Jan 16, 2025 City Commission Special Meeting

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THURSDAY, JANUARY 16, 2025 AND THIS IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMMISSION. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>

[4. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON AGENDA ITEMS NOT REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS Any person who wishes to comment on an agenda item which is not under Public Hearings on the Agenda may be heard at this time and must sign up to speak in advance. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> THE FIRST ITEM, COMMENTS ON THE PUBLIC FOR ITEMS NOT

REQUIRING PUBLIC HEARINGS. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. 10 SECOND WARNING, PLEASE. RICK GREEN?

>> RICK GREEN. AS YOU KNOW, ENDEAVOR TO CHOOSE THE NEXT CITY MANAGER WHICH IS IMPORTANT CONSIDERING WHAT HAS HAPPENED WITH THE LAST ONE, WHICH IS NOT SURPRISING CONSIDERING HOW WE DO BUSINESS HERE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I CAME ACROSS SOMETHING THAT I FOUND INTERESTING. IT'S WELL KNOWN THAT ALTHOUGH YOU ALL TRY NOT TO -- I WROTE THIS. Y'ALL SIT UP THERE -- WELL, Y'ALL SIT UP THERE LIKE SECOND-RATE ACTORS TRYING TO RE-CREATE REALITY, AD-LIBBING THE SCENES, SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND MAKING IT SEEM LIKE YOU ARE SAYING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND YOU ARE QUITE INEPT AT DOING THAT. ONE OF THE CANDIDATES YOU ALL ARE PUSHING HARD IS THE CITY CLERK, LINDA COX. I LOOKED ONLINE TO SEE WHAT THE CITY CLERK'S RESPONSIBILITIES WERE. I KNEW MOST OF THEM BUT ONE IN PARTICULAR, SHE IS THE ADMINISTRATION OF A MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS ACCORDING TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE. SECTION CD 2 SAYS THE CLERK WILL REPRESENT CITY IN DEALING WITH ELECTION OFFICERS. CITY CLERK SHOULD BE THE OFFICIAL REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY AND ALL TRANSACTIONS SAME WITH THE MATTERS RELATING TO MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS. AND WE KNOW THAT SHE CAN QUALIFY OR DISQUALIFY A CANDIDATE. I HAVE SEEN HER DO IT. NOW WHEN YOU GO TO HER WEBPAGE OR HER FACEBOOK PAGE, THE FIRST THING SHE SAYS ON HER FACEBOOK PAGE IS SHE IS THE CITY CLERK OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I HAVE A RIGHT HERE. CITY CLERK OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE . ON THE SAME WEBPAGE, SHE -- ON HER PAGE, SHE PLACES POLITICAL ADS. HERE, SHE -- PLEASE HELP SHERITA JOHNSON GET ON THE BALLOT IF YOU ARE A ST. LUCIE COUNTY VOTER. PLEASE COMPLETE THE PETITION, LIKE, AND SURE. SHE LISTS THE QUALIFICATIONS . VOTE DAVIS ON AUGUST 18, 2020. HERE, SHE PUTS REELECT MAYOR LINDA HUDSON. WE NEED TO VOTE. FIVE CANDIDATES QUALIFIED TO CHALLENGE MAYOR HUDSON FOR REELECTION. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ARE INTERESTED -- I BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH, GOD KNOWS. LOOK AT THIS SIGN. WHEN YOU HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY AS CITY CLERK, YOU SHOULD NOT BE ADVOCATING. YOU SHOULD BE NEUTRAL. IF GERTRUDE WALKER DID THIS, THEY WOULD RUN HER OUT OF OFFICE, YET Y'ALL LET IT HAPPEN. YOU HAVE A CONFLICT , MAYOR BECAUSE

SHE DOES YOUR -- FOR YOU. >> CHRIS ?

>> I WAS HERE FOR 5A BUT IF THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT, I WILL BE HAPPY TO SURE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, COMMISSION. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU TODAY. I AM HERE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO AN IMPORTANT OVERSIGHT IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE CITY MANAGER POSITION. MY APPLICATION REFLECTS 16 YEARS AS ST. LUCIE COUNTY COMMISSIONER AND ENRICHED AS A RESIDENT OF FORT PIERCE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE MATERIALS PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSIONERS FOR REVIEW. AS PART OF THE BACKGROUND AT A

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OTHERS WERE CATEGORIZED IN THREE GROUPS. QUALIFIED APPLICANTS FOR COMPLETED QUESTIONNAIRE, QUALIFIED APPLICANTS WHO DID NOT COMPLETE QUESTIONNAIRE, AND APPLICANTS WHO DID NOT MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS. UPON REVIEWING THE MATERIALS I NOTICED MY APPLICATION WAS ABSENT FROM ALL THREE CATEGORIES. I COULD HAVE CONTACTED HR COMMITTEE ABOUT THE ISSUE. THERE WAS LIKELY AN OVERSIGHT IN THE PROCESS. FOR MY QUALIFICATIONS, I WISH TO EMPHASIZE KEY POINTS REGARDING MY QUALIFICATIONS THAT ALIGN CLOSELY WITH THE NEEDS OF THE CITY. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF FORT PIERCE FOR FOUR YEARS AND I'VE OWNED FIVE HOMES IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS WHICH PROVIDES ME A DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF OUR DIVERSE NEEDS. MY 16 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER EQUIPS ME WITH THE EXTENT OF KNOWLEDGE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT. THROUGHOUT OUR SHARED EXPERIENCES AND MANY HAVE SAID TOGETHER YOU HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN ONE OF THE LONGEST JOB INTERVIEWS I'VE EVER HAD FOR AT LEAST 8 TO 12 YEARS. I POSSESS A FORMAL MASTERS DEGREE. MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN EQUATED TO A MASSIVE DEGREE BY INSTITUTIONS FOR THE ROLL OF CITY MANAGER. I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS DOCUMENTATION THAT PROVIDES FOR THAT FOR YOU TO REVIEW. I REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THE COMMISSIONERS CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING. ACKNOWLEDGE THE OVERSIGHT REGARDING MY APPLICATION AND ENSURE INCLUSION IN THE REVIEW PROCESS. RECOGNIZE MY 25 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY, PARTICULARLY FIVE YEARS IN THE ASSOCIATION OF FLIGHT ATTENDANTS. THIS EQUIPS ME TO MANAGE EFFECTIVELY AND MANAGE NEGATIVE NARRATIVES AIMED AT THE CITY. PLEASE CONSIDER MY 16 YEARS FOR THE EDUCATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY MANAGER POSITION. BASED ON THE MERITS OF MY DEMONSTRATED 16 YEARS COMMITMENT TO THE SUCCESS OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY DISTRICT 1 WHICH CLEARLY INCLUDES THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. IN CONCLUSION I AM COMMITTED TO SERVING THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND BELIEVE MY EXPERIENCE AND DEDICATION TO PUBLIC SERVICE POSITION ME AS A STRONG CANDIDATE FOR THE JOB .

I APPRECIATE YOUR ATTENTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO

CONTRIBUTE TO THE CITY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. GUTIERREZ?

>> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR. GUS GUTIERREZ, 117 ORANGE AVENUE. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS I AM A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED AGAIN . I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS NOW TO EXPRESS MY DISAPPOINTMENT. I WAS APPALLED TO HEAR THE PROCESS OF THE APPLICATIONS BEING IGNORED AND IF IT WAS AN HONEST MISTAKE, IT IS MORE EVIDENT WE ARE HAVING TROUBLE EVEN DOING SEARCHES FOR THE JOB. WE ARE HAVING A LOT WORSE RESPONSES WITH ACTUALLY RUNNING THE CITY. WE NEED A PROPER CITY MANAGER. WE ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE A NATURAL SEARCH TO GET A QUALIFIED CANDIDATE FOR THIS POSITION. WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER THAT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION THAT WAS LOST, THIS IS EVIDENCE WE CANNOT EVEN DO A SEARCH CORRECTLY, SO HOW CAN WE RUN THE CITY? I KNOW FOR A FACT ISSUES BEING DONE WITH THE CITY ARE -- IF WE READ THE PAPER AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON, WE HAVE A FIRE . WE NEED SOMEONE QUALIFIED TO DO THAT. IT IS EVIDENT WE HAVE PLENTY OF ISSUES. THE PERSON THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED HAS MADE -- WAS HERE DURING THOSE PERIOD S. WE CANNOT CONTINUE DOWN THIS ROAD. THE FACT THAT I AM ASSUMING THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR ARE RELYING ON THE GUIDANCE OF THE CITY MANAGER AND FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY TO HAVE GUIDANCE. SOME OF THE DECISIONS THEY ARE MAKING I THINK THEY SHOULD ALSO HOLD SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT GUIDING THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE MAYOR CORRECTLY BECAUSE THE WHOLE ISSUE OF SELLING PARTITION PIECES OF THE KINGS PLAN FROM A DEVELOPMENT APPROVED, I BELIEVE THAT REQUIRES YOU TO GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN NOW. THAT WILL CAUSE MORE DELAYS. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN WRITING ON ANY REAL CANDIDATES. THERE ISN'T FUNDING OR FINANCIAL COMMITMENTS. JUST COMPLETE STORIES. SIX YEARS LATER WE'RE STILL APPROVING MORE NONSENSE.

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>> THANK YOU, SIR. ERIC BOWDEN? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. ERIC BOWDEN, LAW OFFICES OF GLORIA BOWDEN. I HAVE HEARD A LOT OF RUMORS AND MAYBE THEY ARE NOT TRUE ABOUT THE PROCESS OF SELECTING A NEW CITY MANAGER AND SOME OF THEM WERE THE APPLICATIONS WERE LOST ? SOME OF THEM WERE THEY WEREN'T COMPLETED FULLY. I AM LOOKING FOR A CLARIFICATION OF THIS TO SEE AND EVEN IF SHE WANTS THE JOB AND QUALIFIED FOR THE JOB BASED ON HER PERFORMANCE SHE HAS DONE ALREADY, SO WHO DO I ADDRESS THAT TOO? WHO IS GOING TO RESPOND TO THAT? WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE APPLICATIONS? THE PAPER SAID AT ONE TIME THERE WERE 60 AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS TRUE, OR IF THEY WERE

DISQUALIFIED AHEAD OF TIME . >> THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER, SIR. WE DON'T HAVE A DIALOGUE HERE. YOU JUST TALK TO

US. >> DOES SHE WANT THE JOB FIRST? DOES SHE WANT TO CONTINUE? IF SHE DOES , IS SHE CLOSE TO RETIREMENT? IS SHE GOING TO STAY WITH US FOR A WHILE OR BE GONE IN A COUPLE OF YEARS? WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED ALSO?

>> THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED AT SOME POINT .

>> IT KIND OF FELL APART AND I'M HEARING RUMORS AND I

DON'T CARE FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. CHRIS

GARDNER. >> CHRIS GARDNER, 207 ORANGE AVENUE. COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR HUDSON, THE TRANSPARENCY OF THIS WHOLE THING HAS BEEN KIND OF -- THE TRANSPARENCY OF THIS WHOLE EFFORT HAS BEEN JUST KIND OF LOST. I UNDERSTAND THE BID WENT OUT. YOU SEND OUT A QUESTIONNAIRE ON THE 20TH, FIVE DAYS BEFORE A BIG HOLIDAY. EVERYONE WAS MARVELED AND COMMENDING EVERYONE FOR WORKING SO HARD DURING THE CHRISTMAS BREAK, YET THESE APPLICANTS MAY HAVE BEEN ON HOLIDAY AND MAY NOT HAVE RECEIVED IT. IT WAS VERY SUSPICIOUS HOW IT ALL HAPPENED IN THAT ASPECT. AND NOW FOR WHATEVER REASON SOME APPLICATIONS WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE. WERE THEY GOOD CANDIDATES? WERE THEY GREAT CANDIDATES? MAYBE THE PERSON THAT ACTUALLY GETS THE JOB IN THE END. IF SOMEONE DOES NOT COME FORWARD AND SPEAK UP ABOUT THEIR APPLICATION BEING INCLUDED, WHERE WOULD WE BE? WHO WOULD WE HAVE PICKED FROM? YOU, AS OUR COMMISSIONERS AND MAYOR, HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE PROCESS. TO BE TRANSPARENT. TO PROMOTE A FAIR PROCESS FOR PICKING PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HIRE IN THE CITY IN THE LAST 15 YEARS. I KNOW 10 YEARS AGO WE HIRED FROM WITHIN.

IT WAS KIND OF A SUSPECT DEAL, HOW THAT WORKED OUT. IN 2012 YOU HAD A NATIONAL SEARCH. THE GENTLEMAN WORKED OUT FOR THREE YEARS AND WE WENT WITH A HOMEGROWN THING AND HERE WE ARE IN THIS POSITION TODAY. THE CITY CAN'T EXECUTE AN RFP.

LITTLE GEMS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. IT IS A SIMPLE LEASE FOR PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THE INFORMATION CAN'T GET PRESENTED PROPERLY AND THE RFP CAN'T BE PRESENTED. SO, WHAT HAPPENS ON FEBRUARY 28TH WHEN THE LEASE ENDS ? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO THEN ? SO, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE HOW BAD THE CITY IS MISMANAGED AND YOU GUYS NEED TO STEP UP AND FIX IT . THANK YOU.

>> CHRIS EINSTEIN.

IS IT POSSIBLE TO TAKE YOUR SEAT? I AM SEEING A GLARE ON

HERE. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> NO, IT IS NOT YOU. IT IS SOMETHING WE BROUGHT UP WITH THE CITY CLERK ASKING TO FIX THIS SO WE CAN SEE. CHRIS EINSTEIN , 207 ORANGE AVENUE. NO MATTER WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO HIRE SOMEONE NOT CURRENTLY EMPLOYED BY THE CITY. WE NEED NEW BLOOD AND TO HIRE A CITY MANAGER NOT ALREADY EMPLOYED BY THE CITY OR RELATED TO SOMEONE WHO IS. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAS A HABIT OF REGURGITATING UNQUALIFIED EMPLOYEES MOVING THEM FROM POSITION TO POSITION TO MAKE SURE THE DIRTY LAUNDRY IS NOT AIRED AND ALLOWS THEM TO CONTINUE TO CONTROL THE

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WE HAVE NO IDEA. LINDA COX DID HOLD THE TITLE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER AND SHE WORKED CLOSELY BUT WAS NOT PART OF THE ISSUE WHETHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, KNOWINGLY OR NOT KNOWINGLY. WAS SHE TURNING A BLIND EYE WHEN THIS HAPPENED? HOW CAN SHE SAY SHE WAS NOT AWARE OF ANY MISCONDUCT OR DENY ANY WRONGDOING? EITHER WAY WE DESERVE BETTER ALL AROUND. THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS A JOKE AND YET AGAIN ANOTHER EMBARRASSMENT TO THE CITY. IT'S UNBELIEVABLE THERE ARE MISSING RESUMES. HOW MUCH MONEY DID THIS COST? WHOSE FAULT IS IT THIS TIME? WHY IS THE CITY NOT BEING TRANSPARENT ABOUT THIS ISSUE BUT UPLOADING A PUBLISHED AGENDA YET AGAIN AT THE LAST MINUTE BUT KEEPING THE SUMMARY THE SAME? THERE WERE INCREASES IN ALL CATEGORIES.

THE CITY SEEMS TO PICK AND CONTROLLING THE NARRATIVE. THAT HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN TO THE SIDE WITH NO UPDATE AND THE LEASE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ENDING FEBRUARY 28, 2025. YOU WOULD THINK THE CITY WOULD ADDRESS THAT AT SOME POINT INSTEAD OF IGNORING IT. WHY DID THE CITY REQUIRE MC MIMS TO BE ACCREDITED BUT NOT NOW? THEY ARE TAILORING THE JOB DESCRIPTION TO FIT LINDA COX'S QUALIFICATIONS. WHY WAS THERE NOT A NATIONWIDE SEARCH ? EVEN IN 2015, THE COMMISSIONER WANTED TO DO A NATIONWIDE SEARCH TO MAKE SURE THE CITY HAD THE BEST CANDIDATE. HE STATED I THINK WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO NICK IF WE DON'T PUSH HIM AGAINST THE BEST. I THINK HE CAN WITHSTAND THE SCRUTINY AND WILL COME OUT ON TOP. WHY CAN'T WE APPLY THAT HERE? WE SHOULD BE GETTING THE BEST. WHY NOT HAVE LIKE WE SAID BEFORE A SEARCH FIRM TO HELP QUALIFY THE CANDIDATES? THEY COULD PROBABLY HAVE A BETTER REACH THAN WHAT WE COULD DO LOCALLY. SAME THING WITH THE HR

FIRM. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOUR TIME IS UP. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

[a. City Manager Applicant Review and Shortlist Interview Selection. ]

>> THE NEXT ITEM, CITY MANAGER APPLICANT REVIEW AND SHORTLIST

INTERVIEW SELECTION. >> YES, MA'AM. COMMISSIONERS.

THE ONE ITEM FOR TODAY IS 5A. WHEN WE WERE HERE LAST , YOU WERE PRESENTED APPLICANTS THAT THE CITY HAD RECEIVED AND THE MEETING WAS RESET TO TODAY FOR YOU ALL TO SELECT YOUR SHORT LIST OF INTERVIEWEES . ADDITIONALLY THERE WAS A REQUEST ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A NATIONAL SEARCH, SO WE ARE HERE FOR BOTH OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS TODAY. SO, SUBSEQUENT TO THE MOST PREVIOUS MEETING ON THIS TOPIC, AN APPLICATION BEING MISSING FROM THE ONLINE PUBLICATION WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. HR CONDUCTED A REVIEW OF THE APPLICANT'S RECEIVED, COMPARED TO WHAT WAS ON THE POSTED AGENDA ITEM OF ALL APPLICANTS AS WELL AS THEIR INTERNAL DOCUMENTATION OF THEIR REVIEW. SO , WHAT WAS DETERMINED , THERE WERE 11 APPLICANTS THAT WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT PACKET. SO, HR WENT BACK, DID A REVIEW OF ALL APPLICANTS AND MULTIPLE COMPARISONS TO ENSURE NO ONE HAS BEEN LOST. THEY WILL GIVE YOU THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. WITH THE 11, THEY REVIEW THEM FOR QUALIFICATIONS. THEY FOUND SIX TO BE QUALIFIED, FIVE TO BE NOT QUALIFIED BASED ON THE JOB POSTING. THEY HAVE REACHED OUT TO ALL SIX QUALIFIED CANDIDATES AND REQUESTED QUESTIONNAIRES. THIS COMMUNICATION HAPPENED ON MONDAY OF THIS WEEK, SO THEY GAVE THEM UNTIL TODAY, ASKED IF THEY COULD HAVE THOSE TO US BASED ON THE DEADLINE TODAY.

CANDIDLY, I DON'T THINK MYSELF OR ANYONE IN HR FEELS THAT QUICK TURNAROUND IS FAIR TO THE APPLICANTS OR THIS COMMISSION, SO WHAT OUR INTENT TODAY IS, IS TO RECOMMEND THAT BASED ON THE NEW APPLICANTS YOU RESET THE SELECTION. IF YOU INTEND TO

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THEY ARE NOW ALL INCLUDED. THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND THEY HAVE THE ANSWERS AS TO PRICE KIND OF RANGE FOR A NATIONAL SEARCH USING A RECRUITER AND TIMEFRAME FOR THAT, SHOULD THAT BE THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. MADAM MAYOR. FOR THE RECORD, JARED SORENSON, HR MANAGER. I AM HERE WITH THE ASSISTANT HR MANAGER. I AM GOING TO HANDLE MOST OF THE RESPONSE TO THIS. LINDA IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT FIRST WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PROVIDE CONTEXT BECAUSE IT IS IMPORTANT IN MY OPINION TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION FEELS COMFORTABLE WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO CAPTURE ALL OF THE APPLICANTS. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO MAKE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, WE HAVE NOT REOPENED THE POSITION AT ALL.

THE ONES BROUGHT FORTH WERE SUBMITTED AND MET THE TIMELINE.

I WILL GO INTO A BRIEF DETAIL OF WHAT WE FOUND. WHEN WE WERE CONTACTED, IT BROUGHT CONCERNED THAT NEITHER ONE OF US RECOGNIZED HIS NAME BECAUSE WE WENT THROUGH EVERY APPLICATION INDIVIDUALLY AND BECAUSE WE DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIS NAME WE STARTED GOING BACK AND RUNNING REPORTS TO SEE, OKAY, WAS THIS A THIRD PARTY? WAS THIS THROUGH INDEED OR SOME OTHER RECRUITMENT FIRM ? WE DID IT AGAINST OUR SPREADSHEET THAT WE HAVE BEEN KEEPING IT ALL OF THE APPLICANTS WERE THERE. WHEN WE WENT WITH TYLER, WE HAD TO GO LIVE WITH TYLER. ONE OF THE FIRST POSITIONS WE WENT LIVE WITH WAS THE CITY MANAGER.

