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[1. Call to Order]

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>>> I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. THIS IS MONDAY OCTOBER 14TH.

THIS IS OUR CONFERENCE AGENDA. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

>> PRESENT. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> PRESENT.

>> MR. JOHNSON. >> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER PERRONENA.

>> YES, MA'AM. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. OKAY, FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA

[a. An Ordinance Amendment to Section 13 of the City of Fort Pierce Retirement and Benfefit System codes pertaining to "In Line of Duty" Disability and Permanent and Total Disability. ]

IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO SECTION 13 OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE RETIREMENT AND BENEFIT SYSTEM CODES PERTAINING TO IN THE LINE OF DUTY DISABILITY AND PERMANENT AND TOTAL DISABILITY.

>> GOOD MORNING MR. MIMS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS. >> MADAM MAYOR AND CITY OF COMMISSION THIS MORNING WE HAVE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE JOHN MORRIS WHO IS REPRESENTING THE RETIREMENT BOARD TODAY WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THE REVISION TO

OUR DISABILITY RETIREMENT SYSTEM. >> GOOD MORNING MS. MORRIS.

>> GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS. >> GOOD MORNING.

>> AS MR. MIMS HAS SAID, I MADE THIS BRIEF POWER POINT. IN 2015, AND IT DATES BACK TO 2015, PRIOR TO MRS. JOHNSON'S RETIREMENT SHE DILIGENTLY WORKED WITH THE RETIREMENT BOARD'S ATTORNEY TO CLEAR UP AND CLEAN UP OUR PROVISIONS AS IT RELATES TO IN LINE OF DUTY DISABILITY.

IT WAS DISCUSSED THAT RETIREMENT BOARD AND ALL OF THE TRUSTEES WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEEDED TO MAKE SOME PROVISIONS OR REVISIONS TO OUR CODE AS IT RELATES TO IN LINE OF DUTY DISABILITY. WE HAVE IN THE PAST ATTEMPTED TO TAKE THIS BEFORE THE -- OUR UNIONS TO HAVE THEM IN AGREEMENT PRIOR TO US BRINGING IT BEFORE COMMISSION.

SO THAT IT WOULD ALREADY BE AGREED UPON WITH THE UNIONS. WE HAVE NOT HAD MUCH SUCCESS WITH TWO OF OUR UNIONS. SO WE ARE GETTING READY TO BEGIN UNION NEGOTIATIONS AGAIN.

MR. MIMS WANTED IT TO BE BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION SO YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT PROVISIONS WE ARE ASKING OR ATTEMPTING TO MAKE TO BETTER SAFEGUARD OUR SYSTEM. THE FIRST IS PROVIDING FOR A DEFINITION OF IN LINE OF DUTY AS IT RELATES TO DISABILITY. THE CODE RIGHT NOW DOES NOT PROVIDE THAT DEFINITION. SO IT WOULD PROVIDE A DEFINITION OF WHAT IT REALLY MEANS FOR IN IN LINE OF DUTY DISABILITY THAT'S ANY ILLNESS OR DISABILITY THAT IS ARISING OUT OF THE ACTUAL PERFORMANCE OF DUTIES THAT IS REQUIRED, A PORTION OF THE MEMBER'S EMPLOYMENT.

SO THAT PROVISION OR THAT DEFINITION IS NOW GOING TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT CHAPTER.

>> EXCUSE, ME, MA'AM. >> HE YES, SIR. >> CAN YOU -- YOU STATED THAT IN THE LINE OF DUTY, CAN ANY INDIVIDUAL -- YOU SAID IT HAD TO BE DIRECTLY IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

BUT CAN THAT INDIVIDUAL ACQUIRE INJURY DURING THE TIME HE OR SHE IS A POLICE OFFICER?

>> IF IT IS DURING THE LINE DISH IF HE IS PERFORMING DUTIES AS AN OFFICER, YES.

>> I THOUGHT OFFICERS ARE ALWAYS ON DUTY? >> UM --

>> DURING A MEMBER'S -- REQUIRED MEMBER'S EMPLOYMENT. AS IT REQUIRES TO THE MEMBER'S EMPLOYMENT. SO WE'RE JUST SAYING THAT IF YOU ARE ON DUTY OR EMPLOYED FOR US AS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE, AS AN EMPLOYEE OF OURS, IF A DUTY IS SUSTAINED DURING THAT TIME,

IT IS CONSIDERED IN LINE OF DUTY. >> I WANT TO ASK ONE OTHER QUE QUESTION, AS FAR AS THE INSURANCE PART OF IT.

IS IT A CERTAIN TIME DURING YOU GET ON DUTY OR CERTAIN TIME AFTER YOU CAN LEAVE DUTY?

>> I CANNOT -- I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE ANSWERS TO THE ON AND OFF AND THAT.

I THINK THAT'S MORE OF A LEGAL T TECHNICALITY ONCE WE GET IN -- YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENS, LEGAL WOULD HAVE TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE.

>> THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO KNOW. BECAUSE SOME INDIVIDUALS MAY BE FEELING THAT THEY STILL ON DUTY.

WHAT IS THE LAW? THE LAW STIMULATES THAT IF YOU ARE WORKING AND YOU LEAVE WORK, AND YOU HEADED HOME AND SOMETHING HAPPENED TO YOU, THAT'S CONSIDERED PEOPLE -- I'M

LOOKING -- I'M LOOKING. >> MAYOR, IF I MAY, WORKERS' COMPENSATION IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. IT IS A VERY SPECIALIZED AREA OF THE LAW.

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AND EVERY SINGLE INJURY IS DIFFERENT. YOU ARE RIGHT, COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER, THERE ARE EXAMPLES WHERE POLICE OFFICERS WHAT THEY CALL SPRING INTO ACTION, BUT THEY'RE NOT ON CALL 24 HOURS A DAY. SO IT IS VERY SPECIFIC.

AND I THINK TO WHAT MS. MORRIS IS REFERRING TO, THIS IS CREATING A FRAMEWORK AND THEN DEPENDING ON IF THE INJURY HAPPENS, YOU WOULD EVALUATE IT AGAINST THE FRAMEWORK?

>> I JUST WAS TRYING TO HAVE NOT ANY LOOP HOLES IN THERE, YOU KNOW.

SOMEBODY COME UP WITH SAY WHAT I JUST GOT OFF OF DUTY AND TURNED THE CORNER AND HAVE AN ACCIDENT AND THEY -- THEY'RE INJURED FOR LIFE. YOU KNOW.

IS THAT PERSON STILL ON DUTY? >> AND, AGAIN, MAYOR, IF I MAY, TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRUST THAT GOES INTO WORKERS' COMPENSATION. IF SOMEBODY IS IN THE POLICE ISSUED VEHICLE AND THEY'RE IN AN ACCIDENT, IT IS GOING TO BE FACT SPECIFIC, IF THEY WERE ON DUTY OR NOT ON DUTY OR RESPONDING TO A CALL, EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT ON DUTY.

BUT THE REALITY IS, IF SOMEBODY DOES COMMIT A FRAUD, HE WOULD GO TO JAIL.

WORKERS' COMPENSATION IS VERY SERIOUS. >> I UNDERSTAND.

I'M JUST TRYING TO COVER THE OFFICES. >> YES, SIR.

>> YOU KNOW. OKAY. I'M SET.

>> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES. >> I HAD A QUESTION, THE LAST SENTENCE DISABILITY ARISING FROM DRUG OR ALCOHOL ABUSE. MR. SWEENEY HAS THE COURT EVER DEFINED ABUSE? IT SEEMS LIKE THE WORD USE IS THERE FOR TOBACCO.

IT IS THERE FOR TOBACCO. BUT IT DOESN'T SAY USE OF DRUGS AND ALCOHOL.

>> YES, SIR. >> IS ABUSE DIFFERENT THAN USE? >> WELL, YES, FUNDAMENTALLY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE WHY YOU WOULD USE THAT TERM. BUT SEPARATELY I THINK IT ALL COMES FROM DISABILITY AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT SENTENCE. AND THERE MAY BE SOME AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT, ADA, ISSUES THAT COME UP WITH THAT. BECAUSE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS ARE NOW BEING MORE READILY RECOGNIZED AS POTENTIALLY A SOUTH DISA DISABILITY. SUBSTANCE ABUSE OF ANY TYPE

QUITE FRANKLY. >> UNDERSTOOD. OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> PROCEED. FR>> WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING A DEFINITION FOR ADMINISTRATOR. THE ADMINISTRATOR OF OUR PLAN MEANS THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE OR SUCH DIRECTORS DESIGNEE. THE DIRECTORS -- AS THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE FOR THE CITY I DO SERVE AS SECRETARY TREASURER AND ADMINISTRATOR OF THE PLAN.

SO I WOULD -- IT IS JUST A DEFINITION THAT CLEARLY DEFINES WHO THE ADMINISTRATOR IS.

>> THAT'S IN THE CHARTER. >> RIGHT. >> AND ALL OF THIS, I WILL NOTE THAT ALL OF THESE CHANGES WERE PUT IN SO THAT OUR PLAN MIMICS WHAT IS IN THE FLORIDA ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO FLORIDA'S COMP. AND DISABILITY. THIS IS NOTHING THAT WE CREATED AS A BOARD. IT IS JUST WHAT OUR -- MAKE SURE OUR PLAN MIMIC AS IT RELATES TO PERMANENT AND TOTAL DISABILITY WHAT IS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

>>> THE NEXT SECTION 13-36 6A. IT CLEARLY DEFINES OR LAYS OUT AS IT RELATES TO TOTAL DISABILITY. IT INCLUDES THAT SUCH INCAPACITY HAS TO BE SUFFICIENT TO RENDER THE EMPLOYEE INCAPABLE OF PERFORMING ANY GAINFUL, S SEDENTARY WORK ON A SUSTAINED BASIS FOR PAY WITHIN THE 50 MILE RADIUS OF THE MEMBER'S RESIDENCE.

AND THIS CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE ORDINANCE AS WELL. WE HAVE IN THE PAST HAD SOME ISS ISSUES. AND WE WANT TO TRY TO CLEAN IT UP. TO WHEREAS TOTAL AND PERMANENT DISABILITY MAY PRECLUDE A PERSON FROM DOING ONE PARTICULAR JOB, BUT NOT ANY OTHER JOB. AND OUR PLAN HAS NEVER ALLOWED FOR PARTIAL DISABILITY. BUT IT WAS NEVER CLEAR. AND THIS BRINGS SOME CLARITY TO THE PROCESS. AND THE PROCEDURE. SO THIS WAS TO BE INCLUDED AS

WELL. ANY QUESTIONS ON -- >> COMMISSIONER PERRONA.

>> IT IS IMPORTANT. JOHN AND I WERE AT A TRUSTEE SCHOOL LAST WEEK AND THEY SPOKE HEAVILY ABOUT THIS TYPE OF ISSUE. THE FACT IS THAT THERE WAS AN OVERRIDING INTENT OF YOUR PLAN. AND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT YOU CAN READ INTO WORDS AND ACTIVITIES THAT YOU CANNOT NECE NECESSARILY PROVIDE THE EXACT INTENT OF THAT PLAN THROUGHOUT. SO IT IS IMPORTANT. AND WE WERE -- IT WAS DRILLED INTO US FOR THREE DAYS TO GET BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR PLAN DOES -- THE WORDS DO RELATE TO

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EXACTLY WHAT WE -- WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. >> WHICH IS POSSIBLE.

>> AND THEY GAVE US SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF THIS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

SOME OF IT WAS A LITTLE DISTURBING BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT FUNCTION FOR EMPLOYEES AND OFFICERS THAT HAVE HAD SOME TYPE OF CATASTROPHE.

AND YET WE DON'T WANT IT TO ALSO BE A VULNERABILITY TO OUR PLAN THAT WE'RE JUST HANDING OUT THINGS THAT REALLY WASN'T INTENDED TO. SO WE'RE FINDING THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES COMING IN FRONT OF THE RETIREMENT BOARD THAT NEVER HAD THEM BEFORE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STARTING -- AND RIGHTLY SO, STARTING TO QUESTION THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.

SO THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE THE LAST TIME YOU SEE SOMETHING PROSECUTE THE RETIREMENT BOARD, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE DO THIS TO KEEP OUR SYSTEM AT THE

LEVEL THAT IT HAS ACHIEVED. SO -- >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION? >> THERE ARE A FEW OTHER CHANGES.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> THE SECOND -- THEN THE NEXT ONE IS 6B.

AND IT IS FOR THE FEASIBLE PLACEMENT OF -- WITHIN THE CITY THAT IT IS PROVIDED WHENEVER PRACTICAL. FEASIBLE PLACEMENT WITHIN THE CITY TO PERFORM -- OR ADDITIONAL -- OTHER DUTIES OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF THE ORIGINAL JOB THAT THE PERSON MAY HAVE BEEN DOING. SO IT IS JUST TO PROVIDE THAT LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE AS WE WELL. AND IF -- IT CLEARLY STATES THAT IF IN FACT THERE IS NOT A POSSIBLE OR FEASIBLE POSITION IT DOES NOT CONSTITUTE OR DETERMINE DISABILITY. SECTION 139-36 7I OR ONE. WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE TWO PHYSICIAN REQUIREMENT, ONE BY THE BOARD AND ONE BY THE ACTUAL EMPLOYEE REQUESTING THE RETIREMENT. BUT WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE THAT ADMINISTRATOR MAY FURTHER REQUIRE AT THE BOARD'S EXPENSE A FUNCTIONAL CAPACITY REQUIREMENT. FROM FUNCTIONAL REHABILITATION EVALUATION OR TESTING SPECIALIST. RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT IN THE REQUIREMENT OR A CODE IN THE REQUIREMENT. WE SEE A PERSON BEING SENT TO THE PHYSICIAN AND THEY'RE SAYING THE COST OF THE PERSON OR THAT EMPLOYEE'S INJURY, THAT THEY CAN'T PERFORM THAT FUNCTION. HOWEVER, THEY MAY NOT GO THROUGH A VOCATIONAL REHABILITATION OR A TESTING PERFORMANCE SO THAT WE CAN MAKE A BETTER DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT IS A TOTAL OR PERMANENT DISABILITY. SO IF IT IS A RETIREMENT, OR WE SEE THAT IT MAY BE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WE MAY NEED TO SEND FOR FURTHER TESTING, THIS NOW GIVES

>> UM, IT IS JUST A MINOR THING ON THE LINE ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS MEMBERS PHYSICALS LIMITATIONS,

DO YOU MEAN PHYSICALLIMINATION. IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? >> YES.

>> OKAY. 13-37 -- 36 72 SAYS THAT THERE MUST BE DOCUMENTATION OF THE MEDICAL CONDITION DURING THE TIME THAT THEY'RE EMPLOYED. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NOW THE DISABILITY REVIEW COMMITTEE DOES, WE DO GO BACK AND WE REVIEW PRIOR OR PRECLAIMANT MEDICAL INFORMATION TO MAKE SURE IT WAS NOT A PRECYSTING CONDITION OR THERE WAS AN UNDERLYING CONDITION THAT LED TO THAT. YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIMES A PERSON MAY COME IN WITH A MINOR BACKING OR INJURY OR SO AND IT IS ON THE PREEXISTING EMPLOYMENT PHYSICAL.

AND DURING THE COURSE OF WORK, THERE MAY BE AN INJURY THAT MAY MAKE IT WORSE BUT THAT WAS NOT THE INITIAL CAUSE OF IT. SO WE ARE GOING TO -- OR JUST INCLUDING THAT THERE MUST BE DOCUMENTATION THAT THIS -- THAT THE INJURY OCCURRED DURING THE TIME THAT THE MEMBER WAS AN

EMPLOYEE WITH THE CITY. >> DOES EVERY EMPLOYEE HAVE A MEDICAL EXAM?

>> THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. >> BEFORE THEY START WORK?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU. FR>> 17 -- 36-7 3 SAYS THAT, AGAIN, THERE MUST BE DOCUMENTATION THAT THE MEMBER WAS TOTALLY AND PERMANENTLY DISABLED AT THE TIME HE OR SHE TERMINATED EMPLOYMENT WITH THE CITY.

THAT IS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF THE DISABILITY RETIREMENT THAT THE EMPLOYEE HAS TO TERM

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TERMINATE EMPLOYMENT PRIOR TO THE DISABILITY STARTING. SO IT IS THAT -- WE'RE INCLUDING THAT INTO THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS CLEAR. 1 13-7B7 IS JUST LANGUAGE TAKEN DIRECTLY AGAIN FROM THE STATUTE AS IT RELATES TO WORKERS' COMPENSATION. AND WE'RE JUST SAYING IN OUR PLAN THAT A FINDING UNDER WORKERS' COMPENSATION DOES NOT SAY FOR OUR SYSTEM THAT A MEMBER IS TOTALLY OR PERMANENTLY DISABLED, IT IS NOT PROOF OR JUST THE PROOF. WE WILL STILL SEND AN EMPLOYEE TO OUR PHYSICIAN AS WELL AS A SECOND PHYSICIAN THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT WILL ALSO SAY THAT AS WELL. AND IT HAS TO BE THE MAJOR CONTRIBUTING CAUSE, AGAIN, OR 50% OF MORE OF THAT DISABILITY HAD TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE COURSE OF THE EMPLOYEE BEING EMPLOYED

AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. >> I ALSO NOTE -- READ THAT MINUTES ON THIS SLIDE THAT THE PRESENCE OF OBJTAINED CANNOT JUT BE THE ONLY REASON.

SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME KIND OF OTHER PROVABLE? >> CORRECT.

