Mar 10, 2025 City Commission Regular Meeting

[1. Call to Order]

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STARTED ON TIME AND, SO, PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[4. Approval of Minutes]

[a. Recognition of Fort Pierce Police Department's James Pulliam as the Officer of the Year for the St. Lucie County Hundred Club's First Responder of the Year Awards]

>> APPROVED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING. THE FIRST ITEM FROM THE AGENDA IS RECOGNITION OF FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT JAMES AS OFFICER OF THE YEAR FOR THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY HUNDREDS CLUBS FIRST RESPONDER OF THE YEAR AWARDS.

>> MR. JOHNSON, WANT TO START US OFF ON THIS?

>> YES, MA'AM. HER CHIEF AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE HERE TO HELP ACKNOWLEDGE OUR WONDERFUL OFFICERS FROM OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR WORK IN GENERAL. I CALL THE CHIEF TO THE FRONT.

>> IN MORNING, CHIEF, AND WELCOME.

>> IS SUCH AN HONOR TO BE HERE. AS I WAS TELLING OFFICER JAMES PULLIAM I THINK THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMMISSION THAT YOU'VE ACTUALLY HONORED OUR OFFICER OF THE YEAR AND IT SO WELL DESERVING FOR THE WORK THAT HE AND WHY IT IS DONE.

KEPT OUR CITY SAFE AND THEY'RE INVOLVED IN SO MANY WONDERFUL EVENTS AND ALSO THEY PUT THEMSELVES ON THE LINE EACH AND EVERY DAY FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS AND I'M GRATEFUL THAT

YOU ARE ORDERING THEM TODAY. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY

SOMETHING, OFFICER? >> NO. THAT WAS ACCEPTABLE.

>> I APPRECIATE THE HONOR AND THANK YOU TO ALL OF MY COWORKERS

. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY, VERY

MUCH. >> OF COURSE, HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND WHAT THE CHIEF SAID AND SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT CAME OUT PAST SATURDAY JUST INTERACTION FOR THE KIDS THAT SAW YOU AND WERE HAPPY TO SEE YOU AT THE PARK. THE COMMUNITY POLICING IS WORKING. THE KIDS WERE SMILING. I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF PORT -- FORT PIERCE. LET'S CONTINUE TO CHANGE THE NEGATIVE NARRATIVE THAT WE HAVE ABOUT OUR CITY FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO. THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR? >> I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAN JUST A THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE RECOGNIZE OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND THANK YOU, IN PUBLIC. I MADE IT TO THE BANQUET THE MOMENT YOU ARE GETTING THE AWARD BECAUSE WE WERE IN A MEETING HERE AND I RACED OUT OF THERE IN TIME AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND YOU'RE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE FULL CONFIDENCE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T HAVE HIS CODE OF THE CITY WITHOUT YOU GUYS.

APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO TO KEEP OUR CITY

STATE. >> I'M JUST GOING TO REITERATE MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR MY SERVICE. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE AWARD WE COULD GIVE UP DOZENS OF THESE.

>> DOES THE CANINE SHOW THE AWARD? THAT'S A WONDERFUL THING. WOULD YOU LIKE A PICTURE WITH THE COMMISSION, CHIEF?

WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THAT? >> WE NORMALLY DO.

>> WE STAND RIGHT HERE.

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>> PERFECT. >> I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME AND I HOPE WE REPEATED EVERY YEAR BECAUSE WE WANT TO HONOR OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND SHOW THEM HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE.

[6. Additions or deletions to agenda and approval of the agenda.]

>> IF WE HAVE ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA.

>> ANY CHANGES IF NOT I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION IN A

SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. >>

[7. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

[a. St. Lucie County Schools Update by Dr. Prince. ]

>> THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO

SPEAK. NO SIGN-UPS, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. THREE MINUTES. STATE YOUR NAME.

I SEE NO MOVEMENT. WE'LL MOVE ON.

>> FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITY COMMISSION RESOLUTIONS.

SORRY. WE HAVE THE ST. LUCIE SCHOOLS UPDATE BY DR. PRINCE.

>> WE DO LIKE TO DO THE LEAD AND FOR THIS. TODAY BEFORE US WE HAVE DR. JOHN PRINCE ON THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD. THE EDUCATION IS SO IMPORTANT. QUALITY OF EDUCATION STUDENTS AND TEACHERS INCREASE OPPORTUNITY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE A DESTINATION POINT . EVERY BUSINESS HAS FAMILIES. EVERY FAMILY WANTS THEIR KIDS TO TO BE EDUCATED.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. >> MEHTA MAYOR, CITY COMMISSION . I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE. PLEASE TO BE HERE. HOPEFULLY PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. BEFORE I GET STARTED, I'VE GOT MY BOARD BEHIND ME. YAY. ALSO DEBBIE HOLLY IS HERE AS WELL. YOU CANNOT HAVE A SUCCESSFUL OUTCOME WITHOUT A TEAM APPROACH. I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR THE WORK THAT WE DO -- DONE. THIS IS MY THIRD YEAR SUPERINTENDENT. I ALWAYS SAY PUBLIC EDUCATION IS THE GENIUS OF OUR DEMOCRACY. I'M A CHAMPION OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. OBESITY THAT THROUGHOUT THIS BRIEF PRESENTATION. I ALWAYS SAY WHEN I WALK IN A CAMPUS I ASKED THE KIDS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WHEN YOU GROW UP IN HERE ARE

SOME OF THE RESPONSES? >> I WANT TO BE A PEDIATRICIAN.

>> I WANT TO BE A CHEF WHEN I GROW UP.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO BE A LAWYER.

>> I LIKE TO BE A ZOOLOGIST. >> I LIKE TO BE AN ENGINEER.

>> WHEN I GROW UP I WANT TO BE A VETERINARIAN.

>> I WANT TO BE AN ACCOUNTANT .

>> I KNOW I WANT TO WORK WITH ANIMALS AND MORE SPECIFICALLY I WANT TO PROTECT ENDANGERED ANIMALS AND HELP PROTECT SPECIES

FROM BECOMING ENDANGERED. >> I SEE MYSELF AS A PEDIATRIC

DENTIST. >> A CORPORATE LAWYER.

>> I WANT TO BE A MARINE BIOLOGIST AND ESPECIALLY A SHORT

BIOLOGIST. >> A MECHANICAL ENGINEER.

>> FOR MY FUTURE CAREER I ASPIRE TO BE A ROBOTICS ENGINEER.

>> I WANT TO BE A CRIMINAL JUSTICE LAWYER.

>> IN THE FUTURE I WANT TO BE A PEDIATRIC NURSE.

>> HOW DO WE INSPIRE KIDS AND HOW DO WE MAKE THOSE DREAMS COME TRUE? HISTORICALLY, WE HAVE NEVER HAD A BETTER YEAR IN THE HISTORY OF SAINT LUCIE COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAN WE DID LAST YEAR. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND. IN THIRD GRADE READING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE NOW SEES AS PART OF THE DISTRICT ACCOUNTABILITY SYSTEMS. WE INCREASE OUR PROFICIENCY BY 7%. WE'VE HAD A VERY FOCUSED CORE.

READING, MATH, SCIENCE AND SOCIAL STUDIES. WE INCREASED PROFICIENCY IN EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY. I'M PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE IN MIDDLE SCHOOL ACCELERATION. IT STUDENTS THAT ARE PASSING A HIGH SCHOOL EXAM IN ORDER TO GET A HIGH SCHOOL CREDIT MIDDLE SCHOOL. WE INCREASE THAT BY 9%. 80% OF OUR STUDENTS PASSED THE EXAM. THAT'S STUDENTS PASSING IN AP, NAYS, AND INDUSTRY CERTIFICATION. WE INCREASE BY 76% OF OUR STUDENTS. GRADUATION RATE IMPROVED BY 92 TO 94%. I

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JOHN'S, THOSE ARE TWO OF THE MOST AFFLUENT DISTRICTS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT OUR GRADUATION RATE, THERE IS NO GAP BETWEEN WHITE, BLACK, AND HISPANIC STUDENTS. IF WE LOOK OVER TIME I LIKE TO GIVE MY PREDECESSORS SOME CREDIT WHO BROUGHT ME IN THE DISTRICT IN 20 -- 2015, '16.

WE HAD NINE VERA SCHOOLS HER FIRST YEAR HERE. ALMOST ALL OF THOSE SCHOOLS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE WERE IN THE CITY LIMITS OF FORT PIERCE. NOW IN 2024 YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE ZERO BNF SCHOOLS. ALL THOSE FORT PIERCE SCHOOLS ARE NOW A'S, B'S OR SEES. WHEN I SAY IS THE MOST SUCCESSFUL YEAR THEY'VE EVER HAD WE DO NOT HAVE ANY DRF SCHOOLS. THE ONLY SCHOOL IN OUR COUNTY IS A CHARTER SCHOOL. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THIS IS MY THIRD YEAR SUPERINTENDENT AND OUR TRAJECTORY CONTINUES TO GO UP. I EXPECT THIS YEAR WILL BE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN EVEN LAST YEAR. I WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT TODAY ABOUT AS LPS GETS TO WORK. WHAT IS THAT? ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN ON THE DAIS SAID HOW IMPORTANT IT IS, THE EDUCATION SYSTEM AND THAT IS SO TRUE BUT OUR COMMITMENT , WE HAVE TWO COVENANTS. THE COVENANT WITH OUR FAMILIES AND PARENTS AND THEN OUR COVENANT WITH COMMUNITY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WHEN STUDENTS GRADUATE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO COLLEGE THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING, A TECHNICAL SKILL THEY CAN GET A HIGH-PAYING, HIGH WAGE JOB AND THE INDUSTRY.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THE ECONOMIC VELMA COUNCIL. WE WORK DIRECTLY WITH THEM TO GET A KNOWLEDGEBASE ON THE INDUSTRIES THAT THEY ARE SEEKING IN THOSE INDUSTRIES WHENEVER THEY ARE COMING HERE THEY KNOW THAT THAT PROGRAM IS IN ONE OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS THAT WE CAN GRADUATE STUDENTS TO MEET THEIR NEEDS.

IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION BUT WE ARE LAUNCHING THAT IN 2025 , '26. NOT ONLY THAT, IT STARTED IN HIGH SCHOOL WHERE WE FOCUSED ON INDUSTRY BUT NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO A COMPREHENSIVE K-12 WHICH WE WILL INCLUDE AT THE ELEMENTARY. IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT AWARENESS. MIDDLE SCHOOL IS EXPLORATION AND THEN HIGH SCHOOL IS EXPERIMENTATION. WHAT IGNITES . WHAT YOU KIDS WANT TO DO WHEN THEY GROW UP? WHAT IGNITES INTEREST IN A CHILD.

LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE.

>> IN THE FUTURE I WANT TO BE A PEDIATRIC NURSE. MY MOM ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A NURSE. SO, MY FRIENDS MOM WORKS AT A NURSING FACILITY. SO, SHE HELPED ME A LOT.

>> I SEE MYSELF BECOMING A MECHANICAL ENGINEER. THAT SOMETHING I WAS ALWAYS INTERESTED IN. MY MOM AND DAD PUT ME IN COURSES FOR SOLDERING, CODING, MECHANICS AND I'VE BEEN INTERESTED IN THAT AND I'VE BEEN EXCELLING AT THAT FOR A

WHILE NOW. >> I WANT TO BE A MARINE BIOLOGIST AND ESPECIALLY LIKE A SHORT BIOLOGIST. WELL, EVER SINCE I WAS LITTLE, I'VE BEEN OUT ON THE BOAT, ON THE WATER, SNORKELING, DIVING, AND ME AND MY DAD GO SPEARFISHING A LOT.

>> I WANT TO BE AN ACCOUNTANT WHEN I GROW UP. MY PARENTS HAVE A BUSINESS THAT THEY OWN AND MY DAD STARTED TAKING COURSES TO BE AN ACCOUNTANT BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING SHARES AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND I WAS INSPIRED BY, LIKE, HIM DOING IT.

>> I WANT TO BE A CHEF WHEN I GROW UP. MY MOM INSPIRED ME TO START DOING IT BECAUSE SHE'S REALLY GOOD AT MAKING FOOD

WITHOUT EVEN HAVING A BOOK OUT. >> A COOKBOOK. WHO DOESN'T WANT A MOM LIKE THAT. WHAT INSPIRES A CHILD? FOR THESE KIDS IT WAS THEIR PARENTS. IT WAS SOMETHING THERE PARENTED TO INSPIRE THEM TO WANT TO SEEK A SPECIFIC PROFESSION. I WAS, EDUCATION .

MY PARENTS WORK MULTIPLE JOBS . HALF OF MY SIBLINGS NEVER GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL. I WAS ONLY ONE IN MY FAMILY TO GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL. WHAT INSPIRED ME WAS A TEACHER. I WANT ALL THE FAMILIES THAT ARE JUST LIKE MINE WE'RE GOING TO RELENTLESSLY ADVOCATE FOR OUR KIDS. IF THEIR PARENTS ARE UNABLE TO BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME , HOW DO WE BUILD BETTER? WE ARE DOING A GOOD JOB AT THE

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IT COULD BE A MECHANIC, A MARINE ENGINE, A FORKLIFT OPERATOR.

WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS OF DRAMATICALLY INCREASING THE NUMBERS OF EXAMS OUR STUDENTS ARE PASSING.

HOWEVER, WE WANT TO START EVEN EARLIER TO CREATE AWARENESS AND EARLIER AGE . WE ARE ALREADY NUMBER ONE ON THE TREASURED COAST. WE ARE TOP 10 IN THE STATE WHEN IT COMES TO TECHNICAL EDUCATION. HOWEVER,WE ALWAYS KNOW , MY GOALS TO BE NUMBER ONE IN THE STATE. NOT JUST ON THE TREASURY COAST. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT AN EDUCATED WORKFORCE BENEFITS EVERYONE. AND THAT IS OUR COMMUNITY. SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S AWARENESS. THEY GOING TO EXPLORATIONS AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. HIGH SCHOOLS ABOUT EXPERIENCE AND PROVIDING ACTUAL EXPERIENCES WITH BUSINESSES, KIDS OR INTEREST. THEY GO COLLEGE AND CAREER. THEY GO TO COLLEGE MAYBE AT IRS C OR THE IMMEDIATELY ENTER THE WORKFORCE.

TRAITS A THRIVING COMMUNITY. OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE A PATHWAY FOR STUDENTS. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THIS IS NOT TRACKING.

THIS IS PROVIDING OPPORTUNITY AND AWARENESS. KIDS COMPARED IT FROM ONE THING FOR ANOTHER ANYTIME THEY WANT TO ACROSS THEIR EDUCATIONAL CAREER. IT STARTS WITH PLAY WITH PURPOSE AND IT STARTS WITH KINDERGARTEN. THESE ARE ALL THE THEMES THAT GO WITH PLAY WITH PURPOSE. KIDS BECOME AWARE OF WHAT IT'S LIKE TO WORK IN AN AIRPORT, CARE FOR KIDS, FIRST RESPONDERS, BEING A VET AND THAT HAPPENS AT THE KINDERGARTEN LEVEL. IT'S ALL BASED AROUND PLAY. AND THEN WE PROVIDE WHAT IS AN INTEREST INVENTORY. THAT'S A SYSTEM THAT BASICALLY IS A CAREER INTEREST FOR KIDS AND IT STARTS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THEY DO IT AGAIN IN MIDDLE SCHOOL AND AGAIN IN HIGH SCHOOL. I'M GLAD YOU ASKED BECAUSE I HAVE AN ANSWER.

>> ZILLOW IS A PLATFORM WHERE STUDENTS CAN GO IN AND TAKE A SELF-ASSESSMENT WITHIN THAT SELF-ASSESSMENT THEY WILL ASK WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, WHAT KIND OF THINGS DO THEY LIKE AND BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THAT ASSESSMENT IT WILL GIVE THEM

POSSIBLE CAREER OPPORTUNITIES. >> I GET A TEXT FROM MY DAUGHTER. THAT'S HER. I FOR KIDS. SHE IS THE LAST ONE IN THE NEST, SO TO SPEAK. SHE IS A SOPHOMORE AT ST. LUCIE CENTENNIAL HIGH. SHE SHOOTS ME A TEXTURING THE WAY. SHE HAD PERMISSION FROM HER TEACHER TO SHOOT ME A TEXT BECAUSE SHE TOOK A PICTURE OF THE CATEGORIES THAT SAID THAT SHE MIGHT BE GOOD AT.

IT GAVE HER DIFFERENT JOBS THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN AND NOTICED THE ONE THE BOTTOM LEFT. SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT.

>> BLOCK. I MIGHT ADD. I FOUND THAT INCREDIBLY, INCREDIBLY FUNNY.

HOW SPECIFIC IS THAT, RIGHT? SO, WE WANT TO BUILD ON OUR SUCCESS BECAUSE WE ARE DOING VERY, VERY WELL BUT WE ALSO KNOW WE CAN DO BETTER. WHAT WE SAW, WE TOOK A TRIP TO KENTUCKY WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPER COUNSEL. WE HAVE TWO VERY SUCCESSFUL CAREER FAIRS AT HIGH SCHOOL WHERE BUSINESSES COME AND I'M GOING TO GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE BUT IN KENTUCKY THEY STARTED MIDDLE SCHOOL AND IT'S CALLED THE EIGHTH GRADE EXPERIENCE AND WHAT IT DOES IS BUSINESSES, AND THEY TRIED TO INCITE INTEREST IN STUDENTS AND IT'S VERY DIFFERENT WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THE ATTENTION OF AN EIGHTH-GRADER VERSUS AN 11TH AND 12TH GRADER. THEY TRY TO CREATE EXCITEMENT ABOUT THEIR INDUSTRY THAT AN EIGHTH GRADER COULD LATCH ONTO. AND THEN WE EVEN TAKE IT FURTHER BECAUSE IT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION AS THEY GET INTO HIGH SCHOOL ABOUT THAT PATHWAY

AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. >> THE NEXT STEP IS FOR THEM TO EXPLORE. I THINK THAT'S REALLY AMAZING. THEY CAN EXPLORE ALL THE POSSIBILITIES THAT ARE THERE. AND THEN THEY CAN LOOK TOWARDS THE FUTURE, LIKE, WHAT DO I NEED TO COMPLETE IN MIDDLE SCHOOL NOW TO PREPARE MYSELF FOR WHAT'S AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.

>> SO, WE HAVE SO MANY CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS AT ALL OF OUR HIGH SCHOOLS AND THEY ARE DUPLICATED ACROSS OUR HIGH SCHOOLS SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO ONE HIGH SCHOOL AND MISS OUT ON SOMETHING SOMEPLAE ELSE. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF UNIQUE PROGRAMS. BUT WE ARE ALSO ADDING, BECAUSE OF THE INDUSTRIES THAT ARE MOVING HERE IS ADDING SPACE ACADEMY. ADDING DENTAL ASSISTANT. ALLIED HEALTH. ALL KINDS OF TECHNICAL OUTBOAR MARINE ENGINE. AMAZON AND CHENEY BROTHERS. GLOBAL LOGISTICS. ALL OF THESE KINDS OF INDUSTRIES AND THE KILL -- SKILLS KIDS NEED. MY AIR CONDITIONER GUY MAKES MORE THAN I DO. THERE'S A LOT OF JOBS OUT THERE WHERE FOLKS CAN IMMEDIATELY LEAVE HIGH SCHOOL AND GET A JOB AND BUILD IN CONSTRUCTION OR ANY KIND OF INDUSTRY THAT THEY CAN ACTUALLY BUILD MEANINGFUL PARTICIPANTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO, WE ALSO HAVE PRE-APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS. IF YOU'RE 16 YEARS OLD YOU CAN GO INTO THESE INDUSTRIES AND WORK SIDE-BY-SIDE WITH PROFESSIONALS AND ACTUALLY GET A JOB BEFORE YOU CAN GET A JOB. THE STUDENTS ARE WORKING IN OUR INDUSTRIES AND OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY AND PRE-APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS.

>> IT MAKES ME FEEL A BIT MORE CONFIDENT IN THE FUTURE THAN HOW

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AND WHAT I ACTUALLY LIKE. >> MOLLY LIKES TO SOLVE PUZZLES AND IT PROVIDED HER INFORMATION ON DETECTIVES OR DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES WHERE YOU SAW THINGS AND YOU FIGURE THINGS OUT. WHAT WE HAVE THESE CAREER FAIRS AND THESE ARE HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL. WE DO THEM APRIL 8TH AND 27TH. WE WILL INVITE THE CITY COMMISSION SO YOU CAN SEE FOR YOURSELF . LITERALLY 1000 OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WILL HAVE RESUMES. THEY'RE GOING TO BE DRESSED UP BUT THEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SOFT SKILLS THAT THEY WILL LEARN. THINK ABOUT THAT. I CAN TEACH THEM ALL KINDS OF TECHNICAL SKILLS BUT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE SOFT SKILLS NECESSARY THE TEAMWORK ABILITY THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACET OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING WITH CLASSROOMS TO CAREERS. NOTE CHILD'S RISES TO EXPECTATIONS. WE TALK ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE SYSTEM. WE ARE GOING TO BE RELENTLESS ADVOCATES FOR OUR KIDS. RELENTLESS. WE ARE NOT GOING TO LET THEM STAY HOME.

WERE NOT GOING TO LET THEM NOT PASS. WE'RE GOING TO BE RELENTLESSLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL. WE ARE COMMITTED TO GETTING HER STUDENTS READY TO WORK FOR COMMUNITY. I WANTED TO GET AND JUMP INTO BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A COUPLE MORE MINUTES LEFT. OUR GROWTH IN CONSTRUCTION. WE HAVE TWO, NOT TWO BUT THREE CONCURRENT JOBS GOING ON RIGHT NOW. ONE IS THE NEW LEGACY HIGH SCHOOL. THE LEGACY LINES OPENING IN HIGH SCHOOL. AUGUST OF THIS YEAR. WE ARE FORT PIERCE WESTWOOD. THAT'S GOING TO BE OPENING IN SEVEN MONTHS. JANUARY 2026. OUR STUDENTS ARE TRANSITIONING IN DECEMBER UNDER THEIR NEW FACILITY AND I'VE GOT AN EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THAT WERE GOING TO BE BREAKING GROUND ON A NEW TRADITION. THIS IS SOMETHING THE CITY FOR MISSION WILL BE INVITED TO YOUR GOING TO BE INVITED TO OUR GROUND MAKING. I WILL SAY THIS YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME TO THE GROUNDBREAKING NECESSARILY.

GOING TO BE DOING THREE DIFFERENT THINGS AT THE GROUNDBREAKING. ARE GOING TO BREAK GROUND AT THE NEW KA THAT WE GO TAKE A TOUR OF THE LEGACY HIGH SCHOOL WHICH WILL BE UNDER AIR AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO BE TAKING A TOUR OF THE NEW FORT PIERCE WESTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL AND THAT WILL NOT BE UNDER AIR.

HOWEVER, IF ANY OF OUR COUNTY OR CITY COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO TOUR ONE, ALL, WHATEVER THEY WANT, WE ARE GOING TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE DAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO OCCUR. THE NEW WESTERN GROVE KA, THAT'S NOT THE NAME. IT'S JUST THE LOCATION. A COMMITTEE WILL BE WORKING TO NAME THAT SCHOOL.

IF YOU GET OFF OF GATLIN AND THEN GO WEST ON TRADITION BOULEVARD ABOUT A MILE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE CITY PARK THAT THEY ARE BUILDING NOW THAT IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BACK UP SO WE'LL HAVE SOME FIELD USE FACILITIES THERE SHARING IN THIS IS A PREVIEW OF WESTWOOD. ♪ AS YOU CAN SEE, BALL FIELDS ARE DONE. SPRING FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL WILL BE PLAYED ON THOSE FIELDS AND THE SCHOOLS GOING TO OPEN ON TIME, ON SCHEDULE, ON BUDGET, JANUARY 2026 AND, MADAME MAYOR, THAT CONCLUDES MY REMARKS. IF THE CITY HAS ANY

QUESTIONS. >> HOW EXCITING. YES, SIR? ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TEST QUESTIONS?

>> THANK YOU, DR. PRINCE. KIDS ARE MY PASSION, SO, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID BECAUSE I'M OUT IN THE COMMUNITY EVERY DAY WITH THE KIDS . AS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SITTING APPEAR, I REMEMBER WHEN WESTWOOD OPENED UP. AGING MYSELF RIGHT HERE. SEE THE NEW WESTWOOD COMING UP IS A GREAT THING. IT'S GOING TO BE A

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>> THANK YOU, MADAME MAYOR. THANK YOU DR. PRINCE FOR TAKING THE TIME TO BE HERE WITH US TODAY. IT REOPENED A MEMORY FOR ME , IN THE '90S, THE INFANCY OF INTERNET WHEN I WAS A KID, I MUST'VE BEEN THE PREDECESSOR BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING ON THE INTERNET, YOU PUT YOUR INTERESTS AND STUFF IN AND IT WOULD SPIT OUT A LIST OF JOBS AND I WILL NEVER LET MY SISTER LIVE THIS DOWN BECAUSE IN YOUR TOP THREE WAS THE THIRD ONE AND IT SAID

CROWN COLLEGE. -- CLOWN COLLEGE. >>

>> SHE WENT TO REAL COLLEGE. >> THERE YOU GO.

>> THAT'S A GOOD ONE. >> IT'S EXCITING TO SEE THAT SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAS BECOME A BETTER TOOL BECAUSE I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT I WANT TO DO WHEN I GROW UP. IT'S EXCITING TO SEE KIDS GETTING EXCITED ABOUT THAT BECAUSE, AS AN ADULT NOW, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S SO MANY JOBS THAT I DID NOT KNOW EVEN EXISTED AND THERE'S SO MANY COOL INDUSTRIES AND YOU DON'T EVEN NECESSARILY HAVE, YOU KNOW, TO BE A LAWYER BUT THERE IS STUFF IN THE LAW WORLD AND PLENTY OTHER JOBS THAT YOU CAN DO IN THERE SO MANY OTHER THINGS. MY WIFE WORKING IN THE FOREST SERVICE, THERE'S BRIDGE BUILDERS AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS, IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY COOL TOOL THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR KIDS NOW AND WE ARE REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE SUCH A COMMITTED SCHOOL

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KIDS AND OUR COMMUNITIES. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. QUITE IMPRESSIVE.

ESPECIALLY THE MATRIX ON THE SCHOOL ELEVATION. AS FAR AS THEIR SUCCESS RATES, THAT'S TRULY IMPRESSIVE AND YOUR STAFF DESERVES CREDIT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO POSITION SOME OF YOUR STUDENTS IS AN APPLICATION THAT THIS COMMISSION APPROVED RECENTLY FOR NEW COMPANY MOVING INTO FORT PIERCE THAT BUILDS ARMORED CARS.

>> I HEARD ABOUT THAT. >> 250 EMPLOYEES. SALARIES NORTH OF $55,000 A YEAR, BROUGHT IN BY THE ADC. BROUGHT IN BY THE SAME CREW THAT YOU'RE WORKING WITH. THE TIME IS REMARKABLE TO ME. AS I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD, CITY COMMISSION IS WORKING VERY, VERY HARD WITH THE ADC AND OTHER PARTNERS TO CREATE THE JOBS COURT OR WEST OF THE CITY. WE WANT GOOD PAYING, SKILLED POSITIONS MOVING INTO THE 4 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF SPACE THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED OUT WEST. AS TO THE LANDLORDS OF THOSE BUILDINGS THAT ARE CONSTRUCTING THEM. SO, THE CRITICAL COMPONENT HERE IS LOCALLY BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THE WORKFORCE THAT THESE COMPANIES SEEK. PARTNERING WITH THE EDC, I KNOW THIS COMMISSION IS COMMITTED TO THIS UNDERTAKING WERE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO EXECUTE ON IT TO GET THE SKILLED LABOR THAT WE NEED, THAT'S YOUR AREA OF EXPERTISE.

IT'S OUR AREA OF EXPERTISE TO COMPILE THE PLAYERS TO CREATE SPACE, BRINGING THE COMPANIES TO PROVIDE THESE JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND KEEP OUR FOLKS LOCAL INSTEAD OF MOVING OUT OF STATE OR OUT-OF-TOWN OR WHATEVER. LIVE, PLAY, WORK HERE IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. MORE SPECIFICALLY IN FORT PIERCE. I COMMEND YOUR UNDERTAKING IN THOSE AREAS. CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO THE

SUCCESS OF THE CITY. >> YOU BROUGHT UP AN IMPORTANT POINT. KEEP LOCAL LOCAL. WHAT HAPPENS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY STAYS IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THEY WANTED TO ADD THE SPACE PROGRAM. IS THAT I'M NOT GOING TO ADD ANYTHING TO THE SPACE PROGRAM WHEN KIDS ARE GOING TO GRADUATE AND MOVE TO BREVARD BUT WILL WE TALKED ABOUT IS THERE INDUSTRIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SUPPORTING THE SPACE INDUSTRIES THAT THEY ARE ATTRACTING HERE IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. THAT I WILL GET ON BOARD WITH. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ABOUT TECHNICAL THINGS IN OUR HIGH SCHOOLS THAT ARE GOING TO BE HELPING OTHER COMMUNITIES. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF WHAT WE TALK ABOUT. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. YOU CAN SEE THE LAYERING HERE AND ALL THE INTERACTION AMONGST THESE ORGANIZATIONS. THE DEPARTMENT SCHOOL BOARD IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROGRAM AND JUST ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT. THOSE KIDS YOU INTERVIEWED ON THE FIFTH GRADE AND EIGHTH GRADE, THE ONES THAT SAID THEY WANTED TO BE LAWYERS, COULD YOU GET THEM SOME COUNSELING, PLEASE?

>> YES. YES. YES. YES. >> THAT'S FINE. I'LL TAKE THAT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'VE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS. WHERE COMMISSIONER BRODERICK LEFT OFF, WE JUST COMPLETED OUR 2024 '25 THE '26 STRATEGIC PLAN. WE HAVE STRATEGIC GOALS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. SOME OF THE THINGS , THEY INTERTWINE DIRECTLY WITH WHAT THEY PUT IN OUR STRATEGIC GOAL. HOW TO ENGAGE HER CITIZENS. HOW DO WE ELEVATE OUR CITY TO THE POINT WHERE EVERYTHING YOU TALKED ABOUT CENTERS AROUND EDUCATION AND RETAINING THE LOCAL TALENT HERE I THINK IT'S CRITICAL AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HEAR FOR THE BORCHARD HERE THAT WE MUST AND WE NEED TO MEET. I'M PUSHING THIS BECAUSE I SEE SOME GAPS HERE BETWEEN WHERE IN ONE ROOM, YOU'RE IN ANOTHER ROOM AND WE DON'T SHARE OUR PLANS.

