Mar 31, 2025 FPRA Special Meeting Agenda

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ON MONDAY, MARCH 31ST, 2025. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF

ALLEGIANCE. >> THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK? >>

>>

[a. FPRA Resolution 25-04 appointing an Interim FPRA Director]

COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC . >> MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD, PLEASE COME FORWARD? SEEING NONE, MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM .

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS THE FPRA ITEM 25-04 APPOINTING AN INTERIM FPRA DIRECTOR . THIS RESOLUTION APPOINTS D BOUCHER JOHNSON AS

THE INTERIM F PRA DIRECTOR . >> THERE IS A MOTION AND SECOND,

PLEASE CALL THE ROLE . >> COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> YES . >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR?

[b. Approval of Letter of Support for St. Lucie County Area Transit application for a Federal Transit Administration (FTA) Buses and Bus Facilities Competitive Grant.]

>> YES . >> CHAIRWOMAN HUDSON .

>> YES . >> NEXT THE APPROVAL OF LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THE SAINT LUCIE AREA TRANSIT APPLICATION FOR FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION BUSES AND BUS FACILITIES

COMPETITIVE GRANT . >> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION .

[c. FPRA Financial Update]

>> MOTION TO APPROVE? >> SECOND .

>> OF MOTION AND SECOND, CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE .

>>

FINANCIAL UPDATE . >> MR. JOHNSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY

LEAD-IN ? >> NO, MS. MORRIS WILL COME IN AND GIVE A PRESENTATION FOR THE UPDATED REPORT. I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS DURING THE 101 REPORT AND SHE WILL

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FOR US . >> THANK YOU .

>> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS, I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE FINANCIAL REPORT TO YOU ON OUR FPRA FUND . THE FINAL BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR THIS LAST FISCAL YEAR WILL BE PRESENTED AT THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING . BUT, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THIS REPORT AS A YEAR TO DATE OF WHEN THE REPORT WAS DONE WHICH WAS THE 19TH OF MARCH. YOU WILL SEE ON THE FIRST SLIDE HERE IS THE BEGINNING AVAILABLE RESOURCES . AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE HAD $6.3 MILLION IN THE FUND BALANCE FOR 30 . THE REVENUE THAT HAS COME IN IS 13,000,495 .02 . MOTIVE THAT IS TAXES WHICH IS $13 MILLION BUDGETED . THE REMAINING OF 174,000 OF THAT IS FOR THE LEASES FOR COBB'S LANDING . THE PROCEEDS THAT ARE THERE. THE OTHER IS MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE .

SO, THE AVAILABLE RESOURCES IS $19.86 MILLION. THE NEXT IS DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT AND THEN WE HAVE CONTRACTUAL FEES AND ALL IS WELL . SO, AS WE MOVE DOWN, YOU WILL SEE ONCE WE GET INTO THE OPERATING UNREALIZED REVENUE , I WILL SHOW YOU AND THEN THE EXPENDITURES. SO, THE UNREALIZED REVENUE WE ARE GOING TO RECEIVE OR THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR IS GOING TO BE FROM THE LEASES AND THAT IS ABOUT $177,000 . ONCE THAT IS CAPTURED, THAT WILL BE THE ESTIMATED AVAILABLE RESOURCES AT $12 MILLION FOR FPRA, SO THAT'S THE REVENUE. AS WE LOOK AT THE EXPENDITURES, YOU WILL SEE WE HAVE DONE -- THAT IS THE $7.9 MILLION. YOU WILL SEE THE BALANCE REMAINING FOR THE FISCAL YEAR IN THOSE FUNDS TO BE USED. AND, WE ARE PROJECTING AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR WE WILL HAVE ABOUT $6.4 MILLION REMAINING. BEFORE I LOOKED INTO THE FUTURE -- LOOK AT THE FUTURE

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>> QUESTIONS? >> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK .

>> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE PRIOR SCREEN? SO, INDICATING REVENUES OF $13,495,000, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT CHUNK OF REVENUE

REPRESENTS? >> THOSE ARE THE ACTUALS. IT WAS 13.322 MILLION IN THE TAXES WHICH IS RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY AND THE CITY . SO, PROJECTED THAT WE RECEIVE THAT REVENUE . THEN, THE OTHER MAIN THING IS ABOUT $177,000 OF THAT IS THE REVENUE FROM COBB'S LANDING . THOSE ARE THE MAIN NUMBERS THAT MAKE UP THAT . I THINK WE HAD ABOUT $1000 IN INTEREST . AND, THE OTHER ONE WAS A SMALL AMOUNT AS TO -- I THINK IT WAS WHEN SOMEBODY PAID OFF A LIEN . THOSE WERE THE REVENUE SOURCES THAT ARE MAKING UP THE REVENUE . BUT IT IS MAINLY THE TAXES AND THE LEASE REVENUE.

>> OKAY, SO -- IF I AM INTERPRETING THIS CORRECTLY , WHAT WE ARE SAYING IS NET -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT NET PROFIT, BUT NET OF EXPENDITURES YOU ARE REFERRING TO AS CURRENT AVAILABLE RESOURCES PLUS ONGOING ? IS THAT THE CALENDAR YEAR?

>> IT IS THE FISCAL YEAR . >> BUT THE GROSS IS GOING TO PROBABLY REMAIN CONSISTENT BASED ON REALISTIC REVENUE AS DETERMINED BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE IF THERE WILL BE INCREASES THERE? IS THAT A CORRECT ASSESSMENT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> THEN COULD YOU GO TO THE NEXT

SLIDE? >> PROJECTED RESOURCES OVER EXPENDITURES THIS 6,441,000 ? WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATIONS AND

WHAT DOES THAT REFLECT? >> I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU. YOU ARE A LITTLE AHEAD BUT THAT'S OKAY .

>> OKAY, LET'S ASSUME WE WILL GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION MOMENTARILY. SO, YOU ARE INDICATING THE NONCOMMITTED FUNDS FOR ANY REASON IS $1.941 MILLION?

>> CORRECT. >> I WILL LET YOU CONTINUE ON

BEFORE I JUMP IN. >> OKAY , WE LOOK AT THE FUTURE APPROPRIATIONS AND , IF THERE ARE ANY IN-DEPTH QUESTIONS, I WILL CALL SHY APPEAR TO EXPLAIN THIS . BUT, THESE PROJECTS ARE THE PROJECTS -- IF YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, FPRA PRESENTED THEIR PROJECT BASED BUDGET AND THIS WAS THE PROJECTS THEY WERE APPROPRIATING FOR THAT AND IT TOTALED $6.3 MILLION. MY REPORT IS SHOWING OR.FIVE BECAUSE AFTER CHEYENNE AND I MET, IT WAS SAID THAT THE WAYFINDING GATEWAYS PROJECT WITH 300 THOUSAND COULD PROBABLY BE AN OFFSET . IT WAS IN HERE FOR '25-'26 BUT THOSE FUNDS MAY NOT NEED TO BE EXPENDED FOR THAT . ALSO THE WAYFAIR'S PROJECT OF $2 MILLION . 500 HAD BEEN EXPENSED OR WAS GOING TO BE EXPENSED . IS THAT

CORRECT, CHEYENNE? >> YES. AND THEN THE OTHER WITH WHAT WE WERE SAYING OF $4.8 MILLION OF THAT COULD BE UTILIZED. THEN , THESE ARE 4.5 . NOW, THESE ARE APPROPRIATIONS .

I DON'T KNOW IF THE PROJECTS HAVE STARTED, BUT THIS IS WHERE YOU SAID YOU WANTED THE FUNDS TO GO. MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THE PROJECT ANY LONGER AND MOVE THE FUNDS AND UTILIZE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT THESE ARE THE FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE PROJECT BASED BUDGETS AND FUNDS ARE

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>> SO THEY ARE APPROPRIATED OUT OF THE 2025 BUDGET EVEN THOUGH THE WORK IS SCHEDULED FOR 2026 .

>> RIGHT . THE PRIOR YEAR WE STARTED WITH A $6 MILLION FUND BALANCE AND NOT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE $13 MILLION ALREADY EXPENDED . THEY SAID BASED ON THE PRIOR FUND BALANCE, HERE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO APPROPRIATE THE FUNDS TO BE USED FOR THOSE PROJECTS. SIX SO, WHEN WE COME IN TO DO THE 2026 BUDGET AND PROJECTS, WILL WE STILL HAVE THESE PROJECTS ON THE PENDING LIST THAT HAVE BEEN FUNDED FROM

THE 20 $25? >> CORRECT . THE BALANCE IS STILL THERE AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT NUMBER THERE .

>> SO THE BALANCE ROLLS FORWARD?

>> RIGHT . THE THING ABOUT IT IS THAT IT IS NOT A RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE. EVEN THOUGH YOU APPROPRIATE THESE AND SAY WE WANT TO DO THIS THIS YEAR, THINGS MAY CHANGE . YOU MAY WANT TO REDIRECT THIS AND NOT FUND THIS PROJECT ANYMORE . THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS APPROPRIATION AND MOVE IT TO ANOTHER PROJECT .

>> HISTORICALLY, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT FPRA OWES TO THE CITY , HOW IS THAT ADDED INTO THIS CALCULATION? DO WE LOOK AT THE NET PROCEEDS AVAILABLE AND SAY WERE GOING TO PUT THE DOLLARS TO

DEBT REDUCTION ? >> I HAVE MOVE THE SLIDE UP A LITTLE SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS OWED TO GENERAL. RIGHT NOW THE BALANCE OF $3.7 MILLION. THE COMMISSION, IN THE PAST , HAS NOT WANTED US TO PAY IT IN ONE LUMP SUM EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE FLUSH IN CASH. WE SAID WE WOULD DO IT BASED ON THE CURRENT YEAR . WHATEVER THEY HAD THAT NEEDED TO BE FUNDED AND THEN TAKE SMALL INCREMENTS . WE STARTED WITH $500,000 AND WE ARE UP TO $1 MILLION ANNUALLY, NOW . WE HAVE SAID WE WILL TAKE $1 MILLION ANNUALLY AND TAKE THAT FROM FPRA AND MOVE IT TO GENERAL BECAUSE THEY OWE US UNTIL THE DEBT IS PAID AND NOW IT IS DOWN TO $3.7 MILLION. WE TAKE $1 MILLION OF WHATEVER IS IN THEIR CURRENT

BUDGET AND JUST MOVE THAT . >> WHEN DO YOU DO THAT?

>> WHEN IT IS BUDGET TIME. WHEN WE PRESENT THE BUDGET AND THERE IS A TRANSFER TO GENERAL, IT IS BUILT IN WITH THE TRANSFER TO GENERAL. I WILL SAY THIS YEAR WE WILL TRANSFER $1 MILLION FROM FPRA TO GENERAL TO PAY DOWN THE DEBT THAT IS OWED ?

>> AND YOU CONTEMPLATE DOING THAT THIS YEAR?

>> DEFINITELY , DEFINITELY. IT IS ALREADY BUILT INTO THE BUDGET FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR . BUT, WHEN WE START THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR THE 2026 YEAR , WE WILL START OFF WITH $1 MILLION AS LONG AS

EVERYTHING REMAINS. >> THANK YOU.