>> I WILL STOP YOU THERE TO EXPLAIN WHAT TYLER IS HERE

>> I AM SORRY. PRIOR TO COMING TO THE CITY, WE HAD CIVIC HR, A RECRUITMENT PLATFORM THAT WE HAD.

>> A PLATFORM THAT IS SOFTWARE THAT YOU USE.

>> A SOFTWARE THAT WE USE. THE DECISION WAS MADE TO MOVE FROM THAT PLATFORM TO TYLER, AN ENTERPRISE PLATFORM, IT WAS AROUND OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, AND THAT IS WHEN WE WENT LIVE WITH TYLER. THEY STOP TO SUPPORTING THE OLD AND WE HAD TO MAKE THE

MOVE. >> YOU WERE FORCED TO GO TO THE

NEW -- >> WE WENT THROUGH TRAINING ON THE NEW SYSTEM AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO A BUNCH OF DETAIL BUT THERE IS A MODULE AND WITHIN THE MODULES THERE ARE DIFFERENT SECTIONS YOU CAN GO TO DEPENDING ON WHO IS WORKING IN THE SYSTEM. FOR EXAMPLE END USER HIRING MANAGER HAVE POSITIONS TO SEE CERTAIN INFORMATION. THERE IS CERTAIN INFORMATION WE DO NOT WANT TO PASS ON TO HIRING MANAGERS, LIKE GENDER, ETHNICITY. THOSE THINGS ARE PROTECTED AND THEY DON'T NEED TO SEE THAT. THEY JUST NEED TO SEE THE SKILL SETS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. WE WERE TRAINED TO GO INTO THIS AREA AND WE SAID, HOW DO WE DO THE END USERS? WE HAVE TO TRAIN THE END USERS TO VIEW THE APPLICATION. WE STARTED HAVING HICCUPS IN THE SYSTEM. WE PUT IN WORK TICKETS WITH THEIR EI SUPPORT SYSTEM TO HAVE THEM LOG INTO THE SYSTEM AND FIGURE IT OUT. WE HAVE HAD COMPLAINTS FROM APPLICANTS WHO SAID THEY COULD NOT UPLOAD DOCUMENTS. THEY CANNOT SUBMIT THEIR APPLICATIONS. WE MADE THE DECISION TO MAKE SURE ANYONE WHO CONTACTED US, WE WOULD NOT THROUGH THE TYLER SYSTEM OR A THIRD-PARTY. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR THE POSITION. AS WE WENT THROUGH , WE WENT BACK AND STARTED RUNNING REPORTS. WE HAD JUST GONE THROUGH ADDITIONAL TRAINING ON THE END USER. THE ONE PRIOR HAD LEFT . I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT THEY LEFT TYLER AND THE NEW TRAINER SAID, WHY ARE YOU GOING HERE? YOU SHOULD BE WORKING OUT OF THIS SECTION OF THIS MODULE. THEY TRAINED US HOW TO GO RUN THE REPORTS TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS FOR THAT POSITION AND WHEN WE TOOK THAT REPORT AND DID IT, WAIT A MINUTE, THERE ARE 11 PEOPLE NOT INCLUDED. I CANNOT PROVE 100% THE SYSTEM DID SOMETHING BUT

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WHEN WE IDENTIFIED THOSE, WE BROUGHT THEM TO THE CITY ATTORNEY 'S ATTENTION AND TALKED THROUGH HOW WE WOULD HANDLE IT. WE INDIVIDUALLY CONTACTED THE INDIVIDUAL, ASKED IF THEY WERE STILL INTERESTED. WE SAID THEY SUBMITTED THEIR INFORMATION ON TIME AND THEY WERE MISSED. WE SENT THEM THE QUESTIONNAIRES. THERE WERE SIX QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS OF THOSE ADDITIONAL APPLICANTS, RIGHT? ONE OF THEM RECENTLY CONTACTED US TODAY AND SAID THEY WANTED TO RESEND AND THEY WERE NO LONGER INTERESTED. NOW WE ARE DOWN TO FIVE QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. ALL FIVE HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR QUESTIONNAIRES TODAY. WE HAVE ALL FIVE QUESTIONNAIRES. THE REST OF THE APPLICANTS HAD A COUPLE OF WEEKS TO DO THE QUESTIONNAIRES.

THESE INDIVIDUALS ONLY HAD 2 1/2 DAYS. SO, WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT , WE ALSO HAVE TYLER SUPPORT. LOG INTO THE SYSTEM TODAY. RUN REPORTS OUT OF OUR SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE NOT MISSED ANYONE ELSE IT IS NOT US DOING IT, IT WAS THEM DOING IT. PRINT OFF THE REPORT SO IT MATCHES THE REPORT. I AM CONFIDENT THERE IS NO LINGERING APPLICANT IN THE SYSTEM AND WE HAVE CAPTURED ALL OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS FROM THE THIRD-PARTY RECRUITMENT PLATFORMS THAT CAN APPLY. WITH THAT SAID, WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ON YOUR DESK UP THERE ARE THE FIVE ADDITIONAL QUALIFIED APPLICANTS AND THE FIVE ADDITIONAL NONQUALIFIED APPLICANTS. WE HAVE NOT SENT THE QUESTIONNAIRES TO YOU YET. WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS MEETING AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT -- HOW WE WANTED TO GO FORWARD. I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO YOU OR THE APPLICANTS TO RUSH THROUGH AND READ IT TODAY IN PUBLIC AND DO THAT STUFF AND DECIDE TO SHORTLIST. MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO TAKE ADDITIONAL TIME, TAKE A LOOK AT IT, THOROUGHLY GO THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE GIVEN EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY THAT

THEY DESERVE. >> THANK YOU.

>> YOU ARE WELCOME. >> COMMISSIONERS?

>> MADAM MAYOR, I GUESS WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS HERE. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, I MADE A FEW NOTES AND I NEED TO PUT SOME CONTEXT AROUND SOME THINGS, RIGHT? SO ONE OF THE FIRST DECISIONS WE MADE WAS THE DECISION THAT WE WENT WITH TYLER. THAT WAS WHEN I FIRST GOT REELECTED FIVE YEARS AGO.

OR ELECTED FIVE YEARS AGO. I REMEMBER GOING TO THE CENTER PRICE SYSTEM NOT JUST FOR HR BUT THAT'S FINANCE, THAT'S BUILDING. IF WE WERE COMING UP TO THE MODERN CODE OF BEING ABLE TO DEAL WITH PUBLIC FACING AS WELL AS INTERNAL COMMUNICATION, SO WE MADE THAT DECISION AT THAT POINT FIVE YEARS AGO. AND SO, WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT DEPARTMENTS HAVE INTEGRATED THIS TO WORK. WHAT I HEARD, YOU GOT A HOLD OF THIS AROUND OCTOBER. YOU CAME IN AROUND THAT TIME.

>> WE CAME IN AROUND MARCH BUT WE DID NOT GET TO THE MODULE

AROUND OCTOBER. >> WE ARE PHASING IT IN ACROSS THE CITY. FINANCE WAS FIRST. BUILDING WAS NEXT. EACH DEPARTMENT WAS ONBOARDING THIS THING. WHAT I'M HEARING, YOU GUYS WERE BEING TRAINED. YOU UTILIZED IT TO THE CAPACITY YOU WERE TRAINED TO . THROUGH THIS PROCESS WE DETERMINED -- AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE I DON'T HEAR IT WAS INTENTIONAL, BUT IT WAS BECAUSE OF THAT THAT CAUSED US TO INNER REFLECT, LOOK AT THIS ISSUE. WE ARE NOW AT THE POINT WHERE WE HAVE DISCOVERED THIS. AND WHAT I ALSO HEARD WAS THE 15TH WAS THE CUTOFF DATE FOR ALL APPLICATIONS. WE HAVE EVERYBODY THAT WE NOW HAVE IN FRONT OF US BETWEEN THIS BINDER AND THIS STUFF, WE HAD A TOTAL OF HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY SENT IN APPLICATIONS EITHER USING INDEED, LINKEDIN, OUR TYLER SYSTEM. HOW MANY TOTAL PEOPLE DO WE HAVE?

>> WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 76. 75 BECAUSE OF THE ONE THAT

WITHDREW. >> 75 TOTAL PEOPLE, AND WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE 75 APPLICATIONS AND RESUMES .

>> CORRECT. >> WHAT WE ASKED YOU GUYS TO DO

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>> YES, SIR. >> OKAY. WE ALSO HAVE THOSE THAT ARE NOT QUALIFIED THAT ARE PART OF THE PACKET. I THINK WE HAD DETERMINED THAT IF THE COMMISSIONER IN HIS REVIEW FOR YOUR REVIEW, MADAM MAYOR, IF YOU SAW SOMEONE IN EITHER STACK WE COULD PULL THEM FORWARD FOR ANY TYPE OF INTERVIEW PROCESS.

>> THAT IS WHY WE WANTED TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE PROCESS A YOU COULD SEE EVERYBODY, WHETHER QUALIFIED OR NOT.

>> IT IS UP TO THE FIVE OF US TO WHITTLE THIS DOWN TO THE PEOPLE WE WANT IN FRONT OF US FOR INTERVIEW PURPOSES. OKAY.

EVERYTHING SUMMARIZED SO FAR. TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT TYLER -- HOW DO WE HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WHAT REALLY HAPPENED THERE.

>> THE ONLY THING TO HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND, WE WERE GOING THROUGH A BRAND NEW SYSTEM. THEY WERE TRAINING US HOW TO VIEW THE APPLICANTS. WHAT I CAN TELL YOU, TO HELP THE PUBLIC SO THEY DON'T HAVE FUTURE , WE HAVE BEEN TRAINED COMPLETELY ON THE END USER. WE HAVE A MANUAL THE I.T.

DEPARTMENT IS PUTTING TOGETHER BASED ON THE TRAINING SESSIONS, RIGHT? WHERE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO GO, WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.

THAT USER MANUAL CALCULATES AND TRACKS HOW TO GO TO EACH DIFFERENT SECTION AND DO WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE SURE WE MATCH THE REPORTS UP TO SEE WHO APPLIED TO MAKE SURE NO ONE WAS MISSED. NO ONE WAS OVERLOOKED.