IT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THEY'RE OVERLAPPING WHICH GETS ME TO MY NEXT POINT. I ALWAYS HAVE CONCERN ABOUT PUBLIC SCHOOL SAFETY BUT LOCATION AND SOME OF THE SCHOOLS, SOME ARE OWNED BY THE COUNTY, SOME ARE OWNED BY THE CITY, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ONE OR TWO CONCERNS THAT YOU

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CETERA. >> FIRST OF ALL, THE FIRST STEP IS I'M HERE RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR AN AUDIENCE WITH THE CITY COMMISSION AND NOT JUST THIS MUNICIPALITY BUT ALL OF OUR MUNICIPALITIES. I SPOKE WITH THE COUNTY LAST WEEK AND I WENT IN FRONT OF THE CITY AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THAT IS TO SHARE CLASSROOMS TO CRUISE WITH YOU. OUR COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH TO TECHNICAL AND SKILL TRADE AND HOPEFULLY OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLABORATION. WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT PREPRINTED SHIPS AS SOON AS I LEAVE HERE TODAY ARE ALL GOING TO GET AN EMAIL FOR ME DOING JUST THAT INVITING YOU TO ENGAGE AND IF THAT'S US COMING TO A MEETING WE HAVE FOLKS COMING TO OUR TECHNICAL PROGRAM.

IT ADDRESSES A LOT OF MUNICIPAL NEEDS, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE EDC BECAUSE THAT'S THE ORGANIZATION. THAT'S THE ORGANIZATION WE WORK THROUGH TO TALK ABOUT WHAT DO THEY NEED TO BUILD THE ARMORED CARS? IS IT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT IN OUR SCHOOLS. DO WE NEED TO ADD SOMETHING? THOSE AS A COMMUNICATIONS THAT I'M HAVING. THOSE ARE ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THESE INDUSTRIES WE'VE GOT A SEAT AT THE TABLE AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE WE NEED TO LOOK AND DR. HELEN WATT IS MY DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT. AND THEN MY CHIEF OFFICER, HE'S OVERALL AND SAFETY ISSUES WE ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS QUITE OFTEN. NOT NECESSARILY WITH THE CITY COMMISSION, IT MIGHT BE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT'S A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE. WHERE TRYING TO ADDRESS OUR BUSING TO HAVE A LESS OF A FOOTPRINT TO HELP WITH TRAFFIC. WE ARE LOOKING AT OUR ZONES. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ZONING. WE SENT $26 A YEAR ON TRANSPORTATION. WE TAKEN 12 .

THAT'S A PROBABLY HAVE TO FIX. AS WE GROW AND EXPAND, WHERE DRAWING GROWING BY 1500 STUDENTS A YEAR. THAT'S CRAZY. I WELCOME

, I EMBRACE THAT CONVERSATION. >> I SAY THAT PART OUT LOUD BECAUSE WE ARE ELECTED POLICYMAKERS. OUR BOARD, YOUR BOARD, IT'S STAFFING ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH. WE HAVE TO PUT OUR STAFF TOGETHER BECAUSE OUR ENGINEERING STAFF , THEY HEAR ABOUT OUR CONCERNS ABOUT ROADWAYS. OUR ROADWAYS GO RIGHT PAST YOUR SCHOOLS AND PARENTS USE THOSE SCHOOLS TO NAVIGATE KIDS. AS POLICYMAKERS THAT SIT ON TPO'S THE DEAL WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW WE MOVE PEOPLE AROUND THE CITY IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET OUR STAFFING'S INVOLVED HERE AT THE GRANULAR LEVEL TO DO THE STUFF EACH AND EVERY DAY THAT CAN BRING STUFF TO OUR ATTENTION SO WE CAN GET THE COMMUNITY RESOURCES AND PARTNERS TO HELP ACCELERATE GETTING THIS STUFF DONE AND I AGREE WITH TRANSPORTATION IS AN EMERGING ISSUE THROUGHOUT THE STATE PARTICULARLY WHEN WE ARE HERE IN THE CITY. MY CONCERN WITH THAT IS YOU HIT ON THE HEAD. WE HAVE GROWTH OF SCHOOLS. WERE GOING TO NEED TEACHERS. WE ALWAYS HAD A CONCERN ABOUT WHERE DO TEACHERS LIVE? I'VE GOT GREAT INFIELD IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR AND THE REST OF US ARE UNDERSTANDING HOW DO WE GET THESE HOME SO THAT TEACHERS CAN AFFORD THEM AND LIVE IN THEM BECAUSE THEY TRULY SHAPE AND CHANGE THE COMMUNITY. I GREW UP IN A COMMUNITY OF TEACHERS . MY BEHAVIORS WERE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE SAME PEOPLE ARE IN SCHOOL ARE STILL ON THE STREETS, RIGHT? I THINK AS WE BEGIN TO ADDRESS OUR CONCERNS OF WANTING TO GET HOUSES IN FIELD, YOU HAVE AN ATTRACTIVE MODEL TO SAY, HEY, YOU COME HERE AND TEACH. IT'S AFFORDABLE. YOUR HOMES FOR YOU TO LIVE IN. WE WORK TOGETHER AND WE RESOLVE OUR ISSUES, RIGHT? WE DON'T LOSE TEACHERS TO PALM BEACH AND I'M SURE THAT'S A CONCERN. I WANTED TO PUBLICLY PUT THAT ON THE RECORD TO SAY FOR MY PERSPECTIVE I'M GOING TO BE PUSHING THIS COMMISSION THROUGH OUR STAFF TO MEET WITH YOU GUYS TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I DON'T GET A CHANCE TO COME TO THE MEETINGS AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO BUT I DO KNOW WE NEED TO WORK

TOGETHER. >> AGREED.

>> OKAY. GREAT. SO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN SOCIETY RIGHT NOW, PUBLIC EDUCATION IS TAKING A HIT AND NATIONALLY AND WHAT I WANT TO SAY TO YOU IS I JUST FEEL LIKE YOU HAVEN'T LISTEN TO

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>> META-MAYOR, I APPRECIATE THAT. I DO WANT TO SAY ONE THING. COMPETITION IS NOT A BAD THING AND IF FAMILIES ARE CHOOSING , YOU KNOW, OPTIONS OTHER THAN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING WRONG AND WE HAVE GOT TO FIX IT.

I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF PROVIDING A SERVICE THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNTY STORE NORTH END ARE SOUTH ARE BLEEDING STUDENTS TO PRIVATE HOMESCHOOL, CHARTERS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE STILL ADDING 1500 STUDENTS A YEAR. THEY ARE NOT LEAVING US. THAT MEANS THAT FAMILIES ARE, FOR THE MOST PART, HAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING AND I DO THINK THAT WE ARE THE BEST OPTION FOR ALMOST ALL OF OUR FAMILIES BUT I DO BELIEVE IN CHOICE AND IT'S

GOING TO MAKE US BETTER. >> YES. I AGREE AND I THINK THAT IS, KIND OF, WHAT IS HAPPENING. THE DYNAMIC IS, OKAY, WE ARE GOING TO BE BETTER AND I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU FACE BECAUSE YOU HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT LANGUAGES YOU HAVE AND SO MANY DIFFERENT SKILLS AND ABILITIES AND BUT I ALSO WANTED TO EMPHASIZE YOUR COLLABORATION WITH THE EDC AND I THINK ALSO WITH IRS SEE BECAUSE YOU'RE REALLY A PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND IN THE COMMUNITY AND ALSO ON THE SAFETY ISSUE WE HAVE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AT FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT AT TWO SCHOOLS. WE WOULD LIKE TO DO MORE BUT WE KNOW THAT EVERY SCHOOL HAS IT. WE FIND A BIG VALUE IN THAT. CA MOORES ONE OF THEM. I WAS THERE SATURDAY BECAUSE WE HAD A CLEANUP AND ALL THE KIDS WERE THERE. THE PRINCIPAL WAS THERE. THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL WAS THERE. THE WHOLE SCHOOL WAS MAKING THE SCHOOL BETTER. CA MOORES ONE OF MY FAVORITE PLACES AND THE OTHER SCHOOL WHERE WE HAVE THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER IS DAN MCCARTY AND LIKE I SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER IF WE EVER HAVE A BUDGET THAT WILL ALLOW THAT.

>> THANK YOU, META-MAYOR. MR. JOHNSON?

>> I WANT TO ADD TWO THINGS. FIRST AND FOREMOST. AS A GRADUATE OF WESTWOOD HIGH SCHOOL, THANK YOU.

>> THERE YOU GO. >> GO PANTHERS, RIGHT?

>> YOU CAN TAKE THE TOUR. >> SECONDLY I WANT TO COMMISSIONER GAINES MENTIONED SOMETHING AND ALSO COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. SOMETHING YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF INCLUDING OUR SCHOOL BOARD, THE CITY HAS PARTNERED WITH CAREER RESOURCE COACH AND NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND WE ARE A STATE RECOGNIZE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM FOR DISCIPLINES AND PROCESSES. THE HR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN TASKED WITH CREATING BONA FIDE TRAINING AND APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS THAT WERE RECOGNIZED BY AUTHORITATIVE BODIES. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THAT HAS BEEN ONGOING AND IS CONTINUING AND GIVEN THIS OPPORTUNITY THERE IS DEFINITELY ROOM FOR COLLABORATION RIGHT HERE LOCALLY.

>> THAT'S AWESOME. >> GOOD POINT. YET. SO, THANK

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GOOD NEWS. >> HAVE A GREAT DAY. TAKE CARE.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS

THE TYLER MUNIS UPDATE. >> MR. JOHNSON?

>> I BELIEVE A MONTH OR SO AGO THE COMMISSIONER ASKED FOR AN UPDATE AS TO THE PROGRESSION OF OUR TYLER MUNIS MIGRATION. THAT WAS APPROVED ROUGHLY FIVE YEARS AGO AND THESE LADIES , MISS LETIZIA CRUZ WHO IS OUR ADMINISTRATOR AND MISS KRISTI KIRSTEIN ARE GOING TO PROVIDE US WITH AN UPDATE. GIVE YOU A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE PROCESS, WHAT THE PLATFORM LOOKS LIKE. PREFERABLY IT'S GOING TO BE FROM A FRONT FACING, CUSTOMER FACING. THEY WILL GO OVER THE BACK END A LITTLE BIT SO YOU SEE WHAT WE SEE INTERNALLY. ALSO, WE HAVE HERE MR. PAUL THOMAS AND SHAWN WHO IS ONE OF THE MAIN -- CURRENTLY ONE OF THE MAIN AREAS OF INCREASED USAGE IS NOT BUILDING PERMITS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THEY WILL SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS.

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>> ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME. WHO IS STARTING?

>> IN MORNING. I WILL BE STARTING. MY NAME IS LETIZIA.

I'M THE ADMINISTRATOR AND TO MY RIGHT IS KIRSTY KIRSTEIN. SHE IS OUR ANALYST. AND JUST DO, KIND OF --

>> YOU NEED TO MOVE YOUR MY CLOSERS WE CAN MAKE SURE

EVERYONE CAN HEAR YOU. >> BEAR WITH US. WE ARE BOTH BEHIND-THE-SCENES PEOPLE. SO, JUST BEAR WITH US WHY PROVIDE THIS UPDATE WITH FOR YOU. OKAY. SO, JUST WANTED TO MENTION SOME OF OUR GOALS FOR THIS PROJECT. THEY STREAMLINE BUSINESS PROCESSES . THEY IMPROVE DATA VISIBILITY AND SUPPORTING TOOLS.

TO ENHANCE USABILITY AND OVERALL SATISFACTION WITH THE NEW ERP SYSTEM AND PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE TRAINING TO EMPLOYEES FOR SMOOTH TRANSITION AND EFFECTIVE SYSTEM USE. PROJECT TIMELINE WE MOVE FORWARD TO OBTAIN A NEW ERP SYSTEM. SHORTLY AFTER IN OCTOBER OF 2021 WE HAD OUR PROJECT KICKOFF MEETING WITH OUR PROJECT HAD AN PROJECT TEAM. WE KICKED OFF PHASE ONE AND ENTERPRISE PHASE TWO KICKED OFF. IN OCTOBER OF 2022 PHASE ONE ENTERPRISE ERP FINANCIALS WAS COMPLETED IN MARCH. IN DECEMBER OF 2022 PHASE THREE KICKED OFF AND THAT WAS COVERING THE ENTERPRISE ERP HUMAN RESOURCE MODULE . IN JULY OF 2023 PHASE FOUR KICKED OFF DEALING WITH ENTERPRISE ASSET MANAGEMENT . IN DECEMBER 2023 THE COMPLETION OF PHASE THREE THE HUMAN RESOURCE MANAGEMENT PLATFORM WAS LAUNCHED. IN JULY OF 2024 PHASE TWO COMPLETED AND WE LAUNCHED ENTERPRISE PERMITTING AND LICENSING . IN NOVEMBER 2024 PHASE FOUR COMPLETED BEING THE FINAL PHASE OF THE PROJECT MAKING ENTERPRISE ASSET MANAGEMENT FULLY OPERATIONAL. OUR APPROACH TO THIS IMPLEMENTATION WAS AMBITIOUS AND IN DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS FROM OTHER CITIES WE LEARNED THAT OUR TIMELINE WAS VERY AGGRESSIVE BUT DESPITE SOME OF THE EXPECTED DELAYS MOST PHASES WERE COMPLETED ON TIME WITH MINOR SETBACKS. SO, I WANTED TO PROVIDE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT EACH PHASE, STEPS THAT WERE TAKEN IN EACH PHASE. THE PROJECT FOLLOWED A VERY STRUCTURED APPROACH TO ENSURE SUCCESSFUL IN THE MENTATION. WE ESTABLISHED PROJECT OBJECTIVES, SCOPE AND IDENTIFY KEY STAKEHOLDERS. A TIMELINE WAS LEARNED AND RESPONSIBILITIES WERE SIGNED.

THIS STAGE CREATED A FOUNDATION FOR THE PROJECT OF IDENTIFYING AND ESTABLISHING SEQUENCE AND TIME. DURING THE ASSESSMENT THE TEAM CONDUCTED A THOROUGH EVALUATION OF CURRENT PROCESSES, IDENTIFIED REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW PLATFORM AND DEFINED SUCCESS CRITERIA FOR THE PROJECT THIS THAT BEGAN WITH SOLUTION ORIENTATION WHICH PROVIDED THE CITY IMPLEMENTATION TEAM WITH A HIGH LEVEL UNDERSTANDING OF THE SOLUTION THE FUNCTIONALITY AND PRIOR TO BEGINNING THE CURRENT AND FUTURE STATE ANALYSIS.

DURING CURRENT FUTURE STATE ANALYSIS SESSIONS CITY STAFF AND THE TYLER TEAM EVALUATED CURRENT STATE PROCESSES OPTIONS WITHIN THE NEW SOFTWARE, PROS AND CONS OF EACH AND MADE DECISIONS ON THE FUTURE STATE CONFIGURATION AND PROCESSING. DURING PREPARED SOLUTIONS STAGE INFORMATION GATHERED DURING THE INITIATING PLAN AND ASSESS AND DEFINED STATIONS WERE USED TO INSTALL AND CONFIGURE TYLER SOFTWARE SOLUTION. SOFTWARE CONFIGURATION WAS VALIDATED BY CITY STAFF AGAINST FUTURE DECISIONS DEFINED IN PREVIOUS STAGES AND PROCESSES WERE DEFINED AS NEEDED TO ENSURE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT. ACTIVITIES IN THE PRODUCTION READINESS STAGE PREPARED CITY STAFF FOR GO LIVE THROUGH SOLUTION VALIDATION , THE DEVELOPMENT OF DETAILED GO LIVE PLANS AND IN USER TRAINING. SOLUTION VALIDATION IS AN END-TO-END SOFTWARE TESTING ACTIVITY TO ENSURE THAT WE VERIFIED ALL ASPECTS OF THE PROJECT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY AND VALIDATED ALL THE FEATURES AND FUNCTIONS PER THE CONTRACT WERE DEPLOYED FOR SYSTEM USE. DURING THIS STAGE WE HELD A USER TRAINING. TRAIN THE TRAINER APPROACH WAS UTILIZED AND THAT WOULD BE TYLER PROVIDED OUR IMPLEMENTATION TEAM WITH IMPLEMENTATION TEAM IN USER TRAINING. DURING THE PRODUCTION STAGE IT WAS FULLY ENABLED FOR OPERATIONAL USE. THE

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ENTERPRISE ERP FINANCIALS HANDLES GENERAL ACCOUNTING, PAYMENT PROCESSING AND TRACKING OF REVENUES. THE LAUNCH WAS SUCCESSFUL. REQUIRING THOUSANDS OF STAFF HOURS. WE ARE CURRENTLY IN AN OPTIMIZATION PHASE WHERE STAFF CONTINUES TO LEARN HOW TO USE THE SYSTEM MORE EFFICIENTLY. THIS PHASE INCLUDED ONGOING TRAINING, IMPROVE REPORTING, REFINING PROCESSES TO ALIGN WITH THE SOFTWARE AND ADDRESSING ANY REMAINING TASKS FROM THE INITIAL IMPLEMENTATION. IT'S EXPECTED THAT A FULL OPTIMIZATION OF A MAJOR FINANCIAL SYSTEM WILL TAKE SEVERAL YEARS WITH CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT IN EFFICIENCY AND REPORTING AS STAFF GAINS A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE SYSTEM. IN JULY 2024, WE SUCCESSFULLY LAUNCHED THE ENTERPRISE ERP -- I'M SORRY.

ENTERPRISE PERMITTING AND LICENSING MODULE MARKING A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT IN THE WAY PERMITTING AND LICENSES PROCESS ARE MANAGED. THIS MODERN SYSTEM ENHANCES EFFICIENCY, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCESSIBILITY FOR BOTH STAFF AND THE PUBLIC.

KEY FEATURES INCLUDE ONLINE PERMIT AND LICENSE APPLICATIONS WHERE USERS CAN SUBMIT APPLICTIONS, CHECK THEIR PROGRESS AND RECEIVE APPROVALS ONLINE. AUTOMATED WORKFLOWS STREAMLINED PROCESSES REDUCE MANUAL WORK AND APPROVE RESPONSE TIMES, IMPROVE COMMUNICATION PROVIDING REAL-TIME UPDATES AND NOTIFICATIONS TO KEEP APPLICANTS INFORMED. INSURANCE SEAMLESS DATASHARING ACROSS THE DEPARTMENTS. PROMOTE THE LAUNCH OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM EXECUTED A COMPREHENSIVE CAMPAIGN INCLUDING NEWS RELEASES AND SOCIAL MEDIA ANNOUNCEMENTS ACROSS ALL OF OUR PLATFORMS. ADDITIONALLY WE CREATED A DEDICATED PAGE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE PROVIDING A DIRECT LINK TO CITIZENS OF SERVICE ALONG WITH ESSENTIAL INFORMATION, PROCESS DETAILS AND STEP-BY-STEP INSTRUCTIONS TO GUIDE USERS THROUGH EACH PROCEDURE. WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A BRIEF MOMENT TO SHOW YOU A QUICK DEMONSTRATION OF THE PUBLIC PHASE CITIZEN

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MOMENT. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> GOOD MORNING. THIS IS THE LOOK OF OUR ONLINE PORTAL. AS A NON-ACCOUNT HOLDER, THEY CAN STILL ACCESS CERTAIN FILES. THEY CAN PAY INVOICES IF THEY HAVE ANY INVOICE NUMBER THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AN ACCOUNT, AS LONG AS THEY'RE PROVIDING THE INVOICE NUMBER THEY ARE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND PROCESS THE PAYMENT. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PROCESS A PAYMENT.

THEY CAN CHECK ON THESE EXPANSIONS -- INSPECTIONS. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO LOOK AND SEE WHAT INSPECTIONS ARE SCHEDULED FOR TODAY. THAT'S A LIVE UPDATE AS THE INSPECTORS RESULT IN EXPECTIONS THEY WILL GIVE A LIVE UPDATE HERE. THEY CAN ALSO GO INTO THE INSPECTION AND GET DETAIL AS FAR AS WHO THE INSPECTOR IS AND A PHONE NUMBER FOR THAT INSPECTOR IN ORDER TO CONTACT AS NEEDED. AND THERE'S ALSO A SEARCH OPTION. IF YOU HAVE AN ADDRESS THAT YOU ARE INQUIRING ABOUT YOU ARE ABLE TO RESEARCH THAT AND GETS ANY INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IS NOT RESTRICTED. THAT WOULD INCLUDE PLANS THAT ARE IN OUR NEW TYLER SYSTEM ALONG WITH ANY PERMITS , INSPECTION RESULTS, EVEN CODE CASES . CERTAIN ASPECTS OF THAT ARE REDACTED OR NOT AVAILABLE BUT FOR THE GENERAL CASE INFORMATION, THAT'S ALSO AVAILABLE ONLINE.

>> CHRISTIE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO PULL YOUR MICROPHONE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. HE'S HAVING A HARD TIME HEARING YOU.

>> WHEN YOU SAY THEY, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AN OUTSIDE USER.

>> WRECKED. >> WHERE TALK ABOUT A CUSTOMER OR CITIZEN. NOT SOMEBODY INTERNALLY. THIS IS A CITIZEN.

>> WHAT HAPPENED TO SIGN UP FOR AN ACCOUNT.

>> RIGHT. SO, FROM HERE, YOU ARE ABLE TO GO AHEAD AND GO TO ATTACHMENTS AND THEY CAN DOWNLOAD PLANS . IT HELPS WITH OUR PUBLIC RECORDS PROCESS THAT WE HAD.

>> WHEN YOU GO IN THE MAIN PAGE , HOW DO YOU GET THERE?

>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. HOW DO YOU GET TO THE MAIN THING. WHAT'S THE ADDRESS OF TOP.

>> THE EASIEST WAY TO GET THERE IS TO GO TO OUR CITY WEBSITE AND ON OUR CITY WEBSITE YOU CAN ACCESS IT FROM ANY PAGE.

>> OKAY. SO, EVEN IF YOU ARE AT THE HOME PAGE, YOU CAN COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BOTTOM AND YOU CAN GO TO ENTERPRISE

PERMITTING AND LICENSING. >> OKAY. THAT'S HOW WE GET THERE. I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT ALSO, OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN DO IT ON THESE THINGS HERE, RIGHT? ON YOUR PHONES? ALSO, FROM THE SUMMARY PAGE, THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE WHERE THEY ARE AT IN THE PROCESS. SO, THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE GREEN MEANS THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED. RED MEANS THERE IS AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED AND IF IT'S AN EXPANSION THAT MEANS IT'S BEEN DENIED OR REQUIRES A REINSPECTION. YOU CAN SEE ANY FEES THAT NEED TO BE PAID. AND IT ALSO WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE YOU ARE AT IN THE COMPLETION PROCESS. THAT COMPLETION PROCESS IS NOT JUST THE REVIEW PROCESS. IT'S FROM THE DAY THAT YOU SUBMIT TO THE DATA YOU GET FINAL INSPECTION. IT'S A SIMILAR PROCESS WITH YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE AND CONTRACTOR LICENSING PROCESS

ALSO. >> AND THAT STAYS AFTER THE WHOLE PROCESS, RIGHT? YOU CAN STILL ACCESS AND SEE THE STATUS.

>> YEP. >> AS AN ONLINE USER, YOU'RE ABLE TO -- YOU WILL HAVE THE SAME VIEWS . YOU'LL JUST BE ABLE TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

>> META-MAYOR, QUESTION , SO, THE ADVANTAGE OF YOU HAVING TO LOGON IS YOU GET MORE IN DEPTH APPEAR. YOU'D HAVE TO GO IN AND

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>> WRECKED. YOU WOULD REGISTER AND THEN SET UP A PASSWORD. WHAT THAT GIVES YOU ACCESS TO DO IS YOU HAVE TO BE AN ACCOUNT HOLDER IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR PERMITS. IN ORDER TO SCHEDULE INSPECTIONS AND THAT WOULD BE THE SAME FOR APPLYING FOR A PLAN FOR YOUR SITE PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT ALONG WITH YOUR BUSINESS -- NOT BUSINESS YOUR SICK TRIPLICATE OF USE OR PROFESSIONAL LICENSE.

>> RIGHT. >> THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE NONUSER AND THE USER, BEING THE ABILITY TO UPDATE YOUR CASE OR YOUR FILES.

>> SO, I CAN IMAGINE THOSE DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE A LOT OF CUSTOMER FACING WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO REGISTER SO THEY HAVE THIS ACCESS. THE LICENSE DEPARTMENT BUILDING PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS AND IF THEY'RE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING, THOSE ARE PEOPLE THAT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO GO SET UP AN

ACCOUNT. >> YES. ABSOLUTELY. THAT WILL ALSO GIVE THE SYSTEM THE ABILITY TO UPDATE OR EMAIL UPDATES WHEN THE REVIEWS ARE COMPLETED , WHEN FEES ARE DUE IN THE INVOICE, THOSE GO TO THE ACCOUNT WITH THE EMAIL ADDRESSES.

>> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I WANT TO KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, WHAT'S OUR TAKE ON THIS. WHAT'S OUR VOLUME OF PEOPLE USING THE SYSTEM RIGHT BECAUSE WE ALWAYS HEAR THAT IT TAKES A LITTLE WHILE OR WHATEVER TO GET STUFF THROUGH BUT IT SEEMS PRETTY EVIDENT THAT WE ARE RESPONSIVE TO THAT. WE HAVE A SYSTEM BUT IF PEOPLE AREN'T USING OR WHERE WE HAVE ANOTHER

SITUATION. OKAY. >> THE DEDUCTION HAS BEEN VERY WELL. ANYTIME YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SOMETHING NEW IT'S GOING TO BE SLOW INITIALLY BUT AS WE FURTHER OUR INITIATIVE , THIS IS THE REQUIRED METHODOLOGY. WHEN I SAY REQUIRED, I THINK SOME OF THE IDEA HAS BEEN AND WE FOR THIS IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TIME, FOR EXAMPLE, MOVING INTO ELECTRONIC AND SOME OF THE KICKBACK IS PEOPLE THAT CAN'T DO THIS AND DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT AND WILL THOSE THINGS ARE VALID, I WOULD SUBMIT ON THE COUNTER THAT APPLIES TO SOCIAL SECURITY AND THAT APPLIES TO RETIREMENT. REPLIES TO THESE OTHER AREAS IN LIFE. EITHER WE CONTINUE TO PUSH IT FORWARD BY GUIDING PEOPLE THROUGH OUR DESTINATION OR WE GET IN A STALEMATE OF HALFWAY IN THE FUTURE AND HAPPILY IN THE PAST. TO THAT END, THE ADOPTION HAS BEEN RESPONSIVE. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ADAPTING TO THE NEW SYSTEM . WE ARE WORKING OUT THE QUIRKS AS WE IDENTIFIED THEM. WE HAVE OUR BUILDING DIRECTOR AND THAT WILL SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENTS WE GET TO THAT

POINT. >> META-MAYOR, REAL QUICK. I'VE GOT TWO THINGS. I'VE GOT THIS GOING ON IN MY HEAD. SIGN UP FOR AN ACCOUNT. I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT WE HAVEN'T SAID, IT'S

THREE TO AN ACCOUNT. NO COST. >> FREE TO SET UP FOR AN ACCOUNT. I KNOW THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE ALSO HAVE A KIOSK. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A COMPUTER YOU ARE ABLE TO COME INTO AT LEAST THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS TO ACTUALLY SIGN UP SO THAT WAY IT'S MORE EASILY AVAILABLE.

>> THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THE KIOSK. THANK YOU FOR THAT. LET THE PUBLIC KNOW IT'S NOT AN INSIDIOUS CHARGE. SIGN UP FREE. PUT YOUR INFORMATION IN AND JUST A SUGGESTION TO EVERYBODY THAT'S ON THE SYSTEM FOR THE CITY MANAGER , WHAT THEY JUST SAID ABOUT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO USE IT, WHATEVER, AND SOMEONE THAT'S DEALING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE AFRAID OF TECHNOLOGY IN MY HOUSEHOLD RIGHT NOW, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO HOST AN ELDERLY OR -- I'M TRYING TO SAY THIS, YOU SEE HIM STRUGGLING. I'M NOT TRYING TO GET ANY EMAILS RIGHT HERE.

SOMEONE WHO , FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IS NOT REALLY WANT TO DO TECHNOLOGY. I'LL PUT IT THAT WAY. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT, BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT. SOME TYPE OF BRINGING THEM IN AND SEMINAR MEETING, WHATEVER, JUST TO SAY, HEY, IT'S OKAY. THIS IS WHAT YOU DO. YOU'LL PROBABLY GET A LOT MORE INTAKES AND BECAUSE WE ARE GOING HOME, WILL STOP SOMEONE IN THE STREET AND SAGES GO ON THE WEBSITE AND DO IT. YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M CRAZY WHERE AS THEY COME IN AND WE HAVE A SEMINAR IN HERE, ANYWHERE, JUST LIKE WE'RE DOING TODAY, THIS IS ALL YOU DO. HAVE SOME PEOPLE COMING IN. I JUST

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>> ALL RIGHT, SO, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT ON THE CITIZEN SELF-SERVE SIDE, I WILL GIVE A REAL BRIEF SNAPSHOT OF WHAT THE STAFF USERS USUALLY SEE WHEN THEY COME IN.

>> SO, THE MAIN SCREEN WHEN YOU SIGN ON IS WHAT YOU CALL A HUB CARD AND THIS IS THE SAME FOR THE ERP FINANCIAL AS IT IS WITH THE ELP PERMITTING LICENSING AREA. THESE CARDS ARE ALL CUSTOMIZABLE. EVERYBODY'S DESKTOP OR DASHBOARD CAN LOOK DIFFERENT. THIS IS JUST, SORT OF, WHAT HAS BEEN SET UP IN THIS ENVIRONMENT. AT A GLANCE, YOUR STAFF WILL SEE WHAT REVIEWS THEY HAVE. DUE TO THEM. WHAT NEW REVIEWS HAVE COME INTO THEM SO THAT MY REVIEWS ARE WHAT THE REVIEWERS WOULD USE. THE PROJECT MANAGERS, YOUR PERMANENT TEXT ARE YOUR PLANNERS THAT ARE THE FIRST PERSON WHO SEES THE PLANS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS GOOD , THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED, THAT WOULD BE MY REVIEW COORDINATOR. THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE AND LIVE TIME AS NEW PROJECTS COME IN OR AS REVIEWS ARE COMPLETED. THESE NUMBERS ON THE CARDS WILL CHANGE. NEW TASK, SOME OF THE WORKFLOWS HAVE TASKS THAT NEED TO BE COMPLETED. THAT'S A LIVE CARD THAT CHANGES AS THEY HAVE CHECK -- TASKS THAT ARE DUE. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK PREVIEW THAT THE PLANS AND THE STAFF DON'T HAVE TO GO IN SEVERALDIFFERENT DIRECTIONS IN ORDER TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE DO FOR THE DAY. IF THEY ARE ABLE TO SEE THAT.

