[a. PZFLU2025-00002 Future Land Use Map Amendment and Zoning Atlas Map Amendment - Moore's Creek Model Block Redevelopment Parcel ID(s): 2410-604-0107-000-9, 2410-604-0112-000-7, 2410-604-0115-000-8 and 2410-601-0207-000-1 ]

>> YES. ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX, THIS BOARD ALSO PERFORMS DUTIES AS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. WE HAVE BEFORE US ITEM 6A.

MR. FREEMAN, YOU HAVE THE

PRESENTATION. >> YES, THANK YOU, CHAIR.

PLANNING BOARD, KEV FREE FREEMAN, PLANNING DIRECTOR

HERE. >> JUST FOR THE RECORD, MR. EDWARDS ENTERED THE MEETING.

>> THANK YOU. I HAD MY HEAD DOWN.

THIS APPLICATION RELATES TO AN AREA OF PROPERTY FOR PARCELS IN PARTICULAR ADJACENT TO MOORE'S CREEK. I'LL GIVE YOU THE SUMMARY FIRST. SO IN APRIL, 2023, THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY ENTERED INTO LOCAL AGREEMENT TO COLLABORATELY DEVELOP A NUMBER OF PLOTS ON AVENUE D BETWEEN 7TH AND 8TH STREET BETWEEN AVENUE D AND AVENUE C AND SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, THEY SET OUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES IN DOING THAT.

THAT LED TO A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS THAT WAS OUT THERE.

SO, WE DID HAVE A BIDDER WHO WON THAT.

AND AS PART OF THAT PROPOSAL WAS TO USE THAT PROPERTY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND RESPECT ALL THE FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES' IDEAS FOR A MODEL BLOCK PLAN.

SO, THE APPLICATION TODAY, WE HAVE TWO THINGS IN ONE.

WE HAVE A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT, AND ALSO A ZONING RECLASSIFICATION. NOW, THE PURPOSE OF THE ZONING LAND USE MAP AMENDMENT AND ZONING RECLASSIFICATION IS TO ENABLE THE PROPERTIES TO BE CLASSED AS COMMERCIAL, SO THEY COULD USE THE LIVE LOCAL ACT IN DEVELOPING THESE PROPERTIES.

UNUSUALLY, IN TERMS OF THE LIVE LOCAL APPLICATION HERE, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HAVE OVERALL CONTROL OVER WHAT GETS BUILT THERE.

SO, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE THE PARAMETERS OF LIVE LOCAL IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY AND THE HEIGHT AND SO FORTH, THE INTENT OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, FORT PIERCE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, ST. LUCIE COUNTY, ALL ARE LANDOWNERS

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IN THIS AND THEY HAVE THE ULTIMATE VETO, IF YOU LIKE, ON WHATEVER IS PROPOSED ON THIS PROPERTY. THE RFP DID PROPOSE A DEVELOPMENT, A MIXED USE OF SOME SMALL COMMERCIAL, I BELIEVE, VETERANS HOUSING AND SOME APARTMENTS.

BUT THAT'S STILL BEING WORKED ON AND IT IS NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.

AND THAT WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE PLANNING BOARD, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A LIVE LOCAL APPLICATION TO GET SOME PLANNING BOARD COMMENTS ON THAT.

SO, WE HAVE FOUR PARCELS THAT I SAY.

THEY ARE THE FOUR PARCELS, THEY ARE ALL AT THE MOMENT WITHIN ST. LUCIE COUNTY OWNERSHIP.

AND THEY'RE ALL DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM FUTURE LAND USE, AND ZONING OF R-4. AND THE PROPOSAL HERE IS TO AMEND THOSE TO BECOME COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE AND COMMERCIAL ZONING.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THE SITE THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE RFP ACTUALLY EXTENDS NORTHWARDS AND INCLUDES THE PROPERTY HERE, THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE MOORE'S CREEK AREA AND THE PROPERTIES BOTH TO THE EAST AND WEST, EAST AND WEST OF BROWN'S COURT. WE'RE STILL AWAITING THE FINAL SITE PLAN PROPOSAL, WHICH IS TO BE APPROVED BY THE THREE PARTIES INVOLVED, BUT YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THIS BLOCK IS ALREADY DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL.

WE HAVE A CHURCH IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CHURCH HAS BEEN APPROACHED TO BECOME PART OF THE SOLUTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY.

FUTURE LAND USE, PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL, SOME OPEN SPACE, AND WHICH WE'RE NOT CHANGING, AND THE INSTITUTIONAL.

SO IT IS A FAIRLY SIMPLE REQUEST.

IT IS ASKING THE PLANNING BOARD TO MOVE THE PROPOSED SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FORWARD AS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT TO LOOK FOR A REZONING APPROVAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION, BOTH WITH RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

AND I WON'T BE NEEDING TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS ON ONE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE AND ONE ON THE REZONING. THANK YOU, CHAIR.

>> THANK YOU, MR. FREEMAN. LET'S START OFF WITH ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD FOR STAFF.

>> I KNOW YOU SAID THIS WILL BE UNDER THE GOVERNING OF THE PLANNING BOARD AND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE IN PLACE TO MANDATE THAT THEY STAY WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES AS OPPOSED TO GOING TO THE LIVE

LOCAL? >> THEY CAN GO TO THE LIVE LOCAL. THEY DO NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER THE PROPERTY. THE CITY, ST. LUCIE COUNTY AND THE REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY HAVE CONTROL OVER THE PROPERTY, SO THEY WILL BE DETERMINING WHAT GETS APPROVED ON THIS SITE.

SO, IT IS NOT LIKE WE HAVE ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, WHERE A DEVELOPER HAS CONTROL OVER THE PROPERTY AND UTILIZES LIVE LOCAL TO MAX OUT THE DEVELOPMENT.

THAT'S NOT -- THAT'S NOT THE INTENT AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE WITH THIS PROPERTY.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? HEARING NONE, NORMALLY AT THIS TIME WE WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD. I THINK WE PRETTY MUCH ALREADY HEARD THAT. BUT I WILL OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE PUBLIC F , IF THERE ARE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME THAT WISH TO SPEAK OR COMMENT ON THIS ITEM 6- A, PLEASE DO SO NOW.

SEEING NO ONE, I WILL SEND IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COMMEND TS, CONCERNS. AND I WOULD ONLY COMMENT THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, LARGELY A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM, THE COUNTY BEING THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE FOUR PARCELS IN QUESTION, JUST LOOKING TO ALIGN THE ZONING WITH THE OTHER PROPERTIES ALONG WITH

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THE TRIAGENCY GROUP. I THINK THIS IS A FAIRLY EASY DECISION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. IF THERE ARE NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE CAN MOVE ON TO MOTIONS, BUT PLEASE BE REMINDED, WE DO NEED TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS, ONE FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE, AND ONE FOR THE ZONING.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE BY MISS CLEMONS, SECOND BY MISS CARTER. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

>> ON THE ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL FOR THE ZONING ATLAS MAP AMENDMENT.

>> SECOND.

>> REZONING, WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL BY MISS CLEMONS, SECOND BY MISS CARTER. PLEASE CALL THE

[a. PZANN2024-00003 Annexation - Tall Pines Parcel ID(s): 1433-210-0003-000-9 and 1433-310-0002-000-9]

>> YES. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

UP FIRST WE HAVE ITEM 7A, ANNEXATION TALL PINES.

MR. GILMORE HAS THE PRESENTATION.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN AND PLANNING BOARD.

BEFORE YOU WE HAVE AN ANNEXATION FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY LOCATED AT 314 SOUTH ERIE DRIVE WHICH EXISTS OF TWO PARCELS, 1433-210-0003-0009 AND 1433-310-0002-0009. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVES ARE RAQUEL SAMAROO AND JERROD PURSER, JONATHAN MAULDIN OF GRANITE TALL PINES LLC. THE TWO PARCELS ARE SEEKING ANNEXATION AND THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS RL, RESIDENTIAL LOW DENSITY W THE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF R- 1 SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY. THE CURRENT TAXABLE VALUE IS APPROXIMATELY 10. 6 MILLION. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT SITE. THE PARCELS IN PURPLE CONSIST OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, THE PARCELS IN THE KIND OF LIGHT RED ARE ST. LUCIE VILLAGE AND THE PARCELS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE THE TALL PINES TWO PARCELS.

OKAY. AND ALSO IT IS APPROXIMATELY 41. 63 PLUS OR MINUS ACRES. OKAY.

THE CURRENT ZONING IS RMH- 5 FOR ST. LUCIE COUNTY, WHICH IS FIVE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE IN THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE IS RM MEDIUM RESIDENTIAL.

THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE IS RL, LOW DENSITY.

AT FIRST THE ZONING WILL BE R- 1 SINGLE FAMILY LOW DENSITY. HOWEVER THE APPLICANT HAS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION WHICH IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM. OKAY.

THIS IS THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH IS RM, RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM.

AND THE PROPOSED IS RL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

MAXIMUM BUILDOUT POTENTIAL FOR THIS SITE CURRENTLY UNDER THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY FUTURE LAND USE, THEY COULD DO A MAXIMUM OF 374 UNITS WITH THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE'S RELATIVE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS A DECREASE OF 104 UNITS.

ALL AFFECTED DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED THE ANNEXATION WITH REGARDS TO CONSISTENCY WITH ESTABLISHED ORDINANCES AND REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT PLANNING BOARD RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION AND IT IS CONSISTENT WITH SECTION 125- 316 OF THE CITY COMP PLAN AND DOES NOT AFFECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, CONVENIENCE OR GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MR. GILMORE. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

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>> I HAVE A FEW. LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE PACKET WE RECEIVED, LISTING A NUMBER OF OBJECTIVES, ABOUT ANNEXATION S, ITEM 3 WHETHER THE ANNEXATION WOULD ELIMINATE AN INCORPORATED ISLAND OR COULD BE EXPANDED TO ELIMINATE AN UNINCORPORATED ISLAND. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THIS THAT WOULD ADDRESS ITEM THREE.

WE DON'T -- WE DON'T SEE AN UNINCORPORATED ISLAND OR WHAT IS THE WORD WE USE?

>> ENCLAVE.