THE SYSTEM HAS THE ABILITY WITH KNOCKOUT QUESTIONS WE PUT IN THERE. IF SOMEONE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 10 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR WHATEVER AND THEY ANSWER THAT QUESTION , THEY NEVER EVEN BECOME AN APPLICANT. THE ONES THAT GET INTO THE SYSTEM ARE TRULY QUALIFIED UNDER IF THEY ANSWERED CORRECTLY AND HONESTLY

THROUGH THE QUESTIONS. >> ONE OF THE THINGS IN CONVERSATION THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE PUT THIS OUT IN A MANNER WHERE WE PUT IT ON COMMON PLATFORMS THE PUBLIC MAY BE AWARE OF. PLATFORMS LIKE INDEED OR MONSTER.COM OR JOBS.COM, WHICH ARE COMMON EMPLOYMENT

WEBSITES OR WHATEVER. >> YES, SIR.

>> THAT ALLOWS FOR ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY LOOKING FOR A JOB TO APPLY THERE. IN OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT, WE GOT A LOT OF APPLICANTS. SOME CLEARLY HAVE NOT THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR CITY MANAGER TO BE THE CEO, SO THAT IS WHEN YOU BEGAN TO LOOK AT PEOPLE WHO MET MET CRITERIA AND NOT MATCHING. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE SAYING. THAT IS HOW PEOPLE GOT INTO THE DISQUALIFIED LIST?

>> THE ONLY OTHER CLARIFICATION I WOULD SAY, WE PUT THEM ON THE NORMAL WEBSITES BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE PUT IT ON SITE SPECIFIC FOR CITY MANAGERS LOOKING FOR JOBS SO YOU GET SOME MORE QUALIFIED APPLICANTS BUT IT GOT SPREAD OUT TO AS FAR AS WE CAN REACH WITH THE ABILITY WE HAD TO DO. YES, SIR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, WE WENT THROUGH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE POSITION JOB DESCRIPTION AND COMPARE THEM TO THE JOB DESCRIPTION AND KEPT NOTES WHILE WE FELT PEOPLE DID NOT MEET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS.

>> WE AS A COMMISSION HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO THROUGH AND PLUCK SOMEONE OUT THERE WE SOUGHT THAT WE AT LEAST WANT TO

EXPLORE. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I AM DONE FOR NOW. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT AND I WANT TO ADD TO THAT IT WAS BEYOND FLORIDA. IT WAS

BEYOND FLORIDA . >> THAT IS CORRECT. IF YOU REMEMBER, MADAM MAYOR, WE HAD FIVE APPLICANTS FROM OUT OF

STATE. >> RIGHT.

>> WE DID REACH OUT THERE. IT WAS PRETTY REASONABLE WITHIN DOING OUR SEARCH UNDER LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES.

>> AND FOR MOST PROFESSIONS, THERE ARE AVENUES THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS TO LOOK AT. I MEAN, IN A WAY, IT IS A SMALL WORLD CITY MANAGERS. IT IS A SMALL WORLD OF CITY CLERK'S, OF

SHERIFF S , OR WHATEVER. >> AS AN HR PROFESSIONAL, I WOULD LOOK IN THE AREAS I AM A MEMBER OF. I WOULD LOOK ON LINKEDIN. THEY HAVE OTHER HR PROFESSIONALS POSTING JOBS AND STUFF. WE DID THE SAME TYPE OF SCENARIO. WE POSTED ON LINKEDIN, ON OUR PERSONAL LINKEDIN. I HAVE REACHED OUT TO OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING IN THE GOVERNMENT AND

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OF JOB. YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, DID

YOU WANT TO CHIME IN HERE? >> I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY AS WE ALL HAVE TO MEET WITH HR STAFF TO DISCUSS THIS RIPPLE IN THE PROCESS AND MY CONCLUSIONS ARE SIMPLY THAT SOME TYPE OF AN ARROW WAS CREATED EITHER TECHNICALLY OR WITH THE APPLICATION OF THE TECHNOLOGY . NOT LOOKING TO POINT THE FINGER OR BLAME IN ANY CAPACITY. STAFF HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO GARNER 76 POTENTIAL APPLICANTS FOR THIS JOB, SO THANK YOU FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB. I KNOW YOU HAVE PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS PROCESS. SO MOVING PAST THAT ISSUE BECAUSE I CONSIDER IT TO BE A PROBLEM BUT A NONISSUE. I AM NOT LOOKING TO BLOW THIS THING UP IN ANY CAPACITY. IF THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO WHAT DO WE DO NEXT, WE HAVE BEEN HANDED A PACKAGE OF RESUMES, ET CETERA. REFERENCING THE QUESTIONNAIRES NOW , THESE FOLKS, YOU SENT QUESTIONNAIRES

TO THEM? >> THESE FOLKS HAVE TURNED IN ALL QUESTIONNAIRES WHICH WE CAN SEND TO EACH COMMISSIONER TO GO

OVER AND REVIEW THEM. >> OKAY.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, MR. SORENSEN AND I DISCUSSED THEY DID HAVE A QUICK TURNAROUND COMPARED TO THE OTHERS SO IF THE DECISION IS TO MOVE THE SHORT LIST APPLICATION SELECTION DOWN THE ROAD, I THINK IN FAIRNESS THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE EQUAL TIME IF THEY WANT TO UPDATE THEIR ANSWERS IF THEY FEEL THEY DID NOT HAVE ADEQUATE TIME AND WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND MORE FULLY, I DO THINK THAT IS

FAIR TO THEM. >> WE CAN -- WE CAN OFFER MORE

TIME. >> WE HAVE NOT SENT ANY OF THOSE TO YOU TO KIND OF PROTECT THAT PROCESS. IF AN APPLICANT SAYS WE HAVE NOT -- I FEEL I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MORE TIME TO ANSWER FULLY, YOU AREN'T LOOKING AT INCOMPLETE ANSWERS. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEND IS ALL OF THEM AT ONE TIME IN THEIR FINAL FORM TO PROTECT THE PROCESS FOR THAT APPLICANT AND SO WHEN MAKING YOUR DECISION, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU BUILD IN -- THEY HAVE HAD THREE DAYS AT THIS POINT. THE OTHERS WERE GIVEN TWO WEEKS. BUILDING IN THAT APPROPRIATE TIME SO THEY CAN HAVE EQUAL TIME BASICALLY AND TIME FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW EVERYONE INCLUDING THEIR QUESTIONNAIRES BECAUSE AS YOU SAW WITH THE PREVIOUS QUESTIONNAIRES, SOME OF THEM ARE VERY THOROUGH AND THERE IS A LOT OF READING AND SOME OF THOSE, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND

MOVING FORWARD AS WELL. >> HAVING SAID THAT, I CONCUR WE NEED TO PROVIDE PARITY TO THE ORIGINAL APPLICANTS. 14 DAYS. WE NEED TO REPLICATE 14 DAYS FOR THESE ADDITIONAL APPLICANTS TO GIVE THEM THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO DO A DETAILED RESPONSE TO THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THE QUESTIONS ARE COMPLICATED AND THE ANSWERS ARE EXHAUSTIVE. THEY ARE LENGTHY. HAVING SAID THAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR THAT TO GIVE THEM 14 DAYS AND FOLLOW-UP AND THAT GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO THROUGH THE RESUMES, THE QUESTIONNAIRES, AND REPOST THIS MEETING FOR A FOLLOW-UP MEETING JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT 14 DAY TIMELINE. THAT IS MY SUGGESTION.

>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. COULD YOU EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC WHAT THIS QUESTIONNAIRE THING IS? WE ARE TAKING AN ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. JUST THE TOP LEVEL SO WE ARE TRANSPARENT SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS NOT ONLY IS IT AN APPLICATION BUT WE GIVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS SO WE CAN IT INTO THE UNDERSTANDING

OF THESE APPLICANTS. >> DO YOU MIND IF I READ QUESTIONS FROM THE QUESTIONNAIRE?

>> HOW DO YOU WANT TO DO IT? >> WHAT WE DID WAS BASED ON COMMISSION'S REQUEST TO NARROW DOWN THE APPLICANTS TO A SHORT LIST , WE WANTED TO PROVIDE COMMISSION WITH SOMETHING TO ASSIST THEM IN SOMETHING TO DO THAT OTHER THAN THE RESUMES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE DEVELOPED A 15 QUESTION QUESTIONNAIRE THAT IS GEARED TO THE PROBLEMS WE ARE HAVING OR HAVE SEEN WITHIN THE CITY. I WILL GIVE YOU A FEW HIGHLIGHTS OF THE EXAMPLES OF

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STRATEGY IS GOING TO BE. >> THANK YOU.

>> GOOD , GOOD, GOOD. COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. FIRST OF ALL, I CAN SIT HERE AND SAY I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH THE 14 DAY TIMELINE THAT EVERYBODY RECEIVED BECAUSE I WANT A FAIR PLAN. I CAN ALSO TELL MADAM MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THERE IS NO WAY I CAN MAKE ANY DECISION TONIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING BECAUSE I WAS JUST HANDED THIS TONIGHT. THAT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO HAPPEN OVER HERE. SO -- BUT MY CONCERN WITH -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPLANATION. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED WAS HOW COULD THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON OR SOMETHING? I AM PARAPHRASING WHAT YOU SAID. I HEARD YOU SAY YOU CONTACTED THE COMPANY AND YOU ASKED THE COMPANY -- IF I AM WRONG, CORRECT ME, BUT YOU ASKED THE COMPANY TO RUN A REPORT TO VERIFY IT MATCHES THEIR SYSTEM. THEY RAN THEIR REPORT AND IT MATCHES WHAT WE HAVE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT, SIR. >> IF THAT CAN SOMEHOW -- AND MS. HEDGES, IF IT IS NOT PROPRIETARY INFORMATION OR WHATEVER, IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN PUBLISH TO THE PUBLIC SO NOT ONLY THEY CAN SEE WE HAVE THE REPORT BUT THIS CAME FROM THE COMPANY ITSELF, NOT FROM HANDS ON WITH FORT PIERCE, THAT IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD LET THE PUBLIC SEE TO BACK UP WHAT OUR HR DIRECTOR IS SAYING, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE WITHOUT BREAKING ANY PROPRIETARY INFORMATION. LISTENING HERE, THAT IS THAT FOR THE CANDIDATES. I CANNOT MAKE A DECISION WITH WHAT I HAVE NOW. TO HR AND THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE, WE HAVE HAD A HICCUP IN TYLER. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU SAID TYLER IS IN A LOT OF ODD DEPARTMENTS. RIGHT NOW, MY CONCERN IS BASED ON TALKING TO YOU GUYS THAT WHEN YOU ARE TRAINED, YOU WERE TOLD TO LOOK OVER HERE AND WE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED THERE. HOW CAN WE BE ASSURED THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE BEEN TRAINED RIGHT ON THE SYSTEM? BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT IS -- I THINK YOU SAID FINANCE AND SOME OTHER THINGS. COME BACK AND WE DO SOMETHING WITH FINANCES AND WE GET A HICCUP. BUDGET TIME .

