[b. Approval of travel for Commissioner Johnson to attend the St. Lucie County Legislative Conference in Tallahassee, Florida from April 01, 2025, to April 03, 2025, in the amount of $1838.41. ]

TRAVEL FOR MICHELLE JOHNSON TO ATTEND THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY

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LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE IN TALLAHASSEE, FLORIDA FROM APRIL 1 TWO APRIL 3, 2025 , IN THE AMOUNT OF $1830.41.

>> A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY COMMISSIONERS OR MATTA MAYER GO TO THESE CONFERENCES AND THINGS OUT OF TOWN. THE REASON WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS IF YOU DO NOT GO UP TO TALLAHASSEE AND LET TALLAHASSEE

KNOW, YOUR FACE >> AND KNOW THAT YOU HAVE COME UP THERE TO FIGHT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF FORT PIERCE, THEY CAN ALWAYS LOOK ON THE WEBSITE AND LOOK ON THEIR LIST. OKAY, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON FROM TRENTON. UNLESS THEY SEE HIM AND HERE HIS VOICE OR OUR VOICES WHEN WE GO UP THERE, IT MATTERS.

SO THEY KNOW WE ARE COMING. THEY KNOW ONE OR THREE OF US ARE ALWAYS COMING WHEN IT IS TIME TO FIGHT TALLAHASSEE TO KEEP THE LOCAL ROLE IN OUR PART TO HELP OUR RESIDENCY. NOT JUST A STATEWIDE THING. I SAY THIS JUST AS AN EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE. WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING IN THE EVENT THAT MYSELF IS GOING, YOU KNOW, MADAME MAYOR OR COMMISSIONER JOHNSON IS GOING TO THESE MEETINGS , YOU KNOW, OR RETIREMENT BOARD MEETINGS. WE ARE GOING TO LET THE PEOPLE KNOW IN THE STATE THAT THE CITY OF FORT PIECE IS ALWAYS GOING TO REPRESENT THE RESIDENTS. THAT WAY, THEY WILL SEE OUR FACE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT SEE IT OR UNDERSTAND IT. WE ARE GOING AND FIGHTING FOR YOUR GUYS IN THE SEAT. WE GO UP THERE, WE FIGHT FOR YOU GUYS IN THESE

CONVENTIONS IN TALLAHASSEE. >> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND I WERE BOTH ON THE TELEPHONE CALL THIS MORNING WITH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES TO HEAR THE FIRST ROUND OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN TALLAHASSEE.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ECHO COMMISSIONER GAINES. I WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOUR COMMISSIONERS DO MORE THAN SHOW UP YOUR ON MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS AND DEAL WITH LOCAL STUFF. WE ARE LISTENING TO STAFF THAT IS NOT YET MADE THE NEWS OR THINGS THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED WITH. SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE HEARD SOME LEGISLATION THAT TALKS ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES. WELL, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THE SERVICES WE PROVIDE AS A CITY ARE LARGELY DUE TO PROPERTY TAXES.

SOMEHOW, WHEN LEGISLATORS GET TO TALLAHASSEE AND THEY GET IN THEIR LEGISLATIVE CIRCLES, THEY FORGET THESE THINGS . WE OFTEN HAVE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH NOT ONLY THEM, BUT THE POWER OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY, AND THE CHAMBER DIRECTOR, HAS ASSEMBLED A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WILL BE GOING TO TALLAHASSEE TO NOT ONLY TALK TO LEGISLATORS, BUT ALSO TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW WE CONTINUE TO BE AT THE TABLE AND REMIND THEM OF IMPACT OF LEGISLATION THEY ARE CURRENTLY TRYING TO DECIDE AND PASS IN TALLAHASSEE THAT WILL HAVE GREAT IMPACT ON YOU.

WHEN YOU, AND HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS , OR WHY CAN'T YOU DO THIS? WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT? A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE STATE LEGISLATURE. SOMETHING CALLED PREEMPTIVE LAWS. -- PREEMPTIVE LAWS MEANS THEY PASS A LOT AND THE ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE NO SAY SO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.

THAT IS A GROWING CONCERN FOR US, AND THERE ARE 411 CITIES AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SOME BIG CITIES, SOME REALLY SMALL CITIES, SOME MEDIUM-SIZED CITIES , THAT ARE INCREASINGLY BEING CHALLENGED WITH HOW WE REALLY REPRESENT THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IF WE ARE NOT THERE REMINDED THEM WHEN THEY GET TO TALLAHASSEE AND COME UP WITH THIS LEGISLATION THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN GET PAST. IT IS EACH AND EVERY DAY. THE MAYOR HAS MENTIONED WE WERE ON A CALL THIS MORNING. THERE ARE OVER 800 BILLS THAT HAVE BEEN FILED RIGHT NOW, AND PROBABLY ANOTHER 800 COMING. THIS IS THE STUFF THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO BECAUSE WE HAVE TO.

I CAN TELL YOU IF THIS PROPERTY TAX BILL IN ANY FORM OR SHAPE STARTS TO PASS, THAT IS LESS MONEY THAN WE HAVE TO OPERATE THIS CITY. WE OPERATE A CITY RIGHT NOW , ABOUT 50,000 PEOPLE, ON $63 MILLION.

IF THINGS START TO IMPACT THAT, THE FIRST THING THAT WILL BE IMPACTED HIS LAW ENFORCEMENT, PUBLIC WORKS, AND PUBLIC SAFETY THROUGH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THESE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS. SOMEHOW, SOME OF OUR LEGISLATORS HAVE NEVER SAT IN THE SEATS WE SIT IN. WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH A LOCAL BUDGET WITH TAXES AND HOW WE APPLY THAT EQUALLY TO RUN THE

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CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE THAT HAVE NEVER SAT IN THE SEATS THAT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND HOW WE MOVE, LITERALLY, DOLLARS AND CENTS AROUND TO BALANCE THE BUDGET AND MAKE SURE WE CAN DELIVER A PRODUCT HERE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIECE. I AM HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THIS AND HAPPY TO GO AND REPRESENT YOU IN TALLAHASSEE AND HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS. NOT ONLY WITH OUR DELEGATION, BUT SOME OF THE BOARD LEADERS AND OTHER MAJORITY LEADERS THAT ARE IN POWER. WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AS WELL. THIS IS WHAT THIS WEEK WILL BE.

JOINED WITH, I THINK IT IS PROBABLY 20-30 OTHER PEOPLE FROM ST. LUCIE. BUSINESS PEOPLE, KEY PEOPLE IN OTHER OFFICES . THIS IS A GROUP DELEGATION PUT TOGETHER BY MS. ERICKSON. I AM REPRESENTING THE CITY THERE. THANK YOU.

>> VERY GOOD. YOU ARE GOING WITH THE CHAMBER AND I AM GOING WITH THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. THE OVERARCHING IDEA IS WHAT HAPPENS IN TALLAHASSEE , OFTEN, AS THEY TRY TO CURTAIL OUR BUDGET WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, GETTING US MORE OF WHAT THEY CALL UNFUNDED MANDATES.

THEY ASK US TO DO MORE WITH LESS. WITH THAT, WOULD YOU LIKE

TO MAKE A MOTION? >> YES, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU FOR THAT BUT I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE 11 B.

>> SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[a. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Ordinance 25-003: Review and approval of a proposed amendment to the City's Code of Ordinances of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, at Chapter 125-Zoning, Article III - Establishment of Zones, Section 125-157 - Designation of Overlay Districts, creating Subsection (3) - Port Overlay District, to establish the Port Overlay District (POD) and Port Overlay District Areas (PODA); Providing for a severability clause, repealing all ordinances or parts thereof in conflict, providing for an effective date. FIRST READING.]

QUALIFIED JUDICIAL HEARING ON ORDINANCE 20-003. IN ACCORDANCE FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIECE CHAPTER 125 SONY, ARTICLE THREE.

ESTABLISH ZONES , SECTION 125-1 57 , DESIGNATION OF OVERLAY DISTRICTS GRADING SUBSECTION THREE, PORT OVERLAY DISTRICT, TO ESTABLISH THE PORT OVERLAY DISTRICT, PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS NARRATIVE CONFLICT , PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS

THE FIRST READING. >> THIS IS A WILDLY JUDICIAL HEARING. PLEASE LISTEN TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHILE SHE LAYS OUT THE PROCESS.

>> MADAME MAYOR, THE CITY COMMISSION IS THE LEGISLATIVE AND QUASI JUDICIAL ORBIT WHEN ACTING AS A LEGISLATIVE BODY, THE COMMISSION ENGAGES IN LAWMAKING ACTIVITY BY PASSING LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICIES BUT WHEN ACTING AS A QUALIFIED JUDICIAL BODY, THE COMMISSION APPLIES THOSE LAWS AND POLICIES AND IS HELD TO STRICTER PROCEDURAL REQUIREMENTS FOR QUALIFIED JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS ARE THE FORM OF THE PROCEEDINGS BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT, BUT ARE MORE FORMAL THAN THE NORMAL COMMISSION MEETING. QUALIFIED JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS MUST FOLLOW BASIC STANDARDS OF NOTICE AND DUE PROCESS, AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. INVESTORS HAVE A DUTY TO CONDUCT THE QUALITY OF THE PROCEEDINGS WERE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATORS WITH THAT'S WHY THE COMMISSION HAS ESTABLISHED THE UNIFORM PROCEDURES FOR QUALIFIED JUDICIAL HEARINGS THAT WILL BE HELD THIS EVENING. SORRY, THAT WILL BE FOLLOWED THIS EVENING BUT FINALLY, NOTED APPROACH ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE DAIS , THE CITY ATTORNEY, OR THE CITY CLERK TO THE NEGATIVE DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY CLERK, PLEASE GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS WHICH ARE ANY OF THE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBERS.

>> MADAM CLERK, CAN WE NOTE THE ADVERTISING AND NOTICE

REQUIREMENTS? >> ADVERTISING FOR THIS ITEM HAS

BEEN MET. >> OF THE SAME, WOULD YOU ASK COMMUNICATION -- COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?

>> YES. >> I HAVE HAD COMMUNICATION WITH RESIDENTS. IN THE PLANNING DIRECTOR.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> YES, MA'AM. I HAVE HEARD FROM CONCERNED RESIDENTS.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR? >> YES, MA'AM. I MET WITH THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, AS WELL AS COUNTY STAFF AND THE DIRECTOR AND I SPOKE TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER DISTRICT 1 AND SOME CONSTITUENTS AND RESIDENTS.

>> AND TRAGEDY? >> YES, I MET WITH COUNTY STAFF IN THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. I HAVE WATCHED THE PLANNING BOARD MANY

AND HAD EMAIL FROM CONSTITUENTS. >> MADAM CLERK , I AM GLAD THEY BROUGHT THAT UP. I DID MEET WITH COUNTY STAFF AND I RECEIVED EMAILS.

>> OKAY. DITTO. >>

>> I LOOK GREAT ADAM. >> THAT WAS PROBABLY ACROSS THE BOARD.

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THE WITNESSES? >> ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC THE PLANT TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR -- DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.

>> MR. FREEMAN. >> THANK YOU , MADAME MAYOR, CITY COMMISSION. BEFORE I COMMENCED THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE FOUNDATION FOR WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU HERE TONIGHT IS DEVELOPMENT AND PROPERTY ENTITLEMENT. THE PREMISE BEING THAT PEOPLE HAVE ENTITLEMENT TO DO CERTAIN FORMS OF DEVELOPMENT WITH REGULATIONS.

SO IN THIS CASE, STAFF HAVE ANALYZED VERY CAREFULLY THE INHERENT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE COURT.

>> WE HAVE ANALYZED THE ILLUSTRATIVE MASTER PLAN. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THOSE VERY CAREFULLY. AND TRIED TO ESTABLISH A RANGE OF USES WHICH CAUSED NO HARM OR LOSS TO ANY OF THOSE PLANS OR PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. IT IS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE USES FOR THE OVERLAY. THIS IS , I KNOW STAFF DOESN'T ESSENTIALLY LIKE TO BRING SOMETHING NOT FULLY BAKED TWO CITY COMMISSION. BUT THIS HAS BEEN WORKING IN THE BACKGROUND FOR, IN MY CASE, 2 1/2 YEARS. IN MY PREDECESSORS CASE, PROBABLY OVER TWO YEARS ON TOP OF THAT. THIS IS A RENDITION OF WHAT WE GOT TO IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATIONS WITH ALL PARTIES.

ATTEMPTING TO RATIONALIZE, AS I SAY, THE UNDERLYING DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN THE LINE OF ZONING, AND THE PORT MASTER PLAN. WITH THAT, I WILL PRESENT TO YOU WHAT WE FOUND . I WILL ALLOW CITIZENS AND INTERESTED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO COME UP. THANK YOU.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT. IT IS A FORM OF OVERLAY ZONING WE WOULD LIKE TO APPLY TO THE PORT OF CITY OF FORT PIECE. THAT IS ONE OF FLORIDA'S DEEPWATER REPORTS CREDIT AVAILABLE TO THE CITY IN THE REGION. THAT HAS NOT BEEN ESTABLISHED. WE HAVE AN UNDERLYING ECONOMIC DRIVER IN TERMS OF PROPERTY WITHIN THE CITY THAT IS LAYING DORMANT. IN 2020 , ST. LUCIE WAS NUMEROUS -- IN PUBLIC OUTREACH THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF FORT PIECE ADVISORY COMMITTEE DATED THE PORT MASTER PLAN. THAT PERMEATED IN THE FINAL DRAFT WHICH WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN DECEMBER 2020. THAT WAS ADOPTED.

COMING BUT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION TO CITY STAFF AT THE CONFERENCE MEETING TO BRING FORWARD ZONING OF THE AREA IN ORDER TO PROMOTE ITS REDEVELOPMENT. IT HAS BEEN A HUGE TASK TO GET PEOPLE TO THE TABLE IN A COORDINATED ATTEMPT TO ESTABLISH THIS OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT. AND THE INTENTION IS TO INSERT THAT AT A 125-214 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF FORT PIECE. THAT IS THE GENERAL LOCATION OF THE OVERLAY.

THE ILLUSTRATIVE MASTER PLAN IS , IT DEFINES, ESSENTIALLY, AREAS FOR REPAIR, STORAGE, AND OTHER USES AROUND THE PERIPHERY. THIS INCLUDES THE DRY STACK BOAT STORAGE, ROOFTOP DEVELOPMENT, FLOATING DOCK, RESTORATION CENTER. THERE ARE NUMEROUS DIFFERENT USES PROVIDED ON THAT. ESSENTIALLY, THE PRIMARY AIM OF THAT IS TO GENERATE A MEGA YACHT FACILITY WITH ANCILLARY USES

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AROUND THAT. THE COMPANY HAS A PLAN FOR THE AREA WHICH INCLUDES BOAT RAMP, BOAT LAUNCH , A FEW MIXED-USE RESTAURANT TYPE DEVELOPMENTS THERE. A LARGE AREA OF PARKING AND STORMWATER TREATMENT.

I THINK THE COUNTY ALSO HAS OTHER PROJECTS EARMARKED TO ASSIST IN THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OF THE PORT AREA. I KNOW THAT IS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND. THAT IS NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION AT THE MOMENT. SO WHEN I LOOKED AT THE ILLUSTRATIVE PORT MASTER PLAN, WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN, IT SETS UP SOME GUIDING TENANTS. THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT THAT WAS LOOKING AT , WHAT IT WAS TRYING TO ACHIEVE, AND SOME OF THE RESULTING POLICIES AND IDEAS THAT WERE GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT. THOSE WERE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THAT PORT MASTER PLAN.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE ARE FIVE MAIN TENANTS, IF YOU LIKE. THAT THE PORT MASTER PLAN WAS ATTEMPTING TO ALIGN WITH . THERE WAS AN IDEA IT SHOULD BE AN ENGINE FOR A BLUE ECONOMY, MANY RATES OF INDUSTRY SPEED MEGA YACHT. ALSO MENTIONED IMPORT AND EXPORT ACTIVITIES. LOOK AT THE WATERFRONT EDGES AND GROW THEM INTO A FUNCTIONAL , WORKING, LIVING EDGE. THEY SET A LINEAR MEASUREMENT ON WHAT THAT SHOULD BE. AND HOW THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO. PROVIDE FOR FLEXIBLE TEMPLATE FOR PORT LAND DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, LOOKING AT IMPORT/EXPORT, TRADE ENABLING AREAS, STORMWATER, LIGHTING DISTRICT, MEGA YACHT WAREHOUSING.