>> ENCLAVE, YEAH. THAT WOULD BE RESOLVED BY THIS ANNEXATION. ALSO NUMBER FOUR, WHETHER THE ANNEXATION WOULD ELIMINATE AN IRREGULARITY OR IRREGULARITIES IN THE CITY'S BOUNDARIES THEREBY IMPROVING SERVICE DELIVERY. AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T -- THIS ANNEXATION DOES NOT APPEAR TO ADDRESS THAT OR ACCOMPLISH THAT IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY. WE STILL HAVE QUITE A BIT OF ISSUES TO THIS THAT ARE NOT ADDRESSED IN DEALING WITH THE CITY'S BOUNDARIES YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE FROM THE MAP.

I GUESS I WASN'T REALLY A QUESTION, MORE OF A CLARIFICATION THAT I WAS INTERPRETING THESE CORRECTLY.

>> YES, I THINK YOU ARE READING THOSE CORRECTLY.

I THINK THE ISSUE -- THE LARGER ISSUE IN THE CITY IS WE -- WE DON'T HAVE A CONSOLIDATED ANNEXATION STRATEGY OR A SETOUT CLEARLY WHAT THE FUTURE CITY LIMITS WILL BE. AND THAT HAS CAUSED THIS PATCHWORK SORT OF RESULT IN PROPERTIES AND YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH OF THIS BEING IN THE BEST EXAMPLE IN THE CITY WHERE THIS PATCHWORK IS, YOU KNOW, BEING ENABLED BY CURRENT POLICIES AND CONNECTIONS TO UTILITIES AND SO FORTH.

THE LARGER QUESTION AND THE REASON WHY STAFF LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, OKAY, ULTIMATELY DOES THE CITY BOUNDARIES EXTEND FURTHER THAN THIS, DOES IT -- DOES IT GO TO A POINT WHERE THE CITY WILL BE LOOKING TO GO EVEN FURTHER? I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT THAT THAT'S THE CASE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT STRATEGY IN HAND. THERE IS A DISCUSSION BEING SCHEDULED REGARDING THAT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND, IN FACT, I'LL BE MEETING AT THE END OF THIS MONTH TO DISCUSS THAT PROCESS IN MORE DEPTH AND ACTUALLY HOW THE CITY GOES AROUND ABOUT SETTING OUT THOSE BOUNDARIES AND WHERE DO THOSE LINES END. SO, I CAN'T SAY THAT I HAVE THAT CONSOLIDATED FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW AND I THINK YOUR READING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS

VALID. >> IT WOULD BE MY EVALUATION THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF A SPECIFIC POLICY, THIS SUBJECTIVE NATURE OF THE REVIEW OF THE BOARD AND THE COMMISSION ARE VERY VITAL. IS THERE A -- IS THERE AN PA? WAS THAT DONE THROUGH A SERVICE AGREEMENT THAT WOULD FORCE

ANNEXATION UNDER -- >> THAT IS USUALLY --

>> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE AGREEMENT, BUT THAT'S USUALLY THE CASE IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THOSE SERVICES, YOU HAVE TO SIGN AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT.

>> UNDERSTOOD. OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?

>> ARE YOU THINKING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE A -- SOME KIND OF CONDITION OF ANNEXATION IN PLACE?

>> MY -- MY POINT OF BRINGING UP THE SERVICE AGREEMENT WAS JUST THAT THE SERVICE AGREEMENTS ARE TYPICALLY WRITTEN SUCH SO THAT AN UNINCORPORATED OR OUTSIDE THE CITY PROPERTY COULD RECEIVE

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FUA SERVICES IN THE AGREEMENT THAT IF THEY EVER -- IF THE CONDITIONS EVER BECAME CORRECT WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND THEM, THAT THEY WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE FORCED TO COME INTO THE CITY.

BUT THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS ALL SURROUNDING THEM HAVE COME INTO THE CITY OR OTHER ANNEXATIONS CREATING AN ENCLAVE, WHICH WE DON'T REALLY HAVE HERE, BUT NOT TO SAY THAT THAT COULD NOT GET CREATED AGAIN IN THE FUTURE. AND THAT MAY BE VERY DEPENDENT ON NOT ONLY WHAT WE DO HERE TODAY, BUT ALSO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY ON A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR DEFINING THE CITY'S BOUNDARIES. SO, I JUST -- I WAS INTERESTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS A SERVICE AGREEMENT IN PLACE.

BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TALKING ABOUT ANNEXATIONS IN GENERAL I THINK, YOU KNOW, MY FOCUS IS ON ANNEXATIONS WITHIN THE MORE CONTIGUOUS PARTS OF THE CITY, WHICH ARE VERY LARGELY UNRESOLVED. AND PUSHING THE BOUNDARIES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST DON'T REALLY HELP US SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS A PROBLEM, CITY STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED IT IS A PROBLEM, AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AND SHOULD ADDRESS, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE HELPING OURSELVES OR MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE. WHICH IS WHY I WANTED TO BRING IT UP. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD IF THEY'RE HERE TODAY, PREPARED TO PRESENT.

PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME, SIGN IN.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. ERIN LEE WITH WGI.

THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION I'M- PRESENTING TODAY COVERS BOTH THE MASTER PLAN -- PRELIMINARY MASTER PLAN AND THE ANNEXATION. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM STAFF RELATING THAT SECOND APPLICATION FIRST OR WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO PROCEED WITH MY POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FIRST?

>> I THINK WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HEAR YOUR ENTIRE PRESENTATION AS YOU PREPARED IT.

>> OKAY.

>> YEAH, I WAS EMAILED. WE'RE WAITING ON VENNIS, THANK YOU. OKAY.

BEAUTIFUL. OKAY.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ERIN LEE WITH WGI AND REPRESENTING TALL PINES. THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCATED NEAR 314 SOUTH ERIE DRIVE IN THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY MUNICIPALITY CURRENTLY. THE SITE IS WEST OF U.S.

HIGHWAY 1, EAST OF NORTH 25TH STREET AND SOUTH OF ST. LUCIE BOULEVARD, SUBJECT SITE IS OUTLINED IN RED. THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY AN RV PARK.

THE SURROUNDING USE INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO THE SOUTH, VACANT LAND AND MOBILE HOME PARK TO THE EAST. MOBILE HOME, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND DUPLEX HOMES TO THE NORTH AND SINGLE FAMILY AND DUPLEX HOMES TO THE WEST. OUR APPLICATION IS REQUESTING AN ANNEXATION FROM ST. LUCIE COUNTY INTO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING APPLICATION REZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME 5 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

THE MASTER PD ZONING APPLICATION INCLUDES A 33 LOT RECREATIONAL VEHICLE PARK AND ADDITIONAL EIGHT MANUFACTURED HOMES ON SITE.

A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION THAT PRESENTS A CONCEPTUAL PROPOSAL, A FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION IS REQUIRED TO FINALIZE THE SITE PLAN.

THE SUBJECT SITE RECEIVED MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL IN 1990, AND A MINOR SITE PLAN REVISION IN 1994.

THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE WITHIN ST. LUCIE COUNTY IS RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM.

THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONED RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME 5.

AND THE PROPOSED ZONING ON THE SUBJECT SITE IS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

THE SUBJECT SITE ABUTS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TO THE SOUTH.

AND WE ARE WITHIN THE FPUA SERVICE AREA.

THE APPLICATION MEETS THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND

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POLICIES FOR ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. AND THIS IS FOR THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. THE SITE PLAN CURRENTLY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 214 MANUFACTURED HOMES, 40 UNOCCUPIED MANUFACTURED HOME LOTS, A CLUBHOUSE AND AMENITIES ON 41. 38 ACRES.

ACCESS TO THE SITE IS AVAILABLE OFF OF BRYANT ROAD ON THE WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND CHEROKEE AVENUE ON THE NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INCLUDES THE ADDITION OF 33 LONG- TERM RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SPACES IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, REPLACING AN EXISTING OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA.

ACCESS TO THE RV PARK WILL EXCLUSIVELY BE THROUGH THE GATED ACCESS FROM BRYANT ROAD, OVER HERE. EIGHT ADDITIONAL MANUFACTURED HOMES ARE PROPOSED IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT. ALONG WITH UPDATING SEVERAL AMENITIES WITHIN THE PARK INCLUDING A NEW POOL AND CABANA BUILDING WITH RESTROOMS AND SHOWERS. THE EXISTING PICKLEBALL AND BOCHY COURTS ARE BEING RELOCATED AND REORIENTED TO BETTER SERVE THE RESIDENTS.

SO AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE ACCESS TO THE RV PARK WILL BE THROUGH THE GATED ENTRANCE ON BRYANT ROAD.

THE PARKING LOT TO THE EAST OF THE ENTRANCE IS PROPOSED TO BE IMPROVED AS WELL AS THE ADDITION OF A POOL AND CABANA. AS WELL AS PICKLEBALL COURTS AND BOCCE COURTS WILL BE RELOCATED. SO HERE AND HERE.

OKAY, RECORDS REQUEST TO ST. LUCIE COUNTY REVEAL THERE ARE NO CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS ON SITE CURRENTLY.

SO THE PERIMETER SETBACK THAT WE ARE PROVIDING IS 20 FEET FROM THE FRONT YARD, CODE SECTION 125- 193 B 2 A REQUIRES 25 FEET, HOWEVER THIS IS NOT A NONCONFORMITY SETBACKS AT THE PERIMETER OF THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE DETERMINED BY THE CITY COMMISSION, THE MINIMUM PD PERIMETER SETBACK REQUIRED BY THE SECTION CANNOT BE ACHIEVED DUE TO EXCEPTIONAL NARROWNESS, SHALLOWNESS, SHAPE AND TOPOGRAPHIC CONDITIONS OR PHYSICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL FEATURES UNIQUELY AFFECTING THE SUBJECT AREA. SO WE ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY VARIANCES AT THIS TIME. THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT CRITERIA OUTLINED IN THE CODE.

WE HAVE DONE QUITE A BIT OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOR THIS PROJECT, FOUR MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS WERE HELD AND SEVERAL CHANGES OR CONDITIONS WERE IDENTIFIED AS A RESULT OF THESE MEETINGS, INCLUDING RVS USING THE WEST GATE ONLY, USING A KEYPAD, AND A NEW ACCESS ROAD AND NEW SIDEWALK INSTALLED AND ADDITIONAL SWIMMING POOL AND RESTROOMS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED, WATER, SEWER AND POWER INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADED OVER TIME.

BOCCE COURTS RESERVED AND THE 55 PLUS AGE RESTRICTION WILL ALSO BE MAINTAINED.

SEVERAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE SITE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE INCLUDING A NEW ENTRANCE SITE, IMPROVING THE FISHING PIER, AND OUTDOOR KITCHEN HAS BEEN ADDED FOR RESIDENTS TO ENJOY, AND THE CLUBHOUSE INTERIOR WAS RENOVATED.