>> MS. MORRIS ? >> SO THE YEARS 2011 TO 2018 THAT YOU SHOW IS WHAT GENERAL PAID FOR THE FPRA QUESTION MARK

>> RIGHT , FOR THE DEBT SERVICE .

>> JUST SO I UNDERSTAND IT , WHERE ARE THE REPAYMENTS?

>> IF YOU GO DOWN TO LESS REDUCTIONS, THAT $5.6 MILLION WHAT IS PAID YEAR-TO-DATE INCLUDING THIS FISCAL YEAR .

>> SO THAT'S BEEN PAID OVER SEVERAL YEARS ?

>> CORRECT. >> SO FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT HE SAID, WHAT WE DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PAY BACK IS HOW THE FPRA BUDGET IS SET FOR THAT YEAR AND WHAT OUR ABILITY IS TO

PAY ? >> RIGHT . WE STILL WANT THEM TO

FUNCTION. >> YEP, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT . SO, WHEN YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE , YOU SAID THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE FREEING -- WE ARE FREEING UP FOR SOME REASON OR ANOTHER .

>> THE WAYFINDING'S GATEWAY ON THE WATERWAYS PROJECT .

>> THE WATERWAYS PROJECT? SO, IS THAT SAINT LUCIE COUNTY?

>> YES . >> I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT -- I HAVE HEARD JOSH AT THE COUNTY SAYING THANKS TO THE GENEROSITY OF THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO X,

Y AND Z . >> YOU ARE CORRECT. WE HAVE COMMITTED $2 MILLION FOR A VARIETY OF WATERWAYS PROJECT .

THAT IS NOT JUST STRAIGHT TO SAINT LUCIE COUNTY AND IS ON A PROJECT I PROJECT BASIS . IF THEY WERE TO COME TO US AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A BOAT RAMP AT HARBOUR POINTE PARK. WE

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>> BUT IT'S OVER FOUR YEARS . >> YES. I HAD IT THERE AS AN ALLOCATION TO NOT FORGET THAT WE HAVE COMMITTED THE FUNDS BUT IT IS UP TO $500,000 PER YEAR . I DID NOT WANT TO SHOW THE $2 MILLION AS ALLOCATED OUT OF THIS ONE POINT IN TIME, IF THAT MAKES

SENSE . >> RIGHT, AND THAT , BY THE WAY, I'VE HEARD MR. FORD PRESENT TO THE COUNTY THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD BOAT RAMPS AT HARBOUR POINTE PARK, I THINK TWO. AND , THEY ARE ALSO CONTEMPLATING A MARINA AT MUSEUM. PARK FOR LARGER BOATS, BUT NOT BOATS AS LARGE AS MEGA YACHTS .

>> THAT IS RIGHT . >> WHICH HE SAID SOME OF THIS MONEY IS GOING TO BE USED FOR .

>> IT WOULD BE USED FOR AND WOULD COME TO YOU AS A SEPARATE PROJECT AGREEMENT AND YOU AS THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE THAT . MADAM CHAIR, THAT IS A GOOD POINT YOU BRING UP ABOUT THE MUSEUM.PARK .

AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE MASTER PLAN COMING TO YOU LATER THIS MONTH , NOT THIS MONTH, BUT EARLY APRIL .

>> AND WE HAD JUST DONE IT KIND OF COMMUNITY IMPLIED ABOUT THE AREA . WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS WHAT YOU WANT TO DO BUT LET'S

BE MINDFUL . >> THEY INSISTED THAT BE INCLUDED IN OUR WESTERN PENINSULA?

>> YES, MA'AM, THAT WAS PART OF OUR ENTIRE PROJECT SCOPE . WE HAVE LINES OF COMMUNICATION OPEN WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY HAVE OUR VISION AND WE KNOW THEIR PLANS AND WE WILL COME TO AN

AGREEMENT . >> WHAT ABOUT WAYFINDING?

>> THAT IS BEEN A PROJECT ALLOCATION FOR MANY YEARS, NOW .

IT WAS A TOTAL, I WANT TO SAY OF $590,000 TOTAL . WE HAVE EXPENDED SOME OF THAT THROUGH DESIGN AND WE ARE NOW IN FABRICATION. WE EXPECT TO SPEND THAT ENTIRE PROJECT BUDGET OUT OF THIS FISCAL YEAR . THAT'S WHY WE MOVED IT OUT OF FUTURE ALLOCATIONS BECAUSE WE EXPECT THIS PROJECT TO BE COMPLETED IN THIS FISCAL YEAR OR AT LEAST ENCUMBERED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CARRY THOSE COSTS IN A FUTURE FISCAL YEAR .

>> THANK YOU . >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> OKAY, THANK YOU, SHALL WE MOVE ON ?

>> SO THAT WAS THE REPORT AND WHERE WE ARE PROJECTING TO HAVE AVAILABLE RESOURCES. IF THERE ARE NOT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS -- I WILL ENTERTAIN OTHER QUESTIONS .

>> I DO HAVE ONE AS A FOLLOW-UP FOR COMMISSIONER BRODERICK .

UNLESS THERE ARE SOME BIG PRIVATE SURPRISES WHICH WE DON'T THINK, WE GET ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WHEN WE GET

OUR TAX EVALUATIONS? >> I'M GOING TO SAY YAY THEY MING I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE GOING TO BE . IF WE GET AN INCREASE ARE THE PROPERTY VALUES

DECREASE. >> THINGS LIKE THAT .

>> BUT YOU KNOW , WE MAY GET MORE MONEY IF THEY ARE INCREASED AND OUR MILLAGE RATE REMAINS THE SAME OR IF THERE IS AN ADJUSTMENT TO THE MILLAGE RATE .

>> RIGHT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING , I THINK IF THERE WILL BE A FALLING OF REAL ESTATE PRICES, IT IS GOING TO BE IN THE CURRENT YEAR, MAYBE -- I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW . IF I KNEW THAT -- IF I WAS A MAGICIAN, I WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT JOB .

>> WE WILL MAKE A SLIGHT ADJUSTMENT SO THAT IT IS NOT ONE TO HIT . THAT WAS ESTABLISHED -- I THINK IT WAS FROM 2011 OR 12 WHEN THEY MADE A FEW CHANGES --

>> YES . >> AFTER THE 2008 OR 2009 DEBACLE. THERE WERE SOME CHANGES AS TO HOW THEY MAKE THE

ADJUSTMENT MOVING FORWARD . >> WE ALSO HAVE THE LEGISLATURE TINKERING WITH THIS FOR THE FUTURE .

>> YES . >> I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER DINGING THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SINCE ME AN ESTIMATE DINGING AS

IT MAY FIRST? >> USUALLY THE END OF MAY OR BY

JUNE 1ST . >> IT IS A LAGGING INDICATOR AND NOT A LEADING INDICATOR. WE ARE STILL, IN THEORY -- IN THIS NEXT PERIOD , THE BENEFIT OF AN INCREASE IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET WHERE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE ARE SITTING HERE, WE WILL BE DEALING WITH A DECREASE IN THE REAL ESTATE MARKET. IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING BUT THEIR NUMBERS ARE BEHIND TODAY'S

NUMBERS . >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY BUT YOU SAID IT BETTER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> YEAH, SURE . >> SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY

PERSONNEL SERVICES ? >> WELL, WE DO HAVE PERSONNEL

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>> AND, HOW MANY ARE THERE? >> THERE ARE FOUR OF US .

>> THAT ARE A CONTINUANCE TO THE DEBT PAID?

>> YES . >> IT IS STILL A TRANSFER TO

GENERAL ? >> YES, DEBBIE TO BE CLEAR , THERE'S NO MONEY IN HERE FOR THE SALARY OF THE CITY MANAGER?

>> NO . >> THAT IS CLEAR. IT WAS DISCUSSED. I BROUGHT IT UP AND IT WAS DISCUSSED BUT THERE WAS NEVER A DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD TO SAY YAY OR NAY . IT WAS NEVER

SUPPLEMENTED AT ALL . >> TALK TO ME ABOUT THE

OPERATING EXPENDITURES . >> WELL, THOSE ARE THE LINE ITEMS IN EVERY BUDGET THAT WE BUILD OUT. AT ONE POINT WE BUDGETED $9.1 MILLION. IT IS INSURANCE AND CONSULTANT FEES AND TAXES . OFFICE SUPPLIES -- YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL THOSE LINE ITEMS THAT ARE IN THERE. MOST OF THEM ARE CONSULTANT FEES. THERE MAY BE SOME GRANTS AND OTHER THINGS. PROJECT COSTS AS WELL MAY BE IN THOSE LINE ITEMS, IT JUST DEPENDS .

>> IF IT WAS PROJECT SPECIFIC WITH THE CONSULTANT, WOULDN'T IT BE IN PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS?

>> NOT IF IT IS OUTSIDE OF IT. THERE MAY BE A CAN CONSULTANT FEE FOR SOMETHING NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROJECT, SO TO SPEAK .

IT IS CAPTURED IN THE CONSULTANT LINE ITEM BECAUSE IT IS A

CONSULTANT COSTS . >> OKAY .

>> WE BUILD IT -- FOR ITEMS LIKE THAT , WE BUILD A PROJECT CODE .

THE EXPENDITURES ARE ITEMIZED BY WHAT THEY ACTUALLY ARE . BUT, IF WE WANT TO SAY, HOW MUCH DID WE SPEND ON THE WATERWAYS PROJECT, WE GO TO PROJECT COSTS. IT MAY BE AN ITEM IN THE CONSULTANT FEE OR CAPTURED IN THE PROGRAM COSTS BUT WE HAVE TO ITEMIZE THEM TO THE ACTUAL LINE ITEM OF EXPENDITURE COST THAT IT RELATES

TO . >> PROGRAM SLIDE WITH THE AVENUE D RESURFACING , WHAT IS THAT ABOUT? WHAT'S GOING ON WITH

THAT? >> SURE .

>> MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, SO WE HAVE A STATE APPROPRIATION OF $1.5 MILLION AND THE FPRA WAS GOING TO MATCH THAT FOR THE RESURFACING OF AVENUE D AND U.S. ONE TO THE BOUNDARY OF 29TH STREET IS RESURFACING AND NEW CROSSWALKS AND STREETSCAPE BEING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. WE'VE BEEN CARRYING THIS COST DINGING THE GRANT WAS APPROVED I WANT TO SAY TWO YEARS AGO OR MAYBE THREE. WE'VE BEEN HOLDING THAT AND ACTUALLY AT THE FPRA BOARD MEETING, I SAW ON THE AGENDA THERE WILL BE A CHANGE ORDER OR CONTRACT APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THAT IS RESURFACING AND RECONSTRUCTION OF AVENUE D WITH STATE APPROPRIATION.

>> THAT MAKES MORE SENSE . I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A STATE APPROPRIATION ON THAT . I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY ON AVENUE D OVER THE YEARS AND THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER ROWS THAT COULD USE RESURFACING AND IT FLAGGED IT TO ME .

