Aug 04, 2025 City Commission Regular Meeting

>> COMMENTS FOR THE PUBLIC ON THE AGENDA

ITEMS. >> WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

MS. COX WILL GIVE YOU A TEN- SECOND WARNING. CHRIS EINSTEIN. BE HAPPY FOR YOU TO SIT DOWN.

>> CHRIS ION EINSTEIN. TALKING ABOUT MAIN STREET IN GENERAL. THREE WORDS, RETURN ON INVESTMENT. IN MY OPINION THEY SHOULD BOTH BE PRESENTING ON THE SAME NIGHT VERSUS SEPARATELY.

IT DOESN'T SEEM FAIR THAT LINCOLN PARK IS GOING FIRST AGAIN ALLOWING MAIN STREET TO SEE THE OUTCOME AND ADJUST THEIR PRESENTATION.

I BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN THE CITY WAS DRAFTING THE CONTRACTS WITH MAIN STREET IN THE BEGINNING SAYING WE NEED MORE REQUIREMENTS BEFORE WE HAND THEM OUT $50,000 EACH PER YEAR.

THE REQUIREMENTS ARE VERY -- BARELY REQUIRE ANYTHIN.

NOW WE'RE GOING INTO THE THIRD QUARTER AND LOOKS LIKE WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING THEM -- ALLOWING THEM THE NEXT ROUND OF FUNDING.

I HAVEN'T SEEN REALLY ANYTHING -- I'M BRINGING THIS UP IN CASE I'M NOT HERE FOR THE OTHER MAIN STREET. EVEN LINCOLN PARK, WHILE I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH IT, I FEEL LIKE WE KEEP GIVING MONEY OUT WITHOUT REQUIRING ANYTHING FROM THEM. SORRY.

THAT'S MY FAULT.

>> DO YOU WANT TO STOP THE CLOCK? DO YOU WANT TO FINISH?

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>> I -- MY FAULT ON THAT ONE. IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL.

WE NEED MORE RETURN ON INVESTMENT.

CHECK THEIR ANNUAL REPORTS VERSUS THE REPORTS THEY'RE TURNING INTO THE STATE AND WHAT THEY'RE TURNING INTO YOU AND WHAT THEY'RE GIVING US BACK IN RETURN.

WE HAVE THE EMERGENCY ELECTION COMING UP.

WE'RE SCRAMBLING FOR MONEY. WE'RE GIVING THIS MONEY AWAY.

SEEMS LIKE IT'S GOING TO SALARIES AND MORTGAGES, AT LEAST FOR FORT PIERCE. WE CAN DO BETTER.

THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. RICK REED.

>> RICK REED, FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. I RECENTLY SAW ON A NEWSCAST COMMISSIONER BRODERICK -- CITIZENS CAN'T PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE, PAY THEIR RENT AND PROTECT THEIR FAMILY FROM VIOLENT CRIME AND ALL THESE ISSUES FALL OF THIS COUNCIL'S SHOULDERS. IF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE WAS A PRIVATE BUSINESS, THEY WOULD BE BANKRUPT. THE CITIZENS BAIL YOU OUT AGAIN AND AGAIN. THE SPECIAL ELECTION WAS NOT BUDGETED AND THE CITY HAS SERIOUS FINANCIAL SHORT FALLS WHICH INCLUDE BEING ABLE TO PAY OUR POLICE A LIVABLE WAGE. NOW YOU WANT TO GIVE LINDA COX A RAISE. I WENT AND LOOKED AND I GOOGLED THE AVERAGE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME FOR FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA, IS $64,725.

THAT'S $910 A WEEK. $3,943 A MONTH.

MS. COX, IF GIVEN THE MOST RECENT WAGE, SHE WOULD BE MAKING $3,076.92 A WEEK. THAT'S ALMOST AS MUCH AS PEOPLE MAKE IN THIS TOWN A MONTH. THAT'S UNCONSCIONABLE.

THAT'S ALMOST $77 AN HOUR. NOW NOW, IF YOU'RE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR AND YOU CAN GENERATE THAT INCOME, THAT'S FINE.

WHEN YOU LIVE AT THE PUBLIC TROUGH, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU CAN'T PAY THESE POLICE OFFICERS AND THEY'RE BEGGING FOR A LIVABLE WAGE, YOU CAN'T FIX OUR ROADS AND STOP THE CRIME, BUT YOU TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN.

I REMEMBER WHEN THIS MAN WAS HIRED WHAT TWO OF YOU ALL WENT THROUGH TO KEEP HIM OUT OF HERE AND PUT HER IN. INBREEDING AT ITS BEST.

IF THIS PLACE WAS ANYMORE INBRED, IT WOULD BE A SANDWICH.

YOU ALL CAN DO BETTER. I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE NOT TO. YOUR TRACK RECORD RECENTLY SHOWS THERE ARE SEVERAL OF YOU ALL THAT ARE TRYING YOUR DAMNDEST TO DO BETTER.

NOW THE ONLY POSITIVE THING THAT'S BEEN GENERATED BY TAYLOR ÷÷IS A 2-2 VOTE. GOD IS GOOD.

TO GIVE THIS WOMAN A RAISE WHEN THIS CITY IS IN THE DESPAIR IT'S IN IS A SIN BEFORE GOD.

>> MS. ELLA SMITH.

>> ELLA SMITH, CITY OF FORT PIERCE.

I'M HERE ALSO TO SPEAK ON ITEM 11-C. I'M ALSO SPEAKING AS A RETIREE.

THE CITY VOTED HERE A FEW MONTHS BACK TO GIVE EMPLOYEES A RAISE AND THE CITY COMMISSION VOTING THEMSELVES A RAISE, BUT YOU FORGOT ABOUT RETIREES.

RETIREES ARE OUT HERE TOO HAVING TO BUY EVERY DAY MEALS, BREAD, CARE FOR OUR FAMILIES AND WHATEVER. TO SAY NOW THAT YOU CAN FIND MONEY TO GIVE ADDITIONAL SALARY TO AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS ALREADY MAKING A GENEROUS SALARY, I THINK IT'S UNCONSCIONABLE.

SO, WHEN YOU GAVE YOURSELVES A RAISE, YOU SHOULD ALSO HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THE RETIREES WHO HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED AT ALL.

THANK YOU.

>> CHARLES WILSON.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS.

I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO THAT NICE LADY BECAUSE MY PHONE WENT OFF AND I'M TECHNOLOGICALLY CHALLENGED. I THOUGHT IT WAS OFF.

MY SINCEREST APOLOGIES.

>> DID YOU STATE YOUR NAME?

>> CHARLES WILSON. I'M A FORT PIERCE NATIVE.

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I LIVE IN VERO BEACH, FLORIDA. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SPECIAL ELECTION. UNFORTUNATELY AS WE KNOW NOW IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION. THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T HAVE A CHOICE AND NEITHER DO YOU. IT'S IN THE CHARTER.

YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY. THE SPECIAL ELECTION HAS MANY BAD THINGS. ONE THING IS IT DELAYS IMPORTANT DECISION MAKING INCLUDING THE REVIEW OF THE CITY MANAGER, SOUTH BEACH DEVELOPMENT AND LEADERSHIP AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. NOT TO MENTION THE $60,000 WE TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S THE ESTIMATE.

YOU CAN REDUCE THAT $60,000. I HAVE A COUPLE UGGESTIONS.

YOU CAN COMBINE SOME PRECINCTS THAT ARE SMALL.

IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO VOTE.

IT SIMPLY WILL MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT.

ANOTHER IS TO HAVE ONLY ONE EARLY VOTING SITE AND PREFERABLY HAVE ONE IN THE DISTRICT. IF NOT, AT LEAST HAVE IT AT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION OFFICE WHERE THE STAFF IS THERE.

THE EQUIPMENT IS THERE. YOU'LL SPEND THOUSANDS LESS DEPLOYING THE EQUIPMENT TO EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS.

ALSO, YOU CAN HAVE EARLY VOTING AT A MINIMUM OF EIGHT DAYS.

THE STATUTE REQUIRES IF YOU OFFER EARLY VOTING IT'S EIGHT DAYS.

THERE'S SOMETHING YOU PROBABLY DIDN'T THINK OF.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE PAYING A COMMISSIONER FOR FIVE MONTHS.

YOU CAN TAKE $15,000 OFF THE $60,000 YOU'RE NOT PAYING JAMES TAYLOR. BETWEEN THE EFFORTS AND THAT SAVINGS AND THE COST SAVINGS YOU COULD SAVE AS MUCH AS HALF OF THAT $60,000.

I'M GUESSING IT WOULD BE AROUND $30,000 WHEN YOU TAKE OFF THOSE DEDUCTIONS.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, THE MOST UNFORTUNATE THING ABOUT HAVING A SPECIAL ELECTION IS IT RELEASES SUCH UGLINESS.

WE ALREADY HAVE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE SAYING NASTY THINGS, MOST OF THEM UNTRUE AND THERE'S NO ACCOUNTING FOR IT. UNFORTUNATELY WHEN WE TRY AND BRING THIS TOWN BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, THIS KIND OF DIVISION IS ABSOLUTELY THE LAST THING WE NEED. THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE CAMPS NOW TRYING TO FORM THEMSELVES INTO BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH THIS ELECTION.

ONE OF THEM SITTING BEHIND ME HAS ALREADY WRITTEN THINGS THAT WERE ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

SO JUST BE READY AND ALL I ASK -- THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS -- YOU CAN'T TELL PEOPLE TO TELL THE TRUTH, YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM HONEST.

MAKE IT AS SHORT A PERIOD OF TIME AS POSSIBLE.

THE INITIAL ESTIMATE WAS JANUARY 20TH.

I THINK IT WILL BE SHORTER BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE THAT LONG.

MAKE IT FAIR AND I UNDERSTAND THE EMPLOYEES NEED THEIR TIME. JUST MAKE IT AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND NOT SO UGLY. THANK

YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

THAT'S ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'LL MOVE ON.

[A. Lincoln Park Main Street, Inc. program update covering the third quarter of FY2025 (April 1, 2025 to June 30, 2025.)]

>> WE MOVE ON TO LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET PROGRAM UPDATE COVERING THE THIRD QUARTER OF

FY2025. >> MR. CHESS, DO YOU HAVE A LEAD÷÷IN?

>> YES. LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET PROGRAM UPDATE WHICH RUNS FROM APRIL 1, 2025 TO JUNE 30,

2025. >> THANK

YOU, SIR. >> MADAM MAYOR?

>> YES, SIR. >> I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS. IT WAS BEFORE THE RESIDENT SPOKE ON IT. I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS ALSO. I KNOW WHAT PARAMETERS WE PUT IN PLACE FOR BOTH OF THESE MAIN STREETS AND BOTH OF THESE MAIN STREETS AND I'M KIND OF PUZZLED MYSELF WHY WE DIDN'T HAVE BOTH COME AND PRESENT AT THE SAME TIME.

IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING JUST BASED ON MY MEETINGS THAT THE FOUR OF US NOW ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR SPECIFICS ON WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND HOW THERE'S MONEY BEING SPENT.

TO HAVE ONE MAIN STREET PRESENT AND GIVE ANOTHER MAIN STREET A CHANCE TO GO BACK -- NOT SAYING THEY WILL -- IT JUST LOOKS BAD TO ME. I DON'T KNOW -- GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO THIS AND THEY HAVE TO PRESENT, I WOULD PREFER THEY PRESENT THE SAME NIGHT BECAUSE THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS THE SAME ON BOTH GROUPS HOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOT THIS MONEY JUST BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT WE SAID LAST YEAR TO MAKE THEM COME TO THESE MEETINGS TO SHOW US WHAT -- IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MY SEAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS IS WHAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO OR THIS IS WHAT WE DID. I WANT TO SEE HOW IT IS AFFECTING AND BENEFITTING THE RESIDENTS OF FORT PIERCE.

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I THINK WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE IF WE HAVE ONE GO AND NOT THE OTHER ONE GO AND MAKE DECISIONS TONIGHT AND COME BACK DOWN THE ROAD AND MAKE A DECISION THE OTHER WAY.

I THINK IT'S SOME FAIRNESS THERE.

I'M THROWING IT OUT THERE. DON'T KNOW IF -- WHAT WE CAN DO ÷÷AT THIS POINT. THE AGENDA HAS BEEN PUBLISHED.

I WANT TO BRING MY THOUGHTS BEFORE THE PRESENTATION HAPPENS TO THE BOARD.

>> I THINK THAT WHAT HAPPENED THIS TIME IS THE CONTRACTS WERE APPROVED AT DIFFERENT TIMES. THAT MIGHT BE WHY THEY'RE ON A DIFFERENT SCHEDULE. I THINK GOING FORWARD WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AS A COMMISSION.

I, MYSELF, AM NOT BOTHERED BY HAVING THEM DIFFERENT EVENINGS BECAUSE THEY DO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS.

I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO COMPARE THEM.

THAT'S MY OWN PERSONAL VIEW. IF WE WOULD LIKE TO

PROCEED. >> MADAM MAYOR, I AGREE.

HOWEVER, WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMPARED.

IT'S TWO MAIN STREETS ON DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS SO TO SPEAK. THAT'S HOW THE PUBLIC LOOKS AT IT. THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMPARED.

I DON'T WANT ANYTHING ELSE COMING TOWARD US LIKE WE'RE TREATING ONE -- NOT THAT WE WOULD -- BUT WE'RE TREATING ONE DIFFERENT.

I WANT TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF MY COLLEAGUES.

I CAN'T TALK IN THE HALL WAY. THIS IS MY TIME.

I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT.

>> LET'S THINK ABOUT IT. COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> I WOULD CHIME IN ON THAT. COMMISSIONER GAINES, I THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE IDEA AND REQUEST. THE CONTRACT TIMES WERE NOT ALIGNED. THAT'S WHAT CREATED THIS OFFSET OF TIMING FOR REPORTING. HOWEVER, THIS IS THE THIRD QUARTER. WE HAVE A FOURTH QUARTER WE CAN CERTAINLY ALIGN THEM TO REPORT ON THE SAME EVENING.

I THINK THE ADVANTAGE TO THAT IS THAT THE COMMUNITY GETS TO HEAR THE CONSOLIDATED REPORT OF BOTH ORGANIZATIONS IN ONE EVENING INSTEAD OF LOOKING AROUND TO FIND THE FOLLOW- UP MEETING. I THINK IT HAS SOME MERIT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SIMPLIFICATION FOR THE PUBLIC CONSUMPTION. I WOULD ADVOCATE THAT CHANGE FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER. I SEE NO REASON WE CAN'T ALIGN THE FOURTH QUARTER.

>> OKAY. YES, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.

>> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COMMISSIONER STAFF.

I'M WITH LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET. I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU AND THE CITIZENS OF FORT PIERCE OUR THIRD QUARTER REPORT.

SO THIRD QUARTER, APRIL THROUGH JUNE OF 2025, AND SOME OF THE ASPECTS -- ACTUALLY THE VENDOR OF THE HISTORY FESTIVAL WAS IN THE FIRST QUARTER. HOWEVER, THE LINCOLN PARK HISTORIC SURVEY COMMUNITY OUTREACH ENGAGEMENT MEETING WAS TAKING PLACE IN APRIL. I SHOWCASE NEWS LETTERS FOR APRIL THROUGH JUNE. THE BLUE CLARINET OPERATORS THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR THEIR GRANT APPLICATION, AS WELL AS THEIR PAINT THE TOWN AND SIGNAGE.

OUR WEBSITE DEVELOPMENT UPDATE AND MOORE'S CREEK CONCERT WITH THE LEVITT FORT PIERCE.

ONE OF OUR TARGETS WAS HAVE BUSINESS DEVELOPMENTS HAVE THE LISTINGS OF THE BUSINESSES AND OWNERS IN THE LINCOLN PARK DISTRICT AND FOR OUR LISTENING AUDIENCE TO REITERATE, THE ÷÷LINCOLN PARK DISTRICT IS FROM US-1 GOING EAST AND WEST TO 29TH STREET AND AVENUE B TO AVENUE E. 96 BUSINESSES ARE LISTED WITHIN THAT SPECIFIC DISTRICT. WE'VE ALSO WENT OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT TO LIST SOME OF THE OTHER ADJACENT OR CONTRIBUTING BUSINESSES THAT SUPPORT THE LINCOLN PARK AREA, AS WELL AS OUR MAIN THOROFARE WHICH IS 25TH STREET, MARTIN LUTHER KING JR.

BOULEVARD. THIS IS THE INFORMATION WE CAPTURED, THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS, LOCATION OF THE

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BUSINESS, PHONE NUMBER OF THE OWNERS AND OPERATORS, THE POINT OF CONTACT, THE BUSINESS OWNER CONTACT INFORMATION AND THE OWNERS' ADDRESS.

NOW, WE CAN MODIFY THAT BECAUSE I'M AWARE OF, YOU KNOW, PHONE NUMBERS ARE SENSITIVE. SO WHEN WE PUBLISH THIS, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE THAT PUBLISHED WITH THEIR EXACT PHONE NUMBERS BECAUSE ANYONE WANTS TO CONTACT THEM, IT WILL GO TO THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS OR REACH OUT AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS OFFICE AND REACH THE OWNERS AND OPERATORS FROM THAT NATURE. SO THIS IS -- THIS IS THE LAYOUT FOR OUR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT WITH THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

VACANT AND OCCUPIED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES DATABASE IS ONGOING. IT'S PRETTY MASSIVE.

IT'S REWARDING IN TERMS OF NOT JUST THE VACANT, BUT ALSO THE OCCUPIED, BUT THEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT TYPICALLY ARE RESIDENTIAL AND TO BE ABLE TO MORE OR LESS IMMERSE OURSELVES WITH THOSE PARTICULAR STRUCTURES AND BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE OWNERS AND RESIDENTS OF THAT. SO WITHIN THIS DATABASE, WE HAVE A BUSINESS NAME, PROPERTY ADDRESS, EMAIL ADDRESS, PHONE NUMBER, PROPERTY OWNER'S NAME AND ADDRESS AND MAILING ADDRESS. NOW, WE ALSO HAVE THE LAND USE AS WELL AS THE BUILDING OR LOT SIZE, SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE HISTORIC STATUS.

A NUMBER OF OUR PROPERTIES ARE HISTORIC IN NATURE BY VIRTUE OF THE YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION, THE AGE OF THE BUILDING, THE INDIVIDUALS THAT OCCUPIED OR RESIDED IN THAT STRUCTURE AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT TOOK PLACE THERE. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THOSE PROPERTIES. WE ALSO HAVE THE INTERIOR CHARACTERISTICS AS WELL AS THE EXTERIOR CHARACTERISTICS.

WANTED TO KNOW FROM THE COMMISSION WHAT OTHER DETAILED INFORMATION THAT THE CITY WOULD SEE AS BENEFICIAL IN TERMS OF THIS PARTICULAR DATABASE. WE'RE REQUIRED TO PUBLIC IT, BUT, AGAIN, IT'S ONGOING BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY EXTENSIVE. SO WE HAVE NOT YET PUBLISHED IT, BUT WANTED TO PRESENT THE STATUS OF THE DATABASE.

PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR DESIGN.

AS STATED EARLIER, A COUPLE OF OUR BUSINESSES BLUE CLARINET AND CYNTHIA'S ALTERATIONS ARE TWO OF OUR BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES THAT PARTICIPATED, SUBMITTED -- BLUE CLARINET HAS SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION FOR PAINT OUR TOWN AND THE COMMERCIAL FACADE GRANT FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'RE AWAITING OUTCOMES OF THOSE.

