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>> YES PRINT >> COMMISSIONER CURTIS JOHNSON

PRINT >> YES, MA'AM PRINT

>> COMMISSIONER JAMES TAYLOR. >> YES. MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES PRINT >> THE NEXUS COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON ITEMS NOT REQUIRING A PUBLIC HEARING

>> WE HAVE ONE SIGN UP. MICHAEL, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE THE NAME AND ADDRESS. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU WILL GET A

10 SECOND WARNING. >> I AM MOVING AT LIGHTNING SPEED TODAY, SORRY.

>> ARE YOU LOOKING FOR SYMPATHY?

>> STAFF. MICHAEL CHOCOLATE, FOR THE RECORD. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT 11 B PUT I JUST RECEIVED A PHONE CALL FROM THE -- AS IT PERTAINS TO LITTLE JIM BAIT AND TACKLE. SHOULD I MAKE ALL OF MY

COMMENTS NOW, I GUESS? YEAH? >> THERE IS NO FURTHER TIME FOR

PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY, NO PROBLEM. BASICALLY, THIS IS BEEN ONGOING FOR MANY YEARS. BASED ON THE DOCUMENTATION I HAVE SEEN ONLINE, THERE APPEARS TO BE A FEW THINGS THAT MAY BE CHANGED, DEPENDING ON HOW THE FUTURE RFP OCCURS WHICH WILL BE COMING UP SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO GO BACK OUT FOR THE LEASE AND ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS IN ALL THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I WAS THINKING THAT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE , TO A MINIMUM, TABLE. OR POTENTIALLY NOT APPROVE IT AT ALL. THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THE INTERRUPTION OF THIS WORK THAT WILL TAKE PLACE. SO NOW YOU END UP WITH POTENTIALLY MULTIPLE PHASES OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL HAPPEN.

POTENTIALLY, AGAIN, IT IMPACTS THEM IN THE CURRENT LEASE, RIGHT? IT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME COLOR TO IT, SOME CONSIDERATION , THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM. IN RESPECT OF THAT. THAT TOOK ALL MY TIME UP AND I WILL TAKE THE SYMPATHY NOW. NO, I AM

JUST GETTING PRINT >>

>> I APPRECIATE THAT. I PERCEIVE WE ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING MONEY THAT WE WILL TURN BACK UP AND REDOING A DIFFERENT METHOD, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ULTIMATE OUTCOME OF THE BOARD SELECTION IS BEEN THAT IS IN THE FUTURE SO IT IS HARD TO SAY WHAT THAT WOULD BE. I AM ONLY HERE TRYING TO HELP OUT. AND TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL TAKING THE RIGHT STEP FORWARD IN SPENDING THE TAX DOLLARS THE BEST WE CAN. ULTIMATELY, IT IS ALL OF HER

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

MONEY, RIGHT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND WE APPRECIATE

THE TIME. THANK YOU PRINT >> THANK YOU, SURFER THAT

COMPLETES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT

AGENDA. >> OKAY BUT ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT ANY COMMISSIONER WOULD LIKE TO PULL?

>> MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM 11 B. 11 B.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> MAYOR? AND 11D AS IN DOG.

>> AND I WOULD LIKE TO PULL E. >> IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR?

>> A MOTION FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT AGENDA NOT BEING

PULLED. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK PRINT

>> YES PRINT >> COMMISSIONER GAINES PRINT

[b. Approval of a Lump Sum Construction Contract with Remnant Construction, LLC, Fort Pierce, FL, to provide general contractor services for floodproofing the non-residential structure known as Little Jim Bait & Tackle, for Bid No. 2024-004.]

>> YES PRINT >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

>> YES PRINT >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES. >> THE NEXT IS THE LUMP SUM OF THE UNIT PRICE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT -- TO MAKE BEFORE WE

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GOT GOING, THIS ITEM, I HAVE HAD EXCESSIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. I DO HAVE A POTENTIAL TUTOR CONFLICT WITH LITTLE JIM BAIT AND TACKLE BASED ON MY EMPLOYER. I'M GOING TO BE RECUSING MYSELF ON THIS ITEM AND I WILL STEP AWAY FROM THE DAIS

DURING THAT DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS A COMPLEX ISSUE. I'M GLAD DIRECTOR THOMAS IS HERE TONIGHT. I UNDERSTAND THAT A PERMIT HAS BEEN OVERSEEING THE SPECIFICATIONS AND BIDDING PROCESS FOR THIS. AND I'M GOING TO COME OF IT IS OKAY, I WILL HAVE YOU KINDA PAINT THE PICTURE HERE. AND THEN I WILL INTERVENE LATER ON WITH ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IF THAT IS OKAY WITH YOU?

>> I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO UNDERSTAND IS REALLY WHAT A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN REALLY IS, AND WHAT IT IS INTENDED TO ACCOMPLISH. IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE TO HAVE A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN IN PLACE. NOT PERSONAL, PROFESSIONAL. A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN AFFECTS JUST THE STRUCTURES. SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SITE AT ALL. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE. IN THIS CASE , THE STRUCTURE IS NOT VERY LARGE.

BUT IN ESSENCE, WHAT YOU ARE ACCOMPLISHING IS YOU MODIFY YOUR BUILDING SUCH THAT WHATEVER THE FLOOD ELEVATION IS, ON THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING , YOU RAISE YOUR ELECTRICAL OUTLETS.

WE USE COATINGS AND MATERIALS THAT ARE WATERPROOF AND WATER RESISTANT, SUCH THAT IF YOU DO HAVE A FLOOD IN THE BUILDING AND IT IS INUNDATED, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CREATE DAMAGE INSIDE.

AND THEN YOU CAN JUST SWEEP UP THE MUD OR WHATEVER IT IS AND GO BACK TO WORK. THE MAJOR ADVANTAGE OF CONDUCTING A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN ARE HAVING THAT WORK DONE IS THAT YOU FINISH THE WORK , AND ONCE THE ENGINEER WHO DESIGNED THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN, BECAUSE THIS IS AN ENGINEERING PLAN, ONCE HE CERTIFIES THAT THE WORK HAS BEEN DONE UP TO THE SUPPLICATIONS OF FEMA, ONCE THAT IS REPORTED TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA ENERGY MANAGEMENT . IF YOU HAVE A HURRICANE AND THERE'S A FLOOD, IF YOU HAVE A FIRE AND THE BUILDING IS COMPLETELY DESTROYED, OR IF YOU HAVE A TORNADO AND IT HAS BLOWN OVER.

WHATEVER IT IS, YOU CAN COME RIGHT BACK IMMEDIATELY, FULL BIDDING PERMITS, MAKE REPAIRS. GET BACK TO WORK BUT IF YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT IS IN A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA OR A FLOOD ZONE AND YOU DO NOT HAVE A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN IN PLACE, IF YOU HAVE ANY OF THOSE MAJOR EVENTS, THEN FEMA SAYS YOU CANNOT EVEN PULL A BUILDING PERMIT UNTIL YOU HAVE THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN.

YOU HAVE TO MITIGATE YOUR RISK. >> THIS BEING A CITY PROPERTY , I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN BECAUSE IT REALLY PROTECTS THE CITY'S INTERESTS AND PROTECTS THE PROPRIETOR AS WELL. IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO HAVE A BUSINESS THERE, YOU COULD BE OUT OF BUSINESS FOR SIX MONTHS TRYING TO GET AN ENGINEER AND TRYING TO GET A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN DRAWN UP. WHEREAS NOW, YOU JUST PULL YOUR PERMITS, GET A CONTRACTOR, YOU GO BACK TO WORK.