>> SITUATION? >> CORRECT. >> IN THE EVENT THAT ANY PORTION OF THE CONDITION GIVING RISE TO THE DISABILITY OF IT PREEXISTED, THE EMPLOYMENT THEN WILL PAY OR REDUCE THE PORTION OR AS IT RELATES TO THE DEGREE OR CONDITION THAT THE PREEXISTING EMPLOYMENT THAT CONDITION FOR PREEXISTING EMPLOYMENT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE 50% OF THE CALLS OR WE GET A MEDICAL REPORT THAT SAYS 50% OF THIS CONDITION WAS CAUSED -- OR 49% LET'S SAY -- WAS CAUSED BY WHATEVER THE DISABILITY IS, IF THAT PERSON IS TOTAL LY DISABLE, THEN WE'LL REDUCE THE DEGREE -- THE PAYMENT BASED ON THAT.

CONDITION. SO HOWEVER -- ONCE THE MEDICAL -- AND WE ALWAYS RELY ON THE MEDICAL DOCUMENTS OR THE ADVICE THAT THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS THAT HAVE PROVIDED TO US. SO IF A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL COMES BACK AND SAYS I'VE EVALUATED THIS EMPLOYEE. BASED ON MY EVALUATION, 51% OF HIS DISABILITY WAS A RESULT OF THE JOB, THE OTHER PERCENTAGE WAS, YOU KNOW, MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING PRIOR TO THAT.

WELL, WE WILL DO THE ANNUITY BASED ON THAT PERCENTAGE AS TO WHAT THE MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL PROVIDES FOR US. AND, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST CLARIFYING THAT AS WELL, THE PERCENTAGE AND HOW IT IS TO BE APPLIED AND ALSO WE MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.

AND THIS IS ALREADY IN OUR PROVISION WHERE WE MAKE THE ADJUSTMENT BASED ON SOCIAL SECURITY OR ANNUITY AMOUNT THAT AN INDIVIDUAL MAY RECEIVE FROM SOCIAL SECURITY, WE'RE JUST PUTTING IT INTO OUR CODE AND CLARIFYING IT SO THAT IT IS EASIER TO READ FOR THOSE THAT -- AND IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL ENTERTAIN THOSE.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. MORRIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. APPRECIATE THAT -- YES,

COMMISSIONER PERRONA? >> DO WE HAVE TO GET AN AGREEMENT WITH THIS PRIOR TO

THIS GOING TO THE COMMISSION? >> WELL, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO.

WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO WAS TAKING IT PRIOR TO THE COMMUNESâ–  TO GET THEIR AGREEMENTS SO THAT WHEN IT WAS ENFORCED IT WOULD BE IN PLACE FOR ALL EMPLOYEES. IF WE DO IT PRIOR TO, IT WOULD BE IN PLACE FOR ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES EXCEPT THOSE UNION EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE NOT, YOU KNOW, AGREED ON IT AS OF YET. TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UNIONS WERE IN AGREEMENT JUST AS WE DO WITH OUR 3% RAISES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE TRY TO GET A CONSENSUS AS TO THEIR AGREEMENT PRIOR TO, YOU

KNOW -- SO WE CAN, THOUGH. >> HAVE THEY IDENTIFIED THEIR OBJECTIONS?

>> MAIN WAS THE 50 MILE RADIUS. >> REALLY? >> YEAH.

AND THERE WERE SOME OTHER THINGS AS WELL. YOU KNOW -- AND IT IS JUST -- IT MIMICS THE FLORIDA STATUTE. IT IS NOTHING THAT WE'RE CREATING NEW.

IT IS JUST WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS IN CREATING A WORKERS' COMP. AND TOTAL AND PERMANENT DISABILITY,

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WE'RE JUST INCORPORATING THAT LANGUAGE INTO OUR PLAN TO SAY THE SAME.

>> THANK YOU. >> MR. MIMS? >> YES, MA'AM.

WE WANT TO EXPEDITE OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE UNIONS. AND WE DO NOT WANT THIS TO BE A HANG UP OR AN OBSTACLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR NEGOTIATIONS TO GET WHERE OUR EMPLOYERS NEED TO BE. SO WE WANTED TO ADVISE YOU AS TO WHAT THE RETIREMENT BOARD HAS RECOMMENDED. SO IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT OR CONSENSUS WITH THESE REVISIONS, THEN WE WOULD PROPOSE THEM TO THE UNIONS. HOWEVER, IF THE UNIONS DO NOT ACCEPT AND APPROVE OF THE REVISIONS, THEN THESE REVISIONS SHALL NOT MOVE FORWARD.

>> YOU MEAN IF THEY DON'T APPROVE THEM, THAT STOPS IT FROM GOING INTO EFFECT?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> FOR GENERAL EMPLOYEES? >> FOR NONBARGAINING, YES, WE CAN DO THAT. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A COMPLETE, YOU KNOW, INJUSTICE TO THE POPULATION OF THE EMPLOYMENT BASE. I THINK EVERY EMPLOYEE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME RETIREMENT SYSTEM REGULATIONS. MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> WOULDN'T THAT BE -- IN THAT NEGOTIATION, BE A MAJOR MINIMUM INTO COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT. AREN'T YOU ONLY ALLOWED TO BRING

UP SO MANY AMENDMENTS? >> I CAN'T ANSWER THAT BUT I'LL GET YOU AN ANSWER.

I KNOW THIS WAS A CLAUSE IN THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM THAT WE WANTED TO BRING TO THE UNIONS BUT I'LL

GET THE DEFINITION OF MAJOR AMENDMENT TO YOU. >> SO LET'S SAY THE UNIONS DON'T AGREE AND THEN IT DOESN'T APPLY TO ANY EMPLOYEES. SO ARE WE BACK TO SQUARE ONE

WHERE WE -- >> WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE. HOWEVER, HERE'S THE THING.

OUR PLAN CLEARLY SAYS TOTAL AND P PERMANENT DISABILITY.

IT CLEARLY SAYS THAT. THIS IS JUST SAYING OR GIVING US A MEANS AS TO HOW WE DETERMINE IT TO BE TOTAL AND PERMANENT DISABILITY. CURRENTLY --

>> WE STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO -- >> STILL HAVE THE ABILITY, YES.

IT JUST SAYS THAT -- >> WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT CLEARER.

>> CLEARER. >> OKAY. AND I THINK IT IS REALLY

IMPORTANT, YOUR POINT, THAT THIS IS WORKERS' COMP. RULES. >> YES.

>> AND SO I HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE RETIREMENT BOARD LONG ENOUGH OR I THINK I MISSED THIS MEETING WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED, SO IS THERE A WAY THAT THE ACTUARIES ARE ABLE TO GAUGE THE FUNDING

FOR THIS? >> WELL, IT ALL DEPENDS. IT IS NOT GOING TO BE -- IT IS A MOVING TARGET OR ANYTHING YOU CAN'T PINPOINT BECAUSE IT IS SPECIFIC TO INDIVIDUALS.

>> RIGHT. >> AND IT MAY BE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT MAY HAVE WORKED FIVE YEARS.

IT MAY BE SOMEONE WHO WORKED 20 YEARS. SO IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE AGE AND THE -- YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT AS IT RELATES TO THE ACTUAL MEMBER THAT IS RETIRING.

>> RIGHT. >> PLUS THE ACTUARYIAL THERE ARE PROBABILITIES, MAYOR.

THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE A GROUP SET AND THEY'RE GOING TO TELL YOU HOW MANY OF THESE --

>> LIKE THEY DO EVERYTHING ELSE, ASSUMING THIS AND ASSUMING THAT. >> HOW MANY OF THESE DISABILITIES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. SO REALLY THIS WOULD NOT HAVE

ANY AFFECT ON ACTUARIAL STUDY. >> MADAM MAYOR. >> YES.

>> WILL WE BE FIELDING A CHARTER AGREEMENT WITH THIS? THIS IS PART OF OUR CHARTER?

BECOMING PART OF OUR CHARTER REVISIONS? >> YEAH, IT IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. WE'LL BE AMENDING THE SECTION 13 OF THE ORDINANCE.

>> SAYING THAT'S OF SOMETHING OF IMPORTANCE FOR US TO HAVE IN PLACE BECAUSE ALLOWS US TO BE IN

COMPLIANCE, RIGHT? JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. >> I WOULD THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO -- FROM WHAT I GATHER, WE'RE TRYING TO SPELL IT OUT AND BE CLEAR SO THAT EMPLOYEES KNOW WHAT IS INVOLVED. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THIS BUT WE DON'T HAVE AS

MUCH INFORMATION IN THE RULES OF THE RETIREMENT BOARD. >> RIGHT.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? THIS -- IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO BE TRANSPARENT AND HELP EMPLOYEES UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY HAVE AS A RIGHT IN THIS CITY. SO IT SOUNDS GOOD. RIGHT?

ANYBODY ELSE? THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

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THE NEXT ITEM IS THE DISCUSSION ON THE DOWNTOWN TRAM OPERATIONS. >> MR. MIMS.

>> YES, MA'AM. I THOUGHT WE WOULD THROW IN SOMETHING A LITTLE EXCITING AND FUN, YES, BEFORE WE GET TO THE OTHER SERIOUS STUFF. BUT WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS MR. MIKE WHEELS WITH AN UPDATE ON THE TRAM OPERATIONS.

>> MR. WHEELS. >> GOOD MORNING MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

AS MR. MIMS STATED WE WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE TRAM.

IT HAS BEEN OPERATIONAL NOW FOR APPROXIMATELY NINE MONTHS. AND I WANTED TO SHARE SOME OF THE SUCCESSES AND FUTURE GOALS FOR THE OPERATION. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY

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THE TRAM DEBUTED BACK IN FEBRUARY. BEGINNING IN LATE JUNE, WE STARTED TO RUN THE TRAM ON FRIDAY EVENINGSES AS WELL. THE SCHEDULE IS 5:00 TO K K-9 -- 9:00 ON FRIDAYS. AND IF WE HAVE EVENTS GOING DOWNTOWN WE DO RUN IT LATER.

JUST FOR THE FIREFIGHTER CHALLENGE THAT WE JUST HAD WE RAN IT UNTIL 8:00 P.M. THAT EVENING. WE HAD TWO SEPARATE DRIVERS TO SWING SHIFTS.

WE'RE QUICKLY APPROACHING OUR PEAK SEASON. I'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE RIDERSHIP THAT WE'VE HAD. SO WHEN WE FIRST DEBUTED IN FEBRUARY, IT GOT GREAT RESPONSE. YOU CAN SEE THAT THROUGH MAY, WHICH IS OUR PEAK SEASON, RIDERSHIP WAS WAY UP. IT HAS DWINDLED SLIGHTLY THROUGH THE SUMMER.

YOU CAN SEE DEPENDING ON WHAT IS GOING ON ON A FRIDAY NIGHT AND WHAT THE WEATHER LOOKS LIKE, RIDERSHIP ON FRIDAY NIGHTS DOES TEND TO VARY A BIT. BUT SINCE ITS INCEPTION, WE HAD CLOSE TO 2500 RIDERS ON THAT TRAM. WE WOULDN'T SEE 2500 RIDERS IN ALMOST THREE YEARS ON THE TROLLEY. IT HAS PROVEN ITS SUCCESS AND IT IS ONLY GOING TO GROW FROM HERE. SO SOME OF OUR FUTURE GOALS IS TO HAVE SOME DESIGNATED STOPS WITH BENCHES AND SIGNS. WITH IT BEING ON DEMAND, WE DON'T WANT TOO MANY PERMANENT STOPS BECAUSE PART OF THE SUCCESS OF IT IS YOU KNOW YOU CAN HAIL THE TRAM FROM ANY SAFE STOPPING LOCATION AND IT WILL ALSO TAKE YOU TO -- MAYBE YOU'RE AT THE COUNTY PARKING GARAGE RATHER THAN THE PARKING GARAGE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF CITY HALL. IT DOES HAVE A LITTLE VARIABLE.

WE'RE LOOKING AT CREATING MAYBE FOUR PERMANENT STOPS THAT SOMEONE CAN SIT AT A BENCH AND WAIT FOR IT TO ARRIVE. FUTURE GOALS WE WOULD LOVE TO ADD A SECOND TRAM AND INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF OPERATION. CITY OF STEWARD RUNS THEIR TRAM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.

THEIR OPERATION STARTED SMALL AND HAS GROWN INTO WHAT IT IS TODAY.

ALSO WE MET WITH THE COUNTY NOT LONG AGO AND THE COUNTY ENLIGHTENS US TO GOOGLE MAPS.

SO THE TRAM OPERATION CAN BE A PART OF GOOGLE. AND JUST AS WE WERE SPEAKING, JUST SHORTLY AGO, THE NUMBER OF VISITORS TO DOWNTOWN ARE ONLY GOING TO INCREASE.

WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE GOING ON, WITH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TEAM POWER PLANT, THE CRABBIES, THIRSTY TURTLE, ALL OF THE NEW BUSINESSES COMING TO TOWN.

ALL OF THE INCREASED EVENTS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE. THE NEED FOR A SECOND TRAM IS GOING TO BE HERE SHORTLY. IT WASN'T LONG AGO THAT I WAS BEFORE THE PARKS ADVISORYIES COMMITTEE ADVISING THEM THAT WE WERE NOT READY FOR A TRAM. WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING HERE SHOWS THAT WE CERTAINLY WERE. AND WE'LL BE LOOKING TO GROW IN THE VERY VERY NEAR FUTURE.

>> WOULD THE SECOND TRAM BE THE SAME ROUTE OR A DIFFERENT ROUTE OR A VARIATION?

>> IT CAN BE A VARIATION. THE SECOND UNIT WOULD ALLOW FOR LONGER OPERATIONS.

THE SINGLE UNIT IS NOT GOING TO RUN A 12 HOUR DAY WITH, YOU KNOW, -- ESPECIALLY IF WE SEE RIDERSHIP. HEAVY EVENTS BOTH CAN RUN IN TANDEM.

IF WE HAVE A BUSY WEEKEND DOWNTOWN, BOTH CAN RUN OR WE CAN HAVE SEPARATE LOTIONS.

THE DAYS CAN VARY AS WELL. WE'D BE VERY FLEXIBLE WITH A SECOND UNIT.

WE'RE IN THE WORKS TO HAVE THE MOBILE APP. THE REQUISITION HAS BEEN CUT.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THEM BECOMING A CITY VENDOR AND THEY WILL START DEVELOPMENT OF OUR APP. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE TAKEN A TRIP TO THE CITY OF STEWART, THIS IS THE SAME APP USED BY THE CITY OF STEWART FOR THEIR RIDER. SOMEONE SITTING IN A RESTAURANT CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THE APP AND SEE WHEN THE TRAM WILL BE COMING AROUND AND KNOW IF THEY CAN PAY THEIR BILL OR HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE DRINK. IT IS VERY EXCITING.

WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THIS ON. ONCE WE DO, WE WILL WORK WITH CHEYENNE AND JOE AND DO A PSA TO LET EVERYONE KNOW IT IS AVAILABLE.

SOME OF OUR BENEFITS, IT PROMOTES TOURISM FOR THE ALL OF THE RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES.

EDUCATES VISITORS ON FORT PIERCE HISTORY WHILE RIDING. WE'RE STILL LOOKING TOO FILL ONE SLOT. ONCE WE HAVE ALL THREE, WE'VE GOT ONE -- WE'VE GOT ONE GENTLEMAN WHO HAS A CLASS A CDL CAN RUN THE TROLLEY AND THE TRAM.

ANOTHER GENTLEMAN IS DRIVING JUST THE TRAM. WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL ONE MORE PART TIME POSITION. ONCE WE HAVE THAT ALL THREE DRIVERS WITH LINCOLN PARK STREET AS WELL AS MAIN STREET FORT PIERCE TO GET HISTORY TIDBITS. SO WHEN SOMEONE TAKE AS RIDE ON OUR TRAM, THEY'RE GOING TO GET AN EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST A RIDE FROMB.

>> WONDERFUL. >> BRINGS A SMALL TOWN FEEL. SHUTTLES VISITORS QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY DOWNTOWN. IT BRINGS LOCALS AND OUT OF TOWN GUESTS TOGETHER.

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AND LASTLY, HERE'S JUST A BROCHURE OF THE CURRENT TROLLEY MAP AND ROUTE.

ADDITIONALLY, WE -- THE SUCCESS OF ALL OF THE TRAFFIC BOXES AND UTILITY BOXES WITH THE WRAPS, WE MET LAST WEEK WITH THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THOSE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUBMITTING SOME RENDERINGS TO US TO POTENTIALLY WRAP THE TRAM. AND WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH DEAN, DANNY AND SHARON TO GET SOME ADVERTISEMENT ON THE TOP OF THE TRAM FOR OUR SUNRISE THEATER

MARINA AND GOLF COURSE. >> GOOD. >> THAT IS AS BRIEF AS I CAN

MAKE IT. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> MR. PERRONA?

>> THANK YOU. AS FAR AS OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE IT IS ALL WELL

WITHIN WHAT YOU EXPECTED? >> SO FAR IT HAS BEEN WONDERFUL. WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY EXPENSE ON MAINTENANCE OTHER THAN UTILITY USAGE. SO IT IS -- WE GOT A PRETTY GOOD INDICATION OF WHEN WE'LL NEED BATTERIES. AND WORKING WITH THE CITY OF STEWART, THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING THESE FOR YEARS. YES, IT IS WELL WITHIN WHAT

WE'RE EXPECTING. >> MR. SESSIONS. >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PARTIC PARTICIPATING, ARE YOU EXPLORING ADDITIONAL TRAM OR ARE YOU EXPLORING A TROLLEY THAT CAN FACILITATE MORE PEOPLE AND MAYBE DO AWAY WITH THE TRAM? IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE, WOULDN'T IT? WHERE EXACTLY ARE YOU -- HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THE INCREASE?

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS WE ARE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY ORDERING A SECOND TRAM.

THE POPULARITY OF THE TRAM IS HOW CONVENIENT IT IS TO GET ON AND OFF.