>> I COULD NAME A FEW OTHERS . >> OKAY, THAT'S WHY THAT STUCK

OUT TO ME . >> COMMISSIONER TAYLOR -- OR BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR, WHENEVER WE PRESENT THE PROJECT BASED BUDGET, YOU WILL SEE THAT BREAKDOWN . FREEBIES ARE CAPTURED IN THE LINE ITEM AND YOU WILL SEE A BETTER BREAKDOWN OF HOW WE ORGANIZE THE BUDGET . WE HAVE BEEN REALLY LAYING THE GROUNDWORK, I WOULD SAY FOR A YEAR OR TWO, NOW , LET'S SEE THAT CONTINUING CAN SERVICES AGREEMENT AND THE DIFFERENT WAYS -- BUREAUCRACY, BASICALLY, HOW DO WE GET THIS MONEY SPENT ? THE FUND BALANCE THAT WE SEE AND THE PROJECT BALANCE THAT WE SEE IS WHERE WE ARE IN TERMS OF TIMING . IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE THIS SURPLUS OF FUNDING , IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD . I WOULD EXPECT OVER THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR SOME SIGNIFICANT DRAWDOWNS ON THAT AS WE MOVE TO THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE. JUST SOME CLARIFICATION .

>> WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE EVERY YEAR THE LEGISLATURE

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DECKERS WITH THIS . >> YEAH, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT .

>> IS THAT IT ? COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, DO YOU HAVE ANOTHER

QUESTION? >> YES . YOU INDICATED THAT THE SALARIES COMPONENT IS DONE WITH THAT TRANSFER TO THE GENERAL FUND. THAT IS NET OF THE $1 MILLION FROM DEBT REDUCTION ?

>> NO, THAT'S IN ADDITION TO THE MILLION DOLLARS .

>> WE HAVE $1 MILLION IN DEBT REDUCTION AND IN SALARY COSTS ARE TRANSFERRED TO THE GENERAL FUND ?

>> AND THERE ARE OTHER COSTS TRANSFERRED TOO .

>> IN THE BUDGET, THEY ARE ITEMIZED . WE DO TRANSFER OVER TO SROS. WE HAVE THE GRANT OFFICERS AS WELL THAT ARE BROKEN

DOWN . >> SO, BASED ON THOSE CALCULATIONS IN FOUR YEARS, THE DEBT IS GONE?

>> YES . >> IN FOUR YEARS, MOST OF OUR B SIGNIFICANTLY BETWEEN 2029 AND 2032 WITH NO NEW DEBT TAKEN ON .

NO NEW LONG-TERM DEBT. >> TO ME, THIS PRESENTATION ALSO DRIVES HOME HOW MUCH THE FPRA DOES FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE INCLUDING PAYING FOR THE STAFF MEMBERS THAT DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT PEOPLE REALLY WANT IN FORT

PIERCE . >> ABOUT THE BUDGET FOR FPRA IS 20% TO 25% OF THE ENTIRE BUDGET AND IT IS SUBSTANTIAL .

>> YOU ARE SMILING , DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ?

>> JUST SAY IT A LITTLE LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST WAKING UP IN TALLAHASSEE CAN HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

>> SAY IS A LITTLE LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN TALLAHASSEE .

>> I'VE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT THIS BECAUSE OF THE BILL THAT IS IN THERE THAT REALLY WANTS TO KILL CRAS. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHY THEY WANT TO DO THAT , BUT I ASSUME THAT IN THE PAST THAT SOME CRA HAS GONE ROGUE .

>> I WOULD GUESS THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND SO THEY WANT TO KILL ALL OF THEM . INSTEAD OF FIXING THAT ONE, THEY WANT TO HURT EVERY OTHER CITY IN FORT PIERCE ?

>> WE HAVE BEEN DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT , AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE EARLY DAYS AND WON'T PASS JUDGMENT. WE HAVE BEEN COMPLIANT AND ACCOUNTABLE AND WE'VE DONE REPORTS THAT WERE GOING TO MAKE A REPORT PUBLIC TODAY BECAUSE IT'S DUE MARCH 31ST . WE'VE DONE THAT EVERY YEAR AND REPORTED TO THE STATE EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WE HAVE A CRA ADVISORY COMMITTEE . I MEAN, WE HAVE SO MANY THINGS BUILT-IN TO DO THIS RIGHT . SO, IT REALLY IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF HOW IMPORTANT -- WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IF WE DID NOT HVE THIS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL . IT IS NOT A TAX INCREASE

-- >> YEAH , SO DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, COMMISSIONER GAINES ?

>> YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY MADAM MAYOR . JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE LISTENING , YOU NEED TO GET ON THE PHONE AND START CALLING YOUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND SAYING THAT HEY, WE NEED TO STOP THIS BILL BECAUSE IT WILL IMPACT MY LIVELIHOOD IN A CITY PROVIDING SERVICES TO US AND FOR YEARS .

>> AND THE PEOPLE IN YOUR DISTRICT TOO. ESPECIALLY YOUR SENATOR AND REPRESENTATIVE WHO REPRESENT FORT PIERCE , IT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN FORT PIERCE AND NOT A GOOD ONE IF THE

CRA WENT AWAY. >> RIGHT .

>> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ? >> I WANT TO ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE BASED ON FEEDBACK, MY FINANCIAL REPORTS WERE BASED ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME . THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE -- YOU KNOW, WE USED TO PRESENT A LINE BY LINE MONTHLY REPORT THAT WAS EVERY EXPENDITURE THAT IS BUILT IN LINE BY LINE . WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO SEE THAT? OR, JUST STILL KEEP IT WHERE IT IS A CONCISE REPORT ? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE GETTING WHAT IT IS YOU WANT TO RECEIVE. YOU KNOW, BASED ON NEW INDIVIDUALS, THINGS CHANGE AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS CURRENT COMMISSION GETS WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR .

>> WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT THIS, I WILL START BY SAYING I HAD A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IT . THEN, I KIND OF WENT THROUGH IT WITH MR. JOHNSON AND THE CHARTER OFFICERS AND THEY SAID THAT YOU

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HAD A REAL HANDLE ON IT. >> IT'S THE ONE I PRESENTED.

MS. JOHNSON ACTUALLY CREATED THE REPORT. SINCE 2012 WHEN SHE STARTED IT , THAT'S WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED .

>> RIGHT . THE COMMISSIONER AT THE TIME WAS LIKE, NO, I DON'T WANT TO SEE ALL THAT. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE, I WILL

GLADLY PROVIDE IT . >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE

COMMISSIONERS . >> BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, I WOULD SAY TO DO IT AND GO BACK TO THE LINE ITEM BECAUSE WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS THAT READ EVERY THING . IF WE ARE SITTING UP THERE AND WE HAVE QUESTIONS, I WOULD RATHER IT BE LINE ITEMS SO WE SEE EVERYTHING AND EVERYBODY SEES EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME AND WE GO FROM THERE. I'M FINE EITHER WAY . I KNOW WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, LIKE YOU JUST SAID , GOING INTO OUR WEEKLY MEETINGS AND ASKING THE QUESTIONS, BUT IF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T UNDERSTAND AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND , LET'S JUST PUT IT OUT THERE AND HAVE EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE .

>> I WILL SAY TOO , WITH THE INFORMATION, WE DO HAVE A FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY PORTAL WHICH IS GETTING READY TO CHANGE BECAUSE TYLER HAS A PLATFORM THAT HAS THE FINANCIAL PORTAL TO WHERE WE ARE NOT UPLOADING AND MOVING THE INFORMATION. IT WILL BE THERE EVERY NIGHT AS WE UPLOAD AND CLOSEOUT. IT WILL BE THERE ON A DAILY BASIS . SO, ANY CITIZEN CAN GO -- ON THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL, THEY CAN GO THERE AND EVERYTHING IS THERE.

THE REVENUE AND LINE ITEMS AND EVERYTHING IS RIGHT THERE ONLINE. IF THEY WANT TO SEE WHAT IS IN THE CONSULTANT FEE, THEY CLICK ON IT AND SEE THE EXPENSES AND EVERYTHING THAT HAS HIT THAT LINE ITEM THAT IS EXPENSED ON THAT LINE ITEM AS WELL AS

REVENUE . >> I REMEMBER WHEN YOU SET THAT UP AND I WAS DELIGHTED AND I USED TO CHECK IT ALL THE TIME.

NOW, I HAVEN'T DONE IT IN A WHILE .

>> BUT HERE IS THE THING I WANT TO BRING TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. I WAS LOOKING FOR THE OLD FPRA REPORTS AND COULDN'T FIND THEM . I WAS USING MY CHROME BROWSER . I WENT TO MICROSOFT EDGE BROWSER AND FOUND THE UPDATE. SO, FOR WHATEVER REASON , THERE WAS CHANGES IN THE WEBSITE -- AT LEAST ON MY PC AT HOME, THEY ARE NOT COMING UP -- THOSE CHANGES OR THE UPDATES -- WITH THE NEW CHANGES IN THE WEBSITE, IT IS JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION. IT MAY BE ME AND OPERATOR ERROR AND NOT THE BROWSER, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF FINANCIAL INFORMATION . THERE IS EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO KNOW EXCEPT WHEN YOU GO TO THE TRANSPARENCY PORTAL , YOU COULD LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE CHECK THAT

YOU PAID . >> YEP, ALL THE FUNDS .

>> SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEND TIME LOOKING AT THAT AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO .

>> ANYTHING ELSE ON THE FINANCIAL REPORTS?

>> JUST -- I DON'T MIND FINANCIAL MY NEW CHEF AND I DEAL WITH THAT STUFF ALL DAY LONG. SO, THE MORE DETAIL, AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, THE BETTER. I'M NOT A TECH PERSON AND A PORTAL TO ME, IS A FOREIGN COUNTRY . ANY INFORMATION I GET IS VALUABLE TO ME. I KNOW I'M IN THE MINORITY ON THE TECH WORLD HERE , BUT I DO LIKE THAT INFORMATION AND FIND IT TO BE

BENEFICIAL . >> I WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO YOU AND ONCE YOU GET IT , IF YOU SAY IT'S TOO MUCH, WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BUT WE WILL DO THAT.

>> I WANT TO ECHO THE POINT THAT COMMISSIONER GAINES GAVE AS FAR AS THE DETAILS . I THINK IN TODAY'S TIME, THE MORE INFORMATION WE CAN BRING FORWARD -- I APPRECIATE HALF -- STAFF BRINGING THAT FORWARD AND THE MORE WE CAN BRING FORWARD I THINK IT WOULD HELP AND IT WILL CERTAINLY HELP ME TO HAVE IT. I THINK BEING ABLE TO DELVE INTO THE LINE ITEMS AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN PARTICULAR CATEGORIES AND MAYBE EVEN SUGGEST CHANGES WOULD BE HELPFUL AND I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE GOT SOME DIRECTION .

>> YES . >> ALSO, I THINK IT'S REALLY HELPFUL , LIKE WITH THE SUMMARY SHEET AND YOUR PRESENTATION IS

HELPFUL TOO . >> I THINK TOO, THAT PRIOR TO COVID I WOULD DO A MONTHLY PRESENTATION OR A QUARTERLY PRESENTATION. AFTER COVID , THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME SAID NO, WERE NOT GOING TO DO THAT .