IT IS A HUGE PROTECTION. >>

>> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS CITED THIS PROPERTY AND CITING THE CITY FOR UNDERTAKING IMPROVEMENTS CONDUCTED BY THE TENANTS. BUT ALSO FOR THE PROPERTY WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION FROM THE -- OF THE CITY. THE CITY WAS FORCED TO NOTICE THEM OF THESE FAILURES. THE SCOPE OF WORK YOU ARE DETAILING HERE DOES NOT SOUND LIKE IT INCLUDES THE PARTICULAR ISSUES. IN ADDITION , IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE FACILITIES WILL BE BUILT AT SOME POINT IN TIME ON THE PROPERTY BUT I'M NOT SURE WHO IS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT. IS THAT ALSO INCORPORATED INTO THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN SO COMING OUT OF THE GATE, THOSE ARE ALREADY IN THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN?

>> I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION IN TWO PARTS. SO IT WAS DETERMINED THE WAY THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN DISCUSSION HIM ABOUT WAS THAT THERE WAS WORK THAT WAS DONE . THE PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED WITHOUT PERMITS . WHEN THEY CAME TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WE DID AN INVESTIGATION AND MADE OUR CITATIONS. IT WAS DETERMINED THAT SINCE IT WAS CITY PROPERTY, SINCE IT WAS IN THE BEST INTEREST TO HAVE A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN DRAWN, AT THE SAME TIME, THE SAME ENGINEER

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WOULD TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THE OTHER VIOLATIONS OF THE UNPERMITTED WORK, ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT HAD BEEN DONE.

THE ENGINEER WHO DREW THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN ALSO INCLUDED THAT WORK ON THE SAME PLAN. SO IT IS REALLY, THERE IS A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN PORTION, BUT THERE IS ALSO , YOU KNOW, FOR THE DECK AND THE AWNING OUT THERE, AND DIFFERENT ASPECTS.

OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW HOW MUCH IT HAS GROWN.

THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS THAT ARE THERE BUT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN OCCUPANT BASED OFF OF YOUR SEATS . THEN YOU KNOW HOW MANY HANDICAP PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED. YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED FIRE SPRINKLERS ARE NOT. YOU ALSO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU NEED, HOW MANY RESTROOM STALLS. ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THEY ARE CONNECTED TO YOUR OCCUPANT LOAD.

SO THE OCCUPANT LOAD IS ASSIGNED TO THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN BECAUSE EVERYTHING, ALL OF THE IMPROVEMENTS , INCREASE THE OCCUPANT LOAD BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THOSE ISSUES SO MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE RESTROOMS. SO ON THIS PLAN THAT INCLUDES LOVE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN, THE ACTUAL ENGINEERED DRAWINGS FOR THE RESTROOM WERE NOT INCLUDED. BUT THEY WERE ON THE SITE PLAN, IT IS LOCATED WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE OR WILL BE. THE REASON IT WAS DONE THAT WAY IS RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO PLUMBING.

THERE IS A DIRECTIONAL BOARD THAT SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING TO GO UNDER THE LAGOON TO ATTACH TO THE PLUMBING , EXACTLY . SO UNTIL THAT HAPPENED, IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE TO DRAW A PLAN UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE WITH MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT BUT POTENTIALLY, THAT PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION, THE RESTROOMS, WILL BE COMING AT A LATER DATE.

>> OKAY BUT I KNOW I'M KIND OF TAKING A CIRCUIT TO ROUTE TO GET WHERE I'M GOING. PLEASE BEAR WITH ME. THE COST OF THIS TIRE RECONSTRUCTION? YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER?

>> I SIGNED THE PAPERWORK THAT IT WAS ABOUT $266,000.

>> OKAY. SO I THINK THAT COMES BACK TO THIS BODY TO SUGGEST WE HAVE A BIT OF A UNIQUE SITUATION IN THAT WE ARE THE LANDLORD.

CITY OF FORT PIECE. WE HAVE A CONTRACTED TENANT IN THE SPACE.

WE ARE LOOKING TO GO OUT TO RFP. COULD BE THE SAME PERSON AGAIN OR ANOTHER ENTITY, SOMEBODY WE DO NOT KNOW. THE QUESTION BEGS TO BE ASKED. WHY ARE WE ABSORBING THIS COST IF A FAIR AMOUNT OF THE WORK TO PUT THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION WAS CONDUCTED BY THE TENANT, IN VIOLATION OF THEIR LEASE? THIS MAY NOT BE THE POINT OF VIEW, HONESTLY, BUT I AM CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE ARE PICKING UP A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF COST? THE MITIGATION MAY BE A PORTION OF THAT COST, BUT FIXING THE VIOLATIONS THAT WERE UNDERTAKEN BY THE TENANT, THAT WAS NOT US.

SO I AM NOT SURE IF THAT FALLS IN YOUR JURISDICTION, PAUL? WHAT

ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT? >> WELL -- I SHARE YOUR SENTIMENTS. I ACTUALLY WAS IN THE ROOM WHERE IT HAPPENED WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE. OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER MADE THAT DETERMINATION.

THAT IS HOW WE CAME TO THAT DETERMINATION. IT WAS HIS .

>> I GET IT, RIGHT? I GUESS THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO, IS THAT THE PATH YOU WANT TO TAKE? THAT IS A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS. I DO NOT HAVE A SEGREGATION AS TO FLOOD MITIGATION IS X PORTION OF THAT BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET AROUND THAT BUT BUT MODIFICATIONS, DIRECT THEM OF NON-PERMITTED MODIFICATIONS THAT WERE MADE INCORRECTLY THAT WE HAVE TO GO AND CLEAN UP. WELL, WITH THE BENEFICIARY OF THAT?

WHY ARE WE SPENDING THAT MONEY? >> I GET IT WAS A CITY-OWNED ASSET, BUT THE CURRENT TENANT THE BENEFICIARY? IS THE PROPOSED TENANT THAT WINS BACK THE RFP, THAT THE BENEFICIARY? OR IS IT TRULY THE CITY AS IT IS OUR ASSET? THAT IS THE QUESTION I WAS STRUGGLING WITH BUT I DO NOT EXPECT AN ANSWER FROM YOU, PAUL.

THAT WAS A DECISION THAT WAS ME. I GET IT. I IT BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD A BITE AT THIS.

>> SO THE SPEAKER TALKED ABOUT THE FACT WE COULD BE RAISING TAX DOLLARS HERE. SO YOU SEE THAT AS A POSSIBILITY? I THINK WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WAS IN THE FUTURE, WHOEVER WON THE RFP

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MIGHT BE DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD UNDO SOME OF THIS.

>> META-MAYOR, I THINK , I WILL SEE IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT AND VALUABLE TO COMPLETE THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN. BECAUSE THAT PROTECTS THE STRUCTURE THE

STRUCTURE BELONGS TO THE CITY. >> THAT IS ONLY PART OF WHAT

THIS IS, RIGHT? >> EXACTLY. I JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF MY PERSONAL OPINION. AFTER AN I WILL BE VERY CAREFUL.

>> YEAH, AND I DO NOT MEAN TO PUT THAT IN YOUR BAD -- IN THAT BAD SITUATION. WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE UNDONE IF IT COULD BE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS. BUT ALSO , CURES AND OTHER PARTS TO THAT. IF WE DO NOT FIX THOSE OTHER THINGS, WHAT IS THE FUTURE? WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US?