>> SPOTS WEAVE IN AND OUT. >> YES, SIR, YES, SIR. DEPENDING ON AREAS, ADDING A -- MORE LIKE A VAN TYPE VEHICLE FOR SHUTTLING PASSENGERS WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY.

CURRENTLY THE TRAMS ARE NOT ABLE TO OPERATE ON STATE ROADS. WE CAN CROSS STATE ROADS BUT WE CANNOT TRAVEL DOWN STATE ROADS. IF WE WERE LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING ALONG SAY THE BEACH AREA, AND NOT USE THE TROLLEY, WE COULD LOOK AT PURCHASING SOMETHING LIKE A SPINNER VAN OR MAYBE WHAT THE COMMUNITY TRANSIT IS USING, A SMALLER VEHICLE THAN A TROLLEY, BUT SOMETHING

LARGEABLE -- LARGER AND ABLE TO TRAVEL DOWN A STATE ROAD. >> OKAY.

AND RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NO FEES ATTACHED. >> NO, SIR.

TOTALLY FREE. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK CLERK OF COURT AND CLERK OF COURT STAFF AND ALSO CIRCUIT 19 COURT ADMINISTRATION AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUROR SUMMONS, THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT COME INTO DOWNTOWN ON MONDAYS AND TUESDAYS AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET WITH THEM AND JUST SEE IF WE'RE ADDING THE SECOND TRAM, OR EVEN JUST UTILIZING THE EXISTING ONE ON MONDAY AND TUESDAYS, TO HELP SOME OF THAT LOAD, THEY'RE SEEING A -- KIND OF A -- THEY SAY IT IS AN INCREASE, SLIGHT INCREASE IN COURT AND JUROR SUMMONS RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT IS GOING TO SUSTAIN OR THE NUMBERS GO UP AND DOWN ALL OF THE TIME. IF WE CAN GET WITH THEM AND MAYBE UTILIZE AND ADVERTISE MORE OF THE CITY PARKING GARAGE AND THEN THE FOLKS COMING DOWNTOWN HAVE AN EASY ACCESS TO THE COURT SYSTEM, FOR AS AN EXAMPLE. SO IT WAS JUST AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION BECAUSE THE CLERK OF COURT JOE SMITH SUMMONSED HIS ASSISTANCE, AND KARA, THEY PUT OUT MAPS AND THEY PUT IN ALL OF THE CITY SERVICE LOTS AND THEY IDENTIFIED THE CITY PARKING GARAGE. SO IT MIGHT JUST BE A GOOD CONVERSATION AND MAYBE IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY. I KNOW WE TRIED IT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WITH THE TROLLEY, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THIS MIGHT BE THE MORE ATTRACTIVE QUICK HIT

OPTION TO GO FROM A TO B. SO -- >> APPRECIATE IT.

>> GOOD IDEA. ANYTHING ELSE? >> I DON'T THINK SO.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OF APPROVAL

[c. A discussion of the super-majority vote of approval on planning projects.]

AND PLANNING PROJECTS. >> MR. MIMS. >> MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION WE HAVE BEFORE US OUR DIRECTOR OF PLANNING MS. JENNIFER HOFFMEISTER.

SHE'S GOING TO GIVE US A BRIEF OVERVIEW AND A REPORT ON THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE THAT IS BY THE ACTIONS OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE PLANNING BOARD. JENN TAKE IT AWAY.

>> GOOD MORNING. MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

COMMISSIONER MIMS SAID THIS WAS BROUGHT TO STOT'S ATTENTION AT ONE OF OUR TWO MEETINGS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE AND HOW IT COMPARES TO OTHER COMMITTEES WITHIN THE VICINITY OF FORT PIERCE. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M JUST GOING TO START OFF WITH WITH KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE IS AND HOW IT CAME ABOUT.

THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A PROPOSAL TO GAIN A SPECIFIED LEVEL OF

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SUPPORT WHICH IS GREATER THAN THE THRESHOLD OF MORE THAN ONE HALF USED FOR THE MAJORITY.

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE REQUIRES THAT ANY ACTION OF A DELIBERATE ASSEMBLY THAT MAY ALTER THE RIGHTS OF A MINORITY HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT. AS INDICATED EARLIER, THE STAFF TOOK A LOOK AT A NUMBER OF CITIES AND COUNTIES WITHIN OUR AREA.

AND COMPARED THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE AS IT RELATES TO FOUR OUT OF FIVE ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS. AND THOSE THAT ARE TRIGGERED BY SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OF THE PUBLIC. THAT IS OPPOSITION TO A DEVELOPMENTAL PROPOSAL.

IN LOOKING AT THIS, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT IS PRETTY MUCH A 50/50 SPLIT ON THOSE THAT REQUIRE A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE. HOWEVER, THE ONES THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAJORITY VOTE BASED ON THE PUBLIC'S OPPOSITION, AND THAT BEING IN -- WHEN THAT GOES OUT FROM A PROJECT THAT GETS ADVERTISED AND THEY GET NOTICED, THE ONLY TWO THAT HAVE THAT IS THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND ST. LUCIE COUNTY. AND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IN TALKING WITH PLANNING STAFF THAT HAS THE HISTORY, WE LOOKED TO THE COUNTY TO SEE HOW THEY ADDRESSED IT.

AND THAT IS THE REASON, MY UNDERSTANDING, AS TO WHY WE FOLLOW THEM.

>> EXCEPT THAT WE HAVE A MUCH LOWER PERCENTAGE? >> CORRECT.

THE OTHERS ARE BASED ON THE MAJORITY ON MORE GLOBAL NATURE. AGAIN THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS SOMETHING THAT IS SITE SPECIFIC TO WHERE IT WOULD BE A SUPER MAJORITY IS AGAIN, ST. LUCIE COUNTY. BUT TYPICALLY MY WORK IN PLA PLANNING, TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE SUPER MAJORITY VOTES IT IS MORE OF SOMETHING THAT A DECISION THAT WOULD AFFECT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. SUPER MAJORITY VOTES WERE INSTILLED BACK IN THE DAY WHEN WE FIRST WROTE OUR CONSTITUTION. SO MOST OF THE EXCITEMENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS OR TEXT AMENDMENTS SOMETHING THAT WOULD AFFECT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY

IF THAT CHANGE WERE MADE. >> I GOT A QUESTION. ON THAT SAME NOTE, THIS IS A SITUATION THAT OCCURS, LIKE YOU SAY, WHEN IT IMPACTS FOR THE MOST PART, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS OF THE MINORITY. AND TELL ME -- MAYBE I SHOULD LOOK TO OUR CITY MANAGER OUR CITY ATTORNEY -- I KNOW THIS IS PERTAINING TO PLANNING, BUT WHAT ARE THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTES REQUIRED FOR THIS COMMISSION IN ORDER TO HAVE A PASSING? ARE THERE ANY OTHERS, OTHER THAN THIS PARTICULAR ONE? THIS IS IT.

>> I DON'T THINK SO. >> TO CHANGE THE BUDGET, I THINK IT IS.

OR -- RIGHT. >> THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO? >> OKAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> AND THAT IS, I BELIEVE, AND I MAY LOOK TOO -- TO PETE MOST OF THE TIME IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS AS TO WHEN SUPER

MAJORITY VOTES COMES INTO PLAY. >> OKAY. >> JUST TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE DISCUSSION AND CONVERSATION ON THIS MATTER, I JUST PUT TOGETHER A COUPLE EVEN SPLITS OF PROS AND CONS TO THE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE. THE PROS, I'LL BEGIN WITH, SUPER MAJORITIES ARE INTENDED TO PREVENT A ENTIRETY OF THE MAJORITY, AND ENCOURAGE DELIBERATION AND PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP PRO KAIS AS GATHER ENOUGH VOTES TO REACH A SUPER MAJORITY.

IN THE LEGISLATURE, SUPER MAJORITIES ARE REQUIRED FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS AS I INDICATED, BECAUSE OF THE BELIEF THAT CONTUSIONS SHOULD BE AMENDED -- SHOULD NOT BE AMENDED WITHOUT CAREFUL DELIBERATION. THE CONS, SUPER MAJORITIES CAN MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO REACH A DECISION. AND SUPER MAJORITIES CAN MAKE IT HARDER TO ABELIEVE WELL INTENDED POSITIVE CHANGE. IN ADDITION TO THOSE THAT ARE NOT.

SO WITH THAT SAID, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME -- >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

DO YOU -- AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, BECAUSE YOU'RE RELATIVELY NEW HERE.

DO WE KNOW HOW LONG THE 20% RULE HAS BEEN AFFECT IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE? AND OR HOW LONG THE 50% MAJORITY HAS BEEN IN AFFECT IN ST. LUCIE COUNTY?

>> NO, I DO NOT KNOW THAT. BUT I CAN GET THAT ANSWER TO YOU.

>> THE REASON I'M BRINGING THAT UP IS, PERHAPS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT A LONG TIME AGO, THE 20% WAS THOUGHT TO BE A GOOD NUMBER. BUT MAYBE THERE ARE -- THERE ARE NOW CONSIDERATIONS THAT MAY BE WE COULD INCREASE THAT NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW. 20% --

>> I'LL LOOK INTO THAT. >> MADAM MAYOR, IF I CAN JUST QUICKLY.

SO SPECIFICALLY TO CONDITION OR USES WHICH HAS BEEN THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF WHERE WE'VE SEEN THESE COME UP LATELY, SO THAT'S SECTION 22-76, SUBSECTION 2, WHERE YOU HAVE

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THIS 20%. THAT ORDINANCE WAS PASSED IN JUNE OF 1981.

SO -- AND IT DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN AMENDED IN THE NEARLY 40 YEARS SINCE THEN.

AND TO YOUR POINT, THERE WERE NOT THE TYPES OF LAND PLANNING ISSUES IN 1981 THAT THERE ARE NOW WITH BIRCH A. HARRIS CLAIMS ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO IT IS PROBABLY A DIFFERET

WORLD. >> MR. PERRONA? >> YES, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR STUDY, IT WAS EXCELLENT BY THE WAY. IT GOT US TO A POINT, I ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT OUR NEIGHBORS ARE DOING. AND WHY ARE WE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS PROCESS IS EVERYBODY ELSE HAVING TO DO IT. BUT THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS WITH THE ADVANCEMENT OF QUASI JUDICIAL ISSUES IT HAS EVEN ADDED ANOTHER LAYER. LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT WHAT RECENTLY HAPPENED WITH CUMBERLAND FARMS. I MEAN, WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE IT REQUIRED A SUPER MAJORITY IN A QUASI JUDICIAL. THE BIGGEST DISCOMFORT I HAD WAS THAT WE ARE HELD IN OUR DECISIONS YOU KNOW TO SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE WHERE THE RESPONSE TO -- FROM FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY MAY NOT BE THAT.

THEY MAY BE EMOTIONAL. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING BUILT THERE.

I DON'T CARE WHAT. AND I'M GOING TO VOTE NO. BUT IF THAT TRIGGERS A SUPER MAJORITY, IT PUTS A REAL BURDEN UPON US AND WE CAN'T DO IT JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT IT.

WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE WE LIKE WHERE IT IS OR THE COLOR OF ITS AWNINGS OR WHATEVER.

WE HAVE TO HAVE SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE. WE ARE HELD TO THAT LEGALLY.

SO I FOUND IT IRONIC THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GARNER A -- YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF CONSENSUS, A SUPER MAJORITY CON CENSUS, IT REALLY PUT US INTO A BAG. AND I THINK I -- I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE GOTTEN SEVERAL E-MAILS THAT PLAYED OUT THE THE PUBLIC THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING. WHAT WE WERE DOING IS NEGOTIATING DOWN TO A VERY MINOR POINTS TRYING TO GET THAT ONE EXTRA PERSON TO GET TO BECOME PART OF THE SUPER MAJORITY.

THAT WAS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR US. AND A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE DO THIS, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME IN MANY MANY YEARS OF BEING ON THIS BOARD THAT I ABANDONED STAFF. FORGET WHAT YOU GUYS TOLD US.

FORGET WHAT YOU RECOMMENDED TO US. WE HAD TO GO IN TO UNCHARTERED

TERRITORY. >> AND IT TOOK US MANY HOURS. >> IT TOOK US FOREVER.

>> AND IT IS STILL OPEN. >> AND IT STILL HASN'T BEEN A --

>> SO I ASKED THAT THIS COME BACK IN FRONT OF US. BECAUSE THIS PROCESS IS NOT

WORKING. AT LEAST FOR THIS PART. >> COMMISSIONER PERRONA, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT HAVE BROUGHT THAT SAME ISSUE UP TO ME IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME THAT I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THAT. YOU KNOW, WHERE IS IT, WHERE IS THAT LINE DRAWN TO WHERE THE PROCESS OF QUASI JUDICIAL HOLDS ON ITS OWN.

>> YEAH. >> WITHOUT JUST ARBITRARY AND JUST PER -- YOU KNOW, SENSITIVE

FEELINGS MAY NOT -- >> I MEAN, WE'RE REPRESENTED -- I MEAN, EVERY ONE OF US RAN FOR OFFICE. MOST ALL OF US HAD OPPOSITION. WE HAD TO BE OUT THERE AND TELL OUR STORY. THE THING ABOUT IT IS REARE ELECTED BECAUSE WE REPRESENT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. WE ARE REALLY DO. SO THOSE ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO US. WHEN WE VOTE WE DON'T VOTE JUST BECAUSE I LIKE IT OR DON'T LIKE IT. THERE ARE A LOT OF ISSUES, IN FACT ONE COMING UP ON THE INJURY TAKEN DAH THAT'S IN O OUR -- AGENDA THAT'S IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY THAT MAKE US GO TO VOTE.

AND IF WE VOTE A SUPER MAJORITY, WHEN WE'RE TRYING -- YOU KNOW, I FELT LIKE MONTY HALL AND I'M GOING TO DO LET'S MAKE A DEAL AND I'M TALKING DOWN TO MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS AND THEY'RE GIVING ME, YOU KNOW, LITTLE PARTS. AND I'M GIVING THEM LITTLE PARTS SO WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS.

REALLY, THE FINAL PRODUCT DOES NOT REPRESENT WHAT I WOULD'VE EXPECT FROM THIS COMMISSION.

SO THIS IS NOT WORKING. TO ME, THIS IS NOT WORKING. I WANT TO SEE A CHANGE.

I DON'T WANT TO -- I DON'T WANT TO DISCOUNT THE VOICE OF THE PUBLIC.

I REALLY DON'T. BUT I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY THIS IS A THIS IS A REPRESENTATION OF THE MINORITY. AS MUCH AS IT IS FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

THERE MAY BE A MINORITY THAT HAS A VEST -- A LITTLE HIGHER VESTED INTEREST OR A PERCEIVED TEST VESTED INTEREST THAT MAY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE TURNING A BLIND EYE TO FOLKS THAT -- I THINK WHAT THE COMMISSION WOULD DO IN A NORMAL SITUATION WOULD REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. AND MAKE A GOOD SOLID DECISION BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE THAT THEY'VE RECEIVED, BASED UPON STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS.

BASED UPON PLANNING BOARDS AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT HAS VETTED THIS ISSUE ALL THE WAY OUT.

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THAT SYSTEM WORKS FOR ME. THAT SYSTEM WORKS FOR THIS BOARD.

AND WHEN WE SIT THERE AND TRY TO THROW IN ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF, WE DO LOOK LIKE A BUNCH OF CLOWNS SOMETIMES TRYING TO GET OUT THERE AND COME TO A CONCLUSION.

SO I WANT TO SEE A CHANGE ON THAT. I MEAN, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT --

>> WHAT CHANGE DO YOU WANT TO SEE? I MEAN, IS IT A HIGHER

PERCENTAGE? >> I MEAN IT COULD. I MEAN, I WOULD -- I UNDERSTAND -- I LIKE THAT 50%. IF I HAD TO HAVE IT AT ALL, I WOULD LIKE THAT 50%.

BUT THERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH QUASI JUDICIAL ISSUES, I MEAN IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE -- IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE NO, TO HOLD THE CITIZEN TO THE SAME LEVEL AS WE DO.

AND WITH YOUR NO VOTE, YOU HAD TO GO AHEAD IN THE BOTTOM BELOW PUT SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS YOUR NO VOTE. WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. SO I EITHER WOULD WANT TO REMOVE IT FOR MAYBE A CONDITIONAL USE.

I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD LIKE A RECOMMENDATION. BUT DEFINITELY AT LEAST TO RAISE

IT TO A 50% THRESHOLD. >> WHAT ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THE SUPER MAJORITY AS OPPOSED TO

A MAJORITY AND NOT DEALING WITH THAT RATIO? >> WELL, IF YOU'RE ASKING ME.

>> YEAH. FR>> I THINK DOES PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE MANDATE THAT WE HAVE A SUPER MAJORITY ON CERTAIN ISSUES OR NOT? I SEE OTHER COMMUNITIES DON'T.

I THINK THE TIME OF SUPER MAJORITY IS OVER. I REALLY DO.

WE ALL ARE -- WE ALL SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. I KNOW THAT IF THERE'S A MAJOR ISSUE COMING UP ESPECIALLY IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION, I KNOW I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE, MAYOR, I KNOW YOU'RE IN THERE, JEREMIAH, I KNOW THE REST OF YOU ARE ALL LOOKING AT WHAT HAD HAPPENED IN ONE OF OUR PLANNING MEETINGS MAYBE TO GET US READY FOR WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN ON COMMISSION NIGHT. THIS IS COMMON. THIS IS WHAT WE DO FOR RESEARCH.

TO THROW THIS OTHER LAYER IN THERE, I THINK IT JUST COMPLICATES THE ISSUE.

I DON'T THINK IT ACHIEVES WHAT SUPER MAJORITY IS SUPPOSED TO DO.

