[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] . >> I WOULD REICH TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2024. PLEASE STAND FOR THE OPENING PRAYER BY THE REVEREND BERNARD SHEFFIELD WITH ST. JULIENNE OF NORWICH OLD CATHOLIC PARISH AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. SHALL. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. HEAVENLY FATHER. WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS TOPICS THAT ARE FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTRY. WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYONE. COME AND GIVE US THE REASON TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, BE OUR LEADER DURING THIS MEETING. WE ASK THIS YOUR HOLY NAME, AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STA STANDS. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. [5. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] >> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE 23RD REGULAR MEETING. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. >> YES. [a. Constitution Week Proclamation] >> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL WEEK PROCLA PROCLAMATION. >> WHEREAS, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ENSURES THE RIGHTS OF EVERY AMERICAN AND THE FRAMEWORK OF THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE COUNTRY. WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 7, 2024, MARKS THE 237TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. AND WHEREAS, IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO RECORD OFFICIAL RECOGNITION TO THIS MAGNIFICENT DOCUMENT AND THIS ANNIVERSARY AND TO THE PATRIOTIC CELEBRATIONS THAT WILL COMMEMORATE IT AND PUBLIC LAW 915 ISSUES THE PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17-23 AS CONSTITUTION WEEK. I MAYOR HUDSON OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, PROCLAIM CONSTITUTION WE WEEK. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR HUDSON. MAYOR HUDSON AND MEMBERS OF THE FORT PIERCE CITY COMMISSION. WE WILL LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE YOU TO PROCLAIM CONSTITUTION WEEK SEPTEMBER 17 THROUGH 23. I AM DONNA AND WITH ME IS NIKKI. THE CHAPTER NATIONAL SOCIETY OF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. IN 1955, THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION PETITIONED CONGRESS WITH THE RESOLUTION TO SET ASIDE SEPTEMBER 17-23 DEDICATED FOR THE OBSERVANCE OF CONSTITUTION WEEK. THE CELEBRATION WAS ESTABLISHED AND SIGNED INTO LAW BY PRESIDENT QUITE D. EISENHOWER ON AUGUST 2, 1956. THE AIMS OF CONSTITUTION WEEK ARE TO EMPHASIZE CITIZENS' RESPONSIBILITIES FOR PROTECTING AND DEFENDING OUR CONSTITUTION. TO INFORM PEOPLE THAT THE CONSTITUTION IS THE BASIS FOR AMERICA'S GREAT HERITAGE AND THE VERY FOUNDATION OF OUR LIFE. TO ENCOURAGE THE STUDY OF HISTORICAL EVENTS WHICH LED TO THE FRAMING OF OUR CONSTITUTION. AND IN 1787 AT 4 P.M. ON SEPTEMBER 17, BELLS RAINING OUT ACROSS PHILADELPHIA FOR THE SIGNING OF CONSTITUTION. WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO SET THEIR ALARMS FOR 4:00 TOMORROW AFTERNOON AND RING BELLS FOR ONE MINUTE AND DISPLACED AT. WE WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO VISIT THE CONSTITUTION AND RECEIVE A FREE COPY OF THE DECK LA RIGS OF INDEPENDENCE AND THE CONSTITUTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US. >> WE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM [a. Email from Michele French commending Fort Pierce Police Officer Justo Lopez De Leon for his exceptional dedication and empathy in locating her friend, who was in a crisis. ] MICHELLE FRINGE, COMMEMORATING FORT PIERCE POLICE OFFICER FOR [8. ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO AGENDA AND APPROVAL OF AGENDA] EXCEPTIONAL HELPING A FRIEND IN THE CRISIS. NEXT EADDITIONS AND DELETIONS AND TO THE AGENDA. >> COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT WE POSTPONE ITEM 13-C WHICH IS. AND RESOLUTION AND DISCUSSION [00:05:06] AND DIRECTION BY RESOLUTION 2447 REGARDING THE STATUS OF THE CITY MANAGER. AND SO I CANNOT MAKE A MOTION, BUT IF THERE IS ANY CHANGES. >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. AND THE REST OF THE AGENDA IS APPROVED. IS THAT BY YOUR MOTION? >> YES. >> THAT'S WHAT I SAID. >> THANK YOU. >> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHN SAN. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAJOR J. JOHNSON. [11. CONSENT AGENDA] >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? ANY ITEMS WOULD YOU LIKE TO PULL? >> I WOULD LIKE TO PULL -- PULL K, L AND M. >> ANY OTHER ITEMS TO BE PULLED? IF NOT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGE AGENDA MINUS K L AND M. >> [k. Approval of a small business grant award to Taco N Madrez, LLC in the amount not to exceed $5000.00. ] [l. Approval of a small business grant award to The McGee Solution, LLC in the amount not to exceed $5000.00.] [m. Approval of a public service agency grant award to Village Coalition of Youth Services in the amount not to exceed $5000.00. ] THE SMALL BUSINESS GRANT REWARD IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $5,000. >> AND MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> I CAN ALWAYS -- I CAN ALSO LUMP ALL THREE OF THESE TOGETHER IN MY COMMENT. >> YES, SIR. >> STAFF IS LOOKING AT ME LIKE WHY DID HE PULL THIS. I PULLED IT BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HEAR ARE THERE GRANTS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. HOW DO I GET GRANTS IN THE CITY O FORT PIERCE. AND TONIGHT, I HAVE THREE GRANTS, YOU KNOW, TWO SMALL BUSINESS GRANTS AND A PUBLIC SERVANT AGENT GRANT TO -- TO RESIDENTS OR -- FORT PIERCE. IF SOMEONE DOESN'T COME IN HERE AND READ THE CONSENT AGENDA. THERE ARE GRANTS IN FORT PIERCE. SO I JUST WANT TO PULL IN -- THANK THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT WHO IS OUT HERE TO THANK YOU FOR -- THANK YOU FOR, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THESE THREE. AND GETTING THEM GRANTS AND GET THE INFORMATION OUT -- I AM NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU MORE WORK BUT THERE ARE INFORMATION OUT AND THERE ARE GRANTS AND THEY CAN CALL THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT AND ALL QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWER. >> YES, SIR. >> THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO PULL THOSE THREE. >> MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN ONE. SHOULD INITIATE THAT CALL TOO. >> CORRECT. BECAUSE RUMORS GET STARTED AROUND THE CITY WHERE FORT PIERCE HAS NO GRANTS OR GRANTS GO -- >> WE ARE NOT HELPING SMALL BUSINESS. >> SMALL BUSINESSES AND WHATEVER. AND YOU SEE VILLAGE COALITION. AND SEE THE MAGHEE SOLUTION AND YOU CAN SEE TACO. AND OKAY, I NEED TO GO FIND OUT BECAUSE I DO LIKE A TACO. SO, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WITH THAT, MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO GIVE PROPS TO THE GRANTS DEPARTMENT AND LET THE RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THERE ARE GRANTS. MADAM ATTORNEY, CAN I MAKE A MOTION FOR ALL THREE SINCE I HAVE NO OPPOSITION OR DO I NEED TO DO IT INDIVIDUALLY. >> YOU CAN DO ALL THREE, SIR. >> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA K RL AND M OPINION CALL THE ROD, PLEASE. [a. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 24-035 providing for the levying and collecting of taxes for the City of Fort Pierce for Fiscal year beginning October 1, 2024 and Ending September 30, 2025 and adopting the final millage rate of 6.9. SECOND READING] >> COMMISSIONER BROD ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, FOR FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2024 AND ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2025 FOR THE PURPOSE OF RAISING SUCH AMOUNT THAT MAY BE NECESSARY SO CARRY ON THE GOVERNMENT OF SAID CITY DURING SAID FISCAL YEAR IN THE ACCOUNS PROVIDED THEREFORE. ADOPTED THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE 2024-25. AND PROVIDED FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THEREFORE BE IT ORDAINED BY THE CITY OF COMMISSION OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2024 AND SEPTEMBER 30, 2025 IS HEARBY LEVIED AT 6.9 FOR GENERAL CITY PURPOSES. SAID RATE BEING IN EXCESS. AND SESSION, THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, IN, ALL REAL AND PERSONAL PROPERTY WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF SAID THINK. UNDER STATE STATUTE AND YOU SHALL CONSTITUTION. AND THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS INSTRUCTED BY THE ST. LUCIE [00:10:02] PROPERTY OF THE MILLAGE TO BE LEVIED FOR ALL PURPOSES FOR THE FISCAL YEAR OCTOBER 1, 2024 ENDING SEPTEMBER 20, 2025. AND THE PROVISION OF THE STATE OF THERE. AND SECTION 4 OF THE ORDINANCE SHOULD BE BECOME EFFECTIVE AUGUST 1, 2024. >> THIS IS A SECOND READING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> MADAM MAYOR, I WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND. [b. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 24-036 adopting the final budget for the City of Fort Pierce for fiscal year beginning October 1, 2024 and ending September 30, 2025. SECOND READING] 24-036. ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, ADOPTING A BUDGET FOR FISCAL YEAR OCTOBER 1, 2024 ENDING SEPTEMBER 20, 2025 FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE, THEREFORE BE IT TO ORDAINED BY SECTION 1, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMMISSION AFTER HOLDING A PUBLIC HEARING ADOPTS FOR ITS FINAL BUDGET FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF SAID CITY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINNING OCTOBER 1, 2024 ENDING SEPTEMBER 30, 2025. MADE BY THE CITY MANAGER PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION ON SEPTEMBER 3, 2024 WHICH DETAILED AMENDED ESTIMATES ARE NOW ON FILE WITH THE CITY CLERK AND THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE. SECTION TWO, TOUCHDOWN BE THE TUTTI OF THE MANAGER TO SET UP THE APPROPRIATIONS AND EXPENSES IN SAID CITY TO KEEP SUCH ACCOUNTS AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY AS DIRECTED FROM TIME TO TIME BY THE CITY COMMISSION. SECTION 3. THIS ORDINANCE SHALL BECOME EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 21, 2024 -- >> IS THAT IT? >> A SECOND READING. >> ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO MOVEMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. >> SURE. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. WITH THE AGREEMENT AND EVERYTHING THAT WITH AND THE POLICE AND UNION. DOES THAT HAVE THE AGREEMENT TO GO INTO EFFECT. >> MISS COX WAS WAITING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. FIRST READING AND SECOND READING WITH THE CONTRACT FIGURES IN PLACE. THE BUDGET WAS ADJUSTED TO WE DON'T NEED TO REDO ANYTHING. >> BUT THINGS WERE TAKEN FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS? >> EXACTLY. >> AND THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. WHEN PRESIDENT WILL PUBLIC BE ABLE TO SEE THE NEW ADJUSTED BUDGETS. WHERE EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN FROM. >> IT IS ATTACHED. >> AND JUST KNOW -- >> I AM JUST BRINGING IT UP. >>THE BOTTOM LINE DIDN'T CHANGE. IT MOVED WITH IT. >> THE BOTTOM LINE DIDN'T CHANGE BECAUSE WE WOULD BE IN A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE READING AND WHAT WAS ATTACHED WAS WHAT THE PUBLIC IS EXPECTING. >> THE NEW BUDGET WITH THE BOTTOM LINE THE SAME BUT THE INTERNAL MOVED AROUND. >> NO PROBLEMS. >> DID WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLE PLEASE. [c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 24-037: Review and approval of a Voluntary Annexation by applicant James Hackett - H&L Planning and Development on behalf of owner Savannah Landing Partners LLC, to extend the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include two (2) parcels at or near the intersection of S. US Highway 1 and Dickson Drive, establishing Future Land Use, establishing Zoning. Parcel IDs: 3427-801-0056-000-3 and 2427-801-0053-000-2 (310 Dickson Drive) - FIRST READING] TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, TWO PARCELS AT OR NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF U.S. 1 AND DICKINSON DRIVE AND LOCATED AT OR NEAR 310 DIXON DRIVE DIRECTING THE ST. LUCIE PROPERTY APPRAISER FOR PROPERTY AND PLACE IT ON THE TAX ROLLS. DIRECTING THE TAX COLLECTOR AND HEREBY DESCRIBED PROPERTY ESTABLISHING ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND ESTABLISHING LAND USE DESIGNATION OF R-H OF THE ORDINANCE WITH THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT. DIRECTING REVISION OF THE CHARTER BOUNDARY TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SENT TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE DEMOGRA RESEARCH, REPEALING ORDINANCE OR PART THEREOF IN CONFLICT HERE IS THE FIRST READING. >> YES, MA'AM. >> GOOD EVENING, WERE YOU ABLE TO SEE THE PRESENTATION ON YOUR SCREEN? >> NOT YET BUT SOON I THINK. >> GOOD EVENING. BEFORE YOU WE HAVE AN ANNEXATION, THE APPLICANT IS JAMES HACKETT. ALL [00:15:11] RIGHT, SO THE APPLICANT IS JAMES HACKETT, H AND L PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, PROPERTY OWNER, LAND AND PARTNERS LLC, PERSONAL I.D. IS 24278014700560003, AND 242780100530002, LOCATED AT 310 DRIVE. A VOLUNTEER FOR APPLICATION OF TWO PARCELS OF LAND AT SOUTH U.S. ONE AND DIXON DRIVE. THEY ARE REQUESTING ANNEXATION OF THE TWO PARCELS, THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY LAND USE RESIGNATIONS HIGH RH AND ST. LUCIE COUNTING RESIGNATION OF MULTIFAMILY, 11 UNITS PER ACRE, RM-11. THE PROPOSED CITY LAND-USE DESIGNATION ALLOWING 12 TO 8 AND DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WITH THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, ARE FIVE. HERE IS AN AREA VIEW OF THE SITE LOCATION. 7.5 ACRES, WITH 310 DIXON DRIVE BEING .42 ACRES AND THE OTHER BEING ABOUT .26 ACRES. PURSUANT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY 1.11.5, PROPERTIES ANNEXED SHALL RECEIVE A LAND-USE DESIGNATION COMPATIBLE WITH THE COUNTY LAND USE DESIGNATION UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. STAFF HAS CONFIRMED THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN UNINCORPORATED ST. LUCIE COUNTY, CONTINGENT TO THE FORT PIERCE FOUNDRY SERVICE AREA. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 4.1706 SUBSECTION STATUTE WERE THE LEGISLATURE RECOGNIZES THAT ENCLAVES CAN CREATE SIGNIFICANT PLANTINGS AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND SERVICE DELIVERY AND THEREFORE DECLARES IT'S THE POLICY OF THE STATE TO ELIMINATE ENCLAVES. THE CURRENT VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES IS 756,500. THE EXISTING LAND USE IN THE COUNTIES ARE HIGHLIGHTED HERE AND OUTLINED. SHOULD THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION BE APPROVED, THE CITY FEATURED LAND-USE RETURN TO RH ELIMINATED THE ENCLAVE. EXISTING ZONING AND COUNTY IS RM-11. THIS SHOWS THE PARCELS EXISTENCE AROUND THE CITY BOUNDARIES. GIVEN THAT THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION IS ACCEPTED AND APPROVED, THE CITY ZONING BOARD IS CHANGED TO HIGH RESIDENTIAL DENSITY. INCREASINGLY ENCLAVES THAT EXIST. AT THE AUGUST 12 MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE ANNEXATION, THEREFORE, IT IS STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR THE CITY TO APPROVE THE SUBMITTED APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION. ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF. >> THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE IS COMING FORWARD. >> BEING NO MOVEMENT. I WILL CLOSE THE HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >>, FOR THE APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS. >> SECOND. >> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLE-PLAYS. >> COMMISSIONER BRODRICK. >> CONDITIONS. >> I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THERE WAS -- >> I DON'T BELIEVE THERE' ANY STAFF CONDITIONS. >> I APOLOGIZE. >> WANT TO MAKE SOME CONDITIONS? >> I DID NOT WANT TO APPROVE IT AND THEN HE COME BACK AND SAY CONDITIONS. >> NO, THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THERE WILL BE NO CONDITIONS. >> LET'S JUST FIX IT FOR THE RECORD. ALL RIGHT, SO IT'S A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL FOR ANNEXATION. >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S START OVER. CALL THE ROLE-PLAYS. >> [d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 24-038: Review and approval of a Voluntary Annexation by owner Jason Merritt, to extend the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include two (2) parcels at 1835 Sandridge Rd. and 1839 Sandridge Rd, establishing Future Land Use, establishing Zoning. Parcel ID: 2404-111-0003-010-1 and 2404-111-0003-000-8. - FIRST READING] AND ORDINANCE FIXING THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA TO ADD PARCELS NEAR SAND RIDGE ROAD, AT OR NEAR APPROXIMATELY 1839 SAND RIDGE ROAD ARE SHOWN IN EXHIBIT A. SONOMA COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER TO A PHRASE THE PROPERTY AS OF JANUARY 1ST, 2025. SENDING A COUNTY TAX [00:20:07] COLLECTOR TO DESCRIBE ZONING DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL, ESTABLISH LAND-USE, DIRECTING FILING OF THE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE CIRCUIT COURT AND CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE WITHOUT ST. LUCIE COUNTY. REVISION OF THE ARTICLE TO BE FILED WITH STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING GREAT SEVERABILITY CLAUSE REVEALING ALL ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT WITH AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE FIRST READING. >> THESE PROCEED. >> 1835 SAND RIDGE ROAD AS WELL AS 1839 SAND RIDGE ROAD HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE US FOR ANNEXATION. THE APPLICANT IS JASON MERRITT AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNER. PARCEL IDS ARE 24041110003 0101, AND 240411100030008. A REQUEST INTO THE VOLUNTARY APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION OF TWO PARCELS OF LAND AT 1835 SAND RIDGE AND 1839 SAND RIDGE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A VOLUNTEER APPLICATION OF THEIR TWO PARCELS. THEY HAD A FEATURED LAND-USE DESIGNATION OF COMMERCIAL AND A ST. LUCIE COUNTY ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL GENERAL. THE PROPOSED CITY FEATURED LAND-USE DESIGNATION IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL GC WITH A ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL C3. HERE IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF BOTH PARCELS. 1835 BEING ONE .3 ACRES AND 1839 SAND RIDGE BEING 8.3 ACRES. SO IT'S NORTHWEST ONE, THE PUBLIC'S -- >> IS INTENT WEST OF THE NEW CARWASH? YES, ON THE BACKSIDE. >> THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THE FILE DEVELOPMENT GOING UP NORTH OF PUBLIX? >> NO, SIR. >> SO PURSUANT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY SHALL RECEIVE A LAND-USE DESIGNATION COMPATIBLE WITH THE COUNTY LAND-USE DESIGNATION, UNLESS OTHERWISE APPROVED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THE HAS CONFIRMED THAT THEY ARE LOCATED WITHIN UNINCORPORATED ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND IS CONTINUOUS TO THE PORT PIERCE MUNICIPAL BOUNDARY , FURTHERMORE PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 1.7046 SUBSECTION 1 A FLFLFLORI STATUE AS THE LEGISLATION RECOGNIZES THAT ENCLAVES CAN CREATE SIGNIFICANT PLANNING, GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND SERVICE DELIVERY AND THEREFORE DECLARES THAT THIS IS THE POLICY OF THE STATE TO ELIMINATE ENCLAVES. THE CURRENT VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES IS 600,000. EXISTING FUTURE LAND-USE, IT SURROUNDS CITY PROPERTIES OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL. GETTING THAT IT'S APPROVED GENERAL LAND-USE IT WOULD BECOME COMMERCIAL GC, CLOSING OUT THE ENCLAVE ON THE STREET. THE EXISTING ZONING IN THE COUNTY'S COMMERCIAL GENERAL. WITH APPROVAL TO ANNEXATION, THE CITY ZONING WILL BECOME C3 GENERAL COMMERCIAL, CLOSING OUT THE ENCLAVE. AT THE AUGUST 12TH MEETING, PLANNING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION. THEREFORE, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE CITY COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION FOR ANNEXATION. ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OF STAFF. QUESTIONS OF STAFF. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. NO MOVEMENT, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION. >> MADAME MAYOR? I JUST CAME UP THIS MEETING. THIS AREA CAME UP WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE TELLER CREEK. >> WHERE WE WILL HAVE A WATERFRONT RESTAURANT OR SOMETHING, IS THAT THE PLACE? YEAH, YEAH. >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE AND ALL OF THAT , SO THIS IS ALL COMING -- >> THERE IS TAYLOR DRAKE RIGHT THERE. >> TRYING TO GET COMMISSIONER BRODRICK. YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS NOW? PROPERTY OVER THERE. >> RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHTY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFFERS OR EMOTION? >> I MOVED TO APPROVE. >> CALL THE ROLE-PLAYS. >> [e. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for a Conditional Use with New Construction (Development Review & Design Review) by property owner, David Rowe, to construct a Residential Duplex Apartment building totaling 2,595 square feet with associated site improvements, located at 1001 Tennessee Avenue in Fort Pierce, Florida, more specifically located at Parcel Control Number: 2415-703-0220-000-6.] [00:25:09] >> THE NEXT ITEM IS A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING, APPROVAL OF AN APPLICATION OR NEW CONSTRUCTION, DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN REVIEW BY THE PROPERTY OWNER DAVID WROTE TO CONSTRUCT A DUPLEX APARTMENT BUILDING TOTALING 2595 SQUARE FEET WITH APPROPRIATE SIZE IMPROVEMENTS IN FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA LOCATED AT PERSONAL CONTROL NUMBER 2415703022006. >> ALREADY, SO THIS IS A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING AND WE HAVE ONE MORE, SO MADAME ATTORNEY, IF YOU WILL READ THE PROCESS FOR QUASIJUDICIAL, AND IF EVERYBODY WOULD LISTEN, THIS WILL APPLY TO THE NEXT TWO HEARINGS. >> THE CITY COMMISSION SERVES THE LEGISLATIVE AND QUASIJUDICIAL ROLE. WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, THE COMMISSION ENGAGES IN LAWMAKING ACTIVITY BY PASSING LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICIES. ACTING AS A QUASIJUDICIAL BODY, THE COMMISSION APPLIES LAWS AND POLICIES AND IS HELD TO STRICTER PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS. QUASIJUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS ARE LESS FORMAL THAN PROCEEDINGS BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT BUT MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. THEY MUST FOLLOW BASIC STANDARDS OF NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS AND DECISION MUST BE MADE ON COMPETENT POTENTIAL EVIDENCE. THEREFORE, COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DUTY TO CONDUCT OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATORS. THAT IS WHERE THE COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED UNIFORMED PROCEDURES FOR QUASIJUDICIAL HEARINGS THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED THIS EVENING. FINALLY, NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE DAIS, CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY ACQUIRED DURING THE HEARING. IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS WHICH ARE ANY OF THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER. >> MADAME CLERK, HAVE THE COMPLIANCE AND ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS BEEN MET? >> YES, MA'AM, THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET. >> AT THIS TIME, WOULD YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS PLEASE? >> WITNESSES? >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> PLEASE PROCEED. >> AT EVENING, NOT A MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. BEFORE WE HAVE YOU A CONSTRUCTION APPLICATION FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1001 TENNESSEE AVENUE. THE APPLICANT DAVID ROWE FOR THE LISTED SUBJECT PARCEL I.D.. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO BUILD A RESIDENTIAL DUPLEX ON ONE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE C1 OFFICE COMMERCIAL ZONE. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO RESIDENTIAL UNITS WITH A COVER ENTRY, TWO BEDROOM TWO BATHROOM FLOOR PLAN, UTILITY AREA FOR WASHER AND DRYER, KITCHEN, LIVING ROOM AND COVERED LANAI. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO INCLUDE THREE PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, WHICH IS ABOVE THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES OF TWO PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, AND IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING AND ALSO ADHERING TO THE BIKE REQUIREMENT OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BY INSTALLING A BIKE RACK TO ACCOMMODATE UP TO FIVE BIKE RACKS. THIS IS PURSUANT TO CITY CODE SECTION 135-237 FOR CONDITIONAL USES. REVIEW FOR APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USES. THE SUBJECT SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 0.29, PLUS MINUS ACRES. FUTURE LAND-USE OF OFFICES PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES WITH THE ZONING OF OFFICE COMMERCIAL ZONE C1. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN SHOWING THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT OF 2595 TOTAL, BUT EACH UNIT HAS APPROXIMATELY 1300 SQUARE FEET EACH. SIX PARKING SPACES AND FIVE BICYCLE SPACES. THIS IS THE FRONT ELEVATION OF THE PROPOSED DUPLEX. THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO USE THE COLORS, EXTERIOR COLORS OF BAJA AND POLAR BEAR WHITE. NOTES THAT THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL TREES PER LANDSCAPE CODE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY AND DUPLEXES, THE ONLY EXISTING OAKS AND PALMS. SIX OAKS AND ONE PALM. THE SHRUBS, THE APPLICANT INTENDS 13 GREEN ISLAND FICUS. 21 GREEN ARBOR COLA. 38 TO LUCY ABBAS AND GROUNDCOVERS BY THE SIDE AND A [00:30:07] NEW IRRIGATION WILL BE INSTALLED. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITION USE CONSTRUCTION WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. ONE PRIORITIES CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, A LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT IS REQUIRED. PRIOR TO ANY CYCLING PERMITS, THE APPLICATION SHALL PROVIDE A TREE MITIGATION SURVEY AND COORDINATE WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ARBORISTS FOR ANY TREES PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AS A RESULT OF THE SITE'S DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY. THE PROPOSED SIDEWALK ON SOUTH 10TH STREET AND TENNESSEE AVENUE SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE DETAILS. THE RIGHT-OF-WAY APPLICATION SHALL BE REQUIRED BY THE FORT PIERCE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO SIDEWALK INSTALLATION AND THE EASEMENT SHALL BE REQUIRED AND FILED FOR A PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK ON SOUTH 10TH STREET TO TENNESSEE AVENUE CROSSING ONTO THE PROPERTY. THE PLANNING BOARD AT THEIR AUGUST 12 MEETING VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST . STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL, NOTING BEFORE RECOMMENDING CONDITIONS. ALTERNATIVE MOTIONS ARE MODIFIED APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> IS CONDITIONAL USE BEING TRIGGERED BY THE C1 ZONE IN CLASS? >> RIGHT. >> WHEN I FIRST STARTED READING THE PACKET TONIGHT ON THIS ONE, I WAS LOOKING INTO THE ZONING AND THEN MAP THAT WAS GIVEN. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE ZONING MAP? KIND OF FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. A LOT OF OFFICE COMMERCIAL IN THIS COURT OR AND THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY I SEE IT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL SERVICE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS WITHIN THE BLOCK THAT WE ARE AWARE OF? >> TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH, THIS YELLOW AREA WHICH IS ZONED R1, SINGLE-FAMILY. >> ACROSS THE STREET? >> YEAH. IT'S KIND OF A BUFFER, MIXTURE AREA. >> SO THE REASON I HAVE THE QUESTION, YOU OFFERED SIDEWALKS, OR YOU PRESENTED THAT THEY SHOULD INCLUDE SIDEWALKS, SO IF THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF STRUCTURE APPLICATION, IF THERE'S A BUSINESS WITHIN THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL ZONING, COULD THERE BE A NEGATIVE IMPACT IF THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS? WHAT IS THE ZONING DISTRICT RESTRICT? IN CASE A BUSINESS WERE TO BE EXPANDED OR A DIFFERENT APPLICATION COMES IN FOUR DIFFERENT BUSINESS TAX AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE IT FROM A DENTAL OFFICE OR AN ACCOUNTING OFFICE. THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS. WHAT OTHER ITEMS COULD THERE BE WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT MAY TRIGGER SOME OTHER REVIEW, AND I DON'T WANT TO CREATE COMPLAINTS, SO WE ARE GOING TO THE RESIDENTIAL, SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE NOTIFICATION LETTER SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET. I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY BAD QUESTION BECAUSE SHE WAS UNSURE WHAT THE LETTER WAS ABOUT. SHE NORMALLY DOES NOT RECEIVE LETTERS, AND I EXPLAINED IT TO HER BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT HAD IN THE PAST ANY CURRENT APPLICATIONS IN HER COMMUNITY. >> MY QUESTION IS REALLY GEARED TOWARDS FUTURE RESIDENTS. >> SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY COME IN ON THE C1 ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL USE AND THEN WE GET THE POTENTIAL COMPLAINTS FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. IN GENERAL, THE C1 USES A VERY GENTLE COMMERCIAL USE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, LOW IMPACT USUALLY, OPERATIONS. IT'S MORE IN LINE WITH BEING ADJACENT OR CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL, WHICH YOU CAN SEE IT IS NOW. IT USUALLY ACTS LIKE MORE OF A BUFFER BETWEEN INTENDS COMMERCIAL SUCH AS C3 USES, AND RESIDENTIAL, BUT HERE, WE SEE IT IS ACTUALLY ADJACENT ON THE MAIN ROADWAY, AND THEN IT STARTS TO TAPER OUT TO RESIDENTIAL AND BACK. SO ONE OF OUR CONSIDERATIONS, WHAT IS LIKELY WHAT WE ARE SEEING IN THE MARKET IN TERMS OF WHERE THE CITY LIKES TO GO WITH THIS TYPE OF C1 USE AREA. AND YES, WE DO SEE IT AS MORE OF A TRANSITIONAL POINT. AND ACTUALLY INCORPORATING SOME RESIDENTIAL INTO THIS ESTABLISHES A LOW-GRADE COMMERCIAL USE IN THAT LOT. SO IT ACTUALLY, IN ESSENCE, HELPS MAINTAIN THAT LEVEL OF REDUCED COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY, AND SO IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND ASKED FOR REZONING IN THIS AREA, OR A CHANGE OF USE OR SOMETHING MORE INTENSE THAN THE OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, THEN WE WOULD [00:35:02] HAVE HAD STANDING TO SAY WELL, NO, WE WANT TO RETAIN THIS AREA AS A TRANSITIONAL AREA TOWARDS RESIDENTIAL. OUR THINKING IS OBVIOUSLY AGAIN, WITH LOOKING AT THE MARKET AND HOW THE MARKET IS STANDING AT THE MINUTE, GETTING SOME USE OUT OF A LOT, WHICH ALSO ADDRESSES SOME RESIDENTIAL NEED , NOTWITHSTANDING IT IS IN THE COMMERCIAL AREA, IS, I THINK, ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES, TO SHOW HOW WE CAN, AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE RESIDENTIAL WITH LOW-GRADE, LOW-IMPACT COMMERCIAL USES. THAT WAS OUR THINKING ABOUT THIS. >> ABSOLUTELY, AND I AGREE WITH IT. SO I GUESS THE OTHER CONCERN I WOULD HAVE, I GUESS, THE POTENTIAL, IS THERE ANY USE IN THE C1 ZONING OSSIFICATION THAT COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND OF NIGHTTIME HOURS ASSOCIATED WITH IT? TRULY , OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, WE THINK ABOUT CPA, MAY BE A DENTIST OFFICE. >> MEDICAL. >> A MEDICAL OFFICE OF SOME SORT. ARE THERE ANY -- OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR ANY BUSINESS TO COME IN AND MAKE A REQUEST. IN OUR CLASSIFICATION CURRENTLY, ARE THERE ANY REALLY IMPACT STYLE APPLICATIONS? I JUST DON'T WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING. >> SO MOST OF THOSE USES, IF LIKE A CAFE, WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE IN OFFICE PROFESSIONAL. NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL IS WHERE THEY WOULD BE OUT RATE PERMITTED. A COMPARABLE AREA TO THIS WOULD BE DELAWARE. DELAWARE AVENUE. THEY HAVE A LOT OF C1. THERE IS A MIXTURE OF HOUSES AND OFFICES. >> THANK YOU, THANK YOU. >> OKAY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> I WAS GOING TO AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JAY JOHNSON'S COMMENTARY. THESE ARE ALL ONE OFFS. THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS LOCATED OVER BY MY OFFICE ON DELAWARE, WHICH IS SURROUNDED BY RETAIL, CHURCH, RESIDENTIAL ON TWO SIDES OF RETAIL AND CHURCH. SO THIS TYPE OF BUFFERING IS I THINK EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. IT'S MULTIFAMILY, ONLY TWO UNITS, I GET THAT, BUT STILL, THE USE FACTOR, I THINK, IT REPRESENTS WELL, WHAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS DOING. SO YOU DRIVE THROUGH THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU COULD NOT TELL THERE WAS DELINEATION BETWEEN C1, R1, R2, OR ARE FIVE. THIS IS A MIXED BAG OF USE, SO I THINK IT IS AN APPROPRIATE USE OF THE LOT. >> I'M JUST THE OPPOSITE. I WAS GOING WITH WHAT JEREMIAH SAID, AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID, MR. GILMORE, THAT THE LETTER HAS RUN OUT. DON'T WANT THE OPPOSITE WHERE WE PUT SOME RESIDENTS IN AND IT STARTS INTERFERING WITH THE BUSINESSES, SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS SENT THE LETTERS OUT AND YOU ONLY HAVE THE ONE COME BACK AND SAYING WHAT IS THIS , SO THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WAS GOING TO ASK. DID THEY SUBMIT TO THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES, BECAUSE JUST LIKE YOU WERE SAYING, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU HAVE A RESIDENT THERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY ONE DAY. JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE AND A LOT OF BUSINESSES START COMPLAINING THAT WAY, SO I'M GLAD YOU SENT IT OUT AND THAT'S ON THE RECORD AND SINCE THIS IS A QUASI-, THAT'S ON THE RECORD, SO I'M GLAD WE CAN. >> IS THE APPLICANT HERE? PLEASE COME FORWARD. I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WERE SWORN IN, BUT PLEASE COME FORWARD, AND -- WERE YOU SWORN IN, SIR? ALL RIGHT, MAYBE YOU WOULD BE RIGHT NOW. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH OR NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? BUT FIRST COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR ME FOR THE RECORD? >> DAVID GROW. >> WELCOME. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> KNOW. I THINK I FOLLOWED MOST OF IT MR. GILMORE HAS HELPED ME ALONG IN THIS PROCESS AND DONE A GOOD JOB WITH WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. I THINK IT HAS BEEN STATED PRETTY GOOD. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO WHAT'S BEEN SAID HERE? I APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE OPTION TO DO IT. >> THANK YOU SIR FOR BEING ERE. IF ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. NO ONE? I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER. >> MARTIN MAYER, I NEED TO APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS. >> I WILL SECOND I'M SORRY, BEFORE WE GO TO THAT, I THINK WE SKIPPED OVER WHETHER EITHER SIDE HAD ANY FINAL COMMENTS. I ASSUME NOT BUT IF WE COULD CONFIRM THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FINAL COMMENTS. >> ANY FINAL COMMENTS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, WE HAD A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY, CALL [00:40:02] THE ROLE PLEASE. >> [f. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Application for a Site Plan (Design & Development Review) submitted by applicant ETM Solutions, LLC on behalf of owner Wanda Johnson to operate 325,937 square feet for use of an Asphalt Plant located at 4060 Selvitz Road, more specifically located at Parcel Control Number: 2432- 223-0004-000-6] >> NEXT IS QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING, APPLICATION FOR A REVIEW BY ETM SOLUTIONS ON BEHALF OF WANDA JOHNSON TWO OPERATED 325,937 SQUARE FEET USE OF AN ASPHALT PLANT LOCATED AT 6400'S OF ITS ROAD. >> CAN YOU TELL ME IF THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET. COULD YOU ASK ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS PLEASE? >> THE WITNESSES? >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING. TODAY WE DO HAVE A SITE PLAN APPLICATION FOR AN ASPHALT PLANT WHERE THE APPLICANT IS ETM SOLUTIONS LLC. PROPERTY OWNER IS WANDA JOHNSON, PARCEL I.D. 243-223-0004 0006. IN SUMMARY, A REQUEST FOR A REVIEW OF AN APPLICATION FOR A SITE PLAN TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN AN AFFORDABLE ASPHALT PLANT ON APPROXIMATELY 325,937 SQUARE FEET. THE PARCEL AT 4060 CELL VETS ROAD. ONLY 7.4 ACRES WILL BE USED FOR THE PORTABLE ASPHALT PLANT. WHILE THE PLAN IS PORTABLE, IT SHOULD BE NOTICED THAT IT'S CAPABLE OF BEING TAKEN APART, SHIPPED AND SET UP IN ANOTHER LOCATION. THE PROJECT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE PERMANENT ON THE PROPERTY. THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICTS AND HEAVY INDUSTRIAL LAND USES. HERE IS AN AREA SITE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. THE ENTIRE SITE. THE PLANT AREA IS 12.79 ACRES, GIVE OR TAKE. ONLY 7.4 ACRES WOULD BE UTILIZED FOR OPERATION. FUTURE LAND USE IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. THE ZONING IS HEAVY INDUSTRIAL I3. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A FOOTPRINT OF THE OPERATION. SITE PHOTOS OF THE MACHINE CURRENTLY ON THE PROPERTY. THE ROUTE PLAN FOR THE TRUCKS TO ENTER AND EXIT THE ASPHALT PLANT OR THE ENTRANCE WOULD BE ON THE PRIVATE ROAD THAT INTERSECTS THERE. SO WITH THAT, THEY MAKE EITHER A LEFT OR RIGHT ON THAT PRIVATE ROAD AGAIN AND CIRCLING AROUND THE ASPHALT PLANT. THE TRAFFIC STATEMENT THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING THE HIGH DENSITY OF TRAFFIC AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION. >> ARE THOSE HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY? >> YES, I BELIEVE THEY ARE. THE LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWING THE OUTLINE OF THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER , AS WELL AS THE PLANT WEST OF THE PROPOSED VEGETATION TO BE PLANTED ON THE PROPERTY. THE ASPHALT PLANT WILL BE WELL LIGHTED. STAFF RECOMMENDS TO HAVE TWO CONDITIONS. ONE PRIOR TO OCCUPANCY, AIM LANDSCAPE AGREEMENT SHALL BE MADE IN [00:45:03] PERPETUITY WITH ACCORDANCE TO THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND A PAINTED STOP BAR AND DEFINED THE DRIVEWAY AT THE PROPERTY LINE REQUIRED TO BE INSTALLED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF THE FINAL CERTIFICATE AND OF OCCUPANCY. AT THE AUGUST 12 MEETING, THE PLANNING BOARD VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN, DEVELOPMENT AND REVIEW APPLICATION, THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CITY TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION OF THE SITE PLAN WITH TWO CONDITIONS. ALTERNATE RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS OR RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> IF YOU COMMENTS. QUESTIONS ON COMMENTS ON THE TRAFFIC. IF YOU COULD STAY ON THAT SLIDE FOR A SECOND. DID THEY DO A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS ON THEIR TRAFFIC COUNT VERSUS WHAT IS THE CURRENT TRAFFIC LOAD ON THE ROAD? >> THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THEIR ANALYSIS THAT WAS SUBMITTED, SO I PRESUME THAT WAS RECEIVED AND REVIEWED AS SUCH. >> IN THE ENGINEERING, WHETHER FROM COUNTY OR CITY, HAD NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE ON THAT? >> NO. JUST AS AN ASIDE TO THIS APPLICATION, THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS PRIOR TO THIS APPLICATION COMING IN, REGARDING SOME CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUES THAT WERE BEING COUNTED ON SITE. THIS APPLICATION HELP RESOLVE THOSE TO A LARGE EXTENT. THEY DO HAVE A GOOD STORMWATER PLAN. THEY WILL BE INSTALLING LANDSCAPING AROUND THE PERIMETER, SO THAT HAS SOLVED A LOT OF ISSUES. WE DID SPEAK EXTENSIVELY DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS REGARDING TRAFFIC AND REGARDING THE OPERATION OF THE SITE, IN PARTICULAR WITH THAT EFFECT ON THE ROAD AND HOW THAT BUSINESS WOULD BE OPERATING, AND THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED, AND I THINK THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IF NEEDED, BUT THE WAY THAT THIS BUSINESS OPERATES, IS ROADWAY AT WORK, AND IF YOU NOTICE, THE WAY THAT ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS OCCUR, SOMETIMES LANES ARE CLOSED OVERNIGHT. OR OFF-PEAK AND THAT IS PRIMARILY SO THEY ARE NOT LOOKING. AND WE DID REQUEST IF THEY COULD LIMIT THEIR HOURS OF OPERATION, SO HAVING DISCOVERED THAT MOST OF THEIR WORK FOR ASHDOD OR WHOEVER THE CLIENT IS IS OUT OF PEAK HOURS SO THEY CAN CLOSE ROADWAYS DOWN. WE DID NOT PUT ON ANY CONDITIONS REGARDING THE HOURS OF OPERATION THAT WILL STILL BE SUBJECT TO WHATEVER NOISE REGULATIONS THE CITY HAS IN PLACE. WE ARE MORE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE IT IS SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL USES AND ACT VIVIDLY, AND THE TRAFFIC GENERATION IS NOT A SUBSTANTIAL ONE. IT DOES OCCUR BUT IT'S NOT SUBSTANTIAL. >> THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I WAS GOING TO GO INTO THAT NEXT, THE HOURS OF OPERATION. YOU MENTIONED THE SITE PLAN WITH THE LIGHTING , SO THOSE ARE SOME CONCERNS, AND WE HAVE HAD SOME CONCERNS WITH NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS ABOUT THIS INDUSTRIAL USE, NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS PARCEL PER SE. BUT THE ONES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THIS PARCEL. AND OF COURSE THE RESIDENT ADJACENT TO THE USES. MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL FOR THE ASPHALT PLANT TO BE IN OPERATION THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT, WHICH IT DOES OCCUR, SO I GUESS WE CAN WAIT UNTIL THE APPLICANT HAS SOME COMMENTS WHEN THEY COME FORWARD, AND AS FAR AS THE CONDITION OF A STOP BAR, WAS THAT INTERNAL OR WAS THAT THE INTERSECTION AT THAT HABIT ROAD? >> THAT WAS AN INTERNAL REMOTE GIVEN BY AN ENGINEER. >> AT THE ROADWAY? >> COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT PICTURE? IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY, I THINK I HEARD YOU TESTIFY, ALSO? >> YES, NO -- BACK AT HER KNOW WHAT THE DESIGN PARAMETRS OF THE DRIVEWAY ARE BUT YOU CAN BOOKS ARE PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, NOT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT'S A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE AWARE OF TURNING MOVEMENTS WITH LARGE TRUCKS. SO THE STOP BAR WAS THE ONLY CONSIDERATION ONE NEED. >> THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT WE RECEIVED. IF I COULD TALK ABOUT THE LIGHTING, THE LIGHTING WILL BE SUBJECT TO CITY CODE AGAIN WITH ILLUMINATION THAT SHOULD NOT SPELL OUTSIDE OF THE PROPERTY. I THINK THERE WAS [00:50:04] SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THERE, AS WELL. >> CIRCULATION, DRIVEWAY CONNECTION. >> WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANT AS THEY WENT THROUGH THIS. ONE OF THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS I WAS GOING TO MENTION IS THIS IS NOT A CONCRETE PLANT, SO THE DUST GENERATION IS NOT A BIG PART OF THIS. IT IS ASPHALT. IT DOES NOT GENERATE DUST AS SUCH. >> DOES THIS MEAN THE ROADWAY INTERNAL TO THE PUZZLE WILL BE IMPROVED? >> I THINK THEY WILL HAVE TO STABILIZE IT. >> WE WILL ASK THE APPLICANT BECAUSE IT COULD BE INDUSTRIAL. >> THANK YOU. >> A BEAR WORKING AT NIGHT, WHEN THE TRUCKS BACKUP, YOU HAVE THAT BEEPING NOISE, AND THAT IS VERY ANNOYING TO THE PEOPLE TO THE EAST TO LIVE ON 25TH STREET, IT CARRIES QUITE A BIT. AND SO, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? >> IT IS PART OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY REGULATIONS AND IT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL, SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. >> NO, I'M NOT SURE EITHER. BUT IT'S GOOD TO KNOW. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD VIEW OF THE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS? THIS FORWARD ONE THERE. WHAT IS THE PD? DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS? >> AS FAR AS WHAT'S ON THE PROPERTY? >> WHAT'S GOING THERE. >> I DO NOT KNOW. >> THE PRECAST. >> IT'S FURTHER TO THE RIGHT. >> SO THAT WILL BE A CONCRETE PLANT THERE? >> YEAH, IT ALREADY IS. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PHOTO OF THE SITE AS IT EXISTS CURRENTLY? SO THIS PLANT IS CURRENTLY FUNCTIONING ON THIS SITE? >> CURRENTLY, THEY ARE NOT IN OPERATION BECAUSE OF A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE, BUT THESE ARE THE MACHINES CURRENTLY ON SITE. >> WHAT WAS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE? THEY WERE OPERATING WITHOUT APPROVALS OR SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE? >> I THINK IT WAS ESSENTIALLY THE STORM WATER DRAINAGE, NOT HAVING CONTAINED STORMWATER FROM THAT PROPERTY. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN ITSELF? THEY ARE. DIRECTOR, YOU HAD INDICATED THAT THE PERIMETER WAS GOING TO BE BURNED WITH LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS. THERE WAS ALSO GOING TO BE FENCING ON THAT? DO WE KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT IS? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS 10 FEET. THE REASON I'M ASKING, OBVIOUSLY, TWO REASONS IS AESTHETICS AND SOUND. >> IT IS DESIGNED FOR, IN A SENSE, TO RETAIN THE STORMWATER AND DIRECT THE STORM WATER. I'M NOT CERTAIN WHAT THE HEIGHT SAYS ON THERE. >> SO THE LANDSCAPE PACKAGES BEING INSTALLED ON TOP OF THIS? JUST TO MAKE SURE I HAVE MY INFORMATION CORRECT. >> OR CLOSE TO THE BERM. >> THE LANDSCAPE GOES AROUND IT. >> THAT'S THE DASHED LINES. THE LANDSCAPE PACKAGE IS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BERM. IT IS HIDING OR BUFFERING THE BERM IT SELF WITH SOME LANDSCAPE. >> RIGHT. >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL IS TO THIS SITE? IT'S GETTING TO THE MAYOR'S COMMENTARY ABOUT NOISE, ODORS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE, BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD A TON OF COMPLAINTS COMING FROM THIS AREA FOR A WHOLE VARIETY OF THINGS TAKING PLACE OUT THERE. IT JUST APPEARS AS >> WHEN I LOOKED ON THE MAP WHEN I WAS DOING MY MAP WHEN I WAS DOING MY HOMEWORK, DIRECTLY EAST IS FORT CENTRAL. >> ON 25TH STREET. FORT PIERCE CENTRAL. AND THEN THERE IS RESIDENTIAL ON EITHERDIRECTLY, BUT ON 25TH STREET. THEN THERE IS RESIDENTIAL ON EITHER SIDE OF FORT PIERCE CENTRAL. [00:55:53] >> WHAT IS TRIGGERS THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT? >> JUST A SITE PLAN. SO THE USE IS ALLOWED. IT IS A SITE PLAN BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE ACTIVITY. >> THE SIZE? OKAY. BUT NOT THE USE? >> NOT THE USE ITSELF. >> THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING? >> YES. >> THEY ARE CREATING A BERM. THEY ARE CREATING A BUFFER WITH LANDSCAPING. IF THEY WEREN'T PUTTING IN A BERM, I SUGGEST -- I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT THEY DID. AND NOT THE ODOR. THE DUST WILL CARRY. WIND IN THAT DIRECTION MAYBE THEY CAN EXPLAIN THE PROCESS AND SCRUBBERS OR WHATEVER IT MAY TO BE ELIMINATE THAT. I DON'T KNOW BUT MAYBE WE CAN FIND OUT. MR. JOHNSON. >> MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT. I HOPE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THIS PARCEL. THIS VACANT PIECE OF GREENERY I WILL CALL IT TO THE EAST -- I WILL ASSUME TO THE EAST. THAT IS WHAT? WHAT IS /* IS THAT THE PRECAST? >> I WENT TO PRECAST AND I VISITED PRECAST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON OUT THERE AND THE WHOLE SHIFT OF OPERATIONS SUNDAY REVIEW NOW AND A SITE PLAN IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN. >> THEY HAVE TO PUT A SITE PLAN IN. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS IN PROCESS YET. >> I WILL LET THAT GO. RIGHT NOW THIS PIECE ON THE LAND. IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS HEAVILY VEGETATED HERE. TREES, ETC., IN BETWEEN. THIS ASPHALT PLANT IN PRECAST. >>. IT IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL. >> IT COULDN'T MOVE OUT TO AN INDUSTRIAL USE. >> OKAY. IT COULD? RIGHT NOW IT IS JUST BARREN? NO ONE IS OCCUPYING IT. JUST THERE? >> IT LOOKS LIKE STRUCTURES ARE ON IT. >> MAYBE SOME ACTIVITY GOING ON THEIR INDUSTRIAL BASE. LIKE ACTIVITY. >> STORAGE? I DON'T KNOW. >> WE APPROVED SOMETHING RECENTLY, MIXED USE. IS THAT TO THE SOUTH OF THIS TOWARD -- GOING TOWARD -- >> TO THE SOUTHEAST. >> APPROXIMATELY HOW FAR BECAUSE WE APPROVED THAT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT BACK THERE. >> THIS IS 4060 AND MIDWAY ROAD IS 4200. I THINK. >> YES, PROBABLY THE NEXT BLOCK OVER. I WANT TO TALK TO THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE PROCESS. I HOPE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND IT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. >> I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. CAN YOU BRING UP THE APPLICATION PACKAGE THAT IS IN OUR PACKET? BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH THE MANY PAGES IN-DEPTH. SPECIFIC TO LANDSCAPE PLAN, CULPEPPER PLAN. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF -- I THINK IT BRINGS UP -- IT BRINGS TO LIGHTSOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING UP HERE REGARDING A BERM, ELEVATIONS. I THINK THERE WAS SOME SURVEY ATTACHED. MAYBE IT WILL HELP US. STORMWATER BOND AND RETENTION. YOU KNEW I WAS GOING TO BRING UP STORMWATER. [LAUGHTER] >> I WON'T GOING TO BRING IT UP, BECAUSE I KNEW YOU WOULD. >> IF I COULD BRING MY PACKAGE IN, YOU WILL SEE A BIG OL' CIRCLE THERE WITH JEREMIAH RIGHT THERE. OKAY, YES. [LAUGHTER] ODDLY ENOUGH, I WANT TO TALK OF THE SITE PLAN SPECIFICALLY. AND I BELIEVE IT WILL BE DOWN PAGE 70 OF 101. 70 OR 71. RIGHT THERE. THAT IS GOOD. IF YOU CAN ZOOM IN IF YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE CURSOR -- ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. [01:00:03] SHOWS THE ASPHALT PLANT IN ITS CONFIGURATION. WE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS. SO I AM NOT SURE HOW IN-DEPTH WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO PRESIDENT LAYOUT OF THE SITE PLAN. THERE IS THE ASPHALT PLAN ON THE VERY SOUTHERN BORDER OR PROPERTY LINE ACCORDING TO WHAT I SEE ON THIS PAPER. NORTH BEING UP, I AM ASSUMING. ON THE -- ON THE SCREEN. SO, YOU KNOW, I AM CHALLENGED BY THIS A LITTLE BIT JUST BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUT. DID WE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE PLANT AND WITH REGARDS TO WHERE IT IS ON THE PARCEL? >> ESSENTIALLY, NOT, NO. >> THE STORMWATER WHICH IS IN BLUE, I AM ASSUMING? ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE THERE? YEAH, PROPOSED RETENTION POND. OKAY. SO WE ARE GOING TO ADD STORMWATER TO THIS. DO WE KNOW -- AROUND I AM GOING TO KINDS OF PRIME THE QUESTION TO THE APPLICANT OF WHAT THIS ROAD -- WHAT THIS CIRCULATION ROAD IS MADE OF. THAT IS ANOTHER QUESTION IN MY BOOK. AND THEN TO THE NORTH, THE TOP OF THE PAGE, THAT IS TO THE SOUTH, TO THE NORTH. RIGHT THERE. IS THAT PART OF THEIR PARCEL? THIS SECTION? BECAUSE I THINK -- WE ZOOM IN. I BELIEVE IT IS STORAGE OF MATERIAL. RECYCLED -- RECYCLED ASPHALT. IS THAT WHAT IT SAYS THERE ON THE SCREEN? YES? THERE IT IS. STOCKPILE. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO CONFIRM. SO IN THIS PACKET SOMEWHERE, YOU MIGHT INTEREST HAVE TO DO A LITTLE SEARCHING, I THOUGHT I SAW -- SEEN SOME ELEVATIONS. SO IT MIGHT HELP US WITH OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT PERIMETER BERM, ELEVATION, BUFFERING, LAND SCAPE ON TOP OF A BERM, FENCING ON TOP OF A BERM. THESE ARE VALID QUESTIONS THAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE BROUGHT TOWARD. >> HELLO, COMMISSION -- >> I AM NOT -- I AM WAITING. THIS IS -- >> ALL THOSE QUESTIONS WE CAN ANSWER. >> GOOD -- BUT WE TALK TO STAFF FIRST. I WILL LET YOU KNOW. THANK YOU, THOUGH. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT HIM TO FIND IT OR LET THE APPLICANT ANSWER? >> I KNOW THIS IS QUASI-JUDICIAL SO IT HAS TO BE ON THE RECORD. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE TO WAIT. >> THE SQUEAKY MOUSE. TRYING TO FIND SOME SECTIONS. >> I SAW IN THIS SECTION, 56 OR 57. >> SOME SECTIONS. >> THERE YOU GO. >> MADAM MAYOR, WHILE HE IS LOOKING. >> YES, SIR. >> THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THE NUMB NUMBERS. TRUST ME, PEOPLE -- THEY READ EVERY PAGE. >> I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO IT [01:05:31] THE APPLICANT TO FIGURE OUT THE ACTUAL HEIGHT OF THE BERM. NOT SURE THE -- >> LOOKS LIKE OVER FIVE FEET AND COULD BE WRONG. >> SIX FEET? >> I THINK I WILL HAVE THE APPLICANT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> NO, MA'AM, I AM GOOD. >> YOU ARE GOOD? ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ALL THE QUESTIONS? SO THE APPLICANT, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SI SIR. >> SIR, WERE YOU SWORN IN? >> NO, MA'AM. >> I THINK YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN. IF YOU ARE BOTH GOING TO SPEAK, YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN. THANK YOU, SIR. >> DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. >> RICK MANSEL. >> OKAY, MR. MANSEL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> I DON'T. >> OKAY. AND YOUR PARTNER? >> ENGINEER OF RECORD ARE, CULPEPPER. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> NO, BUT I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY. >> WHO IS SPEAKING FOR THE APPLICANT, PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND YOU HEARD OUR QUESTIONS. MAYBE YOU JUST WANT TO START -- OR DO YOU WANT US TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS? >> IF YOU ARE TALKING THE BERM DETAIL, THE ELEVATION IS ALMOST ELEVATION 20, IT IS 1997 IS THE TOP OF THE BERM. WHICH TO THE PROPERTY IS FOUR AND A HALF FEET GIVE OR TAKE FROM THE GROUND. >> IS IT EXISTING NOW? >> YES, IT IS THERE NOW. EVERYTHING IS EXISTING THERE NO NOW. >> THE HEIGHT FROM GRADE OF YOUR SITE IS FOUR AND A HALF FEET? >> YES, ROUGHLY, TO THE TOP OF THE BERM. >> MA'AM? >> YES, SIR. >> HOW FAR IS THE ASPHALT TRUCK? >> A DUMP TRUCK IS EIGHT FEET, NINE AND A HALF, TEN FEET TALL, THE TOP OF THE BED. >> AND A LANDSCAPE PLAN ATTACHED TO THE PACKET HERE. WHAT ARE YOU ADDING TO THE EXISTING TOMORROW OF BERM? >> SOME SABLE PALMS AND SOME -- AND THERE WAS -- THERE WAS SOME BRUSH ON THE BOTTOM. THERE WAS A LIST GO BACK UP. THE OTHER WAY. SORRY. YEAH, ONE MORE PAGE WILL GIVE YOU -- THERE YOU GO. WELL, IT WILL TELL US LIKE THOSE ARE CRUMPS OF SABLE PALMS AND THE SMALL ONES ARE JUST SOME HEDGES. THE LITTLE SMALL CIRCLES -- SOME KIND OF HEDGE OR SOMETHING AROUND THERE. >> THIS IS THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PARCEL? >> THE WEST SIDE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THERE. THAT IS THE NORTH SIDE ON THIS RIGHT RIGHT-HAND SIDE THAT IS WHERE THE ENTRANCE IS AS WELL. BUT ALL YOU THIS STUFF WAS ACTUALLY PUT IN A FEW YEARS BACK. SO WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS MAKING SURE THAT IT IS ALL THERE. AND IF IT IS NOT, WE WILL ADD -- YOU KNOW, GIVE IT AS MANY AS IT CALLS FOR ON THE PLANS. SOME OF THEM ARE THERE. SOME OF THEM DIED. WE WILL BE SPRUCING THEM UP. TO THE WEST OF US IS HIGH TIDE. JUST TO THE SOUTH OF US IS WASTE PRO AND THE CON CREATES. [01:10:02] AND THE AUTO AUCTION. AND WE HAVE AT LEAST ALL THE NOISE AROUND THERE. I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT. WE ARE ALL ELECTRIC. IT ALL RUNS ON ELECTRIC. SO NO NOISE. NO DUST -- VERY LITTLE DUST. IT HAS A HOUSE THAT COLLECTS ALL THE DUST. IT PULLS THE DUST IN FROM THE ROCK, LIKE A VACUUM CLEANER AND WE HAVE TO CLEAN THOSE BAGS AND THERE ARE 400 BAGS IN THIS BAGHOUSE THAT ARE SIX FOOT TALL OR WHATEVER THAT IS. AND IT SUCKS THE DUST OUT. ASPHALT PLANS ARE A LOT MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY THAN A CON SECRETE PLANT OR SOMETHING. AND THE ROAD IS ALL ASPHALT, THE CIRCLE IS ALL ASPHALT AROUND IT. AND, OF COURSE, THE ROAD GOING OUT IS ASPHALT. YOU WILL GET YOUR CONSTRUCTION DUST THAT IS JUST NORMAL. SO RELATIVELY CLEAN OPERATION AS YOU CAN SEE FROM SOME OF THE PICT PICTURES THAT WE TURNED IN. AND YOU ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME DO A SITE VISIT ANY DAY YOU WANT. >> CAN YOU GO BACK -- WHERE I WANTED TO GO. RIGHT THERE. THIS SECTION IS THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY OR DO I HAVE IT INCORRECT? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >> THIS PLAN IS ALREADY SET UP? >> YES, SIR. >> BASED ON WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT? >> ABOUT SIX YEARS. WASN'T PUT THERE BY ME. I CAME IN AND TOOK IT OVER. >> JUST A LUCKY GUY. >> YEAH, WELL, WE WILL SEE. >> I DIDN'T MEAN TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. >> NO, I'M HERE FOR IT. >> THAT MEANS ELECTRICAL SERVICES, ROADWAY NETWORK, CONNECTIONS, INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THIS HAS BEEN PUT IN PLACE? >> EVERYTHING BUT SOME OF THE NEW STUFF THAT IS PART OF THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE. LIKE THE STORMWATER. THERE IS AN OUTFOUL SWALE THAT NEEDS TO BE REBUILT, RECONSTRUCTED. CLEANED UP, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT OVER THE YEARS. IT HAS JUST BEEN THERE. AND THERE IS A RETENTION POND ON THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE SEEN, THE DRY RETENTION POND THAT HAS TO BE INSTALLED. AND THEN THAT -- HOPEFUL LY TOUH UP A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING. THE PROPERTY IS FENCED ON THE -- ON THE WEST, SOUTH, AND NORTH SIDE. BECAUSE IT IS A BIGGER PARCEL. WE ARE ONLY LEASING -- AS SHE SAID EIGHT ACRES OF THE ENTIRE PARCEL THE LAND OFF THIS SEEN IN THE GREEN IS THE OWNERS -- THEY ARE SPACED. THEY ARE OTHER PROPERTY. SO. >> SO YOU HAVE HEARD SOME CONCERNS OF THE LANDSCAPE, THE BERM, THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITHIN A FEW STONES' THROW AWAY OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. >> RIGHT. YOU ARE SURROUNDED BY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE. I GUESS THE CONCERNS ARE BUFFER. ANY OPPORTUNITY TO MITIGATE ANY NOISE, LIGHT EARLY MORNING HOURS OF OPERATION AND WE KNOW HOW D.O.T. WORKS. WE KNOW HOW THEY ARE PAID IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT INFORMATION. I DO WANT TO DIVE INTO STORMWATER AND THIS AREA IS ALWAYS PRIME ATTENTION FOR HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND MANY OF US KNOW IT IS CLOSE TO TEN-MILE CREEK THAT LEADS TO THE NORTH FOLK AND THE ST. LUCIE AND THE INDIAN RIVER REVIEW. AND WHAT ARE WE DOING WITH THE STORMWATER POND AND HOW ARE WE MAKING SURE THAT YOUR DEBRIS SENTIMENT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT STAYS ON YOUR PROPERTY. >> WELL, WE ARE PUTTING IN THE DRIVEWAY RETENTION POND. WE HAVE A CONTROL STRUCTURE THAT LET'S THE WATER OUT ONCE IT GETS TO A CERTAIN LEVEL SO NO TRUSH IS GOING TO GET OUT OR GO OUT AND GOES OVER TO THE SOUTH. DRAINS TO THE SOUTH AND GOES INTO THE CANAL. IT IS SOUTH OF TEN-MILE CREEK, PROBABLY BY I DON'T KNOW MAYBE THREE-QUARTER OF A MILE OR SO AND I AM HOUR. >> EAST AND WEST. >> THE EAST AND WEST. ALLOWS SOME. IT IS ACTUALLY RIGHT ALONG -- ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEM. SO -- SO THEY WILL BE THE ONE THAT IS CREATING ALL THE PROB PROBLEMS. [01:15:01] >> SO IN YOUR APPLICATION TO THE CITY, IS THERE -- SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT ON THE SITE? >> NOT CURRENTLY, NO. >> SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> THERE IS NO CURRENT PERMIT. >> IN THE MIC FOR ME, PLEASE, SIR. >> NO CURRENT SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. >> DOES THE OWNER PLAN TO -- >> YES. THE CITY REQUIREMENTS. IF -- IF -- IF WE ARE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE -- PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS. WE WILL NEED TO SUBMIT TO SOUTH FLOR FLORIDA. >> THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. >> JUST REAL QUICK. CAN YOU FROM THE COURT OF RECORD CONFIRM THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND WALK ME THROUGH THE PROCESS OF HOW THIS -- YOU MENTION IT IS ELECTRIC AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS STILL SOME PROCESSING OF ROCKS, CEMENT OR SOMETHING TO TURN IT INTO ASPHALT. CAN YOU GIVE ME THE LAYMAN'S VERSION OF WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE? >> YES, SIR. WE JUST USE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ROCK. FOUR DIFFERENT STYLES FROM SMALL TO, LIKE, SCREENS. A REAL FINE CRUSHED UP SAND, YES. A FRONT-END LOADER RUNNING WHICH -- BRINGS THE MATERIAL TO THE PLANT AND THE PLANT DOES THE MIXING AND THE TURNING AND THE BERMING. AND IT HAS OBVIOUSLY BLACK LIQUID THAT GOES INTO THE MATERIAL TO MAKE THE ASPHALT BLACK. >> OKAY. AGAIN, NOTHING IS EXPOSED OTHER THAN THE ROCK. EVERYTHING IS THROUGH TUBES. AND ONCE IT GETS INTO THE PLANT ITSELF, IT -- YOU KNOW, IT IS A BIG MIXER IN THERE. AND IT TURNS IT -- IT MIX IT IS TOGETHER. AND COMES OUT THE OTHER END HOT AND BLACK AND LOADED INTO THE TRUCK. WE PUT IT IN THE SILOS, YES. HOURS OF OPERATION ARE GENERALLY 6:00 TO 5:00. BUT IF IT CALLS FOR NIGHT WORK, 6 A.M. TO 5 P.M. IF IT CALLS FOR NIGHT WORK, IT IS JUST PART OF THE JOB. YOU GUYS PUT JOBS OUT ALL THE TIME THAT REQUIRE NIGHT WORK ONLY. I HAVE BEEN IN THIS AREA FOR 35 YEARS DOING THIS. SO SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE. AND OBVIOUSLY IT IS MUCH EASIER -- IT IS HARDER ON OUR SLEEP HABITS BUT EASIER TO WORK AT NIGHT WHEN THE TRAFFIC IS AT HOME AND SO ON AND SO FORTH I DON'T THINK FEEL WE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO RESIDENTS SOUTH A HALF A MILE. OF COURSE WE ARE TO THE EAST ALONG 25TH STREET WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS. >>THE SIZE TRUCKS THAT WILL BE TRANSFERRED FROM THE TANKS TO THE ACTUAL SITE. THOSE ARE NOT SEMI TRUCKS OBVIOUSLY. >> NO, JUST YOUR REGULAR DUMP TRUCKS YOU SEE ON THE ROAD DAILY EVERYWHERE. PICK IT UP AND BRING THE MATERIAL TO WHATEVER THE JOB IS. >> DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING COULD -- GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OR YOUR BEST ESTIMATE OF WHAT OPERATION OVERNIGHT. HOW MANY TRUCKS ARE COMING THROUGH THERE. YOUR BEST ESTIMATE MAYBE 20 TO 30 TRIPS. BASED ON THE LOAD AND SOMETIMES THE TRUCK MAY ONLY MAKE ONE TRICK. AND SLP ENOUGH TRUCKS TO DO ONE LOAD AND THEY ARE DONE AND KEEPS THE OPERATION GOING WHEN YOU ARE PAVING. WE ARE NOT FOCUSING ON NIGHT WORK. WE DON'T CARE FOR B.O.T. WORK. WE ARE INTO PRIVATE COMMERCIAL, HOAS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I BELIEVE WE WILL BE RUNNING MORE DAYLIGHT TIME THAN NIGHTTIME THAT I WOULD PREFER. >> YOUR HOURS 6:00 TO 5:00, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. >> AND FRIDAY. WE HAVE WORK SIX DAY AS WEEK. >> 6 A.M. ON SATURDAY? >> NORMALLY SATURDAY IS MAINTENANCE DAY, CLEANUP AND GET READY FOR THE NEXT WEEK SO IT IS MAINLY JUST THE GUYS AND MOST NOT LIKELY ON THE START THAT EARLY. BETWEEN 7 AND 8. >> HEAT, SMOKE, DUST? [01:20:06] ANYTHING LIKE THAT? A LITTLE BIT OF EVAPORATED SMOKE. STEAM IN THE MORNINGS AND ALL IT IS STEAM. FIRING UP. >> AN ODOR? ANY KIND OF ODOR? >> SMELLS GOOD TO ME? [LAUGHTER] WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT SMELL. RIGHT. >> SMELLS GOOD. IT IS NOT AN ODOR THAT CARRIES. YES. THREE OR FOUR THINGS AT ONCE. AND SOMETHING -- SOMETHING FROM THAT. BUT IT IS NOT SO STRONG THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW NOT LIKE THE TAR THAT YOU SMELL OR SOMETHING YOU SAID ON THE ROOF. IT IS JUST NOT THAT CONCENTRATED AND THAT THICK. EVERYTHING IS HEATED UP ON THE INSIDE. IT IS ALL PUT IN TANKS. AND HEATED UP HOT RIGHT NOW. CONTAINED INSIDE THE TANK. BIG STAND-UP TANK. IT MAKES THE SMELL INSIDE. BUT YOU WILL GET A LITTLE BIT. >> OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? OTHER QUESTIONS? >> SO YOU TALKED ABOUT CHEMICALS A FEW MINUTES AGO. WHATEVER ASPHALT. I AM ASSUMING THEY ARE IN A LIQUID FORM? >> THE ONLY CHEMICAL WE USE IS A LIQUID AC. JUST RAW GAS. BEFORE IT TURNS ON THE GAS. IT IS JUST BASICALLY CRUDE OIL. >> AND HOW MANY GALLONS ROUGHLY ARE STORED ON-SITE OR TRANSPORTED TO THE SITE? >> WE HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE FOR 20,000 GALLONS OR 20,000 TONS. >> HOW IS THAT REGULATED? DEP REGULATED? >> YOU JUST GO DOWN THE LIST. YOU START AT THE TOP. >> WHAT KIND OF CONTAINMENT FOR ANY ISSUE? >> DOUBLE WALL TANK, VERTICAL. 10,000 APIECE. HOT OIL TANKS. AND DOUBLE WRAP BECAUSE THEY ARE INSULATED BECAUSE YOU HEAT THEM UP AND THEY GOT TO STAY HOT. SO WE ARE ALWAYS -- KEEP THE BURNER ON 24-7 AND IN THE CONCRETE BIN. LIKE YOU USED TO SEE BACK IN THE OLD DAYS SO THEY ARE ALL CONTAINED IN THERE. >> THE SITE PLAN PICTURES, THE PHOTOGRAPHS? >> WHERE IT SAYS FUEL TANK CONTAINMENT. USED OIL CONTAINMENT. YES, THAT'S IT. AND ALL BUILT THAT WAY. IT DOESN'T HOE THE HEIGHT AND THE -- BUT THAT IS PRETTY -- PRETTY ACCURATE RIGHT THERE WHAT THAT SHOWS. THE WALLS ARE INCHES HIGH. I HAD TO MEASURE THEM THE OTHER DAY. >> SO THE RUNOFF IN THIS AREA IS GOING TO FLOW TO REFRAYED THE SITE AND WILL GO TO YOUR DRIVE, RETENTION. HOW WILL THAT WORK IF YOU HAVE THIS OPERATION HERE AND DRY RETENTION TO THE NORTH. >> THERE IS A -- THE RUNOFF WILL FIND THE PERIMETER SWALES BE AROUND THE PROPERTY. THEY FEED THE PROPOSED RETENTION BOND FOR QUALITY AND ATTENUATION AND THE CONTROL STRUCTURE IS DISCHARGED INTO A DITCH THAT FEEDS THE CANAL TO THE SOUTH. SO BEFORE IT GETS TO THE CANAL, IT GETS -- IT GOES THROUGH THE POND. WHERE -- WHERE WATER QUALITY AND ATTENUATION OCCUR. >> THAT IS THE CANAL THAT YOU REFERENCED EARLIER? >> YES, TO THE SOUTH OF MAYBE 500 FEET TO THE SOUTH OF THE -- OF THE LEASE AREA. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF JEREMIAH'S QUESTIONS AND COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON'S QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW THE TERMINOLOGY FOR THIS. WHAT IS THE SPECIALIZED CATCHING SYSTEMS THEY ARE USING AT THE OUTFALL TO GRAB ANY TOXIC MATERIALS? LIKE IN GAS STATIONS, THEY PUT THEM INTO THE CATCH BASINS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. TO YOU KNOW WHAT I AM REFERRING TO? ARE YOU USING ANY SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT TO MITIGATE ANY SPILLED MATERIAL. LOOK, THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME MATERIAL THAT ENDS UP ON THE SEPARATOR THAT IS COLLECTING THAT MATERIAL BEFORE IT HITS THE OUTFALL? >> NO, NOT REALLY. THOSE WILL JUST BE AN ACCIDENT. YEAH, A CONSTRUCTION SITE. IT IS GOING TO BE AN ACCIDENT. BUT AS FAR AS THE CHEMICALS AND THE STUFF THAT WE USE, NOTHING HITS THE GROUND. I MEAN, OTHER THAN WHAT IS NATURAL. [01:25:01] YOU KNOW, ROCKS SITTING ON THE GROUND. BUT THAT IS NATURAL. NONE OF THIS -- THE ONLY CHEMICAL TECHNICALLY IS THE LIQUID AC. >> THE OIL. >> AND IT IS ALL CONTAINED, AGAIN, DOUBLE WALL TANKS. YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH THAT IS REQUIRED. SO -- AND IT IS CONTAINED AND WE ALSO -- YOU KNOW, KIND OF CONTAINMENT ARE IS ALMOST LIKE A DOUBLE, TRIPLE BARRIER BECAUSE WE HAVE DOUBLE WALL TANKS AND SITTING INSIDE THESE CONTAINMENTS. SO IF THEY WERE TO LEAK, IT WILL GO IN THERE AND NO WAY TO GO OUT. NO HOLES IN THE WALL. A TYPICAL -- THAT IS WHEN YOU GOT TO DO YOUR CLEANUP. >> MITIGATION PLAN FOR CLEANUP? >> YES, WE HAVE MSDS AND -- YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT IS A CONSTRUCTION SITE. >> THAT IS REQUIRED. >>THE OSHA AND THE DEAL. YOU KNOW -- >> ALL THE -- >> I GUESS I AM KIND OF GLAD YOU HAVE OVERSIGHT BY HALF THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> HARD TO WORK SOMETIMES. >> THANK YOU. >> OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. ANYONE ELSE? YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO SAY BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? APPLICANT? ANYTHING FURTHER TO SAY? >> NO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRINGING IT BACK TO THE COMMI COMMISSION. >> MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE SAID CONDITIONS. >> I SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL -- YES. >> QUICK DISCUSSION ON THAT. SO THIS IS A CHALLENGING APPLICATION, RIGHT. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF ITEMS TO IT BE AWARE OF. REGARDING THE MITIGATION OF POTENTIAL IMPACTS IN ADDITION TO THAT. WE HEARD TESTIMONY ON STORMWATER AND THE COLLECTION OF STORMWATER. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK WAS REFERENCING CERTAIN PARAMETERS. I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THEM IN OTHER APPLICATIONS WHERE IT IS A -- YOU KNOW, STORMWATER INLET COLLECTION BOX THAT CALL IT BAFFLE BOXES. THIS IS WHY I WAS ASKING OF SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT BECAUSE SOME OTHER PARAMETERS THAT CAN BE APPLIED HERE THAT -- THAT ARE -- THAT ARE GOOD PRACTICE, YOU KNOW, AND GOOD -- GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO -- TO SAVE OUR ENVIRONMENT IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE. AT THE SAME TIME, I APPRECIATE THE APPLICANT COMING FORWARD, BECAUSE YOUR -- YOU ARE LOOKING TO, YOU KNOW, RUN YOUR BUSINESS. AND A SMALL BUSINESS AND A LARGE BUSINESS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. SO YOU ARE TRADING DOGS IN OUR ECONOMY AND CITIES AND A DELICATE BALANCE FROM OUR ARE HE IS DENTS AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ALIKE. AS YOU KNOWING ABOUT IN BUSINESS FOR 30-PLUS YEARS DOWN IN SOUTH FLO FLORIDA. SO. THERE IS A LOT TO THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN OPERATING. AND JUST KNOWING THE SENSITIVITY OF THE STORMWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM ON A. ON A LITTLE REGIONAL BASIS AND THE TESTIMONY I HEARD TONIGHT ABOUT THE COLLECTION, THE ADDITION OF THE STORMWATER POND. 500 FEET AWAY FROM THE BODY OF WATER A.K.A. CANAL THAT I HEARD GOING FORWARD. WE HEARD A LOT OF CHALLENGES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, FOUR AND A HALF FEET OF BERM IS NOT A LOT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE MITIGATION FACTORS THAT COULD BE IMPOSED UPON THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPLICATION TONIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THERE IS SOME SOLUTIONS. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE DONE SOME THINGS IN THE PAST DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITHOUT MITIGATION OF THE EFFECTS OF NOISE OR DUST OR, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS WE JUST KNOW THAT HAPPENS IN CONSTRUCTION AS THE APPLICANT SAID. SO, YOU KNOW, I AM CHALLENGED HERE WITHOUT THE ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS OF HEAVIER BUFFERING, HEAVIER LANDSCAPE, YOU KNOW, PERIMETER BARRIERS IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS GREATER THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THIS APPLICATION. SO I CAN'T SUPPORT IT AT THIS POINT. IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE AND GET THROUGH THE PROCESS AT THE END OF THE DAY TO COME UP WITH SOME OTHER PARAMETERS. [01:30:02] SO THE RULE THE COMMISSION. WE WILL SEE WHERE IT GOES. THAT'S WHERE I AM AT. HOPEFULLY I AM CLEAR ENOUGH IN KIND OF MY POINT OF VIEW. I THINK THERE IS OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCCESS. I JUST DON'T THINK WE ARE THERE YET. THAT'S WHERE I AM AT, THANK YOU. >> MAY I? >> YES, SIR. >> I SHARE COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON'S CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY WITH THE STORMWATER ISSUE. I DON'T COMMENT ON STORMWATER OFTEN BECAUSE THAT IS HIS AREA OF EXPERTISE AND WE ARE RELYING ON HIS EXPERTISE. BAFFLING ARE THINGS THAT THE SITE IS DESIGNED FOR IN THE EVENT OF SPILLAGE AND WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. THIS STUFF IS INSTANTLY INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND INTO THE LAGOON QUICKLY. SO I -- I SHARE COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON'S CONCERNS. I DON'T WANT -- AND I ALSO AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT OF WE DON'T WANT TO STOP AN EMPLOYER IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE RUNNING A BUSINESS. THEY ARE RUN AGNES BUSINESS. ASPHALT GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE. MISSING A TON OF WORK RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE INCREASE IN LANDSCAPE BUFFERING, POTENTIALLY EXTENSION OF THE HEIGHT OF THE BERM. MORE IMPORTANTLY THE STORMWATER ISSUE HAS GOTTEN OUR ATTENTION AS FAR AS THERE IS NO MITIGATION. ANY TYPE OF ISSUE ON THE SITE, THIS MATERIAL IS IMMEDIATELY INTO OUR ECOSYSTEM, IMMEDIATELY, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T REALLY SEE A SOLUTION TO THAT UNLESS THEY ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL THAT CANDIDLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON SATISFIED WITH. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT FALLS UNDER THE REGULAR PLAYERS OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT IT IS STRICT THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON WILL DO FOR THEM. WHERE IT FALLS UNDER. US OR AN OUTSIDE AGENCY THAT WILL HAVE OVERSIGHT? WHO HAS OVERSIGHT? >> MULTIPLE JURISDICTIONS TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND I THINK OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF AND OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, CORE HAVE VALUABLE INPUT IN INCREASING EXACTLY WHAT YOU AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT. I AM GOING TO KEEP IT ON THE LAYMAN'S TERMS BECAUSE I WANT PROFESSIONAL STAFF MEMBERS TO WEIGH IN. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOVE AND BEYOND AND OR WHAT THIS APPLICATION IS -- IS SHOWING TONIGHT. MAYBE THE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER OF RECORD AT CULPEPPER INTERPRETING HAS ADDITIONAL PARAMETERS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IMPLEMENTED AND THAT THEY CAN RECOMMEND -- THAT OUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF CAN GO ALONG WITH. I DIDN'T HEAR THE -- THE APPLICANT'S RESPONSES THAT -- THAT -- THAT THOSE PARAMETERS WERE BEING PROPOSED. SO -- >> OKAY. SO LET ME MAKE THE COMMENT THEN. DIRECTOR FREEMAN, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE GOING? >> I DO. >> DO YOU SHARE OUR CONCERNS OR ARE WE GOING ON THE LIMB? >> I DO SHARE YOUR CONCERNS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THIS IS A ZONING APPLICATION FOR A SITE PLAN. FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, WE REVIEWED IT UNDER THE ZONING CODE AND REGULATIONS. THAT'S WHY IT IS HERE WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THERE ARE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING WHICH ARE CONTROLLED BY EXTERNAL AGENCIES. THE STATE DOES NOT ALLOW US TO HOLD A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION BASED ON APPROVAL OR LICENSES OR PERMITS REQUIRED FROM EXTERNAL AGENCIES. THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY THAT WE HAVE. WE ASSESS IT AGAINST CITY CODE, IF IT MEETS CODE. WE HAVE FEEDBACK FROM EXTERNAL AGENCIES DURING THAT PROCESS THAT ALSO REVIEW THEIR OWN CODE AND CITY CODE, INCLUDING OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. SO I -- I FULLY UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES THAT YOU ARE DISCUSSING. THE PARAMETERS THAT WE ARE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THROUGH THOSE THINGS I THINK ARE DIFFICULT. >> WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL. >> THE CONTROL EXISTS, IT IS OUT THERE SOMEWHERE. >> BUT NOT WITHIN THESE FOUR WALLS. >> FROM WHAT WE HAVE -- WHAT WE HAVE REVIEWED AGAINST OUR OWN CODE, WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED COMMENTS BACK, IT MEETS CODE. IT'S A HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING. SO WE ARE LIMITED TO THE PARAMETERS OF REVIEWING IT UNDER THAT ZONING. >> WE HAVE TO JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT HAVE JURISDICTION OVER THIS ARE ENGAGED IN THIS DISCUSSION, WITH THE APPLICANT? >> WE DO RECOMMEND THAT -- WE RECOMMEND THAT BEFORE OPERATIONS COMMENCE, THAT APPLICANTS AND [01:35:04] RESPONSIBLE PARTIES DO OBTAIN THE NECESSARY PERMITS FROM EXTERNAL AGENCIES. WE CAN'T REQUIRE THOSE TO BE SHOWN US TO BEFORE WE ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT. >> TO BE QUITE BLUNT ABOUT IT. I WILL BE DIRECT. THEY WERE IN OPERATION FOR SIX YEARS WITHOUT PERMITTING. WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? SITE PLAN REVIEW. THEY CAME IT AND SET UP AND STARTED PRODUCING ASPHALT. >> I BELIEVE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE CASE. I AM NOT FULLY CONVERSANT WITH THE ENFORCEMENT CRITERIA. I KNOW THAT THE ENFORCEMENT CRITERIA THAT WAS -- THAT THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE TO CLEAN WERE THE -- WERE THE STORMWATER ISSUES THAT WOULD LEAD TO A REQUIREMENT OF A SITE PLAN. I AM NOT SURE -- I CAN'T GIVE EVIDENCE TO SAY THEY WERE DOING THINGS WITHOUT -- >> THE ONLY THING THAT FALLS UNDER OUR CONTROL IS THE LANDSCAPE PACKAGE AND THE STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEM. >> AND THE USE, YES. >> THE USE IS ALREADY ACCEPTED IN THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL. >> YES. AND THE TRAFFIC COMPLIES WITH THE TRAFFIC REVIEW. >> MINIMAL. THE IMPACT IS VIRTUALLY NONEXISTENT AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. >> MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO JUMP IN SINCE THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL AND WE ARE MAKING A RECORD. AND I AM GLAD YOU -- YOU CUT ME OFF SOME, DIRECTOR, BECAUSE THIS IS GONE THROUGH A PLANNING BOARD. THIS HAS GONE THROUGH OUR CITY PLANNING A. AND I AM PRETTY SURE MISS ANDREWS IS IN THE AUDIENCE, THEY LOOKED AT EVERYTHING AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR AND I AM GLAD YOU ANSWERED THIS QUESTION, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT ANY PROJECT LIKE THIS THAT COMES UNDERSTANDS THAT THEY NEED TO LOOK AT STORMWATER. UNDERSTANDS THEY NEED TO LOOK AT SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT IS, ANY PROTECTIONS FROM SPILLAGE GOING INTO OUR -- OUR LAGOON. SO I -- I ASSUMED -- AND I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME ANYTHING IN THIS SEAT, BUT I ASSUME THAT THOSE QUESTIONS WERE -- ARE BEING ASKED BECAUSE I SEEN THEM ASKED BEFORE. AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED. I ALSO KNOW FROM READING SOME OF THE STUFF THAT THE FLORIDA STATUTES HAVE DONE, IT IS ALMOST KIND OF TIED OUR HANDS. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? >> THEY HAVE SEPARATED EXTERNAL AGENCIES FROM OUR REVIEW, YES. >> SO, THERE IT IS. SO TO COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I SEE YOUR -- AND TO COMMISSIONER JEREMIAH. SOME CALLS TO STATE REPRESENTATIVES TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, HEY, YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO LOOK AT THIS TO SEE. THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IS, I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO CRITICIZE THIS APPLICANT, BECAUSE I THINK HIS TESTIMONY WAS, HE CAME IN AND TOOK OVER. AND HE WAS TRYING TO CLEAN UP WHAT WAS BEING DONE. SO IT IS NOT FAIR TO SAY THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR -- SOMEONE WAS DOING IT. SOMEONE WAS DOING IT WITH WITHOUT PERMITS, BUT THIS APPLICANT CAME IN AND WAS TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE OUT THERE THAT HE HAS BEEN DOING IT, YOU KNOW, FOR SIX YEARS. HE SAID -- AND I THINK THEY ANSWERED -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER OWNER WAS DOING. I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. I THINK THAT IS WHAT THEY SAID. FROM WHAT I READ AND HEARD TONIGHT, THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND THEY ARE FOLLOWING OUR RULES TO DO THE RIGHT THING. SO I UNDERSTAND YOU AND -- AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S CONCERN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT A ANY MISHAPS. I DON'T WANT -- YOU KNOW, HE SAID -- GALLONS -- I DON'T WANT A PINT OF THE OIL TO GET IN THE LAGOON BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THOSE E-MAILS, THAT CRY, I DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I THINK IT IS UNFAIR TO ASK AN APPLICANT TO COME IN TO DO STUFF THAT OUR OWN CITY CODES ARE NOT ENFORCING US TO DO. THAT IS OUR POINT. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CHANGED THAT, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PICK UP A PHONE AND CALL DANA ORDER RAIN. OR PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THE GOVERNOR. YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE TYING THE HANDS OF THE STATE OFFICIALS AND COUNTY OFFICIALS FOR PROTECTING THESE LAGOONS. OR GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR AND KNOCK ON -- -- YOU KNOW YOUR LITTLE LIST YOU ARE MAKING FOR THE CONGRESSMAN, ADD THIS TO THE LIST BECAUSE HE IS ALL ABOUT PROTECTING THE LAGOON. EVERYBODY IS. [01:40:01] SO I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE ARE HERE, WHY I READ THIS WAS HERE AND TO ADD OTHER THINGS ON AT THIS JUNCTURE IS -- IS UNFAIR TO THE APPLICANT. THAT IS JUST MY OPINION. I AGREE 100% WITH YOU AND JEREMIAH THAT WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE LAGOON, BUT WITH THE -- WITH THE RULES AND THE PLANS, THE COSTS THEY WERE GIVEN, I THINK THEY FOLLOWED THE RULES BASED ON WHAT I READ. >> TO RESPOND TO YOU ON THAT, COMMISSIONER GUAMIES, YOU ARE RIGHT. THE PERSPECTIVE THAT OUR HANDS ARE TIED AND OUR STAFF'S HANDS ARE TIED THAT ALL THESE OTHER IMPORTANT ITEMS ARE IN COMPLIANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CLUE. I AGREE WITH YOU. THAT. >> WHY I ASKED A QUESTION IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL ZONING CLASSIFICATION. I KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO DO. NOT WHAT I WANT TO DO. THAT IS WHAT IT COME DOWN TO. AT THE END OF THE DAY AN UNPOLICED MATTER AND SOME TYPE OF A SPRINKLE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, WE WILL HEAR ABOUT IT FOR SURE. I AM SAYING THE APPROPRIATE PARTY, BECAUSE OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT NEED TO BE DEALING WITH. THE QUESTION IS ARE THEY? WE HAVE NO CLUE THEY ARE. >> THIS OUR TIME BECAUSE IT IS OUR QUASI. THIS IS THE TIME. LET'S AT THAT YOU CAN ABOUT IT. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> WE ARE IN QUASI JUDICIAL. COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, RIGHT. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN -- THE ACTUAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE HERE. BECAUSE THEY SPECIFICALLY CALL OUT, YOU KNOW, THE LEVEL WILL OF SHRUBBERY, ETC., VEGETATION. SO THIS WENT THROUGH -- AND I ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER GAINES SAID, THIS HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH OUR PROFESSIONAL DEPARTMENTS ALREADY AND THEY HAVE WEIGHED IN ON THIS AND THE CONDITIONS THAT COME OUT, THE VEGETATION THAT WAS HERE. WHAT IS IN QUESTION WHERE I WANT TO BE CLEAR, MR. FREEMAN, THE BERM, TREES, ETC., SHRUBBERY, ON TO HAVE THE EXISTING BERM FOUR FEET HIGH. >> THE SITE PLAN DOESN'T SHOW THAT. I DON'T THINK -- I THINK THE SITE PLAN SHOWS THE LANDSCAPING OUTSIDE ON THE PERIMETER. ALL OF THE PROPERTY AND THE BERM SET BACK FROM THAT PERIMETER. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT. >> WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. FROM A ZONING REVIEW OF THIS, AND AN ENGINEERING REVIEW OF THIS, TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. ONE, DOES THE BERM TIE INTO THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM? DOES THAT DO THAT JOB? AND SEPARATELY TO THAT, DOES THE LANDSCAPING, IF IT IS IN EXISTENCE OR IF IT NEEDS REPLACEMENT, DOES THAT MEET CITY CODE? WE HAVE NO CODE TO SAY LANDSCAPING SHOULD GO ON TOP OF THE BERM. >> WHAT I ALSO HEARD FROM TESTIMONY IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REGULATING AGENCIES THAT REGULATE THIS TYPE OF INDUSTRY AS WELL, THAT IS WELL BEYOND OUR CAPABILITY OF MAKING SURE AND I HEARD OSHA. THAT IS A BIG ONE FOR ME. I THINK THE OTHER THING IS THAT AS I UNDERSTAND IT RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO STORMWATER TREATMENT POND ON THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. >> I THINK THAT -- PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD -- WOULD I CAN CORPORATE THAT STORMWATER. >> IT IS NOW. NOTHING THERE NOW. >> RIGHT. >> OUR FUNDAMENTAL ISSUE, IF THERE ARE OPERATIONS GOING ON, NOTHING THERE TO PROTECT ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. WITH ALL THE RAINS WE ARE GETTING IN THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT IS GOING ON OUT THERE. AND THIS PARTICULAR PLAN TENDS TO BRING FORTH TO ME WHAT I READ IS THAT WE WILL GET A RETENTION AND INTO WILL COLLECT SOME OF THIS RUNOFF THAT RIGHT NOW I AM NOT SURE IS WHERE IT IS GOING. FURTHER GREATER CONCERN OF WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND EVERYTHING THAT IS OUT THERE WITH THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, I STILL STAND IN FAVOR WITH THESE REGULATIONS AND COMFORTABLE THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE IN PLACE AND COMMISSIONER, I AM -- IF YOU GOT A NUMBER OF ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF VEGETATION, I GUESS, OR -- THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SEE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING OF DENSITY OF VEGE VEGETATION, BUFFERR. I AM OPEN TO THAT TO UNDERSTAND. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES, SIR. >> I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER. I THINK THE BUFFERING, A HEDGE. IT COULD BE CLUMPS OF TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED. IT COULD BE TREES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT. I AM GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO THE PROFESSIONALS TO HEAR OUR COMMENTS SPECIFICALLY TO AND COME UP WITH A PLAN. THAT IS EXACTLY WHERE I AM AT. SO PART OF THE COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IS NOT JUST [01:45:03] VERBAL TESTIMONY. IT IS PART OF THE PACKET THAT IS HERE, 101 PAGES. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW ON SHEET 31, THE DRAINAGE WAS NOT REVIEWED. A FULL REVIEW WILL BE COMPLETED AT THE TIME OF DPCR. THAT WAS FROM SOME STAFF MEMBERS. THE PROJECT SHOULD HAVE ALL LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL PERMITS AS REQUIRED IN PLACE PRIOR TO CONDUCTING ANY LAND CLEARING OPERATION. AND THERE WERE RESPONSES IN THE PACKET DONE BY THE ENGINEER AND THE APPLICANT FOR THE TEAM. THEY ARE RESPONDING TO AND THEY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO WORK ON A FEW THINGS. I KNOW IN OUR CODE SECTIONS THAT WE ARE GOVERNED BY WHATEVER CHAPTERS, 125 FOR SURE. 119 MAYBE. YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THESE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION. I DON'T THINK THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ARE HANDCUFFED BY ANY MEANS. WE HAVE A LOT OF CODE AND A LOT OF REGULATIONS. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT FEASIBLE, LIKE WE SAID FOR THE APPLICANT, THE BUSINESS OWNER. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT AMENABLE TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, TO EMPLOYMENT, TO OUR RESIDENTS. OUR RESIDENTS HAVE TASKED US WITH MAKING SURE THAT THE -- THAT THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE IS PROTECTED. AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM. I DON'T THINK IT IS THERE YET AND I DON'T THINK IT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. WHAT I HEARD AND READ, WE ARE ALMOST THERE. CAN I GIVE YOU A RECOMMENDATION ON PERCENT CADGE? NO, I AM NOT GOING TO DO THAT. IT IS NOT MY TESTIMONY. DO I HAVE IDEAS? SURE. I AM A HUMAN BEING, I HAVE IDEAS. BUT I THINK A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE MADE. I AM JUST WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICATION AS IT SITS WITH REGARDS TO THE BUFFERING, LANDSCAPING, THE POSITION OF -- I WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. AND THE STORMWATER. AND I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE DEVICE ITSELF. THE TESTIMONY I HEARD AND IT WAS SAID THAT IT WAS PORTABLE. NOT MUCH FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT IS A PORTABLE SYSTEM. IT IS NOT PERMANENT. THE BUILDING CODE IS APPLIED IN A DIFFERENT FACE WHEN IT COMES TO SUCH THINGS. SOME THE PROCESS AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD AFTER THIS PROCESS IS DIFFERENT THAN A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS GOING TO BE BUT COULD BE BECAUSE OF THE PERMITTING APPLICATION PROCESS IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT AT PERMANENT STRUCTURE WHICH IS A GOOD THING ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT LOOKING TO DO THIS BUSINESS. I AM JUST NOT THERE YET, COMMISSIONERS. I AM JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. I CAN SEE THE POINTS CLEAR. AND THAT'S WHERE I AM AT. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WANT TO SAY IT COULD BE A PORTABLE, BUT IT WAS A PERMANENT STRUCTURE. >> THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T GOING TO MOVE IT, FROM WHAT I REMEMBER. >> I READ SOMEWHERE -- WE ARE NOT GOING TO ARGUE -- BE. >> MIGHT BE, BUT PERMITS MAY SAY WE DON'T WANT AT THAT MOVING AROUND THE SITE. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ARE WE READY TO VOTE? THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND. CALL THE ROLL. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. [a. Resolution 24-R49 addressing a second request for an extension to comply with the terms of the Quit Claim Deed for 133 N 10th Street.] >> NO MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> NEXT IS RESOLUTION 24-R 49, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OF JOHN BEST AND SMITH FOR THE TERMS OF A QUITCLAIM DEED FOR 1 3 NORTH 10TH STREET. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> YES, MA'AM, MISS COX. >> WE HAVE THE APPLICANT WITH US THIS EVENING. AND THEY ARE SEEKING AN EXTENSION TO COMPLY WITH THE QUITCLAIM DEED AND HE HAS AN UPDATE WHERE THEY ARE ON THE PROJECT PROCESS. >> SIR, STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE, FOR THE RECORD. >> MY NAME IS JOHN BESS. 5525 16TH STREET NORTHWEST IN D.C. TO UPDATE THE COMMISSION. THE LAST TIME WE WERE HERE UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE AGAIN ASKING FOR AN EXTENSION AND WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE BUILDING PERMITS TO COMMENCE THE WORK. THERE WERE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE ENGINEERING. THERE WERE COMMENTS THAT WE NEEDED A CERTIFIED FOUNDATION PLAN. AND A DRAINAGE PLAN. WE ALSO REPRESENTED THAT WE HAD [01:50:06] DISMISSED OUR CURRENT -- THE RETAINED ENGINEER AND HIRED ANOTHER SQUIRM. THAT WE -- WE THOUGHT THAT WE HAD -- WE HAD GOT A MAJOR FIRM HERE IN THE CITY THAT RECOGNIZES DOING WORK. THEY ACCEPTED US. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE WAS A LARGE FIRM. AND THEY DIDN'T -- THEY PUT US AT THE END OF THE LIST, THE END OF THE LINE. IT TOOK A LITTLE TIME. MORE TIME THAN WE EXPECTED AND WE WERE MOVING FORWARD. WE ALSO -- AS THE MONTHS WENT BY, THE WEEKS WENT BY AND SOMETIMES DAILY, WE WOULD LET THE CITY KNOW WHERE WE WERE IN THAT PROCESS. AND IT BECAME ANOTHER OBSTACLE WHICH WAS A GOOD ONE. THE CITY REQUIRED US TO HAVE SUBCONTRACTORS THAT WERE LICENSED IN -- IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE HAVE A FEW CHALLENGES WITH THAT. THE CONTRACTOR NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA. HE IS FROM MIAMI. HE WAS ASSIGNED AS A CONTRACTOR BECAUSE THE STEEL HOMES COMPANY OPERATES OUT OF MIAMI. HE WAS ASSIGNED AND HE WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE CONTRACTS. THE LICENSED CONTRACTORS HERE. THE GOOD NEWS IS, WE FINALLY CLEARED ALL THOSE HURDLES AND OBSTACLES, AND LAST WEEK OR TEN DAYS AGO, WE FINALLY RECEIVED THE PERMIT TO START BUILDING. AND THE CONTRACTOR HAS MOBILIZED HIS RESOURCES. HE IS READY TO GO. HE HAS BEEN TO IS THAT SITE. THROUGHOUT WEDNESDAY, THE SURVEYOR WHO PROVIDED THE SURVEY WILL PROVIDE A -- AN OFFICIAL STAKE OF WHERE THE -- THE PROPERTY WILL GO. AND CONTRACTOR SAYS THE DAY AFTER THAT, HE HAS MOBILIZED HIS -- HIS RESOURCES TO START EITHER THURSDAY OR FRIDAY DEPENDING ON HOW THE SURVEYOR IS. WE ARE READY. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR MUCH MORE TIME, YOU KNOW. A FEW MORE MINUTES TO KIND OF GET THIS THING GOING. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO START. AND SO THAT PART WILL HAPPEN. IT IS A MODULAR HOME. ACCORDING TO THE CONTRACTOR, IT KIND OF COMES ON THE TRUCK. AND -- AND THEY KIND OF -- THEY CALL IT "ZIPPING IT TOGETHE." I HAVE NOTIFIED THAT THE NEIGHBORING LOTS AND OWNER THAT A BIG MACHINE WILL COME ON ONE OF THE LOTS AND DROP THE EQUIPMENT, AND I NOTICED THE OTHER LADY TO THE NORTH ABOUT THE DRAINAGE. IT WILL BE EASIER TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY FROM ONE SIDE. AND ADVISE THEM OF THE DRAINAGE PLANS THAT WE ARE GOING TO -- TO BE USING. SO THAT IS THE FOUNDATION. I -- MY WIFE AND I DO EXPECT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES OR REMIND THE STEEL HOMES COMPANY OF SOME DESIGNS -- EXTERIOR DESIGNS. WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE APPLICATION WE WERE INFORMED IN THAT APPLICATION WE WILL TRY TO MAKE THAT HOUSE IN THE SAME VERNACULAR AS THE OTHER HISTORIC HOUSES ON 10TH STREET. NO, WE EXPECT USE THE SAME FOOD AND ARTIFICIAL HARDEE BOARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DON'T EXPECT TO BE ANY DELAY IN THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT WE WILL LET THEM KNOW THAT INSTEAD OF THE PREPACKAGED TILE THAT COMES, WE WILL HAVE METAL ROOF WE ARE TRYING TO GET AS HISTORIC LOOKING FROM OUR OTHER TWO BLOCKS AND TAKE A PAUSE THERE. THEY ARE DOING A FABULOUS JOB. AND ACCORDINGLY I AM ASKING FOR A FEW MORE DAYS OR MONTHS TO GET THE FOUNDATION DOWN AND THEREAFTER, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM GETTING IT TOGETHER. I HAVE BEEN INFORMED FROM THE CITY OF THIS -- OF OUR STATUS THAT WE CONTINUE TO BE COMMITTED. WE CONTINUE TO HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT. AND WE ARE FULL STEAM AHEAD ON IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. QUESTIONS OF THIS GENTLEMAN. DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC TIME THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING? >> NOVEMBER 16, 2024. >> NOVEMBER 16 OF 2024. >> YES. [01:55:03] >> OKAY, SO -- TWO MONTHS. TWO OR THREE MONTHS. OKAY. >> JUST BECAUSE -- JUST BECAUSE THE APPLICANT LOOKED SHOCKED WHEN HE HEARD NOVEMBER DATE. IS THAT -- IS THAT A GOOD DATE? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT -- >> THAT IS A GREAT DATE. LIKE I SAID, I HAVE A SURVEY OUT TOMORROW. AND THE CONTRACTOR SAID -- >> WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. >> OFFICIALLY STAKES IT OUT. THE SURVEY HAS BEEN DONE. PAID FOR AND COMMITTED IN CONTRACT. HE IS JUST GOING TO SHOW UP AND DO THAT. >> ANY OTHER, YES, SIR? >> I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR TENACITY IN SEEING THIS THROUGH. IT. IT IS A COMPLICATED PROCESS. A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING YOUR CONSTRUCTION. I AM CURIOUS OF ZIPPING THESE PIECES TOGETHER. MY OFFICE IS RIGHT UP THE STREET AND I WILL DRIVE BY ON OCCASION TO SEE WHAT YOU HAVE GOT GOING ON. >> I WILL ECHO THAT. AND YOU TRYING TO MATCH WHAT IS GOING ON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF HOUSES ON THAT 10TH STREET AREA BUILT, REFABRICATED AND JUST REALLY -- THAT WHOLE DECOR OF COMING INTO THAT AREA THERE IS REALLY CHANGING. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THAT. AND ATTEMPTING TO MATCH THAT WITH -- SOUNDS LIKE SOME TYPE OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE IN OUR COMMUNITY, RIGHT. >> THE HOUSE THERE IS ARE OVER 100 YEARS OLD. THE HOUSE IS OVER 100 YEARS OLD. DECLARED HISTORIC AND WHINING THE DESIGN WITH THE STEEL HOMES VERNACULAR AND ASKING FOR THAT. A HARDIE BOARD THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT. IT IS FABRICATED. >> THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. IS THERE A MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. [b. Resolution 24-R50 appointing an at-large position on the FPUA Board.] >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> AND NEXT A 13B, RESOLUTION APPOINTING AT-LARGE POSITION OF THE FPUA BOARD AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I THINK YOU WILL SEE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS WERE ATTACH TO THIS AGENDA. CHRISSY GIBBONS IS THE EXISTING MEMBER SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT. AS WE DO WITH BOARD AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS. WE DO AN E-MAIL OUT TO EVERYONE SOLICITING APPLICATIONS SO YOU ALL HAULS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, YOU KNOW, TO LOOK AT ALL APPLICANTS THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE POSITION. >> I WILL JUST NOTE THAT CHRISTINA GIBBON IS ON A COMMITTEE OF THE FMPA, THE POLICY COMMITTEE. SHE IS VERY INVOLVED AND WORKS VERY HARD. >> MR. GAINES SHOWS CHRIS GENE THAT GIBBONS. MR. J. JOHNSON, CHRISTINA GIBB GIBBONS. COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON, MICHELLE CLEMENS. >> MOTION FOR CHRIS EVEN IF THAT GIBBONS. >> BE. >> MOTION. >> SECOND [14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.] >> NEXT IS ITEM 13-C WAS MOVED TO TOMORROW. NEXT WILL BE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. >> THIS IS THE TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU WILL GIVE -- HOW MANY SECONDS OF WARNING. >> SPA 10-SECOND WARNING. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. WHO WILL LIKE TO GO FIRST. >> RESIDENT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I APPEAL TO YOU TONIGHT AS A RESULT OF, AGAIN GUNSHOTS GOING OFF IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. REPETITIVELY OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AT 4:52 A.M. BEEN SUNDAY MORNING SUNDAY MORNING [02:00:02] AS MY OLD MAN REFERS TO. [KNOCKING] THREE MINUTES LATER. THIS THIS IS HAPPENING OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN HOW IS IT THAT YOU ARE GOING TO CHANGE THIS IF YOU CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET A DIFFERENT RESULT. I CALLED 911, THE DISPATCHER ANSWERED THE PHONE. SIR, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM. MA'AM, GUNSHOTS ARE GOING OFF IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE KNOW. WE ARE GETTING SEVERAL CALLS. CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT TYPE OF WEAPON IT WAS? HOW FAR WAS IT. THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BY SHOT SPOTTER I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY THIS. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THE SHOOTINGS AND IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN OUR CITY EVENTUALLY IT IS GOING TO CROSS OVER THE RIVER. AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOUNG PEOPLE NOW ARE STARTING TO COME OVER AT THE JETTY. AS I SEE OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER SIDE I SEE SIX OFFICERS IN AN AREA WHERE THE YOUNG PEOPLE EXPECTING FOR SOMETHING TO GO OFF HOWEVER IN THE HOT SPOTS WHERE THE YOUNG PEOPLE ARE HANGING OUT, THERE IS NOTHING SO I AM PEGGING YOU, COMMISSIONERS, J. JOHNSON. YOU ARE YOUR WAY OUT THE DOOR. I HEARD YOU AND SEEN YOU VOTE HERE LATELY. I AM TRYING TO APPEAL TO YOU BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT MY COMMISSIONERS. HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING SUGGESTED OR PROPOSED OF THESE SHOOTINGS PLEASE DO SOMETHING AND ORCHESTRATE SOME KIND OF MOVEMENT TO STOP THESE SHOOTINGS BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO STOP IF WE JUST SIT HERE STATUS QUO AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT AND AT LEAST NOW I KNOW THAT THE AUTHORITIES ARE INVOLVED BECAUSE THE YOUNG LADY AT THE DISPATCH SAID, SIR, SEVERAL PEOPLE CALLING THERE IS A PROBLEM. WE ARE GOING TO SEND SOMEONE OUT THERE BUT WHAT THE SHOT SPOTTER DOES -- I TRY TO PROPOSE THAT YEARS AGO. MAYBE YOU WILL CONSIDER THAT. IT WILL ANSWER THE TWO QUESTIONS, WHAT TYPE OF WEAPON IT WAS. AND WHERE IT IS LOCATED THAT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH RAD FIGHT CITE. WE ARE SITTING HERE DOING NOTHING. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT TO YOU, MADAM MAYOR. DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS SO I CAN SAY, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, MA'AM. PLEASE DO SOMETHING. >> WHO IS NEXT. WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NEXT? SEEING NO MOVEMENT, I WILL CLOSE [15. COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER] THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL COME BACK TO THE AGENDA. >> NEXT IS COMMENTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER. >> MISSCOX. >> YES, MA'AM, I WANT TO START OFF BY EXTENDING A VERY SPECIAL THANK YOU TO OUR UNION NEGOTIATING TEAM. I THINK BOTH SIDES WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD THEY WORKED TOGETHER AND CAME UP WITH THE SOLUTION THAT EVERYBODY WAS OKAY WITH. I WOULDN'T SAY EVERYBODY WAS -- BOTH SIDES WEREN'T HAPPY. BUT THEY CAME TO AN AGREEMENT AND ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT THIS, I THINK, IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE ANY OF US HERE THAT THEY HAVE ACTUALLY GOT AN AGREEMENT BEFORE THE EXISTING AGREEMENT EXPIRED. I KNOW THE TEAM IS VERY PROUD OF THAT AND VERY PROUD OF THE HARD WORK THAT THEY DID TO GET THAT AGREEMENT. I WANTED TO SAY KUDOS TO THEM. I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. AS YOU ALL ARE AWARE, WE LAUNCHED A NEW ENTERPRISE PERMITTING AND LICENSING SOFTWARE THAT HAS BEEN AN ENORMOUS CHALLENGE FOUR OUR RESIDENTS, OUR BUSINESS OWNERS AND OUR CONTRACTORS NOT EVERYBODY IS COMPUTER LITERATE AS THOSE WHO WORK WITH COMPUTERS ALL DAY AND JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE WE SENT OUT 7,000 NOTICES TO OUR COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS NEW SYSTEM AND THEIR NEED TO RENEW, SO WE HAVE BEEN VERY CHALLENGED WITH, YOU KNOW, GETTING EVERYBODY THROUGH THE PROCESS, ANSWERING ALL THE PHONES, AND HELPING THEM. EACH PHONE CALL TAKES ABOUT 45 MINUTES THAT WE ARE WORKING THEM THROUGH. SO WE ARE WORKING ON AN APPOINTMENT SYSTEM OR AUTHORIZING OVERTIME, BUT JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW, IT IS NOT OUR TYPICAL PRACTICE THAT WE DON'T ANSWER EVERY PHONE CALL [02:05:03] THAT YOU COMES TO OUR OFFICE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS THE SITUATION THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN, BECAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE AT THE COUNTER AND PEOPLE ON THE PHONE. JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT WE ARE WORKING HARD .WE ARE CREATING AN APPOINTMENT SYSTEM. HOPEFULLY THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. >> ISN'T IT A TWO-FOLD -- A NEW I.T. PROGRAM, PLUS A NEW -- >> WE GAVE THEM A DOUBLE WHAMMY. >> A DOUBLE WHAMMY. >> LICENSING. AND ELIMINATED BUSINESS TAX RIGHT AND MOVED TO THE CERTIFICATE OF USE PROGRAM. FUNDAMENTALS OF IT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME, BUT IT IS NEW. ANY TIME THERE IS ANYTHING NEW AND YOU HAVE TO UPLOAD DOCUMENTS, IT CAUSES YOU PAUSE. >> I HAVE BEEN IN AND OUT OF THE OFFICE SO I HAVE SEEN IT, THE STRUGGLE. >> ALSO I WANTED TO -- I WANTED TO DISCUSS -- WE HAVE HAD SOME SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH OUR GARBAGE SOLID WASTE PICKUP LATELY. WE ARE -- I KNOW ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN GETTING LOTS OF PHONE CALLS. WE HAVE BEEN GETTING LOTS OF PHONE CALLS. I DO BELIEVE WE HAVE WITH US TONIGHT OUR INTERIM PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW SOME OF WHAT IS GOING ON, WE HAVE -- WE HAVE TWO OF OUR TRUCKS THAT WERE OUT OF SERVICE. SO THEY HAVE BEEN REPAIRED. AND THEY ARE BACK ON THE STREET. WE ARE EXTENDING OUR PICK-UP HOURS SO 5:00, THE GARBAGE TRUCK HAVEN'T COME BY YOUR HOUSE YET. DON'T PICK UP YOUR BIN. LEAVE IT THERE. THEY MAY COME. WORKING EXTRA SHIFTS ON THE WEEKEND TO MAKE SURE WE CAN GET ALL THE TRASH PICKED UP. WE JUST HIRED A NEW SOLID WASTE MANAGER. HE JUST STARTED LAST MONDAY AND I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT HIS LAST WEEK WAS LIKE. THAT IS ALL I DID LAST WEEK IS FIELD PHONE CALLS AND ENCOURAGE YOU AND AND THE PUBLIC, IF YOUR TRASH IS NOT PICKED UP, REACH OUT AND CALL US AND WE WILL DISPATCH A TEAM. A LOT OF THINGS CONTINUING ON IN THE BACKGROUND THAT WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE REALTIME DATA LOOKING HOW WE TRACK ALL OF THIS. UNTIL WE GET THIS ALL IMPLEMENTED. YOUR CALLS MEAN A LOT TO US. IF YOUR TRASH HAVEN'T BEEN PICKED UP OR RECYCLING IS NOT PICKED UP, CALL US AND LET US KNOW. >> AFTER HOURS OR SOMETIMES DURING HOURS WHEN THEY ARE BUSY. A WAY TO LEAVE A MESSAGE FOR THE PUBLIC CAN THEY LEAVE THE MESSAGE? >> SHOULD BE. IF YOU CALL SOLID WASTE AND CALL 467-3018. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. BECAUSE IF -- WITH WE HAVE PROBLEMS OUT THERE, I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT BECAUSE I WANT TO SEE WHERE IS THIS HAPPENING AND WHAT ARE OUR PATTERNS AND MAKE SURE OUR TEAM IS ADDRESSING IT PROPERLY. I THINK ALL I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING. >> MISS WELLS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? [16. COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION] >> MISS HEDGES? >> NO, MA'AM. >> COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> WHO WOULD LIKE TO START? >> ALL RIGHT, CURTIS. >> I WILL START, MADAM MAYOR. FIRST I WANT TO -- FOR THE ACTING CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF CALLS. FIRST I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO PUBLIC WORKS. I SEE CREATIVITY IN PICKING UP RECYCLE BINS. THE LOADER TRUCK THAT PICKED UP THE BIN. I ACTUALLY SAW THROUGH A CREW OF THREE OPERATING THE OLD MANUAL TRASH COLLECTION. IT WAS LITERALLY DUMPING T THE BINS IN THE TRUCK TO PICK UP THOSE EFFORTS. THIS WAS THROUGHOUT A NUMBER OF NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE LINCOLN PARK AREA. I THINK IN THE FUTURE, WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF THIS. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE MADE AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON DOWN THERE. FIRST THING WE HAVE CALLS ABOUT PARTICULARLY IN THAT AREA IS ABOUT TRASH AND PICKUP OF TRASH. IT HAS BEEN MISSED FOR A NUMBER OF WEEKS. I HAVE ASKED FOR A MEETING WITH YOU AND STAFF TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING A NEW SANITATION DIRECTOR I AM ASSUMING. MANAGER -- SORRY, MANAGER. LOOKING FORWARD TO MEETING HIM. AND I WANT TO REALLY DELVE INTO UNDERSTANDING HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT ROUTES ARE BEING RUN AND PICKED UP. I DON'T KNOW IF OUR TECHNOLOGY TELLS US THAT, BUT I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT. BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, BUT SOMETIMES THAT ROUTES HAVE BEEN MISSED AND I NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS IT A PERSONNEL ISSUE? IS IT AN ISSUE WITH TRUCKS BEING DOWN? WHAT IS IT? I NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE ARE EFFICIENT IN THAT OPERATION. BUT I ALSO WANT TO THANK THEM FOR WHAT I KNOW I WATCHED THEM LITERALLY TO DO MAKE SURE STUFF WAS ADDRESSED SO THAT IS BOTH AN APPRECIATION AND UNDERSTANDING. THE OTHER THING, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE NUMBER OF [02:10:03] EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THIS COMMISSION WHEN IT COMES TO CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. I CAN SIT HERE AND SAY WITHOUT DOUBT THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS SUPPORTED ALL OF THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORTH TO US BY LAW ENFORCEMENT. PARTICULARLY OUR CHIEF OF POLICE. CHIEF BERNIE WHEN IT COMES TO UNDERSTANDING THE INVESTMENT IN TECHNOLOGY ALONE WHEN IT COMES TO, NOT ONLY GUNFIRE BUT THE SURVEILLANCE OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND SO I -- I THINK THAT IT IS ALSO TIME THAT WE KIND OF GET A REMINDER OF THAT. WHAT THAT IS. SOME THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT AND SOME THINGS WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT I CAN ASSURE THE CITIZENS OF WHICH I LIVE IN AS WELL THAT INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE HAPPY TO HEAR THE UNION HAS AGREED AND AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE AND WE ARE RESPONSIVE NOT ONLY TO OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT BUT MAKING SURE THEY HAVE THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT AND HAVE THE RIGHT TECHNOLOGY THAT PROTECTS THEM BUT PROTECTS OUR CITIZENS WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS THAT HAPPENED I HEARD IT AS WELL, COMMISSIONERS. AND SO IT TROUBLES ME TO KNOW THAT THERE ARE CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO THINK WHATEVER MEANS THAT IT IS OKAY TO LAUNCH MISSILES OF THAT TYPE OF VELOCITY AND ACCELERATION AT AT THIS TIME OF MORNING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AIM WAS. I DID NOT GET A NOTIFICATION AS IF NO ONE WAS HIT, ETC. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT I AM HAPPY TO HEAR AND I LOOK FOR A REPORT FROM MY CHIEF WHAT REPORTS CAME IN TO 9/11, BUT I WANT TO ASURETY CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE BY IN COMMISSION TO MAKE SURE THAT INVESTMENT IN TECHNOLOGY HAS BEEN MADE TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FROM ALL ASPECTS OF IT. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WE ARE RIGHT NOW AT A CRITICAL POINT IN OUR CITY. THERE IS ONE-HALF THAT IS REALLY MOVING THIS THING FORWARD TO REALLY SAY HOW DO WE ATTRACT THINGS THAT ARE BRINGING INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. AN INVESTMENT THAT MEANS JOBS. INVESTMENT THAT MEANS RECREATIONAL TOURISM. AND THE CITIZENS. BE REALLY NEED YOUR SUPPORT TO CONTINUE THAT. BECAUSE THE THING THAT I AM HEARING FROM BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT PEOPLE AND PEOPLE WHO WILL INVEST HERE IS THEY ARE NOT SAFE WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN ASSURE BUT THIS HAS TO BE A CITIZEN SUPPORTED EFFORT AS WELL. SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY SOMETHING. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO HELP. HAS GOT TO POINT NEWS A DIRECTION. AS GOOD AS OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE, AS GOOD AS OUR SURVEILLANCE IS, NO ONE RIDING AROUND IN THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT CAR HAS A CRYSTAL BALL WHAT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, WHEN IT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN, AND WHO IS GOING TO DO IT AS GOOD AS THEY ARE, UNLESS OF INFORMATION IS SHARED WITH THEM THAT IS TRUSTED THAT I KNOW THAT THE CHIEF IS DOING BY BUILDING THAT COMMUNITY EFFORT. YOU HAVE COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU CAN TRUST. WE NEED TO PARTNER TOGETHER TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. BECAUSE THE INVESTMENT YOU WANT TO SEE IN THIS CITY. BRIGHTLINE. WE WILL GET BRIGHTLINE. I THINK WILL PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY. WE NEED THE CITIZENS AND THE COMMUNITY TO WORK WITH US ON THIS. JUST AS CONCERNED AS ANY CITIZEN WHEN I HEAR THAT KIND OF GUNFIRE THAT TIME OF MORNING. THANK GOD I DID NOT GET A TEXT THAT SOMEONE HAD BEEN TATELELY KILLED. THERE WERE A LOT OF BULLETS. SO MADAM ACTING CITY MANAGER, HE WOULD LOVE FOR THE POLICE CHIEF TO COME AND PROVIDE SUMMATION OF THE NUMBER OF TECHNOLOGIES WE ARE INVESTED IN TO ASSURE THE PUBLIC WHAT WE ARE DOING OF THE POLICE STANDARDS IN PLACE. I AM CALLING FOR THAT, MADAM MAYOR, IF THAT'S OKAY. >> GOOD IDEA. WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NECK. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THE CITY MANAGER'S COMMENTS RELATIVE TO THE NEXT TEAMS FROM THE UNION AND THE CITY, TO BRING [02:15:06] THOSE DISCUSSION SS TO A SUCCESSFUL CLOSE. I UNDERSTAND WE ARE WAITING FOR THE UNION TO RATIFY THAT THROUGH THEIR UNION VOTE. THEY HAVE? OKAY, SO NOT UP TO US TO JUST SIGN OFF ON THAT. THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE BEST WAY TO PUT IT, BUT I WILL PUT IT, AGAIN, BLUNTLY. SOMETIMES THE BEST NEGOTIATIONS ARE WHEN EVERYBODY WALKS AWAY FROM THE TABLE UNHAPPY. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING IS DOING A DANCE IN THE STREET WITH THE OUTCOME OF THIS. BUT I DO BELIEVE THERE IS A LEVEL OF SATISFACTION THAT IT IS OKAY. AND DEAL WAS TRUCK. AND I TALKED TO A LOT OF OFFICERS. AND HAD A VARIETY OF FEEDBACK ON A SCALE FROM ONE TO TEN CANDIDLY AND IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND WE CAN NOW MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ISSUE BEHIND US. RELATIVE TO THE COMMENTARY, COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON JUST MADE, I AM COMING UP ON MY TWO-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF SITTING ON THIS COMMISSION. NOT ONE TIME THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS VOTED DOWN A REQUEST FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR AUTHORIZATION TO ACQUIRE ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY, CAMERAS, OTHER TECHNOLOGY TO IDENTIFY WHERE SHOTS ARE BEING GENERATED FROM, ETC. AND I THINK THERE IS A LEVEL OF PRIDE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE IN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE COOPERATED COMPLETELY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATION TO ROLL OUT WHATEVER PROGRAM THEY HAVE REQUESTED. WE HAVE SIGNED TO OFF ON AND FINDS THE MONEY TO GET IT DONE. SO I AM -- I AM PROUD OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE INITIATIVES AND PROBABLY WILL CONTINUE TO BE SUPPORT THOSE INITIATIVES AS A GROUP UP HERE MOVING FORWARD. >> THIRDLY, ON THE TRASH ISSUE, I HAVE OBSERVED THE SAME THING. THAT YOU REPORTED ON. THAT IS DEDICATION. THAT IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE WORK WHEN YOU GOT MANPOWER, SUBSTITUTING FOR MACHINE ACTIVITY. THAT IS A LONG DAY. AND SO I AM -- I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PUBLIC WORKS GUYS AND THE SOUTHWEST DIVISIONS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO SOLVE THIS AND TO GET OUR VEHICLES BACK ONLINE. AND SO THAT IS A YEOMAN'S TASK. AND I AM APPRECIATIVE OF THE EFFORTS THEY PUT IN. SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES. I THINK THAT -- THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO COMMENT ON, WITH COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON'S COMMENTS. A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS HAPPENING IN THE CITY. A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS WITH THE KING'S LANDING PROJECT AND BRIGHTLINE. ALL KIND OF THINGS GOING ON. DISCUSSION POINTS IS CONSTANT. YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, WITH CAN HE TALK TO YOU ABOUT BRIGHTLINE. GOING ON EVERYWHERE. THE EXCITEMENT LEVEL IS BUSTING ON THE CITY ON THESE POTENTIAL PROJECTS COMING TO FRUITION. WE NEED WINS AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME WINS ON THE MERE RADAR SCREEN RIGHT NOW. IF WE WORK HARD DILIGENTLY AND COMMIT OURSELVES TO IT, WE WILL GET THESE THINGS DONE. I FEEL IT IN MY GUT. IT IS TIME FOR SOLID WINS FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THEY ARE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER AND I WILL STOP THERE. >> GOOD JOB. COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, I WANT TO START WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS. BECAUSE, COMMISSIONERS, I -- ALSO I ALSO SAW THEM GETTING OUT OF THE TRUCKS AND DUMPING STUFF THE OLD-FASHIONED WAY. AND IT IS ONE THING TO GET UP HERE AND TELL THEM GOOD JOB. ANOTHER THING TO GET UP HERE AND PAT THEM ON THE BACK. BUT I KNOW -- LIKE I SAID, IT IS GOING TO BE HARD. BUT WE HAVE TO FIND SOME KIND OF WAY. TO SHOW OUR APPRECIATION IN THEIR PAYCHECKS. JUST -- WE JUST GOT TO DO IT. YES, LAW ENFORCEMENT IS IMPORTANT TO A CITY. BUT ANY TIME YOU DRIVE INTO A CITY, WE ALL THINK OF ANOTHER CITY. AND NOT JUST FORT PIERCE AND YOU DRIVE INTO THE CITY, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT YOU SEE OR DON'T SEE IS TRASH. AND IF IT IS CLEAN, IT IS BECAUSE OF PUBLIC WORKS. SO I AM JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. THAT THEY LOVE HEARING GOOD JOB FROM US. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT IS TIME TO TURN AROUND NEXT YEAR, LET'S REMEMBER THESE TIMES THAT THEY WORKED HARD. TO MISS COX AND PUBLIC WORKS. IF YOU CAN -- OR IF WE CAN -- IF WE KNOW SOMETHING IS DOWN OR WE KNOW A TRUCK IS DOWN, OR WE KNOW EXTRA HOURS ARE BEING -- IF WE [02:20:03] CAN GET THAT OUT TO THE PUBLIC ASAP. I THINK A LOT OF THE CALL ALSO STOP TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE ARE COMING, BE PATIENT. WE ARE COMING. OR IF IT CAN'T GET TO THE -- IF IT CAN'T GET TO THE -- THE PUBLIC IS FAST, IF IT GETS TO THE COMMISSIONERS' E-MAIL. THE COMMISSIONERS CAN START CALLING PEOPLE. CALLING CHURCHES. CALLING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO START SPREADING THE WORD THAT WE ARE NOT BEING NEGOTIATED. THIS THEY ARE COMING. BE PATIENT. SO IT IS JUST GETTING THE WORD OUT. SO THAT IS WHAT I SAY ON THAT. AS FAR AS I WAS SITTING HERE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE POLICE. AND I REMEMBER THAT PRESENTATION ABOUT THE CAMERAS, ABOUT SHOT SPOTTER. ABOUT ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT THE POLICE ASKED FOR. AND WE APPROVED IT. WE -- WE -- WE VOTED TO APPROVE IT. SO I -- I AM CURIOUS TO SEE WHERE THAT IS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS -- IF IT IS -- IF IT IS -- IF IT IS ON THE TANKER ON THE GULF. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. I KNOW WE DID VOTE. I KNOW WE DID VOTE ON THAT. SO THAT HAS BEEN DONE. NOW I WILL SAY THIS TO THE -- -- TO THE RESIDENT AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I -- I THINK IT WAS CLOSE -- CLOSER TO MY AREA WHERE I HEARD ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW -- AND IT DID HAPPEN. 4:00, 5:00 IN THE MORNING. IT DID HAPPEN. ME BEING ME -- MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE SMARTEST MOVE. ME BEING ME, I WENT OUT TRYING TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON. THE NEXT MORNING DURING MY WALK -- I WILL BE HONEST, I KNOW -- I HAD TALKS FROM THE DEPUTY CHEAP AND EVERYBODY TO SAY, BUT I GREW UP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I FEEL SEEP IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I WALK THERE EVERY MORNING. SO DURING MY NEXT WALK, I ASKED THEM -- I ASKED SEVERAL PEOPLE, HEY, MAN, WHAT WAS THAT LAST NIGHT. THEY SAID COMMISH, YOU HEARD IT TOO. THIS IS THE PROBLEM I AM HAVING. IF YOU ASK THE NEXT QUESTION, DID YOU HEAR IT OR WHAT WAS IT? EVERYBODY GOES -- DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY. SO THAT -- THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO CHANGE IN MY COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THE ONES WHO ARE -- WHO HAVE THAT -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ROCKETS. I -- I DON'T KNOW. IT WAS JUST SOME -- TESTING SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. BUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE THAT. NOBODY UP HERE AND NOBODY BE IN THIS -- IN THIS AREA ARE GOING TO GET THEM TO STOP SHOOTING. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RELY ON SOME PARENTS, SOME UNCLES, SOME GRANDMA MA, SOME TEACHES. SEE SOME COACHES WALKING IN. SOME COACHES. CAN'T PUT EVERYTHING ON THE PASTORS. PASTORS HAVE CARRIED THE CITY FOREVER. THEY CAN PREACH -- YOU KNOW UNTIL THEY LOSE THEIR VOICE AND NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT AND PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF AND PEOPLE THAT -- THAT COACH -- THAT TAKE OFF THESE CITY COMMISSIONERS, THAT TAKE OFF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, YOU KNOW, SHIRTS, AND BE COACH THESE KIDS. AND WE START TALKING TO THESE KIDS, WHATEVER, BECAUSE MOST OF THE COACHES -- AND LIKE I SAID, SEE SOMETHING IN THE ROOM. MOST OF THE COACHES. WE GET KNEES KIDS, FOUR, FIVE -- TEE BALL STARTS AT FOUR. AND THE IN FOOTBALL MAY BE SIX? DON'T QUOTE ME ON THAT. WE HAVE GONE A LONG WAY AND COACHES IN HERE THAT HAVE THE AILITY THAT CAN SAY STUFF ON A FIELD THAT CAN CHANGE A KID'S LIFE. IT TAKES A -- IT IS GOING TO TAKE A VILLAGE. AND I SAY THAT ALL THE TIME. I WISH -- DSH AND I DON'T KNOW CONDITION WHERE IF CHANGED. I WISH WE COULD GO BACK TO THE DAY WHEN IF -- AND I SEE PASTOR PINKER IN -- AND IF I WAS WALKING DOWN THE STREET, AND I WALKED IN FRONT OF PASTOR PINKY'S CHURCH OR HER HOUSE OR HER PARKING A CAR OR HERT THE RED LIGHT, AND SHE HEARD ME SAY SOMETHING SHE HEARD ME DO SOMETHING OR THOUGHT I WAS WITH SOMEBODY I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE WITH. SHE COULD PULL HER CAR OVER. AND ASK ME TO COME HERE KNOWING THAT I WOULD LOOK AT HER AND -- AND GIVE HER NO ATTITUDE BECAUSE [02:25:05] IT DIDN'T HAPPEN BACK THEN. AD SHE COULD CORRECT ME RIGHT THEN, RIGHT THERE, AND NOT WORRY ABOUT ANOTHER PARENT OR MY MOM AND DAD CALLING HER ASKING HER WHY SHE DID THAT. WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THAT. IF YOUR KID IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG, LET SOMEBODY TELL THEM THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. AND YOU NEED TO CONFIRM THAT THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. AND IF THEY HEAR THAT ONE OR TWO TIMES, IT STARTS TO HAPPEN. AND THAT'S WHY I AM SO HARD -- FYI -- ASKING HELP FROM COACHES BECAUSE COACHES CAN DO THAT. THEY SEE ME, THEY STOP. OH, THAT IS COACH GAINES GAINES. THEY SEE ME THEY STOP. TO FINISH THE STORY WITH THE PASTOR. HAD THAT HAPPENED TO ME, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN BEGGING PASTOR, OKAY, YOU GOT ME, I AM SORRY. PLEASE DON'T CALL MY MOM AND DAD. PLEASE DON'T CALL MY MOM AND DADDY. I WILL BE BETTER AND COME WHATEVER I NEED TO DO FOR YOU NOT TO CALL MY MOM AND DADDY BECAUSE I KNOW IF I GO HOME, WE WILL HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT ISSUE. I AM TRYING TO PUT THEIR BUSINESS OUT THERE, MADAM MAYOR, BUT IT WOULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION. SO -- SO THAT IS -- THAT IS WHAT MY GOAL IS. THERE ARE A LOT -- THERE ARE A LOT OF SCARED PEOPLE IN FORT PIERCE THAT WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THEY REALLY DO. THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. SO WE HAVE TO SHOW THEM THAT WE ARE -- WE ARE HERE FOR THEM. WE ARE FIGHTING FOR THEM AND ANY TIME WE HAVE SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT FORT PIERCE TO THE GRIMACE I GET FROM CITY MANAGER AND THE GRIMACE FROM CITY ATTORNEY. I DRY AND TO ME COLLEAGUES. I REALLY TRY NOT TO ANSWER. WHEN I HEAR SOMETHING NEGATIVE OF FORT PIERCE, I JUST CAN'T LET IT GO. WORKING ON IT, GUYS. YOU SEE A TEXT REMEMBER QUOTE, I AM WORKING ON IT AND I AM TRYING, BUT I LOVE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE RESIDENTS IN FORT PIERCE BEFORE I WAS BORN AND THERE WHEN I WAS RAISING UP. HAD AN INFLUENCE ON ME. MADE ME WHO I AM TODAY AND WE NEED TO DO THAT THROUGH THE NEXT GENERATION. AND GENERATION WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO AND CARE ABOUT THEM. ONE QUICK THING. WE HAVE A GREAT AMERICAN CLEANUP. >> A QUARTERLY CLEANUP ON SEPTEMBER 28. >> QUART HERELY CLEAN UP ON SEPTEMBER 28. IS IT ONLINE AGAIN THAT -- BECAUSE I HAVE SOME COMPLAINTS, AND SHE IS NOT HERE. I HAD SOME QUESTIONS THAT SOME -- SOME GROUPS HAVE TRIED TO REGISTER. AND THEY CAN'T. AND I AM TRYING TO PUSH IT AS THE 28TH EVEN THOUGH QUARTERLY. I AM TRYING TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE THEN -- THEN NATIONAL CLEANUP DA BECAUSE I WANT TO PUT SOME CHALLENGES OUT THERE TO PEOPLE. I WAS GOING TO PUT IT THIS MORNING. PUT IT OUT THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE ELDERLY. AND WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T WANT TO DO IT. RIGHT. BUT ALL I AM ASKING ON THE 28TH NO CARE IF YOU RENT OR OWN OR WHATEVER. WALK TO THE RIGHT. IF YOU SEE SOME TRASH, PICK IT UP. IF YOU SEE SOME TRASH TO THE RIGHT, PICK IT UP. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A SELFIE. SEND IT TO ME AND I WILL ADD IT TO MY CLEANUP LIST. TO THE CHURCHES, SAME THING. TO THE BUSINESSES. SAME THING. TO ORGANIZATIONS, WE DO SO MUCH. PICK A ROAD, PICK A STREET THAT SATURDAY. AND JUST CLEAN UP. BECAUSE IF YOU DO THAT, NINE OUT OF TEN TIMES, IF YOUR NEIGHBOR SEES YOU OUT THERE PICKING UP YOUR AREA, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO WANT THE FRONT OF THEIR HOUSE LOOKING BAD. NOW DO NOT KICK THE TRASH TOWARD THE NEIGHBORS. DON'T DO THAT. PICK IT UP AND PUT IT IN THE GARBAGE, BECAUSE THE CITY WILL -- IF YOU CALL OR SIGN UP, CITY WILL PROVIDE A BAG FOR YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBORS TO PROVE. PUBLIC WORKS. THEY ARE GOING TO PICK IT UP. THAT IS WHAT IMI AM ASKING. I WANT THE 28TH TO BE A BIG DAY BECAUSE I AM TIRED OF HEARING [02:30:05] ABOUT THE FORT PIERCE. CAN WE GET OUT AND DO IT AND IF YOU KNOW YOU LIVE BY AN ELDERLY PERSON WHO CAN'T DO IT, YOU KNOW, WALK THERE. WALK ACROSS THE STREET AND PICK UP THEIR TRASH. MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER J. JOHNSON. >> YOU ARE RIGHT ON. A WHOLE BUNCH OF WHAT YOU SAID AND I APPRECIATE YOUR WORDS. TALKING OF FAMILY. HOLDING ACCOUNTABLE. UP YOUNG FOLKS. WE ARE TEACHABLE NO MATTER WHAT AGE. MEDIA WHEN PIGEONHOLE DIFFERENT GROUPS. I WANT TO SAY THANKS TO PUBLIC WORKS, I DEFINITELY DID SEE IT LOGICAL. I KNOW IT IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE EFF EFFORTS. SOLID WASTE MANAGER HOVRS WHOMEVER IT MAY BE TO GET IT DONE PUTTING IN THE LONG HOURS WITH HANDS-ON WORK EFFORTS. IT IS NOTICED. AND, YOU KNOW, WE APPRECIATE EVERY SINGLE MOMENT THAT YOU DEDICATE YOUR TIME FROM IN ASPECT AND THIS DAIS. WE WILL DEFINITELY DO THAT. I WANT TO SHARE ALSO THAT I TALKED TO A NUMBER OF FOLKS. THEY LOVE THE IDEA AND LOVE THE GREENWAY TRAIL. AND SOME CONVERSATIONS OF HOW. THE POINT OF THE CONVERSATION A POSITIVE EXPERIENCE. AND WHATEVER WE CAN TO DO FURTHER THAT EFFORT AND SAY HOW WE ARE ENGAGED ACROSS OUR CITY FROM POINT A TO POINT B THAT WE HAVE DESIGN PLANS THAT WE HAVE I IDEA. AND HAVE THE PUBLIC SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS. AND FOR US AND CONTINUE TO SHARE WITH THAT OPPORTUNITY, THAT IS GREAT ARE AND SHARE WITH ME WHAT IT MEANS AND WHAT I EXPERIENCE AS A RESIDENT. IMPORTANT NOTE FOR ME. TEN FOOT SIDEWALK AND YOU CAN RIDE YOUR BIKE AND PUT YOUR HEADPHONES ON AND ENJOY THE ENVIRONMENT. A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING. PEOPLE LIKE TO SHOW UP AND SHOWCASE THEIR GROUP. EVERY SINGLE TIME I DO IT. A NEW FACE AND A NEW PERSON AND NICE TO SAY, HEY. >> PEOPLE WITH THEIR SIGNS ON THE ROAD. GOT TO BE THERE ON THE 28TH. I FORGOT TO SAY THAT -- >> IT IS GOOD. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT ON TARGET. EXACTLY IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> IF YOU THINK OF IT, BRING IT. YOU. [02:35:03] I WANTED TO -- ON THE CLEANUP SEPTEMBER 28 AND ENCOURAGING THAT. ALSO WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE ROLLOUT OF THE AND CAMPAIGN TO REDUCE LITTER. WE WANT A CLEAN CITY AND WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT. VERY DEMORALIZING WHENEVER YOU ARE CRITICIZING. AND WOULD LIKE A GOOD SHOWING AND ENCOURAGE THAT TOMORROW. THANKS THE NEGOTIATING TEAM AND THE PEOPLE THAT HELPED -- BECAUSE THEY TOOK MONEY FROM OTHER BUDGET TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. AND I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE SIZE AS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND SOLID WASTE NEEDS THEIR EQUIPMENT LIKE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE ARE HEARING WHATEVER HAPPENS WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK. THIS IS ONE OF THE SERVICES THAT THE CITY PROVIDES THE -- -- THAT THE PEOPLE EXPECT TO HAPPEN. AND WHEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, WE HEAR ABOUT IT. AND TRYING TO KEEP THE CITY CLEAN AND WE ALL KNOW THAT IS A BIG CHALLENGE COMING FORWARD. I WANT TO MENTION THE SHOTS SPOTTER BECAUSE THAT WAS TECHNOLOGY THAT CAME IN ABOUT A DECADE AGO. AND SOME CITIES USE IT -- TRIED TO USE IT. VERY EXPENSIVE. ALMOST $1 MILLION TO GET IT. AND THEN SOMETHING LIKE 750,000 EVERY YEAR TO USE IT. AND IT WAS NOT. NOT ALL THAT ACCURATE. NOT ALL THAT HELPFUL. AND YOU USE THAT MONEY ON A TECHNOLOGY THAT DIDN'T WORK THAT WELL AND YOU DIDN'T ORDER PERSONNEL. AND SO NOW WHAT I HEAR IS -- IS THAT USUALLY TECHNOLOGY IMPROVES, BUT I AM NOT SURE THAT HAS. BECAUSE OF THE SOME OF THE CITIES THAT GOT THE SHOT SPOTTER GAVE IT UP BECAUSE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT WAS WORTH THE MONEY. MAYBE THAT TECHNOLOGY WILL GET BETTER IN THE FUTURE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. AND HIKE WE HAVE ALL SAID, WE HAVE INVESTED IN TECHNOLOGY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND IT JUST -- AND -- AND WE ARE USING AND ITS HELPFUL. SO ALSO I WANT TO SAY THAT COFFEE WITH THE MAYOR STARTS BACK ON FRIDAY. AND EVERYBODY IS WELCOME AND TALK OF THE GOOD NEWS AND GOOD THINGS HAPPENING IN FORT PIERCE. I AGREE WITH YOU. PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO ME ABOUT GOOD THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IN FORT PIERCE. NOT JUST BRIGHTLINE, BUT OTHER THINGS THEY SEE AS POSITIVES FOR FORT PIERCE. I THINK SOMETIMES WE FORGET ABOUT SOME OF THE GOOD THINGS BECAUSE WE ARE PREOCCUPIED WITH SOME OF THE THIS I THINK SO THAT WE ARE STRUGGLING WITH. AND SO, WITH THAT. UNLESS -- DID YOU THINK OF IT -- >> I IS IT. >> GO FOR IT. >> SO IT WAS ABOUT IMPROVEMENTS. AND SO THAT IS CONTAGIOUS. AND I WILL SHARE OTHER EXPERIENCES I GOT IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. WHEN I SAYS IT CONTAGIOUS, WE HAVE AGENCIES OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT ARE BURR SPECIFICALLY THE STATE AGENCY, THE, D.O.T. THE BRIDGE PROJECT. U.S. 1. WE HAVE OUR OWN RESURFACING TIMELINE AND LIST OF PROJECTS. WE HAVE OUR OWN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT -- THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND OR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ARE WORKING ON SPECIFICALLY REBUILDING ROADS. SO THEY HAVE SEEN AN INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO WHEN YOU -- WHEN FOLKS SEE THAT INVESTMENT, WHETHER THEY THINK IT IS FROM THE CITY OR MIGHT BE FROM THE STATE, IT IS CONTAGIOUS. INVESTMENT HAPPENING. AND FOLKS SEE THAT. AND THEY -- WE HAVE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. WHATEVER WE CAN DO. MARKETING, MARKETING 1501 ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER C. JOHNSON. ALL ABOUT MESSAGING AND WHEN I TALK TO FOLKS. IT IS LIKE, WOW, A LOT OF STUFF HAPPENING IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF HANG IN THE CITY THAT YOU DON'T SEE. WE SEE THOSE TANGIBLE ITEMS RIGHT NOW. AND I AM OKAY SITTING WITH THOSE ORANGE CONES SITTING DOWN U.S. 1. I AM ALL RIGHT WITH THAT ONE LANE BECAUSE I KNOW THERE IS SOMETHING TO BE HAD AT THE END [02:40:01] OF THE PROJECT AND A BEAUTIFUL ROADWAY AND ONE OF OUR RESURFACING PROJECTS. I WAS ON 8TH STREET, AVENUE B. THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PROJECTS THERE. YOU KNOW, ON THE LAST FEW YEARS. BUT SOMEONE HAD MENTIONED THOSE TO ME. AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, ALL RIGHT, HIGYOU -- >> THANK YOU FOR NOTICING. >> I WAS MORE EXCITED THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AND SHARE WITH YOU ALL THAT IT IS HAPPENING AND FOLKS ARE TALKING OF BEAUTIFUL LITTLE CITY BECAUSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE ARE READY TO ADJOURN. SO WE WILL BE LEAVING THE * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.