STRATEGIC TIME AND WE ARE IN TROUBLE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT NOT ONLY TO GIVE ME MORE CONFIDENCE IN THIS SYSTEM BUT ALSO WITH THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW HOW.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS RETRAINING. IN MY MEETINGS WITH YOU GUYS, I'VE ASKED THE QUESTION CAN SOMEONE FROM TYLER COME HERE? I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT ANY MORE HICCUPS. I AM TIRED OF HICCUPS. NOTHING YOU GUYS DID -- AND COMMISSIONER, I AM HAPPY YOU SENT YOUR LETTER IN. I'M HAPPY YOU SENT YOUR LETTER IN BECAUSE COULD YOU IMAGINE? COULD YOU IMAGINE? HAD TONIGHT GONE BY, ALL OF US WENT DOWN THE ROAD, YOU PICK YOUR FOUR, I PICK MY FOUR, AND ONE OF THESE OTHER 11 CAME IN AND SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, WHAT IS GOING ON? I DON'T WANT ANY MORE SURPRISES LIKE THAT. I DON'T WANT ANY MORE HICCUPS. I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD HICCUP ANYMORE. CAN WE NOT USE IT IN 2025? IT'S GETTING OLD.

I NEED TO KNOW SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT, SOME TYPE OF FEELING THAT EVERYBODY WHO IS USING THE SYSTEM IS BEING TRAINED TO USE THE SYSTEM RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MEANS I NEED TO HAVE

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THE QUESTIONS, ALL RIGHT? >> I ACTUALLY HAVE A SUGGESTION. I HAVE WORKED WITH TYLER TECHNOLOGIES WAIT FOR 16 YEARS. I HAVE WORKED WITH THEM AT THREE ORGANIZATIONS. LAKE COUNTY CLERKS OFFICE, WE BROUGHT IN TYLER. TYLER IS A FANTASTIC SOFTWARE PROGRAM. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS FINANCIAL SOFTWARE PROGRAM. IT WAS DESIGNED FOR FINANCIALS. IT IS WONDERFUL. SOME OF THE MODULES CAME ON AND AS THEY HAVE CAME ON, THEY HAVE GOTTEN BETTER AND BETTER FROM THE TIME I HAVE SEEN THEM, RIGHT? THEY ARE NOT PERFECT. THEY ARE NOT SPECIALIZED. THERE IS SOFTWARE OUT THERE THAT IS AN APPLICANT TRACKING SYSTEM THAT IS USED IN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. WONDERFUL SOFTWARE. THAT IS ALL THEY DO. THAT IS ALL THEY DO. THEY DON'T INTEGRATE. THAT IS ALL THEY DO. TYLER SAVES CITIES MONIES BECAUSE THE INTEGRATE EVERYTHING TOGETHER. WHEN I SAY OR YOU SAY HICCUPS, I SAY QUARKS. QUIRKS, RIGHT? I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THE BEST WAY IS TO GO IN AS A CITIZEN AND USE THE APPLICATION. I WENT IN AND APPLIED FOR THE JOBS. I WANTED TO SEE WHAT IT DOES. I RAN INTO CONCERNS PEOPLE WERE CALLING ME ABOUT ON THE PHONE AND REALIZED, YEAH, THEY ARE CONCERNS BUT IT WAS NOT DOING EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID IT WAS DOING. YOU JUST HAD TO LOGIN BUT IT DID NOT PROMPT YOU TO LOGIN. THE INFORMATION WAS THERE, YOU JUST HAD TO LOGIN.

THAT GIVES ME THE ABILITY TO SAY WE NEED TO START WRITING, HEY, YOU NEED TO LOG INTO THIS SYSTEM, CLICK ON SAVED APPLICATIONS AND THERE IS EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE. MY ANSWER TO YOU, WE ARE ON THE SIDE OF BUILDING THE INTERNAL STRUCTURE FOR THE SYSTEM. WE NEED TO TURN AROUND, FLIP OUR HATS AROUND, GO BACK IN AS A CITIZEN AND TEST THE SYSTEM AS A CITIZEN BECAUSE NOW YOU ARE SEEING WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE

SEEING. >> DIRECTOR, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. WHAT I AM HEARING IS IN HR, YOU HAVE A

PLAYBOOK NOW. >> YES.

>> YOU HAVE A PLAYBOOK NOW. >> YES, SIR.

>> HR IS NOT THE ONLY ONE USING THE SYSTEM.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> DO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE A PLAYBOOK, OR ARE THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS DOING WHAT YOU DID? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING

WE NEED TO LOOK INTO. >> YES. ABSOLUTELY. I REPORT TO JOHNSON AND HE IS OVER THAT AREA. I WILL CIRCLE BACK TO HIM AND EXPLAIN WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT.

>> YOU SAY HIS NAME AND HE APPEARS.

>> THAT'S FINE BECAUSE WE NEED TO KNOW.

>> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS, COMMISSIONER GAINES. AND I HAVE A COMMENT.

>> GO AHEAD. >> COMMISSIONERS, AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON STATED, WE BEGAN THE PROCESS OF FIVE YEARS AGO THE PHASED APPROACH. WE DID FINANCIALS FIRST. FINANCIALS TOOK ABOUT 18 MONTHS. IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN PART OF A CENTRAL SYSTEM DEPLOYMENT MIGRATION, ONCE YOU GO LIVE, YOU WILL SPEND THE NEXT YEAR WORKING OUT BUGS, FIGURING OUT PROCESSES THAT ARE NOT WHAT YOU THOUGHT THEY WERE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THAT IS JUST THE DAY TO DAY ASPECT OF IT. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE IT IS A NEW SYSTEM AND PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO LEARN NEW THINGS, RIGHT? THERE IS THAT ASPECT TO IT ALSO. AS MR. SORENSEN STATED, WE WENT LIVE WITH THE APPLICANT PORTION FOR TYLER FOR THE APPLICANT TRACKING IN NOVEMBER. THIS WAS AFTER CIVIC HR, THE PRIOR PLATFORM SUNSET IT IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER. WAS REALLY JUST A PERFECT STORM. HAD THIS NOT BEEN SUCH A HIGH PROFILE, YOU KNOW, APPLICATION OR JOB PROCESS, WE WOULD HAVE WORKED OUT THE KINKS LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT IS A FAILURE BUT IT IS A PROCESS AND IT IS WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW . IT'S

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AND FOR FOLKS. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE IF I HAVE THE QUESTIONS, THE PUBLIC HAS THE QUESTIONS. I'M GLAD TO HEAR WE ARE WORKING OUT THE SYSTEM TO MAKE IT WORK LIKE WE WANT IT TO WORK. BEFORE I GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE, I DON'T THINK I SAID THIS. TO THE OWNERS OF TYLER, I DID NOT CALL YOUR SYSTEM A FAILURE. DO NOT EMAIL ME. DO NOT WRITE ME. I DID NOT SAY THAT. I DID USE THE WORD HICCUPS . I DON'T WANT THOSE EMAILS COMING TO ME OR PHONE CALLS BECAUSE I DID NOT CALL THE SYSTEM A FAILURE. I JUST HAD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU,

SIR. >> DID YOU WANT TO ASK A

QUESTION? >> FOR THE COMMISSION. AS A SUGGESTION, MAYBE IT'S TIME WE HAVE IN ONE OF OUR MEETING SESSIONS AN UPDATE, RIGHT? WE CAN TASK OUR DEPUTY MANAGERS IN TERMS OF PULLING TOGETHER THE DEPARTMENTS SO WE CAN HEAR WHAT HAS BEEN THE ONBOARDING INTEGRATION. THIS IS WHAT THEY DO. THEY ARE STAFFED FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND DOING THE WORK.

MAYBE IT IS TIME TO HEAR WHERE WE ARE, WHAT'S HAPPENING AS A RESULT OF THE SYSTEM AND WE CAN BETTER GAUGE HOW WE CAN FURTHER SUPPORT THIS THING GOING FORWARD, RIGHT? THERE ARE ALWAYS HICCUPS. I GET THAT. TECHNICALLY WE NEED TO INFORM THE PUBLIC AS WELL AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL HAD CHALLENGES. I PERSONALLY HAD A CHALLENGE TRYING TO GET MY BUSINESS PERMIT ACTUALLY BACK THROUGH IT, SO I GET IT. THE MORE WE COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC AND UNDERSTAND THIS, THIS IS JUST PART OF DOING BUSINESS. NO SYSTEM IS PERFECT.

WE NEED TO UPDATE WITH PATCHES BECAUSE ISSUES ARE THERE, MILITIAS WHERE IS THERE AND WE NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY VIGILANT ON HOW WE ARE DOING BUSINESS. FIVE YEARS AGO THE SYSTEM WE HAD THEN WAS OUTDATED AND NOT BEING SUPPORTED SO YOU COULD NOT CALL UP THE SUPPORT LINE AND GET HELP. COULD YOU IMAGINE IF ONLY WE MADE THE INVESTMENT THEN AND NOT NOW? WE ARE FIVE YEARS DOWN THIS TRACK AND I THINK IT IS TIME FOR AN UPDATE SO WE CAN HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENTS ON WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING AND WORKING THROUGH AND WE CAN BETTER HELP THE PUBLIC WHEN WE GET QUESTIONS AND CALLS ABOUT THAT

PROCESS. >> AND MR. JOHNSON, AM I NOT CORRECT THAT EVERYBODY HASN'T BEEN USING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS? YOU PHASE IT IN AND DEPARTMENTS.

>> CORRECT. >> YOU STARTED IN FINANCE. EACH DEPARTMENT TOOK A WHILE TO WORK IT OUT.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> WE WENT WITH THIS SYSTEM BECAUSE IT WAS A SYSTEMWIDE PLATFORM THEY COULD TALK TO EACH OTHER BECAUSE THAT WASN'T HAPPENING. WE CAME INTO THE 21ST CENTURY PERHAPS AND ALSO DOESN'T THE COUNTY USE THIS

SYSTEM? >> THEY DON'T USE ALL OF THE MODULES BUT THEY USE SOME OF THE MODULES.