AND SUPER MAJORITY IS THAT YOU PUT IN PART OF THE PROS IS TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND PROPERLY COMMUNICATE ALL OF THE ISSUES TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT CONCLUSION.

WE DO THAT ANY WAY. THIS IS NOT A -- WE'RE NOT CHANGING A CONSTITUTION.

WE'RE NOT DOING SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS THAT. WE'RE MERELY DOING OUR JOB.

AND THAT JOB, I WOULD -- TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION MAYBE QUICKER IS THAT I WOULD RATHER

SEE THE SUPERMAJORITY GO AWAY. >> SO WOULD YOU -- AND SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES THERE. THERE'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE FOR THE PUBLIC.

AND THAT'S THE PUBLIC WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE, RIGHT? AND THEN THERE'S A -- THERE'S

THE P AND Z DISAPPROVAL. >> THAT'S CORRECT, MAYOR. >> SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. AND I'M NOT SO SURE I WANT TO GET RID OF THE SUPERMAJORITY ENTIRELY BECAUSE SOME VOTES I FEEL THAT ARE -- THAT THINGS ARE DIVIDED AND THINGS ARE -- SOME VOTES ARE REALLY TOUGH TO MAKE. AND SHOULD BE TOUGH. AND -- BUT -- SO HOW WOULD YOU

FEEL ABOUT THE P AND Z DISAPPROVAL? >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT WAS -- THOSE ARE SOME OF THE POINTS I WAS GOING TO BRING UP. SO I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND I REALLY -- I WAS LOOKING INTO SEBASTIAN THE MOST BECAUSE THIS ONE INTRIGUED ME THE MOST. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE CONDITIONS OF SEBASTIAN, YOUR P AND Z APPEALS, WELL, IF YOU COME BACK AS SOMEONE IS APPEALING, THEN SUPERMAJORITY, THAT'S ROCK SOLID IN MY OPINION. YOU'RE APPEALING AND CALLING OUT AGAIN, SAYING, HEY, THIS IS REALLY MY CASE, YOU KNOW, HERE ARE SOME MORE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. HERE'S THAT QUASI JUDICIAL. EVERYTHING I TOLD YOU BUT I WANT TO CLARIFY IT FOR YOU. SO I LIKE THAT ONE. LAND PURCHASES, THAT'S HUGE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BECAUSE OF THE TAXPAYER, WE'RE SPENDING TAX PAYERS MONEY.

SO WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT THE SUPERMAJORITY IN THAT CASE? >> MAY I VERY QUICKLY.

WE DIDN'T IDENTIFY ALL OF THE ONES -- THERE'S ABOUT SEVEN AREAS AND A COUPLE THAT ARE OUTSIDE ARE THE POWER OF IMMINENT DOMAIN IS AN AREA THAT REQUIRES FOUR FIFTHS.

>> WE HAVE NO CHOICE ON THAT ONE, RIGHT? >> BUT ALSO CONDEMNATION, IF YOU'RE TAKING SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY A DIFFERENT WAY. AND FINALLY LONG TERM LEASES.

>> BUT THOSE GO INTO FLORIDA STA STATUTE?

>> ABSOLUTELY. AND FEDERAL TAKINGS LAW AS WELL. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT

THOSE ARE THE KIND OF LEVEL THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> RIGHT.

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AND THEN THE TAX AMENDMENTS, TAX AMENDMENTS AND ESPECIALLY AT P AND Z WE ASK THESE FOLKS TO COME IN AS VOLUNTEERS, THEY REALITY, THEY LOOK AT IT, WE'RE LOOKING AT CHAPTER 22 ALL OF THE TIME.

WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT CHAPTER 22 AND AMENDING IT AND MASSAGING IT OR JUST TALKING ABOUT IT AND NOT DOING ANYTHING TO IT. AND WE STILL HAVE MORE WORK TO DO.

SO IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE FOR A SUPERMAJORITY. BECAUSE THERE MIGHT BE SOME FACTORS WHERE OUR VOLUNTEERS JUST DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW IN A TEXT AMENDMENT ESPECIALLY MAYBE WE HAD DIFFERENT WHIMSES ON THAT DAY AND HAD A DIFFERENT OPINION, AND FOUR FIFTHS VOTE FOR IT, GOOD FOR US IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. BUT THE 20% NUMBER.

I'VE BEEN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT SINCE THE DAY I TOOK A POSITION AS A P AND Z NUMBER.

BECAUSE IT WAS JUST ODD TO ME. >> THAT VOTE? >> YEAH, IT WAS A THREE.

AND THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WOW, WHY DON'T WE JUST HAVE 50%. WE DO EVERYTHING IN THE UNITED STATES BY 50% AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'VE GOT 20% AND I'VE GOT A DENSE DEVELOPMENT NEXT TO AN APPLICATION. AND THERE'S JUST A GROUP THAT SAID NO.

SO THEN WE GO THROUGH A LOT OF STEPS. >> AND THAT GROUP IS THE NEIGHBORING -- IS THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS, NOT THE WHOLE -- AS COMMISSIONER

PERRONA WAS SAYING, NOT LIKE THE WHOLE CITY? >> NO, NOT AT ALL.

BUT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. >> YES. >> AND IT IS IN THEIR FACE THE

MOST. >> RIGHT. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE 20%. SO I THINK THERE ARE SOME VERY GOOD CONDITIONS -- CONDITIONAL USA USAGES, I DON'T AGREE WITH WE

HAVE IT, ST. LUCIE HAVE IT, IS THAT THE ONLY TWO? >> MM-HMM.

>> YEAH. I DON'T LIKE THAT ONE. I DON'T THINK IT WORKS.

IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. ESPECIALLY QUASI JUDICIAL NOW THAT YOU HAVE THE OTHER FACTOR IN THERE LIKE YOU SAID, SO MUCH IS COMING HOT US, TWO PLUS TWO IS NOT FOUR AT THAT MOMENT.

SO I REALLY WAS LEANING IN THE SEBASTIAN WAY. I LIKE WHAT THEY HAVE THERE.

IT INVOLVES THE FOLK AND IT INVOLVES THE PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE BIG DECISIONS. ESPECIALLY IN APPEALS, ESPECIALLY A PURCHASE AND TEXT AMENDMENTS MY GOSH. BUT THAT IS ONLY IF P AND Z DOESN'T AGREE, RIGHT.

>> IF THEY OPPOSE IT. >> CAN EVERYONE SEE SEBASTIAN? >> NO.

>> NOT ON YOUR SCREEN. >> I APOLOGIZE, EVERYTHING GOT A LITTLE SKEWED WHEN I PUT IT UP THERE. BUT FOR SEBASTIAN THERE IS A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE REQUIRED.

THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS ARE P AND Z APPEALS, LAND PURCHASES, TEXT AMENDMENTS, AND ONLY IF P

AND Z OPPOSES THEM. >> IF YOU EXIT OUT OF THE SLIDE SHOW -- I'M NOT SURE.

>> THAT I JUST PUT ON. >> IT MIGHT SHOW UP. >> YOU CAN SCROLL --

>> THERE IT IS. >> THERE YOU GO. CAN Y'ALL SEE THAT NOW?

>> I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM. I JUST LIKE THOSE CONDITIONS.

THOSE ARE MAJOR COMPANDITIONS O PROCESSES THAT AFFECT THE CITY, SO.

>> IS P AND Z APPEALS THE SAME THING IF P AND Z OPPOSES? >> THE TEXT AMENDMENTS.

>> OH, OKAY. TEXT AMENDMENTS. PURCHASES ARE --

>> PURCHASES ARE RESEARCHERS, RIGHT? THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

>> LET'S TAKE A SUPERMAJORITY TO CHANGE? >> FUNNY FOR A MONDAY MORNING.

>> SORRY. GETTING GIDDY. >> I WOULD -- HMM.

I LIKE -- I AGREE WITH YOU, I LIKE THE SEBASTIAN -- IT LOOKS LIKE THEY THOUGHT IT THROUGH.

>> MAYOR, IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY MAYBE WATCHING THIS OR LATER ON FOLLOWING IT, JUST BECAUSE THE PERCENTAGE WOULD CHANGE OR GO AWAY, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 500 FEET AWAY, THAT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY ANYBODY ELSE'S DUE PROCESS RIGHTS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. AND WE HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS TO BE AN INTERVENER.

SO NOBODY IS GOING TO LOSE THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE STANDING. IT IS JUST NOT GOING TO BE AS SIMPLE AS CHECK A BOX ON A FORM THAT WAS MAILED OUT. AND THEN THAT'S THE END OF IT.

SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THAT. >> AND REMEMBER, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST QUESTIONS WE ASK EVERY TIME IS WHAT DID THEY SAY, WHY WERE THEY --

>> WE ASK THAT EVERY TIME. SO MAYBE THAT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FOLKS THAT SAY NO TO COME HERE AND JUST TELL US WHY. YOU KNOW, VERY PERSONAL ONE-ON-ONE. THEY'RE TESTIFYING. THEY'RE GIVING EVIDENCE.

>> AND IT DOESN'T STOP THEM EVEN IF IT IS NOT SUBSTANTIAL COMPETENT EVIDENCE, IT DOESN'T

STOP THEM FROM AIRING WHAT THEY -- HOW THEY FEEL. >> ABSOLUTELY, MAYOR.

>> SO DO I HEAR SUPPORT FOR 50%? >> MAYOR? >> YES.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOING TO 50% OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE OR GOING TO WHAT SEBASTIAN HAS?

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT -- WELL, I WAS GOING TO START WITH 50% AND THEN TALK ABOUT SEBASTIAN.

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BUT -- >> I WOULD RATHER SUPPORT SEBASTIAN I THINK IT IS A MOVE

IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. >> MEANING A NO PERCENTAGE? >> NO PERCENTAGE AND IT IS AN

AUTOMATIC FOR THOSE -- IF P AND Z OPPOSES, SO. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> I AGREED, SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS, THE P AND Z BOARD HAVE THEY WEIGHED IN WITH ANY CONFIDENCE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HEAR THIS COME TO THEM.

>> WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO THEM ABOUT IT. IT WILL GO --

>> IT WILL GO TO THEM. >> IT WILL GO TO THEM. >> IT WILL GO TO THEM FIRST.

>> WOULD IT GO TO TRC FIRST. >> TRC AND THEN PLANNING AND ZONING AND THEN Y'ALL.

>> AND BACK TO COMMISSIONER PERRONA'S QUESTION, IT COULD REQUIRE A SUPERMAJORITY IF THEY WERE AGAINST IT, IT IS KIND OF THE IRONY OF WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES.

>> I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THE 20% OR THE 50%. YOU JUST COME IN, THE METHODOLOGY IS JUST DIFFERENT. IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IT USED TO BE.

COME IN AND TELL US WHY. THAT'S WHAT -- WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR VOICE.

>> MADAM MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU SAY WE WANT TO HEAR THE VOICE, THAT'S TRUE ENOUGH. BUT, YOU KNOW, I TAKE SOME OFFENSE TO WHEN THE INDIVIDUAL IS DEMANDING, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY VOICE IS HEARD WHEN SOME PROPERTY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE -- WENT IN HERE AND TRIED TO MAKE OUR CITY A BETTER CITY AND, YOU KNOW, THEY OPPOSE TO EVERYTHING. LIKE NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

WE THAT WITH THE PRECAST AND ALL OF THAT IDEA, WE STILL OWN THE CHOPPING BLOCK ABOUT THAT.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT'S GOING ON IS JUST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND.

AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE THAT SURROUND -- OR VERY FEW PEOPLE WHEN THEY GET TOGETHER IT IS A BAND. YOU KNOW. AND THEN THEY CAN COME IN HERE AND THEY CAN TALK TO US LIKE THEY WISH. THEY DO RESPECTFULLY DO IT.

BUT YOU UNDERSTAND ME? YOU CAN SEE THE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS -- ANGER?

THEY DON'T WANT NO DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR VICINITY. >> AND WHAT THEY IMAGINE IN THEIR MINDS IS ALWAYS SOMETHING MUCH WORSE THAN THE ACTUALITY, I THINK, TOO.

>> YES. BUT THAT DELAYED THESE PROPERTY OWNERS FROM DEVELOPING THEIR PROPERTIES. YOU KNOW, WITH THAT LITTLE MINUTIA WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

AND YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF DISCOURAGING. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE

ARE HERE FOR. THEY PAY US THE BIG BUCKS. >> HA HA.

COMMISSIONER PERRONA. >> AND I'M LOOKING, AGAIN, AT THE SEBASTIAN FORMAT AND WHAT I LIKE ABOUT IT, IT ALSO GIVES THE PUBLIC AN OPPORTUNITY -- ALMOST ALL OF THEM ARE PUBLIC MEETINGS THEY CAN GO IN AND SPEAK WITH THEIR SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TOWARDS A DENIAL OR AN ACCEPTANCE OR APPROVAL TO THOSE BOA BOARDS.

AND AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME, THEY BECOME PART OF THE SYSTEM EARLY ON.

AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO US, WE HAVE A BETTER PRODUCT TO DEAL WITH.

WE CAN GO BACK AND REVIEW THOSE. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU MEMBERS FROM THE PUBLIC HAVE HONED THEIR SKILLS BY GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE, MUCH LIKE WE HAVE. THEY MAY HAVE SHOWED UP AT A PLANNING MEETING AND SAID, I JUST DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT IS -- AND ALL OF THESE PERCEPTIONS COME OUT AND THEN THEY FOUND OUT THE PERCEPTIONS AREN'T GOING TO MAKE ANYBODY CHANGE THEIR MIND SO THEY GET BETTER AT IT. AND BY THE TIME THEY GET TO US.

AND THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT REALLY WORKS SO JAIRM MAYA IF YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT, I GIVE

YOU CONSENSUS ON THE SEBASTIAN FORMAT AND -- >> YEAH, I ALSO.

I AGREE WITH YOU BUT I ALSO WANT TO STATE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS IS IN OUR INTERACTION WITH THE PUBLIC, WE SOMETIMES TALK TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE POSITION ON SOMETHING BUT DON'T COME TO THE MEETING. THEIR VIEWS NEVER GET HEARD. BUT THEY'VE TALKED TO US ABOUT

IT >> RIGHT. >> SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING.

SOMETIMES IT IS VERY ONE SIDED BECAUSE THE MOST PASSIONATE PEOPLE ARE HERE IN THE CHAMBERS.

BUT THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO TALK TO LIVES OR WHATEVER, DON'T SHOW UP. SO SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC VERB VERBALIZING ON -- AT OUR MEETINGS IS NOT NECESSARILY

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REFLECTIVE OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO IS AFFECTED BY IT, NECESSARILY.

I MEAN, I'VE HAD -- I'VE HAD SOMEBODY SAY TO ME ABOUT THE CUMBERLAND FARMS THAT THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF THE HOA LEADERSHIP AND THEY DID NOT FEEL THAT THEY SHOULD COME HERE AND SAY ANYTHING THAT WAS CONTRARY OR -- SO YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE INTERNAL WORK, ESPECIALLY OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE INNER WORKINGS OF THAT.

YES, SIR? >> MAYOR, HI THE OPPOSITE. I HAD THOSE WHO SAID THEY CAN'T SHOW UP. AND THEY'RE NOT IN FAVOR OF WHAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS DOING. AND WE KNOW THAT. AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AND TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE IMPACTS TO THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THAT 500 OR 1,000 FOOT AREA. SO IT IS -- WE'RE A BALANCING ACT AND WE HAVE TO DO THAT. AND IT JUST MAKING OUR BAL BALANCING -- OUR BALANCE OFF A LITTLE BIT. WHEN WE HAVE TO WALK A LITTLE BIT OF A TIGHTER BEAM.

AND IT DOES THAT WITH SUPERMAJORITY. >> AND THAT'S SORT OF DEMOCRACY.

THE H.O.A. IS A DEMOCRACY TOO. SO NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO BE IN AGREEMENT.

>> SURE. >> YES, SIR. >> I'M DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH ON SEBASTIAN. I'D LIKE TO -- NOT THAT WE HAVE A COPY OF THAT MODEL.

I JUST LIKED THE LANGUAGE THAT IS THERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WHY THEY WOULD PUT THEM IN. AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR AMENDMENTS AND OUR PURCHASES, WHATEVER, THAT IS GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE EXTRA. THAT'S ALL IT IS.

THAT'S JUST A LITTLE EXTRA. BECAUSE LIKE IT OR LUMP IT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING, IT IS POLIT POLITICALIZE -- POLITE SIZED ANY WAY.

IT IS PRESSURE OR FOLKS GETTING PRESSURE FROM THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'RE LIVING IN THE

COMMUNITY. >> THEY'RE NOT TRAINED PLANNERS THEY'RE CITIZENS.

>> AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT. >> YEAH. >> THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

EVEN THE P AND Z DISAPPROVALS IF IT IS A 4-3 AND A TIGHT ONE A LOT OF DISCUSSION WE CAN READ THE MINUTES MAN, THAT IS -- NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN IT TRIGGERS US TO THE FOUR FIFTHS IMMEDIATELY.

AND IT WAS CLOSER IN THAT MEETING. I LIKE THAT MODEL.

>> I AGREE. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON

THAT? >> I'M GOOD WITH SEBASTIAN. ARE YOU GOOD WITH SEBASTIAN?

>> YES. >> THERE YOU GO. >> YUP.

>> SO MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF WHICH I, ISI -- COMMISSION, WHAT WE'LL DO FORM A -- BRING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND EVENTUALLY IT WILL COME TO YOU, I DON'T KNOW THE

EXACT TIME FRAME. PROBABLY 90 TO 120 DAYS. >> IT SHOULD TAKE TIME.

I THINK IT SHOULD. YEAH. >> HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU AND HOPEFULLY CRAFT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL BE PROUD OF AND SUPPORT.

>> WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT CHAPTER AT THE SAME TIME. >> CHAPTER 22?