ELECTRONIC, HYDRAULICS , AND A MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT MARKET.

INVEST AND GROW ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION RESTORATION. SUPPORT THE OFFICIAL LEE PROGRAM IN ENVIRONMENTAL EDUCATION CENTER, AND DO MARINE RESEARCH. ALSO, LOOK AT THE PORT AS A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO INCORPORATE A GREEN WAY, LOOK AT THE SILOS AND SEE HOW THEY COULD BE BEAUTIFIED, LANDSCAPING , LOOK AT INCORPORATING THE WORKING WATERFRONT WERE THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY AND VISITORS TO THE CITY CAN ACTUALLY EXPERIENCE A WATERFRONT AND WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THAT WATERFRONT.

>> ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, SUPPORT TOURISM. THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE WORKING WATERFRONT IDEA.

AROUND THE PORT , WE HAVE GOT SEVERAL INITIATIVES. MAJOR TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS OF AS THE NORTH WAS A IMPLEMENTATION IN THE TRAIL GREENWAY. THAT IS SUPPORTED THAT IT MIGHT HAVE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE PORT ITSELF. PUBLIC FACING WATERFRONT RENEWAL EFFORTS SUCH AS FISHERMAN'S WHARF , AND THE KING PLANNING TO HELMET, THOSE ARE ONGOING IN THE BACKGROUND .

WE HOPE TO GET SOMETHING ON THE KING PLANNING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT COMING IN IN MAY.

SO THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY LARGE AREAS THAT ARE DEFINED WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN FISHERMAN'S WHARF , DIRECTOR, HARBOUR POINTE PARK , THE COUNTY PROPERTY, ESSENTIALLY. TAYLOR KRICK MARINA. SAFE HARBOR HARBOR TOWN.

THIS HUGE PORTION OF PRIVATELY OWNED UNDERUTILIZED AND VACANT LAND. AS PART OF THAT, THIS INITIATIVE FOR THE OVERLAY, TO TRY TO GET, TO ATTEMPT TO SUPPORT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS AREA TOGETHER WITH ITS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS IN A FASHION THAT EACH SUPPORT AND PROTECT THE OVER USES.

THIS TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING CODE PROPOSES THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WITH THE PORT FORT PIERCE OVERLAY DISTRICT WILL BE PROCESSED EITHER THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, OR BY THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCEDURE. THAT IS WHERE IT GETS INTO, IS THE CITY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO DEVELOP AN ECONOMIC DRIVER? AND WHAT PROCESSES CAN WE LOOK AT EFFICIENCIES TO SUPPORT THE ENCOURAGEMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE PORT AREA? THE PLAN PROCESS IS A METHODOLOGY TO DO THAT. IT RUNS

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THROUGH INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT , THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, AND THE AGENCY REFUSED TO THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCEDURE , ACTUALLY, IF THE USE IS CONDITIONAL, THAT BRINGS IT RIGHT AWAY TO THE PROCESS TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THERE IS MORE THINKING ON THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT THAT DURING THIS PRESENTATION.

THE REASON WHY WE WOULD LOOK FOR THE MINUS SITE PLAN PROCESS WITH AN AGREED LIST OF USES , AGREED BY ALL. THAT COULD BE FAST TRACKED, IF YOU LIKE, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THE PROTECTION OF THE REVIEW OF THOSE IS ESSENTIAL AND WE HAVE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THAT SHOULD BE DEFINED. OR EVEN COMPACTED IN SUCH A WAY IT HELPED SECURE CERTAIN USES . CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE OF THE PROPERTIES WILL NOT BE AMENDED AT THIS TIME. THERE IS UNDERLYING FUTURE LAND USE THROUGHOUT THE OVERLAY.

IN TERMS OF DIFFERENT PARCELS FOR THAT. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THE OVERLAY TO PROVIDE THE FRAMEWORK FOR THE REVIEW OF THE USES IN THE APPLICATION APPROVAL PROCESS TO BE BAKED INTO THAT FRAMEWORK.

THAT IS THE PROPOSED BOUNDARY. THERE ARE NUMEROUS PARCELS. MORE THAN 40 DIFFERENT PARCELS WITHIN THERE. MULTIPLE DIFFERENT -- AND THERE. AND TO GET FEEDBACK AND INPUT FROM ALL THOSE IS A TASK IN ITSELF. THAT IS THE WAY THIS LIES IN THE BALANCE. WE DO HAVE SOME DISCREPANCIES ON THE BOUNDARY . HOPEFULLY, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY TO ESTABLISH , TO OBTAIN THIS DIVISION APPLICATION , TO FORMALIZE THE SPLITS THAT HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN THE REGION PAST.

THE COMPANY CONFERENCING PLAN. I'M GOING TO MENTION ATTEMPTING TO WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY ON THIS. GOING TO PORT ACTIVITIES. THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ST. LUCIE RESIDENTS WILL BE STRENGTHENED BY ENHANCING THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY , ATTRACTIVENESS, ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AND SOCIAL BENEFITS ASSOCIATED WITH THE ACTIVITIES AT THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE.

OBJECTIVE TO A . 3. ONE, THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE SHOULD STRENGTHENED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES IN THE PORT OPERATIONS AREA BY WORKING WITH FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT , THE PRIVATE SECTOR, AND OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES TO FORMULATE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN THAT WILL FOSTER NEW JOBS THAT EXCEED THE COUNTY'S ANNUAL AVERAGE WAGE RIGHT AS PART OF THAT OBJECTIVE, I'M GOING TO WRAP UP IN TERMS OF WHY WE WOULD SEE THE MINOR DEVELOPMENT PLAN BEING AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THIS.

AS I MENTIONED, THE OUTSET, WE ARE VERY COGNIZANT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS . IT IS MENTIONED IN OUR COOPERATIVE PLAN. IT NEEDS TO BE MEASURED IN EVERY OTHER CONFERENCE THE PLAN IN THE STATE. POLICY 12. ONE. ONE . 2, THAT IS ESPECIALLY RELEVANT HERE. THE CITY SHALL CONSIDER THE RIGHT TO USE, MAINTAIN, DEVELOP, AND IMPROVE THE PROPERTY FOR PERSONAL USE, OR FOR THE USE OF ANY OTHER PERSON, SUBJECT TO STATE LAW AND LOCAL ORDINANCES.

IF THE LOCAL ORDINANCES SUBSCRIBE AND ALLOW MORE USES IN THERE, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY ARE AWARE OF THOSE AND TAKE CARE TO PROTECT THOSE USES AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE WILLING TO AMEND THOSE AS PART OF THE ZONING AMENDMENT. STAFF IS VERY SENSITIVE TO NOT LEAVE THE CITY INTO

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REMOVAL OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. SO IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, YOU WOULD'VE SEEN A MATRIX OF THE PRIMARY, THE THREE EXISTING ZONING WITHIN THE PORT.

ANALYST OF USES ATTACHED TO THOSE THAT ARE ALLOWED RIGHT NOW. SO PART OF OUR ANALYSIS, PART OF STAFF ANALYSIS. TO CREATE THOSE INTO A -- WITHIN THE OVERLAY THAT DOES NOT REMOVE PROPERTY RIGHTS. IN ASSOCIATION WITH THAT, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT NO USES WITHIN THE PORT MASTER PLAN ARE AFFECTED? AND WE DO NOT AFFECT THE POTENTIAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT MASTER PLAN, EVEN THOUGH AT THE MOMENT, IT DOES NOT GIVE ANY ENTITLEMENTS TO ANY PROPERTY OWNER IN THE PORT. EITHER WAY, THIS OVERLAY WOULD.

I AM GOING TO PULL OUT ANOTHER FORT PIERCE MASTER PLAN. GIVEN THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT TO POLICY 5. 3. 3. IT MENTIONS THE CITY SHALL COORDINATE WITH ST. LUCIE IN IMPLEMENTING THE 2017 DATE OF THE PORT OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE MASTER PLAN. THE PLAN PROVIDES GENERAL PLANS AND POLICIES TO INCLUDE GENTRIFICATION OF THE PORT THROUGH A MIX OF RECREATIONAL, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, AND INDUSTRY USES . A WHOLE RANGE OF USES WITH THE ILLUSTRATIVE PORT MASTER PLAN. IT DOES ILLUSTRATE, PRIMARILY , MAKING A YACHT FACILITY. THOSE ACTIVITIES. THAT IS WHERE WE GET INTO WHAT IS MANDATED IN WHAT IS THE END. THE CITY WILL FOLLOW THE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES WITHIN THE REVISED PORT MASTER PLAN TO ENSURE ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PORT. NO I JUST GOING TO LOOK VERY QUICKLY AT WHAT -- THE FUTURE LAND USE. AND ALSO WITH THE ZONING. WE HAVE THE FUTURE LAND USE PRIMARILY AS INDUSTRIAL . THAT IS THE GRAY AREA. AND THERE IS A SECTION, MAINLY THE NORTH AREA, WHICH IS MAINLY COMMERCIAL. INDUSTRIAL DESIGNATIONS IN DIFFERENT PARCELS OURS SUITABLE FOR INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT AND TO PROMOTE THE CITY POSITION AS A MAJOR EMPLOYMENT CENTER. THAT USES ALLOWED UNDER THIS DESIGNATION WITH LIGHT MANUFACTURING, PROCESSING FACILITIES, STORAGE AND DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES, WAREHOUSING, GENERAL AND INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL USES, RESEARCH REPORTS, LARGE BUSINESS PARKS, AND MIXED-USE OFFICE PARKS. OFFICE RETAIL AND SERVICE USES THAT PROVIDE SUPPORT TO EMPLOYEES AND COMPATIBLE PUBLIC QUASIPUBLIC AND SPECIAL USES AS WELL. SO THE FUND DEFINITION ALLOWS FOR MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO. THE COMMERCIAL IS LESS INDUSTRIAL IN A FASHION. IN THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION SOMETIMES PROMOTE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRY USE WITH A FOCUS ON MARINE RELATED ESTABLISHMENTS ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

>> USES ALLOWED WITHIN THIS DESIGNATION FIGURE IN THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITIES , MARINAS, BOATS , STORES, BOAT REPAIR, RETAIL SHOPS, HOTELS, AND OFFICES. -- IS ALSO ALLOWED IN THIS DESIGNATION. THE LAND-USE DEFINITION ALLOWS THE MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 15 -- PER ACRE. I'LL LOOK AT POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL USE AND MAXIMUM FLOOR AREA RATIO OF ONE. RESIDENTIAL USE IS 20% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. OVER THE TOP OF THAT, WE HAVE FOUR ZONING DISTRICTS . COMMERCIAL , INDUSTRIAL TWO, INDUSTRY ONE, AND A LARGE PORTION -- WITHIN THE AREA WHICH IS A PLANNED UNIT REDEVELOPMENT. PEER THAT IS LIKE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HOUSE . IT WAS ACTUALLY BASED ON THE 1996 PORT . WE CANNOT GET A COPY OF THAT, BUT ESSENTIALLY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PLANNED UNIT REDEVELOPMENT, IT LOOKS AT ALLOWING MORE USES DOWN THE CURRENT ZONING DESIGNATION. THAT

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WOULD INCLUDE RECREATION, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL, MIXED USES, STREETS, DRAINAGE, PUBLIC ACCESS . IT ALSO ENCOURAGES PROTECTION OF THE SHORELINE AND INDIAN RIVER LAGOON.

AND LIMITED EXPANSION OF INDUSTRIAL. IT WAS SORT OF A VERY WIDE RANGE IN TERMS OF WHAT THE AIM OF THAT PROJECT REDEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WAS. STREET ZONING OF C 6 IS ESSENTIALLY ESTABLISHED AROUND THE MIDDLE PART OF THE PORT PUT IN THE ATTEMPT OF THE DISTRICT IS PRIMARILY TO PROVIDE SUITABLE LOCATIONS FOR COMPATIBLE RING COMMERCIAL AND TO RELATED FACILITIES. THIS IS AN EXTRACT SO I WILL SUMMARIZE IT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. THE REQUIREMENTS AND IS UNRECOGNIZED THAT CERTAIN MAUREEN GRANTED COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES CAN BE COMPATIBLE WITH ACTIVITIES THAT ARE MORE TOURIST RELATED. AGAIN, SEPARATED OUT. THEY USE, THIS IS THE RESULT BEING DEPENDENT OR WILL BENEFIT FROM PROXIMITY TO THE WATER. SO MARINE COMMERCIAL, AS THE TITLE SAYS, IT IS ALL FULL MARINE BASED USES. THOSE USES ARE DEPENDENT OR IN PROXIMITY OF THE WATER.

MAY HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL MARINE ZONE. THAT IS PART OF THE ESSENTIAL , THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE PORT OVERLAY. MARINE INDUSTRY AND SUPPORTING USES. CERTAIN NONINDUSTRIAL WATER INTRODUCES AND USES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM MAY BE PERMITTED. THE DISTRICT IS DESIGNED TO EXCLUDE USES WHICH CAN BE LOCATED EQUALLY WELL ELSEWHERE. THEY ARE INCONSISTENT , THEY ARE INCONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT. LARGE AREAS OF WATERFRONT, STREET, AND ROAD ACCESS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TYPE OF ZONING. WE DO HAVE, TO THE WEST OF THE PORT OVERLAY , THE RAILROAD. WE HAVE A SPUR WITHIN THE RAILROAD . OBVIOUSLY, SURROUNDED BY WATER. THE COMPANY IS WORKING IN ESTABLISHING A MORE USABLE STREET NETWORK WITHIN THERE. THE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL ZONE, MORE INDUSTRY AND RELATED USES WITH LIMITED INJECTABLE EXTERNAL EFFECTS.

TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES. MANUFACTURING, WAREHOUSING, HEAVY COMMERCIAL, AND SIMILAR USES ARE ENCOURAGED. USES IN THE DISTRICT MAY PERFORM A SUPPORT ROLE FOR USES IN INDUSTRIAL, MERELY THAT RANGE OF USES THAT RUNS DOWN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SOUTH OVERLAY.

THOSE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE TRIED TO BETTER DEFINE THE USES WITHIN THE NORTHPORT AND SOUTHPORT. ESSENTIALLY, THEY WILL BE DEFINED LIKE THAT TO BETTER FORM NEGOTIATING POINTS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THOSE AREAS. WE CONCENTRATED ON THE NORTHPORT. THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER. IT WAS DISCUSSED WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE PORT OVERLAY WITH THAT ELEMENT. AND WITH THE SOUTHPORT, IT WAS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OWNERS AND INTERESTS.

DIFFERENT AVAILABILITY OF USES AS WELL. THAT IS WHERE WE FORMED THE USE TABLE. THIS TABLE WAS FORMED FROM LOOKING AT THE ALLOWABLE USES WITHIN THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE. AND IN WORKING TOGETHER WITH PROPERTY OWNERS AND INTERESTED PARTIES TO ESTABLISH WHICH OF THOSE USES WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT , OR CONDITIONAL.

NOW, STAFF SEES THE BENEFIT OF BOTH OF THOSE IN TERMS OF WHICH COLUMN THEY GO IN. AND THERE MAY BE USES IN THERE THAT MIGHT BE MORE APPROPRIATE TO CONDITIONAL USES. THERE MIGHT BE USES AND THERE WE HAVE NOT HIT IN TERMS OF THE FULL RANGE OF USES.

EXCUSE ME. THAT IS PART OF A BIG DISCUSSION STILL ONGOING. ANY INPUT WE CAN GET , I THINK THAT IS WHAT STAFF IS LOOKING FOR THIS EVENING. BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE RECOMMENDATION, I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO WHY WE SUGGESTED THAT. MY STAFF HAD SUGGESTED THAT THE MINUS SITE PLAN IS , THE BREAKPOINT, IS NOT

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REALLY SUITABLE FOR THE PORT REDEVELOPMENT. I'VE INDICATED HERE THE CITY SITE PLAN CAN ONLY BE USED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF FLOOR SPACE LESS OR EQUAL TO 10,000 SQUARE FEET BUT ESSENTIALLY, THAT IS THE ORANGE OF THE SITE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNTY MINUS SITE PLAN ALLOWANCE, IT ALLOWS 100,000 SQUARE FEET. ESSENTIALLY, THAT IS THE AREA OUTLINED IN PURPLE.