CYNTHIA'S ALTERATIONS, WE HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED THIS WEEK. WE HAVE BEEN IN DIALOGUE ABOUT THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE.

NOW, FOR CYNTHIA, THEY'VE PARTICIPATED PREVIOUSLY IN THE COMMERCIAL SIGN GRANT PROGRAM.

WHATEVER HAPPENED IN THE PAST, NOT SURE IT MATERIALIZED.

THIS WOULD BE A LOOK OVER AGAIN AND CONNECT WHAT WAS DONE PREVIOUSLY AND UPDATE THAT BASED ON THE PARTICULAR TIME AS WELL AS WHAT THE BUSINESS WOULD LIKE TO DO. FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, WHAT ÷÷WE HAVE LISTED HERE, LINCOLN ÷÷PARK MAIN STREET JUST COMPLETED THE LINCOLN PARK HISTORIC SURVEY THROUGH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE ADDITION OF HISTORIC RESOURCES.

THE NATURE OF THAT PARTICULAR GRANT WAS TO HAVE A SURVEY OF THE LINCOLN PARK DISTRICT AND THE MAP ILLUSTRATES THE AREA IN WHICH WE HAD TARGETED. THAT IS PARTICULARLY OUR DISTRICT. SO THIS SURVEY WAS TO GATHER, RESEARCH AND IDENTIFY PROPERTIES E OF THEM, LAND USE, WHETHER THEY HAD BEEN DEMOLISHED, RENOVATED, UPDATED AND IDENTIFY THE VARIOUS PROPERTIES AS WHETHER THEY MEET THE HISTORIC CRITERIA. SO TURNED IN AND SUBMITTED THE FINAL PROGRESS REPORT, THE FOURTH QUARTER REPORT TO THE STATE. WE SUBMITTED THE FINALFINAL REPORT THAT CONSULTANTS HAD

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HADDEVELOPED.

IT WAS MASSIVE. IT WAS INTERESTING.

A LOT OF STUFF I KNEW. A LOT OF STUFF I DID NOT KNOW.

WE HAVE A PART TWO TO THAT. WHAT WE HAVE HERE, WHAT TOOK PLACE APRIL 23RD AND 24TH -- APRIL 23RD WAS AN IN- PERSON MEETING, AN ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY TO EXPLORE WHAT HAD BEEN DEVELOPED AT THAT POINT, WHAT HAD BEEN RESEARCHED, WHAT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED. ON APRIL 24TH IT WAS VIA ZOOM.

WHAT THE CONSULTANTS DID IS HAD TEN STATIONS SET UP THAT IDENTIFIED VARIOUS STRUCTURES.

THE COMMUNITY CAME IN AND TALKED ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES IN THOSE DIFFERENT STRUCTURES, WHAT IT WAS IN 1961, WHAT HAPPENED AND THE PEOPLE.

THAT WAS INFORMATION THAT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN GATHERED WHEN YOU'RE ON THE GROUND JUST TAKING PICTURES, TAKING MAPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT WAS VERY REWARDING AND THE CITIZENS ENJOYED IT. SO DID THE CONSULTANTS BECAUSE THEY LEARNED A LOT MORE THAN THEY EVER WOULD HAVE WITH JUST DOING THE RESEARCH, WHICH WAS GREAT. DOING THE RESEARCH, GATHERING THE INFORMATION -- TALKING FACE-TO- FACE WITH A THIRD GENERATION BUSINESS OWNER THAT STILL RESIDES IN THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING AND TALKING ABOUT THE HISTORY AND THE USE BEFORE THAT TOOK PLACE.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COMPLETED AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

FOR PROMOTION OUR MARKETING EVENTS, FIRST EVENT WAS --

>> I'M SORRY, MA'AM. CAN YOU GO BACK?

>> THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME.

>> AS SOMEONE WHO GREW UP IN THIS AREA AND KNOWS THE HISTORY OF SOME OF THE HOUSES AND SOME OF THE BUILDINGS THAT WE PASS EVERY DAY AND SOME OF THE CHURCHES THAT HAVE BEEN ON THESE PROPERTIES FOR OVER 100 YEARS, TWO QUESTIONS.

WILL THIS STUDY ALLOW SOME OF THOSE CHURCHES OR SOME OF THOSE OLDER PROPERTIES TO EITHER APPLY OR TRY TO GET SOME TYPE OF HISTORIC DESTINATION?

>> YES. THAT'S WHAT THE OFFICE OF THE --

>> YES. I WANT EVERYONE TO HEAR THAT.

ONE OF THE ISSUES -- I SEE THE BUILDING DIRECTOR HERE.

ONE OF THE ISSUES I HOPE THIS STUDY DOES -- SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS, SOME RECORDS EITHER GOT LOST, THEN THEY COME BACK IN THE '70S OR '80S AND BY LAW WE HAVE TO GO FROM WHAT WE HAVE.

>> I HOPE YOU CAN -- WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS, YOU CAN FIND SOME OF THE RECORDS OR HAVE SOME OF OUR PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHERE THE RECORDS ARE GO BACK AND LOOK UNDER THE MATTRESSES -- I'M JUST BEING HONEST WITH YOU MADAM MAYOR -- SO WE CAN GET THE REAL DATES OF HOW LONG THESE BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN THERE.

IF YOU COULD GET THAT INFORMATION TO US, THAT WOULD BE VITAL.

PEOPLE EVERY DAY DRIVE BY SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES AND CHURCHES AND THEY MIGHT SEE NEW PAINT ON IT, BUT THE ORIGINAL BUILDING IS STILL THERE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 100 SOME YEARS.

WITH YOUR INPUT GOING INTO THIS AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THE HIGHWAY MUSEUM IN THIS AREA, IT FITS IN TO SHOW HOW VALUABLE THE LINCOLN PARK AREA IS TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE BECAUSE THEY'RE HISTORICAL BUILDINGS THERE. I WANTED TO STOP YOU THERE TO ADD THAT AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS LEADING TO, HISTORICAL DESTINATIONS ON SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT YOU AND I BOTH KNOW WERE THERE WHEN OUR GRANDPARENTS WERE THERE AND THEIR PARENTS BUILT

IT. >> SURE.

THE SURVEY IS THE PRECURSOR TO HISTORICAL DESIGNATION.

THAT WAS THE BASIS OF THIS. TO YOUR QUESTION, YES, THERE'S A LOT OF DATA THAT HAS BEEN RECOVERED OR HAS BEEN PRESENTED THAT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE PRE- 1970 DATES. SO WE HAVE THIS INFORMATION AND THE CONSULTANTS WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THAT.

OH, WE GOT THIS INFORMATION. SO YES.

>> IF ANYONE'S LISTENING TO THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW AND THEY HAVE THIS INFORMATION, BECAUSE

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THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT OR THEY MISSED IT, IT HAPPENS AND THEY HAVE THIS INFORMATION, HOW DO THEY CONTACT -- WHO DO THEY CONTACT TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO YOU OR TO WHOEVER IS DOING THIS STUDY? BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THIS EFFORT, IF WE GOT THE BALL ROLLING -- I DON'T WANT THIS EFFORT TO STOP BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF OUR SENIOR CITIZENS THAT KNOW THIS INFORMATION ARE SLOWLY

LEAVING. >>

ABSOLUTELY. >> THEY'RE SLOWLY LEAVING.

>> I KNOW HE'S GOING TO KILL ME, BUT I HOPE YOU PICKED SAMUEL GAINES' HEAD FOR SOME OF THIS INFORMATION. IF HE DOESN'T HAVE IT, THE INFORMATION HAS TO BE THERE GET THE OLD RECORDS AND TALKTALK OLDER PASTORS WHO ARE STILL HERE. MIGHT NOT BE PASTORING AT THE PULPIT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY KNOW THE HISTORY. IF YOU'RE LISTENING TO ME, GET HER THE INFORMATION BECAUSE WE NEED IT TO USE

IT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

THEY CAN GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND -- HISTORICLPMS. ORG AND SEND IN A REQUEST TO CONTACT US. WHEN THEY CONTACT US, THEY CAN PUT IN THE MEMO, YOU KNOW, HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE HISTORY OF LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY. THEY CAN EMAIL US AT LINCOLNPARKMAINSTREET@LIVE.COM AND SEND IN THAT SAME MEMO LINE, THAT THEY HAVE INFORMATION ON HISTORY LINCOLN PARK OR THE AREA. OR THEY CAN -- YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO PUT OUT MY PHONE NUMBER.

>> DON'T DO THAT. LET ME SUGGEST THIS, THE PEOPLE YOU AND I ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE NOT GOING ON A WEBSITE.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THEY'RE NOT GOING ON EMAIL.

>> I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. DO YOU HAVE SOMEWHERE THEY CAN MEET OR DROP IT OFF?

>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM MEETING THEM.

I'LL GO SIT IN THEIR LIVING ROOM OR ON THE FRONT PORCH AS I HAVE MANY TIMES.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. WE'LL DISPATCH WHEREVER THEY MAY BE TO COLLECT THIS INFORMATION.

>> IF THEY CONTACT ME, I CAN CONTACT YOU TO SET IT UP TO GET THE INFORMATION?

>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

>> THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. THAT WAS ON HISTORIC PRESERVATION. MARKETING AND PROMOTION, IN MAY OF THIS YEAR LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET PARTNERED WITH THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY CULTURAL ALLIANCE. THAT FIRST CONCERT WAS MAY 10TH AT THE MOORE'S CREEK LOCATION WHERE WE ALSO PRODUCED JAZZ ON MOORE'S CREEK AND APPRECIATION OF AFRICAN AMERICAN BLACK MUSIC MONTH IN THE MONTH OF JUNE.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN TERMS OF RADIO ADVERTISEMENT, FACEBOOK ADVERTISEMENT, DIRECT EMAIL CAMPAIGN AND SOME PUBLISHED POSTERS.

THAT'S HOW WE PRESENTED THE INFORMATION TO THE LISTENING AUDIENCE AS WELL AS TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS SOME OF OUR SOCIAL MEDIA DATA SHEETS BASED ON SOME OF THOSE ADVERTISING. THE VIEWS INCREASED -- WHEN I SAW THAT NUMBER, I WAS LIKE OKAY, 3,991% IN THE LAST THREE DAYS. THAT WAS TAKEN IN JULY WHEN I WAS DEVELOPING THIS PRESENTATION TO GRAB OUR DATA.

SO THIS IS JUST ILLUSTRATIONS OF WHAT SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE'RE DOING THIS ALONG WITH PURCHASING RADIO ADVERTISEMENT AND WE PURCHASED FACEBOOK MARKETING ADVERTISEMENT. THIS IS A LISTING OF THE 90 DAYS WHERE IT SHOWS PUBLICATION AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE FORT PIERCE AND LINCOLN PARK COMMUNITY, WHAT THE LINCOLN PARK NEIGHBORHOOD INFORMATION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THAT HAD 2.

2 -- THE REACH AND THAT WAS ONE OF OUR PURCHASES AS WELL AS THE RETURN OF JAZZ ON MOORE'S

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CREEK IN JUNE. HERE IS JUST SOME OF THE CONTENT OVERVIEW. IT JUST SHOWS, YOU KNOW, THE VARIATIONS OF THE PUBLISHED CONTENT, FACEBOOK REACH AND THE INTERACTION OF OUR CONTENT THROUGH A PERIOD OF TIME. WHEN WE GET TO BRANDING -- THAT'S STILL UNDER OUR PROMOTIONS DID YOU KNOW UNDER MARKETING, TWO OF OUR TARGETS WERE TO HAVE TESTIMONIALS FROM -- AS WELL AS A SHORT SURVEY.

AGAIN, WE CAN MODIFY THE SURVEY. COMING OFF THE -- COMING OUT OF THE BLOCKS WITH OUR FIRST ONE, WE JUST KIND OF PUT INFORMATION PERTAINING TO -- FOR THE SURVEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ZIP CODE AREA THEY RESIDED IN AND WHAT AGE GROUP BECAUSE WITH VARIOUS PROJECTS OR VARIOUS INITIATIVES THERE ARE VARYING AGE GROUPS.

THEN WHAT IS THE GENDER AND DO THEY LIVE IN LINCOLN PARK? DO THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES A PART OF LINCOLN PARK? HOW OFTEN DO THEY PARTICIPATE -- IN PARTICULAR BECAUSE JAZZ ON MOORE'S CREEK IS A POPULAR INITIATIVE HOW OFTEN DO THEY PARTICIPATE THERE AS WELL AS WHAT DO THEY KNOW ABOUT LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET? DO THEY KNOW WHAT LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET DOES? THIS WAS THE LAYOUT FOR THE SURVEY.

THE TESTIMONIALS WERE TAKEN AT JAZZ ON MOORE'S CREEK. IT HAD VARIOUS TESTIMONIALS ABOUT -- THEY THOUGHT IT WAS FANTASTIC AND, YOU KNOW, MAIN STREET HELPED KEEP OUR HISTORY ALIVE, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH BUSINESSES, THE MUSEUM HELPED THEM.

WHAT WE IMPLEMENTED WAS THE LINCOLN PARK BLACK ARCHIVES MUSEUM, WE HAD A POP- UP ON THE JAZZ ON MOORE'S CREEK EVENT.

WE BROUGHT OUT SELECT ITEMS. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF MARKETING BOARDS. WE HAD THAT DISPLAY ON JAZZ ON MOORE'S CREEK. THAT'S ANOTHER ELEMENT FOLKS CAN LEARN ABOUT, NOT ONLY LINCOLN PARK, BUT THE VARIOUS HISTORY. WHEN THEY'RE CAPTIVATED, THAT MEANS THE COURT'S SCHOOL AND WHAT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING IS WE'RE DOING A STORY ON THE ROSENWALL BUILDING. WE HAVE THE IMAGE THAT WAS JUST PRESENTED AT OUR FLORIDA MAIN STREET ANNUAL CONFERENCE. I WAS, LIKE, YEAH.

JUST TO HAVE THAT HISTORY THAT FOLKS MAY KNOW OR MAY NOT KNOW AND TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH SOME PRODUCTS THAT WERE CREATED BACK IN 1940, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING SOME OF THOSE ARTIFACTS. THAT'S BEEN VERY POPULAR.

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND WHAT WE UTILIZED IN TERMS OF OUR BRANDING.

AGAIN, THE LINCOLN PARK SHOWCASE.

NOW ONE OF THE FORT PIERCE NATIVES IS VERY POPULAR.

HIS RESTAURANT MR. D'S FRIED CHICKEN, HE'S THE POSTER CHILD FOR MISSISSIPPI TOURISM AND HE'S A NATIVE OF FORT PIERCE AND OF COURSE WE WANTED TO FEATURE THAT. OUR ORGANIZATION PARTNERSHIP, SINCE THE THIRD QUARTER WE'VE STARTED WORKING WITH MOORE'S CREEK TO ASSIST WITH IDENTIFYING AND THE STRATEGY FOR DEVELOPING THESE HOMES, AS WELL AS -- AS WELL AS IDENTIFYING TENANTS OR POTENTIAL BUYERS.

WE'VE DEVELOPED A CAMPAIGN AND, YOU KNOW, FOR THE FORDABLE HOUSING FOR OWNERSHIP AND THE DISTRICTWIDE APPROACH. THAT'S WE'VE BEEN DOING IN TERMS OF PARTNERSHIPS. THIS IS THE LAYOUT OF THE 15 LOTS THAT ORIGINALLY AT MOORE'S CREEK II. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE FOUR HOUSES ILLUSTRATED BY THE X THATTHAT HAVE CONSTRUCTED.

OUR VOLUNTEER ENGAGEMENT FOR THE QUARTER -- WE HAD 110

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HOURS BASED ON THE FOUR DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. SORRY, THAT'S MY PHONE WITH THE NOTICE.

>> YOU DIDN'T TURN YOUR PHONE OFF.

>> IT'S OFF, BUT I DIDN'T DO --

>> IT'S REMINDING YOU TO DO

SOMETHING. >> IT'S THE NOTIFICATION.

THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE FOR VOLUNTEER ENGAGEMENT.

OUR RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, THE LOAN -- NOT LOAN -- GRANT APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED FOR THE FOURTH QUARTER, DEPARTMENT OF STATE, DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES, ARTS AND CULTURE, THE JOHN TEMPLETON FOUNDATION AND THE COUNCIL AND LIBRARY RESOURCES. WITH ARTS AND CULTURE, THAT'S DEALING WITH PROGRAMMING.

>> THIS OFFICER IS GOING TO HELP YOU OUT, HELP US ALL OUT HERE.

>> SORRY ABOUT THAT. NEXT WE'LL HAVE OUR -- THAT MAY BE IT.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF

SUGGESTIONS. >> MA'AM?

>> YOUR SURVEY OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, YOU CAN GET SOME HELP FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE.

>> MUCH OF THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AND ALSO THEY CAN PRODUCE IT BASED ON YOUR PARAMETERS I THINK.

THE STREETS -- THEY CAN PRODUCE

AUTOMATICALLY. >> YES.

>> THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU TRY BECAUSE THAT'S A GOOD START.

IF YOU GO ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S -- ON THE BUILDINGS, THE SECOND TAB, IT SAYS HOW OLD THE BUILDINGS ARE. I'M NOT SURE THAT THOSE -- I THINK MANY OF THE BUILDINGS ARE OLDER THAN THAT.

WELL, I KNOW THEY ARE. I KNOW THEY ARE.

WHAT HAPPENS I THINK IS, WHENEVER THEY WENT IN -- THEY STARTED AT SOMEPLACE. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS HAVE THE OLDEST DATES CORRECTLY. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT AT THE ST. LUCIE COUNTY HISTORY CENTER ALL THE OLD LINCOLN PARK ACADEMY YEARBOOKS HAVE BEEN SCANNED.

>> BEAUTIFUL.

>> I KNOW WHO YOU CAN CONTACT. THAT SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION I WOULD

THINK. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> MOST OF THOSE SUPPLIED BY MR. EARL TO SOMEONE I KNOW WHO DID ALL THE SCANNING. IT'S ALL BEEN SCANNED.

I KNOW THE GENEALOGY SOCIETY WITH THE GRACIOUSNESS OF SANDY GAINES ALLOWED US TO PHOTOGRAPH THE FUNERAL BOOKS AT THE STONE BROTHERS FROM THE BEGINNING AND THEY'VE BEEN INDEXED. THAT GIVES AN INSIGHT ON THE LOCAL FAMILIES. I ALSO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IS IN THE PROCESS OF INDEXING THE OLD CAREER

NEAR. >> THE OLD CHRONICLE?

>> YES, CHRONICLE. I SAID CAREER.

THANK YOU. YOU HAVE SOME RESOURCES YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW ABOUT. THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO BUILD YOUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION AND YOUR SENSE OF HISTORY.

I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THERE'S A REAL INTERES IN LOCAL HISTORY AND LOCAL HISTORY AND SOMEONE ELSE WHO HAD GONE TO THE MAIN STREET MEETING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE VALUE OF HISTORIC VALUATION. THERE'S AN ECONOMIC VALUE OF

THAT. >> YES, IT IS.

>> SO I'M GLAD THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT KIND OF THING.

I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

PEOPLE ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN IT, WANT TO DO IT, WANT PART OF IT. THOSE ARE JUST SOME --

>> NUGGETS.

>> YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME MAYBE LATER AND I CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO ACCESS

THAT. >> I SURE WILL.

I WOULD NEED THE 1958 -- THERE'S TWO YEARBOOKS WE'RE MISSING FROM OUR COLLECTION.

THEY'RE FROM THE '50S. WE EVEN HAVE SOME OF THE NEWSLETTERS FROM 1935, 1938.

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>> OH, REALLY?

>> YES, MA'AM. I'LL DEFINITELY REACH

>> WONDERFUL.

OUT. >> I USED TO LOVE TO GO TO THE LINCOLN PARK ACADEMY REUNIONS. QUESTIONS?

>> I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

WHAT IS GOING ON NOW IN THE LINCOLN PARK AREA IS THAT OUR KIDS DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING BUSSED OUT TO GO TO SCHOOLS IN COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE OF THE LINCOLN PARK AREA.

THEY WALK BY THESE BUILDINGS AND THEY WALK BY AND THEY JUST DON'T -- THEY DON'T KNOW. WHEN I WAS A KID, THEY HAD SOMETHING IN OUR COMMUNITY CALLED THE BLACK

ARTS FESTIVAL. >> YES, 1984.

>> IT WAS MORE THAN ONE YEAR.

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE HAD TO GO AND WE HAD TO PARTICIPATE AND LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT SOMETHING IN THAT COMMUNITY. THAT WAS PART OF THE TEACHING BACK THEN OR THE SUNDAY SCHOOL BECAUSE, I MEAN, BACK THEN YOU WENT TO SCHOOL SIX DAYS A WEEK.

EVERYBODY WENT TO SUNDAY SCHOOL. THAT'S JUST HOW IT WAS.

I LOVE THIS. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THE EVENTS DONE WITH THE YOUTH.

>> BECAUSE IF THEY KNOW ABOUT IT, THEY'LL

COME. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> AS A COACH YOU LISTEN TO SOMEONE CLOSER TO THEIR AGE THAN THEY DO US. WE'RE JUST TALKING TO THEM.

WE'RE JUST TALKING OVER THEM. IF YOU GET SOMEONE CLOSER TO THEIR AGE TO START TALKING ABOUT THIS AND PUT ON STUFF FOR THEM, YOU GET THAT INTEREST AND SPARK THEIR INTEREST AND WE GO THERE. I'M, AGAIN, I -- I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE SURVEY YOU DID AS FAR AS THE HISTORY BECAUSE I SEE IT EVERY DAY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVE BY MEANS COURT EVERY DAY AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW IMPORTANT THAT ONE LITTLE BUILDING WAS TO THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AND THE RESIDENTS OF LINCOLN PARK.

THEY HAVE NO IDEA. A LOT OF KIDS, WHEN I TELL THEM ABOUT THE LINCOLN PARK GREYHOUNDS, THEY LOOK AT ME LIKE -- LINCOLN PARK NEVER HAD FOOTBALL. LINCOLN PARK HAD FOOTBALL. THERE WERE BIG GAMES AND RIVALRIES AND A HISTORY HERE. THEY JUST DON'T KNOW.

THE MORE WE CAN SHOW THE KIDS AND NOT JUST -- EXCUSE ME -- NOT JUST THE KIDS IN THE LINCOLN PARK AREA, BUT THE KIDS IN FORT PIERCE BECAUSE UNTIL WE GET THIS ONE FORT PIERCE FROM UP HERE INTO THE COMMUNITY, IT'S NEVER GOING TO MATTER.

I SAY THIS UNTIL I GET OUT OF THIS SEAT.

WHATEVER HAPPENS IN DISTRICT 1 AFFECTS DISTRICT 2.

WHATEVER HAPPENS IN DISTRICT 2 AFFECTS DISTRICT 1.

FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET IT, WHATEVER HAPPENS IN DISTRICT 1 AND 2 AFFECT ST. LUCIE COUNTY.

UNTIL WE COME TOGETHER AND SAY WE'RE FORT PIERCE, WE'RE ST.

LUCIE COUNTY THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. YOU SAID 1958 AND --

>> 1958 AND 1952. I HAVE ACCESS TO ONE OF THE LONG- TIME MEMBERS OR STAFF AT LINCOLN PARK.

SHE LIVED DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU.

SHE SAID, I HAVE THEM AND SHE GAVE ME THE ONES WE DID NOT HAVE. SHE SAID, YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THEM, AND WE DO. WE STILL LIKE TO HAVE OUR OWN

COLLECTION. >> I WOULD ASK AROUND TO THE PEOPLE I KNOW THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT BEHIND.

YEAH, OKAY.

>> AND TALKING ABOUT THE YOUTH, THE LINCOLN PARK BLACK ARCHIVES IS GOING TO PARTNERSHIP -- WELL, WHEN WE INITIALLY ATTEMPTED TO LAUNCH IN 2022 AND 2023. HOWEVER, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WE WERE IN PARTNERSHIP SO THAT FIELD TRIPS CAN BE TAKEN TO THE LINCOLN PARK BLACK ARCHIVES WITH THE DISPLAY OF THE YEARBOOKS, THE VARIOUS HISTORY OF THE AREA AND THEN WE HAVE THE ORAL HISTORY WITH THE

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TELEVISIONS AND THOSE RECORDINGS OF THE INDIVIDUALS. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW -- WE HAVE THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE ONCE -- AVAILABLE WITH THAT. JUST SO THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY KNOW IT'S DISPLAYED -- ON DISPLAY AND IN MEANS COURT.÷÷IT'S SO BE FITTING BECAUSE A 1965 GRADUATE ASKED WHERE COULD THEY GET THAT KIND OF INFORMATION.

WHEN WE COME ONLINE, THAT'S GOING TO BE NOT ONLY LINCOLN PARK, CITY OF FORT PIERCE, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE A HERITAGE TOURISM TYPE OF ATTRACTION AND TO BE AROUND THE CORNER FROM THE HIGHWAY MUSEUM. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT

THAT. >> TO MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES UP HERE, JUST UNDERSTAND THIS, WE STARTED THE BALL ROLLING WITH THE HIGHWAY MUSEUM. WE HAVE THE HURSTON HOUSES IN THE AREA. WE HAVE BUILDINGS THAT WE CAN DO HISTORIC. I FINALLY MADE CONTACT WITH THE DIRECTORS OF THE LINCOLN THEATER TO GET THAT UP AND RUNNING. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO CAPITALIZE ON HISTORY AVENUE, HISTORIC AREA WHEN WE START MARKETING VISIT THE HIGHWAY MUSEUM, COME SEE THE LINCOLN THEATER. IT'S A MARKETING TOOL THAT WE CAN USE TO OUR BENEFIT. YOU GO TO -- EVERY TIME YOU GO TO CITIES, YOU TRY TO SEE THE HISTORICAL STUFF.

I KNOW I DO. I ACTUALLY GOT IN TROUBLE THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU SEE A SIGN THAT'S A HISTORICAL MARKER.

I WAS STOPPING AND I GOT THE EVIL LOOK AND DIDN'T STOP ANYMORE.

I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE MARKER SAID.

PEOPLE DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY TO MY COLLEAGUES.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO TRANSITION TO SOMETHING ELSE BRIEFLY. COMMISSIONER GAINES, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. HISTORICAL SITES IN AND AROUND THE MUSEUM, HOUSES, ET CETERA, I THINK THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO ACQUIRE THESE SITES.

IF NOT, LEFT TO THEIR OWN ACTIVITIES, THEY COULD DI LAP DATE QUICKLY. THE OLDER BUILDINGS ARE DIFFICULT TO MAINTAIN. THAT'S SOMETHING, IF YOU HAVE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THAT, WE SHOULD DISCUSS THAT AT OUR UPCOMING DAY MEETING TO SEE WHAT INITIATIVES WE CAN PUT INTO PLACE TO MAKE THAT A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.

THANK YOU FOR GATHERING THE INFORMATION.

ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION. I'M GOING TO SHIFT COMPLETELY HERE. OAKS AT MOORE'S CREEK, THAT HAS HAD ITS CHALLENGES. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION PERTAINING TO -- YOU SAID YOU'RE TRYING TO ASSIST WITH MARKETING AND DRIVE BUYERS AND RENTERS TO THOSE SITE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THOSE ARE ONLY FOR SALE. IT'S NOT A RENTAL COMMUNITY.

WHAT RESPONSES ARE YOU GETTING TO THAT? THE REPORTS WE'RE GETTING, 4 UNITS OUT OF 15 HAVE SOLD. WHAT IS, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT WOULDN'T SEEM TO BE -- I GUESS IT WOULD BE A STRETCH TO CALL IT A SUCCESS. WHAT ARE YOU SEEING AS FAR AS FROM THE MARKETING EFFORTS TO DRIVE POTENTIAL BUYERS TO THEIR SITES? WHAT DO YOU CONSIDER TO BE THE OBSTACLES?

>> WELL, COMMISSIONER BRODERICK, MAIN STREET WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER AND THE REALTOR TO REDESIGN THE FLYER AND TARGET THE FIRST RESPONDERS BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO FIRST RESPONDERS THAT HAVE PURCHASED AND OCCUPYING TWO OF THE HOMES THERE, AS WELL AS TEACHERS IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THAT WAS A REACH THAT HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN APPROACHED BY THE DEVELOPER.

SO WE'RE IN TALKS WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO REACH

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THOSE NEW TEACHERS AND EVEN THE -- YOU KNOW, FIVE- YEAR TEACHERS AND SOME MORE MATURE TEACHERS OR OLDER TEACHERS SIMPLY BECAUSE, WHEN WE CHANGED THE LAYOUT OF THE FLYER, WE TALKED ABOUT THE HIGHWAY MUSEUM. WE HAD TO HIGHLIGHT THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF LINCOLN PARK.

THE SOON OPENING HIGHWAY MUSEUM IS AROUND THE CORNER.

THE HISTORIC LINCOLN THEATER AND THE -- YOU KNOW, THE DISTRICT AND WHAT IT ENTAILS. SO WE PACKAGED THAT ALONG WITH THEIR LETTER TO REACH PERSPECTIVE BUYERS AND WE'RE PROPOSING A COMMUNITY EVENT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE THERE.

NICE TENT OUT THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE SEPTEMBER -- OCTOBER WHEN IT'S A LITTLE COOLER TO HOST AN OPEN HOUSE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE STRUCTURES SHOULD BE -- THE CURRENT STRUCTURE SHOULD BE FINISHED BY THAT TIME. THEY CAN DO A WALKTHROUGH.

WE'LL HAVE THE OTHER LAYOUTS THAT'S AVAILABLE.

TO JUST BRING THE COMMUNITY -- BECAUSE THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE IS THE -- NOT KNOWING OR NOT BEING AWAY THAT, HEY, THOSE PROPERTIES ARE BEING DEVELOPED AND IN THE LOCATION. NOW, ONE OF MY BOARD MEMBERS REACHED OUT TO THE REAL ESTATE COLLEGE TO UTILIZE THEIR BILLBOARD TO HIGHLIGHT THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE -- THOSE ARE A COUPLE OF THE VARIOUS APPROACHES THAT -- LOOK, FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO PROMOTE IT AND LET IT BE WIDELY KNOWN THAT THESE NEW HOUSES ARE BEING DEVELOPED AND THERE'S FUNDING AVAILABLE TO HELP WITH FIRST-TIME HOME BUYERS TO OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

THE BIGGEST HURDLE WAS CHANGING THAT FLYER SO THAT IT FOCUSES ON, YOU KNOW, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE DISTRICT. YEAH, WE'RE ABOUT TWO MINUTES FROM THE BEACH, BUT THAT'S NOT AT THE TOP. WE DON'T WANT TO MISLEAD INDIVIDUALS TO THINK THEY CAN WALK AROUND THE BEACH.

NO. YOU HAVE WINDING SIDEWALKS.

YOU HAVE NEWLY DEVELOPED -- MOORE'S CREEK IS NOT NEWLY DEVELOPED, BUT IT WAS DEVELOPED WITH THAT LINEAR SIDEWALK THAT YOU CAN RIDE YOUR BIKES.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE HIGHLIGHTED IN TERMS OF APPROACHING HOW THEY TARGET BUYERS.

>> I SEE YOU FREQUENTLY. PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN THAT'S TAKING PLACE.

>> CERTAINLY. ABSOLUTELY

WILL. >> I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET IS A 501(C)3.

>> MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS THE WEBSITE.

WHAT'S YOUR PLAN HERE TO GET THE WEBSITE UP? I THOUGHT YOU MENTIONED THAT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. IS THERE A DATE CERTAIN THAT YOU HAVE WHEN YOU'LL HAVE THE WEBSITE UP?

>> IT'S ACTIVE NOW. WE'VE HAD SOME

UPDATES. >> WHAT'S

THE ADDRESS? >>

HISTORICLPMS.ORGANIZE. >> WHO IS THE PERSON FROM STAFF WORKING WITH MAIN STREET? MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, WE HEAR PRESENTATIONS FROM BOTH THESE MAIN STREETS.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE SET CRITERIA WHEN IT COMES TO THE PRESENTATIONS.

I THINK FOURTH QUARTER I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE BENCHMARKS IN THESE PRESENTATIONS AND I THINK THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT NEEDS TO BE IN THESE PRESENTATIONS. I'M MORE OF A DATA-DRIVE N PERSON. I NEED MUCH MORE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALLOCATING FUNDS TO MOVE THESE ORGANIZATIONS FORWARD.

GREATLY APPRECIATE LINCOLN PARK AND MAIN STREET. THEY'RE VERY ACTIVE.

THEY BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND HAVE AN ECONOMIC ENGINE BECAUSE OF THE VENDORS THAT ARE THERE.

THAT'S REALLY GOOD. THERE'S SOME AVENUES WE'RE MISSING HERE. I WANT TO SET SOME

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BENCHMARKS AND GOALS IN MAKING SURE THEY'RE PART OF THAT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE AN EVEN COMPARISON FROM BOTH -- ACROSS BOTH ORGANIZATIONS AND TO PROVIDE SURETY TO THE TAX PAYERS OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE THAT ARE MAKING THESE INVESTMENTS TO KEEP THESE TWO MAIN STREETS GOING FORWARD. I'LL STOP THERE.

I'LL FOLLOW UP WITH MR. CHESS AND STAFF DURING MY WEEKLY MEETING. THANK YOU.

LINCOLN PARK HISTORIC --

>> LPMS.ORG.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS, FOR HAVING US.

WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITIES AND LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING

[11. CONSENT AGENDA]

THE ADJUSTMENTS.

>> IN THE FOURTH QUARTER.

>> ALL RIGHT. NOW WE ARE READY FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> NEXT ITEM IS THE CONSENT AGENDA.

I'LL POINT OUT THAT ITEM 11- D IS THE THIRD QUARTER REPORT OF LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET. YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE REPORT PROVIDED TO YOU.

>> THAT'S A SEPARATE VOTE?

>> SOMEBODY NEEDS TO PULL THE ITEM, 11- D IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE ACCEPTED, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO GET THEIR DISBURSEMENT.

>> IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO PULL

-- >> I'LL PULL IT AND ALSO 11-C.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE ITEMS 11- A AND

11-B. >> SECOND?

>> SECOND THAT.

>> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

>> BRODERICK.

[C. Approval of salary increase for Linda Cox, City Clerk, discussed at the July 21, 2025 City Commission Special Budget Meeting for a new an annual salary in the amount of $160,000.00 effective October 1, 2025; said annual salary to be inclusive of the cost of living increase being provided to City employees effective October 1, 2025.]

>> YES, MA'AM. >> 11- C IS THE APPROVAL OF THE SALARY INCREASE FOR LINDA COX IN THE AMOUNT OF $160,000.

STATE SALARY INCLUSIVE OF THE COST OF LIVING INCREASE BEING PROVIDED TO CITY EMPLOYEES EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1,

2025. >> THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION GOING AROUND AND I WANT TO CLARIFY. WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING WITH THIS IS THAT THE SALARY BE BUMPED FOR MRS. COX, BUT THAT WOULD BE INCLUSIVE. IT WOULDN'T BE THE SALARY PLUS A 5% ON THAT. THERE WAS THINGS THAT CAME TO ME DURING THE WEEK THAT WAS OUT OF LINE WITH THAT. I WANTED TO STOP THAT HERE FIRST OF ALL. SECOND OF ALL, AS FAR AS THE SALARY, I KNOW WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AS A COMMISSION WHEN IT CAME TO THIS.

IN LIGHT OF SOME THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED HERE RECENTLY IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS, THE PHONE CALLS HAVE STARTED, THE EMAILS HAVE STARTED OF THE CONCERN WITH THIS.

THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION OUT THERE HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THESE, PARTICULARLY THE $60,000 FOR SPECIAL ELECTIONS, ALSO CONSIDERING THE SAVINGS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ONE OTHER FINAL DISCUSSION ON THIS AND WE'RE TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

THE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT NOW -- THIS SIGNIFIES BASICALLY A 25% INCREASE IN PAY FROM THE CURRENT STANDARD.

IT'S A HIGHER STANDARD THAN WE HAVE EVER GRANTED, I THINK, IN THE CITY UNLESS SOMEONE CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND THAT. THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT, YOU KNOW, RAISES HAVE BEEN GRANTED. WE'VE BUDGETED FOR THAT FOR CITY STAFF.

I THINK AT 5%. WITH THE POLICE WE NEGOTIATED AND CAME DOWN A LITTLE BIT TO PROVIDE -- I THINK IT WAS A 6% PLUS THE STEP BONUS PROGRAMS. YOU KNOW, GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT HAS TRANSPIRED HERE, THE LEVEL OF SCRUTINY THAT IS UPON US AS FAR AS TIGHTENING OUR BELTS, TALKING WITH STAFF I KNOW THEY WENT BACK IN LIGHT OF SOME OF THESE THINGS AND TIGHTENED UP EVEN A LITTLE MORE FOR US TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE MONIES.

SO I JUST WANT TO PULL THIS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TOTALLY COMFORTABLE WITH THIS.

I CAN TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THERE NEEDS TO BE GRANTED STEPS FOR MRS. COX TO INCREASE SALARY.

I RELOOKED AT SOME OF THE OTHER CITY CLERKS AND STAFF LEVELS AND WHAT THEY DO. THERE'S NO

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DOUBT THERE NEEDS TO ÷÷BE A NUMBER THERE.

MY QUESTION IS IS IT 25% OR $32,000?

>> WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED.

I THINK WE PROBABLY WON'T KNOW THAT UNLESS WE ASK MS. MORRIS TO GO BACK AND TELL US.

HERE'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT -- THE CITY OF -- THE JOB OF CITY CLERK HAS BECOME INCREASINGLY IMPORTANT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I BELIEVE THAT WHEN WE HIRED MS. COX IN -- OVER 13 YEARS AGO, IT WAS AT A SALARY LEVEL BASED ON THE CITY CLERK BEFORE AND THAT JOB AND THAT JOB DESCRIPTION AND WHAT THAT PERSON DOES HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY.

I BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE CORRECTING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CORRECTED BEFORE AND I'M QUITE COMFORTABLE WITH THE 160.

>> MADAM MAYOR, I'LL JUMP IN. I REVIEWED IN DETAIL THE COMPENSATION ANALYSIS THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR CITY CLERKS THROUGHOUT THIS AREA AND AROUND THE STATE CANDIDLY.