WITH FURTHER IMPROVEMENTS FORTH COMING. THE POOL DECK WAS RENOVATED WITH A FENCE ADDED HERE. AND THE PICKLEBALL COURTS WERE RESURFACED. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED ANNEXATION AND MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT ZONING. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> GO AHEAD.

>> MISS CARTER.

>> THE SETBACK -- UNIQUE ISSUES THAT CAUSED THE SETBACK NOT TO HAPPEN, WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU REFERRING TO IN YOUR PLAN?

>> LET ME GO BACK HERE.

>> ON A DIFFERENT -- >> SORRY.

OKAY, SO, THE PERIMETER SETBACK WAS SET AT 20 FEET AND IT IS BECAUSE OF -- AND BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY WE'RE NOT JUST ABLE TO EXTEND IT TO THE 25 FEET THE WAY IT IS NOW.

>> IS IT JUST TOO NARROW AND NOT ENOUGH SPACE?

>> CORRECT.

>> AND THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE MINIMUM SETBACK FOR EACH

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INDIVIDUAL UNIT ON THE PROPERTY?

>> THIS IS THE PERIMETER SETBACK, YES.

>> UNDERSTOOD.

>> I NOTICED THAT WHEN YOU HAD YOUR MEETING WITH YOUR RESIDENTS IT WAS IN 2023, WHICH WAS TWO YEARS AGO. ARE YOU ALL HAVING UPDATED MEETINGS, I'M SURE YOUR RESIDENTS MAY HAVE TRANSITIONED.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THAT'S THE WORD.

>> I BELIEVE THOSE FOUR MEETINGS WERE SPECIFIC TO THE APPLICATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

THERE IS AN HOA AND OUR -- THE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE HOA DO MEET REGULARLY AS WELL. AND TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL ÚANNEXATION, SO, YES, THERE HAVE BEEN ADDITIONAL MEETINGS AS WELL.

>> THANK YOU.

>> HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE THE NECESSITY FOR ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT?

>> THE NECESSITY? SORRY.

I'M JUST MAKING SURE EVERYBODY CAN HEAR ME.

I THINK IT IS TWOFOLD. I THINK WE'RE ALSO -- WE'RE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE. THE SURROUNDING AREA IS BEING ANNEXED AND IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO FILL THE GAPS AND FILL THE HOLES, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE FURTHEST NORTH.

THERE IS ALREADY PROPERTIES TO OUR WEST THAT ARE FURTHER NORTH. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE KIND OF A SAY IN HOW THE ANNEXATION GOES.

AND BE PROACTIVE IN THAT REGARD. AND ANNEXING ALLOWS US TO ADD THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE ASPECT TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, ALLOW THAT RECREATIONAL VEHICLE USE ON SITE AND CREATE SOME REVENUE THAT CAN HELP FURTHER ENHANCE AND IMPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT.

>> SO THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLE USE IS NOT PERMITTED WITHIN THE COUNTY JURISDICTION?

>> AT THE CURRENT ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE, NO.

>> UNDERSTOOD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE SITE PLAN THAT ARE -- WOULD OTHERWISE BE PROHIBITED BY THE REGULATIONS SET FORTH BY THE COUNTY?

>> THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR? NO.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? HEARING NONE, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF THERE IS ANYBODY --

>> CHAIRMAN KREISL, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO DO THE STAFF PRESENTATION FOR THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

>> WELL, WE'RE TECHNICALLY STILL ON ITEM 7A, THE

ANNEXATION. >> OH, OKAY.

>> WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT FIRST AND THEN MOVE ON TO STAFF PRESENTATION IF NECESSARY FOR ITEM 7B.

BUT, SPEAKING ABOUT ANNEXATION SPECIFICALLY, ITEM 7A IS WHAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW. I WOULD OPEN THE PODIUM TO ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE HERE TODAY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ANNEXATION PORTION, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, PLEASE COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.

WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SIGN IN.

THEY GET TWO MINUTES?

>> THREE. >> THREE MINUTES.

>> MY NAME IS STANLEY. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF BEDROCK TALL PINES HOA. ON THIS WE WENT THROUGH THIS IN DECEMBER. AND ON THE ANNEXATION, THEY SAY TWO PARCELS OF LAND, AND WE BROUGHT UP THEY'RE SHOWING THREE. NOW, ON THE INTERNET, WHEN I LOOKED UP THEY HAVE AN EXHIBIT A, WHICH SHOWS THREE PARCELS. AND ON THE MAP, ON THE INTERNET, SHOWING THAT THIRD PROPERTY, WHICH IS A DUPLEX ON CHEROKEE AND YUGO. WHICH IS IT? IS IT TWO OR THREE? NEXT THING IS, ON YOUR PLAN, THE -- NOT THAT ONE. THIS ONE.

ABOUT THE ROADS. YOUR ANNEXATION, IT SAYS NO COMMENTS, BUT ADVISORY, THE CITY SHOULD CONSIDER TAKING OVER OWNERSHIP AND MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR CHEROKEE AND SENECA.

THOSE ROADS -- SENECA IS ONLY 18 FEET, 9 INCHES WIDE.

YOU'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING MOTORCOACHES DOWN THERE, MOTOR HOMES, AND WHAT NOT. ME WITH MY TRAILER, FIFTH WHEEL, AND MY TRUCK, F 350, FROM MIRROR TO MIRROR IS NINE FEET

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WIDE. SO IF I GOT NINE FEET AND NINE FEET, THAT'S 18, THAT GIVES US NINE INCHES CLEARANCE TO PASS EACH OTHER. THAT AIN'T GOOD.

ANOTHER THING, THERE IS ANOTHER INVOLVED IN THIS.

BRYANT ROAD GOES FROM SENECA TO THE BACK GATE OF THE MOBILE HOME PARK. THAT'S NOT MENTIONED ON HERE. THAT ROAD IS TORN UP. AND WE GOT PICTURES OF IT SHOWING THE DEEP POTHOLES.

WHO IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? AND LIKE I SAID, IT SAYS ON THE APPLICATION, FOR ANNEXATION, IT ONLY LISTED TWO PROPERTIES, NOT THREE THAT THEY HAVE ON THEIR AMENDMENT. AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I GOT TO SAY FOR RIGHT NOW. BUT I -- YEAH, I TAKE THAT BACK.

THERE IS ONE OTHER THING. THE EASEMENT, WE HAVE A DEED HERE THAT SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT GOT, THEY HAVE A TEN FOOT EASEMENT OFF THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE GOING NORTH. FOR INSPIRE TO PUT THEIR ROAD IN, 16 FEET WIDE, AND IT IS MENTIONED ON -- I THINK THINGS THAT HAD TO BE DONE. ENGINEERING CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL. IT SAYS PROVIDE A TEN FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER AS MEASURED FROM THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE TO PROPOSED 16 FOOT ROADWAY. FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO THE BUILDING, IT IS ALONG THE CANAL, IT IS ONLY 22 FEET.

YOU TURN AROUND AND SUBTRACT 10, THAT LEAVES 12, THAT'S NOT COUNTING THE OVERHANG ON THE ROOF.

SO, CAN'T PUT A PROOF ROOF THERE IN MY OPINION. ANOTHER THING, SUPPOSED TO GIVE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE PARKING STALLS, AND EXIT AISLES. THERE IS AN EASEMENT COMING OFF THE CREEK WHERE -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS, I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT, I KNOW THERE IS ONE, THEY CAN'T PUT A ROAD THERE OR WHATEVER, AND THAT'S THE OTHER TWO THINGS I HAD. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

>> MY NAME IS MIKE. I'M A RESIDENT OF TALL PINES.

THANK YOU FOR SEEING THIS. WE APPRECIATE IT.

I HAVE A HANDOUT, THERE IS A LOT OF ORDINANCES THAT ARE NOT BEING FOLLOWED. I ALSO HAVE A COVER PAGE THAT ALL THE RESIDENTS ARE AGAINST, OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST THE ANNEXATION. I HAVEN'T TALKED TO ALL OF THEM.

EVERYONE I TALKED TO. ON THE FRONT PAGE IS A COVER PAGE. THE SECOND PAGE IS ACTUALLY THE ORDINANCES THAT DON'T MATCH UP TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

ON THE COVER PAGE I BASICALLY HAVE WHO IS INSPIRE, WHO IS THE PARENT COMPANY, APOLLO? BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU, THEY'RE BOTH F RATED.

THAT'S 13 RATINGS LOWER. ON BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU, WHY CHOOSE A CREDITED COMPANY? HALLMARK OF TRUST AND RELIABILITY. I KNOW I ONLY HAVE TWO MINUTES.

BUT THERE IS BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU RATINGS.

13 OF THEM. THEY'RE THE LOWEST.

BOTH COMPANIES. ON YOUR THING, IT SAYS HERE THE R-1, RL, THEY'RE WAY OFF OF THAT, EVEN ON WGI'S DOCUMENTS.

THEY HAVE BOCCE COURTS MOVED, 50% REMOVED.

REMOVED. WE HAVE SIX, THEIR PLANS, THE LAST PAGE ON THERE, THREE. I MEAN, WE ARE LOW TO VERY LOW INCOME. WHAT BENEFITS DO WE GET? IF YOU SEE ON THE SECOND PAGE, YOU CAN SEE -- I KNOW MY TIME IS LIMITED, BUT I POINTED OUT EVERY SINGLE ORDINANCE, AND THE QUESTION, IT IS NOT THAT -- HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF YOU ANNEX THIS, WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE ITEMS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY YOU? THEY'RE GRANDFAHERED IN, ARE THEY NOT? FOR ONE THING, JUST LIKE MR. STANLEY, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA SAID, IS WE NEED THAT

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TEN- FOOT BUFFER AND YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT SAID TEN- FOOT BUFFER. I HAVE A PICTURE OF IT HERE.

THE SENECA ROADWAY ALSO IS 18. 9 FEET AND RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY OF FORT PIERCE, ALSO HAVE A PICTURE, 18. 9 FEET MEASURED, THAT THEY RECOMMEND THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE TAKES OVER. NOW, IF YOU SEE THAT SECOND PAGE, IT IS ALL THE ORDINANCES AND THE NUMBERS.

AND THERE IS QUESTIONS ON IT. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO ANSWER THEM RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT THEM AND SEE WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE.