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>> WE MIGHT REVISIT THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE WANT TO STAY ON TOP

OF THAT . >> I WOULD ECHO THAT, MADAM CHAIR . THINGS ARE CHANGING TOO FAST RIGHT NOW AND I THINK WE AT LEAST NEED A QUARTERLY UP DATE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE ACTUALS AS COMPARED TO THE BUDGET . AND COMMISSIONER, YOU HAVE SAID WE COULD HAVE A CHILLER GO OUT AND WE CAN SPEND $20,000-$40,000 AND WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF THAT. I'M IN FAVOR OF A QUARTERLY UP DATE . IF YOU SEE A NEED WITH A DISASTROUS MONTH WITH EXPENSES , I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION .

>> THAT'S RIGHT, WE EXPECT YOU TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION WHEN SOMETHING IS REALLY OUT OF WHACK .

>> MR. JOHNSON . >> MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD, JUST TO ECHO OFF WHAT YOU MADE ABOUT THE BROWSERS, JUST SO THE PUBLIC IS AWARE. WHILE THE UP -- WEBSITE IS UPDATED, THERE ARE MORE CHANGES TO YOUR BROWSER OF CHOICE . THE BROWSER AND IT'S CURRENTLY VULNERABILITY OR A DATE STATUS WHETHER IT WORKS OR NOT . SO, MOST PEOPLE TEND TO ASSUME THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG ON THE SITE WHETHER YOU USE CHROME OR EDGE OR SAFARI, THERE IS 1 MILLION BROWSERS OUT THERE AND EACH FUNCTIONS DIFFERENTLY .

AS YOU STATED, ONE GAVE ONE RESULT WHICH WAS NO RESULTS AND THE OTHER SHOWED YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEEDED TO SEE . THERE IS THAT THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE AWARE OF . WE RAN INTO A SIMILAR SITUATION , IF YOU WILL RECALL, WITH THE APPLICATION PROCESS. THE SAFARI BROWSER WHICH IS MACINTOSH HAD ISSUES.

WE MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE OF THOSE ISSUES THAT EXIST .

>> A GOOD POINT, A VERY GOOD POINT, I HAVE LEARNED THAT MYSELF . IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE WEBSITE , IT COULD BE THE BIG

THING >> THE OPERATING SYSTEM .

>> YEAH, EXACTLY. >> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE?

[d. Discussion and direction regarding the potential purchase of 1236 Avenue D]

>> BANK YOU'VE SO MUCH, A GOOD DISCUSSION. I APPRECIATE IT VERY

MUCH. >> THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS DISCUSSION OF 1238 AVENUE D .

>> MR. JOHNSON, IS THIS YOU? >> YES . THE BOARD GAVE US DIRECTION TO SPEAK WITH THE CURRENT OWNER AND A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT ARE HIS PLANS FOR THE PROPERTY? HE CAME TO CITY HALL AND WE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION AND THERE WERE PRESENTATIONS ON BOTH SIDES. DEVELOPMENT FOR THE OWNER AND POTENTIAL SALES. MS. HARNAGE

WILL GIVE US MORE DETAIL . >> I AM GOING TO PULL UP GOOGLE

EARTH HERE . WHERE DID IT GO? >> JUST TO KIND OF GUIDE OUR

DISCUSSION. >> I DON'T EVEN THINK WE ARE IN FORT PIERCE.

>> WE WERE IN BELLE GLADE OR SOMEPLACE .

>> SO, TO GIVE A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AS MR. JOHNSON MENTIONED, THIS CAME FROM YOU AS A BOARD TO DISCUSS A POTENTIAL PURCHASE OF THIS PROJECT AT 1236 AVENUE D . SO WE HAVE AVENUE D , THE RECONSTRUCTION AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THAT AND SO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AVENUE D AND THE CROSSWALKS IN THE STREETS GAPING AND I MENTIONED THE CROSSWALKS. SO, WE HAVE THAT COMING, RIGHT .

WE HAVE THIS PARKING LOT HERE , IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR. THIS WILL BE OUR FPRA SURFACE PARKING. IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW AND WE ARE IN THE PERMITTING PHASE. WE HAVE OUR PRIZE POSITION HERE WITH THE MUSEUM AND THEN WE HAVE THIS PROPERTY WHICH IS SOMEWHAT VACANT AND THEN OUR PLAZA HERE ON THIS CORNER . IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT CORNER FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF LINCOLN PARK AND FORT PIERCE AS A WHOLE . OF COURSE OUR SUBSTATION IS A JEWEL ON THE CORNER THERE AS WELL .

WHAT WE WANT THIS TO BE? IS IT A COMMUNITY HUB WITH THE COURT CENTER BACK BEHIND? WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE ON THIS CORRIDOR .

WHEN MR. JOHNSON BROUGHT THIS TO ME, MY THOUGHT WENT TO THE LINCOLN PARK MASTER PLAN WHICH IS GETTING READY TO START. THIS IS REALLY ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY AGAIN. WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE? WHAT WE WANT AVENUE D TO BE AND THE GREATER COMMUNITY TO

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>> IS THE PLAZA AREA PRIVATELY OWNED?

>> NO, THAT IS OWNED BY THE CRA . IT'S EITHER THE CITY OR THE

CRA . >> OKAY .

>>

>> OKAY, THANK YOU . >> AS WE SPOKE TO MR. GR DANO -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO GO INTO THAT. WE SPOKE TO THE OWNER WITH PLANS FOR THIS PROPERTY. ADDING A SECOND STORY OR ADDING RENTAL UNITS THAT ARE TWO BEDROOMS ONE BATH. RETAIL SPACE IN THE FRONT AND THEN, OF COURSE, I THINK HE HAS A PICKUP RESTAURANT PLANNED FOR THE REAR . BUT, ACCESSIBILITY IS A GREATER ISSUE WITH THIS . I WILL GO DOWN THE STREET HERE TO 13TH AND POINT THIS OUT. SO, AS WE LOOK AT THE PLAZA AND THIS PUBLIC PARKING AREA HERE , HE WOULD LIKE A SHARED USE AGREEMENT TO SOMEHOW ACCESS THE REAR OF HIS PROPERTY THROUGH OUR PUBLIC PARKING LOT . SO, THAT IS KIND OF A GREATER CONVERSATION THAT MAYBE IS NOT FOR TODAY, BUT ACCESSIBILITY OF THIS PARCEL IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. BECAUSE WHATEVER HE IS PLANNING TO DO AND THE CONNECTIVITY OF THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND CONSIDERED. IF THE CITY OR THE CRA WERE TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY , WHAT WOULD YOU WANT TO SEE HERE? WOULD THIS BE AN EXTENSION FOR THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM OR INTO SOMETHING ELSE.

WHAT WOULD YOU ENVISION FOR THIS AREA . I GUESS WE COULD OPEN IT UP BUT THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THIS PARCEL IS OF IMPORTANCE TO HIM AND WHETHER OR NOT HE RE-DEVELOPS OR NOT. HE'S IN THE PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL OR IF WE PURCHASE IT . THAT

IS THE GOOGLE OVERVIEW . >> SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A

PLACE TO PARK? >> CORRECT, YES .

>> AND THERE IS NO STREET PARKING THERE ?

>> CORRECT . >> AND THAT IS AN ISSUE IN TERMS

OF ACCESSIBILITY . >> YES .

>> IS THERE DISCUSSION . >> MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU . SO, MS. HARNAGE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION . YOU KNOW, I INITIALLY BROUGHT THIS TO US BECAUSE OF YOU SHOW PROXIMITY OF THAT LOCATION COMPARED TO OUR HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM , IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU PRESENT THAT. YOU SAID WE WOULD START A PROCESS OF ENGAGING THE RESIDENTS OF LINCOLN PARK TO VISION OUT WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE THERE. WITH THE CITY-OWNED PARK NEXT TO THAT LITTLE PARK WHICH IS CITY-OWNED AND THEN THIS , WHAT REPRESENTS A CHALLENGE TO ME IS WE HAVE A SITUATION HERE IN THAT IF WE DON'T ACT , CAN CONTINUE TO BE A CHALLENGE TO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE RAISED THE POINTS THAT PARKING WHAT IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE . YOU HAVE TALKED ABOUT TAKING A -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ZONING IS FOR THIS , BUT IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RESIDENT, ET CETERA , I SEE THE CLOCK OF THIS STRETCHING FARTHER AND FURTHER AND FURTHER OUT .

SO, I WOULD IMPLORE, AND HOPEFULLY STAFF HAS LOOKED AT VALUATION OF WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO ACQUIRE THIS PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY . BECAUSE, THINGS ARE GOING TO BE CHANGING AROUND HERE MUCH MORE RAPIDLY . AND, I WANT TO IMPLORE THAT WE MOVE MORE AGGRESSIVELY TO ACQUIRE THIS, FOR A LOT OF REASONS .

>> YEAH, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO DO AN APPRAISAL, I

BELIEVE . >> YES, WE WANT TO GET YOUR

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FORWARD. >> YES, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE?

>> YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT. I FIND THIS PROPERTY BE CANDIDLY FUNCTIONALLY OBSOLETE . THERE IS NO MARKET FOR THIS PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE , WE ARE THE PRIMARY BUYER. IF I WERE LOOKING TO REDEVELOP THIS PROPERTY, CLEARLY RETAIL IS THE ONLY OPTION. THERE IS SPACE ON AVENUE D IN THE MARKET IS SOFT TO BEGIN WITH . SO, BUYING THIS PROPERTY AND INVESTING A TON OF MONEY TO CHANGE IT TO RETAIL FUNCTION .

THERE IS NO PARKING . I DON'T SEE IN AIRBNB AND I DOUBT THAT THE BUILDING IS STRUCTURALLY SUFFICIENT TO ADD A SECOND STORY . SO, IT LENDS ITSELF TO THE FACT THAT THE CITY IS THE PERFECT BUYER . IF WE JUST BOUGHT IT AND SAT ON IT UNTIL WE FIGURED OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT , I SEE GREAT VALUE TO THE CITY, ULTIMATELY BECAUSE THIS PARCEL IS SANDWICHED BETWEEN TWO THAT WE ALREADY OWN . THIS WHOLE EASEMENT THING , THAT IS A NONSENSICAL DISCUSSION. WERE NOT GOING TO START GIVING AWAY EASEMENTS SO PEOPLE CAN INCREASE THEIR TENANCY POTENTIAL .

SUFFICE IT TO SAY I THINK THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IS IN A KEY PLACE TO ACQUIRE IT FOR OUR REDEVELOPMENT SCHEME. NOT NECESSARILY RETAIL FOR AVENUE D BECAUSE THERE IS PLENTY NOW .

THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE CAN DO AND PARKING MIGHT BE A BETTER USE THAN IT IS NOW. THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED BUT I SUGGEST WE MOVE RAPIDLY TO A WIRE AND APPRAISAL AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE OWNER TO SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH A SATISFACTORY PRICE TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY AND THEN FIGURE IT OUT AFTER THE FACT. IN MY BUSINESS, I GO IN WITH A PLAN AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY BUT IN THIS CASE, I SEE MULTIPLE OPTIONS AND WE COULD COME UP WITH A VARIETY OF SCHEMES WITH WHAT TO DO WITH IT

. >> IT IT MAKES THE WHOLE BLOCK -- IT BRINGS OUT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES . COMMISSIONER TAYLOR AND COMMISSIONER GAINES, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD?