I ALSO DID A COMPARISON ON THAT SCHEDULE TO THE SCHEDULE WE WERE PROVIDED FOR -- PAY POINTS FOR CITY STAFF. I BELIEVE THAT THE POSITION OF CHARTER OFFICES WITHIN THE CITY NEED TO BE PAID COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR PEERS AND NEED TO BE PAID COMMENSURATE WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN THE CITY. WE HAVE DEPARTMENT HEADS MAKING MORE THAN THAT I BELIEVE. WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HIERARCHY, SAME ISSUE. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A 25% INCREASE. IT'S A NET 20% INCREASE BECAUSE 5% IS THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT THAT ALL CITY EMPLOYEES ARE BEING GRANTED.

I FIND THE NUMBER TO BE ACCEPTABLE.

IT'S ON PAR WITH COMPETITORS FOR PEERS IN HER FIELD.

IT'S ON PAR WHERE WE FIND THE CITY PAYROLL STRUCTURED FOR DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ABOVE. I'M GOOD WITH IT.

>> MADAM MAYOR AND COMMISSIONERS, I TOO ALSO GOT THE EMAILS AND THE CALLS AND THE CONCERNS AND I KNOW MS. COX DESERVES A RAISE.

LET'S JUST GET THAT OUT. BUT AT THIS -- I'M JUST LOOKING JUST AT THIS TIME -- I'M JUST LOOKING, CAN WE REALLY AFFORD IT AT THIS TIME? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

CAN WE AFFORD IT AT THIS TIME KNOWING WHAT WE HAVE -- WHAT WE GOT TO FACE WITH THE 60,000 AND THE OTHER SHORTFALLS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE DOESN'T DESERVE ANYTHING. I JUST DON'T KNOW AT THIS JUNCTURE IF 160 IS THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO AT THIS JUNCTURE. MAYBE WE CAN TRY TO SET UP SOMETHING WHERE -- SOMETHING LIKE WE DID WITH CITY MANAGER WHERE THEY COME HERE AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AT THIS AND TRY TO CAPTURE THE OTHER PART AT THAT TIME. I DON'T KNOW, BUT -- I JUST KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING AND THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING US NOW. MS. COX, LET ME SAY THIS VERY CLEAR, MS. COX DESERVES A RAISE. I DON'T CARE IF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT. I DON'T CARE IF ANYONE IN THIS ROOM DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT. SHE DESERVES A RAISE FROM WHAT SHE'S CURRENTLY MAKING. I'M JUST -- I'M JUST LOOKING BACK NOW AT THIS 160 AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT NUMBER IT WOULD BE.

IF 140 OR EVEN -- YOU KNOW, 150, WHERE WOULD THAT BE? SHE DESERVES A RAISE. I'M ON THE RECORD SAYING SHE DESERVES A RAISE. SHE'S DONE EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED HER TO DO IN THIS POSITION AND SHE DESERVES A RAISE. KNOWING WHAT WE'RE FACING AND THE BUDGET WE HAVE, IS RIGHT NOW THE TIME TO JUMP 25 OR WHATEVER -- IS IT THE RIGHT TIME? THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. THAT'S MY CONCERN.

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>> I STARTED THIS CONVERSATION AND, LIKE I SAID, WE ALL ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. I THINK THAT LOOKING AT THIS -- I LOOKED BACK AT SOME OF THE NUMBERS.

IF, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 15% AND BEGIN TO GIVE US SOME ROOM HERE.

THIS IS STARTING A NEW FISCAL YEAR, A NEW BUDGET.

WE GOT SOME UNEXPECTED COSTS THAT WILL FACTOR INTO THE TAIL END OF THIS CURRENT BUDGET AND THEN THE NEW BUDGET. WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE IS COMING? I'M WILLING TO REVISITREVISIT THIS MIDYEAR. I THINK RIGHT NOW FROM THE OPTICS STANDPOINT, IS THIS THE RIGHT THING? WE'VE ASKED A NUMBER OF STAFF TO TRIM THEIR BUDGETS. WE PULLED POSITIONS THAT WERE ASKED FOR AND WE DIDN'T FUND THAT. SO GOING ALL THE WAY THERE AT THIS POINT MAY BE SOMETHING -- I WANTED TO GIVE US AN OPTION TO CONSIDER.

THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A CONSENT AGENDA ITEM.

I PULLED IT. WHAT I WOULD -- WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE'RE AT A QUAGMIRE WITH IT.

>> I HAVE ONE FOLLOW- UP COMMENT.

IT'S IN THE SAME VEIN THAT COMMISSIONERS GAINES AND JOHNSON WERE GETTING AT. IN LIGHT OF RECENT EVENTS, WHEN WE REVISIT THE BUDGET, I PLAN ON REVISITING THE BUDGET. THERE'S THINGS IN THE BUDGET I FEEL NEED TO BE CHANGED. CLEARLY BASED ON RECENT EVENTS AND ADVOCACY FOR CERTAIN POSITIONS IN THAT BUDGET, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT, GUYS. THIS WHOLE CONCEPT OF DEFICIT SPENDING TO COVER CITY OPERATIONS WHEN THE ECONOMY IS GOOD, TO ME, IS NONSENSICAL.

I AGREE WE NEED TO LOOK ACROSS THE BOARD AT EVERYTHING WE HAVE PROPOSED TO INCORPORATE IN THE BUDGET TO MAKE DETERMINATIONS BECAUSE THIS NEGATIVE FUNDING SCENARIO I FIND CANDIDLY TO BE UNACCEPTABLE.

DO WE WANT TO TAKE A HIT FOR $60,000 FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION? OF COURSE NOT.

MAYBE WE'LL HEAR POSITIVE NEWS ON THAT TONIGHT AND IT WILL BE LESS EXPENSIVE. I'M SUGGESTING ACROSS THE BOARD WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE $67 MILLION BUDGET AND REVISIT THIS. DEFICIT SPENDING IN A TIME WHEN THE ECONOMY IS GOOD -- IMAGINE ÷÷WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE TAX NUMBERS GO DOWN.

DO WE HAVE A PRINTING PRESS IN THE GARAGE WE CAN FIRE IT UP AND PRINT MONEY? THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN DO THAT.

WE CAN'T. HAVING SAID THAT, WE HAVE TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THIS.

COMING INTO A SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE A 10.5% INCREASE IN THE TAX BASE TO, IN MY OPINION, A 10.5% DECREASE NEXT YEAR. I'M NO EXPERT.

I'M JUST SPECULATING BASED ON WHAT I SEE GOING ON IN THE REAL ESTATE WORLD. THAT'S A VERY DISTINCT POSSIBILITY. IT GETS WORSE INTO 2027 AND 2028 BEFORE WE SPIN THIS BACK AROUND.

WE NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS. COMING INTO 2026 IN A DEFICIT SPENDING POSITION TO ME IS UNACCEPTABLE. WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME DIFFICULT DECISIONS ACROSS THE BOARD.

I INTEND TO RIP THE BAND- AID OFF THAT THING AND TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THAT WHEN WE TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN THAT PROCESS WHICH I BELIEVE IS IN AUGUST SOMETIME.

>> YEAH. DO WE HAVE -- MS. COX, DO WE HAVE A SPECIAL BUDGET MEETING?

>> THAT MEETING WILL BE A REGULAR DAY MEETING AND A BUDGET

WORKSHOP. >> A BUNCH,

YEAH. >> IS THAT SOMETHING THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER AT THAT TIME?

>> IN LIGHT OF THIS, THERE'S TOO MANY NUMBERS MOVING AROUND IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT. I AGREE THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP IN THE BUDGET I WANT TO LOOK AT AS WELL. FOR SOME REASON, I'M OVERLY CAUTIOUS RIGHT NOW. SOMETHING IS TELLING ME THAT WE NEED TO BE OVERLY CAUTIOUS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVE COST ESTIMATES, ET CETERA, WE STILL HAVE TO RUN A CITY. TO MAKE THIS BIG OF A JUMP HERE -- I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN'T GET HERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT IN STAGES TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR MRS. COX. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I CAN GET SOMEWHERE AROUND 12.5. IT'S 7 PLUS 5, THAT'S 12.5, WHICH IS HALF OF THE PROPOSAL. I'M WILLING TO

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REVISIT THIS IN THE FUTURE TO BRING MS. COX WHERE OTHER CITY CLERKS ARE.

TO GET ALL THE WAY TO 25 IS CONCERNING TO

ME. >> I JUST WANT TO ALSO POINT OUT THAT IT WAS TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THIS SOMEHOW COMPARED TO RETIREMENT PEOPLE, WHICH THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM IS A TOTALLY DIFFERENT ANIMAL THAN THAT.

>> IT HAS NOTHING TO DO -- THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM PAYS FOR ITSELF. IT SETS THE TONE AND POLICIES.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH --

>> WE'LL GET TO THAT IN MY COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING. I DON'T IF PEOPLE WILL STILL BE HERE. THEY'RE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE ISSUES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CURRENT EMPLOYEES VERSUS COST OF LIVING FOR RETIREES.

THERE'S A WHOLE ISSUE WHEN IT COMES TO TAKING THESE FUNDS AND PROVIDING THAT.

IT'S GUARDED BY STATE STATUTE AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE UP AGAINST WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. STATE STATUTE IS STATE STATUTE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO VIOLATE STATE STATUTE. I'M

NOT. >> WE CAN WAIT UNTIL CLOSING COMMENTS OR TALK ABOUT IT NOW.÷÷WITH ME AND COMMISSIONER BRODERICK ON THE RETIREMENT BOARD, I CAN EXPLAIN THAT WHO SCENARIO.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT MULTIPLE TIMES. WE PAID MONEY TO GET A STUDY.

WE'RE FACED WITH A STATE STATUTE.

STATE STATUTE IS VERY CLEAR. WE CAN WAIT TO GET TO -- I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP TOO. WE CAN GET TO THAT PART WHEN IT'S TIME FOR US TO TALK.

>> WITH THAT, MADAM MAYOR, THIS ITEM, WE HAVE UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST, THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. WE HAVE ONE MORE MEETING.

WE HAVE A BUDGET MEETING MONDAY. I WANT TO SEE THESE PROPOSAL CUTS AND SEE WHERE WE ARE FISCALLY.

I WANT TO FACTOR IN SOME THINGS THAT STAFF HAS BEEN DOING BEHIND THE SCENES WE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE CUTS ARE AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT AT A -- WHAT DO YOU CALL IT -- DEFICIT.

THEY SOMEHOW BALANCED IT, BUT IN BALANCING THEY'VE CUT. WE'VE ASKED THE PARTNERS TO TAKE A HAIR CUT.

WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS FROM A FISCAL OPERATION WHEN IT COMES TO SALARIES AND GRANTING LEVEL SALARIES IN LINE WITH WHERE WE NEED TO GO. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE WITH TABLE THIS TO OUR NEXT OFFICIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING WHICH IS -- WHAT'S THAT?

>> MONDAY.

>> NO, THAT'S A BUDGET MEETING. I WANT THE OFFICIAL CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

>> THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE AUGUST THE 18TH.

>> YEAH, THAT'S THE DATE. THAT WILL GIVE US A BUDGET MEETING TO REHASH AND REVISIT THIS AND AT THAT TIME I'LL BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT AND DONE WITH IT.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WE'RE MEETING MONDAY TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET.

>> ARE YOU -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR SO THE PUBLIC IS CLEAR.

ARE WE NOT DISCUSSING THIS MONEY, THIS RAISE DURING THE BUDGET?

>> YES, SIR, WE WILL.

THAT'S A WORKSHOP. >> WE'RE WORKSHOPING IT, DISCUSS IT AND VOTE ON IT ON THE 18TH.

>> THE NEW BUDGET AND WHATEVER.

>> I WANT EVERYONE TO BE CLEAR.

>> YEP.

>> WE'LL DISCUSS IT MONDAY.

>> WE'LL VOTE ON IT ON THE 18T H.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

>> IS THAT YOUR MOTION?

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? WE'RE TABLING

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND THAT.

IT. >> I HAVE ONE FOLLOW-UP.

MA'AM. >> ON THE BUDGET ITSELF, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE BUDGET IN FRONT OF ME. IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, THERE WAS RED INK ON THE BOTTOM LINE AFTER THE ADJUSTMENTS WERE MADE, SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF $400,000. IT'S SMALLER THAN THE NUMBERS WE WERE LOOKING AT.

IT'S STILL THREE QUARTERS OF A PERCENT OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET.

SOMEWHERE IN THAT AREA. SUFFICE IT TO SAY, IT'S UNACCEPTABLE TO ME. WE NEED TO REVISIT THIS AND FINDFIND A WAY TO IT. COMING INTO THE FISCAL YEAR WITH A $400,000 DEFICIT TODAY, THAT'S A BUDGET NUMBER, IN REALITY YOU HAVE $60,000

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EXPENSES THAT COME UP ALL THE TIME.

WE JUST APPROVED ON SURFSIDE, EMERGENCY DRAINAGE REPAIRS. THINGS COME UP ALL THE TIME.

>> PACK YOUR LUNCH.

>> YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING? WE NEED TO FIX THIS.

>> MADAM MAYOR, WE'VE TAKEN A VOTE.

I WANT STAFF TO EXPLAIN TO US HOW THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS.

YOU'RE RIGHT BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE SHARING IS THAT THIS BUDGET IS BALANCED.

IT'S ZERO, BUT SOMEHOW TO REMOVE THE $400,000 DEFICIT SOMETHING GOT CUT OR WILL BE GETTING CUT.

>> IT WILL BE GETTING CUT. I DON'T WANT TO RUIN THE REST OF YOUR WEEK --

>> WE'LL SEE YOU MONDAY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

[D. Approval of Lincoln Park Main Street's Third Quarter Disbursement in the amount of $12,500 subject to acceptance of the Third Quarter Report.]

DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT?

>> WE VOTED.

>> 11- D IS THE APPROVAL OF LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET'S DISBURSEMENT IN THE AMOUNT OF $12,500.

>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON PULLED

THIS ITEM. >> LISTEN, THAT'S FINE.

I'LL PULL IT. HERE'S WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS. I WANT TO WORK WITH STAFF, MR. CHESS, THERE'S BENCHMARKS I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A TEMPLATE THAT BOTH ORGANIZATIONS NEED TO ANSWER.

WHEN PEOPLE COME FOR BUDGET FUNDING, THERE NEEDS TO BE MILESTONES AND GOALS MET OR EXCEEDED.

I THINK IT'S A FAIR JUSTIFICATION TO HELP THE PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THE LEVEL OF CONTRIBUTION THAT BOTH OF THESE ORGANIZATIONS ARE MAKING. I'M GLAD MS. CARRUTHERS SHARED THIS WEBSITE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL WEBSITE.

I THINK MORE COULD BE DONE THERE TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THE WEBSITE FOR LINCOLN PARK MAIN STREET. WITH THAT, I'M COMFORTABLE NOT PUTTING IN ANY STIPULATIONS AT THIS POINT, BUT NEXT QUARTER I WANT TO GO OVER A TEMPLATE THAT WE'LL AGREE ON FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT, FROM MARKETING, JUST FROM THE ECONOMIC STANDPOINT THAT WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF IDEA TO SET CLEAR CRITERIA OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE IN THE

PRESENTATION. >> I THINK THAT WAS IN THE CONTRACT. I THINK WE NEED REFRESHED ON IT.

>> AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT PUBLIC ON WHAT WE

EXPECT. >> MR. JOHNSON, THAT DOES EXIST, QUARTERLY PERFORMANCE MEASURES. WITHIN THE REPORT, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT WHERE IT WAS POINTING TO.

IT WAS TALKED ABOUT SURVEYS, PROMOTIONS, GRANTS, THOSE DELIVERABLES ARE REFLECTED IN THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES. WHAT WOULD BE MORE CLEARER IS WE STATE WHAT THE PERFORMANCE MEASURE IS ON THE SLIDE AND HOW THE DELIVERABLES ARE MEETING THOSE GOALS. SOME OF THOSE WERE FULLY COMPLETED, SOME WERE PARTIALLY COMPLETED.

A LOT OF THOSE GOALS AREN'T DUE UNTIL DECEMBER 30TH.

FOR THE MOST PART WE'RE IN LINE WITH THIS AND NEED TO SPELL OUT THE DELIVERABLES THAT EXIST FOR BOTH MAIN STREET AND LINCOLN PARK. IN THE PRESENTATIONS WE PUT THE HEADING OF WHAT THAT PERFORMANCE LEVEL IS AND THE MEASURES. WE WERE DOING THAT, BUT IT WASN'T SPELLED OUT. IT'S CLEARLY IN THE PRESENTATION.

>> I WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO WORK WITH THEM SO WE KNOW, THE PUBLIC KNOWS AND IT FEELS IT'S COMING TOGETHER AS THIS IS THE TEMPLATE THAT'S BEEN FILLED OUT AND WE CAN COMPARE APPLES TO

APPLES. >> UNDERSTOOD SIR.

>> I SEE THIS AS A PERFORMANCE- BASED CRITERIA.

WE HAVE $12,500 AND PERFORMANCE SHOULD BE MET AND IF NOT, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEDUCT BASED

ON NONCOMPLIANCE. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION?

>> I APPROVE CONSENT ITEM D.

>> SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> CALL THE ROLL.

[A. Quasi-Judicial Hearing - Review and Approval of an application for a Conditional Use (No New Construction), submitted by property owner and applicant, LaShanna Roberts, to operate a licensed APD (Agency for Persons with Disabilities) provider group home for up to five (5) residents at 2021 Sunrise Boulevard, Fort Pierce, FL. The property is zoned Office Commercial (C-1). Parcel ID: 2415-703-0220-000-6. ]

>> NOW MOVING ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WE HAVE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING FROM LASHANNA ROBERTS TO OPERATE A LICENSED APD FOR UP TO FIVE RESIDENTS AT 2021 SUNRISE BOULEVARD, FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED OFFICE

COMMERCIAL. >> WOULD YOU REVIEW THE GUIDELINES?

>> YES. THE CITY COMMISSIONER SERVES AS A LEGISLATIVE AND QUASI JUDICIAL

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ROLE. LEGISLATIVE IS PASSING LAWS AND ESTABLISHING POLICIES. WHEN ACTING AS A QUASI JUDICIAL BODY, THEY'RE LESS FORMAL THAN THOSE BEFORE THE CIRCUIT COURT. THEY MUST FOLLOW BASIC STANDARDS AND DECISIONS MUST BE MADE ON COMPETENT EVIDENCE.

COMMISSIONERS HAVE THE DUTY TO CONDUCT THE HEARINGS MORE LIKE JUDGES THAN LEGISLATURES.

FINALLY, NO ONE SHOULD APPROACH ANY MEMBER OF THE CITY COMMISSION ON THE DAIS, THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CITY CLERK DURING THE HEARING.

IF DOCUMENTS ARE TO BE GIVEN TO THE CLERK, GIVE THEM TO THE SERGEANT AT ARMS, ANY OF THE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE

CHAMBER. >> HAS ADVERTISING BEEN METAPHOR THIS ITEM?

>> YES, MA'AM. THE NOTICE AND ADVERTISING REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN MET.

>> DID YOU ASK COMMISSIONERS ABOUT EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS?

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK?

>> I HAVE NO, BUT ATTENDED THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING WHERE THERE WAS PRESENTED.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER GAINES?

>> I HAVE NOT, BUT I WATCHED THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.