THERE IS A LOT OF THEM. I MEAN, GARBAGE, RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE NO PLAN FOR WHERE IS THE GARBAGE GOING TO BE. CITY OF FORT PIERCE SAID IF YOU'RE AN INDIVIDUAL FOR ELECTRIC AND INDIVIDUAL FOR WATER, WHICH WE ARE, WE'RE METERED FOR BOTH, INDIVIDUAL PICKUP, OUR ROADS CAN'T HANDLE.

THE ROAD I LIVE ON IS 18 FEET. AND THEY JUST PATCHED IT UP.

I THINK THERE IS OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE PICTURES OF THE PUDDLES AFTER THEY PATCHED. THERE IS A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED. THIS -- I KNOW YOUR PLAN, YOUR DOCUMENT ACTUALLY STATES WE CAN GET SOME -- COULD GET SOME TAXES FROM THIS, $10 MILLION PROPERTY. OR IT COULD BE A DRAIN FOR YOU GUYS TOO. IT COULD COST YOU A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE IF THEY'RE SAYING EVERYBODY IS COMING THROUGH SENECA AVENUE, THERE IS NO SIDEWALKS, THERE IS KIDS, THERE ARE WEIGHT LIMITS OF NO TRUCKS OVER 6,000 POUNDS. RVS CAN BE UP TO 30,000 POUNDS.

AND NOW IT IS GOING TO BE REGULAR ON THAT STREET.

>> THANK YOU.

>> WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT JUST A REMINDER TO EVERYONE, PLEASE SILENCE YOUR DEVICES IF YOU COULD.

>> MY NAME IS PETER, DIRECTOR OF THE HOA OF TALL PINES.

GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY. AND HERE WE ARE AGAIN. AS YOU SEE, OUR POSITION HASN'T CHANGED. MY ANALOGY FOR THIS PROJECT IS LIKE TRYING TO PUT A SIZE 10 FOOT IN A 9 1/2 SHOE.

IT IS IMPRACTICAL. IT IS GOING TO BE TIGHT.

IT IS GOING TO HURT. NOW, IN HER PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WGI SHOWED, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN DONE RECENTLY. I'VE BEEN THERE TWO YEARS, THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN THERE.

SOME OF THE PROPOSED STUFF IS NOT EVEN DONE, IN THE WORKS YET. MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IS THAT A TWO- YEAR RESIDENT IN TALL PINES, MY EXPERIENCE WITH INSPIRE HAS BEEN THIS, AS WELL AS MR. JARVIS'S BEHAVIOR, DISRESPECTFUL, BELLIGERENT AND THESE PEOPLE UNSCRUPULOUS TO DO BUSINESS WITH.

WE -- THEY OWN US. SO WE EITHER LIKE IT OR LEAVE.

THAT'S THEIR ATTITUDE ABOUT IT. YOU HAVE A CHOICE.

AND THAT CHOICE WOULD REQUIRE SOME COMPASSION AND SOME CONSCIENCE. TALL PINES HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR ABOUT 46 YEARS. IT IS A VERY QUIET, PEACEFUL AND COMFORTABLE PLACE. MOSTLY ALL THE PEOPLE THAT COME DOWN, THEY FALL IN LOVE AND SAY WE WOULD LOVE TO LIVE HERE, MANY OF THEM INCLUDING MYSELF DO. WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE SECOND GENERATION, WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS, MY NEIGHBOR JUST PASSED AWAY, WAS 42 YEARS THERE. OVER TIME, IT ESTABLISHED A REALLY COMFORTABLE CULTURE, AND LIFESTYLE.

WE HAVE -- YOU'LL SEE IN A SECOND.

WE HAVE -- LIKE I SAID, PEOPLE OF -- WE HAVE SECOND GENERATION PEOPLE LIVING THERE. WE ARE JUST ASKING FOR -- WE'RE ALL RETIRED PEOPLE. INCOME VARIES.

AND THIS IS THE PLACE WE HAVE CHOSEN TO RETIRE AND SPEND THE REST OF OUR LIVES.

THIS PROJECT CAN TOTALLY DESTROY THAT CULTURE AND THAT LIFESTYLE. YOU MIGHT AS WELL DIG ME A HOLE IN THE BACKYARD AND PLANT ME OR I'LL HAVE TO MOVE, WHICH FINANCIALLY I CAN'T DO,

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I'M KIND OF TRAPPED WITH THIS.

WE JUST ASK THAT YOU GIVE US OLD FOLKS A BREAK AND VOTE WITH COMPASSION AND VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE.

THIS IS JUST NOT A PRACTICAL FIT FOR US, IF YOU EVER COME DOWN TO SEE IT, AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE SCOPE, YOU'LL SEE IT IS JUST AWKWARD AT BEST.

AND IT IS NOT GOING TO BE -- IT IS GOING TO MAKE OUR LIFE PRETTY MUCH MISERABLE. THAT WILL BE WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE REST OF OUR LIFE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION HERE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

>> HELLO. I WILL MAKE THIS SHORT AND SWEET. MY NAME IS ALAN KINNEY, A TWO- YEAR RESIDENT AT TALL PINES.

MY WIFE AND I DECIDED TO MOVE INTO TALL PINES BECAUSE OF WHAT WE SAW. WE LOOKED EXTENSIVELY UP AND DOWN ST. LUCIE, ALL THE -- THE DIFFERENT SPANISH LAKES THAT THEY HAVE, YOU NAME A COMMUNITY, WE SPENT TIME, WE SPENT OVER THREE MONTHS TRAVELING FROM PENNSYLVANIA DOWN HERE. WE CHOSE TALL PINES BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE FELT WHEN WE WERE THERE. WE LIKE THE WAY THE PEOPLE TALK TO US, WE LIKE THE HOME LAYOUT, THE SECURITY WE FELT. PERSONALLY ME AND MY WIFE WERE NOT AGAINST THIS RV PARK. PROGRESS IS PROGRESS.

IT HAPPENS. WE JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE QUALITY. OUR BIGGEST CONCERN ON LOSS OF QUALITY IS THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS YOU ALL KNOW IN MAY, THAT SCATHING REPORT WAS ISSUED, THE CITY COMMISSIONER TURNED AROUND AND SAID WE GOT SERIOUS PROBLEMS HERE, WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. A WEEK OR SO LATER, THE POLICE CHIEF RESIGNED. NOW THEY GOT A NEW ONE IN.

THAT'S WHAT MY CONCERN IS. MY CONCERN IS I'M AFRAID THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE CAN'T HANDLE THESE -- THIS NEW PIECE OF PROPERTY BEING BROUGHT IN.

I'M AFRAID MY SERVICES, MY WHOLE LIFESTYLE, IS GOING DOWN.

EVERYTHING I OWN IS INVESTED IN THAT PROPERTY.

PLEASE, DO THE RIGHT THING AND KEEP MY VALUE WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.

THANK YOU.

>> SIR, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU SIGN IN BEFORE YOU LEAVE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE YOUR NAME.

THANK YOU.

>> -- PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PARK AND EVERYTHING --

>> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS NANCY WALL, A RESIDENT OF TALL PINES. AND MY MAIN EMPHASIS IS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE BASED ON A NUMBER OF NUMEROUS FACTORS THAT YOU WOULD WANT A PARTNER WITH THE COMPANY THAT OWNS OUR PARK.

AND I HAVE PLENTY OF EXAMPLES TO SHOW YOU.

THEY CANNOT MAINTAIN THEIR CURRENT PARK TO WHERE WE LIVE. IT IS IN DISREPAIR.

WE HAVE LIGHT SWITCHES IN OUR BATHROOMS WHICH YOU PUT YOUR HAND THROUGH, BUT YOU TELL THEM TO FIX IT, THEY TAPE IT WITH SCOTCH TAPE. WE HAVE HOLES IN OUR ROADS AFTER IT HAS BEEN REPAIRED.

WE HAVE HUGE PUDDLES LIKE LAKES AFTER IT RAINS.

WE HAVE A VARIETY OF UNMANAGED PIECES OF PROPERTY AND NO RESPONSE OR A PUTOFF WHICH ENDS UP NOTHING HAPPENING.

I HAVE SOME HANDOUTS THAT YOU CAN -- IF YOU PASS THEM ALONG FOR EACH OF YOU, WHEN YOU ENTER OUR PARK, THERE IS A LOVELY SIGN THAT SAYS YOUR DREAM HOME AWAITS.

>> PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU STAY CLOSE TO THE MICROPHONE, THANK

YOU. >> SIGN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PARK THAT SAYS YOUR DREAM HOME AWAITS. AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES THAT THEY USE FOR THEIR MARKETING, AND WITH THE REALITY IS. THEY'RE MARKETING HEAVY, ONLINE, IN PRINT.

AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS SOMETHING THAT LOOKS QUITE BEAUTIFUL. THE REALITY IS THAT THEY HAVE PUT IN TRAILERS THAT LOOK LIKE CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS THAT WERE PUT IN BACKWARDS, THEY HAVE SINCE FIXED, BUT WERE PUT IN BACKWARDS.

THEY HAVE FAKE WINDOWS IN THE FRONT, THEY JUST PUT WINDOWS WITH SHUTTERS BUT THEY'RE FAKE, THEY'RE PLASTIC, YOU CAN SEE THE BEEPER DOESN'T GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH. WHERE FIRE PERSONNEL MIGHT GO IS A CRAPSHOOT. THEY MAY BE BREAKING INTO A HOUSE INTO A WINDOW. BY LAW N , IN THE MOBILE HOME PARKS, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE COVERED CARPORTS AND SHEDS ATTACHED. YOU'LL SEE PICTURES PROVIDED FOR THE MOST RECENT INSTALLS OF TEN HOMES DO NOT HAVE ANY OF THOSE AND THEY SAID THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THEM.

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WE HAVE A TOTAL OCCUPANCY LOAD OF 258 PEOPLE FOR OUR POOL, IT IS A BEAUTIFUL POOL. WITH THE CURRENT POPULATION AND ADDITIONAL -- WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING FOR ADDITIONAL HOMES AS WELL AS AN RV CAMPER PARK, THAT WOULD BE 721 PEOPLE.

WE HAVE A LIMIT OF 22 TO -- OR 27 DEPENDING ON WHICH SIGN YOU LOOK AT, PER POOL.

THAT LEAVES ABOUT 600 PEOPLE GOING INTO THE POOL.

WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING IS NOT SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT WE HAVE, NEVER MIND AN ADDITIONAL 33 UNITS. I HAVE INCLUDED A PICTURE OF OUR KITCHEN, WHICH HAS A SIGN THAT SAYS PLEASE DO NOT SHUT THE KITCHEN LIGHTS OFF.