AND THEN ALSO , WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS WHAT I WANTED TO MENTION. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TARGETED INDUSTRIES MAYBE, THE COUNTY HAS AN EVEN HIGHER CRITERIA OF SQUARE FEET IF THE DEVELOPMENT MEETS A QUALIFIED, TARGETED INDUSTRY , AS DEFINED BY STATE STATUTE. AN THAT WOULD BE, ESSENTIALLY, TO THE SIZE OF THAT GREED OUT AREA. THE STATE ACTUALLY DEFINES THE TARGETED TARGET INDUSTRY BUSINESS. AND ESSENTIALLY IS LOOKING AT IF IT IS STABLE AND CAN GROW MORE.

HIGH WAGES. IS IT INDEPENDENT MARKET AND RESOURCE? DOES IT DIVERSIFY IN THE BASE? AND DOESN'T HAVE INCOME BENEFITS? SO THAT IS THE THINKING OF STAFF BEHIND HAVING MOST DEVELOPMENT REVIEWED BY THE SITE PLAN. WE DO NOT INCLUDE ANY SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THAT. THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT IN THERE. BUT THAT WAS THE BACKGROUND OF WHERE WE CAME IN WITH THE PROCESS. OR THAT IDEA.

SO, MY RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT IS GOING TO START OFF WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. BUT I DO HAVE ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE GET TONIGHT. FROM ALL PARTIES. MAYBE WE TABLE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND BRING IT BACK AFTER WE HAVE HAD , NOW THE PEOPLE HAVE A BETTER INTEREST IN THAT. A LOT MORE WIDER RANGING DISCUSSION.

APPROVED THIS AS IT IS PRESENTED WITH AMENDMENTS, OR JUST DISAPPROVE IT. SO THAT FINALIZES STAFF PRESENTATION. I AM OPEN

FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> QUESTIONS OF MR. FREEMAN?

>> GO AHEAD. >> MADAME MAYOR, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE CONFERENCE OF PIECE OF INFORMATION, RIGHT? THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS I HAVE BASED ON THIS. YOU AND I HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS WHEN WE MET AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS I THINK THROUGH SITUATIONS THAT WERE INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CONCERN ME. IT IS WHAT IS PERMITTED VERSUS WHAT IS CONDITIONAL, RIGHT? SO I AM CLEAR AND THE PUBLIC IS CLEAR, PERMITTED WOULD BE ALLOWABLE. IT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY COME BEFORE THIS FIBROTIC COMMISSION TO WEIGH IN ON IT . STAFF WOULD BE PERMITTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE PARTICULAR APPROVALS. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> CORRECT. WE WOULD BE USING THE PROCESS THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. MINOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THAT WOULD BE STAFF INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL AGENCIES. INCLUDING THE COUNTY THROUGH THE TECHNICAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. TO COMMENT ON THAT. AND THEN A DECISION WOULD

BE RENDERED ADMINISTRATIVELY. >> SO MINOR WOULD BE 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND LESS, OR? IN THIS CASE?

>> IN THIS CASE, WE ARE SAYING IF IT IS A PERMITTED USE IN THAT COLUMN, THEN WE WOULD CATEGORIZE THAT AS MINOR. THAT IS WHERE THE BREAKPOINT IS. A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION HERE.

>> I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THE JUGGERNAUT IS THE MAP IN THE MIDDLE YOU HAVE MANY DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS. TRYING TO REPRESENT ALL OF THOSE RESPECTIVE INTERESTS THAT I SEE SOME CONFLICTS HERE THAT ARE GLARING.

YOU MAYBE HAVE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO BE INDUSTRIAL AND HAVE A CONCRETE SLAB THERE. SOMEBODY WANT TO HAVE A CONDO AND SO THAT FOR HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR THAT WILL CAUSE THE

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RINGING OF PHONES DOWN HERE, RIGHT? I SEE MANY CHALLENGES TO THAT. AS I LOOK AT THIS AS THE PRESENTATION TODAY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS THAT I SEE.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS GETTING THEM OPPORTUNITY. THE REAL OPPORTUNITY BECOMES NEIGHBORS GETTING ALONG AND WE GET INVOLVED WITH PERMISSIBILITY AND ALLOWING THIS AND NOW WE HAVE TO TRY TO RESOLVE THAT. I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT. ALREADY TRYING TO DO THAT IN CERTAIN PARTS OF OUR CITY RIGHT NOW. INDUSTRIAL IS MEETING WITH RESIDENTIAL. I HAVE LEARNED FROM THAT. I WAS NOT HERE THEN, BUT THE CONVERSATIONS I'M HAVING NOW WITH RESIDENT OWNERS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPERS AND/OR MIXED-USE DEVELOPERS IN INDUSTRIAL ZONES, THOSE ARE THE REAL CONVERSATIONS WE ARE HAVING IN THESE MEETINGS NOW. I HAVE LEARNED FROM THAT. SO THAT IS WHERE MY ANTENNA GOES UP. I SEE THAT IN WHAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED HERE TODAY. I DO KNOW HOW WE GOT THERE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY IS REPRESENTING ALL THE INTEREST TO GIVE THEM ALL AN OPPORTUNITY IS LANDOWNERS WITH THOSE SAME LANDOWNERS WILL TURN AROUND AND SAY, WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING AN INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX NEXT TO MY CONDO I AM BUILDING OVER HERE? IF I'VE GOT THIS IN THE WRONG CONTEXT, I NEED YOU TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT BASED ON THIS THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION OF HOW

I READ THIS. >> YOU ARE CORRECT. YOU ARE CORRECT. WE HAVE UNDERLYING MIXED-USE. THEY ARE UNDER

SEPARATE MISMATCH. >> RIGHT.

>> WE HAD CORRESPONDENCE ESSENTIALLY FROM COUNTY STAFF WHICH WILL DOLE THESE THINGS OUT. WE WERE ALREADY AWARE OF THAT. THE DIFFICULTY WITH THIS IS GETTING PROJECTS ALIGNED AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE USES IN HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE IDEAL. THE USES IN THERE THAT MAY BE TOO MUCH IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY TO ANOTHER USE. EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID.

THAT IS THE DIFFICULTY.

I DO NOT WANT TO BE PUTTING THE RECOMMENDATION FORWARD THAT WE

ARE REMOVING PROPERTY. >> I DO NOT WANT TO PUT STAFF FOR US IN IT, RIGHT? ULTIMATELY, YOU ARE ASKING US TO MAKE JUDGMENT BASED ON THIS. LIKE I SAID, I HAVE LEARNED AFTER INHERITING THIS.

SOMETIMES HISTORY IS THE BEST TEACHER OF THIS. YOU KNOW, I THINK TO THOSE LANDOWNERS, AND YOU PUT THAT MAP OUT THERE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR ON IT. WE GOT THREE OR FOUR COMPETING INTERESTS. THE COUNTY HAS A LARGE SLAB OF LAND ON BOTH SIDES BUT CURRENTLY ONE PERSON, AND THEY HAVE ANOTHER DEVELOPER PIECE. AND THEN YOU HAVE A LARGE PROPERTY LANDOWNERS HERE FOR TOO MANY TO NAME. YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW IN THERE THAT HAVE COMPETING INTERESTS. THEN THERE IS THE NORTHERN PART THAT IS BASICALLY ONE PERSON THAT OWNS THAT.

THAT'S A LITTLE EASIER ON THE NORTHERN PART TO DEAL WITH THAT AND APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN THIS AREA?

>> WELL, I KNOW THERE WERE AROUND 40 PARCELS. OVER 12 OR

13. >> YEAH, YEAH. IT IS TIME FOR THE FIVE OF US TO GET TOGETHER. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE 12, RIGHT? I GET IT. I GET IT. THAT IS THE TOUGH PART. I SAY THAT JOKINGLY, BUT THIS IS DIFFICULT. I AM NOT PREPARED TO GET THERE TONIGHT WITH THIS. IN MY OPINION, WE NEED TO HAVE A LOT MORE CONVERSATION TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS. I CAN TELL YOU, COMMISSIONERS, I AM FEELING REALLY UNEASY ABOUT THIS. I RESPECT PEOPLE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE PROPERTY. I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. THAT SAME OWNER IS GOING TO COME AND COMPLAIN, WHY DID YOU LET THIS INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, NEXT DOOR TO WHATEVER? AS WELL AS A LOT OF THESE COMPETING INTERESTS. THAT'S IT FOR ME FOR NOW. WE WILL CONTINUE. THANK YOU.

>> ANYBODY ELSE? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE READY TO SPEAK,

COMMISSIONER? >> FIRST UP, MR. FREEMAN, I WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR TAKING ON THIS GIGANTIC PROJECT.

IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. I KNOW THIS WAS A LOT OF WORK. I APPRECIATE HOW FAR YOU HAVE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT. HOPEFULLY, WE CAN GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. SO I HAVE GOT SEVERAL DETAILED QUESTIONS. I WILL PROBABLY WAIT UNTIL YOU HEAR THE OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES IN THEIR TWO CENTS IN PUBLIC COMMENT ON IT. BUT OBVIOUSLY, THE REGIONAL IMPACT

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OF THE PORT IT CANNOT BE UNDERSTATED. IT CANNOT BE OVERSTATED. THE DEVELOPMENT WE DECIDED AS A COMMUNITY THAT WILL GO HERE , THAT WILL AFFECT THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF THE PORT IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS. SO THIS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT THING.

DECIDING WHAT SHOULD GO THERE AND WHAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED. WITH THE MIXED-USE PORTION OF IT, YOU KNOW, WE CANNOT LOOK AT THIS WITH ONE PARCEL AT A TIME BUT WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE THING TOGETHER AND DECIDE WHAT IS GOING TO WORK THERE. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN HERE THAT WILL GIVE YOU SOME HEARTBURN. I WANT TO DIG INTO THAT AFTER PUBLIC

COMMENT. >> IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS OF STAFF, NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, MA'AM. NOW IS THE TIME SPECIFICALLY FOR QUESTIONS TO

STAFF. >> OKAY.

>> NO, SERVER THERE IS A PROCESS LINED OUT AND NOW IS THAT TIME.

>> I HAVE NOT MEMORIZED THE PROCESS YET.

>> IT IS HARD FOR SOMETIMES PUBLIC COMMENT, I MEAN, IT IS A DIFFICULT RULE TO FOLLOW. THAT IS KIND OF THE WAY OUR PROCESS

WORKS. >> OKAY. WELL, I WILL GET INTO A COUPLE OF THE SPECIFIC ITEMS THEN. I THINK , AT LEAST I AM OF THE CLASS OF I AM NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING MAJOR CARGO OPERATIONS STACKED WITH BOXES AND TRASH IN SCRAP MEDAL -- METAL WASTE COMING TO OUR PORT. HOWEVER, I THINK A BLANKET TO KNOW CARGO ACTIVITIES IS NOT SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF CARGO AND FREIGHT ACTIVITIES. THERE ARE SEVERAL IN THE MATRIX THAT THE COUNTY POINTED OUT. WITH THE EXPORT/ IMPORT SHIPPING. KIND OF THE SAME THING TO ME.

BUT I THINK WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM OTHER PORTS AND LOOKING AT OTHER USES , THAT PUTTING THOSE IN A PERMITTED USE CAN GET US TO THAT POINT WHERE WE HAVE SHIPPING CONTAINERS ALL OVER THE PLACE IN SCRAP METAL YARDS. I DO NOT PERSONALLY BELIEVE IN MAYBE MADAME ATTORNEY , YOU CAN WEIGH IN? BUT PROPERTY RIGHTS WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE , I DO NOT SEE THAT AS TAKING AWAY PROPERTY RIGHTS. I SEE THAT AS WE ARE MOVING IT TO FURTHER REVIEW AND LOOKING AT IT ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. IT IS NOT DENYING ANY TYPE OF USES. WE ARE MOVING IT AND LOOKING AT IT. THIS IS AN AREA OF REGIONAL IMPACT.

SO THOSE YOU THERE, I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVED INTO CONDITIONAL BECAUSE OF THE -- WHAT THEY MEAN AND WHAT THEY COULD MEAN. IN ORDER TO PREVENT SOME TYPE OF MAJOR CARGO OPERATION. AND I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR ONCE WE HAVE THIS MEGA YACHT FACILITY WE HAVE ALL BEEN DREAMING ABOUT FOR SO LONG, IN ADDITION TO THE DIRECTOR THAT IS THERE ALREADY. THE NEED FOR THE LODGING. FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THE YACHT AND A BEEN WORKING ON THAT YACHT. WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS AS FAR AS BEING MORE SPECIFIC ON THAT TYPE OF USE INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, ANY TYPE OF HOTEL OR RESORT IS ALLOWED THERE? AS PART OF THE PERMITTED USE. WHAT TYPE OF OPTIONS ? I MEAN, I AM NOT NECESSARILY SAYING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONDITIONAL USE, BUT SOMETHING THAT IS USED SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW.

>> OBVIOUSLY, OPTIONS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THERE WOULD BE A LIST AND YOU HAVE THE ADDITION OF -- DEFINITION ABOUT WHAT THAT PARTICULAR USE IS AND WHAT RANGE OF USES THAT WOULD ENCOMPASS. I THINK THAT , IF WE CAN GET MORE PRECISE ON THAT DEFINITION, THEN THAT IS THE SORT OF USE , THE USE THAT IS WELL-DEFINED. THAT THEN WOULD BE USED INTO THE PERMITTED USE. BECAUSE EVERYBODY

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WOULD KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL. THAT WOULD GIVE THAT FAST-TRACK OPTION. THIS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE HIT ON THE PINPOINT OF THIS. DESCRIBING THE USES BY THE LIMITED USE CATEGORY.

I WOULD SAY YOU ARE CORRECT. A CONDITIONAL USE IS NOT REMOVING PAID DEVELOPMENT RIGHT. IN THIS CASE, IT IS MOVING IT INTO A

DIFFERENT PROCESS. >> RATES. -- GREAT. SO I THINK MAYBE SOME SORT OF EXPLORATION. A KIND OF MAKES ME THINK, WE HAD SOME MIGRANT HOUSING THAT WAS APPROVED AT THE COUNTY ON AN AGRICULTURAL PIECE OF LAND WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THAT PIECE OF LAND AND WERE LIVING ON SITE AND UP MIGRATORY FASHION. THAT WAS KIND OF HOW I AM SEEING IT. THE YACHT FACILITY, BUT THEN WE NEED THE LODGING ON THE SAME SITE PLAN.

MAYBE THERE IS SOME TYPE OF , A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE PROPERTY, OF THE SITE PLAN CAN BE USED FOR LODGING? SHOULD THAT LOT BE NEEDED IN WHATEVER TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE IS GOING ON THAT PROPERTY. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WOULD THAT WORK OUT? I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD GET US TO WHERE WE ARE SAYING WE NEED IT.

THE COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING BOARD WERE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME TYPE OF LODGING ELEMENT TO FACILITATE THIS AND THAT IS WHAT WE WANT. HOW WOULD THAT LOOK AS FAR AS A MIXED-USE TYPE ? WE CAN LIMIT THE PERCENTAGE. IT CANNOT BE 50/50 HOUSING AND THE OTHER 50 MEGA YACHT. IT HAS TO BE WHATEVER TYPE OF SQUARE FOOTAGE

THAT IS APPROPRIATE. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT MAYBE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE RATIO OF CREW TO YACHT. AND WORKING OUT THE LIKELY DEMAND OF THAT. I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE QUITE COMPLEX. THE MAGIC INVOLVED IN THAT. BUT THE IDEAL OF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OR CERTAIN AREA OR THAT CAN BE WORKED IN. THAT IS THE SORT OF IDEA THAT IF THAT WAS A DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD BE ASKED TO LOOK AT, AND THEN WE WOULD

LOOK AT THAT. >> YEAH. SO I THINK SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE REGULAR CYCLING PROCESS AND CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS. MAYBE SOME TYPE OF THE NET USE IS BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT WOULD HAVE A NEED FOR RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT . WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT IT AS A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE.