>> COULD YOU ALSO EXPLAIN IN GENERAL HOW DO TO THE WORKFLOWS IF THERE'S ANY ITEM REQUIRED FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS THAT HAS BEEN MISSING, WHO REVIEWS THAT? WHAT HAPPENS? AND JUST CAPITALIZE ON THE EFFICIENCY THAT THIS PRODUCES.

>> YES. SO. I'M GOING TO USE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE I'M MORE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS. WHEN A NEW PROJECT COMES IN FOR BUILDING PERMIT IT FIRST GOES TO THE PERMIT TEXT OF THE PROJECT MANAGERS. THEY CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THEY OPEN UP THE PLANS ON THE FILES AND THEY TAKE A LOOK AT ALL THE FILES AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SEND IT RIGHT BACK TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY ARE MISSING ANY INFORMATION THAT'S THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT IS NEEDED. THERE IS NO CHARGE OR ANYTHING IF THEY ARE MISSING ANY DOCUMENTATION, THEY ARE ABLE TO RESUBMIT OR SUBMIT ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTS AND ONCE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING WITHOUT HAVING AN ACTUAL CERTIFIED PLAN REVIEWER LOOK AT IT, ONCE THEY HAVE EVERYTHING THAT LOOKS LIKE WHAT THEY NEED THEN IT CAN GO INTERVIEW AFTER THE APPROPRIATE FEES, IF ANY,

ARE APPLIED. >> HOW DO YOU GET IN TOUCH WITH THEM? HOW SOON DO YOU GET IN TOUCH IF THEY NEED SOMETHING

MORE? >> AS SOON AS IT IS REVIEWED AND THEY CALL HIM COMPLETE IS THE REVIEW STATUS. AS SOON AS THAT IS DONE AND EMAIL GOES TO THE APPLICANT AND THEY ARE ALSO ABLE TO SEE THAT. SO, THEY CAN GO AND LOOK OR THEY GET SENT WITH THE LIST OF WHAT'S OUTSTANDING OR WHAT'S NEEDED.

>> SO, OVERALL, THIS HAS PROVED TO BE EFFICIENT FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. IT'S APPROVED TO BE EFFICIENT FOR THE PEOPLE USING

THIS. >> I MEAN, I THINK SO. I THINK THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND PLANNING WOULD BE ABLE TO BETTER ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS BUT I DEFINITELY THINK IT'S MORE HELPFUL TO HAVE IT ELECTRONICALLY AND HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT METHODS. IF THEY DON'T GET THE EMAIL OR THEY DON'T SEE THE EMAIL OR THEY LOSE THE EMAIL THERE ABLE TO GO ON TO THE PORTAL AND FIND OUT WHAT'S OUTSTANDING VERSUS

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>> RIGHT. IT'S 24/7 AND HERE COMES SOMEBODY TO TELL ME MORE,

I THINK. MR. THOMAS? >> META-MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT THE PRESENTATION THAT'S HERE BECAUSE CERTAINLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS IS DIFFERENT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE FINISHED AND THEN WE CAN PROCEED, IF THAT'S OKAY.

>> HAVE YOU FINISHED? >> FOR THE EPL? YES.

>> OKAY. GO AHEAD. >> SO. I'M GOING TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. FIRST I WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE REALIZES OR UNDERSTANDS THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT , MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, WAS TASKED WITH SHEPHERDING THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

TYPICALLY, WHEN YOU GO TO ANY OTHER CITY, WHEN YOU COME IN WITH YOUR BUILDING PERMIT, YOU GO TO THE FIRE DISTRICT ON YOUR OWN. YOU GET YOUR APPROVAL. YOU GO TO PLANNING AND ZONING, YOU GET YOUR APPROVAL. YOU GO TO ENGINEERING, YOU GET YOUR APPROVAL. WHEN YOU HAVE ALL YOUR APPROVALS YOU COME TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S WHERE THE LAST STOP ON THE TRAIN. FORT PIERCE CITY COMMISSION YEARS AGO, DECADES AGO, DECIDED AS A SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC THAT THEY WANTED THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO TAKE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SHEPHERDING THE PERMITS THROUGH THE PROCESS. A PERSON WHO MAKES AN APPLICATION IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE COMES TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE CHECK IT AND ROUTE IT TO PERTINENT DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AND OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT.

SO, WE WILL CALL IT A ROLLS-ROYCE. WE WILL CALL IT A MERCEDES AS FAR AS CONVENIENCE FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS IS A VERY, VERY CONVENIENT SYSTEM FOR THE PUBLIC. SECONDARILY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY FOR YEARS , THEIR NUMBER ONE REQUEST HAS BEEN WHEN IS THE CITY GOING TO COME ONLINE WITH AN ELECTRONIC PERMITTING SYSTEM. THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE REQUEST.

SEVEN YEARS AGO, WE TRIED TO IMPLEMENT A DIFFERENT SYSTEM THAT WAS CALLED PROJECT DOCS AND WE COULD NOT GET PAST THE GLITCH CYCLE. WE HAVE BEEN IN LIMBO HERE FOR SEVEN YEARS AND FINALLY, THE DAY HAS COME. NOW WE HAVE TYLER. YOU CAN HEAR ALL THE COMPLAINTS, RIGHT? I HAVE TO PREFACE THIS.

>> I HAVEN'T HEARD THEM LATELY. I WILL SAY THAT.

>> THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE HAS BEEN WANTING. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO START OFF. AS FAR AS HOW WELL WE'VE DONE WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE TYLER AND THE INTRIGUE OF SYSTEM I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. I WOULD SAY THAT OUR IMPLEMENTATION HAS BEEN, IF YOU COULD READ IT, 90 TO 95% SUCCESSFUL AND THE REASON WHY I CAN SAY THAT IS BECAUSE ST.

LUCIE COUNTY , ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, THEY ALREADY STARTED USING . ALL THE CONTRACTORS AND A LOT OF THE MEMBERS , IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY. SO, THEY BASICALLY WERE ALREADY FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO USE INTER-GOLF. WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED FOR OUR PERMITTING PROCESS HERE, WE OPENED UP THE DOORS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND SAID ANYONE SWEARS ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU NEED TRAINING, IF YOU NEED ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN COME AFTER HOURS AND WE WILL TRAIN YOU AND GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM AND NOT ONE PERSON, NOT ONE CONTRACTOR, NOT ONE DEVELOPER HAS TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE SYSTEM BECAUSE MOST OF THE LOCAL CONTRACTORS, THEY ARE ALREADY UTILIZING IT BECAUSE THEY DID ALREADY THROUGH THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY. IT'S VERY GOOD THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY USING THE SYSTEM. HAVING SAID THAT, THERE ARE PINCH POINTS, RIGHT? OBVIOUSLY THERE IS PINCH POINTS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN COMPLAINTS FROM FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS WHEN IT COMES TO REVISIONS. AS WAS MENTIONED HERE AND IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR DASHBOARD HERE AND YOU SEE 161 REVIEWS , SO, YEARS AGO, WELL, BEFORE WE GO TO REVISIONS, WE WILL SAY THE PROCESS AS A WHOLE, RIGHT? TYLER AND ANY COMPUTER SYSTEM IS GOING TO HAVE LIMITATIONS THAT HUMANS DON'T.

WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR SYSTEM WITH PAPER WE REALIZED A LONG TIME AGO THAT THE ONLY WAY TO HAVE SUCCESSFUL BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND TO SATISFY HER DEVELOPMENT COMMUNIT IS TO SPLIT THE STREAM. THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT FUNCTION DATE ORDER. IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY WANT TO BUILD A WALMART SUPERCENTER AND THEY HAVE A STACK OF PLANS IS BIG AND IT COMES ON JULY 1ST AND THEN JULY 2ND YOU GET AN AC CHANGE OUT OR YOU GET A ROOF PERMIT AND YOU SAY WAIT A MINUTE, THIS ONE CAME IN FIRST.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU A MONTH TO DO THIS ONE. THE GUY WHO'S DOING THE SMALLER PERMITS, THEY CANNOT WAIT. IT JUST DOES NOT

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EVERYTHING AUTOMATICALLY GOES DATE ORDER WE DID BEFORE AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE REVIEW BOX WITH 161 IT DOES NOT TELL YOU, HEY, THIS IS A SMALL ONE. IT DOESN'T TELL YOU THAT THIS IS AN AC CHANGE OUT OR THIS IS A LARGE REVIEW. IT DOESN'T TELL YOU THIS IS A REVISION THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN YOUR JUST WAITING TO TAKE THIS ONE AND CHECK IT OFF. THE PLAN REVIEWER HAS TO GO ONE BY ONE BY ONE SO THIS HAS CREATED A CONSIDERABLE LAG. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THESE THINGS. THESE ARE FRUSTRATIONS. WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC IS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. WHERE TRYING TO GET INVOLVED MANUALLY AND SEE HOW WE CAN MODIFY THE SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO CORRECT THAT. EVEN THOUGH THE SYSTEM IS LIMITATIONS THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE FOR THE PUBLIC. WE ARE WORKING TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN GET BACK TO THE WAY IT USED TO BE. THAT'S ONE OF THE PINCH POINTS. THE SECOND HINGE POINT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AS TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. WITH TYLER YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS. WHEN YOU AND YOUR PLANS, KRISTI SHOWED YOU THE DASHBOARD. HERE'S WHERE YOU ENTER INFORMATION INTO THE SYSTEM. LET'S SAY I HAVE A WALMART SUPERCENTER. I'VE GOT 30 PAGES OR 50 PAGES OR HUNDRED PAGES OF PLANS. IT'S VERY EASY FOR ME TO SAY, OKAY, I WANT TO UPLOAD THAT ONE DOCUMENT. YOU'VE GOT 100 PLANS, 100 PAGES AND IT GOES IN AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

THE CHALLENGES AS YOU GET YOUR REVIEWS, AND THEN YOU HAVE REVISIONS OR CORRECTIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. IF YOU SUBMIT THAT IS ONE BLOCK, WHENEVER YOU SUBMIT REVISIONS, YOU HAVE TO REVISE THE ENTIRE BLOCK BECAUSE THE SYSTEM ERASES THE OLDER INFORMATION AND IT USES THE MOST MODERN OR NEWER INPUTS . SO, HAVE COME TO REALIZE, MAN, I GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS FROM OUR DESIGN PROFESSIONALS THAT THAT'S TOO MUCH. THAT'S TOO COSTLY. BUT WE ARE ENCOURAGING OUR DESIGN COMMUNITY TO DO IS BREAK IT DOWN INTO THE DIFFERENT SEGMENTS. YOU HAVE FOUR SEGMENTS. YOU HAVE STRUCTURAL, MECHANICAL, WHICH IS YOUR AC, ELECTRICAL AND PLUMBING. IF YOU CAN BREAK THOSE DOWN INTO THE COMPONENT AREAS WHEN YOU SUBMIT A REVISION YOU JUST HAVE TO UPDATE HERE'S MY ELECTRICAL REVISION. HERE'S THE CHANGES BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUBMIT ALL 100 PAGES AGAIN. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE COMING TO OUR ATTENTION AND, AS THEY DO, WE ARE DILIGENTLY WORKING TO TRY TO GET SATISFACTORY ANSWERS TO THE PUBLIC. WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, HOW DO WE WORK THROUGH GLITCHES? WE'VE ACTUALLY GONE THROUGH OUR FIRST, I CALLED A GLITCH CYCLE. GLITCH IS TYPICALLY A COMPUTER GLITCH. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE MAXIMIZE FUNCTION? IF WE GET A COMPLAINT FROM THE PUBLIC WE TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. IT'S NOT A SIMPLE THING FOR US. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SYSTEM WORKS ACCORDING TO THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PUBLIC THAT IT IS AS SIMPLE AS IT CAN BE. HAVING SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NOTHING PERFECT, RIGHT? THERE IS NO COMPUTER SYSTEM THAT IS PERFECT.

BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO ELIMINATE AS MANY OF THE FRUSTRATIONS AS WE CAN AND WE ARE WORKING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TO TRY TO COME TO THESE CONCLUSIONS AND TRY TO COME TO THE RESOLUTIONS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED FOR THE QUALITY OF SERVICE THAT OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES AND THAT'S HOW WE SEE IT. THE COMMUNITY DESERVES THE BEST. SO, WE HAVE A NEW SYSTEM. THIS IS WHAT IS REQUESTED. IF THERE ARE FRUSTRATIONS, HOW CAN WE MAKE IT BETTER? BECAUSE WE WANT FOR PEERS TO GROW AND IF IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE, IT'S LIKE OUR SCHOOL, WHAT IS THAT THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT SAID? THERE'S COMPETITION. THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO SAY LET'S INTRODUCE COMPETITION INTO THE ARENA. IF THEY SAY IT'S TOO MUCH AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THERE CAN HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. WE ARE DEDICATED AND COMMITTED TO MAKING SURE THIS IS FUNCTIONAL AND AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO SAY IN REGARDS TO WHAT THE COMMISSIONER HAD SAID EARLIER, I KNOW I HAD ONE EXPERIENCE OR SOMEBODY WAS FRUSTRATED WITH THE SYSTEM AND YOUR STAFF TOOK THE TIME TO SIT WITH THEM AT THE KIOSK AT THE BUILDING

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COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, GO AHEAD. >> TWO QUESTIONS. WHAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR A CONTRACTOR OR AN END-USER TO PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK TO USE AND WE MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN A PUBLIC MEETING. TELL US WHAT THE BEST AVENUE IS TO PROVIDE THIS TYPE OF FEEDBACK.

>> YES. THERE TWO WAYS. THE BEST WAY IS TO SUBMIT A RESPONSE IN WRITING. ANY INFORMATION THAT WE GET TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN WRITING WE DO AN INVESTIGATION AND WHETHER THAT'S A COMPLAINT ABOUT SERVICE, IF IT'S A COMPLAINT ABOUT AN INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEE, IF IT'S A COMPLAINT ABOUT A COMPUTER SYSTEM, IF IT'S IN WRITING, WE DO A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION. EVERY EMAIL THAT YOU GET AT THE BOTTOM SAYS RADAR SERVICE, HOW ARE WE DOING? THERE'S A SURVEY THAT YOU CAN TAKE AND AS PART OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE INITIATIVE THAT WE ARE CONTINUING TO DEVELOP AND THE ACCREDITATION PROCESS WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS THAT WHICH ESTABLISHES STANDARDS FOR EVERY SERVICE THAT WE RENDER. HERE'S THE STANDARD AND THEN WE CAN MAINTAIN THE STANDARD. WE ARE MOVING TOWARDS THAT. RIGHT NOW, IF AN INDIVIDUAL HAS A COMPLAINT, PUT IN WRITING.

ADDRESS IT TO ME. ADDRESS IT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. IT WILL

BE ADDRESSED. >> FOR YOU.

>> HOWEVER. IF IT'S IN WRITING AND IT COMES TO US, WE WILL

ADDRESS IT. HOWEVER. >> OH. I KNOW. I KNOW. I'M AN

OFFICIAL CHANNEL. >> SECOND. TALK TO ME ABOUT OTHER AGENCIES . ARE THEY PROVIDING FEEDBACK? WHAT'S THE INTERACTION SPECIFICALLY WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY HAVE TO REVIEW SOME OF THE PLANS AS WELL. ARE THERE ABLE TO SEE THE PLANS AND MAKE THAT INTERACTION MORE EFFICIENT?

>> META-MAYOR, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, THAT THE HOT BUTTON TOPIC RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME FIREWALL ISSUES BETWEEN

OUR SYSTEM AND THE COUNTY. >> WE GOT THOSE RESOLVED.

>> WONDERFUL. >> NOT THAT OFF YOUR LIST.

>> WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THESE THINGS. WHEN AN APPLICATION WILL COME THROUGH AND IT WILL GO TO THE FIRE DISTRICT THERE WERE CHALLENGES AND ONCE IDENTIFIED THEM WE REALLY DO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THEM. WE RECEIVED A LETTER RECENTLY FROM THE FIRE DISTRICT ABOUT, IT'S A TIMING ISSUE. SO, THEY ASKED IF WE COULD MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT TO OUR SYSTEM AND OUR PROCEDURE AND PROCESS AND WE DID, RIGHT? SEAN WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT AS A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT AS FAR AS THE DETAILS OF IT BUT ANYONE OF OUR DEPARTMENTS FOR INSTANCE WE WORK WITH THE FORT PIERCE UTILITIES WHICH IS AN OUTSIDE AGENCY. THEY ARE NOT WITHIN THE ACTUAL CITY OF FORT PIERCE DEPARTMENT STRUCTURE. WHATEVER THEY NEED, RIGHT? WHATEVER THE FIRE DISTRICT NEEDS. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. THERE IS NO WAY THAT ANY OF US CAN ACT INDEPENDENTLY. SO, WE WORK TOGETHER AND WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE MAKE THE SYSTEM FUNCTIONAL FOR EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS WELL AS FOR THE

REVIEW DEPARTMENTS. >> IF I COULD INTERJECT A LITTLE BIT. JUST FOR INFORMATION THE WAY THE SYSTEM WORKS WHICH WAS NIGHT AND DAY FROM OUR PREVIOUS SYSTEM THE FIRE DISTRICT, AND THERE'S ACTUALLY OTHER CONTRACTORS WHO ACTUALLY HAVE CREDENTIALS AND THEY LONG IT -- LOG INTO THE SYSTEM. IT'S SEAMLESS. IT'S INTEGRATED AND IT'S A LIVE PLATFORM. AS PAUL STATED, YOU KNOW, THERE HAS BEEN FIREWALL ISSUES. I THINK SOME OF YOU GUYS EXPERIENCED IT ALSO. THAT SECURITY BETWEEN AGENCIES AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING OUT AND HAVE WORKED OUT TO SOME DEGREE. THE SEAMLESS INTEGRATION IS PARAMOUNT AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT AND IT REFLECTS IN THE

SERVICE MODEL. >> THE FIRE DISTRICT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY BROUGHT UP TO ME. WORKING IN THIS INDUSTRY, ONE OTHER GENERAL QUESTION SINCE HER APPEAR, MAY BE SHAKEN HELP WITH THAT TOO, DURING THIS ENTIRE PROCESS , I SEE THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW ALL OF OUR PROCESSES AND WHAT WE ARE REQUIRING OF CONTRACTORS AND INDIVIDUALS WERE PULLING PERMITS IT HAS THERE BEEN AN EMPHASIS OR FOCUS AND HAS ANYTHING COME OUT OF IT WHERE WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO

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THINGS LIKE THAT. >> META-MAYOR, COMMISSIONER, THE ANSWER TO THAT IS YES. BECAUSE AS WE HEAR THE NEEDS AND THE COMPLAINTS OF THE PUBLIC WE ACTUALLY REALLY DO LOOK AND SEE, WELL, I MEAN, IS THIS LEGITIMATE? HOW CAN WE SIMPLIFY? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RECENTLY CAME TO OUR ATTENTION IS THAT WHEN A PERSON SUBMITS THEIR PLANS FOR REVIEW OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT WAS CHARGING TO HAVE THEM WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE REVISIONS TO THOSE COMMENTS AND THERE WAS SOME COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT AND WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT IT RECENTLY AND SAID, WELL, IN THE PAST, IF YOU HAD 100 PAGES OF PLANS AND YOU HAD TO GET REVISIONS AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRICAL MECHANICAL PLUMBING THAT SOMEONE HAD TO BREAK THE STAPLES AND INSERT PAGES AND VOID OUT PAGES AND THERE WAS A LOT OF MANUAL WORK THAT WAS RELATED. THERE WAS A FEE ASSESSED TO COVER THOSE COSTS. IF EVERYTHING IS ELECTRONIC THOSE FEES ARE ANTIQUATED AND A FEE SCHEDULE CHANGE IS GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU AS THE COMMISSION BUT EVERY STEP OF THE PROCESS IS BEING EVALUATED TO SEE IF WE CAN SIMPLIFY AND MAKE IT MORE

PRACTICAL. >> COMMISSIONER, IF I COULD ADD, THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD AND LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR ORDINANCES FROM PROCUREMENT DOWN TO ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THIS IS FORCING US TO MODERNIZE EVERYTHING. YOU KNOW, FUNNY BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ONE OF OUR USER ACCEPTANCE LICENSE FOR TECHNOLOGY IT SAYS BECAUSE WE HAD -- BACK THEN. SO, WE ARE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING ACROSS THE BOARD AND UPDATING AND BRINGING EVERYTHING TO SPEED. THIS IS A CATALYST THAT IS FORCING THE BROAD OVERARCHING BIT TO EVERY DIVISION, EVERY DEPARTMENT. ALL OPERATIONS INTERNAL.

>> THAT'S EXCITING. >> A DIRECT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. COMMISSIONER ALSO HAD THE SAME CONCERN AND IT COMES TO THE PUBLIC, IT'S CORRECT THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, THE CONTRACTORS SEEM TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH TYLER. IT'S THE MOM-AND-POP'S THAT REALLY HAVE THE CHALLENGES AND IF YOU SAY HERE THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE TECH SAVVY AND THAT AREN'T TECH SAVVY THAT'S ABSOLUTELY TRUE BUT THAT'S IF YOU SPEAK ENGLISH. WHAT IF YOU DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH ? WHAT IF YOU SPEAK SPANISH ARE YOU SPEAK REAL . THAT'S COMPLICATED EVEN MORE.

WE HAVE TAKEN THOSE CONCERNS AND CONSIDERATIONS THAT IF AN INDIVIDUAL COMES TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT YOU MUST SUBMIT ELECTRONICALLY. YOU DON'T HAVE THE OPTION. BUT WE BUILT IT ALREADY INTO OUR FEE SCHEDULE A CONVENIENCE FEE SO THAT, HEY, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS. OKAY, WELL, THERE'S A CONVENIENCE FEE AND THEN WE SCAN YOUR PLANS AND WE MAKE SURE THIS IS A SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC THAT ALLOWS EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO FUNCTION BASED OFF OF THEIR NEEDS.

>> YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ASK?

>> I DO. ONE QUICK QUESTION AND MAYBE STAFF, WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PROJECT OVERVIEW WHERE WE ARE IN THE PHASE AND NOW WE'VE GOTTEN SOME FEEDBACK. OVERALL HAVE WE DONE AN ASSESSMENT? WHAT'S OUR TOTAL ADOPTION OR IMPLEMENTATION ? ARE WE 100% WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE YES?

>> CLOSING UP THE LAST PHASE. >> OKAY. I THINK WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE NEED SOME EARLY EVALUATION AND TRYING TO QUANTIFY SOME OF THIS IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER AS FAR AS OVERALL SATISFACTION. WE MADE A HUGE INVESTMENT IN THIS WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND FROM THE INTERNAL POINT I THINK WE NEED TO QUANTIFY THE SATISFACTION LEVEL AND ALSO TRY TO QUANTIFY WHAT THOSE AREAS OF CONCERN ARE AND GET THAT BACK TO OUR VENDOR TO ADDRESS THIS BECAUSE AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE MADE AN INVESTMENT BUT TECHNOLOGY CHANGES EVERY DAY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CONTRACT PHASES BUT I WANT TO KNOW THAT AS WE GET CLOSER TO THAT, RIGHT? THE REASON WE GOT INTO THIS IS WE WERE IN A SYSTEM AND WE WERE GETTING CUSTOMER SUPPORT. THEY PHASED IT OUT. WE MADE A HUGE INVESTMENT IN THIS. IT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND ALONG THE WAY HOW YOU ARE FEELING, IS IT SATISFACTORY? IS IT WORKING? WE NEED TO MAKE THOSE PREPARATIONS FOR WHATEVER THAT DAY IS THAT WE ARE MOVING

TOWARDS. >> YES, SIR. MOST DEFINITELY.

THERE IS A LOT OF LAYERS TO THAT. IT'S BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM. IT'S BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM AS I STATED A COUPLE MEETINGS AGO, TYPICALLY IN OCTOBER YOU HAVE 12 TO 18 MONTHS

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CAN FIX THIS IS WHAT WE CAN'T. >> BUT I WOULD SAY WE CAN STILL LEARN ALONG THE WAY. IF PEOPLE ARE AUTOMATICALLY DISSATISFIED IT MAY TRIGGER THEM THAT THEY WEREN'T TRAINED APPROPRIATELY.

THERE ARE PHASES TO SURVEYING, RIGHT? AND ALL I'M SAYING, I WANT STAFF ON THIS. I WANT TO KNOW IF OUR CUSTOMER PEOPLE WE BOUGHT THIS PROJECT FROM WILL HAVE SURVEY TOOLS THAT YOU WILL BEGIN TO FEED OUT TO THESE DEPARTMENTS TO GET A PULSE AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE SYSTEM. I ASK STAFF TO BE CANDID AND LET THEM KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW THIS. WE PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE SYSTEM AND I WANT TO GET THE FEEDBACK TOO.

>> ARE DISTRICT WENT TO TYLER TOO. MR. BRODRICK?

>> REAL QUICK. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S COMMENTARY ABOUT THE FEEDBACK VARIED AS A CONSUMER OF THE SERVICE, WE BUY A LOT OF PRODUCTS FOR OUR PORTFOLIO REAL ESTATE AND WE NEED PERMITS, AS YOU'RE MENTIONING EARLIER, FOR CONDENSED CHANGE ON OR SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE. WE WERE BEING QUEUED UP 50TH IN LINE TO TRY TO GET A PERMIT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS.

WE HAVE NOW SEEN THAT PROBLEM RESOLVED. AND DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY, BUT THE CONSUMPTION IN THE COMMUNITY , I WAS TALKING THE PERMIT, I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THIS 1000 TIMES, AND, CANDIDLY, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY IF THIS WAS THE RESPONSE BUT I'VE SEEN A WHOLESALE CHANGE IN THAT TRAJECTORY BECAUSE NOW THE STUFF IS GETTING TURNED AROUND QUICKLY. SECONDARILY TO THAT I'VE BEEN CONTACTED . HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE SYSTEM AND OF COURSE, THEY BLAME THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. IT'S LIKE MAYBE YOUR PLANS ARE RIGHT. THAT'S A DISCUSSION FOR ANOTHER DAY. HOWEVER, THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE HERE IS EVERY TIME I'VE SUBMITTED THROUGH STAFF AND INTEGRATE TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS RESPONDED INSTANTLY AND IF THE CLIENT OR THE APPLICANT IS CORRECT, THEY DEAL WITH IT. IF THEY'RE INCORRECT, THEY ENLIGHTEN THEM AS TO WHY THEY ARE NOT CORRECT.

SO, I'VE HAD A VERY POSITIVE RESPONSE IN THE CONSTRUCTION AND LANDLORD INDUSTRY THAT IT HAS GOTTEN SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER OVER TIME AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE SURVEYS THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO , YOU KNOW, VETTING THAT INFORMATION OUT THAT THAT CONSUMER SIDE OF IT, WE'VE HAD A GOOD EXPERIENCE AS OF LATE.

>> META-MAYOR, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I JUST REALLY CANNOT SAY THIS ENOUGH , THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE PERMITTING PROCESS, WE ARE COMPLETELY COMMITTED TO CUSTOMER SERVICE AND, SO, IT IS NOT OFFENSIVE WHEN PEOPLE MAKE COMPLAINTS. AND I'VE SAID THIS TO MANY OF YOU AS COMMISSIONERS.

IF WE ARE WRONG, WE ARE WRONG, RIGHT? I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO COME UP WITH AN EXCUSE. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T CORRECTLY, WE WILL IMPROVE AND I'M GOING TO SAM SORRY. BUT IF WE ARE NOT WRONG, OR JUST GOING TO TRY TO HELP YOU BECAUSE THIS ISN'T PUNITIVE, RIGHT? THIS ISN'T PUNITIVE.

THIS ISN'T A COURT OF LAW. YOU PAID FOR PERMIT. WE WANT YOU TO HAVE SUCCESS IN YOUR PROJECT. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T. IF THERE'S ANY CHALLENGES IN BETWEEN OUR DESIRE AND THE DESIRE OF THE PUBLIC, WE JUST WANT TO RESOLVE IT AND WE

ARE COMMITTED TO THAT. >> ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT. THIS IS FOR THE PUBLIC CONSUMPTION MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. YOU'RE GOING TO GO OUT THERE AND DO NON-PERMITTED WORK, AT SOME POINT IN TIME, THAT IS GOING TO COME HOME TO ROOST.

>> RIGHT. >> TRUST ME. I KNOW. OKAY? I KNOW SPECIFICALLY. SO, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IN EVERY INSTANCE THERE HAS BEEN SOME PUSHBACK OR INPUT HEY, THIS ISN'T RIGHT, ET CETERA. I'VE NEVER ONCE COME ACROSS A SITUATION WHERE THE BILLING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WRONG. JUST SAYING. SO, HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. YOUR ON TASK. YOU'RE ON POINT. CONTINUE ON IN THAT

FASHION AND WE WILL BE OKAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE BELIEVE IN YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. HAVE A COUPLE OF MORE SIDES? WE NEED TO MOVE ON.

>> I WILL QUICKLY GO THROUGH THE REST. OKAY, SO, PHASE THREE OF OUR ERP PROJECT INVOLVED THE LAUNCH OF THE HUMAN RESOURCES MODULE WHICH CAME WITH A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CHALLENGES. A MAJOR HURDLE WAS THE TEAM RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS PHASE AT THE TIME ONLY INCLUDED ONE REMAINING MEMBER OF THE

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IT'S BEEN OVER A YEAR SINCE GO LIVE AND WE HAVE ESTABLISHED A VIABLE HR TEAM THAT WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH TO RELAUNCH VARIOUS ASPECTS OF THE HR PLATFORM. RECENTLY WE LAUNCHED THE RECRUITMENT MODULE AND MOST RECENTLY EMPLOYEE ACCESS. WE STILL HAVE A WAY TO GO BEFORE THE HRM MODULES FULLY LAUNCHED WE'VE REMAINED OPTIMISTIC ON OUR PROGRESS. THE CHALLENGE NOW IS WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL OF OUR IMPLEMENTATION WITH THE TYLER TEAM. AS A RESULT, WE HAVE BEEN TACKLING THE REMAININ MODULES SYSTEMATICALLY BY LEVERAGING TRAINING SITES, COLLABORATING WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS IN OTHER CITIES AND WORKING TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> WHAT ARE THE REMAINING MODULES?

>> THE REMAINING MODULES FOR HRM ARE ON BOARDING , I HAVE IT IN A

COUPLE OF SLIDES FROM HERE. >> IT'S IN THAT AREA.

>> YES. IT'S ALL IN THE HR MODULE.

>> THAT'S FINE. THAT'S ENOUGH. I DON'T NEED ANY MORE.