>> I CONCUR . I THINK THE REALISTIC NATURE OF ADDING THE SECOND STORY AND THE PARKING , LOGISTICALLY NONE OF THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME OR FEELS LIKE A REAL POSSIBILITY. YOU KNOW, I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BRODRICK AND I THINK WE COULD MOVE TO MAKE AN OFFER ON THIS . IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE WITH THE CITY'S OWNERSHIP, IN MY SENSE . I WAS BROWSING AROUND ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S SITE AND FPRA OWNS THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET ON THE CORNER AT YOUR LEFT?

>> YES? >> NO . THERE IS A WEIRD PARCEL WHICH IS L-SHAPED THAT WE DO OWN. THEN WE ON THIS WHERE THE

PARKING LOT IS GOING TO GO. >> UMM HUMM .

>> WE PUT THIS OUT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS FOR SOME TYPE OF REDEVELOPMENT THROUGH OUR BID PROCESS AND DIDN'T GET ANY -- I DON'T BELIEVE WE GOT VIABLE OPTIONS. BUT, THIS IS A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC SPACE, IN SOME WAY, OR JUST BEAUTIFICATION

. THE SHAPE IS INTERESTING . >> YEAH .

>> AND, IF YOU SEE -- LET ME SHOW YOU . BUT, THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF WE WERE TO GET THIS CORNER ON THE OTHER SIDE . WHAT DO WE WANT TO SEE ACROSS THE STREET . EVEN IF IT WAS JUST BEAUTIFICATION ALONG 13TH .

>> I MEAN, JUST THROWING IDEAS OUT THERE. WITH THIS PROPERTY DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO THE MUSEUM AND US OWNING THAT PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET, I THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO TURN IT INTO A PARKING LOT. AND, THE BUILDING NEXT DOOR TO THE MUSEUM TO BE USED FOR MORE OF AN OUTDOOR TYPE SPACE AND CONTINUATION OF THE PLAZA OR SOME OTHER USE THAT COULD

BENEFIT THE MUSEUM . >> YEAH AND COULD ADD TO THE AMENITIES INSTEAD OF SURROUNDING THE PLAZA WITH PARKING. I DON'T KNOW, THAT IS A LONG RANGE DISCUSSION, OBVIOUSLY . BUT THERE COULD BE COMPATIBLE USES FOR THAT SPACE THAT COULD PLAY

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>> WHAT CONDITION IS THAT BUILDING IN?

>>

. >> IT IS GUIDED BUT IT IS CINDERBLOCK AND PRETTY MUCH A CONCRETE BUNKER . I WOULD SAY THE BONES ARE SOLID BECAUSE IT IS CONCRETE UNLESS WE HAVE SEVERE RAIN AND THERE, WHICH IS GOTTEN INTO IT. MY OTHER CONCERN IS YOU SHOW THAT PICTURE, THAT ALLEYWAY IS A CONCERN WITH THE ACTIVITY THAT GOES ON BEHIND IT. WE KNEW TO MOVE QUICKLY BEFORE WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION OF DAMAGE TO THE MUSEUM . THERE

IS ACTIVITY AND THAT GAP . >> IF IT IS ABANDONED AND GUTTED, THERE'S PROBABLY ACTIVITY INSIDE THEIR .

>> YEAH AND WE NEED TO MOVE PRETTY QUICKLY.

>> REMEMBER ACROSS THE STREET ON THAT CORNER WAS A WOOD STRUCTURE THAT BURNED DOWN TWO YEARS AGO DURING THE WINTER WHEN PEOPLE WERE TAKING REFUGE IN THERE. IT WAS A WINDY NIGHT AND ASHES AND EMBERS WERE FLOWING ACROSS AVENUE V. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STRUCTURE AND IRONIC IN THE NEXT MONTH , IN JANUARY, IT

BURNED DOWN . >> THAT'S ON 13TH ?

>> IS ON 13TH. >> I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS TO SECURE THAT PATHWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS SOMETHING TEMPORARILY WE CAN DO THERE, BUT I SEE ACTIVITY IN THERE AND WE NEED TO GET THAT ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY.

>> I'VE HEARD FROM EVERYBODY EXCEPT YOU .

>> MADAM CHAIR, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING WE ARE SAYING. I THINK THIS HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM IS SOMETHING BIGGER THAN WE HAVE IMAGINED. I CONTINUE TO SAY THAT IT IS GOING TO BE DOWN THE ROAD, SOME KIND OF STATE MUSEUM. THEY -- I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST WITH YOU , I DID WORK THERE AND THEY ARE GOING TO WANT TO TAKE SOME CREDIT AND SAY , WHEN YOU COME TO FLORIDA, GO TO FORT PIERCE TO SEE THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM . IS COMING AND THE MORE WE CAN DO TO SECURE THE LAND AROUND THE MUSEUM, WE WILL BE IN A BETTER SPOT BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER BRODRICK SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LIMITLESS IDEAS WITH A LOT WE COULD DO BEHIND IT AND EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THE MUSEUM. I DON'T WANT TO GET UP AND DO A LAUNDRY LIST OF'S STUFF. IF SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE LISTENING AND THE PRICE KEEPS GOING UP .

>> WE NEED AN APPRAISAL RIGHT AWAY .

>> YOU'RE RIGHT, WE NEED AN APPRAISAL RIGHT AWAY .

>> I'VE SAID IT FOREVER, THERE IS TWO ENTRYWAYS INTO THE LINCOLN PARK AREA. WITH THIS LINCOLN PARK MASTER LIST, THERE IS TWO ENTRYWAYS. THERE IS 13TH AND D COMING IN THAT WAY. THEN COMING OFF U.S. 1 AVENUE AND TURNING ON 13TH . THOSE ARE TWO.

IF YOU HIT THOSE TWO RIGHT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO FLOW RIGHT . THOSE ARE THE TWO ENTRYWAYS THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN AND WE HIT IT RIGHT THAT TIME AND WE HAVE TO HIT THIS RIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE THAT WE WANT.

>> MR. JOHNSON . >> YES MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD, AND ATTEMPTING TO FULFILL THE BOARD'S WISHES -- HISTORICAL WISHES. YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO ACQUIRE THE AREA . WE HAVE A SCHOOL AND WE'VE ACQUIRED ALMOST THE ENTIRE AREA WITH TWO OR THREE PARCELS WE DON'T OWN . IN CONSULTING WITH STAFF, IT IS THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE BOARD DIRECTS US TO GET AN APPRAISAL . THEN, IMMEDIATELY BASED ON THE COST BECAUSE PURCHASING RULES ALLOW US TO ENTER INTO SALES NEGOTIATIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE , WE CAN BEGIN THAT SEAMLESSLY AND THEN COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AT THAT POINT. I THINK IT IS CRITICAL WITH WHAT EVERYBODY HAS STATED , THINGS ARE CHANGING AND CHANGING SWIFTLY . WE WOULD ALSO NEED, NOT IMMEDIATELY, BUT POST THAT WHAT IS WANTED FOR THE BUILDING.

IF WE ACQUIRE IT, THE RESPONSIBILITY SHIFTS FROM THE CURRENT OWNER TO US AND WE WE NEED TO MOVE JUST AS SWIFTLY ONCE WE GET TO THAT POSITION. SO, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM

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AND OPTIONS . >> THEN SPEEDILY MAKE A DECISION WHERE THE WERE GOING TO KEEP THE BUILDING OR TEAR IT DOWN?

>> RIGHT, YES, MA'AM . >> I WANT TO ADD ONE THING BEFORE WE GET A CONSENSUS HERE. THAT THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM WAS BOUGHT -- THAT PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT WITH FPRA FUNDS. WE WILL NOT HAVE THE BUILDING OR THE MUSEUM WITHOUT THE FPRA FUNDS AND IT WAS IMPROVED WITH THE FPRA FUNDS . SO ARE WE DOING A MOTION OR JUST CONSENSUS? DO WE WANT A MOTION ? SHOULD WE HAVE A

MOTION? >> YES , I MOTION WOULD BE APPRECIATED FOR THE APPRAISAL .

>> SO, BASED ON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND OUR DISCUSSION, IS SOMEBODY READY TO MAKE A MOTION ?

>> I WOULD MOTION WE AUTHORIZE STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SECURING AN APPRAISAL ON THE PROPERTY AS SOON AS IS POSSIBLE

. >> SECOND .

>> BEFORE WE GO TO THE VOTE, MR. JOHNSON, DO YOU WANT FURTHER DIRECTION IN TERMS OF SALE OR DO YOU WANT TO BRING THE

INFORMATION BACK TO FPRA . >> I WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE BOARD BUT IT WOULD BE MORE EXPEDIENT, GIVEN TIME TO GET DIRECTION TO GET THE APPRAISAL AND THEN BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS AND COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH A FINAL .

>> I'M GOING TO MODIFY MY MOTION , BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION RELATIVE TO THAT . LET'S ASSUME, FOR EXAMPLE, THE APPRAISAL COMES IN AT $200,000, WHAT LATITUDE DOES THE CITY HAVE TO NEGOTIATE IN THAT AREA? IS IT ABOVE IT OR BELOW IT OR IS THERE

BRACKETING ? HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> I DON'T ACTUALLY RECALL .

>> BEFORE SHE SPEAKS, THERE MAY BE DIFFERENT RULES FOR THE CITY

THAN THE FPRA . >> I WOULD ASSUME .

>> I'M NOT THE EXPERT ON THAT EVEN THOUGH I READ THE

RESOLUTION OF THE FPRA . >> WHEN I SAY NEGOTIATIONS, THEY WILL GO BACK AND FORTH AND COME BACK WITH A RANGE OF PRICES,

EITHER LOW OR HIGH . >> I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT IS ALLOWED HERE AND WHAT CAN STAFF DO?

>> LEGALLY . >> CURRENTLY THERE IS NO -- ANY PRIOR COMMISSION, THERE IS NO MAXIMUM THAT IS ALLOWED WHICH IS WHY CURRENT FPRA .PROPERTIES AT SUCH HIGH VALUES . THERE IS NO

MAXIMUM . >> SO THEY COME BACK -- STAFF HAS THE ABILITY TO COME BACK WITH THE LOWEST AND BEST NUMBER

POSSIBLE ? >> IT HAS TO BE PRUDENT BUT THERE IS NOTHING THAT SAYS IT CAN'T BE OVER 25% OR ANYTHING

LIKE THAT . >> WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING FOOLISH AND THAT'S WHY THE LEGISLATURE IS TANKING AROUND

WITH IT . >> LONG BEFORE ANY OF US WERE

HERE, BUT I REMEMBER -- >> YOU GET A LOT OF ENTHUSIASM WHEN ENTERING A NEW TRANSACTION LIKE THIS FROM A BODY LIKE THIS AND SO WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS. I THINK STAFF HAS THE COOLER CAPABILITY TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A REALISTIC PERSPECTIVE AND SO I WOULD AMEND MY MOTION TO INCLUDE THE ABILITY TO HAVE STAFF TO NEGOTIATE ON BEHALF OF OF THE FPRA TO SECURE EITHER A PRICE OR A BRACKETING UP PRICES TO BRING BACK TO THE FPRA BOARD .