>> RIGHT. >> YEAH, YEAH.

>> SO CONDUCTING AND COMPLETING THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN FOR THE STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS NOW. WANT TO COMPLETE A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN, IT BASICALLY STAYS INTACT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE LIFE OF THAT STRUCTURE. SO IF YOU MODIFY THE BUILDING, ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE BUILDING.

>> WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT CONSTRUCTING ANYTHING NEW OR ANYTHING ELSE . THOSE ARE SEPARATE BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MODIFY THE STRUCTURE THAT HAS A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN, YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FLOOD MITIGATION CONTINUES.

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE STIPULATED FOR ANY PERMITS I WOULD COME FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. SO IT REALLY DOES NOT PRESENT A PROBLEM. IT IS A WASTE OF MONEY MY PENNANT TO DO A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN AT THIS POINT ? THERE'D BE WORKED ON IN THE FUTURE. NO, BECAUSE HE WOULD STILL CONTINUE IT AND YOU ARE PROTECTING THE BUILDING NOW. HURRICANE SEASON IS JUST SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, I THINK IT IS NOT A WASTE OF MONEY.

COMING THE WORK THAT IS NON-FLOOD MITIGATION RELATED, YOU KNOW, THAT IS A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL FLOOD MITIGATION WORK, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AS A WHOLE.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON . >> SO AS I READ THE PACKET, I SAW THE RFP. 266,000 AS WAS ALREADY STATED BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, PORTION OF THAT WILL INCLUDE THE CORRECTION OF THE CITATION. SO SIMILAR BETWEEN OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, DECODE, ET CETERA, AM ABLE TO LEARN EXACTLY WHAT WAS ACTUALLY TICKETED, FIND? WHERE ARE WE WITH THE CURRENT APPLICANT WHO PERFORMED A LEGAL CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AT THIS SITE TO UNDERSTAND HOW HAVE THEY BEEN -- BASICALLY, PINPOINTED FOR THE AIR THEY ARE COMMITTING? CAN I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE DOCUMENTATION IS BEHIND

THAT? IS THAT CLEAR? >> THE WORK THAT IS BEING CONDUCTED NOW , THERE IS , THE CONTRACTOR IS BEEN SELECTED

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WORK THEY DID THAT WAS ILLEGAL . THE BUILDING CODE WENT OUT AND BASICALLY FIND THEM FOR THIS,

RIGHT? >> WELL, WE DID NOT FIND. WE DETERMINED WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THE ENGINEER DRAW THE CORRECTIONS FOR IT.

SO THE PLAN , WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO APPROVE THIS EVENING WILL ACCOMMODATE ALL THE MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. THAT WAS THE DETERMINATION. YES, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THERE WAS WORK THAT WAS DONE THAT WAS NON-FLOOD MITIGATION RELATED. BUT IT WAS DETERMINED WE WOULD HAVE THE ONE ENGINEER DRAW ONE PLAN AND FIX EVERYTHING ON-SITE. SO WAS THE PROPERTIES CITED FOR WORK THAT WAS NOT PERMITTED? THE ANSWER IS YES BUT CAN WE GET YOU THAT INFORMATION? YES BUT IN ESSENCE, THE CORRECTIONS ARE INVOLVED WITH WHAT IS BEING APPROVED TONIGHT. CODE ENFORCEMENT HAD OTHER CITATIONS FOR DIFFERENT

TRAILERS AND DIFFERENT ASPECTS . >> I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON THE CONSTRUCTION PART. THAT CONCERNS ME WHEN YOU HAVE A CITY ASSET.

WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM AND WORK WAS DONE TO MODIFY A SPACE THAT THEY ARE LEASING FROM THE CITY. SO I THINK THE PART , THAT THE MAYOR JUST BROUGHT UP IS CONCERNING TO ME.

WE NOW HAVE, WE ARE GETTING READY TO PUT A RFP ON THE STREET FOR THIS TOTAL LEVEL OF SERVICES . TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, BASED ON, MAYBE THIS IS THE PLANNING QUESTION. THE FUTURISTIC ASK

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FROM A TENANT, THAT GOES THROUGH A PROCESS THE CITY HAS APPROVED.

IF I WANT TO BE THERE AND TO MODIFY SOMETHING, I WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT THOSE PLANS TO MR. FREEMAN AND WORK THROUGH THIS COMMISSION, RIGHT? IT IS HISTORICALLY PROTECTED. I GUESS BASED ON THE SPEAKER AND CONCERN IS I DO NOT LIKE TRYING TO AND BACK BUT I WANT TO GET IT RIGHT. WHAT WE CURRENTLY ARE PERMITTED BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THE SEWER, WHAT ANY OF THAT AFFECT ANYTHING THERE THAT IS CURRENTLY MAYBE BEING PLANNED? THAT COULD INCLUDE THE MITIGATION, AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION. WITH THAT CAUSE ANY FURTHER CHANGES OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE THAT WOULD RESULT IN A WRITE BACK OR AN UP CHARGE TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE?

>> TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT WOULD NOT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DRAWN IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN. THE PERMITTED WORK IN THE FUTURE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF RESTROOMS, AND IS LOCATED ON A PLAN AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

IT IS THERE. THERE'S A PAPER THAT SAYS THIS IS WHERE EVERYTHING IS PROPOSED TO BE AND SHOULD BE. THINGS CONTINUE TO CHANGE ON-SITE. THAT BEING SAID, -- TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES COULD RESULT IN A CHANGE ORDER WHICH I'M TRYING TO NOT HAVE, RIGHT? BASED ON WHERE WE ARE NOW, WE WOULD SAY THE BATHROOMS ARE GOING TO GO IN, ET CETERA. IT IS BEEN AGREED UPON BECAUSE WE ARE THE -- I GUESS. SO AT THAT POINT, THEY ARE THE LESSEE WHEN IT COMES TO THIS BIG LAST PART.

>> MAYOR HUDSON? >> YES, MA'AM?

>> I THINK WHAT HE IS REFERRING TO IS WE HAD NEW VIOLATIONS .

>> NEW STAFF. >> LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. ARE WE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE PROPERTY? THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MANAGING THE PROPERTY? ARE THEY AWARE OF THESE VIOLATIONS?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> SO IS THE 266,000 FOR EVERYTHING, OR JUST FOR THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN ?

>> FOR MY KNOWLEDGE, IT WOULD BE FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE IT IS ONE

PLAN. >> DO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE BETWEEN THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN AND THE WHOLE

THING? >> UNFORTUNATELY, I DO NOT. I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION AND PROVIDE IT TO YOU.

>> MAYOR MADAME? >> YES?

>> I APOLOGIZE TO THE COMMISSIONERS. ONE THING I WOULD ASK DIRECTOR THOMAS TO EXPLAIN. IF THIS FLOODPLAIN MITIGATION GOES FORWARD, GETS APPROVED BY THE STATE, A FUTURE BETTER ON AN RFP, DOES THAT TIE THEIR HANDS AS TO WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THE PROPERTY? MANY DO I HAVE TO STAY WITHIN WHAT IS APPROVED IN THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN? AND THEN CAN THEY MODIFY THAT IN ANY WAY? WHAT IS THAT PROCESS?

>> MAYOR MADAME, COMMISSIONERS WOULD ONCE YOU HAVE THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN IN PLACE, THAT IS LAW. THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT WOULD BE IS IF THE FLOOD LEVEL RISES AND YOU HAD TO GET A HIGHER MARK BUT IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND SAYS, WE WANT TO KNOCK OUT A WALL AND WE WANT TO BUILD A KITCHEN WE WANT TO MODIFY THE SPACE IN ANY WAY, THEY WILL HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE RULES THAT ARE IN PLACE.

