITH FROM YOUR STAFF. FOR THAT, WE THANK THEM. THIS IS TRULY A SHINING EXAMPLE OF THE COOPERATIVE EFFORTS ALONG THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE PTO. WE DO HAVE ONE GAP REMAINING , THAT BEING THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE CONNECTOR, WHICH WILL CONNECT CENTRAL AND EAST COAST GREENWAY FROM ALL DIXIE HIGHWAY INTO THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE . HERE TO PRESENT FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND ENDORSEMENT, THE RESULTS OF THE FEASIBILITY STUDY, THE FORT OF PORT YEARS-- PORT OF FORT PIERCE CONNECTOR, MR. STEWART. DO YOU WANT TO ADVANCE IT OR TELL ME WHEN TO ADVANCE THE? YOU WANT TO SIT HERE?

>> I WILL JUST TELL YOU WHAT TO ADVANCE IT, EASIER. THAT WAY, WE DON'T HAVE TO MOVE. GOOD MORNING.

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>> WELCOME. >> MAYOR , COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS STUART ROBERTSON WITH KIMBERLY HORN , PLEASED TO BE HERE WITH YOU PRESENTING THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE CONNECTOR GAP STUDY THAT WE HAVE BEEN CONNECTING FOR THE PTO , BUT ALSO IN CLOSE COORDINATION WITH YOUR STAFF, AS WELL AS THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE STAFF AS WELL, GETTING A LOT OF INPUT FROM THEM. THIS IS REALLY THE LAST REMAINING GAP THAT IS YET TO HAVE AT LEAST A PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE MOVING INTO THE PREFERRED STAGE MOVING FROM THE SUN TRAIL THROUGHOUT ST. LUCIE COUNTY. IT IS A VERY FUN GAP, BUT ALSO A CHALLENGING GAP, BECAUSE IT REQUIRES CROSSING THE FLORIDA EAST COAST OR FEC ROUTE ROAD. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE, PETER. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS BEING ABLE TO CROSS THE RAILROAD, WHILE MAINTAINING F.

D.O.T. SUN TRAIL CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE. ALL OF THE SEGMENTS THAT THE CITY, AS WELL AS ST. LUCIE COUNTY, WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PTO AND F.D>O.T. HAVE DESIGNED AND BUILT IN THE PAST, DELETE THESE CRITERIA THAT YOU SEE ON THESE SITES. SO, AS WE ARE DOING OUR PLANNING STUDY FOR THE SUPPORT OF FORT PIERCE CONNECTOR FEASIBILITY STUDY, WE HAVE TO KEEP THESE CRITERIA IN MIND. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AT THE OUTSET OF OUR STUDY, WE IDENTIFIED THREE POTENTIAL CONNECTOR LOCATIONS TO STUDY IN MORE DETAIL . THE BLUE LINE IN THE SOUTHERN AREA OF THIS LINE SHOWS A PROPOSED LOCATION THAT WOULD BE AN ON ROAD FACILITY , USING FISHERMAN'S WHARF AND U.S. 1 . THE RED LIGHT IN THE MIDDLE SHOWS A LOCATION THAT WOULD TRY TO USE AN FEC RAILS FOR THAT PASSES SECOND STREET IN THE CURRENT FEC MAINLINE. THIS RAILS FOR AS HAD THE TRACKS LARGELY REMOVE , IS NO LONGER IN OPERATION, BUT STILL OWNED BY FEC. IN THE THIRD LOCATIONS , REALLY KIND OF A A, B SHOWN IN THE NORTHERN PART OF SLIDE IN YELLOW , ARE LOCATIONS THAT WOULD UTILIZE THE NORTHERN END OF SECOND STREET , NEAR THE STORM WATER DETENTION POND AND THE TRUCK TURNAROUND IN THE NORTH OF SECOND STREET. OF THESE THREE LOCATIONS, WHEN WE DID OUR INITIAL FEASIBILITY STUDY, ONLY THE TRUCK TURNAROUND AND STORM WATER RETENTION POND AREAS REMAINED AS A VIABLE FOR THIS STUDY . THE BLUE LINE WAS ELIMINATED, BECAUSE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO MEET SUN TRAIL DESIGN CRITERIA WITHIN THE CURRENT RIGHTS-OF-WAY OF FISHERMAN'S WHARF AND U.S. 1. THE REDLINE WAS ILLUMINATED BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES OF HAVING TO PURCHASE FEC LAND . ONLY THE THIRD OPTIONS, THE TWO IN THE NORTH, THE A AND B IN THE NORTH WOULD ALLOW US TO BRIDGE FEC LAND WITHOUT HAVING TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE FEC LAND . THOSE TWO IN THE NORTHERN SEGMENTS WERE DETERMINED TO BE THE MOST FEASIBLE FROM OUR INITIAL ANALYSIS. BASED ON THAT , WE WENT INTO A DETAILED ALTERNATIVE ELEMENT IN THE NORTHERN TRUCK TURNAROUND AND STORM WATER RETENTION AREA. NEXT SLIDE. SO THE NEXT SERIES OF SLIDES WILL SHOW VARIOUS OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR MAKING THE CONNECTION BETWEEN SECOND STREET , AND EITHER OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY, OR U.S. 1, IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A CONTINUOUS ALIGNMENT FOR THE SUN TRAIL THROUGH THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE. AGAIN, BECAUSE THE AREAS SHOWN HERE ARE IN PUBLIC OWNERSHIP, IN PARTICULAR THE TRUCK TURNAROUND, AND THE STORM WATER POND , WE WOULD ONLY HAVE TO BRIDGE OVER OR CROSS UNDER THE FEC RAILROAD, THESE ARE CONSIDERED TO BE PRIMARY INTERESTS . ALSO, AS YOU WILL SEE IN A MOMENT , BECAUSE OF THE ABILITY AND OPPORTUNITIES TO TIE INTO OTHER PUBLIC PLANNING THAT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE , AND THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE ARE CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING , WE SAW LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO BUILD ALTERNATIVES IN THIS AREA THAT REALLY COULD CONNECT INTO OTHER COMMUNITY FACILITIES, AND PROVIDE A MORE VALUABLE EXPERIENCE FOR YOUR RESIDENCE AND VISITORS FOR THIS SECTION OF THE SUN TRAIL. NEXT SLIDE.

THE FIRST OPTION THAT WE IS AN OVERPASS CONNECTOR , BECAUSE OF THE SHORT LENGTH OF THE CONNECTION, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BUILT WITH A SERIES OF SWITCHBACKS TO DEVELOP ENOUGH ELEVATION TO GIVE PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS OVER THE RAILROAD AT AN ACCEPTABLE HEIGHT OVER THE RAILROAD BETWEEN SECOND STREET AND DIXIE HIGHWAY. YOU WILL NOTICE AS WELL ON DIXIE HIGHWAY, WE ARE THE AVAILABLE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF DIXIE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SWITCHBACKS OVER TOP OF THE

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THIS IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT, OR A.D.A. REQUIREMENTS . THAT IS WHY THERE IS A SERIES OF SWITCHBACKS ON THE EAST SIDE THAT SHOW THE DE-ESCALATION TO THE COLBERT , AND A LONG, RUNNING SLOPE ON THE NORTH SIDE, GOING NORTHWARD OLD AND SEE HOW IT , SHOWING THE AREA THAT WOULD BE SORT OF A GRADIENT AS TRAIL USERS GO UP THE GRADIENT, IF THEY ARE GOING NORTH, OR DOWN THE GRADIENT IF THEY ARE COMING SOUTH, LIKE FROM THE NORTH CAUSEWAY TOWARD THE CULVERT. OPTION C IS A LONGER OVERPASS CONNECTOR .

WITH OPTION C, WE TRIED TO INSERT A LITTLE BIT OF PLANNING CREATIVITY AND PROVIDE A FACILITY THAT WILL NOT JUST BE A CENTRAL ALIGNMENT, BUT ALSO CONNECT TO OTHER AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY, NAMELY THE COMMUNITY ALONG AVENUE O, TO THE WEST.

THIS OPTION PROVIDES AN OVERPASS CONNECTOR, STARTING FROM EAST SECOND STREET , THAT STARTS WITH A SPIRAL UP AND OVER THE FEC RAILROAD, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE AN ELEVATED JUNCTION ABOVE OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY FOR CENTRAL USERS THAT WANT TO GO NORTH TOWARD THE NORTH CAUSEWAY, THEY WOULD TRAVEL ALONG OLD DIXIE . OTHER PEOPLE USING THE TRAIL , ACCESSING TO AND FROM THE COMMUNITY WEST ALONG AVENUE O, THEY COULD USE A BREACH THAT WOULD CONNECT OVER TOP OF U.S.

1 , AND CROSS OVER INTO THE ALIGNMENT OF AVENUE O, WEST OF U.S. 1. THIS LONG OVERPASS CONNECTOR CONNECTS NOT ONLY OVER OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY, BUT OVER U.S. 1 AS WELL. SO, TO

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THIS LETTER IS THINK , WELL, WHAT IF WE ACTUALLY BUILT A BRIDGE, INSTEAD OF A TUNNEL , BECAUSE THEN THE ELEVATION WOULD BE WORKING IN OUR FAVOR. WITH 2B, WE DEVELOPED AN OPTION THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE HIGHER ELEVATION OF U.S. 1.

STARTING FROM U.S. 1, IMAGINE THAT THERE IS A SIGNALIZED PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK ACROSS U.S. 1 AT AVENUE O , AND THAT CROSSWALK , AS YOU ARE MOVING EAST, CONNECTS TO A BRIDGE, AND THAT BRIDGE PASSES OVER THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF U.S. 1, AND OVER THE DIXIE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, AND THE F AC ALIGNMENT AS WELL, ULTIMATELY PROVIDING A CONNECTION NORTHWARD TOWARD NORTH DIXIE HIGHWAY, ALSO EASTWARD TOWARD SECOND STREET. THIS 2B ALIGNMENT IS, I WOULD SAY, A MORE ELEGANT TAKE ON 2C, BECAUSE IT TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE HIGHER ELEVATION OF U.S. 1. HOWEVER, THIS ALTERNATIVE WOULD REQUIRE SIGNALIZED IN THE INTERSECTION OF U.S. 1 AND AVENUE O . THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION THROUGH THEIR SIGNAL ANALYSIS. IN MY OPINION, A DIRECT CONNECTION TO A SUN TRAIL FACILITY WOULD BE A VERY POSITIVE CONSIDERATION AND THE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE CONSIDERING WHETHER TO SIGNALIZED THE CENTER SECTION. IT IS ALSO OUR UNDERSTANDING FROM WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME INTEREST IN THE PAST THAT CENTRALIZING THIS INTERSECTION, SO THIS COULD BUILD WITH THAT PRIOR INSURANCE INTEREST AS WELL. THEN, SAYING, WELL, IF WE HAVE A BRIDGE OVER TO CONNECT AVENUE O, WHAT IF AVENUE O ITSELF JUST CONNECTED TO SECOND STREET? THIS IS A SEGMENT WE DEVELOPED IN CONNECTION WITH THE FT. PIERCE STAFF TO ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE A NORTHERN ENTRANCE AND EXIT TO THE PORT FROM SECOND STREET. THIS OPTION IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF OUR WORK ON THIS STUDY, COORDINATING WITH THE WORK OF THE FT. PIERCE STAFF. THIS WOULD BE AN AVENUE O EXTENSION. U.S. 1 WOULD BE COMING FOR LIKE INTERSECTION HERE. SO A THREE-WAY INTERSECTION, AND CONNECT TO CENTER STREET. THE ALIGNMENT OF AVENUE O, FOR THAT S TERM BETWEEN U.S. 1 AND DIXIE HIGHWAY WOULD BE AN S CURVE, NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT, BECAUSE WE ARE ALSO GOING DOWN A HILL BETWEEN U.S. 1, AND BETWEEN THE FEC RAILROAD AND U.S. 1. WE HAVE TO DEVELOP ENOUGH TO GET DOWNHILL AT AN OPTIMAL CRATE FOR A ROADWAY IN ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC TO USE AVENUE O. FROM THE SUN TRAIL PERSPECTIVE THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A SUN TRAIL IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE AVENUE O EXTENSION, THE LIGHTER GRAY LINE YOU SEE WRAPPING AROUND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DARK GRAY LINE, WHICH IS THE ROADWAY. THIS OPTION, ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT MEET ORIGINAL INTENT OF THE STUDY, BECAUSE IT IS NOT AN OVERPASS OR UNDERPASS CONNECTOR, IT DOES PROVIDE FOR A CENTRALE FACILITY THAT COULD CONNECT TO AVENUE O, OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY, AS WELL AS 2ND STREET. THIS OPTION DOES REQUIRE COORDINATING FEC , TYPICALLY ANY NEW CROSSING, A MINIMUM CONSIDERATION BY THE FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILROAD TO CONSIDER ANY NEW CROSSING IS TO CLOSE TWO CROSSING SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE VICINITY. IN ORDER TO MOVE OPTION FORWARD, AT LEAST TWO ADDITIONAL EXISTING CROSSINGS WOULD HAVE TO BE IDENTIFIED , AND COORDINATED WITH FEC TO BE CONSIDERED FOR CLOSING. SO, WITH ALL OF THIS IN MIND, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS TO DEVELOP-- WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING AS OUR

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ESSENTIALLY WOULD INCLUDE BUILDING THE CENTRALE CONNECTOR AS THE 2B ALTERNATIVE, THE SHORT UNDERPASS ALTERNATIVE .

SHOWN HERE IS THE 2B OPTION , OVERLAID ONTO THE AERIAL . WE ARE ALSO BEGINNING TO PULL IN SOME OF THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE MAPPING IN THIS AREA IN ORDER TO GET FOLKS A BIGGER PICTURE OF WHAT SUN TRAIL CAN BE. THE REDLINE ITSELF IS THE SUN TRAIL. WE ALSO HAVE COMMUNITY FEATURES TO CONSIDER, SUCH AS THE HARBOUR POINTE PARK DEVELOPMENT , AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED PORT STORMWATER FEATURES, RETENTION PONDS WITH TRAILS AROUND THOSE, CONNECTIONS TO THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THE CONNECTIONS TO LINCOLN PARK. YOU ARE BEGINNING TO SEE SOME OF THE RESOURCES THAT REALLY COULD BE CONNECTED TOGETHER HERE. THE PHASE 1 APPROACH WOULD INCLUDE THE UNDERPASS OPTION OF ALTERNATIVE 2B, AND THE FULL VISION WOULD BE THE CONNECTION TO AVENUE O, WITH AN AT GRADE CROSSING. THE SUN TRAIL FACILITY HERE IS UNDERNEATH THE FEC, AS WELL AS UNDERNEATH THE AVENUE O EXTENSION . THIS HAS THE ADDED BENEFITS OF ALLOWING SUN TRAIL USERS TO NEVER HAVE TO CROSS , OBVIOUSLY THE FEC RAILROAD AT GRADE, BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVE TO CROSS AVENUE O AT GRADE, THE FUTURE PROPOSED AVENUE O, BECAUSE THE SUN TRAIL USES WOULD BE THAT UNDERPASS GOING UNDERNEATH AVENUE O EXTENSION, AS WELL AS UNDERNEATH THE FEC RAILROAD. WE FELT LIKE THIS OPTION INCLUDES THE ABILITY TO BUILD THE SUN TRAIL CONNECTOR SEPARATE FROM AVENUE O , AND MAKE USE OF THE STATE CENTRALE FUNDING WITHOUT TYING OURSELVES TO ANY FUTURE DECISION BY FEC TO ALLOW FOR THIS NEW CONNECTION. IT ALSO PROVIDES-- IT MAXIMIZES SAFETY , ESSENTIALLY BY MINIMIZING CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE SUN TRAIL USERS AND ANY POTENTIAL ROADWAY THAT MAY BE BUILT. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE COORDINATED VERY LOOSELY WITH THE PORTS OF FT. PIERCE AND PETER WILL WRAP UP I SANG A BIT ABOUT THAT.

>> HEAR ME IF I MAY, BEFORE WE OPEN UP FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS, BECAUSE WE ARE EXTENDING INTO PORT 1 OF THE RESPECTFUL DEVELOPMENT OF COURSE BOTH THE COUNTY AND CITY HAVE WITH THAT SPECIAL RESOURCE , WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH JOSH, THE PORTS DIRECTOR . I WANT TO INTRODUCE ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE TEAM, STEPHANIE TORRES, OUR PROGRAM MANAGER , WHO HAS HELPED OUT. LET'S BRING UP JOSH. WE WORKED VERY LOOSELY TO CONFIRM HOW BOTH THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVES ARE CONSISTENT AND FULLY SUPPORT THE VISION FOR THE PORT ITSELF.

JOSHUA . >> VERY GOOD, PETER, IF YOU

WOULD GO BACK ONE. >> MAYOR HUDSON, MISSION OR COMMISSIONERS , ALSO DIRECTOR OF PORT OF FT. PIERCE. TO GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY, ABOUT A YEAR AGO, THE PTO AND THE PORT GOT TOGETHER , BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT SIMILAR UTILITIES THAT NEEDED TO BE AT THE END OF 2ND STREET AND WE WANTED TO CREATE ONE UNIFORMED WAS FOR THIS VISION. AT THAT TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT REGIONAL STORMWATER THE PORT, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE SUN TRAIL AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS PRUDENT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE DO GO FORWARD WITH WITH THE FEC, WE CONSOLIDATE OUR EFFORTS WITHIN ONE LOCATION ALONG THAT CORRIDOR. THEY DO GET A LITTLE SQUARELY WHEN YOU START TRYING TO GET THEM HERE AND THERE. WE THOUGHT A UNIFORM VISION WAS

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IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE PORT TOWN 2ND STREET, AND LOOK AT THE THINGS WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IN THE LONG-TERM, WE WILL NOT HAVE A BOTTLENECK AND WOULD BE LOOKING TO FUNNEL PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THAT SMALL CORRIDOR. WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AND GOT TOGETHER WITH PTO, WE LOOKED AT SOME SUCCESSES, SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE COULD DO TO MAKE THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT BETTER.

IT STARTED WITH PEDESTRIAN, THEN STARTED TO MORPH INTO, IF WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE THE STORMWATER EQUATION, TRYING TO SOLVE THE TRANSPORTATION EQUATION UPFRONT, THESE ARE THE TWO THINGS WE NEED . WE ULTIMATELY GOT TO AN AT GRADE CROSSING , THAT ALLOWS US TO LINK WHAT WE CALL PORT TO PARKS. WE HAVE LINCOLN PARK , OUR STORM WATER POND AREA THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DESIGN THIS FALL THAT GOES THROUGH THE PTO CORRIDOR, WHICH ULTIMATELY CREATES A HOME NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST WITHOUT FOR THOSE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.

THIS VEHICULAR CONNECTION MAKES A LOT OF SENSE . AS WE DEVELOP HARBOUR POINTE PARK AND WE GET OUR REGIONAL BOAT RAMP AND ALL OF THOSE RECREATIONAL AMENITIES, WE WILL HAVE KIND OF A SPLIT IN THE PORT, WHERE THE NORTHERN WILL BE ABOUT RECREATION PLAY AND SOME LIMITED COMMERCIAL , AND IN THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE OF THE PORT , WHERE WE HOPE TO EXPAND THE MAINTENANCE REPAIR OVERHAUL OF MEGA-YACHTS. INMATE IS TO LOOK AT THESE VISION AND LOOK AT AN ALTERNATE LOCATION TO ACCESS THE PORT . WE WILL GET THERE. WE CAN COMBINE EVERYTHING INTO ONE TO MAKE THIS CONNECTOR A REALITY, WE IMPROVE LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY BY PROVIDING PASSIVE RECREATIONAL COMPONENTS ALONG OUR STORM WATER POND ABOUT SOMEONE IN THAT NECK OF THE WOOD TO TRANSPORT TO OUR PART AND HAVE BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE AT THE PORT ITSELF . I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I CHALLENGE , AS PETER POINTED OUT IS FEC . FEC CONTINUES TO PLAY HARDBALL , WHERE THEY WANT TO GET SOMETHING IN RETURN .