>> SECOND WITH THIS DISCUSSION . SO, THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS SHOULD BEGIN BEFORE WE DO ANY TYPE OF APPRAISAL, RIGHT ?

>> WE GET THE APPRAISAL FIRST .

>> IF HE IS NOT WILLING TO SELL IT AND WE GET THE APPRAISAL FIRST , THAT SEEMS FOOLISH TO ME .

>> MADAM CHAIR, HE IS WILLING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION . WE DISCUSSED GETTING AN APPRAISAL. HE IS DEFINITELY A TABLE. PLAYS

OKAY. >> CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE.

>>

[e. Workshop discussion regarding the future direction of the FPRA Director position]

MUCH . >> OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FUTURE OF THE FPRA DIRECTOR POSITION .

>> IS THIS YOURS ? >> IT IS YOURS, ACTUALLY.

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>> IT IS OURS, IS THERE ANYTHING THE STAFF WANTS TO CONTRIBUTE BEFORE DISCUSSION. OKAY, SO, BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS COME UP BECAUSE AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE A NEW CITY MANAGER STARTING ON WEDNESDAY. THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER WAS ALSO THE FPRA DIRECTOR . AND, SO , WE ARE GOING INTO THIS WITH LOOKING AT -- LOOKING AT DECIDING WHAT WE WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF A BOARD.

SO, IS THERE SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO START ?

>> I WILL START, IF WE WANT . THIS CAME FROM COMMISSIONER BROADDRICK AND I'S DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING GOING BACK AND FORTH SEVERAL TIMES WITH MADAM HEDGES AND MR. JOHNSON . I THINK THIS CAME FROM ME, AT LEAST. KIND OF LOOKING AT WHY OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER WAS THE FPRA DIRECTOR TO BEGIN WITH . KIND OF HAVING THAT AS A CEREMONIAL TYPE TITLE WHEN WE HAVE STAFF AND OTHER MIDDLE MANAGERS DOING THE ACTUAL WORK OF THE FPRA. IT ALSO CAME FROM -- IT WASN'T DISCUSSED WITH OUR NEW CITY MANAGER WITH HIM COMING ON BOARD WITH HIS CONTRACT AND SO THAT OPENS THE DISCUSSION FURTHER . I THINK WHERE I CAME TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHERE I CAME TO A COMPROMISE WAS KIND OF PENDING MR. JOHNSON'S ACCEPTANCE OF THAT . KIND OF KEEPING HIM AS INTERIM AND KIND OF GIVING MS. HARNISH SOME TIME TO CONSIDER TAKING OVER AS FPRA DIRECTOR IF THAT IS SOMETHING SHE WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER. THAT WAS REALLY JUST COMING FROM MS. HARNISH DOING AN AMAZING JOB AND DOING MOST OF THE WORK OF THE FPRA TO BEGIN WITH AND IT MADE SENSE TO ME THAT SHE WOULD BE DIRECTOR. OBVIOUSLY, IF SHE WANTS THAT, IT'S ANOTHER LEVEL OF SCRUTINY WITH HAVING FIVE BOSSES WHICH NOBODY REALLY ENJOYS . SO, I THINK I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH KEEPING SHEA IN THERE AS INTERIM FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND KIND OF SEEING WHERE WE ARE AT FROM THERE AND GETTING SOME FEEDBACK FROM MS. HARNAGE . I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE MS. HARNAGE IN THE POSITION THAT SHE IS , I WASN'T REALLY PUSHING TO HAVE THIS OPENED AS A POSTED POSITION WITH INTERVIEWS AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. WE WERE GOING TO APPOINT THE NEXT CITY MANAGER, SO WHY NOT APPOINT MS. HARNAGE. I THINK IF WE KEEP SHEA IN THERE FOR A FEW MONTHS AND SEE HOW EVERYBODY IS FEELING AND THAT .

AND THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT PLAN WHEN HE GETS HERE. MAKING A DECISION TODAY MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT PREMATURE, BUT THAT'S MY

OPINION ON THAT. >> MISTER BROADDRICK ?

>> I AGREE WITH BOARD MEMBER TAYLOR'S COMMENTARY , IN THE ENTIRETY . I HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE FROM A GLOBAL VIEW OF THIS. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER AND TODAY'S PROCEEDINGS, THE FPRA BUDGET IS 20% TO 25% OF THE CITY'S BUDGET. IT'S A STANDALONE ORGANIZATION AND NEEDS A STANDALONE ORGANIZATION. I CONSIDER HAVING THE CITY MANAGER AS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, POTENTIALLY . HAVING SAID THAT, THE CITY COMMISSION ONLY HAS THREE DOMINIONS OVER THREE POSITIONS IN THE CITY , THE CHARTER OFFICERS. THE FPRA BOARD, ON THE OTHER HAND, DOES NOT HAVE THAT HANDCUFFED . SO A FPRA DIRECTOR WOULD REPORT DIRECTLY TO THIS BOARD. THE BOARD WILL HAVE CONTROL OVER THE POSITION AND THE RESPONSIBILITIES, ET CETERA. THE RESPONSIBILITIES ARE DETAILED AND WOULD COME DIRECTLY HERE AND NOT THROUGH THE CHAIN OF THE COMMAND OF THE CITY. SO I TRIED TO THINK OF VERY SUCCESSFUL COMPANIES THAT SEPARATE THEIR DIVISIONS OF OPERATIONS WITH MANAGERS OR DIRECTORS OR PRESIDENTS OF THOSE DIVISIONS, ET CETERA , THAT REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE COMPANY . IN THIS INSTANCE, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE AS WE HAVE AN INDEPENDENT ORGANIZATION THAT IS CURRENTLY MIRED TO REPORT UP THROUGH THE FOOD CHAIN OF EXISTING CITY GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEPARATE THAT AND HAVE THE

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I SEE THE ENTITIES OPERATING IN UNISON WITH JOINT SUPPORT . AND, IF THERE WERE TO BE AN ISSUE, WE CAN RESOLVE IT . THAT IS OUR FUNCTION, HERE, AS THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE CITY, TO HANDLE THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT ANY COMPANY STRUCTURED IN THAT FORMAT, THAT'S HOW THEY WORK . THE DISPUTES COME FORWARD AND THEY ARE SETTLED BY THE HIERARCHY AND ELIMINATES WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE A CONFLICT WITH THIS BEING A VERTICAL REPORTING SCENARIO UP TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE . I DON'T SEE THE NECESSITY OF THAT. I THINK WE ARE BETTER SERVED VIA AN INDEPENDENT SOURCE

REPORTING DIRECTLY TO US . >> MADAM CHAIR , I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS AND I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO UNWIND THIS FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT ? WE PUT OUR LESS CITY MANAGER AND THE ROLE FOR CONTINUITY . WE HAD A VERY SMALL STAFF AND WE STILL HAVE A VERY SMALL STAFF THAT WEARS TWO HATS. YOU HAVE THE CITY FUNCTION WITH MS. HARNAGE PART OF THAT UNDER MR. MEMS AND THEN HE TOOK A CERTAIN PORTION OF HIS TEAM AND WE ACCEPTED THEM AS THE FPRA EXECUTIVE STAFF . THEN THEY GO OUT UNDER THAT HAT THAT THEY WEAR FOR FPRA , THEY CONDUCT DUTIES AND THE SAME PEOPLE HAVE DUAL ROLES IN THE CITY. I SEE THIS AS A CHALLENGE IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING A SEPARATE PERSON RUNNING THE FPRA . MY QUESTION COMES DOWN FROM AN HR STANDPOINT OF FUNDING FOR THAT PARTICULAR SAID POSITION .

NUMBER TWO, IF WE TALK ABOUT A SEPARATION, THEN TECHNICALLY , I SEE THAT AS YOU HAVE TO BUILD OUT A WHOLE DIFFERENT FPRA STAFF TO HANDLE FPRA BUSINESS. IT MEANS LEGAL AND RECORDING AND FINANCE AND THAT IS A CONCERN . SO, FROM A CONTINUITY STANDPOINT , I THINK WE MADE A WISE MOVE AND HAVING MR. JOHNSON THERE .

JUST FOR CONTINUITY, NOW , UNTIL WE GET THE NEW CITY MANAGER ON BOARD . TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS GOING ON AND TO FURTHER UNPACKAGED THIS . YES, THERE HAVE BEEN CHALLENGES BETWEEN THE TWO, BUT WE HAVE DONE A LOT BETTER HAVING THE CONTINUITY BETWEEN HAVING THE CITY MANAGER BEING THE CITY MANAGER AND THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE FPRA. I THINK IT'S TOO EARLY RIGHT NOW. THERE IS MORE CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE AN EYE HAVE HR CONCERNS . RIGHT NOW, YOU ARE RIGHT, THE THAT PERSON WOULD REPORT TO THIS BOARD , BUT IS THAT SOMETHING LEGALLY THAT WE NEED TO ALSO PUT IN OUR CHARTER, ET CETERA , WITH AS FAR AS HOW WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT POSITION. BECAUSE ONE DAY ALL FIVE OF US WILL NOT BE HERE AND WE ARE SETTING PRECEDENT THAT IS DIFFERENT . WE NEED TO THINK ALL THE WAY THROUGH THAT TO MAKE SURE AND I DON'T AND WE CAN MAKE THAT TODAY.

>> COMMISSIONER HAYNES . >> GORDON MADAM CHAIR , LIKE I SAID, I WASN'T AT THE LAST MEETING , BUT LISTENING TO EVERYTHING , I ACTUALLY THINK WE ARE -- DISCUSSING SOMETHING LIKE 14 DAYS TOO EARLY . THE CITY MANAGER STARTS WEDNESDAY . I THINK ONCE HE GETS HERE , LET HIM SIT DOWN AND LET HIM START MAPPING EVERYTHING OUT AND LET HIM SEE WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST

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WITH MY OTHER HAT THAT I WEAR THAT COMPANIES DO -- I AM TRYING NOT TO TALK ABOUT IT , BUT MADAM ATTORNEY , THAT'S ONE OF MY

CONCERNS. >> TO EASE YOUR FEARS A LITTLE BIT, OUR RULES ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WE ARE DIFFERENT AND WE HAVE CERTAIN RULES FOR US IN OUR OWN HR RULES. TO MAKE YOU LESS WORRIED , BUT WE CAN GO OVER THOSE IN DETAIL AND IF YOU REQUIRE ADDITIONAL DETAILS, HUMAN RESOURCES CAN GET INTO THE

MINUTIA . >> JUST TO ADD ON TO WHAT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN SAYING, I BELIEVE THAT CRA S ARE STAFFED ALL OVER THE STATE IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND, I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT WORK AND THERE ARE A LOT OF CRAS THAT HAVE THE SAME PEOPLE AS COMMISSIONERS AS THE CRA BOARD AND OTHER ONES THAT DON'T. AND, ALSO , I DON'T BELIEVE THAT -- I DON'T BELIEVE THE CITY MANAGER HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE FPRA DIRECTORATE AND THAT WE ARE SETTING PRECEDENT BY CHANGING THAT BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED IN THE PAST AS A CITY.