>> WELL, AT LEAST THE SECTION. SECTION 76 -- 70 SOMETHING? MIGHT AS WELL WHILE WE'RE HERE.

>> 76. >> WHILE WE'RE HERE. 1981, REMEMBER THAT.

>> 1981. >> BETTER THAN BEFORE, I GUESS. >> MM-HMM.

>> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. NEXT ITEM IS ACHIEVING OUR

[d. Achieving Our Vision 2019 - Fort Pierce Strategic Plan Update as of October 1, 2019]

VISION 2019 FORT PIERCE STRATEGIC PLAN UPDATE AS OF OCTOBER 21ST OF 2019.

>> MR. MIMS. >> MEMBERS OF THE CITY COMMISSION I'M PROUD TO ONCE AGAIN SAY THAT YOUR 375 APPROXIMATE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU HAVE, IS THE BEST GROUP OF EMPLOYEES THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE EVER FIELDED ON THIS TEAM.

MANY OF THEM IN THIS AUDIENCE AND THIS CHAMBER TODAY. AND WE HAVE DEFINITELY MOVED FORWARD IN ACHIEVING THE STRATEGIC ACTION ITEMS ASKED IDENTIFIED IN YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS EARLIER THIS YEAR. SOME HIGHLIGHTS THAT I'M GOING TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO. BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT.

THAT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION. BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR ROAD CONDITIONS AND RESURF RESURFACING PROGRAM. MANY OF THE TARGET MILESTONES HAVE BEEN SOUTHBOUND COMPLETED. AND WE'RE COLLABORATING WITH F.U.A. TO RESURFACE THE STREETS TOGETHER WITH THE UTILITY REPLACEMENTS. CONSTRUCTION IS CURRENTLY UNDERWAY ON AVENUE A AND AVENUE B FROM 7TH TO 8TH STREET. WE ARE DESIGNING A STREET RECONSTRUCTION FROM ORANGE AVENUE TO AVENUE B. 7TH STREET FROM WENDELL TO 10TH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AS WELL. AND WE ARE RECEIVING BIDS, HOPEFULLY, VERY SOON FOR 17TH STREET FROM ORANGE TO AVENUE D. SO THAT'S OUR NEXT BIG PROJECT. SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVING WITH OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT REGARD. AS YOU ALL KNOW, OUR CANE PLAN REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT IS A VERY PRIORITY PROJECT FOR THE FPRA, THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU IN A SPECIAL MEETING ON OCTOBER -- I'M SORRY, NOVEMBER THE 12TH.

THAT'S OUR FINAL DAY OF OUR EXTENSION. WE HAD A ROUGHLY 60 DAY PLUS OR

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MINUS EXTENSION TO GET THIS DONE. MR. PETE SWEENEY AND MYSELF, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR NEGOTIATING TEAM. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE REACHED A VERY GOOD POINT. WE'VE REACHED A TENTATIVE AGREEMENT.

AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT ALL OF THE SPECIAL BIG WORDS TOGETHER.

AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AND DEVELOPERS ATTORNEY WILL BRING TOGETHER AN AGREEMENT THAT I BELIEVE WILL GET US WHERE WE WANT TO BE WITHIN THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS.

WE'LL HAVE A JEWEL IN OUR DOWNTOWN AREA. IN ADDITION, WE DID IN INTERNAL REVISIONS IN THE WAY WE'RE COMPLETING OUR BUSINESS. SOMETHING HAS COME UP IN THE WAY THAT WE'RE MONITORING OUR IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

WE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE ENFORCE, HOW WE INSPECT OUR LANDSCAPING, OUR SITE CONDITIONS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. HAD A VERY GOOD MEETING WITH THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ALSO OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS. AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH A MUCH IMPROVED PROCESS TO INSPECT AND ENSURE THAT THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT IS LANDSCAPING OR SITE IMPROVEMENTS, ARE GOING TO BE INSPECTED AT A MUCH THOROUGH AND I GUESS ACCOUNTABLE FASHION.

AND THAT WAY WE WILL BEAUTIFY AND INTENSIFY OUR BEAUTIFICATION FOR OUR GREAT CITY.

AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS MOVING FORWARD.

YOU JUST RECENTLY APPROVED THE CONSTRUCTION AWARD FOR A COMPANY.

I FORGOT THE COMPANY'S NAME. TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE THIRD FLOOR OF THE SUNRISE CENTER. AND THAT WAY OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT SHALL MOVE INTO THAT FACILITY HOPEFULLY MARCH, APRIL. AND WE'LL HAVE A PERMITTING HUB FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY TO VISIT AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL EXPEDITE THEIR EXPERIENCE HERE. AND WE WILL IMPROVE UPON OUR VERY GOOD PERMITTING EXPERIENCE HERE IN THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME OF OUR FANTASTIC DEPARTMENT HEADS AND EMPLOYEES IN THE AUDIENCE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN, WE ARE HERE FOR YOU AT THIS TIME.

>> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS SAME NOTE ON THIS ISSUE AND PAYEE WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST PERSON IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE PLANNING SESSION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SOMEWHAT GET AN UPDATE AS TO HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE. AND IT PERTAINS TO THE VIO VIOLATIONS AND THE CODE ENFORC ENFORCEMENTS. IT APPEARS THAT A LOT OF MY CONSTITUENTS HAVE CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO THE NUMEROUS VIOL VIOLATIONS THAT ARE IN TH THEIR -- FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND FROM THEIR OPINION AND FROM THEIR WORDS. WE'RE NOT BEING CITED LIKE A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH OR TO THE EAST WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF VIOLATIONS OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA VERSUS THE CITY AT LARGE. AND I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES WE DO SPORADIC CODE ENFORCEMENT OF VIOLATIONS. BUT ONE PERSON CAN CALL, IT IS ONE THING.

BUT WHEN I HAVE PEOPLE BOMBARDING ME AT THE GROCERY STORE OR MEETING ME WHEN I'M TRAVELLING FROM MY FRONT DOOR TO MY CAR, IT RAISES SOME CONCERNS. SO THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ME THAT I KNOW WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION. BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE

WITH THAT AND DEALING WITH THAT ISSUE. >> MR. MIMS?

>> WELL, I DO HAVE OUR CORAL COMPLIANCE MANAGER. BUT I WANT TO ENSURE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT IS CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY.

SOMETIMES WE HAVE INITIATIVES FOR CERTAIN CORRIDORS. WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

AND I DO BELIEVE INTENSIFYING OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AT THE ENTRANCES OR INDEGREES OR EGRESS OF OUR COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A PARAMOUNT CONCERN AS WELL.

WE WANT TO HAVE A VERY AESTHETICALLY PLEASING LOOK AS FAR AS HOW OUR CITY APPEARS TO OUR VISITORS AND OUR RESIDENTS AS YOU TRAVERSE OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY.

PEGGY WHY DON'T YOU KIND OF ADDRESS WHAT COMMISSIONER SESSIONS HAS MENTIONED?

>> MAZE RACE. >> GOOD MORNING MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS.

UNFORTUNATELY I THINK -- AND I RECEIVED THIS COMPLAINT ALSO. >> SAME PEOPLE CALLING YOU

CALLING ME. P>> IT IS MORE OF A EFFORT BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE CALLING ARE JUST UNINFORMED. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS EQUAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

BUT WE DID JUST CHANGE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AREAS TO KIND OF EQUAL OUT.

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WE HAD DIFFERENT OFFICERS DOING DIFFERENT AREAS. AND OF COURSE DIFFERENT OFFICERS DO -- WORK DIFFERENTLY. SO WE NOW DO TEAMS. I HAVE A TEAM OF TWO THAT GOES FROM 17TH TO THE WEST. AND A TEAM THAT GOES FROM 17TH TO THE EAST.

THEY DO THE NORTH SIDE OF THE TOWN TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE TOWN.

AND WE DO IT IN TEAMS NOW. SO WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT DIFFERENT APPROACH.

AND WE'VE ALSO DONE A DIFFERENT APPROACH MR. MIMS AND I WORKED OUT WHAT I'M CALLING THE AVERAGE JOE AMENDMENT. WHICH IS IF YOU'RE WALKING -- IF YOU'RE AT A CALL AND WE ALWAYS DO A COMPLETE SO IF I'M AT THIS HOUSE HERE, I'M NOT GOING TO JUST SAY THIS HOUSE I'M GOING TO LOOK TO THE RIGHT AND LEFT AND TURN AROUND AND LOOK ACROSS THE STREET, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS WE'RE NOT TRYING TO NITPICK, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS FIND THE PROPERTIES THAT REALLY NEED THE ATTENTION. SO THESE ARE SOME RECENT CHANGES WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST FOUR MONTHS, I WANT TO SAY, WHERE INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR EVERY SINGLE VIOLATION YOU CAN FIND,

IT IS ADDRESSING THE NEEDS THAT REALLY NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. >> IS IT STILL COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

>> WE ARE MOSTLY COMPLAINT DRIVEN. YES.

I ONLY HAVE FOUR OFFICERS, AS YOU'RE AWARE. >> I'M NOT ASKINGNA.

I'M ASKING IF THE DRIVER IS -- >> IT IS MOSTLY COMPLAINTS. IF WE RESPOND TO THE COMPLAINT, WE'LL ALSO DO THE SURROUNDING AREA. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO UP OUR BLACK -- LOT CLEARINGS. WE'VE BEEN DOING MORE LOT CLEARINGS AND FOCUS ON THE CARTERS. IF IT IS PROACTIVE IT IS ONE OF THOSE TWO AREAS LOT CLEARINGS AND CARTER ENFORCEMENT. AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, IT IS MOSTLY COMPLAINT DRIVEN.

>> AND I KNOW -- I MEAN, I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN BEING CLEAN IN TERMS OF CODE ENFORCEMENT.

I MEAN, DON'T MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR ME. YOU'RE MY NEIGHBOR.

SO AT LEAST KEEP YOUR PROPERTY UP TO PAR. AND KEEPING YOUR PROPERTY UP TO PAR IMPROVES THE WHOLE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT PRIME EXAMPLE, THERE IS A PERSON THAT WAS FREIGHTLY IN A POSITION NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FRANCIS CASE SWEET AREA.

AND NOT ONLY DID THAT PERSON GET ADDRESSED BUT THERE WERE SO MANY ADD IN THERE ARE THINGS BEEN A HALF MILE RADIUS THAT BROUGHT A LOT OF PHONE CALLS TO ME. BECAUSE NOT ONLY DID WE TAKE CARE OF THE PROBLEM BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE SURROUNDING AREA BEING WRITTEN UP FOR ADMINISTERIAL THINGS THAT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF WHAT

I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THAT AREA. >> UNFORTUNATELY, SIR, I'M NOT. BUT I CAN LOOK INTO IT.

>> OKAY. THEY WERE COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

ALL OF THE NEIGHBORS IN THE AREA COMING BEFORE THE COMMISSION. AND I GAVE HIM THE SAME ARGUMENT HE JUST GAVE ME. BUT, AGAIN THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CAREFUL OF.

POLICE WORK IS -- CODE ENFORCEMENT IS LIKE POLICE WORK. A LOT OF TIMES IT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE OFFICER. AND YOU CAN BE NEIGHBORLY AND GO OVER AND ERADICATE AND STOP A LOT OF PROBLEMS OR YOU CAN HAVE GUESS STOP & SHOP POE -- GUS STOP POE TACTICS THAT DON'T WORK IN THE END. THEN PEOPLE TEND TO DRAWBACK AND YOU HAVE ISSUES.

AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING I HOPE WE CAN ADDRESS AND DEAL WITH BECAUSE JUST SWEEPING IT UNDER THE RUG IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THE SITUATION BETTER. AS A MATTER OF FACT ONLY GET WORSE. SO WE WILL -- I KNOW WE'RE GROWING, BUT STILL LET'S HAVE PEOPLE SKILLS AND DEAL WITH PEOPLE IN A NEIGHBORLY FASHION AND I THINK IT WILL EVEN WORK FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT. PEOPLE WILL TEND TO BE MORE COOPERATIVE IF WE TEND TO ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP WITH PEOPLE. BUT GETTING BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT, THERE WAS A PROBLEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT WAS A BIG MESS.

BUT WHEN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER GOT OUT THERE, THEY WERE JUST ADMINISTERIAL THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, GRASS, OR FENCES NOT BEING PLACED ON THE HINGES PROPERLY.

JUST MINOR THINGS. AND TRUE ENOUGH, IT IS IN THE BOOKS. THESE ARE RULES AND REGULATIONS.

BUT AT WHAT POINT DO WE USE COMMON SENSE TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE AND DEAL WITH PEOPLE IN A

MORE RATIONAL FASHION? >> SIR. ARE WE UNDERSTANDING PEGGY AND I WILL FIRST RESEARCH THAT SITUATION AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE AVERAGE JOE ASSESSMENT, I

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THINK THAT WILL REMEDY THAT SITUATION. >> YEAH.

>> YES, SIR. >> YOU'RE STILL SEEKING COMPLIANCE AFTER ALL.

>> WE ARE. >> NOT SEEKING FINES, YOU'RE SEEKING COMPLIANCE.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> RIGHT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF PEGGY? >> ALSO, MAYOR.

>> YES, SIR. >> PLEASE ALSO, PLEASE TUNE IN TO CHANNEL 27.

I THINK THE PROGRAMMING IS MUCH BETTER. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE REAL-TIME CLOSED CAPTIONING THAT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED. SO IT IS GOING ON RIGHT NOW.

SO I DO WANT TO COMMEND OUR I.T. DEPARTMENT, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE HANDLING AN ENTIRE CITY. SO THEY'RE DOING A VERY GOOD JOB WITH OUR FRONT FACING COMMUNITY -- MEDIA AND TELLING OUR STORY AND GETTING OUR PROGRAMMING OUT TO THE

COMMUNITY. >> YEAH. I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT I.T. BECAUSE THERE WAS A A -- OVER -- A BIG SWEEPING CHANGES.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THOSE WERE PRETTY MUCH. THE CHANGES THAT ARE COMING.

SO CHANNEL 27 IS ONE OF THEM. >> THAT'S ONE OF THEM. AND WE'RE CONTINUING TO UPDATE OUR NETWORK INFRASTRUCTURE. AS YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING WAS BUILT IN 1990 OR 89.

AND WE'VE HAD SEVERAL REPLACEMENTS AND WIRING AND ALSO OUR STORAGE DEVICES.

AND WE'RE MORE OF A CLOUD BASED ORGANIZATION NOW. WHERE WE USED TO HAVE SERVERS AND SERVERS AND SERVERS. NOW WE'RE IN THE CLOUD. BUT WE DO HAVE REDUNDANCY AND WE DO PROTECT OUR DATA AND ASSETS. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO IMPROVE OUR EFFICIENCY, AS FAR AS OPERATIONALLY, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE JUST DON'T HAVE PEOPLE TO COME AND SEE, YOU KNOW, JOHNA ON A DAILY BASIS IF SHE WANTS TO CHANGE THE COLOR OF HER CLSCREE SO WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE -- JUST TRYING TO -- YEAH, WE TRY TO MAKE IT A SYSTEM WHERE WE CAN PUSH OUT THE INFORMATION AND THE CLOUD BASED STORAGE AND THE CONNECTIVITY THAT WE HAVE IS REALLY A TURNING -- TURNING THIS

THING AROUND. >> I WAS ALSO GOING TO ASK ABOUT THE MRPOLICE RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION EFFORTS, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE AGAIN, I HOPE SOMETIME IN THE --

>> YES, MA'AM. >> IN THE FUTURE. >> YES, MA'AM.

AND THE CHIEF CAN STEP UP AND SAY A COUPLE OF WORDS. BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS GOING TO BE A CONTINUING CHALLENGE. AS LONG AS WE HAVE OTHER AGENCIES AROUND US JUMPING UP AND RECRUITING OFFICERS. WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH THAT CHALLENGE EVERY FISCAL YEAR. CHIEF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING WITH THAT REGARD?

>> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON THIS. IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR US.

AND WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WITHIN OUR POWER TO HELP RETAIN OUR OFFICERS WITH DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE ARE STILL, UNFORTUNATELY, THE RECRUITING GROUNDS. BECAUSE THEY'RE SENDING SOME OFFICERS TO US THAT WE ARE HOPING TO GET THAT COMMITMENT FOR. BUT THEY'RE STAYING TWO YEARS OR WHATEVER THE BIGGER AGENCY HAS SAID. AND THEN THEY'RE LEAVING US.

AND THAT'S THE PART THAT IS JUST SO UNFORTUNATE THAT WE STILL REMAIN ONE OF THE LOWER PAID AGENCIES. AND EVEN THE OFFICERS THAT HAVE COMMITTED THEMSELVES TO US.

ONCE THEY WANT HOMES AND FAMILIES, THE TEMPTATION OF GETTING THAT INCREASING PAYOUT WEIGHS THE REMAINING LAW TO THE FORT PIERCE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN OUR CITY.

>> AND I CONTINUE TO READ ABOUT HOW THE SOCIETY IS KIND OF CHANGING AND REALLY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT PAYING TEACHERS MORE AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT CHANGE FOR OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT TOO. SO I HOPE -- AND ALSO, IN HUMAN RESOURCES, WE TALKED ABOUT

RECRUITING TARGETED POSITIONS. DO YOU -- >> YES, MA'AM.

>> WHAT ARE THOSE? WHAT ARE TARGETED POSITIONS? >> IN EVERY DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS BASICALLY ASSESSING THEIR NEEDS ON A RECURRING BASIS.

AS OUR COMMUNITY AND THE CLIMATE CHANGES AROUND US, AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT, AS FAR AS THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMPOSITIONS. WE ARE -- WE ARE IN NEED OF A CHANGING WORK FORCE.