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROPOSE IS THAT, THIS IS A CRITICAL ELEMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A PORTS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO DEEP WATER . THERE IS ONLY A SUBSET OF JOBS THAT CAN EXIST WITHIN THAT ECOSYSTEM. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDED IN BOTH STORMWATER AND TRANSPORTATION SO THAT WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON THAT. YOU DO NOT WANT TO SQUANDER IT. THE BIGGEST RESERVATION I HAVE HERE IS THAT IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF STORMWATER, WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE TRANSPORTATION, A FEW YEARS DOWN THE WAY, WHEN WE GET OUR BOAT RAMP, WHEN WE GET SOME TRACTION AND START TO DEVELOP PROPERTY, WE WILL HAVE A BIG NEST ON OUR HANDS. WE NEED SUPPORT WE NEED SUPPORT AT EVERY LEVEL TO PUSH THIS FORWARD SO WE CAN GET TO THE TABLE WITH FEC TO NEGOTIATE THE TERMS OF GETTING AN AT GRADE CROSSING TO SOLVE ALL OF THOSE ISSUES UP FRONT AND AS WE DEVELOP, WE CAN LOOK BACK AND SAY, WOW WE ARE REALLY GLAD WE DID THAT. I AM HERE TO HELP. PETER HAS BEEN GREAT . WE ARE LOOKING TO GET A UNIFORM VISION FROM THE CITY . WE WILL MAKE OUR EMOTIONS FROM THE COUNTY AND TRY TO WRAP IN SOME OF OUR STATE AND LOCAL DELEGATION TO TRY AND GET THIS FOR THE FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>>> I HAVE A QUICK LESSON AND I KNOW MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS DO TOO. IN THIS PREFERRED PLAN , IS THERE A LAND ACQUISITION ?

>> SO, RIGHT NOW , A COUPLE OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED. THE STORM WATER POND TO THE WEST, WE ALREADY HAVE THOSE LAND . WE PURCHASED THOSE LAST YEAR AND WE ARE GETTING READY TO GO TO THE DESIGN OF THAT FUTURE, WHICH WILL BE INTEGRATED IN THE PARK, LIKE A PART. THE TRIANGULAR SECTION THAT IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN U.S. 1 , AND OLD DIXIE , I AM ALREADY NEGOTIATING AN EASY FOR THE UTILITY ASPECT OF THE STORM WATER, BUT WE HAVE A WILLING SELLER. WE ARE STARTING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE THOSE STRIPS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET FUNDING TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY, IF NOT A PORTION OF THAT PROPERTY. WE HAVE A WILLING SELLER, THEY RECENTLY CONTACTED ME LAST WEEK SAYING, WOULD LIKE TO BUY THE PROPERTY? WE DON'T HAVE IT YET, BUT IT HAS ALREADY BEEN EXPRESSED TO THEM THAT WE ARE WILLING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THIS A REALITY IF WE CAN GET FEC TO THE TABLE TO APPROVE IT.

>> THIS ONE WOULD REQUIRE, THE FEC WOULD REQUIRE US, OR ANY IN

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>> THAT IS THE WAY IT HAS BEEN STATED TO US. I THINK WHAT OUR OPINION IS THAT WE HAVE A PREFERRED PLAN BASED ON THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE PORT AND OUR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS. IT BEHOOVES US TO MOVE FORWARD, TO HAVE THAT NEGOTIATION, TO AT LEAST AT MINIMUM GET THEM TO PUT THAT IN WRITING , THIS IS THE TERMS OF THE FUTURE AGREEMENT AND WE CAN EITHER ADDRESS THEM OR NOT ADDRESS THEM . ONE OF MY FEARS IS THAT WE HAVE OTHER CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DOING THINGS WITHIN THESE CORE DOORS AND THEY TELL YOU NO , EVERYBODY PUTS THEIR TAIL BETWEEN THEIR LEGS AND WALKS AWAY. I THINK WE NEED TO FORMALIZE THE NO SO THAT LATER ON, WHEN I SIT HERE TWO YEARS FROM NOW AND WE HAVE A TRANSPORTATION ISSUE, I CAN POINT BACK TO MAY, WE COULD NOT PLAY BALL WITH THE FTC, HERE IS THE REASON, WE GET A WHOLE BUNCH OF TALK THEY WE COULD NOT DO IT AND PURSUE IT . I THINK WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, PUT A PREFERRED PLAN ON THE TABLE, GET ALL THE SUPPORT NEEDED FROM OUR STAKEHOLDERS AND GET THEM TO FORMALLY SAY NO , OR HERE IS THE TERMS OF A FUTURE ARRANGEMENT AND WE CAN MEET

THEM OR WE CAN'T. >> SO, THAT IS THE STARTING POINT? FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST?

COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> GOOD MORNING. WHEN YOU WERE GOING THROUGH THE OPTIONS AND I WAS READING THE PACKAGE BEFORE THIS, I WAS ALREADY INTO 2E AND 2F, EVERYTHING BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT IN AVENUE O . COMMISSIONERS , THIS IS A GAME CHANGER, WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, BRIDGING THE WEST TO THE EAST . AVENUE O IS THE CORRIDOR THAT WE NEED TO USE . I'M HAPPY TO HEAR ABOUT THE CYCLIZATION AT AVENUE O AND U.S. 1 , AND ANYTHING YOU NEED ME TO HELP DO DOWN THERE, BECAUSE WE NEED IT. EVERY MORNING , OR ANYTIME -- I WALKED THAT AREA, SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS, NOT ONLY DO YOU SEE ELDERLY PEOPLE TRYING TO JUDGE THAT TRAFFIC GOING BACK TO U.S. 1, TRYING TO DOWN PUBLIC, TRYING TO COME DOWNTOWN, OR TRYING TO HERE IN THE MORNING TO SIT DOWN WITH US, THAT IS FINE. BUT WHAT YOU ALSO SEE IS, THIS CORRIDOR , AND I AM SAYING THAT SO WE CAN TALK TO THE DISTRICT TO GET THEM ON OUR SIDE, THIS CORRIDOR IS ALSO USED BY A LOT OF KIDS COMING FROM U.S. 1, GOING TO LINCOLN PARK . THEY TURN IN ON AVENUE O, GET TO 13TH STREET, AND THEN TURN LEFT TO GO THAT WAY TO GO TO LINCOLN PARK . YOU HAVE LINCOLN PARK, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PARENTS BRING THEIR KIDS TO FRANCIS K SWEET COMING DOWN NEW HOPE . ALSO, DURING DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE SEASON, SPORTS SEASON , MOST OF THE OTHER TEAMS THAT COME IN TO PLAY THE FIREFOX, THEY COME IN TO PLAY OTHER BASEBALL TEAMS OR WHATEVER IN THAT PARK DOWN THERE, THEY COME IN FROM U.S. 1 TO GET TO THESE PARKS . IT IS A SAFETY ISSUE TO ME. WHEN YOU SAID CYCLIZATION, I AM JUMPING , BUT THIS IS ALSO WHAT I AM SEEING A GAME CHANGER FOR THE LINCOLN PARK AREA, BECAUSE THIS IS A CONNECTION TO DOWNTOWN, AND I DON'T HAVE TO HEAR THEY ARE DOING EVERYTHING EXCEPT TRYING TO GET US SOME TYPE OF ACCESS WAY DOWNTOWN. I LOVE THE IDEA . I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THE TUNNELS . THIS IS FLORIDA. I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT, YOU KNOW , I'M GOING TO KNOCK ON WOOD . YOU KNOW, STORMS DO COME UP THAT WAY. YOU SAID, TUNNELS , IMAC, WAIT A MINUTE. BACK TO THE ENGINEERS ABOUT THE FLOODING AND ALL OF THAT OTHER STUFF, BUT THAT IS A CONCERN FOR ME .

I AM EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROGRAM , I'M GLAD YOU CHOSE, OR THESE ARE THE ONES THE PORT PARTS CONNECTORS THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT . I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA . IT GOES INTO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, GOD , WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR . A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS CORRIDOR AND HOW WE COULD CHANGE THE WHOLE AREA. I LIKE WHAT I. HOPEFULLY, FEC COMES TO PLAY ALL ENTITY FAULTY. ONE THING, MARY, AND THEN I WILL BE QUITE , IF THIS HAPPENS, I CAN SEE THIS AS ANOTHER ONE OF THE MAIN ENTRANCE IS TO COME IN AND WHEN WE GET THE HIGHWAY MUSEUM AND EVERYTHING COMING IN DOWN

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HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO IT. >> WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT?

>> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, JUST BEFORE THE PRESENTATION THIS MORNING . I AM 100% FOR THIS. I AM ON THE PORT ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WE STARTED THIS WORK ABOUT A YEAR AND HALF AGO WE STARTED TO MEET. MUCH LIKE COMMISSIONER GAMES GAINES HAS SAID, I AM 100% IN ON HOW WE WILL DEAL WITH THIS INTERSECTION. WE TALKED ABOUT AVENUE O ACTUALLY BEING A CANOPY ENTRY INTO LINCOLN PARK, AND KNOW THAT WE WERE WORKING, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT HOW DO WE DO THAT , AND HOW DO WE TAKE THIS AREA RIGHT NOW THAT UNFORTUNATELY RESIDENTS ARE USING IT AS A LITERATE GROUND . I CAME THROUGH THERE YESTERDAY, AND PAPER WAS THROWN BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD . SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE WOULD NOT ONLY HELP THAT, BUT IT WOULD HELP OUR COMMUNITY TO SEND THE RIGHT SIGNAL THAT THIS IS A POINT OF BEAUTY , THIS IS A POINT OF HISTORY, BECAUSE I DO SEE THIS AS A HISTORIC ENTRYWAY OF A HIGHWAY LANCET ADVOCATES WITH THOSE TYPES OF LANDSCAPING COMING THROUGH AVENUE O. THAT IS THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS COMING THROUGH. ONE OF CONCERNS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STORMWATER, AND WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, THAT AREA IN YELLOW WILL BECOME A PASSIVE AREA FOR RECREATION FOR THOSE PEOPLE VISITING THE BASEBALL PARKS, FOOTBALL PARKS, WHATEVER, BUT IT WOULD ALSO BRING A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO MAY ENJOY RECREATIONAL WALKING AROUND, SOME TYPE OF TEACHER FEATURE, IF WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, IT COULD BE USED FOR KAYAKING, PADDLE BOATS , OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE TO PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF ELEMENT . I ALWAYS IN THE BACK OF MY MIND HAVE SAFETY IN MY MIND, AS I HAVE STATED. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM HER AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT LOOK AT THIS AND HOW WE DESIGNED THIS FEATURE , AS SAFETY COMES INTO MIND , THE LAST THING I WANT IS FOR ONE OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE TO WANDER OVER HERE INTO THIS AREA, INTO THIS STORMWATER AREA AND WE END UP WITH A SITUATION.

SO, SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT TO ME, BECAUSE I KNOW THE RESIDENCE OF AVENUE O THERE. AND KNOCK ON WOOD , WE HAVE NOT HAD TOO LATELY THAT HAVE VENTURED INTO TAYLOR CREEK , BUT THIS MAY BE A DIFFERENT ATTRACTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT IN MIND. I HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE TUNNEL. AND I AGREE, SHORT TUNNELING IS GOOD. WHO , TECHNICALLY, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? IN THIS AREA, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF CHALLENGES WITH HOMELESS AND THE TYPE OF STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE OPEN MAY JUST TO TRY TO TAKE RESIDENCE HERE. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TUNNELING OF THIS PART OF THIS?

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON , WOULD BE THE CITY OR LOCAL AGENCIES THAT WOULD ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING IT, EITHER THE CITY OR THE COUNTY. AN I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT WE MAINTAIN THAT TYPE OF SECURITY AND INTEGRITY AS PEOPLE ARE OBVIOUS THING THIS TO RECREATE, RIDE BICYCLES OR WHATEVER THROUGH AND TAKE THE TRAIL . I AM ALSO IN FAVOR BECAUSE IT DOES ALLOW FOR THOSE RESIDENTS IN LINCOLN PARK TO CONNECT TO THE SUN TRAIL . IF I SEE THIS BE ABLE TO CROSS ACROSS U.S. 1, TURN RIGHT, CATCH THE TRAIL AND EITHER GO NORTH OR SOUTH, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK AGAIN THAT PROVIDES A GREAT SEGUE FOR THOSE BICYCLE THAT LIVE IN THE LINCOLN PARK AREA TO RIDE THEIR BICYCLES NORTH OR SOUTH ON THE SUN TRAIL . LIKE I SAID, I AM 100% IN FAVOR . JUST THOSE FEW CONCERNS, HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE TUNNEL, SO THAT WE DON'T-- AND WE HAVE THAT AGREEMENT STOOD , AND THIS WATER FEATURE I WILL CALL IT, BECAUSE I DO SEE IT BEING A NICE POND WITH SOME TYPE OF FEATURE SHOOTING WATER IN THE AIR, MITES, SOMETHING REALLY NICE FOR THAT AREA, HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT IS SAFE , AND EVERYTHING ELSE I THINK FALLS INTO PLAY. THE POINT OF CONNECTING HARBOUR POINTE, WHAT WE KNOW WILL HAPPEN THERE, THE JOBS COMING DOWN TO THE PORT , AND JUST PEOPLE HAVING ACCESS TO THAT SIGNALIZED AREA IS FANTASTIC. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD . I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND , IF WE HAVE NOT TALKED TO OUR FEDERAL PARTNER , OUR CONGRESSMAN , WE NEED TO START NOW WITH FEC.

THERE IS, I AM JUST GOING TO SAY IT'S, BRIGHT LINE SPOT HERE IN FORT PIERCE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LINE IS , BUT I

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REAL CROSSINGS IF WE DO THIS? >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, NO, THERE IS NOT ANY PARAMETERS , OR POLICY GUIDE , ANYTHING REALLY SPELLED OUT IN WRITING BY FEC, JUST PREFERABLE THROUGH EMAIL COMMUNICATION . THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, AND I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, CLOSING THE CROSSING AT AVENUE H. IF YOU OPEN THIS CROSSING, A CLOSING OF CROSSING AT AVENUE H IS NOT.

YOU CAN STILL DO THE NORTH PORT HERE AND SOUTH 2ND STREET. IF YOU LOOK ON A MAP, AND WE CAN FULL OF THE MAP, THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT AND CONSIDER. WILCOX ROAD OF NORTH IS A CROSSING -- SO, WE WANT TO CLOSE CROSSINGS THAT DON'T HAVE AS MUCH, THAT WILL NOT IMPACT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT STILL MAKES IT SAFER . THAT IS WHAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS DOING TOO WITH THESE RAILROAD CROSSING ELIMINATION GRANT .

BECAUSE THEY WANT ALL OF THE CROSSINGS TO BE SEPARATED .

THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES. THERE ARE ALSO OPPORTUNITIES ON THE K LINE AS WELL . THE KEY IS TO CAPITALIZE THE DISCUSSION OR CONVERSATION BY MOVING FORWARD PROJECTS THAT THE VISIONS OF THE COUNTY AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT PROVIDE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES , SO IT IS DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO SAY-- CAN JUST HAVE CONCEPT AND WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT VISIT WE HAVE A DESIGN AND READY TO, BUT YOU ARE THE ONE GETTING IN THE WAY. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO MOVE, AS LONG AS EVERYONE IS ENCOURAGED .

>> WE NEED THE MOMENT. WE NEED SHOVEL READY, SOMETHING READY TO . THAT IS WHAT WE INTEND . YOUR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN NOTED .

I WANT TO BRING UP TO THE COMMISSIONER REAL QUICK THE KIND OF DIVISION HERE, I HAVE LIVED IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY MY WHOLE LIFE . IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A, HEY, LET'S GET OUR CAR TO DO THIS. LET'S GET BACK IN OUR CAR AND WE CAN GO DO THAT. THIS IS A UNIQUE LOCATION. AS WE KNOW, LINCOLN PARK HAS BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, SWIMMING . YOU INTEGRATE THAT HARBOUR POINTE , WHICH WILL HAVE A VOTE, AMPHITHEATER , COMMERCIAL PLACES YOU CAN RECREATE , YOU LOOK AT THIS CORRIDOR, IT IS VERY EASY TO IMAGINE CAN ORDINATE BETWEEN CITY AND STAFF ON EVENTS THAT SPANNED THE ENTIRE DAY. THINK ABOUT THAT, I GO TO HARBOUR POINTE, I GO FISHING, THERE IS A BARGAIN .

WHEN I AM DONE, I EAT AT A RESTAURANT . IT IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BRING YOUR FAMILY AND DO MORE THAN JUST ONE THING AT A TIME. THAT IS WHAT WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THROUGH DURING THIS CORRIDOR. IT ALLOWS US TO GET. THAT HAS BEEN THERE HISTORICALLY . I THINK IF WE PUSH OURSELVES HARD ENOUGH, WE CAN FIND ACCOMMODATION. WE DO NOT KNOW THAT TWO FOR ONE SPECIAL, SOMETHING THEY OFFER A OUT OF THE WAY . I THINK WE PUT OUR HEELS INTO THE GROUND AND FORWARD.

>> I JUST HAD TO MAKE ONE COMMENT. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF POSING AVENUE H , BECAUSE I SEE THAT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS.

WE WILL DEVELOP OUR PROPERTY OR THAT PORT AND THAT IS AN ACT POINT . AS YOU GO ACROSS AVENUE H AND GO TOWARD THE END, THAT IS CITY-OWNED PROPERTY. AT SOME POINT, I SOMETHING DOWN THERE THAT AGAIN WOULD ALLOW PEOPLE TO ACT AS THAT POINT, EVEN A SOUTHERN MOST POINT . ALSO, I ALWAYS ABOUT EVACUATION EMERGENCY . THOSE THAT HAVE COME ACROSS THAT I , IF THEY HAVE TO GET OFF, WE NEED AS MANY ACCESS POINTS TO GET OFF THE EVAN WEST, POSSIBLE. CLOSING AVENUE H DEWEY IS A NONSTARTER. WE WANT ANY ACCESS POINTS IN, AND MANY ACCESS POINTS OUT . AS WE TRIED TO DEVELOP OUR PORT AREA , WHICH INCLUDES PROPERTY THAT THE CITY OWNS DOWN THERE, I SEE THIS AS, LET'S FIND ANOTHER SPOT TO CLOSE.

>> NOTE TAKING . >> THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO START HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS OF ORAL. WE WILL TAKE A COUNTYWIDE APPROACH, BECAUSE SOME OF THE CROSSING OUR MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF PORT LUCY TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS. WE TALK ABOUT THE REGIONAL BOAT RAMP THAT EVERYBODY WILL IN THE COUNTY , AND THAT THE COUNTY IS PUSHING VERY HARD FOR. IT IS MUCH BETTER TO BE COMING IN OFF OF THE U.S. 1 FROM THE NORTH END TO THAT BOAT RAMP , THEN COMING FROM THE SOUTH, SEPARATING THE USES . YOU STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN THOSE MORE INDUSTRIAL TYPE OF USES IN THE SOUTH IN FOR JOB AND HAVING THE RECREATIONAL USES . DIFFERENT TYPES OF TRAFFIC . IT LOOKS

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PROJECT TO FORWARD WITH. >> MADAME BRODERICK, I DO NOT WANT TO JUMP ON THE AVENUE H BANDWAGON . WE JUST HAVE TO ANALYZE SEAWAY. I WILL LEAVE MY STATEMENT AT THAT. THERE IS A LOT OF PRESSURE ON C WEIGHT TRIED ALREADY, AS FAR AS WESTBOUND TRAFFIC YOU GUYS WILL TAKE THAT TO NOTE , AND WE WILL FIND SOME CROSSINGS TO CLOSE . I'M NOT SURE ABOUT AVENUE H, BECAUSE I USE IT QUITE OFTEN. IT IS OKAY, YOU WERE TALKING

ABOUT NEGOTIATION TACTICS. >> DISREGARD MYSELF FROM PETER

'S H COMMENTS. >> A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION AT TIMES. THE GOAL IN MIND, KEEP THE END IN MIND.

>> I WANT TO LOOK AT, -- I DON'T INTO THIS AND I LOVE THE STORM WATER TREATMENT AREA. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE RECREATIONAL, PASSIVE PARK, WHATEVER SITUATION IT IS .

THESE GUYS KNOW UP HERE, NICE , SQUARE, RIGHT ENGINE RAIN, IT LOOKS GREAT . WE WILL DO BETTER. I KNOW YOU ARE, YOU ARE DESIGNING IT IN THE FALL AND THE SPRING . WE WILL FIND A WAY TO CONNECT THE PARK AND THE STORM WATER FEATURES. THERE IS IN THIS OPPORTUNITIES HERE. WHAT I DOVE INTO IS THE ONLY .