>> IN NOVEMBER, MOST RECENTLY WE LAUNCHED OUR ENTERPRISE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLATFORM WHICH IS E I AM. IT'S A CENTRALIZED PLATFORM FOR TRACKING ASSET PERFORMANCE, SCHEDULING MAINTENANCE AND MANAGING REPAIR WORK. THIS IS MAINLY OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WORK ORDER SYSTEM. THEY ARE ABLE TO TRACK ASSETS, WORK ORDER MANAGEMENT, PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE, INVENTORY MANAGEMENT AND MOBILE ACCESS WHICH PROVIDES THE FIELD TECHNICIANS WITH ACCESS TO THE DATA. THEY MANAGE WORK ORDERS AND COMPLETE MAINTENANCE ON THE GO. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIVISION MANAGERS. THEY WERE VERY ENTHUSIASTIC AND THEY PLAYED A VERY BIG ROLE IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT PHASE WAS SUCCESSFUL. OKAY? SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACED WHILE LAUNCHING THE ERP PLATFORM WHERE STAFF SHORTAGES, TIME MANAGEMENT CONSTRAINTS, EMPLOYEE TURNOVER AND CONCERNS ABOUT STAFF BURNOUT. TIME MANAGEMENT WAS MANAGED BY PRIORITIZING TASKS, STREAMLINING WORKFLOWS AND UTILIZING THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT RESOURCES. EMPLOYEE TURNOVER WAS TO MAINTAIN CONTINUITY THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS AND TO PREVENT BURNOUT THEY FOSTERED OPEN COMMUNICATION OFFERED FLEXIBLE SCHEDULES AND PROVIDED ONGOING SUPPORT TO EMPLOYEES. THROUGH THESE PROACTIVE SOLUTIONS THE TEAM SUCCESSFULLY NAVIGATED THE CHALLENGES TO ENSURE A SMOOTH LAUNCH FOR EACH PHASE OF THIS PLATFORM. OKAY? AND WE HAVE COME A LONG WAYS BUT WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GO.

WE ANTICIPATE THE LAUNCH OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATION MODULE WHICH MANAGES THE PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS FOR THE LEISURE SERVICES DEPARTMENT OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY, EXPAND PROGRAM OFFERINGS AND INCREASE ENROLLMENT. WITH THIS SOLUTION, REGISTRATION, MEMBERSHIPS FEE PROCESSING AND FACILITY SCHEDULING WILL OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY WHILE EXPANDING CITIZEN SERVICES ONLINE. MY CIVIC APP IS A COMPREHENSIVE CUSTOMIZABLE MOBILE APP PLATFORM BUILT TO CONNECT THE GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS WITH RESIDENTS, VISITORS AND BUSINESS OWNERS ALLOWING COMMUNICATION IN REAL-TIME. DATA INSIGHTS IS A CONFIGURABLE TOOL THAT WILL ENABLE US TO HIM MONITOR KEY METRICS, FILTER AND DRILL DOWN INTO DATA AND SHARE INSIGHTS ACROSS DEPARTMENTS. ENTERPRISE SERVICE REQUEST HELPS IMPROVE EFFICIENCY AND COMMUNICATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY, MAKING IT EASIER FOR STAFF TO COLLABORATE AND ADDRESS ISSUES AND REQUEST FROM CITIZENS EFFECTIVELY. DECISION ENGINE IS A COMPREHENSIVE AND ASSISTIVE DIGITAL PERMITTING AND LICENSING WIZARD THAT ALLOWS CITIZENS AND CONTRACTORS TO NAVIGATE ONLINE AND ROUTES APPLICANTS TO THE CORRECT INFORMATION BASED ON A SERIES OF QUESTIONS AND THE RELAUNCH OF OUR HR MODULES. WE PLAN ON SYSTEMATICALLY ROLLING OUT ON BOARDING TALENT MANAGEMENT ATTENDANCE AND LEAVE AND TRAINING AND DEVELOPMENT. ALONG WITH THE LAUNCH OF THE NEW PLATFORMS OUR TEAM REMAINS COMMITTED TO THE CONTINUANCE ENHANCEMENTS OF ALL MODULES WITHIN OUR SYSTEM. WE MAINTAIN STRONG FOCUS ON ONGOING TRAINING, ADDRESSING ANY OUTSTANDING ISSUES EACH PHASE AND PROVIDE ONGOING SUPPORT TO STAFF AS THEY NAVIGATE THE LEARNING CURVE OF A NEW SYSTEM. AND THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT WAS QUITE THE PRESENTATION. IT'S STILL QUITE A PROJECT. RIGHT? ANYBODY ELSE ON THE SUBJECT?

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>> JUST A QUICK QUESTION, MATT AMIR. EARLY ON, IS THERE A SUMMATION THAT WE WOULD GET ON DASHBOARD THAT A COMMISSION WOULD GET FROM A VERY HIGH LEVEL JUST CRITICAL AREAS EITHER RED, GREEN OR YELLOW, CRITICAL AREAS .

>> YES, SIR. MOST DEFINITELY. THAT'S WHAT YOU REFERRED TO AS FINANCIAL INSIGHTS. TOP-DOWN KEY METRICS ON PROJECTS AND A LITTLE

BIT MORE BUT >> THAT'S THE PHASE THAT WE WILL HAVE THAT WAS I CALLED AGAIN?

>> DATA AND INSIGHTS. THAT'S COMING IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.

WE WILL BE ABLE TO LAUNCH THIS YEAR.

>> OKAY. THANKS. >> YES, SIR.

>> YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME DATA.

>> WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR. WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS CUT DOWN ON THE SHORT RUNWAYS WE GET. THE LONGER WE CAN LOOK AT THINGS AND SEE CHALLENGES COMING THE BETTER WE CAN PLAN FOR STUFF OR TRY TO,

AT LEAST. >> YES, SIR. IT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPES. IN CLOSING, THIS PROJECT, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMPREHENSIVE IT IS AND HOW AGGRESSIVE OUR TIME SCHEDULE WAS AND MS. CRUZ WAS THE ONLY P.M. UP UNTIL LAST YEAR AND WE HAD IT. TALKING ABOUT FIVE YEARS WITH ONE PERSON MOVING AN ENTIRE ENTERPRISE PROJECT FORWARD AS THE P.M. WORKING WITH THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS AND THE INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE FUNCTION LEADS AND THE VENDOR IN CREATING THESE WORKFLOWS. IT'S BEEN AN INSURMOUNTABLE TASK AND WE HOSTED OUR FIRST LEARNING SESSION WHERE THEY HOSTED A HEARING IN FORT PIERCE. THAT 3040 PEOPLE COME FROM ACROSS THE STATE AND THEY SAID YOU GUYS ARE CRAZY. WE HAVE NINE, 12 PEOPLE AND WE ONLY LAUNCHED ONE PHASE AT THE TIME. WE LAUNCHED THE ENTIRE PROJECT WITH ONE PERSON. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE GETTING INTO. THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. BUT WE PULLED IT OFF.

IT'S COMMENDABLE TO THESE YOUNG LADIES AND THE TEAM THAT MADE

THIS HAPPEN. >> FROM ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER, IT WASN'T LIKE SHE WAS NEW TO THE ORGANIZATION. YOU

STOLE HER FROM BUILDING. >> RIGHT.

>> OH. OKAY. I GET IT NOW. THE TRADING WENT ON, HOW?

>> SHE UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESS. IT WAS REALLY A STRATEGIC PLAN.

SHE UNDERSTOOD THE BUILDING PROCESS TO BRING HER INTO BEING ABLE TO SHAPE THESE ON THE TYLER SIDE . YOU COULD NOT HAVE GOT A

BETTER DEAL. >> OKAY.

ALL. THANKS TO THE WHOLE STAFF FOR THAT AND THEY GET TO OUR

[a. Resolution 25-R19 Appointing Daniel Flaherty to the Police Officers Retirement Fund Board of Trustees. ]

>> SO, WE HAVE A FEW RESOLUTIONS APPOINTING COMMITTEE MEMBERS. WE HAVE RESOLUTION 25-R19, RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION CERTIFYING THE APPOINTMENT AND REAPPOINTMENT OF A MEMBER TO THE POLICE OFFICER'S RETIREMENT FUND BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS RESOLUTION APPOINTS DANIEL FLATTERY -- FLATTER D --

>> IS THERE MOTION? >> I MAKE THIS MOTION. MOVED TO

APPROVE 25-R19. >> SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>>

[b. Resolution 25-R20 Appointing Shatell Hypolite to the Fort Pierce Parking Committee as Commissioner Gaines appointee. ]

>> COMMISSIONER GAINS WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND SECOND. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

[c. Resolution 25-R21 Appointing Deborah Thompson to the Sunrise Theater Advisory Board as Commissioner Gaines appointee. ]

>> 25-R21 , RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA CERTIFYING THE APPOINTMENT AND REAPPOINTMENT OF MEMBERS TO THE SUNRISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD AND THIS RESOLUTION APPOINTS DEBORAH THOMPSON AS COMMISSIONER GAINS

IS A POINT -- APPOINTEE. >> MOTION IN A SECOND. CALL THE

ROLL, PLEASE. >>

[a. Presentation of Law Enforcement Impact Fee Study - Discussion and Direction]

>> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION OF THE LAW

ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE STUDY. >> ALL RIGHT. MR. JOHNSON, DO

YOU WANT TO LEAD INTO THIS? >> YES, MA'AM. THE COMMISSION OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE LOOKED AT AREAS OF OPPORTUNITY IN WHICH TO INCREASE OUR ABILITY TO SUPPORT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THE COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT WE LOOK INTO AN IMPACT FEE STUDY WHICH MR. FRIEDMAN IS GOING TO PRESENT TO US TODAY AND I BELIEVE THE DECISION ULTIMATELY IS DO WE PROCEED OR NOT AND AT WHAT PERCENTAGE DO WE

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PROCEED OR NOT? >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER. THANK YOU, MATT AMIR. CITY COMMISSION. SOME TIME AGO , I THINK IT WAS IN 2022, THE CITY DIRECTED STAFF , MANAGER DIRECTED STAFF THEN TO INVESTIGATE A LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE. THIS STUDY WAS CARRIED OUT BY CONSULTANTS WHO UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T THINK CAN BE HERE THIS MORNING .

>> WHO COULD NOT BE HERE? >> OUR CONSULTANT. YES.

>> OKAY. >> SO, I WILL ATTEMPT TO PRESENT THE FINDINGS. THE IMPACT FEES ARE CALCULATED AND LEVIED IN RESPECT OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN THE CITY AS THEY COME IN AND AS THEY GET APPROVED AND THE IMPACT FEES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CALCULATED TO ADDRESS THE CAPITAL COSTS INITIALLY IMPACTING CITY SERVICES ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT AS A RESULT OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO, THE CALCULATION AND ANALYSIS OF IMPACT FEES , SPECIFICALLY IN THIS DIRECTED TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ELEMENT, WE DO NOT HAVE A LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE LEVIED IN THE CITY AT THE MOMENT. WE DO COLLECT THE COUNTY IMPACT FEE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THAT ALL GOES TO THE COUNTY. AS WE GO THROUGH AND WE'VE NOTICED THIS MORN MORE AS WE ARE RUNNING THROUGH DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THROUGH THE TYLER SYSTEM WE GET COMMENTS , THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ABOUT WHAT IMPACT THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE HAVING ON THEIR CAPACITY AND MAYBE THEIR CAPITAL OUTLAY TO PROVIDE SERVICE FOR THE NEW PROJECTS THAT WE ARE GETTING FORWARD. SO, THAT WAS A BIT OF A BACKGROUND HERE. IN SEPTEMBER '22 WE EMBARKED ON THIS WITH A CONSULTANT AND THEN THEY REACHED OUT TO THE CITY STAFF AND WE DID A WHOLE RAFT OF COORDINATED RESPONSES IN TERMS OF DATA AND FINDINGS AND COSTS AND I'VE GOT TO COMMEND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR GETTING INVOLVED WITH THIS BECAUSE IT WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DATA THAT WAS COLLECTED TO ENABLE THIS ANALYSIS AND IT RESULTED IN THIS TECHNICAL STUDY. WE'VE EXPERIENCED A LOT OF GROWTH IN THE CITY AND 400+ RESIDENTIAL PERMITS PER YEAR BEING PULLED BETWEEN '21 AND '23 AND THAT'S ONGOING RIGHT NOW. AS I SAID, THERE IS AN INTEREST FROM CITY STAFF IN DEVELOPING A LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE AND THAT MIGHT BE CARRIED THROUGH TO THE CITY COMMISSION IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ARE FACING IN TERMS OF BUDGET AND IN TERMS OF CAPITAL COST FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AS I ALSO MENTIONED, AND IMPACT FEE IS A ONE-TIME CAPITAL CHARGE TO NEW DEVELOPMENT DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. DEPENDING ON THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT SORT OF IMPACTS ARE LIKELY TO INCUR FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES ACTUALLY HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACTS ON POLICE TIME, POLICE RESOURCES AND POLICE CALLOUTS. THOSE CALLOUTS IMPACT THE CAPITAL REQUIRED CAPITAL COST , EQUIPMENT, BUILDINGS, AND OTHER ISSUES THAT WILL BE LOADED ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT ALSO LOOKS AT HOW YOU IMPORT THE IMPORTANT FEE. IT THEN FREES UP POTENTIALLY COSTS FROM OTHER BUDGET LINE ITEMS THAT WOULD NORMALLY GO TO CAPITAL CAPACITY BUT IMPACT FEES THAN YOU WOULD HAVE THOSE FUNDS RELEASED TO OTHER THINGS, AS YOU SHOULD BE. AND, ALSO, THE IMPACT FEE SHOULD IMPLEMENT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT . SO, WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION EVERY SINGLE BUDGET YEAR AND REHEAR THE SAME ARGUMENT , HOW DO WE MAINTAIN THE CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE AND IN TERMS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT DOES BECOME MORE AND MORE COST LOADED TO MAINTAIN THAT CALCULATED GROWTH. WE HAVE A LOT OF LARGE

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SORRY. WE DON'T HAVE ONE AT THE MOMENT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES BUT THAT WOULD BE THE NEW STATE STATUTE RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES. AS WE ARE DOING A STUDY THIS WAS INITIATED AND COMPLETED BY THE END OF LAST YEAR AND WE HAVE 12 MONTHS TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THAT IMPACT FEE IF IT IS GOING TO BE ADOPTED. SO, THE 12 MONTHS CALCULATES TO AROUND JULY THIS YEAR. SO, THERE'S JUST GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF OTHER MEETINGS AND DECISIONS TO BE MADE BY THE CITY COMMISSION IN TERMS OF MOVING THIS FORWARD. DATA FROM THE LAST FOUR YEARS HAVE BEEN USED, AS IS REQUIRED AND MOVING ON TO THE TECHNICAL STUDY THE CONSULTANT USED A CONSUMPTION-BASED METHODOLOGY .

IT'S COMMON. IT'S USED IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS. IT CHARGES NEW GROWTH BASED ON ITS CONSUMPTION OF CAPACITY. THOSE ARE RATIOS THAT ARE APPLIED DURING CALCULATIONS AND THAT'S CALCULATED AS AN ANOMALY , AND ACCEPTED METHODOLOGY. AND FEES ARE CALCULATED AT A RATE TO GENERATE REVENUE SUFFICIENT ONLY FOR THE GROWTH OF RELATED CAPACITY PROJECTS. THAT IS THE FORMULA . I UNDERSTAND IT AS MUCH AS YOU GUYS DO. IT SEEMS FAIRLY SIMPLE . SO, WE LOOK AT THE COST TO ADD CAPACITY , ELIMINATE THE NON-IMPACT FEE REVENUE FROM FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEN LOOK AT THE DEMAND WHICH IS THE POPULATION AND THOSE ARE PUT TOGETHER AS MULTIPLICATION AND THAT'S HOW THE CONSULTING GETS THEIR NUMBERS. THE TECHNICAL STUDY LOOKED AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT ASPECTS , THE INVENTORY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS AT THE MOMENT, WHOLE SPREADSHEET AND ANALYSIS WAS DONE OF WHAT THE POLICE SERVICE, POLICE DEPARTMENT HOLD THAT INCLUDES VEHICLES, BUILDINGS, LAND AND PROPERTY. WHAT THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD BE, THE SERVICE AREA THAT THEY COVER, COSTS, CREDIT, AND THEN THE IMPACT AND

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AND ALSO THE CONSULTANT UNDERTOOK AN IMPACT FEE COMPARISON THAT CONCLUDED VARIOUS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND JURISDICTIONS SURROUNDING. THE REINFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE CAME OUT WITH AN INVENTORY OF 39,000 SQUARE FEET OF BUILDINGS. NINE ACRES OF LAND, VEHICLES TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION, LOOKING AT COSTS FOR BUILDING SQUARE-FOOT FOR REPLACEMENT STATION, SUBSTATIONS, ET CETERA, SUPPORT BUILDINGS, AND LAND WERE VALUED.

SO, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WAS CALCULATED AT SWORN OFFICERS THOUSANDS RESIDENCE AND THAT CAME OUT USING A FUNCTIONAL POPULATION THAT IS POPULATION IN PLACE MOST OF THE YEAR OF 1.5 .

THE IMPACT COST OF THE RESIDENT WAS CALCULATED USING ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WERE TAKEN BY THE CONSULTANT BUILDING VALUE, LAND VALUE, EQUIPMENT VALUE, VEHICLES, AND THEY WERE APPORTIONED TO FUNCTIONAL POPULATION AND AT THE MOMENT THE IMPACT COST PER FUNCTIONAL RESIDENT IS $329. SO, THAT WAS CALCULATED AND AGAIN, ANOTHER CALCULATION IS BEHIND THE SCENES AND BY THE CONSULTANT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE MANDATED TO LOOK AT THIS AND THAT WOULD BE ANALYZED FURTHER BY THE ADOPTING STATE AGENCY SHOULD THE IMPACT FEE GO THROUGH OR BE APPROVED .

SO, THAT VARIABLE MADE THAT NET IMPACT COST PER FUNCTIONAL RESIDENT DROP SLIGHTLY TO $296. AND FROM THAT THE CONSULTANT RANGED A WHOLE TABLE WITHIN THE IMPACT FEE STUDY . YOU WILL FIND THAT CREATED THE IMPACT RELATED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY ON THE USES IN THAT TABLE AND YOU CAN SEE CERTAIN USES HAVE A HIGHER LIKELY IMPACT ON POLICE DEPARTMENT RESOURCES THAN OTHERS. AND WE END UP WITH A RANGE OF IMPACT FEES CALCULATED FROM THOSE RATIOS. THE CONSULTANT ALSO LOOKED AT NEIGHBORING IMPACT FEE COMPARISONS FOR VARIOUS USES AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WHAT THEY HAVE ARISEN OUT FOR FORT PIERCE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED . VARIOUS USES AND LOOKED AT VARIOUS OTHER MUNICIPALITIES AND ASSESSED COMPARISON BETWEEN WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING FOR FORT PIERCE AND WHAT THEY SAY IS REQUIRED IN TERMS OF MEETING THE COST AND CAPITAL OUTLAYS THAT ARE LIKELY TO BE IMPACTED . THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF WHAT OTHER AGENCIES ARE OUT THERE AND WHAT THEY SHOW. YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST AGENCIES APPLY A 100% RATIO OF THOSE IMPACT FEE NUMBERS. THE COUNTY APPLIES A 40% RATIO OF WHATEVER NUMBERS THEY HAD . SO, THERE IS AN ALLOWANCE THERE AND I THINK WE WILL NEED TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT HOW THE COMMISSION SELECTS WHAT PROPORTION OF THESE CALCULATED NUMBERS ARE APPLIED AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE. THAT'S A DISCUSSION THAT THE COMMISSION WILL NEED TO HAVE AND WE'RE INTENDING TO HAVE A MEETING WHERE WE GO THROUGH SOME MORE DETAIL IN THIS AND THEN FINALIZE THE ADOPTION OF THESE IF THE CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE ADOPTION .

CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING ]

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THESE ARE ALL OUTSIDE THE COUNTY IMPACT FEES, WHICH ARE COUNTED BASED ON THE COPING IMPACT FEE RANGES. SO, WE ARE LOOKING FOR SOME INPUT TODAY ABOUT THE INTENT OF THE CITY COMMISSION IN TERMS OF WHETHER THEY ARE FAVORING AN IMPOSITION OR COLLECTION OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE AND WE WILL BE TAKING THAT TO A WORKSHOP ARENA WHERE WE COULD HAVE CITIZENS BE MADE AWARE OF THAT. SO, TODAY, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR INITIAL THOUGHTS BASED ON WHAT WE'VE HAD, WHAT GIVEN PRESENTED, BUT WE HAVE IN YOUR AGENDA. TO SEE THE APPETITE OF THE CITY COMMISSION IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS IMPACT FEE OR

>> COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> I BELIEVE THIS HIGHLIGHTS OUR CASH FLOW ISSUE. THIS TYPE OF IMPACT FEE IS OBVIOUSLY LEVIED THROUGHOUT COUNTY AND CITY GOVERNMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR AREA. AND, WE ARE NOT. ALL THOSE COSTS ARE COMING OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE AT THE CORNER OF JENKINS AND GRAHAM, WE HAVE 400 UNITS GOING UP UP THERE RIGHT NOW? WE HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT NO FUNDING MECHANISM TO PROVIDE OBESE SUPPORT TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT IS TAKING PLACE. IT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS UNDER EXTREME PRESSURE . SIMPLY PUT, WE HAVE A FUNDING SHORTAGE. WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL AVENUES TO COLLECT REVENUE TO SUPPORT THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE IN THE CITY OF FT.

PIERCE. ONE OF THE PRIMARY ACTIVITIES IS NEW DEVELOPMENT.

THE ONLY WAY WE WILL MEET THOSE DEMANDS FOR CRITICAL SERVICES IS BY COLLECTING SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO PROVIDE EQUIPMENT AND BUILDINGS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE AS IS OUTLINED IN THIS ANALYSIS. I'M A STRONG ADVOCATE OF THIS. I'M NOT SAYING WE WANT TO NECESSARILY COLLECT 100%. BUT, IF WE DON'T, WHERE IS THE SHORTFALL COMING FROM? I DON'T KNOW. EVERY PENNY IN OUR BUDGET IS ACCOUNTED FOR. AND, BY ALL INPUTS I'M RECEIVING, OUR HEAD IS ABOVE WATER RIGHT NOW BUT WE HAVE ISSUES ON THE HORIZON THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AND WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME VERY, VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS AS TO WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH THE NEGATIVE CASH FLOW NUMBERS AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE TAXPAYERS IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE PAY TO PLAY SCENARIOS. YOU WANT TO COME INTO THE CITY AND DO BUSINESS HERE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STEP UP AND PAY WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY DUE TO GET THE SERVICES YOUR PROJECT IS GOING TO REQUIRE WHEN IT COMES OUT OF THE OTHER SIDE. I'VE NEVER ONCE , I'VE BEEN IN THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BUSINESS FOR 40 YEARS, I'VE NEVER ONCE SEEN A DEVELOPMENT TERMINATED BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS THE IMPACT FEES ARE TOO HIGH. IT IS IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF CONDITIONS, IT DOESN'T WORK BECAUSE OF THE WRONG PRODUCT, I'VE NEVER HEARD SOMEONE SAY WE CAN'T BUILD THIS BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT FEES. THAT ARGUMENT DOES NOT FLY WITH ME.

HAVING SAID THAT, I'M GOING TO STRONGLY ADVOCATE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD AND DIRECT DIRECTOR FREEMAN AND HIS TEAM TO GET WITH THE CONSULTANTS TO COME IN WITH SOME SUGGESTIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS TO HOW TO ADOPT THIS AND AT WHAT PRICE POINTS MOVING FORWARD. I FIND IT INTERESTING THE ANALYSIS. CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES, KEVIN? THE ONE YOU JUST HAD. ONE PRIOR TO THAT. PRIOR. IT WAS THE BREAKDOWN OF LIGHT INDUSTRIAL.

YOU LOOK AT THE INTENSITY OF THE TYPE OF COSTS THAT ARE BEING ATTRIBUTED TO EACH TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. WE KEEP STRESSING THE NEED TO ANNEX IN WAR COMMIT TO ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT OF

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>> NOT FROM A TAXPAYER. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO

AVOID. >> I DON'T WANT TO BRING UP THE TOPIC AND SEE IF WE DON'T CURE THIS THE BURDEN WILL BE SHIFTED TO THE TAXPAYER, EVERYONE UP HERE IS A TAXPAYER, EVERYONE WILL BE PAYING HIGHER TAXES AND NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT. THAT IS THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, SITTING RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE TO TAKE IT FROM THE REALITY TO SAY WE NEED TO GENERATE REVENUE AND ANY OTHER FUNCTIONS POSSIBLE OTHER THAN GOING TO THE TAXPAYERS AND SAY SORRY, WE DECIDED NOT TO MAKE THESE DIFFICULT DECISIONS SO I'M GOING TO SHIFT THE BURDEN TO YOU. THAT IS AN UNACCEPTABLE SOLUTION. THIS TYPE OF SCENARIO IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE ON BOARD WITH.

>> WITH THE TAX SYSTEM AS IT IS, YOU CAN'T RECENTLY LOVE TO DO

THAT ANYWAY. >> I AGREE. WE LOOK AT WHAT THE LEGISLATURE IS UP TO YOU, YOU BASICALLY ANNIHILATE THE FUNDING INABILITY THROUGH TAXES. WE NEED TO LOOK AT A MORE USER PAY TO PLAY USER BASED FEE STRUCTURE. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THIS IS.

>> THE LEGISLATURE IS ALWAYS LOOKING AT IMPACT FEES. THAT IS WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT THAT IT IS A JUSTIFIED NUMBER AND A JUSTIFIED FILE. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING

YOU WANT TO SAY ? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY DITTO TO COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. IT PAINS ME TO THINK OF HOW MUCH LOST REVENUE WE'VE HAD BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS PLUMMETED YEARS AGO. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER WAS. BUT, I MEAN, TO YOUR POINT, IT IS, WE ARE NOT EVEN DOING THE MINIMUM EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING. THIS HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING. THIS ISN'T OVER AND ABOVE . WE ARE LEVELING THE PLAYING FIELD. WE ARE COLLECTING THE SAME REVENUE THAT THEY ARE BASED ON THESE PERCENTAGES. THIS FEELS LIKE A NO-BRAINER TO ME. THE QUICKER WE CAN GET THIS

GOING, THE BETTER. >> HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY COME IN AND BEAT ME. STAND RIGHT THERE IS PRESENT TO ME WHY YOU CAN'T JUSTIFY THIS IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT SCHEMA. THAT WOULD BE A FUN CONVERSATION TO HAVE.

>> THEN THEY WILL GO TO TALLAHASSEE.

>> THAT IS FINE. >> THIS WAS BROUGHT UP DURING OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING WE'RE WE'VE HAD SUCH AN INCREASE IN RESIDENCE AND POPULATION AND ALL THAT. OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HASN'T INCREASED COMMENSURATELY WITH THAT. THIS IS A HUGE PROBLEM. THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN MORE POVERTY TO KEEP A LOOK AT, MORE PEOPLE TO LOOK AFTER AND THE FUNDING HASN'T BEEN THERE BEHIND IT. THIS IS A YES FROM ME FOR SURE HOWEVER IT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE ONCE IT GETS TO THE WORKSHOP PHASE.

>> OF THE COMMISSIONERS? ANYONE ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN?

>> MAYO, I JUST CONCUR, AS MUCH AS I HATE THE WORDS OF "IMPACT BE." I HATE RAISING TAXES ON CITIZENS. THAT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO. LOOKING ON THE GRAPH PRESENTED TODAY AND LOOKING AT THE BACKUP INFORMATION, I'M LIKE YOU, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE LOST OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS. IF YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER, TAKE THAT OUT OF MY PACKAGE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE

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IT. >> ERASE IT.

>> ON MINE, JUST BLOCK IT OUT. IT IS TIME FOR US TO START DOING WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BECAUSE GROWTH IS COMING HERE. AND, IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING, AS COMMISSIONER BRODERICK SAID, IF WE DO THOSE MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS , AND JUST GOING TO USE THEM FOR EXAMPLE, SOONER OR LATER THEY ARE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR THIS SERVICE, THEY WILL BE ASKING FOR THAT SERVICE.

AND WE WILL BE IN JEN TO TRY TO PROVIDE IT AND WE WILL GET THE EMAILS AND EVERYTHING AND ALL OF THAT. LET'S GO FORWARD. LET'S SEE WHAT IT IS. I LOOKED AT THE MEMBERS OF THE SURROUNDING NUMBERS OF SURROUNDING CITIES AND COUNTIES. WE ARE NOT THAT FAR OFF. MAYBE A TWEAK HERE AND THERE. ONE THING I'M GOING TO SAY IS THAT I UNDERSTAND THE BUDGET CRUNCH. IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS, I'M GOING TO SAY I WILL BE PUSHING FOR THE 100% GOING TOWARD WHAT WE ARE DOING IT FOR. I DON'T WANT TO START BREAKING IT UP AND SAY PUT THIS 100% TOWARD WHAT WE DO IT FOR AND THEN LOOK AT THE OTHER WAYS THAT WE CAN SAVE MONEY FROM GIVING US 100%. THAT WOULD BE MINE. I WANT TO BE IN AGREEMENT OF THE 40% VARIABLE BASED ON WHATEVER. IF WE ARE GOING TO ASK PEOPLE TO COME IN TO PAY TO PLAY, AS YOU SAID ALL THIS MONEY IS GOING, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

>> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING.

>> IT HAS BEEN SAID. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN I READ THROUGH THE PACKET IS THAT WE GIVE GOOD DIRECTION TO STAFF WITH THIS AND WE HAVE SOME FEEDBACK. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT TO ME WHEN I READ IT IN DETAIL IS OBVIOUSLY THESE FUNDS HAVE TO BE DIRECTLY APPLIED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, RIGHT? WE CAN'T TAKE THIS AND FIND SOMETHING ELSE IN THE CITY. I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE EMPHASIZE THAT. AND, THE SECOND PART, AND CAPITAL. DOING THAT, IT DOES FREE UP OUR GENERAL BUDGET, WHICH WE ARE PAYING A THIRD OF OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW FOR THAT. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AND FORECAST. DID I SEE THAT THEY LOOKED AT AVAILABILITY POSSIBILITIES?

>> I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING IN THERE. I THINK THEY ARE STILL REFINING THAT. THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHERE THE CITY COMMISSION WANTED TO GO WITH THIS, THE ACTUAL I WILL CALL IT REVENUE FOR THE IMPACT FEES ARE DEPENDENT ON THE PROPORTION OF

THOSE ACTUALLY LEVIED. >> THESE WOULD BE NEW GROSS THINGS COMING IN, NEW HOUSES. EVEN IN URBAN INFILL, THE NEW STRUCTURES THAT COME IN, COMMERCIAL AND WHATEVER WOULD BE

UNDER THIS LAW ENFORCEMENT? >> DEPENDING AS WE DO RUN TOTAL CONVICTIONS FOR ALL IMPACT FEES, IF THERE WERE IMPACT FEES PAID PREVIOUSLY ON AND DEVELOPMENT, AND LOT, THEN THERE IS A

PROPORTION IF WAIVED. >> THAT IS PART OF WHERE THE WORKSHOPS COME IN. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP TO MY THINKING. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT BUT THAT IS SOMETHING I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE VITAL TO COMMUNICATION TO OUR CITIZENS THAT ONLY'S PROPERTIES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE CLEARLY COMMUNICATE EXPECTATIONS.