BECAUSE THEY'RE BROKEN. AND WE CAN'T TURN THEM OFF BECAUSE THEN WE CAN'T TURN THEM BACK ON.

SO, THEIR MAINTENANCE IS VERY POOR.

THIS IS GOING ON FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, OVER A YEAR, LEAST, AS FAR AS I KNOW.

WE HAVE A KITCHEN THAT IS VERY, VERY SMALL TO ACCOMMODATE 721 PEOPLE IF EVERYBODY IS THERE.

IT IS KIND OF RIDICULOUS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY BE EXPECTED TO PREPARE AND IN A VERY SMALL AREA WITH POOR LIGHTING.

>> I NEED YOU TO CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.

TIME IS UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE THE VISUAL AIDS. IT IS VERY HELPFUL, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? GOOD AFTERNOON.

KAREN WELLS, FORT PIERCE. I ONLY HAVE ONE VERY SHORT THING TO ADD BECAUSE THEY -- WHEN THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ENTRANCE TO GET INTO THE PARK ON THE BACK WAY VIA SENECA, I -- WHEN I COME BACK UP NORTH 25TH TO GO BACK HOME AFTER SHOPPING, I OFTEN AM BEHIND A SCHOOL BUS ON ST.

LUCIE, AND SO I DECIDE ALWAYS TO TAKE A SHORT CUT.

IF YOU GO DOWN SENECA, IF YOU TAKE A RIGHT DOWN SENECA ON THE WEEKEND, YOU CANNOT GET THROUGH. I HAVE A SMALL CAR, I CAN JUST BARELY FIT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TONS OF COMPANY, THEY HAVE THEIR PARTIES, AND IT IS ALWAYS BUSY.

THAT CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME AFTER WORK.

THOSE ARE DUPLEXES WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVING CARS AND PARKING THERE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST REALLY IMPORTANT TO BRING THAT UP.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST DRIVING DOWN THAT ROAD BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THOSE BIG VEHICLES, NOR THE WORK TRUCKS COMING IN TO DO THE LABOR WHICH NO ONE ELSE HAS MENTIONED.

HOW MANY TIMES HAVE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS COME IN TO DO EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO DO? THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYONE ELSE?

>> MY NAME IS CHRISTIE WICKS, PRESIDENT OF THE SOCIAL CLUB. I DIDN'T THINK I WAS GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN HOA BECAUSE A LOT OF STUFF TICKS ME OFF.

I WANT TO PAINT MY DOOR RED, I'M GOING TO PAINT IT RED. I'M NOT AN HOA PERSON.

BUT WHEN I MOVED IN THERE, THE MANAGER TOLD ME THAT THEY WOULD NOT BE BUILDING, THEY WOULD NOT BE DOING ANYTHING, AND I LIVE -- MY VIEW IS THE BIG GRASS CIRCLE WHERE THEY'RE PLANNING ON PUTTING EIGHT TRAILERS.

WE CALL THEM TRAILERS. AND WHEN I MOVED IN, I WAS INFORMED BY THE PEOPLE WHO OWNED IT BEFORE AND BEFORE THAT THERE WAS A HURRICANEHURRICANE THEY TOOK ALL THE HOUSES, THEY DUG A HOLE, AND THEY BURIED THEM IN THERE AND COVERED IT WITH DIRT. WELL, THEY'RE ROTTING NOW AND SO THE LAND IS LIKE THIS, YOU ARE OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE GETTING INTO.

MY LITTLE GRANDSON IS OUT THERE PLAYING, SOMETIMES I HAVE TO LOOK BECAUSE IT IS A DIP. SO, GOOD LUCK TO THAT.

AND EVERY TIME -- I'VE BEEN THERE THREE YEARS, THEY TOLD ME THE RENT WAS NOT GOING TO RAISE, I WAS THERE ONE MONTH, IT RAISED AND IT RAISED EVERY YEAR, AND NOW THEY'RE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH BACK TAXES THAT DON'T INVOLVE ME, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO NAIL US FOR THEIR BACK TAX STUFF. THEY'RE CROOKED. SO I'M NOT HAPPY THERE.

AND THE SAD THING IS THE CANADIANS ARE SO SCARED THAT THEY'RE SELLING THEIR HOUSES FOR A THIRD OR FOURTH OF WHAT THEIR VALUE IS, SO OUR -- LIKE US, THAT MOVED THERE, THINKING WE'RE GOING TO LIVE THERE THE REST OF OUR LIVES, I JUST LOST $40,000.

SO, I'M KIND OF IN A BIND THERE, STUCK

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THERE, WITH THE PRICES GOING UP. AND I MOVED INTO THE COUNTY ON PURPOSE. I LIVED IN CITIES AND COUNTIES AND I DON'T WANT TO PAY THE EXTRA TAXES FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND ALL THE STUFF Y'ALL ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.

THAT'S MY TWO CENTS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> I'M DAN, I'M A RESIDENT OF TALL PINES. ONE THING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED IS THE IMPACT ON LAW ENFORCEMENT. FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY UNDERSTAFFED. UNDER GREAT PRESSURE AT THE MOMENT. THEY PROJECT THEY WOULD NEED TO HIRE 2. 9 MORE OFFICERS. LET'S CALL IT 3, AT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS COST TO TRAIN AND HIRE THEM, PROBABLY OVER $200,000 TO SATISFY THE NEEDS OF THE ANNEXATION. THEY'RE ALREADY UNDER STRESS RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS GOING TO CREATE MORE FOR THEM. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS CHRIS KONO. I'M ONE OF THE SECOND GENERATION FOLKS AT TALL PINES.

MY PARENTS LIVED THERE FOR 25 YEARS.

AND UPON THEIR PASSING, I TOOK THEIR HOME AND MOVED IN AND MADE IT MY OWN. AND I AGREE WITH THIS GENTLEMAN BEHIND ME, FOR ALL THESE YEAR S PEOPLE WERE ATTRACTED TO TALL PINES BECAUSE OF THE NICE QUIET COMMUNITY THAT IT WAS. THE FRIENDLY COMMUNIY THAT IT WAS. EVEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE WINTER FOLKS THAT COME DOWN, IT IS COMMUNITY. THE GENTLEMAN THAT SAID HE DOESN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RV PARK, I THINK I CAN SAY THAT HE'S THE EXCEPTION AND NOT THE RULE. I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING PROBABLY FOR A LOT OF FOLKS IS THE RV PARK. LIKE THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND ME SAID, WE LIKE OUR NICE QUIET COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S WHAT ATTRACTED PEOPLE THERE, AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO KEEP PEOPLE THERE AND SO I -- I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU DENY THE REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> MY NAME IS SUE DAVIDSON. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT AT TALL PINES 13 YEARS.

>> FINALLY MADE IT UP HERE.

>> FORMER PROPERTY OWNER AT ONE POINT.

>> GOOD, GOOD.

>> ONE CONCERN, LIKE, ONE LADY SAID ABOUT THE EIGHT ADDITIONAL HOMES THEY WANT TO PUT IN THE CENTER. I THINK WHEN THEY -- WHAT THEY DID WHEN THEY CONSTRUCTED -- ORIGINALLY CONSTRUCTED THE PARK, THEY DUG HOLES AND CUT DOWN TREES, PINE TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THEN ALL THAT IS NOW ROTTING MORE AND MORE, SO THE GROUND IS SINKING IN THAT AREA.

BIG MISTAKE IF THEY WOULD HAVE PUT EIGHT HOMES, FOR SURE.

THE OTHER THING IS THE TRASH. QUESTION IS IF IT IS COMPLIANT WITH FORT PIERCE REGULATIONS.

TRASH PICKUP AT INDIVIDUAL HOMES IS WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US CAN ROADS THAT WERE SUPPOSEDLY IMPROVED. IN 2024, LOOKED LIKE THEY COULD ACTUALLY HANDLE THE WEAR AND TEAR OF THE GARBAGE TRUCKS.

I DON'T THINK SO. OUR DRAINAGE RIGHT NOW IN THE ROADS IS -- YOU GO OVER IT WITH A CAR.

AND YOU ALMOST FEEL LIKE IT IS GOING TO CAVE IN, IN SOME PLACES. NEVER MIND THE BIG, BIG PUDDLES WITH THE SUPPOSED IMPROVEMENTS THEY DID.

SO, A LOT OF THINGS WE THINK YOU PEOPLE SHOULD CONSIDER, FOR SURE.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> AND SOIL TESTING WAS DONE, DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE PARK WITH THE TREES DECOMPOSING AND EVERYTHING, THAT SOIL TESTING WAS DONE, NOT BY INSPIRE, BY A FORMER OWNER.

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THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU.

>> SECOND GENERATION, I'VE LIVED IN THE PARK 23 YEARS, AND I LOVE IT THERE.

BUT ALL THATTHAT FROM THE RV PARK IS NOT GOOD.

AND IT WAS STATED THAT THE ENTRANCE FOR THE RV VEHICLES WOULD BE FROM THE WEST GATE.

THE WEST GATE ENTERS INTO OUR PARK, WHERE THERE ARE MANY RESIDENTS. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT CAME FROM. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET IN IF THEY'RE NOT COMING FROM ANOTHER WAY? I'M ONE OF THE ONES, WE DON'T WANT THIS, IT IS GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE.

AS QUIET AS IT IS, AND WE HAVE RV PARKS, THESE PEOPLE ARE PARTYING, THEY'RE PARTYING ON VACATION, WE'RE LIVING HERE, TRYING TO ENJOY OURSELVES. AND THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU.

>> HI. I'M SHARON MINISTER, I LIVED AT THE PARK FOR THREE YEARS. I, LIKE THE OTHERS, EVERY SINGLE YEAR, THE RENT IS RAISED. PICKLEBALL COURT AS THE LADY SAID IN THE BEGINNING, IT IS NOT REPAIRED. HOLES IN THE PARKING LOT, THERE ARE THREE HUGE HOLES OF ASPHALT THERE AND BACK. THEY COULD FIX IT, THEY REFUSE.

THEY WON'T EVEN LISTEN TO ANY OF THE RESIDENTS.

THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. YOU ALREADY HAVE COME TO THE PODIUM TO SPEAK. SO, IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, PLEASE DO SO.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I WOULD JUST -- YOU CAN COME FORWARD, I JUST WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOUR CONCERNS HAVE BEEN VOICED BY A PREVIOUS COMMENT, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO STAND. YOU'RE THE PUBLIC, WE'RE HERE TO LISTEN TO YOU. WE'LL BE HERE AS LONG AS IT TAKES, BUT JUST IN THE INTEREST OF MOVING EVERYTHING ALONG, AND TO THE APPLICANT I WILL POINT OUT THAT ONCE EVERYBODY IS DONE, I WILL GIVE YOU THE PODIUM FOR TIME TO MOUNT ANY REBUTTALS YOU WISH TO HAVE.