I KNOW FREEMAN IS HERE TOO . I BELIEVE TO THE NORTH IS ALSO A GENERAL COMMERCIAL ZONING, IF I REMEMBER CORRECT THE . I MIGHT BE OFF A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW THAT IS A DIESEL MECHANIC SHOP TO THE NORTH , ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TAYLOR CREEK, TO THE NORTH OF AVENUE O . I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AMENITIES ARE BEING CONSIDERED, AS FAR AS THE ZONING PERSPECTIVE . THAT IS CRITICAL TO ME IN THE OVERALL 30,000 FOOT VIEW , HOW THAT INTERACTS . WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC WE ANTICIPATE COMING FROM THE PORT AREA, MOVING WESTBOUND ? WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO, BECAUSE AVENUE O ONLY MAKES IT TO 17TH STREET IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, AND THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. NO TRUCK TRAFFIC COMING INTO THE LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY, THAT IS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION , IF WE WILL HAVE MAJOR TRUCK COMING IN AND OUT THEY'VE GOT TO KNOW THEY HAVE TO USE IT, U.S. ONE. AVENUE M WOULD BE THE SAME SITUATION, TRAVERSING ALL KINDS OF NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH 25TH AND ON. DON'T WANT TO CREATE ANY SITUATIONS WHERE TRUCKS MAKE IT EASY FOR THEMSELVES, AND THEY USUALLY DO , BECAUSE GOOGLE MAPS TOLD THEM TO. THOSE ARE ALL JUST COMMENTS THAT HAVE FLOWED THROUGH ME. WHAT DROVE THE IDEA OF A NOT AT GRADE CROSSING FOR THE EAST COAST GREENWAY AND A TUNNEL CROSSING? I KNOW THIS IS , I BELIEVE , IT SAYS IT SOMEWHERE ON HERE. I THINK IT IS SHARED TRAFFIC , IN ADDITION TO THE PEDESTRIAN. %-Ú PROBABLY , I ARGUE TOO WITH ARTIST COUNTY COMMISSION ABOUT THE USE OR ELIMINATION OF 2D SIX . WE HAVE NOT ADDED TO THE 2016. WE ARE ACCUSTOMED TO NOT USING 2D SIX . IF WE NEED TO REPLACE THE BRIDGE, OKAY. AS A TAXPAYER, I AM PAYING FOR OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY BRIDGE, STATE OR COUNTY TEXAS, U.S. 21 BRIDGE, I CAN THROW A BASEBALL FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, I USED TO BE ABLE TO THROW A BASEBALL FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. IT IS LITERALLY 100 YARDS, 250 YARDS AWAY FROM EACH OTHER. WE PAY TAXES ON THOSE TOO. THAT IS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS BEEN PAID FOR BY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US SITTING IN THIS ROOM, OR MOST OF US SITTING IN THIS ROOM. WHY NOT AN AND TRADE PEDESTRIAN EAST COAST GREENWAY CROSSING , AS COMMISSIONER BROUGHT UP A TUNNEL ? IS THAT STILL ON THE TABLE AS AN AT GRADE ? IT FEELS LIKE TO BE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THE NUCLEAR TRAFFIC WOULD WE

CREATED THIS SITUATION. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON THE REASON BEING, INITIALLY IT CAME IN AS JUST SUN TRAIL PROJECT BEFORE WE HAD THE COORDINATION, IT WILL BE EITHER AN OVERPASS OR REASON. AGAIN, THE FEC CRITERIA, IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE WRITTEN DOWN ANYWHERE. IF YOU DO A SEPARATE CROSSING ,

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ACTUALLY, THERE IS AN EVEN SHORTER OPTION, BUT WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT SO WE CAN BUILD THE TWO PHASES TOGETHER WITHOUT LITTLE BROTHER WAY TO BE CONSISTENT. WE CAN START WITH THIS FIRST PHASE AND WE HAVE A DIFFERENT VERSION OF THIS THAT ALLOWS US JUST THE LEG THAT GOES , THE TUNNEL THAT GOES FROM EAST TO WEST? THAT IS THE ONLY PORTION SO YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ELBOW. THE REP WOULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN AND CUT DOWN SECOND AVENUE, SECOND STREET THERE. THE REASON BEING, IT WAS NOT AS CONSISTENT WORKING WITH THE AT GRADE CROSSING AS THIS OPTION DOES AND WE FEEL WE CAN CONSTRUCT THIS OPTION AND START PEOPLE USING IT AND GET PEOPLE INTO THE PORT WHILE WE ARE WALKING WORKING OUT THE AT GRADE CROSSING . THE TWO COULD BE CONNECTED SEAMLESSLY WITH HOW WE HAVE OPPOSED HERE. THAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT. LOOKING AT A BIGGER PICTURE , THIS IS SO MUCH BIGGER THAN CONNECTING THE SUN TRAIL, WHICH IS BEING BY ITSELF . YOU HAVE A 20 MILE STRETCH FROM NORTH COUNTY LINE TO SOUTH COUNTY LINE, THAT INCLUDES RIDING ALONG THE BEACH, RIDING ALONG THE STATE PRESERVES, DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE, YOU STOP A SANDWICH, FOR A, KINGSLAND AND, YOU CAN STAY IN THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AND UTILIZE A FULL TRAIL . IT IS REALLY A TRACTOR. MORE THAN THAT, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT EXTENDING AVENUE O, PUTTING AN INTERSECTION, WE NEED A NEW ACCESS TO THE WARD AND THE WE NEED SUPPORT OF ALL THE EFFORTS. IT SEEMS TO WORK TOGETHER. WHILE WE WANT TO CONTINUE MOMENTUM, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SUN TRAIL FUNDING . THAT IS ONE THING WE WILL ASK, HOW CAN YOU HELP THE OTHERS ? NOW, WE HAVE 1.1 MILLION IN SUN TRAIL FUNDING TO DESIGN THE THAT IS SITTING THERE. WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO MANAGE THE DESIGN ME TO TAKE THE MONEY AND START THE DESIGN, PROCURE THE CONTRACTOR AND GOT THE DESIGN TO CONTINUE THAT MOMENTUM THAT JOSH WAS REFERRING TO. IN ADDITION, THE OTHER THING YOU CAN HELP US WITH IS WITH ENDORSEMENT OF THESE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVES.

THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS WE ARE ASKING FROM YOU IS A LETTER OF ENDORSEMENT , ALSO THAT YOU WORK TO MANAGE THE DESIGN OF AT LEAST THE FIRST PHASE. THIS IS A REAL PROJECT . THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A PLAN THAT WILL SIT ON THE SHELF AND WE SEE SO MUCH OF THE PLANS YOU'RE AFTER YEAR, WE WILL IMPLEMENT PLAN AND WITH YOUR HELP, WE WOULD LOVE TO ASSUME THE 1.1 MILLION

OF SUN TRAIL FUNDING. >> I APPRECIATE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. I THINK , STRATEGICALLY I LOVE HAVING AVENUE O EXTENSION. THAT IS A TRAILER , TRAILERS I UNDERSTAND IT , IT WILL BE TURNS AND, AND WHAT IS THE DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE. I DON'T WANT TO NAVIGATE, MAYBE I DO, MAYBE I AM COMING FROM U.S. ONE , OTHER OPPORTUNITIES COMING FROM U.S.

1 . IT IS TIGHT AROUND THE AVENUE H AREA TO MAKE THOSE MOVEMENTS THROUGH STOP SIGNS AT A FOUR-WAY STOP. THOSE ARE ALL CONSIDERATIONS . THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU MASTER PLAN THE PORT . I LOVE THE IDEA. THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT I TALKED TO THAT WERE AGAINST THE IDEA OF WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE STORM WATER IN THE PORT ? YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW DO WE EXTEND THE BALL FIELD, HONESTLY. HOW DO WE EXTEND THE BALLFIELDS, AND MAKE IT AN IMMUNITY TO THE PUBLIC ? ALL THE WAY TO U.S. 1 WORKS. IT JUST REALLY DOES WORK.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE THING TOO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON , THE IDEA TOO OF GOING UNDER WITH THIS TWO-FACED APPROACH, IT HELPS US IN NEGOTIATION BECAUSE WHAT FEC IS TRYING TO DO IS LIMIT THE POTENTIAL IMPACT. WHEN YOU SEPARATE THE PEDESTRIAN ELEMENT , THAT IS ONE LIABILITY THAT COMES OFF THE TABLE. WE ARE IN A NEGOTIATION STANDPOINT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN DO FOR CARDS ON THE TABLE .

>> THAT IS ONE THING, THE OTHER REASON WHY, IT ALSO FITS IN WITH MOVING THE STORM WATER. HAVING A BROADER SECTION FOR THE EAST, NOT ONLY ONE PART THAT IS PEDESTRIAN TUNNEL, THE

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REASON. >> AND COMMISSIONER GAINS BROUGHT UP SOME VALID WAYS. WHO IS GOING TO QUOTE, UNQUOTE MAINTAIN, WHETHER IT IS PHYSICAL BODY WALKING THROUGH LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITY , CLEANING IT, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE? THESE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT ARE CONSIDERED BY ANY MELISSA PALLET MOORE COUNTY GOVERNMENT.

>>

>> IT WILL BE A GREAT ASSET THAT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED WITH

THE PARTNERSHIP. >> THAT NEXT PARCEL THE MAYOR ASKED ABOUT IS ONE PARCEL THAT THE PARTY IS INTERESTED IN SELLING. THAT IS A TRIANGLE PARCEL. DOES IT GOES ALL THE

WAY TO TAYLOR CREEK? >> IT DOES NOT.

>> AT THE PROPERTY LINE, THAT IS A PROPERTY THAT NEEDS ACCESS ALONG OLD DIXIE BECAUSE THERE IS ALREADY ACCESS TO HIGHWAY ONE. THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL OPTIONS ON MAKING THAT OLD DIXIE BRIDGE A MORE PEDESTRIAN FOCUSED FEATURE BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEED TO BRING ANYBODY FROM SOUTHBOUND ALONG OLD DIXIE BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO ACQUIRE THAT PROPERTY IT WOULD COME OFF THE TABLE AND WE COULD USE IT FOR THE INTENDED PURPOSE AND THEREFORE, WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN ACCESSIBILITY FOR SOME

PRIVATE LANDOWNER. >> SINCE WE ARE ADDRESSING AND MAYBE, PURCHASING THE PARCEL SHOWN HERE FOR THE AVENUE O EXTENSION, WHICH I AM IN FAVOR OF. IN MY MIND, I AM ALWAYS WONDERING, USE WHAT NATURAL FEATURES ARE THERE AND AVAILABLE. THE ENGINEERING PART OF IT. THAT MEANS TO ME THAT IF AS I AM PROGRESSING SOUTH ON OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY, USE THE NATURAL FEATURE OF THE SAND RIDGE TO GET GAIN ELEVATION ALONG THE GREENWAY AND ACROSS THE RAILROAD AREA . I UNDERSTAND THE TUNNEL. I UNDERSTAND THE FLAT GREAT AND I UNDERSTAND GOING DOWN AND COMING BACK UP. IF THERE IS ANYWAY WE CAN TAKE THE GREENWAY AND GET IT CLOSER TO U.S.

HIGHWAY 1 IN ACROSS AERIAL -- >>--I UNDERSTAND.

>> THEN IT BECOMES A LOOKOUT INDIVIDUAL FACTOR. THEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT DRIVING BY AND LOOKING UP IN THE AIR TO SEE WHAT ACTIVITY MAY OR MAY NOT BE GOING ON ON A BRIDGE. THAT IS IT. THAT WAS MY ONLY OTHER THOUGHT.

>> THAT IS FINE, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> WE WOULD JUST BE TO THE NORTH OF THIS. THIS IS SHOWN TO THE SOUTH AND I WOULD SAY IT WOULD EVEN BE FURTHER WHERE IT SAYS, NORTHERN ACCESS POINT. INSTEAD OF GOING UP IN AXIS IT NEEDS TO COME BACK ACROSS EAST AND WEST. THIS ONE RUNS THROUGH NORTH AND SOUTH AND THEN IT GAINS GREAT AND MAKES A

LEFT-HAND TURN. >> YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT , ESPECIALLY BEING ABLE TO SEE AND USING THE TRAIL AND FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE OTHER DISADVANTAGE FOR THE OVERPASSES IS IT TAKES UP A LOT OF LAND WITH THE SWITCHBACKS. WE WANT TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF LAND BEING USED. THINGS TO CONSIDER . YOU BRING UP GOOD POINTS AND WE WILL TAKE THAT UNDER

ADVISEMENT. >> EVERYONE HAS ON --AN IDEA AND THOSE ARE SOME I CAME UP WITH. SAFETY , SECURITY, LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE , WHATEVER THAT MEANS. I AM AMENABLE TO GETTING OUT OF THE ARGUMENT WITH FDC RIGHT NOW FOR THE PROJECT --ON BEHALF OF THE PROJECT. SEPARATE THE TWO. VERY

GOOD SUGGESTION. THANK YOU. >> MR. BRODRIC BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE GETS IN HERE, DO YOU WANT TO QUICK

>> I THINK MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE COVERED ALL OF THE PRIMARY POINTS. FIRST OFF, WHOEVER CAME UP WITH A COMBINATION PLAN AND DID THE SLIDES DESERVES A GOLD STAR.

YOU DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB. IT IS AN OUTSTANDING CONCEPT AND ONE I FULLY ENDORSE. THE ACCESSIBILITY FROM AVENUE O , LINCOLN PARK AREA DIRECTLY INTO THE PORT FOR ALL OF THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IS CRITICAL COMPONENT HERE AND IT IS A REAL DRIVER TO THE SUCCESS OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT. THE ENTIRE CONCEPT, I THINK IS A MASSIVE BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE CITY OF FT. PIERCE. I HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD FROM THE TECHNICAL SIDE. MY ENGINEER FRIEND WILL GET INTO ALL OF THE

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>> GREAT , COMMISSIONER. I WILL REINSTATE WHAT PETER SUGGESTED, AS WE ARE LOOKING FOR A LETTER OF ENDORSEMENT FOR THIS PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE. WE HOPE TO GET THE MOMENTUM WITH ALL THE VERY STAKEHOLDERS AND MAKE OUR PLAN TO GO TO FEC TO GET THEM TO THE TABLE. TO FIND OUT EXACTLY, WHAT THEY DO NEED TO

GET IT READY. >> THIS GET THE PROCESS

STARTED. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON ENDORSED IT. I DO AGREE, AVENUE H IS USED AS THE COMPLETE OFF AND I THINK THAT IS BEING PRESSURED MORE AND MORE WITH UTILIZATION OF SEAWAY. YOU SEE EVERYBODY TAKING RIGHT-HAND TURNS TO GET AWAY FROM THE SEAWAY INTERSECTION WHICH IS A BIT CUMBERSOME. HAVING SAID THAT, AVENUE O TO ACCESS THE PORT AND H FOR MORE IN THE CENTRAL PORTION OF THE PORT AND SEAWAY GIVES YOU THE TRIFECTA OF SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION ACCESS POINTS YOU WOULD NEED TO MANAGE THIS. YOU ARE CORRECT, YOU HAVE AN INCOMING TRAFFIC GENERATION PROBLEM .

>> IT WILL BE APPARENT QUICKLY.

>> THERE ARE NO SIMPLE SOLUTIONS. THIS IS POTENTIALLY, A MASSIVE SOLUTION TO THAT PROBLEM. I DRIVE DOWN THOSE ROADS RIGHT NOW AND YOU SAY, HOW WILL THIS WORK? IT ACTUALLY, IS NOT. THIS IS THE SOLUTION TO RESOLVE THAT AND THAT, COMBINING IT WITH THE RECREATIONAL ACCESSIBILITY TO THE NORTHERN SECTION OF THE CITY IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT.

THIS IS A GREAT PLAN AND I FULLY ENDORSE IT. I WOULD SUPPORT A LETTER AND A RECOMMENDATION ON PARTICIPATING IN GETTING THE MONEY FOR THE DESIGN AND CHANNELING THAT TO THE PROPER FIRMS TO GET THE WORK DONE.

>> CAN WE DO A FORMAL MOTION FOR THIS?

>> BEFORE WE DO, I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. I LOST WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE BRIDGE ACROSS DIXIE HWY. IT BECOMES PART OF THIS? IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT CORRECT?

>> RIGHT NOW, IT IS A SEPARATE PROJECT THE COUNTY IS ENGAGED IN REPLACING THE BRIDGE. IT IS CLOSE NOW AND WE ARE REPLACING

IT. >> ONLY FOR PEDESTRIANS? NOT

FOR VEHICLES. >> RIGHT NOW, AS IT IS BEING DESIGNED ONE NORTHBOUND VEHICLE LANE UP UNTIL SUNNY LANE WORK BECOMES TWO WAY COMING FROM THE NORTH DOWN TO SUNNY LANE. IT WAS IMPROVED AS PART OF THE NORTHBRIDGE CONSTRUCTION. SO, ONE SIDE OF IT WILL HAVE THE NORTHBOUND VEHICLE LANE AND THE OTHER SIDE WILL BE THE SON TRAIL -- SUN TRAIL SIDE OF THE

BRIDGE. >> SO, IT WILL BE ONE-WAY.

>> TO HAVE A GRAPHIC WAKE >> YES, I DO.

>> OKAY, ONE WAY NORTH. >> AGAIN, THE ACQUISITION OF THAT TRIANGULAR PIECE OF LAND COULD OPEN UP ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THAT COULD MAYBE , HELP US SAVE ON RENOVATING THAT BRIDGE AND MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN ONLY.

>> RIGHT NOW, THAT IS THE BRIDGE THAT IS NOT USABLE.

>> YES THAT IS THE DISCUSSION. THERE ARE ALSO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY FOR RECOGNIZING IF WE DON'T HAVE TO AXIS THE TRIANGLE PIECE THERE IS NO NEED FOR OLD DIXIE HWY. TO CARRY VEHICLE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH ALREADY HAS ACCESS ON US HIGHWAY 1. THAT PROPERTY SOUTH IS USED FOR STORAGE . SO , THE QUESTION WOULD BE, WHY DO WE NEED TO REPLACE THE BRIDGE IF YOU CAN JUST OPEN UP THE PEDESTRIAN AND ICICLE TRAFFIC? YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO REPLACE IT. THE D.O.T.

BRIDGE ENGINEERS LOOKED AND SAID, WHY DO REPLACE THE BRIDGE IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO USE IT FOR BICYCLES AND PEDESTRIANS? THE COUNTY IS NOW CONSIDERING THAT. THAT IS ALSO A GAME

CHANGER. >> AT LEAST IT WILL BE

PEDESTRIAN. >> AT MINIMUM.

>> OKAY. >> COMING FROM THE NEW BRIDGE, IF THERE IS A SWITCHBACK ON THE NEW BRIDGE THAT COMES BACK DOWN

TO DIXIE HWY. >> IF YOU RECALL, THAT DIXIE HWY. CONNECTION, THAT SOUTHBOUND CONNECTION TURNING

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MOVE FORWARD. >> IT IS. I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. FOR AN ENDORSEMENT LETTER . CAN WE PUT THEM BOTH IN THE SAME MOTION?

>> WHAT IF WE HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT FOR THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE PRESENTED TODAY . WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE MOTION FOR YOU TO DIRECT STAFF TO WORK WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND THE TPO TO RECEIVE THE $1.1 MILLION SUN

TRAIL PROJECT. >> SO MOVED.

>> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> MR. BRODRIC? >> YES.

>>

FORWARD TO THAT. >> WHILE THEY ARE HERE , BECAUSE I HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH PETER A WHILE BACK , EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE ABOUT THE INTERSECTION WITH THE NO RIGHT-HAND TURN ON RED AT SEAWAY DRIVE. I THINK I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, BUT THE IDEA IS TO HAVE A GREEN ARROW NORTHBOUND AS YOU COME TO THE TRACKS AND STOP BECAUSE US HIGHWAY 1 SOUTHBOUND HAS A LEFT TURN ARROW ONTO SEAWAY DRIVE AND THEN TRAFFIC COULD MOVE TO THE NORTHBOUND WITH A GREEN

ARROW. >> BECAUSE, PEOPLE RIGHT NOW DO

NOT PAY ATTENTION TO KNOW TURN. >> JACK KNOWS ABOUT IT AS A SAFETY ISSUE. I SHARE THAT. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ON TAYLOR CREEK AND THE BRIDGE, IF I COULD MENTION IT, THE REASON I TALK ABOUT TAYLOR CREEK IS BECAUSE IF WE COULD EVER GET FEC TO RAISE THE RAILROAD OR PUT A RAILROAD TRUSSELL IN, THEN TAYLOR CREEK --

>>--IT IS A DIFFERENT BALLGAME.