>> I THINK I JUST MISSPOKE BECAUSE LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES HAVE NEVER BEEN APPLIED ON ANY PROPERTY. WE MIGHT HAVE TO.

THIS IS ONE RECOMMENDATION THAT STAFF ARE ALREADY THINKING OF, OR ARE THERE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF RESIDENTIAL BECAUSE WE HAVE THE OTHER HALF OF THE SCALE --

>> WE WAIVED IMPACT FEES . THOSE ARE THE. THIS IS WHAT ENFORCEMENT. WE GOT INTO THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THAT CLIP IS COMING AGAIN VERY HAVE TO TALK TO LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE LAST YEAR, WE WERE SCRAMBLING TRYING TO GET THE MONEY RIGHT FOR OUR STEP PROGRAM AND PROMOTIONS AND PAYING FOR THAT. THIS CAN. I'M FINE WITH IT, I JUST WANT US TO KNOW THAT THAT CONVERSATION, THE DETAILS, AND LOOKING AT THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW THAT SAYS IF A NEW SINGLE-FAMILY 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOME, THEY ARE PROTECTED BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE IS AROUND $530.00, IS THAT CORRECT? IF WE DON'T HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT, IF THERE IS A VACANT SPOT AND SOMEONE BUILT A DWELLING, PARTICULARLY IN THIS CASE, A HOST, THAT WOULD BE THE ENFORCEMENT IMPACT. THAT WOULD BE ON THAT TAX DEED, NOT NECESSARILY ON ERRORS, BECAUSE THE HOUSE IS ALREADY BUILT. MOST

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READ. SO, THAT IS IT FOR ME. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR.

>> IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN THE WORKSHOP ONCE WE GET CLOSER TO THAT. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE WHAT THAT LINE ITEM ACTUALLY IS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET AND KIND OF HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THAT IN THE REAL WORLD, THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY WILL BE FREEING UP BASED ON PREVIOUS HATCHETS OF THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, HOW MUCH THEY ARE ACTUALLY SPENDING ON THESE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND ALL THAT STUFF AND WHAT PERCENTAGE THIS WILL COVER. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT.

>> WE HAVE REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS, YES. I THINK YOU ARE HEARING US LOUD AND CLEAR THAT EVERYBODY WANTS THIS TO GO FURTHER AND GET WORKSHOP AND GIVE IT FURTHER, AND WE DO HAVE AN IMPACT FEE WAIVER IN PLACE FOR THE CRA. THIS WOULD NOT BE AFFECTED OR WOULD BE AFFECTED? OR, WE HAVE TO DECIDE THAT?

>> IF YOU ENGAGE WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE, THAT ORDINANCE WOULD NEED TO BE REFINED.

>> WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THAT ANYWAY.

>> I WOULD CUT THE WORDING OF THAT.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. DID YOU SAY THE IMPACT FEES, BECAUSE OF WHEN WE DID THE STUDY, IF WE WERE GOING TO ADOPT, AND THEY

HAVE TO BE ADOPTED IN JUNE? >> WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMISSION MOVE FORWARD BY JUNE. THEN, WE HAVE 19 DAYS THROUGH THE, 90 DAYS THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHICH GOES OUT FOR COMMENTS AND CONSULTATION, SO FORTH.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT MISSING A DEADLINE IF WE ARE GOING TO DO A FUTURE WORKSHOP.

>> THE DEADLIN RELATES TO THE RECENCY OF THE STUDY. IT HAS TO BE PUT FORWARD TO CITY COMMISSION WITHIN 12 MONTHS.

>> WE CAN WORK THAT OUT. THAT IS PER STATE STATUTE. THE LEGISLATURE IS TRYING TO MESS AROUND WITH IMPACT FEES.

EVERYBODY IS REALLY TIMES AND NOW I THINK OF THE DEADLINE AND THE URGENCY. I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK BACK. WE JUST WANT TO LOOK FORWARD . RIGHT? DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM US, MR. FREEMAN

>> NO THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MR. JOHNSON, ARE YOU CLEAR?

>> I SUGGEST WE HAVE THE CONSULTANT HERE WHEN WE HAVE THE

[b. Follow-up discussion and direction regarding the final contract for Pay to Park Pilot Program with PCI Municipal Services.]

NEXT GO AROUND. >> IT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> MAYBE EVEN ON THE PHONE. >> I WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE

WITH THAT. >> GOOD JOB, THANK YOU, MR.

FREEMAN. >> NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FINAL CONTRACT FOR PAY TO PARK PILOT PROGRAM WITH PCI MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> THIS IS GOING TO COME UP, THIS IS THE PAY TO PARK PROGRAM. I THINK THERE ARE GOING TO BE A COUPLE OF VARIATIONS TO CHOOSE FROM AND THE COMMISSION HAS THE LIBERTY OF AMENDING THOSE OPTIONS AT YOUR WILL.

>> THIS IS ACT THREE OR FOUR OF PAY TO PARK IN FORT PIERCE.

>> GOOD MORNING MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, BEAR WITH ME JUST ONE SECOND. I WANT TO GET THIS UP AND RUNNING. THE CAPE. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS THE PAY TO PARK PILOT PROGRAM UPDATE, WHICH IS A LOT OF . FOR A REVIEW TODAY, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE HAVE, WITH WE WANT TO USE TWO PARKS, THREE PARKS, THE POTENTIAL VALUE BASED ON THAT DECISION . A COMPARISON OF MAINTENANCE FEES, THE EVALUATION PROGRAM AND EDUCATION PROGRAM. WE DO HAVE MR. JACK SKAHAN FROM PCI MUNICIPAL HERE WITH US. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, HE'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. JUST A QUICK

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BASICALLY, WHAT WE LEARNED IS THAT THE CONTRACT FOR THE COURT OF ENGINEERS HAS A CLAUSE IN IT THAT REQUIRES THAT PARKING BE EQUITABLE FOR ALL. BASICALLY, WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE CANNOT TYPE A RESIDENT ONLY PARKING, IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE JETTY PARK, WHICH IS THE ONLY PARK IMPACTED BY THE CONTRACT. OUR OPTIONS ARE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL THREE PARKS AND USE THE OPTION OF AN ANNUAL PASS FOR ALL OR NO PASSES AT ALL, OR JUST, IF WE WANT TO HAVE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WITH FREE RESIDENT PARKING, WE CAN USE THE TWO PARKS, SOUTH CAUSEWAY AND JC. THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS TO BE DISCUSSED. THE SECOND IS THE REVENUE. THEY ARE BASED ON THAT DECISION. THESE ARE ESTIMATED REVENUES. IF WE WENT WITH THE TWO PARKS WITH THREE CITY OF FORT PIERCE PERMITS, THE ESTIMATED INCOME IS ROUGHLY $475,000.00 WITH A PORTION GOING TO PCI AND THE REVENUE TO THE CITY IS ROUGHLY 166,000. OPTION TWO IS TO DO THEM THREE PARKS WITH THE ANNUAL PERMIT FOR ALL. ESTIMATED INCOME, ROUGHLY 900,000. 315 GOING TO PCI AND 585 GOING TO THE CITY. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE COMMISSION FOR COMPARISON IS THE COST THAT THE CITY IS PUTTING OUT TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS. IT IS ROUGHLY 300,000 IS THE CURRENT COST TO MAINTAIN THE PARKS. WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PCI PROVIDING SOME UPDATES AND WHATNOT. WE HAVE NOT PRESENTED TODAY BECAUSE IT IS NOT PART OF THE RFP THAT PRESENTED. WE ALSO HAVE A NEW PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, WHO STILL NEEDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE PARKS, THE MAINTENANCE, AND WHATNOT DETERMINE HOW HE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT YET.

WE ARE JUST PRESENTING WHAT OUR CURRENT COSTS ARE TO MAINTAIN

THE PARKS. >> THIS IS MAINTENANCE ONLY. NO ENHANCEMENTS. NO IMPROVEMENTS. JUST MAINTENANCE ONLY.

>> CORRECT. IT IS BROKEN DOWN INTO CERTAIN CATEGORIES SUCH AS GROUNDS, TRASH REMOVAL, GENERAL MAINTENANCE, EQUIPMENT, JANITORIAL SERVICES. YOU WILL NOTICE THE BOTTOM THREE, JANITORIAL, CLEANING, AND BUILDING, THEY ARE EQUAL ACROSS ALL THE PARKS, WHERE THE GROUNDS AND THE TRASH REMOVAL OBVIOUSLY ARE DICTATED BY THE TYPE OF PARK. THE JETTY PARK HAVING THE HIGHEST IN GENERAL MAINTENANCE FOLLOWED BY JC AND THEN SOUTH CAUSEWAY. JUST A QUICK SUMMARY ON YOUR TWO OPTIONS PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY. IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TWO PARKS WITH THE FREE RESIDENT PERMIT, THE PROJECTED REVENUE OF 176 MINUS 303, WE ARE IN THE RED AT 136. IF WE WANTED TO BALANCE THESE NUMBERS, WE ARE THE THREE PARKS FOR THE IN WILL PERMIT FOR ALL COMES IN WITH A REVENUE OF $201,000.00. JUST AS A QUICK REFRESHER, WHEN THIS FIRST CAME TO THE CITY COMMISSION BACK IN JULY OF 2023, FOLLOWING THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PARKING COMMITTEE, THEY DID RECOMMEND THAT A PORTION OF THE INCOME BE RESPECTED FOR FUTURE PARKING NEEDS. AND I BELIEVE THAT ACTUALLY IS COMING TO PLAY RIGHT NOW. MR. JOHNSON, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN OR WAIT UNTIL AFTER.

>> WAIT UNTIL AFTER. >> OKAY. ONE OF THE ISSUES I WAS ASKED TO INVESTIGATE IS THE FOUNDATION PROGRAM, AND OPTIONS AND COMMUNITIES HAVE WITH THEIR BUSINESSES. I REACHED OUT TO 10 BUSINESSES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE PARKS. I ONLY ACTUALLY ENDED UP SPEAKING WITH FIVE OF THE BUSINESSES. FIVE CHOSE NOT TO RETURN MY CALLS AND ONLY ONE SHOWED ANY INTEREST AT ALL AND IT WAS AN ALL THINK ABOUT IT. THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR A VALIDATION PROGRAM. THEN WE DID, GOT MORE

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AT LEAST CLARIFIED FOR ALL OF US WHY WE ARE DOING THIS IN THE FIRST PLACE. MAYBE COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, YOU CAN HELP US, WAS IT TO TURNOVER FOR BUSINESSES? LET'S START FROM THE BEGINNING. WHY DID THE PARKING COMMITTEE BRING THIS TO US IN THE FIRST PLACE?

>> THIS WAS LINKED ORIGINALLY WITH DOWNTOWN PARKING PAY TO PARK DOWNTOWN. THE BEACH PARKING WAS ALMOST AN AFTERTHOUGHT TO THE DOWNTOWN PARKING SCENARIO IN PAY TO PARK. SUBSEQUENTLY, THE CITY COMMISSION FELT THAT PAY TO PARK DOWNTOWN WAS NOT THE WAY TO GO SO. LEFT THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THIS PROGRAM HANGING.

THE ESCUTCHEON TOOK PLACE TO SAY WHY DON'T WE CREATE A PILOT PROGRAM OUT ON THE BEACH AND SEE WHAT THE CITIZEN RESPONSE IS, WHAT THE BUSINESS RESPONSE IS. LET'S USE THIS AS A LITMUS TEST FOR POTENTIALLY OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY. THE DISCUSSION THEN MORPHED INTO MAINTENANCE REPAIR OF OUR PARK SYSTEM. THIS ANALYTICS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO US. BUT THAT DOESN'T COVER, MAYOR, YOU PICKED UP ON INSTANTLY, IS CAP EX. JETTY PARK IS A MASSIVE INFUSION OF CAPITAL DOLLARS TO RESUSCITATE IT. IT IS DANGEROUS OVER THERE. THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LIABILITY AND THE RESTROOM FACILITIES ARE AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. HAVING SAID THAT, THE PARKING COMMITTEE LOOKED AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, AND, A LOOK BACK AT PAY TO PLAY. OUR PARK SYSTEM IS USED BY EVERYBODY. THAT ONLY RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, COUNTY, RESIDENTS FROM ALL OVER THE STATE AND OUT OF STATE. IT IS SPRING BREAK OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. THE TRAFFIC IS ABOUT TO BECOME MAYHEM AND ALL THE BARS AND RESTAURANTS WILL BE JAMMED AND NOBODY IS PAYING A DIME FOR USE OF OUR FACILITIES, OUR BEACHES OUR RESTROOMS, OR PARKING. WE ARE NOT GENERATING ONE PENNY OF REVENUE TO OFFSET OUR COST THAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING ON A DAILY BASIS. THE PARKING COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THIS FROM A VERY FUNDAMENTAL CAUSE AND EFFECT SCENARIO. WE ARE PAYING HIM CLOSE TO $600,000 WAS A YEAR ON MAINTENANCE ON THESE THREE PARKS ALONE, WE ARE NOT GENERATING A PENNY IN REVENUE. NOT SURE WHETHER EACH FRONT COMMUNITIES YOU GO TO WHERE YOU DON'T PAY TO PARK. IT IS A MATTER OF HOW MUCH. I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED FROM DAY ONE RELATIVE TO RESIDENT ACCESS TO OUR PUBLIC FACILITIES AT NO COST OR VERY MINIMAL COST OR A PASS OR WHATEVER. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE DETAIL ON THAT, WHAT THE SUGGESTION IS. I COME BACK TO THE FACT, OUR GENERAL FUND CANNOT CONTINUE TO UNDERWRITE PERSONS OUTSIDE THIS COMMUNITY USING OUR ASSETS FOR FREE. IT IS TIME FOR US TO COLLECT REVENUE.

MAYOR, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON IT THE LAST MEETING OR MEETING BEFORE, DURING COVID-19, FORT PIERCE WAS JAMMED WITH DADE, BROWARD, PALM BEACH COUNTY RESIDENTS. THEY ALL COME HERE BECAUSE THEY BEACHES WERE CLOSED. PUBLIC WORKS, CODE ENFORCEMENT, WE DEPLOYED EVERY ASSET WE HAD TO JUST TO CONTROL

THINGS UP THERE. >> AND GOT DISCOVEED IN THE

PROCESS. >> HAVING HAD SAID THAT, I STRONGLY ADVOCATE, THE PARKING COMMITTEE ADVOCATE, I AS A COMMISSIONER STRONGLY ADVOCATE, FROM THE REVENUE SIDE, WE NEED TO DO THIS. I WAS TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY WITH MINIMAL COSTS OR NO COST, HOWEVER WE ARE GOING TO STRUCTURE BACK. GO DOWN TO JETTY PARK ANY AFTERNOON, YOU WILL SEE EVERY OTHER PLATE IS AN OUT OF STATE PLATE. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO FIX OUR BUDGET CRISIS THAT IS LOOMING . I DON'T LOOK FOR, AS I'VE SAID TO THIS COMMISSION BEFORE, DON'T LOOK FOR DOLLAR TO DOLLAR OFFSETS, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR A DOLLAR REVENUE TO COVER A DOLLAR OF DIRECTLY RELATED EXPENSE BECAUSE OUR BUDGET DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. HAVING HAD SAID THAT, I ASK ALL THREE PARKS INVOLVED IN THIS PROGRAM. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO PEGGY TO GIVE A RECOGNITION AS TO THE BEST WAY TO IMPLEMENT THAT, WITH THE PASSES WE DON'T RUN AFOUL OF

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IF IT DOESN'T WORK, WE SCRAPPED IT. IF IT WORKS, WE MAY LOOK TO

INCREASE ITS PRESENCE. >> WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW, WASN'T AT LEAST ONE ASPECT OF IT THAT WE WANTED, ESPECIALLY JETTY PARK AND THINKING ABOUT. TURNOVER SO THAT, SO WHEN YOU HAVE A PASS, YOU DON'T FORCE THE TURNOVER BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN UNLIMITED TIME. IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE THAT BEHAVIOR? I DON'T

KNOW. SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? >> A PORTION OF WHAT IS OCCUPYING THAT, YOU WILL SEE A MAJORITY OF THE PLATES ARE OUT OF STATE PLATES. THAT IS GOING TO FORCE THAT PERCENTAGE OF TURNOVER. AND, NONRESIDENTS, PEGGY WAS PROPOSING PASSES FOR CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE OR ST. LUCIE COUNTY, HOW ARE WE DOING

THAT? >> META MAYOR.

>> TO FOLLOW UP ON EVERYTHING THAT COMMISSIONER BRODERICK JUST SAID, ESPECIALLY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF YOU, THEY CAME DUE TO COVID-19 AND THE INFLUX OF OUT OF TOWNERS WHO FOUND OUR PARKS AND BEACHES. WHEN STAFF WOULD ISSUE A $50 WASN'T ARCHITECTED FOR SOMEONE FROM FT. LAUDERDALE, THEY WOULD SAY, IS THIS IT? THEY SAID COOL, I WILL PAY IT WHEN I GET BACK. A $50 WASN'T TICKET TO THEM WAS WORTH THE PRICE. WE WERE BEING LOVED TO DEATH. THAT IS WHAT STAFF ORIGINALLY, THEIR POINT OF VIEW IS. WE NEED SOME CONTROL OVER WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE BEACHES. FAST FORWARD TO TODAY AND WHERE WE ARE AND. I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. JOHNSON AND WE ARE BOTH OF THE OPINION THAT AS A PILOT PROGRAM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE INSTITUTED IN A REGULAR MANNER WITH THE SAME FOR EVERYBODY, JUST DO REGULAR PARKING. FIND OUT WHAT THE IT WORKS. GET ALL THE DATA THAT WE NEED OVER THE THREE YEARS AND THEN WE COULD IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE A PERMIT. OUR RECOMMENDATION, I PROVIDED WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ASKED, WHICH IS RESIDENT PARKING FOR THE TWO PARKS OR PERMITS FOR ALL. A FLAT RATE FEE FOR THE MATTER WHO YOU ARE, YOU CAN PURCHASE THE PERMIT. FOR THE THREE PARKS. BUT, FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF STAFF, OUR ADMONITION IS TO SEE HOW THE PROGRAM WORKS FIRST BEFORE WE START THINKING ABOUT PERMITS. WE WOULD RECOMMEND DOING THE REGULAR PAY TO PARK PROGRAM WITHOUT ANY PERMITS AT THIS TIME. THAT IS

THE STAFF RECOGNITION. >> TELL ME HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

>> THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD INSTITUTE --

>> I'M PARKING THERE, HOW WOULD, WHAT WOULD I DO?

>> YOU WOULD PAY TO PARK, YOU WOULD HAVE THE OPTION OF DOING AN HOURLY OR A DAILY FEE. YOU COULD PAY FOR THE WHOLE DAY, $12.00 AND YOU GET THE WHOLE PAY FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT OR YOU COULD DO FOR A COUPLE HOURS. MOST OF THIS IS DONE ON YOUR PHONE. MR. JOHNSON WAS TELLING ME HOW HE WENT THROUGH IT AND 15 MINUTES BEFORE HIS TIME WAS UP, HE GOT A MESSAGE SAYING DO YOU WANT TO EXTEND YOUR TIME? THE PAYMENT COULD BE HOURLY OR IT

COULD BE DAILY. >> YOU HAVE THE CHOICE.

>> YOU WOULD HAVE THE CHOICE. HE WOULD ALSO HAVE THE CHOICE OF DOING IT ON YOUR PHONE OR, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT AS COMFORTABLE DOING IT ON THE PHONE, WE HAVE KIOSKS PLANNED THROUGHOUT THE THREE PARKS, WHERE YOU CAN GO AND DO IT ON THE KIOSK.

>> IN ALL THREE PARKS? >> YES MA'AM.

>> IS BASED . A CERTAIN TIME, THREE YEARS TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS AND THEN WE COULD SAY YES, WE ARE GOING TO STICK WITH THIS OR NO, WE WOULD GO TO PERMITS AND WE WOULD BE TREATING EVERYBODY THE SAME, RIGHT? THAT WOULD SATISFY THE COUNTRY CONCERNED ABOUT THEM WORKING EQUITY?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> META MAYOR, IF I MAY, A COUPLE OF THINGS. I THINK THE FIRST THING, OBVIOUSLY I INHERITED THIS. IT DIDN'T REALLY HAVE INPUT ON ITS DEVELOPMENT. ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WHETHER ACTING, INTERIM, OR ACTUAL IN THIS CAPACITY, I THINK COMMISSIONER TAYLOR FOR THIS, HE AND I HAD A CONVERSATION, THERE IS A RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING ABLE TO SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID AND ADVISING YOU ALONG THOSE LINES. IF FORT PIERCE IS DESTINATION MARKETING AND WE ARE GETTING PEOPLE TO COME TO FORT PIERCE, THEN I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT THIS RESULTS OR PUTS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON IS KEEPING THE WHEELS TURNING, KEEPING PEOPLE IN AND OUT. IF THEY DECIDE TO STAY, GENERATING REVENUE FOR THE SET TIME THAT THEY ARE IN THAT SPACE. TO THAT END, WE SPOKE WITH OUR COUNTERPARTS FROM THE. THERE IS

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SECOND-YEAR WON'T GIVE YOU WHAT TRUE SENSE OF THE DATA BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT THE IMPLEMENTATION IN THE OFF-SEASON OR TIME. IT IS REALLY THE THIRD YEAR THAT IS GOING TO BE BREAD AND BUTTER OF THE PROGRAM. IF WE ARE GOING TO ENTER INTO A PILOT PROGRAM, THEN IT IS ADVICE TO ENTER INTO A PRIVATE WITH RESTRICTIONS. YOU DON'T SEE WHAT YOU CAN CLAWBACK, WHAT COULD BECOME A IF IT, WHAT WE COULD OFFER TO THE CITIZENS AT THE END OF IT BECAUSE WE STARTED OFF WITH THAT. WE HAVEN'T GIVEN OURSELVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE FULL NUMBERS, WE CAN HAPPEN, THE ACTUAL USE CAPACITY. ALL OF THIS DATA WOULD BE COLLECTED OVER THE COURSE OF THREE YEARS DURING THIS PROGRAM. SPEAKING WITH PEGGY AND A CONSULTANT, IT WAS MY SUGGESTION. PEGGY AGREED I SHOULD JUST STICK TO IT, EQUAL ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT GIVES US THE FULL DATA AND ALSO PROTECTS OUR OPTION TO ENTER INTO FEDERAL GRANTS. IT DOESN'T JEOPARDIZE ANYTHING FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS. AND, IT ALSO ALLOWS US TO BE THE KIND OF, AT THE END OF THESE THREE YEARS, SEE WHAT THE NUMBERS ACTUALLY ARE AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN OFFER TO THE CITIZENS, IF ANYTHING, AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME. IN A NUTSHELL, THAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND THIS PIVOT, IF HE WERE.

>> GREAT, GOOD EXPIRATION. COMMENTS FROM OTHER

COMMISSIONERS? >> META MAYOR, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO STAND WHERE I STOOD WHEN THIS FIRST CAME. THEN, I SAID I DIDN'T CARE IF WE CHARGED PEOPLE COMING INTO THE CITY TO REDUCE OUR STUFF. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE TO USE OUR BEACHES, OUR BATHROOMS, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING, JUST LIKE IF I WENT DOWN SOUTH TO USE YOUR STUFF, I PAY THE PRICE TO PARK. I GO UP NORTH, I PAY A PRICE TO PARK. WE FIRST CAME UP WITH A PROGRAM TO LET ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE , SOME STICKER, HOWEVER WE WERE GOING TO DO IT, WE DON'T TAX THE RESIDENTS OF FORT PIERCE. BUT WAS TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF THE FEDERAL GRANT, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO LOSE. THEN I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO DO SOME TYPE OF PERMIT. CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT THE COST WAS FOR THE RESIDENTS OF TRENTON. I THOUGHT THE TARGET ONES TO TARGET OUTSIDE PEOPLE COMING IN TO OUR PARKS. IF YOU WANT TO VISIT OUR PARK, HELP US MAINTAIN IT BY THIS PARKS PERMIT. I KNOW THE SENTIMENT OF THE IMMUNITY IS THAT PRESIDENTS DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR OUR PARKS. I UNDERSTAND THE $300,000.00 MAINTENANCE COST AND WHATEVER BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY TO PARK AT THEIR OWN PARK WHERE THEY ARE PAYING TAXES AND EVERYTHING ELSE INSIDE THE CITY OF DREAM IT, INSIDE ST. LUCIE COUNTY . I'M NOT ON BOARD. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TWO OR THREE. IF ANYTHING, I WOULD GO AT THE THREE. IT HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF, I CAN SELL SOME TYPE OF PERMIT THAT YOU PAY THIS ANNUALLY BECAUSE YOU ARE A RESIDENT OF ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

FORT PIERCE, ST. LUCIE COUNTY, YOU PAY A FEE TO GO TO THE PARK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND YOUR CONCERN, MADAME MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND THAT CONCERN TODAY THAT IF I GOT A PERMIT, AND GO TO PARK MY CAR AND STAY THERE 24 HOURS, 48 HOURS. I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER YET. I KNOW THE ATMOSPHERE IN THE COMMUNITY IS OUR RESIDENCE, ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND FORT PIERCE

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NOW. >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, DO YOU

HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? >> I WILL ADMIT I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS QUITE A BIT. MY OPINION HAS KIND OF BEEN RANGING. HOWEVER, I AM STILL, I STILL QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF US NEEDING TO ADOPT OUR POLICIES FOR A GRANT WE ARE NOT EVEN PART OF. I DON'T HAVE AN OFFICIAL LEGAL OPINION ON THAT. EITHER WAY. I CAN ALSO APPRECIATE , AND MR. JOHNSON AND I HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE VALUE IN A PILOT PROGRAM AND TESTING THIS FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, GETTING REAL BETA, INSTEAD OF JUST IN A TOTALLY SANE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OUT OF TOWN PLATES AT THE PARK, WHICH I AGREE WITH. WE CAN HAVE SOME REAL DATA ON WHO IS ACTUALLY USING OUR PARKS ON THIS THREE SPECIFIC PLACES.

HAVING VISITED JESSE PARK TWICE THIS WEEK AND, IT WAS INSANE DOWN THERE. THERE'S PEOPLE ALL OVER THE PLACE, WHICH I LOVE.

BUT, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT. THE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND THE FACILITIES BEING LOVED TO DEATH.

>> RESTROOMS ALONE. >> IT WAS A SCARY EXPERIENCE TO GO IN THAT BATHROOM. THE TRASH CANS WERE OVERFLOWING, THERE WAS A LIGHT POLE THAT LOOKED LIKE SOMEONE JUST PUSHED IT OVER.

THERE WERE EXPOSED ELECTRICAL WIRES. I SUBMITTED THAT, BY THE WAY. BUT , THE MAIN THING I'M CONCERNED AT LEAST IN THIS PRESENTATION, SO, JUST TO CLARIFY MY POSITION, I THINK BECAUSE THIS IS A PILOT PROGRAM, I THINK THERE IS VALUE IN THAT DATA. AND, I THINK THAT THE ANNUAL PERMIT WAS MY IDEA IN THE BEGINNING WHEN I SAID IT BUT SEEING THE DATA, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO DO A STRAIGHT HOURLY PARKING TICKET THAT REAL BETA. SEE WHERE WE ARE AT. WE WILL KNOW SOME GOOD INFORMATION WITHIN THE FIRST EVEN SIX MONTHS ON WHO IS THE RESIDENT TO NONRESIDENT RATIO. AND, SEEING WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. IF I GO THERE ONCE EVERY QUARTER, THAT IS NOT REALLY WORTH IT FOR ME TO PAY AN ANNUAL PASS. I WAS THERE TWICE THIS WEEKEND. WE HAD FRIENDS IN TOWN FROM OHIO SO WE WERE GIVING THEM THE FORT PIERCE EXPERIENCE AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THE TRASH LATER.

THE BUSINESS VALIDATION. THAT IS REALLY CONCERNING TO ME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING ENDURING TRAFFIC INTO OUR RESTAURANTS AND OUR BUSINESSES THAT ARE DOWN THERE. SO, I WANT

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WHAT WAS THE MAIN REASON WHY WE WERE SKEPTICAL OR NOT WILLING TO PARTICIPATE, IS IT TOO CUMBERSOME, TOO COMPLICATED OF A PROCESS? WHAT WAS THE FEEDBACK?

>> THE ANSWER WAS BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO COST THEM MORE MONEY.

BUSINESS VALIDATION PROGRAM, THE BUSINESSES WOULD COVER A PORTION OF A PORTION OR ALL OF THE COUNTRY FOR PEOPLE VISITING THEIR RESTAURANTS. AND, AS ONE OF THE OWNERS SAID AND HE GOES, I ALREADY DO SALES, I ALREADY DO SPECIAL. I'M PUTTING MONEY OUT ALREADY. HE DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS WORTH THE ADDITIONAL COSTS . SO, BASICALLY, IT WAS THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THEY DID NOT

FEEL IT WAS A VALUE TO THEM. >> MAYBE THIS COULD BE A QUESTION FOR PCI AS FAR AS LOGISTICALLY BECAUSE THEN YOU WOULD HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING THEY ARE GOING TO THE RESTAURANT AND THEN THEY ARE AT THE PARK FOR SIX HOURS. MAYBE, I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO ADD A BURDEN ON TO OUR RESTAURANT OWNERS. I DO WANT TO KEEP THE TURNOVER HAPPENING WITH THE HOURLY PARKS. MAYBE THERE'S A WAY WE CAN WAIVE THE FEE . IF THEY ARE GOING TO THE RESTAURANT, MAYBE WE ARE ONLY WAVING TWO HOURS OF YOUR TIME IS IT KIND OF THING WHERE THEY GO GET THE FIRST TWO HOURS WAS MY EXPERIENCE AT THE RESTAURANT AND ANYTHING ELSE AFTER THAT, THE PERSON PARKING IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. THAT SOUNDS COMPLICATED. MAYBE THAT IS A GOOD WORKAROUND WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS NOT HAVING TO SUPPLEMENT THESE FEES, WHICH I DON'T REALLY WANT TO HAPPEN. BUT, WE ARE GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT WINDOW, LIKE I SAID, WHERE WE WENT TO THE RESTAURANT FIRST THEN WE WENT AND FISHED AT THE JETTY FOR SIX HOURS AND TOOK UP A PARKING SPOT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE . IF THAT HAS BEEN DONE IN OTHER AREAS, MAYBE WE ARE OVER COMPLICATING IT. I DON'T KNOW.

>> THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY IT WOULD WORK. IT WOULD BE ROUGHLY A TWO HOUR THING. I PRESENTED WHERE THE CITY WILL PAY ONE HOUR AND THE RESTAURANT WOULD PAY ONE HOUR. IT STILL DIDN'T RECEIVE

ANY TRACTION. >> IF WE WANT THEM TO PARTICIPATE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS PILOT PROGRAM, I DON'T WANT TO ENCUMBER ANY COSTS INTO THE RESTAURANT. THAT IS A HUGE, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ABOUT. WE WANT THIS TRAFFIC. AND, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE IT BUT WE HAVE TO MANAGE IT BETTER. I DON'T WANT ANY TYPE OF BURDEN HAPPENING ON OUR RESTAURANTS.

>> MADAME MAYOR. I'M GOING TO STOP AT THAT LAST PART. I WAS HERE WHEN THE BUSINESS OWNERS CAME TO US WANTING US TO HELP SOLVE AN ISSUE THEY HAD BECAUSE PARKING SPOTS WEREN'T TURNING OVER. WHEN WE COME WITH A SOLUTION, THEY TURNED THEIR BACKS ON THIS EVEN MEET US ANYWHERE TO READ THIS. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. THIS IS LOOKING AT THIS FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE. WE GOT INCREASING COSTS OF TRYING TO HAVE CLEAN FACILITIES DOWN THERE THAT WE PROVIDE FOR ALL PEOPLE.

THOSE SAME PEOPLE PROBABLY ARE USING THEIR RESTROOMS IN THEIR ASTONISHMENT RIGHT THERE NOW. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY DEFINED AREA. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE 40, 50, AND KNOW HOW MANY SPOTS AT JETTY PARK BUT THAT IS A VERY DEFINED PARKING AREA RIGHT THERE. RIGHT NOW, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT, I DON'T THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THERE IS A GRAVEL, LIMESTONE MARKET THAT IS RIGHT NEXT TO SQUARE GROUPER. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT IS FREE RIGHT

NOW. THAT WOULD REMAIN FREE. >> I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP.

WOULD THAT REMAIN FREE? >> IT WOULD NOT.

>> THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS I HAD. I'M GOING THROUGH MY HEAD AS TO ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE EIGHT METERS ALONGSIDE THE STREET? WHAT I CALL PREMIUM PARKING COMMUTE PULLED RIGHT UP IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT, GET IN, PAY, ALL THAT. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE LIMESTONE MODEL, ARE WE GOING TO PUT METERS THERE? THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE WHEN IT COMES TO JETTY PARK. THE OTHER THING IS NOT WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE ESCALATING COST OF US HAVING TO PUT WAS THERE TO MAINTAIN THE STANDARD THAT WE ARE GETTING BLAMED FOR WRITING OR BY RESIDENCE. AND, WE ARE TAKING TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO PAY

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THOSE SAME PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE A CHALLENGE WITH THIS MOTHER IS THE CHALLENGE? DO YOU WANT ME NOT TO SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS FOR PEOPLE OUT OF TOWN WOULD YOU WANT ME TO DO IT AND GIVE IT AWAY FOR FREE? I STILL HAVE TO FIX BROKEN BATHROOMS EVERY WEEKEND. I'M CLEAR ON THIS, I JUST NEED TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OPTION WILL INCLUDE AN ANNUAL PERMIT.

YOU CAN MAKE AN ANNUAL, IF YOU ARE A RESIDENT, I WANT TO BITE THEM IN WALL PASS, I CAN DO THAT ON OPTION TWO.

>> YES SIR. >> WE WILL SET A PRICE FOR THAT BUT THEN IF I DECIDE I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND DRIVE AND PARK FOR TWO HOURS, GOING TO PAY WHATEVER THAT TO OUR FEET IS USING MY PHONE OR WHATEVER, CORRECT. FOR ME, COMMISSIONERS, AND MAYOR, IT IS LOOKING AT OUR THREE AREAS. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS, WHAT IS THE OTHER PART, RIGHT OFF OF THE CAUSEWAY, CALLED WAITE PARK. THAT IS A GRAVEL LOT. IT IS KIND OF FREE RANGE PARKING. IT IS KIND OF SCREWED YOUR CAR IN HERE. OTHERS ARE DEFINED SPACES. HOW ARE WE HANDLING THAT? I SEE PEOPLE TALKING ACROSS THREE PARKING SPACES BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE THEY WANT TO PARK. OR ON THE GRASS.

>> MAYO, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, TO ANSWER A COUPLE OF WORK QUESTIONS, THE RFP IN THE CONTRACT ARE FOR THREE PARKS, SELF CAUSEWAY, JETTY, AND JC. THE CONTRACT ALLOWS IT TO BE EXPENDED. IF THE COMMISSION DOES CHOOSE TO ADD THEM GRAVEL LOT BETWEEN SQUARE GROUPER AND MANATEE, THE CONTRACT ALLOWS FOR THAT EXPANSION. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE THREE PARKS. AS FOR SELF CAUSEWAY , THERE ARE, YOU MAY NOT SEE THEM, WE MAY NEED SOME ITEMS, THERE ARE BUMPERS. THIS CONCRETE PERCENTAGE OF THE LEGITIMATE PARKING SPOTS. A LITTLE MAINTENANCE ONLY TO GET DONE, THEY WILL HAVE TO BE CLEAR, MARKED WITH SIGNAGE. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME MAINTENANCE NEEDED THAT THAT PARK TO CLEARLY DEFINE THE PARKING SPOTS. BUT, THERE ARE A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS AVAILABLE AT THAT PARK. AS FOR THE SPOT BY THAT BATHROOMS WHERE YOU GET THE THREE CARS, I HAVE BEEN REQUESTING THAT PUBLIC WORKS AND I THINK JASON IS ON DAY SIX OR SOMETHING BUT, BUT THAT IS A BOAT TRAILER PARK AND FOR THE BOAT RAMP AND IT HASN'T BEEN CLEARLY MARKED OR DEFINED FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THAT IS ANOTHER PIECE OF THE MAINTENANCE THAT WILL NEED TO BE DONE, TO MAKE THAT BACK INTO BOAT TRAILER PARKING.

>> THAT ANSWER SOME OF MY QUESTIONS. I JUST HURT YOU, THAT RIGHT NOW IN THE CURRENT RFP, THAT LIMESTONE GRAVEL LOT IS NOT A PART OF THIS. AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS CLEARLY STRANDED. YOU JUST MENTIONED BOAT PARKING AT CAUSEWAY. DOES THAT PRESENT A CHALLENGE WITH THIS PERMIT PARKING IN THAT AREA? THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MAY LAUNCH FROM THAT SELF CAUSEWAY.

I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBERS. THAT AND THEN JC PARK, THEY LAUNCH BOATS THERE. THOSE PEOPLE THAT, WITH THE TRAILER AND BOAT, THEY ARE PAYING THE SAME FEE, OR THEY CAN GET AN ANNUAL, CORRECT? IF

IT IS REALLY OR ANIMAL? >> IT WOULD BE HOURLY OR ANIMAL OR DAILY. HOURLY, DAILY, OR ANNUAL.

>> YOU WANT TO HAVE ALL THREE OPTIONS?

>> YOU ARE HOURLY OR DAILY IS THE PAY TO PARK. THE PERMIT FOR ALL TO BE A PERMIT. COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, YOU BROUGHT IT UP INTO JUST IMAGINE THE STATE PARK , WHICH IS $60 A PERCENT FOR THE ANNUAL PERMIT. WE HAVE BEEN USING THAT NUMBER IN OUR CALCULATIONS. THAT PERMIT IS THE QUESTION. EITHER WE DO PAY TO PARK DAILY AND HOURLY OR WE DO PAY TO PARK WITH THE PERMIT FOR ALL FOR THE THREE PARKS, POSSIBLY A PARK, IF WE ADD THAT.

>> GOT IT. I NEEDED TO CLARIFY THAT. FOR ME, IT MAKES IT PROGRAM. WHEN WE START TRYING TO CARVE OFF THIS PIECE, CARVE OFF THAT IS, INEVITABLY, WE WILL WORK OURSELVES INTO A PROBLEM BEFORE WE GET TO THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM WITH SURFACE WHEN YOU PUT THIS OUT ON THE STREET AND SEE THE PRICE POINT. I HEARD THAT IF I AM A DOCTOR, IT IS ADVANTAGEOUS FOR ME TO GET MY ANNUAL PASS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO GO OUT AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH.

THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF. ANYBODY THAT RECREATES THAT WAY UNDERSTANDS THAT IS A REASONABLE EXPENSE FOR THAT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THIS OPTIONS. AND, IF WE DO COME

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>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, TO YOUR POINT, ONE OF THE REASONS, JUST THIS ENERGY INTO TRAINING, WE HAVE A PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND WE WANTED TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO A THOROUGH EVALUATION OF HIS STAFF, OF HIS OPERATIONS, OF HIS PROGRAMMING, OF THE NEEDS OF THE AREAS OF IMPROVEMENT. WE ARE VERY POSITIVE THAT HE'S GOING TO BE, HE'S ALREADY INVOLVED AND WE ARE POSITIVE HE'S GOING TO COME UP WITH AN AGREEMENT SCHEDULING.

LOOKING AT STAFFING LEVELS, WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT WE CAN'T DO BECAUSE NUMBERS ARE NUMBERS. IF WE HAVE MORE WORK THAN STAFF, YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THE PROPER ADJUSTMENTS.

SECONDARY TO THAT, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO BOTH YOU AND COMMISSIONER BRODERICK SEGUED INTO SOMETHING THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT . I'M WORKING WITH A FINANCE TEAM AND PURCHASING TEAM IN THE RENEWAL OF A LEASE OF A LOT AND WE HAVE A FEW LOTS WE ARE BRACING FOR PUBLIC USE FOR THOSE ACCREDITORS GOING OUT AND NOTHING GOING IN AMIDST A PROJECTED SHORTFALL AND DEFICIT.

THIS PARTICULAR LOT, WE STARTED IN 2019 WITH TWO LOTS. WE ADDED FOUR ADDITIONAL 2022. AT THAT TIME, BETWEEN A AVALORUM, MEN'S FEES , ACCOUNTING FEES, WE WERE SPENDING 6000 ANNUALLY. THEY WANT TO GO UP DOUBLE OF THE POLICE HAVE NOT PLUS ADDITIONAL FEES. WE ARE LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE FROM 6000 TO 8002 UPWARDS OF $40,000 WAS AND WE ARE GOING TO BE WITH NOTHING COMING BACK AND. SO, THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES THAT THIS WOULD HELP US TO ADDRESS. AND, NOTHING IS STOPPING US BECAUSE THE CONTRACT IS OPEN-ENDED, NOTHING IS STOPPING US FROM STATING WE WANT TO ADD THAT PARKING SPACE TO THIS PROGRAM AND SEE . HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SEE SOME REAL NUMBERS COMING IN VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE GOING OUT. WE HAVE TO STRATEGIZE AND PLANT IT CORRECTLY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK. >> TO FOLLOW UP ON THE ISSUE OF THE DUNSTABLE LOT BETWEEN SQUARE GROUPER AND JETTY PARK . JACK'S FOLKS HAD TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN THAT PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION TO EXTEND JETTY PARK INTO THAT AREA AND PUT IN PALM TREES, ETC.

ÚREGARDLESS OF US MOVING FORWAR WITH THAT OR NOT, I'M GOING TO SUGGEST TO THE COMMISSION THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS INITIATIVE, JETTY PARK WILL BE PAID TO PARK ACROSS THE STREET IS THE 2021 PARKING LOT, PRIVATELY OWNED, PAY TO PARK. THEN WE HAVE OUR PIECE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IS LIKE A NO MAN'S LAND. WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO DO IT WITH THE ORIGINAL RFP BUT WE COULD DO IT THEREAFTER TO ADD INTO THE VACANT LOT INTO THE PROGRAM. IT IS NATURAL IT WOULD BE ADDED IN.

>> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I THINK ABOUT PARTICULAR LOT, THERE'S 35 OR 38 ADDITIONAL PARKING SPOTS, WHICH HAVE CURBS.

SO, IT COULD EASILY BE DONE. SIMILAR TO CAUSEWAY, IT WILL NEED SOME MAINTENANCE TO GET TO THAT POINT BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A SOUND INVESTMENT TO DO IS RIGHT. THIS IS VERY UNPOPULAR OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY. VERY UNPOPULAR. AND EVEN THE WRITER WROTE SOMETHING, AND THE NEWSPAPER EDITORIALIZED, AND HAD ABSOLUTELY NO FACTS IN THERE ABOUT WHY WE WERE DOING, WHY THE PARKING COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED IT, WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACHIEVE. THERE WAS NO BASIS FOR WHAT THEIR EDITORIAL RECOMMENDATIONS WERE, AND SO MR. JOHNSON AND STAFF, AND ALL OF US

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AND HONESTLY, MANY PEOPLE FEEL ENTITLED. IT'S THE OCEAN. IT'S THE BEACH. IT'S MINE. IT'S NOT YOURS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HOURS.

SO WE NEED A COMMUNICATIONS PLAN WITH THE PRESS AND WITH KEY PEOPLE ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT COMMISSIONER BRODRICK -- HOW THEY STARTED, WHY WE ARE TRYING TO DO IT, WHY WE TRIED NOT TO INCLUDE OUR OWN RESIDENCE, BUT WE ARE BLOCKED FOR A VERY GOOD REASON AND NOT THAT THE TRUTH WILL PERMEATE OUT THERE TO EVERYBODY, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL STILL FEEL RESENTFUL BECAUSE IT'S THE HUMAN NATURE. IF YOU ALWAYS HAD SOMETHING FOR FREE, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT. AND ALSO I FEEL FOR THE RESTAURANT'S BECAUSE I TALKED TO RESTAURANT OWNERS AND THE SEASON, AT THIS TIME, THEY ARE NOT MAKING AS MUCH MONEY. PEOPLE ARE NOT EATING OUT AS MUCH.

RESTAURANTS HAVE NOT HAD AS GOOD A SEASON AS THEY'VE HAD PREVIOUSLY SO WE ARE AFFECTED BY THAT, AND SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THEM. THEY'VE HAD TO RAISE THEIR PRICES. PEOPLE MAY BE STOPPED COMING. THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT'S CHANGING. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE A HARD SELL AND PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE THIS. AND OUR STORY IS WE WANT TO KEEP IT NICE FOR YOU AND EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT THAT IS A STORY WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE BEFORE WE IMPLEMENT THIS. WE HAVE A VERY STRONG REASON. WE SIT HERE AND SAY, LET'S DO THIS, BUT OUT THERE, THEY'RE NOWHERE ON THAT EXCEPT DON'T DO THIS TO US.

>> MADAME MAYOR, YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING AND I'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO MS. REYES. I THINK -- I'M CONCERND ABOUT SOMETHING, TOO. WE'VE GOT A VERY LARGE BUSINESS OWNER THAT HAS FREE PARKING IN HIS OR HER LOT TO GO TO THAT RESTAURANT. WHAT I DON'T WANT TO CAUSE IS PRESSURE ON THAT SYSTEM. SO I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED, AND I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU TALK TO OUT OF THESE 10 BUSINESSES, BUT THERE ARE TWO BUSINESSES I KNOW THAT ARE RIGHT NEXT TO THE ACTUAL JETTY THAT HAVE FREE PARKING. THREE, OKAY, AND POSSIBILITY OF OTHERS THAT MAY COME. AND I THINK WE MAY NEED TO TALK TO THEM TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT SOON COULD IMPACT THEIR BUSINESS AND HOW PEOPLE NAVIGATE IN AND OUT, THAT LEGITIMATELY WANT TO GO AND HAVE A TWO HOUR PARTY OR WHATEVER, WATCHING THE WATER, AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR THEM, RIGHT? SO IT'S A WHOLE ECOSYSTEM HERE WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT. BUT AGAIN, OUR BUDGET IS GETTING TIGHTER. WE ARE GETTING THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT BATHROOMS AND IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE PUBLIC BATHROOMS, WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO PAY FOR THAT. AND RIGHT NOW WE ARE PAYING IN TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO PAY FOR THAT AND WE STILL CAN'T KEEP UP. SO THAT'S THE STORY IS THAT WE'VE GOT TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT IN EVERYTHING HERE. AND YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE SYSTEM. MAYBE THERE WILL BE SOME CREATIVE WAYS TO FIGURE OUT HOW PEOPLE WILL GET BACK AND FORTH TO THE BEACH WITHOUT PAYING.

>> FREEBIE. >> FREEBIE, WHATEVER. LYFT , UBER, WHATEVER. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE CAN'T STICK OUR HEAD IN THE SAND A. THIS IS A TOUGH ONE.

>> I THINK WE NEED TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT THERE ARE OTHER BEACHES. WE ARE NOT CUTTING YOU OFF FROM THE BEACH.

>> KIMBERLY BEGALA, SURFSIDE PARK.

>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHAT'S THAT, A IA? THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PLACES THERE. THOSE WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO PARK AT AND GO TO THE BEACH. BEACH ACCESS.

>> AND PARKS. ALL RIGHTS, GOT IT.

>> YES OR. >> JUST A COMMENT ON THAT POINT, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE MISINFORMATION THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE. PEOPLE JUST HERE WE ARE CHARGING TO PARK AT THE BEACH AND THAT'S ALL THEY HEAR. THEY DON'T REALIZE IT'S JUST THESE THREE LOCATIONS FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM. BUT ANOTHER THING THAT JUST KIND OF CAME UP FOR ME, THE -- I FEEL LIKE JC PARK KIND OF STICKS OUT TO ME AS FAR AS BEING A DIFFERENT USE THAN WHAT THE OTHER TWO PARKS ARE, THE CAUSEWAY AND THE JETTY. JC PARK TO ME IS -- HAD MORE HEAVILY LOCALLY USED, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE USAGES THAT ARE THERE. IT'S MORE OF AN ACTUAL PARK THAN JUST A BEACH ACCESS WITH THE KIWANIS PLAYGROUND, THE NEW PICKLE BALL COURTS WE JUST PUT IN THERE, THE

PAVILIONS. >> BOAT LAUNCH?

>> THE BOAT LAUNCH. SO THAT KIND OF FEELS MORE OF A DIFFERENT

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>> ONE OF THE REASONS WE PICK JAYCEE 'S BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PART THAT REALLY GOT DISCOVERED DURING COVID, AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS REALLY ABUSED. PEOPLE WERE COMING. IT WAS VERY, VERY HEAVILY USED BY OUT-OF-TOWNERS, ALMOST PREVENTING THE LOCAL FROM USING IT. SO I THINK THAT'S HOW WE STARTED BUT MAYBE YOU WANT TO ADD --

>> JUST TO MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT AND I KNOW COVID TIMES ARE DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE NOW, BUT I DON'T SEE NEAR THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AT JAYCEE PARK AS I DO AT

THE OTHERS. >> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, THE MAYOR WAS CORRECT. THAT PARK IS VERY HEAVILY USED.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ALL THREE PARKS ARE VERY UNIQUE IN HOW THEY'RE SET UP. JETTY PARK HAVING THE RESTAURANTS, JAYCEE PARK HAVING THE PLAYGROUND IN THE TENNIS COURTS, AND THE BOAT LAUNCH, AND THEN SELF CAUSEWAY BEEN MOSTLY BEACH WITH THE LAUNCH. BUT YES, JAYCEE PARK IS HEAVILY USED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BOATS, BECAUSE IT'S OUR MOST POPULAR OR ACTIVE BOAT RAMP THERE CAN WE GET A LOT OF OUT-OF-TOWNERS THAT COME THROUGH BECAUSE OF THAT BOAT RAMP. A FREE RAMP, YET AGAIN SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS UNHEARD OF TO OUR SOUTHERN NEIGHBORS, IS THAT YOU GET TO LAUNCH YOUR BOOTS FOR FREE. BUT THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S NO RESTAURANT. THERE'S NO BUSINESS DISTRICT AROUND IT, TOO, SO YOU SEE -- AND THERE'S A SWIMMING AREA BUT THERE IS A SWIMMING AREA AT CAUSEWAY PARK, TOO.

>> I GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE ADDED BENEFITS OF THE PILOT PROGRAM. WE CAN KIND OF MAKE THAT DECISIONS WITH ACTUAL DATA

WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. >> JAYCEE PARK HAS BEEN FROM SUN UP UNTIL MID TO LATE MORNING, HAS NOW BEEN TAKEN OVER BY OCEAN VILLAGE, THERE PICKLE BALL FOLKS ARE RUNNING TOURNAMENTS DOWN THERE AND SUCH. AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE FOLKS ARE OUT OF STATE.

THERE PICKLE BALL COURTS AREN'T DONE OR THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS, OR WHATEVER. SO THEY'VE SHIFTED THEIR USE TO A PUBLIC FACILITY THAT IS FREE OF CHARGE, AND SO I THINK AGAIN, I COME BACK TO THE PAY TO PLAY SCENARIO. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS BUT ON THE REVENUE SIDE OF THINGS, I THINK THE REVENUE SIDE OF THIS DISCUSSION OUTSTRIPS ANY OTHER DISCUSSION WE CAN HAVE, ESPECIALLY WITH PUBLIC ACCESS TO SO MANY OTHER PARKS AND FACILITIES ON SEAWAY, ON OCEAN AVENUE.

>> WE REALLY HAVE TO COMMUNICATE THE REASON WHY, EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT SURE IT WILL ALL BE TAKEN IN BY EVERYBODY.

>> THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PUSHBACK ON IT.

>> MADAME MAYOR, IF I MAY, THERE WAS SOME QUESTION, I WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR JOSHUA, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM REGARDING THE FEDERAL ASPECT. BECAUSE I DID HEAR SOMEONE

WANTED TO. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I THINK HE NEEDS TO CLARIFY SOME THINGS BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE MINOR QUESTION ABOUT HIS CONCERN WITH FEDERAL GRANTS, ET CETERA.

>> HE SAT THROUGH THIS WHOLE MEETING. HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO

SAY SOMETHING. COME FORWARD. >> AND OUR COUNTY PARTNERS.

SOMETHING I NEED YOU TO TAKE BACK TO THEM.

>> VERY GOOD, MADAME MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, JOSHUA REBOARD, DIRECTOR OF PORT AND BEACHES FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLARIFY FOR THE BOARD. AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY IS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. WE HAVE SO FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS OR SO, AND THAT RELATIONSHIP IS BUILT ON THE PREMISE OF PUBLIC ACCESS.

PUBLIC ACCESS IS A FEATURE THAT'S REQUIRED TO JUSTIFY THE FEDERAL EXPENDITURE. AND SO ALL OF OUR BEACH PARKS FROM THE JETTY SOUTH, ALL THE WAY TO SURFSIDE, FORMED THE BASIS FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS PROVIDES FOR OUR PROJECT . SO IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE YOU KNOW THAT EVERY ABOUT TWO YEARS WE DO A FEDERAL PROJECT. BECAUSE OF THE

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PARKING IS TO BE ON ALL EQUAL TERMS, SO THAT THEY CAN JUSTIFY IT'S NOT JUST FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENTS. IT'S FOR AN ECONOMIC AND IF IT FOR THE ENTIRE STATE AND FOR THE NATION.

SO WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT PARKING AND SPECIFICALLY AT JETTY PARK, ANY ATTEMPT TO PROVIDE A SCALE THAT WOULD FAVOR ONE PARTY OVER THE OTHER COULD IMPLEMNT OR IMPLICATE THAT FEDERAL MONEY THAT WE RECEIVE. WE ARE JUST ABOUT TO DO A FEDERAL PROJECT . THOSE PROJECTS, THE LAST ONE WAS ABOUT $12 MILLION. YOU LOOK AT ABOUT 80% OF THAT. THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT HAPPENED EVERY TWO YEARS. SO WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE MONEY. ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS, SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF 25, 26 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WERE GIVEN TO US. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE CONSCIOUS OF THAT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE EROSION DISTRICT, WHICH I MANAGE FOR THE COUNTY, HAS AN AD VALOREM TAX, WE ARE A DEPENDENT TAXING DISTRICT, SO THE MONEY IS TO OFFSET THAT COST, PROVIDE THE NONFEDERAL SHARE COMING FROM THOSE COFFERS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DYNAMICS, WE GET MONEY FROM THE STATE, AS WELL. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DYNAMICS, WE PAY $.11 ON THE DOLLAR BECAUSE WE PROVIDE OPTIMAL PUBLIC ACCESS AND WE CHECK ALL THE BOXES FOR THOSE PARTICULAR REQUIREMENTS.

SO YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'D HESITATE FROM GOING WITH ANY SCHEDULE THAT WOULD JEOPARDIZE THAT RELATIONSHIP, BECAUSE IT IS A VERY DELICATE RELATIONSHIP . YOU KNOW I'M SURE THE COURT WOULDN'T WANT TO BE HERE TO SPEND MONEY IN OUR NECK OF THE WOODS, BUT BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS ARE HERE, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP. SO ANYWAY, SHAPE, OR FORM I COULD BE ENGAGED TO HELP YOU GUYS AT THE END OF THE DAY, AS YOU HAD STATED. THERE ARE OTHER BEACH PARKS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE.

SO THAT IS A FACT. SO WE CAN PROVIDE ACCESS TO OTHERS. BUT PLEASE KEEP ME ENGAGED. I'D LIKE TO BE ENGAGED BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PICK UP THE PIECES LATER IF ANYTHING GOES SOUR, BECAUSE IT'S A DELICATE RELATIONSHIP. AND JUST TO COMMENT ON ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THE EXISTING BEACH PROJECT OUT THERE, THAT'S A LOCALLY FUNDED PROJECT . THE CORE WASN'T ABLE TO DO THE PROJECT THIS YEAR, SO THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE EROSION DISTRICT. WE ARE SPENDING ABOUT $4 MILLION THERE TO GET US TO THE NEXT FEDERAL CYCLE. SO A LOT OF MONEY GOES INTO THIS PROJECT. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE

THINK YOU. >> THE FEE STRUCTURE THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THEIR WITH HOURLY, DAILY, AND PERMIT FEES, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT STRUCTURE?

>> AS LONG AS IT'S EQUAL TO ALL. YOU KNOW THE HEADWIND IS THAT ST. LUCIE COUNTY'S RESIDENTS TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE BEACH, NOT THE PARK ELEMENT . WE CONTRIBUTE -- I'M A TAXPAYER IN THE COUNTY. I HAVE AN AD VALOREM TAX. I PAY 30 BUCKS A YEAR FOR THE EROSION DISTRICT. THAT MONEY OFFSETS THE FEDERAL PROJECT. SO ME PERSONALLY, AS A RESIDENT, I ALREADY CONTRIBUTING TO THE PROTECTION OF THAT PARK. I THINK MOST OF YOUR DEALINGS IS WITH THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE PARK.

>> THREE DIFFERENT PRICE POINTS HERE, IN ESSENCE . JUST AS LONG AS YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.

>> AS LONG AS THEY'RE EQUAL TO ALL, EVEN RESIDENTS AND VISITORS, BECAUSE THAT'S THE MAIN OBJECTIVE.

>> BUT ARE THEY? THAT'S THE QUESTION I'M ASKING. ARE THEY? WITH AN ANNUAL PERMIT FEE OF $60 VERSUS SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO COME IN AND PAY BY THE HOUR, OR PAY BY THE DAY, IS THIS CONSIDERED TO BE AN EQUITABLE ESTIMATION?

>> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER BRODRICK, THE ANSWER IS YES.

BECAUSE YOU CAN BE IN FT. LAUDERDALE AND CHOOSE TO GET THE ANNUAL PERMIT. IT'S NOT RESTRICTIVE TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY RESIDENTS ARE CITY OF FORT PIERCE RESIDENTS. IT'S WHOEVER WANTS TO PURCHASE THAT PERMIT. SO WHETHER YOU CHOOSE TO PURCHASE IN OUR, A DATE, OR A YEAR, YOU HAVE THAT CHOICE.

>> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> MADAME MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING YOUR. THE PART THAT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, THE POSITIVE PART IS THAT WE WANT TO BE A GOOD PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO PART OF OUR COMMUNICATION, IS THAT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE NORTH BEACH AREAS WHICH WE HAVE PARKING THERE, WE HAVE GREAT FACILITIES THERE, AND I WANT TO THANK THE COUNTY BECAUSE THOSE ARE WELL-MAINTAINED. YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB THERE AND A LOT OF PEOPLE TEND TO RECREATE THEIR IF THEY WANT TO GO TO THE BEACH. I THINK OUR SITUATION IS A LITTLE BIT UNIQUE. WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF ACCESS TO THESE WATERS AROUND AND IN A COUPLE CASES COMMERCIAL BUSINESS DISTRICTS WITH FOOD AND ET CETERA. AND THAT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF RECREATION. THAT'S NOT PERSONS THAT ARE GOING TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY GET IN THE WATER BUT THEY WANT TO BE NEAR THE WATER AND BE A PART OF THAT, AND ENJOYED OTHER ACCOUTREMENTS

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AND WE ALSO HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE LITERALLY PEOPLE WORK ABUSING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THAT'S COSTING US IN A VERY

TIGHT BUDGET CONSTRAINT. >> I KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THE SPEECH PARK IS UNIQUE. IT HAS A LOT MORE FEATURES THAT YOU GUYS MAINTAIN. SO I'M NOT COMING OUT AGAINST THE OPTION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESERVE THAT FEDERAL RELATIONSHIP. SO THAT MEANS THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO THERE AND YOU COME FROM ARKANSAS, OR YOU COME HERE FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY, THOSE TERMS SHOULD BE EQUAL TO ALL SO THAT WE DON'T JEOPARDIZE ANY OF OUR RELATIONSHIPS THAT WE'VE MADE

OVER THE YEARS. >> GREAT. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR JASON BECAUSE I DID BUT COMMISSIONER BRODRICK ANSWERED THAT QUESTION SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE UNIFORM THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, BASICALLY, SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO COME. BUT I'M GOING BACK TO SOMETHING COMMISSIONER TAYLOR SAID ABOUT JAYCEE PARK .

IF WE PUT A PARKING FEE -- THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING. A LOT OF ORGANIZATIONS RENT PAVILIONS AND HAVE REUNIONS, FAMILY REUNIONS, BIRTHDAYS, ANYTHING YOU CAN THINK OF, GOING THROUGH RENTING A PAVILION. AND THEY ARE RENTING THE PAVILION FOR A CERTAIN PRICE, AND THEN THEY ARE INVITING HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE THEY ARE INVITING. SO HOW DOES THAT COME INTO PLAY? BECAUSE THE PERSON WHO IS HOSTING THE EVENT IS PAYING THE CITY TO RESERVE THE PAVILIO FROM 6:00 TO WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU SIGN UP FOR, AND SAY THEY ARE INVITING -- SAY IT'S A CLASS REUNION AND IT COULD BE 100 PEOPLE. SO DOES THAT IN TURN, THOSE HUNDRED PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING WOULD NOW HAVE TO PAY TO PARTICIPATE IN AN EVENT THAT SOMEBODY ELSE PAID THE CITY TO HOST AT JAYCEE PARK ? TO YOUR QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND THE FREE BOAT RAMPS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THEIR PART. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT, YOU KNOW, YOU RESERVE A PAVILION, YOU ARE PAYING THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE SOME TYPE OF MONEY. SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO

NEGOTIATE THEIR PART. >> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER GAINS, THAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THE CITY COMMISSION. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PARKS PAVILION, THAT WHOLE FEE SCHEDULE IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE REVIEWED SHORTLY BUT WHAT WILL BE VERY EASY IS PART OF THAT APPLICATION PROCESS, IS THAT YOU GET X NUMBER OF PARKING PERMITS, SOMETHING TO STICK IN YOUR WINDOW OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S A WORKABLE SOLUTION. WE CAN FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THAT TO BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PAVILION PERMIT PROCESS.