>> YOU WILL BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THE FIRE BOARD VOTED TO START USING TYLER BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS IT BECAUSE IT DOES GO SYSTEMWIDE AND IT HAS SUPPORT THAT THEY COME IN AND GIVE YOU SUPPORT. PORT ST. LUCIE ALSO USES IT. THEY HAVE

HAD IT FOR LONGER. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> THIS IS A COMMON SOFTWARE PROGRAM FOR US TO NOW HAVE SOMETHING WHERE SYSTEMWIDE IT WILL BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE WITH EACH OTHER AND TALK TO EACH OTHER. PUTTING ON MY ROSE-COLORED GLASSES, IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL ALWAYS NEED

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MR. JOHNSON? >> MAYOR, CAN I ADD ONE MORE THING? WITH THE THREE ENTITIES I HAVE WORKED FOR, EVERY IMPLEMENTATION WE WENT THROUGH THIS . WE REALLY DID. THE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO FOLLOW CERTAIN PROCESSES , RIGHT? WELL, WE DON'T DO IT THAT WAY. WE DO IT THIS WAY. I AM NOT SAYING HERE BUT THEY FIGHT THE PROCESS AND TRY TO DO WORKAROUNDS AND THE SYSTEM DOES NOT LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE IS

A CERTAIN WAY TO DO THAT. >> RIGHT.

>> IT STARTS FLOWING SMOOTHER AND GETTING BETTER.

>> RIGHT. >> THAT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE.

>> AS YOU MAY RECALL, MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSION, ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD ASKED OF HIM WAS TO HAVE REGULAR SESSIONS AS THE I.T. DIRECTOR TO BRING THOSE TYPES OF INITIATIVES TO THE FOREFRONT. HAVEN'T BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU IN A WHILE BUT IT IS DEFINITELY TIME FOR AN UPDATE.

>> THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU STARTED IT AND LAUNCHED IT. I THINK IT WOULD BE EXCELLENT. YES.

>> THE FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. JOHNSON? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. GO AHEAD , PLEASE. >> I HAVE BEEN WAITING MY TURN PATIENTLY. I AM THE NEW GUY, SO I WILL GO LAST. I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, NOT COMMENT TOO MUCH ON THE ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE. I HAVE BEEN PART OF THE SWITCHOVER IN A MUCH LARGER SCALE AND IT CAN BE A NIGHTMARE. I UNDERSTAND THESE THINGS HAPPEN BUT JUST TO PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE AND WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS, WE HAVEN'T PICKED ANYONE. WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHO WE ARE GOING WITH. I HAD ACTUALLY HEARD YOU HAD APPLIED AND I ASKED THE QUESTION OF WHERE YOUR APPLICATION WAS. WE IDENTIFIED THE PROBLEM. WE GOT THE APPLICATIONS IN THERE. WE'VE GOT 11 ADDITIONAL AND WE ARE STILL IN A POSITION WE CAN REVIEW THOSE. WE ARE NOT BEHIND. IT'S NOT BE HAVE ALREADY SHORTLISTED AND FOUND THE APPLICANTS. WE ARE STILL HERE AND CAN STILL LOOK AT THEM. THIS IS WHAT GOVERNMENT TRANSPARENCY LOOKS LIKE. YOU ARE COMING BEFORE US TELLING US THE SOFTWARE IS SCREWED UP AND WE ARE IN A POSITION WE CAN STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPLICANT LIST WE HAVE. ONE THING THAT WASN'T MENTIONED THAT, TO YOUR CREDIT, WE ALSO TOOK APPLICATIONS THAT DIDN'T COME THROUGH THAT SYSTEM BECAUSE IT WAS NEW.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WE HAD THIRD-PARTY SYSTEMS THAT SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS THAT WE ENCOURAGED THEM TO MOVE THROUGH THE CITY AND TO THE CITY WEBSITE APPLICATIONS BUT YOU WEREN'T REQUIRED TO BECAUSE THIS WAS A NEW PROCESS.

I AM COMFORTABLE AND CONFIDENT WE HAVE ALL OF THE APPLICATIONS NOW AND I'M HAPPY WITH THE LIST WE HAVE AND I'M HAPPY TO MOVE FORWARD. ONE COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE ABOUT THE TWO WEEK OPTION, WE'VE GOT THE FIVE WE SENT THE QUESTIONNAIRES TO. I THINK I WANT TO GIVE THEM THE 14 DAY OPTION. OBVIOUSLY IF ALL FIVE SAY I AM HAPPY WITH MY ANSWERS AND I'M READY TO MOVE FORWARD, I'M READY TO NOT HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG. THAT IS A CONVERSATION I KNOW YOU GUYS WILL HAVE AND CALL THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND SAY IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE OR YOU WANT -- YOU ARE ALLOWED TWO WEEKS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME UPDATES IF WE ARE ABLE TO. YOU KNOW, YOU TAKE THE TWO WEEKS AND WE GET ALL FIVE APPLICATIONS BACK WITHIN FIVE DAYS, LET'S MOVE FORWARD QUICKER BECAUSE AFTER THAT TWO WEEKS WE WILL NEED A WEEK TO LOOK AT THEM SO NOW WE ARE ANOTHER THREE WEEKS. I'M TRYING TO JUST NOT KEEP KICKING

THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. >> I'LL HAVE LINDA REACH OUT.

SHE HAS BEEN THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN IN CONTACT INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH APPLICANT. SHE WILL CIRCLE BACK TO THEM. I KNOW SHE HAS TALKED WITH SOME OF THEM TODAY BUT SHE WILL CIRCLE BACK AND MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE WILL ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME IF YOU NEED IT. IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR

QUESTIONS, THAT'S OKAY TOO. >> IF IT IS YOUR PLEASURE, WHAT WE COULD DO IS HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. I THINK THESE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE AND RESPONDING TO CALLS AND EMAILS. WE COULD REACH OUT TO THEM BETWEEN NOW AND TUESDAY TO GET THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION COMMISSIONER TAYLOR IS ASKING. IF YOU WANTED TO PICK A TIMELINE ON TUESDAY

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TUESDAY THE 21ST. >> YES. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE GOING TO RELEASE THE INFORMATION ABOUT, THE SEARCH.

THEY DO COVER THAT, MR. SORENSEN? WERE YOU DOING THAT?

>> ONLY ONE OR TWO OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS.

COMMISSIONER TAYLOR INDICATED HE ASKED WHERE COMMISSIONER'S APPLICATION . THAT WAS NOT DIRECTED TO STAFF TO WHERE WE IGNORED YOUR QUESTION. I BELIEVE YOU ASKED THAT EXTERNALLY , SO I WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT WE WERE NOT ALERTED AND IGNORED HIM. I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT. >> THE SECOND THING -- I APOLOGIZE. THE SECOND THING, WHEN MR. SORENSEN WAS TALKING ABOUT THESE MODULES, I WANTED TO JUST BRIEFLY AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THE MODULES THERE ARE DIFFERENT TABS AND DIFFERENT ONES DO DIFFERENT THINGS AND YOU SEE DIFFERENT PARTS OF APPLICATIONS BASED ON WHERE YOU ARE AND WHAT YOUR ORIGINAL TRAINING HAD YOU IN ONE SECTION, WHEREAS THE SUBSEQUENT TRAINING AFTER THE LAST MEETING ON THIS ITEM SAID YOU NEED TO BE OVER HERE IN THIS DIFFERENT SECTION AND WHEN YOU WENT TO THAT SECTION AND RAN THE REPORT YOU HAD BEEN SUBSEQUENTLY TRAINED ON, THAT IS WHERE YOU SAW THE REST OF THE APPLICANTS. AM I CORRECT IN THAT

UNDERSTANDING? >> YOU ARE CORRECT. AS THEY WERE GOING OVER IT, THEY QUESTIONED THE NEW TRAINER QUESTION. WELL, WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT? THAT IS HOW WE WERE TRAINED. HOW DO WE TRAIN THE END USERS? YOU WOULD BE BETTER SERVED AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG --

>> CORRECT. >> HERE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO SEE THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS. THAT IS WHAT WE DID, WE RAN THE REPORTS AND LOW AND BEHOLD THAT IS HOW WE WERE ABLE TO VERIFY THERE ARE APPLICATIONS IN HERE WE DID NOT SEE. THEY WERE NEVER LOST. THEY WERE ALWAYS IN THE SYSTEM. YOU HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS AND FOR EXAMPLE ONE OF THE MODULES YOU GO IN AND YOU DON'T EVEN SEE NAMES. YOU SEE APPLICANT NUMBERS. THERE MUST BE OTHER COMPANIES THAT UTILIZE THESE SECTIONS. THE HIRING CENTRAL IS WHERE WE WILL LIVE NOW. THAT IS THE SECTION WE NEED TO BE USING AND IT DOES EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO. WE CAN VERIFY WE'VE GOT ALL OF THE APPLICANTS AND WE ARE VERY, VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IT NOW WITH THE SUBSEQUENT TRAINING.

>> GOOD. >> I WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING.

WITH REGARD TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT SUBMITTED THEIR QUESTIONNAIRES, I DID ASK THEM IF THEY FELT THEY HAD ADEQUATE TIME AND IF THEY WERE CONFIDENT WITH WHAT THEY SUBMITTED. THEY ARE RESPONDING VIA EMAIL SO WE HAVE PROOF THEY ARE OKAY. THEY ARE SLOWLY RESPONDING. I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE.

>> YOU HAVE ASKED THAT QUESTION AND WE ARE GETTING RESPONSES

NOW . >> CORRECT.

>> FOLLOWING THIS MEETING, PERHAPS YOU CONTACT THEM ONE MORE TIME. IT IS THEIR LAST CHANCE TO SAY, NO, I NEED MORE TIME. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT?

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY I AGREED TO THAT. I WANT IT COMMUNICATED TO THEM IN AN EMAIL THE COMMISSION HAS ALLOWED PARITY UP TO TWO WEEKS LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE AND IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT TIME TO REVIEW IT AND MAKE CHANGES TO WHAT YOU HAVE SUBMITTED AS A NEW ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTIONS, WE WILL ALLOW THAT BUT YOU MUST REPLY BACK YES OR NO OR IF YOU ARE SATISFIED. IN FACT , WE WILL HAVE A RECORD TRAIL .