>> DISTRICT 1 , IT BECOMES A GAME CHANGER IN THE CITY OF FT.

PIERCE. IN ADDITION TO THAT THERE IS A SPILLWAY AT TAYLOR CREEK AND IF WE COULD MOVE IT BACK 2/25 STREET AND LET STORMWATER ENGINEERS GET AT IT, THEN YOU HAVE NAVIGABLE WATERS FROM THE RIVER ALL THE WAY INTO DISTRICT 1 OF FT. PIERCE. THIS IS WHY I WAS AGAINST THE DIXIE HWY. BRIDGE YEARS AGO . I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE COST IS UP TO, BUT I BET IT IS AROUND $10 MILLION OR MORE BECAUSE I KNOW IT WAS $6 MILLION OR $7 MILLION AND 2017. THAT IS JUST MY GAS.--GAS. IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE. IF WE COULD USE THE WATERWAYS AND ALLOW MORE TRAFFIC THAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CHANGEOVER OF

PROPERTY VALUE. >> YES, WE ARE. WITH A LOT MORE

WATERFRONT PROPERTY. >> YES, MA'AM. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT SINCE I AM STANDING HERE TODAY WITH OUR

GOOD FRIENDS. >> TAYLOR CREEK WOULD BECOME A VERY DIFFERENT WATERWAY. YES. GOOD POINT.

>> AND , BEAUTIFUL. WE COULD PUT A PROMENADE ALONG TAYLOR CREEK. THAT IS FINE. HAVING BOAT TRAFFIC , THE TOTAL CHANGE, PARADISE PARK GETS ITS OWN BOAT RAMP .

>> THAT IS THE OTHER TAYLOR CREEK. TAYLOR CREEK IS ON THE

NORTH SIDE. >> IT JUST OPENS UP

[b. Notification of administrative approval of a Site Plan (Development and Design Review) submitted under the 'Live Local' affordable housing Act; the development proposes a two-hundred and ten (210) unit affordable multifamily rental community at 4000 S. US Highway 1, Sound Meadows Apartments. ]

OPPORTUNITIES. IQ EVERYONE. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON. NOTIFICATION OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN WITH SUBMISSION UNDER THE LIVE LOCAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACT.

>> THIS IS , I THINK OUR VERY FIRST ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL OF A "LIVE LOCAL" PROJECT. THERE IS NO ACTION REQUIRED BY YOU TODAY . THIS IS SIMPLY JUST A NOTIFICATION TO YOU OF THE

ACTUAL PROJECT. >> IS THIS UNDER THE "LIVE LOCAL" ACT , WHICH MEANS THEY CAN DO THIS WITHOUT OUR

APPROVAL. PLEASE PROCEED. >> THANK YOU. AS STATED THIS PRESENTATION IS TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE "LIVE LOCAL" ACT

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AND REVIEW STANDARDS. >> MOVING ON TO THE PROJECT, SOUND MEADOWS APARTMENTS , THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE SP SOUND , LLC. THE PARTIAL I.D.S ARE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE.

>> IN SUMMARY, A SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DESIGN REVIEW FOR 210 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE RENTAL FAMILY COMMUNITY AT 4000 SOUTH US HIGHWAY 1. THE TOTAL SITE AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 16.8 ACRES. THE DENSITY IS THREE POINT TWO UNITS PER ACRE AND THE PROPERTY ZONING IS C -3 AND HAS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT WILL CONSIST OF NINE 24 UNIT BUILDINGS AND ONE 18 UNIT BUILDING TOTALING APPROXIMATELY , OVER 31,000 SQUARE FEET OF LIVABLE SPACE. FINALLY, THE COMMUNITY WILL BE GATED AND WILL CONSIST OF COMMUNITY CLUBHOUSE WITH A SPLASH PAD AT THE PLAY AREA AND MAINTENANCE BUILDINGS , PARKING , STORAGE AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED

DEVELOPMENT. >> HERE IS THE SITE LOCATION HIGHLIGHTING THE SURROUNDING STREETS OF SOUTH US HIGHWAY 1 .

AND AGAIN, THE SITE AREA IS 15.8 ACRES , GIVE OR TAKE.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD CHANCE.

>> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE HAD--CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? TO THE EAST WE HAVE US HIGHWAY 1 AND CHEVROLET DEALERSHIP THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED OVER A FEW TIMES.

IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE IS A STORMWATER DITCH THAT IS PART OF PLATTS CREEK EXTENSION THAT IS MAINTAINED BY SAN LUIS COUNTY THAT CAME UP IN CONVERSATION WITH GATOR TRACE FOR THE VILLAS THAT ARE BEING BUILT TO THE NORTH. HOW DOES THIS PROJECT TIE INTO THAT STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE? DO WE KNOW THAT? THAT WAS MY ONLY WORRY ABOUT THIS ENTIRE OBJECT WAS THE WETLAND IMPACT AND THE STORMWATER.

>> ALL I CAN SAY IS IT WAS REVIEWED BY OUR ENGINEERING IN THE COUNTY AND IT MEETS THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS. I CAN'T SAY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THAT DRAINAGE SYSTEM WILL DO. WE WERE AWARE OF THE DRAINAGE CANAL. OUR INPUT IS TO ENSURE IT MET THE STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS OF OUR STORMWATER TREATMET PLAN .

>> I JUST DIDN'T KNOW HOW THE SENATE BILL REQUIREMENTS OR THE FINAL DRAFT FOR THE FINAL BILL THAT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW AND HOW IT CAME INTO PLAY WITH STORMWATER THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED. I FEEL LIKE THE DEVELOPMENT OF ALL THESE COMMUNITIES WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS DONE THE HYDRAULIC CALCULATIONS.

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>> I HAVE A FULL STORMWATER ANALYSIS SUBMITTED WITH THE SUBMITTAL. SO, PROVIDING THAT WAS MET , WE ARE REQUIRED TO REVIEW THIS AS YOU WOULD A NORMAL ZONING SITE PLAN. SO, ALL THE INFORMATION THAT IS ANALYZED AND PROVIDED HAS TO MEET STATE AND LOCAL REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS .

IT WAS SIGNED OFF AS MEETING THOSE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH OF A SAY IN WHAT PEOPLE DO IN THESE DEVELOPMENTS. WE DO OFFER OUR INPUT , AS WE WOULD WITH A SITE PLAN . IF WE GET COMMENTS BACK WE WOULD PUSH THAT ISSUE . PROVIDING THE APPLICANT CAN SHOW AND DEMONSTRATE THEY MET THE REGULATIONS , THERE IS VERY LITTLE THAT WE, THE STAFF CAN ACTUALLY ENFORCE ON THESE

THINGS. >> IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE YOU WILL SEE WHERE IT CROSSES US HIGHWAY 1. I BELIEVE IT IS ON THERE. YOU CAN SEE IT DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE RED SQUARE ACROSS FROM US HIGHWAY 1. YOU SEE THE LITTLE LINE THAT MEANDERS THROUGH. YES, RIGHT THERE. I THINK IT IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PARCEL AND IT GOES BACK UP TO THE NORTH. I AM WORRIED ABOUT THE CITY RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON ONLY UNDER , SUNRISE AND EVENTUALLY, THAT LIVE ON THE NORTH FOLK --FORK OF PLATTS CREEK. THOSE ARE THE FOLKS I AM CONCERNED WITH, INCLUDING THE FORKS --FOLKS AROUND HERE. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY SUCH A DEVELOPMENT. IT IS HARD TO SEE THAT UNLESS SOMEONE DOES THE CALCULATIONS. I KNOW SOUTH FLORIDA IS INVOLVED IN JACK AND HIS TEAM ARE INVOLVED, BUT IT IS HARD WITH THE BILL THAT WAS PUT IN PLAY , UNLESS A JURISDICTION LIKE SOUTH FLORIDA PUT THEIR THUMB ON IT AND LOOKS AT THE OVERALL CAPACITY OF THE ENTIRE SYSTEM, IT IS HARD FOR US TO DO ANY LEGISLATION, WHATSOEVER. THANK YOU.

>> PROCEED. >> TANK YOU. HIGHLIGHTING THE MUNICIPAL LIMITS OF THE CITY AND COUNTY THAT SURROUND THE PROPOSED LOCATION , AND AGAIN THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTY IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THIS HIGHLIGHTS THE SURROUNDING FUTURE LAND USES BOTH IN COUNTY AND IN CITY. THE ZONING IS C 3, GENERAL COMMERCIAL. THIS MAP HIGHLIGHTS THE ZONING DISTRICTS SURROUNDING FOR COUNTY AND CITY. HERE IS THE SITE PLAN AND ON THIS PLAN WE SEE THE STRUCTURE LAYOUT OF BOTH THE BUILDINGS, AS WELL AS FEATURES AND THE AMENITIES THAT WILL BE PLACED THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.

>> THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS FOR THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT ARE HERE. THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT WILL CONSIST OF TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS . THE LANDSCAPE PLAN HIGHLIGHTING THE VEGETATION , THE PROPOSED VISITATION TO BE PLACED SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY .

CONSIDERING THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE SCHEDULE IS AS PROPOSED WITH OVER 100 TREES, OVER 100 SHRUBS , AS WELL AS GROUNDCOVERS .

>> CONDITIONS FOR APPROVAL , CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND IT SHALL ACKNOWLEDGE THE FOLLOWING, THAT ALL APPROVED LANDSCAPING SHALL BE INSTALLED, IRRIGATED AND MAINTAINED IN PERPETUITY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SECTION 123-7 OF THE CITY

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PURPOSES. >> QUESTIONS FROM STAFF?

>> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD FOR PLANNING WAS, WE HAVE IN OUR CODE OF ORDINANCES ABOUT STORMWATER PONDS AND I NOTICED THE POND IS IN THE FRONT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT. IS THAT THE

WATER FEATURE? >> THERE IS A WATER FEATURE AND PLANTING. ARE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT MAKES SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE RETENTION AREAS .

BECAUSE OF CODE REQUIREMENTS, WE DO INITIATE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF PLANTING TO BE PUT AROUND THOSE , SO IT LOOKS AS ATTRACTIVE AS POSSIBLE.

>> IT WILL BE A NICE AMENITY TO THE AREA. IT HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SO MANY YEARS NOW. AT THE SAME TIME, IT NEEDS TO BE

PRESENTABLE FOR THIS CORRIDOR. >> THESE ARE RENTALS?

>> YES. I BELIEVE SO. >> SO, WE HAVE NO ACTION ON

THIS. >> THERE IS NO ACTION REQUIRED FROM THE CITY COMMISSION OR THE PLANNING BOARD. IT DID GO THROUGH THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE AND IT DOES GO THROUGH REVIEW, AS YOU WOULD WITH THE EQUIVALENT OF A MINOR SITE PLAN. THAT COMPLIES WITH STATE STATUTE. AGAIN, UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS OF STATE STATUTE WE DO USE THE R 5 ZONING DISTRICT TO REVIEW THIS, WHICH IS A ZONING THE STRICT MOST COMPATIBLE TO MULTIFAMILY . THAT IS WHAT THE STATE STATUTE ORDERS THAT WE DO. SO, WE DO THAT AND WE RUN IT THROUGH THE

PROCESS. >> THAT ISTHE STANDARD YOU

MEASURE BY? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> YOU CAN BE ASSURED THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT OR OTHERS LIKE THIS COMING UNDER THIS LIVE LOCAL ACT , IT IS FULLY REVIEWED AND VETTED AND IT DOES MEET CITY AND WHATEVER OTHER AGENCY REQUIREMENTS .

>> IF THERE ARE SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN LIVING THERE DO YOU WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ?

>> YES, ALL ENTITIES ARE CONSULTED AND THE DEVELOPER APPLICANT HAS TO MEET WHATEVER REQUIREMENTS THERE ARE BY

WHATEVER AGENCY. >> OKAY, THIS IS NEW TERRITORY.

>> MADAME MAYOR? >> YES?

>> JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE RESIDENTS LISTENING TO US AND I AM PRETTY SURE THAT OTHER PROPERTIES WILL START COMING UNDER THIS BILL , AND I WANT IT TO BE CLEAR THAT OUR HANDS ARE KIND OF TIED. YOU GAVE SOME OF THE STUFF YOU DO, BUT PLEASE EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THAT WHEN WE GET SOMETHING UNDER ONE OF THESE SENATE BILLS , WHAT CAN THE CITY DUE? MY QUESTION IS, IF SOMETHING COMES IN THAT JUST WON'T WORK FOR US, UNDER THIS BILL , WHAT RIGHTS DO THE COMMISSION OR YOUR DEPARTMENT OR ANYBODY HAVE WITH THAT DEVELOPER? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? I DON'T WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT , BUT I NEED THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS GLANCING OVER. OUR HANDS ARE REALLY TIED BY THIS BILL. EVEN IF YOU SAW SOMETHING , WHAT OPTIONS DO YOU HAVE TO TRY TO FIX IT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE? PAYMENT AS YOU ARE SEEING ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THE STATE ENACTED

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IN OUR CASE, THAT IS 30 UNITS PER ACRE. THEY ALSO SAY, BECAUSE YOU CAN DO A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT THEY CONTROL OR ALLOW AN INCREASE IN THE FLOOR AREA RATIO, THAT IS THE AMOUNT OF OFFICE OR INDUSTRIAL FLOOR SPACE , PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL FLOOR SPACE YOU CAN HAVE IN ONE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS. THEY LOOK AT WHAT USES YOU COULD PUT IN THERE, MULTIFAMILY, AND MIXED-USE. IT DOES ALSO ALLOW UNITS TO BE IN OWNERSHIP OR RENT, PROVIDING THOSE UNITS MEET CRITERIA SET BY THE STATE BASED ON METROPOLITAN SERVICE AREAS. AND THAT SETS OUT THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME . THEY SAY MULTIFAMILY AS A CRITERIA AND THAT IS A DESIGNATION OF HOW MUCH THAT IS AND THEY SET IT AT 120% OF WHAT THE AVERAGE MEDIAN INCOME IS FOR THAT METROPOLITAN SERVICE AREA. SO, WE ARE UNDER A WIDER AREA . WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS OF INCOME . YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 35% MAXIMUM OF NONRESIDENTIAL IN THESE THINGS. EVEN THOUGH IT IS ON A COMMERCIAL LAND USE AND ZONING THEY ARE PUSHING TOWARDS A RESIDENTIAL USE ON THIS. AND PARKING, THEY ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO REQUEST A VARIANCE ON PARKING AUTOMATICALLY WITHIN THAT APPLICATION. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS ONE HAS DONE THAT, BUT YOU MAY SEE BEING APPROVED PARKING REDUCTIONS, I WOULD SAY ESSENTIALLY REDUCTIONS BASED ON MARKET ANALYSIS OF WHAT THEY SAY THEY WOULD REQUIRE TO MAKE THEIR DEVELOPMENT SUSTAINABLE .

THE STATE IS NOT REALLY CLEAR ON HOW TO HANDLE THAT. WE SAY THEY CAN REQUEST THAT REDUCTION AND THE CITY HAS TO ALLOW SOME REDUCTION, BUT THEY DON'T SAY WHAT IT SHOULD BE OR HOW WE ANALYZE THAT. YES , AND TO REITERATE , THE CITY COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS, IN TERMS OF A PUBLIC HEARING. THEREFORE , THE CITIZENS OF FT. PIERCE ALSO CANNOT REVIEW THIS IN A PUBLIC HEARING. WE REVIEW IT UNDER THE CITIES CODES . THERE IS NO LEEWAY . AND SOMETIMES, WE MAY

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>> I ASK THIS QUESTION BECAUSE I AM NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE ALL KNOW WE NEED IT . WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT, I AM LOOKING AT THE SITUATION HERE AND I KNOW MY COLLEAGUE TO MY LEFT IS GOING TO ASK ABOUT STORMWATER . I KNEW IT WAS COMING . WE JUST HAD THIS ISSUE WITH THE PROPERTY IN GATOR TRACE . SO, I KNEW IT WAS COMING. SO , DIRECTOR FREEMAN TO SEE YOU NOT BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN YOURSELF AS YOU WANT TO IS AN ISSUE FOR ME. WE DO HAVE TO FOLLOW STATE LAW. MY LAST QUESTION IS, AND MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT IT TO SIMPLY, BASICALLY THIS IS HOW I SEE IT , COMMISSIONER GAINES . YOU GUYS ARE GIVEN AN APPLICATION AND YOU ARE TOLD TO SPEND HOURS AND TIME REVIEWING THIS APPLICATION AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS APPLICATION YOU ARE BRINGING IT TO US TO SAY IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF THIS BILL . THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO US, BUT WE ARE GOING TO LET IT GO THROUGH. IS THAT WHAT I AM HEARING?

>> ESSENTIALLY, YES. WE WOULD ONLY BRING IT FORWARD OR APPROVE IT THROUGH OUR PROCESS IF IT MET ALL THE REGULATIONS WE HAVE IN PLACE. THE CONFIDENCE YOU CAN HAVE IN THIS PROCESS IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT STAFF HAS SPENT ALL OF THAT TIME AND EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT THIS MEETS THE CICELY, THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR CODE. THERE ARE NO VARIANCES. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS. THIS IS STRAIGHT CODE .

>> SO, ALL OF OUR CODES HAVE TO BE MAINTAINED UNDER THIS BILL?

>> YES. >> MY QUESTION IS, WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY WANTS A VARIANCE UNDER THIS BILL TO ONE OF OUR CODES ? CAN YOU STOP IT? CAN YOU SAY, NO , YOU CAN'T DO

THAT. >> YES. AND THAT WOULD TURN IT FROM A LIVE LOCAL INTO A MAJOR SITE PLAN OR A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, DEPENDING ON THE RANGE OF THAT VARIANCE

REQUESTED. >> OKAY. I AM A LITTLE EASIER NOW BECAUSE I CAN SEE--THE REASON I AM ASKING THESE QUESTIONS, I CAN SEE THIS LIVE LOCAL ACT BEING USED --OKAY,

THANK YOU. I WILL BE QUIET. >> ALL OF THAT WENT INTO IT WHENEVER THE PEOPLE MADE THE DECISION.

>> I WILL BE QUIET. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. I WAS A LITTLE FOGGY ON EXACTLY , WHAT TAKES PRIORITY HERE VERSUS THE LIVE LOCAL ACT.

MY CONCERN IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE EXPRESSED . FIRST OF ALL, ON THE STORMWATER ISSUE , THERE IS A STORMWATER ISSUE IN THAT AREA BETWEEN THE SAVANNAS AND GATOR TRACE. WE ARE CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING THIS ISSUE. I HAVE SPOKEN TO PUBLIC WORKS AND THEY HAVE INDICATED TO ME THEY ARE HANDS OFF ON THIS THING. BUT, IT IS THEIR EASEMENT. THEY HAVE TO GET INTO THE GAME. I HAVE

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COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON, I THINK THIS WILL EXACERBATE THAT PROBLEM. I AM FULLY CONFIDENT OF THAT, UNFORTUNATELY. MY MORE OFF TANGENT ISSUE IS THE METROPOLITAN AREA ASSESSMENT.

DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT THE PARAMETERS OF THE METROPOLITAN

AREA ARE ? >> IT IS QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL AREA USING THE ENTIRETY OF SAINT LUCIE AND IT MAY EXTEND A BIT FURTHER THAN THAT. I CAN GET COMMISSION A COPY OF THE

GEOGRAPHICAL MAP . >> THE ONLY REASON I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE EVALUATIONS ON MENTAL PRICE POINTS AS DETERMINED BY THE METROPOLITAN AREA. SO, THEY ARE UTILIZING INCOME STREAMS THAT ARE FAR IN EXCESS OF THE MEDIAN INCOME FOR LOWER INCOME LEVELS IN THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE. SO, IN MY REAL ESTATE ANALYSIS, WHAT IT INDICATES TO ME IS THAT WILL DRIVE THOSE NUMBERS UP AND THIS PROJECT WILL COME ONLINE AT MARKET VALUE, NOT AT A REDUCED AFFORDABLE HOUSING LEVEL VALUE.