>> YOU WOULD HOPE. THE USE FOR MEGA YACHT REPAIR WOULD COME IN AS AN ASSOCIATED APPLICATION. THAT WOULD INCORPORATE THAT ELEMENT WITHIN THAT OPERATION. YOU KNOW, STAFF AND THE CITIZENS AND COMMISSIONS AND BOARDS WOULD HAVE A GOOD IDEA OF HOW THAT OPERATION INTERACTED WITH EACH COMPONENT. IN DESIGNING THEM AS A HOLISTIC OPERATION WHERE ALLOWING FOR CREW BEING INCORPORATED INTO THE NARRATIVE OF WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE SITE.

>> OKAY, YEAH. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO MANUFACTURE AWAY REGULATING -- A WAY REGULATING THAT.

>> WE COULD DO THAT BUT IT IS COMPLICATED, BUT I THINK IT IS WORTH THE EFFORT IN THIS CASE. AS I SAID BEFORE, WHATEVER ENDS UP GOING HERE IS GOING TO BE THERE FOR A LONG TIME. IT COULD EITHER BE THE BENEFIT OR THE DETRIMENT OF OUR PORT AND THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY OF IT. WE HAVE A MAJOR ASSET HERE. THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE SO WE CAN GET THE MOST OUT OF IT AS WE CAN.

SOMEONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> THANK YOU.

>> YEAH. >> GOT IT.

>> AFTER LISTENING TO YOUR CONVERSATIONS AND LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES IN THEIR CONCERNS, I SHARE THOSE SIMILAR CONCERNS.

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YOU SAID SOMETHING, 40 PARCELS, MAYBE 12 OWNERS. GIVE OR TAKE TWO. SINCE WE ARE IN A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING, WHERE ARE THOSE 12 OWNERS? HOW DO WE EXPAND ON THIS , THE ONCE YOU

HAVE TALKED TO? >> THE MAJORITY OF PROPERTY OWNERS I'VE SPOKEN TO ARE -- THIS IS WHERE THIS MATRIX ESSENTIALLY HAS BEEN DEVELOPED TO GOING BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. EVEN NOW, OVER THE WEEKEND, I RECEIVED SOME OTHER SUGGESTIONS. THEY WOULD AMEND SOME OF THESE USES ARE PUT SOME USES IN CONDITIONAL .

THAT IS ALWAYS ONGOING AS PEOPLE TRY TO RATIONALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THEM. WE HAVE , PERSONALLY, I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH COUNTY STAFF. I UNDERSTAND THEIR POSITION.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY ARE PROMOTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PORT MASTER PLAN AS IT LOOKS. SO STAFF HAS BEEN IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE WITH THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT EVEN WITH THIS PRESENTATION, SOME PEOPLE WILL BE FRUSTRATED, YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. BUT I THINK -- OF STAFF BEING ABLE TO BEING ABLE TO HEAR THIS MANY PROPERTY OWNERS WITH DIVERSE INTERESTS AND PLANS IN A WAY THAT WAS NOT ULTIMATELY BRINGING SOMETHING FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND

>> THAT IS THE REASON WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. WE WILL BE IN A BETTER POSITION IN THE 12 OR HOWEVER MANY OWNERS ARE THE ONES TELLING US THEY DO NOT MIND PUTTING SOMETHING IN AS CONDITIONAL. CONDITIONAL USE. INSTEAD OF US COMING TOGETHER WITH YOURSELF SAYING WE WANT TO MAKE THIS GO AND CONDITIONAL USE. AT THAT TIME, I THINK WE ARE REAL CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY RIGHT ISSUE I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHEN I SEE THIS. AGAIN, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE SCRAP METAL OR CONTAINERS. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. BUT I DEFINITELY DO NOT WANT TO SEE A CONDO AS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SET BUT I'M LOOKING OUT HERE AND SOMETHING ELSE COMES UP AFTER WE APPROVE A CONDO AND NOW I AM JUST LOOKING AT ONE, YOU KNOW? IT WAS NOT CONCRETE OR WHATEVER YOU SAID, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. WE COME BACK AND PROVE THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING. AND I GET 1000 EMAILS AND QUESTIONS AS TO WHY DID WE DO THAT. OR I AM GETTING AN EMAIL FROM MADAME ATTORNEY SAYING , BY THE WAY, WE GOT THIS DOCUMENT IN THE MAIL TODAY. YOU KNOW, WE GOT THIS LITIGATION GOING ON BASED ON WHATEVER. I'M TIRED OF GOING DOWN THAT PATH. I TOLD SOMEBODY TODAY IT FELT LIKE MY FIRST TIME HAS JUST BEEN NOT MOVING FORWARD , FIXING PROBLEMS THAT HAPPENED BEFORE I GOT HERE. THAT IS JUST HOW I AM FEELING TODAY. I AM JUST BEING HONEST.

I AM LIKE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE SOME MORE CATEGORIES, I GUESS, BASED ON CONVERSATIONS THAT SOME OF THE OWNERS OF THIS LAND WANT TO CHANGE . I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WANT TO PUT IT BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY OR, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONAL. I DON'T KNOW. I CANNOT VOTE OR GIVE YOU ANY TYPE OF DIRECTION WHEN YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. WE HAVE QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT DOES NOT DO THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE ANY GOOD UNTIL WE KIND OF KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THESE OWNERS ARE WILLING TO DO AND NOT DO. AT THAT POINT, OKAY. THIS IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OF THE OWNERS ARE FACING. AT THAT TIME, THEY WOULD'VE HAD -- HEARD OUR

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CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT WANT THIS TYPE, WE DO NOT WANT THAT TYPE OF PUT THAT IN CONDITIONAL AND THEN WE ARE READY, I HATE TO SAY THE WORD. DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND. BUT THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO PROTECT THE PORT , AND ALSO BEING MINDFUL FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE PROPERTY. IT HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF HAPPY MEDIUM. SO WITH WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, I DON'T THINK THIS IS -- IT IS NOT RIGHT FOR A VOTE TO EVEN GET TO SECOND READING. WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY WHAT YOU JUST SAID. YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO SOME OWNERS AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME MORE CONDITIONAL USES THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO PUT UP.

I AM NOT SEEING THAT HERE. I DO NOT LIKE GIVING DIRECTION WHEN I DO NOT HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTS. I HAVE GOT TO SAY FINAL DOCUMENT.

SOMETHING LIKE THIS, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET A FINAL DOCUMENT BECAUSE YOU WILL GET ONE OR TWO OWNERS , OWNERS, ARE YOU LISTENING? THAT IS YOUR RIGHT. I UNDERSTAND IT IS YOUR PROPERTY. IT IS YOUR RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY.

BUT ALSO, AS ONE WHO WAS VOTED TO SIT UP HERE, I HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR RIGHT VERSUS THE RIGHTS OF SAVING THE PORT, PROTECTING THE PORT. AND I TO LOOK OUT FOR RESIDENTS OF FORT PIERCE. I KNOW WHAT THE COUNTY IS GOING TO SAY. I AM PRETTY SURE. I KNOW THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE READY FOR ME TO STOP SO THEY CAN COME TO THE MICROPHONE . EVEN WITH THAT, I DO NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION, YOU KNOW? ALL THE INFORMATION I NEED TO CONFIDENTLY GIVE YOU THE DIRECTION WHERE TO GO. SO THAT IS WHERE I AM AT, MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. I CONCUR. I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE PORT CHANGING OR TURN INTO SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, 100 YEARS FROM NOW , COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, I WILL NOT BE HERE, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO BE HERE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND IF I'M NOT SITTING IN THE SEAT, AND SOMETHING GOES IN THAT PORT AND I TRY TO GO TO PUBLIX AND SOMEONE IS YELLING AT ME BECAUSE I WAS HOLDING A SEAT AT THAT TIME. AND PEOPLE WANT TO PROTECT THIS PORCH. I GET IT. BUT ME AND MADAME ATTORNEY, WE GO ABOUT IT. I AM NOT PUTTING IT ON. I'M NOT PUTTING IT ON. BUT MY TRAINER SAYING I AM WALKING A REAL FINE LINE HERE. THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE OWNER VERSUS THE WANTS AND THE RIGHTS OF THE CITY. I AM VERY UNCOMFORTABLE RIGHT NOW. I WOULD LOVE A DOCUMENT WITH MORE INPUT FROM THE OWNERS TO SAY WHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO. AT THAT POINT, TRY TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM TO SAY, HEY, CAN WE JUST PUSH ONE MORE OVER? AND GET THEM TO AGREE TO THE TABLE AND WE COME TO DECIDE THAT WE WANT THE -- AND IF IT IS NOT A FIGHT HERE, IT IS GOING TO BE A FIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

YOU KNOW, IN THAT BUILDING UNTIL THE COMPANY MOVES IT BUT I'M TRYING TO AVOID THAT, I REALLY AM. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T WANT NO CONTAINERS. I DON'T WANT NO METAL. I DO NOT WANT ANYTHING COMING IN TO DESTROY OR CAUSE ANY TYPE OF DAMAGE TO THE MARINE AREA. THE AREA WE HAVE AT THAT PORT. THAT IS -- THAT THE FORT PIERCE HAS AT THAT PORT. ALL THE PORTS AROUND US TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH, THEY ARE ALL DEVELOPED OR THEY ARE IN BAD SHAPE. OURS IS STILL PRETTY CLEAN AND GOOD.

THAT IS MY GOAL HERE. BUT I ALSO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, BE VERY COGNIZANT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE I DO NOT PUT THE MONEY DOWN TO BUY THAT LAND. HOWEVER THEY GOT ACCOMMODATED. SO I WILL HAVE MORE INPUT FROM THEM. IF THEY ARE LISTENIG TO ME, YOU KNOW, GET WITH DIRECTOR FREEMAN. YOU KNOW, I SAY, LET US KNOW OR

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LET HIM KNOW IF YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO, YOU KNOW, HELP US OUT TO GET THERE SO WE CAN ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE AND GET TO WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO GET.

>> >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS , MR. FREEMAN. FIRST , A MINOR ONE. I WATCH -- WATCH THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING. PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT SEA PLANES AND THEN THEY STARTED TALKING ABOUT TRAN18. AS A RESULT OF THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING, YOU ADDED SEA PORTS, I BELIEVE DID

YOU REALLY MEAN THAT ? >> YEAH, I THINK ON THE MINUTES

IT SAYS SEA PORTS. >> YET, BUT WHEN THE CONVERSATION STARTED, PEOPLE, SOMEHOW, SOMEBODY SLIPPED -- BUT I THINK THEY MEANT HAVING A SEA PLANE PORT. A SEA PORT IS WHAT IT IS ALREADY. THAT IS MY NOTE. WORDS MATTER WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO THIS KIND OF STUFF, RIGHT? SO THE COUNTY IS THE PORT AUTHORITY. THE PORT IS INSIDE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. SO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE HAS THE RIGHT TO ZONE , HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE RIGHT TO ZONE. THE COUNTY, UNLIKE OTHER SEA PORTS, BUT HERE IN OUR PORT , WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT LANDOWNERS. SO THE COUNTY WANT TO BE A GOOD SEA PORT AUTHORITY. BASICALLY, WHAT THEY CAN DO IS HAVE A MASTER PLAN. AND HOPE THINGS WORK OUT. SO AND HOPE WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. AND ONE OF THE THINGS , I WAS ON THE BOARD ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR MANY YEARS THAT CAME UP WITH THE MASTER PLAN.

THERE WAS SORT OF THE PUSH AND PULL , CARGO OR NO CARGO, THE MEGAWATT -- MEGA YACHT. WE WANT TO CLEAN PORT. I THINK NOBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT. WE WANT A CLEAN PORT, CLEAN INDUSTRY, AND A CLEAN PORT. I THINK YOU TOOK OVER THE PORT MASTER PLAN AND WERE PART OF THE TWEAKING OF IT IN 2020. SO THE COUNTY HAS A VERY DEFINITE IDEA OF WHAT THEY WANT IT FOR. AND WHAT WE HAVE, ZONING ALREADY IN PLACE. THIS CHART REFLECTS THAT. IS THAT

CORRECT? >> YES, ESSENTIALLY YES.

>> SO YOU HAVE NOT CHANGED ANY ZONING ON THIS?

>> NO. >> SO COMMISSIONER GAINES IS RIGHT. WHEN PEOPLE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, THEY BOUGHT IT WITH

THAT . >> YES.

>> SO WE ARE, AND YOU HAVE BEEN, YOU HAVE DONE A NOBLE JOB OF TRYING TO MAKE THIS ALL COME TOGETHER AND EVERYBODY HAPPY. I THINK YOU SAID YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT TO A HALF YEARS AND PEOPLE BEFORE YOU WERE WORKING ON IT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO DO, WE MAY NEED THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, IS HAVING A MEETING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. I HEARD FROM COUNTY STAFF. THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BUILDINGS BEING TOO TALL. THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING AN OPERATION THERE THAT IS GOING TO BE SCRAPPED METAL. THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT LODGING. THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND LODGING WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE IT IN THE MASTER PLAN. SO I AGREE WE ARE NOT REALLY READY TO HAVE , TO HAMMER THIS OUT. BUT I ALSO AGREE THAT PROPERTY RIGHTS , THIS IS A PROPERTY RIGHT STATE. I AGREE THAT THE LANDOWNERS, AND YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM. YOU HAVE BEEN BRINGING THEM IN. HAS ALREADY HEARD FROM THEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO BUT BACK TO THE MINOR SITE PLAN. YOU SAID, THE MINOR SITE PLAN AT 10,000 -- THE DEFINITION. WHAT THAT MEANS IF IT IS PERMITTED, 10,000 FEET OR LESS, IT GOES TO THE FAST TRACK.

IS THAT RIGHT? >> NO. WITHIN THIS OVERLAY, IT OVERRIDES THAT 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT LIMIT. WHETHER WE APPLY A DIFFERENT LIMIT , YOU KNOW, IT IS MORE RELATED TO WHAT

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THE COUNTY APPLIES IN TERMS OF THEIR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. OR WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE SO CERTAIN THAT THE PERMITTED USES ARE THE USES THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE THAT WE USE THE OVERLAY TO ESTABLISH A FAST-TRACK DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. HAVING THE USES EVERYBODY IS COMFORTABLE WITH BEING PERMITTED , IN THAT COLUMN, THAT IS ESSENTIAL TO HAVING THAT PROCESS ACCEPTED .

>> CORRECT. THAT IS MY POINT. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE STICKING POINT. BECAUSE IF IT IS GOING TO OVERRIDE THAT, AND WE ARE INTERESTED IN FAST TRACKING, BECAUSE MY MEMORY IS, WHEN I WORKED WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND WHEN I WAS INVOLVED IN THIS, WAS THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THE COUNTY SUPPORT AUTHORITY IN THE -- IN THE LANDOWNERS SAID, WHAT CAN WE DO? WHAT CAN WE DO? SO THE COUNTY SAID, CITY, PLEASE COME UP WITH AN OVERLAY DISTRICT. PLEASE COME UP WITH SOMETHING SO EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON WHAT THEY CAN DO. YOU HAVE COME UP WITH SOMETHING SO EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON WHAT TO DO. OF COURSE, EVERYBODY IS NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH. ALL OF US HAVE HAD TO LEARN EVERY DAY YOU CANNOT MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS, ONE THING YOU SAID , WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE PORT DEVELOPED. TRYING TO FAST-TRACK FOR SOME DEVELOPMENT AT THE PORT. THERE IT SITS UNDERUTILIZED.

NOW YOU TELL ME THE 10,000 THING WOULD BE THAT KIND OF FAILSAFE IF IT WAS SOMETHING OVER THAT. THEN THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE MORE SAY SO IN THE LANDOWNER WOULD HAVE MORE SAY SO.

>> WHAT STAFF WAS ATTEMPTING TO GET HERE , AND WE DID NOT GET ANY LIMITATIONS THAT WHAT THAT PRINT POINT WAS, WAS TO SET OUT A MECHANISM WHERE, I WILL USE THE DESCRIPTION. THAT IS WHAT IT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING LOOKS LIKE IN THE PORT AREA.

ALMOST EVERYTHING , IF WE SET THAT LIMIT ON THE PORT AREA, EVERYTHING WOULD BE RUN THROUGH.

>> IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LONG PROCESS?

>> IT WOULD BE AN ATTEMPT IN TERMS OF HAVING THE CONDITIONAL USE, TO TRY TO SEGREGATE THE USES OUT INTO, LET'S BE PRECISE ABOUT WHICH USES WOULD COME THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVELY. IN WHICH USES NEED FURTHER CONSIDERATION. THERE ARE SOME SAFEGUARDS PROPOSED IN THE OVERLAY REGARDING HEIGHT , REGARDING LOT COVERAGE AND ALL OF THOSE OTHER THINGS YOU WOULD NORMALLY GET FROM A SITE PLAN. BUT ESSENTIALLY, USING THAT CONDITIONAL BREAKPOINT ALLOWS THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A FAST TRACK. IT IS VERY, VERY, I AM JUST HEARING CONDITIONALS.

HEARING THOSE HERE TODAY. IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE CERTAIN ABOUT WHICH USES ARE ALLOWED IN THE PERMITTED AREA.

NOT TO BE SEEN , UNDERSTAND , THE CITY WANTS TO BE SEEN AS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR JOBS. ALL THE THINGS WE ARE TRYING TO ESTABLISH IN THE PORT. ON THE OTHER END OF THAT, WE WANT TO BE SEEN AS BEING PROTECTORS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY . THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE. THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY OF FORT PIERCE. THIS IS WHY, AND I DO NOT LIKE DOING THIS. CAN I EXPRESS THAT TO YOU ALL? BRINGING TO CITY COMMISSION THAT IS WAY OF BRINGING FORWARD THE DISCUSSION AND GETTING, YOU MIGHT NOT THINK THAT YOU ARE NOT MAKING DIRECTION , BUT YOU ARE.

I AM LOOKING AT EVERYTHING YOU ARE SAYING HERE. THERE IS ANOTHER ARGUMENT BETWEEN THE CITY CONDITIONS I AM HEARING. I PROPOSE THAT YOU ALL -- THAT GIVES ME A BETTER FOUNDATION AND I HOPE TO BRING PEOPLE TO THE TABLE AS A GROUP.

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>> >> YEAH. WE ARE A SMALL PORT COMPARED TO OTHER PORTS, AREN'T WE? COMPARED TO OTHER SEA PORTS? I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE THE SMALLEST, BUT WE ARE A SMALL

ONE. >> YES.

>> WE CAN NEVER BE LIKE THE PORT OF MIAMI? OR WHATEVER THAT IS UP --? WE DO NOT ASPIRE TO THAT. WE DO NOT ASPIRE TO THAT. WE ARE A NICHE PORT. WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THAT. I THINK ALL OF US HERE HAVE VOICED HOW CAREFUL WE WANT TO BE ABOUT WHAT GOES INTO THAT PORT. SO IT IS COMPATIBLE AND CLEAN. IT BRINGS US A GOOD TAX BASE. IT MAKES SENSE. AND IT DOES NOT HURT THE WATER. IT DOES

NOT HURT THE WATERWAYS. >> MADAME MAYOR, IT BRINGS VALUE

TO EACH OF THE PROPERTY . >> YES, IT IS SIMPLE, MR. FREEMAN. I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT.

LAUGHTER ] RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.

>> THE OTHER PIECE OF THAT FOR ME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS CAN WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE PLAYS WELL, RIGHT? YOU JUST BROUGHT UP SEA PORTS LANDED, YACHTS TRYING TO MOVE AROUND, PEOPLE DROPPING THEIR BOATS IN AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF COMPETING INTERESTS AND PEOPLE TRYING TO RECREATE IN A LITTLE SPACE WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT . THAT GIVES ME GREAT HEARTBURN. WHEN I HEARD ABOUT PLANES TRYING TO LAND AND YACHTS TRYING TO TAKE OFF FROM THE DOCK AND PEOPLE TRYING TO LAUNCH THEIR CRAFT AND HAVE FUN IN A RECREATIONAL PARK, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT INTERESTS . I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. ON TOP OF THAT, YOU MAY WANT TO TRY TO LAND A HELICOPTER. IT IS A LOT HERE, RIGHT? SO I THINK, MR. FREEMAN, MY SENTIMENT IS, AND I THINK -- I DID TALK TO THE CHAIR OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION ABOUT THIS IN MY CONCERNS. I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE PROPERTY PARCELS THEY OWN. HARBOUR POINTE AND DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THEY WERE COMING ALONG WITH THAT.

BUT I THINK SHE AND I HAD SHARED SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS. AND I THINK WITH THE FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WHICH I ENCOURAGED HER TO ACCELERATE THIS AND GET THIS GOING. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS TOO LONG. YES, SHE WAS OPEN TO THAT.

TRYING TO ACCELERATE THAT PROCESS OF GETTING THIS TOGETHER.

>> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON FOR PUTTING THAT VISION IN MY HEAD OF SEA PORTS, YACHTS, AND A PERSONAL VESSEL. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THAT HEADACHE. BUT JUST IMAGINING ALL OF THOSE THREE YOU SEPARATE AND THEN YOU

THROW IN A HELICOPTER. >> THE TRAIN.

>> THE DRAIN. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I AGREE. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS, THEY'LL COME TOGETHER. MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR. THE NICHE PORT , THAT IS WHAT WE ARE. A NICHE PORT. THAT WILL STICK WHEN WE ARE TRYING TO GET THIS WHOLE MASTER PLAN TOGETHER. I LIKE THAT TERM.

>> DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE OPEN IT UP TO THE

PUBLIC? >> IT IS NICHE. IT IS FRENCH.

>> I WILL LET YOU SAY IT NEXT TIME.

>> WHERE THE STICKING POINTS ARE. I THINK YOU HAVE GOT THE PROPER AMOUNT OF INPUT. I THINK YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS LONG ENOUGH THAT I AM READY TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ON THIS. THE IDEA OF A HELICOPTER AND A YACHT OUT THERE MAKES ME EXCITED. THAT MEANS THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THAT MAKES ME EXCITED TO SEE THAT . THAT WOULD BE A FUN PROBLEM TO

HAVE. >>

>> ANYWAY, I THINK THE DEFINITION AND I HAVE IT IN HERE. THE LODGING RESIDENTIAL, CORPORATE RESIDENTIAL. I THINK IF WE CAN GET THAT TO WHERE THAT IS A COMPONENT, AS LONG AS THERE IS ANOTHER USE HAPPENING WITH THE MEGA YACHT, I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE A LOT MORE SENSE TO ME. WHERE THAT IS NOT ITS OWN PERSONAL USE, THE LODGING. JUST BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF SPACE.

WE HAVE -- IN THE -- THEY CAN GO TO A HOTEL DOWN THE STREET VERY

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CLOSELY. HOPEFULLY, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER A COUPLE MILES DOWN THE STREET ONE DAY. SO I WOULD THINK, I DO NOT WANT TO LIMIT IT, BUT THE OTHER TWO LODGING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVED TO CONDITIONAL ON BOTH NORTH AND SOUTH. IN THE LODGING CORPORATE, I THINK EITHER ALSO MOVED TO CONDITIONAL, BUT FIGURE OUT HOW TO HAVE THAT AS A COMPONENT OF A BROADER USE . PART OF THE SITE PLAN ITSELF.

I THINK I LIKE THE FAST TRACKING OF THE PERMIT OF THE MINOR SITE PLAN. I THINK THAT IS REALLY SMART . I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME OF THESE COMING THROUGH HERE AND SEE SOME ACTIVITY. ON SOME OF THESE UNDERDEVELOPED PARCELS. IT MAKES ME THINK OF , I SEE LESLIE OLSON IN THE AUDIENCE. I DO NOT WANT TO CALL HER OUT, BUT AT THE COUNTY, THEY HAD MOVED SOME , KIND OF GAVE THE PLANNING AND ELEMENT DIRECTOR SOME MORE ADMINISTRATIVE POWER. DO YOU RECALL HOW THEY PUT IT IN THE CODE ITSELF AND WHAT WE VOTED ON? THERE WAS A WAY, LIKE, THERE WERE THRESHOLDS IN CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT COULD JUST GO TO THE PLANNING AND IT WOULD BE DONE IN IT IS RATABLY? WHAT IF THE PROJECT WAS DEEMED TO BE CONTROVERSIAL OR, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT MORE , MORE INPUT TO IT, THEY HAD THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE THAT TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CONSIDERATION. SO EVEN IF WE HAVE THESE PERMITTED USES, IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, GOD FORBID, WE MISS IN THIS PROCESS.

HEY, WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF INPUT FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND THIS COULD BE A BIG DEAL. THAT IS KIND OF UPGRADING THE THREAT LEVEL , FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD. IT IS NOT BEING DENIED OR ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED. WE ARE KIND OF PASSING THE BUCK TO YOU. WE CAN KIND OF UPGRADED AND GET IT BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION AS A WHOLE. I DO KNOW HOW EXACTLY THEY WERE THAT .

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> I THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING USEFUL. JUST BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A BIG DEAL. I THINK

I AM DONE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. EACH PERSON HAS THREE MINUTES. THREE MINUTES WITH A 10 SECOND WARNING. WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. AND PLEASE CONFORM -- CONFIRM IF YOU WERE SWORN IN.

>> GOOD EVENING. MAYOR HUDSON, COMMISSIONERS WOULD I AM CHRISTINA BELL AND I AM AT 1501 PARKLAND BOULEVARD. I AM A PRINCIPAL OF -- , AS OF YOUR WHERE, THAT IS THE LARGEST

LANDOWNER IN THE SOUTHPORT. >> I WANT TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU TO KEVIN FOR HIS EXCEPTIONAL DILIGENCE AND HIS HARD WORK . YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAVE STRUCK A BALANCE , ACHIEVING AN ORDINANCE, I FEEL, READY FOR APPROVAL. NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE CITY COMMISSION TO TRUST , AND I EMPHASIZE THAT WORD "TRUST." TO TRUST THEIR TEAM AND APPROVE THE SUBSTANTIAL ORDINANCE. I USE THE WORD SUSTAINABLE BECAUSE KEVIN HAS SUCCESSFULLY BALANCED THE PERMITTED AND THE CONDITIONAL USES TO ALIGN WITH THE PORT MASTER PLAN. IN A CHANGE FROM THE PERMITTED TO THE CONDITIONAL WOULD CONTRADICT THE MASTER PLAN. BY UTILIZING OUR EXISTING DEEPWATER ACCESS, THE PORT IS POSITIONED AS A KEY DRIVER FOR THE INCREASED PROSPERITY OF ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. I BELIEVE THIS ORDINANCE , AS DRAFTED, WILL CREATE MORE NEW JOBS AND REVENUE FOR BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. I WANTED TO SAY LET'S PASS THIS. LET'S PASS IT TONIGHT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS HAVE A BIT IN MY PAST LIFE, I RETIRED 37 YEARS AS A TRAFFIC CONTROL IT BUT I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITIES OF IN A VERY SMALL SPACE, PUTTING IN HELICOPTERS, HEAVY JET, PROP PLANES, SEA PLANE, AND DRONES.

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IT IS CHALLENGING, NO DOUBT. I REALLY FEEL WE HAVE REACHED A BALANCE AND WE NEED TO TRUST OUR STAFF AND OUR PROCESS. IT'S TIME. LET'S PASS THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. WHO IS NEXT?

>> MADAME MAYOR, CITY COMMISSIONERS. JOSH -- FOR THE RECORD. OF ST. LUCIE. I RESIDE AT THE PORT.

>> SPEAK ON THIS MATTER. I'VE HAD TALKS WITH MANY OF YOU ABOUT THIS PROPOSED ZONING OVERRIDE. I WANT TO STATE A FEW THINGS SO WE ARE CLEAR . THE COUNTY IS PORT AUTHORITY , AND I ACT AS THE PORT DIRECTOR. I APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ISSUING AND THE MASTER PLAN. IN CORDING THOSE DREDGE EFFORTS REQUIRED TO KEEP THE PORT ACTIVE. THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE TURNING BASIN. AND THE CHANNEL. THOSE ARE FEDERAL ELEMENTS. SO FEDERAL DOLLARS FROM TO THOSE EFFORTS TO MAINTAIN THAT ACCESS. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE LAND IN QUESTION, A MAJORITY OF THAT IS ADJACENT TO PRIVATE ENTITIES. BUT IT IS NOT A PRIVATE FUTURE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND THAT. AS YOU MOVE FORWARD IN TIME, WE HAVE VARIOUS ELEMENTS WE NEED TO CONSIDER TO ENSURE IT IS OPERATING IN THE HIGHEST USE. ONE OF THOSE ROLES IS TO MAKE SURE THE MASTER PLAN COMES TO FRUITION. THERE IS NO OTHER GUIDING DOCUMENT ANYONE ELSE CAN SHOW ME THAT SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. AND THAT MASTER PLAN, WE FOCUS HEAVILY ON MEGA YACHTS AND BUILDING. TO A LESSER EXTENT, IMPORT AND EXPORT. IT IS ONLY REASONABLE TO SUGGEST THAT WHEN WE APPROACH ANY PROPOSED ZONING OVERLAY THAT THOSE PROPORTIONS ARE RELEVANT TO THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, WHAT WAS OUR PRIMARY OBJECTIVE? WHAT WAS OUR SECONDARY OBJECTIVE? THEY SHOULD BE WEIGHTED APPROPRIATELY. WE SAY THAT BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS ONE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS SMALL LOCATION CAN DISRUPT THE ENTIRE PORT MASTER PLAN IN THE VISION FOR THE PORT. THE COUNTY HAS COME OUT TO ASK WE DO MOVE SOME OF THOSE ITEMS TO CONDITIONAL USE SO THAT WE CAN FLUSH OUT WHAT THOSE PLANS MEAN FOR EVERYONE. FOR EVERYONE THAT LIVES IN THE VICINITY OF THAT TURNING BASIN IN THE CHANNEL. SO I CHALLENGE YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. ME, AS PORT DIRECTOR, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO CARGO. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO RECREATION. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO PROPERTY RIGHTS WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO DOING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT PROPERLY VETTED. THAT EVERYBODY CAN GET BEHIND. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE DEAL WITH IT FOR YEARS TO COME BUT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO SIT DOWN WITH YOUR PLANNING DIRECTOR AND LOOK AT THE PERMITTED USES IN THOSE CONDITIONAL USES. AS IT IS TODAY, ALL THE PERMITTED USES, THE COUNTY, IF THERE IS NO COMMUNICATION AT THE BOTTOM LEVEL, WE WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO INPUT AT ALL. AND WE BOOK IN THE ENTIRE PORCH. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. WHO IS NEXT?

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS. -- JOHNSON . I LIVE IN FORT PIERCE -- 19TH STREET.

>> YOU ARE SWORN IN? THANK YOU. >> I AM ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE ST. LUCIE WATER COUNCIL, A 501(C)(3) ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP.

WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSIONS AND MANY BATTLES .

IT FEELS LIKE THAT. WE ARE CONCERNED WITH OUR CITY, OUR COUNTY. IN THE ECONOMIC GROWTH OF THIS AREA. AS I LISTEN TO MR. FREEMAN, THERE WERE SOME NAMES AND TITLES OF THINGS , IMPORT/

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EXPORT, MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT , WORKING WATERFRONT. I WANT US TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL. WE ARE, INDEED, ONE OF THE 15 PORTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE ARE ONE OF THE TWO SMALLEST. OUR PORT, ALTHOUGH IT HAS BEEN DEGRADED OVER THE YEARS, IT IS STILL ONE OF THE MOST BIOLOGICALLY SUSTAINED AREAS IN THE STATE , BASICALLY. WE CANNOT COMPETE WITH THE EXTRAORDINARY CARGO PORTS UP AND DOWN OUR STATE. WE MUST BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THINGS WE SUPPORT. WE HAVE SUPPORTED -- COMPROMISED . THE MEGA YACHT INDUSTRY. OUR SUPPORT HAS ALWAYS BEEN MARINE INDUSTRY AND PROJECTS THAT WERE ECONOMICALLY AND ECOLOGICALLY SUSTAINABLE. WE LIVE IN A PRECIOUS AREA. WE MUST ALSO IN DEVELOPMENT AND PERSONAL USES OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, KEEPING IN MIND COASTAL RESILIENCY. THAT IS A CONCERN THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AS YOU KNOW, WE LIVE IN AN ODD STATEMENT WE ARE SURROUNDED THREE QUARTERS BY WATER. DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT VERY, VERY CAREFULLY.