I DIDN'T ATTEND, BUT I WATCHED THE REPLAY OF THE BOARD

MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?

>> NO COMMUNICATION, BUT I WATCHED THE PLANNING

BOARD. >> MAYOR HUDSON?

>> I RECEIVED A COMMUNICATION FROM THE APPLICANT. I TALKED TO A CONSTITUENT AND WATCHED THE PLANNING BOARD. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SWEAR IN THE WITNESSES.

>> YES, MA'AM. ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT.

PROCEED. >> GOOD EVENING.

BEFORE YOU WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW

CONSTRUCTION. >> STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> MY NAME IS VENICE GILMORE.

>> PROCEED.

>> BEFORE YOU WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR HOUSING LIVING FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AT 2021 SUNRISE BOULEVARD, PAR CELL ID 2407-124-0001.

THE OWNER IS LASHANNA ROBERTS. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL TO OPERATE A LICENSE APD, AGENCY FOR PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES TO PROVIDE A GROUP HOME FOR FIVE RESIDENTS.

THE SITE PLAN CONSISTS OF A ONE- STORY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT WITH FOUR BEDROOM, TWO BATHS.

BEFORE YOU IS THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCEDURE FOR THE REVIEW.

BASICALLY STATING THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS TO BE HELD. THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT SITE. THIS IS AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF TENNESSEE AVENUE AND SUNRISE BOULEVARD.

FUTURE LAND USE IS OFFICES AND BUSINESS SERVICES, OFFICE AND PROFESSIONAL.

THE ZONING IS C-1 OFFICE, COMMERCIAL ZONING.

AGAIN, THE SITE PLAN CONSISTS OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY FOR PARKING. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A MAXIMUM OF FIVE RESIDENCES.

THE PROPOSED AGES ARE 21 TO 65, MALE AND FEMALE, TOUR FULL TIME EMPLOYEES.

THERE WILL BE A TRANSIT VAN FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS AND DOCTOR APPOINTMENTS AND THERE WILL BE LIFE SKILLS TRAINING PROVIDED. THIS IS A FLOOR PLAN OF THE EXISTING SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS OF THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. THE APPLICANT HAS MADE SOME UPGRADES TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME SUCH AS NEW ROOF BEING INSTALLED, HURRICANE- IMPACT WINDOWS. THIS IS THE EXISTING FENCING THAT'S SURROUNDING THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IN THE REAR. THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN

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CHAIN LINK FENCE. THERE'S NEIGHBORING WOOD FENCES. PLANNING BOARD AT THEIR JULY 14, 2025 MEETING VOTED 4-1 TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CONDITIONAL USE WITH NO NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH STAFF'S TWO CONDITIONS.

FLORIDA STATE STATUTE 419.001, COMMUNITY RESIDENTIAL HOMES HOUSING SIX OR FEWER RESIDENTS ARE EQUIVALENT TO SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.

THIS PROHIBITS AREAS FROM PROHIBITING THESE HOMES, PERMITTED THERE'S SPACING REQUIREMENTS FOR SIMILAR VICINITIES.

THIS APPLICATION IS BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES HAVE A ZONING OF C-1. BEFORE YOU ARE THE CONDITIONS OF÷÷APPROVAL. PER CITY CODE SECTION, ACCESS- CONTROLLED RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF ÷÷12 FEET WIDE, MAXIMUM 26 FEET WIDE. NUMBER TWO, LIMIT THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES PARKED, NO MORE THAN TWO VEHICLES AT A TIME. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH THE TWO CONDITIONS.

ALTERNATIVE MOTION IS MODIFY APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.

THANK YOU.

>> MR. GILMORE, THIS KIND OF FACILITY IS LICENSED BY THE STATE, CORRECT?

>> DO YOU KNOW IF THE APPLICANT HAS A STATE LICENSE?

>> THAT I DO NOT KNOW.

>> THIS IS REGULATED BY THE STATE, RIGHT?

>> BY THE STATE.

>> THE ONLY REASON IT'S BEFORE US IS BECAUSE IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE INSTEAD OF A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, IS THAT CORRECT? IS IT SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL HOMES?

>> YES. IT'S SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL TO THE NORTH, WEST AND EAST.

TO THE SOUTH IT'S COMMERCIAL OFFICES.

>> SO I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE IT'S COST TO THE -- IT'S COMMERCIAL? THOSE AREAS ARE GETTING COMMERCIAL BECAUSE THEY'RE CLOSE TO VIRGINIA AVENUE?

>> OKAY. QUESTIONS OF STAFF? COMMISSIONER BRODERICK.

>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SCREEN? FORWARD. STOP RIGHT THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> THIS TIES INTO THE CONDITIONAL USE MATTER.

FLORIDA STATE STATUTE IN THIS PROVISION DOES NOT APPEAR TO APPLY TO THIS APPLICATION BECAUSE IT'S NOT ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY

USE. >> THAT'S

CORRECT. >> THIS STATUTE WE'RE LOOKING AT IN ESSENCE TO SAY IT'S AUTHORIZED UNDER THE STATUTE IS NOT APPLICABLE.

IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT?

>> FAIR.

>> WHAT'S DRIVING THE CONDITIONAL USE THEN? IF THE STATE STATUTE IS TAKEN OUT OF THE MIX, IT COMES DOWN TO OUR ZONING CLS IF CLASSIFICATION. WHY IS THIS REQUIRING CONDITIONAL USE?

>> IT'S AT THE TABLE FOR THE C-1 OFFICE COMMERCIAL ZONE. IT HIGHLIGHTS THIS PARTICULAR USE, CONDITIONAL USE. CONDITIONAL USE IS ESSENTIALLY A USE THAT IS -- TO BE DECIDED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

A USE THAT -- CAN YOU PUT THE CONDITIONAL USE --

>> THAT'S THE LANGUAGE TO THE BENEFIT, HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

>> YES. IT'S A USE WHERE IT'S POTENTIALLY OF SUCH A NATURE THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO UNDULY AFFECT THE OTHER USES IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, BUT IT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT BECAUSE IT'S OUT OF THE NORM AND THAT IS ALONG WITH OTHER USES WITHIN THAT TABLE THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY CITY COMMISSION. WHAT WE DO WHEN WE PRESENT THIS TO CITY COMMISSION IS REVIEW THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT STAFF ARE ABLE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, THE USE, THE INTENSITY OF USE IS LOOKED AT AND AN EXPLANATION AND REVIEW

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OF THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION MATERIALS INDICATED THAT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A USE WHICH WAS PRIMARILY INTERNALIZED WITH LIMITED TRAFFIC IMPACT.

THE QUESTION ON LICENSING FROM EXTERNAL AGENCIES, THAT'S -- THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE NOT PERMITTED IN THE STATE STATUTE TO REQUIRE LICENSING TO BE UNDERTAKEN. AT THIS TIME WE POINT OUT THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE STATE LICENSING, BUT AT THIS TIME APPLICANT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO DO THAT BEFORE THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPATION.

>> IT'S OUTSIDE THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY?

>> YES, AND THE EXTERNAL LICENSING AND PERMITS -- WE ARE RESTRICTING IN ATTACHING THOSE TWO CONDITIONS.

>> FOLLOW UP. THERE ARE STATE REGULATIONS THAT DO COME INTO PLAY. OUTSIDE WHAT WE HAVE HERE, WHICH APPARENTLY DOES NOT CARRY ANY WEIGHT IN THIS DIALOGUE, HOWEVER, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THE STATE STATUTE, IF I RECOLLECT CORRECTLY, THAT IF THERE'S A CERTAIN DENSITY OF THESE TYPES OF GROUP HOMES IN A SPECIFIC AREA THE APPLICATION IS AUTOMATICALLY DENIED BY THE STATE.

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THIS SEEMS TO FALL OUTSIDE THEIR OWN RESIDENTIAL USE PROVISION.

THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. THAT'S STATE GOVERNMENT.

DO WE KNOW HOW MANY GROUP HOMES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THAT AREA CONCERN AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT AREA CONCERN IS? DO WE JUST SAY THAT'S NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S ISSUE, IT'S A STATE ISSUE?

>> AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY -- WHAT'S THE DISTANCE --

>> THERE'S 1,200 FEET APART FROM EACH OTHER. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION TYPES. ONE IS 1,000 AND ANOTHER IS ÷÷1,200 FEET FROM EACH GROUP HOME.

>> DO WE KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER GROUP HOMES OPERATING IF THAT AREA? I GET THE CITY ISN'T LICENSING THEM SO WE DON'T HAVE A DATABASE OF THIS.

THROUGH SOME DIVINE INTERVENTION DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO US OR NO?

>> NO.

>> THAT FALLS COMPLETELY TO THE STATE SO SAY IT'S OPERATING WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES AND THE APPLICATION IS DENIED OR ACCEPTED?

>> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> DO WE KNOW THE CLOSEST PROXIMITY TO A SCHOOL?

>> THERE IS ST. LUCIE ELEMENTARY WHICH IS NEARBY.

>> AND CASSIDY'S AS WELL.

>> WITHIN CLOSE PROXIMITY. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

>> COMMISSIONERS? I WOULD LIKE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD PLEASE.

>> GOOD EVENING, MA'AM. STATE YOUR NAME AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.

>> LASHANNA ROBERTS.

>> WELCOME. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> NO.

>> OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY BEFORE WE ASK YOU QUESTIONS?

>> WELL, I -- I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN ABOUT THE SCHOOL. I'M AWARE OF THE SCHOOL ISSUE.

I ASSURE YOU THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS POSE NO THREAT TO ANY SCHOOL. I AM AN EDUCATOR.

I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING TO ENDANGER ANY STUDENT. THAT HAS BEEN LECHED AND I MADE SURE THAT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ÷÷WILL BE PRESENT IN THE HOME WILL POSE NO THREAT. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT

UPFRONT. >> ALL RIGHT.

IS IT A HOME FOR PEOPLE WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES OR DISABILITIES -- I KNOW AT THE PLANNING BOARD YOU WERE ASKED ABOUT ADDICTION.

EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE -- WHAT THE GROUP HOME WILL BE HOUSING. YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

>> I OPERATE A GROUP HOME AND OWN A GROUP HOME IN VERO

BEACH. >> CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME

AGAIN? >> OMAR BRAZIL.

I RUN A GROUP HOME --

>> EXCUSE ME. BOTH OF YOU WERE SWORN IN,

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CORRECT?

>> LIKE I SAID, I OWN AND OPERATE A GROUP HOME IN VERO BEACH, FLORIDA. WE'RE NOT -- AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, TAKING IN RESIDENTS, IT'S REALLY BASED OFF OF -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IN NOBODY IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

>> PLEASE PROCEED.

IT COULD BE AUTISTIC. IT COULD BE BIPOLAR.

IT COULD BE ANYTHING. IT COULD BE THEY'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR. IT'S NOT LIKE -- I KNOW WE HAVE THIS CONCERN OF, YOU KNOW, DANGER.

THEY'RE LITERALLY NOT -- SOMEONE HERE COULD BE PLACED IN THE HOME.

IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR -- AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEM AND THEIR LIVES.

YOU CAN TAKE ANYBODY AS LONG ADDS THEY'RE A PART OF THE MEDICARE WAIVER, YOU CAN BE ADMITTED TO THE

HOME. >> YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S NO CLASSIFICATION OF DISABILITY?

>> IT CAN BE AUTISM. YOU COULD BE IN A WHEELCHAIR.

YOU COULD HAVE SOME FORM OF BIPOLAR

DISORDER. >> BUT NOT ADDICTION, CORRECT?

>> NO. WE'RE NOT -- IT'S NOT --

>> THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

>> I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING.

>> THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT

THING. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

THE CLIENTS THAT WOULD COME HERE, THEY COME THROUGH WHAT SYSTEM TO GET TO YOU GUYS? IS IT A STATE AGENCY? WHAT DEPARTMENT IS THIS?

>> IT'S APD. AGENCY PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES. THEY GET PUT INTO THE PORTAL AND SEND THE REFERRAL TO US. WE CAN EITHER ACCEPT THEM AS WE READ THEIR SUPPORT. WE CAN EITHER ACCEPT THEM OR DENY THEM. IT DEPENDS ON THE OWNER OF THE HOME OR THE OWNER OF THE GROUP HOME TO FIGURE OUT IS THIS GOING TO MATCH MY HOME.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT NOBODY. YOU COULD HAVE ONE PERSON LIVING THERE FOR YEARS. IT DEPENDS IF YOU CAN HANDLE THAT RESIDENT. IF YOU HAVE A RESIDENT THAT STAYS HOME ALL DAY AND THEY HAVE SOME FORM OF DISABILITY LIKE AUTISM OR WHATEVER, YOU CAN ACCEPT THAT RESIDENT. THEY'RE HAVING BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS AND THEY'RE NOT FORCED TO ACCEPT NOBODY. THAT GOES OFF

YOU. >> THE QUESTION IS ARE THESE -- WHAT'S THE TIME LIMIT OF THEM LIVING THERE? IS IT MORE TRANSITION UNTIL THEY WANT TO MOVE SOME OTHER PLACE? ARE THEY THERE TEN YEARS OR FOREVER? HELP ME UNDERSTAND

THIS. >> GREAT QUESTION.

THEY CAN STAY THERE UNTIL THEY DIE.

THEY COULD STAY THERE -- WE HAVE A RESIDENT THAT WANTS TO STAY THERE UNTIL HE DIES. REALLY DEPENDS ON THEM.

IT'S THE BILL OF RIGHTS. THEY CAN LEAVE WHENEVER THEY WANT TO. THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN'T HOLD THEM HOSTAGE.

THEY CAN COME TODAY AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS GROUP HOME DOESN'T MATCH ME AND I'M LEAVING

TOMORROW. >> YOU HAVE THE SAME RIGHT AS A CAREGIVER IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE WITH THAT PARTICULAR PERSON TO, I GUESS -- NOT KICK THEM OUT, BUT ASK THEM TO LEAVE.

>> YOU CAN GIVE THEM A 30-DAY NOTICE AND REMOVE THEM FROM THE HOME.

>> AS I READ YOUR APPLICATION OF THIS PARTICULAR THING, IT LEANS MORE TOWARD THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES AND THIS WOULD BE A RESIDENCE THAT THEY WOULD SLEEP AT AT NIGHT, BUT THERE'S OTHER ACTIVITIES. WHO SETS THE CURRICULUM OF WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE HOUSE?

>> THE GROUP HOME OWNER. WE'RE GOING TO OPERATE THIS -- IT'S A BUSINESS, BUT IT'S ALSO THEIR HOME.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE COMPANIONS, GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, DOING DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES WITH THEM.

WE JUST DON'T STAY IN THE HOME ALL DAY.

WE HAVE A SCHEDULE OF THEM GOING TO THE PARK, THE BEACH, THE MOVIE THEATER AND DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF THEM LIKE TO GO TO CHURCH A LOT. THEY GO TO -- WHAT IS IT CALLED.

>> CRAFTS?

>> IT'S CALLED SOMETHING. COMMUNITY SERVICE.

>> I GOT A SENSE OF IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

THE OTHER THING THAT I THOUGHT I READ -- TALK TO ME ABOUT THE SECURITY OF THEM THERE AND GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT WHAT SECURITY MEASURES YOU'RE PUTTING IN PLACE THERE. IT'S 24/7 SUPERVISED AND SOMEBODY SLEEPS THERE.

>> THERE'S SECURITY CAMERAS.

>> I SAW THE FENCING AND ALL THAT.

THAT'S IT FOR NOW.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO YOU HAVE ANY DRIVERS?

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ANY OF THEM ALLOWED TO DRIVE THEMSELVES?

>> GOOD QUESTION. THEY DEFINITELY CAN.

THEY HAVE THAT RIGHT IF THEY GET A

LICENSE. >> IF THEY HAVE A

LICENSE. >> IF THEY HAVE A LICENSE AND A CAR -- THEY'RE JUST LIVING THERE, BUT THEY NEED SOME FORM OF HELP. WE'RE HERE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. EITHER THEY NEED HELP FIGURING OUT HOW TO DO LAUNDRY, HOW TO -- THEY CAN GRADUATE TO INDEPENDENT LIVING WHERE THERE'S NO STAFF AT ALL. THIS IS BABY STEPS. WE'RE TEACHING THEM HOW TO GO A STEP FURTHER AND GOING INTO INDEPENDENT LIVING.

YEAH, THEY CAN DRIVE.

>> THERE'S A CONDITION ON THIS FOR TWO VEHICLES, RIGHT?

>> HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? YOU HAVE FIVE RESIDENTS AND STAFF AND YOU'RE PARKING FOR TWO. YOU'RE SAYING THEY CAN HAVE DRIVER'S LICENSE AND DRIVING CAPABILITIES. YOU NEED A CAR.

THAT'S FIVE RESIDENTS AND ONE STAFF.

THAT'S SIX VEHICULAR PARKING SPACES AND THEY HAVE TWO ON SITE.

>> MOST OF THEM DON'T DRIVE. THE QUESTION WAS CAN THEY DRIVE.

99.7% DOESN'T DRIVE. I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER THAT YOU ASKED. IT'S A BILL OF RIGHTS.

>> I GET IT. THE WAY I ASKED IT YOU ANSWERED IT.

>> I ANSWERED IT EXACTLY THE WAY YOU ASKED.

>> MS. ROBERTS DID HAVE A PRESENTATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO GIVE THAT.

SHE SHE DID ATTACH A PRESENTATION TO THE AGENDA. I DON'T WANT TO NOT GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY.

>> IN THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED, IT SHOWED THE UPGRADES THAT WERE DONE ON THE HOUSE.

MY PRESENTATION JUST SHOWS YOU THE BEFORE AND AFTER.

IN PUTTING TOGETHER THIS FACILITY, WE MADE A LOT OF UPGRADES TO THE SUNRISE COMMUNITY.

OUR GOAL WAS TO MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE HAD A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE AND AT THE SAME TIME BRING BEAUTY TO THE CITY. THAT WAS THE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY.

>> THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I MAY CALL YOU BACK UP.

PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT PEOPLE HAVE SAID SO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO RESPOND. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME AND IF YOU WERE SWORN IN.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES AND YOU GET A TEN- SECOND WARNING.

>> MY NAME IS LISA KAUFFMAN. I'VE BEEN SWORN IN.

I LISTENED TO THE STORY SHE'S TELLING AND AS FAR AS I KNOW THEY HAD THE HOUSE UP FOR SALE.

THEY WEREN'T DOING IT TO MAKE IT A HOME LIKE THIS.

THE HOUSE WAS PURCHASED, REMODELLED AND THEY WERE GOING TO TRY TO SELL IT.

NOW THIS CONDITIONAL USE THING HAS COME UP.

I ALSO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE'S KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I JUST DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

ALL THE SCHOOLS ARE THERE AND THE PEOPLE.

THE GENTLEMEN -- I OWN THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR.

THE GENTLEMAN THAT LIVES THERE HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE THERE NOT KNOWING WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE.

I DON'T THINK THE HOUSE IS ADA REQUIREMENTS.

WHEN I SAW IT, IT HADN'T, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF DISABILITIES THE PEOPLE HAVE.

IF THERE'S GOING TO BE STAFF THERE PLUS A BUS FOR THE PEOPLE AND THE HOUSE -- WHOEVER THE PERSON IS IN CHARGE -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THOSE VEHICLES WOULD PARK. I KNOW IT SAID IN THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PUT A FENCE UP.