WE HAVE ZERO INPUT TO THAT BECAUSE OF THE MARKET AREA. IF IT MIRRORS THE CPI, ETC. WE ARE LUMPED INTO WEST PALM BEACH.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF WEST PALM BEACH IS AS FAR SOUTH OF THAT.

I BELIEVE IT IS MARTIN COUNTY.

>> OKAY, SO THEN THE NUMBERS BECOME COMPLETELY SKEWED.

>> THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER.

>> SO, THIS COULD BE A SITUATION WHERE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IS BEING UTILIZED TO BUILD MARKET VALUE HOUSING , BUT ON AN EXPEDITED PROCESS , WOULD BE MY SPECULATION AND THAT IS VERY CONCERNING. I SEE THIS GETTING WORSE.

>> THAT WAS EXACTLY THE OBJECTION TO THE LEGISLATION .

PEOPLE SAW THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. AND , I BELIEVE IT

IS A FEDERAL DESIGNATION . >> IF YOU DRAW ON THE CPI NUMBERS YOU CAN GET IT RIGHT DOWN TO THE METROPOLITAN AREA.

LAST TIME I LOOKED FT. PIERCE SLUMPED ALL THE WAY DOWN INTO WEST PALM AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. THOSE NUMBERS ARE MEANINGLESS. BUT, THAT IS NOT FOR US TO DETERMINE. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SET THAT IN THE STATE GOVERNMENT ADOPTED IT. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS AND DEVELOPERS WILL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. I AM VERY CURIOUS TO SEE WHEN THIS PROJECT ACTUALLY COMES ON LONG WHAT THE RENTAL NUMBERS WILL BE FOR TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS BECAUSE THAT WILL TELL US IF THIS CONCEPT IS A FAILURE FOR THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE, OR NOT.

>> AND, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO TELL OUR STATE LEGISLATORS TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS AS WE WATCH THIS. IF WHAT THEY INTENDED IS NOT HAPPENING, THEY

NEED TO KNOW. >> WHEN WE SEE THE FOR RENT SIGNS GO UP I WILL STOP IN AND ASK WITH THE RENTAL RATES ARE

AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. >> I AM KARIOUS , THIS GROUP THAT IS BRINGING THIS FORWARD , DO WE HAVE ANY UNDERSTANDING --HAVE THEY DONE THIS TO THE SOUTH OF US?

>> I AM NOT SURE. >> I HAVE SEEN A NUMBER OF THESE AS I TRAVEL US HIGHWAY 1 DOWN TO THE MARTIN COUNTY AREA AND THE THINGS HAVE POPPED UP OVERNIGHT. I AM CURIOUS . IT GOES TO THE POINT THAT THEY ARE USING THE TERM, AFFORDABILITY IN A WAY WE DON'T AGREE WITH AND WHAT WE CONSIDER, AFFORDABLE. BASED ON WAGES AND SALARIES IN OUR AREA. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT WAGES HAVE BEEN SUPPRESSED FOR SO LONG HERE, WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP AND THE GATE IS BEING MOVED FURTHER FOR YOU TO RUN TWO. I THINK THIS WILL BUILD FRUSTRATION. WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT THE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY AND COUNTY NEED TO ENGAGE THEIR STATE LEGISLATURE --LEGISLATE TOURS , BOTH ON THE HOUSE SIDE AND ON THE SENATE SIDE SO THAT THEY HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM ON IMPACT BECAUSE THIS IS BEYOND THE CONTROL OF THE CITY COMMISSION OR COUNTY COMMISSION OR MAYOR. WE ARE JUST BEING TOLD THIS IS WHAT YOU MUST ACCEPT AND ALLOW TO HAPPEN IN YOUR COMMUNITY. I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR THAT THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY NEED TO SPEAK WITH THEIR STATE REPRESENTATIVES IN THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE . THEY REPRESENT US IN THIS AREA. MUCH LIKE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. I ALSO

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>> I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO FERRET OUT THE MARKET INFORMATION AND WHAT THEY ARE UP TO UNDO A CROSS COMPARISON TO ACTUAL MARKET RENT AND LET YOU KNOW WHAT I WILL FIND.

>> I AM PRETTY SURE THOSE APARTMENTS I HAVE SEEN ON US HIGHWAY 1 AS I GET INTO PORTIONS OF SAINT LUCIE ARE THE SAME ONES BEING BUILT HERE. THEY LOOK EXACTLY LIKE WHAT I HAVE SEEN DOWN THERE. I AM PRETTY SURE IT TO SOME OF THE

SAME DEVELOPERS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TANK YOU. WE TOLD YOU A LOT OF THINGS, TODAY THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT, BUT WE WANT OUR CITIZENS TO KNOW WHAT IS

[a. Discussion and direction regarding the final contract for Pay to Park Pilot Program with PCI Municipal Services.]

GOING ON. SO, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE WILL MOVE ON. NEXT IS A DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION REGARDING THE FINAL PROGRAM WITH PCI MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

>> WE HAVE WITH US, TODAY OUR COMMUNITY RESPONSE DIRECTOR.

SOME TIME AGO THE CITY AUTHORIZED STAFF TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS WITH PCI FOR OUR PAY TO PARK PROGRAM AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME OUTSTANDING QUESTIONS IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS SHE WILL REQUIRE ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE ON BEFORE THE CONTRACT CAN COME BACK BEFORE YOU AND FINAL FORM FOR

APPROVAL. >> GOOD MORNING, MADAME MAYOR , AND COMMISSIONERS. MISS COX IS CORRECT. WE BEGAN THE NEGOTIATIONS WITH PCI MUNICIPAL SERVICES. I WILL PRESENT SOME OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE NEGOTIATED AND ALREADY COME TO AGREEMENT ON. DURING THOSE DISCUSSIONS A FEW ITEMS CAME UP THAT WE REALIZED WE DO NEED TO COME BACK TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO GET MORE DIRECTION ON. SOME OF THE BASIC CONTRACT TERMS THAT OF ARTIE BEEN AGREED UPON IS THAT THE CONTRACTOR, WHICH IS PCI WILL MANAGE THE ENTIRE PROCESS. BULLET NUMBER ONE SAYS THEY WILL MANAGE THE ENTIRE PROCESS FOR THE PAY TO PARK.

THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM JUST AT THREE PARKS ON THE BEACH PACHE . WE WILL PROVIDE ACCOUNTING REPORTS WITH REVENUE, MAINTENANCE FEES, OPRATING EXPENSES, ETC. THEY WILL PROVIDE DAILY AND MONTHLY REPORTS FROM EVERYTHING ABOUT OCCUPANCY TO CUSTOMER SERVICE AND THEY WILL ALSO SUBMIT A DETAILED MONTHLY LIST OF ACCOUNTS RECEIVABLE. HOW MUCH MONEY IS BROUGHT IN FROM THE VARIOUS TYPES OF FEES. AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE THREE THINGS WE NEED TO GET MORE DIRECTION ON. THE FIRST ONE IS STAFF HOURS. THE SECOND ONE IS PARKING PERMITS AND THE MANAGEMENT FEE. THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF FEE SCHEDULES WE COULDN'T CHOOSE FROM. SO, THE FIRST ONE ABOUT STAFF HOURS IS WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT 8:00 A.M. UNTIL 8:00 P.M. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK OR IF WE WANT TO INCLUDE A 24 HOUR STAFFING ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY NIGHT. AS A REMINDER, THIS IS JC PARK , JETTY PARK AND SOUTH CAUSEWAY.

TWO OF THEM HAVE PROGRAMS THAT ARE USED AND ONE HAS NIGHTTIME ACTIVITIES AT LOCAL BUSINESSES. YOU CAN SEE I PUT LITTLE ASTERISKS NEXT TO OPTION NUMBER TWO BECAUSE STAFF BELIEVES IT MIGHT BE BEST TO BE DOING 24 HOURS ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY NIGHT, BUT THIS IS A DECISION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE.

IT ALSO AFFECTS THE PRICING. WE HAVE TO ADD $25,000 TO THE PROPOSED FEE IF WE ARE GOING TO ADD THE 24 HOUR OPTION. WE DO HAVE THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM PCI HERE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> DO WE WANT TO TAKE EACH OF THESE QUESTIONS AS THEY COME UP, SINCE THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT QUESTIONS FOR YOU TO ADDRESS?

>> I WILL DO WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS, BUT MY INCLINATION IS TO HEAR THE WHOLE THING FIRST.

>> UNDERSTOOD. >> THE SECOND THING TO DISCUSS IS WHETHER OR NOT TO DO FREE PARKING PERMITS FOR THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE RESIDENCE, ONLY OR TO DO FREE PARKING PERMITS FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND CITY RESIDENTS. THIS WILL BE A MAIN

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OBVIOUSLY , IT IMPACTS YOUR INCOME AND IT WILL ALSO INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE FEE. THERE ARE SOME CONSIDERATIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT ONE OF THE ITEMS FOR CONSIDERATION ARE THE FUNDING SOURCES AND DO WE RECEIVE ANY FUNDING FROM THE STATE OR COUNTY TO MAINTAIN OUR PARKS. FROM THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED IS THAT ALL OF THE FUNDING COMES STRICTLY FROM THE GENERAL FUND. WE DO NOT RECEIVE MONEY FROM THE COUNTY TO MAINTAIN OUR PARKS OR FROM THE STATE. THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND AS WE MAKE THIS DECISION. SOME BASIC REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS, AND THIS CAME FROM INPUT FROM PCI. THEY HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND BACKGROUND FOR THIS. THEY ARE RECOMMENDING $3.00 PER HOUR WITH A $23 MAXIMUM DAILY FEE FOR PARKING. THE PERMITS ARE FREE BUT THERE IS AN ADMINISTRATION FEE FOR GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT IS $3.50. ARCING CITATIONS WILL BE AT THE CITY'S CURRENT PARKING RATES. AND THE REVENUE INCLUDES ALL OF THE FEES FOR PARKING, AS WELL AS THE CITATION REVENUE.

OF COURSE, SALES TAX AND CREDIT CARD FEES ARE DEDUCTED BEFORE THE REVENUE IS DETERMINED. BASED ON THAT ESTIMATION ON REVENUE FROM PCI , YOU CAN SEE I HAVE FOUR OPTIONS. OPTION ONE IS A FLAT RATE MANAGEMENT FEE. WE PAY X NUMBER OF DOLLARS EVERY MONTH , REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS. AND OF COURSE, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT FEES FOR THAT AND THAT IS WITH THE CITY RESIDENT PERMIT AND THE CITY COUNTY RESIDENT PERMIT.

PROJECTED REVENUE IS SHY OF 700,000. THE FLAT RATE TO PCI IS 264 , OR 289 DEPENDING ON THE STAFFING. CITY AND COUNTY PROJECTED REVENUE IS 484 AND THE FLAT RATE 312 OR 337 DEPENDING ON THE STAFFING , VERSUS A REVENUE SHARE. REVENUE SHARE HAS THE SAME INCOME PROJECTIONS WITH 40% OR 46% TO 60% AND 66% , AND THAT IS WHAT WE PAY TO PCI. BASICALLY, IT FLIP-FLOPS. REVENUE SHARE WITH JUST CITY RESIDENT, WE PAY 40 AND KEEP 60. REVENUE AND COUNTY, WE FLIP-FLOPPED IT.

THAT IS HOW THE REVENUE SHARE GOES. WE DID DO TWO EVALUATIONS. IN 2021-2022 I PRESENTED A REPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION BASED ON CITATIONS ISSUED. WE FOUND THAT 34% OF THE CITATIONS WERE ISSUED TO OUT OF COUNTY RESIDENTS , WHILE 64% OF THE CITATIONS WERE ISSUED TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENTS. I DID NOT BREAK THAT OUT INTO CITY OR COUNTY, IT JUST SHOWED HOW MANY PEOPLE CAME IN FROM OUT OF TOWN. IN 2023 WE TOOK PICTURES AVEREE LICENSE PLATE IN THE PARK TWO OR THREE TIMES OVER THE WEEKEND TO SEE WHO WAS COMING IN TO USE THE PARKS AND WE RAN THAT REPORT AND IT WAS VERY SURPRISING. ONLY 15% OF THE LICENSE PLATE WE FOUND ACTUALLY SAID, CITY OF FT. PIERCE. 40% WERE ST. LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENTS. THAT COULD BE PART CITY AND PART COUNTY. I HAVE TO GO WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE. 45% WERE EITHER OUT OF ST.

LUCIE COUNTY OR OUT-OF-STATE. THAT WAS JUST OCCUPANCY, WHO WAS PARKED AT THE PARKS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

>> HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU DO IT?

>> WE DID THREE DAYS AT RANDOM TIMES. AT 11:00 AND 2:00. IT WAS RANDOM TIMES THREE DIFFERENT TIMES.

>> WHAT TIME OF YEAR? >> I DON'T REMEMBER NOW.

>> THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

>> I WANT TO SAY IT WAS LAST OCTOBER. THAT IS THE PRESENTATION. I WILL BACKUP AND GO TO THE FUSE --FIRST FEW

ITEMS WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. >> I-4 WE TALK ABOUT THE HOURS , DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE WITH THE CITY AND COUNTY? THAT IS SOMETHING WE ALL NEED TO KNOW BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS

DISCUSSION. >> YES. WHEN THIS ITEM WAS

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ESSENTIALLY, IN MY RESEARCH THE ISSUE THAT HAS COME UP IS THAT THIS TRIGGERS AN EQUAL PROTECTION ANALYSIS. WHEN YOU ARE TREATING TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS DIFFERENTLY, ARE YOU ABLE TO LEGALLY DO THAT? UNDER THAT CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISION , YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU MEET CERTAIN CRITERIA. THIS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY A PROTECTED CLASS. THAT CREATES A BURDEN WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS FOR WHAT WE ARE DOING. WHAT JUSTIFIES THE DISTINCTION WE ARE TREATING THE TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS IS THE QUESTION. IN MY RESEARCH THERE ARE A COUPLE OF ATTORNEY GENERAL QUESTIONS THAT DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE, FOR YOU ARE TREATING RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENTS DIFFERENTLY AND FEES THEY HAVE TO PAY. THE BIG QUESTION COMES DOWN TO, WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT? HERE , WE HAVE PARKS FUNDED BY CITY FUNDING.

IF YOU LOOK AT THESE AG OPINIONS , THESE ARE DEALING WITH RECREATIONAL FACILITIES AT THE MUNICIPAL LEVEL AND AT A STATE LEVEL WITH PARKS. SO, THE BASIS THAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH AS TO WHY THERE IS A DISTINCTION IN CHARGES IS WHAT IT COSTS US TO MAINTAIN THESE PARKS. SO, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS WE WENT TO MR. REELS AND INFORMATION HE GAVE US, IS THAT THE FUNDING FOR THESE PARKS IS COMING ENTIRELY FROM THE CITY. IT IS NOT FROM TH COUNTY OR THE STATE. BASED ON THAT, WHEN WE DO AN EQUAL PROTECTION OF VALUATION IT IS MY OPINION THAT WE MAY HAVE AN ISSUE TO EXTENDING IT TO A COUNTY LEVEL. BASED ON THE INFORMATION I HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WE CAN JUSTIFY THE DISTINCTION OF PROVIDING CITY RESIDENTS FREE PARKING, BUT I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND THAT UNDER AN LEGAL ANALYSIS WITH THREE SPECIFIC PARKS AND HOW THEY ARE FUNDED BEING EXTENDED TO A COUNTY LEVEL. IF WE ARE TO CONSIDER THIS PROJECT ELSEWHERE OR IN AN EXPANDED CAPACITY, THAT MY BE DIFFERENT FOR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS, BUT THESE THREE THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING, THAT IS MY RECOMMENDATION.

>> >> DO WE KNOW WHAT FUNDS ARE USED TO MAINTAIN PARKS? I HEARD GENERAL FUND, BUT I DON'T KNOW

IF MPRA FUNDS ARE USED . >> I DO NOT KNOW THAT ANSWER.

WE WERE TOLD IT WAS CITY FUNDING. WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK

AT THAT. >> WOULD PUT US IN A BETTER POSITION IF WE WERE TO CONTRIBUTE THOSE FUNDS TO THE

MAINTENANCE OF THESE PARKS? >> DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE

COMING FROM. >> DIDN'T THE COUNTY SAY THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BEACHES ON THE DUNE SIDE?

>> YES. >> AND, DOESN'T THE COUNTY ENHANCE THE JETTY PARK? THOSE WERE FPRA FUNDS.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I-4 ANY OF US WERE HERE, DIDN'T THE CAUSEWAY PARK TURNED OVER TO US FROM THE

COUNTY? >> IT HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH.

>> >> OKAY, CITY AND COUNTY AND BACK TO US. OKAY. SO MS. HEDGES AND I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND I AM NOT HAPPY WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO EXCLUDE COUNTY RESIDENTS. I THINK THIS WILL BE A BIG CHANGE TO CHARGE FOR OUR BEACHES AND PEOPLE FEEL VERY ENTITLED TO FREE ACCESS TO OUR BEACHES AND OUR WATERWAYS. THE WAY THEY GET IT IS THROUGH THE PARKS. SO, THIS IS ALREADY GOING TO CAUSE --I JUST WANT TO TELL THIS COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, WHEN THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, THERE WILL BE A HUGE OUTCRY. WE WILL BE

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HEARING FROM EVERYBODY. >>

>>> HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT , I UNDERSTAND , WE HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND I AM VERY CONCERNED THAT IF WE DO CITY AND NOT COUNTY FROM A PUBLIC STANDPOINT, THE PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO UNDERSTAND THAT, I UNDERSTAND FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT I JUST THINK THAT'S A BIG ISSUE WE WILL HAVE TO FACE AS A COMMISSION. I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THINK ABOUT WHY WE ARE DOING THIS. WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE WE WERE FEELING THAT NON- TAXPAYERS WERE MONOPOLIZING A LOT OF THE TERRITORY ON OUR POPULAR PARKS AND THEY WANTED OUR OWN RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO USE THE POPULAR PARKS. SO I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS STEP ANYWAY. WE HAVE TO BE VERY PREPARED FOR IT AND WE HAVE TO PREPARE OUR CITIZENS FOR IT AND I THINK THERE WILL BE A HUGE OUTCRY FROM THE COUNTY RESIDENTS AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY AND WE HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT. SO, WE CAN CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE NOW OR I WILL OPEN UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF GENERAL POINTS. IF YOU DON'T MIND. SO, THIS IS A TOUGH CONVERSATION, BUT MY RECOLLECTION HOW WE GOT HERE IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. NUMBER ONE I WOULD NOT SAY WE ARE LIMITING ACCESS TO THE BEACH. THERE STILL ACCESS AND FREE ACCESS TO THE BEACH AREAS HERE, WE HAVE THREE PARKS THAT ARE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THERE HAS BEEN INCREASING AMOUNTS OF VANDALISM . DOWNRIGHT DEGRADING OF THE FACILITIES WE HAVE. THE BATHROOMS, I GET CONSTANT COMPLAINTS FROM LOCAL CITIZENS THAT TRIED TO GO THERE ABOUT THE CLEANLINESS OF BATHROOMS AT THESE PARKS AND WHAT I SEE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE EVEN BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE TO GET CLEANER BATHROOMS BECAUSE WE NEED MORE MAINTENANCE WORKING PARTICULARLY ON THE WEEKEND TO MAKE SURE THE BATHROOMS ARE CLEANED, STAFFED AND WHAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE A PRISTINE OPPORTUNITY. FOR ME IT'S LOOKING AT NUMBER ONE, WHAT HAVE WE BEEN SPENDING ON THESE FACILITIES? NOT JUST BROKEN COMMODES AND EVERYTHING TO BE REPAIRED, BUT ALSO DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE STAFFING TO MAKE SURE THESE BATHROOMS ARE CLEAN AND PRESENTABLE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT USE THEM? IN MY MIND THAT IS ONE WAY WE ARE LOOKING AT EVEN THE THOUGHT OF CHARGING THIS. AS FAR AS YOU ARE RIGHT, THE COUNTY MAY HAVE THAT BUT IT COMES WITH EDUCATION OF HELPING THE COMMUNITY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE FACED WITH BECAUSE WE PAY FOR THAT FROM GENERAL FUNDS, THE SAME GENERAL FUNDS CHALLENGED AND THREATENED, NOT THREATENED, CHALLENGED WITH HOW DO WE PROVIDE OTHER RESOURCES FOR PUBLIC WORKS AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. ALL OF THOSE FUNDS COME OUT OF THE SAME FUND. FOR ME, IT'S THE CONSTANT INCREASE IN COST TO DO BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OR ANYWHERE, YET THERE ARE NO OPPORTUNITIES TO OFFSET THAT OR MITIGATE WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. I SEE NOTHING GOING IN TO HELP WITH THIS SO WE HAVE TO FACE THIS, IT IS A TOUGH CONVERSATION. IF WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, TO SUPPORT LAW ENFORCEMENT, TO SUPPORT PUBLIC WORKS, TO PROVIDE CLEAN BATHROOMS AND MAYBE EVEN JOBS FOR PEOPLE TO DO THAT TYPE OF WORK , WE HAVE TO GET MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE. CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT RECREATIONAL ASPECTS OF THESE PARKS THAT WE MAINTAIN IS ONE ASPECT OF IT.