I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE FACT THAT MR. KING BROUGHT UP THE 1966 -- GOOD IN THAT, COUPLE OF THINGS I WROTE DOWN. THE SHORELINE PROTECTION. IN THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON. SO LET'S KEEP THAT FRONT OF MIND. HONORING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. WILL BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL. AGAIN, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MEGA YACHT INDUSTRY.

WHENEVER WE HEAR ABOUT CARGO PORTS, WE GET VERY, VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT THEM. SO MORE DISCUSSION. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING VERY CLOSELY.

>> THANK YOU, MAN. WHO IS NEXT? >> GOOD EVENING, MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER. MY NAME IS -- REPRESENTING SAFE HARBOR MARINAS. 1936 HARBOR TOWN DRIVE IN FORT PIERCE. IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.

>> YOU ARE SWORN IN, CORRECT? >> YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> SAFE HARBOR MARINA OWNS 138 MARINAS. THEY ARE THE LARGEST MARINA ENTITY IN THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE 40,000 MEMBERS AND THEY ARE VERY PROUD OF THE HARBOR TOWN FACILITY. SO MUCH , COMMISSIONER GAINES, I KNOW HOW MUCH IMPLEMENT ME WITH YOU ON THIS ENTIRE COMMISSION. JUST COMPLETED $10 MILLION WORTH OF RENOVATIONS AT THOSE FACILITIES. ALL PERMITTED. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOUR PROFESSIONAL STAFF OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THEY JUST DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. WE HAVE 259 SLIPS, 24 EMPLOYEES. I NEED TO SAY THANK YOU TO THIS MAN TO MY RIGHT. MAYOR, YOU SAID NOBLE.

ABSOLUTELY. A NOBLE JOB HE HAS DONE. ALSO HAD TO HAVE THE WISDOM OF SOLOMON TO TRY TO BRING ALL OF THESE FOLKS TOGETHER. COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, I APPRECIATED WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT WE ARE ON THE NORTH OVERLAY ZONE. WE ARE ALL DEVELOPED. THEY ARE KIND OF OUT HERE , EXCEPT FOR PERHAPS REDEVELOPMENT. THIS CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT IN ITS TOTALITY THAT WE ARE NOT, AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SOUTH OVERLAY ZONE, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE YOUR NEW DEVELOPMENT THERE.

AND I THINK YOUR SLIDE NUMBER NINE SAID IT BEST. PROPOSES FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN FORT PIERCE OVERLAY ZONE WILL PROCEED THROUGH MINOR SITE PLAN PROCESS OR CONDITIONAL USE. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO US. WE ARE ALREADY DEVELOPED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE GRID KEVIN HAS ON NUMBER 23, SLIDE 23, THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE A LITTLE HEARTBURN WITH IS WHAT IS CALLED PASSIVE PARK RESTORATION

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OR WATER RECHARGE. A LITTLE BIT HALFWAY DOWN. HE HAS US THERE FOR CONDITIONAL USE. WE WILL NOT EVER, THERE WILL NOT BE A PARK WHERE WE ARE AT, UNLESS IT IS COMPLETELY DEMOLISHED AND REDONE. RECREATION IS THE WHOLE AREA. BUT STORM WATER RECHARGE IS THE ONE WE ARE HAVING CONCERNED WITH. LET'S SAY WE HAVE A MAJOR STORM COME IN AND YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO, IT BLOWS OUT THE WHOLE MARINA. WE REBUILD. AND NOW WE HAVE STORM WATER RECHARGE AND WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE VERY ERIN IS FOR THE TELL ME AND DOLLARS WE JUST SPENT THERE, IMAGINE US HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS WITH THAT. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TREMENDOUSLY ERIN'S.

SO VERY SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT KEVIN HAS PRODUCED HERE. I APPRECIATE

YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WHO IS NEXT?

>> MY NAME IS TOM -- I LIVE AT 20 NORTH PALM LANE. I HAVE --

>> FOR USE ON IT, SIR? >> YES. I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO BUT I WILL GO THROUGH THIS REALLY QUICK.

INAUDIBLE ] THE ELEMENTS OF THE PROPERTY WILL AFFECT THE ST.

LUCIE COUNTY , ALSO KNOWN AS WATERMARK COMMUNITIES? NOT MY PROPERTY. AT NO TIME WAS THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HELD BY -- .

1302 NORTH SECOND STREET , OWNED BY MACARTHUR AND MACARTHUR TRUST. IT WAS OWNED BY FROM. THE ORIGINAL PLATTING OF THAT. FOR SOME REASON, MY PROPERTY HAS ENDED UP IN THE J504. IN A FEW READ THE ORDINANCE ITSELF , IT TALKS ABOUT -- WITH THE COUNTY AND EVERYONE ELSE. THAT PROPERTY , BOTH, I MEAN, THE WATERMARK.

THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING WITH THAT PROPERTY. THEY TRIED, BUT THE TOWN HAS DONE A BUNCH OF STUFF WITH THAT PROPERTY. BOTH OF THEM FALL UNDER THIS J504. SO THE THING IS , IT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. IT NEEDS TO GO AWAY. IT IS FLAT ON ITS FACE. NOW, THE OTHER THING IS THAT I THINK KEVIN HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB WITH THIS. HE HAS TALKED TO US ALL.

THERE IS CURRENTLY NOT ANY VIABLE WAY FOR MYSELF -- WHEN I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY, IT WAS HEAVY MARINE INDUSTRIA. THAT IS WHY I BOUGHT IT. DUE TO THIS CLOUDING OF MY PROPERTY, I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO DEVELOP MY PROPERTY OR SELL MY PROPERTY IN ANY FASHION FOR 25 YEARS. THINK ABOUT THAT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A TAKING.

THAT IS TAKING. I THINK WHEN YOU GO TO -- AND YOU SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TRIED TO DO AND WHAT IS GOING ON FOR 25 YEARS , THAT IS A TAKING AND IT IS NOT RIGHT. THIS IS, I UNDERSTAND THE -- THE 1966 -- THAT THEY BASED THIS ON. THAT WAS DONE WHEN MACARTHUR WAS POPPING UP THE LANDON HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE STATE TO BUILD A PORT. MACARTHUR DECIDED IT WAS TOO MUCH HEADACHE AND HE WENT AWAY WITH THE MONEY TO DO OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE WHO HAS DONE THAT. DURING THIS TIME. I DO NOT HAVE A MORTGAGE -- DOES NOT HAVE A MORTGAGE. IN SOME WAYS, WE HAVE BEEN SQUEEZED IN A NUMBER OF WAYS ON THE SONY BUT I WANT TO SAY THIS HAS GOT TO MOVE FORWARD IN SOME FASHION.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. >> WHO IS NEXT?

>> GOOD EVENING, MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. -- 9950 OCEAN DRIVE , OVER ON HUTCHISON ISLAND. I HAVE BEEN SWORN IN.

WE MIGHT'VE SAVED TWO YEARS IF WE HAD STARTED WITH THE PREMISE THAT THIS IS MAYBE THE MOST INCREDIBLY VALUABLE PROPERTY IN

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THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. PROBABLY IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. IF WE STARTED WITH THE PREMISE OF ANYTHING THAT IS BY RIGHTS TODAY , TO THE LANDOWNER , IT NEEDS TO STAY THERE FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES. NOTHING SHOULD GO FROM CONDITIONAL USE THOUGH TO BUY RIGHT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF WARNINGS THAT WOULD OPEN. I WANT TO READ FROM A LETTER TO OUR GOVERNOR FROM OUR STATE SENATOR.

PLEASE ACCEPT THIS LETTER AS MY FORMAL OBJECTION TO GRANTING APPROVAL TO THE SOVEREIGNS OF RIDGELAND LEASE APPLICATION OF -- BEACH. FOR THE REASONS PRIMARILY STATED IN THE CORRESPONDENCE TO DATE, I JOIN -- THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY COMMISSION, PREMATURITY COMMISSION, THE CITY OF ST.

LUCIE, ALONG WITH CITIZENS WITH THE -- BASED ORGANIZATIONS IN OPPOSING THE APPLICATION IN ITS ENTIRETY WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL MODIFICATION. THE CITIZENS OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY HAVE DILIGENTLY IN THEIR EFFORTS TO STOP IN THE EXPENDITURE OF CARGO PORT OPERATIONS AT THE PIER. AS STATED IN THEIR CORRESPONDENCE TO YOU, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL HAVE EMBRACED THE ROLE OF THE CITIZENS BY INCORPORATING INTO IT THE PORT MASTER PLAN DOCUMENTS , PLANNING AND ZONING CRITERIA, AND OTHER REGULATORY GUIDELINES.

FRANKLY, OUR VISION DOES NOT INCLUDE EXPANDED CARGO OPERATIONS AT THE PORT COULD IN FACT, ANY PROGRAMS WOULD NEGATE THE WORK DONE TO DATE AND REALIZING THE MASTER PLAN. THE DEBATE TO EXPAND ON CARGO OPERATIONS HAS POLARIZED THIS COMMUNITY FOR ALL TOO LONG. IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON WITH THE INITIATIVES PRUITT TO GOVERNOR JEFF BUSH. THAT IS A HINT ABOUT HOW LONG THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON. IT IS TIME TO PUT CARGO BEHIND US. I AM A PAST COUNTY COMMISSIONER. I'M A MEMBER OF THE CONSERVATION -- A DIRECTOR. I'M A DIRECTOR OF THE WATERFRONT COUNCIL AND PRESIDENT OF -- ISLAND.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> WE HAVE NOT BEEN INVOLVED

INAUDIBLE ] >> YOUR TIME IS UP, SIR. THANK

YOU. WHO IS NEXT? >> MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. THE SPEAKER BEFORE THE LAST SPEAKER, TWO SPEAKERS AGO, HEAD OF SOME INFORMATION TO SOME OF OUR -- JUST TO KEEP A CLEAN RECORD. THAT IS WHO THOSE MATERIALS CAME

FROM. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR

LETTING US KNOW. YES SIR? >> GOOD EVENING, MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS PORT VERSUS OTHER USES. AS THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT , EARLIER, AND THE WHOLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AS A DIRECTOR OF THE WATERFRONT COUNCIL , WE SPENT MOST OF THE TIME SEEKING OUT SCIENCE. SCIENTISTS WOULD COME FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER A CARGO PORT WAS ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE.

WHETHER IT WAS A CLEAN USE, OKAY? AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID, WE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY TO HAVE THIS PORT WITH OUR ORGANIZATION TO PUT THIS TOGETHER. KELLY -- SAID THAT CARGO PORT , AND THE LAGOON ENVIRONMENT, AFTER MARK A BIG NEGATIVE. I WILL READ A FEW THINGS FROM SOME OF THE STATE AGENCIES THAT HAVE SIGNED -- CHIMED IN ON THIS. THIS IS FROM THE FRESHWATER FISH AND GAME COMMISSION. THIS IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR SAYING, IT WOULD BE HARD TO PICK A MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LOCATION FOR EXPANSION OF PORT FACILITIES. THAT IS JUST ONE STATEMENT. HARRIS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES. THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND

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ADVOCATE NATURAL RESOURCE IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH EXPANSION OF THE PORT OF FORT PIERCE. OKAY. THESE ARE ALL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. BECAUSE OF THE PARTICULARLY RICH HABITATS AROUND FORT PIERCE, IT WOULD BE HARD TO PICK A MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LOCATION FOR EXPANSION OF PURPOSE. ANOTHER DP COMBAT. -- THE SEGREGATION OF WATER QUALITY BEFORE AMBIEN. IN THE OUTSTANDING FLORIDA WATERS ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT STATE DUE TO PHYSICAL AND OPERATIONAL EXPANSION. I HAVE GOT SO MANY MORE . I ONLY HAVE THREE MINUTES SO I CANNOT READ THEM ALL. THERE IS NO SCIENTIST WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED THAT WILL NOT TELL YOU THAT DEVELOPING A CARGO PORT HERE , NOT ANYWHERE, BUT HERE IN THE MOST DIVERSE MARINE -- IN THE CONTINENT OF NORTH AMERICA. THAT CAN BE COMPATIBLE. I MEAN, THE IDEA IT IS COMPATIBLE IS LUDICROUS. IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE.

THERE IS NOT A SCIENTIST YOU WILL FIND THAT WILL AGREE IT IS.

YOU KNOW, I DO NOT KNOW THE ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATION OR SCIENTIST, THE SYMBOL -- BUT TONY AND. TALKING TO ANYBODY IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE SWORN IN, CORRECT? THANK YOU. WHO IS NEXT?

>> YES, SIR. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS JACK MCCULLEY AND I WAS SWORN IN EARLY BED I CURRENTLY RESIDE AT -- DRIVE IN ST. LUCIE, FLORIDA. IF ANYBODY ELSE ASKED ME IN ANY OTHER REGION OF THE GLOBE , AND WHAT THIS PLACE IS ABOUT, I WOULD TELL THEM I AM FROM HERE. I KEEP TRYING TO ESCAPE THIS REGION IN A KEEP GETTING BROUGHT BACK TO ST. LUCIE IN MOST PLACES BUT MY HEART AND MOST OF MY ECONOMIC ACTIVITY REMAINS HERE IN FORT PIERCE HARBOR. I MUST APOLOGIZE IF I TANGENT OR ANYTHING. I AM THE OWNER OF -- LLC. MOST POORLY, I'M THE FATHER OF TWO BOYS BUT I'M THE VICE PRESIDENT OF -- WHICH IS A FORMER TENANT OF THE -- FORT PIERCE.

ONE FACTOR AMONG MANY THAT CONTRIBUTED TO MY FAMILY'S BUSINESS SHUTTING DOWN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. AND NO I DO HANDYMAN WORK ANESTHETICS FOR ALL OF YOU, ANYONE. IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN FORCED TO -- FORCE FROM MY HOME THAT WAS FORT PIERCE WHAT WAS BEING TOLD TO KEEP MY SHOES ON WHENEVER I GOT OUT OF THE TRUCK. AND I LEARNED TO DRIVE TO ALWAYS KEEP IT UNDER FIVE MILES PER HOUR BUT DO NOT UPSET THE COUNTY.

THE LAST AND ONLY TIME I HAVE BEEN TO THESE CHAMBERS WAS TO WATCH MY FATHER ASKED FOR PERMISSION WITH HIS BUSINESS PARTNER AND A CLOSE ONE AT THE TIME OF MS. BELL AND HER FATHER, FOR PERMISSION TO -- OF ANY VARIETY ANYWHERE IN THIS DEEPWATER ACCESS PORT. THAT WAS DENIED. THAT WAS OVER 30 YEARS AGO AND WE ARE STILL FIGHTING AND ARGUING ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT UTILIZE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY BY AND LARGE OWNED BY MISS BELLA. HER FATHER, LLOYD BELL, WAS A GOOD FRIEND OF MY FATHER'S THAT I CHALLENGE ANYONE HERE WHO WISHES TO BUILD NECK ARTIFICIAL REEF TO MAINTAIN ANY KIND OF MARINE INFRASTRUCTURAL OR BUILD BREAKWATERS THAT WILL PROTECT US FROM THE RISING FEES THAT ARE COMING. WHERE THE HECK ARE YOU GOING TO LOAD THE BARGE? THERE IS A LEFT IN FLORIDA TO LOAD A BARGE. IF YOU CAN FIND ME A DEEPWATER ACCESS LOCATION FOR UNDER $2 MILLION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW BUT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR 10 YEARS. IT DOES NOT EXIST. WE HAVE BILE. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DEEPWATER ACCESS PORT THAT WE CANNOT UTILIZE. WE HAVE ONE COMMERCIAL CARGO OPTION IN TOWN. ONLY ONE. AND AS MUCH AS I WORK WITH THEM AND I APPRECIATE THEIR BUSINESS, THEY STAND TO BENEFIT FROM FURTHER THE BENNETT -- AT THE PARK, WE DO NOT NEED TO MAINTAIN A MONOPOLY OF ANY KIND IN ANY KIND OF COMMERCE IN OUR

TOWN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> I THINK WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN HERE HAS CREATED AND WHAT YOUR STAFF HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON, MORE THAN ACCOUNTS FOR THE NEEDS

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OF OUR REGION. WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND PASS THIS. THANK YOU

VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WHO IS NEXT? YOU ARE UP. ANYONE ELSE?