>> AT THE LEFT MEETING, I WAS ASKED TO LOOK INTO TIME FRAMES AND COST TO HAVE A NATIONAL SEARCH FIRM. I REACHED OUT TO SEVERAL. MOST ARE, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE SECTOR, GOVERNMENT SECTOR, BUT THE ONES I REACHED OUT TO WORK GOVERNMENT SECTOR THAT WE KNOW VERY WELL. THEY GAVE ME AND EXPLAINED THAT THERE IS A SEARCH FEE AND YOU HAVE INCURRED COSTS. TRAVEL, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, HOTEL LODGING FOR THEM TO BE ON SITE.

ON THE LOW END IT WAS $32,500 AND ON THE HIGH END, IT GOES UP BETWEEN $47,000 AND $50,000. THOSE ARE THE TWO LOWS AND

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>> AND MS. HEDGES, THERE COULD BE TIME ADDED TO THAT BECAUSE

OF THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS? >> YES, MA'AM. THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR PROCUREMENT BASED ON WHAT YOU ARE PROCURING, WHAT YOUR PURCHASE IS, WHAT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE PURCHASE IS, AND THE PROCUREMENT PROFESSIONAL WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS TO MAKE THAT PURCHASE. WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY FOLLOW THE PROPER RULES IN MAKING ANY SORT OF -- ENTER INTO DOING A CONTRACT WITH A RECRUITER FOR ANY ADDITIONAL SEARCH. IF THERE IS A PROCESS THAT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE 120 ONCE THEY HAVE ASSIGNED CONTRACT TELLING THEM

WHAT IT IS WE WANT THEM TO DO. >> YES, SIR?

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT, DIRECTOR. I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING TO THE COMMISSION. I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF A NATIONWIDE SEARCH. MY OPINION IS THIS. WE HAVE NOT BEEN GIVEN THIS INFORMATION TONIGHT , WE ARE GOING TO COME IN HERE AND PICK FOUR, THREE OR WHATEVER PEOPLE WE WANTED TO INTERVIEW. I THINK GIVEN THESE CANDIDATES, THESE CANDIDATES THAT TOOK THEIR TIME, THE 77, 76, 75, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS THAT ONCE WE GET THROUGH THESE NEW CANDIDATES THAT WE GIVE THESE PEOPLE THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO INTERVIEW WITH US AND AFTER WE INTERVIEW WITH THESE PEOPLE AND -- OR THESE CANDIDATES, WE COME TO A CONCLUSION. THE FIVE OF US COME TO A CONCLUSION. AT THAT TIME, NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE WHAT WE WANT TO BE THE NEXT CITY MANAGER, AT THAT TIME, WE THINK ABOUT A NATIONWIDE SEARCH AND SPENDING THE TAXPAYERS MONEY . WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE NONE OF US HAVE INTERVIEWED ANY OF THESE CANDIDATES. AND LIKE I SAID BEFORE IN ANOTHER MEETING , A RESUME IS GREAT BUT JUST LIKE THE TYLER PROGRAM, THERE ARE PROGRAMS OUT THERE TO WRITE YOU THE BEST RESUME EVER. I AM JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. TO ME, I WILL READ THE RESUME. I WILL READ YOUR QUESTIONNAIRE. I WILL READ MY BACKGROUND THAT I FOUND OUT ON YOU BECAUSE I WENT THROUGH THE LIST. I HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF CHECK MARKED BOXES AND JUST A QUICK GOOGLE SEARCH , SOME OF THOSE CHECKS GOT SCRATCHED RIGHT OUT. THAT IS ME. THAT IS MY PREROGATIVE AND I CAN DO THAT WITH MY LIST.

UNTIL WE SIT DOWN WITH THE CANDIDATE AND TALK TO THAT CANDIDATE AND ASK THOSE QUESTIONS OR ASK QUESTIONS YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT CANDIDATE. AND I DON'T CARE IF ALL OF US COME BACK WHENEVER YOU SAID, TUESDAY, WE'LL COME BACK AND HAVE ONE CANDIDATE WE GO THROUGH AND THAT IS WHO YOU WANT INTERVIEW. THEY DESERVE THE CHANCE TO BE INTERVIEWED AND AT THAT POINT BEFORE WE SPEND ANY TAXPAYER DOLLARS, IF WE SAY NONE OF THESE CANDIDATES ARE WHAT WE NEED , THEN I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO SAY, OKAY, LET'S SPEND SOME MONEY TO DO A NATIONAL SEARCH BUT I DON'T THINK WE ARE AT THAT POINT YET BECAUSE I PERSONALLY FROM THE FIRST GROUP, I WANT TO INTERVIEW A FEW CANDIDATES THAT I'VE READ ON AND LIKE THE ANSWERS TO THEIR QUESTIONNAIRES. I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE SOME GOOD CANDIDATES IN THE PACKAGE I WAS JUST GIVEN. HAVEN'T READ IT .

DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD. LET ME INTERVIEW THEM TO SEE IF THEY ARE FIT OR WHAT I WANTED TO BE THE NEXT CITY MANAGER AND I WILL TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET HIRED, YOU WILL SEE THIS RIGHT BY MIND SO YOU MIGHT BE ASKED TO MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE I GET KIND OF FIRED UP SOMETIMES SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO SLIDE DOWN BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY THEY ARE GOING TO SEE IT. LET'S -- LET'S GIVE THESE CANDIDATES THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. THEY TOOK THE TIME AND WE HEARD TONIGHT -- WE HEARD TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT SOME OF THIS

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MADAM MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> FOLLOW-UP QUESTION FOLLOWING COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, JOHNSON, SORENSEN. RELATIVE TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE, WE SENT A SECOND GROUP OF APPLICANTS, FIVE RECEIVED THE QUESTIONNAIRE.

CORRECT? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE SIX QUALIFIED THAT JUST CAME IN? ONE WITHDREW, SO ALL FIVE

GOT IN. >> THIS GOES ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S COMMENTS, IF THE COMMISSIONER WANTS TO PULL A CANDIDATE OF CONSIDERED NONQUALIFIED WHICH IS SUBJECTIVE TO A CERTAIN EXTENT AND WE WISH TO INTERVIEW THOSE FOLKS OR THAT PARTICULAR APPLICANT, THEY HAVE NOT COMPLETED A QUESTIONNAIRE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> NO. WE SHOULD GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE THE

QUESTIONNAIRE TO HAVE THAT . >> HOW WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT WOULD WORK? I PHRASE THAT QUESTION FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF IF WE ARE LOOKING TO SET SOME SCHEDULES NEXT TUESDAY AND POTENTIALLY WE HAVE ADDITIONAL APPLICANTS THAT NEED TO COMPLETE THE QUESTIONNAIRE, DO THEY GET 14 DAYS AS WELL? THIS IS FOLLOWING UP DIRECTLY WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH THAT EARLIER BECAUSE I HAVE A CONCERN. THERE ARE SOME APPLICANTS I'VE SEEN IN THE NEW PACKAGE OF APPLICANTS THAT I WOULD WANT TO PULL AND POTENTIALLY INTERVIEW. SO HOW WOULD WE MANAGE THAT? NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT A 14 DAY POTENTIAL PERIOD FOR THEM AS WELL?

>> SO I WILL ASK THE CITY OF TURNEY -- ATTORNEY. IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO PULL, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE QUESTIONNAIRE SO WE ARE NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL TIME.

>> SURE. I THINK THAT IS A -- SORRY, MADAM MAYOR.

COMMISSIONERS. IF YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THERE IS SOMEONE YOU LIKE TO PULL TO CONSIDER, WE CAN PULL THAT OUT THERE WILL BE A TIMEFRAME BETWEEN WHEN YOU MAKE YOUR APPLICANT PICKS AND WHEN THE INTERVIEWS ARE SO THAT WOULD GIVE THEM TIME TO ANSWER THAT BUT IF THERE IS SOMEONE YOU KNOW FOR FACT YOU WANT TO PULL FOR AN INTERVIEW OR I WOULD SAY YOU ARE CONSIDERING PULLING FOR AN INTERVIEW, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SEND THAT TO THEM FOR THEM TO FILL OUT. SURE.

>> DO YOU WANT IT NOW? >> YES.

>> BASED ON HIS YEARS OF SERVICE WITH THE COUNTY, HE WARNS TO BE MOVED ALONG IN THE PROCESS ON PARITY WITH THE OTHER APPLICANTS CONSIDERED APPLICABLE . I'M NOT SAYING QUALIFICATIONS BUT THE QUESTION . THE Q&A PORTION OF THE

INTERVIEW PROCESS. >> I WILL MAKE SURE WE SEND THAT. ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS ANYBODY THEY WANT TO --

>> I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT. THAT IS WELL RESPECTED .

I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE DOWN THE TRACK THAT AS WE REVIEW THESE APPLICATIONS, YOU SHOULD REACH OUT TO HR AND PULL THOSE AND HR CAN THEN CONTACT US AND LET THEM KNOW WHO ELSE HAS BEEN REQUESTED. I THINK THAT IS FAIR. THEY ARE PART OF THE PROCESS. THAT IS HOW I WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE IT. QUITE

FRANKLY, I AM NOT FOCUSED -- >> I AGREE WITH YOU.

>> I NEED TO GO BACK TO COMMISSIONER GAINES . I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE TIMING. MY COMMITMENT IS TO GO THROUGH THESE 75 APPLICATIONS TO INCLUDE NONQUALIFIED THAT ARE THERE. I WAS THE COMMISSIONER THAT ASKED FOR US TO LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO HIRE AN EXECUTIVE SEARCH FIRM TO NOT ONLY -- WE HAVE ALREADY DONE A NATIONWIDE SEARCH. IT HAS

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WE WILL GO BACK AND FORTH IN THE PUBLIC SO EVERYONE CAN SEE WHO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION.

FAREWELL. >> IS THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS UNDERSTANDING? ALL WE ARE GOING TO DO ON TUESDAY IS PICK A DAY AND TIME. EVERYBODY IS UNDERSTANDING? YEAH.

>> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. I WILL ADD THAT TO THE AGENDA FOR TUESDAY SIMPLY TO PICK A TIMELINE DATE FOR INTERVIEWS.

WHAT I WOULD SAY TOO -- OR SORRY, TO PICK YOUR SHORT LIST FOR INTERVIEWS, I APOLOGIZE, WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR TIMELINE TO INTERVIEW THE KIND OF PICKING WHO YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW, WHEN YOU WANT TO DO INTERVIEWS AND WHEN YOU WANT TO COME BACK TO ADDRESS YOUR INTERVIEWS AND DECISIONS AT THAT POINT.