YEAH, WE HAD THE FENCE UP BEFORE WE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE DOING THERE.

IT WAS FOR PRIVACY AND DOGS, NOT TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP ANYBODY OUT.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW -- WHAT THEY WENT TO GO DO TURNED INTO SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT WITH PURCHASING THETHE AND RENTING IT AND THEY HAD IT UP FOR SALE AND THEN IT TURNED INTO NOW IT'S GOING TO BE A GROUP HOME.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE -- I SPOKE WITH PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'RE NOT HAPPY WITH IT. THEY HAVE CHILDREN.

THERE'S AN OLDER LADY THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET THAT'S FAIRLY NOT WORTHY -- I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY -- SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS GOING TO EMAIL IN.

SHE SAID, NO, IT SCARES ME WITH NOT KNOWING THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO

SAY. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?

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>> YES. SO, FIRST, SHE SAID ABOUT AS FAR AS SELLING THE HOUSE FIRST.

THAT'S REAL ESTATE. WHEN THERE'S REAL ESTATE, YOU CAN EITHER FIX IT UP, SELL IT OR YOU CAN EITHER BUY AND HOLD AND REFINANCE IT. YES, WE WERE SELLING IT FIRST.

THEN THE MARKET TOOK A LITTLE DIP.

WE DECIDED -- I WAS ALREADY IN THE BUSINESS AS FAR AS A GROUP HOME.

I DECIDED TO GIVE LASHANNA AND INFORM HER LET'S TURN IT INTO A GROUP HOME.

I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, YEAH, WE WERE GOING TO SELL IT FIRST. SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MARKET IS GOING TO GO.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL. YOU HAVE TO HAVE DIFFERENT EXIT STRATEGIES. YOU NEVER KNOW.

THE MAIN THING WAS TO SELL IT. WE WANTED TO GET IN, FIX THE COMMUNITY UP AND SELL IT. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WHAT DID WE DECIDE TO DO? WE WANTED TO BUY AND HOLD.

GUESS WHAT, THE RENTAL MARKET WASN'T GOOD.

THE MORTGAGE AND THE RENTAL MARKET WASN'T MAKING SENSE. THE NEXT STRATEGY, GROUP HOME.

SHE SAID SHE DOESN'T FEEL SAFE. WHAT ABOUT IF THERE WAS SOMEONE COUPLE HOUSES DOWN FROM HERE, RIGHT, AND THEY WERE MOVING IN. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT PERSON.

I FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN LOOK AND JUDGE SOMEONE OFF OF OUR GROUP HOME BECAUSE THAT COULD BE YOUR UNCLE, YOUR AUNTIE, SOMEONE'S CHILD. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO MOVE INTO THAT GROUP HOME. THAT'S FOR US AS FAR AS THE GROUP HOMEOWNERS TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR WHO MOVES INTO THE HOME. YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL WHO'S GOING TO MOVE INTO YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE DON'T KNOW THAT. WHEN WE'RE BUYING A HOUSE, WE DON'T COME HERE. WE MOVE IN.

THE FINANCE IS WITH THE LENDER AND WE MOVE INTO THE HOUSE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S MOVING INTO A HOUSE UNTIL IT CLOSES THE DEAL.

NOW WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP A GROUP HOME AND YOU'RE ÷÷SAYING YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS MOVING INTO THAT HOUSE. YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS MOVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE HAVE TO MAKE THE PROPER STEPS AND MAKING SURE THE COMMUNITY IS÷÷SAFE.

IT COULD BE YOUR MOM, YOUR AUNTIE, YOUR UNCLE.

IT COULD BE YOUR SON, YOUR DAUGHTER THAT'S MOVING INTO OUR HOME. NOW ARE THEY BAD PEOPLE? NO, NOT EVERYBODY IS BAD. THAT'S MY REBUTTAL.

I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING FURTHER TO SAY I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE

COMMISSION. >> LET ME BE CLEAR.

RIGHT NOW THIS IS ZONED COMMERCIAL, RIGHT?

>> WE ARE -- IF THIS WAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE.

>> WOULDN'T BE HERE. YOU'RE BRINGING UP -- COMMISSIONER BRODERICK WAS GOING DOWN THE PATH OF ZONING WITH THIS.

I FELT LIKE YOU WERE TRYING TO GO SOMEWHERE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE.

MAYBE STAFF CAN HELP ME. ZONING COMMERCIAL TRIGGERS CERTAIN THINGS AND THAT'S REALLY REGULATED BY THE STATE AT THIS POINT DUE TO THE USE OF THIS COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE.

>> YES. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT SITUATIONS HERE. ONE, THIS USE UNDER THE STATE STATUTE IS ALLOWED TO BE DESCRIBED AS A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME. IN ZONING WHICH HAS SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AVAILABLE IN THE ZONING, THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ALLOWED. THE COMMISSION WOULDN'T BE SEEING THIS. BECAUSE THIS ZONING IS BUSINESS RELATED, OFFICE PROFESSIONAL, IT HAS A CRITERIA IN THAT ZONING TABLE FOR GROUP HOMES, SPECIFICALLY THIS TYPE OF GROUP HOME, THAT SAYS IF ONE WAS PROPOSED, IT NEEDS TO BE A CONDITIONAL USE.

STAFF REVIEWS THAT AGAINST THE PROPOSED INTENSITY AND WHAT OTHER USES ARE AVAILABLE IN THIS C-1 DISTRICT AND ASSESS WHETHER ÷÷OR NOT THE I AM PA IMPACT OF THIS WOULD BE GREATER OR LESS THANTHAN USES.

WHEN WE REVIEW THAT, STAFFING LEVEL, BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T EXPLAIN HOW THE FULL- TIME EMPLOYEES WERE GOING TO BE WORKING THERE. I THINK WE WERE TOLD THEY WOULD BE ROTATING. THERE WON'T BE FOUR

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EMPLOYEES THERE AT ANY ONE TIME WHICH EXPLAINS THE PARKING ARRANGEMENT. ESSENTIALLY WE REVIEW IT ON THE PARAMETERS OF INTENSITY AND IMPACT ON THAT ZONING DISTRICT. NOTWITHSTANDING THE STATE SAYING IF IT WAS ZONED RESIDENTIAL THEN IT WOULDN'T COME TO YOU. WE'RE IN AND OUT OF THE STATE -- IT'S STILL ALLOWED UNDER THEIR LICENSING. THEY NEED ZONING APPROVAL TO GO FORWARD WITH THE LICENSING. AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY, WE CAN'T DICTATE OR REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO DEMONSTRATE THEY HAVE LICENSING AT THIS MOMENT. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE LICENSING AT CERTIFICATE OF

OCCUPATION. >> THAT WILL TRIGGER ANY OF THE CAPACITY TO BRING THIS UP ADA CAPACITY THRESHOLD, IS THAT MET THROUGH THE INSPECTION OF THE BUILDING?

>> YES. THAT WOULD BE UNDERTAKEN WITH THE BUILDING PERMIT.

THE CATEGORY OF BUILDING PERMIT USE WOULD BE DECIDED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. WHATEVER OCCUPANCY THAT CAME UNDER FLORIDA STATE REGULATIONS, WHETHER THE BUILDING WOULD REQUIRE SPRINKLERS, ACCESS, ADA PARKING, THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED AT THAT TIME. THAT'S A SEPARATE BUILDING PERMIT FOR WHATEVER INTERNAL AMENDMENTS WERE GOING TO BE MADE TO THE CONSTRUCTION.

THERE MAY BE FIRE REGULATIONS IN TERMS OF DOORS AND

MATERIALS. >> ALL OF THAT'S HANDLED AT SOME POINT AFTER THIS THAT THE STATE WOULD COME IN AND REQUIRE THAT AND THEN --

>> YEAH. OUR OWN BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD REQUIRE CERTAIN THINGS.

>> SO GO BACK TO THIS PARKING THING.

IF THEY REQUIRE CERTAIN LEVEL OF PARKING, MAYBE IT'S ONE HANDICAPPED, ONE -- HOW WOULD THAT BE HANDLED WITH NO MORE THAN TWO? THEY WOULD HAVE TO RECONSTRUCT AND COME UP WITH A SITE PLAN ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HANDLE THIS?

>> YES. THAT BEING THE CONDITION, ANY AMENDMENT TO WHATEVER IS APPROVED TODAY WOULD REQUIRE AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE.

>> GOES BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW -- YOU BROUGHT IT UP TOO, STAFFING AND IF -- THAT'S A BIG IF -- OF RESIDENTS.

JUST THE NUMBER OF STAFF AND WHATEVER -- OKAY.

THAT'S A PROCESS THAT'S BEYOND WHERE WE ARE NOW.

THEY'RE SEEKING A CONDITION TO SAY THIS, BUT THE OTHER TRIGGERS ARE BUILDING, STATE STATUTE, WHAT CAN GO IN THERE, ADA, ALL THAT STUFF?

>> I MEAN, WE'RE NOT 100% FAMILIAR WITH THE LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR SUCH BUILDINGS.

THERE MAY BE CONDITIONS RELATED TO THAT ELEMENT OF THIS THAT WE'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH RIGHT NOW.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE A FOLLOW- UP COMMENT WHICH IS A FOLLOW- UP TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENT. IT WOULD APPEAR TO ME -- THIS IS PROBABLY A REASONABLE GUESS, THAT THEIR APPLICATION TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DID NOT OUTLINE THE USE PROVISION HERE.

IT WAS ONSIDERED A RESIDENTIAL USE.

THEY GOT A PERMIT FOR WINDOW AND ROOF REPLACEMENT AND ONE OTHER PERMIT WAS INVOLVED. IT WASN'T AN APPLICATION FOR A COMMERCIAL USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

LET'S DELVE INTO THE ADA REQUIREMENT HERE QUICKLY.

THAT AFFECTS PARKING, WHICH AN ADA PARKING SPOT IS ONE AND A HALF REGULAR SPOTS. YOUR TWO PARKING SPOTS NOW BECOME ONE. YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M GOING WITH THAT? THAT'S ONE.

RAMPING IS REQUIRED IF THERE'S ELEVATION.

RESTROOM FACILITIES HAVE TO BE RETRO FIT FOR ADA COMPLIANCE.

KITCHENS, EVERYTHING NEEDS RETRO FITTED. THAT QUESTION REMAINS UNANSWERED HERE WHETHER OR NOT THE CART IS BEFORE THE HORSE RELATIVE TO THE RENOVATIONS THAT WERE DONE AND ARE THEY APPLICABLE. PUT THAT PACKAGE OF ISSUES ASIDE. CAN YOU GO TO THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT PLEASE? THE CITY COMMISSION MAY IMPOSE

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IN ADDITION TO THOSE STANDARDS ANY CONDITION WHICH IT FINDS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE BEST INTEREST OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OF THE CITY. I BELIEVE THAT ALSO WOULD GIVE US THE LATITUDE TO PROTECT THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTS OF THIS BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS BUILDING CODE. THERE'S NOT AN AUTOMATIC PRO CESS THAT THEY HAVE TO SEEK APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT REPLACING THE WINDOWS AND THE ROOF, NOT WE'RE PUTTING IN A GROUP HOME. EVEN THOUGH THE STATE STATUTE IS ADDRESSING THAT, CLEARLY THIS IS A COMMERCIAL USE.

IN OUR ZONING CLASSIFICATION IN C-1, WE'RE CONSIDERING IT A COMMERCIAL USE.

DOES THAT TRIGGER THE NECESSITY TO HAVE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT DO A REVIEW, ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS TO BRING ASPECTS UP TO CODE? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY.

I RAISE THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT'S A CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE POTENTIAL RESIDENTS OF THIS HOME. I DON'T KNOW AN ANSWER TO THAT.

BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, LOOK AT MY BUILDINGS ON DELAWARE AVENUE.

I HAVE RAMPING, HANDICAP BATHROOMS AND WE'RE A THREE- PERSON OFFICE. I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT REQUIREMENT IS NAVIGATED AROUND IN THE PERMITTING PROCESSPROCESS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HASN'T BEEN ENGAGED TO SAY WE'RE PUTTING IN A GROUP HOME.

WHAT DOES THAT TRIGGER? I DON'T SEE THAT

ANYWHERE. >> MAYOR HUDSON, I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THAT.

>> THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE OF USE AND PART OF THAT PROCESS WILL BE A PLANNING REVIEW, FIRE DEPARTMENT REVIEW AND A BUILDING DEPARTMENT REVIEW.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING

ABOUT. >> THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> THE CERTIFICATE OF USE, WHAT TRIGGERS THAT?

>> THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT.

YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY ADD THAT AS A CONDITION TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE THAT THEY COME IN FOR A CERTIFICATE OF USE. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE IT ANYWAY, BUT YOU CAN ADD THAT AS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR THEY MUST HAVE THAT.

>> MADAM MAYOR?

>> COMMISSIONER GAINES.

>> I KNOW I SAY THIS IN OUR WEEKLY MEETINGS AND I KNOW I SAY THIS, BUT WE HAVE TO, AGAIN, UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. WHAT IFS AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT WE'RE SAYING IS NOT EVIDENCE.

OUR CONDITIONAL USE CODE STATES IT CLEARLY.

WHEN WE'RE AT THIS PART OF A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING, THE PLANNING BOARD HAS ALREADY PUT CONDITIONS. IF WE WANT TO ADD CONDITIONS THAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT, NUMBER TWO, SECTION 235 ALLOWS US TO DO THAT. IF OUR CONCERNS ARE PARKING, IF OUR CONCERNS ARE CONDITIONAL USE, IF OUR CONCERNS ARE ADA, WE ADD THOSE TO OUR CONDITIONS. IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN DO THIS, BUT WHEN WE HAVE THESE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T KNOW -- I'M USING THE YOUNG LADY'S NAME. I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING IN THERE IS NOT EVIDENCE. IT'S AN OPINION.

IT'S A FEELING. DURING THIS TYPE OF HEARING, WE REALLY CAN'T USE IT. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE.

IT GOES BACK TO JUST LIKE WHEN WE HAD THOSE HEARINGS ABOUT THOSE CELL TOWERS. PEOPLE CAME IN TALKING ABOUT CANCER. WE COULD NOT USE THAT EVIDENCE.

WE COULD NOT USE THAT TESTIMONY. WE GOT TO DO A BETTER JOB WITH GETTING WHAT CAN BE USED IN A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING AS EVIDENCE.

WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT WAS THAT THIS HAS GONE THROUGH PLANNING. THEY HAVE A CONDITION.

THEY VOTED 4-1 AND HAD A CONDITION.

WE CAN COME BACK AND PUT CONDITIONS ON IT ALSO.

IF I'M HEARING OUR CONCERNS ARE PARKING, IF I'M HEARING OUR CONCERNS ARE ADA, YOU CAN ADD THOSE AS A CONDITION. THIS IS ALLOWED UNDER OUR CODE.

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THEY JUST HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF US.

IF FOR SOME REASON THEY MADE THE CODE AND PUT A P THERE INSTEAD OF A C, WE WOULD HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS. AT THIS JUNCTURE IF THEY'VE DONE WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND WE HEARD THE EVIDENCE AND YOU HAVE CONDITIONS YOU WANT TO PUT ON THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE, WE NEED TO DO THAT BASED ON SECTION 121- 237, SECTION 2. THAT'S OUR ROLE IN THIS HEARING. WE CAN'T SPECULATE.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AYE CROSS THE PUBLIC AND US EVERY TIME WE HAVE THOSE HEARINGS.

IF THE COMMISSIONERS TO MY LEFT HAVE CONCERNS, PUT CONDITIONS ON THE OWNERS TO DO SO AND, WHEN THEY HAVE TO CHANGE SOMETHING -- MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW.

AFTER WE ADD THESE CONDITIONS, COULD WE PUT ON THEY COME BACK IN FRONT OF US OR IS IT A DONE DEAL ONCE THE CONDITIONS ARE MADE THEN IT GOES THROUGH PLANNING?

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONER GAINES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, THE CONDITIONS DON'T COME BACK TO YOU SPECIFICALLY TO ENSURE THEY'VE BEEN MET. THAT WOULD GO THROUGH STAFF TO ENSURE ALL CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN MET PRIOR TO ANY FURTHER ACTION FROM THE

APPLICANT. >> IF NO CONDITION IS MET, IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH OR IF SOMETHING CHANGES BECAUSE OF OUR CONDITIONS, THAT TRIGGERS IT COMES BACK TO

US. >> IF THEY DO NOT MEET THE CONDITIONS AND IF YOUR CONDITION IS THAT THEY MUST GET THE CERTIFICATE OF USE, THE CERTIFICATE OF USE HAS AN ENTIRE PROCESS THAT REQUIRES THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA, TO REVIEW IT.

IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO OBTAIN THAT CERTIFICATE OF USE, THEY'RE UNABLE TO OPERATE AS THEY REQUESTED AS A GROUP RESIDENT GROUP HOME. THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION I WAS CONFUSED BY, BUT HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED

IT. >> IT DID.

MY SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION WAS SIMPLE.

YOU KNOW HOW WE HAVE HAD BUILDERS COME IN AND PUT CONDITIONS ON THEM AND THEN THEY FIGURE OUT, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF I DON'T DO THIS CONDITION AND I WANT TO CHANGE SOMETHING ELSE -- IT'S LIKE THE 5% OR 10% CHANGED, THAT WOULD TRIGGER THEM TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US.

IF THEY DECIDED TO USE THE PREMISE FOR SOMETHING OTHER THAN THIS THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DIFFERENT CONDITIONAL USE THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU FOR A DIFFERENT CONDITIONAL USE.

>> WE PUT THE CONDITIONAL USES ON AND IF THEY'RE NOT MET, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

>> IF OUR CONDITIONS ARE MET, THEN WE SET THEM SO IT SHOULD GO THROUGH.

>> MR. GILMORE AND MR. FREEMAN, DOES THE CONDITIONAL USE RUN WITH THE OWNERSHIP -- ONCE IT'S GRANTED AND THE HOUSE IS SOLD, DOES IT RUN WITH THE PROPERTY?

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> THE USE IS -- IT'S IN ESSENCE UNLESS THE COMMISSION SETS THE CONDITION THAT IT RUNS WITH THE OWNERSHIP.

IT RUNS WITH THE PROPERTY.

>> IT DOES?

>> THERE'S ALSO A SECTION THAT STATES IF IT'S NOT WITHIN USE FOR MORE THAN ONE YEAR THEN IT BECOMES VOID. LET'S SAY THEY DID SELL THE HOME AND IF THEY DID NOT RENEW THE LICENSE, AFTER A YEAR IT BECOMES VOID.

>> OKAY.

>> SO WHAT'S YOUR PLEASURE?

>> WHILE YOU'RE ALL THINKING, I THINK MORE MR. FREEMAN DID NOT STATE HIS NAME.

IF HE COULD STATE HIS NAME AND WHO HE IS, I WOULD APPRECIATE

THAT. >> CITY PLANNING

DIRECTO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'LL ALL TRY TO REMEMBER THAT. THANK YOU.

>> I'LL START IT. I HEAR COMMISSIONER GAINES AND I'M ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS AND WE HAVE TO TAKE IN THE FACTS.

WE HAVE A QUAGMIRE HERE AND WE'RE WRESTLING BACK AND FORTH.