IF THEY DETERMINE WE WANT TO BUILD A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE THAT DOES NOT TOUCH THE BUILDING THAT IS IN PLACE NOW BUT IF THEY ARE NOT REALLY GOING TO REMODEL OR MODIFY, THEN YOUR FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN IS ONLY FOR THE BUILDING THAT EXISTS AT PRESENT.

AND IN A BUILDING OR THE NEWER STRUCTURES WOULD BE BUILT TO THE CURRENT FLOOD STANDARDS. THAT'S BASED ON ELEVATIONS AT THAT

TIME. >> PUTTING THIS IN PLACE NOW REQUIRE SOMEONE TO FOLLOW IT IN THE FUTURE?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> IS A POSSIBLE THIS CAN BE DONE AS PART OF THE RFP PROCESS AND REQUIRED OF THE WINNING

BIDDER? >> IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, I THINK THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH IT WOULD BE TO PUT IT IN THE CONTRACTED LEASE. IF YOU'RE GOING TO LEASE THIS PROPERTY AND YOU INTEND TO MODIFY IT, BE MADE AWARE THERE IS A FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN. BY LAW, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, ALONG WITH YOUR PLAN FOR CONSTRUCTION AND MODIFICATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU CAN MODIFY IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO MODIFY IT AND IT MUST FIT IN WITH FLOOD MITIGATION RULES AND RESTRICTIONS. OKAY. COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES, MAYOR MADAME. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MONEY WAS LAST YEAR. THEY GAVE US THE WHOLE 30

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OR 40 MINUTE THING.

I KNOW IT IS MANDATORY. AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, I QUESTIONED THESE NEW FLOODPLAINS IN THESE NEW AREAS AND WHERE THEY COME FROM. THAT IS NOT THE DISCUSSION.

THIS , I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BUT I UNDERSTAND IT IS OUR PROPERTY. BUT MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, I AM HAVING A SERIOUS PROBLEM RIGHT NOW BECAUSE HOW CAN WE OPEN UP THIS PANDORA'S BOX? WE HAVE VIOLATIONS. WE ARE ABOUT TO SPEND TAXPAYER MONEY ON STUFF WE DID NOT DO. WE DID NOT DO. IF WE APPROVE THIS WITHOUT ANY TYPE OF THE MITIGATION OF WHAT THE FLOODPLAIN IS GOING TO CAUSE, WHAT THE OTHER CONSTRUCTION IS GOING TO COST, BASED ON THE PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE WITHOUT PERMIT, WHAT IS GOING TO STOP ANOTHER PERSON THAT WE FIND IN THE SITUATION WHERE WE ALSO HAVE TO COME AND DO SOME FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE IT IS OUR PROPERTY FROM DOING THE SAME THNG ? I DO NOT THINK IT IS FAIR TO THE TAXPAYERS. WE MAKE EVERYBODY THAT COMES IN HERE FOLLOW THE RULES. IF YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF A PERMIT, OR TELLING THE PEOPLE TO GO OUT , OUR EMPLOYEES TO GO OUT AND SERVE THEM. I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM JUST TURNING A BLIND EYE TO SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE ILLEGALLY. IT IS A WHOLE CONTRACT THAT SAYS WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DONE AND IT WAS NOT FOLLOWED. SO I WAS NOT IN THE ROOM. WHEN THEY SAID WHATEVER THIS WAS AND WHERE WAS GOING TO BE. I WAS NOT IN THE ROOM. RIGHT NOW, I HAVE A CHANCE TO NOT HAVE TAXPAYERS PAY MONEY FOR SOMETHING THEY DID NOT DO.

SO I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT KNOWING THE BREAKDOWN. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT KNOWING WHAT PART OF THIS 266 , WHAT? 267

BECAUSE YOUR ROUNDING. >> I THINK IT WAS 266. 45.

>> OKAY. I CANNOT REMEMBER THE NUMBER. WHEN I SAW THE 266 , I KIND OF STOPPED AND I DO NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT THE OTHER PART OF IT. I JUST HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE, AS A LANDOWNER, WHERE REQUIRED TO DO , VERSUS WHAT WE ARE PAYING TO COVER UP WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE RULES. I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. SO I JUST THINK THAT NONE OF US WAS THERE BUT I WAS NOT THERE. I DON'T THINK NONE OF US WAS IN THE ROOM.

WHATEVER THAT DISCUSSION HAD. WE OWE IT TO THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO SAY , YOU KNOW, TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND AT LEAST TO KNOW THE NUMBER OUT THERE SO THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS. AND IF THEY WANT TO COME IN AND PAID, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT OF YOU AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T CARE. YOU KNOW THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT IS WHERE I AM AT RIGHT NOW BUT I JUST GOT PROBLEMS WITH THIS BECAUSE IF WE DO AT THIS TIME, WHAT JUSTIFICATION WILL WE HAVE WITH ANOTHER TENANT? WHEN THEY COME IN AND SAY, OH, YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE ME PAY, BUT YOU DID NOT MAKE THEM PAY. THAT IS

MY PROBLEM RIGHT NOW. >> AND I WANT TO FOLLOW-UP ON COMMISSIONER GAINES'S POINT. ONE OF MY, UNFORTUNATELY, LET ME REPHRASE THAT. ONE OF MY FAVORITE THEMES IS, THE CITY IS NOT GENERATING PROPER REVENUE STREAMS TO THE ASSET IT OWNS WILL COME BACK AND HAMMER THIS POINT UNTIL I DROP DEAD, I SWEAR. THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE TO YOUR ABOUT TO GO AND SPEND, INJURY, 109 REGIMENTAL INCOMES THAT COMES OUT OF THAT PROPERTY TO PAY FOR THIS ONE CONTRACT. NINE YEARS WORTH OF RENT TO COVER THE COST WOULD I'M A COMMERCIAL LETTER BY PROFESSION BUT MY BUSINESS WILL BE CLOSE IF I RAN AND MADE BUSINESS DECISIONS LIKE THAT BUT WE NEED TO START MAKING PROPER BUSINESS DECISIONS TO THE BENEFIT OF THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY WITHOUT FINANCIAL BURDEN THAT WILL GET SHIFTED TO THEM. WE NEED TO START DOING THAT. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER GAINES BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SEGREGATION OF THOSE NUMBERS BUT I THINK THE CONTRACT CAN PROVIDE THAT READILY FOR US WE CAN GET THIS SPUN BACK UP ON THE AGENDA PRETTY QUICKLY BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WARRANTED TO SEE THAT INFORMATION. AS A KIND OF BURDEN

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IS BEING SHIFTED TO OUTSIDE OF THE FLOOD MITIGATION PLAN.

>> YEAH, I HAVE NO DISAGREEMENT. THE FAILURES OF THE TENANT TO PULL PER PER PER MONTH AND GET PROPER DRAWINGS ON THINGS OF THIS NATURE THAT WE ARE GOING TO GO IN AND FIX? THAT MAKES NO SENSE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE NUMBERS SPECIFICALLY

>> I AM CONCERNED BUT I AGREE WITH YOU AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TIMING.

WE WANT THIS IN PLACE BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON.

>> MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, PREFERABLY, YES.

>> THIS NEEDS TO MOVE QUICKLY TO GET THE NUMBERS QUICKLY. I DO

NOT KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT. >> OKAY, OKAY.