FROM A CITY RESIDENT, GO BACK TO THE NUMBERS THAT SHOW THE PEOPLE WHO UTILIZE IT. IT IS A LITTLE STARTLING WITH THE UTILIZATION. IT APPEARS BASED ON YOUR EVALUATION , CITY

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ALONG WITH THESE PARKS. >> GOOD POINTS. ONE QUICK POINT THAT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY LIVE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BECAUSE THEY HAVE A POOR -- FORT PIERCE ADDRESS. SOME PEOPLE IN THE SOUTH , SOME PEOPLE AT PARADISE PARK. I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> THE GENESIS OF THIS PROGRAM CAME THROUGH THE PARK COMMITTEE. THIS WAS A DISCUSSION POINT BASED ON USABILITY, TENANTS AND DOLLAR GENERATION, THOSE THREE COMPONENTS WERE BEING LOOKED AT. THE , I THINK I REPORTED A COUPLE YEARS BACK THAT THE BURDEN PLACED ON CITY FINANCES FOR THE OPERATION OF PARKS FOR THE USE OF EVERYBODY WAS EXTENSIVE AND WE NEED TO RECAPTURE SOME OF THE FUNDING FOR THE GENERAL FUND AND AGAIN WE COME BACK TO THE COMPARISON , $63 MILLION BUDGET FISCAL YEAR COMING UP. AND THE DEMANDS ON THE BUDGET ARE SUCH THAT WE CANNOT MEET THE DEMAND, LET'S FACE THE FACTS WE CANNOT MEET THE DEMAND ON THE BUDGET WITH WHAT OUR DEPARTMENTS REQUIRE. SO THIS WAS THE ANGLE TO GENERATE SOME REVENUE FROM THE CITY, SHIFT THE BURDEN OF REVENUE GENERATION OFF THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY FOR FOLKS WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE CITY BOUNDARIES AND THE COUNTY RESIDENTS WERE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. PARKING COMMITTEE TO NOT BENEFIT OF INFORMATION WHEN RICK INTIMATION WAS MADE TO INCLUDE ST. LUCIE AND THAT WOULD SHIFT THE DISCUSSION TO CITY ONLY FREE USE OF THE PARKS. LOOK AT THE COMPETING TOWNS AROUND US. LET'S USE DELRAY, BEACHFRONT AREA . THERE IS NO FREE PARKING. EVERYTHING IS A METER OR KIOSK WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. THIS IS A NEW DISCUSSION FOR THE CITY AND AN OLD DISCUSSION FOR BEACHFRONT TOWNS I BELIEVE IT'S TIME FOR US TO REAP THE BENEFIT TO BRING IN THE DOLLARS TO THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THOSE FACILITIES IN A HIGHER REGARD, SIMPLY PUT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON THEY ARE NOT MAINTAINED TO THE LEVEL THEY SHOULD BE. I WAS AT JETTY PARK THIS MORNING AT 530 IN THE MORNING USING THE RESTROOM FACILITY. CITY STAFF WAS ALREADY THERE FORTUNATELY. I THINK THEY TOOK A POWER WASHER TO THE MEN'S ROOM. WALLS AND CEILINGS, EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WAS POWER WASHED SO THAT TELLS YOU HOW BAD IT PROBABLY WAS. THEY CANNOT EVEN MANAGE THE TRASH PICKUP AND THAT'S NOT JUST PUBLIC WORKS PROBLEM, WE DO SUBCONTRACT SOME WORK OUT THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS AND IT COMES OUT OF THEIR BUDGET. IF WE NEED TO ENHANCE THOSE SERVICES I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE THAT IN THE FUTURE. TO GET A REPORT FROM PUBLIC WORKS. I KNOW THE MAYOR IS DOWN THERE CLEANING , PERSONALLY PICKING UP TRASH AND

ALLTHIS TYPE OF THING. >> I WAS THERE YESTERDAY. I SAW THE PORTA POTTY'S. YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT.

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>> IN JETTY PARK WE PAY FOR OFF-DUTY POLICE TO PATROL. SO WE HAVE DIRECT COSTS, OUT-OF-POCKET. WE ARE WRITING CHECKS FOR MAINTENANCE AND SECURITY. THESE COSTS NEED TO BE SHARED BY THE USERS AND I'M NOTICING THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE, THEY ARE PUTTING ENOUGH MONEY INTO THIS LET'S GET ON BOARD WITH THE BREAKDOWNS AND CHARTS THE OTHER FOLKS WHO ARE USING FACILITIES FOR FREE. DRIVING FROM FEDERAL HIGHWAY OR WHATEVER 95 FEDERAL HWY. TO THE PARKS USING THE PARKS FOR FREE GETTING BACK IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVING OUT OF TOWN. WE CAN ONLY HOPE THEY ARE STOPPING AT RESTAURANTS TO SPEND MONEY THERE, BUT THAT IS MINIMAL IMPACT ON OUR BUDGET NEEDS SO THIS IS A WAY TO CHIP AWAY AT THE DEFICIT SCENARIO BY BRINGING IN NON-STANDARDIZED INCOME STREAMS.

>> WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT? >> COMPOSED AND READY.

>> FIRST TIME IN A LONG TIME I HAVE HAD TO SIT BACK AND RETHINK SOME THINGS BECAUSE MY MIND WAS HURT UP , MY QUESTION IS THIS. GOING BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID COMMISSIONER JOHNSON WITH THIS FPRA MONEY . WE REALLY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PORTIONS OF THAT MONEY , AS YOU JUST SAID, IS GOING TO THESE PARKS. BECAUSE THAT GIVES US BACK WITH THE COUNTY WITH COUNTY RESIDENTS. IF WE ARE PAYING FPRA MONEY TO PAY POLICE OFFICERS, RIGHT? WE ARE DOING THAT AND I THINK YOU SAID THERE IS SOME FPRA MONEY GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE DUNES. WE NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT BECAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE US, WE WERE ALL GUNG WITH THIS BECAUSE ALL COUNTY RESIDENTS COULD PARK FOR FREE. NOW WE UNDERSTAND THE PARKING COMMITTEE DID NOT HAVE THESE RULINGS AND NOT FACED WITH HAVING THESE RULINGS. I WAS LOOKING FORWARD , I THOUGHT THE RATIONALE GOING BACK INTO THIS, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE OUTSIDE RESIDENT OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY WERE COMING HERE TO HELP US PAY FOR SOME OF THESE COSTS AS YOU GUYS HAVE STATED. THAT WAS THE INITIAL INTENT. NOW I'M HERE AND UNDERSTAND WE NEED THE MONEY, WE NEED TO FIND SOME MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF FORT PIERCE AND THE RESIDENTS. NOW I AM HEARING THAT IT'S NOT PEOPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE ST. LUCIE COUNTY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE PAY FOR IT NOW. WE WANT EVERYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT'S WHY I HAVE AN ISSUE AND I NEED TO DETERMINE WHAT AMOUNT OF FPRA MONEY IS GOING TO ANYTHING ON THESE PARKS. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO FIGURE OUT AND THAT'S WHERE I AM TORN. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS TAXING ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY YOU COME TO USE THE PARKS THAT PAY FOR THEM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE ORIGINALLY SAID. LIKE YOU SAID COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, IF YOU GO TO DELRAY , YOU PROBABLY GO TO INDIAN RIVER COUNTY SOMEWHERE. YOU WILL PAY FOR PARKING. I KNOW BROWARD COUNTY AND PALM BEACH COUNTY, YOU PAY FOR THE PARKS AND IF YOU WANT A GOOD SPOT YOU PAY FOR THAT TO PARK. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM

CHARGING FOR PARKING. >> THAT'S WHY THEY COME HERE.

>> IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S NOT HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

ON THE WEST COAST I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S EVEN FREE PARKING ON THE WEST COAST. WE BROUGHT THIS UP. WE WERE FOCUSED ON PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY. NOW WE ARE TRYING TO

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FPRA FUNDS ARE BEING SPENT. >> EXCUSE ME FOR INTERRUPTING YOU, BUT I THINK SHE WAS TRYING.

>> FPRA FUNDS ARE NOT USED TO MAINTAIN THESE PARKS, THEY CANNOT BE USED FOR MAINTENANCE. WE CAN DO THE SPECIAL DUTY DETAIL FROM SPECIFIED PROJECTS BUT FPRA FUNDS ARE NOT USED.

WERE USED TO PURCHASE YES, BUT NOT USED FOR ANY MAINTENANCE. I DO WANT TO PUT IT OUT THAT THE FPRA IS PAYING FOR THE FREEBIE SERVICE. IN THE EVENT YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR PARKING, YOU COULD SAY THE CITY PARKING GARAGE AND GRAB A FREE RIDE TO THE BEACH.

THAT'S NOT LIMITED TO WHO COULD USE THE SERVICE.

>> TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, WHAT I BELIEVE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ADD INFORMATION, BUT THERE'S THE OPTION OF A ANNUAL

PERMIT. >> IT WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT. THE STATE PARK DOES FIVE DOLLARS FOR EVERYBODY. FLORIDA

RESIDENT OR NOT. >> CORRECT SO YOU CAN DO ANNUAL PERMITS OPEN TO ANYBODY REGARDLESS OF LOCATION TO PURCHASE AND SET IT AS A FEE. AND THE CITY CAN PURCHASE ANNUAL PERMIT FOR WHATEVER THE FEE IS. THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN

EXPAND ON THAT. >> YES, IT WOULD COME DOWN TO THE ANALYSIS RELATED TO IF YOU'RE CHARGING DIFFERENT RATES, BUT IF THE DISCUSSION IS CHARGING SAME RATES YOU COULD SET IT UP TO YOU HAVE THE ANNUAL PARKING FEE THAT SOMEONE COULD PURCHASE INSTEAD OF DOING HOURLY RATES.

>> INSIDE AND OUTSIDE THE CITY OR OUTSIDE THE CITY ANYWHERE?

>> I BELIEVE YOU CAN JUSTIFY FREE PARKING UNDER THAT, IT

WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE CITY. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON YOU

HAVE NOT TALKED YET? >> THE EMAILS ARE GOING TO BE STRONG , YOU THOUGHT WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION , THE EMAIL , YOUR EMAIL INBOX WILL BE LIT UP. MINE WILL BE TOO. DOES NOT MATTER CITY OR COUNTY. THAT DOES NOT GIVE US ANY MORE HELP TRYING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THIS STARTED , THE TRUE CONVERSATION STARTED IN THE PANDEMIC. THE PARKS OPEN, WE DO WHAT WE DO. EVERYONE WAS CLOSED AND EVERYONE CAME HERE. I WITNESSED IT FIRSTHAND AND THAT WAS A MESS. A NUMBER OF THINGS COME TO MIND. THIS IS A TRICKY SITUATION. I WILL GO BACK TO WHAT COMMISSIONER GAINES WAS ASKING FOR, NOT WHAT MONIES CONTRIBUTED, BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE SPENDING SPECIFICALLY. HOW MANY HOURS PER WEEK. A STRAIGHT ANNUAL CALCULATION. WHAT WE SPEND OF THE BUDGET TO MAINTAIN PARKS, WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SPECIFICALLY? HOW MANY HOURS ARE SPENT? WE CAN SAY THERE ARE TWO OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THE BEACH TO MAKE A ROUTINE, THEY DRIVE BY, PUT IN THE HOURLY RATE ON IT. THE REASON I BRING IT UP IS BECAUSE THESE PARKS HAVE A CAPACITY SO WHEN I THINK OF CAPACITY THAT MEANS I HAVE A CEILING AND I CAN ONLY ACCEPT SO MANY PEOPLE IN THE PARK. WEATHER IT'S SO MANY PARKING SPACES BEING USED.

AND THERE IS CHANGEOVER AND MARKET ANALYSIS. LIKE YOU ARE DOING BUSINESS ROI SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. I ASKED THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CAPACITY IS. WHAT IS IT WHEN IT'S OF ITS HIGHEST USE IN PEAK HOUR AND THAT'S IN THE WEEDS BUT THOSE QUESTIONS COME TO MIND BECAUSE I WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE ARE SPENDING ON MAINTAINING PARKS, TRULY.

WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO RECOUP? WHAT'S THE RATE? I WILL SEE THE OPTIONS HERE, DOES THAT MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE, IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE CHARTS THERE IS A TIERED SYSTEM FOR EVEN GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. ARE YOU AT TEAR A OR EVERYTHING SMELLS LEMON FRESH, ARE YOU AT

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>> WE DO HAVE PCI , THE PROFESSIONAL IN THIS AREA WHO MAY BE ABLE TO PROVIDE. FOR THE PARKING.

>> YES AND THIS IS ALL PART OF THE CONVERSATION. I WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM, BUT THOSE ARE MY PARTS AND PIECES OF THINKING ABOUT ARE WE SPENDING TRULY AND TRYING TO RECUPERATE. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE GOT AND THIS WILL NOT BE WELL RECEIVED I'M SURE. BUT THAT'S OKAY, IT'S A CONVERSATION PIECE. WE HAVE OUR CSI PROGRAM AND WHERE THOSE FUNDS? I KNOW WHERE THEY ARE RESERVED AND HOW THEY ARE SPENT MOSTLY, BUT WHERE AND HOW MUCH? BECAUSE SHOULD GO TO PARKS OR NOT I DON'T KNOW. THESE ARE ALL QUESTIONS IN MY MIND THAT WE ARE COLLECTING 300,000 PLUS PER YEAR. SO WHERE DO EACH OF THOSE FUNDS? DOES IT MAKE SENSE? DOES IT GINGERLY ALLOCATE THOSE? WE PROMISED THE PUBLIC THEY WERE GOING TO REVIEW IT, WE PROMISED THE PUBLIC IT WAS BASED ON CLEAN AND SAFE INITIATIVES. DOES THIS QUALIFY? I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION. THAT STILL FOR THE TAXPAYER. EACH ONE RECEIVES THE UTILITY BILL. THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE CAPTURING REVENUE FROM OUT-OF-STATE FOLKS SO THAN AT THE SAME TIME, IN MY CONVERSATIONS, IN MY POLLING FOLKS WHO COME HERE MAY BE A RESIDENT BUT ARE NOT HOMESTEAD , THEY ARE PAYING EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE TO THE BUDGET , EXPECTING THE SAME SERVICE. THEY ARE SAYING WAIT A SECOND ALREADY PAY A HIGHER RATE, I LIVE IN YOUR CITY I'M JUST NOT HOMESTEAD. HOW DOES THAT QUALIFY AND HOW IS THAT ADDRESSED WITH ANOTHER QUESTION? HOW DO WE LOOK UP A LICENSE PLATE THAT SAYS FORT PIERCE , DOES THAT MEAN THEY ARE A RESIDENT , INSTEAD RESIDENT? FOR THE DISCUSSION POINT AND LEGALLY. DOES IT MATTER?

>> DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT NOW OR THINK ABOUT IT?

>> MME. MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS THAT ANALYSIS OF WHO WAS USING THE PARKS WAS MORE FOR YOUR OWN INTERNAL IDEAS OF WHY ARE WE DOING THIS, SHOULD WE BE DOING THIS? WHEN IT COMES TO LEGAL ANALYSIS OF HOMESTEAD OR NOT WHO IS PAYING THE TAXES AND CONTRIBUTING FINANCIALLY TO THOSE PARKS. A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO POINT OUT A LITTLE OFF TOPIC SO I DO APOLOGIZE. IT WOULD'VE BEEN EASIER TO COME AND SAY ABSOLUTELY WE CAN DO FREE FOR THE COUNTY. I WISH WE WOULD'VE DONE THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AT ALL. SO MY ANALYSIS BASED ON THE INFORMATION I HAVE, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS RAISED AND POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, WHAT I CAN DO BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THIS IS BROUGHT BACK IS INVESTIGATE FPRA AND DIFFERENT PURCHASES TO SEE IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ENT OFF WHAT WE WER JOHNSON AND I CAN INVESTIGATE FURTHER TO SEE IF THERE'S A LINK ELSE THAT EXISTS THAT WE DID NOT UNCOVER , TO COME TO A DIFFERENT ANSWER. IT IS NOT IN THE SENSE OF WE WANT TO JUSTIFY. THE EVIDENCE NEEDS TO JUSTIFY THE DECISION. I AM HAPPY TO LOOK INTO THE QUESTIONS RAISED TO SEE IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WE DO NOT HAVE ORIGINALLY THAT MAY CREATE A RATIONAL RELATIONSHIP THAT WE ARE

LOOKING FOR. >> MME. ATTORNEY CAN I PUT ON THE LIST , I AM CURIOUS TO KNOW ABOUT THIS, ABOUT THIS ANNUAL FEE. ANNUAL PERMIT FEE, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE AND HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET WITH NEGOTIATIONS, THEY HAVE DONE THIS. IT TO STOP SOME EMAILS BUT IT DON'T STOP ALL OF THEM. IT GIVES SOMEBODY WHO USES THE BEACH A LOT AN OPTION TO CONTINUE TO GO AND ACCOMPLISHES WHAT WE ARE TRYING

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BOTTOM LINE, TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE REQUESTS AS THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID THAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED FROM THIS BODY ONLY WAY TO DO THAT TO GET THE 63 MILLION UP YET TO JUSTIFY AND START MAKING MORE REVENUE SO WE CAN DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I WOULD BE VERY CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT THE ANNUAL PERMIT , THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED. THE ANNUAL PERMIT FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS OR NON-RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WOULD LOOK LIKE. HOPEFULLY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE WORTHWHILE. PUT A BIG NUMBER OUT THERE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. JUST BE HONEST IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN . OKAY, NO PERMIT , GET A TICKET. BE HONEST NO PERMIT GO TO THE BEACH GET A TICKET

AND A TICKET RUNS WHAT? >> TYPICALLY $50. IT DEPENDS IF

YOU ARE A REPEAT OFFENDER. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. JUST BEING REALISTIC. SINCE I CANNOT TALK TO MY COLLEAGUES LET'S BE REALISTIC. I AM A COUNTY RESIDENT CITY OF FORT PIERCE BUT I COUNTY RESIDENTS. WHENEVER IT COMES IN, MY FRIEND COMES IN TODAY I SAY LET'S GO TO THE PARK. TRY TO AVOID THE $20. MAYBE LET'S PAY $20 AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT SAY LET'S SEE IF THEY CATCH ME AND IF THEY CATCH ME IT'S $50. SO I WILL PAY $50 AND MY FRIENDS GO AND WE HAVE FUN. IF I GET SOMETHING THAT SAYS MAYBE I PAY $50 I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT IN MY EXAMPLE $50 ANNUAL FEE I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY HEY GUYS WE ARE GOING SATURDAY AND SUNDAY SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THE NUMBER IS WHERE THE EXPERTS TO COME SAY WHERE THE NUMBER IS FOR A NUMBER THAT WE COULD CHARGE AND SAY HERE IS A FEE. IT GETS WHAT YOU WANT WITH INCREASED REVENUE. I KNOW I HAVE TO PAY. FISHING LICENSE AND OTHER STUFF, SOME ARE FREE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO CATCH SOMETHING ELSE , YOU HAVE TO PAY THE EXTRA MONEY ON TOP OF THE FREE LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT. THE GAME WARDEN KNOCKING ON YOUR WINDOW. AND HE WANTS YOU TO PUT IT IN YOUR TRUNK. YOU DON'T WANT THAT HEADACHE SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF NUMBER THAT OKAY I CAN PAY THIS. I'M MAD ABOUT PAYING IT BUT I CAN PAY THIS INSTEAD OF A NUMBER THAT

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PAY. >> MME. MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANALYSIS HAS BEEN DONE SO THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK WITH THE VENDOR TO DO ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE NUMBER WOULD LOOK LIKE AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK. SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE WORK THAT'S DONE SO BEFORE THIS COMES BACK BEFORE YOU, FOR ANY ADDITIONAL ACTION WE WILL HAVE ANSWERS AND THOSE POSSIBILITIES.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I KNOW SOME COMMISSIONERS SAID IT. THE VENDOR IS HERE SITTING HERE AND LISTENING. I WOULD LOVE FOR

HIM, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM, AND WE WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE OTHER ISSUES? THE HOURS AND THE THIRD ISSUE. DO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND THEN HAVE HIM

COME UP OR HEAR FROM HIM NOW? >> JUST ME, LET HIM COME UP NOW BECAUSE THIS ISSUE WILL DETERMINE TWO AND THREE IN MY

VIEW. >> OKAY THAT'S GREAT.