TO ME LOOKING AT THIS, I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ACTUAL -- FROM A HEALTH,

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WELFARE STANDPOINT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CERTIFICATE OF USE ISSUED TO RUN THIS TYPE OF FACILITY.

YOU KNOW, I'M OF THE MEANING IF IT'S GOING TO BE A GROUP HOME, WHATEVER CRITERIA THAT NEEDS TO MEET TO PROVIDE THE WELFARE, SAFETY OF NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, BUT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY SO THEY'RE ALSO PROTECTED OBVIOUSLY AS WELL. MEANING THAT, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CONDITIONS AND STANDARDS HAVE TO BE MET. WITH OUR OWN FACILITIES WE'VE HAD TO CLOSE THEM BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT UP TO THE USE OF WITH A NEEDED TO BE DONE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAD THE OPERATING HERE. I'M OF THE SAME PREMISE NOW LOOKING AT THIS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD I WOULD BE LOOKING TO ADD A CONDITION HERE WHEN IT COMES TO COMING TO SEEK A BUSINESS -- THAT'S NOT IT -- CERTIFICATE OF USE THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENTS FOR INSPECTION OF THIS TYPE OF FACILITY AND THE APPLICATION BE FILLED BY THE APPLICANT AND THAT WOULD TRIGGER BUILDING --

>> FIRE.

>> FIRE, DEFINITELY FIRE. AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

>> MS. COX, YOU NAMED SEVERAL

THINGS. >> ALL YOU NEED TO SAY IS THEY HAVE TO GET A CERTIFICATE OF USE AND THAT COVERS EVERYTHING.

>> HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT IT

COVERS. >> BUILDING, PLANNING AND FIRE.

>> THE PLANNING IS HERE. WE GOT FIRE AND BUILDING WOULD GO IN AND INSPECT THAT TO LOOK AT THE CERTIFICATE OF USE THAT WOULD BE

THERE. >> THE BUILDING

USE. >> AND THAT WOULD -- WHATEVER THAT BUILDING USE IS, THEN THAT'S WHAT -- IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S A GROUP HOME, THERE MAY BE REQUIREMENTS OF FIRE, FIRE DOORS, ADA, BATHROOMS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE ADA. THAT I THINK IS A FAIR -- LOOKING AT EVERYTHING I HEARD TO IF THIS IS GOING TO COME INTO THIS CONDITION. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT AS AA CONDITION.

>> FOLLOW UP ON THAT. MY QUESTION IS WHAT COMES FIRST? IS IT CERTIFICATE OF USE? IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH THE PROCESS HERE.

CERTIFICATE OF USE, DOES THAT GET APPLIED TO PRIOR TO IT GOING TO PLANNING?

>> NO. IT HAS TO --

>> IT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COMMISSION AS FAR AS THE USE. THAT SEEMS BACKWARDS TO

ME. >> THEY NEED THE STATE LICENSE TO APPLY FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF USE, IN ORDER TO APPLY FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF USE.

THEY CAN'T GET THEIR CERTIFICATE OF USE UNTIL THIS IS IN PLACE.

>> IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN, PLANNING CAN'T SIGN OFF ON IT.

>> UNTIL THIS IS IN PLACE.

>> THEY GET THE APPROVAL FROM US IN THEORY AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND FIRE GOES THROUGH AND DOES THEIR AUDITS. I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THIS REQUIRED A SPRINKLE SYSTEM.

THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. PRIOR TO THAT BEING ISSUED, THE STATE HAS TO SIGN OFF AS WELL.

>> CREDIT. THEY NEED THEIR STATE LICENSE AT THE TIME THEY APPLY FOR THEIR CERTIFICATE.

>> YOU NEED THE STATE LICENSE PRIOR TO?

>> IT DEPENDS. SOMETIMES THE STATE WON'T GIVE THEM THEIR LICENSE UNTIL -- I DON'T KNOW HOW -- EACH LICENSE IS DIFFERENT. WE'LL WORK WITH THE APPLICANT.

>> I WON'T GET INTO THE MINUTIA ON THAT.

IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IT'S PREMATURE THAT IT COMES TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO RATIFY THIS BEFORE OUR DEPARTMENTS HAVING VETTED THIS. IF THAT'S THE PROCESS, THAT'S THE PROCESS. I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT CITY HALL SO TO SPEAK. IT SEEMS WE SHOULD BE THE LAST STOP IN THE PROCESS, NOT THE

BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS. >> IT'S BECAUSE SO MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES ARE INVOLVED.

>> MAYBE. MY QUESTIONS ARE

ANSWERED. >> WITH THAT, MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING WITH THE FOLLOWING THREE STATED CONDITIONS AS STATED HERE. PER CITY CODE SECTION 12536 ACCESS CONTROL AND THE LIMITED NUMBER OF VEHICLES PARKED TO NO MORE THAN TWO AND THE THIRD CONDITION IS THAT THE CERTIFICATE OF USE MECHANISM BE IMPLEMENTED AND TRIGGERED WHICH ALLOWS FOR REVIEW OF THIS BY CITY DEPARTMENTS AND FIRE.

>> IS THERE A SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>> ANYMORE DISCUSSION BEFORE WE VOTE?

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CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[B. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 25-021 - Review and approval of an application to amend the Millcreek Planned Development (PD) zoning in respect of one (1) parcel containing approximately 62.51 acres, and generally located north of Orange Ave and West of 41st Street in Fort Pierce, with a Planned Development Final Site Plan for Pod 2 to construct a total of 439 dwelling units, distributed in 309 townhomes and 130 detached single-family homes at a density of 7.1 du/ac. The application submitted by applicant REDTAIL DG Tod Mowery on behalf of owner FM Millcreek Holding LLC. more specifically at Parcel ID #2407-124-0001-000-3 - SECOND READING.]

>> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> WE WILL MOVE ON TO ORDINANCE 25-021. THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE HEARING FOR ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FORT PIERCE AMENDING THE MILLCREEK PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AND ONE PARCEL OF 62. 51 ACRES MORE OR LESS, APPROVING MILLCREEK FINAL SITE PLAN TO THE FINAL PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

ZONING AGREEMENT AMENDING ORDINANCE 23-011.

SEPARATION OF PODS, UNIFIED CONTROL AND UNITY OF TITLE PROVIDING FOR REPEAL OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT. PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS THE SECOND READING. WE HAVE THE FINAL DEVELOPER'S AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN FULLY EXECUTED AND ATTACHED TO YOUR

AGENDA. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS IS A SECOND READINGS. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD. SEEING -- ALMOST SEEING NO MOVEMENT.

>> GOOD EVENING. FOR THE RECORD, TODD MOWERY WITH REDTAIL. APPRECIATE STAFF'S ASSISTANCE.

I HAVE TWO MINOR NOTES AND WOULD ASK FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION ON THIS.

WE WERE ABE TO GET EVERYTHING SIGNED AND SQUARED AWAY. THERE WAS A CONDITION THAT WAS ADDED AT THE LAST MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MAYBE A CLARIFICATION BY THE COMMISSION AS TO REALLY A WORD IF POSSIBLE AND THAT WAS ON ITEM SIX WHICH WAS THE LAST ITEM THAT YOU HAVE ON THE TIMELINE, THE LAST PAGE. WITH THAT IT TALKS ABOUT WHEN A PARTICULAR ACTION IS TO BE HELD AS RELATES TO THE FTOT SIGNAL SAIGS.

IT MAY CAUSE CONFUSION AND I DON'T WANT TO EXTEND MY THREE MINUTES. I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF THIS. THE WORD IS IMMEDIATELY. AS IT RELATES TO THE PROCESS, ONCE WE GET THE APPROVAL WE GO FORWARD AND CREATE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

THE TIME PERIOD IT TAKE S TO GO THROUGH IT WOULD NOT ALLOW AN IMMEDIATE SUBMITTAL. WE CAN'T SUBMIT UNTIL WE HAVE A PACKET READY. WE FEEL LIKE ITEM SIX REALLY HONESTLY IS REDUNDANT. IT'S COVERED IN FIVE DIFFERENT POINTS WITHIN YOUR EXISTING AGREEMENT.

HOWEVER, IF IT'S EASY FOR THE COMMISSION TO LEAVE, WE WOULD LIKE THAT WORD MODIFIED AND REMOVED SO IT -- AGAIN, IT MENTIONS THE LANGUAGE AND DOESN'T ADD THE WORD IMMEDIATELY. THE SECOND THING IS LOOKING AT THAT ITEM, BECAUSE OF THE TIME IT TOOK TO GET HERE, WE WOULD LIKE TO ADJUST ON THE EXHIBIT, THE TIMELINE, WE NEED TO GET FOUR MONTHS ADDED INTO THAT INITIAL PHASE BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY NOT GOING TO BE A WAY FOR US TO GET TO THE GROUNDBREAKING STAGE BY NOVEMBER. GENERALLY IT'S GOING TO BE THREE TO FOUR MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO BE FULLY PUT TOGETHER. WITH THE EXHIBIT WE WOULD ALREADY BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND IT GOES TO THE TIMING FROM WHEN WE SUBMITTED IT TO THE TIME WE GOT TO THE COMMISSION TABLE. IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SEE THAT ON ITEM TWO.÷÷ALSO, THERE WERE QUESTIONS AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT TRAFFIC. I ALSO HAVE DR. JUAN ORTEGA, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, CERTIFIED TRAFFIC ENGINEER IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS IN THAT AREA.

APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE PLEASE COME FORWARD? I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

>> GIVEN THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO AMEND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, THAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE WE GOT HERE TONIGHT UNFORTUNATELY. IF THEY ARE ASKING TO CHANGE TERMS IN THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY'VE ALREADY SIGNED, THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND BROUGHT BACK TO YOU FOR A SECOND READING WITH A NEW AGREEMENT SIGNED.

>> MADAM MAYOR, ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE ATTORNEY, THIS

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HAS BEEN GOING ON TOO LONG.

WE JUST HEARD THAT SOME OF THE DATES AREN'T EVEN GOING TO LINEUP BASED ON THIS. IT TOOK TIME TO GET THIS THROUGH. SO I KNOW DURING MY STAFF MEETINGS I HAVE QUITE A BIT OF CONVERSATION WITH INTERNAL STAFF÷÷AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS I HAD.

THE CONCERN QUITE FRANKLY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADD A NUMBER OF HOMES TO THIS AREA AND THEN THAT'S JUST THIS PART.

I DID MEET WITH THE DEVELOPER THIS WEEK TO UNDERSTAND THE FULL SCOPE AND BUILD- OUT OF ORANGE AVENUE AND SOME OTHER STUFF GOING ON OVER THERE TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT OF WITH A WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT TRAFFIC. SO A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS CAME UP ABOUT SIGNALIZATION AND HOW TO FLOWTRAFFIC.

I HEARD OF SOME OTHER ROADS HEADING SOUTH OF THIS AS FAR AS THE IMPROVEMENT WHICH MAY ALLEVIATE SOME OF THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE HERE.

AS I LOOKED AT THIS, WHICH STAFF PUT IN, PROBABLY AFTER OUR CONVERSATION, AND I LOOKED AT ÷÷THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THE ACTUAL AGREEMENT THAT CLEARLY STATED THAT IF THERE NEEDED TO BE A SUBMISSION TO FTOB THAT WAS PART÷÷OF THE SUBMITTAL OF THEIR PLANS AND THE TRAFFIC STUDIES, ET CETERA, ALL THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED.

THE TRIGGER, IF ANYTHING, FTOB LOOKING AT IT TO SAY THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT,IT'S HAPPENING AND WE JUST WANT A SIGNAL. THE APPLICANT IS WORRIED ABOUT ONE WORD IMMEDIATELY. I GUESS IF THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IS THAT A VIOLATION OF THIS WHOLE CONTRACT, IMMEDIATELY? WHAT DOES IMMEDIATELY MEAN? THAT'S INTERPRETATION. IMMEDIATELY COULD MEAN SIX MONTHS. I DON'T KNOW.

COULD THE ATTORNEY HELP ME OUT HERE?

>> COMMISSIONERS, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

THIS WAS NOT BASED ON OTHER COMMUNICATIONS.

THIS WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL MOTION ON THE FIRST MEETING AS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER JOHNSON, IT WAS YOUR CONDITION YOU WANTED ADDED IN PUBLIC.

SO THE MOTION SAID IMMEDIATELY. THAT WAS WHAT WAS INCLUDED.

I TAKE IMMEDIATELY TO MEAN IMMEDIATELY HERE AFTER, NOT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. IF THAT WORD IS DESIRED TO BE CHANGED, YOU ALL NEED TO GIVE US DIRECTION TO DO SO TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE THE AGREEMENT. THE TABLE TIMEFRAME, AGAIN, WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION FROM YOU TO AMEND THAT TABLE AS WELL. I APOLOGIZE BUT I CAN'T RECALL WHAT DATE HE ASKED TO BE

CHANGED. >> IT WAS

NOVEMBER. >> I HAVE A FOLLOW- UP QUESTION. CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT?

>> WE CAN CALL HIM BACK UP, YEAH. PLEASE COME BACK UP. WE'RE OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.

THAT MEANS ANYONE ELSE CAN SPEAK AS

WELL. >> MY MEMORY IS NOT AS GOOD AS IT USED TO BE. WE HAD A FOLLOW- UP DISCUSSION RELATIVE TO BENT CREEK WHICH IS IN PHASE THREE. MY SPECULATION WAS THAT BASED ON THEIR ADDITIONAL UNITS BEING ADDED, I ASKED YOU TO INQUIRE OF THE BENT CREEK DEVELOPMENT TEAM ARE THEY IN APPLICATION TO THE STATE FOR SIGNAL IZATION AND COULD YOU PIGGY BACK ON THAT?

>> I REACHED OUT TO COUNTY. I WASN'T ABLE TO GET AN ANSWER IF THEY APPLIED FOR IT. I WASN'T ABLE TO GET AN

ANSWER. >> SO WE DON'T KNOW.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? ANYONE ELSE? WE'RE CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING÷÷AGAIN.

>> ONE FOLLOW-UP COMMENT. WE CAN ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF STILL, CORRECT?

>> MR. FREEMAN, THE TIMELINE OF THIS, I'M GOING TO SIDE WITH

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THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM ON THIS INDICATING THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE READY TO BREAK GROUND ON THE APPROVED SITE PLAN.

ALL THE PERMITTING AND EVERYTHING THEY NEED, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE READY FOR NOVEMBER OF 2025. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT'S A FAIR ASSESSMENT AS FAR AS A LOGICAL PROGRESSION OF WHERE WE STAND CURRENTLY?

>> THE DATES YOU SEE ON THE TABLE HERE WERE PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT, ALTHOUGH NOW THEY'RE OF SIGNIFICANT AGE.

OBVIOUSLY THE TIMES HAVE CHANGED OUT NOW.

I WOULD AGREE THAT THE PARAMETERS THAT THEY'RE FACING IN TERMS OF GETTING THINGS COMPLETED WITHIN CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES YOU SEE ARE VERY

TIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO LET'S TAKE THESE TWO IN UNISON HERE.

WE HAVE TWO ISSUES, THE IMMEDIACY OF APPLICATION FOR SIGNALIZATION AND THE REVAMPING OF THE TIMELINES FOR PHASE ONE, TWO, THREE AND THEY'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL FOUR MONTHS.

THE REASON I'M BRINGING THIS UP IS THIS AGREEMENT NEEDS TO BE REDONE. THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE AGREEMENT RIGHT NOW. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A PEN AND INITIAL THIS THING. THIS HAS TO BE REWORKED.

IF IT'S THIS BODY'S DETERMINATION THAT WE AGREE THE TIMELINES ARE INSUFFICIENT AND I DON'T WANT TO SET THIS THING UP FOR FAILRE.

THESE DATES ARE SETTING THE APPLICANT UP FOR FAILURE.

I'M SUGGESTING THAT, IF THIS WERE TO BE THE CASE AND WITH ALL GOOD S HERE -- I UNDERSTAND THERE'S BEEN SOME % DISTRESS IN THE WHOLE PROCESS, WHICH CANDIDLY I DON'T WANT TO SEE AGAIN.

I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THE TIMELINE SO THEY CAN BE SUCCESSFUL, WHICH IS GOING TO REQUIRE A REWRITE.

THE CITY ATTORNEY IS RIGHT. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO INITIAL IN THE MARGINS AND SAY LET'S GO.

IT SEEMS TO BE PRETTY SIMPLISTIC CHANGES.

>> IS THIS SOMETHING WE CAN GIVE DIRECTION ON THIS AND WITH EVERYBODY'S AGREEMENT THAT WE'RE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT TO GO FORWARD ON THIS? WE DON'T WANT TO COST THEM ANYMORE TIME, BUT WE'RE IN THIS BIND HERE.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU GIVE US DIRECTION TO AMEND THE TIME TABLE AND HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE CONDITION SIX AMENDED, WE CAN DO THAT AND THIS÷÷CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU BY THE 18TH.

>> WE HAVE TO COME BACK.

>> I HAVE TO CONFIRM WITH THE APPLICANT THAT DOESN'T CAUSE A

PROBLEM. >> MR. MOWERY, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME BACK UP?

>> ANY OTHER CHANGES NEED TO BE COMMUNICATED --

>> THIS IS IT.

>> LET'S GET THIS DONE IN FINALITY AND THE CITY COMMISSION -- WHAT TIMELINE ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT YOU WANT THIS NOVEMBER 2025 DATE TO BE CHANGED TO AND I ASSUME THE DATES WILL

FOLLOW. >> STATE YOUR

NAME. >> TODD MOWERY.

THANK YOU. IN TERMS OF THE TIMEFRAMES FOUR MONTHS IS WITH A WE'RE ASKING FOR. THIS WOULD AMEND EXHIBIT 2.

THAT'S CHANGING THE DATE ON THAT TABLE. THEN ITEM SIX IS THE ITEM YOU ADDED AT THE LAST MEETING. STAFF THIS PAST WEEK PROVIDED US WITH THIS UPDATED DRAFT AND THAT'S WHEN WE DETERMINED BECAUSE OF THE DELICACY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS, IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE EASIEST THING BACK AND FORTH.

WE'RE AT THIS POINT, HAT IN HAND.

WE WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU WOULD MAKE THE MOTION CONTINGENT UPON WORKING WITH STAFF TO FINALIZE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT AT ANOTHER MEETING, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT. WE HAVE TWO MINOR CHANGES AND FEEL CONFIDENT IN STAFF TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGES FOR YOU. THE OWNER IS HERE TONIGHT AND THE APPLICANT AS WELL. YOU CAN CALL EITHER OF THEM.

WE'RE HERE FOR THE LONG RUN AND NOT HERE TO TRY TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DONE.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CLEARLY WANTING TO HAVE HAPPEN IN THE SHORTEST ORDER AS

POSSIBLE. >> MADAM MAYOR, MY POSITION IS WE GIVE THEM THE FOUR MONTHS TIMELINE.

ADJUST THE TIMELINE BY FOUR MONTHS.

I HAVE NO ISSUE. THE IMMEDIACY OF THE

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SIGNALIZATION IS COMMISSIONER JOHNSON'S ISSUE.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THE SUBMISSION OF THE SITE PLANS AND THAT'S WHEN THEY WOULD COMPLETE THE SIGNALIZATION REQUEST. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS TWICE THAT THIS WAS REQUIRED. NOW IT'S THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE. I DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT IN A TIME TABLE OF TRYING TO TRIG WHAT IMMEDIATE IS, AND THAT NOT BEING MET.

>> WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST?

>> WE LINE IT UP WITH THE OTHERS AND SAY IT RUNS WITH THE SUBMITTAL OF THE ACTUAL APPLICATION.

>> OKAY. I'M GOOD.

>> SO EVERYBODY -- SINCE WE'RE ON NUMBER SIX, WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GIVING DIRECTIONS TO REMOVE

IMMEDIATELY. >>

RIGHT. >> AND IT WILL READ ORANGE AVENUE WITH EACH POD PHASE APPROVAL, RIGHT?

>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING?

>> HE ASKED FOR IT.

>> I'M FINE WITH THAT. SCRATCH IMMEDIATE OUT AND WE GO DOWN TO FOUR MONTHS. SO EVERYONE IS CLEAR -- I'LL COUNT ON MY FINGERS, DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH. WHAT WE'RE SAYING ALL THESE DATES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US ARE CHANGED BY ADDING FOUR MONTHS? THAT'S ALL YOU'RE ASKING?

>> SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AS A COMMISSIONER, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY I AGREE TO THAT, THESE CHANGES.

IT HAS TO COME BACK AND WE HAVE TO WAIT TWO WEEKS TO COME BACK AND WRITE IT UP.

>> BECAUSE WE HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER

AND÷÷APPLICANT. >> WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF WE'RE IN AGREEMENT TONIGHT THAT WE AGREE WITH THESE CHANGES, CAN THE CHANGES JUST BEBE AND SIGNED? WE AGREE.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN IF WE'RE TELLING YOU GUYS TO TAKE OUT IMMEDIATELY AND ADD FOUR MONTHS? THAT'S MY QUESTION.

>> IT'S THE OTHER SIDE THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE AGREES.

>> WELL, THEY'RE AGREEING.

>> THEY ASKED FOR IT. THEY CAME TO US.

>> IT'S THE APPLICANT AND OWNER.

WE HAVE TWO OTHER PARTIES.

>> IF THEY DON'T, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK HERE AND NOT BE A PLEASANT DISCUSSION.

>> FOR SURE.

>> BOTH THE APPLICANT AND OWNER ARE IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT. WE HAVE THE REGIONAL VICE PRESIDENT AND THE OWNER.

>> TODD, WE'RE GIVING YOU WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HERE.

YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT.

>> 100%.

>> THIS THING DOESN'T HAVE TO GET SPUN BACK UP HERE.

PLEASE DON'T BRING IT UP HERE. LET'S MAKE THOSE TWO CHANGES AND MOVE ON.

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. IT'S COMING BACK IN FRONT OF

US. >>

NO. >> YES.

>> ON THE 18TH.

>> THAT'S WHAT I JUST ASKED. I'M ASKING WHY IS IT COMING BACK IN FRONT OF US.

>> LET'S MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT'S HAPPENED.

>> MADAM MAYOR, COMMISSIONERS, BECAUSE YOUR ORDINANCE IS APPROVING THE AGREEMENT, YOUR AGREEMENT SHOULD BE IN FINAL FORM WHEN APPROVING YOUR ORDINANCE.

>> FINE.

>> HOWEVER, IF YOU ASK US TO DO OTHERWISE, WHICH IS NOT MY RECOMMENDATION, YOU CAN APPROVE THE ORDINANCE CONDITIONALLY UPON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT BEING AMENDED HOWEVER YOU DIRECT AND AUTHORIZING STAFF AND THE MAYOR TO SIGN EVERYTHING UPON IT BEING CORRECTED. IT MAKES IT MUCH MESSIER AND IT DOESN'T MAKE IT CLEAR THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY VOTING ON AND APPROVING WHICH IS WHY WE REQUIRE AGREEMENTS TO BE SIGNED IN FINAL FORM BEFORE BEING PRESENTED TO THE CITY

COMMISSION. >> BRING IT BACK IN TWO WEEKS.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING TO YOU THAT'S HOW BUSINESS IN THE REAL WORLD IS DONE.

IT'S HOW GOVERNMENTAL BUSINESS IS DONE.

BRING IT BACK IN TWO WEEKS. I DON'T WANT TO SIT IN A MEETING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND HER BERATING ME THAT I'M GOING AROUND CITY CODE OR

WHATEVER. >> YOU'RE MAKING

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IT MESSY. >> I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HER SAY I'M MAKING A MESS. MR. MOWERY, TWO WEEKS, THAT DOESN'T CAUSE YOU ANY HEART ACHE I'M ASSUMING. WE'RE REACHING AN AGREEMENT TO WHAT THE LANGUAGE IS GOING TO STATE.

IT'S GOING TO BE PROBABLY DONE IN TWO DAYS, BUT IT HAS TO COME BACK IN TWO WEEKS.

>> WE NEED A MOTION HERE.

>> WE MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES TO THE LEGISLATIVE ORDINANCE 25-021 TO REFLECT THE ADJUSTMENT TO THE TIMELINE AND STRIKING FROM THE RECORD THE WORD IMMEDIATELY IN THE LANGUAGE AND HAVE THAT BROUGHT BACK TO US ON AUGUST 18TH.

>> SECOND THAT.

>> BEFORE THAT THE VOTE -- I'M CONFUSED NOW.

I'LL TELL YOU WHY. BECAUSE NOW WE'RE BRINGING THIS BACK. WOULDN'T THAT BE A FIRST READING?

>> NO. IT CAN STAY A SECOND READING.

>> THANK GOODNESS.

>> I DON'T WANT NO CONFUSION. THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME WE'RE SEEING A BRAND NEW DOCUMENT THAT EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT IS AGREEING TO, THE OWNERS AND EVERYBODY AGREEING TO, I WANT IT ON RECORD WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THAT A SECOND READING.

ON THE 18TH I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS IS THE FIRST READING AND NOW WE GOT TO COME BACK IN

DECEMBER. >> YOU'RE GIVING DIRECTOR FREEMAN A HEART ATTACK.

>> I'M GIVING MYSELF A HEART ATTACK.

WE'RE COMING BACK ON THE 18TH FOR A SECOND

READING. >> YES.

>> ALL RIGHT.

>> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[C. Legislative Hearing - Ordinance 25-022 amending Chapter 2, Article IV, Division 5, Police Officers Retirement/Pension Funds to allow the Police Chief to opt out of the Police Officers Retirement Trust Fund and to increase DROP participation period to six years to mirror the general employee plan. FIRST READING]

>> JOHNSON.

>> MAYOR HUDSON. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> NEXT WE HAVE ANOTHER LEGISLATIVE HEARING FOR ORDINANCE 25-022. FORT PIERCE, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE IV, POLICE OFFICERS RETIREMENT PENSION FUND BY AMENDING SECTION 2- 381 DEFINITIONS OF POLICE OFFICER TO ALLOW THE POLICE CHIEF TO DROP OUT EMPLOYEE WITHDRAWAL FROM PLAN AMENDING 2-397 TO INCREASE DROP PARTICIPATION PERIOD TO SIX YEARS TO MRI MORE THE GENERAL EMPLOYEE PLAN AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

>> MR. CHESS, DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION FOR US ON THIS?

>> OTHER THAN THE FACT, THIS IS A FIRST READING FOR THE POLICE OFFICER'S RETIREMENT AND PENSION FUND TO ALLOW ANY POLICE CHIEF TO OPT OUT OF THE POLICE OFFICER'S RETIREMENT PARTICIPATION FUND AND IT'S RETRO ACTIVE TO THE CURRENT POLICE CHIEF. THAT'S THE CLIFF NOTES

VERSION. >> WE'RE KIND OF MAKING IT

UNIFORM. >> AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO OPT OUT.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS PLEASE COME FORWARD.

SEEING NO MOVEMENT. IS THERE A MOTION?

>> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE.

>> SECOND.

>> CALL THE ROLL PLEASE.

[B. Resolution 25-R55 appointing a member to the Keep Fort Pierce Beautiful Board to fill an at-large vacancy.]

>> MAYOR HUDSON.

>> COMMISSIONER BRODERICK LEFT THE ROOM WHICH IS WHY I DIDN'T CALL HIM. WE HAVE RESOLUTION 25-R55, CERTIFYING REAPPOINTMENT MEMBERS OF THE KEEP FORT PIERCE BEAUTIFUL ADVISORY BOARDS. I HAVE A BALLOT FOR YOU.

MS. SCOTT IS THE AT- LARGE APPOINTMENT AND SHE'S NOT SEEKING REAPPOINTMENT.

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>> I HAVE A QUESTION. SO THESE ARE ALL NEW PEOPLE SEEKING TO GET ON THE BOARD?

>> WE HAVE COMMISSIONER GAINES VOTED FOR T. ERICA PEW.

COMMISSIONER JOHNSON VOTED FOR DEBBY EDMONDS.

COMMISSIONER BRODERICK VOTED FOR DEBBY EDMONDS.

MISS DEBBY EDMONDS WILL BE THE NEW APPOINTEE TO KEEP FORT PIERCE BEAUTIFUL.

>> MOTION TO APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> CALL THE ROLL.

>> YOU HAD ME WORRIED THERE. I DIDN'T HAVE EXTRA BALLOTS.

[C. Resolution 25-R56 appointing members to serve on the Fort Pierce Youth Council.]

I WAS GOING TO HAVE YOU DO A VOICE VOTE.

I DIDN'T THINK OF FOUR DIFFERENT÷÷PEOPLE.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE NEXT RESOLUTION 25-R56 CERTIFYING MEMBERS TO THE YOUTH ADVISORY COUNCIL.

SO WE HAD EIGHT APPLICANTS.

>> THAT'S GREAT. WE HAD A GREAT GROUP OF YOUNG FOLKS THAT ARE SEEKING APPOINTMENT.

IN THE PAST WE HAVE APPOINTED THEM ALL AS OPPOSED TO LIMITING IT TO THE SEVEN MEMBERS.

I THINK SO FAR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MANAGE THE GROUP OF YOUNG FOLKS RATHER THAN TURNING ANYBODY AWAY.

>> THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR

THAT. >> IF AT THE NEXT MEETING WE HAVE TWO EXISTING MEMBERS, THEIR TERMS ARE EXPIRING AND THEY WANT TO STAY ON, WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU IN A SEPARATE

RESOLUTION. >> ANYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW IN THE FUTURE -- SORRY. THE ONLY THING WE NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF IS WE WANT THEM TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A QUORUM. WE WANT THAT TO WORK FOR THEM.

>> WE'LL MONITOR THEIR --

>> YEAH.

>> IF IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY ISN'T REALLY -- ONCE THEY GET STARTED, IF IT'S NOT FOR THEM, WE CAN ASK THAT THEY STEP DOWN SO THAT IT DOESN'T IMPACT THEIR

QUORUM. >> DO YOU NEED A MOTION FOR THAT?

>> REAL QUICK BEFORE THE MOTION, I REACHED OUT TO ALL THE SCHOOLS IN FORT PIERCE TO TRY TO GET A GROUP OF KIDS AND DURING MY WEEKLY MEETINGS I REALIZED THAT I FORGOT TO CALL ONE SCHOOL OR NOTIFY ONE SCHOOL. DID WE MAKE THAT --

>> I SENT YOU THE INFORMATION. YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE THE CALL.

>> I DID AND THAT'S ST. ANDREW'S.

PRINCIPAL OF ST. ANDREW'S IF YOU'RE LISTENING, LOOK OUT FOR A CALL BECAUSE I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ONE OF YOUR FRESHMEN OR SOPHOMORES JOIN THE

GROUP. >> JOHN CARROLL IS ON

THERE. >> WE HAVE WEST WOODWOOD

CENTRAL. >> AND PORT ST. LUCIE.

>> WE GOT A GOOD GROUP OF KIDS TO COME IN AND BUILD THIS YOUTH COUNCIL. MADAM MAYOR, I MAKE THE MOTION WE ACCEPT 25-R56.

>> APPOINTING ALL MEMBERS.

MA'AM. >> A RESOLUTION SETTING A SPECIAL ELECTION TO FILL THE VACANT COMMISSIONER OF SEAT OF DISTRICT 2, SEAT 2. THIS RESOLUTION SETS THE PRIMARY AT NOVEMBER 4TH. WE HAVE HAD TO CHANGE THE RUN-OFF DATE. WE MOVED IT UP TO JANUARY 13TH.

>> CALL THE ROLL.

[D. Resolution 25-R57 Setting a Special Election to fill the vacant Commissioner seat of District 2, Seat 2.]

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IT'S NOT JANUARY 20TH. IT'S JANUARY THE 13TH. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO GET THE CENTER.

>> COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

>> WAS THE ISSUE -- CONSOLIDATES THE TIMELINES BY ABOUT A WEEK?

>> WHAT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF AN EARLY VOTING LOCATION IN DISTRICT 2?

>> MY ANSWER TO THAT IS THE DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN DISTRICT 1 AND DISTRICT 2 IS OCHOCHOBEE ROAD.

DISTRICT ONE IS ON THE NORTH SIDE.

DISTRICT 2 IS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

>> THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS?

>> THAT'S WHERE THE EARLY VOTING LOCATIONS WILL BE.

THE CHALLENGE WITH FINDING ANOTHER EARLY VOTING LOCATION IS SOMEBODY HAS TO -- IT'S EIGHT DAYS OR IF WE SHORTEN IT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU LIKE TO.

THEY HAVE TO GIVE UP THEIR LOCATION FOR EIGHT DAYS.

IT'S VERY, VERY CHALLENGING TO FIND AN ALTERNATIVE EARLY VOTING LOCATION. I TALKED TO MS. WALKER ABOUT THAT. IT'S EXTREMELY CHALLENGING TO FIND SOMEBODY TO, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY RELINQUISH THEIR FACILITY FOR THAT LONG.

>> AS A RESIDENT IN DISTRICT 2 THAT LIVES AS FAR AS YOU CAN FROM AN EARLY VOTING LOCATION, I STILL VOTE AT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION LOCATION. I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES OF THE CHURCH OR THE DAYS INN GIVING UP OPERATIONS FOR EIGHT DAYS.

WE HAVE THE SUPERVISOR ELECTION LOCATION.

IT'S QUICK. THE STAFF IS RIGHT THERE.

>> AND DOES THAT SAVE US MONEY?

>> IT WILL SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY.

SHE SHE ALREADY HAS THAT SPACE.

WHEN YOU'RE WAITING IN LINE, YOU'RE IN AIR

CONDITIONING. >> AS ONE OF THE ONES THAT HAS TO DRIVE THE FURTHEST TO GET THERE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION LOCATION INSTEAD OF SETTING UP STAFFING AND THE COST LOGISTICS OF RENTING SOMEPLACE FOR EIGHT DAYS IS SIGNIFICANT.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF LOGISTICS THAT GOES INTO THAT.

IT'S ACROSS THE STREET.

>> I'M NOT GOING TO SPLIT HAIRS. I KNOW THE YNAMICS OF THAT. I'M GOOD WITH THE LOCATION BEING THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS.

THE ONLY PEOPLE FURTHER SOUTH THAN ME IS OCEAN VILLAGE.

I'M SATISFIED WITH THAT. IT'S A REASONABLE SOLUTION TO A COMPLEX PROBLEM. I'M GOOD WITH IT.

I MIGHT GET A COUPLE HUNDRED EMAILSCONSTITUENTS, BUT I'M GOOD WITH IT.

>> YOU PUSHED MS. WALKER ON THE FACT WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE MINIMAL COSTS HERE AND TRYING TO BE FAIR, BUT

MINIMAL COSTS. >> I DID.

I DID. SHE'S GOING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT SHE CAN TO REDUCE THE COSTS.

>> WHAT ABOUT ELIMINATING THOSE OTHER PRECINCTS?

>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. I THINK, IF WE CAN, THIS -- WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON RIGHT NOW SIMPLY ESTABLISHES THE DATES. WE CAN COME BACK LATER AND TALK ABOUT THE PRECINCTS IF YOU WANT TO. ONE OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD AT THE LAST MEETING WAS WE TALKED ABOUT NOT CHANGING ANYTHING. IT IS STILL MY RECOMMENDATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T. WE TALKED ABOUT -- I TALKED TO HER ABOUT THE COST OF COMBINING PRECINCTS. COMBINING PRECINCTS SAVESSAVES $1,300 TO $2,500 IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO SMALLEST PRECINCTS TO

COMBINE THEM. >> I WOULD LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS. PEOPLE HAVE A MINDSET TO WHERE THEY

VOTE. >>

EXACTLY. >> THE EARLY VOTING THING IS SOMETHING WE CAN WORK PAST. WE HAVE A SOLUTION.

ON ELECTION DAY, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO THEIR LOCATION. IF THEY GO THERE AND IT'S CLOSED, THEY'RE GOING TO BE UPSET.

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>> I AGREE. IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS, $2,500 ISN'T THAT MUCH. I DO BELIEVE MR. CHESS AND MS. MORRIS IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, HOW WE COULD DO THIS.

MS. WALKER IS GOING TO DO EVERYTHING SHE CAN TO WORK WITH US AND TRY TO KEEP OUR COSTS DOWN AS MUCH AS WE POSSIBLY CAN.

>> MY MEMORY IS THAT BEFORE ELECTION DAY IN REGULAR ELECTIONS WE CERTIFY THE PRECINCTS. ISN'T THERE SOMETHING THAT COMES TO THE COMMISSION? THAT'S KIND OF A PUBLISHED PART OF IT.

>> MY TAKE ON THIS IS I UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN A BUDGET CRUNCH. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TRYING TO SAVE MONEY. THE LAST THING -- I'M SAYING IT RIGHT NOW -- THAT I WOULD BE A PART OF IS RIGHT TO VOTE.

I DON'T CARE IF WE HAVE A PRECINCT WITH 15 PEOPLE IN IT.

IF THAT'S THEIR PRECINCT, IT WAS ESTABLISHED THERE FOR SOME REASON FOR THEM TO VOTE.

I WANT THOSE 15 PEOPLE TO GO VOTE.

I KNOW IT'S NOT 15. I THINK IT'S 50.

WHATEVER IT IS, THOSE 50 RESIDENTS HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO GO TO THEIR PRECINCT AND I DON'T WANT TO CHANGE ANY PRECINCTS. WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO SAVE MONEY, BUT LET'S LEAVE EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS BECAUSE THE LAST THING I WANT IS EMAILS OR SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PLAY POLITICS UP HERE WITH THIS SEAT.

YOU KNOW IT. I KNOW WE'RE NOT DOING IT.

IF WE START COMBINING OR WHATEVER, THAT'S THE LOOK IT'S GOING TO GIVE. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN -- I WAS IN THAT SPECIAL ELECTION. THAT'S WHY I'M SITTING HERE.

ALL THOSE PRECINCTS IN DISTRICT 1 WERE OPEN.

PEOPLE WENT TO THEIR PRECINCTS TO VOTE.

LET'S LET EVERYBODY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE WHERE THEY NEED TO VOTE.

WHATEVER MS. MORRIS OR MR. CHESS OR MS. COX AND MS. WALKER CAN DO TO CUT SOME STUFF DOWN, THE COSTS TO PUT ON THIS ELECTION, LET'S DO IT.

AS FAR AS COMBINING PRECINCTS, I'LL BE A NO VOTE ON THAT.

THAT BOTHERS ME TO MY CORE ABOUT THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT.

>> OKAY.

>> IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE RESOLUTION AS IT STANDS?

>> I MOVE APPROVAL OF 25-R57.

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>> JOHNSON.