>> WE ARE GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

FEMA -- >> CAN YOU PLEASE PUT THE LIST BACKUP? ALL RIGHT. MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. THIS IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING WHICH IS A LITTLE HEAVIER THAN A REGULAR HEARING. WHAT WAS PRESENTED TONIGHT BASED ON ANYTHING FOR MAKING OUR DECISION. AND I WAS MOVED BY SOME OF THE TESTIMONY. I HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS. MY QUESTION TO US HERE , AND I CANNOT ASK DIRECTOR FREEMAN. MY QUESTION UP HERE , AS I'M LOOKING ON THIS LIST, WE ARE IS , WHEN YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME. WE ARE IS THE WHOLE THING? IS IT FREIGHT FACILITY? OPERATIONS? WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? WHICH ONE OF THESE LOOKING AT WHEN WE COME FROM THE CARGO PORT OR SOMETHING COMING INTO PORT? BECAUSE AS SOMEWHAT IN THE LEGAL FIELD, I CAN MAKE A BUNCH OF THESE FIT INTO MY CATEGORY TO WHERE I AM TRYING TO GET. SO WHAT ARE THESE, YOU KNOW, THESE PERMISSIVE EXES, YOU KNOW, WHICH ONE OF THESE FALLS UNDER EXPORT/IMPORT? UNLESS I AM JUST READING IT -- OKAY. I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FOR A WHOLE WEEK.

SO EXPORTING FREIGHT. IMPORT -- ALL RIGHT. SO THOSE ONES I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT. FOR WHAT I'M HEARING , ANYBODY CAN COME INTO ONE OF THOSE AND MY QUESTION TO US IS , BASED ON HOW IT IS , WITH THAT COME BACK TO US TO MAKE THE DECISION? RIGHT? IT WOULD NOT COME BACK TO US IT WOULD HAVE NO SAY SO IN THE FAST TRACK GOING RIGHT IN. WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT IT, WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT IT , WE WOULD HEAR ABOUT IT SHOWING UP. PEOPLE SHOWING UP AND GO FROM THERE. SO -- I HAVE SAID AT OTHER MEETINGS . YOU GUYS ALREADY KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT SOME OF THIS FAST TRACKING STUFF I HEAR ABOUT AT THE LAST MINUTE. I WILL LEAVE THAT TO ANOTHER MEETING. I AM JUST, I AM -- 30 YEARS, 20 YEARS, 25 YEARS.

I'M HEARING WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.

20-35 YEARS LATER.

I KNOW MANY DO NOT WANT CARGO. I KNOW THIS IS JUST THE FIRST READING. BUT THE WAY I AM FEELING RIGHT NOW , IF THIS PASSES, A SECOND READING AS IT IS WRITTEN TODAY , THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM COMING IN BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SHOWED ME . THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MORE I COULD PROBABLY ADD IN THERE TO SAY TO PROTECT THE SPORT. THAT IS THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING. I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF THOSE WILL BE WILLING TO MOVE OVER TO TRADITIONAL OR WHATEVER. BUT I AM SKEPTICAL BECAUSE SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE, LIKE YOU SAID. 20-30 YEARS AND WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS. I AM ASKING YOU GUYS. I DON'T KNOW.

TO ME, CAN WE HAMMER OUT THOSE? CAN WE HAMMER THOSE OUT BEFORE A SECOND READING? I DON'T KNOW.

WE CANNOT TALK TO KEVIN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE RULES. HEY , CAN YOU HAMMER THAT OUT ? IF I SAY YES TONIGHT, CAN YOU HAMMER THAT OUT FOR A SECOND READING AND GIVE ME AN UPDATE? OR MADAME

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MAYOR, OR MADAME ATTORNEY, I■') SAYING BECAUSE IT HAS TO COME BACK FOR A SECOND READING. IT HAS TO COME BACK FOR A SECOND READING. I GUESS , IF SOMETHING CHANGES, THEN FROM THIS READING FROM THE THIS TO THE SECOND READING, --

>> I GOTCHA. I GOTCHA. LET ME SLIDE BACK AND THINK OF

SOMETHING. >> MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSION, THIS IS WHERE I AM AT. I FOR TESTIMONY TONIGHT AND I HAVE HEARD OPINION TONIGHT. AS YOU KNOW, THE QUALIFIED JUDICIAL HEARING, RIGHT? FOR I HAVE SOME HEARTBURN AS THERE ARE TWO THINGS IT WILL EITHER BE FAST-TRACK COMMITTED OR CONDITIONAL. ADDITIONAL TO LET ME KNOW MY BUT IT JUST MEANS THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT NEED TO BE MET AND/OR DISCUSSED READY BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON AT THAT PORTRAIT I GUESS LOOKING AT THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE ME THAT STAFF HAS WORKED ON, WORKED ON WITH BUSINESS LANDOWNERS, ET CETERA. THEY HAVE THEIR PROPERTIES AND GIVING THEM THE LATITUDE TO EITHER DEVELOPED AND/OR CELL OR GO INTO A PARTNERSHIP WITH THESE PARTICULAR CONDITIONS . SOME OF THESE ON HERE I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH AS OF FAST TRACK PERMITTED CASE. NOT TO SAY THAT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE. I AM UNCLEAR OF THIS STUFF THAT IS AMBIGUOUS TO ME THAT IS HERE WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL. WHAT EXACTLY IS INDUSTRIAL? THE HEAVY MARINE INDUSTRIAL AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THAT ON THE CONDITIONAL CLAUSE SO WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF UNDERSTANDING SO WE DO NOT GET NEIGHBORS COMPLAINING OF US THAT THE DUST FROM THE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING THAT IS PRODUCING YACHTS THERE IS SPILLING OVER TO MY CONDO UNIT , OR SPILLING OVER TO MY RECREATION PARK THAT I AM TRYING TO SET OUT AND ENJOY THE PUBLIC FACILITIES THAT ARE THERE BUT IT IS SOMETHING THE AIR.

THOSE ARE LESSONS WE HAVE , THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH ANOTHER PART OF OUR CITY RIGHT NOW AS A RESULT OF NOT CAREFULLY HAVING CONVERSATIONS LIKE THIS. I AM CONCERNED THAT WE ARE COMMISSION TONIGHT OF FOUR. WE DO NOT HAVE THE FIFTH COMMISSIONER HERE. I DO NOT KNOW WHICH WAY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE HAD PUBLIC COMMENT, THE FOUR OF US, TO SIT HERE AND LOOK AT THIS. WHAT IS A GUY BEING ASKED US TO TAKE THIS DOCUMENT IN ITS ENTIRETY RIGHT NOW, AS PRESENTED TO ME RIGHT NOW AND APPROVE IT BASED WHERE THE -- ARE FROM PNC. AND ACCEPT THAT. I CANNOT DO THAT. I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS ON HERE THAT I NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY MEAN. SO IF THAT IS WHAT I AM BEING ASKED BY STAFF IS TO SAY, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THEM AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS TO APPROVE THIS EXACTLY LIKE IT IS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW, WELL, I AM TELLING YOU HOW I AM GOING TO VOTE BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HEARD AND SEEN. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE NOT HAD ANSWERED HERE. EVEN BY STAFF AND/OR BY TESTIMONIAL. I HAVE GOT CONCERNS. THAT IS HOW I READ THIS. I KNOW SOME STUFF IS ALREADY THERE BECAUSE OF HOW WE HAVE DIVIDED THIS PORT NORTH AND SOUTH BUT I GET THAT PART OF MY REAL FOCUS IS LOOKING AT THE SOUTH DEVELOPER PART OF THE PORT FOR THAT IS WHERE A LARGE PART OF THIS COMES IN FOR ME AS I LOOK AT THIS HERE. SOME OF THESE THINGS, I HAVE TO QUESTION IT EVEN IF THEY WERE IN THE NORTHPORT , THEY WERE CONDITIONAL. IN THE SOUTHPORT THEY ARE NOT. WITH THE SAME TYPE OF CONCERNS PREVAIL? AND I AM FURTHER CONCERNED WHEN WE HAVE COUNTY PARTNERS THAT HAVE LARGE PARCELS YOU'RE LOOKING TO DEVELOP. AND THEY ARE CONCERNED THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING AND TESTIMONY. WE HAVE LINED THAT UP TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I AM ON THE PORT AUTHORITY HERE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ALIGNING WITH THAT. I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MIX OF THESE PARTICULAR ENTITIES. AND INDUSTRIES IN TRYING TO DO THIS.

I GET UP AND WERE TRYING TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE TO GET THERE. I'M OKAY WITH GIVING OPPORTUNITY, BUT SOME OF THESE PROBABLY NEED TO BE IN A DIFFERENT COLUMN THAN WHERE I SEE THEM CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.

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THAT IS WHERE I AM AT ON THIS. IF I AM LEADING THIS WRONG, I'M CERTAINLY UP FOR A CONVERSATION TO BE CORRECTED. A LOT OF XS AND THAT PERMITTED COLUMN. -- THE HELIPORT AND SEA PORTS. THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT JUMP OUT ON ME THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST SOME TYPE OF CONDITION OR UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. RETAIL BOOK MATERIAL. WHAT IS THAT? I KNOW WHAT SEA PORTS SIX MATERIAL IS. IF SEA PORTS SIX MATERIAL IS BEING STORED THERE TO BE EXPORTED SOME OTHER PLACE, AND IF THE WIND STARTS TO GUST, WHERE DOES BUCK MATERIAL GO?

>> YOU ARE RIGHT. WE NEED TO KNOW.

>> MADAME MAYOR, NOT FOR ME. LIKE I SAID, HISTORY IS OUR GREATEST PREDICTOR HERE BUT WE ARE DEALING WITH THIS IN ANOTHER PART OF OUR CITY HERE. THAT IS MAY BE MORE HEIGHTENED ABOUT THIS AND ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.

>> I HAVE A QUICK PROCEDURAL QUESTION. IT JUST HIT ME THAT DURING DIRECTOR FREEMAN'S PRESENTATION, HE SAID HE HAD TURNED IN AMENDMENTS TO -- APPROVAL WITH AMENDMENTS. HE SAID HE WOULD HOLD THOSE UNTIL HE HEARD EVERYTHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPROVAL -- BUT HE MADE THE COMMENT THAT HE HAS SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS. I CANNOT GO BACK.

>> MY INTERPRETATION WAS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ALTERNATIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SCREEN. SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT DURING HIS PRESENTATION THAT HE HAS SOME DIFFERENT IDEAS HE WOULD HOLD. NO? YEAH? DON'T BREAK THE RULES. I AM NOT TRYING TO BREAK THE RULES AND GO SEE MADAME ATTORNEY. I'M JUST SAYING, SOMETIMES THESE RULES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED , TO ME, THEY LEAD TO MANY HEADACHES THAT I CANNOT GO BACK AND ASK SIMPLE QUESTIONS I WANT TO ASK BECAUSE HE HAD RULES THAT WERE SET UP WHILE WE ARE DISCUSSING. AND THAT I HAVE TO WAIT AND TRY TO MEET 101 AND ALL OF THAT.

THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. I READ THE DEFINITIONS. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE GIVEN ME. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS HERE BECAUSE IF YOU PICK ONE OF THESE TOPICS AND ASK FOUR OF US UP HERE , WHAT DOES IT MEAN? YOU MIGHT GET FOUR DIFFERENT ANSWERS. THAT IS A PROBLEM.

I READ THEM. I READ THEM. THEY ARE NOT AS CLEAR TO ME. BUT THAT IS WHERE I AM AT. WE CAN GO FROM THERE, MADAME MAYOR.

>> MADAME ATTORNEY? THESE ARE MY QUESTIONS. HOW MY SUPPOSED TO BE THE JUDGE IF I CANNOT ASK QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? I WILL TELL YOU WHAT MY QUESTION IS. MAYBE IT WAS COVERED IN THE PRESENTATION WELL ENOUGH. I THINK WE COULD USE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE ACTUAL TIMEFRAME OF THE PERMITTED USE WITH A MINOR SITE PLAN AND GOING THROUGH THE NORMAL CONDITIONS PROCESS. HOW DIFFERENT THE TIMES REALLY ARE AND WHAT TYPE OF COST WOULD BE INVOLVED FOR THAT PARTICULAR APPLICANT SO WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT MEANS.

CONDITIONAL USE IS THE WORST THING EVER. IT WILL TAKE THEM TWO YEARS -- I JUST WANT TO SEE A REAL, WHAT KEVIN WOULD SAY IS THE TIMEFRAME BETWEEN THE PERMITTED USE IN THE SITE PLAN.

>> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS WITH FAILURE ALSO IF YOU CHOOSE TO CHANGE YOUR RULES, YOU FOLLOW THE RULES YOU CREATE. THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU CHANGE UP YOUR RULES IS THE NEXT PERSON IS GOING TO ASK YOU TO CHANGE YOUR RULES. KEEP THAT IN MIND. REGARDING THE QUESTION THAT COMMISSIONER GAINES HAD TO APPROVAL WITH AMENDMENTS YOU HIT

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THE NAIL ON THE HEAD EARLIER. ONCE YOU START CHANGING BETWEEN FIRST READ IN SECOND GRADE, YOU WILL START OVER AT A FIRST READ.

SO I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST APPROVING WITH AMENDMENTS THAT WE THEN HAVE TO COME BACK WITH POTENTIALLY EVEN MORE AMENDMENTS. REALLY, I THINK WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS APPROVING AS IT EXISTS, DENYING AS IT EXISTS , IF YOU WANT TO FINISH THIS DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE , YOU CAN ASK TO RECESS THIS HEARING FOR A DATE CERTAIN. OR YOU COULD ASK THE TABLE THIS AND GIVES STAFF DIRECTION TO GO BACK AND WORK FURTHER BASED ON A COMMENTARY THAT WAS RECEIVED HERE TONIGHT.

THOSE ARE KIND OF YOUR OPTIONS OF WHERE YOU'RE AT. AS FOR COMMISSIONER TAYLOR'S REQUEST TO ASK QUESTIONS, I WILL DEFER TO THIS BOARD AS IT IS YOUR RULES.

>> SO WHAT IS THE REASON BEHIND THAT? THE QUESTIONS AT THIS

PARTICULAR JUNCTURE? >> YES, MADAME MAYOR. THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT OF A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. THAT IS WHY IT IS A QUASI-JUDICIAL INSTEAD OF A NORMAL LEGISLATIVE HEARING WHERE YOU WOULD BE UNDER 4A" AMENDMENT. WHETHER THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU USUALLY HAVE AN APPLICANT. WHEN YOU DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT, USUALLY HAVE THE GIVE AND TAKE OF STAFF PRESENTING. YOU ARE CROSS-EXAMINING STAFF AT THE APPLICANT PRESENTING. YOU CROSS-EXAMINING THE APPLICANT, AND THEN YOU HAVE TIME FRAMES FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS . THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFERENT BECAUSE IT IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING. SO GIVEN THAT AND GIVEN THAT ISSUE, THE SCRIPT WE HAVE ON THE RULES WE HAVE DO NOT ALIGN SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS TYPE OF HEARING, AS I'M SURE YOU HAVE GOT TO THE SCRIPT BUT I NOTICE YOU DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT TO ASK QUESTIONS OUT BUT I THINK THIS IS A VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCE THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN YOUR NORMAL APPLICANT BEHAVIOR. THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING THAT WE WOULD HAVE. SO IN A NORMAL HEARING, THE POINT OF THAT IS TO PROVIDE EQUAL TIME TO BOTH PARTIES WITH YOUR APPLICANT AND YOUR STAFF PRESENTING. LIKE I SAID, THIS IS DIFFERENT WHERE YOU DO NOT HAVE AN APPLICANT WHERE YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PROVIDING THE INS AND OUTS OF TIME FOR THEM TO RESPOND AND GIVE ANSWERS TO YOU. THIS ONE IS DIFFERENT IN THAT RESPECT . IF YOU WANTED TO OPEN IT BACK UP TO QUESTIONS TO YOUR STAFF , I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR PURVIEW. UNDERSTANDING THIS IS UNIQUE SITUATION WE ARE IN. ONE WE ARE NOT OFTEN LIKELY TO BE IN AGAIN.

>> QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ONLY BECAUSE OF THIS VERY UNIQUE SITUATION , COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION YOU ASK AN I THINK I HAVE IT, COMMISSIONER. MADAME MAYOR. SO ESSENTIALLY, THE PREPARATION OF THE APPLICATION WOULD FOLLOW THE SAME REQUIREMENTS. SO WHATEVER YOU WOULD NEED FOR THE SITE PLANS FOR ANY NARRATIVE OR WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE REGARDING THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT WOULD REMAIN THE SAME WHETHER IT WAS FOR A CONDITIONAL , OR IN THIS CASE, THE MINUS SITE PLAN PROCESS.

THE TIMELINE IS TO BE THE BACK END OF THAT IN TERMS OF THE PROCESSES WITH THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN THE CITY COMMISSION. PROBABLY IT IS THE TIME ADDITION RATHER THAN AN APPLICATION PREPARATION. SO IN TERMS OF TIME, IT IS WHETHER YOU WOULD SAY HOLDING COSTS ON A PROPERTY OR THE COSTS THAT WOULD BE DEFERRED FOR ONE OR TWO MONTHS. PROBABLY TWO MONTHS MINIMUM. WITH THE GOING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND THEN CITY

COMMISSION. >> OKAY. THAT IS NOT REALLY A HUGE DEAL TO ME. BECAUSE WE ARE SO CONCERNED WITH THE SPECIFIC USES , I THINK, AND I THINK YOU HAVE GOT ENOUGH FEEDBACK FROM ALL OF US TONIGHT TO MAKE SOME OF THOSE CHANGES. I DO AGREE BUT I THINK IF WE WANT THE APPROVAL WITH AMENDMENTS, I THINK THAT IS GOING TO SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT.

NOT SUBSTANTIALLY, BUT THERE IS JUST SOME CLARIFICATION THINGS THAT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS ARE LOOKING FOR. AND IF THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SEEN IT AS -- SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE HAVE LAID OUT THE SPECIFIC ONES I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND TO MAKE CONDITIONAL. AND FURTHER CLARIFICATION ON ANY OTHER ONES

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WITH THE LODGING. WOULD BE HAPP MOVING THIS TO A SECOND READ TO THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT IS WHERE WE ARE

HEADED. >> YEAH, I DO NOT FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD START MOVING AROUND TONIGHT. I THINK WE NEED SOME

MORE CLARIFICATION. >> MADAME MAYOR, THAT IS THE PROBLEM. IF , THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. IF WE MOVE TO WHAT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WAS WHERE WE GO BACK AND TELL DIRECTOR FREEMAN TO MOVE SOME XS, AT THE NEXT TIME, WOULD IT

BE A BRAND-NEW FIRST READING? >> IT HAS BEEN 30 YEARS AND WE CAN TAKE A COUPLE MORE MONTHS.

>> INSTEAD OF DOING THAT, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TABLE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. THIS IS MARCH 3RD. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A TIME TO PUT THIS ON THE MARCH 17TH? THE MARCH 17TH

MEETING -- NO? >> MADAME MAYOR? I WOULD LIKE STAFF TO HAVE TIME TOGETHER THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE INTERESTED PARTIES TOGETHER. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF ALTERNATIVE SUGGESTIONS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY COMMISSION TONIGHT IN TERMS OF PERMITS . I WOULD PREFER STAFF TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SCHEDULE THIS WITH THE FIRST READING SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. NOT SETTING A DATE CERTAIN AT THE MOMENT.

I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MEETINGS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE HELD BETWEEN ALL INTERESTED PARTIES HERE. I HAVE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THE OPINIONS OF CITY COMMISSION. I HAVE ALSO HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THE OPINIONS AND COMMENTS FROM THE CITIZENS OF ALL INVOLVED HERE. I THINK IT BE A DISSERVICE TO TRY AND PUSH THIS THROUGH TOO QUICKLY NOW. I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO VERY GOOD FEEDBACK. WE ARE VERY CLOSE. I GOT REALLY A SUBSTANTIAL SHORTAGE AT THE MOMENT. I DO NOT REALLY WANT TO LOAD THIS PROGRAMMING FOR TWO WEEK EFFORT.

>> AND DIRECTOR FREEMAN, MADAME MAYOR, FIRST, I WAS NOT TRYING TO CUT YOU OFF. I APOLOGIZE. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE DO UP HERE.

DIRECTOR FREEMAN, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. I CAN DEAL WITH YOU SAYING THE TIME PERIOD IS NOT ENOUGH TIME. HOWEVER, I AM NOT READY TO SIT UP HERE AND NOT HAVE SOME TYPE OF A TIMEFRAME , YOU KNOW, THAT WE MOVE THIS FORWARD. BECAUSE SAYING, GIVE ME TIME, YOU KNOW, I FOR THAT BEFORE. IT COULD BE 30 YEARS.

I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU. THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE NOW. YOU JUST SAID WE ARE CLOSE. I HAVE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE WHO WANT SOME TYPE OF ACTION. I DO NOT WANT TO STOP THE MOMENTUM WE HAVE AGREED. I DO NOT WANT TO SAY -- I DO NOT WANT TO COME DOWN TO YOUR OFFICE. I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR THE CITY. THIS IS NOT THE ONLY THING ON YOUR DESK RIGHT NOW.

BUT I CANNOT LEAVE OPEN. WHAT I DO NOT WANT TO LEAVE OPEN, MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, AN OPEN ENDED WHEN WE BRING IT BACK. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF -- YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH OPEN ENDED. IF YOU ARE TELLING ME, I WILL NOT ASSUME THIS. THE INFORMATION YOU RECEIVED FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YOU JUST IMAGINE. IS THAT , HAVING BEEN TOLD?

>> YES, COMMISSIONER. THERE ARE NEW ELEMENTS THERE. LET ME JUST -- LET ME GIVE SOME PARAMETERS TO COMING BACK TO CITY COMMISSION. I REALLY BECAUSE WE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RE-ADVERTISE THIS, AND THIS WOULD HELP OFFSET THE PARAMETERS TO THE DATE CERTAIN. WE WOULD HAVE TO ADVERTISE AGAIN FOR 30 DAYS. THAT IS SUBJECT TO THAT REZONING.

REZONING BY THE CITY. SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR AT LEAST 30

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DAYS THEN AFTER THE DATE OF ADVERTISING. THAT PROBABLY WOULD PUSH US INTO MAY. IF WE GOT THE ADVERTISEMENT OUT NEXT WEEK , THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT GIVE US POTENTIALLY , THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY I WOULD SAY. YOU KNO, AS A DEFINITE TIMEFRAME.

>> PERSONALLY, I DON'T, AND I KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNERS WANTED TONIGHT. ME PERSONALLY, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU KNOW IT WILL BE MAY. AND TO GIVE US THE DUE DILIGENCE THAT I WANT TO DO TO MAKE SURE THIS IS RIGHT THAT I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH MAY. NOW I CAN GO BACK AND ANSWER ALL THESE QUESTIONS WOULD YOU CAN TELL ME EVERYTHING YOU ARE HEARING FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS I DID NOT HEAR TONIGHT. AND ALL OF US CAN GET WITH YOU, YOU KNOW, OR COMMIT WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE WHATEVER YOU HURT TONIGHT YOU HAVE OF WHAT WE REALLY WANT. SO THERE IS NO MISUNDERSTANDING WHEN YOU MEET WITH THE OWNERS TO WHAT WE ARE THINKING , AND THEN WE MEET WITH YOU, WHAT THEY ARE THINKING. SO I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MAY. MAYBE SOME OF MY COMMISSIONERS DO. AND TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO WANT ACTION, I WANT ACTION, BUT I WANT THE RIGHT ACTION. I SAID THAT EARLIER I FELT LIKE, IN THIS FIRST TIME OF MINE -- FIRST TERM OF MINE, I'M FIXING PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES STUFF GOT PUSHED THROUGH AND I LEAVE IT THAT WAY. I WOULD RATHER BLOW THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. WE DID NOT SAY DECEMBER OR SEPTEMBER OR WHATEVER. APRIL. AND THEN COME BACK THE FIRST THING IN MAY. I AM GOOD WITH THAT, BUT IT IS UP TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. AND TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TO EVERYBODY THAT IS LISTENING , YOU KNOW, IF ANYTHING ELSE, GET IT TO KEVIN. THAT WAY, HE CAN GET IT TO US SO WE CAN KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S WHAT AND MAKE THE PROPER DECISION FOR

EVERYBODY IN HERE. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD TONIGHT THAT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT IS SOMEBODY SAID THINGS HAVE GONE BACKWARDS FROM CONDITIONAL TO PERMITTED. I'D BE CURIOUS

ABOUT THAT. >> WE WILL INVESTIGATE THAT.

>> I HEARD THAT FROM THE SPEAKER. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT VERIFIED AND KNOW WHAT THAT IS. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TABLING UNTIL DATE CERTAIN. IS THAT RIGHT? IS THAT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU HEARD US

TALKING ABOUT? >> MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. WE COULD RESIST TO A DATE CERTAIN AND YOU COULD CONTINUE THAT HEARING THAT DAY BUT IF YOU WANTED TO TABLE AND END THIS HEARING , TO RESTART THE FIRST READING, THAT WOULD BE

THE TABLE. >> SO STARTING OVER? RECESSING

WOULD BE CONTINUING . >> YES, THAT IS HOW I UNDERSTAND THOSE TWO BUT I'VE HEARD A LITTLE DISCUSSION OF BOTH OF THOSE. IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE THE HEARING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THAT WOULD BE A RECESS WITH THE DATE CERTAIN. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DIRECTOR IS ASKING FOR A TABLE TO A LATER DATE AND TO RESTART THE FIRST HEARING BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO BE MAKING SOME SIGNIFICANT CHANGES. THAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER OPTION BASED ON WHAT HE HAS REQUESTED.

>> MADAME MAYOR? I WANT TO FORMALLY RECOGNIZE AND SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW SOME HAD TO TRAVEL TO MAKE IT HERE TONIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO THE MEETING. I KNOW THIS PROBABLY IS NOT THE DIRECTION YOU WERE HOPING WE WERE MOVING TOWARD. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE ALL BEEN ABLE TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS AND HEARING ALL OF YOUR FEEDBACK AT ONCE. THAT IS CHANGING SOME OF THE THINGS I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN. WE ALL WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING THE CORRECT INPUT THAT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR

BEING HERE. >> ANYWAY, THIS IS A VERY, VERY BIG PROJECT THAT IS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR YEARS. YEAH.

>> THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING. WE ARE NOT PUSHING IT OUT YEARS. WE

ARE GOING TO VOTE. >> WE ARE READY TO DEAL WITH THIS FOR THE COUNTY IS READY FOR US TO DEAL WITH THIS AND WE WANT

TO DEAL WITH THIS >> THAT GIVES ME TIME TO GO TALK TO MY TONY COUNTERPARTS BETWEEN MAY. BASED ON WHAT I HAVE HEARD TONIGHT, AND WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TONIGHT ,

[02:35:01]

SO THAT IS WHERE MY HEAD IS. >> OKAY. SO IS THERE SOMEONE WHO

IS READY TO MAKE A MOTION? >> WE PREFER MAY 5TH OR MAY 19TH? THOSE ARE THE TWO THE COMMISSION --

>> I WOULD SAY MAY 19TH, YET. >> TABLING IT WITH NO DATE CERTAIN SO IF WE TABLE THE MOTION THE TABLE IS MOTION AND THE STAFF WILL BRING IT BACK AT FIRST READING.

>> IS THAT TABLING TO A DATE CERTAIN?

>> WHAT ARE WE TALKING? >>

>>, BUT IF YOU WANT TO TAKE NO ACTION AND RESTART THE FIRST HEARING, THE MOTION CAN BE TO TABLE AND REHEAR THE FIRST HEARING AFTER STAFF BRINGS THE BACK WITH NO DATE CERTAIN. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, THEN YOU WOULD ASK FOR, WOULD MOTION FOR RECESS -- A RECESS WITH A

DATE CERTAIN. >>

>> I STRONGLY RECOMMEND TO HAVE IT IN THERE.

>> WE DO NOT WANT THIS TO BE CARRIED ANY FURTHER AND WE WANT IT TOTALLY FLESHED OUT. OKAY, IF SOMEONE COULD MAKE A MOTION?

>> MADAME MAYOR I MOVE WE TABLE QUASI-JUDICIAL 025-003.

>> SECOND. >> THERE IS A MOTION IN A

SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>

>> THANK YOU , DIRECTOR FREEMAN, FOR YOUR WONDERFUL WORK. GOOD

[b. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 25-006 Establishing the Symphony Lakes Community Development District. SECOND READING]

LUCK IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

OKAY, NEXT HAVE ORDINANCE 25-006. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY

COMMISSION -- >> WOULD YOU PLEASE TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS OUTSIDE, PLEASE? PLEASE TAKE YOUR CONVERSATIONS

OUTSIDE. >> IS OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE,FLORIDA, ESTABLISHING THE SYMPHONY LAKES COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT PROVIDING FOR THE NAME, POWERS, DUTIES PROVIDING FOR DESCRIPTION AND BOUNDARIES DESIGNATING FIVE PERSONS TO SERVE AS THE INITIAL MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, PROVIDING NOTICE OF REQUIREMENTS, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, -- AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS THE

SECOND READING. >> SECOND READING. ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SINGLE WOMAN, WILL COME BACK TO THE COMMOTION -- THE COMMISSION.

WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE? >> MADAME MAYOR -- OH, OKAY. I

WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STAYING HERE. THANK YOU.

[c. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 25-012 - Review and approval for a Voluntary Annexation by applicant Transamerica Construction Company and Culpepper & Terpening, Inc, to extend the territorial limits of the City of Fort Pierce, Florida, to include one (1) parcel at or near the intersection of South Market Ave and Oleander Avenue; Parcel ID: 2434-601-0062-000-6. - SECOND READING]

>> NEXT HAVE ORDINANCE 25-012, ANACHRONISM SETTING THE TERRITORIAL LIMITS OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE ARE -- AT OR NEAR THE MARKET OF SOUTH MARKET AVENUE AND OLEANDER AVENUE ON EXHIBIT A. THE PROPERTY -- AS OF JANUARY FIRST , 2025. IN THE ST.

LUCIE TASK COLLECTOR TO COLLECT TAXES WITH ZONING CLASSIFICATION, WHEN USED AS A NATION, DIRECTING FILING OF THE NOTICES WITH THE COURT CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER -- TO BE FILED WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF STATE AND SUBMITTED TO THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC AND DEMOGRAPHIC RESEARCH PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, FILLING OUT -- AND PROVIDING FOR A RESPECTIVE DATE. THIS IS A SECOND READING.

>> SECOND READING. ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> SO MOVE. >> SECOND.

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >>

[d. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 25-013: Review and approval of an amendment to the City's Zoning Atlas to rezone six (6) parcels generally located on Energy Lane and containing approximately 108.78-acres from Light Industrial (I-1) to Planned Development (PD). SECOND READING.]

THANK YOU FIRST THING. >> NEXT, WE WORN A 25-013, IN ACCORDANCE BY THE CITY COMMISSION OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE AMENDING THE CITY'S ZONING ATLAS TO REZONE SIX PARCELS GENERALLY LOCATED AT ENERGY LANE AND CONTAINING APPROXIMATELY 108 ACRES FROM LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROVIDING FOR A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, PROVIDING FOR APPEAL OF ORDINANCES -- AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE

AT THIS IS THE SECOND READING. >> SECOND READING. ANYBODY WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD. I WILL COME

[02:40:02]

BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR A MOTION.

>> MADAME MAYOR, AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ORDINANCE

25-013. >> A MOTION IN A SECOND. PLEASE

[a. Resolution 25-R18 Designating an Interim City Manager ]

CALL THE ROLL. >>

>> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE RESOLUTION 25-R18, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, DESIGNATING -- AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> >> PRESSURES, DO YOU HAVE

QUESTIONS? >> I BELIEVE THIS HAS A BLANK

THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED. >> IT DOES.