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO SIT HERE RIGHT HERE AND THINK ABOUT EVERYTHING -- I'M TRYING TO GO BACK, I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU, I'M TRYING TO GO BACK THROUGH THE EMAILS THAT I'VE GOTTEN REGARDING THIS ISSUE. AND I'M TRYING TO GO BACK, AND A LOT OF ANSWERS HAVE BEEN SAID BUT THAT IS ONE THAT I KNOW BECAUSE THAT PARK, AND I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CLASS

REUNIONS. >> GRADUATION PARTIES.

>> TUITION PARTIES AND EVERYTHING COMING UP NOW.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO GET AT WORK I'M GLAD WE ARE THINKING

AHEAD. >> SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, IS THERE WERE TIMES WHERE TRIATHLONS WERE GOING DOWN AT THAT PARK. SO IT WOULD BE A RENTAL FEE ALMOST FOR THE PARK, YOU KNOW, TO COVER SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO ALL OF THOSE ITEMS WERE DISCUSSED AND IDEAS AND THOUGHTS, SO WE'VE BEEN ANTICIPATING A LOT OF THESE THINGS. AGAIN, THAT'S ON THE BACKSIDE AND WHEN WE GET THE RESOLUTION OF THE FEES AND WHATNOT, WE INCORPORATE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WHERE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS THIS KIND OF FEE WOULD BE ASSOCIATED. THAT WOULD BE A FOLLOW-UP RESOLUTION ONCE

WE GET THE PROGRAM IN PLACE. >> AND I APPRECIATE THAT BUT THE ONE PROBLEM I'M STILL HAVING HIS I'M GOING TO ECHO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID. WE ARE NOW PLAYING CATCH-UP WITH NEGATIVE PRESS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T NEGATIVE PRESS AND NEGATIVE MISINFORMATION OUT IN THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T COME FORWARD AND STATE, GUYS, WE NEED TO FIX OUR BATHROOMS, GUYS, WE

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NOW -- >> THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INVITE MR. SKELTON UP BECAUSE HE IS THE PROFESSIONAL IN THIS FIELD AND HE HAS FACED THESE TYPES OF HURDLES IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS AND AREAS. IT IS PCI. IT'S MUNICIPAL. THEY ONLY FOCUS ON MUNICIPAL PARKING. SO I THINK THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR MR. SKELTON TO JOIN US AND FEAR HIS EXPERTISE IN OVERCOMING HURDLES LIKE THAT.

>> I AGREE. I JUST PUT A FORWARD ON MY EMAIL ADDRESS TO HIS EMAIL

ADDRESS AND -- >> MR. SKELTON?

>> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSION, IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

JACK SKELTON. ON ONE OF THE OWNERS, PCI MUNICIPAL SERVICES.

GLAD TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. SO AS FAR AS THE COMMUNICATIONS, WE'VE HELPED A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES TRANSITION FROM FREE TO PAY. IT'S NEVER EASY BUT I AGREE, YOU ARE SPOT ON. YOU NEED TO GET THE Y OUT THERE, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS THAT WILL RESULT FROM THIS PROGRAM? YOU MENTIONED YOU BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE FUNDS TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITIES IS ALWAYS AT THE TOP OF MUNICIPALITIES LIST. THE SECOND THING IS THE EFFICIENT MANAGEMENT IS ONE OF YOUR KEY ASSETS, WHICH IS PARKING, AND THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THOSE SPACES AND TURN THEM OVER HAS BEEN MENTIONED MANY TIMES. WE WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE DATA UPON WHICH YOU CAN MAKE ACTUAL DECISIONS, SMART DECISIONS. THE ANECDOTAL INFORMATION IS ALWAYS VERY CHALLENGING. I SAW THIS AND IT'S ONE POINT IN TIME, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TELL YOU HOW FREQUENTLY PEOPLE ARE USING EACH INDIVIDUAL PARK, HOW LONG THEY ARE STAYING, UPON WHICH YOU CAN MAKE BETTER DECISIONS HOW TO GO FORWARD ON PRICING AND HOW BEST TO MANAGE THE ASSET RELATING TO PAVILION USE AND SUCH.

>> QUESTIONS FOR MR. SKELTON? ONE THING THAT COMMISSIONER JOHNSON SAID, THAT I JUST WANT CLARIFIED, MAYBE YOU ARE PEGGING, IS THAT HE DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE RESTROOMS AND I KNOW THAT THOSE RESTROOMS ARE NOW OPEN 24 AND SEVEN AT JETTY PARK BECAUSE OF THE FISHING, BECAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON THERE. AND THAT VANDALISM RARELY OCCURS IN THE DAYTIME. AND SO THAT I THINK WE ARE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THE ATTEMPTS AT THAT. WHAT'S OUR REALISTIC EXPECTATION OF KEEPING THOSE RESTROOMS OPERATIONAL AND CLEAN? EITHER ONE OF YOU WANT TO

>> MADAME MAYOR, THE SITUATION WITH THE RESTROOM CLEANING RIGHT NOW IS A PUBLIC WORKS REQUIREMENTS JOB. WE DIDN'T SPEAK WITH PCI ABOUT TAKING OVER THAT AND IT'S AN OPTION WE MAY OPEN UP IN THE FUTURE. BUT RIGHT NOW THAT IS A PUBLIC WORKS RESPONSIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUMP UP.

>> COMING UP, MADAME MAYOR. WHILE WE DID INITIALLY THERE WAS AN OPTION AND WE DID SPEAK ON PCI MANAGING ASPECTS OF THE FACILITIES IN GENERAL. SUBSEQUENTLY OF ME TAKING A LOOK AT THIS AND SPEAKING WITH PEGGY, I ADVISED US TO PULL BACK FROM THAT BECAUSE THE RFP WAS SPECIFIC TO PARKING. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PUBLIC RESTROOMS SO WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OF ANYONE LOOKING AT THAT, WHY THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. THAT IS NOT WHAT THE RFP IS ABOUT. THAT'S THE REASON BEING WHY WE KIND OF PULLED BACK FROM THAT. AND AGAIN, WE WANTED TO GIVE THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO VENT HIS NEW TEAM, PUT A PLAN IN PLACE, AND SHOW US WHAT HE CAN

DO. >> ALREADY, YES.

>> MADAME MAYOR, CITY COMMISSION. IT'S A CHALLENGE AND WE ARE LOOKING AT STAFFING. I'VE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WERE WITH THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT DO THE TRASH, ALSO THE QUANTITY OF PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE THAT'S TAKING CARE OF THE FACILITIES. I WANT TO BRING UP

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>> THANK YOU. YES SIR, RICK , STATE YOUR WHOLE NAME FOR THE

RECORD. >> RICK STAUFFER, MANAGER OF FACILITIES MAINTENANCE. SO I DIDN'T PLAN ON BEING HERE

TODAY. >> WELL THANK YOU FOR BEING

HERE. >> LIKE YOU SAID, OUR STAFFING LEVELS, WE ARE A STAFF OF 14 WHEN WE ARE FULLY STAFFED AND THAT'S 12 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND TWO TEMPS IN OUR DIVISION.

YOU TAKE -- WE'VE GOT TWO YOUNG LADIES, KAREN TURNER AND SONIA.

THEY TAKE CARE OF QUITE A BIT. SONIA WORKS IN THIS FACILITY

FULL-TIME. >> AND THESE 14 PEOPLE OR 12

PEOPLE, WHAT IS THAT DIVISION? >> THAT'S FACILITIES

MAINTENANCE. >> SO IT'S MAINTENANCE FOR ALL

FACILITIES IN THE CITY. >> SO THEY DO TAKE CARE OF -- I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER BUT IT'S WELL OVER A HALF A MILLION-SQUARE-FOOT OF FACILITIES BUILDINGS, WE TAKE CARE OF PARKS, BOTH INLAND AND BEACHSIDE PARKS AS WELL AS OUR RIVERWALK CENTER AND ALL RESTROOM FACILITIES, BEACH ACCESSES, ALL MAINTENANCE FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF SUBSTATION, A LOT OF BUILDINGS, AND IN THE 12 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE, YOU TAKE SONIA AND KAREN OUT OF THE PICTURE, IT DROPS US TO 10 POINT YOU HAVE JOHN RHEINECKER, MY FOREMAN AND MYSELF, THAT WE DROP DOWN TO EIGHT AND THEN WE HAVE THE TWO LEAD POSITIONS AND ONE OPEN POSITION IS A LEAD POSITION UNDER JOHN, AS WELL. WE ARE SPREAD VERY, VERY THIN, AND OUR TWO TEMPS, AND WE ARE DOWN ONE TEMP, TOO, RIGHT NOW, SO WE'RE DOWN ONE FULL-TIME LEAD POSITION AND ONE TEMP BUT OUR TWO TEMPS, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY DO ALL OF OUR JANITORIAL WORK ON THE BEACH SIDE AND INLAND RESTROOMS FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE DAY. SO THAT'S ONE PERSON, FIVE HOURS. MINUS LUNCHES, BRAKES, EVERYTHING ELSE, FOUR HOURS THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL THE FACILITIES, BEACHSIDE AND INLAND PARKS. AND THEN WHEN THEY COMPLETE THAT IN THE AFTERNOONS , RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THEM OUT THERE, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH FULL-TIME, JUSTIN JANITORIAL.

BUT WE WOULD USE THEM ON OTHER WORK ORDERS AND PROJECTS THAT WE WORK ON INSIDE. FOR THE FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE I'VE PUT IN EVERY YEAR FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF IN FACILITIES. I'VE PUT IN FOR BUDGET INCREASES TO DO ADDITIONAL ABOVE AND BEYOND MAINTENANCE AND SOME CRITICAL STUFF THAT WE NEED. I HEAR THE CONVERSATIONS ON THE CONDITION OF SOME OF THESE FACILITIES.

THEY ARE TWOFOLD. YOUR BEACHSIDE FACILITIES, THOSE FACILITIES WEREN'T DESIGNED FOR THE VOLUME OF PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE, DAY IN AND DAY OUT, ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR. WE ARE GETTING INTO IT, IN THE SEASON. IT JUST ANNIHILATES THOSE RESTROOMS ON A DAY TO DAY BASIS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. AND IT IS A REAL CHALLENGE. SO WE'VE PUT IN FOR BUDGET INCREASES, BOTH FOR PERSONNEL AS WELL AS SOME CAPITAL MONEY TO DO UPGRADE FIXTURES, PARTITIONS IN THESE RESTROOMS, EPOXY FLOORS , ROOFS IN SOME CASES, AND IT'S ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE SAME THING.

THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR IT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE

AND WE'LL KEEP FIGHTING IT. >> AND YOU'RE SMILING ALL THE TIME, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. QUESTION? YES,

COMMISSIONER BRODRICK? >> FACILITIES MANAGEMENT BUSINESS, NOT PUBLIC/PRIVATE, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT. ON LISTENING TO THE DESCRIPTIVE OF YOUR SPACE REQUIREMENTS, OR YOUR SPACE RESPONSE ABILITIES AND FACILITIES THAT I'M AWARE OF, AND WITH THE STAFF THAT YOU HAVE IT'S SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE.

THAT'S THE REASON WHY THESE FACILITIES ARE IN THE CONDITION THAT THEY'RE IN. I KEEP RINGING THIS UP OVER AND OVER. CAP EX REQUIREMENTS, PUT THOSE ASIDE. THIS CAN BE SUBCONTRACTED OUT AS NEEDED BUT JUST THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE ON A DAILY BASIS WITH THE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOUR EVEN GETTING THAT DONE. I UNDERSTAND THOROUGHLY WHY THESE FACILITIES, THEY ARE IN THE CONDITION THAT THEY ARE IN. THANK YOU FOR BEING CANDID ABOUT IT BECAUSE AS THE GUY THAT DOES THIS ALL DAY,

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>> IT'S ON DENTAL MONUMENTAL TO ASK HIM FOR THE FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE IT'S DONE NOTHING BUT GROW, AND IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE A LOT OF THESE REGULAR MAINTENANCE NEEDS, THE COST -- YOU KNOW WHERE WE WERE LOOKING AT FIVE YEARS AGO, I PUT TOGETHER NUMBERS TO DO THE EPOXY FLOORS AS A START. BACK THEN YOU COULD GET IT DONE FOR 5 BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT. NOT NOW. IT'S THREE TIMES THAT NOW, LABOR AND MATERIALS. A LOT OF THOSE COSTS, INCLUDING ROOFS, ARE FIXTURES. PLUMBING FIXTURES ALONE YOU TALK ANOTHER PORCELAIN OR STAINLESS STEEL , A STAINLESS STEEL URINAL RIGHT NOW IS RUNNING US OVER $2000 POINT

>> THAT'S BEFORE TARIFFS. >> AND IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE.

SO WE NEED TO BE READY. >> MADAME MAYOR AND COMMISSION, I THINK THE MESSAGE IS CLEAR AND I THINK IT SUPPORTS PROJECTS SUCH AS THIS. THIS IS WHITE BECOMES SO IMPORTANT, THESE WHAT I WILL REFER TO AS LOW HANGING FRUIT AREAS THAT WE CAN TURN OVER TOMORROW, PRACTICALLY, WE REALLY NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THOSE AREAS. AS RICK AND JASON WERE STATING, SOME OF THIS IS JUST THE PLANNING COULD'VE BEEN BETTER. WE'VE GROWN EXPONENTIALLY. USAGE, AS YOU GUYS STATED, SINCE COVID. BUT RESTROOMS DO NORMAL NUMBERS WERE TO WHAT THEY COULD BE NOW HAVE INCREASED BY THOUSANDFOLD, SO TO SPEAK, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE USE IT.

THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME PLANNING AND SOME RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JASON HAS BEEN TASKED WITH IS JUST, AND I STATED EARLIER, LOOKING AT ACTUAL STAFF, LOOKING AT THE CITY OF FORT YEARS, LOOKING AT A GREEN SPACE FOOTPRINT, DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO DO THE JOB? THAT'S THE REALITY THAT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF. AND THEN HOW DO WE MOVE FORWARD? HOW DO WE STRATEGICALLY PLAN ON MOVING FORWARD, FUNDING THESE OPPORTUNITIES OR PUTTING OUR RFPS TO GET ASSISTANCE, KEEPING CITY STAFF AND MAYBE SOME OF OUR CORE SPACES. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OPTIONS AND THINGS WE REALLY HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT. BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT THE ACTUAL DATA, THE REAL DATA.

>> THREE DOLLARS POINT >> I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING.

I WANT TO THANK RICK FOR COMING IN AND SPEAKING. WE PUT HIM ON THE SPOT BUT I REALLY WANTED YOU TO HEAR FIRSTHAND FROM THOSE THAT ARE OUT THERE AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. IS GOING TO BE MY JOB TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND GIVE YOU AN ACCURATE NARRATIVE OF EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT'S IN FRONT OF US. SO IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE JUST TO GET OUT AND SEE SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT LISTENING TO STAFF AND SEEING EVERYTHING THAT'S IN FRONT OF US, IT WILL BE A CHALLENGE AND SOME OF WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU WILL HELP THAT OUT. AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT PUTTING TOGETHER, WHERE IT WILL FURTHER ENHANCE BUT ALSO MAKE THAT EXPERIENCE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THE VISITORS THAT MUCH MORE MISERABLE WHEN THEY COME OUT .

ACTUALLY YOU'RE HERE BUT YOU REALLY ENJOY AND MAYBE YOU'RE LIKE THIS IS VERY NICE. SO THAT'S OUR GOAL. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. SKELTON, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ADD?

>> NO, I JUST WOULD PUT OUT THERE THAT THE KEY TO THE PROGRAM IS GATHERING THE DATA TO SUBSTANTIATE CHANGES DOWN THE ROAD. SO OFTEN I'VE SEEN CITIES -- BECAUSE THERE WILL BE SOME FOLKS THAT PUSH BACK AGAINST THIS PROGRAM AND WILL FILE COMPLAINTS, I WOULD JUST CAUTION THE COMMISSION TO RESERVE YOUR JUDGMENT UNTIL WE HAVE A PERIOD OF TIME WHERE YOU HAVE ENOUGH DATA TO MAKE A PROPER DECISION.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT THE. SO YES SIR.

>> I JUST WANT TO KIND OF WRAP UP HERE AND I THINK THIS COMES BACK TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEE. WHAT ARE WE NOT DOING THAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING? AND THERE IS CLEARLY REASONS WHY THEY ARE DOING THAT. AND IT'S TIME THAT WE GET TO THE SAME PLACE OTHER PEOPLE ARE, OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE. I THINK I'M TIRED OF GETTING THESE UP DATES AND I'M READY TO JUST DO IT. LET'S GET THE PILOT PROGRAM STARTED. LET'S DO -- I THINK I'M AT A POINT, I KNOW I SUGGESTED THE END YOU WILL PERMIT I THINK I'D RATHER GET THE REAL HOURLY DATA IN THIS PILOT PART PROGRAM. SO I'M THINKING STRAIGHT HOURLY AND A DAILY RATE AND BE DONE WITH IT AND LET'S JUST --

>> NO PERMIT. >> NO PERMIT, LET'S JUST GET IT STARTED, SEE WHERE WE ARE AT AND WE CAN ALWAYS ADD THAT PERMIT IN SIX MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD IF WE WANT. BUT LET'S JUST GET IT GOING AND GET THE DATA, START RECORDING THIS, BECAUSE THE LONGER WE WAIT, THE LONGER WE ARE PUSHING THIS DOWN THE ROAD

YOU >> THE FURTHER BEHIND WE GET.

>> JUST DO IT. >> OKAY.

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>> IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE. >> REAL QUICK SOMETHING JUST CAME UP SO WITH THIS -- I'M RIGHT HERE, GUYS. REAL QUICK. WE JUST HEARD THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE STAFF TO DO WHAT WE WANT THEM TO DO SO CAN THIS MONEY , IF WE PUSHED THIS THROUGH ART WE GETTING THIS REVENUE OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO THIS REVENUE THAT WE ARE SEEING HERE, CAN THAT MONEY BE USED TO HIRE STAFF TO DO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO, OR IS THIS MONEY GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE ? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'LL HAVE A REVENUE, SOME TYPE OF REVENUE SOURCE. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE I SAY YES AND THEN WE GET SOME REVENUE, AND I STILL HAVE EIGHT PEOPLE TRYING TO RUN AROUND ALL OF FORT PIERCE, CLEANING ALL OF THESE BATHROOMS. SO JUST LIKE I SAID EARLIER WITH JUST POLICE IMPACT FEE, IS IT GOING TO GO WHERE IT'S GOING OR CAN WE BE COMMITTED TO GOING WHERE IT'S GOING WHILE WE GET HERE? AND WE GET THIS MONEY AND OH, WAIT A MINUTE, LET'S PUT IT OVER HERE, LET'S DO THIS, AND I STILL HAVE THESE PROBLEMS WITH THE SPEECH.

SO BEFORE WE SAY YES OR NO, I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION TO THIS COMMISSION, NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT, BUT I DON'T WANT WE GET SOME MONEY AND THEN WE DON'T ADDRESS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE ALL SAYING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION PER KOCAN IT BE DONE OR ARE WE --

>> I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION. I THINK THAT'S THE INTENTION AND IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WANT TO CHIME IN HERE.

>> MADAME MAYOR, COMMISSIONER GAINS, SO WHAT I WANT TO FOCUS ON TODAY IS GETTING THE CONTRACT COMPLETED AND MOVE FORWARD.

WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS ON THE BACKSIDE WE ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH FIRST OFF AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT FOR A PARKING ORDINANCE AND ALSO A RESOLUTION FOR THE FEES. AND IN THAT RESOLUTION WE CAN INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS DESIGNATION OF THE FUNDS AND WHATNOT. SO TODAY WE NEED TO FOCUS ON IS GETTING THE CONTRACT FINALIZED AND I BELIEVE WHAT WE ARE COMING DOWN TO, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM YOU TODAY, IS WE'VE IDENTIFIED ALL THE PROBLEMS AND NOW WE ARE COMING TO A SOLUTION, AND DO WE WANT TO THE HOURLY DAILY FEE OR HOURLY DAILY YEARLY FEE? THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE CONTRACT SO THAT'S THE FINAL ANSWER I

BELIEVE WE ARE LOOKING FOR. >> WHAT HE WANTS TO KNOW IS ANY MONEY WE GET, IS IT GOING FOR THAT? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT

WE INTENDED. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> BUT I THINK MR. ATKINSON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.

>> SOME OF MY EXPERIENCE , WHEN I STARTED WHEN I FIRST GOT INTO CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION WAS WITH A VERY LARGE CITY DOWN SOUTH.

PART OF THAT PARKING MONEY WOULD GO TOWARDS THE MAINTENANCE OF WHEREVER THE PARKING AREA IS, THE PARKS AND WHEREVER IT MAY BE, AND IT DEFINITELY OFFSETS. AND IT'S GOOD MONEY THAT GOES

TOWARDS IT. >> MAY NOT PAY FOR EVERYTHING

BUT IT GOES TOWARDS IT. >> WE HAVE, FOR INSTANCE, WE HAVE ONE TREE TRIMMER IN THE CITY, ONE TREE TRIMMER, AND I WAS OUT THERE, LOOKING AT TREES AND WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.

THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN DO ALL OF THOSE TREES. SO PART OF THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING AT IS TO CLEAN UP THE TREES, GO THROUGH AND TRIM THE TREES, AND GET THEM LOOKING GOOD, AND THE PARKS. IT'S GOT COCONUTS, WHICH IS A HAZARD. WE GO THROUGH THERE, THEN THIS WOULD OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS THAT WE CAN PUT FORWARD TO TAKE CARE OF THE TREES, WHETHER IT BE -- I THINK I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT DOWNTOWN OR THERE WAS NOTHING DOWNTOWN MENTIONED . NOTHING DOWNTOWN? OKAY, WHEREVER WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING THAT, THEN WE CAN OFFSET WITH THAT AND THEN WE CAN USE OUR REGULAR STAFF AND FOCUS ON DOWNTOWN, AND THEN MAYBE THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE MONEY. THAT WAY IT'S EASILY A SIGN. THAT'S THE GOALS BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER, WHETHER IT'S ENTERPRISE FUND OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT IS CLEARLY LABELED, YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING IS

TRANSPARENCY FOR EVERYBODY. >> THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING FOR MADAME MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONER, I JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY I ASKED A QUESTION AND THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO. THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO TOWARD THESE BEACHES,

THESE THREE BEACHES, AND -- >> WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.

>> WHERE IT'S COMING FROM TO FIX THE AREAS THAT WE ARE HAVING. SO COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, I AGREE WITH YOU. I DON'T LIKE KICKING ANYTHING DOWN THE ROAD. I JUST DON'T. HOWEVER, I LIKE THEM. YOU LIKE THE ONE DAILY, I MEAN THE ONE HOURLY. I LIKE THE OPTION TO GIVE THE PUBLIC THE OUR DAILY AND MONTHLY, YEARLY, ANNUAL, I LIKE TO GIVE THE PUBLIC OPTION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MESSES UP NUMBERS BUT IT JUST GIVES THE PUBLIC SOMETHING TO DO. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE THAT GO THERE EVERY DAY AND IF IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO PAY ANNUAL, YOU KNOW, AND BE STILL

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MONTHLY, WHAT IS IT -- >> AN ANNUAL PERMIT.

>> ANNUAL BUT THEY GO -- YOU SAY YOU WENT TWICE, YOU DON'T GO EVERY MONTH, I GET IT, ONCE A MONTH, EVERY OTHER MONTH, I GET THAT. SO I MIGHT NOT WANT TO OPT IN FOR AN ANNUAL. BUT THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW WHAT I SAY. YOU KNOW IT MIGHT BE CHEAPER FOR US TO JUST DO THAT AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT AND HAVE IT BUT I'D RATHER HAVE THAT OPTION THEN, BECAUSE IF YOU GO HOURLY, DAILY, AND YOU GO, FOR SOME REASON YOU JUST FALL IN LOVE WITH THE BEACH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PRICE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT NOW BUT YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH THE BEACH FOR ONE MONTH OUT OF THE YEAR, YOU'VE PAID THE ANNUAL. SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? SO I'D RATHER GIVE THEM THE OPTION. THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M

COMING FROM. >> A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, ONE IS THAT COMMISSIONER GAINS, I DO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. I RUN THROUGH THAT PARK THREE TIMES A WEEK AT 5:30 IN THE MORNING.

THERE IS A GROUP OF FISHERMEN OUT THERE EVERY DAY. SO I THINK THE ANNUAL PASS WOULD BE ADVISABLE. BUT ON THE FUNDING SIDE OF THIS, I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN SEGREGATE THE FUNDS. IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND. ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO KNOW THAT WE ARE FUNDING THOSE PARKS WITH AN ADDITIONAL X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS ANNUALLY THAT WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, COMING INTO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO FUND THOSE OPERATIONS. BUT AGAIN, FIRST, I'M NOT A PROPONENT OF SAYING, HEY, ON THIS PARTICULAR MATTER WE'RE GOING TO GENERATE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, WE'RE GOING TO DEDICATE IT SOLELY TO THAT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THAT LUXURY. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, ARE GOING TO BE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE GENERATING X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE COMING IN TO OFFSET EXPENSES, INCREASED EXPENDITURES FOR THE PARKS, BECAUSE WE NEED ADDITIONAL STAFF OR ADDITIONAL RESOURCES, ET CETERA. SO I THINK EVEN THE WE'RE GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FACT THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO COMMIT FUNDS TO THAT, WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO DEDICATE THAT FUNDING STREAM TO THAT, UNLIKE THE POLICE IMPACT FEE, WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO THAT POINT OF THIS

GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND. >> THIS IS BY STATE STATUTE .

>> YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? WE ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THOSE FUNDS ARE COMING IN TO DO THAT BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SEGREGATED IN THE INCOME STRUCTURE OF THE BUDGET TO SAY THIS CONDITIONAL $300,000 IS SPECIFIALLY IDENTIFIED FOR THIS.

>> I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO THE GENERAL BUDGET. WHAT I DON'T WANT IS SIX MONTHS DOWN OR A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD, I'M JUST USING A NUMBER ON HER PRESENTATION. WE GOT 281 POINT SAY WE GET $281,000 AND THEN WE GET TO SOMEWHERE AND WE SPEND $80,000 TOWARD THIS PROJECT. NOT SAYING WE WOULD DO THAT .

>> I'M SURE THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS IS GOING TO REMIND US ON THAT COMING IN, WHAT HE WANTS IN HIS BUDGET.

>> I AGREE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE WOULD DO THAT IF IT COMES AND IT HAPPENS THEN WHAT WE SAID TO GET THESE PEOPLE -- I DON'T

WANT THAT HEADACHE. >> I'M COMPLETELY IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU. I KNOW ECKLEY WHERE YOU ARE GOING WITH THAT. I JUST THINK THE LOGISTICS OF IT ARE A PROBLEM .

>> I NEED SOME INPUT FROM YOU, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON.

>> NO, I'M GOOD. >> ARE YOU GOOD FOR WHAT?

>> I SAID ALL THREE. >> THREE?

>> ALL THREE OPTIONS TO GO WITH --

>> HOW ABOUT YOU? >> I KNOW I HAD SUGGESTED THE ANNUAL PERMIT BUT I FEEL LIKE BECAUSE THIS IS SPECIFICALLY TO GET THE DATA WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES, THAT THAT'S REALLY GOING TO SKEW OUR DATA. BECAUSE THOSE FISHERMEN, THEY ARE TAKING UP A PARKING SPOT ALL DAY. WE DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THEY'RE THERE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS THEY ARE THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOOD FOR THE REVENUE AND SAVING MONEY FOR THE RESIDENCE.

BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE HOW MANY CARS WE HAVE THERE IN THE PARKING SPOTS, THAT ANNUAL PERMIT IS GOING TO SKEW THAT DATA. AM I WRONG? IF THEY ARE THERE -- IF THEY WERE THERE FOR 24 HOURS IT'S GOING TO SKEW WHATEVER DATA IS, OR ARE THEY NOT THERE AT ALL? ARE THEY CHECKING IN WITH THE ANNUAL PASS

OR ARE THEY JUST THERE? >> THE DATA ITSELF WILL NOT BE SKEWED. YOU WILL STILL KNOW WHO IS USING YOUR PARKS, HOW FREQUENTLY, AND FOR HOW LONG. WHAT WILL CHANGE IS THE BEHAVIOR. IF YOU ALLOW PEOPLE TO HAVE AN ANNUAL PERMIT THAT ALLOWS THEM TO PARK 24/7, YOU WILL SEE DIFFERENT BEHAVIOR THAN IF YOU WERE TO PAY BY THE HOUR. NOBODY CAN SAY EXACTLY WHAT THE BEHAVIOR WILL BE BUT THE DATA WILL BE THERE, WITH OR WITHOUT

THE PERMITS. >> THE ANNUAL PERMIT HOLDER, THEY'LL LIKE CHECK IN WHEN THEY GET THERE WITH THE PERMIT OR SUGGEST SOMETHING IN THEIR WINDOW?

>> EVERYTHING WILL BE LICENSE PLATES SO IF YOU DO GO WITH THE PERMIT PLAN AND YOU BUY A PERMIT YOUR LICENSE PLATE WILL BE IN THE SYSTEM. SO THE AMBASSADORS, WHEN THEY PATROL THE PARKING AREAS, THEY WILL ACTUALLY SCAN ALL THE LICENSE PLATES. SO WE'LL

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SOMEONE WHO HASN'T PAID? >> WE WILL STILL BE LOVING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY ARE GOING TO BE THERE PER DAY?

>> AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF TIME THERE, WE WILL HAVE THE PAYMENT DATA SO IF I BUY THREE HOURS OF PARKING, DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN I WAS THERE FOR 3 HOURS. WE WILL ALSO HAVE THE INCREMENTAL SKIN. SO IF I PATROL THE LOT EVERY HOUR OR HOUR AND A HALF, I'LL SEE HOW MANY CARS WERE THERE AT BOTH OF THOSE SCANS SO

WE CAN ADD DATA TOGETHER. >> I MET WITH THE ANNUAL PASS, WE'LL STILL BE ABLE TO TRACK HOW LONG THEY'RE ACTUALLY THERE

PER DAY? >> NOT TO THE MINUTE WE'LL HAVE GOOD STATISTICS FOR THE FREQUENCY OF USE.