WE MAY NEED TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN POSITIONS TO IDENTIFY A NEED WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE A PERFORMANCE BASED ORGANIZATION. MEANING WE HAVE STRATEGIC PLANS, STRATEGIC GOALS. WE BASE OUR BUDGET ON ACHIEVING THOSE GOALS.

AND WITH THAT, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY CERTAIN POSITIONS TO EITHER RECRUIT OR RETAIN WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. AND SOMETIMES WE MAY HAVE TO CHANGE THE JOB DESCRIPTION, WE MAY HAVE TO BUMP UP A PAY RANGE. AND WE MAY HAVE TO REACH A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WITH ADDITIONAL COMPENSATION TO RETAIN THE EMPLOYEES AND RECRUIT THE EMPLOYEES THAT WE NEED.

SO THAT IS A CONTINUING REVOLVING TYPE OF ASSESSMENT AT EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD HAS TO

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MAKE AND SEVERAL DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE ALREADY IDENTIFIED A TARGETED POSITIONS TO IMPROVE

THEIR OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY. >> MADAM MAYOR? >> YES, SIR.

>> YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN -- WE TALK ABOUT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND WE TALK ABOUT IT UNTIL WE BLUE IN THE FACE. AND MY CONCERN IS WHY HAVEN'T WE, COMMISSIONERS, WHY HAVEN'T WE JUST GONE AND MAKE A DECISION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN RETAIN OUR OFFICE -- I READ SOMEWHERE 40 SOME ODD POLICES HAVE LEFT THIS AGENCY? BECAUSE OF PAY. YOU KNOW, THAT IS SAD. WE CANNOT BE SITTING THERE THINKING THAT WE CAN RETAIN A PERSON WITH TWO YEARS WITH OBLIG OBLIGATED TIME AND THEN TURN AROUND AND, YOU KNOW, DON'T CARE WHETHER HE MAKE IT -- SURVIVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A DECISION.

WE HAVE TO AGREE WITH AND WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH. AND MAKE OUR OFFICERS, YOU KNOW,

PROUD, TO SERVE. >> I'D LIKE TO FIND THAT SUCCESSFUL FORMULA AND FIND THE

FUNDS, YES. >> WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE. THE FUNDS ARE THERE.

WE CAN'T KEEP USING THAT WE DON'T HAVE NO MONEY WE DON'T HAVE NO MONEY.

WE KNOW THE FUNDS ARE THERE. AT LEAST GENTLEMEN KNOWS. HE KNOWS WHERE THE FUNDS ARE.

BECAUSE WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT LINE ITEMS AND, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THINGS WHERE WE GET MONEY WHERE YOU CAN PUT IT IN A LINE ITEM FOR USE FOR, YOU KNOW, UNRESTRICTED AND ALL OF THAT.

BUT LET'S TAKE CARE OF THESE OFFICERS NOW AND GET THAT OVER WITH AND I THINK WE CAN TURN THE

SCITY AROUND JUST BY GETTING THT MONKEY OFF OUR BACK. >> I HAD A QUESTION TOO.

>> YES, SIR. >> ON THAT ISSUE OF RETENTION AND RECRUITING, OUR OFFICERS.

AND I HAD THIS SAME CONVERSATION WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT THE SALARIES ARE A LITTLE MORE LUCRATIVE. BUT EVEN WITH THAT BEING SAID, THEY'RE MORE STABLE AND THEY'RE THERE LONGER BUT MINORITY RECRUITMENT IS A PROBLEM.

AND LET'S FACE IT, IN RECRUITING OFFICERS, FIRST OF ALL, THEY'RE IN TRANSIT.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE RECRUITING THEM. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR THEM BEING ON THE MARKET, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN THEM. SO YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEIR TRACK RECORD IS. TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. AND MONEY IS IMPORTANT.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A VESTED INTEREST, PRIME EXAMPLE, SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF, AFTER GRADUATING FROM COLLEGE, THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE, THERE'S MORE MONEY, BUT I HAD A VESTED INTEREST AT HOME AND THE DEPA FIRE DEPARTMENT IS TAKING A POSITION, WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS TARGETING YOUNG PEOPLE THAT THAT ARE FROM HERE THAT HAVE A VESTED INTEREST THAT ARE GOING TO BE MORE STABLE AND LOYAL TO THEIR COMMUNITY AND LESS LIKELY TO LEAVE BECAUSE OF MONEY. AND I THINK WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT THAT -- LOOKING AT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE GRADUATING FROM HIGH SCHOOL THAT HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE MRPOLIC WORK. IT IS NOT HARD. IT IS ONE OF THOSE TYPE OF JOBS THAT EITHER YOU WANT IT OR YOU DON'T. IT IS NOTHING THAT YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO DO OR ONCE YOU BECOME 18. AND IF WE STARTED CONCENTRATING ON THOSE, AND LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS DOING, THEY'RE NURTURING AND BRINGING THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE UP AND GROOMING THEM AND SETTING THEM UP TO TAKE THE TEST, AND EDUCATING THEM TO BE PREPARED, YOU'LL FIND THAT THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE -- HAVE MORE LOYALTY.

AND THEY WILL STAY HERE. SO INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING OURSELVES OUT THERE AS A DESPERATE DEPARTMENT THAT WE WOULD -- RECRUITING, IT IS AN ONGOING ISSUE.

EVERYBODY IS HAVING A PROBLEM. YEAH, IT IS TRUE ENOUGH. BUT CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME.

SO IF WE CAN JUST START THE CONCENTRATE MORE ON LOOKING AT OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.

THE GUIDANCE DEPARTMENTS OR CAREER CENTER, AND START CONCENTRATING ON LOCAL PEOPLE, I GUARANTEE YOU WE'LL START GETTING MORE RETENTION AND WE'LL START KEEPING OUR OFFICES A LOT LONGER THAN WHAT WE HAVE. BUT LET'S FACE IT. THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE AND AS SOON AS SOMEONE OFFERS THEM TWO OR THREE DOLLARS MORE, THEY'RE

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GOING TO MOVE ON. THAT'S WHAT -- THE TRACK RECORDS IS ESTABLISHED.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO YOU KNOW -- >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, SIR. BUT WE HAVE -- WE ARE DOING THAT.

WE ARE SPONSORING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THE FORT PIERCE AREA.

IN FACT, ONE OF OUR RECRUITERS IS HERE TODAY, AND WE'RE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX.

I DON'T THINK WE ARE DESPERATE. BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR THE QUALIFIED PEOPLE.

AND WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN WITHIN OUR POWER. WE'RE GROOMING THEM.

WE ARE LOOKING EVEN WITH OUR C.S.O.'S, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT QUITE READY TO BE POLICE OFFICERS, WE PUT THEM IN OTHER POSITIONS UNTIL THEY'VE BUILT THE CONFIDENCE TO DO THAT.

SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE SAID AND ARE RECOMMENDING, WE ARE DOING PRESENTLY.

>> OKAY. OKAY. WELL, GOOD.

MA'AM. >> MR. PERRONA. >> YEAH, THANK YOU MAYOR FOR BRINGING THIS UP. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THE EXPERIENCE I HAD FOR LAST YEAR'S BUDGET OR FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, YOU KNOW, EARLY ON THE DIRECTION FROM THIS COMMISSION WAS WE HAD TO FIX THIS, THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE OF BUILDING INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT A LITTLE MORE SECURITY TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE FOLKS LEFT AND RIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE SO FAR AWAY. WE NEED TO NARROW THE GAP THAT MESSAGE CLEAR TO STAFF AND STAFF REACTED TO IT. WE GOT TO THE BUDGET PROCESS WE FOUND THAT WITH ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH, THAT THIS WAS A MAJOR CONSIDERATION WE GOT TO THE FINAL ACCEPTANCE, IS IT ONLY ME OR DID WE FEEL LIKE WHAT THE HECK JUST HAPPENED? WE HAD OFFICERS COMING FORWARD SAYING YOU GUYS FELL SHORT. EVEN OUR CHIEF SPOKE TO THE POINT HOW IT IS GOING TO BE A BIG CHALLENGE FOR THIS YEAR AS WE GO FORWARD.

IN MY MIND, THERE WAS A FAILURE THERE. I DON'T WANT THAT FAILURE TO HAPPEN GOING FORWARD. WE CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT. WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. WE'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT IS REAL.

WE GOT TO KNOW HOW IT IS GOING TO AFFECT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. WE'VE GOT TO FEEL COMFORTABLE ABOUT THIS EARLY ON IN 2020. ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO. WE HAVE TO HAVE A BUY IN BY THE CHIEF. WE HAVE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING AND EDUCATION PROCESS THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE NEXT YEAR PROCESS KNOWING THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST TACKLED THE MAJORITY OF THIS GOING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT FELT THAT WAY BUT I GOT TO END OF THE DAY AND THE FINAL APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET GOING,

WHAT THE HECK JUST HAPPENED. >> YEAH. >> IS EVERYBODY ELSE THE SAME

WAY. >> THEY WERE TELLING US -- >> OKAY.

LET'S NOT DO THAT AGAIN. >> LET'S ADDRESS IT EARLIER. >> LET'S ADDRESS IT EARLIER.

I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT IS A FAILURE OF STAFF. YOU KNOW, WE GIVE STAFF X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS TO DEAL WITH AND SAY DEAL WITH IT. AND THEN WE'RE -- WE CAN'T BE CRITICAL IN THE FACT THAT WHERE EVERYTHING GOT PUT IN SPECIFIC AMOUNTS AND WE'RE OUGHT KIND OF HAPPY THAT WE -- ALL KIND OF HAPPY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE TO RAISE TAXES AND DO ALL OF THESE OTHER TYPE OF THINGS WE ACCOMPLISHED. BUT THE FAILURE THERE WAS THAT I FELT THAT WE HAD MOVED FARTHER, AS FAR AS SECURING AND SUPPORTING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAN WE REALLY DID. AND I DON'T WANT THAT FEELING TO HAPPEN AGAIN.

>> CERTAINLY WE FELT DIFFERENTLY THAN THEY DID. >> YEAH.

WELL, I'M HAPPY TO HEAR THAT FROM THE REST OF THE COMMISSION. >> THE PROOF --

>> WE DO NOT WANT TO FEEL THAT WAY NEXT YEAR. >> THE PROOF THOUGH.

>> I DON'T WANT NO SURPRISES, YEAH, IT WAS DEVASTATING BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE ADDRESSING THAT PROBLEM TOO AS WELL. AND THEN TO HEAR THE OFFICERS, IT SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WAS A SLAP IN THE FACE. BUT DEVASTATING TO SAY THE LEAST BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO AT LEAST ADDRESS A LOT OF THEIR CONCERNS REGARDING MONEY. BUT --

>> AND I THINK THERE ARE STRATEGIES THAT WE CAME UP THAT WERE TRIED AND SOME OF THEM WERE NOT ABLE TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. AND SO IT JUST KIND OF -- I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IT EARLIER AND LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THIS IS -- THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM LONG BEFORE ANYBODY E ELSE -- ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE HAS BEEN SITTING HERE THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM.

I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A PERENNIAL PROBLEM FOR THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE THE BEST ATTEMPT POSSIBLE TO SOLVE IT. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO BE.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT -- I'M SORRY. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NEXT YEAR?

>> WE HAVE TO. >> HA? >> WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IT THIS YEAR. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WE DON'T WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

WE'RE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME DILEMMA WE IN NOW. >> MADAM MAYOR.

>>BERS OF THE CITY OF COMMISSION. THE POLICE CHIEF DID AN EXCELLENT JOB OF RESEARCHING THE ACTUAL FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO GET OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN LINE WITH OUR NEIGHBORING AGENCIES.

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J JOHNA IDENTIFIED THE NECESSARYING FUNDING MECHANISM AND THE BUDGETS WERE PRESENTED TO YOU. THAT WOULD NECESSITY THE RAISING OF THE MILITARY THAT WAS NOT DEC DECIDED.

WE WILL BE HAPPY TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU AGAIN. THE ONLY MECHANISM THAT IS GOING TO GET OUR OFFICERS IN LINE WITH NEIGHBORING AGENCIES IS TO RAISE THE RATE TO --

>> ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CAN ALSO DO THAT TOO. >> THAT IS A SLOWER MECHANISM.

>> THAT IS A SLOWER MECHANISM. >> MA'AM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RAISING THE MILEAGE, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE -- IS TABOO. BUT THE THING IS -- THAT'S WHAT WE -- WHERE WE NEED TO GO.

BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING PROTECTION AND SERVING OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE THESE LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OUT THERE FIGHTING FOR THE SCITY THAT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE BEING OVERWHELMED WITH TAXES. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK SO. I DON'T THINK -- WE HAVEN'T

RAISED TAXES -- COME UP WITH NUMBERS. >> CONSIDER IT DONE.

NEXT FISCAL YEAR AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WE SHALL INCREASE THE BUDGET WITH INCREASED MILLAGE RATE TO ADDRESS THE OFFICERS COMPETITIVE WAGES.

>> MADAM MAYOR, IN ADDITION TO THAT DURING THE BUDGET TALKS WE NEED TO SCRUTINIZE THE LINE ITEMS OF THE BUDGETS TO FIND THOSE FUNDS, WE HAVE TO. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I VOTED AGAINST THE BUDGET THIS YEAR, BECAUSE I FELT LIKE WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB LINE BY LINE. JUST LINE BY LINE FIND IT. IT IS FUNNY HOW YOU JUST STARTED AING TO THE POT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU JUST PAID FOR ANOTHER OFFICER.

ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU JUST PAID FOR ANOTHER HALF OF PERCENT OF -- I KNOW THAT IS HARD TO DO.

JOHNA AND NICK YOU DO A GREAT JOB. YOU HAVE A LOT OF INITIATIVES.

WE GIVE YOU A LOT OF INITIATIVES. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING OF STRATEGIC PLANNING HOW DO WE GET THERE AND FUND THE PROGRAMS AND HOW DO WE REPAVE STREETS.

WE HAVE A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO HELP US WITH THAT. THAT'S NOT THE ONLY MECHANISM.

I KNOW YOUR PULL CAN TUG THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY. YOUR HEART STRINGS GET TUGGED, AND I GET IT. BUT THE MESSAGE IS FAIRLY CLEAR. TAX INCREASES ARE HARD TO TALK ABOUT, I BELIEVE IN MY HEART, THE LINE ITEMS ARE ANOTHER BEGINNING.

THERE ARE TWO FACTORS IT IS ALWAYS A PARALLEL. WHAT IS EXISTING AND WHAT CAN YOU DO TO INCREASE. OR DECREASE. AND WHAT SERVICES DO WE DECREASE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THAT'S ALWAYS A BIG ONE. WHAT ARE THE AMENITIES IN OUR COMMUNITY AND DEFINE THE WORD AMENITY, IS IT CONVENIENT OR IS IT A NEED SO --

>> WE'RE ALL IN COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T WANT TO EXPECT THEM TO HAVE HARD KNOCKS AND A GROWING PAIN WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT ALL OF THAT. AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAY GO -- LINE BY LINE ITEM. ARE YOU SAYING WE'RE FAT CATS? I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK EACH DEPARTMENT TR TRAIL -- TRAIL -- I KNOW I SEEN THAT ON THEIR FACES SOMETIMES WHEN WE MEET AS A AS A COMMISSIONERS PLUS DEPARTMENT HEADS.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF WE GOING TO SIT THERE AND TRAIL THE SERVICES OF THIS COMMUNITY, WE'RE NOT DOING THE JUST TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE HAVE EXCELLENT SERVICES.

I DON'T KNOW OF ONE SERVICE THAT MAYBE SOMEBODY -- WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT.

ONLY IF IT IS, I WANT TO KNOW. SO SO BRING HIM FORWARD TO LET ME KNOW WHAT IT IS.

>> UM, I HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS I WANTED TO BRING OUT ABOUT THIS, THE PLAN.

SPORTS TOURISM, ARE WE CON SENT -- ARE WE THINKING ABOUT THE COMBAT CHALLENGE, ARE WE THINKING ABOUT GOLF? OR MARATHONS? OR ALL OF THAT?

SO -- >> YES, MA'AM. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WHEN IT COMES TO SPORTS TOURISM, WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF THAT NOW, THROUGH THE SPORTS COMMISSION.

HOWEVER, THESE GENTLEMEN COOPERS CHECK AND MIKE REELS ARE MEETING WITH THE SPORTS COMMISSION TO DETERMINE HOW WE CAN INTENSIFY OUR EFFORTS TO BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO ENJOY WHAT

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WE HAVE. OUR TOURISM IS ONE OF THE DRIVING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MECHANISMS THAT THIS AREA DOES HAVE. SO WOULD YOU LIKE THE DIRECTOR

OF PUBLIC WORKS TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT? >> I JUST WANTED TO KNOW -- I

JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING IN THAT LINE. >> ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NATIONAL EVENTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REGIONAL EVENTS.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOCALIZED TYPE OF SITUATIONS WHERE WE CAN GET MORE AND MORE PEOPLE INTO OUR COMMUNITY. DEAN RIGHT NOW, HE HAS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.

BUT ONCE HE FINISHES. AGAIN THAT WORLD CLASS MARINA WILL BE AN EVEN GREATER ATTRACTION FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND MIKE HAS JUMPED OFF OUR RECREATION PROGRAM. WE'VE GOTTEN MARTIAL ARTS, BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL, WE'RE GOING TO DELVE INTO ALL SORTS OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN DIVE INTO WITH SPORTS COMMISSION TO

INTENSIFY THAT EFFORT. >> COMMISSIONER PERRONA. >> THE SPORTS COMMISSION, REALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS, MOST OF THE OUTSIDERS THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A VENUE HAVE IDENTIFIED FORT PIERCE AS THE PERFECT PLACE. WE STARTED OFF WITH A REGIONAL FIREFIGHTER CHALLENGE AND THEN WENT TO A NATIONAL. AND NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE WORLD ONE.