>> HI. MY NAME IS MICHAEL GWAY.

I'M BRINGING A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE.

I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU. I WAS SUPERINTENDENT MECHANICAL SERVICES AT A UNIVERSITY IN CONNECTICUT, QUINNIPIAC UNIVERSITY FOR 16 YEARS. I KNOW MECHANICAL.

I'VE MENTIONED TO THE OWNERS THE WORKERS WHEN YOU SEE SETTLING AROUND A STORM HOLE, IT MEANS THERE IS A LEAK UNDERGROUND AND THE GROUND IS WASHING AWAY. IT HAS BEEN LIKE THAT FOR THREE YEARS AND IT IS GETTING WORSE, ALL RIGHT.

THAT'S JUST ONE ITEM. THE OTHER THING IS THEY HAVEN'T -- THEIR IDEA OF A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF THE POOL, THEY REMOVED ABOUT HALF THE LOUNGE CHAIRS THAT WE USED TO BE ABLE TO USE, AND THEY PUT THEM IN A STORAGE CLOSET. ALL RIGHT.

THEY REMOVED ABOUT HALF THE TABLES AND CHAIRS THAT WE USED TO HAVE BECAUSE IT MADE IT LOOK MORE OPEN. IF YOU LOOK GOOD AT THE PICTURES OF THAT BEAUTIFUL GRILL AREA, YOU'LL SEE LOCKS ON THEM.

ALL RIGHT. WE CAN'T USE THEM AT OUR LEISURE. THAT'S THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP. LIKE THE LADY SAID EARLIER, I COULDN'T BELIEVE WHEN THEY PUT MOBILE HOMES IN, AND THE DOORWAY WAS HALFWAY DOWN THE DRIVEWAY THAT THEY HAD POURED. A CAR CAN'T GET BY THE STAIRS.

SO THAT MEANS THAT A DRIVEWAY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO PARK TWO CARS HAS ONLY GOT ONE. THEY DRIVE AROUND THE GRASS TO GET THE OTHER, AND THERE IS A RULE, NO DRIVING ON THE GRASS, ALL RIGHT. BUT NOW THE PLANNING IS VERY POOR. VERY, VERY POOR.

NOW, THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS, IF THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE COUNTY RULES, DO YOU REALLY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW CITY RULES? CONSIDER THAT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT FOLLOWED COUNTY RULES. THEY TRIED TO PUT UP A NEW SHED, THEY POURED THE CEMENT FOR THE NEW SHED, DIDN'T GET A PERMIT FOR IT, THE COUNTY SHUT THEM DOWN. THEY INSTALLED THREE TRAILERS, TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD, FINALLY THE COUNTY SAID, HEY, MOVE THEM BACK.

WE TELL THEM AS THEY'RE DOING IT, GUYS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

JUST THROW A LINE OF SIGHT ON THE HOMES AND YOU'LL SEE HOW FAR BACK THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE.

IT IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT

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BECAUSE THEY HAVE BIG DOLLARS. YES, THEY'LL BRING DOLLARS TO THE CITY. I CAN SEE THAT TOO.

BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BRING YOU BIG PROBLEMS BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE, THEY'RE BIG BUCKS, THEY'RE OWNED BY A CORPORATION AND THEY'LL DO WHAT THEY WANT.

THAT'S MY THING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT.

THERE IS NO ONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE ANNEXATION ISSUE, I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP.

>> EXCUSE ME -- I'M SORRY.

>> MY NAME IS SUSAN DOOLIC. I WANTED TO HAND OUT THE PICTURES OF THE REPAIRS THEY DID ON THE ROADS.

THAT PROBABLY UPPED OUR PRICE WITH EVERYTHING.

AND THE WATER QUALITY, I BELIEVE, IS POOR.

I HAD IT TESTED AND THE WATER QUALITY IS BAD.

I HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER.

I MENTIONED IT. THERE IS NO PROGRESS DONE.

I PUT WATER IN MY DISH PAN. IT IS BROWN.

NOBODY MENTIONED THAT YET. SO THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT THEY AREN'T DOING.

I WOULDN'T WANT TO GIVE THEM ANY MORE TO TRY TO TAKE CARE OF, THEY CAN'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY -- WHAT THEY HAVE.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT THEY HAVE AND THE NICE COMMUNITY THAT THEY HAVE. NEED TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF IT AND THEY'RE NOT. AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU.

>> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK?

>> I'D LIKE TO SEE A --

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> HELLO THERE. MY NAME IS JANICE SCALES.

I'VE BEEN HERE AT TALL PINES FOR THREE YEARS. A LOT OF US AT THE PARK HAVE DOGS AND WE HAVE NOWHERE TO BRING THE DOGS EXCEPT FOR ON THE BACK WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT RV PARKS. IF THEY PUT THE RV PARK THERE, ALL OF US THAT HAVE DOGS, THEY SAY, OKAY, WALK THEM ON THE SIDEWALKS, WHERE ARE THEY? WE DON'T HAVE ANY. OKAY.

AND IN THE SUMMERTIME, WE ALL KNOW THE CEMENT GETS VERY, VERY HOT. SO, NOW WITH ALL THE RVS AND ALL THE TRAFFIC, WALKING OUR DOGS IN THE ROADS, BASICALLY. I KNOW, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MATTER TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT THE DOGS ARE OUR BABIES, YOU KNOW. WE'RE ALL OLDER NOW.

WE DON'T HAVE -- SOME OF US DON'T HAVE KIDS.

WE HAVE DOGS. SO, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS WHAT DO WE DO WITH OUR ANIMALS AFTER THAT? THERE IS NO SPACE FOR DOGS, YOU KNOW? THEY SAY, GO AROUND THE CORNER, YOU HAVE, LIKE, MAYBE A LITTLE PATCH OF GRASS THERE.

SO, THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN IS WOULD WE BE WALKING OUR DOGS WITH THE TRAILER PARKS AND LETTING THEM POOP ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. AND I DO HAVE WATER FRONT PROPERTY NOW. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY FIXED THE STREETS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. IS THAT EVERYONE? HOW ABOUT THIS, IF THERE IS ANYBODY ELSE THAT INTENDS TO COME UP AND SPEAK AFTER THIS GENTLEMAN, MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE FRONT NOW, JUST SO I KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS BRIAN NOLAN.

I AM A FIVE YEAR RESIDENT AT TALL PINES. I SCOPED THAT PLACE OUT FOR A WHILE BEFORE I BOUGHT AND I CAME UP WITH A SOUND DECISION THAT THIS WAS A NICE PLACE TO LIVE.

OKAY. I THOUGHT I WAS MOVING INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY WANT TO TURN IT INTO A RESORT.

TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR A FRONT GATE, THEY WANTED TO GATE US. THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LITTLE WHILE.

OKAY. THERE IS A COUPLE OF SURVEY FLAGS, BUT THAT'S OLD HISTORY. THAT'S OLD HISTORY BY NOW.

SECONDLY, WE HAVE A SIGN THAT IS OUT ON ST. LUCIE BOULEVARD, THAT IS BASICALLY TURNED INTO AN EYESORE, OKAY, WITH THE SUN DAMAGE AND JUST WEATHER IN GENERAL.

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IT DOESN'T REFLECT WHO WE ARE AS A NEIGHBORHOOD, OKAY.

AND LIKE SOMEONE ELSE MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD.

EVERYBODY KNOWS EACH OTHER, OKAY.

IF WE DON'T GO TO THE EVENTS IN THE CLUBHOUSE, WE MEET EACH OTHER AT THE POOL, OKAY, OR WE MEET EACH OTHER WALKING DOGS AROUND OUR GOLF CARTS, OUR WHOLE LIFESTYLE IS GOING TO CHANGE IF THIS HAPPENS, OKAY. AND IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I WAS LED TO BELIEVE WOULD HAPPEN IN THIS -- LIKE I SAID, I SCOPED IT OUT, I TALKED TO PEOPLE.

AND, YEAH, IT IS A LOT OF EMPTY PROMISES, AND A LOT OF FUTURE HEADACHES BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T STICK TO THEIR WORD, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW.

AND THAT'S IT. MOST EVERYBODY COVERED, ANYTHING ELSE I WANTED TO SAY, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE EIGHT UNITS IN THE CENTER, NOT A GOOD IDEA.

WE'RE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO WALK ON THAT, OKAY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE AFRAID SOMEBODY IS GOING TO FALL IN. BUT IT IS TRUE. WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO WALK ON THAT AND THEY WANT TO PUT EIGHT HOMES ON THAT? NOT GOOD. NOT GOOD.

BUT ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

OKAY. I LOVE FORT PIERCE. I'VE BEEN COMING HERE, MY PARENTS WERE SNOW BIRDS STARTING BACK IN 1999.

SO I'VE SEEN ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS OVER THE YEARS OVER ON THE JETTY, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN TOWN THAT'S GOING ON BETWEEN THE PEACOCK TS DISTRICT AND YOU'RE JUST NOT, LIKE, BLENDING, YOU'RE MIXING WITH WHO'S THERE, WORK WITH US, YOU KNOW, LIKE, GET THE DOLLAR SIGNS OUT OF YOUR HEAD AND THINK ABOUT WHO IS THERE, OKAY.

AND LIKE THEY SAID, THEY PULLED IN LIKE TEN INFERIOR TRAILERS, OKAY. PEOPLE CAN'T EVEN PARK ON THEIR DRIVEWAY BECAUSE, LIKE, I BELIEVE IT WAS MIKE SAID, NOW THERE IS PEOPLE UP PARKING ON THE STREETS.

OUR STREETS AREN'T WIDE ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE TO PARK ON.

SO, ANYWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT.

>> THANK YOU. OKAY.

I BELIEVE WE ARE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME.

I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD.

PLEASE REMEMBER TO BE QUIET DURING THIS PRESENTATION TIME. THE BOARD WILL CONSIDER ALL COMMENTS IN OUR DISCUSSION AFTERWARDS.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AGAIN.

IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE RESIDENTS, AND ALSO SOMETHING TO BEGIN THAT I WANTED TO START OUT WITH.