>> GREAT. YES, SIR? >> CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION HERE?

>> IF YOU CAN DO IT QUICKLY. >> WE HAVE ENOUGH ADVERTISING AT THIS TIME, WE CAN NOTICE THIS. WE CAN, WHAT IS THE WORD I'M LOOKING FOR? WILL THE TO THE SECOND MEETING OF FEBRUARY. WE ARE STILL IN THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY. WILL THE TO OUR SECOND MEETING OF FEBRUARY. HAVING A DISCUSSION THAN WITH THE NUMBERS AND GO FROM THERE. I MEAN, FEAR NOT WASTING A WHOLE MONTH.

YOU'RE WASTING 13 DAYS, 14 DAYS, SOMETHIN LIKE THAT WE CAN

GET STARTED AND GO FROM THERE. >> I SAY -- WE CANNOT DO THAT IN

THAT TIMEFRAME. >> WE CAN REVISE THIS SERVICE JUST TO INCLUDE THE MITIGATION. WE CAN SEPARATE THOSE OUT AND

BRING IT BACK TO YOU. >> DOES THAT SOUND AREEABLE ?

>> I WILL ADD ANOTHER ITEM TO THIS WHAT I'M GOING TO RECAST FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT I READ THE LEASE DOCUMENT.

INAUDIBLE ] IT IS A BAD LEASE DOCUMENT. IT NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. I KNOW HE WILL REVISIT IT IN THE NEW RFP ROUTE AND WILL FIX A LOT OF THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS AS WELL. HAVING SAID THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT IS OUR RECOURSE ON THESE VIOLATIONS THAT SOMEBODY WILL HAVE TO CURE TO COMPEL THE EXISTING TENANT TO FIX? IF YOU COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND BRING THAT TO PAUL'S PRESENTATION, THAT WILL GIVE US THE FULL PICTURE OF WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT LET'S GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT AND DISPENSE WITH THIS.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE NEED A MOTION TO ENCOMPASS ALL THOSE THINGS WE

WANT. IS THAT CORRECT? >> NOW THAT I THINK IF THERE'S JUST A MOTION TO MOVE THIS TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH DATE, AND THEN UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION GIVEN OF WHAT YOU ALL WANT. JUST A MOTION TO MOVE THE ITEM TO THE SUBSEQUENT HEARING DATE .

>> IS NOT A TABLE? IS THAT A TABLE? IS THAT A TABLING TO

RIGHT DATE CERTAIN? >> IT IS NOT A TABLING. THE TABLING WHAT KIND OF KILLER, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. A MOTION TO MOVE IT TO THAT DATE WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE

>> I MAKE A MOTION WE MOVED ITEM 11 B TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING FOR MORE DISCUSSION BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE

HAD TONIGHT. >> OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? CALL

THE ROLL, PLEASE FEEL >> FOUR.

>> ESTHER >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> EZRA >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WILL OBTAIN FROM VOTING AND HAVE -- HAS COMPLETED THE APPROPRIATE

[d. Approve award of RFP 24-044 for the Avenue D Model Block Project to Pinnacle Communities and authorize staff to enter into negotiations.]

FORM. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES. >> THANK YOU, MR. THOMAS

>> NEST APPROVE AWARD OF 044 FOR THE AVENUE D TO PINNACLE COMMITTEES AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS

>> OKAY. >> MADAME MAYOR, I ASKED THIS TO BE PULLED BUT I HAPPEN WATCHING THIS PRETTY CLOSELY. I KIND OF INDICATED TO STAFF ON MY WAY IN I WAS GOING TO PULL THIS. REST OF THE PROPOSAL, I THINK EVERYONE IS ANTICIPATING WHAT WILL GO THERE BUT OBVIOUSLY, IT IS THE PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN PUT OUT, THE RFP HAS BEEN AWARDED. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I KIND OF LOOKED THROUGH THE SUBMITTAL PACKET OF WHAT I SAW THERE. I HAVE GOT SOME CONCERNS I WANT TO RAISE PUBLICLY ABOUT THIS. YOU CAN GUIDE ME AND INFORM ME ABOUT WHAT THESE NEGOTIATIONS ARE. BECAUSE AS I READ INTO THE LOCAL AGREEMENT, I FELT BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE INPUT , PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO MAYBE DESIGN STANDARDS. MAYBE SOME OTHER STANDARDS AS TO COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS CONTRACT WILL BE FULFILLED BASED ON THE ACTUAL AWARDEE. LET'S START WITH THAT PROCESS AND MAJORLY UNDERSTANDING THIS NEGOTIATION THAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY, AND WHAT EXACTLY WE ARE NEGOTIATING.

>> YES, SIR. MADAME MAYOR, ÚMEM ADOPTED A LOCAL AGREEMENT BACK

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IN, WHEN WAS THIS? APRIL 2023. SO IT IS THE FORT PIERCE -- YOU ALL AT THE CITY COMMISSION , AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY BID EXACTLY RIGHT, COMMISSIONER. WHERE IN PHASE TWO WHICH IS THE HEART TO GET TO THE NEGOTIATION. THIS IS CLEARLY SPELLED OUT AND WE COME BEFORE YOU ALL OF THE COMMISSION THE NEXT MEETING OF THE RFP BOARD, AS WELL AS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. AFTER THAT, IT IS KIND OF VAGUE OF WHAT NEXT STEPS ARE BUT ACTUALLY HIGHLIGHTED IT IN AND IS BASED ON THIS QUESTION, ALTHOUGH YOU DID NOT TELL ME WHAT YOUR QUESTION WAS BUT IT SAYS IF WE CHOOSE TO ENTER INTO A SEPARATE AGREEMENT TO FURTHER SPECIFY HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO IN THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS, AFTER THAT OF WHO IS GETTING WHAT MONEY. THERE ARE FOUR DIFFERENT PARCELS INVOLVED. YEAH, FOUR PARCELS, THREE DIFFERENT OWNERS INVOLVED.

WE CAN TOTALLY GET TO THAT POINT. AND SPEAKING WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS AT ST. LUCIE COUNTY. THIS IS JUST THE AWARD OF RFP, NOT THE EXECUTION OF ANY KIND OF AGREEMENT. THIS IS TO GET TO OUR NEGOTIATION TABLE. OUR PARTNERS AT TRAGEDY FOR NANCY WILL BE MEMBERS OF THEIR LEGAL TEAM, ADMINISTRATION, AND COMMUNITY SERVICES STAFF, AS ALL OF OUR LEGAL TEAM HERE IN ANY STAFF MEMBER THAT IS LIKELY TO BE PART OF THAT NEGOTIATION.

YOUR SECOND POINT OF DESIGN STANDARDS, I WILL INVOLVED IN THIS? LOOK AT BEFORE ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMITTEES? ABSOLUTELY, YES, SIR. WE CAN INCORPORATE AS MUCH AS YOU LIKE INTO THAT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND I PRESENT THOSE COMMENTS. AGAIN, THESE CODES OF SILENCE WHEREIN WITH THESE SOLICITATIONS ARE HARD. WE DO NOT GET TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH ANY OF THESE SPECIFIC PROPOSES IN THE SPACE.

YES. >> THANK YOU. THAT LEADS TO THE POINT OF DESIGN STANDARDS ARE GOING TO MEAN A LOT.

THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF REALLY THE MODEL OF WHAT WE EXPECT. WE HAVE JUST COME OUT OF OUR STRATEGIC LEARNING PROCESS. THIS IS AN HISTORIC OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW , WHEN I READ THEIR SUBMITTAL, THEY SUBMITTED WHAT THEY SUBMITTED AND MAYBE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT LOOKED VERY INSTITUTIONAL TO ME. I DID NOT FEEL WELCOMING. IT DID NOT FEEL LIKE WE HAD A PLANNED RETAIL, AS WELL AS LIVING FACILITY. AFFORDABILITY IS GOING TO BE KEY BECAUSE WE JUST CAME OUT OF ANOTHER WORKSHOP LAST WEEK TALKING ABOUT THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT I AM CONCERNED WITH IS IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IS IT MARKET RATE HOUSING BASED ON THE MARKET CONDITIONS IN THIS AREA? YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONERS, AS WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT THIS, I WANT TO IMPLORE US . EVEN WHEN WE HAVE OUR JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY, AND WE MUST HAVE THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE IT REALLY KIND OF FITS THE IDENTITY OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE, AND ISSUES WE ARE TRYING TO TACKLE, TAKING INTO THE COUNT MARKET RATE HOUSING FOR THE LAST WEEK I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND IS , THEY WANTED NOW SO IT IS THERE'S. WHAT WE DECIDE. COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS TOP. WE MUST TALK TO THAT SURROUND THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT IS COMING INTO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS IMPORTANT WE INCORPORATE THEM AND GET THAT BUY-IN EARLY ON. THAT WAY, THEY UNDERSTAND AND FEEL PART OF THIS PROCESS. I CANNOT IMPRESS UPON US THAT WE MUST DO THIS. IT IS IMPORTANT. IT SEARCHES AROUND THAT TWO TOOLS AROUND THAT. ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE ADDITIONS I SAW CAUSES ME GREAT CONCERN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE UNSHELTERED COMMUNITY THAT HAS HARBORED ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA. THEY ARE CONTINUING TO GROW THEIR. BASED ON WHAT I AM SEEING, I HAVE GOT CONCERNS WITH THAT . EVEN SOME OF THE PROPOSALS I SAW IN THE RECOMMENDATION. IT IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT WE GET A LOT OF THE STAKEHOLDERS AT THE TABLE , INCLUDING THE COMMUNITY, TO REALLY HELP THEM UNDERSTAND AND US UNDERSTAND AND THE COUNTY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REALLY GOOD LOOKS LIKE AND HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT THAT FITS THE LINCOLN PARK AREA. THIS IS THE ENTRYWAY, THE GATEWAY, COMING INTO THE LINCOLN PARK AREA. WE

MUST GET THIS RIGHT. >> IT IS SO IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF HAVING A BEAUTIFUL PRESENTS AND THE PRESENCE IT DESERVES.

>> IS A TREND OF OPPORTUNITY BUT I WANT TO BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. HONESTLY, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS , THEY ARE GOING TO THE PROCESS. WE STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, I WANT THE PUBLIC

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TO HEAR THIS AS WELL BUT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO INFLUENCE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE GOING FORWARD.

>> YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, SIR. MADAME MAYOR, IF I MAY? YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER, I AGREE WITH THOSE SENTIMENTS. -- WITH REGARD TO THE LOOK BUT I WILL SAY THAT PINNACLE WAS VERY FLEXIBLE. WHEN IT CAME IN FOR THE PRESENTATION, THAT ALREADY ADJUSTED THOSE RENDERINGS BUT THAT IS ALL THEY ARE AT THIS POINT, JUST IDEAS WITH DIVINITY INPUT WILL BE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT AS THEY MOVE FORWARD. I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS.

>> MADAME MAYOR, THIS IS IMPORTANT AND THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. THE COMMUNITY CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE WHAT WE SEE.

THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE DOWN A PATH THAT WE ARE NOT DOWN THAT PATH YET. IT IS JUST A RENDERING AND WE STILL HAVE GREAT IMPACT TO MAKE IT FEEL AND FIT , COMING IN THE COMMUNITY.

>> YES, SIR. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

>> MADAME MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF CONSENT ITEM D.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YESTERDAY

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR

>> YES. >> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> NECK SORENESS 25-002 -- 1015

YOU PULL THAT ONE? >> YES, YOU ARE NOT USED TO ME PULLING THEM.

[e. Approval of a contract with Tiki Taxi & Cruises to provide pickup and drop off services at the City Marina for taxi services on the Fort Pierce Waterways.]

AHEAD >> THE APPROVAL OF THE CONTACT -- CONTRACT WITH TIKI TAXI AND CRUISES TO PROVIDE PICKUP AND DROP OF SERVICES AT THE CITY MARINA FOR TAXI SERVICES ON THE

PRIVATE WATERWAYS . >> I'M PRETTY SURE I SUPPORT THIS BUT I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS BUT I WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS MISS COX. I THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW MORE ABOUT

THIS . >> I WILL ASK -- TO COME FORWARD. I THINK HE ALSO HAS THE OWNERS OF TIKI TAXI AND CRUISES

HERE TODAY AS WELL >> WONDERFUL. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE STOPS ARE GOING TO BE AND KNOW ALL ABOUT IT SO

THE PUBLIC KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT. >> YES. ALL RIGHT, GOOD EVENING , MAYOR AND CITY COMMISSION. MY NAME IS -- AND THIS IS KYLE KAUFMAN. HE IS MY OPERATION SUPERVISOR SO I WILL LET THEM SPEAK ON THIS TOPIC TONIGHT IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS AFTER THAT, I AM AND HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. THIS IS JEAN RIGHT HERE WHO IS THE OWNER OPERATOR OF THE TIKI TAXI AND CRUISES.

WITH THAT , WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE?

>> MR. KAUFMAN, WELCOME. >> TAKE YOU, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU, MADAME MAYOR AND THE COMMISSION. A VERY QUICK OVERVIEW. I WILL LET OUR TEAM GO INTO THE BUSINESS. BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO POTENTIALLY TAKE A TIKI TAXI AND CRUISES WHICH IS -- WHICH HAS PROVEN ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS TO TRANSPORT PEOPLE FROM AT THIS MOMENT TWO LOCATIONS, AS WELL AS GROWING INTO OTHER LOCATIONS. OPERATING AT THE CITY MARINA I BELIEVE WILL BE GREAT GROWTH TO THE TOWN AND PUBLIC ACCESS. AS EVERYBODY KNOWS HOW OUR DOWNTOWN CAN BE A SUPER PLACE BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WILL KIND OF INTRODUCE TO YOU AND CHAT A LITTLE BIT

ABOUT HIS BUSINESS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. GOOD

EVENING. >> STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR THE

RECORD >> MY NAME IS JEAN -- IT IS -- I AM HERE WITH MY WIFE ROSEMARY. WE OWN TIKI TAXI AND CRUISES .