>> THE WORLD. >> AND NOT ONLY THAT, BUT YOU HAVE ALL OF YOUR -- THE KING FISHERMEN AND EVERYBODY ELSE, THIS IS THE PERFECT PLACE FOR THIS TO HAPPEN.

SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT BECAUSE I ALWAYS THINK OF WHAT ONE GUY TOLD ME WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO BRING ONE OF HIS EVENTS TO FORT PIERCE. I SAID, REALLY, WHY FORT PIERCE? BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT MAKES SENSE. IT IS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE THE NATURAL RESOURCES PLUS WHAT WE'VE DONE TO BUILD IT UP TO WHAT IT IS TODAY.

>> AND THE SERVICES THAT WE BUILD -- >> I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY WE'RE DOING WITH THE KING PLANT IS GOING TO HELP WITH THAT. WORKING WITH TREASURE COAST SPORTS COMMISSION. I'M ON ONE OF THE COMMITTEES FOR THE 50 AND THE 100K.

THE SCOOTER SCOOT THAT IS HAPPENING IN DECEMBER. IT IS A LITTLE SMALLER BUT IT IS STARTING TO GROW. THESE ARE ALL THINGS HAPPENING IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IT IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PERFECT PLACE FOR IT TO HAPPEN. >> COMMISSIONER SESSIONS?

>> YOU KNOW I -- WE ARE DOING ALL OF THE RIGHT THINGS IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING PEOPLE HERE.

WE'RE HAVING THESE EVENTS AND ALL EYES ON FORT PIERCE. A LOT OF THE REASONS WHY IS BECAUSE AS YOU POINTED OUT THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND EVENTS HAPPENING AND PULLING PEOPLE HERE. BUT ONE OF THE BIGGEST PROBLEMS WE HAD IN THE PAST IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A SOLID HOUSING STOCK IN TERMS OF HOMES AND RENTAL PROPERTY.

AND PEOPLE WILL COME HERE AND THEY'LL FALL IN LOVE WITH THIS PLACE.

BUT WHEN THEY HAVE TO GO AND LOOK AT THE PLACES THAT THEY'RE GOING TO LIVE IN, THEN THEY RUN AWAY. BUT WITH WHAT IS GOING ON NOW, IN TERMS OF OUR CONSTRUCTIONS, OUR NEW BUILDINGS AND WHAT'S GOING ON, OUR WEST OF TOWN NOW, WITH THESE DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND THEY'RE BUILDING HOMES, RENTAL AND PERMANENT FOR THAT MATTER, I THINK THINGS ARE GOING TO FALL IN PLACE AND THAT'S WHERE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMES IN SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE MONEY IN LIEU OF RAISING TAXES. BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE ANSWER.

I MEAN, WE CAN SIT HERE AND POUTY ALL DAY LONG AND REALIZE THE SERIOUSNESS OF A OFFICER'S LIFE. MY FATHER HE LOST HIS LIFE ALMOST BY WAY OF GETTING SHOT.

I KNOW IT IS A SERIOUS JOB. BUT REST ASSURED PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FROWN ON RAISING TAXES, EVEN WITHSTANDING THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE JOB IN TERMS OF THE OFFICERS.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT LOT RIDICULE. SO I ANSWER ONCE WE GET THEM HERE, WE'VE GOT TO SELL THIS PLACE. NOW THAT WE HAVE THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENTS GOING ON WITH PEOPLE SEEING DECENT HOUSING STOP, I THINK IT IS GOING TO REMEDY ITSELF. SO HOPEFULLY THINGS FALL INTO PLACE.

>> AND ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT, COMMISSIONER IS OUR C.R.A. OUR C.R.A. NOW IS SUSTAINABLE.

AND OUR C.R.A. NOW IS GENERATING REVENUES GREATER THAN OUR EXPENDITURES.

SO IN HAVING THAT SURPLUS NOW WE CAN AFFORD TO HAVE OFFICERS IN OUR SCHOOLS.

WE HAVE AN OFFICER AT SEEM MORE AND AN OFFICER AT DAN MCCARDI MIDDLE SCHOOL.

THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT CAN DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

>> MR. MAYOR -- >> YES, SIR. >> MR. MIMMS, WHEN YOU SPEAK OF THE C.R.A., YOU KNOW THE C.R.A. MAIN PURPOSE IS BLACK IN THE SLUMS. I -- BACK IN THE SLUMS. I CAN UNDERSTAND WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON EVERYTHING ELSE EXCEPT

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FOR BACK IN THE SLUMPS. WE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH PEGGY, SHE'S GOING OUT THERE ON PROPERTY AND THESE PROPERTIES HAVE TO BE PAINTED. YOU UNDERSTAND ME? MAYBE SOME LITTLE FRACTIONS OF WOODWORK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF

THE C.R.A. >> SIR. >> IS FOR BACK IN THE SLUMS. AND IF WE CAN'T -- WE FAIL TO IDENTIFY THE BACK TO SLUM AND THE FACT THAT IT IS BACK TO SLUM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL NEVER BAH GET PAST THAT BARRIER BECAUSE WE JUST THINK THAT OUR CRAP DON'T TH STINK, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S GOT TO BE A CHANGE IN THAT.

YOU KNOW. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T MAKE WITH THE HIGH UTILITY BILL.

AND SOME PEOPLE ON -- I DON'T HAVE TO GO THERE. WE KNOW WHAT IS GOING -- YOU

JUST NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEM. >> OKAY. I THINK I WON'T BRING UP ANY

MORE SUBJECTS. >> HA HA. >> WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

WE HAVE TO TALK -- >> I AGREE. ALL RIGHTY.

I THINK WE'RE DONE WITH THAT. >> OKAY. CITY COMMISSION BOARD AND

[5. City Commission Boards and Committees Updates]

COMMITTEE UPDATES. >> COMMISSIONER PERRONA DO YOU WANT TO START?

>> NO. I DON'T WANT TO START. >> ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON. >> I WROTE A FEW NOTES. COUNCIL, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN REVIEWING AND DISCUSSING THE BYLAWS OF THE COUNCIL, WE VOTED ON THE FINAL DRAFT FINALLY. AND IT HAD BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME.

THE ODD PART OF IT IS IT TALKED ABOUT MEMBERSHIP AND THE BYLAWS WERE TYING MEMBERSHIP.

WHEN YOU HAVE A NEW MEMBER WE REALLY WEREN'T COMPLYING WITH BYLAWS.

SO WE MODIFIED THAT AND MADE IT MORE GENERIC LANGUAGE BUT BETTER LANGUAGE.

ALSO ABOUT THE VOTING, IT GOT A LITTLE GRAY IN THE AREA OF IF SIT S ING AS A MEMBER OF MYSELF, GOING TO MEETING, BRING ANY TO TALK ABOUT AND GO BACK. CAN YOU IMAGINE DOING THAT WITH 12 DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND WOW, WHAT A CONVOLUTED MESS SO WE CLEARED THAT UP. NEW OFFICERS WERE GOING INTO EFFECT TOWARDS THE END OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

>> STEPHANIE MORGAN IS THE CHAIR RIGHT NOW. SO WHO MOVES IN IS?

>> I THINK IT MOVES TO WHO IS NEXT INDIAN RIVER COUNTY THE CHAIR.

SO I THINK PETER O'BRIEN I BELIEVE IS THE VICE RIGHT NOW. NOT SURE IF HE'LL BE NOMINATED BUT THERE'S A NOMINATIG COMMITTEE BUT I BELIEVE WE HAD THAT ROTATION.

MAIN STREET AS YOU KNOW A LOT OF GREAT THINGS HAPPENING. FRIDAY FEST HAS BEEN COME AND GO BECAUSE OF WEATHER. THE BUDGET HAS LOOKED GOOD IN MAIN STREET, THOUGH.

WE'RE HOLDING -- HOLDING STEADY ON A FISCAL PERSPECTIVE. OKTOBERFEST WAS THIS PAST WEEKEND. AND THAT WAS PARTNERS OF -- MEMBERS OF MAIN STREET

WITH MAIN STREET. >> RIGHT. >> WHAT A GREAT -- WHAT A GREAT

WEEKEND. >> COMING UP. >> AND THE GHOST WALK.

AND THAT'S RIGHT. AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO TALK HISTORY AND SCARY STORIES ARE -- NOT REALLY SCARY STORIES. CHRISTMAS PARADE HAS BEEN SET. THAT'S COMING UP DECEMBER THE 8TH, ACTUALLY THE SECOND SUNDAY BECAUSE THE FIRST SUNDAY FALLS ON THANKSGIVING WEEKEND.

ODDLY ENOUGH. >> YEAH. >> SO THAT'S HARD TO SEEN SAY

THAT. >> WEEKEND IN DECEMBER? >> WELL --

>> DECEMBER 1ST. >> SATURDAY IS THE 1ST. >> THE WAY THE CALENDAR WORKS

THIS YEAR, YEAH. >> SO WE HAD TO MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR STUDENTS AND CHILDREN ARE HERE FOR THE PARADE AND THE BANDS AND THE HIGH SCHOOLS. SO THAT'S COMING UP.

OF COURSE AND THEN REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH SOUTH FLORIDA. AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. BRIEFLY.

BECAUSE THERE'S SOME ITEMS OF INTEREST. THAT'S ON OCTOBER 25TH.

IT IS IN WEST PALM BEACH. LET'S SEE. THE LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR HAS BEEN INVITED. I'M NOT SURE IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED YET.

TALKING ABOUT FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM. FLORIDA'S WATER INFRASTRUCTURE UPDATE. WASTEWATER TREATMENT TECHNOLOGY DISCUSSION.

D.EP WILL HAVE SOME UPDATES ABOT WREATHS AND WHATNOT. D.O.T., DISTRICT 4 IS GOING TO BE SPEAKING. AND DISTRICT 6. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE INVITED ALSO. AND THEN THE REGIONAL PASSENGER RAIL UPDATES.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING MEETING ON OCTOBER 25TH.

>> THAT'S A FRIDAY, RIGHT? >> YES. >> ALL I HAVE.

>> COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER. >> WHAT I WANTED TO BRING UP ABOUT IS -- ABOUT TDC, TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, I TELL YOU THEY -- WE WENT IN THAT MEETING AND IT WAS PACKED FROM WALL TO WALL. AND THAT'S THE PEOPLE COMING TO THE MEETING WOULD WANT TO

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EXPRESS THEIR INTEREST IN FORT PIERCE. >> WONDERFUL.

>> I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT THE WORLD FIVERS AND POLICE.

PTHEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SERIOUS. IT IS NOT MEETING IT. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO SET THE DATE FOR IT. SO THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING.

YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT TELLING ANYTHING SECRET. IT IS OUT THERE.

THEY WANT TO BE PART OF FORT PIERCE. AND OUR TOURISTS LOVE IT.

DOWNTOWN, THEY LOVE FORT PIERCE. YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH, AGAIN, WE MAY HAVE A NEGATIVE PART OF FORT PIERCE PEOPLE LOOK OVER THERE, BECAUSE EVERY CITY HAS THE SAME THING.

WE'RE NOT JUST A SPECIAL CITY. BUT WE'RE A BEAUTIFUL. WE'VE GOT THE STRING OF PEARLS, THE BEACHES, THE INLET'S AND ALL OF THAT. PEOPLE TAKE -- THAT'S ALL THEY TALK ABOUT. I'M TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVE HERE BEFORE AND MOVED

AWAY AND COME BACK. >> COME BACK, YEAH. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY GIVE ME IS THE WHOLE CONVERSATION, IN THEIR CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, RIDDEN THE ROADS DOWNTOWN THEY GO ON BEACHES AND THINGS BUT YOU KNOW, TDC, I THINK WE -- I KNOW I'M THERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CITY. BUT I THINK THE CITY NEED TO BE MORE ACTIVE IN WHAT IS GOING O AS FAR AS TOURISTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME TO THIS CITY.

THEY JUST LOVE THE CAUSE WAY. THEY JUST LOVE THE BEACHES. SO WE NEED TO PROMOTE THOSE TH THINGS. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T EVEN TELL PEOPLE YOU GOT THE BEST BEACHES IN THE WORLD. WELL, WHY NOT?

YOU KNOW? THAT'S FOR LIVING DISPROOF. >> CLEAN AND UNCROWDED.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT

I BRING THAT NEWS FROM TDC. >> GOOD. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER SESSIONS. >> WELL, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I GUESS IT IS SLOW.

I MEAN ONE OF THE PARTICULAR THINGS OF THE PARTICULAR BOARD IS WE'RE BACK TO SQUARE ONE AFTER TRYING TO REPLACE A CLERK AFTER SPENDING ALL OF THE MONEY TIME AND EFFORT, WE'RE BACK IN LOOKING FOR A CLERK FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IT GOES BACK TO FINDING SOMEONE WHO IS QUALIFIED. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, YOU HAVE TO FIND PEOPLE WITH A VESTED INTEREST IF THEY'RE ALREADY PART OF THE ORGANIZATION. THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT I'LL HAVE WITH MY FELLOW FIRE DEPARTMENT COMMISSION LATER. BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CLERK, AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED. SUNRISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD THIS IS A BOARD THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A LOT OF NEW MEMBERS. THE NEW MEMBERS ARE VERY ACTIVE AND VERY VOCAL.

I REALLY LIKE THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY COME IN THERE WITH IDEAS AND THINGS ON THEIR MIND. THESE ARE THINGS A LOT OF THEM ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE FAMILIAR.

FORTUNATE THAT'S THE -- THEY KNOW THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING THEATERS.

AND WE HAVE THEM FROM INDIAN RIVER COUNTY TO PORT ST. LUCIE. AND WE'VE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO KNOW TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD THAT ACTUALLY KNOW THE BUSINESS ITSELF.

BUT MY POINT IS THIS. THE OVER ALL PERCEPTION OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD IS THAT WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING UP WITH THE TOWN HALL MEETING IN TERMS OF ADDRESSING THE PERFORMERS AND BEING MORE DIVERSE WITH OUR ACTS. AND A LOT OF FRUSTRATION IS COMING OUT OF -- FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BELIEVE WE'RE JUST HERE, HERE OURSELF REPETITIVELY TALK ABOUT AND COMPLAIN ABOUT THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GET A DIFFERENT RESULT. BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO PUT FORTH NEW EFFORTS. SO I HOPE OUR CITY MANAGER WILL PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT BOARD. YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF SMART PEOPLE OVER THERE.

THEY ARE ENCOURAGED. THEY BELIEVE IN FORT PIERCE, EVEN THOUSE WHO DON'T LIVE IN

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FORT PIERCE. THEY BELIEVE IN FORT PIERCE BECAUSE THEY SEE OUR POTENTIAL.

BUT WHEN THEY SIT THERE FOR TWO HOURS AND WE GO OVER THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER BUT NOTHING IS HAPPENING IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET MORE ACTS THAT ARE A REPLICA OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WHEN WE DO GET THOSE ACTS IN, THEY ARE A SUCCESS. AND THEY SELL A LOT OF BOOZE.

THEY SELL A LOT OF TICKETS. BUT THAT'S JUST A ONE TIME, ONCE A YEAR EVENT.

AND THEN WE GO BACK TO PEOPLE THAT I'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF IN MY LIFETIME COMING AND PERFORMING. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE SITTING OUT IN THE AUDIENCE. SO PLEASE ADDRESS THAT. COME AND VISIT EVERY NOW AND THEN. AND LET'S MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN A CHANGE OVER THERE THAT SUNRISE THEATERS ARE LIKE A THORN TO OUR SIDE. WE HAVE GOT TO START BEING ABLE TO JUSTIFY ITS EXISTENCE. ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF US HAVING IS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RETENTION OF POLICE OFFICERS. SO WE'VE GOT TO TAKE THAT MORE SERIOUS OVER THERE.

AND, AGAIN, IF WE ALLOW THESE INDIVIDUALS TO COME IN THERE, TAKE THEIR TIME, THEY RESEARCH, THEY WANT TO HAVE MEETS ALL OF THE TIME. I MEAN, THEY'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IT. BUT WE NEED TO START PAYING A LITTLE MORE ATTENTION TO THIS ADVISORY BOARD IS WHAT I'M SAYING. AND TRY TO CHANGE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN THAT TOWN HALL MEETING. AND GETTING MORE ACTS IN THERE THERE THAT ARE REPLICA OF THIS COMMUNITY. SO WE CAN MAKE SOME MONEY. AT LEAST JUSTIFY ITS EXISTENCE

IN TERMS OF EXPENSES. BUT PLEASE DO THAT. >> MADAM MAYOR, DO YOU MIND IF I ASK A QUESTION OF THIS BOARD? I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH FOR THE SUMMARIZED THEATER ADVISORY BOARD TO COME BEFORE THIS GROUP TO PROVIDE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS.

IN ADDITION, WE'LL HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF THE SUNRISE THEATER PROVIDE A REPORT AND UPDATE TO YOU ON THE PLAY BILL AND ACTUALLY HER EFFORTS TO INTENSIFY OUR DIVERSITY OF THE OFFERINGS TO THE COMMUNITY. IF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO YOU, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT IN

NOV NOVEMBER. >> THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER PERRONA. >> YES, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

>>> OF COURSE THE RETIREMENT BOARD WE'RE CONSTANTLY GOING THROUGH OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY FIT 2019 AND GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES THEY'RE NOT. ONE OTHER THING, TOO. AND COMMISSIONER SESSIONS I DON'T KNOW IF I GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THE CHIEF A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE I'M CHAIRMAN BUT THERE'S A BIG MOVEMENT TO RAISE THE I.S.O. RATING FOR S ST. LUCIE COUNTY. THAT'S THE INSURANCE SERVICES OFFICE RATING.