UNDER THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY FUTURE LAND USE, THE WAY THAT IT IS CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, IF THE PARCEL WERE TO REMAIN IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, THE FUTURE LAND USE ALLOWS NINE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THE ZONING IS SET AT FIVE CURRENTLY, BUT POTENTIALLY WITHIN ST. LUCIE COUNTY, THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD REZONE UP TO NINE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WOULD WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR 369 UNITS IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO THEY'RE TAKING WHAT IS NINE DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE BY REZONING AND ANNEXING INTO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, SO FOR THE RESIDENTS TALKING ABOUT AN INCREASE NUMBER, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT LOOKING AT ONLY THE DOLLAR SIGNS, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT MAXING OUT THIS SITE TO THE ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM THAT WE COULD BE. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THE OVERALL FINANCES OF A DEVELOPMENT AND THE DECISIONS THAT GO INTO AN ANNEXATION. SO, AND JUST TO REITERATE SOMEONE SAID WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES IN THE COUNTY. WE MADE A CALL TO THE ST.

LUCIE COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENT, THERE ARE NO CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY.

THAT WAS AS OF THREEISH WEEKS AGO. AND AS FAR AS THE RVS NOT BEING ABLE TO FIT GOING DOWN BRYANT, NOT BEING ABLE TO FIT IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT RVS ARE BEING STORED IN OPEN STORAGE PACE BY THE RESIDENTS ON SIDE, THIS WOULD BE TAKING RV STORAGE AND TURNING IT INTO AN LONG-TERM RV PARK.

THESE ARE NOT PEOPLE THAT CROPPING CROP ARE COMING IN ON THE WAY TO KEY WEST TO PARTY.

IT IS NOT A CONSTANT STREAM OFLOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO STAY AN AVERAGE OF THREE MONTHS, HOPEFULLY 6 TO 12 MONTHS. WE HAVE STREETLIGHTS, IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE POOL BATHROOMS, SO THE DEVELOPER IS NOT, AGAIN NOT LOOKING AT DOLLAR SIGNS, THEY'RE LOOKING AT WAYS THAT THEY CAN IMPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT, IT CAN'T BE ALL DONE OVERNIGHT, BUT THEY ARE MAKING CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT AFTER LISTENING TO FEEDBACK THROUGH THE HOA MEETINGS TO ENSURE THEY'RE MEETING THE NEEDS OF OF RESIDENTS ON SITE. SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT THEY'RE PUTTING UP RV -- SORRY, HOMES

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WITHOUT CARPORTS AND SHEDS WHICH IS AGAINST THE LAW.

CARPORTS AND SHEDS ARE NOT REQUIRED BY LAW.

SO, THEY'RE NOT BREAKING THE LAW IN THAT REGARD.

AS FAR AS THE EIGHT UNITS IN THE MIDDLE, ALL OF THOSE UNITS WILL HAVE TO MEET -- WILL HAVE TO BE FULLY PERMITTED AND MEET CODE, SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNDERGROUND, THAT IS ROTTING OR IF THE LAND IS UNEVEN AS WE SPEAK, THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED DURING THE PERMITTING PHASE OF EACH OF THESE UNITS. I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING THAT I TOOK NOTES ON THAT I WANTED TO ADDRESS. WERE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD THAT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER?

>> I DO.

>> YES.

>> REVIEWING EVERYTHING YOU SAID, EITHER BEFORE OR NOW, WHAT ARE THE CURRENT NUMBER OF UNITS?

>> YES. I BELIEVE IT IS 240 CURRENT UNITS. LET ME JUST GO TO MY PAGE HERE, SORRY. I APOLOGIZE, THE CURRENT -- THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS 214 UNITS WITH 40 UNOCCUPIED HOME LOTS.

>> THAT'S 40 OPEN LOTS.

>> CORRECT. AND THAT'S AN APPROXIMATION.

>> CURRENTLY IF IT WAS FORMALLY DEVELOPED, 214 PLUS 40?

>> 254, YES.

>> THE DEVELOPER, HAS THIS BEEN THE SAME DEVELOPER FOR YEARS AND YEARS?

>> NO, IT WAS RECENTLY ACQUIRED, I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN A COUPLE OF

YEARS. >> HOW MANY?

>> I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN TWO. FOUR? APOLOGIZE, FOUR.

>> THE -- I MISSED THE DOLLAR NUMBER ON THE IMPROVEMENTS.

>> YES. IT IS 64,000 IN IMPROVEMENTS THIS YEAR.

>> HOW MUCH?

>> 64,000.

>> ALREADY DONE?

>> NO, THAT'S WHAT IS BUDGETED FOR THE FULL YEAR.

>> THE HOA, I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THIS STRUCTURE, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DEVELOPER STILL IS THE DEVELOPER, STILL CONTROLS OR RUNS THIS THING. IT HAS NOT BEEN TURNED OVER TO THE OWNERS.

>> -- IT IS NOT A CONDOMINIUM, SIR.

IT NEVER WILL BE TURNED OVER.

>> HANG ON A SECOND. SIR, WE CAN'T HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE BECAUSE THE MICS WON'T PICK THEM UP AND WE WON'T HAVE IT ON THE RECORD.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE EXPLAIN THE STRUCTURE OF THE

HOA. >> OF COURSE.

SO THE LAND IS OWNED BY INSPIRE. AND THEN THERE IS AN HOA ON TOP OF THAT. SO IT IS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE LANDOWNER.

>> AND THE MENTION OF -- STANLEY HAD THE MENTION OF TWO PARCELS VERSUS THREE PARCELS.

RIGHT AT THE TOP --

>> YES, I APOLOGIZE. SO WE'RE ONLY LOOKING TO ANNEX IN THE TWO PARCELS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF NOW.

WE DON'T OWN THAT THIRD PARCEL. SO, THAT MIGHT BE A PROPERTY APPRAISER ERROR. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE OWN.

I BELIEVE IT IS A DUPLEX LOT, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE FORT PIERCE GIS TO SEE WHY. PROPERTY APPRAISER AND GIS UNFORTUNATELY IS NOT 100% ACCURATE.

>> OKAY. THANKS.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T SIGN IN WHEN I FIRST WAS UP HERE. IT IS FULL, SO --

>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR ALICIA TO GET THAT GOING, THAT THANK NK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU.

>> BOARD, THIS IS OUR TIME TO DISCUSS AMONGST OURSELVES IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC HOW WE FEEL ABOUT ALL THIS.

I WOULD JUST OFF THE TOP STATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE TOO FAR REMOVED FROM WHERE WE WERE IN DECEMBER WHEN WE HEARD THIS APPLICATION COME BEFORE US BEFORE. A PRETTY UNANIMOUS STATEMENT OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE ASKING US NOT TO RECOMMEND ANNEXATION AT THAT TIME. FOR THE NEWER MEMBERS, THAT ISSUE WAS TABLED, ESSENTIALLY, BECAUSE IT WAS -- WELL, WE WERE TOLD THE INTENTION WAS THERE WOULD BE FURTHER RECONCILIATION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE RESIDENTS TO TRY AND RESOLVE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WERE HEARING COMPLAINTS OF. IN DECEMBER.

I HAVE MY NOTES FROM THAT MEETING.

AND I'M HEARING A LOT OF THE SAME COMPLAINTS.

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IT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE HOA AT LEAST THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT ARE HERE TODAY FROM THE COMMUNITY FEEL THAT MOST OF THOSE HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, IF AT ALL. AND JUST GOING BACK TO THE LARGER POINT ABOUT ANNEXATION, ONE THING THAT REALLY STOOD OUT FOR ME LAST TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS APPLICATION WAS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ASKED US DURING THEIR PUBLIC COMMENT WHY WE ANNEXED PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER -- I DIDN'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR HIM.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR ROLE IS, AS A BOARD, AND RECOMMENDING THESE ANNEXATIONS, YOU KNOW, NOT TO SOUND CALLOUS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY TO REALLY DO ANYTHING FOR THEM. WE REPRESENT THE CITY.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION FOR THE CITY.

AND IRREGARDLESS OF THE UNRECONCILED ISSUES WE HEARD TODAY, I FEEL THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE POTENTIALLY GAINED FOR THE CITY TO EMBARK ON AN ANNEXATION OF THIS PROPERTY.

THAT'S HOW I FEEL.

>> MR. CHAIR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION TO STAFF?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> IS THERE PROJECTIONS ON TAX REVENUES FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE IF THIS IS ANNEXED?

>> WE JUST HAVE THE TAXABLE VALUE, LET ME SEE.

>> JUST TRYING TO WEIGH THAT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY ESTIMATED COST OF MAINTAINING ROADS, OF IMPROVING IT, DO IMPROVEMENTS NEED TO BE DONE?

>> IF YOU'LL RECALL, ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THE COUNTY MADE IS THAT THEY WOULD ADVISE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE ROADWAYS, MAINTAINED AT THE MOMENT BY THE COUNTY.

SO, YOU WOULD EXTRAPOLATE FROM THAT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THESE STREETS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF THE LOADS THAT WILL BE PLACED ON THEM. IT IS ALSO PART OF THIS LARGER SCALE DISCUSSION THAT I'M HAVING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND ULTIMATELY WITH CITY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT ARE WE DOING IN TERMS OF ANNEXATION? THIS IS WITHIN THE FPUA SERVICE AREA. AND SO THE DISCUSSION IS DO WE ANNEX TO THAT AREA? IS THERE A POLICY THAT SETS THAT OUT? IS THERE A POLICY THAT SETS OUT CERTAIN CRITERIA FOR PROPERTIES TO BE ANNEXED, AND THE BURDEN ON POLICE, SOLID WASTE, OTHER CITY SERVICES NEEDS TO BE MORE FULLY TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

AND I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE RECEIVED ANY PROJECTIONS ON FUTURE REVENUES. THAT IS USUALLY PROVIDED BY APPLICANTS TO AID THE APPLICATION.

>> SO IF THIS ANNEX WAS APPROVED AND THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WOULD THE CITY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ROAD, FINANCIALLY?

>> AT THIS POINT, NO, BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THE COUNTY COMMENTS THAT IF THE CITY MOVED AHEAD WITH ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, WIDESPREAD, THAT THERE WOULD BE A LIST OF ROADWAYS THAT WOULD BE HANDED OVER TO THE CITY AND I WOULD SAY AT THE MOMENT THE CITY ARE NOT EQUIPPED TO TAKE THAT LOAD OF STREETS ON.

>> YEAH. THANK YOU.

>> MR. COLLINS BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.