>>, AND ATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOU HAVE HEARD US

BATTING THIS AROUND A BIT. >> GOOD MORNING, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. OFFERING ASSISTANCE IF I CAN.

>> STATE YOUR NAME IN THE RECORD. I AM ONE OF THE OWNERS

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WE HAVE A NUMBER OF BEACHFRONT COMMUNITIES THAT STRUGGLE WITH THE SAME CHALLENGES WE ARE DISCUSSING TODAY. THE ISSUE OF RESIDENT AND NONRESIDENT ESPECIALLY FOLKS WHO OWN PROPERTY DON'T HAVE A PRIMARY RESIDENCE. WE ARE WORKING WITH VOLUSIA COUNTY TO ROLLOUT A PROGRAM FOR THEM. ALLOWING NONRESIDENT PROPERTY OWNERS TO REGISTER FOR A RESIDENT PERMIT.

SO THERE ARE WAYS POLICY WISE TO ESTABLISH POLICIES THAT MEET AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM. ONE OF THE BENEFITS WE CAN OFFER WITH THE TECHNOLOGY IS A LOT OF QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ABOUT WHO USES YOUR BEACHES AND PARKS WILL HAVE LICENSE INFORMATION EVERY DAY TO GIVE YOU THAT INFORMATION GOING FORWARD. ALL FUTURE DECISIONS CAN BE BASED ON REAL DATA AND WHO IS OUT THERE. THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE ALL OF MY CLAIMANTS -- CLIENTS HAVE IS LIMITED CAPACITY. THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF SPACES, WHETHER IT'S 295 OR IN THE GRASSY AREAS UP TO 360 WERE 370. OUR GOAL IS TO MAXIMIZE AVAILABILITY OF THE SPACE FOR RESIDENTS AND NONRESIDENT VISITORS SO WE CAN RETURN VALUE FOR YOUR ASSET AND DO SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I NOTED SOME OF THE ISSUES WE BROUGHT UP ABOUT TRASH BINS OVERFLOWING AND SUCH AND WE WOULD LOVE TO BE PART OF SOLVING THAT FOR YOU, WE HAVE CONTRACTS THAT PROVIDE MAINTENANCE SERVICES CITY OF FOLLY BEACH, SOUTH CAROLINA, WE CLEAN 18 FACILITIES, SEVEN RESTROOMS AS PART OF THE PROGRAM TO HELP ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE.

>> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE TALKING ABOUT , FORGET ABOUT THE MONEY FOR NOW. THE TIMING. DO YOU HAVE THE OPTIONS OF TIMING? ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR ANY OBSERVATIONS YOU HAVE LEARNED AND YOU ARE WORKING WITH OTHER

MUNICIPALITIES? >> THE REQUEST FOR 24 HOURS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY CAME FROM STAFF BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS A NEED FOR ENFORCEMENT AND LAID IT OUT AND OUR GOAL IS A COMPANY IS TO BE A GOOD LONG-TERM PARTNER OF MUNICIPAL CLIENTS TO PROVIDE REAL DATA FOR WHAT'S GOING ON SO WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS OVER TIME AS NEED BE THINGS LIKE THE PANDEMIC WILL HOPEFULLY NEVER SURFACE AGAIN BUT RESULTS IN A LOT OF PIVOTING AND REACTIONARY BEHAVIOR. WE CAN DO ENFORCEMENT 24 SEVEN BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE FINANCIALLY. THERE IS OBVIOUSLY A COST. WE ARE PLANNING TO HIRE FOUR OR FIVE PEOPLE AT ABOVE MARKET WAGES BEYOND WHAT THEY ARE GETTING PAID IN THE PROGRAM. THAT'S ONE DESIRE BECAUSE WE WANT TO TRACK QUALITY PEOPLE, HIRE LOCAL RESIDENTS YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY AND THE FLAVOR OF THE COMMUNITY WHO CAN BRING BACK TO

THE COMMUNITY. >> THIS QUESTION IS FOR ] . I CAN SEE JETTY PARK 24 HOURS BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE MORNING. BUT HOW ABOUT JC PARK AND DO THEY NEED 24

HOURS ON THE WEEKEND? >> MME. MAYOR, THE DISCUSSION I HAD , WE HAD , BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH HIGH USAGE OF THE JETTY PARK THAT WAS MORE THE FOCUS. WE DO HAVE 24 HOUR USAGE OF OTHER PARKS BECAUSE OF THE BOAT RAMPS, BUT IT IS NOT THE INTENSITY OF JETTY PARK. THAT WAS THE MAIN FOCUS IN THE OPINION WAS IT'S BETTER TO START OFF LIKE THIS, GET THE DATA AND IF WE DON'T NEED IT WE CAN BACKTRACK AND REDUCE THE HOURS FROM 24. THAT'S WHY STAFF MADE THE REQUEST TO GET US THE PRICE FOR THE 24 HOURS FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY NIGHT AND THEN KNOWING WE CAN BACKTRACK AND OF COURSE IT CAN GO THE OTHER WAY . IF WE NEED IT WE START LOWER AND GO UP.

>> I WANT TO MENTION IN JC PARK , THESE PARKS , JC PARK AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND IT. WHO WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE REDUCING ACTIVITY AND REDUCING AND MANAGING ACTIVITY. THAT IS A HEAVILY USED PARK IN A MUCH DIFFERENT WAY THAN JETTY PARK

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GAINES. >> ONE QUICK QUESTION. 24 HOURS. WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE 24 HOURS? I KNOW WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR POLICE DETAIL AT JETTY ON THE WEEKEND.

SO, WHAT WOULD AN ADDITIONAL STAFF DUTY BE, 24 HOURS ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT AT THESE PARKS?

>> I WANT TO ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF COMMENT BECAUSE

INAUDIBLE ] >> THAT'S ON THE PRESENTATION,

I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT. >> IT'S MORE THAN A PARKING ENFORCEMENT ATTENDANT . AGAIN I AM OPEN. TO ANYTHING. THE REASON WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION WAS BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITY AT JETTY PARK AFTER HOURS. HAVING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO ADDRESS ANY PROBLEMS.

>> I GET THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. I KNOW WE PAY FOR POLICE DETAIL AT JETTY PARK FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT SO I'M TRYING TO SEE ARE THEY GOING TO BE INTERACTIONS WITH RESIDENTS? ARE WE HIRING PEOPLE TO CLEAN BATHROOMS 24 HOURS A NIGHT , PICK UP TRASH, I WANT TO KNOW , I DON'T NEED ANYBODY JUST SAYING HEY I AM AN AMBASSADOR AND I'M HERE IF YOU NEED ME. WE PAY THE POLICE FOR ENFORCEMENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. OKAY THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. ARE WE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND 24 HOURS ISSUING PARKING TICKETS? I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. I'M JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE DOING FOR 24

HOURS. >> FOR CLARITY, THE CURRENT PROPOSAL PROVIDES SIMPLY FOR AMBASSADOR SERVICES AND PARKING ENFORCEMENT DURING THE HOURS OF STAFFING. MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES UNDER THE CONTRACT AS WRITTEN TODAY WOULD ONLY BE RELATED TO THE TECHNOLOGY , WE ARE OPEN TO DOING MORE. THE IDEA IN ALL COMMUNITIES, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, LAW ENFORCEMENT DOES NOT HAVE TIME TO FOCUS ON PARKING ENFORCEMENT. I HEAR THAT FROM EVERY SINGLE CLIENT THAT I RUN INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO FOCUS ON PUBLIC SAFETY. THAT BEING SAID, THE VEHICLE WILL LOOK OFFICIAL WITH PARKING AMBASSADOR ON THE SIDE OF IT WITH LIGHTS AS A PATROLS YOUR LOT IS A DETERRENT AND GIVES PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS, THE AMBASSADOR SHOULD PROMOTE THE COMMUNITY AND PROMOTE THE CITY. EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THE PARKING PROGRAM. THE TRANSITION WILL BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT IN HOW WE ROLL THIS OUT WORKING WITH LOCAL BUSINESS AND DIFFERENT SOCIAL GROUPS TO GET THE WORD OUT. AS FAR AS THE 24 HOUR SERVICE, RIGHT NOW AS WRITTEN WE WOULD BE PATROLLING THE LOTS, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW SOMEONE IS OUT THERE AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOLKS.

>> SO NOW I HAVE AN ANSWER. WE HAVE A VEHICLE PATROLLING LOTS OR SOMEBODY PATROLLING LOTS, LOOKING AND IF NEED BE WRITING A PARKING TICKET BECAUSE I AGREE MY OFFICERS HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAN DRIVING AROUND THE PARKS TO SEE IF SOMEONE HAS NOT PAID THEIR PARKING METER OR

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SO, THAT'S. >> COMMISSION J JOHNSON NEXT.

>> I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER YOU ARE RIGHT EVENTUALLY WE HAVE TO EVALUATE. I THINK WE WERE TRYING TO CHANGE THE HABITS OF FOLKS THEN GOING IN AND SETTING UP A PARTY. THAT'S WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT JETTY PARK , THE OTHERS NOT SO MUCH. AS A FIRST-HAND PERSON WITNESSING.

SO WE HAVE CHANGED HUMAN BEHAVIOR OVER TIME AND MADE THE COMMUNITY SAFER. SO WE HAVE INVESTED IN THAT. WE CAN CHANGE IT ABSOLUTELY. A FEW QUESTIONS. RELATED TO THE TYPE AND OPERATION OF EACH OF THE THREE PARKS. ONE HAS PLAYGROUND AMENITIES WITH A BOAT RAMP AND MULTIPLE USE. FLUSHED -- DO USE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF OPERATION FOR YOUR FOLKS VERSUS AJC PARK WITH BOAT RAMPS, PUBLIC AMENITIES ET CETERA ARE THERE DIFFERENCES BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. IN YOUR CONTRACT WITH OTHER ENTITIES , ARE THERE DIFFERENCES?

>> YES WE WANT TO PROVIDE SERVICE WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, THE PARKS USED PRIMARILY WEEKDAYS OR WEEKENDS DURING THE DAYTIME WILL RECEIVE DIFFERENT ATTENTION FROM JETTY PARK WHERE WE HAVE MORE NIGHTTIME ACTIVITY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD PROPOSE AND WE LOVE TO HAVE DATA, THE PROBLEM WITH NEW PROGRAMS IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW. AS WE GET INTO THIS I COULD SEE EVOLVING WHERE THE BUSINESSES WOULD WANT TO OFFER VALIDATION FOR PARKING FOR FOLKS COMING INTO THE BUSINESS IF THEY DON'T HAVE AMPLE PARKING FOR THE CUSTOMERS. SO THAT'S ONE ACCOMMODATION. THE OTHER THING WE WILL TELL YOU DEPENDING ON HOW FREQUENTLY PEOPLE ARE COMING TO CERTAIN PARKS ARE THEY USING MULTIPLE PARKS, ARE THEY RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OR THE COUNTY? WHERE ARE THEY FROM? WE WILL PROVIDE THAT DATA SO A LOT OF THESE GRAY AREAS IN THE THOUGHT PROCESSES WILL BE FILLED IN.

>> I CANNOT ANSWER THE TIMING TODAY. I BELIEVE JETTY PARK WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER TWO. I REALLY DO. 1:00 P.M. UNTIL 1:00 A.M. POSSIBLY. CERTAIN DAYS OF THE WEEK BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL IS FROM VERO BEACH AND SHE HAS THE TOURISM IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY MY

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MANY ELEMENTS. >> USE THE BOAT RAMP PUT IT IN THE WATER. IT WILL BE THERE ALL DAY.

>> I BRING THAT UP, THOSE ARE CONVERSATION PIECES. THE SCREEN WITH PROJECTED REVENUES I AM ALWAYS , TYPICALLY I LIKE REVENUE SHARE BECAUSE IT'S MAPPED OUT EASILY. EARLY IN THE MIDDLE OR AT THE BEST, I WILL ASK YOU TO PUT US IN THE BEST WE WILL SHARE 50-50, 6040, I DON'T KNOW THE COST TO THE PROGRAM WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THAT'S MY QUESTION TO YOU SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE AND HERE I WILL GO ON MY LAST PART YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THAT THIS SECOND. KNOW THEIR CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR YOU AND YOUR ANY PROGRAM LIKE THIS I HAVE ALWAYS A SUPPORTER OF REVENUE NEUTRAL TO THE CITY MEANING WE ARE NOT HERE TO MAKE MONEY ON THIS BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AND A NEW AGENDA ITEMS COMING THEY SAID ENOUGH TO MAKE MONEY AS WELL.

THAT'S ALL PUBLIC. AND SO I AM ALSO A PROPONENT OF IF IT IS COSTING WHICH IS I SAY WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO MAINTAIN THE BATHROOMS THE COST IS WHAT IT IS AND THAT'S HOW MUCH MONEY WE SHOULD SHARE OR SPEND AND STOP AND WE ARE NOT MAKING MONEY. IF IT'S REVENUE ON THE BOOKS , WE HAVE TO ASSIST IN THE PARKS AND WE SHOULD SUSTAIN THEM AT WHATEVER EXCELLENCE , WE KNOW NOW WE ARE HAVING A STRUGGLE SO HOW DO WE ACCOMPLISH THAT? I THINK FOLKS CAN GET ON BOARD WITH ANY KIND OF PASSES FOR PERMANENT STRUCTURE AS MUCH AS IT'S PAINFUL AND IT IS A CONVERSATION, BUT IT HAS TO BE SO WHOMEVER IS SITTING IN THE SEATS FROM TODAY BEYOND ALL OF US IT CAN'T BE LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY WE ARE MAKING OR HERE, PUT THAT IN THE GENERAL FUND AND SHOVEL IT IN SOMEWHERE ELSE. OVER THE YEARS WHEN A COMMISSION MAKES A DECISION THE DECISION RETIRES ALL FIVE OF US AND THERE'S NO ONE TO CARRY THE TORCH IT'S LIKE I'M SO GLAD THEY BROUGHT IN THE REVENUE SOURCE. NEW CARPET IN THE COMMISSION CHAMBER, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE. SO IT SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AND RESERVED, DEDICATED. JUST LIKE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE DEDICATED. AT THE END OF THE DAY FOLKS ARE SCARED OF THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE SCARED OF, ME INCLUDED BECAUSE EVENTUALLY I WILL END UP WITH A CITY OF FORT PIERCE STICKER ON THE SIDE OF MY CAR OR KAYAK AND BOAT TO GO TO THE WATERFRONT AND I WENT TO A FRIEND WHO LIVES IN PALM BEACH AND I SAID GET ONE OF THE STICKERS HE SAID I PAY $48 A YEAR TO USE THE RAMPS THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR BUT I WON'T USE THE RAMP AND I SAID OKAY. REMEMBER IN MY MIND, THIS IS THE WAY I THINK. AND I GET TO VOTE FOR YOU WHILE. HOPEFULLY THAT MONEY GOES TO A RESERVE ACCOUNT TO SAY WHEN THE RAMP NEEDS TO BE REPLACED THEY WILL HAVE MONEY OR WHEN THE BATHROOM NEEDS TO BE UPGRADED WE HAVE MONEY AND WE ARE SCRAPING THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL TO REPLACE THE BATHROOM TO PUT THE TOILET BACK WHEN IT'S BROKEN SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT AND I KNOW YOU ALL AGREE. IT HAS TO BE DESIGNATED AND RESERVED FOR THOSE CAPACITIES SO IT IS VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TRANSPARENT. SMOKE ANYTHING DOWN HERE?

>> I WILL CHIME IN A SECOND TIME. I AGREE WITH COMMISSION J JOHNSON ON THE FACT OF THE REVENUE SHARE SCENARIO VERSUS FLAT RATE. I WOULD ADVOCATE WE WOULD USE THE PERCENTAGE OF

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ONLY A COUPLE WAYS WILL CHANGE THAT ONE IS THROUGH INCREASED REVENUE OR DECREASE EXPENSES AND THAT'S IT, THERE ARE NO OTHER ALTERNATIVES. IF FUNDS ARE COMING FROM THIS PROGRAM WITH NON-LINE ITEM EXPENSES HOW OFTEN TO THE POLICE GET CALLED TO THE PARKS? TO RESPOND TO SOME DISTURBANCE. I WILL SPECULATE IT'S FAIRLY COMMON ESPECIALLY IN JETTY PARK WHEN WE DON'T HAVE PATROLS TAKING PLACE. THOSE EXPENSES ARE NOT GOING TO BE SPECIFIED IN ANY TYPE OF ANALYSIS . HAVING SAID THAT MY MOTIVATION IS TO INCREASE AND LOOK AT ALL AVENUES TO INCREASE REVENUE TO THE CITY TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES WE NEED TO COVER EXPENSES SUCH AS POLICE, PUBLIC WORKS, FOR NOT JUST DEDICATED LINE ITEMS, I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE LUXURY TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE GLOBAL ECONOMIC FOOTPRINT OF THE CITY AND SEE HOW WE FUND THIS? 63 MILLION IS INSUFFICIENT TO FUND THE OPERATIONS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. HAVING SAID THAT THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE OF A USER FEE THAT GENERATES REVENUE THAT THE CITIZENS ARE NOT UNDERWRITING. I DO SUPPORT THAT DIFFERENT OPINION RELATIVE TO THE REVENUE COMING INTO THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THOSE FUNDS WILL QUICKLY BE DEDICATED TO OTHER NEEDS. BUT I DO SUPPORT THE PERCENTAGE BREAKDOWN , WHERE THEY END UP MAY BE OPEN FOR FURTHER CONVERSATION. BUT THAT'S MY POSITION ON REVENUE GENERATION. WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND AS UNFORTUNATE IS THE WAY TO PUT IT THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT PROGRAMS LIKE THIS TO ENHANCE REVENUE TO OFFSET COST, DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR I LOOKED OFFSET THE COST OF OPERATION THE PARKS. WILL NOT GET EXACT ANALYSIS OF THOSE DOLLAR FIGURES. WILL GET THE DAILY OPERATIONAL SIDE BUT NOT THE EXTRAS. THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS IF THERE ARE ANY WHEN YOU START LUMPING AND OPERATION OF ALL PARKS WITHIN THE CITY I DOUBT THEY ARE DELINEATED PARK BY PARK IN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET. SAY JC PARK QUARTER MILLION A YEAR AND OTHER PARK INTERIOR TO THE CITY NOT UTILIZED IS 10% OF THAT I DON'T THINK THEY DELINEATED THAT WAY, THAT IS A GROSS AGGREGATE NUMBER IN THEIR BUDGET SO THAT IS A CHALLENGE, BUT THE FUNDS GENERATED FROM THIS PROGRAM WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN IT TAKES TO OPERATE ALL PARKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY I WILL SPECULATE . SO I THINK WE WILL BE SOMEWHAT SURPRISED BY THE NUMBER ONE PUBLIC WORKS BRINGS

THAT FORWARD. >> I THINK THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS COULD ANALYZE WAS SUFFICIENT HISTORICAL DATA AND SAY I HAVE A CREW OF THREE LAWNMOWING PIECES OF EQUIPMENT WITH THREE MEMBERS THAT GO TO THE JETTY PARK THREE TIMES A MONTH FOR EIGHT HOURS AT A TIME OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. SO YOU KNOW THAT 72 MAN HOURS DEDICATED TO MAINTENANCE OF THAT PARK OVER A MONTH OR OVER A WEEK OR WHATEVER IT IS. THERE ARE SO MANY MAN-HOURS OR EQUIPMENT HOURS AND EVEN WITH CLEANING. AS LONG AS YOU GET A GENERAL BROAD SCOPE OF WHAT IT COSTS THE CITY THEN WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBERS AS WELL, WHAT INFORMATION THEY HAVE SO WE CAN ANALYZE THAT, BUT THE POINT I AM MAKING IS I AM TAKING THE NEXT STEP TO SAY WE NEED ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF REVENUE TO BOLSTER THE CITY INCOME PICTURE. THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM.