WE LIVE IN STUART. THAT WAS OUR FIRST LOCATION. WE OPERATE A WATER TAXI SERVICE FROM DOWNTOWN STUART OVER TO THE SAINT HARBOR MARINA . IT IS A ONE HOUR LOOP. WE CURRENTLY OPERATE IN JUPITER IN FLORIDA. AND WE OPERATE WITH A COUNTY WATER TAXI PERMIT FROM A DOCK THAT IS LOCATED NEXT TO HARBORSIDE. THAT IS A LARGE DEVELOPMENT THERE IN JUPITER. WE BUILD A SPECIAL NOTE, A LOCAL FIRE BOAT. WE OPERATE FROM THE -- RESTAURANT. THAT IS A ONE HOUR LOOP AND WE GO OUT FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, ET CETERA BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOCATION OF THE -- CITY MARINA. THAT IS A ONE-HOUR SCENIC CRUISE. IT IS A SMALL POINT, COMMERCIAL MARINA. IN THE FUTURE OF THE RESTAURANT WITH THE BANANA BOAT. SO THE PUBLIC CAN SEE US. SO OUR MODEL IS OUR BOTH OUR 40-45 FEET LONG. -- 45

[00:55:02]

BY 14. 48 PASSENGERS AND A THREE-PERSON CREW. THE CAPTAIN AND TWO CREW MEMBERS. IT IS TIKI THEMED. WE HAVE A STATE LIQUOR LICENSE THAT WE PROVIDE BOTH ALCOHOLIC AND NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. WE PLAY FUN MUSIC PUT OUR MODEL IS, CURRENTLY IN TRENTON WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP, WE HAVE A SAFE RELATIONSHIP WITH STUART. WE HAVE SIGNED A LEASE AND WE HAVEN'T SLIP AT HARBOR TOWN FOR THE BUILDER IS THERE. ARE GOING TO START OPERATING FROM THERE. SKIPPERS OF THE RESTAURANT THERE . IT IS FANTASTIC. WILL BE PICKING UP AND DROPPING OFF THEIR. OUR SECOND STOP WILL BE HERE AT THE CITY MARINA. AS KYLA SAID, OUR VISION FOR CITY OF FORT PIECE IS TO ADD ANY MORE SPOTS. JUST IN PARTNERSHIP WITH PRIVATE INDUSTRY, CITY AND COUNTY PROPERTY. WE HAVE TALKED TO OTHERS IN THE COUNTY. TRY TO MIX REALLY GOOD PARKING WITH AREAS . THAT IS THE TRUE VISION FOR A WATER TAXI. AND THEN WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, CERTAINLY, IN ANY EMERGENCY SITUATION, POST HURRICANE OR ANYTHING, OUR BOAT WILL BE AVAILABLE BEING A WATER TAXI FROM WEEN BRIDGES OR WHATEVER THE CITY WOULD WANT. THE PRICE IN OUR MODEL, IT IS REALLY BUILT FOR JUST MIDDLE-CLASS FOLKS . IT IS A $10 ADMISSION TO GET ON THE BOAT. THAT IS FOR THE WHOLE DAY. WE COME BACK WHERE WE START EVERY HOUR. YOU CAN GET OFF, GET ON, SOME FOOD AND GET BACK ON WITH THE HAND STAMP UNIT IS A $10 ADMISSION. AS I SAID, WE JUST SELL BEVERAGES AS SOMEBODY WOULD

WANT . >> RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TWO STOPS, RIGHT? YOU MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR OTHERS .

>> AND I WILL ADD THIS QUICKLY. WE WILL. BUT TO GET OPERATIONAL HERE IN FORT PIERCE . I THINK THESE ARE TWO OF THE BEST

LOCATIONS. >> YOU DO NOT HAVE TO MAKE

ADVANCE RESERVATIONS? >> NO RESERVATIONS. WE OPERATE THURSDAY, FRIDAY, WE STARTED THREE IN THE AFTERNOON UNTIL 11:00 IN THE EVENING. WE GO UNTIL 11:00 AT SUNDAY. WE START AT 1:00 AND GO UNTIL 9:00 BUT ANY TIME OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE DO THREE-HOUR PRIVATE PARTIES, BOTH IN THE CORPORATE AND VISION WOULD BE HERE IN RATE IF BUSINESS WAS TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN. WITH -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIOS FOR US ? WE ARE EXCITED.

>> OTHER QUESTIONS? NOPE. GREAT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> HAVE YOU WRITTEN IT? >> IN STUART PRINCE MICHAEL,

GOOD >> WE HAD A GOOD TIME.

>> GOOD BUT I'M GLAD SO THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW TOO BIT WHEN WILL THIS HAPPEN IF WE APPROVE IT TONIGHT?

>> WE HAVE A MEETING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ON THURSDAY TO GO THROUGH IT. I THINK WE WILL BE GOOD. AND HAS -- I WOULD SAY CERTAINLY WITHIN THREE WEEKS OR SO.

>> THAT'S GREAT. WELL, WELCOME TO FORT PIERCE. THANK YOU VERY

MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT BUT I HAVE A BIT OF CLARIFICATION. ON THE AGREEMENT THAT IS ATTACHED , DEAN, THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU. THERE IS AN AMOUNT THAT IS LIKE IN THE AGREEMENT. THERE IS, WE ARE NOT CHARGING HIM ANYTHING ?

>> IS A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR TONIGHT, THIS IS A PUBLIC AMENITY. THERE IS -- NO, WE ARE NOT CHARGING THE TIKI OPERATOR AT THIS TIME. HE FEELS HE NEEDS A SLIPPED ON THE ROAD, THEN THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE ISSUE. SO THAT IS TO BE DETERMINED UPON HIS COMING AND GOING AND FIGURING OUT HIS NEEDS. THIS WILL BE A WORK IN PROGRESS. IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN BUILD ON. WE HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH WITH CHARLOTTE LOMBARD FROM -- COUNTY. SO JUST THE OTHER KEY ELEMENT THAT I THOUGHT WAS VERY IMPORTANT WAS THERE WAS A HURRICANE . HE WOULD BE ABLE TO RIDE THE VESSEL GOING BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE BRIDGE. IF THE BRIDGES AND YOU ARE UNABLE TO OPERATE DURING THE BRIDGES, HIS BUS WOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE PEOPLE BACK AND FORTH. I THINK THIS IS A WIN/WIN FOR OUR COMMUNITY. BUT AT THIS TIME, NO. I FEEL LIKE THERE WAS REALLY NO NEED , I DO NOT WANT TO BE, TO BE IN SOMEONE'S BUSINESS OR PERCENTAGE. IF SOMETHING GOES AWRY, I JUST HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO ME AND IN THE EARLY LESSONS TO IT. HE HAS THE NECESSARY INSURANCE REQUIRED WITH THIS WHICH WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT FOR 20 YEARS.

>> WRIGHT, RATES. FINALLY HERE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE KIDS BUT WE WILL MAKE IT WORK. WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.

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>> IN THE FUTURE IF THAT CHANGES , WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD FOR AN AMENDMENT. OR IF YOU NEED A SEPARATE DUCT FLIP, YOU CANNOT SEPARATELY BUT FOR YOUR PURPOSES HERE, IT WILL SAY ZERO?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE A MOTION? >> MOTION TO APPROVE

>> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> PAT FORDE.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON FIT

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

>> YES. >> COUNTRY.

[a. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 25-002 - Review and approval of Voluntary Annexation by owner Frances Casner, to extend the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include one (1) parcel at 3302 Avenue B. The proposed City Future Land Use designation is Residential Low Density (RL) and Zoning classification of Single-family Moderate Density (R-3). Parcel ID: 2408-506-0002-000-5. SECOND READING]

>> YES. >> WELCOME TO FORT PIERCE.

>> YES. WELCOME TO TRY TO PROTECT BONUS 25-002, THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF CITY OF FORT PIECE TO INCLUDE ONE PERSONAL NEAR 3302 AVENUE B AND SO NONE -- TO ASSESS THE PROPERTY AND PLACE IT ON THE CITY TAX ALL OF JANUARY 1, 2025.