>> LAY OUT THE PROCESS FROM THEN ON .

>> YES, THAT IS THE REQUEST FOR TUESDAY SO WE CAN NAIL DOWN EVERYTHING AND WE ALL KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING AND WHEN WE

ARE DOING IT. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY BACK ON ADDING NAMES. DID YOU SAY WHAT YOU THOUGHT WE SHOULD DO IS IF WE WANT TO ADD NAMES, WE WOULD DO IT ONE-ON-ONE WITH HR? IS

THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK WOULD LOOK THROUGH AND ELEVATE CHRIS DABROWSKI TO THAT. WHAT THEY HAVE ASKED US TO DO, AS WE LOOK AT THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO DID NOT MAKE A QUALIFIED LIST, IF WE WANT TO ELEVATE SOMEONE FROM THERE, THAT IS CERTAINLY THE PREROGATIVE THAT WE CAN DO THAT. TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 20 -- 25 BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE SET AS THE CRITERIA AND ALL 25 HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT THE QUESTIONNAIRE. WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE, THE APPLICANTS THAT HAVE HIT THE POOL OF NOT BEING QUALIFIED BASED ON THAT, IF WE SEE SOME NAMES THERE WHICH YOU HAVE AN ELEVATED ONE, THAT IS PUBLIC. I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE LIST SO I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE IS IN THERE, RIGHT? I WILL EMAIL SORENSEN AND SAY, HEY, I WANT TO ELEVATE XYZ AND HE WILL DO THAT AND NOTIFY THE COMMISSION IN A COMMUNICATION.

>> I WANTED TO CHECK WITH MS. HEDGES. DOES THAT PROCESS -- ARE WE DOING ALL OF THAT IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY?

>> MADAM MAYOR, MY REQUEST WOULD BE ANY COMMUNICATIONS OF APPLICANTS COME DIRECTLY TO ME AND I CAN SPEAK WITH HR TO BE IN LINE WITH OUR CHARTER PROVISIONS BUT I THINK A MORE

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>> I AM FINE WITH THAT. >> THAT IS A FOUR OR FIVE DAY DELAY WITH THOSE. THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.

>> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

>> GO AHEAD. >> I GUESS I WANT TO START WITH THE NATIONAL SEARCH. I JUST WANT TO BE ON RECORD IN THIS MEETING TO SAY I AM NOT IN SUPPORT THIS LATE IN THE GAME SUPPORTING A NATIONAL SEARCH. I THINK IT IS AN UNDUE COST TO THE CITY. I THINK WE'VE GOT A VERY QUALIFIED POOL OF APPLICANTS. AS FOR THE FIRST LIST, I READ EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM ON A SHORT LIST. I HAVE READ THROUGH THE NEW ONES AND I'VE ADJUSTED MY SHORTLIST ACCORDINGLY. I AM CONFIDENT IN THE POOL THAT WE HAVE AND I AM EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMEONE ON THAT LIST . THE TIMING AND JUST -- YOU KNOW, NOT TO BRING UP THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM BUT THE REASON WE ARE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS WEIGHING HEAVY ON THAT DECISION AND THE QUICKER WE GET SOMEONE IN THIS TRANSITION PERIOD WE ARE IN, THE RENAISSANCE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS IN, IN CHANGE OF LEADERSHIP, AND BECAUSE OF HOW THE LAST CITY MANAGER EXITED THE BUILDING, IT IS IMPORTANT TO EMPLOYEES AND THE PUBLIC THAT WE GET SOMEONE IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION PERMANENTLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE IN THE LIST WE HAVE SO FAR AND I AM PERFECTLY HAPPY PICKING SOMEONE FROM THAT LIST THAT CAN GET US THROUGH THIS TRANSITIONAL PERIOD. TO SAVE TIME IN ECHOING COMMISSIONERS , COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE COMMISSIONER SENT THE QUESTIONNAIRE SO I CAN REVIEW HIS AS WELL. THAT IS MY OPINION AS YOU SAY . I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN FOR THE APPLICANTS, BUT I AM MORE CONCERNED -- I AM ALSO CONCERNED WITH THAT, BUT I AM LOOKING AT THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THAT IS WHO I AM HERE TO REPRESENT AND WE NEED A LEADER AND WE NEED SOMEONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. THE LONGER WE DO THAT THE LONGER THIS WOUND CONTINUES TO STAY OPEN AND WE CANNOT DO THAT UNTIL A LEADER IS IN PLACE SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT OPINION KNOWN AND I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK IN THIS AND I AM EXCITED TO GET GOING ON THE

INTERVIEWS. >> I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COMMISSION . THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. BECAUSE I WAS OVER HERE CRINGING. I KNOW MADAME ATTORNEY SAW ME OVER HERE CRINGING. WHEN WE SAID WE WOULD PICK NAMES AND SEND NAMES TO HR, OR SEND NAMES TO MADAME ATTORNEY WITHOUT DOING IT IN A PUBLIC ACCESS, I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR HERE. WE HAVE TO BE TRANSPARENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE DO AND IF YOU ARE SITTING IN ONE OF THESE SEATS AND YOU FEEL SOMEONE IS NOT ON THE QUALIFIED LIST NEED THE QUESTIONNAIRE OR NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED, YOU NEED TO SAY IT IN A PUBLIC MEETING SO EVERYONE KNOWS HOW THAT PERSON GOT OFF THAT LIST AND WHEN WE HAVE OUR MEETING, WE WON'T HAVE 40 PEOPLE STANDING UP THERE SIGNING UP IN THE AUDIENCE SAYING, WELL, HOW DID THIS PERSON MOVE FROM THIS LIST? I'M GLAD WE GOT OFFERED THAT BECAUSE -- I SAT DOWN, MADAME ATTORNEY. I AM GLAD WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP EVERYTHING ON THE UP AND UP AND IF YOU FEEL THAT SOMEONE DIDN'T GET A CHANCE, GET IT FROM THE PUBLIC. GET IT FROM THE PUBLIC SO EVERYONE KNOWS

WHERE IT CAME FROM. >> JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT AND REITERATE , I KNOW WE HAVE SAID THIS A MILLION TIMES, BUT THE APPLICANT LIST IS 75. HR DECIDED BASED ON

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WE SIT. >> NO ONE HAS BEEN DISQUALIFIED. EXCEPT FOR THE TWO THAT VOLUNTARILY LEFT, EVERYONE IS JUST AS EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO GET THIS JOB AS ANYONE ELSE. IT HAS BEEN A FAIR PROCESS AND VERY CLEAR ABOUT

THAT. >> THEY ALL MET THE DEADLINE.

WE DID NOT EXTEND THE DEADLINE. WITH EVERYONE TREATED FAIRLY

AND TRANSPARENTLY. >> COMMISSIONER, I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT. I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE DON'T SAY WHAT WE ARE THINKING SOMETIMES IT NEEDS TO BE SAID.

JUST SIT HERE LONG ENOUGH BY ME AND YOU WILL. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WE -- WELL, I AM GLAD YOU SAID THAT. I JUST DIDN'T READ THE QUALIFIED I WAS GIVEN. I READ THE WHOLE BINDER FROM STAFF . THEY TOOK THE TIME TO PUT THIS BOOK IN FRONT OF US AND THE APPLICANTS TOOK THEIR TIME TO SUBMIT THIS STUFF. I READ IT. I WOKE UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND READ SOME MORE AND WENT BACK TO SLEEP. I WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING I WAS GIVEN TODAY, THAT I WILL READ AND DO WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO OVER THE WEEKEND. I WANT TO DO MY OWN SEARCHES. COME TUESDAY, COME TUESDAY, I WILL BE, YOU KNOW, READY TO GIVE NAMES. SO, IF SOMEONE SEES ME MONDAY AND I'M NOT WAVING, I MIGHT BE READING ON MY PHONE OR READING ONE OF THESE APPLICATIONS FOR TUESDAY. I KNOW THIS SOUNDS FUNNY BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I WILL WAIVE AT THE PARADE BUT IF YOU SEE ME ON MY PHONE, I'M NOT PLAYING A GAME. I AM GOING

THROUGH THIS LIST. >> NOT WATCHING A GAME?

>> I SAY THIS BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOMETIMES THE AIR IN THE ROOM IS THICK. EVERYBODY WANTS US TO DO THE RIGHT JOB. WE WANT TO DO THE RIGHT JOB. WE ARE GOING TO DO THE RIGHT JOB AND I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE ALL SAID, THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DECISIONS THE FIVE OF US ARE GOING TO MAKE MAYBE IN OUR TENURE. THAT PERSON THAT WE PICK COULD BE SITTING IN THAT SEAT WHEN WE ARE SITTING OVER THERE. AND SO, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IT SERIOUS BUT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT NOTHING IS GOING TO BE DONE UNDER THE TABLE IF I AM SITTING HERE. YOU GUYS SHOULD KNOW ME BY NOW. I GET THE LOOKS AND EVERYONE LOOKS AT ME. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WHEN WE PICK THIS PERSON, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE BEST PERSON TO TAKE US OUT OF THE RENAISSANCE. I KEEP USING YOUR WORDS. TAKE US OUT OF THE RENAISSANCE WE ARE IN RIGHT NOW. THAT IS MY JOB, WHAT I WAS ELECTED TO DO, AND WHAT I WILL DO. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

>> I HAVE ONE FINAL COMMENT. EVERYONE HAS CHIMED IN ON THIS NATIONAL SEARCH ISSUE AND I HAVE NOT COMMENTED YET SO I FEEL I SHOULD BE ON THE RECORD. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GAINES, AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. YOU ARE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THEORY HERE. IF WE COME OUT ON THE BACKSIDE OF THIS POOL OF CANDIDATES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US NOT SATISFIED WITH THE RESULTS, NOT 110% OF THOSE PEOPLE POSITION IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE NATIONAL SEARCH BECOMES A MUCH MORE IMPORTANT MATTER AT THAT TIME. GAINES, I AGREE WITH YOU. TAYLOR, I AGREE WITH YOU. WE HAVE A POOL OF CANDIDATES WE WILL BE ABLE TO SELECT A CANDIDATE FROM BUT IF NOT I AM PREPARED TO MOVE

FORWARD WITH A NATIONAL SEARCH. >> I -- I UNDERSTAND WHAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING. I GUESS I HAVE A FEELING THAT IF YOU ARE A CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS JOB. YOU KNOW IT'S OPEN.

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