>> SO, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO SAY?

>> A COUPLE THINGS REAL QUICK. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORTH, TRYING TO HELP US SOLVE A COMPLEX PROBLEM. FOR ME I SEE A COUPLE WAYS. NUMBER ONE WE HAVE ONE PARK SURROUNDED BY BUSINESSES THAT CAME TO US ORIGINALLY ABOUT NOT ONLY VANDALISM, BUT THEY WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH BUSINESS, PEOPLE

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>> THE RULES WERE CHANGED TO ALLOW DIFFERENT PARKS TO HAVE DIFFERENT HOURS BASED ON ACTIVITY.

>> THE BOAT RAMP AT JC PARK I CAN GO TO:00 IN THE MORNING.

>> YES THAT'S THE NEW RULES. I DON'T THINK THE SIGNS HAVE CHANGED BUT THE INTENT OF THE RULE CHANGE, FOR EXAMPLE WE HAVE A PARK DOWN SOUTH WITH TENNIS COURTS WITH LIGHTS THE SIGN SAYS IT CLOSES AT SUNSET, THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE SO WE DID CHANGE THE RULE TO ALLOW PARKS TO HAVE VARYING OPERATION

HOURS BASED ON USAGE. >> OKAY THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. I'M GOING TO LAUNCH MY BOAT, GO IN THE WATER WHENEVER I WANT. CAUSEWAY PARK IS A BOAT LAUNCH AS WELL. WE DON'T WANT OVERNIGHT CAMPING AND THAT TYPE OF THING AND THAT HAS BEEN A CONCERN. SO FOR ME, IT IS LOOKING AT HOW DO WE OFFSET THE EXPENSE OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAINTAIN THESE PARKS. AGAIN, THE RESIDENCE THAT ARE LOCAL THAT GO THERE AND I'M SURE SOME OUT OF TOWN PEOPLE HAVE EXPERIENCED CHALLENGES WHEN IT COMES TO BATHROOM, SAFETY, CLEANLINESS, THOSE ARE THE THINGS I LOOK TO OFFSET. AND ALSO KEEPING IN MIND THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO CAME TO US SAYING CAN YOU HELP US TURN THESE SPOTS OVER? BECAUSE PEOPLE STAY ALL DAY LONG AND IF I AM A BUSINESS OWNER AFTER TURNTABLES. THAT SO I KEEP PEOPLE EMPLOYED SO PEOPLE ARE NOT SITTING AND RINGING ALL DAY. THEY MIGHT BE THERE A COUPLE HOURS, THEN GO SIT ON THE BEACH, THAT SPOT GETS TIED UP SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT HOURS AND NOBODY ELSE CAN GET IN. THAT'S WHAT WE ORIGINALLY STARTED THINKING ABOUT WHEN THEY CAME TO US. BESIDES THE LATE-NIGHT HOURS OBVIOUSLY WHEN THEY'RE SITTING CONSUMING STUFF IN THE PARKING LOTS AND DOING STUFF WHICH CAUSED PROBLEMS. AND PLAYING LOUD MUSIC.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE SO THANK YOU. WHAT I DID NOT HEAR YOU SAY ABOUT THE ANNUAL PASS PROGRAM ARE YOU MANAGING SUCH A THING RIGHT NOW FOR ANY OF THESE

MUNICIPALITIES? >> YES OR, BASED ON THE RATES THREE DOLLARS PER HOUR, $20 MAX PER DAY WE RECOMMEND AN ANNUAL PASS $150 PER YEAR SO THAT WOULD COVER THE SPECTRUM. SOME FOLKS WOULD GET GREAT USE OUT OF THAT ANNUAL PASS AND OTHERS WOULD DO IT FOR CONVENIENCE. I'M NOT SURE HOW OFTEN THEY WILL COME HERE. I DID WANT TO OFFER EVERY PROGRAM WE HAVE TAKEN OVER, MANAGED IN-HOUSE WITH LIMITED RESOURCES OR NOT MANAGED AT ALL , WE HAVE SEEN A GREATER TURNOVER OF VEHICLES.

YOU'RE GETTING THOSE FOLKS MONOPOLIZING SPACES TO TURNOVER WHICH HELPS BUSINESSES, THE ONE MEASURE I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT POST LAUNCH IS SALES TAX REVENUE FROM THE BUSINESSES.

HAVE NEVER SEEN A CASE WHERE THE SALES TAX, WITH PROPER ENFORCEMENT AND PAID PARKING THAT REVENUES GO UP BECAUSE THOSE BUSINESSES ARE BETTER SERVED TO HAVE THE TURNOVER. I KNOW HAVE TO PAY BUT AT LEAST I CAN FIND A PARKING SPOT,

THAT'S WHAT WE OFTEN HEAR. >> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. THAT WAS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC, WITH THE COME TO US HOW YOU MEASURE THE IMPACT, THOSE BUSINESSES THROUGH SALES TAX PAID THAT TO THE CITY WITH SOME MONIES THAT COME AS A RESULT.

IF WE LOOK AT THAT TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT'S WHY WE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE IT GENERATES A LITTLE MORE FOR THE CITY.

THOSE BUSINESSES DO MORE MONEY, TURNOVER MORE DOLLARS AND THE

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>> ONE MORE THING I WOULD OFFER, YOU DON'T NEED A PARKING MANAGEMENT COMPANY THAT'S GOING TO DO WHAT YOU TELL US TO, YOU NEED A CONSULTANT WHO WILL BE HERE, WHO KNOWS ENVIRONMENT, MAKE THE DATA RECOMMENDATIONS LONG-TERM.

THINGS WILL CHANGE. YOU NEED INFORMATION TO MAKE PROPER POLICY AND FUNDING DECISIONS. THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED. THE ONLY WAY TO GET THIS GOING PARALYSIS BY ANALYSIS, OFTEN THAT COMES INTO PLAY. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STARTING POINT AND A TOOL TO GET INFORMATION BACK TO YOU TO MAKE FUTURE DECISIONS. THAT'S WHAT MY COMPANY DOES AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HELP YOU ALL.

>> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONERS WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOME SORT OF GENERAL, ARE WE READY TO GIVE GENERAL GUIDELINES OR DO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION? WHERE ARE WE?

>> I AM GOOD. ALL OF MY CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS HAVE

BEEN GIVEN SOME TYPE OF ANSWER. >> THE HOURS, A REAL IN AGREEMENT? WITH WHAT THEY PROPOSE?

>> THERE ARE TWO ALTERNATIVES.

>> SO, TO ME, TO ME JETTY PARK IS DEFINITELY 24 HOURS FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. I HAVE A QUESTION MARK ABOUT THE OTHER TWO.

>> IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. DO WE BREAK IT OUT WE HAVE THE JETTY

PARK 24 HOURS? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO THE PERSON THERE AND WOULD MAKE SENSE TO PATROL THEM ALL.

>> THAT GOES BACK TO THE LAST COMMENT. THEY WILL MOVE SOMEPLACE ELSE TO HAVE A CONGREGANT PARTY.

>> THERE WERE OTHER PLACES THEY CAN GO.

>> EXACTLY SO I'M OKAY WITH 24, TO START .

>> I'M FINE, WE CAN START. >> REVENUE-SHARING WE ARE OKAY WITH THAT. AND THE THIRD CONSIDERATION WAS FREE FOR CITY RESIDENTS THE FEEDBACK I HAVE GOTTEN WE WILL WORK WITH PCI ON GETTING FREE FOR CITY RESIDENTS WITH THE ANNUAL PERMIT I LIKE YOU SAY THE VALIDATION IF WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON THE VALIDATION FOR BUSINESS SO IF YOU GO TO THE RESTAURANT YOU CAN GET YOUR TICKET VALIDATED. WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION ON

THAT. >> WOULD THAT MEAN THE BUSINESS WOULD PAY OR WOULD THERE BE NO PARKING FEE?

>> THAT WOULD BE A POLICY DECISION, WHETHER THE BUSINESS CHOOSES TO PAY THE FULL FAIR OR IF THE COMMISSION GIVES THEM SOME SORT OF DISCOUNT OR A CERTAIN QUANTITY FOR FREE FOR EACH MONTH. ALL OF THAT IS POSSIBLE.

>> WE WILL HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE NARROW IT DOWN, THE TWO ITEMS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED SO WE ARE DOWN TO THE ONE AND I CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE INFORMATION WE PUT TOGETHER FOR THAT.

>> LOOKING FOR SOME FOLLOW-UP ANALYTICS FROM PUBLIC WORKS ON

THE BREAKDOWN. >> THE ONLY THING IS WHAT WE SAID ABOUT FOLLOWING UP ON COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S POINT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE HALF THE TIME. VOLUSIA COUNTY COMING OF SOMETHING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND OWNERSHIP, LET'S LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT HAVE A HOMESTEAD HERE, BUT THEY COME CERTAIN MONTHS.

>> SOME OF THEM ON. THEY ARE PROPERTY OWNERS.

>> LET'S COME BACK WITH THAT TO ADDRESS THAT.

>> OKAY DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE?

>> DO YOU NEED IT ON THE FEE? WE TALKED ABOUT THE FLAT FEE OR

REVENUE SHARE. >> YES, REVENUE SHARE. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC ? YOU'VE GOT WHAT YOU NEED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[12. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

OKAY LET'S MOVE ON. >> NEXT CITY COMMISSION BOARDS

AND COMMITTEE UPDATES. >> WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO FIRST?

>> I WILL BE QUICK. COMMITTEE MEETS THIS WEDNESDAY. WE HAVE A VERY VERY INTERESTING, I KNOW YOU WILL BE THRILLED WITH THIS ON THE EDGE OF YOUR SEATS. WE ARE HAVING A PRESENTATION FROM THE COMPANY DOING INSULATION ON THE GARAGE IN THE PARKING

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INFORMATION. >> THAT DOES SOUND INTERESTING.

>> I AM SPECULATING WHAT THE NUMBERS MAY BE. BUSTING TO GET TO THAT NEWS. SUNRISE THEATRE WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

REVAMPING THE RFP , CORRECT? REVAMPING THE RFP.

>> REVAMP THE RFP AND IN THE MEANTIME IDENTIFY THE INTERIM THEATER DIRECTOR BECAUSE

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. THE RETIREMENT BOARD MEETING COMING UP WITH NO INFORMATION THERE. AND THEN I GUESS MY SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE FEDERAL FUNDING WE ARE SEEKING THROUGH THE CONGRESSMAN WORKING DIRECTLY WITH CITY MANAGER TO GET THAT CONSOLIDATED AND COVER MEMO DRAFTED TO MAKE THAT SUBMISSION I INTEND TO MEET WITH HIM AND HIS STAFF TO MAKE THE PITCH FOR THE CITY. IT'S UP TO YOU FOLKS IF YOU WANT TO LOOK THIS OVER BEFORE I SUBMIT. DO YOU WANT TO GIVE IT YOUR BLESSING BEFORE I WALKED ON THIS PATH?

>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. >> I WILL MEET WITH LINDA AND

GET THIS CONSOLIDATED. >> WILL YOU ADD WHEN WE HAVE HEARD TODAY? ARE WE GOING TO NEED FEDERAL FUNDING FOR THAT?

>> I PUT A STAR NEXT TO IT. >> I WILL THROW IN THE KITCHEN SINK. SO WE ARE LOOKING, WE HAVE A VARIETY OF DEPARTMENTS THAT I RESPONDED FOR THE FUNDING BREAKDOWNS AND REQUIREMENTS SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING WITH LINDA TO GO THROUGH THAT IN DETAIL AND WE WILL GET THE PACKAGE PUT TOGETHER AND SUMMARIZED AND GET IT OFF TO YOU FOLKS SEE YOU CAN SHRED IT, BLESS IT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT THAT, I HAVE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CONGRESSMAN ABOUT THIS AND HE HAS BEEN BULLISH ABOUT SUPPORTING THE CITY AND FUNDING NEEDS SO HE SEES THIS AS AN AVENUE TO FIX SOME OF OUR WOES . WHEN WE MADE THE COMMENTS MONTHS AGO , STEP UP. HE IS ENCOURAGING US TO STEP UP. I SEE COMMISSIONER GAINES WITH A SMILE ON HIS FACE. AT THE MONEY DOES NOT COME THROUGH YOU CAN TAKE ME TO TASK. WE WILL GIVE IT OUR BEST SHOT TO SECURE WHAT WE GET FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO HELP OUT THE NEEDS OF THE CITY OF FORT

PIERCE. >> LEGAL PARK MINISTRY IS UPCOMING, TREASURE COAST REGIONAL PLANNING IS UPCOMING.

THE FIRE BOARD YOU AND I SIT ON THAT, MAYOR, WE ARE MOVING ALONG APPROVING THE MILLAGE FOR THE BUDGET. A NEW CLERK TREASURER. A YOUNG MAN THERE DOING A GREAT JOB AND WE ARE PUSHING A NEW FIRE ENGINE TODAY AT 1:00 ON STATION 15. SO WE HAVE A NEW ENGINE THAT WILL BE TRAVERSING THE COUNTY, BUT MAINLY DISTRICT 1 NORTH FORT PIERCE. WE WILL DO THAT AND THEN TPO I WAS GLAD THINGS GOING ON RIGHT NOW, TO INCLUDE THESE MAJOR CORE DOORS AND ROADS ET CETERA A LOT OF ACRONYMS AND WORKS BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT WE ARE PLOTTING THESE THINGS OUT , FIVE OR 10 YEARS IN ANTICIPATION OF WHAT WE WILL NEED. I SUSPECT MORE WILL BE COMING. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE SUN TRAIL AND CONNECTIVITY THAT IT BRINGS TO LINKIN PARK TYING IT TO THE

PORT AREA SO THANK YOU. >> COMMISSION J JOHNSON .

>> I AM THANKFUL D.O.T. IS WORKING DILIGENTLY TO FINISH UP AND WORK ON THE U.S. 1 PROJECT. NICE TO SEE A STREET RESURFACED, ESPECIALLY A CITY ROAD WITHIN OUR CITY. A WORK IN PROGRESS. I LIKE DRIVING ON THE INSIDE LANE, IT IS NICE AND

SMOOTH. >> I WILL LIKE IT WHEN IT'S

NOT UNDER CONSTRUCTION ANYMORE. >> I APPLAUD THE TPO DEDICATION OF FUNDS, YESTERDAY I DROVE DOWN BELL AVENUE TO LOOK AT THE SIDEWALK , IT HELPS THE CITY CONNECT EAST TO WEST. LITTLE

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'S WE ARE TRYING TO GROW AND CONTINUE TO VOLUNTEER BASE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. WE ARE HAVING A PLANNING MEETING SOON . IF NOT THIS WEEKEND, THEN THE FOLLOWING BUT WE WANTED TO ENGAGE WITHIN OUR TEAM ON WHAT WE CAN DO TO NOT REVAMP THE MISSION STATEMENT, BUT MAKE SURE PROJECTS AND THE THINGS WE ARE DOING WITHIN MAIN STREET ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE MISSION STATEMENT AND WITH THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESS LINES, THAT'S THE OTHER GROUP I WANTED TO SHARE ABOUT.

CONNECTED TO BOTH OF THOSE GROUPS, THE DBA IS ASKING AND I WILL MEET WITH CITY MANAGER ON THIS AS FAR AS THE DOWNTOWN TRICK-OR-TREAT ON SECOND STREET THAT IS A POPULAR EVENT. AND IT IS A HUGE , THERE'S A HUGE PUBLIC PRESENCE DOWNTOWN.

BUSINESSES SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON CANDY AND TRINKETS FOR THE CHILDREN. IT IS A GREAT EVENT SO I'VE GOT TO HAVE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF ON WHAT DO WE DO FOR CROSSING GUARDS, FOLKS ARE CROSSING STREETS. RAILROAD TRACKS. IT IS A BIG EVENT. I AM GOING TO ALSO REACH OUT TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND I KNOW SHE LIKES TO HOST TRUNK OR TREAT AND I UNDERSTAND WHY. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S A WAY TO CREATE A PRESENCE DOWNTOWN, THE DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES CANNOT MOVE. SHE LIKES TO HAVE IT AT THE STATION WHICH I AGREE WITH AND UNDERSTAND EXCEPT TO ME WE SAY THE STATION IS KIND OF OFF THE BEATEN PATH A LITTLE BIT. SO THERE IS ALWAYS A GROUP THAT GOES DOWNTOWN AND THEN THE POLICE STATION, NOW WE HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER VENUE. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A WAY TO ENTERTAIN SOME FOLKS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR BUT I THINK IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY IF SO ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT SAFETY AND PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WITH TRAFFIC MAINTENANCE AND CROSSING GUARDS. THINGS OF THAT NATURE OR STREET CLOSURE. IT'S GETTING A LOT OF ATTRACTION. SO, BUT THOSE ARE THE COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. AND THE GHOST WALK THAT IS COMING UP, THE GHOST WALK WILL BE OCTOBER 23, A WEEK BEFORE HALLOWEEN. ALL ABOUT THE HISTORY OF FORT PIERCE BY MAIN

STREET. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES , MOST OF MY COMMITTEES WILL BE MEETING LATER THIS MONTH SO I WILL HAVE UPDATES THEN. I DID MEET WITH TREASURE COAST COUNCIL LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND THE DISCUSSION THAT CAME UP THERE WHICH DOES NOT DIRECTLY AFFECT US, BUT IT WILL INDIRECTLY AFFECT US WHEN IT COMES IN AND WE HAVE THE NEW SENATE BILL WITH THE SCHOOLS, THE DATES AND TIMES THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE. IS GOING TO CREATE PROBLEMS, FOR A GUESS, YOU TALKED ABOUT CROSSING GUARDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WITH THESE NEW TIMES WHEN ST. LUCIE COUNTY DECIDES WHAT TIME THEY'RE GOING TO DO BECAUSE LIKE ONE OF THE PROPOSALS NOW IS MIDDLE SCHOOL IS NOT GOING TO GET OUT UNTIL LIKE 5:00.

RIGHT, GO LOOK AT SOME OF THE TIMES. THERE WILL BE SOME

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UPDATE. >> OKEECHOBEE IS BEEF. WEARS

BEEF . >> THEY TELL YOU THEY DON'T WANT TO HURT YOUR FEELINGS IF YOU ARE VEGAN YOU MIGHT WANT TO

MISS THIS ONE. >> YES, SO MINE IS THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES WILL MEET NEXT WEEK AND THE POLICY COMMITTEES BEGIN MEETING FOR THE FLORIDALEAGUE OF CITIES AND YOU ARE ON TRANSPORTATION.

>> I AM THE CHAIR. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE. OF GOING TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS. IT NEEDS A LITTLE MORE WORK, BUT GOOD FOR YOU. SO THE FIRST ONE IS THE FIRST FRIDAY IN OCTOBER.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, YES. I AM THE ONE THAT CHANGED ITS NAME.

IT USED TO BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, NOW IT SOMETHING ELSE. FORT PIERCE UTILITY AUTHORITY HAD THE JOB FAIR AND CAREER FAIR. THEY HAVE A UTILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE , COMMISSIONER COMMISSION C JOHNSON SUGGESTED THAT. WE DID

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AND SO I THINK , WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIRE BOARD SO I THINK THAT'S THE EXTENT OF WHAT I NEED TO SAY. UNLESS ANYTHING FURTHER FROM ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS, LET'S

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