WE'VE HAD SEPARATE DIRECTOS AND A SEPARATE BOARD . SO, IN EFFECT -- AND, I'M NOT SURE I AGREE THAT IT IS TOO EARLY. NOW WE ARE ALL HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT AND, WHAT COMMISSIONER TAYLOR PROPOSED IS KIND OF WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY BECAUSE WE MADE HIM -- UNTIL WE DON'T MAKE HIM, HE IS . WE KNOW THAT CHEYENNE SPENDS MOST OF HER TIME

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TO BRING TO THE TABLE? >> THANK YOU FOR THAT MADAM CHAIR . I AGREE WITH YOU WHEN YOU SAID THERE ARE CRAS ALL

AROUND THE STATE. >> LET'S JUST MAKE SURE WE ARE

NOT THE ONE -- >> THIS COULD BE AN EMPTY

DISCUSSION . >> BUT, I AGREE . WE ARE NOT TRYING TO RE-CREATE THE WHEEL AND SO, GOOD DISCUSSION . LIKE YOU SAID, WE CAN'T GO INTO THE HALLWAY AND SAY A, B, C .

>> MADAM ATTORNEY WOULD FALL OUT OF HER CHAIR IF SHE SAW US IN THE CORNER TALKING SOMEWHERE . WE DON'T DO THAT AND WE UNDERSTAND THE SUNSHINE LAW. WE MIGHT LOT LIKE IT BECAUSE AGAIN, I THINK WE WOULD GET A LOT DONE IF WE COULD SIT DOWN AND TALK, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER DAY AND ANOTHER ARGUMENT IN TALLAHASSEE.

SO, I AGREE. SO, THE WORKSHOP IS OPEN . WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK IN THE LAST MEETING YOU PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE .

LET'S SEE HOW IT WORKS AND THEN GO FROM THERE .

>> YEP. AND COMMISSIONER JOHNSON AND I ARE GOING TO TALLAHASSEE AND WE WILL BE TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT CRAS . AND, I THINK WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF IT. SO, UNLESS THERE IS ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS TOPIC, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE OR SHALL WE ADJOURN? ANYTHING ELSE? COMMISSIONER BROADDRICK .

>> I HAVE A QUICK COMMENT RELATIVE TO -- RECENTLY REVIEWED RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY WITH A COUPLE OF LEASES ATTACHED TO THAT . IT WAS PROMPTED BY A DISCUSSION I HAD WITH HER RELATIVE TO THE ADMINISTRATION OF LEASES IN THE CITY IS A TRAIN WRECK . LET ME PUT IT CANDIDLY . FROM A LEASING PERSON , I GUESS I WOULD BE THE RESIDENT EXPERT IN THIS AREA , IS A TRAVESTY CANDLING WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE . I'M GOING TO START GOING THROUGH THESE LEASES INDIVIDUALLY AND COMING TO CONCLUSIONS AS TO WHERE WE ARE DEFICIENT IN NOT ADMINISTERING THESE LEASES IF ACTIVELY . NOT EXTRAPOLATING EXPENSES CORRECTLY AND EVEN NEGOTIATING CORRECTLY. I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE. I KNOW THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM IS A HOT TOPIC OF DISCUSSION AS WE ARE SPENDING MONEY PRETTY READILY TO GET THAT PROJECT WRAPPED UP. THERE'S ANOTHER RAFT OF CHANGE ORDERS TO ADDRESS DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES AND WINDOWS AND THINGS OF THIS NATURE. THAT'S NOT WHERE I'M REALLY GOING WITH THIS. WITH THE CAP BACKS ON THE PROJECT, I UNDERSTAND THE MODIFICATIONS. I THINK THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM IS A JEWEL AND INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT FOR THE TOURISM DOLLARS OF THE CITY , ET CETERA. I SUPPORT THAT 110%. WHAT I DON'T SUPPORT IS ENTERING INTO 100 YEAR LEASE AGREEMENTS WHERE THE CITY INCURS EVERY PENNY OF EXPENSE TO OPERATE THAT BUILDING. I BELIEVE THE LESS SEE OF THE TRANSACTION SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OPERATIONAL COSTS OF THE FACILITY MOVING FORWARD, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW WE ARE STRUCTURING THESE TRANSACTIONS. THAT PARTICULAR TRANSACTION , AND I HAVEN'T REVIEWED THE LEASE AND PARTICULAR. WE ARE PAYING FOR THE INSURANCE OF THE OPERATION AND THE UTILITIES. WE TALK ABOUT HEMORRHAGING CASH FLOW CONSTANTLY AND THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THESE LEASE AGREEMENTS. SO, WE -- WE NEED SOMEBODY CHARGED WITH THE FUNCTION OF -- SOME OF THESE LEASES ARE ADMINISTERED BY PUBLIC WORKS SWITCHES BEYOND ME.

WHERE PUBLIC WORKS HAS THE EXPERTISE TO ADMINISTER

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WITH THE TENANTS . LITTLE GEMS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS .

NOW, GRANTED, WE ARE ON THE PATH TO FIX THIS. BUT THE HIGHWAY MEN AS A BENEFICIARY OF THE CITY, I WOULD TAKE EVERYTHING I COULD GET AS WELL. WHY ARE WE PAYING THEIR ELECTRIC BILL AND THEIR DUMPSTER EXPERIENCE AND ALL OF THE EXPENSES FOR THE OPERATION, IS BEYOND ME . I DON'T GET IT AND DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING IT. AND WITH CAP BACKS , I AM OKAY WITH THAT . WE NEED TO LOOK AT THESE AS INDIVIDUAL CASE STUDIES OF WHAT HAVE WE DONE WRONG AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIX THIS? SO, RIGHT NOW I HAVE THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM LEASE AND THE MEANS COURT LEASE WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS JUST A VOLCANO READY TO EXPLODE . AS TO WHAT ALL OF THE ISSUES ARE WITH THOSE LEASES , I WILL REPORT BACK TO THIS BODY WHEN I COME TO MY CONCLUSIONS. WITH ADMINISTRATING COMMERCIAL LEASE DOCUMENTS AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT . I DON'T THINK THIS IS BEEN COMPLIED WITH . EVERYONE I HAVE TALKED TO AND SENIOR STAFF MEETINGS HAS CONFERRED THAT THIS IS A MESS AND WE CANNOT IGNORE IT ANY LONGER. WE HAVE ASSETS ALL OVER THE PLACE THAT WE ARE LEASING. COBBS LANDING IS ANOTHER BIG ONE COMING UP SON -- SOON. THE SUNRISE THEATER DEPENDING ON HOW WE PACKAGE THAT IS AN OPERATIONAL AGREEMENT OR A LEASE STRUCTURE AND WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS YET. WE NEED TO BE A LOT MORE CAREFUL WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THESE PROJECTS AND THESE DEALS WE ARE ENTERING INTO . DOES THIS MAKE SENSE FOR THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY? NOT THE ENTITY THAT WILL RESIDE IN THE FACILITY . DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY AS WE SPEND MONEY TO ACQUIRE THESE PROPERTIES AND CAP X THESE PROPERTIES AND MAINTAIN THEM AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THEY ARE THE ONES WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO. IT'S ONE OF MY LONG LISTS OF OUTGOING MISSIONS .

>> YEAH, IDEALLY , YOU MAY OWN THE BUILDING AND YOU MAY OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT THE OPERATION SHOULD NOT BE ON THE CITY .

>> MY TENANTS WOULD BE THRILLED IF I PAY THEIR OPERATING EXPERIENCES FOR THEM AND NOT CHARGE THEM RENT.

>> AND I THINK THE BACCHUS IS ONE ? I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS ON CITY PROPERTY . IT IS AN OPERATION THAT TAKES CARE OF ITSELF FOR THE MOST PART. IT TAKES CARE OF ITSELF AND THEY RAISE THEIR MONEY . THEY ARE MUCH MORE ESTABLISHED WITH A BOARD WITH A FUND BASE NOW. I THINK THAT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH NONPROFITS LIKE THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM IS THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP OPERATIONAL FUNDS AND TO RAISE

FUNDS -- >> A DONOR BASE .

>> WRIGHT, A DONOR BASE. BUT THE FOR-PROFIT LIKE COBBS LANDING IS A DIFFERENT KETTLE OF FISH -- SO, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU . I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS WE ENTER INTO LEASES AND THEN NOBODY PAID ANY ATTENTION UNTIL THE LEASE WAS UP AGAIN KIND OF THING. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO -- BECAUSE THE TAX PAYER SHOULD NOT BE PAYING THE FUNDS THAT THE TAXPAYER IS?

>> WHAT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A COMPILATION , WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT PROPERTIES WE HAVE LEASED AND THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO START . THE PROSPECT OF WHAT THE NEGATIVE CASH FLOW IS TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BASED ON LEASE STRUCTURES LIKE THIS, WE CAN'T FATHOM BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION LIKE THIS . PICK OUT LEASES, I'M THROWING DARTS AT A DART BOARD TO SAY LET'S START HERE . I'M VERY, VERY TROUBLED BY THIS. BECAUSE THERE'S THESE TRANSACTIONS ARE LITTERED ALL OVER THE CITY AND THERE IS NO COHESIVENESS WITHIN THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO SAY IT IS DOMICILE WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR DEPARTMENT. IT IS ALL OVER THE PLACE. MIKE WAS NEGOTIATING LEASE DOCUMENTS FOR THE CITY . I THINK THAT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY -- OR STAFF PERSON REPORTING TO US RELATIVE TO THAT TO MAKE THE FINANCIAL DECISIONS. IT IS NOT STEP'S DECISIONS TO MAKE THE DECISIONS ON THE FINANCIAL ASSETS FOR THE CITY . IT IS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS .

>> THEN TO MONITOR THEM AND EXECUTE THEM CORRECTLY .

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>> I'M SURE WHEN I GO THROUGH THESE DOCUMENTS THAT I WILL COME BACK WITH MY HAIR ON FIRE, OR WHAT'S LEFT OF IT. THIS IS A PROBLEM I HAVE ADDRESS WITH STAFF. I HAVE -- SHEA IS TALKING ABOUT BRINGING IN THE POSITION AS LEASE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE CITY . SOMEONE WITH COMMISSIONABLE EXPERIENCE THAT WILL BE OUR HIRED PERSON TO REPORT ON THESE . TO GENERATE LEASE ABSTRACTS TO BE SENT ON A REGULAR BASIS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY BASIS FOR THIS RIGHT NOW .

>> MADAM CHAIR , IF YOUR HAIR IS ON FIRE, LOOK AT MY HEAD, THERE IS NO HAIR AND I'M GLAD YOU HAVE THIS PASSION FOR THIS . WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WE DID NOT KNOW UNTIL WE WERE IN THIS

SITUATION RIGHT NOW . >> YES .