AND THAT AFFECTS INSURANCES IN BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

>> EITHER LOWER THE RATING? >> THE LOWER THE RATING. >> THE LOWER THE RATING THE

BETER, OKAY. >> THE COMMERCIAL AT A TWO. THERE'S A BIG EFFORT TO LOWER THAT TO A ONE. WHICH WOULD REALLY BRING A LOT OF GOOD NEWS TO THE COMMERCIAL ASPECTS AND RESIDENTIAL. SO IT IS GOING TO BE EXPENSIVE SO THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENSES ON THAT GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY SOMEWHERE. IT SEEMS LIKE THE THEME ANYTHING I'M INVOLVED WITH ANY MORE IS

WHERE IS THE MONEY. >> JOHN, YOU DON'T SIT ON THAT -- YOU DON'T SIT ON THAT ADMINISTRATION, SO I CAN'T ASK YOU WHERE THE MONEY IS, BUT THERE ARE FOLKS THERE THAT DO THAT. AND IT IS JUST A QUESTION OF BEING ABLE TO BALANCE OFF THE RETURN FOR THE INVESTMENT. WE ALWAYS CONSTANTLY ARE LOOKING FOR WAYS.

AND A LOT OF WHAT THE RATING FOR THE I.S.O. IS IT IS A LOT OF TIME IT IS THE RESPONSE TIME AND THE AVAILABILITY OF RESOURCES. SO THOSE TWO THINGS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT BILLING STATIONS. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT REDESIGNING THE FORMAT OF STATIONS TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND QUICKER, FASTER. AND SO THE INSURANCE COMPANIES THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FASTER YOU RESPOND TO SOMETHING, THE -- YOU KNOW, THE LESSON THE IMPACT OF THE DISASTER. SO THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. SO THAT'S GETTING TO BE A TOP

PRIORITY OF THE FIRE DISTRICT. >> OKAY. THAT'S IT.

SO ON THE SUNRISE THEATERED ADVISORY BOARD, ONE OF THE NEW MEMBERS HAS BEEN ASKING ME TO COME AND I WENT TO THE LAST MEETING. AND THEY HAD TWO -- ALONG THE SAME LINES OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING. THEY'RE CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO HELP THE THEATER. AND ONE IDEA THEY CAME UP WITH WAS A SUGGESTION BOX, WHICH THE

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FOR PROGRAMMING AS WELL AS ANYTHING ELSE IN THE THEATER. AND SO STAFF IS GOING TO BE LOOKING INTO THAT TO SEE IF THAT CAN BE DONE IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU ORDER YOUR TICKETS AND THE REPLY SUGGESTIONS SAY YOU ACTUALLY KNOW OR WHEN YOU ACTUALLY PUT A BOX IN THE LOBBY AND GET INPUT FOR PROGRAMMING. AND ALSO ANOTHER THING THEY ASKED FOR WAS TALKING POINTS THAT THE SUNRISE THEATER ADVISORY BOARD WAS WILLING TO GO OUT AND PROMOTE THE THEATER TO GROUPS LIKE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND CIVIC CLUBS SO PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY WAS WILLING TO BE AN AMBASSADOR SO THEY ASKED STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER SOME TALKING POINTS AND SOME MATE MATERIALS. YOU'RE RIGHT, I AGREE WITH YOU, I NOTICE THEY'RE CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO TRY TO FIND THEIR WAY TO KNOW EXACTLY HOW THEY CAN HELP MAKE THE THEATERS SUCCEED. SO I ENJOY THAT MEETING. FIRST TIME I HAD EVER BEEN.

I'M GLAD I WAS ABLE TO GO. THE TREASURE COAST REGIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES IS HAVING ITS DINNER -- LUNCHEON WEDNESDAY IN IND INDIAN TOWN.

THE NEWEST CITY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. IT IS PART OF THE TREASURE COAST REGION OF LEAGUE OF CITIES AND THE SPEAKER WILL BE A REGIONAL REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE FLORIDA MUNICIPAL INSURANCE TRUST. SO EVERYBODY ON THIS TIE I DON'T CEASE -- DIOCESE IS INVITED TO GO. THE TREASURY BOARD HAD A MEETING FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE APRIL OF 2019. SO WE HAD A LOT OF CATCHING UP TO DO.

AND THE PORT DIRECTOR IS THE STAFF OF THAT, STAN PAYNE. AND SO WE WERE KIND OF BROUGHT UP TO DATE ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THE PORT AND WHAT WASN'T HAPPENING AND WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO. AND TOMORROW IS THE FORT PIERCE UTILITY MEETING AND PETE TESH WILL BE THERE TALKING ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE PARTNERSHIPS WE HAVE WITH FORT PIERCE UTILITIES AND E.D.C. SO THAT'S IT FOR MY REPORT.

[6. COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC Any person who wishes to comment on any subject may be heard at this time. Please limit your comments to three (3) minutes or less, as directed by the Mayor, as this section of the Agenda is limited to thirty minutes. The City Commission will not be able to take any official actions under Comments from the Public. Speakers will address the Mayor, Commissioners, and the Public with respect. Inappropriate language will not be tolerated.]

>> OKAY. NEXT WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.

>> OKAY. NOW IT IS TIME FOR THE PUBLIC. ANYONE CAN COME BEFORE US AND SPEAK. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. AND YOU'LL HAVE WHAT, A FIVE

SECOND WARNING, MS. COX? >> YES, MA'AM. >> FIVE SECOND WARNING.

SO YOU'LL NEED TO WRAP UP THE MINUTE YOU GET YOUR WARNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AS A BODY. AND WITH RESPECT.

PLEASE COME FORWARD AND -- AND YOU WANT THEM TO SIGN IN. >> PLEASE.

>> PLEASE SIGN IN. AND YOUR TIMING WON'T START UNTIL YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND

ADDRESS, SIR. FR >>.

>>> FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS MARIO WILCOX 1655 NORTH 129TH STREET.

FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND BEFORE YOU AND SPEAK TODAY. LIKE I HAVE ALWAYS HAVE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF POINTS. AND I WILL BE ON WITH MY BUSINESS TODAY. I WANTED TO ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENTS.

I NOTICE ON OUR LIVE STREAM THAT THEY NO LONGER SHOW OUR FACES OR ANYTHING THAT THEY BLOTTED OUT OR CENSORED OUT. AND I WAS JUST WONDERING THE REASON FOR IT.

I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T HAVE OPEN DIALOGUE BUT I WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE.

AND IF ANYONE COULD RESPOND TO ME WITH AN ANSWER, EACH OF YOU HAS MY E-MAIL ADDRESS.

AS FAR AS THAT ISSUE GOES. THE SECOND ISSUE IS C.R.A. COMMISSIONER ALEXANDER SAID HE DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE. REALLY HE GOT HIS POINT ACROSS. HOWEVER, I'M GOING TO GO THERE.

$400,000 GOES TO THE SUNRISE THEATER, COULD YOU IMAGINE THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING TO THE NORTHWEST SECTION OF FORT PIERCE? AS FAR AS IDENTIFYING THE BLIGHT AND SLUM AREAS, GO AND GOOGLE SEARCH OR JUST WALK OUT HERE ON THE PROPERTY AND LOOK STRAIGHT DOWN AVENUE D. IT DOESN'T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT A BLIGHT

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AND SLUM AREA. I'M NOT INSULTING NO ONE'S INTELLIGENCE BUT I'M JUST STATING TO GO OUT THERE AND VIEW IT. DRIVE AROUND.

IT HAS BEEN TURNED THE ALPHABETS. WE HAD THE HIGHEST CRIME RATE IN THAT AREA. PSO OBVIOUSLY THAT'SD SLUM AREA. AND IF YOU IMPROVE THAT AREA, IT CAN ALSO IMPROVE THE CRIME IN THAT AREA TOO. THE FINAL THING I WOULD LIKE TO STATE IS ABOUT THE POLICIES. I BELIEVE IN POLICIES, I BELIEVE IN LAWS, I BELIEVE IN REGULATIONS. I ALSO BELIEVE IN A CITIZEN HAVING THE ABILITY OR BEING AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THEIR MIND, WHETHER POSITIVE, NEGATIVE, OR WHATEVER.

BUT I'M NOTICING A PATTERN. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND EACH OF YOU ARE ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS. IF YOU COULD SMILE WHEN YOU ARE GETTING A PAT ON THE BACK YOU SHOULD HAVE THE SAME ENTHUSIASM WHEN SOMEONE IS TAKING PART OF THE GOVERNMENT AND PROVIDE A CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. IF THEY'RE NOT DEGRADING YOU AND THREATENING YOUR LIFE, I MEAN YOU SHOULD WELCOME THAT AND NOT PROHIBIT THEM FROM SPEAKING. THE REASON WHY I'M MAKING THAT POINT IS THE FACT THAT COMMENTS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IT DOESN'T STATE HOW MANY TIMES A CITIZEN CAN SPEAK. I'VE BEEN IN OTHER AREAS WHERE THEY WAS ABLE TO GET BACK UP AND READDRESS WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY. IF THEY WERE GIVEN THREE MINUTES THE FIRST TIME, THEY WERE GIVEN A MINUTE AND A HALF THE SECOND. AND I ASK THAT YOU MAYBE VISIT THAT OPTION.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE, WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. PLEASE COME FORWARD, SIR.

>> THAT'S ME. >> PLEASE. SIGN IN, SIR.

>> INDEED. >> THANK YOU. >> WELCOME BACK, ROD.

>> THANKS. >> HE WAS TALLER THAN I AM. MY NAME IS ROD ROBERTSON.

I LIVE ON ROD ISLE EAST. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO ASK THE COMMISSIONERS. I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THE SUPERMAJORITY. IT MEANT ANOTHER SIDE TO THIS DISCUSSION THAT I HAD NOT REALIZED. BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

AND I CAN OFFER THEM UP. >> SO, NO, SIR, SERGEANT AT ARMS WILL TAKE THEM UP TO THE CLERK

FOR YOU. FR>> AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER NOW, BUT I OFFER UP FOR CONSIDERATION AS WE DISCUSS THIS ISSUE, IF THE SUPERMAJORITY RULE IS APPEALED, WILL IT AFFECT EXISTING ISSUES UNDER CONSIDERATION BY THE CITY COMMISSION? THAT'S ONE QUESTION. THE OTHER IS, IS THE SUPERMAJORITY RULE IS REPEALED AND THE CHANGE DOES NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL A LATER DATE, CAN CURRENTLY HAS ISSUES BEFORE THE COMMISSION, WITHDRAWAL THEIR APPLICATION AND RESUBMIT IT WHEN THE RULES CHANGE? AND AS I SAY THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT PROBABLY NEED A LITTLE MORE

CONSIDERATION ON YOUR PART BEFORE BEING ANSWERED. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THEM TO OUR ATTENTION, THEY WILL NOT BE ANSWERED NOW. THANK YOU, SIR.

ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD: SIGN IN FOR US,

PLEASE, MA'AM. >> I HAVE A COPY, YES. >> OKAY.

>> GOOD MORNING, MA'AM BE -- GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSION AND STAFF.

I'M PAMELA COMMISSIONS 1342D. WE HAVE NOT GOT A CHANCE TO SUBMIT INFORMATION TO EITHER ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS REGARDING OUR ACTIVITIES AND THE PLANS GOING ON IN LINCOLN PARK.

AND I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION WITH THIS OPPORTUNITY.

ON FRIDAY, OCTOBER 18TH, WE WILL HAVE OUR JAZZ ON MORRIS CREEK WITH ANOTHER ONE OF OUR LOCAL BA BANDS. THE GROOVES -- THE SOUND -- THE GROOVE BAND. BUT THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON FRIDAY.

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AND ON NOVEMBER THE 14TH, WE'RE ROLLING OUT OUR NEW MEMBERSHIP CAMPAIGN.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE HELD AT KEN FOLK RESTAURANT. RIGHT AT THE AVENUE ON 25TH AVENUE INN. AND THE PURPOSE OF THAT MEMBERSHIP DRIVE IS TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY MORE AS WELL AS REVAMP OUR MEMBERSHIP IN GETTING THE COMMUNITY MORE INVOLVED IN THE ASPECTS OF LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET AND THESE ACTIVITIES AND THE MISSION AS WLELL AS OUR PROPOSED HISTORIC -- HISTORIC PRESERVATION INITIATIVE. ALSO, IN DECEMBER, WE HAVE OUR FOURTH CHRISTMAS ON MORRIS CREEK INITIATIVE. THAT WAS AN INITIATIVE THAT WAS ADOPTED BY THE BOARD FOUR YEARS AGO THAT WAS TRANSFERRED FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD BEEN PRODUCING THAT EVENT FOR 20 YEARS.

AND LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET TOOK IT OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO AND AS A RESULT OF, THERE'S AN AVERAGE OF ABOUT 700 ATTENDEES, INCLUDING KIDS, PARENTS, ADULTS, VOLUNTEERS, AS WELL AS -- AS WELL AS EN ENTERTAINMENT THAT ATTENDS THIS EVENT.

THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON DECEMBER THE 14TH. ALSO, ON DECEMBER THE 7TH, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE FLAMING KNIGHT MOTORCYCLE CLUB OF FORT PIERCE, THAT'S THE ENTITY THAT WE'VE PARTNERED WITH TO OBTAIN SOME OF THE TOYS THAT ARE GIVEN AWAY AT THE CHRISTMAS ON MORRIS CREEK EVENT. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON DECEMBER THE 7TH THAT'S AT THE CORNER OF 9TH STREET AND ORANGE AVENUE. AND WE WILL PULL A PERMIT WITH THE CITY TO UTILIZE THAT LAND THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY THAT HOUSES THE PROPERTY.

MOTORCYCLE CLUBS FROM AROUND THE STATE COME IN AND SUPPORT THIS INITIATIVE, BRING IN TOYS AS WELL AS GIFTS. AND LAST YEAR WE HANDED OUT ABOUT FIVE BICYCLES, FOUR SCOOTERS, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF OTHER BIG TICKET ITEM GIFTS. SO THAT'S WHAT'S TAKING PLACE IN LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ADDRESS, PLEASE.

>> 2625 U.S. 1. IT IS FUNNY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POLICE RETENTION AND THE ISSUES WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO PARTS TO RETAINING EMPLOYEES.

ONE IS WHAT YOU PAY THEM. AND TWO IS HOW YOU TREAT THEM. AND THE WORK ENVIRONMENT IN WHICH THEY WORK. AND WHEN YOU TALK TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OF THE CITY AND OF BUSI BUSINESSES PAY IS IMPORTANT BUT ALSO WORKING CONDITIONS ARE IMPORTANT. AND WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RAISING TAXES OR THE THOUGHT OF RAISING TAXES, IT IS ALWAYS EASY FOR GOVERNMENT TO RAISE TAXES, TO OVERCOME YOUR OWN INEFF INEFFICIENCIES. I DO AGREE THAT THE BUDGET SHOULD BE LOOKED AT FIRST. SOMETIME BACK I MADE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST, WE HAVE FOUR OFFICERS THAT ARE ON SPECIAL ASSIG ASSIGNMENT.

THEY'RE OFFICERS, THEY'RE RANK AND FILE. THEY'RE NOT -- THEY DON'T HAVE STRIPES OR BARS. AND THOSE FOUR MAKE IN EXCESS OF $100,000 A YEAR.

ONE AT 122,000. AND TWO OF THE FOUR HADN'T MADE AN ARREST IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ISSUED A PARKING TICKET OR A SPEEDING TICKET. SO THERE'S THAT.

THERE WAS ANOTHER THING, WHEN WE'RE SPENDING MONEY WITHIN THE SC CITY, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF LITTLE PROGRAMS AND LITTLE PET PROJECTS THAT Y'ALL HAVE, OUR STAFF HAS, THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. NOW, I RECORDED AN ISSUE THAT HAPPENED LAST MONDAY. I WATCHED A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION BEING SHEPHERD OUT TO THEIR -- OUTPUT IN A POLICE CAR. I WATCHED A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION'S FAMILY BE PUT IN.

I WATCHED A YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER PUTTING -- HOLDING THE DOORS OPEN LIKE HE WAS A VALET AT A STEAK HOUSE. THESE ARE THE REASONS WHY YOU HAVE THE ISSUES YOU HAVE WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN I LOOKED EARLY MORNING SHOOTING SUNDAY LEFT ONE PERSON DEAD AND TWO INJURED POLICE WERE SEEKING PUBLIC'S HELP AT 1100 BLOCK OF AVENUE D. FOURTH FATAL SHOOTING IN FORT PIERCE THIS YEAR.

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I DON'T KNOW WHY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS ABLE TO BE USED BY INDIVIDUALS AS PLFLUNKEYS, THES ARE PROFESSIONAL MEN AND WOMEN THAT TOOK A PLEDGE TO KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE.

NOT DEAL WITH PARANOIA BECAUSE THE BOOING MAN IS GOING TO GET THEM.

YOU'RE RIGHT COMMISSIONER THE CRAP DOES STINK. IT STINKS WE CAN SMELL IT ALL OVER TOWN. AND WE KNOW WHAT CRAP SMELLS LIKE.

SO WHEN Y'ALL USE OUR CITY AS A VALET, AS A DRIVER, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A SERGEANT OF ARMS AND I'M ALL FOR SECURITY, HELL YOU CAN'T GO TO WAL-MART AND BE SAFE ANY MORE, BUT TO ALLOW THE

THING -- AND I'M TALKING TO YOU, MAYOR. >> YEAH, THANK YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE, TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING NO ONE, OUR NEXT ITEM IS ADJOURNMENT. AND SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE PEOPLE IN AUDIENCE TO DO IS TO MOVE OUT INTO THE FOYER AND WE'LL BE TURNING THE LIGHTS OUT ON THE COMMISSION.

AND WE WILL BE MOVING OFF THE DIAS. IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO ANYBODY ON THE DIAS, YOU CAN TALK TO THEM OUT IN THE

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