I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT WE COULD COMPEL APPLICANTS TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF ANALYTICAL DATA FINANCIALLY AS -- WE SEE THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT IT IS KIND OF -- THERE ARE SEVERAL STEPS IN THAT PROCESS TO GO FROM THAT TO UNDERSTANDING THE VALUE OF THE ACTUAL TAX REVENUE TO THE CITY IN ANY GIVEN

YEAR. >> CAN BE DONE.

I'VE SEEN IT DONE ELSEWHERE. AND IT CAN BE REQUESTED OF APPLICANTS TO DO THAT. TO DO A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF HOW AN ANNEXATION WOULD WORK WITH THE CITY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT AT THE

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MOMENT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DONE MORE. AND THEN -- BUT ALSO LIKE TO SEE SOME COST DEVELOPED BY THE CITY OF WHAT IT TAKES TO SERVICE THE -- WE'RE GETTING AT THE MOMENT SORT OF A PRELIMINARY ESTIMATE BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO WHAT THAT MEANS ON THEIR MANPOWER. AND WE SEE THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SAYING WITH THIS BEING ANNEXED, IT COULD CREATE DEMAND FOR THREE OFFICES BASED ON POPULATION TO OFFICER RATIOS.

AND THAT WOULD DEPEND AGAIN ON DOES THAT FALL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IS THERE ARRANGEMENT WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, I DON'T KNOW THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE POLICE -- FORT PIERCE POLICE HANDLE THAT ADDITIONAL DEMAND.

>> AND SINCE THIS IS A SITE THAT IS ALREADY SUBSTANTIALLY DEVELOPED, THE IMPOSITION OF IMPACT FEES WOULD BE VERY MINIMAL WITH THE SITE PLAN AS

>> I'M JUST THINKING OF IT FROM THAT POINT OF INVESTMENT POINT OF VIEW, IF YOU PURCHASE SOMETHING, HOW MUCH ARE YOU PAYING FOR IT? HOW MUCH ARE YOU GOING TO GET FROM REVENUE FROM IT. JUST SEEMS THIS ISN'T GOING TO EQUAL OUT TO A GOOD DEAL FOR THE CITY.

>> WE DON'T KNOW, I GUESS, IS THE QUESTION.

>> YEAH, EXACTLY.

>> A GAMBLE, YEAH.

>> CONSIDERING THE POLICE, THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND TRASH AND RECYCLING, IT IS LIKE WE'RE IN THE SAME PLACE AS WE WERE LAST TIME. AND WE HAVEN'T, LIKE, MOVED FORWARD. INSPIRE HAS THE INFORMATION AT HAND, NOR HAS THIS PROPERTY MANAGER HAD MEETINGS WITH THE RESIDENTS EITHER. THOSE ARE TWO CONCERNING THINGS, THAT DON'T GIVE ME COMFORT OR DOESN'T MAKE RATIONAL SENSE WITH ALL THE OUTSTANDING ITEMS TO GIVE A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION IN MY OPINION.

>> MISS CLEMONS? >> I WASN'T HERE FOR THE DECEMBER MEETING, SO THE FEELINGS WERE A LITTLE DIFFERENT FOR ME.

BUT JUST LISTENING TO EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID, I'M STILL ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WEIGHS AS MY -- MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

IT IS NOT BALANCE IN THE SHEETS. WE'RE TAKING ON A LOT MORE BURDEN AS FAR AS THE CITY IS CONCERNED, AND AS FAR AS COST IS CONCERNED, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT BACK IN RETURN WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST THE TAXES. THERE MAY BE OTHER BENEFITS, BUT I'M NOT SEEING IT. THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY ONLY UTILIZES FPUA SEWER AND WATER, NOT UTILIZING THE GARBAGE OR ELECTRICITY, SO LIMITED IN THAT ASPECT AS WELL, AS WELL AS WE ALSO DON'T HAVE A SAY IN THOSE ASPECTS AS WELL, YOU KNOW. THEY BROUGHT UP THE COMMENT ABOUT THE GARBAGE CANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

ALL WE HAVE IS THE STATUTE AND THE ORDINANCE AS TO WHAT WE CAN REGULATE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

SO WE CAN'T EVEN HELP THE RESIDENTS THAT'S THERE.

WE CAN'T EVEN HELP YOU IN THAT ASPECT.

SO I'M LEANING TOWARDS NOT FEELING VERY COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT'S BEEN PRESENTED AS FAR AS TAKING ON THE BURDEN FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

>> EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU ALL SPEAK A LITTLE LOUDER.

IT IS DIFFICULT TO HEAR.

>> SORRY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. HOW ABOUT THIS SIDE OF THE DAIS? MR. EDWARDS? ANY COMMENTS?

>> LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS STATED, BESIDES MISS S MISS CLEMONS, THE ONES THAT WERE HERE IN DECEMBER, WHEN WE HEARD THIS THE FIRST TIME, SEEMS LIKE THE SAME THING.

KIND OF THE SAME SPOT WE WERE BEFORE.

WE TRY TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO GO BACK AND CORRECT SOME OF THESE ISSUES, BUT HOA AND THE DEVELOPER DON'T SEEM TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE, FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO, I'M KIND OF IN THE SAME OT AS BEFORE.

>> MR. JOHNSON? >> THE SAME.

>> YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK ABOUT YOU OPENING UP A LITTLE BIT.

YOU'RE NEW --

>> DIDN'T WANT REPETITION.

>> MR. WIDING.

>> I AM EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE. AND IT GETS BACK TO -- I THINK WE -- THIS ROOM HAS -- IT MAY HAVE ONLY BEEN JUNE OF THIS

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YEAR, BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS ROOM IS FULL AND I COUNTED 15 SPEAKERS AND WE HAD A REPRESENTATIVE BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OWNER STEP FORWARD.

FOUR YEARS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS. AND I WANTED TO HEAR IT WAS A REALLY, REALLY NEW DEVELOPER AND I'M NOT HEARING THAT, BUT BETWEEN THE -- IS THERE ANY BENEFIT TO THE CITY, TWO PARCELS VERSUS THREE PARCELS, WE'RE NOT SURE OF THAT. THE WHOLE THING, I'M REALLY, REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE.

>> THANK YOU.

>> ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> I RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL.

>> I'LL SECOND.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DISAPPROVAL BY MISS CARTER, SECOND BY MR. COLLINS.

>> YES. AND ALICIA, PLEASE, I SAID MISS CARTER, IT WAS MISS CLEMONS, I BELIEVE.

THAT MADE THE MOTION.

>> YES. THANKS.

[b. PD2024-00005 Master Plan Development - Tall Pines Parcel ID(s): 1433-210-0003-000-9 and 1433-310-0002-000-9]

>> ALL RIGHT. SO, SINCE WE HAVE RECOMMENDED DISAPPROVAL FOR ITEM 7A, I BELIEVE THAT MAKES 7B A MOOT

POINT. >> THAT IS CORRECT, YES.

>> THAT CONCLUDES OUR PORTION OF THE MEETING DISCUSSING TALL PINES. YOU'RE ALL WELCOME TO STAY, IT IS A VERY EXCITING PROCESS.

BUT I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME

TODAY. >> THANK YOU.

>> AND WE WILL HOLD FOR A MOMENT AND KIND OF LET THE TRAFFIC CLEAR OUT HERE BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

>> IT GOES TO THE COMMISSION FOLLOWING THIS.

YEAH.

>> A PUBLIC MEETING. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC MEETING.

THEY ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW OUR RECOMMENDATION.

SO, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU HAVE SOME REPRESENTATION.

IF YOU SPEAK WITH ALICIA, SHE MAY BE ABLE TO TELL YOU WHAT THE AGENDA IS.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE DATE AT THIS TIME, IF YOU WANT TO CHECK WITH THE CITY WEBSITE UNDER AGENDA MINUTES FOR CITY COMMISSION IT WOULD BE THE SOONEST IT WOULD BE WOULD BE JULY, PROBABLY SECOND MEETING IN JULY, YES.

OR MAYBE AUGUST.

>> WOULD HAVE TO BE THE ACTUAL CITY COMMISSION.

>> WE'LL JUST WAIT A FEW MOMENTS FOR MISS CLEMONS TO RETURN. BEFORE WE CONTINUE.

>> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE READY --

[c. PD2024-00009 Final Planned Development- Symphony Lakes Planned Development 4300 Selvitz Road Parcel ID(s): 2432-211-0006-000-3, 2432-211-0005-000-6, 2432-343-0001-000-4 ]

>> WHAT WAS THAT? OKAY.

>> WE ARE READY TO MOVE ON. WE HAVE ITEM 7C, SYMPHONY LAKES PD.

>> READY.

>> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I'M NOT A VENTRILOQUIST, SO --

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SO TODAY THIS ITEM IS LOOKING AT A FINAL SITE PLAN IN RESPECT TO THE SYMPHONY LAKES PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THOSE WHO WERE HERE MAY RECALL THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION ON THIS PROPERTY AS A WHOLE IS A MASTER SITE PLAN. IT CAME IN AT A TIME WHEN THE CITY WAS TRANSITIONING TO THE MASTER PD, BUT THE PREVIOUS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WAS DONE AS A CONCEPTUAL UNDER THE OLD CODE.

SO, THIS APPLICATION IS PROPOSING A FINAL PD SITE PLAN. IT IS AT 4300 SELVITZ ROAD, THE APPLICANT IS COTLEUR & HEARING.

AND BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, THERE ARE THREE PARCEL I.D. S INVOLVED, 2432-211-0006- 0003, 2432-211-0005- 0006, AND 2432-343-0001-0004. SO, THE MASTER PD SITE PLAN PROPOSED A NUMBER OF PARTS. THOSE WERE REVISED THROUGH CITY COMMISSION AND A MASTER SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED.

OF THAT, PART ONE CONSISTS OF ABOUT 88 ACRES AND IN THIS RENDITION, IT IS PROPOSING 206 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, 3. 2 DWELLING UNIT PER ACRE DENSITY. THE MASTER PLAN AS A WHOLE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF 20% OPEN SPACE. IN PART ONE, THIS FINAL PD PLAN OF PART ONE GIVES US 43% AS OPEN SPACE.

NOW, HERE IS THE MASTER SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN JUNE 3RD, 2024. YOU CAN SEE A NUMBER OF PARTS.

THE LARGEST RESIDENTIAL PART INCLUDING ACCESS TO SELVITZ WAS APPROVED AS ONE OF THOSE PHASES.

THE REMAINING PHASES ARE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND SOME LIGHT INDUSTRIAL TYPE USES AND SELF-STORAGE.