>> I FEEL BETTER ABOUT THAT, THEN.

>> THE ANNUAL PASS MIGHT HELP THIS MAKE A LITTLE MORE PALATABLE FOR THE FREQUENT USER.

>> IS THAT $60 COMPARABLE WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT YOU

USE? >> I THINK STAFF NEEDS TO GET BACK TO US ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM BUT I JUST WANT TO REALLY HAVE THEM DELVE INTO THAT.

>> THEY WILL GIVE YOU TWO COMPARABLES. VOLUSIA COUNTY JUST INSTITUTED PAID PARKING IN THEIR 65 PARKING LOTS. THEY OFFER $100 ANNUAL PASS USE OF THOSE LOTS. IF YOU GO TO DESTIN IT'S $240 SO THERE IS A RANGE THERE. 60 I THINK WOULD BE THE MODERATE,

LOWER END OF THE SCALE. >> COMMISSIONER, I WOULD ALSO ADD IF IT'S ACCORDING TO MISS PEGGY, THE STATE PARK, THAT WAS THE BASIS AND I THINK SOMEONE STATED THAT WAS THE BASIS. IF IT STAYED 60 AND OUR TICKET FOR A VIOLATION IS 50, THAT'S --

>> THAT KIND OF STUCK OUT TO ME, PARKING THERE AND THEY JUST PAY

IT. >> $60 FOR THE YEAR AND $50 FOR

A VIOLATION FOR ONE DAY. >> I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO DECIDE THAT TODAY. I THINK WHAT WE DO DECIDE TODAY IS OUR WE GOING TO HAVE THAT OPTION AND IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE I'M HEARING EVERYBODY AGREED WITH THAT AND SO IS THAT -- DO YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE FROM THIS, MISS

>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, MADAME MAYOR. I THINK WE ARE READY TO FINALIZE THIS CONTRACT AND MOVE FORWARD. THE NEXT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

>> DO WE NEED AN ACTUAL FORMAL MOTION ON THIS, MR. JOHNSON?

>> I THINK CONSENSUS, YOU'RE NOT ACTUALLY APPROVING ANYTHING TODAY . IT WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FINAL CONTRACT.

>> THE FINAL CONTRACT WILL COME FORWARD FOR A VOTE.

>> OKAY. WE ARE DOING THIS THING SO LET'S GET READY. LET'S DO A

GOOD JOB COMMUNICATING. >> GO AHEAD AND CLEAR THIS.

>> OKAY. YOU NEED NOTHING ELSE FROM US, RIGHT? THANK YOU VERY

MUCH FOR BEING WITH US. >> BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT

[c. Discussion regarding City Manager contract. ]

>> I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MOVE US THROUGH.

>> SO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY

MANAGER CONTRACT. >> OKAY. MR. JOHNSON, ARE YOU

STARTING THIS OFF? >> YES MA'AM. MR. CHESTED REACH OUT TO US WITH REGARD TO THE CITY MANAGER CONTRACT, REGARD TO THE AMOUNT SPECIFICALLY. I BELIEVE THIS MEETING WAS SPECIFIC TO THE SALARY NEGOTIATION ASPECT. I WILL HAND IT OVER TO MS. FELICIA TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BUT PRIOR TO DOING THAT I WILL LIKE TO READ THE EMAIL STATEMENT THAT HE WANTED TO CONVEY TO THE BOARD, IF THAT'S OKAY, READ THAT EMAIL TO THE BOARD. THIS IS WHAT HE STATES. HE SAYS I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE AND BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY CONTRIBUTING TO THE GROWTH OF ONE FT. PIERCE. HAVING SEEN THE PRIOR COMMISSION MEETINGS AND HEARING THE COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A SALARY ADJUSTMENT. I AM WILLING TO COMPROMISE AND PROPOSE A BASE SALARY OF $200,000 PER YEAR. ADDITIONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST A PERFORMANCE REVIEW AFTER SIX MONTHS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF MY PERFORMANCE MEETS OR EXCEEDS EXPECTATIONS, I WILL BE ENTITLED TO A 5% SALARY INCREASE. I BELIEVE THIS ADJUSTMENT THAT ARE ALIGNS WITH THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

RESPECTFULLY, RICHARD D CHEST. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS.

FELICIA? >> I APOLOGIZE, FELICIA HORMAN ON BEHALF OF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND I APOLOGIZE MR. JOHNSON, THIS WILL HAVE TO COME FROM MS. HEDGES HERSELF. I WAS NOT GIVEN UP DATE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S

OFFICE. >> WE ARE ALL HAPPY TO MEET YOU AND HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MS. HOLLIMAN, RIGHT? OKAY. ALREADY. DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER

BRODRICK. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL START OFF. I MISSED THE LAST MEETING AND THANK YOU FOR MY

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IS THE CITY MANAGER'S POSITION IN FT. PIERCE BEING LOOKED UPON AS A STEPPINGSTONE , TO GET IT ON A RESUME AS A CITY MANAGER, TO MOVE TO BIGGER AND BETTER POSITIONS ELSEWHERE? BECAUSE LOGICALLY I STILL CAN'T SQUARE UP THE CONCEPT OF TAKING A 7.5% PAY CUT TO COME WORK IN THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE, IN WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE A RATHER CHALLENGING POSITION. AND THE DURATION OF TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO GET UP TO SPEED, TO EXECUTE IN THAT POSITION, IS MY CONCERN, AND THEN OUTWARDLY THE DURATION OF TIME HE'S GOING TO REMAIN EMPLOYED IN THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE. I'M NOT GOING TO GET ANY ANSWERS TO ANY OF THOSE BASTIONS, OR INQUIRIES, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I'M JUST EXPRESSING TO THE COMMISSION MY CONCERNS AFTER WATCHING YOUR DELIBERATIONS AND THEN EXTRAPOLATING THAT INFORMATION TO THE NEXT LOGICAL LEVEL LIKE WHY IS THIS HAPPENING BECAUSE COMMISSIONER GAINS MADE A VERY IMPASSIONED POINT ON THE SALARY REQUEST AND I TOOK THAT TO HEART. SAID OKAY, WE'VE GOT TO DO SOME ANALYTICAL WORK HERE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON WITH THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCLUSIONS. ON JUST EXPRESS TO YOU MY CONCERNS. A TWO-YEAR STINT OR A THREE-YEAR STINT OR A THREE AND THREE-QUARTER YEAR

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TO REALIZE OUR -- >> FULL POTENTIAL.

>> FULL POTENTIAL, THANK YOU, JAMES. THAT WAS MY TAKE ON THAT AND I THOUGHT YOUR DISCUSSION WAS OUTSTANDING. AND THE THOUGHT PROCESS THAT YOU FOLKS PUT INTO IT WAS REALLY IMPRESSIVE. I WAS SITTING ON THE COUCH DRINKING A VODKA AT THE TIME SO IT WAS EASY

FOR ME . >> SO IMPRESSED YOU.

>> I WAS IMPRESSED BUT THAT'S MY CONCERN FOR GOING GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS ON THAT,

AS WELL POINT >> SINCE IT WAS ME THAT STARTED HIM THINKING, YEAH I BROUGHT THAT UP, I DID SAY THAT TO WAKE EVERYBODY UP. HOWEVER, I LOOK AT IT DIFFERENTLY. YOU LOOK AT IT, COMMISSIONER BRODRICK, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT MR. CHESS WATCHED OUR MEETING AND HE TOOK IN CONSIDERATION OUR CONCERNS ABOUT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS, OUR CONCERNS FROM THE MAYOR AND COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, TO THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE OTHER DIRECT OTHERS, OTHER, YOU KNOW, CHARTER EMPLOYEES, AND THEIR SALARIES, AND HE TOOK IT -- FROM WHAT -- LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR. I HAVE NOT RECAPPED AND SPOKEN TO MR. CHESS . I HAVE NOT, WILL NOT UNTIL THIS IS OVER WITH. BUT FOR MY UNDERSTANDING, HE IS READY TO COME TO FT. PIERCE TO SHOW EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION WHAT HE WANTS TO DO TO BETTER FT. PIERCE. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT QUESTION, YOUR CONCERNS YOU HAVE, COMMISSIONER BRODRICK WASN'T ASKED IN HIS INTERVIEW. I ASKED HIM THAT POINT BLANK QUESTION. THIS WOULD BE IF YOU ARE AWARDED THIS POSITION, THIS WOULD BE YOUR FIRST TIME AS A CITY MANAGER. ARE YOU LOOKING TO STAY HERE TWO, THREE YEARS, AND PUT US BACK IN THIS POSITION.

HIS ANSWER WAS, COMMISSIONER, I'M WILLING TO BE A CITY OF FORT PIERCE CITY MANAGER AS LONG AS THE CITY WANTS ME.

>> TORNADO WARNING. >>

>> ALL RIGHT. SO I ASKED THAT QUESTION. THAT WAS THE ANSWER THAT I GOT. AS FAR AS NUMBERS , I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT NUMBERS. I'LL GET TO HIS LAST ONE IN A MINUTE. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT NUMBERS. SARAH IS NOT HERE. SHE'S TRYING TO

GET BACK HERE. >> AS A PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY, WHEN I SEND OUT MY DEMAND LETTERS, MY NUMBERS ARE HIGH BECAUSE I HAVE A NUMBER IN MY HEAD THAT MY CLIENT HAS TOLD ME, HE OR SHE WOULD ACCEPT TO SETTLE. ME AS A PLAINTIFF'S ATTORNEY, I START HIGH, TO NEGOTIATE, TO GET TO THAT

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IT'S NOT WORKING. OR HE COULD COME IN AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I BIT OFF MORE THAN I THOUGHT I WOULD. THIS IS NOT FIT. WE DON'T KNOW THAT. SO FOR HIM TO COME INTO SAY TO ME, IT'S LIKE I REALLY WANT TO COME SHOW THE FIVE OF THEM THAT I WANT TO BE IN FORT PIERCE, SO MUCH THAT I'M WILLING TO GO FROM 215 TO 200, 200 IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, TO SHOW THEM WHAT I WANT POINT NOW ME, I DON'T KNOW IF I COULD'VE DROPPED THAT. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I WOULD HAVE BECAUSE I HAVE TAKEN POSITIONS OR I HAVE TAKEN POSITIONS IN ORGANIZATIONS OR CASES, SO TO SPEAK, THAT I KNOW I WASN'T GOING TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. HOWEVER, I TOOK IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO PROVE SOMETHING TO A COMPANY OR WHATEVER. SO I SEE IT A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOU DO AND I HOPE THAT YOUR GUT IS TELLING YOU THAT IT'S NOTHING BREWING, THAT IT'S GOING TO COME UP AND WE ARE HERE . I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE IN FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE DOWN IN BROWARD COUNTY. I SIT HERE, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. SO THEY ARE LYING TO YOU. LET ME TAKE THAT BACK. IF THEY ARE NOT TELLING ME THE WHOLE FACTS, THEN THAT'S ON ME, BUT I'VE DONE THAT, RESEARCHED IT AS OUTSIDE OF, SPEAKING TO HIM BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO HIM UNTIL ALL THIS IS DONE OR THEY MAKE A DECISION, OTHER PEOPLE THAT I'VE WORKED WITH HIM, I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT SO I CAN LET YOU KNOW FROM THE PEOPLE I'VE TALKED TO DOWN IN BROWARD COUNTY, THERE WAS NOTHING BREWING. I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT. SO I TAKE IT AS HE'S WILLING TO COME HERE TO SHOW US THAT HE WANTS TO BE HERE AND I DON'T WANT TO USE HIM SAYING THAT YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M WILLING TO DROP THAT TO 200 TO SHOW EVERYBODY, TO USE IT AGAINST HIM, BECAUSE THAT'S A DECISION HE MADE AND HE HAD TO TALK TO HIS FAMILY, WIFE OR WHATEVER IT IS TO MAKE THAT DECISION. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING. I GET YOU. THAT'S WHERE I'M GOING PER GO IT WAS -- IF IT WAS HEATED IT WAS LIKE WHEN I MADE THE COMMENT, ARE WE REALLY SERIOUS ASKING SOMEBODY THAT WE ALL KNEW, WHAT HIS SALARY WAS POINT THEN, LIKE YOU DID, I WENT BACK AND WATCHED. I WENT BACK AND WATCHED IT ALSO BECAUSE SOMETIMES UP HERE YOU GET EMOTIONAL AND YOU TALK AND I KIND OF AGREE, HIM APPLYING HERE, HE KNEW WHAT WE WERE. HE KNEW WE ARE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, WE ARE NOT BROWARD COUNTY POINT WE ARE NOT PALM BEACH COUNTY. SOMETHING YOU SAID ALL DAY, PAY TO PLAY, WE ARE NOT PUTTING IT ON THE CITY MANAGER THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE NOW, PAY TO PLAY AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, WE ARE NOT

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>> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY QUICKLY, I HAVE NO BASIS OF ANY INFORMATION DISPARAGING , REGARDING HIS CURRENT POSITION OR STATUS IN BROWARD COUNTY. I HAVE NOTHING. THIS IS SIMPLY SPECULATION ON MY PART. I WANT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR.

>> WE ARE FINE, AND LIKE I SAID, JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVEN'T

TALKED TO HIM. >> I WANT TO BRING SOMEBODY ELSE IN HERE, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR, YOU READY TO TALK?

>> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT. I CAN DEFINITELY APPRECIATE WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM AND IT WASN'T A PERSPECTIVE THAT I IMMEDIATELY SAW BUT BECAUSE I SAW THIS AS I'M APPLYING FOR THIS JOB AND THIS IS THE RANGE, AND THE RANGE GETS NEGOTIATED, I COULD CARE LESS WHAT YOU WERE MAKING BEFORE BECAUSE THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. HE WASN'T A CITY MANAGER IN HIS CURRENT ROLE. THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WORLD, DIFFERENT INDUSTRY. AND THAT ALSO JUSTIFIED, FOR ME, THE REASON WHY HE WAS WILLING TO TAKE A PAY CUT, IN MY EYES, AND MOSTLY BECAUSE OF MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. SALARY WASN'T THE NUMBER ONE DECIDING FACTOR HER ON MANY JOBS THAT I'VE HAD AND I MADE A PRETTY BIG CHANGE ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, AND I TOOK 10% OR 12% DECREASE IN PAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T LIKE WHERE I WAS, I DIDN'T LIKE THE JOB I WAS DOING. I WANTED TO MAKE A CHANGE AND I CHANGED INDUSTRIES, AND I MOVED INTO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DIRECTION. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE PERSPECTIVE I SAW AND I WAS TELLING SOMEONE THAT AND SAW THE THING IN THE NEWSPAPER. I SAID IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S GOING TO TAKE THE $200,000 AFTER I SPOKE WITH MADAME ATTORNEY AND FIRST THING THEY SAID WAS WELL, THAT'S SUSPICIOUS AND I HADN'T EVEN -- LIKE WEIGHT, IS IT SUSPICIOUS? STARTED CHANGING MY -- AND THEN I BROUGHT MYSELF BACK TO WHY I WAS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN THAT, TAKING A JOB FOR LOWER PAY, AND I FEEL I GET A LITTLE BETTER FEELING BECAUSE HE WAS THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED THE FIVE-YEAR COMMITMENT IN THE CONTRACT, WHICH WE ARE NOT -- IT'S BY NO MEANS KEEPING HIM HERE FOR 5 YEARS GUARANTEED BUT HE HAD SUGGESTED THAT PRIOR TO THE SALARY NEGOTIATIONS. BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THE PERSPECTIVE WHERE -- I HATE TO BE NEGATIVE HERE BUT IT FEELS TO ME LIKE THE CITY IS IN CRISIS MODE AND WE NEED SOMEBODY IN THIS TRANSITION PERIOD TO GET US THROUGH IT. AND IF THAT MEANS HE'S ONLY HERE FOR THREE YEARS AND THAT AND THE, THEN THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT TO GET SOMEONE IN HERE QUICK. WE ARE IN -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY CRISIS MODE, I GUESS THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WORD THAT WE ARE KIND OF LIKE IN TRIAGE ALL THESE THINGS HAVE COME TO LIGHT IN THIS. THE CURTAIN IS OPENED AND WE'VE GOT TO GET CONSISTENT LEADERSHIP IN HERE. AND I FEEL LIKE AFTER THAT TWO OR THREE YEARS PERIOD THAN YOU COULD BECOME COMPLACENT OR YOU'VE LEARNED TOO MUCH AND YOU'VE BECOME PART OF THE SYSTEM. THAT'S WHY THE LENGTH OF MOST CITY MANAGERS IS ONLY A FOUR TO FIVE YEAR PERIOD AND WE WANT WILL BE ON THAT WITH OUR PREVIOUS ONE AND WE PAID FOR IT, JUST GOING TO SAY THAT. IT SHOULD OF BEEN -- WE SHOULD OF MADE A CHANGE LONG BEFORE THIS EVER EVEN HAPPENED IN AUGUST LAST YEAR AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO FINALLY GETTING PAST THAT AND CLOSING THAT WOUND, AND MOVING FORWARD. AND WE MADE A DECISION WHERE RIGHT OR WRONG, AND WE'LL ALL KNOW PRETTY QUICK. WE'VE GOT AT SIX MONTH PROBATIONARY PERIOD. WE COME BACK AND LOOK AT IT AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE A STEPPINGSTONE FOR HIM, IF HE WANTS TO COME HERE, MAYBE HE'S REALLY GOOD AT THIS, AND WE ALL HOPE HE WILL BE, AND HE WANTS TO ADVANCE HIS CAREER, HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT.

I JUST FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT TO GET HIM IN HERE QUICK. WE'VE GOT TO GET SOMEBODY IN THERE QUICK AND MOVE FORWARD SO WE CAN GET PAST THIS PERIOD. AND I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. I TOOK IT AS A POSITIVE WHEN MADAME ATTORNEY CALLED. I SAID OKAY, THAT FELT LIKE A WIN TO ME THAT WE MADE THE MOTION TO NEGOTIATE AND THAT WAS THE PROCESS, AND WE NEGOTIATED, AND WE GOT TO THE PLACE WHERE WE ALL COULD BE COMFORTABLE AND NOW WE CAN ALL GET TOGETHER AND IMPACT THAT, SUPPORT THEM AND GET THIS

DONE, SO I'M HAPPY. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, YOU

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WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? >> I WANT TO START WITH THE LAST POINT. I THINK THAT IT DOESN'T TROUBLE ME. IT'S A LIVED EXPERIENCE. I, TOO HAVE TAKEN JOBS, MOVED ACROSS COUNTRY, TAKINGLESS MONEY, ET CETERA. THINGS ARE MOTIVATED BY DIFFERENT POINTS AND PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING TO EXPAND THEIR CAREER AND OPPORTUNITIES. WHAT I SAW WAS I SAW A PERSON WHO HAD BEEN IN A ROLE AS A CITY MANAGER, ALTHOUGH IT WAS INTERIM. BUT THAT LIVED EXPERIENCE ALONE WITH THE OTHER COUPLE EXPERIENCES I SAW THERE, I WAS OKAY WITH IT. I SAW US PUT A WIDE RANGE OUT THERE IN PUBLIC .1 THAT WAS PUBLIC FACING AND ONE THAT WAS INTERNAL, AND THAT WASN'T QUITE THE BEST LOOK FOR US, I WOULD AGREE. BUT I'M HAPPY THAT WE HAVE SOMEONE THAT IS MOTIVATED AND WILLING TO COME IN AND HELP SUPPORT THE MOVEMENT OF FORT PIERCE FORWARD ON FORT PIERCE. I THINK HE'S EXHIBITING THAT. I THINK THE OTHER PART WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT YOU LOOK NO FURTHER TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE NORTH. WHEN THINGS CHANGE UP HERE, THAT'S WHEN STUFF CHANGES, AS WELL. SO YOU MAY SAY HE MAY HAVE FIVE YEARS BUT THEIR ELECTIONS COMING UP. ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES AND WE'VE SEEN JUST WITHIN THE LAST WEEK, THIS WEEK THAT THINGS HAVE CHANGED AS A RESULT OF PEOPLE WHO SIT UP HERE. BUT I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US, NOT HIM, TO MAKE SURE HE GETS GOOD DIRECTION AND SUPPORT BECAUSE IT'S THE FIVE OF US AND WE HAVE THREE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS THAT WE HELP SET POLICY FOR THE CITY AND WE EXPECT THEM TO CARRY THAT OUT SO IT'S UPON US TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE SUPPORTING BUT WE ARE ALSO DEFINING WHAT WE NEED TO SEE AND WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE ADDRESSED WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CITY. SO I NEED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GET A FEELING THAT HE HAS TO COME IN AND WALK ON WATER TO GET A STAMP OF APPROVAL FROM US. HE HAS TO COME IN AS A CITY MANAGER, AND HIS AGENDA COMES WHEN WE SIT WITH HIM ONCE A WEEK AND SIT WITH OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, AND TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE SEE, AND HAVE HIM ALSO COME WITH THINGS THAT HE'S UNCOVERED THAT WE NEED TO GET ADDRESSED. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CONVERSATION AND IT DOESN'T TROUBLE ME AT ALL THAT HE HAS DONE THIS BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY MAYBE HE DIDN'T WANT TO DRIVE 30-45 MINUTES TO GET TO HIS JOB, WHERE IF HE LIVES IN FT. PIERCE IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT A SEVEN MINUTE DRIVE TO GET TO CITY HALL. THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES ME. PEOPLE ARE MOTIVATED BY WHATEVER MAKES THEIR LIFE AT A POINT, AND I DIDN'T EXPLORE MUCH OF THAT BUT I EXPLORED SOME OF THAT IN MY INTERVIEW. AND WHAT I'VE UNCOVERED IS THAT HE'S LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF A COMMUNITY, TO MAKE IMPACT, AND I THINK WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WHEN THIS GETS SETTLED AS WE MOVE FORWARD SO THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT'S UPON THE FIVE OF US WORKING WITH HIM AND WORKING WITH OUR STAFF AND IT'S UPON THE OTHER CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS WORKING WITH HIM, AS WELL, WHEN HE COMES IN. BECAUSE PRIOR TO THAT, AND THE WAY WE GOT IN THE SITUATION, THAT WASN'T HAPPENING. AT ALL. LET'S JUST BE FRANK. THAT WAS NOT HAPPENING AND WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF SIDELOAD MENTALITY IN CITY HALL. I'M NOT GOING TO ALLOW FOR IT.

I'VE GOT TO FORCE IT TOGETHER MYSELF, I WILL.

>> WILL IT TAKES 2 FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN AND SO IF I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE CHARTER OFFICERS AS FAR AS I COULD TELL WERE ALWAYS WORKING WELL TOGETHER BUT WE HAVE FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF COMMUNICATION SITUATION, IS THAT

WHAT YOU ARE SAYING? >> FROM THAT ASPECT, YES.

>> AND IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD CERTAIN -- ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY ATTORNEY POSITION, WHERE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER DIDN'T ALWAYS HAVE THE BEST OF RELATIONSHIPS BUT IT DOES TAKE -- IT TAKES EVERYBODY BEING WILLING TO DO THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE CHARTER OFFICERS RIGHT NOW WHO ARE EXTREMELY WILLING TO DO THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AND PROFESSIONALISM THAT'S BEEN SHOWN BY OUR CURRENT CHARTER OFFICERS HAS IMPRESSED ME WITH THEIR WILLINGNESS TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE A BETTER PLACE, WHATEVER IT TAKES IN THEIR ROLES, BECAUSE THEY'RE COMMITTED TO THE CITY OF FORT

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PIERCE. I WANT THIS PLACE TO REACH ITS POTENTIAL. MS. HEDGES ALSO. AND THOSE ARE THE CHARTER OFFICERS I TALKED TO SO WHATEVER WE DECIDE TODAY, WE'VE GOT TO REALIZE AS A COMMISSION THAT WE -- OUR STAFF DESERVES OUR SUPPORT. SO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY. SO SOMEBODY NEEDS TO -- YOU ARE RIGHT. I'VE HEARD OTHER PEOPLE SAY, OH NO, NOW YOU GUYS GET TO FIGHT ALL THE TIME. NO, YOU TAKE A VOTE AND YOU MOVE ON, YOU KNOW? YOU TAKE A VOTE AND YOU MOVE ON AND YOU LEARN SOMETHING. I'VE LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT ALL MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS IN THIS PARTICULAR PROCESS. MOST OF IT GOOD.

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>> MOST OF IT. >> FAIR. MADAM MAYOR, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION BUT I'M PUZZLED AND I'M GLAD YOU SAID WHAT YOU SAID BUT I'M SITTING HERE SO I'M TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT STAFF BEING

BLAMED AND EMPLOYEES BEING -- >> I MAY NOT RESPOND BECAUSE WE'VE ONLY GOT 10 MINUTES AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FUTURE. I KNOW, I KNOW PER GO I'M NOT SAYING, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR.

>> I WASN'T EITHER BUT I'LL LEAVE THAT ALONE FOR THE TIME

BEING. >> SO I GUESS ESTHER JOHNSON, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR US TODAY? BECAUSE IT'S A DISCUSSION SO ARE YOU ASKING US TO GO FORWARD WITH WHAT IS REQUEST FOR THE BOARD IF THERE IS A MOTION, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING

US TO DO? >> THE LAST MEETING THE BOARD DENIED THE AMOUNT MR. CHESS INITIALLY ASKED FOR. YOU GAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY PERMISSION TO ASK ABOUT A COUNTER POINT OF THIS WAS HIS COUNTER. SO I BELIEVE THE BOARD IS ACCEPTING THIS COUNTER AND ALLOWING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THAT NUMBER,

SPECIFIC NUMBER IN THE TERMS. >> SO IS THERE -- DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR THAT? DO WE JUST NEED DIRECTIONS TO SAY GO BACK AND WE ARE FINE OR DO YOU WANT TO DO A VOTE? I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WANT ME TO MAKE THE QUESTION OR SHOULD THERE BE A

MOTION? >> COME OUT AND HELP ME OUT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MESS UP

>> WE'VE HAD CONSENSUS, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. >> I THINK REALLY WHAT MS. HEDGES IS LOOKING FOR WAS KIND OF A CONSENSUS OF THAT'S THE NUMBER. SHE'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO NEGOTIATE, SEND THE FINAL CONTRACTS, BOTH FELICIA AND MYSELF, LOOK OVER THE FINAL COMES BACK TO COMMISSION FOR FINAL APPROVAL. I THINK TODAY WE

JUST NEED CONSENSUS. >> I THINK YOU HAVE IT.

>> JUST A CONSENSUS, OKAY. >> TO BE CLEAR, CONSENSUS IS --

>>

>> SIX MONTHS. >> AND ITS FIVE-YEAR.

>> OKAY. >> WELL THAT'S IN THE CONTRACT RIGHT NOW. THE CONTRACT COMES FORWARD TO US, YEAH.

>> IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY YEARS BECAUSE IT'S AT WILL .

>> FIVE YEARS IN THE CONTRACT BUT YEAH, THAT WILL COME BACK TO

YOU. >> IT THAT WILL SO IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT'S SIX MONTHS OR 10 YEARS.

>> RIGHT, YEAH. EXACTLY. >> ARE YOU CLEAR, MR. JOHNSON?

[12. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

>> OKAY, NEXT THE CITY COMMISSION BOARDS AND COMMITTEE

UPDATES. >> WE HAVE SEVEN MINUTES. WHO WOULD LIKE TO START QUICKLY, OMISSION OR?

>> I MISSED THE RETIREMENT BOARD SOMEWHERE BUT THE TREASURE COAST LOCAL LEAGUE OF GOVERNMENTS, WE DID MEET IN AND OUR SPEAKER WAS THE NEW SHERIFF , AND HE'S COMING, HE WANTS TO COME IN FRONT OF ALL OF THE COMMITTEES TO TALK, TO SEE HOW YOU CAN PARTNER, DO WHAT HE WANTS TO DO WITH EVERYBODY IN THE COUNTY, AND REAL QUICK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS GOT THE EMAIL THIS MORNING THAT THERE IS A BILL GOING TO THE SENATE TOMORROW TO

GET AWAY WITH CRAS. >> WE WANT TO ABOLISH THEM.

>> THEY WANT TO ABOLISH CRAS RIGHT NOW SO GET ON THE PHONE WITH OUR PEOPLE AND SAY WE NEED TO KILL THAT BILL, SO THAT'S

WHERE WE ARE, MADAM MAYOR. >> WHO WANTS TO GO NEXT?

COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMUNITY REPORTS. I JUST HAVE A SIDE REPORT THAT I FIND YOU MAY HAVE SOME INTEREST IN. I WAS APPROACHED BY CONGRESSMAN BRIAN MAST RELATIVE TO A REQUEST FROM FEC FOR $70 MILLION WORTH OF FUNDING FOR A VARIETY OF PROJECTS WITHIN HIS DISTRICT.

BRIAN MAST APPROACHED ME . HE WAS LOOKING TO SEE WHAT BENEFIT CAN WE GET FOR THE CITY OF FT. PIERCE AND HE ASKED ME, IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE PAYING EASEMENT FEES, IMPACT FEES, PERMIT FEES, ET CETERA, TO FEC. I SAID WELL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. I KNOW SQA DOES SO HARVEY WAS UP IN WASHINGTON, I CALLED HIM AT 9:00 AT NIGHT, I SAID I NEED HIS NUMBER BY 9:00 TOMORROW MORNING .8:30 I GET A CALL, SQA IS CURRENTLY PAYING $55,000 A YEAR IN EASEMENT FEES TO FEC. I'M

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ALREADY. >> HOW ABOUT ALONG SEAWAY DRIVE AND THE EASEMENT ALONG SEAWAY DRIVE?

>> I'M GOING TO PHOTOGRAPH ALL THAT AND SEND IT TO THE

CONGRESSMAN. >> HE ALREADY HAS THE

PHOTOGRAPHS. >> HE CAN BE A LITTLE TENACIOUS, AS WE KNOW. HE CAN BE WORKING TENACIOUSLY ON BEHALF OF THE

CITY OF FORT PIERCE. >> HE'S SO WISHY-WASHY.

>> THAT'S ONE THING HE'S ABSOLUTELY NOT BUT I'M THRILLED BY THE FACT THAT AS OUR CONGRESSMAN HE APPROACHED ME TO SAY CAN WE COLLABORATE ON THIS, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD AND SAVE THE CITY SOME REAL MONEY? I'M THRILLED BY THAT PROSPECTS I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO ASSIST. I KNOW SHEA IS WORKING ON IT RIGHT NOW. AS SOON AS I GET THE INFORMATION BACK I'LL CIRCLE BACK TO THE CONGRESSMAN AND SEE, I'LL REPORT BACK TO YOU AS TO WHAT THE RESULTS WERE.

>> GOOD. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMITTEE

REPORTS. >> I DON'T, EITHER. LE

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