DIRECTING ST. LUCIE TO COLLECT TAXES -- LAND-USE DESIGNATION DIRECTLY FILING OF THE ORDINANCE WITH THE COMING OF THE CIRCUIT COURT . ACTING VISION OF THE CHARTER BOUNDARY ARTICLE BEFUDDLED THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE ADMITTED TO THE DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH AND PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, FILLING OUT ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

>> ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS, PLEASE COME FORWARD. THING NO ONE, I WILL CLOSE AND COME BACK TO THE

COMMISSION >> THIS MOTION IS SECONDED.

[b. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 25-004 - An Ordinance amending the Code of Ordinances of the City at Chapter 121-Subdivisions, to amend the plat procedures. SECOND READING]

>> TRANSFER. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> YES

>> ATTRIBUTE >> YESTERDAY

>> THE NEXT IS THE ORDINANCE OF THE OWNERS OF THE FORT PIERCE, CHAPTER 121, SUBDIVISION STRAWMEN THE PRELIMINARY PLAT PROCEDURES PROVIDED FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE WITH ORDINANCES AND PARKS IN CONFLICT PROVIDE FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS THE SECOND READING >> ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO WOMAN, I WILL

BRING IT BACK FOR APPROVAL. >> THERE IS A MOTION IN A

SECOND. >> PAT FORDE.

[c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 25-005 - Amending the Code of Ordinances of the City of Fort Pierce Chapter 111, Article II, Section 111-151 Delegation of Review Authority to revise the Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) approval Matrix. - SECOND READING]

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> YES BUT >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

>> YES WITH >> PRINTER

>> YESTERDAY >> ORDINANCE -- 25-005 , ARTICLE TWO, SECTION 111-151, DELEGATION OF REVIEW AUTHORITY TO REVISE THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. AND, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE THIS IS THE SECOND READING.

>> ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD TO SEEING NO MOVEMENT I WILL COME BACK FOR A MOTION.

>> A MOTION TO APPROPRIATE >> SECOND.

>> CALLED THE ROLLED, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> YES FRITZ >> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

[d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 25-010: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida; amending the Future Land Use Map of the Comprehensive Plan to change the designation of two (2) parcels generally located at or near 3398 Selvitz Road, from City of Fort Pierce (RL) Low Density Residential to City of Fort Pierce (CO) Conservation and Open Space; Parcel (IDS): 2430-411-0001-000-6 and 2429-321-0003-000-0. SECOND READING]

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

>> MAYOR HUDSON VAPED >> YESTERDAY

>> UNITS BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIECE, FLORIDA, MANNING THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE CONFERENCE A PLAN TO CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF TWO PARCELS ARE LOCATED AT OR NEAR 3398 SELVITZ ROAD , FROM THE CITY OF FORT PIECE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO CITY OF FORT PIECE CONSERVATION AND OPEN SPACE . PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE AND THIS IS THE

SECOND READING. >> ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. THING A WOMAN, I

WILL COME BACK FOR A MOTION. >> MOTION TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND PRISON MET ALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES.

[e. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance No. 25-011: An Ordinance by the City Commission of the City of Fort Pierce; amending the City's Zoning Atlas and Rezoning two (2) parcels generally located at or near 3398 Selvitz Road, Fort Pierce, Florida, containing approximately 12.357 acres of land, more or less, from (R-1) Single-Family Low Density Zone to (OS-2) Conservation Open Space Zone; Parcel ID(s): 2430-411-0001-000-6 and 2429-321-0003-000-0. SECOND READING]

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES FRITZ

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> YES. MAYOR HUDSON PRINT

>> YES >> THE NEXT IS THE ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIECE AMENDING THE CITY ZONING ATLAS AND REZONING TWO PARCELS GENERALLY LOCATED AT OR NEAR 33 98 SELVITZ ROAD, TRENTON, FLORIDA, CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY -- OF LAND. FROM SINGLE-FAMILY LOW DENSITY ZONE TO CONSERVATION OPEN SPACE OWN WRITER FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE ARE PULLING OUT ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE BUT

THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. THING A WOMAN, I'LL BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION.

>> APPROPRIATE >> SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> YES.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> YES.

[13. CITY COMMISSION]

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES.

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE ITEM APPROVAL OF THE PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT BETWEEN ST. LUCIE , CITY OF FORT PIECE, WITH THE --

FESTIVAL APPEARED >> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? IF NOT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

[01:05:01]

>> I MOVE APPROVAL OF AYDEN 13 AP

>> THERE IS A MOTION IN A SECOND.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> YES FRITZ

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES PRINT >> ASPIRATE

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON . >> YES.

[14. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. >> YES.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YESTERDAY

>> NEXT, COMMENTS OF THE PUBLIC .

>> THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. PLEASE COME FORWARD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU'LL BE GIVING A 10 SECOND WARNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. GOOD EVENING.

>> 11 NORTH 25 STREET. >> WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. A BAD IDEA. IT'S A BAD IDEA. A BAD DECISION IS A BAD DECISION. A GOOD DECISION OR A GOOD IDEA . I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER GAINES FOR HIS GOOD IDEA , AND FOR YOU, THE BOARD, TO APPROVE AND MAKE A DECISION TO A PRIVATE THE IDEA OF APPEAL. I WATCHED HERE , HE WAS SOMETHING LIKE -- TO TURN ON THE LIGHT. AND THEN TO TURN THE LIGHT OFF. HE SAID TURN BACK ON AND COME OUT. HE SAID WHERE TO THE -- GO? HE SAID THIS IS ALWAYS AROUND. AND BILL SHOWED THE LIGHT. HE MADE US -- OH. AND THAT IS A GOOD FEELING. QUESTIONS. I SAW YOU ON TELEVISION. COMMISSIONER , MADAM MAYOR . I COULD SEE YOUR FACES.

THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO BE. I SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT. SECONDLY, YOU HAVE HAD GOOD PEOPLE THAT HAVE COME TO THE HOUSE TO SERVICE US. THE GARBAGEMEN, THE PEOPLE WHO CLEAN OUT THE GUTTERS. THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR IDEAS. I MEAN THE DRAINS. AND THE PEOPLE THAT COME OUT FOR THE GAS. THEY ARE VERY PLEASED. MY MAIN ISSUE TRAINING OR ALLOWING LOUD MUSIC IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD LATE AT NIGHT BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 11:00 AND 2:30 A.M. THIS SATURDAY, LAST SATURDAY. IT IS A VERY BAD PROBLEM.

BAD PROBLEM FOR MY MOTHER. A BAD PROBLEM FOR THE YOUNG PEOPLE IN OUR CITY. ADD A BAD PROBLEM FOR REDUCING THE VALUES OF OUR HOMES. THE PROBLEM HAS NOT BEEN SOLVED. SUNDAY WAS A GOOD DAY.

SATURDAY NIGHTS ARE AWFUL. I ASK OF YOU TO COME OUT DURING THAT TIME AND SEE WHAT WE LOOK LIKE. WE ARE DECENT HUMANS. IT IS NOT A SEPARATE AND UNEQUAL SOCIETY. WE WANT TO HAVE PROTECTION . WE WANT SERVICE. AND WHAT WE ARE HAVING IS AWFUL. YOU HEAR THE CARS GO BOOM BOOM! MY MOTHER IS 91 YEARS OLD AND I DO NOT WANT HER GOING TO HER GRAVE WITHOUT THIS ISSUE BEING ADDRESSED.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. PLEASE COME FORWARD.

STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS .

>> HELLO. MY NAME IS DENNIS. THE LAST NAME IS --