>> I THINK IF WE LOOK AT THIS FROM A LENS THAT WE PROBABLY HAVE TO REORDER AGAIN ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS SO WE ARE GETTING THIS. WE SAID AS POLICY MAKERS THAT STAFF MADE DECISIONS AND THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY EMPOWERED HOWEVER THEY WERE EMPOWERED TO MAKE THE DECISIONS AND SHAME ON US FOR NOT BEING AWARE WITH IT .

>> YES . >> I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE. I THINK WE NEED TO EVALUATE AND ASK QUESTIONS AND WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER, GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THE DOOR AND REDO EVERYTHING. BECAUSE A LOT OF ASSUMPTIONS AND THINGS HAVE BEEN DONE THAT WE FELL ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL WITH BECAUSE WE HAD STAFF.

>> WE GOT CERTAIN THINGS BUT WE CERTAINLY GET DID NOT GET THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WITH THE CONVERSATIONS AND NOR DID WE EVEN ASK FOR THE LEVEL OF DETAIL, SO SHAME ON US. I DON'T WANT TO BE HERE TO GO THROUGH THE LEASES , THAT'S NOT WHAT I DO. I HAVE TO TRUST STAFF AND THEN ASK QUESTIONS THAT MAKE SENSE AND I GET THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. I THINK, AS YOU MENTIONED, WE DON'TKNOW THAT IS SHAME ON US AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. I WILL SAY THIS , JUST A STEP FURTHER IS THAT RECENTLY, AND I WILL MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT AT THIS BOARD MEETING AND WILL BRING IT UP AT THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING . I HAVE BEEN IN CONSULT WITH THE ATTORNEY AND BECAUSE OF SOME OF OUR LEASE CHALLENGES AND THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP , I HAVE RECENTLY RESIGNED, AS OF LAST FRIDAY, FROM OUR BOARDS. I RESIGNED FROM LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET. I THINK WE WILL HAVE CONVERSATIONS COMING UP BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO REEVALUATE SOME OF THE BOARDS WE SIT ON AS ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THOSE BOARDS HAVING TO COME BEFORE US REPRESENTING CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON . WE RAN THIS UP TO THE FLORIDA ETHICS AND THERE WERE A LOT OF QUESTIONS . SO, TO DO MY OBLIGATION AS A COMMISSIONER AND A PERSON SITTING ON THIS BOARD , I RESIGNED. JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE FURTHER DISCUSSION AND WITH THE ATTORNEY , I AM SURE SHE WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WE HAVE ASKED FOR A NEW STANDARD, ESPECIALLY FOR EXTERNAL BOARDS ASKING FOR FUNDING FROM THE CITY.

>> I WAS A VOTING MEMBER OF THE BOARD, YES . AND ALSO ON THE MAIN STREET OR THAT SITS ON THIS COMMISSION . THOSE ARE TWO

ENTITIES RIGHT THERE . >> SO, TO YOUR POINT , I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO QUESTION EVERYTHING TO MAKE THIS BETTER WHEN WE ARE NOT UP HERE ANYMORE. TIMES ARE CHANGING AND OUR PUBLIC EXPECTS FOR US TO KNOW THESE THINGS . AND, I AM WITH YOU AND WANT TO ECHO THIS . WE HAVE SEEN THE EMAILS THAT OF COME IN ALMOST DAILY ABOUT A PROPERTY THAT WE OWN. IT'S IN A CONTRACT NIGHT MARE . JUST LIKE YOU ARE DIGGING IN TO LITTLE JIM AND THAT OTHER STUFF. THE LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET ON THE CORNER IS A MESS . WE HAVE TO LOAN THAT AND DIG INTO THAT

SOONER RATHER THAN LATER . >> HOW ABOUT SOONER .

>> ME TOO, I'M AGREEING WITH YOU . I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THE TONE AND TENOR. I AGREE WITH YOU. YOU HAVE YOUR PASSION AND MY PASSION IS INCUBATE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE INVESTED TWO REVITALIZE THAT AND WE ARE REVITALIZING AS WE SPEAK , BUT WE HAVE A MESS WITH THAT RIGHT NOW. SO, THAT'S IT , THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR FOR LETTING ME EXPRESS THAT .

>> ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE ? >> I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT COMPLETELY CHANGING TOPICS HERE. THIS CAME OUT OVER THE WEEKEND AND I THINK IT IS A FPRA PROJECT WITH THE JCPENNEY PARKING LOT .

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WE NEED TO INCREASE THE BARRICADES OR FIGURE THAT OUT AS THERE ARE ISSUES THERE AND I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION WHILE WE ARE SITTING HERE. AND ANOTHER THING , I KNOW I SENT A COUPLE OF EMAILS ABOUT THE DUMPSTERS DOWNTOWN WHICH IS SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING UP TO THE COMMISSION. I AM HYPER FOCUSED ON DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THE NEWS I GOT FROM TDC ABOUT THIS BEING THE NUMBER ONE TOURIST DESTINATION IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY. I WAS OUT WALKING AROUND LAST WEEKEND AND THERE IS -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS. YOU SAID ONE DUMPSTER BY THE LIBRARY WAS GRANDFATHERED IN THAT IS SITTING ON THE PARKING ISLAND THEN KILLING THE GRASS AND LOOKS DISGUSTING AND NOT IN AN ENCLOSURE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO GET THAT FIGURED OUT BUT THAT, TO ME, IS UNACCEPTABLE . I DON'T THINK WE NEED OPEN DUMPSTERS FOR TOURISTS WALKING AROUND. WE NEED LEAF BLOWERS AND LEAF KILLER AND I'M FIXING TO INTRODUCE A RESOLUTION TO BAN PAVERS IF WE DON'T HAVE WEEDKILLER IN THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT . THE WEEDS ARE OUT-OF-CONTROL . THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I HAVE IDENTIFIED AND I FEEL LIKE WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF TOURIST SEASON AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME BACK AND CONTINUE TO SPEND MONEY IN DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE AND WE NEED TO PUT OUR BEST FOOT FORWARD . YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC DRIVER THAT WE HAVE . THOSE TYPES OF LITTLE THINGS, WE'VE GOT TO START WORKING ON . OPEN DUMPSTERS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, IN MY OPINION. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AS A COMMISSIONER . I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO GET IT FIXED, BUT IT NEEDS TO GET FIXED

. >> YES. TO THE MAYOR AND THE BOARD, REGARDING THE DUMPSTERS, COMMISSIONER TAYLOR IS CORRECT .

THERE WERE TWO DUMPSTERS OUTSIDE OF THE ENCLOSED AREA . THE ENCLOSED AREA HAS THREE DUMPSTERS IN THE ENCLOSED AREA AND ITS FULL . A LOT OF TIMES THERE IS EVENTS AND WE DON'T HAVE CAPACITY FOR REFUSE DURING THOSE EVENTS. THERE WAS A CREST FOR EXTRA DUMPSTERS. THE TWO DUMPSTERS OUTSIDE OF THE ENCLOSED AREA , ONE OF THEM HAD NOT BEEN PICKED UP WHICH PUBLIC WORKS DID PICK IT UP . WE DID SPEAK WITH THEM AND WE WILL MOVE THE OTHER DUMPSTER OFF THE LITTLE ISLAND GRASSY AREA ONTO THE CONCRETE . THERE IS STILL ENCLOSED AREAS WITH NOWHERE ELSE TO PLACE IT . THERE IS A CAPACITY ISSUE DOWN THERE AND SO THAT STILL EXISTS. REGARDING THE PAVERS, I FREQUENT THE BISTRO FOR LUNCH MYSELF AND I TEND TO LIKE THE PATIO AREA AND I AM AWARE OF THE AREA YOU ARE SPEAKING OF. THEY DID HAVE THE AREA BROKE OFF AND THE PAVERS THEMSELVES .

>> THE PICTURES HE SAID , THERE IS A COUPLE OF A-FRAME TO

BARRICADES AND THAT'S IT . >> LAST WEEK IT WAS ACTUALLY ROPED OFF WITH BARRICADES AND TAPE .

>> SOMEBODY MESSED WITH IT, MAYBE , OR WHATEVER.

>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU . >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE .

>> SO, WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS . WE HAVE PERMANENT STUFF EVERY SATURDAY DOWN THERE AND SO WE MAY NEED TO INK ABOUT HOW DO WE BUILD IN MORE PERMANENCY TO ENCLOSE THAT ? EVERY WEEKEND IS

A FARMERS MARKET -- >> CRAFT MARKET .

>> ANNA CRAFT MARKET WHICH CREATES REFUSE . WE NEEDED INTO THE MASTER PLAN TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE CAN PUT ANOTHER DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR THEM TO GET RID OF

FLETCHER . >> EVEN THE ONES THAT ARE ENCLOSED, IT'S DISGUSTING OVER THERE . WALKING FROM THE FARMERS MARKET TO THE CRAFT MARKET ON SATURDAY, YOU HAVE TO WALK BY THE DUMPSTER ENCLOSURES AND ITS GROSS .

>> UNDERSTOOD . >> ONE QUICK FOLLOW-UP ON THAT .

>> I THINK THIS HIGHLIGHTS A SPECIFIC PROBLEM REGARDING STAFFING . WE ARE ASKING STAFF TO TAKE ON RESPONSIBILITIES THAT THEY DON'T HAVE EXPERTISE IN . WE SIMPLY NEED TO STOP DOING THIS . THE PARKING LOT BEHIND THE BISTRO IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE

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IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS PROJECT MANAGER TO UNDERTAKE THAT . IF WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE QUALIFIED TO KNOW THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO DO, WE WILL RUN INTO THIS PROBLEM OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT'S JUST LIKE PICKING ON THE HIGHWAYMEN MUSEUM . BUT, AT THE OUTSET OF THAT CONSTRUCTION , SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE RECOGNIZED WE NEED A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE THERE . NOT COMING IN AND SAYING WE NEED ANOTHER $20,000 TO INSTALL A DUMPSTER ENCLOSURE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO PICK UP ON , I WOULD HAVE IF I WAS THE PROJECT MANAGER IT SHOULD'VE BEEN PICKED UP ON RIGHT AT THE FOREFRONT. THE OTHER ISSUE, GOING BACK TO WHAT JOHNSON WAS SAYING IS THAT AT THE OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECTS WE NEED DETAILED PLANS TO SECURE PLAN SO WE ARE NOT COMING IN WITH CHANGE ORDERS. CHANGE ORDERS ARE A PART OF THE PROCESS BUT FOR MASSIVE ADDITIONS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE PLANS OR THE PLANS WERE DRAWN ON THE BACK OF A NAPKIN, THAT IS USELESS TO US. WE CANNOT FUNCTION IN THAT WAY . I AM SUGGESTING THAT MOVING FORWARD WE COULD DO A LOT BETTER . WE NEED TO ADMINISTER THE CITY'S ASSETS BETTER THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW. THERE IS ALMOST VIRTUALLY NO ADMINISTRATION . SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN DETAIL WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER TO SEE HOW IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE AND PROPER STAFFING WILL BE IN PLACE . THAT'S A BIG CONCERN OF MINE

MOVING FORWARD. >> WELL , THIS PART THINKING THE BEST PART HAPPENS AT THE END, I GUESS. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> OKAY , SHALL WE ADJOURN ? >>

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